From may.justin at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 22:08:35 2009 From: may.justin at gmail.com (Justin May) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:08:35 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] MIDI input ridiculousness Message-ID: For a couple years now I've been tinkering with the idea of building my own synth. I have yet to get past the MIDI input stage for this reason: the MIDI coming out of my computer's interface (SB Live MPU dealy) works fine, but inptu coming form my drum machine or midi controller continuously sends erroneous data, consisting of mostly 1's with a couple 0's here and there. This problem has cropped up in every incarnation of my project. I started with a BasicX chip (slow piece of crap) hooked to an SPI UART (the Max3100 with a 4Mhz crystal) and this same behavior was observed. I then moved on to the Arduino (a Dorkboard). I used the same Max3100 SPI UART and got the same thing. So now I'm using the onboard serial port on the Arduino and am still getting this same behaviour. My computer's MIDI port works great, but my midi controller and drum machine just end up sending a bunch of garbage. I've also used 3 different kinds of 6N138 opto-isolators and nothing changed (used this circuit: http://www.arduino.cc/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1159290285/4). I then switched to a PC900 opto-isolator and am still getting the same rubbish. I am using the same circuits that a lot of other people on the net are using without problem, but for some reason I continuously get the same problem. I've even moved my circuit to a different bread board to no avail. Has anyone successfully gotten MIDI input working with several different devices? Am I falling into some common trap that nobody on the Internet talks about? Any guidence on this issue would be much appreciated. Thanks, Justin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091001/e17efdb5/attachment-0001.html From krux at thcnet.net Thu Oct 1 22:34:59 2009 From: krux at thcnet.net (krux at thcnet.net) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] DBPCB Fabrication Trial Run (Free! New due-date!) In-Reply-To: References: <6b1e38ba-4cc5-4319-9b1b-09cbb73ec85d@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Being in Vegas, I'm not exactly local, but if you could include a couple copies of this board in your test run for the vegas dorkbot (http://dorkbotlv.org), and mail them that'd be cool. http://unsynchronized.org/ninjabadge/defcon-ninja-docs.zip Jeff On Sun, 27 Sep 2009, Laen wrote: > Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:40:38 -0700 (PDT) > From: Laen > Reply-To: "A discussion list for dorkbot-pdx (portland, or)" > > To: dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > Subject: Re: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] DBPCB Fabrication Trial Run (Free! New > due-date!) > > Just to make sure everyone was clear on this, since it was kind of > buried in my original email: > > This order is FREE. I want to figure out how many people are > interested, and how much work it'll be to turn this into a monthly > offering. To do that, I need your boards. Your sweet, sweet, > boards. Mmmm... > > Also, I'm pushing back the due-date to October 5th to give everyone > more time to submit designs. They'll still be here by the October > 12th general meeting. > > If you're out of area, or can't commit to being at the October 12th > meeting, send me your designs anyway. I can postal mail them to you. > > Again, the quick and dirty design rules are: > 8 mil traces. > 8 mil clearances. > 20 mil drills. > top-side silkscreen. > Soldermask on both sides. > > Thanks! > -Laen > > On Sep 16, 1:58?pm, Laen wrote: > > As some of you know, we've been working on setting up a prototype PCB > > fabrication service for Portland's electronics artists, builders, and > > makers of things. ?This should be much like Sparkfun's BatchPCB > > service, except cheaper, and produced domestically. > > > > Well, good news, everyone! We're ready to do a trial run! > > > > To participate, just email me an Eagle .brd and tell me how many of > > copies you'd want if you had to pay $2.50 per square inch. ?(When this > > goes live, our actual pricing may be different, but for now pretend > > it's $2.50). > > > > Because we've never done this before and have no idea how it's going > > to turn out, this order will be free of charge, so PLEASE submit a > > board if you have something you want fabbed. ?I want to get a sense > > for the sizes of the boards, how efficiently we'll be able to > > panelize, and how popular the service is likely to be. > > > > You have until October 1st to place your order, and they'll be ready > > for pickup at the October 12th Dorkbot general meeting. ?If you won't > > be there, we can arrange for postal mail delivery. > > > > If you're using eagle, please use this DRU file (and email me or the > > dorkbotpdx-blabber list if you don't know what that means and want > > help setting it up): > > > > ?http://content.laen.org/dbpcb/DBPCB.dru > > > > Capabilities: > > ? 8 mil minimum traces. > > ? 8 mil minimum clearances. > > ? 20 mil minimum drill size > > > > -Laen > > _______________________________________________ > > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.orghttp://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > perl -e 's++=END;++y(;-P)}\n?k++=;<+xru}?print:??;' From james.neal at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 14:57:47 2009 From: james.neal at gmail.com (Laen) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] October 5th is the next grouporder Message-ID: In this order: - Mouser! - Digikey! - All electronics! -Laen From gunterhausfrau at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 16:15:52 2009 From: gunterhausfrau at gmail.com (dan p) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:15:52 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] October 5th is the next grouporder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e6971a90910021315q6fc08721o9b01f2680864bd91@mail.gmail.com> Qty 20 , All electronics, CAT# SOL-118, MINIATURE PUSH-TYPE SOLENOID , $1.2 per Qty 1 , All electronics, CAT# SAW-3, SAW 3 DIGITAL VOICE RECORDER, $2 per Qty 40, All electronics, CAT#1N4004, RECT DIODE 1AMP/400PIV, $0.11 per thx. Dan. On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Laen wrote: > In this order: > > - Mouser! > - Digikey! > - All electronics! > > -Laen > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091002/7be606ed/attachment.html From jared at deathbyhonor.com Sat Oct 3 19:37:04 2009 From: jared at deathbyhonor.com (Jared Arave) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:37:04 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] MIDI input ridiculousness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b97fc180910031637u729c7d54ycb33ee04a1f04499@mail.gmail.com> The first thing that came to mind was that perhaps your drum machine's sending sync info, and your DAW isn't. Also, I don't know what your code looks like, but I've had really good luck with thisMIDI library; plays nice with all my MIDI devices. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Justin May wrote: > For a couple years now I've been tinkering with the idea of building my own > synth. I have yet to get past the MIDI input stage for this reason: the MIDI > coming out of my computer's interface (SB Live MPU dealy) works fine, but > inptu coming form my drum machine or midi controller continuously sends > erroneous data, consisting of mostly 1's with a couple 0's here and there. > > This problem has cropped up in every incarnation of my project. I started > with a BasicX chip (slow piece of crap) hooked to an SPI UART (the Max3100 > with a 4Mhz crystal) and this same behavior was observed. I then moved on to > the Arduino (a Dorkboard). I used the same Max3100 SPI UART and got the same > thing. So now I'm using the onboard serial port on the Arduino and am still > getting this same behaviour. My computer's MIDI port works great, but my > midi controller and drum machine just end up sending a bunch of garbage. > > I've also used 3 different kinds of 6N138 opto-isolators and nothing > changed (used this circuit: > http://www.arduino.cc/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1159290285/4). I then > switched to a PC900 opto-isolator and am still getting the same rubbish. I > am using the same circuits that a lot of other people on the net are using > without problem, but for some reason I continuously get the same problem. > I've even moved my circuit to a different bread board to no avail. > > Has anyone successfully gotten MIDI input working with several different > devices? Am I falling into some common trap that nobody on the Internet > talks about? Any guidence on this issue would be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091003/c9a1a1c4/attachment.html From ward at c2.com Sun Oct 4 19:22:32 2009 From: ward at c2.com (Ward Cunningham) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:22:32 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] The Making of Codosome Hexis Message-ID: <4ABFFEC3-7E39-4F1D-961E-5218738EA3EE@c2.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFPcui0zxTU Friends -- This three minute video tries to thank all of you that created a fun place for Jim and I to fool around and call it art. Please forgive my blundering pronunciations. Best regards. -- Ward __________________ Ward Cunningham 503-432-5682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091004/9cf655c5/attachment.html From coldham2 at mac.com Sun Oct 4 22:40:16 2009 From: coldham2 at mac.com (coldham2 at mac.com) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:40:16 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] The Making of Codosome Hexis In-Reply-To: <4ABFFEC3-7E39-4F1D-961E-5218738EA3EE@c2.com> References: <4ABFFEC3-7E39-4F1D-961E-5218738EA3EE@c2.com> Message-ID: That was really cool! On Oct 4, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Ward Cunningham wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFPcui0zxTU > > Friends -- This three minute video tries to thank all of you that > created a fun place for Jim and I to fool around and call it art. > Please forgive my blundering pronunciations. Best regards. -- Ward > > __________________ > Ward Cunningham > 503-432-5682 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091004/632745f3/attachment-0001.html From jmejia at tffenterprises.com Mon Oct 5 03:38:18 2009 From: jmejia at tffenterprises.com (Jesse Mejia) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:38:18 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] October 5th is the next grouporder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mouser 317-2202F-50K 50k pot - $2.69 (4) Mouser 317-2102F-1M 1M audio pot - $2.69 (4) Mouser 140-XRL25V0.47-RC 0.47u cap -0.06 (10) Mouser 140-XRL50V0.22-RC 0.22u cap - 0.06 (10) Mouser 595-CD4049UBEE4 4049 Hex Buffer - $0.53 (2) Mouser 512-2N3904TAR 2n3904 NPN transistor $0.06 (10) All Electronics: PE-49 Piezo - $0.75 (2) BST-3 9v battery holder 4 for $1 NMH-9BC 9v battery charger + 2 recharchable 9v's $8.00 ALG-28 alligator clip assortment $4.95 LM386N $.89 (2) Thanks! -Jesse On Oct 2, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Laen wrote: > In this order: > > - Mouser! > - Digikey! > - All electronics! > > -Laen > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From jesse at lonelyrhinoceros.com Mon Oct 5 13:36:02 2009 From: jesse at lonelyrhinoceros.com (Jesse Michael) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:36:02 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] October 5th is the next grouporder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091005173601.GA12643@host27.linode.com> On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 11:57:47AM -0700, Laen wrote: > In this order: > > - Mouser! I'd like to get this stuff from Mouser: Qty 5, 538-39880-0302, Eurostyle Terminal Blocks 2 CKT TERM. BLOCK 5.08mm, $0.46 each Qty 5, 538-39880-0303, Eurostyle Terminal Blocks 3 CKT TERM. BLOCK 5.08mm, $0.79 each Qty 100, 80-C410C104K5R-TR, Ceramic Capacitors 50volts .1uF 10%, $0.05 each Qty 100, 140-XRL10V100-RC, Radial Electrolytic Capacitors 10V 100uF 20%, $0.047 each Thanks, -Jesse From paul at pjrc.com Mon Oct 5 17:34:33 2009 From: paul at pjrc.com (Paul Stoffregen) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:34:33 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Workshop tonight @ 7pm Message-ID: <4ACA6669.9040209@pjrc.com> The Getting Started With Microcontrollers workshop is tonight at 7pm, at Techshop (10100 SW Allen Blvd, Beaverton OR 97005). We'll be in the upstairs area. There are still a few seats (and parts sets) available. If you're thinking about coming by, please call me on my cell at 971-221-5306 between 5-6:30pm to check if there's still room. Cost is $10 to $40 depending on which items you need. We can only accept cash in person. This workshop is targeted at beginners. If you've been intending to learn how to use a microcontroller someday, or you purchased an Arduino and never put it to use, or you completed the Arduino Cult Induction and but never did anything with your Dorkboard... then this workshop is for you! -Paul From alex at x37v.info Mon Oct 5 19:35:43 2009 From: alex at x37v.info (Alex Norman) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:35:43 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] October 5th is the next grouporder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091005233543.GK9295@silverninja.net> Mouser: 2, 511-LD1117V33, Low Drop Voltage Regulators/Drivers 3.3V 0.8A Positive, $0.37 2, 556-A90USB647-16AU, Microcontrollers - RISC AVR USB OTG 64K FLASH IND 5V, $11.87 2, 798-UX60-MB-5ST, USB Connectors and Assemblies MINI B RECEPT RA SMT W/ POST, $1.18 Digikey: 20, BC1001CT-ND, CAP 10PF 50V CERAMIC C0G 5%, $0.07600 10, BC1151CT-ND, CAP 1.0UF 25V CERAMIC +80/-20%, $0.17800 20, BC1084CT-ND, CAP .10UF 50V CERAMIC X7R 10%, $0.08100 20, P22BACT-ND, RES 22 OHM CARBON FILM 1/4W 5%, $0.07800 -Alex On 0, Laen wrote: > In this order: > > - Mouser! > - Digikey! > - All electronics! > > -Laen > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > From jmejia at tffenterprises.com Mon Oct 5 19:46:38 2009 From: jmejia at tffenterprises.com (Jesse Mejia) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:46:38 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] October 5th is the next grouporder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have one more allelectronics thing to add on if possible: CAT# NMH-SA NIMH AAA batteries $1.05 QTY 10 Thanks! -Jesse On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Laen wrote: > In this order: > > - Mouser! > - Digikey! > - All electronics! > > -Laen > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From dausmus at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 19:51:44 2009 From: dausmus at gmail.com (Doug Ausmus) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:51:44 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] October 5th is the next grouporder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <307640010910051651u5adba285icb42647f559d735a@mail.gmail.com> Are the orders going out still today or first thing in the morning? -Doug On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Jesse Mejia wrote: > I have one more allelectronics thing to add on if possible: > > CAT# NMH-SA NIMH AAA batteries $1.05 QTY 10 > > Thanks! > > -Jesse > > On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:57:47 -0700 (PDT) > Laen wrote: > > In this order: > > > > - Mouser! > > - Digikey! > > - All electronics! > > > > -Laen > > _______________________________________________ > > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks!!! -jason From gepr at tempusdictum.com Mon Oct 5 20:04:34 2009 From: gepr at tempusdictum.com (glen e. p. ropella) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:04:34 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [dorkbotsea-blabber] Metrix In-Reply-To: <0549C030-4572-4B11-AC05-9C72D39EECBA@grauwald.com> References: <4AC96A6A.3050403@yahoo.com> <4A1074AE-AA5C-4F5E-A99E-4A6E53A086E0@grauwald.com> <0549C030-4572-4B11-AC05-9C72D39EECBA@grauwald.com> Message-ID: <4ACA8992.8050205@tempusdictum.com> Forwarding the relevant snippets of an interesting thread about Metrix in Seattle: http://metrixcreatespace.com An electronics parts vending machine is an awesome idea. We should buy some, repurpose them, stock them, and find venues where they might see traffic (e.g. TechShop or Backspace). I'm thinking one of those with the chrome spirals... a cigarette machine might work; but it's cooler to see the product slide out of the slot and fall. Thus spake Joseph Gray circa 09-10-05 09:22 AM: > Oh, and they have a vending machine with Arduinos in it... >>> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009, Josh Kopel wrote: >>>> http://metrixcreatespace.com/ -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com From james.neal at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 20:12:35 2009 From: james.neal at gmail.com (Laen) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] October 5th is the next grouporder In-Reply-To: <307640010910051651u5adba285icb42647f559d735a@mail.gmail.com> References: <307640010910051651u5adba285icb42647f559d735a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 5pm is generally the cut-off time. I'll be placing this one tomorrow morning, so as long as you get it to me by 6AM, it should be fine. -Laen On Oct 5, 4:51?pm, Doug Ausmus wrote: > Are the orders going out still today or first thing in the morning? > > -Doug > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Jesse Mejia wrote: > > > I have one more allelectronics thing to add on if possible: > > > CAT# NMH-SA NIMH AAA batteries $1.05 QTY 10 > > > Thanks! > > > -Jesse > > > On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:57:47 -0700 (PDT) > > ? Laen wrote: > > > In this order: > > > > ?- Mouser! > > > ?- Digikey! > > > ?- All electronics! > > > > -Laen > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > > > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.org > > >http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > > _______________________________________________ > > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.org > >http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.orghttp://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From thomas at lockney.net Mon Oct 5 21:04:38 2009 From: thomas at lockney.net (Thomas Lockney) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:04:38 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [dorkbotsea-blabber] Metrix In-Reply-To: <4ACA8992.8050205@tempusdictum.com> References: <4AC96A6A.3050403@yahoo.com> <4A1074AE-AA5C-4F5E-A99E-4A6E53A086E0@grauwald.com> <0549C030-4572-4B11-AC05-9C72D39EECBA@grauwald.com> <4ACA8992.8050205@tempusdictum.com> Message-ID: <7a05808a0910051804o58c9a5a2y8f11e4ca0dd78f2f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:04 PM, glen e. p. ropella wrote: > > Forwarding the relevant snippets of an interesting thread about Metrix > in Seattle: > > http://metrixcreatespace.com > Funny, I was just reading the thread on dorkbotsea-blabber and thinking, "man, I really need to forward this along to dorkbotpdx." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All Electronics 2 X 40 PINS SNAPPABLE HEADERS CAT# DHS-40 QTY 5 Digikey 25 LM386N-4-NDIC AMP AUDIO PWR 1W MONO AB 8DIP00.74240$18.56 100 475-2560-1-NDLED CHIPLED 588NM YLW 0805 SMD00.05470$5.47 100 RHM10KARCT-NDRES 10K OHM 1/8W 5% 0805 SMD00.02380$2.38 200 RHM220ACT-NDRES 220 OHM 1/8W 5% 0805 SMD00.02385$4.77 100 RHM22ACT-NDRES 22 OHM 1/8W 5% 0805 SMD00.04160$4.16 100 399-1284-1-NDCAP 1.0UF 16V CERAMIC X7R 080500.05590$5.59 100 399-1113-1-NDCAP CERAMIC 22PF 50V NP0 080500.05720$5.72 100 PCC2232CT-NDCAP 4.7UF 16V CERAMIC F 080500.16180$16.18 20 535-9071-1-NDCRYSTAL 16.000MHZ 18PF FUND SMD00.48800$9.76 Mouser Mouser #: 688-SKQGAB Mfr. #: SKQGABE010 Desc.: SMD Tactile Switches 5.2x5.2x1.5mm 160gf RoHS: RoHS Compliant QTY 30 On Oct 5, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Jesse Mejia wrote: > I have one more allelectronics thing to add on if possible: > > CAT# NMH-SA NIMH AAA batteries $1.05 QTY 10 > > Thanks! > > -Jesse > > On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:57:47 -0700 (PDT) > Laen wrote: >> In this order: >> >> - Mouser! >> - Digikey! >> - All electronics! >> >> -Laen >> _______________________________________________ >> dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list >> dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org >> http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jesse From coldham2 at mac.com Sat Oct 10 13:04:00 2009 From: coldham2 at mac.com (coldham2 at mac.com) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:04:00 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] radio trowel help Message-ID: <133C2E25-397A-4852-BF13-8D7504AD8F79@mac.com> Hi all! I went over to the ON gallery friday to tune up my capacitive sensing circuit (it started punking out toward the end of thursday's melee,) and my dang oscilloscope wouldn't read a voltage. If one of you fine people could bring a scope to monday's meeting, perhaps we could sneak over to the gallery for a bit for a tune up. Then my piece will work better, and the magic secrets of capacitive sensing will be revealed! yours truly, Collin From jluciani at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 20:27:48 2009 From: jluciani at gmail.com (John Luciani) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:27:48 -0400 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Sanguino + New Design + Altoids Message-ID: <608bfe540910111727m28e8f005h9e8266aed7925b4b@mail.gmail.com> I just installed the Sanguino software add-ons to my arduino-0017 installation. Very quick install and it WORKS! The couple steps I did are listed at http://tinyurl.com/yjcvgj6 The Arduino and Sanguino crew have done quite a nice job on these tools. I just finished a prototype for a new board I am working on -- NB2A which is '644+RTC+DAC+Altoids. I used the Arduino+Sanguino setup and my RTC and DAC libraries to write a couple '644 apps. The DAC and RTC applications are listed in the "Applications Hints" section at http://tinyurl.com/ykp9ocd The sparsely doxygenated documentation is under the "Libraries" section. (* jcl *) --------------------------------------- www: http://www.wiblocks.com twitter: http://twitter.com/wiblocks blog: http://luciani.org From gunterhausfrau at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 13:37:53 2009 From: gunterhausfrau at gmail.com (dan p) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:37:53 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] October 5th is the next grouporder In-Reply-To: <80F1BED2-3AA6-4C15-BE08-3C894D8A405E@gmail.com> References: <80F1BED2-3AA6-4C15-BE08-3C894D8A405E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e6971a90910121037i58f534a6q621b347fee96848a@mail.gmail.com> Just checking to see if the order from All Electronics made it? Maybe I missed the e-mail with the totals. Thanks. Dan. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Donald Delmar Davis wrote: > For TDI. > > All Electronics *2 X 40 PINS SNAPPABLE HEADERS > > *CAT# DHS-40 QTY 5 > > Digikey > > 25 LM386N-4-NDIC AMP AUDIO PWR 1W MONO AB 8DIP00.74240$18.56 > 100 475-2560-1-NDLED CHIPLED 588NM YLW 0805 SMD00.05470$5.47 > 100 RHM10KARCT-NDRES 10K OHM 1/8W 5% 0805 SMD00.02380$2.38 > 200 RHM220ACT-NDRES 220 OHM 1/8W 5% 0805 SMD00.02385$4.77 > 100 RHM22ACT-NDRES 22 OHM 1/8W 5% 0805 SMD00.04160$4.16 > 100 399-1284-1-NDCAP 1.0UF 16V CERAMIC X7R 080500.05590$5.59 > 100 399-1113-1-NDCAP CERAMIC 22PF 50V NP0 080500.05720$5.72 > 100 PCC2232CT-NDCAP 4.7UF 16V CERAMIC F 080500.16180$16.18 > 20 535-9071-1-NDCRYSTAL 16.000MHZ 18PF FUND SMD00.48800$9.76 > > Mouser > Mouser #: 688-SKQGAB Mfr. #: SKQGABE010 Desc.: SMD Tactile Switches > 5.2x5.2x1.5mm 160gf RoHS: RoHS Compliant > QTY 30 > > > On Oct 5, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Jesse Mejia wrote: > > I have one more allelectronics thing to add on if possible: > > CAT# NMH-SA NIMH AAA batteries $1.05 QTY 10 > > Thanks! > > -Jesse > > On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:57:47 -0700 (PDT) > Laen wrote: > > In this order: > > > - Mouser! > > - Digikey! > > - All electronics! > > > -Laen > > _______________________________________________ > > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091012/3832e1dd/attachment.html From jmejia at tffenterprises.com Mon Oct 12 14:34:04 2009 From: jmejia at tffenterprises.com (Jesse Mejia) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:34:04 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] High Voltage call for help (2nd attempt) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok - so I hauled it into town this morning along with a bunch of probably inappropriate tools. If anyone wants to good-sam some help my way tonight at the meeting - I'll be the guy laying on the floor - clutching a non-insulated screwdriver next to a table with a broken Eico scope on it. -Jesse On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:56:01 -0700 Jesse Mejia wrote: > > Ok - I'm gonna try again for this. Is anyone willing/able to help me > troubleshoot an oscilloscope that I'm afraid will kill me if I open >it > up? > > I have the service manual.. but 1200 volts is not territory I've >ever > traversed. > > I'd love to bring it to the informal meeting on monday if someone >has > the tools/guts/and skills to help me crack this guy open. High >voltage > work in Backspace sounds like fun. > > Any takers? > > Thanks! > > Jesse > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From dorkbot at mersenne.com Mon Oct 12 14:39:10 2009 From: dorkbot at mersenne.com (dave madden) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:39:10 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] 12 Oct 2009 Meeting: O'Scope, HV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1255372750.5115.25.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> I'll bring my 'scope down to the meeting tonight, so there'll be at least one. (40MHz analog 2-trace Kenwood). I don't know anything about HV except that it can kill 'ya, but I'd be happy to watch from a safe distance. -- David H. Madden - Mersenne Law LLC - www.mersenne.com 1500 SW First Ave. / Suite 1170 / Portland, Oregon 97201 From james.neal at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 16:48:08 2009 From: james.neal at gmail.com (Laen) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] October 5th is the next grouporder In-Reply-To: <8e6971a90910121037i58f534a6q621b347fee96848a@mail.gmail.com> References: <80F1BED2-3AA6-4C15-BE08-3C894D8A405E@gmail.com> <8e6971a90910121037i58f534a6q621b347fee96848a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sadly, the All Electronics order hasn't made it. I'll be sending out totals for the rest of the order in a few minutes. -Laen On Oct 12, 10:37?am, dan p wrote: > Just checking to see if the order from All Electronics made it? > Maybe I missed the e-mail with the totals. > > Thanks. > Dan. > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Donald Delmar Davis > wrote: > > > ?For TDI. > > > All Electronics *2 X 40 PINS SNAPPABLE HEADERS > > > > ?*CAT# DHS-40 QTY 5 > > > Digikey > > > 25 LM386N-4-NDIC AMP AUDIO PWR 1W MONO AB 8DIP00.74240$18.56 > > 100 475-2560-1-NDLED CHIPLED 588NM YLW 0805 SMD00.05470$5.47 > > 100 RHM10KARCT-NDRES 10K OHM 1/8W 5% 0805 SMD00.02380$2.38 > > 200 RHM220ACT-NDRES 220 OHM 1/8W 5% 0805 SMD00.02385$4.77 > > 100 RHM22ACT-NDRES 22 OHM 1/8W 5% 0805 SMD00.04160$4.16 > > 100 399-1284-1-NDCAP 1.0UF 16V CERAMIC X7R 080500.05590$5.59 > > 100 399-1113-1-NDCAP CERAMIC 22PF 50V NP0 080500.05720$5.72 > > 100 PCC2232CT-NDCAP 4.7UF 16V CERAMIC F 080500.16180$16.18 > > 20 535-9071-1-NDCRYSTAL 16.000MHZ 18PF FUND SMD00.48800$9.76 > > > Mouser > > ? Mouser #: 688-SKQGAB ?Mfr. #: SKQGABE010 Desc.: SMD Tactile Switches > > 5.2x5.2x1.5mm 160gf RoHS: RoHS Compliant > > QTY 30 > > > ?On Oct 5, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Jesse Mejia wrote: > > > ?I have one more allelectronics thing to add on if possible: > > > CAT# NMH-SA NIMH AAA batteries $1.05 QTY 10 > > > Thanks! > > > -Jesse > > > On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:57:47 -0700 (PDT) > > ?Laen wrote: > > > In this order: > > > - Mouser! > > > - Digikey! > > > - All electronics! > > > -Laen > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > > > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.org > > >http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > > _______________________________________________ > > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.org > >http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > > _______________________________________________ > > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.org > >http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.orghttp://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From james.neal at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 16:50:30 2009 From: james.neal at gmail.com (Laen) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] DBPCB Fabrication Trial Run In-Reply-To: <6b1e38ba-4cc5-4319-9b1b-09cbb73ec85d@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <6b1e38ba-4cc5-4319-9b1b-09cbb73ec85d@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <7a40fa17-25be-426b-ab57-e6d0eb71c298@z24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Just a note to let everyone know that the DBPCB order was delayed, and is expected to ship today for delivery by Thursday. That means I won't be handing them out until the next meeting on October 26th. If you need your boards earlier, let me know and we can arrange mailing or a handoff. -Laen On Sep 16, 1:58?pm, Laen wrote: > As some of you know, we've been working on setting up a prototype PCB > fabrication service for Portland's electronics artists, builders, and > makers of things. ?This should be much like Sparkfun's BatchPCB > service, except cheaper, and produced domestically. > > Well, good news, everyone! We're ready to do a trial run! > > To participate, just email me an Eagle .brd and tell me how many of > copies you'd want if you had to pay $2.50 per square inch. ?(When this > goes live, our actual pricing may be different, but for now pretend > it's $2.50). > > Because we've never done this before and have no idea how it's going > to turn out, this order will be free of charge, so PLEASE submit a > board if you have something you want fabbed. ?I want to get a sense > for the sizes of the boards, how efficiently we'll be able to > panelize, and how popular the service is likely to be. > > You have until October 1st to place your order, and they'll be ready > for pickup at the October 12th Dorkbot general meeting. ?If you won't > be there, we can arrange for postal mail delivery. > > If you're using eagle, please use this DRU file (and email me or the > dorkbotpdx-blabber list if you don't know what that means and want > help setting it up): > > ?http://content.laen.org/dbpcb/DBPCB.dru > > Capabilities: > ? 8 mil minimum traces. > ? 8 mil minimum clearances. > ? 20 mil minimum drill size > > -Laen > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.orghttp://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From gunterhausfrau at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 17:37:05 2009 From: gunterhausfrau at gmail.com (dan p) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:37:05 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] October 5th is the next grouporder In-Reply-To: References: <80F1BED2-3AA6-4C15-BE08-3C894D8A405E@gmail.com> <8e6971a90910121037i58f534a6q621b347fee96848a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e6971a90910121437r6e05c7aan98d054ba1c8e4600@mail.gmail.com> That's fine, no big deal on my side. I've got a few plates in the air and may or may not make it tonight. As the parts are not here, less push to get downtown. Thanks for putting this together. Dan. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Laen wrote: > Sadly, the All Electronics order hasn't made it. I'll be sending out > totals for the rest of the order in a few minutes. > > -Laen > > On Oct 12, 10:37 am, dan p wrote: > > Just checking to see if the order from All Electronics made it? > > Maybe I missed the e-mail with the totals. > > > > Thanks. > > Dan. > > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Donald Delmar Davis > > wrote: > > > > > For TDI. > > > > > All Electronics *2 X 40 PINS SNAPPABLE HEADERS > > > < > http://www.allelectronics.com/index.php?page=item&id=DHS-40&extra=a%3...> > > > *CAT# DHS-40 QTY 5 > > > > > Digikey > > > > > 25 LM386N-4-NDIC AMP AUDIO PWR 1W MONO AB 8DIP00.74240$18.56 > > > 100 475-2560-1-NDLED CHIPLED 588NM YLW 0805 SMD00.05470$5.47 > > > 100 RHM10KARCT-NDRES 10K OHM 1/8W 5% 0805 SMD00.02380$2.38 > > > 200 RHM220ACT-NDRES 220 OHM 1/8W 5% 0805 SMD00.02385$4.77 > > > 100 RHM22ACT-NDRES 22 OHM 1/8W 5% 0805 SMD00.04160$4.16 > > > 100 399-1284-1-NDCAP 1.0UF 16V CERAMIC X7R 080500.05590$5.59 > > > 100 399-1113-1-NDCAP CERAMIC 22PF 50V NP0 080500.05720$5.72 > > > 100 PCC2232CT-NDCAP 4.7UF 16V CERAMIC F 080500.16180$16.18 > > > 20 535-9071-1-NDCRYSTAL 16.000MHZ 18PF FUND SMD00.48800$9.76 > > > > > Mouser > > > Mouser #: 688-SKQGAB Mfr. #: SKQGABE010 Desc.: SMD Tactile Switches > > > 5.2x5.2x1.5mm 160gf RoHS: RoHS Compliant > > > QTY 30 > > > > > On Oct 5, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Jesse Mejia wrote: > > > > > I have one more allelectronics thing to add on if possible: > > > > > CAT# NMH-SA NIMH AAA batteries $1.05 QTY 10 > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > -Jesse > > > > > On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:57:47 -0700 (PDT) > > > Laen wrote: > > > > > In this order: > > > > > - Mouser! > > > > > - Digikey! > > > > > - All electronics! > > > > > -Laen > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > > > > > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.org > > > > >http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > > > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.org > > >http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > > > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.org > > >http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.orghttp:// > music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm playing with the benito and xbee. Any thoughts about having "projects" pages? maybe something under benito and dorkboard? Even just a list might be interesting. If I saw that someone was doing something say with benitos/dorkboards/temperature/wireless, I may drop them a line to see what they are working on, might be more condusive to sharing. I don't know about efforts involved in such things (last time I put together a website, it was pre-internet explorer/firefox, anybody remember Mosaic?) Just thought. or, maybe it is there and I'm just missing it. I do see individual's pages, but I'm thinking more project/parts based. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091013/45303f68/attachment.html From thomas at lockney.net Tue Oct 13 17:28:07 2009 From: thomas at lockney.net (Thomas Lockney) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:28:07 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] projects pages? In-Reply-To: <8e6971a90910131423g33681bc8ye54353a12b38edbe@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e6971a90910131423g33681bc8ye54353a12b38edbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a05808a0910131428h65d4769aw51312387c6028232@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:23 PM, dan p wrote: > I was looking at the dorkbot website. I'm playing with the benito and xbee. > Any thoughts about having "projects" pages? maybe something under benito and > dorkboard? Even just a list might be interesting. If I saw that someone was > doing something say with benitos/dorkboards/temperature/wireless, I may drop > them a line to see what they are working on, might be more condusive to > sharing. I don't know about efforts involved in such things (last time I put > together a website, it was pre-internet explorer/firefox, anybody remember > Mosaic?) Just thought. > > or, maybe it is there and I'm just missing it. I do see individual's pages, > but I'm thinking more project/parts based. > I don't think we have anything quite like that, but it would be a great addition. I would say we should add a top-level wiki page for it and then we could break it down in a couple way: (1) just a general list/index by project and (2) categories based on either platform/environment used (i.e., arduino/dorkboard/etc., processing, miscellaneous) and perhaps general nature (installations, artistic, etc.). Feel free to get this started -- we can clean it up and tweak the general structure as we go. If you don't have necessary perms to create the pages, let me know and I'll set you up. ~thomas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I saw that >> someone was doing something say with >> benitos/dorkboards/temperature/wireless, I may drop them a line to see what >> they are working on, might be more condusive to sharing. I don't know about >> efforts involved in such things (last time I put together a website, it was >> pre-internet explorer/firefox, anybody remember Mosaic?) Just thought. >> >> or, maybe it is there and I'm just missing it. I do see individual's >> pages, but I'm thinking more project/parts based. >> > > I don't think we have anything quite like that, but it would be a great > addition. I would say we should add a top-level wiki page for it and then we > could break it down in a couple way: (1) just a general list/index by > project and (2) categories based on either platform/environment used (i.e., > arduino/dorkboard/etc., processing, miscellaneous) and perhaps general > nature (installations, artistic, etc.). > > Feel free to get this started -- we can clean it up and tweak the general > structure as we go. If you don't have necessary perms to create the pages, > let me know and I'll set you up. > > This actually reminds me that I've been wanting to set up a list of projects that people have presented on at various dorkbotpdx and related events. It could be a sub-category of the overall project page with a link from the events page, perhaps. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Google Sites is WYSIWYG wiki software, so you don't even have to know markdown in order to use it. Plus it is free. Either way, let me know what I can do to help. --wm On Oct 13, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Thomas Lockney wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:23 PM, dan p > wrote: > I was looking at the dorkbot website. I'm playing with the benito > and xbee. Any thoughts about having "projects" pages? maybe > something under benito and dorkboard? Even just a list might be > interesting. If I saw that someone was doing something say with > benitos/dorkboards/temperature/wireless, I may drop them a line to > see what they are working on, might be more condusive to sharing. I > don't know about efforts involved in such things (last time I put > together a website, it was pre-internet explorer/firefox, anybody > remember Mosaic?) Just thought. > > or, maybe it is there and I'm just missing it. I do see individual's > pages, but I'm thinking more project/parts based. > > I don't think we have anything quite like that, but it would be a > great addition. I would say we should add a top-level wiki page for > it and then we could break it down in a couple way: (1) just a > general list/index by project and (2) categories based on either > platform/environment used (i.e., arduino/dorkboard/etc., processing, > miscellaneous) and perhaps general nature (installations, artistic, > etc.). > > Feel free to get this started -- we can clean it up and tweak the > general structure as we go. If you don't have necessary perms to > create the pages, let me know and I'll set you up. > > ~thomas > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091013/2014bac1/attachment.html From thomas at lockney.net Tue Oct 13 19:55:48 2009 From: thomas at lockney.net (Thomas Lockney) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:55:48 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] projects pages? In-Reply-To: References: <8e6971a90910131423g33681bc8ye54353a12b38edbe@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910131428h65d4769aw51312387c6028232@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a05808a0910131655m549b7695i44b092505cd916c5@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Wm Leler wrote: > The opentechspace.org site has a sub-site that is for projects. See > http://projects.opentechspace.org > I set it up using Google Sites a while back when I was building the site, > but haven't done anything with it since then. I would love it if people > used that to list projects they are working on, after all, open tech space > is supposed to be about sharing information. > > Alternatively, if you want this attached to the dorkbot site, It is not too > hard to set up Google Sites. Google Sites is WYSIWYG wiki software, so you > don't even have to know markdown in order to use it. Plus it is free. > Thanks for the generous offer but the DorkbotPDX site is already set up as a wiki (and blog, etc. via Drupal). Since we're trying to continue building the DorkbotPDX community, I think we'd probably prefer to keep everything centralized there. Dorkbot is also about sharing information, collaboration and such, after all. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091013/de75ac46/attachment.html From krux at thcnet.net Tue Oct 13 23:16:03 2009 From: krux at thcnet.net (krux at thcnet.net) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] projects pages? In-Reply-To: <7a05808a0910131655m549b7695i44b092505cd916c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e6971a90910131423g33681bc8ye54353a12b38edbe@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910131428h65d4769aw51312387c6028232@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910131655m549b7695i44b092505cd916c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Thanks for the generous offer but the DorkbotPDX site is already set up as a > wiki (and blog, etc. via Drupal). Since we're trying to continue building > the DorkbotPDX community, I think we'd probably prefer to keep everything > centralized there. Dorkbot is also about sharing information, collaboration > and such, after all. Yea, I have to say that the DorkbotPDX web setup is pretty clean and slick. When I setup the DorkbotLV I use DorkbotPDX's site as an example of how to correctly setup a dorkbot site. perl -e 's++=END;++y(;-P)}\n?k++=;<+xru}?print:??;' From skinny at knowhere.net Wed Oct 14 13:18:47 2009 From: skinny at knowhere.net (Brian Richardson) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:18:47 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] projects pages? In-Reply-To: References: <8e6971a90910131423g33681bc8ye54353a12b38edbe@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910131428h65d4769aw51312387c6028232@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910131655m549b7695i44b092505cd916c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7164e3620910141018t64944d89ha8d48096ecbbe@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, good work Thomas (and others!?). I've started a minimal "local projects" page here: http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/local_projects Add more stuff, change it around, etc.. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:16 PM, wrote: >> Thanks for the generous offer but the DorkbotPDX site is already set up as a >> wiki (and blog, etc. via Drupal). Since we're trying to continue building >> the DorkbotPDX community, I think we'd probably prefer to keep everything >> centralized there. Dorkbot is also about sharing information, collaboration >> and such, after all. > > Yea, I have to say that the DorkbotPDX web setup is pretty clean and slick. > > When I setup the DorkbotLV I use DorkbotPDX's site as an example of how to > correctly setup a dorkbot site. > > perl -e 's++=END;++y(;-P)}\n?k++=;<+xru}?print:??;' > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > From gunterhausfrau at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 13:58:33 2009 From: gunterhausfrau at gmail.com (dan p) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:58:33 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] projects pages? In-Reply-To: <7164e3620910141018t64944d89ha8d48096ecbbe@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e6971a90910131423g33681bc8ye54353a12b38edbe@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910131428h65d4769aw51312387c6028232@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910131655m549b7695i44b092505cd916c5@mail.gmail.com> <7164e3620910141018t64944d89ha8d48096ecbbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e6971a90910141058s62058380s84108c99c9029438@mail.gmail.com> just what I was thinking, boy this group works fast. I tried to add a project, but I may not have permissions (or I was doing it wrong) Thanks. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Brian Richardson wrote: > Yeah, good work Thomas (and others!?). I've started a minimal "local > projects" page here: > > http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/local_projects > > Add more stuff, change it around, etc.. > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:16 PM, wrote: > >> Thanks for the generous offer but the DorkbotPDX site is already set up > as a > >> wiki (and blog, etc. via Drupal). Since we're trying to continue > building > >> the DorkbotPDX community, I think we'd probably prefer to keep > everything > >> centralized there. Dorkbot is also about sharing information, > collaboration > >> and such, after all. > > > > Yea, I have to say that the DorkbotPDX web setup is pretty clean and > slick. > > > > When I setup the DorkbotLV I use DorkbotPDX's site as an example of how > to > > correctly setup a dorkbot site. > > > > perl -e 's++=END;++y(;-P)}\n?k++=;<+xru}?print:??;' > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091014/f5147a69/attachment-0001.html From thomas at lockney.net Wed Oct 14 14:37:53 2009 From: thomas at lockney.net (Thomas Lockney) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:37:53 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] projects pages? In-Reply-To: <8e6971a90910141058s62058380s84108c99c9029438@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e6971a90910131423g33681bc8ye54353a12b38edbe@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910131428h65d4769aw51312387c6028232@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910131655m549b7695i44b092505cd916c5@mail.gmail.com> <7164e3620910141018t64944d89ha8d48096ecbbe@mail.gmail.com> <8e6971a90910141058s62058380s84108c99c9029438@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a05808a0910141137i7121b3d6y7c2477da4040d7a1@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM, dan p wrote: > just what I was thinking, boy this group works fast. > > I tried to add a project, but I may not have permissions (or I was doing it > wrong) > > Are you sure you were signed in? I see where you logged in to the site in the logs, but then all attempts to edit that page appear to have come from an 'unauthenticated' session (i.e., anonymous). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091014/2c6f70ae/attachment.html From gunterhausfrau at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 14:55:27 2009 From: gunterhausfrau at gmail.com (dan p) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:55:27 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] projects pages? In-Reply-To: <7a05808a0910141137i7121b3d6y7c2477da4040d7a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e6971a90910131423g33681bc8ye54353a12b38edbe@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910131428h65d4769aw51312387c6028232@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910131655m549b7695i44b092505cd916c5@mail.gmail.com> <7164e3620910141018t64944d89ha8d48096ecbbe@mail.gmail.com> <8e6971a90910141058s62058380s84108c99c9029438@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910141137i7121b3d6y7c2477da4040d7a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e6971a90910141155k6100b915u268922876818e854@mail.gmail.com> works. Likely I was doing something wonky. Thanks for doing this. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Thomas Lockney wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM, dan p wrote: > >> just what I was thinking, boy this group works fast. >> >> I tried to add a project, but I may not have permissions (or I was doing >> it wrong) >> >> > > Are you sure you were signed in? I see where you logged in to the site in > the logs, but then all attempts to edit that page appear to have come from > an 'unauthenticated' session (i.e., anonymous). > > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091014/76e3f61b/attachment.html From paul at pjrc.com Wed Oct 14 15:08:41 2009 From: paul at pjrc.com (Paul Stoffregen) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:08:41 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] projects pages? In-Reply-To: <7a05808a0910141137i7121b3d6y7c2477da4040d7a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e6971a90910131423g33681bc8ye54353a12b38edbe@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910131428h65d4769aw51312387c6028232@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910131655m549b7695i44b092505cd916c5@mail.gmail.com> <7164e3620910141018t64944d89ha8d48096ecbbe@mail.gmail.com> <8e6971a90910141058s62058380s84108c99c9029438@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910141137i7121b3d6y7c2477da4040d7a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD621B9.5070902@pjrc.com> Something that might be really cool could be an address where anyone at the meeting could send a photo from their iphone (or whatever camera equipped mobile device) and it would automatically post to the wiki or somewhere else on the website. After the meeting, anyone interested could add comments, code, links, whatever. There's so many great projects brought to every meeting and it'd be pretty damn awesome if a few people with camera devices snapped pictures with default of "shoot first, ask questions later". Just a thought... or a lot of work for someone else. -Paul From ddelmardavis at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 15:10:44 2009 From: ddelmardavis at gmail.com (Donald Delmar Davis) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:10:44 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] projects pages? In-Reply-To: <4AD621B9.5070902@pjrc.com> References: <8e6971a90910131423g33681bc8ye54353a12b38edbe@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910131428h65d4769aw51312387c6028232@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910131655m549b7695i44b092505cd916c5@mail.gmail.com> <7164e3620910141018t64944d89ha8d48096ecbbe@mail.gmail.com> <8e6971a90910141058s62058380s84108c99c9029438@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910141137i7121b3d6y7c2477da4040d7a1@mail.gmail.com> <4AD621B9.5070902@pjrc.com> Message-ID: We have that with the dorkbotpdx flickr pool. On Oct 14, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Paul Stoffregen wrote: > Something that might be really cool could be an address where anyone > at > the meeting could send a photo from their iphone (or whatever camera > equipped mobile device) and it would automatically post to the wiki or > somewhere else on the website. After the meeting, anyone interested > could add comments, code, links, whatever. > > There's so many great projects brought to every meeting and it'd be > pretty damn awesome if a few people with camera devices snapped > pictures > with default of "shoot first, ask questions later". > > Just a thought... or a lot of work for someone else. > > > -Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From dorkbot at mersenne.com Wed Oct 14 15:38:33 2009 From: dorkbot at mersenne.com (dave madden) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:38:33 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? Message-ID: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> I think I saw some Clear modems at the last Dorkbot meeting. How do they work? I've been thinking about getting one for use at my new office downtown, particularly since Clear keeps sending me flyers with New! Improved! Extra Low Pricing! -- David H. Madden - Mersenne Law LLC - www.mersenne.com 1500 SW First Ave. / Suite 1170 / Portland, Oregon 97201 From ddelmardavis at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 15:46:28 2009 From: ddelmardavis at gmail.com (Donald Delmar Davis) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:46:28 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> Message-ID: <9C81F61B-E5E7-4423-808B-9F48A21784A2@gmail.com> Anyone that markets that aggressively and undercuts competition is going to be bad for the community as a whole in the long run. Its sad when invasive marketing is effective. I haven't been particularly impressed with the one that is up at the office. It works. I would suggest uswest as one of the companies that didn't give us all up to the nsa or if you like the mobile I really like my sprint mobile wireless a lot. On Oct 14, 2009, at 12:38 PM, dave madden wrote: > I think I saw some Clear modems at the last Dorkbot meeting. How do > they work? I've been thinking about getting one for use at my new > office downtown, particularly since Clear keeps sending me flyers with > New! Improved! Extra Low Pricing! > -- > David H. Madden - Mersenne Law LLC - www.mersenne.com > 1500 SW First Ave. / Suite 1170 / Portland, Oregon 97201 > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From thomas at lockney.net Wed Oct 14 15:49:51 2009 From: thomas at lockney.net (Thomas Lockney) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:49:51 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] projects pages? In-Reply-To: References: <8e6971a90910131423g33681bc8ye54353a12b38edbe@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910131428h65d4769aw51312387c6028232@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910131655m549b7695i44b092505cd916c5@mail.gmail.com> <7164e3620910141018t64944d89ha8d48096ecbbe@mail.gmail.com> <8e6971a90910141058s62058380s84108c99c9029438@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910141137i7121b3d6y7c2477da4040d7a1@mail.gmail.com> <4AD621B9.5070902@pjrc.com> Message-ID: <7a05808a0910141249u5c1076d5udf2f4d370a381a80@mail.gmail.com> Right. This has been mentioned before over and over again, but we have the DorkbotPDX Flickr pool set up already and at least some of the group members use it heavily. I'm not an iphone user myself, but I've heard there are apps that make it quite easy to upload pictures with tags and all. http://www.flickr.com/groups/dorkbotpdx/ On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Donald Delmar Davis < ddelmardavis at gmail.com> wrote: > We have that with the dorkbotpdx flickr pool. > > On Oct 14, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Paul Stoffregen wrote: > > > Something that might be really cool could be an address where anyone > > at > > the meeting could send a photo from their iphone (or whatever camera > > equipped mobile device) and it would automatically post to the wiki or > > somewhere else on the website. After the meeting, anyone interested > > could add comments, code, links, whatever. > > > > There's so many great projects brought to every meeting and it'd be > > pretty damn awesome if a few people with camera devices snapped > > pictures > > with default of "shoot first, ask questions later". > > > > Just a thought... or a lot of work for someone else. > > > > > > -Paul > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -- Thomas Lockney Instigator, Geek, Techie http://www.google.com/profiles/tlockney twitter: @tlockney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyway - uh, it works great I don't know anything about the NSA or stuff like that.... but I use ssh and do end to end tunnel encryption... - me On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Donald Delmar Davis wrote: > Anyone that markets that aggressively and undercuts competition is > going to be bad for the community as a whole in the long run. > Its sad when invasive marketing is effective. > I haven't been particularly impressed with the one that is up at the > office. It works. > > I would suggest uswest as one of the companies that didn't give us all > up to the nsa or if you like the mobile I really like my sprint mobile > wireless a lot. > > On Oct 14, 2009, at 12:38 PM, dave madden wrote: > >> I think I saw some Clear modems at the last Dorkbot meeting. ?How do >> they work? ?I've been thinking about getting one for use at my new >> office downtown, particularly since Clear keeps sending me flyers with >> New! Improved! ?Extra Low Pricing! >> -- >> David H. Madden ?- ?Mersenne Law LLC ?- ?www.mersenne.com >> 1500 SW First Ave. / Suite 1170 / Portland, Oregon ?97201 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list >> dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org >> http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -- - anselm at hook.org 415 215 4856 http://hook.org http://twitter.com/anselm http://meedan.net http://blog.makerlab.org From skinny at knowhere.net Wed Oct 14 16:25:10 2009 From: skinny at knowhere.net (Brian Richardson) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:25:10 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] projects pages? In-Reply-To: <7a05808a0910141249u5c1076d5udf2f4d370a381a80@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e6971a90910131423g33681bc8ye54353a12b38edbe@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910131655m549b7695i44b092505cd916c5@mail.gmail.com> <7164e3620910141018t64944d89ha8d48096ecbbe@mail.gmail.com> <8e6971a90910141058s62058380s84108c99c9029438@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910141137i7121b3d6y7c2477da4040d7a1@mail.gmail.com> <4AD621B9.5070902@pjrc.com> <7a05808a0910141249u5c1076d5udf2f4d370a381a80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7164e3620910141325n5c29c54bk84c254c8f926f606@mail.gmail.com> Just to make it easy, I've set up dorkbot at knowhere.net. You can email pictures there and it'll show up here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/autodorkbotpdx/ they get tagged with dorkbotpdx immediately, and I'll add any new photos that show up to the photopool (http://www.flickr.com/groups/dorkbotpdx/pool/) Hope that helps! On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Thomas Lockney wrote: > Right. This has been mentioned before over and over again, but we have the > DorkbotPDX Flickr pool set up already and at least some of the group members > use it heavily. I'm not an iphone user myself, but I've heard there are apps > that make it quite easy to upload pictures with tags and all. > > http://www.flickr.com/groups/dorkbotpdx/ > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Donald Delmar Davis > wrote: >> >> We have that with the dorkbotpdx flickr pool. >> >> On Oct 14, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Paul Stoffregen wrote: >> >> > Something that might be really cool could be an address where anyone >> > at >> > the meeting could send a photo from their iphone (or whatever camera >> > equipped mobile device) and it would automatically post to the wiki or >> > somewhere else on the website. ?After the meeting, anyone interested >> > could add comments, code, links, whatever. >> > >> > There's so many great projects brought to every meeting and it'd be >> > pretty damn awesome if a few people with camera devices snapped >> > pictures >> > with default of "shoot first, ask questions later". >> > >> > Just a thought... or a lot of work for someone else. >> > >> > >> > -Paul >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list >> > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org >> > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list >> dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org >> http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > > > -- > Thomas Lockney > Instigator, Geek, Techie > http://www.google.com/profiles/tlockney > twitter: @tlockney > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > From greg at grunest.com Wed Oct 14 16:37:25 2009 From: greg at grunest.com (Greg Grunest) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:37:25 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> Message-ID: <01c001ca4d0e$24010d10$6c032730$@com> Just my 2 cents. I would love to hear different stories, especially positive ones. I had looked into clear and started recommending it to clients based on cost and portability. I have since changed my stance completely and have told people to stay away from them at all cost. Reasoning: The "tech" who installs your equipment is in most cases not an actual employee of ClearWire. They appear to be similar to the 3rd party suppliers of cell phone service you find in the malls. Yes, you can sign up with them but any technical problems or even general support are beyond their scope or abilities. Also, the signal is not reliable for "always on" type of applications. If all you need is facebook and e-mail, you're golden! In one clients case, the modem installed was a repurposed "trial" modem that the installer didn't have the password for and had been used as a public wi-fi repeater. He had enough knowledge to remove the existing T1 connection and the Checkpoint VPN Firewall (which he shouldn't have) upon installation into my clients office but not enough knowledge to realize that he had supplied (via DHCP) public address to the internal network with no firewall. Within a matter of minutes it had wrecked their entire network. His suggestion of restarting the client machines just made things worse. (new dhcp leases, public addresses mixed with internal addresses, etc). After spending an hour with this guy on the phone it became painfully obvious that he knew a few buzzwords but had no real networking knowledge whatsoever. His "technician" was no better and "level 2" tech support was a guy you would call on his cell, leave a message and then he would call you back and try to tell you what you were doing wrong from his living room in Nebraska. DOH!!! None of these people actually worked for ClearWire! Also, speed tests showed lousy results unless you used ClearWire's speed tests. When I asked the "tech" about this he said it was because ClearWire traffic was different than normal internet traffic and other speed tests didn't know how to read the traffic right. ????? WTF????? I spent 3 days of my life dealing with this and the best they could offer me or my client was a -"Clear service really isn't designed for you". This was Clear's "business" class service in a business environment. Who was it designed for? Billable time to the client was 9 hours. I should mention that Comcast came in, (the guy had a Comcast badge and a Comcast truck and Comcast tools) was knowledgeable, understood we had a secure network with remote users coming in over VPN. Verified speed tests at over 50mbs using Comcast and other third party testing sites. $80/month DONE!! Billable time to the client was 30 minutes. Second installation I dealt with was a small office network. The motivation was to move to Clear from DSL for price reasons. Usage was sporadic and although the clear speed tests showed great numbers, internet speeds were noticeably slower. Signal strength on the modem was low. The "tech" suggested we "move the modem around the office" to get better speeds. After locating the optimal spot in the building, speeds would be high for a couple of days and then the signal strength would drop out again. That's not really the kind of thing I was looking for. I can't justify billing customers hourly to move their modem around there office and yell "can you hear me now?"... and then going back and doing it again... and again. They customer ended up going with Comcast because they offered higher speeds than DSL for around the same price. It was one of those "12 month sign up" rates but solved the problem. Third, I tried it myself on a demo for about a week using my laptop. It wasn't too bad but was never really "FAST" either. It had very limited distance from Portland. It didn't work in Salem or even Troutdale. It dropped connections a lot. I ended up going with Sprint. They cost more. At the time, they only supported 3G (not 4G like clear does) but it works pretty much anywhere you can get a cell signal (entire I5 corridor, Bend, Madras) and I didn't notice that much of a speed difference. The fact that the connection stayed up for longer made it seem faster or at least more productive. If you go with sprint, be sure to get the multiband higher cost modems if you plan on traveling with the service. It will automatically connect to CDMA, 3G and 4G service where available. I don't like Comcast any more than any of the other guys pushing this drug right now. They seem to be the best performer in the business class market than anyone I've seen though. I had great hopes for Clear being able to knock Comcast out of their position and bring some reasonably priced internet through competition. It hasn't happened. When I tried Clear for my laptop, it was back in May and since then they claim to have enlarged the service area and increased signal strength. Who knows. I have faith that they can be a viable alternative to wired internet service in the future, maybe two years out? DAMN IT! I wrote a friggen novel again. Sorry guys! BTW: Anyone using FIOS? I heard they were losing their shorts and pulling out of the NW before the end of the year. That would suck because it's the only real alternative to cable for high speed internet connections for home and small business. -----Original Message----- From: dorkbotpdx-blabber-bounces at dorkbot.org [mailto:dorkbotpdx-blabber-bounces at dorkbot.org] On Behalf Of dave madden Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:39 PM To: dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? I think I saw some Clear modems at the last Dorkbot meeting. How do they work? I've been thinking about getting one for use at my new office downtown, particularly since Clear keeps sending me flyers with New! Improved! Extra Low Pricing! -- David H. Madden - Mersenne Law LLC - www.mersenne.com 1500 SW First Ave. / Suite 1170 / Portland, Oregon 97201 _______________________________________________ dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From jacob at technosorcery.net Wed Oct 14 17:16:32 2009 From: jacob at technosorcery.net (Jacob Helwig) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:16:32 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <01c001ca4d0e$24010d10$6c032730$@com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <01c001ca4d0e$24010d10$6c032730$@com> Message-ID: <8c9a060910141416t7fb03fbeg8f86e35a624b974@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 13:37, Greg Grunest wrote: > BTW: ?Anyone using FIOS? ?I heard they were losing their shorts and pulling > out of the NW before the end of the year. ?That would suck because it's the > only real alternative to cable for high speed internet connections for home > and small business. > I've got FiOS at home, and absolutely love it. However I live out in Beaverton, so I have no idea what the availability and service is like outside of my neck of the woods. From dorkbot at mersenne.com Wed Oct 14 18:32:12 2009 From: dorkbot at mersenne.com (dave madden) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:32:12 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1255559532.4471.101.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 16:08 -0400, Donald Delmar Davis wrote: > Anyone that markets that aggressively and undercuts competition is > going to be bad for the community as a whole in the long run. Agree, but that ship sailed 20 years ago. Given that every last thing in the U.S. is a race for the bottom, I'm not going to pay extra to bet on second place. (When Clear kills off all the competition and raises rates, I'll drop 'em and work out alternate access. I'm poor, but not [excessively] stupid. And I _do_ patronize local vendors who provide a unique or useful service, even if I could save money online. But internet access? Meh.) Then Anselm Hook wrote: > I have an extra one that I am paying $50 a month for. If somebody > wants to take it over I would be happy to help in some way. I travel > too much to use it. Their current deal is $30/month + $115 to start, or $35/month w/ 2-year contract. I'd be happy to give you the $30 or $35 instead of them, if that works for you. I don't know that it particularly makes sense for me to take over your whole $50 payment! Let me know if you're interested... -- David H. Madden - Mersenne Law LLC - www.mersenne.com 1500 SW First Ave. / Suite 1170 / Portland, Oregon 97201 From ddelmardavis at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 18:43:07 2009 From: ddelmardavis at gmail.com (Donald Delmar Davis) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:43:07 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <1255559532.4471.101.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> References: <1255559532.4471.101.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> Message-ID: <43F76F76-059F-437A-B195-C4F04A7DB007@gmail.com> Especially internet access. Think about it. I just added my 2 bits so, whatever, race to the bottom. On Oct 14, 2009, at 3:32 PM, dave madden wrote: > On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 16:08 -0400, Donald Delmar Davis > wrote: > >> Anyone that markets that aggressively and undercuts competition is >> going to be bad for the community as a whole in the long run. > > Agree, but that ship sailed 20 years ago. Given that every last thing > in the U.S. is a race for the bottom, I'm not going to pay extra to > bet > on second place. (When Clear kills off all the competition and raises > rates, I'll drop 'em and work out alternate access. I'm poor, but not > [excessively] stupid. And I _do_ patronize local vendors who > provide a > unique or useful service, even if I could save money online. But > internet access? Meh.) > > Then Anselm Hook wrote: > >> I have an extra one that I am paying $50 a month for. If somebody >> wants to take it over I would be happy to help in some way. I travel >> too much to use it. > > Their current deal is $30/month + $115 to start, or $35/month w/ 2- > year > contract. I'd be happy to give you the $30 or $35 instead of them, if > that works for you. I don't know that it particularly makes sense for > me to take over your whole $50 payment! > > Let me know if you're interested... > -- > David H. Madden - Mersenne Law LLC - www.mersenne.com > 1500 SW First Ave. / Suite 1170 / Portland, Oregon 97201 > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From anselm at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 19:10:55 2009 From: anselm at gmail.com (Anselm Hook) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:10:55 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <43F76F76-059F-437A-B195-C4F04A7DB007@gmail.com> References: <1255559532.4471.101.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <43F76F76-059F-437A-B195-C4F04A7DB007@gmail.com> Message-ID: Whatever happened to p2p meshes anyway? Wasn't that in our proletariat future? On Oct 14, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Donald Delmar Davis wrote: > Especially internet access. > > Think about it. > > I just added my 2 bits so, whatever, race to the bottom. > > On Oct 14, 2009, at 3:32 PM, dave madden wrote: > >> On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 16:08 -0400, Donald Delmar Davis >> wrote: >> >>> Anyone that markets that aggressively and undercuts competition is >>> going to be bad for the community as a whole in the long run. >> >> Agree, but that ship sailed 20 years ago. Given that every last >> thing >> in the U.S. is a race for the bottom, I'm not going to pay extra to >> bet >> on second place. (When Clear kills off all the competition and >> raises >> rates, I'll drop 'em and work out alternate access. I'm poor, but >> not >> [excessively] stupid. And I _do_ patronize local vendors who >> provide a >> unique or useful service, even if I could save money online. But >> internet access? Meh.) >> >> Then Anselm Hook wrote: >> >>> I have an extra one that I am paying $50 a month for. If somebody >>> wants to take it over I would be happy to help in some way. I >>> travel >>> too much to use it. >> >> Their current deal is $30/month + $115 to start, or $35/month w/ 2- >> year >> contract. I'd be happy to give you the $30 or $35 instead of them, >> if >> that works for you. I don't know that it particularly makes sense >> for >> me to take over your whole $50 payment! >> >> Let me know if you're interested... >> -- >> David H. Madden - Mersenne Law LLC - www.mersenne.com >> 1500 SW First Ave. / Suite 1170 / Portland, Oregon 97201 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list >> dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org >> http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From greg at grunest.com Wed Oct 14 19:46:42 2009 From: greg at grunest.com (Greg Grunest) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:46:42 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <8c9a060910141416t7fb03fbeg8f86e35a624b974@mail.gmail.com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <01c001ca4d0e$24010d10$6c032730$@com> <8c9a060910141416t7fb03fbeg8f86e35a624b974@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01c701ca4d28$95468da0$bfd3a8e0$@com> FIOS... That?s good to hear. I've heard nothing but good stuff about it. Last I heard was that there was one more big marketing push around September and then they would decide to pull the plug or not. I'm sure the significant investment in infrastructure and then a bad economy didn't help them at all. It would suck to loose them. -----Original Message----- From: dorkbotpdx-blabber-bounces at dorkbot.org [mailto:dorkbotpdx-blabber-bounces at dorkbot.org] On Behalf Of Jacob Helwig Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:17 PM To: A discussion list for dorkbot-pdx (portland, or) Subject: Re: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 13:37, Greg Grunest wrote: > BTW: Anyone using FIOS? I heard they were losing their shorts and pulling > out of the NW before the end of the year. That would suck because it's the > only real alternative to cable for high speed internet connections for home > and small business. > I've got FiOS at home, and absolutely love it. However I live out in Beaverton, so I have no idea what the availability and service is like outside of my neck of the woods. _______________________________________________ dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From feedle at feedle.net Wed Oct 14 21:24:05 2009 From: feedle at feedle.net (C. Sullivan) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:24:05 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <01c701ca4d28$95468da0$bfd3a8e0$@com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <01c001ca4d0e$24010d10$6c032730$@com> <8c9a060910141416t7fb03fbeg8f86e35a624b974@mail.gmail.com> <01c701ca4d28$95468da0$bfd3a8e0$@com> Message-ID: <1E200ECF-7824-4680-A38C-6201C057B2F0@feedle.net> On Oct 14, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Greg Grunest wrote: > FIOS... That?s good to hear. I've heard nothing but good stuff > about it. Last I heard was that there was one more big marketing > push around September and then they would decide to pull the plug or > not. I'm sure the significant investment in infrastructure and then > a bad economy didn't help them at all. It would suck to loose them. They have already "pulled the plug." Verizon is selling their entire Pacific Northwest network (along with other markets) to Frontier. The deal is signed, it's just pending FCC and local regulatory approval. (Sources: http://fedl.info/f and http://fedl.info/h ). Local regulatory agencies here in Oregon have expressed concerns regarding Frontier's ability to manage and maintain an advanced network. Most of those concerns revolve around the fact that Frontier does not offer any similar product in any of their territories, and in fact doesn't even have an advanced DSL product anywhere in Oregon and no back-end high performance Internet network in place. There are also concerns about Frontier's ability to purchase cable TV programming at the same rates Verizon was able to negotiate due to the company's .. "small size". But you can kiss Verizon goodbye in the Pacific Northwest. We're stuck with Frontier and Qwest. From gunterhausfrau at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 22:14:52 2009 From: gunterhausfrau at gmail.com (dan p) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:14:52 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <1E200ECF-7824-4680-A38C-6201C057B2F0@feedle.net> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <01c001ca4d0e$24010d10$6c032730$@com> <8c9a060910141416t7fb03fbeg8f86e35a624b974@mail.gmail.com> <01c701ca4d28$95468da0$bfd3a8e0$@com> <1E200ECF-7824-4680-A38C-6201C057B2F0@feedle.net> Message-ID: <8e6971a90910141914j53b70cbcsde682eade688878b@mail.gmail.com> argh. I will never give another dime to quest. As my oh so wise great grandmother used to say "I wouldn't cross the street to pee on them if they were on fire" These were the people to drove to my house, knocked on the door to tell me that my phone service was back up and working. (there was a reason they didn't call). Among other fine examples of customer disservice. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 6:24 PM, C. Sullivan wrote: > > On Oct 14, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Greg Grunest wrote: > > > FIOS... That?s good to hear. I've heard nothing but good stuff > > about it. Last I heard was that there was one more big marketing > > push around September and then they would decide to pull the plug or > > not. I'm sure the significant investment in infrastructure and then > > a bad economy didn't help them at all. It would suck to loose them. > > They have already "pulled the plug." > > Verizon is selling their entire Pacific Northwest network (along with > other markets) to Frontier. The deal is signed, it's just pending FCC > and local regulatory approval. (Sources: http://fedl.info/f and > http://fedl.info/h > ). > > Local regulatory agencies here in Oregon have expressed concerns > regarding Frontier's ability to manage and maintain an advanced > network. Most of those concerns revolve around the fact that Frontier > does not offer any similar product in any of their territories, and in > fact doesn't even have an advanced DSL product anywhere in Oregon and > no back-end high performance Internet network in place. There are > also concerns about Frontier's ability to purchase cable TV > programming at the same rates Verizon was able to negotiate due to the > company's .. "small size". > > But you can kiss Verizon goodbye in the Pacific Northwest. We're > stuck with Frontier and Qwest. > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091014/2601576f/attachment.html From feedle at feedle.net Wed Oct 14 22:48:07 2009 From: feedle at feedle.net (C. Sullivan) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:48:07 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <8e6971a90910141914j53b70cbcsde682eade688878b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <01c001ca4d0e$24010d10$6c032730$@com> <8c9a060910141416t7fb03fbeg8f86e35a624b974@mail.gmail.com> <01c701ca4d28$95468da0$bfd3a8e0$@com> <1E200ECF-7824-4680-A38C-6201C057B2F0@feedle.net> <8e6971a90910141914j53b70cbcsde682eade688878b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <36D04436-3299-445C-BEB2-7486CDE9E6BE@feedle.net> On Oct 14, 2009, at 7:14 PM, dan p wrote: > argh. I will never give another dime to quest. As my oh so wise > great grandmother used to say "I wouldn't cross the street to pee on > them if they were on fire" > > These were the people to drove to my house, knocked on the door to > tell me that my phone service was back up and working. (there was a > reason they didn't call). Among other fine examples of customer > disservice. Comcast hasn't impressed me much, either. They keep knocking on my door and hanging fliers on it. Even though I already have service from them. And, it's obvious I have service from them if they'd look for the black wire coming from the utility pole to my house. Back to the topic: I had Clear for a while, and the only redeeming quality it had was it was cheap. Speeds were reasonably close to advertised, and it would occasionally hiccup and go down for an hour or two every three or so weeks. Their customer service and billing departments suck. I kept trying to cancel, and kept getting transferred around to sit on hold for 20 minutes with no answer. Shut off the credit card they were billing to, only to have their "collections" people call.. and they only seem to call at the times the "disconnections" department is closed (gee, go figure) so I can never get it cleared (pun intended) up. These are some of the same shenanigans I've heard people in Seattle were fighting with them with, so I guess that's par for the course with them (so, beware). From dausmus at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 23:12:33 2009 From: dausmus at gmail.com (Doug Ausmus) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:12:33 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <36D04436-3299-445C-BEB2-7486CDE9E6BE@feedle.net> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <01c001ca4d0e$24010d10$6c032730$@com> <8c9a060910141416t7fb03fbeg8f86e35a624b974@mail.gmail.com> <01c701ca4d28$95468da0$bfd3a8e0$@com> <1E200ECF-7824-4680-A38C-6201C057B2F0@feedle.net> <8e6971a90910141914j53b70cbcsde682eade688878b@mail.gmail.com> <36D04436-3299-445C-BEB2-7486CDE9E6BE@feedle.net> Message-ID: <307640010910142012w12ef08e2uf07b8b9867c5ab8b@mail.gmail.com> Note that there is a huge difference in support and service quality for Comcast business vs. Comcast consumer-grade service. The last time I checked, the business class service was a completely different division of Comcast with their own support team and monitoring, etc. I have not yet tried it for my own office, but I am tempted if business-class Fios doesn't come into the building or if FiOS goes way or ... -Doug On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:48 PM, C. Sullivan wrote: > > On Oct 14, 2009, at 7:14 PM, dan p wrote: > > > argh. I will never give another dime to quest. As my oh so wise > > great grandmother used to say "I wouldn't cross the street to pee on > > them if they were on fire" > > > > These were the people to drove to my house, knocked on the door to > > tell me that my phone service was back up and working. (there was a > > reason they didn't call). Among other fine examples of customer > > disservice. > > Comcast hasn't impressed me much, either. > > They keep knocking on my door and hanging fliers on it. Even though I > already have service from them. And, it's obvious I have service from > them if they'd look for the black wire coming from the utility pole to > my house. > > Back to the topic: I had Clear for a while, and the only redeeming > quality it had was it was cheap. Speeds were reasonably close to > advertised, and it would occasionally hiccup and go down for an hour > or two every three or so weeks. Their customer service and billing > departments suck. I kept trying to cancel, and kept getting > transferred around to sit on hold for 20 minutes with no answer. Shut > off the credit card they were billing to, only to have their > "collections" people call.. and they only seem to call at the times > the "disconnections" department is closed (gee, go figure) so I can > never get it cleared (pun intended) up. These are some of the same > shenanigans I've heard people in Seattle were fighting with them with, > so I guess that's par for the course with them (so, beware). > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091014/0f49677e/attachment.html From jason at noisybox.net Thu Oct 15 00:44:09 2009 From: jason at noisybox.net (Jason Plumb) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:44:09 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] p2p mesh networks (was: Clear Internet?) In-Reply-To: References: <1255559532.4471.101.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <43F76F76-059F-437A-B195-C4F04A7DB007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD6A899.1000606@noisybox.net> Anselm Hook wrote: > Whatever happened to p2p meshes anyway? Wasn't that in our proletariat > future? Sure was forecasted that way, huh? It's certainly happening to some extent already, but I suspect that they are mostly academic, darknets, and/or fledgling/experimental. Portland personal telco has some solid ideas. The XO mesh stuff is interesting because it was baked right into the product. Tons of people on "private" (yeah right) bittorrent trackers right now. I can think of a few applications of the mesh though, and the approach is probably different based on what you're trying to do: 1) Use a mesh to share/provide access to a larger network, like the internet. As with other systems, like Tor for example, the problem lies with the entry/exit points. Those become the real point of weakness, cost, and responsibility. Case in point: the decline in open/public APs in the last few years. 2) Darknets. Mostly *not* connected to larger networks, usually geared at filesharing. These will always exist, but will continue to be transient, heterogeneous, short lived. It's likely, though, that as service providers continue throttling/metering and the larger content owners/producers continue suing we will see more of these. 3) Tinkering/hobbying. Packet radio has been around for a long time now (yes, even 15-20 years ago you could send packets around the world for free without the internet). There's some *very* interesting things that can be done with meshes here...but don't expect youtube over p2p packet radio meshes...not yet. The immediate "problem" that comes to mind with the p2p low power mesh model is that it insists on regionality. This conflicts instantly with *the* primary factor in the internet's appeal: *global* accessibility. I'm still crossing my fingers though and hoping that interest in that topic reemerges. The availability of cheap wifi equipment has certainly moved the possibilities forward.... -jason http://noisybox.net From russell at personaltelco.net Thu Oct 15 01:02:12 2009 From: russell at personaltelco.net (Russell Senior) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:02:12 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <307640010910142012w12ef08e2uf07b8b9867c5ab8b@mail.gmail.com> (Doug Ausmus's message of "Wed\, 14 Oct 2009 20\:12\:33 -0700") References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <01c001ca4d0e$24010d10$6c032730$@com> <8c9a060910141416t7fb03fbeg8f86e35a624b974@mail.gmail.com> <01c701ca4d28$95468da0$bfd3a8e0$@com> <1E200ECF-7824-4680-A38C-6201C057B2F0@feedle.net> <8e6971a90910141914j53b70cbcsde682eade688878b@mail.gmail.com> <36D04436-3299-445C-BEB2-7486CDE9E6BE@feedle.net> <307640010910142012w12ef08e2uf07b8b9867c5ab8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <86r5t5s10r.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Let me just interject here, that I think the solution is local, public ownership of last-mile infrastructure. And that the infrastructure it should own is fiber to every building in Portland, with freedom of choice for individuals of who they peer with or choose to buy services from at a public colocation facility. Having private, rent-seeking companies control the tubes forever is insane. It is as insane as a private company owning the road network and deciding where you can shop. We have crappy, slow connections as a result. In Japan, you can get symmetric 100Mb/s for $11/month. A hundred years ago, Portlanders drank from puddles. Then they decided that was idiotic and dropped a giant pile of money for a dam and a 30 mile pipeline to Portland, which delivered pure mountain water to every home and business. Rate payers paid all that construction cost back over time. Today, we are drinking from puddles *again*. I think it's high time we do something about it. -- Russell Senior, President russell at personaltelco.net From jboone at earfeast.com Thu Oct 15 01:09:55 2009 From: jboone at earfeast.com (Jared Boone) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:09:55 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] p2p mesh networks (was: Clear Internet?) In-Reply-To: <4AD6A899.1000606@noisybox.net> References: <1255559532.4471.101.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <43F76F76-059F-437A-B195-C4F04A7DB007@gmail.com> <4AD6A899.1000606@noisybox.net> Message-ID: <243EC76F-B65D-4553-87D7-3BAA031AD405@earfeast.com> On Oct 14, 2009, at 9:44 PM, Jason Plumb wrote: > Anselm Hook wrote: >> Whatever happened to p2p meshes anyway? Wasn't that in our >> proletariat >> future? > > The immediate "problem" that comes to mind with the p2p low power mesh > model is that it insists on regionality. This conflicts instantly > with > *the* primary factor in the internet's appeal: *global* accessibility. > > I'm still crossing my fingers though and hoping that interest in that > topic reemerges. The availability of cheap wifi equipment has > certainly > moved the possibilities forward.... I'm placing my bets on software-defined radio. I think in the next 10 or so years, more and more radio technology will be implemented on top of generic broadband radio hardware, where the modulation schemes and protocol stacks are implemented purely in software. Imagine DD-WRT (an open-source router firmware project), except for radio communication -- open-source implementations of new mesh networking concepts by people hacking consumer-grade hardware with great intrinsic flexibility. Only a few big problems, all three-letter acronyms: FCC, FBI/CIA/NSA, DRM... I don't think they'd look too kindly on people (at least without HAM licenses) implementing their own wireless networking infrastructure, even in the unlicensed bands. Especially if it involved any sort of crypto or non-standard modulation. And it's probable that, like the baseband on cellphones these days, the code that runs the radio protocols on software-defined radio platforms will be locked away as tightly as manufacturers can manage it. So you couldn't get at the software radio bits anyway. - Jared From mykle at mykle.com Thu Oct 15 01:13:19 2009 From: mykle at mykle.com (Mykle Hansen) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:13:19 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <86r5t5s10r.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <01c001ca4d0e$24010d10$6c032730$@com> <8c9a060910141416t7fb03fbeg8f86e35a624b974@mail.gmail.com> <01c701ca4d28$95468da0$bfd3a8e0$@com> <1E200ECF-7824-4680-A38C-6201C057B2F0@feedle.net> <8e6971a90910141914j53b70cbcsde682eade688878b@mail.gmail.com> <36D04436-3299-445C-BEB2-7486CDE9E6BE@feedle.net> <307640010910142012w12ef08e2uf07b8b9867c5ab8b@mail.gmail.com> <86r5t5s10r.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: <63318DA0-F9AA-4C30-8A1C-B86954E1A8A4@mykle.com> i had a really interesting conversation with a fella from my ISP, Spiretech, about this. I still recall how, when telcos got deregulated, they apparently were legally required to allow other ISPs to use their DSL lines to provide internet service. that's why I use a line I rent from Qwest to reach Spiretech, and then pay them to put packets on that line. This sounds expensive, and maybe it is, but it means that Spiretech, not Qwest, is my support department, and that has made *all* the difference. So my question for Spiretech was: don't those same laws that require Qwest to share access to the customer over DSL lines require them to share access to the customer over these new fiber-optic lines that they're offering in my neighborhood? Can't I pay a fiber access fee and then have them link me up to the ISP of my choice? He said: no. And the reason is simply that nobody is forcing them to do that. They consider the new fiber infrastructure to be outside the jurisdiction of those rules. Which may be so, but I also require when Portland considered creating a municipal bureau to lay fiber to all of the city and sell internet access -- exactly like the water bureau. And it was Qwest who talked them out of this, explaining that Qwest was going to be able to provide much better service at a lower cost, someday, and I believe promising some level of access democracy in the bargain, someday. So now I want to know exactly what was promised by Qwest, and how do we get it? I would love to use their fiber-optic lines, but they don't offer static IPs or any of the other things a sophisticated home office might need, and I have zero faith in the ability of their techs to solve problems for me when they arise. I want Qwest fiber connectivity to the ISP of my choice. Is that too much to ask? -mykle- On Oct 14, 2009, at 10:02 PMWednesday, Russell Senior wrote: > > Let me just interject here, that I think the solution is local, public > ownership of last-mile infrastructure. And that the infrastructure it > should own is fiber to every building in Portland, with freedom of > choice for individuals of who they peer with or choose to buy services > from at a public colocation facility. Having private, rent-seeking > companies control the tubes forever is insane. It is as insane as a > private company owning the road network and deciding where you can > shop. We have crappy, slow connections as a result. In Japan, you > can get symmetric 100Mb/s for $11/month. > > A hundred years ago, Portlanders drank from puddles. Then they > decided that was idiotic and dropped a giant pile of money for a dam > and a 30 mile pipeline to Portland, which delivered pure mountain > water to every home and business. Rate payers paid all that > construction cost back over time. Today, we are drinking from puddles > *again*. I think it's high time we do something about it. > > > -- > Russell Senior, President > russell at personaltelco.net > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber --- HELP! A Bear is Eating Me! http://helpabeariseatingme.com From jason at noisybox.net Thu Oct 15 01:26:50 2009 From: jason at noisybox.net (Jason Plumb) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:26:50 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] p2p mesh networks (was: Clear Internet?) In-Reply-To: <86r5t5s10r.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <01c001ca4d0e$24010d10$6c032730$@com> <8c9a060910141416t7fb03fbeg8f86e35a624b974@mail.gmail.com> <01c701ca4d28$95468da0$bfd3a8e0$@com> <1E200ECF-7824-4680-A38C-6201C057B2F0@feedle.net> <8e6971a90910141914j53b70cbcsde682eade688878b@mail.gmail.com> <36D04436-3299-445C-BEB2-7486CDE9E6BE@feedle.net> <307640010910142012w12ef08e2uf07b8b9867c5ab8b@mail.gmail.com> <86r5t5s10r.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> Message-ID: <4AD6B29A.8080409@noisybox.net> Russell, Thanks for chiming in! Russell Senior wrote: > Let me just interject here, that I think the solution is local, public > ownership of last-mile infrastructure. And that the infrastructure it > should own is fiber to every building in Portland, with freedom of > choice for individuals of who they peer with or choose to buy services > from at a public colocation facility. Sounds great, right! Since we own the buying dollar, why not force all those potential providers into the same closet and make them price/service war each other until we finally get something decent!? Sign me up! :) Seems like a reasonable path to $11/mo symmetric 100Mb. Since you didn't name/link drop, I will for everybody who wants to contribute: http://www.personaltelco.net/ Awesome project...lots to be done. -jason http://noisybox.net From jason at noisybox.net Thu Oct 15 01:31:32 2009 From: jason at noisybox.net (Jason Plumb) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:31:32 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] p2p mesh networks In-Reply-To: <243EC76F-B65D-4553-87D7-3BAA031AD405@earfeast.com> References: <1255559532.4471.101.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <43F76F76-059F-437A-B195-C4F04A7DB007@gmail.com> <4AD6A899.1000606@noisybox.net> <243EC76F-B65D-4553-87D7-3BAA031AD405@earfeast.com> Message-ID: <4AD6B3B4.7020601@noisybox.net> Jared Boone wrote: > I'm placing my bets on software-defined radio. Love it and mostly agree (though I think it might take more than 10 years). > Only a few big problems, all three-letter acronyms: FCC, FBI/CIA/NSA, > DRM... Those, and the exit/entry control/responsibility problem I suggested. Sadly, access to the internet is still in the hands of the big corporations. -jason http://noisybox.net From jason at noisybox.net Thu Oct 15 01:41:13 2009 From: jason at noisybox.net (Jason Plumb) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:41:13 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <63318DA0-F9AA-4C30-8A1C-B86954E1A8A4@mykle.com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <01c001ca4d0e$24010d10$6c032730$@com> <8c9a060910141416t7fb03fbeg8f86e35a624b974@mail.gmail.com> <01c701ca4d28$95468da0$bfd3a8e0$@com> <1E200ECF-7824-4680-A38C-6201C057B2F0@feedle.net> <8e6971a90910141914j53b70cbcsde682eade688878b@mail.gmail.com> <36D04436-3299-445C-BEB2-7486CDE9E6BE@feedle.net> <307640010910142012w12ef08e2uf07b8b9867c5ab8b@mail.gmail.com> <86r5t5s10r.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> <63318DA0-F9AA-4C30-8A1C-B86954E1A8A4@mykle.com> Message-ID: <4AD6B5F9.7010907@noisybox.net> Mykle Hansen wrote: > ...I use a line I rent from Qwest to reach Spiretech, > and then pay them to put packets on that line. This sounds > expensive, and maybe it is, but it means that Spiretech, not > Qwest, is my support department, and that has made *all* the > difference. I second this. I have been on Qwest with a local ISP for 6+ years now and it really truly does make all the difference. -jason http://noisybox.net From cameron at soycow.org Thu Oct 15 01:44:48 2009 From: cameron at soycow.org (Cameron Adamez) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:44:48 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <1E200ECF-7824-4680-A38C-6201C057B2F0@feedle.net> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <01c001ca4d0e$24010d10$6c032730$@com> <8c9a060910141416t7fb03fbeg8f86e35a624b974@mail.gmail.com> <01c701ca4d28$95468da0$bfd3a8e0$@com> <1E200ECF-7824-4680-A38C-6201C057B2F0@feedle.net> Message-ID: <9CE6ADA0-C6A4-4C4C-B0C1-A53AFF210F03@soycow.org> On Oct 14, 2009, at 6:24 PM, C. Sullivan wrote: > > They have already "pulled the plug." > > Verizon is selling their entire Pacific Northwest network (along with > other markets) to Frontier. The deal is signed, it's just pending FCC > and local regulatory approval. (Sources: http://fedl.info/f and http://fedl.info/h > ). Damn, really? The only good thing about Texas was that you could get 15Mb/s symmetrical via FiOS... of course, it was $75 at the time and the wires had just been installed. I'm not a big fan of Verizon, but it was very nice to have an internet that was faster than the university. I was hoping that *someday* we could get that over here. > Local regulatory agencies here in Oregon have expressed concerns > regarding Frontier's ability to manage and maintain an advanced > network. I heard in Norway (or some other Scandinavian country) people put in their own fiber connection (as in digging up their own yard). I'm guessing that county or city laws prevent us from doing this. Cameron From greg at grunest.com Thu Oct 15 02:13:43 2009 From: greg at grunest.com (Greg Grunest) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:13:43 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <9CE6ADA0-C6A4-4C4C-B0C1-A53AFF210F03@soycow.org> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <01c001ca4d0e$24010d10$6c032730$@com> <8c9a060910141416t7fb03fbeg8f86e35a624b974@mail.gmail.com> <01c701ca4d28$95468da0$bfd3a8e0$@com> <1E200ECF-7824-4680-A38C-6201C057B2F0@feedle.net> <9CE6ADA0-C6A4-4C4C-B0C1-A53AFF210F03@soycow.org> Message-ID: <01e401ca4d5e$a7ea1180$f7be3480$@com> I'm bummed to hear that Verizon already pulled the plug on FIOS. I don't see a small company having the resources to stick it out until the business model works. Again, not that I'm on the Comcast bandwagon or anything. Really. But I talked to a tech at the last install they did for me (about a month ago) and he said they have 150mb/sec connections currently being installed around Portland as far out as forest grove and Troutdale. They are not "standard" and you can't order them yet. He explained it as 3 multiplexed (via some sort of spread spectrum type of mechanism) 50mb/sec signals running through a single cable. He said cost was in the $100 - 120/month range. When I searched for info on it, all I could find was some blog dated in 2007 about it being available in a couple of years. It makes sense though for them to exploit fiber technologies in their installed (and paid for) medium. He mentioned a test case where they trunked multiple cables together to get a 1Gbs internet connection and I know you can "request a quote" on up to 1Gbs business class "Ethernet Internet" service. -----Original Message----- From: dorkbotpdx-blabber-bounces at dorkbot.org [mailto:dorkbotpdx-blabber-bounces at dorkbot.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Adamez Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:45 PM To: A discussion list for dorkbot-pdx (portland, or) Subject: Re: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? On Oct 14, 2009, at 6:24 PM, C. Sullivan wrote: > > They have already "pulled the plug." > > Verizon is selling their entire Pacific Northwest network (along with > other markets) to Frontier. The deal is signed, it's just pending FCC > and local regulatory approval. (Sources: http://fedl.info/f and http://fedl.info/h > ). Damn, really? The only good thing about Texas was that you could get 15Mb/s symmetrical via FiOS... of course, it was $75 at the time and the wires had just been installed. I'm not a big fan of Verizon, but it was very nice to have an internet that was faster than the university. I was hoping that *someday* we could get that over here. > Local regulatory agencies here in Oregon have expressed concerns > regarding Frontier's ability to manage and maintain an advanced > network. I heard in Norway (or some other Scandinavian country) people put in their own fiber connection (as in digging up their own yard). I'm guessing that county or city laws prevent us from doing this. Cameron _______________________________________________ dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From may.justin at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 11:11:24 2009 From: may.justin at gmail.com (Justin May) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:11:24 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] MIDI input ridiculousness In-Reply-To: <4b97fc180910031637u729c7d54ycb33ee04a1f04499@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b97fc180910031637u729c7d54ycb33ee04a1f04499@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That actually makes a lot of sense, thanks you so much. I put down the MIDI input stuff for a while and I've been working on the sound generation portion of my project. I'll try just ignoring spurious bits and see how that works out. On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Jared Arave wrote: > The first thing that came to mind was that perhaps your drum machine's > sending sync info, and your DAW isn't. Also, I don't know what your code > looks like, but I've had really good luck with thisMIDI library; plays nice with all my MIDI devices. > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Justin May wrote: > >> For a couple years now I've been tinkering with the idea of building my >> own synth. I have yet to get past the MIDI input stage for this reason: the >> MIDI coming out of my computer's interface (SB Live MPU dealy) works fine, >> but inptu coming form my drum machine or midi controller continuously sends >> erroneous data, consisting of mostly 1's with a couple 0's here and there. >> >> This problem has cropped up in every incarnation of my project. I started >> with a BasicX chip (slow piece of crap) hooked to an SPI UART (the Max3100 >> with a 4Mhz crystal) and this same behavior was observed. I then moved on to >> the Arduino (a Dorkboard). I used the same Max3100 SPI UART and got the same >> thing. So now I'm using the onboard serial port on the Arduino and am still >> getting this same behaviour. My computer's MIDI port works great, but my >> midi controller and drum machine just end up sending a bunch of garbage. >> >> I've also used 3 different kinds of 6N138 opto-isolators and nothing >> changed (used this circuit: >> http://www.arduino.cc/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1159290285/4). I then >> switched to a PC900 opto-isolator and am still getting the same rubbish. I >> am using the same circuits that a lot of other people on the net are using >> without problem, but for some reason I continuously get the same problem. >> I've even moved my circuit to a different bread board to no avail. >> >> Has anyone successfully gotten MIDI input working with several different >> devices? Am I falling into some common trap that nobody on the Internet >> talks about? Any guidence on this issue would be much appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Justin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list >> dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org >> http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091015/efc5ba1d/attachment.html From william at serpentcoil.com Thu Oct 15 11:24:28 2009 From: william at serpentcoil.com (William Benz) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:24:28 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <4AD6B5F9.7010907@noisybox.net> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <01c001ca4d0e$24010d10$6c032730$@com> <8c9a060910141416t7fb03fbeg8f86e35a624b974@mail.gmail.com> <01c701ca4d28$95468da0$bfd3a8e0$@com> <1E200ECF-7824-4680-A38C-6201C057B2F0@feedle.net> <8e6971a90910141914j53b70cbcsde682eade688878b@mail.gmail.com> <36D04436-3299-445C-BEB2-7486CDE9E6BE@feedle.net> <307640010910142012w12ef08e2uf07b8b9867c5ab8b@mail.gmail.com> <86r5t5s10r.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> <63318DA0-F9AA-4C30-8A1C-B86954E1A8A4@mykle.com> <4AD6B5F9.7010907@noisybox.net> Message-ID: <8119047E-F086-4269-AEC6-EEDBB0C529DA@serpentcoil.com> I've been with SpiritOne for over 12 years, started when they were called Aracnet.com. All my friends said I was a fool spending so much for my internet connection, but in over a decade I've lost service only a few times, and never for more than a matter of hours. Once my email went down for about four hours during an ice storm and my ISP called to let me it was up again. That's a lot different from the experience of my friends who had Comcast, or their complete service through Qwest alone. And recently, two of my friends who told me how cheap Clear was, were both down for days while they tried to reach a tech. Both were told to re-install their operating system and call back. It was over a week for both of them before service was restored without any clear explanation as to why they went down. It's not like I'm pushing Qwest. I don't want to go into the horror stories of initially working with Qwest to get them to allow me to use their DSL line with a separate ISP (especially in using a Mac). But that was 8 years ago. Still that terrible experience kept me from upgrading to a higher speed for years?"Let sleeping Telcos lie!" But when I did upgrade this year I found working with Qwest very easy, so easy I thought it might be a trap! This time, even their tech people sounded like they had a clue, or at least, could get me to a webpage containing the necessary info. Of course, I always had SpiritOne's excellent tech team to guide me along the way? a big help in trying to figure out work arounds with Qwest's system and equipment. I like a locally located ISP with a long track record, but small enough so you get to know their techs by their first names even when you've only called them a dozen times in as many years? "all" the difference. -Wm On Oct 14, 2009, at 10:41 PM, Jason Plumb wrote: > Mykle Hansen wrote: >> ...I use a line I rent from Qwest to reach Spiretech, >> and then pay them to put packets on that line. This sounds >> expensive, and maybe it is, but it means that Spiretech, not >> Qwest, is my support department, and that has made *all* the >> difference. > > I second this. I have been on Qwest with a local ISP for 6+ years now > and it really truly does make all the difference. > > -jason > http://noisybox.net > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091015/3f2a455c/attachment.html From garnere at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 12:21:18 2009 From: garnere at gmail.com (Eric Garner) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:21:18 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <8119047E-F086-4269-AEC6-EEDBB0C529DA@serpentcoil.com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <01c701ca4d28$95468da0$bfd3a8e0$@com> <1E200ECF-7824-4680-A38C-6201C057B2F0@feedle.net> <8e6971a90910141914j53b70cbcsde682eade688878b@mail.gmail.com> <36D04436-3299-445C-BEB2-7486CDE9E6BE@feedle.net> <307640010910142012w12ef08e2uf07b8b9867c5ab8b@mail.gmail.com> <86r5t5s10r.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> <63318DA0-F9AA-4C30-8A1C-B86954E1A8A4@mykle.com> <4AD6B5F9.7010907@noisybox.net> <8119047E-F086-4269-AEC6-EEDBB0C529DA@serpentcoil.com> Message-ID: I also have had service at home from SpiritOne (nee Aracnet) for ~15 years starting with a dial-up shell account when I was in high school and have nothing but positive things to say about them. In the years since I've bought business dsl, T1's and frame relay connections from Covad, XO, McLeod and Sprint all of which were total PITAs. the only problems I've had have been on the telco end and SpiritOne helped me resolve it every time. yes I "only" get 1.5 Mbit, but I don't use BitTorrent or other P2P apps so it's not a big deal. I also get 4 static IP's for cheap. Intel employees, of which I am one, get discount pricing on Clear to such a degree that it's around as cheap as what I pay Qwest for the use of my local loop for DSL only service. Even with that low of a price it still have not switched. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:24 AM, William Benz wrote: > I've been with SpiritOne for over 12 years, started when they were called > Aracnet.com. All my friends said I was a fool spending so much for my > internet connection, but in over a decade I've lost service only a few > times, and never for more than a matter of hours. Once my email went down > for about four hours during an ice storm and my ISP called to let me it was > up again. That's a lot different from the experience of my friends who had > Comcast, or their complete service through Qwest alone. And recently, two of > my friends who told me how cheap Clear was, were both down for days while > they tried to reach a tech. Both were told to re-install their operating > system and call back. It was over a week for both of them before service was > restored without any clear explanation as to why they went down. > It's not like I'm pushing Qwest. I don't want to go into the horror stories > of initially working with Qwest to get them to allow me to use their DSL > line with a separate ISP (especially in using a Mac). But that was 8 years > ago. Still that terrible experience kept me from upgrading to a higher speed > for years?"Let sleeping Telcos lie!" But when I did upgrade this year I > found working with Qwest very easy, so easy I thought it might be a trap! > This time, even their tech people sounded like they had a clue, or at least, > could get me to a webpage containing the necessary info. Of course, I always > had SpiritOne's excellent tech team to guide me along the way? a big help in > trying to figure out work arounds with Qwest's system and equipment. I like > a locally located ISP with a long track record, but small enough so you get > to know their techs by their first names even when you've only called them a > dozen times in as many years? "all" the difference. > -Wm > On Oct 14, 2009, at 10:41 PM, Jason Plumb wrote: > > Mykle Hansen wrote: > > ...I use a line I rent from Qwest to reach Spiretech, > and then pay them to put packets on that line.? This sounds > expensive, and maybe it is, but it means that Spiretech, not > Qwest, is my support department, and that has made *all* the > difference. > > I second this.? I have been on Qwest with a local ISP for 6+ years now > and it really truly does make all the difference. > -jason > http://noisybox.net > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -- --Eric _________________________________________ Eric Garner From gepr at tempusdictum.com Thu Oct 15 13:50:53 2009 From: gepr at tempusdictum.com (glen e. p. ropella) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:50:53 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> Message-ID: <4AD760FD.1040208@tempusdictum.com> Thus spake dave madden circa 10/14/2009 12:38 PM: > I think I saw some Clear modems at the last Dorkbot meeting. How do > they work? I've been thinking about getting one for use at my new > office downtown, particularly since Clear keeps sending me flyers with > New! Improved! Extra Low Pricing! FWIW, I'm very happy with Clear. I had a few problems when they were "doing work on one of the towers" near me. And there are some sporadic problems with IRC when it [dis]connects a lot. But other than that, it works and there have been few problems. To be clear, though, my needs are simple. I pass lots of data back and forth to servers; but I don't spend any time playing games or watching video. I _really_ like the idea that I can just unplug it and move it at will without calling some yahoo to "help" with the transition. But I haven't actually moved it. ;-) -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com From tirebiter at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 14:46:31 2009 From: tirebiter at gmail.com (Jomama) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:46:31 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> Message-ID: Remember that CLEAR is owned by %50 Sprint and %40 Comcast. Comcast is now reselling the service under their own name. The service is spotty. Sometimes its fast , most times not. I too have a USB modem that I never use. it works OK in the Portland area but almost nowhere else. I will be returning to Comcast soon. Unfortunately. From russell at personaltelco.net Thu Oct 15 14:52:30 2009 From: russell at personaltelco.net (Russell Senior) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:52:30 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <8119047E-F086-4269-AEC6-EEDBB0C529DA@serpentcoil.com> (William Benz's message of "Thu\, 15 Oct 2009 08\:24\:28 -0700") References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <01c001ca4d0e$24010d10$6c032730$@com> <8c9a060910141416t7fb03fbeg8f86e35a624b974@mail.gmail.com> <01c701ca4d28$95468da0$bfd3a8e0$@com> <1E200ECF-7824-4680-A38C-6201C057B2F0@feedle.net> <8e6971a90910141914j53b70cbcsde682eade688878b@mail.gmail.com> <36D04436-3299-445C-BEB2-7486CDE9E6BE@feedle.net> <307640010910142012w12ef08e2uf07b8b9867c5ab8b@mail.gmail.com> <86r5t5s10r.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> <63318DA0-F9AA-4C30-8A1C-B86954E1A8A4@mykle.com> <4AD6B5F9.7010907@noisybox.net> <8119047E-F086-4269-AEC6-EEDBB0C529DA@serpentcoil.com> Message-ID: <868wfcsd5d.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> >>>>> "William" == William Benz writes: William> It's not like I'm pushing Qwest. I don't want to go into William> the horror stories of initially working with Qwest to get William> them to allow me to use their DSL line with a separate ISP William> (especially in using a Mac). Right now, the big advantage of DSL is that you have freedom of choice over your ISP, and as such, you have freedom of choice over the terms of service. Other carriers are single-ISP choices. The reason you have a choice is that the public (through regulated monopolies) has an interest in the copper infrastructure that was built initially decades ago and with the protection of a government-approved monopoly and at government-approved rates and with a government-guaranteed rate of profit. That's why the PUC can tell the phone company that they need to make their infrastructure available to competitors at non-discriminatory rates. That is how Aracnet can sell you internet service over Qwest copper. Comcast and Verizon, with their fiber infrastructure, built in these latter days of deregulation, aren't obligated to provide competitors access. The City of Portland tried to get the cable company to open their network and ultimately lost in the courts. Also, newer DSL, where the DSLAMs are deployed in the neighborhoods are also not required to share access (e.g. the 20Mb/s DSL2 you can get in isolated pockets of the city ... near Montgomery Park i guess is one example). I just don't see a solution to this, within our legal system, without building or buying our own infrastructure. For a couple thousand bucks of investment (about that for sidewalks) per end-point, we can build infrastructure and own it. After that, transit over the infrastructure is nearly free. -- Russell Senior, President russell at personaltelco.net From dorkbot at mersenne.com Thu Oct 15 15:22:16 2009 From: dorkbot at mersenne.com (dave madden) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:22:16 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Oct 19 Group Order Message-ID: <1255634536.8876.4.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> "Wait, didn't we just get the parts from the LAST order?!?" Stuff I forgot, or got the wrong package (d'oh!): Qty 5, Mouser, 538-70553-0002, Headers R/A HDR 3P low profile single, $1.05, $5.25 Qty 2, Mouser, 616-74609-510-039, Enclosures, Boxes, & Cases DB-9 R/A TO BLANK, $1.95, $3.90 Qty 2, Mouser, 771-PCA82C250TD-T, Network Controller & Processor ICs HI-SPEED CAN XCVR, $1.40, $2.80 Qty 2, Mouser, 512-FAN2501S33X_Q, Low Dropout (LDO) Regulators LDO Voltage, $0.28, $0.56 Qty 2, Mouser, 621-AP1115AY50L-13, Low Dropout (LDO) Regulators LDO BI 0.6A 1.3V 12V 1.25V 5.0V FIX, $0.51, $1.02 Qty 5, Digikey, 240-2524-ND, 35T0501-10H FERRITE INDUCTR TOROID .540" OD, $0.23, $1.15 Qty 5, Digikey, 240-2532-ND, 40T0501-10H FERRITE INDUCTR TOROID .545" OD, $0.27, $1.35 -- David H. Madden - Mersenne Law LLC - www.mersenne.com 1500 SW First Ave. / Suite 1170 / Portland, Oregon 97201 From james.neal at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 17:58:36 2009 From: james.neal at gmail.com (Laen) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] Re: Oct 19 Group Order In-Reply-To: <1255634536.8876.4.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> References: <1255634536.8876.4.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> Message-ID: <253c5b8d-82dc-4d13-87be-1d9232a8fbf2@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Heh, and with this, I start the next Grouporder! Digikey and Mouser, as usual. Our special Guest Vendor this time will be: SparkFun! Order goes out at 5pm on October 19th. -Laen On Oct 15, 12:22?pm, dave madden wrote: > "Wait, didn't we just get the parts from the LAST order?!?" > > Stuff I forgot, or got the wrong package (d'oh!): > > Qty 5, Mouser, 538-70553-0002, Headers R/A HDR 3P low profile single, > $1.05, $5.25 > Qty 2, Mouser, 616-74609-510-039, Enclosures, Boxes, & Cases DB-9 R/A TO > BLANK, $1.95, $3.90 > Qty 2, Mouser, 771-PCA82C250TD-T, Network Controller & Processor ICs > HI-SPEED CAN XCVR, $1.40, $2.80 > Qty 2, Mouser, 512-FAN2501S33X_Q, Low Dropout (LDO) Regulators LDO > Voltage, $0.28, $0.56 > Qty 2, Mouser, 621-AP1115AY50L-13, Low Dropout (LDO) Regulators LDO BI > 0.6A 1.3V 12V 1.25V 5.0V FIX, $0.51, $1.02 > Qty 5, Digikey, 240-2524-ND, 35T0501-10H FERRITE INDUCTR TOROID .540" > OD, $0.23, $1.15 > Qty 5, Digikey, 240-2532-ND, 40T0501-10H FERRITE INDUCTR TOROID .545" > OD, $0.27, $1.35 > > -- > David H. Madden ?- ?Mersenne Law LLC ?- ?www.mersenne.com > 1500 SW First Ave. / Suite 1170 / Portland, Oregon ?97201 > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.orghttp://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From allyn at well.com Thu Oct 15 22:32:51 2009 From: allyn at well.com (Mark Allyn) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <307640010910142012w12ef08e2uf07b8b9867c5ab8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <01c001ca4d0e$24010d10$6c032730$@com> <8c9a060910141416t7fb03fbeg8f86e35a624b974@mail.gmail.com> <01c701ca4d28$95468da0$bfd3a8e0$@com> <1E200ECF-7824-4680-A38C-6201C057B2F0@feedle.net> <8e6971a90910141914j53b70cbcsde682eade688878b@mail.gmail.com> <36D04436-3299-445C-BEB2-7486CDE9E6BE@feedle.net> <307640010910142012w12ef08e2uf07b8b9867c5ab8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have Comcast business class service. It's about $100 per month. It's a *whole different* infrastructure of its own. I had it for about three years and there was only one outage and they were very responsive. It turned out that it was my own router's fault but they stepped me through on how to reset it. Truly, Mark Allyn Portland, Oregon www.allyn.com 971-563-7588 From greg at grunest.com Fri Oct 16 03:37:25 2009 From: greg at grunest.com (Greg Grunest) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:37:25 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> Message-ID: <022f01ca4e33$8216ee80$8644cb80$@com> Clear "owned" by Comcast?? I don't think that's accurate. Last I looked, Clear owned by ClearWire Corporation in Kirkland Washington had partnered with Comcast, Sprint and a handful of others to provide 4G wireless service on their WiMax network. This being an expansion of the services they have built and provided in Minnesota and Chicago. Their Executive team is made up of Ex-Sprint Exec's, European telco guys and some European Intel Sales Guys. All major stock purchases filed with the SEC since their inception have been by their Execs. (because at $8 bucks a share, it's still overpriced to anyone else) Comcast or Sprint haven't made any purchases of ClearWire stock since their inception. Their existing partnership in Chicago with divisions of Sprint services made them look to be "in bed" with Sprint but it is nothing more than a partnership. So, while I'll admit that their Board of Exec's read like a list of rodents leaving a sinking ship named "Sprint" and "British Telecom", they are not OWNED in whole or in part by Comcast or Sprint. Yes, Comcast, Sprint and ANYONE in the NW offering 4G service is reselling ClearWire services. But that's only because thanks to the FCC, no one has been able to process the paperwork and then in the timely manner (required by the FCC) install a 4G network device other than ClearWire. (Something about ClearWire purchasing 90% of all the tower locations and most of the frequency allotment designated by the FCC for "Ultra Wideband Sparse Array Communications Networks"). Hmmm... If anything, looking for conspiracies in the 4G network market you should look at ClearWire and the FCC. And as much as I'd love to see the FCC have stink on their faces, I think they were just too stupid to realize what they were doing. Is my hatred of the FCC obvious? Sorry. You try being followed and photographed for 6 months by someone and not hating them. I finally had to file a restraining order. The poor misguided FCC. She was just infatuated with me. (that last part I might have made up) I believe the FCC regulations surrounding 4G communications is slated to be re-written this month or next. This should in turn allow Comcast to build their own network should they choose and for AT&T to finish theirs. Maybe Sprint will build their own too or maybe they'll just purchase the existing towers and infrastructure when ClearWire goes under. Is one of those Execs a Mole? That would be AWESOME! -----Original Message----- From: dorkbotpdx-blabber-bounces at dorkbot.org [mailto:dorkbotpdx-blabber-bounces at dorkbot.org] On Behalf Of Jomama Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:47 AM To: A discussion list for dorkbot-pdx (portland, or) Subject: Re: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? Remember that CLEAR is owned by %50 Sprint and %40 Comcast. Comcast is now reselling the service under their own name. The service is spotty. Sometimes its fast , most times not. I too have a USB modem that I never use. it works OK in the Portland area but almost nowhere else. I will be returning to Comcast soon. Unfortunately. _______________________________________________ dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From greg at grunest.com Fri Oct 16 03:50:36 2009 From: greg at grunest.com (Greg Grunest) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:50:36 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] Re: Oct 19 Group Order In-Reply-To: <253c5b8d-82dc-4d13-87be-1d9232a8fbf2@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <1255634536.8876.4.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <253c5b8d-82dc-4d13-87be-1d9232a8fbf2@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <023001ca4e35$5943a8c0$0bcafa40$@com> "Our special Guest Vendor this time will be: SparkFun!" -Laen Two words: "YEAH SPARKFUN!" Can I get: Qty 1,SparkFun,SEN-08712,Touch sensor strips,$21.95,$21.95 Qty 4,SparkFun,SEN-08606,Really Cool flexi sensor strips,$12.95,$51.80 (If it's not obvious, I don't know what they are really called) Thanks, Greg From feedle at feedle.net Fri Oct 16 04:18:40 2009 From: feedle at feedle.net (C. Sullivan) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:18:40 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <022f01ca4e33$8216ee80$8644cb80$@com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <022f01ca4e33$8216ee80$8644cb80$@com> Message-ID: <961C6771-EA50-4BF2-82AE-E4AA13060879@feedle.net> On Oct 16, 2009, at 12:37 AM, Greg Grunest wrote: > So, while I'll admit that their Board of Exec's read like a list of > rodents > leaving a sinking ship named "Sprint" and "British Telecom", they > are not > OWNED in whole or in part by Comcast or Sprint. You might want to check your facts on that. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/deutsche_telekom_wants_clearwire_DSEP3tfHmkbZFXDUIFLDCM says otherwise. From feedle at feedle.net Fri Oct 16 04:26:43 2009 From: feedle at feedle.net (C. Sullivan) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:26:43 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <961C6771-EA50-4BF2-82AE-E4AA13060879@feedle.net> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <022f01ca4e33$8216ee80$8644cb80$@com> <961C6771-EA50-4BF2-82AE-E4AA13060879@feedle.net> Message-ID: <90BC20D4-887B-49E6-87EA-C5ECF55B6DCB@feedle.net> On Oct 16, 2009, at 1:18 AM, C. Sullivan wrote: > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 12:37 AM, Greg Grunest wrote: > >> So, while I'll admit that their Board of Exec's read like a list of >> rodents >> leaving a sinking ship named "Sprint" and "British Telecom", they >> are not >> OWNED in whole or in part by Comcast or Sprint. > > You might want to check your facts on that. > > http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/deutsche_telekom_wants_clearwire_DSEP3tfHmkbZFXDUIFLDCM > says otherwise. Further, their EDGAR filings show the following ownership of Class B Stock: Sprint Holdings Co. 51.12% Comcast Corporation 8.53% Time Warner Cable 4.47% Brighthouse Networks LLC 0.81% Intel Corporation 8.13% Google 4.06% But don't confuse your mind with the facts, right? From plskeggs at noeticdesign.com Fri Oct 16 10:56:50 2009 From: plskeggs at noeticdesign.com (Pete Skeggs) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:56:50 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <90BC20D4-887B-49E6-87EA-C5ECF55B6DCB@feedle.net> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <022f01ca4e33$8216ee80$8644cb80$@com> <961C6771-EA50-4BF2-82AE-E4AA13060879@feedle.net> <90BC20D4-887B-49E6-87EA-C5ECF55B6DCB@feedle.net> Message-ID: <4AD889B2.3030401@noeticdesign.com> Sooo, getting back to the technical aspects of Clear's service if I may, I've been unable to get satisfactory answers to the following: - can you get a fixed IP address? how much more per month is it? - how good is the encryption on the base service (independent of whether you're using SSL, etc.), compared to, say, WPA-2? - do you really want all your browsing in the "Clear" (pun intended) over a wireless connection? or is the base encryption acceptable? -Pete From dorkbot at mersenne.com Fri Oct 16 11:14:32 2009 From: dorkbot at mersenne.com (dave madden) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:14:32 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1255706072.8876.15.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 10:57 -0400, Pete Skeggs wrote: > - can you get a fixed IP address? how much more per month is it? The website says the small/home office plans get a static IP. The cheapest is $40/mo, goes up to $120. > - how good is the encryption on the base service (independent of > whether you're using SSL, etc.), compared to, say, WPA-2? I dunno. I plan to VPN back home, and go out my Comcast line. Still have to see if that's fast enough. -- David H. Madden - Mersenne Law LLC - www.mersenne.com 1500 SW First Ave. / Suite 1170 / Portland, Oregon 97201 From feedle at feedle.net Fri Oct 16 11:55:57 2009 From: feedle at feedle.net (C. Sullivan) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:55:57 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <4AD889B2.3030401@noeticdesign.com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <022f01ca4e33$8216ee80$8644cb80$@com> <961C6771-EA50-4BF2-82AE-E4AA13060879@feedle.net> <90BC20D4-887B-49E6-87EA-C5ECF55B6DCB@feedle.net> <4AD889B2.3030401@noeticdesign.com> Message-ID: <37C4EDBD-E7B5-4117-AAB7-07D1E7485936@feedle.net> On Oct 16, 2009, at 7:56 AM, Pete Skeggs wrote: > Sooo, getting back to the technical aspects of Clear's service if I > may, > I've been unable to get satisfactory answers to the following: > - can you get a fixed IP address? how much more per month is it? You can get a fixed IP address on their consumer service: however, the way they do it makes it useless for anything you might actually want to use it for. Your endpoint still has a 10.x.x.x address, and the NAT isn't symmetrical (that is, they don't automatically route any arbitrary port directly to you: they only forward 'open' ports). All it does is makes any OUTBOUND connection you make have a consistent external IP address. From greg at grunest.com Fri Oct 16 13:06:48 2009 From: greg at grunest.com (Greg Grunest) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:06:48 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <90BC20D4-887B-49E6-87EA-C5ECF55B6DCB@feedle.net> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <022f01ca4e33$8216ee80$8644cb80$@com> <961C6771-EA50-4BF2-82AE-E4AA13060879@feedle.net> <90BC20D4-887B-49E6-87EA-C5ECF55B6DCB@feedle.net> Message-ID: <025401ca4e83$0c7d21d0$25776570$@com> WOW . Good fact checking. When I read the comment last night I didn't believe it and went fact checking myself. I used to continuously have an argument with an old friend of mine that MCI was in fact NOT owned by be Russian mob and so I felt the need to clear Clear's name of being in bed with Comcast. I looked at their EDGAR database filings (all 6 listed entities including the holdings company). Of particular interest was http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1285551/000095012308016637/y72971exv9 9w1.htm which shows a $3.2 billion dollar investment into clearwire by Sprint, Google, Time Warner, Comcast, Etc... but doesn't show any transfer of corporate stock or an agreement in the change of ownership. In fact, if anything the legal verbiage attached says.. "Hey, we gave them money but don't look back at us if this all blows up in ClearWires face" And then looked at all their posted SEC filings http://investors.clearwire.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=198722&p=irol-seclanding which doesn't show any stock distributions to Sprint, Intel, Comcast, Time Warner, or Google over the past two years. I then found numerous articles by those Sprint board members stating that in fact they were only "dating" and hadn't moved in with Sprint yet. I'd love to see the article which states who owns what of the ClearWire stock because you obviously found it and I couldn't. So, I didn't "confuse my mind with the facts" as you stated. Or.... maybe I did. But now you can see which facts confused me. I stand corrected. Also... The MCI / Russian Mob debate isn't really over so if you could find some info on that too, I would appreciate it. -Greg -----Original Message----- From: dorkbotpdx-blabber-bounces at dorkbot.org [mailto:dorkbotpdx-blabber-bounces at dorkbot.org] On Behalf Of C. Sullivan Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 1:27 AM To: A discussion list for dorkbot-pdx (portland, or) Subject: Re: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? On Oct 16, 2009, at 1:18 AM, C. Sullivan wrote: > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 12:37 AM, Greg Grunest wrote: > >> So, while I'll admit that their Board of Exec's read like a list of >> rodents >> leaving a sinking ship named "Sprint" and "British Telecom", they >> are not >> OWNED in whole or in part by Comcast or Sprint. > > You might want to check your facts on that. > > http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/deutsche_telekom_wants_clearwire_DSEP3 tfHmkbZFXDUIFLDCM > says otherwise. Further, their EDGAR filings show the following ownership of Class B Stock: Sprint Holdings Co. 51.12% Comcast Corporation 8.53% Time Warner Cable 4.47% Brighthouse Networks LLC 0.81% Intel Corporation 8.13% Google 4.06% But don't confuse your mind with the facts, right? _______________________________________________ dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From feedle at feedle.net Fri Oct 16 13:40:03 2009 From: feedle at feedle.net (C. Sullivan) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:40:03 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <025401ca4e83$0c7d21d0$25776570$@com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <022f01ca4e33$8216ee80$8644cb80$@com> <961C6771-EA50-4BF2-82AE-E4AA13060879@feedle.net> <90BC20D4-887B-49E6-87EA-C5ECF55B6DCB@feedle.net> <025401ca4e83$0c7d21d0$25776570$@com> Message-ID: <5DB684B3-B16C-4E7B-8E46-13143E420D30@feedle.net> On Oct 16, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Greg Grunest wrote: > I then found numerous articles > by those Sprint board members stating that in fact they were only > "dating" > and hadn't moved in with Sprint yet. Clearwire Corporation's latest 10-Q filing in EDGAR is all the information you need. That's where the numbers I posted came from. Note: a company website might not have all the latest filings. Hoovers.com (or a similarly reliable third-party source) will. http://www.hoovers.com/free/co/secoutline.xhtml?ID=133246&ipage=6749557 On a side note, companies don't just hand over hunks of money to other companies with nothing in return. In this post-Sarbanes-Oxley world, people go to jail for that sort of thing. From william at serpentcoil.com Fri Oct 16 14:35:44 2009 From: william at serpentcoil.com (William Benz) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:35:44 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <5DB684B3-B16C-4E7B-8E46-13143E420D30@feedle.net> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <022f01ca4e33$8216ee80$8644cb80$@com> <961C6771-EA50-4BF2-82AE-E4AA13060879@feedle.net> <90BC20D4-887B-49E6-87EA-C5ECF55B6DCB@feedle.net> <025401ca4e83$0c7d21d0$25776570$@com> <5DB684B3-B16C-4E7B-8E46-13143E420D30@feedle.net> Message-ID: On Oct 16, 2009, at 10:40 AM, C. Sullivan wrote: > On a side note, companies don't just hand over hunks of money to other > companies with nothing in return. In this post-Sarbanes-Oxley world, > people go to jail for that sort of thing. Ah, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan praised the Sarbanes-Oxley Act saying "I'm surprised that the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, so rapidly developed and enacted, has functioned as well as it has ... the act importantly reinforced the principle that shareholders own our corporations and that corporate managers should be working on behalf of shareholders to allocate business resources to their optimum use." ? The same Alan Greenspan that said he praised the rise of an unregulated subprime mortgage industry and the tools which it uses to assess credit-worthiness. Aparently you can hand over large hunks of money to companies with nothing in return and not go to jail if you're the Federal Reserve (a private corporation) and only use taxpayer's money. As the song says, "Steal a little and they throw you in jail; steal a lot and they make you King!" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091016/0256128f/attachment.html From gunterhausfrau at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 15:36:49 2009 From: gunterhausfrau at gmail.com (dan p) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:36:49 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <022f01ca4e33$8216ee80$8644cb80$@com> <961C6771-EA50-4BF2-82AE-E4AA13060879@feedle.net> <90BC20D4-887B-49E6-87EA-C5ECF55B6DCB@feedle.net> <025401ca4e83$0c7d21d0$25776570$@com> <5DB684B3-B16C-4E7B-8E46-13143E420D30@feedle.net> Message-ID: <8e6971a90910161236x5c2e2515qb38f112896e4c2ca@mail.gmail.com> ...and we are back off track. (not saying I disagree, or agree, but it is off topic) On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:35 AM, William Benz wrote: > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 10:40 AM, C. Sullivan wrote: > > On a side note, companies don't just hand over hunks of money to other > companies with nothing in return. In this post-Sarbanes-Oxley world, > people go to jail for that sort of thing. > > > Ah, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Former Federal Reserve Chairman > Alan Greenspan praised the Sarbanes-Oxley Act saying *"I'm surprised that > the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, so rapidly developed and enacted, has functioned as > well as it has ... the act importantly reinforced the principle that > shareholders own our corporations and that corporate managers should be > working on behalf of shareholders to allocate business resources to their > optimum use."* ? > > The same Alan Greenspan that said he praised the rise of an unregulated > subprime mortgage industry and the tools which it uses to assess > credit-worthiness. Aparently you can hand over large hunks of money > to companies with nothing in return and not go to jail if you're the Federal > Reserve (a private corporation) and only use taxpayer's money. > > As the song says, *"Steal a little and they throw you in jail; steal a lot > and they make you King!"* > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091016/7ed338ef/attachment.html From greg at grunest.com Fri Oct 16 15:44:36 2009 From: greg at grunest.com (Greg Grunest) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:44:36 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? - Off Topic ??? WAY OFF TOPIC In-Reply-To: <8e6971a90910161236x5c2e2515qb38f112896e4c2ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <022f01ca4e33$8216ee80$8644cb80$@com> <961C6771-EA50-4BF2-82AE-E4AA13060879@feedle.net> <90BC20D4-887B-49E6-87EA-C5ECF55B6DCB@feedle.net> <025401ca4e83$0c7d21d0$25776570$@com> <5DB684B3-B16C-4E7B-8E46-13143E420D30@feedle.net> <8e6971a90910161236x5c2e2515qb38f112896e4c2ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <026701ca4e99$17e4e4c0$47aeae40$@com> Was there a track? Damn! I knew I missed it. Off track? How about this? How do you pronounce Sarbanes-Oxley? I've talked to ten different people and they all say it in a different way. It's almost as bad as "Chipotle" which I'm sure is not pronounced "Shay-Poodle" but I'm going to continue saying it that way cause I can. Where's my Ridlin? From: dorkbotpdx-blabber-bounces at dorkbot.org [mailto:dorkbotpdx-blabber-bounces at dorkbot.org] On Behalf Of dan p Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:37 PM To: A discussion list for dorkbot-pdx (portland, or) Subject: Re: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? ...and we are back off track. (not saying I disagree, or agree, but it is off topic) On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:35 AM, William Benz wrote: On Oct 16, 2009, at 10:40 AM, C. Sullivan wrote: On a side note, companies don't just hand over hunks of money to other companies with nothing in return. In this post-Sarbanes-Oxley world, people go to jail for that sort of thing. Ah, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan praised the Sarbanes-Oxley Act saying "I'm surprised that the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, so rapidly developed and enacted, has functioned as well as it has ... the act importantly reinforced the principle that shareholders own our corporations and that corporate managers should be working on behalf of shareholders to allocate business resources to their optimum use." ? The same Alan Greenspan that said he praised the rise of an unregulated subprime mortgage industry and the tools which it uses to assess credit-worthiness. Aparently you can hand over large hunks of money to companies with nothing in return and not go to jail if you're the Federal Reserve (a private corporation) and only use taxpayer's money. As the song says, "Steal a little and they throw you in jail; steal a lot and they make you King!" _______________________________________________ dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091016/8757e96a/attachment-0001.html From ddelmardavis at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 16:08:45 2009 From: ddelmardavis at gmail.com (Donald Delmar Davis) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:08:45 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear the Internet? - Nah. How about ordering mega328s? In-Reply-To: <026701ca4e99$17e4e4c0$47aeae40$@com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <022f01ca4e33$8216ee80$8644cb80$@com> <961C6771-EA50-4BF2-82AE-E4AA13060879@feedle.net> <90BC20D4-887B-49E6-87EA-C5ECF55B6DCB@feedle.net> <025401ca4e83$0c7d21d0$25776570$@com> <5DB684B3-B16C-4E7B-8E46-13143E420D30@feedle.net> <8e6971a90910161236x5c2e2515qb38f112896e4c2ca@mail.gmail.com> <026701ca4e99$17e4e4c0$47aeae40$@com> Message-ID: I regret having contributed to this rathole and I don't believe in moderating blabber. However I think we are going to start seeing people unsubscribing soon if its not taken off list and thats probably not good for the community. ...... So changing the subject. ..... I need to replace 14 Mega328s that surplus gizmos fronted me for the last workshop. Is anyone interested in pushing this to at lest q25 prices? Don. From william at serpentcoil.com Fri Oct 16 16:14:27 2009 From: william at serpentcoil.com (William Benz) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:14:27 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <8e6971a90910161236x5c2e2515qb38f112896e4c2ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <022f01ca4e33$8216ee80$8644cb80$@com> <961C6771-EA50-4BF2-82AE-E4AA13060879@feedle.net> <90BC20D4-887B-49E6-87EA-C5ECF55B6DCB@feedle.net> <025401ca4e83$0c7d21d0$25776570$@com> <5DB684B3-B16C-4E7B-8E46-13143E420D30@feedle.net> <8e6971a90910161236x5c2e2515qb38f112896e4c2ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <56BA30D0-F261-4A05-A927-09ED5961562B@serpentcoil.com> On Oct 16, 2009, at 12:36 PM, dan p wrote: > ...and we are back off track. (not saying I disagree, or agree, but > it is off topic) Considering the original limited intent of the question, I stand corrected. From brettn at teleport.com Fri Oct 16 16:46:56 2009 From: brettn at teleport.com (brett) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:46:56 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear the Internet? - Nah. How about ordering mega328s? In-Reply-To: References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <022f01ca4e33$8216ee80$8644cb80$@com> <961C6771-EA50-4BF2-82AE-E4AA13060879@feedle.net> <90BC20D4-887B-49E6-87EA-C5ECF55B6DCB@feedle.net> <025401ca4e83$0c7d21d0$25776570$@com> <5DB684B3-B16C-4E7B-8E46-13143E420D30@feedle.net> <8e6971a90910161236x5c2e2515qb38f112896e4c2ca@mail.gmail.com> <026701ca4e99$17e4e4c0$47aeae40$@com> Message-ID: <1255726016.10028.2.camel@brett-desktop> If your talkin' the 28 DIP package & can help put the Arduino bootloader on them, I'd gladly pick up the additional 11 pieces. Brett On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 13:08 -0700, Donald Delmar Davis wrote: > > ...... So changing the subject. ..... > > I need to replace 14 Mega328s that surplus gizmos fronted me for the > last workshop. Is anyone interested in pushing this to at lest q25 > prices? > > Don. > > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From greg at grunest.com Fri Oct 16 17:01:51 2009 From: greg at grunest.com (Greg Grunest) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:01:51 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? In-Reply-To: <5DB684B3-B16C-4E7B-8E46-13143E420D30@feedle.net> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <022f01ca4e33$8216ee80$8644cb80$@com> <961C6771-EA50-4BF2-82AE-E4AA13060879@feedle.net> <90BC20D4-887B-49E6-87EA-C5ECF55B6DCB@feedle.net> <025401ca4e83$0c7d21d0$25776570$@com> <5DB684B3-B16C-4E7B-8E46-13143E420D30@feedle.net> Message-ID: <027501ca4ea3$e2d95490$a88bfdb0$@com> MAN! You're fact checking abilities and knowledge of SEC filing sites ROCK!. Thanks. I'd never used the Hoovers site before and it has a much better layout than the SEC site. I found stuff on there I had never found before on the sec.gov site. (nothing about the mob and MCI though) I found the exact numbers of shares traded in the $3.2B exchange and their matching percentages of ownership as you mentioned in like 3 minutes. I didn't understand why Google received a different type of stock for their money. ??? I even went back to the sec.gov site to try and find the EXACT same portions of the 10-Q filing that were so easy to find on the Hoover site and I gave up after 15 minutes. However, in the midst of my looking, I found this... "We started operations on January 1, 2007 as a developmental stage company representing a collection of assets, related liabilities and activities accounted for in various legal entities that were wholly-owned subsidiaries of Sprint Nextel Corporation, which we refer to as Sprint or the Parent." Ummm... yeah... my bad! I stand corrected! It's a little hard not to be in cahoots with the company that you're a "wholly owned subsidiary" of. Will you ever forgive me? -----Original Message----- From: dorkbotpdx-blabber-bounces at dorkbot.org [mailto:dorkbotpdx-blabber-bounces at dorkbot.org] On Behalf Of C. Sullivan Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 10:40 AM To: A discussion list for dorkbot-pdx (portland, or) Subject: Re: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear Internet? On Oct 16, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Greg Grunest wrote: > I then found numerous articles > by those Sprint board members stating that in fact they were only > "dating" > and hadn't moved in with Sprint yet. Clearwire Corporation's latest 10-Q filing in EDGAR is all the information you need. That's where the numbers I posted came from. Note: a company website might not have all the latest filings. Hoovers.com (or a similarly reliable third-party source) will. http://www.hoovers.com/free/co/secoutline.xhtml?ID=133246&ipage=6749557 On a side note, companies don't just hand over hunks of money to other companies with nothing in return. In this post-Sarbanes-Oxley world, people go to jail for that sort of thing. _______________________________________________ dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From scott at dixons.mailworks.org Fri Oct 16 17:06:22 2009 From: scott at dixons.mailworks.org (Scott Dixon) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:06:22 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear the Internet? - Nah. How about ordering mega328s? In-Reply-To: <1255726016.10028.2.camel@brett-desktop> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <022f01ca4e33$8216ee80$8644cb80$@com> <961C6771-EA50-4BF2-82AE-E4AA13060879@feedle.net> <90BC20D4-887B-49E6-87EA-C5ECF55B6DCB@feedle.net> <025401ca4e83$0c7d21d0$25776570$@com> <5DB684B3-B16C-4E7B-8E46-13143E420D30@feedle.net> <8e6971a90910161236x5c2e2515qb38f112896e4c2ca@mail.gmail.com> <026701ca4e99$17e4e4c0$47aeae40$@com> <1255726016.10028.2.camel@brett-desktop> Message-ID: I'll take three as well. -scott On Oct 16, 2009, at 1:46 PM, brett wrote: > If your talkin' the 28 DIP package & can help put the Arduino > bootloader > on them, I'd gladly pick up the additional 11 pieces. > > Brett > > > On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 13:08 -0700, Donald Delmar Davis wrote: > >> >> ...... So changing the subject. ..... >> >> I need to replace 14 Mega328s that surplus gizmos fronted me for the >> last workshop. Is anyone interested in pushing this to at lest q25 >> prices? >> >> Don. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list >> dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org >> http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From thomas at lockney.net Fri Oct 16 17:12:56 2009 From: thomas at lockney.net (Thomas Lockney) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:12:56 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear the Internet? - Nah. How about ordering mega328s? In-Reply-To: References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <022f01ca4e33$8216ee80$8644cb80$@com> <961C6771-EA50-4BF2-82AE-E4AA13060879@feedle.net> <90BC20D4-887B-49E6-87EA-C5ECF55B6DCB@feedle.net> <025401ca4e83$0c7d21d0$25776570$@com> <5DB684B3-B16C-4E7B-8E46-13143E420D30@feedle.net> <8e6971a90910161236x5c2e2515qb38f112896e4c2ca@mail.gmail.com> <026701ca4e99$17e4e4c0$47aeae40$@com> Message-ID: <7a05808a0910161412y346b42a1saf45c47efaafba99@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Donald Delmar Davis wrote: > I regret having contributed to this rathole and I don't believe in > moderating blabber. > Yeah, I feel similarly... don't want to moderate, but.. > However I think we are going to start seeing people unsubscribing > soon if its not taken off list and thats probably not good for the > community. > also don't want to see people driven away. And sadly, I've already seen one person leave today. Thanks for supplying the diversion back to something more relevant. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091016/4d673b24/attachment.html From ddelmardavis at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 17:25:14 2009 From: ddelmardavis at gmail.com (Donald Delmar Davis) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:25:14 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Clear the Internet? - Nah. How about ordering mega328s? In-Reply-To: <1255726016.10028.2.camel@brett-desktop> References: <1255549113.4471.87.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <022f01ca4e33$8216ee80$8644cb80$@com> <961C6771-EA50-4BF2-82AE-E4AA13060879@feedle.net> <90BC20D4-887B-49E6-87EA-C5ECF55B6DCB@feedle.net> <025401ca4e83$0c7d21d0$25776570$@com> <5DB684B3-B16C-4E7B-8E46-13143E420D30@feedle.net> <8e6971a90910161236x5c2e2515qb38f112896e4c2ca@mail.gmail.com> <026701ca4e99$17e4e4c0$47aeae40$@com> <1255726016.10028.2.camel@brett-desktop> Message-ID: Brett, Fantastic! And yes I mean the 20mhz dip package and I will gladly put the bootloaders on them. Don. On Oct 16, 2009, at 1:46 PM, brett wrote: > If your talkin' the 28 DIP package & can help put the Arduino > bootloader > on them, I'd gladly pick up the additional 11 pieces. > > Brett > > > On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 13:08 -0700, Donald Delmar Davis wrote: > >> >> ...... So changing the subject. ..... >> >> I need to replace 14 Mega328s that surplus gizmos fronted me for the >> last workshop. Is anyone interested in pushing this to at lest q25 >> prices? >> >> Don. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list >> dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org >> http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From ddelmardavis at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 18:06:56 2009 From: ddelmardavis at gmail.com (Donald Delmar Davis) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:06:56 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] Re: Oct 19 Group Order (A good time to Mega328s) In-Reply-To: <253c5b8d-82dc-4d13-87be-1d9232a8fbf2@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <1255634536.8876.4.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <253c5b8d-82dc-4d13-87be-1d9232a8fbf2@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <7BCF910B-C65D-4B76-BAEF-C4CD63A4C8A7@gmail.com> I will not submit the order for the workshops until later during the week but between brett, scott and TDI the Mega328 in the dip package will be a q25 prices or below. (ATmega328P- PU ) On Oct 15, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Laen wrote: > Heh, and with this, I start the next Grouporder! > > Digikey and Mouser, as usual. > > Our special Guest Vendor this time will be: SparkFun! > > Order goes out at 5pm on October 19th. > > -Laen > > On Oct 15, 12:22 pm, dave madden wrote: >> "Wait, didn't we just get the parts from the LAST order?!?" >> >> Stuff I forgot, or got the wrong package (d'oh!): >> >> Qty 5, Mouser, 538-70553-0002, Headers R/A HDR 3P low profile single, >> $1.05, $5.25 >> Qty 2, Mouser, 616-74609-510-039, Enclosures, Boxes, & Cases DB-9 R/ >> A TO >> BLANK, $1.95, $3.90 >> Qty 2, Mouser, 771-PCA82C250TD-T, Network Controller & Processor ICs >> HI-SPEED CAN XCVR, $1.40, $2.80 >> Qty 2, Mouser, 512-FAN2501S33X_Q, Low Dropout (LDO) Regulators LDO >> Voltage, $0.28, $0.56 >> Qty 2, Mouser, 621-AP1115AY50L-13, Low Dropout (LDO) Regulators LDO >> BI >> 0.6A 1.3V 12V 1.25V 5.0V FIX, $0.51, $1.02 >> Qty 5, Digikey, 240-2524-ND, 35T0501-10H FERRITE INDUCTR TOROID .540" >> OD, $0.23, $1.15 >> Qty 5, Digikey, 240-2532-ND, 40T0501-10H FERRITE INDUCTR TOROID .545" >> OD, $0.27, $1.35 >> >> -- >> David H. Madden - Mersenne Law LLC - www.mersenne.com >> 1500 SW First Ave. / Suite 1170 / Portland, Oregon 97201 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list >> dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.orghttp://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091016/2187fadf/attachment-0001.html From dorkbot at mersenne.com Fri Oct 16 19:32:57 2009 From: dorkbot at mersenne.com (dave madden) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:32:57 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] Sort of Group Order for 328Ps... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1255735977.4476.9.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 18:07 -0400, Donald Delmar Davis wrote: > I need to replace 14 Mega328s that surplus gizmos fronted me for the > last workshop. Is anyone interested in pushing this to at lest q25 > prices? I could probably use 2-3. I see you've already got 25+, but if you need a few more to get over 50, I'm in. (Otherwise, order or not as you see fit. I have a couple that I use for testing various things, and it's easy enough to reprogram when I need to.) BTW, I wrote an auto-bauding bootloader that implements the Atmel serial protocol, and fits in 256 words (512 bytes). Oh, and a Linux downloader that reads Intel HEX files. If anybody wants to use them or look at them or whatever. [whoops, correction, my x328 bootloader is 0x228 bytes. I cut all the optional stuff out of a version for ATmega8 and fit it in 512. You could do the same on the 328 bootloader, but you'd lose LED blinking and such-like.] Regards, -- David H. Madden - Mersenne Law LLC - www.mersenne.com 1500 SW First Ave. / Suite 1170 / Portland, Oregon 97201 From feedle at feedle.net Fri Oct 16 19:58:17 2009 From: feedle at feedle.net (feedle) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:58:17 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Propellor... Message-ID: <1255737497.14133.0.camel@pluto> As someone who helped the last discussion get off track, let me redeem myself by asking something totally relevant. Has anybody played with the Propeller chips that Parallax is cranking out? I'm intrigued by the design and the fact that video seems pretty easy to do with one... From james.neal at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 20:35:07 2009 From: james.neal at gmail.com (Laen) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] Re: Oct 19 Group Order (A good time to Mega328s) In-Reply-To: <7BCF910B-C65D-4B76-BAEF-C4CD63A4C8A7@gmail.com> References: <1255634536.8876.4.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <253c5b8d-82dc-4d13-87be-1d9232a8fbf2@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <7BCF910B-C65D-4B76-BAEF-C4CD63A4C8A7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4baf4ba7-fc35-4a72-945e-70f7ba40ea45@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com> I'll also be ordering a bunch (30-50) atmega328P-AU (surface mount TQFP 32)s, for those interested. This'll drop the price to $2.70/ chip. -Laen On Oct 16, 3:06?pm, Donald Delmar Davis wrote: > I will not submit the order for the workshops until later during the ? > week but between brett, scott and TDI the Mega328 in the dip package ? > will be a q25 prices or below. > > (ATmega328P- PU ) > > On Oct 15, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Laen wrote: > > > Heh, and with this, I start the next Grouporder! > > > Digikey and Mouser, as usual. > > > Our special Guest Vendor this time will be: SparkFun! > > > Order goes out at 5pm on October 19th. > > > -Laen > > > On Oct 15, 12:22 pm, dave madden wrote: > >> "Wait, didn't we just get the parts from the LAST order?!?" > > >> Stuff I forgot, or got the wrong package (d'oh!): > > >> Qty 5, Mouser, 538-70553-0002, Headers R/A HDR 3P low profile single, > >> $1.05, $5.25 > >> Qty 2, Mouser, 616-74609-510-039, Enclosures, Boxes, & Cases DB-9 R/ > >> A TO > >> BLANK, $1.95, $3.90 > >> Qty 2, Mouser, 771-PCA82C250TD-T, Network Controller & Processor ICs > >> HI-SPEED CAN XCVR, $1.40, $2.80 > >> Qty 2, Mouser, 512-FAN2501S33X_Q, Low Dropout (LDO) Regulators LDO > >> Voltage, $0.28, $0.56 > >> Qty 2, Mouser, 621-AP1115AY50L-13, Low Dropout (LDO) Regulators LDO ? > >> BI > >> 0.6A 1.3V 12V 1.25V 5.0V FIX, $0.51, $1.02 > >> Qty 5, Digikey, 240-2524-ND, 35T0501-10H FERRITE INDUCTR TOROID .540" > >> OD, $0.23, $1.15 > >> Qty 5, Digikey, 240-2532-ND, 40T0501-10H FERRITE INDUCTR TOROID .545" > >> OD, $0.27, $1.35 > > >> -- > >> David H. Madden ?- ?Mersenne Law LLC ?- ?www.mersenne.com > >> 1500 SW First Ave. / Suite 1170 / Portland, Oregon ?97201 > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > >> dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.orghttp://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > _______________________________________________ > > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.org > >http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.orghttp://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From richard.harding at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 21:15:38 2009 From: richard.harding at gmail.com (Richard Harding) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:15:38 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Another local vendor Message-ID: <655fee110910161815h7fb90b04m9d443c910bb9508f@mail.gmail.com> General Tool on NW Nicolai. I was referred there by the guy at URS, and was pleasantly surprised to find that they not only had the solder paste I was looking for, but they actually had several people there that knew what the hell they were talking about, were familiar with the product, and were able to make suggestions as to which type to buy based on my schizophrenic description of the intended application. They even let me peruse their sample container for the applicator needles I needed. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091016/6ecaec50/attachment.html From jesse at lonelyrhinoceros.com Fri Oct 16 22:41:38 2009 From: jesse at lonelyrhinoceros.com (Jesse Michael) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:41:38 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Propellor... In-Reply-To: <1255737497.14133.0.camel@pluto> References: <1255737497.14133.0.camel@pluto> Message-ID: <20091017024137.GA30604@host27.linode.com> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 04:58:17PM -0700, feedle wrote: > As someone who helped the last discussion get off track, let me redeem > myself by asking something totally relevant. > > Has anybody played with the Propeller chips that Parallax is cranking > out? I'm intrigued by the design and the fact that video seems pretty > easy to do with one... I haven't done anything with them yet, but have been looking into them recently and am pretty intrigued also. I'm probably going to get one of these to play with-- http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=32212PAR-ND From ddelmardavis at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 22:54:09 2009 From: ddelmardavis at gmail.com (Donald Delmar Davis) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:54:09 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Propellor... In-Reply-To: <20091017024137.GA30604@host27.linode.com> References: <1255737497.14133.0.camel@pluto> <20091017024137.GA30604@host27.linode.com> Message-ID: <58BD008F-9574-479E-9D34-F8158D155CD8@gmail.com> I have that I will sell you for 8 bucks one and one of Brian Rielly's PRC boards that you can have. http://www.wulfden.org/PRC/index.shtml I will be totally psyched once they figure out that not everyone runs windows. Like the avr the tools are windows bound and unlike the avr there is no prominent open source tool chain. Don. On Oct 16, 2009, at 7:41 PM, Jesse Michael wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 04:58:17PM -0700, feedle wrote: >> As someone who helped the last discussion get off track, let me >> redeem >> myself by asking something totally relevant. >> >> Has anybody played with the Propeller chips that Parallax is cranking >> out? I'm intrigued by the design and the fact that video seems >> pretty >> easy to do with one... > > I haven't done anything with them yet, but have been looking into them > recently and am pretty intrigued also. I'm probably going to get one > of these to play with-- > > http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=32212PAR-ND > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From feedle at feedle.net Fri Oct 16 23:33:46 2009 From: feedle at feedle.net (C. Sullivan) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:33:46 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Propellor... In-Reply-To: <20091017024137.GA30604@host27.linode.com> References: <1255737497.14133.0.camel@pluto> <20091017024137.GA30604@host27.linode.com> Message-ID: On Oct 16, 2009, at 7:41 PM, Jesse Michael wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 04:58:17PM -0700, feedle wrote: >> As someone who helped the last discussion get off track, let me >> redeem >> myself by asking something totally relevant. >> >> Has anybody played with the Propeller chips that Parallax is cranking >> out? I'm intrigued by the design and the fact that video seems >> pretty >> easy to do with one... > > I haven't done anything with them yet, but have been looking into them > recently and am pretty intrigued also. I'm probably going to get one > of these to play with-- From what I've heard, the Ybox2 is what a lot of the "cool kids" are playing with, as far as the Propeller is concerned. While it's a little pricey ($75), it's a ready-to-build system that has the support for Ethernet and video already implemented. (ThinkGeek has them: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/science/ae43/ ). Part of the intrigue for me is the high-level language Spin, which looks a little like BASIC Stamp 2's BASIC. Downside seems to be that one must have Windows to run the programming tool (but, it does seem to work in CrossOver on the Mac, which would imply Wine on Linux would work as well)... From gunterhausfrau at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 01:48:49 2009 From: gunterhausfrau at gmail.com (dan p) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:48:49 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Propellor... In-Reply-To: References: <1255737497.14133.0.camel@pluto> <20091017024137.GA30604@host27.linode.com> Message-ID: <8e6971a90910162248g5cf18b96m3145a08bc5b87d3a@mail.gmail.com> I've got a ybox2, playing with it a bit. If no one else is up for it, I'll take the prop off you Don. No specific plans, but seems like a cool thing. I'm still coming up to speed (in fits and starts) If someone else is jonesing for it, I'd be just as happy to see someone else's cool project. Dan. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:33 PM, C. Sullivan wrote: > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 7:41 PM, Jesse Michael wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 04:58:17PM -0700, feedle wrote: > >> As someone who helped the last discussion get off track, let me > >> redeem > >> myself by asking something totally relevant. > >> > >> Has anybody played with the Propeller chips that Parallax is cranking > >> out? I'm intrigued by the design and the fact that video seems > >> pretty > >> easy to do with one... > > > > I haven't done anything with them yet, but have been looking into them > > recently and am pretty intrigued also. I'm probably going to get one > > of these to play with-- > > From what I've heard, the Ybox2 is what a lot of the "cool kids" are > playing with, as far as the Propeller is concerned. While it's a > little pricey ($75), it's a ready-to-build system that has the support > for Ethernet and video already implemented. (ThinkGeek has them: > http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/science/ae43/ > ). > > Part of the intrigue for me is the high-level language Spin, which > looks a little like BASIC Stamp 2's BASIC. Downside seems to be that > one must have Windows to run the programming tool (but, it does seem > to work in CrossOver on the Mac, which would imply Wine on Linux would > work as well)... > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091017/3e63d9cf/attachment.html From ddelmardavis at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 00:20:16 2009 From: ddelmardavis at gmail.com (Donald Delmar Davis) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:20:16 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] next class? In-Reply-To: <8e6971a90910172104k30555dc2g8579379cc31ca18f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e6971a90910172104k30555dc2g8579379cc31ca18f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2241E933-FD08-475A-859F-35A95D33B738@gmail.com> There an animatronix class a week from sunday (26october) at pnca and I hope to have the promo/announcement out tomorrow. And yes it is my second attempt at the servo/motor class. This time we had the boards fabbed and I have a focal idea. We will cover driving servos, motors and darlington's. with the arduino. (the darlingtons being great for driving solenoids). Participants will walk away with a motor driver board a motor a servo and a darlington array and enough no-how to make mayhem for Halloween. You can rsvp now at http://tempusdictum.com/tdproducts.html or you can bring a check/cash to mondays meeting. On Oct 17, 2009, at 9:04 PM, dan p wrote: > Don, > Is there a class next week? I think it is the servo/motor class > (I've taken it but would like to sign up again). > > Dan. > > p.s. I'm looking for one of those kid xylophones, the ones that we > used to pull around. apparently they are no longer around (being > death traps and all) I'm planning on a servo project with one and > thought "no problem, they are all over the thrift stores" um, no. > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From juli at baumler.com Sun Oct 18 00:52:57 2009 From: juli at baumler.com (Julie L Baumler Heiner) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Xylephones was Re: next class? In-Reply-To: <8e6971a90910172104k30555dc2g8579379cc31ca18f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e6971a90910172104k30555dc2g8579379cc31ca18f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dan - I'm always looking at kid musical instruments in thrift stores because I belong to a group that teaches dogs to play them (http://www.dogscout.org). I've tended to have better luck in Gresham than in Portland, but for some reason they seem to go in waves, nothing then they'll be 2 or 3 in every store I hit. I'm guessing you are looking for the kind that makes noise when you pull it? I do have a combination dog shaped xylophone / keyboard that I'd be willing to swap for something (maybe some help with the barney banjo I'm trying to reproduce), but it doesn't play music when you pull it like the more traditional ones. Juli On Sat, 17 Oct 2009, dan p wrote: > Don, > Is there a class next week? I think it is the servo/motor class (I've taken > it but would like to sign up again). > > Dan. > > p.s. I'm looking for one of those kid xylophones, the ones that we used to > pull around. apparently they are no longer around (being death traps and > all) I'm planning on a servo project with one and thought "no problem, they > are all over the thrift stores" um, no. > -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From gunterhausfrau at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 03:19:55 2009 From: gunterhausfrau at gmail.com (dan p) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:19:55 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] next class? In-Reply-To: <2241E933-FD08-475A-859F-35A95D33B738@gmail.com> References: <8e6971a90910172104k30555dc2g8579379cc31ca18f@mail.gmail.com> <2241E933-FD08-475A-859F-35A95D33B738@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e6971a90910180019t44dd391bp3594ad7dff5740f4@mail.gmail.com> I'm there. I really enjoy the classes. Thanks for doing them. Dan. On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Donald Delmar Davis wrote: > There an animatronix class a week from sunday (26october) at pnca and > I hope to have the promo/announcement out tomorrow. > And yes it is my second attempt at the servo/motor class. This time we > had the boards fabbed and I have a focal idea. > We will cover driving servos, motors and darlington's. with the > arduino. (the darlingtons being great for driving solenoids). > > Participants will walk away with a motor driver board a motor a servo > and a darlington array and enough no-how to make mayhem for Halloween. > You can rsvp now at http://tempusdictum.com/tdproducts.html or you can > bring a check/cash to mondays meeting. > > On Oct 17, 2009, at 9:04 PM, dan p wrote: > > > Don, > > Is there a class next week? I think it is the servo/motor class > > (I've taken it but would like to sign up again). > > > > Dan. > > > > p.s. I'm looking for one of those kid xylophones, the ones that we > > used to pull around. apparently they are no longer around (being > > death traps and all) I'm planning on a servo project with one and > > thought "no problem, they are all over the thrift stores" um, no. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091018/35cafc91/attachment.html From ddelmardavis at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 06:46:45 2009 From: ddelmardavis at gmail.com (Donald Delmar Davis) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:46:45 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Animatronix Workshop Sunday 25 Oct 2009 at PNCA. Message-ID: <34D7BFA4-CBE1-4FC5-AEC6-03EC42A8A32A@gmail.com> On Sunday the 25th I am going to do an animtronicx workshop covering driving motors, servos and relays with the arduino/wiring platform. I will be covering the a couple of popular chips: The l293D for driving motors , and the ULN2803 darlington array for driving relays, stepper motors and other devices. The workshop will cost $35 and will include these chips, least one motor, a relay, a standard sized servo and a board for the motor driver. The idea is to get as much hands on and working as possible so please bring your arduino,freeduino,teensy,or dorkboard, a soldering iron, some wire and your laptop and we will get our hands dirty. I am limited to 25 on this one so please RSVP as soon as possible. http://tempusdictum.com/tdproducts.html Don aka feurig From scott at dixons.mailworks.org Mon Oct 19 13:18:00 2009 From: scott at dixons.mailworks.org (Scott Dixon) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:18:00 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] Re: Oct 19 Group Order In-Reply-To: <023001ca4e35$5943a8c0$0bcafa40$@com> References: <1255634536.8876.4.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <253c5b8d-82dc-4d13-87be-1d9232a8fbf2@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <023001ca4e35$5943a8c0$0bcafa40$@com> Message-ID: <93A34D0F-CF0D-48D1-B03E-945DC33EFD0F@dixons.mailworks.org> > > "Our special Guest Vendor this time will be: SparkFun!" > From SparkFun: Qty 1, BOB-09116, DS1077 Programmable Oscillator Breakout - 16.2kHz to 133MHz, $4.95, $4.95 Qty 1, SEN-00241, Emitters and Detectors, $1.95, $1.95 Qty 2, BOB-08508, AVR Programming Adapter, $0.95, $1.90 Qty 1, LCD-00710 LCD 128x64 STN LED Backlight, $19.95, $19.95 Qty 1, DEV-00704, iPod Connector Male Style 2, $4.95, $4.95 Qty 1, ROB-09402, EasyDriver Stepper Motor Driver, $14.95, $14.95 From jlarson at pacifier.com Mon Oct 19 14:40:34 2009 From: jlarson at pacifier.com (Jim Larson) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:40:34 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Group Order Message-ID: <4ADCB2A2.9030505@pacifier.com> Here's what I need. Thanks! Mouser Qty. 3 MaxStream P/N: XB24 888-XB24-Z7CIT-004 21.00ea SparkFun Qty. 3 XBee Break out board P/N: BOB-08276 2.95ea Qty. 1 USB Mini Cable - 6 Foot P/N: CAB-00598 3.95ea Qty. 1 FTDI Basic Breakout - 3.3V P/N: DEV-08772 13.95 ea Qty. 4 Force Sensing Resistor P/N: SEN-09375 6.95 ea. Digikey Qty. 2 Op Amp P/N: MCP6041-I/P-ND 0.66 ea. Qty. 2 Op Amp P/N: MCP6042-I/P-ND 0.96 ea. Qty. 4 FET P/N: NTD4813NH-35G-ND 0.50ea. Qty. 4 Drivers P/N: 620-1122-ND 3.33 ea. Qty. 10 green LEDs P/N: 160-1659-ND 1.15 for 10 Qty. 10 Resistors (15 Ohm) P/N: 15W-1-ND 1.16 for 10 Qty. 10 Resistors (150 Ohm) P/N: 150QBK-ND 0.32 for 5 Qty. 10 Resistors (30 Ohm) P/N: 30H-ND 0.29 for 5 From ddelmardavis at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 14:53:44 2009 From: ddelmardavis at gmail.com (Donald Delmar Davis) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:53:44 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Group Order In-Reply-To: <4ADCB2A2.9030505@pacifier.com> References: <4ADCB2A2.9030505@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <72C29555-0863-49BE-8554-D5844AA0850C@gmail.com> Product Detail Customer Part # Order Qty. Price (USD) Ext. (USD) Mouser #: 771-74HC04D-T Mfr. #: 74HC04D,653 Desc.: Inverters HEX INVERTER RoHS: RoHS Compliant 25 Availability 25 Ships Now $0.13 $3.25 Mouser #: 511-TIP120 Mfr. #: TIP120 Desc.: Darlington Transistors NPN Power Darlington RoHS: RoHS Compliant 25 Availability 25 Ships Now $0.353 $8.83 Mouser #: 757-ULN2803APG(5,M) Mfr. #: ULN2803APG(5,M) Desc.: Darlington Transistors 8CH. 50V/.5A IFD IC RoHS: RoHS Compliant 25 Availability 25 Ships Now $0.36 $9.00 Mouser #: 511-L293D Mfr. #: L293D Desc.: Motor / Motion Controllers & Drivers Push-Pull 4-Channel RoHS: RoHS Compliant 25 Availability 25 Ships Now $3.75 $93.75 Mouser #: 556-ATMEGA328P-PU Mfr. #: ATMEGA328P-PU Desc.: Microcontrollers (MCU) 32KB In-system Flash 20MHz 1.8V-5.5V RoHS: RoHS Compliant 15 Availability 15 Ships Now $3.70 $55.50 By submitting your order you agree to these terms and conditions For additional information on availability, click on the Mouser Part #. MERCHANDISE TOTAL: $170.33 (USD) ?SHIPPING CHARGE: Estimate This product may require a license to export from the United States. ? Mouser Electronics does not charge handling fees. For US shipment, you only pay the actual freight amount charged by the carrier which is determined at the time of shipment. On Oct 19, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Jim Larson wrote: > Here's what I need. Thanks! > Mouser > Qty. 3 MaxStream P/N: XB24 888-XB24-Z7CIT-004 21.00ea > > SparkFun > Qty. 3 XBee Break out board P/N: BOB-08276 2.95ea > Qty. 1 USB Mini Cable - 6 Foot P/N: CAB-00598 3.95ea > Qty. 1 FTDI Basic Breakout - 3.3V P/N: DEV-08772 13.95 ea > Qty. 4 Force Sensing Resistor P/N: SEN-09375 6.95 ea. > > Digikey > Qty. 2 Op Amp P/N: MCP6041-I/P-ND 0.66 ea. > Qty. 2 Op Amp P/N: MCP6042-I/P-ND 0.96 ea. > Qty. 4 FET P/N: NTD4813NH-35G-ND 0.50ea. > Qty. 4 Drivers P/N: 620-1122-ND 3.33 ea. > Qty. 10 green LEDs P/N: 160-1659-ND 1.15 for 10 > Qty. 10 Resistors (15 Ohm) P/N: 15W-1-ND 1.16 for 10 > Qty. 10 Resistors (150 Ohm) P/N: 150QBK-ND 0.32 for 5 > Qty. 10 Resistors (30 Ohm) P/N: 30H-ND 0.29 for 5 > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091019/758eecc9/attachment-0001.html From montyg at bittybot.com Mon Oct 19 15:05:51 2009 From: montyg at bittybot.com (montyg at bittybot.com) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:05:51 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Group Order In-Reply-To: <72C29555-0863-49BE-8554-D5844AA0850C@gmail.com> References: <4ADCB2A2.9030505@pacifier.com> <72C29555-0863-49BE-8554-D5844AA0850C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091019120551.hgac3gibk4kkc488@secure28.inmotionhosting.com> SparkFun Qty. 1 USB to RS232 Converter P/N: CAB-08580 12.95ea Thanks, Monty From thisisjohnbrown at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 17:26:14 2009 From: thisisjohnbrown at gmail.com (John Brown) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:26:14 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] RFID questions Message-ID: <1d7e4df40910191426n1c5dd61dwb32d55cc66ecbe1f@mail.gmail.com> Hey everyone! I think this is my first time posting to the list, but I have been reading for a long time. I had a couple of questions about rfid technology, if anyone has any experience. I am looking to set up a project where a series of items are placed along side each other, each with an rfid tag. Are there receivers that are longer than the smaller squares I have seen in the past, so that it can detect several objects over a couple of feet? Also, would that even work? Would the reader be able to detect which tags are there based on their tags if there were several in there at once? I am thinking real time, where at any second, the reader could detect all tags in its range. Or, are the readers more limited, and can only identify one tag at a time? Thanks for any answers/direction/links! -- -John Brown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091019/80a15437/attachment.html From montyg at bittybot.com Mon Oct 19 17:47:35 2009 From: montyg at bittybot.com (montyg at bittybot.com) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:47:35 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] RFID questions In-Reply-To: <1d7e4df40910191426n1c5dd61dwb32d55cc66ecbe1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1d7e4df40910191426n1c5dd61dwb32d55cc66ecbe1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091019144735.nmx5nakfqs8s8cgg@secure28.inmotionhosting.com> John, I don't know the answer to your question, but there is a local resource who may. Warren Leach was an active member of the Portland Area Robotics Society before hitting it big implementing RFID for fish tracking. His website has some good info on RFID technology: http://www.oregonrfid.biz/store/index.php?main_page=page&id=20&zenid=0daf7c9b01967a01e8880a87e6b875d7 I would think RFID for fish counting would have similar requirements to yours, so hopefully Warren's website will be of help. Monty Quoting John Brown : > Hey everyone! I think this is my first time posting to the list, but I have > been reading for a long time. > > I had a couple of questions about rfid technology, if anyone has any > experience. > > I am looking to set up a project where a series of items are placed along > side each other, each with an rfid tag. Are there receivers that are longer > than the smaller squares I have seen in the past, so that it can detect > several objects over a couple of feet? > > Also, would that even work? Would the reader be able to detect which tags > are there based on their tags if there were several in there at once? I am > thinking real time, where at any second, the reader could detect all tags in > its range. Or, are the readers more limited, and can only identify one tag > at a time? > > Thanks for any answers/direction/links! > > -- > -John Brown > From james.neal at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 18:15:01 2009 From: james.neal at gmail.com (Laen) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] GPS, Antenna, and impedance Message-ID: <606c0c0f-017a-4bab-b47b-1f951f72839b@b3g2000pre.googlegroups.com> I'm about to make my first board with a GPS on it, and I've selected this antenna: http://www.johansontechnology.com/images/stories/ip/rf-antennas/JTI_Antenna-1575AT47A40_7-02.pdf In the datasheet, it has a couple of things I don't understand: * "Line width should be designed to provide 50ohm impedance matching characteristics" I don't understand what that means at all. Does it mean I should put a 50ohm resistor in-line with the antenna? * One of the diagrams illustrates a matching circuit that appears to be an LC network. What is that doing? Does that just make it better at selecting for the right frequencies? Thanks! -Laen From dausmus at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 18:23:32 2009 From: dausmus at gmail.com (Doug Ausmus) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:23:32 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] GPS, Antenna, and impedance In-Reply-To: <606c0c0f-017a-4bab-b47b-1f951f72839b@b3g2000pre.googlegroups.com> References: <606c0c0f-017a-4bab-b47b-1f951f72839b@b3g2000pre.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <307640010910191523x16eb7a89k6c2d4db0675f2d08@mail.gmail.com> This document should answer most of your questions in this regard: http://mapstore.delorme.com/byUse/gpsmodules/images/DeLorme_Antenna_RF_Design.pdf Good luck! -Doug On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Laen wrote: > I'm about to make my first board with a GPS on it, and I've selected > this antenna: > > > http://www.johansontechnology.com/images/stories/ip/rf-antennas/JTI_Antenna-1575AT47A40_7-02.pdf > > In the datasheet, it has a couple of things I don't understand: > > * "Line width should be designed to provide 50ohm impedance matching > characteristics" > > I don't understand what that means at all. Does it mean I should put > a 50ohm resistor in-line with the antenna? > > * One of the diagrams illustrates a matching circuit that appears to > be an LC network. What is that doing? Does that just make it better > at selecting for the right frequencies? > > Thanks! > -Laen > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091019/5a55efc3/attachment.html From garnere at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 18:31:57 2009 From: garnere at gmail.com (Eric Garner) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:31:57 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] GPS, Antenna, and impedance In-Reply-To: <606c0c0f-017a-4bab-b47b-1f951f72839b@b3g2000pre.googlegroups.com> References: <606c0c0f-017a-4bab-b47b-1f951f72839b@b3g2000pre.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: > > * "Line width should be designed to provide 50ohm impedance matching > characteristics" > > I don't understand what that means at all. ?Does it mean I should put > a 50ohm resistor in-line with the antenna? > it means you should lay out your traces such that they are a 50 ohm transmission line. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_line for a definition there's a handy calculator here: http://www.pcb123.com/help/calculators/microstrip.html for the calculator use ~4.34 for FR-4's dielectric constant at 1 GHz (GPS's L1 frequency is 1575.42 MHz) or check with your board house for their specific permittivity numbers > * One of the diagrams illustrates a matching circuit that appears to > be an LC network. ?What is that doing? ?Does that just make it better > at selecting for the right frequencies? that's an antenna matching network http://www.ycars.org/EFRA/Module%20C/AntMatch.htm > > Thanks! > -Laen > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -- --Eric _________________________________________ Eric Garner From jboone at earfeast.com Mon Oct 19 22:20:55 2009 From: jboone at earfeast.com (Jared Boone) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:20:55 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] GPS, Antenna, and impedance In-Reply-To: References: <606c0c0f-017a-4bab-b47b-1f951f72839b@b3g2000pre.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <0BB9CDFA-0649-48F4-AE46-FFB091176616@earfeast.com> On Oct 19, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Eric Garner wrote: >> >> * "Line width should be designed to provide 50ohm impedance matching >> characteristics" >> >> I don't understand what that means at all. Does it mean I should put >> a 50ohm resistor in-line with the antenna? >> > > it means you should lay out your traces such that they are a 50 ohm > transmission line. > > see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_line for a definition > > there's a handy calculator here: > http://www.pcb123.com/help/calculators/microstrip.html > > for the calculator use ~4.34 for FR-4's dielectric constant at 1 GHz > (GPS's L1 frequency is 1575.42 MHz) or check with your board house for > their specific permittivity numbers This is all a form of radio frequency "black magic", wonderfully described in books like: http://www.sigcon.com/bookHSDD.htm When you send an high-frequency signal down a wire, and if the impedance varies along the wire, the signal will start to bounce around and generally become a mess. What makes the impedance of a wire vary? To start with, the wire size, the distance to the nearest the ground signal, and the qualities of the substance in between the wire and the ground. Which is why the calculator link Eric sent takes these factors into account. What you're doing is creating a "microstrip", a pseudo coaxial cable out of the copper and fiberglass of the circuit board. The magic of a coaxial cable is that it's designed to have a consistent impedance (resistance vs. frequency, for lack of a better succinct explanation). It does this by tightly controlling the materials and spacing of two pieces of wire -- the wire in the middle of the coax and the shield around the outside. Google around for the term "microstrip" if you want the gory details. Or I can bring the aforementioned book for you to peruse at the next meeting. Starting with the Sunstone specifications for their typical 62-mil two- sided FR-4 circuit board: http://www.sunstone.com/products-services/quickturn-proto-boards/construction-detail.aspx Here are your variables: Er = 4.34 (FR-4 fiberglass ranges 4.3 to 4.5) H = 58 mils T = 3.7 mils Zo = 50 Ohms (your characteristic impedance) I get 104 mils for the width of the trace connecting your GPS module to the antenna jack. In order for the magic to work, this 104 mil signal trace must be over a large area of grounded copper on the other side of the circuit board. That grounded copper needs to be continuous (not interrupted by other traces passing through) between the antenna connector's ground pegs and the ground pins on the GPS module. If you want me to take a look at the board design, let me know. I *really* like RF stuff... - Jared From jboone at earfeast.com Mon Oct 19 22:24:18 2009 From: jboone at earfeast.com (Jared Boone) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:24:18 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] GPS, Antenna, and impedance In-Reply-To: <0BB9CDFA-0649-48F4-AE46-FFB091176616@earfeast.com> References: <606c0c0f-017a-4bab-b47b-1f951f72839b@b3g2000pre.googlegroups.com> <0BB9CDFA-0649-48F4-AE46-FFB091176616@earfeast.com> Message-ID: Correction from the last e-mail -- the copper is 1.7 mils tall, not 3.7. So the trace width should be more like 107 mils wide. Tolerance on trace width, board thickness, etc. is large enough that it probably wouldn't make a difference anyway... - Jared On Oct 19, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Jared Boone wrote: > Starting with the Sunstone specifications for their typical 62-mil > two- > sided FR-4 circuit board: > > http://www.sunstone.com/products-services/quickturn-proto-boards/construction-detail.aspx > > Here are your variables: > > Er = 4.34 (FR-4 fiberglass ranges 4.3 to 4.5) > H = 58 mils > T = 3.7 mils > Zo = 50 Ohms (your characteristic impedance) > > I get 104 mils for the width of the trace connecting your GPS module > to the antenna jack. In order for the magic to work, this 104 mil > signal trace must be over a large area of grounded copper on the other > side of the circuit board. That grounded copper needs to be continuous > (not interrupted by other traces passing through) between the antenna > connector's ground pegs and the ground pins on the GPS module. From coldham2 at mac.com Mon Oct 19 22:27:36 2009 From: coldham2 at mac.com (coldham2 at mac.com) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:27:36 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Group Order In-Reply-To: <4ADCB2A2.9030505@pacifier.com> References: <4ADCB2A2.9030505@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <7B70946E-5FAF-4580-BBF6-0CDFB0FB5122@mac.com> I have a huge list of stuff I want, but I'm just going to get this. :~o (digi-key) Qty. 10 MAGNET 1/2"DIA X 1/8"THICK P/N: 469-1002-ND @ 0.54000= $5,40. Thanks, Collin From jlarson at pacifier.com Mon Oct 19 23:37:43 2009 From: jlarson at pacifier.com (Jim Larson) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:37:43 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Group Order Message-ID: <4ADD3087.7030806@pacifier.com> Please add the following item to my Digikey order if it's not too late! Qty. 2 Op Amp P/N: MCP6281-E/P-ND 0.66ea. Thanks! -jim From jesse at lonelyrhinoceros.com Tue Oct 20 02:19:02 2009 From: jesse at lonelyrhinoceros.com (Jesse Michael) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:19:02 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Propellor... In-Reply-To: <58BD008F-9574-479E-9D34-F8158D155CD8@gmail.com> References: <1255737497.14133.0.camel@pluto> <20091017024137.GA30604@host27.linode.com> <58BD008F-9574-479E-9D34-F8158D155CD8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091020061902.GA1094@host27.linode.com> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 07:54:09PM -0700, Donald Delmar Davis wrote: > I have that I will sell you for 8 bucks one and one of Brian Rielly's > PRC boards that you can have. > > http://www.wulfden.org/PRC/index.shtml > > I will be totally psyched once they figure out that not everyone runs > windows. > > Like the avr the tools are windows bound and unlike the avr there is > no prominent open source tool chain. It looks like it's possible to run the command-line "Propellent" compiler under wine and use a native loader.py script that uses pyserial to load your code onto the chip, so it seems to be possible to do some non-windows development, even if it's not possible to do everything with open-source tools yet. http://propeller.wikispaces.com/Linux+Development has some details about what you need and how to use them. There's also a java-based open-source Propeller assembler-- http://www.cliff.biffle.org/software/propeller/propasm/ It looks like there's also been some effort toward reverse-engineering the spin bytecode and interpreter that actually seemed to have some support from Chip Gracey, the founder of the company-- http://propeller.wikispaces.com/Spin+Byte+Code http://propeller.wikispaces.com/Cracking+Open+the+Propeller+Chip That said, I'm definitely interested in playing with these chips, so if you don't want to mess around with those and have one you don't want, I'll take it. From russell at personaltelco.net Tue Oct 20 05:59:01 2009 From: russell at personaltelco.net (Russell Senior) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 02:59:01 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Group Order In-Reply-To: <4ADD3087.7030806@pacifier.com> (Jim Larson's message of "Mon\, 19 Oct 2009 20\:37\:43 -0700") References: <4ADD3087.7030806@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <86ljj6croa.fsf@coulee.tdb.com> If it's still not too late, I'd like these: Digi-Key Part Number 252A104B60NB-ND 3 @ 6.09 ... $18.27 Sparkfun: COM-07950 2 @ 1.95 ... $3.90 -- Russell Senior, President russell at personaltelco.net From garnere at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 12:41:19 2009 From: garnere at gmail.com (Eric Garner) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:41:19 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] GPS, Antenna, and impedance In-Reply-To: References: <606c0c0f-017a-4bab-b47b-1f951f72839b@b3g2000pre.googlegroups.com> <0BB9CDFA-0649-48F4-AE46-FFB091176616@earfeast.com> Message-ID: one of the cool things that the calculator i linked to is that you can specify trace thickness in oz there other calculators on the page: http://www.pcb123.com/help/calculators/ that are really useful -eric On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Jared Boone wrote: > Correction from the last e-mail -- the copper is 1.7 mils tall, not > 3.7. So the trace width should be more like 107 mils wide. Tolerance > on trace width, board thickness, etc. is large enough that it probably > wouldn't make a difference anyway... > > ? ? ? ?- Jared > > On Oct 19, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Jared Boone wrote: > >> Starting with the Sunstone specifications for their typical 62-mil >> two- >> sided FR-4 circuit board: >> >> ? ? ? http://www.sunstone.com/products-services/quickturn-proto-boards/construction-detail.aspx >> >> Here are your variables: >> >> ? ? ? Er = 4.34 (FR-4 fiberglass ranges 4.3 to 4.5) >> ? ? ? H = 58 mils >> ? ? ? T = 3.7 mils >> ? ? ? Zo = 50 Ohms (your characteristic impedance) >> >> I get 104 mils for the width of the trace connecting your GPS module >> to the antenna jack. In order for the magic to work, this 104 mil >> signal trace must be over a large area of grounded copper on the other >> side of the circuit board. That grounded copper needs to be continuous >> (not interrupted by other traces passing through) between the antenna >> connector's ground pegs and the ground pins on the GPS module. > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -- --Eric _________________________________________ Eric Garner From james.neal at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 19:36:28 2009 From: james.neal at gmail.com (Laen) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] GPS, Antenna, and impedance In-Reply-To: <0BB9CDFA-0649-48F4-AE46-FFB091176616@earfeast.com> References: <606c0c0f-017a-4bab-b47b-1f951f72839b@b3g2000pre.googlegroups.com> <0BB9CDFA-0649-48F4-AE46-FFB091176616@earfeast.com> Message-ID: <435fb93e-fdb0-4eea-b776-e22d0f8ffc9e@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com> Thanks, everyone, for the great information. I think I have enough information to actually make the thing now. We'll see. :) On Oct 19, 7:20?pm, Jared Boone wrote: > When you send an high-frequency signal down a wire, and if the ? > impedance varies along the wire, the signal will start to bounce ? > around and generally become a mess. What makes the impedance of a wire ? > vary? To start with, the wire size, the distance to the nearest the ? > ground signal, and the qualities of the substance in between the wire ? > and the ground. Which is why the calculator link Eric sent takes these ? > factors into account. Ah HA! That makes perfect sense. > I get 104 mils for the width of the trace connecting your GPS module ? > to the antenna jack. In order for the magic to work, this 104 mil ? > signal trace must be over a large area of grounded copper on the other ? > side of the circuit board. That grounded copper needs to be continuous ? > (not interrupted by other traces passing through) between the antenna ? > connector's ground pegs and the ground pins on the GPS module. Hmm.. I'm guessing it's also important to keep a wide clearance around the microstrip too. I'll just put the GPS and antenna on the edge of the board. > If you want me to take a look at the board design, let me know. I ? > *really* like RF stuff... That would be really helpful. I'll bring it to the next meeting. Thanks! -Laen From james.neal at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 19:58:57 2009 From: james.neal at gmail.com (Laen) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] Next Group Order goes out October 26th. Message-ID: <5c30efe9-493c-42b4-b008-3fd0dccf4809@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com> In the next group order, we'll have: - Digikey - Mouser Reply to this thread (keeping the "[grouporder]" in the subject line), or email me to add items to the order. The preferred format for requests is: Qty 5, Digikey, ATMEGA328P-PU-ND, AVR Atmega328P Microcontroller in PDIP format -Laen From james.neal at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 20:02:26 2009 From: james.neal at gmail.com (Laen) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] Next Group Order goes out October 26th. In-Reply-To: <5c30efe9-493c-42b4-b008-3fd0dccf4809@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com> References: <5c30efe9-493c-42b4-b008-3fd0dccf4809@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <55999fb5-fef0-4d84-9979-fe02ef93a286@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Erk! I got excited and sent this too soon. YOU DID NOT SEE THIS MESSAGE. -Laen On Oct 21, 4:58?pm, Laen wrote: > In the next group order, we'll have: > ? - Digikey > ? - Mouser > > Reply to this thread (keeping the "[grouporder]" in the subject line), > or email me to add items to the order. > > The preferred format for requests is: > > Qty 5, Digikey, ATMEGA328P-PU-ND, AVR Atmega328P Microcontroller in > PDIP format > > -Laen > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.orghttp://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From william at serpentcoil.com Wed Oct 21 21:19:47 2009 From: william at serpentcoil.com (William Benz) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:19:47 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] Next Group Order goes out October 26th. In-Reply-To: <55999fb5-fef0-4d84-9979-fe02ef93a286@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com> References: <5c30efe9-493c-42b4-b008-3fd0dccf4809@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com> <55999fb5-fef0-4d84-9979-fe02ef93a286@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: On Oct 21, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Laen wrote: > "THIS IS NOT THE MESSAGE YOU ARE LOOKING AT." "YES, OBI-WAN. I DID NOT SEE IT." "YOU CAN GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS." "YES, OBI-WAN. I SHALL." "MOVE ALONG." "YES, OBI-WAN." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091021/a52a370e/attachment.html From beachc at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 23:51:34 2009 From: beachc at gmail.com (Casey Beach) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:51:34 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] OMSI shop tour Message-ID: Hi Guys, Make:PDX is getting a tour of OMSI's exhibit production shop! OMSI's shop produces exhibits for museums all over the country. They have some pretty amazing things back there (Trebuchet, hot air balloons and many others). The tour starts at *6:00 Wednesday the 28th* and the shop's address is... 1945 SE Water Ave, Bldg A It's north of OMSI, has the word PEPCO on the side near the roof, and has OMSI written in big free standing red letters right next to it. Enter though the south doors. Hope to see you guys there! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091021/21ba86a8/attachment-0001.html From gunterhausfrau at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 00:53:19 2009 From: gunterhausfrau at gmail.com (dan p) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:53:19 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] Next Group Order goes out October 26th. In-Reply-To: References: <5c30efe9-493c-42b4-b008-3fd0dccf4809@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com> <55999fb5-fef0-4d84-9979-fe02ef93a286@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <8e6971a90910212153n179280feu3152e4c4d1ef2132@mail.gmail.com> Qty 1, Digikey, Droid, protocol, prefer C3PO format. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:19 PM, William Benz wrote: > > On Oct 21, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Laen wrote: > > > *"THIS IS NOT THE MESSAGE YOU ARE LOOKING AT."* > > > "YES, OBI-WAN. I DID NOT SEE IT." > > *"YOU CAN GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS."* > * > * > "YES, OBI-WAN. I SHALL." > > *"MOVE ALONG."* > * > * > "YES, OBI-WAN." > > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091021/2b79ceb7/attachment.html From dementedchihuahua at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 12:50:14 2009 From: dementedchihuahua at gmail.com (Stanley Ames) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:50:14 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Animatronix Workshop Sunday 25 Oct 2009 at PNCA. In-Reply-To: <34D7BFA4-CBE1-4FC5-AEC6-03EC42A8A32A@gmail.com> References: <34D7BFA4-CBE1-4FC5-AEC6-03EC42A8A32A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B39481B-C467-40DB-884F-773A7D0AC45D@gmail.com> What time is this workshop scheduled for? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 19, 2009, at 3:46 AM, Donald Delmar Davis wrote: > On Sunday the 25th I am going to do an animtronicx workshop covering > driving > motors, servos and relays with the arduino/wiring platform. > I will be covering the a couple of popular chips: The l293D for > driving motors , and the ULN2803 darlington array for driving relays, > stepper motors and other devices. > The workshop will cost $35 and will include these chips, least one > motor, a relay, a standard sized servo and a board for the motor > driver. > > The idea is to get as much hands on and working as possible so please > bring your arduino,freeduino,teensy,or dorkboard, a soldering iron, > some wire and your > laptop and we will get our hands dirty. > I am limited to 25 on this one so please RSVP as soon as possible. > > http://tempusdictum.com/tdproducts.html > > Don aka feurig > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From ddelmardavis at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 13:49:14 2009 From: ddelmardavis at gmail.com (Donald Delmar Davis) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:49:14 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Animatronix Workshop Sunday 25 Oct 2009 at PNCA. In-Reply-To: <4B39481B-C467-40DB-884F-773A7D0AC45D@gmail.com> References: <34D7BFA4-CBE1-4FC5-AEC6-03EC42A8A32A@gmail.com> <4B39481B-C467-40DB-884F-773A7D0AC45D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <707BF193-4019-4D56-A8D4-A51104EF9EF4@gmail.com> 1-5pm On Oct 22, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Stanley Ames wrote: > What time is this workshop scheduled for? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 19, 2009, at 3:46 AM, Donald Delmar Davis > wrote: > >> On Sunday the 25th I am going to do an animtronicx workshop covering >> driving >> motors, servos and relays with the arduino/wiring platform. >> I will be covering the a couple of popular chips: The l293D for >> driving motors , and the ULN2803 darlington array for driving relays, >> stepper motors and other devices. >> The workshop will cost $35 and will include these chips, least one >> motor, a relay, a standard sized servo and a board for the motor >> driver. >> >> The idea is to get as much hands on and working as possible so please >> bring your arduino,freeduino,teensy,or dorkboard, a soldering iron, >> some wire and your >> laptop and we will get our hands dirty. >> I am limited to 25 on this one so please RSVP as soon as possible. >> >> http://tempusdictum.com/tdproducts.html >> >> Don aka feurig >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list >> dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org >> http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From jlarson at pacifier.com Sun Oct 25 20:28:01 2009 From: jlarson at pacifier.com (Jim Larson) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:28:01 -0800 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Parts Plea - Anyone? Message-ID: <4AE4ED11.8010404@pacifier.com> Anyone have a spare 74HC595 or two they'd be willing to part with (for a reasonable price, of course)? I need a couple and don't want to wait for next Group Order. Just bring them Monday night if you have them. Thanks! -jim From ddelmardavis at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 21:41:39 2009 From: ddelmardavis at gmail.com (Donald Delmar Davis) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:41:39 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Parts Plea - Anyone? In-Reply-To: <4AE4ED11.8010404@pacifier.com> References: <4AE4ED11.8010404@pacifier.com> Message-ID: I think i have a tube. I also was looking at a couple of the TPIC(high current) versions as well. On Oct 25, 2009, at 5:28 PM, Jim Larson wrote: > Anyone have a spare 74HC595 or two they'd be willing to part with > (for a > reasonable price, of course)? I need a couple and don't want to wait > for > next Group Order. Just bring them Monday night if you have them. > > Thanks! > -jim > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From jmejia at tffenterprises.com Mon Oct 26 00:55:34 2009 From: jmejia at tffenterprises.com (Jesse Mejia) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:55:34 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Good bipolar power supply deal In-Reply-To: <4ADD3087.7030806@pacifier.com> References: <4ADD3087.7030806@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <5B3FA1AE-F7D4-4DCE-AB1E-BD764D93C5ED@tffenterprises.com> I don't know anything about this website - but this strikes me as an excellent deal on a bipolar linear power supply: http://skycraftsurplus.com/dual-outputlinearpowersupply12-15vdc1amp.aspx Anyone else interested in ordering this guy? (That's around the price or even cheaper than an industrial supply like a power-one on ebay... and w/out the extra work of wiring the jumpers, fuse, IEC connector etc.) Anyone heard of skycraft parts & surplus? I didn't see a whole lot else I was excited about on the site... some nice switches though: http://skycraftsurplus.com/switches.aspx Maybe not really worth a formal group order.. unless there is a lot more interest? -jesse From jason at noisybox.net Mon Oct 26 02:14:01 2009 From: jason at noisybox.net (Jason Plumb) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:14:01 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Parts Plea - Anyone? In-Reply-To: <4AE4ED11.8010404@pacifier.com> References: <4AE4ED11.8010404@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <4AE53E29.3030106@noisybox.net> Jim Larson wrote: > Anyone have a spare 74HC595 or two they'd be willing to part with (for a > reasonable price, of course)? I need a couple and don't want to wait for > next Group Order. Just bring them Monday night if you have them. I have some of these, and I've set aside some of the thru-hole ones for you in the rare case that Don's tube isn't located in time. I'm in a similar boat: If anybody has a couple of thru-hole IR LEDs (ideally above 740nm) I could use them. -jason http://noisybox.net From paul at pjrc.com Mon Oct 26 06:43:30 2009 From: paul at pjrc.com (Paul Stoffregen) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:43:30 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Parts Plea - Anyone? In-Reply-To: <4AE53E29.3030106@noisybox.net> References: <4AE4ED11.8010404@pacifier.com> <4AE53E29.3030106@noisybox.net> Message-ID: <4AE57D52.3030806@pjrc.com> > I'm in a similar boat: If anybody has a couple of thru-hole IR LEDs > (ideally above 740nm) I could use them. > I have a couple OED-EL-8L, which are 940 nm. Will bring them tonight. -Paul From plskeggs at noeticdesign.com Mon Oct 26 14:05:00 2009 From: plskeggs at noeticdesign.com (Pete Skeggs) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:05:00 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] LEDs as Touch Sensors Message-ID: <4AE5E4CC.2050202@noeticdesign.com> Saw this interesting video today: http://vimeo.com/2260930 I love the 3D rendering going on. It came from this blog: http://www.travisdeyle.com/blog/2007/06/27/clever-electronic-sensing-using-cheap-common-components Which I found from this blog by the same person, Travis Deyle: http://www.hizook.com Enjoy. -Pete From alex at x37v.info Mon Oct 26 14:13:33 2009 From: alex at x37v.info (Alex Norman) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:13:33 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] LEDs as Touch Sensors In-Reply-To: <4AE5E4CC.2050202@noeticdesign.com> References: <4AE5E4CC.2050202@noeticdesign.com> Message-ID: <20091026181333.GR4747@silverninja.net> NICE! I assume that the light sensed is the light reflected, in which case actually using the LEDs to display something would be super tricky.. -Alex On 0, Pete Skeggs wrote: > Saw this interesting video today: > http://vimeo.com/2260930 > > I love the 3D rendering going on. > > It came from this blog: > http://www.travisdeyle.com/blog/2007/06/27/clever-electronic-sensing-using-cheap-common-components > > Which I found from this blog by the same person, Travis Deyle: > http://www.hizook.com > > Enjoy. > > -Pete > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > From gunterhausfrau at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 14:21:43 2009 From: gunterhausfrau at gmail.com (dan p) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:21:43 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Propellor... In-Reply-To: <20091020061902.GA1094@host27.linode.com> References: <1255737497.14133.0.camel@pluto> <20091017024137.GA30604@host27.linode.com> <58BD008F-9574-479E-9D34-F8158D155CD8@gmail.com> <20091020061902.GA1094@host27.linode.com> Message-ID: <8e6971a90910261121v780cb93dha1184e2f4039827a@mail.gmail.com> sounds like Jesse has a plan. I think he should get it (over me) Dan. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Jesse Michael wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 07:54:09PM -0700, Donald Delmar Davis wrote: > > I have that I will sell you for 8 bucks one and one of Brian Rielly's > > PRC boards that you can have. > > > > http://www.wulfden.org/PRC/index.shtml > > > > I will be totally psyched once they figure out that not everyone runs > > windows. > > > > Like the avr the tools are windows bound and unlike the avr there is > > no prominent open source tool chain. > > It looks like it's possible to run the command-line "Propellent" compiler > under wine and use a native loader.py script that uses pyserial to load > your code onto the chip, so it seems to be possible to do some non-windows > development, even if it's not possible to do everything with open-source > tools yet. > > http://propeller.wikispaces.com/Linux+Development has some details about > what you need and how to use them. > > There's also a java-based open-source Propeller assembler-- > > http://www.cliff.biffle.org/software/propeller/propasm/ > > It looks like there's also been some effort toward reverse-engineering > the spin bytecode and interpreter that actually seemed to have some > support from Chip Gracey, the founder of the company-- > > http://propeller.wikispaces.com/Spin+Byte+Code > http://propeller.wikispaces.com/Cracking+Open+the+Propeller+Chip > > That said, I'm definitely interested in playing with these chips, so if > you don't want to mess around with those and have one you don't want, > I'll take it. > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091026/9dbfaccf/attachment.html From fermatslasttheremin at yahoo.com Mon Oct 26 15:19:14 2009 From: fermatslasttheremin at yahoo.com (Simran Gleason) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] LEDs as Touch Sensors In-Reply-To: <20091026181333.GR4747@silverninja.net> References: <4AE5E4CC.2050202@noeticdesign.com> <20091026181333.GR4747@silverninja.net> Message-ID: <326520.72151.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> actually, what happens is that as something passes in front of the LEDs, they have to work harder to get their quota of photons out onto the shop floor, and as they work harder, they strain a bit and let out little grunting noises. Then there's a microphone next to each one that detects the volume and pitch of the grunting noises. Luckily the grunting noises are emitted at a particular frequency that's only mimiced by the sound of an internet user saying awwwww when viewing pictures of baby hedgehogs, so the sensors are not easy to fool. Simran ----- Original Message ---- From: Alex Norman To: Pete Skeggs Cc: dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 11:13:33 AM Subject: Re: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] LEDs as Touch Sensors NICE! I assume that the light sensed is the light reflected, in which case actually using the LEDs to display something would be super tricky.. -Alex On 0, Pete Skeggs wrote: > Saw this interesting video today: > http://vimeo.com/2260930 > > I love the 3D rendering going on. > > It came from this blog: > http://www.travisdeyle.com/blog/2007/06/27/clever-electronic-sensing-using-cheap-common-components > > Which I found from this blog by the same person, Travis Deyle: > http://www.hizook.com > > Enjoy. > > -Pete > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > _______________________________________________ dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From james.neal at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 16:50:46 2009 From: james.neal at gmail.com (Laen) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] LEDs as Touch Sensors In-Reply-To: <4AE5E4CC.2050202@noeticdesign.com> References: <4AE5E4CC.2050202@noeticdesign.com> Message-ID: <95ca8df3-a553-42a9-a68c-44a263bf25ff@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com> Huh! In the diagrams, it looks like they're doing the ol' "Use an LED as a light sensor by measuring its capacitance" trick. I'm betting it works by the red light from surrounding LEDs making your finger glow red, which is what the sensing LED sees. It cycles through which ones are on and which ones are sensing quickly enough that it can't be seen. Cool project! -Laen On Oct 26, 11:05?am, Pete Skeggs wrote: > Saw this interesting video today:http://vimeo.com/2260930 > > I love the 3D rendering going on. > > It came from this blog:http://www.travisdeyle.com/blog/2007/06/27/clever-electronic-sensing-... > > Which I found from this blog by the same person, Travis Deyle:http://www.hizook.com > > Enjoy. > > -Pete > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.orghttp://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From william at serpentcoil.com Mon Oct 26 16:52:06 2009 From: william at serpentcoil.com (William Benz) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:52:06 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] LEDs as Touch Sensors In-Reply-To: <326520.72151.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4AE5E4CC.2050202@noeticdesign.com> <20091026181333.GR4747@silverninja.net> <326520.72151.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Oct 26, 2009, at 12:19 PM, Simran Gleason wrote: > ... they strain a bit and let out little grunting noises. That's TRUE! I've heard those grunting noises coming from my LEDs! And all these years I thought it was me! > Luckily the grunting noises are emitted at a particular frequency > that's only mimiced by the sound of an internet user saying awwwww > when viewing pictures of baby hedgehogs, so the sensors are not > easy to fool. Well, that's not true! Because I can fool them into grunting or into making little groveling sounds whenever I tell them exactly what I think of them when they don't work properly. This works especially well if I mimic the frequency of a disapproving father LED. Which for some strange reason I find it very easy to do. William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(thanks Brian for putting it together) On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Brian Richardson wrote: > Just to make it easy, I've set up dorkbot at knowhere.net. You can email > pictures there and it'll show up here: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/autodorkbotpdx/ they get tagged with > dorkbotpdx immediately, and I'll add any new photos that show up to > the photopool (http://www.flickr.com/groups/dorkbotpdx/pool/) > > Hope that helps! > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Thomas Lockney > wrote: > > Right. This has been mentioned before over and over again, but we have > the > > DorkbotPDX Flickr pool set up already and at least some of the group > members > > use it heavily. I'm not an iphone user myself, but I've heard there are > apps > > that make it quite easy to upload pictures with tags and all. > > > > http://www.flickr.com/groups/dorkbotpdx/ > > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Donald Delmar Davis > > wrote: > >> > >> We have that with the dorkbotpdx flickr pool. > >> > >> On Oct 14, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Paul Stoffregen wrote: > >> > >> > Something that might be really cool could be an address where anyone > >> > at > >> > the meeting could send a photo from their iphone (or whatever camera > >> > equipped mobile device) and it would automatically post to the wiki or > >> > somewhere else on the website. After the meeting, anyone interested > >> > could add comments, code, links, whatever. > >> > > >> > There's so many great projects brought to every meeting and it'd be > >> > pretty damn awesome if a few people with camera devices snapped > >> > pictures > >> > with default of "shoot first, ask questions later". > >> > > >> > Just a thought... or a lot of work for someone else. > >> > > >> > > >> > -Paul > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > >> > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > >> > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > >> dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > >> http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > > > > > > > -- > > Thomas Lockney > > Instigator, Geek, Techie > > http://www.google.com/profiles/tlockney > > twitter: @tlockney > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091026/f300b2d1/attachment-0001.html From gunterhausfrau at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 17:51:32 2009 From: gunterhausfrau at gmail.com (dan p) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:51:32 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] projects pages? In-Reply-To: <8e6971a90910261450g397a8df1gbdc7ebdf2e4ed44c@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e6971a90910131423g33681bc8ye54353a12b38edbe@mail.gmail.com> <7164e3620910141018t64944d89ha8d48096ecbbe@mail.gmail.com> <8e6971a90910141058s62058380s84108c99c9029438@mail.gmail.com> <7a05808a0910141137i7121b3d6y7c2477da4040d7a1@mail.gmail.com> <4AD621B9.5070902@pjrc.com> <7a05808a0910141249u5c1076d5udf2f4d370a381a80@mail.gmail.com> <7164e3620910141325n5c29c54bk84c254c8f926f606@mail.gmail.com> <8e6971a90910261450g397a8df1gbdc7ebdf2e4ed44c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e6971a90910261451i1a85f6fcn7d43725b82cc630b@mail.gmail.com> just in case, here's the link http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/local_projects On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:50 PM, dan p wrote: > Just a reminder, as today is a meeting day, might be a good day to post a > project or two? > > (thanks Brian for putting it together) > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Brian Richardson wrote: > >> Just to make it easy, I've set up dorkbot at knowhere.net. You can email >> pictures there and it'll show up here: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/autodorkbotpdx/ they get tagged with >> dorkbotpdx immediately, and I'll add any new photos that show up to >> the photopool (http://www.flickr.com/groups/dorkbotpdx/pool/) >> >> Hope that helps! >> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Thomas Lockney >> wrote: >> > Right. This has been mentioned before over and over again, but we have >> the >> > DorkbotPDX Flickr pool set up already and at least some of the group >> members >> > use it heavily. I'm not an iphone user myself, but I've heard there are >> apps >> > that make it quite easy to upload pictures with tags and all. >> > >> > http://www.flickr.com/groups/dorkbotpdx/ >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Donald Delmar Davis >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> We have that with the dorkbotpdx flickr pool. >> >> >> >> On Oct 14, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Paul Stoffregen wrote: >> >> >> >> > Something that might be really cool could be an address where anyone >> >> > at >> >> > the meeting could send a photo from their iphone (or whatever camera >> >> > equipped mobile device) and it would automatically post to the wiki >> or >> >> > somewhere else on the website. After the meeting, anyone interested >> >> > could add comments, code, links, whatever. >> >> > >> >> > There's so many great projects brought to every meeting and it'd be >> >> > pretty damn awesome if a few people with camera devices snapped >> >> > pictures >> >> > with default of "shoot first, ask questions later". >> >> > >> >> > Just a thought... or a lot of work for someone else. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -Paul >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list >> >> > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org >> >> > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list >> >> dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org >> >> http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Thomas Lockney >> > Instigator, Geek, Techie >> > http://www.google.com/profiles/tlockney >> > twitter: @tlockney >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list >> > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org >> > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list >> dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org >> http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think he should get it (over me) > > Dan. > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Jesse Michael > wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 07:54:09PM -0700, Donald Delmar Davis wrote: > > I have that I will sell you for 8 bucks one and one of Brian > Rielly's > > PRC boards that you can have. > > > > http://www.wulfden.org/PRC/index.shtml > > > > I will be totally psyched once they figure out that not everyone > runs > > windows. > > > > Like the avr the tools are windows bound and unlike the avr there is > > no prominent open source tool chain. > > It looks like it's possible to run the command-line "Propellent" > compiler > under wine and use a native loader.py script that uses pyserial to > load > your code onto the chip, so it seems to be possible to do some non- > windows > development, even if it's not possible to do everything with open- > source > tools yet. > > http://propeller.wikispaces.com/Linux+Development has some details > about > what you need and how to use them. > > There's also a java-based open-source Propeller assembler-- > > http://www.cliff.biffle.org/software/propeller/propasm/ > > It looks like there's also been some effort toward reverse-engineering > the spin bytecode and interpreter that actually seemed to have some > support from Chip Gracey, the founder of the company-- > > http://propeller.wikispaces.com/Spin+Byte+Code > http://propeller.wikispaces.com/Cracking+Open+the+Propeller+Chip > > That said, I'm definitely interested in playing with these chips, so > if > you don't want to mess around with those and have one you don't want, > I'll take it. > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091026/10071ca1/attachment.html From james.neal at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 20:09:01 2009 From: james.neal at gmail.com (Laen) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] The Sparkfun Order Message-ID: <1b9bcf95-2ca0-49f6-bbf8-b859a43f5d21@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> I'm afraid the Sparkfun order isn't going to make it in time for the meeting. It was supposed to come Saturday, but the neither the mail carrier nor the post office have it. When it gets here, I'll make best effort to get your stuff to you, or I can give it to you at the next meeting. It's your option to pay now or then. -Laen, the guy who should've used UPS for this one. From scott at dixons.mailworks.org Mon Oct 26 20:51:59 2009 From: scott at dixons.mailworks.org (Scott Dixon) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:51:59 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] The Sparkfun Order In-Reply-To: <1b9bcf95-2ca0-49f6-bbf8-b859a43f5d21@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> References: <1b9bcf95-2ca0-49f6-bbf8-b859a43f5d21@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <33EAAA16-4350-41AC-A624-AA9F01CD907F@dixons.mailworks.org> I hope the order isn't in the same limbo as my last order from Sparkfun! The USPS tracking for the package showed it somehow going *from* Portland *to* Boulder although Sparkfun could find out nothing from USPS on their end. Finally, after a week of no news, and just when Sparkfun was about to send a replacement, the order showed up with no explanation and several weeks late. Sparkfun told me this was at least the second time they had seen such a bizarre shipment from them to someone in Portland. Very strange... -scott On Oct 26, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Laen wrote: > I'm afraid the Sparkfun order isn't going to make it in time for the > meeting. It was supposed to come Saturday, but the neither the mail > carrier nor the post office have it. > > When it gets here, I'll make best effort to get your stuff to you, or > I can give it to you at the next meeting. It's your option to pay now > or then. > > -Laen, the guy who should've used UPS for this one. > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From dausmus at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 21:23:03 2009 From: dausmus at gmail.com (Doug Ausmus) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:23:03 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] The Sparkfun Order In-Reply-To: <33EAAA16-4350-41AC-A624-AA9F01CD907F@dixons.mailworks.org> References: <1b9bcf95-2ca0-49f6-bbf8-b859a43f5d21@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <33EAAA16-4350-41AC-A624-AA9F01CD907F@dixons.mailworks.org> Message-ID: <307640010910261823p42c502eax80291d00e26d0cac@mail.gmail.com> Although not from SparkFun, I have seen shipping that transfers to USPS for the end-leg delivery end up in Seattle and sitting there for over a week before being 'discovered' and finally making it back down to Portland area. This has made me very wary of depending on any delivery with the USPS in any leg of its journey. Bottom line: All usps- seems OK (with notable exceptions) All carrier- seems OK Part of each - seems NOT OK Your mileage may vary- Doug On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Scott Dixon wrote: > I hope the order isn't in the same limbo as my last order from > Sparkfun! The USPS tracking for the package showed it somehow going > *from* Portland *to* Boulder although Sparkfun could find out nothing > from USPS on their end. Finally, after a week of no news, and just > when Sparkfun was about to send a replacement, the order showed up > with no explanation and several weeks late. Sparkfun told me this was > at least the second time they had seen such a bizarre shipment from > them to someone in Portland. Very strange... > -scott > On Oct 26, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Laen wrote: > > > I'm afraid the Sparkfun order isn't going to make it in time for the > > meeting. It was supposed to come Saturday, but the neither the mail > > carrier nor the post office have it. > > > > When it gets here, I'll make best effort to get your stuff to you, or > > I can give it to you at the next meeting. It's your option to pay now > > or then. > > > > -Laen, the guy who should've used UPS for this one. > > _______________________________________________ > > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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First Thursday: - I am still taking a class at PSU on Thursdays and would need coverage in the gallery from 6:30 to about 9pm - no keg (I haven't arranged for such, you'd be welcome to bring whatever you like and stash it in the fridge) - uninstall just before the next Monday Dorkbot (is that the 9th of the 16th?) or by special arrangement Closing Party this Friday - MIGHT be able to arrange for a pony keg from Captured By Porches - probably a few other shows closing on the block but nothing like First Thursday - uninstall by Tuesday the 3rd at the latest (not sure if I'd open for First Thurs, but I'd like the option) Thanks again for your participation in the show. It's been really well received. And please let folks know about gallery hours on Friday from 3-7. Cheers, ben p.s. do you have any photos of the opening? I'd love to get a few to keep for the ON archive and a few to send back to Captured By Porches. Benjamin Foote http://pdxstump.com - a search engine and news aggregator for Portland http://ONgallery.org - an art gallery for interactive media, First Thursday openings http://bnf.net - Linux and Java Consulting ben at bnf.net 503-313-5379 @pdxstump on twitter From zznmeb at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 19:13:00 2009 From: zznmeb at gmail.com (M. Edward (Ed) Borasky) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:13:00 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] RACC Installation Proposals? Message-ID: Is anyone here interested in these, either as a direct submitter or mentoring a student submission? http://www.racc.org/public-art/request-proposals-installation-space -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky http://borasky-research.net "I've always regarded nature as the clothing of God." ~Alan Hovhaness -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091027/c274adcb/attachment.html From skinny at knowhere.net Tue Oct 27 19:52:35 2009 From: skinny at knowhere.net (Brian Richardson) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:52:35 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Closing Party this Friday OR First Thursday in November?? In-Reply-To: <10e900420910271156n6766ebc2naa579698136e104a@mail.gmail.com> References: <10e900420910271156n6766ebc2naa579698136e104a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7164e3620910271652s5a16ca25od3fb757fcec66755@mail.gmail.com> I'd vote for holding it over to Thursday. But the only reason I have is that this weekend is getting crazy with Halloween / Last Thursday in my world. Anyone else have opinions? Here are the pictures I know about: http://www.noisybox.net/photos/album/DorkbotPDX_at_ON_2009 I know that Steve Davee was taking pictures, I don't know if he's posted them anywhere. (Maybe this will guilt him into doing it.. heh) On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Benjamin Foote wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > SO, I'd like to get your input on two options for the show.... > > a) enjoying a closing party this Friday 10/30 5 - ?? > > OR > > b) holding the show over for First Thursday in November (not for the > whole month of November, but as a closing) > > Some caveats... > > First Thursday: > ?- I am still taking a class at PSU on Thursdays and would need > coverage in the gallery from 6:30 to about 9pm > ?- no keg (I haven't arranged for such, you'd be welcome to bring > whatever you like and stash it in the fridge) > ?- uninstall just before the next Monday Dorkbot (is that the 9th of > the 16th?) or by special arrangement > > Closing Party this Friday > ?- MIGHT be able to arrange for a pony keg from Captured By Porches > ?- probably a few other shows closing on the block but nothing like > First Thursday > ?- uninstall by Tuesday the 3rd at the latest (not sure if I'd open > for First Thurs, but I'd like the option) > > Thanks again for your participation in the show. ?It's been really > well received. ?And please let folks know about gallery hours on > Friday from 3-7. > > Cheers, > > ben > > p.s. do you have any photos of the opening? ?I'd love to get a few to > keep for the ON archive and a few to send back to Captured By Porches. > > Benjamin Foote > http://pdxstump.com - a search engine and news aggregator for Portland > http://ONgallery.org - an art gallery for interactive media, First > Thursday openings > http://bnf.net - Linux and Java Consulting > ben at bnf.net > 503-313-5379 > @pdxstump on twitter > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > From etmarchand at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 20:24:58 2009 From: etmarchand at gmail.com (Steve Jarvis) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:24:58 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Slightly off topic event announcement Message-ID: <5bf818940910271724l51152356k27b82ad27a5d2f2f@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone. 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For those of you that might be interested in > seeing/hearing a completed "virtual" pipe organ project - all sounds are > digital samples and all interaction from the organ console are MIDI > signals routed through a PC that is playing those samples - The recent > organ installation at the Hollywood Theatre is entirely virtual - no > pipes at all. There is a silent film (Phantom of the Opera) on October > 31st at 1:00 pm that will have live music (on the 'virtual' organ) > accompaniment. > > Steve From etmarchand at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 01:38:22 2009 From: etmarchand at gmail.com (Steven Jarvis) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:38:22 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Slightly off topic event announcement In-Reply-To: <4AE7D6DA.1000903@noisybox.net> References: <5bf818940910271724l51152356k27b82ad27a5d2f2f@mail.gmail.com> <4AE7D6DA.1000903@noisybox.net> Message-ID: <89A6A6B2-D468-41D5-BFCE-6373A95B8309@gmail.com> That would be great! I've tried a couple times recently. Seems like the Mondays I've had free are the 'off' weeks. I will make it one of these times though!! On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:30 PM, Jason Plumb wrote: > Hey Steve...just wanted to say hi and good to hear from you. Glad the > project is still moving forward and hope you come out and hang (or > present even!) sometime. > > -jason > > Steve Jarvis wrote: >> Hi everyone. It has been AGES since I've made it to a meet-up. Those >> that remember my MIDI organ conversion project might be interested to >> know it is somewhat functional at this point. Which is why I'm >> dropping >> this message here. For those of you that might be interested in >> seeing/hearing a completed "virtual" pipe organ project - all >> sounds are >> digital samples and all interaction from the organ console are MIDI >> signals routed through a PC that is playing those samples - The >> recent >> organ installation at the Hollywood Theatre is entirely virtual - no >> pipes at all. There is a silent film (Phantom of the Opera) on >> October >> 31st at 1:00 pm that will have live music (on the 'virtual' organ) >> accompaniment. >> >> Steve > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From jason at noisybox.net Wed Oct 28 01:39:35 2009 From: jason at noisybox.net (Jason Plumb) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:39:35 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Closing Party this Friday OR First Thursday in November?? In-Reply-To: <10e900420910271156n6766ebc2naa579698136e104a@mail.gmail.com> References: <10e900420910271156n6766ebc2naa579698136e104a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE7D917.1040101@noisybox.net> Benjamin Foote wrote: > SO, I'd like to get your input on two options for the show.... My $0.02 -- First Thursday as a closing (more notice, less Halloween conflict). -jason http://noisybox.net From tom at tom11.com Wed Oct 28 22:11:38 2009 From: tom at tom11.com (Tom Frisch) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:11:38 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Where can I get me some etchtant Message-ID: <2f5247280910281911m18c801c9pa20faca1dc684a64@mail.gmail.com> Trying my hand at ruining some copper clad PCBs. Anyone know where I can pick up some Ferric Chloride in PDX area? I tried Radioshack on 7th and Weidler, Norvac, and URS and came up empty. -Tom -- --------------------------------------- Tom Frisch / tom at tom11.com / mobile: 503.473.2801 / www.tom11.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone know where > I can pick up some Ferric Chloride in PDX area? > I tried Radioshack on 7th and Weidler, Norvac, and URS and came up > empty. > > -Tom > > -- > --------------------------------------- > Tom Frisch / tom at tom11.com / mobile: 503.473.2801 / > www.tom11.com > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091028/43ac7495/attachment-0001.html From paul at thelongs.ws Wed Oct 28 22:20:38 2009 From: paul at thelongs.ws (Paul W Long) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:20:38 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Where can I get me some etchtant In-Reply-To: <2f5247280910281911m18c801c9pa20faca1dc684a64@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f5247280910281911m18c801c9pa20faca1dc684a64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE8FBF6.7010901@thelongs.ws> I have more than I care to admit and would gladly hand some over. (I got it at Fry's.) I almost never get to a meeting; you'll have to shoot me an email if you wanna come and get some. I'm on SE 84th ave near Burnside. -pwl Tom Frisch wrote: > Trying my hand at ruining some copper clad PCBs. Anyone know where I > can pick up some Ferric Chloride in PDX area? > I tried Radioshack on 7th and Weidler, Norvac, and URS and came up empty. > > -Tom From dan_gilsdorf at hotmail.com Thu Oct 29 05:02:12 2009 From: dan_gilsdorf at hotmail.com (Dan Gilsdorf) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:02:12 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] RACC Installation Proposals? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have gotten a couple of RACC grants and would be happy to read over any proposals that any dorkbotters have and give some feedback. I have also sat on the panel that reviews these proposals so have some good insights into the workings of the process. Feel free to contact me on the matter and I'll help out however I can. Dan Gilsdorf dang at postalmodern.com www.dangilsdorf.com > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:13:00 -0700 > From: "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" > Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] RACC Installation Proposals? > To: "A discussion list for dorkbot-pdx (portland, or)" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Is anyone here interested in these, either as a direct submitter or > mentoring a student submission? > > http://www.racc.org/public-art/request-proposals-installation-space > > > > -- > M. Edward (Ed) Borasky > http://borasky-research.net > > "I've always regarded nature as the clothing of God." ~Alan Hovhaness _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: It helps you do more. Explore Windows 7. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen3:102009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091029/e51ed1a4/attachment.html From bezburn at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 16:18:54 2009 From: bezburn at gmail.com (Bez) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:18:54 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Hello my name is.... and does anyone have atmega328's Message-ID: <4b8471570910291318y7c16672ft377356919642e860@mail.gmail.com> hey there fine people, I'm new to the list and wanted to introduce myself. My name is seth, but some know me as bez. I just moved here from Seattle with my gf after graduating from school with a BSEE, and I'm digging Portland (people are really nice here). I tend towards making things with LED's cause I've been fascinated with toys that light up since i was a kid. As the subject suggests, i'm in need of some atmega328's for a project that i'm working on. I was using a atmega168 but found that crashes when i try to address over 16 LED's (i'm trying to address 48) due to not having enough SRAM to contain both the stack and two really large arrays. I'm looking forward to the next dorkbotpdx meeting on the 9th and getting a chance to meet some of you. cheers, -Seth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091029/4e7b94b2/attachment.html From paul at pjrc.com Thu Oct 29 16:40:07 2009 From: paul at pjrc.com (Paul Stoffregen) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:40:07 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Hello my name is.... and does anyone have atmega328's In-Reply-To: <4b8471570910291318y7c16672ft377356919642e860@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b8471570910291318y7c16672ft377356919642e860@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE9FDA7.8060507@pjrc.com> > ... crashes when i try to address over 16 LED's (i'm trying to address 48) due to not having enough > SRAM to contain both the stack and two really large arrays. > If you post your code with those 2 big arrays, maybe we can offer you a tip or two to trim the size or more some into flash. -Paul From hijinx at x0r.org Thu Oct 29 18:13:44 2009 From: hijinx at x0r.org (yiyi) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:13:44 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Hello my name is.... and does anyone have atmega328's In-Reply-To: <4AE9FDA7.8060507@pjrc.com> References: <4b8471570910291318y7c16672ft377356919642e860@mail.gmail.com> <4AE9FDA7.8060507@pjrc.com> Message-ID: <6b52ad3a0910291513n6964b8e6w90a22b4621fe7ad7@mail.gmail.com> I am involved with this project as well. We can't use flash, due to the arrays constantly being written to. The general idea of the code is it uses the dmx code from http://blog.wingedvictorydesign.com/2009/05/12/rev12-of-the-arduino-dmx-reception-software-released/ and it uses the tlc5940 code from http://code.google.com/p/tlc5940arduino/ The dmx code runs a timer and stores the data in a 48 element array of bytes. The tlc5940 code stores its data into a 48 element array of 12bit ints (or 72 bytes) The timer in the dmx code simply looks for our channels, then starts writing to its byte array. When it has found all the channels we need, it then stops its interrupt, and lets the main loop know that it can process the data. The main loop goes through each of the bytes from the dmx array and converts it into the 12bits the 5940 needs. This is done right now by simply multiplying the data by 10 which effectively converts the range from 0 to 255 into 0 to 2,550. After it has converted all the values into the tlc5940 array, it then clocks the bits into the 5940s At the end of the main loop, it re-enables the dmx receive interrupt This works well for addressing up to around 20 leds. We can turn leds on/off or dim them. More than 20, though, and it doesn't work at all, except when it boots up the first time it sets a value it seems to set it to whatever value it was given. We are theorizing that we are running out of RAM, unfortunately this has proven to be difficult to determine, since we don't have a dragon or other debugger. One thing I want to try is to get rid of the 5940 array, and simply clock in the data as we set the values. This would save us around 96 bytes. anywho, attached is the (really ugly) code. On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Paul Stoffregen wrote: > >> ... crashes when i try to address over 16 LED's ?(i'm trying to address 48) due to not having enough >> SRAM to contain both the stack and two really large arrays. >> > > If you post your code with those 2 big arrays, maybe we can offer you a > tip or two to trim the size or more some into flash. > > > -Paul > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: code.zip Type: application/zip Size: 423368 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/dorkbotpdx-blabber/attachments/20091029/9943488e/attachment-0001.zip From paul at pjrc.com Thu Oct 29 19:48:55 2009 From: paul at pjrc.com (Paul Stoffregen) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:48:55 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Hello my name is.... and does anyone have atmega328's In-Reply-To: <6b52ad3a0910291513n6964b8e6w90a22b4621fe7ad7@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b8471570910291318y7c16672ft377356919642e860@mail.gmail.com> <4AE9FDA7.8060507@pjrc.com> <6b52ad3a0910291513n6964b8e6w90a22b4621fe7ad7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AEA29E7.5080302@pjrc.com> Your program is using 304 bytes of RAM, not including the stack. Of this, 151 appears to be for the Serial object and its receive buffer. It looks like you're only using Serial to initialize the UART and then your own code manipulates it. Unless you're somehow using Serial in a way I didn't see (I did only look at your code briefly), you could eliminate those 151 bytes by just copying the Serial.begin code. In older versions of Arduino, before 0015, Serial was much simpler, so you might want to grab it from one of those. Even if you are using Serial, you can decrease rx_buffer and if you copy the old versions, they don't burn 18 bytes with pointers. Here are the commands you can use to find this kind of info. The avr-size tells you the amount of memory used. The non-stack RAM used is the sum of bss and data. "bss" is variables that start as zero and "data" is variables that are initialized with non-zero values. paul at preston:/tmp/code/receiver_rev13/applet > avr-size receiver_rev13.cpp.elf text data bss dec hex filename 2378 12 292 2682 a7a receiver_rev13.cpp.elf To get a list of all the actual variables, using "avr-objdump -t" and look at the "bss" and "data" lines. For example: paul at preston:/tmp/code/receiver_rev13/applet > avr-objdump -t receiver_rev13.cpp.elf | grep bss 0080010c l d .bss 00000000 .bss 000000f0 l .text 00000000 .do_clear_bss_start 000000ee l .text 00000000 .do_clear_bss_loop 00800158 l O .bss 00000001 _ZL12firstGSInput 0080022f l O .bss 00000001 timer0_fract 00800227 g O .bss 00000004 timer0_overflow_count 0080022b g O .bss 00000004 timer0_millis 00800226 g O .bss 00000001 j 0080010c g O .bss 00000001 tlc_needXLAT 00800225 g O .bss 00000001 zerocounter 00800230 g .bss 00000000 __bss_end 008001f4 g O .bss 00000030 dmxvalue 00800224 g O .bss 00000001 dmxnewvalue 00800159 g O .bss 00000084 rx_buffer 00800157 g O .bss 00000001 Tlc 008001dd g O .bss 00000013 Serial 008001f0 g O .bss 00000001 i 000000e6 g .text 00000000 __do_clear_bss 0080010d g O .bss 00000002 tlc_onUpdateFinished 008001f1 g O .bss 00000001 dmxreceived 008001f2 g O .bss 00000002 dmxcurrent 0080010c g .bss 00000000 __bss_start 0080010f g O .bss 00000048 tlc_GSData I have a hard time seeing how you could be using 720 bytes of stack space, but still, about half your RAM usage is due to Serial, so maybe eliminating that might help? Also, I'm wondering how you're getting any idea what your code is doing? This sort of project would be a lot easier on a board like Teensy++ (yes, a shameless plug) or Sanguino or Arduino Mega where you have a second communication port so you can still print to the serial port. Those boards all have substantially more memory too! -Paul yiyi wrote: > I am involved with this project as well. > We can't use flash, due to the arrays constantly being written to. > > The general idea of the code is it uses the dmx code from > http://blog.wingedvictorydesign.com/2009/05/12/rev12-of-the-arduino-dmx-reception-software-released/ > and it uses the tlc5940 code from http://code.google.com/p/tlc5940arduino/ > > The dmx code runs a timer and stores the data in a 48 element array of bytes. > The tlc5940 code stores its data into a 48 element array of 12bit ints > (or 72 bytes) > > The timer in the dmx code simply looks for our channels, then starts > writing to its byte array. When it has found all the channels we need, > it then stops its interrupt, and lets the main loop know that it can > process the data. > The main loop goes through each of the bytes from the dmx array and > converts it into the 12bits the 5940 needs. This is done right now by > simply multiplying the data by 10 which effectively converts the range > from 0 to 255 into 0 to 2,550. After it has converted all the values > into the tlc5940 array, it then clocks the bits into the 5940s > At the end of the main loop, it re-enables the dmx receive interrupt > > This works well for addressing up to around 20 leds. We can turn leds > on/off or dim them. More than 20, though, and it doesn't work at all, > except when it boots up the first time it sets a value it seems to set > it to whatever value it was given. > > We are theorizing that we are running out of RAM, unfortunately this > has proven to be difficult to determine, since we don't have a dragon > or other debugger. > > One thing I want to try is to get rid of the 5940 array, and simply > clock in the data as we set the values. This would save us around 96 > bytes. > > anywho, attached is the (really ugly) code. > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Paul Stoffregen wrote: > >>> ... crashes when i try to address over 16 LED's (i'm trying to address 48) due to not having enough >>> SRAM to contain both the stack and two really large arrays. >>> >>> >> If you post your code with those 2 big arrays, maybe we can offer you a >> tip or two to trim the size or more some into flash. >> >> >> -Paul >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list >> dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org >> http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list >> dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org >> http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From ddelmardavis at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 16:54:45 2009 From: ddelmardavis at gmail.com (Donald Delmar Davis) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:54:45 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] RACC Installation Proposals? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <053C0995-B6E0-4939-9D5E-3E9CC298A462@gmail.com> Dan, This is a great offer. Getting the proposals out and right is probably the most intimidating part of these resources. Don. On Oct 29, 2009, at 2:02 AM, Dan Gilsdorf wrote: > I have gotten a couple of RACC grants and would be happy to read over > any proposals that any dorkbotters have and give some feedback. I > have also > sat on the panel that reviews these proposals so have some good > insights > into the workings of the process. Feel free to contact me on the > matter and I'll > help out however I can. > > Dan Gilsdorf > dang at postalmodern.com > www.dangilsdorf.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:13:00 -0700 > > From: "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" > > Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] RACC Installation Proposals? > > To: "A discussion list for dorkbot-pdx (portland, or)" > > > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Is anyone here interested in these, either as a direct submitter or > > mentoring a student submission? > > > > http://www.racc.org/public-art/request-proposals-installation-space > > > > > > > > -- > > M. Edward (Ed) Borasky > > http://borasky-research.net > > > > "I've always regarded nature as the clothing of God." ~Alan > Hovhaness > > > Windows 7: It helps you do more. Explore Windows 7. > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A Bear is Eating Me! http://helpabeariseatingme.com From alex at x37v.info Fri Oct 30 21:15:54 2009 From: alex at x37v.info (Alex Norman) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:15:54 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] The Sparkfun Order In-Reply-To: <1b9bcf95-2ca0-49f6-bbf8-b859a43f5d21@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> References: <1b9bcf95-2ca0-49f6-bbf8-b859a43f5d21@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <20091031011554.GK4747@silverninja.net> Mouser, 250, 512-1N4454, Rectifiers Vr/75V Io/200mA BULK, $0.014 -Alex On 0, Laen wrote: > I'm afraid the Sparkfun order isn't going to make it in time for the > meeting. It was supposed to come Saturday, but the neither the mail > carrier nor the post office have it. > > When it gets here, I'll make best effort to get your stuff to you, or > I can give it to you at the next meeting. It's your option to pay now > or then. > > -Laen, the guy who should've used UPS for this one. > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > From dorkbot at mersenne.com Sat Oct 31 13:14:44 2009 From: dorkbot at mersenne.com (dave madden) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:14:44 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Another Online Electronic Surplus Store Message-ID: <1257009284.6554.71.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> Here's a store I just found, dunno if I'm late to the party. Maybe we can add them as a special guest to one of the Group Order dates. http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/default.asp -- David H. Madden - Mersenne Law LLC - www.mersenne.com 1500 SW First Ave. / Suite 1170 / Portland, Oregon 97201 From james.neal at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 13:57:14 2009 From: james.neal at gmail.com (Laen) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] [grouporder] November 2nd is our next group order Message-ID: <322d28fd-9eb5-43eb-be5b-0c0a43a9c98c@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com> In this order: Digikey and Mouser. At least I can trust their shipping times. :) -Laen From james.neal at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 13:59:10 2009 From: james.neal at gmail.com (Laen) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Another Online Electronic Surplus Store In-Reply-To: <1257009284.6554.71.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> References: <1257009284.6554.71.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> Message-ID: <5510c6eb-2b0f-458f-930a-1057d13a8e9e@m3g2000pri.googlegroups.com> They have a lot of great (and rare!) stuff at very cheap prices, but their shipping is incredibly slow. Last order I did from them took about a month to receive. -Laen On Oct 31, 10:14?am, dave madden wrote: > Here's a store I just found, dunno if I'm late to the party. ?Maybe we > can add them as a special guest to one of the Group Order dates. > > http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/default.asp > -- > David H. Madden ?- ?Mersenne Law LLC ?- ?www.mersenne.com > 1500 SW First Ave. / Suite 1170 / Portland, Oregon ?97201 > > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.orghttp://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber From montyg at bittybot.com Sat Oct 31 15:23:56 2009 From: montyg at bittybot.com (montyg at bittybot.com) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:23:56 -0700 Subject: [dorkbotpdx-blabber] Another Online Electronic Surplus Store In-Reply-To: <5510c6eb-2b0f-458f-930a-1057d13a8e9e@m3g2000pri.googlegroups.com> References: <1257009284.6554.71.camel@voodoo.mersenne.com> <5510c6eb-2b0f-458f-930a-1057d13a8e9e@m3g2000pri.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <20091031122356.y36p85qddwgw8k40@secure28.inmotionhosting.com> I would be interested in a group order too despite their shipping times. I don't remember having shipping problems though, but it's been many years since my last order. Monty Quoting Laen : > They have a lot of great (and rare!) stuff at very cheap prices, but > their shipping is incredibly slow. Last order I did from them took > about a month to receive. > > -Laen > > On Oct 31, 10:14?am, dave madden wrote: >> Here's a store I just found, dunno if I'm late to the party. ?Maybe we >> can add them as a special guest to one of the Group Order dates. >> >> http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/default.asp >> -- >> David H. Madden ?- ?Mersenne Law LLC ?- ?www.mersenne.com >> 1500 SW First Ave. / Suite 1170 / Portland, Oregon ?97201 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list >> dorkbotpdx-blab... at dorkbot.orghttp://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber > _______________________________________________ > dorkbotpdx-blabber mailing list > dorkbotpdx-blabber at dorkbot.org > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/dorkbotpdx-blabber >