OO sweet, someone teach me AVR ASM! I would love to reverse some AVRs. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Daniel Klaussen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:daniel@klaussen.com">daniel@klaussen.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Teach them ATMEL AVR assembly and put them to good use!<br>
<br>
Create an application for an Andriod phone. Get dirty and learn to<br>
modify one of the device drivers or kernel components.<br>
<br>
Create and voicexml voice game hosted on voxeo (free to prototype) and<br>
served up with the google app engine (scales BIG from day one.) This<br>
is the kind of thing their peers will be blown away by. "Here, dial<br>
this number and play this really cool game I wrote last weekend." The<br>
phone is the new PC.<br>
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On May 9, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Alberto Gaitán wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hear hear!<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 5/9/09 8:25 AM, R. Mark Adams, Ph.D. wrote:<br>
>> >Does anyone really want a return to the 70's?<br>
>> ><br>
>> Well, given skyrocketing gas prices, a major recession, and what<br>
>> looks likely to be the (finally) end of an unpopular war, I think<br>
>> we are already there... :-)<br>
>> I, for one, look back on my days learning to program in machine<br>
>> language on a 6502-based single-board KIM-1 with real fondness. In<br>
>> fact, so much so that my two girls are learning how a computer<br>
>> works using a very similar 6800-based Heathkit "Learning<br>
>> Microprocessors" system. What a way to _really_ understand what is<br>
>> going on in that darn beige box!<br>
>> In may ways, the loss of that kind of deep connection with the<br>
>> hardware is a major blow to general computer education, IMHO.<br>
>> Thanks!<br>
>> -Mark<br>
>> Alberto Gaitan wrote:<br>
>>> Well, thanks for the mildly condescending, if entertaining,<br>
>>> rebuff. :-)<br>
>>><br>
>>> This message was originally posted to DorkbotDC's Blabber list. The<br>
>>> questioner is an artist, not an engineer. The whole point of the<br>
>>> piece<br>
>>> he's creating is to repurpose crusty old tech. In his case he's not<br>
>>> revisiting anything. He's coming to it fresh and looking to those<br>
>>> that<br>
>>> have been there, have the tee shirt, and skipped the 30-year reunion<br>
>>> for a little guidance. Art does not need to be useful, unlike<br>
>>> engineering so I understand if his motivation is potentially<br>
>>> misunderstood by some.<br>
>>><br>
>>> If you've burned out staring at (poorly?) disassembled ROMs, then<br>
>>> you're not the Yoda he's looking for. I forwarded it to the HacDC<br>
>>> list<br>
>>> in case there was anyone here that could help.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks for the bandwidth,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Alberto<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Daniel R. Haney<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:std@salvarsan.org">std@salvarsan.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> (cough!)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Gentlemen,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I started programming in Z80 assembly language when it was current<br>
>>>> and I enjoyed it.<br>
>>>> In late 70's and early 80's technology, Z80asm was apt.<br>
>>>> The world moved past it.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Does anyone really want a return to the 70's?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> (crickets)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> While it's amusing to see hand-crufted return address munging<br>
>>>> in 8-bit code or note that the disassembler missed a data phase<br>
>>>> and emitted three consecutive ops where the accumulator is<br>
>>>> Xor'd with itself ... no thanks.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, skipped the 30 year<br>
>>>> reunion.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> -drh<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Andrew Q Righter wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I'm guessing you never coded a Tetris-style game or Physics<br>
>>>> answers into<br>
>>>> your little TI calculator. That was ... well 10 years ago now for<br>
>>>> me. (holy<br>
>>>> shit I'm old)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> -Q<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Dan Barlow<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:dan.r.barlow@gmail.com">dan.r.barlow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Jason Duerstock <<a href="mailto:evilmoo%2Bhacdc@gmail.com">evilmoo+hacdc@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> I do not think that means what you think it means.<br>
>>>>>> Jason<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Daniel R. Haney <<a href="mailto:std@salvarsan.org">std@salvarsan.org</a><br>
>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> Is anyone else here surprised by the recrudescence of 30 yr<br>
>>>>>>> old Z-80<br>
>>>>>>> assembly language?<br>
>>>>> Damn kids! Get off my lawn! :)<br>
>>>>> -Dan Barlow (learned to program on a teletype with punched tape<br>
>>>>> storage)<br>
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