[dorkbotpdx-blabber] newb

Donald Delmar Davis don at defazio.digithink.com
Wed Jan 31 18:06:14 EST 2007


The OSX people love eclipse. As the maintainer of osx-avr I get LOTS  
of requests for eclipse integration (even thought x-code is really a  
more appropriate platform).


On Jan 31, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Jared Boone wrote:

> Code Composer Studio (CCS) is Windows only. CCS is Eclipse-based,  
> so most of it (the plug-ins) should run on any Eclipse-supported  
> OS. There is an MSP version of gcc/gas/gdb that runs on *nix and  
> Windows, but I'm pretty sure it's *not* the same toolchain TI ships  
> in the Code Composer Studio (CCS). I used the GCC toolchain with  
> Eclipse for a while, so I know it works well. But it does require  
> some careful setup. (And it's kinda wierd running remote gdb  
> against a microcontroller the size of Cheerio.)
>
> And yes, before somebody makes a snarky comment, Eclipse does seem  
> like overkill for a microcontroller development environment. But it  
> works, it's familiar (I use it at work), and it's free, so who am I  
> to complain?
>
>     - Jared
>
> Donald Delmar Davis wrote:
>> Cool!
>>
>> Is the c compier platform bound?
>>
>> (I only run windows on my phone because I couldn't afford a treo)
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2007, at 2:31 PM, Jared Boone wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not trying to sell anyone on the MSPs, but I do like them.  
>>> They work
>>> very well for what I want to do, especially:
>>>
>>>     - low power consumption while maintaining a watchdog for  
>>> periodic
>>> wake-up (they wake up in 1-2 microseconds)
>>>     - voltage range compatible with small lithium coin batteries or
>>> standard AA or AAA batteries
>>>     - very compact (I really enjoy making small things, and  
>>> besides, I
>>> was committed
>>>       to working with small parts when I start working with  
>>> 2.4GHz RF)
>>>     - cheap development tools -- I bought five of their USB
>>> programmer/development boards for $15 each!
>>>     - no page registers -- I hate working with the old 8051 and  
>>> PICs and
>>> having to fiddle around with paging stuff.
>>>
>>> I imagine this is a set of requirements that other Dorks mostly  
>>> don't
>>> care about.
>>>
>>> There are some MSP430 DIPs available. I'm actually using one in  
>>> my clock
>>> project. But it's true that the bigger, more capable 430s are not
>>> available as DIPs. As for the small memory, that's not been a  
>>> problem
>>> for me -- yet. I'm using the free TI Code Composer Studio, which  
>>> has a C
>>> compiler that will compile up to 8K of code. I've been impressed by
>>> assembly it turns out -- probably tighter than I could ever hope  
>>> to code
>>> myself. This is partly because the 430s were designed from the  
>>> beginning
>>> to be C-oriented -- especially in the number of registers they have
>>> available (16 x 16bits), and stack-friendly addressing modes  
>>> available
>>> with the instruction set. As an example, my clock project (written
>>> entirely in C) fits comfortably in the 1K space of the cheapest  
>>> 430 I
>>> could buy.
>>>
>>> So you're interested in RFID and related stuff? I can bring along my
>>> collection of tags tonight, if I have time to grab them between  
>>> work,
>>> dinner, and Dorkbot...
>>>
>>>     - Jared
>>>
>>> Donald Delmar Davis wrote:
>>>> Jared,
>>>>
>>>> This is really nice!
>>>>
>>>> There are a couple caviets to the msp430s at least one of which you
>>>> meantion in you I am crazy entry, otherwise I would certainly  
>>>> use them.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Small memory.
>>>> 2. No dips.
>>>>
>>>> You can program a $1.50 avr tiny45 in c as it has enough room for a
>>>> stack, and you can breadboard the whole family untill you get  
>>>> into the
>>>> 128s. Also this group has  a mixed level of skills so you get  
>>>> people
>>>> using the Arduino to do their first projects (I use mine a lot to
>>>> rabid prototype before rewriting in c) so there are some other  
>>>> reasons
>>>> why the avr comes up a lot.
>>>>
>>>> I would REALLY like to talk more about the RF stuff down the page.
>>>>
>>>> Hope you can make it today.
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