From lists at mediadog.com  Thu Oct  8 09:44:38 2009
From: lists at mediadog.com (Lorne)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 09:44:38 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] The Electric Heliotrope Theater
Message-ID: <4ACDECC6.6080908@mediadog.com>


Talking about Vimeo reminded me I've been meaning to post some videos of
my immersive interactive video project.  The basic idea is that I wanted
to be able to dance and generally interact with light. It currently is a
6x9' screen you stand in front of and control the visuals with your body
motion.  Here's a couple of videos of some early tests:

   http://vimeo.com/6895487
   http://vimeo.com/6894904

I'm premiering it at Playa Del Fuego in Delaware this weekend, a
regional Burning Man event.  I'd love to schedule a night to bring it to
the HacDC space, have folks play with it, and give a short talk on the tech.

For the immediately curious, it uses a rear-projection 720p HD projector
onto a spandex screen.  There are a number of IR floodlights behind the
participant, with the participant's screen shadow sensed by an IR camera
behind the screen with the projector so no contact is required.  Right
now it uses "vvvv" for both input processing and image generation.

I'm currently working on much more complex interaction modes that will
use additional software and need some more hardware hacking, for fast
LED-based IR lighting and 3D video input.  I'd love to get more folks
involved in this, as one of my main goals is to make this a true
"theater" in the sense that other people can create works for it, and
build their own.

Ciao!

- Lorne

P.S. - And yes, after this weekend I will finally have time to give that
intro robotics/3D talk as well if there's still interest!





From tedwards at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 15:11:16 2009
From: tedwards at gmail.com (Thomas Edwards)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:11:16 -0700
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] The Electric Heliotrope Theater
In-Reply-To: <4ACDECC6.6080908@mediadog.com>
References: <4ACDECC6.6080908@mediadog.com>
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Those are some awesome projects!

(Luckily, I always keep a pair on anaglyph glasses next to my work computer...)

-Thomas

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Lorne <lists at mediadog.com> wrote:
>
> Talking about Vimeo reminded me I've been meaning to post some videos of
> my immersive interactive video project. ?The basic idea is that I wanted
> to be able to dance and generally interact with light. It currently is a
> 6x9' screen you stand in front of and control the visuals with your body
> motion. ?Here's a couple of videos of some early tests:
>
> ? http://vimeo.com/6895487
> ? http://vimeo.com/6894904

From blchamberlain at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 16:04:13 2009
From: blchamberlain at gmail.com (Brian Chamberlain)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:04:13 -0500
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] The Electric Heliotrope Theater
In-Reply-To: <2fd1fa350910081211h1af6da89ma72dcbaa6b33a9ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ACDECC6.6080908@mediadog.com>
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Message-ID: <7833C2AE-0F07-4D81-A12C-9E93071789D8@gmail.com>

Yeah +1 to that! Nice work.

What do you use to analyze the video of the person in front of the  
screen? Is it difficult to turn the position of their arms into  
computable values for driving the 3d flyover?

-Brian

On Oct 8, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Thomas Edwards wrote:

> Those are some awesome projects!
>
> (Luckily, I always keep a pair on anaglyph glasses next to my work  
> computer...)
>
> -Thomas
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Lorne <lists at mediadog.com> wrote:
>>
>> Talking about Vimeo reminded me I've been meaning to post some  
>> videos of
>> my immersive interactive video project.  The basic idea is that I  
>> wanted
>> to be able to dance and generally interact with light. It currently  
>> is a
>> 6x9' screen you stand in front of and control the visuals with your  
>> body
>> motion.  Here's a couple of videos of some early tests:
>>
>>   http://vimeo.com/6895487
>>   http://vimeo.com/6894904
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From blchamberlain at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 16:15:10 2009
From: blchamberlain at gmail.com (Brian Chamberlain)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:15:10 -0500
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Digi xbee design contest
In-Reply-To: <2fd1fa350910081211h1af6da89ma72dcbaa6b33a9ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ACDECC6.6080908@mediadog.com>
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I thought this might be of interest to fellow Dorkbotters.

Digi (the creator of the XBee module which is based on the IEEE  
802.15.4 standard and the ZigBee Alliance specs) is having a design  
contest.

http://www.digi.com/designcontest/

The design contest is cool but what is even cooler is they have great  
deals on the starter kits. On the contest page the featured kits that  
are normally $299 are $149. And if you are a student you can get an  
additional $75 off bringing the cost of the iDigi X4 Starter kit (for  
example) from $299 to $74!!! Sweet!

  I just bought this kit http://www.digi.com/products/wirelessdropinnetworking/idigi-kits/x4-zb.jsp#overview 
  using my student discount and I can't wait for it to show up. I also  
picked up a few extra modules to play around with. Still looking for a  
cheap source for the breakout boards though... let me know if you know  
of any.

Cheers,
Brian

From lists at mediadog.com  Thu Oct  8 16:53:38 2009
From: lists at mediadog.com (Lorne Covington)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:53:38 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] =?windows-1252?q?Talking_Piano=85_=AB_adafrui?=
 =?windows-1252?q?t_industries_blog?=
Message-ID: <4ACE5152.7030307@mediadog.com>


A piano that speaks.  A real, physical piano:

http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2009/10/08/talking-piano/

I know you can decompose any sound into a spectrum of an arbitrary 
waveforms (FFTs use sines for obvious reasons), but this is pretty wild 
- converting the phonemes into keystrikes.

As the piano says, "A new world is possible".

Enjoy!

- Lorne



From lists at mediadog.com  Thu Oct  8 17:08:54 2009
From: lists at mediadog.com (Lorne Covington)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:08:54 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] The Electric Heliotrope Theater
In-Reply-To: <7833C2AE-0F07-4D81-A12C-9E93071789D8@gmail.com>
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	<7833C2AE-0F07-4D81-A12C-9E93071789D8@gmail.com>
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Thanks guys!  Actually, it is simple in practice, just took a while to 
get working right.  After the video is captured, I mask out the center 
area (the torso), and then use the openCV "contours" module to get the 
orientation of the two remaining "blobs" (arm shadows).  A small module 
looks at the differences of the two and converts them into X/Y joystick 
equivalent numbers.  In the video I only had X working, now you can fly 
up and down as well.  My goal is to incorporate other dimensions, but 
that will require the additional work I need to do.

I'll be putting up some vvvv example code for this next week and will 
drop a notice here when I do.

Thanks again!

- Lorne


Brian Chamberlain wrote:
> Yeah +1 to that! Nice work.
>
> What do you use to analyze the video of the person in front of the  
> screen? Is it difficult to turn the position of their arms into  
> computable values for driving the 3d flyover?
>
> -Brian
>
> On Oct 8, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Thomas Edwards wrote:
>
>   
>> Those are some awesome projects!
>>
>> (Luckily, I always keep a pair on anaglyph glasses next to my work  
>> computer...)
>>
>> -Thomas
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Lorne <lists at mediadog.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> Talking about Vimeo reminded me I've been meaning to post some  
>>> videos of
>>> my immersive interactive video project.  The basic idea is that I  
>>> wanted
>>> to be able to dance and generally interact with light. It currently  
>>> is a
>>> 6x9' screen you stand in front of and control the visuals with your  
>>> body
>>> motion.  Here's a couple of videos of some early tests:
>>>
>>>   http://vimeo.com/6895487
>>>   http://vimeo.com/6894904
>>>       
>> ........................................................................
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>> electricity.........
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From uknative at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 17:32:02 2009
From: uknative at gmail.com (Matt Chester)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:32:02 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Digi xbee design contest
In-Reply-To: <43AF3064-A4CE-46EF-9BDE-85628228CFE5@gmail.com>
References: <4ACDECC6.6080908@mediadog.com>
	<2fd1fa350910081211h1af6da89ma72dcbaa6b33a9ca@mail.gmail.com>
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Does anyone know how long this discount is good for?thanks,
Matt

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Brian Chamberlain
<blchamberlain at gmail.com>wrote:

> I thought this might be of interest to fellow Dorkbotters.
>
> Digi (the creator of the XBee module which is based on the IEEE
> 802.15.4 standard and the ZigBee Alliance specs) is having a design
> contest.
>
> http://www.digi.com/designcontest/
>
> The design contest is cool but what is even cooler is they have great
> deals on the starter kits. On the contest page the featured kits that
> are normally $299 are $149. And if you are a student you can get an
> additional $75 off bringing the cost of the iDigi X4 Starter kit (for
> example) from $299 to $74!!! Sweet!
>
>  I just bought this kit
> http://www.digi.com/products/wirelessdropinnetworking/idigi-kits/x4-zb.jsp#overview
>  using my student discount and I can't wait for it to show up. I also
> picked up a few extra modules to play around with. Still looking for a
> cheap source for the breakout boards though... let me know if you know
> of any.
>
> Cheers,
> Brian
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
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From blchamberlain at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 18:32:42 2009
From: blchamberlain at gmail.com (Brian Chamberlain)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:32:42 -0500
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Digi xbee design contest
In-Reply-To: <b60d2fde0910081432n1d9449dn9b19222e59d21a4f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ACDECC6.6080908@mediadog.com>
	<2fd1fa350910081211h1af6da89ma72dcbaa6b33a9ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<43AF3064-A4CE-46EF-9BDE-85628228CFE5@gmail.com>
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I'm not 100% certain but I guess it will run for the length of the
competition... so until March 2010.

-B

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Matt Chester <uknative at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know how long this discount is good for?thanks,
> Matt
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Brian Chamberlain <blchamberlain at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I thought this might be of interest to fellow Dorkbotters.
>>
>> Digi (the creator of the XBee module which is based on the IEEE
>> 802.15.4 standard and the ZigBee Alliance specs) is having a design
>> contest.
>>
>> http://www.digi.com/designcontest/
>>
>> The design contest is cool but what is even cooler is they have great
>> deals on the starter kits. On the contest page the featured kits that
>> are normally $299 are $149. And if you are a student you can get an
>> additional $75 off bringing the cost of the iDigi X4 Starter kit (for
>> example) from $299 to $74!!! Sweet!
>>
>>  I just bought this kit
>> http://www.digi.com/products/wirelessdropinnetworking/idigi-kits/x4-zb.jsp#overview
>>  using my student discount and I can't wait for it to show up. I also
>> picked up a few extra modules to play around with. Still looking for a
>> cheap source for the breakout boards though... let me know if you know
>> of any.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Brian
>> ........................................................................
>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>> ........................................................................
>>
>
>
> ........................................................................
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From uknative at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 18:52:52 2009
From: uknative at gmail.com (Matt Chester)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:52:52 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Digi xbee design contest
In-Reply-To: <27d16bdf0910081532k102ad45aq5387427506c41a68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ACDECC6.6080908@mediadog.com>
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	<43AF3064-A4CE-46EF-9BDE-85628228CFE5@gmail.com>
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I could'nt see anything. I'll be getting one next week as well.
Thanks for the heads up on this great deal.
Matt

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Brian Chamberlain
<blchamberlain at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm not 100% certain but I guess it will run for the length of the
> competition... so until March 2010.
>
> -B
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Matt Chester <uknative at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know how long this discount is good for?thanks,
>> Matt
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Brian Chamberlain <
>> blchamberlain at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought this might be of interest to fellow Dorkbotters.
>>>
>>> Digi (the creator of the XBee module which is based on the IEEE
>>> 802.15.4 standard and the ZigBee Alliance specs) is having a design
>>> contest.
>>>
>>> http://www.digi.com/designcontest/
>>>
>>> The design contest is cool but what is even cooler is they have great
>>> deals on the starter kits. On the contest page the featured kits that
>>> are normally $299 are $149. And if you are a student you can get an
>>> additional $75 off bringing the cost of the iDigi X4 Starter kit (for
>>> example) from $299 to $74!!! Sweet!
>>>
>>>  I just bought this kit
>>> http://www.digi.com/products/wirelessdropinnetworking/idigi-kits/x4-zb.jsp#overview
>>>  using my student discount and I can't wait for it to show up. I also
>>> picked up a few extra modules to play around with. Still looking for a
>>> cheap source for the breakout boards though... let me know if you know
>>> of any.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Brian
>>> ........................................................................
>>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>>> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
>>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>>> ........................................................................
>>>
>>
>>
>> ........................................................................
>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
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From q at theqlabs.com  Thu Oct  8 23:00:55 2009
From: q at theqlabs.com (Andrew Q Righter)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:00:55 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Digi xbee design contest
In-Reply-To: <b60d2fde0910081552x1f7b0f60j8abd4383f365c813@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ACDECC6.6080908@mediadog.com>
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	<b60d2fde0910081432n1d9449dn9b19222e59d21a4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<27d16bdf0910081532k102ad45aq5387427506c41a68@mail.gmail.com>
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Brilliant thanks man! Keep us in the loop about your work with it, sounds
interesting.

Cheers,

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Matt Chester <uknative at gmail.com> wrote:

> I could'nt see anything. I'll be getting one next week as well.
> Thanks for the heads up on this great deal.
> Matt
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Brian Chamberlain <blchamberlain at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I'm not 100% certain but I guess it will run for the length of the
>> competition... so until March 2010.
>>
>> -B
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Matt Chester <uknative at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know how long this discount is good for?thanks,
>>> Matt
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Brian Chamberlain <
>>> blchamberlain at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought this might be of interest to fellow Dorkbotters.
>>>>
>>>> Digi (the creator of the XBee module which is based on the IEEE
>>>> 802.15.4 standard and the ZigBee Alliance specs) is having a design
>>>> contest.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.digi.com/designcontest/
>>>>
>>>> The design contest is cool but what is even cooler is they have great
>>>> deals on the starter kits. On the contest page the featured kits that
>>>> are normally $299 are $149. And if you are a student you can get an
>>>> additional $75 off bringing the cost of the iDigi X4 Starter kit (for
>>>> example) from $299 to $74!!! Sweet!
>>>>
>>>>  I just bought this kit
>>>> http://www.digi.com/products/wirelessdropinnetworking/idigi-kits/x4-zb.jsp#overview
>>>>  using my student discount and I can't wait for it to show up. I also
>>>> picked up a few extra modules to play around with. Still looking for a
>>>> cheap source for the breakout boards though... let me know if you know
>>>> of any.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Brian
>>>> ........................................................................
>>>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>>>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc.......................
>>>> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
>>>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>>>> ........................................................................
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ........................................................................
>>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
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>>
>>
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>
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From alberto.gaitan at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 23:24:54 2009
From: alberto.gaitan at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alberto_Gait=E1n?=)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:24:54 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] ISO electric bell clangers or somesuch
Message-ID: <4ACEAD06.4090500@gmail.com>

I need up to 5 electric bell clanger/solenoid assemblies in working
order for a new project. The bigger, the better. Anyone know where I can
find some cheap/salvage?

I also need a multi-effects box of some sort, preferably one that's
controllable via MIDI.

Lastly, I'm looking for an able human that's willing to help me install
a sound installation late next week (solder several jacks and piezos on
several cables, run the cable). The site is in Georgetown.

Thanks for any help!

Alberto








From bjepson at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 09:05:58 2009
From: bjepson at gmail.com (Brian Jepson)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:05:58 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Digi xbee design contest
In-Reply-To: <43AF3064-A4CE-46EF-9BDE-85628228CFE5@gmail.com>
References: <4ACDECC6.6080908@mediadog.com>
	<2fd1fa350910081211h1af6da89ma72dcbaa6b33a9ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<43AF3064-A4CE-46EF-9BDE-85628228CFE5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CA5EA6A-7540-411B-A859-20837EA27732@gmail.com>


On Oct 8, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Brian Chamberlain wrote:

> I also
> picked up a few extra modules to play around with. Still looking for a
> cheap source for the breakout boards though... let me know if you know
> of any.

I've used the SparkFun breakout boards ($3); you'll need to buy some  
breakaway headers and 2mm sockets and solder them onto the board:

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8276

But I also like the XBee Explorer USB ($25):

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8687

Cheers,

Brian

From blchamberlain at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 11:08:22 2009
From: blchamberlain at gmail.com (Brian Chamberlain)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:08:22 -0500
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Digi xbee design contest
In-Reply-To: <8CA5EA6A-7540-411B-A859-20837EA27732@gmail.com>
References: <4ACDECC6.6080908@mediadog.com>
	<2fd1fa350910081211h1af6da89ma72dcbaa6b33a9ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<43AF3064-A4CE-46EF-9BDE-85628228CFE5@gmail.com>
	<8CA5EA6A-7540-411B-A859-20837EA27732@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27d16bdf0910090808l488bf208x5ea4f5921a595c0@mail.gmail.com>

Cool tip. I bought one of each.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Brian Jepson <bjepson at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Oct 8, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Brian Chamberlain wrote:
>
> > I also
> > picked up a few extra modules to play around with. Still looking for a
> > cheap source for the breakout boards though... let me know if you know
> > of any.
>
> I've used the SparkFun breakout boards ($3); you'll need to buy some
> breakaway headers and 2mm sockets and solder them onto the board:
>
> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8276
>
> But I also like the XBee Explorer USB ($25):
>
> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8687
>
> Cheers,
>
> Brian
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
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From garethbranwyn at comcast.net  Mon Oct 12 18:12:46 2009
From: garethbranwyn at comcast.net (Gareth Branwyn)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:12:46 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Toolbox: Maker Sartorial
Message-ID: <F9C105EB-17EC-46A1-88A1-E00F12DC6A94@comcast.net>

Most-esteemed fellow Dorkage,

For my next MAKE Toolbox column, the theme is "Maker Sartorial,"  
clothing that makers like to wear (tactical pants, workshirts,  
workboots, etc.), geek utility belts (multitools, phone holsters,  
etc), pens and paper PDAs, and other wearables optimized for doing work.

I've found that geeks (in general) are pretty particular about what  
they wear and carry. I, for example, hate shirts without pockets,  
including T-shirts and always try and make sure I have a shirt pocket  
to carry my mini-Moleskine and my Varsity disposable fountain pen.

Are there specific things you carry or wear that are part of your  
identity as a maker? Special shirts or pants? Things you carry on your  
belt? Special notebooks or pens/pencils you carry to record your  
ideas, etc.

Please send me your ideas.

Cheers,

Gareth



From q at theqlabs.com  Tue Oct 13 09:15:46 2009
From: q at theqlabs.com (Andrew Q Righter)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:15:46 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Visualizing RFID
Message-ID: <ac1f15a80910130615u138cac7dudfceac5a00a33f37@mail.gmail.com>

Found this absolutely brilliant:
http://berglondon.com/blog/2009/10/12/the-ghost-in-the-field/

I think many of you would dig this as well, anyone wanna try it out? I have
the RFID gear, not so much the photog stuff.

-- 

        Andrew Q Righter
        (310) 734-8308
        q at theqlabs.com

    Q Labs | HacDC | Onisius
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From jason.schlauch at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 09:25:14 2009
From: jason.schlauch at gmail.com (Jason Schlauch)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:25:14 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Toolbox: Maker Sartorial
In-Reply-To: <F9C105EB-17EC-46A1-88A1-E00F12DC6A94@comcast.net>
References: <F9C105EB-17EC-46A1-88A1-E00F12DC6A94@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <a7c732710910130625o1570e7cfu37a31cd9f3c43afc@mail.gmail.com>

I'm still on the Holy Grail quest to find the perfect man bag.  I've
come one step closer with my recent acquisition of the M-51 Engineer's
Field and Laptop Bag (available from various sellers on Amazon -- do a
search for it to find the best deal).  It has on the order of two
dozen pockets of various sizes that hold and organize my flashlight,
multi-tools, cables, business cards, notebooks, pens, iPod, phone,
magazines, mail and other actionable documents, contact solution, and
Thinkpad.  And I still have a few compartments that are empty.

I also have a "thing" for pens.  Here are the highlights of what I use:

Sharpie Magnum (for large scale redacting and sign making)
Sharpie "Standard" Fine Point Markers
Sharpie Roller Ball Pen (I have no idea where I got this -- it maybe
re-branded and sold as something else now)
The new Sharpie Pen (very fine point felt tip pen)
Marvy Uchida le Pen (in both black and grey) (ultra-fine 0.3mm felt
tip pen, good for Moleskine diagrams).
Sakura Glaze Pen (rollerball that writes with raised ink -- sort of a
novelty pen)
Varsity disposable fountain pen (which I like save for the fact that
the ink isn't waterproof)
Post-It Flag Marker (a standard felt tip with a page flag dispenser on
the end -- for flagging and annotating magazines, mostly)
Signo uni-ball pen (general purpose roller ball)
Paper Mate Ball Point Pens (because sometimes you just need a pen)

As far as wearables go (and no, I don't walk around wearing these all
day) I'm partial to Mechanix brand gloves -- specifically the "Light
Utility" glove, size medium.  They're a world apart from the "one size
fits Andre The Giant" leather gloves you typically see.  They come in
a wide variety of well fitting, purpose designed styles from highly
impact resistant pit crew gloves to a "framers" glove that leaves two
fingers exposed so you can easily handle nails and nail gun triggers.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Gareth Branwyn
<garethbranwyn at comcast.net> wrote:
> Most-esteemed fellow Dorkage,
>
> For my next MAKE Toolbox column, the theme is "Maker Sartorial,"
> clothing that makers like to wear (tactical pants, workshirts,
> workboots, etc.), geek utility belts (multitools, phone holsters,
> etc), pens and paper PDAs, and other wearables optimized for doing work.
>
> I've found that geeks (in general) are pretty particular about what
> they wear and carry. I, for example, hate shirts without pockets,
> including T-shirts and always try and make sure I have a shirt pocket
> to carry my mini-Moleskine and my Varsity disposable fountain pen.
>
> Are there specific things you carry or wear that are part of your
> identity as a maker? Special shirts or pants? Things you carry on your
> belt? Special notebooks or pens/pencils you carry to record your
> ideas, etc.
>
> Please send me your ideas.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gareth
>
>
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> ........................................................................
>

From jeff at jumpstartlab.com  Tue Oct 13 09:54:47 2009
From: jeff at jumpstartlab.com (Jeff Casimir)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:54:47 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Toolbox: Maker Sartorial
In-Reply-To: <a7c732710910130625o1570e7cfu37a31cd9f3c43afc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F9C105EB-17EC-46A1-88A1-E00F12DC6A94@comcast.net> 
	<a7c732710910130625o1570e7cfu37a31cd9f3c43afc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70dad9df0910130654u75850219u517f37d5234ddc15@mail.gmail.com>

Gareth,

I'm partial to Ben Davis workwear: short-sleeve shirts, long-sleeve
shirts, and pants.  The website is pretty bootleg, but they can also
be found in stores in CA (esp. SF).

- Jeff

---
Jeff Casimir
Jumpstart Lab by Casimir Creative, LLC
http://jumpstartlab.com
@jumpstartlab on twitter
Rails Jumpstart - Oct 31 & Nov 1 - Intro to Ruby on Rails
SQL Jumpstart - Nov 14 & 15 - Intro to Database Design and SQL
WebDev Jumpstart - Dec 5 & 6 - Beginning HTML & CSS for Web Design



On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Jason Schlauch
<jason.schlauch at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm still on the Holy Grail quest to find the perfect man bag. ?I've
> come one step closer with my recent acquisition of the M-51 Engineer's
> Field and Laptop Bag (available from various sellers on Amazon -- do a
> search for it to find the best deal). ?It has on the order of two
> dozen pockets of various sizes that hold and organize my flashlight,
> multi-tools, cables, business cards, notebooks, pens, iPod, phone,
> magazines, mail and other actionable documents, contact solution, and
> Thinkpad. ?And I still have a few compartments that are empty.
>
> I also have a "thing" for pens. ?Here are the highlights of what I use:
>
> Sharpie Magnum (for large scale redacting and sign making)
> Sharpie "Standard" Fine Point Markers
> Sharpie Roller Ball Pen (I have no idea where I got this -- it maybe
> re-branded and sold as something else now)
> The new Sharpie Pen (very fine point felt tip pen)
> Marvy Uchida le Pen (in both black and grey) (ultra-fine 0.3mm felt
> tip pen, good for Moleskine diagrams).
> Sakura Glaze Pen (rollerball that writes with raised ink -- sort of a
> novelty pen)
> Varsity disposable fountain pen (which I like save for the fact that
> the ink isn't waterproof)
> Post-It Flag Marker (a standard felt tip with a page flag dispenser on
> the end -- for flagging and annotating magazines, mostly)
> Signo uni-ball pen (general purpose roller ball)
> Paper Mate Ball Point Pens (because sometimes you just need a pen)
>
> As far as wearables go (and no, I don't walk around wearing these all
> day) I'm partial to Mechanix brand gloves -- specifically the "Light
> Utility" glove, size medium. ?They're a world apart from the "one size
> fits Andre The Giant" leather gloves you typically see. ?They come in
> a wide variety of well fitting, purpose designed styles from highly
> impact resistant pit crew gloves to a "framers" glove that leaves two
> fingers exposed so you can easily handle nails and nail gun triggers.
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Gareth Branwyn
> <garethbranwyn at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Most-esteemed fellow Dorkage,
>>
>> For my next MAKE Toolbox column, the theme is "Maker Sartorial,"
>> clothing that makers like to wear (tactical pants, workshirts,
>> workboots, etc.), geek utility belts (multitools, phone holsters,
>> etc), pens and paper PDAs, and other wearables optimized for doing work.
>>
>> I've found that geeks (in general) are pretty particular about what
>> they wear and carry. I, for example, hate shirts without pockets,
>> including T-shirts and always try and make sure I have a shirt pocket
>> to carry my mini-Moleskine and my Varsity disposable fountain pen.
>>
>> Are there specific things you carry or wear that are part of your
>> identity as a maker? Special shirts or pants? Things you carry on your
>> belt? Special notebooks or pens/pencils you carry to record your
>> ideas, etc.
>>
>> Please send me your ideas.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Gareth
>>
>>
>> ........................................................................
>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>> ........................................................................
>>
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> ........................................................................
>

From nathan.hoobler at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 10:07:51 2009
From: nathan.hoobler at gmail.com (Nathan Hoobler)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:07:51 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Toolbox: Maker Sartorial
In-Reply-To: <a7c732710910130625o1570e7cfu37a31cd9f3c43afc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F9C105EB-17EC-46A1-88A1-E00F12DC6A94@comcast.net>
	<a7c732710910130625o1570e7cfu37a31cd9f3c43afc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9da888560910130707g65deddc5s12f4f73d48f943fa@mail.gmail.com>

Seconding the M-51 bag. It's not quite ideal (it's missing a few
pocket sizes I'd really like, and has some I have trouble finding a
good use for) but it's pretty darn versatile and wears like a heavy
duty canvas tank.

I've actually thought about 'modding' mine (running headphones/a
built-in USB charger/minty boost, etc) but I'm not sure exactly what
I'd want to do. From what I understand, the M-51 is pretty popular in
general -- this might be an interesting separate thread of discussion.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Jason Schlauch
<jason.schlauch at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm still on the Holy Grail quest to find the perfect man bag. ?I've
> come one step closer with my recent acquisition of the M-51 Engineer's
> Field and Laptop Bag (available from various sellers on Amazon -- do a
> search for it to find the best deal). ?It has on the order of two
> dozen pockets of various sizes that hold and organize my flashlight,
> multi-tools, cables, business cards, notebooks, pens, iPod, phone,
> magazines, mail and other actionable documents, contact solution, and
> Thinkpad. ?And I still have a few compartments that are empty.
>
> I also have a "thing" for pens. ?Here are the highlights of what I use:
>
> Sharpie Magnum (for large scale redacting and sign making)
> Sharpie "Standard" Fine Point Markers
> Sharpie Roller Ball Pen (I have no idea where I got this -- it maybe
> re-branded and sold as something else now)
> The new Sharpie Pen (very fine point felt tip pen)
> Marvy Uchida le Pen (in both black and grey) (ultra-fine 0.3mm felt
> tip pen, good for Moleskine diagrams).
> Sakura Glaze Pen (rollerball that writes with raised ink -- sort of a
> novelty pen)
> Varsity disposable fountain pen (which I like save for the fact that
> the ink isn't waterproof)
> Post-It Flag Marker (a standard felt tip with a page flag dispenser on
> the end -- for flagging and annotating magazines, mostly)
> Signo uni-ball pen (general purpose roller ball)
> Paper Mate Ball Point Pens (because sometimes you just need a pen)
>
> As far as wearables go (and no, I don't walk around wearing these all
> day) I'm partial to Mechanix brand gloves -- specifically the "Light
> Utility" glove, size medium. ?They're a world apart from the "one size
> fits Andre The Giant" leather gloves you typically see. ?They come in
> a wide variety of well fitting, purpose designed styles from highly
> impact resistant pit crew gloves to a "framers" glove that leaves two
> fingers exposed so you can easily handle nails and nail gun triggers.
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Gareth Branwyn
> <garethbranwyn at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Most-esteemed fellow Dorkage,
>>
>> For my next MAKE Toolbox column, the theme is "Maker Sartorial,"
>> clothing that makers like to wear (tactical pants, workshirts,
>> workboots, etc.), geek utility belts (multitools, phone holsters,
>> etc), pens and paper PDAs, and other wearables optimized for doing work.
>>
>> I've found that geeks (in general) are pretty particular about what
>> they wear and carry. I, for example, hate shirts without pockets,
>> including T-shirts and always try and make sure I have a shirt pocket
>> to carry my mini-Moleskine and my Varsity disposable fountain pen.
>>
>> Are there specific things you carry or wear that are part of your
>> identity as a maker? Special shirts or pants? Things you carry on your
>> belt? Special notebooks or pens/pencils you carry to record your
>> ideas, etc.
>>
>> Please send me your ideas.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Gareth
>>
>>
>> ........................................................................
>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>> ........................................................................
>>
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> ........................................................................
>

From alden08 at harts.org  Tue Oct 13 10:32:26 2009
From: alden08 at harts.org (Alden Hart)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:32:26 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Toolbox: Maker Sartorial
In-Reply-To: <9da888560910130707g65deddc5s12f4f73d48f943fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F9C105EB-17EC-46A1-88A1-E00F12DC6A94@comcast.net>	<a7c732710910130625o1570e7cfu37a31cd9f3c43afc@mail.gmail.com>
	<9da888560910130707g65deddc5s12f4f73d48f943fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD48F7A.6090003@harts.org>

There's nothing that shouts GEEK like a classic Hartman Zip Top Brief. 
Designed over 100 years ago with the notebook audience in mind, it 
accommodates a Macbook 17", has a pocket that perfectly fits an iPhone, 
and has loops for three of your favorite pens, whatever they might be. 
Best yet, when you zip the top closed nobody would ever believe you are 
carrying a computer in it.

Alden



Nathan Hoobler wrote:
> Seconding the M-51 bag. It's not quite ideal (it's missing a few
> pocket sizes I'd really like, and has some I have trouble finding a
> good use for) but it's pretty darn versatile and wears like a heavy
> duty canvas tank.
>
> I've actually thought about 'modding' mine (running headphones/a
> built-in USB charger/minty boost, etc) but I'm not sure exactly what
> I'd want to do. From what I understand, the M-51 is pretty popular in
> general -- this might be an interesting separate thread of discussion.
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Jason Schlauch
> <jason.schlauch at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> I'm still on the Holy Grail quest to find the perfect man bag.  I've
>> come one step closer with my recent acquisition of the M-51 Engineer's
>> Field and Laptop Bag (available from various sellers on Amazon -- do a
>> search for it to find the best deal).  It has on the order of two
>> dozen pockets of various sizes that hold and organize my flashlight,
>> multi-tools, cables, business cards, notebooks, pens, iPod, phone,
>> magazines, mail and other actionable documents, contact solution, and
>> Thinkpad.  And I still have a few compartments that are empty.
>>
>> I also have a "thing" for pens.  Here are the highlights of what I use:
>>
>> Sharpie Magnum (for large scale redacting and sign making)
>> Sharpie "Standard" Fine Point Markers
>> Sharpie Roller Ball Pen (I have no idea where I got this -- it maybe
>> re-branded and sold as something else now)
>> The new Sharpie Pen (very fine point felt tip pen)
>> Marvy Uchida le Pen (in both black and grey) (ultra-fine 0.3mm felt
>> tip pen, good for Moleskine diagrams).
>> Sakura Glaze Pen (rollerball that writes with raised ink -- sort of a
>> novelty pen)
>> Varsity disposable fountain pen (which I like save for the fact that
>> the ink isn't waterproof)
>> Post-It Flag Marker (a standard felt tip with a page flag dispenser on
>> the end -- for flagging and annotating magazines, mostly)
>> Signo uni-ball pen (general purpose roller ball)
>> Paper Mate Ball Point Pens (because sometimes you just need a pen)
>>
>> As far as wearables go (and no, I don't walk around wearing these all
>> day) I'm partial to Mechanix brand gloves -- specifically the "Light
>> Utility" glove, size medium.  They're a world apart from the "one size
>> fits Andre The Giant" leather gloves you typically see.  They come in
>> a wide variety of well fitting, purpose designed styles from highly
>> impact resistant pit crew gloves to a "framers" glove that leaves two
>> fingers exposed so you can easily handle nails and nail gun triggers.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Gareth Branwyn
>> <garethbranwyn at comcast.net> wrote:
>>     
>>> Most-esteemed fellow Dorkage,
>>>
>>> For my next MAKE Toolbox column, the theme is "Maker Sartorial,"
>>> clothing that makers like to wear (tactical pants, workshirts,
>>> workboots, etc.), geek utility belts (multitools, phone holsters,
>>> etc), pens and paper PDAs, and other wearables optimized for doing work.
>>>
>>> I've found that geeks (in general) are pretty particular about what
>>> they wear and carry. I, for example, hate shirts without pockets,
>>> including T-shirts and always try and make sure I have a shirt pocket
>>> to carry my mini-Moleskine and my Varsity disposable fountain pen.
>>>
>>> Are there specific things you carry or wear that are part of your
>>> identity as a maker? Special shirts or pants? Things you carry on your
>>> belt? Special notebooks or pens/pencils you carry to record your
>>> ideas, etc.
>>>
>>> Please send me your ideas.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Gareth
>>>
>>>
>>> ........................................................................
>>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>>> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
>>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>>> ........................................................................
>>>
>>>       
>> ........................................................................
>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>> ........................................................................
>>
>>     
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> ........................................................................
>
>   


From briandolge at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 13 11:33:39 2009
From: briandolge at yahoo.com (Brian Dolge)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:33:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Maker Sartorial
Message-ID: <991990.57772.qm@web52508.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I am addicted to cargo pants.? I carry a Victorinox SwissChamp and an old school leatherman on my belt, but most of my kit goes in those 4 big pockets.? Thats moleskine notebook, reading glasses, pen, wallet, business card holder, keyring (with flashlight, flashdrive, and measuring tape), hankie, cellphone, ipod, assorted pocket litter.? I tend to hand carry books or laptops.? I am not a fan of the man purse (murse?) when I need lots of mobility with lots of gear I use a backpack.? I have gotten away with black and Kackie(sp?) cargo pants in a business casual settings.? People tend to look at your shirt and shoes and just assume your pants are regular long pants.


      
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From dan.r.barlow at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 13:00:54 2009
From: dan.r.barlow at gmail.com (Dan Barlow)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:00:54 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Toolbox: Maker Sartorial
In-Reply-To: <4AD48F7A.6090003@harts.org>
References: <F9C105EB-17EC-46A1-88A1-E00F12DC6A94@comcast.net>
	<a7c732710910130625o1570e7cfu37a31cd9f3c43afc@mail.gmail.com>
	<9da888560910130707g65deddc5s12f4f73d48f943fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD48F7A.6090003@harts.org>
Message-ID: <b567628b0910131000u5168ffbyb69b14ffc5a95338@mail.gmail.com>

Nothing shouts "GEEK!" like a pair of laser protection goggles from
Spektronika in Bulgaria.  Whether it's the Dr. Horrible over-the-hair
look or the unique dichroic reflections when actually worn, laser
goggles' geek points make lesser geeks go "no fair!"

http://www.bobdbob.com/~tjohnson/lab/20050828/pict0019.jpg
(look in the mirror, Tommy is lurking.)
-Dan Barlow

From alden08 at harts.org  Tue Oct 13 13:16:37 2009
From: alden08 at harts.org (Alden Hart)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:16:37 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Toolbox: Maker Sartorial
In-Reply-To: <b567628b0910131000u5168ffbyb69b14ffc5a95338@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F9C105EB-17EC-46A1-88A1-E00F12DC6A94@comcast.net>	<a7c732710910130625o1570e7cfu37a31cd9f3c43afc@mail.gmail.com>	<9da888560910130707g65deddc5s12f4f73d48f943fa@mail.gmail.com>	<4AD48F7A.6090003@harts.org>
	<b567628b0910131000u5168ffbyb69b14ffc5a95338@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD4B5F5.1030505@harts.org>

Righto. The goggles and the brief case and a white lab coat and you've 
got the Simpson's scientist look. The goggles trump the brief case, I admit.

Alden


Dan Barlow wrote:
> Nothing shouts "GEEK!" like a pair of laser protection goggles from
> Spektronika in Bulgaria.  Whether it's the Dr. Horrible over-the-hair
> look or the unique dichroic reflections when actually worn, laser
> goggles' geek points make lesser geeks go "no fair!"
>
> http://www.bobdbob.com/~tjohnson/lab/20050828/pict0019.jpg
> (look in the mirror, Tommy is lurking.)
> -Dan Barlow
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> ........................................................................
>
>   


From garethbranwyn at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 18:05:22 2009
From: garethbranwyn at comcast.net (Gareth Branwyn)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:05:22 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Windows CE Embedded guru?
Message-ID: <E7551184-B1D8-4764-88F4-4CB87EFAAF1B@comcast.net>

Is anyone here knowledgeable about WinCE Embedded and using it in  
hardware applications such as robotics and wearable computing? Or do  
you know someone who is?  If so, please email me offlist (gareth at makezine.com 
) ASAP.

Thanks!

Gareth

From uknative at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 19:06:39 2009
From: uknative at gmail.com (Matt Chester)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:06:39 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] new guy question
Message-ID: <b60d2fde0910141606r6294ad1bn49fee2aa3357d927@mail.gmail.com>

Okay I apologize ahead of time if this is not the right place to ask or if
the answer was somewhere I did'nt look.
I just moved to the DC area and was wondering if
there was a parts swap/trade service set-up.
Just curious.
Thanks,
Matt
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From alberto.gaitan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 23:15:06 2009
From: alberto.gaitan at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alberto_Gait=E1n?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:15:06 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] new guy question
In-Reply-To: <b60d2fde0910141606r6294ad1bn49fee2aa3357d927@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b60d2fde0910141606r6294ad1bn49fee2aa3357d927@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD693BA.3020603@gmail.com>

Hello, new guy. :)

Welcome, Matt. I know of no service per se. There are also occasional
scheduled and informal swap meets as well as ham fests and computer
shows. Why not post a list of what you have to trade on this DorkbotDC
list and the HacDC list (see below) and see what others have in return.

The HacDC blabber list is at: http://www.hacdc.org/mailman/listinfo/blabber

Hope this helps, if not, let me know how else I can get you connected to
the community.

Cheers!

Alberto Gait?n
Co-Overlord (with Gareth Branwyn), DorkbotDC



On 10/14/09 7:06 PM, Matt Chester wrote:
> Okay I apologize ahead of time if this is not the right place to 
> ask or if the answer was somewhere I did'nt look. 
> I just moved to the DC area and was wondering if
> there was a parts swap/trade service set-up.
> Just curious. 
> Thanks, 
> Matt 
> 
> 

From fredrik.nyman at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 20:51:46 2009
From: fredrik.nyman at gmail.com (Fredrik Nyman)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:51:46 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] new guy question
In-Reply-To: <4AD693BA.3020603@gmail.com>
References: <b60d2fde0910141606r6294ad1bn49fee2aa3357d927@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD693BA.3020603@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e97c91bb0910151751w186be632v3f1c123c6e6928d6@mail.gmail.com>

Last I went to a computer show, it was just table after table after
table of mostly the same PC/Mac stuff.  Nothing I couldn't find at
Microcenter, and not really any cheaper than Microcenter either.  So
what did I miss; are there secret tables for microcontrollers,
electronics components and the like?  Or do I just need to know the
secret handshake? :-)

Any recommendations for hamfests worth visiting in this area?

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Alberto Gait?n
<alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello, new guy. :)
>
> Welcome, Matt. I know of no service per se. There are also occasional
> scheduled and informal swap meets as well as ham fests and computer
> shows. Why not post a list of what you have to trade on this DorkbotDC
> list and the HacDC list (see below) and see what others have in return.
>
> The HacDC blabber list is at: http://www.hacdc.org/mailman/listinfo/blabber
>
> Hope this helps, if not, let me know how else I can get you connected to
> the community.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Alberto Gait?n
> Co-Overlord (with Gareth Branwyn), DorkbotDC
>
>
>
> On 10/14/09 7:06 PM, Matt Chester wrote:
>> Okay I apologize ahead of time if this is not the right place to
>> ask or if the answer was somewhere I did'nt look.
>> I just moved to the DC area and was wondering if
>> there was a parts swap/trade service set-up.
>> Just curious.
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
>>
>>
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> ........................................................................
>

From alberto.gaitan at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 08:32:51 2009
From: alberto.gaitan at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alberto_Gait=E1n?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:32:51 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Needed: 100 ft of shielded mic cable
Message-ID: <4AD867F3.7060105@gmail.com>

Hiya,

Anyone know a local (DC metro area) source for shielded mic cable? I
need ~100ft and monoprice.com just informed me it'll be another week
before I receive the order I placed on Monday :(.

Thanks!

Alberto







From serge at wroclawski.org  Fri Oct 16 09:32:16 2009
From: serge at wroclawski.org (Serge Wroclawski)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:32:16 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Needed: 100 ft of shielded mic cable
In-Reply-To: <4AD867F3.7060105@gmail.com>
References: <4AD867F3.7060105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091016133216.GA28589@goblox.emacsen.net>

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 08:32:51AM -0400, Alberto Gait?n wrote:
> Hiya,
> 
> Anyone know a local (DC metro area) source for shielded mic cable? I
> need ~100ft and monoprice.com just informed me it'll be another week
> before I receive the order I placed on Monday :(.

Have you tried Capital Cable in Gaithersburg?

- Serge

From dan.r.barlow at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 13:57:05 2009
From: dan.r.barlow at gmail.com (Dan Barlow)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:57:05 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] new guy question
In-Reply-To: <e97c91bb0910151751w186be632v3f1c123c6e6928d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b60d2fde0910141606r6294ad1bn49fee2aa3357d927@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD693BA.3020603@gmail.com>
	<e97c91bb0910151751w186be632v3f1c123c6e6928d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b567628b0910161057m37317e27u2d64f32673c1d552@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Fredrik Nyman <fredrik.nyman at gmail.com> wrote:
> what did I miss; are there secret tables for microcontrollers,
> electronics components and the like? ?Or do I just need to know the
> secret handshake? :-)

You missed the era when they were for dumping outdated inventory.
There used to be real deals on still-usable stuff.
Now it's mostly a ripoff.

> Any recommendations for hamfests worth visiting in this area?

Yes, go here and do the search.  There are cool things at every one
I've been to.
Highlights are frostfest and winterfest coming up soonish.
http://www.arrl.org/hamfests.html
I'll usually post about it on hacdc's blabber list.
-Dan Barlow

From ktopping1 at juno.com  Fri Oct 16 13:57:20 2009
From: ktopping1 at juno.com (ktopping1 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:57:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Juno Auto Response. Re: dorkbotdc-blabber
	Digest, Vol 40, Issue 5
Message-ID: <AABFPTPAAA2VP5B2@maildeliver01.dca.untd.com>

I will not be by a computer today (10-15-09) - Please - you must call me on my cell phone if you need something.  Thanks, Karen

From tim at slagle.org  Sat Oct 17 22:34:41 2009
From: tim at slagle.org (Tim Slagle)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:34:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Moleskine knock-offs at Borders
Message-ID: <576009.7353.qm@web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I was just at my local Border's and found their Piccadilly-brand Moleskine knockoffs were on their clearance shelves on the way into the store.  I bought three hardcover 7.5x10" 240 pg. graph paper notebooks for $12, less than the price of one similar Moleskine.  The seem okay and have the bookmark ribbon, elastic band, and back pocket like the Moleskines.  They also had medium and small sizes and lined and blank books on the same buy-two-get-one-free deal.  The 5mm square grid pattern is a little dark for me but it's hard to beat the price for a bound notebook.

Some links:
  http://blackcover.net/?p=30
  http://piccadillyinc.com/products_notebooks.php
--Tim

From q at theqlabs.com  Sat Oct 17 22:53:05 2009
From: q at theqlabs.com (Andrew Q Righter)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:53:05 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] [HacDC:Blabber] Moleskine knock-offs at
	Borders
In-Reply-To: <576009.7353.qm@web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <576009.7353.qm@web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ac1f15a80910171953ia2bfd4bueedcd099d98e34b8@mail.gmail.com>

Wow nice find! :D I've always hated the price of Moleskine's.

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Tim Slagle <tim at slagle.org> wrote:

> I was just at my local Border's and found their Piccadilly-brand Moleskine
> knockoffs were on their clearance shelves on the way into the store.  I
> bought three hardcover 7.5x10" 240 pg. graph paper notebooks for $12, less
> than the price of one similar Moleskine.  The seem okay and have the
> bookmark ribbon, elastic band, and back pocket like the Moleskines.  They
> also had medium and small sizes and lined and blank books on the same
> buy-two-get-one-free deal.  The 5mm square grid pattern is a little dark for
> me but it's hard to beat the price for a bound notebook.
>
> Some links:
>  http://blackcover.net/?p=30
>  http://piccadillyinc.com/products_notebooks.php
> --Tim
> --
> Blabber mailing list
> Blabber at hacdc.org
> http://www.hacdc.org/mailman/listinfo/blabber
>



-- 

        Andrew Q Righter
        (310) 734-8308
        q at theqlabs.com

    Q Labs | HacDC | Onisius
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From alberto.gaitan at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 09:36:36 2009
From: alberto.gaitan at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alberto_Gait=E1n?=)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:36:36 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Repositories for builders/makers
Message-ID: <4ADB19E4.7010902@gmail.com>

We've been discussing source code management on the HacDC site. I'm
interested in similar initiatives for hardware.

Look at this new initiative from Adam Meyer at RISD: http://bildr.org/

It looks like a superset to community tools like

http://www.sketchpatch.net/ for Processing

and

http://fritzing.org/ for Arduino

Anyone have pointers to others?


-- Alberto



From mo at ccr.org  Sun Oct 18 13:15:35 2009
From: mo at ccr.org (Mike O'Dell)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:15:35 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] Repositories for builders/makers
In-Reply-To: <4ADB19E4.7010902@gmail.com>
References: <4ADB19E4.7010902@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ADB4D37.2050504@ccr.org>

bildr looks like an interesting idea if one were
starting from scratch, but that's hardly a viable approach.
i say that because if one goes back 25-35 years, the same pictures
can be seen in a large number of software engineering conference
papers. In fact, one of the original ARPAnet projects was to
be the "National Sofware Works", and it would seem eerily
familiar except they didn't have Powerpoint or great animations.

once when i created a similarly-grandiose plan for a project,
a very wise man counseled me thusly:

	"You don't have to boil the ocean
	 if all you want is a poached fish."

Brian Berliner worked for me at Prisma Computer when he first
built CVS, which is still used for over 100,000 software projects
in spite of what Linus thinks of it.  I mention it not because
i'm peddling it, but because of the approach it takes, which is
not "how much can you do?" but "how little can you get away with?"
it's a good example of what I call the 80/20 rule - you get 80%
of the maximum value by doing only 20% of the work.

the important question is whether the goal is to create the
source code management system, or to create other things
using the source code management system?  i suspect this is
the problem which will be the downfall of bildr no matter
how attractive the idea. people that want to hack source code
management systems are incredibly rare compared to the people who
which to use a source code management system as a tool to
hack something else.

my suggestion is to pick something that "just works", for some
definition of "works", and can be implemented in an afternoon,
and the *use it*.  if in real life it turns out to be grossly
inadequate, then it's probably worth trying some other available
system which also "just works".

	cheers,
	-mo




Alberto Gait?n wrote:
> We've been discussing source code management on the HacDC site. I'm
> interested in similar initiatives for hardware.
> 
> Look at this new initiative from Adam Meyer at RISD: http://bildr.org/
> 
> It looks like a superset to community tools like
> 
> http://www.sketchpatch.net/ for Processing
> 
> and
> 
> http://fritzing.org/ for Arduino
> 
> Anyone have pointers to others?
> 
> 
> -- Alberto
> 

From dp at danielpacker.org  Sun Oct 18 13:53:32 2009
From: dp at danielpacker.org (Daniel Packer)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:53:32 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] HacDC Lightning Talks, Tues., Nov. 17th @ 7:30PM
Message-ID: <6da7b18f0910181053h52e26c82pfb1f0b2c5c9a4c39@mail.gmail.com>

HacDC Lightning Talks bring together 12 hackers who will collectively
answer the question, "what do I feel like geeking out about today."
Each talk is 5 minutes long, and slides are optional. More
importantly, cookies will be served.

Tuesday, November 17th @ 7:30PM
St. Stephens Church (Sanctuary)
1525 Newton St. NW (corner of 16th St)

The last Lightning Talks packed the house and we had a blast with 12
awesome and eclectic talks - this time we have a larger space - so
bring along anyone who'd like to geek out with us. Visit the HacDC
Lightning Talks Wiki Page at
http://wiki.hacdc.org/index.php?title=LightningTalks

Topics can be anything of interest to the speaker. Speakers submit
their ideas for approval, and 12 topics are chosen for a given
session. Rejected topics may be resubmitted for any future session. To
submit a talk topic proposal, please email me a title and brief
description (if not self explanatory) at dp - at - danielpacker - dot
- org or say hello on #hacdc on freenode (my nick is obscurite).
There's a lot of interest this time around, so send your proposal in
sooner than later to guarantee your speaker spot.

Why would you want to do a lightning talk?

* To show off a project
* Let people know what you're into
* Get feedback on an idea
* Practice talking about a particular topic
* Practice public speaking in a nonthreatening way
* Find project contributors/volunteers/members

-Daniel (obscurite on #hacdc on freenode)

From lists at mediadog.com  Thu Oct 22 17:12:26 2009
From: lists at mediadog.com (Lorne)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:12:26 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] SOFAlab Nov. 5th
Message-ID: <4AE0CABA.1070607@mediadog.com>


SOFAlab Scientists Visualize / Artists Experiment

Thursday, November 5th, 2009 - 6pm reception, 7pm keynote address & panel

Carnegie Institute of Washington, 1530 P Street, NW, Washington, DC
FREE and Open to the Public

How and where do art and science - two seemingly disparate disciplines 
of intellectual inquiry - overlap? And, at that confluence, what can 
practitioners of both disciplines learn to expand their unique fields of 
knowledge and to affect consciousness?

SOFAlab's keynote speaker, Tod Machover - Professor of Music and Media 
at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Media Lab, the 
inventor of Hyperinstruments, a trained-Juilliard musician, and, the man 
Los Angeles Times deemed, "America's Most Wired Composer" - will bring 
his boundless knowledge of creative technology to the discussion. With 
each of Machover's innovations, such as his Hyperinstruments, 
Hyperscore, Brain Opera, Toy Symphony and MMH (Music, Mind and Health), 
he has intentionally explored the space where science and art collide 
and in doing so challenged traditional perceptions of both fields.

Expanding the discussion further, SOFAlab's panelists will include Maria 
Barbosa, Professor of Biology and a DC-based installation artist, 
Ernesto Barreto, Associate Professor in the Department of Physics & 
Astronomy and the Krasnow Institute for Advanced Study at George Mason 
University, and Brandon Morse, Professor of Digital Media at the 
University of Maryland and a DC-based video installation artist 
specializing in 3-D environments and animation software.

Funding was provided by the Center for Consciousness and Transformation, 
George Mason University, with support from Hamiltonian Artists, Smith 
Farm Center for Healing and the Arts, and the School of Art, George 
Mason University.

For more information please view the event website at: 
http://www.hamiltonianartists.org/sofalab



From jeff at jumpstartlab.com  Sat Oct 24 18:38:28 2009
From: jeff at jumpstartlab.com (Jeff Casimir)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:38:28 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] A Few Freebies (DC Power, Slingbox, 2F Cap,
	Mic Stand, Cables, PC A/V 	Cards, Polaroids, iPod Nano,
	Axim X3, Plastic Drawers)
Message-ID: <70dad9df0910241538k302d31d8we614b893e3fd188e@mail.gmail.com>

Dorks,

I am cleaning my office to become the baby room in January and I have
a few items to get rid of.  They all have some value, especially in
the right hands, but the whole craigslist or web-forum-plus-shipping
game just isn't worth it to me.

If you'd promise to do something cool with them (like, uhh, USE IT),
you can come get this stuff for free:

SlingBox and a SlingBox Pro.  One is older, one is newer.  The newer
one has the breakout for HD components.  Neither was ever hooked up,
some parts MIGHT be missing (IR relays, especially).

12V/10Amp Power Supply.  When I used to be into car electronics, this
powered my workbench.  It's awesome.  Normal hex heads for wires or a
cigarette-style plug for output, two-prong 120v input.

2F Capacitor with digital readout.  Please don't kill yourself with this.

Tabletop Mic stand.  This is kinda random.  It has a metal base,
vertical pole, then pivoting arm.  Would be great for some of your
projects!

1394 & USB Cables: Fistfulls of them available.

Video Cards -- one ATI PCI-E All-in-wonder HD (HDMI and component
output!), AGP GeForce 5500, PCI-E BFG 6600GTO.

Turtle Beach Montego PCI sound card with 5.1 and optical I/O

Polaroid camera and film.  Probably expired, no guarantees.

Dell Axim X3.  Last known good, years ago.

4GB black iPod Nano, LKG.

Wireless Phone Jack adapter (hardline to wireless)

PC Building odds & ends (cables, thumbscrews, etc)

A paper cutter (maybe you need it, hah!)

Two sets of plastic drawers, perfect for a hobby room.  One with
flat-but-wide drawers, one with more square drawers.

I'll probably be home the rest of the night and anytime after 12pm
tomorrow (Sunday).  We're at the corner of 5th and Hamilton St, NW.

Shoot me an email if you're interested in something, but since this is
a giveaway I'm not taking "dibs" -- first to show up takes it.  I am
going to impose a limit of 3 items per person.

I'd ask that if you take stuff and succeed in using it, you send me a
little pic and/or write a blog post about the project.

- Jeff

From alberto.gaitan at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 14:19:02 2009
From: alberto.gaitan at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alberto_Gait=E1n?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:19:02 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
Message-ID: <4AE73996.90608@gmail.com>

Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
(3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
would work nicely.

Thanks!

A

From mml at pobox.com  Tue Oct 27 14:22:23 2009
From: mml at pobox.com (Matt Liggett)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:22:23 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] [HacDC:Blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
In-Reply-To: <4AE73996.90608@gmail.com>
References: <4AE73996.90608@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d26fc8c0910271122v7ec336b7k8c8c1c06a1bdddb8@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n
<alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
> (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
> project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
> would work nicely.

Would Sonotube work?  It's generally easy to find.  A buddy made an
enormous subwoofer from one.

    http://www.sonotube.com/products/round_sizechart.html

 -Matt

From dorkbotdc at dorkbot.org  Tue Oct 27 14:35:18 2009
From: dorkbotdc at dorkbot.org (Dorkbot DC)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:35:18 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] [HacDC:Blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
In-Reply-To: <d26fc8c0910271122v7ec336b7k8c8c1c06a1bdddb8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AE73996.90608@gmail.com>
	<d26fc8c0910271122v7ec336b7k8c8c1c06a1bdddb8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE73D66.5020804@dorkbot.org>

It just might, Matt, thank you!

Alberto



On 10/27/09 2:22 PM, Matt Liggett wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n
> <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
>> (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
>> project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
>> would work nicely.
> 
> Would Sonotube work?  It's generally easy to find.  A buddy made an
> enormous subwoofer from one.
> 
>     http://www.sonotube.com/products/round_sizechart.html
> 
>  -Matt

From robominister at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 14:39:28 2009
From: robominister at gmail.com (Minister of Intelligence)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:39:28 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
In-Reply-To: <4AE73996.90608@gmail.com>
References: <4AE73996.90608@gmail.com>
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Hey! I'd like to second Alberto's request

- for obvious reasons I could use some similar tube.  ;  ))
 10 -16 inches for me.

I've tried Sonotube (found some at Home Depot!) But I really needed a metal,
or plastic surface.
Any other suggestions?

So Alberto, once you get it, how are you gonna cut it?
I've worked with 12 inch PVC in the past- and let's say, for me- getting a
smooth even cut was a challenge.


Carl Leonard
http://www.robotcast.com
Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.




On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>wrote:

> Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
> (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
> project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
> would work nicely.
>
> Thanks!
>
> A
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> ........................................................................
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From chris at dodgersden.com  Tue Oct 27 14:46:30 2009
From: chris at dodgersden.com (Chris Slatt)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:46:30 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
In-Reply-To: <604e4c200910271139s134b8ea9xc9abacac5612073b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AE73996.90608@gmail.com>
	<604e4c200910271139s134b8ea9xc9abacac5612073b@mail.gmail.com>
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I'd try calling J&H Atcheson out in Falls Church - they're a plumbing
distributor who also has some limited counter hours where anyone can walk in
and buy stuff.  No show-room, you have to know what you're looking for, but
they're far more likely than a Home Depot or a Lowes to have something
plumbing-related (and it'll probably be half the HD price).

http://www.aitcheson.com/findmap.aspx?m=_178

Chris

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Minister of Intelligence <
robominister at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey! I'd like to second Alberto's request
>
> - for obvious reasons I could use some similar tube.  ;  ))
>  10 -16 inches for me.
>
> I've tried Sonotube (found some at Home Depot!) But I really needed a
> metal, or plastic surface.
> Any other suggestions?
>
> So Alberto, once you get it, how are you gonna cut it?
> I've worked with 12 inch PVC in the past- and let's say, for me- getting a
> smooth even cut was a challenge.
>
>
> Carl Leonard
> http://www.robotcast.com
> Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
>> (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
>> project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
>> would work nicely.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> A
>> ........................................................................
>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>> ........................................................................
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
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From jeff at jumpstartlab.com  Tue Oct 27 14:49:23 2009
From: jeff at jumpstartlab.com (Jeff Casimir)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:49:23 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
In-Reply-To: <87b409910910271146n117a7d2cgdb727896f28eb6ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AE73996.90608@gmail.com>
	<604e4c200910271139s134b8ea9xc9abacac5612073b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<87b409910910271146n117a7d2cgdb727896f28eb6ff@mail.gmail.com>
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You might also try Grainger on Florida Ave NE.

- Jeff

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On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Chris Slatt <chris at dodgersden.com> wrote:
> I'd try calling J&H Atcheson out in Falls Church - they're a plumbing
> distributor who also has some limited counter hours where anyone can walk in
> and buy stuff.? No show-room, you have to know what you're looking for, but
> they're far more likely than a Home Depot or a Lowes to have something
> plumbing-related (and it'll probably be half the HD price).
>
> http://www.aitcheson.com/findmap.aspx?m=_178
>
> Chris
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Minister of Intelligence
> <robominister at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey! I'd like to second Alberto's request
>>
>> - for obvious reasons I could use some similar tube.? ;? ))
>> ?10 -16 inches for me.
>>
>> I've tried Sonotube (found some at Home Depot!) But I really needed a
>> metal, or plastic surface.
>> Any other suggestions?
>>
>> So Alberto, once you get it, how are you gonna cut it?
>> I've worked with 12 inch PVC in the past- and let's say, for me- getting a
>> smooth even cut was a challenge.
>>
>>
>> Carl Leonard
>> http://www.robotcast.com
>> Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
>>> (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
>>> project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
>>> would work nicely.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> A
>>> ........................................................................
>>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>>> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
>>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>>> ........................................................................
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> ........................................................................
>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>> ........................................................................
>
>
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> ........................................................................
>

From alberto.gaitan at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 15:04:12 2009
From: alberto.gaitan at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alberto_Gait=E1n?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:04:12 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
In-Reply-To: <604e4c200910271139s134b8ea9xc9abacac5612073b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AE73996.90608@gmail.com>
	<604e4c200910271139s134b8ea9xc9abacac5612073b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE7442C.3060004@gmail.com>

I'm going with Sonotube for now. Home Despot has them pre-cut for <$10
for a 4-ft length @10" ID.

Carl, you can cut PVC with a PVC cutter! :) A friend has the tools to do
that. Let me know if you ever need it.

Bending sheet metal is also a special tool situation so I've decided
against it, in the short term. Ventilation ducts might work but they
ding so easily...

Thanks everyone!

A




On 10/27/09 2:39 PM, Minister of Intelligence wrote:
> Hey! I'd like to second Alberto's request
> 
> - for obvious reasons I could use some similar tube.  ;  ))
>  10 -16 inches for me.
> 
> I've tried Sonotube (found some at Home Depot!) But I really needed a
> metal, or plastic surface.
> Any other suggestions?
> 
> So Alberto, once you get it, how are you gonna cut it?
> I've worked with 12 inch PVC in the past- and let's say, for me- getting
> a smooth even cut was a challenge.
> 
> 
> Carl Leonard
> http://www.robotcast.com
> Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n
> <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com <mailto:alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
>     (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
>     project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
>     would work nicely.
> 
>     Thanks!
> 
>     A
>     ........................................................................
>     .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>     ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>     ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
>     ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>     ........................................................................
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> ........................................................................

From rmadams at epotential.com  Tue Oct 27 15:13:45 2009
From: rmadams at epotential.com (R. Mark Adams, Ph.D.)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:13:45 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
In-Reply-To: <604e4c200910271139s134b8ea9xc9abacac5612073b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AE73996.90608@gmail.com>
	<604e4c200910271139s134b8ea9xc9abacac5612073b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE74669.2070608@epotential.com>

Okay, Carl, now you have to tell us what you are going to use it for... 
:-)

-Mark

Minister of Intelligence wrote:
> Hey! I'd like to second Alberto's request
> 
> - for obvious reasons I could use some similar tube.  ;  ))
>  10 -16 inches for me.
> 
> I've tried Sonotube (found some at Home Depot!) But I really needed a 
> metal, or plastic surface.
> Any other suggestions?
> 
> So Alberto, once you get it, how are you gonna cut it?
> I've worked with 12 inch PVC in the past- and let's say, for me- getting 
> a smooth even cut was a challenge.
> 
> 
> Carl Leonard
> http://www.robotcast.com
> Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n 
> <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com <mailto:alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
>     (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
>     project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
>     would work nicely.
> 
>     Thanks!
> 
>     A
>     ........................................................................
>     .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>     ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>     ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
>     ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>     ........................................................................
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> ........................................................................

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From robominister at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 15:44:24 2009
From: robominister at gmail.com (Minister of Intelligence)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:44:24 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
In-Reply-To: <4AE7442C.3060004@gmail.com>
References: <4AE73996.90608@gmail.com>
	<604e4c200910271139s134b8ea9xc9abacac5612073b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AE7442C.3060004@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <604e4c200910271244h5529d1car3fcb53cb0a0efe9d@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Alberto,

I've got a PVC cutter- but not for 10 in pipe or greater!
You gotta be using something other than those ratcheting shears, right? If
there's a tool, I need it, please let me know what you'd use.

(Home Despot- Ha!!)

I'm not sure what you're gonna use the tubing for- but my other issue with
Sonotube, is that the compressed paper it's made of, started 'unrolling'
when I was working with it. You know- like how a giant toilet paper roll
would start to peel apart (especially from the inside.) This may not be an
issue depending on what you're up to- but hey, that was my beef..

And Mark,
my plans?

Moo Ha ha haa!!!
Uh hemm, err umm..

Plumbing, of course..

;  ) )

-C

http://www.robotcast.com
Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.


On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm going with Sonotube for now. Home Despot has them pre-cut for <$10
> for a 4-ft length @10" ID.
>
> Carl, you can cut PVC with a PVC cutter! :) A friend has the tools to do
> that. Let me know if you ever need it.
>
> Bending sheet metal is also a special tool situation so I've decided
> against it, in the short term. Ventilation ducts might work but they
> ding so easily...
>
> Thanks everyone!
>
> A
>
>
>
>
> On 10/27/09 2:39 PM, Minister of Intelligence wrote:
> > Hey! I'd like to second Alberto's request
> >
> > - for obvious reasons I could use some similar tube.  ;  ))
> >  10 -16 inches for me.
> >
> > I've tried Sonotube (found some at Home Depot!) But I really needed a
> > metal, or plastic surface.
> > Any other suggestions?
> >
> > So Alberto, once you get it, how are you gonna cut it?
> > I've worked with 12 inch PVC in the past- and let's say, for me- getting
> > a smooth even cut was a challenge.
> >
> >
> > Carl Leonard
> > http://www.robotcast.com
> > Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n
> > <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com <mailto:alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
> >     (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it
> for a
> >     project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet
> metal
> >     would work nicely.
> >
> >     Thanks!
> >
> >     A
> >
> ........................................................................
> >     .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with
> electricity.........
> >     ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc.......................
> >     ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT
>  .......................
> >     ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber........
> >
> ........................................................................
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > ........................................................................
> > .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> > ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> > ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
> > ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> > ........................................................................
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> ........................................................................
>
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From alberto.gaitan at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 15:51:03 2009
From: alberto.gaitan at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alberto_Gait=E1n?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:51:03 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
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References: <4AE73996.90608@gmail.com>	<604e4c200910271139s134b8ea9xc9abacac5612073b@mail.gmail.com>	<4AE7442C.3060004@gmail.com>
	<604e4c200910271244h5529d1car3fcb53cb0a0efe9d@mail.gmail.com>
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I was thinking bandsaw, Carl. A friend has a nice handheld one.

I'm going to polyurethane or otherwise seal the Sonotube to resist
peeling and make it somewhat weather resistant. Did you treat yours in
any way?

A




On 10/27/09 3:44 PM, Minister of Intelligence wrote:
> Hey Alberto,
> 
> I've got a PVC cutter- but not for 10 in pipe or greater!
> You gotta be using something other than those ratcheting shears, right?
> If there's a tool, I need it, please let me know what you'd use.
> 
> (Home Despot- Ha!!)
> 
> I'm not sure what you're gonna use the tubing for- but my other issue
> with Sonotube, is that the compressed paper it's made of, started
> 'unrolling' when I was working with it. You know- like how a giant
> toilet paper roll would start to peel apart (especially from the
> inside.) This may not be an issue depending on what you're up to- but
> hey, that was my beef..
> 
> And Mark,
> my plans?
> 
> Moo Ha ha haa!!!
> Uh hemm, err umm..
> 
> Plumbing, of course..
> 
> ;  ) )
> 
> -C
> 
> http://www.robotcast.com
> Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Alberto Gait?n
> <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com <mailto:alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     I'm going with Sonotube for now. Home Despot has them pre-cut for <$10
>     for a 4-ft length @10" ID.
> 
>     Carl, you can cut PVC with a PVC cutter! :) A friend has the tools to do
>     that. Let me know if you ever need it.
> 
>     Bending sheet metal is also a special tool situation so I've decided
>     against it, in the short term. Ventilation ducts might work but they
>     ding so easily...
> 
>     Thanks everyone!
> 
>     A
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     On 10/27/09 2:39 PM, Minister of Intelligence wrote:
>     > Hey! I'd like to second Alberto's request
>     >
>     > - for obvious reasons I could use some similar tube.  ;  ))
>     >  10 -16 inches for me.
>     >
>     > I've tried Sonotube (found some at Home Depot!) But I really needed a
>     > metal, or plastic surface.
>     > Any other suggestions?
>     >
>     > So Alberto, once you get it, how are you gonna cut it?
>     > I've worked with 12 inch PVC in the past- and let's say, for me-
>     getting
>     > a smooth even cut was a challenge.
>     >
>     >
>     > Carl Leonard
>     > http://www.robotcast.com
>     > Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n
>     > <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com <mailto:alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:alberto.gaitan at gmail.com <mailto:alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>>>
>     wrote:
>     >
>     >     Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively
>     lightweight
>     >     (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet
>     of it for a
>     >     project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or
>     sheet metal
>     >     would work nicely.
>     >
>     >     Thanks!
>     >
>     >     A
>     >    
>     ........................................................................
>     >     .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with
>     electricity.........
>     >     ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc
>     .......................
>     >     ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT  
>      .......................
>     >     ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber
>     ........
>     >    
>     ........................................................................
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > --
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >
>     >
>     ........................................................................
>     > .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with
>     electricity.........
>     > ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc
>     .......................
>     > ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT  
>      .......................
>     > ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber
>     ........
>     >
>     ........................................................................
>     ........................................................................
>     .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>     ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>     ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
>     ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>     ........................................................................
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> ........................................................................

From jason.schlauch at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 16:03:51 2009
From: jason.schlauch at gmail.com (Jason Schlauch)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:03:51 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
In-Reply-To: <4AE74F27.8050106@gmail.com>
References: <4AE73996.90608@gmail.com>
	<604e4c200910271139s134b8ea9xc9abacac5612073b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AE7442C.3060004@gmail.com>
	<604e4c200910271244h5529d1car3fcb53cb0a0efe9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AE74F27.8050106@gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Alberto Gait?n
<alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
> I was thinking bandsaw, Carl. A friend has a nice handheld one.

Unless it's the kind of band saw designed to rip tree trunks
porta-bands are usually limited to 4" or so.

You might have to make a jig to get a perfect cut.  I'm imagining
something that rolls the tube and a stationary tool that makes a score
of increasing depth (like a mounted dremel).  Kind of like a copper
pipe cutter but on a giant scale.

> I'm going to polyurethane or otherwise seal the Sonotube to resist
> peeling and make it somewhat weather resistant. Did you treat yours in
> any way?

I believe the sonotube is supposed to peel away so you can expose the
concrete footer inside (if you're using it for its "intended"
purpose).  You could try a wash of something like PVA glue (cheap).
Or fiberglass the outside.  Or fiberglass the inside and peel it away.

--jason

From alberto.gaitan at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 16:11:57 2009
From: alberto.gaitan at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alberto_Gait=E1n?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:11:57 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
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Hmm, you're probably right about the bandsaw, I haven't seen it...

I like the fiberglass idea, Jason, but will try the PVA solution first.

A

On 10/27/09 4:03 PM, Jason Schlauch wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Alberto Gait?n
> <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I was thinking bandsaw, Carl. A friend has a nice handheld one.
> 
> Unless it's the kind of band saw designed to rip tree trunks
> porta-bands are usually limited to 4" or so.
> 
> You might have to make a jig to get a perfect cut.  I'm imagining
> something that rolls the tube and a stationary tool that makes a score
> of increasing depth (like a mounted dremel).  Kind of like a copper
> pipe cutter but on a giant scale.
> 
>> I'm going to polyurethane or otherwise seal the Sonotube to resist
>> peeling and make it somewhat weather resistant. Did you treat yours in
>> any way?
> 
> I believe the sonotube is supposed to peel away so you can expose the
> concrete footer inside (if you're using it for its "intended"
> purpose).  You could try a wash of something like PVA glue (cheap).
> Or fiberglass the outside.  Or fiberglass the inside and peel it away.
> 
> --jason
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> ........................................................................
> 

From robominister at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 16:53:13 2009
From: robominister at gmail.com (Minister of Intelligence)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:53:13 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
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Alberto,

If I need a tube of that diameter, typically it needs a really straight
crisp edge.
I used a hand electric jigsaw and a drawn line- and what resulted, let me
tell you- NOT CRISP!!
I didn't seal it/treat it- other than a sturdy band of duct tape which
ringed the edge.
But sealing it with some kind of adhesive really might have worked.

You starting to get the picture here?
Jaggedly cut, powdery tube, ringed with duct tape- that was unrolling.

Stylish.

Uh, yeah- I had to go with plan B.

What Jason suggested was what I had in mind- seems like there should be some
sort of rotating assembly with stationary cutter that would give me the edge
I'm looking for. Or maybe some kind of belt with a cutter that you'd wind
around and clamp down. How do plumbers on industrial sites or out in the
field get that 10 and 12 inch PVC cut so straight?

I also really like the peel-away fiberglass option, very interesting!
Thanks Jason,

but, what are these words "intended purpose" he spoke of?
Never heard of that before..

-C

http://www.robotcast.com
Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.



On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hmm, you're probably right about the bandsaw, I haven't seen it...
>
> I like the fiberglass idea, Jason, but will try the PVA solution first.
>
> A
>
> On 10/27/09 4:03 PM, Jason Schlauch wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Alberto Gait?n
> > <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I was thinking bandsaw, Carl. A friend has a nice handheld one.
> >
> > Unless it's the kind of band saw designed to rip tree trunks
> > porta-bands are usually limited to 4" or so.
> >
> > You might have to make a jig to get a perfect cut.  I'm imagining
> > something that rolls the tube and a stationary tool that makes a score
> > of increasing depth (like a mounted dremel).  Kind of like a copper
> > pipe cutter but on a giant scale.
> >
> >> I'm going to polyurethane or otherwise seal the Sonotube to resist
> >> peeling and make it somewhat weather resistant. Did you treat yours in
> >> any way?
> >
> > I believe the sonotube is supposed to peel away so you can expose the
> > concrete footer inside (if you're using it for its "intended"
> > purpose).  You could try a wash of something like PVA glue (cheap).
> > Or fiberglass the outside.  Or fiberglass the inside and peel it away.
> >
> > --jason
> > ........................................................................
> > .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> > ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> > ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
> > ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> > ........................................................................
> >
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> ........................................................................
>



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From jason.schlauch at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 17:18:40 2009
From: jason.schlauch at gmail.com (Jason Schlauch)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:18:40 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
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Here's a link to a page on commercial large pipe tools.  It might be
inspirado for a DIY rig:
http://www.reedmfgco.com/index.html?screen=large_diameter_pipe_tools

You might also CAREFULLY use a table saw with a purpose built jig to
do the increasing-depth score cut thing.

Depending on your application (which is still a mystery to me at this
point) you might just scrap the whole "cut straight ends" angle and
cut rough ends that are made straight by attaching couplers/flanges to
the end with PVC glue.

Or you could rough cut the end and finish it on a router table (again,
be careful).

Or you could get a giant hose clamp, wrap it around sonotube/PVC, and
use it as a straightedge for a blade cut.

Good luck!

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Minister of Intelligence
<robominister at gmail.com> wrote:
> Alberto,
>
> If I need a tube of that diameter, typically it needs a really straight
> crisp edge.
> I used a hand electric jigsaw and a drawn line- and what resulted, let me
> tell you- NOT CRISP!!
> I didn't seal it/treat it- other than a sturdy band of duct tape which
> ringed the edge.
> But sealing it with some kind of adhesive really might have worked.
>
> You starting to get the picture here?
> Jaggedly cut, powdery tube, ringed with duct tape- that was unrolling.
>
> Stylish.
>
> Uh, yeah- I had to go with plan B.
>
> What Jason suggested was what I had in mind- seems like there should be some
> sort of rotating assembly with stationary cutter that would give me the edge
> I'm looking for. Or maybe some kind of belt with a cutter that you'd wind
> around and clamp down. How do plumbers on industrial sites or out in the
> field get that 10 and 12 inch PVC cut so straight?
>
> I also really like the peel-away fiberglass option, very interesting!
> Thanks Jason,
>
> but, what are these words "intended purpose" he spoke of?
> Never heard of that before..
>
> -C
>
> http://www.robotcast.com
> Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hmm, you're probably right about the bandsaw, I haven't seen it...
>>
>> I like the fiberglass idea, Jason, but will try the PVA solution first.
>>
>> A
>>
>> On 10/27/09 4:03 PM, Jason Schlauch wrote:
>> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Alberto Gait?n
>> > <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I was thinking bandsaw, Carl. A friend has a nice handheld one.
>> >
>> > Unless it's the kind of band saw designed to rip tree trunks
>> > porta-bands are usually limited to 4" or so.
>> >
>> > You might have to make a jig to get a perfect cut. ?I'm imagining
>> > something that rolls the tube and a stationary tool that makes a score
>> > of increasing depth (like a mounted dremel). ?Kind of like a copper
>> > pipe cutter but on a giant scale.
>> >
>> >> I'm going to polyurethane or otherwise seal the Sonotube to resist
>> >> peeling and make it somewhat weather resistant. Did you treat yours in
>> >> any way?
>> >
>> > I believe the sonotube is supposed to peel away so you can expose the
>> > concrete footer inside (if you're using it for its "intended"
>> > purpose). ?You could try a wash of something like PVA glue (cheap).
>> > Or fiberglass the outside. ?Or fiberglass the inside and peel it away.
>> >
>> > --jason
>> > ........................................................................
>> > .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>> > ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>> > ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
>> > ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>> > ........................................................................
>> >
>> ........................................................................
>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>> ........................................................................
>
>
>
> --
>
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> ........................................................................
>

From alberto.gaitan at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 20:33:52 2009
From: alberto.gaitan at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alberto_Gait=E1n?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:33:52 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] [HacDC:Blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
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Thanks, again, Jason.

My project is creating a portfolio tube to carry large format (< 48" x
whatever) flat art safely. The quality tubes sold for that purpose are
upwards of $125.

I'll need to weatherproof it and cap it somehow. Your comments help.

More as it happens,

Alberto






On 10/27/09 5:18 PM, Jason Schlauch wrote:
> Here's a link to a page on commercial large pipe tools.  It might be
> inspirado for a DIY rig:
> http://www.reedmfgco.com/index.html?screen=large_diameter_pipe_tools
> 
> You might also CAREFULLY use a table saw with a purpose built jig to
> do the increasing-depth score cut thing.
> 
> Depending on your application (which is still a mystery to me at this
> point) you might just scrap the whole "cut straight ends" angle and
> cut rough ends that are made straight by attaching couplers/flanges to
> the end with PVC glue.
> 
> Or you could rough cut the end and finish it on a router table (again,
> be careful).
> 
> Or you could get a giant hose clamp, wrap it around sonotube/PVC, and
> use it as a straightedge for a blade cut.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Minister of Intelligence
> <robominister at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Alberto,
>>
>> If I need a tube of that diameter, typically it needs a really straight
>> crisp edge.
>> I used a hand electric jigsaw and a drawn line- and what resulted, let me
>> tell you- NOT CRISP!!
>> I didn't seal it/treat it- other than a sturdy band of duct tape which
>> ringed the edge.
>> But sealing it with some kind of adhesive really might have worked.
>>
>> You starting to get the picture here?
>> Jaggedly cut, powdery tube, ringed with duct tape- that was unrolling.
>>
>> Stylish.
>>
>> Uh, yeah- I had to go with plan B.
>>
>> What Jason suggested was what I had in mind- seems like there should be some
>> sort of rotating assembly with stationary cutter that would give me the edge
>> I'm looking for. Or maybe some kind of belt with a cutter that you'd wind
>> around and clamp down. How do plumbers on industrial sites or out in the
>> field get that 10 and 12 inch PVC cut so straight?
>>
>> I also really like the peel-away fiberglass option, very interesting!
>> Thanks Jason,
>>
>> but, what are these words "intended purpose" he spoke of?
>> Never heard of that before..
>>
>> -C
>>
>> http://www.robotcast.com
>> Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Hmm, you're probably right about the bandsaw, I haven't seen it...
>>>
>>> I like the fiberglass idea, Jason, but will try the PVA solution first.
>>>
>>> A
>>>
>>> On 10/27/09 4:03 PM, Jason Schlauch wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Alberto Gait?n
>>>> <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I was thinking bandsaw, Carl. A friend has a nice handheld one.
>>>> Unless it's the kind of band saw designed to rip tree trunks
>>>> porta-bands are usually limited to 4" or so.
>>>>
>>>> You might have to make a jig to get a perfect cut.  I'm imagining
>>>> something that rolls the tube and a stationary tool that makes a score
>>>> of increasing depth (like a mounted dremel).  Kind of like a copper
>>>> pipe cutter but on a giant scale.
>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to polyurethane or otherwise seal the Sonotube to resist
>>>>> peeling and make it somewhat weather resistant. Did you treat yours in
>>>>> any way?
>>>> I believe the sonotube is supposed to peel away so you can expose the
>>>> concrete footer inside (if you're using it for its "intended"
>>>> purpose).  You could try a wash of something like PVA glue (cheap).
>>>> Or fiberglass the outside.  Or fiberglass the inside and peel it away.
>>>>
>>>> --jason
>>>> ........................................................................
>>>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>>>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>>>> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
>>>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>>>> ........................................................................
>>>>
>>> ........................................................................
>>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>>> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
>>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>>> ........................................................................
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> ........................................................................
>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>> ........................................................................
>>

From justin.sabe at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 20:36:23 2009
From: justin.sabe at gmail.com (Justin Sabe)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:36:23 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] [HacDC:Blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
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Saranwrap, It's not just for the bedroom anymore!

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Alberto Gait?n
<alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, again, Jason.
>
> My project is creating a portfolio tube to carry large format (< 48" x
> whatever) flat art safely. The quality tubes sold for that purpose are
> upwards of $125.
>
> I'll need to weatherproof it and cap it somehow. Your comments help.
>
> More as it happens,
>
> Alberto
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/27/09 5:18 PM, Jason Schlauch wrote:
>> Here's a link to a page on commercial large pipe tools. ?It might be
>> inspirado for a DIY rig:
>> http://www.reedmfgco.com/index.html?screen=large_diameter_pipe_tools
>>
>> You might also CAREFULLY use a table saw with a purpose built jig to
>> do the increasing-depth score cut thing.
>>
>> Depending on your application (which is still a mystery to me at this
>> point) you might just scrap the whole "cut straight ends" angle and
>> cut rough ends that are made straight by attaching couplers/flanges to
>> the end with PVC glue.
>>
>> Or you could rough cut the end and finish it on a router table (again,
>> be careful).
>>
>> Or you could get a giant hose clamp, wrap it around sonotube/PVC, and
>> use it as a straightedge for a blade cut.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Minister of Intelligence
>> <robominister at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Alberto,
>>>
>>> If I need a tube of that diameter, typically it needs a really straight
>>> crisp edge.
>>> I used a hand electric jigsaw and a drawn line- and what resulted, let me
>>> tell you- NOT CRISP!!
>>> I didn't seal it/treat it- other than a sturdy band of duct tape which
>>> ringed the edge.
>>> But sealing it with some kind of adhesive really might have worked.
>>>
>>> You starting to get the picture here?
>>> Jaggedly cut, powdery tube, ringed with duct tape- that was unrolling.
>>>
>>> Stylish.
>>>
>>> Uh, yeah- I had to go with plan B.
>>>
>>> What Jason suggested was what I had in mind- seems like there should be some
>>> sort of rotating assembly with stationary cutter that would give me the edge
>>> I'm looking for. Or maybe some kind of belt with a cutter that you'd wind
>>> around and clamp down. How do plumbers on industrial sites or out in the
>>> field get that 10 and 12 inch PVC cut so straight?
>>>
>>> I also really like the peel-away fiberglass option, very interesting!
>>> Thanks Jason,
>>>
>>> but, what are these words "intended purpose" he spoke of?
>>> Never heard of that before..
>>>
>>> -C
>>>
>>> http://www.robotcast.com
>>> Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hmm, you're probably right about the bandsaw, I haven't seen it...
>>>>
>>>> I like the fiberglass idea, Jason, but will try the PVA solution first.
>>>>
>>>> A
>>>>
>>>> On 10/27/09 4:03 PM, Jason Schlauch wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Alberto Gait?n
>>>>> <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I was thinking bandsaw, Carl. A friend has a nice handheld one.
>>>>> Unless it's the kind of band saw designed to rip tree trunks
>>>>> porta-bands are usually limited to 4" or so.
>>>>>
>>>>> You might have to make a jig to get a perfect cut. ?I'm imagining
>>>>> something that rolls the tube and a stationary tool that makes a score
>>>>> of increasing depth (like a mounted dremel). ?Kind of like a copper
>>>>> pipe cutter but on a giant scale.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm going to polyurethane or otherwise seal the Sonotube to resist
>>>>>> peeling and make it somewhat weather resistant. Did you treat yours in
>>>>>> any way?
>>>>> I believe the sonotube is supposed to peel away so you can expose the
>>>>> concrete footer inside (if you're using it for its "intended"
>>>>> purpose). ?You could try a wash of something like PVA glue (cheap).
>>>>> Or fiberglass the outside. ?Or fiberglass the inside and peel it away.
>>>>>
>>>>> --jason
>>>>> ........................................................................
>>>>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>>>>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>>>>> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
>>>>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>>>>> ........................................................................
>>>>>
>>>> ........................................................................
>>>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>>>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>>>> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
>>>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>>>> ........................................................................
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> ........................................................................
>>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>>> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
>>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>>> ........................................................................
>>>
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> ........................................................................
>

From alberto.gaitan at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 20:39:33 2009
From: alberto.gaitan at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alberto_Gait=E1n?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:39:33 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] [HacDC:Blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
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Har. I need something permanent-ish. Maybe plastic wrap + something else...




On 10/27/09 8:36 PM, Justin Sabe wrote:
> Saranwrap, It's not just for the bedroom anymore!
> 
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Alberto Gait?n
> <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks, again, Jason.
>>
>> My project is creating a portfolio tube to carry large format (< 48" x
>> whatever) flat art safely. The quality tubes sold for that purpose are
>> upwards of $125.
>>
>> I'll need to weatherproof it and cap it somehow. Your comments help.
>>
>> More as it happens,
>>
>> Alberto
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/27/09 5:18 PM, Jason Schlauch wrote:
>>> Here's a link to a page on commercial large pipe tools.  It might be
>>> inspirado for a DIY rig:
>>> http://www.reedmfgco.com/index.html?screen=large_diameter_pipe_tools
>>>
>>> You might also CAREFULLY use a table saw with a purpose built jig to
>>> do the increasing-depth score cut thing.
>>>
>>> Depending on your application (which is still a mystery to me at this
>>> point) you might just scrap the whole "cut straight ends" angle and
>>> cut rough ends that are made straight by attaching couplers/flanges to
>>> the end with PVC glue.
>>>
>>> Or you could rough cut the end and finish it on a router table (again,
>>> be careful).
>>>
>>> Or you could get a giant hose clamp, wrap it around sonotube/PVC, and
>>> use it as a straightedge for a blade cut.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Minister of Intelligence
>>> <robominister at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Alberto,
>>>>
>>>> If I need a tube of that diameter, typically it needs a really straight
>>>> crisp edge.
>>>> I used a hand electric jigsaw and a drawn line- and what resulted, let me
>>>> tell you- NOT CRISP!!
>>>> I didn't seal it/treat it- other than a sturdy band of duct tape which
>>>> ringed the edge.
>>>> But sealing it with some kind of adhesive really might have worked.
>>>>
>>>> You starting to get the picture here?
>>>> Jaggedly cut, powdery tube, ringed with duct tape- that was unrolling.
>>>>
>>>> Stylish.
>>>>
>>>> Uh, yeah- I had to go with plan B.
>>>>
>>>> What Jason suggested was what I had in mind- seems like there should be some
>>>> sort of rotating assembly with stationary cutter that would give me the edge
>>>> I'm looking for. Or maybe some kind of belt with a cutter that you'd wind
>>>> around and clamp down. How do plumbers on industrial sites or out in the
>>>> field get that 10 and 12 inch PVC cut so straight?
>>>>
>>>> I also really like the peel-away fiberglass option, very interesting!
>>>> Thanks Jason,
>>>>
>>>> but, what are these words "intended purpose" he spoke of?
>>>> Never heard of that before..
>>>>
>>>> -C
>>>>
>>>> http://www.robotcast.com
>>>> Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hmm, you're probably right about the bandsaw, I haven't seen it...
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the fiberglass idea, Jason, but will try the PVA solution first.
>>>>>
>>>>> A
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/27/09 4:03 PM, Jason Schlauch wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Alberto Gait?n
>>>>>> <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I was thinking bandsaw, Carl. A friend has a nice handheld one.
>>>>>> Unless it's the kind of band saw designed to rip tree trunks
>>>>>> porta-bands are usually limited to 4" or so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You might have to make a jig to get a perfect cut.  I'm imagining
>>>>>> something that rolls the tube and a stationary tool that makes a score
>>>>>> of increasing depth (like a mounted dremel).  Kind of like a copper
>>>>>> pipe cutter but on a giant scale.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm going to polyurethane or otherwise seal the Sonotube to resist
>>>>>>> peeling and make it somewhat weather resistant. Did you treat yours in
>>>>>>> any way?
>>>>>> I believe the sonotube is supposed to peel away so you can expose the
>>>>>> concrete footer inside (if you're using it for its "intended"
>>>>>> purpose).  You could try a wash of something like PVA glue (cheap).
>>>>>> Or fiberglass the outside.  Or fiberglass the inside and peel it away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --jason
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From jason.schlauch at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 21:41:26 2009
From: jason.schlauch at gmail.com (Jason Schlauch)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:41:26 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] [HacDC:Blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
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On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Alberto Gait?n
<alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
> My project is creating a portfolio tube to carry large format (< 48" x
> whatever) flat art safely. The quality tubes sold for that purpose are
> upwards of $125.

Ah.  I know what you're talking about (I have a fairly cheap version, actually).

Are you sure you need a ~10" tube?  If you keep it to 4" your life
will be much easier on many fronts.  You'll also be able to purchase
end caps off the shelf of any big box store.

Also, PVC will actually be fairly heavy at that diameter and length.
It's also not archival, if that matters to you.

I would go for something that's fairly thin wall.

>
> I'll need to weatherproof it and cap it somehow. Your comments help.
>
> More as it happens,
>
> Alberto
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/27/09 5:18 PM, Jason Schlauch wrote:
>> Here's a link to a page on commercial large pipe tools. ?It might be
>> inspirado for a DIY rig:
>> http://www.reedmfgco.com/index.html?screen=large_diameter_pipe_tools
>>
>> You might also CAREFULLY use a table saw with a purpose built jig to
>> do the increasing-depth score cut thing.
>>
>> Depending on your application (which is still a mystery to me at this
>> point) you might just scrap the whole "cut straight ends" angle and
>> cut rough ends that are made straight by attaching couplers/flanges to
>> the end with PVC glue.
>>
>> Or you could rough cut the end and finish it on a router table (again,
>> be careful).
>>
>> Or you could get a giant hose clamp, wrap it around sonotube/PVC, and
>> use it as a straightedge for a blade cut.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Minister of Intelligence
>> <robominister at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Alberto,
>>>
>>> If I need a tube of that diameter, typically it needs a really straight
>>> crisp edge.
>>> I used a hand electric jigsaw and a drawn line- and what resulted, let me
>>> tell you- NOT CRISP!!
>>> I didn't seal it/treat it- other than a sturdy band of duct tape which
>>> ringed the edge.
>>> But sealing it with some kind of adhesive really might have worked.
>>>
>>> You starting to get the picture here?
>>> Jaggedly cut, powdery tube, ringed with duct tape- that was unrolling.
>>>
>>> Stylish.
>>>
>>> Uh, yeah- I had to go with plan B.
>>>
>>> What Jason suggested was what I had in mind- seems like there should be some
>>> sort of rotating assembly with stationary cutter that would give me the edge
>>> I'm looking for. Or maybe some kind of belt with a cutter that you'd wind
>>> around and clamp down. How do plumbers on industrial sites or out in the
>>> field get that 10 and 12 inch PVC cut so straight?
>>>
>>> I also really like the peel-away fiberglass option, very interesting!
>>> Thanks Jason,
>>>
>>> but, what are these words "intended purpose" he spoke of?
>>> Never heard of that before..
>>>
>>> -C
>>>
>>> http://www.robotcast.com
>>> Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hmm, you're probably right about the bandsaw, I haven't seen it...
>>>>
>>>> I like the fiberglass idea, Jason, but will try the PVA solution first.
>>>>
>>>> A
>>>>
>>>> On 10/27/09 4:03 PM, Jason Schlauch wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Alberto Gait?n
>>>>> <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I was thinking bandsaw, Carl. A friend has a nice handheld one.
>>>>> Unless it's the kind of band saw designed to rip tree trunks
>>>>> porta-bands are usually limited to 4" or so.
>>>>>
>>>>> You might have to make a jig to get a perfect cut. ?I'm imagining
>>>>> something that rolls the tube and a stationary tool that makes a score
>>>>> of increasing depth (like a mounted dremel). ?Kind of like a copper
>>>>> pipe cutter but on a giant scale.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm going to polyurethane or otherwise seal the Sonotube to resist
>>>>>> peeling and make it somewhat weather resistant. Did you treat yours in
>>>>>> any way?
>>>>> I believe the sonotube is supposed to peel away so you can expose the
>>>>> concrete footer inside (if you're using it for its "intended"
>>>>> purpose). ?You could try a wash of something like PVA glue (cheap).
>>>>> Or fiberglass the outside. ?Or fiberglass the inside and peel it away.
>>>>>
>>>>> --jason
>>>>> ........................................................................
>>>>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>>>>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>>>>> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
>>>>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>>>>> ........................................................................
>>>>>
>>>> ........................................................................
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>>>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>>>> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
>>>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>>>> ........................................................................
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> ........................................................................
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From john at johntindale.com  Wed Oct 28 07:33:15 2009
From: john at johntindale.com (John Tindale)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:33:15 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] where to buy sonotube
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Sonotube is used for concrete forms, so you might want to try searching
for places that sell concrete and concrete forms.
http://www.aalphaconcreteforming.com/column.html

If you're willing to take a drive to Philadelphia, there is a place that
makes sonotube and other large tubes there
http://www.americanpaperproducts.com/spiraltubesandcores.html

you might ask them if they have a local rep-

ten inch sheet metal pipe can be purchased from Old Dominion Supply.
http://www.odshvac.com/distaw/main.asp

many of these places sell only to the trades, but if you call or walk in
and tell them what you are doing with it, most places are happy to sell
right now because of the downturn in the economy.

Hope this helps.

-John Tindale
john at johntindale.com

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> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:22:23 -0400
> From: Matt Liggett <mml at pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: [dorkbotdc-blabber] [HacDC:Blabber] 10" internal diameter
> 	tube
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> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n
> <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
> > (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
> > project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
> > would work nicely.
> 
> Would Sonotube work?  It's generally easy to find.  A buddy made an
> enormous subwoofer from one.
> 
>     http://www.sonotube.com/products/round_sizechart.html
> 
>  -Matt
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:35:18 -0400
> From: Dorkbot DC <dorkbotdc at dorkbot.org>
> Subject: Re: [dorkbotdc-blabber] [HacDC:Blabber] 10" internal diameter
> 	tube
> To: HacDC Public Discussion <blabber at hacdc.org>
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> It just might, Matt, thank you!
> 
> Alberto
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/27/09 2:22 PM, Matt Liggett wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n
> > <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
> >> (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
> >> project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
> >> would work nicely.
> > 
> > Would Sonotube work?  It's generally easy to find.  A buddy made an
> > enormous subwoofer from one.
> > 
> >     http://www.sonotube.com/products/round_sizechart.html
> > 
> >  -Matt
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:39:28 -0400
> From: Minister of Intelligence <robominister at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [dorkbotdc-blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
> To: dorkbotdc-blabber at dorkbot.org
> Cc: HacDCBlabber <blabber at hacdc.org>
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Hey! I'd like to second Alberto's request
> 
> - for obvious reasons I could use some similar tube.  ;  ))
>  10 -16 inches for me.
> 
> I've tried Sonotube (found some at Home Depot!) But I really needed a metal,
> or plastic surface.
> Any other suggestions?
> 
> So Alberto, once you get it, how are you gonna cut it?
> I've worked with 12 inch PVC in the past- and let's say, for me- getting a
> smooth even cut was a challenge.
> 
> 
> Carl Leonard
> http://www.robotcast.com
> Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
> > (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
> > project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
> > would work nicely.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > A
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> I'd try calling J&H Atcheson out in Falls Church - they're a plumbing
> distributor who also has some limited counter hours where anyone can walk in
> and buy stuff.  No show-room, you have to know what you're looking for, but
> they're far more likely than a Home Depot or a Lowes to have something
> plumbing-related (and it'll probably be half the HD price).
> 
> http://www.aitcheson.com/findmap.aspx?m=_178
> 
> Chris
> 
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Minister of Intelligence <
> robominister at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hey! I'd like to second Alberto's request
> >
> > - for obvious reasons I could use some similar tube.  ;  ))
> >  10 -16 inches for me.
> >
> > I've tried Sonotube (found some at Home Depot!) But I really needed a
> > metal, or plastic surface.
> > Any other suggestions?
> >
> > So Alberto, once you get it, how are you gonna cut it?
> > I've worked with 12 inch PVC in the past- and let's say, for me- getting a
> > smooth even cut was a challenge.
> >
> >
> > Carl Leonard
> > http://www.robotcast.com
> > Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
> >> (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
> >> project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
> >> would work nicely.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> A
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> From: Jeff Casimir <jeff at jumpstartlab.com>
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> You might also try Grainger on Florida Ave NE.
> 
> - Jeff
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> 
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Chris Slatt <chris at dodgersden.com> wrote:
> > I'd try calling J&H Atcheson out in Falls Church - they're a plumbing
> > distributor who also has some limited counter hours where anyone can walk in
> > and buy stuff.? No show-room, you have to know what you're looking for, but
> > they're far more likely than a Home Depot or a Lowes to have something
> > plumbing-related (and it'll probably be half the HD price).
> >
> > http://www.aitcheson.com/findmap.aspx?m=_178
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Minister of Intelligence
> > <robominister at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey! I'd like to second Alberto's request
> >>
> >> - for obvious reasons I could use some similar tube.? ;? ))
> >> ?10 -16 inches for me.
> >>
> >> I've tried Sonotube (found some at Home Depot!) But I really needed a
> >> metal, or plastic surface.
> >> Any other suggestions?
> >>
> >> So Alberto, once you get it, how are you gonna cut it?
> >> I've worked with 12 inch PVC in the past- and let's say, for me- getting a
> >> smooth even cut was a challenge.
> >>
> >>
> >> Carl Leonard
> >> http://www.robotcast.com
> >> Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
> >>> (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
> >>> project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
> >>> would work nicely.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> A
> >>> ........................................................................
> >>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> >>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> >>> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
> >>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> >>> ........................................................................
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> ........................................................................
> >> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> >> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> >> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
> >> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> >> ........................................................................
> >
> >
> > ........................................................................
> > .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> > ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> > ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
> > ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> > ........................................................................
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:04:12 -0400
> From: Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [dorkbotdc-blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
> To: dorkbotdc-blabber at dorkbot.org
> Cc: HacDCBlabber <blabber at hacdc.org>
> Message-ID: <4AE7442C.3060004 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> I'm going with Sonotube for now. Home Despot has them pre-cut for <$10
> for a 4-ft length @10" ID.
> 
> Carl, you can cut PVC with a PVC cutter! :) A friend has the tools to do
> that. Let me know if you ever need it.
> 
> Bending sheet metal is also a special tool situation so I've decided
> against it, in the short term. Ventilation ducts might work but they
> ding so easily...
> 
> Thanks everyone!
> 
> A
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/27/09 2:39 PM, Minister of Intelligence wrote:
> > Hey! I'd like to second Alberto's request
> > 
> > - for obvious reasons I could use some similar tube.  ;  ))
> >  10 -16 inches for me.
> > 
> > I've tried Sonotube (found some at Home Depot!) But I really needed a
> > metal, or plastic surface.
> > Any other suggestions?
> > 
> > So Alberto, once you get it, how are you gonna cut it?
> > I've worked with 12 inch PVC in the past- and let's say, for me- getting
> > a smooth even cut was a challenge.
> > 
> > 
> > Carl Leonard
> > http://www.robotcast.com
> > Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n
> > <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com <mailto:alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> >     Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
> >     (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
> >     project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
> >     would work nicely.
> > 
> >     Thanks!
> > 
> >     A
> >     ........................................................................
> >     .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> >     ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> >     ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
> >     ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> >     ........................................................................
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > ........................................................................
> > .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> > ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> > ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
> > ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
> > ........................................................................
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> ........................................................................
> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
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From jason.schlauch at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 09:06:28 2009
From: jason.schlauch at gmail.com (Jason Schlauch)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:06:28 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] where to buy sonotube
In-Reply-To: <1256729595.5014.11.camel@johntindale-laptop>
References: <mailman.2303.1256670266.139.dorkbotdc-blabber@dorkbot.org>
	<1256729595.5014.11.camel@johntindale-laptop>
Message-ID: <a7c732710910280606y7044b214jb2b44e20c347177d@mail.gmail.com>

You can buy concrete form tubes off the shelf at big box stores in
DIYer sizes (<= 12").  I've heard (but can't confirm) that the
Quikrete brand tubes are wax coated inside (ostensibly the wax is a
release agent and waterproofer).

I've also heard (but can't confirm) that the Sonotube brand tubes are
waterproof throughout.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:33 AM, John Tindale <john at johntindale.com> wrote:
> Sonotube is used for concrete forms, so you might want to try searching for
> places that sell concrete and concrete forms.
> http://www.aalphaconcreteforming.com/column.html
>
> If you're willing to take a drive to Philadelphia, there is a place that
> makes sonotube and other large tubes there
> http://www.americanpaperproducts.com/spiraltubesandcores.html
>
> you might ask them if they have a local rep-
>
> ten inch sheet metal pipe can be purchased from Old Dominion Supply.
> http://www.odshvac.com/distaw/main.asp
>
> many of these places sell only to the trades, but if you call or walk in and
> tell them what you are doing with it, most places are happy to sell right
> now because of the downturn in the economy.
>
> Hope this helps.

From alberto.gaitan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 09:52:17 2009
From: alberto.gaitan at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QWxiZXJ0byBHYWl0w6Fu?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:52:17 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] where to buy sonotube
In-Reply-To: <1256729595.5014.11.camel@johntindale-laptop>
References: <mailman.2303.1256670266.139.dorkbotdc-blabber@dorkbot.org>
	<1256729595.5014.11.camel@johntindale-laptop>
Message-ID: <4AE84C91.9080208@gmail.com>

Thanks, John!

Turns out Sonotube is pretty heavy for my project (a large portfolio
tube). I'm looking at other suggestions from Jason Schlauch. (Thanks,
Jason!).

A




On 10/28/09 7:33 AM, John Tindale wrote:
> Sonotube is used for concrete forms, so you might want to try searching
> for places that sell concrete and concrete forms.
> http://www.aalphaconcreteforming.com/column.html
> 
> If you're willing to take a drive to Philadelphia, there is a place that
> makes sonotube and other large tubes there
> http://www.americanpaperproducts.com/spiraltubesandcores.html
> 
> you might ask them if they have a local rep-
> 
> ten inch sheet metal pipe can be purchased from Old Dominion Supply.
> http://www.odshvac.com/distaw/main.asp
> 
> many of these places sell only to the trades, but if you call or walk in
> and tell them what you are doing with it, most places are happy to sell
> right now because of the downturn in the economy.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> -John Tindale
> john at johntindale.com <mailto:john at johntindale.com>
> 
> On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 15:04 -0400, dorkbotdc-blabber-request at dorkbot.org
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>>    1. Re: [HacDC:Blabber] 10" internal diameter tube (Matt Liggett)
>>    2. Re: [HacDC:Blabber] 10" internal diameter tube (Dorkbot DC)
>>    3. Re: 10" internal diameter tube (Minister of Intelligence)
>>    4. Re: 10" internal diameter tube (Chris Slatt)
>>    5. Re: 10" internal diameter tube (Jeff Casimir)
>>    6. Re: 10" internal diameter tube (Alberto Gait?n)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:22:23 -0400
>> From: Matt Liggett <mml at pobox.com <mailto:mml at pobox.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [dorkbotdc-blabber] [HacDC:Blabber] 10" internal diameter
>> 	tube
>> To: HacDC Public Discussion <blabber at hacdc.org <mailto:blabber at hacdc.org>>
>> Cc: A discussion list for dorkbot-dc <dorkbotdc-blabber at dorkbot.org <mailto:dorkbotdc-blabber at dorkbot.org>>
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<d26fc8c0910271122v7ec336b7k8c8c1c06a1bdddb8 at mail.gmail.com <mailto:d26fc8c0910271122v7ec336b7k8c8c1c06a1bdddb8 at mail.gmail.com>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n
>> <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com <mailto:alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
>> > (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
>> > project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
>> > would work nicely.
>>
>> Would Sonotube work?  It's generally easy to find.  A buddy made an
>> enormous subwoofer from one.
>>
>>     http://www.sonotube.com/products/round_sizechart.html
>>
>>  -Matt
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:35:18 -0400
>> From: Dorkbot DC <dorkbotdc at dorkbot.org <mailto:dorkbotdc at dorkbot.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [dorkbotdc-blabber] [HacDC:Blabber] 10" internal diameter
>> 	tube
>> To: HacDC Public Discussion <blabber at hacdc.org <mailto:blabber at hacdc.org>>
>> Cc: A discussion list for dorkbot-dc <dorkbotdc-blabber at dorkbot.org <mailto:dorkbotdc-blabber at dorkbot.org>>
>> Message-ID: <4AE73D66.5020804 at dorkbot.org <mailto:4AE73D66.5020804 at dorkbot.org>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> It just might, Matt, thank you!
>>
>> Alberto
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/27/09 2:22 PM, Matt Liggett wrote:
>> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n
>> > <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com <mailto:alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >> Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
>> >> (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
>> >> project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
>> >> would work nicely.
>> > 
>> > Would Sonotube work?  It's generally easy to find.  A buddy made an
>> > enormous subwoofer from one.
>> > 
>> >     http://www.sonotube.com/products/round_sizechart.html
>> > 
>> >  -Matt
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:39:28 -0400
>> From: Minister of Intelligence <robominister at gmail.com <mailto:robominister at gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [dorkbotdc-blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
>> To: dorkbotdc-blabber at dorkbot.org <mailto:dorkbotdc-blabber at dorkbot.org>
>> Cc: HacDCBlabber <blabber at hacdc.org <mailto:blabber at hacdc.org>>
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<604e4c200910271139s134b8ea9xc9abacac5612073b at mail.gmail.com <mailto:604e4c200910271139s134b8ea9xc9abacac5612073b at mail.gmail.com>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hey! I'd like to second Alberto's request
>>
>> - for obvious reasons I could use some similar tube.  ;  ))
>>  10 -16 inches for me.
>>
>> I've tried Sonotube (found some at Home Depot!) But I really needed a metal,
>> or plastic surface.
>> Any other suggestions?
>>
>> So Alberto, once you get it, how are you gonna cut it?
>> I've worked with 12 inch PVC in the past- and let's say, for me- getting a
>> smooth even cut was a challenge.
>>
>>
>> Carl Leonard
>> http://www.robotcast.com
>> Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com <mailto:alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>>wrote:
>>
>> > Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
>> > (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
>> > project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
>> > would work nicely.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > A
>> > ........................................................................
>> > .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>> > ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>> > ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
>> > ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>> > ........................................................................
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:46:30 -0400
>> From: Chris Slatt <chris at dodgersden.com <mailto:chris at dodgersden.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [dorkbotdc-blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
>> To: dorkbotdc-blabber at dorkbot.org <mailto:dorkbotdc-blabber at dorkbot.org>
>> Cc: HacDCBlabber <blabber at hacdc.org <mailto:blabber at hacdc.org>>
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<87b409910910271146n117a7d2cgdb727896f28eb6ff at mail.gmail.com <mailto:87b409910910271146n117a7d2cgdb727896f28eb6ff at mail.gmail.com>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> I'd try calling J&H Atcheson out in Falls Church - they're a plumbing
>> distributor who also has some limited counter hours where anyone can walk in
>> and buy stuff.  No show-room, you have to know what you're looking for, but
>> they're far more likely than a Home Depot or a Lowes to have something
>> plumbing-related (and it'll probably be half the HD price).
>>
>> http://www.aitcheson.com/findmap.aspx?m=_178
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Minister of Intelligence <
>> robominister at gmail.com <mailto:robominister at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hey! I'd like to second Alberto's request
>> >
>> > - for obvious reasons I could use some similar tube.  ;  ))
>> >  10 -16 inches for me.
>> >
>> > I've tried Sonotube (found some at Home Depot!) But I really needed a
>> > metal, or plastic surface.
>> > Any other suggestions?
>> >
>> > So Alberto, once you get it, how are you gonna cut it?
>> > I've worked with 12 inch PVC in the past- and let's say, for me- getting a
>> > smooth even cut was a challenge.
>> >
>> >
>> > Carl Leonard
>> > http://www.robotcast.com
>> > Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com <mailto:alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
>> >> (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
>> >> project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
>> >> would work nicely.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> A
>> >> ........................................................................
>> >> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>> >> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>> >> ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
>> >> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>> >> ........................................................................
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> > ........................................................................
>> > .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>> > ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>> > ...................   SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT    .......................
>> > ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
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>> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:49:23 -0400
>> From: Jeff Casimir <jeff at jumpstartlab.com <mailto:jeff at jumpstartlab.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [dorkbotdc-blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
>> To: dorkbotdc-blabber at dorkbot.org <mailto:dorkbotdc-blabber at dorkbot.org>
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<70dad9df0910271149u7eb95d4q1ca2053dc7000cb at mail.gmail.com <mailto:70dad9df0910271149u7eb95d4q1ca2053dc7000cb at mail.gmail.com>>
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>> You might also try Grainger on Florida Ave NE.
>>
>> - Jeff
>>
>> ---
>> Jeff Casimir
>> Jumpstart Lab by Casimir Creative, LLC
>> http://jumpstartlab.com
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>>
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Chris Slatt <chris at dodgersden.com <mailto:chris at dodgersden.com>> wrote:
>> > I'd try calling J&H Atcheson out in Falls Church - they're a plumbing
>> > distributor who also has some limited counter hours where anyone can walk in
>> > and buy stuff.? No show-room, you have to know what you're looking for, but
>> > they're far more likely than a Home Depot or a Lowes to have something
>> > plumbing-related (and it'll probably be half the HD price).
>> >
>> > http://www.aitcheson.com/findmap.aspx?m=_178
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Minister of Intelligence
>> > <robominister at gmail.com <mailto:robominister at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey! I'd like to second Alberto's request
>> >>
>> >> - for obvious reasons I could use some similar tube.? ;? ))
>> >> ?10 -16 inches for me.
>> >>
>> >> I've tried Sonotube (found some at Home Depot!) But I really needed a
>> >> metal, or plastic surface.
>> >> Any other suggestions?
>> >>
>> >> So Alberto, once you get it, how are you gonna cut it?
>> >> I've worked with 12 inch PVC in the past- and let's say, for me- getting a
>> >> smooth even cut was a challenge.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Carl Leonard
>> >> http://www.robotcast.com
>> >> Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com <mailto:alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
>> >>> (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
>> >>> project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
>> >>> would work nicely.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks!
>> >>>
>> >>> A
>> >>> ........................................................................
>> >>> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>> >>> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>> >>> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
>> >>> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>> >>> ........................................................................
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ........................................................................
>> >> .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>> >> ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>> >> ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
>> >> ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>> >> ........................................................................
>> >
>> >
>> > ........................................................................
>> > .......dorkbot dc: people doing strange things with electricity.........
>> > ................... http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotdc .......................
>> > ................... ? SUBSCRIPTION MANAGEMENT ? ?.......................
>> > ........ http://dorkbot.org/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotdc-blabber ........
>> > ........................................................................
>> >
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:04:12 -0400
>> From: Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com <mailto:alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [dorkbotdc-blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
>> To: dorkbotdc-blabber at dorkbot.org <mailto:dorkbotdc-blabber at dorkbot.org>
>> Cc: HacDCBlabber <blabber at hacdc.org <mailto:blabber at hacdc.org>>
>> Message-ID: <4AE7442C.3060004 at gmail.com <mailto:4AE7442C.3060004 at gmail.com>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> I'm going with Sonotube for now. Home Despot has them pre-cut for <$10
>> for a 4-ft length @10" ID.
>>
>> Carl, you can cut PVC with a PVC cutter! :) A friend has the tools to do
>> that. Let me know if you ever need it.
>>
>> Bending sheet metal is also a special tool situation so I've decided
>> against it, in the short term. Ventilation ducts might work but they
>> ding so easily...
>>
>> Thanks everyone!
>>
>> A
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/27/09 2:39 PM, Minister of Intelligence wrote:
>> > Hey! I'd like to second Alberto's request
>> > 
>> > - for obvious reasons I could use some similar tube.  ;  ))
>> >  10 -16 inches for me.
>> > 
>> > I've tried Sonotube (found some at Home Depot!) But I really needed a
>> > metal, or plastic surface.
>> > Any other suggestions?
>> > 
>> > So Alberto, once you get it, how are you gonna cut it?
>> > I've worked with 12 inch PVC in the past- and let's say, for me- getting
>> > a smooth even cut was a challenge.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Carl Leonard
>> > http://www.robotcast.com
>> > Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Alberto Gait?n
>> > <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com <mailto:alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> <mailto:alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > 
>> >     Anyone know of a local (DC metro) source for relatively lightweight
>> >     (3/8"?) 10" internal diameter pipe/tube? I need about 4 feet of it for a
>> >     project and am having trouble finding them that wide. PVC or sheet metal
>> >     would work nicely.
>> > 
>> >     Thanks!
>> > 
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From alberto.gaitan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 10:09:56 2009
From: alberto.gaitan at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alberto_Gait=E1n?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:09:56 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] [HacDC:Blabber] 10" internal diameter tube
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8.4 lbs isn't bad. We're going with it for the short term. The .mil
surplus sounds like a winner and i'll hunt for some.

Thanks a LOT, Jason!

A




On 10/28/09 8:48 AM, Jason Schlauch wrote:
> I found some specs for Sonotube
> (http://www.meridiantelescopes.com/images/sonotube/sonotubespecs.htm):
> 10" Sonotube is 2.1 lbs/ft.
> 
> I also found a table of weight/ft for PVC pipe
> (http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/pvc-cpvc-pipes-dimensions-d_795.html).
>  10" Schedule 40 pipe is 7.55 lbs/ft, not counting end caps.
> 
> I find that the "curl memory" of paper is proportional to its
> thickness.  You might want to experiment with rolling paper to
> different diameters for a set period of time before you commit to a
> tube size.  You could make square shape mock-ups from cardboard for
> testing (the length of each side will equal the diameter of the
> proposed tube).
> 
> Finally, it's along shot, but you might find some piece of military
> surplus that fits your needs.  It's a little short of the mark but
> I've seen 12x6x31" boxes for $10 or so.  The up side is that the boxes
> are designed to be carried and they're mil-spec weather tight.
> 
> Good luck
> jason
> 
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Alberto Gait?n
> <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> transporting giant photographs and don't want them to get too curly.
>> Also, because they'll only be in there for a little while (couple of
>> hours) and wrapped in glassene, I don't worry about archival.
>>
>> Is sonotube heavy?
>>
>> A
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/27/09 9:41 PM, Jason Schlauch wrote:
>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Alberto Gait?n
>>> <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> My project is creating a portfolio tube to carry large format (< 48" x
>>>> whatever) flat art safely. The quality tubes sold for that purpose are
>>>> upwards of $125.
>>> Ah.  I know what you're talking about (I have a fairly cheap version, actually).
>>>
>>> Are you sure you need a ~10" tube?  If you keep it to 4" your life
>>> will be much easier on many fronts.  You'll also be able to purchase
>>> end caps off the shelf of any big box store.
>>>
>>> Also, PVC will actually be fairly heavy at that diameter and length.
>>> It's also not archival, if that matters to you.
>>>
>>> I would go for something that's fairly thin wall.
>>>
>>>> I'll need to weatherproof it and cap it somehow. Your comments help.
>>>>
>>>> More as it happens,
>>>>
>>>> Alberto
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/27/09 5:18 PM, Jason Schlauch wrote:
>>>>> Here's a link to a page on commercial large pipe tools.  It might be
>>>>> inspirado for a DIY rig:
>>>>> http://www.reedmfgco.com/index.html?screen=large_diameter_pipe_tools
>>>>>
>>>>> You might also CAREFULLY use a table saw with a purpose built jig to
>>>>> do the increasing-depth score cut thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Depending on your application (which is still a mystery to me at this
>>>>> point) you might just scrap the whole "cut straight ends" angle and
>>>>> cut rough ends that are made straight by attaching couplers/flanges to
>>>>> the end with PVC glue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or you could rough cut the end and finish it on a router table (again,
>>>>> be careful).
>>>>>
>>>>> Or you could get a giant hose clamp, wrap it around sonotube/PVC, and
>>>>> use it as a straightedge for a blade cut.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Minister of Intelligence
>>>>> <robominister at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Alberto,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I need a tube of that diameter, typically it needs a really straight
>>>>>> crisp edge.
>>>>>> I used a hand electric jigsaw and a drawn line- and what resulted, let me
>>>>>> tell you- NOT CRISP!!
>>>>>> I didn't seal it/treat it- other than a sturdy band of duct tape which
>>>>>> ringed the edge.
>>>>>> But sealing it with some kind of adhesive really might have worked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You starting to get the picture here?
>>>>>> Jaggedly cut, powdery tube, ringed with duct tape- that was unrolling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stylish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uh, yeah- I had to go with plan B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What Jason suggested was what I had in mind- seems like there should be some
>>>>>> sort of rotating assembly with stationary cutter that would give me the edge
>>>>>> I'm looking for. Or maybe some kind of belt with a cutter that you'd wind
>>>>>> around and clamp down. How do plumbers on industrial sites or out in the
>>>>>> field get that 10 and 12 inch PVC cut so straight?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also really like the peel-away fiberglass option, very interesting!
>>>>>> Thanks Jason,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but, what are these words "intended purpose" he spoke of?
>>>>>> Never heard of that before..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.robotcast.com
>>>>>> Robotcast: The video podcast for robotics hobbyists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Alberto Gait?n <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hmm, you're probably right about the bandsaw, I haven't seen it...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like the fiberglass idea, Jason, but will try the PVA solution first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/27/09 4:03 PM, Jason Schlauch wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Alberto Gait?n
>>>>>>>> <alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I was thinking bandsaw, Carl. A friend has a nice handheld one.
>>>>>>>> Unless it's the kind of band saw designed to rip tree trunks
>>>>>>>> porta-bands are usually limited to 4" or so.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You might have to make a jig to get a perfect cut.  I'm imagining
>>>>>>>> something that rolls the tube and a stationary tool that makes a score
>>>>>>>> of increasing depth (like a mounted dremel).  Kind of like a copper
>>>>>>>> pipe cutter but on a giant scale.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm going to polyurethane or otherwise seal the Sonotube to resist
>>>>>>>>> peeling and make it somewhat weather resistant. Did you treat yours in
>>>>>>>>> any way?
>>>>>>>> I believe the sonotube is supposed to peel away so you can expose the
>>>>>>>> concrete footer inside (if you're using it for its "intended"
>>>>>>>> purpose).  You could try a wash of something like PVA glue (cheap).
>>>>>>>> Or fiberglass the outside.  Or fiberglass the inside and peel it away.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --jason
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From polivka at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 11:01:34 2009
From: polivka at gmail.com (David Polivka)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:01:34 -0400
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For future reference, from a telescope list:

http://www.yazoomills.com/mailing-tubes/heavy-duty-kraft.aspx

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Alberto Gait?n
<alberto.gaitan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 8.4 lbs isn't bad. We're going with it for the short term. The .mil
> surplus sounds like a winner and i'll hunt for some.

From jason.schlauch at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 08:43:53 2009
From: jason.schlauch at gmail.com (Jason Schlauch)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:43:53 -0400
Subject: [dorkbotdc-blabber] NeXTstation for sale
Message-ID: <a7c732710910300543s791f0d04o723c2f2f736fec81@mail.gmail.com>

I recently moved offices and realized that my NeXTstation
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXTstation) is simply too bulky to keep
around as a novelty.  So I'm offering it for sale.  I'd like to get
$100/OBO for everything listed below:

2x NeXTstation slabs.  These are both vanilla slabs (as opposed to the
Turbo or color slabs).  Both work and have hard drives and memory.
There is an OS loaded on both but I'm sorry to say that I don't have
the NeXTstep install media.
1x NeXT mono monitor.  Like most NeXT monitors this has lost some of
its pep but it's not completely dead.
1x Keyboard
1x Mouse
1x Video/power cord.

Please reply to me off-list if you're interested.  Thanks,
jason