From jasonjgw at pacific.net.au Tue Nov 1 00:39:22 2005 From: jasonjgw at pacific.net.au (Jason White) Date: Tue Nov 1 00:39:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Miscellaneous hardware/software questions Message-ID: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> I am looking for suitable hardware to handle digital i/o between a Linux system and an RME ADI-2 ad/da converter that I just bought. I don't need lots of channels, but reliability of the data transfer is important, including jitter reduction. An RME card would be excellent but it is somewhat outside my budget. Also, connectivity to a laptop would be desirable, suggesting either a USB interface or waiting until http://freebob.sourceforge.net/ (the Alsa firewire project) matures. I don't plan to run any OS besides Linux with this hardware, so Alsa support is crucial. As this is for home/personal use I'm not in a hurry. M-Audio hardware is high on my list of possibilities at the moment. Now to the software question: does there exist any sound editor with a non-graphical interface, i.e., one that can be operated from the Linux console for inserting, deleting, copying and otherwise editing audio? Due to a vision-related disability I can't use a graphical display and therefore need a text-only solution - but all the sound editors appear to require X11. Surely it should be possible to design an audio interface to a digital sound editor. Suggestions welcome. I've discussed hardware on this list once before, and the USB options weren't highly regarded at the time. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Nov 1 06:29:42 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Nov 1 06:27:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Miscellaneous hardware/software questions In-Reply-To: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> References: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> Message-ID: <1130844582.10939.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 16:39 +1100, Jason White wrote: > Now to the software question: does there exist any sound editor with a > non-graphical interface, i.e., one that can be operated from the Linux console > for inserting, deleting, copying and otherwise editing audio? Due to a > vision-related disability I can't use a graphical display and therefore need a > text-only solution - but all the sound editors appear to require X11. Surely > it should be possible to design an audio interface to a digital sound editor. i have no doubt that its possible. i also have no doubt that there is a PhD waiting for the first person to do this. you are talking about developing an entirely new set of user interface metaphors for a potentially very complex task. this is never easy, and doing it without using the sensory input that the vast majority of programmers utilize during their own interactions with a computer makes it even harder. --p From beachnase at web.de Tue Nov 1 07:14:13 2005 From: beachnase at web.de (Frank Neumann) Date: Tue Nov 1 07:15:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Audio Conference #4 (LAC2006): Call for Papers/Music etc Message-ID: Dear all, this should have come one month earlier, but such is life..anyway: This mail is to announce the calls for papers/music/etc for the 4th International Linux Audio Conference (LAC2006). See http://lac.zkm.de/2006 for more information. LAC2006 will take place 27-30 April 2006, again at the ZKM | Institute for Music and Acoustics in Karlsruhe, Germany. We have tried to simplify things a little bit since LAC2005. There are calls for papers, demos, workshops, and music. The former category BOFS has been merged with the workshops. There is no call for project notes anymore; instead we have the call for demos now. The call for posters has been discarded. We hope everybody agrees that this is an improvement and we are looking forward to many interesting submissions for LAC2006! Please feel free to forward this email to anybody who is interested. Thank you for reading! Frank Neumann and Goetz Dipper *********************************************************************** Call for Papers We invite submissions of papers addressing all areas of audio processing based on Linux and open source software. Papers can focus on technical, artistic or scientific issues and can target developers or users. This includes (but is not limited to) the following categories: * Computer Music * Music Production * Instruments * Drivers and Sound Architecture * Audio Distributions * Generic (Usage, Documentation etc.) The conference is held in english, so all papers and presentations will have to be done in english, too. Length of a paper is 4-8 pages. Papers have to include an abstract (50-100 words). The abstract will be published separately on the conference website once the paper has been accepted. Also, papers should include up to 5 keywords. In general talks should take 20-30 minutes followed by 5 minutes discussion. Please notify us if you need a special technical setup. The technical standard setup will be: * microphone (head set) * projector with XVGA input (resolution 1024x768) * stereo speaker setup with mini jack input If you are not able to bring your laptop along with you, please notify us in advance. How to submit * File format is PDF, formatted for A4 paper. Make use of the templates for paper formatting available at: http://lac.zkm.de/2006/downloads.shtml * See our check list to ensure that you do not forget to enclose all necessary information: http://lac.zkm.de/2006/submission_instructions.shtml * Send your paper and all necessary information by 8 Jan 2006 via email to this address: lac2006 at zkm dot de * You will be notified by 19 Feb 2006 whether your paper has been accepted. The reviewers may ask you to modify your paper in order to be accepted. The deadline for the final version is March 12, 2006. Important Dates 08 Jan 2006: Paper submission deadline 19 Feb 2006: Notification of acceptance 12 Mar 2006: Final version deadline 27 - 30 Apr 2006: Conference *********************************************************************** Call for Demos This is the only new category of LAC2006. You do not need to write a whole paper, but rather a short abstract only (50-100 words). This category is mainly thought for software demos. Be aware though that in case of too many submissions papers take priority over demos. See section "Call for Papers" for info on the duration of talks and the technical setup. How to submit * See our check list to ensure that you do not forget to enclose all necessary information: http://lac.zkm.de/2006/submission_instructions.shtml * Send your abstract and all necessary information by 8 Jan 2006 via email to this address: lac2006 at zkm dot de * You will be notified by 19 Feb 2006 whether your submission has been accepted. Deadline for submissions is 08 Jan 2006. *********************************************************************** Call for Workshops With respect to their content workshops do not differ from talks: Workshops can have technical focus as well as artistic or scientific focus. Workshops can be targeted to developers as well as users. See section "Call for Papers" for more info on this. The shape of the workshop is completely up to you. E.g. it can be tutorial-like ("how to write an ALSA driver/ a jack application/ a LADSPA plugin/ etc.") or it can be BOFS-like (e.g. a meeting of like-minded users and/or developers to exchange experience and knowledge about a specific topic), or it can be anything in between. Workshops can take place in seminar rooms or in a public space like the ZKM cafe. Depending on the location, attendance might be limited to ca 10 people. There is no deadline for submitting workshops. However, we strongly encourage you to submit early. It will be more likely to get a free slot and it will be easier for attendants to know about the workshop if it is published on the conference website. If you expect the attendants to prepare their laptops for your workshop (e.g. by installing some software) or if there are other requirements, please note so in your abstract. How to submit * See our check list to ensure that you do not forget to enclose all necessary information. http://lac.zkm.de/2006/submission_instructions.shtml * Send an abstract (ca. 50-100 words) and all necessary information via email to this address: lac2006 at zkm dot de * The abstract will be published on the conference website once the workshop has been accepted (not before 27 Feb 2006 though). *********************************************************************** Call for Music There will be some concerts during the conference. We are looking for music that has been produced completely or mostly under Linux and/or with open source software: * "Serious" compositions, to be played in a concert-like context * Electronica, Chill-Out, Ambient etc., to be played in a less formal, "party-like" context. Additionally you are welcome to give a talk about your piece. We encourage you especially to show how you made the piece using open source software. Please send a short abstract (ca. 50-100 words) if you want to give a talk. If you want to participate, send your composition(s) to this address: LAC2006 - Call for Music ZKM | Institut fuer Musik und Akustik Lorenzstr. 19 D-76135 Karlsruhe Germany Make use of one of the following media formats: * Media: Audio-CD, DVD or CD-ROM * File formats: aiff or wav * Channels: mono, stereo or multi-channel * Samplerate: 44.1, 48, or 96 kHz * Resolution: 16 or 24 bit Include the following items with your submission (in English): * Requirements (speaker setup, instruments etc.) * A filled-out and signed printout of the form available here: http://lac.zkm.de/2006/downloads.shtml For the printed programme and to be published online and on the conference CD, in continuous text (no table or list please): * A short commentary on the composition(s) (each ca. 150 words) * A short Curriculum Vitae (ca. 100 words) Deadline for submissions is 08 Jan 2006. A jury will select the compositions that will be performed/played. Furthermore, the jury will give out three prices to participants to contribute to their travel expenses. Besides artistic criteria and technical reasons, these criteria apply for the selection: * Tape pieces or pieces which are performed by the composer herself will generally have more chances to get included. * If we get more pieces than we can include in the programme, composers who are attending the conference are preferred. Terms and conditions for participation can be found in the form mentioned above. This form includes among other things: * I will receive no fees whether my composition is played or not. * GEMA fees (in case of performance) will be paid by ZKM. * The material I send to ZKM will not be returned. Additionally to this Call for Music, there will be an open stage called "Plug & Chill - The Linux Jam Night" at Saturday night (29 Apr 2006), where attendents of the conference are invited to perform their pieces in a less "official" context. There is no deadline for this, so people can decide during the conference if they want to participate. However if you already know that you want to participate do not hesitate to inform us. Send us an email to lac2006 at zkm dot de and include a description of your equipment and a short characterisation of your music (keywords only). During the conference it is possible to register at the info desk. Note that there is a time limit for "Plug & Chill". If we have received too many registrations already you might not get a slot. Contributions to "Plug & Chill" should not exceed 10 min. There will be a room at ZKM where people can meet during the conference and rehearse for "Plug & Chill". *********************************************************************** From jayv at synth.net Tue Nov 1 07:29:40 2005 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Tue Nov 1 07:30:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Miscellaneous hardware/software questions In-Reply-To: <1130844582.10939.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> <1130844582.10939.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: At 6:29 -0500 1/11/05, Paul Davis wrote: >On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 16:39 +1100, Jason White wrote: > > Now to the software question: does there exist any sound editor with a > > non-graphical interface, i.e., one that can be operated from the >Linux console > > for inserting, deleting, copying and otherwise editing audio? Due to a > > vision-related disability I can't use a graphical display and >therefore need a > > text-only solution - but all the sound editors appear to require >X11. Surely > > it should be possible to design an audio interface to a digital >sound editor. > >i have no doubt that its possible. i also have no doubt that there is a >PhD waiting for the first person to do this. you are talking about >developing an entirely new set of user interface metaphors for a >potentially very complex task. this is never easy, and doing it without >using the sensory input that the vast majority of programmers utilize >during their own interactions with a computer makes it even harder. > well .. there is the SND sound editor, which is billed as 'the emacs of sound editors' .. details here: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/ the interface for SND itself can be fully programmed in Scheme (courtesy of Guile) or you can use Ruby too .. all of SND's edit functionality can be broken out into scripts, and this means extensive control over buffered edits, so it seems to me to be pretty close to what Jason was looking for .. assuming it can build on his system. seems to me that, while its not exactly a 'set up and go' solution to the problem of having an editor usable by vision-impaired folks, it certainly has all the hooks and gubbins to bring such a thing into existence .. -- ; Jay Vaughan From ecrug at gmx.net Tue Nov 1 08:31:07 2005 From: ecrug at gmx.net (Gabriel Brachtel) Date: Tue Nov 1 08:31:23 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Miscellaneous hardware/software questions In-Reply-To: <1130844582.10939.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> <1130844582.10939.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43676E1B.2060901@gmx.net> >>Now to the software question: does there exist any sound editor with a >>non-graphical interface, i.e., one that can be operated from the Linux console >>for inserting, deleting, copying and otherwise editing audio? Due to a >>vision-related disability I can't use a graphical display and therefore need a >>text-only solution - but all the sound editors appear to require X11. Surely >>it should be possible to design an audio interface to a digital sound editor. > > > i have no doubt that its possible.i also have no doubt that there is a > PhD waiting for the first person to do this. you are talking about > developing an entirely new set of user interface metaphors for a > potentially very complex task. this is never easy, and doing it without > using the sensory input that the vast majority of programmers utilize > during their own interactions with a computer makes it even harder. > > --p it's easy for non-programing people to bring "visions" regarding interface design. (and i love do so :) as i know programers, it's quite hard to establish a new standard. but imho the interface standards (buttons, dropdown boxes, scrolling, menu-structure, etc.) are now a couple of years old, and there might be better solutions for specific tasks. audio seems to me like a good point to start. if one can abstract from "navigating audiofiles by scrollbars", "mounting busses and audioconnections by mouse (which is nice of course)", "zooming into by eye" you could imagine hundreds of different interfaces. the plainest case would be a command-line. i think of combining sound (acoustic feedback), haptic feedback, midi-controlers (http://www.behringer.com/BCF2000/index.cfm?lang=ENG), data-gloves (http://www.5dt.com/products/pdataglove5u.html), breathcontrol(http://www.midisolutions.com/applicat.htm#BreathController), joysticks (http://www.joy-stick.net/reviews/joysticks/stikeforce.htm), vibration mouse (http://www.avbusa.com/vmouse.htm), etc. - to navigate in the program - to scrub in the files - to change parameters of plugins - to mount connections => to "listen" to the program. greets from munich, bavaria gabriel From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Nov 1 08:46:25 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Nov 1 08:44:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Miscellaneous hardware/software questions In-Reply-To: <43676E1B.2060901@gmx.net> References: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> <1130844582.10939.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43676E1B.2060901@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1130852785.10939.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> > it's easy for non-programing people to bring "visions" regarding > interface design. (and i love do so :) as i know programers, it's quite > hard to establish a new standard. but imho the interface standards > (buttons, dropdown boxes, scrolling, menu-structure, etc.) are now a > couple of years old, and there might be better solutions for specific > tasks. audio seems to me like a good point to start. i wasn't talking about such rudimentary stuff. of course there are alternatives to these basic widgets and several audio applications (even free ones) have begun to support them. the point about a visual interface is that it acts as a "memory buffer" for the user: you do not have to remember much about the structure of the session because the structure is made visible on the screen. can't remember precisely where you put a certain sound? how many copies of the bridge riff did i put in? is the door slam before or after the creak? its all there on the screen, just waiting for you to look at it. as soon as you move away from a visual UI, you have to find some way to avoid requiring the user to remember everything about the session. i think this can be done, but i don't think its trivial or even easy. the visual interface offers another hard-to-replicate feature as well: trivially variable precision. if you try doing cut-n-paste based only on audio feedback, you will find it quite hard/laborious to be as precise as you might want to be. with the visual interface, its much easier to use visual information to get the rough location of an edit and then get to precisely where you want, without many steps. with audio feedback based approaches, i think you will find yourself needing many more iterations through the edit-play-edit-play cycle before you get the location correct. --p From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Nov 1 09:10:29 2005 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Nov 1 08:58:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Miscellaneous hardware/software questions In-Reply-To: <1130844582.10939.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> <1130844582.10939.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20051101141029.GN10207@phlunky.Belkin> On Tue, 01 Nov, 2005 at 06:29AM -0500, Paul Davis spake thus: > On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 16:39 +1100, Jason White wrote: > > Now to the software question: does there exist any sound editor with a > > non-graphical interface, i.e., one that can be operated from the Linux console > > for inserting, deleting, copying and otherwise editing audio? Due to a > > vision-related disability I can't use a graphical display and therefore need a > > text-only solution - but all the sound editors appear to require X11. Surely > > it should be possible to design an audio interface to a digital sound editor. > > i have no doubt that its possible. i also have no doubt that there is a > PhD waiting for the first person to do this. you are talking about > developing an entirely new set of user interface metaphors for a > potentially very complex task. this is never easy, and doing it without > using the sensory input that the vast majority of programmers utilize > during their own interactions with a computer makes it even harder. > I don't think it needs to be *that* difficult. At least for a basic editor for cutting, pasting, applying fades, etc. After reading this post, I quickly posted the idea to my final year students as a possible honours project for them. Some haven't yet decided, and I thought this would be a good one. I was thinking of a kind of "audio shell", with python-like slicing, but with understanding of audio. This way, you could make the text very big for people with reduced sight, or pipe output to a speech engine for people with no sight. Or both. I hope someone takes the project, because even though I don't think it would necessarily be the big ground-breaking interface redesign you thought it would require, it will give us something to work from - usability data, and such. Anyway, just my thoughts. You never know - it might be even pretty handy for people like me that have 20/20 vision, but like to do everything with the keyboard instead of the mouse. Hmmm. I feel a grant application coming on. > > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Tue Nov 1 09:07:01 2005 From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt) Date: Tue Nov 1 09:07:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] re: miscellaneous questions (non-GUI editor) In-Reply-To: <200511011222.jA1CM4sq007893@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200511011222.jA1CM4sq007893@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20051101140526.M38721@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> > Now to the software question: does there exist any sound editor with a > non-graphical interface, i.e., one that can be operated from the Linux console > for inserting, deleting, copying and otherwise editing audio? Snd. Use the --with-no-gui configuration switch. From ecrug at gmx.net Tue Nov 1 09:33:08 2005 From: ecrug at gmx.net (Gabriel Brachtel) Date: Tue Nov 1 09:33:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Miscellaneous hardware/software questions Message-ID: <43677CA4.5030806@gmx.net> >>>it's easy for non-programing people to bring "visions" regarding >>>interface design. (and i love do so :) as i know programers, it's quite >>>hard to establish a new standard. but imho the interface standards >>>(buttons, dropdown boxes, scrolling, menu-structure, etc.) are now a >>>couple of years old, and there might be better solutions for specific >>>tasks. audio seems to me like a good point to start. > > > i wasn't talking about such rudimentary stuff. of course there are > alternatives to these basic widgets and several audio applications (even > free ones) have begun to support them. > > the point about a visual interface is that it acts as a "memory buffer" > for the user: you do not have to remember much about the structure of > the session because the structure is made visible on the screen. can't > remember precisely where you put a certain sound? how many copies of the > bridge riff did i put in? is the door slam before or after the creak? > its all there on the screen, just waiting for you to look at it. > > as soon as you move away from a visual UI, you have to find some way to > avoid requiring the user to remember everything about the session. when i try to remember a poem my brain creates images and i walk trough them, when i reproduce it. when i learn a piece of music it does other stuff (i'm a pianist and singer) but in the end i have a very complex thing in my mind, just think of a bach fugue. i have the fugue also in "the fingers". different areas of the brain work together. i have the same oppinion as you, we are very good in using a visual UI. we trained it for a long time. but there could be other combinations that work nearly as good as "mouse-to-eye". > the visual interface offers another hard-to-replicate feature as well: > trivially variable precision. if you try doing cut-n-paste based only on > audio feedback, you will find it quite hard/laborious to be as precise > as you might want to be. with the visual interface, its much easier to > use visual information to get the rough location of an edit and then > get to precisely where you want, without many steps. with audio feedback > based approaches, i think you will find yourself needing many more > iterations through the edit-play-edit-play cycle before you get the > location correct. i think it's all a matter of training. you do the "display-keyboard-mouse-combination" for long years and you became professional in speed and precision. watch a pro-gamer gaming with mouse.. what's about data-gloves? whats with feet-controlers and other "non-standard" devices? greets, gabriel (sorry for my clumsy english) From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Nov 1 09:57:27 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Nov 1 09:55:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Miscellaneous hardware/software questions In-Reply-To: <43677CA4.5030806@gmx.net> References: <43677CA4.5030806@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1130857048.10939.103.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > as soon as you move away from a visual UI, you have to find some way to > > avoid requiring the user to remember everything about the session. > > when i try to remember a poem my brain creates images and i walk trough > them, when i reproduce it. when i learn a piece of music it does other > stuff (i'm a pianist and singer) but in the end i have a very complex > thing in my mind, just think of a bach fugue. i have the fugue also in > "the fingers". different areas of the brain work together. i have the > same oppinion as you, we are very good in using a visual UI. we trained > it for a long time. but there could be other combinations that work > nearly as good as "mouse-to-eye". i don't agree, but i would be happy to be proved wrong. i believe, taking a cue from Donald Norman, that interfaces have certain kinds of inherent (often unexpected) properties that we end up using efficiently. in the case of visual UI's i don't believe that our skill is the dominant factor, rather its their ability to represent vast amounts of information very efficiently. you can get very good with a table saw and a router, but you will never be manipulating as much information. and with all due respect to js bach, as complex as his fugues are, the task of playing them from memory is made much easier by the fact that its a *flow*: you deterministically move from one part of the fugue to another, from one bar to the next bar, from one note to another. you are *not* composing when you do that; if you are, you are probably improvising a piece in which the final result doesn't "matter" in the sense that there is no correct answer. but trying to find the right arrangement for a multitrack piece during editing and mixing is potentially a much more complex task, requiring a whole different skill set, and the management of lots of information. of course, if your music is mostly recorded in single takes, then a lot of these issues fade away. i am thinking of more complex compositions. > i think it's all a matter of training. you do the > "display-keyboard-mouse-combination" for long years and you became > professional in speed and precision. watch a pro-gamer gaming with > mouse.. what's about data-gloves? whats with feet-controlers and other > "non-standard" devices? as a counter argument, why don't gamers use the keyboard? i suggest that its because the keyboard's own particular properties are *never* as good as the controllers they prefer, and so even though it would be cheaper (and maybe offer more possibilities), they don't do it. --p From steiner at block4.com Tue Nov 1 10:56:51 2005 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Tue Nov 1 10:57:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Miscellaneous hardware/software questions In-Reply-To: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> References: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> Message-ID: <43679043.5020506@block4.com> Jason White schrieb: > > Now to the software question: does there exist any sound editor with a > non-graphical interface Did someone already mentionend Ecasound? http://www.eca.cx/ecasound/ Its a commandline tool for multitrack audio... Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- From ardour at semiosix.com Tue Nov 1 12:32:08 2005 From: ardour at semiosix.com (John Anderson) Date: Tue Nov 1 12:32:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT?] Sound card hardware buffers and other questions Message-ID: <1130866328.20409.126.camel@groovious> Hi everyone First question: I'm trying to get my head around how sound cards work. My Terratec, for instance, has several IO ports. Are there buffers on the card itself "behind" those IO ports? If so, how big would they be? Second question: I've noticed that with jackd, the lower the period size, the more interrupts per second there are from the sound card. This is because smaller buffers need to be cleared out more often, right? So how many interrupts per second would be "too many"? Obviously this isn't a fixed number but would depend on CPU speed, system load etc etc. How does one go about finding a good balance between interrupts / second and throughput? Would alsa-devel be a better forum to ask these questions? thanks John From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Nov 1 12:59:02 2005 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Nov 1 12:47:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Funny music Message-ID: <20051101175901.GO10207@phlunky.Belkin> http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2005/11/not-taking-things-seriously.html Feel free to laugh at this - I did. It's a bit different for me. It has real guitars, for a start. Comments are, as always, craved and waited for with bated breath. James -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From lukas.zapletal at linuxexpres.cz Tue Nov 1 16:41:35 2005 From: lukas.zapletal at linuxexpres.cz (Lukas Zapletal) Date: Tue Nov 1 16:43:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AudioTrak Maya 44 USB [LONG] Message-ID: <20051101224135.6cfffcc9.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> Hello, I am trying to get this card working. It seems Maya does not complain USB standard. The ALSA subsystem detect it, it wake up but the mixers are not configured properly (since this card has 2+2 stereo inputs/outputs). What to do? Do I have chances to get it working? Thanks for help ps - sorry for the long post, see the output of lsusb and the error message - what this does mean? teepee card1 # pwd /proc/asound/card1 teepee card1 # cat stream0 AUDIOTRAK MAYA44 USB at usb-0000:00:1d.1-2, full speed : USB Audio Playback: Status: Stop Interface 1 Altset 1 Format: S16_LE Channels: 4 Endpoint: 1 OUT (ADAPTIVE) Rates: 44100, 48000 Capture: Status: Stop Interface 2 Altset 1 Format: S16_LE Channels: 4 Endpoint: 2 IN (SYNC) Rates: 44100, 48000 alsaplayer -o alsa -d default=hw:1,0 test.mp3 ALSA lib pcm.c:2090:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default=hw:1,0 snd_pcm_open: file not found (default=hw:1,0) Failed to initialize plugin! teepee card1 # amixer -c1 Simple mixer control 'Speaker',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Front Left: Playback 207 [81%] [off] Front Right: Playback 207 [81%] [off] Simple mixer control 'Speaker',1 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Front Left: Playback 211 [83%] [off] Front Right: Playback 211 [83%] [off] Simple mixer control 'Speaker',2 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Front Left: Playback 230 [90%] [on] Front Right: Playback 230 [90%] [on] teepee card1 # amixer -c1 controls numid=1,iface=MIXER,name='Speaker Playback Switch' numid=3,iface=MIXER,name='Speaker Playback Switch',index=1 numid=5,iface=MIXER,name='Speaker Playback Switch',index=2 numid=2,iface=MIXER,name='Speaker Playback Volume' numid=4,iface=MIXER,name='Speaker Playback Volume',index=1 numid=6,iface=MIXER,name='Speaker Playback Volume',index=2 teepee card1 # amixer -c1 contents numid=1,iface=MIXER,name='Speaker Playback Switch' ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw---,values=1 : values=off numid=3,iface=MIXER,name='Speaker Playback Switch',index=1 ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw---,values=1 : values=off numid=5,iface=MIXER,name='Speaker Playback Switch',index=2 ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw---,values=1 : values=on numid=2,iface=MIXER,name='Speaker Playback Volume' ; type=INTEGER,access=rw---,values=2,min=0,max=255,step=0 : values=207,207 numid=4,iface=MIXER,name='Speaker Playback Volume',index=1 ; type=INTEGER,access=rw---,values=2,min=0,max=255,step=0 : values=211,211 numid=6,iface=MIXER,name='Speaker Playback Volume',index=2 ; type=INTEGER,access=rw---,values=2,min=0,max=255,step=0 Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0a92:0091 EGO SYStems, Inc. Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.00 bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 8 idVendor 0x0a92 EGO SYStems, Inc. idProduct 0x0091 bcdDevice 1.00 iManufacturer 1 AUDIOTRAK iProduct 2 MAYA44 USB iSerial 0 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 295 bNumInterfaces 4 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0x00 MaxPower 250mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 0 bInterfaceClass 1 Audio bInterfaceSubClass 1 Control Device bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 10 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 1 (HEADER) bcdADC 1.00 wTotalLength 142 bInCollection 2 baInterfaceNr( 0) 1 baInterfaceNr( 1) 2 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 12 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 2 (INPUT_TERMINAL) bTerminalID 5 wTerminalType 0x0101 USB Streaming bAssocTerminal 0 bNrChannels 2 wChannelConfig 0x0003 Left Front (L) Right Front (R) iChannelNames 0 iTerminal 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 12 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 2 (INPUT_TERMINAL) bTerminalID 3 wTerminalType 0x0603 Line Connector bAssocTerminal 0 bNrChannels 2 wChannelConfig 0x0003 Left Front (L) Right Front (R) iChannelNames 0 iTerminal 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 10 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 6 (FEATURE_UNIT) bUnitID 4 bSourceID 3 bControlSize 1 bmaControls( 0) 0x01 Mute bmaControls( 0) 0x02 Volume bmaControls( 0) 0x02 Volume iFeature 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 12 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 2 (INPUT_TERMINAL) bTerminalID 1 wTerminalType 0x0603 Line Connector bAssocTerminal 9 bNrChannels 2 wChannelConfig 0x0003 Left Front (L) Right Front (R) iChannelNames 0 iTerminal 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 10 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 6 (FEATURE_UNIT) bUnitID 2 bSourceID 1 bControlSize 1 bmaControls( 0) 0x01 Mute bmaControls( 0) 0x02 Volume bmaControls( 0) 0x02 Volume iFeature 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 15 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 4 (MIXER_UNIT) bUnitID 6 bNrInPins 3 baSourceID( 0) 5 baSourceID( 1) 4 baSourceID( 2) 2 bNrChannels 2 wChannelConfig 0x0003 Left Front (L) Right Front (R) iChannelNames 0 bmControls 0x00 iMixer 0 junk at descriptor end: 00 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 10 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 6 (FEATURE_UNIT) bUnitID 7 bSourceID 6 bControlSize 1 bmaControls( 0) 0x01 Mute bmaControls( 0) 0x02 Volume bmaControls( 0) 0x02 Volume iFeature 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 3 (OUTPUT_TERMINAL) bTerminalID 8 wTerminalType 0x0301 Speaker bAssocTerminal 0 bSourceID 7 iTerminal 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 12 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 2 (INPUT_TERMINAL) bTerminalID 9 wTerminalType 0x0603 Line Connector bAssocTerminal 1 bNrChannels 2 wChannelConfig 0x0003 Left Front (L) Right Front (R) iChannelNames 0 iTerminal 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 10 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 6 (FEATURE_UNIT) bUnitID 10 bSourceID 9 bControlSize 1 bmaControls( 0) 0x01 Mute bmaControls( 0) 0x02 Volume bmaControls( 0) 0x02 Volume iFeature 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 11 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 4 (MIXER_UNIT) cannot get string descriptor 9, error = Broken pipe(32) << HERE Warning: Descriptor too short bUnitID 11 bNrInPins 1 baSourceID( 0) 10 bNrChannels 2 wChannelConfig 0x0003 Left Front (L) Right Front (R) iChannelNames 0 bmControls 0x00 iMixer 9 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 3 (OUTPUT_TERMINAL) bTerminalID 12 wTerminalType 0x0101 USB Streaming bAssocTerminal 0 bSourceID 11 iTerminal 0 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 1 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 0 bInterfaceClass 1 Audio bInterfaceSubClass 2 Streaming bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 1 bAlternateSetting 1 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 1 Audio bInterfaceSubClass 2 Streaming bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 1 (AS_GENERAL) bTerminalLink 5 bDelay 1 frames wFormatTag 1 PCM AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 14 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 2 (FORMAT_TYPE) bFormatType 1 (FORMAT_TYPE_I) bNrChannels 4 bSubframeSize 2 bBitResolution 16 bSamFreqType 2 Discrete tSamFreq[ 0] 44100 tSamFreq[ 1] 48000 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x01 EP 1 OUT bmAttributes 9 Transfer Type Isochronous Synch Type Adaptive wMaxPacketSize 384 bInterval 1 bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 AudioControl Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 37 bDescriptorSubtype 1 (EP_GENERAL) bmAttributes 0x01 Sampling Frequency bLockDelayUnits 0 Undefined wLockDelay 0 Undefined Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 2 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 0 bInterfaceClass 1 Audio bInterfaceSubClass 2 Streaming bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 2 bAlternateSetting 1 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 1 Audio bInterfaceSubClass 2 Streaming bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 1 (AS_GENERAL) bTerminalLink 12 bDelay 1 frames wFormatTag 1 PCM AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 14 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 2 (FORMAT_TYPE) bFormatType 1 (FORMAT_TYPE_I) bNrChannels 4 bSubframeSize 2 bBitResolution 16 bSamFreqType 2 Discrete tSamFreq[ 0] 44100 tSamFreq[ 1] 48000 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x82 EP 2 IN bmAttributes 13 Transfer Type Isochronous Synch Type Synchronous wMaxPacketSize 384 bInterval 1 bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 AudioControl Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 37 bDescriptorSubtype 1 (EP_GENERAL) bmAttributes 0x01 Sampling Frequency bLockDelayUnits 0 Undefined wLockDelay 0 Undefined Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 3 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 3 Human Interface Devices bInterfaceSubClass 0 No Subclass bInterfaceProtocol 0 None iInterface 0 HID Device Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 33 bcdHID 1.00 bCountryCode 0 bNumDescriptors 1 bDescriptorType 34 Report wDescriptorLength 52 cannot get report descriptor Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x83 EP 3 IN bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type none wMaxPacketSize 8 bInterval 16 Language IDs: (length=4) 0409 English(US) -- S pozdravem / Best regards Lukas Zapletal sefredaktor / Editor-In-Chief LinuxEXPRES - opravdovy linuxovy magazin www.LinuxEXPRES.cz tel.: +420 777 003 843 From ce at christeck.de Tue Nov 1 17:19:13 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Nov 1 17:19:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AudioTrak Maya 44 USB [LONG] In-Reply-To: <20051101224135.6cfffcc9.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> References: <20051101224135.6cfffcc9.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> Message-ID: <200511012319.13501.ce@christeck.de> > I am trying to get this card working. It seems Maya does not complain > USB standard. The ALSA subsystem detect it, it wake up but the mixers > are not configured properly (since this card has 2+2 stereo > inputs/outputs). I'm not sure about the Maya, but it seems to be similar to the Terratec Aureon USB which works well on my box (except that it is a low end card and produces some noise). No prob with ALSA or JACK. BTW: I load snd_usb_audio using the following options: modprobe snd-usb-audio nrpacks=1 but this should have nothing to do with the ALSA errors. Another guess: Please ensure you have switched off audio support in the usb drivers section of your kernel. This is the deprecated OSS driver which may conflict with the snd_usb_audio driver in the sound section of the kernel config. Best regards ce From djaquay at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 18:55:04 2005 From: djaquay at gmail.com (David Jaquay) Date: Tue Nov 1 18:55:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cheesetracker patch In-Reply-To: <20051031235519.GM10207@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20051028124925.GF10207@phlunky.Belkin> <200510311245.04264.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <20051031235519.GM10207@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: Thanks, James and Dave. I listened to some of your mp3s, James, and liked what I heard. There's a guy on archive.org named Troupe that has a similar sound. Looks like I've got more stuff to look into... Dave On 10/31/05, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Mon, 31 Oct, 2005 at 02:51PM -0700, David Jaquay spake thus: > > Can I ask a newbie question: what is a tracker? I have the impression > > that it's sorta like a sequencer, but sorta not... > > The short description is that it's a sample-based music production > tool. You play samples at different pitches and make music. > > It sounds very basic and not particularly good, but trust me, once you > start, you find that there's a lot you can do that sequencers don't > yet offer. > > For more info, history of tracking, etc, go for google. > > > Have a listen at http://dis-dot-dat.net/index.cgi?item=music/ for > examples of what you can do. > > > > Thanks, > > Dave > > > > On 10/31/05, conrad berh?rster wrote: > > > Am Freitag, 28. Oktober 2005 14:49 schrieb james@dis-dot-dat.net: > > > > I've written a simple patch to add info on the real-time capabilities > > > > of LADSPA plugins in CheeseTracker. > > > > > > > > I know I seem to be the only CheeseTracker user on the lists, but just > > > > in case... > > > No you aren't !! > > > praise the nice cheesetracker > > > > > > sizu c~ > > > > > > > > > > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2005/10/cheesetracker-patch.html > > > > > > > > > -- > "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development > That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." > (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Nov 1 19:11:27 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Nov 1 20:39:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AudioTrak Maya 44 USB [LONG] In-Reply-To: <20051101224135.6cfffcc9.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> References: <20051101224135.6cfffcc9.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> Message-ID: <1130890287.22089.31.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 22:41 +0100, Lukas Zapletal wrote: > alsaplayer -o alsa -d default=hw:1,0 test.mp3 > ALSA lib pcm.c:2090:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default=hw:1,0 > snd_pcm_open: file not found (default=hw:1,0) > Failed to initialize plugin! You are doing it wrong. The correct syntax is: alsaplayer -o alsa -d hw:1,0 test.mp3 aka lose the "default=". Lee From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Tue Nov 1 21:24:00 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Wed Nov 2 01:20:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour/TAP reverb problem In-Reply-To: <4361A31C.7000400@woh.rr.com> References: <4360B95F.3080808@woh.rr.com> <20051027212701.GA26800@r51> <4361A31C.7000400@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200511020324.00838.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> On Friday 28 October 2005 06:03, Dave Phillips wrote: > Hi Tom, hi Mark: > > ? Okay, I just reloaded the kid's Ardour session from last night. All > plugins were intact and just as I last saved them. I did the things that > caused the noise problem (moved a track, relocated playback cursor, etc). > > ? No noise. Everything was fine. > > ? ... > > ? I'm going to bed now. > > Best, > > dp Those types of noises maybe are coming from the JACK's behavioral... next time it happeds you could try to change the JACK's latency on the fly (from the Ardour's menu). -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) fecha: mi? nov 2 01:10:02 CET 2005 ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From lukas.zapletal at linuxexpres.cz Wed Nov 2 02:52:32 2005 From: lukas.zapletal at linuxexpres.cz (Lukas Zapletal) Date: Wed Nov 2 02:54:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AudioTrak Maya 44 USB [LONG] In-Reply-To: <200511012319.13501.ce@christeck.de> References: <20051101224135.6cfffcc9.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <200511012319.13501.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20051102085232.503c28bd.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> Dne Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:19:13 +0100 Christoph Eckert napsal(a): > Another guess: Please ensure you have switched off audio support in the > usb drivers section of your kernel. This is the deprecated OSS driver > which may conflict with the snd_usb_audio driver in the sound section > of the kernel config. Hi, its strange! This feature is compiled as a module (called "audio") and lsmod tells me its loaded. Very strange, I will remove it. There is also usb-midi module. Do I have to remove it too from the kernel? I use MIDI USB device... Thanks for tip. -- S pozdravem / Best regards Lukas Zapletal sefredaktor / Editor-In-Chief LinuxEXPRES - opravdovy linuxovy magazin www.LinuxEXPRES.cz tel.: +420 777 003 843 From fbar at footils.org Wed Nov 2 04:20:17 2005 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Nov 2 04:25:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AudioTrak Maya 44 USB [LONG] In-Reply-To: <20051102085232.503c28bd.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> References: <20051101224135.6cfffcc9.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <200511012319.13501.ce@christeck.de> <20051102085232.503c28bd.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> Message-ID: <20051102092017.GF11389@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Lukas Zapletal hat gesagt: // Lukas Zapletal wrote: > its strange! This feature is compiled as a module (called "audio") and > lsmod tells me its loaded. Very strange, I will remove it. You also need to blacklist it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist This actually is the USB-Audio-on-Linux-not-working-FAQ Number #1. ;) You may want to complain at your distributor: Debian has a blacklist entry as default and every distro, which ships ALSA, should have one, too. > There is also usb-midi module. Do I have to remove it too from the > kernel? I use MIDI USB device... Yep, that one should be blacklisted as well, if you want to use ALSA midi stuff. (Note: The Maya has no midi, so it shouldn't matter for this device, but it will matter for real USB midi devices.) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From lukas.zapletal at linuxexpres.cz Wed Nov 2 04:42:40 2005 From: lukas.zapletal at linuxexpres.cz (Lukas Zapletal) Date: Wed Nov 2 04:55:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AudioTrak Maya 44 USB In-Reply-To: <20051102092017.GF11389@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20051101224135.6cfffcc9.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <200511012319.13501.ce@christeck.de> <20051102085232.503c28bd.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <20051102092017.GF11389@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20051102104240.112cad44.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> Dne Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:20:17 +0100 Frank Barknecht napsal(a): > You also need to blacklist it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist Done, there is no "audio" device loaded now, but this didn`t help. Same error in the lsusb -v, no mixers, no playback. But ALSA seems to be OK. > Yep, that one should be blacklisted as well, if you want to use ALSA > midi stuff. (Note: The Maya has no midi, so it shouldn't matter for > this device, but it will matter for real USB midi devices.) I have AudioTrak MIDIMATE... Anyway, does anyone know, where the problem is? $ alsaplayer -o alsa -d hw:1,0 test.mp3 error on set_channels (2) Unavailable hw params: ACCESS: RW_INTERLEAVED FORMAT: S16_LE SUBFORMAT: STD SAMPLE_BITS: 16 FRAME_BITS: 64 CHANNELS: 4 RATE: 44100 PERIOD_TIME: (1020 92880) PERIOD_SIZE: [45 4096] PERIOD_BYTES: [360 32768] PERIODS: [2 183) BUFFER_TIME: (2040 185760) BUFFER_SIZE: [90 8192] BUFFER_BYTES: [720 65536] TICK_TIME: 4000 error on set_channels (2) Unavailable hw params: ACCESS: RW_INTERLEAVED FORMAT: S16_LE SUBFORMAT: STD SAMPLE_BITS: 16 FRAME_BITS: 64 CHANNELS: 4 RATE: 44100 PERIOD_TIME: (1020 92880) PERIOD_SIZE: [45 4096] PERIOD_BYTES: [360 32768] PERIODS: [2 183) BUFFER_TIME: (2040 185760) BUFFER_SIZE: [90 8192] BUFFER_BYTES: [720 65536] TICK_TIME: 4000 failed to configure output device...trying OSS The mixers are still bad: $ amixer -c1 Simple mixer control 'Speaker',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Front Left: Playback 216 [85%] [off] Front Right: Playback 216 [85%] [off] Simple mixer control 'Speaker',1 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Front Left: Playback 196 [77%] [off] Front Right: Playback 196 [77%] [off] Simple mixer control 'Speaker',2 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [on] Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [on] No capture mixers... Very strange. -- S pozdravem / Best regards Lukas Zapletal sefredaktor / Editor-In-Chief LinuxEXPRES - opravdovy linuxovy magazin www.LinuxEXPRES.cz tel.: +420 777 003 843 From jasonjgw at pacific.net.au Wed Nov 2 05:25:44 2005 From: jasonjgw at pacific.net.au (Jason White) Date: Wed Nov 2 05:25:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Miscellaneous hardware/software questions In-Reply-To: <20051101141029.GN10207@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> <1130844582.10939.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20051101141029.GN10207@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20051102102544.GA5472@jdc> On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 02:10:29PM +0000, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > I don't think it needs to be *that* difficult. At least for a basic > editor for cutting, pasting, applying fades, etc. I agree, but others have identified the challenging aspect - how to identify with sufficient accuracy the point at which to apply an insertion/deletion/block/cut/copy operation, and how to navigate through the file with appropriate feedback. Audio feedback might be possible, but there would have to be some provision for scaling the timing by different factors to allow the desired moment to be pinpointed. > > After reading this post, I quickly posted the idea to my final year > students as a possible honours project for them. Some haven't yet > decided, and I thought this would be a good one. I was thinking of a > kind of "audio shell", with python-like slicing, but with > understanding of audio. This way, you could make the text very big > for people with reduced sight, or pipe output to a speech engine for > people with no sight. Or both. The latter part is handled by projects such as Speakup, Yasr and BRLTTY which provide, respectively, speech and braille display access at the console level. There are also several screen magnification projects on offer, including the Gnopernicus magnifier. > > I hope someone takes the project, because even though I don't think it > would necessarily be the big ground-breaking interface redesign you > thought it would require, it will give us something to work from - > usability data, and such. If someone does take the project I'de be interested in discussing it further and trying out whatever is developed. From conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de Wed Nov 2 06:21:21 2005 From: conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de (conrad =?iso-8859-1?q?berh=F6rster?=) Date: Wed Nov 2 06:25:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack and setuid Message-ID: <200511021221.22850.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Hello Lists, I don't know, where ich can fix my little problem. Maybe i 've missed some explanations and/or haven't read my mails good enough. anyway, i try to install a linuxbox for audio on slackware i have installed slackware and patching the kernel 2.6.14 vanilla with patch-2.6.14-rt2. Then i installed the set_rtlimits1.1.0 software, because Slackware has no PAM. First. this must be all for audio in realtime , is this right?? then i have to set the setuid. aus root i have done bash-3.00$ su Password: bash-3.00# chmod ugo+s /usr/local/bin/jackd bash-3.00# exit bash-3.00$ ls -la /usr/local/bin/jackd -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 206476 2005-11-01 15:23 /usr/local/bin/jackd bash-3.00$ whoami soundroom bash-3.00$ jackd -dalsa& [1] 3202 bash-3.00$ jackd 0.100.0 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:0 configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods nperiods = 2 for capture nperiods = 2 for playback bash-3.00$ ps -aux [..] root 3202 0.0 0.4 10472 2380 pts/1 S 12:03 0:00 jackd -dalsa root 3203 0.0 0.4 10472 2380 pts/1 R 12:03 0:00 jackd -dalsa root 3204 0.0 0.4 10472 2380 pts/1 S 12:03 0:00 jackd -dalsa root 3205 0.0 0.4 10472 2380 pts/1 S 12:03 0:00 jackd -dalsa root 3206 0.2 0.4 10472 2380 pts/1 S 12:03 0:00 jackd -dalsa [..] bash-3.00$ jack_lsp JACK server not running why i can't use jack an normal user? what have i missed? why there are 5 processes of jack? is this a secure way? do i need every application as suid? From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Nov 2 08:02:24 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Nov 2 08:00:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack and setuid In-Reply-To: <200511021221.22850.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> References: <200511021221.22850.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1130936544.10939.220.camel@localhost.localdomain> > bash-3.00# chmod ugo+s /usr/local/bin/jackd > bash-3.00# exit > bash-3.00$ ls -la /usr/local/bin/jackd > -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 206476 2005-11-01 15:23 /usr/local/bin/jackd this is a really, really, really bad thing to do. there is no reason to run jackd as root or set it up as setuid root. you should be using some kernel-based technique that allows you to get realtime priviledges without being root (capabilities on 2.4 kernels, realtime-lsm for 2.6.12 or lower, or the new rtlimits code for 2.6.13 or above). if you cannot do that, then just run without realtime or explicitly run all JACK apps as root. do NOT install random, non-security related applications as setuid root. --p From conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de Wed Nov 2 08:25:45 2005 From: conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de (conrad =?utf-8?q?berh=C3=B6rster?=) Date: Wed Nov 2 08:29:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack and setuid In-Reply-To: <1130936544.10939.220.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200511021221.22850.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <1130936544.10939.220.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200511021425.46343.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Am Mittwoch, 2. November 2005 14:02 schrieb Paul Davis: thanks paul, > > bash-3.00# chmod ugo+s /usr/local/bin/jackd > > bash-3.00# exit > > bash-3.00$ ls -la /usr/local/bin/jackd > > -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 206476 2005-11-01 15:23 /usr/local/bin/jackd > > this is a really, really, really bad thing to do. yes, i have read that, because of security. but don't know a better way. > there is no reason to > run jackd as root or set it up as setuid root. you should be using some > kernel-based technique that allows you to get realtime priviledges > without being root (capabilities on 2.4 kernels, realtime-lsm for 2.6.12 > or lower, or the new rtlimits code for 2.6.13 or above). since i'm using 2.6.14 , you mean set_rtlimits from http://www.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~jwoithe/set_rtlimits-1.1.0.tgz ? but if i run jack as a user, there are no capture ports, and i have tons of xruns. sizu c~ From fbar at footils.org Wed Nov 2 11:03:11 2005 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Nov 2 11:07:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AudioTrak Maya 44 USB In-Reply-To: <20051102104240.112cad44.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> References: <20051101224135.6cfffcc9.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <200511012319.13501.ce@christeck.de> <20051102085232.503c28bd.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <20051102092017.GF11389@fliwatut.scifi> <20051102104240.112cad44.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> Message-ID: <20051102160311.GL11389@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Lukas Zapletal hat gesagt: // Lukas Zapletal wrote: > Anyway, does anyone know, where the problem is? > > $ alsaplayer -o alsa -d hw:1,0 test.mp3 > > error on set_channels (2) Unavailable hw params: Can you try, if this works: $ alsaplayer -o alsa -d plughw:1,0 test.mp3 Note the "plughw"-part. This will make ALSA automatically convert the sound data to a format, that the hardware can understand (like converting stereo to 4-channel data etc.) > No capture mixers... Very strange. Not necessarily. Many soundcards, especially USB, don't have mixer controls for everything. Some don't even have a mixer at all (like the M-Audio Quattro.) And some use very complicated mixers like the RME cards. However of course they should be able to play and capture even when not using a mixer in advance ... Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 11:09:40 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Nov 2 11:09:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next? Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Very off topic, but I thought it might be of interest to some. Even commercial audio CDs are becoming unsafe. Please excuse the noise. http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2092&tag=nl.e539 Cheers, Mark From clemens at ladisch.de Wed Nov 2 12:19:09 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Wed Nov 2 12:19:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Only two controls in on usb alsa mixer device In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1130951949.4368f50d1deae@webmail.uni-halle.de> Alex Polite wrote: > I connected my new SB Live External USB to my GNU/Debian Sid box and > it "just worked". > > The only thing that doesn't work is the mixer. In alsamixer only get I > one control (PCM). If I start alsa with the -V a option I get two > controls (PCM and PCM Capt). It may be possible that the device doesn't have more mixer controls. Please show the output of "lsusb -v" for this device. Regards, Clemens From clemens at ladisch.de Wed Nov 2 12:21:17 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Wed Nov 2 12:21:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AudioTrak Maya 44 USB [LONG] In-Reply-To: <20051101224135.6cfffcc9.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> References: <20051101224135.6cfffcc9.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> Message-ID: <1130952077.4368f58d1e3c6@webmail.uni-halle.de> Lukas Zapletal wrote: > I am trying to get this card working. It seems Maya does not complain > USB standard. The ALSA subsystem detect it, it wake up but the mixers > are not configured properly (since this card has 2+2 stereo > inputs/outputs). > > # amixer -c1 contents > numid=1,iface=MIXER,name='Speaker Playback Switch' > : values=off > numid=3,iface=MIXER,name='Speaker Playback Switch',index=1 > : values=off > numid=5,iface=MIXER,name='Speaker Playback Switch',index=2 > : values=on The first two controls are muted. What happens when you toggle them? HTH Clemens From clemens at ladisch.de Wed Nov 2 12:27:44 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Wed Nov 2 12:27:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT?] Sound card hardware buffers and other questions In-Reply-To: <1130866328.20409.126.camel@groovious> References: <1130866328.20409.126.camel@groovious> Message-ID: <1130952464.4368f7109e37f@webmail.uni-halle.de> John Anderson wrote: > First question: I'm trying to get my head around how sound cards work. > My Terratec, for instance, has several IO ports. Are there buffers on > the card itself "behind" those IO ports? Yes. > If so, how big would they be? So big that the card can get the following samples from the computer while the samples in the buffer are being played. USB devices use buffers that are bigger than one millisecond because data packets are sent once per millisecond. PCI devices usually use about 32 or 64 bytes because the following samples are only a memory access away (though PCI bus master memory reads are slower than those from the processor). The AD1848 in PIO mode has a buffer of one sample. > Second question: I've noticed that with jackd, the lower the period > size, the more interrupts per second there are from the sound card. This > is because smaller buffers need to be cleared out more often, right? Yes. > So how many interrupts per second would be "too many"? When the computer uses up too much time handling all those interrupts. "Too much" is, of course, rather subjective. > Obviously this isn't a fixed number but would depend on CPU speed, system > load etc etc. How does one go about finding a good balance between interrupts > / second and throughput? Test various settings. HTH Clemens From mista.tapas at gmx.net Wed Nov 2 12:38:29 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Wed Nov 2 12:38:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack and setuid In-Reply-To: <200511021425.46343.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> References: <200511021221.22850.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <1130936544.10939.220.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200511021425.46343.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20051102183829.2adba8cf@mango.fruits.de> On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:25:45 +0100 conrad berh??rster wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 2. November 2005 14:02 schrieb Paul Davis: > thanks paul, > > > bash-3.00# chmod ugo+s /usr/local/bin/jackd > > > bash-3.00# exit > > > bash-3.00$ ls -la /usr/local/bin/jackd > > > -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 206476 2005-11-01 15:23 /usr/local/bin/jackd > > > > this is a really, really, really bad thing to do. > yes, i have read that, because of security. but don't know a better way. > > > there is no reason to > > run jackd as root or set it up as setuid root. you should be using some > > kernel-based technique that allows you to get realtime priviledges > > without being root (capabilities on 2.4 kernels, realtime-lsm for 2.6.12 > > or lower, or the new rtlimits code for 2.6.13 or above). > since i'm using 2.6.14 , you mean set_rtlimits from > http://www.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~jwoithe/set_rtlimits-1.1.0.tgz ? > > but if i run jack as a user, there are no capture ports, and i have tons of > xruns. Just for completeness sake: You can use the realtime lsm for 2.6.13 and above, too. I would even recommend it, since it's much less of a hassle to setup (rt_limits being the "correct" solution or not). Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From lukas.zapletal at linuxexpres.cz Wed Nov 2 12:41:33 2005 From: lukas.zapletal at linuxexpres.cz (Lukas Zapletal) Date: Wed Nov 2 12:41:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AudioTrak Maya 44 USB In-Reply-To: <20051102160311.GL11389@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20051101224135.6cfffcc9.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <200511012319.13501.ce@christeck.de> <20051102085232.503c28bd.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <20051102092017.GF11389@fliwatut.scifi> <20051102104240.112cad44.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <20051102160311.GL11389@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20051102184133.2f9075dd.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> Dne Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:03:11 +0100 Frank Barknecht napsal(a): > $ alsaplayer -o alsa -d plughw:1,0 test.mp3 Nope. Alsaplayer appears with a song opened, but it is not playing at all. Pressing play button opens load dialog box. $ aplay -D plughw:1 /home/lzap/.openoffice/user/gallery/type.wav Playing WAVE '/home/lzap/.openoffice/user/gallery/type.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 22050 Hz, Mono ...and it hangs. I am giving up... -- S pozdravem / Best regards Lukas Zapletal sefredaktor / Editor-In-Chief LinuxEXPRES - opravdovy linuxovy magazin www.LinuxEXPRES.cz tel.: +420 777 003 843 From conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de Wed Nov 2 12:46:03 2005 From: conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de (conrad =?iso-8859-1?q?berh=F6rster?=) Date: Wed Nov 2 12:49:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack and setuid In-Reply-To: <20051102183829.2adba8cf@mango.fruits.de> References: <200511021221.22850.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <200511021425.46343.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <20051102183829.2adba8cf@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <200511021846.05368.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Am Mittwoch, 2. November 2005 18:38 schrieb Florian Schmidt: > > Just for completeness sake: You can use the realtime lsm for 2.6.13 and > above, too. I would even recommend it, since it's much less of a hassle > to setup (rt_limits being the "correct" solution or not). > > Flo Just to be sure . Do you mean lsm instead of rt_limits or both. and do you have a link for the lsm patch. sizu c~ From james at dis-dot-dat.net Wed Nov 2 13:09:06 2005 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Wed Nov 2 12:57:28 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cheesetracker patch In-Reply-To: References: <20051028124925.GF10207@phlunky.Belkin> <200510311245.04264.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <20051031235519.GM10207@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20051102180906.GA10028@phlunky.Belkin> On Tue, 01 Nov, 2005 at 06:55PM -0500, David Jaquay spake thus: > Thanks, James and Dave. > > I listened to some of your mp3s, James, and liked what I heard. Thankyou. > There's a guy on archive.org named Troupe that has a similar sound. Is that name correct? I'm searching for it but not finding anything. James > Looks like I've got more stuff to look into... > > Dave > > > On 10/31/05, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > On Mon, 31 Oct, 2005 at 02:51PM -0700, David Jaquay spake thus: > > > Can I ask a newbie question: what is a tracker? I have the impression > > > that it's sorta like a sequencer, but sorta not... > > > > The short description is that it's a sample-based music production > > tool. You play samples at different pitches and make music. > > > > It sounds very basic and not particularly good, but trust me, once you > > start, you find that there's a lot you can do that sequencers don't > > yet offer. > > > > For more info, history of tracking, etc, go for google. > > > > > > Have a listen at http://dis-dot-dat.net/index.cgi?item=music/ for > > examples of what you can do. > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Dave > > > > > > On 10/31/05, conrad berh?rster wrote: > > > > Am Freitag, 28. Oktober 2005 14:49 schrieb james@dis-dot-dat.net: > > > > > I've written a simple patch to add info on the real-time capabilities > > > > > of LADSPA plugins in CheeseTracker. > > > > > > > > > > I know I seem to be the only CheeseTracker user on the lists, but just > > > > > in case... > > > > No you aren't !! > > > > praise the nice cheesetracker > > > > > > > > sizu c~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2005/10/cheesetracker-patch.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Nov 2 13:34:13 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Nov 2 13:34:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AudioTrak Maya 44 USB In-Reply-To: <20051102184133.2f9075dd.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> References: <20051101224135.6cfffcc9.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <200511012319.13501.ce@christeck.de> <20051102085232.503c28bd.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <20051102092017.GF11389@fliwatut.scifi> <20051102104240.112cad44.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <20051102160311.GL11389@fliwatut.scifi> <20051102184133.2f9075dd.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> Message-ID: <1130956453.10939.253.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 18:41 +0100, Lukas Zapletal wrote: > Dne Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:03:11 +0100 > Frank Barknecht napsal(a): > > > $ alsaplayer -o alsa -d plughw:1,0 test.mp3 > > Nope. Alsaplayer appears with a song opened, but it is not playing at > all. Pressing play button opens load dialog box. > > $ aplay -D plughw:1 /home/lzap/.openoffice/user/gallery/type.wav > Playing WAVE '/home/lzap/.openoffice/user/gallery/type.wav' : Unsigned > 8 bit, Rate 22050 Hz, Mono try this with the command: aplay -N -D plughw:1 /home/lzap/.openoffice/user/gallery/type.wav i suspect you have another process using your audio interface, and that both alsaplayer and aplay are waiting for it to be released. the -N argument to aplay tells it not to wait but to report an error. --p From mista.tapas at gmx.net Wed Nov 2 13:35:52 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Wed Nov 2 13:35:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack and setuid In-Reply-To: <200511021846.05368.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> References: <200511021221.22850.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <200511021425.46343.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <20051102183829.2adba8cf@mango.fruits.de> <200511021846.05368.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20051102193552.6a2c7ff3@mango.fruits.de> On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:46:03 +0100 conrad berh?rster wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 2. November 2005 18:38 schrieb Florian Schmidt: > > > > Just for completeness sake: You can use the realtime lsm for 2.6.13 and > > above, too. I would even recommend it, since it's much less of a hassle > > to setup (rt_limits being the "correct" solution or not). > > > > Flo > > Just to be sure . Do you mean lsm instead of rt_limits or both. > > and do you have a link for the lsm patch. > > sizu c~ > yep, instead of rt_limits (they both achieve the same goal with vastly different approaches). http://sourceforge.net/projects/realtime-lsm/ -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From djaquay at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 16:17:03 2005 From: djaquay at gmail.com (David Jaquay) Date: Wed Nov 2 16:17:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cheesetracker patch In-Reply-To: <20051102180906.GA10028@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20051028124925.GF10207@phlunky.Belkin> <200510311245.04264.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <20051031235519.GM10207@phlunky.Belkin> <20051102180906.GA10028@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: Yeah, try this: http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=troupe "Crepuscular" is the name of the EP. Dave On 11/2/05, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Tue, 01 Nov, 2005 at 06:55PM -0500, David Jaquay spake thus: > > Thanks, James and Dave. > > > > I listened to some of your mp3s, James, and liked what I heard. > > Thankyou. > > > There's a guy on archive.org named Troupe that has a similar sound. > > Is that name correct? I'm searching for it but not finding anything. > > James > > > Looks like I've got more stuff to look into... > > > > Dave > > > > > > On 10/31/05, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > On Mon, 31 Oct, 2005 at 02:51PM -0700, David Jaquay spake thus: > > > > Can I ask a newbie question: what is a tracker? I have the impression > > > > that it's sorta like a sequencer, but sorta not... > > > > > > The short description is that it's a sample-based music production > > > tool. You play samples at different pitches and make music. > > > > > > It sounds very basic and not particularly good, but trust me, once you > > > start, you find that there's a lot you can do that sequencers don't > > > yet offer. > > > > > > For more info, history of tracking, etc, go for google. > > > > > > > > > Have a listen at http://dis-dot-dat.net/index.cgi?item=music/ for > > > examples of what you can do. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > On 10/31/05, conrad berh?rster wrote: > > > > > Am Freitag, 28. Oktober 2005 14:49 schrieb james@dis-dot-dat.net: > > > > > > I've written a simple patch to add info on the real-time capabilities > > > > > > of LADSPA plugins in CheeseTracker. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know I seem to be the only CheeseTracker user on the lists, but just > > > > > > in case... > > > > > No you aren't !! > > > > > praise the nice cheesetracker > > > > > > > > > > sizu c~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2005/10/cheesetracker-patch.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development > That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." > (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) > From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Wed Nov 2 18:15:27 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Nov 2 18:29:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AudioTrak Maya 44 USB In-Reply-To: <20051102184133.2f9075dd.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> References: <20051101224135.6cfffcc9.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <20051102160311.GL11389@fliwatut.scifi> <20051102184133.2f9075dd.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> Message-ID: <200511022315.27888.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 02 November 2005 17:41, Lukas Zapletal wrote: > Dne Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:03:11 +0100 > > Frank Barknecht napsal(a): > > $ alsaplayer -o alsa -d plughw:1,0 test.mp3 > > Nope. Alsaplayer appears with a song opened, but it is not playing at > all. Pressing play button opens load dialog box. > > $ aplay -D plughw:1 /home/lzap/.openoffice/user/gallery/type.wav > Playing WAVE '/home/lzap/.openoffice/user/gallery/type.wav' : Unsigned > 8 bit, Rate 22050 Hz, Mono > > ...and it hangs. > > I am giving up... Hi Lukas. Can you let us know which Linux distro your using? Also send the output from lsmod, or perhaps /sbin/lsmod , depending on your distro. Also the output from cat /proc/asound/cards. If you are using Debian, I had problems with my usb midi keyboard. I needed to modprobe snd-usb-audio , and , uhci_hcd when using a 2.6 kernel . These do not seem to be loaded as default. With Debian, if this works, you need to add "snd-usb-audio" and "uhci_hcd" to /etc/modules. Just trying to help. Nigel. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Nov 3 03:07:56 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Nov 3 03:08:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511030807.57518.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 02 November 2005 16:09, Mark Knecht was like: > ? ?Very off topic, but I thought it might be of interest to some. Even > commercial audio CDs are becoming unsafe. Please excuse the noise. > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2092&tag=nl.e539 OT maybe, but fascinating nonetheless. Does anyone have any idea whether these rootkits would affect Linux machines? I live under the glorious assumption that we can't be touched by this technology, should I start worrying?-] I love the surprise with which people announce their discovery that Sony BMG are bastards. Du~uh! -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Thu Nov 3 04:47:38 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Thu Nov 3 04:47:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next? In-Reply-To: <200511030807.57518.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> <200511030807.57518.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <4369DCBA.8080005@walescomputers.co.uk> HI I was following this on / (yes I should be doning other things!!) After wading through the usual right wing crap it seems that sony really are putting this thing out. They seem to feel thay and other large companies are above the laws they 'pay' lawmakers to make. At the moment it seems to be a windows thing, amazes me how many Americans dont realise they have no 1 privacy 2 rights Cheers Bob tim hall wrote: > On Wednesday 02 November 2005 16:09, Mark Knecht was like: > >> Very off topic, but I thought it might be of interest to some. Even >>commercial audio CDs are becoming unsafe. Please excuse the noise. >> >>http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2092&tag=nl.e539 > > > OT maybe, but fascinating nonetheless. > > Does anyone have any idea whether these rootkits would affect Linux machines? > I live under the glorious assumption that we can't be touched by this > technology, should I start worrying?-] > > I love the surprise with which people announce their discovery that Sony BMG > are bastards. Du~uh! -- Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Thu Nov 3 04:53:12 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Thu Nov 3 04:53:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next? In-Reply-To: <200511030807.57518.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> <200511030807.57518.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <4369DE08.4090907@walescomputers.co.uk> Try this for an update: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/1421250 cheers Bob PS this really is the war Zone, they get this through and we all lose!! tim hall wrote: > On Wednesday 02 November 2005 16:09, Mark Knecht was like: > >> Very off topic, but I thought it might be of interest to some. Even >>commercial audio CDs are becoming unsafe. Please excuse the noise. >> >>http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2092&tag=nl.e539 > > > OT maybe, but fascinating nonetheless. > > Does anyone have any idea whether these rootkits would affect Linux machines? > I live under the glorious assumption that we can't be touched by this > technology, should I start worrying?-] > > I love the surprise with which people announce their discovery that Sony BMG > are bastards. Du~uh! -- Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From lukas.zapletal at linuxexpres.cz Thu Nov 3 04:56:40 2005 From: lukas.zapletal at linuxexpres.cz (Lukas Zapletal) Date: Thu Nov 3 04:56:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AudioTrak Maya 44 USB In-Reply-To: <1130956453.10939.253.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20051101224135.6cfffcc9.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <200511012319.13501.ce@christeck.de> <20051102085232.503c28bd.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <20051102092017.GF11389@fliwatut.scifi> <20051102104240.112cad44.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <20051102160311.GL11389@fliwatut.scifi> <20051102184133.2f9075dd.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <1130956453.10939.253.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20051103105640.5f611082.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> Dne Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:34:13 -0500 Paul Davis napsal(a): > aplay -N -D plughw:1 /home/lzap/.openoffice/user/gallery/type.wav > > i suspect you have another process using your audio interface, and that > both alsaplayer and aplay are waiting for it to be released. the -N > argument to aplay tells it not to wait but to report an error. Well it hangs. I will send the outputs. Seems you are not giving up, me neither! Thanks for your help... ps - no audio process is running -- S pozdravem / Best regards Lukas Zapletal sefredaktor / Editor-In-Chief LinuxEXPRES - opravdovy linuxovy magazin www.LinuxEXPRES.cz tel.: +420 777 003 843 From lukas.zapletal at linuxexpres.cz Thu Nov 3 04:58:04 2005 From: lukas.zapletal at linuxexpres.cz (Lukas Zapletal) Date: Thu Nov 3 04:58:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AudioTrak Maya 44 USB [LONG] In-Reply-To: <1130952077.4368f58d1e3c6@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <20051101224135.6cfffcc9.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <1130952077.4368f58d1e3c6@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <20051103105804.381731b2.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> Dne Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:21:17 +0100 Clemens Ladisch napsal(a): > The first two controls are muted. What happens when you toggle them? The card`s LEDs are blinking when changing state (muting, unmuting, changing), but with no results. Still not working. -- S pozdravem / Best regards Lukas Zapletal sefredaktor / Editor-In-Chief LinuxEXPRES - opravdovy linuxovy magazin www.LinuxEXPRES.cz tel.: +420 777 003 843 From lukas.zapletal at linuxexpres.cz Thu Nov 3 05:00:41 2005 From: lukas.zapletal at linuxexpres.cz (Lukas Zapletal) Date: Thu Nov 3 05:01:04 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AudioTrak Maya 44 USB In-Reply-To: <200511022315.27888.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <20051101224135.6cfffcc9.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <20051102160311.GL11389@fliwatut.scifi> <20051102184133.2f9075dd.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <200511022315.27888.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20051103110041.1b60da0c.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> Dne Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:15:27 +0000 Nigel Henry napsal(a): > Hi Lukas. Can you let us know which Linux distro your using? Also send the > output from lsmod, or perhaps /sbin/lsmod , depending on your distro. Also > the output from cat /proc/asound/cards. If you are using Debian, I had > problems with my usb midi keyboard. I needed to modprobe snd-usb-audio , > and , uhci_hcd when using a 2.6 kernel . These do not seem to be loaded as > default. With Debian, if this works, you need to add "snd-usb-audio" and > "uhci_hcd" to /etc/modules. Just trying to help. Nigel. teepee lzap # uname -a Linux teepee 2.6.13-gentoo-r3 #5 Wed Nov 2 08:54:35 CET 2005 i686 Intel (R) Celeron(R) M processor 1400MHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux teepee lzap # /sbin/lsmod Module Size Used by ipw2200 176712 0 ieee80211 47492 1 ipw2200 firmware_class 7872 1 ipw2200 ehci_hcd 29256 0 uhci_hcd 31568 0 ipv6 244608 8 af_packet 17224 2 ohci_hcd 19524 0 rtc 7572 0 usbmouse 4416 0 pcspkr 3224 0 usbhid 44064 0 i2c_i801 7756 0 i2c_core 17424 1 i2c_i801 shpchp 98532 0 pci_hotplug 26484 1 shpchp intel_agp 20252 1 agpgart 29704 2 intel_agp snd_pcm_oss 48032 0 snd_mixer_oss 17216 2 snd_pcm_oss snd_seq_oss 34368 0 snd_seq_midi_event 5824 1 snd_seq_oss snd_seq 50512 4 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event snd_usb_audio 73728 0 snd_usb_lib 13952 1 snd_usb_audio snd_rawmidi 20640 1 snd_usb_lib snd_seq_device 7244 3 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi snd_hwdep 7264 1 snd_usb_audio tsdev 5952 0 evdev 7296 0 usbcore 112636 8 ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd,ohci_hcd,usbmouse,usbhid,snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib nls_iso8859_2 4352 1 nls_cp437 5440 1 vfat 10880 1 fat 47068 1 vfat nvram 7496 0 tun 8704 2 kqemu 39240 0 ppp_generic 24660 0 slhc 6016 1 ppp_generic ieee80211_crypt_tkip 9284 0 ieee80211_crypt_ccmp 6596 0 ieee80211_crypt_wep 4100 0 ieee80211_crypt 5000 4 ieee80211,ieee80211_crypt_tkip,ieee80211_crypt_ccmp,ieee80211_crypt_wep eepro100 27536 0 mii 4608 1 eepro100 snd_intel8x0 29568 3 snd_ac97_codec 83004 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm 82632 4 snd_pcm_oss,snd_usb_audio,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec snd_timer 21700 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd 47844 17 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_hwdep,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 7456 2 snd snd_page_alloc 7748 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm squashfs 32116 1 cramfs 40436 0 loop 13832 2 smbfs 62968 0 isofs 32952 0 zlib_inflate 17216 3 squashfs,cramfs,isofs udf 84740 0 nls_base 6400 7 nls_iso8859_2,nls_cp437,vfat,fat,smbfs,isofs,udf p4_clockmod 3912 0 speedstep_lib 3460 1 p4_clockmod parport_pc 32324 1 lp 10120 0 parport 33032 2 parport_pc,lp fan 3204 0 button 4880 0 battery 8260 0 ac 3396 0 video 14084 0 thermal 10888 0 processor 19004 1 thermal ibm_acpi 14972 0 ide_cd 39236 0 cdrom 38624 1 ide_cd teepee lzap # cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [I82801DBICH4 ]: ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with AD1981B at 0xd0100c00, irq 11 1 [USB ]: USB-Audio - MAYA44 USB AUDIOTRAK MAYA44 USB at usb-0000:00:1d.1-1, full speed teepee lzap # echo "ThinkPad R50e with Gentoo Linux" ThinkPad R50e with Gentoo Linux -- S pozdravem / Best regards Lukas Zapletal sefredaktor / Editor-In-Chief LinuxEXPRES - opravdovy linuxovy magazin www.LinuxEXPRES.cz tel.: +420 777 003 843 From fbar at footils.org Thu Nov 3 05:16:43 2005 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Nov 3 05:21:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AudioTrak Maya 44 USB In-Reply-To: <20051103105640.5f611082.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> References: <20051101224135.6cfffcc9.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <200511012319.13501.ce@christeck.de> <20051102085232.503c28bd.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <20051102092017.GF11389@fliwatut.scifi> <20051102104240.112cad44.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <20051102160311.GL11389@fliwatut.scifi> <20051102184133.2f9075dd.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> <1130956453.10939.253.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20051103105640.5f611082.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> Message-ID: <20051103101642.GC8886@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Lukas Zapletal hat gesagt: // Lukas Zapletal wrote: > Dne Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:34:13 -0500 > Paul Davis napsal(a): > > > aplay -N -D plughw:1 /home/lzap/.openoffice/user/gallery/type.wav > > > > i suspect you have another process using your audio interface, and that > > both alsaplayer and aplay are waiting for it to be released. the -N > > argument to aplay tells it not to wait but to report an error. > > Well it hangs. I will send the outputs. Seems you are not giving up, me > neither! Thanks for your help... Yep, never give up! Although it now becomes really mysterious. :( I have something else to try for you: Running with a samplerate of 48kHz: $ aplay -D plughw:1 -N --rate=48000 some.wav Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From v2 at iki.fi Thu Nov 3 05:35:41 2005 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Thu Nov 3 05:35:50 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AudioTrak Maya 44 USB Message-ID: <1131014141.4369e7fdd9191@www2.helsinki.fi> Quoting Lukas Zapletal : > Dne Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:34:13 -0500 > Paul Davis napsal(a): > > > aplay -N -D plughw:1 /home/lzap/.openoffice/user/gallery/type.wav > > > > i suspect you have another process using your audio interface, and > that > > both alsaplayer and aplay are waiting for it to be released. the -N > > argument to aplay tells it not to wait but to report an error. > > Well it hangs. I will send the outputs. Seems you are not giving up, me > neither! Thanks for your help... > > ps - no audio process is running Just to be sure, let's verify that you have no audio processes running. Tell us what this command outputs: lsof /dev/snd/* Sampo Savolainen From tito at rumford.de Thu Nov 3 09:04:56 2005 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Thu Nov 3 08:05:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next? In-Reply-To: <4369DE08.4090907@walescomputers.co.uk> References: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> <200511030807.57518.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4369DE08.4090907@walescomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <200511031504.56224.tito@rumford.de> studio-64 : > Try this for an update: > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/1421250 > PS this really is the war Zone, they get this through and we all > lose!! Come on, FonyBMG and all the other biggies are idiot thieves on a desperate rampage. In the past decade music industry has panicked out of every single smart thing. They managed to screw their own A&R for good. It's fun actually to watch them and their crap go down. A badly written rootkit from Sony? I'm laughing essential parts of my body off right now. Wolfgang From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Nov 3 09:13:08 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Nov 3 09:01:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] song info needed Message-ID: <436A1AF4.6030404@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Who wrote & recorded the song Burningbai that's on the LAM list ? Is the song in Chinese ? I really like that song, would also like to know what they're saying. :) Best, dp From mariusjanssen at gmx.de Thu Nov 3 11:06:24 2005 From: mariusjanssen at gmx.de (Marius) Date: Thu Nov 3 11:04:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] song info needed In-Reply-To: <436A1AF4.6030404@woh.rr.com> References: <436A1AF4.6030404@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <436A3580.1060709@gmx.de> Dave Phillips schrieb: > Greetings: > > Who wrote & recorded the song Burningbai that's on the LAM list ? Is > the song in Chinese ? > > I really like that song, would also like to know what they're saying. :) > > Best, > > dp > > me too tia Marius From fritz at fritzmetal.de Thu Nov 3 15:22:09 2005 From: fritz at fritzmetal.de (fritz@fritzmetal.de) Date: Thu Nov 3 15:22:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello! Prob with musix and Gina24 Message-ID: <436A7171.8030907@fritzmetal.de> Hi folks, I'm an absolute newbie to Linux. I installed the latest "musix" distro in the Knoppix mode and I've got a Gina24 that is not recognized by the alsaconfig tool. What do I have to do to get it running? Thanx a lot in advance! All the best, FRitz From james at dis-dot-dat.net Thu Nov 3 16:04:35 2005 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Thu Nov 3 15:52:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Miscellaneous hardware/software questions In-Reply-To: <20051102102544.GA5472@jdc> References: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> <1130844582.10939.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20051101141029.GN10207@phlunky.Belkin> <20051102102544.GA5472@jdc> Message-ID: <20051103210435.GP10207@phlunky.Belkin> On Wed, 02 Nov, 2005 at 09:25PM +1100, Jason White spake thus: > On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 02:10:29PM +0000, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > I don't think it needs to be *that* difficult. At least for a basic > > editor for cutting, pasting, applying fades, etc. > I agree, but others have identified the challenging aspect - how to identify > with sufficient accuracy the point at which to apply an > insertion/deletion/block/cut/copy operation, and how to navigate through the > file with appropriate feedback. Audio feedback might be possible, but there > would have to be some provision for scaling the timing by different factors to > allow the desired moment to be pinpointed. > > > > After reading this post, I quickly posted the idea to my final year > > students as a possible honours project for them. Some haven't yet > > decided, and I thought this would be a good one. I was thinking of a > > kind of "audio shell", with python-like slicing, but with > > understanding of audio. This way, you could make the text very big > > for people with reduced sight, or pipe output to a speech engine for > > people with no sight. Or both. > The latter part is handled by projects such as Speakup, Yasr and BRLTTY which > provide, respectively, speech and braille display access at the console level. > There are also several screen magnification projects on offer, including the > Gnopernicus magnifier. Yes, this is exactly why I love unix. All we need is to get something text based and the rest is taken care of. > > > > I hope someone takes the project, because even though I don't think it > > would necessarily be the big ground-breaking interface redesign you > > thought it would require, it will give us something to work from - > > usability data, and such. > If someone does take the project I'de be interested in discussing it further > and trying out whatever is developed. No takers, I'm afraid. Maybe next year. I just don't have the time to do it myself, although I might have a little play when I can. > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From james at dis-dot-dat.net Thu Nov 3 16:08:36 2005 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Thu Nov 3 15:56:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cheesetracker patch In-Reply-To: References: <20051028124925.GF10207@phlunky.Belkin> <200510311245.04264.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <20051031235519.GM10207@phlunky.Belkin> <20051102180906.GA10028@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20051103210836.GQ10207@phlunky.Belkin> On Wed, 02 Nov, 2005 at 04:17PM -0500, David Jaquay spake thus: > Yeah, try this: > > http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=troupe Hmm. Maybe I was having trouble hitting the keys after my last coffee binge. > "Crepuscular" is the name of the EP. That sounds nice - I'll have to listen to some more of this. Thanks, James > Dave > > On 11/2/05, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > On Tue, 01 Nov, 2005 at 06:55PM -0500, David Jaquay spake thus: > > > Thanks, James and Dave. > > > > > > I listened to some of your mp3s, James, and liked what I heard. > > > > Thankyou. > > > > > There's a guy on archive.org named Troupe that has a similar sound. > > > > Is that name correct? I'm searching for it but not finding anything. > > > > James > > > > > Looks like I've got more stuff to look into... > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > On 10/31/05, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > > On Mon, 31 Oct, 2005 at 02:51PM -0700, David Jaquay spake thus: > > > > > Can I ask a newbie question: what is a tracker? I have the impression > > > > > that it's sorta like a sequencer, but sorta not... > > > > > > > > The short description is that it's a sample-based music production > > > > tool. You play samples at different pitches and make music. > > > > > > > > It sounds very basic and not particularly good, but trust me, once you > > > > start, you find that there's a lot you can do that sequencers don't > > > > yet offer. > > > > > > > > For more info, history of tracking, etc, go for google. > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a listen at http://dis-dot-dat.net/index.cgi?item=music/ for > > > > examples of what you can do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > On 10/31/05, conrad berh?rster wrote: > > > > > > Am Freitag, 28. Oktober 2005 14:49 schrieb james@dis-dot-dat.net: > > > > > > > I've written a simple patch to add info on the real-time capabilities > > > > > > > of LADSPA plugins in CheeseTracker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know I seem to be the only CheeseTracker user on the lists, but just > > > > > > > in case... > > > > > > No you aren't !! > > > > > > praise the nice cheesetracker > > > > > > > > > > > > sizu c~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2005/10/cheesetracker-patch.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From rzewnickie at rfa.org Thu Nov 3 16:13:36 2005 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Thu Nov 3 16:13:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [rzewnickie@rfa.org: [linux-audio-dev] digigram mixart cards in smp machine] Message-ID: <20051103211336.GC4463@rfa.org> Sorry to any who get this twice. I meant to send to lau, not lad. ----- Forwarded message from Eric Dantan Rzewnicki ----- Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:47:37 -0500 From: Eric Dantan Rzewnicki Subject: [linux-audio-dev] digigram mixart cards in smp machine To: linux-audio-dev@music.columbia.edu I'm trying to get a digigram mixart8 aes/ebu working in a dual xeon box. A RME digi96 card works fine in the same box and the digigram works fine in a different uni-processor box. I don't know if it's smp related or just the box or what. booting with nosmp does not help. The symptom is that aplay fails with EINVAL when trying to open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p (or any other device on the card). jackd fails similarly when trying to open the corresponding capture device. Elrond:~# aplay /var/snd/999999_000.wav aplay: main:533: audio open error: Invalid argument The firmware is loaded. aplay works on the same box with the RME card. This is debian sarge with 2.6.13 (also tried 2.6.14) and alsa 1.0.9. Anyone have any thoughts? ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Systems Administrator Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From ajtee at ajtee.plus.com Thu Nov 3 16:19:12 2005 From: ajtee at ajtee.plus.com (Adam Tee) Date: Thu Nov 3 16:19:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Denemo 0.7.4 Released Message-ID: <436A7ED0.2030907@ajtee.plus.com> Denemo is a GTK+ front end for GNU Lilypond Music Typesetter. http://denemo.sourceforge.net After a long period of time denemo 0.7.4 has been released. New features include : Help Documentation Support for exporting to Lilypond 2.6 All ornaments/articulations added Replace Mode Basic Redo/Undo Functionality for individual objects More Templates available Export to PDF (via lilypond processing) Courtesy of Jens Askengren Also, this mail serves as a call for additional contributors to the project as Lilypond is fast moving rapid development is required to keep up. A plug-in API is being developed to enable export to other file formats or automated composition tools. Any contribution will be greatly received. Adam From jasonjgw at pacific.net.au Fri Nov 4 05:03:07 2005 From: jasonjgw at pacific.net.au (Jason White) Date: Fri Nov 4 05:03:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Miscellaneous hardware/software questions In-Reply-To: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> References: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> Message-ID: <20051104100307.GA7849@jdc> I wish to thank mailing list participants for an informative discussion of my software question. Does anyone have any thoughts on the hardware question (reproduced below) which I also raised? On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 04:39:22PM +1100, Jason White wrote: > I am looking for suitable hardware to handle digital i/o between a Linux > system and an RME ADI-2 ad/da converter that I just bought. I don't need lots > of channels, but reliability of the data transfer is important, including > jitter reduction. An RME card would be excellent but it is somewhat outside my > budget. Also, connectivity to a laptop would be desirable, suggesting either a > USB interface or waiting until http://freebob.sourceforge.net/ (the Alsa > firewire project) matures. I don't plan to run any OS besides Linux with this > hardware, so Alsa support is crucial. As this is for home/personal use I'm not > in a hurry. M-Audio hardware is high on my list of possibilities at the > moment. > From pinojazz at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 06:05:36 2005 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Fri Nov 4 06:05:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cannot write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor) Message-ID: <436B4080.3040000@gmail.com> Hi there. I'm not a linux-guru but I'm trying to build my own audio system taking some pieces from A/Demudi and Sid,and compiling some others from source.My main goal is to learn as much as I can and get an audio system working with only the components that I need. I take the last kernel from Demudi:2.6.13-1-multimedia-386 and jackd-0.100.0-4 from sid. Compiled ardour,muse,zynaddsubfx,qsampler-linuxsampler,hydrogen,and some others,and everything works really well. I'm impressed how "stable" can be the "unstable" side of Debian. The subject of this message is the output of qjackctl when I launch jackd with : /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 or /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p256 -n2 *But it works fine*,I can record and playback at realtime processing with very good results. This advice doesn't appears when launch jackd from commandline: supertux@sid:~$ /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 jackd 0.100.0 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. My machine: P IV 2.6 Mhz 1 Gb ddr Terratec DMX6 Fire soundcard Is there something that I have to do to avoid this error?I would like to know why this happens. I'd googled about it and find many cases where jack was stoped,but this is not the mine. Thanks in advance. Saludos. Cheers. -- Carlos. From plutek at infinity.net Fri Nov 4 07:51:20 2005 From: plutek at infinity.net (Peter Lutek) Date: Fri Nov 4 07:50:56 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cannot write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor) In-Reply-To: <436B4080.3040000@gmail.com> References: <436B4080.3040000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <436B5948.7040400@infinity.net> Carlos Pino wrote: > ... > The subject of this message is the output of qjackctl when I launch > jackd with : > /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 > > or > /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p256 -n2 > > *But it works fine*,I can record and playback at realtime processing > with very good results. > > This advice doesn't appears when launch jackd from commandline: > > > supertux@sid:~$ /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 > jackd 0.100.0 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > > JACK compiled with System V SHM support. > > My machine: > P IV 2.6 Mhz > 1 Gb ddr > Terratec DMX6 Fire soundcard > interesting. i have the same situation: syncpipe error starting with qjackctl but it works fine. no error starting jackd from commandline. i'm on a fedora core 3 planet-ccrma laptop, with an rme multiface. kernel 2.6.12-0.21.rdt.rhfc3.ccrma. jack 0.99.36. qjackctl 0.2.15. i don't know what's going on either. -p From versuchsanstalt at gmx.de Fri Nov 4 09:50:20 2005 From: versuchsanstalt at gmx.de (Burkhard Woelfel) Date: Fri Nov 4 09:51:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next? In-Reply-To: <200511031504.56224.tito@rumford.de> References: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> <4369DE08.4090907@walescomputers.co.uk> <200511031504.56224.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <200511041550.32573.versuchsanstalt@gmx.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 03 November 2005 15:04, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > studio-64 : > > Try this for an update: > > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/1421250 > > PS this really is the war Zone, they get this through and we all > > lose!! > > Come on, FonyBMG and all the other biggies are idiot thieves on a > desperate rampage. In the past decade music industry has panicked out > of every single smart thing. They managed to screw their own A&R for > good. It's fun actually to watch them and their crap go down. A badly > written rootkit from Sony? I'm laughing essential parts of my body off > right now. > > Wolfgang Spiegel.De reporting about "the PR debacle" (in german) - - Burkhard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ2t1N2A1EUeMSxn+AQIqZAgAgZOffkGSAkhWYFqoLgufKHQXjG41ZSUT K53pQZ950HF54HLwppzRMsWPUCv4FxzE7H5/W0WU29tVP2rBWVOLwlBtqqxKio7o fFaMAqRfd/aALYKw9WqmpYt7RELh2sDzrYHZtlVXdPABECpM5r/E8zlV7UpgXVtC yWTAv3/K7VhaAcEiJZ6VUg2ah8ryMPEr1bpKeJDEfWHmnZaKVgVyLESLX2l/kDJN f3UGxf7q1LDCFgf1WYC08GnyEPUoxBkG31qPSmiQkbg1LxuUumtChL73bRUFQYxs khESC8VZ4TbAhIW2fgcVpqX4uwpsAQWRvVJqXPyIGi9N8cZFouo7cA== =Mkxd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From doublehelixer at yahoo.com Fri Nov 4 09:55:46 2005 From: doublehelixer at yahoo.com (doublehelixer@yahoo.com) Date: Fri Nov 4 09:56:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] software that can rip indices? In-Reply-To: <20051020143903.57602.qmail@web30513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051104145547.7196.qmail@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am desperate to solve this problem. Can anyone help me find the software I need? Please please? - Andy --- "doublehelixer@yahoo.com" wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm having trouble finding an audio utility for > linux > which can rip individual files using indices on the > CD's not just tracks. I have a large library of > audio > CD's I need to rip, and they all use indices as they > all have more than 99 tracks. Can anybody recommend > a > tool that can handle these? > > Thanks in advance, > > - Andy __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From shulmang at colorado.edu Fri Nov 4 10:01:46 2005 From: shulmang at colorado.edu (Garett Shulman) Date: Fri Nov 4 10:02:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] software that can rip indices? In-Reply-To: <20051104145547.7196.qmail@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051104145547.7196.qmail@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <436B77DA.9050901@colorado.edu> Have you tried googleing? http://www.cdda2wav.de/ doublehelixer@yahoo.com wrote: >I am desperate to solve this problem. Can anyone help >me find the software I need? Please please? > >- Andy > >--- "doublehelixer@yahoo.com" > wrote: > > > >>Hello all, >> >>I'm having trouble finding an audio utility for >>linux >>which can rip individual files using indices on the >>CD's not just tracks. I have a large library of >>audio >>CD's I need to rip, and they all use indices as they >>all have more than 99 tracks. Can anybody recommend >>a >>tool that can handle these? >> >>Thanks in advance, >> >>- Andy >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. >http://farechase.yahoo.com > > From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 10:12:52 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Nov 4 10:13:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next? In-Reply-To: <200511041550.32573.versuchsanstalt@gmx.de> References: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> <4369DE08.4090907@walescomputers.co.uk> <200511031504.56224.tito@rumford.de> <200511041550.32573.versuchsanstalt@gmx.de> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511040712i1bb7ad98v594a4bd0c2870fe3@mail.gmail.com> On 11/4/05, Burkhard Woelfel wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thursday 03 November 2005 15:04, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > studio-64 : > > > Try this for an update: > > > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/1421250 > > > PS this really is the war Zone, they get this through and we all > > > lose!! > > > > Come on, FonyBMG and all the other biggies are idiot thieves on a > > desperate rampage. In the past decade music industry has panicked out > > of every single smart thing. They managed to screw their own A&R for > > good. It's fun actually to watch them and their crap go down. A badly > > written rootkit from Sony? I'm laughing essential parts of my body off > > right now. > > > > Wolfgang > > > Spiegel.De reporting about "the PR debacle" (in german) > > > - - Burkhard I have not yet found any non-Linux English report on this that points out it's really Microsoft's lack of system security that would let a CDROM install system files that cause the problem, right? - Mark From doublehelixer at yahoo.com Fri Nov 4 10:24:07 2005 From: doublehelixer at yahoo.com (doublehelixer@yahoo.com) Date: Fri Nov 4 10:24:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] software that can rip indices? In-Reply-To: <436B77DA.9050901@colorado.edu> Message-ID: <20051104152408.93760.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, for hours. The problem is that many, many people use the term "track" and "index" interchangeably when talking about audio CD's, and this has made the search process incredibly frustrating. I've tried searching on "sub-index" as well (even though that's technically not what they are called), but I haven't been able to come up with anything. As I understand it, indices are really just timeline-based mappings that exist in the disk's menu table, as opposed to tracks, which exist as actual physical boundaries in the disk format. Maybe what I'm looking for doesn't actually exist yet, but I figure if anyone has solved this problem it's going to be a linux audiophile. Anybody have ideas on where else to look/ask?? --- Garett Shulman wrote: > Have you tried googleing? > > http://www.cdda2wav.de/ > > doublehelixer@yahoo.com wrote: > > >I am desperate to solve this problem. Can anyone > help > >me find the software I need? Please please? > > > >- Andy > > > >--- "doublehelixer@yahoo.com" > > wrote: > > > > > > > >>Hello all, > >> > >>I'm having trouble finding an audio utility for > >>linux > >>which can rip individual files using indices on > the > >>CD's not just tracks. I have a large library of > >>audio > >>CD's I need to rip, and they all use indices as > they > >>all have more than 99 tracks. Can anybody > recommend > >>a > >>tool that can handle these? > >> > >>Thanks in advance, > >> > >>- Andy > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in > one click. > >http://farechase.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From toka at freebits.de Fri Nov 4 10:54:37 2005 From: toka at freebits.de (Marcel Karras) Date: Fri Nov 4 10:55:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour mixer plugins Message-ID: <20051104165437.324f4863.toka@freebits.de> Hello, I have two questions abouts the ardour mixer settings. 1. I applied two patches to a guitar track and can listen to the modified signal as long as I'm not recording. What do I have to do in order to monitor the signal after having passed these two plugins? 2. Can anyone of you suggest a good rock guitar plugin setting? I'm currently using "freeverb"+"foldover distortion" - the result is okay, but somehow not enough. Thanks in advance - Marcel Karras -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Contact: toka@freebits.de karma@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.freebits.de http://www.tu-chemnitz.de Unix, Linux && OpenSource Student of Chemnitz University of Technology ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 11:39:05 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Nov 4 11:39:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour mixer plugins In-Reply-To: <20051104165437.324f4863.toka@freebits.de> References: <20051104165437.324f4863.toka@freebits.de> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511040839m7420226fk742ffd96a30a34fe@mail.gmail.com> On 11/4/05, Marcel Karras wrote: > Hello, > > I have two questions abouts the ardour mixer settings. > > 1. I applied two patches to a guitar track and can listen to the > modified signal as long as I'm not recording. What do I have to do in > order to monitor the signal after having passed these two plugins? Options Editor - Misc. - Run plugins while recording > > 2. Can anyone of you suggest a good rock guitar plugin setting? I'm > currently using "freeverb"+"foldover distortion" - the result is okay, > but somehow not enough. > I use external stuff. Sorry. From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Nov 4 13:11:17 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Nov 4 12:09:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] software that can rip indices? In-Reply-To: <20051104152408.93760.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051104152408.93760.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200511041811.17975.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 04 November 2005 15:24, doublehelixer@yahoo.com wrote: > Yes, for hours. The problem is that many, many people > use the term "track" and "index" interchangeably when > talking about audio CD's, and this has made the search > process incredibly frustrating. > > I've tried searching on "sub-index" as well (even > though that's technically not what they are called), > but I haven't been able to come up with anything. > > As I understand it, indices are really just > timeline-based mappings that exist in the disk's menu > table, as opposed to tracks, which exist as actual > physical boundaries in the disk format. Maybe what > I'm looking for doesn't actually exist yet, but I > figure if anyone has solved this problem it's going to > be a linux audiophile. > > Anybody have ideas on where else to look/ask?? > > --- Garett Shulman wrote: > > Have you tried googleing? > > > > http://www.cdda2wav.de/ > > > > doublehelixer@yahoo.com wrote: > > >I am desperate to solve this problem. Can anyone > > > > help > > > > >me find the software I need? Please please? > > > > > >- Andy > > > > > >--- "doublehelixer@yahoo.com" > > > > > > wrote: > > >>Hello all, > > >> > > >>I'm having trouble finding an audio utility for > > >>linux > > >>which can rip individual files using indices on > > > > the > > > > >>CD's not just tracks. I have a large library of > > >>audio > > >>CD's I need to rip, and they all use indices as > > > > they > > > > >>all have more than 99 tracks. Can anybody > > > > recommend > > > > >>a > > >>tool that can handle these? > > >> > > >>Thanks in advance, > > >> > > >>- Andy > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in > > > > one click. > > > > >http://farechase.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com Hi. Have you tried the Nero cdrom that came with your writer? I had a look on Nero's site, but although they have plenty of manuals, couldn't find anything about features. If you or a friend have got a Windows OS, it might be worth seeing if it is capable of doing what you want. I also see they now have a Linux version, but you do have to pay for it. If it does work, you could always see if it will work with wine. Incidentally. 99+ tracks. Man. They must be really short ones. All the best. Nigel. From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Nov 4 12:35:25 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri Nov 4 12:35:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cannot write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor) In-Reply-To: <436B4080.3040000@gmail.com> References: <436B4080.3040000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051104183525.7e11bd34@mango.fruits.de> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 12:05:36 +0100 Carlos Pino wrote: > The subject of this message is the output of qjackctl when I launch > jackd with : > /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 Weird. jackstart should only ever be used when you tell qjackctl to do it. See the setup tab -> server path. Make sure it's just "jackd" there. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From plutek at infinity.net Fri Nov 4 12:48:22 2005 From: plutek at infinity.net (Peter Lutek) Date: Fri Nov 4 12:47:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cannot write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor) In-Reply-To: <20051104183525.7e11bd34@mango.fruits.de> References: <436B4080.3040000@gmail.com> <20051104183525.7e11bd34@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <436B9EE6.7090602@infinity.net> Florian Schmidt wrote: >On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 12:05:36 +0100 >Carlos Pino wrote: > > > > >> The subject of this message is the output of qjackctl when I launch >>jackd with : >> /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 >> >> > >Weird. jackstart should only ever be used when you tell qjackctl to do >it. See the setup tab -> server path. Make sure it's just "jackd" there. > > > dunno about carlos, but mine is set to "jackd" -- i still get the error. note that jackd IS starting fine, but we ALSO get the jackstart sync pipe error message. yeah... it's wierd. -p From rob at curates-egg.org Fri Nov 4 13:23:47 2005 From: rob at curates-egg.org (Rob Fell) Date: Fri Nov 4 13:18:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour mixer plugins In-Reply-To: <20051104165437.324f4863.toka@freebits.de> References: <20051104165437.324f4863.toka@freebits.de> Message-ID: <436BA733.4040503@curates-egg.org> Marcel Karras wrote: > Hello, Hi > 2. Can anyone of you suggest a good rock guitar plugin setting? I'm > currently using "freeverb"+"foldover distortion" - the result is okay, > but somehow not enough. I use an external LADSPA host (jack-rack or AMS) loaded with a chain consisting of; Phaser (http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#Phaser) 10 band graphic EQ (http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#Eq) mono amplifier (SWH plugins) valve preamp simulation (http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#PreampIII) 10 band graphic EQ (http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#Eq) mono amplifier (SWH plugins) I haven't yet found a satisfactory speaker-emulation so I run the processed signal through my guitar amp's power amp and mic it up. I've found the above chain to be pretty close to the 'real thing'. YMMV. R From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Nov 4 13:43:06 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri Nov 4 13:43:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cannot write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor) In-Reply-To: <436B9EE6.7090602@infinity.net> References: <436B4080.3040000@gmail.com> <20051104183525.7e11bd34@mango.fruits.de> <436B9EE6.7090602@infinity.net> Message-ID: <20051104194306.201f0817@mango.fruits.de> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 12:48:22 -0500 Peter Lutek wrote: > >> The subject of this message is the output of qjackctl when I launch > >>jackd with : > >> /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 > >> > >> > > > >Weird. jackstart should only ever be used when you tell qjackctl to do > >it. See the setup tab -> server path. Make sure it's just "jackd" there. > > > > > > > dunno about carlos, but mine is set to "jackd" -- i still get the error. > note that jackd IS starting fine, but we ALSO get the jackstart sync > pipe error message. yeah... it's wierd. maybe it's a qjackctl bug. hmm.. flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From doublehelixer at yahoo.com Fri Nov 4 13:44:52 2005 From: doublehelixer at yahoo.com (doublehelixer@yahoo.com) Date: Fri Nov 4 13:44:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] software that can rip indices? In-Reply-To: <200511041811.17975.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20051104184452.61692.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Small indeed, yes. It's a large library of SFX for audio production. We own them outright on CD, but if we want to aquire individually ripped files (to se up a searchable database SFX server) we either have to re-purchase them or rip them ourselves. Sadly Nero does not appear to support indices. Also, I'm looking at encoding over 6000 individual sounds, so I'm really hoping for a linux util that will be easily scriptable. - Andy --- Nigel Henry wrote: > On Friday 04 November 2005 15:24, > doublehelixer@yahoo.com wrote: > > Yes, for hours. The problem is that many, many > people > > use the term "track" and "index" interchangeably > when > > talking about audio CD's, and this has made the > search > > process incredibly frustrating. > > > > I've tried searching on "sub-index" as well (even > > though that's technically not what they are > called), > > but I haven't been able to come up with anything. > > > > As I understand it, indices are really just > > timeline-based mappings that exist in the disk's > menu > > table, as opposed to tracks, which exist as actual > > physical boundaries in the disk format. Maybe > what > > I'm looking for doesn't actually exist yet, but I > > figure if anyone has solved this problem it's > going to > > be a linux audiophile. > > > > Anybody have ideas on where else to look/ask?? > > > > --- Garett Shulman wrote: > > > Have you tried googleing? > > > > > > http://www.cdda2wav.de/ > > > > > > doublehelixer@yahoo.com wrote: > > > >I am desperate to solve this problem. Can > anyone > > > > > > help > > > > > > >me find the software I need? Please please? > > > > > > > >- Andy > > > > > > > >--- "doublehelixer@yahoo.com" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > >>Hello all, > > > >> > > > >>I'm having trouble finding an audio utility > for > > > >>linux > > > >>which can rip individual files using indices > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > >>CD's not just tracks. I have a large library > of > > > >>audio > > > >>CD's I need to rip, and they all use indices > as > > > > > > they > > > > > > >>all have more than 99 tracks. Can anybody > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > >>a > > > >>tool that can handle these? > > > >> > > > >>Thanks in advance, > > > >> > > > >>- Andy > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > > >Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites > in > > > > > > one click. > > > > > > >http://farechase.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in > one click. > > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > Hi. Have you tried the Nero cdrom that came with > your writer? I had a look on > Nero's site, but although they have plenty of > manuals, couldn't find anything > about features. If you or a friend have got a > Windows OS, it might be worth > seeing if it is capable of doing what you want. I > also see they now have a > Linux version, but you do have to pay for it. If it > does work, you could > always see if it will work with wine. Incidentally. > 99+ tracks. Man. They > must be really short ones. All the best. Nigel. > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From pcoccoli at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 13:46:59 2005 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Fri Nov 4 13:47:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour mixer plugins In-Reply-To: <20051104165437.324f4863.toka@freebits.de> References: <20051104165437.324f4863.toka@freebits.de> Message-ID: <8d27a0610511041046n6563f215uc54b9531cf7e07f7@mail.gmail.com> On 11/4/05, Marcel Karras wrote: > 2. Can anyone of you suggest a good rock guitar plugin setting? I'm > currently using "freeverb"+"foldover distortion" - the result is okay, > but somehow not enough. As someone else pointed out, the CAPS plugins are probably the best: http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html I think they still need to be followed by a low-pass filter (I forget which one I used, but no resonance). I haven't found anything too great, so I tried writing my own. It sounds like a decent pedal to me, instead of a real amp though. From ben at glw.com Fri Nov 4 13:56:26 2005 From: ben at glw.com (Ben Loftis) Date: Fri Nov 4 13:55:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Ardour mixer plugins In-Reply-To: <200511041704.jA4H4Uss023431@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200511041704.jA4H4Uss023431@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200511041256.26540.ben@glw.com> Marcel, Your description makes it sound like you are running the reverb first, then distortion. That may be part of the problem. You probably want the distortion before the EQ. In Ardour the mixer plugins are connected in series, with the items at the top of the list coming "before" the lower items. I'd make a chain like this: eq->compressor->distortion->eq->reverb and then start experimenting with the settings of each. Tweaking the eq's before and after the compressor and distortion will give you lots of tones. For example, you could boost the low end with the first eq and then reduce it with the second EQ. You'll want to try several different distortions to see how they react with the EQ. -Ben > 2. Can anyone of you suggest a good rock guitar plugin setting? I'm > currently using "freeverb"+"foldover distortion" - the result is okay, > but somehow not enough. > > Thanks in advance > - Marcel Karras From rncbc at rncbc.org Fri Nov 4 14:07:05 2005 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Fri Nov 4 14:06:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cannot write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor) In-Reply-To: <20051104194306.201f0817@mango.fruits.de> References: <436B4080.3040000@gmail.com> <20051104183525.7e11bd34@mango.fruits.de> <436B9EE6.7090602@infinity.net> <20051104194306.201f0817@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <436BB159.9010607@rncbc.org> Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 12:48:22 -0500 > Peter Lutek wrote: > >>>> The subject of this message is the output of qjackctl when I launch >>>> jackd with : >>>> /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 >>>> >>>> >>> Weird. jackstart should only ever be used when you tell qjackctl to do >>> it. See the setup tab -> server path. Make sure it's just "jackd" there. >>> >>> >>> >> dunno about carlos, but mine is set to "jackd" -- i still get the error. >> note that jackd IS starting fine, but we ALSO get the jackstart sync >> pipe error message. yeah... it's wierd. > > maybe it's a qjackctl bug. hmm.. > Maybe. IMO this error is pretty innocuous. It is only issued if jackd is built with ./configure --enable-capabilities, which does not make sense anymore for the 2.6 kernel line. Apparentely the error is due to some mishap with the pipe file descriptors that the jackstart launcher proccess uses to communicate with the actual jackd process. Which are simply not used if you don't use jackstart. However, jackd still tries to access the pipe if built with capabilities enabled. Maybe, it only happens when you tell qjackctl to capture the jackd standard output into its own messages window, and those pipe/file descriptors get loose (because it is assumed to be file descriptors number 4 and 5, coincidentally right after the standard ones). Just a though. Not sure. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Nov 4 14:21:51 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri Nov 4 14:22:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] rt_watchdog Message-ID: <20051104202151.1b39f66f@mango.fruits.de> Hi, here http://affenbande.org/~tapas/rt_watchdog.tgz you find a small program which acts as a watchdog daemon that kills runaway SCHED_FIFO tasks. It does so by setting up two threads: - one high priority (99) consumer that runs every 3 seconds - one low priority (1) producer that runs every second the producer fills a ringbuffer and the consumer drains it. When the ringbuffer runs empty a shell script will be run (via the system() function) that tries to change the scheduling policy of all threads in the system from SCHED_FIFO to SCHED_OTHER. the offending task may naturally not run at prio 99, otherwise the watchdog would never get to run. Here's a potential problem: The shell script potentially changes its own scheduling policy to SCHED_OTHER prior to chnaging the offending runaway task. Ugh! Any hint? Also all IRQ handler threads also have their policy changed. Dunno whether that's good or not. For reference i pasted the script and the c file here: unfifo_stuff.sh (the two arguments are the two thread id's of the rt_watchdog threads, as these are not supposed to have their policy changed). There's also a small test program in the tarball (compiles to test_rt) that wastes cycles SCHED_FIFO (locking the system) but exits eventually, so it's quite safe to test the watchdog with it. Maybe someone else find's it useful. Recommendations, tips, critique are all welcome.. unfifo_stuff.sh #!/bin/bash for i in $( ps -eL -o pid ); do if [ "$i" != "$1" -a "$i" != "$2" ] then chrt -o -p 0 $i fi done rt_watchdog.c: #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include _syscall0(pid_t,gettid) #include "ringbuffer.h" /* how long to sleep between checks in the high prio thread */ #define SLEEPSECS 3 /* how long to sleep between writing "alive" messages to the ringbuffer from the low prio thread */ #define LP_SLEEPSECS 1 /* the priority of the high prio thread */ #define PRIO 99 /* the priority of the low prio thread */ #define LP_PRIO 1 /* the ringbuffer used to transfer "alive" messages from low prio producer to high prio consumer */ jack_ringbuffer_t *rb; pthread_t low_prio_thread; /* the thread id's for the low prio and high prio threads. these get passed to the unfifo_stuff.sh script to make sure the watchdog doesn't repolicy itself to SCHED_OTHER */ pid_t lp_tid; pid_t hp_tid; void signalled(int signal) { } volatile int thread_finish; /* this is the low prio thread. it simply writes to the ringbuffer to signal that it got to run, meaning it is still alive */ void *lp_thread_func(void *arg) { char data; struct timespec tv; lp_tid = gettid(); /* syslog(LOG_INFO, "lp tid: %i", gettid()); */ data = 0 ; while(!thread_finish) { /* we simply write stuff to the ringbuffer and go back to sleeping we can ignore the return value, cause, when it's full, it's ok the data doesn;t have any meaning. it just needs to be there running full shouldn't happen anyways */ jack_ringbuffer_write(rb, &data, sizeof(data)); /* then sleep a bit. but less than the watchdog high prio thread */ tv.tv_sec = LP_SLEEPSECS; tv.tv_nsec = 0; // sleep(LP_SLEEPSECS); nanosleep(&tv, NULL); } return 0; } int main() { pid_t pid, sid; int done; struct sched_param params; char data; int err; int consumed; int count; struct timespec tv; char unfifo_cmd[1000]; /* Fork off the parent process */ pid = fork(); if (pid < 0) { exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } /* If we got a good PID, then we can exit the parent process. */ if (pid > 0) { exit(EXIT_SUCCESS); } /* Change the file mode mask */ umask(0); /* Open any logs here */ openlog("rt_watchdog", 0, LOG_DAEMON); syslog(LOG_INFO, "started"); /* Create a new SID for the child process */ sid = setsid(); if (sid < 0) { /* Log any failure here */ syslog(LOG_INFO, "setsid failed. exiting"); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } /* Change the current working directory */ if ((chdir("/")) < 0) { /* Log any failure here */ syslog(LOG_INFO, "chdir failed. exiting"); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } /* Close out the standard file descriptors */ close(STDIN_FILENO); close(STDOUT_FILENO); close(STDERR_FILENO); // syslog(LOG_INFO, "closed fd's"); /* syslog(LOG_INFO, "hp tid: %i", gettid()); */ hp_tid = gettid(); /* not really nessecary, but wtf */ mlockall(MCL_FUTURE); thread_finish = 0; done = 0; /* get ourself SCHED_FIFO with prio PRIO */ params.sched_priority = PRIO; if (pthread_setschedparam(pthread_self(), SCHED_FIFO, ¶ms)) { syslog(LOG_INFO, "couldn't set realtime prio for main thread.. exiting.."); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } // syslog(LOG_INFO, "prio set"); /* create a ringbuffer for the low prio thread to signal it's alive */ rb = jack_ringbuffer_create(1024); // syslog(LOG_INFO, "ringbuffer created"); /* create low prio thread */ err = pthread_create(&low_prio_thread, 0, lp_thread_func, 0); if(err) { syslog(LOG_INFO, "couldn't create low prio thread, exiting.."); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } /* dirty. we really need to wait for the lp thread to have written the lp_tid. (condition variable?) */ sleep(1); // syslog(LOG_INFO, "created low prio thread"); /* make the low prio thread sched_fifo */ params.sched_priority = LP_PRIO; if (pthread_setschedparam(low_prio_thread, SCHED_FIFO, ¶ms)) { syslog(LOG_INFO, "couldn't set realtime prio for lower prio thread.. exiting.."); thread_finish = 1; pthread_join(low_prio_thread, NULL); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } /* this is the main loop. we somply check whether the low prio thread got to run at all by looking into the ringbuffer. If it's empty, the low prio thread is kinda dead */ count = 0; while(!done) { tv.tv_sec = SLEEPSECS; tv.tv_nsec = 0; nanosleep(&tv, NULL); /* sleep(SLEEPSECS); */ count++; /* syslog(LOG_INFO, "count %i", count); */ /* see if our little brother got to run */ if (jack_ringbuffer_read_space(rb) == 0) { /* oh oh, it didn't */ syslog(LOG_INFO, "low prio thread seems to be starved, taking measures..."); /* we pass our own TID's to the script, so we are excluded from the scheduling policy change */ sprintf(unfifo_cmd, "unfifo_stuff.sh %i %i", lp_tid, hp_tid); syslog(LOG_INFO, "unfifo command:"); syslog(LOG_INFO, unfifo_cmd); if (system(unfifo_cmd) == -1) { syslog(LOG_INFO, "unfifo command failed"); } } else { /* consume stuff from ringbuffer */ consumed = 0; while (jack_ringbuffer_read_space(rb)) { consumed++; jack_ringbuffer_read(rb, &data, 1); } /* syslog(LOG_INFO, "lp alive: %i", consumed); */ } } thread_finish = 1; pthread_join(low_prio_thread, NULL); syslog(LOG_INFO, "exiting"); exit(EXIT_SUCCESS); } test.c: #include #include #include #include int main() { struct sched_param params; int done = 0; struct timeval tv; time_t startsec; unsigned long int loops; int outer_loops; params.sched_priority = 80; pthread_setschedparam(pthread_self(), SCHED_FIFO, ¶ms); gettimeofday(&tv,0); startsec = tv.tv_sec; #if 0 while(!done) { gettimeofday(&tv, 0); if(tv.tv_sec - startsec > 10) done = 1; } #endif for (outer_loops = 0; outer_loops < 4; ++outer_loops) { for (loops = 0; loops < 1000000000; loops++) {done += 1;} } exit (EXIT_SUCCESS); } -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Nov 4 18:34:33 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri Nov 4 18:34:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] rt_watchdog In-Reply-To: <20051104202151.1b39f66f@mango.fruits.de> References: <20051104202151.1b39f66f@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <20051105003433.7822cff0@mango.fruits.de> On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 20:21:51 +0100 Florian Schmidt wrote: > > Hi, > > here > > http://affenbande.org/~tapas/rt_watchdog.tgz Hi again. Something is fishy. It just stopped working. And i don't know why. Maybe something with kernel timer priorities. I don't know. So better don't use it unless you want to help debugging :) i idle in #lad on irc.freenode.org. Have fun, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From set at pobox.com Fri Nov 4 21:20:12 2005 From: set at pobox.com (Paul) Date: Fri Nov 4 21:20:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: software that can rip indices? In-Reply-To: <20051104184452.61692.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200511041811.17975.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20051104184452.61692.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051105022012.GA7259@squish.home.loc> "doublehelixer@yahoo.com" , on Fri Nov 04, 2005 [10:44:52 AM] said: > Small indeed, yes. It's a large library of SFX for > audio production. We own them outright on CD, but if > we want to aquire individually ripped files (to se up > a searchable database SFX server) we either have to > re-purchase them or rip them ourselves. > > Sadly Nero does not appear to support indices. Also, > I'm looking at encoding over 6000 individual sounds, > so I'm really hoping for a linux util that will be > easily scriptable. > > - Andy Hi; Im really not sure what you actually want, but cdparanoia will rip a span defined by any mix of tracks, time, and sectors. At least according to the man page... Paul set@pobox.com From jasonjgw at pacific.net.au Fri Nov 4 22:50:24 2005 From: jasonjgw at pacific.net.au (Jason White) Date: Fri Nov 4 22:50:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Miscellaneous hardware/software questions In-Reply-To: <20051104100307.GA7849@jdc> References: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> <20051104100307.GA7849@jdc> Message-ID: <20051105035024.GA7144@jdc> To clarify my hardware question, I am looking for a fully alsa-supported device supporting reliable digital input and output using s/pdif, aes/ebu or adat (optical or coaxial). S/pdif is most likely what I'll be using. Connectivity to laptop computers id desirable but not indispensable. The Core Sound Pdaudiocf (with a PCMCIA adapter) is reputedly good, but it supports input only - no output. Another option would be one of the M-Audio cards/devices, provided that Alsa supports the s/pdif interface. From jasonjgw at pacific.net.au Fri Nov 4 23:48:50 2005 From: jasonjgw at pacific.net.au (Jason White) Date: Fri Nov 4 23:48:56 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] software that can rip indices? In-Reply-To: <20051104184452.61692.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200511041811.17975.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20051104184452.61692.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051105044850.GA7514@jdc> cdda2wav has index support according to the FAQ. this may be what you need. If not, perhaps you could add the required functionality. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Nov 5 06:16:30 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Nov 5 06:16:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cannot write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor) In-Reply-To: <436B4080.3040000@gmail.com> References: <436B4080.3040000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511051116.30557.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 04 November 2005 11:05, Carlos Pino was like: > ?supertux@sid:~$ /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 > jackd 0.100.0 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > > JACK compiled with System V SHM support. This isn't an error message. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Sat Nov 5 06:54:34 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Sat Nov 5 06:54:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Miscellaneous hardware/software questions In-Reply-To: <20051105035024.GA7144@jdc> References: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> <20051104100307.GA7849@jdc> <20051105035024.GA7144@jdc> Message-ID: <436C9D7A.1020106@walescomputers.co.uk> HI I use the M_Audio Audiophile on my master machine running Demundi using the spdiff into and out of my DDX. I lock the card to the Desk using envycontrol and found it fine for digital work. No clicks or noise cheers Bob PS I use RME for the multitrack machine and this is well suported in Linux. Jason White wrote: > To clarify my hardware question, I am looking for a fully alsa-supported > device supporting reliable digital input and output using s/pdif, aes/ebu or > adat (optical or coaxial). S/pdif is most likely what I'll be using. > Connectivity to laptop computers id desirable but not indispensable. > > The Core Sound Pdaudiocf (with a PCMCIA adapter) is reputedly good, but it > supports input only - no output. > > Another option would be one of the M-Audio cards/devices, provided that Alsa > supports the s/pdif interface. > > -- Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From m_nels at gmx.net Sat Nov 5 07:05:55 2005 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Sat Nov 5 07:06:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Miscellaneous hardware/software questions In-Reply-To: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> References: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> Message-ID: <436CA023.7070305@gmx.net> Jason White wrote: > I am looking for suitable hardware to handle digital i/o between a Linux > system and an RME ADI-2 ad/da converter that I just bought. I don't need lots > of channels, but reliability of the data transfer is important, including > jitter reduction. An RME card would be excellent but it is somewhat outside my > budget. Your requirements listed make me think that an RME card is definitely the way to go. But you say that the budget is a problem. Now, I always wanted a nice soundcard, with lots of inputs and proper ALSA support. I always imagined myself getting a Delta 1010, or similar. I would have preferred an RME card, but it just seemed way over my budget. However, I was casually browsing eBay one day, and ended up buying a second-hand RME DIGI9636 for ?77 (I'm in the UK). Ok, I had to buy a replacement EEPROM chip for it, (to make it work with PC hardware, rather than MAC). But, even then, the overall cost came to less than ?100. I also had to buy a Behringer ADA-8000 to convert the ADAT lightpipe connections to balanced analogue. But it sounds as though you already have hardware to do this. I appreciate that there are various reasons not to buy second-hand. It's risky - I didn't even know that the card I bought was definitely going to work! Also, there are no warranties, or hardware support. For this reason, I find myself looking around for another cheap RME card! Firstly, I could turn that other linux box into an addition to my studio... Also, it's always nice to have a backup if something breaks. I find all the software support I could ever need right here on this list (Thanks Paul!) Hope this helps Michael Nelson From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Nov 5 07:22:06 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Nov 5 07:22:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511040712i1bb7ad98v594a4bd0c2870fe3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> <200511041550.32573.versuchsanstalt@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0511040712i1bb7ad98v594a4bd0c2870fe3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511051222.06557.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 04 November 2005 15:12, Mark Knecht was like: > On 11/4/05, Burkhard Woelfel wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Thursday 03 November 2005 15:04, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > > studio-64 : > > > > Try this for an update: > > > > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/1421250 > > > > PS this really is the war Zone, they get this through and we all > > > > lose!! > > > > > > Come on, FonyBMG and all the other biggies are idiot thieves on a > > > desperate rampage. In the past decade music industry has panicked out > > > of every single smart thing. They managed to screw their own A&R for > > > good. It's fun actually to watch them and their crap go down. A badly > > > written rootkit from Sony? I'm laughing essential parts of my body off > > > right now. > > > > > > Wolfgang > > > > Spiegel.De reporting about "the PR debacle" (in german) > > > > > > - - Burkhard > > I have not yet found any non-Linux English report on this that points > out it's really Microsoft's lack of system security that would let a > CDROM install system files that cause the problem, right? There is that. ;) Sony's DRM rootkit also appears to violate the Computer Misuse Act in the UK and may have legal problems in other parts of Europe. Plus, I'm fascinated to read the idea that Sony appear to have used parts of LAME code in their product, does that count as shooting yourself in the foot? Oh, and of course it doesn't work on Linux or Macs anyway. Boycotting Sony is probably worthwhile, although that probably won't mean a great deal for most people on this list. It's probably enough that we continue to forge ahead with building a positive alternative while we watch the corporate music business screw itself into the ground. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Nov 5 07:58:50 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Nov 5 07:58:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello! Prob with musix and Gina24 In-Reply-To: <436A7171.8030907@fritzmetal.de> References: <436A7171.8030907@fritzmetal.de> Message-ID: <200511051258.51379.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 03 November 2005 20:22, fritz@fritzmetal.de was like: > I'm an absolute newbie to Linux. I installed the latest "musix" distro > in the Knoppix mode and I've got a Gina24 that is not recognized by the > alsaconfig tool. What do I have to do to get it running? http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Echo+Digital+Audio+Corporation&card=Gina24.&chip=Motorola+56301+or+56361%2C+FPGA&module=gina24 more useful info here: http://alsa.opensrc.org/ -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From pinojazz at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 08:55:08 2005 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sat Nov 5 08:55:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cannot write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor) In-Reply-To: <200511051116.30557.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <436B4080.3040000@gmail.com> <200511051116.30557.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <436CB9BC.9030400@gmail.com> tim hall wrote: >On Friday 04 November 2005 11:05, Carlos Pino was like: > > >> supertux@sid:~$ /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 >>jackd 0.100.0 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. >>jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY >>This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it >>under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details >> >>JACK compiled with System V SHM support. >> >> > >This isn't an error message. > > Of course. http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2005-November/028256.html >* This advice doesn't appears when launch jackd from commandline:* From sstubbs at shout.net Sat Nov 5 10:07:35 2005 From: sstubbs at shout.net (The Other) Date: Sat Nov 5 10:09:04 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] software that can rip indices? In-Reply-To: <20051104184452.61692.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051104184452.61692.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200511050907.35106.sstubbs@shout.net> On Friday 04 November 2005 12:44 pm, doublehelixer@yahoo.com wrote: > Small indeed, yes. It's a large library of SFX for > audio production. We own them outright on CD, but if > we want to aquire individually ripped files (to se up > a searchable database SFX server) we either have to > re-purchase them or rip them ourselves. > - Andy Hello Andy, I now understand your problem. I have the Data Becker Monster Sound Masterbits Sound Library Pack: 8 CDs of WAV samples. I take it you're trying to builder a sound browser like Data Becker's so you can locate a particular sound given search parameters and pull it off the appropriate disc. Good luck. I'd be interested in any working Linux application you come up with. I'm still dual booting into Windows NT to pull the samples off the Data Becker CDs. Stephen. From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sat Nov 5 12:46:10 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sat Nov 5 10:50:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Miscellaneous hardware/software questions In-Reply-To: <20051101141029.GN10207@phlunky.Belkin> (james@dis-dot-dat.net's message of "Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:10:29 +0000") References: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> <1130844582.10939.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20051101141029.GN10207@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <87r79vxa1p.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> james@dis-dot-dat.net writes: > I quickly posted the idea to my final year students as a possible > honours project for them. This is great;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sat Nov 5 12:57:43 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sat Nov 5 11:01:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Miscellaneous hardware/software questions In-Reply-To: <1130852785.10939.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> (Paul Davis's message of "Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:46:25 -0500") References: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> <1130844582.10939.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43676E1B.2060901@gmx.net> <1130852785.10939.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <87k6fnx9ig.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Paul Davis writes: > the point about a visual interface is that it acts as a "memory > buffer" As I understand it, ardour will be scriptable with OSC, which is really great. A great deal would be simplified in my work when this is working. (non-interactive interface). I visualize much in my head, as the original author;) and I work very quickly this way. Tools for the blind and the deaf are the most powerful tools, in my opinion;). Don't get me wrong, I love a nice GUI too, but when I need to do something quick, I have the steps in my head and need to get them out of my head fast, giving a set of direct commands in a quick fashion, is the best way, most often. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sat Nov 5 13:00:00 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sat Nov 5 11:04:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Miscellaneous hardware/software questions In-Reply-To: <43679043.5020506@block4.com> (Malte Steiner's message of "Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:56:51 +0100") References: <20051101053922.GA6857@jdc> <43679043.5020506@block4.com> Message-ID: <87fyqbx9en.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Malte Steiner writes: > Did someone already mentionend Ecasound? Might also be worth taking a look at GDAM. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Sat Nov 5 14:59:15 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Sat Nov 5 14:59:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next? In-Reply-To: <200511051222.06557.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> <200511041550.32573.versuchsanstalt@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0511040712i1bb7ad98v594a4bd0c2870fe3@mail.gmail.com> <200511051222.06557.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <436D0F13.70100@walescomputers.co.uk> "It's probably enough that we continue to forge ahead with building a positive alternative while we watch the corporate music business screw itself into the ground. ;) " Just about says it all!! Dont worry about the million M$ users in the world, think about the 5 1/2 billion who are waiting to get computers!! Cheers Bob tim hall wrote: > On Friday 04 November 2005 15:12, Mark Knecht was like: > >>On 11/4/05, Burkhard Woelfel wrote: >> >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>Hash: SHA1 >>> >>>On Thursday 03 November 2005 15:04, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: >>> >>>>studio-64 : >>>> >>>>>Try this for an update: >>>>>http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/02/1421250 >>>>>PS this really is the war Zone, they get this through and we all >>>>>lose!! >>>> >>>>Come on, FonyBMG and all the other biggies are idiot thieves on a >>>>desperate rampage. In the past decade music industry has panicked out >>>>of every single smart thing. They managed to screw their own A&R for >>>>good. It's fun actually to watch them and their crap go down. A badly >>>>written rootkit from Sony? I'm laughing essential parts of my body off >>>>right now. >>>> >>>>Wolfgang >>> >>>Spiegel.De reporting about "the PR debacle" (in german) >>> >>> >>>- - Burkhard >> >>I have not yet found any non-Linux English report on this that points >>out it's really Microsoft's lack of system security that would let a >>CDROM install system files that cause the problem, right? > > > There is that. ;) > > Sony's DRM rootkit also appears to violate the Computer Misuse Act in the UK > and may have legal problems in other parts of Europe. Plus, I'm fascinated to > read the idea that Sony appear to have used parts of LAME code in their > product, does that count as shooting yourself in the foot? Oh, and of course > it doesn't work on Linux or Macs anyway. Boycotting Sony is probably > worthwhile, although that probably won't mean a great deal for most people on > this list. It's probably enough that we continue to forge ahead with building > a positive alternative while we watch the corporate music business screw > itself into the ground. ;) -- Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sat Nov 5 17:48:21 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sat Nov 5 16:50:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies Message-ID: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Hi. Has anyone got sineshaper installed on FC3? I'm having the most terrible dependency problems. gtkmm, then glibmm, and the list of deps goes on and on. I thought that Fedora extras handled thes deps, but adding the urls to yum for the fedora extras hasn't solved it. Yum says gtkmm doesn't exist. I'm not knocking anything. I'd just like to get sineshaper working, as it sounds like a good synth. Any tips, hints. Nigel. From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Sat Nov 5 17:28:06 2005 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Sat Nov 5 17:28:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20051106092806.0fcd699d.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Nigel Henry wrote: > Hi. Has anyone got sineshaper installed on FC3? I'm having the most terrible > dependency problems. gtkmm, then glibmm, and the list of deps goes on and on. > I thought that Fedora extras handled thes deps, but adding the urls to yum > for the fedora extras hasn't solved it. Yum says gtkmm doesn't exist. I'm not > knocking anything. I'd just like to get sineshaper working, as it sounds like > a good synth. I tried on debian testing. All I had to do was install libglademm-2.4-dev whcih pulld in some dependancies. Unfortunately debian doesn't have a package for DSSI so I stopped there. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "And this is one of the central problems with Islam. It's a religion with something for everyone. If you wake up one morning in a good mood you can find all sorts of stuff that are peaceable, loving, kind. On the other hand, if you wake up in a foul temper then there's plenty of hateful stuff to help you vent your spleen. In reality, if you believe the Koran is the word of god then you have to take both on board. You can't pick and choose." -- http://garymonro.blogsome.com/2005/08/11/ From ce at christeck.de Sat Nov 5 17:39:28 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Nov 5 17:39:28 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <200511052339.28899.ce@christeck.de> > Hi. Has anyone got sineshaper installed on FC3? I'm having the most > terrible dependency problems. gtkmm, then glibmm, and the list of > deps goes on and on. I thought that Fedora extras handled thes deps, > but adding the urls to yum for the fedora extras hasn't solved it. > Yum says gtkmm doesn't exist. I'm not knocking anything. I'd just > like to get sineshaper working, as it sounds like a good synth. Any > tips, hints. Nigel. I just upgraded libgtkmm to the current version on Gentoo and I was done. Best regards ce From jasonjgw at pacific.net.au Sat Nov 5 18:38:32 2005 From: jasonjgw at pacific.net.au (Jason White) Date: Sat Nov 5 18:38:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] software that can rip indices? In-Reply-To: <20051104184452.61692.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200511041811.17975.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20051104184452.61692.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051105233832.GA4520@jdc> On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 10:44:52AM -0800, doublehelixer@yahoo.com wrote: > I'm looking at encoding over 6000 individual sounds, > so I'm really hoping for a linux util that will be > easily scriptable. Following up on the suggestion I made in an earlier post, from the cdda2wav manual page it appears there are two options: one to start extracting from a specified index and another to list all the indices on the CD. I haven't looked at all the cdda2wav options in detail, but you may need to use the listing to obtain offsets into the track and write a script to read the data between consecutive indices based on these values. From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Sat Nov 5 19:26:30 2005 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Sat Nov 5 19:25:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <20051106092806.0fcd699d.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20051106092806.0fcd699d.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <1131236791.8290.2.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 09:28 +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > > > Hi. Has anyone got sineshaper installed on FC3? I'm having the most terrible > > dependency problems. gtkmm, then glibmm, and the list of deps goes on and on. > > I thought that Fedora extras handled thes deps, but adding the urls to yum > > for the fedora extras hasn't solved it. Yum says gtkmm doesn't exist. I'm not > > knocking anything. I'd just like to get sineshaper working, as it sounds like > > a good synth. > > I tried on debian testing. All I had to do was install libglademm-2.4-dev > whcih pulld in some dependancies. Unfortunately debian doesn't have a > package for DSSI so I stopped there. There are unofficial Debian packages for the DSSI development kit and utilities as well as some plugins (including Sineshaper) here: http://willem.engen.nl/debian/ -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Lee From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Sat Nov 5 20:33:25 2005 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Sat Nov 5 20:36:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <1131240805.2986.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-05-11 at 22:48 +0000, Nigel Henry wrote: > Hi. Has anyone got sineshaper installed on FC3? I'm having the most terrible > dependency problems. gtkmm, then glibmm, and the list of deps goes on and on. > I thought that Fedora extras handled thes deps, but adding the urls to yum > for the fedora extras hasn't solved it. Yum says gtkmm doesn't exist. I'm not > knocking anything. I'd just like to get sineshaper working, as it sounds like > a good synth. Any tips, hints. Nigel. Fedora is the thing that's terrible, not Sineshaper. I've had people with these problems numerous times with Om as well (which also depends on Gtkmm), exclusively with Fedora. I can't possibly understand how Fedora doesn't have the very widely used official C++ bindings to GTK. How many packages do they have? 12? Try switching to a distribution that actually ..distributes.. things people need. -DR- From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Sat Nov 5 20:35:17 2005 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Sat Nov 5 20:37:50 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <20051106092806.0fcd699d.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20051106092806.0fcd699d.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <1131240917.2986.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-06-11 at 09:28 +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > > > Hi. Has anyone got sineshaper installed on FC3? I'm having the most terrible > > dependency problems. gtkmm, then glibmm, and the list of deps goes on and on. > > I thought that Fedora extras handled thes deps, but adding the urls to yum > > for the fedora extras hasn't solved it. Yum says gtkmm doesn't exist. I'm not > > knocking anything. I'd just like to get sineshaper working, as it sounds like > > a good synth. > > I tried on debian testing. All I had to do was install libglademm-2.4-dev > whcih pulld in some dependancies. Unfortunately debian doesn't have a > package for DSSI so I stopped there. DSSI is not properly autotoolized, so it shouldn't be the nightmare to package it was before. Anyone care to hassle a Debian person? :) -DR- From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Sat Nov 5 21:37:38 2005 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Sat Nov 5 21:37:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <1131240917.2986.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20051106092806.0fcd699d.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <1131240917.2986.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20051106133738.7ed216f3.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Dave Robillard wrote: > DSSI is not properly autotoolized, so it shouldn't be the nightmare to > package it was before. Whats stopping it from being autotoolized? Anything in particular? Or are you saying it was a nightmare to package *because* of autotools? > Anyone care to hassle a Debian person? :) I'm not a debian dev but I know people who are. I am however pretty fluent in the autotools foo. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "Capitalism is an art form, an Apollonian fabrication to rival nature. It is hypocritical for feminists and intellectuals to enjoy the pleasures and conveniences of capitalism while sneering at it. Everyone born into capitalism has incurred a debt to it. Give Caesar his due." -- Camille Paglia From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Sat Nov 5 22:35:12 2005 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Sat Nov 5 22:35:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <1131248112.29726.14.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 22:48 +0000, Nigel Henry wrote: > Hi. Has anyone got sineshaper installed on FC3? I'm having the most terrible > dependency problems. gtkmm, then glibmm, and the list of deps goes on and on. > I thought that Fedora extras handled thes deps, but adding the urls to yum > for the fedora extras hasn't solved it. Yum says gtkmm doesn't exist. The proper package to install from Fedora Extras would be: yum install libglademm24-devel That will pull in all the proper dependencies... But that will not be enough, see below. > I'm not > knocking anything. I'd just like to get sineshaper working, as it sounds like > a good synth. Any tips, hints. Nigel. In FC3 the gtk2 packages in the core distribution are not new enough to support the required version of libglademm and friends (2.4.x vs. 2.6.x). So, there are packages for all the required stuff in Fedora Extras but the versions are not new enough[*] for fc3. It looks like fc4 has newer stuff that would work (I have not tried)... Upgrading gtk2 in fc3 would not be impossible (so that all other packages can go up in version), but such a central package usually has a lot of dependencies (ie: other packages that depend on it) that are sometimes broken by new versions - so then you need to upgrade the dependencies and so on and so forth. When I have tried to do this in the past it has not been worth the effort. -- Fernando [*] or, for proper Fedora bashing, they are, perhaps, "terribly antiquated" or "older than dirt"? :-) ;-) :-) From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Sat Nov 5 22:46:20 2005 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Sat Nov 5 22:46:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <1131240805.2986.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1131240805.2986.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1131248780.29726.26.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 12:33 +1100, Dave Robillard wrote: > On Sat, 2005-05-11 at 22:48 +0000, Nigel Henry wrote: > > Hi. Has anyone got sineshaper installed on FC3? I'm having the most terrible > > dependency problems. gtkmm, then glibmm, and the list of deps goes on and on. > > I thought that Fedora extras handled thes deps, but adding the urls to yum > > for the fedora extras hasn't solved it. Yum says gtkmm doesn't exist. I'm not > > knocking anything. I'd just like to get sineshaper working, as it sounds like > > a good synth. Any tips, hints. Nigel. > > Fedora is the thing that's terrible, not Sineshaper. > > I've had people with these problems numerous times with Om as well > (which also depends on Gtkmm), exclusively with Fedora. I can't > possibly understand how Fedora doesn't have the very widely used > official C++ bindings to GTK. How many packages do they have? 12? Fedora Core 3: 1653 Fedora extras 3: 1703 (unofficial count :-) Fedora Core + Extras has the required software, but the versions available on fc3 are not new enough for sineshaper (2.4.x vs. 2.6.x). Fc4 has newer versions, but I have not yet tried to build sineshaper or om on it. I presume they will build if the right packages are installed. > Try switching to a distribution that actually ..distributes.. > things people need. Or a newer version of Fedora Core. I've had this problem many times over the years while building packages for Planet CCRMA. Some programs require the latest version of core libraries, and those requirements are sometimes not fullfilled on old versions of distributions (my experience is with Redhat/Fedora Core). Some programs don't use the latest APIs and build everywhere. It is up to the developer to choose, some prefer the latest and greatest (and their packages will not build on older distros), some are more conservative in their choices and their packages build on older versions of a given distro. -- Fernando From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Sun Nov 6 03:48:46 2005 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Sun Nov 6 03:51:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <20051106133738.7ed216f3.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20051106092806.0fcd699d.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <1131240917.2986.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20051106133738.7ed216f3.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <1131266926.15581.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-06-11 at 13:37 +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > Dave Robillard wrote: > > > DSSI is not properly autotoolized, so it shouldn't be the nightmare to > > package it was before. > > Whats stopping it from being autotoolized? Anything in particular? > Or are you saying it was a nightmare to package *because* of autotools? Whoops. Make that "DSSI is noW properly autotoolized". Only 3 keys apart... -DR- From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Sun Nov 6 03:56:53 2005 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Sun Nov 6 03:59:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <1131248780.29726.26.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1131240805.2986.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1131248780.29726.26.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1131267413.15581.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-05-11 at 19:46 -0800, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > I've had people with these problems numerous times with Om as well > > (which also depends on Gtkmm), exclusively with Fedora. I can't > > possibly understand how Fedora doesn't have the very widely used > > official C++ bindings to GTK. How many packages do they have? 12? > > Fedora Core 3: 1653 > Fedora extras 3: 1703 > (unofficial count :-) $ apt-cache search . | sed 's/ - .*//' | sort | uniq | wc -l 17251 Therefore Debian is roughly 10 times as awesome as Fedora. QED. :) -DR- From julien at c-lab.de Sun Nov 6 05:00:03 2005 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun Nov 6 04:14:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] acoustic room modelling Message-ID: Hi all! I'm looking for a room modelling software, that can be language/script driven or in some other way that doesn't require a GUI. It may have a GUI as long as I can avoid it in some way. Does anyone know of such a software-package? Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From bungee at erodin.demon.co.uk Sun Nov 6 05:51:44 2005 From: bungee at erodin.demon.co.uk (Bungee) Date: Sun Nov 6 05:52:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] SysEx dumps - warning newbie alert :) Message-ID: Hi all, my first posting here! Can anyone suggest a program for doing the 'all voice & multi' dumps on my Yamaha SY35 and TG33. I tried sysexxer (0.7) but though it seems to handle individual voices ok, it bombs on the bigger dumps. There doesn't seem to be amy development happening on it either :( -- Bungee From ce at christeck.de Sun Nov 6 06:17:50 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Nov 6 06:17:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] SysEx dumps - warning newbie alert :) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200511061217.50422.ce@christeck.de> > Can anyone suggest a program for doing the 'all voice & multi' dumps > on my Yamaha SY35 and TG33. I tried sysexxer (0.7) but though it > seems to handle individual voices ok, it bombs on the bigger dumps. > There doesn't seem to be amy development happening on it either :( did you contact the authors? I guess no because otherwise I knew about it ;-) . Anyway, sysexxer should work OK, but if you want to have real ALSA support then use the CVS version. Furthermore, if you're using an USB MIDI device, please ensure that you have *disabled* the audio and MIDI drivers in the USB driver section of your kernel. Both are OSS drivers which conflict with the snd_usb_audio driver in the sound section of your kernel config. I once had lots of problems, some sysex packages lost the first three bytes. Is it possible that you send me the sysex packages causing problems via email? Best regards ce From fritz at fritzmetal.de Sun Nov 6 06:35:18 2005 From: fritz at fritzmetal.de (fritz@fritzmetal.de) Date: Sun Nov 6 06:35:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello! Prob with musix and Gina24 In-Reply-To: <200511051258.51379.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <436A7171.8030907@fritzmetal.de> <200511051258.51379.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <436DEA76.8080605@fritzmetal.de> Thanx Tim, I was at these sites. But I don't understand what to do. Isn't there a more "user" oriented info available anywhere? I don't want to become a Linux super freak only to get my sound card going. There is this ALSA config tool. It just doesn't recognize my card. Is there an easy way to feed this config tool with the needed info? Thanx a lot, FRitz tim hall wrote: > On Thursday 03 November 2005 20:22, fritz@fritzmetal.de was like: > >>I'm an absolute newbie to Linux. I installed the latest "musix" distro >>in the Knoppix mode and I've got a Gina24 that is not recognized by the >>alsaconfig tool. What do I have to do to get it running? > > > http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Echo+Digital+Audio+Corporation&card=Gina24.&chip=Motorola+56301+or+56361%2C+FPGA&module=gina24 > > more useful info here: > http://alsa.opensrc.org/ From bungee at erodin.demon.co.uk Sun Nov 6 07:00:25 2005 From: bungee at erodin.demon.co.uk (Bungee) Date: Sun Nov 6 07:00:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] SysEx dumps - warning newbie alert :) In-Reply-To: <200511061217.50422.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511061217.50422.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: Christoph Eckert wrote: > > > Can anyone suggest a program for doing the 'all voice & multi' dumps > > on my Yamaha SY35 and TG33. I tried sysexxer (0.7) but though it > > seems to handle individual voices ok, it bombs on the bigger dumps. > > There doesn't seem to be amy development happening on it either :( > > did you contact the authors? I guess no because otherwise I knew about > it ;-) . I reported it on the sourceforge bug tracker 2-3 weeks ago. > Anyway, sysexxer should work OK, but if you want to have real ALSA > support then use the CVS version. I'll have a look at this but so far I've not had much sucess using CVS with any package :( > Furthermore, if you're using an USB MIDI device, please ensure that you > have *disabled* the audio and MIDI drivers in the USB driver section of > your kernel. Both are OSS drivers which conflict with the snd_usb_audio > driver in the sound section of your kernel config. I don't know how to do this. I'm using Mandrake 10.1 as my distro and the M-Audio midisport 2x2. This all seems to work fine with Rosegarden (using both ports too). > I once had lots of problems, some sysex packages lost the first three > bytes. > > Is it possible that you send me the sysex packages causing problems via > email? Unfortunately that's not possible. It's crashing as I send the dump *to* Sysexxer. It seems to occur as the dump nears completion. I tried increasing the buffer size but that made no difference. > Best regards > > > ce Just got your e-mails. I will follow up on them later... I have a *big* download in progress on DialUp and don't want to risk upsetting it! -- Bungee From ce at christeck.de Sun Nov 6 07:21:30 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Nov 6 07:21:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] SysEx dumps - warning newbie alert :) In-Reply-To: References: <200511061217.50422.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200511061321.30453.ce@christeck.de> Hi, > I reported it on the sourceforge bug tracker 2-3 weeks ago. uhm, OK. MAybe I should close the bugtracker to get personal mails :) . > > Anyway, sysexxer should work OK, but if you want to have real ALSA > > support then use the CVS version. > > I'll have a look at this but so far I've not had much sucess using > CVS with any package :( Try: Press Alt - F2 konsole cd ./Desktop cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/sysexxer co sysexxer cd sysexxer make -f Makefile.cvs ./configure make ./sysexxer > > Furthermore, if you're using an USB MIDI device, please ensure that > > you have *disabled* the audio and MIDI drivers in the USB driver > > section of your kernel. Both are OSS drivers which conflict with > > the snd_usb_audio driver in the sound section of your kernel > > config. > > I don't know how to do this. I'm using Mandrake 10.1 as my distro and > the M-Audio midisport 2x2. This all seems to work fine with > Rosegarden (using both ports too). I'd be interested if both modules exist on Mandriva; if so it's likely that both get loaded as soon the Midisport gets plugged in and both modules will fight for the device. Normal events will work then, but sysex is problematic. BTW: I'm also using a Midisport (the 8x8) and sysexxer works well with all of my 8 completely different devices. > > I once had lots of problems, some sysex packages lost the first > > three bytes. > > > > Is it possible that you send me the sysex packages causing problems > > via email? > > Unfortunately that's not possible. It's crashing as I send the dump > *to* Sysexxer. It seems to occur as the dump nears completion. I > tried increasing the buffer size but that made no difference. Not necessary. Memory will be increased dynamically AFAIK. If nothing works use amidi. It's a command line tool to exchange sysex. > Just got your e-mails. I will follow up on them later... I have a > *big* download in progress on DialUp and don't want to risk > upsetting it! OK, thanks for the feedback. Best regards ce From anders.vinjar at notam02.no Sun Nov 6 10:16:05 2005 From: anders.vinjar at notam02.no (anders.vinjar@notam02.no) Date: Sun Nov 6 10:16:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] acoustic room modelling In-Reply-To: (Julien Claassen's message of "Sun, 6 Nov 2005 11:00:03 +0100 (CET)") References: Message-ID: clm - http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/clm/ - includes some tools which might suite you, especially dlocsig and roomsig.ins. Heres a webpage used for a course in spatialization at CCRMA which links to both tools and theory: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/courses/220b/topics/spatialization/ If youre using any recent version of clm (clm-3), youll need a recent version of the dlocsig generator as well: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/courses/220b/topics/spatialization/examples/dlocsig.lisp >>> "J" == Julien Claassen writes: J> J> Hi all! J> I'm looking for a room modelling software, that can be language/script J> driven or in some other way that doesn't require a GUI. It may have a GUI as J> long as I can avoid it in some way. Does anyone know of such a J> software-package? J> Kindest regards J> Julien J> J> -------- J> Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) J> J> ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== J> http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From julien at c-lab.de Sun Nov 6 12:43:22 2005 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun Nov 6 11:57:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] acoustic room modelling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi! Can I also perform some advanced room-modelling with csound? Does anyone know? How far do the possibilities of clm take me in this realm? Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From bungee at erodin.demon.co.uk Sun Nov 6 16:16:20 2005 From: bungee at erodin.demon.co.uk (Bungee) Date: Sun Nov 6 16:16:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Demudi Message-ID: It's taken TWO DAYS to dowload the iso image (33k DialUp). Amazingly my connection held for all that time. I'll try it out tomorrow on a spare HD ... It'd better be good! -- Bungee From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Sun Nov 6 16:50:46 2005 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Sun Nov 6 16:51:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Demudi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051107085046.43f2a20d.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Bungee wrote: > It's taken TWO DAYS to dowload the iso image (33k DialUp). Amazingly my > connection held for all that time. I'll try it out tomorrow on a spare HD > > ... It'd better be good! Don't worry, if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces :-). Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "Why do they protest against France for making it illegal to wear hijabs, but not against Saudi Arabia for making it illegal not to wear them?" -- Irshad Manji http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-1696968,00.html From ce at christeck.de Sun Nov 6 17:20:25 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Nov 6 17:20:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Demudi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200511062320.25396.ce@christeck.de> > It's taken TWO DAYS to dowload the iso image (33k DialUp). Amazingly > my connection held for all that time. wget -c is your friend. Best regards ce From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Sun Nov 6 19:50:03 2005 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Sun Nov 6 19:50:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <1131267413.15581.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1131240805.2986.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1131248780.29726.26.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1131267413.15581.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1131324603.4627.16.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 19:56 +1100, Dave Robillard wrote: > On Sat, 2005-05-11 at 19:46 -0800, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > > I've had people with these problems numerous times with Om as well > > > (which also depends on Gtkmm), exclusively with Fedora. I can't > > > possibly understand how Fedora doesn't have the very widely used > > > official C++ bindings to GTK. How many packages do they have? 12? > > > > Fedora Core 3: 1653 > > Fedora extras 3: 1703 > > (unofficial count :-) > > $ apt-cache search . | sed 's/ - .*//' | sort | uniq | wc -l > 17251 > > Therefore Debian is roughly 10 times as awesome as Fedora. > > QED. :) I am convinced. Bigger is better. I would have been very dissapointed if nobody would have posted bigger package counts from Debian :-) -- Fernando From ix at replic.net Sun Nov 6 20:22:00 2005 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Sun Nov 6 20:19:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <1131324603.4627.16.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1131240805.2986.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1131248780.29726.26.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1131267413.15581.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1131324603.4627.16.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20051107012200.GA4741@replic.net> On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 04:50:03PM -0800, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 19:56 +1100, Dave Robillard wrote: > > On Sat, 2005-05-11 at 19:46 -0800, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > > > I've had people with these problems numerous times with Om as well > > > > (which also depends on Gtkmm), exclusively with Fedora. I can't > > > > possibly understand how Fedora doesn't have the very widely used > > > > official C++ bindings to GTK. How many packages do they have? 12? > > > > > > Fedora Core 3: 1653 > > > Fedora extras 3: 1703 > > > (unofficial count :-) > > > > $ apt-cache search . | sed 's/ - .*//' | sort | uniq | wc -l > > 17251 find /usr/portage | grep Manifest | wc -l 10261 is it some kind of issue for Fedora to have multiple versions installed? gtkmm-2.2.12 (and 2.8.1) are installed here, but it seems the only one that needs 2.2.12 is media-sound/seq24-0.7.0, tisk-tisk... > > > > Therefore Debian is roughly 10 times as awesome as Fedora. but it could definitely use the fedora to cover its balding head :) > > > > QED. :) > > I am convinced. Bigger is better. > > I would have been very dissapointed if nobody would have posted bigger > package counts from Debian :-) > > -- Fernando > From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Sun Nov 6 20:38:34 2005 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Sun Nov 6 20:38:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <20051107012200.GA4741@replic.net> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1131240805.2986.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1131248780.29726.26.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1131267413.15581.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1131324603.4627.16.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20051107012200.GA4741@replic.net> Message-ID: <1131327514.4627.22.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 01:22 +0000, carmen wrote: > On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 04:50:03PM -0800, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 19:56 +1100, Dave Robillard wrote: > > > On Sat, 2005-05-11 at 19:46 -0800, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > > > > I've had people with these problems numerous times with Om as well > > > > > (which also depends on Gtkmm), exclusively with Fedora. I can't > > > > > possibly understand how Fedora doesn't have the very widely used > > > > > official C++ bindings to GTK. > > is it some kind of issue for Fedora to have multiple versions installed? > gtkmm-2.2.12 (and 2.8.1) are installed here, but it seems the only one > that needs 2.2.12 is media-sound/seq24-0.7.0, tisk-tisk... No, I don't think there are issues with multiple versions coexisting simultaneously (given properly designed packages). I don't know if gtk2 would be a problem, most probably a package could be built for fc3 with a newer version of gtk2, thus allowing newer versions of the chain of dependencies to be installed, all the way to libglademm. What I don't know is if it would be worth the effort given that fc4 appears to have the proper versions. I'll cross that bridge when I get time to build those packages for Planet CCRMA... -- Fernando From alewis at systemsfusion.com Mon Nov 7 03:51:00 2005 From: alewis at systemsfusion.com (Andrew Lewis) Date: Mon Nov 7 03:52:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] acoustic room modelling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <436F1574.1060001@systemsfusion.com> Julien Claassen wrote: > Can I also perform some advanced room-modelling with csound? Yes you can... Perhaps this will be of interest to you: http://www.sonicarchitecture.de/en/index_practice.html -AL. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Mon Nov 7 04:33:49 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Mon Nov 7 04:33:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello! Prob with musix and Gina24 In-Reply-To: <436DEA76.8080605@fritzmetal.de> References: <436A7171.8030907@fritzmetal.de> <200511051258.51379.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <436DEA76.8080605@fritzmetal.de> Message-ID: <200511070933.49915.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Sunday 06 November 2005 11:35, fritz@fritzmetal.de was like: > I was at these sites. But I don't understand what to do. Isn't there a > more "user" oriented info available anywhere? I don't want to become a > Linux super freak only to get my sound card going. > There is this ALSA config tool. It just doesn't recognize my card. Is > there an easy way to feed this config tool with the needed info? That _is_ the user oriented info. I get the impression that some of the Echo corp cards are a bit fiddly to get working. I'm afraid you have no alternative but to get your hands (perhaps that should be mind?) dirty. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Mon Nov 7 04:36:52 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Mon Nov 7 04:36:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cannot write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor) In-Reply-To: <436CB9BC.9030400@gmail.com> References: <436B4080.3040000@gmail.com> <200511051116.30557.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <436CB9BC.9030400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511070936.52861.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 05 November 2005 13:55, Carlos Pino was like: > >This isn't an error message. > > ? > > ?Of course. Duh, sorry, I really should read the subject line sometimes. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From shakti at bayarea.net Mon Nov 7 05:08:07 2005 From: shakti at bayarea.net (Tracey Hytry) Date: Mon Nov 7 05:08:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <1131327514.4627.22.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1131240805.2986.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1131248780.29726.26.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1131267413.15581.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1131324603.4627.16.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20051107012200.GA4741@replic.net> <1131327514.4627.22.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20051107020807.7fc8a840.shakti@bayarea.net> Fernando says: > No, I don't think there are issues with multiple versions coexisting > simultaneously (given properly designed packages). I don't know if gtk2 > would be a problem, most probably a package could be built for fc3 with > a newer version of gtk2, thus allowing newer versions of the chain of > dependencies to be installed, all the way to libglademm. I've been down this path myself trying to get this to work, and realized that maybe it's just best for me to pass on trying out these couple of new audio apps. Like most things I feel that this will be worked out somewhere down the road. > What I don't know is if it would be worth the effort given that fc4 > appears to have the proper versions. I'll cross that bridge when I get > time to build those packages for Planet CCRMA... And when you get that done there will be a whole bunch of new programs based on the lastest and greatest libraries that won't be able to be compiled on FC4? This has been happening for years, just a fact of life in the linux lane(which I prefer over the "it just works, trust us" software lines). Anyway, I hope you can work this out. But I sure wouldn't lose any sleep over it if I had to deal with it. Tracey. From jody.noury at linucie.net Mon Nov 7 08:05:27 2005 From: jody.noury at linucie.net (Jody) Date: Mon Nov 7 08:05:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Boot Demudi Live from hd Message-ID: <436F5117.4010008@linucie.net> Hi, I'm testing Demudi Live v 1.2.1, hope the response is not hidden by my nose, I'd like to run the live-system from hard drive instead of runing from CD-Rom. I use parameter fromhd=/dev/my_partition or bootfrom=my_iso_image.iso with KNOPPIX to speed up access, is there a similar cheatcode for this Demudi Live version ? With many thanks, Jody From toka at freebits.de Mon Nov 7 08:05:47 2005 From: toka at freebits.de (Marcel Karras) Date: Mon Nov 7 08:06:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour mixer plugins In-Reply-To: <436BA733.4040503@curates-egg.org> References: <20051104165437.324f4863.toka@freebits.de> <436BA733.4040503@curates-egg.org> Message-ID: <20051107140547.5d94ff75.toka@freebits.de> Hello, On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:23:47 +0000 Rob Fell wrote: > Marcel Karras wrote: > > Hello, > > Hi > > > 2. Can anyone of you suggest a good rock guitar plugin setting? I'm > > currently using "freeverb"+"foldover distortion" - the result is okay, > > but somehow not enough. > > I use an external LADSPA host (jack-rack or AMS) loaded with a chain > consisting of; > > Phaser (http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#Phaser) > 10 band graphic EQ (http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#Eq) > mono amplifier (SWH plugins) > valve preamp simulation (http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#PreampIII) > 10 band graphic EQ (http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#Eq) > mono amplifier (SWH plugins) Thank you for your suggestions. Can you send me your jack-rack settings file? I've tried settings for two days now and can't get a good speaker emulation. It all sounds quite spongy. > I haven't yet found a satisfactory speaker-emulation so I run the > processed signal through my guitar amp's power amp and mic it up. Do you have a sample or something? I'm sort of over-flooded with all the different setups that I can't get the point where to look at next. Greetings - Marcel Karras -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Contact: toka@freebits.de karma@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.freebits.de http://www.tu-chemnitz.de Unix, Linux && OpenSource Student of Chemnitz University of Technology ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From pinojazz at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 09:47:13 2005 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Mon Nov 7 09:47:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Boot Demudi Live from hd In-Reply-To: <436F5117.4010008@linucie.net> References: <436F5117.4010008@linucie.net> Message-ID: <436F68F1.6000701@gmail.com> Jody escribi?: > Hi, > > I'm testing Demudi Live v 1.2.1, hope the response is not hidden by my > nose, I'd like to run the live-system from hard drive instead of > runing from CD-Rom. > > I use parameter fromhd=/dev/my_partition or bootfrom=my_iso_image.iso > with KNOPPIX to speed up access, is there a similar cheatcode for this > Demudi Live version ? > > > With many thanks, > > > Jody > Hi,Demudi Live is only for testing and have some preview of what you get when installing demudi but no recommended for installing on hd (I don't know if that could be done).You must download the install iso here http://demudi.agnula.org/images/1.2.1/demudi-install_1.2.1_i386.iso and install from this. Cheers Saludos -- Carlos. From fritz at fritzmetal.de Mon Nov 7 09:57:24 2005 From: fritz at fritzmetal.de (fritz@fritzmetal.de) Date: Mon Nov 7 09:57:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello! Prob with musix and Gina24 In-Reply-To: <200511070933.49915.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <436A7171.8030907@fritzmetal.de> <200511051258.51379.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <436DEA76.8080605@fritzmetal.de> <200511070933.49915.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <436F6B54.7030702@fritzmetal.de> Thanx Tim, I will dive some more hours into Linux innards. Best wishes, FRitz tim hall wrote: > On Sunday 06 November 2005 11:35, fritz@fritzmetal.de was like: > >>I was at these sites. But I don't understand what to do. Isn't there a >>more "user" oriented info available anywhere? I don't want to become a >>Linux super freak only to get my sound card going. >>There is this ALSA config tool. It just doesn't recognize my card. Is >>there an easy way to feed this config tool with the needed info? > > > That _is_ the user oriented info. I get the impression that some of the Echo > corp cards are a bit fiddly to get working. I'm afraid you have no > alternative but to get your hands (perhaps that should be mind?) dirty. From jody.noury at linucie.net Mon Nov 7 10:48:22 2005 From: jody.noury at linucie.net (Jody) Date: Mon Nov 7 10:48:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Boot Demudi Live from hd In-Reply-To: <436F68F1.6000701@gmail.com> References: <436F5117.4010008@linucie.net> <436F68F1.6000701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <436F7746.2010201@linucie.net> Hi, Carlos Pino wrote: [...] > Hi,Demudi Live is only for testing and have some preview of what you > get when installing demudi but no recommended for installing on hd (I > don't know if that could be done). I didn't wanted to install Demudi live but wanted to start it from Hard disk :) I've just discovered that It was Ubuntu Live, I was thinking it was a Morphix based but it seems to use directly debian-installer ^^ In fact Knoppix allow you to boot from an image (cloop or cloop inside iso image) stored on hard drive or flash key with a boot parameter (cheatcodes), then system only losts time to decompress files. > You must download the install iso here > > http://demudi.agnula.org/images/1.2.1/demudi-install_1.2.1_i386.iso > > and install from this. > Live systems allow to show easily a piece of what GNU/Linux knows, you are right I have to make one a musician to be able to make one a live :D Thanks, Jody From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Mon Nov 7 13:01:41 2005 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Mon Nov 7 13:01:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <20051107020807.7fc8a840.shakti@bayarea.net> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1131240805.2986.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1131248780.29726.26.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1131267413.15581.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1131324603.4627.16.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20051107012200.GA4741@replic.net> <1131327514.4627.22.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20051107020807.7fc8a840.shakti@bayarea.net> Message-ID: <1131386501.19377.26.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 02:08 -0800, Tracey Hytry wrote: > Fernando says: > > What I don't know is if it would be worth the effort given that fc4 > > appears to have the proper versions. I'll cross that bridge when I get > > time to build those packages for Planet CCRMA... > > And when you get that done there will be a whole bunch of new programs > based on the lastest and greatest libraries that won't be able to be > compiled on FC4? Of course! Such is life... > This has been happening for years, just a fact of > life in the linux lane(which I prefer over the "it just works, trust > us" software lines). I have had this problem with qt before (ie: developers wanting the latest version for the app to build - I had to build newer versions of qt to support newer apps) but I don't think I had hit it with gtk2. I'm pretty sure there must be some very convenient api feature in the new version of gtk2, but I still would urge developers to stay one or two major versions back in their requirements, so that their software is easier to build on older versions of distros. -- Fernando From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Nov 7 14:10:12 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Nov 7 14:12:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello! Prob with musix and Gina24 In-Reply-To: <436F6B54.7030702@fritzmetal.de> References: <436A7171.8030907@fritzmetal.de> <200511051258.51379.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <436DEA76.8080605@fritzmetal.de> <200511070933.49915.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <436F6B54.7030702@fritzmetal.de> Message-ID: <1131390613.8383.86.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 15:57 +0100, fritz@fritzmetal.de wrote: Try "modprobe snd-gina24" as root, then run "alsamixer". Lee From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Mon Nov 7 15:45:02 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Mon Nov 7 19:41:23 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello! Prob with musix and Gina24 In-Reply-To: <1131390613.8383.86.camel@mindpipe> References: <436A7171.8030907@fritzmetal.de> <436F6B54.7030702@fritzmetal.de> <1131390613.8383.86.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200511072145.02283.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> On Monday 07 November 2005 20:10, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 15:57 +0100, fritz@fritzmetal.de wrote: > > Try "modprobe snd-gina24" as root, then run "alsamixer". > > Lee That's right: Musix has kernel2.6.13 from DeMuDi, so /lib/modules/2.6.13-1-multimedia-386/updates/alsa/pci/echoaudio/snd-gina20.ko /lib/modules/2.6.13-1-multimedia-386/updates/alsa/pci/echoaudio/snd-gina24.ko -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) fecha: lun nov 7 19:25:01 CET 2005 ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Mon Nov 7 16:28:25 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Mon Nov 7 20:26:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello! Prob with musix and Gina24 In-Reply-To: <200511072145.02283.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> References: <436A7171.8030907@fritzmetal.de> <1131390613.8383.86.camel@mindpipe> <200511072145.02283.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <200511072228.25407.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> On Monday 07 November 2005 21:45, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > On Monday 07 November 2005 20:10, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 15:57 +0100, fritz@fritzmetal.de wrote: > > > > Try "modprobe snd-gina24" as root, then run "alsamixer". > > > > Lee > > That's right: Musix has kernel2.6.13 from DeMuDi, so I forgot to say that the kernel 2.6.13 works only if the Musix OS is installed on HD. Musix's mailing list: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/musix-users > /lib/modules/2.6.13-1-multimedia-386/updates/alsa/pci/echoaudio/snd-gina20. >ko > /lib/modules/2.6.13-1-multimedia-386/updates/alsa/pci/echoaudio/snd-gina24. >ko -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) fecha: lun nov 7 19:25:01 CET 2005 ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From lukas.zapletal at linuxexpres.cz Tue Nov 8 05:13:01 2005 From: lukas.zapletal at linuxexpres.cz (Lukas Zapletal) Date: Tue Nov 8 05:13:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AUDIOTRAK MAYA44 USB - cont. Message-ID: <20051108111301.02764225.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> Hello all, I am doing some testing with this card. Thanks for all suggestions but I have no luck yet. # lsof /dev/audio // nothing # aplay -D plughw:1 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono // hangs here, the syslog: Nov 8 11:04:45 teepee cannot submit datapipe for urb 2, err = -28 // same with -N and --rate switches # aplay -D plughw:1 /home/lzap/.openoffice/user/gallery/gunshot.wav Playing WAVE '/home/lzap/.openoffice/user/gallery/gunshot.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 11025 Hz, Mono // this wont hang, but there is no sound in the output and I find this in the syslog: Nov 8 11:04:45 teepee cannot submit datapipe for urb 2, err = -28 Nov 8 11:04:45 teepee cannot submit datapipe for urb 0, err = -22 Still cannot get this working. This is sad, because this piece of hardware has unstable drivers for Windows (by usb-audio.de). I thought I will use it under Linux... -- S pozdravem / Best regards Lukas Zapletal sefredaktor / Editor-In-Chief LinuxEXPRES - opravdovy linuxovy magazin www.LinuxEXPRES.cz tel.: +420 777 003 843 From fbar at footils.org Tue Nov 8 06:03:59 2005 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Nov 8 06:08:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AUDIOTRAK MAYA44 USB - cont. In-Reply-To: <20051108111301.02764225.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> References: <20051108111301.02764225.lukas.zapletal@linuxexpres.cz> Message-ID: <20051108110359.GE7960@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Lukas Zapletal hat gesagt: // Lukas Zapletal wrote: > I am doing some testing with this card. Thanks for all suggestions but > I have no luck yet. > > # lsof /dev/audio > // nothing > > # aplay -D plughw:1 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav > Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav' : Signed 16 bit > Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono > > // hangs here, the syslog: > > Nov 8 11:04:45 teepee cannot submit datapipe for urb 2, err = -28 Okay, this is a funky error, which has showed up in the past. See for example this linux-audio-user mail: http://elists.resynthesize.com/linux-audio-users/2005/07/1510930/ The solution then was, to recompile the kernel without CONFIG_USB_BANDWIDTH set. You can normally check, if you kernel has this enabled by looking in /boot/config-* Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From carotinobg at yahoo.it Tue Nov 8 10:24:42 2005 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Tue Nov 8 10:24:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Spectrum analyzer In-Reply-To: <1131390613.8383.86.camel@mindpipe> References: <436A7171.8030907@fritzmetal.de> <436F6B54.7030702@fritzmetal.de> <1131390613.8383.86.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200511081624.43066.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! I'm in need of a (graphic) spectrum analyzer, possibly jack-ready. Do you know if there's one? Thanks:) Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From a at gaydenko.com Tue Nov 8 10:41:10 2005 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Tue Nov 8 10:40:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Spectrum analyzer In-Reply-To: <200511081624.43066.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <436A7171.8030907@fritzmetal.de> <1131390613.8383.86.camel@mindpipe> <200511081624.43066.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200511081841.10838@goldspace.net> jaaa: http://users.skynet.be/solaris/linuxaudio/ ======= On Tuesday 08 November 2005 18:24, Carotinho wrote: ======= Hi! I'm in need of a (graphic) spectrum analyzer, possibly jack-ready. Do you know if there's one? Thanks:) Carotinho From pcoccoli at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 11:48:09 2005 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Tue Nov 8 11:48:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Spectrum analyzer In-Reply-To: <200511081841.10838@goldspace.net> References: <436A7171.8030907@fritzmetal.de> <1131390613.8383.86.camel@mindpipe> <200511081624.43066.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <200511081841.10838@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <8d27a0610511080848p6c765bd5v6b5cdf21c97704e@mail.gmail.com> On 11/8/05, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: > jaaa: > > http://users.skynet.be/solaris/linuxaudio/ > > ======= On Tuesday 08 November 2005 18:24, Carotinho wrote: ======= > Hi! > > I'm in need of a (graphic) spectrum analyzer, possibly jack-ready. Do you know > if there's one? > > Thanks:) > > Carotinho > japa (from the same page) looks more interesting to me, since jaaa had a linear frequency scale. From holborn at telefonica.net Tue Nov 8 11:31:32 2005 From: holborn at telefonica.net (holborn) Date: Tue Nov 8 11:49:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gmorgan-0.25 released Message-ID: <200511081631.34001.holborn@telefonica.net> Hi I released gmorgan-0.25 Changes in v0.25 ------------------------- Debian package Updated autotools scripts Improved Midi File to pattern Function New patterns Minor bugfixes Available in: http://gmorgan.sf.net From roberts.noah at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 14:08:58 2005 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Tue Nov 8 14:09:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] verdict on edirol fw products Message-ID: <567aa5f60511081108p22ae2877q2824c7827127a3eb@mail.gmail.com> I am looking to purchase a nice soundcard for the laptop. What is the verdict on the Edirol Firewire stuff? How about the USB2 stuff? I'm especially interested in products like the FA101 or UA101. Will this type of soundcard have better physical latency than my integrated POS? Also interested in any other ideas. From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Tue Nov 8 13:50:25 2005 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Tue Nov 8 14:49:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] verdict on edirol fw products In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60511081108p22ae2877q2824c7827127a3eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <567aa5f60511081108p22ae2877q2824c7827127a3eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4370F371.9000106@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Noah Roberts schrieb: | Also interested in any other ideas. | I use the Hardwaremonitoring on my Terratec EWX 24/96 without any Problems with Jack/alsa. The card has a envy24-Chipset so i guess envy24-USBstuff will work fine as well. BTW Firewiresupport is still experimental with alsa while USB2 should be ~ by far powerfull enough to serve all the needs of audio... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDcPNw1Aecwva1SWMRApCuAJ9mSyOZbUByFP/B8wsLWmsVuRYs/ACgjITb 1jQob8E0UU6lJJBGnDZM4Kc= =sn/F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Tue Nov 8 15:50:58 2005 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Tue Nov 8 15:51:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack/Hydrogen problem Message-ID: <43710FB2.4070308@kolumbus.fi> I start Jack with qjackctl and everything's fine with Ardour. But when I try to start Hydrogen, it says "Error starting audio driver". I have tried to change jack as audio driver and restart it, but the same error message appears. With alsa driver it works fine. system information: Mandriva LE 2005 2.6.11-9.mm.9mdk From the console (it says Jack is not running, though it is - and I am not running jack as root): $ ./hydrogen Warning: no locale found: /home/linna/hydrogen-0.9.2-x86/bin/data/i18n/hydrogen.fi_FI Hydrogen 0.9.2-x86 [Jul 20 2005] [http://www.hydrogen-music.org] Copyright 2002-2005 Alessandro Cominu Compiled modules: (FLAC) (Jack) (Alsa) (OSS) (LRDF) Hydrogen comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions. See the file COPYING for details Using data path: /home/linna/hydrogen-0.9.2-x86/bin/data [WARNING] SongReader [readXmlString] Using default value in drumkit [LadspaFX::load] INIT - /usr/lib/ladspa//tap_reverb.so - tap_reverb [WARNING] LadspaFX [LadspaFX::load] integer hint not implemented yet [LadspaFX::getPluginList] reading directory: /usr/lib/ladspa/ [LadspaFX::getLadspaFXGroup] [LadspaFX::getPluginList] reading directory: /usr/lib/ladspa/ [WARNING] JackDriver Jack server not running? [ERROR] Hydrogen [audioEngine_startAudioDrivers] Error starting audio driver [audioDriver::init()] [ERROR] Hydrogen [audioEngine_startAudioDrivers] Error starting audio driver [ERROR] Hydrogen [audioEngine_startAudioDrivers] Using the NULL output audio driver [ERROR] Hydrogen [audioEngine_startAudioDrivers] m_pMainBuffer_L== NULL [ERROR] Hydrogen [audioEngine_startAudioDrivers] m_pMainBuffer_R== NULL [ERROR] Hydrogen [audioEngine_setupLadspaFX] nBufferSize=0 [ERROR] NullDriver [setBpm] not implemented yet [ERROR] LocalFileMng [loadDrumkit] Load Instrument: Data file /home/linna/hydrogen-0.9.2-x86/bin/data/drumkits/CVS/drumkit.xml not found. [ERROR] MainForm [errorEvent] [WARNING] JackDriver Jack server not running? [ERROR] Hydrogen [audioEngine_startAudioDrivers] Error starting audio driver [audioDriver::init()] [ERROR] Hydrogen [audioEngine_startAudioDrivers] Error starting audio driver [ERROR] Hydrogen [audioEngine_startAudioDrivers] Using the NULL output audio driver [ERROR] NullDriver [setBpm] not implemented yet [ERROR] Hydrogen [audioEngine_startAudioDrivers] m_pMainBuffer_L== NULL [ERROR] Hydrogen [audioEngine_startAudioDrivers] m_pMainBuffer_R== NULL [ERROR] Hydrogen [audioEngine_setupLadspaFX] nBufferSize=0 [ERROR] MainForm [errorEvent] From fbar at footils.org Tue Nov 8 18:21:41 2005 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Nov 8 18:26:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] verdict on edirol fw products In-Reply-To: <4370F371.9000106@linuxuse.de> References: <567aa5f60511081108p22ae2877q2824c7827127a3eb@mail.gmail.com> <4370F371.9000106@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <20051108232141.GK7960@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Hartmut Noack hat gesagt: // Hartmut Noack wrote: > Noah Roberts schrieb: > > | Also interested in any other ideas. > | > > I use the Hardwaremonitoring on my Terratec EWX 24/96 without any > Problems with Jack/alsa. The card has a envy24-Chipset so i guess > envy24-USBstuff will work fine as well. Well, if there was something like "envy24-USBstuff". USB soundcards are not based on that chipset, which is a PCI chip. [1] Anyway: Generally most USB1.1 soundcards are supported very well by ALSA, however for USB2 this is a different story. According to the soundcard matrix, Playback on the UA-1000 by Edirol doesn't work. To most people playback is a rather important feature. I don't think, other USB2 soundcards are much better supported yet, however maybe some alsa-developers would like to comment on thos. For Firewire audio check out http://freebob.sf.net [1] http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/audio/controllers/envy24/ Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue Nov 8 19:40:12 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue Nov 8 18:48:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Update on savihost + Vsti's under wine Message-ID: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Hi Mark. Right. Here goes. This is on FC2, not Gentoo. I'll have a go on Gentoo when I get the time. Wine is version 0.9-1fc2winehq, savihost is version 1.23. I borrowed mfc42.dll from my XP install and put it in .wine/drive_c/windows/system32. Savihost.exe I put in the program files, and also put Lin-Plugs FreeAlpha synth's .dll in there. Renamed savihosts .exe to FreeAlpha, and it worked first go. Now FreeAlpha synth has a separate file for it's patches. it will only use the default patch that is on the synth But it works. I've been trying a lot of freebie synths, and notice that they use a lot of cpu. Ksim is showing, when idle, between 70 & 80% cpu useage, and yet the synth itself only shows less than 5% cpu useage. VirSyn's MicroTERA. a free synth uses 100% cpu. Not enough to freeze the mouse, and even though I did get some sounds out of it, it would not load the sound bank. Native Instruments Reactor Session One 4.0, another freebie fully operational synth. When installed, this has a .exe and a .dll. Running the .exe brings up the GUI, but the only menu item that works is the one for sample rate, so cannot connect usb midi keyboard or audio output. The .dll through savihost works fine, but again at idle, is showing 50% cpu on Ksim, and the synth is showing about 18.8%. The complete patch bank is available on this synth. Single notes play ok, but push the cpu on Ksim to about 95%. Chords push the cpu useage to 100%+ and become quite broken up. All in all, I'm very happy with the way this is going. Hardly anything worked on wine-20041019-1fc2winehq, but 0.9-1fc2winehq has certainly made more things work. One observation. I tried crystal.dll on numerous occasions, and it would not open. At that time only mfc42.dll was in the system32 directory. After installing Reactor Session One synth, and perhaps something else, more .dll's turned up in system32. I thought I'd try crystal synth again, and this time it worked. The extra .dll's are listed below. msvcirt.dll MSVCP60.DLL Msvcrt.dll Here are a few of the freebie synths I tried, and which worked ok with savihost. Triangle I & Triangle II from http://www.rgcaudio.com Interruptor Dub Siren from http://www.interruptor.ch JXPlugins JX220 from http://www.jxplugins.co.uk LFObia Mocheese from http://www.electronicscene.com/elektracidz LRsynths Trionimox from http://www.alphastrike.de Psychic Modulation Pandemonium from http://www.psychicmodulation.com Tobybear Screamer from http://www.tobybear.de LinPlug Free Alpha from http://www.linplug.com I'd be really interested in knowing why these synths use so much cpu when just lying idle. Nigel. Machine: Aiii-friend 1.3Ghz, 1GB Ram, Audigy2 soundblaster, Built-in Cyberblade i1 graphics. From j_zar at openjay.org Wed Nov 9 02:37:33 2005 From: j_zar at openjay.org (J_Zar) Date: Tue Nov 8 19:37:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Best soundcard for DJing with Linux (Poll) Message-ID: <200511090137.33399.j_zar@openjay.org> I think this article could be interesting for some Linux Audio User. At OpenJay.org there was a poll about "Best soundcard for DJing with Linux". Here the results: http://www.openjay.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=88 If something is strange or you dislike it.. post your comments there! Cheers, -- Gianluca Romanin (aka J_Zar) From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 21:03:11 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Nov 8 21:03:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Update on savihost + Vsti's under wine In-Reply-To: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511081803h15fb652fnef83dc7513e2905e@mail.gmail.com> On 11/8/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > Hi Mark. Right. Here goes. This is on FC2, not Gentoo. I'll have a go on > Gentoo when I get the time. Wine is version 0.9-1fc2winehq, savihost is > version 1.23. I borrowed mfc42.dll from my XP install and put it > in .wine/drive_c/windows/system32. Savihost.exe I put in the program files, > and also put Lin-Plugs FreeAlpha synth's .dll in there. Renamed > savihosts .exe to FreeAlpha, and it worked first go. Now FreeAlpha synth has > a separate file for it's patches. it will only use the default patch that is > on the synth But it works. I've been trying a lot of freebie synths, and > notice that they use a lot of cpu. Ksim is showing, when idle, between 70 & > 80% cpu useage, and yet the synth itself only shows less than 5% cpu useage. > VirSyn's MicroTERA. a free synth uses 100% cpu. Not enough to freeze the > mouse, and even though I did get some sounds out of it, it would not load the > sound bank. Native Instruments Reactor Session One 4.0, another freebie fully > operational synth. When installed, this has a .exe and a .dll. Running > the .exe brings up the GUI, but the only menu item that works is the one for > sample rate, so cannot connect usb midi keyboard or audio output. The .dll > through savihost works fine, but again at idle, is showing 50% cpu on Ksim, > and the synth is showing about 18.8%. The complete patch bank is available on > this synth. Single notes play ok, but push the cpu on Ksim to about 95%. > Chords push the cpu useage to 100%+ and become quite broken up. All in all, > I'm very happy with the way this is going. Hardly anything worked on > wine-20041019-1fc2winehq, but 0.9-1fc2winehq has certainly made more things > work. One observation. I tried crystal.dll on numerous occasions, and it > would not open. At that time only mfc42.dll was in the system32 directory. > After installing Reactor Session One synth, and perhaps something else, > more .dll's turned up in system32. I thought I'd try crystal synth again, and > this time it worked. The extra .dll's are listed below. > msvcirt.dll > MSVCP60.DLL > Msvcrt.dll > > Here are a few of the freebie synths I tried, and which worked ok with > savihost. > Triangle I & Triangle II from http://www.rgcaudio.com > Interruptor Dub Siren from http://www.interruptor.ch > JXPlugins JX220 from http://www.jxplugins.co.uk > LFObia Mocheese from http://www.electronicscene.com/elektracidz > LRsynths Trionimox from http://www.alphastrike.de > Psychic Modulation Pandemonium from http://www.psychicmodulation.com > Tobybear Screamer from http://www.tobybear.de > LinPlug Free Alpha from http://www.linplug.com > > I'd be really interested in knowing why these synths use so much cpu when just > lying idle. Nigel. > > Machine: Aiii-friend 1.3Ghz, 1GB Ram, Audigy2 soundblaster, Built-in > Cyberblade i1 graphics. > Hi Nigel, Hey - you've been busy! I had a couple of minutes so I fired up Savihost using Triangle 1 and Crystal to see if I could duplicate your results. For those synths I see (using top) Triangle 1 - 6% usr, 6%sys Crystal - 20% usr, 80% sys This is on an AMD64 3000+ machine. Since Savihost is the main app in both cases (just renamed to the dll name) then the difference has to be something in the way the dll is written. (duh...) How we find that I'm not so sure. What I need is an app that shows CPU usage by thread or process I suppose. I'll ask about that on the Wine lists and see what I find out. Assuming that we do find out something then possibly one day the Wine developers (or kernel developers) can do something about it. Note that in both cases above I ended up using the OSS seting in winecfg. The Jack interface doesn't work at all and the Alsa interface seemed to have an awful lot of noise. The kernel is 2.6.14-rt6, Ingo's latest and the machine is Gentoo based. I have the Alpha demo downloaded but I haven't installed it yet. I think we need to work on a way to report this info, and maybe a place to store it online. I can see a Wiki where we all can enter numbers as being of value, assuming it starys clean. Cheers, Mark From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Wed Nov 9 01:41:38 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Wed Nov 9 01:41:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Update on savihost + Vsti's under wine In-Reply-To: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <43719A22.2090102@sympatico.ca> Nigel Henry wrote: >Hi Mark. Right. Here goes. This is on FC2, not Gentoo. I'll have a go on >Gentoo when I get the time. Wine is version 0.9-1fc2winehq, savihost is >version 1.23. I borrowed mfc42.dll from my XP install and put it >in .wine/drive_c/windows/system32. Savihost.exe I put in the program files, >and also put Lin-Plugs FreeAlpha synth's .dll in there. Renamed >savihosts .exe to FreeAlpha, and it worked first go. Now FreeAlpha synth has >a separate file for it's patches. it will only use the default patch that is >on the synth But it works. I've been trying a lot of freebie synths, and >notice that they use a lot of cpu. Ksim is showing, when idle, between 70 & >80% cpu useage, and yet the synth itself only shows less than 5% cpu useage. >VirSyn's MicroTERA. a free synth uses 100% cpu. Not enough to freeze the >mouse, and even though I did get some sounds out of it, it would not load the >sound bank. Native Instruments Reactor Session One 4.0, another freebie fully >operational synth. When installed, this has a .exe and a .dll. Running >the .exe brings up the GUI, but the only menu item that works is the one for >sample rate, so cannot connect usb midi keyboard or audio output. The .dll >through savihost works fine, but again at idle, is showing 50% cpu on Ksim, >and the synth is showing about 18.8%. The complete patch bank is available on >this synth. Single notes play ok, but push the cpu on Ksim to about 95%. >Chords push the cpu useage to 100%+ and become quite broken up. All in all, >I'm very happy with the way this is going. Hardly anything worked on >wine-20041019-1fc2winehq, but 0.9-1fc2winehq has certainly made more things >work. One observation. I tried crystal.dll on numerous occasions, and it >would not open. At that time only mfc42.dll was in the system32 directory. >After installing Reactor Session One synth, and perhaps something else, >more .dll's turned up in system32. I thought I'd try crystal synth again, and >this time it worked. The extra .dll's are listed below. >msvcirt.dll >MSVCP60.DLL >Msvcrt.dll > >Here are a few of the freebie synths I tried, and which worked ok with >savihost. >Triangle I & Triangle II from http://www.rgcaudio.com >Interruptor Dub Siren from http://www.interruptor.ch >JXPlugins JX220 from http://www.jxplugins.co.uk >LFObia Mocheese from http://www.electronicscene.com/elektracidz >LRsynths Trionimox from http://www.alphastrike.de >Psychic Modulation Pandemonium from http://www.psychicmodulation.com >Tobybear Screamer from http://www.tobybear.de >LinPlug Free Alpha from http://www.linplug.com > >I'd be really interested in knowing why these synths use so much cpu when just >lying idle. Nigel. > >Machine: Aiii-friend 1.3Ghz, 1GB Ram, Audigy2 soundblaster, Built-in >Cyberblade i1 graphics. > > > Good testing! I've been using xfst and seems to work pretty fine. There are some VSTs that wont load but much less than with fst and wine20040505. Have you been using Jack? It seems that there are lots of problems with the Wine-Jack combo. cheers! Hector. From fbar at footils.org Wed Nov 9 04:22:42 2005 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Nov 9 04:27:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Best soundcard for DJing with Linux (Poll) In-Reply-To: <200511090137.33399.j_zar@openjay.org> References: <200511090137.33399.j_zar@openjay.org> Message-ID: <20051109092242.GQ7960@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, J_Zar hat gesagt: // J_Zar wrote: > I think this article could be interesting for some Linux Audio User. > > At OpenJay.org there was a poll about "Best soundcard for DJing with Linux". > Here the results: > > http://www.openjay.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=88 Some random remarks: I think, such polls need to be taken with a grain of salt: How many of the participiciants actually used different soundcards or at least tested them thoroughly? As the Soundblaster probably is the most widly used card, it's no wonder, that it turned up high on the list. However if it's indeed the best card for DJing still is an open question. Maya USB and Terratec USB are almost the same hardware, so from a Linux perspective, their votes also could be added together. (Of course, the price is different.) What is a "M-Audio Audiophile Series" card, USB or PCI? I guess, USB, as the PCI card is unusable for DJs, because it lacks enough channels for PF listening. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From x at branwelt.de Wed Nov 9 05:08:56 2005 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Wed Nov 9 05:09:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audacity jack In-Reply-To: <200511081631.34001.holborn@telefonica.net> References: <200511081631.34001.holborn@telefonica.net> Message-ID: <4371CAB8.9040802@branwelt.de> hi I compiled audacity (1.3.9 beta-cvs) (because 1.2.0 did't compile) with portaudio, in order to use it with jackd If I play any sound, I can hear it, but if I play it again, there is now sound anymore. I have the feeling, that it (portaudio/audacity) doesn't reconnect to jack once the playhead has stopped. I also tried to use qjackctls patchbay and connected "portaudio client output" to "alsa_pcm", without having any effect. Any suggestions? thanks, Emanuel From nescivi at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 04:34:16 2005 From: nescivi at gmail.com (nescivi) Date: Wed Nov 9 07:47:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] verdict on edirol fw products In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60511081108p22ae2877q2824c7827127a3eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <567aa5f60511081108p22ae2877q2824c7827127a3eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1559676042.20051109103416@gmail.com> Hi, Tuesday, November 8, 2005, 8:08:58 PM, you wrote: NR> I am looking to purchase a nice soundcard for the laptop. What is the NR> verdict on the Edirol Firewire stuff? How about the USB2 stuff? I'm NR> especially interested in products like the FA101 or UA101. The UA101 is not supported, as it is USB2, but does not adhere to the USB audio standard. The device shows up as a Vendor Specific Type (in the USB descriptor), not as an audio device. I suppose a separate driver will need to be written for it, which probably won't succeed without information from Edirol. I am not sure what the current status is there. As I hear that the FreeBob project is supporting the FA101, I suppose that that may also help for development of the UA101, as I suspect that the devices are quite similar, apart from the connection/protocol. sincerely, Marije From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Nov 9 11:38:08 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Nov 9 09:43:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Best soundcard for DJing with Linux (Poll) In-Reply-To: <200511090137.33399.j_zar@openjay.org> (J. Zar's message of "Wed, 9 Nov 2005 01:37:33 -0600") References: <200511090137.33399.j_zar@openjay.org> Message-ID: <8764r1dbf3.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> J_Zar writes: > At OpenJay.org there was a poll about "Best soundcard for DJing with > Linux". This is so far fetched. What has the SPU to do with anything DJ'ing?. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Nov 9 12:09:07 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Nov 9 10:14:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Best soundcard for DJing with Linux (Poll) In-Reply-To: <8764r1dbf3.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> (Esben Stien's message of "Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:38:08 +0100") References: <200511090137.33399.j_zar@openjay.org> <8764r1dbf3.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <87r79pbvf0.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Esben Stien writes: > What has the SPU to do with anything DJ'ing?. Sorry;). Didn't read the poll text thoroughly. It's a poll for price vs audio quality. OT: It's really sad that a community portal has ads. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From roberts.noah at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 11:30:05 2005 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Wed Nov 9 11:30:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] verdict on edirol fw products In-Reply-To: <1559676042.20051109103416@gmail.com> References: <567aa5f60511081108p22ae2877q2824c7827127a3eb@mail.gmail.com> <1559676042.20051109103416@gmail.com> Message-ID: <567aa5f60511090830h469308eeqa65a0580af8f29d3@mail.gmail.com> On 11/9/05, nescivi wrote: > Hi, > > Tuesday, November 8, 2005, 8:08:58 PM, you wrote: > > NR> I am looking to purchase a nice soundcard for the laptop. What is the > NR> verdict on the Edirol Firewire stuff? How about the USB2 stuff? I'm > NR> especially interested in products like the FA101 or UA101. > > The UA101 is not supported, as it is USB2, but does not adhere to the > USB audio standard. > The device shows up as a Vendor Specific Type (in the USB descriptor), > not as an audio device. I suppose a separate driver will need to be > written for it, which probably won't succeed without information from > Edirol. I am not sure what the current status is there. How is Edirol about Linux support? Do they provide documentation to developers or are they tight asses about it? If they are tight asses, is there a good sound system made by someone that is better about supporting their customers' choice in OS? From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Nov 9 12:33:58 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Nov 9 12:32:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <1131240805.2986.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1131240805.2986.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1131557638.10939.330.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Try switching to a distribution that actually ..distributes.. > things people need. Like the firmware needed to use an RME interface? Forget debian and ubuntu. Next up? --p From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Wed Nov 9 13:52:43 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Nov 9 12:51:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Update on savihost + Vsti's under wine In-Reply-To: <43719A22.2090102@sympatico.ca> References: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <43719A22.2090102@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200511091852.43880.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 09 November 2005 06:41, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > >Hi Mark. Right. Here goes. This is on FC2, not Gentoo. I'll have a go on > >Gentoo when I get the time. Wine is version 0.9-1fc2winehq, savihost is > >version 1.23. I borrowed mfc42.dll from my XP install and put it > >in .wine/drive_c/windows/system32. Savihost.exe I put in the program > > files, and also put Lin-Plugs FreeAlpha synth's .dll in there. Renamed > >savihosts .exe to FreeAlpha, and it worked first go. Now FreeAlpha synth > > has a separate file for it's patches. it will only use the default patch > > that is on the synth But it works. I've been trying a lot of freebie > > synths, and notice that they use a lot of cpu. Ksim is showing, when > > idle, between 70 & 80% cpu useage, and yet the synth itself only shows > > less than 5% cpu useage. VirSyn's MicroTERA. a free synth uses 100% cpu. > > Not enough to freeze the mouse, and even though I did get some sounds out > > of it, it would not load the sound bank. Native Instruments Reactor > > Session One 4.0, another freebie fully operational synth. When installed, > > this has a .exe and a .dll. Running the .exe brings up the GUI, but the > > only menu item that works is the one for sample rate, so cannot connect > > usb midi keyboard or audio output. The .dll through savihost works fine, > > but again at idle, is showing 50% cpu on Ksim, and the synth is showing > > about 18.8%. The complete patch bank is available on this synth. Single > > notes play ok, but push the cpu on Ksim to about 95%. Chords push the cpu > > useage to 100%+ and become quite broken up. All in all, I'm very happy > > with the way this is going. Hardly anything worked on > > wine-20041019-1fc2winehq, but 0.9-1fc2winehq has certainly made more > > things work. One observation. I tried crystal.dll on numerous occasions, > > and it would not open. At that time only mfc42.dll was in the system32 > > directory. After installing Reactor Session One synth, and perhaps > > something else, more .dll's turned up in system32. I thought I'd try > > crystal synth again, and this time it worked. The extra .dll's are listed > > below. > >msvcirt.dll > >MSVCP60.DLL > >Msvcrt.dll > > > >Here are a few of the freebie synths I tried, and which worked ok with > >savihost. > >Triangle I & Triangle II from http://www.rgcaudio.com > >Interruptor Dub Siren from http://www.interruptor.ch > >JXPlugins JX220 from http://www.jxplugins.co.uk > >LFObia Mocheese from http://www.electronicscene.com/elektracidz > >LRsynths Trionimox from http://www.alphastrike.de > >Psychic Modulation Pandemonium from http://www.psychicmodulation.com > >Tobybear Screamer from http://www.tobybear.de > >LinPlug Free Alpha from http://www.linplug.com > > > >I'd be really interested in knowing why these synths use so much cpu when > > just lying idle. Nigel. > > > >Machine: Aiii-friend 1.3Ghz, 1GB Ram, Audigy2 soundblaster, Built-in > >Cyberblade i1 graphics. > > Good testing! I've been using xfst and seems to work pretty fine. There > are some VSTs that wont load but much less than with fst and > wine20040505. Have you been using Jack? It seems that there are lots of > problems with the Wine-Jack combo. > > cheers! > > Hector. Hi Hector. No I'm not using Jack with Wine, but Alsa. I must admit that I'm quite impressed with savihost's ability to run all the VSTi's that I tried, apart from Plugsound Free. There is a pretty bad latency problem when using my Evolution MK-225C usb midi keyboard. Some synth patches seem to allow for more latency than others. It can be a bit like playing a pipe organ. Press the key. Have a quick fag, and wait for the sound to arrive. Nigel. From j_zar at openjay.org Wed Nov 9 20:03:34 2005 From: j_zar at openjay.org (J_Zar) Date: Wed Nov 9 13:03:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Best soundcard for DJing with Linux (Poll) In-Reply-To: <87r79pbvf0.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <200511090137.33399.j_zar@openjay.org> <8764r1dbf3.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <87r79pbvf0.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <200511091903.34777.j_zar@openjay.org> Alle 11:09, mercoled? 09 novembre 2005, Esben Stien ha scritto: > OT: It's really sad that a community portal has ads. Really OT: Quite true.. But it's really sad to manage a community portal without any cash input to pay the efforts! Efforts are: time, code, service quality, bandwidth, webspace and so on... I must say although that Ads in the last 2 years gives me nothing at all (Google pays after 100$, and I gain no more than 40$!). And its hard enough to gain some donations to the cause (I had a donation of 30 EUR in 3 years and a half)... I suppose that service / contents of OpenJay.org is not good enough to gain donators attention. I'm working to improve it every day. But there is nothing bad to try to take back some money with ads... I think ;-P What about? Cheers, -- Gianluca Romanin (aka J_Zar) From j_zar at openjay.org Wed Nov 9 20:14:31 2005 From: j_zar at openjay.org (J_Zar) Date: Wed Nov 9 13:14:33 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Best soundcard for DJing with Linux (Poll) In-Reply-To: <20051109092242.GQ7960@fliwatut.scifi> References: <200511090137.33399.j_zar@openjay.org> <20051109092242.GQ7960@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <200511091914.31483.j_zar@openjay.org> Alle 03:22, mercoled? 09 novembre 2005, Frank Barknecht ha scritto: > Hallo, > > J_Zar hat gesagt: // J_Zar wrote: > > I think this article could be interesting for some Linux Audio User. > > > > At OpenJay.org there was a poll about "Best soundcard for DJing with > > Linux". Here the results: > > > > http://www.openjay.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=88 > > Some random remarks: > > I think, such polls need to be taken with a grain of salt: How many of > the participiciants actually used different soundcards or at least > tested them thoroughly? As the Soundblaster probably is the most widly > used card, it's no wonder, that it turned up high on the list. However > if it's indeed the best card for DJing still is an open question. > > Maya USB and Terratec USB are almost the same hardware, so from a > Linux perspective, their votes also could be added together. (Of > course, the price is different.) > > What is a "M-Audio Audiophile Series" card, USB or PCI? I guess, USB, > as the PCI card is unusable for DJs, because it lacks enough channels > for PF listening. You are right talking about my imprecisions. "M-Audio Audiophile Series" stands for the generic series cause it is not enough spread in the DJ world. Maya USB and Terratec USB are the same: true. But vendor support is not the same, if there is. The poll gives an idea, however. This is the important thing... ;-) -- Gianluca Romanin (aka J_Zar) From dubphil at free.fr Wed Nov 9 16:10:19 2005 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Wed Nov 9 14:13:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Best soundcard for DJing with Linux (Poll) In-Reply-To: <200511091903.34777.j_zar@openjay.org> References: <200511090137.33399.j_zar@openjay.org> <8764r1dbf3.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <87r79pbvf0.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <200511091903.34777.j_zar@openjay.org> Message-ID: <59040.192.168.0.2.1131570619.squirrel@192.168.0.2> > Really OT: Quite true.. But it's really sad to manage a community portal > without any cash input to pay the efforts! Efforts are: time, code, > service > quality, bandwidth, webspace and so on... > I must say although that Ads in the last 2 years gives me nothing at all > (Google pays after 100$, and I gain no more than 40$!). And its hard > enough > to gain some donations to the cause (I had a donation of 30 EUR in 3 years > and a half)... > I suppose that service / contents of OpenJay.org is not good enough to > gain > donators attention. I'm working to improve it every day. But there is > nothing > bad to try to take back some money with ads... I think ;-P > > What about? OT (always, sorry): I second you on the fact that effort to give a reliable and free community website is rarely rewarded :( . When I began with oneshotsamples.com, people was able to register freely. Two years later, the solely reward I had was a copyright infringment pursuit, that hopefully ended well for me. Now people needs to be invited by members or must donate a buck to get an invite from me :) Nevertheless ads are not allowed at the Hyperreal.org hosting and I finally agree with this. But sacrifice is a big component of the Free Software Ideology isn't it ? Our developper friends can testify on this... Regards. Philippe PS : I recall that I will be happy to give *free* invitation to LAU and LAD users ;) From everamzah at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 16:16:32 2005 From: everamzah at gmail.com (James) Date: Wed Nov 9 16:16:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: audacity jack In-Reply-To: <4371CAB8.9040802@branwelt.de> References: <200511081631.34001.holborn@telefonica.net> <4371CAB8.9040802@branwelt.de> Message-ID: <7e259480511091316g6f6e6649nb355f61aec04f3dc@mail.gmail.com> have you looked at it before/during/after play/pause/stop (using patchage or whatever)? i have this problem with sweep, which i run using the alsa jack plugin. i haven't tried audacity under the alsa jack plugin, and i'm not sure if that's how portaudio handles things. (i didn't know until the other day that portaudio uses jack at all.) jas On 11/9/05, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: > hi > > I compiled audacity (1.3.9 beta-cvs) (because 1.2.0 did't compile) with > portaudio, in order to use it with jackd > If I play any sound, I can hear it, but if I play it again, there is now > sound anymore. > I have the feeling, that it (portaudio/audacity) doesn't reconnect to > jack once the playhead has stopped. > I also tried to use qjackctls patchbay and connected "portaudio client > output" to "alsa_pcm", without having any effect. > > Any suggestions? > > thanks, > Emanuel > > -- james :: everamzah/R2H From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Wed Nov 9 18:29:02 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Nov 9 17:28:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Update on savihost + Vsti's under wine In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511081803h15fb652fnef83dc7513e2905e@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511081803h15fb652fnef83dc7513e2905e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511092329.02190.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 09 November 2005 02:03, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 11/8/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > Hi Mark. Right. Here goes. This is on FC2, not Gentoo. I'll have a go on > > Gentoo when I get the time. Wine is version 0.9-1fc2winehq, savihost is > > version 1.23. I borrowed mfc42.dll from my XP install and put it > > in .wine/drive_c/windows/system32. Savihost.exe I put in the program > > files, and also put Lin-Plugs FreeAlpha synth's .dll in there. Renamed > > savihosts .exe to FreeAlpha, and it worked first go. Now FreeAlpha synth > > has a separate file for it's patches. it will only use the default patch > > that is on the synth But it works. I've been trying a lot of freebie > > synths, and notice that they use a lot of cpu. Ksim is showing, when > > idle, between 70 & 80% cpu useage, and yet the synth itself only shows > > less than 5% cpu useage. VirSyn's MicroTERA. a free synth uses 100% cpu. > > Not enough to freeze the mouse, and even though I did get some sounds out > > of it, it would not load the sound bank. Native Instruments Reactor > > Session One 4.0, another freebie fully operational synth. When installed, > > this has a .exe and a .dll. Running the .exe brings up the GUI, but the > > only menu item that works is the one for sample rate, so cannot connect > > usb midi keyboard or audio output. The .dll through savihost works fine, > > but again at idle, is showing 50% cpu on Ksim, and the synth is showing > > about 18.8%. The complete patch bank is available on this synth. Single > > notes play ok, but push the cpu on Ksim to about 95%. Chords push the cpu > > useage to 100%+ and become quite broken up. All in all, I'm very happy > > with the way this is going. Hardly anything worked on > > wine-20041019-1fc2winehq, but 0.9-1fc2winehq has certainly made more > > things work. One observation. I tried crystal.dll on numerous occasions, > > and it would not open. At that time only mfc42.dll was in the system32 > > directory. After installing Reactor Session One synth, and perhaps > > something else, more .dll's turned up in system32. I thought I'd try > > crystal synth again, and this time it worked. The extra .dll's are listed > > below. > > msvcirt.dll > > MSVCP60.DLL > > Msvcrt.dll > > > > Here are a few of the freebie synths I tried, and which worked ok with > > savihost. > > Triangle I & Triangle II from http://www.rgcaudio.com > > Interruptor Dub Siren from http://www.interruptor.ch > > JXPlugins JX220 from http://www.jxplugins.co.uk > > LFObia Mocheese from http://www.electronicscene.com/elektracidz > > LRsynths Trionimox from http://www.alphastrike.de > > Psychic Modulation Pandemonium from http://www.psychicmodulation.com > > Tobybear Screamer from http://www.tobybear.de > > LinPlug Free Alpha from http://www.linplug.com > > > > I'd be really interested in knowing why these synths use so much cpu when > > just lying idle. Nigel. > > > > Machine: Aiii-friend 1.3Ghz, 1GB Ram, Audigy2 soundblaster, Built-in > > Cyberblade i1 graphics. > > Hi Nigel, > Hey - you've been busy! > > I had a couple of minutes so I fired up Savihost using Triangle 1 > and Crystal to see if I could duplicate your results. For those synths > I see (using top) > > Triangle 1 - 6% usr, 6%sys > Crystal - 20% usr, 80% sys > > This is on an AMD64 3000+ machine. > > Since Savihost is the main app in both cases (just renamed to the > dll name) then the difference has to be something in the way the dll > is written. (duh...) How we find that I'm not so sure. What I need is > an app that shows CPU usage by thread or process I suppose. > > I'll ask about that on the Wine lists and see what I find out. > > Assuming that we do find out something then possibly one day the > Wine developers (or kernel developers) can do something about it. > > Note that in both cases above I ended up using the OSS seting in > winecfg. The Jack interface doesn't work at all and the Alsa interface > seemed to have an awful lot of noise. The kernel is 2.6.14-rt6, Ingo's > latest and the machine is Gentoo based. > > I have the Alpha demo downloaded but I haven't installed it yet. > > I think we need to work on a way to report this info, and maybe a > place to store it online. I can see a Wiki where we all can enter > numbers as being of value, assuming it starys clean. > > Cheers, > Mark Hi Mark. A Wiki is the best option for keeping this info. As you say it needs to be kept clean, and I'd suggest registration to add or make alterations to pages in it. I wish I could help to set it up, but have no idea how to go about setting up a Wiki or a webserver. My Apache webserver I've tried out once with my son, but on dialup it's a bit of a no-go anyway. The kernel I am using is from planetccrma. 2.6.10-0.4.rdt.rhfc2.ccrma (32bit). Having finished playing with vst apps a while back, I went to start qjackctl. It doesn't want to know, throwing back "the capture device "hw0" is already in use. A bit confused I run ps auxw, and this shows 5 active pid's for wine. I have, pid 4288 for /usr/bin/wine-preloader /usr/bin/wine-pthread C:\Program Files\Native. Also, pid 4291 for /usr/bin/wineserver, and the rest are using /usr/bin/wine-preloader /usr/bin/wine-pthread /home/djmons/.wine/driv. Kiliing these and running ps auxw again shows the same pid's still there, but with the comment "defunkt" . Normally you kill a pid, run ps auxw again and the pid ids gone. Qjackctl still won't start jack. I had to do a windoze style reboot to clear this stuff. Thank you by the way for "top". I havn't used this before. Right. I've rebooted, and go to wines program files. Start up Crystal through savihost with top running. Ksim at idle shows an average of 26% cpu. With top, wineserver is showing an average of 10.5%, and wine-preloader an average of 7.6%. Playing Crystal pushes the cpu up to about 50%. I mean. This ain't too bad. Wine-preloader has gone up to about 13.3% cpu and is staying there after a few minutes. Wineserver has stayed at the same cpu level. Closed Crystal and now lost wineserver and wine-preloader from the top output (which is as it should be). Cpu now running at an average of 3%. Start Triangle I . Wineserver's cpu about the same as Crystal. Wine-preloader up a bit, 8.6%. Playing Triangle I pushes the cpu to about 53% max. Closed Triangle I, and lost wine pid's from top. Tried qjackctl and starting jack, and no problems. Right. Last try, as I don't want to use synths that you don't have. Start FreeAlpha. No big difference here. cpu useage about the same as the others. FreeAlpha being polyphonic surprisingly only max'd at about 41% cpu when played. None of this seems too bad. I still can't understand why I had 5 pid's still running for wine in ps auxw. the only other bits I'd run from the wine program files were, a pdf manual, and a MS word .doc through open office for another synth manual. Now I recorded a bit on one synth and saved it as .wav. But the next question is. How do I port the output from a VSTi running under savihost and wine, to an app like Ardour? Thats a whole new ball game. Nigel. From pcoccoli at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 18:03:20 2005 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Wed Nov 9 18:03:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Update on savihost + Vsti's under wine In-Reply-To: <200511092329.02190.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511081803h15fb652fnef83dc7513e2905e@mail.gmail.com> <200511092329.02190.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <8d27a0610511091503l3a2abb47v6013d669970f179f@mail.gmail.com> On 11/9/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > Hi Mark. A Wiki is the best option for keeping this info. As you say it needs > to be kept clean, and I'd suggest registration to add or make alterations to > pages in it. I wish I could help to set it up, but have no idea how to go > about setting up a Wiki or a webserver. My Apache webserver I've tried out > once with my son, but on dialup it's a bit of a no-go anyway. > Please don't start another wiki. Use an existing one like http://wiki.freeaudiosoftware.org/. There's a VST page there, but sadly all it has are 2 links to other sites. From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Wed Nov 9 21:18:23 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Wed Nov 9 21:16:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour/TAP reverb problem In-Reply-To: <200511020324.00838.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> References: <4360B95F.3080808@woh.rr.com> <4361A31C.7000400@woh.rr.com> <200511020324.00838.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <200511092318.24532.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> On Tuesday 01 November 2005 23:24, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > 01-11-05 23:24 > ? > > On Friday 28 October 2005 06:03, Dave Phillips wrote: > > Hi Tom, hi Mark: > > > > ? Okay, I just reloaded the kid's Ardour session from last night. All > > plugins were intact and just as I last saved them. I did the things that > > caused the noise problem (moved a track, relocated playback cursor, etc). > > > > ? No noise. Everything was fine. > > > > ? ... > > > > ? I'm going to bed now. > > > > Best, > > > > dp > > Those types of noises maybe are coming from the JACK's behavioral... next > time it happeds you could try to change the JACK's latency on the fly (from > the Ardour's menu). I found that giving -P89 to jackd reduces the probability of having noises (something like distortions) -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) fecha: mi? nov 9 19:20:01 CET 2005 ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From mockingbird at ihug.co.nz Wed Nov 9 22:08:19 2005 From: mockingbird at ihug.co.nz (Chris Bannister) Date: Wed Nov 9 21:31:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051110030819.GB18423@kan> On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 08:09:40AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi, > Very off topic, but I thought it might be of interest to some. Even > commercial audio CDs are becoming unsafe. Please excuse the noise. > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2092&tag=nl.e539 > > Cheers, > Mark A good incentive to make GNU/Linux the platform of choice: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html http://www.eff.org/Infrastructure/trusted_computing/20031001_tc.php http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html Sorry if unrelated & OT, but subject mentioned "What next?" -- Chris. ====== Reproduction if desired may be handled locally. -- rfc3 From cesare at poeticstudios.com Wed Nov 9 22:44:35 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare) Date: Wed Nov 9 22:44:56 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next? In-Reply-To: <20051110030819.GB18423@kan> References: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> <20051110030819.GB18423@kan> Message-ID: <4372C223.3070204@poeticstudios.com> Chris Bannister wrote: >On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 08:09:40AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > >>Hi, >> Very off topic, but I thought it might be of interest to some. Even >>commercial audio CDs are becoming unsafe. Please excuse the noise. >> >>http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2092&tag=nl.e539 >> >>Cheers, >>Mark >> >> > >A good incentive to make GNU/Linux the platform of choice: > >http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html >http://www.eff.org/Infrastructure/trusted_computing/20031001_tc.php >http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html > >Sorry if unrelated & OT, but subject mentioned "What next?" > > > Added to the 'must read' link category on my blog. Thanks. c. www.cesaremarilungo.com From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 22:57:44 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Nov 9 22:57:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next? In-Reply-To: <20051110030819.GB18423@kan> References: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> <20051110030819.GB18423@kan> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511091957x498ee3f9q5ac908c6c549ca18@mail.gmail.com> On 11/9/05, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 08:09:40AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Hi, > > Very off topic, but I thought it might be of interest to some. Even > > commercial audio CDs are becoming unsafe. Please excuse the noise. > > > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2092&tag=nl.e539 > > > > Cheers, > > Mark > > A good incentive to make GNU/Linux the platform of choice: > > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html > http://www.eff.org/Infrastructure/trusted_computing/20031001_tc.php > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html > > Sorry if unrelated & OT, but subject mentioned "What next?" > > -- > Chris. I weas being a bit sarcastic when I wrote that. Sort of like 'WTF'?!? ;-) From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 03:22:23 2005 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Nov 10 03:22:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Best soundcard for DJing with Linux (Poll) In-Reply-To: <200511091903.34777.j_zar@openjay.org> References: <200511090137.33399.j_zar@openjay.org> <8764r1dbf3.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <87r79pbvf0.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <200511091903.34777.j_zar@openjay.org> Message-ID: On 11/10/05, J_Zar wrote: > Alle 11:09, mercoled? 09 novembre 2005, Esben Stien ha scritto: > > OT: It's really sad that a community portal has ads. > > Really OT: Quite true.. But it's really sad to manage a community portal > without any cash input to pay the efforts! Efforts are: time, code, service > I suppose that service / contents of OpenJay.org is not good enough to gain This is a bit of rant.... I really wonder what people are looking for in a sound card for one. Any "openjay" should really be given this advice to start with. Buy a mixer. Any application that suggests it is a good idea to use the built in (i.e computer) mixer/eq/effects etc is well, in my opinion deluded at best. It's like suggesting to use the computer keyboard for playing a piano synth. Then what you look for on a card are 2 stereo outs to go to your mixer. I REALLY suggest some of the developers of the limited number of dj apps for linux really need to learn how to dj first, on standard equipment. By this i mean a mixer and sl1200's (or copy of if can't borrow/limited for cash) or if that's not possible, a worse option, a mixer and standard club cdj's. Dj apps really should be modeled on turntables or cdj's. Something proved to be useful. Anything you can't do on a turntable is pretty much pointless for djing. A pitch range of > 8% is not in any way a good idea. If i get outside of +-5% it would be a freak occurrence. I've actually used djplay http://djplay.sourceforge.net/ in a small gig. I had my mixer, 2 sl1200's but a very limited collection of vinyl as i was travelling internationally. I used djplay as a substitute for a cdj. It wasn't too bad for that, and much more suitable than the other apps i've used, but in no way to the standard of a cheap turntable/cdj. All linux dj apps seem to have problem with cueing well. By this i mean finding the first cue point, were to release from in normal vinyl speak. On a cdj or vinyl these are scrub over the beat you want and release the vinyl or press cue on a cdj, in time with the beat on the other deck. Try doing this on any linux dj app. Accuracy for pitch is also very limited. For correcting in the mix (after i had the tunes beatmatched and live, i.e both together) i would have to correct the vinyl copy not the djplay copy, as small pitch changes, i.e 0.1% smoothly is VERY hard with current linux dj apps. In regard to cdj/turntable focus, effects are useless. If people want to use effects, they can either route the output of the dj prog through om or jack-rack, or effects loop on there mixer through om or jack-rack. However neither of these are a good idea, as effects are really not a good idea in djing, unless you are really to the level where you can mix perfectly while playing with the effects. After 5 or 6 years of djing (vinyl) for minimum one hour per day, i am not to this stage. Layering accapellas, etc is much more fun. I'm happy to help with any djing questions, however i'm really wondering why none of this style of info is at openjay.org. If you want to put my suggestions there, feel free. end rant! Loki From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Thu Nov 10 06:13:21 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Thu Nov 10 06:13:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511091957x498ee3f9q5ac908c6c549ca18@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> <20051110030819.GB18423@kan> <5bdc1c8b0511091957x498ee3f9q5ac908c6c549ca18@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43732B51.9050705@walescomputers.co.uk> Mark Knecht wrote: > On 11/9/05, Chris Bannister wrote: > >>On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 08:09:40AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >>>Hi, >>> Very off topic, but I thought it might be of interest to some. Even >>>commercial audio CDs are becoming unsafe. Please excuse the noise. >>> >>>http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2092&tag=nl.e539 >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Mark >> >>A good incentive to make GNU/Linux the platform of choice: >> >>http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html >>http://www.eff.org/Infrastructure/trusted_computing/20031001_tc.php >>http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html >> >>Sorry if unrelated & OT, but subject mentioned "What next?" >> >>-- >>Chris. > > > I weas being a bit sarcastic when I wrote that. Sort of like 'WTF'?!? ;-) > > HI May be off topic at the moment but will be very on topic if they get this in! Imagine sending a wav file to someone who then can't read it because you can't attest the file! maybe even CD players that won't play certain CD's (made with Audacity/Ardour come to mind) The rootkit is just the start I think. Cheers Bob Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Thu Nov 10 07:29:24 2005 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Thu Nov 10 07:31:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Changing ALSA card order / SBLive synth not working Message-ID: <200511101329.24861.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Hi, I've got two sound cards, a SoundBlaster Live 5.1 and an M-Audio Delta Audiophile 2496. The Audiophile was detected as the first card by my system (Ubuntu Breezy, kernel 2.6.12), and I managed to change that by adding options snd-emu10k1 index=0 options snd-ice1712 index=1 to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base. But now the SBLive's Midi synth doesn't work anymore. The snd-emu10k1-synth module is loaded, and aplaymidi -l does show the Emu10k1 Midi devices, however the synth's mixer channels are missing in alsamixer -c 0, and I can't hear anything. Are there any other options I have to pass to the kernel modules? snd-emu10k1-synth doesn't seem to have an 'index' option. Thanks, Dominic From thegnu at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 08:29:47 2005 From: thegnu at gmail.com (Nathan) Date: Thu Nov 10 08:29:50 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] APIC, IRQ, and an HDSP9652 Message-ID: Hi all, This is my first post here, so hello everybody. I'm running PlanetCCRMA's FC3 distro (low-latency kernel 2.6.11-0.3.rdt.rhfc3.ccrma) on an Athlon 64 3000+ w. an NF4 chipset. As far as sound goes, I'm using the integrated CK804 (w. snd-intel8x0 drivers) and an RME HDSP9652 (w. snd-hdsp). The questions: 1. I've read a lot about getting the IRQ of the soundcard to as high a priority as possible. How important is this? Is it possible with setpci if I reserve an IRQ in the BIOS, or only by swapping cards? 2. Should I enable or disable APIC? I've heard muddy answers, but what I know is that it always leaves my HDSP9652 at IRQ's from 16-20. Here's the output of cat /proc/interrupts. # cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 1556590 XT-PIC timer 0/56590 1: 3324 XT-PIC i8042 0/3324 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 0/0 3: 3948 XT-PIC NVidia CK804 0/3948 4: 0 XT-PIC hdsp 0/0 5: 97413 XT-PIC ohci_hcd, nvidia 0/97413 7: 0 XT-PIC parport0 0/0 8: 1 XT-PIC rtc 0/1 9: 0 XT-PIC acpi 0/0 10: 0 XT-PIC libata, ehci_hcd 0/0 11: 37516 XT-PIC libata, eth0 0/37516 12: 146561 XT-PIC i8042 0/46561 14: 15416 XT-PIC ide0 0/15416 15: 12105 XT-PIC ide1 0/12105 NMI: 0 LOC: 1556573 ERR: 0 MIS: 0 3. Would you recommend I set my first soundcard to be the CK804 or should I leave the RME as the first soundcard? 4. Should I just disable the CK804 and throw in an emu10k1? Becuase I could do that, too. Any help would be appreciated, and if I left something out, let me know. Thanks! -Nathan From bu at orbitel.bg Thu Nov 10 08:29:42 2005 From: bu at orbitel.bg (Petar Nedyalkov) Date: Thu Nov 10 08:30:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Terratec PHASE 28 Message-ID: <200511101529.48792.bu@orbitel.bg> Hello list, I've successfully installed ALSA on my server, having two Terratec PHASE 28 cards. The problem is that from all 8 sound outs, the mixer recognises as stereo pairs only four. The `amixer -c 0` output is as follows: Simple mixer control 'Master',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [on] Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [on] Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Limits: Playback 0 - 128 Mono: Playback 128 [100%] [on] Simple mixer control 'Front',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 127 Front Left: Playback 127 [100%] [on] Front Right: Playback 127 [100%] [on] Simple mixer control 'Center',0 Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Limits: Playback 0 - 127 Mono: Playback 127 [100%] [on] Simple mixer control 'LFE',0 Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Limits: Playback 0 - 127 Mono: Playback 127 [100%] [on] Simple mixer control 'Side',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 127 Front Left: Playback 127 [100%] [on] Front Right: Playback 127 [100%] [on] As you can see, the mixer controls Side and Front are stereo (i.e. have two channels), but the mixer controls Center and LFE are mono. The same goes to my second Terratec PHASE 28 card. Unfortunately, I had installed the same versions of ALSA and the channels were OK. But after I reinstalled my server - the Center and LFE stereo channels became mono. I'm using ALSA drivers 1.0.9, ALSA utils 1.0.9 and ALSA lib 1.0.9. Has anyone solved this problem? I need 4 stereo channels but not 2 stereo and 2 mono. -- Cyberly yours, Petar Nedyalkov Devoted Orbitel Fan :-) PGP ID: 7AE45436 PGP Public Key: http://bu.orbitel.bg/pgp/bu.asc PGP Fingerprint: 7923 8D52 B145 02E8 6F63 8BDA 2D3F 7C0B 7AE4 5436 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051110/3b384573/attachment-0001.bin From x at branwelt.de Thu Nov 10 08:33:21 2005 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Thu Nov 10 08:33:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: audacity jack In-Reply-To: <7e259480511091316g6f6e6649nb355f61aec04f3dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511081631.34001.holborn@telefonica.net> <4371CAB8.9040802@branwelt.de> <7e259480511091316g6f6e6649nb355f61aec04f3dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43734C21.10108@branwelt.de> James wrote: >(i didn't know until the other day that portaudio uses jack at all.) > > Only the development version (v19) of portaudio supports jack. You have to configure audacity with: --with-portaudio=v19 --without-portmixer Think it's a kind of bug of either audacity/portaudio, we will have to wait for it to mature. Now I tried to use alsas jack plugin, (and configured asound.conf accordingly) Without success: ## aplay -Djackplug kent.wav ALSA lib pcm.c:2052:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_jack.so aplay: main:533: audio open error: No such file or directory Has the jackplugin been removed from alsa 1.0.9b ? emanuel From v2 at iki.fi Thu Nov 10 08:47:32 2005 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Thu Nov 10 08:47:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Terratec PHASE 28 Message-ID: <1131630452.43734f744967b@www2.helsinki.fi> Quoting Petar Nedyalkov : > Hello list, > > I've successfully installed ALSA on my server, having two Terratec PHASE > 28 > cards. The problem is that from all 8 sound outs, the mixer recognises as > > stereo pairs only four. > > The `amixer -c 0` output is as follows: Isn't the Phase 28 based on the envy24 (ice1712) chip? You should try envy24control to control the soundcards. Sampo From bu at orbitel.bg Thu Nov 10 08:54:19 2005 From: bu at orbitel.bg (Petar Nedyalkov) Date: Thu Nov 10 08:54:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Terratec PHASE 28 In-Reply-To: <1131630452.43734f744967b@www2.helsinki.fi> References: <1131630452.43734f744967b@www2.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <200511101554.20056.bu@orbitel.bg> On Thursday 10 November 2005 15:47, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > Quoting Petar Nedyalkov : > > Hello list, > > > > I've successfully installed ALSA on my server, having two Terratec PHASE > > 28 > > cards. The problem is that from all 8 sound outs, the mixer recognises as > > > > stereo pairs only four. > > > > The `amixer -c 0` output is as follows: > > Isn't the Phase 28 based on the envy24 (ice1712) chip? You should try > envy24control to control the soundcards. No, it's ice1724 based. > > Sampo -- Cyberly yours, Petar Nedyalkov Devoted Orbitel Fan :-) PGP ID: 7AE45436 PGP Public Key: http://bu.orbitel.bg/pgp/bu.asc PGP Fingerprint: 7923 8D52 B145 02E8 6F63 8BDA 2D3F 7C0B 7AE4 5436 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051110/d6e0062a/attachment.bin From m_nels at gmx.net Thu Nov 10 09:17:35 2005 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Thu Nov 10 09:17:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... Message-ID: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> Hi all, I wondered if anyone could help me. I'm having problems starting JACK from Qjackctl. I'm running a current PlanetCCRMA FC3 setup, and my soundcard is an RME DIGI9636. I have appended the output which I get in Qjackctl's "messages". Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks Michael Nelson -- 14:01:12.797 Patchbay deactivated. 14:01:13.655 Statistics reset. 14:01:13.801 MIDI connection graph change. 14:01:14.134 MIDI connection change. 14:01:14.135 MIDI connection graph change. 14:12:44.803 Startup script... 14:12:44.803 artsshell -q terminate 14:12:45.267 Startup script terminated with exit status=256. 14:12:45.327 JACK is starting... 14:12:45.328 /usr/bin/jackd -v -R -dalsa -dhw:1,0 -r48000 -p512 -n2 14:12:45.338 JACK was started with PID=20739 (0x5103). cannot write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor) jackd: wait for startup process exit failed getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_oss.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_dummy.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_alsa.so jackd 0.99.36 Copyright 2001-2003 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. server `default' registered cannot lock down memory for jackd (Cannot allocate memory) loading driver .. apparent rate = 48000 creating alsa driver ... hw:1,0|hw:1,0|512|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:1 configuring for 48000Hz, period = 512 frames, buffer = 2 periods nperiods = 2 for capture nperiods = 2 for playback registered builtin port type 32 bit float mono audio required capabilities not available capabilities: = new client: alsa_pcm, id = 1 type 1 @ 0x805aa68 fd = -1 new buffer size 512 JACK: unable to mlock() port buffers: Cannot allocate memory registered port alsa_pcm:capture_1, offset = 2048 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_2, offset = 4096 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_3, offset = 6144 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_4, offset = 8192 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_5, offset = 10240 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_6, offset = 12288 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_7, offset = 14336 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_8, offset = 16384 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_9, offset = 18432 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_10, offset = 20480 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_11, offset = 22528 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_12, offset = 24576 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_13, offset = 26624 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_14, offset = 28672 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_15, offset = 30720 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_16, offset = 32768 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_17, offset = 34816 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_18, offset = 36864 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_1, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_2, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_3, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_4, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_5, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_6, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_7, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_8, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_9, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_10, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_11, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_12, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_13, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_14, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_15, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_16, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_17, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_18, offset = 0 ++ jack_rechain_graph(): client alsa_pcm: internal client, execution_order=0. -- jack_rechain_graph() jack_create_thread: error -1 switching current thread to rt for inheritance: Unknown error 4294967295 cannot start watchdog thread cannot load driver module alsa starting server engine shutdown 14:12:47.397 Could not connect to JACK server as client. could not attach as JACK client (server has exited) stopping driver 14:12:47.710 JACK was stopped successfully. -- From smassy at sdf.lonestar.org Thu Nov 10 09:32:06 2005 From: smassy at sdf.lonestar.org (S. Massy) Date: Thu Nov 10 09:32:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next? In-Reply-To: <43732B51.9050705@walescomputers.co.uk> References: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> <20051110030819.GB18423@kan> <5bdc1c8b0511091957x498ee3f9q5ac908c6c549ca18@mail.gmail.com> <43732B51.9050705@walescomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <20051110143206.GA26279@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 11:13:21AM +0000, studio-64 wrote: ... > HI > May be off topic at the moment but will be very on topic if they get > this in! > > Imagine sending a wav file to someone who then can't read it because you > can't attest the file! > > maybe even CD players that won't play certain CD's (made with > Audacity/Ardour come to mind) > > The rootkit is just the start I think. I totally agree; this was just a stupid, awkward, premature attempt at implementing something larger, most likely a quickfix while waiting for something else. Anybody caring about music, computers, and freedom, as I would guess most people do here, has got to be in on that one... Or they'll look pretty silly whenever someone manages to get some DECSS-like encryption on music-CDs, and ISPs are suddenly compelled by law to filter any audio file which doesn't sport an "approved" tag. Ultimately, it might geopardise, not only our ability to listen to music from our favourite artist/band/musician, but also to create our own music/audio art (at least without paying hefty sums to the big bullies). Keep your ears open, S.M. > > Cheers > Bob > > > > > > > > > Bearmusic > hearmymusic.co.uk > > > -- smassy@sdf.lonestar.org From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Nov 10 09:41:00 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Nov 10 09:38:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1131633660.10939.374.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 14:17 +0000, Michael T D Nelson wrote: > Hi all, > > I wondered if anyone could help me. I'm having problems starting JACK > from Qjackctl. I'm running a current PlanetCCRMA FC3 setup, and my > soundcard is an RME DIGI9636. > > I have appended the output which I get in Qjackctl's "messages". Does > anyone have any ideas? > go to the qjackctl setup dialog and make sure that the command to start jack is "jackd" and not "jackstart". "jackstart" is purely for 2.4- kernel based systems and should not be used on a 2.6-kernel based system. --p From m_nels at gmx.net Thu Nov 10 09:50:52 2005 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Thu Nov 10 09:50:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <1131633660.10939.374.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <1131633660.10939.374.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43735E4C.6050303@gmx.net> Paul Davis wrote: > go to the qjackctl setup dialog and make sure that the command to start > jack is "jackd" and not "jackstart". "jackstart" is purely for 2.4- > kernel based systems and should not be used on a 2.6-kernel based > system. Thanks for the prompt reply, but it's set to "jackd" already. It was working fine until a couple of weeks ago, when this started to happen. I would have posted sooner, but I've been pretty busy. Thanks Michael From robin at rektau.ukfsn.org Thu Nov 10 09:56:12 2005 From: robin at rektau.ukfsn.org (robin) Date: Thu Nov 10 09:55:31 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43735F8C.8080403@rektau.ukfsn.org> Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi, > Very off topic, but I thought it might be of interest to some. Even > commercial audio CDs are becoming unsafe. Please excuse the noise. > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2092&tag=nl.e539 > > Cheers, > Mark > > > Seems some legal action is commencing http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4424254.stm robin From acominu at tiscali.it Thu Nov 10 09:55:39 2005 From: acominu at tiscali.it (Comix) Date: Thu Nov 10 09:55:50 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack/Hydrogen problem In-Reply-To: <43710FB2.4070308@kolumbus.fi> References: <43710FB2.4070308@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <43735F6B.7000208@tiscali.it> Esa Linna wrote: > I start Jack with qjackctl and everything's fine with Ardour. But when > I try to start Hydrogen, it says "Error starting audio driver". I have > tried to change jack as audio driver and restart it, but the same > error message appears. With alsa driver it works fine. > > system information: > Mandriva LE 2005 > 2.6.11-9.mm.9mdk > > From the console (it says Jack is not running, though it is - and I am > not running jack as root): > > $ ./hydrogen > Warning: no locale found: > /home/linna/hydrogen-0.9.2-x86/bin/data/i18n/hydrogen.fi_FI > > Hydrogen 0.9.2-x86 [Jul 20 2005] [http://www.hydrogen-music.org] Hi, as I can see from the messages, you're using the binary installer. The binary installer is built using jack 0.100, make sure the installed jack version is the same and compiled with the default tmpdir (/dev/shm). Hope this helps. -- comix From conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de Thu Nov 10 09:58:43 2005 From: conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de (conrad =?utf-8?q?berh=C3=B6rster?=) Date: Thu Nov 10 10:02:56 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Terratec PHASE 28 In-Reply-To: <200511101529.48792.bu@orbitel.bg> References: <200511101529.48792.bu@orbitel.bg> Message-ID: <200511101558.43688.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> High Petar, you should update to ALSA 1.0.10. that helped me. can you record with your card? you can send me the complete amixer output offlist , if you want to. sizu c~ Am Donnerstag 10 November 2005 14:29 schrieb Petar Nedyalkov: > Hello list, > > I've successfully installed ALSA on my server, having two Terratec PHASE 28 > cards. The problem is that from all 8 sound outs, the mixer recognises as > stereo pairs only four. > > The `amixer -c 0` output is as follows: > > Simple mixer control 'Master',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pswitch > Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Playback 0 - 255 > Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [on] > Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [on] > Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Mono > Limits: Playback 0 - 128 > Mono: Playback 128 [100%] [on] > Simple mixer control 'Front',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pswitch > Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Playback 0 - 127 > Front Left: Playback 127 [100%] [on] > Front Right: Playback 127 [100%] [on] > Simple mixer control 'Center',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Mono > Limits: Playback 0 - 127 > Mono: Playback 127 [100%] [on] > Simple mixer control 'LFE',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Mono > Limits: Playback 0 - 127 > Mono: Playback 127 [100%] [on] > Simple mixer control 'Side',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pswitch > Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Playback 0 - 127 > Front Left: Playback 127 [100%] [on] > Front Right: Playback 127 [100%] [on] > > As you can see, the mixer controls Side and Front are stereo (i.e. have two > channels), but the mixer controls Center and LFE are mono. > > The same goes to my second Terratec PHASE 28 card. > > Unfortunately, I had installed the same versions of ALSA and the channels > were OK. But after I reinstalled my server - the Center and LFE stereo > channels became mono. > > I'm using ALSA drivers 1.0.9, ALSA utils 1.0.9 and ALSA lib 1.0.9. > > Has anyone solved this problem? I need 4 stereo channels but not 2 stereo > and 2 mono. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Nov 10 10:23:45 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Nov 10 10:22:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <43735E4C.6050303@gmx.net> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <1131633660.10939.374.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43735E4C.6050303@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1131636225.10939.376.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 14:50 +0000, Michael T D Nelson wrote: > Paul Davis wrote: > > go to the qjackctl setup dialog and make sure that the command to start > > jack is "jackd" and not "jackstart". "jackstart" is purely for 2.4- > > kernel based systems and should not be used on a 2.6-kernel based > > system. > > Thanks for the prompt reply, but it's set to "jackd" already. well then something is very confused. your error messages included a line about not being able to write to the jackstart sync pipe. did you install jackd as a normal CCRMA package? From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Nov 10 10:35:32 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare) Date: Thu Nov 10 10:35:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Audio CDs/DRM/Windows rootkit. What's next? In-Reply-To: <20051110143206.GA26279@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <5bdc1c8b0511020809t25b5599buf24d26ac1ce31392@mail.gmail.com> <20051110030819.GB18423@kan> <5bdc1c8b0511091957x498ee3f9q5ac908c6c549ca18@mail.gmail.com> <43732B51.9050705@walescomputers.co.uk> <20051110143206.GA26279@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Message-ID: <437368C4.6090307@poeticstudios.com> S. Massy wrote: >On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 11:13:21AM +0000, studio-64 wrote: >... > > >>HI >>May be off topic at the moment but will be very on topic if they get >>this in! >> >>Imagine sending a wav file to someone who then can't read it because you >>can't attest the file! >> >>maybe even CD players that won't play certain CD's (made with >>Audacity/Ardour come to mind) >> >>The rootkit is just the start I think. >> >> >I totally agree; this was just a stupid, awkward, premature attempt at >implementing something larger, most likely a quickfix while waiting for >something else. Anybody caring about music, computers, and freedom, as I >would guess most people do here, has got to be in on that one... Or >they'll look pretty silly whenever someone manages to get some >DECSS-like encryption on music-CDs, and ISPs are suddenly compelled by >law to filter any audio file which doesn't sport an "approved" tag. >Ultimately, it might geopardise, not only our ability to listen to music >from our favourite artist/band/musician, but also to create our own >music/audio art (at least without paying hefty sums to the big bullies). >Keep your ears open, >S.M. > > This could really happen. And you know why? Because the most of the people are fine with it. The brainwashing worked so well. As any right winged guy could tell you, the world isn't made of people anymore, but of good and bad customers. Beware, my friends! c. www.cesaremarilungo.com >>Cheers >>Bob >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bearmusic >> hearmymusic.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> > > > From m_nels at gmx.net Thu Nov 10 10:58:02 2005 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Thu Nov 10 10:58:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <1131636225.10939.376.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <1131633660.10939.374.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43735E4C.6050303@gmx.net> <1131636225.10939.376.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43736E0A.3020400@gmx.net> Paul Davis wrote: > On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 14:50 +0000, Michael T D Nelson wrote: >>Paul Davis wrote: >>>go to the qjackctl setup dialog and make sure that the command to start >>>jack is "jackd" and not "jackstart". "jackstart" is purely for 2.4- >>>kernel based systems and should not be used on a 2.6-kernel based >>>system. >> >>Thanks for the prompt reply, but it's set to "jackd" already. > > well then something is very confused. your error messages included a > line about not being able to write to the jackstart sync pipe. > > did you install jackd as a normal CCRMA package? Yep. And it was working fine until a couple of weeks ago. I don't think I have done anything untoward. The only software which I compile from source is completely unrelated to audio (things like OpenVPN, mainly for work). I have just noticed a recent thread on this list (started by Carlos Pino) with a very similar sounding problem. No solution yet, though... Thanks, Michael From roberts.noah at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 11:35:57 2005 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Thu Nov 10 11:36:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] verdict on edirol fw products In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60511090830h469308eeqa65a0580af8f29d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <567aa5f60511081108p22ae2877q2824c7827127a3eb@mail.gmail.com> <1559676042.20051109103416@gmail.com> <567aa5f60511090830h469308eeqa65a0580af8f29d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <567aa5f60511100835k73bab09co6908bea2a24f1f0c@mail.gmail.com> How about firewire support itself then? If I buy a supported firewire soundcard am I going to then find that my buss is not supported? That would suck. On 11/9/05, Noah Roberts wrote: > On 11/9/05, nescivi wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Tuesday, November 8, 2005, 8:08:58 PM, you wrote: > > > > NR> I am looking to purchase a nice soundcard for the laptop. What is the > > NR> verdict on the Edirol Firewire stuff? How about the USB2 stuff? I'm > > NR> especially interested in products like the FA101 or UA101. > > > > The UA101 is not supported, as it is USB2, but does not adhere to the > > USB audio standard. > > The device shows up as a Vendor Specific Type (in the USB descriptor), > > not as an audio device. I suppose a separate driver will need to be > > written for it, which probably won't succeed without information from > > Edirol. I am not sure what the current status is there. > > How is Edirol about Linux support? Do they provide documentation to > developers or are they tight asses about it? If they are tight asses, > is there a good sound system made by someone that is better about > supporting their customers' choice in OS? > From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Nov 10 11:51:52 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Thu Nov 10 11:51:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20051110175152.39f2d22b@mango.fruits.de> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:17:35 +0000 Michael T D Nelson wrote: > jack_create_thread: error -1 switching current thread to rt for > inheritance: Unknown error 4294967295 > cannot start watchdog thread Just a guess: Uncheck the realtime option in qjackctl's setupdialog or setup either - the realtime_lsm or - rtlimits Have fun, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From nescivi at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 14:00:16 2005 From: nescivi at gmail.com (Marije Baalman) Date: Thu Nov 10 12:00:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] verdict on edirol fw products In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60511100835k73bab09co6908bea2a24f1f0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <567aa5f60511081108p22ae2877q2824c7827127a3eb@mail.gmail.com> <1559676042.20051109103416@gmail.com> <567aa5f60511090830h469308eeqa65a0580af8f29d3@mail.gmail.com> <567aa5f60511100835k73bab09co6908bea2a24f1f0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <437398C0.1020705@gmail.com> Hiho, Noah Roberts wrote: >How about firewire support itself then? If I buy a supported firewire >soundcard am I going to then find that my buss is not supported? That >would suck. > > In development. The Freebob project is working on it, and if I remember correctly you should be able to find a thread about this in the archives of this list (or of the developers one), especially about the FA101. sincerely, Marije From plutek at infinity.net Thu Nov 10 12:04:02 2005 From: plutek at infinity.net (Peter Lutek) Date: Thu Nov 10 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <43736E0A.3020400@gmx.net> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <1131633660.10939.374.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43735E4C.6050303@gmx.net> <1131636225.10939.376.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43736E0A.3020400@gmx.net> Message-ID: <43737D82.5040108@infinity.net> Michael T D Nelson wrote: > Paul Davis wrote: > >> On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 14:50 +0000, Michael T D Nelson wrote: >> >>> Paul Davis wrote: >> > >>>> go to the qjackctl setup dialog and make sure that the command to >>>> start >>>> jack is "jackd" and not "jackstart". "jackstart" is purely for 2.4- >>>> kernel based systems and should not be used on a 2.6-kernel based >>>> system. >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the prompt reply, but it's set to "jackd" already. >> >> >> well then something is very confused. your error messages included a >> line about not being able to write to the jackstart sync pipe. >> >> did you install jackd as a normal CCRMA package? > > > Yep. And it was working fine until a couple of weeks ago. I don't > think I have done anything untoward. > > The only software which I compile from source is completely unrelated > to audio (things like OpenVPN, mainly for work). > > I have just noticed a recent thread on this list (started by Carlos > Pino) with a very similar sounding problem. > yes... i was in on that thread. i get the jackstart sync pipe error message when starting jackd with qjackctl, however it does start fine despite the error. when starting jackd with the same parameters, but from the commandline, i do not get the jackstart sync pipe error message. perhaps it's a qjackctl bug? -p From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 12:03:47 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Nov 10 12:03:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] APIC, IRQ, and an HDSP9652 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511100903q6b7c87b2u652fc26dc172a31d@mail.gmail.com> On 11/10/05, Nathan wrote: > Hi all, > This is my first post here, so hello everybody. I'm running > PlanetCCRMA's FC3 distro (low-latency kernel > 2.6.11-0.3.rdt.rhfc3.ccrma) on an Athlon 64 3000+ w. an NF4 chipset. > As far as sound goes, I'm using the integrated CK804 (w. snd-intel8x0 > drivers) and an RME HDSP9652 (w. snd-hdsp). > > The questions: > 1. I've read a lot about getting the IRQ of the soundcard to as high a > priority as possible. How important is this? Is it possible with > setpci if I reserve an IRQ in the BIOS, or only by swapping cards? > 2. Should I enable or disable APIC? I've heard muddy answers, but > what I know is that it always leaves my HDSP9652 at IRQ's from 16-20. > Here's the output of cat /proc/interrupts. > # cat /proc/interrupts > CPU0 > 0: 1556590 XT-PIC timer 0/56590 > 1: 3324 XT-PIC i8042 0/3324 > 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 0/0 > 3: 3948 XT-PIC NVidia CK804 0/3948 > 4: 0 XT-PIC hdsp 0/0 > 5: 97413 XT-PIC ohci_hcd, nvidia 0/97413 > 7: 0 XT-PIC parport0 0/0 > 8: 1 XT-PIC rtc 0/1 > 9: 0 XT-PIC acpi 0/0 > 10: 0 XT-PIC libata, ehci_hcd 0/0 > 11: 37516 XT-PIC libata, eth0 0/37516 > 12: 146561 XT-PIC i8042 0/46561 > 14: 15416 XT-PIC ide0 0/15416 > 15: 12105 XT-PIC ide1 0/12105 > NMI: 0 > LOC: 1556573 > ERR: 0 > MIS: 0 > > 3. Would you recommend I set my first soundcard to be the CK804 or > should I leave the RME as the first soundcard? > 4. Should I just disable the CK804 and throw in an emu10k1? Becuase I > could do that, too. > > Any help would be appreciated, and if I left something out, let me > know. Thanks! > -Nathan > > Hi Nathan, It sounds like we have almost identical hardware. I've got an NForce4 motherboard (A8N-E) and an AMD64 3000+ also. I have both sound cards working fine. Here's my Alsa config stuff: mark@lightning ~ $ cat /etc/modules.d/alsa # Alsa 0.9.X kernel modules' configuration file. # $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/media-sound/alsa-utils/files/alsa-modules.con f-rc,v 1.4 2004/11/16 01:31:22 eradicator Exp $ # ALSA portion alias char-major-116 snd # OSS/Free portion alias char-major-14 soundcore ## ## IMPORTANT: ## You need to customise this section for your specific sound card(s) ## and then run `update-modules' command. ## Read alsa-driver's INSTALL file in /usr/share/doc for more info. ## ## ALSA portion alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 options snd-intel8x0 index=0 alias snd-card-1 snd-hdsp options snd-hdsp index=1 ## OSS/Free portion alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 ## alias sound-slot-1 snd-card-1 ## # OSS/Free portion - card #1 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss ## OSS/Free portion - card #2 ## alias sound-service-1-0 snd-mixer-oss ## alias sound-service-1-3 snd-pcm-oss ## alias sound-service-1-12 snd-pcm-oss alias /dev/mixer snd-mixer-oss alias /dev/dsp snd-pcm-oss alias /dev/midi snd-seq-oss # Set this to the correct number of cards. options snd cards_limit=2 mark@lightning ~ $ This sets up the NVidia chip as the default sound device and the HDSP 9652 as secondary. I find this better for web browsing, etc. mark@lightning ~ $ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [CK804 ]: NFORCE - NVidia CK804 NVidia CK804 with ALC850 at 0xda103000, irq 225 1 [DSP ]: H-DSP - Hammerfall DSP RME Hammerfall HDSP 9652 at 0xda000000, irq 58 mark@lightning ~ $ My interrupts are considerably different: mark@lightning ~ $ cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 7802062 IO-APIC-edge timer 1: 1099 IO-APIC-edge i8042 7: 2 IO-APIC-edge lpptest 8: 100746 IO-APIC-edge rtc 9: 0 IO-APIC-level acpi 12: 47669 IO-APIC-edge i8042 14: 48 IO-APIC-edge ide0 50: 2 IO-APIC-level ehci_hcd:usb1 58: 0 IO-APIC-level hdsp 66: 2 IO-APIC-level ohci1394 217: 875032 IO-APIC-level ohci_hcd:usb2, eth0 225: 4615 IO-APIC-level libata, NVidia CK804 233: 71628 IO-APIC-level libata NMI: 218 LOC: 7801003 ERR: 1 MIS: 0 mark@lightning ~ $ Most likely this is due to my using a very new kernel: mark@lightning ~ $ uname -a Linux lightning 2.6.14-rt9 #1 PREEMPT Wed Nov 9 08:47:47 PST 2005 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux mark@lightning ~ $ I hope this helps. cheers, Mark From m_nels at gmx.net Thu Nov 10 12:05:37 2005 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Thu Nov 10 12:05:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <20051110175152.39f2d22b@mango.fruits.de> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <20051110175152.39f2d22b@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <43737DE1.5070209@gmx.net> Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:17:35 +0000 > Michael T D Nelson wrote: >>jack_create_thread: error -1 switching current thread to rt for >>inheritance: Unknown error 4294967295 >>cannot start watchdog thread > > Just a guess: > > Uncheck the realtime option in qjackctl's setupdialog Thanks. Well, if I uncheck the realtime opton, JACK will now start. But it worked fine up until a couple of weeks ago. I don't think that it coincided with any changes which I made, but I'll have to check that. I think I may have upgraded my kernel at some point (but only to a newer CCRMA kernel). Maybe it's time to reboot into thwe older kernel and see if the problem goes away... > or setup either > - the realtime_lsm > > or > > - rtlimits Well, if this turns out to be the problem, then I'll have to learn how to set one of these up I guess. Thanks Michael From rncbc at rncbc.org Thu Nov 10 12:32:44 2005 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Thu Nov 10 12:31:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <43737D82.5040108@infinity.net> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <1131633660.10939.374.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43735E4C.6050303@gmx.net> <1131636225.10939.376.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43736E0A.3020400@gmx.net> <43737D82.5040108@infinity.net> Message-ID: <4373843C.8030208@rncbc.org> Peter Lutek wrote: > Michael T D Nelson wrote: > >> Paul Davis wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 14:50 +0000, Michael T D Nelson wrote: >>> >>>> Paul Davis wrote: >>> >>> >> >>>>> go to the qjackctl setup dialog and make sure that the command to >>>>> start >>>>> jack is "jackd" and not "jackstart". "jackstart" is purely for 2.4- >>>>> kernel based systems and should not be used on a 2.6-kernel based >>>>> system. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for the prompt reply, but it's set to "jackd" already. >>> >>> >>> >>> well then something is very confused. your error messages included a >>> line about not being able to write to the jackstart sync pipe. >>> >>> did you install jackd as a normal CCRMA package? >> >> >> >> Yep. And it was working fine until a couple of weeks ago. I don't >> think I have done anything untoward. >> >> The only software which I compile from source is completely unrelated >> to audio (things like OpenVPN, mainly for work). >> >> I have just noticed a recent thread on this list (started by Carlos >> Pino) with a very similar sounding problem. >> > yes... i was in on that thread. i get the jackstart sync pipe error > message when starting jackd with qjackctl, however it does start fine > despite the error. when starting jackd with the same parameters, but > from the commandline, i do not get the jackstart sync pipe error > message. perhaps it's a qjackctl bug? > > -p Have you tried whether switching off standard output capture on qjackctl/setup/options makes any difference on that "jackstart sync pipe" issue? -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From roberts.noah at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 12:38:20 2005 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Thu Nov 10 12:38:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] verdict on edirol fw products In-Reply-To: <437398C0.1020705@gmail.com> References: <567aa5f60511081108p22ae2877q2824c7827127a3eb@mail.gmail.com> <1559676042.20051109103416@gmail.com> <567aa5f60511090830h469308eeqa65a0580af8f29d3@mail.gmail.com> <567aa5f60511100835k73bab09co6908bea2a24f1f0c@mail.gmail.com> <437398C0.1020705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <567aa5f60511100938qe82a062jf3e60ee7088abb03@mail.gmail.com> On 11/10/05, Marije Baalman wrote: > Hiho, > > Noah Roberts wrote: > > >How about firewire support itself then? If I buy a supported firewire > >soundcard am I going to then find that my buss is not supported? That > >would suck. > > > > > In development. > The Freebob project is working on it, and if I remember correctly you > should be able to find a thread about this in the archives of this list > (or of the developers one), especially about the FA101. Well, freebob is for the sound card right? I meant how likely is it that the firewire bus on the computer has a decently working driver? USB was pretty well supported before many USB devices ever worked, is it the same with firewire? From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Nov 10 13:54:50 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Nov 10 13:03:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <20051106092806.0fcd699d.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20051106092806.0fcd699d.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <200511101854.51017.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Saturday 05 November 2005 22:28, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > > Hi. Has anyone got sineshaper installed on FC3? I'm having the most > > terrible dependency problems. gtkmm, then glibmm, and the list of deps > > goes on and on. I thought that Fedora extras handled thes deps, but > > adding the urls to yum for the fedora extras hasn't solved it. Yum says > > gtkmm doesn't exist. I'm not knocking anything. I'd just like to get > > sineshaper working, as it sounds like a good synth. > > I tried on debian testing. All I had to do was install libglademm-2.4-dev > whcih pulld in some dependancies. Unfortunately debian doesn't have a > package for DSSI so I stopped there. > > Erik Hi Erik. I had to take a break from this, and have been messing with VSTi's, using Savihost under Wine, and that's going well. Back to Debian. This is on my Sarge install, using kernel 2.6.8-2-386. Installed libglademm-2.4-dev which picked up 18 dependencies and installed them all ok. Thanks to Lars Luthman I picked up all the DSSI stuff from http://willem.engen.nl/debian/ . Sineshaper works like a dream. It ain't got many knobs on it, but produces some really powerfull sounds. The one thing I found with it, is that after about 10 minutes lying idle it suddenly produces a sustained sound. Changing programs on the usb midi keyboard stops this. This is not a complaint. It was probably asking me to play with it more. Thanks for your help. Nigel. From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Nov 10 14:11:44 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Nov 10 13:19:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <1131236791.8290.2.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20051106092806.0fcd699d.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <1131236791.8290.2.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <200511101911.44356.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 06 November 2005 00:26, Lars Luthman wrote: > On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 09:28 +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > > Nigel Henry wrote: > > > Hi. Has anyone got sineshaper installed on FC3? I'm having the most > > > terrible dependency problems. gtkmm, then glibmm, and the list of deps > > > goes on and on. I thought that Fedora extras handled thes deps, but > > > adding the urls to yum for the fedora extras hasn't solved it. Yum says > > > gtkmm doesn't exist. I'm not knocking anything. I'd just like to get > > > sineshaper working, as it sounds like a good synth. > > > > I tried on debian testing. All I had to do was install libglademm-2.4-dev > > whcih pulld in some dependancies. Unfortunately debian doesn't have a > > package for DSSI so I stopped there. > > There are unofficial Debian packages for the DSSI development kit and > utilities as well as some plugins (including Sineshaper) here: > http://willem.engen.nl/debian/ Hi Lars. Sorry for the delay in replying. I've been messing with other stuff. Installing libglademm-2.4-dev as Erik de Castro Lopo suggested, and then the DSSI stuff from the link you supplied, Sineshaper is working really well, and I'm really impressed with it. Thanks for all your hard work, and also to those that contributed bits for it. Nigel. From m_nels at gmx.net Thu Nov 10 13:26:30 2005 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Thu Nov 10 13:26:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <4373843C.8030208@rncbc.org> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <1131633660.10939.374.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43735E4C.6050303@gmx.net> <1131636225.10939.376.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43736E0A.3020400@gmx.net> <43737D82.5040108@infinity.net> <4373843C.8030208@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <437390D6.80508@gmx.net> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > Have you tried whether switching off standard output capture on > qjackctl/setup/options makes any difference on that "jackstart sync > pipe" issue? I have now! :o) But no, it doesn't make a difference. All that happens now is that JACK tries to start, and then stops, without the messages between. As I mentioned elsewhere in this thread, turning off the real-time option allows JACK to start. But I am seeing a lot of XRUNs, which I didn't see before. Previously, JACK would run RT-enabled, with only occasional XRUNs. My machine is a P3 700MHz box, with over 600Mb of RAM and an RME DIGI9636. It is running an up-to-date PlanetCCRMA FC3 distribution. I believe I am using fairly conservative settings for JACK: /usr/bin/jackd -v -R -dalsa -dhw:1,0 -r48000 -p512 -n2 Regards Michael From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Nov 10 13:52:45 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Nov 10 13:52:52 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <437390D6.80508@gmx.net> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <1131633660.10939.374.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43735E4C.6050303@gmx.net> <1131636225.10939.376.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43736E0A.3020400@gmx.net> <43737D82.5040108@infinity.net> <4373843C.8030208@rncbc.org> <437390D6.80508@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1131648765.13889.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 18:26 +0000, Michael T D Nelson wrote: > Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > > Have you tried whether switching off standard output capture on > > qjackctl/setup/options makes any difference on that "jackstart sync > > pipe" issue? > > I have now! :o) > > But no, it doesn't make a difference. All that happens now is that JACK > tries to start, and then stops, without the messages between. i just remembered something. this has happened to me twice so far. something in some package update (i don't know which package) can mess up the /etc/modules.conf file. the result is that the required kernel module for realtime-lsm does not load. i had to go in to the file with emacs, delete the "realtime" line and reenter it by hand (it ends up with binary characters present in the line, invisible to the naked eye). i discovered this by looking at /var/log/messages, and also by noting that "realtime" doesn't show up in lsmod's output. i wish i could spare the time to find out which package cause(s|d) this, but i can't. --p From Favio at gmx.net Thu Nov 10 13:57:52 2005 From: Favio at gmx.net (Favio@gmx.net) Date: Thu Nov 10 13:57:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Frontier Design Tranzport working References: <4354FB9D.6070003@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <8469.1131649072@www84.gmx.net> Cheers, I will have a look at PD now > --- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht --- > Von: Jon Stutters > An: A list for linux audio users > Betreff: Re: [linux-audio-user] Frontier Design Tranzport working > Datum: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:41:49 +0100 > > Favio@gmx.net wrote: > > Does anyone of you know an open source program (also for XP if > possible), > > which follows the same concept as audiomulch? > > Can't think of any direct replacements. However, a lot of the > functionality could be recreated in PD, ie. make up abstractions for > each of the AM contraptions, come up with a way of routing control > information from arrays to parameters. Whether this will be an adequate > replacement depends on how much of an Audiomulch power user you are. > > Jonny > www.jeremah.co.uk > -- Favio Masulli y Becker Contact: 07840 185 746 MSN : protoolz@hotmail.co.uk From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Nov 10 14:51:00 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Nov 10 14:00:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <43737DE1.5070209@gmx.net> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <20051110175152.39f2d22b@mango.fruits.de> <43737DE1.5070209@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200511101951.00088.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Thursday 10 November 2005 17:05, Michael T D Nelson wrote: > Florian Schmidt wrote: > > On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:17:35 +0000 > > > > Michael T D Nelson wrote: > >>jack_create_thread: error -1 switching current thread to rt for > >>inheritance: Unknown error 4294967295 > >>cannot start watchdog thread > > > > Just a guess: > > > > Uncheck the realtime option in qjackctl's setupdialog > > Thanks. Well, if I uncheck the realtime opton, JACK will now start. But > it worked fine up until a couple of weeks ago. > > I don't think that it coincided with any changes which I made, but I'll > have to check that. I think I may have upgraded my kernel at some point > (but only to a newer CCRMA kernel). > > Maybe it's time to reboot into thwe older kernel and see if the problem > goes away... > > > or setup either > > - the realtime_lsm > > > > or > > > > - rtlimits > > Well, if this turns out to be the problem, then I'll have to learn how > to set one of these up I guess. > > Thanks > Michael Hi Michael. Would you check out. rpm -q rtirq and rpm -q rtload These two packages should have been installed when you installed planetccrma-core with apt-get install planetcccrma-core , and the accompanying low latency kernel with apt-get install planetccrma-core-edge . These two packages "rtirq" and "rtload" are responsible for realtime working with planetccrma kernels. All the best. Nigel. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Nov 10 14:02:06 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Nov 10 14:06:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1131649326.8383.174.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 14:17 +0000, Michael T D Nelson wrote: > jack_create_thread: error -1 switching current thread to rt for > inheritance: Unknown error 4294967295 I am having the same problem on a customer's machine. JACK starts OK but the client gets this error. Never was able to find the solution. Check the archives, it looks like no one has ever been able to figure out what this "error -1 switching current thread to rt" problem is. I think it has something to do with JACK being compiled for capabilities on a non-capabilities enabled kernel, or something. Lee From m_nels at gmx.net Thu Nov 10 14:08:08 2005 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Thu Nov 10 14:09:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <437390D6.80508@gmx.net> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <1131633660.10939.374.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43735E4C.6050303@gmx.net> <1131636225.10939.376.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43736E0A.3020400@gmx.net> <43737D82.5040108@infinity.net> <4373843C.8030208@rncbc.org> <437390D6.80508@gmx.net> Message-ID: <43739A98.308@gmx.net> Michael T D Nelson wrote: > Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > >> Have you tried whether switching off standard output capture on >> qjackctl/setup/options makes any difference on that "jackstart sync >> pipe" issue? My last answer may have been confused. I have had another problem starting Jack, which I have a workaround for. Just the last time I tried it, I believe that was stopping me. Now, after clearing up that problem - by removing /var/lib/jack/tmp/jack-500/default/jack-ack-fifo* files, and rebooting, I found that jack will start as well as it always did, waith the original settings. However, I was fully aware of this problem, and it wasn't happening earlier - it's a different error message (which I didn't spot this time, because I was suppressing stdout...) Anyway, my system is working fine, but I am not aware of anything that I have done differently this time. I tried all of the same things before. Thanks Michael From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Nov 10 14:13:33 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Nov 10 14:15:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1131650014.8383.178.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 14:17 +0000, Michael T D Nelson wrote: > jack_create_thread: error -1 switching current thread to rt for > inheritance: Unknown error 4294967295 > cannot start watchdog thread Hmm, was the code that generated this error message ripped out of JACK recently? I just grepped my source tree and there's no occurence of "jack_create_thread", "switching current thread to rt", or "inheritance" whatsoever. There is a "jack_client_create_thread" however. So maybe the problem is a mismatch between client and server JACK versions? Maybe your upgrade pulled in an older version of JACK. Lee From plutek at infinity.net Thu Nov 10 14:34:53 2005 From: plutek at infinity.net (Peter Lutek) Date: Thu Nov 10 14:34:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <4373843C.8030208@rncbc.org> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <1131633660.10939.374.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43735E4C.6050303@gmx.net> <1131636225.10939.376.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43736E0A.3020400@gmx.net> <43737D82.5040108@infinity.net> <4373843C.8030208@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <4373A0DD.2060200@infinity.net> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > Peter Lutek wrote: > >> Michael T D Nelson wrote: >> >>> Paul Davis wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 14:50 +0000, Michael T D Nelson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Paul Davis wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>> go to the qjackctl setup dialog and make sure that the command to >>>>>> start >>>>>> jack is "jackd" and not "jackstart". "jackstart" is purely for 2.4- >>>>>> kernel based systems and should not be used on a 2.6-kernel based >>>>>> system. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the prompt reply, but it's set to "jackd" already. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> well then something is very confused. your error messages included a >>>> line about not being able to write to the jackstart sync pipe. >>>> >>>> did you install jackd as a normal CCRMA package? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yep. And it was working fine until a couple of weeks ago. I don't >>> think I have done anything untoward. >>> >>> The only software which I compile from source is completely >>> unrelated to audio (things like OpenVPN, mainly for work). >>> >>> I have just noticed a recent thread on this list (started by Carlos >>> Pino) with a very similar sounding problem. >>> >> yes... i was in on that thread. i get the jackstart sync pipe error >> message when starting jackd with qjackctl, however it does start fine >> despite the error. when starting jackd with the same parameters, but >> from the commandline, i do not get the jackstart sync pipe error >> message. perhaps it's a qjackctl bug? >> >> -p > > > Have you tried whether switching off standard output capture on > qjackctl/setup/options makes any difference on that "jackstart sync > pipe" issue? hmm... seems to make it go away, but is that just because the error message is no longer being echoed to the message window? when i start qjackctl from a terminal window, i don't any messages in the terminal about jack status anyway, so it's hard to tell. -p From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Nov 10 15:37:30 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Nov 10 14:46:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terrible sineshaper dependencies In-Reply-To: <1131248112.29726.14.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <200511052248.21475.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1131248112.29726.14.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <200511102037.30122.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 06 November 2005 03:35, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 22:48 +0000, Nigel Henry wrote: > > Hi. Has anyone got sineshaper installed on FC3? I'm having the most > > terrible dependency problems. gtkmm, then glibmm, and the list of deps > > goes on and on. I thought that Fedora extras handled thes deps, but > > adding the urls to yum for the fedora extras hasn't solved it. Yum says > > gtkmm doesn't exist. > > The proper package to install from Fedora Extras would be: > > yum install libglademm24-devel > > That will pull in all the proper dependencies... > But that will not be enough, see below. > > > I'm not > > knocking anything. I'd just like to get sineshaper working, as it sounds > > like a good synth. Any tips, hints. Nigel. > > In FC3 the gtk2 packages in the core distribution are not new enough to > support the required version of libglademm and friends (2.4.x vs. > 2.6.x). So, there are packages for all the required stuff in Fedora > Extras but the versions are not new enough[*] for fc3. It looks like fc4 > has newer stuff that would work (I have not tried)... > > Upgrading gtk2 in fc3 would not be impossible (so that all other > packages can go up in version), but such a central package usually has a > lot of dependencies (ie: other packages that depend on it) that are > sometimes broken by new versions - so then you need to upgrade the > dependencies and so on and so forth. When I have tried to do this in the > past it has not been worth the effort. > > -- Fernando > > [*] or, for proper Fedora bashing, they are, perhaps, "terribly > antiquated" or "older than dirt"? :-) ;-) :-) Hi Fernando. I've got Sineshaper working on Debian Sarge thanks to a lot of help. Libglademm-2.4-dev needed the following deps. pkg-config, libglib 2.0-dev, libatk 1.0-dev, libexpat 1-dev, libfreetype 6-dev, libfontconfig1-dev, libxft-dev, libpango 1.0-dev, libgtk2.0-dev, libxml2-dev, libglade2-dev, libsigc++-2.0-0, libglibmm-2.4-1, libgtkmm-2.4-1, libglademm-2.4-1, libsigc++-2.0-dev, libglibmm-2.4-dev, libgtkmm-2.4-dev. I'd like to say that I'm very happy with FC1, 2, and 3, with audio apps from planetccrma. I'm going to DL FC4, but as FC3 took me 5 days on dialup to DL the iso's, I have to psych myself up a bit for another 5 days worth. Sineshaper is a really nice synth, but it's not worth pushing yourself into mental overload to get it to work on Fedora. Thanks for all your work on the audio apps. Nigel. From m_nels at gmx.net Thu Nov 10 15:08:31 2005 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Thu Nov 10 15:08:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <200511101951.00088.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <20051110175152.39f2d22b@mango.fruits.de> <43737DE1.5070209@gmx.net> <200511101951.00088.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <4373A8BF.1070504@gmx.net> Nigel Henry wrote: > Hi Michael. Would you check out. > rpm -q rtirq > and > rpm -q rtload # rpm -q rtirq rtirq-20050620-1.rhfc3.ccrma # rpm -q rtload rtload-0.0.2-1.rhfc3.ccrma I'm not sure what I'm looking for. Did you just want me to check whether the packages are installed? Or are the versions significant? I should point out that (as I have said elsewhere in this thread) my problem now seems to be resolved, although I do not yet know why! Thanks Michael From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Nov 10 16:20:54 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Nov 10 15:30:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <4373A8BF.1070504@gmx.net> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <200511101951.00088.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <4373A8BF.1070504@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200511102120.54238.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Thursday 10 November 2005 20:08, Michael T D Nelson wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > > Hi Michael. Would you check out. > > > > rpm -q rtirq > > and > > rpm -q rtload > > # rpm -q rtirq > rtirq-20050620-1.rhfc3.ccrma > # rpm -q rtload > rtload-0.0.2-1.rhfc3.ccrma > > I'm not sure what I'm looking for. Did you just want me to check whether > the packages are installed? Or are the versions significant? > > I should point out that (as I have said elsewhere in this thread) my > problem now seems to be resolved, although I do not yet know why! > > Thanks > Michael Hi Michael. Mainly to check that the packages were installed, but I'm glad you've got the problem fixed. Nigel. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 15:37:19 2005 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Nov 10 15:36:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] lash-enabled sample player Message-ID: <4373AF7F.6000504@gmail.com> Hi I'm the happy user of om/lash/jack. Occationally I'd like to trigger samples (multisamples would be nice, although single samples would be ok if their pitch can be altered). What are my options if I'd like to keep things session-able from lash? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From fritz at fritzmetal.de Thu Nov 10 16:38:36 2005 From: fritz at fritzmetal.de (fritz@fritzmetal.de) Date: Thu Nov 10 16:38:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello! Prob with musix and Gina24 In-Reply-To: <200511072228.25407.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> References: <436A7171.8030907@fritzmetal.de> <1131390613.8383.86.camel@mindpipe> <200511072145.02283.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <200511072228.25407.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <4373BDDC.5080600@fritzmetal.de> Hi Marcos, thanx a lot. I will ask more stuff on the Musix list. Best wishes, FRitz Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > On Monday 07 November 2005 21:45, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > >>On Monday 07 November 2005 20:10, Lee Revell wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 15:57 +0100, fritz@fritzmetal.de wrote: >>> >>>Try "modprobe snd-gina24" as root, then run "alsamixer". >>> >>>Lee >> >>That's right: Musix has kernel2.6.13 from DeMuDi, so > > > I forgot to say that the kernel 2.6.13 works only if the Musix OS is installed > on HD. > > Musix's mailing list: > > http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/musix-users > > >>/lib/modules/2.6.13-1-multimedia-386/updates/alsa/pci/echoaudio/snd-gina20. >>ko >>/lib/modules/2.6.13-1-multimedia-386/updates/alsa/pci/echoaudio/snd-gina24. >>ko > > From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Nov 10 18:22:40 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Nov 10 17:32:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Icons required for DSSI plugins Message-ID: <200511102322.40535.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Hi Folks. Anyone got any icons for the following synths? Hexter Xsynth Fluidsynth Whysynth Sineshaper Smack If not, I'll have to get back on KDE's icon editor. (Not really up to speed with GIMP). Nigel. From b0ef at esben-stien.name Thu Nov 10 21:08:24 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu Nov 10 19:13:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Icons required for DSSI plugins In-Reply-To: <200511102322.40535.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> (Nigel Henry's message of "Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:22:40 +0000") References: <200511102322.40535.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <874q6k6inb.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Nigel Henry writes: > I'll have to get back [..] (to) icon editor Please consider using SVG instead of raster. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Thu Nov 10 19:17:42 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Thu Nov 10 19:17:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux gets to No 1 in charts!! Message-ID: <4373E326.5090706@walescomputers.co.uk> HI Just thought I'd point out that we made No 1 on this chart ( about no 2 or 3 at the moment) all made witn Open sourse (64Studio, Ardour, and Jamin) http://www.projectoverseer.biz/modules.php?name=Daily_Chart You dont need to login I thought it was our weakest song but there you go!! Cheers Bob Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Nov 10 20:39:49 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Nov 10 19:52:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Icons required for DSSI plugins In-Reply-To: <874q6k6inb.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <200511102322.40535.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <874q6k6inb.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <200511110139.49214.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 11 November 2005 02:08, Esben Stien wrote: > Nigel Henry writes: > > I'll have to get back [..] (to) icon editor > > Please consider using SVG instead of raster. Hi Esben. Please excuse my ignorance, but could you elaborate on your reply. Nigel. From pdman at aproximation.org Thu Nov 10 20:05:25 2005 From: pdman at aproximation.org (thewade) Date: Thu Nov 10 20:05:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ingo's RT patch: please tell this newbie the best jack settings Message-ID: <4373EE55.2050609@aproximation.org> Hello, I have given up on the mainstream Fedora 4 kernel and am trying to build 2.6.14-rt5. So far I can get it built and running, but without jack it seems. I am wondering what are the best settings for jack using Ingo's RT patch: how do I make the most of the patch? (I am trying to use CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y) I use qjackctl and my .jackrc is: /usr/local/bin/jackd -u -dalsa -dhw:1 -r48000 -p128 -n2 -m -H -M hw:1 corresponds to the card number from /proc/asound/cards associated with my RME Hammerfall Multiface. I may have to change my .asoundrc as in the mainstream kernel cards 0 and 1 are switched for some reason (if that is what is sotpping jackd). The only message I get is something to the effect of NTpolltime timed out, or something... My biggest question is not how to get jackd working - I will fix that. I am curious how to get PD running on my machine processing complex patches but with a latency of 5.33 msec (128 frame buffer size I think) or less. I would even settle fo 10msec (256) with no XRUNS. Thank you all for your help! -thewade From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Nov 10 20:10:20 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Nov 10 20:12:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ingo's RT patch: please tell this newbie the best jack settings In-Reply-To: <4373EE55.2050609@aproximation.org> References: <4373EE55.2050609@aproximation.org> Message-ID: <1131671421.5758.2.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 17:05 -0800, thewade wrote: > I am curious how to get PD running on my machine > processing complex patches but with a latency of 5.33 msec (128 frame > buffer size I think) or less. I would even settle fo 10msec (256) with > no XRUNS. > You don't need the -rt kernel for that, the standard kernel will work. Lee From tompoe at studioforrecording.org Thu Nov 10 20:35:29 2005 From: tompoe at studioforrecording.org (Tom Poe) Date: Thu Nov 10 20:34:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux gets to No 1 in charts!! In-Reply-To: <4373E326.5090706@walescomputers.co.uk> References: <4373E326.5090706@walescomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <4373F561.1070407@studioforrecording.org> studio-64 offered the following on 11/10/2005 06:17 PM: > HI > Just thought I'd point out that we made No 1 on this chart ( about no 2 > or 3 at the moment) all made witn Open sourse > > (64Studio, Ardour, and Jamin) > > > http://www.projectoverseer.biz/modules.php?name=Daily_Chart > > > You dont need to login > > I thought it was our weakest song but there you go!! > > Cheers > Bob > > > > > Bearmusic > hearmymusic.co.uk > > > Do you know who's behind the site? Tom -- Open Studios, Charles City, Iowa, USA www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: tompoe.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 293 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051110/a29ba3a9/tompoe.vcf From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 20:57:12 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Nov 10 20:57:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Update on savihost + Vsti's under wine In-Reply-To: <200511092329.02190.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511081803h15fb652fnef83dc7513e2905e@mail.gmail.com> <200511092329.02190.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511101757p4bfe3320w32bfe7585c190162@mail.gmail.com> On 11/9/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Wednesday 09 November 2005 02:03, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 11/8/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > Hi Mark. Right. Here goes. This is on FC2, not Gentoo. I'll have a go on > > > Gentoo when I get the time. Wine is version 0.9-1fc2winehq, savihost is > > > version 1.23. I borrowed mfc42.dll from my XP install and put it > > > in .wine/drive_c/windows/system32. Savihost.exe I put in the program > > > files, and also put Lin-Plugs FreeAlpha synth's .dll in there. Renamed > > > savihosts .exe to FreeAlpha, and it worked first go. Now FreeAlpha synth > > > has a separate file for it's patches. it will only use the default patch > > > that is on the synth But it works. I've been trying a lot of freebie > > > synths, and notice that they use a lot of cpu. Ksim is showing, when > > > idle, between 70 & 80% cpu useage, and yet the synth itself only shows > > > less than 5% cpu useage. VirSyn's MicroTERA. a free synth uses 100% cpu. > > > Not enough to freeze the mouse, and even though I did get some sounds out > > > of it, it would not load the sound bank. Native Instruments Reactor > > > Session One 4.0, another freebie fully operational synth. When installed, > > > this has a .exe and a .dll. Running the .exe brings up the GUI, but the > > > only menu item that works is the one for sample rate, so cannot connect > > > usb midi keyboard or audio output. The .dll through savihost works fine, > > > but again at idle, is showing 50% cpu on Ksim, and the synth is showing > > > about 18.8%. The complete patch bank is available on this synth. Single > > > notes play ok, but push the cpu on Ksim to about 95%. Chords push the cpu > > > useage to 100%+ and become quite broken up. All in all, I'm very happy > > > with the way this is going. Hardly anything worked on > > > wine-20041019-1fc2winehq, but 0.9-1fc2winehq has certainly made more > > > things work. One observation. I tried crystal.dll on numerous occasions, > > > and it would not open. At that time only mfc42.dll was in the system32 > > > directory. After installing Reactor Session One synth, and perhaps > > > something else, more .dll's turned up in system32. I thought I'd try > > > crystal synth again, and this time it worked. The extra .dll's are listed > > > below. > > > msvcirt.dll > > > MSVCP60.DLL > > > Msvcrt.dll > > > > > > Here are a few of the freebie synths I tried, and which worked ok with > > > savihost. > > > Triangle I & Triangle II from http://www.rgcaudio.com > > > Interruptor Dub Siren from http://www.interruptor.ch > > > JXPlugins JX220 from http://www.jxplugins.co.uk > > > LFObia Mocheese from http://www.electronicscene.com/elektracidz > > > LRsynths Trionimox from http://www.alphastrike.de > > > Psychic Modulation Pandemonium from http://www.psychicmodulation.com > > > Tobybear Screamer from http://www.tobybear.de > > > LinPlug Free Alpha from http://www.linplug.com > > > > > > I'd be really interested in knowing why these synths use so much cpu when > > > just lying idle. Nigel. > > > > > > Machine: Aiii-friend 1.3Ghz, 1GB Ram, Audigy2 soundblaster, Built-in > > > Cyberblade i1 graphics. > > > > Hi Nigel, > > Hey - you've been busy! > > > > I had a couple of minutes so I fired up Savihost using Triangle 1 > > and Crystal to see if I could duplicate your results. For those synths > > I see (using top) > > > > Triangle 1 - 6% usr, 6%sys > > Crystal - 20% usr, 80% sys > > > > This is on an AMD64 3000+ machine. > > > > Since Savihost is the main app in both cases (just renamed to the > > dll name) then the difference has to be something in the way the dll > > is written. (duh...) How we find that I'm not so sure. What I need is > > an app that shows CPU usage by thread or process I suppose. > > > > I'll ask about that on the Wine lists and see what I find out. > > > > Assuming that we do find out something then possibly one day the > > Wine developers (or kernel developers) can do something about it. > > > > Note that in both cases above I ended up using the OSS seting in > > winecfg. The Jack interface doesn't work at all and the Alsa interface > > seemed to have an awful lot of noise. The kernel is 2.6.14-rt6, Ingo's > > latest and the machine is Gentoo based. > > > > I have the Alpha demo downloaded but I haven't installed it yet. > > > > I think we need to work on a way to report this info, and maybe a > > place to store it online. I can see a Wiki where we all can enter > > numbers as being of value, assuming it starys clean. > > > > Cheers, > > Mark > Hi Mark. A Wiki is the best option for keeping this info. As you say it needs > to be kept clean, and I'd suggest registration to add or make alterations to > pages in it. I wish I could help to set it up, but have no idea how to go > about setting up a Wiki or a webserver. My Apache webserver I've tried out > once with my son, but on dialup it's a bit of a no-go anyway. > > The kernel I am using is from planetccrma. 2.6.10-0.4.rdt.rhfc2.ccrma (32bit). > Having finished playing with vst apps a while back, I went to start qjackctl. > It doesn't want to know, throwing back "the capture device "hw0" is already > in use. A bit confused I run ps auxw, and this shows 5 active pid's for wine. > I have, pid 4288 for /usr/bin/wine-preloader /usr/bin/wine-pthread C:\Program > Files\Native. Also, pid 4291 for /usr/bin/wineserver, and the rest are > using /usr/bin/wine-preloader /usr/bin/wine-pthread /home/djmons/.wine/driv. > Kiliing these and running ps auxw again shows the same pid's still there, but > with the comment "defunkt" . Normally you kill a pid, run ps auxw again and > the pid ids gone. Qjackctl still won't start jack. I had to do a windoze > style reboot to clear this stuff. Thank you by the way for "top". I havn't > used this before. Right. I've rebooted, and go to wines program files. Start > up Crystal through savihost with top running. Ksim at idle shows an average > of 26% cpu. With top, wineserver is showing an average of 10.5%, and > wine-preloader an average of 7.6%. Playing Crystal pushes the cpu up to about > 50%. I mean. This ain't too bad. Wine-preloader has gone up to about 13.3% > cpu and is staying there after a few minutes. Wineserver has stayed at the > same cpu level. Closed Crystal and now lost wineserver and wine-preloader > from the top output (which is as it should be). Cpu now running at an average > of 3%. Start Triangle I . Wineserver's cpu about the same as Crystal. > Wine-preloader up a bit, 8.6%. Playing Triangle I pushes the cpu to about 53% > max. Closed Triangle I, and lost wine pid's from top. Tried qjackctl and > starting jack, and no problems. Right. Last try, as I don't want to use > synths that you don't have. Start FreeAlpha. No big difference here. cpu > useage about the same as the others. FreeAlpha being polyphonic surprisingly > only max'd at about 41% cpu when played. None of this seems too bad. I still > can't understand why I had 5 pid's still running for wine in ps auxw. the > only other bits I'd run from the wine program files were, a pdf manual, and a > MS word .doc through open office for another synth manual. Now I recorded a > bit on one synth and saved it as .wav. But the next question is. How do I > port the output from a VSTi running under savihost and wine, to an app like > Ardour? Thats a whole new ball game. Nigel. > Hi Nigel, Maybe you can check this out on your end. Run 'winecfg' and change the audio driver from the default OSS driver to the Alsa driver. Exit winecfg and now run Crystal using Savihost. On my end it no longer uses 100% CPU. I'm off for dinner now. I'll check back in later to see if anyone else gets the same results. I have no idea what the everyday usage implications would be of using Alsa directly vs. using the OSS driver. I guess we can talk about that. Cheers, Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Nov 10 21:18:47 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Nov 10 21:20:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Update on savihost + Vsti's under wine In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511101757p4bfe3320w32bfe7585c190162@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511081803h15fb652fnef83dc7513e2905e@mail.gmail.com> <200511092329.02190.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511101757p4bfe3320w32bfe7585c190162@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1131675528.5758.16.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 17:57 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > Maybe you can check this out on your end. Run 'winecfg' and change > the audio driver from the default OSS driver to the Alsa driver. Exit > winecfg and now run Crystal using Savihost. On my end it no longer > uses 100% CPU. > Wine should be using ALSA by default - same as all the major distros and all new Linux audio apps. Can you report this as a bug to the Wine developers? Lee From Stuart.Allie at hydro.com.au Thu Nov 10 21:47:58 2005 From: Stuart.Allie at hydro.com.au (Stuart Allie) Date: Thu Nov 10 21:54:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New track, old tracks updated Message-ID: <3FFEDE09D8DF1C4F8DAC977A920A76B60CFC9D6D@swhexprod.hydrotasmania.com.au> Hi All, New music at http://allie.opensrc.org Finally got a new track to put up. "Haunted Hope" is the piece I am most happy with to date. It is a bit different to to my previous work - more melodic, more interesting harmonically and rythmically. (I think so anyway). It was also composed and mixed differently, using muse and ardour for the first time. Because of instabilities with ardour on my machine, the final mix ended up being done with ecasound. (I've got a mostly-working python script to read the ardour file and produce an almost-equivalent ecasound ecs file.) Midi files: I've uploaded midi files for each of the 4 pieces on my site - they are in the midi_files directory. Please feel free to download the midi files and use them in whatever way you like. I'd be *really* interested in hearing other people's renderings of the pieces. MP3 files: I've added mp3 versions of each track for those that prefer that format. They are available in the mp3 directory. New Mixes: Updated mixes of the first 3 pieces, "Can't Beat Them", "Takes Two", and "Feeling Slow". The changes include: * More interesting drum and bass lines. * Better drum sounds (Natural Studio nskit7). * Better mixing and mastering after doing some actual reading on the subject. * New synth sounds - using ams and zynaddsubfx now. Both are fantastic softsynths. If you heard these pieces before I'd love to hear your comments on the new mixes. Also, on my wiki page at musicians.opensrc.org I've put a list of gear I am thinking of buying over the next year or so. I'd welcome any comments people have on quality/value-for-money/suitability etc. Cheers, Stuart From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 22:42:14 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Nov 10 22:42:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Update on savihost + Vsti's under wine In-Reply-To: <1131675528.5758.16.camel@mindpipe> References: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511081803h15fb652fnef83dc7513e2905e@mail.gmail.com> <200511092329.02190.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511101757p4bfe3320w32bfe7585c190162@mail.gmail.com> <1131675528.5758.16.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511101942t41eb1beflc070b95ed87a7b37@mail.gmail.com> On 11/10/05, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 17:57 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Maybe you can check this out on your end. Run 'winecfg' and change > > the audio driver from the default OSS driver to the Alsa driver. Exit > > winecfg and now run Crystal using Savihost. On my end it no longer > > uses 100% CPU. > > > > Wine should be using ALSA by default - same as all the major distros and > all new Linux audio apps. Can you report this as a bug to the Wine > developers? > > Lee Done: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3808 Cheers, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 23:03:59 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Nov 10 23:04:04 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ingo's RT patch: please tell this newbie the best jack settings In-Reply-To: <4373EE55.2050609@aproximation.org> References: <4373EE55.2050609@aproximation.org> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511102003q29f5542bp133acfb6589d4d5f@mail.gmail.com> On 11/10/05, thewade wrote: > Hello, > > I have given up on the mainstream Fedora 4 kernel and am trying to build > 2.6.14-rt5. So far I can get it built and running, but without jack it > seems. > > I am wondering what are the best settings for jack using Ingo's RT > patch: how do I make the most of the patch? > (I am trying to use CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y) > I use qjackctl and my .jackrc is: /usr/local/bin/jackd -u -dalsa -dhw:1 > -r48000 -p128 -n2 -m -H -M > hw:1 corresponds to the card number from /proc/asound/cards associated > with my RME Hammerfall Multiface. > > I may have to change my .asoundrc as in the mainstream kernel cards 0 > and 1 are switched for some reason (if that is what is sotpping jackd). > The only message I get is something to the effect of NTpolltime timed > out, or something... My biggest question is not how to get jackd working > - I will fix that. I am curious how to get PD running on my machine > processing complex patches but with a latency of 5.33 msec (128 frame > buffer size I think) or less. I would even settle fo 10msec (256) with > no XRUNS. > > Thank you all for your help! > -thewade > Hi, A few comments: 1) The current kernel from Ingo would be 2.4.16-rt9. I think that rt5 didn;t last very long and had some problems. Please try -rt9. 2) Make sure you reinstall the realtime-lsm package after building that kernel. 3) Make sure you create a realtime group and modprobe realtime to enable that group: modprobe realtime gid=600 any=1 where gid=600 is for my realtime group in /etc/groups. 4) Making best use of the kernel requires that you understand the ISR number for your sound card and reset it's priority higher. This helps a lot in reducing or eliminating xruns. 5) Remove .jackrc completely and let your system set a new one. 6) Here are my HDSP 9652 settings: jackd -R -p 64 -d alsa -r 44100 -p 64 -n2 -d hw:1,0 I get a few xruns at -p 64 -n2. I get none at -p 256 -n 2. I am still looking for the root cause of the few xruns I get at 64/2. 7) Make sure you have the Jack FIFOS mounted on tmpfs. As a comment, I don't personally like Jack in /usr local. You might consider rebuilding Jack one of these days with: ./configure --prefix=/usr Hope this all helps a bit,. Cheers, Mark From ii001001 at yahoo.ca Fri Nov 11 07:33:18 2005 From: ii001001 at yahoo.ca (I. I. Ooisen) Date: Fri Nov 11 03:33:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd has interruptions Message-ID: <200511111033.18960.ii001001@yahoo.ca> my jackd has too many interruptions. any tips on how to make it run smoother? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Fri Nov 11 04:34:02 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Fri Nov 11 04:34:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux gets to No 1 in charts!! In-Reply-To: <4373F561.1070407@studioforrecording.org> References: <4373E326.5090706@walescomputers.co.uk> <4373F561.1070407@studioforrecording.org> Message-ID: <4374658A.2090200@walescomputers.co.uk> Tom Poe wrote: > studio-64 offered the following on 11/10/2005 06:17 PM: > >> HI >> Just thought I'd point out that we made No 1 on this chart ( about no >> 2 or 3 at the moment) all made witn Open sourse >> >> (64Studio, Ardour, and Jamin) >> >> >> http://www.projectoverseer.biz/modules.php?name=Daily_Chart >> >> >> You dont need to login >> >> I thought it was our weakest song but there you go!! >> >> Cheers >> Bob >> >> >> >> >> Bearmusic >> hearmymusic.co.uk >> >> >> > Do you know who's behind the site? > Tom > Hi I forgot to give you the song title Its: Getting Free and the band name is BluesLSD and was played on some radio thing on the site. The site was started by a guy in the UK and has had some problems before they seem to have settled down. It seems to be getting better music at the moment I'm not sure if they actually check some of the tracks themselves. Cheers Bob Stuck in an eternal remix-- which will end up going back to the original thing I did, as always!! Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Fri Nov 11 04:52:50 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Fri Nov 11 04:53:02 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sony Rooted Kit - get yer cheque book out Message-ID: <437469F2.80909@walescomputers.co.uk> Hi This seems to be rolling on! http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/10/0024259 Cheers Bob Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From Favio at gmx.net Fri Nov 11 05:03:12 2005 From: Favio at gmx.net (Favio@gmx.net) Date: Fri Nov 11 05:03:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and Linux Message-ID: <7579.1131703392@www93.gmx.net> Hi there, could someone help me to get started with Linux on my Laptop? I want to have a look at Ardour and if you could point me to an OS and how to install what, then that'd help me a lot. I have an older system CPU 1.2 GHz and 90something RAM, also my soundcard works with Asio drivers and USB. If you could help me with this, I'd be very grateful, Cheers, Favio -- Favio Masulli y Becker Contact: 07840 185 746 MSN : protoolz@hotmail.co.uk From SoenkeHahn at web.de Fri Nov 11 05:36:56 2005 From: SoenkeHahn at web.de (Soenke Hahn) Date: Fri Nov 11 05:37:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and Linux In-Reply-To: <7579.1131703392@www93.gmx.net> References: <7579.1131703392@www93.gmx.net> Message-ID: <43747448.5020802@web.de> > I want to have a look at Ardour and if you could point me to an OS and how >to install what, then that'd help me a lot. > > I'd recommend ubuntu: www.ubuntu.com It's good for beginners and laptops :) Take a look in the wiki there on how to install software...i think there is a special site about audio software as well... for low latencies look here: http://fort.xdas.com/~kor/oss2jack/install.html hope that helps S?nke From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Nov 11 06:13:54 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri Nov 11 06:14:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ingo's RT patch: please tell this newbie the best jack settings In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511102003q29f5542bp133acfb6589d4d5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4373EE55.2050609@aproximation.org> <5bdc1c8b0511102003q29f5542bp133acfb6589d4d5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051111121354.70e17d19@mango.fruits.de> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:03:59 -0800 Mark Knecht wrote: > jackd -R -p 64 -d alsa -r 44100 -p 64 -n2 -d hw:1,0 jackd -R -P 70 ... to set the priority of jackd higher than all soundcard irq handlers besides the soundcard irq. Basically the priority setup should look something like this: keyboard irq handler - 99 rtc irq handler - 99 soundcard irq handler - 98 jackd prio - 70 (creates watchdog at prio 80 and client process() threads at prio 69) all other irq handlers - around 50 (default) Basically there's also some problems with the timer irq's on -rt kernels (which my rt watchdog suffers from). Usually you would want to set softirq-timer and softirq-ktime to high prios, too (so high prio sleeping threads preempt low prio running threads when getting woken up. Actually this should make sure that the timer interrupt which wakes up the high prio thread after its sleep actually gets to run), but this doesn't quite work with the kernels i tested (this is the reason why my rt_watchdog doesn't work right). I'll try with newer kernels and ask ingo about it if the problem persists. Anyways, this should really only be a problem with midi sequencers that are sleep based. When using an irq source for timing this problem should go away. Regards, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Fri Nov 11 06:17:57 2005 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Fri Nov 11 06:16:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] lash-enabled sample player In-Reply-To: <4373AF7F.6000504@gmail.com> References: <4373AF7F.6000504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1131707877.9556.7.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 21:37 +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > I'm the happy user of om/lash/jack. Occationally I'd like to trigger > samples (multisamples would be nice, although single samples would be ok > if their pitch can be altered). What are my options if I'd like to keep > things session-able from lash? Dave Robillard wrote a LASH patch for Specimen. I think this is it: http://www.scs.carleton.ca/~drobilla/files/specimen-lash.patch You could also use the "Trivial sampler" plugin that comes with DSSI. -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051111/0d61b6b0/attachment.bin From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Nov 11 06:22:37 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri Nov 11 06:22:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ingo's RT patch: please tell this newbie the best jack settings In-Reply-To: <1131671421.5758.2.camel@mindpipe> References: <4373EE55.2050609@aproximation.org> <1131671421.5758.2.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20051111122237.78e25d3f@mango.fruits.de> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:10:20 -0500 Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 17:05 -0800, thewade wrote: > > I am curious how to get PD running on my machine > > processing complex patches but with a latency of 5.33 msec (128 frame > > buffer size I think) or less. I would even settle fo 10msec (256) with > > no XRUNS. > > > > You don't need the -rt kernel for that, the standard kernel will work. > > Lee > Oh well, not for everyone. If you want to be sure and have no xrun whatsoever a -rt kernel is definetly the better choice imho (don't have data to back that up though), especially because of the irq handler prios, which are not available on vanila kernels (maybe that has changed though). Seeting up the priorities right is crucial in setting up an audio system. I.e. i can run buffersizes of 32 or even 16 frames w/o xruns (except for application provoked ones), but of course the context switch overhead wastes quite a few cycles at these insane settings. But it's a good test case so one can be sure everything will be smooth at 64 frames. Have fun, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From ii001001 at yahoo.ca Fri Nov 11 10:29:34 2005 From: ii001001 at yahoo.ca (I. I. Ooisen) Date: Fri Nov 11 06:29:50 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ingo's RT patch: please tell this newbie the best jack settings In-Reply-To: <20051111121354.70e17d19@mango.fruits.de> References: <4373EE55.2050609@aproximation.org> <5bdc1c8b0511102003q29f5542bp133acfb6589d4d5f@mail.gmail.com> <20051111121354.70e17d19@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <200511111329.34413.ii001001@yahoo.ca> On Friday 11 November 2005 09:13 am, Florian Schmidt wrote: would this help my jackd run more smoothly? (now i have lots of interruptions while playing midis) > On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:03:59 -0800 > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > jackd -R -p 64 -d alsa -r 44100 -p 64 -n2 -d hw:1,0 > > jackd -R -P 70 ... > > to set the priority of jackd higher than all soundcard irq handlers > besides the soundcard irq. > > Basically the priority setup should look something like this: > > keyboard irq handler - 99 > rtc irq handler - 99 > soundcard irq handler - 98 > > jackd prio - 70 (creates watchdog at prio 80 and client > process() threads at prio 69) > > all other irq handlers - around 50 (default) > > Basically there's also some problems with the timer irq's on -rt kernels > (which my rt watchdog suffers from). Usually you would want to set > softirq-timer and softirq-ktime to high prios, too (so high prio > sleeping threads preempt low prio running threads when getting woken up. > Actually this should make sure that the timer interrupt which wakes up > the high prio thread after its sleep actually gets to run), but this > doesn't quite work with the kernels i tested (this is the reason why my > rt_watchdog doesn't work right). > > I'll try with newer kernels and ask ingo about it if the problem > persists. Anyways, this should really only be a problem with midi > sequencers that are sleep based. When using an irq source for timing > this problem should go away. > > Regards, > Flo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pinojazz at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 06:30:54 2005 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Fri Nov 11 06:31:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <4373A0DD.2060200@infinity.net> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <1131633660.10939.374.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43735E4C.6050303@gmx.net> <1131636225.10939.376.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43736E0A.3020400@gmx.net> <43737D82.5040108@infinity.net> <4373843C.8030208@rncbc.org> <4373A0DD.2060200@infinity.net> Message-ID: <437480EE.60409@gmail.com> Hi everyone, Peter Lutek escribi?: > Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > >> Peter Lutek wrote: >> >>> Michael T D Nelson wrote: >>> >>>> Paul Davis wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 14:50 +0000, Michael T D Nelson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Paul Davis wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> go to the qjackctl setup dialog and make sure that the command >>>>>>> to start >>>>>>> jack is "jackd" and not "jackstart". "jackstart" is purely for 2.4- >>>>>>> kernel based systems and should not be used on a 2.6-kernel based >>>>>>> system. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the prompt reply, but it's set to "jackd" already. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> well then something is very confused. your error messages included a >>>>> line about not being able to write to the jackstart sync pipe. >>>>> >>>>> did you install jackd as a normal CCRMA package? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yep. And it was working fine until a couple of weeks ago. I don't >>>> think I have done anything untoward. >>>> >>>> The only software which I compile from source is completely >>>> unrelated to audio (things like OpenVPN, mainly for work). >>>> >>>> I have just noticed a recent thread on this list (started by Carlos >>>> Pino) with a very similar sounding problem. >>>> >>> yes... i was in on that thread. i get the jackstart sync pipe error >>> message when starting jackd with qjackctl, however it does start >>> fine despite the error. >> The same for me. >>> when starting jackd with the same parameters, but from the >>> commandline, i do not get the jackstart sync pipe error message. >>> perhaps it's a qjackctl bug? >>> >>> -p >> >> >> >> Have you tried whether switching off standard output capture on >> qjackctl/setup/options makes any difference on that "jackstart sync >> pipe" issue? > > > hmm... seems to make it go away, but is that just because the error > message is no longer being echoed to the message window? when i start > qjackctl from a terminal window, i don't any messages in the terminal > about jack status anyway, so it's hard to tell. > > -p > If this can be usefull,here is the window messages output of qjackctl before an after change the "Capture standard output" option,and the shell output of jackd with the same config that qjackctl. *Before* 11:36:08.520 Patchbay deactivated. 11:36:08.570 Statistics reset. 11:36:08.687 MIDI connection graph change. 11:36:08.801 MIDI connection change. 11:36:09.004 MIDI connection change. 11:36:46.241 Startup script... 11:36:46.241 artsshell -q terminate sh: artsshell: command not found 11:36:46.461 Startup script terminated with exit status=32512. 11:36:46.461 JACK is starting... 11:36:46.462 /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 11:36:46.466 JACK was started with PID=3592 (0xe08). cannot write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor) jackd: wait for startup process exit failed jackd 0.100.0 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|256|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:0 configuring for 44100Hz, period = 256 frames, buffer = 2 periods nperiods = 2 for capture nperiods = 2 for playback 11:36:48.665 Server configuration saved to "/home/supertux/.jackdrc". 11:36:48.668 Statistics reset. 11:36:48.690 Client activated. 11:36:48.693 Audio connection change. 11:36:48.701 Audio connection graph change. * After * 11:34:32.194 Patchbay deactivated. 11:34:32.245 Statistics reset. 11:34:32.360 MIDI connection graph change. 11:34:32.475 MIDI connection change. 11:34:32.678 MIDI connection change. 11:34:46.166 Startup script... 11:34:46.166 artsshell -q terminate sh: artsshell: command not found 11:34:46.384 Startup script terminated with exit status=32512. 11:34:46.384 JACK is starting... 11:34:46.385 /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 11:34:46.407 JACK was started with PID=3566 (0xdee). 11:34:48.538 Server configuration saved to "/home/supertux/.jackdrc". 11:34:48.539 Statistics reset. 11:34:48.557 Client activated. 11:34:48.558 Audio connection change. 11:34:48.568 Audio connection graph change *Shell* supertux@sid:~$ /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 jackd 0.100.0 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|256|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:0 configuring for 44100Hz, period = 256 frames, buffer = 2 periods nperiods = 2 for capture nperiods = 2 for playback I have this working on a Pentium IV 2.6 ,1gb ddr,terratec dmx6 fire (ice1712) running Debian Sid and the A/Demudi kernel 2.6.13-1-multimedia. Still learning how to compile my own :p . Saludos Cheers -- Carlos. From jody.noury at linucie.net Fri Nov 11 06:54:42 2005 From: jody.noury at linucie.net (Jody) Date: Fri Nov 11 06:54:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Boot Demudi Live from hd In-Reply-To: <436F7746.2010201@linucie.net> References: <436F5117.4010008@linucie.net> <436F68F1.6000701@gmail.com> <436F7746.2010201@linucie.net> Message-ID: <43748682.4090308@linucie.net> Hi all, Demudi live is nice for me to discover easily how play a musician pinguin, I'd like to thanks ones who make or help making it. At this point I manage to boot from HD since init looks for cloop file in CD-Rom. Demudi live works fine on my principal computer, but I've some problem on my laptop a CLE266 graphic based, I think it is about via module wich hangs when drm is compiled in kernel (cf: unichrome list) but did'nt find how to specify vesa instead. Well this is not so important because I have manage to show Demudi live on my friend's laptop, who is sound engineer and I think he was very impressed by jack :) See you, Jody From rncbc at rncbc.org Fri Nov 11 06:56:59 2005 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Fri Nov 11 06:55:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <437480EE.60409@gmail.com> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <1131633660.10939.374.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43735E4C.6050303@gmx.net> <1131636225.10939.376.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43736E0A.3020400@gmx.net> <43737D82.5040108@infinity.net> <4373843C.8030208@rncbc.org> <4373A0DD.2060200@infinity.net> <437480EE.60409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4374870B.9060304@rncbc.org> Carlos Pino wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Peter Lutek escribi?: > >> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: >> >>> Peter Lutek wrote: >>> >>>> Michael T D Nelson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Paul Davis wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 14:50 +0000, Michael T D Nelson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Paul Davis wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> go to the qjackctl setup dialog and make sure that the command >>>>>>>> to start >>>>>>>> jack is "jackd" and not "jackstart". "jackstart" is purely for 2.4- >>>>>>>> kernel based systems and should not be used on a 2.6-kernel based >>>>>>>> system. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the prompt reply, but it's set to "jackd" already. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> well then something is very confused. your error messages included a >>>>>> line about not being able to write to the jackstart sync pipe. >>>>>> >>>>>> did you install jackd as a normal CCRMA package? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yep. And it was working fine until a couple of weeks ago. I don't >>>>> think I have done anything untoward. >>>>> >>>>> The only software which I compile from source is completely >>>>> unrelated to audio (things like OpenVPN, mainly for work). >>>>> >>>>> I have just noticed a recent thread on this list (started by Carlos >>>>> Pino) with a very similar sounding problem. >>>>> >>>> yes... i was in on that thread. i get the jackstart sync pipe error >>>> message when starting jackd with qjackctl, however it does start >>>> fine despite the error. >>> >>> > The same for me. > > > > > >>>> when starting jackd with the same parameters, but from the >>>> commandline, i do not get the jackstart sync pipe error message. >>>> perhaps it's a qjackctl bug? >>>> >>>> -p >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Have you tried whether switching off standard output capture on >>> qjackctl/setup/options makes any difference on that "jackstart sync >>> pipe" issue? >> >> >> >> hmm... seems to make it go away, but is that just because the error >> message is no longer being echoed to the message window? when i start >> qjackctl from a terminal window, i don't any messages in the terminal >> about jack status anyway, so it's hard to tell. >> >> -p >> > If this can be usefull,here is the window messages output of > qjackctl before an after change the "Capture standard output" option,and > the shell output of jackd with the same config that qjackctl. > > > > *Before* > > > > 11:36:08.520 Patchbay deactivated. > 11:36:08.570 Statistics reset. > 11:36:08.687 MIDI connection graph change. > 11:36:08.801 MIDI connection change. > 11:36:09.004 MIDI connection change. > 11:36:46.241 Startup script... > 11:36:46.241 artsshell -q terminate > sh: artsshell: command not found > 11:36:46.461 Startup script terminated with exit status=32512. > 11:36:46.461 JACK is starting... > 11:36:46.462 /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 > 11:36:46.466 JACK was started with PID=3592 (0xe08). > cannot write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor) > jackd: wait for startup process exit failed > jackd 0.100.0 > Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > JACK compiled with System V SHM support. > loading driver .. > apparent rate = 44100 > creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|256|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit > control device hw:0 > configuring for 44100Hz, period = 256 frames, buffer = 2 periods > nperiods = 2 for capture > nperiods = 2 for playback > 11:36:48.665 Server configuration saved to "/home/supertux/.jackdrc". > 11:36:48.668 Statistics reset. > 11:36:48.690 Client activated. > 11:36:48.693 Audio connection change. > 11:36:48.701 Audio connection graph change. > > * > After * > > > 11:34:32.194 Patchbay deactivated. > 11:34:32.245 Statistics reset. > 11:34:32.360 MIDI connection graph change. > 11:34:32.475 MIDI connection change. > 11:34:32.678 MIDI connection change. > 11:34:46.166 Startup script... > 11:34:46.166 artsshell -q terminate > sh: artsshell: command not found > 11:34:46.384 Startup script terminated with exit status=32512. > 11:34:46.384 JACK is starting... > 11:34:46.385 /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 > 11:34:46.407 JACK was started with PID=3566 (0xdee). > 11:34:48.538 Server configuration saved to "/home/supertux/.jackdrc". > 11:34:48.539 Statistics reset. > 11:34:48.557 Client activated. > 11:34:48.558 Audio connection change. > 11:34:48.568 Audio connection graph change > > > *Shell* > > supertux@sid:~$ /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 > jackd 0.100.0 > Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > > JACK compiled with System V SHM support. > loading driver .. > apparent rate = 44100 > creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|256|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit > control device hw:0 > configuring for 44100Hz, period = 256 frames, buffer = 2 periods > nperiods = 2 for capture > nperiods = 2 for playback > > > I have this working on a Pentium IV 2.6 ,1gb ddr,terratec dmx6 fire > (ice1712) running Debian Sid and the A/Demudi kernel 2.6.13-1-multimedia. > Still learning how to compile my own :p . > > > > > Saludos > Cheers > -- Carlos. Again, I believe the "cannot write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor)" message is nothing to worry about. And as it seems from the results above it just confirms my suspicion. If you're sticking with a 2.6 kernel, just don't configure jackd with --enable-capabilities and you're off the hook ;) Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From bu at orbitel.bg Fri Nov 11 07:51:02 2005 From: bu at orbitel.bg (Petar Nedyalkov) Date: Fri Nov 11 07:51:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Terratec PHASE 28 In-Reply-To: <200511101558.43688.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> References: <200511101529.48792.bu@orbitel.bg> <200511101558.43688.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200511111451.05507.bu@orbitel.bg> Skipped content of type multipart/mixed-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are a linux newbie and your primary goal is to get Linux audio working smoothly, you should go for Fedore Core 3 + Planet CCRMA (http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/) (btw. I have nothing against ubuntu or debian, I use debian myself and wouldn't change it for the world. But. I'm not a newbie) Sampo Savolainen From bu at orbitel.bg Fri Nov 11 08:11:16 2005 From: bu at orbitel.bg (Petar Nedyalkov) Date: Fri Nov 11 08:11:42 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Terratec PHASE 28 In-Reply-To: <200511111451.05507.bu@orbitel.bg> References: <200511101529.48792.bu@orbitel.bg> <200511101558.43688.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <200511111451.05507.bu@orbitel.bg> Message-ID: <200511111511.16711.bu@orbitel.bg> On Friday 11 November 2005 14:51, Petar Nedyalkov wrote: > On Thursday 10 November 2005 16:58, conrad berh?rster wrote: > > High Petar, > > you should update to ALSA 1.0.10. that helped me. > > can you record with your card? > > you can send me the complete amixer output offlist , if you want to. > > Hello Conrad, > > I tried installing alsa-drivers-1.0.10rc3 but after I ran alsaconf - a lot > of the kernel modules could not be loaded because of "unknown symbol" > errors. Well, After rebooting, all kernel modules were loaded successfully, but in the mixer I still see che Center and LFE channels as MONO. How did you manage to install 1.0.10 with four STEREO channels in the mixer? > > I'm running Fedora Core 3. > > I configured the package without any limitations - pure ./configure; make; > make install > > After running alsaconf I get: > --------------------- > Loading driver... > Starting sound driver: snd-ice1724 FATAL: Error inserting snd_pcm > (/lib/modules/2.6.11-1.35_FC3/kernel/sound/acore/snd-pcm.ko): Unknown > symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) > WARNING: Error running install command for snd_pcm > WARNING: Error inserting snd_ak4114 > (/lib/modules/2.6.11-1.35_FC3/kernel/sound/i2c/other/snd-ak4114.ko): > Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) > WARNING: Error inserting snd_ac97_codec > (/lib/modules/2.6.11-1.35_FC3/kernel/sound/pci/ac97/snd-ac97-codec.ko): > Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) > FATAL: Error inserting snd_ice1724 > (/lib/modules/2.6.11-1.35_FC3/kernel/sound/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1724.ko): > Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) > done > --------------------- > > And in `dmesg` I have: > --------------------- > snd_pcm: disagrees about version of symbol snd_malloc_pages > snd_pcm: Unknown symbol snd_malloc_pages > snd_ak4114: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_stop > snd_ac97_codec: Unknown symbol snd_interval_refine > snd_ac97_codec: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_rule_add > snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_ac97_write_cache > snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_new > snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_preallocate_pages_for_all > snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_ac97_mixer > snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_ak4114_create > snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_ac97_bus > snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_set_sync > snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_malloc_pages > snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_ioctl > snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_free_pages > snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_set_ops > snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_constraint_list > snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_constraint_msbits > snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_period_elapsed > snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_constraint_step > snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_ac97_read > --------------------- > > Have you met this case? I even uninstalled 1.0.10rc3 and moved back to > alsa-drivers 1.0.9 and it still had the same errors. > > You can find the amixer output from my working ALSA 1.0.9 installation as > an attachment. Any ideas are appreciated. > > > sizu c~ > > > > Am Donnerstag 10 November 2005 14:29 schrieb Petar Nedyalkov: > > > Hello list, > > > > > > I've successfully installed ALSA on my server, having two Terratec > > > PHASE 28 cards. The problem is that from all 8 sound outs, the mixer > > > recognises as stereo pairs only four. > > > > > > The `amixer -c 0` output is as follows: > > > > > > Simple mixer control 'Master',0 > > > Capabilities: pvolume pswitch > > > Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right > > > Limits: Playback 0 - 255 > > > Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [on] > > > Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [on] > > > Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 > > > Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined > > > Playback channels: Mono > > > Limits: Playback 0 - 128 > > > Mono: Playback 128 [100%] [on] > > > Simple mixer control 'Front',0 > > > Capabilities: pvolume pswitch > > > Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right > > > Limits: Playback 0 - 127 > > > Front Left: Playback 127 [100%] [on] > > > Front Right: Playback 127 [100%] [on] > > > Simple mixer control 'Center',0 > > > Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined > > > Playback channels: Mono > > > Limits: Playback 0 - 127 > > > Mono: Playback 127 [100%] [on] > > > Simple mixer control 'LFE',0 > > > Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined > > > Playback channels: Mono > > > Limits: Playback 0 - 127 > > > Mono: Playback 127 [100%] [on] > > > Simple mixer control 'Side',0 > > > Capabilities: pvolume pswitch > > > Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right > > > Limits: Playback 0 - 127 > > > Front Left: Playback 127 [100%] [on] > > > Front Right: Playback 127 [100%] [on] > > > > > > As you can see, the mixer controls Side and Front are stereo (i.e. have > > > two channels), but the mixer controls Center and LFE are mono. > > > > > > The same goes to my second Terratec PHASE 28 card. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I had installed the same versions of ALSA and the > > > channels were OK. But after I reinstalled my server - the Center and > > > LFE stereo channels became mono. > > > > > > I'm using ALSA drivers 1.0.9, ALSA utils 1.0.9 and ALSA lib 1.0.9. > > > > > > Has anyone solved this problem? I need 4 stereo channels but not 2 > > > stereo and 2 mono. -- Cyberly yours, Petar Nedyalkov Devoted Orbitel Fan :-) PGP ID: 7AE45436 PGP Public Key: http://bu.orbitel.bg/pgp/bu.asc PGP Fingerprint: 7923 8D52 B145 02E8 6F63 8BDA 2D3F 7C0B 7AE4 5436 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051111/744714ae/attachment.bin From johnmulholland at fastmail.fm Fri Nov 11 08:16:22 2005 From: johnmulholland at fastmail.fm (John Mulholland) Date: Fri Nov 11 08:16:28 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mixmeister-like software Message-ID: <437499A6.1030008@fastmail.fm> Hello, I have been asked to put together a couple of CDs of funky music for my sisters house party. Before I discovered open source I used a program called (1) mixmeister for this sort of thing. I like MM because it has a fairly inuitive drag and drop interface, showed graphical waveforms for easy mixing, and it put quite an emphasis on BMP and cataloguing. I liked its light approach, and I dont really want to use a heavy DAW for this. Is there anything similar for Linux? Cheers, John (1) www.mixmeister.com From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 08:22:50 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Nov 11 08:22:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd has interruptions In-Reply-To: <200511111033.18960.ii001001@yahoo.ca> References: <200511111033.18960.ii001001@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511110522m2613c67akbca9948fddfcb9c8@mail.gmail.com> Please read the thread currently on this list entitled: [linux-audio-user] Ingo's RT patch: please tell this newbie the best jack settings On 11/11/05, I. I. Ooisen wrote: > my jackd has too many interruptions. any tips on how to make it run smoother? > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From criscabello at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 08:28:17 2005 From: criscabello at gmail.com (criscabello .) Date: Fri Nov 11 08:28:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Boot Demudi Live from hd In-Reply-To: <43748682.4090308@linucie.net> References: <436F5117.4010008@linucie.net> <436F68F1.6000701@gmail.com> <436F7746.2010201@linucie.net> <43748682.4090308@linucie.net> Message-ID: > Demudi live is nice for me to discover easily how play a musician > pinguin, I'd like to thanks ones who make or help making it. yeah, i'd like to be one more on this chorus. i use demudi live on my workshops here in brasil, and it works well, but it depends the ram of the computer, i think the computer with less than 512ram, it doesn't work well - and here this is the reality of the most of the computers... anyway demudi livre is a great way to show the linux audio tools. thanks a lot the ones who make it possible! abra?o cris take a look:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.estudiolivre.org From ii001001 at yahoo.ca Fri Nov 11 13:04:50 2005 From: ii001001 at yahoo.ca (I. I. Ooisen) Date: Fri Nov 11 09:05:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd has interruptions In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511110522m2613c67akbca9948fddfcb9c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511111033.18960.ii001001@yahoo.ca> <5bdc1c8b0511110522m2613c67akbca9948fddfcb9c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511111604.50659.ii001001@yahoo.ca> On Friday 11 November 2005 11:22 am, Mark Knecht wrote: i am a newbye to this mailing list (not to emphasize that this is my first subscription to *any* mailing list!): how can i get access to older messages? i signed up 24 hours ago :( > Please read the thread currently on this list entitled: > > [linux-audio-user] Ingo's RT patch: please tell this newbie the best > jack settings > > On 11/11/05, I. I. Ooisen wrote: > > my jackd has too many interruptions. any tips on how to make it run > > smoother? __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Nov 11 10:53:00 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Nov 11 09:54:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Update on savihost + Vsti's under wine In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511101757p4bfe3320w32bfe7585c190162@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200511092329.02190.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511101757p4bfe3320w32bfe7585c190162@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511111553.00087.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 11 November 2005 01:57, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 11/9/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > On Wednesday 09 November 2005 02:03, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On 11/8/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > Hi Mark. Right. Here goes. This is on FC2, not Gentoo. I'll have a > > > > go on Gentoo when I get the time. Wine is version 0.9-1fc2winehq, > > > > savihost is version 1.23. I borrowed mfc42.dll from my XP install and > > > > put it in .wine/drive_c/windows/system32. Savihost.exe I put in the > > > > program files, and also put Lin-Plugs FreeAlpha synth's .dll in > > > > there. Renamed savihosts .exe to FreeAlpha, and it worked first go. > > > > Now FreeAlpha synth has a separate file for it's patches. it will > > > > only use the default patch that is on the synth But it works. I've > > > > been trying a lot of freebie synths, and notice that they use a lot > > > > of cpu. Ksim is showing, when idle, between 70 & 80% cpu useage, and > > > > yet the synth itself only shows less than 5% cpu useage. VirSyn's > > > > MicroTERA. a free synth uses 100% cpu. Not enough to freeze the > > > > mouse, and even though I did get some sounds out of it, it would not > > > > load the sound bank. Native Instruments Reactor Session One 4.0, > > > > another freebie fully operational synth. When installed, this has a > > > > .exe and a .dll. Running the .exe brings up the GUI, but the only > > > > menu item that works is the one for sample rate, so cannot connect > > > > usb midi keyboard or audio output. The .dll through savihost works > > > > fine, but again at idle, is showing 50% cpu on Ksim, and the synth is > > > > showing about 18.8%. The complete patch bank is available on this > > > > synth. Single notes play ok, but push the cpu on Ksim to about 95%. > > > > Chords push the cpu useage to 100%+ and become quite broken up. All > > > > in all, I'm very happy with the way this is going. Hardly anything > > > > worked on > > > > wine-20041019-1fc2winehq, but 0.9-1fc2winehq has certainly made more > > > > things work. One observation. I tried crystal.dll on numerous > > > > occasions, and it would not open. At that time only mfc42.dll was in > > > > the system32 directory. After installing Reactor Session One synth, > > > > and perhaps something else, more .dll's turned up in system32. I > > > > thought I'd try crystal synth again, and this time it worked. The > > > > extra .dll's are listed below. > > > > msvcirt.dll > > > > MSVCP60.DLL > > > > Msvcrt.dll > > > > > > > > Here are a few of the freebie synths I tried, and which worked ok > > > > with savihost. > > > > Triangle I & Triangle II from http://www.rgcaudio.com > > > > Interruptor Dub Siren from http://www.interruptor.ch > > > > JXPlugins JX220 from http://www.jxplugins.co.uk > > > > LFObia Mocheese from http://www.electronicscene.com/elektracidz > > > > LRsynths Trionimox from http://www.alphastrike.de > > > > Psychic Modulation Pandemonium from http://www.psychicmodulation.com > > > > Tobybear Screamer from http://www.tobybear.de > > > > LinPlug Free Alpha from http://www.linplug.com > > > > > > > > I'd be really interested in knowing why these synths use so much cpu > > > > when just lying idle. Nigel. > > > > > > > > Machine: Aiii-friend 1.3Ghz, 1GB Ram, Audigy2 soundblaster, Built-in > > > > Cyberblade i1 graphics. > > > > > > Hi Nigel, > > > Hey - you've been busy! > > > > > > I had a couple of minutes so I fired up Savihost using Triangle 1 > > > and Crystal to see if I could duplicate your results. For those synths > > > I see (using top) > > > > > > Triangle 1 - 6% usr, 6%sys > > > Crystal - 20% usr, 80% sys > > > > > > This is on an AMD64 3000+ machine. > > > > > > Since Savihost is the main app in both cases (just renamed to the > > > dll name) then the difference has to be something in the way the dll > > > is written. (duh...) How we find that I'm not so sure. What I need is > > > an app that shows CPU usage by thread or process I suppose. > > > > > > I'll ask about that on the Wine lists and see what I find out. > > > > > > Assuming that we do find out something then possibly one day the > > > Wine developers (or kernel developers) can do something about it. > > > > > > Note that in both cases above I ended up using the OSS seting in > > > winecfg. The Jack interface doesn't work at all and the Alsa interface > > > seemed to have an awful lot of noise. The kernel is 2.6.14-rt6, Ingo's > > > latest and the machine is Gentoo based. > > > > > > I have the Alpha demo downloaded but I haven't installed it yet. > > > > > > I think we need to work on a way to report this info, and maybe a > > > place to store it online. I can see a Wiki where we all can enter > > > numbers as being of value, assuming it starys clean. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Mark > > > > Hi Mark. A Wiki is the best option for keeping this info. As you say it > > needs to be kept clean, and I'd suggest registration to add or make > > alterations to pages in it. I wish I could help to set it up, but have no > > idea how to go about setting up a Wiki or a webserver. My Apache > > webserver I've tried out once with my son, but on dialup it's a bit of a > > no-go anyway. > > > > The kernel I am using is from planetccrma. 2.6.10-0.4.rdt.rhfc2.ccrma > > (32bit). Having finished playing with vst apps a while back, I went to > > start qjackctl. It doesn't want to know, throwing back "the capture > > device "hw0" is already in use. A bit confused I run ps auxw, and this > > shows 5 active pid's for wine. I have, pid 4288 for > > /usr/bin/wine-preloader /usr/bin/wine-pthread C:\Program Files\Native. > > Also, pid 4291 for /usr/bin/wineserver, and the rest are using > > /usr/bin/wine-preloader /usr/bin/wine-pthread /home/djmons/.wine/driv. > > Kiliing these and running ps auxw again shows the same pid's still there, > > but with the comment "defunkt" . Normally you kill a pid, run ps auxw > > again and the pid ids gone. Qjackctl still won't start jack. I had to do > > a windoze style reboot to clear this stuff. Thank you by the way for > > "top". I havn't used this before. Right. I've rebooted, and go to wines > > program files. Start up Crystal through savihost with top running. Ksim > > at idle shows an average of 26% cpu. With top, wineserver is showing an > > average of 10.5%, and wine-preloader an average of 7.6%. Playing Crystal > > pushes the cpu up to about 50%. I mean. This ain't too bad. > > Wine-preloader has gone up to about 13.3% cpu and is staying there after > > a few minutes. Wineserver has stayed at the same cpu level. Closed > > Crystal and now lost wineserver and wine-preloader from the top output > > (which is as it should be). Cpu now running at an average of 3%. Start > > Triangle I . Wineserver's cpu about the same as Crystal. Wine-preloader > > up a bit, 8.6%. Playing Triangle I pushes the cpu to about 53% max. > > Closed Triangle I, and lost wine pid's from top. Tried qjackctl and > > starting jack, and no problems. Right. Last try, as I don't want to use > > synths that you don't have. Start FreeAlpha. No big difference here. cpu > > useage about the same as the others. FreeAlpha being polyphonic > > surprisingly only max'd at about 41% cpu when played. None of this seems > > too bad. I still can't understand why I had 5 pid's still running for > > wine in ps auxw. the only other bits I'd run from the wine program files > > were, a pdf manual, and a MS word .doc through open office for another > > synth manual. Now I recorded a bit on one synth and saved it as .wav. But > > the next question is. How do I port the output from a VSTi running under > > savihost and wine, to an app like Ardour? Thats a whole new ball game. > > Nigel. > > Hi Nigel, > Maybe you can check this out on your end. Run 'winecfg' and change > the audio driver from the default OSS driver to the Alsa driver. Exit > winecfg and now run Crystal using Savihost. On my end it no longer > uses 100% CPU. > > I'm off for dinner now. I'll check back in later to see if anyone > else gets the same results. > > I have no idea what the everyday usage implications would be of > using Alsa directly vs. using the OSS driver. I guess we can talk > about that. > > Cheers, > Mark Hi Mark. I have been using Alsa from the beginning of these tests, and the most recent results are above. One VSTi, virsyns Microtera, still uses 100% CPU, but you can't expect everything to work OOTB. Nigel. From b0ef at esben-stien.name Fri Nov 11 12:07:33 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Fri Nov 11 10:12:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sony Rooted Kit - get yer cheque book out In-Reply-To: <437469F2.80909@walescomputers.co.uk> (studio's message of "Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:52:50 +0000") References: <437469F2.80909@walescomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <87mzkb3yga.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> studio-64 writes: > This seems to be rolling on! They will always roll. This is of no relevance to users of free software systems in this respect. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 10:23:15 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Nov 11 10:23:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Update on savihost + Vsti's under wine In-Reply-To: <200511111553.00087.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200511092329.02190.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511101757p4bfe3320w32bfe7585c190162@mail.gmail.com> <200511111553.00087.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511110723q291eea2ao89be1d53ed8fe13f@mail.gmail.com> On 11/11/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Friday 11 November 2005 01:57, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 11/9/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > On Wednesday 09 November 2005 02:03, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > On 11/8/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > > Hi Mark. Right. Here goes. This is on FC2, not Gentoo. I'll have a > > > > > go on Gentoo when I get the time. Wine is version 0.9-1fc2winehq, > > > > > savihost is version 1.23. I borrowed mfc42.dll from my XP install and > > > > > put it in .wine/drive_c/windows/system32. Savihost.exe I put in the > > > > > program files, and also put Lin-Plugs FreeAlpha synth's .dll in > > > > > there. Renamed savihosts .exe to FreeAlpha, and it worked first go. > > > > > Now FreeAlpha synth has a separate file for it's patches. it will > > > > > only use the default patch that is on the synth But it works. I've > > > > > been trying a lot of freebie synths, and notice that they use a lot > > > > > of cpu. Ksim is showing, when idle, between 70 & 80% cpu useage, and > > > > > yet the synth itself only shows less than 5% cpu useage. VirSyn's > > > > > MicroTERA. a free synth uses 100% cpu. Not enough to freeze the > > > > > mouse, and even though I did get some sounds out of it, it would not > > > > > load the sound bank. Native Instruments Reactor Session One 4.0, > > > > > another freebie fully operational synth. When installed, this has a > > > > > .exe and a .dll. Running the .exe brings up the GUI, but the only > > > > > menu item that works is the one for sample rate, so cannot connect > > > > > usb midi keyboard or audio output. The .dll through savihost works > > > > > fine, but again at idle, is showing 50% cpu on Ksim, and the synth is > > > > > showing about 18.8%. The complete patch bank is available on this > > > > > synth. Single notes play ok, but push the cpu on Ksim to about 95%. > > > > > Chords push the cpu useage to 100%+ and become quite broken up. All > > > > > in all, I'm very happy with the way this is going. Hardly anything > > > > > worked on > > > > > wine-20041019-1fc2winehq, but 0.9-1fc2winehq has certainly made more > > > > > things work. One observation. I tried crystal.dll on numerous > > > > > occasions, and it would not open. At that time only mfc42.dll was in > > > > > the system32 directory. After installing Reactor Session One synth, > > > > > and perhaps something else, more .dll's turned up in system32. I > > > > > thought I'd try crystal synth again, and this time it worked. The > > > > > extra .dll's are listed below. > > > > > msvcirt.dll > > > > > MSVCP60.DLL > > > > > Msvcrt.dll > > > > > > > > > > Here are a few of the freebie synths I tried, and which worked ok > > > > > with savihost. > > > > > Triangle I & Triangle II from http://www.rgcaudio.com > > > > > Interruptor Dub Siren from http://www.interruptor.ch > > > > > JXPlugins JX220 from http://www.jxplugins.co.uk > > > > > LFObia Mocheese from http://www.electronicscene.com/elektracidz > > > > > LRsynths Trionimox from http://www.alphastrike.de > > > > > Psychic Modulation Pandemonium from http://www.psychicmodulation.com > > > > > Tobybear Screamer from http://www.tobybear.de > > > > > LinPlug Free Alpha from http://www.linplug.com > > > > > > > > > > I'd be really interested in knowing why these synths use so much cpu > > > > > when just lying idle. Nigel. > > > > > > > > > > Machine: Aiii-friend 1.3Ghz, 1GB Ram, Audigy2 soundblaster, Built-in > > > > > Cyberblade i1 graphics. > > > > > > > > Hi Nigel, > > > > Hey - you've been busy! > > > > > > > > I had a couple of minutes so I fired up Savihost using Triangle 1 > > > > and Crystal to see if I could duplicate your results. For those synths > > > > I see (using top) > > > > > > > > Triangle 1 - 6% usr, 6%sys > > > > Crystal - 20% usr, 80% sys > > > > > > > > This is on an AMD64 3000+ machine. > > > > > > > > Since Savihost is the main app in both cases (just renamed to the > > > > dll name) then the difference has to be something in the way the dll > > > > is written. (duh...) How we find that I'm not so sure. What I need is > > > > an app that shows CPU usage by thread or process I suppose. > > > > > > > > I'll ask about that on the Wine lists and see what I find out. > > > > > > > > Assuming that we do find out something then possibly one day the > > > > Wine developers (or kernel developers) can do something about it. > > > > > > > > Note that in both cases above I ended up using the OSS seting in > > > > winecfg. The Jack interface doesn't work at all and the Alsa interface > > > > seemed to have an awful lot of noise. The kernel is 2.6.14-rt6, Ingo's > > > > latest and the machine is Gentoo based. > > > > > > > > I have the Alpha demo downloaded but I haven't installed it yet. > > > > > > > > I think we need to work on a way to report this info, and maybe a > > > > place to store it online. I can see a Wiki where we all can enter > > > > numbers as being of value, assuming it starys clean. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mark > > > > > > Hi Mark. A Wiki is the best option for keeping this info. As you say it > > > needs to be kept clean, and I'd suggest registration to add or make > > > alterations to pages in it. I wish I could help to set it up, but have no > > > idea how to go about setting up a Wiki or a webserver. My Apache > > > webserver I've tried out once with my son, but on dialup it's a bit of a > > > no-go anyway. > > > > > > The kernel I am using is from planetccrma. 2.6.10-0.4.rdt.rhfc2.ccrma > > > (32bit). Having finished playing with vst apps a while back, I went to > > > start qjackctl. It doesn't want to know, throwing back "the capture > > > device "hw0" is already in use. A bit confused I run ps auxw, and this > > > shows 5 active pid's for wine. I have, pid 4288 for > > > /usr/bin/wine-preloader /usr/bin/wine-pthread C:\Program Files\Native. > > > Also, pid 4291 for /usr/bin/wineserver, and the rest are using > > > /usr/bin/wine-preloader /usr/bin/wine-pthread /home/djmons/.wine/driv. > > > Kiliing these and running ps auxw again shows the same pid's still there, > > > but with the comment "defunkt" . Normally you kill a pid, run ps auxw > > > again and the pid ids gone. Qjackctl still won't start jack. I had to do > > > a windoze style reboot to clear this stuff. Thank you by the way for > > > "top". I havn't used this before. Right. I've rebooted, and go to wines > > > program files. Start up Crystal through savihost with top running. Ksim > > > at idle shows an average of 26% cpu. With top, wineserver is showing an > > > average of 10.5%, and wine-preloader an average of 7.6%. Playing Crystal > > > pushes the cpu up to about 50%. I mean. This ain't too bad. > > > Wine-preloader has gone up to about 13.3% cpu and is staying there after > > > a few minutes. Wineserver has stayed at the same cpu level. Closed > > > Crystal and now lost wineserver and wine-preloader from the top output > > > (which is as it should be). Cpu now running at an average of 3%. Start > > > Triangle I . Wineserver's cpu about the same as Crystal. Wine-preloader > > > up a bit, 8.6%. Playing Triangle I pushes the cpu to about 53% max. > > > Closed Triangle I, and lost wine pid's from top. Tried qjackctl and > > > starting jack, and no problems. Right. Last try, as I don't want to use > > > synths that you don't have. Start FreeAlpha. No big difference here. cpu > > > useage about the same as the others. FreeAlpha being polyphonic > > > surprisingly only max'd at about 41% cpu when played. None of this seems > > > too bad. I still can't understand why I had 5 pid's still running for > > > wine in ps auxw. the only other bits I'd run from the wine program files > > > were, a pdf manual, and a MS word .doc through open office for another > > > synth manual. Now I recorded a bit on one synth and saved it as .wav. But > > > the next question is. How do I port the output from a VSTi running under > > > savihost and wine, to an app like Ardour? Thats a whole new ball game. > > > Nigel. > > > > Hi Nigel, > > Maybe you can check this out on your end. Run 'winecfg' and change > > the audio driver from the default OSS driver to the Alsa driver. Exit > > winecfg and now run Crystal using Savihost. On my end it no longer > > uses 100% CPU. > > > > I'm off for dinner now. I'll check back in later to see if anyone > > else gets the same results. > > > > I have no idea what the everyday usage implications would be of > > using Alsa directly vs. using the OSS driver. I guess we can talk > > about that. > > > > Cheers, > > Mark > > Hi Mark. I have been using Alsa from the beginning of these tests, and the > most recent results are above. One VSTi, virsyns Microtera, still uses 100% > CPU, but you can't expect everything to work OOTB. Nigel. > Nigel, I understand that you are using Alsa, but are you are using the Wine's Alsa driver or wine's OSS driver? The Alsa driver is not the default audio driver in Wine-0.9. You would have changed this intentionally before starting to work with Savihost. Please let me know when you get a chance. - Mark From pinojazz at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 10:25:28 2005 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Fri Nov 11 10:25:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Terratec PHASE 28 In-Reply-To: <200511111451.05507.bu@orbitel.bg> References: <200511101529.48792.bu@orbitel.bg> <200511101558.43688.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <200511111451.05507.bu@orbitel.bg> Message-ID: <4374B7E8.9000208@gmail.com> Petar Nedyalkov escribi?: >On Thursday 10 November 2005 16:58, conrad berh?rster wrote: > > >>High Petar, >>you should update to ALSA 1.0.10. that helped me. >>can you record with your card? >>you can send me the complete amixer output offlist , if you want to. >> >> > >Hello Conrad, > >I tried installing alsa-drivers-1.0.10rc3 but after I ran alsaconf - a lot of >the kernel modules could not be loaded because of "unknown symbol" errors. > >I'm running Fedora Core 3. > >I configured the package without any limitations - pure ./configure; make; >make install > > Hi I did one hour ago doing *make install-modules* instead of *make install* and everything went fine.I only have to look for the way to have midi through I/O.Look at the README or INSTALL file included in the alsa-driver tarball. Hope this help Saludos Cheers -- Carlos. >After running alsaconf I get: >--------------------- >Loading driver... >Starting sound driver: snd-ice1724 FATAL: Error inserting snd_pcm >(/lib/modules/2.6.11-1.35_FC3/kernel/sound/acore/snd-pcm.ko): Unknown symbol >in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) >WARNING: Error running install command for snd_pcm >WARNING: Error inserting snd_ak4114 >(/lib/modules/2.6.11-1.35_FC3/kernel/sound/i2c/other/snd-ak4114.ko): Unknown >symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) >WARNING: Error inserting snd_ac97_codec >(/lib/modules/2.6.11-1.35_FC3/kernel/sound/pci/ac97/snd-ac97-codec.ko): >Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) >FATAL: Error inserting snd_ice1724 >(/lib/modules/2.6.11-1.35_FC3/kernel/sound/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1724.ko): >Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) >done >--------------------- > >And in `dmesg` I have: >--------------------- >snd_pcm: disagrees about version of symbol snd_malloc_pages >snd_pcm: Unknown symbol snd_malloc_pages >snd_ak4114: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_stop >snd_ac97_codec: Unknown symbol snd_interval_refine >snd_ac97_codec: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_rule_add >snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_ac97_write_cache >snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_new >snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_preallocate_pages_for_all >snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_ac97_mixer >snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_ak4114_create >snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_ac97_bus >snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_set_sync >snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_malloc_pages >snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_ioctl >snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_free_pages >snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_set_ops >snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_constraint_list >snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_constraint_msbits >snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_period_elapsed >snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_constraint_step >snd_ice1724: Unknown symbol snd_ac97_read >--------------------- > >Have you met this case? I even uninstalled 1.0.10rc3 and moved back to >alsa-drivers 1.0.9 and it still had the same errors. > >You can find the amixer output from my working ALSA 1.0.9 installation as an >attachment. Any ideas are appreciated. > > > >>sizu c~ >> >>Am Donnerstag 10 November 2005 14:29 schrieb Petar Nedyalkov: >> >> >>>Hello list, >>> >>>I've successfully installed ALSA on my server, having two Terratec PHASE >>>28 cards. The problem is that from all 8 sound outs, the mixer recognises >>>as stereo pairs only four. >>> >>>The `amixer -c 0` output is as follows: >>> >>>Simple mixer control 'Master',0 >>> Capabilities: pvolume pswitch >>> Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right >>> Limits: Playback 0 - 255 >>> Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [on] >>> Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [on] >>>Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 >>> Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined >>> Playback channels: Mono >>> Limits: Playback 0 - 128 >>> Mono: Playback 128 [100%] [on] >>>Simple mixer control 'Front',0 >>> Capabilities: pvolume pswitch >>> Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right >>> Limits: Playback 0 - 127 >>> Front Left: Playback 127 [100%] [on] >>> Front Right: Playback 127 [100%] [on] >>>Simple mixer control 'Center',0 >>> Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined >>> Playback channels: Mono >>> Limits: Playback 0 - 127 >>> Mono: Playback 127 [100%] [on] >>>Simple mixer control 'LFE',0 >>> Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined >>> Playback channels: Mono >>> Limits: Playback 0 - 127 >>> Mono: Playback 127 [100%] [on] >>>Simple mixer control 'Side',0 >>> Capabilities: pvolume pswitch >>> Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right >>> Limits: Playback 0 - 127 >>> Front Left: Playback 127 [100%] [on] >>> Front Right: Playback 127 [100%] [on] >>> >>>As you can see, the mixer controls Side and Front are stereo (i.e. have >>>two channels), but the mixer controls Center and LFE are mono. >>> >>>The same goes to my second Terratec PHASE 28 card. >>> >>>Unfortunately, I had installed the same versions of ALSA and the channels >>>were OK. But after I reinstalled my server - the Center and LFE stereo >>>channels became mono. >>> >>>I'm using ALSA drivers 1.0.9, ALSA utils 1.0.9 and ALSA lib 1.0.9. >>> >>>Has anyone solved this problem? I need 4 stereo channels but not 2 stereo >>>and 2 mono. >>> >>> > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Simple mixer control 'Master',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pswitch > Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Playback 0 - 255 > Front Left: Playback 5 [2%] [off] > Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [off] >Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Mono > Limits: Playback 0 - 128 > Mono: Playback 128 [100%] [on] >Simple mixer control 'Front',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pswitch > Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Playback 0 - 127 > Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [off] > Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [off] >Simple mixer control 'Center',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Mono > Limits: Playback 0 - 127 > Mono: Playback 0 [0%] [off] >Simple mixer control 'LFE',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Mono > Limits: Playback 0 - 127 > Mono: Playback 0 [0%] [off] >Simple mixer control 'Side',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pswitch > Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Playback 0 - 127 > Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [off] > Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [off] >Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0 > Capabilities: > Mono: >Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Output',0 > Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Mono > Mono: Playback [on] >Simple mixer control 'IEC958',1 > Capabilities: > Mono: >Simple mixer control 'ADC Oversampling',0 > Capabilities: > Mono: >Simple mixer control 'DAC Deemphasis',0 > Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Mono > Mono: Playback [off] >Simple mixer control 'H/W',0 > Capabilities: > Mono: >Simple mixer control 'H/W',1 > Capabilities: > Mono: >Simple mixer control 'H/W',2 > Capabilities: > Mono: >Simple mixer control 'H/W',3 > Capabilities: > Mono: >Simple mixer control 'H/W',4 > Capabilities: > Mono: >Simple mixer control 'H/W',5 > Capabilities: > Mono: >Simple mixer control 'H/W',6 > Capabilities: > Mono: >Simple mixer control 'H/W',7 > Capabilities: > Mono: >Simple mixer control 'Multi Track Internal Clock',0 > Capabilities: > Mono: >Simple mixer control 'Multi Track Peak',0 > Capabilities: volume > Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right - Front Center - Rear Left - Rear Right - Woofer - ? - ? - ? - ? - ? - ? - ? - ? - ? - ? - ? - ? - ? - ? - ? - ? > Limits: 0 - 255 > Mono: 0 [0%] > Front Left: > Front Right: > Front Center: > Rear Left: > Rear Right: > Woofer: > ?: > ?: > ?: > ?: > ?: > ?: > ?: > ?: > ?: > ?: > ?: > ?: > ?: > ?: > ?: > ?: >Simple mixer control 'Multi Track Rate Locking',0 > Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Mono > Mono: Playback [off] >Simple mixer control 'Multi Track Rate Reset',0 > Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Mono > Mono: Playback [on] >Simple mixer control 'Rear',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pswitch > Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Playback 0 - 127 > Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [off] > Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [off] > > From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Nov 11 11:27:50 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Nov 11 10:29:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Update on savihost + Vsti's under wine In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511110723q291eea2ao89be1d53ed8fe13f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200511111553.00087.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511110723q291eea2ao89be1d53ed8fe13f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511111627.50942.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 11 November 2005 15:23, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 11/11/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > On Friday 11 November 2005 01:57, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On 11/9/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > On Wednesday 09 November 2005 02:03, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > On 11/8/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > > > Hi Mark. Right. Here goes. This is on FC2, not Gentoo. I'll have > > > > > > a go on Gentoo when I get the time. Wine is version > > > > > > 0.9-1fc2winehq, savihost is version 1.23. I borrowed mfc42.dll > > > > > > from my XP install and put it in .wine/drive_c/windows/system32. > > > > > > Savihost.exe I put in the program files, and also put Lin-Plugs > > > > > > FreeAlpha synth's .dll in there. Renamed savihosts .exe to > > > > > > FreeAlpha, and it worked first go. Now FreeAlpha synth has a > > > > > > separate file for it's patches. it will only use the default > > > > > > patch that is on the synth But it works. I've been trying a lot > > > > > > of freebie synths, and notice that they use a lot of cpu. Ksim > > > > > > is showing, when idle, between 70 & 80% cpu useage, and yet the > > > > > > synth itself only shows less than 5% cpu useage. VirSyn's > > > > > > MicroTERA. a free synth uses 100% cpu. Not enough to freeze the > > > > > > mouse, and even though I did get some sounds out of it, it would > > > > > > not load the sound bank. Native Instruments Reactor Session One > > > > > > 4.0, another freebie fully operational synth. When installed, > > > > > > this has a .exe and a .dll. Running the .exe brings up the GUI, > > > > > > but the only menu item that works is the one for sample rate, so > > > > > > cannot connect usb midi keyboard or audio output. The .dll > > > > > > through savihost works fine, but again at idle, is showing 50% > > > > > > cpu on Ksim, and the synth is showing about 18.8%. The complete > > > > > > patch bank is available on this synth. Single notes play ok, but > > > > > > push the cpu on Ksim to about 95%. Chords push the cpu useage to > > > > > > 100%+ and become quite broken up. All in all, I'm very happy with > > > > > > the way this is going. Hardly anything worked on > > > > > > wine-20041019-1fc2winehq, but 0.9-1fc2winehq has certainly made > > > > > > more things work. One observation. I tried crystal.dll on > > > > > > numerous occasions, and it would not open. At that time only > > > > > > mfc42.dll was in the system32 directory. After installing Reactor > > > > > > Session One synth, and perhaps something else, more .dll's turned > > > > > > up in system32. I thought I'd try crystal synth again, and this > > > > > > time it worked. The extra .dll's are listed below. > > > > > > msvcirt.dll > > > > > > MSVCP60.DLL > > > > > > Msvcrt.dll > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are a few of the freebie synths I tried, and which worked ok > > > > > > with savihost. > > > > > > Triangle I & Triangle II from http://www.rgcaudio.com > > > > > > Interruptor Dub Siren from http://www.interruptor.ch > > > > > > JXPlugins JX220 from http://www.jxplugins.co.uk > > > > > > LFObia Mocheese from http://www.electronicscene.com/elektracidz > > > > > > LRsynths Trionimox from http://www.alphastrike.de > > > > > > Psychic Modulation Pandemonium from > > > > > > http://www.psychicmodulation.com Tobybear Screamer from > > > > > > http://www.tobybear.de > > > > > > LinPlug Free Alpha from http://www.linplug.com > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd be really interested in knowing why these synths use so much > > > > > > cpu when just lying idle. Nigel. > > > > > > > > > > > > Machine: Aiii-friend 1.3Ghz, 1GB Ram, Audigy2 soundblaster, > > > > > > Built-in Cyberblade i1 graphics. > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nigel, > > > > > Hey - you've been busy! > > > > > > > > > > I had a couple of minutes so I fired up Savihost using Triangle > > > > > 1 and Crystal to see if I could duplicate your results. For those > > > > > synths I see (using top) > > > > > > > > > > Triangle 1 - 6% usr, 6%sys > > > > > Crystal - 20% usr, 80% sys > > > > > > > > > > This is on an AMD64 3000+ machine. > > > > > > > > > > Since Savihost is the main app in both cases (just renamed to > > > > > the dll name) then the difference has to be something in the way > > > > > the dll is written. (duh...) How we find that I'm not so sure. What > > > > > I need is an app that shows CPU usage by thread or process I > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > I'll ask about that on the Wine lists and see what I find out. > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that we do find out something then possibly one day the > > > > > Wine developers (or kernel developers) can do something about it. > > > > > > > > > > Note that in both cases above I ended up using the OSS seting in > > > > > winecfg. The Jack interface doesn't work at all and the Alsa > > > > > interface seemed to have an awful lot of noise. The kernel is > > > > > 2.6.14-rt6, Ingo's latest and the machine is Gentoo based. > > > > > > > > > > I have the Alpha demo downloaded but I haven't installed it yet. > > > > > > > > > > I think we need to work on a way to report this info, and maybe > > > > > a place to store it online. I can see a Wiki where we all can enter > > > > > numbers as being of value, assuming it starys clean. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > Hi Mark. A Wiki is the best option for keeping this info. As you say > > > > it needs to be kept clean, and I'd suggest registration to add or > > > > make alterations to pages in it. I wish I could help to set it up, > > > > but have no idea how to go about setting up a Wiki or a webserver. My > > > > Apache webserver I've tried out once with my son, but on dialup it's > > > > a bit of a no-go anyway. > > > > > > > > The kernel I am using is from planetccrma. 2.6.10-0.4.rdt.rhfc2.ccrma > > > > (32bit). Having finished playing with vst apps a while back, I went > > > > to start qjackctl. It doesn't want to know, throwing back "the > > > > capture device "hw0" is already in use. A bit confused I run ps auxw, > > > > and this shows 5 active pid's for wine. I have, pid 4288 for > > > > /usr/bin/wine-preloader /usr/bin/wine-pthread C:\Program > > > > Files\Native. Also, pid 4291 for /usr/bin/wineserver, and the rest > > > > are using /usr/bin/wine-preloader /usr/bin/wine-pthread > > > > /home/djmons/.wine/driv. Kiliing these and running ps auxw again > > > > shows the same pid's still there, but with the comment "defunkt" . > > > > Normally you kill a pid, run ps auxw again and the pid ids gone. > > > > Qjackctl still won't start jack. I had to do a windoze style reboot > > > > to clear this stuff. Thank you by the way for "top". I havn't used > > > > this before. Right. I've rebooted, and go to wines program files. > > > > Start up Crystal through savihost with top running. Ksim at idle > > > > shows an average of 26% cpu. With top, wineserver is showing an > > > > average of 10.5%, and wine-preloader an average of 7.6%. Playing > > > > Crystal pushes the cpu up to about 50%. I mean. This ain't too bad. > > > > Wine-preloader has gone up to about 13.3% cpu and is staying there > > > > after a few minutes. Wineserver has stayed at the same cpu level. > > > > Closed Crystal and now lost wineserver and wine-preloader from the > > > > top output (which is as it should be). Cpu now running at an average > > > > of 3%. Start Triangle I . Wineserver's cpu about the same as Crystal. > > > > Wine-preloader up a bit, 8.6%. Playing Triangle I pushes the cpu to > > > > about 53% max. Closed Triangle I, and lost wine pid's from top. Tried > > > > qjackctl and starting jack, and no problems. Right. Last try, as I > > > > don't want to use synths that you don't have. Start FreeAlpha. No big > > > > difference here. cpu useage about the same as the others. FreeAlpha > > > > being polyphonic surprisingly only max'd at about 41% cpu when > > > > played. None of this seems too bad. I still can't understand why I > > > > had 5 pid's still running for wine in ps auxw. the only other bits > > > > I'd run from the wine program files were, a pdf manual, and a MS word > > > > .doc through open office for another synth manual. Now I recorded a > > > > bit on one synth and saved it as .wav. But the next question is. How > > > > do I port the output from a VSTi running under savihost and wine, to > > > > an app like Ardour? Thats a whole new ball game. Nigel. > > > > > > Hi Nigel, > > > Maybe you can check this out on your end. Run 'winecfg' and change > > > the audio driver from the default OSS driver to the Alsa driver. Exit > > > winecfg and now run Crystal using Savihost. On my end it no longer > > > uses 100% CPU. > > > > > > I'm off for dinner now. I'll check back in later to see if anyone > > > else gets the same results. > > > > > > I have no idea what the everyday usage implications would be of > > > using Alsa directly vs. using the OSS driver. I guess we can talk > > > about that. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Mark > > > > Hi Mark. I have been using Alsa from the beginning of these tests, and > > the most recent results are above. One VSTi, virsyns Microtera, still > > uses 100% CPU, but you can't expect everything to work OOTB. Nigel. > > Nigel, > I understand that you are using Alsa, but are you are using the > Wine's Alsa driver or wine's OSS driver? The Alsa driver is not the > default audio driver in Wine-0.9. You would have changed this > intentionally before starting to work with Savihost. > > Please let me know when you get a chance. > > - Mark Mark, I'm using Wine's Alsa. Nigel. From fberbain at xs4all.nl Fri Nov 11 10:30:58 2005 From: fberbain at xs4all.nl (Florence Berbain) Date: Fri Nov 11 10:31:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and Linux In-Reply-To: <1131713697.437494a16820b@www1.helsinki.fi> References: <1131713697.437494a16820b@www1.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <4374B932.6070101@xs4all.nl> Sampo Savolainen wrote: > >I'd recommend anything else than ubuntu! As an ardour dev, I've tried >helping people fix their ubuntu systems to get ardour (and other >application) working smoothly. They've ran into strange problems etc. which >newbies can't handle by themselves. > >If you are a linux newbie and your primary goal is to get Linux audio >working smoothly, you should go for Fedore Core 3 + Planet CCRMA >(http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/) > What about DeMuDi? Would that be a good choice? (I'm not a linux newbie, but I'm a sound newbie). Florence From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 10:32:41 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Nov 11 10:32:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Update on savihost + Vsti's under wine In-Reply-To: <1131675528.5758.16.camel@mindpipe> References: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511081803h15fb652fnef83dc7513e2905e@mail.gmail.com> <200511092329.02190.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511101757p4bfe3320w32bfe7585c190162@mail.gmail.com> <1131675528.5758.16.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511110732s5e97cf17qafcd915596bdc003@mail.gmail.com> On 11/10/05, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 17:57 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Maybe you can check this out on your end. Run 'winecfg' and change > > the audio driver from the default OSS driver to the Alsa driver. Exit > > winecfg and now run Crystal using Savihost. On my end it no longer > > uses 100% CPU. > > > > Wine should be using ALSA by default - same as all the major distros and > all new Linux audio apps. Can you report this as a bug to the Wine > developers? > > Lee Lee, One reasonable bit of feedback on the idea of Wine using the Alsa driver as default is that (they contend) Alsa doesn't have a default mixer where as OSS does. One individual considered this very important. I don't actually know if it's true, but I think it is. I would agree that it would be important to me to be able to run multiple Savihost-ed VSTs at the same time. I think the best answer for that is for someone to fix the Wine JAck driver. They also believe their Wine OSS driver is less buggy than their Alsa driver. No comments from me on that one. (Well, one - If true they should fix it!) ;-) As for the CPU usage issue that Nigel and I have seen, a quick search in Google using alsa oss cpu usage problems yields lots of results showing applications that have seen this sort of issue outside of Wine. Often it appears to be an app issue, not really an Alsa or OSS-emulation issue, but it's there. Just info really. - Mark From b0ef at esben-stien.name Fri Nov 11 12:31:09 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Fri Nov 11 10:36:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Icons required for DSSI plugins In-Reply-To: <200511110139.49214.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> (Nigel Henry's message of "Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:39:49 +0000") References: <200511102322.40535.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <874q6k6inb.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <200511110139.49214.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <87hdaj3xcy.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Nigel Henry writes: > could you elaborate It's better to use vector graphics[1], cause no matter how much you scale it, you always have infinite resolution. You can use inkscape[2] to draw vector graphics; it's slow as it's in a transition state to cairo, though. I use blender[3] myself. [1] see examples of vector graphics: http://cairographics.org/samples/fill_and_stroke.html [2] vector drawing application http://inkscape.org [3] vector drawing application http://blender3d.org -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 10:36:55 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Nov 11 10:37:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd has interruptions In-Reply-To: <200511111604.50659.ii001001@yahoo.ca> References: <200511111033.18960.ii001001@yahoo.ca> <5bdc1c8b0511110522m2613c67akbca9948fddfcb9c8@mail.gmail.com> <200511111604.50659.ii001001@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511110736q72b2691ehfb028093d35e1b64@mail.gmail.com> On 11/11/05, I. I. Ooisen wrote: > On Friday 11 November 2005 11:22 am, Mark Knecht wrote: > > i am a newbye to this mailing list (not to emphasize that this is my first > subscription to *any* mailing list!): how can i get access to older messages? > i signed up 24 hours ago :( > Oh, OK. 1) Try to 'bottom post' (your response after the thing you are responding to) as it keeps the thread more readable. 2) Please feel free to trim the post so that it's clear what you are responding to. 3) http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/subscribelau.php 4) Because you are new: Hi, A few comments: 1) The current kernel from Ingo would be 2.4.16-rt9. I think that rt5 didn;t last very long and had some problems. Please try -rt9. 2) Make sure you reinstall the realtime-lsm package after building that kernel. 3) Make sure you create a realtime group and modprobe realtime to enable that group: modprobe realtime gid=600 any=1 where gid=600 is for my realtime group in /etc/groups. 4) Making best use of the kernel requires that you understand the ISR number for your sound card and reset it's priority higher. This helps a lot in reducing or eliminating xruns. 5) Remove .jackrc completely and let your system set a new one. 6) Here are my HDSP 9652 settings: jackd -R -p 64 -d alsa -r 44100 -p 64 -n2 -d hw:1,0 I get a few xruns at -p 64 -n2. I get none at -p 256 -n 2. I am still looking for the root cause of the few xruns I get at 64/2. 7) Make sure you have the Jack FIFOS mounted on tmpfs. As a comment, I don't personally like Jack in /usr local. You might consider rebuilding Jack one of these days with: ./configure --prefix=/usr Hope this all helps a bit,. Cheers, Mark and... On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:03:59 -0800 Mark Knecht wrote: > jackd -R -p 64 -d alsa -r 44100 -p 64 -n2 -d hw:1,0 jackd -R -P 70 ... to set the priority of jackd higher than all soundcard irq handlers besides the soundcard irq. Basically the priority setup should look something like this: keyboard irq handler - 99 rtc irq handler - 99 soundcard irq handler - 98 jackd prio - 70 (creates watchdog at prio 80 and client process() threads at prio 69) all other irq handlers - around 50 (default) Basically there's also some problems with the timer irq's on -rt kernels (which my rt watchdog suffers from). Usually you would want to set softirq-timer and softirq-ktime to high prios, too (so high prio sleeping threads preempt low prio running threads when getting woken up. Actually this should make sure that the timer interrupt which wakes up the high prio thread after its sleep actually gets to run), but this doesn't quite work with the kernels i tested (this is the reason why my rt_watchdog doesn't work right). I'll try with newer kernels and ask ingo about it if the problem persists. Anyways, this should really only be a problem with midi sequencers that are sleep based. When using an irq source for timing this problem should go away. Regards, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org - Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 10:38:56 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Nov 11 10:39:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Update on savihost + Vsti's under wine In-Reply-To: <200511111627.50942.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200511111553.00087.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511110723q291eea2ao89be1d53ed8fe13f@mail.gmail.com> <200511111627.50942.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511110738g57450ddane6a500f21ed6f6e6@mail.gmail.com> On 11/11/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > Nigel, > > I understand that you are using Alsa, but are you are using the > > Wine's Alsa driver or wine's OSS driver? The Alsa driver is not the > > default audio driver in Wine-0.9. You would have changed this > > intentionally before starting to work with Savihost. > > > > Please let me know when you get a chance. > > > > - Mark > Mark, I'm using Wine's Alsa. Nigel. > But you still see the problem. OK, I'll get a few more of these VSTs and test them out today. (hopefully) Green Tag sale at Guitar Center and the need for more disk space may divert my attention for a bit... ;-) I'll have to review the thread for the list of which have the problem and which do not. Cheers, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 10:46:08 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Nov 11 10:46:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and Linux In-Reply-To: <4374B932.6070101@xs4all.nl> References: <1131713697.437494a16820b@www1.helsinki.fi> <4374B932.6070101@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511110746q50d9f4dna4bcc9ac42ce6ba4@mail.gmail.com> On 11/11/05, Florence Berbain wrote: > Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > > > >I'd recommend anything else than ubuntu! As an ardour dev, I've tried > >helping people fix their ubuntu systems to get ardour (and other > >application) working smoothly. They've ran into strange problems etc. which > >newbies can't handle by themselves. > > > >If you are a linux newbie and your primary goal is to get Linux audio > >working smoothly, you should go for Fedore Core 3 + Planet CCRMA > >(http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/) > > > > What about DeMuDi? Would that be a good choice? (I'm not a linux newbie, > but I'm a sound newbie). > > Florence > It seems to be a religious issue. Folks with Redhat background like the Planet. Folks with Debian background seem to like DeMuDi. I used the Planet for a long time and it was a great, great set of tools. Easy to use and very good results. I now mostly use Gentoo. I would not *necessarily* recommend Gentoo for a new Linux user, other than to say that once he/she got it up and running they would be a much more experienced Linux user. ;-) Cheers, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 10:48:59 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Nov 11 10:49:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sony Rooted Kit - get yer cheque book out In-Reply-To: <87mzkb3yga.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <437469F2.80909@walescomputers.co.uk> <87mzkb3yga.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511110748je97df02k36a65316e2a0b06a@mail.gmail.com> On 11/11/05, Esben Stien wrote: > studio-64 writes: > > > This seems to be rolling on! > > They will always roll. This is of no relevance to users of free > software systems in this respect. Please do not be so sure of this. If you are a user of Wine, for instance follow the Savihost/VST thread for a reason, and should you, for some reason, load that CD while in a program running under Wine, then is seems possible that files will get installed. Whether Wine would react to these files is a complete guess. Not likely, I think, but certainly not impossible, depending on what gets installed. ;-) And hey, isn't Sony just giving the buyers of their CDs 'free software'?!?!? ;-) - Mark From bicci at ale.it Fri Nov 11 11:17:23 2005 From: bicci at ale.it (Lorenzo Bicci) Date: Fri Nov 11 11:17:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Vocoder In-Reply-To: <200511111124.jABBNDst007634@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200511111124.jABBNDst007634@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200511111717.23773.bicci@ale.it> Hi everybody! I've found a software Linux vocoder (http://www.sirlab.de/linux/download_vocoder.html) which is available both as a LADSPA plugin and a standalone program. I've got an old Pentium 166MMX with 64MB RAM which is unused, and i'd like to use it as a live vocoder. It would be cool to bring it on the stage, plug a keyboard and a microphone in its audio board(s), turn it on without any display, mouse or keyboard and have it already working as a vocoder. Unfortunately I have no idea of how to make it. I don't know how to make the vocoder (plugin or standalone) start and work automatically after the boot, possibly without having to start a graphical interface (which would be heavy for the poor P166 and totally unuseful, since there's no display). Any idea about how to realise such a thing? Bye, Lorenzo From S.W.Harris at ecs.soton.ac.uk Fri Nov 11 11:27:47 2005 From: S.W.Harris at ecs.soton.ac.uk (Steve Harris) Date: Fri Nov 11 11:27:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Vocoder In-Reply-To: <200511111717.23773.bicci@ale.it> References: <200511111124.jABBNDst007634@roar.music.columbia.edu> <200511111717.23773.bicci@ale.it> Message-ID: <20051111162747.GB3219@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 05:17:23 +0100, Lorenzo Bicci wrote: > Hi everybody! > I've found a software Linux vocoder > (http://www.sirlab.de/linux/download_vocoder.html) which is available both as > a LADSPA plugin and a standalone program. > > I've got an old Pentium 166MMX with 64MB RAM which is unused, and i'd like to > use it as a live vocoder. It would be cool to bring it on the stage, plug a > keyboard and a microphone in its audio board(s), turn it on without any > display, mouse or keyboard and have it already working as a vocoder. The Pentium I series didnt have very fast floating point units, so you might be asking too much for it to run a vocoder in realtime. - Steve From pinojazz at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 11:33:31 2005 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Fri Nov 11 11:33:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <4374870B.9060304@rncbc.org> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <1131633660.10939.374.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43735E4C.6050303@gmx.net> <1131636225.10939.376.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43736E0A.3020400@gmx.net> <43737D82.5040108@infinity.net> <4373843C.8030208@rncbc.org> <4373A0DD.2060200@infinity.net> <437480EE.60409@gmail.com> <4374870B.9060304@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <4374C7DB.2050409@gmail.com> Rui Nuno Capela escribi?: > > Again, I believe the "cannot write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file > descriptor)" message is nothing to worry about. And as it seems from > the results above it just confirms my suspicion. If you're sticking > with a 2.6 kernel, just don't configure jackd with > --enable-capabilities and you're off the hook ;) > > Cheers. Yeah,you are right .I complied jackd as you say and the "cannot write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor)" message doesn't appears anymore.Now the problem is with ardour,that doesn't want to start after thhis compilation. Here is the output : supertux@sid:~$ ardour Ardour/GTK 0.99 (built using 0.604.3 with libardour 0.901.2 and GCC version 4.0.2 (Debian 4.0.2-2)) Copyright (C) 1999-2005 Paul Davis Some portions Copyright (C) Steve Harris, Ari Johnson, Brett Viren, Joel Baker Ardour no ofrece ningn tipo de garant?? 1/2 not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Este software es gratuito.Usted puede distribuirlo under certain conditions; see the source for copying conditions. Loading UI configuration file /etc/ardour/ardour_ui.rc jackd 0.100.0 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. `default' server already active ardour: [ERROR]: Unable to connect to JACK server ardour: [ERROR]: Could not connect to JACK server as "ardour" ardour: [ERROR]: No se pudo conectar a JACK con el nombre "ardour" I also compiled alsa-driver-1.0.10-rc3,but the problem come after the compilation of jackd. Any hint? Thank you very much. Saludos Cheers -- Carlos. From roberts.noah at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 11:45:06 2005 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Fri Nov 11 11:45:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sony Rooted Kit - get yer cheque book out In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511110748je97df02k36a65316e2a0b06a@mail.gmail.com> References: <437469F2.80909@walescomputers.co.uk> <87mzkb3yga.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <5bdc1c8b0511110748je97df02k36a65316e2a0b06a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <567aa5f60511110845m70beb3d9yefa70fe72229b0e5@mail.gmail.com> On 11/11/05, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 11/11/05, Esben Stien wrote: > > studio-64 writes: > > > > > This seems to be rolling on! > > > > They will always roll. This is of no relevance to users of free > > software systems in this respect. > > Please do not be so sure of this. If you are a user of Wine, for > instance follow the Savihost/VST thread for a reason, and should you, > for some reason, load that CD while in a program running under Wine, > then is seems possible that files will get installed. Whether Wine > would react to these files is a complete guess. Not likely, I think, > but certainly not impossible, depending on what gets installed. Reminds me of the article written which tests the Wine emulation of Windows by attempting to infect it with viruses. Most just crashed, some did nothing. Conclusion, Wine is not a true Windows emulator. From bicci at ale.it Fri Nov 11 11:47:21 2005 From: bicci at ale.it (Lorenzo Bicci) Date: Fri Nov 11 11:47:23 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Vocoder In-Reply-To: <200511111635.jABGYast017303@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200511111635.jABGYast017303@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200511111747.21514.bicci@ale.it> I see. Anyway, if anybody could tell me how to build it up... just to try... Maybe one day I'll find a more powerful pc... :-) L. Alle 17:35, venerd? 11 novembre 2005, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu ha scritto: > Re: [linux-audio-user] Vocoder > Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:27:47 +0000 > From: Steve Harris > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Vocoder > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Message-ID: <20051111162747.GB3219@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 05:17:23 +0100, Lorenzo Bicci wrote: >> Hi everybody! >> I've found a software Linux vocoder >> (http://www.sirlab.de/linux/download_vocoder.html) which is available both as >> a LADSPA plugin and a standalone program. >> >> I've got an old Pentium 166MMX with 64MB RAM which is unused, and i'd like to >> use it as a live vocoder. It would be cool to bring it on the stage, plug a >> keyboard and a microphone in its audio board(s), turn it on without any >> display, mouse or keyboard and have it already working as a vocoder. > > The Pentium I series didnt have very fast floating point units, so you > might be asking too much for it to run a vocoder in realtime. > > - Steve From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Nov 11 11:53:59 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri Nov 11 11:51:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <4374C7DB.2050409@gmail.com> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <1131633660.10939.374.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43735E4C.6050303@gmx.net> <1131636225.10939.376.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43736E0A.3020400@gmx.net> <43737D82.5040108@infinity.net> <4373843C.8030208@rncbc.org> <4373A0DD.2060200@infinity.net> <437480EE.60409@gmail.com> <4374870B.9060304@rncbc.org> <4374C7DB.2050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1131728039.14921.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 17:33 +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > Yeah,you are right .I complied jackd as you say and the "cannot write > to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor)" message doesn't > appears anymore.Now the problem is with ardour,that doesn't want to > start after thhis compilation. > Here is the output : my guess is that you have just committed the cardinal sin of setting up your system so that there are two versions of JACK installed. you started one, and ardour is trying to start the other. i wish we could detect this situation and report it more accurately, but we don't know how to right now. you should never ever have more than 1 JACK install on a machine unless you are confident that you know everything there is to know about JACK, and perhaps not even then. when you recompiled JACK, did you remove the old version first? what --prefix= argument did you give configure? --p From v2 at iki.fi Fri Nov 11 12:12:57 2005 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Fri Nov 11 12:13:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and Linux In-Reply-To: <4374B932.6070101@xs4all.nl> References: <1131713697.437494a16820b@www1.helsinki.fi> <4374B932.6070101@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1131729178.4085.12.camel@puppeli> On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 16:30 +0100, Florence Berbain wrote: > Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > >If you are a linux newbie and your primary goal is to get Linux audio > >working smoothly, you should go for Fedore Core 3 + Planet CCRMA > >(http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/) > > > > What about DeMuDi? Would that be a good choice? (I'm not a linux newbie, > but I'm a sound newbie). As DeMuDi is made for audio work it's safe to say that it would be better suited for audio than Ubuntu. I'd suggest CCRMA over any debian for total newbies, but if you aren't a linux newbie, DeMuDi could work well. One warning about DeMuDi though. It isn't _just_ another repository, it installs software which modifies the general behaviour of Debian. This being said. CCRMA affects the behaviour of Fedora also. -- Sampo Savolainen From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 12:14:10 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Nov 11 12:14:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sony Rooted Kit - get yer cheque book out In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60511110845m70beb3d9yefa70fe72229b0e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <437469F2.80909@walescomputers.co.uk> <87mzkb3yga.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <5bdc1c8b0511110748je97df02k36a65316e2a0b06a@mail.gmail.com> <567aa5f60511110845m70beb3d9yefa70fe72229b0e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511110914u5af832c9uafc2565379bcbe6d@mail.gmail.com> On 11/11/05, Noah Roberts wrote: > On 11/11/05, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 11/11/05, Esben Stien wrote: > > > studio-64 writes: > > > > > > > This seems to be rolling on! > > > > > > They will always roll. This is of no relevance to users of free > > > software systems in this respect. > > > > Please do not be so sure of this. If you are a user of Wine, for > > instance follow the Savihost/VST thread for a reason, and should you, > > for some reason, load that CD while in a program running under Wine, > > then is seems possible that files will get installed. Whether Wine > > would react to these files is a complete guess. Not likely, I think, > > but certainly not impossible, depending on what gets installed. > > Reminds me of the article written which tests the Wine emulation of > Windows by attempting to infect it with viruses. Most just crashed, > some did nothing. Conclusion, Wine is not a true Windows emulator. > > Wine stands for 'Wine Is Not and Emulator' so by definition it cannot be a true emulator, right? ;-) However, I agree with your point. I think it unlikely to hurt a Wine install, but who knows? - Mark From ce at christeck.de Fri Nov 11 12:37:33 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri Nov 11 12:37:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and Linux In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511110746q50d9f4dna4bcc9ac42ce6ba4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1131713697.437494a16820b@www1.helsinki.fi> <4374B932.6070101@xs4all.nl> <5bdc1c8b0511110746q50d9f4dna4bcc9ac42ce6ba4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511111837.33731.ce@christeck.de> > I would not *necessarily* recommend Gentoo for a new Linux user, > other than to say that once he/she got it up and running they would > be a much more experienced Linux user. ;-) Seconded. But if you have a bit experience then Gentoo is a really smooth Distro. I'm a Desktop user and tried SuSE and Mandrake before, but none of them survived on my machine as long as Gentoo did :) . Best regards ce From torbenh at gmx.de Fri Nov 11 12:57:03 2005 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Fri Nov 11 12:38:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Update on savihost + Vsti's under wine In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511110738g57450ddane6a500f21ed6f6e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200511111553.00087.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511110723q291eea2ao89be1d53ed8fe13f@mail.gmail.com> <200511111627.50942.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511110738g57450ddane6a500f21ed6f6e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051111175703.GB6801@mobilat> On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 07:38:56AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 11/11/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > > > > Nigel, > > > I understand that you are using Alsa, but are you are using the > > > Wine's Alsa driver or wine's OSS driver? The Alsa driver is not the > > > default audio driver in Wine-0.9. You would have changed this > > > intentionally before starting to work with Savihost. > > > > > > Please let me know when you get a chance. > > > > > > - Mark > > Mark, I'm using Wine's Alsa. Nigel. > > > > But you still see the problem. > > OK, I'll get a few more of these VSTs and test them out today. > (hopefully) Green Tag sale at Guitar Center and the need for more disk > space may divert my attention for a bit... ;-) > > I'll have to review the thread for the list of which have the problem > and which do not. i am especially interested if these problems occur with xfst also. i have almost never seen this. and if i did see 100% it was not in the dsp parts and only the GUI was sluggish, but the sound went on... -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From pcoccoli at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 12:40:48 2005 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Fri Nov 11 12:40:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Vocoder In-Reply-To: <200511111717.23773.bicci@ale.it> References: <200511111124.jABBNDst007634@roar.music.columbia.edu> <200511111717.23773.bicci@ale.it> Message-ID: <8d27a0610511110940vaf7371ay89a3df9b9b1b17c6@mail.gmail.com> On 11/11/05, Lorenzo Bicci wrote: > Hi everybody! > I've found a software Linux vocoder > (http://www.sirlab.de/linux/download_vocoder.html) which is available both as > a LADSPA plugin and a standalone program. > > I've got an old Pentium 166MMX with 64MB RAM which is unused, and i'd like to > use it as a live vocoder. It would be cool to bring it on the stage, plug a > keyboard and a microphone in its audio board(s), turn it on without any > display, mouse or keyboard and have it already working as a vocoder. > > Unfortunately I have no idea of how to make it. I don't know how to make the > vocoder (plugin or standalone) start and work automatically after the boot, > possibly without having to start a graphical interface (which would be heavy > for the poor P166 and totally unuseful, since there's no display). > > Any idea about how to realise such a thing? > Bye, > > > Lorenzo > I've always wanted to do something like this with fluidsynth (no time). The steps as I see them are: 1. Install some distro. Ideally, a minimal one without X11, Gnome, KDE, etc., but WITH sound support. Anyone know of such a distro? 2. Get the synth or vocoder program working 3. Edit /etc/inittab. I think there's a way to automatically have init start a shell as a non-root user. Get it to run a shell script that kicks off the app, makes any MIDI connections, etc. It's much more complicated, I'm sure, but search around for things like "custom linux init scripts" and read the man pages for init and inittab. I wonder if you could get the whole OS+synth small enough to fit on a floppy (well not with fluidsynth, since the soundfonts wouldn't fit). I have an old PII that I could try this with (but probably won't). From jazzride at laposte.net Fri Nov 11 12:29:24 2005 From: jazzride at laposte.net (jazzride) Date: Fri Nov 11 12:52:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Ardour and Linux In-Reply-To: <1131713697.437494a16820b@www1.helsinki.fi> References: <1131713697.437494a16820b@www1.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: Sampo Savolainen a ?crit : >Quoting Soenke Hahn : > > > >>>I want to have a look at Ardour and if you could point me to an OS and >>> >>> >>how >> >> >> >>>to install what, then that'd help me a lot. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>I'd recommend ubuntu: www.ubuntu.com >>It's good for beginners and laptops :) >>Take a look in the wiki there on how to install software...i think there >> >> > >I'd recommend anything else than ubuntu! As an ardour dev, I've tried >helping people fix their ubuntu systems to get ardour (and other >application) working smoothly. They've ran into strange problems etc. which >newbies can't handle by themselves. > >If you are a linux newbie and your primary goal is to get Linux audio >working smoothly, you should go for Fedore Core 3 + Planet CCRMA >(http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/) > >(btw. I have nothing against ubuntu or debian, I use debian myself and >wouldn't change it for the world. But. I'm not a newbie) > > Sampo Savolainen > > > Hi friends I agree with this : Agnula is perfect for music. Don't try do make a "home made agnula ubuntu based" or you're gonna cry. ubuntu is a nice linux for newbies, not for hard work. Not even for "classic" work... 1? Agnula Demudi Debian based 2? APODIO 4.12.4 Mandriva based regards from France :) From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Nov 11 14:17:41 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Nov 11 14:19:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ingo's RT patch: please tell this newbie the best jack settings In-Reply-To: <20051111122237.78e25d3f@mango.fruits.de> References: <4373EE55.2050609@aproximation.org> <1131671421.5758.2.camel@mindpipe> <20051111122237.78e25d3f@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <1131736661.5758.34.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 12:22 +0100, Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:10:20 -0500 > Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 17:05 -0800, thewade wrote: > > > I am curious how to get PD running on my machine > > > processing complex patches but with a latency of 5.33 msec (128 frame > > > buffer size I think) or less. I would even settle fo 10msec (256) with > > > no XRUNS. > > > > > > > You don't need the -rt kernel for that, the standard kernel will work. > > > > Lee > > > > Oh well, not for everyone. If you want to be sure and have no xrun > whatsoever a -rt kernel is definetly the better choice imho (don't have > data to back that up though) I do have some data to back this up, I ran about 100 million samples with 2.6.14 and the biggest latency I saw was ~0.6 ms. For the buffer sizes he wants to use 2.6.14 will work fine. Of course you won't be able to sustain quite as high a DSP load but given the problems people are having with the -rt kernel on x64 it's worth investigating. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Nov 11 14:43:58 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Nov 11 14:45:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ingo's RT patch: please tell this newbie the best jack settings In-Reply-To: <20051111121354.70e17d19@mango.fruits.de> References: <4373EE55.2050609@aproximation.org> <5bdc1c8b0511102003q29f5542bp133acfb6589d4d5f@mail.gmail.com> <20051111121354.70e17d19@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <1131738239.5758.50.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 12:13 +0100, Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:03:59 -0800 > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > jackd -R -p 64 -d alsa -r 44100 -p 64 -n2 -d hw:1,0 > > jackd -R -P 70 ... > > to set the priority of jackd higher than all soundcard irq handlers > besides the soundcard irq. Before you go nuts with tweaking all this stuff, see if 2.6.14 works for you. It might Just Work. I'm having great results with it here. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Nov 11 14:51:48 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Nov 11 14:53:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Update on savihost + Vsti's under wine In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511110732s5e97cf17qafcd915596bdc003@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511081803h15fb652fnef83dc7513e2905e@mail.gmail.com> <200511092329.02190.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511101757p4bfe3320w32bfe7585c190162@mail.gmail.com> <1131675528.5758.16.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0511110732s5e97cf17qafcd915596bdc003@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1131738709.5758.54.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 07:32 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 11/10/05, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 17:57 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > Maybe you can check this out on your end. Run 'winecfg' and change > > > the audio driver from the default OSS driver to the Alsa driver. Exit > > > winecfg and now run Crystal using Savihost. On my end it no longer > > > uses 100% CPU. > > > > > > > Wine should be using ALSA by default - same as all the major distros and > > all new Linux audio apps. Can you report this as a bug to the Wine > > developers? > > > > Lee > > Lee, > One reasonable bit of feedback on the idea of Wine using the Alsa > driver as default is that (they contend) Alsa doesn't have a default > mixer where as OSS does. One individual considered this very > important. I don't actually know if it's true, but I think it is. That's not what he is saying, I think he means that they just haven't had time to implement ALSA mixer API support in Wine. Lee From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 15:03:54 2005 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri Nov 11 15:03:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] lash-enabled sample player In-Reply-To: <1131707877.9556.7.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> References: <4373AF7F.6000504@gmail.com> <1131707877.9556.7.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <4374F92A.6000506@gmail.com> Lars Luthman wrote: > Dave Robillard wrote a LASH patch for Specimen. I think this is it: > http://www.scs.carleton.ca/~drobilla/files/specimen-lash.patch Can't even compile specimen (debian/unstable) even with phat installed from the tarbell from the site. So no patching here for now :-( > You could also use the "Trivial sampler" plugin that comes with DSSI. Well, I haven't got a trivial sampler plugin in om. However: [atte@aarhus ~]$ slocate trivial_sampler /data/atte/tmp/dssi-0.9/examples/trivial_sampler_qt_gui.h /data/atte/tmp/dssi-0.9/examples/trivial_sampler_qt_gui.cpp /data/atte/tmp/dssi-0.9/examples/trivial_sampler.c /data/atte/tmp/dssi-0.9/examples/trivial_sampler.h /data/atte/tmp/dssi-0.9/examples/trivial_sampler.o /data/atte/tmp/dssi-0.9/examples/trivial_sampler.so /data/atte/software/dssi-0.9.1/examples/trivial_sampler.c /data/atte/software/dssi-0.9.1/examples/trivial_sampler.h /data/atte/software/dssi-0.9.1/examples/trivial_sampler_qt_gui.cpp /data/atte/software/dssi-0.9.1/examples/trivial_sampler_qt_gui.h /data/atte/software/dssi-0.9.1/examples/.deps/trivial_sampler_la-trivial_sampler.Plo /data/atte/software/dssi-0.9.1/examples/.deps/trivial_sampler_qt-trivial_sampler_qt_gui.Po /data/atte/software/dssi-0.9.1/examples/.deps/trivial_sampler_qt-trivial_sampler_qt_gui.moc.Po /usr/local/bin/trivial_sampler /usr/local/lib/dssi/trivial_sampler Running "trivial_sampler" on the command line, suggests that the trivial sampler could be used that way, even though I wasn't able to figure out how. Hmmm. Any suggestions how to proceed? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From b0ef at esben-stien.name Fri Nov 11 21:28:38 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Fri Nov 11 19:33:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sony Rooted Kit - get yer cheque book out In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511110748je97df02k36a65316e2a0b06a@mail.gmail.com> (Mark Knecht's message of "Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:48:59 -0800") References: <437469F2.80909@walescomputers.co.uk> <87mzkb3yga.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <5bdc1c8b0511110748je97df02k36a65316e2a0b06a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87zmoazjjd.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Mark Knecht writes: > If you are a user of Wine I'm not, but it doesn't matter. In any case, should anyone exploit a vulnerability in a free software component, it would get fixed after 20 seconds. Such a "cd" or whatever would be "obsolete" before it hit the stands and all of their code would be useless. Such a scheme can not work in the free software domain. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 20:55:04 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Nov 11 20:55:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ingo's RT patch: please tell this newbie the best jack settings In-Reply-To: <1131738239.5758.50.camel@mindpipe> References: <4373EE55.2050609@aproximation.org> <5bdc1c8b0511102003q29f5542bp133acfb6589d4d5f@mail.gmail.com> <20051111121354.70e17d19@mango.fruits.de> <1131738239.5758.50.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511111755x6e309256y33efcb75582a57c@mail.gmail.com> On 11/11/05, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 12:13 +0100, Florian Schmidt wrote: > > On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:03:59 -0800 > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > jackd -R -p 64 -d alsa -r 44100 -p 64 -n2 -d hw:1,0 > > > > jackd -R -P 70 ... > > > > to set the priority of jackd higher than all soundcard irq handlers > > besides the soundcard irq. > > Before you go nuts with tweaking all this stuff, see if 2.6.14 works for > you. It might Just Work. I'm having great results with it here. > > Lee I can empirically support Lee's statements. I run a plain gentoo-sources 2.6.13 kernel on all of my 32-bit machines. I have no problems even with Jack running at 64/2. It's only on my AMD64 machine that I've had to use the -rt patches. I suspect that when the last of the problems get worked out of the 64-bit kernels (or NIC drivers, or video drivers, etc.) I may not need to use the -rt patches for that machine either. As Lee says - try it. It just may work. - Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 20:56:46 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Nov 11 20:56:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Update on savihost + Vsti's under wine In-Reply-To: <20051111175703.GB6801@mobilat> References: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200511111553.00087.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511110723q291eea2ao89be1d53ed8fe13f@mail.gmail.com> <200511111627.50942.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511110738g57450ddane6a500f21ed6f6e6@mail.gmail.com> <20051111175703.GB6801@mobilat> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511111756r23735149r9d109f846834aa5c@mail.gmail.com> On 11/11/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 07:38:56AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 11/11/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nigel, > > > > I understand that you are using Alsa, but are you are using the > > > > Wine's Alsa driver or wine's OSS driver? The Alsa driver is not the > > > > default audio driver in Wine-0.9. You would have changed this > > > > intentionally before starting to work with Savihost. > > > > > > > > Please let me know when you get a chance. > > > > > > > > - Mark > > > Mark, I'm using Wine's Alsa. Nigel. > > > > > > > But you still see the problem. > > > > OK, I'll get a few more of these VSTs and test them out today. > > (hopefully) Green Tag sale at Guitar Center and the need for more disk > > space may divert my attention for a bit... ;-) > > > > I'll have to review the thread for the list of which have the problem > > and which do not. > > i am especially interested if these problems occur with xfst also. > i have almost never seen this. and if i did see 100% it was not in the > dsp parts and only the GUI was sluggish, but the sound went on... > I cannot help on that one as I still cannot build xfst on AMD64. If you want to spend some more time looking at that then I'd be very happy. I'd prefer to use xfst and be a Jack client instead of Savihost with no Wine Jack driver. Cheers, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 20:57:24 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Nov 11 20:57:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Update on savihost + Vsti's under wine In-Reply-To: <1131738709.5758.54.camel@mindpipe> References: <200511090040.12366.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511081803h15fb652fnef83dc7513e2905e@mail.gmail.com> <200511092329.02190.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0511101757p4bfe3320w32bfe7585c190162@mail.gmail.com> <1131675528.5758.16.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0511110732s5e97cf17qafcd915596bdc003@mail.gmail.com> <1131738709.5758.54.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511111757q21b71ec5lafc5c577d4b1397b@mail.gmail.com> On 11/11/05, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 07:32 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 11/10/05, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 17:57 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > Maybe you can check this out on your end. Run 'winecfg' and change > > > > the audio driver from the default OSS driver to the Alsa driver. Exit > > > > winecfg and now run Crystal using Savihost. On my end it no longer > > > > uses 100% CPU. > > > > > > > > > > Wine should be using ALSA by default - same as all the major distros and > > > all new Linux audio apps. Can you report this as a bug to the Wine > > > developers? > > > > > > Lee > > > > Lee, > > One reasonable bit of feedback on the idea of Wine using the Alsa > > driver as default is that (they contend) Alsa doesn't have a default > > mixer where as OSS does. One individual considered this very > > important. I don't actually know if it's true, but I think it is. > > That's not what he is saying, I think he means that they just haven't > had time to implement ALSA mixer API support in Wine. > > Lee > Oh, OK. Thanks. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Nov 11 22:11:16 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Nov 11 22:13:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sony Rooted Kit - get yer cheque book out In-Reply-To: <87zmoazjjd.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <437469F2.80909@walescomputers.co.uk> <87mzkb3yga.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <5bdc1c8b0511110748je97df02k36a65316e2a0b06a@mail.gmail.com> <87zmoazjjd.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <1131765077.11279.20.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2005-11-12 at 03:28 +0100, Esben Stien wrote: > Mark Knecht writes: > > > If you are a user of Wine > > I'm not, but it doesn't matter. > They have backed down, we win. Even the corporate shills otherwise known as the Bush administration have come down on the side of good: http://www.securityfocus.com/print/brief/45 http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2005/11/the_bush_admini.html DHS spokesperson indirectly addressing the Sonys of the world: "'It's very important to remember that it's your intellectual property -- it's not your computer. And in the pursuit of protection of intellectual property, it's important not to defeat or undermine the security measures that people need to adopt in these days.'" Woohoo! Lee From reuben.m at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 22:52:57 2005 From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin) Date: Fri Nov 11 22:53:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour mixer plugins In-Reply-To: <20051107140547.5d94ff75.toka@freebits.de> References: <20051104165437.324f4863.toka@freebits.de> <436BA733.4040503@curates-egg.org> <20051107140547.5d94ff75.toka@freebits.de> Message-ID: On 11/7/05, Marcel Karras wrote: > > Thank you for your suggestions. Can you send me your jack-rack > settings file? I've tried settings for two days now and can't get a > good speaker emulation. It all sounds quite spongy. > Try this one. For reference, I use this with the WhySynth's "String Thingy" preset. (Slightly modified so that I get a more reasonable attack and release) You will probably want to mess with it a little to get a good sound depending upon what the source is like that you are sending to it. This probably doesn't sound very good on higher register stuff. For louder sources raise the knee point on Barry's Satan Maximiser. If it sounds a bit too "heady" try disabling the Tube Amp Emulation. For less "grit" disable the Pointer Cast Distortion. You'll need the following Plugins: Barry's Satan Maximiser Fast Lookahead Limiter TAP TubeWarmth Valve Saturation Simple Expander Pointer Cast Distortion DC Offset Remover Simple Compressor - Peak Envelope Tracking Simple Amplifier Tube Amp Emulation + Tone Controls Freeverb -Reuben -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Tube_Overdrive.rack Type: application/octet-stream Size: 590 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051111/c4afd3d8/Tube_Overdrive.obj From bungee at erodin.demon.co.uk Sat Nov 12 16:06:39 2005 From: bungee at erodin.demon.co.uk (Bungee) Date: Sat Nov 12 16:06:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need a new 'pooter Message-ID: Hi all, I have become reasonably familiar with Linux, and recently completed the transfer of all my existing MIDI compositions to a working setup based around RoseGarden. I have also started experimenting with software synthesisers, ZynAddSubFX being a particular favourite of mine. However, the problem I now have is processor bandwidth. I seem to frequently run at more than 70% (as indicated by Gkrellm) and just a sniff above that and things start to sound really horrible. Also, the on-board sound card really can't manage the quality I want, either for recording or playback. The obvious solution is to build a completely new system specifically for sound work, but I am totally baffled by the choices. MB, Processor, Memory, Sound Card, and on, and on... Can anyone suggest where I can go to get this all put together? I don't mind paying for a GOOD system, and apart from the fact that all my files MUST be in an open format I'm not too fussed about which distro/apps to use. Of course, not only do I want to know what to get, I also need to know where to get it. Somewhere North of the Isle of Wight would be a good start! -- Bungee From johnmulholland at fastmail.fm Sat Nov 12 18:42:07 2005 From: johnmulholland at fastmail.fm (John Mulholland) Date: Sat Nov 12 18:42:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need a new 'pooter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43767DCF.3040608@fastmail.fm> Well audio specific hardware aside, there is a beast of a system which would do the job nicely. It is called the DNUK Workstar W420E-HE (1), and it is reviewed in this months Linux User & Developer magazine. If I had the money, it is what I would go for. Elsewhere, Digital Village are doing some dual core stuff at the moment, and are becoming more Linux aware. Both of those machines are relatively future proof. Worth checking out. Also whilst rambling about music, I have put together a little introductory feature in this months Music Tech Magazine, all about Linux music software. Perhaps take a look at that for some ideas or inspiration. Of course it is a tricky one, money to spend, a new music setup to create...... ahhh you get no sympathy!! :) John 1. https://secure.dnuk.com/systems/w420-he.php Bungee wrote: >Hi all, > >I have become reasonably familiar with Linux, and recently completed the >transfer of all my existing MIDI compositions to a working setup based around >RoseGarden. I have also started experimenting with software synthesisers, >ZynAddSubFX being a particular favourite of mine. However, the problem I now >have is processor bandwidth. I seem to frequently run at more than 70% (as >indicated by Gkrellm) and just a sniff above that and things start to sound >really horrible. Also, the on-board sound card really can't manage the quality I >want, either for recording or playback. > >The obvious solution is to build a completely new system specifically for sound >work, but I am totally baffled by the choices. MB, Processor, Memory, Sound >Card, and on, and on... > >Can anyone suggest where I can go to get this all put together? I don't mind >paying for a GOOD system, and apart from the fact that all my files MUST be in >an open format I'm not too fussed about which distro/apps to use. > >Of course, not only do I want to know what to get, I also need to know where to >get it. Somewhere North of the Isle of Wight would be a good start! > > > From loki.davison at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 19:24:04 2005 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sat Nov 12 19:24:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need a new 'pooter In-Reply-To: <43767DCF.3040608@fastmail.fm> References: <43767DCF.3040608@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: On 11/13/05, John Mulholland wrote: > Well audio specific hardware aside, there is a beast of a system which > would do the job nicely. It is called the DNUK Workstar W420E-HE (1), > and it is reviewed in this months Linux User & Developer magazine. If I > had the money, it is what I would go for. Elsewhere, Digital Village are > doing some dual core stuff at the moment, and are becoming more Linux > aware. Both of those machines are relatively future proof. Worth > checking out. > > Also whilst rambling about music, I have put together a little > introductory feature in this months Music Tech Magazine, all about Linux > music software. Perhaps take a look at that for some ideas or inspiration. > > Of course it is a tricky one, money to spend, a new music setup to > create...... ahhh you get no sympathy!! :) > > John > > 1. https://secure.dnuk.com/systems/w420-he.php > > > Bungee wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >I have become reasonably familiar with Linux, and recently completed the > >transfer of all my existing MIDI compositions to a working setup based > around > >RoseGarden. I have also started experimenting with software synthesisers, > >ZynAddSubFX being a particular favourite of mine. However, the problem I > now > >have is processor bandwidth. I seem to frequently run at more than 70% (as > >indicated by Gkrellm) and just a sniff above that and things start to > sound > >really horrible. Also, the on-board sound card really can't manage the > quality I > >want, either for recording or playback. > > > >The obvious solution is to build a completely new system specifically for > sound > >work, but I am totally baffled by the choices. MB, Processor, Memory, > Sound > >Card, and on, and on... > > > >Can anyone suggest where I can go to get this all put together? I don't > mind > >paying for a GOOD system, and apart from the fact that all my files MUST be > in > >an open format I'm not too fussed about which distro/apps to use. > > > >Of course, not only do I want to know what to get, I also need to know > where to > >get it. Somewhere North of the Isle of Wight would be a good start! > > > That system seem WAY too expensive. My AMD64 system, with sata drives, etc was AUD600 with a 17" CRT and nvidia 6600LE. That's 252 GBP. With dual core processor it is 80 GBP more. I'd buy a system like this and get a decent sound card, m-audio, echo or something like that. Loki From ce at christeck.de Sat Nov 12 19:40:54 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Nov 12 19:40:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect Message-ID: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> Hi all, I'd be glad to hear any comments on the following annoying problem. If we could locate and eliminate the reason for this bug, this would be great. I have various USB audio/midi devices: * Midisport 8x8 * Terratec Aureon USB * m-audio Trigger Finger Not always but often when I disconnect them from my machine, I loose my keyboard so I have to restart the machine. During the shutdown, the machine hangs when shutting down hotplug. After the reboot, some hardware is still messed, e.g. no DSL connection can be established. I have to reboot the machine again, then it works. I tried to monitor the messages-log and the xorg-log but I got no valuable information. I see the following misbehaviours: * No keyboard at all * Konsole (the KDE console emulation) cannot be closed. It hangs * The machine hangs at shutdown when trying to stop hotplug. I see a kernel Ooops, and it reports a segfaut. see http://www.christeck.de/files/DSCN1061.JPG for details. A thing that all used devices share is that they do not register properly on the USB bus. Instead of registering as usb audio devices, these register as HID (human input device) or similar on the bus. The question is: * Anyone else having this behaviour? * Does anyone have a clue which software (hotplug, X.org, KDE) causes the keyboard disconnect? * Any hints which other software components can cause this? I'd be very glad if we could find the reason for this behaviour and report it to the responsible project so the devices can be blacklisteted there. Thanks & best regards ce From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Nov 12 19:58:08 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Nov 12 19:59:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect In-Reply-To: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1131843488.15223.22.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 01:40 +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > Hi all, > > > I'd be glad to hear any comments on the following annoying problem. If > we could locate and eliminate the reason for this bug, this would be > great. > > I have various USB audio/midi devices: > > * Midisport 8x8 > * Terratec Aureon USB > * m-audio Trigger Finger > > Not always but often when I disconnect them from my machine, I loose my > keyboard so I have to restart the machine. During the shutdown, the > machine hangs when shutting down hotplug. This bug was thought to have been fixed a long, long time ago. How old is your kernel and ALSA version? Lee From ii001001 at yahoo.ca Sun Nov 13 04:19:21 2005 From: ii001001 at yahoo.ca (I. I. Ooisen) Date: Sun Nov 13 00:19:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd has interruptions In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511110736q72b2691ehfb028093d35e1b64@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511111033.18960.ii001001@yahoo.ca> <200511111604.50659.ii001001@yahoo.ca> <5bdc1c8b0511110736q72b2691ehfb028093d35e1b64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511130719.21314.ii001001@yahoo.ca> On Friday 11 November 2005 01:36 pm, Mark Knecht wrote: thank you very much for your kindness to provide me so much info. i use qsynth. would any other one be more recommendable? which other good synths are there, anyway? (it seem i can't make my soundcard use its own midi driver) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ce at christeck.de Sun Nov 13 05:18:28 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Nov 13 05:18:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect In-Reply-To: <1131843488.15223.22.camel@mindpipe> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <1131843488.15223.22.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200511131118.28397.ce@christeck.de> Hi, > This bug was thought to have been fixed a long, long time ago. ?How > old is your kernel and ALSA version? I'm still running a 2.6.10 vanilla with the Rt-LSM patch applied, ALSA is at Driver Version 1.0.6. Is this too old? But if it already is fixed I'd be glad. Best regards ce From esaracco at free.fr Sun Nov 13 07:31:28 2005 From: esaracco at free.fr (Emmanuel Saracco) Date: Sun Nov 13 07:31:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [HOWTO] How to create music with GNU/Linux Message-ID: <1131885088.3771.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I am currently writing a Tutorial ("How to create music with GNU/Linux") under GFDL. Current working copy is available here (in HTML, PDF and DocBook XML format): http://esaracco.free.fr/documentations/linuxaudio/linuxaudio/ http://esaracco.free.fr/index.php Comments, corrections and contributions are welcome. ----- Table of Contents ----- Forword 1. System settings and tuning 1.1. My own system configuration 1.2. File system 1.3. Linux Kernel 1.4. Realtime module 2. Building required audio softwares 2.1. Jack Audio Connection Kit 2.2. Qjackctl 2.3. LADSPA 2.3.1. LADSPA plugins 2.4. DSSI 2.5. Hydrogen 2.6. QSynth 2.7. ZynAddSubFX 2.8. Rosegarden 2.8.1. Building from a CVS branch 2.8.2. Building the stable 1.0 release 2.9. Ardour 2.10. Jack Timemachine 2.11. Rezound 3. Soundfonts 3.1. Getting soundfonts 3.2. Using soundfonts 3.2.1. With Soundblaster soundcard 3.2.2. With other soundcards 4. Create music 4.1. Execute Jack at first 4.2. Playing with ZynAddSubFX 4.3. Playing with Hydrogen 4.4. Playing with Rosegarden 4.4.1. Rosegarden settings 4.4.2. Using soft synthetizers 4.5. Playing with Ardour 5. Capturing and encoding 5.1. Playing with Timemachine 5.2. Playing with Rezound 5.3. Playing with Oggenc and Lame A. Usefull Audio Links A.1. Mailing-lists A.2. Web sites B. My compositions Colophon ----- Thanks, Bye From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 09:42:54 2005 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun Nov 13 09:42:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] keyboard/soundcard w. linux Message-ID: <437750EE.3050209@gmail.com> Hi I was wondering id the edirol pcr-1 is working under linux? If not are there other 2 octave usb keys with soundcard that are? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 09:55:37 2005 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun Nov 13 09:55:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... In-Reply-To: <1131728039.14921.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <1131633660.10939.374.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43735E4C.6050303@gmx.net> <1131636225.10939.376.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43736E0A.3020400@gmx.net> <43737D82.5040108@infinity.net> <4373843C.8030208@rncbc.org> <4373A0DD.2060200@infinity.net> <437480EE.60409@gmail.com> <4374870B.9060304@rncbc.org> <4374C7DB.2050409@gmail.com> <1131728039.14921.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <437753E9.2020402@gmail.com> Hi,sorry about the delay of the answer,I'd been very busy. First of all tank you very much for interesting in my message,I couldn't imagine to have a response from the main developer of one of the best things made for Linux-Audio,and excuse my english. I'm very newbie in this kind of linux tasks,and try to learn as much as I can. I'm trying to build my own audio-system and compile only the more ussual apps for me;Ardour and Jack are the main core of this.By now I take the Demudi kernel till I learn to compile my own,and compile with succes Ardour and some other apps.Before try to compile jack I installed it from Sid and everythings works fine but the message that shows at the window messages, that doesn't have influence with the normal function of jackd. Paul Davis escribi?: >On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 17:33 +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > > >> Yeah,you are right .I complied jackd as you say and the "cannot write >>to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor)" message doesn't >>appears anymore.Now the problem is with ardour,that doesn't want to >>start after thhis compilation. >> Here is the output : >> >> > >my guess is that you have just committed the cardinal sin of setting up >your system so that there are two versions of JACK installed.you >started one, and ardour is trying to start the other. i wish we could >detect this situation and report it more accurately, but we don't know >how to right now. you should never ever have more than 1 JACK install on >a machine unless you are confident that you know everything there is to >know about JACK, and perhaps not even then. > > Ok it will be present in the future. >when you recompiled JACK, did you remove the old version first? > I did many things in the procces and probably no.At the second time I remove all about jack and try again.But if I remove the compilation installed and do an apt-get install jackd,everything goes back to the fine working but the "cannot write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor)" message return. > what >--prefix= argument did you give configure? > > First I did --prefix=/usr and later leave blank to use the default settings Now I'm at the begin again,I removed all the jack staff and have the source code to try to compile.I will read more about this and see what happens. >--p > > > > Again thank you very much for your interest. Saludos from Spain Cheers -- Carlos. From clemens at ladisch.de Sun Nov 13 11:12:30 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Sun Nov 13 11:12:42 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] keyboard/soundcard w. linux In-Reply-To: <437750EE.3050209@gmail.com> References: <437750EE.3050209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1131898350.437765ee360e7@webmail.uni-halle.de> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > I was wondering id the edirol pcr-1 is working under linux? Yes. > If not are there other 2 octave usb keys with soundcard that are? http://qbik.ch/usb/devices/search_res.php?pattern=midi+keyboard HTH Clemens From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 12:06:22 2005 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun Nov 13 12:07:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems starting JACK... Message-ID: <4377728E.5000500@gmail.com> > > Hi,sorry about the delay of the answer,I'd been very busy. > First of all tank you very much for interesting in my message,I > couldn't imagine to have a response from the main developer of one of > the best things made for Linux-Audio,and excuse my english. > > I'm very newbie in this kind of linux tasks,and try to learn as > much as I can. > I'm trying to build my own audio-system and compile only the more > ussual apps for me;Ardour and Jack are the main core of this.By now I > take the Demudi kernel till I learn to compile my own,and compile with > succes Ardour and some other apps.Before try to compile jack I > installed it from Sid and everythings works fine but the message > that shows at the window messages, that doesn't have influence with > the normal function of jackd. > > > > Paul Davis escribi?: > >> On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 17:33 +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: >> >> >>> Yeah,you are right .I complied jackd as you say and the "cannot >>> write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor)" message >>> doesn't appears anymore.Now the problem is with ardour,that >>> doesn't want to start after thhis compilation. >>> Here is the output : >>> >> >> >> my guess is that you have just committed the cardinal sin of setting up >> your system so that there are two versions of JACK installed.you >> started one, and ardour is trying to start the other. i wish we could >> detect this situation and report it more accurately, but we don't know >> how to right now. you should never ever have more than 1 JACK install on >> a machine unless you are confident that you know everything there is to >> know about JACK, and perhaps not even then. >> >> > Ok it will be present in the future. > >> when you recompiled JACK, did you remove the old version first? >> > I did many things in the procces and probably no.At the second time > I remove all about jack and try again.But if I remove the compilation > installed and do an apt-get install jackd,everything goes back to the > fine working but the "cannot write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file > descriptor)" message return. > >> what >> --prefix= argument did you give configure? >> >> > First I did --prefix=/usr and later leave blank to use the default > settings > > Now I'm at the begin again,I removed all the jack staff and have the > source code to try to compile.I will read more about this and see what > happens. > >> --p >> >> >> >> > Again thank you very much for your interest. > > Saludos from Spain > Cheers > -- Carlos. > Hi again Paul and everyone at the list,after recompile jack I'd recompile ardour and qjackctl.Everything is working better now . To compile jack I did: configure --prefix=/usr --enable-posix-shm --with-default-tmpdir=/mnt/ramfs For Ardour I did: scons PREFIX=/usr BUILD_SSE_OPTIMIZATIONS=1 USE_SSE_EVERYWHERE=0 KSI=0 For qjackctl : configure --prefix=/usr Thanks a lot. Saludos Cheers -- Carlos From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 12:13:33 2005 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun Nov 13 12:13:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [HOWTO] How to create music with GNU/Linux In-Reply-To: <1131885088.3771.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1131885088.3771.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4377743D.2050105@gmail.com> Emmanuel Saracco wrote: >Hi, > >I am currently writing a Tutorial ("How to create music with GNU/Linux") >under GFDL. Current working copy is available here (in HTML, PDF and >DocBook XML format): > >http://esaracco.free.fr/documentations/linuxaudio/linuxaudio/ >http://esaracco.free.fr/index.php > >Comments, corrections and contributions are welcome. > >----- Table of Contents ----- >Forword >1. System settings and tuning >1.1. My own system configuration >1.2. File system >1.3. Linux Kernel >1.4. Realtime module >2. Building required audio softwares >2.1. Jack Audio Connection Kit >2.2. Qjackctl >2.3. LADSPA >2.3.1. LADSPA plugins >2.4. DSSI >2.5. Hydrogen >2.6. QSynth >2.7. ZynAddSubFX >2.8. Rosegarden >2.8.1. Building from a CVS branch >2.8.2. Building the stable 1.0 release >2.9. Ardour >2.10. Jack Timemachine >2.11. Rezound >3. Soundfonts >3.1. Getting soundfonts >3.2. Using soundfonts >3.2.1. With Soundblaster soundcard >3.2.2. With other soundcards >4. Create music >4.1. Execute Jack at first >4.2. Playing with ZynAddSubFX >4.3. Playing with Hydrogen >4.4. Playing with Rosegarden >4.4.1. Rosegarden settings >4.4.2. Using soft synthetizers >4.5. Playing with Ardour >5. Capturing and encoding >5.1. Playing with Timemachine >5.2. Playing with Rezound >5.3. Playing with Oggenc and Lame >A. Usefull Audio Links >A.1. Mailing-lists >A.2. Web sites >B. My compositions >Colophon >----- > >Thanks, > >Bye > > > > Fantastic site.It's been very helpfull for me some minutes ago.I put it in my bookmarks. Merci beaucoup. Saludos -- Carlos. From renueden at earthlink.net Sun Nov 13 12:17:00 2005 From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken) Date: Sun Nov 13 12:17:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect In-Reply-To: <1131843488.15223.22.camel@mindpipe> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <1131843488.15223.22.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4377750C.7040905@earthlink.net> Lee Revell wrote: >On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 01:40 +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > >>Hi all, >> >> >>I'd be glad to hear any comments on the following annoying problem. If >>we could locate and eliminate the reason for this bug, this would be >>great. >> >>I have various USB audio/midi devices: >> >>* Midisport 8x8 >>* Terratec Aureon USB >>* m-audio Trigger Finger >> >>Not always but often when I disconnect them from my machine, I loose my >>keyboard so I have to restart the machine. During the shutdown, the >>machine hangs when shutting down hotplug. >> >> > >This bug was thought to have been fixed a long, long time ago. How old >is your kernel and ALSA version? > >Lee > > > > i have this same bug on fedora core 3 planetccrma kernel. any help would be great... From pete.leigh at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 12:28:29 2005 From: pete.leigh at gmail.com (Peter Leigh) Date: Sun Nov 13 12:28:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] UA-25 and other USB audio options Message-ID: Hi everyone, my first post here, after a long while lurking and reading archives - so first: thanks for all the help I've already got from this list (quite a lot!) I want to do some audio stuff on my new laptop - it's an AMD-64 box with a via k8t890 / vt8237 chipset.. I'm able to get jackd at -p 64 on an unpatched 2.6.14-rc5 kernel, but I'd like a better quality soundcard. It has ExpressCard slot, but no PCMCIA, so that is out, and the firewire support looks too experimental for me just now, leaving me with USB as the only option, it seems. Ideally, I'd like to work in 64-bit mode, but I can boot into a 32-bit installation if unavoidable (32-bit is gentoo, 64-bit is slamd64 right now). After looking at the market, the edirol / roland UA-25 looks like a good basic unit for my needs (occasional mic recording, guitar input, midi) and my budget (not entirely fixed, but the ~ 150 GBP is, er, "convenient" just now..:) However I've seen some problems mentioned on this list with that card, and I'm unsure about the via usb controller on my m/b: 00:10.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) [four of these, though only 3 physical ports..] 00:10.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 86) (prog-if 20 [EHCI]) I've seen some worrying things written about the VT82xxxxx and audio. I've also looked into the UR-80, similarly priced Tascam and M-audio models, the UA-101 (more expensive, but I could just about buy that if it turned out to be a good idea), the BCA-2000 (what a shame!) and the Mindprint Trio USB (which has no midi, but looks like an interesting bit of kit - again, I could just about stretch to it - it claims to work with standard USB drivers on windows, but haven't seen any mention of it on linux-related sites..) I'd welcome any advice related to the above, in particular reports of working UA-25's on VT82xxxxx (rev 81! ;-) controllers, or strong recommendations pro or anti the other hardware I've mentioned, or indeed ones I haven't thought of.. Thanks for any contributions received! Cheers, - Pete. From ce at christeck.de Sun Nov 13 12:45:04 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Nov 13 12:44:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect In-Reply-To: <4377750C.7040905@earthlink.net> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <1131843488.15223.22.camel@mindpipe> <4377750C.7040905@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200511131845.04760.ce@christeck.de> > i have this same bug on fedora core 3 planetccrma kernel. ?any help > would be great... could you please post your kernel and ALSA version? Simply type uname -a cat /proc/asound/version in a shell window. Best regards ce From renueden at earthlink.net Sun Nov 13 12:52:34 2005 From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken) Date: Sun Nov 13 12:53:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect In-Reply-To: <200511131845.04760.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <1131843488.15223.22.camel@mindpipe> <4377750C.7040905@earthlink.net> <200511131845.04760.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <43777D62.4010604@earthlink.net> Christoph Eckert wrote: >>i have this same bug on fedora core 3 planetccrma kernel. any help >>would be great... >> >> > >could you please post your kernel and ALSA version? Simply type > >uname -a >cat /proc/asound/version > >in a shell window. > > >Best regards > > > ce > > > > > [nunativs@localhost ~]$ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.10-2.1.ll.rhfc3.ccrma #1 Thu Dec 30 03:08:13 EST 2004 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux [nunativs@localhost ~]$ cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.9rc1. Compiled on Mar 22 2005 for kernel 2.6.10-2.1.ll.rhfc3.ccrma. [nunativs@localhost ~]$ From ce at christeck.de Sun Nov 13 13:13:13 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Nov 13 13:13:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect In-Reply-To: <43777D62.4010604@earthlink.net> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <200511131845.04760.ce@christeck.de> <43777D62.4010604@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200511131913.13554.ce@christeck.de> OK, > Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.10-2.1.ll.rhfc3.ccrma #1 Thu Dec 30 > 03:08:13 EST 2004 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux > [nunativs@localhost ~]$ cat /proc/asound/version > Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.9rc1. as Lee wrote it can be the bug is meanwhile fixed (2.6.10 is rather dated). Maybe there's a newer Kernel version you could install? Best regards ce From arnold.krille at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 13:16:05 2005 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Sun Nov 13 13:16:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need a new 'pooter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2def88b80511131016n4b21ac74y@mail.gmail.com> Some basic tips, without prices: On 11/12/05, Bungee wrote: > The obvious solution is to build a completely new system specifically for > sound > work, but I am totally baffled by the choices. MB, Processor, Memory, Sound > Card, and on, and on... Processor: Either a P4 or a AMD64, the amds are cheaper and have more power :-) MB: Something that is suitable for the processor and has the needed connectors for hd etc. Memory: As much as possible! Personally I prefer Kingston as they give warranty for the full lifetime and I had much trouble with cheap memory. Sound card: Thats a real question and depends on your needs... Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 13:35:23 2005 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun Nov 13 13:34:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] keyboard/soundcard w. linux In-Reply-To: <1131898350.437765ee360e7@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <437750EE.3050209@gmail.com> <1131898350.437765ee360e7@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4377876B.5000506@gmail.com> Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Yes. Both midi and audio? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From julien at c-lab.de Sun Nov 13 14:15:58 2005 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun Nov 13 14:16:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] simple ZynAddSubFX question Message-ID: Hi! As some of you know I'm blind, but I wanted to show ZynAddSubFX in all its GUI-splender to a friend of mine. Can anyone tell me how to load one of the example banks? All we were able to do was to test some reverb-effects with- I believe - sinewaves. The system is SuSE 9.3 ZynAddSubFX 2.1.1 (I looked up the examples and found them in /usr/share/ZynAdSubFX and this is in the searchpath of the program. I just said it to state that all seems well with the installation. Thanks for a newbie-friendly discription... :-) Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sun Nov 13 08:19:17 2005 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sun Nov 13 14:41:31 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [HOWTO] How to create music with GNU/Linux In-Reply-To: <1131885088.3771.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1131885088.3771.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20051113131917.GA6978@phlunky.Belkin> On Sun, 13 Nov, 2005 at 01:31PM +0100, Emmanuel Saracco spake thus: > Hi, > > I am currently writing a Tutorial ("How to create music with GNU/Linux") > under GFDL. Current working copy is available here (in HTML, PDF and > DocBook XML format): > > http://esaracco.free.fr/documentations/linuxaudio/linuxaudio/ > http://esaracco.free.fr/index.php > > Comments, corrections and contributions are welcome. Wow. This is a big project. I like the idea of consolidating documentation like this for people new to the scene. Have you considered opening up the development? A wiki might work. I know I would like to add bits and pieces - seq24 for example, or jack-rack, or jamin. Good luck with this. It's an ambitious project, and I wish you well. James > Forword > 1. System settings and tuning > 1.1. My own system configuration > 1.2. File system > 1.3. Linux Kernel > 1.4. Realtime module > 2. Building required audio softwares > 2.1. Jack Audio Connection Kit > 2.2. Qjackctl > 2.3. LADSPA > 2.3.1. LADSPA plugins > 2.4. DSSI > 2.5. Hydrogen > 2.6. QSynth > 2.7. ZynAddSubFX > 2.8. Rosegarden > 2.8.1. Building from a CVS branch > 2.8.2. Building the stable 1.0 release > 2.9. Ardour > 2.10. Jack Timemachine > 2.11. Rezound > 3. Soundfonts > 3.1. Getting soundfonts > 3.2. Using soundfonts > 3.2.1. With Soundblaster soundcard > 3.2.2. With other soundcards > 4. Create music > 4.1. Execute Jack at first > 4.2. Playing with ZynAddSubFX > 4.3. Playing with Hydrogen > 4.4. Playing with Rosegarden > 4.4.1. Rosegarden settings > 4.4.2. Using soft synthetizers > 4.5. Playing with Ardour > 5. Capturing and encoding > 5.1. Playing with Timemachine > 5.2. Playing with Rezound > 5.3. Playing with Oggenc and Lame > A. Usefull Audio Links > A.1. Mailing-lists > A.2. Web sites > B. My compositions > Colophon > > Thanks, > > Bye > > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From esaracco at free.fr Sun Nov 13 14:59:48 2005 From: esaracco at free.fr (Emmanuel Saracco) Date: Sun Nov 13 14:59:52 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [HOWTO] How to create music with GNU/Linux In-Reply-To: <20051113131917.GA6978@phlunky.Belkin> References: <1131885088.3771.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20051113131917.GA6978@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <1131911988.7556.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le dimanche 13 novembre 2005 ? 13:19 +0000, james@dis-dot-dat.net a ?crit : Hi James, > Wow. This is a big project. I like the idea of consolidating > documentation like this for people new to the scene. > > Have you considered opening up the development? A wiki might work. I Personnaly I think that wikis are not really efficient for tutorials like this. I prefer to manage patches and comments and release versions. > know I would like to add bits and pieces - seq24 for example, or > jack-rack, or jamin. Great! Easy: just send me DocBook XML patches or simple text with screenshots. > Good luck with this. It's an ambitious project, and I wish you well. Thanks, Bye From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sun Nov 13 14:48:47 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun Nov 13 15:00:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect In-Reply-To: <200511131845.04760.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <4377750C.7040905@earthlink.net> <200511131845.04760.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200511131948.48103.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 13 November 2005 17:45, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > i have this same bug on fedora core 3 planetccrma kernel. ?any help > > would be great... > > could you please post your kernel and ALSA version? Simply type > > uname -a > cat /proc/asound/version > > in a shell window. > > > Best regards > > > ce Hi Christoph. I'm on FC3 at the moment, only have a usb-midi-keyboard on the USB. I tried switching the keyboard off an on. No problems with the computer keyboard. Tried unplugging USB, but no keyboard problems. Plug it back in, and everything works ok. This machine is on a LAN, going through a Smoothwall Express2 firewall to a serial modem. Kernel: 2.6.11-0.3rdt.rhfc3.ccrma Alsa version: 1.0.9rc1 All the best. Nigel. From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 16:19:54 2005 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun Nov 13 16:20:04 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler compilation problems Message-ID: <4377ADFA.70307@gmail.com> Hi there, Im trying to compile linuxsampler from source and get this message at the make process: Synthesizer.cpp:54: instantiated from here ../common/Resampler.h:142: error: memory input 2 is not directly addressable make[4]: *** [Synthesizer.lo] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/supertux/proceso/linuxsampler/linuxsampler-0.3.3/src/engines/gig' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/supertux/proceso/linuxsampler/linuxsampler-0.3.3/src/engines' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/supertux/proceso/linuxsampler/linuxsampler-0.3.3/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/supertux/proceso/linuxsampler/linuxsampler-0.3.3' make: *** [all] Error 2 Before this I compiled libgig (as explained at the web project) with succes. I've googled a lot but didn't found information about this error message. Could someone give some light? I don't know what must I look for. Thanks in advance. Saludos Cheers -- Carlos. From ce at christeck.de Sun Nov 13 16:52:09 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Nov 13 16:51:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] simple ZynAddSubFX question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200511132252.10088.ce@christeck.de> Hi Julien, > As some of you know I'm blind, but I wanted to show ZynAddSubFX in > all its GUI-splender to a friend of mine. Can anyone tell me how to > load one of the example banks? on my machine, zyn always asks "Welcome to Zyn" where I can choose to start it in beginner or advanced mode. When choosing the beginner mode then in the GUI there appears a button called "Click here to load a(n) instrument". After choosing it, a bank window appears. On the left top corner there's a combobox which can be used to choose one of the predefined banks called something like "Bass", "Brass", "Guitar" and so on. Select one, then click on one particular sound in the table. I don't know how useful this is for you, so don't hesitate to contact me per PM if you need further information. Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Sun Nov 13 16:55:20 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Nov 13 16:55:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect In-Reply-To: <200511131948.48103.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <200511131845.04760.ce@christeck.de> <200511131948.48103.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <200511132255.21018.ce@christeck.de> Hi, > Kernel: 2.6.11-0.3rdt.rhfc3.ccrma > Alsa version: 1.0.9rc1 thanks for the info. At least it appears that the bug is solved. I hesitate to update the kernel, because the last time it caused *lots* of troubles on my machine. Still dreaming about a stock kernel being perfect for audio use :) . Best regards ce From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 21:49:23 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Nov 13 21:49:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAU - List Administration Quistion/Issue Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511131849l2d889289pf103f77a28ef87dc@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Josh Lawrence is someone that signed up for this list but the list seems to be denying his attempts at posting. He has written me off line to help him out. Who is the list admin and how can we get this worked out for Josh? Thanks, Mark From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Sun Nov 13 18:41:57 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sun Nov 13 22:37:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RMS and peak levels: meters In-Reply-To: <43663FD3.9020809@poeticstudios.com> References: <200510290052.06539.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <436604B5.7090601@systemsfusion.com> <43663FD3.9020809@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <200511140041.57715.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> On Monday 31 October 2005 17:01, Cesare wrote: > The definition of 'normalization' in the description of the software > linked below is, IMHO, too vague. And normalization is not enough for > your purpose. I agree, that's why I am thinking that I need _average_ meters > To my understanding, normalization means finding the maxpeak level of > the entire track and scale the signal to use the highest possible level > without having distortion (when there's the maximum peak). > > I suggest that you *just need to trust your ears*, listening to the > first track and the adjusting the volume of the second according to your > perception. A compressor/limiter would help with the peaks. > > Try this instead: > > http://jamin.sourceforge.net/ Nice info, I remastered the song with this info, thanks > or just apply a compressor before the output of your audio software of > choice. > > c. > www.cesaremarilungo.com > > Andrew Lewis wrote: > >Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > >>As instance, suppose I want to master my song at a similar RMS level as > >>another audio file has. > >>What should I use? > > > >http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~cvaill/normalize/ > > > >-Drew -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) fecha: s?b nov 12 21:05:01 CET 2005 ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Mon Nov 14 01:33:22 2005 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Mon Nov 14 01:33:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler compilation problems In-Reply-To: <4377ADFA.70307@gmail.com> References: <4377ADFA.70307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051114173322.3a036505.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Carlos Pino wrote: > Hi there, > Im trying to compile linuxsampler from source and get this message at > the make process: > > > Synthesizer.cpp:54: instantiated from here > ../common/Resampler.h:142: error: memory input 2 is not directly addressable This may be a g++ version issue. If you are using either g++-4 or g++-3.4, try using g++-3.3, it may allow you to compile. If you are already using g++-3.3 or earlier then ignore this suggestion. HTH, Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Being really good at C++ is like being really good at using rocks to sharpen sticks." -- Thant Tessman From pinojazz at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 04:05:54 2005 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Mon Nov 14 04:06:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler compilation problems In-Reply-To: <20051114173322.3a036505.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <4377ADFA.70307@gmail.com> <20051114173322.3a036505.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <43785372.1090701@gmail.com> Erik de Castro Lopo escribi?: >Carlos Pino wrote: > > > >> Hi there, >> Im trying to compile linuxsampler from source and get this message at >>the make process: >> >> >> Synthesizer.cpp:54: instantiated from here >>../common/Resampler.h:142: error: memory input 2 is not directly addressable >> >> > >This may be a g++ version issue. > >If you are using either g++-4 or g++-3.4, try using g++-3.3, >it may allow you to compile. > >If you are already using g++-3.3 or earlier then ignore this >suggestion. > >HTH, >Erik > > Hi thanks very much for your answer,how can I set this to allow "make" uses this g++-3.3 instead of g++-4 ? thank you very much. Saludos Cheers -- Carlos. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Nov 13 18:17:35 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Nov 14 04:30:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect In-Reply-To: <200511132255.21018.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <200511131845.04760.ce@christeck.de> <200511131948.48103.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200511132255.21018.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1131923855.27215.3.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 22:55 +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > Hi, > > > > Kernel: 2.6.11-0.3rdt.rhfc3.ccrma > > Alsa version: 1.0.9rc1 > > thanks for the info. > > At least it appears that the bug is solved. I hesitate to update the > kernel, because the last time it caused *lots* of troubles on my > machine. > > Still dreaming about a stock kernel being perfect for audio use :) . 2.6.14 works great here. BTW upgrading your ALSA modules is not enough to fix this bug - since the bug was in the USB subsystem the kernel must be upgraded. Lee From hhj at musikcheck.dk Mon Nov 14 05:07:13 2005 From: hhj at musikcheck.dk (Hasse Hagen Johansen) Date: Mon Nov 14 05:07:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Reg. Audacity & finding Peak level Message-ID: <20051114100713.3276.qmail@hagen-johansen.dk> Hi I have tried looking for an answer on google etc. I have recorded a file (not in audacity but on a portable recorder) I would like to find the peak level in that file, but I can't get audacity to show it to me. I have tried the Peak Monitor and it seems to look thorugh the file, but it doesn't show me the level(or I can't find where it show it to me) It is a minor problem, and I can get Sox to show me, but I cannot believe that audacity can't do that? Regards Hasse H. Johansen From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Nov 14 08:08:16 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Nov 14 08:06:02 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Reg. Audacity & finding Peak level In-Reply-To: <20051114100713.3276.qmail@hagen-johansen.dk> References: <20051114100713.3276.qmail@hagen-johansen.dk> Message-ID: <1131973696.9531.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> > I would like to find the peak level in that file, but I can't get audacity > to show it to me. I have tried the Peak Monitor and it seems to look thorugh > the file, but it doesn't show me the level(or I can't find where it show it > to me) > > It is a minor problem, and I can get Sox to show me, but I cannot believe > that audacity can't do that? sndfile-info From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Mon Nov 14 08:32:56 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Mon Nov 14 08:33:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and Linux In-Reply-To: <1131713697.437494a16820b@www1.helsinki.fi> References: <1131713697.437494a16820b@www1.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <200511141332.56554.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 11 November 2005 12:54, Sampo Savolainen was like: > If you are a linux newbie and your primary goal is to get Linux audio > working smoothly, you should go for Fedore Core 3 + Planet CCRMA > (http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/) A/DeMuDi installs from a single CD in about an hour. http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/InstallCdRom It's equally good for newbies, so long as your hardware is supported. It is known to be fiddly if your hardware requires closed-source drivers, so check, and downright ugly on older laptops. Best test is to download http://demudi.agnula.org/images/1.2.1/demudi-live_1.2.1_i386.iso and see if it works. If not Planet CCRMA is a good choice. I would also not recommend starting with Ubuntu. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From brianjhennessey at yahoo.com Mon Nov 14 08:56:59 2005 From: brianjhennessey at yahoo.com (Brian Hennessey) Date: Mon Nov 14 08:57:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello Message-ID: <20051114135659.71465.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all - first post here. I trying to move to Linux after years with Cakewalk/Cubase/etc. I have been recently inspired to get into csound, using Rosegarden or seq24 to drive it. First. Thanks to Emmanuel. The page is a great resource. I had been using Demudi, but the error the loading snd-virmidi module made me look for alternatives. So now I am using Debian testing. I have followed the directions on the Emmanual's page (compiled kernel, realtime-lsm module, etc) but, but when I try to configure jack: #./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-posix-shm --with-default-tmpdir=/mnt/ramfs I get: Build support for ALSA.........false (or something similar, I am at work now) #cat /proc/asound/cards returns info about my card, and I am fairly sure I have alsa set up correctly.(alsamixer and aconnect seem to work fine) any ideas why jack configure is not detecting ALSA? where is it looking? (i have /usr/src/linux linked to /usr/src/linux-2.6.14.2 and config file is there). I have booted to the new 2.6.14.2 kernel. Any help is appreciated. -Brian Hennessey __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Mon Nov 14 09:14:44 2005 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Mon Nov 14 09:13:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello In-Reply-To: <20051114135659.71465.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051114135659.71465.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1131977684.7988.11.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 05:56 -0800, Brian Hennessey wrote: > I had been using Demudi, but the error the loading snd-virmidi module > made me look for alternatives. So now I am using Debian testing. > > I have followed the directions on the Emmanual's page (compiled kernel, > realtime-lsm module, etc) but, but when I try to configure jack: > > #./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-posix-shm > --with-default-tmpdir=/mnt/ramfs > > I get: > > Build support for ALSA.........false > (or something similar, I am at work now) > > #cat /proc/asound/cards > returns info about my card, and I am fairly sure I have alsa > set up correctly.(alsamixer and aconnect seem to work fine) I am not a Debian person, but I would guess that they have different packages for the shared libraries (which are needed for other ALSA-using programs to work) and the header files (which are needed to actually build programs that use ALSA). The development package could be named something like alsa-dev or libasound-dev. -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051114/68fd48ac/attachment.bin From fberbain at xs4all.nl Mon Nov 14 10:07:11 2005 From: fberbain at xs4all.nl (Florence Berbain) Date: Mon Nov 14 10:07:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and Linux In-Reply-To: <200511141332.56554.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <1131713697.437494a16820b@www1.helsinki.fi> <200511141332.56554.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <13325.145.64.134.244.1131980831.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi all, Many thanks to everybody for the useful thoughts and suggestions. For hardware I've got a 1-year-old IBM laptop, nothing exotic, at least everything I need works in Ubuntu. The video card is ATI, it needs proprietary drivers for 3D acceleration, but I don't think I'll miss 3D much for recording, so it's not really a problem. I think I will set up a dual-boot system: I'll keep the Ubuntu system I now have for work, and add a DeMuDi or Fedora system for recording purposes. Does anybody have enough experience with the DeMuDi and Fedora installers to know if this goes seamlessly, or should I expect some grub fiddling/trips to recovery mode ? Well, never mind, I'll just have to try, and I'll post if/when I'm stuck :-). The Live CD is a good idea, I'll start by that. I stumbled on Agnula last week, when the web site was awfully slow, which was quite frustrating, but things seem to be better now. Thanks again for the advice, Florence > On Friday 11 November 2005 12:54, Sampo Savolainen was like: >> If you are a linux newbie and your primary goal is to get Linux audio >> working smoothly, you should go for Fedore Core 3 + Planet CCRMA >> (http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/) > > A/DeMuDi installs from a single CD in about an hour. > http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/InstallCdRom > It's equally good for newbies, so long as your hardware is supported. It > is > known to be fiddly if your hardware requires closed-source drivers, so > check, > and downright ugly on older laptops. Best test is to download > http://demudi.agnula.org/images/1.2.1/demudi-live_1.2.1_i386.iso > and see if it works. If not Planet CCRMA is a good choice. > > I would also not recommend starting with Ubuntu. > -- > cheers, > > tim hall > http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim > From pete.leigh at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 10:07:41 2005 From: pete.leigh at gmail.com (Pete Leigh) Date: Mon Nov 14 10:07:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello In-Reply-To: <20051114135659.71465.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051114135659.71465.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 14/11/05, Brian Hennessey wrote: > any ideas why jack configure is not detecting ALSA? where is it > looking? In the configure file I've got for jack 0.100, it uses pkg-config to detect alsa settings. That will look for a file called alsa.pc somewhere like /usr/lib/pkgconfig/alsa.pc You may have it in /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig, in which case do export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig before running ./configure in the jack directory (or do similarly for other locations) If you don't have alsa.pc anywhere, it usually comes with the alsa-lib package - I don't know much about debian, I'm afraid.. :) You can test that pkg-config is finding alsa.pc by running something like pkg-config --libs alsa If that works, jack's configure should find it, I think. From v2 at iki.fi Mon Nov 14 10:12:00 2005 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Mon Nov 14 10:12:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler compilation problems In-Reply-To: <4377ADFA.70307@gmail.com> References: <4377ADFA.70307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1131981120.7225.5.camel@puppeli> On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 22:19 +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > Hi there, > Im trying to compile linuxsampler from source and get this message at > the make process: > > > Synthesizer.cpp:54: instantiated from here > ../common/Resampler.h:142: error: memory input 2 is not directly addressable Are you compiling for x64 by any chance? The compiler error comes from a piece of inline assembly code. The x64 architechture has a bit different 'api' and registers for certain instructions. I can't remember the exact details of the differences, but this error might be caused by that. -- Sampo Savolainen From pete.leigh at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 10:40:41 2005 From: pete.leigh at gmail.com (Pete Leigh) Date: Mon Nov 14 10:40:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler compilation problems In-Reply-To: <1131981120.7225.5.camel@puppeli> References: <4377ADFA.70307@gmail.com> <1131981120.7225.5.camel@puppeli> Message-ID: On 14/11/05, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 22:19 +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > > Synthesizer.cpp:54: instantiated from here > > ../common/Resampler.h:142: error: memory input 2 is not directly addressable > Are you compiling for x64 by any chance? The compiler error comes from a > piece of inline assembly code. Indeed, looking at Resampler.h, the code should only be reached if both CONFIG_ASM and ARCH_X86 are set, and presumably the ARCH_X86 is meant to cover the X86_64 case, since there's no separate #define for that (that I could see). However, I just compiled linuxsampler 0.3.3 on and for X86_64 yesterday, and didn't run into this problem.. maybe it's a problem with the particular compile platform cpu not having the required sse / mmx -type registers? In any case, linuxsampler's ./configure provides a --disable-asm option, which may work round this problem, at the cost of some wasted cpu-cycles.. might be worth a try for now? - Pete. From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Mon Nov 14 11:37:13 2005 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Mon Nov 14 11:37:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler compilation problems In-Reply-To: <43785372.1090701@gmail.com> References: <4377ADFA.70307@gmail.com> <20051114173322.3a036505.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <43785372.1090701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051115033713.1092830a.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Carlos Pino wrote: > >This may be a g++ version issue. > > > >If you are using either g++-4 or g++-3.4, try using g++-3.3, > >it may allow you to compile. > > > >If you are already using g++-3.3 or earlier then ignore this > >suggestion. > > Hi thanks very much for your answer,how can I set this to allow "make" > uses this g++-3.3 instead of g++-4 ? > > thank you very much. If linuxsampler has a configure script, try re-running configure with: GCC=gcc-3.3 CXX=g++-3.3 ./configure and then make. The check the created Makefiles. If the above doesn't work you may need to hand edit the Makefiles. You also need to make sure that you actually have an executable named "g++-3.3". Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "Even Napoleon had his Watergate" -- Michael Spautz From pinojazz at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 12:19:44 2005 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Mon Nov 14 12:20:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler compilation problems In-Reply-To: References: <4377ADFA.70307@gmail.com> <1131981120.7225.5.camel@puppeli> Message-ID: <4378C730.6000800@gmail.com> Pete Leigh wrote: >On 14/11/05, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > >>On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 22:19 +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: >> >> > > > >>> Synthesizer.cpp:54: instantiated from here >>>../common/Resampler.h:142: error: memory input 2 is not directly addressable >>> >>> > > > >>Are you compiling for x64 by any chance? The compiler error comes from a >>piece of inline assembly code. >> >> > > > Hi,thanks very much to everyone for response.I'm compiling in a Pentium IV. I'm very newbie for that kind of things,I'm sorry don't understand enought about it. >Indeed, looking at Resampler.h, the code should only be reached >if both CONFIG_ASM and ARCH_X86 are set, and presumably the >ARCH_X86 is meant to cover the X86_64 case, since there's no >separate #define for that (that I could see). > >However, I just compiled linuxsampler 0.3.3 on and for X86_64 yesterday, >and didn't run into this problem.. maybe it's a problem with the particular >compile platform cpu not having the required sse / mmx -type >registers? > >In any case, linuxsampler's ./configure provides a --disable-asm >option, which may work round this problem, at the cost of some >wasted cpu-cycles.. might be worth a try for now? > >- Pete. > > > ./configure --disable-asm solve the problem. Thank you very much. Sorry can't give more details,I'm just a musician curious about building a system from the lower level I can understand,but at this point I'm begining to see the darkness and felling lost. :-\ Muchas gracias Saludos Cheers. -- Carlos. From pinojazz at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 12:49:45 2005 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Mon Nov 14 12:49:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler compilation problems In-Reply-To: <20051115033713.1092830a.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <4377ADFA.70307@gmail.com> <20051114173322.3a036505.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <43785372.1090701@gmail.com> <20051115033713.1092830a.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <4378CE39.70701@gmail.com> Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: >Carlos Pino wrote: > > > >>>This may be a g++ version issue. >>> >>>If you are using either g++-4 or g++-3.4, try using g++-3.3, >>>it may allow you to compile. >>> >>>If you are already using g++-3.3 or earlier then ignore this >>>suggestion. >>> >>> >>Hi thanks very much for your answer,how can I set this to allow "make" >>uses this g++-3.3 instead of g++-4 ? >> >>thank you very much. >> >> > >If linuxsampler has a configure script, try re-running configure >with: > > GCC=gcc-3.3 CXX=g++-3.3 ./configure > >and then make. The check the created Makefiles. > >If the above doesn't work you may need to hand edit the Makefiles. > >You also need to make sure that you actually have an executable >named "g++-3.3". > >Erik > > Thank you very much Erik,this works for me.:-) I tried another solution that other people give me,that consist in --disable-asm,that worked also,but think that this one seems to be a good choice if doesn't make lose a good feature. Muchas gracias Saludos Cheers -- Carlos PD.- Thanks to everyone at the list for your great help. From ce at christeck.de Mon Nov 14 13:03:06 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Nov 14 13:02:56 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect In-Reply-To: <1131923855.27215.3.camel@mindpipe> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <200511132255.21018.ce@christeck.de> <1131923855.27215.3.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200511141903.06675.ce@christeck.de> > 2.6.14 works great here. > > BTW upgrading your ALSA modules is not enough to fix this bug - since > the bug was in the USB subsystem the kernel must be upgraded. Thanks a lot for this info. Seems I have to reserve some time on the weekend for trying a new kernel again :) . Best regards ce From jacob01 at gmx.net Mon Nov 14 13:26:40 2005 From: jacob01 at gmx.net (Jacob) Date: Mon Nov 14 13:26:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello In-Reply-To: <1131977684.7988.11.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> References: <20051114135659.71465.qmail@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1131977684.7988.11.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <20051114182640.GB30496@localhost> Hello, On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 03:14:44PM +0100, Lars Luthman wrote: > On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 05:56 -0800, Brian Hennessey wrote: > > > > #./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-posix-shm > > --with-default-tmpdir=/mnt/ramfs > > > > I get: > > > > Build support for ALSA.........false > > (or something similar, I am at work now) > > > > #cat /proc/asound/cards > > returns info about my card, and I am fairly sure I have alsa > > set up correctly.(alsamixer and aconnect seem to work fine) > > I am not a Debian person, but I would guess that they have different > packages for the shared libraries (which are needed for other ALSA-using > programs to work) and the header files (which are needed to actually > build programs that use ALSA). The development package could be named > something like alsa-dev or libasound-dev. On Debian/sarge it's part of libasound2-dev: $ dpkg -S /usr/lib/pkgconfig/alsa.pc libasound2-dev: /usr/lib/pkgconfig/alsa.pc Jacob From chr.ohm at gmx.net Mon Nov 14 14:38:45 2005 From: chr.ohm at gmx.net (Christian Ohm) Date: Mon Nov 14 14:39:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need a new 'pooter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051114193845.GB3535@localdomain> On Saturday, 12 November 2005 at 21:06, Bungee wrote: > The obvious solution is to build a completely new system specifically for sound > work, but I am totally baffled by the choices. MB, Processor, Memory, Sound > Card, and on, and on... Well, I can give you my opinions on suitable hardware, and the components I have or intend to get soon. That should give you a start (or confuse you even more, depending on the other advice you got), but I guess you can't buy that system anywhere. Processor: AMD. Faster and way cooler than the Intel chips. A dual-core should make a noticeable difference for audio work. I'll get the AMD X2 3800+, as the faster ones are way more expensive (and get hotter). Cooling: Probably a Scythe Ninja (passive heatpipe cooler), and two 120mm fans (one in the PSU, one in the back of the case). Mainboard: Obviously needs the same socket as the CPU. My choice is an Asus A8V Deluxe, as I want to use an AGP graphics card, and it has a passive northbridge cooler. RAM: 2GB of a proper brand, no fancy expensive overclocking stuff. Graphics card: A Radeon 8500LE modded with a passive cooler. The fastest card with usable open 3D drivers, and it doesn't get very hot. My main reason for getting it was the 1600x1200 DVI port, else I'd have stayed with my Matrox G400. Sound card: M-Audio Audiophile 2496. Sufficient for me, but perhaps you need/want more channels. HDD: One large Seagate or Samsung, those are supposed to be the most quiet ones. RAID is usually overrated, it's just louder and more error-prone. I'm thinking about getting a Seagate Cheetah 15k.3 as a system drive, but that'll also add some noise... Case: Should have an opening for a 120mm fan in the back where the CPU sits, a place for the HDD low in the front (with air holes), and no holes in the sides. That way you can use the two fans (one in the PSU, one in the back) to get the air from below in the front (and perhaps one open slot below the graphics card) out the upper back, that should be sufficient cooling for that system. Ideally you'll have a temperature controlled fan controller, that'll make it even quieter. Oh, and the more solid (read: heavy) the case, the more noise it'll absorb. That should give you a quiet, cool and pretty fast system, or at least some hints on how to build one. -- A man said to the Universe: "Sir, I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "the fact has not created in me a sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Nov 14 14:45:50 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon Nov 14 15:01:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Icons required for DSSI plugins In-Reply-To: <87hdaj3xcy.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <200511102322.40535.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200511110139.49214.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <87hdaj3xcy.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <200511141945.50157.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 11 November 2005 17:31, Esben Stien wrote: > Nigel Henry writes: > > could you elaborate > > It's better to use vector graphics[1], cause no matter how much you > scale it, you always have infinite resolution. You can use inkscape[2] > to draw vector graphics; it's slow as it's in a transition state to > cairo, though. I use blender[3] myself. > > > [1] see examples of vector graphics: > http://cairographics.org/samples/fill_and_stroke.html > [2] vector drawing application > http://inkscape.org > [3] vector drawing application > http://blender3d.org Hi Esben. Sorry for the delay. I've DL'd Blender, both the dynamic, and static versions. Which would be the best to install on FC2 or FC3? I mainly wanted to see if anyone had some ready made icons, but am willing to have a go at Blender, especially as there were quite a few tutorials in Linux Format mag for it. I'm trying to concentrate on audio apps, so Blender might have to wait a bit. Kiconedit is ok but is a bit restricted. I've made 3 icons for music apps with it, but I'm sure they could have looked better using a more advanced graphics app. There are quite a few distro's I use on this machine, and see that Inkscape is on the Debian repo, so I may look at that as well. I also had a look at KDE's Povray Modeller. Is that an SVG app? Thanks for the links. Nigel. From m_nels at gmx.net Mon Nov 14 15:27:36 2005 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Mon Nov 14 15:27:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden & fluidsynth/qsynth questions... Message-ID: <4378F338.4010106@gmx.net> Hi all, Thanks for all the help so far! I've downloaded myself a nice-sounding drumkit soundfont, and have it loaded by fluidsynth (using qsynth). I played with the settings in Rosegarden, by clicking my right mouse button on the appropriate MIDI track name. I can now hear all the samples when I click my left mouse button on the notes at the left of the notation editor. However, when I throw a few notes together and press 'play', I only hear the note(s) which falls directly under the playhead at the moment 'play' is pressed. Rosegarden seems to be sending the right MIDI notes somewhere - the little indicator flashes away just as I would expect. Correspondingly, the indicator in qsynth only flashes once, as the first beat is played. Have I configured something incorrectly, or is this a bug? Please let me know if more (or clearer) information would help. I did have this working some months previously - although I was never confident that I understood fully which MIDI output to pick in Rosegarden (especially when I had more than one instance of fluidsynth). Thanks Michael Nelson From david at hl.afraid.org Mon Nov 14 18:18:38 2005 From: david at hl.afraid.org (David) Date: Mon Nov 14 18:14:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Building MPlayer with JACK support on DeMuDi Message-ID: <20051114231838.GA10651@hl.afraid.org> I'm trying to build MPlayer as a Debian package, following the instructions on this page => http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.php It worked the first time around, but didn't have JACK support. Now, I'm trying it again - after installing bio2jack from source plus the libbio2jack0 and libjack0.80.0-dev packages - and including " --enable-jack --with-bio2jack=/usr/local/lib/ " in the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS variable. configure runs fine, but make fails with the following error: /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/local/lib/libbio2jack.so when searching for -lbio2jack /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/local/lib/libbio2jack.a when searching for -lbio2jack My /usr/local/lib/libbio2jack.so points to /usr/local/lib/libbio2jack.so.0.8.0 The bio2jack package I installed from source is also version 0.8 - why then is libbio2jack "incompatible"? Can anyone point me in the right direction? P.S. I've tried the unofficial mplayer package for debian from http://marillat.free.fr/ but it failed to run (..with errors such as "Bad CPU usage" or something like that, if I recall correctly), and I forgot to check if it was compiled with JACK support or not. -- http://hl.afraid.org/~david/ -- From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Mon Nov 14 18:41:53 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Mon Nov 14 18:42:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and Linux In-Reply-To: <13325.145.64.134.244.1131980831.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <1131713697.437494a16820b@www1.helsinki.fi> <200511141332.56554.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <13325.145.64.134.244.1131980831.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <437920C1.2070506@walescomputers.co.uk> Hi You shouldn't have a problem with any of them as regards dual booting. I have 3 systems on here 64 Studio ( Running 64 bit DOH!) studio to go ( 32 bit) and some MS thing with Xp in the title. All works although the Xp drive has some dust on it!!! cheers Bob Florence Berbain wrote: > Hi all, > > Many thanks to everybody for the useful thoughts and suggestions. > > For hardware I've got a 1-year-old IBM laptop, nothing exotic, at least > everything I need works in Ubuntu. The video card is ATI, it needs > proprietary drivers for 3D acceleration, but I don't think I'll miss 3D > much for recording, so it's not really a problem. > > I think I will set up a dual-boot system: I'll keep the Ubuntu system I > now have for work, and add a DeMuDi or Fedora system for recording > purposes. Does anybody have enough experience with the DeMuDi and Fedora > installers to know if this goes seamlessly, or should I expect some grub > fiddling/trips to recovery mode ? Well, never mind, I'll just have to try, > and I'll post if/when I'm stuck :-). > > The Live CD is a good idea, I'll start by that. I stumbled on Agnula last > week, when the web site was awfully slow, which was quite frustrating, but > things seem to be better now. > > Thanks again for the advice, > Florence > > > > > > > > > > >>On Friday 11 November 2005 12:54, Sampo Savolainen was like: >> >>>If you are a linux newbie and your primary goal is to get Linux audio >>>working smoothly, you should go for Fedore Core 3 + Planet CCRMA >>>(http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/) >> >>A/DeMuDi installs from a single CD in about an hour. >>http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/InstallCdRom >>It's equally good for newbies, so long as your hardware is supported. It >>is >>known to be fiddly if your hardware requires closed-source drivers, so >>check, >>and downright ugly on older laptops. Best test is to download >>http://demudi.agnula.org/images/1.2.1/demudi-live_1.2.1_i386.iso >>and see if it works. If not Planet CCRMA is a good choice. >> >>I would also not recommend starting with Ubuntu. >>-- >>cheers, >> >>tim hall >>http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim >> > > > > -- Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From pdman at aproximation.org Mon Nov 14 20:08:20 2005 From: pdman at aproximation.org (thewade) Date: Mon Nov 14 20:08:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux 2.6.14-rt5 strange lockup Message-ID: <43793504.7060502@aproximation.org> Hello all, I am still trying to get rt5 built... Now my problem is that when I boot the rt kernel it all looks good - I get to the screen with the Fedora booting progress bar - but when the kernel tries to remount root in read/write mode the machine freezes. I am using the default config file for Fedora Core 2.6.13-1.1526_FC4 except I changed preempt to volentary, processor Hz to 1000, processor type to Athlon64, and threaded hard and soft IRQ's. i may have forgotten something that I changed but can you think of a reason that the kernel would freeze when trying to remount the root device? It seems odd becasue if it can mount the device to load the kernel then why can't it remount that same device? Thanks for the help! (After I get the sweet kernel working I have tr rebuild the cool ati-fglrx module that complains about spinlocking. Fun... :P) -thewade [pdman@musicbox ~]$ cat /etc/fstab # This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 /dev/shm /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/sys /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 LABEL=SWAP-hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hdc /media/cdrecorder auto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 [pdman@musicbox ~]$ cat /etc/mtab /dev/hda3 / ext3 rw 0 0 /dev/proc /proc proc rw 0 0 /dev/sys /sys sysfs rw 0 0 /dev/devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0 /dev/hda2 /boot ext3 rw 0 0 /dev/shm /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 none /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc binfmt_misc rw 0 0 sunrpc /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs rpc_pipefs rw 0 0 automount(pid2065) /misc autofs rw,fd=4,pgrp=2065,minproto=2,maxproto=4 0 0 automount(pid2081) /net autofs rw,fd=4,pgrp=2081,minproto=2,maxproto=4 0 0 From pdman at aproximation.org Mon Nov 14 20:15:23 2005 From: pdman at aproximation.org (thewade) Date: Mon Nov 14 20:15:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ingo's RT patch: please tell this newbie the best jack settings Message-ID: <437936AB.5090705@aproximation.org> > On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 17:05 -0800, thewade wrote: > >/ I am curious how to get PD running on my machine /> >/ processing complex patches but with a latency of 5.33 msec (128 frame /> >/ buffer size I think) or less. I would even settle fo 10msec (256) with /> >/ no XRUNS. /> >/ /> > You don't need the -rt kernel for that, the standard kernel will work. > > Lee I am using kernel 2.6.13-1.1526_FC4 and the Hammerfall HDSP multiface on an AMD64 3400+ laptop in i386 mode, and the best I can do with no XRUNS in jack is 42.7msec latency (48kHz at 1024 frames). This is not becasue of PD. If I lower the framecount with only jackd running and switch windows I get XRUNS. This is why I want to use the rt5 kernel. How did you get such low latency with the standard kernel? Is there a howto page somewhere? Thanks, -thewade From pdman at aproximation.org Mon Nov 14 20:25:01 2005 From: pdman at aproximation.org (thewade) Date: Mon Nov 14 20:25:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ingo's RT patch: please tell this newbie the best jack settings Message-ID: <437938ED.6030807@aproximation.org> > 1) The current kernel from Ingo would be 2.4.16-rt9. I think that rt5 > didn;t last very long and had some problems. Please try -rt9. OK, will do. > 2) Make sure you reinstall the realtime-lsm package after building that kernel. If I remember correctly this also included a PAM patch: does it still? I will investigate. > 4) Making best use of the kernel requires that you understand the ISR > number for your sound card and reset it's priority higher. This helps > a lot in reducing or eliminating xruns. How does one control the IRQ number of the device? I thought this was determined by the hardware. Can you point me to a URL so that I might learn more? (I dont really know what terms to search for) > 7) Make sure you have the Jack FIFOS mounted on tmpfs. Of course! > As a comment, I don't personally like Jack in /usr local. You might > consider rebuilding Jack one of these days with: > > ./configure --prefix=/usr I was using a modified jack.spec file from the CVS distro of jack. I will change my version but perhaps I should suguest this change to the jack people as well? > Hope this all helps a bit,. It does very much! I didnt really realize that the LSM module ran on top of the rt patch! Does your kernel have Default linux capabilities enabled? I cannot remember if this is supposed to be on or off with the LSM module... Thanks for the help Mark! -thewade From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Nov 14 20:51:44 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Nov 14 20:51:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ingo's RT patch: please tell this newbie the best jack settings In-Reply-To: <437936AB.5090705@aproximation.org> References: <437936AB.5090705@aproximation.org> Message-ID: <1132019505.27215.23.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 17:15 -0800, thewade wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 17:05 -0800, thewade wrote: > > >/ I am curious how to get PD running on my machine > /> >/ processing complex patches but with a latency of 5.33 msec (128 frame > /> >/ buffer size I think) or less. I would even settle fo 10msec (256) with > /> >/ no XRUNS. > /> >/ > /> > > You don't need the -rt kernel for that, the standard kernel will work. > > > > Lee > > I am using kernel 2.6.13-1.1526_FC4 and the Hammerfall HDSP multiface on an AMD64 3400+ laptop in i386 mode, and the best > I can do with no XRUNS in jack is 42.7msec latency (48kHz at 1024 frames). > This is not becasue of PD. If I lower the framecount with only jackd running and switch windows I get XRUNS. > > This is why I want to use the rt5 kernel. > > How did you get such low latency with the standard kernel? > Is there a howto page somewhere? 2.6.13 is old, the current kernel is 2.6.14 - try this first. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 21:09:23 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Nov 14 21:09:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ingo's RT patch: please tell this newbie the best jack settings In-Reply-To: <437938ED.6030807@aproximation.org> References: <437938ED.6030807@aproximation.org> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511141809p20c0b5e2wc9b01415971fa48@mail.gmail.com> On 11/14/05, thewade wrote: > > 1) The current kernel from Ingo would be 2.4.16-rt9. I think that rt5 > > didn;t last very long and had some problems. Please try -rt9. > > OK, will do. Since the time I wrote this the -rt kernel has moved to 2.6.14-rt12. As 2.6.14 stable has moved to 2.6.14.2 (or .3?) and the 2.6.15-rc1 candidate is out I expect that Ingo will release something new shortly. None the less I am using 2.6.14-rt12 today. -rt9 is fine also. > > > 2) Make sure you reinstall the realtime-lsm package after building > that kernel. > > If I remember correctly this also included a PAM patch: does it still? > I will investigate. My information may possibly cause you a little heartburn. You are used to using RPMs and basically the tools available through the Planet. I am Gentoo based and am more used to using source code. I do not know exactly how these two are going to mix, other than to say that either is probably fine but mixing the two too much is posibly not a good idea. I think it is fine to build your own kernel and the realtime-lsm package on a Planet box. I used to do that when I used the Planet. I do not recommend that a new user go any further than that as problem may occur. > > > 4) Making best use of the kernel requires that you understand the ISR > > number for your sound card and reset it's priority higher. This helps > > a lot in reducing or eliminating xruns. > > How does one control the IRQ number of the device? I thought this was > determined by the hardware. > Can you point me to a URL so that I might learn more? (I dont really > know what terms to search for) Do not worry about this until you are running 2.6.14-rt9/rt12. Deal with it ONLY when you have that kernel running. We'll direct you at the proper time. > > > 7) Make sure you have the Jack FIFOS mounted on tmpfs. > > Of course! > > > As a comment, I don't personally like Jack in /usr local. You might > > consider rebuilding Jack one of these days with: > > > > ./configure --prefix=/usr > > I was using a modified jack.spec file from the CVS distro of jack. I > will change my version but perhaps I should suguest this change to the > jack people as well? Well, I think .spec files mean you are using RPMs? Again, I don't do this. I download CVS and build the source code. I do not know what the .spec file is going to do so I cannot help there. If you want to build the executable directly from the CVS code then I can help. > > > Hope this all helps a bit,. > > It does very much! I didnt really realize that the LSM module ran on top > of the rt patch! Realtime-lsm runs on top of ALL later revisions of the 2.6 kernel. Certainly it works for any 2.6.13 or higher kernel. All that is required is that you enable certain security features when you build your kernel. > Does your kernel have Default linux capabilities enabled? I cannot > remember if this is supposed to be on or off with the LSM module... It must be on as a module. > > Thanks for the help Mark! You are welcome. Cheers, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 21:56:44 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Nov 14 21:56:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux 2.6.14-rt5 strange lockup In-Reply-To: <43793504.7060502@aproximation.org> References: <43793504.7060502@aproximation.org> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511141856o2edf7b2flaf85b37bb1f5851b@mail.gmail.com> I believe that -rt5 had a problem. I never built it so I only heard about it. Please try the current version -rt12: http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/ This still builds on top of the linux 2.6.14.tar.bz file, just like -rt5 does, and NOT the newer stable kernel. - Mark On 11/14/05, thewade wrote: > Hello all, > > I am still trying to get rt5 built... > Now my problem is that when I boot the rt kernel it all looks good - I > get to the screen with the Fedora booting progress bar - but when the > kernel tries to remount root in read/write mode the machine freezes. > I am using the default config file for Fedora Core 2.6.13-1.1526_FC4 > except I changed preempt to volentary, processor Hz to 1000, processor > type to Athlon64, and threaded hard and soft IRQ's. i may have forgotten > something that I changed but can you think of a reason that the kernel > would freeze when trying to remount the root device? It seems odd > becasue if it can mount the device to load the kernel then why can't it > remount that same device? > > Thanks for the help! (After I get the sweet kernel working I have tr > rebuild the cool ati-fglrx module that complains about spinlocking. > Fun... :P) > -thewade > > [pdman@musicbox ~]$ cat /etc/fstab > # This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details > LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 > LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 > /dev/devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > /dev/shm /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 > /dev/proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 > /dev/sys /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 > LABEL=SWAP-hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0 > /dev/hdc /media/cdrecorder auto > pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 > [pdman@musicbox ~]$ cat /etc/mtab > /dev/hda3 / ext3 rw 0 0 > /dev/proc /proc proc rw 0 0 > /dev/sys /sys sysfs rw 0 0 > /dev/devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > /dev/hda2 /boot ext3 rw 0 0 > /dev/shm /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 > none /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc binfmt_misc rw 0 0 > sunrpc /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs rpc_pipefs rw 0 0 > automount(pid2065) /misc autofs rw,fd=4,pgrp=2065,minproto=2,maxproto=4 0 0 > automount(pid2081) /net autofs rw,fd=4,pgrp=2081,minproto=2,maxproto=4 0 0 > From bu at orbitel.bg Tue Nov 15 06:00:26 2005 From: bu at orbitel.bg (Petar Nedyalkov) Date: Tue Nov 15 06:00:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA + multichannel card Message-ID: <200511151300.30041.bu@orbitel.bg> Hello list, I've successfully installed ALSA drivers 1.0.10rc3 on my server, having two Terratec PHASE 28 cards. Each Terratec PHASE 28 has 8 audio outs, which can be combined into 4 stereo out channels. I want to configure ALSA in such a manner that will allow me to play different sound in each of the four stereo channels. I.e. I want to combine the 8 outs into pairs and use them separately. I think I've solved it, but: 1. I'm puzzled why the amixer output for each card doesn't show I have four stereo out channels but have Front, Rear and Side as stereo, and Center and LFE as mono. Does this concern the ice1724 module? 2. When I play sound through the newly configured PCM devices it's volume is low even if I've configured it with amixer to 100%. Can you please tell me if my configuration is correct - does it combine each of the 8 out channels into 4 pcm devices? Does each of these 4 pcm devices represent one of the Front, Rear, Side, Center/LFE channels (I want to control the volume through amixer). I want to use it with mplayer - for instance `mplayer -ao alsa:device=card11 song1.mp3` and `mplayer -ao alsa:device=card12 song2.mp3`, etc. Here's my .asoundrc sample for one of the cards: pcm.card1 { ? ? type dmix ? ? ipc_key 321456 ? ? ipc_key_add_uid true ? ? slave { ? ? ? ? pcm "hw:1" ? ? ? ? rate 44100 ? ? ? ? format S32_LE ? ? ? ? period_time 0 ? ? ? ? period_size 1024 ? ? ? ? buffer_size 8192 ? ? ? ? channels 8 ? ? } ? ? bindings { ? ? ? ? 0 0 ? ? ? ? 1 1 ? ? ? ? 2 2 ? ? ? ? 3 3 ? ? ? ? 4 4 ? ? ? ? 5 5 ? ? ? ? 6 6 ? ? ? ? 7 7 ? ? } } pcm.card11 { ? ? type plug ? ? slave { ? ? ? ? pcm "card1" ? ? ? ? channels 8 ? ? } ? ? ttable.0.0 1 ? ? ttable.1.1 1 } pcm.card12 { ? ? type plug ? ? slave { ? ? ? ? pcm "card1" ? ? ? ? channels 8 ? ? } ? ? ttable.0.2 1 ? ? ttable.1.3 1 } pcm.card13 { ? ? type plug ? ? slave { ? ? ? ? pcm "card1" ? ? ? ? channels 8 ? ? } ? ? ttable.0.4 1 ? ? ttable.1.5 1 } pcm.card14 { ? ? type plug ? ? slave { ? ? ? ? pcm "card1" ? ? ? ? channels 8 ? ? } ? ? ttable.0.6 1 ? ? ttable.1.7 1 } Thanks for the help. -- Cyberly yours, Petar Nedyalkov Devoted Orbitel Fan :-) PGP ID: 7AE45436 PGP Public Key: http://bu.orbitel.bg/pgp/bu.asc PGP Fingerprint: 7923 8D52 B145 02E8 6F63 8BDA 2D3F 7C0B 7AE4 5436 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051115/b60e66c2/attachment.bin From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Tue Nov 15 07:07:50 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Tue Nov 15 07:07:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need a new 'pooter In-Reply-To: <20051114193845.GB3535@localdomain> References: <20051114193845.GB3535@localdomain> Message-ID: <200511151207.51518.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Monday 14 November 2005 19:38, Christian Ohm was like: > On Saturday, 12 November 2005 at 21:06, Bungee wrote: > > The obvious solution is to build a completely new system specifically for > > sound work, but I am totally baffled by the choices. MB, Processor, > > Memory, Sound Card, and on, and on... > > Well, I can give you my opinions on suitable hardware, and the > components I have or intend to get soon. That should give you a start > (or confuse you even more, depending on the other advice you got), but I > guess you can't buy that system anywhere. > > Processor: AMD. Faster and way cooler than the Intel chips. A dual-core > should make a noticeable difference for audio work. I'll get the AMD X2 > 3800+, as the faster ones are way more expensive (and get hotter). > > Cooling: Probably a Scythe Ninja (passive heatpipe cooler), and two > 120mm fans (one in the PSU, one in the back of the case). > > Mainboard: Obviously needs the same socket as the CPU. My choice is an > Asus A8V Deluxe, as I want to use an AGP graphics card, and it has a > passive northbridge cooler. > > RAM: 2GB of a proper brand, no fancy expensive overclocking stuff. > > Graphics card: A Radeon 8500LE modded with a passive cooler. The fastest > card with usable open 3D drivers, and it doesn't get very hot. My main > reason for getting it was the 1600x1200 DVI port, else I'd have stayed > with my Matrox G400. > > Sound card: M-Audio Audiophile 2496. Sufficient for me, but perhaps you > need/want more channels. > > HDD: One large Seagate or Samsung, those are supposed to be the most > quiet ones. RAID is usually overrated, it's just louder and more > error-prone. I'm thinking about getting a Seagate Cheetah 15k.3 as a > system drive, but that'll also add some noise... > > Case: Should have an opening for a 120mm fan in the back where the CPU > sits, a place for the HDD low in the front (with air holes), and no > holes in the sides. That way you can use the two fans (one in the PSU, > one in the back) to get the air from below in the front (and perhaps one > open slot below the graphics card) out the upper back, that should be > sufficient cooling for that system. Ideally you'll have a temperature > controlled fan controller, that'll make it even quieter. Oh, and the > more solid (read: heavy) the case, the more noise it'll absorb. > > That should give you a quiet, cool and pretty fast system, or at least > some hints on how to build one. That looks a lot like my next computer. :] Thanks for this nice clear, affordable suggestion. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Tue Nov 15 07:14:38 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Tue Nov 15 07:14:42 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden & fluidsynth/qsynth questions... In-Reply-To: <4378F338.4010106@gmx.net> References: <4378F338.4010106@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200511151214.38880.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Monday 14 November 2005 20:27, Michael T D Nelson was like: > Hi all, > > Thanks for all the help so far! > > I've downloaded myself a nice-sounding drumkit soundfont, and have it > loaded by fluidsynth (using qsynth). > > I played with the settings in Rosegarden, by clicking my right mouse > button on the appropriate MIDI track name. I can now hear all the > samples when I click my left mouse button on the notes at the left of > the notation editor. > > However, when I throw a few notes together and press 'play', I only hear > the note(s) which falls directly under the playhead at the moment 'play' > is pressed. > > Rosegarden seems to be sending the right MIDI notes somewhere - the > little indicator flashes away just as I would expect. Correspondingly, > the indicator in qsynth only flashes once, as the first beat is played. > > Have I configured something incorrectly, or is this a bug? Please let me > know if more (or clearer) information would help. > > I did have this working some months previously - although I was never > confident that I understood fully which MIDI output to pick in > Rosegarden (especially when I had more than one instance of fluidsynth). Check the rosegarden-user list archives, I'm sure this subject has come up within living memory. http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=rosegarden-user -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From royabel at ice.co.cr Mon Nov 14 23:34:02 2005 From: royabel at ice.co.cr (roy) Date: Tue Nov 15 07:33:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix - Rosegarden - no sound - Please Help In-Reply-To: <437480EE.60409@gmail.com> References: <4373567F.1060208@gmx.net> <4373A0DD.2060200@infinity.net> <437480EE.60409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511150534.03077.royabel@ice.co.cr> Hi. I am a musician with some experience in studio work I can work without problems with: solfege - ardour - Resound but with Rosegarden i can't hear nothing audio or midi I use Musix 0.30 Thanks in advance. From m_nels at gmx.net Tue Nov 15 08:54:31 2005 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Tue Nov 15 08:54:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden & fluidsynth/qsynth questions... In-Reply-To: <200511151214.38880.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <4378F338.4010106@gmx.net> <200511151214.38880.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <4379E897.2090502@gmx.net> tim hall wrote: > On Monday 14 November 2005 20:27, Michael T D Nelson was like: >>However, when I throw a few notes together and press 'play', I only hear >>the note(s) which falls directly under the playhead at the moment 'play' >>is pressed. > Check the rosegarden-user list archives, I'm sure this subject has come up > within living memory. > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=rosegarden-user Thanks very much. I love the support that I get on these lists. I found the answer with a little disorganised searching... In case anyone else suffers from the same problem, I think this message explains the solution nicely: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=12978624 Thanks again, Michael Nelson From hans at fugal.net Tue Nov 15 09:04:02 2005 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Tue Nov 15 09:05:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect In-Reply-To: <1131923855.27215.3.camel@mindpipe> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <200511131845.04760.ce@christeck.de> <200511131948.48103.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200511132255.21018.ce@christeck.de> <1131923855.27215.3.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20051115140402.GB20702@falcon.fugal.net> On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 at 18:17 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 22:55 +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > > > Kernel: 2.6.11-0.3rdt.rhfc3.ccrma > > > Alsa version: 1.0.9rc1 > > > > thanks for the info. > > > > At least it appears that the bug is solved. I hesitate to update the > > kernel, because the last time it caused *lots* of troubles on my > > machine. > > > > Still dreaming about a stock kernel being perfect for audio use :) . > > 2.6.14 works great here. > > BTW upgrading your ALSA modules is not enough to fix this bug - since > the bug was in the USB subsystem the kernel must be upgraded. Not sure if I'm seeing the same problem, but it sounds like it might be. My midi controller (keystation) works fine for day after day of minimal use, and then one day I'll go to use it and it doesn't work. qjackctl sees it and can establish connections, dmesg reports nothing unusual. It just doesn't seem to be generating any events. I unplug its usb and it disappears from qjackctl. I plug it back in and it reappears, but still doesn't work. So I unplug the power and plug it back in, same thing. So I unload snd-usb-audio and unplug the usb and plug it back in and the same thing. Finally I give up and reboot. Yesterday after rebooting, it still didn't work, so I unplugged all my USB devices (keyboard, mouse, scanner, keystation) and plugged the keystation back in, and then it worked. Very frustrating and since dmesg doesn't say anything interesting and afaict alsa things it's fine, I don't know where to look for more information. 2.6.13-rt13, and the problem has been around for ages. -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Nov 15 09:43:44 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Nov 15 09:30:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ardour-users] new song on-line Message-ID: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> Greetings: I've uploaded a new song: http://linux-sound.org/keepmesatisfied.ogg And I've revised and updated my "Music Made With Ardour" page: http://linux-sound.org/ardour-music.html Lyrics and license for the new tune are on the Ardour music page, if anyone's interested. Enjoy! Best, dp _______________________________________________ ardour-users mailing list ardour-users@lists.ardour.org http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. From conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de Tue Nov 15 11:15:43 2005 From: conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de (conrad =?utf-8?q?berh=C3=B6rster?=) Date: Tue Nov 15 11:39:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Alsa-user] Terratec PHASE 28 In-Reply-To: <200511141114.05170.bu@orbitel.bg> References: <200511141114.05170.bu@orbitel.bg> Message-ID: <200511151715.43927.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Hello Petr, I think, we both are the only ones, who use this card... and try to configure that card. Further, I'm not sure, if the card is full supported from alsa. maybe we both can figure that out. My expierence is that playing is fine on the terratec. First, you should try aplay -I wavefile, to specify, if it is possible to select one channel. Am Montag 14 November 2005 10:13 schrieb Petar Nedyalkov: > Hello list, > > I've successfully installed ALSA drivers 1.0.10rc3 on my server, having two > Terratec PHASE 28 cards. Each Terratec PHASE 28 has 8 audio outs, which can > be combined into 4 stereo out channels. I want to configure ALSA in such a > manner that will allow me to play different sound in each of the four > stereo channels. I.e. I want to combine the 8 outs into pairs and use them > separately. > > I think I've solved it, but: > > 1. I'm puzzled why the amixer output for each card doesn't show I have four > stereo out channels but have Front, Rear and Side as stereo, and Center and > LFE as mono. Does this concern the ice1724 module? > My insight into the mixer controls are, that there are 8 mono channels. (H/W 0 - 7 ) and not 4 stereo channels . this can seen with soundroom@funnjoy:~$ amixer scontrols Simple mixer control 'Master',0 Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 Simple mixer control 'Front',0 Simple mixer control 'Center',0 Simple mixer control 'LFE',0 Simple mixer control 'Side',0 Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0 Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Output',0 Simple mixer control 'IEC958',1 Simple mixer control 'ADC Oversampling',0 Simple mixer control 'DAC Deemphasis',0 Simple mixer control 'H/W',0 Simple mixer control 'H/W',1 Simple mixer control 'H/W',2 Simple mixer control 'H/W',3 Simple mixer control 'H/W',4 Simple mixer control 'H/W',5 Simple mixer control 'H/W',6 Simple mixer control 'H/W',7 Simple mixer control 'Multi Track Internal Clock',0 Simple mixer control 'Multi Track Peak',0 Simple mixer control 'Multi Track Rate Locking',0 Simple mixer control 'Multi Track Rate Reset',0 Simple mixer control 'Rear',0 and this will be supported from the jack_lsp command > 2. When I play sound through the newly configured PCM devices it's volume > is low even if I've configured it with amixer to 100%. how do you play sound ?? > > Can you please tell me if my configuration is correct - does it combine > each of the 8 out channels into 4 pcm devices? > i don't know this .asoundrc thing, since i use jack. > Does each of these 4 pcm devices represent one of the Front, Rear, Side, > Center/LFE channels (I want to control the volume through amixer). > > I want to use it with mplayer - for instance `mplayer -ao > alsa:device=card11 song1.mp3` and `mplayer -ao alsa:device=card12 > song2.mp3`, etc. > why dont you use jack. this is more easy and you can connect it by hand. sorry, for replying my answer again. is recording possible for you. and do you know, whatfor this item thing after each mixer control are. i mean this Simple mixer control 'H/W',5 Capabilities: enum Items: 'PCM Out' 'H/W In 0' 'H/W In 1' 'IEC958 In L' 'IEC958 In R' Item0: 'PCM Out' sizu c~ From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 11:43:12 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Nov 15 11:43:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511150843q4d81f920i4fd1295e00ae40db@mail.gmail.com> On 11/15/05, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > I've uploaded a new song: > > http://linux-sound.org/keepmesatisfied.ogg > > And I've revised and updated my "Music Made With Ardour" page: > > http://linux-sound.org/ardour-music.html > > Lyrics and license for the new tune are on the Ardour music page, if > anyone's interested. > > Enjoy! > > Best, > > dp > Nice track Dave. I enjoyed it. Good work. Nice recording. Good mix. Thanks! Cheers, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 11:43:12 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Nov 15 11:46:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511150843q4d81f920i4fd1295e00ae40db@mail.gmail.com> On 11/15/05, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > I've uploaded a new song: > > http://linux-sound.org/keepmesatisfied.ogg > > And I've revised and updated my "Music Made With Ardour" page: > > http://linux-sound.org/ardour-music.html > > Lyrics and license for the new tune are on the Ardour music page, if > anyone's interested. > > Enjoy! > > Best, > > dp > Nice track Dave. I enjoyed it. Good work. Nice recording. Good mix. Thanks! Cheers, Mark _______________________________________________ ardour-users mailing list ardour-users@lists.ardour.org http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue Nov 15 19:07:33 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue Nov 15 13:06:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200511151907.33727.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Tuesday 15 November 2005 09:43, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > I've uploaded a new song: > > http://linux-sound.org/keepmesatisfied.ogg > > And I've revised and updated my "Music Made With Ardour" page: > > http://linux-sound.org/ardour-music.html > > Lyrics and license for the new tune are on the Ardour music page, if > anyone's interested. > > Enjoy! > > Best, Hi Dave. Man. That's some really nice Blues. Nigel. > > dp From thor at bek.no Tue Nov 15 13:06:57 2005 From: thor at bek.no (Thorolf Thuestad) Date: Tue Nov 15 13:07:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime permissions PClos Message-ID: <1132078017.8882.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello I have installed some of thac's audio rmps and current multimedia under pclos and am having problems giving non-root users realtime permissions. Have so far tried: rmmod capability modprobe realtime any=1 mlock=1 .... rmmod capability rmmod commoncap modprobe realtime any=1 gid=500 Where my user is member of group 500. Still get cannot connect to jack server return from qjackctl unless root. Any tips will be greatly appreciated:-) Thanx! Thor From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Tue Nov 15 13:37:59 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Tue Nov 15 13:38:52 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ardour-users] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <437A2B07.9010702@walescomputers.co.uk> HI Just bit the bullet and put two of ours up there, all ogg files! All recorded and mastered with Ardour and Jamin. http://lam.fugal.net/songs/show/109 Not sure if the search is working? cheers Bob Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > I've uploaded a new song: > > http://linux-sound.org/keepmesatisfied.ogg > > And I've revised and updated my "Music Made With Ardour" page: > > http://linux-sound.org/ardour-music.html > > Lyrics and license for the new tune are on the Ardour music page, if > anyone's interested. > > Enjoy! > > Best, > > dp > > _______________________________________________ > ardour-users mailing list > ardour-users@lists.ardour.org > http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. > -- Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Tue Nov 15 13:41:05 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Tue Nov 15 13:41:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <437A2BC1.5000107@walescomputers.co.uk> HI Dave A bit confused here!! Does the LAM site hold the music or just the links? I'm trying to link to the tracks on LAM. Cheers Bob Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > I've uploaded a new song: > > http://linux-sound.org/keepmesatisfied.ogg > > And I've revised and updated my "Music Made With Ardour" page: > > http://linux-sound.org/ardour-music.html > > Lyrics and license for the new tune are on the Ardour music page, if > anyone's interested. > > Enjoy! > > Best, > > dp > > -- Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Nov 15 14:11:27 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Nov 15 13:58:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <437A2BC1.5000107@walescomputers.co.uk> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> <437A2BC1.5000107@walescomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <437A32DF.6060308@woh.rr.com> studio-64 wrote: > A bit confused here!! > Does the LAM site hold the music or just the links? Just the links. :) Best, dp From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue Nov 15 20:42:36 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue Nov 15 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ardour-users] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <437A2B07.9010702@walescomputers.co.uk> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> <437A2B07.9010702@walescomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <200511160142.36454.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Tuesday 15 November 2005 18:37, studio-64 wrote: > HI > Just bit the bullet and put two of ours up there, > all ogg files! > > All recorded and mastered with Ardour and Jamin. > > http://lam.fugal.net/songs/show/109 > > Not sure if the search is working? > > > cheers > Bob Hi Bob. What are the titles, as I can't find them on LAM. Nigel. > > Dave Phillips wrote: > > Greetings: > > > > I've uploaded a new song: > > > > http://linux-sound.org/keepmesatisfied.ogg > > > > And I've revised and updated my "Music Made With Ardour" page: > > > > http://linux-sound.org/ardour-music.html > > > > Lyrics and license for the new tune are on the Ardour music page, if > > anyone's interested. > > > > Enjoy! > > > > Best, > > > > dp > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ardour-users mailing list > > ardour-users@lists.ardour.org > > http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org > > > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > > addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the > > system manager. This message contains confidential information and is > > intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named > > addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. From ce at christeck.de Tue Nov 15 15:00:45 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Nov 15 15:00:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect In-Reply-To: <20051115140402.GB20702@falcon.fugal.net> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <1131923855.27215.3.camel@mindpipe> <20051115140402.GB20702@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <200511152100.45109.ce@christeck.de> Hi, > Not sure if I'm seeing the same problem, but it sounds like it might > be. My midi controller (keystation) works fine for day after day of > minimal use, and then one day I'll go to use it and it doesn't work. > qjackctl sees it and can establish connections, dmesg reports nothing > unusual. It just doesn't seem to be generating any events. I unplug > its usb and it disappears from qjackctl. I plug it back in and it > reappears, but still doesn't work. So I unplug the power and plug it > back in, same thing. So I unload snd-usb-audio and unplug the usb and > plug it back in and the same thing. Finally I give up and reboot. did you try amidimon in a shell window (amidimon --ports all) or kmidimon to check if there realy is no MIDI coming in? > Yesterday after rebooting, it still didn't work, so I unplugged all > my USB devices (keyboard, mouse, scanner, keystation) and plugged the > keystation back in, and then it worked. Just to clearify: I loose my keyboard which is a notebook keyboard connected internally via psaux. In your case, maybe it's a problem of coldplug vs. hotplug. I'd try to unplug the devices during boot time and plug it in after you logged in. Furthermore, ensure that in your kernel config, drivers, usb you have *disabled* usb-midi and usb-audio. Both are OSS and conflict with the ALSA snd_usb_audio which handles four USB devices perfectly on my machine (except for the keyboard loss, of course :) . Best regards ce From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Nov 15 15:14:31 2005 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Nov 15 15:11:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ardour-users] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <437A2B07.9010702@walescomputers.co.uk> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> <437A2B07.9010702@walescomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <20051115201429.GD6978@phlunky.Belkin> On Tue, 15 Nov, 2005 at 06:37PM +0000, studio-64 spake thus: > HI > Just bit the bullet and put two of ours up there, > all ogg files! > > All recorded and mastered with Ardour and Jamin. > > http://lam.fugal.net/songs/show/109 That sounds great. It makes me realise that I should make more of an effort to listen to a wider range of music. Right up until the end of the track, I was expecting a lo-fi downbeat to kick in, with some muffled bass, a la kid loco. Very nice. > Not sure if the search is working? > > > cheers > Bob > > > Dave Phillips wrote: > >Greetings: > > > > I've uploaded a new song: > > > > http://linux-sound.org/keepmesatisfied.ogg > > > > And I've revised and updated my "Music Made With Ardour" page: > > > > http://linux-sound.org/ardour-music.html > > > > Lyrics and license for the new tune are on the Ardour music page, if > >anyone's interested. > > > > Enjoy! > > > >Best, > > > >dp > > > >_______________________________________________ > >ardour-users mailing list > >ardour-users@lists.ardour.org > >http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org > > > > > >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > >solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > >If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. > >This message contains confidential information and is intended only for > >the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not > >disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. > > > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Nov 15 15:15:23 2005 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Nov 15 15:11:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20051115201522.GE6978@phlunky.Belkin> On Tue, 15 Nov, 2005 at 09:43AM -0500, Dave Phillips spake thus: > Greetings: > > I've uploaded a new song: > > http://linux-sound.org/keepmesatisfied.ogg > > And I've revised and updated my "Music Made With Ardour" page: > > http://linux-sound.org/ardour-music.html > > Lyrics and license for the new tune are on the Ardour music page, if > anyone's interested. Finger clickin' good. *looks at guitar sitting next to him* *sighs* > Enjoy! > > Best, > > dp > > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From tobbe at nyvalls.se Tue Nov 15 15:20:28 2005 From: tobbe at nyvalls.se (tobbe@nyvalls.se) Date: Tue Nov 15 15:22:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime permissions PClos In-Reply-To: <1132078017.8882.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1132078017.8882.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <437A430C.8060902@nyvalls.se> Thorolf Thuestad skrev: >Hello > >I have installed some of thac's audio rmps and current multimedia under >pclos and am having problems giving non-root users realtime >permissions. > >Have so far tried: > >rmmod capability >modprobe realtime any=1 mlock=1 > >.... > >rmmod capability >rmmod commoncap >modprobe realtime any=1 gid=500 > >Where my user is member of group 500. >Still get cannot connect to jack server return from qjackctl unless >root. > >Any tips will be greatly appreciated:-) > >Thanx! > >Thor > > > > > that is a known problem i have looked into it and i have built a new version and i will make it available in a few minutes /Torbj?rn Turpeinen (Thac) From bungee at erodin.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 15 15:38:37 2005 From: bungee at erodin.demon.co.uk (Bungee) Date: Tue Nov 15 15:39:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need a new 'pooter In-Reply-To: <20051114193845.GB3535@localdomain> References: <20051114193845.GB3535@localdomain> Message-ID: Christian Ohm wrote: > On Saturday, 12 November 2005 at 21:06, Bungee wrote: > > The obvious solution is to build a completely new system specifically for sound > > work, but I am totally baffled by the choices. MB, Processor, Memory, Sound > > Card, and on, and on... > > Well, I can give you my opinions on suitable hardware, and the > components I have or intend to get soon. That should give you a start > (or confuse you even more, depending on the other advice you got), but I > guess you can't buy that system anywhere. > > Processor: AMD. Faster and way cooler than the Intel chips. A dual-core > should make a noticeable difference for audio work. I'll get the AMD X2 > 3800+, as the faster ones are way more expensive (and get hotter). > > Cooling: Probably a Scythe Ninja (passive heatpipe cooler), and two > 120mm fans (one in the PSU, one in the back of the case). > > Mainboard: Obviously needs the same socket as the CPU. My choice is an > Asus A8V Deluxe, as I want to use an AGP graphics card, and it has a > passive northbridge cooler. > > RAM: 2GB of a proper brand, no fancy expensive overclocking stuff. > > Graphics card: A Radeon 8500LE modded with a passive cooler. The fastest > card with usable open 3D drivers, and it doesn't get very hot. My main > reason for getting it was the 1600x1200 DVI port, else I'd have stayed > with my Matrox G400. > > Sound card: M-Audio Audiophile 2496. Sufficient for me, but perhaps you > need/want more channels. > > HDD: One large Seagate or Samsung, those are supposed to be the most > quiet ones. RAID is usually overrated, it's just louder and more > error-prone. I'm thinking about getting a Seagate Cheetah 15k.3 as a > system drive, but that'll also add some noise... > > Case: Should have an opening for a 120mm fan in the back where the CPU > sits, a place for the HDD low in the front (with air holes), and no > holes in the sides. That way you can use the two fans (one in the PSU, > one in the back) to get the air from below in the front (and perhaps one > open slot below the graphics card) out the upper back, that should be > sufficient cooling for that system. Ideally you'll have a temperature > controlled fan controller, that'll make it even quieter. Oh, and the > more solid (read: heavy) the case, the more noise it'll absorb. > > That should give you a quiet, cool and pretty fast system, or at least > some hints on how to build one. Thanks for such a very detailed list (and thanks everyone else who responded). This looks like the sort of thing I want to go for. What distro are you using? Have you had any compatibility problems? -- Bungee From hans at fugal.net Tue Nov 15 17:03:39 2005 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Tue Nov 15 17:04:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect In-Reply-To: <200511152100.45109.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <1131923855.27215.3.camel@mindpipe> <20051115140402.GB20702@falcon.fugal.net> <200511152100.45109.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20051115220339.GA32053@falcon.fugal.net> On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 at 21:00 +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > Hi, > > > > Not sure if I'm seeing the same problem, but it sounds like it might > > be. My midi controller (keystation) works fine for day after day of > > minimal use, and then one day I'll go to use it and it doesn't work. > > qjackctl sees it and can establish connections, dmesg reports nothing > > unusual. It just doesn't seem to be generating any events. I unplug > > its usb and it disappears from qjackctl. I plug it back in and it > > reappears, but still doesn't work. So I unplug the power and plug it > > back in, same thing. So I unload snd-usb-audio and unplug the usb and > > plug it back in and the same thing. Finally I give up and reboot. > > did you try amidimon in a shell window (amidimon --ports all) or > kmidimon to check if there realy is no MIDI coming in? No, but I tried aseqview. I'll try one of those next time. > In your case, maybe it's a problem of coldplug vs. hotplug. I'd try to > unplug the devices during boot time and plug it in after you logged in. I think it is probably *plug related. I used to think that something in the usb drivers was getting in a wierd state, but this last time being able to fix it without a reboot is making me doubt that. Or it could have been a coincidental unrelated problem. > Furthermore, ensure that in your kernel config, drivers, usb you have > *disabled* usb-midi and usb-audio. Both are OSS and conflict with the > ALSA snd_usb_audio which handles four USB devices perfectly on my > machine (except for the keyboard loss, of course :) . I'll double-check. Plugging and unplugging with snd-usb-audio works great most of the time. -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051115/23f9db0d/attachment.bin From ce at christeck.de Tue Nov 15 17:27:41 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Nov 15 17:27:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect In-Reply-To: <20051115220339.GA32053@falcon.fugal.net> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <200511152100.45109.ce@christeck.de> <20051115220339.GA32053@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <200511152327.41542.ce@christeck.de> > I'll double-check. Plugging and unplugging with snd-usb-audio works > great most of the time. If you do not need hotplug for other devices, you could completely remove them from your boot process and load snd_usb_audio statically during boot time in one of the boot scripts. That's how I do it, because it also allows to pass parameters to the module. Best regards ce From david at hl.afraid.org Tue Nov 15 18:49:01 2005 From: david at hl.afraid.org (David) Date: Tue Nov 15 18:44:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Building MPlayer with JACK support on DeMuDi In-Reply-To: <20051114231838.GA10651@hl.afraid.org> References: <20051114231838.GA10651@hl.afraid.org> Message-ID: <20051115234901.GA16026@hl.afraid.org> Just to update, Someone on another mailing-list pointed out that installing both the bio2jack package from source _and_ the Debian libbio2jack package could cause conflicts (..I had originally installed the _two_ packages because libbio2jack0 (..which I had installed first) didn't contain libbio2jack.a - which was required), so I removed the two packages, installed just bio2jack manually from source, and tried again. This time, it failed with a different error: libao2/libao2.a(ao_jack.o): In function `init': ao_jack.c:(.text+0x2f4): undefined reference to `JACK_GetJackLatency' libao2/libao2.a(ao_jack.o): In function `reset': ao_jack.c:(.text+0x476): undefined reference to `JACK_GetJackLatency' Any ideas? Do other readers have JACK support for MPlayer on DeMuDi/Debian? Suggestions for other video players with JACK support? Personally, I have no trouble just shutting jackd down while I watch video, but other users of the computer are less au-fait with these things than myself. -- http://hl.afraid.org/ -- From hans at fugal.net Tue Nov 15 19:57:17 2005 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Tue Nov 15 19:57:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect In-Reply-To: <200511152327.41542.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <200511152100.45109.ce@christeck.de> <20051115220339.GA32053@falcon.fugal.net> <200511152327.41542.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20051116005717.GA3102@falcon.fugal.net> On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 at 23:27 +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > > I'll double-check. Plugging and unplugging with snd-usb-audio works > > great most of the time. > > If you do not need hotplug for other devices, you could completely > remove them from your boot process and load snd_usb_audio statically > during boot time in one of the boot scripts. That's how I do it, > because it also allows to pass parameters to the module. Well, you can also blacklist it so hotplug ignores it. I actually do want hotplug to do its thing though because it loads the firmware, and it works 90% of the time. In fact, when it stops working it's usually not even been unplugged - I suspect usb confusion when I plug/unplug other things on the same bus. -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051115/5b125d11/attachment.bin From ross at jose.lug.udel.edu Tue Nov 15 21:02:06 2005 From: ross at jose.lug.udel.edu (Ross Vandegrift) Date: Tue Nov 15 21:02:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] getting around hotplug (was Re: Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect) In-Reply-To: <200511152327.41542.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <200511152100.45109.ce@christeck.de> <20051115220339.GA32053@falcon.fugal.net> <200511152327.41542.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20051116020206.GA12879@jose.lug.udel.edu> On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 11:27:41PM +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > If you do not need hotplug for other devices, you could completely > remove them from your boot process and load snd_usb_audio statically > during boot time in one of the boot scripts. That's how I do it, > because it also allows to pass parameters to the module. Do you know if there's a deterministic way other than hotplug to get the dynamic device numbers that a USB device has ben assigned? If there were, I'd abandon hotplug completely. It's horribly overcomplicated, but I can't figure out a way to reproduce it's ability to know what device numbers my stuff has been assigned. Thanks! -- Ross Vandegrift ross@lug.udel.edu "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell." --St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37 From rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz Tue Nov 15 21:38:38 2005 From: rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz (Rossco) Date: Tue Nov 15 21:38:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] getting around hotplug (was Re: Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect) In-Reply-To: <20051116020206.GA12879@jose.lug.udel.edu> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <200511152100.45109.ce@christeck.de> <20051115220339.GA32053@falcon.fugal.net> <200511152327.41542.ce@christeck.de> <20051116020206.GA12879@jose.lug.udel.edu> Message-ID: <437A9BAE.3030408@slingshot.co.nz> Ross Vandegrift wrote: >On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 11:27:41PM +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > >>If you do not need hotplug for other devices, you could completely >>remove them from your boot process and load snd_usb_audio statically >>during boot time in one of the boot scripts. That's how I do it, >>because it also allows to pass parameters to the module. >> >> > >Do you know if there's a deterministic way other than hotplug to get >the dynamic device numbers that a USB device has ben assigned? If >there were, I'd abandon hotplug completely. It's horribly >overcomplicated, but I can't figure out a way to reproduce it's >ability to know what device numbers my stuff has been assigned. > >Thanks! > > > Hi Ross, You can use udev rules to setup devices so they always get assigned the to same device numbers. Not sure whether this would work with audio devices but it works fine for USB drive bays and cameras etc. Ross. :) From bsturk at adelphia.net Thu Nov 17 02:32:09 2005 From: bsturk at adelphia.net (Brian Sturk) Date: Wed Nov 16 02:32:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xfst (no sound) Message-ID: <437C31F9.4050705@adelphia.net> I managed to find xfst after not having much luck w/ jack_fst. I'm running a pretty recent version of wine under gentoo linux. xfst successfully launches every VST I've thrown at it so far and I even see what seems to be it kicking off a MIDI thread when routing MIDI from muse to it through jack. I believe I have everything setup correctly (although I am mostly likely doing something wrong) but I do not hear anything. Relevant info: Gentoo Linux 2.6.12 Built in sound card ALSA works fine Wine version wine-20050725-r1 Routing MIDI from muse to xfst running Crystal VST Routing audio out from Crystal VST to alsa_pcm outs Am I doing something incorrectly? I have tested jack etc by using zynaddsubfx. thanks, ~brian -- .--------------------------------------------------,--------. | Brian Sturk - http://users.adelphia.net/~bsturk \ C/C++ | .> )\,^a__ |-------------------------. bsturkadelphia.net | Python |( _ _)/ /-."~ | http://www.telengard.com `------------------------`-------| `( )_ )/ | Telengard Technologies Inc. - NT/*nix UI & device drivers |_<_s_<_s `-----------------------------------------------------------' From johnmulholland at fastmail.fm Wed Nov 16 04:32:10 2005 From: johnmulholland at fastmail.fm (John Mulholland) Date: Wed Nov 16 04:32:31 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mixmeister-like software In-Reply-To: <437499A6.1030008@fastmail.fm> References: <437499A6.1030008@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <437AFC9A.2040904@fastmail.fm> John Mulholland wrote: > Is there anything similar for Linux? Ok, I am guessing then this is a negative ghostrider. Ah well. What a shame, as this would be an awesome application. I am not a ninja programmer so have little idea on how to start this. But, if anyone is looking to put together something similar, I am happy to test and write documentation. Cheers, John From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Wed Nov 16 05:55:58 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Wed Nov 16 05:56:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sony Rootkit - Off Topic I know, But getting stranger! Message-ID: <437B103E.4050202@walescomputers.co.uk> Hi Seems sony and 4front (UK) are using Open source software to trap us all. http://dewinter.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=215 You just know this is going to run and run. They have had to recall 4.7 million CD's, now that cant be cheap! (and they complain they arn't making mony!) Sorry for the of topic but you have to laugh!! Cheers Bob Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Nov 16 06:24:10 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Nov 16 06:21:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sony Rootkit - Off Topic I know, But getting stranger! In-Reply-To: <437B103E.4050202@walescomputers.co.uk> References: <437B103E.4050202@walescomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <1132140250.32357.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 10:55 +0000, studio-64 wrote: > Hi > Seems sony and 4front (UK) are using Open source software to trap us all. i have never seen any mention of 4front. i think you are confusing them with First 4 Internet. please be careful with names around such an incendiary issue. From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Wed Nov 16 06:36:10 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Wed Nov 16 06:36:23 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sony Rootkit - Off Topic I know, But getting stranger! In-Reply-To: <1132140250.32357.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <437B103E.4050202@walescomputers.co.uk> <1132140250.32357.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <437B19AA.4050902@walescomputers.co.uk> Hi OOPs Your right! Apologies to 4front. Thanks for the advice! cheers Bob Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 10:55 +0000, studio-64 wrote: > >>Hi >>Seems sony and 4front (UK) are using Open source software to trap us all. > > > i have never seen any mention of 4front. i think you are confusing them > with First 4 Internet. please be careful with names around such an > incendiary issue. > > > -- Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Nov 16 09:12:57 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Nov 16 08:59:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: new song on-line In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511150843q4d81f920i4fd1295e00ae40db@mail.gmail.com> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0511150843q4d81f920i4fd1295e00ae40db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <437B3E69.6080705@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Thanks again to everyone who listened to my latest offering. I have more stuff to put on-line (I've been busy), but it'll have to wait until I get back from India, where I'll be presenting Ardour and other Linux audio softs at the FOSS-IN conference, Nov 29 through Dec 2. Another song and some instrumentals are on the way. I wanted to note that the recording and mix were done with Ardour 0.99 on an 800 MHz machine (AMD Duron cpu) running Red Hat 9 with a 2.4 kernel (an old Planet CCRMA system). No xruns occurred during any part of the process. I also wanted to send deep thanks to Paul and all other Ardour developers. As I learn to use Ardour more effectively I'm constantly amazed and pleased at how easily I can do the jobs required. A friend stopped by last night, he runs Pro Tools in a small home studio that's much nicer than my little setup. He was most impressed by Ardour and rather upset that I got such a better sound from my system than he's getting from his. Well, I'm sure that some of that is because he's not fully conversant with his system, but it does point to the effectiveness of Linux as a viable platform for serious audio work. And of course my buddy was *really* upset when he considered the cost-effectiveness of Linux+Ardour against what it cost him to gear up with PT and its requirements. I'm lovin' it... :) Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Nov 16 09:12:57 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Nov 16 09:01:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511150843q4d81f920i4fd1295e00ae40db@mail.gmail.com> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0511150843q4d81f920i4fd1295e00ae40db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <437B3E69.6080705@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Thanks again to everyone who listened to my latest offering. I have more stuff to put on-line (I've been busy), but it'll have to wait until I get back from India, where I'll be presenting Ardour and other Linux audio softs at the FOSS-IN conference, Nov 29 through Dec 2. Another song and some instrumentals are on the way. I wanted to note that the recording and mix were done with Ardour 0.99 on an 800 MHz machine (AMD Duron cpu) running Red Hat 9 with a 2.4 kernel (an old Planet CCRMA system). No xruns occurred during any part of the process. I also wanted to send deep thanks to Paul and all other Ardour developers. As I learn to use Ardour more effectively I'm constantly amazed and pleased at how easily I can do the jobs required. A friend stopped by last night, he runs Pro Tools in a small home studio that's much nicer than my little setup. He was most impressed by Ardour and rather upset that I got such a better sound from my system than he's getting from his. Well, I'm sure that some of that is because he's not fully conversant with his system, but it does point to the effectiveness of Linux as a viable platform for serious audio work. And of course my buddy was *really* upset when he considered the cost-effectiveness of Linux+Ardour against what it cost him to gear up with PT and its requirements. I'm lovin' it... :) Best, dp _______________________________________________ ardour-users mailing list ardour-users@lists.ardour.org http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Nov 16 11:15:20 2005 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Nov 16 11:15:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mixmeister-like software In-Reply-To: <437AFC9A.2040904@fastmail.fm> References: <437499A6.1030008@fastmail.fm> <437AFC9A.2040904@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <20051116161520.GA8970@slinkp.com> I once DJ'ed a party with GDAM and it worked pretty well. But it seems to be abandonware - no news since 2002. http://gdam.ffem.org/ Aside from that, have you checked out the list at http://linux-sound.org/ddj.html and have you visited http://www.openjay.org/index.php ? On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 09:32:10AM +0000, John Mulholland wrote: > John Mulholland wrote: > > > Is there anything similar for Linux? > > Ok, I am guessing then this is a negative ghostrider. Ah well. What a > shame, as this would be an > awesome application. I am not a ninja programmer so have little idea on > how to start this. But, if anyone is looking to put together something > similar, I am happy to test and write documentation. > > Cheers, > John -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From pinojazz at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 12:03:35 2005 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Wed Nov 16 12:03:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi through qjackctl Message-ID: <437B6667.5090006@gmail.com> Hi there. I'm learning about set up my own audio-system. I'm using demudi's kernel 2.6.13-1-multimedia over an installation of Debian etch/sid untill I learn more about compile my own. Till now I've solved some problems I found compiling some apps and everything seems to work not so bad. I have two issues with qjackctl/jackd that don't know how to resolve. 1.-Qjackctl doesn't save the configuration changes.The Setup/misc/save tab option is set to . jackdrc. $ cat .jackdrc /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p512 -n2 But qjackctl say: /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p256 -n2 everytime I launch. 2.- I use band in a box with wine.In demudi I found the way to make it sound using midi through port conected to qsynth via jackd,but don't know what to do to get this port showed at the connect/midi tab of my own compiled qjackctl- 0.2.18.I have compiled jackit-0.100.0 also. Thanks in advance. --Carlos From ce at christeck.de Wed Nov 16 12:31:31 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Wed Nov 16 12:31:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] getting around hotplug (was Re: Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect) In-Reply-To: <20051116020206.GA12879@jose.lug.udel.edu> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <200511152327.41542.ce@christeck.de> <20051116020206.GA12879@jose.lug.udel.edu> Message-ID: <200511161831.31344.ce@christeck.de> > Do you know if there's a deterministic way other than hotplug to get > the dynamic device numbers that a USB device has ben assigned? ?If > there were, I'd abandon hotplug completely. ?It's horribly > overcomplicated, but I can't figure out a way to reproduce it's > ability to know what device numbers my stuff has been assigned. I guess you mean the order in which they appear in ALSA, is it? http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleUSBAudioDevices AFAIK udev will not help on this issue. Best regards ce From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Nov 16 12:59:14 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Nov 16 13:01:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] getting around hotplug (was Re: Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect) In-Reply-To: <20051116020206.GA12879@jose.lug.udel.edu> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <200511152100.45109.ce@christeck.de> <20051115220339.GA32053@falcon.fugal.net> <200511152327.41542.ce@christeck.de> <20051116020206.GA12879@jose.lug.udel.edu> Message-ID: <1132163955.27215.48.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 21:02 -0500, Ross Vandegrift wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 11:27:41PM +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > If you do not need hotplug for other devices, you could completely > > remove them from your boot process and load snd_usb_audio statically > > during boot time in one of the boot scripts. That's how I do it, > > because it also allows to pass parameters to the module. > > Do you know if there's a deterministic way other than hotplug to get > the dynamic device numbers that a USB device has ben assigned? If > there were, I'd abandon hotplug completely. It's horribly > overcomplicated, but I can't figure out a way to reproduce it's > ability to know what device numbers my stuff has been assigned. This sounds like a huge waste of time - rather than abandoning something as immensely useful as hotplug, just get the bug in the USB driver fixed! AFAICT all the people having this problem are using really old kernels anyway. It's idiotic to abandon hotplug just because you don't want to upgrade your kernel to fix a known bug. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Nov 16 13:28:40 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Nov 16 13:28:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sony Rootkit - Off Topic I know, But getting stranger! In-Reply-To: <437B103E.4050202@walescomputers.co.uk> References: <437B103E.4050202@walescomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <1132165721.27215.57.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 10:55 +0000, studio-64 wrote: > Hi > Seems sony and 4front (UK) are using Open source software to trap us all. > > http://dewinter.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=215 > > > You just know this is going to run and run. > > They have had to recall 4.7 million CD's, now that cant be cheap! > (and they complain they arn't making mony!) > > Sorry for the of topic but you have to laugh!! I really hope the biggest lawsuit to come out of this is the band's vs. their label. The band is the real victim here - clearly this is going to KILL their "CD" sales, and it's also pretty clear that Sony didn't tell them they were going to do this. If that isn't grounds for a huge award then I don't know what is. Lee From rncbc at rncbc.org Wed Nov 16 13:36:06 2005 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Wed Nov 16 13:34:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi through qjackctl In-Reply-To: <437B6667.5090006@gmail.com> References: <437B6667.5090006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <437B7C16.3020409@rncbc.org> Carlos Pino wrote: > Hi there. > I'm learning about set up my own audio-system. > I'm using demudi's kernel 2.6.13-1-multimedia over an installation > of Debian etch/sid untill I learn more about compile my own. > Till now I've solved some problems I found compiling some apps and > everything seems to work not so bad. > I have two issues with qjackctl/jackd that don't know how to resolve. > > 1.-Qjackctl doesn't save the configuration changes.The Setup/misc/save > tab option is set to . jackdrc. > $ cat .jackdrc > /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p512 -n2 > > But qjackctl say: > /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p256 -n2 everytime I launch. > First of all, qjackctl doesn't save its own configuration in ~/.jackdrc but rather in ~/.qt/qjackctlrc . The .jackdrc file is used (only) when you set your environment accordingly to let jackd start automatically when some client gets launched, outside of qjackctl. Can't remember which precise environment variables are of value ATM. Maybe something like $JACK_START_SERVER, or something. Please check jackd man page ... The qjackctl/Setup/Misc/Save option is only there for the convenience of .jackdrc be in sync with the qjackctl settings. Reasons why this is not your case is not very clear to me. In fact, qjackctl just writes (never reads) $HOME/.jackdrc whenever the jackd is started under its control (and Setup/Misc/Save option is on). Be sure you're looking under the same user $HOME directory that you're running qjackctl. Check for write permissions, etc. You can try to remove your .jackdrc file and see what qjackctl writes right after that, if anything at all. > 2.- I use band in a box with wine.In demudi I found the way to make it > sound using midi through port conected to qsynth via jackd,but don't > know what to do to get this port showed at the connect/midi tab of my > own compiled qjackctl- 0.2.18.I have compiled jackit-0.100.0 also. > I don't know a thing about BiaB, even less about wine. What I know is that qjackctl only cares about ALSA Sequencer client ports. No matter for old-fashioned OSS (/dev/midi*) stuff. However, if that's precisely the case,q you probably want to know that ALSA's snd-virmidi module can be of some help here. Bye. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Wed Nov 16 16:37:54 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Nov 16 15:38:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: new song on-line Message-ID: <200511162137.54910.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Thanks Bob for the 2 tunes. I really liked the first one with the female vocals. Nice work. Nigel. From johnmulholland at fastmail.fm Wed Nov 16 16:12:51 2005 From: johnmulholland at fastmail.fm (John Mulholland) Date: Wed Nov 16 16:13:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mixmeister-like software In-Reply-To: <20051116161520.GA8970@slinkp.com> References: <437499A6.1030008@fastmail.fm> <437AFC9A.2040904@fastmail.fm> <20051116161520.GA8970@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <437BA0D3.8070609@fastmail.fm> Paul Winkler wrote: >I once DJ'ed a party with GDAM and it worked pretty well. >But it seems to be abandonware - no news since 2002. >http://gdam.ffem.org/ > >Aside from that, have you checked out the list at >http://linux-sound.org/ddj.html >and have you visited http://www.openjay.org/index.php ? > > yup, am aware of both of those sites. I'll take another look at GDAM. Cheers, john >On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 09:32:10AM +0000, John Mulholland wrote: > > >>John Mulholland wrote: >> >> >> >>> Is there anything similar for Linux? >>> >>> >>Ok, I am guessing then this is a negative ghostrider. Ah well. What a >>shame, as this would be an >>awesome application. I am not a ninja programmer so have little idea on >>how to start this. But, if anyone is looking to put together something >>similar, I am happy to test and write documentation. >> >>Cheers, >>John >> >> > > > From bungee at erodin.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 16 17:05:37 2005 From: bungee at erodin.demon.co.uk (Bungee) Date: Wed Nov 16 17:05:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > I've uploaded a new song: > > http://linux-sound.org/keepmesatisfied.ogg > > And I've revised and updated my "Music Made With Ardour" page: > > http://linux-sound.org/ardour-music.html > > Lyrics and license for the new tune are on the Ardour music page, if > anyone's interested. > > Enjoy! > > Best, > > dp > Not really a blues person myself, but I did enjoy these. I especially like the quality performance and really clean recording. -- Bungee From ce at christeck.de Wed Nov 16 17:58:16 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Wed Nov 16 17:58:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect In-Reply-To: <1131923855.27215.3.camel@mindpipe> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <200511132255.21018.ce@christeck.de> <1131923855.27215.3.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200511162358.16077.ce@christeck.de> > > Still dreaming about a stock kernel being perfect for audio use :) > > . > > 2.6.14 works great here. > > BTW upgrading your ALSA modules is not enough to fix this bug - since > the bug was in the USB subsystem the kernel must be upgraded. OK, installed 2.6.14.2 and at least the problem loosing the keyboard really seems to be fixed, so thanks for the hint. Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Wed Nov 16 18:23:28 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Wed Nov 16 18:23:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA issues Message-ID: <200511170023.28361.ce@christeck.de> Hi all, I have some ALSA issues around for ages and I'd like to ask for help. I'm running a Gentoo box and just updated to a vanilla 2.6.14.2 with no further patches applied. I even updated ALSA to 1.0.10rc1. I'm using the kernel drivers, no external drivers installed. JACK was taken from CVS some time ago and is version 0.100.0, tmpdir /dev/shm installed. I run an internal AC '97 chip (with modem functionality), a Terratec USB audio device, a Midisport 8x8, a m-audio Trigger Finger USB-MIDI device and (occasionally) an Edirol UM-1S. The firmware for the Midisport gets loaded via hotplug (very cool script BTW, thanks to the author) as well as snd_usb_audio gets loaded by hotplug. Now the issues: I.) According to http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards I tried to set the cards to a certain order because I'd (mainly) to see the Terratec card with the same number each time I log in. Unfortunately this doesn't work. I have included the content of the file /etc/modules.d/alsa at the end of this mail. The path to this file is Gentoo specific, but at least alsaconf uses it to enter it's entries. I wanted the internal AC '97 card to be the first one and the default for desktop use, but the ordering is as follows: 0 [Audio ]: USB-Audio - USB Audio USB Audio at usb-0000:00:1d.2-1.3, full speed 1 [Finger ]: USB-Audio - USB Trigger Finger M-Audio USB Trigger Finger at usb-0000:00:1d.2-1.4, full speed 2 [I82801CAICH3 ]: ICH - Intel 82801CA-ICH3 Intel 82801CA-ICH3 with CS4205 at 0xd800, irq 11 3 [Modem ]: ICH-MODEM - Intel 82801CA-ICH3 Modem Intel 82801CA-ICH3 Modem at 0xd400, irq 11 4 [M8x8 ]: USB-Audio - MidiSport 8x8 M-Audio MidiSport 8x8 at usb-0000:00:1d.2-1.1, full speed Any hint would be really appreciated. II.) When doing an /etc/init.d/alsasound restart, all cards are lost. cat /proc/asound/cards tell me "no cards". I get back my USB devices as soon as I replug them thanks to hotplug, but the internal card is lost until I reload the modules manually *or* reboot the machine. There seems to be some magic, or does the boot process additional things except invoking /etc/init.d/alsasound?!? III.) Formerly I did loadthe snd_usb_audio module in /etc/conf.d/local.start so I could pass some parameters to improve USB audio latency: modprobe snd-usb-audio nrpacks=1 What is the right place now as the module gets loaded via hotplug? None of these problems is urgent, but I'd really like to know why my setup doesn't work as expected ("Computer, do what I want!" :) so any wee small hint would be great. Thanks & best regards ce ======= # /etc/modules.d/alsa alias /dev/mixer snd-mixer-oss alias /dev/dsp snd-pcm-oss alias /dev/midi snd-seq-oss options snd device_mode=0666 options snd cards_limit=7 alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0 # alias snd-card-1 snd-intel8x0m alias snd-card-2 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-3 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-4 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-5 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-6 snd-virmidi options snd-intel8x0 index=0 options snd-intel8x0m index=1 options snd-usb-audio index=2,3,4,5 vid=0x0ccd,0x0763,0x0763,0x0582 pid=0x0028,0x1033,0x0117,0x0009 options snd-virmidi index=6 midi_devs=2 From pinojazz at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 20:00:16 2005 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Wed Nov 16 19:59:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi through qjackctl In-Reply-To: <437B7C16.3020409@rncbc.org> References: <437B6667.5090006@gmail.com> <437B7C16.3020409@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <200511170200.17189.pinojazz@gamil.com> Hi Rui,first of all thank you very much for your response. El Mi?rcoles, 16 de Noviembre de 2005 19:36, Rui Nuno Capela escribi?: > Carlos Pino wrote: > > Hi there. > > I'm learning about set up my own audio-system. > > I'm using demudi's kernel 2.6.13-1-multimedia over an installation > > of Debian etch/sid untill I learn more about compile my own. > > Till now I've solved some problems I found compiling some apps and > > everything seems to work not so bad. > > I have two issues with qjackctl/jackd that don't know how to resolve. > > > > 1.-Qjackctl doesn't save the configuration changes.The Setup/misc/save > > tab option is set to . jackdrc. > > $ cat .jackdrc > > /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p512 -n2 > > > > But qjackctl say: > > /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p256 -n2 everytime I launch. > > First of all, qjackctl doesn't save its own configuration in ~/.jackdrc > but rather in ~/.qt/qjackctlrc . > The permisions of the file was set to root as owner and group with 644 , I changed to my own user and group an now it's ok. > The .jackdrc file is used (only) when you set your environment > accordingly to let jackd start automatically when some client gets > launched, outside of qjackctl. Can't remember which precise environment > variables are of value ATM. Maybe something like $JACK_START_SERVER, or > something. Please check jackd man page ... I'll do > > The qjackctl/Setup/Misc/Save option is only there for the convenience of > .jackdrc be in sync with the qjackctl settings. Reasons why this is > not your case is not very clear to me. > > In fact, qjackctl just writes (never reads) $HOME/.jackdrc whenever the > jackd is started under its control (and Setup/Misc/Save option is on). > Be sure you're looking under the same user $HOME directory that you're > running qjackctl. Check for write permissions, etc. You can try to > remove your .jackdrc file and see what qjackctl writes right after that, > if anything at all. > > > 2.- I use band in a box with wine.In demudi I found the way to make it > > sound using midi through port conected to qsynth via jackd,but don't > > know what to do to get this port showed at the connect/midi tab of my > > own compiled qjackctl- 0.2.18.I have compiled jackit-0.100.0 also. > > I don't know a thing about BiaB, even less about wine. What I know is > that qjackctl only cares about ALSA Sequencer client ports. No matter > for old-fashioned OSS (/dev/midi*) stuff. However, if that's precisely > the case,q you probably want to know that ALSA's snd-virmidi module can > be of some help here. > > Bye. Thanks again ,I will see what can I do. Saludos Cheers. -- Carlos. From clemens at ladisch.de Thu Nov 17 02:16:45 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu Nov 17 02:17:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA issues In-Reply-To: <200511170023.28361.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511170023.28361.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1132211805.437c2e5d8ad3e@webmail.uni-halle.de> Christoph Eckert wrote: > I'm running a Gentoo box and just updated to a vanilla 2.6.14.2 with no > further patches applied. I even updated ALSA to 1.0.10rc1. I'm using > the kernel drivers, no external drivers installed. JACK was taken from > CVS some time ago and is version 0.100.0, tmpdir /dev/shm installed. > > I run an internal AC '97 chip (with modem functionality), a Terratec USB > audio device, a Midisport 8x8, a m-audio Trigger Finger USB-MIDI device > and (occasionally) an Edirol UM-1S. The firmware for the Midisport gets > loaded via hotplug (very cool script BTW, thanks to the author) as well > as snd_usb_audio gets loaded by hotplug. > > Now the issues: > > I.) According to http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards I tried to set > the cards to a certain order because I'd (mainly) to see the Terratec > card with the same number each time I log in. Unfortunately this > doesn't work. I have included the content of the > file /etc/modules.d/alsa at the end of this mail. The "options snd-xxx index=..." lines look OK. Please check in /sys/module/snd-xxx/parameters/index that the options actually got applied. > II.) When doing an /etc/init.d/alsasound restart, all cards are lost. > cat /proc/asound/cards tell me "no cards". I get back my USB devices as > soon as I replug them thanks to hotplug, but the internal card is lost > until I reload the modules manually *or* reboot the machine. How does the alsasound script look like? I guess it looks for snd-card-x aliases in /etc/modprobe.conf, and your first problem may indicate that this file doesn't exist. > III.) Formerly I did loadthe snd_usb_audio module > in /etc/conf.d/local.start so I could pass some parameters to improve > USB audio latency: > modprobe snd-usb-audio nrpacks=1 > > What is the right place now as the module gets loaded via hotplug? /etc/modules.d/alsa :-) or wherever your distribution wants to have the "options" lines for modules. HTH Clemens From terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net Thu Nov 17 02:56:44 2005 From: terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net (Terrence van Ettinger) Date: Thu Nov 17 06:59:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Program to Transpose Midis? Message-ID: <17276.14268.996130.858493@www.terrencevak.net> Hello, all, Is there a console-based program that will let me transpose a midi file without having to go through a text format first? Thanks, Terrence From ross at jose.lug.udel.edu Thu Nov 17 11:50:22 2005 From: ross at jose.lug.udel.edu (Ross Vandegrift) Date: Thu Nov 17 11:50:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] getting around hotplug (was Re: Keyboard loss @ usb audio disconnect) In-Reply-To: <1132163955.27215.48.camel@mindpipe> References: <200511130140.54896.ce@christeck.de> <200511152100.45109.ce@christeck.de> <20051115220339.GA32053@falcon.fugal.net> <200511152327.41542.ce@christeck.de> <20051116020206.GA12879@jose.lug.udel.edu> <1132163955.27215.48.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20051117165022.GA1575@jose.lug.udel.edu> On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 12:59:14PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > This sounds like a huge waste of time - rather than abandoning something > as immensely useful as hotplug, just get the bug in the USB driver > fixed! AFAICT all the people having this problem are using really old > kernels anyway. It's idiotic to abandon hotplug just because you don't > want to upgrade your kernel to fix a known bug. Whoa, hang on. I don't have the problem identified by the original poster. I'm just a thread hijacker ::-). My particular bias against hotplug is two-fold: 1) It is far more difficult to understand than /etc/rc.d 2) The only USB device I have is a MIDI interface, which I just want to leave plugged in. #1 - sometimes, hotplug doesn't "coldplug" my device properly. I don't really know why, and re-plugging the thing in usually works. I don't understand why they should be different processes. It's a minor headache that I'd rather just relieve with a shell script. Problem is, my Midisport needs firmware loaded. I need to make use of hotplug's firmware facilities, since I cannot predict where in /proc/bus/usb/ the device node will appear. #2 - I don't need hotplugging! This is a desktop machine that never changes. I have all of one device. hotplug seems a little like overkill in my degenerate (but probably very common) case. Trust me - if I was losing mouse and keyboard, I'd be all over that kernel upgrade! -- Ross Vandegrift ross@lug.udel.edu "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell." --St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37 From ce at christeck.de Thu Nov 17 14:22:39 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Thu Nov 17 14:22:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA issues In-Reply-To: <1132211805.437c2e5d8ad3e@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <200511170023.28361.ce@christeck.de> <1132211805.437c2e5d8ad3e@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <200511172022.39797.ce@christeck.de> Hi, thanks a lot for the help, Clemens. [...] > The "options snd-xxx index=..." lines look OK. thanks for the confirmation, this already helps a lot. > Please check in /sys/module/snd-xxx/parameters/index that the options > actually got applied. Urgs, thanks for the hint. Doesn't seem to be the case: cat /sys/module/snd_usb_audio/parameters/index -1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1 The same for the AC '97 chip. > > II.) When doing an /etc/init.d/alsasound restart, all cards are > > lost. cat /proc/asound/cards tell me "no cards". I get back my USB > > devices as soon as I replug them thanks to hotplug, but the > > internal card is lost until I reload the modules manually *or* > > reboot the machine. > > How does the alsasound script look like? > > I guess it looks for snd-card-x aliases in /etc/modprobe.conf, and > your first problem may indicate that this file doesn't exist. /etc/modprobe.conf does exist but only contains a coment that edits should go to /etc/modules.conf. AFAIK the former one is for 2.4 kernels while the latter one is for 2.6, right? When I look into /etc/modules.conf, I can find the lines ### modules-update: start processing /etc/modules.d/alsa and ### modules-update: end processing /etc/modules.d/alsa Between them, I find the lines I put in /etc/modules.d/alsa manually, so this looks promising. [...] > /etc/modules.d/alsa :-) or wherever your distribution wants to have > the "options" lines for modules. OK, thanks to your questions I understood the loading of the modules a bit better. So I added the nrpacks parameter into /etc/modules.d/alsa; the line now reads as options snd-usb-audio index=2,3,4,5 vid=0x0ccd,0x0763,0x0763,0x0582 pid=0x0028,0x1033,0x0117,0x0009 nrpacks=1 I hope I got the syntax right. So I think: * I sucessfully edited /etc/modules.d/alsa * This file gets sucessfully processed by modules-update * Its contents are sucessfully ported to /etc/modules.conf But OTOH somehow it look like /etc/alsasound start doesn't care about /etc/modules.conf, because otherwise ALSA should know my AC '97 card as well as my USB hardware (by loading the modules). So I open /etc/init.d/alsasound. At the beginning I find the following comment: # Rewritten for better support for built-in drivers # Jeremy Huddleston # 2004.06.02 Then I see the following lines; nothing special... alsactl=/usr/sbin/alsactl asoundcfg=/etc/asound.state aconnect=/usr/bin/aconnect ...except for this one: alsascrdir=/etc/alsa.d This directory doesn't exist at all. Furthermore I searched for a line containing "modules.conf" but I didn't detect any. "/etc/init.d/alsa" calls "modprobe" at several lines. Does "modprobe" read "/etc/modules.conf"?!? I hope so, but is hope enough ;-) ? Is there any way to check whether /etc/modules.conf is read while loading the ALSA modules or not? Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Thu Nov 17 15:00:44 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Thu Nov 17 15:00:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA issues - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <1132211805.437c2e5d8ad3e@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <200511170023.28361.ce@christeck.de> <1132211805.437c2e5d8ad3e@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <200511172100.44460.ce@christeck.de> Hi all, > The "options snd-xxx index=..." lines look OK. > > Please check in /sys/module/snd-xxx/parameters/index that the options > actually got applied. I'm very sorry for the traffic I caused, I found the problem, and I caused it for myself, so be warned. On Gentoo I edited /etc/modules.d/alsa which gets emerged to /etc/modules.conf by modules-update (normally during boot time). BIG problem: I kept several backup files in /etc/modules.d/ like alsa.old, alsa.old.zip, but even Gentoo put some files there during updates, maybe ._.alsa and the like. Now the simple but heavy problem: modules-update is *very* greedy and includes *any* file it finds in /etc/modules.d/ into /etc/modules.conf, *even* if it was a binary zip file ;-))) . I removed all the unnecessary files and now the card ordering works *very* well, even when repetingly calling /etc/init.d/alsasound restart && cat /proc/asound/cards Thanks for the help, Clemens, you made my day! Best regards ce From torbenh at gmx.de Thu Nov 17 16:18:49 2005 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Thu Nov 17 16:00:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xfst (no sound) In-Reply-To: <437C31F9.4050705@adelphia.net> References: <437C31F9.4050705@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20051117211849.GA4736@mobilat> On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 02:32:09AM -0500, Brian Sturk wrote: > I managed to find xfst after not having much luck w/ jack_fst. I'm running > a pretty recent version of wine under gentoo linux. xfst successfully > launches every VST I've thrown at it so far and I even see what seems to be > it kicking off a MIDI thread when routing MIDI from muse to it through > jack. I believe I have everything setup correctly (although I am mostly > likely doing something wrong) but I do not hear anything. > > Relevant info: > > Gentoo Linux 2.6.12 > Built in sound card ALSA works fine > Wine version wine-20050725-r1 > > Routing MIDI from muse to xfst running Crystal VST > Routing audio out from Crystal VST to alsa_pcm outs > > Am I doing something incorrectly? I have tested jack etc by using > zynaddsubfx. you need to use xfst -r for Crystal. dont you get zombified ? other things than this i dont know what is happening, looks good from here. -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 16:47:56 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Nov 17 16:47:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA issues - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <200511172100.44460.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511170023.28361.ce@christeck.de> <1132211805.437c2e5d8ad3e@webmail.uni-halle.de> <200511172100.44460.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511171347t5e09a8b0h28377177818e8750@mail.gmail.com> On 11/17/05, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > BIG problem: I kept several backup files in /etc/modules.d/ like > alsa.old, alsa.old.zip, but even Gentoo put some files there during > updates, maybe ._.alsa and the like. Oh gosh!! I'm sorry. I've been burned by exactly the same thing. Another issue about modules-update (or update-moduels) is that should there be a problem with the format of a single file the script stops but doesn't tell you. You then reboot to find things aren't right again, and stuff is missing from modprobe.conf. Anyway, you're not alone my friend. I've been there with exactly the same issue maybe a year ago. Very glad you are working now. Chhers, Mark From ce at christeck.de Thu Nov 17 17:15:59 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Thu Nov 17 17:15:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA issues - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511171347t5e09a8b0h28377177818e8750@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511170023.28361.ce@christeck.de> <200511172100.44460.ce@christeck.de> <5bdc1c8b0511171347t5e09a8b0h28377177818e8750@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511172315.59461.ce@christeck.de> Hi Mark, > Oh gosh!! I'm sorry. I've been burned by exactly the same thing. Hehe :) . > Another issue about modules-update (or update-moduels) is that should > there be a problem with the format of a single file the script stops > but doesn't tell you. You then reboot to find things aren't right > again, and stuff is missing from modprobe.conf. > > Anyway, you're not alone my friend. I've been there with exactly the > same issue maybe a year ago. Very glad you are working now. Thanks for the info! I wonder if we could trigger to get this "bug" fixed. I already wrote to Aron Griffis whose name was mentioned in the script, but I wonder if there was a central maintainer so this behaviour could be changed to avoid other users being affected by the same thing? I see a lot of trouble with ALSA issues on the Gentoo user mailing list, and this is an occasion to remove one point of failure for the future, or am I wrong? Best regards ce From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 17:24:47 2005 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Nov 17 17:24:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cross fade loopm which tool Message-ID: <437D032F.3050004@gmail.com> Hi I recently discovered specimen, and what a nice piece of software!!! But I have a few problematic samples that just won't loop without clicking. I realize that since specimen merely points to samples and only offer basic loop point editing, I should look elsewhere for cross fade loops. But where? Is there a good linux based looping application that I can use for modifying the samples? And (pardon my ignorence) will loop points be saved together with the sample data itself in any format, perferrably one that's read by specimen, or do I have to write down the loop points and set them manually in specimen? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From ce at christeck.de Thu Nov 17 17:41:03 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Thu Nov 17 17:40:42 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? Message-ID: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> Hi, I'm looking for a device, mainly to get better audio quality as my Aureon offers (16Bits only), and to record some acoustic guitar and mics. AFAIK the Edirol UA-25 works plug and play with snd_usb_audio, but still some questions: * I read it is bus powered; but I wonder how can it get 48V phantom power from the USB bus?!? * I read somewhere on the web that there was a little hiss on the inputs. Can anyone confirm this, and is it OK or too much? * Can I use both outputs at the same time to connect all of them to different destinations? Do they appear in ALSA/JACK as 2 or 4 different ports? * Last but not least: Does it run at full duplex (2 ins and outs at the same time), and what latency can it provide (the lower the better :) ? Best regards ce From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 19:04:28 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Nov 17 19:04:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA issues - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <200511172315.59461.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511170023.28361.ce@christeck.de> <200511172100.44460.ce@christeck.de> <5bdc1c8b0511171347t5e09a8b0h28377177818e8750@mail.gmail.com> <200511172315.59461.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511171604o3a4769b3lec845e1ac58541eb@mail.gmail.com> On 11/17/05, Christoph Eckert wrote: > Hi Mark, > > > > Oh gosh!! I'm sorry. I've been burned by exactly the same thing. > > Hehe :) . > > > Another issue about modules-update (or update-moduels) is that should > > there be a problem with the format of a single file the script stops > > but doesn't tell you. You then reboot to find things aren't right > > again, and stuff is missing from modprobe.conf. > > > > Anyway, you're not alone my friend. I've been there with exactly the > > same issue maybe a year ago. Very glad you are working now. > > Thanks for the info! > > I wonder if we could trigger to get this "bug" fixed. > > I already wrote to Aron Griffis whose name was > mentioned in the script, but I wonder if there was a central maintainer > so this behaviour could be changed to avoid other users being affected > by the same thing? > > I see a lot of trouble with ALSA issues on the Gentoo user mailing list, > and this is an occasion to remove one point of failure for the future, > or am I wrong? > I think you are very right: 1) Alsa bugs are one of the more common bugs on that list. 2) This class of bugs exists in Gentoo. 3) It causes confusion and wastes time, both for users and developers. Whether the developers want to address it I have no idea. I'd suggest filing something in Bugzilla, either as a bug or an enhancement request. I am pretty certain that it will not get addressed right away. I've had a couple of threads myself on this subject over the last 2-3 years and it's never gained traction. That said I'll support any reasonable enhancement request. Please note that there is no requirement in Gentoo to use update-modules. (or modules-update) Users are free to write modprobe.conf by hand like they do on other distros. This is likely one of those things that is sort of in the cracks. Cheers, Mark From bsturk at adelphia.net Thu Nov 17 01:20:32 2005 From: bsturk at adelphia.net (Brian Sturk) Date: Thu Nov 17 20:25:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xfst (no sound) In-Reply-To: <20051117211849.GA4736@mobilat> References: <437C31F9.4050705@adelphia.net> <20051117211849.GA4736@mobilat> Message-ID: <437C2130.5050102@adelphia.net> > you need to use xfst -r for Crystal. > dont you get zombified ? > other things than this i dont know what is happening, looks good from > here. Hi there, Thanks for responding... Hmm, I tried the -r too same difference. What do you use for MIDI input into Crystal? I am trying to use MUSE but maybe that is the issue (I don't have MUSE setup correctly)? Is there a more simple way to test that it's working? Everything seems to work fine, just no sound. xfst isn't even using much CPU which is very good compared to most of the apps I've tried running under wine. ~brian -- .--------------------------------------------------,--------. | Brian Sturk - http://users.adelphia.net/~bsturk \ C/C++ | .> )\,^a__ |-------------------------. bsturkadelphia.net | Python |( _ _)/ /-."~ | http://www.telengard.com `------------------------`-------| `( )_ )/ | Telengard Technologies Inc. - NT/*nix UI & device drivers |_<_s_<_s `-----------------------------------------------------------' From pete.leigh at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 20:25:36 2005 From: pete.leigh at gmail.com (Pete Leigh) Date: Thu Nov 17 20:25:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: Hello there.. I'm also interested in this device, and some of the reading I've done will allow me to answer a couple of your questions.. hopefully the answers might even not be completely wrong :) > * I read it is bus powered; but I wonder how can it get 48V phantom > power from the USB bus?!? I think the phantom power is supplied at a few milliamps, hence not much power is needed, just a resistor with the right value, since V=IR, right? (Correction welcomed from actual EE's :) > * I read somewhere on the web that there was a little hiss on the > inputs. Can anyone confirm this, and is it OK or too much? If you read what I did, ( http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2005-October/027689.html ) the hiss was from the components inside the unit, not on the input channels, I think. Comments about the sound quality I've seen have been positive. > * Can I use both outputs at the same time to connect all of them to > different destinations? Do they appear in ALSA/JACK as 2 or 4 different > ports? I'm pretty sure you can only run two output channels (or 1 stereo) at one time, that is I think you'll get only 2 ports in alsa. I'm not sure whether the different physical output ports on the device run simultaneously, but it would seem strange not to. Don't know about the digital output, though. > * Last but not least: Does it run at full duplex (2 ins and outs at the > same time), and what latency can it provide (the lower the better :) ? >From the info at edirol.net, it will run in full duplex at up to 48KHz, and "half duplex", either in or out, at 96KHz. I gather from the downloadable manual that it will only do 16/44.1 with advanced mode switched to off, and only 24bits with advanced mode on, at least under windows. I'd be interested to know whether 16/48 could be achieved under Linux, despite this (ie if it's a limitation of the windows drivers). A user on this list reported latencies around 5ms a few months ago http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2005/07/1233.html If ua-25 owners that happen to read this could make an entry at http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ it would be very helpful! Now, not to hijack your thread, or anything, ... but ... ;) I've also been looking at the UR-80 - which has similar features to the UA-25, minus the limiters and the loopback feature, but with a 43-control midi controller interface added (they are very cheap at one online store I've looked at, about the same price as the UA-25, which seems a good deal). Clemens Ladisch was helping someone get this going, but (from looking at the archives) the attempt fizzled out when a request to provide lsusb -v output at the different settings went unanswered (sort of). I'd guess it could be made to work. Apparently there is an alsa patch especially for it, but I don't know if that means the controller stuff will work, and how much of it. Any info on this device under Linux would be very interesting to me. Also any info on ua-25 alternatives, as in my (unanswered (sob) ) post of a few days ago.. Cheers, - Pete. From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Nov 17 20:45:05 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Nov 17 20:45:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <437D3221.9060908@poeticstudios.com> I'm using an UA-25 and it works plug and play, but having difficulties with my gf UA-20 which doesn't get recognized by alsa, unless it is switched in 16bit mode. I can run it at 11.6ms (5.8+5.8) full duplex without any xrun. Lower latencies work but I get some xrun every now and then. Anyway I doubt you can get a greater bandwith with usb 1 at 24bit. On jack you get 2 separate inputs and 2 outputs. I get some hiss when I turn it on. It is not in the recording, you can hear it coming from the interface itself, but it goes away after a minute or two, when components are warmed up. I successfully recorded with a phantom powered AKG3000b. Quality is awesome. I strongly suggest it if you need an usb solution. c. - www.cesaremarilungo.com Christoph Eckert wrote: >Hi, > > >I'm looking for a device, mainly to get better audio quality as my >Aureon offers (16Bits only), and to record some acoustic guitar and >mics. > >AFAIK the Edirol UA-25 works plug and play with snd_usb_audio, but still >some questions: > >* I read it is bus powered; but I wonder how can it get 48V phantom >power from the USB bus?!? > >* I read somewhere on the web that there was a little hiss on the >inputs. Can anyone confirm this, and is it OK or too much? > >* Can I use both outputs at the same time to connect all of them to >different destinations? Do they appear in ALSA/JACK as 2 or 4 different >ports? > >* Last but not least: Does it run at full duplex (2 ins and outs at the >same time), and what latency can it provide (the lower the better :) ? > > >Best regards > > > ce > > > > > From pdman at aproximation.org Thu Nov 17 21:03:49 2005 From: pdman at aproximation.org (thewade) Date: Thu Nov 17 21:04:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel-2.6.14.2-lsm only slightly better... Message-ID: <437D3685.6090000@aproximation.org> Hi again! I built and installed 2.6.14.2. Like the standard FC4 kernel on this machine I had to disable acpi - I don't know if that could hurt anything besides battery performance... I built and installed realtime-lsm-0.1.1, running it with modprobe gid=500 any=1. I built jackd using: --with-default-tmpdir=/dev/shm (Fedora's tmpfs ram device, or so I think) (BTW: my fstab is weird about jacks temp directory (# This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details (LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 (LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 (/dev/devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 (/dev/shm /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 (/dev/proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 (/dev/sys /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 (LABEL=SWAP-hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0 (none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 (/dev/hdc /media/cdrecorder auto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 (none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 --enable-capabilities=0 (I thought this was bad 'cause the ccrma jack.spec file as capabilities disabled. Same results with enabled) --enable-posix-shm --disable-oss The best I can do with jack without out more then the 13 initial XRUNS is: /usr/local/bin/jackd -R -P70 -u -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p256 -n2 -m -H -M ...though qjackctl says cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 69) [for thread -1211757648, from thread -1211757648] (1: Operation not permitted) cannot lock down memory for RT thread (Cannot allocate memory) the qjackctl statistics window says realtime is enabled. When I run PD I use nice -5 pd but at the above frames/period I get all kinds of static when I change or move windows. I have to go back to -p1024 to avoid thoes pops (A/D/A sync errors PD calls them) So I guess I am ready to try changing the IRQ's of my sound cards (Mark?) . What should I do to make my machine perform better? I am going to ask the pd-list about pd optimizations. Thanks! -thewade From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Nov 17 21:28:19 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Nov 17 21:28:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-20 not seen by alsa in ADVANCED mode Message-ID: <437D3C43.4060203@poeticstudios.com> Hi. Despite, as I just wrote on another msg, my Edirol UA-25 worked flawlessly plug and play with any distribution and kernel I've tried, I'm having problem getting an UA-20 (for my gf) recognized by alsa and jack (tried Suse 10.0 and Slackware 10.2, both with kernel 2.6.13). The interface is recognized in stardard mode (16bit), but before buying it I read, also on this list if I remember well, that it should be fully supported (with the ADVANCED DRIVER turned ON, so with 16bit and MIDI support), like my UA-25. Please help me, 'cause I bought the UA-20 for my girlfriend, as I'm trying to convince her to downgrade to linux for her music production, and she believes I'm a guru. :-) c. - www.cesaremarilungo.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Nov 17 21:34:31 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Nov 17 21:42:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel-2.6.14.2-lsm only slightly better... In-Reply-To: <437D3685.6090000@aproximation.org> References: <437D3685.6090000@aproximation.org> Message-ID: <1132281271.6874.3.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 18:03 -0800, thewade wrote: > The best I can do with jack without out more then the 13 initial XRUNS > is: > /usr/local/bin/jackd -R -P70 -u -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p256 -n2 -m -H > -M > ...though qjackctl says > cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 69) [for thread > -1211757648, from thread -1211757648] (1: Operation not permitted) > cannot lock down memory for RT thread (Cannot allocate memory) > the qjackctl statistics window says realtime is enabled. > Your realtime LSM is somehow not working right, as JACK is unable to run in realtime mode. Make sure you are really in group 500 (run "groups" and "grep 500 /etc/group"). Check "dmesg | grep -i realtime" to make sure that the realtime module is being loaded with the correct options. Also try unloading realtime LSM and forcibly reloading it from the command line: # rmmod realtime # modprobe realtime gid=500 Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Nov 17 21:34:31 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Nov 17 22:09:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel-2.6.14.2-lsm only slightly better... In-Reply-To: <437D3685.6090000@aproximation.org> References: <437D3685.6090000@aproximation.org> Message-ID: <1132281271.6874.3.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 18:03 -0800, thewade wrote: > The best I can do with jack without out more then the 13 initial XRUNS > is: > /usr/local/bin/jackd -R -P70 -u -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p256 -n2 -m -H > -M > ...though qjackctl says > cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 69) [for thread > -1211757648, from thread -1211757648] (1: Operation not permitted) > cannot lock down memory for RT thread (Cannot allocate memory) > the qjackctl statistics window says realtime is enabled. > Your realtime LSM is somehow not working right, as JACK is unable to run in realtime mode. Make sure you are really in group 500 (run "groups" and "grep 500 /etc/group"). Check "dmesg | grep -i realtime" to make sure that the realtime module is being loaded with the correct options. Also try unloading realtime LSM and forcibly reloading it from the command line: # rmmod realtime # modprobe realtime gid=500 Lee From pdman at aproximation.org Thu Nov 17 23:18:27 2005 From: pdman at aproximation.org (thewade) Date: Thu Nov 17 23:18:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel-2.6.14.2-lsm only slightly better... Message-ID: <437D5613.7050702@aproximation.org> > On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 18:03 -0800, thewade wrote: > >/ The best I can do with jack without out more then the 13 initial XRUNS /> >/ is: /> >/ /usr/local/bin/jackd -R -P70 -u -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p256 -n2 -m -H /> >/ -M /> >/ ...though qjackctl says /> >/ cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 69) [for thread /> >/ -1211757648, from thread -1211757648] (1: Operation not permitted) /> >/ cannot lock down memory for RT thread (Cannot allocate memory) /> >/ the qjackctl statistics window says realtime is enabled. /> >/ /> > Your realtime LSM is somehow not working right, as JACK is unable to run > in realtime mode. Odd. When I run jack from the command line I get none of these error messages, but then again I am not using any verbosity related flags either. > Make sure you are really in group 500 (run "groups" and "grep > 500 /etc/group"). 'id -G' returns 500, and 'cat /etc/group | grep pdman' returns "pdman:x:500:" I seem to recal last time I tried to do the LSM thing I had to patch PAM: could this have anything to do with it? I have selinux disabled also. > Check "dmesg | grep -i realtime" to make sure that > the realtime module is being loaded with the correct options. Realtime LSM initialized (all groups, mlock=1) > Also try > unloading realtime LSM and forcibly reloading it from the command line: > > # rmmod realtime > # modprobe realtime gid=500 done. Now 'dmesg | grep -i realtime' says "Realtime LSM initialized (group 500, mlock=1)" No better performance though. Thanks for the help! -thewade From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Nov 17 23:59:36 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Nov 18 00:02:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel-2.6.14.2-lsm only slightly better... In-Reply-To: <437D3685.6090000@aproximation.org> References: <437D3685.6090000@aproximation.org> Message-ID: <1132289976.6874.9.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 18:03 -0800, thewade wrote: > --enable-posix-shm Why are you using this option? Otherwise it looks like a PD problem. Do you get any xruns at 256 frames if you don't connect any clients? Lee From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Nov 18 02:19:47 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Nov 18 02:20:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-20 not seen by alsa in ADVANCED mode In-Reply-To: <437D3C43.4060203@poeticstudios.com> References: <437D3C43.4060203@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <1132298387.437d80939005d@webmail.uni-halle.de> Cesare Marilungo wrote: > I'm having problem getting an UA-20 (for my gf) recognized by alsa and > jack (tried Suse 10.0 and Slackware 10.2, both with kernel 2.6.13). > > The interface is recognized in stardard mode (16bit), but before buying > it I read, also on this list if I remember well, that it should be fully > supported (with the ADVANCED DRIVER turned ON, so with 16bit and MIDI > support), like my UA-25. The UA-20 quirk was added over two years ago and should be in your distros. Please show the output of "lsusb -v". Does it have ID 0582:0025? Regards, Clemens From pdman at aproximation.org Fri Nov 18 02:24:35 2005 From: pdman at aproximation.org (thewade) Date: Fri Nov 18 02:24:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel-2.6.14.2-lsm only slightly better... Message-ID: <437D81B3.8070509@aproximation.org> So the weirdest thing just happened: I got tired of trying to figure out why the realtime module wasn't working so i started to play Diablo 2. When I finished I read Lee's email and tried it again. Now I get no bad RT messages! Now I can go all the way to 64 frames and get no xruns! I cannot do 32 frames because the HDSP cant work that small (If I remember correctly). PD still gets all scratchy when I move or switch windows. Is there some latency in loading modules perhaps, like the lsm module had loaded but not been fully integrated into the scheduler yet? Or could it have something to do with the first way I loaded the module: modprobe realtime gid=500 any=1 (dmesg said groups=any mlock=1) as opposed to the way I have it loaded now: modprobe realtime gid=500 (dmesg says groups=500 mlock=1) ? > > --enable-posix-shm > > Why are you using this option? Because Emmanuel Saracco sent me this url: http://esaracco.free.fr/documentations/linuxaudio/linuxaudio/ Otherwise, I assumed that it already was posix compliant. Isint most of Linux? I guess I am not too sure what POSIX is... In jack do I want --enable-capabilities or not BTW? Please tell me the jack build flags you use. > Otherwise it looks like a PD problem. Do you get any xruns at 256 > frames if you don't connect any clients? As I said PD pops at 256 frames when I move the windows or change windows. I suspect that this is not a PD problem so much as it is a window manager problem. I just built and installed a window manager called fluxbox that is supposed to be pretty light-weight as far as processor usage goes, so I will reboot and see if that does the trick. You see, I dont really have any other sound programs that use jack, but I bet they would do the same thing as PD. Everything else isint time dependant. One last thing: I hear a quiet high pitched noise/hum in the background when I start jackd, and it goes away when I stop jackd. What could this be? Perhaps use of the ramdisk causes my processor to make more electromagnetic noise, that my mixer picks up? Thank you, all of you, for the help! -thewade From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Nov 18 02:28:43 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Nov 18 02:28:50 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1132298923.437d82ab5bb1a@webmail.uni-halle.de> Pete Leigh wrote: > > * Last but not least: Does it run at full duplex (2 ins and outs at the > > same time), and what latency can it provide (the lower the better :) ? > > From the info at edirol.net, it will run in full duplex at up to 48KHz, and > "half duplex", either in or out, at 96KHz. > > I gather from the downloadable manual that it will only do 16/44.1 > with advanced mode switched to off, and only 24bits with advanced > mode on, at least under windows. I'd be interested to know whether > 16/48 could be achieved under Linux, despite this (ie if it's a limitation > of the windows drivers). The advanced mode is supported in Linux. > I've also been looking at the UR-80 - which has similar features to > the UA-25, minus the limiters and the loopback feature, but with > a 43-control midi controller interface added (they are very cheap > at one online store I've looked at, about the same price as the UA-25, > which seems a good deal). > > Clemens Ladisch was helping someone get this going, but (from > looking at the archives) the attempt fizzled out when a request to > provide lsusb -v output at the different settings went unanswered > (sort of). I'd guess it could be made to work. Yes. > Apparently there is an alsa patch especially for it, but I don't know > if that means the controller stuff will work, and how much of it. The quirk is for the MIDI port, which means that probably _only_ the controller stuff will work. Regards, Clemens From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Nov 18 02:37:16 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Nov 18 02:37:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <437D3221.9060908@poeticstudios.com> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <437D3221.9060908@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <1132299436.437d84acde6c8@webmail.uni-halle.de> Cesare Marilungo wrote: > I can run it at 11.6ms (5.8+5.8) full duplex without any xrun. Lower > latencies work but I get some xrun every now and then. All USB audio devices move data in one-millisecond packets, so the achievable latency depends _only_ on the software, not on what device you use. > Anyway I doubt you can get a greater bandwith with usb 1 at 24bit. The theoretical limit of USB 1.x is 12 Mb/s (i.e., 1,500,000 bytes/s). The Audigy 2 NX can do eight channels with 16 bits at 48 kHz (750 KB/s), but full duplex stereo with 24 bits at 96 kHz would need 1125 KB/s which is too much considering the protocol overhead. Regards, Clemens From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Nov 18 02:44:40 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Nov 18 02:46:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-20 not seen by alsa in ADVANCED mode In-Reply-To: <1132298387.437d80939005d@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <437D3C43.4060203@poeticstudios.com> <1132298387.437d80939005d@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <437D8668.2090002@poeticstudios.com> Clemens Ladisch wrote: >Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > >>I'm having problem getting an UA-20 (for my gf) recognized by alsa and >>jack (tried Suse 10.0 and Slackware 10.2, both with kernel 2.6.13). >> >>The interface is recognized in stardard mode (16bit), but before buying >>it I read, also on this list if I remember well, that it should be fully >>supported (with the ADVANCED DRIVER turned ON, so with 16bit and MIDI >>support), like my UA-25. >> >> > >The UA-20 quirk was added over two years ago and should be in your distros. > >Please show the output of "lsusb -v". Does it have ID 0582:0025? > > > Yes. c. >Regards, >Clemens > > > > From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Nov 18 03:09:42 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Nov 18 03:09:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <1132299436.437d84acde6c8@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <437D3221.9060908@poeticstudios.com> <1132299436.437d84acde6c8@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <437D8C46.3090807@poeticstudios.com> Clemens Ladisch wrote: >Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > >>I can run it at 11.6ms (5.8+5.8) full duplex without any xrun. Lower >>latencies work but I get some xrun every now and then. >> >> > >All USB audio devices move data in one-millisecond packets, so the achievable >latency depends _only_ on the software, not on what device you use. > > > Is it true? I didn't know. >>Anyway I doubt you can get a greater bandwith with usb 1 at 24bit. >> >> > >The theoretical limit of USB 1.x is 12 Mb/s (i.e., 1,500,000 bytes/s). >The Audigy 2 NX can do eight channels with 16 bits at 48 kHz (750 KB/s), >but full duplex stereo with 24 bits at 96 kHz would need 1125 KB/s which >is too much considering the protocol overhead. > > > >Regards, >Clemens > > > > From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Nov 18 03:29:07 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri Nov 18 03:29:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel-2.6.14.2-lsm only slightly better... In-Reply-To: <437D3685.6090000@aproximation.org> References: <437D3685.6090000@aproximation.org> Message-ID: <20051118092907.0c0a0943@mango.fruits.de> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:49 -0800 thewade wrote: > Hi again! > > I built and installed 2.6.14.2. Like the standard FC4 kernel on this > machine I had to disable acpi - I don't know if that could hurt anything > besides battery performance... > I built and installed realtime-lsm-0.1.1, running it with modprobe > gid=500 any=1. you're telling your realtime lsm two contrary wishes.. a] make users of group 500 have RT privs b] make all users have RT privs dunno how the realtime lsm handles this. maybe decide for one of them. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Nov 18 04:41:08 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Nov 18 04:41:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel-2.6.14.2-lsm only slightly better... In-Reply-To: <1132289976.6874.9.camel@mindpipe> References: <437D3685.6090000@aproximation.org> <1132289976.6874.9.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200511180941.09318.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 18 November 2005 04:59, Lee Revell was like: > Otherwise it looks like a PD problem. ?Do you get any xruns at 256 > frames if you don't connect any clients? I'd say it was a PD problem. I get similar experiences to thewade on a DeMuDi system where other audio apps (Ardour, Rosegarden, AMS etc.) work fine. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Nov 18 04:29:36 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Nov 18 04:41:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA issues - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511171604o3a4769b3lec845e1ac58541eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511170023.28361.ce@christeck.de> <200511172315.59461.ce@christeck.de> <5bdc1c8b0511171604o3a4769b3lec845e1ac58541eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511180929.36774.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 18 November 2005 00:04, Mark Knecht was like: > Please note that there is no requirement in Gentoo to use > update-modules. (or modules-update) Users are free to write > modprobe.conf by hand like they do on other distros. This is likely > one of those things that is sort of in the cracks. It's just as confusing in Debian. update-modules is obsolete (that's what the man-page says, it writes out to modprobe.conf), but due to the requirements of backwards compatibility, the old structure still exists. The whole is neither intuitive nor well documented. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From pete.leigh at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 04:50:54 2005 From: pete.leigh at gmail.com (Pete Leigh) Date: Fri Nov 18 04:50:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <1132298923.437d82ab5bb1a@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <1132298923.437d82ab5bb1a@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: On 18/11/05, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Pete Leigh wrote: > > I gather from the downloadable manual that it will only do 16/44.1 > > with advanced mode switched to off, and only 24bits with advanced > > mode on, at least under windows. I'd be interested to know whether > > 16/48 could be achieved under Linux, despite this (ie if it's a limitation > > of the windows drivers). > > The advanced mode is supported in Linux. Anyone know if the advanced mode can be coerced into 16 bits? I mean, if I run jack with -S, to force 16 bit mode, will it fail, if the device is set in advanced mode? (I'm worried about hd bandwidth at 96/24 because I only have a slow hd at the moment, and also I have this possibly useless idea to use the onboard soundcard for a monitor, with the usb device only sending input, while recording... since the onboard device is 16bits only, it seems this would be easier with 16 bit input) > > Apparently there is an alsa patch especially for it, but I don't know > > if that means the controller stuff will work, and how much of it. > > The quirk is for the MIDI port, which means that probably _only_ the > controller stuff will work. Right - I noticed the patch was for midi - I didn't know whether it was just for the pass-through midi to work :) [in another mail] >All USB audio devices move data in one-millisecond packets, so the achievable >latency depends _only_ on the software, not on what device you use. Just to be clear, then, does "All USB" include USB 2.0, so that 1.1 and 2.0 are equivalent for latency, and differ only in bandwidth? Cheers, - Pete. From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Fri Nov 18 05:28:50 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (frank smith) Date: Fri Nov 18 05:29:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] new song on-line In-Reply-To: References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <437DACE2.6060106@walescomputers.co.uk> HI Now thats a Blues song! great vocals!! Many thanks Bob BlueLSD Bungee wrote: >Dave Phillips wrote: > > > >>Greetings: >> >> I've uploaded a new song: >> >> http://linux-sound.org/keepmesatisfied.ogg >> >> And I've revised and updated my "Music Made With Ardour" page: >> >> http://linux-sound.org/ardour-music.html >> >> Lyrics and license for the new tune are on the Ardour music page, if >>anyone's interested. >> >> Enjoy! >> >>Best, >> >>dp >> >> >> >Not really a blues person myself, but I did enjoy these. I especially like the >quality performance and really clean recording. > > > From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Nov 18 06:32:57 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Nov 18 06:33:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <437D8C46.3090807@poeticstudios.com> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <437D3221.9060908@poeticstudios.com> <1132299436.437d84acde6c8@webmail.uni-halle.de> <437D8C46.3090807@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <437DBBE9.7010004@poeticstudios.com> Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Clemens Ladisch wrote: > >> Cesare Marilungo wrote: >> >> >>> I can run it at 11.6ms (5.8+5.8) full duplex without any xrun. Lower >>> latencies work but I get some xrun every now and then. >>> >> >> >> All USB audio devices move data in one-millisecond packets, so the >> achievable >> latency depends _only_ on the software, not on what device you use. >> >> >> > Is it true? I didn't know. > >>> Anyway I doubt you can get a greater bandwith with usb 1 at 24bit. >>> >> >> >> The theoretical limit of USB 1.x is 12 Mb/s (i.e., 1,500,000 bytes/s). >> The Audigy 2 NX can do eight channels with 16 bits at 48 kHz (750 KB/s), >> but full duplex stereo with 24 bits at 96 kHz would need 1125 KB/s which >> is too much considering the protocol overhead. >> >> > I still have some doubts. 24bits at 48 kHz full duplex in stereo is 4.8Mb/s which is less than half the total theoretical bandwidth. But we're talking about something that must be realtime without loosing anything. How does latency relate to this? I'm not much into such technical aspects but I believe that with more bandwidth and less latency you need more processor time and speed. So, pratically with current hw you can't go too far with usb 1.0. I achieved 5ms total latency but the system was unstable, on a 2GHz AMD64. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I just want to learn. Anyway do you have experience with this Audigy NX? What about the latency? My brother has an older Audigy (PCI not USB) and with the original drivers he get 1sec of latency (300ms in + 700out). >> >> Regards, >> Clemens >> >> >> >> > > > From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Nov 18 06:55:52 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Nov 18 06:56:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <1132298923.437d82ab5bb1a@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <1132314952.437dc14884cc5@webmail.uni-halle.de> Pete Leigh wrote: > On 18/11/05, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > Pete Leigh wrote: > > > > I gather from the downloadable manual that it will only do 16/44.1 > > > with advanced mode switched to off, and only 24bits with advanced > > > mode on, at least under windows. I'd be interested to know whether > > > 16/48 could be achieved under Linux, despite this (ie if it's a > > > limitation of the windows drivers). > > > > The advanced mode is supported in Linux. > > Anyone know if the advanced mode can be coerced into 16 bits? Advanced mode has 24 bits only. > I mean, if I run jack with -S, to force 16 bit mode, will it fail, if the > device is set in advanced mode? No, jack just tries to use 16 bits first. > (I'm worried about hd bandwidth at 96/24 because I only have a slow > hd at the moment, This shouldn't matter. > and also I have this possibly useless idea to use the onboard soundcard for > a monitor, with the usb device only sending input, while recording... since > the onboard device is 16bits only, it seems this would be easier with 16 bit > input) Those devices won't use the same clock anyway. > >All USB audio devices move data in one-millisecond packets, so the > >achievable latency depends _only_ on the software, not on what device you > >use. > > Just to be clear, then, does "All USB" include USB 2.0, so that 1.1 and 2.0 > are equivalent for latency, and differ only in bandwidth? USB 2.0 uses 8000 microframes per second, but EHCI don't interrupt more often than once per millisecond by default, so it doesn't make a difference. Regards, Clemens From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Nov 18 07:11:03 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Nov 18 07:11:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <437DBBE9.7010004@poeticstudios.com> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <437D3221.9060908@poeticstudios.com> <1132299436.437d84acde6c8@webmail.uni-halle.de> <437D8C46.3090807@poeticstudios.com> <437DBBE9.7010004@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <1132315863.437dc4d73908e@webmail.uni-halle.de> Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > Clemens Ladisch wrote: > >> The theoretical limit of USB 1.x is 12 Mb/s (i.e., 1,500,000 bytes/s). > >> The Audigy 2 NX can do eight channels with 16 bits at 48 kHz (750 KB/s), > >> but full duplex stereo with 24 bits at 96 kHz would need 1125 KB/s which > >> is too much considering the protocol overhead. > > I still have some doubts. 24bits at 48 kHz full duplex in stereo is > 4.8Mb/s which is less than half the total theoretical bandwidth. Yes, at 48 kHz it would work. > But we're talking about something that must be realtime without loosing > anything. How does latency relate to this? The USB host controller will send one packet per millisecond in hardware. The latency depends on whether the computer is able to schedule your program with a delay small enough so that it can write more data to the buffer in time. > Anyway do you have experience with this Audigy NX? No, only with the Audigy 2 NX. ;-) > What about the latency? Like any other USB audio device. It depends on your computer. On my machine, I can get about 2 ms (without anything else running), but I didn't test much. > My brother has an older Audigy (PCI not USB) PCI is completely different. > and with the original drivers he get 1sec of latency (300ms in + 700out). I hope you are not speaking about snd-emu10k1 here ... Regards, Clemens From pete.leigh at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 07:14:43 2005 From: pete.leigh at gmail.com (Pete Leigh) Date: Fri Nov 18 07:14:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <1132314952.437dc14884cc5@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <1132298923.437d82ab5bb1a@webmail.uni-halle.de> <1132314952.437dc14884cc5@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: On 18/11/05, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > USB 2.0 uses 8000 microframes per second, but EHCI don't interrupt more often > than once per millisecond by default, so it doesn't make a difference. [and much other useful and clear information] Thanks, Clemens! I think I might just take my chances on the UR-80, so make sure your "please show the lsusb -v output for this device" keyboard macro is up and running ;-) Seriously, thanks for your input - much appreciated. - Pete. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Nov 18 07:30:29 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Nov 18 07:16:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <437DACE2.6060106@walescomputers.co.uk> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> <437DACE2.6060106@walescomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <437DC965.1070706@woh.rr.com> frank smith wrote: > Now thats a Blues song! great vocals!! > > Many thanks > Bob > BlueLSD Thanks, Bob... errm, I mean Frank... ;) More stuff in the works. I'm getting into Ardour more deeply these days, learning new tricks all the time. Gain automation and region muting are my new friends... Best, dp From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Nov 18 07:30:17 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Nov 18 07:30:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <1132298923.437d82ab5bb1a@webmail.uni-halle.de> <1132314952.437dc14884cc5@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <437DC959.20805@poeticstudios.com> Pete Leigh wrote: >On 18/11/05, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > > >>USB 2.0 uses 8000 microframes per second, but EHCI don't interrupt more often >>than once per millisecond by default, so it doesn't make a difference. >> >> > > > So latency doesn't improve over USB 2.0? That's interesting. Thanks. c. >[and much other useful and clear information] > >Thanks, Clemens! I think I might just take my chances on the UR-80, so >make sure your "please show the lsusb -v output for this device" keyboard >macro is up and running ;-) > >Seriously, thanks for your input - much appreciated. > >- Pete. > > > > > From torbenh at gmx.de Fri Nov 18 12:59:08 2005 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Fri Nov 18 12:42:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xfst (no sound) In-Reply-To: <437C2130.5050102@adelphia.net> References: <437C31F9.4050705@adelphia.net> <20051117211849.GA4736@mobilat> <437C2130.5050102@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20051118175908.GB4337@mobilat> On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 01:20:32AM -0500, Brian Sturk wrote: > >you need to use xfst -r for Crystal. > >dont you get zombified ? > >other things than this i dont know what is happening, looks good from > >here. > > Hi there, > > Thanks for responding... no problem :) > > Hmm, I tried the -r too same difference. What do you use for MIDI input > into Crystal? I am trying to use MUSE but maybe that is the issue (I don't > have MUSE setup correctly)? Is there a more simple way to test that it's > working? try vkeybd. its a virtual midi keyboard. try some vst with visual feedback to notes. like albino2 or somthing. the albino has a light which flashes when it receives midi data. > > Everything seems to work fine, just no sound. xfst isn't even using much > CPU which is very good compared to most of the apps I've tried running > under wine. xfst does not burn cycles in IPC communication. it only executes the dsp code. and the dsp code of vsts is generally very good/optimized. -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From ce at christeck.de Fri Nov 18 15:11:27 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri Nov 18 15:11:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200511182111.27327.ce@christeck.de> > If ua-25 owners that happen to read this could make an entry > at http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ it would be very helpful! Done ;-) . Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Fri Nov 18 15:14:54 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri Nov 18 15:14:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <437D3221.9060908@poeticstudios.com> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <437D3221.9060908@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <200511182114.54123.ce@christeck.de> > I strongly suggest it if you need an usb solution. thanks a lot for the hint. I just bought it, but didn't test it excessively yet. I'll not be disappointed I guess. Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Fri Nov 18 15:19:12 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri Nov 18 15:18:50 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <1132315863.437dc4d73908e@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <437DBBE9.7010004@poeticstudios.com> <1132315863.437dc4d73908e@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <200511182119.12467.ce@christeck.de> > > What about the latency? > > Like any other USB audio device. ?It depends on your computer. > > On my machine, I can get about 2 ms (without anything else running), > but I didn't test much. well, just bought the UA-25, but the latency is horrible with the new vanilla 2.6.14.2. I tried to build a second 2.6.14 with ingo's patch applied, but my machine doesn't boot this kernel. I wonder what I should try next. RT-LSM? Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Fri Nov 18 15:22:59 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri Nov 18 15:22:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA issues - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <200511172315.59461.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511170023.28361.ce@christeck.de> <5bdc1c8b0511171347t5e09a8b0h28377177818e8750@mail.gmail.com> <200511172315.59461.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200511182123.00040.ce@christeck.de> Hi, > I see a lot of trouble with ALSA issues on the Gentoo user mailing > list, and this is an occasion to remove one point of failure for the > future, or am I wrong? I just received an email by Aron and he politely tries to pass it to the baselayout team. Thanks a lot! Best regards ce From terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net Fri Nov 18 11:25:33 2005 From: terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net (Terrence) Date: Fri Nov 18 15:28:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Transposing, revisited Message-ID: <17278.125.94044.955588@www.terrencevak.net> Hello, all, I'd asked about a program for transposing midis, but have found an MP3 that's even better. Is there a console program that will transpose MP3s? Thanks, Terrence From pete.leigh at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 15:43:06 2005 From: pete.leigh at gmail.com (Pete Leigh) Date: Fri Nov 18 15:43:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <200511182119.12467.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <437DBBE9.7010004@poeticstudios.com> <1132315863.437dc4d73908e@webmail.uni-halle.de> <200511182119.12467.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: On 18/11/05, Christoph Eckert wrote: > I wonder what I should try next. RT-LSM? This might be a good start: http://alsa.opensrc.org/TerratecAureonUSB5.1 - Pete. From ce at christeck.de Fri Nov 18 15:55:33 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri Nov 18 15:55:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <200511182119.12467.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200511182155.33152.ce@christeck.de> Hi, > > I wonder what I should try next. RT-LSM? > > This might be a good start: > > ? ?http://alsa.opensrc.org/TerratecAureonUSB5.1 thanks a lot. OTOH, this is a page that I created myself ;-) . As far as I have read, RT-LSM does not work on 2.6.14 kernels; but maybe I'll just try it out. Best regards ce From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Nov 18 16:42:56 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Nov 18 16:58:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <200511182119.12467.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <437DBBE9.7010004@poeticstudios.com> <1132315863.437dc4d73908e@webmail.uni-halle.de> <200511182119.12467.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1132350176.6874.17.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 21:19 +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > > What about the latency? > > > > Like any other USB audio device. It depends on your computer. > > > > On my machine, I can get about 2 ms (without anything else running), > > but I didn't test much. > > well, just bought the UA-25, but the latency is horrible with the new > vanilla 2.6.14.2. I tried to build a second 2.6.14 with ingo's patch > applied, but my machine doesn't boot this kernel. > First, try to provide a useful bug report. "The latency is horrible" is not much better than "it doesn't work". Is this with JACK? Running in realtime mode? What settings? Which clients? How bad is the latency? > I wonder what I should try next. RT-LSM? > > No RT LSM only makes realtime scheduling available to users other than root. It won't help you get "better latency" from your audio device. Lee From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Fri Nov 18 17:14:16 2005 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Fri Nov 18 17:14:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Transposing, revisited In-Reply-To: <17278.125.94044.955588@www.terrencevak.net> References: <17278.125.94044.955588@www.terrencevak.net> Message-ID: <20051119091416.607312ed.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Terrence wrote: > Hello, all, > I'd asked about a program for transposing midis, but have found > an MP3 that's even better. Is there a console program that will > transpose MP3s? There's a fundamental difference between MIDI files and MP3/WAV etc files. MIDI files contain a series of note on / note off messages. Its a bit like electronic sheet music and hence very easy to transpose. MP3 and WAV (and all the others) are digital recordings of the sounds. There is no note information. If you are willing to live with the music slow as you transpose done, or speeding up as you transpose up then it should be possible to code something up with Secret Rabbit Code http://www.mega-nerd.com/SRC/ If you want to maintain speed as you modify pitch then that becomes significantly harder especially if you want to transpose more than a semitone or so. My advice is transpose the MIDI file. Thats much easier. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Question #10342: Ruling on a Muslim eating with a kaafir http://islamqa.com/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=10342&dgn=4 From ce at christeck.de Fri Nov 18 17:49:09 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri Nov 18 17:48:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <1132350176.6874.17.camel@mindpipe> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <200511182119.12467.ce@christeck.de> <1132350176.6874.17.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200511182349.10104.ce@christeck.de> Hi Lee, > First, try to provide a useful bug report. ?"The latency is horrible" > is not much better than "it doesn't work". you're right, sorry for that. > Is this with JACK? ?Running in realtime mode? ?What settings? ?Which > clients? ?How bad is the latency? I just did my first tests with aeolus, the organ synth. It runs on top of JACK which I run in conjunction with qjackctl. I have a 2.6.14.2 vanilla kernel installed. Additionally I have installed RT-LSM. The module is loaded and grants any user access to it. I now get much better results. I run JACK as /usr/local/bin/jackd -R -P83 -p64 -dalsa -r48000 -p256 -n3 -D -Chw:2 -Phw:2 qjackctl tells me about 16msecs latency with these settings. No prob playing aeolus, but I plan to pipe audio material (playing the guitar and the bass) through my computer so less latency would be great. I also have edited /etc/security/limits.conf as found on the web. It now contains something like @audio - rt_priority 95 @audio - nice -10 @audio - memlock 300000 but to be honest I have no clue which app read or use this. I have also a program installed which reads as set_rtlimits and one which reads as setpcaps, but to be honest, I do not know at all how these relate to each other and how to use them. This means that any wee small hint that gives me a starting point is much appreciated. Thanks & best regards ce From reubenf at sonic.net Fri Nov 18 18:14:41 2005 From: reubenf at sonic.net (reuben) Date: Fri Nov 18 18:14:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] delta 44...80% there?? Message-ID: <437E6061.50508@sonic.net> I have installed the delta 44 card, and alsa detected it first time after a boot. Problem is of course I'm not getting sound. Using kmix, I turned all the channels up...but no audio. What should I do next? (If I do lsmod | grep snd, I get:) snd_ice1712 56388 1 snd_ice17xx_ak4xxx 4224 1 snd_ice1712 snd_ak4xxx_adda 6144 2 snd_ice1712,snd_ice17xx_ak4xxx snd_cs8427 9216 1 snd_ice1712 snd_i2c 5376 2 snd_ice1712,snd_cs8427 snd_mpu401_uart 6784 1 snd_ice1712 snd_rawmidi 22816 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 8204 1 snd_rawmidi snd_intel8x0 30144 4 snd_ac97_codec 72188 2 snd_ice1712,snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm_oss 46368 0 snd_mixer_oss 16128 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 78344 5 snd_ice1712,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 21764 2 snd_pcm snd 48644 21 snd_ice1712,snd_ak4xxx_adda,snd_cs8427,snd_i2c,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 9184 1 snd snd_page_alloc 10120 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Nov 18 18:39:44 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri Nov 18 18:39:50 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] delta 44...80% there?? In-Reply-To: <437E6061.50508@sonic.net> References: <437E6061.50508@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20051119003944.706f36ca@mango.fruits.de> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:14:41 -0800 reuben wrote: > I have installed the delta 44 card, and alsa detected it first time > after a boot. Problem is of course I'm not getting sound. Using kmix, I > turned all the channels up...but no audio. > > What should I do next? run envy24control -c 0 or envy24control -c 1 or whatever your card number is. Regards, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From roberts.noah at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 19:08:18 2005 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Fri Nov 18 19:08:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <200511182349.10104.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <200511182119.12467.ce@christeck.de> <1132350176.6874.17.camel@mindpipe> <200511182349.10104.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <567aa5f60511181608o4758c53fge7d53c110aaa0c52@mail.gmail.com> > I also have edited /etc/security/limits.conf as found on the web. It now > contains something like > > @audio - rt_priority 95 > @audio - nice -10 > @audio - memlock 300000 > > but to be honest I have no clue which app read or use this. PAM. From terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net Fri Nov 18 15:19:14 2005 From: terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net (Terrence) Date: Fri Nov 18 19:21:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Transposing, revisited In-Reply-To: <20051119091416.607312ed.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <17278.125.94044.955588@www.terrencevak.net> <20051119091416.607312ed.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <17278.14146.404945.339834@www.terrencevak.net> Thanks, Eric. Any recommendations on the best way to do that from a console? Terrence From TimBlechmann at gmx.net Fri Nov 18 20:41:10 2005 From: TimBlechmann at gmx.net (Tim Blechmann) Date: Fri Nov 18 19:40:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] building libfst problem Message-ID: <20051119014110.6c421444@laptop> hi all, i'm trying to build libfst-0.6 with wine-20050930 ... this gives me the following error message: make[1]: Entering directory `/home/tim/sandbox/fst-1.6/fst' LD_LIBRARY_PATH=":$LD_LIBRARY_PATH" /usr/bin/winebuild -fPIC -o libfst.spec.c --exe libfst -mgui pthread.o interlocked.o gettid.o libwinelib.o vstwin.o fstinfofile.o fst.o -L/usr/lib/wine -L/usr/lib/wine -ladvapi32 -lcomdlg32 -lgdi32 -lkernel32 -lodbc32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -lshell32 -luser32 -lwinspool winebuild: executable must be named via the -F option make[1]: *** [libfst.spec.c] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/tim/sandbox/fst-1.6/fst' make: *** [fst] Error any idea? thanks ... tim -- mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de ICQ: 96771783 http://www.mokabar.tk latest mp3: kMW.mp3 http://mattin.org/mp3.html latest cd: Goh Lee Kwang & Tim Blechmann: Drone http://www.geocities.com/gohleekwangtimblechmannduo/ After one look at this planet any visitor from outer space would say "I want to see the manager." William S. Burroughs From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Nov 18 20:22:10 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri Nov 18 20:19:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] building libfst problem In-Reply-To: <20051119014110.6c421444@laptop> References: <20051119014110.6c421444@laptop> Message-ID: <1132363330.27258.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-11-19 at 01:41 +0000, Tim Blechmann wrote: > hi all, > > i'm trying to build libfst-0.6 with wine-20050930 ... bad idea. visit www.joebutton.co.uk/fst From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Nov 18 21:00:11 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Nov 18 21:00:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-20 not seen by alsa in ADVANCED mode - ADDITIONAL INFO In-Reply-To: <1132298387.437d80939005d@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <437D3C43.4060203@poeticstudios.com> <1132298387.437d80939005d@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <437E872B.5020102@poeticstudios.com> Still no luck. As I said the id from lsusb is correct. I'm trying this card on two different PCs both with Slackware 10.2 and a custom compiled 2.6.13 kernel + Suse 9.3 with its 2.6.11 on my machine. I also recompiled 2.6.13 without the USB-AUDIO as I read somewhere that it can conflicts with alsa usb implementation. qjackctl shows my UA-25 on both. The UA-20 can be seen and used just with the ADVANCED MODE OFF. What else should I try? Thanks in advance, c. Clemens Ladisch wrote: >Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > >>I'm having problem getting an UA-20 (for my gf) recognized by alsa and >>jack (tried Suse 10.0 and Slackware 10.2, both with kernel 2.6.13). >> >>The interface is recognized in stardard mode (16bit), but before buying >>it I read, also on this list if I remember well, that it should be fully >>supported (with the ADVANCED DRIVER turned ON, so with 16bit and MIDI >>support), like my UA-25. >> >> > >The UA-20 quirk was added over two years ago and should be in your distros. > >Please show the output of "lsusb -v". Does it have ID 0582:0025? > > >Regards, >Clemens > > > > From bsturk at adelphia.net Fri Nov 18 21:08:08 2005 From: bsturk at adelphia.net (Brian Sturk) Date: Fri Nov 18 21:07:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xfst (no sound) In-Reply-To: <20051118175908.GB4337@mobilat> References: <437C31F9.4050705@adelphia.net> <20051117211849.GA4736@mobilat> <437C2130.5050102@adelphia.net> <20051118175908.GB4337@mobilat> Message-ID: <437E8908.2000105@adelphia.net> torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 01:20:32AM -0500, Brian Sturk wrote: > > try vkeybd. its a virtual midi keyboard. > > try some vst with visual feedback to notes. like albino2 or somthing. > the albino has a light which flashes when it receives midi data. Hi again, Excellent! I have it working. Quite impressive. Thanks so much for your help! Now on to figuring out the sequencers. ~brian -- .--------------------------------------------------,--------. | Brian Sturk - http://users.adelphia.net/~bsturk \ C/C++ | .> )\,^a__ |-------------------------. bsturkadelphia.net | Python |( _ _)/ /-."~ | http://www.telengard.com `------------------------`-------| `( )_ )/ | Telengard Technologies Inc. - NT/*nix UI & device drivers |_<_s_<_s `-----------------------------------------------------------' From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Nov 18 22:04:00 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Nov 18 22:04:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-20 not seen by alsa in ADVANCED mode - ADDITIONAL INFO In-Reply-To: <437E872B.5020102@poeticstudios.com> References: <437D3C43.4060203@poeticstudios.com> <1132298387.437d80939005d@webmail.uni-halle.de> <437E872B.5020102@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <437E9620.5050902@poeticstudios.com> This is my lsusb -v output: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 04b4:aefa Cypress Semiconductor Corp. Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.00 bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 8 idVendor 0x04b4 Cypress Semiconductor Corp. idProduct 0xaefa bcdDevice 5.50 iManufacturer 1 ACROX iProduct 2 Combo Mouse iSerial 0 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 34 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0xa0 Remote Wakeup MaxPower 100mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 3 Human Interface Devices bInterfaceSubClass 1 Boot Interface Subclass bInterfaceProtocol 2 Mouse iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0004 bytes 4 three times bInterval 10 HID Device Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 33 bcdHID 1.00 bCountryCode 0 Not supported bNumDescriptors 1 bDescriptorType 34 Report wDescriptorLength 52 Report Descriptor: (length is 52) Item(Global): Usage Page, data= [ 0x01 ] 1 Generic Desktop Controls Item(Local ): Usage, data= [ 0x02 ] 2 Mouse Item(Main ): Collection, data= [ 0x01 ] 1 Application Item(Local ): Usage, data= [ 0x01 ] 1 Pointer Item(Main ): Collection, data= [ 0x00 ] 0 Physical Item(Global): Usage Page, data= [ 0x09 ] 9 Buttons Item(Local ): Usage Minimum, data= [ 0x01 ] 1 Button 1 (Primary) Item(Local ): Usage Maximum, data= [ 0x03 ] 3 Button 3 (Tertiary) Item(Global): Logical Minimum, data= [ 0x00 ] 0 Item(Global): Logical Maximum, data= [ 0x01 ] 1 Item(Global): Report Count, data= [ 0x03 ] 3 Item(Global): Report Size, data= [ 0x01 ] 1 Item(Main ): Input, data= [ 0x02 ] 2 Data Variable Absolute No_Wrap Linear Preferred_State No_Null_Position Non_Volatile Bitfield Item(Global): Report Count, data= [ 0x01 ] 1 Item(Global): Report Size, data= [ 0x05 ] 5 Item(Main ): Input, data= [ 0x01 ] 1 Constant Array Absolute No_Wrap Linear Preferred_State No_Null_Position Non_Volatile Bitfield Item(Global): Usage Page, data= [ 0x01 ] 1 Generic Desktop Controls Item(Local ): Usage, data= [ 0x30 ] 48 Direction-X Item(Local ): Usage, data= [ 0x31 ] 49 Direction-Y Item(Local ): Usage, data= [ 0x38 ] 56 Wheel Item(Global): Logical Minimum, data= [ 0x81 ] 129 Item(Global): Logical Maximum, data= [ 0x7f ] 127 Item(Global): Report Size, data= [ 0x08 ] 8 Item(Global): Report Count, data= [ 0x03 ] 3 Item(Main ): Input, data= [ 0x06 ] 6 Data Variable Relative No_Wrap Linear Preferred_State No_Null_Position Non_Volatile Bitfield Item(Main ): End Collection, data=none Item(Main ): End Collection, data=none Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass 9 Hub bDeviceSubClass 0 Unused bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 8 idVendor 0x0000 idProduct 0x0000 bcdDevice 2.06 iManufacturer 3 Linux 2.6.13 ohci_hcd iProduct 2 Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (#3) iSerial 1 0000:00:03.2 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 25 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0xe0 Self Powered Remote Wakeup MaxPower 0mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 9 Hub bInterfaceSubClass 0 Unused bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0002 bytes 2 twice bInterval 255 Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0ea0:2168 Ours Technology, Inc. Transcend JetFlash 2.0 / Astone USB Drive Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 2.00 bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 64 idVendor 0x0ea0 Ours Technology, Inc. idProduct 0x2168 Transcend JetFlash 2.0 / Astone USB Drive bcdDevice 2.00 iManufacturer 1 USB iProduct 2 iSerial 0 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 39 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0x80 MaxPower 200mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 3 bInterfaceClass 8 Mass Storage bInterfaceSubClass 6 SCSI bInterfaceProtocol 80 Bulk (Zip) iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0040 bytes 64 once bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x02 EP 2 OUT bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0040 bytes 64 once bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x83 EP 3 IN bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0002 bytes 2 twice bInterval 1 Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0a4d:0090 Evolution Electronics, Ltd Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.00 bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 64 idVendor 0x0a4d Evolution Electronics, Ltd idProduct 0x0090 bcdDevice 1.22 iManufacturer 1 Evolution Electronics Ltd. iProduct 2 Keystation 49e iSerial 0 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 101 bNumInterfaces 2 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 3 Audio Class bmAttributes 0xc0 Self Powered MaxPower 0mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 0 bInterfaceClass 1 Audio bInterfaceSubClass 1 Control Device bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 1 (HEADER) bcdADC 1.00 wTotalLength 9 bInCollection 1 baInterfaceNr( 0) 1 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 1 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 1 Audio bInterfaceSubClass 3 MIDI Streaming bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0040 bytes 64 once bInterval 0 bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 MIDIStreaming Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 5 bDescriptorType 37 bDescriptorSubtype 1 (GENERAL) bNumEmbMIDIJack 1 baAssocJackID( 0) 3 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x02 EP 2 OUT bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0040 bytes 64 once bInterval 0 bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 MIDIStreaming Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 5 bDescriptorType 37 bDescriptorSubtype 1 (GENERAL) bNumEmbMIDIJack 1 baAssocJackID( 0) 1 MIDIStreaming Interface Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 1 (HEADER) bcdADC 1.00 wTotalLength 65 MIDIStreaming Interface Descriptor: bLength 6 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 2 (MIDI_IN_JACK) bJackType 1 Embedded bJackID 1 iJack 0 MIDIStreaming Interface Descriptor: bLength 6 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 2 (MIDI_IN_JACK) bJackType 2 External bJackID 2 iJack 0 MIDIStreaming Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 3 (MIDI_OUT_JACK) bJackType 1 Embedded bJackID 3 bNrInputPins 1 baSourceID( 0) 2 BaSourcePin( 0) 1 iJack 0 MIDIStreaming Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 3 (MIDI_OUT_JACK) bJackType 2 External bJackID 4 bNrInputPins 1 baSourceID( 0) 1 BaSourcePin( 0) 1 iJack 0 Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass 9 Hub bDeviceSubClass 0 Unused bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 8 idVendor 0x0000 idProduct 0x0000 bcdDevice 2.06 iManufacturer 3 Linux 2.6.13 ohci_hcd iProduct 2 Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (#2) iSerial 1 0000:00:03.1 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 25 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0xe0 Self Powered Remote Wakeup MaxPower 0mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 9 Hub bInterfaceSubClass 0 Unused bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0002 bytes 2 twice bInterval 255 Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0582:0025 Roland Corp. Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 255 bMaxPacketSize0 8 idVendor 0x0582 Roland Corp. idProduct 0x0025 bcdDevice 1.01 iManufacturer 1 Roland iProduct 2 EDIROL UA-20 iSerial 0 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 322 bNumInterfaces 4 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0x80 MaxPower 170mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 0 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass 1 bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 1 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 0 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass 2 bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 1 bAlternateSetting 1 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass 2 bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x01 EP 1 OUT bmAttributes 9 Transfer Type Isochronous Synch Type Adaptive Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0120 bytes 288 once bInterval 1 bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 2 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 0 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass 2 bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 2 bAlternateSetting 1 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass 2 bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x82 EP 2 IN bmAttributes 5 Transfer Type Isochronous Synch Type Asynchronous Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0120 bytes 288 once bInterval 1 bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 3 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass 3 bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x03 EP 3 OUT bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0020 bytes 32 once bInterval 0 bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x84 EP 4 IN bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0020 bytes 32 once bInterval 0 bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 3 bAlternateSetting 1 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass 3 bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x03 EP 3 OUT bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0020 bytes 32 once bInterval 0 bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x84 EP 4 IN bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0020 bytes 32 once bInterval 1 bRefresh 0 bSynchAddress 0 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass 9 Hub bDeviceSubClass 0 Unused bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 8 idVendor 0x0000 idProduct 0x0000 bcdDevice 2.06 iManufacturer 3 Linux 2.6.13 ohci_hcd iProduct 2 Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller iSerial 1 0000:00:03.0 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 25 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0xe0 Self Powered Remote Wakeup MaxPower 0mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 9 Hub bInterfaceSubClass 0 Unused bInterfaceProtocol 0 iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0002 bytes 2 twice bInterval 255 Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Still no luck. As I said the id from lsusb is correct. > > I'm trying this card on two different PCs both with Slackware 10.2 and > a custom compiled 2.6.13 kernel + Suse 9.3 with its 2.6.11 on my machine. > > I also recompiled 2.6.13 without the USB-AUDIO as I read somewhere > that it can conflicts with alsa usb implementation. > > qjackctl shows my UA-25 on both. The UA-20 can be seen and used just > with the ADVANCED MODE OFF. > > What else should I try? > > Thanks in advance, > > c. > > Clemens Ladisch wrote: > >> Cesare Marilungo wrote: >> >> >>> I'm having problem getting an UA-20 (for my gf) recognized by alsa and >>> jack (tried Suse 10.0 and Slackware 10.2, both with kernel 2.6.13). >>> >>> The interface is recognized in stardard mode (16bit), but before buying >>> it I read, also on this list if I remember well, that it should be >>> fully >>> supported (with the ADVANCED DRIVER turned ON, so with 16bit and MIDI >>> support), like my UA-25. >>> >> >> >> The UA-20 quirk was added over two years ago and should be in your >> distros. >> >> Please show the output of "lsusb -v". Does it have ID 0582:0025? >> >> >> Regards, >> Clemens >> >> >> >> > > > From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Sat Nov 19 01:30:21 2005 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Sat Nov 19 01:30:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Transposing, revisited In-Reply-To: <17278.14146.404945.339834@www.terrencevak.net> References: <17278.125.94044.955588@www.terrencevak.net> <20051119091416.607312ed.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <17278.14146.404945.339834@www.terrencevak.net> Message-ID: <20051119173021.263a1c4a.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Terrence wrote: > Thanks, Erik. Any recommendations on the best way to do that > from a console? Sorry, I don't really do anything with MIDI myself so I can't answer that. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ The Myth of Islamic Tolerance http://answering-islam.org.uk/Shamoun/badawi_tolerance.htm From pgclarke at beeb.net Sat Nov 19 01:41:44 2005 From: pgclarke at beeb.net (Peter Clarke) Date: Sat Nov 19 01:43:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Transposing an MP3 file In-Reply-To: <200511182344.jAINhmsr009670@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200511182344.jAINhmsr009670@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200511191441.44224.pgclarke@beeb.net> Hi all, My first post here. Terrence asked about transposing an MP3 file, and Erik's reply is correct in that you can transpose it by resampling, provided you can put up with the music changing speed as well - which is, of course, usually not acceptable. However, Audacity has a transpose function. It's in the Effects menu, called "Change pitch". I haven't tried it with music, but it works great with speech - making the voice deeper without slowing it down. Peter Clarke > Terrence wrote: > > Hello, all, > > ??????I'd asked about a program for transposing midis, > > but have found an MP3 that's even better. ?Is there a > > console program that will transpose MP3s? From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Sat Nov 19 02:40:02 2005 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Sat Nov 19 02:40:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Transposing an MP3 file In-Reply-To: <200511191441.44224.pgclarke@beeb.net> References: <200511182344.jAINhmsr009670@roar.music.columbia.edu> <200511191441.44224.pgclarke@beeb.net> Message-ID: <20051119184002.40e27cd6.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Peter Clarke wrote: > Hi all, > My first post here. Terrence asked about transposing an MP3 > file, and Erik's reply is correct in that you can transpose > it by resampling, provided you can put up with the music > changing speed as well - which is, of course, usually not > acceptable. > > However, Audacity has a transpose function. Yes, using libsoundtouch. > It's in the > Effects menu, called "Change pitch". I haven't tried it > with music, but it works great with speech - making the > voice deeper without slowing it down. It will work much better for speech and monophonic music signals than it will for normal polyphonic music. You might however get away with it if the pitch changes is small (ie a couple of semitones). Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "Try switching to a distribution that actually ..distributes.. things people need." -- Dave Robillard on Fedora Core From ce at christeck.de Sat Nov 19 06:25:43 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Nov 19 06:25:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60511181608o4758c53fge7d53c110aaa0c52@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <200511182349.10104.ce@christeck.de> <567aa5f60511181608o4758c53fge7d53c110aaa0c52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511191225.43143.ce@christeck.de> > > I also have edited /etc/security/limits.conf as found on the web. > > It now contains something like > > > > @audio ? ? ? ? ?- ? ? ? rt_priority ? ? 95 > > @audio ? ? ? ? ?- ? ? ? nice ? ? ? ? ? ?-10 > > @audio ? ? ? ? ?- ? ? ? memlock ? ? ? ? 300000 > > > > but to be honest I have no clue which app read or use this. > > PAM. Thanks a lot. I always denied to get familiar with PAM, but it looks like there's no way around it ;-) . Best regards ce From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Sat Nov 19 10:38:28 2005 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Sat Nov 19 10:35:02 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Transposing an MP3 file In-Reply-To: <200511191441.44224.pgclarke@beeb.net> References: <200511182344.jAINhmsr009670@roar.music.columbia.edu> <200511191441.44224.pgclarke@beeb.net> Message-ID: <437F46F4.5030507@chapelperilous.net> Peter Clarke wrote: >Hi all, >My first post here. Terrence asked about transposing an MP3 >file, and Erik's reply is correct in that you can transpose >it by resampling, provided you can put up with the music >changing speed as well - which is, of course, usually not >acceptable. > >However, Audacity has a transpose function. It's in the >Effects menu, called "Change pitch". I haven't tried it >with music, but it works great with speech - making the >voice deeper without slowing it down. > > There are also pitch shifting LADSPA plugins. From reubenf at sonic.net Sat Nov 19 11:34:30 2005 From: reubenf at sonic.net (reuben) Date: Sat Nov 19 11:34:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Delta 44 ... more troubleshooting Message-ID: <437F5416.3000101@sonic.net> Apologies for not staying in thread, but when I reply my messages get held for approval (I have suspicious headers??) To recap: I have a delta 44. lsmod shows that the ice1712 driver is correctly loading. Both kmix and envy24control show all channels etc. However, I don't seem to be able to output to it using ALSA. (In envy24control, the meters never show activity; in xmms, which I am using as a step 1, anything I try results in "are you sure you card is configured"...) Could somebody guide me through the ALSA settings that work for them for, e.g. xmms? Thanks Reuben From Martin.Wohlleben at gmx.de Sat Nov 19 12:31:41 2005 From: Martin.Wohlleben at gmx.de (Martin Wohlleben) Date: Sat Nov 19 12:31:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] building libfst problem In-Reply-To: <20051119014110.6c421444@laptop> References: <20051119014110.6c421444@laptop> Message-ID: <200511191831.42119.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> Am Samstag, 19. November 2005 02:41 schrieb Tim Blechmann: > hi all, > > i'm trying to build libfst-0.6 with wine-20050930 ... > > this gives me the following error message: > make[1]: Entering directory `/home/tim/sandbox/fst-1.6/fst' > LD_LIBRARY_PATH=":$LD_LIBRARY_PATH" /usr/bin/winebuild -fPIC -o > libfst.spec.c --exe libfst -mgui pthread.o interlocked.o gettid.o > libwinelib.o vstwin.o fstinfofile.o fst.o -L/usr/lib/wine > -L/usr/lib/wine -ladvapi32 -lcomdlg32 -lgdi32 -lkernel32 -lodbc32 > -lole32 -loleaut32 -lshell32 -luser32 -lwinspool > winebuild: executable must be named via the -F option > make[1]: *** [libfst.spec.c] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/tim/sandbox/fst-1.6/fst' > make: *** [fst] Error > > any idea? > > thanks ... tim Hi Tim, that easy. I just added the -F option after --exe ... e.g. $(LDPATH) $(WINEBUILD) -fPIC -o $@ --exe -F$(fst_exe_MODULE)... good luck, Martin From rncbc at rncbc.org Sat Nov 19 13:59:19 2005 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Sat Nov 19 13:57:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] QjackCtl 0.2.19 released! Message-ID: <437F7607.6000801@rncbc.org> Hi, QjackCtl 0.2.19 has been released. The Qt(cutie)-based GUI control panel for the JACK Audio Connection Kit service has come of age. You can grab it right away from the "official" home site: http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net Release notes as taken straight from the change-log: - Connections widget views are now properly refreshed after renaming client/ports (aliases). - Disabled system tray and ALSA sequencer support on configure time, whenever building for MacOSX as default. - Fixed the major issues with selecting an audio interface on Mac OSX; the button the right of the interface combo is now much better looking than it was before; input/output channel counts are also updated automatically now (thanks to Jesse Chappell for the patch). - Prevent the setting of the coreaudio device id on the jackd command line (-n) whenever the default interface is being selected. - The connections and patchbay windows are now allowed to have a wider connection lines frame panel; splitter width sizes are now persistent across application sessions (thanks to Filipe Tom?s for the hint). - Activation toggling feedback on the patchbay widget has been fixed; additionally and as found convenient, the most recently used patchbay definitions can now be loaded immediately by selecting from a drop-down list widget, which replaces the old static patchbay name status text, and adds a lil'icon too :) - All widget captions changed to include proper application title prefix. - Attempt to bring those aging autoconf templates to date; sample SPEC file for RPM build is now being included and generated at configure time. - The current selected device is now shown with a checkmark on the device selection menu(s), while on the settings dialog. - Set to use QApplication::setMainWidget() instead of registering the traditional lastWindowClosed() signal to quit() slot, just to let the -geometry command line argument have some effect on X11. Enjoy, -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Nov 19 13:54:51 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Nov 19 14:01:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <200511191225.43143.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <200511182349.10104.ce@christeck.de> <567aa5f60511181608o4758c53fge7d53c110aaa0c52@mail.gmail.com> <200511191225.43143.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1132426492.6874.65.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2005-11-19 at 12:25 +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > > I also have edited /etc/security/limits.conf as found on the web. > > > It now contains something like > > > > > > @audio - rt_priority 95 > > > @audio - nice -10 > > > @audio - memlock 300000 > > > > > > but to be honest I have no clue which app read or use this. > > > > PAM. > > Thanks a lot. > > I always denied to get familiar with PAM, but it looks like there's no > way around it ;-) . There is, just ignore all this and use the realtime LSM until the distros get it sorted out. It's insane to expect normal users to modify /etc/security/limits.conf and understand PAM. Lee From ce at christeck.de Sat Nov 19 15:01:41 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Nov 19 15:01:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <1132426492.6874.65.camel@mindpipe> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <200511191225.43143.ce@christeck.de> <1132426492.6874.65.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200511192101.41582.ce@christeck.de> > There is, just ignore all this and use the realtime LSM until the > distros get it sorted out. ?It's insane to expect normal users to > modify /etc/security/limits.conf and understand PAM. OK, I have the RT-LSM installed, but I'd like to improve the latency of my system. Any hints where to start tweaking the system? Unfortunately, the patches of ingo produce a kernel which doesn't boot on my machine, regardless that I codpied the .config from the vanilla 2.6.14.2. I thought it needs tweaking PAM, but as I understand you correctly, PAM only deals with permissions which I already achieved via RT-LSM. I set HZ_1000 [=y] and (X) Preemptible Kernel (Low-Latency Desktop) in my kernel config, but I "only" get latencies around 16 msecs and still some glitches from time to time. Are there further tricks on a standard kernel I could try to improve latency? Thanks & best regards ce From pdman at aproximation.org Sat Nov 19 18:19:33 2005 From: pdman at aproximation.org (thewade) Date: Sat Nov 19 18:19:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio Message-ID: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> Hello pd and lau lists, I am having trouble figuring out how to actually change the irq's of specific devices. I read the ardour thread pointed to by http://puredata.info/community/pdwiki/Optimize and the linux hardware stability guide (http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-hw2.html), and I now know how to find the current IRQ's used on my machine, and I also know what they SHOULD be, but I still do not know how to actually change them. My BIOS only allows me to disable my touchpad, parellel port (disabled) and IR port (disabled). My goals with this project are to have a faster audio machine, and hopefully to not have to disable acpi in order to run linux. I am not sure of the motherboard in this laptop, and the laptop distributor will not return my emails. (If someone can help me to figure that out I would be grateful! The host bridge is an SiS 755 - is that the motherboard or just the IDE controller?) >From the ardour thread (the Mark Knecht part) > Here"s the order of interrupt priority on a non-APIC machine: > > 0, 1, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 > > 0 is the highest priority > 7 is the lowest priority my irq's: cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 15819314 XT-PIC timer 1: 15630 XT-PIC i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 3: 0 XT-PIC ohci_hcd:usb3 4: 0 XT-PIC ohci_hcd:usb2 5: 3769675 XT-PIC ehci_hcd:usb1, yenta, yenta, hdsp, ohci1394, eth0 8: 1 XT-PIC rtc 10: 13339 XT-PIC SiS SI7012, SiS SI7013 Modem 12: 9093 XT-PIC i8042 14: 39815 XT-PIC ide0 15: 141222 XT-PIC ide1 NMI: 0 ERR: 1 What I would like to have: cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 15819314 XT-PIC timer 1: 15630 XT-PIC i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 3: 0 XT-PIC ohci_hcd:usb3 4: 0 XT-PIC ohci_hcd:usb2 5: 3769675 XT-PIC ehci_hcd:usb1 7: ??? XT-PIC eth0 8: 1 XT-PIC rtc 9: ??? XT-PIC ohci1394 10: ??? XT-PIC yenta, yenta, hdsp (I think this is both the cardbus and the multiface?) 11: 13339 XT-PIC SiS SI7012 12: 9093 XT-PIC i8042 13: ??? XT-PIC SiS SI7013 Modem 14: 39815 XT-PIC ide0 15: 141222 XT-PIC ide1 NMI: 0 ERR: 1 The acpi problem is that the system hangs (with acpi on) when fedora tried to activate eth0. Thank you for your help? I would open my laptop but I doubt that there is much I can do in there. Probably not a whole lot of shuffling I can do in a laptop. -thewade From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sat Nov 19 19:02:42 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sat Nov 19 19:02:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <200511192101.41582.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <200511191225.43143.ce@christeck.de> <1132426492.6874.65.camel@mindpipe> <200511192101.41582.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <437FBD22.60202@poeticstudios.com> I can get 11ms without issues or 5ms (sometimes even less when the setup is simple) with this card. But on some distros I had to disable my ethernet adapter. Are you sure you don't have some heavy process or server running? Also, I load the realtime module with the parameter any=1. I know this could be less stable, but its worth if you need to record your music without interruptions and with a low latency. cesare p.s. Please guys help me with my UA-20. :-( Christoph Eckert wrote: >>There is, just ignore all this and use the realtime LSM until the >>distros get it sorted out. It's insane to expect normal users to >>modify /etc/security/limits.conf and understand PAM. >> >> > >OK, I have the RT-LSM installed, but I'd like to improve the latency of >my system. Any hints where to start tweaking the system? > >Unfortunately, the patches of ingo produce a kernel which doesn't boot >on my machine, regardless that I codpied the .config from the vanilla >2.6.14.2. > >I thought it needs tweaking PAM, but as I understand you correctly, PAM >only deals with permissions which I already achieved via RT-LSM. > >I set >HZ_1000 [=y] >and >(X) Preemptible Kernel (Low-Latency Desktop) > >in my kernel config, but I "only" get latencies around 16 msecs and >still some glitches from time to time. > >Are there further tricks on a standard kernel I could try to improve >latency? > > >Thanks & best regards > > > ce > > > > > From ce at christeck.de Sat Nov 19 19:22:22 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Nov 19 19:21:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <437FBD22.60202@poeticstudios.com> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <200511192101.41582.ce@christeck.de> <437FBD22.60202@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <200511200122.22272.ce@christeck.de> Hi, > I can get 11ms without issues or 5ms (sometimes even less when the > setup is simple) with this card. But on some distros I had to disable > my ethernet adapter. Are you sure you don't have some heavy process > or server running? No server or process is running, except for KDE ;-) . It is likely that my interrupts cause problems. Thanks to the post of "thewade" I found on my machine: cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 1320101 XT-PIC timer 1: 3169 XT-PIC i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 8: 2 XT-PIC rtc 11: 1311823 XT-PIC Intel 82801CA-ICH3, Intel 82801CA-ICH3 Modem, uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2,eth0, yenta, yenta, ohci1394, nvidia 12: 114 XT-PIC i8042 14: 51597 XT-PIC ide0 NMI: 0 LOC: 0 ERR: 0 MIS: 0 It seems that interrupt 11 is a bit overcrowded, but I have no clue how to put the USB bus to another IRQ. > Also, I load the realtime module with the parameter any=1. I know > this could be less stable, but its worth if you need to record your > music without interruptions and with a low latency. If I understood correctly, the realtime module does nothing else than grant non-root-users access to realtime priorities. It doesn't change any further latency settigns on your machine. > p.s. Please guys help me with my UA-20. :-( I'm sorry, but I really have no knowledge to help you on this issue. Best regards ce ?Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen? (Helmut Schmidt) From ce at christeck.de Sat Nov 19 19:25:26 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Nov 19 19:24:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> Message-ID: <200511200125.26405.ce@christeck.de> > my irq's: > > cat /proc/interrupts > ? ? ? ? ? ?CPU0 ? ? ? > ? 0: ? 15819314 ? ? ? ? ?XT-PIC ?timer > ? 1: ? ? ?15630 ? ? ? ? ?XT-PIC ?i8042 > ? 2: ? ? ? ? ?0 ? ? ? ? ?XT-PIC ?cascade > ? 3: ? ? ? ? ?0 ? ? ? ? ?XT-PIC ?ohci_hcd:usb3 > ? 4: ? ? ? ? ?0 ? ? ? ? ?XT-PIC ?ohci_hcd:usb2 > ? 5: ? ?3769675 ? ? ? ? ?XT-PIC ?ehci_hcd:usb1, yenta, yenta, hdsp, > ohci1394, eth0 8: ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ?XT-PIC ?rtc > ?10: ? ? ?13339 ? ? ? ? ?XT-PIC ?SiS SI7012, SiS SI7013 Modem > ?12: ? ? ? 9093 ? ? ? ? ?XT-PIC ?i8042 > ?14: ? ? ?39815 ? ? ? ? ?XT-PIC ?ide0 > ?15: ? ? 141222 ? ? ? ? ?XT-PIC ?ide1 > NMI: ? ? ? ? ?0 > ERR: ? ? ? ? ?1 interesting. I'm also interested in decreasing latencies for my USB cards, and my interrupts read as follows: 0: 1620247 XT-PIC timer 1: 4669 XT-PIC i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 8: 2 XT-PIC rtc 11: 1636542 XT-PIC Intel 82801CA-ICH3, Intel 82801CA-ICH3 Modem, uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2,eth0, yenta, yenta, ohci1394, nvidia 12: 114 XT-PIC i8042 14: 52911 XT-PIC ide0 NMI: 0 LOC: 0 ERR: 0 MIS: 0 11 really seems to be overcrowded, so I wonder if I could use another IRQ for the USB bus. Unfortunately it's a notebook, so changing card slots isn't possible. Best regards ce From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Nov 19 19:18:13 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Nov 19 19:30:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> Message-ID: <1132445893.6874.103.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2005-11-19 at 15:19 -0800, thewade wrote: > Hello pd and lau lists, > > I am having trouble figuring out how to actually change the irq's of specific devices. You are wasting your time. Those IRQ settings are hard wired. Even if this was possible there's no point - there's no meaningful relationship between which IRQ your device is on and the performance. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Nov 19 19:33:21 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Nov 19 19:33:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <200511200125.26405.ce@christeck.de> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> <200511200125.26405.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1132446802.6874.106.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 01:25 +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > 11: 1636542 XT-PIC Intel 82801CA-ICH3, Intel 82801CA-ICH3 > Modem, uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2,eth0, yenta, yenta, ohci1394, > nvidia You have your USB audio device on the same interrupt as the binary only nvidia driver?!? You won't get a lot of help from the open source community if you insist on loading proprietary kernel modules. The FIRST thing you should do if you're trying to optimize your system is don't load any binary only kernel modules!!! Lee From ix at replic.net Sat Nov 19 20:48:22 2005 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Sat Nov 19 20:14:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <1132446802.6874.106.camel@mindpipe> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> <200511200125.26405.ce@christeck.de> <1132446802.6874.106.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20051120014822.GA26999@replic.net> On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 01:25 +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > 11: 1636542 XT-PIC Intel 82801CA-ICH3, Intel 82801CA-ICH3 > > Modem, uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2,eth0, yenta, yenta, ohci1394, > > nvidia > > You have your USB audio device on the same interrupt as the binary only > nvidia driver?!? > > You won't get a lot of help from the open source community if you insist > on loading proprietary kernel modules. The FIRST thing you should do if > you're trying to optimize your system is don't load any binary only > kernel modules!!! regardless of the license-nazi issues of his kernel modules, all those things on IRQ 11 looks questionable. i run the nvidia binary driver but it gets its own IRQ, same as the ATI fglrx...these are both on amd64 motherboards... on my ~2001 ASUS athlon32 mobo, with win32, everything _would_ end up on a single IRQ, unless disabling ACPI, in which case they would be nicely distributed. no idea what this all means, but someone else agrees: http://service.steinberg.de/webdoc_ps_int.nsf/show/acpi_vs_audio_performance_en > > Lee From pete.leigh at gmail.com Sat Nov 19 20:16:45 2005 From: pete.leigh at gmail.com (Pete Leigh) Date: Sat Nov 19 20:16:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <200511200122.22272.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <200511192101.41582.ce@christeck.de> <437FBD22.60202@poeticstudios.com> <200511200122.22272.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: On 20/11/05, Christoph Eckert wrote: > 11: 1311823 XT-PIC Intel 82801CA-ICH3, Intel 82801CA-ICH3 > Modem, uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2,eth0, yenta, yenta, ohci1394, > nvidia > It seems that interrupt 11 is a bit overcrowded, but I have no clue how > to put the USB bus to another IRQ. In a post at http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2005/03/0266.html someone else with a UA-25 suggests using acpi_irq_balance kernel boot parameter He was also sufferning stability problems, which, if I read and remembered correctly, were fixed by unloading his NIC module... - Pete. From TimBlechmann at gmx.net Sat Nov 19 21:28:26 2005 From: TimBlechmann at gmx.net (Tim Blechmann) Date: Sat Nov 19 20:27:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <1132446802.6874.106.camel@mindpipe> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> <200511200125.26405.ce@christeck.de> <1132446802.6874.106.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20051120022826.29b7477d@laptop> > You won't get a lot of help from the open source community if you > insist on loading proprietary kernel modules. The FIRST thing you > should do if you're trying to optimize your system is don't load any > binary only kernel modules!!! well, better a working closed-source driver, than no driver at all.. t -- mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de ICQ: 96771783 http://www.mokabar.tk latest mp3: kMW.mp3 http://mattin.org/mp3.html latest cd: Goh Lee Kwang & Tim Blechmann: Drone http://www.geocities.com/gohleekwangtimblechmannduo/ After one look at this planet any visitor from outer space would say "I want to see the manager." William S. Burroughs From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sat Nov 19 20:44:02 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sat Nov 19 20:44:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <1132445893.6874.103.camel@mindpipe> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> <1132445893.6874.103.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20051120024402.28cd8f34@mango.fruits.de> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:18:13 -0500 Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2005-11-19 at 15:19 -0800, thewade wrote: > > Hello pd and lau lists, > > > > I am having trouble figuring out how to actually change the irq's of specific devices. > > You are wasting your time. Those IRQ settings are hard wired. Even if > this was possible there's no point - there's no meaningful relationship > between which IRQ your device is on and the performance. I beg to differ. Especially with RT setups, it can make very much sense when the audio device does have an irq for itself. On a -rt system this opens the possibility of raising the soundcard's irq handler priority to a value higher than the prios of all other irq handlers (i.e. 90). Also rising i.e. jackd's prio higher (70) than the other irq handlers (around 50) will give rocksolid performance. Compiling a kernel while jack is running? No problem. Heavy network load? No problem. This would not work quite as nice with several devices sharing the soundcard irq. I wonder how non -rt systems (or not properly setup -rt systems) hold up to loads like this.. Have fun, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sat Nov 19 20:55:50 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sat Nov 19 20:55:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <20051120022826.29b7477d@laptop> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> <200511200125.26405.ce@christeck.de> <1132446802.6874.106.camel@mindpipe> <20051120022826.29b7477d@laptop> Message-ID: <437FD7A6.3000204@poeticstudios.com> Tim Blechmann wrote: >>You won't get a lot of help from the open source community if you >>insist on loading proprietary kernel modules. The FIRST thing you >>should do if you're trying to optimize your system is don't load any >>binary only kernel modules!!! >> >> > >well, better a working closed-source driver, than no driver at all.. > >t > > > I use the nvidia driver too. Please try to disable your NIC, as someone else also suggested. And yes I forgot to say I had to disable ACPI, as carmen said. c. From pete.leigh at gmail.com Sat Nov 19 21:04:21 2005 From: pete.leigh at gmail.com (Pete Leigh) Date: Sat Nov 19 21:04:23 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> Message-ID: On 19/11/05, thewade wrote: > My goals with this project are to have a faster audio machine, and hopefully to not have to > disable acpi in order to run linux. I am not sure of the motherboard in this laptop, You could try a look at http://www.motherboards.org/articles/tech-planations/13_1.html but laptop m/bs are sometimes shrouded in mystery and impossible to identify.. > The acpi problem is that the system hangs (with acpi on) when fedora tried to activate eth0. Perhaps it would be best to focus on solving your eth0 problem, with different kernel versions, distro support forums, and so on, in order to get acpi working? Are you running straight fedora or ccrma? If ccrma, I've read there's a package called rtirq which seems to have something to do with re-prioritizing interrupts (in software) though I don't know the details. I think you'd need to be running the planet ccrma kernel (or equivalent) for it to work.. > I would open my laptop but I doubt that there is much I can do in there. Probably not > a whole lot of shuffling I can do in a laptop. > -thewade I think you're right there! - Pete. > > From pdman at aproximation.org Sun Nov 20 02:31:50 2005 From: pdman at aproximation.org (thewade) Date: Sun Nov 20 02:32:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio Message-ID: <43802666.3040603@aproximation.org> > Are you running straight fedora or ccrma? Fedora Core 4 with the standard 2.6.14.2 kernel with the LSM module. > If ccrma, I've read there's a package > called rtirq which seems to have something to do with re-prioritizing interrupts > (in software) though I don't know the details. I think you'd need to be running > the planet ccrma kernel (or equivalent) for it to work.. A (in no way) comprehensive search yields that rtirq is a patch, possibly only to the 2.4 kernel. I am going a different route: I would like to update my BIOS first and see if I get more control over the BIOS that way. As of now I have IDE control and the option to turn off three things and that is it. I THINK my motherboard chipset is SiS755 and I found the sis755MAX.bin file so that SHOULD work... On boot my BIOS ID# is 63-0100-000001-00101111-071504-SiS755-258KA000-Y2KC, and though I cannot find the exact match for that number there is the SiS755 portion which corresponds with the chipset and the host controller for my machine. Weither or not chipset and host controler are the same as motherboard - who knows... And to that end I have a question: My laptop has no floppy drive: is there a way to boot DOS from CD without any memory management drivers loaded so that I can flash my BIOS? I have looked into FreeDOS, and sent one of their developers an email, but just to cover my bases has anyone here solved such a problem before (and if so, how please)? If I cannot do this I might find where my modem is enabled or where drivers are built for it in the kernel and rebuild the kernel without thoes drivers. I may have been dreaming but I seem to remember a previous kernel running on this machine without having to disable acpi when the modem was not loaded. Thanks again for the help! Lee, we could put this despute to rest if you have a machine with that latency timer module Takashi Iwai (I think) wrote. You could run the kernel latency tests with shared IRQ's and without (somehow?) It seems to me like IRQ reordering could help but I have only one semester studying the x86 architecture under my belt. Anyway, if Intel and Microsoft cam up with something it has to be buggy, right? ;) -thewade From pgclarke at beeb.net Sun Nov 20 03:17:17 2005 From: pgclarke at beeb.net (Peter Clarke) Date: Sun Nov 20 03:18:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems with Novation Speedio Message-ID: <200511201617.17733.pgclarke@beeb.net> Hi all, I would like to use my Novation Speedio with Jack. The Speedio is a USB audio/MIDI interface - sounds like it's similar to the Edirol UA-25 recently discussed here. The MIDI side works fine, but I'm having problems with the audio. The sound is terrible, both on playback and record. The music plays too slowly, at too low pitch, and with lots of crackles. I've tried just about every combination of settings for Jack, but it hasn't helped. I've tried Rosegarden and XMMS - the sound is just the same. The Speedio hardware works fine with Win***s. I also have a cheap CM8738-based soundcard, and that works just fine with Jack. My system is Gentoo 2.6.13 on a Pentium 4 PC. I've just updated to Jack 0.100.0 (from the 0.99 currently 'approved' by Gentoo), but that didn't help. Kernel support for OSS is turned off. I have these modules loaded: snd_seq_midi; sis900 (for my Ethernet card); realtime; snd_usb_audio; snd_usb_lib; ohci_hcd; snd_cmipci (for my CMI8738 soundcard); snd_opl3_lib; snd_hwdep; snd_mpu401_uart; snd_rawmidi; ltserial, ltmodem (for my Winmodem). I'm guessing it's an issue with the snd-usb-audio driver. Any ideas? Could it be a conflict with aRts? Does anyone have the Speedio working properly on a Linux box? Peter Clarke From ce at christeck.de Sun Nov 20 04:03:18 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Nov 20 04:02:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems with Novation Speedio In-Reply-To: <200511201617.17733.pgclarke@beeb.net> References: <200511201617.17733.pgclarke@beeb.net> Message-ID: <200511201003.19193.ce@christeck.de> > The sound is terrible, both on playback and record. Is the sound OK if you play an ogg file directly to the device, without having xmms running? e.g. open xmms, choose the device as ALSA device in the options menu. Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Sun Nov 20 04:13:44 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Nov 20 04:13:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <1132446802.6874.106.camel@mindpipe> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> <200511200125.26405.ce@christeck.de> <1132446802.6874.106.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200511201013.44469.ce@christeck.de> > You won't get a lot of help from the open source community if you > insist on loading proprietary kernel modules. ?The FIRST thing you > should do if you're trying to optimize your system is don't load any > binary only kernel modules!!! To be honest, I do not really need the capabilities of the binary driver, but using the nv driver instead causes the fonts to be very huge on my desktop and less colour depth so watching imgaes and gradients isn't as joyful as it can be. The problem on notebooks is that you have no choice in the hardware components :( . But anyway, it's a good hint and I'll try out if latency decreases when switching the nvidia driver off as well as the NIC. Best regards ce From pete.leigh at gmail.com Sun Nov 20 04:46:58 2005 From: pete.leigh at gmail.com (Pete Leigh) Date: Sun Nov 20 04:47:02 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <43802666.3040603@aproximation.org> References: <43802666.3040603@aproximation.org> Message-ID: On 20/11/05, thewade wrote: > A (in no way) comprehensive search yields that rtirq is a patch, possibly only to > the 2.4 kernel. >From what I read, ccrma has a 2.6 kernel patched for realtime low latency. This patch makes the kernel's interrupt handlers into separate visible threads, which can then be given different scheduling priorities. rtirq is a script which automates interrupt handler prioritization optimised for audio use. Basically, this does in software what you want to do in hardware, it seems. (From reading http://lac.zkm.de/2005/papers/fernando_lopez_lezcano.pdf - I've only skimmed the surface of this, I'm sure there are people here far more knowledgable than I am on the subject! ;-) > 63-0100-000001-00101111-071504-SiS755-258KA000-Y2KC, Uniwill 258ka0 (aka fujitsu-siemens Amilo A 1630, and others) ? > If I cannot do this I might find where my modem is enabled or where > drivers are built for it in the kernel and rebuild the kernel without thoes > drivers. My own preference would be kernel tinkering over bios tinkering, *by far* because it's far safer - especially when the exact bios to use is in doubt (if indeed there is one with the capabilities you want). Loading the wrong bios can be a non-recoverable error! - Pete. From pete.leigh at gmail.com Sun Nov 20 05:13:16 2005 From: pete.leigh at gmail.com (Pete Leigh) Date: Sun Nov 20 05:13:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: References: <43802666.3040603@aproximation.org> Message-ID: On 20/11/05, Pete Leigh wrote: > > 63-0100-000001-00101111-071504-SiS755-258KA000-Y2KC, > > Uniwill 258ka0 (aka fujitsu-siemens Amilo A 1630, and others) ? Oops, no! That has a radeon 9700, not nvidia. The "258KA0" in the id string is striking, though. Strange! - Pete. From ce at christeck.de Sun Nov 20 06:16:00 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Nov 20 06:15:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <200511200125.26405.ce@christeck.de> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> <200511200125.26405.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200511201216.00230.ce@christeck.de> > 11: ? ?1636542 ? ? ? ? ?XT-PIC ?Intel 82801CA-ICH3, Intel > 82801CA-ICH3 Modem, uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2,eth0, yenta, yenta, > ohci1394, Thanks a lot for all IRQ hints. Well, I disabled the nvidia driver and ensured ALSA does not load the module for the internal AC '97 chip. IRQ11 now looks as 11: 2428122 XT-PIC uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2, eth0, yenta, yenta, ohci1394 Disabling the NIC is a no no, I really do not want to reboot for writing an email ;-) . Result: Better latency, so I can recommend to avoid IRQ sharing. I can now run JACKD with -p128- This still gives some glitches every now and then, *but* at -p256 as I used before the glitches seem to be gone. I wonder if I could force the USB bus to another IRQ or if I could move eth0 and yenta to another IRQ. Best regards ce From conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de Sun Nov 20 07:23:19 2005 From: conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de (conrad =?iso-8859-1?q?berh=F6rster?=) Date: Sun Nov 20 07:55:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] networking jack Message-ID: <200511201323.19350.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Hello all, did anyone know, if there is a possibility to run jack in the network. I don't mean as a streaming client, but as sync server. the scenario should be, standing in a group with 2 or 3 computers making music together in a sync, like MIDI sequencers can do. From rncbc at rncbc.org Sun Nov 20 08:16:12 2005 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Sun Nov 20 08:14:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <43802666.3040603@aproximation.org> References: <43802666.3040603@aproximation.org> Message-ID: <4380771C.4030804@rncbc.org> thewade wrote: > >> If ccrma, I've read there's a package called rtirq which seems to have >> something to do with re-prioritizing interrupts (in software) though >> I don't know the details. I think you'd need to be running the planet >> ccrma kernel (or equivalent) for it to work.. > > A (in no way) comprehensive search yields that rtirq is a patch, > possibly only to the 2.4 kernel. > Wrong. The rtirq package is just a simple SysV script, which is targeted to prioritize the soft-IRQ handlers on a preempt-realtime enabled kernel (i.e. Ingo Molnar's 2.6.x-rt patches). It is specially suited to PREEMPT_RT kernels, but it can be of use on PREEMPT_DESKTOP configured ones. Incidentally I'm the author of the rtirq thingie, which you can find the tarball attached (rtirq-20050914.tar.gz). There's no documentation, you have to use the source, sorry. As it was specially crafted for a RPM based distro (e.g. SUSE, Mandriva, Fedora) and if you can't have use of the given rtirq.spec, which is suited for rpmbuild, installations instructions are the ones as for a LSB system, as root: # cp rtirq.sh /etc/init.d/rtirq # chmod 0755 /etc/init.d/rtirq # cp rtirq.conf /etc/sysconfig/rtirq # chmod 0644 /etc/sysconfig/rtirq And then, depending on your distro, enable it as a proper init script (e.g. use something like `/sbin/chkconfig --add rtirq`). Once installed just do either of the following: # /etc/init.d/rtirq start # /etc/init.d/rtirq stop # /etc/init.d/rtirq status You'll probably get over the semantics of all these ;) Of course, you can change the default configuration that you may find in /etc/sysconfig/rtirq . Enjoy. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: rtirq-20050914.tar.gz Type: application/x-gunzip Size: 3329 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051120/e171268a/rtirq-20050914.tar.bin From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Sun Nov 20 10:01:06 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (Wales) Date: Sun Nov 20 10:01:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack rack server Message-ID: <43808FB2.1040109@walescomputers.co.uk> Hi Conrad If you find thhhis out could you let me know, this would be very powerful and great for teaching people sound/music composition Cheers Bob -- Bob - bearmusic - BluesLSD http://www.officialmp3.com/music/bands/92/ From clemens at ladisch.de Sun Nov 20 10:14:51 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Sun Nov 20 10:14:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems with Novation Speedio In-Reply-To: <200511201617.17733.pgclarke@beeb.net> References: <200511201617.17733.pgclarke@beeb.net> Message-ID: <1132499691.438092eb17334@webmail.uni-halle.de> Peter Clarke wrote: > I would like to use my Novation Speedio with Jack. The > Speedio is a USB audio/MIDI interface - sounds like it's > similar to the Edirol UA-25 recently discussed here. > > The MIDI side works fine, but I'm having problems with the > audio. The sound is terrible, both on playback and record. > The music plays too slowly, at too low pitch, and with lots > of crackles. Does "aplay something.wav" work? What are the contents of /proc/asound/cardX/stream0? Regards, Clemens From torbenh at gmx.de Sun Nov 20 10:50:52 2005 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Sun Nov 20 10:31:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xfst (no sound) In-Reply-To: <437E8908.2000105@adelphia.net> References: <437C31F9.4050705@adelphia.net> <20051117211849.GA4736@mobilat> <437C2130.5050102@adelphia.net> <20051118175908.GB4337@mobilat> <437E8908.2000105@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20051120155052.GA29669@mobilat> On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 09:08:08PM -0500, Brian Sturk wrote: > torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 01:20:32AM -0500, Brian Sturk wrote: > > > > try vkeybd. its a virtual midi keyboard. > > > > try some vst with visual feedback to notes. like albino2 or somthing. > > the albino has a light which flashes when it receives midi data. > > Hi again, > > Excellent! I have it working. Quite impressive. Thanks so much for your > help! > Now on to figuring out the sequencers. seq24 works ok for me... -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From ce at christeck.de Sun Nov 20 10:41:41 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Nov 20 10:41:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems with Novation Speedio In-Reply-To: <200511201003.19193.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511201617.17733.pgclarke@beeb.net> <200511201003.19193.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200511201641.41473.ce@christeck.de> > Is the sound OK if you play an ogg file directly to the device, > without having xmms running? ^^^^ I meant JACK, of course. Sorry. Best regards ce From reubenf at sonic.net Sun Nov 20 11:08:33 2005 From: reubenf at sonic.net (reuben) Date: Sun Nov 20 11:08:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] delta 44 con'd....getting rid of xruns?? Message-ID: <43809F81.1010706@sonic.net> Hello, I couldn't get the card to work using straight ALSA output from xmms, but firing up Jack with qjackctl got everything working. However, I am getting xruns (/glitches) when I do things as simple as switching windows...the output from qjackctl follows at end. What config do I need to adjust? Thanks 08:04:22.067 Audio connection change. 08:04:22.092 Audio connection graph change. **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 13.902 msecs **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 8.296 msecs 08:04:24.080 XRUN callback (2 skipped). 08:04:25.310 Audio connection graph change. 08:04:25.490 Audio connection change. **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 3.672 msecs **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 12.041 msecs 08:05:36.487 XRUN callback (2 skipped). **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 13.674 msecs **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.926 msecs 08:05:38.501 XRUN callback (2 skipped). **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 4.533 msecs 08:05:44.537 XRUN callback (1 skipped). **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.432 msecs **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.636 msecs 08:05:50.581 XRUN callback (2 skipped). **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 3.746 msecs 08:05:52.615 XRUN callback (1 skipped). From ce at christeck.de Sun Nov 20 11:37:03 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Nov 20 11:36:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <4380771C.4030804@rncbc.org> References: <43802666.3040603@aproximation.org> <4380771C.4030804@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <200511201737.03380.ce@christeck.de> > And then, depending on your distro, enable it as a proper init script > (e.g. use something like `/sbin/chkconfig --add rtirq`). Once > installed just do either of the following: > > # /etc/init.d/rtirq start > # /etc/init.d/rtirq stop > # /etc/init.d/rtirq status are there any info which project/package the binary chrt belongs to? I emerged dchroot as well as chroot_safe, but none of them contain the desired binary. Or is it simply called anything else? Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Sun Nov 20 11:46:47 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Nov 20 11:46:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <4380771C.4030804@rncbc.org> References: <43802666.3040603@aproximation.org> <4380771C.4030804@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <200511201746.47388.ce@christeck.de> Argh, > # /etc/init.d/rtirq start > # /etc/init.d/rtirq stop > # /etc/init.d/rtirq status sorry for my last post, just found schedutils. Sorry for the traffic. Best regards ce From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Nov 20 03:53:19 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Nov 20 11:58:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <20051120022826.29b7477d@laptop> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> <200511200125.26405.ce@christeck.de> <1132446802.6874.106.camel@mindpipe> <20051120022826.29b7477d@laptop> Message-ID: <1132476800.6874.120.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 02:28 +0000, Tim Blechmann wrote: > > You won't get a lot of help from the open source community if you > > insist on loading proprietary kernel modules. The FIRST thing you > > should do if you're trying to optimize your system is don't load any > > binary only kernel modules!!! > > well, better a working closed-source driver, than no driver at all.. The nvidia driver is only necessary for hardware accelerated 3D which doesn't have much use on an audio box. Lee From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Nov 20 12:28:55 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Nov 20 12:14:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <1132476800.6874.120.camel@mindpipe> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> <200511200125.26405.ce@christeck.de> <1132446802.6874.106.camel@mindpipe> <20051120022826.29b7477d@laptop> <1132476800.6874.120.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4380B257.3050503@woh.rr.com> Lee Revell wrote: >On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 02:28 +0000, Tim Blechmann wrote: > > >>>You won't get a lot of help from the open source community if you >>>insist on loading proprietary kernel modules. The FIRST thing you >>>should do if you're trying to optimize your system is don't load any >>>binary only kernel modules!!! >>> >>> >>well, better a working closed-source driver, than no driver at all.. >> >> > >The nvidia driver is only necessary for hardware accelerated 3D which >doesn't have much use on an audio box. > > > Unless you're using Pd + GEM, of course. Or if you happen to like the OpenGL spectral display in Snd. Windows users would point out CsoundAV as well. Best, dp From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Nov 20 11:58:44 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Nov 20 12:37:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <200511201216.00230.ce@christeck.de> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> <200511200125.26405.ce@christeck.de> <200511201216.00230.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1132505924.6874.126.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 12:16 +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > I wonder if I could force the USB bus to another IRQ or if I could > move eth0 and yenta to another IRQ. This is the part that I am afraid is hard wired, at least on most laptops. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Nov 20 13:04:41 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Nov 20 13:08:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <4380B257.3050503@woh.rr.com> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> <200511200125.26405.ce@christeck.de> <1132446802.6874.106.camel@mindpipe> <20051120022826.29b7477d@laptop> <1132476800.6874.120.camel@mindpipe> <4380B257.3050503@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1132509881.6874.141.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 12:28 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > >On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 02:28 +0000, Tim Blechmann wrote: > > > > > >>>You won't get a lot of help from the open source community if you > >>>insist on loading proprietary kernel modules. The FIRST thing you > >>>should do if you're trying to optimize your system is don't load any > >>>binary only kernel modules!!! > >>> > >>> > >>well, better a working closed-source driver, than no driver at all.. > >> > >> > > > >The nvidia driver is only necessary for hardware accelerated 3D which > >doesn't have much use on an audio box. > > > > > > > Unless you're using Pd + GEM, of course. > > Or if you happen to like the OpenGL spectral display in Snd. > > Windows users would point out CsoundAV as well. As long as you realize that you're trading those bells and whistles for a completely undebuggable setup, feel free. It's not "license Nazism" as someone else suggested - we have NO IDEA what the nvidia driver is doing thus we CANNOT help you with any kernel problem at all. Lee From TimBlechmann at gmx.net Sun Nov 20 15:10:01 2005 From: TimBlechmann at gmx.net (Tim Blechmann) Date: Sun Nov 20 14:08:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <1132476800.6874.120.camel@mindpipe> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> <200511200125.26405.ce@christeck.de> <1132446802.6874.106.camel@mindpipe> <20051120022826.29b7477d@laptop> <1132476800.6874.120.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20051120201001.5503b1fa@laptop> > The nvidia driver is only necessary for hardware accelerated 3D which > doesn't have much use on an audio box. 1. there are programs that do audio and video at the same time / that use the graphics acceleration to display the gui 2. the open-source nvidia driver didn't work for more than 3 minutes, but when doing audio, i need to see, what i'm doing ... cheers ... tim -- mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de ICQ: 96771783 http://www.mokabar.tk latest mp3: kMW.mp3 http://mattin.org/mp3.html latest cd: Goh Lee Kwang & Tim Blechmann: Drone http://www.geocities.com/gohleekwangtimblechmannduo/ After one look at this planet any visitor from outer space would say "I want to see the manager." William S. Burroughs From pete.leigh at gmail.com Sun Nov 20 14:56:56 2005 From: pete.leigh at gmail.com (Pete Leigh) Date: Sun Nov 20 14:57:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <1132509881.6874.141.camel@mindpipe> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> <200511200125.26405.ce@christeck.de> <1132446802.6874.106.camel@mindpipe> <20051120022826.29b7477d@laptop> <1132476800.6874.120.camel@mindpipe> <4380B257.3050503@woh.rr.com> <1132509881.6874.141.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 20/11/05, Lee Revell wrote: > [...] a completely undebuggable setup [...] > we have NO IDEA what the nvidia driver is > doing thus we CANNOT help you with any kernel problem at all. Bleh :-) All that's necessary is to verify the same problem exists without the closed driver loaded, then go back to using it and debug away, isn't it? Then, you may not know what the closed driver is doing, but you do know what it's not doing - ie. causing the problem you're trying to debug. Additionally, since it's very likely that debugging of setups which make use of closed drivers has occured, and will continue to occur, often with success, it's far from true to say that such a setup is "completely undebuggable". Because, simply, in many cases the fault being debugged is just not due to the closed driver, which is working perfectly well, and according to the manufacturer's description. (For examples of this, look at the many instances on distro support lists of people debugging their installations of non-free drivers. glxgears, anyone? ;-) If you want to take an ethical stance of not helping anyone who uses closed drivers, that may be a defensible position. But it's no use pretending there are well-founded and absolute technical reasons for it -- it's an ethical choice, a thoroughgoing boycott if you like, not a technical necessity. It's true that the use of closed drivers brings with it an element of uncertainty, which may deter people from getting involved in solving a problem, but that doesn't make it "completely undebuggable". So it seems to me, anyway. - Pete. From ajlill at ajlc.waterloo.on.ca Sun Nov 20 15:10:26 2005 From: ajlill at ajlc.waterloo.on.ca (Tony Lill) Date: Sun Nov 20 15:10:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording AC-3 Message-ID: <200511202010.jAKKAQ9S011726@freevo.ajlc.waterloo.on.ca> Has anyone managed to record an AC-3 audio stream from an nforce4 mobo? It's got a coax spdif in, and it claims to have two capture devices: Linux-x86_64-2.6.14 $ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [CK804 ]: NFORCE - NVidia CK804 NVidia CK804 with ALC850 at 0xfebfd000, irq 16 Linux-x86_64-2.6.14 $ cat /proc/asound/devices 18: [0- 2]: digital audio playback 25: [0- 1]: digital audio capture 16: [0- 0]: digital audio playback 24: [0- 0]: digital audio capture 0: [0- 0]: ctl 33: : timer but using arecord -D hw:0,1 -f dat /dev/null gives an i/o error. 0,0 just gives silence, so I'm assuming that it's the mic in. This is with ALSA 1.0.8 and kernel 2.6.14 Is it even possible to do this? If not, has anyone done this with some other soundcard? On a somewhat related note, how do you use ecasignalview on these alsa devices (since you can't use a , in the filename). TIA -- Tony Lill, Tony.Lill@AJLC.Waterloo.ON.CA President, A. J. Lill Consultants fax/data (519) 650 3571 539 Grand Valley Dr., Cambridge, Ont. 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From x at branwelt.de Sun Nov 20 16:09:04 2005 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Sun Nov 20 16:09:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <20051120201001.5503b1fa@laptop> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> <200511200125.26405.ce@christeck.de> <1132446802.6874.106.camel@mindpipe> <20051120022826.29b7477d@laptop> <1132476800.6874.120.camel@mindpipe> <20051120201001.5503b1fa@laptop> Message-ID: <4380E5F0.4000806@branwelt.de> Tim Blechmann wrote: >>The nvidia driver is only necessary for hardware accelerated 3D which >>doesn't have much use on an audio box. >> >> > >1. there are programs that do audio and video at the same time / that >use the graphics acceleration to display the gui >2. the open-source nvidia driver didn't work for more than 3 minutes, >but when doing audio, i need to see, what i'm doing ... > >cheers ... tim > > Agree: Unfortunately the open-src nv driver has had a havyweight display bug with some programs (e.g. rosegarden) on my system Installing the closed-src nvidia driver was no fun, but now it does the job, and openGl stuff is a lot faster... btw: where would I disable acpi? In the bios or in the kernel-config? I have the UA-25 card too but also cannot get latencies lower than 16ms (according to qjackctl) (kernel 2.6.13, full rt-preemt, pam patched) regards, emanuel From ce at christeck.de Sun Nov 20 16:17:50 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Nov 20 16:17:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <20051120201001.5503b1fa@laptop> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> <1132476800.6874.120.camel@mindpipe> <20051120201001.5503b1fa@laptop> Message-ID: <200511202217.50657.ce@christeck.de> > 1. there are programs that do audio and video at the same time / that > use the graphics acceleration to display the gui there are occasions where I like the nvidia driver, maybe for twin view etc. > 2. the open-source nvidia driver didn't work for more than 3 minutes, > but when doing audio, i need to see, what i'm doing ... mine works for far more than three minutes ;-) . Lee always is *very* supportive and spends lots of time helping others. I think it's absolutely OK if he asks not to use binary modules. For sure there are various good reasons for not using the binary drivers. It's absolutely OK if he says "If you use the binary drivers don't expect too much help". Just to clarify: I for myself have used the nvidia driver for a long time :) . Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Sun Nov 20 16:22:10 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Nov 20 16:21:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <1132505924.6874.126.camel@mindpipe> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> <200511201216.00230.ce@christeck.de> <1132505924.6874.126.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200511202222.10891.ce@christeck.de> > > I wonder if I could force the USB bus to another IRQ or if I could > > move eth0 and yenta to another IRQ. > > This is the part that I am afraid is hard wired, at least on most > laptops. I can unload yenta and the module for the internal card which already enhances the behaviour of JACK. Additionally I installed the rtirq script of Rui Nuno Capela (thanks a lot BTW). But still I hope I can decrease latency on my system, but it's not urgent so many thanks for all hints I got from this list. I learned a lot and fixed some errors on my machine during this weekend. Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Sun Nov 20 16:27:00 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Nov 20 16:26:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <4380E5F0.4000806@branwelt.de> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> <20051120201001.5503b1fa@laptop> <4380E5F0.4000806@branwelt.de> Message-ID: <200511202227.00264.ce@christeck.de> > where would I disable acpi? In the bios or in the kernel-config? There's even the possibility to pass it to the kernel at boot time/via the boot manager, so you can experiment a bit without recompiling the kernel. On mine I find something like acpi=ht which I once set to make the machine powering off automatically after shutdown, but interestingly it doesn't on 2.6.14.2. I have to investigate further, but maybe it's a good starting point for your search too. Best regards ce From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Sun Nov 20 16:29:03 2005 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Sun Nov 20 16:29:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <200511201707.jAKH74sq024778@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200511201707.jAKH74sq024778@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Lee Revell: > On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 02:28 +0000, Tim Blechmann wrote: >>> You won't get a lot of help from the open source community if you >>> insist on loading proprietary kernel modules. The FIRST thing you >>> should do if you're trying to optimize your system is don't load any >>> binary only kernel modules!!! >> >> well, better a working closed-source driver, than no driver at all.. > > The nvidia driver is only necessary for hardware accelerated 3D which > doesn't have much use on an audio box. > Hm? Does the free driver finanally work with built-in gfx on nforce boards? -- From hans at fugal.net Sun Nov 20 16:45:58 2005 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Sun Nov 20 16:46:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midisport snd-usb-audio mysteries Message-ID: <20051120214558.GA29522@falcon.fugal.net> My M-Audio Radium 61 is on the fritz again. With the recent changes in udev, where udev replaces hotplug, I had to do some trickery to get the firmware to load. When it finally did, it dumped me into a problem I've seen many times before: the keyboard is recognized as existing by the ALSA sequencer, but there doesn't seem to be any midi data coming from it (neither zyn nor aseqview). Unplugging, powering off, etc. yields no different result. Converseley, when it's working fine I can unplug, power off, etc. and it always comes back just fine. Well, always except for the time when it decides to go awol. I've also tried unloading snd-usb-audio. In the past the problem has been resolved by rebooting, but I'm feeling adventurous and don't particularly need to use the keyboard at the moment, so I think I'll try to track it down. So my question is, where does the problem most likely lie? Is the firmware perhaps not loading properly for some reason? Is something in one of the ALSA kernel modules in a strange state? snd-usb-audio, or one of the other snd- modules, or maybe the *hci modules? -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051120/82ece003/attachment-0001.bin From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sun Nov 20 17:25:35 2005 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun Nov 20 17:25:04 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] low latency ladspa rotary speaker Message-ID: <4380F7DF.1010803@gmail.com> Hi I've tried out the TAP Rotary Speaker LADSPA plugin. Sounds quite nice, but it latency is too big for realtime performance, http://tap-plugins.sourceforge.net/ladspa/rotspeak.html lists it as 48ms which seems like what I feel when playing it. Is there other rotary speaker LADSPA plugins with lower latency around? Or is there a way to lower the latency of the TAP one? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From ix at replic.net Sun Nov 20 18:40:37 2005 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Sun Nov 20 17:41:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: References: <200511201707.jAKH74sq024778@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20051120234037.GA19481@replic.net> > >The nvidia driver is only necessary for hardware accelerated 3D which > >doesn't have much use on an audio box. > > > > Hm? Does the free driver finanally work with built-in gfx on nforce > boards? don't know...still refuses to work on my 6200, which is vastly similar to the onboard, either with 6.8.whatever or 7.0-CVS. you get a neat row of distorted pixels then flashing screenfuls of solid colors or white.. contrast this with my soundcard (From EchoAudio) where the company itself has yet to release any 64bit drivers, for windows or linux, but the open-source ones work perfectly... i guess id say use what works, but of course open is better. > > > -- From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sun Nov 20 20:41:20 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sun Nov 20 18:45:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mixmeister-like software In-Reply-To: <437499A6.1030008@fastmail.fm> (John Mulholland's message of "Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:16:22 +0000") References: <437499A6.1030008@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <87fypqixq7.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> John Mulholland writes: > Is there anything similar for Linux? Not sure what you are looking for, but have you checked: http://linux-sound.org/ddj.html -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From ross at jose.lug.udel.edu Sun Nov 20 18:58:56 2005 From: ross at jose.lug.udel.edu (Ross Vandegrift) Date: Sun Nov 20 18:58:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] delta 44...80% there?? In-Reply-To: <20051119003944.706f36ca@mango.fruits.de> References: <437E6061.50508@sonic.net> <20051119003944.706f36ca@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <20051120235856.GA12343@jose.lug.udel.edu> On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 12:39:44AM +0100, Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:14:41 -0800 > reuben wrote: > > What should I do next? > > run > > envy24control If you don't get any sound after you check the settings in envy24control, try this as root: # rmmod snd-ice1712 # modprobe snd-ice1712 model=delta44 My delta 44 has a mysterious problem where the EEPROM has incorrect identification info. The symptoms are that the driver loads fine, but no sound no matter what. -- Ross Vandegrift ross@lug.udel.edu "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell." --St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37 From ross at jose.lug.udel.edu Sun Nov 20 19:05:28 2005 From: ross at jose.lug.udel.edu (Ross Vandegrift) Date: Sun Nov 20 19:05:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> <200511200125.26405.ce@christeck.de> <1132446802.6874.106.camel@mindpipe> <20051120022826.29b7477d@laptop> <1132476800.6874.120.camel@mindpipe> <4380B257.3050503@woh.rr.com> <1132509881.6874.141.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20051121000528.GB12343@jose.lug.udel.edu> On Sun, Nov 20, 2005 at 07:56:56PM +0000, Pete Leigh wrote: > If you want to take an ethical stance of not helping anyone who > uses closed drivers, that may be a defensible position. But it's no > use pretending there are well-founded and absolute technical > reasons for it -- it's an ethical choice, a thoroughgoing boycott if > you like, not a technical necessity. Well, partially true. The whole tainted kernel thing started after a bunch of developers got sick of seeing crashes that were only reproduced with the nvidia module. Alan Cox ran a go at reverse engineering it, and what he found was that it does a lot of reads and writes to aparantly random memory locations - an extremely unwise thing to do if you value stability. There's no hardware documentation, so there's no way to know what is going on or why. The tainting was added to weed out bug reports that were specious - not because the systems were necessarily "undebuggable", but rather because when code is reading and writing to undocumentable places in memory, you really have no idea what is going on. So, you're right - it's not completely undebuggable. But it's certainly not worth the time of a dev with better things to do. -- Ross Vandegrift ross@lug.udel.edu "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell." --St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37 From jasonjgw at pacific.net.au Sun Nov 20 19:54:43 2005 From: jasonjgw at pacific.net.au (Jason White) Date: Sun Nov 20 19:54:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digigram cards (especially VXpocket) Message-ID: <20051121005443.GA5027@jdc> Are there any comments on the reliability of Digigram cards under Alsa? In my ongoing research into suitable cards for spdif input and output I am considering buying a VXpocket PCMCIA card for my laptop, for which there's an Alsa driver. My laptop is an AMD64 machine, so any experience with the VXpocket driver under the AMD64 architecture would be especially relevant. Any comments on their PCI cards would also be of interest, but at present I am focusing on the laptop. This also connects nicely into the discussion of USB vs. PCMCIA solutions that started on this list last week. From smassy at sdf.lonestar.org Mon Nov 21 01:34:14 2005 From: smassy at sdf.lonestar.org (S. Massy) Date: Mon Nov 21 01:35:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VIA82xx/ICE1232, low sound level on recording Message-ID: <20051121063414.GA25712@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Hi, Well, the subject line pretty much says it all; I plug a microphone in the mic jack of the on-board sound chip and, when recording, the level is very low. Turning on "MIC Boost" does help a very little, but that's about it; raising "Capture" over 85% yields a sound not unlike an idling car. Looking around on the internet, I could find information about low playback level problems with this card, but nothing regarding recording levels. Anyone has any idea on what the matter might be? See full information below. Thanks, S.M. Card: VIA 82C686A/B rev50 Chip: ICEnsemble ICE1232 ALSA Version: 1.0.10rc1 uname -a: Linux vysotskij 2.6.14-gentoo-r2 #2 PREEMPT Sun Nov 13 10:14:22AST 2005 i686 Celeron (Coppermine) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux -- smassy@sdf.lonestar.org From p.pruszczak at pro.onet.pl Mon Nov 21 03:13:20 2005 From: p.pruszczak at pro.onet.pl (Piotr Pruszczak) Date: Mon Nov 21 03:14:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] amd64 - distro questions... Message-ID: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> Dear Sirs, I used to work with Debian (for 2 years as desktop) and I purchased amd64 3 weeks ago just to have top performance and possibility to use some dssi software / syntezathors etc... Just, I need some advise from Gentoo users - as I have to say, that I am just a little bit disappointed with poor *deb repositories, problems with dependencies and ... just I am thinking of "switch" by audio station to Gentoo (I love Debian for philisophy of GNU && independence and always will, however I WANT TO MAKE THE MUSIC ;) ) So, please AMD64 Gentoo guys, advise me - am I thinking right or not ? Also, how REALTIME LSM is working with Ingo Molnars patched kernel 2.6.14* / is DSSI working properly / maybe any Audio manuals for Gentoo ? and of course - I am interested in PURE64 architecture ;) -- Piotr From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Mon Nov 21 05:15:17 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Mon Nov 21 05:15:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digigram cards (especially VXpocket) In-Reply-To: <20051121005443.GA5027@jdc> References: <20051121005443.GA5027@jdc> Message-ID: <43819E35.9010601@walescomputers.co.uk> Hi Jason Will not the M-Audio Audiophile not meet you requirements? This is well supported. I use the RME on my 64 box but I dont know how this works on a laptop. Cheers Bob Jason White wrote: > Are there any comments on the reliability of Digigram cards under Alsa? In my > ongoing research into suitable cards for spdif input and output I am > considering buying a VXpocket PCMCIA card for my laptop, for which there's an > Alsa driver. My laptop is an AMD64 machine, so any experience with the > VXpocket driver under the AMD64 architecture would be especially relevant. > Any comments on their PCI cards would also be of interest, but at present I am > focusing on the laptop. > > This also connects nicely into the discussion of USB vs. PCMCIA solutions that > started on this list last week. > > > -- Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Mon Nov 21 06:07:40 2005 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Mon Nov 21 06:03:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VIA82xx/ICE1232, low sound level on recording In-Reply-To: <20051121063414.GA25712@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20051121063414.GA25712@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Message-ID: <4381AA7C.1080301@chapelperilous.net> S. Massy wrote: >Well, the subject line pretty much says it all; I plug a microphone in >the mic jack of the on-board sound chip and, when recording, the level >is very low. Turning on "MIC Boost" does help a very little, but that's >about it; raising "Capture" over 85% yields a sound not unlike an idling >car. Looking around on the internet, I could find information about low >playback level problems with this card, but nothing regarding recording >levels. Anyone has any idea on what the matter might be? See full >information below. > > You probably need a microphone pre-amp to get the signal up to a level appropriate for recording. I wouldn't expect a whole lot of audio quality going direct into the onboard audio hardware like that. -- Brett From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Mon Nov 21 06:59:43 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Mon Nov 21 07:04:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VIA82xx/ICE1232, low sound level on recording In-Reply-To: <4381AA7C.1080301@chapelperilous.net> References: <20051121063414.GA25712@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <4381AA7C.1080301@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <4381B6AF.1000808@walescomputers.co.uk> HI Yes a cheap small desk will help, or the Behringer Mic 100 is very cheap and not bad quality. A mic direct into the PC will be very low. bob Brett McCoy wrote: > S. Massy wrote: > >> Well, the subject line pretty much says it all; I plug a microphone in >> the mic jack of the on-board sound chip and, when recording, the level >> is very low. Turning on "MIC Boost" does help a very little, but that's >> about it; raising "Capture" over 85% yields a sound not unlike an idling >> car. Looking around on the internet, I could find information about low >> playback level problems with this card, but nothing regarding recording >> levels. Anyone has any idea on what the matter might be? See full >> information below. >> >> > You probably need a microphone pre-amp to get the signal up to a level > appropriate for recording. I wouldn't expect a whole lot of audio > quality going direct into the onboard audio hardware like that. > > -- Brett > -- Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From hans at fugal.net Mon Nov 21 09:53:50 2005 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Mon Nov 21 09:53:56 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midisport snd-usb-audio mysteries In-Reply-To: <20051120214558.GA29522@falcon.fugal.net> References: <20051120214558.GA29522@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <20051121145350.GB5773@falcon.fugal.net> After much travail, and learning more about udev and hotplug than I ever wanted to know, it turned out to be an overloaded USB hub. Sheesh. On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 at 14:45 -0700, Hans Fugal wrote: > My M-Audio Radium 61 is on the fritz again. With the recent changes in > udev, where udev replaces hotplug, I had to do some trickery to get the > firmware to load. When it finally did, it dumped me into a problem I've > seen many times before: the keyboard is recognized as existing by the > ALSA sequencer, but there doesn't seem to be any midi data coming from > it (neither zyn nor aseqview). Unplugging, powering off, etc. yields no > different result. Converseley, when it's working fine I can unplug, > power off, etc. and it always comes back just fine. Well, always except > for the time when it decides to go awol. I've also tried unloading > snd-usb-audio. > > In the past the problem has been resolved by rebooting, but I'm feeling > adventurous and don't particularly need to use the keyboard at the > moment, so I think I'll try to track it down. > > So my question is, where does the problem most likely lie? Is the > firmware perhaps not loading properly for some reason? Is something in > one of the ALSA kernel modules in a strange state? snd-usb-audio, or one > of the other snd- modules, or maybe the *hci modules? > > -- > Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net > > There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the > right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. > -- Johann Sebastian Bach -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051121/a7e02a0b/attachment.bin From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Nov 21 10:54:57 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Nov 21 10:55:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midisport snd-usb-audio mysteries In-Reply-To: <20051121145350.GB5773@falcon.fugal.net> References: <20051120214558.GA29522@falcon.fugal.net> <20051121145350.GB5773@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <1132588498.29178.14.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 07:53 -0700, Hans Fugal wrote: > After much travail, and learning more about udev and hotplug than I ever > wanted to know, it turned out to be an overloaded USB hub. Sheesh. Your bug report did not even mention a USB hub... Lee From slc at publicus.net Mon Nov 21 11:14:11 2005 From: slc at publicus.net (Steven Clift) Date: Mon Nov 21 11:12:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Converting streaming Ogg into MP3 in real-time Message-ID: <000c01c5eeb6$9bfb6690$6400a8c0@PUBLICUS2> Any thoughts? With the Democaster http://dowire.org/wiki/Democaster protoype we automatically convert Ogg to MP3 and vice versa for our _on-demand_ archives (something we use with Icecast2). I need to know more about the capacity issues with real-time conversion. What is the best way to do this in both real-time and/or for on-demand files? Our project's goal is to make local community public meetings and events accessible while also using non-proprietary/open source or free to use software to the greatest extent possible. We have to use MP3 to make the audio accessible for now. As we bring on some community groups to use the system with little technical savvy, I'd like to say, encode in Ogg (Winamp w/Oddcast) and we will do the rest. Sending community group representatives to secondary site to download LAME encoders is something that may scare them away. Cheers, Steven Clift Steven Clift - http://publicus.net - Reply to: clift@publicus.net Join DoWire: http://dowire.org E-Democracy: http://e-democracy.org From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Nov 21 12:50:23 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Nov 21 11:48:52 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Converting streaming Ogg into MP3 in real-time In-Reply-To: <000c01c5eeb6$9bfb6690$6400a8c0@PUBLICUS2> References: <000c01c5eeb6$9bfb6690$6400a8c0@PUBLICUS2> Message-ID: <1132595423.4482.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 10:14 -0600, Steven Clift wrote: > Any thoughts? > > With the Democaster http://dowire.org/wiki/Democaster protoype we > automatically convert Ogg to MP3 and vice versa for our _on-demand_ ugh. horrible idea. applying lossy psycho-acoustic compression techniques 3 times (PCM -> Ogg, Ogg->PCM, PCM->MP3) is a sure fire way to produce nasty sounding results, even for recordings of public meetings. maybe the sound quality *really* doesn't matter to you. --p From clemens at ladisch.de Mon Nov 21 11:49:03 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon Nov 21 11:49:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-20 not seen by alsa in ADVANCED mode - ADDITIONAL INFO In-Reply-To: <437E9620.5050902@poeticstudios.com> References: <437D3C43.4060203@poeticstudios.com> <1132298387.437d80939005d@webmail.uni-halle.de> <437E872B.5020102@poeticstudios.com> <437E9620.5050902@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <1132591743.4381fa7f896a5@webmail.uni-halle.de> Cesare Marilungo wrote: > This is my lsusb -v output: > > Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0582:0025 Roland Corp. > ... > bcdDevice 1.01 > ... > Interface Descriptor: > bLength 9 > bDescriptorType 4 > bInterfaceNumber 1 > bAlternateSetting 1 > bNumEndpoints 1 > bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class > bInterfaceSubClass 2 > bInterfaceProtocol 0 > iInterface 0 > Endpoint Descriptor: > bLength 9 > bDescriptorType 5 > bEndpointAddress 0x01 EP 1 OUT > bmAttributes 9 > Transfer Type Isochronous > Synch Type Adaptive > Usage Type Data > wMaxPacketSize 0x0120 bytes 288 once > bInterval 1 > bRefresh 0 > bSynchAddress 0 It seems some moron at Roland made a new revision of this device and left out the class-specific descriptors that would have told the driver what sample format to use. I've changed the driver to use a hard-coded sample format for the UA-20. This should be on the public CVS servers in a hour or so. HTH Clemens From roberts.noah at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 12:00:32 2005 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Mon Nov 21 12:00:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] amd64 - distro questions... In-Reply-To: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> References: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> Message-ID: <567aa5f60511210900r434a2bc0o74dc10e5d4f1eedb@mail.gmail.com> On 11/21/05, Piotr Pruszczak wrote: > Dear Sirs, > > > I used to work with Debian (for 2 years as desktop) and I purchased > amd64 3 weeks ago just to have top performance and possibility to use > some dssi software / syntezathors etc... > > Just, I need some advise from Gentoo users - as I have to say, that I am > just a little bit disappointed with poor *deb repositories, problems > with dependencies and ... just I am thinking of "switch" by audio > station to Gentoo (I love Debian for philisophy of GNU && independence > and always will, however I WANT TO MAKE THE MUSIC ;) ) > > > So, please AMD64 Gentoo guys, advise me - am I thinking right or not ? I would say yes, but I never liked Debian; I always thought it had a pretty hideous package setup even if it is better than some competition like RPM. You will dig the fact that Gentoo will download and install all dependancies, but something you didn't have before is you have some say in what those dependencies are. Since 99% of the packages are built from source you can configure features in or out depending on your needs. No binary package system offers this. Most programs have ebuilds and are thus "part" of the Gentoo distribution. I rarely find something that doesn't have a package or has a package significantly out of date. Also, especially beneficial to the AMD64 user like me, the gentoo package system flags packages that work, don't work, or are untested. This is nice because it keeps you from updating a package with something that is known to break on your architecture. I don't know what the DSSI thing is. I have RT in the .14 kernel and the only problem I am having is software hibernation (suspend to disk) crashes somewhere in the RT functions. Nobody but a laptop user like me cares about this a great deal. I used to use Slackware because I never enjoyed the binary package systems offered by the other distros. When I bought an AMD64 I could no longer use Slackware and get the benefits of the new system. I tried Gentoo and have never looked back...I use it everywhere now. It is, IMHO, the best distro out there. You will run into things that don't work as well on the AMD64. Flash doesn't work at all and you need a 32 bit version of firefox to view these websites. Gentoo makes this really easy to set up. I do have issues with QSynth and its underlying program (forget its name). Last I tried it did manage to make some scratching noises but I have never gotten it to work. Newer versions than 3 months or so might do better. That's about it, most other shit works great. With a mix of having mostly 64 bit programs, a kernel that has 32 bit entry functions, and the 32 bit compat libraries and some 32 bit programs is a great way of doing things. Most stuff is 64 and then things that don't work or work oddly, like flash or openoffice, can be installed as 32 bit programs and run as normal - you never notice the diff. From adphillips at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 12:02:14 2005 From: adphillips at gmail.com (Aaron Phillips) Date: Mon Nov 21 12:02:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] intermittent X blackout in rt kernel Message-ID: <6414696f0511210902j468f1844l4370cb1c958a3a31@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Has anyone experienced X going blank at random times for between 1 and 5 seconds at a pop? I started out with a demudi mm kernel (I'm running DeMudi) and never experienced this problem. Once I ran my own built-from-source 2.6.14-rt13 kernel, I saw this behavior consistently. It's very annoying. Basically, while in X, the screen would go blank every so often for a short period and then reappear. Periods between blackouts would be between 1 second and 1 minute. I am wondering if it has something to do with the video having too low of a priority since this is a realtime-preempt kernel. I tried setting X to a higher prio with chrt, but that had no effect. Anyone have an idea? Thanks, Aaron From smassy at sdf.lonestar.org Mon Nov 21 12:12:09 2005 From: smassy at sdf.lonestar.org (S. Massy) Date: Mon Nov 21 12:12:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VIA82xx/ICE1232, low sound level on recording In-Reply-To: <4381B6AF.1000808@walescomputers.co.uk> References: <20051121063414.GA25712@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <4381AA7C.1080301@chapelperilous.net> <4381B6AF.1000808@walescomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <20051121171209.GA22642@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Hi, Thanks for the input; that was more or less my intention in the short to mid term. However, for right now, I meant to run it directly in and didn't expect any problem, as this very same mic used to perform okay going into my old SBLive. But I guess maybe that card had better gain... Thanks, S.M. On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 11:59:43AM +0000, studio-64 wrote: > HI > Yes a cheap small desk will help, > or the Behringer Mic 100 is very cheap and not bad quality. > > A mic direct into the PC will be very low. > bob > > > Brett McCoy wrote: > >S. Massy wrote: > > > >>Well, the subject line pretty much says it all; I plug a microphone in > >>the mic jack of the on-board sound chip and, when recording, the level > >>is very low. Turning on "MIC Boost" does help a very little, but that's > >>about it; raising "Capture" over 85% yields a sound not unlike an idling > >>car. Looking around on the internet, I could find information about low > >>playback level problems with this card, but nothing regarding recording > >>levels. Anyone has any idea on what the matter might be? See full > >>information below. > >> > >> > >You probably need a microphone pre-amp to get the signal up to a level > >appropriate for recording. I wouldn't expect a whole lot of audio > >quality going direct into the onboard audio hardware like that. > > > >-- Brett > > > > -- > > > > Bearmusic > hearmymusic.co.uk > > > -- smassy@sdf.lonestar.org From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Mon Nov 21 12:14:25 2005 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Mon Nov 21 12:17:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VIA82xx/ICE1232, low sound level on recording In-Reply-To: <20051121171209.GA22642@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20051121063414.GA25712@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <4381AA7C.1080301@chapelperilous.net> <4381B6AF.1000808@walescomputers.co.uk> <20051121171209.GA22642@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Message-ID: <43820071.5070504@chapelperilous.net> S. Massy wrote: > Thanks for the input; that was more or less my intention in the short to > mid term. However, for right now, I meant to run it directly in and > didn't expect any problem, as this very same mic used to perform okay > going into my old SBLive. But I guess maybe that card had better gain... That SBLive card may have had a pre-amp in it (but probably not a very good one). If you need something small and not too expensive, the M-Audio Audio Buddy is a nice little pre-amp, and with a very small footprint (it can easily fit into a should bag or laptop case). -- Brett From ce at christeck.de Mon Nov 21 12:28:33 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Nov 21 12:28:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <200511200122.22272.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200511211828.33465.ce@christeck.de> > In a post at http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2005/03/0266.html > someone else with a UA-25 suggests using acpi_irq_balance kernel boot > parameter OTOH I heard that ACPI should be better disabled for audio kernels, so I did. Thanks anyway for the pointer! Best regards ce From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Nov 21 12:58:28 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Nov 21 12:58:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] intermittent X blackout in rt kernel In-Reply-To: <6414696f0511210902j468f1844l4370cb1c958a3a31@mail.gmail.com> References: <6414696f0511210902j468f1844l4370cb1c958a3a31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1132595909.29178.50.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 12:02 -0500, Aaron Phillips wrote: > Anyone have an idea? This is probably a video driver issue. Please give some information about the video hardware, output of "lsmod", "cat /proc/interrupts", and "grep -A10 'Section "Device"' /etc/X11/xorg.conf". Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Nov 21 13:00:12 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Nov 21 13:04:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <200511211828.33465.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <200511200122.22272.ce@christeck.de> <200511211828.33465.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1132596013.29178.52.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 18:28 +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > In a post at http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2005/03/0266.html > > someone else with a UA-25 suggests using acpi_irq_balance kernel boot > > parameter > > OTOH I heard that ACPI should be better disabled for audio kernels, so I > did. This doesn't really apply anymore, the kernel bugs in question are thought to be fixed. I run with ACPI enabled now and have not had a problem in months. Lee From ce at christeck.de Mon Nov 21 13:14:03 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Nov 21 13:13:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <1132596013.29178.52.camel@mindpipe> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <200511211828.33465.ce@christeck.de> <1132596013.29178.52.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200511211914.03274.ce@christeck.de> > This doesn't really apply anymore, the kernel bugs in question are > thought to be fixed. ?I run with ACPI enabled now and have not had a > problem in months. Thanks a lot for the info. Unfortunately, my Dell notebook (inspiron 8200) has some problems with ACPI; but thanks to your info I'll try again. Best regards ce From hans at fugal.net Mon Nov 21 13:40:44 2005 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Mon Nov 21 13:40:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midisport snd-usb-audio mysteries In-Reply-To: <1132588498.29178.14.camel@mindpipe> References: <20051120214558.GA29522@falcon.fugal.net> <20051121145350.GB5773@falcon.fugal.net> <1132588498.29178.14.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20051121184044.GA11461@falcon.fugal.net> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 at 10:54 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 07:53 -0700, Hans Fugal wrote: > > After much travail, and learning more about udev and hotplug than I ever > > wanted to know, it turned out to be an overloaded USB hub. Sheesh. > > Your bug report did not even mention a USB hub... Well had I known the problem could lie there it would have taken me five minutes to fix instead of hours. Now I know a little more about USB. -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051121/acd8e13c/attachment.bin From ce at christeck.de Mon Nov 21 13:53:37 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Nov 21 13:53:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midisport snd-usb-audio mysteries In-Reply-To: <20051121184044.GA11461@falcon.fugal.net> References: <20051120214558.GA29522@falcon.fugal.net> <1132588498.29178.14.camel@mindpipe> <20051121184044.GA11461@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <200511211953.37200.ce@christeck.de> > Well had I known the problem could lie there it would have taken me > five minutes to fix instead of hours. Now I know a little more about > USB. USB hubs in general can really be a pain. I have had two of them which didn't work properly; I always thought OK, it's caused by the linux kernel who is very restrictive concerning device behaviour. It only worked well for mice and printers. I had probs with USB audio, camera and scanner. One day I used one of them at a windows XP box - and got a blue screen. My recommendation: Avoid devices which are labeled as "For home and small office use only". Meanwhile I found one which really works well in any occasion and am very happy with it because it behaves as desired: I don't recognize that it is there :) . Best regards ce From pete.leigh at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 14:27:37 2005 From: pete.leigh at gmail.com (Pete Leigh) Date: Mon Nov 21 14:27:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: <1132596013.29178.52.camel@mindpipe> References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <200511200122.22272.ce@christeck.de> <200511211828.33465.ce@christeck.de> <1132596013.29178.52.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 21/11/05, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 18:28 +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > OTOH I heard that ACPI should be better disabled for audio kernels, so I > > did. > This doesn't really apply anymore, the kernel bugs in question are > thought to be fixed. I run with ACPI enabled now and have not had a > problem in months. I've been wondering about the 'acpi over smm' problems mentioned on this list in Oct '04 for a while now - the problem doesn't seem to get mentioned, yet I couldn't find a resolution in the list archives (I could have missed it though). (I mean the thread "Latency issues with laptops", at http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2004-October/016545.html ) Does anyone know what the current state of play with this is? Did the blacklist ever materialise, and is there any method of detecting whether a particular laptop has the issue? Cheers, - Pete. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 14:57:10 2005 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Nov 21 14:56:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] /etc/modutils/alsa and debian/unstable Message-ID: <43822696.9000707@gmail.com> Hi I'm having trouble with my alsa setup under debian/unstable with the multimedia kernel from demudi. If I have my usb hub (with 3 usb keyboards + edirol sound card) plugged in during boot, everything works fine. How ever if I plug them in later *or* pulls/reinserts it after an otherwise succesful plugged-in boot, the order gets mixed up. Most anoying is that the edirol sound card is now card 4, instead of 1. This also means the I cannot figure out where it is for a jackd call. I used to have everything showing up at the same place every time. Hope someone can help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. NB: I *did* run modules-update Here's some info from my system, first after boot with the usb in: [atte@aarhus ~]$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [SI7012 ]: ICH - SiS SI7012 SiS SI7012 with ALC200,200P at 0xdc00, irq 10 1 [UA1A ]: USB-Audio - EDIROL UA-1A Roland EDIROL UA-1A at usb-0000:00:03.1-2.1, full speed 2 [Keyboard ]: USB-Audio - MK-449C USB MIDI Keyboard Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-449C USB MIDI Keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.1-2.2, f 3 [keyboard ]: USB-Audio - MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.1-2.3, f 4 [keyboard_1 ]: USB-Audio - MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.1-2.4, f Then after pulling/reinserting it: [atte@aarhus ~]$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [SI7012 ]: ICH - SiS SI7012 SiS SI7012 with ALC200,200P at 0xdc00, irq 10 1 [Keyboard ]: USB-Audio - MK-449C USB MIDI Keyboard Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-449C USB MIDI Keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.1-2.2, f 2 [keyboard ]: USB-Audio - MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.1-2.3, f 3 [keyboard_1 ]: USB-Audio - MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.1-2.4, f 4 [UA1A ]: USB-Audio - EDIROL UA-1A Roland EDIROL UA-1A at usb-0000:00:03.1-2.1, full speed [atte@aarhus ~]$ cat /etc/modutils/alsa alias char-major-116 snd alias char-major-14 soundcore # i810 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 # ua-1a alias sound-service-1-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-1-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-1-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-1-12 snd-pcm-oss alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio alias sound-slot-1 snd-card-1 # virtual midi alias sound-service-2-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-2-8 snd-seq-oss alias snd-card-2 snd-virmidi alias sound-slot-2 snd-card-2 #evolution 1 alias snd-card-3 snd-usb-audio alias sound-slot-3 snd-card-3 #evolution 2 alias snd-card-4 snd-usb-audio alias sound-slot-4 snd-card-4 options snd-intel8x0 index=0 options snd-usb-audio index=1,3,4,5,6 vid=0x0582 nrpacks=1 options snd-virmidi index=2 My kernel: [atte@aarhus ~]$ uname -r 2.6.12-3-multimedia-686 -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Mon Nov 21 15:08:57 2005 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Mon Nov 21 15:09:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] intermittent X blackout in rt kernel In-Reply-To: <6414696f0511210902j468f1844l4370cb1c958a3a31@mail.gmail.com> References: <6414696f0511210902j468f1844l4370cb1c958a3a31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1132603737.3945.39.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 12:02 -0500, Aaron Phillips wrote: > Hello, > Has anyone experienced X going blank at random times for between 1 and > 5 seconds at a pop? I started out with a demudi mm kernel (I'm > running DeMudi) and never experienced this problem. Once I ran my own > built-from-source > 2.6.14-rt13 kernel, I saw this behavior consistently. It's very annoying. > Basically, while in X, the screen would go blank every so often for a > short period and then reappear. Periods between blackouts would be > between 1 second and 1 minute. I am wondering if it has something to > do with the video having too low of a priority since this is a > realtime-preempt kernel. I tried setting X to a higher prio with > chrt, but that had no effect. > Anyone have an idea? Which cpu do you have? I have seen this coupled also to keyboard repeats being too fast because of kernel problems in keeping time (in my case related to using AMD X2 dual core processors). The X blackouts were actually the screensaver kicking in. It is supposed to be fixed... -- Fernando From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Nov 21 15:09:05 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Nov 21 15:09:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25: Any issues? In-Reply-To: References: <200511172341.03903.ce@christeck.de> <200511200122.22272.ce@christeck.de> <200511211828.33465.ce@christeck.de> <1132596013.29178.52.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1132603745.29178.85.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 19:27 +0000, Pete Leigh wrote: > On 21/11/05, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 18:28 +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > > > OTOH I heard that ACPI should be better disabled for audio kernels, so I > > > did. > > > This doesn't really apply anymore, the kernel bugs in question are > > thought to be fixed. I run with ACPI enabled now and have not had a > > problem in months. > > I've been wondering about the 'acpi over smm' problems mentioned > on this list in Oct '04 for a while now - the problem doesn't seem to > get mentioned, yet I couldn't find a resolution in the list archives > (I could have missed it though). > > (I mean the thread "Latency issues with laptops", at > http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2004-October/016545.html ) > > Does anyone know what the current state of play with this is? > > Did the blacklist ever materialise, and is there any method of detecting > whether a particular laptop has the issue? Not really. Acer laptops seem particularly bad. And, it turns out that some chipsets have a way to disable SMM, which is used by RTAI, so maybe this can be worked around. But, as the problem is broken hardware, there will never be a real fix. The best approach is probably to ask on this list whether anyone has tried a particular laptop. Lee From ce at christeck.de Mon Nov 21 15:11:58 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Nov 21 15:11:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] /etc/modutils/alsa and debian/unstable In-Reply-To: <43822696.9000707@gmail.com> References: <43822696.9000707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511212111.58879.ce@christeck.de> > options snd-usb-audio index=1,3,4,5,6 vid=0x0582 nrpacks=1 mine reads as options snd-usb-audio index=2,3,4,5,6 vid=0x0582,0x0763,0x0763,0x0582,0x0ccd pid=0x0074,0x1033,0x0117,0x000 and works fine. Note I just found an issue concerning modules-update. Read your /etc/modules.conf carefully. The modules-update script will include *any* file found in /etc/modules.d/, regardless if it reads as alsa.backup or alsa.orig.tar.gz. Having backup files in this directory will cause your /etc/modules.conf to be messed :) . Best regards ce From adphillips at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 15:25:08 2005 From: adphillips at gmail.com (Aaron Phillips) Date: Mon Nov 21 15:25:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] intermittent X blackout in rt kernel In-Reply-To: <1132603737.3945.39.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <6414696f0511210902j468f1844l4370cb1c958a3a31@mail.gmail.com> <1132603737.3945.39.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <6414696f0511211225t2f641fd7w473acab5e914dcf@mail.gmail.com> > Which cpu do you have? I have AMD X2 also, the AMD X2 3800, interesting... > I have seen this coupled also to keyboard repeats > being too fast because of kernel problems in keeping time (in my case > related to using AMD X2 dual core processors). Really? well should I turn down repeats in the BIOS or in Linux? > The X blackouts were actually the screensaver kicking in. It is supposed to be fixed... In which version is it supposed to be fixed. I am using the latest and greatest 2.6.14 plus the latest RT patch (rt13). The only thing I don't quite understand is what to do with the post-release version increments such as 2.6.14.2.. how do you patch that? Which kernel are you running and do you have the same problem still? Aaron From adphillips at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 15:26:09 2005 From: adphillips at gmail.com (Aaron Phillips) Date: Mon Nov 21 15:26:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] intermittent X blackout in rt kernel In-Reply-To: <1132595909.29178.50.camel@mindpipe> References: <6414696f0511210902j468f1844l4370cb1c958a3a31@mail.gmail.com> <1132595909.29178.50.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <6414696f0511211226s786854b3x5abbc2b3e3f51b16@mail.gmail.com> > This is probably a video driver issue. Please give some information > about the video hardware, output of "lsmod", "cat /proc/interrupts", and > "grep -A10 'Section "Device"' /etc/X11/xorg.conf". I don't have access to the machine right now, but I will have this info soon Thanks, Aaron From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 15:57:50 2005 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Nov 21 15:57:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] /etc/modutils/alsa and debian/unstable In-Reply-To: <200511212111.58879.ce@christeck.de> References: <43822696.9000707@gmail.com> <200511212111.58879.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <438234CE.1000304@gmail.com> Christoph Eckert wrote: > mine reads as > > options snd-usb-audio index=2,3,4,5,6 > vid=0x0582,0x0763,0x0763,0x0582,0x0ccd pid=0x0074,0x1033,0x0117,0x000 > > and works fine. Well I bet you have other hardware than mine, and still vid=0x0582 suggests you have some edirol gear, or? Where do I find the vid's and pid's that apply to my hardware? > The modules-update script will > include *any* file found in /etc/modules.d/ I learned that lesson through long and repeated frustration. But not this time :-) -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From x at branwelt.de Mon Nov 21 16:10:25 2005 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Mon Nov 21 16:10:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] amd64 - distro questions... In-Reply-To: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> References: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> Message-ID: <438237C1.5080102@branwelt.de> Piotr Pruszczak wrote: > I have to say, that I am just a little bit disappointed with poor *deb > repositories, problems with dependencies and ... just I am thinking of > "switch" by audio station to Gentoo (I love Debian for philisophy of > GNU && independence and always will, however I WANT TO MAKE THE MUSIC > ;) ) I first installed demudi, but ran into depency problems, when I mixed the repositories with debian ones. (when I updated jackd, rosegarden was deinstalled and other jokes ;-) So, my advice is not to mix repositories. Now I'm running debian with a custom kernel and get most packages from the debian repository. Since the debian repository doesn't have many audio-apps, many of those I'm running are self compiled, but most other packages are binaries from the debian repos. Going this way, I have access to a huge amount of precompiled apps, my audio apps are up-to-date and installation-work is limited. Regarding 64-architecture, I have no idea. Regards, Emanuel From fbar at footils.org Mon Nov 21 16:50:03 2005 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon Nov 21 16:50:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] /etc/modutils/alsa and debian/unstable In-Reply-To: <438234CE.1000304@gmail.com> References: <43822696.9000707@gmail.com> <200511212111.58879.ce@christeck.de> <438234CE.1000304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051121215003.GD12197@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Atte Andr? Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Where do I find the vid's and pid's that apply to my hardware? "lsusb" will show it to you, if the device is plugged in. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From julien at c-lab.de Mon Nov 21 17:27:32 2005 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon Nov 21 17:27:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Building MPlayer with JACK support on DeMuDi In-Reply-To: <20051115234901.GA16026@hl.afraid.org> References: <20051114231838.GA10651@hl.afraid.org> <20051115234901.GA16026@hl.afraid.org> Message-ID: Hi David! I don't know if anyone answered your question yet. But here is something, which may most probably help. Did you use mplayer's latest release/snapshot? If not try at: www.mplayerhq.hu Usually they build fine with me. You'll need a lot of libs (-devel packages included) to get it running, also don't forget to download the all-somedate.tar.bz2 package from the mplayer page. It's on the download page (where you find all the mplayer-source links). It's below that, go on the codecs page (they are very helpful). But the new mplayer versions _DON'T_ need libbio2jack anymore. Just a full jack-installation. Worked fine for me and a few other lads I know. Hope that helps. If you've got some more questions, just shoot. I can't read my mails very often, but I'll surely keep an eye on it. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From ce at christeck.de Mon Nov 21 18:10:14 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Nov 21 18:09:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] /etc/modutils/alsa and debian/unstable In-Reply-To: <438234CE.1000304@gmail.com> References: <43822696.9000707@gmail.com> <200511212111.58879.ce@christeck.de> <438234CE.1000304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511220010.14202.ce@christeck.de> > Well I bet you have other hardware than mine, and still vid=0x0582 > suggests you have some edirol gear, or? Yes, I have one Edirol device. In your config, you have entered 5 devices (do you really have 5 USB devices? If so you're more geeky than me ;-), but only one vendor ID and no brand ID at all. > Where do I find the vid's and pid's that apply to my hardware? As Frank wrote lsusb as root is your friend. Best regards ce ?Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen? (Helmut Schmidt) From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 18:35:36 2005 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Nov 21 18:35:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] /etc/modutils/alsa and debian/unstable In-Reply-To: <20051121215003.GD12197@fliwatut.scifi> References: <43822696.9000707@gmail.com> <200511212111.58879.ce@christeck.de> <438234CE.1000304@gmail.com> <20051121215003.GD12197@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <438259C8.3030201@gmail.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > "lsusb" will show it to you, if the device is plugged in. Thanks, but it's not working yet: [atte@aarhus ~]$ lsusb Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 002 Device 006: ID 0582:0018 Roland Corp. Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0a4d:008e Evolution Electronics, Ltd MK-249C MIDI Keyboard Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0a4d:008e Evolution Electronics, Ltd MK-249C MIDI Keyboard Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0a4d:008f Evolution Electronics, Ltd Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0451:2046 Texas Instruments, Inc. TUSB2046 Hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 [atte@aarhus ~]$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [SI7012 ]: ICH - SiS SI7012 SiS SI7012 with ALC200,200P at 0xdc00, irq 10 1 [Keyboard ]: USB-Audio - MK-449C USB MIDI Keyboard Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-449C USB MIDI Keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.2-1.2, f 2 [keyboard ]: USB-Audio - MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.2-1.3, f 3 [keyboard_1 ]: USB-Audio - MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.2-1.4, f 4 [UA1A ]: USB-Audio - EDIROL UA-1A Roland EDIROL UA-1A at usb-0000:00:03.2-1.1, full speed [atte@aarhus ~]$ cat /etc/modutils/alsa alias char-major-116 snd alias char-major-14 soundcore # i810 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 # ua-1a alias sound-service-1-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-1-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-1-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-1-12 snd-pcm-oss alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio alias sound-slot-1 snd-card-1 # virtual midi alias sound-service-2-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-2-8 snd-seq-oss alias snd-card-2 snd-virmidi alias sound-slot-2 snd-card-2 #evolution 1 alias snd-card-3 snd-usb-audio alias sound-slot-3 snd-card-3 #evolution 2 alias snd-card-4 snd-usb-audio alias sound-slot-4 snd-card-4 #evolution 3 alias snd-card-5 snd-usb-audio alias sound-slot-5 snd-card-5 # options options snd-intel8x0 index=0 options snd-usb-audio index=1,3,4,5 vid=0x0582,0x0a4d,0x0a4d,0x0a4d pid=0x0018,0x008e,0x008e,0x008f nrpacks=1 options snd-virmidi index=2 Any clues? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 18:44:20 2005 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Nov 21 18:43:56 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] /etc/modutils/alsa and debian/unstable In-Reply-To: <200511220010.14202.ce@christeck.de> References: <43822696.9000707@gmail.com> <200511212111.58879.ce@christeck.de> <438234CE.1000304@gmail.com> <200511220010.14202.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <43825BD4.8080403@gmail.com> Christoph Eckert wrote: > Yes, I have one Edirol device. In your config, you have entered 5 > devices (do you really have 5 USB devices? If so you're more geeky than > me ;-), but only one vendor ID and no brand ID at all. I added one extra keyboard (although I still have 5 usb devs if we count my midi interface which I hardly use) in the alsa config for future shopping. Looking at Franks example I figured I needed the full set of vid's and pid's. Helas that didn't work either (see other post). -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From jtburchfield at yahoo.com Mon Nov 21 21:14:09 2005 From: jtburchfield at yahoo.com (Jason Burchfield) Date: Mon Nov 21 20:56:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audiophile usb Message-ID: <43827EF1.9060903@yahoo.com> I am trying to get the audiophile usb i just bought to work with my Fedora Core 4 system. The snd_usb_audio driver loaded at boot. I cannot get any sound from the card. I can connect to JACK and jack connects to hydrogen, jackmix, and audour, but there is not any sound in or out. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Jason From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Mon Nov 21 21:38:33 2005 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Mon Nov 21 21:38:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] intermittent X blackout in rt kernel In-Reply-To: <6414696f0511211225t2f641fd7w473acab5e914dcf@mail.gmail.com> References: <6414696f0511210902j468f1844l4370cb1c958a3a31@mail.gmail.com> <1132603737.3945.39.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <6414696f0511211225t2f641fd7w473acab5e914dcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1132627113.4805.101.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 15:25 -0500, Aaron Phillips wrote: > > Which cpu do you have? > I have AMD X2 also, the AMD X2 3800, interesting... > > > I have seen this coupled also to keyboard repeats > > being too fast because of kernel problems in keeping time (in my case > > related to using AMD X2 dual core processors). > Really? well should I turn down repeats in the BIOS or in Linux? > > > The X blackouts were actually the screensaver kicking in. It is supposed to be fixed... > In which version is it supposed to be fixed. I am using the latest > and greatest 2.6.14 plus the latest RT patch (rt13). The only thing I > don't quite understand is what to do with the post-release version > increments such as 2.6.14.2.. how do you patch that? > > Which kernel are you running and do you have the same problem still? I still have the problem and it is not fixed yet (just earlier today I think I finally understood what is actually happening). At this point this only happens on dual core systems (for example the Athlon X2 processor family) running an SMP i386 kernel, it does not happen on x86_64 systems. A patch has just been posted to lkml (by John Stultz) that should take care of this, but it will take a while for the stuff to get to the -rtxx patches. There is a workaround (thanks to John Stultz) which is to change the source clock for the timing to something other than the TSC[*]. You can see which source is being used by typing: cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/clocksource The default should show something like this: acpi_pm jiffies *tsc pit note the "*" next to tsc, means it is the one being used. If you have acpi_pm change the source to it like this: echo "acpi_pm">/sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/clocksource That should fix the problem you are having. You can also add "clocksource=xyz" as a boot time kernel parameter, where xyz is the source you want to use. -- Fernando [*] "Time Stamp Clock": on Athlon X2 systems each cpu has its own and they can drift from each other, software that does not take this into account gets into big trouble, for example Jack. From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 23:49:54 2005 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Nov 21 23:49:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: amd64 - distro questions... In-Reply-To: <438237C1.5080102@branwelt.de> References: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> <438237C1.5080102@branwelt.de> Message-ID: On 11/22/05, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: > Piotr Pruszczak wrote: > > > I have to say, that I am just a little bit disappointed with poor *deb > > repositories, problems with dependencies and ... just I am thinking of > > "switch" by audio station to Gentoo (I love Debian for philisophy of > > GNU && independence and always will, however I WANT TO MAKE THE MUSIC > > ;) ) 64 bit mandriva 2006 is running well for me music wise. using it on a amd64 939 3000. I haven't run into any problems apart from the onboard (ati) graphics card being too new to have drivers, so i bought a nvidia card to replace it. All round mandriva seem to work well, although i've needed to rebuild a number source package, but building src.rpms with urpmi/rpmbuild is pretty easy. Loki From clemens at ladisch.de Tue Nov 22 02:19:40 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue Nov 22 02:20:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] /etc/modutils/alsa and debian/unstable In-Reply-To: <43822696.9000707@gmail.com> References: <43822696.9000707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1132643980.4382c68c98abb@webmail.uni-halle.de> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > If I have my usb hub (with 3 usb keyboards + edirol sound card) plugged > in during boot, everything works fine. How ever if I plug them in later > *or* pulls/reinserts it after an otherwise succesful plugged-in boot, > the order gets mixed up. > > [atte@aarhus ~]$ cat /etc/modutils/alsa > options snd-usb-audio index=1,3,4,5,6 vid=0x0582 nrpacks=1 This looks OK. Please check in /sys/module/snd_usb_audio/parameters/* that the parameters actually got applied. HTH Clemens From atte.jensen at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 03:00:24 2005 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue Nov 22 02:59:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] /etc/modutils/alsa and debian/unstable In-Reply-To: <1132643980.4382c68c98abb@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <43822696.9000707@gmail.com> <1132643980.4382c68c98abb@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4382D018.2040507@gmail.com> Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Please check in /sys/module/snd_usb_audio/parameters/* that the parameters > actually got applied. It seems not (although it did get the nrpacks parameter): [root@aarhus parameters]# ll; cat * total 0 -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4,0K 2005-11-22 08:57 async_unlink -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4,0K 2005-11-22 08:57 enable -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4,0K 2005-11-22 08:57 id -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4,0K 2005-11-22 08:57 index -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4,0K 2005-11-22 08:57 nrpacks -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4,0K 2005-11-22 08:57 pid -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4,0K 2005-11-22 08:57 vid Y Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y ,,,,,,, -1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1 4 -1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1 -1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1 -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From adphillips at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 03:05:02 2005 From: adphillips at gmail.com (Aaron Phillips) Date: Tue Nov 22 03:05:04 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] intermittent X blackout in rt kernel In-Reply-To: <1132627113.4805.101.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <6414696f0511210902j468f1844l4370cb1c958a3a31@mail.gmail.com> <1132603737.3945.39.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <6414696f0511211225t2f641fd7w473acab5e914dcf@mail.gmail.com> <1132627113.4805.101.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <6414696f0511220005t57acf893x1ce76a5b28e85944@mail.gmail.com> Fernando, Thanks very much for your help. I read the entire 5105 kernel bug discussion and didn't find the valuable information you presented, i.e. how to change the clocksource at runtime so easily. I was going to try the "notsc" kernel option. For what it's worth I changed the clocksource as you mentioned and I haven't had a glitch yet (10 minutes since the change).. and this is unusual. Aaron On 11/21/05, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 15:25 -0500, Aaron Phillips wrote: > > > Which cpu do you have? > > I have AMD X2 also, the AMD X2 3800, interesting... > > > > > I have seen this coupled also to keyboard repeats > > > being too fast because of kernel problems in keeping time (in my case > > > related to using AMD X2 dual core processors). > > Really? well should I turn down repeats in the BIOS or in Linux? > > > > > The X blackouts were actually the screensaver kicking in. It is supposed to be fixed... > > In which version is it supposed to be fixed. I am using the latest > > and greatest 2.6.14 plus the latest RT patch (rt13). The only thing I > > don't quite understand is what to do with the post-release version > > increments such as 2.6.14.2.. how do you patch that? > > > > Which kernel are you running and do you have the same problem still? > > I still have the problem and it is not fixed yet (just earlier today I > think I finally understood what is actually happening). > > At this point this only happens on dual core systems (for example the > Athlon X2 processor family) running an SMP i386 kernel, it does not > happen on x86_64 systems. A patch has just been posted to lkml (by John > Stultz) that should take care of this, but it will take a while for the > stuff to get to the -rtxx patches. > > There is a workaround (thanks to John Stultz) which is to change the > source clock for the timing to something other than the TSC[*]. You can > see which source is being used by typing: > > cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/clocksource > > The default should show something like this: > > acpi_pm jiffies *tsc pit > > note the "*" next to tsc, means it is the one being used. > If you have acpi_pm change the source to it like this: > > echo "acpi_pm">/sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/clocksource > > That should fix the problem you are having. > > You can also add "clocksource=xyz" as a boot time kernel parameter, > where xyz is the source you want to use. > > -- Fernando > > [*] "Time Stamp Clock": on Athlon X2 systems each cpu has its own and > they can drift from each other, software that does not take this into > account gets into big trouble, for example Jack. > > > From cesare at poeticstudios.com Tue Nov 22 04:39:13 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare) Date: Tue Nov 22 04:39:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-20 not seen by alsa in ADVANCED mode - ADDITIONAL INFO In-Reply-To: <1132591743.4381fa7f896a5@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <437D3C43.4060203@poeticstudios.com> <1132298387.437d80939005d@webmail.uni-halle.de> <437E872B.5020102@poeticstudios.com> <437E9620.5050902@poeticstudios.com> <1132591743.4381fa7f896a5@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4382E741.6020902@poeticstudios.com> Thank you very much, Clemens. But what should I get to recompile? Just 'usbquirks.h'? O the whole usb-audio driver source? Cesare Clemens Ladisch wrote: >Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > > >>This is my lsusb -v output: >> >>Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0582:0025 Roland Corp. >> ... >> bcdDevice 1.01 >> ... >> Interface Descriptor: >> bLength 9 >> bDescriptorType 4 >> bInterfaceNumber 1 >> bAlternateSetting 1 >> bNumEndpoints 1 >> bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class >> bInterfaceSubClass 2 >> bInterfaceProtocol 0 >> iInterface 0 >> Endpoint Descriptor: >> bLength 9 >> bDescriptorType 5 >> bEndpointAddress 0x01 EP 1 OUT >> bmAttributes 9 >> Transfer Type Isochronous >> Synch Type Adaptive >> Usage Type Data >> wMaxPacketSize 0x0120 bytes 288 once >> bInterval 1 >> bRefresh 0 >> bSynchAddress 0 >> >> > >It seems some moron at Roland made a new revision of this device and left out >the class-specific descriptors that would have told the driver what sample >format to use. > >I've changed the driver to use a hard-coded sample format for the UA-20. >This should be on the public CVS servers in a hour or so. > > >HTH >Clemens > > > > From clemens at ladisch.de Tue Nov 22 06:55:10 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue Nov 22 06:55:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-20 not seen by alsa in ADVANCED mode - ADDITIONAL INFO In-Reply-To: <4382E741.6020902@poeticstudios.com> References: <437D3C43.4060203@poeticstudios.com> <1132298387.437d80939005d@webmail.uni-halle.de> <437E872B.5020102@poeticstudios.com> <437E9620.5050902@poeticstudios.com> <1132591743.4381fa7f896a5@webmail.uni-halle.de> <4382E741.6020902@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <1132660510.4383071e50548@webmail.uni-halle.de> (please don't top-post) Cesare wrote: > But what should I get to recompile? Just 'usbquirks.h'? It's the only file that changed. HTH Clemens From clemens at ladisch.de Tue Nov 22 06:57:42 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue Nov 22 06:57:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] /etc/modutils/alsa and debian/unstable In-Reply-To: <4382D018.2040507@gmail.com> References: <43822696.9000707@gmail.com> <1132643980.4382c68c98abb@webmail.uni-halle.de> <4382D018.2040507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1132660662.438307b66b8ff@webmail.uni-halle.de> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > > Please check in /sys/module/snd_usb_audio/parameters/* that the parameters > > actually got applied. > > It seems not (although it did get the nrpacks parameter): > > [root@aarhus parameters]# ll; cat * > -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4,0K 2005-11-22 08:57 async_unlink > -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4,0K 2005-11-22 08:57 enable > -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4,0K 2005-11-22 08:57 id > -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4,0K 2005-11-22 08:57 index > -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4,0K 2005-11-22 08:57 nrpacks > -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4,0K 2005-11-22 08:57 pid > -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4,0K 2005-11-22 08:57 vid > Y > Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y > ,,,,,,, > -1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1 > 4 > -1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1 > -1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1 4 is the default for nrpacks; your modutils/alsa tried to set it to 1. I don't know how Debian (tries to) makes sure that those entries end up in /etc/modprobe.conf. You might try to put them there by hand. HTH Clemens From d_baron at 012.net.il Tue Nov 22 08:01:41 2005 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Tue Nov 22 08:01:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Continuing ALSA problems in Debian 2.6.14-2 Message-ID: <200511221501.41707.d_baron@012.net.il> The following is a excerpt from the errors on failing alsa on bootup. These unknown symbols repeat for a bunch of snd_ modules. Nov 22 14:41:56 d_baron kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.6.14-2-686-smp Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: Loaded 21325 symbols from /boot/System.map-2.6.14-2-686-smp. Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: Symbols match kernel version 2.6.14. Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled. Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: nknown symbol snd_unregister_device Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_device_new Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_unregister_ioctl Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_info_create_card_entry Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_device_free Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_card_file_remove Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_info_unregister Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_device_register Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_register_device Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_rawmidi_receive Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_rawmidi_transmit Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_add Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_new Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_card_register Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_card_free Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_preallocate_pages_for_all Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_card_proc_new Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_ac97_mixer Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_ac97_bus Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_set_sync Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_new1 Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_constraint_ratdens Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_card_new Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_iprintf Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_malloc_pages Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_ioctl Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_free_pages Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_set_ops Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_device_new Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_rawmidi_new Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_rawmidi_set_ops Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_preallocate_free_for_all Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_constraint_ratnums Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_period_elapsed Nov 22 14:41:57 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_format_width How can this be fixed? From cesare at poeticstudios.com Tue Nov 22 08:28:37 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare) Date: Tue Nov 22 08:28:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-20 not seen by alsa in ADVANCED mode - ADDITIONAL INFO In-Reply-To: <1132660510.4383071e50548@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <437D3C43.4060203@poeticstudios.com> <1132298387.437d80939005d@webmail.uni-halle.de> <437E872B.5020102@poeticstudios.com> <437E9620.5050902@poeticstudios.com> <1132591743.4381fa7f896a5@webmail.uni-halle.de> <4382E741.6020902@poeticstudios.com> <1132660510.4383071e50548@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <43831D05.1090008@poeticstudios.com> Clemens Ladisch wrote: >(please don't top-post) > > Sorry. :-[ c. >Cesare wrote: > > >>But what should I get to recompile? Just 'usbquirks.h'? >> >> >It's the only file that changed. > > >HTH >Clemens > > > > From ejdem at o2.pl Tue Nov 22 09:57:40 2005 From: ejdem at o2.pl (=?iso-8859-2?Q?ejdem?=) Date: Tue Nov 22 09:57:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to turn 5.1 on ALC655? Message-ID: <20051122145740.5B5C354099@rekin17.go2.pl> Hi there. I have a little problem with my soundcard. It's onboard Realtek ALC655 AC97 codec Chip on Gigabyte GA-7VT600 1394 (more infos on http://www.gigabyte.pl/MotherBoard/Products/Products_Spec_GA-7VT600% 201394.htm) and I'm using Mandrakelinux 10.1 (Official) with kernel 2.6.12.3, KDE 3.4.1 (with arts) and ALSA 1.0.10 + Soundblaster 1024 Player (aka SB Live! Value [CT4832]) and I have two questions: 1). how to turn on 5.1 surround sound system in ALC655 ? I've found one site about it (http://alsa.opensrc.org/Alsa) and I've tried to do this... but it doesn't work. 2). and how to (is it possible anyway?) to use both sndcards simultaneously as one card? I want to use ALC655 as a 5.1 sndcard and my SB as 4 speakers (2 speakers + headphones) and mic-in. I know it sounds crazy, but if someone can help me I'll be grateful :) Thanks, I hope someone can help me :) From illth at gmx.de Tue Nov 22 11:19:50 2005 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Tue Nov 22 11:19:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to turn 5.1 on ALC655? In-Reply-To: <20051122145740.5B5C354099@rekin17.go2.pl> References: <20051122145740.5B5C354099@rekin17.go2.pl> Message-ID: <43834526.5060004@gmx.de> ejdem schrieb: >Hi there. > >I have a little problem with my soundcard. It's onboard Realtek >ALC655 AC97 codec Chip on Gigabyte GA-7VT600 1394 (more infos on >http://www.gigabyte.pl/MotherBoard/Products/Products_Spec_GA-7VT600% >201394.htm) and I'm using Mandrakelinux 10.1 (Official) with kernel >2.6.12.3, KDE 3.4.1 (with arts) and ALSA 1.0.10 + Soundblaster 1024 >Player (aka SB Live! Value [CT4832]) and I have two questions: > >1). how to turn on 5.1 surround sound system in ALC655 ? I've found >one site about it (http://alsa.opensrc.org/Alsa) and I've tried to >do this... but it doesn't work. > > what did you try? i have no idea about the satus of via chipset + Realtek AC97, all i can tell you, i got 5.1 sound on a nvidia + CMI AC97 combination. to achieve it, i used alsamixer (runs in Xterm, but has a ncurses "graphical" interface) this gave me some toggles to switch line-in to line-out2 and mic-in to line-out3. >2). and how to (is it possible anyway?) to use both sndcards >simultaneously as one card? I want to use ALC655 as a 5.1 sndcard >and my SB as 4 speakers (2 speakers + headphones) and mic-in. > > this is basically possible by editing the .asoundrc file. You can use google to look for information about this topic, BUT: the real problem is, that the clocks of the two soundcards are unsynced. both cards have an own crystal oszillator that creates a frequency from which the 44100 kHz audio sample frequency is derived. now the two crystall have some tollerance, like +- 10 ppm (ie +- 0,0001%) (or maybe better). but the clue is: one soundcard might not run at 44100 Hz, but on 44101 Hz, while the other runs, say, on on 44099 Hz. To play some billions of samples (like some hours music) this can sum up to seconds of latency, which means that after playing several hours of music, the channels may be out of sync for a second or so. >I know it sounds crazy, but if someone can help me I'll be grateful > :) > >Thanks, I hope someone can help me :) > > > > From clemens at ladisch.de Tue Nov 22 11:47:12 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue Nov 22 11:47:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Continuing ALSA problems in Debian 2.6.14-2 In-Reply-To: <200511221501.41707.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <200511221501.41707.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <1132678032.43834b90bcc9d@webmail.uni-halle.de> David Baron wrote: > kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_device_new This usually indicates that the modules weren't compiled against the correct kernel. > kernel: No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled. But this looks like something else. Are modules enabled in the kernel? Regards, Clemens From d_baron at 012.net.il Tue Nov 22 12:11:53 2005 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Tue Nov 22 12:12:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Continuing ALSA problems in Debian =?iso-8859-1?q?=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A02=2E6=2E14-2?= In-Reply-To: <200511221705.jAMH2ist026998@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200511221705.jAMH2ist026998@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200511221911.53783.d_baron@012.net.il> On Tuesday 22 November 2005 19:05, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > > kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_device_new > > This usually indicates that the modules weren't compiled against the > correct kernel. > > > kernel: No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled. > > But this looks like something else. ?Are modules enabled in the kernel? But ... but ... this is a stock kernel off Debian SId! From j_zar at openjay.org Tue Nov 22 23:04:20 2005 From: j_zar at openjay.org (J_Zar) Date: Tue Nov 22 16:04:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Best soundcard for DJing with Linux (Poll) In-Reply-To: References: <200511090137.33399.j_zar@openjay.org> <200511091903.34777.j_zar@openjay.org> Message-ID: <200511222204.20975.j_zar@openjay.org> Hi Loki... Sorry if I'm late! I published your point of view as you suggested and I answered to you here: http://www.openjay.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=96 Cheers, Alle 02:22, gioved? 10 novembre 2005, Loki Davison ha scritto: > On 11/10/05, J_Zar wrote: > > Alle 11:09, mercoled? 09 novembre 2005, Esben Stien ha scritto: > > > OT: It's really sad that a community portal has ads. > > > > Really OT: Quite true.. But it's really sad to manage a community portal > > without any cash input to pay the efforts! Efforts are: time, code, > > service I suppose that service / contents of OpenJay.org is not good > > enough to gain > > This is a bit of rant.... > > I really wonder what people are looking for in a sound card for one. > Any "openjay" should really be given this advice to start with. > > Buy a mixer. > Any application that suggests it is a good idea to use the built in > (i.e computer) mixer/eq/effects etc is well, in my opinion deluded at > best. It's like suggesting to use the computer keyboard for playing a > piano synth. Then what you look for on a card are 2 stereo outs to go > to your mixer. I REALLY suggest some of the developers of the limited > number of dj apps for linux really need to learn how to dj first, on > standard equipment. By this i mean a mixer and sl1200's (or copy of if > can't borrow/limited for cash) or if that's not possible, a worse > option, a mixer and standard club cdj's. > > Dj apps really should be modeled on turntables or cdj's. Something > proved to be useful. Anything you can't do on a turntable is pretty > much pointless for djing. A pitch range of > 8% is not in any way a > good idea. If i get outside of +-5% it would be a freak occurrence. > I've actually used djplay http://djplay.sourceforge.net/ in a small > gig. I had my mixer, 2 sl1200's but a very limited collection of vinyl > as i was travelling internationally. I used djplay as a substitute for > a cdj. It wasn't too bad for that, and much more suitable than the > other apps i've used, but in no way to the standard of a cheap > turntable/cdj. > > All linux dj apps seem to have problem with cueing well. By this i > mean finding the first cue point, were to release from in normal vinyl > speak. On a cdj or vinyl these are scrub over the beat you want and > release the vinyl or press cue on a cdj, in time with the beat on the > other deck. Try doing this on any linux dj app. > > Accuracy for pitch is also very limited. For correcting in the mix > (after i had the tunes beatmatched and live, i.e both together) i > would have to correct the vinyl copy not the djplay copy, as small > pitch changes, i.e 0.1% smoothly is VERY hard with current linux dj > apps. > > In regard to cdj/turntable focus, effects are useless. If people want > to use effects, they can either route the output of the dj prog > through om or jack-rack, or effects loop on there mixer through om or > jack-rack. However neither of these are a good idea, as effects are > really not a good idea in djing, unless you are really to the level > where you can mix perfectly while playing with the effects. After 5 or > 6 years of djing (vinyl) for minimum one hour per day, i am not to > this stage. Layering accapellas, etc is much more fun. > > I'm happy to help with any djing questions, however i'm really > wondering why none of this style of info is at openjay.org. If you > want to put my suggestions there, feel free. > > end rant! > > Loki -- Gianluca Romanin (aka J_Zar) From torbenh at gmx.de Tue Nov 22 17:47:03 2005 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Tue Nov 22 17:28:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] networking jack In-Reply-To: <200511201323.19350.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> References: <200511201323.19350.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20051122224703.GB4446@mobilat> On Sun, Nov 20, 2005 at 01:23:19PM +0100, conrad berh?rster wrote: > Hello all, > > did anyone know, if there is a possibility to run jack in the network. I don't > mean as a streaming client, but as sync server. the scenario should be, > standing in a group with 2 or 3 computers making music together in a sync, > like MIDI sequencers can do. working on it... current state is in the cvs of of www.sf.net/projects/netjack -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Nov 22 19:15:19 2005 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Nov 22 19:10:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More guitars Message-ID: <20051123001519.GA14547@phlunky.Belkin> Hello again, peeps. Well, still the same number of guitars, really (that is, one of them), but more music made with it. http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2005/11/more-music-more-guitar-less-giggles.html Comments are welcome. Don't hold back - I'm not easily offended. James -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From t_w_ at freenet.de Wed Nov 23 04:14:43 2005 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Wed Nov 23 04:14:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More guitars In-Reply-To: <20051123001519.GA14547@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20051123001519.GA14547@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20051123091443.GB7181@charly.SWORD> On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 12:15:19AM +0000, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2005/11/more-music-more-guitar-less-giggles.html > > Comments are welcome. Don't hold back - I'm not easily offended. Hmm. The guitar sounds overly metallic and thin. Lacking any experience with recording instruments, I don't know what you could do about it at that stage, but I would try the tube-warmth ladspa and EQing on what you have. Nice mood and good drum programming. The guitar gets on my nerves after a while, though. Thanks for sharing! --- Thorsten Wilms From james at dis-dot-dat.net Wed Nov 23 05:00:09 2005 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Wed Nov 23 04:55:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More guitars In-Reply-To: <20051123091443.GB7181@charly.SWORD> References: <20051123001519.GA14547@phlunky.Belkin> <20051123091443.GB7181@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20051123100009.GM16229@phlunky.Belkin> On Wed, 23 Nov, 2005 at 10:14AM +0100, Thorsten Wilms spake thus: > On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 12:15:19AM +0000, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2005/11/more-music-more-guitar-less-giggles.html > > > > Comments are welcome. Don't hold back - I'm not easily offended. > > > Hmm. The guitar sounds overly metallic and thin. Lacking any > experience with recording instruments, I don't know what you > could do about it at that stage, but I would try the tube-warmth > ladspa and EQing on what you have. > > Nice mood and good drum programming. The guitar gets on my > nerves after a while, though. Hehe, it's a cheap guitar recorded through the mic input of an ancient SBLive. Complete with hissing. > > Thanks for sharing! Thanks for listening! > Thorsten Wilms > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From tito at rumford.de Wed Nov 23 05:31:38 2005 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Wed Nov 23 05:32:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Good read: James Jamerson -- Interview With Message-ID: <200511231131.38249.tito@rumford.de> The Ghost Of Studio A X-BeenThere: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: A list for linux audio users List-Id: A list for linux audio users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:32:04 -0000 Reading Berry Gordy's "To Be Loved" I started digging into Motown stuff and came across Jamerson, a bass titan. The ghost interview is great: http://www.bassland.net/jamerson-bp-1990.htm Wolfgang From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Nov 23 07:34:42 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Nov 23 07:20:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More guitars In-Reply-To: <20051123001519.GA14547@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20051123001519.GA14547@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <438461E2.8050602@woh.rr.com> james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: >Hello again, peeps. > >Well, still the same number of guitars, really (that is, one of them), >but more music made with it. > >http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2005/11/more-music-more-guitar-less-giggles.html > >Comments are welcome. Don't hold back - I'm not easily offended. > > Hi James: The drums are nice. Is that Slat I hear there ? If so, I'm gonna have to try it myself, it has a great sound. I agree/disagree with Thorsten about the guitar sound. It does sound thin and metallic, but you could turn that into a virtue by exploiting it more for a strummed dulcimer-like sound. Don't hold back. Make more music. :) Best, dp From pgclarke at beeb.net Wed Nov 23 10:23:27 2005 From: pgclarke at beeb.net (Peter Clarke) Date: Wed Nov 23 10:23:42 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Problems with Novation Speedio In-Reply-To: <200511201648.jAKGmOsr024114@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200511201648.jAKGmOsr024114@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200511232323.28434.pgclarke@beeb.net> > Does "aplay something.wav" work? > > What are the contents of /proc/asound/cardX/stream0? Thanks for the suggestions so far. I haven't been able to figure out how to play through the Speedio without running Jack. Running in XMMS (the GUI part), I can select the ALSA driver as the output plugin, then select "Speedio: USB Audio (hw:1,0)" for output. But when I hit play, I get an error: "Failed to open audio output". In fact, I get this error with any ALSA output choice except "default PCM output" (which plays fine through my regular soundcard). I turned next to aplay. This is the output of aplay -l: **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 0: CMI8738MC6 [C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC6], device 0: CMI8738-MC6 [C-Media PCI DAC/ADC] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: CMI8738MC6 [C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC6], device 1: CMI8738-MC6 [C-Media PCI 2nd DAC] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: CMI8738MC6 [C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC6], device 2: CMI8738-MC6 [C-Media PCI IEC958] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: Speedio [Speedio], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 0/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 If I run aplay somefile.wav, with no other parameters, it plays fine through the regular soundcard. But if I try aplay -Dhw:1,0 somefile.wav, I get an error: "Sample format non [sic] available". I tried -f cd and all available 24 bit formats with the -f switch (since Jack thinks the Speedio is a 24 bit device) but none worked. The output of /proc/asound/card1/stream0 is: Novation EMS Speedio at usb-0000:00:03.1-2, full speed : USB Audio Playback: Status: Stop Interface 1 Altset 1 Format: S24_3LE Channels: 2 Endpoint: 1 OUT (ADAPTIVE) Rates: 44100, 48000 Capture: Status: Stop Interface 2 Altset 1 Format: S24_3LE Channels: 2 Endpoint: 2 IN (SYNC) Rates: 44100, 48000 I guess that's telling me the correct format to use with aplay is S24_3LE, so I tried this again. It gave me the message "Warning: format is changed to S16_LE" and then, as before, "Sample format non available". Sorry if these are elementary misunderstandings on my part - this is all a bit new to me. Any more ideas of things to try? Regards, Peter C From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Nov 23 10:51:08 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Nov 23 10:36:52 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux soundapps pages updated Message-ID: <43848FEC.4070501@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Once again, the inevitable update: http://linuxsound.atnet.at (Europe) http://linuxsound.jp (Japan) http://linux-sound.org (US) No Musings column this time. :( Lots of nice New Additions. :) Best, dp From bwanab+lau at juraview.com Wed Nov 23 11:27:23 2005 From: bwanab+lau at juraview.com (Bill Allen) Date: Wed Nov 23 11:27:42 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music Message-ID: <4384986B.3040106@juraview.com> Hi. My first composition completely done with Ardour and other free software. I'm still not completely satisfied with the mix, but it's almost there. Comments welcome. http://juraview.com/Bills_Music.html Regards, Bill From clemens at ladisch.de Wed Nov 23 12:28:19 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Wed Nov 23 12:28:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Problems with Novation Speedio In-Reply-To: <200511232323.28434.pgclarke@beeb.net> References: <200511201648.jAKGmOsr024114@roar.music.columbia.edu> <200511232323.28434.pgclarke@beeb.net> Message-ID: <1132766899.4384a6b36239e@webmail.uni-halle.de> Peter Clarke wrote: > > Does "aplay something.wav" work? > > Running in XMMS (the GUI part), I can select the ALSA driver as the output > plugin, then select "Speedio: USB Audio (hw:1,0)" for output. This is an XMMS bug; the "hw" devices are for direct hardware access. > If I run aplay somefile.wav, with no other parameters, it > plays fine through the regular soundcard. But if I try > aplay -Dhw:1,0 somefile.wav, I get an error: "Sample format > non [sic] available". To automatically convert the sample format, use "plughw:1". HTH Clemens From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Nov 23 14:17:58 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Nov 23 14:18:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Problems with Novation Speedio In-Reply-To: <200511232323.28434.pgclarke@beeb.net> References: <200511201648.jAKGmOsr024114@roar.music.columbia.edu> <200511232323.28434.pgclarke@beeb.net> Message-ID: <1132773479.10453.11.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 23:23 +0800, Peter Clarke wrote: > But if I try > aplay -Dhw:1,0 somefile.wav, I get an error: "Sample format > non [sic] available". aplay -Dplughw:1,0 somefile.wav. It sounds like XMMS just enumerates the hw devices to populate its ALSA device selector. This is completely broken behavior, it should at least give you the choice of plughw devices. Lee From terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net Wed Nov 23 10:45:35 2005 From: terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net (Terrence) Date: Wed Nov 23 14:48:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 Message-ID: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> Hello, all, Does anyone know if there's a way to convert text files to MP3s in Linux? I'd like to be able to take some of my text files and make audio out of them so I can listen to them while walking. Thanks, Terrence From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 23 14:59:53 2005 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Wed Nov 23 14:59:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] vkeybd and qsynth Message-ID: <20051123195953.57749.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> I have a soundfont loaded in qsynth. QSynth lists channels, programs, and banks. For instance, FM Bells is Channel 1, Program 0 and Bank 0. The drum sounds are similar, Channel 1, Program 0, and Bank 128. Does anybody know how to connect vkeybd (Virtual Keyboard) to qsynth bank 128? Thank you for any insight. __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From ce at christeck.de Wed Nov 23 15:24:41 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Wed Nov 23 15:24:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 In-Reply-To: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> References: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> Message-ID: <200511232124.42418.ce@christeck.de> > I'd like to be able to take some of my text files and make > audio out of them so I can listen to them while walking. Embrola? Best regards ce From djaquay at gmail.com Wed Nov 23 16:02:19 2005 From: djaquay at gmail.com (David Jaquay) Date: Wed Nov 23 16:02:23 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 In-Reply-To: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> References: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> Message-ID: Festival is good for this, as well as embrola (which somebody else already suggested). Dave On 11/23/05, Terrence wrote: > Hello, all, > Does anyone know if there's a way to convert text files to MP3s > in Linux? I'd like to be able to take some of my text files and make > audio out of them so I can listen to them while walking. > > Thanks, > Terrence > > From tito at rumford.de Wed Nov 23 17:09:31 2005 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Wed Nov 23 17:10:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 In-Reply-To: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> References: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> Message-ID: <200511232309.31256.tito@rumford.de> Terrence : > Hello, all, > Does anyone know if there's a way to convert text files to MP3s > in Linux? I'd like to be able to take some of my text files and make > audio out of them so I can listen to them while walking. "mbrola" (free-beer license, closed source from academic sector) takes a list of phonemes as input to create audio output. So you need a language specific text-to-phonemes tool. The mbrola site has links for those (festival, txt2pho etc.). To turn textfiles into ogg/mp3 you would setup a chain of shell pipes like cat textfile | txt2pho | mbrola voicefile - - | encoder http://tcts.fpms.ac.be/synthesis/mbrola.html Are you a noisecore person? You'd then just get rid of parts 2 and 3 of that very chain of course. Wolfgang From terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net Wed Nov 23 13:45:03 2005 From: terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net (Terrence) Date: Wed Nov 23 17:48:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 In-Reply-To: <200511232309.31256.tito@rumford.de> References: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> <200511232309.31256.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <17284.47279.805125.33461@www.terrencevak.net> Wolfgang Woehl writes: > cat textfile | txt2pho | mbrola voicefile - - | encoder > ... > Are you a noisecore person? ... I'm not familiar with noisecore. Is that another encoder? I tried doing: cat an.txt | festival --tts | mbrola test.mp3 - - | lame - but it just did a little encoding that sent the results to the screen. Am I missing something, or misinterpreting something? Thanks, Terrence From tito at rumford.de Wed Nov 23 18:42:24 2005 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Wed Nov 23 18:42:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 In-Reply-To: <17284.47279.805125.33461@www.terrencevak.net> References: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> <200511232309.31256.tito@rumford.de> <17284.47279.805125.33461@www.terrencevak.net> Message-ID: <200511240041.12025.tito@rumford.de> Terrence : > Wolfgang Woehl writes: > > cat textfile | txt2pho | mbrola voicefile - - | encoder > I tried doing: > cat an.txt | festival --tts | mbrola test.mp3 - - | lame - ^^^^^^^^ Syntax is "mbrola " So you would say something like ... | mbrola en1 - - | ... > but it just did a little encoding that sent the results to the > screen. Am I missing something, or misinterpreting something? I don't know. Me not using lame cause mp3 so lame. But you will probably have to tell it that the input is raw pcm, maybe the samplerate that comes out of mbrola and a name for the file lame is supposed to lame, err, create. Manpage has details, I'm so sure :) Wolfgang From terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net Wed Nov 23 20:01:51 2005 From: terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net (Terrence) Date: Thu Nov 24 00:05:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 In-Reply-To: <200511240041.12025.tito@rumford.de> References: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> <200511232309.31256.tito@rumford.de> <17284.47279.805125.33461@www.terrencevak.net> <200511240041.12025.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <17285.4351.454691.220413@www.terrencevak.net> Which does the "voice file" and "phoneme file" refer to? Are those the text and MP3 files? Thanks, Terrence From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Thu Nov 24 04:28:59 2005 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (lilli chiffon) Date: Thu Nov 24 04:27:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello !! Message-ID: <1132824539.6905.5.camel@yo-machine> Hi everybody, I'm a new one on this list, excuse-me for my english it's not my natural languange (I've got many red line under this word) This message is a test and a hello. see you. P'tit Louis From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Nov 24 04:37:58 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Thu Nov 24 04:38:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello !! In-Reply-To: <1132824539.6905.5.camel@yo-machine> References: <1132824539.6905.5.camel@yo-machine> Message-ID: <20051124103758.629f3677@mango.fruits.de> On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:28:59 +0100 lilli chiffon wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I'm a new one on this list, excuse-me for my english it's not my natural > languange (I've got many red line under this word) > > This message is a test and a hello. Hi :) it's "native language". SCNR Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From tito at rumford.de Thu Nov 24 05:21:08 2005 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Thu Nov 24 05:21:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Good read: James Jamerson -- Interview With The Ghost Of Studio A In-Reply-To: <200511231250.39598.versuchsanstalt@gmx.de> References: <200511231131.38249.tito@rumford.de> <200511231250.39598.versuchsanstalt@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200511241041.32649.tito@rumford.de> Burkhard Woelfel : > On Wednesday 23 November 2005 11:31, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > Reading Berry Gordy's "To Be Loved" I started digging into Motown > > stuff and came across Jamerson, a bass titan. The ghost interview > > is great: > > > > http://www.bassland.net/jamerson-bp-1990.htm > Hey, wenn Du jetzt gesagt h?ttest "H?re in letzter Zeit viel Motown", > dann h?tte ich bestimmt gemeint "Yeah, James Jamerson, der kommt > gut." Now that I listened again and closer to Jamerson's work some of it sounds like black magic to me. The simple fact that he plucked all this with his index finger exclusively makes me wanna cry really. Burkhard, you play bass too? Wolfgang From tito at rumford.de Thu Nov 24 05:31:55 2005 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Thu Nov 24 05:32:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 In-Reply-To: <17285.4351.454691.220413@www.terrencevak.net> References: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> <200511240041.12025.tito@rumford.de> <17285.4351.454691.220413@www.terrencevak.net> Message-ID: <200511241130.33389.tito@rumford.de> Terrence : > Which does the "voice file" and "phoneme file" refer to? Are > those the text and MP3 files? Terrence, there really is no way around reading up on the mbrola stuff. Read "mbrola -h" and the webpage. You need a "voice" so that mbrola can say something. See the mbrola pages for links to voices. All this is not related to mp3 at all. The basic dataflow is 1. Transform a textfile into a list of phonemes that 2. mbrola understands and turns into audio data which 3. You can then pick up and do with it whatever Wolfgang From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Nov 24 06:48:50 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Nov 24 06:48:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Good read: James Jamerson -- Interview With The Ghost Of Studio A In-Reply-To: <200511241041.32649.tito@rumford.de> References: <200511231131.38249.tito@rumford.de> <200511231250.39598.versuchsanstalt@gmx.de> <200511241041.32649.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <200511241148.51233.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 24 November 2005 10:21, Wolfgang Woehl was like: > Burkhard Woelfel : > > On Wednesday 23 November 2005 11:31, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > > Reading Berry Gordy's "To Be Loved" I started digging into Motown > > > stuff and came across Jamerson, a bass titan. The ghost interview > > > is great: > > > > > > http://www.bassland.net/jamerson-bp-1990.htm > > > > Hey, wenn Du jetzt gesagt h?ttest "H?re in letzter Zeit viel Motown", > > dann h?tte ich bestimmt gemeint "Yeah, James Jamerson, der kommt > > gut." > > Now that I listened again and closer to Jamerson's work some of it > sounds like black magic to me. The simple fact that he plucked all this > with his index finger exclusively makes me wanna cry really. Burkhard, > you play bass too? Great article. Being a mere mortal I shall continue to use three fingers, however. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From pgclarke at beeb.net Thu Nov 24 06:49:50 2005 From: pgclarke at beeb.net (Peter Clarke) Date: Thu Nov 24 06:49:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Problems with Novation Speedio In-Reply-To: <200511241034.jAOAYHsr003017@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200511241034.jAOAYHsr003017@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200511241949.50355.pgclarke@beeb.net> >From Clemens and Lee: > aplay -Dplughw:1,0 somefile.wav. OK, that produces output from the Speedio, but - guess what - still garbled, just like before (too slow, too low pitch, crackly). Peter C From karlkawada at wanadoo.fr Thu Nov 24 07:08:01 2005 From: karlkawada at wanadoo.fr (Europeen) Date: Thu Nov 24 07:06:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ShakeTracker : [midioutdevicemanager.o] Erreur 1 Message-ID: <4385AD21.7080902@wanadoo.fr> Hello ! Well, I saw a old old message about ShakeTracker 0.4.6 and the same problem, but I don't understand how to resolve this : bash-3.00$ make Making all in trackercore make[1]: Entering directory `/home/kawada/000_go_stockage/XLinux/Compilations/shaketracker-0.4.6/trackercore' c++ -DPACKAGE=\"shaketracker\" -DVERSION=\"0.4.6\" -I. -I. -I/usr/lib/sigc++-1.0/include -I/usr/include/sigc++-1.0 -I/usr/lib/gtkmm/include -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/lib/sigc++-1.0/include -I/usr/include/sigc++-1.0 -DPOSIX_ENABLED -DALSA_ENABLED -g3 -c midioutdevicemanager.cpp In file included from midioutdevicemanager.h:20, from midioutdevicemanager.cpp:18: midioutdevice.h:33: error: `string' does not name a type midioutdevice.h:34: error: `string' does not name a type midioutdevice.h:43: error: `string' does not name a type midioutdevice.h:44: error: `string' does not name a type midioutdevice.h:47: error: `string' does not name a type In file included from midioutdevicemanager.cpp:18: midioutdevicemanager.h:39: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `vector' with no type midioutdevicemanager.h:39: error: expected `;' before '<' token midioutdevicemanager.h:50: error: `string' does not name a type midioutdevicemanager.h:52: error: `string' does not name a type midioutdevicemanager.h:53: error: `string' does not name a type midioutdevicemanager.cpp: In member function `int MidiOutDeviceManager::real_device(unsigned int)': midioutdevicemanager.cpp:23: error: `subdev_vector' undeclared (first use this function) midioutdevicemanager.cpp:23: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) midioutdevicemanager.cpp: In member function `int MidiOutDeviceManager::real_subdevice(unsigned int)': midioutdevicemanager.cpp:30: error: `subdev_vector' undeclared (first use this function) midioutdevicemanager.cpp: At global scope: midioutdevicemanager.cpp:53: error: `string' does not name a type midioutdevicemanager.cpp:58: error: `string' does not name a type midioutdevicemanager.cpp:64: error: `string' does not name a type midioutdevicemanager.cpp: In member function `int MidiOutDeviceManager::GetDevicesCount()': midioutdevicemanager.cpp:71: error: `subdev_vector' undeclared (first use this function) midioutdevicemanager.cpp: In member function `void MidiOutDeviceManager::regenerate_subdev_vector()': midioutdevicemanager.cpp:180: error: `subdev_vector' undeclared (first use this function) make[1]: *** [midioutdevicemanager.o] Erreur 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/kawada/000_go_stockage/XLinux/Compilations/shaketracker-0.4.6/trackercore' make: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 'string' error I suppose but what shall I do ? Thanks, STan. From terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net Thu Nov 24 05:12:08 2005 From: terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net (Terrence) Date: Thu Nov 24 09:15:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 In-Reply-To: <200511241130.33389.tito@rumford.de> References: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> <200511240041.12025.tito@rumford.de> <17285.4351.454691.220413@www.terrencevak.net> <200511241130.33389.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <17285.37368.275125.32816@www.terrencevak.net> Wolfgang Woehl writes: > Terrence : > > Which does the "voice file" and "phoneme file" refer to? Are > > those the text and MP3 files? > > Terrence, there really is no way around reading up on the mbrola stuff. > Read "mbrola -h" and the webpage. You need a "voice" so that mbrola can > say something. See the mbrola pages for links to voices. All this is > not related to mp3 at all. > > The basic dataflow is > 1. Transform a textfile into a list of phonemes that > 2. mbrola understands and turns into audio data which > 3. You can then pick up and do with it whatever > > Wolfgang > OK, from reading what you've said, and from reading the MBROLA web page, it seems I need an actual phoneme database file. I'm on the synthesis page, but only see a bunch of .wav file links and a nav bar. Am I looking in the wrong place, or looking at it wrong? Also, what is noisecore? Thanks, Terrence From smassy at sdf.lonestar.org Thu Nov 24 10:20:18 2005 From: smassy at sdf.lonestar.org (S. Massy) Date: Thu Nov 24 10:20:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Resources on digital audio theory Message-ID: <20051124152018.GA28998@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Hi, Me again, it seems... This is partly off-topic, not being strictly linux-related, but I figured one of you was bound to know the answer to that one. I'm looking for a simple reference or primer to digital audio; something that wouldn't be language specific, but which would just cover the basics, like sound generation, key parameters, and so forth. I'm not looking for a book here, just some simple online resource that would send me on my way and allow me to go to other more complete resources, should I need to. Thanks, S.M. -- smassy@sdf.lonestar.org From m_nels at gmx.net Thu Nov 24 10:31:22 2005 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Thu Nov 24 10:31:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 In-Reply-To: <17285.37368.275125.32816@www.terrencevak.net> References: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> <200511240041.12025.tito@rumford.de> <17285.4351.454691.220413@www.terrencevak.net> <200511241130.33389.tito@rumford.de> <17285.37368.275125.32816@www.terrencevak.net> Message-ID: <4385DCCA.3050709@gmx.net> Terrence wrote: > Also, what is noisecore? It's a style of music, generally involving the creation of lots of distorted sounds & noise. Basically, the original use of the word in this thread was because the guy was trying to account for all possibilities... He was wondering if you wanted to convert the text directly to audio - without using conventional speech synthesis techniques. It's just another interesting way of creating sound. I guess it may have been partly in jest. Regards Michael Nelson From conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de Thu Nov 24 10:49:03 2005 From: conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de (conrad =?iso-8859-1?q?berh=F6rster?=) Date: Thu Nov 24 10:48:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Echo Gina3G Message-ID: <200511241649.05822.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Hello all, sorry for crossposting. Is there any experience with the Echo Gina3G card. link: http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/PCI/Gina3G/ thanks c~ From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Nov 24 11:49:38 2005 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Nov 24 11:49:52 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Good read: James Jamerson -- Interview With The Ghost Of Studio A In-Reply-To: <200511241148.51233.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <200511231131.38249.tito@rumford.de> <200511231250.39598.versuchsanstalt@gmx.de> <200511241041.32649.tito@rumford.de> <200511241148.51233.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20051124164937.GB9128@slinkp.com> On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 11:48:50AM +0000, tim hall wrote: > Great article. > Being a mere mortal I shall continue to use three fingers, however. Yeah, good one. I've been getting by with two fingers for twenty years. Well, thumb too. Lotta bassists in here :) -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Thu Nov 24 11:56:31 2005 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Thu Nov 24 11:55:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Resources on digital audio theory In-Reply-To: <20051124152018.GA28998@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20051124152018.GA28998@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Message-ID: <4385F0BF.50608@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! > figured one of you was bound to know the answer to that one. I'm looking > for a simple reference or primer to digital audio; something that > wouldn't be language specific, but which would just cover the basics, > like sound generation, key parameters, and so forth. I'm not looking for > a book here, just some simple online resource that would send me on my > way and allow me to go to other more complete resources, should I need > to. a free online book by Miller Puckette (author of PD and MAX): http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques.htm always explains all the stuff in general and then shows implementations in PD ... LG Georg From fbar at footils.org Thu Nov 24 12:21:17 2005 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Nov 24 12:21:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Resources on digital audio theory In-Reply-To: <4385F0BF.50608@student.kug.ac.at> References: <20051124152018.GA28998@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <4385F0BF.50608@student.kug.ac.at> Message-ID: <20051124172117.GC11151@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Georg Holzmann hat gesagt: // Georg Holzmann wrote: > a free online book by Miller Puckette (author of PD and MAX): > > http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques.htm > > always explains all the stuff in general and then shows implementations > in PD ... I second that. Also understanding a bit of DSP can be quite useful, for that the www.dspguide.com is really wonderful. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From ats at offog.org Thu Nov 24 11:11:55 2005 From: ats at offog.org (Adam Sampson) Date: Thu Nov 24 12:33:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Resources on digital audio theory In-Reply-To: <20051124152018.GA28998@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> (S. Massy's message of "Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:20:18 +0000") References: <20051124152018.GA28998@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Message-ID: "S. Massy" writes: > I'm looking for a simple reference or primer to digital audio; > something that wouldn't be language specific, but which would just > cover the basics, like sound generation, key parameters, and so > forth. It may not be quite what you're looking for, but I've found Miller Puckette's "Theory and Techniques of Electronic Music" site excellent. http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/ -- Adam Sampson From terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net Thu Nov 24 08:43:49 2005 From: terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net (Terrence) Date: Thu Nov 24 12:47:33 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 In-Reply-To: <4385DCCA.3050709@gmx.net> References: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> <200511240041.12025.tito@rumford.de> <17285.4351.454691.220413@www.terrencevak.net> <200511241130.33389.tito@rumford.de> <17285.37368.275125.32816@www.terrencevak.net> <4385DCCA.3050709@gmx.net> Message-ID: <17285.50069.464779.982084@www.terrencevak.net> Gotcha! Yeah, I've done that just to see what would happen, taking a text file and "cat"ing it out to /dev/dsp. I've actually sort of produced some funky broken chords doing that. Terrence From versuchsanstalt at gmx.de Thu Nov 24 12:52:39 2005 From: versuchsanstalt at gmx.de (Burkhard Woelfel) Date: Thu Nov 24 12:53:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT Good read: James Jamerson -- Interview With The Ghost Of Studio A In-Reply-To: <200511241041.32649.tito@rumford.de> References: <200511231131.38249.tito@rumford.de> <200511231250.39598.versuchsanstalt@gmx.de> <200511241041.32649.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <200511241852.45766.versuchsanstalt@gmx.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 24 November 2005 11:21, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > Burkhard Woelfel : > > On Wednesday 23 November 2005 11:31, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > > Reading Berry Gordy's "To Be Loved" I started digging into Motown > > > stuff and came across Jamerson, a bass titan. The ghost interview > > > is great: > > > > > > http://www.bassland.net/jamerson-bp-1990.htm > > > > Hey, wenn Du jetzt gesagt h?ttest "H?re in letzter Zeit viel Motown", > > dann h?tte ich bestimmt gemeint "Yeah, James Jamerson, der kommt > > gut." > > Now that I listened again and closer to Jamerson's work some of it > sounds like black magic to me. The simple fact that he plucked all this > with his index finger exclusively makes me wanna cry really. Makes me think of Dizzy Gillespie's technique of playing the trumpet. As if it wasn't enough to just play that stuff. No, there's got to be a way to make it even more impossible. > Burkhard, > you play bass too? It's my favourite instrument, yes :-) - - Burkhard > > Wolfgang - -- Libre Audio, Libre Video, Libre Software: www.AGNULA.org Public key available here: key FP 0A65 5E83 F44F 47A5 3DFC 19C5 7779 E411 FD82 303B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ4X97WA1EUeMSxn+AQLk3gf8ClA31iDjIylwQuuT00EkVJNwXpUD8gDp EO3iS3JfynfPzbRbrXTCKckfQx8Qhq8Xqu1WMGSrUi32xL5pWWK3dAP1dueySXCl rNObA4hMwoSOhAOm9qvkUJfQjYL9R9hUcHQJidpMV1BGBPb5WBAd5dQ7KOcP/avA Uiti5potpUFHWBn6tK6GqtxqAcMDsKlkWelk2pZY7dkVZd8rZhlSh6OH73T87E3M n27WDDAr4RS1qGmGSzKg37qpT4uzPWLyBCEI7HPs1qUT5/LariHnGk5P14uoOZmL xWe4shQDRN8q22kVdd52T4rWLnndMoJASahgsu83CRNpxT15YFnoRg== =ZNIn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sstubbs at shout.net Thu Nov 24 14:24:42 2005 From: sstubbs at shout.net (The Other) Date: Thu Nov 24 14:28:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Totem and using a secondary drive Message-ID: <200511241324.42683.sstubbs@shout.net> Hello, I have totem 0.100-5 installed. I have a CDrom drive at hdc (mounted as /cdrom) and a DVDrom drive at hdd (mounted as /dvd). When I place a DVD into hdd and then tell totem to "play disc", it goes to hdc and reports: Failed to play Audio/Video Disc. Please check that a disc is present in the drive. I've been unable to find a way to change this default behavior of totem. Any ideas? Thank you, Stephen. From terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net Thu Nov 24 11:58:01 2005 From: terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net (Terrence) Date: Thu Nov 24 16:01:31 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 In-Reply-To: <200511241130.33389.tito@rumford.de> References: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> <200511240041.12025.tito@rumford.de> <17285.4351.454691.220413@www.terrencevak.net> <200511241130.33389.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <17285.61721.954868.703889@www.terrencevak.net> OK, I got a phoneme database, but how can I create the .pho from my text file? Thanks again, Terrence From james at dis-dot-dat.net Thu Nov 24 16:46:28 2005 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Thu Nov 24 16:41:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music In-Reply-To: <4384986B.3040106@juraview.com> References: <4384986B.3040106@juraview.com> Message-ID: <20051124214628.GN16229@phlunky.Belkin> On Wed, 23 Nov, 2005 at 11:27AM -0500, Bill Allen spake thus: > Hi. My first composition completely done with Ardour and other free > software. I'm still not completely satisfied with the mix, but it's > almost there. Comments welcome. > > http://juraview.com/Bills_Music.html I like that! My non-professional advice, though, is: 1. Do something better with the drums. In something so organic, they really stand out, and not in a good way. 2. Making no comment about your vocal ability (hey, you've never heard me sing for a reason) - the strange muffly slight phasing is weird. Maybe try using more reverb, with longer decay. That is, go for echoey, ethereal sounds more. 3. Do more stuff! The guitars and flute sound really good. James > Regards, > Bill > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From ronny.tittoto at tiscali.it Thu Nov 24 17:37:35 2005 From: ronny.tittoto at tiscali.it (Ronny) Date: Thu Nov 24 17:37:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Maudio audiophile USB In-Reply-To: <1132871023.4274.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1132871023.4274.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1132871855.4274.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi All, I am using Linux Fedora FC4 and M-Audio Audiophile USB. This card works perfectly in output when using ALSA directly, e.g. alsaplay -d plughw:2 works fine! Problems rise when I try using Jack. even if I managed to get it starting with jackd -dalsa -dplughw:2,0 -r44100 -p1024 -n4 -Pplughw:2,0 -S -o2 The sound out I get is weird, a distortion that looks to be related to buffer cycles etc. I am using jackd 0.100.1 Anyone that can help me on this? I see that some of you could get it working fine with Jack. How did you manage to do so? So far I cannot record with ALSA too but it would be great to solve at least the jack issue. Thank you in advance for the help, Ronny From tito at rumford.de Thu Nov 24 17:41:44 2005 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Thu Nov 24 17:50:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 In-Reply-To: <17285.61721.954868.703889@www.terrencevak.net> References: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> <200511241130.33389.tito@rumford.de> <17285.61721.954868.703889@www.terrencevak.net> Message-ID: <200511242341.44813.tito@rumford.de> Terrence : > OK, I got a phoneme database, but how can I create the .pho from > my text file? I only know txt2pho which is for german text. You seem to have festival and will have to figure it out. From skimming over the festival stuff I take it that festival might not even need mbrola. Festival's manpage will help, ok? Wolfgang From tito at rumford.de Thu Nov 24 17:49:33 2005 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Thu Nov 24 17:50:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT Good read: James Jamerson -- Interview With The Ghost Of Studio A In-Reply-To: <200511241852.45766.versuchsanstalt@gmx.de> References: <200511231131.38249.tito@rumford.de> <200511241041.32649.tito@rumford.de> <200511241852.45766.versuchsanstalt@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200511242349.33463.tito@rumford.de> Burkhard Woelfel : > Makes me think of Dizzy Gillespie's technique of playing the trumpet. > As if it wasn't enough to just play that stuff. No, there's got to be > a way to make it even more impossible. Right, they got kicks from that I guess. Gordy writes about a session where Jamerson wouldn't play the requested downbeat stuff but add touches and twists all over the place. He's about to throw him out, gives him a last chance to play straight, staring at him during the first bars, relaxing as he hears him "behave", turns away and -badaboom- hears an outer space lick thrown in, Jamerson all smiles, whole studio smiles and Gordy smiles too because he can't other but like what he just heard. > > Burkhard, you play bass too? > > It's my favourite instrument, yes :-) How do you go about recording it? Whatever bass I record always sounds crap, no face, no nrrrk. Wolfgang From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 24 18:11:26 2005 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Thu Nov 24 18:11:31 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello !! In-Reply-To: <1132824539.6905.5.camel@yo-machine> Message-ID: <20051124231126.27893.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> Bonjour Petit Louis! Moi aussi, mais Francais n'est pas mon premier. --- lilli chiffon wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I'm a new one on this list, excuse-me for my english > it's not my natural > languange (I've got many red line under this word) > > This message is a test and a hello. > > see you. > > P'tit Louis > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From linuxmedia4 at netscape.net Thu Nov 24 18:44:22 2005 From: linuxmedia4 at netscape.net (LinuxMedia) Date: Thu Nov 24 18:43:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 Message-ID: <43865056.5070908@netscape.net> "flite" (festival-lite) is very simple and is only one binary file. It's usage is "flite TextFile WavFile". But as you see, it only creates a WAV file. I don't know about the quality compared to other programs. I looked at the WAV file and it's a 16 bit mono file sampled at 8000. Rocco From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Thu Nov 24 18:53:37 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Thu Nov 24 18:53:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello !! In-Reply-To: <20051124231126.27893.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051124231126.27893.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43865281.60702@walescomputers.co.uk> HI Sean Is this the Sean from V-amps? Cheers Bob Sean Edwards wrote: > Bonjour Petit Louis! Moi aussi, mais Francais n'est > pas mon premier. > > > > --- lilli chiffon wrote: > > >>Hi everybody, >> >>I'm a new one on this list, excuse-me for my english >>it's not my natural >>languange (I've got many red line under this word) >> >>This message is a test and a hello. >> >>see you. >> >>P'tit Louis >> >> > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > -- Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net Thu Nov 24 14:52:21 2005 From: terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net (Terrence) Date: Thu Nov 24 18:55:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 In-Reply-To: <43865056.5070908@netscape.net> References: <43865056.5070908@netscape.net> Message-ID: <17286.6645.177148.844245@www.terrencevak.net> Thank you! That's perfect!! With that & lame, it's only a 2-step process: text to wav, then wav to MP3. `-) Terrence From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Nov 24 19:24:19 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Thu Nov 24 19:24:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 In-Reply-To: <17286.6645.177148.844245@www.terrencevak.net> References: <43865056.5070908@netscape.net> <17286.6645.177148.844245@www.terrencevak.net> Message-ID: <20051125012419.45cc839c@mango.fruits.de> On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:52:21 -0500 Terrence wrote: > Thank you! That's perfect!! With that & lame, it's only a > 2-step process: text to wav, then wav to MP3. `-) one step if flite can use /dev/stdout as filename echo flite rox ya ass off | flite /dev/stdin /dev/stdout |aplay -r 16000 -f S16_LE or something :) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From chr.ohm at gmx.net Thu Nov 24 19:42:06 2005 From: chr.ohm at gmx.net (Christian Ohm) Date: Thu Nov 24 19:42:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need a new 'pooter In-Reply-To: References: <20051114193845.GB3535@localdomain> Message-ID: <20051125004206.GA3575@localdomain> On Tuesday, 15 November 2005 at 20:38, Bungee wrote: > Thanks for such a very detailed list (and thanks everyone else who responded). > This looks like the sort of thing I want to go for. What distro are you using? > Have you had any compatibility problems? Well, the most important parts (CPU and mainboard) are still on my shopping list (and will have to wait until january). As far as I could find out, there are no problems with the mainboard. The graphics card works well, but I think the passive cooler isn't glued on very well, since sometimes the graphic hangs when using OpenGL. The computer still reacts, but it always shows whatever was rendered last... The sound card also works, but has no hardware mixer like my last card had. Thus I'm currently struggling with enabling several applications to use it at the same time (but I guess that's a topic for a new mail...) From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Nov 24 22:56:56 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Nov 24 21:54:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Maudio audiophile USB In-Reply-To: <1132871855.4274.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1132871023.4274.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1132871855.4274.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1132891016.10859.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 23:37 +0100, Ronny wrote: > Hi All, > > I am using Linux Fedora FC4 and M-Audio Audiophile USB. > This card works perfectly in output when using ALSA directly, > e.g. alsaplay -d plughw:2 works fine! i don't know what alsaplay is. if its like aplay, use the -v argument to get a verbose listing of the h/w config that the device ends up with. then try to replicate that using the hw:N device with JACK (not the plughw device). JACK can use plughw devices, but it is intended to work better with a hw device. > Problems rise when I try using Jack. > even if I managed to get it starting with > jackd -dalsa -dplughw:2,0 -r44100 -p1024 -n4 -Pplughw:2,0 -S -o2 this is a very very odd way to start JACK. the -Pplughw:2,0 seems redundant. From ii001001 at yahoo.ca Fri Nov 18 02:56:24 2005 From: ii001001 at yahoo.ca (I. I. Ooisen) Date: Thu Nov 24 22:47:33 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] simple ZynAddSubFX question In-Reply-To: <200511132252.10088.ce@christeck.de> References: <200511132252.10088.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200511180556.24285.ii001001@yahoo.ca> On Sunday 13 November 2005 07:52 pm, Christoph Eckert wrote: > Hi Julien, > > > As some of you know I'm blind, but I wanted to show ZynAddSubFX in > > all its GUI-splender to a friend of mine. Can anyone tell me how to > > load one of the example banks? > > on my machine, zyn always asks "Welcome to Zyn" where I can choose to > start it in beginner or advanced mode. > > When choosing the beginner mode then in the GUI there appears a button > called "Click here to load a(n) instrument". > > After choosing it, a bank window appears. On the left top corner there's > a combobox which can be used to choose one of the predefined banks > called something like "Bass", "Brass", "Guitar" and so on. Select one, > then click on one particular sound in the table. > > I don't know how useful this is for you, so don't hesitate to contact me > per PM if you need further information. > > > Best regards > > > ce in my combobox i see nothing! do you have any idea why? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ii001001 at yahoo.ca Sat Nov 26 02:50:57 2005 From: ii001001 at yahoo.ca (I. I. Ooisen) Date: Thu Nov 24 22:51:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] plugin for playing midis Message-ID: <200511260550.57928.ii001001@yahoo.ca> is there any plugin / way for amarok / xmms / bmp(x) to play midis? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 24 23:00:03 2005 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Thu Nov 24 23:00:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello !! In-Reply-To: <43865281.60702@walescomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <20051125040003.2694.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> Sure am! --- studio-64 wrote: > HI Sean > Is this the Sean from V-amps? > Cheers > Bob > > > > Sean Edwards wrote: > > Bonjour Petit Louis! Moi aussi, mais Francais > n'est > > pas mon premier. > > > > > > > > --- lilli chiffon wrote: > > > > > >>Hi everybody, > >> > >>I'm a new one on this list, excuse-me for my > english > >>it's not my natural > >>languange (I've got many red line under this word) > >> > >>This message is a test and a hello. > >> > >>see you. > >> > >>P'tit Louis > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > > > > -- > > > > Bearmusic > hearmymusic.co.uk > > > > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From ix at replic.net Thu Nov 24 23:35:19 2005 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Thu Nov 24 23:36:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] plugin for playing midis In-Reply-To: <200511260550.57928.ii001001@yahoo.ca> References: <200511260550.57928.ii001001@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20051125043519.GA7936@replic.net> On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 05:50:57AM -0200, I. I. Ooisen wrote: > is there any plugin / way for amarok / xmms / bmp(x) to play midis? es xmms-midi [ Results for search key : xmms-midi ] [ Applications found : 1 ] * media-plugins/xmms-midi Latest version available: 0.03 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 181 kB Homepage: http://ban.joh.cam.ac.uk/~cr212/xmms-midi/ Description: Timidity++ Dependent MIDI Plugun for XMMS License: GPL-2 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Fri Nov 25 01:16:42 2005 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (lilli chiffon) Date: Fri Nov 25 01:14:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello !! In-Reply-To: <20051125040003.2694.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051125040003.2694.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1132899402.5605.4.camel@yo-machine> Thanks for yours nice reply, I'm happy to be here, among yours. Salut Sean, tu es aussi nouveau sur la liste ? P'tit Louis Le jeudi 24 novembre 2005 ? 20:00 -0800, Sean Edwards a ?crit : > Sure am! > > --- studio-64 wrote: > > > HI Sean > > Is this the Sean from V-amps? > > Cheers > > Bob > > > > > > > > Sean Edwards wrote: > > > Bonjour Petit Louis! Moi aussi, mais Francais > > n'est > > > pas mon premier. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- lilli chiffon wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Hi everybody, > > >> > > >>I'm a new one on this list, excuse-me for my > > english > > >>it's not my natural > > >>languange (I've got many red line under this word) > > >> > > >>This message is a test and a hello. > > >> > > >>see you. > > >> > > >>P'tit Louis > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > > > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Bearmusic > > hearmymusic.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Fri Nov 25 03:34:50 2005 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Nov 25 03:35:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture v0.0.1 Message-ID: http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/ ABOUT ----- jack_capture is a small simple program to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers into a file. This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no one made. So here it is. USAGE ----- jack_capture [-f filename] [ -b bitdepth ] [-c channels] [ -B bufsize ] Filename is by default auotogenerated to something like "jack_capture_.wav" Bitdepth is by default FLOAT. Channels is by default 2. Bufsize is by default 262144. ACKNOWLEDGMENT -------------- Mostly based on the jackrec program in the jack distribution made by Paul Davies and Jack O'Quin. Automatic filename generation code taken from the timemachine program by Steve Harries. -- From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Nov 25 04:09:23 2005 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Nov 25 04:20:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051125085947.GR16229@phlunky.Belkin> On Fri, 25 Nov, 2005 at 12:34AM -0800, Kjetil S. Matheussen spake thus: > > http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/ > I normally use timemachine for recording like this - how does this differ? Oh, and the one thing that timemachine always annoys me with is it's aparrent inability to write files that can be read by anything except audacity. Does this do better? Thanks for the software, James > > ABOUT > jack_capture is a small simple program to capture whatever > sound is going out to your speakers into a file. > > This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no > one made. So here it is. > > > > USAGE > jack_capture [-f filename] [ -b bitdepth ] [-c channels] [ -B bufsize ] > > Filename is by default auotogenerated to something like > "jack_capture_.wav" > Bitdepth is by default FLOAT. > Channels is by default 2. > Bufsize is by default 262144. > > > > > ACKNOWLEDGMENT > Mostly based on the jackrec program in the jack distribution > made by Paul Davies and Jack O'Quin. Automatic filename generation > code taken from the timemachine program by Steve Harries. > > > > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From pete.leigh at gmail.com Fri Nov 25 04:22:54 2005 From: pete.leigh at gmail.com (Pete Leigh) Date: Fri Nov 25 04:23:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] simple ZynAddSubFX question In-Reply-To: <200511180556.24285.ii001001@yahoo.ca> References: <200511132252.10088.ce@christeck.de> <200511180556.24285.ii001001@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: On 18/11/05, I. I. Ooisen wrote: > > When choosing the beginner mode then in the GUI there appears a button > > called "Click here to load a(n) instrument". > > After choosing it, a bank window appears. On the left top corner there's > > a combobox which can be used to choose one of the predefined banks > > called something like "Bass", "Brass", "Guitar" and so on. Select one, > > then click on one particular sound in the table. > in my combobox i see nothing! do you have any idea why? I had this, and I think I fixed it by recompiling fltk without xft (antialiased font) support. There might be better ways of fixing it, probably by making sure it could find the font it wanted, somehow, but I didn't try that :) How to go about it will depend on what your Linux distribution you use. - Pete. From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Nov 25 05:28:29 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri Nov 25 05:31:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <20051125085947.GR16229@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20051125085947.GR16229@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20051125112829.28d08b1f@mango.fruits.de> On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:09:23 +0000 james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Fri, 25 Nov, 2005 at 12:34AM -0800, Kjetil S. Matheussen spake thus: > > > > http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/ > > > > I normally use timemachine for recording like this - how does this > differ? > > Oh, and the one thing that timemachine always annoys me with is it's > aparrent inability to write files that can be read by anything except > audacity. Does this do better? Which can be remedied by reading the timemachine documentation (SCNR): ----snip ~$ timemachine -h Usage timemachine: [-h] [-i] [-c channels] [-n jack-name] [-t buffer-length] [-p file prefix] [-f format] [port-name ...] -h show this help -i interactive mode (console instead of X11) also enabled if DISPLAY is unset -c specify number of recording channels -n specify the JACK name timemachine will use -t specify the pre-recording buffer length -p specify the saved file prefix, may include path -f specify the saved file format channels must be in the range 1-8, default 2 jack-name, default "TimeMachine" file-prefix, default "tm-" buffer-length, default 10 secs format, default 'w64', options: wav, w64 specifying port names to connect to on the command line overrides -c ---- snap Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Fri Nov 25 05:32:19 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Fri Nov 25 05:32:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello !! In-Reply-To: <20051125040003.2694.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051125040003.2694.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4386E833.8000806@walescomputers.co.uk> Welcome!! No dout we'll be conversing soon. I didnt realise you were French, you shame us Brits with your command of English. Cheers Bob BluesLSD Sean Edwards wrote: > Sure am! > > --- studio-64 wrote: > > >>HI Sean >>Is this the Sean from V-amps? >>Cheers >>Bob >> >> >> >>Sean Edwards wrote: >> >>>Bonjour Petit Louis! Moi aussi, mais Francais >> >>n'est >> >>>pas mon premier. >>> >>> >>> >>>--- lilli chiffon wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi everybody, >>>> >>>>I'm a new one on this list, excuse-me for my >> >>english >> >>>>it's not my natural >>>>languange (I've got many red line under this word) >>>> >>>>This message is a test and a hello. >>>> >>>>see you. >>>> >>>>P'tit Louis >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Yahoo! Music Unlimited >>>Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. >>>http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ >>> >> >>-- >> >> >> >> Bearmusic >> hearmymusic.co.uk >> >> >> >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > -- Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 25 05:56:56 2005 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Fri Nov 25 05:56:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello !! In-Reply-To: <1132899402.5605.4.camel@yo-machine> Message-ID: <20051125105656.50262.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> Oui, je suis nouveau sur cette liste. Mais je ne suis pas nouveau a Linux ou a musique. --- lilli chiffon wrote: > Thanks for yours nice reply, I'm happy to be here, > among yours. > > Salut Sean, tu es aussi nouveau sur la liste ? > > P'tit Louis > > > > > > > > > Le jeudi 24 novembre 2005 ? 20:00 -0800, Sean > Edwards a ?crit : > > Sure am! > > > > --- studio-64 wrote: > > > > > HI Sean > > > Is this the Sean from V-amps? > > > Cheers > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > Sean Edwards wrote: > > > > Bonjour Petit Louis! Moi aussi, mais Francais > > > n'est > > > > pas mon premier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- lilli chiffon > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Hi everybody, > > > >> > > > >>I'm a new one on this list, excuse-me for my > > > english > > > >>it's not my natural > > > >>languange (I've got many red line under this > word) > > > >> > > > >>This message is a test and a hello. > > > >> > > > >>see you. > > > >> > > > >>P'tit Louis > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > > > > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > > > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Bearmusic > > > hearmymusic.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home > page! > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Nov 25 06:20:02 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare) Date: Fri Nov 25 06:20:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-20 not seen by alsa in ADVANCED mode - DOESN'T WORK YET In-Reply-To: <1132660510.4383071e50548@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <437D3C43.4060203@poeticstudios.com> <1132298387.437d80939005d@webmail.uni-halle.de> <437E872B.5020102@poeticstudios.com> <437E9620.5050902@poeticstudios.com> <1132591743.4381fa7f896a5@webmail.uni-halle.de> <4382E741.6020902@poeticstudios.com> <1132660510.4383071e50548@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4386F362.7070200@poeticstudios.com> Clemens Ladisch wrote: >(please don't top-post) > >Cesare wrote: > > >>But what should I get to recompile? Just 'usbquirks.h'? >> >> > >It's the only file that changed. > > >HTH >Clemens > > > > Clemens, thank you so far. I downloaded the last 'usbquirks.h', and swapped it with the file in my kernel source (2.6.13). Made 'make modules_install'. Rebooted. Now the card gets listed in qjackctl, but it still doesn't work. I've tried various jackd configurations but I always get errors (broken pipe, NT driver). Qjackctl hangs and I need to kill jackd. Waiting for some suggestion. c. www.cesaremarilungo.com From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 25 06:29:34 2005 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Fri Nov 25 06:29:42 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello List Message-ID: <20051125112934.49177.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings! My name is Sean Edwards. I have used Linux on my desktop at home since 1997. My computer career started in 1993, and I have done System Admin work since earning a Novell Certification in 1995. In 2002, my career became Linux focused on a full-time basis. I have done both contract and full-time work in Chicago, Dublin Ireland, and now Omaha. I learned to play guitar 30 years ago, and took a break from it for 10 years when I started my family. Before the kids came along, I used to do sequencing on a 486 DOS computer, connected to external MIDI equipment. For years, the only Linux audio I used was for ripping and creating CD's. Last year, I discovered the Planet CCRMA project, and was a lurker on that list for several months. This Autumn, I decided to get back into computer music and I find what is available for Linux to be overwhelming! Here is my equipment list: Yamaha TX81Z (2) Alesis MIDI Data Disk Alesis HR 16 Drum Machine Yamaha MJC8 MIDI Junction Controller Alesis 1622 Mixer A.R.T. MultiVerb Behringer V-Amp Pro Behringer UltraTwin The computer is an AMD K7 500Mhz, 768MB RAM, VooDoo 3D AGP Video Card, and a 20GB hard drive. My previous employer provided me with a PowerBook G4 with 1GB RAM, and Garage Band could not play more than 3 synthesized voices simultaneously. My 6 year old desktop does more music with Linux than Garage Band on a newer PowerBook! The software I mostly use: Qjackctl Rosegarden4 Qsynth Hydrogen Ecasound -=Sean Edwards=- __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Nov 25 06:52:44 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare) Date: Fri Nov 25 06:52:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa support for ZOOM G2.u1 and generic usb audio devices in general Message-ID: <4386FB0C.5090304@poeticstudios.com> Hi, I've just bought myself (?130, in Italy) a Zoom 2G.u1 guitar effect pedal (http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/products/g21u/index.php). It is a very good sounding effect if you're on a budget, like me, and with my strat plugged in it sounds like this: http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/download/music/Hope_IN_PROGRESS_20051125.mp3 What makes it interesting is that it has a usb interface so it works like an audio interface. You can listen to the mix from the DAW from its headphone jack along with the direct output of the effected guitar (no additional latency). The sampling is done at 24bit/96kHz. I bought it to complete my transition to linux and I would really like to use it with jackd. In windows and macos x it works without any driver (it is seen as a generic usb audio device), and in fact through USB it is limited to 16bit/44.1kHz. The question is: how can I get it to work with alsa, and therefore jackd? I compiled my kernel (2.6.13) without the usb-audio support, as I read somewhere that it can interfere with alsa usb implementation. And I guess that recompiling the kernel with it wouldn't allow me to use it with jackd anyway. Thanks in advance. c. From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Nov 25 07:32:26 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Nov 25 07:32:31 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] simple ZynAddSubFX question In-Reply-To: <200511180556.24285.ii001001@yahoo.ca> References: <200511132252.10088.ce@christeck.de> <200511180556.24285.ii001001@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <200511251332.27208.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 18 November 2005 08:56, I. I. Ooisen wrote: > On Sunday 13 November 2005 07:52 pm, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > Hi Julien, > > > > > As some of you know I'm blind, but I wanted to show ZynAddSubFX in > > > all its GUI-splender to a friend of mine. Can anyone tell me how to > > > load one of the example banks? > > > > on my machine, zyn always asks "Welcome to Zyn" where I can choose to > > start it in beginner or advanced mode. > > > > When choosing the beginner mode then in the GUI there appears a button > > called "Click here to load a(n) instrument". > > > > After choosing it, a bank window appears. On the left top corner there's > > a combobox which can be used to choose one of the predefined banks > > called something like "Bass", "Brass", "Guitar" and so on. Select one, > > then click on one particular sound in the table. > > > > I don't know how useful this is for you, so don't hesitate to contact me > > per PM if you need further information. > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > ce > > in my combobox i see nothing! do you have any idea why? Hi. I also had this problem with banks with one of the distro's I installed ZynAddSubFx on. It was, IIRC, to do with the upper/lower case spelling of ZynAddSubFx. Have a look in the synths File/Settings/Bank root dirs, and compare the way it is spelled, compared with that in /usr/share. If they differ, click "Add root directory" in the settings panel, type out the /usr/share line again, but changing the upper/lower case spelling of the synth to the same as that in /usr/share. Click on "Make default", then try the banks combo box again. This may not be your problem, but it's worth a look. Nigel. > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Nov 25 08:02:20 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Nov 25 08:02:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-20 not seen by alsa in ADVANCED mode - DOESN'T WORK YET In-Reply-To: <4386F362.7070200@poeticstudios.com> References: <437D3C43.4060203@poeticstudios.com> <1132298387.437d80939005d@webmail.uni-halle.de> <437E872B.5020102@poeticstudios.com> <437E9620.5050902@poeticstudios.com> <1132591743.4381fa7f896a5@webmail.uni-halle.de> <4382E741.6020902@poeticstudios.com> <1132660510.4383071e50548@webmail.uni-halle.de> <4386F362.7070200@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <1132923740.43870b5c86837@webmail.uni-halle.de> Cesare wrote: > I've tried various jackd configurations but I always get errors (broken > pipe, NT driver). What is the error code in the system log? Regards, Clemens From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Nov 25 08:06:05 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Nov 25 08:06:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa support for ZOOM G2.u1 and generic usb audio devices in general In-Reply-To: <4386FB0C.5090304@poeticstudios.com> References: <4386FB0C.5090304@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <1132923965.43870c3d40341@webmail.uni-halle.de> Cesare wrote: > What makes it interesting is that it has a usb interface so it works > like an audio interface. You can listen to the mix from the DAW from its > headphone jack along with the direct output of the effected guitar (no > additional latency). The sampling is done at 24bit/96kHz. > > I bought it to complete my transition to linux and I would really like > to use it with jackd. In windows and macos x it works without any driver > (it is seen as a generic usb audio device), and in fact through USB it > is limited to 16bit/44.1kHz. > > The question is: how can I get it to work with alsa, and therefore jackd? Just plug it in. It should be listed in /proc/asound/cards; the device name for jack is "hw:X". HTH Clemens From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 25 08:40:21 2005 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Fri Nov 25 08:40:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello List In-Reply-To: <20051125112934.49177.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051125134022.17486.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> Forgot the guitars: Acoustic: Ovation Celebrity Ibanez GRX 20: replaced the factory pickups with EMG's HZ4 and HZ4A. I use Ernie Ball strings exclusively but not only because they sound great. Put this into your favorite search engine to find out why: linux "ernie ball" --- Sean Edwards wrote: > Greetings! > > My name is Sean Edwards. I have used Linux on my > desktop at home since 1997. My computer career > started in 1993, and I have done System Admin work > since earning a Novell Certification in 1995. In > 2002, my career became Linux focused on a full-time > basis. I have done both contract and full-time work > in Chicago, Dublin Ireland, and now Omaha. > > I learned to play guitar 30 years ago, and took a > break from it for 10 years when I started my family. > > Before the kids came along, I used to do sequencing > on > a 486 DOS computer, connected to external MIDI > equipment. For years, the only Linux audio I used > was > for ripping and creating CD's. Last year, I > discovered the Planet CCRMA project, and was a > lurker > on that list for several months. This Autumn, I > decided to get back into computer music and I find > what is available for Linux to be overwhelming! > > Here is my equipment list: > Yamaha TX81Z (2) > Alesis MIDI Data Disk > Alesis HR 16 Drum Machine > Yamaha MJC8 MIDI Junction Controller > Alesis 1622 Mixer > A.R.T. MultiVerb > Behringer V-Amp Pro > Behringer UltraTwin > > The computer is an AMD K7 500Mhz, 768MB RAM, VooDoo > 3D > AGP Video Card, and a 20GB hard drive. My previous > employer provided me with a PowerBook G4 with 1GB > RAM, > and Garage Band could not play more than 3 > synthesized > voices simultaneously. My 6 year old desktop does > more music with Linux than Garage Band on a newer > PowerBook! > > The software I mostly use: > Qjackctl > Rosegarden4 > Qsynth > Hydrogen > Ecasound > > -=Sean Edwards=- > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Nov 25 08:58:52 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Nov 25 08:58:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 In-Reply-To: <200511242341.44813.tito@rumford.de> References: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> <17285.61721.954868.703889@www.terrencevak.net> <200511242341.44813.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <200511251358.52645.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 24 November 2005 22:41, Wolfgang Woehl was like: > I only know txt2pho which is for german text. You seem to have festival > and will have to figure it out. From skimming over the festival stuff I > take it that festival might not even need mbrola. Festival's manpage > will help, ok? Festival doesn't require mbrola AFAIK. Neither does flite -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Nov 25 09:04:11 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Nov 25 09:04:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <20051125112829.28d08b1f@mango.fruits.de> References: <20051125085947.GR16229@phlunky.Belkin> <20051125112829.28d08b1f@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <200511251404.12208.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 25 November 2005 10:28, Florian Schmidt was like: > On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:09:23 +0000 > > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Nov, 2005 at 12:34AM -0800, Kjetil S. Matheussen spake thus: > > > http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/ > > > > I normally use timemachine for recording like this - how does this > > differ? > > > > Oh, and the one thing that timemachine always annoys me with is it's > > aparrent inability to write files that can be read by anything except > > audacity. Does this do better? > > Which can be remedied by reading the timemachine documentation (SCNR): > > > ----snip > ~$ timemachine -h > Usage timemachine: [-h] [-i] [-c channels] [-n jack-name] > [-t buffer-length] [-p file prefix] [-f format] [port-name ...] > > -h show this help > -i interactive mode (console instead of X11) also enabled > if DISPLAY is unset > -c specify number of recording channels > -n specify the JACK name timemachine will use > -t specify the pre-recording buffer length > -p specify the saved file prefix, may include path > -f specify the saved file format > > channels must be in the range 1-8, default 2 > jack-name, default "TimeMachine" > file-prefix, default "tm-" > buffer-length, default 10 secs > format, default 'w64', options: wav, w64 > > specifying port names to connect to on the command line overrides -c > ---- snap Exactly. I rather like timemachine, precisely because I can make .wavs with it that I can drop straight into ardour without any mucking about. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Nov 25 09:21:08 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Nov 25 09:06:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello List In-Reply-To: <20051125134022.17486.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051125134022.17486.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43871DD4.2050803@woh.rr.com> Sean Edwards wrote: >I use Ernie Ball strings exclusively but not only >because they sound great. Put this into your favorite >search engine to find out why: linux "ernie ball" > > "Ball's are best." :) From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Nov 25 09:07:16 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare) Date: Fri Nov 25 09:07:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-20 not seen by alsa in ADVANCED mode - DOESN'T WORK YET In-Reply-To: <1132923740.43870b5c86837@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <437D3C43.4060203@poeticstudios.com> <1132298387.437d80939005d@webmail.uni-halle.de> <437E872B.5020102@poeticstudios.com> <437E9620.5050902@poeticstudios.com> <1132591743.4381fa7f896a5@webmail.uni-halle.de> <4382E741.6020902@poeticstudios.com> <1132660510.4383071e50548@webmail.uni-halle.de> <4386F362.7070200@poeticstudios.com> <1132923740.43870b5c86837@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <43871A94.8030003@poeticstudios.com> Clemens Ladisch wrote: >Cesare wrote: > > >>I've tried various jackd configurations but I always get errors (broken >>pipe, NT driver). >> >> > >What is the error code in the system log? > > > cannot submit datapipe for urb 0, err = -90 c. >Regards, >Clemens > > > > From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Nov 25 09:38:39 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Nov 25 09:24:02 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello List In-Reply-To: <20051125112934.49177.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051125112934.49177.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <438721EF.3090909@woh.rr.com> Sean Edwards wrote: >This Autumn, I >decided to get back into computer music and I find >what is available for Linux to be overwhelming! > > It is getting pretty nice here, isn't it ? >Here is my equipment list: >Yamaha TX81Z (2) >Alesis MIDI Data Disk >Alesis HR 16 Drum Machine >Yamaha MJC8 MIDI Junction Controller >Alesis 1622 Mixer >A.R.T. MultiVerb >Behringer V-Amp Pro >Behringer UltraTwin > > Looks like we worked at the same music store. ;) The 81z is a neat synth. It was my first synthesizer, FM was the first synthesis method I learned. I now own two TX802s, but the 81z can be picked up for cheap on eBay these days, I'm considering buying one for its unique approach to FM (e.g. waveform sources other than sine waves). Someday maybe I'll have the ready cash to buy one of a cheap TG77 from an eBay seller. NI's FM7 is pretty cool too, if you want to try running a VSTi under Linux. Btw, did you know that JSynthLib includes very nice editors/librarians for the 802 and the 81z ? >The computer is an AMD K7 500Mhz, 768MB RAM, VooDoo 3D >AGP Video Card, and a 20GB hard drive. > Looks like we bought our computers at the same store too. ;-) > My previous >employer provided me with a PowerBook G4 with 1GB RAM, >and Garage Band could not play more than 3 synthesized >voices simultaneously. My 6 year old desktop does >more music with Linux than Garage Band on a newer >PowerBook! > > GB looks pretty cool, maybe I'll try it someday. Meanwhile I have my hands full with Ardour and JAMin. >The software I mostly use: >Qjackctl >Rosegarden4 >Qsynth >Hydrogen >Ecasound > > Solid senders all. So, welcome to the list and our maybe-not-so-little-anymore community. Be sure to let us know when we can hear some of your work ! :) Best regards, Dave Phillips From arnold.krille at gmail.com Fri Nov 25 09:28:21 2005 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Fri Nov 25 09:28:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: jack_capture v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <200511251404.12208.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20051125085947.GR16229@phlunky.Belkin> <20051125112829.28d08b1f@mango.fruits.de> <200511251404.12208.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <2def88b80511250628if739f1t@mail.gmail.com> On 11/25/05, tim hall wrote: > On Friday 25 November 2005 10:28, Florian Schmidt was like: > > On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:09:23 +0000 > > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > I normally use timemachine for recording like this - how does this > > > differ? > > > Oh, and the one thing that timemachine always annoys me with is it's > > > aparrent inability to write files that can be read by anything except > > > audacity. Does this do better? > > Which can be remedied by reading the timemachine documentation (SCNR): > Exactly. > I rather like timemachine, precisely because I can make .wavs with it that I > can drop straight into ardour without any mucking about. If you all used a halfway recent ardour and libsndfile you could just drop the w64's into ardour... and you can use sndfile-convert to convert the w64 to any wave-like format you want... Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From m_nels at gmx.net Fri Nov 25 09:35:50 2005 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Fri Nov 25 09:36:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello List In-Reply-To: <20051125134022.17486.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051125134022.17486.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43872146.907@gmx.net> Sean Edwards wrote: > I use Ernie Ball strings exclusively but not only > because they sound great. Put this into your favorite > search engine to find out why: linux "ernie ball" It's a good story, that, isn't it? Pretty much on-topic for this list, too. I just read an interview on CNET with Sterling Ball. He comes across as a fairly level-headed guy. It even sounds as though their licensing transgression was more-or-less accidental. It certainly cost them a lot of money. Ernie Ball sounds like one of those companies you'd quite like to work for, doesn't it? Although I realise that can be an illusion. It's a shame, because I've become quite attached to (very heavy gauge) Elixir strings (electric and acoustic guitars). They're pricy, but they sound good, and last a lot longer (even with my ultra-corrosive fingers). Maybe I should try to persuade Elixir to migrate too... :o) Michael From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Nov 25 09:41:56 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Nov 25 09:41:50 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: jack_capture v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <2def88b80511250628if739f1t@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511251404.12208.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <2def88b80511250628if739f1t@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200511251441.56613.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 25 November 2005 14:28, Arnold Krille was like: > If you all used a halfway recent ardour and libsndfile you could just > drop the w64's into ardour... and you can use sndfile-convert to > convert the w64 to any wave-like format you want... Thanks for that tip Arnold. I'm still using the version of Ardour that ships with DeMuDi stable (beta29 - v. old) When I have time to mess around again, I may look at starting to use CVS versions of Ardour and Rosegarden. For now, I am happy because I am Actually Making Music. :) Results to be released soon. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Nov 25 10:04:36 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare) Date: Fri Nov 25 10:05:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa support for ZOOM G2.u1 and generic usb audio devices in general - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <1132923965.43870c3d40341@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <4386FB0C.5090304@poeticstudios.com> <1132923965.43870c3d40341@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <43872804.4010207@poeticstudios.com> Clemens Ladisch wrote: >Cesare wrote: > > >>What makes it interesting is that it has a usb interface so it works >>like an audio interface. You can listen to the mix from the DAW from its >>headphone jack along with the direct output of the effected guitar (no >>additional latency). The sampling is done at 24bit/96kHz. >> >>I bought it to complete my transition to linux and I would really like >>to use it with jackd. In windows and macos x it works without any driver >>(it is seen as a generic usb audio device), and in fact through USB it >>is limited to 16bit/44.1kHz. >> >>The question is: how can I get it to work with alsa, and therefore jackd? >> >> > >Just plug it in. > >It should be listed in /proc/asound/cards; the device name for jack is >"hw:X". > > >HTH >Clemens > > > > Clemens, please ignore my other post (which is waiting for approval because it was too long, with the lsusb output pasted). IT IS WORKING NOW. I just plugged it in after everything was loaded. Could it be that, having it plugged in before booting up, the usbaudio was claiming the interface and so alsa couldn't see it? Contrary to what I said before, I compiled my kernel with the generic usb audio as a module. Don't want to bother you even more. I'll figure out myself how to get it recognized when plugged in at boot. Thanks again, really. c. From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Fri Nov 25 10:07:54 2005 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (lilli chiffon) Date: Fri Nov 25 10:06:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello !! In-Reply-To: <4386E833.8000806@walescomputers.co.uk> References: <20051125040003.2694.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> <4386E833.8000806@walescomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <1132931274.19126.13.camel@yo-machine> Le vendredi 25 novembre 2005 ? 10:32 +0000, studio-64 a ?crit : > Welcome!! > > No dout we'll be conversing soon. > > I didnt realise you were French, you shame us Brits with > your command of English. > > Cheers > > Bob > BluesLSD > Bob, it's very kind of you ! Permit me to introduce tu myself : I'm running under debian, sarge with 2.6.12 kernel home made. Motherboard asus A8N-E with amd 64 and native soundcard. I'm a newbies in computer music (can i say that ?) Actually i have a band of french song (we wrote it) If your are interseted you can have a lokk on our old site (we change line up and name) http://lilli.chiffon.free.fr (Don't ask me nothing about the singer, she was fired) Unfortunately our sound engineer doesn't know anything about linux, it's a mess, that's why i was subscribing on this list to learn on audio linux. I think i'm on the right place !! See you. P.S. I'm interesting to hear anything you have online made under linux. P'tit Louis. > > Sean Edwards wrote: > > Sure am! > > > > --- studio-64 wrote: > > > > > >>HI Sean > >>Is this the Sean from V-amps? > >>Cheers > >>Bob > >> > >> > >> > >>Sean Edwards wrote: > >> > >>>Bonjour Petit Louis! Moi aussi, mais Francais > >> > >>n'est > >> > >>>pas mon premier. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>--- lilli chiffon wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Hi everybody, > >>>> > >>>>I'm a new one on this list, excuse-me for my > >> > >>english > >> > >>>>it's not my natural > >>>>languange (I've got many red line under this word) > >>>> > >>>>This message is a test and a hello. > >>>> > >>>>see you. > >>>> > >>>>P'tit Louis > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>__________________________________ > >>>Yahoo! Music Unlimited > >>>Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > >>>http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > >>> > >> > >>-- > >> > >> > >> > >> Bearmusic > >> hearmymusic.co.uk > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Fri Nov 25 10:09:51 2005 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (lilli chiffon) Date: Fri Nov 25 10:08:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello !! In-Reply-To: <20051125105656.50262.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051125105656.50262.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1132931392.19126.16.camel@yo-machine> Le vendredi 25 novembre 2005 ? 02:56 -0800, Sean Edwards a ?crit : > Oui, je suis nouveau sur cette liste. Mais je ne suis > pas nouveau a Linux ou a musique. Do you have something what can i listen to ? Tu as quelque chose que je puisse ?couter ? P'tit Louis. > > --- lilli chiffon wrote: > > > Thanks for yours nice reply, I'm happy to be here, > > among yours. > > > > Salut Sean, tu es aussi nouveau sur la liste ? > > > > P'tit Louis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le jeudi 24 novembre 2005 ? 20:00 -0800, Sean > > Edwards a ?crit : > > > Sure am! > > > > > > --- studio-64 wrote: > > > > > > > HI Sean > > > > Is this the Sean from V-amps? > > > > Cheers > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sean Edwards wrote: > > > > > Bonjour Petit Louis! Moi aussi, mais Francais > > > > n'est > > > > > pas mon premier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- lilli chiffon > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Hi everybody, > > > > >> > > > > >>I'm a new one on this list, excuse-me for my > > > > english > > > > >>it's not my natural > > > > >>languange (I've got many red line under this > > word) > > > > >> > > > > >>This message is a test and a hello. > > > > >> > > > > >>see you. > > > > >> > > > > >>P'tit Louis > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > > > > > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > > > > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bearmusic > > > > hearmymusic.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home > > page! > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From arnold.krille at gmail.com Fri Nov 25 10:15:01 2005 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Fri Nov 25 10:15:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: jack_capture v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <200511251441.56613.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <200511251404.12208.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <2def88b80511250628if739f1t@mail.gmail.com> <200511251441.56613.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <2def88b80511250715u2f7167beg@mail.gmail.com> On 11/25/05, tim hall wrote: > Thanks for that tip Arnold. I'm still using the version of Ardour that ships > with DeMuDi stable (beta29 - v. old) When I have time to mess around again, > I may look at starting to use CVS versions of Ardour and Rosegarden. For now, > I am happy because I am Actually Making Music. :) Results to be released > soon. Actually its the libsndfile-version that makes the difference(*). But if you recompile this, you can also install a new ardour... Arnold (*) I have forgotten the exact version when this was fixed, gentoo updates are to smooth... -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Fri Nov 25 10:26:15 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Fri Nov 25 10:26:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello List In-Reply-To: <43871DD4.2050803@woh.rr.com> References: <20051125134022.17486.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> <43871DD4.2050803@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <43872D17.2020409@walescomputers.co.uk> A friend of mine is buying one of his Music man guitars (an Albert lee, really well made) and they have a really vibrant commmunity website. I didnt know about the M$ thing, but they made excellent strings. Thats a really good link. cheers Bob Dave Phillips wrote: > Sean Edwards wrote: > >> I use Ernie Ball strings exclusively but not only >> because they sound great. Put this into your favorite >> search engine to find out why: linux "ernie ball" >> >> > "Ball's are best." > > :) > > -- Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Fri Nov 25 10:35:20 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Fri Nov 25 10:35:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello !! In-Reply-To: <1132931274.19126.13.camel@yo-machine> References: <20051125040003.2694.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> <4386E833.8000806@walescomputers.co.uk> <1132931274.19126.13.camel@yo-machine> Message-ID: <43872F38.3070203@walescomputers.co.uk> Hi lilli All the music we did is here: http://www.officialmp3.com/music/bands/92/music.php (This is becoming a very nice site) Music is both Acoustic and Electric BLues and it was all done on Linux. Using Ardour and JAMin. As a sound engineer I found it quite a learning curve moving to Digital. I used Cakewalk to start with but soon loaded a few Linux distro's. I used studio to go and 64studio on my AMD64 system (with some help from the V-amp2!) Nice to hear from you. cheers Bob lilli chiffon wrote: > Le vendredi 25 novembre 2005 ? 10:32 +0000, studio-64 a ?crit : > >>Welcome!! >> >>No dout we'll be conversing soon. >> >>I didnt realise you were French, you shame us Brits with >>your command of English. >> >>Cheers >> >>Bob >>BluesLSD >> > > Bob, it's very kind of you ! > > Permit me to introduce tu myself : > I'm running under debian, sarge with 2.6.12 kernel home made. > Motherboard asus A8N-E with amd 64 and native soundcard. > > I'm a newbies in computer music (can i say that ?) > > Actually i have a band of french song (we wrote it) > > If your are interseted you can have a lokk on our old site (we change > line up and name) > > http://lilli.chiffon.free.fr > (Don't ask me nothing about the singer, she was fired) > > Unfortunately our sound engineer doesn't know anything about linux, it's > a mess, that's why i was subscribing on this list to learn on audio > linux. > > I think i'm on the right place !! > > > See you. > > P.S. I'm interesting to hear anything you have online made under linux. > > P'tit Louis. > >>Sean Edwards wrote: >> >>>Sure am! >>> >>>--- studio-64 wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>HI Sean >>>>Is this the Sean from V-amps? >>>>Cheers >>>>Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Sean Edwards wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Bonjour Petit Louis! Moi aussi, mais Francais >>>> >>>>n'est >>>> >>>> >>>>>pas mon premier. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>--- lilli chiffon wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Hi everybody, >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm a new one on this list, excuse-me for my >>>> >>>>english >>>> >>>> >>>>>>it's not my natural >>>>>>languange (I've got many red line under this word) >>>>>> >>>>>>This message is a test and a hello. >>>>>> >>>>>>see you. >>>>>> >>>>>>P'tit Louis >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________________________________ >>>>>Yahoo! Music Unlimited >>>>>Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. >>>>>http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ >>>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bearmusic >>>> hearmymusic.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! >>>http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >>> >> > > -- Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 25 12:41:50 2005 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Fri Nov 25 12:41:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello !! In-Reply-To: <1132931392.19126.16.camel@yo-machine> Message-ID: <20051125174150.6467.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> I do not have something ready yet. Since I am using the consumer grade sound card embedded on my motherboard, it is difficult to get the 16 bit stuff to sound good. Does anybody have any tips? --- lilli chiffon wrote: > Le vendredi 25 novembre 2005 ? 02:56 -0800, Sean > Edwards a ?crit : > > Oui, je suis nouveau sur cette liste. Mais je ne > suis > > pas nouveau a Linux ou a musique. > > Do you have something what can i listen to ? > > Tu as quelque chose que je puisse ?couter ? > > P'tit Louis. __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From ronny.tittoto at tiscali.it Fri Nov 25 12:58:16 2005 From: ronny.tittoto at tiscali.it (Ronny) Date: Fri Nov 25 12:58:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Maudio audiophile USB Message-ID: <1132941496.3901.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Paul and All, > if its like aplay, use the -v argument to get a verbose listing of the > h/w config that the device ends up with. Unfortunately this device is Big Endian so I need to use plughw also using a play: $ aplay -D plughw:2 /usr/share/sounds/shutdown1.wav -v Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/shutdown1.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo Plug PCM: Linear conversion PCM (S16_BE) Its setup is: stream : PLAYBACK access : RW_INTERLEAVED format : S16_LE subformat : STD channels : 2 rate : 44100 exact rate : 44100 (44100/1) msbits : 16 buffer_size : 16384 period_size : 4096 period_time : 92879 tick_time : 1000 tstamp_mode : NONE period_step : 1 sleep_min : 0 avail_min : 4096 xfer_align : 4096 start_threshold : 16384 stop_threshold : 16384 silence_threshold: 0 silence_size : 0 boundary : 1073741824 Slave: Hardware PCM card 2 'Audiophile USB (tm)' device 0 subdevice 0 Its setup is: stream : PLAYBACK access : MMAP_INTERLEAVED format : S16_BE subformat : STD channels : 2 rate : 44100 exact rate : 44100 (44100/1) msbits : 16 buffer_size : 16384 period_size : 4096 period_time : 92879 tick_time : 1000 tstamp_mode : NONE period_step : 1 sleep_min : 0 avail_min : 4096 xfer_align : 4096 start_threshold : 16384 stop_threshold : 16384 silence_threshold: 0 silence_size : 0 boundary : 1073741824 > then try to replicate that using the hw:N device with JACK (not the > plughw device). JACK can use plughw devices, but it is intended to > work better with a hw device. >> Problems rise when I try using Jack. >> even if I managed to get it starting with jackd -dalsa -dplughw:2,0 >> -r44100 -p1024 -n4 -Pplughw:2,0 -S -o2 > this is a very very odd way to start JACK. the -Pplughw:2,0 seems > redundant. You're right, I'll try to start with a better setup using the parameters above, first block, and using plughw because BE, jackd -v -dalsa -dplughw:2 -r44100 -p4096 -n4 -S the problem is that I get the card playing few milliseconds of audio continuously even without using any player connected to Jack. A sort of tic -tac - tic -tac .... if I reduce p to 1024 then it seems to work fine but the quality is still lousy. See below part of the output, any suggestion is most welcome. $ jackd -v -dalsa -dplughw:2 -r44100 -p4096 -n4 -S getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_dummy.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_alsa.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_oss.so jackd 0.100.1 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. server `default' registered loading driver .. apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... plughw:2|plughw:2|4096|4|44100|0|0|nomon| swmeter|-|16bit control device hw:2 configuring for 44100Hz, period = 4096 frames, buffer = 4 periods You appear to be using the ALSA software "plug" layer, probably a result of using the "default" ALSA device. This is less efficient than it could be. Consider using a hardware device instead rather than using the plug layer. Usually the name of the hardware device that corresponds to the first soun nperiods = 4 for capture registered builtin port type 32 bit float mono audio new client: alsa_pcm, id = 1 type 1 @ 0x8746a78 fd = -1 You appear to be using the ALSA software "plug" layer, probably a result of using the "default" ALSA device. This is less efficient than it could be. Consider using a hardware device instead rather than using the plug layer. Usually the name of the hardware device that corresponds to the first soun nperiods = 4 for playback new buffer size 4096 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_1, offset = 16384 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_2, offset = 32768 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_1, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_2, offset = 0 ++ jack_rechain_graph(): client alsa_pcm: internal client, execution_order=0. -- jack_rechain_graph() 4167 waiting for signals late driver wakeup: nframes to process = 8192. load = 0.2853 max usecs: 530.000, spare = 92349.000 ..... Thank You in advance Ronny From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Nov 25 13:09:47 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Nov 25 13:09:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] amd64 - distro questions... In-Reply-To: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> References: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511251009u4e0e9f2ne2066fc4f3bdfdb@mail.gmail.com> On 11/21/05, Piotr Pruszczak wrote: > Dear Sirs, > > > I used to work with Debian (for 2 years as desktop) and I purchased > amd64 3 weeks ago just to have top performance and possibility to use > some dssi software / syntezathors etc... > > Just, I need some advise from Gentoo users - as I have to say, that I am > just a little bit disappointed with poor *deb repositories, problems > with dependencies and ... just I am thinking of "switch" by audio > station to Gentoo (I love Debian for philisophy of GNU && independence > and always will, however I WANT TO MAKE THE MUSIC ;) ) > > > So, please AMD64 Gentoo guys, advise me - am I thinking right or not ? > > Also, how REALTIME LSM is working with Ingo Molnars patched kernel > 2.6.14* / is DSSI working properly / maybe any Audio manuals for Gentoo ? > > and of course - I am interested in PURE64 architecture ;) > > > -- > Piotr > Hi, I'm a Gentoo AMD64 user and am running a pure 64-bit setup. The audio part of it works pretty well for me, but there are a number of limitations in the overall/non-audio system. Much web based multimedia doesn't work at all. For browsing I'm using a binary 32-bit version of version of Firefox, along with all the emulation libraries so that I can use plugins that work. There aren't too many limitations on the use of non-multimedia application code in portage. The trick seems to be deciding when to use ~x86 and ~amd64. That's a bit of a frustration but not a major hinderance. There are issues with the Radeon drivers from ATI working on the most recent kernels and with 64-bit but I haven't worried yet about that stuff. I am having problems with some Wine stuff from Cedega. Please don't look for overwhelming amounts of AMD64 support here in Linux audio land. AFAICT not too many developers have these machines and so when problems come up they are not likely to get addressed very fast. For instance xfst will not compile for me right now, nor for the last 2-3 weeks. Overall I don't know of a better way to build a 64-bit machine today, but granted, I haven't tried any others. This one worked more or less out of the box for me in terms of running Ardour, Aqualung and a few other apps. I have had to do my own kernels wit this box where that was not necessary on my 32-bit Gentoo machines. Hope this helps, Mark From rob at curates-egg.org Fri Nov 25 13:46:04 2005 From: rob at curates-egg.org (Rob Fell) Date: Fri Nov 25 13:39:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello !! In-Reply-To: <20051125174150.6467.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051125174150.6467.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43875BEC.3000600@curates-egg.org> Sean Edwards wrote: > I do not have something ready yet. Since I am using > the consumer grade sound card embedded on my > motherboard, it is difficult to get the 16 bit stuff > to sound good. > > Does anybody have any tips? Back in the day when I was using a SB128, I found an external compressor/limiter (Alesis 3630 is cheap) was _really_ helpful in getting the SNR high enough to be worthwhile for recording. cheers R From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Fri Nov 25 13:46:40 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Fri Nov 25 13:46:52 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello !! In-Reply-To: <20051125174150.6467.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051125174150.6467.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43875C10.50808@walescomputers.co.uk> HI Sean I can recomend The M-Audio Audiophile 24/96 this is controlled by Envy24control. and gives you the analogue outs and spdiff out. I use it in my mastering machine into and out of the Spdiff and have had no problems with this card. I'm not sure of the cost now was ok when I bought it. Do a google. cheers Bob Sean Edwards wrote: > I do not have something ready yet. Since I am using > the consumer grade sound card embedded on my > motherboard, it is difficult to get the 16 bit stuff > to sound good. > > Does anybody have any tips? > --- lilli chiffon wrote: > > >>Le vendredi 25 novembre 2005 ? 02:56 -0800, Sean >>Edwards a ?crit : >> >>>Oui, je suis nouveau sur cette liste. Mais je ne >> >>suis >> >>>pas nouveau a Linux ou a musique. >> >>Do you have something what can i listen to ? >> >>Tu as quelque chose que je puisse ?couter ? >> >>P'tit Louis. > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > -- Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From roberts.noah at gmail.com Fri Nov 25 13:52:26 2005 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Fri Nov 25 13:52:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] amd64 - distro questions... In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511251009u4e0e9f2ne2066fc4f3bdfdb@mail.gmail.com> References: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> <5bdc1c8b0511251009u4e0e9f2ne2066fc4f3bdfdb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <567aa5f60511251052n55e80ebcr65aecec7b696f97a@mail.gmail.com> On 11/25/05, Mark Knecht wrote: > There aren't too many limitations on the use of non-multimedia > application code in portage. The trick seems to be deciding when to > use ~x86 and ~amd64. That's a bit of a frustration but not a major > hinderance. I can answer that. You never use ~x86 on an amd64 running in 64 bit mode. It can cause serious issues if you do. You may not have run into such issues but they are there and I have (first time I installed I decided to take that shortcut as well). The correct way to install code is to use ~amd64 if you need to. If it is not there then you add it if you really want the program but keep in mind that it means that the program very well might not work on amd64 or may be incredibly unstable. Why not use ~x86? Think of the following scenario: * app-theoretical has ~x86 but not ~amd64 in the latest release because it has been reported as unstable by most people.. * app-theoretical depends on lib-theoretical. * You have lib-theoretical installed but it is a version previous to the reqs on this latest release of app-theoretical - many of your programs require this lib - you have a *stable* install of this library. * The new release of lib-theoretical does not work on amd64 and is known to have many issues for many people. Therefore the keyword ~amd64 is not included. You run emerge on app-theoretical with the ~x86 accept flags and it replaces lib-theoretical with something that does not work. Not even updating your programs will fix the issue. It also causes problems when you mix flags like that because of the way emerge chooses to install requirements. You just don't do it or eventually your system will start to act shitty. Gentoo has a good article on this in one of their FAQ or something for the amd64. From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Fri Nov 25 14:26:35 2005 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Nov 25 14:26:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <200511250923.jAP9NWsq025985@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200511250923.jAP9NWsq025985@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: james: > On Fri, 25 Nov, 2005 at 12:34AM -0800, Kjetil S. Matheussen spake thus: > > > > http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/ > > > > I normally use timemachine for recording like this - how does this > differ? timemachine is a different kind of program. Its a GUI thing that is ment to be running all the time. This is just a quick tool to get the sound going into your loudspeakers as quickly as possible into disk. It happens quite a lot when I play with PD or jamin, for example. What happened previously, when I had something cool going, was that I had to start timemachine (which name does not start with jack, so I allways use a lot of time remembering its name), connect the correct jack ports into it in qjackctl, and press the recording button. In addition, as you say, timemachine use this (and I really mean it) stupid w64 fileformat by default, and I very seldom remember to use the -f flag to override that. Instead of doing all that, now I can just write "jack_capture", and it starts recording immmediately. -- From ix at replic.net Fri Nov 25 14:27:29 2005 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Fri Nov 25 14:27:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] amd64 - distro questions... In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511251009u4e0e9f2ne2066fc4f3bdfdb@mail.gmail.com>; from markknecht@gmail.com on Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 10:09:47AM -0800 References: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> <5bdc1c8b0511251009u4e0e9f2ne2066fc4f3bdfdb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051125112729.A99579@replic.net> > I'm a Gentoo AMD64 user and am running a pure 64-bit setup. The > audio part of it works pretty well for me, but there are a number of > limitations in the overall/non-audio system. Much web based multimedia > doesn't work at all. disagree. the only thing that doesnt work is silly flash animation sites, and annoying flash banners, and a few sites that are lame enough to use flash for the navigation. no big loss. the latest mplayerplug-in even has support for google video, and quicktime, and windows media, providing the codec is implemented via ffmpeg or such - it usually is. its nice to reclaim that diskspace and kernel compile time that was just so i could see silly flash ads i didnt even want to see > For browsing I'm using a binary 32-bit version of > version of Firefox, along with all the emulation libraries so that I > can use plugins that work. > > There aren't too many limitations on the use of non-multimedia > application code in portage. The trick seems to be deciding when to > use ~x86 and ~amd64. That's a bit of a frustration but not a major > hinderance. you should use amd64 ~amd64 and manually ekeyword/emerge --digest or ACCEPT_KEYWORDS if its missing, most stuff that hasnt been marked yet works fine the biggest problem ive had is jack crashes a lot when compiled with gcc4. recompiling jack and alsa-lib and the kernel driver etc iwth 3.44 brings back stability, which is rather odd, but whatever.. and PD doesnt work, and Chuck runs and segfaults, SC won't compile, but every other audio app works great > fast. For instance xfst will not compile for me right now, nor for the > last 2-3 weeks. it compiles with -m32 on a multilib system after a few tweaks with the makefile. but running a 32bit jackd and a64 bit jackd and connecting them via UDP is kind of silly. i guess plug:jack via alsalib might work too, but i didnt try that before deleting multilib :) From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 25 14:38:35 2005 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Fri Nov 25 14:38:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello !! In-Reply-To: <43875BEC.3000600@curates-egg.org> Message-ID: <20051125193835.41567.qmail@web52602.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you all for the tips! --- studio-64 wrote: > HI Sean > I can recomend The M-Audio Audiophile 24/96 this is > controlled by > Envy24control. and gives you the analogue outs and > spdiff out. --- Rob Fell wrote: > Back in the day when I was using a SB128, I found an > external compressor/limiter (Alesis 3630 is cheap) was > _really_ helpful in getting the SNR high enough to be > worthwhile for recording. __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From ix at replic.net Fri Nov 25 14:38:49 2005 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Fri Nov 25 14:38:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: ; from kjetil@ccrma.stanford.edu on Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 11:26:35AM -0800 References: <200511250923.jAP9NWsq025985@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20051125113849.A841@replic.net> > This is just a quick tool to get the sound going into your loudspeakers as > quickly as possible into disk. It happens quite a lot when I play with PD sounds good, i tried similar things using timemachine/ices + jack.plumbing, but jack.plumbing simply refuses to 'plumb'... actually a 'autoconnect all connected to alsa_pcm' startup flag for timemachine would be nice too... > or jamin, for example. What happened previously, when I had something > cool going, was that I had to start timemachine (which name does not > start with jack, so I allways use a lot of time remembering its name), > connect the correct jack ports into it in qjackctl, and press the > recording button. In addition, as you say, timemachine use this (and I > really mean it) stupid w64 fileformat by default, and I very seldom > remember to use the -f flag to override that. Instead of doing all that, > now I can just write "jack_capture", and it starts recording immmediately. > > > > -- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Nov 25 14:40:05 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Nov 25 14:40:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] amd64 - distro questions... In-Reply-To: <20051125112729.A99579@replic.net> References: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> <5bdc1c8b0511251009u4e0e9f2ne2066fc4f3bdfdb@mail.gmail.com> <20051125112729.A99579@replic.net> Message-ID: <1132947605.20390.56.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 11:27 -0800, carmen wrote: > the biggest problem ive had is jack crashes a lot when compiled with > gcc4. recompiling jack and alsa-lib and the kernel driver etc iwth > 3.44 brings back stability, which is rather odd, but whatever.. and PD > doesnt work, and Chuck runs and segfaults, SC won't compile, but every > other audio app works great > Does gentoo still compile everything with overly aggressive CFLAGS? Lee From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Nov 25 14:40:23 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri Nov 25 14:40:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <200511250923.jAP9NWsq025985@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20051125204023.5b6d4f9e@mango.fruits.de> On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:26:35 -0800 (PST) "Kjetil S. Matheussen" wrote: > really mean it) stupid w64 fileformat by default, and I very seldom > remember to use the -f flag to override that. Instead of doing all that, > now I can just write "jack_capture", and it starts recording immmediately. whichdefinetly is a cool thing :) So it autoconnects to all readable ports connected to the pcm_out ports? Does it handle channel counts different than 2? Ah, i'll just have to try it i suppose.. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Fri Nov 25 14:46:10 2005 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Nov 25 14:46:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <20051125204023.5b6d4f9e@mango.fruits.de> References: <200511250923.jAP9NWsq025985@roar.music.columbia.edu> <20051125204023.5b6d4f9e@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Nov 2005, Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:26:35 -0800 (PST) > "Kjetil S. Matheussen" wrote: > >> really mean it) stupid w64 fileformat by default, and I very seldom >> remember to use the -f flag to override that. Instead of doing all that, >> now I can just write "jack_capture", and it starts recording immmediately. > > whichdefinetly is a cool thing :) So it autoconnects to all readable > ports connected to the pcm_out ports? Yes. :-) > Does it handle channel counts > different than 2? > Yes. :-) (But I don't know of any way to autodect how many channels are actually used though, so you have to manually set number of channels with the "-c" switch if its not 2.) -- From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Nov 25 14:54:17 2005 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Nov 25 14:49:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <200511250923.jAP9NWsq025985@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20051125195417.GT16229@phlunky.Belkin> On Fri, 25 Nov, 2005 at 11:26AM -0800, Kjetil S. Matheussen spake thus: > > james: > >On Fri, 25 Nov, 2005 at 12:34AM -0800, Kjetil S. Matheussen spake thus: > >> > >> http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/ > >> > > > >I normally use timemachine for recording like this - how does this > >differ? > > timemachine is a different kind of program. Its a GUI thing that is ment > to be running all the time. > > This is just a quick tool to get the sound going into your loudspeakers as > quickly as possible into disk. It happens quite a lot when I play with PD > or jamin, for example. What happened previously, when I had something > cool going, was that I had to start timemachine (which name does not > start with jack, so I allways use a lot of time remembering its name), > connect the correct jack ports into it in qjackctl, and press the > recording button. In addition, as you say, timemachine use this (and I > really mean it) stupid w64 fileformat by default, and I very seldom > remember to use the -f flag to override that. Instead of doing all that, > now I can just write "jack_capture", and it starts recording immmediately. Well, that's me convinced. Now I also realise that I've been swearing at timemachine for no reason and I have another tool to add to my toolbox, or - hey, why not mix a metaphor? - arsenal. James > > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From roberts.noah at gmail.com Fri Nov 25 14:54:03 2005 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Fri Nov 25 14:54:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] amd64 - distro questions... In-Reply-To: <1132947605.20390.56.camel@mindpipe> References: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> <5bdc1c8b0511251009u4e0e9f2ne2066fc4f3bdfdb@mail.gmail.com> <20051125112729.A99579@replic.net> <1132947605.20390.56.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <567aa5f60511251154i6a0a50beh2da506a194af2f68@mail.gmail.com> On 11/25/05, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 11:27 -0800, carmen wrote: > > the biggest problem ive had is jack crashes a lot when compiled with > > gcc4. recompiling jack and alsa-lib and the kernel driver etc iwth > > 3.44 brings back stability, which is rather odd, but whatever.. and PD > > doesnt work, and Chuck runs and segfaults, SC won't compile, but every > > other audio app works great > > > > Does gentoo still compile everything with overly aggressive CFLAGS? CFLAGS="-march=k8 -O2 -pipe" Those are mine. I think they are the default...or where when I installed. From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Nov 25 14:54:07 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri Nov 25 14:54:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <20051125113849.A841@replic.net> References: <200511250923.jAP9NWsq025985@roar.music.columbia.edu> <20051125113849.A841@replic.net> Message-ID: <20051125205407.7b3587c8@mango.fruits.de> On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:38:49 -0800 carmen wrote: > > This is just a quick tool to get the sound going into your loudspeakers as > > quickly as possible into disk. It happens quite a lot when I play with PD > > sounds good, i tried similar things using timemachine/ices + jack.plumbing, but jack.plumbing simply refuses to 'plumb'... > > actually a 'autoconnect all connected to alsa_pcm' startup flag for timemachine would be nice too... > just answering to make sure steve gets this feature request (CC) :) > > or jamin, for example. What happened previously, when I had something > > cool going, was that I had to start timemachine (which name does not > > start with jack, so I allways use a lot of time remembering its name), > > connect the correct jack ports into it in qjackctl, and press the > > recording button. In addition, as you say, timemachine use this (and I > > really mean it) stupid w64 fileformat by default, and I very seldom > > remember to use the -f flag to override that. Instead of doing all that, > > now I can just write "jack_capture", and it starts recording immmediately. > > > > > > > > -- > -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From rob at curates-egg.org Fri Nov 25 16:29:05 2005 From: rob at curates-egg.org (Rob Fell) Date: Fri Nov 25 16:22:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] amd64 - distro questions... In-Reply-To: <1132947605.20390.56.camel@mindpipe> References: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> <5bdc1c8b0511251009u4e0e9f2ne2066fc4f3bdfdb@mail.gmail.com> <20051125112729.A99579@replic.net> <1132947605.20390.56.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <43878221.3070304@curates-egg.org> Lee Revell wrote: > Does gentoo still compile everything with overly aggressive CFLAGS? By default, gentoo doesn't (and never has to my knowledge) use agressive cflags - problems are normally PEBKAC... cheers R From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Nov 25 18:57:59 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Nov 25 18:58:02 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] amd64 - distro questions... In-Reply-To: <1132947605.20390.56.camel@mindpipe> References: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> <5bdc1c8b0511251009u4e0e9f2ne2066fc4f3bdfdb@mail.gmail.com> <20051125112729.A99579@replic.net> <1132947605.20390.56.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511251557l2734480bn59c38e506a321cf3@mail.gmail.com> On 11/25/05, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 11:27 -0800, carmen wrote: > > the biggest problem ive had is jack crashes a lot when compiled with > > gcc4. recompiling jack and alsa-lib and the kernel driver etc iwth > > 3.44 brings back stability, which is rather odd, but whatever.. and PD > > doesnt work, and Chuck runs and segfaults, SC won't compile, but every > > other audio app works great > > > > Does gentoo still compile everything with overly aggressive CFLAGS? > > Lee Talk about a value judgement! ;-) Gentoo doesn't compile anything. We do. I get to take responsibility for my flags even if I don't know what th eheck they do! On a non-performance machine here's what we've run for just over 2 years: CFLAGS="-O3 -march=athlon-xp -funroll-loops -fprefetch-loop-arrays -pipe" - Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Nov 25 19:02:15 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Nov 25 19:02:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] amd64 - distro questions... In-Reply-To: <20051125112729.A99579@replic.net> References: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> <5bdc1c8b0511251009u4e0e9f2ne2066fc4f3bdfdb@mail.gmail.com> <20051125112729.A99579@replic.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511251602m2b9c9574wbdd05a2001b81ad0@mail.gmail.com> On 11/25/05, carmen wrote: > > I'm a Gentoo AMD64 user and am running a pure 64-bit setup. The > > audio part of it works pretty well for me, but there are a number of > > limitations in the overall/non-audio system. Much web based multimedia > > doesn't work at all. > > disagree. the only thing that doesnt work is silly flash animation sites, and annoying flash banners, and a few sites that are lame enough to use flash for the navigation. no big loss. the latest mplayerplug-in even has support for google video, and quicktime, and windows media, providing the codec is implemented via ffmpeg or such - it usually is. its nice to reclaim that diskspace and kernel compile time that was just so i could see silly flash ads i didnt even want to see I don't think my machine works quite as well as you are presenting here, but I think I agree that it's not all that bad. I expect it will get better. > > > For browsing I'm using a binary 32-bit version of > > version of Firefox, along with all the emulation libraries so that I > > can use plugins that work. > > > > There aren't too many limitations on the use of non-multimedia > > application code in portage. The trick seems to be deciding when to > > use ~x86 and ~amd64. That's a bit of a frustration but not a major > > hinderance. > > you should use amd64 ~amd64 and manually ekeyword/emerge --digest or ACCEPT_KEYWORDS if its missing, most stuff that hasnt been marked yet works fine > > the biggest problem ive had is jack crashes a lot when compiled with gcc4. recompiling jack and alsa-lib and the kernel driver etc iwth 3.44 brings back stability, which is rather odd, but whatever.. and PD doesnt work, and Chuck runs and segfaults, SC won't compile, but every other audio app works great > > > fast. For instance xfst will not compile for me right now, nor for the > > last 2-3 weeks. > > it compiles with -m32 on a multilib system after a few tweaks with the makefile. but running a 32bit jackd and a64 bit jackd and connecting them via UDP is kind of silly. i guess plug:jack via alsalib might work too, but i didnt try that before deleting multilib :) OK, I'm glad it compiles for you. However it does not compile for me. Please post the fixes back to Torben for his blessing so the rest of us can benefit. I stand by my comment that it has never compiled for me. I expect it will one of these days. Thanks, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Nov 25 19:05:03 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Nov 25 19:05:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] amd64 - distro questions... In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60511251052n55e80ebcr65aecec7b696f97a@mail.gmail.com> References: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> <5bdc1c8b0511251009u4e0e9f2ne2066fc4f3bdfdb@mail.gmail.com> <567aa5f60511251052n55e80ebcr65aecec7b696f97a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511251605t7f3eca13v8bb94021cd294398@mail.gmail.com> On 11/25/05, Noah Roberts wrote: > On 11/25/05, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > There aren't too many limitations on the use of non-multimedia > > application code in portage. The trick seems to be deciding when to > > use ~x86 and ~amd64. That's a bit of a frustration but not a major > > hinderance. > > I can answer that. You never use ~x86 on an amd64 running in 64 bit > mode. It can cause serious issues if you do. You may not have run > into such issues but they are there and I have (first time I installed > I decided to take that shortcut as well). The correct way to install > code is to use ~amd64 if you need to. If it is not there then you add > it if you really want the program but keep in mind that it means that > the program very well might not work on amd64 or may be incredibly > unstable. OK, if this is the case (cannot use ~x86 and ~amd64 on the same machine) then my impression, from the set of apps I'm running right now, is there there is a lot of software I cannot depend on. There are a large number of apps that don't work unless compiled with ~x86. If I cannot use that then I cannot run maybe 30-40% of what I want to run. Of course, I've not hit the problems you're describing. I've been lucky I suppose. > > Why not use ~x86? Think of the following scenario: > > * app-theoretical has ~x86 but not ~amd64 in the latest release > because it has been reported as unstable by most people.. > * app-theoretical depends on lib-theoretical. > * You have lib-theoretical installed but it is a version previous to > the reqs on this latest release of app-theoretical - many of your > programs require this lib - you have a *stable* install of this > library. > * The new release of lib-theoretical does not work on amd64 and is > known to have many issues for many people. Therefore the keyword > ~amd64 is not included. > > You run emerge on app-theoretical with the ~x86 accept flags and it > replaces lib-theoretical with something that does not work. Not even > updating your programs will fix the issue. > > It also causes problems when you mix flags like that because of the > way emerge chooses to install requirements. You just don't do it or > eventually your system will start to act shitty. Gentoo has a good > article on this in one of their FAQ or something for the amd64. > > Thanks. Interesting info. Cheers, Mark From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Nov 25 21:02:15 2005 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Nov 25 21:02:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: amd64 - distro questions... In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511251605t7f3eca13v8bb94021cd294398@mail.gmail.com> References: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> <5bdc1c8b0511251009u4e0e9f2ne2066fc4f3bdfdb@mail.gmail.com> <567aa5f60511251052n55e80ebcr65aecec7b696f97a@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0511251605t7f3eca13v8bb94021cd294398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > Why not use ~x86? Think of the following scenario: > > > > * app-theoretical has ~x86 but not ~amd64 in the latest release > > because it has been reported as unstable by most people.. > > * app-theoretical depends on lib-theoretical. > > * You have lib-theoretical installed but it is a version previous to > > the reqs on this latest release of app-theoretical - many of your > > programs require this lib - you have a *stable* install of this > > library. > > * The new release of lib-theoretical does not work on amd64 and is > > known to have many issues for many people. Therefore the keyword > > ~amd64 is not included. > > > > You run emerge on app-theoretical with the ~x86 accept flags and it > > replaces lib-theoretical with something that does not work. Not even > > updating your programs will fix the issue. > > > > It also causes problems when you mix flags like that because of the > > way emerge chooses to install requirements. You just don't do it or > > eventually your system will start to act shitty. Gentoo has a good > > article on this in one of their FAQ or something for the amd64. > > > > > > Thanks. Interesting info. > > Cheers, > Mark > > On mandriva 2006, not gentoo but i use a number of x86 packages on my x86_64 distro. Cedega works well, and i've got a 32 bit and a 64 bit mplayer. Though with the latest mplayer i'm needed to use the 32 bit one much less. I run a 64 bit konqueror as a browser and haven't run into any problems. I haven't tried xfst on this machine yet. Loki From terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net Fri Nov 25 22:54:55 2005 From: terrencevak-lau at terrencevak.net (Terrence) Date: Sat Nov 26 02:58:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 In-Reply-To: <200511251358.52645.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> <17285.61721.954868.703889@www.terrencevak.net> <200511242341.44813.tito@rumford.de> <200511251358.52645.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <17287.56463.5170.863626@www.terrencevak.net> tim hall writes: > Festival doesn't require mbrola AFAIK. > Neither does flite Nope, they don't. `-) Flite is what I'm using because it definitely supports wave-out. Festival, from what I've heard and experienced, only outputs to the sound card and nothing else. Thanks, guys! Terrence From ats at offog.org Sat Nov 26 07:39:05 2005 From: ats at offog.org (Adam Sampson) Date: Sat Nov 26 07:39:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Text to MP3 In-Reply-To: <17287.56463.5170.863626@www.terrencevak.net> (terrencevak-lau@terrencevak.net's message of "Fri, 25 Nov 2005 22:54:55 -0500") References: <17284.36511.534465.937043@www.terrencevak.net> <17285.61721.954868.703889@www.terrencevak.net> <200511242341.44813.tito@rumford.de> <200511251358.52645.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <17287.56463.5170.863626@www.terrencevak.net> Message-ID: Terrence writes: > Festival, from what I've heard and experienced, only outputs to the > sound card and nothing else. Oh no it doesn't! Put something like this in your .festivalrc: (Parameter.set 'Audio_Command "sox -r 16000 -w -s -t raw $FILE -t wav festival-out.wav") (Parameter.set 'Audio_Method 'Audio_Command) Then "echo hello world | festival --tts" will result in it creating festival-out.wav with that phrase in it. -- Adam Sampson From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Nov 26 07:56:02 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Nov 26 07:55:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello !! In-Reply-To: <1132931274.19126.13.camel@yo-machine> References: <20051125040003.2694.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> <4386E833.8000806@walescomputers.co.uk> <1132931274.19126.13.camel@yo-machine> Message-ID: <200511261256.02799.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 25 November 2005 15:07, lilli chiffon was like: > http://lilli.chiffon.free.fr > (Don't ask me nothing about the singer, she was fired) Very nice music! > P.S. I'm interesting to hear anything you have online made under linux. try http://lam.fugal.net/ ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Nov 26 07:58:29 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Nov 26 07:58:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <200511250923.jAP9NWsq025985@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200511261258.29680.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 25 November 2005 19:26, Kjetil S. Matheussen was like: > In addition, as you say, timemachine use this (and I > really mean it) stupid w64 fileformat by default, and I very seldom > remember to use the -f flag to override that. Instead of doing all that, > now I can just write "jack_capture", and it starts recording immmediately. I use a custom menu entry. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Nov 26 08:18:36 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Nov 26 08:18:33 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ardour-users] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200511261318.37246.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 15 November 2005 14:43, Dave Phillips was like: > I've uploaded a new song: > > ? ? http://linux-sound.org/keepmesatisfied.ogg Impeccable lead work and smooth vocal delivery. You just need someone like Ron Parker on drums. ;] Bluestastic! -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Nov 26 09:17:21 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Nov 26 09:02:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ardour-users] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <200511261318.37246.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> <200511261318.37246.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <43886E71.2050107@woh.rr.com> tim hall wrote: >On Tuesday 15 November 2005 14:43, Dave Phillips was like: > > >>I've uploaded a new song: >> >> http://linux-sound.org/keepmesatisfied.ogg >> >> > >Impeccable lead work and smooth vocal delivery. You just need someone like Ron >Parker on drums. ;] Bluestastic! > > Thanks, Tim. I admire your work too, it's some of my favorite stuff on the LAM site. Btw, *anyone* on drums would be a vast improvement, but for the record here's some advice to recordists following my Ardour adventures: If you need to use a drum track composed with a MIDI sequencer there are a couple things you can do for greater realism. First, use a sample player like Specimen or Linuxsampler, you can then set variations in pitch on the snare and bass drums, it makes a big difference. Although percussion is usually classed as "noise" instruments there is still a pitch component that is heard. You'll certainly notice when it's missing, like salt in a cake recipe. Alas, you can indeed notice it in my tracks, indicating how lazy I am about this detail (of course it's also easy to improve just by re-recording the MIDI track using Specimen). The other trick is to add some sort of "disturbance" to the tempo track to upset the metronomic regularity. Example: For a song in 4/4 time I'll make a looping tempo track of perhaps three measures of 3/8 time, with tempo events at the 16th-note triplet level in a series like 120-121-122-120-121-122-121-120 and so on. This tempo variation is slight enough to be felt but not overly-noticed throughout the track. You can also eliminate this tempo dodge just by using Hydrogen and exploiting its humanization features. :) Craig Anderton has written an excellent article on what he calls the Tutt/Guerin effect. Basically he just analyzed MIDI recordings of some top studio drummers and discovered how the various instruments in a set are all acting at slightly different times. The temporal distances between the activity of the bass drum, the snare, the hi-hat, and the ride cymbal all add up to a feel unique to each drummer's way of playing in the groove. Lately I've been listening to the drummers for the classic r'n'b bands behind the Stax/Volt, Motown, and James Brown sounds, really interesting stuff to compare in the light of CA's study. But in the end, I'd only go to this much trouble (finessing a MIDI drum track) if I really couldn't find a decent drummer to play the parts. Alas, that is precisely why I write MIDI drum parts for my recordings, there's no-one in Findlay OH who can play blues drums well enough. My band's drummer is coming along, but he still listens to too much Robben Ford (fine musician) and not enough Muddy Waters (blues titan). Yes, I'm an unabashed blues purist. :) It's my dream to someday journey up to the cold northern climate and record at Mirror Image. Maybe I can get Ron to play drums then... ;-) Btw, I've been working with JAMin too. What a great tool, thanks to Steve Harris & friends ! More stuff coming soon... Best, dp From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Sat Nov 26 11:14:02 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Sat Nov 26 11:14:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ardour-users] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <43886E71.2050107@woh.rr.com> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> <200511261318.37246.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <43886E71.2050107@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <438889CA.7040504@walescomputers.co.uk> HI Dave I feel for re the drummer!! All my stuff has had me playing on an SR16 in real time or loops from my Sonar days (long gone now) For anyone thinking of using electronics for Blues/Rock/Acoustic your better of with a drummer, even if there playing Midi/drum machine. I may have found a drummer here in Cardiff, just got to build the studio around him!!!! Cheers Bob Dave Phillips wrote: > tim hall wrote: > >> On Tuesday 15 November 2005 14:43, Dave Phillips was like: >> >> >>> I've uploaded a new song: >>> >>> http://linux-sound.org/keepmesatisfied.ogg >>> >> >> >> Impeccable lead work and smooth vocal delivery. You just need someone >> like Ron Parker on drums. ;] Bluestastic! >> >> > Thanks, Tim. I admire your work too, it's some of my favorite stuff on > the LAM site. > > Btw, *anyone* on drums would be a vast improvement, but for the record > here's some advice to recordists following my Ardour adventures: If you > need to use a drum track composed with a MIDI sequencer there are a > couple things you can do for greater realism. First, use a sample player > like Specimen or Linuxsampler, you can then set variations in pitch on > the snare and bass drums, it makes a big difference. Although percussion > is usually classed as "noise" instruments there is still a pitch > component that is heard. You'll certainly notice when it's missing, like > salt in a cake recipe. Alas, you can indeed notice it in my tracks, > indicating how lazy I am about this detail (of course it's also easy to > improve just by re-recording the MIDI track using Specimen). The other > trick is to add some sort of "disturbance" to the tempo track to upset > the metronomic regularity. Example: For a song in 4/4 time I'll make a > looping tempo track of perhaps three measures of 3/8 time, with tempo > events at the 16th-note triplet level in a series like > 120-121-122-120-121-122-121-120 and so on. This tempo variation is > slight enough to be felt but not overly-noticed throughout the track. > > You can also eliminate this tempo dodge just by using Hydrogen and > exploiting its humanization features. :) > > Craig Anderton has written an excellent article on what he calls the > Tutt/Guerin effect. Basically he just analyzed MIDI recordings of some > top studio drummers and discovered how the various instruments in a set > are all acting at slightly different times. The temporal distances > between the activity of the bass drum, the snare, the hi-hat, and the > ride cymbal all add up to a feel unique to each drummer's way of playing > in the groove. Lately I've been listening to the drummers for the > classic r'n'b bands behind the Stax/Volt, Motown, and James Brown > sounds, really interesting stuff to compare in the light of CA's study. > > But in the end, I'd only go to this much trouble (finessing a MIDI drum > track) if I really couldn't find a decent drummer to play the parts. > Alas, that is precisely why I write MIDI drum parts for my recordings, > there's no-one in Findlay OH who can play blues drums well enough. My > band's drummer is coming along, but he still listens to too much Robben > Ford (fine musician) and not enough Muddy Waters (blues titan). Yes, I'm > an unabashed blues purist. :) > > It's my dream to someday journey up to the cold northern climate and > record at Mirror Image. Maybe I can get Ron to play drums then... ;-) > > Btw, I've been working with JAMin too. What a great tool, thanks to > Steve Harris & friends ! > > More stuff coming soon... > > Best, > > dp > > -- Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From hanaghan at starband.net Sat Nov 26 12:15:45 2005 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Sat Nov 26 12:06:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ardour-users] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <43886E71.2050107@woh.rr.com> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> <200511261318.37246.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <43886E71.2050107@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <43889841.3050702@starband.net> > > > It's my dream to someday journey up to the cold northern climate and > record at Mirror Image. Maybe I can get Ron to play drums then... ;-) > A review is just not quite the same withut Mr. Parker's 2 cents! :) Where the heck is he? From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sat Nov 26 12:09:30 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sat Nov 26 12:09:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_convolve-0.0.13/libconvolve-0.0.6 Message-ID: <20051126180930.0356d323@mango.fruits.de> Hi, this is a new release of jack_convolve/libconvolve, the simple commandline based, convolution engine for JACK. New features are - LASH support: have jack_convolve be restored with the exact same commandline parameters when you restore your LASH session. Comment out two lines in the makefile if you don't have LASH installed. - Pseudo multichannel support (--pseudo-multi): This creates an input port for each responsefile channel, instead of only one input per response. While technically i.e. a stereo response file is a response of a mono impulse recorded with stereo equipment it many cases it might still sound good to convolve i.e. a stereo sum's left and right channel with the left and right channel of a response file individually :) And what sounds good is The Right Thing To Do. - Output mixing now optional (--mix-outputs): previously all outputs from the same channel number of different responses (if multiple responses were loaded) have been mixed together to save on some IFFT's. This is now optional. You can load several responses with varying channel counts, if your heart desires. Note that in mix-outputs mode all response files still need to have the same channel count. libconvolve had to be changed somewhat for these features, thus the upgrade. Note that dssi_convolve will not link against this libconvolve. I consider dssi_convolve broken atm anyways (still missing gui, etc). Will take another while to get that fixed up. Grab them at: http://www.affenbande.org/~tapas/jack_convolve/ Bug reports welcome, especially with odd combinations of response files with different channel counts :) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Nov 26 12:30:42 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Nov 26 12:30:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ardour-users] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <43886E71.2050107@woh.rr.com> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> <200511261318.37246.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <43886E71.2050107@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200511261730.42904.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Positive comments noted and greatly appreciated *blush* :) On Saturday 26 November 2005 14:17, Dave Phillips was like: > You can also eliminate this tempo dodge just by using Hydrogen and > exploiting its humanization features. :) Recent versions of Hydrogen also do pitch variations. In league with a good layered kit, like the millo_multilayered set sound pretty good to my ears. > Craig Anderton has written an excellent article on what he calls the > Tutt/Guerin effect. Basically he just analyzed MIDI recordings of some > top studio drummers and discovered how the various instruments in a set > are all acting at slightly different times. The temporal distances > between the activity of the bass drum, the snare, the hi-hat, and the > ride cymbal all add up to a feel unique to each drummer's way of playing > in the groove. Lately I've been listening to the drummers for the > classic r'n'b bands behind the Stax/Volt, Motown, and James Brown ? > sounds, really interesting stuff to compare in the light of CA's study. Similarly the timing discrepancies between Fleetwood's drumming and McVie's bassplaying are always quoted as contributing to Fleetwood Mac's unique sound. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From rtp405 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 26 13:45:00 2005 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Sat Nov 26 13:45:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ardour-users] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <43889841.3050702@starband.net> Message-ID: <20051126184500.85064.qmail@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Russell Hanaghan wrote: > > > > > > > It's my dream to someday journey up to the cold > northern climate and > > record at Mirror Image. Maybe I can get Ron to > play drums then... ;-) If you need a wannabe drummer on your tracks then I'm your man. If you need a world class drummer that can play the blues, well, then a good friend of mine is your man. He's the orneriest SOB I've worked with and he's a living American music history encyclepedia. > A review is just not quite the same withut Mr. > Parker's 2 cents! :) > Where the heck is he? I started doing some corporate audio and have been very busy with it. I did a show with Ron Jeremy, Sex and a hole lot more, a few days ago. I got the warthog's autograph and taped it next to Salvador Dali's signature on a forged limited edition print of his The Sacrament Of The Last Supper. Jeremy is a most bizzare phenomenon. He's uglier than sin and a sexist pig yet I watched dozens of beautiful young girls nurse him at their breasts. When it came my turn, to get his autograph, he wouldn't even look at me. LoL. He's definitely cool. Ron __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Sat Nov 26 14:51:35 2005 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Sat Nov 26 14:51:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <200511261702.jAQH2asq031434@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200511261702.jAQH2asq031434@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: tim hall: > On Friday 25 November 2005 19:26, Kjetil S. Matheussen was like: > > In addition, as you say, timemachine use this (and I > > really mean it) stupid w64 fileformat by default, and I very seldom > > remember to use the -f flag to override that. Instead of doing all that, > > now I can just write "jack_capture", and it starts recording immmediately. > > I use a custom menu entry. Listen, jack_capture is not a competitor for timemachine. Its a program that fills a hole that timemachine previously filled the best. Timemachine is, as Steve Harris says, a simulation of: "a minidisc recorder in my studio running in a mode where when you pressed record it wrote the last 10 seconds of audio to the disk and then caught up to realtime and kept recording." -- From roberts.noah at gmail.com Sat Nov 26 15:03:59 2005 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Sat Nov 26 15:04:02 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] amd64 - distro questions... In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0511251605t7f3eca13v8bb94021cd294398@mail.gmail.com> References: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> <5bdc1c8b0511251009u4e0e9f2ne2066fc4f3bdfdb@mail.gmail.com> <567aa5f60511251052n55e80ebcr65aecec7b696f97a@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0511251605t7f3eca13v8bb94021cd294398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <567aa5f60511261203m16d598a6ia5b8a11186312dfe@mail.gmail.com> On 11/25/05, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 11/25/05, Noah Roberts wrote: > > On 11/25/05, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > There aren't too many limitations on the use of non-multimedia > > > application code in portage. The trick seems to be deciding when to > > > use ~x86 and ~amd64. That's a bit of a frustration but not a major > > > hinderance. > > > > I can answer that. You never use ~x86 on an amd64 running in 64 bit > > mode. It can cause serious issues if you do. You may not have run > > into such issues but they are there and I have (first time I installed > > I decided to take that shortcut as well). The correct way to install > > code is to use ~amd64 if you need to. If it is not there then you add > > it if you really want the program but keep in mind that it means that > > the program very well might not work on amd64 or may be incredibly > > unstable. > > OK, if this is the case (cannot use ~x86 and ~amd64 on the same > machine) then my impression, from the set of apps I'm running right > now, is there there is a lot of software I cannot depend on. If you say so. Since this is still a fairly soa processor that isn't very surprising is it? There are > a large number of apps that don't work unless compiled with ~x86. You are mistaking what ~x86 does. You are not "compiling with ~x86" when you use that accept flag, you are saying, "I have an x86 processor and I want the latest, greatest, untested and likely unstable programs installed." Not only that, but you are telling emerge to also install updates that may be unstable on the x86 for all dependencies of the program you are installing with that flag. So, if it is untested and unstable on the x86 and you don't have an x86 then what do you think you are saying? If I > cannot use that then I cannot run maybe 30-40% of what I want to run. Not true. There is very little that you "cannot" run on the amd64. There are some very few programs that have the -amd64 keyword because they are known to not work and cause problems. What you do run into a lot is areas that have not been touched by the amd64 team (though this is getting to be less and less) and so just simply have no amd64 keyword at all. At that point it is on you to add the keyword and test the program. You can send a bug report if it works and maybe they will add it to the main tree. They have made this a bit easier with the package.keywords file: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-amd64-faq.xml#keyword This allows you to apply the ~x86 flag to a single package without the dangers I describe. This is something I have just discovered. > > Of course, I've not hit the problems you're describing. I've been > lucky I suppose. Yeah, it worked for me too...right up until it didn't. Then I read the website that said, "Don't do that," and I kicked myself and reinstalled. From g.meurisse at laposte.net Sat Nov 26 14:42:18 2005 From: g.meurisse at laposte.net (guillaume Meurisse) Date: Sat Nov 26 15:32:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ebuild for fst In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60511261203m16d598a6ia5b8a11186312dfe@mail.gmail.com> References: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> <5bdc1c8b0511251009u4e0e9f2ne2066fc4f3bdfdb@mail.gmail.com> <567aa5f60511251052n55e80ebcr65aecec7b696f97a@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0511251605t7f3eca13v8bb94021cd294398@mail.gmail.com> <567aa5f60511261203m16d598a6ia5b8a11186312dfe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4388BA9A.9080905@laposte.net> Hi, i wrote an ebuild for fst. It can be downloaded here http://mundaka.free.fr/ebuild/fst-1.7.ebuild . Comments are welcome. Guitoo From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Sat Nov 26 18:23:02 2005 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (lilli chiffon) Date: Sat Nov 26 16:20:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hello !! In-Reply-To: <200511261256.02799.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20051125040003.2694.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> <4386E833.8000806@walescomputers.co.uk> <1132931274.19126.13.camel@yo-machine> <200511261256.02799.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <1133047383.6903.0.camel@yo-machine> Le samedi 26 novembre 2005 ? 12:56 +0000, tim hall a ?crit : > On Friday 25 November 2005 15:07, lilli chiffon was like: > > http://lilli.chiffon.free.fr > > (Don't ask me nothing about the singer, she was fired) > > Very nice music! > > > P.S. I'm interesting to hear anything you have online made under linux. > > try http://lam.fugal.net/ ;) I'm listening your winter story, It was snowing this morning in Paris, great mood, romantic atmosphere with colors and sounds thanks for that. P'tit Louis From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Sat Nov 26 16:36:30 2005 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Sat Nov 26 16:36:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ardour-users] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <43886E71.2050107@woh.rr.com> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> <200511261318.37246.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <43886E71.2050107@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20051127083630.5a23146c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Dave Phillips wrote: > Craig Anderton has written an excellent article on what he calls the > Tutt/Guerin effect. Dave, I've done a quick search on the web for this but found nothing. Do you have a link? It sounds interesting. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -- Ernst Jan Plugge From bsturk at adelphia.net Sat Nov 26 18:10:38 2005 From: bsturk at adelphia.net (Brian Sturk) Date: Sat Nov 26 18:07:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ebuild for fst In-Reply-To: <4388BA9A.9080905@laposte.net> References: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> <5bdc1c8b0511251009u4e0e9f2ne2066fc4f3bdfdb@mail.gmail.com> <567aa5f60511251052n55e80ebcr65aecec7b696f97a@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0511251605t7f3eca13v8bb94021cd294398@mail.gmail.com> <567aa5f60511261203m16d598a6ia5b8a11186312dfe@mail.gmail.com> <4388BA9A.9080905@laposte.net> Message-ID: <4388EB6E.30407@adelphia.net> guillaume Meurisse wrote: > Hi, > i wrote an ebuild for fst. It can be downloaded here > http://mundaka.free.fr/ebuild/fst-1.7.ebuild . > Comments are welcome. > > Guitoo Great stuff, I had just built the latest xfst but now will start using this. Will you be submitting this to portage? ~telengard -- .--------------------------------------------------,--------. | Brian Sturk - http://users.adelphia.net/~bsturk \ C/C++ | .> )\,^a__ |-------------------------. bsturkadelphia.net | Python |( _ _)/ /-."~ | http://www.telengard.com `------------------------`-------| `( )_ )/ | Telengard Technologies Inc. - NT/*nix UI & device drivers |_<_s_<_s `-----------------------------------------------------------' From g.meurisse at laposte.net Sat Nov 26 17:19:57 2005 From: g.meurisse at laposte.net (Guillaume Meurisse) Date: Sat Nov 26 19:11:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ebuild for fst In-Reply-To: <4388EB6E.30407@adelphia.net> References: <438181A0.9090004@pro.onet.pl> <5bdc1c8b0511251009u4e0e9f2ne2066fc4f3bdfdb@mail.gmail.com> <567aa5f60511251052n55e80ebcr65aecec7b696f97a@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0511251605t7f3eca13v8bb94021cd294398@mail.gmail.com> <567aa5f60511261203m16d598a6ia5b8a11186312dfe@mail.gmail.com> <4388BA9A.9080905@laposte.net> <4388EB6E.30407@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <4388DF8D.3060008@laposte.net> Brian Sturk wrote: > > Great stuff, I had just built the latest xfst but now will start using > this. Will you be submitting this to portage? > > ~telengard > With this ebuild fst needs xfst.exe.so to be copied in the same directory as fst. This is quite ugly. I'll try to fix this before submiting to portage. guitoo From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Nov 26 20:40:24 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Nov 26 20:40:28 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ conflicts, acpi, and linux audio In-Reply-To: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> References: <437FB305.1080107@aproximation.org> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511261740m725dc9fcye050a2e74f293612@mail.gmail.com> On 11/19/05, thewade wrote: > Hello pd and lau lists, Hi. > > I am having trouble figuring out how to actually change the irq's of specific devices. I am not sure of the motherboard in this laptop Changing interrupt priorities of internal devices on a laptop is not possible. The devices are on the motherboard and are hard wired to specific inputs on the PIC. You cannot change them at all. For clarity, the only way you can change IRQs in a desktop machine is to move PCI cards from slot to slot. The slots are hard wired, but the cards are movable. I haven't read the whole thread. It got sort of long. While Lee's comment about interrupt priorities was technically correct, in the old days where ISR's could (and did) block lower priority interrupts this was an issue. It is not such an issue today, at least for Linux machines. As for your laptop, if it is a modern machine is possibly has an APIC. (Advanced PIC) If it does then enabling it in your kernel and using it would allow you to change priorities of each hardware device. I suppose the Fedora kernel has this and that possibly your motherboard does not, but finding more info on that might lead you to improved results down the road. Good luck with whatever you do. cheers, Mark From hanaghan at starband.net Sat Nov 26 23:46:59 2005 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Sat Nov 26 23:38:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ardour-users] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <20051126184500.85064.qmail@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051126184500.85064.qmail@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43893A43.3060801@starband.net> A review is just not quite the same withut Mr. >>Parker's 2 cents! :) >>Where the heck is he? >> >> > >I started doing some corporate audio and have been >very busy with it. I did a show with Ron Jeremy, Sex >and a hole lot more, a few days ago. I got the >warthog's autograph and taped it next to Salvador >Dali's signature on a forged limited edition print of >his The Sacrament Of The Last Supper. > >Jeremy is a most bizzare phenomenon. He's uglier than >sin and a sexist pig yet I watched dozens of beautiful >young girls nurse him at their breasts. When it came >my turn, to get his autograph, he wouldn't even look >at me. LoL. He's definitely cool. > >Ron > >Just glad your still alive! :) Was going to write a crappy guitar tune with lots of fubar just to see if I could get you to respond! > R~ From hanaghan at starband.net Sat Nov 26 23:49:38 2005 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Sat Nov 26 23:40:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ardour-users] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <20051127083630.5a23146c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> <200511261318.37246.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <43886E71.2050107@woh.rr.com> <20051127083630.5a23146c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <43893AE2.70703@starband.net> Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: >Dave Phillips wrote: > > > >>Craig Anderton has written an excellent article on what he calls the >>Tutt/Guerin effect. >> >> Craig Anderton is an Inspirational guy to me in not so much his music but his electronic savvy. As a kid I used to sneak off with my Dad's Gutiar Player mags which Anderton used to write regular articales for Guitar mods and electronics projects. His stuff got me into modifying my own guitars and building various gadgets for fx. R~ From a at gaydenko.com Sun Nov 27 01:35:58 2005 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Sun Nov 27 01:33:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_convolve-0.0.13/libconvolve-0.0.6 In-Reply-To: <20051126180930.0356d323@mango.fruits.de> References: <20051126180930.0356d323@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <200511270935.58307@goldspace.net> Is it possible to use a some kind of artificial-head-mics IR file to move a music beyond a head when headphones are in use? Are such free IR files known? Andrew ======= On Saturday 26 November 2005 20:09, Florian Schmidt wrote: ======= Hi, this is a new release of jack_convolve/libconvolve, the simple commandline based, convolution engine for JACK. New features are - LASH support: have jack_convolve be restored with the exact same commandline parameters when you restore your LASH session. Comment out two lines in the makefile if you don't have LASH installed. - Pseudo multichannel support (--pseudo-multi): This creates an input port for each responsefile channel, instead of only one input per response. While technically i.e. a stereo response file is a response of a mono impulse recorded with stereo equipment it many cases it might still sound good to convolve i.e. a stereo sum's left and right channel with the left and right channel of a response file individually :) And what sounds good is The Right Thing To Do. - Output mixing now optional (--mix-outputs): previously all outputs from the same channel number of different responses (if multiple responses were loaded) have been mixed together to save on some IFFT's. This is now optional. You can load several responses with varying channel counts, if your heart desires. Note that in mix-outputs mode all response files still need to have the same channel count. libconvolve had to be changed somewhat for these features, thus the upgrade. Note that dssi_convolve will not link against this libconvolve. I consider dssi_convolve broken atm anyways (still missing gui, etc). Will take another while to get that fixed up. Grab them at: http://www.affenbande.org/~tapas/jack_convolve/ Bug reports welcome, especially with odd combinations of response files with different channel counts :) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Nov 27 06:45:02 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Nov 27 06:30:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ardour-users] new song on-line In-Reply-To: <20051127083630.5a23146c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <4379F420.9060900@woh.rr.com> <200511261318.37246.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <43886E71.2050107@woh.rr.com> <20051127083630.5a23146c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <43899C3E.20005@woh.rr.com> Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: >Dave Phillips wrote: > > > >>Craig Anderton has written an excellent article on what he calls the >>Tutt/Guerin effect. >> >> > >Dave, I've done a quick search on the web for this but found nothing. >Do you have a link? It sounds interesting. > >Erik > > Hi Erik: Alas, it's not in electronic form. It can be found in his book on using Master Tracks Pro, it was published by AMSCO Publications and is probably not in print anymore. And I have no scanner. :( It is an interesting article, he did his typical good job revealing and explaining crucial differences between the players and how a sequencer can be utilized to approximate their styles. It's too bad there's no complete collection of CA's writings in electronic format. Like Russell pointed out, Anderton's been a big influence on a lot of people. His writing style has been an inspiration for me, he presents technical subjects in plain and clear language, and he usually imparts a sense of fun. Best, dp From ii001001 at yahoo.ca Sat Nov 26 11:56:06 2005 From: ii001001 at yahoo.ca (I. I. Ooisen) Date: Sun Nov 27 08:16:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] simple ZynAddSubFX question In-Reply-To: References: <200511180556.24285.ii001001@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <200511261456.06737.ii001001@yahoo.ca> On Friday 25 November 2005 07:22 am, Pete Leigh wrote: > On 18/11/05, I. I. Ooisen wrote: > > > When choosing the beginner mode then in the GUI there appears a button > > > called "Click here to load a(n) instrument". > > > > > > After choosing it, a bank window appears. On the left top corner > > > t