From torbenh at gmx.de Sat Oct 1 02:13:34 2005 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Sat Oct 1 01:56:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] netjack-0.5 distributed jack Message-ID: <20051001061334.GA9056@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> Now builds easier (tm :) http://netjack.sf.net/ ---------------------------------------------- use your laptop as an outboard CPU fx processor. run 2 jackds on the same machine one for root and one for you. please report back if it works cross platform intel <-> ppc -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From rzewnickie at rfa.org Sat Oct 1 07:19:57 2005 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Sat Oct 1 07:20:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Delta cards help? In-Reply-To: <20051001013240.31550.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051001013240.31550.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051001111954.GA7778@rfa.org> On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 06:32:39PM -0700, October wrote: > Finally decided to swap out my SB Live! Platinum for > an M-Audio Delta 44. > > The hardware installation is no problem as I built > this machine myself in the first place... It's more > the software. I'm running Demudi 1.2.1 and am > wondering what sort of hoops I might have to jump > through to get the proper drivers up and running. > Will it be as simple as powering down, swapping cards, > powering back up and seeing it autodetected? Not sure exactly how demudi handles it, but the driver for the card is ice1712. > Any tricks, tips, things to look out for? > > Also I remember reading about some sort of mixer > specifically for these cards but can't seem to find > it. Anyone know what I'm talking about? envy24control It's in the alsa-tools package. -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Systems Administrator Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From conorotuama at eircom.net Sat Oct 1 08:31:40 2005 From: conorotuama at eircom.net (Conor O'Tuama) Date: Sat Oct 1 07:34:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Delta cards help? In-Reply-To: <20051001013240.31550.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051001013240.31550.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <433E81AC.3080606@eircom.net> October wrote: >Finally decided to swap out my SB Live! Platinum for >an M-Audio Delta 44. > >The hardware installation is no problem as I built >this machine myself in the first place... It's more >the software. I'm running Demudi 1.2.1 and am >wondering what sort of hoops I might have to jump >through to get the proper drivers up and running. >Will it be as simple as powering down, swapping cards, >powering back up and seeing it autodetected? > >Any tricks, tips, things to look out for? > >Also I remember reading about some sort of mixer >specifically for these cards but can't seem to find >it. Anyone know what I'm talking about? > >Thanks in advance! > >Jon Hoskins > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >In a world without walls who needs gates or windows? > > --unknown > > > > >______________________________________________________ >Yahoo! for Good >Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > > > > > Hi October. I think this might be of help to you: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Midiman%2FMAudio&card=Delta+44.&chip=ICE1712+%28Envy24%29&module=ice1712 The mixer you are looking for is, I think, the envy24control mixer, which comes as a part of the alsa-tools package. -- aka avoca From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sat Oct 1 08:23:27 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sat Oct 1 08:22:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd: too many servers already active In-Reply-To: <433DEAF4.6050306@csail.mit.edu> References: <433DC3CA.8020304@csail.mit.edu> <433DC717.6040305@gmx.net> <433DCC72.6060404@csail.mit.edu> <1128127880.26818.133.camel@dhin> <433DEAF4.6050306@csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1128169407.26818.136.camel@dhin> > > it is unrelated. what kernel version are you running and what jack > > startup command are you using? > > > > 2.6.10-2.1.ll.rhfc3.ccrma > jackd version 0.99.36 > > I've been trying a bunch of ways to start jack from command line and > qjackctl. If I simply do "jackstart -d alsa", I get: i don't know how to make it more obvious that jackstart is not intended for use with 2.6 series kernel. maybe jackstart should try to detect the kernel version and exit if it is not 2.4 or lower. if you want to use JACK with the -R (realtime) flag on a 2.6 kernel then you either need an absolutely totally up to the minute kernel and user space utilities (bash, pam, glibc etc), or you need the realtime-lsm module. --p From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sat Oct 1 08:32:24 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sat Oct 1 08:32:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd: too many servers already active In-Reply-To: <1128169407.26818.136.camel@dhin> References: <433DC3CA.8020304@csail.mit.edu> <433DC717.6040305@gmx.net> <433DCC72.6060404@csail.mit.edu> <1128127880.26818.133.camel@dhin> <433DEAF4.6050306@csail.mit.edu> <1128169407.26818.136.camel@dhin> Message-ID: <20051001143224.1afcb748@mango.fruits.de> On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 08:23:27 -0400 Paul Davis wrote: > > > it is unrelated. what kernel version are you running and what jack > > > startup command are you using? > > > > > > > 2.6.10-2.1.ll.rhfc3.ccrma > > jackd version 0.99.36 > > > > I've been trying a bunch of ways to start jack from command line and > > qjackctl. If I simply do "jackstart -d alsa", I get: > > i don't know how to make it more obvious that jackstart is not intended > for use with 2.6 series kernel. maybe jackstart should try to detect the > kernel version and exit if it is not 2.4 or lower. > > if you want to use JACK with the -R (realtime) flag on a 2.6 kernel then > you either need an absolutely totally up to the minute kernel and user > space utilities (bash, pam, glibc etc), or you need the realtime-lsm > module. Maybe simply by making the error message more verbose: --- jackstart.c.orig 2005-10-01 14:29:23.000000000 +0200 +++ jackstart.c 2005-10-01 14:31:24.000000000 +0200 @@ -228,6 +228,8 @@ fprintf (stderr, " %s\n", cap_to_text(cap, &size)); fprintf (stderr, " probably running under a kernel with capabilities disabled,\n"); fprintf (stderr, " a suitable kernel would have printed something like \"=eip\"\n\n"); + fprintf (stderr, " jackstart is intended to be used with 2.4.x kernels only.\n"); + fprintf (stderr, " if you run a 2.6.x (or higher) kernel, please see the FAQ on jackit.sf.net for more infos on how to run jackd with realtime scheduling.\n"); } /* check the executable, owner, permissions, md5 checksum */ Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From arnold.krille at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 08:54:58 2005 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Sat Oct 1 08:55:02 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] snd-usb-usx2y on amd64? Message-ID: <2def88b80510010554k7145035bx@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, sorry for cross-posting. I just wanted to know wether there are any known problems with the snd-usb-usx2y on amd64? 'Cause I got such a laptop now and experience some trouble with my tascam. :-( If I use it at non-realtime and high-realtime is works (at least for the first start of jackd) but realtime and/or low-latency just freezes the system. Maybe there is something I can do to increase the verbosity of the driver while crashing? The data of my machine: kernel is gentoo-2.6.13-r2 with the bundled alsa-1.0.9b, the usb-driver is ohci-hcd. The machine is a turion64 and I have acpi turned on... Thanks in advance, Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From mlang at delysid.org Sat Oct 1 09:12:16 2005 From: mlang at delysid.org (Mario Lang) Date: Sat Oct 1 09:12:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Live sound installation using the hearnet idea :) Message-ID: <87wtkxbcun.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> Hi. Lets see how long this actually survives, but I just created my first live internet sound installation ever! :-) http://delysid.org/schearnet.html Now features a live ogg stream of my home network traffic! http://mozart.soundportal.at:8000/delYsid.ogg (Thanks to the 979FM internet crew for graciously providing a hell of a lot of icecast bandwidth for free!) Powered by SuperCollider3, schearnet.c, JACK and oddcastv3 -- CYa, Mario From perezmeyer at infovia.com.ar Sat Oct 1 10:30:18 2005 From: perezmeyer at infovia.com.ar (Lisandro =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dami=E1n?= Nicanor =?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=E9rez?= Meyer) Date: Sat Oct 1 10:29:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A New Tune In-Reply-To: <433D0CA7.7010305@eircom.net> References: <433D0CA7.7010305@eircom.net> Message-ID: <1128174178.6912.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> El vie, 30-09-2005 a las 07:00, Conor O'Tuama escribi?: > Hi :-) Seeing as everybody else appears to be getting the tunes out > there, I thought I might as well bite the bullet......hope somebody > likes it ;-) It is an initial mix, rough about the edges. > > http://homepage.eircom.net/~conorotuama/time_til_i_die.ogg > Copyright 2005 Conor O'Tuama > > Cheers ! (recorded in Slackware Linux, using Ardour and various other > bits 'n' bobs) Wow!! That's really good! Just allow me one non-musical hint: fill the info of the ogg before publishing it. I know that it can be changed in any moment, but the idea is to have all the song info at hand :-) Keep like that! Cheers, Damian.- Military justice is to justice what military music is to music. -- Groucho Marx http://perezmeyer.etype.com.ar/ From conorotuama at eircom.net Sat Oct 1 11:57:58 2005 From: conorotuama at eircom.net (Conor O'Tuama) Date: Sat Oct 1 11:02:04 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A New Tune In-Reply-To: <1128174178.6912.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <433D0CA7.7010305@eircom.net> <1128174178.6912.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <433EB206.8010301@eircom.net> Lisandro Dami?n Nicanor P?rez Meyer wrote: >El vie, 30-09-2005 a las 07:00, Conor O'Tuama escribi?: > > >>Hi :-) Seeing as everybody else appears to be getting the tunes out >>there, I thought I might as well bite the bullet......hope somebody >>likes it ;-) It is an initial mix, rough about the edges. >> >>http://homepage.eircom.net/~conorotuama/time_til_i_die.ogg >>Copyright 2005 Conor O'Tuama >> >>Cheers ! (recorded in Slackware Linux, using Ardour and various other >>bits 'n' bobs) >> >> > >Wow!! That's really good! >Just allow me one non-musical hint: fill the info of the ogg before >publishing it. I know that it can be changed in any moment, but the idea >is to have all the song info at hand :-) > >Keep like that! > >Cheers, Damian.- > > >Military justice is to justice what military music is to music. -- >Groucho Marx http://perezmeyer.etype.com.ar/ > > > > > Thanks for that info, Damian. I'm reading through the manpage of oggenc at the moment so as I can add info next time. Ta :-) -- aka avoca From michael.wgnr at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 11:30:12 2005 From: michael.wgnr at gmail.com (Michael Wagner) Date: Sat Oct 1 11:30:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack-aware editor? Message-ID: <79f0682c0510010830s540c8a5eg16ddf15baf9dfae0@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, Does anyone know of an audio editor that works with jack without any problems? I'm sampling some drum sounds from an MS20 at the moment, and it's really annoying to Stop and restart jack all the time between recording / editing / playing it in specimen... thanks in advance, -Michael From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Sat Oct 1 11:36:18 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno) Date: Sat Oct 1 11:36:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freecycle 0.51alpha and agnula Message-ID: <433EACF2.4040609@sympatico.ca> Hi, I've been trying to build Freecycle 0.51alpha and I can't get to solve a series of errors related to libinstpatch. I've followed all the instructions in the README regarding code changes to portmidi, libinstpatch, etc. I wonder if anyone here has succeeded in building it using agnula? I found a deb package but it is for Debian unstable. There are also static builds available but again they are built using higher versions of libraries. Anyone knows of a deb for Sarge? thanks! Hector From conorotuama at eircom.net Sat Oct 1 12:35:34 2005 From: conorotuama at eircom.net (Conor O'Tuama) Date: Sat Oct 1 11:39:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack-aware editor? In-Reply-To: <79f0682c0510010830s540c8a5eg16ddf15baf9dfae0@mail.gmail.com> References: <79f0682c0510010830s540c8a5eg16ddf15baf9dfae0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <433EBAD6.5000803@eircom.net> Michael Wagner wrote: >Hello there, > >Does anyone know of an audio editor that works with jack without any >problems? I'm sampling some drum sounds from an MS20 at the moment, >and it's really annoying to Stop and restart jack all the time between >recording / editing / playing it in specimen... > >thanks in advance, >-Michael > > > > > Hi Michael, Rezound is a nice editor. Start it with: rezound --audio-method=jack. Here is the homepage: http://rezound.sourceforge.net/ -- aka avoca From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sat Oct 1 13:56:44 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sat Oct 1 11:58:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack-aware editor? In-Reply-To: <79f0682c0510010830s540c8a5eg16ddf15baf9dfae0@mail.gmail.com> (Michael Wagner's message of "Sat, 1 Oct 2005 17:30:12 +0200") References: <79f0682c0510010830s540c8a5eg16ddf15baf9dfae0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <874q8115pf.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Michael Wagner writes: > audio editor that works with jack SND is very nice;) http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/ -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From salvuz_78 at virgilio.it Sat Oct 1 14:01:08 2005 From: salvuz_78 at virgilio.it (Salvatore Di Pietro) Date: Sat Oct 1 12:01:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack-aware editor? In-Reply-To: <79f0682c0510010830s540c8a5eg16ddf15baf9dfae0@mail.gmail.com> References: <79f0682c0510010830s540c8a5eg16ddf15baf9dfae0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <433ECEE4.4060203@virgilio.it> Michael Wagner wrote: > Hello there, > > Does anyone know of an audio editor that works with jack without any > problems? I'm sampling some drum sounds from an MS20 at the moment, > and it's really annoying to Stop and restart jack all the time between > recording / editing / playing it in specimen... You can try GNUsound, it works at JACK samplerate only, in JACK I/O mode. HTH ciao -- salvuz POST FATA RESVRGO Linux registered user #291700 | machine #174619 get counted on ---> http://counter.li.org/ <--- From salvuz_78 at virgilio.it Sat Oct 1 14:03:35 2005 From: salvuz_78 at virgilio.it (Salvatore Di Pietro) Date: Sat Oct 1 12:03:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freecycle 0.51alpha and agnula In-Reply-To: <433EACF2.4040609@sympatico.ca> References: <433EACF2.4040609@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <433ECF77.5040801@virgilio.it> Hector Centeno wrote: > > Hi, > > I've been trying to build Freecycle 0.51alpha and I can't get to solve a > series of errors related to libinstpatch. I've followed all the > instructions in the README regarding code changes to portmidi, > libinstpatch, etc. Same here, on Slackware 10.1 and 10.2... :( -- salvuz POST FATA RESVRGO Linux registered user #291700 | machine #174619 get counted on ---> http://counter.li.org/ <--- From a at gaydenko.com Sat Oct 1 12:22:46 2005 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Sat Oct 1 12:22:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack-aware editor? In-Reply-To: <79f0682c0510010830s540c8a5eg16ddf15baf9dfae0@mail.gmail.com> References: <79f0682c0510010830s540c8a5eg16ddf15baf9dfae0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200510012022.46825@goldspace.net> Michael, Indeed the only jack-ready editor is mhwaveedit now: https://gna.org/projects/mhwaveedit/ Probably somebody will tell you, other editors support jack (jack-recording especially) too. This mean very simple thing: she didn't record something useful with these other editors ;-) You may use Ardour (http://ardour.org/) also, but it demands some efforts to learn basic operations. As for ReZound, it is my favourite, but some rearchitecturing is needed for nice jack support, as this editor author said. Andrew ======= On Saturday 01 October 2005 19:30, Michael Wagner wrote: ======= Hello there, Does anyone know of an audio editor that works with jack without any problems? I'm sampling some drum sounds from an MS20 at the moment, and it's really annoying to Stop and restart jack all the time between recording / editing / playing it in specimen... thanks in advance, -Michael From hans at fugal.net Sat Oct 1 12:39:16 2005 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Sat Oct 1 12:39:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A New Tune In-Reply-To: <433EB206.8010301@eircom.net> References: <433D0CA7.7010305@eircom.net> <1128174178.6912.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <433EB206.8010301@eircom.net> Message-ID: <20051001163916.GY17143@falcon.fugal.net> It's easier to just encode, then add the comments with a file and the vorbiscomments program. On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 at 15:57 +0000, Conor O'Tuama wrote: > Lisandro Dami?n Nicanor P?rez Meyer wrote: > > >El vie, 30-09-2005 a las 07:00, Conor O'Tuama escribi?: > > > > > >>Hi :-) Seeing as everybody else appears to be getting the tunes out > >>there, I thought I might as well bite the bullet......hope somebody > >>likes it ;-) It is an initial mix, rough about the edges. > >> > >>http://homepage.eircom.net/~conorotuama/time_til_i_die.ogg > >>Copyright 2005 Conor O'Tuama > >> > >>Cheers ! (recorded in Slackware Linux, using Ardour and various other > >>bits 'n' bobs) > >> > >> > > > >Wow!! That's really good! > >Just allow me one non-musical hint: fill the info of the ogg before > >publishing it. I know that it can be changed in any moment, but the idea > >is to have all the song info at hand :-) > > > >Keep like that! > > > >Cheers, Damian.- > > > > > >Military justice is to justice what military music is to music. -- > >Groucho Marx http://perezmeyer.etype.com.ar/ > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for that info, Damian. > I'm reading through the manpage of oggenc at the moment so as I can add > info next time. Ta :-) > > -- > aka avoca > -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051001/05529071/attachment.bin From conorotuama at eircom.net Sat Oct 1 13:55:57 2005 From: conorotuama at eircom.net (Conor O'Tuama) Date: Sat Oct 1 12:59:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A New Tune In-Reply-To: <20051001163916.GY17143@falcon.fugal.net> References: <433D0CA7.7010305@eircom.net> <1128174178.6912.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <433EB206.8010301@eircom.net> <20051001163916.GY17143@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <433ECDAD.1070200@eircom.net> Hans Fugal wrote: >It's easier to just encode, then add the comments with a file and the >vorbiscomments program. > >On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 at 15:57 +0000, Conor O'Tuama wrote: > > >>Lisandro Dami?n Nicanor P?rez Meyer wrote: >> >> >> >>>El vie, 30-09-2005 a las 07:00, Conor O'Tuama escribi?: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi :-) Seeing as everybody else appears to be getting the tunes out >>>>there, I thought I might as well bite the bullet......hope somebody >>>>likes it ;-) It is an initial mix, rough about the edges. >>>> >>>>http://homepage.eircom.net/~conorotuama/time_til_i_die.ogg >>>>Copyright 2005 Conor O'Tuama >>>> >>>>Cheers ! (recorded in Slackware Linux, using Ardour and various other >>>>bits 'n' bobs) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Wow!! That's really good! >>>Just allow me one non-musical hint: fill the info of the ogg before >>>publishing it. I know that it can be changed in any moment, but the idea >>>is to have all the song info at hand :-) >>> >>>Keep like that! >>> >>>Cheers, Damian.- >>> >>> >>>Military justice is to justice what military music is to music. -- >>>Groucho Marx http://perezmeyer.etype.com.ar/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Thanks for that info, Damian. >>I'm reading through the manpage of oggenc at the moment so as I can add >>info next time. Ta :-) >> >>-- >>aka avoca >> >> >> > > > Thanks for that, Hans. Hopefully I'll get around to doing that tomorrow. Ta :-) -- aka avoca From perezmeyer at infovia.com.ar Sat Oct 1 18:27:16 2005 From: perezmeyer at infovia.com.ar (Lisandro =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dami=E1n?= Nicanor =?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=E9rez?= Meyer) Date: Sat Oct 1 18:26:42 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A New Tune In-Reply-To: <433EB206.8010301@eircom.net> References: <433D0CA7.7010305@eircom.net> <1128174178.6912.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <433EB206.8010301@eircom.net> Message-ID: <1128205636.7628.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> El s?b, 01-10-2005 a las 12:57, Conor O'Tuama escribi?: > Lisandro Dami?n Nicanor P?rez Meyer wrote: > > >El vie, 30-09-2005 a las 07:00, Conor O'Tuama escribi?: > > > > > >>Hi :-) Seeing as everybody else appears to be getting the tunes out > >>there, I thought I might as well bite the bullet......hope somebody > >>likes it ;-) It is an initial mix, rough about the edges. > >> > >>http://homepage.eircom.net/~conorotuama/time_til_i_die.ogg > >>Copyright 2005 Conor O'Tuama > >> > >>Cheers ! (recorded in Slackware Linux, using Ardour and various other > >>bits 'n' bobs) > >> > >> > > > >Wow!! That's really good! > >Just allow me one non-musical hint: fill the info of the ogg before > >publishing it. I know that it can be changed in any moment, but the idea > >is to have all the song info at hand :-) > > > >Keep like that! > > > >Cheers, Damian.- > > > > > >Military justice is to justice what military music is to music. -- > >Groucho Marx http://perezmeyer.etype.com.ar/ > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for that info, Damian. > I'm reading through the manpage of oggenc at the moment so as I can add > info next time. Ta :-) I use EasyTag, I found it very useful and powerful. http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ Cheers, Damian.- Hiroshima '45, Chernobyl '86, Windows '95. Grafitti en Niceto Vega 5940, Buenos Aires. De una foto de Mario Gallo. http://perezmeyer.etype.com.ar/ From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 21:06:47 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Oct 1 21:06:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: HDSP9652 and maybe driver problems In-Reply-To: <008201c5c6e3$1f633b80$353ea8c0@laptopnew> References: <008201c5c6e3$1f633b80$353ea8c0@laptopnew> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510011806j2a589ad0q44e8744df74d80d@mail.gmail.com> > > > > Hi Michele, > > I know you've had this problem for awhile. Sorry about that. > > > > Right now one of my HDSP 8652 outputs is hooked to an ADAT AI-3. > > Not as nice as your RME converter but reasonable. I think I could > > test it if you could give me some clear instructions on how to do this > > quickly. I don't have enough time to figure it out by myself. IS it > > really as easy as connecting an output to an input? > > Hi Mark, > > it is really easy in fact! > Just download rec_imp > (http://www.duffroomcorrection.com/wiki/Simple_Automated_IR_Measuring_Tool) > and compile it (simply tipe Make). Yes, I tried this yesterday. It doesn't compile because my machine is AMD64... > After this run it with ' rec_imp rec.pcm 44100 10 21000 45 0:0 0:0' where > rec.pcm will be the recorded impulse response, 10 the starting frequency, > 21000 the end frequency and 45 the duration in seconds of the log sine sweep > signal. 0:0 and 0:0 are input and output channels: I do not remember which > is the input and output but simply running 'rec_imp' with no parameters > display the syntax. > > Leave HDSPMixer oper while you are running rec_imp, so you can see if > recording channel starts with some delay. > > Also if you can send me the recorded impulse responses at > michele.spinoloATgmail.com I can run the boring part for you. Will do if I ever get it working. > > > > > One question for you. Is the problem identical no matter what ADAT > > port you use on the HDSP 9652? > > Did not try this: do you think it could solve the problem? One other idea. Remove the two ADAT cables going to your ADI-8 Pro and then loop on back on itself so that the ADAT output goes back to the ADAT input. This will return whatever signal you send and allow to you determine if the problem is in the HDSP 9652 or in the ADI-8 Pro. Cheers, Mark > > Thanks! > Michele > From loki.davison at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 21:31:44 2005 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sat Oct 1 21:31:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Freecycle 0.51alpha and agnula In-Reply-To: <433ECF77.5040801@virgilio.it> References: <433EACF2.4040609@sympatico.ca> <433ECF77.5040801@virgilio.it> Message-ID: On 10/2/05, Salvatore Di Pietro wrote: > Hector Centeno wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I've been trying to build Freecycle 0.51alpha and I can't get to solve a > > series of errors related to libinstpatch. I've followed all the > > instructions in the README regarding code changes to portmidi, > > libinstpatch, etc. > > Same here, on Slackware 10.1 and 10.2... :( > -- > salvuz Same here on Mandriva 2005, amd64. Though i haven't tried to hard to fix it yet... Loki From ninjadroid at gazuga.net Sun Oct 2 00:12:46 2005 From: ninjadroid at gazuga.net (Pete Bessman) Date: Sun Oct 2 00:13:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack-aware editor? In-Reply-To: <79f0682c0510010830s540c8a5eg16ddf15baf9dfae0@mail.gmail.com> References: <79f0682c0510010830s540c8a5eg16ddf15baf9dfae0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1128226366.4892.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-10-01 at 17:30 +0200, Michael Wagner wrote: > Hello there, > > Does anyone know of an audio editor that works with jack without any > problems? I'm sampling some drum sounds from an MS20 at the moment, > and it's really annoying to Stop and restart jack all the time between > recording / editing / playing it in specimen... I think item number 1310 on the Specimen TODO list is to add some sampling ability. For what that's worth. Which probably isn't much. But there ya go. -- Pete Bessman http://gazuga.net "So this baby seal walks into a club." From finnendahl at folkwang-hochschule.de Sun Oct 2 03:37:53 2005 From: finnendahl at folkwang-hochschule.de (Orm Finnendahl) Date: Sun Oct 2 03:38:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack-aware editor? In-Reply-To: <1128226366.4892.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <79f0682c0510010830s540c8a5eg16ddf15baf9dfae0@mail.gmail.com> <1128226366.4892.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20051002073753.GA4608@audio> On Sat, 2005-10-01 at 17:30 +0200, Michael Wagner wrote: > Hello there, > > Does anyone know of an audio editor that works with jack without any > problems? I'm sampling some drum sounds from an MS20 at the moment, > and it's really annoying to Stop and restart jack all the time between > recording / editing / playing it in specimen... Why not use snd (http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/)? It's by far the most powerful editor existing anywhere in the computer world. It comes with jack support and is extensively documented. -- Orm From michele.spinolo at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 04:36:48 2005 From: michele.spinolo at gmail.com (Michele Spinolo) Date: Sun Oct 2 04:36:56 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: HDSP9652 and maybe driver problems References: <008201c5c6e3$1f633b80$353ea8c0@laptopnew> <5bdc1c8b0510011806j2a589ad0q44e8744df74d80d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001c01c5c72c$6fe5b260$353ea8c0@laptopnew> Hi Mark, >Yes, I tried this yesterday. It doesn't compile because my machine is >AMD64... you have to edit the Makefile and change the 9th line from: CFLAGS = -O2 -march=pentium4 -fno-fast-math to CFLAGS = -O2 -march=athlon64 -fno-fast-math then it should work fine. >One other idea. Remove the two ADAT cables going to your ADI-8 Pro and >then loop on back on itself so that the ADAT output goes back to the >ADAT input. This will return whatever signal you send and allow to you >determine if the problem is in the HDSP 9652 or in the ADI-8 Pro. this is a good idea! I will try! Michele From conorotuama at eircom.net Sun Oct 2 07:52:03 2005 From: conorotuama at eircom.net (Conor O'Tuama) Date: Sun Oct 2 06:55:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A New Tune In-Reply-To: <20050930174842.GA30652@phlunky.Belkin> References: <433D0CA7.7010305@eircom.net> <20050930174842.GA30652@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <433FC9E3.5000404@eircom.net> james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Fri, 30 Sep, 2005 at 10:00AM +0000, Conor O'Tuama spake thus: > >>Hi :-) Seeing as everybody else appears to be getting the tunes out >>there, I thought I might as well bite the bullet......hope somebody >>likes it ;-) It is an initial mix, rough about the edges. >> >>http://homepage.eircom.net/~conorotuama/time_til_i_die.ogg >>Copyright 2005 Conor O'Tuama >> >>Cheers ! (recorded in Slackware Linux, using Ardour and various other >>bits 'n' bobs) >> > > > I'd just like to join in with the praise. This is a lovely track. > Really nice all round, songsmithery to production. > > Can I just ask you to clarify the copyright, though? Copyright is > automatic, and copying, broadcast and other rigths are reserved. > Unless you specifically unreserve them, we can't copy this, send it to > friends, etc. > > Maybe this is what you want. If not, consider the creative commons > license. Since you already OK'd someone adding parts around it, you > probably want the variant that allows derivatives. Share-alike is > recommended, as is non-comercial (you get the option of getting paid > for commercial use with this, by the way). Attribution makes sense to > me too. > > James > > Hi James, The license is a Creative Commons Music Sharing License. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/deed-music As I said to Studio64, it would be fine if he messed around with it in Ardour, but I don't want any unendorsed remixes appearing on any site. Hope this is ok. -- aka avoca From rtp405 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 2 09:21:17 2005 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Sun Oct 2 09:21:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Live sound installation using the hearnet idea :) In-Reply-To: <87wtkxbcun.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> Message-ID: <20051002132118.4221.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mario, What amount of latency do you see from Play to Client read? I'm seeing some horrendous times. I started with several minutes and last test was down to about 45 seconds which is better but not really good enough. Prior to FC3 I had a configuration on RH9 that was lagging about 15 seconds. Are you getting close to that? ron --- Mario Lang wrote: > Hi. > > Lets see how long this actually survives, but I just > created my first > live internet sound installation ever! :-) > > http://delysid.org/schearnet.html > > Now features a live ogg stream of my home network > traffic! > > http://mozart.soundportal.at:8000/delYsid.ogg > > (Thanks to the 979FM internet crew for graciously > providing a hell > of a lot of icecast bandwidth for free!) > > Powered by SuperCollider3, schearnet.c, JACK and > oddcastv3 > -- > CYa, > Mario > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From mlang at delysid.org Sun Oct 2 09:35:35 2005 From: mlang at delysid.org (Mario Lang) Date: Sun Oct 2 09:35:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Live sound installation using the hearnet idea :) In-Reply-To: <20051002132118.4221.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (R. Parker's message of "Sun, 2 Oct 2005 06:21:17 -0700 (PDT)") References: <20051002132118.4221.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87fyrkdot4.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> R Parker writes: > What amount of latency do you see from Play to Client > read? I didn't measure that, and I wouldnt actually know how to do it in this setup right now. This depends on a lot of factors, especially since I am using variable bitrate encoding with ogg as well... > > I'm seeing some horrendous times. I started with > several minutes and last test was down to about 45 > seconds which is better but not really good enough. I'd *guess* its about a minute here, but I am really not concerned with it. > > Prior to FC3 I had a configuration on RH9 that was > lagging about 15 seconds. Are you getting close to > that? IT depends on the remote icecast buffer size as well, which I dont have control over. I'll work on streaming latency as soon as it gets important :-) > > ron > > --- Mario Lang wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> Lets see how long this actually survives, but I just >> created my first >> live internet sound installation ever! :-) >> >> http://delysid.org/schearnet.html >> >> Now features a live ogg stream of my home network >> traffic! >> >> http://mozart.soundportal.at:8000/delYsid.ogg >> >> (Thanks to the 979FM internet crew for graciously >> providing a hell >> of a lot of icecast bandwidth for free!) >> >> Powered by SuperCollider3, schearnet.c, JACK and >> oddcastv3 >> -- >> CYa, >> Mario >> > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- CYa, Mario From itemstatechanged at yahoo.de Sun Oct 2 10:12:51 2005 From: itemstatechanged at yahoo.de (Item State) Date: Sun Oct 2 10:12:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Jack-aware editor? In-Reply-To: <200510020746.j927j0st008954@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20051002141252.85910.qmail@web26803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hi, if you are willing to install java and supercollider, take a look as eisenkraut : http://sourceforge.net/projects/eisenkraut . supercollider is jack aware. however you cannot record yet. ciao, -sciss- > Michael Wagner wrote: > > Hello there, > > > > Does anyone know of an audio editor that works > with jack without any > > problems? I'm sampling some drum sounds from an > MS20 at the moment, > > and it's really annoying to Stop and restart jack > all the time between > > recording / editing / playing it in specimen... ___________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de From michael.wgnr at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 10:44:38 2005 From: michael.wgnr at gmail.com (Michael Wagner) Date: Sun Oct 2 10:44:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Jack-aware editor? In-Reply-To: <20051002141252.85910.qmail@web26803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <200510020746.j927j0st008954@roar.music.columbia.edu> <20051002141252.85910.qmail@web26803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79f0682c0510020744j5c1b1ab9q130d35af0f05438a@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for all the advice. I think I'm going to take a look at Snd, for starters... -Michael From rncbc at rncbc.org Sun Oct 2 15:58:17 2005 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Sun Oct 2 15:55:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Qsynth 0.2.4 released! Message-ID: <43403BD9.4060402@rncbc.org> Hi all, Let me spread the word:) finally there comes this bug and some other usability fixes on today's latest Qsynth 0.2.4 release. As you might know already, Qsynth is a fluidsynth GUI front-end application, written in C++ around the Qt3 toolkit, using Qt Designer. Please check it out from: http://qsynth.sourceforge.net Upgrade is highly recommended as this one fixes a very annoying crash bug that has been lurking for ages. As simply pasted from the change-log: - All widget captions changed to include proper application title prefix. - Attempt to bring those aging autoconf templates to date; sample SPEC file for RPM build is now being included and generated at configure time. - Missing icons on channel and soundfont setup context menus are now up; bank/program splitter widget added to channel preset dialog. - An abrupt segfault on engine restart have been finally fixed; this issue has been quite an annoyance which has been around for ages and was a highly probable showstopper just when restarting an engine due to changes on the setup settings. Not anymore, hopefully. - New tool buttons were added to the main widget, for adding a new engine and removing the current one, while trying to increase the visibility of multiple fluidsynth engine capability (for new users, at least :) - Set to use QApplication::setMainWidget() instead of registering the traditional lastWindowClosed() signal to quit() /slot, just to let the -geometry command line argument have some optional effect on X11. - Minor configure and Makefile install fixes, as Debian and Mac OS X specialties. Also, install does the right thing with target file modes (thanks to Matt Flax and Ebrahim Mayat, for pointing these out). - Fixed output disability when messages limit option is turned off (thanks to Wolfgang Woehl for spotting this one, while on qjackctl). Hope you enjoy. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From sstubbs at shout.net Sun Oct 2 18:48:05 2005 From: sstubbs at shout.net (The Other) Date: Sun Oct 2 18:46:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Delta cards help? In-Reply-To: <20051001013240.31550.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051001013240.31550.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200510021748.05888.sstubbs@shout.net> On Friday 30 September 2005 08:32 pm, October wrote: > The hardware installation is no problem as I built > this machine myself in the first place... It's more > the software. I'm running Demudi 1.2.1 and am > wondering what sort of hoops I might have to jump > through to get the proper drivers up and running. > Will it be as simple as powering down, swapping cards, > powering back up and seeing it autodetected? 10/02/05 In September I worked with 3 different sound cards. The procedure is to swap out the card, reboot, go into a root termnial and type 'alsaconf'. Let alsaconf find your new card, say yes to install the drivers, bring up a mixer to set the sound levels, and you're set. Others have already mentioned about the software mixer you're looking for. From forums at machinehasnoagenda.com Sun Oct 2 18:59:06 2005 From: forums at machinehasnoagenda.com (Shayne O'Connor) Date: Sun Oct 2 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] menopause Message-ID: <4340663A.1000606@machinehasnoagenda.com> > On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 15:42 +1000, Shayne O'Connor wrote: >> >> but seriously - can you refrain from baiting me? i'd flag you to the >> trash, but i'm not too keen on doing that ... after all, you can't vote >> for bush anymore, can you? > > Damn. I knew menopause was a bitch, but wow. My heart goes out to you, > and I retract every mean thing I've ever said. I care about your > feelings. actually, not menopause, but two sick children who have had to be hospitalised after *three days* of constant throwing up. it is school holidays, too. the doctor says it's just a virus, they should be fine, but they have developed a temporary lactose intolerance, and are very dehydrated.i am sick at the same time with flu, and my wife is just coming down with it now. as i said - the usual excuses for flaming up, but i'm telling you this because you care ... but you, you silly prick, just happened to provoke me in the midst of it all, and just because you harbour lingering resentment over our differing opinions on gnu/linux ... how transparent and weak. sweetie, you can keep your "heart" (pfft ... since when is a libertarian going to *share* his heart?! *you own* your heart, pete, and don't let anyone tell you different), and if you do retract whatever "mean" stuff you said, make sure it recoils as far back up your arse as possible. as for [sarcasm]i care about your feelings[/sarcasm] and other similarly tagged statements, i could personally do without the passive/aggressive "witticisms" of geeks - cynicism and sarcasm are about as enlightening as a punch in the face, and as common as mainstream US culture. if i want humour masquerading as life-experience, i'll watch tv. also, pete - ... what's with all the "bitch"s? have you canine fantasies, or are you desperate to have a brother push your stool in for you? or, are you just testing out some lyrics for one of your next Limp Bizkit tributes? your eternal nemesis shayne From ico at fuse.net Sun Oct 2 19:00:32 2005 From: ico at fuse.net (Ivica Bukvic) Date: Sun Oct 2 19:00:31 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Qsynth 0.2.4 released! In-Reply-To: <43403BD9.4060402@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <20051002230028.GTMD13302.gx5.fuse.net@ICO> > Let me spread the word:) finally there comes this bug and some other > usability fixes on today's latest Qsynth 0.2.4 release. > > As you might know already, Qsynth is a fluidsynth GUI front-end > application, written in C++ around the Qt3 toolkit, using Qt Designer. > > Please check it out from: > > http://qsynth.sourceforge.net > > Upgrade is highly recommended as this one fixes a very annoying crash > bug that has been lurking for ages. Awesome! Btw, although I am still using an older version, I was wondering whether the following is a "feature" or a "bug." Also, if the latter proves to be the case, has this been fixed in this version? Namely, I ran 2 synths both of which were using my soundfont which has 2 banks: first one is the sound and the second one is "dummy" empty soundfont. The reason for this is because I was unable to set qsynth to have first channel empty with the soundfont bank being on the second channel without having to put something into the first (Is this the way it is supposed to be? If so, please allow me to suggest a small feature request where Qsynth could allow to put a soundfont on any channel without having previous channels populated so that if I am to use one soundfont that is to coexist on two separate channels due to their different spatialization which requires separate outputs, that I can do so without employing a "dummy" soundfont) However, if I alter the channel mapping of banks, even though Qsynth saves all other aspects of its state upon closing, the channel selection upon every restart defaults back to the order of the soundfont banks as set in the actual soundfont. Would it be possible to make it remember the state of the banks as well or is this a fluidsynth issue? Many thanks for this great front-end to fluidsynth! Best wishes, Ivica Ico Bukvic, composer & multimedia sculptor http://meowing.ccm.uc.edu/~ico -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 9/30/2005 From johnmulholland at fastmail.fm Mon Oct 3 03:49:47 2005 From: johnmulholland at fastmail.fm (John Mulholland) Date: Sun Oct 2 19:50:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] joomla me up Message-ID: <4340E29B.8020707@fastmail.fm> Hi all, I have managed to migrate opensourcemusic.info over to joomla. There are a few too many sections empty at the moment, so if you fancy adding something, go for it. As the front page says there are still a few things on the wish list as well (not sure how feasible some of these are); 1. Package management integration - apt, and rpm in particular. 2. A submission form for software 3. A submission form for general content 4. Integration with the Linux Audio Users [ANN] news 5. RSS feeds for particular software sections/categories 6. Logo for masthead, and banners 7. Community builder integration with SMF If any of you crack linux ninja's could hack something together that would be awesome. All involvement in the site welcomed. I'll try to get the site up to date with the latest ANN posts asap - have slipped lately. I am currently trying to set up a Mythtv box - oooh its gonna be lovely when its (finally) finished but have sore head from repeatedly banging it into the wall. Have so little time at the moment for the site or music creation as well :( ... and I thought I'd just take this moment to make you all groan.. what do you get when you play country music backward? You get your house back, your truck back, and your wife back... John From rtp405 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 3 00:35:47 2005 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Mon Oct 3 00:35:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] menopause In-Reply-To: <4340663A.1000606@machinehasnoagenda.com> Message-ID: <20051003043547.96751.qmail@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > also, pete - ... what's with all the "bitch"s? They are quotes from a pulp movie and were closely followed by "It's the one that says Bad Motha Fucka". ron have > you canine > fantasies, or are you desperate to have a brother > push your stool in for > you? or, are you just testing out some lyrics for > one of your next Limp > Bizkit tributes? > > your eternal nemesis > > shayne > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From david at haggett.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 3 02:54:45 2005 From: david at haggett.demon.co.uk (David Haggett) Date: Mon Oct 3 02:54:50 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Programming Tempo Changes in Hydrogen Message-ID: <200510030754.46156.david@haggett.demon.co.uk> Is it possible to program a mid-song change in tempo into Hydrogen? I'd like to switch from about 88 to 110bpm at 2/3 of the way through. I thought about recording it into ardour in 2 stages, but it seems a bit of a kludge. Thanks in advance -- David Haggett From forums at machinehasnoagenda.com Mon Oct 3 03:51:17 2005 From: forums at machinehasnoagenda.com (Shayne O'Connor) Date: Mon Oct 3 03:49:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] menopause In-Reply-To: <20051003043547.96751.qmail@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051003043547.96751.qmail@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4340E2F5.3030506@machinehasnoagenda.com> R Parker wrote: >>also, pete - ... what's with all the "bitch"s? > > > They are quotes from a pulp movie and were closely > followed by "It's the one that says Bad Motha Fucka". correctamundo. the fonz From rncbc at rncbc.org Mon Oct 3 04:03:32 2005 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Mon Oct 3 04:02:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Qsynth 0.2.4 released! In-Reply-To: <20051002230028.GTMD13302.gx5.fuse.net@ICO> References: <20051002230028.GTMD13302.gx5.fuse.net@ICO> Message-ID: <4340E5D4.9020105@rncbc.org> Ivica Bukvic wrote: >>Let me spread the word:) finally there comes this bug and some other >>usability fixes on today's latest Qsynth 0.2.4 release. >> >>As you might know already, Qsynth is a fluidsynth GUI front-end >>application, written in C++ around the Qt3 toolkit, using Qt Designer. >> >>Please check it out from: >> >> http://qsynth.sourceforge.net >> >>Upgrade is highly recommended as this one fixes a very annoying crash >>bug that has been lurking for ages. > > > Awesome! > > Btw, although I am still using an older version, I was wondering whether the > following is a "feature" or a "bug." Also, if the latter proves to be the > case, has this been fixed in this version? > > Namely, I ran 2 synths both of which were using my soundfont which has 2 > banks: first one is the sound and the second one is "dummy" empty soundfont. > The reason for this is because I was unable to set qsynth to have first > channel empty with the soundfont bank being on the second channel without > having to put something into the first (Is this the way it is supposed to > be? If so, please allow me to suggest a small feature request where Qsynth > could allow to put a soundfont on any channel without having previous > channels populated so that if I am to use one soundfont that is to coexist > on two separate channels due to their different spatialization which > requires separate outputs, that I can do so without employing a "dummy" > soundfont) > IIUC all this seems to be fluidsynth bound. Multiple soundfonts are stacked by engine, and the last loaded one takes precedence over the same bank/programs. Thats why you cannot assign one bank/program from a previously loaded soundfont to a channel if some later soundfont is loaded which implements the same bank/program number pair. I believe there's help with the bank-offset thingie, but I can't tell you much more as I don't grasp it very well ;) > However, if I alter the channel mapping of banks, even though Qsynth saves > all other aspects of its state upon closing, the channel selection upon > every restart defaults back to the order of the soundfont banks as set in > the actual soundfont. Would it be possible to make it remember the state of > the banks as well or is this a fluidsynth issue? > Have you tried to name and save your channel layouts as presets? Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From bengan at sunet.se Mon Oct 3 04:40:21 2005 From: bengan at sunet.se (Bengt =?iso-8859-1?B?R/ZyZOlu?=) Date: Mon Oct 3 04:40:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Juli@ card Message-ID: <20051003084021.GA9338@sunet.se> Anyone got experience with this card? I'm about to get me a new card for my small studio and I thought of buying a Audiophile 2496 but my normal dealer didn't have that one so he recommended Juli@. I saw that ALSA is about to make a driver for it. regards, - Bengan ----------------------------------------------------------- - KTHNOC/SUNET/NORDUnet | http://www.sunet.se/~bengan | 08-7906586 - From dougmclain at cayf.org Mon Oct 3 06:10:18 2005 From: dougmclain at cayf.org (Doug McLain) Date: Mon Oct 3 06:10:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Long time listener, first time caller says hi! Message-ID: <4341038A.2050002@cayf.org> Ive been very slowly putting together a blog oriented website to follow my home studio and music making projects. I've become most definately one of the biggest fans of Ardour and Linux audio, and have built my studio around it. http://nostar.net/ I figured now was a good time to post the site on LAU since this week we took quite an interesting turn. My anti-digital, refugee from the 60's, guitar genius bandmate finally coersed me into the analog realm. The fact that he bought all this hi-end analog gear sure helped too, this stuff just looks cool! (insert Tim Allen grunt here). Not as a replacement though, but rather as an addition to the input chain; to be used as an 'effect'. We are going to beat this one to death, it's gonna get real ugly! We are going to do some totally digital free recordings; then recording all tracks to the analog deck, and output them track-by-track to ardour; then record direct to ardour, output track-by-track to the deck, and back to ardour again. I'm also going to experiment with driving the signal into the deck at various levels, trying to find the 'sweet spot'. With a little luck, this will help break down the barrier between these 2 technologies, and maybe even squash some of the stereotypes associated with the technologies used, and the people that use them. I got the ball rolling and started familiarizing myself with the machine by taking some simple exported stereo wav files, and playing them into 2 tracks of the deck, then recording back to Ardour. Samples are available on the site. I was pretty impressed with the outcome. As far as the music is concerned, for the past year or so, it's been the 2 of us doing drums and guitar live, in an improv fashion. We then screen thru the session looking for worthy jams to overdub bass, vocals, leads, etc. Thats the entire lineup to date in a nutshell. We just scored a bass player this week as well, so it's gig time soon! Doug -- http://nostar.net/ From peder at musikhuset.org Mon Oct 3 09:21:13 2005 From: peder at musikhuset.org (Peder Hedlund) Date: Mon Oct 3 09:21:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Juli@ card In-Reply-To: <20051003084021.GA9338@sunet.se> References: <20051003084021.GA9338@sunet.se> Message-ID: > Anyone got experience with this card? I'm about to get me a new card > for my small studio and I thought of buying a Audiophile 2496 but my > normal dealer didn't have that one so he recommended Juli@. I saw that Hej Bengt. I have no idea about Juli@, but I'd go for an Audiophile if I were you. It might take a while for ALSA to work fully with the Juli@ (see http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.user/20279), whereas the Audiophile is old and stable in ALSA. I bought mine on-line from Thomann (http://www.thomann.de/thoiw5_index.html) for 88EUR + 15EUR shipping (~960kr) and had it four days later. One nifty thing the ESI Juli@ seems to have, though, is the switchable balanced/unbalanced connectors. - Peder From rtp405 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 3 09:49:46 2005 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Mon Oct 3 09:50:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Juli@ card In-Reply-To: <20051003084021.GA9338@sunet.se> Message-ID: <20051003134946.89428.qmail@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Bengt G?rd?n wrote: > > Anyone got experience with this card? I'm about to > get me a new card > for my small studio and I thought of buying a > Audiophile 2496 but my > normal dealer didn't have that one so he recommended > Juli@. I saw that > ALSA is about to make a driver for it. If you need something usable I wouldn't consider a device that's gonna have a driver. Unless the driver developer assures you that it will be working by a date that makes sense for you. ron > regards, > > > - Bengan > ----------------------------------------------------------- > - KTHNOC/SUNET/NORDUnet | > http://www.sunet.se/~bengan | 08-7906586 - > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Oct 3 10:10:33 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Oct 3 10:03:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again Message-ID: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> Greetings: How do I set up the networking in AGNULA/Demudi 1.2.1 ? I've installed the system on a second disk in my desktop system. I want to sh*tcan the 2.6.12 kernel asap, but I have no network connection. I fixed /etc/network/interfaces and can see eth0 in ifconfig's report, but where is the tool to configure the interface ?? Best, dp From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 11:06:19 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Oct 3 11:06:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510030806n17ee555fv5583907b74cab12e@mail.gmail.com> On 10/3/05, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > How do I set up the networking in AGNULA/Demudi 1.2.1 ? > > I've installed the system on a second disk in my desktop system. I > want to sh*tcan the 2.6.12 kernel asap, but I have no network > connection. I fixed /etc/network/interfaces and can see eth0 in > ifconfig's report, but where is the tool to configure the interface ?? The hardway would be with ifconfig and route, no? I've never run Agnula so I couldn't guess at the 'right' way. Sorry. From robin at rektau.ukfsn.org Mon Oct 3 11:32:12 2005 From: robin at rektau.ukfsn.org (robin) Date: Mon Oct 3 11:32:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <43414EFC.3090500@rektau.ukfsn.org> Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > How do I set up the networking in AGNULA/Demudi 1.2.1 ? > > I've installed the system on a second disk in my desktop system. I want > to sh*tcan the 2.6.12 kernel asap, but I have no network connection. I > fixed /etc/network/interfaces and can see eth0 in ifconfig's report, but > where is the tool to configure the interface ?? > > Best, > > dp > > > On the command-line network-admin robin From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Oct 3 11:58:45 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Oct 3 11:51:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510030806n17ee555fv5583907b74cab12e@mail.gmail.com> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510030806n17ee555fv5583907b74cab12e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43415535.5020807@woh.rr.com> Hi Mark: Thanks for the note, but the utterly non-obvious solution was to run pump, watch it fail, then run '/etc/init.d/networking restart'. Yep, clear as mud. Best, dp Mark Knecht wrote: >On 10/3/05, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >>Greetings: >> >> How do I set up the networking in AGNULA/Demudi 1.2.1 ? >> >> I've installed the system on a second disk in my desktop system. I >>want to sh*tcan the 2.6.12 kernel asap, but I have no network >>connection. I fixed /etc/network/interfaces and can see eth0 in >>ifconfig's report, but where is the tool to configure the interface ?? >> >> > >The hardway would be with ifconfig and route, no? > >I've never run Agnula so I couldn't guess at the 'right' way. Sorry. > > > > From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Oct 3 12:22:15 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Oct 3 12:15:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <43414EFC.3090500@rektau.ukfsn.org> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <43414EFC.3090500@rektau.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <43415AB7.6070806@woh.rr.com> robin wrote: > On the command-line network-admin That would have been easy, but no such utility exists for this installation. Best, dp From hans at fugal.net Mon Oct 3 12:21:39 2005 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Mon Oct 3 12:21:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20051003162139.GB17143@falcon.fugal.net> ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 Or as you said, /etc/init.d/networking restart usually works too. On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 at 10:10 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > How do I set up the networking in AGNULA/Demudi 1.2.1 ? > > I've installed the system on a second disk in my desktop system. I > want to sh*tcan the 2.6.12 kernel asap, but I have no network > connection. I fixed /etc/network/interfaces and can see eth0 in > ifconfig's report, but where is the tool to configure the interface ?? > > Best, > > dp > -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051003/7f1b9649/attachment.bin From bengan at sunet.se Mon Oct 3 13:35:54 2005 From: bengan at sunet.se (Bengt =?iso-8859-1?B?R/ZyZOlu?=) Date: Mon Oct 3 13:36:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Juli@ card In-Reply-To: References: <20051003084021.GA9338@sunet.se> Message-ID: <20051003173554.GA9270@sunet.se> On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 03:21:13PM +0200, Peder Hedlund wrote: > > Anyone got experience with this card? I'm about to get me a new card > > for my small studio and I thought of buying a Audiophile 2496 but my > > normal dealer didn't have that one so he recommended Juli@. I saw that > > Hej Bengt. Hej Peder, > I have no idea about Juli@, but I'd go for an Audiophile if I were you. > It might take a while for ALSA to work fully with the Juli@ > (see http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.user/20279), whereas > the Audiophile is old and stable in ALSA. > > I bought mine on-line from Thomann (http://www.thomann.de/thoiw5_index.html) > for 88EUR + 15EUR shipping (~960kr) and had it four days later. Ok. I think I go for that to. It seems like a fair deal and short shipping time. > One nifty thing the ESI Juli@ seems to have, though, is the switchable > balanced/unbalanced connectors. Yes. Thats actually why I didn't just dismiss the recommendation from the dealer. It seemed like a nice feature. regards, - Bengan ----------------------------------------------------------- - KTHNOC/SUNET/NORDUnet | http://www.sunet.se/~bengan | 08-7906586 - From a at gaydenko.com Mon Oct 3 14:13:22 2005 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Mon Oct 3 14:13:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] is bugtrack.alsa-project.org offline? Message-ID: <200510032213.22401@goldspace.net> It seems like http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org is offline during few last days. Is it for me only? From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 15:11:58 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Oct 3 15:12:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] is bugtrack.alsa-project.org offline? In-Reply-To: <200510032213.22401@goldspace.net> References: <200510032213.22401@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510031211p59374292q53dd955343099789@mail.gmail.com> Works for me but it does come up with a credentials problem. Possibly you're blocking sites with bad credentials? Anyway, it worked. Cheers, Mark On 10/3/05, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: > It seems like > > http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org > > is offline during few last days. Is it for me only? > From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Oct 3 09:00:18 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon Oct 3 15:20:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <43415AB7.6070806@woh.rr.com> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <43414EFC.3090500@rektau.ukfsn.org> <43415AB7.6070806@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200510031300.18994.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Monday 03 October 2005 16:22, Dave Phillips wrote: > robin wrote: > > On the command-line network-admin > > That would have been easy, but no such utility exists for this > installation. > > Best, > > dp Hi Dave. If you want to have a go at a "roll your own" Gentoo style config, I'm sending my /etc/network/interfaces file. This is from my Debian Sarge install, set up statically (no dhcp) . You'll need to change "Address" to the IPaddress you want to use for the machine, and maybe the gateway if you're not using 192.168.0.1. The rest should be ok if you're using addresses in the range 192.168.x.x. The entry "auto eth0" is to start the network at bootup. # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) # The loopback interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian installation # (network, broadcast and gateway are optional) auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.7 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 gateway 192.168.0.1 iface dsl-provider inet ppp provider dsl-provider # please do not modify the following line pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up # line maintained by pppoeconf You will also need to edit /etc/resolv.conf adding your DNS IP address, which should be showing on your other install. Mine is. nameserver 213.36.80.1 Just change the address to that supplied by you're ISP. Otherwise just copy what is in those two files on your other machine, changing the address line to a different IP address specific to the machine that the OS is on. You'll probably need to re-boot the machine after making the changes. Fedora Core has a nice interface for setting up the network, and Gentoo, if I remember correctly uses the same one. Debian has something called DSL/PPPoE configuration tool, which I havn't tried as the network was setup on install, but I have changed the IP address of the machine with no problem in /etc/network/interfaces. It's a pity that some distro's make it so difficult to setup something so necessary as the network. Another thing to consider is if your network card is detected, and the driver loaded at bootup. I use Realtek 8139 cards and the driver is 8139too. Running /sbin/lsmod should identify the NIC's driver on your other install. With the 2.6 kernel I had to add the driver to /etc/modules. Post back if I've missed anything or am insulting you're inteligence. All the best. Nigel. From robin at rektau.ukfsn.org Mon Oct 3 15:32:06 2005 From: robin at rektau.ukfsn.org (robin) Date: Mon Oct 3 15:32:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <43415AB7.6070806@woh.rr.com> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <43414EFC.3090500@rektau.ukfsn.org> <43415AB7.6070806@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <43418736.6060700@rektau.ukfsn.org> Dave Phillips wrote: > robin wrote: > >> On the command-line network-admin > > > That would have been easy, but no such utility exists for this > installation. > > Best, > > dp > > > Not on the installation cd? robin From a at gaydenko.com Mon Oct 3 16:09:52 2005 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Mon Oct 3 16:09:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] is bugtrack.alsa-project.org offline? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510031211p59374292q53dd955343099789@mail.gmail.com> References: <200510032213.22401@goldspace.net> <5bdc1c8b0510031211p59374292q53dd955343099789@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200510040009.52986@goldspace.net> Mark, Thank you! Using traceroute (and knowing the site is working), I have found the problem at budejovice.inway.net host :-( Andrew ======= On Monday 03 October 2005 23:11, Mark Knecht wrote: ======= Works for me but it does come up with a credentials problem. Possibly you're blocking sites with bad credentials? Anyway, it worked. Cheers, Mark From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Oct 3 16:19:25 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Oct 3 16:12:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <200510031300.18994.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <43414EFC.3090500@rektau.ukfsn.org> <43415AB7.6070806@woh.rr.com> <200510031300.18994.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <4341924D.5080202@woh.rr.com> Nigel Henry wrote: >Hi Dave. If you want to have a go at a "roll your own" Gentoo style config, >I'm sending my /etc/network/interfaces file. This is from my Debian Sarge >install, set up statically (no dhcp). [snip] > Hi Nigel: Thank you for the detailed conf file, I've saved it for future reference if/when necessary. I did get the network up & running after fixing /etc/network/interfaces to see eth0 at boot and running the pump utility. Curiously, pump said it failed but brought up and connected the interface anyway. >Post back if I've missed anything or am insulting you're inteligence. All the best. Nigel. > > > My girlfriend says it's impossible to insult my intelligence. I think she means something rather disparaging by that comment... ;) Thank you again for the file. Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Oct 3 16:21:20 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Oct 3 16:14:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <43418736.6060700@rektau.ukfsn.org> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <43414EFC.3090500@rektau.ukfsn.org> <43415AB7.6070806@woh.rr.com> <43418736.6060700@rektau.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <434192C0.3030001@woh.rr.com> robin wrote: > Dave Phillips wrote: > >> robin wrote: >> >>> On the command-line network-admin >> >> >> >> That would have been easy, but no such utility exists for this >> installation. >> >> Best, >> >> dp >> >> >> > Not on the installation cd? > No. :( But I did get the network connection going. Now I need to replace my DVD drive that just puked and died... It has not been a nice day. Best, dp From mlang at delysid.org Mon Oct 3 17:44:04 2005 From: mlang at delysid.org (Mario Lang) Date: Mon Oct 3 17:44:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Live SuperCollider BBCut2 breakbeats Message-ID: <871x32s2cb.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> Hi. Since people have been discussing breakbeat creation on this list recently, I'd like to show you something neat. http://mozart.soundportal.at:8000/delYsid.ogg currently features a SuperCollider3 BBCut2 demo. The code in use basically iterates over a selection of 150 loops applying all sorts of effects and different cut procedures. BBCut2 is a extremely cool extension for SuperCollider3. Just listen in, endless fun for people fascinated by the rhythmic aspects of breakbeat sounds. I'll probably let it run for at least a day or two. Stream created with SuperCollider3, BBCut2, JACK, oddcastv3 -- CYa, Mario From ninjadroid at gazuga.net Mon Oct 3 20:39:25 2005 From: ninjadroid at gazuga.net (Pete Bessman) Date: Mon Oct 3 20:39:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] menopause In-Reply-To: <4340663A.1000606@machinehasnoagenda.com> References: <4340663A.1000606@machinehasnoagenda.com> Message-ID: <1128386365.4892.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-10-03 at 08:59 +1000, Shayne O'Connor wrote: > > but you, you silly prick, just happened to provoke me in the midst of it > all, and just because you harbour lingering resentment over our > differing opinions on gnu/linux ... how transparent and weak. Jigga, I didn't even know you were the same guy till you mentioned it. Damn you's a bitter dude. (o.O) -- Pete Bessman http://gazuga.net "So this baby seal walks into a club." From forums at machinehasnoagenda.com Mon Oct 3 21:15:51 2005 From: forums at machinehasnoagenda.com (Shayne O'Connor) Date: Mon Oct 3 21:14:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] menopause In-Reply-To: <1128386365.4892.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4340663A.1000606@machinehasnoagenda.com> <1128386365.4892.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4341D7C7.102@machinehasnoagenda.com> Pete Bessman wrote: > On Mon, 2005-10-03 at 08:59 +1000, Shayne O'Connor wrote: > >>but you, you silly prick, just happened to provoke me in the midst of it >>all, and just because you harbour lingering resentment over our >>differing opinions on gnu/linux ... how transparent and weak. > > > Jigga, I didn't even know you were the same guy till you mentioned it. > > Damn you's a bitter dude. (o.O) > yeah? so what's with tim's gnu/balls? > No need to kick Tim in his GNU/Balls because he didn't > give your remix a rimjob. damn, you's a dishonest dude. shayne From ninjadroid at gazuga.net Mon Oct 3 22:03:37 2005 From: ninjadroid at gazuga.net (Pete Bessman) Date: Mon Oct 3 22:03:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] menopause In-Reply-To: <4341D7C7.102@machinehasnoagenda.com> References: <4340663A.1000606@machinehasnoagenda.com> <1128386365.4892.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4341D7C7.102@machinehasnoagenda.com> Message-ID: <1128391417.4892.79.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 11:15 +1000, Shayne O'Connor wrote: > yeah? so what's with tim's gnu/balls? You just don't seem to have much luck with humor. But since you can't see the simulacrum for the projection... aw hell. Congratulations --- you found me out! http://gazuga.net/stuph/prize.jpg -- Pete Bessman http://gazuga.net "So this baby seal walks into a club." From ninjadroid at gazuga.net Mon Oct 3 22:19:18 2005 From: ninjadroid at gazuga.net (Pete Bessman) Date: Mon Oct 3 22:19:23 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] menopause In-Reply-To: <4341D7C7.102@machinehasnoagenda.com> References: <4340663A.1000606@machinehasnoagenda.com> <1128386365.4892.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4341D7C7.102@machinehasnoagenda.com> Message-ID: <1128392358.4892.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> Well holy hell. No wonder you've got sand in your vagina --- that would appear to be your MO. I go looking for that debate over GNU/Linux, just to verify that you are indeed the same guy, and what do I find? http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2005- March/022213.html "Holly jesus. What is that? What the FUCK is that? WHAT IS THAT PRIVATE PYLE!?" *PLONK* -- Pete Bessman http://gazuga.net "So this baby seal walks into a club." From wolfgang at lonien.de Tue Oct 4 00:32:57 2005 From: wolfgang at lonien.de (Wolfgang Lonien) Date: Tue Oct 4 00:31:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <434192C0.3030001@woh.rr.com> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <43414EFC.3090500@rektau.ukfsn.org> <43415AB7.6070806@woh.rr.com> <43418736.6060700@rektau.ukfsn.org> <434192C0.3030001@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <434205F9.1070005@lonien.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dave, hi Robin, >> Dave Phillips wrote: >> >>> robin wrote: >>> >>>> On the command-line network-admin 'network-admin' is a Gnome-based tool. I'd never use these... (no KDE tool as well) >>> That would have been easy, but no such utility exists for this >>> installation. You don't habe Gnome installed, right? >> Not on the installation cd? Should be there if you used Agnula/Demudi. If not, it's just an 'apt-get install gnome' away. But like someone posted here already, /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf are your friends, followed by /etc/init.d/networking restart. cheers, wjl -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDQgX4qrjTanKNm9ARAg3RAJ9oNpxOZmI+8b0m2f2HcRnx6F3fjgCfW9us Ix4H3PHlN0LAU9QcYSYPN4k= =9hNO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From forums at machinehasnoagenda.com Tue Oct 4 00:59:56 2005 From: forums at machinehasnoagenda.com (Shayne O'Connor) Date: Tue Oct 4 00:58:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] menopause In-Reply-To: <1128392358.4892.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4340663A.1000606@machinehasnoagenda.com> <1128386365.4892.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4341D7C7.102@machinehasnoagenda.com> <1128392358.4892.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43420C4C.8030603@machinehasnoagenda.com> Pete Bessman wrote: > Well holy hell. No wonder you've got sand in your vagina --- that would > appear to be your MO. I go looking for that debate over GNU/Linux, just > to verify that you are indeed the same guy, and what do I find? > > http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2005- > March/022213.html > > "Holly jesus. What is that? What the FUCK is that? WHAT IS THAT PRIVATE > PYLE!?" > > *PLONK* > um, yeah - that's all old news ... everyone here knows about that, forgave and forgot (?), and i'm even in receipt of a steady stream of spam as my designated contrition ... i understood and admitted my stupidity (which, as a bush voter, is not a luxury you can afford): http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2005-March/022217.html but you're pretty particular about what details you include when referring to debates/arguments, aren't you: http://blog.gazuga.net/?p=7 i'm glad you ended up representing my side of the argument with this: > The following fulmination was in response to a message on the LAU mailing list which, in essence, said that ?GNU/Linux? > ?Linux.? > that thread seemed to strike a chord with you, rather than being something you'd forgotten about and had to ransack some web archives over. > sand in your vagina man, you have *real* problems ... i think i was right in the first place - maybe fucking yr mum would resolve some of these issues for you. shayne From forums at machinehasnoagenda.com Tue Oct 4 01:02:22 2005 From: forums at machinehasnoagenda.com (Shayne O'Connor) Date: Tue Oct 4 01:00:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] menopause In-Reply-To: <1128391417.4892.79.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4340663A.1000606@machinehasnoagenda.com> <1128386365.4892.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4341D7C7.102@machinehasnoagenda.com> <1128391417.4892.79.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43420CDE.9030506@machinehasnoagenda.com> Pete Bessman wrote: > On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 11:15 +1000, Shayne O'Connor wrote: > >>yeah? so what's with tim's gnu/balls? > > > You just don't seem to have much luck with humor. i think it's more like this: your humour isn't very funny. sorry, but it's really not. it's not even humour, you idiot. shayne From hanaghan at starband.net Tue Oct 4 01:28:41 2005 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Tue Oct 4 01:25:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] menopause In-Reply-To: <43420CDE.9030506@machinehasnoagenda.com> References: <4340663A.1000606@machinehasnoagenda.com> <1128386365.4892.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4341D7C7.102@machinehasnoagenda.com> <1128391417.4892.79.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43420CDE.9030506@machinehasnoagenda.com> Message-ID: <43421309.3030603@starband.net> Shayne O'Connor wrote: > Pete Bessman wrote: > >> On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 11:15 +1000, Shayne O'Connor wrote: >> >>> yeah? so what's with tim's gnu/balls? >> >> >> >> You just don't seem to have much luck with humor. > > > i think it's more like this: > > your humour isn't very funny. sorry, but it's really not. it's not > even humour, you idiot. > > shayne > If you two want to go at it, don't let me stop you...but do you think you could take it off list? Or is audience participation a requirement?? This is not the place! R~ From rtp405 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 4 01:43:27 2005 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Tue Oct 4 01:43:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] menopause In-Reply-To: <43420CDE.9030506@machinehasnoagenda.com> Message-ID: <20051004054327.43084.qmail@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Shayne O'Connor wrote: > Pete Bessman wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 11:15 +1000, Shayne O'Connor > wrote: > > > >>yeah? so what's with tim's gnu/balls? > > > > > > You just don't seem to have much luck with humor. > > > i think it's more like this: > > your humour isn't very funny. sorry, but it's really > not. it's not even > humour, you idiot. Before the please take it somewhere else montra gets fired up I gotta say that I'm laughing my ass off. I have no problem with the swearing and insults. I think it's fabulous. This thread was an excellent read to go along with my water packed albacore tuna sandwich. I'd like to read some fresh responses with my morning coffee. Consider accomodating my request a showing of support for my continued efforts to not smoke cigarettes. Show an old man some love. I'm going nutts out here. ron > shayne > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From rtp405 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 4 01:48:04 2005 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Tue Oct 4 01:48:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] menopause In-Reply-To: <43421309.3030603@starband.net> Message-ID: <20051004054805.99736.qmail@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Russell Hanaghan wrote: > Shayne O'Connor wrote: > > > Pete Bessman wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 11:15 +1000, Shayne > O'Connor wrote: > >> > >>> yeah? so what's with tim's gnu/balls? > >> > >> > >> > >> You just don't seem to have much luck with humor. > > > > > > > i think it's more like this: > > > > your humour isn't very funny. sorry, but it's > really not. it's not > > even humour, you idiot. > > > > shayne > > > If you two want to go at it, don't let me stop > you...but do you think > you could take it off list? Or is audience > participation a requirement?? > > This is not the place! Oh RUSSELL, I'm tired of reading alsa this and jack that. I was having fun reading this thread. You owe me a beer for this. ron > R~ > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From hanaghan at starband.net Tue Oct 4 01:58:01 2005 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Tue Oct 4 01:54:52 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] menopause In-Reply-To: <20051004054327.43084.qmail@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051004054327.43084.qmail@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <434219E9.3080007@starband.net> R Parker wrote: >--- Shayne O'Connor >wrote: > > > >>Pete Bessman wrote: >> >> >>>On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 11:15 +1000, Shayne O'Connor >>> >>> >>wrote: >> >> >>>>yeah? so what's with tim's gnu/balls? >>>> >>>> >>>You just don't seem to have much luck with humor. >>> >>> >>i think it's more like this: >> >>your humour isn't very funny. sorry, but it's really >>not. it's not even >>humour, you idiot. >> >> > >Before the please take it somewhere else montra gets >fired up I gotta say that I'm laughing my ass off. I >have no problem with the swearing and insults. I think >it's fabulous. This thread was an excellent read to go >along with my water packed albacore tuna sandwich. I'd >like to read some fresh responses with my morning >coffee. Consider accomodating my request a showing of >support for my continued efforts to not smoke >cigarettes. Show an old man some love. I'm going nutts >out here. > >ron > > > Bad Ron! Bad, Bad Ron!!!! As for "not smoking" my heart goes out to you! I DO care~~ :) I had them gone but they returned!! Bad Cigarettes, Bad, bad, BAD Cigarettes!!!! >>shayne >> >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From hanaghan at starband.net Tue Oct 4 02:07:57 2005 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Tue Oct 4 02:04:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] menopause In-Reply-To: <20051004054805.99736.qmail@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051004054805.99736.qmail@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43421C3D.9010501@starband.net> R Parker wrote: >--- Russell Hanaghan wrote: > > > >>Shayne O'Connor wrote: >> >> >> >>>Pete Bessman wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 11:15 +1000, Shayne >>>> >>>> >>O'Connor wrote: >> >> >>>>>yeah? so what's with tim's gnu/balls? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>You just don't seem to have much luck with humor. >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>>i think it's more like this: >>> >>>your humour isn't very funny. sorry, but it's >>> >>> >>really not. it's not >> >> >>>even humour, you idiot. >>> >>>shayne >>> >>> >>> >>If you two want to go at it, don't let me stop >>you...but do you think >>you could take it off list? Or is audience >>participation a requirement?? >> >>This is not the place! >> >> > >Oh RUSSELL, I'm tired of reading alsa this and jack >that. I was having fun reading this thread. You owe me >a beer for this. > >ron > > LMAO~ I beg your forgiveness oh nervous one!! A beer it is! REAL beer from the land "down under" even...but it only makes you want to SMOKE more!! At least it did me. R~ From forums at machinehasnoagenda.com Tue Oct 4 02:08:03 2005 From: forums at machinehasnoagenda.com (Shayne O'Connor) Date: Tue Oct 4 02:06:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] menopause In-Reply-To: <434219E9.3080007@starband.net> References: <20051004054327.43084.qmail@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <434219E9.3080007@starband.net> Message-ID: <43421C43.5050301@machinehasnoagenda.com> Russell Hanaghan wrote: > R Parker wrote: > >> --- Shayne O'Connor >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Pete Bessman wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 11:15 +1000, Shayne O'Connor >>>> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> yeah? so what's with tim's gnu/balls? >>>>> >>>> >>>> You just don't seem to have much luck with humor. >>> >>> i think it's more like this: >>> >>> your humour isn't very funny. sorry, but it's really >>> not. it's not even humour, you idiot. >>> >> >> >> Before the please take it somewhere else montra gets >> fired up I gotta say that I'm laughing my ass off. I >> have no problem with the swearing and insults. I think >> it's fabulous. This thread was an excellent read to go >> along with my water packed albacore tuna sandwich. I'd >> like to read some fresh responses with my morning >> coffee. Consider accomodating my request a showing of >> support for my continued efforts to not smoke >> cigarettes. Show an old man some love. I'm going nutts >> out here. ha ha, glad you've enjoyed it ron ... it's been good to blow off some steam, but yeah, i agree with russell, and have suggested to peter that we take it off list and just ignore each other on-list ... it's been good to give my darker side a bit of creative encouragement, but geez ... it's getting uglier ... most of my fault, i'd say, or i'm willing to accept most of it ... anyway, show's over folks, nothing more to see (it's fair though, that i let pete have the last hit ... > > Bad Ron! Bad, Bad Ron!!!! > > As for "not smoking" my heart goes out to you! I DO care~~ :) I had > them gone but they returned!! me, too ... good luck with it ron, sorry we can't give you some vicarious outlet anymore ;) shayne From rtp405 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 4 02:26:38 2005 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Tue Oct 4 02:26:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] menopause In-Reply-To: <43421C43.5050301@machinehasnoagenda.com> Message-ID: <20051004062638.4035.qmail@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Bad Ron! Bad, Bad Ron!!!! > > > > As for "not smoking" my heart goes out to you! I > DO care~~ :) I had > > them gone but they returned!! > > > me, too ... good luck with it ron, sorry we can't > give you some > vicarious outlet anymore ;) Damned it all! I never get what I want. Reguarding the smoking; don't worry 'bout that. I was doing pushups on my knuckles to relieve the tension. It wasn't helping so I switched to doing them on my tongue. Tomorrow I get a job and call the X. ron > shayne > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From rtp405 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 4 03:33:15 2005 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Tue Oct 4 03:33:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] if no more fighting then have a MWL WIP Message-ID: <20051004073315.12015.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This song is a Made With Linux (MWL) Work In Progress (WIP). The tracks are there but it's unmixed. The players are Bill, Dana, and Joey Bailey and myself. Licensing All rights are reserved. Please download, send it to a friend but do not post on any servers, remix or sample it. In time we will release CC licensed multitracks and mixes. Now is not the right time for us. I'm releasing it to express my eternal gratitude for all the misinformation and fighting that happens on this list. I love this list. It makes me happy. http://www.iaxs.net/~rparker/happy-wip04.ogg ron __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From fbar at footils.org Tue Oct 4 03:45:09 2005 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Oct 4 03:49:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <4341924D.5080202@woh.rr.com> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <43414EFC.3090500@rektau.ukfsn.org> <43415AB7.6070806@woh.rr.com> <200510031300.18994.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <4341924D.5080202@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20051004074509.GA18997@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Dave Phillips hat gesagt: // Dave Phillips wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > > >Hi Dave. If you want to have a go at a "roll your own" Gentoo style > >config, I'm sending my /etc/network/interfaces file. This is from my > >Debian Sarge install, set up statically (no dhcp). [snip] > > > Hi Nigel: > > Thank you for the detailed conf file, I've saved it for future > reference if/when necessary. I did get the network up & running after > fixing /etc/network/interfaces to see eth0 at boot and running the pump > utility. Curiously, pump said it failed but brought up and connected the > interface anyway. I've never used pump, but if you'd use dhcp (whose Debian package I think conflicts with pump) you could instead manage the dhcp configuration inside /etc/network/interfaces as well. Just replace iface eth0 inet static # ... with iface eth0 inet dhcp # without addresses etc.! To manually start a dhcp lookup, you can still use "sudo dhclient eth0" similar to how pump is used AFAIK. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From forums at machinehasnoagenda.com Tue Oct 4 04:14:11 2005 From: forums at machinehasnoagenda.com (Shayne O'Connor) Date: Tue Oct 4 04:12:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] if no more fighting then have a MWL WIP In-Reply-To: <20051004073315.12015.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051004073315.12015.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <434239D3.1060904@machinehasnoagenda.com> R Parker wrote: > This song is a Made With Linux (MWL) Work In Progress > (WIP). The tracks are there but it's unmixed. The > players are Bill, Dana, and Joey Bailey and myself. > > Licensing > All rights are reserved. Please download, send it to a > friend but do not post on any servers, remix or sample > it. > > In time we will release CC licensed multitracks and > mixes. Now is not the right time for us. > > I'm releasing it to express my eternal gratitude for > all the misinformation and fighting that happens on > this list. I love this list. It makes me happy. > > http://www.iaxs.net/~rparker/happy-wip04.ogg i'm glad the misinformation and fighting can encourage posts of music ... yay for flames!!!! speaking of flames, this plays well on my chant/sing-a-long playlist ... with arcade fire, disaster plan and others ... makes me really want to hear some footstomps/handclaps in there somewhere. can't wait for the final mix, and - if it happens - to make something really funny from it ;) btw - i'm a bit confused ... is this like the same band as did "turn back the tide"? shayne From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Tue Oct 4 04:19:14 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Tue Oct 4 04:19:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200510040919.14998.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Monday 03 October 2005 15:10, Dave Phillips was like: > ? How do I set up the networking in AGNULA/Demudi 1.2.1 ? > > ? I've installed the system on a second disk in my desktop system. I > want to sh*tcan the 2.6.12 kernel asap, but I have no network > connection. I fixed /etc/network/interfaces and can see eth0 in > ifconfig's report, but where is the tool to configure the interface ?? A/DeMuDi uses the GNOME guis Debian Menu > Apps > System > Network Admin ... & > GNOME Network Tool -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Tue Oct 4 04:23:23 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Tue Oct 4 04:23:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <43415535.5020807@woh.rr.com> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510030806n17ee555fv5583907b74cab12e@mail.gmail.com> <43415535.5020807@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200510040923.24233.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Monday 03 October 2005 16:58, Dave Phillips was like: > Yep, clear as mud. Please suggest what could be added to this to make it more clear. http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/DocumentsFaq#Icantconnecttothenetwork -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From debian at fastwebnet.it Tue Oct 4 04:29:53 2005 From: debian at fastwebnet.it (Antonio) Date: Tue Oct 4 04:29:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which patch for 2.6.13 Message-ID: <1128414594.3637.13.camel@localhost> Hi to the list, now that I've a stable setup with the vanilla 2.6.13.2 kernel I want to try to patch it for low-latency. I'm a bit confused on which patch to apply. I think I have to apply this: realtime-preempt-2.6.13-rc6-RT-V0.7.53-11 and maybe this: patch-2.6.13-rt14 but I'm not sure. I'm taking the patches from: http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/older/ Sorry for the banal question. Best Regards, ~ Antonio From peder at musikhuset.org Tue Oct 4 05:40:32 2005 From: peder at musikhuset.org (Peder Hedlund) Date: Tue Oct 4 05:40:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which patch for 2.6.13 In-Reply-To: <1128414594.3637.13.camel@localhost> References: <1128414594.3637.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > now that I've a stable setup with the vanilla 2.6.13.2 kernel I want to > try to patch it for low-latency. > I'm a bit confused on which patch to apply. I think I have to apply > this: > realtime-preempt-2.6.13-rc6-RT-V0.7.53-11 > and maybe this: > patch-2.6.13-rt14 Ingo seems to have abandoned the realtime-preempt-2.6.x-y-RT-Vz nomenclature and changed it to patch-2.6.x-rty I think you have to follow the kernel versions pretty accurately when using Ingos' patches. You'd better get the 2.6.14-rc3 kernel from ftp://ftp.it.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/linux-2.6.14-rc3.tar.bz2 (or revert the .2 version and get the 2.6.14-rc3 patch) and get patch-2.6.14-rc3-rt2 from his site. It might work to patch 2.6.13.2 with say patch-2.6.13-rt14, but then again it might not. - Peder From carotinobg at yahoo.it Tue Oct 4 05:53:24 2005 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Tue Oct 4 05:55:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which patch for 2.6.13 In-Reply-To: <1128414594.3637.13.camel@localhost> References: <1128414594.3637.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200510041153.24286.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 10:29, marted? 4 ottobre 2005, Antonio ha scritto: > Hi to the list, > > now that I've a stable setup with the vanilla 2.6.13.2 kernel I want to > try to patch it for low-latency. > > I'm a bit confused on which patch to apply. I think I have to apply > this: > > realtime-preempt-2.6.13-rc6-RT-V0.7.53-11 > > and maybe this: > > patch-2.6.13-rt14 > > but I'm not sure. I'm taking the patches from: > > http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/older/ > > > Sorry for the banal question. I followed the instructions at this page: http://www.jacklab.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=236&Itemid=221&lang=en_EN The realtime-lsm module is very easy to build, while I'm not sure about the usefulness of realtime preemption. The other way to obtain realtime is to use PAM etc. but it's more difficult than following this way. Byez! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 05:59:30 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Oct 4 05:59:33 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which patch for 2.6.13 In-Reply-To: References: <1128414594.3637.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510040259v27b4605bw8819d77700b277f8@mail.gmail.com> On 10/4/05, Peder Hedlund wrote: > > now that I've a stable setup with the vanilla 2.6.13.2 kernel I want to > > try to patch it for low-latency. > > I'm a bit confused on which patch to apply. I think I have to apply > > this: > > realtime-preempt-2.6.13-rc6-RT-V0.7.53-11 > > and maybe this: > > patch-2.6.13-rt14 > > Ingo seems to have abandoned the realtime-preempt-2.6.x-y-RT-Vz > nomenclature and changed it to patch-2.6.x-rty > > I think you have to follow the kernel versions pretty accurately > when using Ingos' patches. You'd better get the 2.6.14-rc3 kernel from > ftp://ftp.it.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/linux-2.6.14-rc3.tar.bz2 > (or revert the .2 version and get the 2.6.14-rc3 patch) > and get patch-2.6.14-rc3-rt2 from his site. > > It might work to patch 2.6.13.2 with say patch-2.6.13-rt14, but then > again it might not. > > - Peder Hi, I am running 2.6.14-rc3-rt1 on my AMD4. Itis working *pretty* well although I am having a few concerns. About twice a day I get a little rash of xruns and sometimes the machine gets hung at power down removing Alsa. None the less it's the only thing that works even this well with my AMD64 SATA stuff so I'm happy. Ingo just released rt2. Here's paths to the stuff you need to build it: http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.13.tar.bz2 http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/patch-2.6.14-rc3.bz2 http://redhat.com/~mingo/realtime-preempt/patch-2.6.14-rc3-rt2 Note that you patch 2.6.13, not 2.6.13.2 to get here. Note also that this is NOT a stable kernel. There may be issues. People mention LOTS of weird little issues on the kernel mailing list. HTH, Mark From debian at fastwebnet.it Tue Oct 4 06:06:09 2005 From: debian at fastwebnet.it (Antonio) Date: Tue Oct 4 06:06:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which patch for 2.6.13 In-Reply-To: References: <1128414594.3637.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1128420369.6252.2.camel@localhost> Hi Peder, On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 11:40 +0200, Peder Hedlund wrote: [cut] > Ingo seems to have abandoned the realtime-preempt-2.6.x-y-RT-Vz > nomenclature and changed it to patch-2.6.x-rty > > I think you have to follow the kernel versions pretty accurately > when using Ingos' patches. You'd better get the 2.6.14-rc3 kernel from > ftp://ftp.it.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/linux-2.6.14-rc3.tar.bz2 > (or revert the .2 version and get the 2.6.14-rc3 patch) > and get patch-2.6.14-rc3-rt2 from his site. > > It might work to patch 2.6.13.2 with say patch-2.6.13-rt14, but then > again it might not. Thanks, now I've understanded. I'll try the 2.6.14-rc4, it should be quite stable by now. Best Regards, ~ Antonio From mista.tapas at gmx.net Tue Oct 4 06:19:24 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Tue Oct 4 06:19:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which patch for 2.6.13 In-Reply-To: <1128414594.3637.13.camel@localhost> References: <1128414594.3637.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20051004121924.1014bde7@mango.fruits.de> On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:29:53 +0200 Antonio wrote: > Hi to the list, > > now that I've a stable setup with the vanilla 2.6.13.2 kernel I want to > try to patch it for low-latency. > > I'm a bit confused on which patch to apply. I think I have to apply > this: > > realtime-preempt-2.6.13-rc6-RT-V0.7.53-11 > > and maybe this: > > patch-2.6.13-rt14 > > but I'm not sure. I'm taking the patches from: > > http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/older/ Hi, the answer to your question is neither, as rt patches usually get applied to either stable releases without minor minor (?) number or release candidates (in earlier days they were sometimes based on mm kernels, too). Example: the current version of the RP patches is this: http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/patch-2.6.14-rc3-rt2 For this kernel you need to apply 2.6.13-rc3 to 2.6.13 (not 2.6.13.2 or something), and then 2.6.14-rc3-rt2. 2.6.13-rt14 would get applied directly to 2.6.13. Have fun, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From b0ef at esben-stien.name Tue Oct 4 10:25:55 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Tue Oct 4 08:28:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which patch for 2.6.13 In-Reply-To: <20051004121924.1014bde7@mango.fruits.de> (Florian Schmidt's message of "Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:19:24 +0200") References: <1128414594.3637.13.camel@localhost> <20051004121924.1014bde7@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <87achppde4.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Florian Schmidt writes: > you need to apply 2.6.13-rc3 to 2.6.13 2.6.14-rc3 rather;) -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From debian at fastwebnet.it Tue Oct 4 09:29:29 2005 From: debian at fastwebnet.it (Antonio) Date: Tue Oct 4 09:29:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which patch for 2.6.13 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510040259v27b4605bw8819d77700b277f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1128414594.3637.13.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510040259v27b4605bw8819d77700b277f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1128432569.4581.13.camel@localhost> Hi to all, Thanks for the answers ;-). I've installed the 2.6.14-rc4 kernel with the latest Ingo Molnar's patch (patch-2-6.14-rc3-rt2)... no, one moment. I've just checked and just today Ingo Molnar has release lots of updates reaching 2-6.14-rc3-rt6. By now I'm still running the rt2 patch and I find it very good. I can start jackd at 32x2 @ 48000 in playback mode with my audigy 1. I get some xruns, but none only playing a session with ardour. I use 128x2 in full duplex for more robust performances. I've not stress tested the kernel so far, but it seems very good. I think I'll try the new patch soon. Best Regards, ~ Antonio From dsb at eagle.ru Tue Oct 4 10:16:09 2005 From: dsb at eagle.ru (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Tue Oct 4 10:13:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] External audio interface (edirol FA/UA-101) Message-ID: <43428EA9.3000301@eagle.ru> > http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/Some_emails_about_latency > > the minimum round-trip latency I achieve with our current code is about > 8ms, but there are some bugs that pop up at these low buffer sizes. > the minimal round-trip latency that gives rather reliable operation is > about 14ms. Thank you for the link! Some real numbers, finally :) FW solution seems to be worth considering. > note that I measure 'round-trip latency' by connecting a cable between > output and input of the soundcard and then look at the time difference > between the played sound and the recorded sound. > That means 8-14ms is really excellent, as it takes into account DAC/ADC buffering. > I'm working on a better driver structure/code that will allow lower > latencies. Amazing! If I purchase FA-101 earlier, than you finish, I'll try to help. Dmitry. From hans at fugal.net Tue Oct 4 10:30:40 2005 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Tue Oct 4 10:30:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <20051004074509.GA18997@fliwatut.scifi> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <43414EFC.3090500@rektau.ukfsn.org> <43415AB7.6070806@woh.rr.com> <200510031300.18994.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <4341924D.5080202@woh.rr.com> <20051004074509.GA18997@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20051004143040.GI17143@falcon.fugal.net> On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 at 09:45 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > I've never used pump, but if you'd use dhcp (whose Debian package I > think conflicts with pump) you could instead manage the dhcp > configuration inside /etc/network/interfaces as well. Just replace > > iface eth0 inet static > # ... > > with > > iface eth0 inet dhcp > # without addresses etc.! This is actually also the case for pump and any other dhcp client on debian. My personal favorite is udhcpc, and it takes a very compelling reason to get me to use the bloatware that is dhclient. -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But if it's flames you want, well then: http://gazuga.net/crunkmonkey.php Coming Soon. -Pete From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 11:20:40 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Oct 4 11:20:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which patch for 2.6.13 In-Reply-To: <1128432569.4581.13.camel@localhost> References: <1128414594.3637.13.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510040259v27b4605bw8819d77700b277f8@mail.gmail.com> <1128432569.4581.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510040820t1a45d659le5a4e7682d3ca952@mail.gmail.com> On 10/4/05, Antonio wrote: > Hi to all, > > Thanks for the answers ;-). > > I've installed the 2.6.14-rc4 kernel with the latest Ingo Molnar's patch > (patch-2-6.14-rc3-rt2)... no, one moment. I've just checked and just > today Ingo Molnar has release lots of updates reaching 2-6.14-rc3-rt6. > > By now I'm still running the rt2 patch and I find it very good. I can > start jackd at 32x2 @ 48000 in playback mode with my audigy 1. I get > some xruns, but none only playing a session with ardour. I use 128x2 in > full duplex for more robust performances. > > I've not stress tested the kernel so far, but it seems very good. > > I think I'll try the new patch soon. Do not try anything newer than rt2 for a few days. Stick with what you just built. - Mark From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Tue Oct 4 13:12:33 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Tue Oct 4 13:12:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] why the long pause? In-Reply-To: <1128437284.27002.244378044@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <20051004054805.99736.qmail@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1128437284.27002.244378044@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <200510041812.33413.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 04 October 2005 15:48, Pete Bessman was like: > http://gazuga.net/crunkmonkey.php > > Coming Soon. I've been staring at this page for hours. It's totally I shall be composing a 14 part theremin motet to celebrate based on the integral fractal serialist interpretation of 'Twinkle, Twinkle little star' and a certain animal song by Flanders and Swann. Which generally results in "What you see is what you are" (roughly translated from the Finno-Ugric) set to the tune of "The Tax Collectors descend from the mountain tops". Note values may be approximate. Confused? You will be. ;) -- Thanks, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue Oct 4 07:34:58 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue Oct 4 14:42:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <200510040923.24233.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <43415535.5020807@woh.rr.com> <200510040923.24233.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <200510041134.58278.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Tuesday 04 October 2005 08:23, tim hall wrote: > On Monday 03 October 2005 16:58, Dave Phillips was like: > > Yep, clear as mud. > > Please suggest what could be added to this to make it more clear. > http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/DocumentsFaq#Icantconnecttothenetwork Hi Tim. As you've spent all afternoon waiting for the big music remix fracas to start again, and Dave Philips hasn't come back on what additions to make to the wiki, I thought I'd put my 2 cents worth in. The man page is fine if you are really up to speed with Linux, but having looked through it earlier on, I wouldn't know where to start with a blank page in /etc/network/interfaces, as with roll your own Gentoo. Admittadly most distro's have a partially contructed page. I think an addition could be made regarding a nameserver entry in /etc/resolv.conf, also, perhaps, an example of an /etc/network/interfaces file, with instructions to change IP address and gateway if necessary for static setups. Perhaps showing changes that need to be made if wanting to use dhcp. Personally I don't see any point in using dhcp unless you are using more than 10 or so machines. I've put my /etc/network/interfaces file below from one of my Debian installs if you want to add it to the wiki as an example. # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) # The loopback interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian installation # (network, broadcast and gateway are optional) auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.7 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 gateway 192.168.0.1 iface dsl-provider inet ppp provider dsl-provider # please do not modify the following line pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up # line maintained by pppoeconf This is on a client machine going through a layer 2 switch to a Smoothwall Express 2 firewall, connected to the net by serial modem. You're free to use this to update the wiki, as no ones going to hack my private address. I'd do it myself, but have never updated wiki pages before. All the best. Nigel. From fbar at footils.org Tue Oct 4 14:46:12 2005 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Oct 4 14:50:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <20051004143040.GI17143@falcon.fugal.net> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <43414EFC.3090500@rektau.ukfsn.org> <43415AB7.6070806@woh.rr.com> <200510031300.18994.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <4341924D.5080202@woh.rr.com> <20051004074509.GA18997@fliwatut.scifi> <20051004143040.GI17143@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <20051004184612.GL18997@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Hans Fugal hat gesagt: // Hans Fugal wrote: > On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 at 09:45 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > I've never used pump, but if you'd use dhcp (whose Debian package I > > think conflicts with pump) you could instead manage the dhcp > > configuration inside /etc/network/interfaces as well. Just replace > > > > iface eth0 inet static > > # ... > > > > with > > > > iface eth0 inet dhcp > > # without addresses etc.! > > This is actually also the case for pump and any other dhcp client on > debian. My personal favorite is udhcpc, and it takes a very compelling > reason to get me to use the bloatware that is dhclient. Ah, cool, so if I want to dump the big dhcp package and install, say, udhcpc, then my /etc/network/interfaces-line will still work as before, right? Hm, I might try udhcpc on my laptop then. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From hans at fugal.net Tue Oct 4 15:59:49 2005 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Tue Oct 4 15:59:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <20051004184612.GL18997@fliwatut.scifi> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <43414EFC.3090500@rektau.ukfsn.org> <43415AB7.6070806@woh.rr.com> <200510031300.18994.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <4341924D.5080202@woh.rr.com> <20051004074509.GA18997@fliwatut.scifi> <20051004143040.GI17143@falcon.fugal.net> <20051004184612.GL18997@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20051004195949.GJ17143@falcon.fugal.net> On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 at 20:46 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Ah, cool, so if I want to dump the big dhcp package and install, say, > udhcpc, then my /etc/network/interfaces-line will still work as > before, right? Hm, I might try udhcpc on my laptop then. Yup. -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051004/ebfb3f14/attachment.bin From forums at machinehasnoagenda.com Tue Oct 4 20:15:23 2005 From: forums at machinehasnoagenda.com (Shayne O'Connor) Date: Tue Oct 4 20:13:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa 1.10rc1 with emu10k1 Message-ID: <43431B1B.8060703@machinehasnoagenda.com> just wondering, seeing as the latest kernel RC now includes ALSA 1.10 rc1, if anyone has this version working for an emu10k1 driver? from what i remember, the 1.10rc1 drivers make the master mixer channel for the emu10k1 disappear ... anyone know if this is still the case, or if there is a patch available? shayne From hanaghan at starband.net Tue Oct 4 21:19:12 2005 From: hanaghan at starband.net (hanaghan@starband.net) Date: Tue Oct 4 21:18:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa 1.10rc1 with emu10k1 In-Reply-To: <43431B1B.8060703@machinehasnoagenda.com> References: <43431B1B.8060703@machinehasnoagenda.com> Message-ID: <3268.12.183.185.2.1128475152.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> > just wondering, seeing as the latest kernel RC now includes ALSA 1.10 > rc1, if anyone has this version working for an emu10k1 driver? > > from what i remember, the 1.10rc1 drivers make the master mixer channel > for the emu10k1 disappear ... anyone know if this is still the case, or > if there is a patch available? > > shayne Running Alsa 1.10rc1 on a mdk mm 2.6.12 kernel and emu10k1 seems to work fine. I use Qamix and the master channels show there. R~ From forums at machinehasnoagenda.com Tue Oct 4 21:45:02 2005 From: forums at machinehasnoagenda.com (Shayne O'Connor) Date: Tue Oct 4 21:43:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa 1.10rc1 with emu10k1 In-Reply-To: <3268.12.183.185.2.1128475152.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> References: <43431B1B.8060703@machinehasnoagenda.com> <3268.12.183.185.2.1128475152.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> Message-ID: <4343301E.7010500@machinehasnoagenda.com> hanaghan@starband.net wrote: >>just wondering, seeing as the latest kernel RC now includes ALSA 1.10 >>rc1, if anyone has this version working for an emu10k1 driver? >> >>from what i remember, the 1.10rc1 drivers make the master mixer channel >>for the emu10k1 disappear ... anyone know if this is still the case, or >>if there is a patch available? >> >>shayne > > > Running Alsa 1.10rc1 on a mdk mm 2.6.12 kernel and emu10k1 seems to work > fine. I use Qamix and the master channels show there. hmmm ... must have been a mismatch between my alsa-libs/utils etc. shayne From dwdraw at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 4 23:00:09 2005 From: dwdraw at bellsouth.net (Douglas Ward) Date: Tue Oct 4 23:00:23 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Software for Sine Wave Generation Message-ID: <200510042300.11226.dwdraw@bellsouth.net> What is an easy way to generate sets of precise sine waves? I like to generate (currently, slowly) separate sets of sine waves each consisting of a fundamental and 2 - 3 pseudo harmonics (really only justly-tuned perfect fifths, octaves, and a third--major or minor, depending upon the type of drone I want). The goal is to produce examples of justly-tuned chords that are easy to practice and teach with. And, sine waves are the easiest waveform for brass instruments to play along with. (This is very useful for orchestral brass instruction, and brass chamber ensemble exercises.) My current toolchain is clunky: XMMS --> ToneGen[erator] plug-in --> Hard Disk playback --> Audacity (to add an envelope to the front of each set). I would like to find a way to make this process more streamlined. I would love to be able to write scripts to do the dirty work. What program is suggested for replacing this toolchain? I think Csound can accomplish this. (Can this be accomplished with Audacity+Nyquist, too? Is there a plug-in that will play multiple frequencies at once?) Are there any favourite command line applications that can be used to produce multiple sine waves at once? Csound seems overly complex for this application, but I do not know of alternatives. Is there anything other than Csound? I just want to make sure I'm not overlooking a great specialized program before digging into Csound. Thanks a lot, Douglas Ward From dmotd at gmx.net Wed Oct 5 00:08:26 2005 From: dmotd at gmx.net (dmotd) Date: Tue Oct 4 23:51:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Software for Sine Wave Generation In-Reply-To: <200510042300.11226.dwdraw@bellsouth.net> References: <200510042300.11226.dwdraw@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <20051005040826.GA9530@sentiment.domain_not_set.invalid> sounds like the perfect job for supercollider:: http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/ ::which is an interpreted object orientated scripting language for synthesis and other signal processing. the language is based on smalltalk, with C-like syntax but isn't nearly as pedantic as csound. Douglas Ward wrote: > What is an easy way to generate sets of precise sine waves? > > I like to generate (currently, slowly) separate sets of sine waves each > consisting of a fundamental and 2 - 3 pseudo harmonics (really only > justly-tuned perfect fifths, octaves, and a third--major or minor, depending > upon the type of drone I want). The goal is to produce examples of > justly-tuned chords that are easy to practice and teach with. And, sine waves > are the easiest waveform for brass instruments to play along with. (This is > very useful for orchestral brass instruction, and brass chamber ensemble > exercises.) > > My current toolchain is clunky: XMMS --> ToneGen[erator] plug-in --> Hard Disk > playback --> Audacity (to add an envelope to the front of each set). > I would like to find a way to make this process more streamlined. I would love > to be able to write scripts to do the dirty work. > > What program is suggested for replacing this toolchain? I think Csound can > accomplish this. (Can this be accomplished with Audacity+Nyquist, too? Is > there a plug-in that will play multiple frequencies at once?) Are there any > favourite command line applications that can be used to produce multiple sine > waves at once? Csound seems overly complex for this application, but I do not > know of alternatives. Is there anything other than Csound? I just want to > make sure I'm not overlooking a great specialized program before digging into > Csound. > > Thanks a lot, > Douglas Ward From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Wed Oct 5 04:11:59 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Wed Oct 5 04:13:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] why the long pause? In-Reply-To: <200510041812.33413.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20051004054805.99736.qmail@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1128437284.27002.244378044@webmail.messagingengine.com> <200510041812.33413.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <43438ACF.1060403@walescomputers.co.uk> tim hall wrote: > Confused? You will be. ;) Yep, totally!! Bob Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From fbar at footils.org Wed Oct 5 04:24:14 2005 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Oct 5 04:28:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Software for Sine Wave Generation In-Reply-To: <20051005040826.GA9530@sentiment.domain_not_set.invalid> References: <200510042300.11226.dwdraw@bellsouth.net> <20051005040826.GA9530@sentiment.domain_not_set.invalid> Message-ID: <20051005082414.GB4162@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, dmotd hat gesagt: // dmotd wrote: > sounds like the perfect job for supercollider:: > http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/ Or Pd: www.puredata.org Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From fbar at footils.org Wed Oct 5 04:32:34 2005 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Oct 5 04:36:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Software for Sine Wave Generation In-Reply-To: <20051005040826.GA9530@sentiment.domain_not_set.invalid> References: <200510042300.11226.dwdraw@bellsouth.net> <20051005040826.GA9530@sentiment.domain_not_set.invalid> Message-ID: <20051005083234.GC4162@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, dmotd hat gesagt: // dmotd wrote: > > What program is suggested for replacing this toolchain? I think Csound can > > accomplish this. (Can this be accomplished with Audacity+Nyquist, too? Is > > there a plug-in that will play multiple frequencies at once?) Are there any > > favourite command line applications that can be used to produce multiple sine > > waves at once? Csound seems overly complex for this application, but I do not > > know of alternatives. Is there anything other than Csound? I just want to > > make sure I'm not overlooking a great specialized program before digging into > > Csound. I already mentioned Pd in another mail, but "overlooking a great specialized program" IMO is not an issue, if you can instead learn, how to write that great specialized program yourself in Pd, Csound or SC. Some years ago I was always looking for that superdooper Shareware software which gives me that much-needed functionality. Nowadays I just fire up Pd, if I need a certain tool, and patch it. To program most of your sine wave generator in would take less than 3 minutes, including GUI and volume and midi control, in Pd. Playing sine waves is what is tought in the very first hour of Pd workshops, it's generally just a starting point for software synthesizers. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Tue Oct 4 23:53:08 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Wed Oct 5 04:51:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel 2.6.13 and layla In-Reply-To: <20050926171640.GB6424@replic.net> References: <200509260323.20419.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <20050926171640.GB6424@replic.net> Message-ID: <200510050553.09805.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> El Lun 26 Sep 2005 19:16, carmen escribi?: > On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 03:23:18AM +0200, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Does anybody knows why does the 2 laylas soundcards dont operate here? > > > > We have a complex problem. > > > > Using kernel 2.6.13 form DeMuDi, the PC is really an odd one (SMP, etc. > > see pcinfo.txt)... > > do you have hotplug enabled in kernel, userspace hotplug utils installed, > and /lib/firmware symlinked to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware? that was my > probelm with an echo card on debian.. seems to install correctly out of the > box on my current OS however.. > In that case: what should we do? ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Oct 5 05:08:11 2005 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Oct 5 05:11:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Virtual Keyboard Proposition Message-ID: Hi there! I've been using the Virtual Keyboard quite often and it's great, a regular computer keyboard can be a great two-octave non-dynamic keyboard. I don't see why it couldn't be used in concert settings, especially for electronic/synth-samples based music. The currently available Virtual Keyboard does have its issues though: * No more than about three notes can be played at once * Sometimes it works anyway, and precision goes down the drain; varying latencies up to a couple milliseconds result (To be fair this could be also be ZynAddSubFX's fault) * Usability: No way of saving the status of the various toolbars * Usability: Changing the Window with the mouse takes away the keyboard focus; this is WAY too risky to do on stage (Well it could be done but it WOULD be risky... Like performing a Hard Rock concert head banging seated on a chair suspended on fine china) * Not usable without X-Window * No Low-Level keyboard access; hence difficulty with various key layouts * Cumbersome TCL/TK customization Here is my proposition for a Virtual Keyboard that can turn any computer keyboard that is halfway precise into a fully functional Musical keyboard. 1. Terminal based version (Priority 1) 2. Lightweight but pretty (compare XFCE) GUI version (Priority 2) 2. Must operate on low-level keyboard access due to international keyboards and precision (Priority 1) 3. As close as possible to hard real time in dispatching MIDI events (Priority 1) 4. Keep keyboard focus at all times, even when switching windows or consoles (Priority 1) 5. Must be based on a compiled language or even assembly, it's got to be VERY precise and VERY fast! (Priority 1) 6. Uses ALSA sequencer (Priority 1). 8. MIDI Controllers with 'analogue' values could be controlled by mouse; two mouse axis equals to ranges of controllers to control at once; Mouse buttons can be used to switch controllers: No button pressed= MIDI Controllers 5 and 7, left button pressed=MIDI Controllers 29 and 7, both buttons pressed=MIDI controllers 78 and 43, etc. This must be configurable. Two mouse axis offer same functionality as hardware MIDI controller knobs (to hands to turn controllers at the same time). (Priority 2) 9. Configuration: Two categories of configuration options. 'Performance relevant' and 'not performance relevant'. Performence relevant controls must be accessible by keyboard and mouse input at once (remember, mouse is mapped to controllers, so no pointing and clicking). A good way to do this would be the F1-F12 keys. Press for toggle and Press+mouse for analogue input/scroll. Not performance relevant options are configured in a dialogue, which is saved to an XML file, which can also be edited by hand. (Priority 2) 10. No drop-down menus, ever. (Priority 1) 11. GUI Version occupies very little screen space (perhaps even an XMMS style MINI-Version) (Priority 2) 12. GUI Version skinnable (Priority 3) Wow... This would be so cool. Carlo From dave at pawfal.org Wed Oct 5 06:05:59 2005 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Wed Oct 5 06:06:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] some music Message-ID: <54989.193.203.82.226.1128506759.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Hi all, Some new tracks from me here: http://www.pawfal.org/patterncascade/ cheers, dave From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Oct 5 06:25:44 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Oct 5 06:25:42 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <200510041134.58278.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <200510040923.24233.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200510041134.58278.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <200510051125.45206.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 04 October 2005 12:34, Nigel Henry was like: > Hi Tim. As you've spent all afternoon waiting for the big music remix > fracas to start again, Or possibly the opposite. ;) > and Dave Philips hasn't come back on what additions > to make to the wiki, I thought I'd put my 2 cents worth in. The man page is > fine if you are really up to speed with Linux, but having looked through it > earlier on, I wouldn't know where to start with a blank page > in /etc/network/interfaces, as with roll your own Gentoo. Admittadly most > distro's have a partially contructed page. I think an addition could be > made regarding a nameserver entry in /etc/resolv.conf, also, perhaps, an > example of an /etc/network/interfaces file, with instructions to change IP > address and gateway if necessary for static setups. Perhaps showing changes > that need to be made if wanting to use dhcp. Personally I don't see any > point in using dhcp unless you are using more than 10 or so machines. I've > put > my /etc/network/interfaces file below from one of my Debian installs if you > want to add it to the wiki as an example. > > # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) > > # The loopback interface > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > > # The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian > installation > # (network, broadcast and gateway are optional) > auto eth0 > iface eth0 inet static > ?address 192.168.0.7 > ?netmask 255.255.255.0 > ?network 192.168.0.0 > ?broadcast 192.168.0.255 > ?gateway 192.168.0.1 > > iface dsl-provider inet ppp > ? ? ?provider dsl-provider > # please do not modify the following line > ? ? ?pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up # line maintained by pppoeconf > > This is on a client machine going through a layer 2 switch to a Smoothwall > Express 2 firewall, connected to the net by serial modem. > > You're free to use this to update the wiki, as no ones going to hack my > private address. I'd do it myself, but have never updated wiki pages > before. Thanks for your suggestions Nigel. I'll mull this over. Most of this stuff is fairly clearly documented in Debian reference and most network cards get auto-configured. Also, the GNOME guis are very good for relative newbies. That said, I will add a little more info and pointers to this section as it obviously isn't that clear. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Oct 5 07:47:47 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Oct 5 07:40:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <200510040923.24233.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510030806n17ee555fv5583907b74cab12e@mail.gmail.com> <43415535.5020807@woh.rr.com> <200510040923.24233.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <4343BD63.4070005@woh.rr.com> tim hall wrote: >On Monday 03 October 2005 16:58, Dave Phillips was like: > > >>Yep, clear as mud. >> >> > >Please suggest what could be added to this to make it more clear. >http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/DocumentsFaq#Icantconnecttothenetwork > > Hi Tim: Well, a number of interesting observations came to me while reading that document. For example: Were you (or whoever wrote it) aware that the pcmcia-cs package wasn't included in 1.2.1 ? Thus the advice to use the utility was untested, no-one actually tried it. GNOME is indeed installed on my system, but network-admin is not. The wiki page does not provide enough information on what to do when everything on the page fails. No reference to pump or the dhcp stuff. Linux naming conventions sometimes seem to delight in confusing users. Is there some obvious connection between a utility named pump and a network configuration tool ? You don't wanna know what I think when I see 'pump'... ;-) A more complete list of the tools needed/supplied to set up PPP, PPPoe, DSL, cable connections, etc. would be nice. How about advising users who will not be using either X or GNOME ? The installer failed to configure eth0. This problem is dealt with in a FAQ for 1.2.0 but there's no mention that the problem still exists in 1.2.1. Generally speaking, there needs to be much more foresight WRT things going wrong. More detailed troubleshooting advice is needed. And the next time someone answers a question re: a failed networking connection with "Well, just fire up apt-get..." I'm going to say something I'm sure I'll regret. Apt-get isn't very useful when you can't connect to the network in the first place... Btw, I will be overjoyed to discover that I'm an utter lunkhead who just can't read instructions clearly. I'm not trying to denigrate anyone's work, but I am genuinely dismayed by the number and kinds of difficulties I've faced with Demudi. Don't even ask me about ALSA's virtual MIDI module... Best regards, dp From jody.noury at linucie.net Wed Oct 5 08:07:09 2005 From: jody.noury at linucie.net (Jody Noury) Date: Wed Oct 5 08:07:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] snd_intel8x0 Channels count non available Message-ID: <4343C1ED.3050904@linucie.net> Hi, I have two "cards": an onboard sis7012 (snd_intel8x0) and a pci Ensoniq ES1371 (snd_ens1371). cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [SI7012 ]: ICH - SiS SI7012 SiS SI7012 with CMI9738 at 0xdc00, irq 10 1 [AudioPCI ]: ENS1371 - Ensoniq AudioPCI Ensoniq AudioPCI ENS1371 at 0xc800, irq 10 Both works. I'm trying to make a ~/.asoundrc , first test is to give a "comprehensive" name: pcm.hwEnsoniq { type hw; card 1; device 0; } pcm.hwSis { type hw; card 0; device 0; } I can use hwEnsoniq: aplay /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Window_UnSticky.wav -D hwEnsoniq But: aplay /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Window_UnSticky.wav -D hwSis Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/KDE_Window_UnSticky.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 22050 Hz, Mono aplay: set_params:887: Channels count non available I can only use Sis chip with a parameter like: pcm.plugSis { type plug slave { pcm "hw:0,0" } Then: aplay /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Window_UnSticky.wav -D plugSis works: Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/KDE_Window_UnSticky.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 22050 Hz, Mono Does someone could explain why I could not set up Sis as hw type ? My aim is to be able to use this two cards as output without time syncro (need not jack) but as predict It's a little hard to do for someone like me :) Thanks, Jody From clemens at ladisch.de Wed Oct 5 09:00:24 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Wed Oct 5 09:00:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] snd_intel8x0 Channels count non available In-Reply-To: <4343C1ED.3050904@linucie.net> Message-ID: Jody Noury wrote: > 0 [SI7012 ]: ICH - SiS SI7012 > SiS SI7012 with CMI9738 at 0xdc00, irq 10 > > pcm.hwSis { > type hw; > card 0; > device 0; > } > > aplay /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Window_UnSticky.wav -D hwSis > Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/KDE_Window_UnSticky.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 22050 Hz, Mono > aplay: set_params:887: Channels count non available > > Does someone could explain why I could not set up Sis as hw type ? This AC'97 controller chip supports only stereo data. HTH Clemens From ninjadroid at gazuga.net Wed Oct 5 09:13:30 2005 From: ninjadroid at gazuga.net (Pete Bessman) Date: Wed Oct 5 09:13:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user][OT] why the long pause? In-Reply-To: <200510041812.33413.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20051004054805.99736.qmail@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1128437284.27002.244378044@webmail.messagingengine.com> <200510041812.33413.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <1128518010.4892.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 18:12 +0100, tim hall wrote: > > Confused? You will be. ;) \m/ (>.<) \m/ -- Pete Bessman http://gazuga.net "So this baby seal walks into a club." From jody.noury at linucie.net Wed Oct 5 10:05:08 2005 From: jody.noury at linucie.net (Jody Noury) Date: Wed Oct 5 10:05:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] snd_intel8x0 Channels count non available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4343DD94.4090209@linucie.net> Hi, Clemens Ladisch wrote : [...] >>Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/KDE_Window_UnSticky.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 22050 Hz, Mono >>aplay: set_params:887: Channels count non available >> >>Does someone could explain why I could not set up Sis as hw type ? > > > This AC'97 controller chip supports only stereo data. Thanks a lot ! I have converted this sample to stereo and it works :) Jody From philicorda at ntlworld.com Wed Oct 5 12:53:49 2005 From: philicorda at ntlworld.com (philicorda) Date: Wed Oct 5 11:07:04 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: New Virtual Keyboard Proposition In-Reply-To: <200510051319.j95DIess004708@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200510051319.j95DIess004708@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1128531229.20086.19.camel@lounger.tydrwg.org> On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 09:19 -0400, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > From: Carlo Capocasa > Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Virtual Keyboard Proposition > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed > > Hi there! > > I've been using the Virtual Keyboard quite often and it's great, a > regular computer keyboard can be a great two-octave non-dynamic > keyboard. I don't see why it couldn't be used in concert settings, > especially for electronic/synth-samples based music. I enjoy using this too. With monophonic sounds it's a bit like tapping on a guitar. :) > > The currently available Virtual Keyboard does have its issues though: > > * No more than about three notes can be played at once Is this a limitation of the keyboard scanning electronics, or a software thing, I wonder? I have some vague memory that it's possible to change the baud rate of ps/2 devices too. There are many good points in your post. I would add some more... I think it would be interesting to try a layout that does not mimic a piano keyboard. There are twelve keys from 'a' to '#', from 'q' to ']', and '1' to '=' on my keyboard. These could be chromatic notes, with 'a','q',and '1' being the lowest note of each octave. This would give three octaves on the keyboard, and I don't think it would be harder to play. I had a go at doing this in pd, but got stuck converting the key codes into midi note numbers. I think that with the mouse it would be good if there was an option for the controllers to be activated on left click and reset when the button was released... as there is no 'null' point on a mouse, it would be hard to use it as a pitch bend/mod without leaving an offset when you want both to return to zero. From ardour at semiosix.com Wed Oct 5 11:10:29 2005 From: ardour at semiosix.com (John Anderson) Date: Wed Oct 5 11:10:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Book recommendations Message-ID: <1128525029.31001.120.camel@groovious> I've been asked to write a driver for a PCI card that will interoperate with asterisk. I've been writing code in several languages for years, but I'm new to linux kernel coding, and to PCI hardware. I've already found some fairly good info on TLDP, and on the net in general, but I also need some good big-picture info. I've looked on Amazon, but I'm feeling overwhelmed by all the options. So I'm looking for good books on writing kernel drivers (2.4 and 2.6) and interfacing with PCI hardware. I figure this is a good place to ask, because the driver will need to deal with multiple audio streams, although only at 8khz. thanks John From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Oct 5 11:55:21 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Oct 5 11:54:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Book recommendations In-Reply-To: <1128525029.31001.120.camel@groovious> References: <1128525029.31001.120.camel@groovious> Message-ID: <1128527721.26818.248.camel@dhin> On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 17:10 +0200, John Anderson wrote: > I've been asked to write a driver for a PCI card that will interoperate > with asterisk. I've been writing code in several languages for years, > but I'm new to linux kernel coding, and to PCI hardware. I've already > found some fairly good info on TLDP, and on the net in general, but I > also need some good big-picture info. I've looked on Amazon, but I'm > feeling overwhelmed by all the options. > > So I'm looking for good books on writing kernel drivers (2.4 and 2.6) > and interfacing with PCI hardware. there is only book to consider. "Writing Linux Device drivers" published by O'Reilly. one of the best technical books i have ever read. Author is Alessandro Rubini i think, but i tend to be bad with names. From brinkman at math.TU-Berlin.DE Wed Oct 5 12:10:03 2005 From: brinkman at math.TU-Berlin.DE (Peter Brinkmann) Date: Wed Oct 5 12:10:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: New Virtual Keyboard Proposition In-Reply-To: <1128531229.20086.19.camel@lounger.tydrwg.org> References: <200510051319.j95DIess004708@roar.music.columbia.edu> <1128531229.20086.19.camel@lounger.tydrwg.org> Message-ID: <20051005161003.GF20982@fuchs.math.tu-berlin.de> On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 05:53:49PM +0100, philicorda wrote: > There are many good points in your post. I would add some more... > I think it would be interesting to try a layout that does not mimic a > piano keyboard. Regarding innovative layouts, have you looked at the Thummer? You can find some information at http://www.thummer.com/thummer.htm. In particular, the last page of the ppt presentation may be of interest to you. Best, Peter From pierreyves.aillet at free.fr Wed Oct 5 12:12:41 2005 From: pierreyves.aillet at free.fr (Pierre-Yves AILLET) Date: Wed Oct 5 12:12:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Book recommendations In-Reply-To: <1128527721.26818.248.camel@dhin> References: <1128525029.31001.120.camel@groovious> <1128527721.26818.248.camel@dhin> Message-ID: <1128528761.4343fb79b83a9@imp5-g19.free.fr> Selon Paul Davis : > On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 17:10 +0200, John Anderson wrote: > > I've been asked to write a driver for a PCI card that will interoperate > > with asterisk. I've been writing code in several languages for years, > > but I'm new to linux kernel coding, and to PCI hardware. I've already > > found some fairly good info on TLDP, and on the net in general, but I > > also need some good big-picture info. I've looked on Amazon, but I'm > > feeling overwhelmed by all the options. > > > > So I'm looking for good books on writing kernel drivers (2.4 and 2.6) > > and interfacing with PCI hardware. > > there is only book to consider. "Writing Linux Device drivers" published > by O'Reilly. one of the best technical books i have ever read. Author is > Alessandro Rubini i think, but i tend to be bad with names. > You can also find it here : http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/ -- AILLET Pierre-Yves 16, Rue d'Armorique 44470 Thouar?-sur-Loire Tel: +33674613172 From ix at replic.net Wed Oct 5 13:15:27 2005 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Wed Oct 5 13:14:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel 2.6.13 and layla In-Reply-To: <200510050553.09805.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> References: <200509260323.20419.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <20050926171640.GB6424@replic.net> <200510050553.09805.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <20051005171527.GA11945@replic.net> On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 05:53:08AM +0200, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > El Lun 26 Sep 2005 19:16, carmen escribi?: > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 03:23:18AM +0200, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > Does anybody knows why does the 2 laylas soundcards dont operate here? > > > > > > We have a complex problem. > > > > > > Using kernel 2.6.13 form DeMuDi, the PC is really an odd one (SMP, etc. > > > see pcinfo.txt)... > > > > do you have hotplug enabled in kernel, userspace hotplug utils installed, > > and /lib/firmware symlinked to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware? that was my > > probelm with an echo card on debian.. seems to install correctly out of the > > box on my current OS however.. > > > > In that case: what should we do? you mean to make a Layla work? id make sure alsa-driver and alsa-firmware packages are installed properly, and hotplug is installed and enabled in the kernel. im not sure exactly why it uses hotplug since its not like youre hot-plugging the PCI cards! but in any case, on my gentoo system simply emerging those packages made everything work, you should have ea/layla*.fw files (about a dozen) in /lib/firmware and /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam > Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo > http://correo.yahoo.com.ar > From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Wed Oct 5 14:15:52 2005 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen) Date: Wed Oct 5 14:16:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Software for Sine Wave Generation Message-ID: Douglas Ward: > What program is suggested for replacing this toolchain? I think Csound can > accomplish this. (Can this be accomplished with Audacity+Nyquist, too? Is > there a plug-in that will play multiple frequencies at once?) Are there any > favourite command line applications that can be used to produce multiple sine > waves at once? Csound seems overly complex for this application, but I do not > know of alternatives. Is there anything other than Csound? I just want to > make sure I'm not overlooking a great specialized program before digging into > Csound. This should be in a FAQ... Theres a lot of programs that let you do this. Yes, it can be done with Nyquist or CSound. Other alternatives are pd, supercollider, clm, snd, galan, ecasound. http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LA_SynthesisTools But there are many others, Octave for example. For the job you want, a graphical program such as pd, galan or spiralsynthmodular might be the quickest solution. (others?) -- From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Wed Oct 5 15:34:19 2005 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Wed Oct 5 15:34:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Software for Sine Wave Generation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1128540859.21026.0.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 20:15 +0200, Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen wrote: > > Are there any > > favourite command line applications that can be used to produce multiple sine > > waves at once? > > This should be in a FAQ... Theres a lot of programs that let you do this. > Yes, it can be done with Nyquist or CSound. Other alternatives are pd, > supercollider, clm, snd, galan, ecasound. > http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LA_SynthesisTools > But there are many others, Octave for example. > > For the job you want, a graphical program such as pd, galan > or spiralsynthmodular might be the quickest solution. (others?) Om, AMS. -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051005/2a8273b2/attachment.bin From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Oct 5 15:43:56 2005 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Oct 5 15:48:28 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software for Sine Wave Generation In-Reply-To: <200510042300.11226.dwdraw@bellsouth.net> References: <200510042300.11226.dwdraw@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Hi Douglas I'd use ZynAddSubFX for the job, because it's graphical, can do all you want here out of the box in one step, and can write the output to disk by itself. Here's a quick HowTo, if you get stuck on the way feel free to ask away. 1. Download (obviously). If you have Debian or Red Hat you can get the packages from AGNULA (highly recommended). 2. Start it up. 3. You'll see a grayish window with a ton of options and knobs. Make sure user interface mode is set to 'advanced' mode; if you see a keyboard on screen you are in beginner's mode, select 'Misc' -> 'Change user interface mode'. 4. Un-Select the 'Portamento' checkbox on the bottom left. 5. Open the internal 'Virtual Keyboard' by clicking the greenish 'vK' button on the top right. 6. Play around with it; you should be hearing Sine waves. You should be able to produce your Pseudo-Harmonics right on the computer keyboard. I was able to produce the Pseudo-Harmonics you mentioned by pressing C, M, E and T simultaneously (replace T with 6 for major 3rd). To create envelopes: 1. Click the big, friendly 'Edit Instrument' button 2. Click the big, friendly 'Edit' button under the 'AddSynth' label (check enable in case it isn't) 3. You are now at the heart of ZynAddSubFX's analogue synthesizer (well, actually you're at a GUI controlling parameters which affect said heart). On the top left you will find a section of four knobs saying 'Amplitude Envelope'. Turn 'S. Val' to zero and control the length of the envelope with 'D. Dt' (meaning Detain). check now and again in the Virtual keyboard'. Un-check the 'frcR' checkbox to disable cutoff on releasing keys (useful if your PC keyboard doesn't support more than one key) To create real harmonics: 1. Go to the AddSynth parameter dialogue again 2. Click the 'Show Voice Parameters' button on the bottom left 3. Click the 'Change' button on the bottom left 4. The sliders control the all the harmonics' volumes. Play with them a little and enjoy the sound. To record: 1. In the main window, select 'Record' -> 'Choose WAV file' 2. Enter something you will find again 3. Hit the red 'Rec' button below the menu and play away Hope this helps! Carlo From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Wed Oct 5 06:55:12 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (nigel henry) Date: Wed Oct 5 16:14:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] some music In-Reply-To: <54989.193.203.82.226.1128506759.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> References: <54989.193.203.82.226.1128506759.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: <200510051155.12085.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 05 Oct 2005 11:05 am, Dave Griffiths wrote: > Hi all, > > Some new tracks from me here: > http://www.pawfal.org/patterncascade/ > > cheers, > > dave Hi Dave. I really liked the live snippets. Really headbanging stuff. The start of it sounded really industrial. Sounds of steamhammers, and all those sort of undefinable sounds you seem to hear in huge industrial complexes. Pattern A is really great. I was thinking of how to add some beats to it,but gave up. This is pure Electronica, and sounds just great as it is. Had a few problems with pattern B. The beats were ok for me, but the melody just didn't go down with my ears. But everyone to there own taste eh! All in all. Nice stuff. Keep at it. Nigel. From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Oct 5 16:15:16 2005 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Oct 5 16:20:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: New Virtual Keyboard Proposition In-Reply-To: <1128531229.20086.19.camel@lounger.tydrwg.org> References: <200510051319.j95DIess004708@roar.music.columbia.edu> <1128531229.20086.19.camel@lounger.tydrwg.org> Message-ID: Hi! Thanks for your addings. > I enjoy using this too. With monophonic sounds it's a bit like tapping > on a guitar. :) Oh, soooooo funky. Yeah babah! :) > Is this a limitation of the keyboard scanning electronics, or a software > thing, I wonder? I have some vague memory that it's possible to change > the baud rate of ps/2 devices too. That'd be interesting to look into... I checked out ZynAddSubFX's native virtual keyboard and it has the same issues regarding multiple keys. I suspect it has to do with both Zyn and vkeybd using too high a level of keyboard input and that this would be solved if key codes would be used for identification instead of character codes. > There are many good points in your post. I would add some more... > I think it would be interesting to try a layout that does not mimic a > piano keyboard. Great suggestion! We should solve this in configuration space and allow for efficient keyboard customizing in the settings files/preference dialogues. Please do create a file for your keyboard suggestion when the program's ready... We could call it the 'philicorda' layout. Has a great sound to it, doesn't it? :) * Keyboard layouts are saved as XML files. The default layout is saved in configuration and can be changed by editing configuration or with a command-line option. (Priority 1) * The configuration dialogue contains an option to add XML based keyboard layouts to database, select which is default, as well as an editor to create and save them. (Priority 2) You can already create a custom keyboard layout with vkeybd BTW... just do this: cp /usr/share/vkeybd/vkeybdmap SOMEWHERE_IN_YOUR_HOMEDIR/vkeybdmap cd SOMEWHERE_IN_YOUR_HOMEDIR chown YOU.users vkeybdmap leafpad (or whatever editor you are using) vkeybdmap Editing keyboard bindings should be pretty self-explanatory... Then start vkeybd like this from now on: vkeybd --keymap SOMEWHERE_IN_YOUR_HOMEDIR/vkeybdmap I attached my favourite two-octave piano style keyboard layout to this post, you might have to switch Z and Y though. The keyboard could use keys all the way to the enter key but I couldn't manage all my Umlauts since, *sigh*, the keyboard uses character codes and not key codes. > I had a go at doing this in pd, but got stuck converting the key codes > into midi note numbers. Yikes, PD! I'm sure it's a great program but using I feel like I'm in a physics exam without having studied... I use ZynAddSubFX/vkeybd more or less exclusively right now. > I think that with the mouse it would be good if there was an option for > the controllers to be activated on left click and reset when the button > was released... as there is no 'null' point on a mouse, it would be hard > to use it as a pitch bend/mod without leaving an offset when you want > both to return to zero. Great thinking and great solution. Let's include this. * Pressing the left, right or both mouse buttons allows a different set of controllers to be modified. Moving the mouse with no keys pressed does nothing (for performance safety, we don't want the pitch changing cuz we sneezed or moved the table). Whether or not controllers snap back has sensible defaults but can be configured on a per-keyboard-layout basis. More keys from the keyboard can be used for more different controllers, like alt,ctrl,altgr,shift. (Priority 1) Here's an unrelated but important point I forgot: * Arrow keys up and down switch octaves, arrow keys left and right switch semi-tones. (Priority 1). Carlo -------------- next part -------------- global keymap set keymap { {a 8} {y 9} {s 10} {x 11} {c 12} {f 13} {v 14} {g 15} {b 16} {n 17} {j 18} {m 19} {k 20} {comma 21} {l 22} {period 23} {slash 24} {apostrophe 25} {backslash 26} {grave 27} {1 20} {q 21} {2 22} {w 23} {e 24} {4 25} {r 26} {5 27} {t 28} {z 29} {7 30} {u 31} {8 32} {i 33} {9 34} {o 35} } From musound at jps.net Wed Oct 5 19:06:05 2005 From: musound at jps.net (Sean Bolton) Date: Wed Oct 5 19:04:50 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] WhySynth DSSI softsynth Message-ID: <3f184cda08a8f2e91dc446295423b505@jps.net> Introducing WhySynth, a DSSI softsynth plugin. WhySynth, as in 'Y'-synth, the super-sized, frankensteinized, evolved and mutated, still rather dorky younger sibling of Xsynth-DSSI. WhySynth, as in (I sometimes ask), "_why_ am I working on another softsynth instead of on paying gigs?" (Following my bliss? Addiction? One last shot at misspent youth?) WhySynth, as in a mostly-new design featuring: - 4 oscillators per voice, in your choice of 6 modes (minBLEP, wavecycle, asynchronous granular, FM, waveshaper, and noise), - 2 filters, also in multiple flavors, - flexible routing and mixdown to stereo output, - 3 (or is it 6?) LFOs (instrument-wide, per-voice, and multiphase), - 5 multi-mode envelope generators, - abundant modulation options, - and effects (well, Tim Goetze's Versatile plate reverb is all at the moment, unless you count the DC-blocker anti-effect). WhySynth is a work in progress. Actually, since the kid was born, progress has slowed to a near-utter standstill, but if I can't release often, I might as well release early. Get your tarball, boring screenshot, and html-ized README today at: http://home.jps.net/~musound/whysynth.html then get your butts back to making cool music -- however you define that. Cheers, -Sean From chr.ohm at gmx.net Wed Oct 5 19:47:15 2005 From: chr.ohm at gmx.net (Christian Ohm) Date: Wed Oct 5 19:47:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: New Virtual Keyboard Proposition In-Reply-To: <1128531229.20086.19.camel@lounger.tydrwg.org> References: <200510051319.j95DIess004708@roar.music.columbia.edu> <1128531229.20086.19.camel@lounger.tydrwg.org> Message-ID: <20051005234715.GB9614@localdomain> On Wednesday, 5 October 2005 at 17:53, philicorda wrote: > > The currently available Virtual Keyboard does have its issues though: > > > > * No more than about three notes can be played at once > > Is this a limitation of the keyboard scanning electronics, or a software > thing, I wonder? I have some vague memory that it's possible to change This is a hardware limitation (see http://www.sjbaker.org/steve/omniv/keyboards_are_evil.html ). PS: Hello, by the way. -- Without ice cream life and fame are meaningless. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Oct 6 00:19:18 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Oct 6 00:19:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <4343BD63.4070005@woh.rr.com> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <200510040923.24233.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4343BD63.4070005@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200510060519.19554.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 05 October 2005 12:47, Dave Phillips was like: > tim hall wrote: > >On Monday 03 October 2005 16:58, Dave Phillips was like: > >>Yep, clear as mud. > > > >Please suggest what could be added to this to make it more clear. > >http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/DocumentsFaq#Icantconnecttothenetwork > > Hi Tim: > > Well, a number of interesting observations came to me while reading > that document. For example: Were you (or whoever wrote it) aware that > the pcmcia-cs package wasn't included in 1.2.1 ? Thus the advice to use > the utility was untested, no-one actually tried it. To be honest, no I wasn't aware of this beyond the reports that you have made. I tend to respond to queries rather than be that pro-active about the FAQ. As I'm sure you're aware, this can be hard when one doesn't get feedback. See below for why I didn't personally test it. I'm sure many people do use DeMuDi on laptops, I'm confused as to why you are the only person to have asked this question. > GNOME is indeed installed on my system, but network-admin is not. The > wiki page does not provide enough information on what to do when > everything on the page fails. No reference to pump or the dhcp stuff. Point taken. network-admin should be installed by default, but yes, I had to ask some pointed questions before this was made clear. This should probably be considered a bug. Is it not even on the CD? > Linux naming conventions sometimes seem to delight in confusing users. > Is there some obvious connection between a utility named pump and a > network configuration tool ? You don't wanna know what I think when I > see 'pump'... ;-) A more complete list of the tools needed/supplied to > set up PPP, PPPoe, DSL, cable connections, etc. would be nice. OK, thanks. I'll have to find out WTH pump is then won't I? > How about advising users who will not be using either X or GNOME ? That's what the reference to man interfaces is for. I'll try to expand on that. I don't really want to have to duplicate material that already exists in say, Debian Reference, or whatever. I think it's appropriate to assume that every Debian user has read that. I'm interested in well worded explanations of why that might not be so. I'll include some specific links anyway. > The installer failed to configure eth0. This problem is dealt with in > a FAQ for 1.2.0 but there's no mention that the problem still exists in > 1.2.1. This not specifically a problem with the A/DeMuDi release. It uses the Sarge installer, which does configure most cards out of the box. > Generally speaking, there needs to be much more foresight WRT things > going wrong. More detailed troubleshooting advice is needed. ack. I will say, however, that FAQs generally work on hindsight and people actually asking questions, preferably more than once. You're asking for proper documentation here. I'll see if I can find some. > And the next time someone answers a question re: a failed networking > connection with "Well, just fire up apt-get..." I'm going to say > something I'm sure I'll regret. Apt-get isn't very useful when you can't > connect to the network in the first place... No, it's next to useless. > Btw, I will be overjoyed to discover that I'm an utter lunkhead who > just can't read instructions clearly. I'm not trying to denigrate > anyone's work, but I am genuinely dismayed by the number and kinds of > difficulties I've faced with Demudi. I am equally dismayed with the difficulties you've had to face. I don't use laptops (not through any deliberate policy) so I have not been able to troubleshoot laptop specific problems. If anyone wants to give me a laptop on which to test things I will happily do so. Heh. ;) I do understand your frustrations, I have a similar sized bag of frustrations with the effort it takes to get anything changed in Debian. Some of these questions you would need to ask Free about directly. I think I have moved far enough from being a newbie now that I have begun to forget how confusing this can all be for the neophyte. Thanks for your observations, they will be extremely useful. I shall work through them slowly, probably unpredictably and eventually get round to updating the FAQ. :) That is, assuming I don't lose the will to live while I'm waiting for the page to display in my browser. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Oct 6 00:40:43 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Oct 6 00:40:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: New Virtual Keyboard Proposition In-Reply-To: <20051005234715.GB9614@localdomain> References: <200510051319.j95DIess004708@roar.music.columbia.edu> <1128531229.20086.19.camel@lounger.tydrwg.org> <20051005234715.GB9614@localdomain> Message-ID: <200510060540.43953.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 06 October 2005 00:47, Christian Ohm was like: > PS: Hello, by the way. Hello. Couldn't help but notice your name as Christian Ohm Flatly is an anagram of my full name. I'm not making this up and neither am I trying to be rude. It is an odd coincidence, which probably has no meaning to anyone else. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From ross at jose.lug.udel.edu Thu Oct 6 01:16:23 2005 From: ross at jose.lug.udel.edu (Ross Vandegrift) Date: Thu Oct 6 01:16:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Software for Sine Wave Generation In-Reply-To: <200510042300.11226.dwdraw@bellsouth.net> References: <200510042300.11226.dwdraw@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <20051006051623.GA10269@jose.lug.udel.edu> On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 11:00:09PM -0400, Douglas Ward wrote: > I like to generate (currently, slowly) separate sets of sine waves each > consisting of a fundamental and 2 - 3 pseudo harmonics (really only > justly-tuned perfect fifths, octaves, and a third--major or minor, depending > upon the type of drone I want). What kind of audio hardware do you own? In particular, will you be using a card like the creative emu10k1? If so, you want tonegen: http://www.lns.com/papers/tonegen/ You run the command, it produces a sine wave sound. Supposing you have multiple-open capable hardware, you can just run multiple copies of tonegen to add harmonics! -- Ross Vandegrift ross@lug.udel.edu "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell." --St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37 From arnold.krille at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 03:59:04 2005 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Thu Oct 6 03:59:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: snd-usb-usx2y on amd64? In-Reply-To: <2def88b80510010554k7145035bx@mail.gmail.com> References: <2def88b80510010554k7145035bx@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80510060059h3a3349f3x@mail.gmail.com> Hi again, On 10/1/05, Arnold Krille wrote: > I just wanted to know wether there are any known problems with the > snd-usb-usx2y on amd64? > The data of my machine: kernel is gentoo-2.6.13-r2 with the bundled > alsa-1.0.9b, the usb-driver is ohci-hcd. The machine is a turion64 and > I have acpi turned on... Due to the great reaction I started a bit of investigating myself and installed the mm-2.6.14-rc1 from the gentoo-portage and this seems to run more stable. I was able to use my tascam with 16ms latency running qsampler/linuxsampler and ardour at the same time. qsampler/linuxsampler plus hydrogen seemed to run stable even at 8ms latency but that didn't last to long as I tried to start ardour, which crashed jack/qjackctl which in return crippled the sounddriver and freezes the machine on a new jack-start... I don't know if the reason for the "success" is to be searched in mm-sources or in the transition from 2.6.13 to 2.6.14 but I will investigate into that... Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From m_nels at gmx.net Thu Oct 6 05:08:05 2005 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Thu Oct 6 05:08:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] (OT) Re: New Virtual Keyboard Proposition In-Reply-To: <200510060540.43953.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <200510051319.j95DIess004708@roar.music.columbia.edu> <1128531229.20086.19.camel@lounger.tydrwg.org> <20051005234715.GB9614@localdomain> <200510060540.43953.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <4344E975.2060403@gmx.net> Hi Tim, I had to reply, this just makes me want to ask some questions... tim hall wrote: > Couldn't help but notice your name as Christian Ohm Flatly is an anagram of my > full name. I'm not making this up and neither am I trying to be rude. It is > an odd coincidence, which probably has no meaning to anyone else. Firstly, how/why do you notice things like this? Do you literally look at some words on the screen, and does your brain rearrange the letters? Or do you make random checks on words, just to check if there's an interesting anagram? I guess that people have brains which see things differently. My sister is very good at word games. I struggle with anagrams in particular, but am quite capable in other puzzles. Secondly, (and I'm not trying to be rude - don't answer if you don't want to...) does that make your name Timothy Francis Hall? If that's right, then I'm embarrassingly proud to worked it out. Regards Michael Nelson From dave at pawfal.org Thu Oct 6 07:10:41 2005 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Thu Oct 6 07:10:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] some music In-Reply-To: <200510051155.12085.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <54989.193.203.82.226.1128506759.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <200510051155.12085.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <37843.193.203.82.226.1128597041.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> > On Wednesday 05 Oct 2005 11:05 am, Dave Griffiths wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Some new tracks from me here: >> http://www.pawfal.org/patterncascade/ >> >> cheers, >> >> dave > > Hi Dave. I really liked the live snippets. Really headbanging stuff. The > start > of it sounded really industrial. Sounds of steamhammers, and all those > sort > of undefinable sounds you seem to hear in huge industrial complexes. > Pattern > A is really great. I was thinking of how to add some beats to it,but gave > up. > This is pure Electronica, and sounds just great as it is. Had a few > problems > with pattern B. The beats were ok for me, but the melody just didn't go > down > with my ears. But everyone to there own taste eh! All in all. Nice stuff. > Keep at it. Nigel. thanks Nigel! pattern B was a difficult one as the scale is so different from equal temperament. I'm so used to hearing (and making) melodic music in equal temperament it's difficult to make music in other scales. Hopefully with time it'll get easier... fwiw I think the gig was done in just intonation cheers, dave From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Oct 6 07:49:32 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Oct 6 07:49:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] (OT) Re: New Virtual Keyboard Proposition In-Reply-To: <4344E975.2060403@gmx.net> References: <200510051319.j95DIess004708@roar.music.columbia.edu> <200510060540.43953.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4344E975.2060403@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200510061249.32900.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 06 October 2005 10:08, Michael T D Nelson was like: > Firstly, how/why do you notice things like this? Do you literally look > at some words on the screen, and does your brain rearrange the letters? > Or do you make random checks on words, just to check if there's an > interesting anagram? No, I remember it because one of my workmates worked it out and posted up a joke based on it. > I guess that people have brains which see things differently. My sister > is very good at word games. I struggle with anagrams in particular, but > am quite capable in other puzzles. > > Secondly, (and I'm not trying to be rude - don't answer if you don't > want to...) does that make your name Timothy Francis Hall? If that's > right, then I'm embarrassingly proud to worked it out. Spot on. :) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim FUNEX? 9VFNNEX! FUNEM? 9VFNNEM! RIP RB From jasonmbechtel at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 09:35:03 2005 From: jasonmbechtel at gmail.com (Jason Bechtel) Date: Thu Oct 6 09:35:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Book recommendations In-Reply-To: <1128527721.26818.248.camel@dhin> References: <1128525029.31001.120.camel@groovious> <1128527721.26818.248.camel@dhin> Message-ID: On 10/5/05, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 17:10 +0200, John Anderson wrote: > > I've been asked to write a driver for a PCI card that will interoperate > > with asterisk. I've been writing code in several languages for years, > > but I'm new to linux kernel coding, and to PCI hardware. I've already > > found some fairly good info on TLDP, and on the net in general, but I > > also need some good big-picture info. I've looked on Amazon, but I'm > > feeling overwhelmed by all the options. > > > > So I'm looking for good books on writing kernel drivers (2.4 and 2.6) > > and interfacing with PCI hardware. > > there is only book to consider. "Writing Linux Device drivers" published > by O'Reilly. one of the best technical books i have ever read. Author is > Alessandro Rubini i think, but i tend to be bad with names. The more recent editions are also written with Jonathan Corbet (of LWN.net) and Greg K-H. Beyond just covering drivers, there are a number of books on Linux kernel programming. Jon Corbet just wrote a quick and scathing review of the new book, "The Linux Kernel Primer" by Claudia Salzberg Rodriguez, Gordon Fischer, and Steven Smolski. Sounds like you should avoid it. He also specifically recommends "Linux Kernel Development" by Robert Love, and "Understanding The Linux Kernel" by Bovet and Cesati (third edition due in November). From mdeboer at iua.upf.es Thu Oct 6 10:43:17 2005 From: mdeboer at iua.upf.es (Maarten de Boer) Date: Thu Oct 6 10:45:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] (OT) Re: New Virtual Keyboard Proposition In-Reply-To: <4344E975.2060403@gmx.net> References: <200510051319.j95DIess004708@roar.music.columbia.edu> <1128531229.20086.19.camel@lounger.tydrwg.org> <20051005234715.GB9614@localdomain> <200510060540.43953.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4344E975.2060403@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20051006164317.75749625.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> Michael Nelson wrote: > Firstly, how/why do you notice things like this? Do you literally > look at some words on the screen, and does your brain rearrange the > letters? Or do you make random checks on words, just to check if > there's an interesting anagram? or you use wordplay :-) "oh canine smell" maarten From lconrad at laymusic.org Thu Oct 6 11:19:04 2005 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Thu Oct 6 11:19:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <200510060519.19554.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> (tim hall's message of "Thu, 6 Oct 2005 05:19:18 +0100") References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <200510040923.24233.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4343BD63.4070005@woh.rr.com> <200510060519.19554.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <87irwasmfr.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "th" == tim hall writes: th> That is, assuming I don't lose the will to live while I'm th> waiting for the page to display in my browser. Yes, when I tried to display the page to see what Dave was talking about, I kept wondering how anyone even got as far as being able to complain about it. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Oct 6 11:49:57 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Oct 6 11:49:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <87irwasmfr.fsf@laymusic.org> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <200510060519.19554.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <87irwasmfr.fsf@laymusic.org> Message-ID: <200510061649.57829.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 06 October 2005 16:19, Laura Conrad was like: > ? ? th> That is, assuming I don't lose the will to live while I'm > ? ? th> waiting for the page to display in my browser. > > Yes, when I tried to display the page to see what Dave was talking > about, I kept wondering how anyone even got as far as being able to > complain about it. This is now in the process of being fixed along with various other glitches. :) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim FUNEX? 9VFNNEX! FUNEM? 9VFNNEM! RIP RB From viceic at net2000.ch Thu Oct 6 14:24:24 2005 From: viceic at net2000.ch (Viceic Predrag) Date: Thu Oct 6 14:24:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Freecycle 0.51alpha and agnula In-Reply-To: References: <433EACF2.4040609@sympatico.ca> <433ECF77.5040801@virgilio.it> Message-ID: <200510062024.24784.viceic@net2000.ch> Hi, I'm sincerely willing to help you solve the compile issues mentioned here. I am personally using SuSE, and I know that there are many problems with debian and mandrake and apparently with many other distributions. First thing you can do is disable libinstpatch support in src/cond.pri and build without sf2 export. Then you can take the new src/cond.pri from the cvs, which was modified by Piem (aubio) in order to set the correct glib paths. Then you are welcome to post your gcc/ld output and I'll try to help you re-include libinstpatch. Maybe it would be better to discuss this on freecycle-users@nongnu.org. Cheers, Predrag Viceic Le Dimanche, 2 Octobre 2005 03.31, Loki Davison a ?crit : > On 10/2/05, Salvatore Di Pietro wrote: > > Hector Centeno wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've been trying to build Freecycle 0.51alpha and I can't get to solve > > > a series of errors related to libinstpatch. I've followed all the > > > instructions in the README regarding code changes to portmidi, > > > libinstpatch, etc. > > > > Same here, on Slackware 10.1 and 10.2... :( > > -- > > salvuz > > Same here on Mandriva 2005, amd64. Though i haven't tried to hard to > fix it yet... > > Loki From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Oct 6 17:18:43 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Oct 6 15:32:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AGNULA nightmares, again In-Reply-To: <200510061649.57829.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <43413BD9.1080202@woh.rr.com> <87irwasmfr.fsf@laymusic.org> <200510061649.57829.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <200510062118.44173.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Thursday 06 October 2005 15:49, tim hall wrote: > On Thursday 06 October 2005 16:19, Laura Conrad was like: > > ? ? th> That is, assuming I don't lose the will to live while I'm > > ? ? th> waiting for the page to display in my browser. > > > > Yes, when I tried to display the page to see what Dave was talking > > about, I kept wondering how anyone even got as far as being able to > > complain about it. > > This is now in the process of being fixed along with various other > glitches. :) Hi Tim. This is always a problem when running a webserver off a dialup connection. Joking aside, and back to the big AGNULA nightmares problem. I trolled around a bit on my Debian Sarge's synaptic. Pump is described as a tool for retrieving IP addresses, using dhcp or bootp. (don't know what bootp is, perhaps someone will tell me). The word pump, thinking back to old-time detective movies is to do with obtaining information from informants. Something like "lets pump the guy and see what he comes up with" . I suppose this fits in quite well with the Linux useage of the word. Like. Lets pump the dhcp server and see what IP address it throws back. The only other network config tools I could find on Sarge were "network-console-config" which appears to be tied into running base-config, and "netapplet" , which to quote says "USER-FRIENDLY NETWORK INTERFACE CONTROL APPLET" "Network applet allows the user to control the currently active network interface and perform a small amount of run-time configuration. It is primarily aimed at laptop users who need to be able to switch between different network setups and wireless networks" . That sounds like it coiuld be quite usefull to laptop users. Of course I don't know if either of these programs are on DeMuDi. I did DL the iso,but can't remember where I've put it, and didn't have any CDR's at the time to burn it to. When I find it I'll try it, and see what networking stuff came down with it. May the force be with you. Nigel. From nathaniel.virgo at ntlworld.com Thu Oct 6 16:18:52 2005 From: nathaniel.virgo at ntlworld.com (Nathaniel Virgo) Date: Thu Oct 6 16:18:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] some music In-Reply-To: <54989.193.203.82.226.1128506759.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> References: <54989.193.203.82.226.1128506759.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: <434586AC.5010108@ntlworld.com> Dave Griffiths wrote: >Hi all, > >Some new tracks from me here: >http://www.pawfal.org/patterncascade/ > >cheers, > >dave > > > > I really like this stuff, especially the live snippet and the wrongness of the melodies in pattern b. It'd be awesome to see you play live -- do you have a mailing list or rss feed for gig announcements? (I'm liable to miss things posted to the linux audio lists) -- Escape from the Head Cube http://headcube.net From vvucic at EUnet.yu Thu Oct 6 16:36:31 2005 From: vvucic at EUnet.yu (Vedran Vucic) Date: Thu Oct 6 16:36:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audio software review Message-ID: <1128630991.43458acf30bad@webmail.eunet.yu> Dear colleagues, I wrote audio software review about some free software audio packages for audio recording, mixing, managing radio station. You can find it on http://www.gnucentar.org.yu/Audio_Tools_Scan.pdf please feel free to send me your comments. With best wishes, Vedran Vucic From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Thu Oct 6 12:11:41 2005 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Thu Oct 6 16:57:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audio software review In-Reply-To: <1128630991.43458acf30bad@webmail.eunet.yu> References: <1128630991.43458acf30bad@webmail.eunet.yu> Message-ID: <1128615101.7830.0.camel@eviltwin> On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 15:36, Vedran Vucic wrote: > Dear colleagues, > I wrote audio software review about some free software audio packages for audio > recording, mixing, managing radio station. > > You can find it on > http://www.gnucentar.org.yu/Audio_Tools_Scan.pdf > > please feel free to send me your comments. > > With best wishes, > What? No JAMin for compression? -- Jan "Evil Twin" Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://www.thefuzzydice.com "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From vvucic at EUnet.yu Thu Oct 6 17:08:03 2005 From: vvucic at EUnet.yu (Vedran Vucic) Date: Thu Oct 6 17:08:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audio software review In-Reply-To: <1128615101.7830.0.camel@eviltwin> References: <1128630991.43458acf30bad@webmail.eunet.yu> <1128615101.7830.0.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <1128632883.4345923399a2b@webmail.eunet.yu> No detailed explanation because it is aimed for non-technical people who need to get impression, although dynamic procesing is mentioned. I could write 100 pages, but some people say that this even too much. I am planning larger edition which will surely include Jamin. thanks, Vedran Quoting Jan Depner : > On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 15:36, Vedran Vucic wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > I wrote audio software review about some free software audio packages for > audio > > recording, mixing, managing radio station. > > > > You can find it on > > http://www.gnucentar.org.yu/Audio_Tools_Scan.pdf > > > > please feel free to send me your comments. > > > > With best wishes, > > > > What? No JAMin for compression? > > -- > Jan "Evil Twin" Depner > The Fuzzy Dice > http://www.thefuzzydice.com > > > "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be > glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this > we should do freely and generously." > > Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of > Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 > > From b0ef at esben-stien.name Thu Oct 6 19:11:38 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu Oct 6 17:14:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audio software review In-Reply-To: <1128630991.43458acf30bad@webmail.eunet.yu> (Vedran Vucic's message of "Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:36:31 +0200") References: <1128630991.43458acf30bad@webmail.eunet.yu> Message-ID: <87k6gq2qc5.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Vedran Vucic writes: > http://www.gnucentar.org.yu/Audio_Tools_Scan.pdf Any plans to make it available in a web format? -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From apm at bigendian.dk Thu Oct 6 17:05:56 2005 From: apm at bigendian.dk (Peter Mogensen) Date: Thu Oct 6 17:19:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: audio software review In-Reply-To: <1128630991.43458acf30bad@webmail.eunet.yu> References: <1128630991.43458acf30bad@webmail.eunet.yu> Message-ID: <434591B4.5000702@bigendian.dk> Vedran Vucic wrote: > Dear colleagues, > I wrote audio software review about some free software audio packages for audio > recording, mixing, managing radio station. > > You can find it on > http://www.gnucentar.org.yu/Audio_Tools_Scan.pdf > > please feel free to send me your comments. I wouldn't call Rosegarden a "music notation package". Actually notation is something which Rosegarden is not (unfortunately) very good at. Rosegarden is an audio and MIDI sequencer. If you want notation, you are better of with Lilypond. Peter From vvucic at EUnet.yu Thu Oct 6 17:32:27 2005 From: vvucic at EUnet.yu (Vedran Vucic) Date: Thu Oct 6 17:32:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audio software review In-Reply-To: <87k6gq2qc5.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <1128630991.43458acf30bad@webmail.eunet.yu> <87k6gq2qc5.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <1128634347.434597eb81358@webmail.eunet.yu> Yes, of course, more soon. vedran Quoting Esben Stien : > Vedran Vucic writes: > > > http://www.gnucentar.org.yu/Audio_Tools_Scan.pdf > > Any plans to make it available in a web format? > > -- > Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a > http://www. s t n m > irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact > [sip|iax]: e e > jid:b0ef@ n n > From vvucic at EUnet.yu Thu Oct 6 17:33:59 2005 From: vvucic at EUnet.yu (Vedran Vucic) Date: Thu Oct 6 17:34:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: audio software review In-Reply-To: <434591B4.5000702@bigendian.dk> References: <1128630991.43458acf30bad@webmail.eunet.yu> <434591B4.5000702@bigendian.dk> Message-ID: <1128634439.43459847b2097@webmail.eunet.yu> Hmm, I agree with you, but authors of Rosegarden mentioned recently as notation or score editor. I can put that it i saudio MIDI sequencer. Thanks, vedran Quoting Peter Mogensen : > Vedran Vucic wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > I wrote audio software review about some free software audio packages for > audio > > recording, mixing, managing radio station. > > > > You can find it on > > http://www.gnucentar.org.yu/Audio_Tools_Scan.pdf > > > > please feel free to send me your comments. > > I wouldn't call Rosegarden a "music notation package". Actually notation > is something which Rosegarden is not (unfortunately) very good at. > > Rosegarden is an audio and MIDI sequencer. If you want notation, you are > better of with Lilypond. > > Peter > From matt.price at utoronto.ca Thu Oct 6 17:43:20 2005 From: matt.price at utoronto.ca (Matt Price) Date: Thu Oct 6 17:43:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] determining filetype of unknownaudio files? Message-ID: <1128635000.32097.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi folks, I just discovered two very ancient audio files on my computer. I am pretty sure they contain some interesting archival material in which I am very interested ... but I can't get them to play. The problem is that I don't know what format they're in -- I created them a number of years ago on a mac, and I no longer remember how -- maybe using protools? or maybe someone else made them for me in some other format? Anyway, when I copied them over to linux (eons ago!) I must have lost the resouce forks, and there are no standard .xxx file codes on the file names. I tried just loading the files in xmms and audacity, but neither recognizes them (well, audacity sees one of the two files as a very short burst of static, but the other it can't recognize. I also tried: cat Audio1-01 > /dev/dsp, which of course gave an incoherent squeal. nevertheless I'm pretty confident they really are audio files. soooo... what tools would you suggest I use to determine the file's origins and type? thanks, matt From vvucic at EUnet.yu Thu Oct 6 17:51:11 2005 From: vvucic at EUnet.yu (Vedran Vucic) Date: Thu Oct 6 17:51:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] determining filetype of unknownaudio files? In-Reply-To: <1128635000.32097.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1128635000.32097.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1128635471.43459c4f3cccb@webmail.eunet.yu> try to use Hexedit. maybe there is something written in header. try to check also man sox vedran Quoting Matt Price : > Hi folks, > > I just discovered two very ancient audio files on my computer. I am > pretty sure they contain some interesting archival material in which I > am very interested ... but I can't get them to play. The problem is > that I don't know what format they're in -- I created them a number of > years ago on a mac, and I no longer remember how -- maybe using > protools? or maybe someone else made them for me in some other > format? Anyway, when I copied them over to linux (eons ago!) I must > have lost the resouce forks, and there are no standard .xxx file codes > on the file names. I tried just loading the files in xmms and > audacity, but neither recognizes them (well, audacity sees one of the > two files as a very short burst of static, but the other it can't > recognize. I also tried: > > cat Audio1-01 > /dev/dsp, which of course gave an incoherent squeal. > > nevertheless I'm pretty confident they really are audio files. > > soooo... what tools would you suggest I use to determine the file's > origins and type? > > thanks, > matt > > > From nowindows at terrencevak.net Thu Oct 6 13:58:05 2005 From: nowindows at terrencevak.net (Terrence van Ettinger) Date: Thu Oct 6 18:00:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] determining filetype of unknownaudio files? In-Reply-To: <1128635000.32097.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1128635000.32097.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <17221.26029.234857.902611@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Or, if you made the files on a mac, you might find someone with a mac to help you look at them. Terrence From rj at spamatica.se Thu Oct 6 18:11:31 2005 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Thu Oct 6 18:11:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sayonara, for now Message-ID: <200510070011.31711.rj@spamatica.se> Hello people, being a long time LAU reader it feels a bit wierd to quit the list. Though lately the sheer volume of messages is just too much, I can't keep up. SNR has seemingly gone down a bit too, though I guess both are signs of linux-audio coming of age. Before I leave I have a request concerning the two things I will miss most. - Application announcements, please make announcements to the [Announce] also so people like me can find out. I think most does, just a reminder ;) And the most important one. - I absolutely applaud the increasing posting of music/sound/noise in here lately. I will definitely miss this. I'd be very happy if people made use of the [LAM] list: http://dis-dot-dat.net/mailman/listinfo/lam_dis-dot-dat.net and posted their pieces there also. For people like me that need to cut down on their daily mailinglist-intake it would be a good solution. Read you later, Robert -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From norv at longforest.com Thu Oct 6 18:37:16 2005 From: norv at longforest.com (norv) Date: Thu Oct 6 18:16:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Short movie with music Message-ID: <4345A71C.5080305@longforest.com> Hi all, Here's a link to a short movie I made called "Daisy Hill". I did the music as well. http://www.longforest.com/index.php?set_albumName=Daisy&option=com_gallery&Itemid=&include=view_album.php I shot the movie on my digi still camera in movie mode and edited it in Cinelerra on debian-amd64 sid. I used Hydrogen for the drums, Ensoniq ASR10 sampler for bass and trumpet, and guitars thru ASR10 as pre-amp. Recorded in Ardour. Movie sound mix in Cinelerra. The web movie is 2:18, 8.2MB, Windows Media compatible I didn't spend too much time on the music as the audience was impatient. I transferred the 320x240 10fps web clip to PAL 720x576 48kHz stereo and burned it to DVD with a menu etc. The quality is quite good considering the original format. Cheers, Norv From jesse at essej.net Thu Oct 6 18:25:25 2005 From: jesse at essej.net (Jesse Chappell) Date: Thu Oct 6 18:25:28 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audio software review In-Reply-To: <1128630991.43458acf30bad@webmail.eunet.yu> References: <1128630991.43458acf30bad@webmail.eunet.yu> Message-ID: On 10/6/05, Vedran Vucic wrote: > You can find it on > http://www.gnucentar.org.yu/Audio_Tools_Scan.pdf That is a *very* old screenshot of Ardour in there. I recommend that you replace it with one from the current ardour.org website. Also, the ardour signal flow diagram is far too low level (and also inaccurate) for a document of this type. I would suggest removing it and replacing it with more screenshots :) You should also use the term DAW (digital audio workstation) which much of your audience should already be familiar with. jlc From b0ef at esben-stien.name Thu Oct 6 20:41:47 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu Oct 6 18:44:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sayonara, for now In-Reply-To: <200510070011.31711.rj@spamatica.se> (Robert Jonsson's message of "Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:11:31 +0200") References: <200510070011.31711.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <87br22yx84.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Robert Jonsson writes: > it feels a bit wierd to quit the list. Sad. > the sheer volume of messages is just too much I hit g constantly to look at some fresh mail;). > please make announcements to the [Announce] (list) This should really be an RSS feed, in my opinion. > I'd be very happy if people made use of the [LAM] list Yeah, that would be nice. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From gavin-stevens at gavmusic.freeserve.co.uk Thu Oct 6 19:18:35 2005 From: gavin-stevens at gavmusic.freeserve.co.uk (Gavin Stevens) Date: Thu Oct 6 19:17:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 25, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <200510051320.j95DIest004708@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200510051320.j95DIest004708@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20051007001835.043b7928.gavin-stevens@gavmusic.freeserve.co.uk> > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:05:59 +0100 (BST) > From: "Dave Griffiths" > Subject: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] some music > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Message-ID: > <54989.193.203.82.226.1128506759.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.or > g> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi all, > > Some new tracks from me here: > http://www.pawfal.org/patterncascade/ > > cheers, > > dave Hi Dave, I really enjoyed pattern A. Pattern B might take a bit more getting used to regarding the tuning used. However, I wrote some pieces for harpsichord a few years ago & I spent a lot of time listening to unequal temperaments like quarter-comma meantone & the beautiful Vallotti tuning (in which tuning the pieces were performed). After this, I - a hardened "equal-temperament" pianist - found the equal tuning of the piano rather sour for a good few weeks. The Live track sounded great, once I adjusted to the industrial sound-world. Thanks for sharing these tracks & I look forward to more. Gavin. From ix at replic.net Thu Oct 6 19:34:51 2005 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Thu Oct 6 19:34:56 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] determining filetype of unknownaudio files? In-Reply-To: <1128635000.32097.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1128635000.32097.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20051006233451.GA9138@replic.net> > I just discovered two very ancient audio files on my computer. I am > pretty sure they contain some interesting archival material in which I > am very interested ... but I can't get them to play. The problem is > that I don't know what format they're in -- I created them a number of > years ago on a mac, and I no longer remember how -- maybe using InfoAudio has worked great for files made on my Mac in 1992 with no resource forks, extensions, or descriptive names (mostly .snd, .aiff, .sdII, .au, etc) ..theres some pd patches that then use the info reported to manually override all the bitrate/endianness/samplerate/etc settings to soundfiler/sfread at http://whats-your.name/pd (player.pd maybe, or try w.pd and follow the subpatch tree). InfoAudio is in ftp://ftp.tsp.ece.mcgill.ca//pub/AFsp/AFsp-v8r1.tar.gz5B5B From Stuart.Allie at hydro.com.au Thu Oct 6 19:45:51 2005 From: Stuart.Allie at hydro.com.au (Stuart Allie) Date: Thu Oct 6 19:54:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem with es1371 card - no PCM volume controls! Message-ID: <3FFEDE09D8DF1C4F8DAC977A920A76B60C6764DC@swhexprod.hydrotasmania.com.au> Hi All, I just upgraded from RedHat 9 to Fedora Core 3 + PlanetCCRMA. FC3 correctly identified both the onboard sound (intel8x0) and the pci card (ens1371). While the onboard sound works perfectly, I can't get any sound out of the pci card. The mixer for the pci card doesn't show any PCM controls, so I can't unmute and set the PCM volume. There's a master volume, phono, aux, CD, ... but no PCM. Some info that might help: - /etc/modprobe.conf is pretty simple: alias char-major-116 snd alias snd-card-0 snd-ens1371 option snd-card-0 index=0 alias snd-card-1 snd-intel8x0 option snd-card-1 index=1 alias char-major-14 soundcore alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 alias sound-slot-1 snd-card-1 - Alsa is 1.0.9 (rc1) from the last planet cdrom image for FC3. - /proc/asound/card0/oss_mixer has a line like this: PCM "" 0 - amixer doesn't list a "PCM" simple mixer control. - when installing FC3, it successfully played a sample sound through the ens1371 card. (FC3 uses alsa 1.0.6) Any suggestions? Thanks, Stuart ------------------------------------------------ Stuart Allie stuart -dot- allie -at- hydro -dot- com -dot- au musicians.opensrc.org/StuartAllie allie.opensrc.org ------------------------------------------------ From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 20:14:33 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Oct 6 20:14:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] determining filetype of unknownaudio files? In-Reply-To: <1128635000.32097.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1128635000.32097.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510061714o77a1ce31t72d9e4d260179918@mail.gmail.com> sndfile-info if it understands the format. It's pretty good in my experience. cheers, Mark On 10/6/05, Matt Price wrote: > Hi folks, > > I just discovered two very ancient audio files on my computer. I am > pretty sure they contain some interesting archival material in which I > am very interested ... but I can't get them to play. The problem is > that I don't know what format they're in -- I created them a number of > years ago on a mac, and I no longer remember how -- maybe using > protools? or maybe someone else made them for me in some other > format? Anyway, when I copied them over to linux (eons ago!) I must > have lost the resouce forks, and there are no standard .xxx file codes > on the file names. I tried just loading the files in xmms and > audacity, but neither recognizes them (well, audacity sees one of the > two files as a very short burst of static, but the other it can't > recognize. I also tried: > > cat Audio1-01 > /dev/dsp, which of course gave an incoherent squeal. > > nevertheless I'm pretty confident they really are audio files. > > soooo... what tools would you suggest I use to determine the file's > origins and type? > > thanks, > matt > > > > From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 20:19:47 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Oct 6 20:19:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sayonara, for now In-Reply-To: <200510070011.31711.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200510070011.31711.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510061719l7247899brff0f4f899b98087d@mail.gmail.com> On 10/6/05, Robert Jonsson wrote: > Hello people, > > being a long time LAU reader it feels a bit wierd to quit the list. Though > lately the sheer volume of messages is just too much, I can't keep up. SNR > has seemingly gone down a bit too, though I guess both are signs of > linux-audio coming of age. Before you go, please know one thing and consider another: 1) I value your contributions on all of the lists I've seen you on. Thanks for that. 2) Consider a GMail account for list management only. I'll give you one if you need it. I've been subscribing to the Linux-kernel list for the last few weeks. Even on the heaviest days it only amounts to 30 or so conversations. It's very easy to delete 100's of emails and get to the stuff I want to read. I routinely get about 500 emails a day.480 of them go away very quickly. > Before I leave I have a request concerning the two things I will miss most. > - Application announcements, please make announcements to the [Announce] also > so people like me can find out. I think most does, just a reminder ;) > > And the most important one. > - I absolutely applaud the increasing posting of music/sound/noise in here > lately. I will definitely miss this. I'd be very happy if people made use of > the [LAM] list: > http://dis-dot-dat.net/mailman/listinfo/lam_dis-dot-dat.net Didn't know about this one so I've just signed up. Thanks. See, once again you're a helper. > > and posted their pieces there also. For people like me that need to cut down > on their daily mailinglist-intake it would be a good solution. > > Read you later, > Robert Cheers and good life, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 20:30:12 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Oct 6 20:30:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: HDSP9652 and maybe driver problems In-Reply-To: <001c01c5c72c$6fe5b260$353ea8c0@laptopnew> References: <008201c5c6e3$1f633b80$353ea8c0@laptopnew> <5bdc1c8b0510011806j2a589ad0q44e8744df74d80d@mail.gmail.com> <001c01c5c72c$6fe5b260$353ea8c0@laptopnew> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510061730s666d31c8kdcd94fdb6e811de1@mail.gmail.com> Hi Michele, Sorry for the delay. On 10/2/05, Michele Spinolo wrote: > Hi Mark, > > >Yes, I tried this yesterday. It doesn't compile because my machine is > >AMD64... > > you have to edit the Makefile and change the 9th line from: > CFLAGS = -O2 -march=pentium4 -fno-fast-math > to > CFLAGS = -O2 -march=athlon64 -fno-fast-math > then it should work fine. Yes, it did. Thanks. Now, the program doesn't seem to give me a way to talk to card #1 instead of card #0: mark@lightning ~/CODE/rec_imp $ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [CK804 ]: NFORCE - NVidia CK804 NVidia CK804 with ALC850 at 0xda103000, irq 225 1 [DSP ]: H-DSP - Hammerfall DSP RME Hammerfall HDSP 9652 at 0xda000000, irq 58 mark@lightning ~/CODE/rec_imp $ so it's currently going through my onboard sound chip. Ideas? MAybe I can change a line of code to hardwire it to card #1? > > >One other idea. Remove the two ADAT cables going to your ADI-8 Pro and > >then loop on back on itself so that the ADAT output goes back to the > >ADAT input. This will return whatever signal you send and allow to you > >determine if the problem is in the HDSP 9652 or in the ADI-8 Pro. > > this is a good idea! > I will try! Did you try this yet? - Mark From aaron at nquit.com Thu Oct 6 20:33:11 2005 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron Trumm) Date: Thu Oct 6 20:33:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sayonara, for now In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510061719l7247899brff0f4f899b98087d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200510070011.31711.rj@spamatica.se> <5bdc1c8b0510061719l7247899brff0f4f899b98087d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1128645191.14791.12.camel@cmn23.stanford.edu> why do people keep quitting the list when all they have to do is create a folder for the list, a rule that pipes the messages to that folder, and then you can just paruse the list (or delete them all) whenever you feel like? On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 17:19 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/6/05, Robert Jonsson wrote: > > Hello people, > > > > being a long time LAU reader it feels a bit wierd to quit the list. Though > > lately the sheer volume of messages is just too much, I can't keep up. SNR > > has seemingly gone down a bit too, though I guess both are signs of > > linux-audio coming of age. > > Before you go, please know one thing and consider another: > > 1) I value your contributions on all of the lists I've seen you on. > Thanks for that. > > 2) Consider a GMail account for list management only. I'll give you > one if you need it. I've been subscribing to the Linux-kernel list for > the last few weeks. Even on the heaviest days it only amounts to 30 or > so conversations. It's very easy to delete 100's of emails and get to > the stuff I want to read. I routinely get about 500 emails a day.480 > of them go away very quickly. > > > Before I leave I have a request concerning the two things I will miss most. > > - Application announcements, please make announcements to the [Announce] also > > so people like me can find out. I think most does, just a reminder ;) > > > > And the most important one. > > - I absolutely applaud the increasing posting of music/sound/noise in here > > lately. I will definitely miss this. I'd be very happy if people made use of > > the [LAM] list: > > http://dis-dot-dat.net/mailman/listinfo/lam_dis-dot-dat.net > > Didn't know about this one so I've just signed up. Thanks. See, once > again you're a helper. > > > > > and posted their pieces there also. For people like me that need to cut down > > on their daily mailinglist-intake it would be a good solution. > > > > Read you later, > > Robert > > Cheers and good life, > Mark > From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 20:41:06 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Oct 6 20:41:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Short movie with music In-Reply-To: <4345A71C.5080305@longforest.com> References: <4345A71C.5080305@longforest.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510061741g58e9d05ei9b7d7696efda7bb2@mail.gmail.com> I don't seem to be able to download it. I just get a page to post a comment. - Mark On 10/6/05, norv wrote: > Hi all, > Here's a link to a short movie I made called "Daisy Hill". I did the > music as well. > http://www.longforest.com/index.php?set_albumName=Daisy&option=com_gallery&Itemid=&include=view_album.php > I shot the movie on my digi still camera in movie mode and edited it in > Cinelerra on debian-amd64 sid. > I used Hydrogen for the drums, Ensoniq ASR10 sampler for bass and > trumpet, and guitars thru ASR10 as pre-amp. > Recorded in Ardour. Movie sound mix in Cinelerra. > The web movie is 2:18, 8.2MB, Windows Media compatible > I didn't spend too much time on the music as the audience was impatient. > I transferred the 320x240 10fps web clip to PAL 720x576 48kHz stereo and > burned it to DVD with a menu etc. > The quality is quite good considering the original format. > Cheers, > Norv > From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Thu Oct 6 15:44:05 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Thu Oct 6 21:49:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel 2.6.13 and layla In-Reply-To: <20051005171527.GA11945@replic.net> References: <200509260323.20419.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <200510050553.09805.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <20051005171527.GA11945@replic.net> Message-ID: <200510062144.07351.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> El Mi? 05 Oct 2005 19:15, carmen escribi?: > you mean to make a Layla work? id make sure alsa-driver and alsa-firmware > packages are installed properly, and hotplug is installed and enabled in > the kernel. im not sure exactly why it uses hotplug since its not like > youre hot-plugging the PCI cards! but in any case, on my gentoo system > simply emerging those packages made everything work, you should have > ?ea/layla*.fw files (about a dozen) in /lib/firmware and > /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware Thanks, we will see that! ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From vvucic at EUnet.yu Fri Oct 7 02:47:22 2005 From: vvucic at EUnet.yu (Vedran Vucic) Date: Fri Oct 7 02:47:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audio software review In-Reply-To: References: <1128630991.43458acf30bad@webmail.eunet.yu> Message-ID: <1128667642.434619fa43bd3@webmail.eunet.yu> OK, thanks. I just wondered how to be simple as possible. Screenshots are nice, but sometimes if there are too much thing son them they may be confusing. Anyway, thanks on your suggestion. I will change that. Thanks, Vedran Quoting Jesse Chappell : > On 10/6/05, Vedran Vucic wrote: > > > You can find it on > > http://www.gnucentar.org.yu/Audio_Tools_Scan.pdf > > That is a *very* old screenshot of Ardour in there. I recommend that > you replace it with one from the current ardour.org website. Also, the > ardour signal flow diagram is far too low level (and also inaccurate) > for a document of this type. I would suggest removing it and > replacing it with more screenshots :) > > You should also use the term DAW (digital audio workstation) which > much of your audience should already be familiar with. > > jlc > From vvucic at EUnet.yu Fri Oct 7 02:47:16 2005 From: vvucic at EUnet.yu (Vedran Vucic) Date: Fri Oct 7 02:47:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audio software review In-Reply-To: References: <1128630991.43458acf30bad@webmail.eunet.yu> Message-ID: <1128667636.434619f461098@webmail.eunet.yu> OK, thanks. I just wondered how to be simple as possible. Screenshots are nice, but sometimes if there are too much thing son them they may be confusing. Anyway, thanks on your suggestion. I will change that. Thanks, Vedran Quoting Jesse Chappell : > On 10/6/05, Vedran Vucic wrote: > > > You can find it on > > http://www.gnucentar.org.yu/Audio_Tools_Scan.pdf > > That is a *very* old screenshot of Ardour in there. I recommend that > you replace it with one from the current ardour.org website. Also, the > ardour signal flow diagram is far too low level (and also inaccurate) > for a document of this type. I would suggest removing it and > replacing it with more screenshots :) > > You should also use the term DAW (digital audio workstation) which > much of your audience should already be familiar with. > > jlc > From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Fri Oct 7 04:44:18 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Fri Oct 7 04:44:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sayonara, for now In-Reply-To: <1128645191.14791.12.camel@cmn23.stanford.edu> References: <200510070011.31711.rj@spamatica.se> <5bdc1c8b0510061719l7247899brff0f4f899b98087d@mail.gmail.com> <1128645191.14791.12.camel@cmn23.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <43463562.7030306@walescomputers.co.uk> This is true, and in T'bird you can set to unread. Also you only have to follow threads that you need, or are interested in. I have learnt a lot by following other threads I didint think were valid at the time. cheers Bob Baremusic Aaron Trumm wrote: > why do people keep quitting the list when all they have to do is create > a folder for the list, a rule that pipes the messages to that folder, > and then you can just paruse the list (or delete them all) whenever you > feel like? > > > On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 17:19 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > >>On 10/6/05, Robert Jonsson wrote: >> >>>Hello people, >>> >>>being a long time LAU reader it feels a bit wierd to quit the list. Though >>>lately the sheer volume of messages is just too much, I can't keep up. SNR >>>has seemingly gone down a bit too, though I guess both are signs of >>>linux-audio coming of age. >> >>Before you go, please know one thing and consider another: >> >>1) I value your contributions on all of the lists I've seen you on. >>Thanks for that. >> >>2) Consider a GMail account for list management only. I'll give you >>one if you need it. I've been subscribing to the Linux-kernel list for >>the last few weeks. Even on the heaviest days it only amounts to 30 or >>so conversations. It's very easy to delete 100's of emails and get to >>the stuff I want to read. I routinely get about 500 emails a day.480 >>of them go away very quickly. >> >> >>>Before I leave I have a request concerning the two things I will miss most. >>>- Application announcements, please make announcements to the [Announce] also >>>so people like me can find out. I think most does, just a reminder ;) >>> >>>And the most important one. >>>- I absolutely applaud the increasing posting of music/sound/noise in here >>>lately. I will definitely miss this. I'd be very happy if people made use of >>>the [LAM] list: >>>http://dis-dot-dat.net/mailman/listinfo/lam_dis-dot-dat.net >> >>Didn't know about this one so I've just signed up. Thanks. See, once >>again you're a helper. >> >> >>>and posted their pieces there also. For people like me that need to cut down >>>on their daily mailinglist-intake it would be a good solution. >>> >>>Read you later, >>>Robert >> >>Cheers and good life, >>Mark >> > > -- Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From hans at fugal.net Fri Oct 7 10:07:06 2005 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Fri Oct 7 10:07:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Quoth Message-ID: <4346810A.4050703@fugal.net> This might not be entirely on-topic, but I think it will be interesting anyway. http://www.netjam.org/projects/quoth/ Music generation through dynamic interactive fiction. Pretty neat stuff. There's a short demo video there. I don't see any source, but it's written in smalltalk which runs on Linux and for all I know the guy uses Linux. So it's partially on topic, eh? From brad at sonaural.com Fri Oct 7 10:56:40 2005 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Fri Oct 7 10:56:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Quoth In-Reply-To: <4346810A.4050703@fugal.net> References: <4346810A.4050703@fugal.net> Message-ID: <43468CA8.3040408@sonaural.com> Hans Fugal wrote: > This might not be entirely on-topic, but I think it will be > interesting anyway. > > http://www.netjam.org/projects/quoth/ > > Music generation through dynamic interactive fiction. Pretty neat > stuff. There's a short demo video there. > > I don't see any source, but it's written in smalltalk which runs on > Linux and for all I know the guy uses Linux. So it's partially on > topic, eh? I believe Craig uses the Mac mostly. But, it doesn't really matter too much since the Squeak image can be used on any platform that has a VM. The only relevant problem with the Squeak Linux VM is that in some distros there have been reported lockups when recording. This can be temporarily fixed by using "aoss" to run squeak: aoss /usr/local/lib/squeak/3.7b-6/squeak I'm curious how you found out about quoth? brad -- Brad Fuller (408) 799-6124 ** Sonaural Audio Studios ** (408) 799-6123 West San Jose (408) 799-6124 Cambrian ________________________________ Hear us online: www.Sonaural.com See me on O'Reilly: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/2184 From ce at christeck.de Fri Oct 7 12:54:22 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri Oct 7 12:49:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sayonara, for now In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510061719l7247899brff0f4f899b98087d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200510070011.31711.rj@spamatica.se> <5bdc1c8b0510061719l7247899brff0f4f899b98087d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200510071854.22192.ce@christeck.de> > 1) I value your contributions on all of the lists I've seen you on. > Thanks for that. seconded. Best regards ce From hans at fugal.net Fri Oct 7 13:10:37 2005 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Fri Oct 7 13:10:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Quoth In-Reply-To: <43468CA8.3040408@sonaural.com> References: <4346810A.4050703@fugal.net> <43468CA8.3040408@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <20051007171037.GA21659@falcon.fugal.net> On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 at 07:56 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > I'm curious how you found out about quoth? A friend's blog: http://lifeoflevi.com/blog/ -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Enjoy -- og From rtp405 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 7 13:37:16 2005 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Fri Oct 7 13:37:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Short movie with music In-Reply-To: <4345A71C.5080305@longforest.com> Message-ID: <20051007173717.73477.qmail@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Norv, I watched the video but didn't have time to configure my system to handle audio. I think it's awesome that you used linux tools to do this. Nice Job! ron --- norv wrote: > Hi all, > Here's a link to a short movie I made called "Daisy > Hill". I did the > music as well. > http://www.longforest.com/index.php?set_albumName=Daisy&option=com_gallery&Itemid=&include=view_album.php > I shot the movie on my digi still camera in movie > mode and edited it in > Cinelerra on debian-amd64 sid. > I used Hydrogen for the drums, Ensoniq ASR10 sampler > for bass and > trumpet, and guitars thru ASR10 as pre-amp. > Recorded in Ardour. Movie sound mix in Cinelerra. > The web movie is 2:18, 8.2MB, Windows Media > compatible > I didn't spend too much time on the music as the > audience was impatient. > I transferred the 320x240 10fps web clip to PAL > 720x576 48kHz stereo and > burned it to DVD with a menu etc. > The quality is quite good considering the original > format. > Cheers, > Norv > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From steffl at bigfoot.com Fri Oct 7 14:07:13 2005 From: steffl at bigfoot.com (Erik Steffl) Date: Fri Oct 7 14:07:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] determining filetype of unknownaudio files? In-Reply-To: <1128635000.32097.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1128635000.32097.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4346B951.7060500@bigfoot.com> Matt Price wrote: > Hi folks, > > I just discovered two very ancient audio files on my computer. I am > pretty sure they contain some interesting archival material in which I > am very interested ... but I can't get them to play. The problem is > that I don't know what format they're in -- I created them a number of > years ago on a mac, and I no longer remember how -- maybe using > protools? or maybe someone else made them for me in some other > format? Anyway, when I copied them over to linux (eons ago!) I must > have lost the resouce forks, and there are no standard .xxx file codes > on the file names. I tried just loading the files in xmms and > audacity, but neither recognizes them (well, audacity sees one of the > two files as a very short burst of static, but the other it can't > recognize. I also tried: > > cat Audio1-01 > /dev/dsp, which of course gave an incoherent squeal. > > nevertheless I'm pretty confident they really are audio files. > > soooo... what tools would you suggest I use to determine the file's > origins and type? did you try the obvious 'file Audio1-01'. It might know something about the file. erik From norv at longforest.com Fri Oct 7 17:16:01 2005 From: norv at longforest.com (norv) Date: Fri Oct 7 16:54:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Short movie with music Message-ID: <4346E591.3040907@longforest.com> Hey Mark, If you click on the movie camera above the comment box you should be able to d'load the movie Cheers Norv From rzewnickie at rfa.org Fri Oct 7 17:22:55 2005 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Fri Oct 7 17:23:04 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel 2.6.13 and layla In-Reply-To: <20051005171527.GA11945@replic.net> References: <200509260323.20419.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <20050926171640.GB6424@replic.net> <200510050553.09805.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <20051005171527.GA11945@replic.net> Message-ID: <20051007212255.GB10705@rfa.org> On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 05:15:27PM +0000, carmen wrote: > On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 05:53:08AM +0200, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > El Lun 26 Sep 2005 19:16, carmen escribi?: > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 03:23:18AM +0200, Marcos Guglielmetti > > > wrote: > > > > Hello, Does anybody knows why does the 2 laylas soundcards dont > > > > operate here? We have a complex problem. Using kernel 2.6.13 > > > > form DeMuDi, the PC is really an odd one (SMP, etc. see > > > > pcinfo.txt)... > > > do you have hotplug enabled in kernel, userspace hotplug utils > > > installed, and /lib/firmware symlinked to > > > /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware? that was my probelm with an echo card > > > on debian.. seems to install correctly out of the box on my > > > current OS however.. > > In that case: what should we do? > you mean to make a Layla work? id make sure alsa-driver and > alsa-firmware packages are installed properly, and hotplug is > installed and enabled in the kernel. im not sure exactly why it uses > hotplug since its not like youre hot-plugging the PCI cards! but in hotplug handles the firmware loading. It used to be that you needed a separate firmware loader for most cards that needed firmware loaded. -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Systems Administrator Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Oct 7 18:02:49 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare) Date: Fri Oct 7 18:03:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Short movie with music In-Reply-To: <4345A71C.5080305@longforest.com> References: <4345A71C.5080305@longforest.com> Message-ID: <4346F089.8040700@poeticstudios.com> norv wrote: > Hi all, > Here's a link to a short movie I made called "Daisy Hill". I did the > music as well. > http://www.longforest.com/index.php?set_albumName=Daisy&option=com_gallery&Itemid=&include=view_album.php > > I shot the movie on my digi still camera in movie mode and edited it > in Cinelerra on debian-amd64 sid. > I used Hydrogen for the drums, Ensoniq ASR10 sampler for bass and > trumpet, and guitars thru ASR10 as pre-amp. > Recorded in Ardour. Movie sound mix in Cinelerra. > The web movie is 2:18, 8.2MB, Windows Media compatible > I didn't spend too much time on the music as the audience was impatient. > I transferred the 320x240 10fps web clip to PAL 720x576 48kHz stereo > and burned it to DVD with a menu etc. > The quality is quite good considering the original format. > Cheers, > Norv > > All I can say is: impressive! There's a lesson to learn from you, guys. c. www.cesaremarilungo.com From b0ef at esben-stien.name Fri Oct 7 21:13:10 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Fri Oct 7 19:16:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] New RSS feed for Linux Audio Announce In-Reply-To: <4346AC70.3000006@xung.org> (Olivier Guilyardi's message of "Fri, 07 Oct 2005 19:12:16 +0200") References: <4346AC70.3000006@xung.org> Message-ID: <877jcosteh.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Olivier Guilyardi writes: > I have set up an RSS feed for Linux Audio Announce ;) -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From extremecs at yahoo.com Fri Oct 7 19:22:50 2005 From: extremecs at yahoo.com (October) Date: Fri Oct 7 19:22:52 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Delta 44 help Message-ID: <20051007232250.9842.qmail@web52315.mail.yahoo.com> Ok, I got my Delta 44 installed and ran alsaconf. It seems to work well... just one question! In the Jack Connections window it shows like 10 inputs and 12 outputs! I figured even if the 44 had stereo ins and outs (I'm really not sure as I bought it used and haven't seen a manual for it) those numbers still don't add up! I removed my SB Live! and I'm sure the onboard sound on the mobo is disabled (never saw those extra ins and outs with my Live!). Help? Thanks! Jon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In a world without walls who needs gates or windows? --unknown __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From dplist at free.fr Fri Oct 7 19:45:42 2005 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Fri Oct 7 19:45:33 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Delta 44 help In-Reply-To: <20051007232250.9842.qmail@web52315.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051007232250.9842.qmail@web52315.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051008014542.4cf9ee3a.dplist@free.fr> On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:22:50 -0700 (PDT) October wrote: > Ok, I got my Delta 44 installed and ran alsaconf. It > seems to work well... just one question! > > In the Jack Connections window it shows like 10 inputs > and 12 outputs! I figured even if the 44 had stereo > ins and outs (I'm really not sure as I bought it used > and haven't seen a manual for it) those numbers still > don't add up! This is normal, these are the digital ins and outs of the chip (ice1712/envy24) that sits on your card. On a Delta 44, only 2x4 of them have AD or DA access from or to the analog world, but you can use the other channels with software and mix them with no latency in the chip. Get the program called envy24control to get the most of it, I think it is in the alsa-tools package. > I removed my SB Live! and I'm sure the onboard sound > on the mobo is disabled (never saw those extra ins and > outs with my Live!). > > Help? > > Thanks! > > Jon Enjoy. -- David From idragosani at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 22:13:46 2005 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett W. McCoy) Date: Fri Oct 7 22:13:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Delta 44 help In-Reply-To: <20051007232250.9842.qmail@web52315.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051007232250.9842.qmail@web52315.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <18b65aac0510071913m45859384vc08d5c2d0bbc0899@mail.gmail.com> On 10/7/05, October wrote: > Ok, I got my Delta 44 installed and ran alsaconf. It > seems to work well... just one question! > > In the Jack Connections window it shows like 10 inputs > and 12 outputs! I figured even if the 44 had stereo > ins and outs (I'm really not sure as I bought it used > and haven't seen a manual for it) those numbers still > don't add up! > > I removed my SB Live! and I'm sure the onboard sound > on the mobo is disabled (never saw those extra ins and > outs with my Live!). Believe it or not, that is correct for that card (I use the M-Audio 2496, which uses the same DSP hardware)! The card has internal I/O that can be used internally, with other software, etc. You should get the envy24control utility that is part of the alsatools package... it will let you use the zero-latency hardware monitor as well as configure the card for a variety of things including digital I/O). -- Brett -- Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.chapelperilous.net http://www.alhazred.com http://www.revelmoon.com From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Fri Oct 7 17:15:59 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Fri Oct 7 22:48:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel 2.6.13 and layla In-Reply-To: <20051007212255.GB10705@rfa.org> References: <200509260323.20419.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <20051005171527.GA11945@replic.net> <20051007212255.GB10705@rfa.org> Message-ID: <200510072315.59447.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> El Vie 07 Oct 2005 23:22, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki escribi?: > hotplug handles the firmware loading. It used to be that you needed a > separate firmware loader for most cards that needed firmware loaded. Now we can see how it works. We hope to have both laylas working this weekend. ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From a at gaydenko.com Sat Oct 8 04:20:37 2005 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Sat Oct 8 04:20:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter Message-ID: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> Please, recommend the best sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter with least quality loss. The aim is 96/32 to 44.1/16 conversion. CLI is acceptable, of cource. From dave at pawfal.org Fri Oct 7 22:34:49 2005 From: dave at pawfal.org (dave griffiths) Date: Sat Oct 8 06:34:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] some music In-Reply-To: <434586AC.5010108@ntlworld.com> References: <54989.193.203.82.226.1128506759.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <434586AC.5010108@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1128738889.1189.3.camel@host.kittywake> On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 21:18, Nathaniel Virgo wrote: > Dave Griffiths wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >Some new tracks from me here: > >http://www.pawfal.org/patterncascade/ > > > >cheers, > > > >dave > > > > > > > > > > I really like this stuff, especially the live snippet and the wrongness > of the melodies in pattern b. It'd be awesome to see you play live -- > do you have a mailing list or rss feed for gig announcements? (I'm > liable to miss things posted to the linux audio lists) hmm, I'll figure out how to do an rss feed from my main website. and let you know. thanks for the encouragment! :) I have a couple of performances pencilled in for the end of the year in london and france, but more info closer to the time. cheers, dave From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sat Oct 8 07:53:31 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare) Date: Sat Oct 8 07:53:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] edirol ua-25 hiss, just on gnu/Linux Message-ID: <4347B33B.8080202@poeticstudios.com> Something strange is happening to my edirol audio usb interface: when the pc is booting up I can hear an annoying noise coming from the interface (I mean on the outside, not from the jack). The hiss stops when (I believe) the driver is loaded, or the OS has recognized the interface. This also happens on my ibook. On Linux (Suse9.3 x86_64, and Demudi 1.2.1) the noise never stops. It just seems to diminish after a while. I haven't noticed it before I think before I always wear headphones when I decide to work with this interface. Do you have any clue? c. p.s. I am trying Demudi these days, but I can't achieve the same latency I get with the suse9.3 x86_64 kernel with just the realtime-lsm module. Jack doesn't even start at -n64 -p4 as it does on suse. Am I missing something? www.cesaremarilungo.com From conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de Sat Oct 8 08:10:57 2005 From: conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de (conrad =?iso-8859-1?q?berh=F6rster?=) Date: Sat Oct 8 08:14:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Command line patchbay for jack In-Reply-To: <4346AC70.3000006@xung.org> References: <4346AC70.3000006@xung.org> Message-ID: <200510081410.58560.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Hello all, sorry for cross posting. at the jack application page there is a link to command line port connector for jack. http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=1171695 but unfortunately the link to the sources is dead. is there a way to connect jack applications without qjackctl. every hint is welcome. sizu c~ From derek at x-i.net Sat Oct 8 08:28:33 2005 From: derek at x-i.net (derek holzer) Date: Sat Oct 8 08:28:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Command line patchbay for jack In-Reply-To: <200510081410.58560.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> References: <4346AC70.3000006@xung.org> <200510081410.58560.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4347BB71.6090403@x-i.net> Is this what you're looking for? derek@macumbista ~ $ jack_connect --help usage: jack_connect The source port must be an output port of the source client. The destination port must be an input port of the destination client. d. conrad berh?rster wrote: > Hello all, > > sorry for cross posting. > > at the jack application page there is a link to command line port connector > for jack. > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=1171695 > > but unfortunately the link to the sources is dead. > > is there a way to connect jack applications without qjackctl. > > every hint is welcome. > > sizu c~ > -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 79: "Go slowly all the way round the outside" From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sat Oct 8 10:45:21 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sat Oct 8 08:48:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter In-Reply-To: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> (Andrew Gaydenko's message of "Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:20:37 +0400") References: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <873bncnk3i.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Andrew Gaydenko writes: > recommend the best sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter //info sndfile-info foo.wav //resample sndfile-resample -to 48000 -c 0 foo.wav bar.wav //convert to 16 bit sndfile-convert -pcm16 bar.wav baz.wav -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sat Oct 8 10:48:46 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sat Oct 8 08:51:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Command line patchbay for jack In-Reply-To: <200510081410.58560.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> (conrad =?utf-8?q?berh=C3=B6rster's?= message of "Sat, 8 Oct 2005 14:10:57 +0200") References: <4346AC70.3000006@xung.org> <200510081410.58560.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: <87ll14m5dd.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> conrad berh?rster writes: > is there a way to connect jack applications without qjackctl. jack_lsp, jack_connect, jack_disconnect Patchage is a another GUI. There is also an emacs way, of course;) -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net Sat Oct 8 08:54:46 2005 From: tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net (Tom Szilagyi) Date: Sat Oct 8 08:55:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter In-Reply-To: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> References: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <20051008125446.GA15859@r51> On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 12:20:37PM +0400, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: > Please, recommend the best sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter with > least quality loss. The aim is 96/32 to 44.1/16 conversion. > > CLI is acceptable, of cource. I think Erik's sndfile-resample is the obvious choice here. Tom From a at gaydenko.com Sat Oct 8 09:14:04 2005 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Sat Oct 8 09:14:02 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter In-Reply-To: <20051008125446.GA15859@r51> References: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> <20051008125446.GA15859@r51> Message-ID: <200510081714.04893@goldspace.net> It seems like only a sample rate may be changed with sndfile-resample. I need a bit-depth changing too. ======= On Saturday 08 October 2005 16:54, Tom Szilagyi wrote: ======= On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 12:20:37PM +0400, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: > Please, recommend the best sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter with > least quality loss. The aim is 96/32 to 44.1/16 conversion. > > CLI is acceptable, of cource. I think Erik's sndfile-resample is the obvious choice here. Tom From a at gaydenko.com Sat Oct 8 09:16:47 2005 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Sat Oct 8 09:16:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter In-Reply-To: <873bncnk3i.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> <873bncnk3i.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <200510081716.47117@goldspace.net> Aha, I see, thanks! - I didn't know about sndfile-convert bit-depth converting capabolities. ======= On Saturday 08 October 2005 18:45, Esben Stien wrote: ======= Andrew Gaydenko writes: > recommend the best sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter //info sndfile-info foo.wav //resample sndfile-resample -to 48000 -c 0 foo.wav bar.wav //convert to 16 bit sndfile-convert -pcm16 bar.wav baz.wav -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 09:19:01 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Oct 8 09:19:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter In-Reply-To: <20051008125446.GA15859@r51> References: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> <20051008125446.GA15859@r51> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510080619u4c7d7c3di6b1b3c69de654fcd@mail.gmail.com> On 10/8/05, Tom Szilagyi wrote: > On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 12:20:37PM +0400, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: > > Please, recommend the best sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter with > > least quality loss. The aim is 96/32 to 44.1/16 conversion. > > > > CLI is acceptable, of cource. > > I think Erik's sndfile-resample is the obvious choice here. > > > Tom > In a related vein, what can I use to approximate Acid Pro's handling of tempo and pitch? Ihave a library loops. Let's say that I want to change the tempo of a loop from 76BPM to 84BPM. How can I do this in Linux? Thanks, Mark From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sat Oct 8 05:25:17 2005 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sat Oct 8 10:10:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510080619u4c7d7c3di6b1b3c69de654fcd@mail.gmail.com> References: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> <20051008125446.GA15859@r51> <5bdc1c8b0510080619u4c7d7c3di6b1b3c69de654fcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1128763517.24261.0.camel@eviltwin> On Sat, 2005-10-08 at 08:19, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/8/05, Tom Szilagyi wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 12:20:37PM +0400, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: > > > Please, recommend the best sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter with > > > least quality loss. The aim is 96/32 to 44.1/16 conversion. > > > > > > CLI is acceptable, of cource. > > > > I think Erik's sndfile-resample is the obvious choice here. > > > > > > Tom > > > > In a related vein, what can I use to approximate Acid Pro's handling > of tempo and pitch? Ihave a library loops. Let's say that I want to > change the tempo of a loop from 76BPM to 84BPM. How can I do this in > Linux? > > Thanks, > Mark You can do that in Audacity. I've done it with drum loops and it works OK. -- Jan "Evil Twin" Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://www.thefuzzydice.com "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sat Oct 8 10:15:08 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sat Oct 8 10:13:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510080619u4c7d7c3di6b1b3c69de654fcd@mail.gmail.com> References: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> <20051008125446.GA15859@r51> <5bdc1c8b0510080619u4c7d7c3di6b1b3c69de654fcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1128780908.12415.41.camel@dhin> > In a related vein, what can I use to approximate Acid Pro's handling > of tempo and pitch? Ihave a library loops. Let's say that I want to > change the tempo of a loop from 76BPM to 84BPM. How can I do this in > Linux? at this time, not much. libaubio looks promising as the start of various tools to do this kind of thing, and there is one GUI app already using it that can do beat slicing and time/pitch effects. unfortunately i forget its name, but someone will shout it out, i am sure. libsoundtouch (as used by ardour and audacity) also comes with some cmdline utilities that might be worth checking into, or you could try it inside ardour (set the tempo to 84bpm, insert the loop, timeFX it to 1 bar or whatever) --p From david at haggett.demon.co.uk Sat Oct 8 10:16:38 2005 From: david at haggett.demon.co.uk (David Haggett) Date: Sat Oct 8 10:16:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510080619u4c7d7c3di6b1b3c69de654fcd@mail.gmail.com> References: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> <20051008125446.GA15859@r51> <5bdc1c8b0510080619u4c7d7c3di6b1b3c69de654fcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200510081516.38810.david@haggett.demon.co.uk> On Saturday 08 October 2005 14:19, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/8/05, Tom Szilagyi wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 12:20:37PM +0400, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: > > > Please, recommend the best sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter with > > > least quality loss. The aim is 96/32 to 44.1/16 conversion. > > > > > > CLI is acceptable, of cource. > > > > I think Erik's sndfile-resample is the obvious choice here. > > > > > > Tom > > In a related vein, what can I use to approximate Acid Pro's handling > of tempo and pitch? Ihave a library loops. Let's say that I want to > change the tempo of a loop from 76BPM to 84BPM. How can I do this in > Linux? Audacity does a pretty good job if you don't mind a GUI. -- David Haggett From julien at c-lab.de Sat Oct 8 11:05:30 2005 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sat Oct 8 11:05:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] csound lpc (lpanal) and dssi-support question Message-ID: Hi mates! I wonder if anyone of you could help me a bit. Part of the question I have I asked before. I'm trying to do lpc with csound5. Unfortunitely lpanal in csound5 is still broken, so I use lpanal of older csound4 version. The output I get is silence with one or to glitches in between. Any idea what I'm doing wrong or what csound's doing wrong? Material for the analysis was speech input. Second: Does anyone know more about the status of dssi-support in csound5? I tried but I wouldn't get the expected result. Either I get silence or just the original signal (no effect applied). Any working example known? Thanks for ANY help! I would greatly appreciate it! Kindest regards Julien P.S.: If anyone knows a much better place to ask my csound questions, please give me an urls or mail-adsress. -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sat Oct 8 13:43:53 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sat Oct 8 11:46:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Short movie with music In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510061741g58e9d05ei9b7d7696efda7bb2@mail.gmail.com> (Mark Knecht's message of "Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:41:06 -0700") References: <4345A71C.5080305@longforest.com> <5bdc1c8b0510061741g58e9d05ei9b7d7696efda7bb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <873bnbnbty.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Mark Knecht writes: > I don't seem to be able to download it. You have to hit the pic again;) http://www.longforest.com/images/stories/albums/Daisy/daisy7_lavc_ms_400.avi -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From ruinaudio at comcast.net Sat Oct 8 12:49:04 2005 From: ruinaudio at comcast.net (Ruinaudio) Date: Sat Oct 8 12:49:56 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] edirol ua-25 hiss, just on gnu/Linux In-Reply-To: <4347B33B.8080202@poeticstudios.com> References: <4347B33B.8080202@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <1128790144.20987.4.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2005-10-08 at 13:53 +0200, Cesare wrote: > Something strange is happening to my edirol audio usb interface: when > the pc is booting up I can hear an annoying noise coming from the > interface (I mean on the outside, not from the jack). The hiss stops > when (I believe) the driver is loaded, or the OS has recognized the > interface. This also happens on my ibook. > > On Linux (Suse9.3 x86_64, and Demudi 1.2.1) the noise never stops. It > just seems to diminish after a while. I haven't noticed it before I > think before I always wear headphones when I decide to work with this > interface. > > Do you have any clue? I have the same interface and I also hear the "hiss" though for me it's more of a "capacitor hum". I've only ever used it with linux so I can't say if it goes away on any other OS. The sound does become quite after a while (perhaps when the components warm). IIRC I've heard of the same experience from other UA-25 owners, sorry I can't be of more help. It's a pretty easy unit to take apart, if you're very curious you might be able to track down exactly what part is humming and contact the edirol for information. -ry From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sat Oct 8 14:48:57 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sat Oct 8 13:20:23 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Short movie with music In-Reply-To: <4345A71C.5080305@longforest.com> References: <4345A71C.5080305@longforest.com> Message-ID: <200510081848.58017.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Thursday 06 October 2005 22:37, norv wrote: > Hi all, > Here's a link to a short movie I made called "Daisy Hill". I did the > music as well. > http://www.longforest.com/index.php?set_albumName=Daisy&option=com_gallery& >Itemid=&include=view_album.php I shot the movie on my digi still camera in > movie mode and edited it in Cinelerra on debian-amd64 sid. > I used Hydrogen for the drums, Ensoniq ASR10 sampler for bass and > trumpet, and guitars thru ASR10 as pre-amp. > Recorded in Ardour. Movie sound mix in Cinelerra. > The web movie is 2:18, 8.2MB, Windows Media compatible > I didn't spend too much time on the music as the audience was impatient. > I transferred the 320x240 10fps web clip to PAL 720x576 48kHz stereo and > burned it to DVD with a menu etc. > The quality is quite good considering the original format. > Cheers, > Norv Hi Norv. Someone said they got the video, but no sound so I thought I'd go for it. Got a hardware problem on the machine with FC1 that's got Mplayer with the .avi codecs, so I put Mplayer on a Gentoo install on the other machine. Great. I've got sound but no video, except a "Matrix" type thing on the screen. No .avi codecs came with Mplayer, and I'm not sure how to find em on Gentoo, so back to fixing the other machine. Real "Big problems in Little China" here. The third harddrive had been renamed from hde to hdc (it runs off an ide pci adaptor card booting from floppy). Then when I booted up FC2 on the same machine, all the cdrom/dvdrom drives had disappeared. Took a while, like most of the day, doh, but eventually tracked it down to the cd writer being hosed. Now to play your movie. Great. No problems. I think the movies really good. It's got that sort of surreal look to it, and the sounds, even though you said you'd thrown them together, go very well with it. Perhaps I'm biased cause I'm really into dance music, but I do think it comes over very well. Breakaways into the trees here and there creates a real atmosphere along with the breaks soundtrack. I'm getting a bit old at 57, and the furthest my mountain bike goes is down to the local town for a couple of baguettes. As for the stunts. I'm trying to stay in one piece. Keep at it man. I like it. Nigel. From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 14:35:57 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Oct 8 14:36:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Short movie with music In-Reply-To: <4346E591.3040907@longforest.com> References: <4346E591.3040907@longforest.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510081135o17234d2fwed681a6d47d82c14@mail.gmail.com> Hi Norv, Yeah, I eventually figured that out and got the movie downloaded. It plays great here using Totem. Cool movie. Looks like you guys were having fun. 1) This proves that Cinelerra can actually make a movie. My son and I have tried a number of times to use it and haven't figured out the first thing about it. 2) Groovy little sound track. How did you go about building the sound against the movie? Is it a single audio track output from Ardour, or is ti a bunch of pieces that are then laid down in Cinelerra against the video somehow? Anyway, cool stuff and glad to see a little bit of multimedia going on with Ardour. Take care, Mark On 10/7/05, norv wrote: > Hey Mark, > If you click on the movie camera above the comment box you should be > able to d'load the movie > Cheers > Norv > From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sat Oct 8 14:58:25 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare) Date: Sat Oct 8 14:58:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] edirol ua-25 hiss, just on gnu/Linux In-Reply-To: <1128790144.20987.4.camel@localhost> References: <4347B33B.8080202@poeticstudios.com> <1128790144.20987.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <434816D1.5050208@poeticstudios.com> Ruinaudio wrote: >On Sat, 2005-10-08 at 13:53 +0200, Cesare wrote: > > >>Something strange is happening to my edirol audio usb interface: when >>the pc is booting up I can hear an annoying noise coming from the >>interface (I mean on the outside, not from the jack). The hiss stops >>when (I believe) the driver is loaded, or the OS has recognized the >>interface. This also happens on my ibook. >> >>On Linux (Suse9.3 x86_64, and Demudi 1.2.1) the noise never stops. It >>just seems to diminish after a while. I haven't noticed it before I >>think before I always wear headphones when I decide to work with this >>interface. >> >>Do you have any clue? >> >> > >I have the same interface and I also hear the "hiss" though for me it's >more of a "capacitor hum". I've only ever used it with linux so I can't >say if it goes away on any other OS. The sound does become quite after >a while (perhaps when the components warm). IIRC I've heard of the same >experience from other UA-25 owners, sorry I can't be of more help. It's >a pretty easy unit to take apart, if you're very curious you might be >able to track down exactly what part is humming and contact the edirol >for information. > >-ry > > > Yes.I can hear the same kind of hum you can get when a transformer starts resonating. What is strange is that it stops on windows and on mac, like if the linux driver is missing some setting. c. From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sat Oct 8 17:22:23 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sat Oct 8 15:25:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter In-Reply-To: <1128780908.12415.41.camel@dhin> (Paul Davis's message of "Sat, 08 Oct 2005 10:15:08 -0400") References: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> <20051008125446.GA15859@r51> <5bdc1c8b0510080619u4c7d7c3di6b1b3c69de654fcd@mail.gmail.com> <1128780908.12415.41.camel@dhin> Message-ID: <8764s71z74.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Paul Davis writes: > one GUI app [..] can do beat slicing and time/pitch effects http://www.redsteamrecords.com/freecycle/ -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 16:09:44 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Oct 8 16:09:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter In-Reply-To: <8764s71z74.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> <20051008125446.GA15859@r51> <5bdc1c8b0510080619u4c7d7c3di6b1b3c69de654fcd@mail.gmail.com> <1128780908.12415.41.camel@dhin> <8764s71z74.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510081309q22e29e27x72d0c9772348af17@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the pointers to Audacity & FreeCycle. I'll look at them for this task when I get a chance. I suppose I was hoping to find a command line oriented option. I have lots of Acid loops and sometimes would like to drop them into an Ardour session, but at a minimum the tempo is never right, and generally the pitch isn't either. It would be great to be able to build a 113BPM set of files from a 98BPM set, maybe with the option of pitching them up or down a bit. Maybe the tools that built FreeCycle have some option to run from the command line? I'll check into that a bit. Thanks, Mark On 10/8/05, Esben Stien wrote: > Paul Davis writes: > > > one GUI app [..] can do beat slicing and time/pitch effects > > http://www.redsteamrecords.com/freecycle/ > > -- > Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a > http://www. s t n m > irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact > [sip|iax]: e e > jid:b0ef@ n n > From smassy at sdf.lonestar.org Sat Oct 8 16:42:08 2005 From: smassy at sdf.lonestar.org (S. Massy) Date: Sat Oct 8 16:42:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Portable field recording set-up? Message-ID: <20051008204208.GA18631@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Hi, For a project of mine, I would need a portable, affordable ($200-250) way to make quality stereo recordings of natural and/or urban environments. Here are the criteria I have defined so far: * sr should be at least 44.1khz * recording should be stereo * if compressed, prefer lossless compression, otherwise, good quality encoding: minimum 160kbps * Should be reasonably portable (i.e compact and battery-operated) and sturdy. So far, the idea I came up with is to use one of those little Iriver flash players, or even one of their hd-based ones, if I can find one chap enough, with a stereo mic going into a little pre-amp, then going into the Iriver's line-in. Anybody has any comments on such a set-up? Any other idea comes to mind? I heard that minidisc recorders do a very good job when used for field recordings, and that many already have inputs for a stereo mic, but, as far as I could tell, they interact very poorly with Linux, and they use a proprietary compression format. How accurate is this? Has anybody had a positive experience with a minidisc recorder and Linux? Thanks, S.M. -- smassy@sdf.lonestar.org From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sat Oct 8 17:01:07 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sat Oct 8 16:59:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Portable field recording set-up? In-Reply-To: <20051008204208.GA18631@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20051008204208.GA18631@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Message-ID: <1128805267.12415.51.camel@dhin> On Sat, 2005-10-08 at 20:42 +0000, S. Massy wrote: > Hi, > > For a project of mine, I would need a portable, affordable ($200-250) > way to make quality stereo recordings of natural and/or urban > environments. Here are the criteria I have defined so far: > * sr should be at least 44.1khz > * recording should be stereo > * if compressed, prefer lossless compression, otherwise, good quality > encoding: minimum 160kbps > * Should be reasonably portable (i.e compact and battery-operated) and > sturdy. > > So far, the idea I came up with is to use one of those little Iriver > flash players, or even one of their hd-based ones, if I can find one > chap enough, with a stereo mic going into a little pre-amp, then going > into the Iriver's line-in. Anybody has any comments on such a set-up? > Any other idea comes to mind? > > I heard that minidisc recorders do a very good job when used for field > recordings, and that many already have inputs for a stereo mic, but, > as far as I could tell, they interact very poorly with Linux, and they > use a proprietary compression format. How accurate is this? Has > anybody had a positive experience with a minidisc recorder and Linux? we just got an iAudio X5. its a disk-based system, not flash. rugged, thought not "industrially" so, interacts perfectly with linux (USB mass storage device, no special playlist s/w required). plays videos, WAV, FLAC, ogg as well as the usual mp3/wma crowd. has line-in, though through an "expander" connector. --p From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 18:32:00 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Oct 8 18:32:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter In-Reply-To: <1128780908.12415.41.camel@dhin> References: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> <20051008125446.GA15859@r51> <5bdc1c8b0510080619u4c7d7c3di6b1b3c69de654fcd@mail.gmail.com> <1128780908.12415.41.camel@dhin> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510081532v2f8a7860r1eff3e17eca5e9f8@mail.gmail.com> On 10/8/05, Paul Davis wrote: > > In a related vein, what can I use to approximate Acid Pro's handling > > of tempo and pitch? Ihave a library loops. Let's say that I want to > > change the tempo of a loop from 76BPM to 84BPM. How can I do this in > > Linux? > > at this time, not much. libaubio looks promising as the start of various > tools to do this kind of thing, and there is one GUI app already using > it that can do beat slicing and time/pitch effects. unfortunately i > forget its name, but someone will shout it out, i am sure. libsoundtouch > (as used by ardour and audacity) also comes with some cmdline utilities > that might be worth checking into, or you could try it inside ardour > (set the tempo to 84bpm, insert the loop, timeFX it to 1 bar or > whatever) > > --p Thanks Paul. It's looking like FreeSysle is possibly the app you were thinking of? I'm trying it out today. Old story, which I know you know, but I'd really like to see the Region List beefed up so that it doesn't fail with large nubers of files (it dies here with more than a few hundred files) and then someday have some of this retiming capability in Ardour. Of course, that's something we've talked about before so I patiently wait... ;-) Cheers, Mark Cheers, Mark From fbar at footils.org Sat Oct 8 18:48:40 2005 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Oct 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Portable field recording set-up? In-Reply-To: <1128805267.12415.51.camel@dhin> References: <20051008204208.GA18631@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <1128805267.12415.51.camel@dhin> Message-ID: <20051008224840.GE8686@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Paul Davis hat gesagt: // Paul Davis wrote: > On Sat, 2005-10-08 at 20:42 +0000, S. Massy wrote: > > For a project of mine, I would need a portable, affordable ($200-250) > > way to make quality stereo recordings of natural and/or urban > > environments. Here are the criteria I have defined so far: > > * sr should be at least 44.1khz > > * recording should be stereo > > * if compressed, prefer lossless compression, otherwise, good quality > > encoding: minimum 160kbps > > * Should be reasonably portable (i.e compact and battery-operated) and > > sturdy. > we just got an iAudio X5. its a disk-based system, not flash. rugged, > thought not "industrially" so, interacts perfectly with linux (USB mass > storage device, no special playlist s/w required). plays videos, WAV, > FLAC, ogg as well as the usual mp3/wma crowd. has line-in, though > through an "expander" connector. But this iAudio only records mp3, doesn't it? Which sucks for field recordings especially. (Expensive) alternatives might be these: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MicroTrack2496-main.html http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html or go for a really small laptop. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From Spencer.Russell at oberlin.edu Sat Oct 8 19:44:01 2005 From: Spencer.Russell at oberlin.edu (Spencer Russell) Date: Sat Oct 8 19:49:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Programming Tempo Changes in Hydrogen In-Reply-To: <200510030754.46156.david@haggett.demon.co.uk> References: <200510030754.46156.david@haggett.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20051008234401.GA3076@mouse.oberlin.edu> I've never tried it personally, but you should be able to just put the tempo change in Ardour, then sync it all up with Jack. -spencer On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 07:54:45AM +0100, David Haggett wrote: > Is it possible to program a mid-song change in tempo into Hydrogen? I'd like > to switch from about 88 to 110bpm at 2/3 of the way through. > > I thought about recording it into ardour in 2 stages, but it seems a bit of a > kludge. > > Thanks in advance > -- > > David Haggett > From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Oct 9 00:11:31 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun Oct 9 00:10:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510081532v2f8a7860r1eff3e17eca5e9f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> <20051008125446.GA15859@r51> <5bdc1c8b0510080619u4c7d7c3di6b1b3c69de654fcd@mail.gmail.com> <1128780908.12415.41.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510081532v2f8a7860r1eff3e17eca5e9f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1128831091.12415.56.camel@dhin> > Thanks Paul. It's looking like FreeSysle is possibly the app you were > thinking of? I'm trying it out today. yes, that was the one. > Old story, which I know you know, but I'd really like to see the > Region List beefed up so that it doesn't fail with large nubers of > files (it dies here with more than a few hundred files) and then i am just wrapping up rewriting the visual side of the region list for the gtk2 port. what do you mean by "dies with more than a few hundred files" ? > someday have some of this retiming capability in Ardour. Of course, libaubio looks promising. soundtouch seems fundamentally unable to do the job correctly. --p From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Oct 9 02:46:35 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Oct 9 02:46:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] some music In-Reply-To: <37843.193.203.82.226.1128597041.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> References: <54989.193.203.82.226.1128506759.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <200510051155.12085.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <37843.193.203.82.226.1128597041.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: <200510090746.36694.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 06 October 2005 12:10, Dave Griffiths was like: > thanks Nigel! pattern B was a difficult one as the scale is so different > from equal temperament. I'm so used to hearing (and making) melodic music > in equal temperament it's difficult to make music in other scales. > Hopefully with time it'll get easier... I think you are using voices with a tonal spectrum that is a little wide for the scale, it sounds as if there is some additional detuning, plus quite a lot of semi-tone / whole-tone clashes, especially at the beginning. I'm wondering if the harmonics / partials of the tone are creating dissonances with the melody. I would suggest trying the same thing with closer to sine tones. It's also possible that this kind of scale would traditionally be used for melody only with no attempt to harmonise or counterpoint (?) dunno really. I can't say it bothers me that much. Thanks for releasing these tunes. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim FUNEX? 9VFNNEX! FUNEM? 9VFNNEM! RIP RB From shakti at bayarea.net Sun Oct 9 05:41:33 2005 From: shakti at bayarea.net (Tracey Hytry) Date: Sun Oct 9 05:41:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] WhySynth DSSI softsynth In-Reply-To: <3f184cda08a8f2e91dc446295423b505@jps.net> References: <3f184cda08a8f2e91dc446295423b505@jps.net> Message-ID: <20051009024133.34a6c2e6.shakti@bayarea.net> Sean Bolton says: > Introducing WhySynth, a DSSI softsynth plugin. > > WhySynth, as in 'Y'-synth, the super-sized, frankensteinized, > evolved and mutated, still rather dorky younger sibling of > Xsynth-DSSI. > > WhySynth, as in (I sometimes ask), "_why_ am I working on another > softsynth instead of on paying gigs?" (Following my bliss? > Addiction? One last shot at misspent youth?) All I can say is WOW! I got a chance to compile it and test it out a little tonight and am very impressed. I haven't gotten to playing with all of the controls yet, but from the sound of the various patches this thing is great. It reminds me a lot of the Alesis Andromeda, which is saying a lot when talking about a softsynth. I am especially impressed with the LFOs and the ADSR variations, things I really like about the Andromeda. I hope that you have the time to clean it up some more when you can, because this thing is great! Thanks, Tracey. From david at haggett.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 9 08:12:05 2005 From: david at haggett.demon.co.uk (David Haggett) Date: Sun Oct 9 08:12:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Programming Tempo Changes in Hydrogen In-Reply-To: <20051008234401.GA3076@mouse.oberlin.edu> References: <200510030754.46156.david@haggett.demon.co.uk> <20051008234401.GA3076@mouse.oberlin.edu> Message-ID: <200510091312.05373.david@haggett.demon.co.uk> On Sunday 09 October 2005 00:44, Spencer Russell wrote: > On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 07:54:45AM +0100, David Haggett wrote: > > Is it possible to program a mid-song change in tempo into Hydrogen? I'd > > like to switch from about 88 to 110bpm at 2/3 of the way through. > > > > I thought about recording it into ardour in 2 stages, but it seems a bit > > of a kludge. > I've never tried it personally, but you should be able to just > put the tempo change in Ardour, then sync it all up with Jack. I thought of that too. I've worked out how to get them in sync so that they start and stop together (stopping the recording at the end of the drum track is really useful). I've noticed that Ardour reports the tempo to QJackCtl, but I can't seem to get Hydrogen to take any notice (i.e. it continues pumping away at whatever tempo is set in Hydrogen). I'm using: jack 0.99.0 as provided by SuSE, but recompiled to use /dev/shm ardour 0.9beta30 hydrogen 0.9.2 qjackctl 0.2.16 (couldn't get 0.2.18 to compile) Any ideas where I might be going wrong? -- David Haggett From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Oct 9 09:19:26 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Oct 9 09:11:28 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Portable field recording set-up? In-Reply-To: <20051008224840.GE8686@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20051008204208.GA18631@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <1128805267.12415.51.camel@dhin> <20051008224840.GE8686@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <434918DE.6080100@woh.rr.com> Greetings: You might also consider purchasing a CoreSound PDAudioCF card: http://www.core-sound.com/default.php It's a great card, I have one in a PCMCIA slot with a Flash adapter, works fine. I've tested it with ecasound with excellent results. Best, dp Frank Barknecht wrote: >Hallo, >Paul Davis hat gesagt: // Paul Davis wrote: > > > >>On Sat, 2005-10-08 at 20:42 +0000, S. Massy wrote: >> >> >>>For a project of mine, I would need a portable, affordable ($200-250) >>>way to make quality stereo recordings of natural and/or urban >>>environments. Here are the criteria I have defined so far: >>>* sr should be at least 44.1khz >>>* recording should be stereo >>>* if compressed, prefer lossless compression, otherwise, good quality >>> encoding: minimum 160kbps >>>* Should be reasonably portable (i.e compact and battery-operated) and >>> sturdy. >>> >>> >>we just got an iAudio X5. its a disk-based system, not flash. rugged, >>thought not "industrially" so, interacts perfectly with linux (USB mass >>storage device, no special playlist s/w required). plays videos, WAV, >>FLAC, ogg as well as the usual mp3/wma crowd. has line-in, though >>through an "expander" connector. >> >> > >But this iAudio only records mp3, doesn't it? Which sucks for field >recordings especially. > >(Expensive) alternatives might be these: >http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MicroTrack2496-main.html >http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html >or go for a really small laptop. > >Ciao > > From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 09:23:39 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 9 09:23:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter In-Reply-To: <1128831091.12415.56.camel@dhin> References: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> <20051008125446.GA15859@r51> <5bdc1c8b0510080619u4c7d7c3di6b1b3c69de654fcd@mail.gmail.com> <1128780908.12415.41.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510081532v2f8a7860r1eff3e17eca5e9f8@mail.gmail.com> <1128831091.12415.56.camel@dhin> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510090623l5ce3cbbv45b70c1e836188a5@mail.gmail.com> On 10/8/05, Paul Davis wrote: > > Thanks Paul. It's looking like FreeSysle is possibly the app you were > > thinking of? I'm trying it out today. > > yes, that was the one. > > > Old story, which I know you know, but I'd really like to see the > > Region List beefed up so that it doesn't fail with large nubers of > > files (it dies here with more than a few hundred files) and then > > i am just wrapping up rewriting the visual side of the region list for > the gtk2 port. what do you mean by "dies with more than a few hundred > files" ? I've tried this a couple of times. I have some CDs with lots of drum loops - about 800-1000/CD. I then have 20 or so Acid loop CDs, each with 200-400 loops. All this stuff is on one of my 1394 drives. When I tell Ardour to import the first CD's directory it works, and usually works for the second CD also. At this point I can still expand and shrink the directory listings in what I guess is the interface to the sound file data base, but it's has gotten very slow. When I add in a 3rd CD with probably 300-400 loops what happens is even the visual interface isn't working. I see the name of the first CD imported, along with a '-' in a box, and maybe one downward line, likeit was trying to draw the hierarchy, but it never prints anything else, and the '-' won't contract to show me the second CD anymore. I could send you some screen shots if it would help. I do wonder if this isn't some basic database problem. Has anyone else tried to put possibly 5-10 thousand files into their sfbd? I suspect that this is an opportunity to use MySql waiting to happen. > > > someday have some of this retiming capability in Ardour. Of course, > > libaubio looks promising. soundtouch seems fundamentally unable to do > the job correctly. > I tried building FreeCycle but it didn't build. I haven't found a user list to subscribe to. The program does have a forum where I posted my compile error. I'll continue to try and build it if I get some help. Take care, Mark From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Oct 9 09:55:42 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Oct 9 09:47:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Short movie with music In-Reply-To: <4345A71C.5080305@longforest.com> References: <4345A71C.5080305@longforest.com> Message-ID: <4349215E.8050903@woh.rr.com> Hi Norv: Cool work. I especially liked the sound of the slide guitar, sounded a lot like the pedal steel in King Sunny Ade's music. Cool too that it was all done with software libre. May I have some more, please, sir ? Best, dp norv wrote: > Hi all, > Here's a link to a short movie I made called "Daisy Hill". I did the > music as well. > http://www.longforest.com/index.php?set_albumName=Daisy&option=com_gallery&Itemid=&include=view_album.php > > I shot the movie on my digi still camera in movie mode and edited it > in Cinelerra on debian-amd64 sid. > I used Hydrogen for the drums, Ensoniq ASR10 sampler for bass and > trumpet, and guitars thru ASR10 as pre-amp. > Recorded in Ardour. Movie sound mix in Cinelerra. > The web movie is 2:18, 8.2MB, Windows Media compatible > I didn't spend too much time on the music as the audience was impatient. > I transferred the 320x240 10fps web clip to PAL 720x576 48kHz stereo > and burned it to DVD with a menu etc. > The quality is quite good considering the original format. > Cheers, > Norv > From dubphil at free.fr Sun Oct 9 11:59:05 2005 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Sun Oct 9 10:00:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to synchronize with midi... Message-ID: <60425.192.168.0.2.1128873545.squirrel@192.168.0.2> Hello, I need to synchronize 3 entities : hydrogen, freewheeling and my tb303. my tb303 is connected to a midi router converting sync24 to midi signal, so consider my tb303 to be an external midi sequencer, I would like to elect it to be the master and I would like to make hydrogen and freewheeling be the slaves. This is the theory, but paracticaly, I'm completely lost. I believe that I could use the Jack transport (it is my sound server) but I don't know how to begin and if I need a third party tool. I'm afraid that what I need is not yet or will never be possible, but if it can give ideas I will be happy. Nevertheless, any advice or pointing on a good tutorial on this subject will be very very kind, even if it involves other gears and softs. Best regards Philippe From A.Kuckartz at ping.de Sun Oct 9 12:20:52 2005 From: A.Kuckartz at ping.de (Andreas Kuckartz) Date: Sun Oct 9 12:20:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Wireless digital headphones Message-ID: <43494364.1090708@ping.de> Maybe someone here has some suggestions or hints (including websites). I am looking for good wireless digital headphones which I can directly connect to a computer. These are the main requirements: - wireless - digital transmission - digital connection to computer - no hiss / high fidelity (and compatible with Linux ;-) So far I found information on these models: Radio transmission: - AKG Hearo 888 Digital / Hearo 999 Digital (Audiosphere II) - Amphony Model 1000 / 2000 / 2500** - Philips SBC HD 1500 Infrared transmission: - Pioneer SE-DIR800C - Sony MDR-DS3000 / MDR-DS4000 Cheers, Andreas From ce at christeck.de Sun Oct 9 13:21:58 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Oct 9 13:16:31 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] WhySynth DSSI softsynth In-Reply-To: <3f184cda08a8f2e91dc446295423b505@jps.net> References: <3f184cda08a8f2e91dc446295423b505@jps.net> Message-ID: <200510091921.58789.ce@christeck.de> Hi, > Introducing WhySynth, a DSSI softsynth plugin. Mmmmmh.... [...] > WhySynth is a work in progress. Actually, since the kid was born, > progress has slowed to a near-utter standstill, but if I can't > release often, I might as well release early. Thanks a lot for writing and sharing the code. Further efforts, if any, will be really appreciated. I did not intensively test it, but it looks very promising. Like the concept. An extra thanks for all the example patches. Some short observations: * When plaing the kid from a MIDI keyboard, there's an audible delay between releasing the key until the note gets cut off. * Pedal hold gets recognized, but notes are only held until I release the last note. This way I cannot hold a note via the pedal and tweak parameters. Anyway, a great piece of software. A great addition to ALSA Modular Synth and ZynAddSubFX. Thanks! Best regards ce From rzewnickie at rfa.org Sun Oct 9 14:47:29 2005 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Sun Oct 9 14:47:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter In-Reply-To: <200510081716.47117@goldspace.net> References: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> <873bncnk3i.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <200510081716.47117@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <20051009184729.GA10899@rfa.org> On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 05:16:47PM +0400, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: > Aha, I see, thanks! - I didn't know about sndfile-convert bit-depth > converting capabolities. > > ======= On Saturday 08 October 2005 18:45, Esben Stien wrote: ======= > Andrew Gaydenko writes: > > > recommend the best sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter > > //info > sndfile-info foo.wav > > //resample > sndfile-resample -to 48000 -c 0 foo.wav bar.wav > > //convert to 16 bit > sndfile-convert -pcm16 bar.wav baz.wav ecasound can also perform these operations. -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Systems Administrator Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From a at gaydenko.com Sun Oct 9 15:03:32 2005 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Sun Oct 9 15:03:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter In-Reply-To: <20051009184729.GA10899@rfa.org> References: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> <200510081716.47117@goldspace.net> <20051009184729.GA10899@rfa.org> Message-ID: <200510092303.32734@goldspace.net> Eric, Thanks! Are there any quality differences in comparison with sndfile-xyz tools? Andrew ======= On Sunday 09 October 2005 22:47, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: ======= ... > //info > sndfile-info foo.wav > > //resample > sndfile-resample -to 48000 -c 0 foo.wav bar.wav > > //convert to 16 bit > sndfile-convert -pcm16 bar.wav baz.wav ecasound can also perform these operations. -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Systems Administrator Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 16:30:12 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 9 16:30:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter In-Reply-To: <1128831091.12415.56.camel@dhin> References: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> <20051008125446.GA15859@r51> <5bdc1c8b0510080619u4c7d7c3di6b1b3c69de654fcd@mail.gmail.com> <1128780908.12415.41.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510081532v2f8a7860r1eff3e17eca5e9f8@mail.gmail.com> <1128831091.12415.56.camel@dhin> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510091330m292a2831q7c59d66bbdc431a5@mail.gmail.com> On 10/8/05, Paul Davis wrote: > > Thanks Paul. It's looking like FreeSysle is possibly the app you were > > thinking of? I'm trying it out today. > > yes, that was the one. > So far I've been unable to get FreeCycle to build. It uses a library called Aubio which doesn't build for me. Until I get that worked out no go... On the other hand, I found that there is a command line program called soundstretch which seems to be really well suited for what I want to do. It's part of the soundtouch library and probably already on many people's systems. I'm having trouble with it but maybe someone else will figure it out. I've not got a lot of time this afternoon. soundstretch appearsto be able to detect BPM and then both shift BPM and pitch. If I can get it to work then I may be in good shape. http://sky.prohosting.com/oparviai/soundtouch/soundstretch.html NOTE: Listen to all the examples OTHER THAN the "Tempo reduced by -50%" first!! That one is terrible, but the others give a lot of good results, presuming that the mp3's aren't as good as working with real wave files. Cheers, Mark From smassy at sdf.lonestar.org Sun Oct 9 17:30:54 2005 From: smassy at sdf.lonestar.org (S. Massy) Date: Sun Oct 9 17:31:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Portable field recording set-up? In-Reply-To: <434918DE.6080100@woh.rr.com> References: <20051008204208.GA18631@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <1128805267.12415.51.camel@dhin> <20051008224840.GE8686@fliwatut.scifi> <434918DE.6080100@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20051009213054.GA15388@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Hi, Thanks for the suggestions, folks. They're all very nice and certainly would provide very high quality recordings. (Some, like the microtrack, made me drool.) The problem is that they're specialised and quite expensive. The idea, for this project to work, however, is to come up with a recording standard which can be met with relatively inexpensive, widely available components, so that the rig could be easily replicable, which is why I mentioned devices such as mp3 players/recorders and MDs in my original post. I'm trying to find the balance between affordability and ease of use, and sound quality. Any further ideas? Thanks, S.M. On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 09:19:26AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > You might also consider purchasing a CoreSound PDAudioCF card: > > http://www.core-sound.com/default.php > > It's a great card, I have one in a PCMCIA slot with a Flash adapter, > works fine. I've tested it with ecasound with excellent results. > > Best, > > dp > > > Frank Barknecht wrote: > > >Hallo, > >Paul Davis hat gesagt: // Paul Davis wrote: > > > > > > > >>On Sat, 2005-10-08 at 20:42 +0000, S. Massy wrote: > >> > >> > >>>For a project of mine, I would need a portable, affordable ($200-250) > >>>way to make quality stereo recordings of natural and/or urban > >>>environments. Here are the criteria I have defined so far: > >>>* sr should be at least 44.1khz > >>>* recording should be stereo > >>>* if compressed, prefer lossless compression, otherwise, good quality > >>> encoding: minimum 160kbps > >>>* Should be reasonably portable (i.e compact and battery-operated) and > >>> sturdy. > >>> > >>> > >>we just got an iAudio X5. its a disk-based system, not flash. rugged, > >>thought not "industrially" so, interacts perfectly with linux (USB mass > >>storage device, no special playlist s/w required). plays videos, WAV, > >>FLAC, ogg as well as the usual mp3/wma crowd. has line-in, though > >>through an "expander" connector. > >> > >> > > > >But this iAudio only records mp3, doesn't it? Which sucks for field > >recordings especially. > > > >(Expensive) alternatives might be these: > >http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MicroTrack2496-main.html > >http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html > >or go for a really small laptop. > > > >Ciao > > > > > > -- smassy@sdf.lonestar.org From ix at replic.net Sun Oct 9 18:13:37 2005 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Sun Oct 9 18:13:33 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Portable field recording set-up? Message-ID: <20051009221337.GC13128@replic.net> > 'm trying to find the balance between affordability and > ease of use, and sound quality. Any further ideas? ive heard some quite good field recordings made with consumer Archos and iAudio audioplayers, which can record in PCM or the very least 320kbps mp3..which is a suitable tradeoff..they were made with a small clip-on sony microphone, the kind thats just a 1/8" plug and the element on top of that. im sure other companies make them as well.. c.d.r From norv at longforest.com Sun Oct 9 22:13:55 2005 From: norv at longforest.com (norv) Date: Sun Oct 9 21:52:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Short movie with music Message-ID: <4349CE63.6090606@longforest.com> Thanks for the comments on the movie, I'm well chuffed! 1) This proves that Cinelerra can actually make a movie. My son and I have tried a number of times to use it and haven't figured out the first thing about it. 2) Groovy little sound track. How did you go about building the sound against the movie? Is it a single audio track output from Ardour, or is ti a bunch of pieces that are then laid down in Cinelerra against the video somehow? Hey Mark I will post a howto somewhere soon.. I export a stereo .wav from Ardour, try it against the rough cut of the movie, and go back to Ardour to change it if needs be. Can't run Ardour and Cinelerra in sync AFAIK. There's an app called xjadeo (x-jack-video...) that will run audio and video together but I haven't got that going on my 64 box yet. Cool work. I especially liked the sound of the slide guitar, sounded a lot like the pedal steel in King Sunny Ade's music. Thanks Dave, the slide seemed to fit into the rise and fall of bikes going up and down over things... and I love that KSA sound! More coming as time permits.. Thanks Cesare and Nigel for the encouragement and Ron, I'm glad you like the pix but it's much better with the sound - lol! Cheers Norv PS: Here's a summary of the forthcomin (hopefully!) howto SUMMARY 1. Shoot some movies on a digital still camera in movie mode (If you can get a video camera, then use that!) 2. Capture movies, ie. copy/move them from the camera to a hard drive 3. Convert the camera files to a format that the video editor (in this case Cinelerra) will understand 4. Load the converted files into the editor and do a rough assembly of the material 5. Make some music, for example starting with a Hydrogen drum track 6. Add the other instruments. At this stage, less is more 7. Rough mix the music and export a 48kHz stereo .wav file 8. Load the .wav file into Cinelerra and play film and music together 9. Fine tune picture and sound 10. Export the project as a Quicktime4Linux .mov file 11. Convert the .mov to preferred web-friendly format 12. Upload to web 13. Convert (320x240) .mov to PAL MPEG video and audio files 14. mplex MPEG video and audio streams into DVD-friendly MPEG-2 file 15. Create DVD menu images and sound 16. Assemble menu MPEGs 17. Create .xml file to organise DVD contents 18. Create DVD iso image with dvdauthor 19. Test DVD image with Xine 20. Burn DVD image to DVD with growisofs From extremecs at yahoo.com Sun Oct 9 23:35:59 2005 From: extremecs at yahoo.com (October) Date: Sun Oct 9 23:36:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] onboard midi/joystick controller? Message-ID: <20051010033559.83260.qmail@web52311.mail.yahoo.com> I had to do a temporary downgrade tonight to one of my kid's machines. I have one of those joystick-midi converters that worked well on my old SB Live! but now that I am running a Delta soundcard that is no option. Anyway, I tried hooking it up to the onboard "joystick/midi" socket on the motherboard (an older 440BX based Asus board) and don't see it register in jack. I'm running Demudi. Is there anything special I might try to get this to work correctly (until I get a midisport?) Thanks in advance! Jon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In a world without walls who needs gates or windows? --unknown __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From bengan at sunet.se Mon Oct 10 03:16:56 2005 From: bengan at sunet.se (Bengt =?iso-8859-1?B?R/ZyZOlu?=) Date: Mon Oct 10 03:17:04 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Portable field recording set-up? In-Reply-To: <20051009221337.GC13128@replic.net> References: <20051009221337.GC13128@replic.net> Message-ID: <20051010071656.GE9312@sunet.se> On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 10:13:37PM +0000, carmen wrote: > > 'm trying to find the balance between affordability and > > ease of use, and sound quality. Any further ideas? > > ive heard some quite good field recordings made with consumer Archos > and iAudio audioplayers, which can record in PCM or the very least > 320kbps mp3..which is a suitable tradeoff..they were made with a small > clip-on sony microphone, the kind thats just a 1/8" plug and the > element on top of that. im sure other companies make them as well.. Hi, I have a PMA430 Archos and I'm using it to make small field recordings. It is fairly good to use in the field but not as good as a small tape recorder. It takes about 10-20 seconds to be up and running for recording. And that is not the recording it self but the handling of the software, clicking on the screen and so fourth. I consider it not to be affordable for just that. But that is the PMA430, so other models might get you more value audio function per $. The PMA430 is much more than just audio. I bought it for about 6500 Swedish kronor. That is something like $850 or 700EUR. regards, - Bengan ----------------------------------------------------------- From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 03:24:20 2005 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Oct 10 03:24:23 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.2 released. Message-ID: Hi all, Smack 0.2 is now out. Smack is a drum synth, 100% sample free. It's built with LADSPA plugins and the Om modular synth. New in this release are Noise and resonate filter based metallic percussion, ring modulation based drums, velocity sensitivity, control ports for all drums and random other goodness. Get it at http://smack.berlios.de/ There are also some new sound demos on the site including a physical modeling based djembe. The gui is no longer included due to huge improvements with om_gtk, and lack of time for maintaining it. Please just use om_gtk or the emacs bindings. Cheers, Loki From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 04:11:16 2005 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Oct 10 04:11:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Smack 0.2 released. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/10/05, Loki Davison wrote: > Hi all, > Smack 0.2 is now out. Smack is a drum synth, 100% sample free. It's > built with LADSPA plugins and the Om modular synth. New in this > release are Noise and resonate filter based metallic percussion, ring > modulation based drums, velocity sensitivity, control ports for all > drums and random other goodness. Get it at http://smack.berlios.de/ > There are also some new sound demos on the site including a physical > modeling based djembe. The gui is no longer included due to huge > improvements with om_gtk, and lack of time for maintaining it. Please > just use om_gtk or the emacs bindings. > > Cheers, > Loki > oops... Forgot to mention, some drums do require omins cvs. If at first it doesn't work get that. A new release of omins should be out in this interglacial period. Loki From ardour at semiosix.com Mon Oct 10 05:05:56 2005 From: ardour at semiosix.com (John Anderson) Date: Mon Oct 10 05:06:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Book recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <1128525029.31001.120.camel@groovious> <1128527721.26818.248.camel@dhin> Message-ID: <1128935156.12703.1.camel@groovious> On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 09:35 -0400, Jason Bechtel wrote: > On 10/5/05, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 17:10 +0200, John Anderson wrote: > > > So I'm looking for good books on writing kernel drivers (2.4 and 2.6) > > > and interfacing with PCI hardware. > > > > there is only book to consider. "Writing Linux Device drivers" published > > by O'Reilly. one of the best technical books i have ever read. Author is > > Alessandro Rubini i think, but i tend to be bad with names. > > avoid it. He also specifically recommends "Linux Kernel Development" > by Robert Love, and "Understanding The Linux Kernel" by Bovet and > Cesati (third edition due in November). Thanks, everyone. This has been really useful. I've downloaded LDD3. bye John From clemens at ladisch.de Mon Oct 10 05:10:48 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon Oct 10 05:10:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] onboard midi/joystick controller? In-Reply-To: <20051010033559.83260.qmail@web52311.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: October wrote: > Anyway, I tried hooking it up to the onboard > "joystick/midi" socket on the motherboard (an older > 440BX based Asus board) and don't see it register in > jack. Use the snd-mpu401 driver. If you don't have ACPI, you have to set port address and interrupt to those value configures in the BIOS, e.g.: options snd-mpu401 port=0x330 irq=5 HTH Clemens From arnold.krille at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 05:28:38 2005 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Mon Oct 10 05:28:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Programming Tempo Changes in Hydrogen In-Reply-To: <20051008234401.GA3076@mouse.oberlin.edu> References: <200510030754.46156.david@haggett.demon.co.uk> <20051008234401.GA3076@mouse.oberlin.edu> Message-ID: <2def88b80510100228w47adecf0x@mail.gmail.com> On 10/9/05, Spencer Russell wrote: > I've never tried it personally, but you should be able to just > put the tempo change in Ardour, then sync it all up with Jack. I tried that, but it seems that hydrogen just gets the new information about the tempo and the current time in the song and than recalculates it position in bars:beats and jumps to the position -> ugly noises and hydrogen being out-of-sync is the result. I think currently you have to program your tempo-map two times: in ardour for the final mix and in muse/rosegarden to use this to drive the midi-sequencing of the drums. Than mix/export the drums and import them into the ardour-session... Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From extremecs at yahoo.com Mon Oct 10 10:11:40 2005 From: extremecs at yahoo.com (October) Date: Mon Oct 10 10:11:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] onboard midi/joystick controller? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051010141140.51542.qmail@web52309.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks! I'll give it a go and see what happens. Jon --- Clemens Ladisch wrote: > October wrote: > > Anyway, I tried hooking it up to the onboard > > "joystick/midi" socket on the motherboard (an > older > > 440BX based Asus board) and don't see it register > in > > jack. > > Use the snd-mpu401 driver. If you don't have ACPI, > you have to set > port address and interrupt to those value configures > in the BIOS, > e.g.: > > options snd-mpu401 port=0x330 irq=5 > > > HTH > Clemens > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In a world without walls who needs gates or windows? --unknown __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From rzewnickie at rfa.org Mon Oct 10 10:31:38 2005 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Mon Oct 10 10:31:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter In-Reply-To: <200510092303.32734@goldspace.net> References: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> <200510081716.47117@goldspace.net> <20051009184729.GA10899@rfa.org> <200510092303.32734@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <20051010143138.GB10975@rfa.org> On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 11:03:32PM +0400, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: > Eric, > > Thanks! > > Are there any quality differences in comparison with sndfile-xyz tools? If you use the resample-hq option ecasound uses libsamplerate, which I think is used by sndfile-resample since Erik de Castro Lopo is the author of both libsndfile and libsamplerate. I'm pretty sure ecasound uses libsndfile for most sound file handling, though I'm not 100% sure whether that includes sample width changes. Anyway, the syntax from man ecasound: Resample - access object of different sample rates Object type 'resample' can be used to resample audio object's audio data to match the sampling rate used in the active chainsetup. For example, ecasound -f:16,2,44100 -i resample,22050,foo.wav -o /dev/dsp, will resample file from 22.05kHz to 44.1kHz and write the result to the soundcard device. Child sampling rate can be replaced with keyword 'auto'. In this case ecasound will try to query the child object for its sampling rate. This works with files formats such as .wav which store meta information about the audio file format. To use 'auto' in the previous example, ecasound -f:16,2,44100 -i resample,auto,foo.wav -o /dev/dsp. If ecasound was compiled with support for libsamplerate, you can use 'resample-hq' to use the highest quality resampling algorithm available. To force ecasound to use the internal resampler, 'resampler-lq' (low-quality) can be used. > Andrew > ======= On Sunday 09 October 2005 22:47, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: ======= > ... > > //info > > sndfile-info foo.wav > > > > //resample > > sndfile-resample -to 48000 -c 0 foo.wav bar.wav > > > > //convert to 16 bit > > sndfile-convert -pcm16 bar.wav baz.wav > > ecasound can also perform these operations. -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Systems Administrator Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From a at gaydenko.com Mon Oct 10 10:42:34 2005 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Mon Oct 10 10:42:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample-rate/bit-depth wav converter In-Reply-To: <20051010143138.GB10975@rfa.org> References: <200510081220.37982@goldspace.net> <200510092303.32734@goldspace.net> <20051010143138.GB10975@rfa.org> Message-ID: <200510101842.34827@goldspace.net> Eric, thanks! I'll try to compare sndfile-xxx- and ecasound- reformatted files. Probably, results will be the same :-) Andrew ======= On Monday 10 October 2005 18:31, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: ======= On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 11:03:32PM +0400, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: > Eric, > > Thanks! > > Are there any quality differences in comparison with sndfile-xyz tools? If you use the resample-hq option ecasound uses libsamplerate, which I think is used by sndfile-resample since Erik de Castro Lopo is the author of both libsndfile and libsamplerate. I'm pretty sure ecasound uses libsndfile for most sound file handling, though I'm not 100% sure whether that includes sample width changes. Anyway, the syntax from man ecasound: Resample - access object of different sample rates Object type 'resample' can be used to resample audio object's audio data to match the sampling rate used in the active chainsetup. For example, ecasound -f:16,2,44100 -i resample,22050,foo.wav -o /dev/dsp, will resample file from 22.05kHz to 44.1kHz and write the result to the soundcard device. Child sampling rate can be replaced with keyword 'auto'. In this case ecasound will try to query the child object for its sampling rate. This works with files formats such as .wav which store meta information about the audio file format. To use 'auto' in the previous example, ecasound -f:16,2,44100 -i resample,auto,foo.wav -o /dev/dsp. If ecasound was compiled with support for libsamplerate, you can use 'resample-hq' to use the highest quality resampling algorithm available. To force ecasound to use the internal resampler, 'resampler-lq' (low-quality) can be used. From lconrad at laymusic.org Mon Oct 10 11:47:11 2005 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Mon Oct 10 11:47:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Portable field recording set-up? In-Reply-To: <20051008204208.GA18631@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> (S. Massy's message of "Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:42:08 +0000") References: <20051008204208.GA18631@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Message-ID: <87ll11jrwg.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "SM" == S Massy writes: SM> I heard that minidisc recorders do a very good job when used for field SM> recordings, and that many already have inputs for a stereo mic, but, SM> as far as I could tell, they interact very poorly with Linux, and they SM> use a proprietary compression format. How accurate is this? Has SM> anybody had a positive experience with a minidisc recorder and SM> Linux? I use mine with Linux. It's workable, and I don't think the quality is bad, but I keep drooling over something that I could just copy the files from instead of having to play into the analog input on my sound card. So far, I haven't found anything cheap enough for me. Let me know what you come up with. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From alban.peignier at free.fr Mon Oct 10 12:10:20 2005 From: alban.peignier at free.fr (Alban Peignier) Date: Mon Oct 10 12:10:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FreeCast 20051009 released Message-ID: <1128960620.17089.37.camel@localhost> Freecast is a peer-to-peer streaming system that makes it possible to stream Ogg audio or video to a large number of listeners from a DSL connection: http://www.freecast.org The major change of this new release is the *FreeCast Manager*: this new GUI allows you to start a FreeCast network by a single click. Every needed components (even a tiny HTTP server) are embedded into a single and graphical application. The website integrates now a part dedicated to the broadcasting with FreeCast: http://www.freecast.org/broadcast For more information about this release, see the whole changelog (http://download.freecast.org/README.html) -- Alban Peignier http://people.tryphon.org/~alban From pwlw at o2.pl Mon Oct 10 12:18:55 2005 From: pwlw at o2.pl (Pawel Wolniewicz) Date: Mon Oct 10 12:13:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Warsaw Electronic Festival -- Warsaw, Poland Message-ID: <1128961135.4738.2.camel@tornado> Hi all, This announcement is addressed mainly to Polish-speaking readers of LAU. I've posted it here to let you know about Linux audio users community in Poland. Warsaw Electronic Festival 2005 "Creativity in Motion" october 16. - november 5. 2005 Warsaw Electronic Festival [1] is an annual event for artists -- especially musicians -- exploring new media technologies. It takes place in Warsaw, Poland. Among tens (hundreds?) of lectures and workshops WEF 2005 will feature presentations of open source projects: - Plasma [2] -- remastered Linux distribution (Knoppix) containing audio software; prepared especially for musicians visiting WEF 2005; package developed in cooperation with Polish Linux & Music site [3], - EyesWeb [4] -- Open Source modular audio / video software. Time and locations of these events are listed below. All lectures & workshops will be given in Polish (Sorry). Excerpt from official WEF 2005 press note [5]: "The WEF is international festival which reveals music created with and under the influence of technology. A the Festival you can experience both electronic music and new media art. One of our goals is to show the context in which all these things are brought to life. This is why we also invite professors and experts who show you how they perceive the rapidly moving progress and new art. The WEF is an annual event and dates back to 2002. As always also this year it takes place in Warsaw." A few words about workshops focused on the open source software: "Plasma -- Alternative Operating System for Musicians" oct 16., 16:00 local time (part I); oct 23., 16:00 local time (part II) "Presentation and workshop of the multimedia Plasma operating system (Linux based) which contains a full set of solutions for musicians. Developed [...] at the initiative of WEF2005". "EyesWeb" nov 5., 12:00 local time "Workshop on the basics of the Open Source audio / video modular software." All lectures & workshops will be held in "Zacheta" National Gallery of Art -- pl. Malachowskiego 3, 00-916 Warsaw, Poland Useful links: [1] Warsaw Electronic Festival [in English] http://www.wef.pl/2005/?lang=en [2] Plasma -- distribution prepared for the WEF 2005 workshops [in Polish] http://linux-muzyka.ixion.pl/tekst.php?id=25078 [3] Linux, Sound & Music -- Polish site [in Polish] http://linux-muzyka.ixion.pl/ [4] EyesWeb -- The EyesWeb project [in English] http://www.eyesweb.org/ [5] Warsaw Electronic Festival 2005 -- Press Materials [in English] http://www.syntezatory.pl/gfx/download/WEF05presskit_en.zip Regards, Pawel Wolniewicz From philicorda at ntlworld.com Mon Oct 10 13:10:15 2005 From: philicorda at ntlworld.com (philicorda) Date: Mon Oct 10 12:49:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DSSI Gui problem. In-Reply-To: <200510101601.j9AG1Ess016648@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200510101601.j9AG1Ess016648@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1128964215.2960.17.camel@lounger.tydrwg.org> I can't seem to see the guis for DSSI instruments. If I start (for example) hexter with ghostess I get... [philicorda@lounger dssi]$ ghostess -debug -1 hexter.so ghostess: ghostess starting... ghostess: debug level now ffffffff ghostess warning: DSSI_PATH not set, defaulting to '/usr/local/lib/dssi:/usr/lib/dssi' ghostess: dlopen of '/usr/local/lib/dssi/hexter.so' failed: /usr/local/lib/dssi/hexter.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ghostess: 'hexter.so' found at '/usr/lib/dssi/hexter.so' ghostess: instance 0 on channel 0, plugin 0 is 'hexter/hexter/inst00' ghostess: host OSC URL is osc.udp://lounger.tydrwg.org:12990/ ghostess hexter/hexter/inst00: program 127 is MIDI bank 0 program 127, named ' <--> ' ghostess hexter/hexter/inst00: program 126 is MIDI bank 0 program 126, named ' <--> ' (Lots more midi stuff).... ghostess ready ghostess on_strip_ui_button_toggled: instance 0 button changed to on ghostess: checking hexter_gtk against hexter ghostess: trying to execute UI '/usr/lib/dssi/hexter/hexter_gtk', URL to host will be 'osc.udp://lounger.tydrwg.org:12990/dssi/hexter/hexter/inst00' hexter_gtk starting (pid 12065)... But I see no gui. Anyone know why? jack-dssi-host does the same thing. If I don't put the '.so' on the end of the instruments name, it is not found at all. I'm using Fedora Core 4 CCRMA. From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Mon Oct 10 08:35:06 2005 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Mon Oct 10 13:19:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Portable field recording set-up? In-Reply-To: <87ll11jrwg.fsf@laymusic.org> References: <20051008204208.GA18631@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <87ll11jrwg.fsf@laymusic.org> Message-ID: <1128947706.6161.1.camel@eviltwin> Neuros. Hook up a cheap battery operated mixer (like a Behringer) and record to 30-80 GB hard drive at 16 bit/48KHz. Cost for a 30GB unit is about $260US. On Mon, 2005-10-10 at 10:47, Laura Conrad wrote: > >>>>> "SM" == S Massy writes: > > SM> I heard that minidisc recorders do a very good job when used for field > SM> recordings, and that many already have inputs for a stereo mic, but, > SM> as far as I could tell, they interact very poorly with Linux, and they > SM> use a proprietary compression format. How accurate is this? Has > SM> anybody had a positive experience with a minidisc recorder and > SM> Linux? > > I use mine with Linux. It's workable, and I don't think the > quality is bad, but I keep drooling over something that I could just > copy the files from instead of having to play into the analog input > on my sound card. So far, I haven't found anything cheap enough for > me. Let me know what you come up with. -- Jan "Evil Twin" Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://www.thefuzzydice.com "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From S.W.Harris at ecs.soton.ac.uk Mon Oct 10 17:07:23 2005 From: S.W.Harris at ecs.soton.ac.uk (Steve Harris) Date: Mon Oct 10 17:07:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DSSI Gui problem. In-Reply-To: <1128964215.2960.17.camel@lounger.tydrwg.org> References: <200510101601.j9AG1Ess016648@roar.music.columbia.edu> <1128964215.2960.17.camel@lounger.tydrwg.org> Message-ID: <20051010210723.GB19268@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Do you have any IPV6 networking configured? (look from long addresses in ifconfig if that doesnt mean anything to you). There is a known bug where liblo tends to bind to IPV6 addresses in preference to v4 addresses. Another problem might be that lounger.tydrwg.org doesnt resolve, I cant get an address for it from home. - Steve On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 06:10:15PM +0100, philicorda wrote: > I can't seem to see the guis for DSSI instruments. > > If I start (for example) hexter with ghostess I get... > > [philicorda@lounger dssi]$ ghostess -debug -1 hexter.so > ghostess: ghostess starting... > ghostess: debug level now ffffffff > ghostess warning: DSSI_PATH not set, defaulting to > '/usr/local/lib/dssi:/usr/lib/dssi' > ghostess: dlopen of '/usr/local/lib/dssi/hexter.so' > failed: /usr/local/lib/dssi/hexter.so: cannot open shared object file: > No such file or directory > ghostess: 'hexter.so' found at '/usr/lib/dssi/hexter.so' > ghostess: instance 0 on channel 0, plugin 0 is 'hexter/hexter/inst00' > ghostess: host OSC URL is osc.udp://lounger.tydrwg.org:12990/ > ghostess hexter/hexter/inst00: program 127 is MIDI bank 0 program 127, > named ' <--> ' > ghostess hexter/hexter/inst00: program 126 is MIDI bank 0 program 126, > named ' <--> ' > (Lots more midi stuff).... > ghostess ready > ghostess on_strip_ui_button_toggled: instance 0 button changed to on > ghostess: checking hexter_gtk against hexter > ghostess: trying to execute UI '/usr/lib/dssi/hexter/hexter_gtk', URL to > host will be > 'osc.udp://lounger.tydrwg.org:12990/dssi/hexter/hexter/inst00' > hexter_gtk starting (pid 12065)... > > But I see no gui. Anyone know why? jack-dssi-host does the same thing. > If I don't put the '.so' on the end of the instruments name, it is not > found at all. > I'm using Fedora Core 4 CCRMA. > From musound at jps.net Mon Oct 10 17:41:09 2005 From: musound at jps.net (Sean Bolton) Date: Mon Oct 10 17:39:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DSSI Gui problem. In-Reply-To: <1128964215.2960.17.camel@lounger.tydrwg.org> References: <200510101601.j9AG1Ess016648@roar.music.columbia.edu> <1128964215.2960.17.camel@lounger.tydrwg.org> Message-ID: On Oct 10, 2005, at 10:10 AM, philicorda wrote: > I can't seem to see the guis for DSSI instruments. > > If I start (for example) hexter with ghostess I get... > > . . . > ghostess: host OSC URL is osc.udp://lounger.tydrwg.org:12990/ > . . . > ghostess: trying to execute UI '/usr/lib/dssi/hexter/hexter_gtk', URL > to > host will be > 'osc.udp://lounger.tydrwg.org:12990/dssi/hexter/hexter/inst00' > hexter_gtk starting (pid 12065)... > > But I see no gui. Anyone know why? jack-dssi-host does the same thing. > If I don't put the '.so' on the end of the instruments name, it is not > found at all. It looks like things are starting up okay. Do you have your hostname in /etc/hosts? If liblo can't resolve lounger.tydrwg.org, the GUI will never get to the point of displaying itself. Hope that helps, -Sean From musound at jps.net Mon Oct 10 17:49:01 2005 From: musound at jps.net (Sean Bolton) Date: Mon Oct 10 17:47:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] WhySynth DSSI softsynth In-Reply-To: <200510091921.58789.ce@christeck.de> References: <3f184cda08a8f2e91dc446295423b505@jps.net> <200510091921.58789.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <4460f00dae4efb2fb58adc6f5a5a68bc@jps.net> On Oct 9, 2005, at 10:21 AM, Christoph Eckert wrote: > * When [playing WhySynth] from a MIDI keyboard, there's an audible > delay > between releasing the key until the note gets cut off. Hmm, I haven't observed this on my end, except that it would be expected if your output envelope mode is AASRR or ASRRR, or even AAASR with a 'hold' shape on the last segment -- all of these would appear to be delays before the note cut off. > * Pedal hold gets recognized, but notes are only held until I release > the last note. This way I cannot hold a note via the pedal and tweak > parameters. Hmm, I can't reproduce this either -- sustain works fine from both vkeybd and my KX88 MIDI controller. I'm really curious if you would have the same trouble with Xsynth-DSSI or hexter, as their sustain is based on very similar, but not identical code, and are well tested. Something else you could try would be to edit src/whysynth.h and define Y_DEBUG to be YDB_NOTE, then recompile, watch stderr as you run it and see if the note on/off and sustain CCs are reaching the plugin in the correct sequence. > Anyway, a great piece of software. A great addition to ALSA Modular > Synth and ZynAddSubFX. Distinguished company indeed with which to be associated so. Thank you. -Sean From set at pobox.com Mon Oct 10 21:34:04 2005 From: set at pobox.com (Paul) Date: Mon Oct 10 21:34:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Short movie with music In-Reply-To: <200510081848.58017.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <4345A71C.5080305@longforest.com> <200510081848.58017.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20051011013404.GC7223@squish.home.loc> Nigel Henry , on Sat Oct 08, 2005 [06:48:57 PM] said: ... > the .avi codecs, so I put Mplayer on a Gentoo install on the other machine. > Great. I've got sound but no video, except a "Matrix" type thing on the > screen. No .avi codecs came with Mplayer, and I'm not sure how to find em on > Gentoo, so back to fixing the other machine. Real "Big problems in Little Hi; 'emerge gentoolkit' 'equerry u mplayer | more' That will show all the USE variables possible, and explain briefly what they do. Edit your /etc/make.conf USE line, or pass what you want to change when you emerge mplayer. e.g. 'USE="win32codecs" emerge mplayer' Paul set@pobox.com From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 21:40:16 2005 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Oct 10 21:40:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Smack 0.2 released. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On 10/10/05, Loki Davison wrote: > > Hi all, > > Smack 0.2 is now out. Smack is a drum synth, 100% sample free. It's > > built with LADSPA plugins and the Om modular synth. New in this > > release are Noise and resonate filter based metallic percussion, ring > > modulation based drums, velocity sensitivity, control ports for all > > drums and random other goodness. Get it at http://smack.berlios.de/ > > There are also some new sound demos on the site including a physical > > modeling based djembe. The gui is no longer included due to huge > > improvements with om_gtk, and lack of time for maintaining it. Please > > just use om_gtk or the emacs bindings. > > > > Cheers, > > Loki Well... i feel some what stupid... Thanks for testing it... bugger, really should have tested for that! Removed it from the Makefile.am but not configure ;-) The whole autotools deal isn't really needed now unless i get round to making it check that all the required ladspas are there. Anyway, new tarball is up, called 0.2.1. Give me a yell what you think. From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Mon Oct 10 17:36:08 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Mon Oct 10 22:54:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel 2.6.13 and layla In-Reply-To: <200510072315.59447.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> References: <200509260323.20419.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <20051007212255.GB10705@rfa.org> <200510072315.59447.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <200510102336.09876.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> El Vie 07 Oct 2005 23:15, Marcos Guglielmetti escribi?: > El Vie 07 Oct 2005 23:22, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki escribi?: > > hotplug handles the firmware loading. It used to be that you needed a > > separate firmware loader for most cards that needed firmware loaded. > > Now we can see how it works. We hope to have both laylas working this > weekend. > ? Hi ! The layla3g is working now. There is some special mixer for this soundcard? We used the alsa-firmware-1.0.9rc4.tar.bz2 ./configure;make;make install Now we can see firmware files under: /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware But into /lib/firmware there are no files at all. Then with modprobe snd-echo3g It just works, but we can't control any volume from any mixer. Under xmms the volume works fine. -------------- next part -------------- CPU0 0: 829631 XT-PIC [.........N/ 0] timer 1: 662 XT-PIC [........../ 0] i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC [.........N/ 0] cascade 5: 255486 XT-PIC [........../ 0] uhci_hcd:usb1, ohci1394, Layla24 7: 60 XT-PIC [........../ 0] parport0 8: 1 XT-PIC [........../ 0] rtc 9: 271226 XT-PIC [........../ 0] acpi, uhci_hcd:usb2, Echo3G 10: 3407 XT-PIC [........../ 0] ohci_hcd:usb3, ohci_hcd:usb4, libata 12: 299521 XT-PIC [........../ 1] i8042 14: 28680 XT-PIC [........../ 0] ide0 15: 13040 XT-PIC [........../ 0] ide1 NMI: 0 ERR: 0 _________________________________________ CPUINFO processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 15 model : 5 model name : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 244 stepping : 10 cpu MHz : 1793.138 cache size : 1024 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow bogomips : 3591.37 _________________________________________ snd-page-alloc pages : 1081344 bytes (264 pages per 4kB) _________________________________________ MEMINFO _________________________________________ ______Placas de sonido reconocidas__________ ___________por el sistema__________________ _________________________________________ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [Layla3G ]: Echoaudio Echo3GLayla3G - Layla3G Layla3G rev.0 (DSP56361) at 0xff200000 irq 9 1 [Layla24 ]: Echoaudio Layla2Layla24 - Layla24 Layla24 rev.0 (DSP56361) at 0xff300000 irq 5 _________________________________________ HWSETUP --- class: OTHER bus: PCI device: (null) driver: snd-layla24 desc: Unknown vendor|Generic snd-layla24 device --- class: OTHER bus: PCI device: (null) driver: snd-echo3g desc: Unknown vendor|Generic snd-echo3g device --- class: OTHER bus: PCI device: (null) driver: sata_sil desc: Unknown vendor|Generic sata_sil device --- class: OTHER bus: PCI device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]|K8 NorthBridge --- class: OTHER bus: PCI device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]|K8 NorthBridge --- class: OTHER bus: PCI device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]|K8 NorthBridge --- class: OTHER bus: PCI device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]|K8 NorthBridge --- class: OTHER bus: PCI device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]|K8 NorthBridge --- class: OTHER bus: PCI device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]|K8 NorthBridge --- class: OTHER bus: PCI device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]|K8 NorthBridge --- class: OTHER bus: PCI device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]|K8 NorthBridge --- class: OTHER bus: PCI device: (null) driver: hw_random desc: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]|AMD-8111 ACPI --- class: OTHER bus: PCI device: (null) driver: i2c-amd8111 desc: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]|AMD-8111 SMBus 2.0 --- class: OTHER bus: PCI device: (null) driver: amd74xx desc: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]|AMD-8111 IDE --- class: OTHER bus: PCI device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]|AMD-8111 LPC --- class: OTHER bus: PCI device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]|AMD-8111 PCI --- class: OTHER bus: PCI device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]|AMD-8151 AGP Bridge --- class: OTHER bus: USB device: (null) driver: unknown desc: AGFA-Gevaert NV SnapScan 1212U (?) --- class: OTHER bus: PCI device: (null) driver: amd64-agp desc: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]|AMD-8151 System Controller --- class: OTHER bus: USB device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Linux 2.6.13-1-multimedia-386 ohci_hcd Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-8111 USB --- class: OTHER bus: USB device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Linux 2.6.13-1-multimedia-386 ohci_hcd Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-8111 USB (#2) --- class: OTHER bus: USB device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Linux 2.6.13-1-multimedia-386 uhci_hcd VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller --- class: OTHER bus: USB device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Linux 2.6.13-1-multimedia-386 uhci_hcd VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (#2) --- class: OTHER bus: USB device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Midiman Midisport 2x2 --- class: OTHER bus: USB device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Syncrosoft ProtectExecuter --- class: OTHER bus: USB device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Syncrosoft ProtectExecuter --- class: OTHER bus: USB device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Syncrosoft Protected Executer --- class: OTHER bus: USB device: (null) driver: unknown desc: USB2.0 Hub --- class: OTHER bus: USB device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Winbond Electronics Corp. 4-Port Hub --- class: OTHER bus: USB device: (null) driver: unknown desc: unknown --- class: MOUSE bus: PSAUX device: psaux driver: msintellips/2 desc: Generic PS/2 Wheel Mouse write config(/etc/sysconfig/mouse) update config(/etc/sysconfig/knoppix) symlink(/dev/psaux,/dev/mouse) --- class: CDROM bus: IDE device: hdc driver: ignore desc: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-105 symlink(/dev/hdc,/dev/cdrom) --- class: CDROM bus: IDE device: hdd driver: ignore desc: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B symlink(/dev/hdd,/dev/cdrom1) --- class: VIDEO bus: PCI device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Matrox|unknown device 102b:0528 write config(/etc/sysconfig/xserver) update config(/etc/sysconfig/knoppix) --- class: FLOPPY bus: UNKNOWN device: fd0 driver: unknown desc: 3.5" 1.44MB floppy drive write config(/etc/sysconfig/floppy) update config(/etc/sysconfig/knoppix) --- class: HD bus: USB device: (null) driver: usb-storage desc: Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 IDE Adapter --- class: HD bus: IDE device: hda driver: ignore desc: ST380011A --- class: HD bus: IDE device: hdb driver: ignore desc: Maxtor 6L200P0 --- class: PRINTER bus: USB device: (null) driver: unknown desc: Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 840c --- class: USB bus: PCI device: (null) driver: ehci-hcd desc: VIA Technologies|USB 2.0 --- class: USB bus: PCI device: (null) driver: usb-uhci desc: VIA Technologies|USB --- class: USB bus: PCI device: (null) driver: usb-uhci desc: VIA Technologies|USB --- class: USB bus: PCI device: (null) driver: usb-ohci desc: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]|AMD-8111 USB --- class: USB bus: PCI device: (null) driver: usb-ohci desc: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]|AMD-8111 USB --- class: UNKNOWN bus: PCI device: (null) driver: ohci1394 desc: VIA Technologies|IEEE 1394 Host Controller _________________________________________ ESPACIO_USADO_LIBRE S.ficheros Tama?o Usado Disp Uso% Montado en /dev/hdb5 30G 2,0G 28G 7% / tmpfs 443M 0 443M 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda1 38G 29G 9,0G 76% /mnt/hda1 /dev/hda5 38G 33G 4,9G 87% /mnt/hda5 /dev/sda1 112G 78G 34G 70% /mnt/sda1 /dev/sdb1 150G 91G 59G 61% /mnt/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 35G 21G 14G 62% /mnt/sdc1 /dev/sdc2 115G 110G 4,9G 96% /mnt/sdc2 _________________________________________ Modulos ALSA cargados snd_layla24 31780 0 snd_seq_dummy 3844 0 snd_seq_oss 33664 0 snd_seq_midi 8736 0 snd_seq_midi_event 7552 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi snd_seq 49936 6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_echo3g 32804 6 snd_rawmidi 24608 3 snd_layla24,snd_seq_midi,snd_echo3g snd_seq_device 8460 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi snd_pcm_oss 50976 0 snd_mixer_oss 17280 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 86660 5 snd_layla24,snd_echo3g,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 24068 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd 52068 21 snd_layla24,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_echo3g,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 9952 1 snd snd_page_alloc 9476 3 snd_layla24,snd_echo3g,snd_pcm firmware_class 10240 3 snd_layla24,snd_echo3g,pcmcia _________________________________________ Modulos OSS cargados soundcore 9952 1 snd _________________________________________ Linux box 2.6.13-1-multimedia-386 #1 Sun Sep 11 17:26:59 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Mon Oct 10 19:39:22 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Tue Oct 11 00:50:31 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] WhySynth DSSI softsynth (.deb) In-Reply-To: <3f184cda08a8f2e91dc446295423b505@jps.net> References: <3f184cda08a8f2e91dc446295423b505@jps.net> Message-ID: <200510110139.23554.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> El Jue 06 Oct 2005 01:06, Sean Bolton escribi?: > Introducing WhySynth, a DSSI softsynth plugin. > Wonderful Sean! I like it because its hundreds of patchs Screenshot: http://www.musix.org.ar/img/tn-whysynth-DSSI-Musix.png Deb package: http://www.musix.distrux.net/deb/whysynth-20051005_20051005-1_i386.deb It will be under Musix GNU+Linux 0.30 Marcos Guglielmetti ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From m.hatzold at web.de Tue Oct 11 07:30:38 2005 From: m.hatzold at web.de (mh) Date: Tue Oct 11 07:30:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] software playing in swing rhythm Message-ID: <434BA25E.7040607@web.de> Hi, I am new to this list, but absolutly not new to midi. I have a demundi installation on my computer and I like to make some arrangements for choirs. With windows there are two programms which can play midis in swing rhythm (as far as I know): Finale ( $ ) and anvilstudio (free/shareware). I used the later, but unfortunately itwas/is buggy and I lost often files after hours of work :-(. On the other hand it was the software which without its bugs would fullfill my needs quite good. So now I am with linux and looking around ( I began nearly one year ago ! ) for software fullfilling my needs. And there are two diffrent problems which havew to be resolved. 1) playing in swing rhythm while composing without the need to note swing 2) a sofisticated midi player for exercises and rehearsal To 1) What software does the trick now? I have heard that rosegarden4 (newest cvs?) has some swing support. If so, does someone know how it is used, what it does? Whats about brahms or muse_score? As there are no debian packages out there and as I have never compiled a single package I would like to know whether or not one of these programms would fullfill my needs? Which other software can you recommand? To 2) There are many midi players out there which do more or less all the same. Having one of them, you can throw away the rest. But there seems to be no application which really deals with the possibilities of midis for rehearsal purposes. And sequenzers will never be focused on playing. Therefore I am looking for a project in development which aims to a player only application, but a soffisticated one? I have my ideas quite clear and I know how much one could learn with an application like the one proposed and searched by me. Should I better ask in the developement section? Greetings from Germany michaa From philicorda at ntlworld.com Tue Oct 11 08:36:20 2005 From: philicorda at ntlworld.com (philicorda) Date: Tue Oct 11 08:10:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DSSI Gui problem. In-Reply-To: <200510110258.j9B2w3ss031586@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200510110258.j9B2w3ss031586@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1129034180.3028.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> > From: Sean Bolton > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] DSSI Gui problem. > > > But I see no gui. Anyone know why? jack-dssi-host does the same thing. > > If I don't put the '.so' on the end of the instruments name, it is not > > found at all. > > It looks like things are starting up okay. Do you have your hostname > in /etc/hosts? If liblo can't resolve lounger.tydrwg.org, the GUI will > never get to the point of displaying itself. > > Hope that helps, Thanks for the replies. Yes, that was exactly the problem. I put 127.0.0.1 lounger.tydrwg.org into /etc/hosts and it all works perfectly. Now to spend some time scaring the cat with my Rick Wakemen impressions on Whysynth. From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue Oct 11 09:15:33 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue Oct 11 10:31:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Short movie with music In-Reply-To: <20051011013404.GC7223@squish.home.loc> References: <4345A71C.5080305@longforest.com> <200510081848.58017.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20051011013404.GC7223@squish.home.loc> Message-ID: <200510111315.33555.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Tuesday 11 October 2005 01:34, Paul wrote: > Nigel Henry , on Sat Oct 08, 2005 [06:48:57 PM] said: > ... > > > the .avi codecs, so I put Mplayer on a Gentoo install on the other > > machine. Great. I've got sound but no video, except a "Matrix" type thing > > on the screen. No .avi codecs came with Mplayer, and I'm not sure how to > > find em on Gentoo, so back to fixing the other machine. Real "Big > > problems in Little > > Hi; > > 'emerge gentoolkit' > 'equerry u mplayer | more' > > That will show all the USE variables possible, and explain > briefly what they do. Edit your /etc/make.conf USE line, or pass > what you want to change when you emerge mplayer. > > e.g. 'USE="win32codecs" emerge mplayer' > > Paul > set@pobox.com Hi Paul. Thanks for the reply. I had subsequently got Mplayer fixed on Gentoo, but didn't post back as the original post was about Norv's movie. It turned out that I was so impatiant to watch the movie, that I didn't have the correct video driver selected. gl X11 (OpenGL) & the gl2 multiple textures version both work, but at the time I thought it was a codecs problem. Not knowing where to look, to find out what packages connected with Mplayer were available, you know. Something like synaptic. I gave up and fixed the FC1 hardware problem so as to watch the movie on that. Any pointers on where I can find an available packages list on Gentoo? I still can't play the movie at full screen on the Gentoo machine, even though it's a faster machine than the one with FC1 on it. The video becomes stuttery and the sound becomes broken up, but at about half screen size it's ok. Mplayer seems quite complex, and had only used it for playing DVD's until Norv's movie, so I've obviously got to learn a lot more about it. Nigel. From a at gaydenko.com Tue Oct 11 16:51:20 2005 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Tue Oct 11 16:51:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gwhere for FLAC Message-ID: <200510120051.20729@goldspace.net> Hi! The aim is very simple: I have plenty of (tagged) FLAC files and would like to archive them on CDs/DVDs. I have googled for some kind of "removable media catalog manager" and have found the gwhere (www.gwhere.org). It's nice. Now I'm looking for something like "gwhere with FLAC support". I mean a capability to scan-disc/seacrh-catalog using FLAC tags too. Does anybody know something useful for this aim? Thanks in advance! Andrew From vvucic at EUnet.yu Tue Oct 11 17:57:41 2005 From: vvucic at EUnet.yu (Vedran Vucic) Date: Tue Oct 11 17:57:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] free audio hardware Message-ID: <1129067861.434c355573fc8@webmail.eunet.yu> Dear colleagues, A team of people were working on concept and design of free/open audio hardware that may be redesigned freely by those who want to. We wrote our article about that effort. You can find article on teh following link: http://www.gnucentar.org.yu/AudioBulldog-f.pdf Please feel free to send your comments and suggestions. With best wishes, Vedran Vucic From plutek at infinity.net Tue Oct 11 21:52:49 2005 From: plutek at infinity.net (Peter Lutek) Date: Tue Oct 11 21:48:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound Message-ID: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> greetings! does anyone know of a linux program which generates audio from graphic file input? i.e. perhaps something like sound-hole (http://proletsoft.freeservers.com/mmb/soundhole.html) thanks! .pltk. From ix at replic.net Tue Oct 11 22:31:21 2005 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Tue Oct 11 22:31:33 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> References: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> Message-ID: <20051012022109.GA16805@replic.net> On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 09:52:49PM -0400, Peter Lutek wrote: > greetings! > > does anyone know of a linux program which generates audio from graphic > file input? pure-data would be good for this, using one of the graphics environments like GEM, Gridflow, PDP or Tk.... > i.e. perhaps something like sound-hole > (http://proletsoft.freeservers.com/mmb/soundhole.html) > > thanks! > > .pltk. From pjfjacks at swbell.net Wed Oct 12 00:33:21 2005 From: pjfjacks at swbell.net (pjfjacks) Date: Wed Oct 12 00:33:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> References: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> Message-ID: <434C9211.60705@swbell.net> I think that KeyKit will be able to generate MIDI from graphics. See : http://nosuchmedia.com/tjt/index.html Phil J. -------------- Peter Lutek wrote: > greetings! > > does anyone know of a linux program which generates audio from graphic > file input? > i.e. perhaps something like sound-hole > (http://proletsoft.freeservers.com/mmb/soundhole.html) > > thanks! > > .pltk. > From rf at flavor8.com Wed Oct 12 00:38:10 2005 From: rf at flavor8.com (reuben) Date: Wed Oct 12 00:37:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sub $200 sound card recommendations Message-ID: <434C9332.6010304@flavor8.com> Hello, I'm hoping to spend no more than $200 to get a sound card that'll do everything I need from it. It will function as the center of the sound system in my art gallery; I'd like to connect it to a mixer via RCA. 2 output channels + headphone monitor would be ideal, although I could live with just two of the three. I do not need digital, and I do not need surround, although neither would hurt. I do like the idea of an external interface but that is not necessary. I'm running Ubuntu 5.4, 2.6 kernel, etc etc. I don't really have a lot of time to spend futzing with compiling & recompiling drivers; I'd like something that is easily (& well) supported by ALSA or some other alternative. I'd read a lot of good things about the M-Audio cards -- which one if so? Or would you spring for one of the SB Audigies? Or other? Thanks Reuben From extremecs at yahoo.com Wed Oct 12 01:20:24 2005 From: extremecs at yahoo.com (October) Date: Wed Oct 12 01:20:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sub $200 sound card recommendations In-Reply-To: <434C9332.6010304@flavor8.com> Message-ID: <20051012052024.67628.qmail@web52312.mail.yahoo.com> I recently upgraded myself to an M-Audio Delta 44 and positively love it. It includes a breakout box with 4in/4out and runs beautifully under debian (easy to configure with a recent alsa). I use it in my basement studio and feed several sound inputs through a Yamaha MG 10/2 mixer ($100 new, if you shop around) and it's a superb combo. Only thing missing is MIDI but you don't sound like you it anyway. You can usually pick up a Delta on ebay for under $100. Best, Jon Hoskins --- reuben wrote: > Hello, > > I'm hoping to spend no more than $200 to get a sound > card that'll do > everything I need from it. It will function as the > center of the sound > system in my art gallery; I'd like to connect it to > a mixer via RCA. 2 > output channels + headphone monitor would be ideal, > although I could > live with just two of the three. I do not need > digital, and I do not > need surround, although neither would hurt. I do > like the idea of an > external interface but that is not necessary. > > I'm running Ubuntu 5.4, 2.6 kernel, etc etc. I don't > really have a lot > of time to spend futzing with compiling & > recompiling drivers; I'd like > something that is easily (& well) supported by ALSA > or some other > alternative. > > I'd read a lot of good things about the M-Audio > cards -- which one if > so? Or would you spring for one of the SB Audigies? > Or other? > > Thanks > Reuben > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In a world without walls who needs gates or windows? --unknown __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk Wed Oct 12 09:41:04 2005 From: errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk (Martin Habets) Date: Wed Oct 12 09:41:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sub $200 sound card recommendations In-Reply-To: <434C9332.6010304@flavor8.com> References: <434C9332.6010304@flavor8.com> Message-ID: <20051012134104.GA21278@palantir8> I just got an Edirol UA-25. It does what you require, for about the right price. It only does little endian formats, and I'm currently trying to get jack working properly on a (big endian) mac. -- Martin From ce at christeck.de Wed Oct 12 09:47:16 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Wed Oct 12 09:41:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> References: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> Message-ID: <200510121547.16079.ce@christeck.de> Hi, > does anyone know of a linux program which generates audio from > graphic file input? > i.e. perhaps something like sound-hole > (http://proletsoft.freeservers.com/mmb/soundhole.html) perhaps J?rgen Reuter's SoundPaint - Painting Music is for you. See the papers of his talk at LAC 2005 here: http://lac.zkm.de/2005/proceedings.shtml Best regards ce From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 09:58:22 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Oct 12 09:58:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sub $200 sound card recommendations In-Reply-To: <20051012134104.GA21278@palantir8> References: <434C9332.6010304@flavor8.com> <20051012134104.GA21278@palantir8> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510120658t38b0f6d2jb854b82f1aeb4b7b@mail.gmail.com> Where did you find this for under $200? I've been looking around but only got to $215. Thanks, Mark On 10/12/05, Martin Habets wrote: > I just got an Edirol UA-25. It does what you require, for about the > right price. It only does little endian formats, and I'm currently trying > to get jack working properly on a (big endian) mac. > > -- > Martin > From cesare at poeticstudios.com Wed Oct 12 10:22:52 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare) Date: Wed Oct 12 10:23:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <200510121547.16079.ce@christeck.de> References: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> <200510121547.16079.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <434D1C3C.7030505@poeticstudios.com> Christoph Eckert wrote: >Hi, > > > > >>does anyone know of a linux program which generates audio from >>graphic file input? >>i.e. perhaps something like sound-hole >>(http://proletsoft.freeservers.com/mmb/soundhole.html) >> >> > >perhaps J?rgen Reuter's SoundPaint - Painting Music is for you. See the >papers of his talk at LAC 2005 here: > >http://lac.zkm.de/2005/proceedings.shtml > > >Best regards > > > ce > > This goes further! I can generate music from a paper? pdf->sound? :-) Just a joke. No pun intended. c. www.cesaremarilungo.com From plutek at infinity.net Wed Oct 12 10:29:51 2005 From: plutek at infinity.net (Peter Lutek) Date: Wed Oct 12 10:25:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <200510121547.16079.ce@christeck.de> References: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> <200510121547.16079.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <434D1DDF.9030701@infinity.net> Christoph Eckert wrote: >>does anyone know of a linux program which generates audio from >>graphic file input? >>i.e. perhaps something like sound-hole >>(http://proletsoft.freeservers.com/mmb/soundhole.html) >> >> > >perhaps J?rgen Reuter's SoundPaint - Painting Music is for you. See the >papers of his talk at LAC 2005 here: > >http://lac.zkm.de/2005/proceedings.shtml > > thanks, christoph.... that's exactly the sort of thing i'm looking for. now we'll see how it compiles on my FC3 planet-CCRMA machine. -p From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Wed Oct 12 11:07:11 2005 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Wed Oct 12 11:06:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <434D1C3C.7030505@poeticstudios.com> References: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> <200510121547.16079.ce@christeck.de> <434D1C3C.7030505@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <434D269F.40709@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! > This goes further! I can generate music from a paper? pdf->sound? :-) of course: *.pdf > /dev/dsp ;) LG Georg -- =%)!:?"?* http://grh.mur.at From errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk Wed Oct 12 11:38:45 2005 From: errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk (Martin Habets) Date: Wed Oct 12 11:39:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sub $200 sound card recommendations In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510120658t38b0f6d2jb854b82f1aeb4b7b@mail.gmail.com> References: <434C9332.6010304@flavor8.com> <20051012134104.GA21278@palantir8> <5bdc1c8b0510120658t38b0f6d2jb854b82f1aeb4b7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051012153845.GA21622@palantir8> It was 145 UK pounds. Maybe the dollar is sliding faster than I thought, but it's still in that ballpark. (go white sox! :) The UA-25 uses S24_3LE. See the link for a jack patch that kindof swaps the bytes, but it leaves byte 4 empty. Hence samples loose their sign plus more. Shouldn't the jack buffer convert the samples to a full 32 bit value? How are applications suposed to know how many bits are valid in the jack_port_buffer? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1289682&group_id=39687&atid=425939 Martin On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 06:58:22AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > Where did you find this for under $200? I've been looking around but > only got to $215. > > Thanks, > Mark > > On 10/12/05, Martin Habets wrote: > > I just got an Edirol UA-25. It does what you require, for about the > > right price. It only does little endian formats, and I'm currently trying > > to get jack working properly on a (big endian) mac. > > > > -- > > Martin From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Wed Oct 12 10:42:13 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Oct 12 11:57:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <434D269F.40709@student.kug.ac.at> References: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> <434D1C3C.7030505@poeticstudios.com> <434D269F.40709@student.kug.ac.at> Message-ID: <200510121442.13818.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 12 October 2005 15:07, Georg Holzmann wrote: > Hallo! > > > This goes further! I can generate music from a paper? pdf->sound? :-) > > of course: > > *.pdf > /dev/dsp > > ;) > > LG > Georg Hi Georg. Does that really work, or are we going into the realms of sheer fantasy (Twilight zone) . Nigel. aka mekon, farpoint, and many other sci-fi characters and places. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Oct 12 12:14:57 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Oct 12 12:15:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sub $200 sound card recommendations In-Reply-To: <20051012052024.67628.qmail@web52312.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051012052024.67628.qmail@web52312.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1129133698.10599.7.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 22:20 -0700, October wrote: > I recently upgraded myself to an M-Audio Delta 44 and > positively love it. Does it have hardware mixing? Lee From mista.tapas at gmx.net Wed Oct 12 12:20:23 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Wed Oct 12 12:20:31 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <200510121442.13818.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> <434D1C3C.7030505@poeticstudios.com> <434D269F.40709@student.kug.ac.at> <200510121442.13818.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20051012182023.7ee49b54@mango.fruits.de> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:42:13 +0000 Nigel Henry wrote: > Hi Georg. Does that really work, or are we going into the realms of sheer > fantasy (Twilight zone) . Nigel. aka mekon, farpoint, and many other sci-fi > characters and places. > well, it works only if you either a] have OSS drivers installed or b] have the ALSA OSS compat. module loaded.. Nonetheless, here's an alsa version: cat foo.pdf | aplay ;) Have fun, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 12:21:02 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Oct 12 12:21:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sub $200 sound card recommendations In-Reply-To: <20051012153845.GA21622@palantir8> References: <434C9332.6010304@flavor8.com> <20051012134104.GA21278@palantir8> <5bdc1c8b0510120658t38b0f6d2jb854b82f1aeb4b7b@mail.gmail.com> <20051012153845.GA21622@palantir8> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510120921i77c93ac3h6523fc803d4dc86a@mail.gmail.com> On 10/12/05, Martin Habets wrote: > It was 145 UK pounds. Maybe the dollar is sliding faster than I thought, > but it's still in that ballpark. (go white sox! :) Yeah, close. Since you'r ein the UK (I didn't look at the email address close enough) we're not in the same marketplace anyway. I'm considering this unit for use mostly with a Mac Mini but possibly also with Linux once in awhile. Comments? > > The UA-25 uses S24_3LE. See the link for a jack patch that kindof swaps > the bytes, but it leaves byte 4 empty. Hence samples loose their sign plus > more. > Shouldn't the jack buffer convert the samples to a full 32 bit value? > How are applications suposed to know how many bits are valid in the > jack_port_buffer? > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1289682&group_id=39687&atid=425939 Are you saying that patch is not applied or doesn't work for you? Cheers, Mark > > Martin > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 06:58:22AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Where did you find this for under $200? I've been looking around but > > only got to $215. > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > On 10/12/05, Martin Habets wrote: > > > I just got an Edirol UA-25. It does what you require, for about the > > > right price. It only does little endian formats, and I'm currently trying > > > to get jack working properly on a (big endian) mac. > > > > > > -- > > > Martin > From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Wed Oct 12 12:23:55 2005 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Wed Oct 12 12:23:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <200510121442.13818.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> <434D1C3C.7030505@poeticstudios.com> <434D269F.40709@student.kug.ac.at> <200510121442.13818.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <434D389B.9000604@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! > Hi Georg. Does that really work, or are we going into the realms of sheer > fantasy (Twilight zone) . Nigel. aka mekon, farpoint, and many other sci-fi > characters and places. Don't know all that sci-fi stuff ;) , but of course it "works" - just try and hear if you like it ... LG Georg From dave at pawfal.org Wed Oct 12 12:46:50 2005 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Wed Oct 12 12:46:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <434D389B.9000604@student.kug.ac.at> References: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> <434D1C3C.7030505@poeticstudios.com> <434D269F.40709@student.kug.ac.at> <200510121442.13818.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <434D389B.9000604@student.kug.ac.at> Message-ID: <54773.193.203.82.226.1129135610.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> > Hallo! > >> Hi Georg. Does that really work, or are we going into the realms of >> sheer >> fantasy (Twilight zone) . Nigel. aka mekon, farpoint, and many other >> sci-fi >> characters and places. > > Don't know all that sci-fi stuff ;) , but of course it "works" - just > try and hear if you like it ... a friend of mine used to occasionally cat his kernel to /dev/dsp during live performances. dave From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Oct 12 12:57:03 2005 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Oct 12 12:57:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sub $200 sound card recommendations In-Reply-To: <1129133698.10599.7.camel@mindpipe> References: <20051012052024.67628.qmail@web52312.mail.yahoo.com> <1129133698.10599.7.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <35512.69.112.0.48.1129136223.squirrel@www.slinkp.com> Lee Revell said: > On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 22:20 -0700, October wrote: >> I recently upgraded myself to an M-Audio Delta 44 and >> positively love it. > > Does it have hardware mixing? Depends what you mean. Feeding multiple streams from multiple apps simultaneously to one hardware output? No, you'd need jack or one of the desktop sound servers for that. Hardware monitoring, i.e. blending any of the inputs and/or outputs to a given hardware output? Yes, you can use envy24control to control it. Works very well, although I'm not especially fond of the envy24control UI. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Wed Oct 12 12:58:47 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare) Date: Wed Oct 12 12:59:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <20051012182023.7ee49b54@mango.fruits.de> References: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> <434D1C3C.7030505@poeticstudios.com> <434D269F.40709@student.kug.ac.at> <200510121442.13818.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20051012182023.7ee49b54@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <434D40C7.5040608@poeticstudios.com> Florian Schmidt wrote: >On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:42:13 +0000 >Nigel Henry wrote: > > > >>Hi Georg. Does that really work, or are we going into the realms of sheer >>fantasy (Twilight zone) . Nigel. aka mekon, farpoint, and many other sci-fi >>characters and places. >> >> >> > >well, it works only if you either > >a] have OSS drivers installed or > >b] have the ALSA OSS compat. module loaded.. > >Nonetheless, here's an alsa version: > >cat foo.pdf | aplay > >;) > >Have fun, >Flo > > > It's annoying that you can't make a joke with linux users. They've always an answer to show you that what you're joking about is not that ridicolous (rather it is indeed possible). But Peter wanted to generate sound from an image. So my question is: how can he use this software to accomplish this task if there's just the paper, and not yet the software? Wait a minute! I've got it: you must put the image in the pdf document. But where in the process should you use the pdf of the SoundPaint author? :-) c. From lestercolza at yahoo.fr Wed Oct 12 13:02:28 2005 From: lestercolza at yahoo.fr (olivier) Date: Wed Oct 12 13:02:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <200510121613.j9CGCnst013265@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20051012170229.9739.qmail@web26903.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Hi Georg. Does that really work, or are we going > into the realms of sheer > fantasy (Twilight zone) . Nigel. aka mekon, > farpoint, and many other sci-fi > characters and places. > I've just trying it with my kernel : cat /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.13.2first > /dev/dsp it's a little bit noisy .... but very interesting ;-)) ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger T?l?chargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Oct 12 13:06:59 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Oct 12 13:05:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sub $200 sound card recommendations In-Reply-To: <20051012153845.GA21622@palantir8> References: <434C9332.6010304@flavor8.com> <20051012134104.GA21278@palantir8> <5bdc1c8b0510120658t38b0f6d2jb854b82f1aeb4b7b@mail.gmail.com> <20051012153845.GA21622@palantir8> Message-ID: <1129136819.12415.133.camel@dhin> On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 16:38 +0100, Martin Habets wrote: > It was 145 UK pounds. Maybe the dollar is sliding faster than I thought, > but it's still in that ballpark. (go white sox! :) > > The UA-25 uses S24_3LE. See the link for a jack patch that kindof swaps > the bytes, but it leaves byte 4 empty. Hence samples loose their sign plus > more. > Shouldn't the jack buffer convert the samples to a full 32 bit value? > How are applications suposed to know how many bits are valid in the > jack_port_buffer? that is a meaningless question. all audio within the JACK graph is 32 bit float audio. there is no access to h/w-native data formats from within the graph: only the backend has access to them, and that is where the patch takes effect. if the patch does not work correctly, we need to know (as does its author). --p From plutek at infinity.net Wed Oct 12 13:16:14 2005 From: plutek at infinity.net (Peter Lutek) Date: Wed Oct 12 13:12:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <434D40C7.5040608@poeticstudios.com> References: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> <434D1C3C.7030505@poeticstudios.com> <434D269F.40709@student.kug.ac.at> <200510121442.13818.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20051012182023.7ee49b54@mango.fruits.de> <434D40C7.5040608@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <434D44DE.4080704@infinity.net> Cesare wrote: > Florian Schmidt wrote: > >> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:42:13 +0000 >> Nigel Henry wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi Georg. Does that really work, or are we going into the realms of >>> sheer fantasy (Twilight zone) . Nigel. aka mekon, farpoint, and many >>> other sci-fi characters and places. >>> >>> >> >> >> well, it works only if you either >> >> a] have OSS drivers installed or >> >> b] have the ALSA OSS compat. module loaded.. >> >> Nonetheless, here's an alsa version: >> >> cat foo.pdf | aplay >> >> ;) >> >> Have fun, >> Flo >> >> >> > It's annoying that you can't make a joke with linux users. They've > always an answer to show you that what you're joking about is not that > ridicolous (rather it is indeed possible). > But Peter wanted to generate sound from an image. > > So my question is: how can he use this software to accomplish this > task if there's just the paper, and not yet the software? > but there IS software: http://www.ipd.uni-karlsruhe.de/~reuter/soundpaint/ sure the joke is funny, and i DID chuckle (a bit), but the cool thing is that we tend to take the absurd and say, "hmmm.... we could probably do something with that"! From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Wed Oct 12 11:56:54 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Oct 12 13:12:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <20051012182023.7ee49b54@mango.fruits.de> References: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> <200510121442.13818.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20051012182023.7ee49b54@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <200510121556.54703.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 12 October 2005 16:20, Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:42:13 +0000 > > Nigel Henry wrote: > > Hi Georg. Does that really work, or are we going into the realms of sheer > > fantasy (Twilight zone) . Nigel. aka mekon, farpoint, and many other > > sci-fi characters and places. > > well, it works only if you either > > a] have OSS drivers installed or > > b] have the ALSA OSS compat. module loaded.. > > Nonetheless, here's an alsa version: > > cat foo.pdf | aplay > > ;) > > Have fun, > Flo Hi Flo. I take back all I said about sheer fantasy. I just ran, evolution-usb-midi.pdf. Only 25.3KB. CLI said. Playing raw data 'stdin' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000Hz, Mono. It sounded like very, very heavy metal guitars, with lots of distortion. A lot like the sort of stuff John Peel was playing during his thrash period. It only ran for about 2 secs. I;ll have to try a bigger .pdf. This is getting very interesting. Creating music (cough) from the written word. Nigel. aka mekon, and all the other sci-fi guys. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Oct 12 13:49:46 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Oct 12 13:49:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sub $200 sound card recommendations In-Reply-To: <35512.69.112.0.48.1129136223.squirrel@www.slinkp.com> References: <20051012052024.67628.qmail@web52312.mail.yahoo.com> <1129133698.10599.7.camel@mindpipe> <35512.69.112.0.48.1129136223.squirrel@www.slinkp.com> Message-ID: <1129139387.10599.18.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 12:57 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > Lee Revell said: > > On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 22:20 -0700, October wrote: > >> I recently upgraded myself to an M-Audio Delta 44 and > >> positively love it. > > > > Does it have hardware mixing? > > Depends what you mean. > > Feeding multiple streams from multiple apps simultaneously to one > hardware output? No, you'd need jack or one of the desktop sound > servers for that. Nope, the easiest way is to get a card that does hardware mixing like any SBLive/Audigy/Audigy2. Then it will Just Work - no f**king around with dmix or sound servers. Lee From tc4312 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 12 14:50:05 2005 From: tc4312 at yahoo.com (J Wang) Date: Wed Oct 12 14:50:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fwd: ALSA problem: No such device ?? Message-ID: <20051012185005.36261.qmail@web60519.mail.yahoo.com> I'm trying to get ALSA 1.0.9b up on a VIA Epia with an onboard VIA 8233 soundcard. I know the hardware is there because dmesg says: ----- Via 686a/8233/8235 audio driver 1.9.1-ac3 ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: VIA97 (Unknown) via82cxxx: board #1 at 0xDC00, IRQ 10 Enabled Via MIDI ----- These messages come from via82cxxx_audio.c (I'm using the 2.4.26 kernel). Furthermore, I can "cat foo.au > /dev/audio" and hear sound, and even mpg123 "foo.mp3" works - so I know the hardware is OK. I ran snddevices and so the /dev nodes are there. But when I try to load the module with "modprobe snd-via82xx" it loads many modules but ends with: ----- insmod: init_module: snd-via82xx: No such device modprobe: failed to load module snd-via82xx ----- lsmod says: ----- root@june 22# lsmod Module Size Used by Tainted: P snd-ac97-codec 56832 0 snd-mpu401-uart 2848 0 snd-rawmidi 12484 0 [snd-mpu401-uart] snd-seq-device 3560 0 [snd-rawmidi] snd-pcm 52012 0 [snd-ac97-codec] snd-timer 13192 0 [snd-pcm] snd 29360 0 [snd-ac97-codec snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device snd-pcm snd-timer] snd-page-alloc 4392 0 [snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device snd-pcm snd-timer snd] ----- I'm perplexed! I've gone through the alsa.org pages several times, especially http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?module=via82xx but I'm still stuck. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be really happy to hear them! Thanks, Jim tc4312@yahoo.com > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Wed Oct 12 15:02:30 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Wed Oct 12 15:02:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack-dssi problem Message-ID: <1129143750.10884.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I wonder if anyone knows why I can't get jack-dssi to find the plugins. I've compiled everything needed and set both the VST and DSSI path variables. This is what I get: hector@ubuntu:~/vst$ jack-dssi-host dssi-vst.so:Crystal.dll RemoteVSTClient: executing /usr/local/lib/dssi/dssi-vst/dssi-vst-scanner /tmp/rplugin_qry_bWglPr DSSI VST plugin scanner v0.3 Copyright (c) 2004 Chris Cannam - Fervent Software Plugin scanner version mismatch dssi-vst-scanner: found in /home/hector/vst/anenome.dll fixme:font:load_VDMX Failed to retrieve vTable dssi-vst-scanner: found in /home/hector/vst/Crystal.dll jack-dssi-host: Error: Plugin label "Crystal.dll" not found in library "dssi-vst.so" any clue? thanks! Hector. From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Wed Oct 12 15:08:26 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Wed Oct 12 15:08:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] dssi-vst problem Message-ID: <1129144106.10884.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I wonder if anyone here could help me with this. I can't get DSSI-vst to find the plugins. I've compiled everything that is needed and set the variables: hector@ubuntu:~/vst$ echo $DSSI_PATH $VST_PATH /usr/local/lib/dssi /home/hector/vst But I get this: hector@ubuntu:~/vst$ jack-dssi-host dssi-vst.so:Crystal.dll RemoteVSTClient: executing /usr/local/lib/dssi/dssi-vst/dssi-vst-scanner /tmp/rplugin_qry_bWglPr DSSI VST plugin scanner v0.3 Copyright (c) 2004 Chris Cannam - Fervent Software Plugin scanner version mismatch dssi-vst-scanner: found in /home/hector/vst/anenome.dll fixme:font:load_VDMX Failed to retrieve vTable dssi-vst-scanner: found in /home/hector/vst/Crystal.dll jack-dssi-host: Error: Plugin label "Crystal.dll" not found in library "dssi-vst.so" I've tried with different plugins and it is the same, any idea? thanks! Hector. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Oct 12 15:47:26 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Oct 12 15:47:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fwd: ALSA problem: No such device ?? In-Reply-To: <20051012185005.36261.qmail@web60519.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051012185005.36261.qmail@web60519.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1129146447.11640.3.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 11:50 -0700, J Wang wrote: > > > > I'm trying to get ALSA 1.0.9b up on a VIA Epia with an onboard VIA 8233 > soundcard. I know the hardware is there because dmesg says: > > ----- > Via 686a/8233/8235 audio driver 1.9.1-ac3 > ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: VIA97 (Unknown) > via82cxxx: board #1 at 0xDC00, IRQ 10 > Enabled Via MIDI > ----- > > These messages come from via82cxxx_audio.c (I'm using the 2.4.26 kernel). That's the OSS driver, which you must have built into the kernel. You can't run the OSS and ALSA driver at the same time. Rebuild the kernel and disable OSS and it will work. Lee From david at haggett.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 12 15:54:40 2005 From: david at haggett.demon.co.uk (David Haggett) Date: Wed Oct 12 15:54:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <20051012182023.7ee49b54@mango.fruits.de> References: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> <200510121442.13818.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20051012182023.7ee49b54@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <200510122054.40671.david@haggett.demon.co.uk> On Wednesday 12 October 2005 17:20, Florian Schmidt wrote: > Nonetheless, here's an alsa version: > > cat foo.pdf | aplay Wow, linux is mad! I just did cat /usr/bin/aplay | aplay and compared it to cat /usr/bin/xmms | aplay The opening stanzas were almost exactly the same. What's that all about? -- David Haggett From musound at jps.net Wed Oct 12 16:06:47 2005 From: musound at jps.net (Sean Bolton) Date: Wed Oct 12 16:05:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] DSSI 0.9.1 release Message-ID: Announcing the DSSI Soft Synth Interface version 0.9.1 release: http://dssi.sourceforge.net/ DSSI is an audio plugin API for software instruments and effects, based on LADSPA, the ALSA sequencer event types, and OSC (Open Sound Control) communications. This release does _not_ contain any changes to the DSSI API itself, which has been stable now since the 0.4 release fifteen months ago (with minor additions at 0.9). Instead, it contains numerous clarifications to the specification and documentation, and the included reference host and example programs have become significantly more robust. Specific changes in 0.9.1 include: - The distribution now has a full autoconf/automake/libtool build system. - FluidSynth-DSSI has been moved into its own package, and no longer depends upon the FluidSynth source. - The reference host, jack-dssi-host, now supports plugins with audio inputs, as well as LADSPA-only plugins (with or without custom DSSI GUIs.) Available hosts and plugins --------------------------- More exciting than the changes in this release, is the recent growth in DSSI implementations. Items marked with '*' are new since the DSSI 0.9 release. Available hosts are: - jack-dssi-host, included in the DSSI distribution - the Rosegarden 4 sequencer * Om, a modular synthesizer * ghostess, a lightweight GTK+ host * dssi~, a Pure Data external Efforts are underway to add DSSI hosting to: - the MusE sequencer * Csound5 * GNU Classpath Available plugins include: - the simple synths and sampler in the DSSI distribution - FluidSynth-DSSI, a soundfont-playing plugin - Xsynth-DSSI, an analog-style synth - dssi-vst, a wrapper plugin enabling the use of many Windows VST plugins - hexter, a Yamaha DX7 modeling plugin * ll-scope, an oscilliscope plugin * Sineshaper, a waveshaping soft synth * dssi_convolve, a DSSI wrapper around libconvolve * xy-controller-dssi, a GUI controller plugin which translates mouse input into X-Y control outputs * WhySynth, which offers a number of synthesis methods The Future ---------- In the year and a half since its initial introduction, DSSI has met a number of challenges to its adoption: the continued (perpetual?) forthcomingness of GMPI, apprehension about adopting a standard with 'Disposable' in its name, some "wait and see if takes off" attitude, and numerous gripes that it won't do this or can't do that. Even so, the creative potential available through DSSI today is great. In part due to this success, there has been a noticable commitment voiced in recent discussions on the DSSI email list to keeping any future enhancements backward-compatible with the existing DSSI API. In the author's opinion, this indicates DSSI will continue to be a stable API, at least until such time as a '2.0' version is considered. With regard to possible future enhancements, interest has been highest in two areas: providing plugins with transport position and tempo information, and allowing plugins to send MIDI data. If you're interested in helping shape these or other developments, please join us on the DSSI discussion list. From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Wed Oct 12 16:30:13 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Wed Oct 12 16:30:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] dssi-vst problem In-Reply-To: <1129144106.10884.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1129144106.10884.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1129149013.14023.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> sorry for the double post, it was a mistake. On Wed, 2005-12-10 at 15:08 -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder if anyone here could help me with this. I can't get DSSI-vst to > find the plugins. I've compiled everything that is needed and set the > variables: > > hector@ubuntu:~/vst$ echo $DSSI_PATH $VST_PATH > /usr/local/lib/dssi /home/hector/vst > > But I get this: > > hector@ubuntu:~/vst$ jack-dssi-host dssi-vst.so:Crystal.dll > RemoteVSTClient: > executing /usr/local/lib/dssi/dssi-vst/dssi-vst-scanner /tmp/rplugin_qry_bWglPr > DSSI VST plugin scanner v0.3 > Copyright (c) 2004 Chris Cannam - Fervent Software > Plugin scanner version mismatch > dssi-vst-scanner: found in /home/hector/vst/anenome.dll > fixme:font:load_VDMX Failed to retrieve vTable > dssi-vst-scanner: found in /home/hector/vst/Crystal.dll > > jack-dssi-host: Error: Plugin label "Crystal.dll" not found in library > "dssi-vst.so" > > I've tried with different plugins and it is the same, any idea? > > thanks! > > > Hector. > From reubenf at sonic.net Wed Oct 12 16:43:07 2005 From: reubenf at sonic.net (reubenf@sonic.net) Date: Wed Oct 12 16:43:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] buzz tracker Message-ID: <15373.216.239.124.38.1129149787.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> The only windows application I miss is buzz tracker (www.buzzmachines.com). I know it is possible to run it under wine, but I have had very little luck using that method (IME it is slow, and the sound has latency problems.) Instructions here: http://web.hibo.no/~mva/viewreview.php?id=706 Anyone had better experience using this method? I know there was a project under development (called fuzz tracker) that aimed to port the code to linux (actually, it would have been a rewrite, since the original developer lost his source when his hard drive crashed. DOH!) But this seems to have disappeared. Are there any buzz-like applications available for linux which are as flexible as buzz is? Cheers Reuben From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 17:26:38 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Oct 12 17:26:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] buzz tracker In-Reply-To: <15373.216.239.124.38.1129149787.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> References: <15373.216.239.124.38.1129149787.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510121426u525fd2fcs2f5c8226f582dc4f@mail.gmail.com> Cheesetracker? On 10/12/05, reubenf@sonic.net wrote: > The only windows application I miss is buzz tracker > (www.buzzmachines.com). I know it is possible to run it under wine, but I > have had very little luck using that method (IME it is slow, and the sound > has latency problems.) > > Instructions here: http://web.hibo.no/~mva/viewreview.php?id=706 > > Anyone had better experience using this method? > > I know there was a project under development (called fuzz tracker) that > aimed to port the code to linux (actually, it would have been a rewrite, > since the original developer lost his source when his hard drive crashed. > DOH!) But this seems to have disappeared. > > Are there any buzz-like applications available for linux which are as > flexible as buzz is? > > Cheers > Reuben > > > > From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Wed Oct 12 15:31:39 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Oct 12 17:36:42 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <434D269F.40709@student.kug.ac.at> References: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> <434D1C3C.7030505@poeticstudios.com> <434D269F.40709@student.kug.ac.at> Message-ID: <200510121931.40006.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 12 October 2005 15:07, Georg Holzmann wrote: > Hallo! > > > This goes further! I can generate music from a paper? pdf->sound? :-) > > of course: > > *.pdf > /dev/dsp > > ;) > > LG > Georg Georg. I really think you've started something here. I can see the serious aspects of creating sound from graphics, but hey. if we can track down the words that make different sounds and then assemble them in pdf, then we've started a new concept in musicmaking. Mind you perhaps not pdf, as Adobe might want the royalties. Perhaps in Open Office .xwf, as they might be easier going on the royalty issue. All a bit of fun ai'nt it. Nigel. From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Wed Oct 12 17:49:42 2005 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Wed Oct 12 17:49:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <200510121931.40006.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> <434D1C3C.7030505@poeticstudios.com> <434D269F.40709@student.kug.ac.at> <200510121931.40006.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <434D84F6.5000802@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! > Georg. I really think you've started something here. I can see the serious > aspects of creating sound from graphics, but hey. if we can track down the > words that make different sounds and then assemble them in pdf, then we've > started a new concept in musicmaking. Mind you perhaps not pdf, as Adobe > might want the royalties. Perhaps in Open Office .xwf, as they might be don't know if it is so easy to compose the music with words here - because one word is very small - and so very short when interpreted as music ... anyway, maybe someone wants to find bigger building blocks for that assemble (maybe picture ... assembled as a video ... or anything else) (btw: I sometimes hear short movies in that way: cat a_movie.mov > /dev/dsp - it is funny, and longer than pdf files of course ;) but I didn't start that :) - I know some performances/installations which played with /dev/dsp ... LG Georg From reubenf at sonic.net Wed Oct 12 18:10:23 2005 From: reubenf at sonic.net (reubenf@sonic.net) Date: Wed Oct 12 18:10:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] buzz tracker In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510121426u525fd2fcs2f5c8226f582dc4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <15373.216.239.124.38.1129149787.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <5bdc1c8b0510121426u525fd2fcs2f5c8226f582dc4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10504.216.239.124.38.1129155023.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> It's OK, but it's more like Impulse Tracker than Buzz. (Impulse Tracker was the best of breed of its kind; Buzz was a radical departure from the traditional tracker. Buzz would better be called "Studio" than "Tracker", since it allowed you to chain modules together in endlessly inventive ways; e.g., if your CPU coped, you could have 9 reverbs in a chain feeding off a chorus that was connected to a sawtooth synth.) > Cheesetracker? > > On 10/12/05, reubenf@sonic.net wrote: >> The only windows application I miss is buzz tracker >> (www.buzzmachines.com). I know it is possible to run it under wine, but >> I >> have had very little luck using that method (IME it is slow, and the >> sound >> has latency problems.) >> >> Instructions here: http://web.hibo.no/~mva/viewreview.php?id=706 >> >> Anyone had better experience using this method? >> >> I know there was a project under development (called fuzz tracker) that >> aimed to port the code to linux (actually, it would have been a rewrite, >> since the original developer lost his source when his hard drive >> crashed. >> DOH!) But this seems to have disappeared. >> >> Are there any buzz-like applications available for linux which are as >> flexible as buzz is? >> >> Cheers >> Reuben >> >> >> >> > > From lau at kudla.org Wed Oct 12 18:12:31 2005 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Oct 12 18:15:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] buzz tracker In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510121426u525fd2fcs2f5c8226f582dc4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <15373.216.239.124.38.1129149787.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <5bdc1c8b0510121426u525fd2fcs2f5c8226f582dc4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200510121812.31696.lau@kudla.org> On Wed October 12 2005 17:26, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Are there any buzz-like applications available for linux which > > are as flexible as buzz is? > Cheesetracker? Cheesetracker is just a traditional sample tracker. Buzz was like a tracker plus Pd (with a slightly less crappy interface) plus SpiralSynth Modular plus a pile of native effects (both MIDI-oriented and DSP) and instruments (virtual analog, sample playback, FM, etc.) plus the ability to use VST/VSTi and DX/DXi instruments and effects and render in realtime to the speaker or with higher quality to disk. It even accepted MIDI input, albeit only for step entry. Simply using all the programs I mentioned above might let you reproduce your Buzz work, but will not let you go "File/Save" and save all your instruments with all your parameters and all your routing as you could with Buzz so that you can subsequently "File/Open" mysong.buz and have everything be exactly as it was when you left off. (Neither will running Buzz under Wine, or at least when I've tried that, File/Opening one of my songs would always crash it due to some misbehaving VST effect or instrument.) Buzz is easily the most powerful free (as in beer) compositional tool I've ever used, but it was designed for like Windows 98 or something and since the source has been lost (and was never released in the first place) there's been no new code written for it and probably never will be. Fuzztracker, GNU Octal, and others have tried to pick up where Buzz left off, and somehow no one's been able to do it. I look forward to the day when someone does, because my attempts to use Rosegarden with Timidity and AMS have accomplished nothing but pissing me off. (Rosegarden is an incredibly nice and professional-feeling program, but for example, even the crap Voyetra sequencer that came with my sound card back in 1995 let me select a group of notes and drag a certain way to change their duration.) It could be that LMMS and other new software like it, combined with decent interfaces to LADSPA plugins and DSSI instruments, will eventually gain critical mass and succeed where Octal, FT, et al. have failed. In the meantime I'm just frustrated. Rob From ml at xung.org Wed Oct 12 19:15:24 2005 From: ml at xung.org (Olivier Guilyardi) Date: Wed Oct 12 19:15:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] buzz tracker In-Reply-To: <15373.216.239.124.38.1129149787.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> References: <15373.216.239.124.38.1129149787.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Message-ID: <434D990C.3060306@xung.org> reubenf@sonic.net wrote: > The only windows application I miss is buzz tracker > (www.buzzmachines.com). I know it is possible to run it under wine, but I > have had very little luck using that method (IME it is slow, and the sound > has latency problems.) > > Instructions here: http://web.hibo.no/~mva/viewreview.php?id=706 > > Anyone had better experience using this method? You might have more luck with win4lin. It runs a lot of software in my experience. -- og From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Oct 12 22:11:32 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Oct 12 20:14:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAD Contrib Area Restricted Message-ID: <8764s2f9nv.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Trying to access: http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/contrib/ ..gives a 403 (Forbidden). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From emillo at libero.it Wed Oct 12 22:19:30 2005 From: emillo at libero.it (Emiliano Grilli) Date: Wed Oct 12 22:19:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sub $200 sound card recommendations In-Reply-To: <434C9332.6010304@flavor8.com> References: <434C9332.6010304@flavor8.com> Message-ID: <1129169970.4268.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Il giorno mar, 11/10/2005 alle 21.38 -0700, reuben ha scritto: > Hello, > > I'm hoping to spend no more than $200 to get a sound card that'll do > everything I need from it. It will function as the center of the sound > system in my art gallery; I'd like to connect it to a mixer via RCA. 2 > output channels + headphone monitor would be ideal, although I could > live with just two of the three. I do not need digital, and I do not > need surround, although neither would hurt. I do like the idea of an > external interface but that is not necessary. > > I'm running Ubuntu 5.4, 2.6 kernel, etc etc. I don't really have a lot > of time to spend futzing with compiling & recompiling drivers; I'd like > something that is easily (& well) supported by ALSA or some other > alternative. > > I'd read a lot of good things about the M-Audio cards -- which one if > so? Or would you spring for one of the SB Audigies? Or other? I tend to suggest M-audio audiophile 24/96 - its 129$ (88 EUR on thomann.de so you might find it for less than 129$) - it's based on the well supported envy24 chip and all the mates I suggested to are really happy. Here are the features: http://m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile2496-main.html It doesn't have headphones out, but it's a professional grade soundcard. If your use is "consumer audio" (If I understand correctly for playing background music only) you can do it with a lot smaller budget (sb128 for example or a cheap used sblive, or even the one built-in on the motherboard). With audiophle 24/96 you surely get high quality output, but maybe is more music production oriented. > Thanks > Reuben HTH -- Emiliano Grilli Linux user #209089 http://www.emillo.net From steve at hassard.net Wed Oct 12 22:29:43 2005 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Wed Oct 12 22:29:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <200510121556.54703.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> <200510121442.13818.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20051012182023.7ee49b54@mango.fruits.de> <200510121556.54703.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <434DC697.2070303@hassard.net> I remember back in the day (probably 14 years ago) when mod/s3m was the big music thing; A competition was held to compose "chipit" music using your windows/dos configuration files (think autoexec.bat, config.sys, etc.) as digital instruments. Some of the talented individuals created some very entertaining pieces. As a bonus it was fun to export the instruments and see what their configuration consisted of (and if anyone cheated by forcing whitespace/capitalization). later, Steve Nigel Henry wrote: > On Wednesday 12 October 2005 16:20, Florian Schmidt wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:42:13 +0000 >> >> Nigel Henry wrote: >>> Hi Georg. Does that really work, or are we going into the realms of sheer >>> fantasy (Twilight zone) . Nigel. aka mekon, farpoint, and many other >>> sci-fi characters and places. >> well, it works only if you either >> >> a] have OSS drivers installed or >> >> b] have the ALSA OSS compat. module loaded.. >> >> Nonetheless, here's an alsa version: >> >> cat foo.pdf | aplay >> >> ;) >> >> Have fun, >> Flo > > Hi Flo. I take back all I said about sheer fantasy. I just ran, > evolution-usb-midi.pdf. Only 25.3KB. CLI said. Playing raw data 'stdin' : > Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000Hz, Mono. It sounded like very, very heavy metal > guitars, with lots of distortion. A lot like the sort of stuff John Peel was > playing during his thrash period. It only ran for about 2 secs. I;ll have to > try a bigger .pdf. This is getting very interesting. Creating music (cough) > from the written word. Nigel. aka mekon, and all the other sci-fi guys. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Oct 12 23:11:19 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Oct 12 23:11:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sub $200 sound card recommendations In-Reply-To: <1129169970.4268.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <434C9332.6010304@flavor8.com> <1129169970.4268.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1129173079.13969.6.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 04:19 +0200, Emiliano Grilli wrote: > It doesn't have headphones out, but it's a professional grade > soundcard. > If your use is "consumer audio" (If I understand correctly for playing > background music only) you can do it with a lot smaller budget (sb128 > for example or a cheap used sblive, or even the one built-in on the > motherboard). There is no SBLive built in on any motherboard. The onboard devices that Creative is marketing as "SBLive! 24 bit" have NOTHING to do with a real SBLive. Completely different chipset, vastly inferior features. Lee From mis at artengine.ca Thu Oct 13 00:26:18 2005 From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta) Date: Thu Oct 13 00:26:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] graphics->sound In-Reply-To: <434D84F6.5000802@student.kug.ac.at> References: <434C6C71.5080205@infinity.net> <434D1C3C.7030505@poeticstudios.com> <434D269F.40709@student.kug.ac.at> <200510121931.40006.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <434D84F6.5000802@student.kug.ac.at> Message-ID: <868xwyujo5.fsf@localhost.localdomain> Georg Holzmann writes: > but I didn't start that :) - I know some performances/installations which > played with /dev/dsp ... Yeah, I've used that too, and spoke with people who did. Uncompressed image files (like .tif) sound better than compressed and are actually predictable in the way forms, shapes and colors get interpreted. This in fact is a lot of fun to play with. ./MiS From emillo at libero.it Thu Oct 13 03:29:26 2005 From: emillo at libero.it (Emiliano Grilli) Date: Thu Oct 13 03:40:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sub $200 sound card recommendations In-Reply-To: <1129173079.13969.6.camel@mindpipe> References: <434C9332.6010304@flavor8.com> <1129169970.4268.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129173079.13969.6.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20051013072926.GA19086@emillo.net> mercoled?, 12 ottobre 2005 alle 23:11:19, Lee Revell ha scritto: > On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 04:19 +0200, Emiliano Grilli wrote: > > It doesn't have headphones out, but it's a professional grade > > soundcard. > > If your use is "consumer audio" (If I understand correctly for playing > > background music only) you can do it with a lot smaller budget (sb128 > > for example or a cheap used sblive, or even the one built-in on the > > motherboard). > > There is no SBLive built in on any motherboard. With "the one built-in" I meant the soundcard, not the sblive, sorry... I'm not a native speaker. I know that there's no sblive on any motherboard. > The onboard devices that Creative is marketing as "SBLive! 24 bit" have > NOTHING to do with a real SBLive. Completely different chipset, vastly > inferior features. > > Lee Cheers, -- Emiliano Grilli Linux user #209089 http://www.emillo.net From errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk Thu Oct 13 05:31:06 2005 From: errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk (Martin Habets) Date: Thu Oct 13 05:31:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sub $200 sound card recommendations In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510120921i77c93ac3h6523fc803d4dc86a@mail.gmail.com> References: <434C9332.6010304@flavor8.com> <20051012134104.GA21278@palantir8> <5bdc1c8b0510120658t38b0f6d2jb854b82f1aeb4b7b@mail.gmail.com> <20051012153845.GA21622@palantir8> <5bdc1c8b0510120921i77c93ac3h6523fc803d4dc86a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051013093105.GA24304@palantir8> On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 09:21:02AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > I'm considering this unit for use mostly with a Mac Mini but possibly > also with Linux once in awhile. Comments? If you run linux on the mac mini, see below. As for mac os: i hardly ever use it. It came with a driver cd rom to use the S24_3LE mode plus the midi port on mac os/windows, plus sonar le for windows. Without the enhanced drivers aparently it will only with in S16_LE mode. The CDs are still unused, as the (wonderfull!) snd-usb-audio driver work with both enhanced and non-enhanced mode. > > > > The UA-25 uses S24_3LE. See the link for a jack patch that kindof swaps > > the bytes, but it leaves byte 4 empty. Hence samples loose their sign plus > > more. > > Shouldn't the jack buffer convert the samples to a full 32 bit value? > > How are applications suposed to know how many bits are valid in the > > jack_port_buffer? > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1289682&group_id=39687&atid=425939 > > Are you saying that patch is not applied or doesn't work for you? Both kinda. Last time I looked it had not been applied, and jackd does not start without it. With the patch recording levels show up wrong, but I'm mostly there makeing a fix for that. -- Martin From errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk Thu Oct 13 05:45:15 2005 From: errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk (Martin Habets) Date: Thu Oct 13 05:45:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sub $200 sound card recommendations In-Reply-To: <1129136819.12415.133.camel@dhin> References: <434C9332.6010304@flavor8.com> <20051012134104.GA21278@palantir8> <5bdc1c8b0510120658t38b0f6d2jb854b82f1aeb4b7b@mail.gmail.com> <20051012153845.GA21622@palantir8> <1129136819.12415.133.camel@dhin> Message-ID: <20051013094515.GB24304@palantir8> On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 01:06:59PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > The UA-25 uses S24_3LE. See the link for a jack patch that kindof swaps > > the bytes, but it leaves byte 4 empty. Hence samples loose their sign plus > > more. > > Shouldn't the jack buffer convert the samples to a full 32 bit value? > > How are applications suposed to know how many bits are valid in the > > jack_port_buffer? > > that is a meaningless question. all audio within the JACK graph is 32 > bit float audio. there is no access to h/w-native data formats from > within the graph: only the backend has access to them, and that is where > the patch takes effect. Your answer to my first question makes my second one void indeed. Still thanks for answering my first one :) > if the patch does not work correctly, we need to know (as does its > author). Well, I'm still working on a final fix. What I have attached corrects the buffer for the S24_3LE mode. Before this fix -1 from the device (0xffffff) became 0x00ffffff (large positive number) in the buffer. With the patch it is 0xffffffff, i.e. -1 as it should be. I created a very similar patch for 'arecord -vv', which is in alsa cvs now. I'll post a final jack fix to jackit-devel, and probably append it to the sf entry. But there's still plenty of testing to do before that. -- Martin --- memops.c.patched 2005-10-10 23:33:02.000000000 +0100 +++ memops.c 2005-10-12 18:01:55.000000000 +0100 @@ -30,6 +30,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include @@ -443,16 +444,22 @@ x |= (unsigned char)(src[1]); x <<= 8; x |= (unsigned char)(src[2]); - x <<= 8; + /* Correct sign bit and the rest of the top byte */ + if (src[0] & 0x80) { + x |= 0xff << 24; + } #elif __BYTE_ORDER == __BIG_ENDIAN x = (unsigned char)(src[2]); x <<= 8; x |= (unsigned char)(src[1]); x <<= 8; x |= (unsigned char)(src[0]); - x <<= 8; + /* Correct sign bit and the rest of the top byte */ + if (src[2] & 0x80) { + x |= 0xff << 24; + } #endif - *dst = (x >> 8) / SAMPLE_MAX_24BIT; + *dst = x / SAMPLE_MAX_24BIT; dst++; src += src_skip; } From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Wed Oct 12 18:22:35 2005 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Thu Oct 13 08:03:02 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] buzz tracker In-Reply-To: <10504.216.239.124.38.1129155023.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> References: <15373.216.239.124.38.1129149787.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <5bdc1c8b0510121426u525fd2fcs2f5c8226f582dc4f@mail.gmail.com> <10504.216.239.124.38.1129155023.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Message-ID: <1129155755.8708.5.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 15:10 -0700, reubenf@sonic.net wrote: > It's OK, but it's more like Impulse Tracker than Buzz. (Impulse Tracker > was the best of breed of its kind; Buzz was a radical departure from the > traditional tracker. Buzz would better be called "Studio" than "Tracker", > since it allowed you to chain modules together in endlessly inventive > ways; e.g., if your CPU coped, you could have 9 reverbs in a chain feeding > off a chorus that was connected to a sawtooth synth.) seq24 + Om (or any other modular synth)? Or maybe there's a more tracker-like sequencer if you don't like piano roll editors. -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I know that LADSPA plugins are becoming very good substitutes but there are some really good VST instruments that I hardly see being ported to LADSPA (e.g. Synful Orchestra). I tried to make jack_fst work using a patch found in the wine-list http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-users/2004/10/0451.html but it didn't work for me. I just hope that the developers keep the good work and help the linux-audio community... or maybe I should learn C and start working on it :-) cheers, hector From ix at replic.net Thu Oct 13 09:05:17 2005 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Thu Oct 13 09:05:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20051013130517.GB11971@replic.net> On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:43:45AM -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > Hi, > > After the Linux distros started moving to gcc4 is obvious that many old i found it a bit different. just about everything compiles perfectly on gcc4, but odd instabilities arise later. like for example i have absolutely no idea why but jackd now crashes every 15 seconds..and even after recompiling alsa-driver/jackd with 3.4.4 it wont go away! im finding it a lot more problematic than switching from 32bit to 64bit was.. for the curious.. Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception. 09:25 e #1 0x00002aaaac330cf5 in driver_get_descriptor () from /usr/lib64/jack/jack_alsa.so > applications will not compile. Unfortunately one of those applications > is Wine 20040505, the only version you can use for Jack_fst. I don't you might have better luck with xfst, or a jack-dssi-host, or whatever the other tricks are these days to run obsolete proprietary 32bit windows plugin code on linux.. How Late Do You Have 2B B4 U R Absent? From fullgo at dellorfano.net Thu Oct 13 09:35:52 2005 From: fullgo at dellorfano.net (Joe Dell'Orfano) Date: Thu Oct 13 09:23:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20051013132258.07A812006882@postoffice.omnis.com> I have jack_fst working well on an FC3 planetCCRMA machine using the wine version from Crossover (www.Codeweavers.com). I have crossover so that I can run M$ Office for work compatability, but this wine version seems to play nicely with jack_fst. -Joe -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Hector Centeno-Garcia Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:44 AM To: ardour-users@lists.ardour.org Cc: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack_fst and gcc4 Hi, After the Linux distros started moving to gcc4 is obvious that many old applications will not compile. Unfortunately one of those applications is Wine 20040505, the only version you can use for Jack_fst. I don't know what is the satus of the project but I really hope is not dead and that we see an upgrade. I keep finding a big demand for using VST plugins in Linux so there should be another reason why this kind of tools are not being developed. Is it a legal one? I'm just curious. I know that LADSPA plugins are becoming very good substitutes but there are some really good VST instruments that I hardly see being ported to LADSPA (e.g. Synful Orchestra). I tried to make jack_fst work using a patch found in the wine-list http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-users/2004/10/0451.html but it didn't work for me. I just hope that the developers keep the good work and help the linux-audio community... or maybe I should learn C and start working on it :-) cheers, hector From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Oct 13 09:25:39 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Oct 13 09:24:56 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 08:43 -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > Hi, > > After the Linux distros started moving to gcc4 is obvious that many old > applications will not compile. Unfortunately one of those applications > is Wine 20040505, the only version you can use for Jack_fst. I don't > know what is the satus of the project but I really hope is not dead and > that we see an upgrade. I keep finding a big demand for using VST > plugins in Linux so there should be another reason why this kind of > tools are not being developed. Is it a legal one? I'm just curious. I > know that LADSPA plugins are becoming very good substitutes but there > are some really good VST instruments that I hardly see being ported to > LADSPA (e.g. Synful Orchestra). I tried to make jack_fst work using a > patch found in the wine-list > http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-users/2004/10/0451.html but it > didn't work for me. I just hope that the developers keep the good work > and help the linux-audio community... or maybe I should learn C and > start working on it :-) just ignore it for now unless you want to get deeply into it. eventually some combination of torben and myself will get it working again with any wine distro. it will take a *lot* more than just learning C, believe me. the key thing to keep in mind is that the basic idea behind jack_fst (using wine as a library) turns out to have been a bad one. until one of us has the time or interest, its not going to happen. but i do want to do this for ardour, so my motivation is there. --p From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Thu Oct 13 09:37:03 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Thu Oct 13 09:37:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <20051013130517.GB11971@replic.net> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20051013130517.GB11971@replic.net> Message-ID: <1129210623.9360.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-13-10 at 13:05 +0000, carmen wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:43:45AM -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > > Hi, > > > > After the Linux distros started moving to gcc4 is obvious that many old > > i found it a bit different. just about everything compiles perfectly on gcc4, but odd instabilities arise later. like for example i have absolutely no idea why but jackd now crashes every 15 seconds..and even after recompiling alsa-driver/jackd with 3.4.4 it wont go away! im finding it a lot more problematic than switching from 32bit to 64bit was.. > > for the curious.. Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception. > 09:25 e #1 0x00002aaaac330cf5 in driver_get_descriptor () from /usr/lib64/jack/jack_alsa.so > > > applications will not compile. Unfortunately one of those applications > > is Wine 20040505, the only version you can use for Jack_fst. I don't > > you might have better luck with xfst, or a jack-dssi-host, or whatever the other tricks are these days to run obsolete proprietary 32bit windows plugin code on linux.. > > > How Late Do You Have 2B B4 U R Absent? Thanks for your reply. I can't get wine 20040505 to compile because of syntax errors that after some research I found where related to gcc4. On the other hand everything else here works very well including jackd and alsa. I switched from agnula to Ubuntu breezy and it is amazing who their official kernel gives very good latency and stability without the realtime-preempt patch and beside that you get all the support and user friendliness. It is really a great distro! I understand that saying "obsolete proprietary 32bit windows plugin code" is more of an ideological claim and I agree with it. I would like to see plugins with the quality of some of the "obsolete" ones in native open source LADSPA or DSSI format. I believe in the open source project and that's why I'm trying hard to do all my music composing work (which is a lot since this is my main career) 100% in open source... but there are two things that keep me looking back to the "obsolete proprietary world": the lack of a high quality reverb plugin and virtual instruments like Synful. I don't know when there would be an open source initiative big enough to produce software like that, but I'll try to help with it! (that's why I'm opening this debate). cheers! hector From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Thu Oct 13 09:39:48 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Thu Oct 13 09:39:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <20051013132258.07A812006882@postoffice.omnis.com> References: <20051013132258.07A812006882@postoffice.omnis.com> Message-ID: <1129210788.9360.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-13-10 at 09:35 -0400, Joe Dell'Orfano wrote: > I have jack_fst working well on an FC3 planetCCRMA machine using the wine > version from Crossover (www.Codeweavers.com). I have crossover so that I can > run M$ Office for work compatability, but this wine version seems to play > nicely with jack_fst. > > -Joe > thanks! I'll give that a try, they have a demo version for downloading. hector. From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Thu Oct 13 10:56:53 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Thu Oct 13 10:57:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <20051013132258.07A812006882@postoffice.omnis.com> References: <20051013132258.07A812006882@postoffice.omnis.com> Message-ID: <1129215413.13084.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-13-10 at 09:35 -0400, Joe Dell'Orfano wrote: > I have jack_fst working well on an FC3 planetCCRMA machine using the wine > version from Crossover (www.Codeweavers.com). I have crossover so that I can > run M$ Office for work compatability, but this wine version seems to play > nicely with jack_fst. > > -Joe > Joe, Hod did you manage to get jack_fst running using CrossoverOffice? I installed it and it doesn't install libwine which is needed by jack_fst. It seems that the installation package doesn't include any development sources so I can't see how I would be able to compile jack_fst. thanks! hector From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Oct 13 10:59:18 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare) Date: Thu Oct 13 10:59:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> Message-ID: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> Paul Davis wrote: >On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 08:43 -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>After the Linux distros started moving to gcc4 is obvious that many old >>applications will not compile. Unfortunately one of those applications >>is Wine 20040505, the only version you can use for Jack_fst. I don't >>know what is the satus of the project but I really hope is not dead and >>that we see an upgrade. I keep finding a big demand for using VST >>plugins in Linux so there should be another reason why this kind of >>tools are not being developed. Is it a legal one? I'm just curious. I >>know that LADSPA plugins are becoming very good substitutes but there >>are some really good VST instruments that I hardly see being ported to >>LADSPA (e.g. Synful Orchestra). I tried to make jack_fst work using a >>patch found in the wine-list >>http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-users/2004/10/0451.html but it >>didn't work for me. I just hope that the developers keep the good work >>and help the linux-audio community... or maybe I should learn C and >>start working on it :-) >> >> > >just ignore it for now unless you want to get deeply into it. eventually >some combination of torben and myself will get it working again with any >wine distro. it will take a *lot* more than just learning C, believe me. > >the key thing to keep in mind is that the basic idea behind jack_fst >(using wine as a library) turns out to have been a bad one. > >until one of us has the time or interest, its not going to happen. but i >do want to do this for ardour, so my motivation is there. > >--p > > > > Paul, I think that a clean solution to host vst plugins (at least the effects) could be this : taking the wine approach (and maybe some code) and just implement those calls that are relevant to audio plugins (file access for loading and saving presets, math libraries etc.) without handling graphics at all.We have the info for the effect parameters in the dll and we can provide a standard interface (like the simpler vst effects in cubase) to tweak parameters. Is this possible? I mean, is there a (not too difficult) way to link a win32 dll to a linux executable if you provide wrappers for the functions called inside it? This would made possible to make a standalone (no wine needed) ladspa wrapper for vst effects. Again, I believe the most trivial part is handling the graphics (also because every developer seems to draw them in different ways). If we link directly to the audio callback functions and provide some wrappers for the needed libraries functions. I'm a developer, but I don't know much about this specific field (win32 dlls).Maybe this is a stupid idea, otherwise somebody would have already used it. Who knows? Me not. c. www.cesaremarilungo.com From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Oct 13 11:48:40 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Oct 13 11:47:52 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 16:59 +0200, Cesare wrote: > I think that a clean solution to host vst plugins (at least the effects) > could be this : taking the wine approach (and maybe some code) and just > implement those calls that are relevant to audio plugins (file access > for loading and saving presets, math libraries etc.) without handling > graphics at all.We have the info for the effect parameters in the dll > and we can provide a standard interface (like the simpler vst effects in > cubase) to tweak parameters. > > Is this possible? absolutely not possible. > I mean, is there a (not too difficult) way to link a win32 dll to a > linux executable if you provide wrappers for the functions called inside it? this is i mean by saying that there is *lot* more to getting this stuff to work than knowing C. the infrastructure required to support plugins is much larger than you think. support win32 critical sections, which many plugins use, actually requires a client/server architecture within wine. there is lots more .... and in addition, i would note that most people who want to use vst plugins *want* the GUIs that go with them. i know several vst plugins that would be almost unusable without their own GUI, and almost all VSTi's would be have to be added to that list. From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 12:33:07 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Oct 13 12:33:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> On 10/13/05, Paul Davis wrote: > On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 16:59 +0200, Cesare wrote: > > I think that a clean solution to host vst plugins (at least the effects) > > could be this : taking the wine approach (and maybe some code) and just > > implement those calls that are relevant to audio plugins (file access > > for loading and saving presets, math libraries etc.) without handling > > graphics at all.We have the info for the effect parameters in the dll > > and we can provide a standard interface (like the simpler vst effects in > > cubase) to tweak parameters. > > > > Is this possible? > > absolutely not possible. > I'll go even a bit further. VSts are Windows programs and they should just work under Wine. Paul & Torben's time is probably better spent elsewhere. I'd like to see every Linux Audio user interested in this subject start pressing the Wine folks to support this themselves. Let's pay attention to the Windows apps that can host VSTs and VSTi's. Acid Pro is a commercial one that comes to mind. Fruity Loops, etc. There's got to be free VST loaders out there for Windows. Older versions of Acid install and run fine under Wine but do not handle VSTs very well. The new versions don't install or run. Putting together yet another hack outside of Wine that will run for 1 year and then die when gcc5 comes out would be disappointing. Let's get the Wine folks to support this. Please enter apps in the Wine AppDB and enter test results in Wine's Bugzilla. If there are enough of us entering 100's of apps then they'll pay attention. Maybe not fast, but I believe they will. My 2 cents, Mark From ewf at alltel.net Thu Oct 13 12:39:17 2005 From: ewf at alltel.net (CHAZ WORM) Date: Thu Oct 13 12:38:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <434E8DB5.8080206@alltel.net> Mark Knecht wrote: >I'll go even a bit further. VSts are Windows programs and they should >just work under Wine. Paul & Torben's time is probably better spent >elsewhere. > >I'd like to see every Linux Audio user interested in this subject >start pressing the Wine folks to support this themselves. Let's pay >attention to the Windows apps that can host VSTs and VSTi's. Acid Pro >is a commercial one that comes to mind. Fruity Loops, etc. There's got >to be free VST loaders out there for Windows. Older versions of Acid >install and run fine under Wine but do not handle VSTs very well. The >new versions don't install or run. > >Putting together yet another hack outside of Wine that will run for 1 >year and then die when gcc5 comes out would be disappointing. Let's >get the Wine folks to support this. > >Please enter apps in the Wine AppDB and enter test results in Wine's >Bugzilla. If there are enough of us entering 100's of apps then >they'll pay attention. Maybe not fast, but I believe they will. > > >My 2 cents, >Mark > > > > Bravo, bravo. I concur. My sentiments exactly. Ditto chaz From pcoccoli at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 13:14:13 2005 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Thu Oct 13 13:14:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] buzz tracker In-Reply-To: <15373.216.239.124.38.1129149787.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> References: <15373.216.239.124.38.1129149787.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Message-ID: <8d27a0610510131014g23eec17fw2db64ae9da14016f@mail.gmail.com> On 10/12/05, reubenf@sonic.net wrote: > Are there any buzz-like applications available for linux which are as > flexible as buzz is? What about BEAST [http://beast.gtk.org/]? I've never tried it, but it looks like an all-in-one GUI composition and synthesis package. There's another effort calls buzztard [http://www.buzztard.org/index.php/Main_Page], but I don't think it's in a usable state yet. paul From ciccolix at tiscalinet.it Thu Oct 13 13:58:01 2005 From: ciccolix at tiscalinet.it (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Lazzaro_Nicol=F2_Ciccolella?=) Date: Thu Oct 13 14:02:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] BCA2000 behringer alsa support Message-ID: <434EA029.1030200@tiscalinet.it> I am not able to configure the bca2000 under linux. Although I loaded the module "snd-usb-audio" the only card that comes seen is the intel motherboard integrated card. It is the first time that I use a audio usb interface. I have found, with google, various post on this topic but they have not cleared to me if is possible to use the bca2000 with linux. Someone is successful? thanks for whichever aid -- Lazzaro here some information on my system: bash-3.00# uname -a Linux tarallo-furioso 2.6.11.5 #9 SMP Wed May 18 17:28:44 CEST 2005 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux bash-3.00# lsmod (before load snd-usb-audio) Module Size Used by radeon 76800 1 drm 61844 2 radeon analog 11424 0 gameport 4736 1 analog rtc 11468 0 intel_agp 21148 1 snd_intel8x0 30528 0 snd_ac97_codec 76536 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm 85252 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec snd_timer 22916 1 snd_pcm snd 50532 4 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer snd_page_alloc 8836 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm tuner 22564 0 saa7134 100564 0 video_buf 18564 1 saa7134 v4l2_common 5760 1 saa7134 v4l1_compat 14852 1 saa7134 ir_common 5124 1 saa7134 videodev 8704 1 saa7134 evdev 8576 0 agpgart 30256 2 drm,intel_agp bash-3.00# lsmod (after "modprobe snd-usb-audio") Module Size Used by snd_usb_audio 65600 0 snd_usb_lib 12672 1 snd_usb_audio snd_rawmidi 21664 1 snd_usb_lib snd_seq_device 8332 1 snd_rawmidi radeon 76800 1 drm 61844 2 radeon analog 11424 0 gameport 4736 1 analog rtc 11468 0 intel_agp 21148 1 snd_intel8x0 30528 0 snd_ac97_codec 76536 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm 85252 3 snd_usb_audio,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec snd_timer 22916 1 snd_pcm snd 50532 8 snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer snd_page_alloc 8836 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm tuner 22564 0 saa7134 100564 0 video_buf 18564 1 saa7134 v4l2_common 5760 1 saa7134 v4l1_compat 14852 1 saa7134 ir_common 5124 1 saa7134 videodev 8704 1 saa7134 evdev 8576 0 agpgart 30256 2 drm,intel_agp bash-3.00# cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [I82801BAICH2 ]: ICH - Intel 82801BA-ICH2 Intel 82801BA-ICH2 with CMI9761 at 0xec00, irq 17 bash-3.00# dmesg |grep usb (only the bca2000 is plugged-in) usbcore: registered new driver usbfs usbcore: registered new driver hub usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Generic usbcore: registered new driver usbserial_generic usbcore: registered new driver usbserial drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial Driver core v2.0 usbcore: registered new driver snd-usb-audio bash-3.00# lsusb Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1397:00bb Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 bash-3.00# lsusb -v -s 001:002 Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1397:00bb Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 2.00 bDeviceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bDeviceSubClass 255 Vendor Specific Subclass bDeviceProtocol 255 Vendor Specific Protocol bMaxPacketSize0 64 idVendor 0x1397 idProduct 0x00bb bcdDevice 0.00 iManufacturer 0 iProduct 0 iSerial 0 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 171 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0x80 MaxPower 100mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 0 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass 255 Vendor Specific Subclass bInterfaceProtocol 255 Vendor Specific Protocol iInterface 0 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 1 bNumEndpoints 6 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass 255 Vendor Specific Subclass bInterfaceProtocol 255 Vendor Specific Protocol iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x01 EP 1 OUT bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 bytes 512 once bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 bytes 512 once bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x02 EP 2 OUT bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 bytes 512 once bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x04 EP 4 OUT bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 bytes 512 once bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x86 EP 6 IN bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 bytes 512 once bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x88 EP 8 IN bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 bytes 512 once bInterval 0 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 2 bNumEndpoints 6 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass 255 Vendor Specific Subclass bInterfaceProtocol 255 Vendor Specific Protocol iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x01 EP 1 OUT bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0040 bytes 64 once bInterval 1 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0040 bytes 64 once bInterval 1 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x02 EP 2 OUT bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 bytes 512 once bInterval 1 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x04 EP 4 OUT bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 bytes 512 once bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x86 EP 6 IN bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 bytes 512 once bInterval 1 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x88 EP 8 IN bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 bytes 512 once bInterval 0 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 3 bNumEndpoints 6 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass 255 Vendor Specific Subclass bInterfaceProtocol 255 Vendor Specific Protocol iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x01 EP 1 OUT bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0040 bytes 64 once bInterval 1 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0040 bytes 64 once bInterval 1 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x02 EP 2 OUT bmAttributes 1 Transfer Type Isochronous Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 bytes 512 once bInterval 1 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x04 EP 4 OUT bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 bytes 512 once bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x86 EP 6 IN bmAttributes 1 Transfer Type Isochronous Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 bytes 512 once bInterval 1 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x88 EP 8 IN bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 bytes 512 once bInterval 0 From jh at brainiac.com Thu Oct 13 14:36:11 2005 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Thu Oct 13 14:36:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] BCA2000 behringer alsa support In-Reply-To: <434EA029.1030200@tiscalinet.it> References: <434EA029.1030200@tiscalinet.it> Message-ID: <20051013143611.3229c036.jh@brainiac.com> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:58:01 +0200 Lazzaro Nicol? Ciccolella wrote: > I am not able to configure the bca2000 under linux. > > Although I loaded the module "snd-usb-audio" the only card that comes > seen is the intel motherboard integrated card. The BCA isn't listed with lsusb, so it hasn't been seen by the system. Have you power-cycled it after Linux has booted? I find I have to do that pretty frequently, usually just after I start jack. I don't know what application you want to use the BCA with, but the Wiki entry at http://ardour.org/manual/using_a_bcf2000 has some helpful hints on connecting a BCF/BCA even if you're not using Ardour. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 14:54:36 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Oct 13 14:54:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <434E8DB5.8080206@alltel.net> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <434E8DB5.8080206@alltel.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510131154i78e709c6t9d49f3d0263e1143@mail.gmail.com> On 10/13/05, CHAZ WORM wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > >Please enter apps in the Wine AppDB and enter test results in Wine's > >Bugzilla. If there are enough of us entering 100's of apps then > >they'll pay attention. Maybe not fast, but I believe they will. > > > > > >My 2 cents, > >Mark > > > > > > > > > Bravo, bravo. I concur. My sentiments exactly. Ditto > > chaz > Let's work together to find a 'preferred' free platform that can serve as a VST host. This would be a Windows app that we can load our VSTs into. I haven't done this under Windows because I have commercial apps that serve this purpose, but for our needs here we need a free, even Open Source, Windows app that will host VSTs. We could then work with the Winde developers to ensure this host works, and when the host works we can then work to support more and more VSTs. Does anyone know of a potential VST host that we could try to run under Wine? My 2 cents, Mark From jesse at essej.net Thu Oct 13 15:42:12 2005 From: jesse at essej.net (Jesse Chappell) Date: Thu Oct 13 15:42:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] BCA2000 behringer alsa support In-Reply-To: <20051013143611.3229c036.jh@brainiac.com> References: <434EA029.1030200@tiscalinet.it> <20051013143611.3229c036.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: The BCA is an audio device that appears to use a propietary protocol and I don't think it is supported by ALSA. jlc On 10/13/05, Joe Hartley wrote: > On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:58:01 +0200 > Lazzaro Nicol? Ciccolella wrote: > > > I am not able to configure the bca2000 under linux. > > > > Although I loaded the module "snd-usb-audio" the only card that comes > > seen is the intel motherboard integrated card. From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Thu Oct 13 15:51:29 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Thu Oct 13 15:51:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510131154i78e709c6t9d49f3d0263e1143@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <434E8DB5.8080206@alltel.net> <5bdc1c8b0510131154i78e709c6t9d49f3d0263e1143@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129233089.11273.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-13-10 at 11:54 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Let's work together to find a 'preferred' free platform that can serve > as a VST host. This would be a Windows app that we can load our VSTs > into. I haven't done this under Windows because I have commercial apps > that serve this purpose, but for our needs here we need a free, even > Open Source, Windows app that will host VSTs. We could then work with > the Winde developers to ensure this host works, and when the host > works we can then work to support more and more VSTs. > > Does anyone know of a potential VST host that we could try to run under Wine? > > My 2 cents, > Mark I agree too! This is a very good plan and I'm sure that if the wine guys sense that there is really a community out there who needs this kind of support they will do something. I don't know how easy is going to be to find a windows project that beside being free it is open source. I found this site for now: http://rm-and-jo.laughingsquid.org/Text/Guide-To-VST-Hosts.html There Bidule http://www.plogue.com/ looks ok, but it doesn't seem to be Open Source. I'll keep searching... and let's start the campaign! hector From jh at brainiac.com Thu Oct 13 16:14:14 2005 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Thu Oct 13 16:14:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] BCA2000 behringer alsa support In-Reply-To: References: <434EA029.1030200@tiscalinet.it> <20051013143611.3229c036.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <20051013161414.51b42521.jh@brainiac.com> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:42:12 -0400 Jesse Chappell wrote: > The BCA is an audio device that appears to use a propietary protocol > and I don't think it is supported by ALSA. My bad, I thought the BCA2000 was the rotary pot version of the BCF2000. Turns out that's the BCR2000. Sorry! -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From xaero at inwind.it Thu Oct 13 16:22:03 2005 From: xaero at inwind.it (federico) Date: Thu Oct 13 16:23:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.2 released. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <434EC1EB.4040503@inwind.it> Loki Davison ha scritto: >Hi all, >Smack 0.2 is now out. Smack is a drum synth, 100% sample free. It's >built with LADSPA plugins and the Om modular synth. New in this >release are Noise and resonate filter based metallic percussion, ring >modulation based drums, velocity sensitivity, control ports for all >drums and random other goodness. Get it at http://smack.berlios.de/ >There are also some new sound demos on the site including a physical >modeling based djembe. The gui is no longer included due to huge >improvements with om_gtk, and lack of time for maintaining it. Please >just use om_gtk or the emacs bindings. > >Cheers, >Loki > > > > i got this error trying to load some of your patches: ERROR: Unable to make connection /808kit/808hihat/midi_trigger_in0/Gate -> /808kit/808hihat/adenv_lvl_0/Reset Level ERROR: Unable to make connection /808kit/808hihat/midi_trigger_in1/Gate -> /808kit/808hihat/adenv_lvl_1/Reset Level ERROR: Unable to make connection /808kit/808hihat/OH gate/in -> /808kit/808hihat/adenv_lvl_0/Reset Level ERROR: Unable to make connection /808kit/808hihat/CH gate/in -> /808kit/808hihat/adenv_lvl_1/Reset Level ERROR: Unable to make connection /909bass/midi_trigger_in0/Trigger -> /909bass/adenv_lvl_0/Reset Level i see the audio outputs and the alsa input (triggers), i send midi notes to them, but it doesn't output any sound. can you help me? From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Thu Oct 13 16:30:55 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Thu Oct 13 16:30:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <1129233089.11273.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <434E8DB5.8080206@alltel.net> <5bdc1c8b0510131154i78e709c6t9d49f3d0263e1143@mail.gmail.com> <1129233089.11273.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1129235455.11273.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > I agree too! This is a very good plan and I'm sure that if the wine guys > sense that there is really a community out there who needs this kind of > support they will do something. I don't know how easy is going to be to > find a windows project that beside being free it is open source. I found > this site for now: > http://rm-and-jo.laughingsquid.org/Text/Guide-To-VST-Hosts.html > > There Bidule http://www.plogue.com/ looks ok, but it doesn't seem to be > Open Source. I'll keep searching... and let's start the campaign! > > > hector ok, Bidule is not any longer free, you have to pay $70. I found another one named MiniHost. It is free but not open source. It runs under wine but it needs an ASIO driver so I installed asio4all and now MiniHost finds the ASIO driver! The only problem I have is getting asio4all to find a wdm sound driver. Anyone knows how does the wine sound section work? Is it possible to have an emulated wdm driver that connects with alsa or jack? cheers! hector From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Oct 13 16:40:36 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Oct 13 16:40:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] BCA2000 behringer alsa support In-Reply-To: References: <434EA029.1030200@tiscalinet.it> <20051013143611.3229c036.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <1129236037.16243.61.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 15:42 -0400, Jesse Chappell wrote: > The BCA is an audio device that appears to use a propietary protocol > and I don't think it is supported by ALSA. This raises the question of why Behringer would bother to develop their own protocol. Seems like it would be way cheaper to just make the device class compliant. Oh well, there's only one way to find out (reverse engineering)... Lee From sayhi2guy at tiscali.co.uk Thu Oct 13 16:54:16 2005 From: sayhi2guy at tiscali.co.uk (guy) Date: Thu Oct 13 16:54:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <1129233089.11273.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <434E8DB5.8080206@alltel.net> <5bdc1c8b0510131154i78e709c6t9d49f3d0263e1143@mail.gmail.com> <1129233089.11273.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <434EC978.3090800@tiscali.co.uk> Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: >On Thu, 2005-13-10 at 11:54 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > >Does anyone know of a potential VST host that we could try to run under Wine? >(snip) > > vsthost is a stand alone host for vst plug ins. There is also a stand alone host for vsti's called savihost. Both are free but not open source. http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htm http://www.hermannseib.com/english/savihost.htm As regards fst - I always understood the problem was keeping up with the rapidly changing Wine codebase. Now Wine is about to go Beta I understand the codebase will be more stable, if I may quote: ''the significance will be the core architecture is complete" see: http://www.winehq.com/?issue=293#Stabilizing%20for%20Wine%200.9%20Release so hopefully using Wine may now be a more viable proposition. Regards Guy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.0/132 - Release Date: 13/10/2005 ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From xaero at inwind.it Thu Oct 13 17:27:39 2005 From: xaero at inwind.it (federico) Date: Thu Oct 13 17:28:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.2 released. In-Reply-To: <434EC1EB.4040503@inwind.it> References: <434EC1EB.4040503@inwind.it> Message-ID: <434ED14B.7020108@inwind.it> federico ha scritto: > Loki Davison ha scritto: > >> Hi all, >> Smack 0.2 is now out. Smack is a drum synth, 100% sample free. It's >> built with LADSPA plugins and the Om modular synth. New in this >> release are Noise and resonate filter based metallic percussion, ring >> modulation based drums, velocity sensitivity, control ports for all >> drums and random other goodness. Get it at http://smack.berlios.de/ >> There are also some new sound demos on the site including a physical >> modeling based djembe. The gui is no longer included due to huge >> improvements with om_gtk, and lack of time for maintaining it. Please >> just use om_gtk or the emacs bindings. >> >> Cheers, >> Loki >> >> >> >> > i got this error trying to load some of your patches: > > ERROR: Unable to make connection > /808kit/808hihat/midi_trigger_in0/Gate -> > /808kit/808hihat/adenv_lvl_0/Reset Level > ERROR: Unable to make connection > /808kit/808hihat/midi_trigger_in1/Gate -> > /808kit/808hihat/adenv_lvl_1/Reset Level > ERROR: Unable to make connection /808kit/808hihat/OH gate/in -> > /808kit/808hihat/adenv_lvl_0/Reset Level > ERROR: Unable to make connection /808kit/808hihat/CH gate/in -> > /808kit/808hihat/adenv_lvl_1/Reset Level > ERROR: Unable to make connection /909bass/midi_trigger_in0/Trigger -> > /909bass/adenv_lvl_0/Reset Level > ok i solved the errors above by installing omins-cvs. but still hear no sound. i lift up all volume slider, twiddled with sliders, checked that all the output are connected to a soundcard output, and checked that for midi connections too. there aren't any error message in the om console and in the om_gtk console, except (om_gtk:21016): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_range_set_range: assertion `min < max' failed, but everything seems to work fine, except for the audio :| > i see the audio outputs and the alsa input (triggers), i send midi > notes to them, but it doesn't output any sound. > > can you help me? > From m.hatzold at web.de Thu Oct 13 17:34:02 2005 From: m.hatzold at web.de (mh) Date: Thu Oct 13 17:34:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi definition Message-ID: <434ED2CA.1030200@web.de> Hi, I would like to have a better knowlege about the midi protocol, to understand better what is stored in a midi file and how it is stored. I am not that much interested in bits and bytes, but in how a description of a note works in midi, i.e. is a note defined by a start point and a duration ( and the end point is a consequence) or is midi a start and an end point ( and the duration is a consequence). What is a pause? Is it a silent note? How does a notation application calculate ties or what remains of tied notes? The duration only? And so on... If anyone of you knows some URL where to find usefull information about the theme in question, I would like it very much to see it posted here. If it is in german, even better ;-) Greetings michaa From idragosani at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 17:47:51 2005 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett W. McCoy) Date: Thu Oct 13 17:47:56 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi definition In-Reply-To: <434ED2CA.1030200@web.de> References: <434ED2CA.1030200@web.de> Message-ID: <18b65aac0510131447n6d638a82t8ba92184077e62bd@mail.gmail.com> On 10/13/05, mh wrote: > I would like to have a better knowlege about the midi protocol, to > understand better what is stored in a midi file and how it is stored. I > am not that much interested in bits and bytes, but in how a description > of a note works in midi, i.e. is a note defined by a start point and a > duration ( and the end point is a consequence) or is midi a start and an > end point ( and the duration is a consequence). What is a pause? Is it a > silent note? How does a notation application calculate ties or what > remains of tied notes? The duration only? And so on... > > If anyone of you knows some URL where to find usefull information about > the theme in question, I would like it very much to see it posted here. > If it is in german, even better ;-) Google is your friend. Here's on to get you started: http://www.hinton-instruments.co.uk/midi/midicode.html -- Brett -- Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.chapelperilous.net http://www.alhazred.com http://www.revelmoon.com From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Thu Oct 13 17:57:03 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Thu Oct 13 17:57:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <434EC978.3090800@tiscali.co.uk> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <434E8DB5.8080206@alltel.net> <5bdc1c8b0510131154i78e709c6t9d49f3d0263e1143@mail.gmail.com> <1129233089.11273.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <434EC978.3090800@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1129240623.13737.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-13-10 at 21:54 +0100, guy wrote: > > Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > > >On Thu, 2005-13-10 at 11:54 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > >Does anyone know of a potential VST host that we could try to run under Wine? > >(snip) > > > > > vsthost is a stand alone host for vst plug ins. There is also a stand > alone host for vsti's called savihost. Both are free but not open source. > http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htm > http://www.hermannseib.com/english/savihost.htm > That last one did work! Except that I can't get the midi signal from my keyboard. Anyone here knows how to configure wine to use jack? I can see that there is a jack driver but I can't find where to configure wine to use it. I'm using a recent version of winde and there is no more config file in my .wine directory. thanks! hector From vvucic at EUnet.yu Thu Oct 13 18:01:17 2005 From: vvucic at EUnet.yu (Vedran Vucic) Date: Thu Oct 13 18:01:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi definition In-Reply-To: <18b65aac0510131447n6d638a82t8ba92184077e62bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <434ED2CA.1030200@web.de> <18b65aac0510131447n6d638a82t8ba92184077e62bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129240877.434ed92d75767@webmail.eunet.yu> Hi, there is MIDI manufacturers association and you can order MIDI specification if you like with detailed explanation of the protocol. vedran Quoting "Brett W. McCoy" : > On 10/13/05, mh wrote: > > > I would like to have a better knowlege about the midi protocol, to > > understand better what is stored in a midi file and how it is stored. I > > am not that much interested in bits and bytes, but in how a description > > of a note works in midi, i.e. is a note defined by a start point and a > > duration ( and the end point is a consequence) or is midi a start and an > > end point ( and the duration is a consequence). What is a pause? Is it a > > silent note? How does a notation application calculate ties or what > > remains of tied notes? The duration only? And so on... > > > > If anyone of you knows some URL where to find usefull information about > > the theme in question, I would like it very much to see it posted here. > > If it is in german, even better ;-) > > Google is your friend. > > Here's on to get you started: > > http://www.hinton-instruments.co.uk/midi/midicode.html > > -- Brett > -- > Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night > http://www.chapelperilous.net > http://www.alhazred.com > http://www.revelmoon.com > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Oct 13 18:30:44 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Oct 13 18:32:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi definition In-Reply-To: <434ED2CA.1030200@web.de> References: <434ED2CA.1030200@web.de> Message-ID: <1129242644.16243.80.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 23:34 +0200, mh wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to have a better knowlege about the midi protocol, to > understand better what is stored in a midi file and how it is stored. I > am not that much interested in bits and bytes, but in how a description > of a note works in midi, i.e. is a note defined by a start point and a > duration ( and the end point is a consequence) or is midi a start and an > end point ( and the duration is a consequence). What is a pause? Is it a > silent note? How does a notation application calculate ties or what > remains of tied notes? The duration only? And so on... Basically all MIDI is is Note On at X time on foo channel, Note Off at Y time on foo channel. Duration would not work as a property of the Note On, as MIDI has to function in real time - when a piano player hits a note you have no idea when he/she will release it. The easiest way to see this is to run aseqdump and then play at a MIDI keyboard. You can see in real time what the MIDI representation of anything you do is. Lee From ce at christeck.de Thu Oct 13 18:38:35 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Thu Oct 13 18:32:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi definition In-Reply-To: <434ED2CA.1030200@web.de> References: <434ED2CA.1030200@web.de> Message-ID: <200510140038.35132.ce@christeck.de> > i.e. is a note defined by a start point and a > duration ( and the end point is a consequence) or is midi a start and > an end point ( and the duration is a consequence). What is a pause? * Connect your MIDI keyboard with a softsynth * Play a note and hold the key pressed * Disconnect the cable * Release the key Illuminating ;-) . BTW: Without some knowledge about bits and (mainly) bytes, you'll not understand MIDI. Hey, it's easy, because MIDI mainly deals with messages of one byte size. Best regards ce From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Thu Oct 13 18:57:12 2005 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Thu Oct 13 18:56:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi definition In-Reply-To: <434ED2CA.1030200@web.de> References: <434ED2CA.1030200@web.de> Message-ID: <1129244232.8937.11.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 23:34 +0200, mh wrote: > I would like to have a better knowlege about the midi protocol, to > understand better what is stored in a midi file and how it is stored. > > [...] > > If anyone of you knows some URL where to find usefull information about > the theme in question, I would like it very much to see it posted here. Here is a webpage that I have found very useful when writing MIDI software: http://www.borg.com/~jglatt/tech/midispec.htm It only describes the protocol, not the MIDI file format, but the event structure is the same. -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051014/150a7e2d/attachment.bin From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 19:17:32 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Oct 13 19:17:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <1129240623.13737.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <434E8DB5.8080206@alltel.net> <5bdc1c8b0510131154i78e709c6t9d49f3d0263e1143@mail.gmail.com> <1129233089.11273.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <434EC978.3090800@tiscali.co.uk> <1129240623.13737.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510131617x2e91e412u6cf20f6c05679335@mail.gmail.com> On 10/13/05, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > On Thu, 2005-13-10 at 21:54 +0100, guy wrote: > > > > Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > > > > >On Thu, 2005-13-10 at 11:54 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > >Does anyone know of a potential VST host that we could try to run under Wine? > > >(snip) > > > > > > > > vsthost is a stand alone host for vst plug ins. There is also a stand > > alone host for vsti's called savihost. Both are free but not open source. > > http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htm > > http://www.hermannseib.com/english/savihost.htm > > > > That last one did work! Except that I can't get the midi signal from my > keyboard. Anyone here knows how to configure wine to use jack? I can see > that there is a jack driver but I can't find where to configure wine to > use it. I'm using a recent version of winde and there is no more config > file in my .wine directory. > Theoretically you will use winecfg and tell Wine through there to use Jack as a sound driver. I've tried it once or twice and had no luck but maybe it's better with recent versions of Wine/Alsa/Jack? Give it a try. AviiHost did not install for me in a clean environment: mark@lightning ~ $ wine savihost.exe err:module:import_dll Library MFC42.DLL (which is needed by L"Z:\\home\\mark\\savihost.exe") not found err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"Z:\\home\\mark\\savihost.exe" failed, status c0000135 mark@lightning ~ $ MFC42.DLL is a standard Windows DLL. I'll have to grab a copy from the DLL download site and see if that works. Maybe one or both of these could be a candidate for taking to the Wine AppDB and then having about 50 of us give our inputs to say it's important. One other thought. Maybe the Savihost developer will consider makign the code Open Source? Maybe he has an interest in Linux, etc., and would find it interesting to participate? - Mark - Mark From b0ef at esben-stien.name Thu Oct 13 21:46:33 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu Oct 13 19:49:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] GMPI Message-ID: <878xwwdg5i.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> There has been no talk on the list for many months. Any other place development occurs? -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Thu Oct 13 19:54:51 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Thu Oct 13 19:54:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510131617x2e91e412u6cf20f6c05679335@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <434E8DB5.8080206@alltel.net> <5bdc1c8b0510131154i78e709c6t9d49f3d0263e1143@mail.gmail.com> <1129233089.11273.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <434EC978.3090800@tiscali.co.uk> <1129240623.13737.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5bdc1c8b0510131617x2e91e412u6cf20f6c05679335@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129247691.21595.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-13-10 at 16:17 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/13/05, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-13-10 at 21:54 +0100, guy wrote: > > > > > > Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > > > > > > >On Thu, 2005-13-10 at 11:54 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > > >Does anyone know of a potential VST host that we could try to run under Wine? > > > >(snip) > > > > > > > > > > > vsthost is a stand alone host for vst plug ins. There is also a stand > > > alone host for vsti's called savihost. Both are free but not open source. > > > http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htm > > > http://www.hermannseib.com/english/savihost.htm > > > > > > > That last one did work! Except that I can't get the midi signal from my > > keyboard. Anyone here knows how to configure wine to use jack? I can see > > that there is a jack driver but I can't find where to configure wine to > > use it. I'm using a recent version of winde and there is no more config > > file in my .wine directory. > > > Theoretically you will use winecfg and tell Wine through there to use > Jack as a sound driver. I've tried it once or twice and had no luck > but maybe it's better with recent versions of Wine/Alsa/Jack? Give it > a try. > > AviiHost did not install for me in a clean environment: > > mark@lightning ~ $ wine savihost.exe > err:module:import_dll Library MFC42.DLL (which is needed by > L"Z:\\home\\mark\\savihost.exe") not found > err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for > L"Z:\\home\\mark\\savihost.exe" failed, status c0000135 > mark@lightning ~ $ > > MFC42.DLL is a standard Windows DLL. I'll have to grab a copy from the > DLL download site and see if that works. > I got MFC42.DLL from my windows partition and just copied it to the system folder inside your .wine folder. Thanks for telling me about wincfg. I was able to make wine and savihost to use jack as output but now under midi devices, in savihost, I get no input device listed and one output. Also after some using it some time it became unstable... cheers, hector From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 20:11:59 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:12:04 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <1129247691.21595.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <434E8DB5.8080206@alltel.net> <5bdc1c8b0510131154i78e709c6t9d49f3d0263e1143@mail.gmail.com> <1129233089.11273.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <434EC978.3090800@tiscali.co.uk> <1129240623.13737.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5bdc1c8b0510131617x2e91e412u6cf20f6c05679335@mail.gmail.com> <1129247691.21595.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510131711v67e4a76qe07eea1e8657f100@mail.gmail.com> On 10/13/05, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > On Thu, 2005-13-10 at 16:17 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > AviiHost did not install for me in a clean environment: > > > > mark@lightning ~ $ wine savihost.exe > > err:module:import_dll Library MFC42.DLL (which is needed by > > L"Z:\\home\\mark\\savihost.exe") not found > > err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for > > L"Z:\\home\\mark\\savihost.exe" failed, status c0000135 > > mark@lightning ~ $ > > > > MFC42.DLL is a standard Windows DLL. I'll have to grab a copy from the > > DLL download site and see if that works. > > > I got MFC42.DLL from my windows partition and just copied it to the > system folder inside your .wine folder. Right, but not everyone has Windows... For people who don't have Windows the dlls are mostly available online at DLL-Files.com: http://www.dll-files.com/search.php?s=MFC42 I would suggest that maybe we need to make a standard location like that the place to go so that everyone testing is using EXACTLY the same DLLs. I'd be worried that your and my dll are slightly different versions (due to updates done to Windows) then we would get different results. This way we'd all be using the same thing. Easier to debug problems. We can even have an application page on the Wine AppDB that points to the exact Windows DLL so that no one has to find anything. > Thanks for telling me about > wincfg. I was able to make wine and savihost to use jack as output but > now under midi devices, in savihost, I get no input device listed and > one output. Also after some using it some time it became unstable... > This may be an issue with Wine and how well MIDI support is integrated. I use Battery under Wine/jack_fst and I can drive MIDI to that. Anyway, this would all be part of the buf report process we would make to the Wine Bugzilla system about what works and what doesn''t work. - Mark From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Thu Oct 13 21:25:30 2005 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Thu Oct 13 21:25:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 Message-ID: Mark Knecht: > Let's work together to find a 'preferred' free platform that can serve > as a VST host. This would be a Windows app that we can load our VSTs > into. I haven't done this under Windows because I have commercial apps > that serve this purpose, but for our needs here we need a free, even > Open Source, Windows app that will host VSTs. We could then work with > the Winde developers to ensure this host works, and when the host > works we can then work to support more and more VSTs. > > Does anyone know of a potential VST host that we could try to run under > Wine? I used this program a lot when making the vstserver: http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htm Its just what the name says: A vst host. Latest version is partly open-source, older versions are fully open-source. (Not sure about license though). -- From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Thu Oct 13 17:58:30 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Thu Oct 13 22:57:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.2 released. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200510132358.31844.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> El Lunes, 10 de Octubre de 2005 09:24, Loki Davison escribi?: > Hi all, > Smack 0.2 is now out. Smack is a drum synth, 100% sample free. It's > built with LADSPA plugins and the Om modular synth. New in this > release are Noise and resonate filter based metallic percussion, ring > modulation based drums, velocity sensitivity, control ports for all > drums and random other goodness. Get it at http://smack.berlios.de/ > There are also some new sound demos on the site including a physical > modeling based djembe. The gui is no longer included due to huge > improvements with om_gtk, and lack of time for maintaining it. Please > just use om_gtk or the emacs bindings. > > Cheers, > Loki Very nice sound! ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From extremecs at yahoo.com Fri Oct 14 00:43:38 2005 From: extremecs at yahoo.com (October) Date: Fri Oct 14 00:43:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] onboard midi/joystick controller? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051014044339.14406.qmail@web52314.mail.yahoo.com> This is what I get: demudi:/home/overlord# modprobe snd-mpu401 FATAL: Error inserting snd_mpu401 (/lib/modules/2.6.12-3-multimedia-686/kernel/sound/drivers/mpu401/snd-mpu401.ko): No such device FATAL: Error running install command for snd_mpu401 Help? (running demudi 1.2.1) Jon --- Clemens Ladisch wrote: > October wrote: > > Anyway, I tried hooking it up to the onboard > > "joystick/midi" socket on the motherboard (an > older > > 440BX based Asus board) and don't see it register > in > > jack. > > Use the snd-mpu401 driver. If you don't have ACPI, > you have to set > port address and interrupt to those value configures > in the BIOS, > e.g.: > > options snd-mpu401 port=0x330 irq=5 > > > HTH > Clemens > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In a world without walls who needs gates or windows? --unknown __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 00:43:57 2005 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Oct 14 00:43:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Smack 0.2 released. In-Reply-To: <434ED14B.7020108@inwind.it> References: <434EC1EB.4040503@inwind.it> <434ED14B.7020108@inwind.it> Message-ID: On 10/14/05, federico wrote: > > ok i solved the errors above by installing omins-cvs. > > but still hear no sound. > i lift up all volume slider, twiddled with sliders, checked that all the > output are connected to a soundcard output, and checked that for midi > connections too. > > there aren't any error message in the om console and in the om_gtk > console, except (om_gtk:21016): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_range_set_range: > assertion `min < max' failed, but everything seems to work fine, except > for the audio :| > > > i see the audio outputs and the alsa input (triggers), i send midi > > notes to them, but it doesn't output any sound. > > > > can you help me? Are you triggering on the right note? To use the kit you need very recent om cvs, all other patches should work on older om versions, as mentioned in the readme. Try just loading the normal patch file. 808 hihat is on note 60, as are all the noisy patches. For bass drums, snare etc they are in standard gm drum map locations, a few octaves down. If that doesn't fix it try connecting an oscillator straight to output and see if you can hear it. Loki From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Oct 14 03:55:01 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Oct 14 03:55:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] BCA2000 behringer alsa support In-Reply-To: <1129236037.16243.61.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 15:42 -0400, Jesse Chappell wrote: > > The BCA is an audio device that appears to use a propietary protocol > > and I don't think it is supported by ALSA. > > This raises the question of why Behringer would bother to develop their > own protocol. Seems like it would be way cheaper to just make the > device class compliant. Because some versions of Microsoft's 'class compliant' USB audio driver blow up when confronted with such unusual things as multichannel devices, MIDI, or USB 2.0. Regards, Clemens From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Oct 14 04:10:58 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Oct 14 04:11:02 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] onboard midi/joystick controller? In-Reply-To: <20051014044339.14406.qmail@web52314.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: October wrote: > FATAL: Error inserting snd_mpu401 > No such device The snd-mpu401 doesn't actually check for the device; it loads even if you've set the wrong port/irq. > (running demudi 1.2.1) I've heard that demudi has a bug that prevents the snd-mpu401 and snd-virmidi modules from loading at all. Regards, Clemens From errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk Fri Oct 14 06:25:09 2005 From: errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk (Martin Habets) Date: Fri Oct 14 06:25:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sub $200 sound card recommendations In-Reply-To: <20051013094515.GB24304@palantir8> References: <434C9332.6010304@flavor8.com> <20051012134104.GA21278@palantir8> <5bdc1c8b0510120658t38b0f6d2jb854b82f1aeb4b7b@mail.gmail.com> <20051012153845.GA21622@palantir8> <1129136819.12415.133.camel@dhin> <20051013094515.GB24304@palantir8> Message-ID: <20051014102509.GA28562@palantir8> I did not find any more problems, so my previous patch is final. Realized I may have my 1's and 2's complement mixed up in my previous mail. Hope you still get the gist of the problem. Martin On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 10:45:15AM +0100, Martin Habets wrote: > On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 01:06:59PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > if the patch does not work correctly, we need to know (as does its > > author). > > Well, I'm still working on a final fix. What I have attached corrects the > buffer for the S24_3LE mode. Before this fix -1 from the device (0xffffff) > became 0x00ffffff (large positive number) in the buffer. With the patch > it is 0xffffffff, i.e. -1 as it should be. > I created a very similar patch for 'arecord -vv', which is in alsa cvs now. > I'll post a final jack fix to jackit-devel, and probably append it to the > sf entry. But there's still plenty of testing to do before that. From robin at rektau.ukfsn.org Fri Oct 14 08:05:45 2005 From: robin at rektau.ukfsn.org (robin) Date: Fri Oct 14 08:05:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] onboard midi/joystick controller? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <434F9F19.5020606@rektau.ukfsn.org> Clemens Ladisch wrote: > October wrote: > >>FATAL: Error inserting snd_mpu401 >>No such device > > > The snd-mpu401 doesn't actually check for the device; it loads even if > you've set the wrong port/irq. > > >>(running demudi 1.2.1) > > > I've heard that demudi has a bug that prevents the snd-mpu401 and > snd-virmidi modules from loading at all. > > > Regards, > Clemens > > > There is a new kernel, kernel-image-2.6.13-1-multimedia-386, in the Demudi testing repository, along with a matching alsa-modules package where snd-virmidi etc. are working. Repository: deb http://demudi.agnula.org/packages/demudi/ testing main robin From Favio at gmx.net Fri Oct 14 08:08:22 2005 From: Favio at gmx.net (Favio@gmx.net) Date: Fri Oct 14 08:08:28 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ablton live emulation Message-ID: <9843.1129291702@www22.gmx.net> Hi everyone, I am quite new to the idea of linux for audio. I am a live performer, and I heard about the solid rock attributes of linux. My question: Does anyone know a software which does the job which Abletons Live is doing for me at the moment? I depend on it heavely, performing as FOH and Keyboarder, live is my main source of sound and songwriting as well. I don't know which Linux OS, which things at all I would need setting up my Laptop for live performances, as well as I don't know of any software for changing from live 5. Well, also, I need to know if I can still use my USB audio interface "Lexicon Omega" with my laptop. I am grateful for any help. Regards, Favio (mailing from the UK) -- Favio Masulli y Becker Contact: 07840 185 746 MSN : protoolz@hotmail.co.uk From sonicx_ at gmx.net Fri Oct 14 10:46:54 2005 From: sonicx_ at gmx.net (sonicx) Date: Fri Oct 14 08:47:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] professional audio measurement with linux??? In-Reply-To: <9843.1129291702@www22.gmx.net> References: <9843.1129291702@www22.gmx.net> Message-ID: <434FC4DE.4030100@gmx.net> hy, i was wondering if it is possible,and usuable, to make precise pressure and frequency messurements using linux. ie. to test high-end speakers.i somehow guess so,but what do i need? can i use my mic+soundcard+alsa+somemeasurementproggi ? i am looking for an inexpensive but precise solution to test the speakers i am planning to build at home and without an oscilloscope or such equip which i could never ever afford right at the start of production. i have a decent machine with fine running sound support-i thought of maybe just pushing some pink-noise (i just believe that this is what a "rosa-rauschen" is called) to the speakers without any changes to that noise, while recording it with a pretty good mic,centered right in front of the speaker with 1m between. some tests outside and some in different rooms. then i would take some kind of snd-like proggi to view the data and form it (somehow) to a nice graph.well several nice graphs. but right now i dont think that this method would give me any reliable results,as mic amp and my sound-sys may of course have their one characteristica of sound and so may make any speaker-only data unusuable. i hope someone has some ideas for me,as i have _no_ plan whatsoever about "real" measurement-cards in linux,or if i need one at all...some rough directions please? as i dont know what a propiate software might be named i didnt even find a hint. i though found some measurement cards and drivers for em-but i couldnt even guess what to measure these would be for =). im willing to try even the most complicated stuff,as long as it wont cost that much bucks. and it would be nice if i could go on with my 2.4.9EL kernel-as my realizm-drivers only work with this flavor. mfg sonicx From a at gaydenko.com Fri Oct 14 09:05:38 2005 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Fri Oct 14 09:05:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] professional audio measurement with linux??? In-Reply-To: <434FC4DE.4030100@gmx.net> References: <9843.1129291702@www22.gmx.net> <434FC4DE.4030100@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200510141705.38747@goldspace.net> I'm sure, 'jaaa' may be helpful here. I use it in my audio DIY-ing. Of course, you must use JACK (with 'qjackctl') to be able to run multiple jaaa instances + other JACK-ready apps. 'jaaa --help' doesn't show very useful parameter "name": jaaa -J -name jaaa1 will run jaaa instance with "jaaa1" as JACK client name. LADSPA plugins has different oscillators, and here 'jack-rack' is usefull. P.S. Be careful with you tweaters when using white noise! Andrew ======= On Friday 14 October 2005 18:46, sonicx wrote: ======= hy, i was wondering if it is possible,and usuable, to make precise pressure and frequency messurements using linux. ie. to test high-end speakers.i somehow guess so,but what do i need? can i use my mic+soundcard+alsa+somemeasurementproggi ? i am looking for an inexpensive but precise solution to test the speakers i am planning to build at home and without an oscilloscope or such equip which i could never ever afford right at the start of production. i have a decent machine with fine running sound support-i thought of maybe just pushing some pink-noise (i just believe that this is what a "rosa-rauschen" is called) to the speakers without any changes to that noise, while recording it with a pretty good mic,centered right in front of the speaker with 1m between. some tests outside and some in different rooms. then i would take some kind of snd-like proggi to view the data and form it (somehow) to a nice graph.well several nice graphs. but right now i dont think that this method would give me any reliable results,as mic amp and my sound-sys may of course have their one characteristica of sound and so may make any speaker-only data unusuable. i hope someone has some ideas for me,as i have _no_ plan whatsoever about "real" measurement-cards in linux,or if i need one at all...some rough directions please? as i dont know what a propiate software might be named i didnt even find a hint. i though found some measurement cards and drivers for em-but i couldnt even guess what to measure these would be for =). im willing to try even the most complicated stuff,as long as it wont cost that much bucks. and it would be nice if i could go on with my 2.4.9EL kernel-as my realizm-drivers only work with this flavor. mfg sonicx From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Oct 14 09:24:19 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri Oct 14 09:22:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ablton live emulation In-Reply-To: <9843.1129291702@www22.gmx.net> References: <9843.1129291702@www22.gmx.net> Message-ID: <1129296259.12214.61.camel@dhin> > My question: Does anyone know a software which does the job which Abletons > Live is doing for me at the moment? what aspects of live are you using? there are people who have done live performances with ardour (brave souls, i say; and i wrote ardour :) > Well, also, I need to know if I can still use my USB audio interface > "Lexicon Omega" with my laptop. depends on whether it is a truly class compliant device. does it come with its own win/mac drivers or not? --p From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 10:06:21 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Oct 14 10:06:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ablton live emulation In-Reply-To: <9843.1129291702@www22.gmx.net> References: <9843.1129291702@www22.gmx.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510140706p4faca6f2h620595b30d1cdab0@mail.gmail.com> On 10/14/05, Favio@gmx.net wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am quite new to the idea of linux for audio. > > I am a live performer, and I heard about the solid rock attributes of linux. > > My question: Does anyone know a software which does the job which Abletons > Live is doing for me at the moment? > Ableton Live is rumored to now install with the CVS version of Wine. I've been asked to test it but haven't found the time yet. If you're up for it you might give it a try. Please note - Ableton installing is not the same as Ableton working perfectly. That said having someone who uses Ableton look at it under Wine would be a help. Feel free to contact me off line if you need more info. Cheers, Mark From Favio at gmx.net Fri Oct 14 10:16:39 2005 From: Favio at gmx.net (Favio@gmx.net) Date: Fri Oct 14 10:16:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ablton live emulation References: <1129296259.12214.61.camel@dhin> Message-ID: <28516.1129299399@www41.gmx.net> Yes, it does come with WDM and ASIO drivers for windows. I don't have a Mac, but it does have drivers for thatone too. I am mainly using the session window, to chuck the samples into it in real time and then I am playing around with FX, with the order I play the samples, etc etc. I could live with a just session window, and then have some sort of automation going on, to record what I did when, etc, for my productions. Also, I would need the ability to sync the program with my DAW from Yamaha, so that I would be able to do the session first, then go out to the Recorder, and add live voice and bass to it, if needed. But that would be secondary. I am very impressed about the amount of help from you guys. I will continue to help if I can aswell, as soon as I got into it a bit more, that is :D I am a sound engineer and producer for years now, and I just started a course at uni, that must be the reason for the fact, that I want to see then protools everyday. But as I said, as a performer, I simply use Live and m laptop :) Thanks again, Favio > --- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht --- > Von: Paul Davis > An: A list for linux audio users > Betreff: Re: [linux-audio-user] ablton live emulation > Datum: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:24:19 -0400 > > > My question: Does anyone know a software which does the job which > Abletons > > Live is doing for me at the moment? > > what aspects of live are you using? there are people who have done live > performances with ardour (brave souls, i say; and i wrote ardour :) > > > Well, also, I need to know if I can still use my USB audio interface > > "Lexicon Omega" with my laptop. > > depends on whether it is a truly class compliant device. does it come > with its own win/mac drivers or not? > > --p > > -- Favio Masulli y Becker Contact: 07840 185 746 MSN : protoolz@hotmail.co.uk From sonicx_ at gmx.net Fri Oct 14 12:57:14 2005 From: sonicx_ at gmx.net (sonicx) Date: Fri Oct 14 10:57:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] professional audio measurement with linux??? In-Reply-To: <200510141705.38747@goldspace.net> References: <9843.1129291702@www22.gmx.net> <434FC4DE.4030100@gmx.net> <200510141705.38747@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <434FE36A.4070600@gmx.net> thanks for your quick response! although my jack config still has some rough edges - this sounds like a good solution for me. right now jaaa has some probs compiling but ill try that one alone first =) - i guess theres just some libs to install. thanks again! sonicx Andrew Gaydenko wrote: >I'm sure, 'jaaa' may be helpful here. I use it in my audio DIY-ing. >Of course, you must use JACK (with 'qjackctl') to be able to run >multiple jaaa instances + other JACK-ready apps. > >'jaaa --help' doesn't show very useful parameter "name": > >jaaa -J -name jaaa1 > >will run jaaa instance with "jaaa1" as JACK client name. > >LADSPA plugins has different oscillators, and here 'jack-rack' is >usefull. > >P.S. Be careful with you tweaters when using white noise! > > >Andrew >======= On Friday 14 October 2005 18:46, sonicx wrote: ======= >hy, >i was wondering if it is possible,and usuable, to make precise pressure >and frequency messurements using linux. ie. to test high-end speakers.i >somehow guess so,but what do i need? can i use my >mic+soundcard+alsa+somemeasurementproggi ? i am looking for an >inexpensive but precise solution to test the speakers i am planning to >build at home and without an oscilloscope or such equip which i could >never ever afford right at the start of production. i have a decent >machine with fine running sound support-i thought of maybe just pushing >some pink-noise (i just believe that this is what a "rosa-rauschen" is >called) to the speakers without any changes to that noise, while >recording it with a pretty good mic,centered right in front of the >speaker with 1m between. some tests outside and some in different rooms. >then i would take some kind of snd-like proggi to view the data and form >it (somehow) to a nice graph.well several nice graphs. but right now i >dont think that this method would give me any reliable results,as mic >amp and my sound-sys may of course have their one characteristica of >sound and so may make any speaker-only data unusuable. i hope someone >has some ideas for me,as i have _no_ plan whatsoever about "real" >measurement-cards in linux,or if i need one at all...some rough >directions please? > >as i dont know what a propiate software might be named i didnt even find >a hint. i though found some measurement cards and drivers for em-but i >couldnt even guess what to measure these would be for =). im willing to >try even the most complicated stuff,as long as it wont cost that much >bucks. and it would be nice if i could go on with my 2.4.9EL kernel-as >my realizm-drivers only work with this flavor. >mfg > sonicx > > > > From rzewnickie at rfa.org Fri Oct 14 11:04:25 2005 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Fri Oct 14 11:04:32 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ars technica linux audio editing article Message-ID: <20051014150425.GA30600@rfa.org> http://arstechnica.com/guides/tweaks/linux-audio.ars/1 -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Systems Administrator Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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From dave at pawfal.org Fri Oct 14 11:07:44 2005 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Fri Oct 14 11:07:50 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ablton live emulation In-Reply-To: <28516.1129299399@www41.gmx.net> References: <1129296259.12214.61.camel@dhin> <28516.1129299399@www41.gmx.net> Message-ID: <32294.193.203.82.226.1129302464.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> > But as I said, as a performer, I simply use Live and m laptop :) about 90% of the live "laptop performances" I've seen with linux use pure data. it would be possible (I should imagine) to rig up a pd patch that had some of the elements of live, although it's a very different paradigm, the advantage being that you'd have more power over how it works. another program commonly used live is supercollider, a similar tool to pd in that you have to "build it yourself", but it's very powerful and used by quite a cross section of musicians. there are also a lot of people (including myself) who write custom software for live performances. one advantage of linux is that its possible to configure your machine for this sort of work, and jack (in conjuction with a low latency kernel) allows you to get very stable audio. I must admit I've never tried performing with another os, but I like the fact I can run one script that sets my machine up for a gig (launches jack with the right settings, starts apps, connects them together etc), which takes a lot of the pressure away in the heat of the moment. I guess there is no one monolithic "point and click" app that will do all this in the way that live does, but lots of smaller ones, which in a lot of ways is preferable. cheers, dave From Favio at gmx.net Fri Oct 14 11:26:41 2005 From: Favio at gmx.net (Favio@gmx.net) Date: Fri Oct 14 11:26:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ablton live emulation References: <32294.193.203.82.226.1129302464.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: <6703.1129303601@www41.gmx.net> I dont get it, I dont know half the names you just told me. So, what should I look for as an absolute beginner? PD (that one i heard of at uni) or supercollider? > --- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht --- > Von: "Dave Griffiths" > An: "A list for linux audio users" > Kopie: A list for linux audio users > Betreff: Re: [linux-audio-user] ablton live emulation > Datum: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:07:44 +0100 (BST) > > > But as I said, as a performer, I simply use Live and m laptop :) > > about 90% of the live "laptop performances" I've seen with linux use pure > data. it would be possible (I should imagine) to rig up a pd patch that > had some of the elements of live, although it's a very different paradigm, > the advantage being that you'd have more power over how it works. > > another program commonly used live is supercollider, a similar tool to pd > in that you have to "build it yourself", but it's very powerful and used > by quite a cross section of musicians. there are also a lot of people > (including myself) who write custom software for live performances. > > one advantage of linux is that its possible to configure your machine for > this sort of work, and jack (in conjuction with a low latency kernel) > allows you to get very stable audio. I must admit I've never tried > performing with another os, but I like the fact I can run one script that > sets my machine up for a gig (launches jack with the right settings, > starts apps, connects them together etc), which takes a lot of the > pressure away in the heat of the moment. > > I guess there is no one monolithic "point and click" app that will do all > this in the way that live does, but lots of smaller ones, which in a lot > of ways is preferable. > > cheers, > > dave > -- Favio Masulli y Becker Contact: 07840 185 746 MSN : protoolz@hotmail.co.uk From gewang at CS.Princeton.EDU Fri Oct 14 11:30:22 2005 From: gewang at CS.Princeton.EDU (Ge Wang) Date: Fri Oct 14 11:30:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ablton live emulation In-Reply-To: <32294.193.203.82.226.1129302464.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> References: <1129296259.12214.61.camel@dhin> <28516.1129299399@www41.gmx.net> <32294.193.203.82.226.1129302464.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: Greetings Favio, Dave, and all, Nick Collins and Alan Blackwell recently published a paper "The Programming Language as a Musical Instrument", which put forth a comparison/contrast of Ableton Live to ChucK (the latter a text-based audio programming language that, among other things, can be programmed "on-the-fly", or live). A well-written and fun read, and perhaps relevant to the subject at hand. The paper: http://www.cus.cam.ac.uk/~nc272/papers/pdfs/proglangasmusicinstr.pdf The chuck: http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ I've also included Nick's original post to TOPLAP below. Best, Ge! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:14:15 +0100 From: Nick Collins Reply-To: livecode@slab.org To: livecode@slab.org Subject: [livecode] ChucK vs Ableton Live hi all, Alan Blackwell and I wrote a paper on 'The Programming Language as a Musical Instrument' from the perspective of human computer interaction, which I've made public here in case anyone is curious: http://www.cus.cam.ac.uk/~nc272/papers/pdfs/proglangasmusicinstr.pdf It's for the Psychology of Programming Interest Group conference at the end of this month where Alan is presenting it and will hopefully show Ade's TOPLAP video on our behalf. btw, I contributed the central parts waffling about laptop music, live coding history, and the ChucK (pre Audicle) vs Ableton Live analysis, plus a bit at the end about maintenance. All the rest is Alan's hard work. It's written for HCI people so might be a bit entry level on music issues for some points. best, N From phil at rephil.org Fri Oct 14 11:47:14 2005 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Fri Oct 14 11:47:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: professional audio measurement with linux??? In-Reply-To: <200510141409.j9EE9wsr006251@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200510141409.j9EE9wsr006251@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <33177.130.179.26.225.1129304834.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> > From: sonicx > i was wondering if it is possible,and usuable, to make precise pressure > and frequency messurements using linux. ie. to test high-end speakers.i > somehow guess so,but what do i need? can i use my > mic+soundcard+alsa+somemeasurementproggi ? This sort of measurement is as much of an art as a science; if I were you and wanted to get pretty serious about it, I'd look into measurement mics before I got too hung up on the software. Earthworks M30BX is about $900, but there are some less expensive solutions. A Shure SM-81, while not strictly a measurement mic, will work pretty well in lots of cases. I haven't seen them used for much less that $400 lately. :( You want the measurement mic to be the best thing in the chain -- a good mic on a cheap soundcard is better than a great soundcard with a poor mic. As to software, I don't know about preset solutions -- sorry. If you really want to get into it, fftw, gnuplot, and octave are all tools for rolling your own -- and it's a great way to really learn what you're doing. But be careful -- when your ears and your measurements disagree, go with your ears. Phil Mendelsohn (former mastering engineer, AES member, and audio boffin.) -- Dept. of Mathematics, 342 Machray Hall U. of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3T 2N2 Office: 446 Machray Hall, 204-474-6470 http://www.rephil.org/ phil at rephil dot org From emillo at libero.it Fri Oct 14 11:57:02 2005 From: emillo at libero.it (Emiliano Grilli) Date: Fri Oct 14 12:07:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ablton live emulation In-Reply-To: <6703.1129303601@www41.gmx.net> References: <32294.193.203.82.226.1129302464.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <6703.1129303601@www41.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20051014155702.GA25761@emillo.net> venerd?, 14 ottobre 2005 alle 17:26:41, Favio@gmx.net ha scritto: > I dont get it, I dont know half the names you just told me. > > So, what should I look for as an absolute beginner? no one mentioned it so far... but frewheeling is also a very fun application for live performances: http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/ There are also videos that you can watch to see what freewheeling can do (it's basically a looping sampler) HTH Ciao -- Emiliano Grilli Linux user #209089 http://www.emillo.net From sonicx_ at gmx.net Fri Oct 14 14:22:25 2005 From: sonicx_ at gmx.net (sonicx) Date: Fri Oct 14 12:23:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] professional audio measurement with linux (?) -- a conclusion -and a minor problem with jack In-Reply-To: <33177.130.179.26.225.1129304834.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> References: <200510141409.j9EE9wsr006251@roar.music.columbia.edu> <33177.130.179.26.225.1129304834.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> Message-ID: <434FF761.6050509@gmx.net> thank you,too some software ideas i already got. this would be using jaaa with jack. compilation is a bit tricky but i got it installed now - well it doesnt work,but its looks like it should =) so i guess my jack config is still faulty.thanks for the info mics - as with the opensource software i can now go and spend my money on a nice measurement microphone and then give them something for their nice proggi,if i get it to work =). i guess i wont be able to afford a 900 bucks mic for a start but, i guess 500 will me a must. as a sound card i use an audigy zs pl/pro,i know i know,a "windows-card" ,but as far as now i have made pretty good experience with it since latest alsa,much bang for the buck-of course id prefer the rme- but i guess so far my questions have been answered: i will go with my soundcar,buy a nice mic,and use the opensource solution andrew suggested. thank you 2 very much so far. i will no go on fighting my jackd,to get the jaaa running.btw i tried to compile it against my 64bit sys,the clbla libraries it needs too - maybe that is why it wont work yet,as jaa shows up in my qjackctl. but qjackctl still isnt able to set for example hw:0.4 to 8channel 96khz capture-which it should,and some similar nastyness when dealing with channels of hw:0.4 (the hd-device).maybe mr. gaydenko has some idea here to =). mfg sonicx Phil Mendelsohn wrote: >>From: sonicx >> >> > > > >>i was wondering if it is possible,and usuable, to make precise pressure >>and frequency messurements using linux. ie. to test high-end speakers.i >>somehow guess so,but what do i need? can i use my >>mic+soundcard+alsa+somemeasurementproggi ? >> >> > >This sort of measurement is as much of an art as a science; if I were you >and wanted to get pretty serious about it, I'd look into measurement mics >before I got too hung up on the software. Earthworks M30BX is about $900, >but there are some less expensive solutions. A Shure SM-81, while not >strictly a measurement mic, will work pretty well in lots of cases. I >haven't seen them used for much less that $400 lately. :( > >You want the measurement mic to be the best thing in the chain -- a good >mic on a cheap soundcard is better than a great soundcard with a poor mic. > >As to software, I don't know about preset solutions -- sorry. If you >really want to get into it, fftw, gnuplot, and octave are all tools for >rolling your own -- and it's a great way to really learn what you're >doing. > >But be careful -- when your ears and your measurements disagree, go with >your ears. > >Phil Mendelsohn >(former mastering engineer, AES member, and audio boffin.) > > > From dave at pawfal.org Fri Oct 14 12:27:14 2005 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Fri Oct 14 12:27:23 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ablton live emulation In-Reply-To: <6703.1129303601@www41.gmx.net> References: <32294.193.203.82.226.1129302464.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <6703.1129303601@www41.gmx.net> Message-ID: <43256.193.203.82.226.1129307234.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> > I dont get it, I dont know half the names you just told me. sorry, forgot to add the links :) pd: http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html http://puredata.info/ supercollider: http://www.audiosynth.com/ > So, what should I look for as an absolute beginner? well, I mentioned those apps as examples of what I've seen people using for performance in linux, but pd is more suited for the beginner - supercollider is often seen as more complicated as you have to use smalltalk (an object orientated language) to use it. as smalltalk was originally designed for teaching children to program it is suitable for beginners but maybe not what you are looking for. for a more traditional setup with the normal combination of synths, samplers and sequencers there are plenty of apps to choose from: http://opensourcemusic.info http://sound.condorow.net/ and as for a controller sequencer for a live setup, I'd recommend seq24: http://www.filter24.org/seq24/ which is developed with live performance in mind, with a clear simple interface. cheers, dave From a at gaydenko.com Fri Oct 14 12:40:29 2005 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Fri Oct 14 12:40:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] professional audio measurement with linux (?) -- a conclusion -and a minor problem with jack In-Reply-To: <434FF761.6050509@gmx.net> References: <200510141409.j9EE9wsr006251@roar.music.columbia.edu> <33177.130.179.26.225.1129304834.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <434FF761.6050509@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200510142040.30034@goldspace.net> [OT] I don't see any reason to get mic more expensive than 50-70 USD (for example, ECM8000) - I mean _measurement_ mic. Andrew ======= On Friday 14 October 2005 22:22, sonicx wrote: ======= ... i guess i wont be able to afford a 900 bucks mic for a start but, i guess 500 will me a must From dave at pawfal.org Fri Oct 14 12:41:08 2005 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Fri Oct 14 12:41:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ablton live emulation In-Reply-To: <43256.193.203.82.226.1129307234.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> References: <32294.193.203.82.226.1129302464.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <6703.1129303601@www41.gmx.net> <43256.193.203.82.226.1129307234.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: <40779.193.203.82.226.1129308068.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> I'd actually really like to hear about other pieces of free software people on the list have used for live performance, the needs are quite different to other forms of music making. cheers, dave From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Oct 14 13:16:25 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri Oct 14 13:16:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] professional audio measurement with linux (?) -- a conclusion -and a minor problem with jack In-Reply-To: <200510142040.30034@goldspace.net> References: <200510141409.j9EE9wsr006251@roar.music.columbia.edu> <33177.130.179.26.225.1129304834.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <434FF761.6050509@gmx.net> <200510142040.30034@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <20051014191625.56e6b6b9@mango.fruits.de> On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:40:29 +0400 Andrew Gaydenko wrote: > [OT] I don't see any reason to get mic more expensive than > 50-70 USD (for example, ECM8000) - I mean _measurement_ mic. I always wondered (due to pretty much non existing experience with mic'ing stuff) why measurement mics aren't used for recording vocals and instruments more? Is the color that's being added by expensive special purpose intrument/vocal mics the reason? Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From m.hatzold at web.de Fri Oct 14 13:21:31 2005 From: m.hatzold at web.de (mh) Date: Fri Oct 14 13:21:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] software analysing rhythm Message-ID: <434FE91B.9030906@web.de> Hi, I recently read about a software which analyses a wave file and then is able to generate a rhythm pattern out of it. Unfortunately I have not bookmarked it, and I do not remember in which forum or on which mailing list I read about it. Do you have any idea about the software I am talking? michaa From iainduncan at telus.net Fri Oct 14 14:46:12 2005 From: iainduncan at telus.net (Iain Duncan) Date: Fri Oct 14 14:47:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ablton live emulation In-Reply-To: <6703.1129303601@www41.gmx.net> References: <32294.193.203.82.226.1129302464.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <6703.1129303601@www41.gmx.net> Message-ID: <434FFCF4.7080100@telus.net> > I dont get it, I dont know half the names you just told me. > > So, what should I look for as an absolute beginner? > > PD (that one i heard of at uni) or supercollider? I would say PD with csound running inside it. The new csound5 api object for PD is hella cool. Iain From ico at fuse.net Fri Oct 14 14:49:39 2005 From: ico at fuse.net (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Fri Oct 14 14:49:50 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Somewhat OT]: Does anyone have a nice lenghty article on audio under Linux in German? Message-ID: <20051014184944.FXZR25752.gx5.fuse.net@64BitBadass> I guess the title says it all. The critical aspect of this plea is that the article is supposed to be in German, is as lengthy as possible, and preferably recent. Topic can be anything that has to do with Linux and audio-related software/hardware/general topics. Naturally, I am hoping to obtain a copy via e-mail, so I guess having it freely distributable also is an important aspect. :-) Oh, and of course, I already checked the usual places, including Dave's "the one page," but unfortunately a number of links appear to be dead... I would greatly appreciate any help I can get in this matter! Best wishes, Ivica Ico Bukvic, composer & multimedia sculptor http://meowing.ccm.uc.edu/~ico/ From brad at sonaural.com Fri Oct 14 15:13:23 2005 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Fri Oct 14 15:13:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] professional audio measurement with linux (?) -- a conclusion -and a minor problem with jack In-Reply-To: <20051014191625.56e6b6b9@mango.fruits.de> References: <200510141409.j9EE9wsr006251@roar.music.columbia.edu> <33177.130.179.26.225.1129304834.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <434FF761.6050509@gmx.net> <200510142040.30034@goldspace.net> <20051014191625.56e6b6b9@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <43500353.5080608@sonaural.com> Florian Schmidt wrote: >On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:40:29 +0400 >Andrew Gaydenko wrote: > > > >>[OT] I don't see any reason to get mic more expensive than >>50-70 USD (for example, ECM8000) - I mean _measurement_ mic. >> >> it all depends on what you need to do and how accurate you want to be! > >I always wondered (due to pretty much non existing experience with >mic'ing stuff) why measurement mics aren't used for recording vocals and >instruments more? Is the color that's being added by expensive special >purpose intrument/vocal mics the reason? > > nail on the head. Because mics have widely varying characteristics, some lend themselves more favorable for specific recording tasks than others. On the other hand, you can use a mic that has been often used for a particular purpose (say a U87 for voice or a 421 for toms) and use it differently to obtain a different sound than known in the industry. Usually comes down to personal taste. And, more often when in the business, it's what you know to get the job done on time (e.g. recording commercials == not a lot of time to experiment!) -- Brad Fuller (408) 799-6124 ** Sonaural Audio Studios ** (408) 799-6123 West San Jose (408) 799-6124 Cambrian ________________________________ Hear us online: www.Sonaural.com See me on O'Reilly: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/2184 From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Fri Oct 14 18:05:48 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Fri Oct 14 18:06:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] professional audio measurement with linux (?) -- a conclusion -and a minor problem with jack In-Reply-To: <43500353.5080608@sonaural.com> References: <200510141409.j9EE9wsr006251@roar.music.columbia.edu> <33177.130.179.26.225.1129304834.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <434FF761.6050509@gmx.net> <200510142040.30034@goldspace.net> <20051014191625.56e6b6b9@mango.fruits.de> <43500353.5080608@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <43502BBC.1060601@walescomputers.co.uk> Yep You can set a certain mic for a vocalist and they will shine vocaly. Part of your skill is hearing a vocal and thinking of a nice mic, and not always the most expensive mic is used. Cheers Bob Brad Fuller wrote: > Florian Schmidt wrote: > >> On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:40:29 +0400 >> Andrew Gaydenko wrote: >> >> >> >>> [OT] I don't see any reason to get mic more expensive than >>> 50-70 USD (for example, ECM8000) - I mean _measurement_ mic. >>> > > it all depends on what you need to do and how accurate you want to be! > >> >> I always wondered (due to pretty much non existing experience with >> mic'ing stuff) why measurement mics aren't used for recording vocals and >> instruments more? Is the color that's being added by expensive special >> purpose intrument/vocal mics the reason? >> >> > nail on the head. > Because mics have widely varying characteristics, some lend themselves > more favorable for specific recording tasks than others. On the other > hand, you can use a mic that has been often used for a particular > purpose (say a U87 for voice or a 421 for toms) and use it differently > to obtain a different sound than known in the industry. Usually comes > down to personal taste. And, more often when in the business, it's what > you know to get the job done on time (e.g. recording commercials == not > a lot of time to experiment!) > Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From sonicx_ at gmx.net Fri Oct 14 21:42:03 2005 From: sonicx_ at gmx.net (sonicx) Date: Fri Oct 14 19:42:56 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] measurement: jaaa won`t work on my 64bit amd In-Reply-To: <43500353.5080608@sonaural.com> References: <200510141409.j9EE9wsr006251@roar.music.columbia.edu> <33177.130.179.26.225.1129304834.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <434FF761.6050509@gmx.net> <200510142040.30034@goldspace.net> <20051014191625.56e6b6b9@mango.fruits.de> <43500353.5080608@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <43505E6B.9030609@gmx.net> Hy again, sadly there is not much reference for jaaa, and it wont spit out any errors (regarding my problem). first off i thought it would work, but after a while i figured that it should have got a window,which it hasnt. no options make any difference,besides from giving errors if i set up a wrong device or such. just no window. i took a look at main.cc (i guess the .cc tell me this is ansi-c?) and i guessed that those X_blabla functions it uses to handle the windows dont work. so i guessed it might be the clxclient lib that i installed as it is needed that may be faulty (or are those "plain" X-calls?), but it compiled a 64bit and a 32bit version,both fine, and jaaa also compiles fine with both,but still no window... well not pure 32bit ,as my X11 includes are 64bit. and maybe not real 64bit too-i just changed the dirs in the Makefile to their 64bit equivalents, i dont know if i must activate other flags or so to compile to 64bit,besides that i dont know if any part of jaaa would benefit. well,many compiles-no working proggi.if someone has ideas - i would even _try_ coding them. i guess it would be possible to port jaaa into a nice kde application,but right now,and especially at this late time =), this would present some problems for me. although the jaaa itself shouldnt be to hard to port another windows system,from a first look-but what can i say,i never saw the program actually running =(. i dont really know where to start.i thought of putting some cheap debugging code into jaaa,telling me where exactly it stops. does jaaa run on 64bit machines? and i havent found but a single version of source (0.1.2),is there maybe a newer version around? i`d be willing to test and puzzle all the way =). mfg sonicx From ix at replic.net Fri Oct 14 20:29:11 2005 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Fri Oct 14 20:29:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] measurement: jaaa won`t work on my 64bit amd In-Reply-To: <43505E6B.9030609@gmx.net> References: <200510141409.j9EE9wsr006251@roar.music.columbia.edu> <33177.130.179.26.225.1129304834.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <434FF761.6050509@gmx.net> <200510142040.30034@goldspace.net> <20051014191625.56e6b6b9@mango.fruits.de> <43500353.5080608@sonaural.com> <43505E6B.9030609@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20051015002911.GC11971@replic.net> On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 01:42:03AM +0000, sonicx wrote: > Hy again, > sadly there is not much reference for jaaa, and it wont spit out any > errors (regarding my problem). first off i thought it would work, but > after a while i figured that it should have got a window,which it hasnt. > no options make any difference,besides from giving errors if i set up a > wrong device or such. just no window. i took a look at main.cc (i guess > the .cc tell me this is ansi-c?) and i guessed that those X_blabla > functions it uses to handle the windows dont work. so i guessed it might > be the clxclient lib that i installed as it is needed that may be faulty > (or are those "plain" X-calls?), but it compiled a 64bit and a 32bit > version,both fine, and jaaa also compiles fine with both,but still no > window... well not pure 32bit ,as my X11 includes are 64bit. and maybe > not real 64bit too-i just changed the dirs in the Makefile to their > 64bit equivalents, i dont know if i must activate other flags or so to > compile to 64bit,besides that i dont know if any part of jaaa would > benefit. > well,many compiles-no working proggi.if someone has ideas - i would even > _try_ coding them. i guess it would be possible to port jaaa into a nice > kde application,but right now,and especially at this late time =), this > would present some problems for me. although the jaaa itself shouldnt be > to hard to port another windows system,from a first look-but what can i > say,i never saw the program actually running =(. > i dont really know where to start.i thought of putting some cheap > debugging code into jaaa,telling me where exactly it stops. does jaaa > run on 64bit machines? yep. uses a ton of CPU though so i use pd GUi objects instead.. noticed in your header: Red Hat/1.4.3-3.0.7.centos.1 . could be due to redhat breakage..i know they used to like to tweak out their kernel and libc..might want to try something else.. and i havent found but a single version of source > (0.1.2),is there maybe a newer version around? i`d be willing to test > and puzzle all the way =). > mfg > sonicx From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 23:30:01 2005 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Oct 14 23:30:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ablton live emulation In-Reply-To: <434FFCF4.7080100@telus.net> References: <32294.193.203.82.226.1129302464.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <6703.1129303601@www41.gmx.net> <434FFCF4.7080100@telus.net> Message-ID: On 10/15/05, Iain Duncan wrote: > > I dont get it, I dont know half the names you just told me. > > > > So, what should I look for as an absolute beginner? > > > > PD (that one i heard of at uni) or supercollider? > > I would say PD with csound running inside it. The new csound5 api object > for PD is hella cool. > > Iain > > > I'd say Om http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/ and freewheeling but no shock there. I find PD scary though ;-) Loki From jesse at essej.net Sat Oct 15 01:20:13 2005 From: jesse at essej.net (Jesse Chappell) Date: Sat Oct 15 01:20:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ablton live emulation In-Reply-To: <40779.193.203.82.226.1129308068.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> References: <32294.193.203.82.226.1129302464.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <6703.1129303601@www41.gmx.net> <43256.193.203.82.226.1129307234.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <40779.193.203.82.226.1129308068.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: On 10/14/05, Dave Griffiths wrote: > I'd actually really like to hear about other pieces of free software > people on the list have used for live performance, the needs are quite > different to other forms of music making. Well, another live looping sampler is SooperLooper, http://essej.net/sooperlooper which resembles the functionality of the echoplex digital pro (edp). It is especially good for creating and messing with looping soundscape created on the fly from live inputs. [disclaimer: i develop it more than i use it ;] jlc From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Sat Oct 15 05:17:53 2005 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Sat Oct 15 05:19:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ablton live emulation In-Reply-To: <40779.193.203.82.226.1129308068.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> References: <32294.193.203.82.226.1129302464.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <6703.1129303601@www41.gmx.net> <43256.193.203.82.226.1129307234.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <40779.193.203.82.226.1129308068.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: <1129367873.12715.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2005-14-10 at 17:41 +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote: > I'd actually really like to hear about other pieces of free software > people on the list have used for live performance, the needs are quite > different to other forms of music making. > > cheers, > > dave Om, SooperLooper, and Seq24, all LASHified and synced via Jack Transport. Seq24 needs a bit of work on being usable from MIDI controllers like SL though (for triggering recording etc) -DR- From hans at fugal.net Sat Oct 15 09:53:05 2005 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Sat Oct 15 09:52:50 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] software analysing rhythm In-Reply-To: <434FE91B.9030906@web.de> References: <434FE91B.9030906@web.de> Message-ID: <435109C1.8020803@fugal.net> mh wrote: > Hi, I recently read about a software which analyses a wave file and then > is able to generate a rhythm pattern out of it. > > Unfortunately I have not bookmarked it, and I do not remember in which > forum or on which mailing list I read about it. Do you have any idea > about the software I am talking? > > michaa > Not sure if this is what you were thinking of, but check out aubio http://aubio.piem.org/ From ce at christeck.de Sat Oct 15 10:38:51 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Oct 15 10:33:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] WhySynth DSSI softsynth In-Reply-To: <4460f00dae4efb2fb58adc6f5a5a68bc@jps.net> References: <3f184cda08a8f2e91dc446295423b505@jps.net> <200510091921.58789.ce@christeck.de> <4460f00dae4efb2fb58adc6f5a5a68bc@jps.net> Message-ID: <200510151638.51641.ce@christeck.de> Hi, just tested anew: > > * When [playing WhySynth] from a MIDI keyboard, there's an audible > > delay > > between releasing the key until the note gets cut off. > > Hmm, I haven't observed this on my end, except that it would > be expected if your output envelope mode is AASRR or ASRRR, or > even AAASR with a 'hold' shape on the last segment -- all of these > would appear to be delays before the note cut off. didn't notice it again; I guess you're right and I did choose patches with envelope seetings you mentioned above. Sorry for the traffic. > > * Pedal hold gets recognized, but notes are only held until I > > release the last note. This way I cannot hold a note via the pedal > > and tweak parameters. > > Hmm, I can't reproduce this either -- sustain works fine from both > vkeybd and my KX88 MIDI controller. ?I'm really curious if you would > have the same trouble with Xsynth-DSSI or hexter, as their sustain is > based on very similar, but not identical code, and are well tested. > Something else you could try would be to edit src/whysynth.h and > define Y_DEBUG to be YDB_NOTE, then recompile, watch stderr > as you run it and see if the note on/off and sustain CCs are reaching > the plugin in the correct sequence. I did, some lines you'll find attached. BTW: Zyn does behave the same: Hold is recognized as long as at least one note remains active, but hold is lost as soon as the last note gets released. Further thing: My pedal does not necessarily send Hold on as a value of 64 or 127 but as arbitrary values between 64 and 127. The jack is a multi jack, I can even connect a swell pedal to it and assign an arbitrary controller number. Best regards ce whysynth.so y_synth_control_change: got sustain control of 0 whysynth.so y_handle_event called with event type 10 whysynth.so y_synth_control_change: got sustain control of 87 whysynth.so y_handle_event called with event type 10 whysynth.so y_synth_control_change: got sustain control of 125 whysynth.so y_handle_event called with event type 10 whysynth.so y_synth_control_change: got sustain control of 127 whysynth.so y_handle_event called with event type 6 whysynth.so y_synth_alloc_voice: key 67 voice 0x80e4128 whysynth.so y_handle_event called with event type 6 whysynth.so y_synth_alloc_voice: key 65 voice 0x80e4ec8 whysynth.so y_handle_event called with event type 7 whysynth.so y_synth_note_off: key 67 rvel 0 voice 5 note id 42 whysynth.so y_handle_event called with event type 7 whysynth.so y_synth_note_off: key 65 rvel 0 voice 6 note id 43 whysynth.so y_handle_event called with event type 7 whysynth.so y_synth_note_off: key 72 rvel 0 voice 3 note id 35 whysynth.so y_handle_event called with event type 10 whysynth.so y_handle_event called with event type 10 whysynth.so y_synth_control_change: got sustain control of 0 From sonicx_ at gmx.net Sat Oct 15 13:50:51 2005 From: sonicx_ at gmx.net (sonicx) Date: Sat Oct 15 11:51:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] measurement: jaaa won`t work on my 64bit amd In-Reply-To: <20051015002911.GC11971@replic.net> References: <200510141409.j9EE9wsr006251@roar.music.columbia.edu> <33177.130.179.26.225.1129304834.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <434FF761.6050509@gmx.net> <200510142040.30034@goldspace.net> <20051014191625.56e6b6b9@mango.fruits.de> <43500353.5080608@sonaural.com> <43505E6B.9030609@gmx.net> <20051015002911.GC11971@replic.net> Message-ID: <4351417B.602@gmx.net> >noticed in your header: Red Hat/1.4.3-3.0.7.centos.1 . could be due to redhat >breakage..i know they used to like to tweak out their kernel and libc..might want to >try something else.. i dont really have a choice i guess - my gpu,a wildcat realizm, has only driver support for rhel3.4, so i got myself centos3.4 64bit. to mention: the driver sucks that damn well that it hardly may called "driver" its more like a test-module. well-i tried loading with other kernels-but no way.closed source of course... couldnt give any info if they had they told me... means im stuck,as the gpu ,besides the driver is pretty fine. and i dont have money do buy another of equivalent quality. i guess i ll have to keep trying-thanks thou...maybe ill go and find myself a binary version to try. but i guess ill take another look at the main.cc. mfg sonicx From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 12:10:54 2005 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Oct 15 12:10:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] just tried out lash Message-ID: <43512A0E.9000304@gmail.com> Hi I just compiled om with lash support. It seams to me that lash is the hugely missing piece of software that if generally supported would take linux audio to the next level (to say the least). But I'm wondering which other software is supported? I heard rumours about ZynAddSubFx and seq24... I guess for now this is cutting edge that needs to pulled out of cvs, patched and compiled by hand. But are there any plans as to when lash + lashified software will appear in say debian/unstable? Also what's the general atitude amongs developers towards lash? Should we start lobbying for the developers our pet software to implement lash support? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From xaero at inwind.it Sat Oct 15 12:18:23 2005 From: xaero at inwind.it (federico) Date: Sat Oct 15 12:19:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack doesn't see my digital I/Os Message-ID: <43512BCF.6040905@inwind.it> i used jack with my Echo Gina24 (which has 2 ins, 8 outs) since today, withous problems. just today i bought an ADAT I/O box (Fostex VC-8). in the Echo Mixer i can see, hear and control both analog and digital channels. but when i start jack, i only see two analog inputs, and eight analog outputs. where did my new digital channels go? if i force jack to use 10 input channels and 16 output channels (VC-8 has 8 ins and 8 outs), jack says: loading driver .. apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... hw:1|hw:1|256|2|44100|10|16|hwmon|hwmeter|soft-mode|32bit control device hw:1 configuring for 44100Hz, period = 256 frames, buffer = 2 periods ALSA: cannot set channel count to 10 for capture ALSA: cannot configure capture channel cannot load driver module alsa note: i have to set Gina24 to receive external clock from the ADAT box (its clock is 44.1k) in order to hear/capture the 8+8 digital channels. why jack doesn't see the new inputs? thanks in advance -- ciao Federico From xaero at inwind.it Sat Oct 15 12:29:19 2005 From: xaero at inwind.it (federico) Date: Sat Oct 15 12:30:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] just tried out lash In-Reply-To: <43512A0E.9000304@gmail.com> References: <43512A0E.9000304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43512E5F.9050808@inwind.it> Atte Andr? Jensen ha scritto: > Hi > > I just compiled om with lash support. It seams to me that lash is the > hugely missing piece of software that if generally supported would > take linux audio to the next level (to say the least). i just would love it! my typical setup, using both hw & sw synths, is: - qjackctl (with heavy audio & midi patching) :) - seq24 - another seq24 (maybe) - zynaddsubfx - hydrogen - jack-rack - ardour except for ardour, which is for the recording stage, re-creating the last setup of a project is a so-called pain-in-the-ass... > Also what's the general atitude amongs developers towards lash? Should > we start lobbying for the developers our pet software to implement > lash support? i think we should... :) -- ciao Federico From g.meurisse at laposte.net Sat Oct 15 11:13:19 2005 From: g.meurisse at laposte.net (Meurisse guillaume) Date: Sat Oct 15 12:36:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack doesn't see my digital I/Os In-Reply-To: <43512BCF.6040905@inwind.it> References: <43512BCF.6040905@inwind.it> Message-ID: <43511C8F.4070201@laposte.net> federico wrote: > i used jack with my Echo Gina24 (which has 2 ins, 8 outs) since today, > withous problems. > just today i bought an ADAT I/O box (Fostex VC-8). > in the Echo Mixer i can see, hear and control both analog and digital > channels. > but when i start jack, i only see two analog inputs, and eight analog > outputs. > where did my new digital channels go? Yours souncard digital in/output may me accessible with your h:1.1 if you want to use both 1,0 and 1,1 with jack you have to merge them using your .asound or asoundrc file. From xaero at inwind.it Sat Oct 15 12:40:03 2005 From: xaero at inwind.it (federico) Date: Sat Oct 15 12:41:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack doesn't see my digital I/Os In-Reply-To: <43512BCF.6040905@inwind.it> References: <43512BCF.6040905@inwind.it> Message-ID: <435130E3.6020200@inwind.it> federico ha scritto: > i used jack with my Echo Gina24 (which has 2 ins, 8 outs) since today, > withous problems. > just today i bought an ADAT I/O box (Fostex VC-8). > in the Echo Mixer i can see, hear and control both analog and digital > channels. > but when i start jack, i only see two analog inputs, and eight analog > outputs. > where did my new digital channels go? > > if i force jack to use 10 input channels and 16 output channels (VC-8 > has 8 ins and 8 outs), jack says: > > loading driver .. > apparent rate = 44100 > creating alsa driver ... > hw:1|hw:1|256|2|44100|10|16|hwmon|hwmeter|soft-mode|32bit > control device hw:1 hmmmmm.... i am an ignorant. i didn't know that digital interface is hw:1,1 and not hw:1,0... (just discovered it in /proc/asound!) i guess jack doesn't handle multiple soundcards... can work if i start two instances of jack? From xaero at inwind.it Sat Oct 15 12:41:33 2005 From: xaero at inwind.it (federico) Date: Sat Oct 15 12:42:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] just tried out lash In-Reply-To: <43512E5F.9050808@inwind.it> References: <43512A0E.9000304@gmail.com> <43512E5F.9050808@inwind.it> Message-ID: <4351313D.5030600@inwind.it> > my typical setup, using both hw & sw synths, is: > - qjackctl (with heavy audio & midi patching) :) > - seq24 > - another seq24 (maybe) > - zynaddsubfx > - hydrogen > - jack-rack > - ardour forgot to mention PD! From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Oct 15 12:46:47 2005 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Oct 15 12:45:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] just tried out lash In-Reply-To: <43512E5F.9050808@inwind.it> References: <43512A0E.9000304@gmail.com> <43512E5F.9050808@inwind.it> Message-ID: <20051015164647.GA8792@charly.SWORD> On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 06:29:19PM +0200, federico wrote: > my typical setup, using both hw & sw synths, is: > - qjackctl (with heavy audio & midi patching) :) ... > - jack-rack ... > except for ardour, which is for the recording stage, re-creating the > last setup of a project is a so-called pain-in-the-ass... For patching i would like to recommend Patchage instead of qjackctl. It allows to move modules arround for a better overview and supports LASH. http://om-synth.nongnu.org/patchage.html Om would be an alternative to jack-rack, less straightforward maybe, but much more flexible. Also with uptodate LASH support :) http://om-synth.nongnu.org/ --- Thorsten Wilms From xaero at inwind.it Sat Oct 15 12:52:27 2005 From: xaero at inwind.it (federico) Date: Sat Oct 15 12:53:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack doesn't see my digital I/Os In-Reply-To: <43511C8F.4070201@laposte.net> References: <43512BCF.6040905@inwind.it> <43511C8F.4070201@laposte.net> Message-ID: <435133CB.6000805@inwind.it> Meurisse guillaume ha scritto: > federico wrote: > >> i used jack with my Echo Gina24 (which has 2 ins, 8 outs) since >> today, withous problems. >> just today i bought an ADAT I/O box (Fostex VC-8). >> in the Echo Mixer i can see, hear and control both analog and digital >> channels. >> but when i start jack, i only see two analog inputs, and eight analog >> outputs. >> where did my new digital channels go? > > > Yours souncard digital in/output may me accessible with your h:1.1 > if you want to use both 1,0 and 1,1 with jack you have to merge them > using your .asound or asoundrc file. > i just send a reply to myself and read your message :) i cannot find an explanation on how to do this in the alsa manual. can you help me? i am experimenting with /etc/asound.conf (i deleted all ~/.asound*) but still not getting to work this. From roberts.noah at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 12:59:44 2005 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Sat Oct 15 12:59:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] measurement: jaaa won`t work on my 64bit amd In-Reply-To: <43505E6B.9030609@gmx.net> References: <200510141409.j9EE9wsr006251@roar.music.columbia.edu> <33177.130.179.26.225.1129304834.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <434FF761.6050509@gmx.net> <200510142040.30034@goldspace.net> <20051014191625.56e6b6b9@mango.fruits.de> <43500353.5080608@sonaural.com> <43505E6B.9030609@gmx.net> Message-ID: <567aa5f60510150959h42def287r5d907a26bd7741cc@mail.gmail.com> i took a look at main.cc (i guess > the .cc tell me this is ansi-c?) Actually, .cc usually means C++. Others include .cpp and .C JFYI, I know that doesn't help the problem at all... From reubenf at sonic.net Sat Oct 15 13:01:22 2005 From: reubenf at sonic.net (reubenf@sonic.net) Date: Sat Oct 15 13:01:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] buzz tracker In-Reply-To: <15373.216.239.124.38.1129149787.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> References: <15373.216.239.124.38.1129149787.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Message-ID: <7675.69.12.142.24.1129395682.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> I found a better step by step which actually works! No latency, good sound, smooth performance (mostly). Here's what I did (with links to the tutorial I found, and a quick loop I threw together to demonstrate how to make noise with it): http://flavor8.com/index.php/2005/10/15/buzz-tracker-on-linux/ > The only windows application I miss is buzz tracker > (www.buzzmachines.com). I know it is possible to run it under wine, but I > have had very little luck using that method (IME it is slow, and the sound > has latency problems.) From extremecs at yahoo.com Sat Oct 15 17:33:44 2005 From: extremecs at yahoo.com (October) Date: Sat Oct 15 17:33:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] onboard midi/joystick controller? In-Reply-To: <20051010033559.83260.qmail@web52311.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051015213345.13837.qmail@web52309.mail.yahoo.com> om: robin Date: Fri Oct 14 2005 - 15:05:45 EEST Clemens Ladisch wrote: > October wrote: > >>FATAL: Error inserting snd_mpu401 >>No such device > > > The snd-mpu401 doesn't actually check for the device; it loads even if > you've set the wrong port/irq. > > >>(running demudi 1.2.1) > > > I've heard that demudi has a bug that prevents the snd-mpu401 and > snd-virmidi modules from loading at all. > > > Regards, > Clemens > > > There is a new kernel, kernel-image-2.6.13-1-multimedia-386, in the Demudi testing repository, along with a matching alsa-modules package where snd-virmidi etc. are working. Repository: deb http://demudi.agnula.org/packages/demudi/ testing main robin --------------------------- Thanks guys! Anyway I tried the new kernel and alsa and this is what I get now... demudi:/home/overlord# modprobe snd-mpu401 FATAL: Error inserting snd_mpu401 (/lib/modules/2.6.13-1-multimedia-386/updates/alsa/drivers/mpu401/snd-mpu401.ko): No such device FATAL: Error running install command for snd_mpu401 Any ideas? Thanks in advance! Jon Hoskins ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In a world without walls who needs gates or windows? --unknown __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From xaero at inwind.it Sat Oct 15 17:32:38 2005 From: xaero at inwind.it (federico) Date: Sat Oct 15 17:33:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] .asoundrc - merging two soundcards Message-ID: <43517576.1070408@inwind.it> i want to merge my two devices (analog and digital) to be able to use them together in jack/qjackctl. my card configuration is: hw:1,0 -> 2 in, 8 out hw:1,1 -> 8 in, 8 out which is an asymmetrical "look". so i created a /etc/asound.conf file (see below). but when i start jack, it says: ALSA: mmap-based access is not possible for the capture stream of this audio interface ALSA: cannot configure capture channel this is because i used a null pcm with the asym plugin (i think). anyone knows how to workaround this? here is my asound.conf: pcm.!default { type plug slave sl44100 } ctl.!default { type hw card 1 } pcm_slave.sl44100 { pcm "hw:1,0" channels 2 rate 44100 } pcm.Gina_Capture { type asym playback { pcm { type null } } capture { pcm { type hw card 1 device 0 } } } pcm.Gina_Playback { type asym playback { pcm { type hw card 1 device 0 } } capture { pcm { type null } } } pcm.Fostex_ADAT { type hw card 1 device 1 } pcm.multi { type multi slaves.a.pcm "Gina_Playback" slaves.a.channels 8 slaves.b.pcm "Gina_Capture" slaves.b.channels 2 slaves.z.pcm "Fostex_ADAT" slaves.z.channels 8 bindings.0.slave a bindings.0.channel 0 bindings.1.slave a bindings.1.channel 1 bindings.2.slave a bindings.2.channel 2 bindings.3.slave a bindings.3.channel 3 bindings.4.slave a bindings.4.channel 4 bindings.5.slave a bindings.5.channel 5 bindings.6.slave a bindings.6.channel 6 bindings.7.slave a bindings.7.channel 7 bindings.8.slave z bindings.8.channel 0 bindings.9.slave z bindings.9.channel 1 bindings.10.slave z bindings.10.channel 2 bindings.11.slave z bindings.11.channel 3 bindings.12.slave z bindings.12.channel 4 bindings.13.slave z bindings.13.channel 5 bindings.14.slave z bindings.14.channel 6 bindings.15.slave z bindings.15.channel 7 bindings.16.slave b bindings.16.channel 0 bindings.17.slave b bindings.17.channel 1 } ctl.multi { type hw card 1 } pcm.ttable { type route slave.pcm "multi" ttable.0.0 1 ttable.1.1 1 ttable.2.2 1 ttable.3.3 1 ttable.4.4 1 ttable.5.5 1 ttable.6.6 1 ttable.7.7 1 ttable.8.8 1 ttable.9.9 1 ttable.10.10 1 ttable.11.11 1 ttable.12.12 1 ttable.13.13 1 ttable.14.14 1 ttable.15.15 1 ttable.16.16 1 ttable.17.17 1 } ctl.ttable { type hw card 1 } From xaero at inwind.it Sat Oct 15 17:50:05 2005 From: xaero at inwind.it (federico) Date: Sat Oct 15 17:51:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] .asoundrc - merging two soundcards In-Reply-To: <43517576.1070408@inwind.it> References: <43517576.1070408@inwind.it> Message-ID: <4351798D.9000502@inwind.it> federico ha scritto: > i want to merge my two devices (analog and digital) to be able to use > them together in jack/qjackctl. > my card configuration is: > hw:1,0 -> 2 in, 8 out > hw:1,1 -> 8 in, 8 out however i can also use only the first two analog in/outs. should... with this configuration (10 channels -> 2 analog, 8 digital) jack starts fine, but crashes after few seconds: jackd 0.99.0 Copyright 2001-2003 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details loading driver .. apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... ttable|ttable|256|2|44100|0|0|hwmon|hwmeter|soft-mode|32bit configuring for 44100Hz, period = 256 frames, buffer = 2 periods 23:46:56.185 Server configuration saved to "/home/xaero/.jackdrc". 23:46:56.185 Statistics reset. 23:46:56.190 Client activated. 23:46:56.192 Audio connection change. 23:46:56.193 Audio connection graph change. ALSA: poll time out, polled for 8714344 usecs 23:47:02.885 XRUN callback (1). jackd watchdog: timeout - killing jackd 23:47:04.179 Client deactivated. 23:47:04.180 JACK was stopped successfully. 23:47:04.181 Shutdown notification. zombified - calling shutdown handler cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Connection reset by peer) cannot send request type 7 to server cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Broken pipe) here is my asound.conf: pcm.!default { type plug slave sl44100 } ctl.!default { type hw card 1 } pcm_slave.sl44100 { pcm "hw:1,0" channels 2 rate 44100 } pcm.Gina { type hw card 1 device 0 } pcm.Fostex_ADAT { type hw card 1 device 1 } pcm.multi { type multi slaves.b.pcm "Gina" slaves.b.channels 2 slaves.z.pcm "Fostex_ADAT" slaves.z.channels 8 bindings.0.slave z bindings.0.channel 0 bindings.1.slave z bindings.1.channel 1 bindings.2.slave z bindings.2.channel 2 bindings.3.slave z bindings.3.channel 3 bindings.4.slave z bindings.4.channel 4 bindings.5.slave z bindings.5.channel 5 bindings.6.slave z bindings.6.channel 6 bindings.7.slave z bindings.7.channel 7 bindings.8.slave b bindings.8.channel 0 bindings.9.slave b bindings.9.channel 1 } ctl.multi { type hw card 1 } pcm.ttable { type route slave.pcm "multi" ttable.0.0 1 ttable.1.1 1 ttable.2.2 1 ttable.3.3 1 ttable.4.4 1 ttable.5.5 1 ttable.6.6 1 ttable.7.7 1 ttable.8.8 1 ttable.9.9 1 } ctl.ttable { type hw card 1 } From reuben.m at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 19:39:57 2005 From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin) Date: Sat Oct 15 19:40:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack doesn't see my digital I/Os In-Reply-To: <435133CB.6000805@inwind.it> References: <43512BCF.6040905@inwind.it> <43511C8F.4070201@laposte.net> <435133CB.6000805@inwind.it> Message-ID: I haven't checked up on alsa developement lately, so alsa devs may have found a hack to get around this limitation, but I don't think you can use these two subdevices at the same time. In otherwards I don't think you'll be able to set up an asoundrc file to combine the subdevices in one virtual device. The reason for this is that both subdevices use the same controller. The controller can only controll one subdevice at a time, so there is no way you can use both. -Reuben On 10/15/05, federico wrote: > Meurisse guillaume ha scritto: > > > federico wrote: > > > >> i used jack with my Echo Gina24 (which has 2 ins, 8 outs) since > >> today, withous problems. > >> just today i bought an ADAT I/O box (Fostex VC-8). > >> in the Echo Mixer i can see, hear and control both analog and digital > >> channels. > >> but when i start jack, i only see two analog inputs, and eight analog > >> outputs. > >> where did my new digital channels go? > > > > > > Yours souncard digital in/output may me accessible with your h:1.1 > > if you want to use both 1,0 and 1,1 with jack you have to merge them > > using your .asound or asoundrc file. > > > i just send a reply to myself and read your message :) > i cannot find an explanation on how to do this in the alsa manual. > can you help me? i am experimenting with /etc/asound.conf (i deleted all > ~/.asound*) but still not getting to work this. > From dubphil at free.fr Sat Oct 15 21:50:46 2005 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Sat Oct 15 19:51:52 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] just tried out lash In-Reply-To: <20051015164647.GA8792@charly.SWORD> References: <43512A0E.9000304@gmail.com> <43512E5F.9050808@inwind.it> <20051015164647.GA8792@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <59800.192.168.0.2.1129427446.squirrel@192.168.0.2> > Om would be an alternative to jack-rack, less straightforward maybe, > but much more flexible. Also with uptodate LASH support :) > http://om-synth.nongnu.org/ > I have found ecasound to be a powerful alternative to jack-rack and even ardour. Totally controlable by midi, you never have to watch to the computer screen, quite useful when you are in live ;) http://www.eca.cx/ecasound/ Regards Philippe From dubphil at free.fr Sat Oct 15 22:04:35 2005 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Sat Oct 15 20:06:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] just tried out lash In-Reply-To: <59800.192.168.0.2.1129427446.squirrel@192.168.0.2> References: <43512A0E.9000304@gmail.com> <43512E5F.9050808@inwind.it> <20051015164647.GA8792@charly.SWORD> <59800.192.168.0.2.1129427446.squirrel@192.168.0.2> Message-ID: <60716.192.168.0.2.1129428275.squirrel@192.168.0.2> >> Om would be an alternative to jack-rack, less straightforward maybe, >> but much more flexible. Also with uptodate LASH support :) >> http://om-synth.nongnu.org/ >> > > I have found ecasound to be a powerful alternative to jack-rack and even > ardour. Totally controlable by midi, you never have to watch to the > computer screen, quite useful when you are in live ;) > http://www.eca.cx/ecasound/ > > Regards > > Philippe > > > Sorry, I believed I was replying to the thread "abelton live emulation"... Regards Philippe From torbenh at gmx.de Sun Oct 16 02:43:11 2005 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Sun Oct 16 02:25:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 09:33:07AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/13/05, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 16:59 +0200, Cesare wrote: > > > I think that a clean solution to host vst plugins (at least the effects) > > > could be this : taking the wine approach (and maybe some code) and just > > > implement those calls that are relevant to audio plugins (file access > > > for loading and saving presets, math libraries etc.) without handling > > > graphics at all.We have the info for the effect parameters in the dll > > > and we can provide a standard interface (like the simpler vst effects in > > > cubase) to tweak parameters. > > > > > > Is this possible? > > > > absolutely not possible. > > > > I'll go even a bit further. VSts are Windows programs and they should > just work under Wine. Paul & Torben's time is probably better spent > elsewhere. > > I'd like to see every Linux Audio user interested in this subject > start pressing the Wine folks to support this themselves. Let's pay > attention to the Windows apps that can host VSTs and VSTi's. Acid Pro > is a commercial one that comes to mind. Fruity Loops, etc. There's got > to be free VST loaders out there for Windows. Older versions of Acid > install and run fine under Wine but do not handle VSTs very well. The > new versions don't install or run. > > Putting together yet another hack outside of Wine that will run for 1 > year and then die when gcc5 comes out would be disappointing. Let's > get the Wine folks to support this. > > Please enter apps in the Wine AppDB and enter test results in Wine's > Bugzilla. If there are enough of us entering 100's of apps then > they'll pay attention. Maybe not fast, but I believe they will. i still believe, that the current xfst approach is a clean solution. it does no more use the libwinelib hack. its a wine app which uses jack natively. i mailed it to several people who reported success IIRC. i mailed it to them because i dont have the time to open a sourceforge-project etc. for it. i thought that some of them would invest the time to make it available publicly. (paul, did you actually test it ? i know you dont have the time either, and as long as we dont provide some linker wrapper its not COMPLETE. ) but hey: it does not use the "pull wine into an app not knowing wine" approach. i dont have the time to (use my computer / write mail) very often. so someone should step forward and try to get xfst outthere soon. with webpage, README etc. xfst is a wine (not win) app which loads vsts and binds them to jack ports. i upload my current state to http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.3.tar.gz please report success or failure in this thread. my response latency is very high. i am very sorry that galan cant load vsts currently. but hell it should load dssi plugs. -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From extremecs at yahoo.com Sun Oct 16 02:32:39 2005 From: extremecs at yahoo.com (October) Date: Sun Oct 16 02:32:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Creative Labs X-Fi Pro? Message-ID: <20051016063239.72358.qmail@web52303.mail.yahoo.com> Ran across this card in one of my gaming forums. Looks pretty impressive, even from an audio point of view... http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q4/soundblaster-x-fi/index.x?pg=1 Anyone tried one for linux audio? Anyone read any linux oriented reviews, etc. of this card?s Best, Jon Hoskins ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In a world without walls who needs gates or windows? --unknown __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From a at gaydenko.com Sun Oct 16 03:43:35 2005 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Sun Oct 16 03:43:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CD-drive adjustment for ripping Message-ID: <200510161143.35744@goldspace.net> Hi! Are there some tips how to ajust CD-drive (bios, kernel, ...) to get the best ripping accuracy? I mean cdparanoia/libcdio-paranoia using. paranoia's not-obvious tips are interesting too :-) Thanks! Andrew From phanatic at volny.cz Sun Oct 16 04:53:13 2005 From: phanatic at volny.cz (Ctirad Fertr) Date: Sun Oct 16 04:49:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Creative Labs X-Fi Pro? In-Reply-To: <20051016063239.72358.qmail@web52303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051016063239.72358.qmail@web52303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200510161053.13602.phanatic@volny.cz> Dne ned?le 16 ??jna 2005 08:32 October napsal(a): > Ran across this card in one of my gaming forums. > Looks pretty impressive, even from an audio point of > view... > > http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q4/soundblaster-x-fi/index.x?pg=1 It?s not impressive at all. X-Fi is notnihg more than Audigy2/4 with better DSP and a lot of hype. Regards, Ctirad From bengan at sunet.se Sun Oct 16 05:21:39 2005 From: bengan at sunet.se (Bengt =?iso-8859-1?B?R/ZyZOlu?=) Date: Sun Oct 16 05:21:52 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Creative Labs X-Fi Pro? In-Reply-To: <20051016063239.72358.qmail@web52303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051016063239.72358.qmail@web52303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051016092139.GA9238@sunet.se> On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 11:32:39PM -0700, October wrote: > Ran across this card in one of my gaming forums. > Looks pretty impressive, even from an audio point of > view... > > http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q4/soundblaster-x-fi/index.x?pg=1 > > Anyone tried one for linux audio? Anyone read any > linux oriented reviews, etc. of this card?s Best thing is to have a look at the ALSA site (or mail archive) for this. They have had a small discussion about this. Follow this thread. It is not very promising though. http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=mlists&forum_id=1752&group_id=27464&atid=0&words=X-Fi&Search=Search Especially this one: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=12720163 regards, - Bengan ----------------------------------------------------------- - KTHNOC/SUNET/NORDUnet | http://www.sunet.se/~bengan | 08-7906586 - From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 06:26:32 2005 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Oct 16 06:26:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Creative Labs X-Fi Pro? In-Reply-To: <20051016092139.GA9238@sunet.se> References: <20051016063239.72358.qmail@web52303.mail.yahoo.com> <20051016092139.GA9238@sunet.se> Message-ID: On 10/16/05, Bengt G?rd?n wrote: > On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 11:32:39PM -0700, October wrote: > > Ran across this card in one of my gaming forums. > > Looks pretty impressive, even from an audio point of > > view... > > > > http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q4/soundblaster-x-fi/index.x?pg=1 > > > > Anyone tried one for linux audio? Anyone read any > > linux oriented reviews, etc. of this card?s The top of the range of these seem insanely expensive, you could get a real card for that money... ;-) I.e an m-audio, echo, terratech, esi, etc I'd go an oldish second hand good brand card over that any day. Though i do actually have a SB live now, but for $10 it was a good deal. Sounds pretty bad compared to my griffin imic though. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Oct 16 06:42:27 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Oct 16 06:42:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi definition In-Reply-To: <18b65aac0510131447n6d638a82t8ba92184077e62bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <434ED2CA.1030200@web.de> <18b65aac0510131447n6d638a82t8ba92184077e62bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200510161142.28508.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 13 October 2005 22:47, Brett W. McCoy was like: > Here's on to get you started: > > http://www.hinton-instruments.co.uk/midi/midicode.html Thanks for that link. Hmm doesn't look like Graham is likely to be releasing AudioCalc as Open Source any time soon. Anyone know of any Free Audio Calculator code? A python plugin for gnumeric would probably do the trick? -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Oct 16 06:49:49 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Oct 16 06:49:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] onboard midi/joystick controller? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200510161149.50688.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 14 October 2005 09:10, Clemens Ladisch was like: > I've heard that demudi has a bug that prevents the snd-mpu401 and > snd-virmidi modules from loading at all. I have snd_mpu401_uart loaded, which I had to add to /etc/modules as it won't load on boot. may have better luck with the 2.6.13 kernel ? -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sun Oct 16 10:27:24 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sun Oct 16 08:30:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] professional audio measurement with linux (?) -- a conclusion -and a minor problem with jack In-Reply-To: <20051014191625.56e6b6b9@mango.fruits.de> (Florian Schmidt's message of "Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:16:25 +0200") References: <200510141409.j9EE9wsr006251@roar.music.columbia.edu> <33177.130.179.26.225.1129304834.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <434FF761.6050509@gmx.net> <200510142040.30034@goldspace.net> <20051014191625.56e6b6b9@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <87mzl9pmer.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Florian Schmidt writes: > why (are) measurement mics [..] (not) used for recording vocals and > instruments more? The way I understand it, is because most audio people are not engineers and they use their ears to listen. The colorization of certain mics may distort the sound in a pleasant way and they judge it by that. I would use a measurement mic to record anything (if I could afford it) and then rather process the signal afterwards. This would be the epitome of high fidelity audio engineering, or so is my understanding. > Is the color that's being added by expensive special purpose > intrument/vocal mics the reason? So it seems. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From tobbe at nyvalls.se Sun Oct 16 08:40:17 2005 From: tobbe at nyvalls.se (tobbe@nyvalls.se) Date: Sun Oct 16 08:40:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> Message-ID: <43524A31.5040801@nyvalls.se> torbenh@gmx.de skrev: >On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 09:33:07AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > >>On 10/13/05, Paul Davis wrote: >> >> >>>On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 16:59 +0200, Cesare wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I think that a clean solution to host vst plugins (at least the effects) >>>>could be this : taking the wine approach (and maybe some code) and just >>>>implement those calls that are relevant to audio plugins (file access >>>>for loading and saving presets, math libraries etc.) without handling >>>>graphics at all.We have the info for the effect parameters in the dll >>>>and we can provide a standard interface (like the simpler vst effects in >>>>cubase) to tweak parameters. >>>> >>>>Is this possible? >>>> >>>> >>>absolutely not possible. >>> >>> >>> >>I'll go even a bit further. VSts are Windows programs and they should >>just work under Wine. Paul & Torben's time is probably better spent >>elsewhere. >> >>I'd like to see every Linux Audio user interested in this subject >>start pressing the Wine folks to support this themselves. Let's pay >>attention to the Windows apps that can host VSTs and VSTi's. Acid Pro >>is a commercial one that comes to mind. Fruity Loops, etc. There's got >>to be free VST loaders out there for Windows. Older versions of Acid >>install and run fine under Wine but do not handle VSTs very well. The >>new versions don't install or run. >> >>Putting together yet another hack outside of Wine that will run for 1 >>year and then die when gcc5 comes out would be disappointing. Let's >>get the Wine folks to support this. >> >>Please enter apps in the Wine AppDB and enter test results in Wine's >>Bugzilla. If there are enough of us entering 100's of apps then >>they'll pay attention. Maybe not fast, but I believe they will. >> >> > >i still believe, that the current xfst approach is a clean solution. >it does no more use the libwinelib hack. >its a wine app which uses jack natively. > >i mailed it to several people who reported success IIRC. > >i mailed it to them because i dont have the time to open a >sourceforge-project etc. for it. >i thought that some of them would invest the time to make it available >publicly. >(paul, did you actually test it ? i know you dont have the time either, >and as long as we dont provide some linker wrapper its not COMPLETE. ) > >but hey: it does not use the "pull wine into an app not knowing wine" >approach. > >i dont have the time to (use my computer / write mail) very often. > >so someone should step forward and try to get xfst outthere soon. >with webpage, README etc. > > > >xfst is a wine (not win) app which loads vsts and binds them to jack >ports. > >i upload my current state to http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.3.tar.gz >please report success or failure in this thread. my response latency is >very high. > >i am very sorry that galan cant load vsts currently. >but hell it should load dssi plugs. > > > > > > i have built an rpm out of xfst against wine-20050830 for pclinuxos and it actually does start the vst plugin i will test this out. From dmills at spamblock.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 16 09:11:49 2005 From: dmills at spamblock.demon.co.uk (Dan Mills) Date: Sun Oct 16 09:11:52 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] professional audio measurement with linux (?)=?iso-8859-1?q?=09--_a_conclusion_-and_a_minor_problem_with?= jack In-Reply-To: <87mzl9pmer.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <200510141409.j9EE9wsr006251@roar.music.columbia.edu> <20051014191625.56e6b6b9@mango.fruits.de> <87mzl9pmer.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <200510161411.49221.dmills@spamblock.demon.co.uk> On Sunday 16 October 2005 15:27, Esben Stien wrote: > Florian Schmidt writes: > > why (are) measurement mics [..] (not) used for recording vocals and > > instruments more? > > The way I understand it, is because most audio people are not > engineers and they use their ears to listen. The colorization of > certain mics may distort the sound in a pleasant way and they judge it > by that. The other reason is that omnis have very poor isolation (obviously), and thus unless you have a very good room tend to pick up far too much of the room. There are however people doing good work using these, I know several people using the DPA stuff to great effect (mainly on classical recordings), and Earthworks have taken the measurement omni and produced versions for recording and SR usage. > I would use a measurement mic to record anything (if I could afford > it) and then rather process the signal afterwards. This would be the > epitome of high fidelity audio engineering, or so is my understanding. Just as long as you can live with the bleed and your room sounds nice. The other major application of omnis by the way is in the very small capsules required for head worn radio mics (either on a boom, or worn in the hairline), they sound much more natural in this application. Again DPA have a line of capsules that has been developed for this use. Regards, Dan. From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sun Oct 16 09:17:06 2005 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sun Oct 16 09:17:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] professional audio measurement with linux (?) -- a conclusion -and a minor problem with jack In-Reply-To: <87mzl9pmer.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <200510141409.j9EE9wsr006251@roar.music.columbia.edu> <33177.130.179.26.225.1129304834.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <434FF761.6050509@gmx.net> <200510142040.30034@goldspace.net> <20051014191625.56e6b6b9@mango.fruits.de> <87mzl9pmer.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <20051016151706.21e99554@mango.fruits.de> On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:27:24 +0200 Esben Stien wrote: > I would use a measurement mic to record anything (if I could afford > it) and then rather process the signal afterwards. This would be the > epitome of high fidelity audio engineering, or so is my understanding. I suppose one cannot model all the nonlinear characteristics of every microphone. The nonlinear part might be very small though compared to linear characteristics which can me modeled i.e. vs. convolution. > > > Is the color that's being added by expensive special purpose > > intrument/vocal mics the reason? > > So it seems. Another reason might be the different directional characteristics (sorry, dunno the correct english word), but i could imagine measurement mics are available with different directional characteristics, too. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sun Oct 16 12:48:01 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sun Oct 16 10:51:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CD-drive adjustment for ripping In-Reply-To: <200510161143.35744@goldspace.net> (Andrew Gaydenko's message of "Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:43:35 +0400") References: <200510161143.35744@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <87ll0to1by.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Andrew Gaydenko writes: > get the best ripping accuracy (cdparanoia) Always remember the -z switch, to never skip. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sun Oct 16 12:51:42 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sun Oct 16 10:54:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack doesn't see my digital I/Os In-Reply-To: <435130E3.6020200@inwind.it> (federico's message of "Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:40:03 +0200") References: <43512BCF.6040905@inwind.it> <435130E3.6020200@inwind.it> Message-ID: <87hdbho15t.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> federico writes: > i guess jack doesn't handle multiple soundcards You set up the multiple devices in alsa to present them as one device to jack. If these devices are not able to use the same clock, they will drift. > can work if i start two instances of jack? It is possible to run a jack server on each card and then communicate between the servers. I cannot point you any place, but I'm sure someone else will. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From extremecs at yahoo.com Sun Oct 16 11:01:23 2005 From: extremecs at yahoo.com (October) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:01:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Creative Labs X-Fi Pro? In-Reply-To: <20051016092139.GA9238@sunet.se> Message-ID: <20051016150123.53750.qmail@web52311.mail.yahoo.com> Yikes! That doesn't look to promising for us penguin lovers. Think I'll stick with my delta! Thanks for the link! Jon --- Bengt G?rd?n wrote: > On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 11:32:39PM -0700, October > wrote: > > Ran across this card in one of my gaming forums. > > Looks pretty impressive, even from an audio point > of > > view... > > > > > http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q4/soundblaster-x-fi/index.x?pg=1 > > > > Anyone tried one for linux audio? Anyone read any > > linux oriented reviews, etc. of this card?s > > Best thing is to have a look at the ALSA site (or > mail archive) for > this. They have had a small discussion about this. > Follow this > thread. It is not very promising though. > > http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=mlists&forum_id=1752&group_id=27464&atid=0&words=X-Fi&Search=Search > > Especially this one: > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=12720163 > > regards, > > > - Bengan > ----------------------------------------------------------- > - KTHNOC/SUNET/NORDUnet | > http://www.sunet.se/~bengan | 08-7906586 - > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In a world without walls who needs gates or windows? --unknown __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From xaero at inwind.it Sun Oct 16 11:16:30 2005 From: xaero at inwind.it (federico) Date: Sun Oct 16 11:17:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack doesn't see my digital I/Os In-Reply-To: <87hdbho15t.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <43512BCF.6040905@inwind.it> <435130E3.6020200@inwind.it> <87hdbho15t.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <43526ECE.9020504@inwind.it> Esben Stien ha scritto: >federico writes: > > > >>i guess jack doesn't handle multiple soundcards >> >> > >You set up the multiple devices in alsa to present them as one device >to jack. If these devices are not able to use the same clock, they >will drift. > > > my soundcard is able to sync clock via its internal clock, via ADAT source (optical), or via word clock. in order to hear ADAT input i have to sync to ADAT clock, and set the clock switch to "Internal (44.1k)" on my ADAT. however, if you look at the thread ".asoundrc - merging two soundcards" you see that i managed to get a such setup with jack, but it is highly instable, or has something wrong, because it crashes jack after few second that it is started. >>can work if i start two instances of jack? >> >> > >It is possible to run a jack server on each card and then communicate >between the servers. I cannot point you any place, but I'm sure >someone else will. > > > From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Oct 16 12:27:32 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Oct 16 12:18:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more notes re: fst/xfst In-Reply-To: <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> Message-ID: <43527F74.4050602@woh.rr.com> Mark Knecht wrote: >>I'd like to see every Linux Audio user interested in this subject >>start pressing the Wine folks to support this themselves. Let's pay >>attention to the Windows apps that can host VSTs and VSTi's. Acid Pro >>is a commercial one that comes to mind. Fruity Loops, etc. There's got >>to be free VST loaders out there for Windows. Older versions of Acid >>install and run fine under Wine but do not handle VSTs very well. The >>new versions don't install or run. >> >>Putting together yet another hack outside of Wine that will run for 1 >>year and then die when gcc5 comes out would be disappointing. Let's >>get the Wine folks to support this. >> >>Please enter apps in the Wine AppDB and enter test results in Wine's >>Bugzilla. If there are enough of us entering 100's of apps then >>they'll pay attention. Maybe not fast, but I believe they will. >> >> Hear the man. This issue is really as much a matter for the WINE folk as it is for us. VSTs are Windows applications, WINE intends to run Windows applications. Torben Hohn wrote: >i still believe, that the current xfst approach is a clean solution. >it does no more use the libwinelib hack. >its a wine app which uses jack natively. > > An interesting approach. I downloaded the 0.3 package and built it under Planet CCRMA's RH9, WINE 20050725. What I had to do: 1) Fixed aeffectx.h by commenting out lines 918 through 932 and added "struct" to the beginning of line 949 to read "struct VstFileType". 2) Linked /lib/libuuid.so.1 to /lib/libuuid.so. It built without problems. There is no 'make install', so I ran xfst from its own directory. The first time I ran it my X server crashed, probaby due to memory and CPU shortcomings of my PII 366 laptop. I restarted X and ran './xfst ../vstplugins/Crystal.dll'. The plugin GUI appears and its various controls seem to work all right. I connected a virtual keyboard to it, played a note, and JACK zombifies the plugin. I've only tried running the Crystal plugin, so this test doesn't mean much. I'll try upgrading WINE to see if that matters. >so someone should step forward and try to get xfst outthere soon. with webpage, README etc. > > I need to update the VST/Linux tutorial and I'd like to include information regarding xfst. Success stories are welcome. I'll try building and installing it tomorrow on my desktop machine. Best, dp From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 12:50:57 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 16 12:51:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more notes re: fst/xfst In-Reply-To: <43527F74.4050602@woh.rr.com> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <43527F74.4050602@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510160950m568fdafbqd3c8de5abddebc2e@mail.gmail.com> On 10/16/05, Dave Phillips wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > >>I'd like to see every Linux Audio user interested in this subject > >>start pressing the Wine folks to support this themselves. Let's pay > >>attention to the Windows apps that can host VSTs and VSTi's. Acid Pro > >>is a commercial one that comes to mind. Fruity Loops, etc. There's got > >>to be free VST loaders out there for Windows. Older versions of Acid > >>install and run fine under Wine but do not handle VSTs very well. The > >>new versions don't install or run. > >> > >>Putting together yet another hack outside of Wine that will run for 1 > >>year and then die when gcc5 comes out would be disappointing. Let's > >>get the Wine folks to support this. > >> > >>Please enter apps in the Wine AppDB and enter test results in Wine's > >>Bugzilla. If there are enough of us entering 100's of apps then > >>they'll pay attention. Maybe not fast, but I believe they will. > >> > >> > Hear the man. This issue is really as much a matter for the WINE folk as > it is for us. VSTs are Windows applications, WINE intends to run Windows > applications. Thanks Dave. I haven't heard a consensus yet, but there seems to be interst in the savihost.exe application for a simple host that can hold both VSTs and VSTi's. I tried installing savihost.exe but it failed for a missing DLL. I've rectified that and am learning to run Savihost. It's a bit strange to be renaming the thng all the time, but so be it. We'll see. I haven't tried to get sound yet from it. (Other competing priorities...) > > Torben Hohn wrote: > > >i still believe, that the current xfst approach is a clean solution. > >it does no more use the libwinelib hack. > >its a wine app which uses jack natively. > > > > > An interesting approach. > > I downloaded the 0.3 package and built it under Planet CCRMA's RH9, WINE > 20050725. What I had to do: > > 1) Fixed aeffectx.h by commenting out lines 918 through 932 and > added "struct" to the beginning of line 949 to read "struct VstFileType". > 2) Linked /lib/libuuid.so.1 to /lib/libuuid.so. > > It built without problems. There is no 'make install', so I ran xfst > from its own directory. > > The first time I ran it my X server crashed, probaby due to memory and > CPU shortcomings of my PII 366 laptop. I restarted X and ran './xfst > ../vstplugins/Crystal.dll'. The plugin GUI appears and its various > controls seem to work all right. I connected a virtual keyboard to it, > played a note, and JACK zombifies the plugin. > > I've only tried running the Crystal plugin, so this test doesn't mean > much. I'll try upgrading WINE to see if that matters. I tried this route back in February but didn't get very far with it. My email notes don't say what version I was using at that time. Possibly this is newer? Not sure as I've heard nothing from Torben since that time until this week's emails on the subject. Before I'd go to far down that path I'd like to understand if anyone would support it over the long term. (That's just a personal view of mine...) Cheers, Mark From fullgo at dellorfano.net Sun Oct 16 13:16:46 2005 From: fullgo at dellorfano.net (Joseph Dell'Orfano) Date: Sun Oct 16 13:16:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <1129215413.13084.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20051013132258.07A812006882@postoffice.omnis.com> <1129215413.13084.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1129483006.8658.34.camel@Mike> Hector, First of all I apologize for taking sooooo long to reply - work has certainly gotten the better of me this week. I looked back at what I did to get jack_fst running. Actually, I was inaccurate with my last post. I started off by following Timo's tutorial. So I downloaded all of the relevant WINE stuff from there. I had a problem installing the windoze plugins, however, with that version of WINE, so I used Crossover, which tended to run the installers perfectly well. The .dll files have since worked. I've had limited success with anything but the recommended packages, although, most notably for me, I have Amplitube running well under jack_fst. So, I am using jack_fst for limited uses and I have needed to install the windoze VST programs under Crossover. I originally compiled jack_fst using the recommended wine libraries. I guess it's a mess, huh? I will continue to read this thread with great interest. If there's anything I can do to help, let me know. -Joe D On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 10:56 -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > On Thu, 2005-13-10 at 09:35 -0400, Joe Dell'Orfano wrote: > > I have jack_fst working well on an FC3 planetCCRMA machine using the wine > > version from Crossover (www.Codeweavers.com). I have crossover so that I can > > run M$ Office for work compatability, but this wine version seems to play > > nicely with jack_fst. > > > > -Joe > > > > Joe, > > Hod did you manage to get jack_fst running using CrossoverOffice? I > installed it and it doesn't install libwine which is needed by jack_fst. > It seems that the installation package doesn't include any development > sources so I can't see how I would be able to compile jack_fst. > > thanks! > > > > hector > -- Joseph Dell'Orfano From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 13:53:23 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 16 13:53:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more notes re: fst/xfst In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510160950m568fdafbqd3c8de5abddebc2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <43527F74.4050602@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510160950m568fdafbqd3c8de5abddebc2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510161053i5c77e831n37b4d66d5e30e7d3@mail.gmail.com> On 10/16/05, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/16/05, Dave Phillips wrote: > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > >>I'd like to see every Linux Audio user interested in this subject > > >>start pressing the Wine folks to support this themselves. Let's pay > > >>attention to the Windows apps that can host VSTs and VSTi's. Acid Pro > > >>is a commercial one that comes to mind. Fruity Loops, etc. There's got > > >>to be free VST loaders out there for Windows. Older versions of Acid > > >>install and run fine under Wine but do not handle VSTs very well. The > > >>new versions don't install or run. > > >> > > >>Putting together yet another hack outside of Wine that will run for 1 > > >>year and then die when gcc5 comes out would be disappointing. Let's > > >>get the Wine folks to support this. > > >> > > >>Please enter apps in the Wine AppDB and enter test results in Wine's > > >>Bugzilla. If there are enough of us entering 100's of apps then > > >>they'll pay attention. Maybe not fast, but I believe they will. > > >> > > >> > > Hear the man. This issue is really as much a matter for the WINE folk as > > it is for us. VSTs are Windows applications, WINE intends to run Windows > > applications. > > Thanks Dave. I haven't heard a consensus yet, but there seems to be > interst in the savihost.exe application for a simple host that can > hold both VSTs and VSTi's. I tried installing savihost.exe but it > failed for a missing DLL. I've rectified that and am learning to run > Savihost. It's a bit strange to be renaming the thng all the time, but > so be it. We'll see. I haven't tried to get sound yet from it. (Other > competing priorities...) > I have now entered Savihost in the Wine AppDb. It will hopefully be accepted in the next few days. When it is accepted I will post back information here about where interested folks can go to express their interst in getting the Wine developers to pay attention to it. I will sign up to be the app maintainer once it is accepted. NOTE: I downloaded the Crystal VSTi, a more or less known good device, and attempted to run it under savihost. The process, as I understand it, goes like this: 1) Download and install a copy of the MFC42.DLL file. I got mine from http://www.dll-files.com. Note that there did not seem to be different vesions of this file for different versions of Windows. 2) Copy Crystal.dll to a working directory under .wine/drive_c. I used a generic directory called VST 3) Copy savihost.exe to the VST directory and rename it to the name of the VSTi you want to run. In this case I renamed savihost.eve to Crystal.exe 4) Run wine ./Crystal.exe In my case this crashed with the following message: mark@lightning ~/.wine/drive_c/VST $ wine ./Crystal.exe wine: Call from 0x40b001 to unimplemented function MFC42.DLL.6625, aborting Segmentation fault mark@lightning ~/.wine/drive_c/VST $ I have entered this information in the following Wine bug report: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3604 I encourage any and all interested people try to duplicate what I've done here, both with Crystal and other VSTi's. Please enter your results in this bug report. mark@lightning ~/.wine/drive_c/VST $ wine --version Wine 20050930 mark@lightning ~/.wine/drive_c/VST $ Cheers, Mark From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Oct 16 14:19:37 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun Oct 16 14:17:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more notes re: fst/xfst In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510161053i5c77e831n37b4d66d5e30e7d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <43527F74.4050602@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510160950m568fdafbqd3c8de5abddebc2e@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0510161053i5c77e831n37b4d66d5e30e7d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129486777.17169.17.camel@dhin> On Sun, 2005-10-16 at 10:53 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: you should check if savihost tries to use ASIO. AFAIK, Wine does not provide support for the ASIO API, and will not run any win32 apps that try to use it. you should also probably check if i am correct ;) --p From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 14:53:52 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 16 14:53:56 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more notes re: fst/xfst In-Reply-To: <1129486777.17169.17.camel@dhin> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <43527F74.4050602@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510160950m568fdafbqd3c8de5abddebc2e@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0510161053i5c77e831n37b4d66d5e30e7d3@mail.gmail.com> <1129486777.17169.17.camel@dhin> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510161153n6af4489fn1aa2abd840fbd2cf@mail.gmail.com> Indeed Paul, the Savihst page says Current version: 1.23 - VST 2.3 + ASIO 2.0 support That may mean that you are required to run and ASIO driver. It's not clear, but I expect you are possibly right. Good info. Maybe we need to look for a stand alone host that doesn't *require* ASIO support. I will write the Savihost developer and ask about this. Thanks, Mark On 10/16/05, Paul Davis wrote: > On Sun, 2005-10-16 at 10:53 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > you should check if savihost tries to use ASIO. AFAIK, Wine does not > provide support for the ASIO API, and will not run any win32 apps that > try to use it. you should also probably check if i am correct ;) > > --p > > > > From ix at replic.net Sun Oct 16 15:40:43 2005 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Sun Oct 16 15:40:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more notes re: fst/xfst In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510161153n6af4489fn1aa2abd840fbd2cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <43527F74.4050602@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510160950m568fdafbqd3c8de5abddebc2e@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0510161053i5c77e831n37b4d66d5e30e7d3@mail.gmail.com> <1129486777.17169.17.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510161153n6af4489fn1aa2abd840fbd2cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051016194043.GE11971@replic.net> On Sun, Oct 16, 2005 at 11:53:52AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > Indeed Paul, the Savihst page says > > Current version: 1.23 - VST 2.3 + ASIO 2.0 support > > That may mean that you are required to run and ASIO driver. It's not > clear, but I expect you are possibly right. > > Good info. Maybe we need to look for a stand alone host that doesn't > *require* ASIO support. you might want to make a ASIO2JACK if youre serious about using windows apps/plugins.. WinApp->MME/DS->JACK->ALSA is never going to be optimal, but an asio driver which is also a jack client could be pretty good...and could proably exist faster than convincing NI to compile their plugins for linux (although i could see them doing that in maybe the next 3 or 4 years) > > I will write the Savihost developer and ask about this. > > Thanks, > Mark > > On 10/16/05, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Sun, 2005-10-16 at 10:53 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > you should check if savihost tries to use ASIO. AFAIK, Wine does not > > provide support for the ASIO API, and will not run any win32 apps that > > try to use it. you should also probably check if i am correct ;) > > > > --p > > > > > > > > From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 16:00:53 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 16 16:00:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more notes re: fst/xfst In-Reply-To: <1129486777.17169.17.camel@dhin> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <43527F74.4050602@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510160950m568fdafbqd3c8de5abddebc2e@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0510161053i5c77e831n37b4d66d5e30e7d3@mail.gmail.com> <1129486777.17169.17.camel@dhin> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510161300i2f47b719i2b80b441ecd34023@mail.gmail.com> Paul, I updated the dll from the online site with a newer version of the dll from my Win XP box. Now Crystal is up and running here. The built in keyboard in the savihost implementation works. Note that this is an Alsa connection, not a Jack connection so I cannot do much with it yet, but at least savihost is working. Cheers, Mark On 10/16/05, Paul Davis wrote: > On Sun, 2005-10-16 at 10:53 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > you should check if savihost tries to use ASIO. AFAIK, Wine does not > provide support for the ASIO API, and will not run any win32 apps that > try to use it. you should also probably check if i am correct ;) > > --p > > > > From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 16:58:57 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 16 16:58:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more notes re: fst/xfst In-Reply-To: <20051016194043.GE11971@replic.net> References: <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <43527F74.4050602@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510160950m568fdafbqd3c8de5abddebc2e@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0510161053i5c77e831n37b4d66d5e30e7d3@mail.gmail.com> <1129486777.17169.17.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510161153n6af4489fn1aa2abd840fbd2cf@mail.gmail.com> <20051016194043.GE11971@replic.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510161358h16ac0278i77ae1eebe4e72c50@mail.gmail.com> On 10/16/05, carmen wrote: > On Sun, Oct 16, 2005 at 11:53:52AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Indeed Paul, the Savihst page says > > > > Current version: 1.23 - VST 2.3 + ASIO 2.0 support > > > > That may mean that you are required to run and ASIO driver. It's not > > clear, but I expect you are possibly right. > > > > Good info. Maybe we need to look for a stand alone host that doesn't > > *require* ASIO support. > > you might want to make a ASIO2JACK if youre serious about using windows apps/plugins.. WinApp->MME/DS->JACK->ALSA is never going to be optimal, but an asio driver which is also a jack client could be pretty good...and could proably exist faster than convincing NI to compile their plugins for linux (although i could see them doing that in maybe the next 3 or 4 years) We probably should look into that. I just tried the Wine Jack driver. It doesn't even find the JAck server. I've filed a bug report here: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3606 Cheers, Mark From tobbe at nyvalls.se Sun Oct 16 17:39:19 2005 From: tobbe at nyvalls.se (tobbe@nyvalls.se) Date: Sun Oct 16 17:40:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> Message-ID: <4352C887.6040008@nyvalls.se> torbenh@gmx.de skrev: >On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 09:33:07AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > >>On 10/13/05, Paul Davis wrote: >> >> >>>On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 16:59 +0200, Cesare wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I think that a clean solution to host vst plugins (at least the effects) >>>>could be this : taking the wine approach (and maybe some code) and just >>>>implement those calls that are relevant to audio plugins (file access >>>>for loading and saving presets, math libraries etc.) without handling >>>>graphics at all.We have the info for the effect parameters in the dll >>>>and we can provide a standard interface (like the simpler vst effects in >>>>cubase) to tweak parameters. >>>> >>>>Is this possible? >>>> >>>> >>>absolutely not possible. >>> >>> >>> >>I'll go even a bit further. VSts are Windows programs and they should >>just work under Wine. Paul & Torben's time is probably better spent >>elsewhere. >> >>I'd like to see every Linux Audio user interested in this subject >>start pressing the Wine folks to support this themselves. Let's pay >>attention to the Windows apps that can host VSTs and VSTi's. Acid Pro >>is a commercial one that comes to mind. Fruity Loops, etc. There's got >>to be free VST loaders out there for Windows. Older versions of Acid >>install and run fine under Wine but do not handle VSTs very well. The >>new versions don't install or run. >> >>Putting together yet another hack outside of Wine that will run for 1 >>year and then die when gcc5 comes out would be disappointing. Let's >>get the Wine folks to support this. >> >>Please enter apps in the Wine AppDB and enter test results in Wine's >>Bugzilla. If there are enough of us entering 100's of apps then >>they'll pay attention. Maybe not fast, but I believe they will. >> >> > >i still believe, that the current xfst approach is a clean solution. >it does no more use the libwinelib hack. >its a wine app which uses jack natively. > >i mailed it to several people who reported success IIRC. > >i mailed it to them because i dont have the time to open a >sourceforge-project etc. for it. >i thought that some of them would invest the time to make it available >publicly. >(paul, did you actually test it ? i know you dont have the time either, >and as long as we dont provide some linker wrapper its not COMPLETE. ) > >but hey: it does not use the "pull wine into an app not knowing wine" >approach. > >i dont have the time to (use my computer / write mail) very often. > >so someone should step forward and try to get xfst outthere soon. >with webpage, README etc. > > > >xfst is a wine (not win) app which loads vsts and binds them to jack >ports. > >i upload my current state to http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.3.tar.gz >please report success or failure in this thread. my response latency is >very high. > >i am very sorry that galan cant load vsts currently. >but hell it should load dssi plugs. > > > > > > seems that xfst fails to build for wine-20050930 it breaks with winebuild: unrecognized option --debug From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Sun Oct 16 22:52:11 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Sun Oct 16 22:52:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <4352C887.6040008@nyvalls.se> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <4352C887.6040008@nyvalls.se> Message-ID: <1129517531.9059.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-16-10 at 23:39 +0200, tobbe@nyvalls.se wrote: > > > >xfst is a wine (not win) app which loads vsts and binds them to jack > >ports. > > > >i upload my current state to http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.3.tar.gz > >please report success or failure in this thread. my response latency is > >very high. > > > >i am very sorry that galan cant load vsts currently. > >but hell it should load dssi plugs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > seems that xfst fails to build for wine-20050930 > it breaks with > winebuild: unrecognized option --debug i built it using wine 20040505 and it crashes right after loading the VST. I get this messages: gui_thread_id = 10 Got the focus zombified - exiting from JACK and it freezes... on the other hand, I got jack_fst working fine. I guess the ideal would be to have a vst solution that is compatible with the latest wine. Is xfst supposed to build using a recent wine? Thanks a lot for sharing your work! hector From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Sun Oct 16 22:59:26 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Sun Oct 16 22:59:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more notes re: fst/xfst In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510161358h16ac0278i77ae1eebe4e72c50@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <43527F74.4050602@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510160950m568fdafbqd3c8de5abddebc2e@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0510161053i5c77e831n37b4d66d5e30e7d3@mail.gmail.com> <1129486777.17169.17.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510161153n6af4489fn1aa2abd840fbd2cf@mail.gmail.com> <20051016194043.GE11971@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0510161358h16ac0278i77ae1eebe4e72c50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129517967.9059.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-16-10 at 13:58 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/16/05, carmen wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 16, 2005 at 11:53:52AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > Indeed Paul, the Savihst page says > > > > > > Current version: 1.23 - VST 2.3 + ASIO 2.0 support > > > > > > That may mean that you are required to run and ASIO driver. It's not > > > clear, but I expect you are possibly right. > > > > > > Good info. Maybe we need to look for a stand alone host that doesn't > > > *require* ASIO support. > > > > you might want to make a ASIO2JACK if youre serious about using windows apps/plugins.. WinApp->MME/DS->JACK->ALSA is never going to be optimal, but an asio driver which is also a jack client could be pretty good...and could proably exist faster than convincing NI to compile their plugins for linux (although i could see them doing that in maybe the next 3 or 4 years) > > We probably should look into that. > > I just tried the Wine Jack driver. It doesn't even find the JAck > server. I've filed a bug report here: > > http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3606 > > Cheers, > Mark using a recent version of wine Savihost worked for me but after trying to use jack in wine it started to become unstable. I got it to connect and I got sound from it, but for some reason the jack configuration in wine is not detecting my midi input... only the output. hector From Favio at gmx.net Mon Oct 17 00:53:27 2005 From: Favio at gmx.net (Favio@gmx.net) Date: Mon Oct 17 00:53:42 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ablton live emulation References: <43256.193.203.82.226.1129307234.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: <7972.1129524807@www89.gmx.net> Cheers I'll have alook at it! > --- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht --- > Von: "Dave Griffiths" > An: "A list for linux audio users" > Betreff: Re: [linux-audio-user] ablton live emulation > Datum: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:27:14 +0100 (BST) > > > I dont get it, I dont know half the names you just told me. > > sorry, forgot to add the links :) > > pd: > http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html > http://puredata.info/ > > supercollider: > http://www.audiosynth.com/ > > > So, what should I look for as an absolute beginner? > > well, I mentioned those apps as examples of what I've seen people using > for performance in linux, but pd is more suited for the beginner - > supercollider is often seen as more complicated as you have to use > smalltalk (an object orientated language) to use it. as smalltalk was > originally designed for teaching children to program it is suitable for > beginners but maybe not what you are looking for. > > for a more traditional setup with the normal combination of synths, > samplers and sequencers there are plenty of apps to choose from: > http://opensourcemusic.info > http://sound.condorow.net/ > > and as for a controller sequencer for a live setup, I'd recommend seq24: > http://www.filter24.org/seq24/ > which is developed with live performance in mind, with a clear simple > interface. > > cheers, > > dave > -- Favio Masulli y Becker Contact: 07840 185 746 MSN : protoolz@hotmail.co.uk From hanaghan at starband.net Mon Oct 17 01:17:56 2005 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Mon Oct 17 01:13:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <1129517531.9059.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <4352C887.6040008@nyvalls.se> <1129517531.9059.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43533404.6020903@starband.net> Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: >On Sun, 2005-16-10 at 23:39 +0200, tobbe@nyvalls.se wrote: > > > >>>xfst is a wine (not win) app which loads vsts and binds them to jack >>>ports. >>> >>>i upload my current state to http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.3.tar.gz >>>please report success or failure in this thread. my response latency is >>>very high. >>> >>>i am very sorry that galan cant load vsts currently. >>>but hell it should load dssi plugs. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>seems that xfst fails to build for wine-20050930 >>it breaks with >>winebuild: unrecognized option --debug >> >> > >i built it using wine 20040505 and it crashes right after loading the >VST. I get this messages: > >gui_thread_id = 10 >Got the focus >zombified - exiting from JACK > >and it freezes... on the other hand, I got jack_fst working fine. I >guess the ideal would be to have a vst solution that is compatible with >the latest wine. Is xfst supposed to build using a recent wine? > >Thanks a lot for sharing your work! > >hector > > > > Thac built xfst against 20050830 and although I have not stress tested it yet, it does fire up my selection of vst's in Pclos (mdk derivitive) R~ From debian at fastwebnet.it Mon Oct 17 05:39:02 2005 From: debian at fastwebnet.it (Antonio) Date: Mon Oct 17 05:38:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel bug: how to report? Message-ID: <1129541942.3788.19.camel@localhost> Hi to the list, I'm running the 2.6.14-rc4 kernel with realtime-preemption (rt1) patch on a debian testing/unstable. I was trying to create a simple sessione with lash, lash_synth and patchage but qjackctl died suddenly. In syslog I've found the "stack trace" of the kernel due to a bug, something that begins with: localhost kernel: BUG: Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 00100100 and then continues for more or less 100 lines of additional informations. Looking in syslog I've found also another 2 o 3 _different_ bugs: they are all audio related. Are those syslog information useful for debugging? How and where should I report them? Now I will try If I can reproduce the bug with the vanilla 2.6.13 kernel and/or with the 2.6.14-rc3-rt2 that I've previously compiled. Best Regards, ~ Antonio From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 06:58:43 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Oct 17 06:58:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel bug: how to report? In-Reply-To: <1129541942.3788.19.camel@localhost> References: <1129541942.3788.19.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510170358p3384251dp79b4b70018b05211@mail.gmail.com> On 10/17/05, Antonio wrote: > Hi to the list, > > I'm running the 2.6.14-rc4 kernel with realtime-preemption (rt1) patch > on a debian testing/unstable. > > I was trying to create a simple sessione with lash, lash_synth and > patchage but qjackctl died suddenly. In syslog I've found the "stack > trace" of the kernel due to a bug, something that begins with: > > localhost kernel: BUG: Unable to handle kernel paging request at > virtual address 00100100 > > and then continues for more or less 100 lines of additional > informations. Looking in syslog I've found also another 2 o 3 > _different_ bugs: they are all audio related. > > Are those syslog information useful for debugging? How and where should > I report them? > > Now I will try If I can reproduce the bug with the vanilla 2.6.13 kernel > and/or with the 2.6.14-rc3-rt2 that I've previously compiled. > QjackCtl is running fine here on 2.6.14-rc4-rt6 on AMD64. I'd suggest that you update to the very latest stuff that Ingo has released, try again, and then report any problems on LKML. They will require that you do that if you want any real support anyway... You might also try rebuilding Jack against that kernel just to be sure. Cheers, Mark From debian at fastwebnet.it Mon Oct 17 08:59:11 2005 From: debian at fastwebnet.it (Antonio) Date: Mon Oct 17 08:58:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel bug: how to report? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510170358p3384251dp79b4b70018b05211@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129541942.3788.19.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510170358p3384251dp79b4b70018b05211@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129553951.5344.5.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 03:58 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: [cut] > QjackCtl is running fine here on 2.6.14-rc4-rt6 on AMD64. I'd suggest > that you update to the very latest stuff that Ingo has released, try > again, and then report any problems on LKML. They will require that > you do that if you want any real support anyway... Ok... I had not noted the new version. In the mean time I've tried with the vanilla 2.6.13.2 kernel and I don't have any bug with it. > You might also try rebuilding Jack against that kernel just to be sure. By now I'm using jack 0.100 from unstable. Will see with the latest rt patch. > Cheers, > Mark Best Regards, ~ Antonio From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Mon Oct 17 09:51:22 2005 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..::www.rumoridifondo.com::..) Date: Mon Oct 17 09:45:23 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mandriva 2005 (ex mandrake) as daw Message-ID: <1129557082.11871.5.camel@localhost> hello! it's the 1st time i write on this mailing-list. i'm an italian guy who wants to use mandriva 2005 as a daw. i would like to use audio&midi sequencer (i thought to use rosegarden, virtual instruments, and midi notation). so i tried to install "jack". but i don't manage to start him. every time a try to start jack by qjackctl the program tell me that it can't connect to audio server. i use a m-audio audiophile2496 that works with alsa driver "snd-ice1712" and i use gnome 2.8. my kernel version is 2.6.11mdk. do i have to use the multimedia-kernel to work in realtime and low latency? does anyone use mandriva 2005 as a daw? From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Mon Oct 17 09:47:47 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Mon Oct 17 09:47:50 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <43533404.6020903@starband.net> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <4352C887.6040008@nyvalls.se> <1129517531.9059.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43533404.6020903@starband.net> Message-ID: <1129556867.9229.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-16-10 at 22:17 -0700, Russell Hanaghan wrote: > Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > > >On Sun, 2005-16-10 at 23:39 +0200, tobbe@nyvalls.se wrote: > > > > > > > >>>xfst is a wine (not win) app which loads vsts and binds them to jack > >>>ports. > >>> > >>>i upload my current state to http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.3.tar.gz > >>>please report success or failure in this thread. my response latency is > >>>very high. > >>> > >>>i am very sorry that galan cant load vsts currently. > >>>but hell it should load dssi plugs. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>seems that xfst fails to build for wine-20050930 > >>it breaks with > >>winebuild: unrecognized option --debug > >> > >> > > > >i built it using wine 20040505 and it crashes right after loading the > >VST. I get this messages: > > > >gui_thread_id = 10 > >Got the focus > >zombified - exiting from JACK > > > >and it freezes... on the other hand, I got jack_fst working fine. I > >guess the ideal would be to have a vst solution that is compatible with > >the latest wine. Is xfst supposed to build using a recent wine? > > > >Thanks a lot for sharing your work! > > > >hector > > > > > > > > > Thac built xfst against 20050830 and although I have not stress tested > it yet, it does fire up my selection of vst's in Pclos (mdk derivitive) > > R~ > I rebuilt xfst against wine 20050725 (the oficial ubuntu breezy) and tested with other VSTs (jack is set to a latency of 11.6 msecs): - Crystal vst zombifies and exits from jack but it doesn't lock. If I set Jack to a higher Timeout period (1000msecs) it loads and works fine! - DelayLama works perfect (it even shows the GUI animation properly) - Synful orchestra works fine. - GRMTools seem to be working fine without some of them crashing as in jack_fst. Great! xfst seems to be the solution for linux-vst. I can help to set it up and mantain a web site (would it be ok at sourceforge?) but I guess it would be good if we create a complete package including install script in the make file (I don't have experience doing this, but I can figure it out) and a README. Is someone else interested in helping Torben and making it available publicly? thanks! hector From b0ef at esben-stien.name Mon Oct 17 12:06:00 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Mon Oct 17 10:09:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel bug: how to report? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510170358p3384251dp79b4b70018b05211@mail.gmail.com> (Mark Knecht's message of "Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:58:43 -0700") References: <1129541942.3788.19.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510170358p3384251dp79b4b70018b05211@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87irvwnn6f.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Mark Knecht writes: > You might also try rebuilding Jack against that kernel just to be > sure. This should not be necessary, under any circumstances;). This is my understanding. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From x at branwelt.de Mon Oct 17 10:10:00 2005 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Mon Oct 17 10:10:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more notes re: fst/xfst In-Reply-To: <43527F74.4050602@woh.rr.com> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <43527F74.4050602@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4353B0B8.1030101@branwelt.de> Dave Phillips wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > >>> I'd like to see every Linux Audio user interested in this subject >>> start pressing the Wine folks to support this themselves. Let's pay >>> attention to the Windows apps that can host VSTs and VSTi's. Acid Pro >>> is a commercial one that comes to mind. Fruity Loops, etc. There's got >>> to be free VST loaders out there for Windows. Older versions of Acid >>> install and run fine under Wine but do not handle VSTs very well. The >>> new versions don't install or run. >>> >>> Putting together yet another hack outside of Wine that will run for 1 >>> year and then die when gcc5 comes out would be disappointing. Let's >>> get the Wine folks to support this. >>> >>> Please enter apps in the Wine AppDB and enter test results in Wine's >>> Bugzilla. If there are enough of us entering 100's of apps then >>> they'll pay attention. Maybe not fast, but I believe they will. >>> >> > Hear the man. This issue is really as much a matter for the WINE folk > as it is for us. VSTs are Windows applications, WINE intends to run > Windows applications. > > Torben Hohn wrote: > >> i still believe, that the current xfst approach is a clean solution. >> it does no more use the libwinelib hack. >> its a wine app which uses jack natively. >> >> > An interesting approach. > > I downloaded the 0.3 package and built it under Planet CCRMA's RH9, > WINE 20050725. What I had to do: > > 1) Fixed aeffectx.h by commenting out lines 918 through 932 and > added "struct" to the beginning of line 949 to read "struct VstFileType". > 2) Linked /lib/libuuid.so.1 to /lib/libuuid.so. > > It built without problems. There is no 'make install', so I ran xfst > from its own directory. > > The first time I ran it my X server crashed, probaby due to memory and > CPU shortcomings of my PII 366 laptop. I restarted X and ran './xfst > ../vstplugins/Crystal.dll'. The plugin GUI appears and its various > controls seem to work all right. I connected a virtual keyboard to it, > played a note, and JACK zombifies the plugin. > > I've only tried running the Crystal plugin, so this test doesn't mean > much. I'll try upgrading WINE to see if that matters. > > >> so someone should step forward and try to get xfst outthere soon. >> with webpage, README etc. >> >> > I need to update the VST/Linux tutorial and I'd like to include > information regarding xfst. Success stories are welcome. > > I'll try building and installing it tomorrow on my desktop machine. > > Best, > > dp > > xfst worked great with some VSTis I've tested so far: Crystal ran well NIs Kontakt Sampler 1.5 runs nearly like a native linux app and is perfectly jackified. NIs Reaktor Session has had major problems with it's menu structure, freezed to some degree and than didn't recognize mouse-clicks My Setup: Debian Testing (kernel 2.6.13) Wine 20050628 (winxp mode) xfst-0.3 Here is what I did, to make it working. Download the vst-sdk. http://ygrabit.steinberg.de/users/ygrabit/public_html/vstsdk/Download/VST%20Plug-Ins%20SDK%202.3/ Copy the required header files from vstsdk2.3/source/common/ to xfst/vst directory. (AEffect.h and aeffectx.h) Patch xfst/vst/aeffectx.h I'v created a diff, appended as attachment. Apply it like this: patch aeffectx.h aeffectx.h.diff --verbose compile xfst: make Start jackd Start xfstified vst: ./xfst ~/.wine/c/Program\ Files/Vstplugins/Kontakt.dll Regards, Emanuel start of aeffectx.h.diff ####################################### --- aeffectx.h.orig 2005-10-16 17:30:00.000000000 +0200 +++ aeffectx.h 2005-10-17 15:27:11.000000000 +0200 @@ -913,6 +913,9 @@ //---Used by audioMasterOpenFileSelector----------- +/* +// commented out for xfst +// struct VstFileType { VstFileType (char* _name, char *_macType, char *_dosType, char *_unixType = 0, char *_mimeType1 = 0, char *_mimeType2 = 0) @@ -938,6 +941,9 @@ char mimeType2[128]; }; +*/ + + struct VstFileSelect { long command; // see enum kVstFileLoad.... @@ -946,8 +952,12 @@ long macCreator; // optional: 0 = no creator long nbFileTypes; // nb of fileTypes to used - VstFileType *fileTypes; // list of fileTypes - + + + // commented out for xfst + //struct struct VstFileType *fileTypes; // list of fileTypes + + char title[1024]; // text display in the file selector's title char *initialPath; // initial path ################################### end of aeffectx.h.diff -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: aeffectx.h.diff Type: text/x-patch Size: 903 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051017/d98982aa/aeffectx.h.bin From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 10:18:19 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Oct 17 10:18:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel bug: how to report? In-Reply-To: <1129553951.5344.5.camel@localhost> References: <1129541942.3788.19.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510170358p3384251dp79b4b70018b05211@mail.gmail.com> <1129553951.5344.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510170718k44740a1bi8b33e1a6e362aef@mail.gmail.com> Antonio, There is a fix this morning in -rt7 that has something to do with QJackCtl. While I wasn't seeing the problem possibly you are? Anyway, watch Ingo's page for releases of interest. Cheers, Mark On 10/17/05, Antonio wrote: > On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 03:58 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > [cut] > > QjackCtl is running fine here on 2.6.14-rc4-rt6 on AMD64. I'd suggest > > that you update to the very latest stuff that Ingo has released, try > > again, and then report any problems on LKML. They will require that > > you do that if you want any real support anyway... > > Ok... I had not noted the new version. In the mean time I've tried with > the vanilla 2.6.13.2 kernel and I don't have any bug with it. > > > You might also try rebuilding Jack against that kernel just to be sure. > > By now I'm using jack 0.100 from unstable. Will see with the latest rt > patch. > > > Cheers, > > Mark > > Best Regards, > > ~ Antonio > > > From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 10:20:37 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Oct 17 10:20:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mandriva 2005 (ex mandrake) as daw In-Reply-To: <1129557082.11871.5.camel@localhost> References: <1129557082.11871.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510170720s2dc05ed5r35a1ddbe917153ae@mail.gmail.com> Hi, It sounds like you have some other audio program running. That program would have grabbed the sound card and hence Jack cannot get it. Make sure that esound or other audio applications are not running and using the AP2496 before starting Jack and you'll probably do better. Check the Gnome Sound Preferences and ensure that the Gnome sound server was not started, at least for debug purposes. Good luck, Mark On 10/17/05, emanuele ..::www.rumoridifondo.com::.. wrote: > hello! > it's the 1st time i write on this mailing-list. > i'm an italian guy who wants to use mandriva 2005 as a daw. > i would like to use audio&midi sequencer (i thought to use rosegarden, > virtual instruments, and midi notation). > > so i tried to install "jack". but i don't manage to start him. > every time a try to start jack by qjackctl the program tell me that it > can't connect to audio server. > > i use a m-audio audiophile2496 that works with alsa driver "snd-ice1712" > and i use gnome 2.8. > my kernel version is 2.6.11mdk. do i have to use the multimedia-kernel > to work in realtime and low latency? > > does anyone use mandriva 2005 as a daw? > > > From debian at fastwebnet.it Mon Oct 17 10:42:07 2005 From: debian at fastwebnet.it (Antonio) Date: Mon Oct 17 10:41:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel bug: how to report? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510170358p3384251dp79b4b70018b05211@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129541942.3788.19.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510170358p3384251dp79b4b70018b05211@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129560127.3689.5.camel@localhost> Hi Mark, On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 03:58 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: [cut] > QjackCtl is running fine here on 2.6.14-rc4-rt6 on AMD64. I'd suggest > that you update to the very latest stuff that Ingo has released, try > again, and then report any problems on LKML. They will require that > you do that if you want any real support anyway... I've just tried 2.6.14-rc4-rt6 and the system freezes in the last steps of booting (tried two times). The freeze doen't leave any trace on syslog. I'll wait the next rt release (rt7) to see if the problem remains. Besta Regards, ~ Antonio From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Mon Oct 17 10:59:25 2005 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..::www.rumoridifondo.com::..) Date: Mon Oct 17 10:53:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mandriva 2005 (ex mandrake) as daw In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510170720s2dc05ed5r35a1ddbe917153ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129557082.11871.5.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510170720s2dc05ed5r35a1ddbe917153ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129561165.15384.2.camel@localhost> finally i managed to start jack!!! but i can only do this as root-user. and i have to start all the program that require jack as root, too, because if no they don't see jack. why?? thanx ps. i'm sorry if maybe my english is not so good, 'cause i'm italian. Il giorno lun, 17-10-2005 alle 07:20 -0700, Mark Knecht ha scritto: > Hi, > It sounds like you have some other audio program running. That > program would have grabbed the sound card and hence Jack cannot get > it. > > Make sure that esound or other audio applications are not running > and using the AP2496 before starting Jack and you'll probably do > better. Check the Gnome Sound Preferences and ensure that the Gnome > sound server was not started, at least for debug purposes. > > Good luck, > Mark > > On 10/17/05, emanuele ..::www.rumoridifondo.com::.. > wrote: > > hello! > > it's the 1st time i write on this mailing-list. > > i'm an italian guy who wants to use mandriva 2005 as a daw. > > i would like to use audio&midi sequencer (i thought to use rosegarden, > > virtual instruments, and midi notation). > > > > so i tried to install "jack". but i don't manage to start him. > > every time a try to start jack by qjackctl the program tell me that it > > can't connect to audio server. > > > > i use a m-audio audiophile2496 that works with alsa driver "snd-ice1712" > > and i use gnome 2.8. > > my kernel version is 2.6.11mdk. do i have to use the multimedia-kernel > > to work in realtime and low latency? > > > > does anyone use mandriva 2005 as a daw? > > > > > > > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Oct 17 11:14:19 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Oct 17 11:16:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel bug: how to report? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510170358p3384251dp79b4b70018b05211@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129541942.3788.19.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510170358p3384251dp79b4b70018b05211@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129562060.1321.12.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 03:58 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > You might also try rebuilding Jack against that kernel just to be > sure. You don't have to rebuild JACK or any userspace app when changing kernels. You do have to rebuild JACK clients like ardour if you rebuild JACK with different options. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Oct 17 11:15:26 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Oct 17 11:16:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mandriva 2005 (ex mandrake) as daw In-Reply-To: <1129557082.11871.5.camel@localhost> References: <1129557082.11871.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1129562127.1321.14.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 15:51 +0200, emanuele ..::www.rumoridifondo.com::.. wrote: > hello! > it's the 1st time i write on this mailing-list. > i'm an italian guy who wants to use mandriva 2005 as a daw. > i would like to use audio&midi sequencer (i thought to use rosegarden, > virtual instruments, and midi notation). > > so i tried to install "jack". but i don't manage to start him. > every time a try to start jack Make sure esd is not running. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Oct 17 11:22:11 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Oct 17 11:29:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mandriva 2005 (ex mandrake) as daw In-Reply-To: <1129561165.15384.2.camel@localhost> References: <1129557082.11871.5.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510170720s2dc05ed5r35a1ddbe917153ae@mail.gmail.com> <1129561165.15384.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1129562537.1321.20.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 16:59 +0200, emanuele ..::www.rumoridifondo.com::.. wrote: > finally i managed to start jack!!! > > but i can only do this as root-user. > and i have to start all the program that require jack as root, too, > because if no they don't see jack. > > why?? Because you have the "Realtime" option enabled, and on most systems whis only works as root. If JACK uses "realtime" by default as a non-root user on Mandriva this is a bug in that distro. You can install a kernel module called the "realtime LSM" to get around this. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 11:33:16 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Oct 17 11:33:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel bug: how to report? In-Reply-To: <1129560127.3689.5.camel@localhost> References: <1129541942.3788.19.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510170358p3384251dp79b4b70018b05211@mail.gmail.com> <1129560127.3689.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510170833o5c718252n631eb8bf8b81d0f@mail.gmail.com> On 10/17/05, Antonio wrote: > Hi Mark, > > On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 03:58 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > [cut] > > QjackCtl is running fine here on 2.6.14-rc4-rt6 on AMD64. I'd suggest > > that you update to the very latest stuff that Ingo has released, try > > again, and then report any problems on LKML. They will require that > > you do that if you want any real support anyway... > > I've just tried 2.6.14-rc4-rt6 and the system freezes in the last steps > of booting (tried two times). The freeze doen't leave any trace on > syslog. > > I'll wait the next rt release (rt7) to see if the problem remains. In my experience waiting for -rt7 will almost certianly not fix a problem like this. Specifically, where did it hand? What's on the screen? Does /var/log/messages hold the last boot log on your machine? If so there may be some clues there. Probably you need to change the kernel config slightly to get beyond this. - Mark From jri at broadpark.no Mon Oct 17 12:58:15 2005 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Mon Oct 17 12:46:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mandriva 2005 (ex mandrake) as daw In-Reply-To: <1129557082.11871.5.camel@localhost> References: <1129557082.11871.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4353D827.6030901@broadpark.no> emanuele ..::www.rumoridifondo.com::.. wrote: > so i tried to install "jack". but i don't manage to start him. > every time a try to start jack by qjackctl the program tell me that it > can't connect to audio server. First try with the mm-kernel and a newer jack-version from THAC's. See below. > my kernel version is 2.6.11mdk. do i have to use the multimedia-kernel > to work in realtime and low latency? > > does anyone use mandriva 2005 as a daw? I've been using mandriva/drake as a DAW for a year now, and IMHO this is (one of) the best distro(s) for the job. I can tell what I did, then you can see if that works for you. (Maybe you've already done this, I dunno). First run this as root: urpmi.addmedia thacs.rpms http://rpm.nyvalls.se/10.2/RPMS with hdlist.cz It will add the THACS repository to your system so that you can install THAC's apps from rpmdrake or with the urpmi command. THACS got lots of great audiosoftware, and it's pretty well updated too. Then, if you're using the download-iso version of mandriva, go to this page and ad all of the repositories to your system the same way you did it with THACS: http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/ Now, with all the repositories installed you can very easily install (as good as) any gnu/linux app through rpmdrake or with the urpmi command. Dependency-trouble will be dealt with automatically, just remember to update the media (repositories) once in a while. With all this installed I've found mandriva to be a most easy to use and powerful distro for audio. You can even install pre-compiled kernels with all RT-patches etc all set up (mm-kernel). The sad story, though: It appears to be that THAC's got into some quarrel with mandriva-folks (correct me someone if I'm wrong), so he refuses to continue building apps for mandriva "primarily". In that case I dunno if I can recommend mandriva for your daw, atleast not until some similar repository appears. THAC's gone over building for the PCLinuxOS distro, wich is a derative of mandriva. It seems this PClinuxOS can become quite good, possibly better than mandriva, but for the time being, in my experience, it is not quite "ready for the daw", atleast not for noobs, there's just too many bugs yet. I've tried to look around for some other distro lately, but with my snobbish preferences on how things should be I've not really found any distro wich can quite make up for the quality and ease-of-use of mandriva. I guess for now I'll watch THAC's coming moves and keep an eye on the PCLinuxOS to see if there's progression (I think there is much nowadays), before I eventually up/re-grade my system again. If anyone has more info on this of course I'd like to know ;) Good luck with your daw! -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.1go.dk/ From tobbe at nyvalls.se Mon Oct 17 13:23:34 2005 From: tobbe at nyvalls.se (tobbe@nyvalls.se) Date: Mon Oct 17 13:24:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mandriva 2005 (ex mandrake) as daw In-Reply-To: <4353D827.6030901@broadpark.no> References: <1129557082.11871.5.camel@localhost> <4353D827.6030901@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <4353DE16.2050704@nyvalls.se> Johannes Mario Ringheim skrev: > emanuele ..::www.rumoridifondo.com::.. wrote: > >> so i tried to install "jack". but i don't manage to start him. every >> time a try to start jack by qjackctl the program tell me that it >> can't connect to audio server. > > > First try with the mm-kernel and a newer jack-version from THAC's. See > below. > >> my kernel version is 2.6.11mdk. do i have to use the multimedia-kernel >> to work in realtime and low latency? >> >> does anyone use mandriva 2005 as a daw? > > > > I've been using mandriva/drake as a DAW for a year now, and IMHO this > is (one of) the best distro(s) for the job. I can tell what I did, > then you can see if that works for you. (Maybe you've already done > this, I dunno). > > First run this as root: > urpmi.addmedia thacs.rpms http://rpm.nyvalls.se/10.2/RPMS with hdlist.cz > > It will add the THACS repository to your system so that you can > install THAC's apps from rpmdrake or with the urpmi command. THACS got > lots of great audiosoftware, and it's pretty well updated too. > > Then, if you're using the download-iso version of mandriva, go to this > page and ad all of the repositories to your system the same way you > did it with THACS: > > http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/ > > Now, with all the repositories installed you can very easily install > (as good as) any gnu/linux app through rpmdrake or with the urpmi > command. Dependency-trouble will be dealt with automatically, just > remember to update the media (repositories) once in a while. > > With all this installed I've found mandriva to be a most easy to use > and powerful distro for audio. You can even install pre-compiled > kernels with all RT-patches etc all set up (mm-kernel). > > The sad story, though: > > It appears to be that THAC's got into some quarrel with mandriva-folks > (correct me someone if I'm wrong), so he refuses to continue building > apps for mandriva "primarily". In that case I dunno if I can recommend > mandriva for your daw, atleast not until some similar repository > appears. THAC's gone over building for the PCLinuxOS distro, wich is a > derative of mandriva. It seems this PClinuxOS can become quite good, > possibly better than mandriva, but for the time being, in my > experience, it is not quite "ready for the daw", atleast not for > noobs, there's just too many bugs yet. > > I've tried to look around for some other distro lately, but with my > snobbish preferences on how things should be I've not really found any > distro wich can quite make up for the quality and ease-of-use of > mandriva. I guess for now I'll watch THAC's coming moves and keep an > eye on the PCLinuxOS to see if there's progression (I think there is > much nowadays), before I eventually up/re-grade my system again. > If anyone has more info on this of course I'd like to know ;) > > Good luck with your daw! > building apps for mandriva "primarily" means exactly that im developing all my sound stuff in pclo now but i do make the spec files to build for both pclo and mandriva check here http://rpm.nyvalls.se/indexpclo2005.html but i will rebuild it for mandriva there is a preview of the coming 2006 rpms i will add the sound rpms there later here no urpmi yet only manual download http://rpm.nyvalls.se/index2006.0.html /Torbj?rn Turpeinen (Thac) From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Mon Oct 17 14:07:17 2005 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..::www.rumoridifondo.com::..) Date: Mon Oct 17 14:01:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mandriva 2005 (ex mandrake) as daw In-Reply-To: <4353DE16.2050704@nyvalls.se> References: <1129557082.11871.5.camel@localhost> <4353D827.6030901@broadpark.no> <4353DE16.2050704@nyvalls.se> Message-ID: <1129572437.11614.2.camel@localhost> thank-you all for your advices! even if i start jack as non-root user without the realtime option the program tell me "could not connect to jack server as client". this is the message board --------------------------------------------------------------- 20:06:02.725 Patchbay deactivated. 20:06:02.838 Statistics reset. 20:06:02.851 JACK is starting... 20:06:02.851 /usr/bin/jackd -m -dalsa -r44100 -p512 -n2 -D -C/dev/dsp -P/dev/dsp -i2 -o2 20:06:02.996 JACK was started with PID=12301 (0x300d). jackd 0.99.0 Copyright 2001-2003 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details loading driver .. apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... /dev/dsp|/dev/dsp|512|2|44100|2|2|nomon| swmeter|-|32bit ALSA lib pcm.c:2084:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM /dev/dsp ALSA lib pcm.c:2084:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM /dev/dsp ALSA: Cannot open PCM device alsa_pcm for playback. Falling back to capture-only mode cannot load driver module alsa 20:06:03.116 JACK was stopped successfully. 20:06:03.121 MIDI connection graph change. 20:06:03.199 MIDI connection change. 20:06:05.211 Could not connect to JACK server as client. --------------------------------------------- thanx, emanuele From dplist at free.fr Mon Oct 17 15:09:17 2005 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Mon Oct 17 15:09:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more notes re: fst/xfst In-Reply-To: <4353B0B8.1030101@branwelt.de> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <43527F74.4050602@woh.rr.com> <4353B0B8.1030101@branwelt.de> Message-ID: <20051017210917.247203b4.dplist@free.fr> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:10:00 +0200 Emanuel Rumpf wrote: > My Setup: > Debian Testing (kernel 2.6.13) > Wine 20050628 (winxp mode) > xfst-0.3 I use the same distribution here but with DeMuDi's multimedia kernel. I can spawn Crystal too. I see its jack outputs but I cannot seem to find its MIDI input(s) (neither with aconnect nor qjackctl). What am I missing ? Thanks a lot. -- David From x at branwelt.de Mon Oct 17 16:45:41 2005 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Mon Oct 17 16:45:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more notes re: fst/xfst In-Reply-To: <20051017210917.247203b4.dplist@free.fr> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <43527F74.4050602@woh.rr.com> <4353B0B8.1030101@branwelt.de> <20051017210917.247203b4.dplist@free.fr> Message-ID: <43540D75.2070903@branwelt.de> David wrote: >I use the same distribution here but with DeMuDi's multimedia kernel. I can spawn Crystal too. I see its jack outputs but I cannot seem to find its MIDI input(s) (neither with aconnect nor qjackctl). > > hm. Are we talking of the same vst and version (2.4)? I got crystal here: http://www.greenoak.com/crystal/download.html Have you loaded the alsa sequencer modules? : modprobe snd-seq-midi modprobe snd-seq I can see "130:Crystal" under QJackCtl's 'Writable Midi Clients / Midi Input Ports' in the "Connections" Window. Connecting Rosegarden4 also worked. Emanuel From medvind_ at hotmail.com Mon Oct 17 16:46:11 2005 From: medvind_ at hotmail.com (Peter Toth) Date: Mon Oct 17 16:46:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music creation, notation and production in Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, I'm a student at the Gothenburg University. Currently I'm writing an essay in informatics, and I chose music creation/notation/production in (GNU/)Linux as the subject. I'd like to get some feedback on this, so I've made a survey: http://www.kavitet.se/survey.php I've got a pretty tight deadline for my essay (October 23, this sunday)... I'd be very grateful for your help. Thanks P?ter From dplist at free.fr Mon Oct 17 17:46:14 2005 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Mon Oct 17 17:46:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more notes re: fst/xfst In-Reply-To: <43540D75.2070903@branwelt.de> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <43527F74.4050602@woh.rr.com> <4353B0B8.1030101@branwelt.de> <20051017210917.247203b4.dplist@free.fr> <43540D75.2070903@branwelt.de> Message-ID: <20051017234614.3974c0ab.dplist@free.fr> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:45:41 +0200 Emanuel Rumpf wrote: > David wrote: > > >I use the same distribution here but with DeMuDi's multimedia > >kernel. I can spawn Crystal too. I see its jack outputs but I cannot > >seem to find its MIDI input(s) (neither with aconnect nor qjackctl). > > > > > hm. > > Are we talking of the same vst and version (2.4)? I got crystal here: > http://www.greenoak.com/crystal/download.html Yes. > Have you loaded the alsa sequencer modules? : > modprobe snd-seq-midi > modprobe snd-seq Yes. > I can see "130:Crystal" under QJackCtl's 'Writable Midi Clients / Midi > Input Ports' in the "Connections" Window. I don't have them. If I use vsthost (dssi-vst) or native synths, everything is okay, that's odd. Looking at xfst's source in vsti.c, one can see that it tries to connect to the ALSA Seq and that it should spit an error message if that fails. Here I have no new ALSA seq port and no error message. Anyone has an idea about this ? > Connecting Rosegarden4 also worked. > > Emanuel > Thanks. -- David From dplist at free.fr Mon Oct 17 20:00:44 2005 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Mon Oct 17 20:00:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more notes re: fst/xfst In-Reply-To: <20051017234614.3974c0ab.dplist@free.fr> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <43527F74.4050602@woh.rr.com> <4353B0B8.1030101@branwelt.de> <20051017210917.247203b4.dplist@free.fr> <43540D75.2070903@branwelt.de> <20051017234614.3974c0ab.dplist@free.fr> Message-ID: <20051018020044.661777c5.dplist@free.fr> Ok, I found it. I had a bad set of VST header files installed. Sorry for the noise and thanks. -- David From joke at apo33.org Tue Oct 18 05:03:25 2005 From: joke at apo33.org (joke) Date: Tue Oct 18 03:03:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mandriva 2005 (ex mandrake) as daw In-Reply-To: <1129557082.11871.5.camel@localhost> References: <1129557082.11871.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4354BA5D.6080602@apo33.org> Hi, If you want to use mandriva there is also APODIO that are based on mandriva2005, it's for audio and multimedia, you could use it as liveCD or install it on your hardisk and have a proper customized mandriva that you could synchronize with cooker (easyurpmi.zarb.org). I use it for all my audio works and works as perfect, just look at the website http://www.apodio.org they have also a mailing list and forum support (french & english) cheers jo >it's the 1st time i write on this mailing-list. >i'm an italian guy who wants to use mandriva 2005 as a daw. >i would like to use audio&midi sequencer (i thought to use rosegarden, >virtual instruments, and midi notation). > >so i tried to install "jack". but i don't manage to start him. >every time a try to start jack by qjackctl the program tell me that it >can't connect to audio server. > >i use a m-audio audiophile2496 that works with alsa driver "snd-ice1712" >and i use gnome 2.8. >my kernel version is 2.6.11mdk. do i have to use the multimedia-kernel >to work in realtime and low latency? > >does anyone use mandriva 2005 as a daw? > > > > > From arthur_choung at yahoo.com Tue Oct 18 04:39:40 2005 From: arthur_choung at yahoo.com (Arthur Choung) Date: Tue Oct 18 04:39:42 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Frontier Design Tranzport working Message-ID: <20051018083940.89629.qmail@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I just got a Frontier Design Tranzport and after a little bit of work, I finally got it working with Linux. I was wondering if anyone was interested in knowing how it works and what not. If so, I will put together some documentation and source code and post it somewhere. -Art Product Link: http://frontierdesign.com/Products/TranzPort __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From kouhia at nic.funet.fi Tue Oct 18 05:37:30 2005 From: kouhia at nic.funet.fi (Juhana Sadeharju) Date: Tue Oct 18 05:37:33 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: WhySynth DSSI softsynth Message-ID: Hello. Any demo ogg/mp3 files? Could somebody play a preferably techno oriented MIDI example through all presets of WhySynth? The same for Zynaddsubfx etc. I'm looking for something similar to Access' Virus; check their demos for ideas. Juhana -- http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-graphics-dev for developers of open source graphics software From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 06:19:58 2005 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Oct 18 06:20:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: WhySynth DSSI softsynth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/18/05, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > > Hello. Any demo ogg/mp3 files? > Could somebody play a preferably techno oriented MIDI example > through all presets of WhySynth? The same for Zynaddsubfx etc. > I'm looking for something similar to Access' Virus; check > their demos for ideas. > > Juhana I'm keen to here along these lines too, for zyn there are a few good demos on the site, it's nice for pads and some lead sounds but it's not very useful for bass sounds. Haven't played with WhySynth yet.. but dssi's are very practical esp. if you're an Om user. Loki From debian at fastwebnet.it Tue Oct 18 07:07:43 2005 From: debian at fastwebnet.it (Antonio) Date: Tue Oct 18 07:07:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel bug: how to report? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510170833o5c718252n631eb8bf8b81d0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129541942.3788.19.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510170358p3384251dp79b4b70018b05211@mail.gmail.com> <1129560127.3689.5.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510170833o5c718252n631eb8bf8b81d0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129633663.10775.12.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 08:33 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: [cut] > > I'll wait the next rt release (rt7) to see if the problem remains. > > In my experience waiting for -rt7 will almost certianly not fix a > problem like this. > > Specifically, where did it hand? What's on the screen? Does > /var/log/messages hold the last boot log on your machine? If so there > may be some clues there. It hangs on the last 2 or 3 services (few seconds before the login). I've checked /var/log/messages, but the freeze doesn't leave any trace. There's no error... the log simply stops when the system hangs. And the log seem very similar to the 2.6.14-rc4-rt1 one which boots correctly although sometime gives me some errors. > Probably you need to change the kernel config slightly to get beyond this. Well, I simply make an oldconfig upon a well functioning 2.6.14-rc4 vanilla kernel. I've read each new voice and I've ended up answering always no (except for the "Complete Preemption" choice). This morning I've tried the rt8 patch and I can't even compile the kernel! This is the error: CC kernel/ktimers.o kernel/ktimers.c: In function 'check_ktimer_signal': kernel/ktimers.c:1209: warning: passing argument 1 of 'unlock_ktimer_base' from incompatible pointer type kernel/ktimers.c:1225: error: 'struct ktimer_base' has no member named 'getoffset' make[2]: *** [kernel/ktimers.o] Error 1 Maybe today there will be some others releases. > - Mark Cheers, ~ Antonio From Favio at gmx.net Tue Oct 18 08:36:59 2005 From: Favio at gmx.net (Favio@gmx.net) Date: Tue Oct 18 08:37:02 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Frontier Design Tranzport working References: <20051018083940.89629.qmail@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5969.1129639019@www60.gmx.net> Does anyone of you know an open source program (also for XP if possible), which follows the same concept as audiomulch? Thx all! Favio -- Favio Masulli y Becker Contact: 07840 185 746 MSN : protoolz@hotmail.co.uk From mestelan at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 09:09:29 2005 From: mestelan at gmail.com (Jean-Baptiste Mestelan) Date: Tue Oct 18 09:09:33 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Focusrite Saffire (and other DSP firewire cards) Linux compatible ? Message-ID: Hello, people :-) I hope this will not be too much OT ... I am considering the firewire audio interface Focusrite Saffire. Though it is not natively supported on Linux, an open-source project exists, aiming to provide support for such Firewire based breakout boxes. http://sourceforge.net/projects/freebob/ I trust this driver works successfully for a few cards already ; my question follows : - Focusrite Saffire is a bit special, as it has on-board DSP effects (reverb, etc) , controlled by provided PC/Mac software. Would this all have to be re-implemented in order to work on Linux ? Or is there any chance it would work on Linux ? I guess I might get relevant answers from the project site, but I could not find a place to post questions. Fot those who have an interest, here is a link to the hardware manufacturer, explaining its architecture. http://www.bridgeco.net/products/dm1200/dm1200.shtml#software Thanks for your attention :-) Peace. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Oct 18 09:29:35 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Oct 18 09:20:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Frontier Design Tranzport working In-Reply-To: <5969.1129639019@www60.gmx.net> References: <20051018083940.89629.qmail@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> <5969.1129639019@www60.gmx.net> Message-ID: <4354F8BF.8080605@woh.rr.com> Favio@gmx.net wrote: >Does anyone of you know an open source program (also for XP if possible), >which follows the same concept as audiomulch? > > No, but Audiomulch has run under some versions of WINE. Best, dp From ben at glw.com Tue Oct 18 10:05:44 2005 From: ben at glw.com (Ben Loftis) Date: Tue Oct 18 09:34:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Fronteir Design Tranzport working In-Reply-To: <200510180845.j9I8igss010973@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200510180845.j9I8igss010973@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200510180905.44646.ben@glw.com> Please post! I'm very interested! -Ben Loftis > Hello, > > I just got a Frontier Design Tranzport and after a little bit of work, > I finally got it working with Linux. I was wondering if anyone was > interested in knowing how it works and what not. If so, I will put > together some documentation and source code and post it somewhere. > > -Art From jonathan.stutters at ntlworld.com Tue Oct 18 09:41:49 2005 From: jonathan.stutters at ntlworld.com (Jon Stutters) Date: Tue Oct 18 09:42:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Frontier Design Tranzport working In-Reply-To: <5969.1129639019@www60.gmx.net> References: <20051018083940.89629.qmail@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> <5969.1129639019@www60.gmx.net> Message-ID: <4354FB9D.6070003@ntlworld.com> Favio@gmx.net wrote: > Does anyone of you know an open source program (also for XP if possible), > which follows the same concept as audiomulch? Can't think of any direct replacements. However, a lot of the functionality could be recreated in PD, ie. make up abstractions for each of the AM contraptions, come up with a way of routing control information from arrays to parameters. Whether this will be an adequate replacement depends on how much of an Audiomulch power user you are. Jonny www.jeremah.co.uk From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Oct 18 10:13:55 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Oct 18 10:04:41 2005 Subject: Audiomulch, was Re: [linux-audio-user] Frontier Design Tranzport working In-Reply-To: <4354F8BF.8080605@woh.rr.com> References: <20051018083940.89629.qmail@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> <5969.1129639019@www60.gmx.net> <4354F8BF.8080605@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <43550323.3060106@woh.rr.com> And let's not forget to change those subject lines when the topic changes ! ;-) Dave Phillips wrote: > Favio@gmx.net wrote: > >> Does anyone of you know an open source program (also for XP if >> possible), >> which follows the same concept as audiomulch? >> >> > No, but Audiomulch has run under some versions of WINE. > > Best, > > dp > > From emillo at libero.it Tue Oct 18 09:58:31 2005 From: emillo at libero.it (Emiliano Grilli) Date: Tue Oct 18 10:09:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Fronteir Design Tranzport working In-Reply-To: <200510180905.44646.ben@glw.com> References: <200510180845.j9I8igss010973@roar.music.columbia.edu> <200510180905.44646.ben@glw.com> Message-ID: <20051018135831.GA2386@emillo.net> marted?, 18 ottobre 2005 alle 09:05:44, Ben Loftis ha scritto: > Please post! I'm very interested! Me too :) > > Hello, > > > > I just got a Frontier Design Tranzport and after a little bit of work, > > I finally got it working with Linux. I was wondering if anyone was > > interested in knowing how it works and what not. If so, I will put > > together some documentation and source code and post it somewhere. > > > > -Art > -- Emiliano Grilli Linux user #209089 http://www.emillo.net From Favio at gmx.net Tue Oct 18 10:09:24 2005 From: Favio at gmx.net (Favio@gmx.net) Date: Tue Oct 18 10:09:28 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Frontier Design Tranzport working References: <4354FB9D.6070003@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <27174.1129644564@www40.gmx.net> Sorry the topic head is wrong :) But thx, I will try my luck with PD for a bit. Favio > --- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht --- > Von: Jon Stutters > An: A list for linux audio users > Betreff: Re: [linux-audio-user] Frontier Design Tranzport working > Datum: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:41:49 +0100 > > Favio@gmx.net wrote: > > Does anyone of you know an open source program (also for XP if > possible), > > which follows the same concept as audiomulch? > > Can't think of any direct replacements. However, a lot of the > functionality could be recreated in PD, ie. make up abstractions for > each of the AM contraptions, come up with a way of routing control > information from arrays to parameters. Whether this will be an adequate > replacement depends on how much of an Audiomulch power user you are. > > Jonny > www.jeremah.co.uk > -- Favio Masulli y Becker Contact: 07840 185 746 MSN : protoolz@hotmail.co.uk From b0ef at esben-stien.name Tue Oct 18 13:02:34 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Tue Oct 18 11:05:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Frontier Design Tranzport working In-Reply-To: <20051018083940.89629.qmail@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> (Arthur Choung's message of "Tue, 18 Oct 2005 01:39:40 -0700 (PDT)") References: <20051018083940.89629.qmail@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87oe5m21xx.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Arthur Choung writes: > anyone [..] interested in knowing how it works and what not (?). I'm very interested in this device;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 12:53:29 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Oct 18 12:53:31 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Frontier Design Tranzport working In-Reply-To: <87oe5m21xx.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <20051018083940.89629.qmail@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> <87oe5m21xx.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510180953s52395b1w7e31770704ac2ca0@mail.gmail.com> On 10/18/05, Esben Stien wrote: > Arthur Choung writes: > > > anyone [..] interested in knowing how it works and what not (?). > > I'm very interested in this device;). > As am I From m_nels at gmx.net Tue Oct 18 13:17:10 2005 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Tue Oct 18 13:17:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Hammerfall 9636 - troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <1128028526.26818.87.camel@dhin> References: <433AFC61.1000004@gmx.net> <1127941938.26818.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <433C3C93.1050507@gmx.net> <5bdc1c8b05092913577153f69e@mail.gmail.com> <1128028526.26818.87.camel@dhin> Message-ID: <43552E16.1030405@gmx.net> I think it's time for me to say thanks! You hit the nail right on the head, Paul. I've just picked up a W36 EPROM for the DIGI9636, and it worked instantly. Even on cheap little PC speakers, I can hear an improvement. Now, time to save up for some Alesis MII active monitors... Thank you Michael Nelson From cesare at poeticstudios.com Tue Oct 18 13:57:40 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare) Date: Tue Oct 18 13:57:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xfst anyone? Message-ID: <43553794.2080105@poeticstudios.com> Is the xfst author on this list? Or can someone else provide me a copy as an attachment or with a temporary link? Thanks in advance, c. www.cesaremarilungo.com From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Tue Oct 18 13:59:44 2005 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio-64) Date: Tue Oct 18 13:59:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Hammerfall 9636 - troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <43552E16.1030405@gmx.net> References: <433AFC61.1000004@gmx.net> <1127941938.26818.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <433C3C93.1050507@gmx.net> <5bdc1c8b05092913577153f69e@mail.gmail.com> <1128028526.26818.87.camel@dhin> <43552E16.1030405@gmx.net> Message-ID: <43553810.7070409@walescomputers.co.uk> HI I was lucky with my RME as it was set for PC and worked from day one! Its a superb card with Linux and Ardour. I'm using the Behringer truth actives for monitors (didnt have to save a lot, from ebay!!) They sound good. cheers Bob Michael T D Nelson wrote: > I think it's time for me to say thanks! > > You hit the nail right on the head, Paul. I've just picked up a W36 > EPROM for the DIGI9636, and it worked instantly. > > Even on cheap little PC speakers, I can hear an improvement. Now, time > to save up for some Alesis MII active monitors... > > Thank you > Michael Nelson > > -- Bearmusic hearmymusic.co.uk From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 14:23:48 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Oct 18 14:23:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xfst anyone? In-Reply-To: <43553794.2080105@poeticstudios.com> References: <43553794.2080105@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510181123g62821237p6ddcc7bcf673c779@mail.gmail.com> Yes, Torben is on this list. He provided this link just a coupl eof days ago in another thread on this list: http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.3.tar.gz Have fun, Mark On 10/18/05, Cesare wrote: > Is the xfst author on this list? > > Or can someone else provide me a copy as an attachment or with a > temporary link? > > Thanks in advance, > > c. > www.cesaremarilungo.com > > > From m_nels at gmx.net Tue Oct 18 14:55:22 2005 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Tue Oct 18 14:55:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Hammerfall 9636 - troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <43553810.7070409@walescomputers.co.uk> References: <433AFC61.1000004@gmx.net> <1127941938.26818.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <433C3C93.1050507@gmx.net> <5bdc1c8b05092913577153f69e@mail.gmail.com> <1128028526.26818.87.camel@dhin> <43552E16.1030405@gmx.net> <43553810.7070409@walescomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <4355451A.2060206@gmx.net> studio-64 wrote: > HI > I was lucky with my RME as it was set for PC and worked from day one! > Its a superb card with Linux and Ardour. Well, I'm very happy now. It's wonderful to open qjackctl and see all those inputs and outputs lined up neatly. > I'm using the Behringer truth actives for monitors (didnt have to save a > lot, from ebay!!) > > They sound good. Thanks for the advice. I'll try to have a listen to a pair somewhere. That was a small error earlier - I meant Alesis M One Mk2 Actives. The reason I'd like a pair of Mk2s is that two of my friends at University each had them, and I really liked the way that they sound. I have to be honest - the fact that they are made of materials like carbon fibre and pure silk (with blue LEDs) appeals to me too! The Behringers look comparable though (and a little cheaper too...) Thanks Michael Nelson From dubphil at free.fr Tue Oct 18 18:04:35 2005 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Tue Oct 18 16:05:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sooperlooper loose connection Message-ID: <60217.192.168.0.2.1129673075.squirrel@192.168.0.2> Hello, Here is what I get when I run sooperlooper and slgui : gentoodaw ~ $ sooperlooper SooperLooper 1.0.3 Copyright 2005 Jesse Chappell OSC server URI (network) is: osc.udp://gentoodaw:9951/ OSC error -2: Name or service not known gentoodaw ~ $ slgui slgui: our URL is osc.udp://gentoodaw:14303/ slgui: spawned new engine OSC error -2: Name or service not known sooperlooper warning: could not open for reading: /home/dubphil/.sooperlooper/default_midi.slb slgui: remote looper is at osc.udp://gentoodaw:9951/ version=1.0.3 loopcount=1 and the gui give me this popup message after about 10 seconds of connection : "Lost connection to SooperLooper engine. See the Preferences->Connections tab to start a new one" If I start a new one it stands about 10 seconds and I lost again the connection. If I quit and stop engine it remains some process of sooperlooper. default_midi.slb is really not here is it needed for sooperlooper to work properly ? jack : 0.99.0 qjackctl : 0.2.17 gentoodaw ~ $ uname -a Linux gentoodaw 2.6.12-rc3-RT-V0.7.46-02 #1 SMP Sun Jul 17 00:13:11 CEST 2005 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux any idea what is going wrong ? Regards Philippe From cesare at poeticstudios.com Tue Oct 18 16:30:43 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare) Date: Tue Oct 18 16:30:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xfst anyone? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510181123g62821237p6ddcc7bcf673c779@mail.gmail.com> References: <43553794.2080105@poeticstudios.com> <5bdc1c8b0510181123g62821237p6ddcc7bcf673c779@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43555B73.3040509@poeticstudios.com> Thanks and sorry for the noise. c. Mark Knecht wrote: >Yes, Torben is on this list. He provided this link just a coupl eof >days ago in another thread on this list: > >http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.3.tar.gz > >Have fun, >Mark > >On 10/18/05, Cesare wrote: > > >>Is the xfst author on this list? >> >>Or can someone else provide me a copy as an attachment or with a >>temporary link? >> >>Thanks in advance, >> >>c. >>www.cesaremarilungo.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > From ross at jose.lug.udel.edu Tue Oct 18 20:16:31 2005 From: ross at jose.lug.udel.edu (Ross Vandegrift) Date: Tue Oct 18 20:16:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Frontier Design Tranzport working In-Reply-To: <20051018083940.89629.qmail@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051018083940.89629.qmail@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051019001631.GA22803@jose.lug.udel.edu> On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 01:39:40AM -0700, Arthur Choung wrote: > I just got a Frontier Design Tranzport and after a little bit of work, > I finally got it working with Linux. I was wondering if anyone was > interested in knowing how it works and what not. If so, I will put > together some documentation and source code and post it somewhere. Sounds awesome to me! When I saw the device and it's price, I was pretty attacted. If you play with it a little and like it, I'll probably order one up. Once I have it, I'll have a better shot of helping out documenting/fixing issues ::-). I had previously considered getting a laptop and wireless access card and running Ardour via remote X11, but this solution is way better! -- Ross Vandegrift ross@lug.udel.edu "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell." --St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37 From cmetzler at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 18 21:42:05 2005 From: cmetzler at speakeasy.net (cmetzler@speakeasy.net) Date: Tue Oct 18 21:42:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Status of AMD64 in LAU world? Forced system replacement. Message-ID: Hi folks, My motherboard failed recently. I'm looking at buying a new system, and AMD64 looks sexy; and it's been around for long enough now that I'd naively think the software situation would be fairly stable. Is it? I've done some googling through the archives of this list, and early in the year people were suggesting that a fair number of apps still had trouble in 64-bit. Is this still the case? I use Rosegarden, Specimen, Ardour and Audacity for the most part. Are people using these apps OK on AMD64 platforms? -c P.S. For that matter, any advice on specific hardware (e.g. mobos to look at/stay away from, in your experience) would be greatly appreciated. From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Tue Oct 18 21:42:42 2005 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Tue Oct 18 21:42:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] Music made with linux Message-ID: Hi, this is an ancient track. Its improvised music with Geir Haugarvoll on drums and computer-keyboard and myself on bass-guitar and vocals. The special thing about this music is that it used one of the very first programs to support jack. The program manipulates the sound coming from the drums and the vocals, plus that it plays some samples in weird ways dependent on some drunk-random routines controled by the computer-keyboard, I think. I think its recorded in march 2002 or something, and back then jack was so unstable that I had a script going simultaniously to kill (SIGKILL) and start up both the jack server and my custom made jack-client software each 30 seconds. Jack would not survive anylonger anyway, so it was best to kill it in a controled fashion. http://www.notam02.no/~kjetism/mp3/sbs_3.ogg -- From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Tue Oct 18 22:10:53 2005 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Tue Oct 18 22:11:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] Music made with linux In-Reply-To: <200510190147.j9J1lHsq031996@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200510190147.j9J1lHsq031996@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: >simultaniously to kill (SIGKILL) and start up >both the jack server and my custom made jack-client >software each 30 seconds. Jack would not survive >anylonger anyway, so it was best to kill it in >a controled fashion. Hmm, well, it was probably a bit more than 30 seconds, since the track is 42 seconds... -- From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 22:45:50 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Oct 18 22:45:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Status of AMD64 in LAU world? Forced system replacement. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510181945k1f5d0791gd33c609bc13a501f@mail.gmail.com> On 10/18/05, cmetzler@speakeasy.net wrote: > > Hi folks, > > My motherboard failed recently. I'm looking at buying a new system, > and AMD64 looks sexy; and it's been around for long enough now that > I'd naively think the software situation would be fairly stable. > Is it? I've done some googling through the archives of this list, > and early in the year people were suggesting that a fair number of > apps still had trouble in 64-bit. Is this still the case? I use > Rosegarden, Specimen, Ardour and Audacity for the most part. Are > people using these apps OK on AMD64 platforms? > > -c > > P.S. For that matter, any advice on specific hardware (e.g. mobos > to look at/stay away from, in your experience) would be greatly > appreciated. Sorry about the problems with your systems. OK, so I've been messing with an AMD64 for maybe 5-6 weeks, probably half time. It's hard for me to really recommend it yet, but the results are recently pretty positive as far as I've taken them, which isn't very far: Note that I didn't start to get a really good kernel before last week. 1) I'm using an HDSP 9652. With the very newest kernels, in my case 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 - I'm running at 64/2 with no real xruns for two days now. (By real I mean xruns not created by doing things you would never do in a session, such as pulling 1394 cables, adding new devices, etc.) That siad my wokload has been very light and I've done almost no recording so it's pretty untested as of yet. 2) I've used almost no plugins, which is typical for me, so I cannot say that any of that works at all. 3) A lot of multimedia web stuff doesn't work. I have no idea if that's important to you. If you need it you can get away with something like Firefox-bin and much of it works. That's not 64-bit though. (Doesn't matter to me...) 4) The memory footprint of pretty much everything is larger so if you were used to 512MB consider 768MB or 1GB for equivalent operation. 5) Basic 1394 support is working pretty well but I don't know about FreeBob. I see know reason why it shouldn't work. 6) My main work is using Ardour and Aqualung. Beyond that it's just touch and go with other apps. As for distro I'm doing this on Gentoo-AMD64-2005.1. Fernando is working on similar kernels for the Planet, however he and I seem to be running into 100% different problems. To me that's a little scary as far as recommending anything, but it may be workload based...who knows? Obviously his job is much larger and far harder than mine. My motherboard is an Asus A8N-E. I used external 1394 audio drives, both 1394a and 1394b, both running from the same OHCI controller. I have a 250GB internal SATA drive of which I'm using only about 10GB so far... Hoep this helps, or at least was interesting. ;-) Cheers, Mark From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 23:57:18 2005 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Oct 18 23:57:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Status of AMD64 in LAU world? Forced system replacement. In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510181945k1f5d0791gd33c609bc13a501f@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0510181945k1f5d0791gd33c609bc13a501f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/19/05, Mark Knecht wrote: > Sorry about the problems with your systems. > > OK, so I've been messing with an AMD64 for maybe 5-6 weeks, probably > half time. It's hard for me to really recommend it yet, but the > results are recently pretty positive as far as I've taken them, which > isn't very far: Note that I didn't start to get a really good kernel > before last week. > > 1) I'm using an HDSP 9652. With the very newest kernels, in my case > 2.6.14-rc4-rt7 - I'm running at 64/2 with no real xruns for two days > now. (By real I mean xruns not created by doing things you would never > do in a session, such as pulling 1394 cables, adding new devices, > etc.) That siad my wokload has been very light and I've done almost no > recording so it's pretty untested as of yet. > > 2) I've used almost no plugins, which is typical for me, so I cannot > say that any of that works at all. > > 3) A lot of multimedia web stuff doesn't work. I have no idea if > that's important to you. If you need it you can get away with > something like Firefox-bin and much of it works. That's not 64-bit > though. (Doesn't matter to me...) > > 4) The memory footprint of pretty much everything is larger so if you > were used to 512MB consider 768MB or 1GB for equivalent operation. > > 5) Basic 1394 support is working pretty well but I don't know about > FreeBob. I see know reason why it shouldn't work. > > 6) My main work is using Ardour and Aqualung. Beyond that it's just > touch and go with other apps. > > As for distro I'm doing this on Gentoo-AMD64-2005.1. > > Fernando is working on similar kernels for the Planet, however he and > I seem to be running into 100% different problems. To me that's a > little scary as far as recommending anything, but it may be workload > based...who knows? Obviously his job is much larger and far harder > than mine. > > My motherboard is an Asus A8N-E. I used external 1394 audio drives, > both 1394a and 1394b, both running from the same OHCI controller. I > have a 250GB internal SATA drive of which I'm using only about 10GB so > far... > > Hoep this helps, or at least was interesting. ;-) > > Cheers, > Mark > > I'm running amd64 here too. MSI xpress 200 based motherboard, the one with the ati chipset. Seems to work well for me so far. Though you'll need a 32 bit build of stuff like mplayer if you want to use win32 codecs. Also stuff like wine/cedega of course need to be 32 bit as well. All round so far i really haven't had much time to customise/play with it, as i've been very busy over the last few months with my thesis, but the system all round seems to be very good. I wouldn't recommend the xpress 200 chipset under linux for anything other than 2-d graphics though. 3-d performance is terrible. Luckly i've got a nvidia card in it now. ;-) Though for 2-d only stuff i'd think about something with open source drivers. I'd assume that would be better for audio work. The system really copes well with a huge amount of plugins/synths which is really nice, though i had a p3 650 before so it's a bit of a change anyway! Loki From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Oct 19 06:05:06 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Oct 19 06:04:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Focusrite Saffire (and other DSP firewire cards) Linux compatible ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200510191105.06818.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 18 October 2005 14:09, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan was like: > Hello, people :-) > > I hope this will not be too much OT ... > > I am considering the firewire audio interface Focusrite Saffire. > Though it is not natively supported on Linux, an open-source project > exists, aiming to provide support for such Firewire based breakout > boxes. > http://sourceforge.net/projects/freebob/ > > I trust this driver works successfully for a few cards already ; my > question follows : > - Focusrite Saffire is a bit special, as it has on-board DSP effects > (reverb, etc) , controlled by provided PC/Mac software. Would this all > have to be re-implemented in order to work on Linux ? Or is there any > chance it would work on Linux ? > > I guess I might get relevant answers from the project site, but I > could not find a place to post questions. Focusrite as a company are fairly Linux-aware. I had a nice conversation with Phil Dudderidge about the saffire earlier this year. I doubt they'll be releasing GPL'd code anytime soon, but I know they would see the sense in supporting Linux. It probably is worth talking to them. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tito at rumford.de Wed Oct 19 10:07:47 2005 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Wed Oct 19 10:08:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] Music made with linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200510191607.47412.tito@rumford.de> "Kjetil S. Matheussen" : > Hi, this is an ancient track. Its improvised music > with Geir Haugarvoll on drums and computer-keyboard and > myself on bass-guitar and vocals. Listened to it over headphones. Not wearing them, mind you. I watch what happens. They don't disintegrate. Courage now. I put them on, get blown away. 40 seconds later I'm new. Somewhat. Wolfgang From jesse at essej.net Wed Oct 19 15:38:40 2005 From: jesse at essej.net (Jesse Chappell) Date: Wed Oct 19 15:38:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Frontier Design Tranzport working In-Reply-To: <20051018083940.89629.qmail@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051018083940.89629.qmail@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 10/18/05, Arthur Choung wrote: > Hello, > > I just got a Frontier Design Tranzport and after a little bit of work, > I finally got it working with Linux. I was wondering if anyone was > interested in knowing how it works and what not. If so, I will put > together some documentation and source code and post it somewhere. Yes, I'd be curious to know how you integrated it. Due to its bi-directional nature, it is a likely candidate for direct integration into an app that would control it (such as ardour). What have you tested it with? jlc From fbar at footils.org Wed Oct 19 16:43:59 2005 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Oct 19 16:48:23 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] Music made with linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051019204359.GE9414@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Kjetil S. Matheussen hat gesagt: // Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > Hi, this is an ancient track. Its improvised music > with Geir Haugarvoll on drums and computer-keyboard and > myself on bass-guitar and vocals. Hey, you two really should play at next year's LAC! Seriously. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From ce at christeck.de Wed Oct 19 17:13:16 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Wed Oct 19 17:07:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Error building qsampler Message-ID: <200510192313.16402.ce@christeck.de> Hi, I just tried to build qsampler 0.1.2. Unfortunately it failed, regardless if I try to use the Gentoo ebuild or the source from sourceforge. I tried to google for the error messages but I didn't get any results so far. I get the following error: src/qsamplerDevice.cpp: In static member function `static QStringList qsamplerDevice::getDrivers(lscp_client_t*, qsamplerDevice::qsamplerDeviceType)': src/qsamplerDevice.cpp:646: error: `::lscp_list_available_audio_drivers' undeclared (first use here) src/qsamplerDevice.cpp:649: error: `::lscp_list_available_midi_drivers' undeclared (first use here) make[1]: *** [qsamplerDevice.o] Anyone did see something similar? If so, any hint would be great. BTW: I'm using qt-3.3.3. Thanks & best regards, ce From rncbc at rncbc.org Wed Oct 19 17:42:21 2005 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Wed Oct 19 17:42:31 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Error building qsampler In-Reply-To: <200510192313.16402.ce@christeck.de> References: <200510192313.16402.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <4356BDBD.6090709@rncbc.org> Christoph Eckert wrote: > Hi, > > > I just tried to build qsampler 0.1.2. Unfortunately it failed, > regardless if I try to use the Gentoo ebuild or the source from > sourceforge. > > I tried to google for the error messages but I didn't get any results so > far. I get the following error: > > src/qsamplerDevice.cpp: In static member function `static QStringList > qsamplerDevice::getDrivers(lscp_client_t*, > qsamplerDevice::qsamplerDeviceType)': > src/qsamplerDevice.cpp:646: error: `::lscp_list_available_audio_drivers' > undeclared (first use here) > src/qsamplerDevice.cpp:649: error: `::lscp_list_available_midi_drivers' > undeclared (first use here) > make[1]: *** [qsamplerDevice.o] > > Anyone did see something similar? If so, any hint would be great. > > BTW: I'm using qt-3.3.3. > I all looks like you're using an ancient liblscp install. Please, try to upgrade to the latest, liblscp 0.3.2. Oh, and the lastest from qsampler CVS HEAD is recommended too ;) Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From ce at christeck.de Wed Oct 19 18:19:02 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Wed Oct 19 18:13:02 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Error building qsampler In-Reply-To: <4356BDBD.6090709@rncbc.org> References: <200510192313.16402.ce@christeck.de> <4356BDBD.6090709@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <200510200019.02073.ce@christeck.de> Wow, thanks Rui for this *immediate* reply :) . > I all looks like you're using an ancient liblscp install. Please, try > to upgrade to the latest, liblscp 0.3.2. Oh, and the lastest from > qsampler CVS HEAD is recommended too ;) Thanks for the hint. I installed liblscp 0.3.1 from the homepage and qsampler just built fine. I guess according to your hints I'll try the latest versions over the weekend. Thanks a lot & good night :) , ce From arthur_choung at yahoo.com Thu Oct 20 00:26:23 2005 From: arthur_choung at yahoo.com (Arthur Choung) Date: Thu Oct 20 00:26:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tranzport docs/code Message-ID: <20051020042623.85380.qmail@web60323.mail.yahoo.com> OK, I put together some docs and sample/test code you can use to make sure your Tranzport is working, and to integrate it with your own programs. You can get it at http://tranzport.sf.net Work still needs to be done if you want to use the Tranzport with something like Ardour (or whatever you use) but the low level stuff is there. I don't use Ardour so I wouldn't know how to do that. (just FYI) I am using the Tranzport to control my "DAW", which consists of a fanless/headless Mini-ITX system and a Hammerfall PCI card. I record directly to RAM so there are no moving parts and no noise. On the software end I have a little program I wrote to do the multi-track recording/playback stuff through JACK. Then there's the program that provides the user interface through the Tranzport. Nothing fancy, but that's the way I like it. Keeps the CPU requirements down to a minimum. I used to use a CrystalFontz CF-631 LCD to control everything, but the Tranzport is a much nicer solution. __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From debian at fastwebnet.it Wed Oct 19 08:17:39 2005 From: debian at fastwebnet.it (Antonio) Date: Thu Oct 20 04:39:52 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel bug: how to report? In-Reply-To: <1129633663.10775.12.camel@localhost> References: <1129541942.3788.19.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510170358p3384251dp79b4b70018b05211@mail.gmail.com> <1129560127.3689.5.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510170833o5c718252n631eb8bf8b81d0f@mail.gmail.com> <1129633663.10775.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1129724259.4979.0.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 13:07 +0200, Antonio wrote: [cut] > This morning I've tried the rt8 patch and I can't even compile the > kernel! This is the error: > [cut] > > Maybe today there will be some others releases. In fact. I've just installed the rt9 patch and works again like a charm. Thanks to all had given me suggestions. Best Regards, ~ Antonio From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Oct 20 05:41:22 2005 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Oct 20 05:40:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Old tracks finaly recorded and mastered Message-ID: <20051020094122.GB8788@charly.SWORD> Hi! [Sorry for posting to lad before, tab-completion without checking back ...] Finaly got around to record a number of old tracks that I created using nothing but a GEM S3 keyboard in 1997/98 (well, and my brother's PC for selecting samples and putting them on a floppy for importing). Previoulsy they only existed on floppy and tape and one floppy is corrupted already ... Still in the process of loading them up to archive.org, but some are there by now: In order of my own rating, best at the top: http://www.archive.org/download/s3_07_the_darkness_surrounding_me/thorwil_s3_07_the_darkness_surrounding_me.ogg http://www.archive.org/download/s3_06_multibeatmode/thorwil_s3_06_multibeatmode.ogg http://www.archive.org/download/s3_05_leaving_it_all_behind/thorwil_s3_05_leaving_it_all_behind.ogg http://www.archive.org/download/s3_04_red_sun/thorwil_s3_04_red_sun.ogg http://www.archive.org/download/s3_02_rave_scales/thorwil_s3_02_rave_scales.ogg http://www.archive.org/download/s3_03_blue_beat/thorwil_s3_03_blue_beat.ogg http://www.archive.org/download/s3_08_where_do_i_want_to_go_today/thorwil_s3_08_where_do_i_want_to_go_today.ogg The detail pages can be reached from here: http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Thorsten%20Wilms%22 I wouldn't mind people writing reviews there ;) All recorded using the focused Timemachine. Cutting and normalizing with the most enjoyable Sweep. Mastering with the amazing Jamin. Need to practice that some more :). I wasn't aware of how much details can be brought to light using compression. The only problem was having to convert the 32bit float WAVs to 16 bit for lame, as it doesn't recognize that format. I used sndfile-convert for that. Too bad it doesn't take a flag for the output format, but requires filenames for that. But thanks to the nice folks at #lad, it didn't take long to arrive at a bash oneliner for converting a whole directoy. --- Thorsten Wilms From tuimonen at cc.hut.fi Thu Oct 20 08:37:22 2005 From: tuimonen at cc.hut.fi (Tommi Sakari Uimonen) Date: Thu Oct 20 08:37:33 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] buzz tracker In-Reply-To: <200510121812.31696.lau@kudla.org> References: <15373.216.239.124.38.1129149787.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <5bdc1c8b0510121426u525fd2fcs2f5c8226f582dc4f@mail.gmail.com> <200510121812.31696.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: > (Rosegarden is an incredibly nice and professional-feeling program, > but for example, even the crap Voyetra sequencer that came with my > sound card back in 1995 let me select a group of notes and drag a > certain way to change their duration.) It's not easy but it's not totally impossible: Select notes, then use the resize tool to resize one of the notes and all others will follow. I'd prefer keyboard modifiers with the select tool; Shift to resize, Alt to move, Ctrl to delete for instance.. Tommi From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 08:55:50 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Oct 20 08:55:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel bug: how to report? In-Reply-To: <1129724259.4979.0.camel@localhost> References: <1129541942.3788.19.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510170358p3384251dp79b4b70018b05211@mail.gmail.com> <1129560127.3689.5.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510170833o5c718252n631eb8bf8b81d0f@mail.gmail.com> <1129633663.10775.12.camel@localhost> <1129724259.4979.0.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510200555i4ae73ac4ia9619cfffbbdf475@mail.gmail.com> On 10/19/05, Antonio wrote: > On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 13:07 +0200, Antonio wrote: > [cut] > > This morning I've tried the rt8 patch and I can't even compile the > > kernel! This is the error: > > > [cut] > > > > Maybe today there will be some others releases. > > In fact. I've just installed the rt9 patch and works again like a charm. > > Thanks to all had given me suggestions. > Humm...I missed that one. It looks like I've done -rt1 -rt3 -rt5 -rt7 -rt11 Something about prime numbers I suppose. ;-) Cheers, Mark From conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de Thu Oct 20 09:07:26 2005 From: conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de (conrad =?iso-8859-1?q?berh=F6rster?=) Date: Thu Oct 20 09:10:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Phase 28 Configuration Message-ID: <200510201507.27913.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Hello List, since a few days i own a Terratec phase 28. This is an multi IO card with 8 outs and 2 in. Now i want to configure this card. ALSA 1.09b has recognized the card chip as ICE1724. Is this the right chip ? - alsamixer only gives me 4 multitrack sliders. how can i obtain each channel through alsamixer. i have no idea. - On the other hand, i have read somewhere, that the ICE1724 can be configured with envy24control. but this gui app doesn't start, with the message "No ICE1712 cards found" Well, thats right. Do i need another flag for compiling this app. is it better, to configure it through .asound.rc Any ideas are welcome. sizu c~ From debian at fastwebnet.it Thu Oct 20 09:54:27 2005 From: debian at fastwebnet.it (Antonio) Date: Thu Oct 20 09:53:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel bug: how to report? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510200555i4ae73ac4ia9619cfffbbdf475@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129541942.3788.19.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510170358p3384251dp79b4b70018b05211@mail.gmail.com> <1129560127.3689.5.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510170833o5c718252n631eb8bf8b81d0f@mail.gmail.com> <1129633663.10775.12.camel@localhost> <1129724259.4979.0.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510200555i4ae73ac4ia9619cfffbbdf475@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129816467.3920.5.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 05:55 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: [cut] > > In fact. I've just installed the rt9 patch and works again like a charm. > > > > Thanks to all had given me suggestions. > > > > Humm...I missed that one. It looks like I've done > > -rt1 > -rt3 > -rt5 > -rt7 > -rt11 I'm going to compile rt13 right now. I don't do in time to reproduce a bug that Ingo has jet release 2 o 3 newer patch, and so I have to recompile again. In this way I can't never report a bug that hit me :-/. For the record I can trigger again a bug with rt9, using lash+om +patchage+whysynth. > Something about prime numbers I suppose. ;-) Hopefully I will be more luky with the rt13 patch, afterall it's a prime number ;-). > Cheers, > Mark > From idragosani at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 10:25:36 2005 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett W. McCoy) Date: Thu Oct 20 10:25:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Track medley Message-ID: <18b65aac0510200725k1a519babte92d233b0eb4413@mail.gmail.com> Here's a medley of some of the work I've been doing in Ardour, with drums provided by Hydrogen and some hardware-based drum machines, and MIDI sequencing by Rosegarden, using a Korg N5 digital keyboard for instruments. All guitars and bass are live recordings. http://www.alhazred.com/music/teaser.m3u -- Brett -- Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.chapelperilous.net http://www.alhazred.com http://www.revelmoon.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Oct 20 10:38:31 2005 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare) Date: Thu Oct 20 10:38:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] issues compiling xfst Message-ID: <4357ABE7.2050105@poeticstudios.com> I get winebuild complaining about '-debug' not being a valid option. (I'm not on my linux box now). I'm using latest wine (20050930) on Slackware 10.2. Should I try another wine version? Already googled, to no avail. This is the most underground software I've ever tried :-) . Yes, I know the licensing problems. c. From doublehelixer at yahoo.com Thu Oct 20 10:39:03 2005 From: doublehelixer at yahoo.com (doublehelixer@yahoo.com) Date: Thu Oct 20 10:39:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] software that can rip indices? Message-ID: <20051020143903.57602.qmail@web30513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all, I'm having trouble finding an audio utility for linux which can rip individual files using indices on the CD's not just tracks. I have a large library of audio CD's I need to rip, and they all use indices as they all have more than 99 tracks. Can anybody recommend a tool that can handle these? Thanks in advance, - Andy __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Oct 20 06:41:08 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Oct 20 11:36:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel bug: how to report? In-Reply-To: <1129816467.3920.5.camel@localhost> References: <1129541942.3788.19.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510200555i4ae73ac4ia9619cfffbbdf475@mail.gmail.com> <1129816467.3920.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200510201041.08570.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Thursday 20 October 2005 13:54, Antonio wrote: > On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 05:55 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > [cut] > > > > In fact. I've just installed the rt9 patch and works again like a > > > charm. > > > > > > Thanks to all had given me suggestions. > > > > Humm...I missed that one. It looks like I've done > > > > -rt1 > > -rt3 > > -rt5 > > -rt7 > > -rt11 > > I'm going to compile rt13 right now. I don't do in time to reproduce a > bug that Ingo has jet release 2 o 3 newer patch, and so I have to > recompile again. In this way I can't never report a bug that hit me :-/. > > For the record I can trigger again a bug with rt9, using lash+om > +patchage+whysynth. > > > Something about prime numbers I suppose. ;-) > > Hopefully I will be more luky with the rt13 patch, afterall it's a prime > number ;-). Hi. What exactly is "patchage" for? I've got Whysynth on FC2, and now after a struggle on FC3. I am also trying to install Smack, which needs om as a dep, and saw patchage on the download list on om's site. Nigel. > > > Cheers, > > Mark From debian at fastwebnet.it Thu Oct 20 12:00:50 2005 From: debian at fastwebnet.it (Antonio) Date: Thu Oct 20 12:00:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel bug: how to report? In-Reply-To: <200510201041.08570.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <1129541942.3788.19.camel@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0510200555i4ae73ac4ia9619cfffbbdf475@mail.gmail.com> <1129816467.3920.5.camel@localhost> <200510201041.08570.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <1129824050.3797.6.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 10:41 +0000, Nigel Henry wrote: [cut] > Hi. What exactly is "patchage" for? I've got Whysynth on FC2, and now after a > struggle on FC3. I am also trying to install Smack, which needs om as a dep, > and saw patchage on the download list on om's site. Nigel. Patchage is a graphical patch bay to make jack and midi connections. It support session management through lash and this is the main reason I find it very interesting. http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/patchage.html By now I wasn't able to use it in a productive way in conjunction with lash because launching whysynth through jack-dssi-host I don't see the midi input, while loading whysynth in om and saving the session cause a kernel bug on session load. But I'm confident that that these issue will be fixed quite soon. Cheers, ~ Antonio From clemens at ladisch.de Thu Oct 20 12:10:08 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu Oct 20 12:10:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Phase 28 Configuration In-Reply-To: <200510201507.27913.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: conrad berh?rster wrote: > since a few days i own a Terratec phase 28. > This is an multi IO card with 8 outs and 2 in. > Now i want to configure this card. > > ALSA 1.09b has recognized the card chip as ICE1724. Is this the right chip ? Yes. > - alsamixer only gives me 4 multitrack sliders. how can i obtain each channel > through alsamixer. i have no idea. What is the output of "amixer controls"? > - On the other hand, i have read somewhere, that the ICE1724 can be configured > with envy24control. This is for ICE1712 chips only. Regards, Clemens From pdman at aproximation.org Thu Oct 20 12:32:41 2005 From: pdman at aproximation.org (thewade) Date: Thu Oct 20 12:32:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The standard FC4 kernel burps XRUNS Message-ID: <4357C6A9.5000507@aproximation.org> Hello again, I have another question for you all: can the Ingo's realtime kernel fixes be implemented as a module? (I know that it sounds silly, but I had to ask) Here is my situation. I am running FC4 on an AMD64 (with a 32-bit os because PD's arrays dont work in 64-bit) and a hammerfall card. I am using the standard kernel because rpm.livna.org has an ATI kernel module that allows me to use my graphics card as it should be used. I used to use Ingo's realtime kernel patches, but I was gambling that speeding up drawing to the screen might save me as much time as the realtime patch. WRONG! I used to be able to run jackd with 128 frames per period and 2 periods per buffer (~5ms), but now for the same occasional xrun I need 512 frames per period (~20ms). Ugh. Can I have my cake and eat it to - have the standard kernel and install the patch as an rpm (ATI=good && sound=good)? Or do I have to build a new kernel using Ingo's patches, then build the ATI kernel module seprately as well? Is a realtime patched kernel even compatable with the ATI module I wonder. So many questions: can anyone help? Thank you for your continued support, -thewade From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Oct 20 13:01:10 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Oct 20 12:59:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The standard FC4 kernel burps XRUNS In-Reply-To: <4357C6A9.5000507@aproximation.org> References: <4357C6A9.5000507@aproximation.org> Message-ID: <1129827670.4348.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 09:32 -0700, thewade wrote: > Hello again, > > I have another question for you all: can the Ingo's realtime kernel > fixes be implemented as a module? > (I know that it sounds silly, but I had to ask) absolutely not. they are deep, pervasive changes in the kernel code. > Here is my situation. I am running FC4 on an AMD64 (with a 32-bit os > because PD's arrays dont work in 64-bit) and a hammerfall card. I am > using the standard kernel because rpm.livna.org has an ATI kernel module > that allows me to use my graphics card as it should be used. this is the problem with using h/w with only closed source patches. > Or do I have to build a new kernel using Ingo's patches, then build the > ATI kernel module seprately as well? Is a realtime patched kernel even > compatable with the ATI module I wonder. you need the CCRMA kernel, which you don't have to compile, then you ned to get the ATI driver and compile it against the CCRMA kernel. the same problem exists for nvidia, btw. --p From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Oct 20 08:04:24 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Oct 20 12:59:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel bug: how to report? In-Reply-To: <1129824050.3797.6.camel@localhost> References: <1129541942.3788.19.camel@localhost> <200510201041.08570.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1129824050.3797.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200510201204.24065.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Thursday 20 October 2005 16:00, Antonio wrote: > On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 10:41 +0000, Nigel Henry wrote: > [cut] > > > Hi. What exactly is "patchage" for? I've got Whysynth on FC2, and now > > after a struggle on FC3. I am also trying to install Smack, which needs > > om as a dep, and saw patchage on the download list on om's site. Nigel. > > Patchage is a graphical patch bay to make jack and midi connections. It > support session management through lash and this is the main reason I > find it very interesting. > > http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/patchage.html > > By now I wasn't able to use it in a productive way in conjunction with > lash because launching whysynth through jack-dssi-host I don't see the > midi input, while loading whysynth in om and saving the session cause a > kernel bug on session load. > > But I'm confident that that these issue will be fixed quite soon. > > Cheers, > > ~ Antonio Hi Antonio. Thanks for that. It seems similar to the way I use qjackctl's midi connections, but with a lot more options. I havn't used LASH, but have bookmarked both it and patchage for further investigation. Do hope you get you're problem fixed soon. Nigel. From conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de Thu Oct 20 13:07:50 2005 From: conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de (conrad =?iso-8859-1?q?berh=F6rster?=) Date: Thu Oct 20 13:11:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Phase 28 Configuration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200510201907.51381.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Hallo Clemens, Am Donnerstag, 20. Oktober 2005 18:10 schrieb Clemens Ladisch: > conrad berh?rster wrote: > > since a few days i own a Terratec phase 28. > > This is an multi IO card with 8 outs and 2 in. > > Now i want to configure this card. > > > > ALSA 1.09b has recognized the card chip as ICE1724. Is this the right > > chip ? > > Yes. > > > - alsamixer only gives me 4 multitrack sliders. how can i obtain each > > channel through alsamixer. i have no idea. > > What is the output of "amixer controls"? > here we go : numid=1,iface=CARD,name='ICE1724 EEPROM' numid=2,iface=MIXER,name='Multi Track Internal Clock' numid=5,iface=MIXER,name='Multi Track Peak' numid=3,iface=MIXER,name='Multi Track Rate Locking' numid=4,iface=MIXER,name='Multi Track Rate Reset' > > - On the other hand, i have read somewhere, that the ICE1724 can be > > configured with envy24control. > > This is for ICE1712 chips only. hmm, after looking into the kernel sources, there is just one directory for the ice1712 kernel/sound/pci/ice1712 and there lives the driver for some cards, e.g. the ice1724. any idea, how hard it would be to include ice1724 into the envy24control. sizu c~ From torbenh at gmx.de Thu Oct 20 17:29:31 2005 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Thu Oct 20 17:11:42 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <1129556867.9229.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <4352C887.6040008@nyvalls.se> <1129517531.9059.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43533404.6020903@starband.net> <1129556867.9229.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20051020212931.GA4707@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 09:47:47AM -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > > I rebuilt xfst against wine 20050725 (the oficial ubuntu breezy) and > tested with other VSTs (jack is set to a latency of 11.6 msecs): > > - Crystal vst zombifies and exits from jack but it doesn't lock. If I > set Jack to a higher Timeout period (1000msecs) it loads and works fine! hi... i forgot to mention the -r option Crystal WORKS. ./xfst -r Crystal.dll even with -p 128 which i generally use. > - DelayLama works perfect (it even shows the GUI animation properly) > - Synful orchestra works fine. > - GRMTools seem to be working fine without some of them crashing as in > jack_fst. > > Great! xfst seems to be the solution for linux-vst. I can help to set it > up and mantain a web site (would it be ok at sourceforge?) but I guess > it would be good if we create a complete package including install > script in the make file (I don't have experience doing this, but I can > figure it out) and a README. Is someone else interested in helping > Torben and making it available publicly? yes please. and dont forget. you dont help ME. you help yourself ;) > > > thanks! > > > hector > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Oct 20 23:02:57 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Oct 20 22:53:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <20051020212931.GA4707@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <4352C887.6040008@nyvalls.se> <1129517531.9059.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43533404.6020903@starband.net> <1129556867.9229.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20051020212931.GA4707@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> Message-ID: <43585A61.7000309@woh.rr.com> torbenh@gmx.de wrote: >hi... i forgot to mention the -r option >Crystal WORKS. > >./xfst -r Crystal.dll > > >even with -p 128 which i generally use. > > Ah, thanks for the mention. Crystal does indeed work here now, nicely even on a PII 366. Best, dp From notmyprivateemail at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 02:23:52 2005 From: notmyprivateemail at gmail.com (Alex Polite) Date: Fri Oct 21 02:23:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] USB soundcard to replace minidisc Message-ID: I make interviews on minidisc and air them on FM. I'm looking to replace the minidisc either with an Edirol R-1 or a usb soundcard that I can jack into my ultraportable. If I go for the soundcard option I'd like to find something with more then one mic input. I use ordinary el chepo electret mics, no fancy XLR phantom powered stuff. What are my options for usb soundcards, if I wan't something that works under linux (without patching and hacking)? alex -- Alex Polite http://flosspick.org - finding the right open source From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Thu Oct 20 21:24:03 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Fri Oct 21 03:05:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: WhySynth DSSI softsynth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200510210324.04921.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> El Martes, 18 de Octubre de 2005 11:37, Juhana Sadeharju escribi?: > The same for Zynaddsubfx etc. This is not tecno, and it's not rambling music, but all the melodic instruments were played with zynaddsubfx, and hydrogen for the drums. -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) fecha: vie oct 21 03:15:02 CEST 2005 ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From dsb at eagle.ru Fri Oct 21 06:27:57 2005 From: dsb at eagle.ru (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Fri Oct 21 06:24:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol FA-101 Message-ID: <4358C2AD.7040307@eagle.ru> Hello! Recently got FA-101. But can't get it to work. Jackd log is below. Thank you in advance. Regards, Dmitry. ---- JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. IEC61883: Using FreeBobCtl lib version 0.0.1 (Build Oct 20 2005 - 01:33:14) Reading from OSC URL: osc.udp://localhost:31000 requesting channel info from osc.udp://localhost:31000 adding generic handler... adding /reponse handler... parsing address... sending request... waiting for response... ok freeing... done... ConnectionInfo contains 1 connection_specs IEC61883: Adding 1 capture connection(s)... IEC61883: capture connection 0: 0 streams, dim 0 from (0,11,11) IEC61883: adding stream 0: (1,1) 0x06 0x02 -> 0 (MicIn1 l) IEC61883: adding stream 1: (6,2) 0x06 0x02 -> 0 (MicIn1 right) IEC61883: adding stream 2: (2,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineIn 3&4 l) IEC61883: adding stream 3: (7,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineIn 3&4 right) IEC61883: adding stream 4: (3,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineIn 5&6 l) IEC61883: adding stream 5: (8,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineIn 5&6 right) IEC61883: adding stream 6: (4,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineIn 7&8 l) IEC61883: adding stream 7: (9,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineIn 7&8 right) IEC61883: adding stream 8: (0,1) 0x06 0x04 -> 0 (SpdifIn left) IEC61883: adding stream 9: (5,2) 0x06 0x04 -> 0 (SpdifIn righ) IEC61883: adding stream 10: (10,1) 0x0D 0x0A -> 0 (MidiPort) requesting channel info from osc.udp://localhost:31000 adding generic handler... adding /reponse handler... parsing address... sending request... waiting for response... ok freeing... done... ConnectionInfo contains 1 connection_specs IEC61883: Adding 1 playback connection(s)... IEC61883: playback connection 0: 0 streams, dim 0 to (0,11,11) IEC61883: adding stream 0: (1,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 1&2 left) IEC61883: adding stream 1: (6,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 1&2 righ) IEC61883: adding stream 2: (2,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 3&4 left) IEC61883: adding stream 3: (7,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 3&4 righ) IEC61883: adding stream 4: (3,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 5&6 left) IEC61883: adding stream 5: (8,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 5&6 righ) IEC61883: adding stream 6: (4,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 7&8 left) IEC61883: adding stream 7: (9,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 7&8 righ) IEC61883: adding stream 8: (0,1) 0x06 0x04 -> 0 (SpdifOut lef) IEC61883: adding stream 9: (5,2) 0x06 0x04 -> 0 (SpdifOut rig) IEC61883: adding stream 10: (10,1) 0x0D 0x0A -> 0 (MidiPort) IEC61883D: Creating driver (period_size=256, ringbuffer_size=8192) Creating IEC61883 client... 256/8192/48000 poll timeout = 5 ms Creating 11 buffers of 8192 quadlets... IEC61883C: Creating playback connection from node 65472, plug 0 prebuffers=0, buffers=300, irq_interval=100 Creating 11 buffers of 8192 quadlets... IEC61883 Client created... Initializing OSC debug & statistics server... port 31001 OK Starting OSC debug & statistics server... OK IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_MicIn1 l IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_MicIn1 right IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_LineIn 3&4 l IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_LineIn 3&4 right IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_LineIn 5&6 l IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_LineIn 5&6 right IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_LineIn 7&8 l IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_LineIn 7&8 right IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_SpdifIn left IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_SpdifIn righ IEC61883CM: registered midi port MidiIn_0_0_0_MidiPort_1 as 128:0 IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 1&2 left IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 1&2 righ IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 3&4 left IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 3&4 righ IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 5&6 left IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 5&6 righ IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 7&8 left IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 7&8 righ IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_SpdifOut lef IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_SpdifOut rig IEC61883CM: registered midi port MidiOut_0_0_0_MidiPort_1 as 128:1 Client start... creating capture connections... libiec61883 warning: iec61883_cmp_create_p2p_output: Failed to set the oPCR[0] plug f or node 0. Init ISO master receive handler on channel -1... (BUFFER=300,PACKET_MAX=2048 ,IRQ=100)... Start ISO master receive... IEC61883C: couldn't start receiving: Invalid argument DRIVER NT: could not start driver cannot start driver From rozman at fri.uni-lj.si Fri Oct 21 07:54:15 2005 From: rozman at fri.uni-lj.si (Robert Rozman) Date: Fri Oct 21 07:54:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] synhronized play of single audio on multiple media clients Message-ID: <000f01c5d636$291ece70$ce4c02c1@Robynovifri> Hi, I'm more or less linux sound newbie. I'm using few popular open source projects (Misterhouse, Plutohome), that all implement some kind of multiple audio clients using Xine, Alsaplayer, VLC and media is stored on server. Now this scheme works quite good, the problem arises when one would like to play single audio on multiple media clients in synhronized manner, so one would not hear any differences between separate clients. Now I wonder what option I have to implement such system.... I'd prefer to use VLC, Xine or Alsaplayer as clients if it's possible to somehow synhronize them at server. Also I'm interested if I have any options to synhronize audio playin at client side.... If you would implement such system, how would you do it? With what tools (I'd prefer open source solutions) ? Also I'kindly ask if you can point me to more info about this problem Thanks in advance for your help, regards, Rob. From jh at brainiac.com Fri Oct 21 08:20:26 2005 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Fri Oct 21 08:20:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] synhronized play of single audio on multiple media clients In-Reply-To: <000f01c5d636$291ece70$ce4c02c1@Robynovifri> References: <000f01c5d636$291ece70$ce4c02c1@Robynovifri> Message-ID: <20051021082026.7260d83e.jh@brainiac.com> On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:54:15 +0200 "Robert Rozman" wrote: > I'm more or less linux sound newbie. I'm using few popular open source > projects (Misterhouse, Plutohome), that all implement some kind of multiple > audio clients using Xine, Alsaplayer, VLC and media is stored on server. Now > this scheme works quite good, the problem arises when one would like to play > single audio on multiple media clients in synhronized manner, so one would > not hear any differences between separate clients. I've got a friend who has been trying to do this for years, though mostly in the Windoze world without the level of success he's hoped for. I have been able to accomplish this, though, with some open source software under Linux. Last year I bought a SqueezeBox from the folks at http://slimdevices.com and it's a thing of wonder - I no longer need a laptop in my living room connected to my stereo to access my music server! There's a slimserver component that runs on my server, and there is a Java client that emulates a SqueezeBox at http://softsqueeze.sourceforge.net/ You can run all of this without actually having a SqueezeBox, and by running Softsqueeze on different computers on your network, you can have synchronized music throughout the house. It's unrealistic to expect synchronization in the clients you list; it's got to be built into the player, it really can't be bolted on. Good luck! -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From b0ef at esben-stien.name Fri Oct 21 10:20:22 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Fri Oct 21 08:24:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tranzport docs/code In-Reply-To: <20051020042623.85380.qmail@web60323.mail.yahoo.com> (Arthur Choung's message of "Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:26:23 -0700 (PDT)") References: <20051020042623.85380.qmail@web60323.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87oe5jrly1.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Arthur Choung writes: > Tranzport is working I'm aiming at getting one for Christmas;). Thank you for this code. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From dsb at eagle.ru Fri Oct 21 08:49:15 2005 From: dsb at eagle.ru (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Fri Oct 21 08:46:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol FA-101 Message-ID: <4358E3CB.5070008@eagle.ru> Hello! Recently got FA-101. But can't get it to work. Jackd log is below. Thank you in advance. Regards, Dmitry. ---- JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. IEC61883: Using FreeBobCtl lib version 0.0.1 (Build Oct 20 2005 - 01:33:14) Reading from OSC URL: osc.udp://localhost:31000 requesting channel info from osc.udp://localhost:31000 adding generic handler... adding /reponse handler... parsing address... sending request... waiting for response... ok freeing... done... ConnectionInfo contains 1 connection_specs IEC61883: Adding 1 capture connection(s)... IEC61883: capture connection 0: 0 streams, dim 0 from (0,11,11) IEC61883: adding stream 0: (1,1) 0x06 0x02 -> 0 (MicIn1 l) IEC61883: adding stream 1: (6,2) 0x06 0x02 -> 0 (MicIn1 right) IEC61883: adding stream 2: (2,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineIn 3&4 l) IEC61883: adding stream 3: (7,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineIn 3&4 right) IEC61883: adding stream 4: (3,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineIn 5&6 l) IEC61883: adding stream 5: (8,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineIn 5&6 right) IEC61883: adding stream 6: (4,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineIn 7&8 l) IEC61883: adding stream 7: (9,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineIn 7&8 right) IEC61883: adding stream 8: (0,1) 0x06 0x04 -> 0 (SpdifIn left) IEC61883: adding stream 9: (5,2) 0x06 0x04 -> 0 (SpdifIn righ) IEC61883: adding stream 10: (10,1) 0x0D 0x0A -> 0 (MidiPort) requesting channel info from osc.udp://localhost:31000 adding generic handler... adding /reponse handler... parsing address... sending request... waiting for response... ok freeing... done... ConnectionInfo contains 1 connection_specs IEC61883: Adding 1 playback connection(s)... IEC61883: playback connection 0: 0 streams, dim 0 to (0,11,11) IEC61883: adding stream 0: (1,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 1&2 left) IEC61883: adding stream 1: (6,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 1&2 righ) IEC61883: adding stream 2: (2,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 3&4 left) IEC61883: adding stream 3: (7,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 3&4 righ) IEC61883: adding stream 4: (3,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 5&6 left) IEC61883: adding stream 5: (8,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 5&6 righ) IEC61883: adding stream 6: (4,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 7&8 left) IEC61883: adding stream 7: (9,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 7&8 righ) IEC61883: adding stream 8: (0,1) 0x06 0x04 -> 0 (SpdifOut lef) IEC61883: adding stream 9: (5,2) 0x06 0x04 -> 0 (SpdifOut rig) IEC61883: adding stream 10: (10,1) 0x0D 0x0A -> 0 (MidiPort) IEC61883D: Creating driver (period_size=256, ringbuffer_size=8192) Creating IEC61883 client... 256/8192/48000 poll timeout = 5 ms Creating 11 buffers of 8192 quadlets... IEC61883C: Creating playback connection from node 65472, plug 0 prebuffers=0, buffers=300, irq_interval=100 Creating 11 buffers of 8192 quadlets... IEC61883 Client created... Initializing OSC debug & statistics server... port 31001 OK Starting OSC debug & statistics server... OK IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_MicIn1 l IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_MicIn1 right IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_LineIn 3&4 l IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_LineIn 3&4 right IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_LineIn 5&6 l IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_LineIn 5&6 right IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_LineIn 7&8 l IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_LineIn 7&8 right IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_SpdifIn left IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_SpdifIn righ IEC61883CM: registered midi port MidiIn_0_0_0_MidiPort_1 as 128:0 IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 1&2 left IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 1&2 righ IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 3&4 left IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 3&4 righ IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 5&6 left IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 5&6 righ IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 7&8 left IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 7&8 righ IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_SpdifOut lef IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_SpdifOut rig IEC61883CM: registered midi port MidiOut_0_0_0_MidiPort_1 as 128:1 Client start... creating capture connections... libiec61883 warning: iec61883_cmp_create_p2p_output: Failed to set the oPCR[0] plug f or node 0. Init ISO master receive handler on channel -1... (BUFFER=300,PACKET_MAX=2048 ,IRQ=100)... Start ISO master receive... IEC61883C: couldn't start receiving: Invalid argument DRIVER NT: could not start driver cannot start driver From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Oct 21 14:15:06 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Oct 21 14:37:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Edirol FA-101 In-Reply-To: <4358C2AD.7040307@eagle.ru> References: <4358C2AD.7040307@eagle.ru> Message-ID: <1129918506.17483.6.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 14:27 +0400, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > Hello! > Recently got FA-101. > But can't get it to work. Jackd log is below. > Thank you in advance. Are you using a customized jackd? What version? What command line? Do you have any evidence that anyone has ever made this work? Lee From A.Kuckartz at ping.de Fri Oct 21 15:07:28 2005 From: A.Kuckartz at ping.de (Andreas Kuckartz) Date: Fri Oct 21 15:07:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Edirol FA-101 In-Reply-To: <1129918506.17483.6.camel@mindpipe> References: <4358C2AD.7040307@eagle.ru> <1129918506.17483.6.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <43593C70.3020606@ping.de> Lee Revell wrote:: > Do you have any evidence that anyone has ever made this work? This probably does not count as evidence but it is on the list of devices supported by FreeBoB: http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Supported_Devices Cheers, Andreas From c0ff at konstruktiv.org Fri Oct 21 15:27:54 2005 From: c0ff at konstruktiv.org (Dmitry S. Baikov) Date: Fri Oct 21 15:28:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Edirol FA-101 Message-ID: <4359413A.2010805@konstruktiv.org> > Are you using a customized jackd? What version? What command line? Do > you have any evidence that anyone has ever made this work? > Opps, sorry for skipping obviously needed details. Was really upset. I tried freebob + jackd from freebob.sf.net. libavc from svn, libiec61883 1.0, libraw1394 1.2 cmdline: jackd -d iec61883 -o osc.udp://localhost:31000 FreeBoB wiki's list of working setups contains FA-101 + gentoo (my distro). When run in the first time, jackd starts, but there's no sound, and seems processing callbacks aren't called (no interrupts?). Dmitry. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Oct 21 15:50:23 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Oct 21 15:51:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Edirol FA-101 In-Reply-To: <4359413A.2010805@konstruktiv.org> References: <4359413A.2010805@konstruktiv.org> Message-ID: <1129924223.17709.15.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 23:27 +0400, Dmitry S. Baikov wrote: > > Are you using a customized jackd? What version? What command line? Do > > you have any evidence that anyone has ever made this work? > > > Opps, sorry for skipping obviously needed details. Was really upset. > I tried freebob + jackd from freebob.sf.net. > libavc from svn, libiec61883 1.0, libraw1394 1.2 > cmdline: jackd -d iec61883 -o osc.udp://localhost:31000 > > FreeBoB wiki's list of working setups contains FA-101 + gentoo (my distro). > When run in the first time, jackd starts, but there's no sound, and > seems processing callbacks aren't called (no interrupts?). I think this would be a better question for the Freebob list, and cc: the jackit-devel list, as you're using a version of JACK that the Freebob people have customized. I've never heard anyone on LAD or LAU report that this works. First and foremost, we need to get the iec61883 driver into JACK CVS, so that Paul Davis and the other JACK experts can help you. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Oct 21 15:55:40 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Oct 21 15:56:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol FA-101 In-Reply-To: <4358C2AD.7040307@eagle.ru> References: <4358C2AD.7040307@eagle.ru> Message-ID: <1129924541.17709.20.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 14:27 +0400, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > IEC61883: Using FreeBobCtl lib version 0.0.1 (Build Oct 20 2005 - 01:33:14) Version 0.0.1? Somehow I am not surprised to find that it's buggy ;-) > libiec61883 warning: iec61883_cmp_create_p2p_output: Failed to set > the > oPCR[0] plug f > or node 0. You should ask the Freebob people (or whoever wrote libiec61883) whether this is a serious error. Lee From Martin.Wohlleben at gmx.de Fri Oct 21 15:31:08 2005 From: Martin.Wohlleben at gmx.de (Martin Wohlleben) Date: Fri Oct 21 16:02:04 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> Message-ID: torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 09:33:07AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: >> On 10/13/05, Paul Davis >> wrote: >> > On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 16:59 +0200, Cesare wrote: >> > > I think that a clean solution to host vst plugins (at least the >> > > effects) could be this : taking the wine approach (and maybe some >> > > code) and just implement those calls that are relevant to audio >> > > plugins (file access for loading and saving presets, math libraries >> > > etc.) without handling graphics at all.We have the info for the >> > > effect parameters in the dll and we can provide a standard interface >> > > (like the simpler vst effects in cubase) to tweak parameters. >> > > >> > > Is this possible? >> > >> > absolutely not possible. >> > >> >> I'll go even a bit further. VSts are Windows programs and they should >> just work under Wine. Paul & Torben's time is probably better spent >> elsewhere. >> >> I'd like to see every Linux Audio user interested in this subject >> start pressing the Wine folks to support this themselves. Let's pay >> attention to the Windows apps that can host VSTs and VSTi's. Acid Pro >> is a commercial one that comes to mind. Fruity Loops, etc. There's got >> to be free VST loaders out there for Windows. Older versions of Acid >> install and run fine under Wine but do not handle VSTs very well. The >> new versions don't install or run. >> >> Putting together yet another hack outside of Wine that will run for 1 >> year and then die when gcc5 comes out would be disappointing. Let's >> get the Wine folks to support this. >> >> Please enter apps in the Wine AppDB and enter test results in Wine's >> Bugzilla. If there are enough of us entering 100's of apps then >> they'll pay attention. Maybe not fast, but I believe they will. > > i still believe, that the current xfst approach is a clean solution. > it does no more use the libwinelib hack. > its a wine app which uses jack natively. > > i mailed it to several people who reported success IIRC. > > i mailed it to them because i dont have the time to open a > sourceforge-project etc. for it. > i thought that some of them would invest the time to make it available > publicly. > (paul, did you actually test it ? i know you dont have the time either, > and as long as we dont provide some linker wrapper its not COMPLETE. ) > > but hey: it does not use the "pull wine into an app not knowing wine" > approach. > > i dont have the time to (use my computer / write mail) very often. > > so someone should step forward and try to get xfst outthere soon. > with webpage, README etc. > > > > xfst is a wine (not win) app which loads vsts and binds them to jack > ports. > > i upload my current state to http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.3.tar.gz > please report success or failure in this thread. my response latency is > very high. > > i am very sorry that galan cant load vsts currently. > but hell it should load dssi plugs. > > > > Hi Torben, thanks for this great application. That what I've been looking for for the last month's. Today I tested xfst -r with the Sampletank 2 Free plugin that didn't work with any other solution and now it's running stable at 48 kHz and 64 frames buffer. There are just some x-runs when loading a new soundfont and following error message occurs: epoll_ctl: Operation not permitted But that's not important. It's more important that my Linux-Box can load vst-plugins now and that it is running stable. Thank you again. (My box: SuSE 9.2, wine 20050830, Kernel 2.6.11.7 with realtime-preempt-2.6.11-final-V0.7.40-04 and rt-lsm) Ciao Martin From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 17:48:01 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Oct 21 17:48:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Edirol FA-101 In-Reply-To: <1129924223.17709.15.camel@mindpipe> References: <4359413A.2010805@konstruktiv.org> <1129924223.17709.15.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510211448h73974d70x8cec1a39cc6f52e7@mail.gmail.com> On 10/21/05, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 23:27 +0400, Dmitry S. Baikov wrote: > > > Are you using a customized jackd? What version? What command line? Do > > > you have any evidence that anyone has ever made this work? > > > > > Opps, sorry for skipping obviously needed details. Was really upset. > > I tried freebob + jackd from freebob.sf.net. > > libavc from svn, libiec61883 1.0, libraw1394 1.2 > > cmdline: jackd -d iec61883 -o osc.udp://localhost:31000 > > > > FreeBoB wiki's list of working setups contains FA-101 + gentoo (my distro). > > When run in the first time, jackd starts, but there's no sound, and > > seems processing callbacks aren't called (no interrupts?). > > I think this would be a better question for the Freebob list, and cc: > the jackit-devel list, as you're using a version of JACK that the > Freebob people have customized. I've never heard anyone on LAD or LAU > report that this works. > > First and foremost, we need to get the iec61883 driver into JACK CVS, so > that Paul Davis and the other JACK experts can help you. > > Lee In case some folks don't know this stuff iec61883 is part of the 1394 stack. Why would it go into Jack CVS? My rudimentary understanding (from a good awful number of years working on 1394 OHCI Link and Phy chips - not software) is that iec61883 is an encapsulation process that places timing info and data packets into a larger chunk of data most commonly moved across, but not limited to, the 1394 bus. 61883 is a really basic way to get MPEG data broken apart and put back together so that you can move movies across 1394. NOTE: There are multiple parts, 6 or 7 now, to iec61883. I'm not sure which ones Linux-1394 is supporting. >From a cursory reading of the Freebob list I have not heard of any special versions of Jack required to run it, but I frankly haven't paid a huge amount of attention to it. Does anyone know? I do agree that this question belongs there. They seem to respond pretty quickly to questions like this. - Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Oct 21 19:54:07 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Oct 21 20:00:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Edirol FA-101 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510211448h73974d70x8cec1a39cc6f52e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <4359413A.2010805@konstruktiv.org> <1129924223.17709.15.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0510211448h73974d70x8cec1a39cc6f52e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129938848.4724.20.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 14:48 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > I think this would be a better question for the Freebob list, and cc: > > the jackit-devel list, as you're using a version of JACK that the > > Freebob people have customized. I've never heard anyone on LAD or LAU > > report that this works. > > > > First and foremost, we need to get the iec61883 driver into JACK CVS, so > > that Paul Davis and the other JACK experts can help you. > > > > Lee > > In case some folks don't know this stuff iec61883 is part of the 1394 > stack. Why would it go into Jack CVS? Sorry, I mean "the iec61883 backend". JACK used to call these "drivers" but as you can see it's confusing. JACK does not need to include the iec61883 stack but it does need to know how to talk to it, just like with ALSA, OSS, etc. Look at his command line: jackd -d iec61883 -o osc.udp://localhost:31000 If I run this I get: rlrevell@mindpipe:~/kernel-source/linux-2.6.13$ jackd -d iec61883 jackd: unknown driver 'iec61883' So he must be using a third party patch to jackd from the Freebob people that implements the 'iec61883' backend. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 20:29:10 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Oct 21 20:29:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Edirol FA-101 In-Reply-To: <1129938848.4724.20.camel@mindpipe> References: <4359413A.2010805@konstruktiv.org> <1129924223.17709.15.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0510211448h73974d70x8cec1a39cc6f52e7@mail.gmail.com> <1129938848.4724.20.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510211729g1b783c5am1eaf00da55973346@mail.gmail.com> On 10/21/05, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 14:48 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > I think this would be a better question for the Freebob list, and cc: > > > the jackit-devel list, as you're using a version of JACK that the > > > Freebob people have customized. I've never heard anyone on LAD or LAU > > > report that this works. > > > > > > First and foremost, we need to get the iec61883 driver into JACK CVS, so > > > that Paul Davis and the other JACK experts can help you. > > > > > > Lee > > > > In case some folks don't know this stuff iec61883 is part of the 1394 > > stack. Why would it go into Jack CVS? > > Sorry, I mean "the iec61883 backend". JACK used to call these "drivers" > but as you can see it's confusing. JACK does not need to include the > iec61883 stack but it does need to know how to talk to it, just like > with ALSA, OSS, etc. > > Look at his command line: > > jackd -d iec61883 -o osc.udp://localhost:31000 > > If I run this I get: > > rlrevell@mindpipe:~/kernel-source/linux-2.6.13$ jackd -d iec61883 > jackd: unknown driver 'iec61883' > > So he must be using a third party patch to jackd from the Freebob people > that implements the 'iec61883' backend. > > Lee I'm probably whacked. I just assumed that was the name available when the amdtp driver was modprobed. Most likely you are right and they have developed an iec61883 Alsa driver which they have Jack talking to. For kicks I've just built all the 61883 stuff for this kernel I'm working on. I'll modprobe it sometime after rebooting and convince myself that you are correct. Cheers, Mark From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Fri Oct 21 20:33:55 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Fri Oct 21 20:34:02 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <20051020212931.GA4707@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <4352C887.6040008@nyvalls.se> <1129517531.9059.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43533404.6020903@starband.net> <1129556867.9229.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20051020212931.GA4707@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> Message-ID: <435988F3.6050802@sympatico.ca> torbenh@gmx.de wrote: >On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 09:47:47AM -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > > >>I rebuilt xfst against wine 20050725 (the oficial ubuntu breezy) and >>tested with other VSTs (jack is set to a latency of 11.6 msecs): >> >>- Crystal vst zombifies and exits from jack but it doesn't lock. If I >>set Jack to a higher Timeout period (1000msecs) it loads and works fine! >> >> > >hi... i forgot to mention the -r option >Crystal WORKS. > >./xfst -r Crystal.dll > > >even with -p 128 which i generally use. > > > >>- DelayLama works perfect (it even shows the GUI animation properly) >>- Synful orchestra works fine. >>- GRMTools seem to be working fine without some of them crashing as in >>jack_fst. >> >>Great! xfst seems to be the solution for linux-vst. I can help to set it >>up and mantain a web site (would it be ok at sourceforge?) but I guess >>it would be good if we create a complete package including install >>script in the make file (I don't have experience doing this, but I can >>figure it out) and a README. Is someone else interested in helping >>Torben and making it available publicly? >> >> > >yes please. >and dont forget. you dont help ME. you help yourself ;) > > > Thanks! We help ourselves... that's the nice thing about open source. With the -r option Crystal works for me now. What is this option for? One plugin that I can't get working is the SRI_1010. It would be very nice to have this one unless you know of any other free convolution plugin. I tried with and without the -r option and I get: err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type of this midi device. Assuming FM Synth gui_thread_id = 10 could not post message to gui thread cannot create editor Have any of you tried to use this one? cheers! Hector. From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 22:23:28 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Oct 21 22:23:31 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Edirol FA-101 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510211729g1b783c5am1eaf00da55973346@mail.gmail.com> References: <4359413A.2010805@konstruktiv.org> <1129924223.17709.15.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0510211448h73974d70x8cec1a39cc6f52e7@mail.gmail.com> <1129938848.4724.20.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0510211729g1b783c5am1eaf00da55973346@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510211923r44ca0d8cu7378ddf8cc0e8f9c@mail.gmail.com> > > > > Look at his command line: > > > > jackd -d iec61883 -o osc.udp://localhost:31000 > > > > If I run this I get: > > > > rlrevell@mindpipe:~/kernel-source/linux-2.6.13$ jackd -d iec61883 > > jackd: unknown driver 'iec61883' > > > > So he must be using a third party patch to jackd from the Freebob people > > that implements the 'iec61883' backend. > > > > Lee > > I'm probably whacked. I just assumed that was the name available when > the amdtp driver was modprobed. Most likely you are right and they > have developed an iec61883 Alsa driver which they have Jack talking > to. > > For kicks I've just built all the 61883 stuff for this kernel I'm > working on. I'll modprobe it sometime after rebooting and convince > myself that you are correct. > > Cheers, > Mark > I downloaded but didn't yet build the Freebob package. They are distributing their driver with a version of Jack - I think 100.1. They have added their stuff under the jackd/drivers directory. I didn't want to build it as it would probably start over wirting my version of JAck. It looks like it would be good to get them integrated into the mail Jack distribution. I wonder if they have changed Jack to suit their needs. or is this just easier for them than trying to embed their freebob driver into the existing Jack direcories? Not sure it matters. It's just what they are doing. On a side note, I did a little bit of Wine testing with Jack. It seems that Wine will produce audio using Jack 0.99 but will doesn't work with 100.5. It seems to be getting a bt messy: Wine -> 0.99 Freebob -> 100.1 Ardour -> 100.5 (or something like that to get latency adjustments...) My system -> 100.5 Maybe it's time for some sort of consolidation? It would be great to get all of these things working on the same version. Cheers, Mark From joq at io.com Fri Oct 21 23:07:51 2005 From: joq at io.com (Jack O'Quin) Date: Fri Oct 21 23:01:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Edirol FA-101 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510211923r44ca0d8cu7378ddf8cc0e8f9c@mail.gmail.com> (Mark Knecht's message of "Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:23:28 -0700") References: <4359413A.2010805@konstruktiv.org> <1129924223.17709.15.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0510211448h73974d70x8cec1a39cc6f52e7@mail.gmail.com> <1129938848.4724.20.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0510211729g1b783c5am1eaf00da55973346@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0510211923r44ca0d8cu7378ddf8cc0e8f9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7qoe5ixn94.fsf@io.com> Mark Knecht writes: > I wonder if they have changed Jack to suit their needs. or is this > just easier for them than trying to embed their freebob driver into > the existing Jack direcories? Not sure it matters. It's just what they > are doing. The FreeBob developers currently use a prototype JACK backend. They plan to rewrite it, then integrate the cleaned up version into the main JACK distribution. Lee is correct to send the original requester to freebob-devel for answers and support with this backend. They can probably help him. -- joq From torbenh at gmx.de Sat Oct 22 01:55:49 2005 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Sat Oct 22 01:37:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: References: <1129207425.9360.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1129209939.12415.163.camel@dhin> <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> Message-ID: <20051022055549.GA4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 09:31:08PM +0200, Martin Wohlleben wrote: > Hi Torben, > > thanks for this great application. That what I've been looking for for the > last month's. > Today I tested xfst -r with the Sampletank 2 Free plugin that didn't work > with any other solution and now it's running stable at 48 kHz and 64 frames > buffer. > There are just some x-runs when loading a new soundfont and following error > message occurs: > > epoll_ctl: Operation not permitted hmm... this is coming out of the internals of wine. i would need more time to get into this. why dont you try brute fir ? > > But that's not important. It's more important that my Linux-Box can load > vst-plugins now and that it is running stable. Thank you again. this makes me happy. > > (My box: SuSE 9.2, wine 20050830, Kernel 2.6.11.7 with > realtime-preempt-2.6.11-final-V0.7.40-04 and rt-lsm) > > Ciao > Martin > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From torbenh at gmx.de Sat Oct 22 01:57:41 2005 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Sat Oct 22 01:39:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <435988F3.6050802@sympatico.ca> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <4352C887.6040008@nyvalls.se> <1129517531.9059.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43533404.6020903@starband.net> <1129556867.9229.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20051020212931.GA4707@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <435988F3.6050802@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 08:33:55PM -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > Thanks! We help ourselves... that's the nice thing about open source. > With the -r option Crystal works for me now. What is this option for? > One plugin that I can't get working is the SRI_1010. It would be very > nice to have this one unless you know of any other free convolution > plugin. I tried with and without the -r option and I get: > > err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type of this > midi device. Assuming FM Synth > gui_thread_id = 10 > could not post message to gui thread > cannot create editor hmmm... this looks like the plugin is trying to open a midi port by itself. try to configure wine so that it does not see any alsa midiport. > > Have any of you tried to use this one? > > cheers! > > > Hector. > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From fbar at footils.org Sat Oct 22 04:09:27 2005 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Oct 22 04:14:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] USB soundcard to replace minidisc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051022080927.GI20511@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Alex Polite hat gesagt: // Alex Polite wrote: > I make interviews on minidisc and air them on FM. I'm looking to > replace the minidisc either with an Edirol R-1 or a usb soundcard that > I can jack into my ultraportable. > > If I go for the soundcard option I'd like to find something with more > then one mic input. I use ordinary el chepo electret mics, no fancy > XLR phantom powered stuff. > > What are my options for usb soundcards, if I wan't something that > works under linux (without patching and hacking)? Most USB1 soundcards also work with Linux using the standard drivers. Some care has to be taken with M-Audio cards, many of these are not well supported. But if you go with Edirol or Terratec or so, not much can go wrong (except trying to use the OSS driver at the same time as the ALSA driver because usbaudio isn't blacklisted in /etc/hotplug/blacklist). No one here can do the market reseach for you, so I'd recommend you look through some online shops and find devices, whose feature set matches what you want to have, then come back and ask if someone can comment on these devices. A good place to share experiences is the USB devices list at www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ Do a "Quick search" for "audio". Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From ce at christeck.de Sat Oct 22 04:30:53 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Oct 22 04:24:56 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: sysex requests for evolution/midiman/m-audio anyone? Message-ID: <200510221030.53280.ce@christeck.de> Hi, I just tested the Trigger Finger (link below) by m-audio at the local dealer's shop, and it worked immediately when I plugged it in thanks to the snd_usb_audio module. Thanks to all devels! The only thing I miss is the possibility to make backups. m-audio has a tool called Enigma (available for Mac OS and Windows) to make backups of the settings (and even programming the device). The device itself has no option to make it send a sysex dump of its memory contents to the computer. I asked m-audio for the request string to do a backup, but I was told that this is only possible using the Enigma software and the special usb-audio-driver by m-audio. I doubt that. Can anyone provide request strings for any evolution/midiman/m-audio products (UC33, m-audio keyboards)? If so, I could likely derive the requests for the Trigger Finger from it. Even Enigma (nomen est omen?) can handle a large scale of m-audio devices, and I guess that all devices work in a similar manner internally. Any hint, even to a PDF doc or similar which contains sysex documentation for any similar device would be helpful. Thanks in advance, ce Product Link: http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_maudio_trigger_finger_midi_drumcontroller_prodinfo.html From roberts.noah at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 15:40:06 2005 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Sat Oct 22 15:40:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol FA-101 In-Reply-To: <4358C2AD.7040307@eagle.ru> References: <4358C2AD.7040307@eagle.ru> Message-ID: <567aa5f60510221240s6f4be763j1b9b4c070844274a@mail.gmail.com> Please keep the list informed on this one. This is one of the soundcards I am looking at. Sometimes soon I plan to make a purchase of a decent usb or firewire sound system for my laptop and I would like to buy something sure to work and not be too much of a PITA. On 10/21/05, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > Hello! > Recently got FA-101. > But can't get it to work. Jackd log is below. > Thank you in advance. > > Regards, > Dmitry. > > ---- > JACK compiled with System V SHM support. > loading driver .. > IEC61883: Using FreeBobCtl lib version 0.0.1 (Build Oct 20 2005 - 01:33:14) > Reading from OSC URL: osc.udp://localhost:31000 > requesting channel info from osc.udp://localhost:31000 > adding generic handler... > adding /reponse handler... > parsing address... > sending request... waiting for response... ok > freeing... > done... > ConnectionInfo contains 1 connection_specs > IEC61883: Adding 1 capture connection(s)... > IEC61883: capture connection 0: 0 streams, dim 0 from (0,11,11) > IEC61883: adding stream 0: (1,1) 0x06 0x02 -> 0 (MicIn1 l) > IEC61883: adding stream 1: (6,2) 0x06 0x02 -> 0 (MicIn1 right) > IEC61883: adding stream 2: (2,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineIn 3&4 l) > IEC61883: adding stream 3: (7,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineIn 3&4 right) > IEC61883: adding stream 4: (3,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineIn 5&6 l) > IEC61883: adding stream 5: (8,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineIn 5&6 right) > IEC61883: adding stream 6: (4,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineIn 7&8 l) > IEC61883: adding stream 7: (9,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineIn 7&8 right) > IEC61883: adding stream 8: (0,1) 0x06 0x04 -> 0 (SpdifIn left) > IEC61883: adding stream 9: (5,2) 0x06 0x04 -> 0 (SpdifIn righ) > IEC61883: adding stream 10: (10,1) 0x0D 0x0A -> 0 (MidiPort) > requesting channel info from osc.udp://localhost:31000 > adding generic handler... > adding /reponse handler... > parsing address... > sending request... waiting for response... ok > freeing... > done... > ConnectionInfo contains 1 connection_specs > IEC61883: Adding 1 playback connection(s)... > IEC61883: playback connection 0: 0 streams, dim 0 to (0,11,11) > IEC61883: adding stream 0: (1,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 1&2 left) > IEC61883: adding stream 1: (6,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 1&2 righ) > IEC61883: adding stream 2: (2,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 3&4 left) > IEC61883: adding stream 3: (7,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 3&4 righ) > IEC61883: adding stream 4: (3,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 5&6 left) > IEC61883: adding stream 5: (8,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 5&6 righ) > IEC61883: adding stream 6: (4,1) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 7&8 left) > IEC61883: adding stream 7: (9,2) 0x06 0x03 -> 0 (LineOut 7&8 righ) > IEC61883: adding stream 8: (0,1) 0x06 0x04 -> 0 (SpdifOut lef) > IEC61883: adding stream 9: (5,2) 0x06 0x04 -> 0 (SpdifOut rig) > IEC61883: adding stream 10: (10,1) 0x0D 0x0A -> 0 (MidiPort) > IEC61883D: Creating driver (period_size=256, ringbuffer_size=8192) > Creating IEC61883 client... 256/8192/48000 > poll timeout = 5 ms > Creating 11 buffers of 8192 quadlets... > IEC61883C: Creating playback connection from node 65472, plug 0 > prebuffers=0, buffers=300, irq_interval=100 > Creating 11 buffers of 8192 quadlets... > IEC61883 Client created... > Initializing OSC debug & statistics server... port 31001 OK > Starting OSC debug & statistics server... OK > IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_MicIn1 l > IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_MicIn1 right > IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_LineIn 3&4 l > IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_LineIn 3&4 right > IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_LineIn 5&6 l > IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_LineIn 5&6 right > IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_LineIn 7&8 l > IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_LineIn 7&8 right > IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_SpdifIn left > IEC61883CM: registered jack port cap_0_0_0_SpdifIn righ > IEC61883CM: registered midi port MidiIn_0_0_0_MidiPort_1 as 128:0 > IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 1&2 left > IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 1&2 righ > IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 3&4 left > IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 3&4 righ > IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 5&6 left > IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 5&6 righ > IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 7&8 left > IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_LineOut 7&8 righ > IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_SpdifOut lef > IEC61883CM: registered jack port pbk_0_0_0_SpdifOut rig > IEC61883CM: registered midi port MidiOut_0_0_0_MidiPort_1 as 128:1 > Client start... > creating capture connections... > libiec61883 warning: iec61883_cmp_create_p2p_output: Failed to set the > oPCR[0] plug f > or node 0. > Init ISO master receive handler on channel -1... > (BUFFER=300,PACKET_MAX=2048 > ,IRQ=100)... > Start ISO master receive... > IEC61883C: couldn't start receiving: Invalid argument > > DRIVER NT: could not start driver > cannot start driver > > From roberteric at neuf.fr Sat Oct 22 15:43:12 2005 From: roberteric at neuf.fr (Eric Robert) Date: Sat Oct 22 15:42:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audacity and jack again ;-) Message-ID: <435A9650.1000300@neuf.fr> Hello all, i had succes in the past building audacity for use with jack enabling portaudio-v19 (the trick was to replace the portaudio-v19 directory with the newest v19 snapshot from portaudio.com) I switched to mandrake 10.2 (previous version was 10.0) I've been able to compile the beast by hand and use audacity with jack(i.e .configure ... make make install) using the trick above. BUT i can't build the rpm (as i was able before with mandrake 10.0): rpm -ba audacity.spec configure: warning: CFLAGS=-O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -march=i586 -mtune=pentiumpro : invalid host type configure: warning: CXXFLAGS=-O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -march=i586 -mtune=pentiumpro : invalid host type configure: error: can only configure for one host and one target at a time configure: error: /bin/sh './configure' failed for lib-src/portaudio-v19 It remembers me some messages, before i found the solution(with some help from the list) How comes i can by hand and NOT by rebuilding the rpm using the SAME source? Looks like the flags get messed by the rpm system somewhere Any hints? Thanks Eric From ce at christeck.de Sat Oct 22 16:36:34 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Oct 22 16:30:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol FA-101 In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60510221240s6f4be763j1b9b4c070844274a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4358C2AD.7040307@eagle.ru> <567aa5f60510221240s6f4be763j1b9b4c070844274a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200510222236.34360.ce@christeck.de> > Please keep the list informed on this one. ?This is one of the > soundcards I am looking at. ?Sometimes soon I plan to make a purchase > of a decent usb or firewire sound system for my laptop and I would > like to buy something sure to work and not be too much of a PITA. Seconded. My notebook only supports USB 1.1 so I'd be interested if a multi IO firewire device works. Best regards ce From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 17:20:20 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Oct 22 17:20:23 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol FA-101 In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60510221240s6f4be763j1b9b4c070844274a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4358C2AD.7040307@eagle.ru> <567aa5f60510221240s6f4be763j1b9b4c070844274a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510221420y2cff7e6fge1f4ffee3ffe1597@mail.gmail.com> On 10/22/05, Noah Roberts wrote: > Please keep the list informed on this one. This is one of the > soundcards I am looking at. Sometimes soon I plan to make a purchase > of a decent usb or firewire sound system for my laptop and I would > like to buy something sure to work and not be too much of a PITA. > As am I. I am especially interested in understanding what the FA-101 can be sync'ed to. Id like to use it on my Mac sometimes, but when it comes over to Linux I need it to sync to my HDSP's clock, either through spdif or word clock. Thanks, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 18:02:53 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Oct 22 18:02:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <4352C887.6040008@nyvalls.se> <1129517531.9059.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43533404.6020903@starband.net> <1129556867.9229.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20051020212931.GA4707@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <435988F3.6050802@sympatico.ca> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> On 10/21/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 08:33:55PM -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > > Thanks! We help ourselves... that's the nice thing about open source. > > With the -r option Crystal works for me now. What is this option for? > > One plugin that I can't get working is the SRI_1010. It would be very > > nice to have this one unless you know of any other free convolution > > plugin. I tried with and without the -r option and I get: > > > > err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type of this > > midi device. Assuming FM Synth > > gui_thread_id = 10 > > could not post message to gui thread > > cannot create editor > > hmmm... this looks like the plugin is trying to open a midi port by > itself. try to configure wine so that it does not see any alsa midiport. > > > > > > Have any of you tried to use this one? > > > > cheers! > > > > > > Hector. > > > > -- > torben Hohn > http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language > Hi all, I just got a few minutes to try xfst on my AMD64 machine. Did anyone else run into this: mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ make winebuild -o xfst.exe.dbg.c --debug -C. audiomaster.c fst.c fstinfofile.c gtk.c jfst.c vsti.c vstwin.c winebuild: unrecognized option `--debug' Usage: winebuild [OPTIONS] [FILES] make: *** [xfst.exe.dbg.c] Error 1 mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ I hope I'm doing this correctly. I put the Steinberg headers in the vst directory and then ran make. That seems to be what the README file suggests. There is also a file called readme.jack-fst which seems ot be leftover from the older Jack_fst. Is that correct? Make does seem to want to run winebuild, and winebuild on my system doesn't support an option called debug. mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ wine --version Wine 20050930 mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ Did I miss some conversation about this? Thanks, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 19:55:52 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Oct 22 19:55:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> On 10/22/05, Martin Wohlleben wrote: > Am Sonntag, 23. Oktober 2005 00:02 schrieb Mark Knecht: > > On 10/21/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 08:33:55PM -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > > > > Thanks! We help ourselves... that's the nice thing about open source. > > > > With the -r option Crystal works for me now. What is this option for? > > > > One plugin that I can't get working is the SRI_1010. It would be very > > > > nice to have this one unless you know of any other free convolution > > > > plugin. I tried with and without the -r option and I get: > > > > > > > > err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type of this > > > > midi device. Assuming FM Synth > > > > gui_thread_id = 10 > > > > could not post message to gui thread > > > > cannot create editor > > > > > > hmmm... this looks like the plugin is trying to open a midi port by > > > itself. try to configure wine so that it does not see any alsa midiport. > > > > > > > Have any of you tried to use this one? > > > > > > > > cheers! > > > > > > > > > > > > Hector. > > > > > > -- > > > torben Hohn > > > http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language > > > > Hi all, > > I just got a few minutes to try xfst on my AMD64 machine. Did > > anyone else run into this: > > > > mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ make > > winebuild -o xfst.exe.dbg.c --debug -C. audiomaster.c fst.c > > fstinfofile.c gtk.c jfst.c vsti.c vstwin.c > > winebuild: unrecognized option `--debug' > > Usage: winebuild [OPTIONS] [FILES] > > > > > > > > make: *** [xfst.exe.dbg.c] Error 1 > > mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ > > > > I hope I'm doing this correctly. I put the Steinberg headers in the > > vst directory and then ran make. That seems to be what the README file > > suggests. There is also a file called readme.jack-fst which seems ot > > be leftover from the older Jack_fst. Is that correct? > > > > Make does seem to want to run winebuild, and winebuild on my system > > doesn't support an option called debug. > > > > mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ wine --version > > Wine 20050930 > > mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ > > > > Did I miss some conversation about this? > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > Hi Marc, > > I got the same failure with wine20050930. I downgraded wine to wine20050830 > and xfst-0.3 compiled cleanly. > You also have to change the vst header as for jack_fst. Otherwise you get some > error messages and make will "fail". I don't know exactly what I changed > exactly, but you can find the headers which I used attached to this e-mail. > I still got a failure message, during compilation but xfst works. > > good luck, > Martin > Thanks for the confirmation Martin. Backing down on Wine is not an option. I'll wait and hope Torben will update the files to fix it. Cheers, Mark From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Sat Oct 22 16:24:32 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sat Oct 22 21:21:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] deb repository, ghostess Message-ID: <200510222224.34215.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Hi, I included ghostess into musix's trivial repository: It works fine here, I like its capability to edit whysynth's patches (of course, it can edit another DSSI instruments too). # /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://www.musix.distrux.net/deb/ ./ apt-get install ghostess-20050916 Hey, it's an experimental repository, so, dont expect too much about it ;) Screenshot: http://www.musix.org.ar/img/tn-ghostess-dssi-musix030.png A few related links: http://home.jps.net/%7Emusound/index.html https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php/Ghostest#Compilando_ghostess https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php/Musix030-test-anuncio1 pd: also Chris Cannam tell us how does DSSI GUIs works: > Another reason this sometimes happens is that the local host name or > localhost is not in /etc/hosts (or resolvable via DNS in the case of > the host name). The OSC communications library we use (liblo) seems to > depend on this. > > > Chris > -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) fecha: s?b oct 22 22:05:05 CEST 2005 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ghostess.sh Type: application/x-shellscript Size: 1607 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051022/22eefe24/ghostess-0001.bin From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Oct 22 22:06:27 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Oct 22 21:56:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> Mark Knecht wrote: >On 10/22/05, Martin Wohlleben wrote: > > >>Am Sonntag, 23. Oktober 2005 00:02 schrieb Mark Knecht: >> >> >>>On 10/21/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 08:33:55PM -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Thanks! We help ourselves... that's the nice thing about open source. >>>>>With the -r option Crystal works for me now. What is this option for? >>>>>One plugin that I can't get working is the SRI_1010. It would be very >>>>>nice to have this one unless you know of any other free convolution >>>>>plugin. I tried with and without the -r option and I get: >>>>> >>>>>err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type of this >>>>>midi device. Assuming FM Synth >>>>>gui_thread_id = 10 >>>>>could not post message to gui thread >>>>>cannot create editor >>>>> >>>>> >>>>hmmm... this looks like the plugin is trying to open a midi port by >>>>itself. try to configure wine so that it does not see any alsa midiport. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Have any of you tried to use this one? >>>>> >>>>>cheers! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Hector. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>>torben Hohn >>>>http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language >>>> >>>> >>>Hi all, >>> I just got a few minutes to try xfst on my AMD64 machine. Did >>>anyone else run into this: >>> >>>mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ make >>>winebuild -o xfst.exe.dbg.c --debug -C. audiomaster.c fst.c >>>fstinfofile.c gtk.c jfst.c vsti.c vstwin.c >>>winebuild: unrecognized option `--debug' >>>Usage: winebuild [OPTIONS] [FILES] >>> >>> >>> >>>make: *** [xfst.exe.dbg.c] Error 1 >>>mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ >>> >>>I hope I'm doing this correctly. I put the Steinberg headers in the >>>vst directory and then ran make. That seems to be what the README file >>>suggests. There is also a file called readme.jack-fst which seems ot >>>be leftover from the older Jack_fst. Is that correct? >>> >>>Make does seem to want to run winebuild, and winebuild on my system >>>doesn't support an option called debug. >>> >>>mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ wine --version >>>Wine 20050930 >>>mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ >>> >>> Did I miss some conversation about this? >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Mark >>> >>> >>Hi Marc, >> >>I got the same failure with wine20050930. I downgraded wine to wine20050830 >>and xfst-0.3 compiled cleanly. >>You also have to change the vst header as for jack_fst. Otherwise you get some >>error messages and make will "fail". I don't know exactly what I changed >>exactly, but you can find the headers which I used attached to this e-mail. >>I still got a failure message, during compilation but xfst works. >> >>good luck, >>Martin >> >> >> > >Thanks for the confirmation Martin. Backing down on Wine is not an >option. I'll wait and hope Torben will update the files to fix it. > >Cheers, >Mark > > > > Hi guys: Yes, I'm having the same problem with winebuild. The trouble is that the syntax for winebuild's options has changed from what Torben has in the Makefile. Unfortunately I haven't yet figured out the new magic incantation, but I did spend an hour or so on it this afternoon. Got no joy, same as you. :( Best, dp From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 22:57:25 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Oct 22 22:57:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> On 10/22/05, Dave Phillips wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > >On 10/22/05, Martin Wohlleben wrote: > > > > > >>Am Sonntag, 23. Oktober 2005 00:02 schrieb Mark Knecht: > >> > >> > >>>On 10/21/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 08:33:55PM -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Thanks! We help ourselves... that's the nice thing about open source. > >>>>>With the -r option Crystal works for me now. What is this option for? > >>>>>One plugin that I can't get working is the SRI_1010. It would be very > >>>>>nice to have this one unless you know of any other free convolution > >>>>>plugin. I tried with and without the -r option and I get: > >>>>> > >>>>>err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type of this > >>>>>midi device. Assuming FM Synth > >>>>>gui_thread_id = 10 > >>>>>could not post message to gui thread > >>>>>cannot create editor > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>hmmm... this looks like the plugin is trying to open a midi port by > >>>>itself. try to configure wine so that it does not see any alsa midiport. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Have any of you tried to use this one? > >>>>> > >>>>>cheers! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Hector. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>torben Hohn > >>>>http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Hi all, > >>> I just got a few minutes to try xfst on my AMD64 machine. Did > >>>anyone else run into this: > >>> > >>>mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ make > >>>winebuild -o xfst.exe.dbg.c --debug -C. audiomaster.c fst.c > >>>fstinfofile.c gtk.c jfst.c vsti.c vstwin.c > >>>winebuild: unrecognized option `--debug' > >>>Usage: winebuild [OPTIONS] [FILES] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>make: *** [xfst.exe.dbg.c] Error 1 > >>>mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ > >>> > >>>I hope I'm doing this correctly. I put the Steinberg headers in the > >>>vst directory and then ran make. That seems to be what the README file > >>>suggests. There is also a file called readme.jack-fst which seems ot > >>>be leftover from the older Jack_fst. Is that correct? > >>> > >>>Make does seem to want to run winebuild, and winebuild on my system > >>>doesn't support an option called debug. > >>> > >>>mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ wine --version > >>>Wine 20050930 > >>>mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ > >>> > >>> Did I miss some conversation about this? > >>> > >>>Thanks, > >>>Mark > >>> > >>> > >>Hi Marc, > >> > >>I got the same failure with wine20050930. I downgraded wine to wine20050830 > >>and xfst-0.3 compiled cleanly. > >>You also have to change the vst header as for jack_fst. Otherwise you get some > >>error messages and make will "fail". I don't know exactly what I changed > >>exactly, but you can find the headers which I used attached to this e-mail. > >>I still got a failure message, during compilation but xfst works. > >> > >>good luck, > >>Martin > >> > >> > >> > > > >Thanks for the confirmation Martin. Backing down on Wine is not an > >option. I'll wait and hope Torben will update the files to fix it. > > > >Cheers, > >Mark > > > > > > > > > Hi guys: > > Yes, I'm having the same problem with winebuild. The trouble is that > the syntax for winebuild's options has changed from what Torben has in > the Makefile. Unfortunately I haven't yet figured out the new magic > incantation, but I did spend an hour or so on it this afternoon. Got no > joy, same as you. :( > > Best, > > dp Dave, I'm only here for a few minutes this evening. In the make file there seems to be more or less a a single invocation of winebuild that has 'debug' in it. Can we just remove it? Since the option isn't supported, and wasn't in the man page, I don't know what Torben intended in it's use. Anyway, part of this exercise, in my mind, is finding a solution that works AND is maintainable out into the future. I suspect that when we get past this we will see it as our first, small maintainance patch. What's important is that we don't go backward with old Wine, but always forward with new Wine. Cheers, Mark From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Oct 23 07:32:57 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Oct 23 07:23:03 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> Mark Knecht wrote: >On 10/22/05, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >>Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> >> >>>On 10/22/05, Martin Wohlleben wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Am Sonntag, 23. Oktober 2005 00:02 schrieb Mark Knecht: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On 10/21/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 08:33:55PM -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks! We help ourselves... that's the nice thing about open source. >>>>>>>With the -r option Crystal works for me now. What is this option for? >>>>>>>One plugin that I can't get working is the SRI_1010. It would be very >>>>>>>nice to have this one unless you know of any other free convolution >>>>>>>plugin. I tried with and without the -r option and I get: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type of this >>>>>>>midi device. Assuming FM Synth >>>>>>>gui_thread_id = 10 >>>>>>>could not post message to gui thread >>>>>>>cannot create editor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>hmmm... this looks like the plugin is trying to open a midi port by >>>>>>itself. try to configure wine so that it does not see any alsa midiport. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Have any of you tried to use this one? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>cheers! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hector. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>torben Hohn >>>>>>http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Hi all, >>>>> I just got a few minutes to try xfst on my AMD64 machine. Did >>>>>anyone else run into this: >>>>> >>>>>mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ make >>>>>winebuild -o xfst.exe.dbg.c --debug -C. audiomaster.c fst.c >>>>>fstinfofile.c gtk.c jfst.c vsti.c vstwin.c >>>>>winebuild: unrecognized option `--debug' >>>>>Usage: winebuild [OPTIONS] [FILES] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>make: *** [xfst.exe.dbg.c] Error 1 >>>>>mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ >>>>> >>>>>I hope I'm doing this correctly. I put the Steinberg headers in the >>>>>vst directory and then ran make. That seems to be what the README file >>>>>suggests. There is also a file called readme.jack-fst which seems ot >>>>>be leftover from the older Jack_fst. Is that correct? >>>>> >>>>>Make does seem to want to run winebuild, and winebuild on my system >>>>>doesn't support an option called debug. >>>>> >>>>>mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ wine --version >>>>>Wine 20050930 >>>>>mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ >>>>> >>>>> Did I miss some conversation about this? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Hi Marc, >>>> >>>>I got the same failure with wine20050930. I downgraded wine to wine20050830 >>>>and xfst-0.3 compiled cleanly. >>>>You also have to change the vst header as for jack_fst. Otherwise you get some >>>>error messages and make will "fail". I don't know exactly what I changed >>>>exactly, but you can find the headers which I used attached to this e-mail. >>>>I still got a failure message, during compilation but xfst works. >>>> >>>>good luck, >>>>Martin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Thanks for the confirmation Martin. Backing down on Wine is not an >>>option. I'll wait and hope Torben will update the files to fix it. >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Hi guys: >> >> Yes, I'm having the same problem with winebuild. The trouble is that >>the syntax for winebuild's options has changed from what Torben has in >>the Makefile. Unfortunately I haven't yet figured out the new magic >>incantation, but I did spend an hour or so on it this afternoon. Got no >>joy, same as you. :( >> >>Best, >> >>dp >> >> > >Dave, > I'm only here for a few minutes this evening. In the make file >there seems to be more or less a a single invocation of winebuild that >has 'debug' in it. Can we just remove it? > > Since the option isn't supported, and wasn't in the man page, I >don't know what Torben intended in it's use. > > Anyway, part of this exercise, in my mind, is finding a solution >that works AND is maintainable out into the future. I suspect that >when we get past this we will see it as our first, small maintainance >patch. What's important is that we don't go backward with old Wine, >but always forward with new Wine. > >Cheers, >Mark > > Hi Mark: Unfortunately merely removing the --debug option doesn't resolve the options problem. Winebuild now uses "modes" to define its actions, and those modes are further defined by a set of options pertaining to that mode. The problem now is that I can't figure out the right combination of mode + option(s). The --dll mode requires a .spec or .def file that's not present in the xfst package. The --exe mode requires no spec file, but either it's not working as advertised or I'm still missing something about it. One of those modes is supposed to be used when winebuild creates a .c file. Btw, this is wine-20050930, I think you're on the same version, yes ? We should also be sure to test DSSI. As far as I can tell, the vstserver project is dead, and the fst project is on a back-burner, so perhaps we should concentrate on xfst and dss-vst with the latest WINE releases ? Also, I'm in the process of rewriting the VST+Linux tutorial, I'm displacing the vstserver and fst material and putting up front new material regarding my experience with xfst and DSSI. It should be completed tomorrow (I'm not at my Demudi machine). Best, dp From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 09:57:06 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 23 09:57:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510230657t3e089285q8604b6547161fa5f@mail.gmail.com> On 10/23/05, Dave Phillips wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > >> > > > >Dave, > > I'm only here for a few minutes this evening. In the make file > >there seems to be more or less a a single invocation of winebuild that > >has 'debug' in it. Can we just remove it? > > > > Since the option isn't supported, and wasn't in the man page, I > >don't know what Torben intended in it's use. > > > > Anyway, part of this exercise, in my mind, is finding a solution > >that works AND is maintainable out into the future. I suspect that > >when we get past this we will see it as our first, small maintainance > >patch. What's important is that we don't go backward with old Wine, > >but always forward with new Wine. > > > >Cheers, > >Mark > > > > > Hi Mark: > > Unfortunately merely removing the --debug option doesn't resolve the > options problem. Winebuild now uses "modes" to define its actions, and > those modes are further defined by a set of options pertaining to that > mode. The problem now is that I can't figure out the right combination > of mode + option(s). The --dll mode requires a .spec or .def file that's > not present in the xfst package. The --exe mode requires no spec file, > but either it's not working as advertised or I'm still missing something > about it. One of those modes is supposed to be used when winebuild > creates a .c file. I wonder if I might find some help on one of theWine lists. I'll try there and let you know if I discover anything. > > Btw, this is wine-20050930, I think you're on the same version, yes ? Yes. > We should also be sure to test DSSI. What's DSSI? Answering self: http://dssi.sourceforge.net/ >From a quick read, how does DSSI allow me to run commercial VST's? Not clear. Seems like something homegrown that competes. > As far as I can tell, the vstserver > project is dead, and the fst project is on a back-burner, so perhaps we > should concentrate on xfst and dss-vst with the latest WINE releases ? xfst & latest Wine - definitely yes. What's dss-vst? Google didn't tell me anything. > > Also, I'm in the process of rewriting the VST+Linux tutorial, I'm > displacing the vstserver and fst material and putting up front new > material regarding my experience with xfst and DSSI. It should be > completed tomorrow (I'm not at my Demudi machine). Seems possibly a bit premature based on these results but I probably don't have a good view. Clearly the jack_fst stuff that's been there for the last year or more is probably no longer helpful to many. It seems like xfst and at least last months Wine is probably a better solution, but has it been tested with enough VST's to think it works well? Performance? xruns? All the messy stuff of real life? ;-) I certainly agree that any writing you do will be helpful. Cheers, Mark From renueden at earthlink.net Sun Oct 23 11:18:01 2005 From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken) Date: Sun Oct 23 11:18:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <435BA9A9.5060606@earthlink.net> Dave Phillips wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > >> On 10/22/05, Dave Phillips wrote: >> >> >>> Mark Knecht wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 10/22/05, Martin Wohlleben wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Am Sonntag, 23. Oktober 2005 00:02 schrieb Mark Knecht: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 10/21/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 08:33:55PM -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks! We help ourselves... that's the nice thing about open >>>>>>>> source. >>>>>>>> With the -r option Crystal works for me now. What is this >>>>>>>> option for? >>>>>>>> One plugin that I can't get working is the SRI_1010. It would >>>>>>>> be very >>>>>>>> nice to have this one unless you know of any other free >>>>>>>> convolution >>>>>>>> plugin. I tried with and without the -r option and I get: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type >>>>>>>> of this >>>>>>>> midi device. Assuming FM Synth >>>>>>>> gui_thread_id = 10 >>>>>>>> could not post message to gui thread >>>>>>>> cannot create editor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> hmmm... this looks like the plugin is trying to open a midi port by >>>>>>> itself. try to configure wine so that it does not see any alsa >>>>>>> midiport. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Have any of you tried to use this one? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> cheers! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hector. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> torben Hohn >>>>>>> http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> I just got a few minutes to try xfst on my AMD64 machine. Did >>>>>> anyone else run into this: >>>>>> >>>>>> mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ make >>>>>> winebuild -o xfst.exe.dbg.c --debug -C. audiomaster.c fst.c >>>>>> fstinfofile.c gtk.c jfst.c vsti.c vstwin.c >>>>>> winebuild: unrecognized option `--debug' >>>>>> Usage: winebuild [OPTIONS] [FILES] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> make: *** [xfst.exe.dbg.c] Error 1 >>>>>> mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope I'm doing this correctly. I put the Steinberg headers in the >>>>>> vst directory and then ran make. That seems to be what the README >>>>>> file >>>>>> suggests. There is also a file called readme.jack-fst which seems ot >>>>>> be leftover from the older Jack_fst. Is that correct? >>>>>> >>>>>> Make does seem to want to run winebuild, and winebuild on my system >>>>>> doesn't support an option called debug. >>>>>> >>>>>> mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ wine --version >>>>>> Wine 20050930 >>>>>> mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.3 $ >>>>>> >>>>>> Did I miss some conversation about this? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Marc, >>>>> >>>>> I got the same failure with wine20050930. I downgraded wine to >>>>> wine20050830 >>>>> and xfst-0.3 compiled cleanly. >>>>> You also have to change the vst header as for jack_fst. Otherwise >>>>> you get some >>>>> error messages and make will "fail". I don't know exactly what I >>>>> changed >>>>> exactly, but you can find the headers which I used attached to >>>>> this e-mail. >>>>> I still got a failure message, during compilation but xfst works. >>>>> >>>>> good luck, >>>>> Martin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for the confirmation Martin. Backing down on Wine is not an >>>> option. I'll wait and hope Torben will update the files to fix it. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Hi guys: >>> >>> Yes, I'm having the same problem with winebuild. The trouble is that >>> the syntax for winebuild's options has changed from what Torben has in >>> the Makefile. Unfortunately I haven't yet figured out the new magic >>> incantation, but I did spend an hour or so on it this afternoon. Got no >>> joy, same as you. :( >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> dp >>> >> >> >> Dave, >> I'm only here for a few minutes this evening. In the make file >> there seems to be more or less a a single invocation of winebuild that >> has 'debug' in it. Can we just remove it? >> >> Since the option isn't supported, and wasn't in the man page, I >> don't know what Torben intended in it's use. >> >> Anyway, part of this exercise, in my mind, is finding a solution >> that works AND is maintainable out into the future. I suspect that >> when we get past this we will see it as our first, small maintainance >> patch. What's important is that we don't go backward with old Wine, >> but always forward with new Wine. >> >> Cheers, >> Mark >> >> > Hi Mark: > > Unfortunately merely removing the --debug option doesn't resolve the > options problem. Winebuild now uses "modes" to define its actions, and > those modes are further defined by a set of options pertaining to that > mode. The problem now is that I can't figure out the right combination > of mode + option(s). The --dll mode requires a .spec or .def file > that's not present in the xfst package. The --exe mode requires no > spec file, but either it's not working as advertised or I'm still > missing something about it. One of those modes is supposed to be used > when winebuild creates a .c file. > > Btw, this is wine-20050930, I think you're on the same version, yes ? > We should also be sure to test DSSI. As far as I can tell, the > vstserver project is dead, and the fst project is on a back-burner, so > perhaps we should concentrate on xfst and dss-vst with the latest WINE > releases ? > > Also, I'm in the process of rewriting the VST+Linux tutorial, I'm > displacing the vstserver and fst material and putting up front new > material regarding my experience with xfst and DSSI. It should be > completed tomorrow (I'm not at my Demudi machine). > > Best, > > dp > seems a little emvarrissing that all the talented linux programmers are concentrating their efforts on running M$ based plugins. should be a slew of dssi's by now, or maybe a reaktor killer... From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sun Oct 23 03:40:19 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun Oct 23 11:41:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510230657t3e089285q8604b6547161fa5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510230657t3e089285q8604b6547161fa5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200510230740.19426.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 23 October 2005 13:57, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/23/05, Dave Phillips wrote: > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > >Dave, > > > I'm only here for a few minutes this evening. In the make file > > >there seems to be more or less a a single invocation of winebuild that > > >has 'debug' in it. Can we just remove it? > > > > > > Since the option isn't supported, and wasn't in the man page, I > > >don't know what Torben intended in it's use. > > > > > > Anyway, part of this exercise, in my mind, is finding a solution > > >that works AND is maintainable out into the future. I suspect that > > >when we get past this we will see it as our first, small maintainance > > >patch. What's important is that we don't go backward with old Wine, > > >but always forward with new Wine. > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Mark > > > > Hi Mark: > > > > Unfortunately merely removing the --debug option doesn't resolve the > > options problem. Winebuild now uses "modes" to define its actions, and > > those modes are further defined by a set of options pertaining to that > > mode. The problem now is that I can't figure out the right combination > > of mode + option(s). The --dll mode requires a .spec or .def file that's > > not present in the xfst package. The --exe mode requires no spec file, > > but either it's not working as advertised or I'm still missing something > > about it. One of those modes is supposed to be used when winebuild > > creates a .c file. > > I wonder if I might find some help on one of theWine lists. I'll try > there and let you know if I discover anything. > > > Btw, this is wine-20050930, I think you're on the same version, yes ? > > Yes. > > > We should also be sure to test DSSI. > > What's DSSI? Answering self: > > http://dssi.sourceforge.net/ > > >From a quick read, how does DSSI allow me to run commercial VST's? Not > > clear. Seems like something homegrown that competes. > > > As far as I can tell, the vstserver > > project is dead, and the fst project is on a back-burner, so perhaps we > > should concentrate on xfst and dss-vst with the latest WINE releases ? > > xfst & latest Wine - definitely yes. What's dss-vst? Google didn't > tell me anything. Hi Mark. Theres a bit about it on the DSSI home page, that I accessed from DSSI on planetccrma audio software list. > > > Also, I'm in the process of rewriting the VST+Linux tutorial, I'm > > displacing the vstserver and fst material and putting up front new > > material regarding my experience with xfst and DSSI. It should be > > completed tomorrow (I'm not at my Demudi machine). > > Seems possibly a bit premature based on these results but I probably > don't have a good view. Clearly the jack_fst stuff that's been there > for the last year or more is probably no longer helpful to many. It > seems like xfst and at least last months Wine is probably a better > solution, but has it been tested with enough VST's to think it works > well? Performance? xruns? All the messy stuff of real life? ;-) > > I certainly agree that any writing you do will be helpful. > > Cheers, > Mark Incidentally I'm following this thread with the greatest interest, as I've all about given up on wine running anything "I" want to run on it, and am looking forward to Dave's tutorial. Waiting in anticipation. Nigel. From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 12:00:56 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 23 12:00:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <435BA9A9.5060606@earthlink.net> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <435BA9A9.5060606@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510230900k31063607p849cf53fa289a510@mail.gmail.com> On 10/23/05, Ken wrote: > > > seems a little emvarrissing that all the talented linux programmers are > concentrating their efforts on running M$ based plugins. should be a > slew of dssi's by now, or maybe a reaktor killer... > Personally I don't see it this way at all, at least form a user's point of view. I write music. I want sounds. I use whatever tools are available to me to do it. If I have Reaktor, which I do, but I don't want to run it on Win XP for either stability or licensing reasons, then running it Linux is a sensible thing to look into. When Dave, myself and others discuss this topic I don't think that any of us are speaking as developers. I'm certainly not one. If the folks writing Wine are doing the tasks they want to accomplish then we are doing them a service in testing Wine. (Whether through xfst or Wine/Savihost/etc.) I am served if I can run Reaktor. I have little patience for the idea of *waiting* for first 'a Reaktor Killer' and then later a set of instruments programmed into that killer that allow me the breadth and depth of sound I get from Reaktor today. I'll be happy to use them if and when they appear. A very good example (IMO) is ZynAddSubFx. Good synth. Very usable. Very limited preprogrammed libray of sounds for a casual user to start with. Compared to Reaktor Session, where you start with 100's of interesting preprogrammed sounds for the cost of $200 I saved at least weeks of time, most probably months of time over the last few years. Just my 2.5 cents, Mark From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sun Oct 23 04:19:54 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun Oct 23 12:21:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <200510230740.19426.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <5bdc1c8b0510230657t3e089285q8604b6547161fa5f@mail.gmail.com> <200510230740.19426.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <200510230819.54071.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 23 October 2005 07:40, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Sunday 23 October 2005 13:57, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 10/23/05, Dave Phillips wrote: > > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > >Dave, > > > > I'm only here for a few minutes this evening. In the make file > > > >there seems to be more or less a a single invocation of winebuild that > > > >has 'debug' in it. Can we just remove it? > > > > > > > > Since the option isn't supported, and wasn't in the man page, I > > > >don't know what Torben intended in it's use. > > > > > > > > Anyway, part of this exercise, in my mind, is finding a solution > > > >that works AND is maintainable out into the future. I suspect that > > > >when we get past this we will see it as our first, small maintainance > > > >patch. What's important is that we don't go backward with old Wine, > > > >but always forward with new Wine. > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > >Mark > > > > > > Hi Mark: > > > > > > Unfortunately merely removing the --debug option doesn't resolve the > > > options problem. Winebuild now uses "modes" to define its actions, and > > > those modes are further defined by a set of options pertaining to that > > > mode. The problem now is that I can't figure out the right combination > > > of mode + option(s). The --dll mode requires a .spec or .def file > > > that's not present in the xfst package. The --exe mode requires no spec > > > file, but either it's not working as advertised or I'm still missing > > > something about it. One of those modes is supposed to be used when > > > winebuild creates a .c file. > > > > I wonder if I might find some help on one of theWine lists. I'll try > > there and let you know if I discover anything. > > > > > Btw, this is wine-20050930, I think you're on the same version, yes ? > > > > Yes. > > > > > We should also be sure to test DSSI. > > > > What's DSSI? Answering self: > > > > http://dssi.sourceforge.net/ > > > > >From a quick read, how does DSSI allow me to run commercial VST's? Not > > > > clear. Seems like something homegrown that competes. > > > > > As far as I can tell, the vstserver > > > project is dead, and the fst project is on a back-burner, so perhaps we > > > should concentrate on xfst and dss-vst with the latest WINE releases ? > > > > xfst & latest Wine - definitely yes. What's dss-vst? Google didn't > > tell me anything. > > Hi Mark. > Theres a bit about it on the DSSI home page, that I accessed from DSSI on > planetccrma audio software list. > > > > Also, I'm in the process of rewriting the VST+Linux tutorial, I'm > > > displacing the vstserver and fst material and putting up front new > > > material regarding my experience with xfst and DSSI. It should be > > > completed tomorrow (I'm not at my Demudi machine). > > > > Seems possibly a bit premature based on these results but I probably > > don't have a good view. Clearly the jack_fst stuff that's been there > > for the last year or more is probably no longer helpful to many. It > > seems like xfst and at least last months Wine is probably a better > > solution, but has it been tested with enough VST's to think it works > > well? Performance? xruns? All the messy stuff of real life? ;-) > > > > I certainly agree that any writing you do will be helpful. > > > > Cheers, > > Mark > > Incidentally I'm following this thread with the greatest interest, as I've > all about given up on wine running anything "I" want to run on it, and am > looking forward to Dave's tutorial. Waiting in anticipation. Nigel. Hi Mark. Sorry about the last post. There are about 2 lines of info. Tried to progress to sourceforge to download dssi-vst, but konqueror suddenly starting using 100%+ cpu. Don't know if some disgruntled windows user has knobbled the sourceforge dssi-vst page. I was going to DL dssi-vst and see if there was anymore info about it in the README. Doh. Nigel. From renueden at earthlink.net Sun Oct 23 13:02:47 2005 From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken) Date: Sun Oct 23 13:02:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510230900k31063607p849cf53fa289a510@mail.gmail.com> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <435BA9A9.5060606@earthlink.net> <5bdc1c8b0510230900k31063607p849cf53fa289a510@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <435BC237.6020303@earthlink.net> Mark Knecht wrote: >On 10/23/05, Ken wrote: > > >>seems a little emvarrissing that all the talented linux programmers are >>concentrating their efforts on running M$ based plugins. should be a >>slew of dssi's by now, or maybe a reaktor killer... >> >> >> > >Personally I don't see it this way at all, at least form a user's >point of view. I write music. I want sounds. I use whatever tools are >available to me to do it. If I have Reaktor, which I do, but I don't >want to run it on Win XP for either stability or licensing reasons, >then running it Linux is a sensible thing to look into. When Dave, >myself and others discuss this topic I don't think that any of us are >speaking as developers. I'm certainly not one. > >If the folks writing Wine are doing the tasks they want to accomplish >then we are doing them a service in testing Wine. (Whether through >xfst or Wine/Savihost/etc.) I am served if I can run Reaktor. > >I have little patience for the idea of *waiting* for first 'a Reaktor >Killer' and then later a set of instruments programmed into that >killer that allow me the breadth and depth of sound I get from Reaktor >today. I'll be happy to use them if and when they appear. A very good >example (IMO) is ZynAddSubFx. Good synth. Very usable. Very limited >preprogrammed libray of sounds for a casual user to start with. >Compared to Reaktor Session, where you start with 100's of interesting >preprogrammed sounds for the cost of $200 I saved at least weeks of >time, most probably months of time over the last few years. > >Just my 2.5 cents, >Mark > > > > good points, thanks for the info. From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 13:20:50 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 23 13:20:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <200510230819.54071.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <5bdc1c8b0510230657t3e089285q8604b6547161fa5f@mail.gmail.com> <200510230740.19426.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200510230819.54071.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510231020r725fc2d8tabdc486e2e09a40f@mail.gmail.com> On 10/23/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > Incidentally I'm following this thread with the greatest interest, as I've > > all about given up on wine running anything "I" want to run on it, and am > > looking forward to Dave's tutorial. Waiting in anticipation. Nigel. > > Hi Mark. Sorry about the last post. There are about 2 lines of info. Tried to > progress to sourceforge to download dssi-vst, but konqueror suddenly starting > using 100%+ cpu. Don't know if some disgruntled windows user has knobbled the > sourceforge dssi-vst page. I was going to DL dssi-vst and see if there was > anymore info about it in the README. Doh. Nigel. > Nigel, I don't know the status of dssi-vst, but it sticks in my mind (and this was quite some time ago) that it didn't handle GUIs at all. It only worked with VSts that ran in the backgorund or could run without a GUI. I was surprised that this was useful, but I was told on the Rosegarden list that there were numerous VSTs that worked this way. Anyway, I've not used it and up until now thought that it was a pretty specialized piece of software. I could be very wrong about everything above. From my POV, all Windows VST's of interest to me includes some part of a GUI for control. It has been my thought that to get this GUI I must run Wine, in one form or another. Possibly I'm wrong about that or possibly DSSI has new capabilities. Let us know what you find out. Cheers, Mark From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Oct 23 13:35:43 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Oct 23 13:25:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510230657t3e089285q8604b6547161fa5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510230657t3e089285q8604b6547161fa5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <435BC9EF.3070601@woh.rr.com> Mark Knecht wrote: >What's DSSI? Answering self: > >http://dssi.sourceforge.net/ > >From a quick read, how does DSSI allow me to run commercial VST's? Not >clear. Seems like something homegrown that competes. > > > >>As far as I can tell, the vstserver >>project is dead, and the fst project is on a back-burner, so perhaps we >>should concentrate on xfst and dss-vst with the latest WINE releases ? >> >> > >xfst & latest Wine - definitely yes. What's dss-vst? Google didn't >tell me anything. > > Sorry about the typo, it should have read dssi-vst. But I think that's been made clear by some other posts to this thread. >> Also, I'm in the process of rewriting the VST+Linux tutorial, I'm >>displacing the vstserver and fst material and putting up front new >>material regarding my experience with xfst and DSSI. It should be >>completed tomorrow (I'm not at my Demudi machine). >> >> > >Seems possibly a bit premature based on these results but I probably >don't have a good view. Clearly the jack_fst stuff that's been there >for the last year or more is probably no longer helpful to many. It >seems like xfst and at least last months Wine is probably a better >solution, but has it been tested with enough VST's to think it works >well? Performance? xruns? All the messy stuff of real life? ;-) > > I'm not going to put up a revised edition until I resolve the winebuild issues with Torben's Makefile. The only problem appears to be a syntax issue, hopefully I can resolve it within a few days. Best, dp From torbenh at gmx.de Sun Oct 23 14:03:12 2005 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Sun Oct 23 13:45:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 07:32:57AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > >Dave, > > I'm only here for a few minutes this evening. In the make file > >there seems to be more or less a a single invocation of winebuild that > >has 'debug' in it. Can we just remove it? > > > > Since the option isn't supported, and wasn't in the man page, I > >don't know what Torben intended in it's use. > > > > Anyway, part of this exercise, in my mind, is finding a solution > >that works AND is maintainable out into the future. I suspect that > >when we get past this we will see it as our first, small maintainance > >patch. What's important is that we don't go backward with old Wine, > >but always forward with new Wine. > > > >Cheers, > >Mark > > > > > Hi Mark: > > Unfortunately merely removing the --debug option doesn't resolve the > options problem. Winebuild now uses "modes" to define its actions, and > those modes are further defined by a set of options pertaining to that > mode. The problem now is that I can't figure out the right combination > of mode + option(s). The --dll mode requires a .spec or .def file that's > not present in the xfst package. The --exe mode requires no spec file, > but either it's not working as advertised or I'm still missing something > about it. One of those modes is supposed to be used when winebuild > creates a .c file. > > Btw, this is wine-20050930, I think you're on the same version, yes ? > We should also be sure to test DSSI. As far as I can tell, the vstserver > project is dead, and the fst project is on a back-burner, so perhaps we > should concentrate on xfst and dss-vst with the latest WINE releases ? xfst IS fst. i just removed the hacky stuff. i removed the debug stuff from the makefile and it still works with my wine version. Wine 20050111 i uploaded to http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.4.tar.gz please report back. > > Also, I'm in the process of rewriting the VST+Linux tutorial, I'm > displacing the vstserver and fst material and putting up front new > material regarding my experience with xfst and DSSI. It should be > completed tomorrow (I'm not at my Demudi machine). > > Best, > > dp > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From hanaghan at starband.net Sun Oct 23 13:52:31 2005 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Sun Oct 23 13:47:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <435BC9EF.3070601@woh.rr.com> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510230657t3e089285q8604b6547161fa5f@mail.gmail.com> <435BC9EF.3070601@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <435BCDDF.5050305@starband.net> Dave Phillips wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > >> What's DSSI? Answering self: >> >> http://dssi.sourceforge.net/ >> >> From a quick read, how does DSSI allow me to run commercial VST's? Not >> clear. Seems like something homegrown that competes. >> >> >> >>> As far as I can tell, the vstserver >>> project is dead, and the fst project is on a back-burner, so perhaps we >>> should concentrate on xfst and dss-vst with the latest WINE releases ? >>> >> >> >> xfst & latest Wine - definitely yes. What's dss-vst? Google didn't >> tell me anything. >> >> > Sorry about the typo, it should have read dssi-vst. But I think that's > been made clear by some other posts to this thread. > >>> Also, I'm in the process of rewriting the VST+Linux tutorial, I'm >>> displacing the vstserver and fst material and putting up front new >>> material regarding my experience with xfst and DSSI. It should be >>> completed tomorrow (I'm not at my Demudi machine). >>> >> >> >> Seems possibly a bit premature based on these results but I probably >> don't have a good view. Clearly the jack_fst stuff that's been there >> for the last year or more is probably no longer helpful to many. It >> seems like xfst and at least last months Wine is probably a better >> solution, but has it been tested with enough VST's to think it works >> well? Performance? xruns? All the messy stuff of real life? ;-) >> >> > I'm not going to put up a revised edition until I resolve the > winebuild issues with Torben's Makefile. The only problem appears to > be a syntax issue, hopefully I can resolve it within a few days. > > Best, > > dp > > Not to muddy the waters guys but Mark, you quoted "Going back to a previous Wine version was Not an option". Just curious why... Thac, whom packages now primarily for PClinuxOS, has recently packaged Xfst againts 20050830 (two months old) and it appears to work fine. Including HyperCanvas synth which I know I have Dave hooked on for life! :) Is the latest Wine version doing some cool stuff with other M$ based audio apps? Or are you simply remaining vigilant to promote forward growth? Not that I'd disagree with that concept but its ironic we have lived with using a Wine version , indeed, the ONLY reliable version that jack_fst or dssi would work against for the mass's that was quite old. Cheers, R~ From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Sun Oct 23 14:05:50 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Sun Oct 23 14:05:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <4352C887.6040008@nyvalls.se> <1129517531.9059.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43533404.6020903@starband.net> <1129556867.9229.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20051020212931.GA4707@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <435988F3.6050802@sympatico.ca> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> Message-ID: <435BD0FE.3050902@sympatico.ca> torbenh@gmx.de wrote: >On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 08:33:55PM -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > > >>Thanks! We help ourselves... that's the nice thing about open source. >>With the -r option Crystal works for me now. What is this option for? >>One plugin that I can't get working is the SRI_1010. It would be very >>nice to have this one unless you know of any other free convolution >>plugin. I tried with and without the -r option and I get: >> >>err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type of this >>midi device. Assuming FM Synth >>gui_thread_id = 10 >>could not post message to gui thread >>cannot create editor >> >> > >hmmm... this looks like the plugin is trying to open a midi port by >itself. try to configure wine so that it does not see any alsa midiport. > > I disabled alsa in wine using winecfg and now I don't get any midi related error but I'm still getting this: gui_thread_id = 10 could not post message to gui thread cannot create editor And it fails opening SRI_1010. thanks, hector From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 14:11:13 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 23 14:11:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <435BCDDF.5050305@starband.net> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510230657t3e089285q8604b6547161fa5f@mail.gmail.com> <435BC9EF.3070601@woh.rr.com> <435BCDDF.5050305@starband.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510231111g1010bbewc7e85c56f0ae7441@mail.gmail.com> On 10/23/05, Russell Hanaghan wrote: > Not to muddy the waters guys but Mark, you quoted "Going back to a > previous Wine version was Not an option". Just curious why... > Hi Russel, Because going backward does not meet my view of "a supported environment". I think that Dave and I are very much approaching this from the POV that whatever way we work out to really use VSTs needs to live into the future. We have two different environments on the table at the moment: 1) A linux-based platform that holds the VST and talks to Wine & Jack as required. This was jack_fst and is now xfst. 2) A Windows-based platform that holds the VST and talks to Jack. Right now we're sort of intersted in Savihost, but there are likely others. My understanding of status an issues: a) Of the two above #1 requires a developer (Torben) agree to maintain xfst into the future or we get stranded again some time out there. b) #2 above doesn't have the complication of a Linux app but adds the complication of a second Windows app, as well as requiring Wine to do a good job talking to Jack. At this time it appears Wine is broken for Jack >0.99 so that doesn't work right now. Of the two above I prefer #1 in the short term, and #2 in the long term. I think #2 can be done, eventually, as long as the Jack developers don't break Wine audio support, as they did with Jack-0.100.+, the way the Wine developers broke jack_fst memory mapping. Anyway, I'm looking for a solution that works and allows me ot move forward with Wine. There are good reasons to use the newest Wine. They have greatly reduced the number of install problems and more apps are working now. Cheers, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 14:23:02 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 23 14:23:04 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510231123h5ed64b38nd178ce9dfcb13f87@mail.gmail.com> On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > xfst IS fst. i just removed the hacky stuff. > i removed the debug stuff from the makefile and it still works with my > wine version. > > Wine 20050111 > > i uploaded to > http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.4.tar.gz > > please report back. Hi Torben, 0.4 gets farther but still has problems for me. I commented out two functions in aeffectx.h to get this far. Unfortunately this looks like mostly an AMD64 problem: mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ make winegcc -c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` -I. -o audiomaster.o audiomaster.c In file included from ./fst.h:26, from jackvst.h:8, from audiomaster.c:23: ./vst/AEffect.h:35: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], )' - ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:49: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:70: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:72: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:74: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:75: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:100: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:191: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without matching #pragma pack (push, ) In file included from audiomaster.c:24: ./vst/aeffectx.h:21: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], )' - ignored ./vst/aeffectx.h:1000: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without matching #pragma pack (push, ) winegcc -c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` -I. -o fst.o fst.c In file included from fst.h:26, from fst.c:4: ./vst/AEffect.h:35: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], )' - ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:49: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:70: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:72: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:74: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:75: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:100: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:191: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without matching #pragma pack (push, ) winegcc -c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` -I. -o fstinfofile.o fstinfofile.c In file included from fst.h:26, from fstinfofile.c:2: ./vst/AEffect.h:35: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], )' - ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:49: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:70: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:72: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:74: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:75: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:100: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:191: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without matching #pragma pack (push, ) In file included from fstinfofile.c:3: vst/aeffectx.h:21: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], )' - ignored vst/aeffectx.h:1000: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without matching #pragma pack (push, ) winegcc -c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` -I. -o gtk.o gtk.c In file included from ./fst.h:26, from jackvst.h:8, from gtk.c:20: ./vst/AEffect.h:35: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], )' - ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:49: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:70: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:72: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:74: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:75: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:100: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:191: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without matching #pragma pack (push, ) gtk.c: In function `bypass_handler': gtk.c:34: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size gtk.c: In function `mute_handler': gtk.c:42: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size gtk.c: In function `remove_handler': gtk.c:49: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size winegcc -c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` -I. -o jfst.o jfst.c In file included from ./fst.h:26, from jfst.c:23: ./vst/AEffect.h:35: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], )' - ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:49: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:70: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:72: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:74: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:75: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:100: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:191: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without matching #pragma pack (push, ) In file included from jfst.c:25: ./vst/aeffectx.h:21: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], )' - ignored ./vst/aeffectx.h:1000: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without matching #pragma pack (push, ) winegcc -c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` -I. -o vsti.o vsti.c In file included from ./fst.h:26, from ./jackvst.h:8, from vsti.c:32: ./vst/AEffect.h:35: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], )' - ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:49: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:70: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:72: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:74: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:75: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:100: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:191: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without matching #pragma pack (push, ) In file included from vsti.c:33: ./vst/aeffectx.h:21: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], )' - ignored ./vst/aeffectx.h:1000: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without matching #pragma pack (push, ) vsti.c: In function `queue_midi': vsti.c:77: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type winegcc -c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` -I. -o vstwin.o vstwin.c In file included from fst.h:26, from vstwin.c:14: ./vst/AEffect.h:35: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], )' - ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:49: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:70: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:72: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:74: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:75: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:100: warning: `__cdecl__' attribute ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:191: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without matching #pragma pack (push, ) vstwin.c:56: warning: `__stdcall__' attribute ignored vstwin.c:153: warning: `__stdcall__' attribute ignored vstwin.c: In function `fst_create_editor': vstwin.c:381: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size vstwin.c: In function `fst_load': vstwin.c:514: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type winegcc -mwindows -o xfst.exe audiomaster.o fst.o fstinfofile.o gtk.o jfst.o vsti.o vstwin.o `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --libs jack` `pkg-config --libs alsa` -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -luuid ld: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf64-x86-64 (audiomaster.o) to format elf32-i386 (xfst.qiWLmx.o) is not supported winebuild: ld -m elf_i386 -r failed with status 256 winegcc: winebuild failed. make: *** [xfst.exe] Error 2 mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ I will try it on a 32-bit machine later today or tomorrow. Thanks, Mark From tobbe at nyvalls.se Sun Oct 23 14:36:21 2005 From: tobbe at nyvalls.se (tobbe@nyvalls.se) Date: Sun Oct 23 14:37:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <435BCDDF.5050305@starband.net> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510230657t3e089285q8604b6547161fa5f@mail.gmail.com> <435BC9EF.3070601@woh.rr.com> <435BCDDF.5050305@starband.net> Message-ID: <435BD825.3080807@nyvalls.se> Russell Hanaghan skrev: > Dave Phillips wrote: > >> Mark Knecht wrote: >> >>> What's DSSI? Answering self: >>> >>> http://dssi.sourceforge.net/ >>> >>> From a quick read, how does DSSI allow me to run commercial VST's? Not >>> clear. Seems like something homegrown that competes. >>> >>> >>> >>>> As far as I can tell, the vstserver >>>> project is dead, and the fst project is on a back-burner, so >>>> perhaps we >>>> should concentrate on xfst and dss-vst with the latest WINE releases ? >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> xfst & latest Wine - definitely yes. What's dss-vst? Google didn't >>> tell me anything. >>> >>> >> Sorry about the typo, it should have read dssi-vst. But I think >> that's been made clear by some other posts to this thread. >> >>>> Also, I'm in the process of rewriting the VST+Linux tutorial, I'm >>>> displacing the vstserver and fst material and putting up front new >>>> material regarding my experience with xfst and DSSI. It should be >>>> completed tomorrow (I'm not at my Demudi machine). >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Seems possibly a bit premature based on these results but I probably >>> don't have a good view. Clearly the jack_fst stuff that's been there >>> for the last year or more is probably no longer helpful to many. It >>> seems like xfst and at least last months Wine is probably a better >>> solution, but has it been tested with enough VST's to think it works >>> well? Performance? xruns? All the messy stuff of real life? ;-) >>> >>> >> I'm not going to put up a revised edition until I resolve the >> winebuild issues with Torben's Makefile. The only problem appears to >> be a syntax issue, hopefully I can resolve it within a few days. >> >> Best, >> >> dp >> >> > Not to muddy the waters guys but Mark, you quoted "Going back to a > previous Wine version was Not an option". Just curious why... > > Thac, whom packages now primarily for PClinuxOS, has recently packaged > Xfst againts 20050830 (two months old) and it appears to work fine. > Including HyperCanvas synth which I know I have Dave hooked on for > life! :) > > Is the latest Wine version doing some cool stuff with other M$ based > audio apps? Or are you simply remaining vigilant to promote forward > growth? Not that I'd disagree with that concept but its ironic we have > lived with using a Wine version , indeed, the ONLY reliable version > that jack_fst or dssi would work against for the mass's that was quite > old. > > Cheers, > > R~ > > upgrade i have just packaged wine-20050930 and xfst-0.4 for pclo available now im rebuilding them for mandriva 2006.0 now /Torbj?rn Turpeinen (Thac) From torbenh at gmx.de Sun Oct 23 14:55:25 2005 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Sun Oct 23 14:38:31 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> Message-ID: <20051023185525.GA4896@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 08:03:12PM +0200, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > i uploaded to > http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.4.tar.gz > > please report back. ok... thac just built rpms. it works. go xfst. go. -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Sun Oct 23 14:52:05 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Sun Oct 23 14:52:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <1129218520.12415.169.camel@dhin> <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <4352C887.6040008@nyvalls.se> <1129517531.9059.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43533404.6020903@starband.net> <1129556867.9229.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20051020212931.GA4707@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <435988F3.6050802@sympatico.ca> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> Message-ID: <435BDBD5.5070908@sympatico.ca> torbenh@gmx.de wrote: >On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 08:33:55PM -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > > >>Thanks! We help ourselves... that's the nice thing about open source. >>With the -r option Crystal works for me now. What is this option for? >>One plugin that I can't get working is the SRI_1010. It would be very >>nice to have this one unless you know of any other free convolution >>plugin. I tried with and without the -r option and I get: >> >>err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type of this >>midi device. Assuming FM Synth >>gui_thread_id = 10 >>could not post message to gui thread >>cannot create editor >> >> > >hmmm... this looks like the plugin is trying to open a midi port by >itself. try to configure wine so that it does not see any alsa midiport. > > > I disabled alsa in wine using winecfg and now I don't get any midi related error but I'm still getting this: gui_thread_id = 10 could not post message to gui thread cannot create editor And it fails opening SRI_1010. thanks, hector From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 15:05:34 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 23 15:05:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510231205y7d890e91oabf3d582fe0964e4@mail.gmail.com> On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > xfst IS fst. i just removed the hacky stuff. > i removed the debug stuff from the makefile and it still works with my > wine version. > > Wine 20050111 > > i uploaded to > http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.4.tar.gz > > please report back. OK, on one of my 32-bit systems I got much further. The GUI comes up and Crystal is visible in QJC's connection windows. However almost immediately I see this in the terminal where I'm running: mark@gigastudio ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ ./xfst ~/VSTs/Crystal.dll gui_thread_id = 10 Got the focus zombified - exiting from JACK lost focus Got the focus lost focus The GUI is still up but the VST is gone from QJC. I exit Crystal and see this: Got the focus lost focus Got the focus wtf. lost focus quit........ mark@gigastudio ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ mark@gigastudio ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ wine --version Wine 20050930 mark@gigastudio ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ uname -a Linux gigastudio 2.6.12-gentoo-r10 #1 Thu Sep 8 02:09:54 PDT 2005 i686 AMD Athlon(TM) XP1600+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux mark@gigastudio ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ NOTE: If anythign about xfst require Wine work with Jack then it may be a problem for this version of Wine. Thanks, Mark From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Sun Oct 23 15:34:08 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Sun Oct 23 15:34:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510231205y7d890e91oabf3d582fe0964e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231205y7d890e91oabf3d582fe0964e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <435BE5B0.7040204@sympatico.ca> Mark Knecht wrote: >On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > > >>xfst IS fst. i just removed the hacky stuff. >>i removed the debug stuff from the makefile and it still works with my >>wine version. >> >>Wine 20050111 >> >>i uploaded to >>http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.4.tar.gz >> >>please report back. >> >> > >OK, on one of my 32-bit systems I got much further. The GUI comes up >and Crystal is visible in QJC's connection windows. However almost >immediately I see this in the terminal where I'm running: > >mark@gigastudio ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ ./xfst ~/VSTs/Crystal.dll >gui_thread_id = 10 >Got the focus >zombified - exiting from JACK >lost focus >Got the focus >lost focus > >The GUI is still up but the VST is gone from QJC. I exit Crystal and see this: > >Got the focus >lost focus >Got the focus >wtf. >lost focus >quit........ >mark@gigastudio ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ > >mark@gigastudio ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ wine --version >Wine 20050930 >mark@gigastudio ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ uname -a >Linux gigastudio 2.6.12-gentoo-r10 #1 Thu Sep 8 02:09:54 PDT 2005 i686 >AMD Athlon(TM) XP1600+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux >mark@gigastudio ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ > >NOTE: If anythign about xfst require Wine work with Jack then it may >be a problem for this version of Wine. > >Thanks, >Mark > > > Mark, Did you try running xfst with the -r flag? ./xfst -r ~/VSTs/Crystal.dll That solved the same problem for me with Crystal. If that doesn't work try changing the timeout parameter in jack to at least 1000msec. Hector From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Sun Oct 23 15:40:37 2005 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Sun Oct 23 15:39:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 Message-ID: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> The Sineshaper is a monophonic DSSI synth. This is the first release. Source tarball, screenshot and Vorbis demo are available here: http://ll-plugins.sf.net. The knob graphics are created by Thorsten Wilms and Peter Shorthose. The Sineshaper synth has two sine oscillators and two waveshapers. The sound from the two oscillators is mixed and passed through the waveshapers, first through the first waveshaper and then the second. You can control the tuning of both oscillators as well as their relative loudness, and the total amount of shaping and the fraction of that amount that each shaper applies. Both waveshapers use a sine function for shaping the sound, but for the second shaper you can shift the sine function (with maximal shift it becomes a cosine function) to produce a different sound. You can also add vibrato and tremolo, and change the ADSR envelope that controls the amplitude and shape amount (as well as setting the envelope sensitivity for both the amplifier and the shapers). There is also a "Drive" control that adds distorsion, and a feedback delay with controllable delay time and feedback amount. All control parameters can be changed using MIDI. The Sineshaper synth comes with some presets that you can play or use as starting points for your own synth settings. You can not change these "factory presets", but you can create and save your own presets. They are written to the file .sineshaperpresets in your home directory. If you make any nice presets I would really like to hear them. -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051023/0fe5dc9d/attachment.bin From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Oct 23 15:59:58 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Oct 23 16:00:55 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510231123h5ed64b38nd178ce9dfcb13f87@mail.gmail.com> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231123h5ed64b38nd178ce9dfcb13f87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1130097599.11980.54.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:23 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > > > xfst IS fst. i just removed the hacky stuff. > > i removed the debug stuff from the makefile and it still works with my > > wine version. > > > > Wine 20050111 > > > > i uploaded to > > http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.4.tar.gz > > > > please report back. > > Hi Torben, > 0.4 gets farther but still has problems for me. I commented out two > functions in aeffectx.h to get this far. Unfortunately this looks like > mostly an AMD64 problem: Is even theoretically possible to run 32 bit VST plugins in a pure 64 bit environment? Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 16:01:44 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 23 16:01:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <435BE5B0.7040204@sympatico.ca> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231205y7d890e91oabf3d582fe0964e4@mail.gmail.com> <435BE5B0.7040204@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510231301t6a01c88epcaea7c19679b2218@mail.gmail.com> On 10/23/05, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > >On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > > > > > > >>xfst IS fst. i just removed the hacky stuff. > >>i removed the debug stuff from the makefile and it still works with my > >>wine version. > >> > >>Wine 20050111 > >> > >>i uploaded to > >>http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.4.tar.gz > >> > >>please report back. > >> > >> > > > >OK, on one of my 32-bit systems I got much further. The GUI comes up > >and Crystal is visible in QJC's connection windows. However almost > >immediately I see this in the terminal where I'm running: > > > >mark@gigastudio ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ ./xfst ~/VSTs/Crystal.dll > >gui_thread_id = 10 > >Got the focus > >zombified - exiting from JACK > >lost focus > >Got the focus > >lost focus > > > >The GUI is still up but the VST is gone from QJC. I exit Crystal and see this: > > > >Got the focus > >lost focus > >Got the focus > >wtf. > >lost focus > >quit........ > >mark@gigastudio ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ > > > >mark@gigastudio ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ wine --version > >Wine 20050930 > >mark@gigastudio ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ uname -a > >Linux gigastudio 2.6.12-gentoo-r10 #1 Thu Sep 8 02:09:54 PDT 2005 i686 > >AMD Athlon(TM) XP1600+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux > >mark@gigastudio ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ > > > >NOTE: If anythign about xfst require Wine work with Jack then it may > >be a problem for this version of Wine. > > > >Thanks, > >Mark > > > > > > > Mark, > > Did you try running xfst with the -r flag? ./xfst -r ~/VSTs/Crystal.dll > That solved the same problem for me with Crystal. If that doesn't work > try changing the timeout parameter in jack to at least 1000msec. > > > > Hector > Hector, Yes, I tried it with and without the -r. At that time it was failing. However this machine is a little bit out of date and the card setup is a bit complex so I'm doing some fiddling with everything to see if it helps. It seems it might as now it seems to be running, at least with some sound cards and at some sample rates. mark@gigastudio ~ $ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [M2496 ]: ICE1712 - M Audio Audiophile 24/96 M Audio Audiophile 24/96 at 0xa400, irq 10 1 [R15 ]: RME9636 - RME Digi9636 (Rev 1.5) RME Digi9636 (Rev 1.5) at 0xe2000000, irq 9 2 [CMI8738MC6 ]: CMI8738-MC6 - C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC6 C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC6 (model 55) at 0xd800, irq 11 mark@gigastudio ~ $ I'll report back more later if I figure out any real problems, but I think it possibly is working. Cheers, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 16:18:00 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 23 16:18:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <1130097599.11980.54.camel@mindpipe> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231123h5ed64b38nd178ce9dfcb13f87@mail.gmail.com> <1130097599.11980.54.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510231318j4e9db7b0x1106e9b240329249@mail.gmail.com> On 10/23/05, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:23 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > > > > > xfst IS fst. i just removed the hacky stuff. > > > i removed the debug stuff from the makefile and it still works with my > > > wine version. > > > > > > Wine 20050111 > > > > > > i uploaded to > > > http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.4.tar.gz > > > > > > please report back. > > > > Hi Torben, > > 0.4 gets farther but still has problems for me. I commented out two > > functions in aeffectx.h to get this far. Unfortunately this looks like > > mostly an AMD64 problem: > > Is even theoretically possible to run 32 bit VST plugins in a pure 64 > bit environment? > > Lee Good question. Problem is I don't know if I'm truly pure 64-bit here. I have a pure 64-bit kernel, I think, but I also have emulation IA32 libraries installed which I'm pretty sure Wine is using. I'm doing apples as much as possible. Using the Crystal VST I can get sound using Savihost under Wine and the Alsa driver. Latency is bad, etc., and I want to run Jack, but I have Jack-0.100.5 installed and Wine doesn't seem to talk to that version of Jack. On the same machine xfst doesn't link. Notice the message: winegcc -mwindows -o xfst.exe audiomaster.o fst.o fstinfofile.o gtk.o jfst.o vsti.o vstwin.o `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --libs jack` `pkg-config --libs alsa` -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -luuid ld: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf64-x86-64 (audiomaster.o) to format elf32-i386 (xfst.qiWLmx.o) is not supported So I suspect that when Torben gets a chance to look at this he'll find a way to make it work. (I hope...) - Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 16:45:58 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 23 16:46:01 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Mantis down? Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510231345s45b6891at38ac7cbe1972d8f8@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I wonder if anyone gets through to the Alsa bug reporting system? I've not managed for a couple of days now. Cheers, Mark From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sun Oct 23 08:49:51 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun Oct 23 16:51:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> References: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <200510231249.51901.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 23 October 2005 19:40, Lars Luthman wrote: > The Sineshaper is a monophonic DSSI synth. This is the first release. > Source tarball, screenshot and Vorbis demo are available here: > http://ll-plugins.sf.net. The knob graphics are created by Thorsten > Wilms and Peter Shorthose. > > The Sineshaper synth has two sine oscillators and two waveshapers. > The sound from the two oscillators is mixed and passed through the > waveshapers, first through the first waveshaper and then the second. > You can control the tuning of both oscillators as well as their > relative loudness, and the total amount of shaping and the fraction of > that amount that each shaper applies. Both waveshapers use a sine > function for shaping the sound, but for the second shaper you can shift > the sine function (with maximal shift it becomes a cosine function) to > produce a different sound. > > You can also add vibrato and tremolo, and change the ADSR envelope > that controls the amplitude and shape amount (as well as setting the > envelope sensitivity for both the amplifier and the shapers). There > is also a "Drive" control that adds distorsion, and a feedback delay > with controllable delay time and feedback amount. All control parameters > can be changed using MIDI. > > The Sineshaper synth comes with some presets that you can play or use > as starting points for your own synth settings. You can not change > these "factory presets", but you can create and save your own presets. > They are written to the file .sineshaperpresets in your home directory. > If you make any nice presets I would really like to hear them. Hi. This sounds really good, but. BUT. I'm getting the same problems with deps that I'm getting with om, while trying to install Smack (the drum machine) It wants libglademm, which wants, gtkmm, which wants (I presume) glibmm, and then ligsigc++-2.0. I stopped at gtkmm caus I could see which way this was going. I'm on FC2 for this install, and already have libsigc++-1.2.5-1.rhfc2.ccrma which is a dep for Cheesetracker. Am I likely to have a conflict if I install libsigc++-2.0, with the earlier version of libsigc++? Nigel. It sounds good I'd really like to get it working. From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Sun Oct 23 17:16:11 2005 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Sun Oct 23 17:15:07 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <200510231249.51901.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> <200510231249.51901.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <1130102171.7258.26.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 12:49 +0000, Nigel Henry wrote: > Hi. This sounds really good, but. BUT. I'm getting the same problems with deps > that I'm getting with om, while trying to install Smack (the drum machine) It > wants libglademm, which wants, gtkmm, which wants (I presume) glibmm, and > then ligsigc++-2.0. I stopped at gtkmm caus I could see which way this was > going. I'm on FC2 for this install, and already have > libsigc++-1.2.5-1.rhfc2.ccrma which is a dep for Cheesetracker. Am I likely > to have a conflict if I install libsigc++-2.0, with the earlier version of > libsigc++? Nigel. It sounds good I'd really like to get it working. I don't know how Fedora works, but libsigc++ 1.* and libsigc++ 2.* have incompatible APIs so any sane distribution would make two different packages for them so they could coexist on the same computer. I have libsigc++ 1.0, 1.2, and 2.0 installed on my Mandriva system, I'm pretty sure it would work fine on Fedora too. -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051023/1a0f92a4/attachment.bin From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sun Oct 23 09:15:06 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun Oct 23 17:16:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Mantis down? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510231345s45b6891at38ac7cbe1972d8f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0510231345s45b6891at38ac7cbe1972d8f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200510231315.06859.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 23 October 2005 20:45, Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi, > I wonder if anyone gets through to the Alsa bug reporting system? > I've not managed for a couple of days now. > > Cheers, > Mark Hi Mark. Lee was saying he'd had the same problem, but someone who'd posted to him had been able to post a bug report, so I don;t quite know whats going on. Nigel From torbenh at gmx.de Sun Oct 23 17:46:11 2005 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Sun Oct 23 17:28:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510231318j4e9db7b0x1106e9b240329249@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231123h5ed64b38nd178ce9dfcb13f87@mail.gmail.com> <1130097599.11980.54.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0510231318j4e9db7b0x1106e9b240329249@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051023214611.GB4896@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 01:18:00PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/23/05, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:23 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > > > > > > > xfst IS fst. i just removed the hacky stuff. > > > > i removed the debug stuff from the makefile and it still works with my > > > > wine version. > > > > > > > > Wine 20050111 > > > > > > > > i uploaded to > > > > http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.4.tar.gz > > > > > > > > please report back. > > > > > > Hi Torben, > > > 0.4 gets farther but still has problems for me. I commented out two > > > functions in aeffectx.h to get this far. Unfortunately this looks like > > > mostly an AMD64 problem: > > > > Is even theoretically possible to run 32 bit VST plugins in a pure 64 > > bit environment? > > > > Lee > > Good question. Problem is I don't know if I'm truly pure 64-bit here. > I have a pure 64-bit kernel, I think, but I also have emulation IA32 > libraries installed which I'm pretty sure Wine is using. > > I'm doing apples as much as possible. Using the Crystal VST I can get > sound using Savihost under Wine and the Alsa driver. Latency is bad, > etc., and I want to run Jack, but I have Jack-0.100.5 installed and > Wine doesn't seem to talk to that version of Jack. > > On the same machine xfst doesn't link. Notice the message: > > winegcc -mwindows -o xfst.exe audiomaster.o fst.o fstinfofile.o gtk.o > jfst.o vsti.o vstwin.o `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config > --libs jack` `pkg-config --libs alsa` -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -luuid > ld: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf64-x86-64 > (audiomaster.o) to format elf32-i386 (xfst.qiWLmx.o) is not supported > > So I suspect that when Torben gets a chance to look at this he'll find > a way to make it work. (I hope...) hmm... i dont have x86-64 here. but try CFLAGS=-m32 make > > - Mark > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 17:31:11 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 23 17:31:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Mantis down? In-Reply-To: <200510231315.06859.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <5bdc1c8b0510231345s45b6891at38ac7cbe1972d8f8@mail.gmail.com> <200510231315.06859.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510231431l3c6cbe1fkace019011dfbb65e@mail.gmail.com> On 10/23/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Sunday 23 October 2005 20:45, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Hi, > > I wonder if anyone gets through to the Alsa bug reporting system? > > I've not managed for a couple of days now. > > > > Cheers, > > Mark > > Hi Mark. Lee was saying he'd had the same problem, but someone who'd posted to > him had been able to post a bug report, so I don;t quite know whats going on. > Nigel > OK, thanks. BTW Nigel. It seems that your system clock always tells me messages were sent 8 hours ago. Is that set up correctly on the system you are emailing from? I don't see this with mail from other folks. Cheers, Mark From ce at christeck.de Sun Oct 23 17:38:32 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Oct 23 17:32:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <200510231249.51901.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> <200510231249.51901.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <200510232338.33572.ce@christeck.de> Hi Nigel, > It sounds good I'd really like to get it working. on LAD Lars wrote that at least gtkmm 2.5.1 seems to be necessary. I've now 2.6.4 and it built fine. Thanks for the pointer, Lars! Best regards ce From torbenh at gmx.de Sun Oct 23 17:52:33 2005 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Sun Oct 23 17:34:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <435BDBD5.5070908@sympatico.ca> References: <5bdc1c8b0510130933t7e8bfbefsaa40da2c5d198057@mail.gmail.com> <20051016064310.GA6325@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <4352C887.6040008@nyvalls.se> <1129517531.9059.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43533404.6020903@starband.net> <1129556867.9229.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20051020212931.GA4707@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <435988F3.6050802@sympatico.ca> <20051022055741.GB4447@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <435BDBD5.5070908@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20051023215233.GC4896@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 02:52:05PM -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > >On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 08:33:55PM -0400, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > > > > > >>Thanks! We help ourselves... that's the nice thing about open source. > >>With the -r option Crystal works for me now. What is this option for? > >>One plugin that I can't get working is the SRI_1010. It would be very > >>nice to have this one unless you know of any other free convolution > >>plugin. I tried with and without the -r option and I get: > >> > >>err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type of this > >>midi device. Assuming FM Synth > >>gui_thread_id = 10 > >>could not post message to gui thread > >>cannot create editor > >> > >> > > > >hmmm... this looks like the plugin is trying to open a midi port by > >itself. try to configure wine so that it does not see any alsa midiport. > > > > > > > I disabled alsa in wine using winecfg and now I don't get any midi > related error but I'm still getting this: > > gui_thread_id = 10 > could not post message to gui thread > cannot create editor > > And it fails opening SRI_1010. > where do i get sri_1010 from ? does it have a GUI ? if thats not the case open with -n but then i dont believe you will get the required sysexxes through. i think you should be using brutefir ;) > > thanks, > > > hector > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From ce at christeck.de Sun Oct 23 17:58:17 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Oct 23 17:52:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> References: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <200510232358.17456.ce@christeck.de> OK, > The Sineshaper synth comes with some presets that you can play or use > as starting points for your own synth settings. You can not change > these "factory presets", but you can create and save your own > presets. They are written to the file .sineshaperpresets in your home > directory. If you make any nice presets I would really like to hear > them. no it built fine and I had the occasion to play a bit with it. Some comments, if you're interested: * The presets don't show up for any reason * If the default settings could be adjusted, it would give a more immediate start: ** Decrease Gain (! ;-) ** Decrease Delay ** Decrease amp release time * I noticed that parameter changes take a long time until these take effect. Even moving the pitch bend wheel did last some milliseconds until it was audible. Same when playing with the UI controls * Can it be switched to be polyphonic? OK, enough for today, it's bed time now :) . Thanks for the code and good night, ce From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 18:00:24 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 23 18:00:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <20051023214611.GB4896@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> References: <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231123h5ed64b38nd178ce9dfcb13f87@mail.gmail.com> <1130097599.11980.54.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0510231318j4e9db7b0x1106e9b240329249@mail.gmail.com> <20051023214611.GB4896@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510231500k37f46682s83f83dc9e6f3b57d@mail.gmail.com> On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 01:18:00PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 10/23/05, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:23 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > > > > > > > > > xfst IS fst. i just removed the hacky stuff. > > > > > i removed the debug stuff from the makefile and it still works with my > > > > > wine version. > > > > > > > > > > Wine 20050111 > > > > > > > > > > i uploaded to > > > > > http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.4.tar.gz > > > > > > > > > > please report back. > > > > > > > > Hi Torben, > > > > 0.4 gets farther but still has problems for me. I commented out two > > > > functions in aeffectx.h to get this far. Unfortunately this looks like > > > > mostly an AMD64 problem: > > > > > > Is even theoretically possible to run 32 bit VST plugins in a pure 64 > > > bit environment? > > > > > > Lee > > > > Good question. Problem is I don't know if I'm truly pure 64-bit here. > > I have a pure 64-bit kernel, I think, but I also have emulation IA32 > > libraries installed which I'm pretty sure Wine is using. > > > > I'm doing apples as much as possible. Using the Crystal VST I can get > > sound using Savihost under Wine and the Alsa driver. Latency is bad, > > etc., and I want to run Jack, but I have Jack-0.100.5 installed and > > Wine doesn't seem to talk to that version of Jack. > > > > On the same machine xfst doesn't link. Notice the message: > > > > winegcc -mwindows -o xfst.exe audiomaster.o fst.o fstinfofile.o gtk.o > > jfst.o vsti.o vstwin.o `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config > > --libs jack` `pkg-config --libs alsa` -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -luuid > > ld: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf64-x86-64 > > (audiomaster.o) to format elf32-i386 (xfst.qiWLmx.o) is not supported > > > > So I suspect that when Torben gets a chance to look at this he'll find > > a way to make it work. (I hope...) > > hmm... i dont have x86-64 here. > but try > CFLAGS=-m32 make Hi Torben, It changed the message a bit but it's still not happy: winegcc -c -m32 `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` -I. -o vstwin.o vstwin.c In file included from fst.h:26, from vstwin.c:14: ./vst/AEffect.h:35: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], )' - ignored ./vst/AEffect.h:191: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without matching #pragma pack (push, ) vstwin.c: In function `fst_load': vstwin.c:514: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type winegcc -mwindows -o xfst.exe audiomaster.o fst.o fstinfofile.o gtk.o jfst.o vsti.o vstwin.o `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --libs jack` `pkg-config --libs alsa` -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -luuid /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib32/libwine.so when searching for -lwine /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lwine collect2: ld returned 1 exit status winegcc: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc failed. make: *** [xfst.exe] Error 2 mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ Thanks, Mark From torbenh at gmx.de Sun Oct 23 18:31:55 2005 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Sun Oct 23 18:13:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510231500k37f46682s83f83dc9e6f3b57d@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231123h5ed64b38nd178ce9dfcb13f87@mail.gmail.com> <1130097599.11980.54.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0510231318j4e9db7b0x1106e9b240329249@mail.gmail.com> <20051023214611.GB4896@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231500k37f46682s83f83dc9e6f3b57d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051023223155.GA5611@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 03:00:24PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 01:18:00PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On 10/23/05, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:23 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > xfst IS fst. i just removed the hacky stuff. > > > > > > i removed the debug stuff from the makefile and it still works with my > > > > > > wine version. > > > > > > > > > > > > Wine 20050111 > > > > > > > > > > > > i uploaded to > > > > > > http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.4.tar.gz > > > > > > > > > > > > please report back. > > > > > > > > > > Hi Torben, > > > > > 0.4 gets farther but still has problems for me. I commented out two > > > > > functions in aeffectx.h to get this far. Unfortunately this looks like > > > > > mostly an AMD64 problem: > > > > > > > > Is even theoretically possible to run 32 bit VST plugins in a pure 64 > > > > bit environment? > > > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > Good question. Problem is I don't know if I'm truly pure 64-bit here. > > > I have a pure 64-bit kernel, I think, but I also have emulation IA32 > > > libraries installed which I'm pretty sure Wine is using. > > > > > > I'm doing apples as much as possible. Using the Crystal VST I can get > > > sound using Savihost under Wine and the Alsa driver. Latency is bad, > > > etc., and I want to run Jack, but I have Jack-0.100.5 installed and > > > Wine doesn't seem to talk to that version of Jack. > > > > > > On the same machine xfst doesn't link. Notice the message: > > > > > > winegcc -mwindows -o xfst.exe audiomaster.o fst.o fstinfofile.o gtk.o > > > jfst.o vsti.o vstwin.o `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config > > > --libs jack` `pkg-config --libs alsa` -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -luuid > > > ld: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf64-x86-64 > > > (audiomaster.o) to format elf32-i386 (xfst.qiWLmx.o) is not supported > > > > > > So I suspect that when Torben gets a chance to look at this he'll find > > > a way to make it work. (I hope...) > > > > hmm... i dont have x86-64 here. > > but try > > CFLAGS=-m32 make > > Hi Torben, > It changed the message a bit but it's still not happy: > > winegcc -c -m32 `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags > jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` -I. -o vstwin.o vstwin.c > In file included from fst.h:26, > from vstwin.c:14: > ./vst/AEffect.h:35: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], )' - ignored > ./vst/AEffect.h:191: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without > matching #pragma pack (push, ) > vstwin.c: In function `fst_load': > vstwin.c:514: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type > winegcc -mwindows -o xfst.exe audiomaster.o fst.o fstinfofile.o gtk.o > jfst.o vsti.o vstwin.o `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config > --libs jack` `pkg-config --libs alsa` -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -luuid > /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: > skipping incompatible /usr/lib32/libwine.so when searching for -lwine > /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: > cannot find -lwine > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > winegcc: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc failed. > make: *** [xfst.exe] Error 2 > mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ hmmm... try to give the link call -m32 also... bedtime.... > > Thanks, > Mark > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sun Oct 23 10:13:04 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun Oct 23 18:14:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Mantis down? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510231431l3c6cbe1fkace019011dfbb65e@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0510231345s45b6891at38ac7cbe1972d8f8@mail.gmail.com> <200510231315.06859.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0510231431l3c6cbe1fkace019011dfbb65e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200510231413.04485.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 23 October 2005 21:31, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/23/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > On Sunday 23 October 2005 20:45, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I wonder if anyone gets through to the Alsa bug reporting system? > > > I've not managed for a couple of days now. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Mark > > > > Hi Mark. Lee was saying he'd had the same problem, but someone who'd > > posted to him had been able to post a bug report, so I don;t quite know > > whats going on. Nigel > > OK, thanks. > > BTW Nigel. It seems that your system clock always tells me messages > were sent 8 hours ago. Is that set up correctly on the system you are > emailing from? I don't see this with mail from other folks. > > Cheers, > Mark Hi Mark. Regarding the system clock. I think it's got a mind of it's own, as I've only in the last week replaced the cmos battery. I'll reset it and keep an eye on the time. Thanks. Nigel. From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Sun Oct 23 18:24:22 2005 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Sun Oct 23 18:23:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <200510232358.17456.ce@christeck.de> References: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> <200510232358.17456.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1130106262.7258.49.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 23:58 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > The Sineshaper synth comes with some presets that you can play or use > > as starting points for your own synth settings. You can not change > > these "factory presets", but you can create and save your own > > presets. They are written to the file .sineshaperpresets in your home > > directory. If you make any nice presets I would really like to hear > > them. > > no it built fine and I had the occasion to play a bit with it. > > Some comments, if you're interested: > > * The presets don't show up for any reason Yes, some people on the #lad channel had this problem too. I fixed the bug and uploaded a new tarball (0.4.1, it's available on the same webpage now). A way to avoid it with 0.4.0 would be to run './configure --with-dssi-dir=/usr/local/lib/dssi/' (or any other directory where you want to install it, the / at the end is the important part) and then 'make clean' and 'make install'. > * If the default settings could be adjusted, it would give a more > immediate start: > ** Decrease Gain (! ;-) > ** Decrease Delay > ** Decrease amp release time I'll look into this. Default port values are a bit tricky with LADSPA (and DSSI) plugins, to set an exact value I think you need to use an RDF file (which some hosts don't support). Most DSSI hosts will select the first available program when starting the plugin though, and with the above fix the programs should actually be loaded, so that might give you the somewhat nicer default settings of "Factory preset 0". > * I noticed that parameter changes take a long time until these take > effect. Even moving the pitch bend wheel did last some milliseconds > until it was audible. Same when playing with the UI controls Most of the parameters have an internal slew limiter to prevent clicks and pops that could be generated if the parameters were changed too fast. This slew limiter might need some tuning, I'm really bad at hearing latency. I'll try to make it a bit faster. The pitch bend is a special case - I just discovered a rather embarrassing bug. The fundamental frequency will _never_ change faster than the portamento time allows, so if you move the pitch wheel fast the frequency will lag behind. This is an easy fix though. > * Can it be switched to be polyphonic? Not without some more code. I haven't really planned a polyphonic version, but I might make one at some point in the future. Thank you for your bug reports and comments! -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Sun Oct 23 18:49:31 2005 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Sun Oct 23 18:48:26 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <1130106262.7258.49.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> References: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> <200510232358.17456.ce@christeck.de> <1130106262.7258.49.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <1130107772.7258.50.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 00:24 +0200, Lars Luthman wrote: > The pitch bend is a special case - I just discovered a rather > embarrassing bug. The fundamental frequency will _never_ change faster > than the portamento time allows... Except on Note On events of course, otherwise I would have found this bug much earlier. -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051024/08a37f84/attachment.bin From bhare at verizon.net Sun Oct 23 20:23:42 2005 From: bhare at verizon.net (Bradley A. Hare) Date: Sun Oct 23 20:23:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol FA-66 Working Setup Message-ID: <435C298E.6020209@verizon.net> Just a short node for those having problems - I j just got an Edirol FA-66 working at 48 kHz with Ardour. So far I've only tested two channel recording, but I have not seen a glitch (xrun) for ~10 minutes of test time. Now that the hardware is working I need to get on to some "real" projects. I will post if I notice anything. Here are the details 1G PIII, ASUS TUV-4X MB 1.5G ram 66 mhz IDE Belkin F5U503 Firewire (TI Chipset) Linux 2.6.12.5 (slackware 10.1, stock kernel - no patches ) For the kernel config: CONFIG_IEEE1394_PCILYNX=y CONFIG_IEEE1394_OHCI1394=y CONFIG_IEEE1394_VIDEO1394=y CONFIG_IEEE1394_SBP2=y CONFIG_IEEE1394_SBP2_PHYS_DMA=y # CONFIG_IEEE1394_ETH1394 is not set CONFIG_IEEE1394_DV1394=y CONFIG_IEEE1394_RAWIO=y # CONFIG_IEEE1394_CMP is not set DO NOT Enable IEC61883-1 Plug support, this gave me fits with an "all of the plugs are offline" error from the jack back end. For the libs: It is very important that you use all of the right libs, here is what I have. libavc1394 0.5.0 Later versions will not work ! libraw1394 1.2.0 release version ( http://www.linux1394.org/ ) libiec61883 1.0.0 release version ( same source) liblo-0.18P Must be the version from https://sourceforge.net/projects/freebob/ ieee1394 Kernel Version I initially screwed up and installed libavc 0.5.1 and got nothing from the freebob daemon. Right now linux1394.org seems to be down more often than it is up. There have been mirrors for the key drivers. Google, or check the freebob-devel mailing list archives. The freebob drivers are the release versions on sourceforge (freebob-prealpha-2). You will not find the 61883 back end for jack anywhere else. I am using jackd 0.100.0 from the freebob sourceforge download page (https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=117802 ). Before starting jack, setting LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.19 might help. Also, make sure you have all the usual system configuration done for jack (see the jack home page). I run with: $ freebob to start - you should see it reading out the capabilities of the interface. then: jackd -d iec61883 -o osc.udp://localhost:31000 -p 512 -b 500 -s 0 -i 8 -t 16 -r 8192 I am starting freebob in one xterm and jackd in another, you should see them talking if everything is trying to work. Most of this I gleaned from the archive of freebob-devel at: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=freebob-devel&r=1&w=2 I have not been able to kill jack without hanging the IEEE1394 interface. Running jack after a kill always results in the following error: DRIVER NT: could not start driver Rebooting seems to be the only way to clear the interface. Regards to All, Brad Hare From james at dis-dot-dat.net Mon Oct 24 07:44:32 2005 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Mon Oct 24 07:34:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music Message-ID: <20051024114432.GA10207@phlunky.Belkin> http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2005/10/more-music.html I found some time over the weekend to squeeze in some music-making. I've been so busy lately, that it's been a month since I sat down just to play. I'm sure I've been missing good stuff on the board, too. James -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From riwright at vt.edu Mon Oct 24 11:24:05 2005 From: riwright at vt.edu (Rick Wright) Date: Mon Oct 24 11:24:11 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] multiple simultaneous instances of xmms (or other graphical app) w/JACK? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510231318j4e9db7b0x1106e9b240329249@mail.gmail.com> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231123h5ed64b38nd178ce9dfcb13f87@mail.gmail.com> <1130097599.11980.54.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0510231318j4e9db7b0x1106e9b240329249@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <435CFC95.6000703@vt.edu> Hi all, I would like to simultaneously play 2 audio files and mix their output via JACK. I want a JACK solution because I also have BruteFIR in the workflow. I can play a single instance of xmms through JACK without problem and I can open multiple instances of xmms without problem - once enabling that option. Here's the hitch: when I try to play audio files with the two xmms instances, the first works fine, but the second gives an error complaining that it can't open the output device and to check that another program isn't blocking it. I'm using xmms-jack-0.14 as the output from xmms into JACK, but it doesn't seem to handle multiple instances. Am I correct and is there a workaround? Is there another/better (lightweight w/GUI) jack-aware audio player that I could use instead of/in addition to xmms? I'm primarily playing .mp3 & .wav audio files. Distro is a fairly stock FC4 (with FC4 kernel slightly massaged & rebuilt to use realtime-lsm module) JACK 0.100.6 QJackCtl 0.2.18 Thanks in advance, Rick From ce at christeck.de Mon Oct 24 12:01:38 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Oct 24 11:55:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol FA-66 Working Setup In-Reply-To: <435C298E.6020209@verizon.net> References: <435C298E.6020209@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200510241801.38890.ce@christeck.de> Hi, > So far I've only tested two channel recording, but I > have not seen a glitch (xrun) for ~10 minutes of test > time. ?Now that the hardware is working I need to > get on to some "real" projects. ?I will post if > I notice anything. thanks a bunch for the info! Best regards ce From bhare at verizon.net Mon Oct 24 12:36:19 2005 From: bhare at verizon.net (Bradley A. Hare) Date: Mon Oct 24 12:36:23 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol FA-66 Working Setup Message-ID: <435D0D83.9030601@verizon.net> I plan on doing some torture tests over the next few days. So far I have not spent any time on latency etc, I'm just happy to have things going in and out. From what I've seen so far I believe the current drivers may be quite usable for simple tasks (stereo recording). That would be enough to keep me busy while the freebob devel guys are finishing off the real thing. Regards, Brad Hare From ce at christeck.de Mon Oct 24 13:05:06 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Oct 24 12:59:04 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol FA-66 Working Setup In-Reply-To: <435D0D83.9030601@verizon.net> References: <435D0D83.9030601@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200510241905.06920.ce@christeck.de> Hi, > I plan on doing some torture tests over the next > few days. ?So far I have not spent any time on > latency etc, I'm just happy to have things going > in and out. there was a talk at LAC 2005; AFAIR the latency was 50msecs this time. I don't know if it is less these days. > From what I've seen so far I believe > the current drivers may be quite usable for simple tasks > (stereo recording). ?That would be enough to keep me > busy while the freebob devel guys are finishing off > the real thing. Are they already working on a true ALSA driver? Best regards ce From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Oct 24 12:14:04 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Oct 24 13:09:02 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] multiple simultaneous instances of xmms (or other graphical app) w/JACK? In-Reply-To: <435CFC95.6000703@vt.edu> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <200510230053.44479.Martin.Wohlleben@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231123h5ed64b38nd178ce9dfcb13f87@mail.gmail.com> <1130097599.11980.54.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0510231318j4e9db7b0x1106e9b240329249@mail.gmail.com> <435CFC95.6000703@vt.edu> Message-ID: <1130170444.16563.22.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 11:24 -0400, Rick Wright wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to simultaneously play 2 audio files and mix their output > via JACK. I want a JACK solution because I also have BruteFIR in the > workflow. I can play a single instance of xmms through JACK without > problem and I can open multiple instances of xmms without problem - once > enabling that option. Here's the hitch: when I try to play audio files > with the two xmms instances, the first works fine, but the second gives > an error complaining that it can't open the output device and to check > that another program isn't blocking it. This is an XMMS bug. Please report it to the XMMS developers. Lee From alessi at roar.music.columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 13:20:03 2005 From: alessi at roar.music.columbia.edu (Marcus Alessi Bittencourt) Date: Mon Oct 24 13:20:05 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] multiple simultaneous instances of xmms (or other graphical app) w/JACK? In-Reply-To: <1130170444.16563.22.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: > On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 11:24 -0400, Rick Wright wrote: > > Hi all, > > I would like to simultaneously play 2 audio files and mix their output > > via JACK. I want a JACK solution because I also have BruteFIR in the > > workflow. I can play a single instance of xmms through JACK without > > problem and I can open multiple instances of xmms without problem - once > > enabling that option. Here's the hitch: when I try to play audio files > > with the two xmms instances, the first works fine, but the second gives > > an error complaining that it can't open the output device and to check > > that another program isn't blocking it. Did you try running xmms in oss mode but through jacklaunch? That works fine for me. You can also play the file with a PureData object. MB From bhare at verizon.net Mon Oct 24 13:32:13 2005 From: bhare at verizon.net (Bradley A. Hare) Date: Mon Oct 24 13:32:17 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol FA-66 Working Setup Message-ID: <435D1A9D.7070003@verizon.net> My apologies for the accidental cross post to dev, I hit the wrong address. ce wrote: >there was a talk at LAC 2005; AFAIR the latency was 50msecs this time. >I don't know if it is less these days. I believe I am at 10 msec. now - have not pushed it further yet. >are they already working on a true ALSA driver? I believe they are. There is a dev. road map on the sourceforge page. Regards, Brad Hare From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 13:34:37 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Oct 24 13:34:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] multiple simultaneous instances of xmms (or other graphical app) w/JACK? In-Reply-To: <435CFC95.6000703@vt.edu> References: <434E7646.3000507@poeticstudios.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231123h5ed64b38nd178ce9dfcb13f87@mail.gmail.com> <1130097599.11980.54.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0510231318j4e9db7b0x1106e9b240329249@mail.gmail.com> <435CFC95.6000703@vt.edu> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510241034j5a831b72wab27b1bd6a1b3667@mail.gmail.com> On 10/24/05, Rick Wright wrote: > Is there another/better (lightweight w/GUI) jack-aware > audio player that I could use instead of/in addition to xmms? I'm > primarily playing .mp3 & .wav audio files. > alsaplayer will do this. - Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 14:22:36 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Oct 24 14:22:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digital audio files for hardware verification Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510241122i4cafeb9fhd586d9ea12fb5739@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I'm being really lazy here and looking for some ideas on how to do a couple of things easily. I really don't want to spend much time on there. Thanks in advance. 1) Assume I have an existing wave file (mono or stereo) and want to convert it to text. I'd like each sample written in 8/16/24-bit hex to its own line in the file. Any easy way to do it? 2) Assume I've chosen a sample rate and bit-depth. Now want to generate a hex file with sine wave data, again with each sample written to its own line. Any easy way to do it? Thanks, Mark From hanaghan at starband.net Mon Oct 24 14:46:02 2005 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Mon Oct 24 14:40:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510231500k37f46682s83f83dc9e6f3b57d@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231123h5ed64b38nd178ce9dfcb13f87@mail.gmail.com> <1130097599.11980.54.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0510231318j4e9db7b0x1106e9b240329249@mail.gmail.com> <20051023214611.GB4896@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231500k37f46682s83f83dc9e6f3b57d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <435D2BEA.4000101@starband.net> Mark Knecht wrote: >On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > >>On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 01:18:00PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> >>>On 10/23/05, Lee Revell wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:23 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>xfst IS fst. i just removed the hacky stuff. >>>>>>i removed the debug stuff from the makefile and it still works with my >>>>>>wine version. >>>>>> >>>>>>Wine 20050111 >>>>>> >>>>>>i uploaded to >>>>>>http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.4.tar.gz >>>>>> >>>>>>please report back. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Hi Torben, >>>>> 0.4 gets farther but still has problems for me. I commented out two >>>>>functions in aeffectx.h to get this far. Unfortunately this looks like >>>>>mostly an AMD64 problem: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Is even theoretically possible to run 32 bit VST plugins in a pure 64 >>>>bit environment? >>>> >>>>Lee >>>> >>>> >>>Good question. Problem is I don't know if I'm truly pure 64-bit here. >>>I have a pure 64-bit kernel, I think, but I also have emulation IA32 >>>libraries installed which I'm pretty sure Wine is using. >>> >>>I'm doing apples as much as possible. Using the Crystal VST I can get >>>sound using Savihost under Wine and the Alsa driver. Latency is bad, >>>etc., and I want to run Jack, but I have Jack-0.100.5 installed and >>>Wine doesn't seem to talk to that version of Jack. >>> >>>On the same machine xfst doesn't link. Notice the message: >>> >>>winegcc -mwindows -o xfst.exe audiomaster.o fst.o fstinfofile.o gtk.o >>>jfst.o vsti.o vstwin.o `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config >>>--libs jack` `pkg-config --libs alsa` -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -luuid >>>ld: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf64-x86-64 >>>(audiomaster.o) to format elf32-i386 (xfst.qiWLmx.o) is not supported >>> >>>So I suspect that when Torben gets a chance to look at this he'll find >>>a way to make it work. (I hope...) >>> >>> >>hmm... i dont have x86-64 here. >>but try >>CFLAGS=-m32 make >> >> > >Hi Torben, > It changed the message a bit but it's still not happy: > >winegcc -c -m32 `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags >jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` -I. -o vstwin.o vstwin.c >In file included from fst.h:26, > from vstwin.c:14: >./vst/AEffect.h:35: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], )' - ignored >./vst/AEffect.h:191: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without >matching #pragma pack (push, ) >vstwin.c: In function `fst_load': >vstwin.c:514: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type >winegcc -mwindows -o xfst.exe audiomaster.o fst.o fstinfofile.o gtk.o >jfst.o vsti.o vstwin.o `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config >--libs jack` `pkg-config --libs alsa` -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -luuid >/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: >skipping incompatible /usr/lib32/libwine.so when searching for -lwine >/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: >cannot find -lwine >collect2: ld returned 1 exit status >winegcc: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc failed. >make: *** [xfst.exe] Error 2 >mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ > >Thanks, >Mark > > > > Mark, Perhaps we can ask Thac what "magic" he did to get this to compile; I have just updated to his recent build of Xfst on Wine 20050930 and it works like a trooper on my 64 bit box and an old SBlive 5.1. It runs all my regular suite of Vst's and they are operational with no obvious GUI bugs. Mind you, I have not put them through the paces on any recording but they do fire up and work. Russell From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Oct 24 15:11:42 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Oct 24 15:09:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digital audio files for hardware verification In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510241122i4cafeb9fhd586d9ea12fb5739@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0510241122i4cafeb9fhd586d9ea12fb5739@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1130181102.4563.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 11:22 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi, > I'm being really lazy here and looking for some ideas on how to do > a couple of things easily. I really don't want to spend much time on > there. Thanks in advance. > > 1) Assume I have an existing wave file (mono or stereo) and want to > convert it to text. I'd like each sample written in 8/16/24-bit hex to > its own line in the file. Any easy way to do it? sox will do this, if you use the .dat output file type. sox something.wav something.dat not sure how to extract just 1 channel from a stereo file, i would probably run the output through perl or something afterwards. can't think of an easy way to do #2. From tobbe at nyvalls.se Mon Oct 24 17:24:31 2005 From: tobbe at nyvalls.se (tobbe@nyvalls.se) Date: Mon Oct 24 17:25:27 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <435D2BEA.4000101@starband.net> References: <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231123h5ed64b38nd178ce9dfcb13f87@mail.gmail.com> <1130097599.11980.54.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0510231318j4e9db7b0x1106e9b240329249@mail.gmail.com> <20051023214611.GB4896@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231500k37f46682s83f83dc9e6f3b57d@mail.gmail.com> <435D2BEA.4000101@starband.net> Message-ID: <435D510F.6060708@nyvalls.se> Russell Hanaghan skrev: > Mark Knecht wrote: > >> On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: >> >> >>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 01:18:00PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 10/23/05, Lee Revell wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:23 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> xfst IS fst. i just removed the hacky stuff. >>>>>>> i removed the debug stuff from the makefile and it still works >>>>>>> with my >>>>>>> wine version. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wine 20050111 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i uploaded to >>>>>>> http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.4.tar.gz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> please report back. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Torben, >>>>>> 0.4 gets farther but still has problems for me. I commented out >>>>>> two >>>>>> functions in aeffectx.h to get this far. Unfortunately this looks >>>>>> like >>>>>> mostly an AMD64 problem: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is even theoretically possible to run 32 bit VST plugins in a pure 64 >>>>> bit environment? >>>>> >>>>> Lee >>>>> >>>> >>>> Good question. Problem is I don't know if I'm truly pure 64-bit here. >>>> I have a pure 64-bit kernel, I think, but I also have emulation IA32 >>>> libraries installed which I'm pretty sure Wine is using. >>>> >>>> I'm doing apples as much as possible. Using the Crystal VST I can get >>>> sound using Savihost under Wine and the Alsa driver. Latency is bad, >>>> etc., and I want to run Jack, but I have Jack-0.100.5 installed and >>>> Wine doesn't seem to talk to that version of Jack. >>>> >>>> On the same machine xfst doesn't link. Notice the message: >>>> >>>> winegcc -mwindows -o xfst.exe audiomaster.o fst.o fstinfofile.o gtk.o >>>> jfst.o vsti.o vstwin.o `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config >>>> --libs jack` `pkg-config --libs alsa` -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -luuid >>>> ld: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf64-x86-64 >>>> (audiomaster.o) to format elf32-i386 (xfst.qiWLmx.o) is not supported >>>> >>>> So I suspect that when Torben gets a chance to look at this he'll find >>>> a way to make it work. (I hope...) >>>> >>> >>> hmm... i dont have x86-64 here. >>> but try >>> CFLAGS=-m32 make >>> >> >> >> Hi Torben, >> It changed the message a bit but it's still not happy: >> >> winegcc -c -m32 `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags >> jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` -I. -o vstwin.o vstwin.c >> In file included from fst.h:26, >> from vstwin.c:14: >> ./vst/AEffect.h:35: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], >> )' - ignored >> ./vst/AEffect.h:191: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without >> matching #pragma pack (push, ) >> vstwin.c: In function `fst_load': >> vstwin.c:514: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type >> winegcc -mwindows -o xfst.exe audiomaster.o fst.o fstinfofile.o gtk.o >> jfst.o vsti.o vstwin.o `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config >> --libs jack` `pkg-config --libs alsa` -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -luuid >> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: >> >> skipping incompatible /usr/lib32/libwine.so when searching for -lwine >> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: >> >> cannot find -lwine >> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status >> winegcc: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc failed. >> make: *** [xfst.exe] Error 2 >> mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ >> >> Thanks, >> Mark >> >> >> >> > Mark, > > Perhaps we can ask Thac what "magic" he did to get this to compile; I > have just updated to his recent build of Xfst on Wine 20050930 and it > works like a trooper on my 64 bit box and an old SBlive 5.1. It runs > all my regular suite of Vst's and they are operational with no obvious > GUI bugs. Mind you, I have not put them through the paces on any > recording but they do fire up and work. > > Russell > > First of all i have built almost all critical dependencys also to ahve full control. Then there is a very straight forward spec nothing magic about that. From hanaghan at starband.net Mon Oct 24 18:11:56 2005 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Mon Oct 24 18:06:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <435D510F.6060708@nyvalls.se> References: <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231123h5ed64b38nd178ce9dfcb13f87@mail.gmail.com> <1130097599.11980.54.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0510231318j4e9db7b0x1106e9b240329249@mail.gmail.com> <20051023214611.GB4896@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231500k37f46682s83f83dc9e6f3b57d@mail.gmail.com> <435D2BEA.4000101@starband.net> <435D510F.6060708@nyvalls.se> Message-ID: <435D5C2C.7090401@starband.net> tobbe@nyvalls.se wrote: >Russell Hanaghan skrev: > > > >>Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> >> >>>On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 01:18:00PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On 10/23/05, Lee Revell wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:23 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>xfst IS fst. i just removed the hacky stuff. >>>>>>>>i removed the debug stuff from the makefile and it still works >>>>>>>>with my >>>>>>>>wine version. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Wine 20050111 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>i uploaded to >>>>>>>>http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.4.tar.gz >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>please report back. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hi Torben, >>>>>>> 0.4 gets farther but still has problems for me. I commented out >>>>>>>two >>>>>>>functions in aeffectx.h to get this far. Unfortunately this looks >>>>>>>like >>>>>>>mostly an AMD64 problem: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Is even theoretically possible to run 32 bit VST plugins in a pure 64 >>>>>>bit environment? >>>>>> >>>>>>Lee >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Good question. Problem is I don't know if I'm truly pure 64-bit here. >>>>>I have a pure 64-bit kernel, I think, but I also have emulation IA32 >>>>>libraries installed which I'm pretty sure Wine is using. >>>>> >>>>>I'm doing apples as much as possible. Using the Crystal VST I can get >>>>>sound using Savihost under Wine and the Alsa driver. Latency is bad, >>>>>etc., and I want to run Jack, but I have Jack-0.100.5 installed and >>>>>Wine doesn't seem to talk to that version of Jack. >>>>> >>>>>On the same machine xfst doesn't link. Notice the message: >>>>> >>>>>winegcc -mwindows -o xfst.exe audiomaster.o fst.o fstinfofile.o gtk.o >>>>>jfst.o vsti.o vstwin.o `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config >>>>>--libs jack` `pkg-config --libs alsa` -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -luuid >>>>>ld: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf64-x86-64 >>>>>(audiomaster.o) to format elf32-i386 (xfst.qiWLmx.o) is not supported >>>>> >>>>>So I suspect that when Torben gets a chance to look at this he'll find >>>>>a way to make it work. (I hope...) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>hmm... i dont have x86-64 here. >>>>but try >>>>CFLAGS=-m32 make >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi Torben, >>> It changed the message a bit but it's still not happy: >>> >>>winegcc -c -m32 `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags >>>jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` -I. -o vstwin.o vstwin.c >>>In file included from fst.h:26, >>> from vstwin.c:14: >>>./vst/AEffect.h:35: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], >>>)' - ignored >>>./vst/AEffect.h:191: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without >>>matching #pragma pack (push, ) >>>vstwin.c: In function `fst_load': >>>vstwin.c:514: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type >>>winegcc -mwindows -o xfst.exe audiomaster.o fst.o fstinfofile.o gtk.o >>>jfst.o vsti.o vstwin.o `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config >>>--libs jack` `pkg-config --libs alsa` -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -luuid >>>/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: >>> >>>skipping incompatible /usr/lib32/libwine.so when searching for -lwine >>>/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: >>> >>>cannot find -lwine >>>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status >>>winegcc: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc failed. >>>make: *** [xfst.exe] Error 2 >>>mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Mark, >> >>Perhaps we can ask Thac what "magic" he did to get this to compile; I >>have just updated to his recent build of Xfst on Wine 20050930 and it >>works like a trooper on my 64 bit box and an old SBlive 5.1. It runs >>all my regular suite of Vst's and they are operational with no obvious >>GUI bugs. Mind you, I have not put them through the paces on any >>recording but they do fire up and work. >> >>Russell >> >> >> >> >First of all i have built almost all critical dependencys also to ahve >full control. >Then there is a very straight forward spec nothing magic about that. > > > I wonder....aren't we using Gcc 3.4 or somehting ancient like that Thac? I noticed the subject line after sending mail. Maybe it's relevant. R~ From mis at artengine.ca Tue Oct 25 00:04:23 2005 From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta) Date: Tue Oct 25 00:04:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: sysex requests for evolution/midiman/m-audio anyone? In-Reply-To: <200510221030.53280.ce@christeck.de> References: <200510221030.53280.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <86br1ew8c8.fsf@localhost.localdomain> >From this manual: http://www.evolution.co.uk/pub/manuals/mk-425c_449c_461c_advanced_user_guide.pdf On page 13 I read: Although it is not possible to program the controllers of the MK-425C/449C/461C with your own SysEx messages, there are software applications that can receive a MIDI input signal and transmit a different, user specified message. You can program your SysEx messages into the translator software, then translate the incoming data from the keyboard to your SysEx, depending on the controller you are using. However, Page 10 says the following: The dual press MEMORY DUMP buttons will send out a number of Sys Ex data pack- ets that represent the 10 memories you have set up in your MK-449C/461C (MK-225C: Press DATA LSB and RECALL simultaneously to send out memory dump). This is useful for storing or backing up the contents of your memory presets externally. HTH ./MiS Christoph Eckert writes: > Hi, > > > I just tested the Trigger Finger (link below) by m-audio at the local > dealer's shop, and it worked immediately when I plugged it in thanks to > the snd_usb_audio module. Thanks to all devels! > > The only thing I miss is the possibility to make backups. m-audio has a > tool called Enigma (available for Mac OS and Windows) to make backups > of the settings (and even programming the device). The device itself > has no option to make it send a sysex dump of its memory contents to > the computer. > > I asked m-audio for the request string to do a backup, but I was told > that this is only possible using the Enigma software and the special > usb-audio-driver by m-audio. > > I doubt that. Can anyone provide request strings for any > evolution/midiman/m-audio products (UC33, m-audio keyboards)? If so, I > could likely derive the requests for the Trigger Finger from it. Even > Enigma (nomen est omen?) can handle a large scale of m-audio devices, > and I guess that all devices work in a similar manner internally. > > Any hint, even to a PDF doc or similar which contains sysex > documentation for any similar device would be helpful. > > > Thanks in advance, > > > ce > > > Product Link: > > http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_maudio_trigger_finger_midi_drumcontroller_prodinfo.html From tobbe at nyvalls.se Tue Oct 25 01:35:27 2005 From: tobbe at nyvalls.se (tobbe@nyvalls.se) Date: Tue Oct 25 01:36:23 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4 In-Reply-To: <435D5C2C.7090401@starband.net> References: <5bdc1c8b0510221502v28a2cbe0ybfe049be2f34e186@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221655r4d28430fr7b80f5403d8daaa4@mail.gmail.com> <435AF023.70903@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510221957s278a28a7n8ead2de1e0760cf6@mail.gmail.com> <435B74E9.20308@woh.rr.com> <20051023180312.GA4544@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231123h5ed64b38nd178ce9dfcb13f87@mail.gmail.com> <1130097599.11980.54.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0510231318j4e9db7b0x1106e9b240329249@mail.gmail.com> <20051023214611.GB4896@mobilat.informatik.uni-bremen.de> <5bdc1c8b0510231500k37f46682s83f83dc9e6f3b57d@mail.gmail.com> <435D2BEA.4000101@starband.net> <435D510F.6060708@nyvalls.se> <435D5C2C.7090401@starband.net> Message-ID: <435DC41F.8050708@nyvalls.se> Russell Hanaghan skrev: > tobbe@nyvalls.se wrote: > >> Russell Hanaghan skrev: >> >> >> >>> Mark Knecht wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 01:18:00PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 10/23/05, Lee Revell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:23 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/23/05, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> xfst IS fst. i just removed the hacky stuff. >>>>>>>>> i removed the debug stuff from the makefile and it still works >>>>>>>>> with my >>>>>>>>> wine version. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wine 20050111 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i uploaded to >>>>>>>>> http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.4.tar.gz >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> please report back. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Torben, >>>>>>>> 0.4 gets farther but still has problems for me. I commented out >>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>> functions in aeffectx.h to get this far. Unfortunately this looks >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> mostly an AMD64 problem: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is even theoretically possible to run 32 bit VST plugins in a >>>>>>> pure 64 >>>>>>> bit environment? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lee >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Good question. Problem is I don't know if I'm truly pure 64-bit >>>>>> here. >>>>>> I have a pure 64-bit kernel, I think, but I also have emulation IA32 >>>>>> libraries installed which I'm pretty sure Wine is using. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm doing apples as much as possible. Using the Crystal VST I can >>>>>> get >>>>>> sound using Savihost under Wine and the Alsa driver. Latency is bad, >>>>>> etc., and I want to run Jack, but I have Jack-0.100.5 installed and >>>>>> Wine doesn't seem to talk to that version of Jack. >>>>>> >>>>>> On the same machine xfst doesn't link. Notice the message: >>>>>> >>>>>> winegcc -mwindows -o xfst.exe audiomaster.o fst.o fstinfofile.o >>>>>> gtk.o >>>>>> jfst.o vsti.o vstwin.o `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config >>>>>> --libs jack` `pkg-config --libs alsa` -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 >>>>>> -luuid >>>>>> ld: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf64-x86-64 >>>>>> (audiomaster.o) to format elf32-i386 (xfst.qiWLmx.o) is not >>>>>> supported >>>>>> >>>>>> So I suspect that when Torben gets a chance to look at this he'll >>>>>> find >>>>>> a way to make it work. (I hope...) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> hmm... i dont have x86-64 here. >>>>> but try >>>>> CFLAGS=-m32 make >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Torben, >>>> It changed the message a bit but it's still not happy: >>>> >>>> winegcc -c -m32 `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags >>>> jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` -I. -o vstwin.o vstwin.c >>>> In file included from fst.h:26, >>>> from vstwin.c:14: >>>> ./vst/AEffect.h:35: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], >>>> )' - ignored >>>> ./vst/AEffect.h:191: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without >>>> matching #pragma pack (push, ) >>>> vstwin.c: In function `fst_load': >>>> vstwin.c:514: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type >>>> winegcc -mwindows -o xfst.exe audiomaster.o fst.o fstinfofile.o gtk.o >>>> jfst.o vsti.o vstwin.o `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config >>>> --libs jack` `pkg-config --libs alsa` -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -luuid >>>> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: >>>> >>>> >>>> skipping incompatible /usr/lib32/libwine.so when searching for -lwine >>>> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: >>>> >>>> >>>> cannot find -lwine >>>> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status >>>> winegcc: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc failed. >>>> make: *** [xfst.exe] Error 2 >>>> mark@lightning ~/CODE/xfst-0.4 $ >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Mark, >>> >>> Perhaps we can ask Thac what "magic" he did to get this to compile; I >>> have just updated to his recent build of Xfst on Wine 20050930 and it >>> works like a trooper on my 64 bit box and an old SBlive 5.1. It runs >>> all my regular suite of Vst's and they are operational with no obvious >>> GUI bugs. Mind you, I have not put them through the paces on any >>> recording but they do fire up and work. >>> >>> Russell >>> >>> >>> >> >> First of all i have built almost all critical dependencys also to ahve >> full control. >> Then there is a very straight forward spec nothing magic about that. >> >> >> > I wonder....aren't we using Gcc 3.4 or somehting ancient like that > Thac? I noticed the subject line after sending mail. Maybe it's > relevant. > > R~ > > yes but i have built it for mandriva 2006 with gcc-4.0.1 also and it works just fine. but when you look at this line skipping incompatible /usr/lib32/libwine.so when searching for -lwine /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: it is clear that the wine he is using is compiled 32bit and that he is trying to compile xfst 64bit so either he should use a 64bit wine or compile xfst 32bit From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Mon Oct 24 21:57:45 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Tue Oct 25 02:54:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> References: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <200510250357.46643.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> El Domingo, 23 de Octubre de 2005 21:40, Lars Luthman escribi?: > The Sineshaper is a monophonic DSSI synth. This is the first release. > Source tarball, screenshot and Vorbis demo are available here: > http://ll-plugins.sf.net. The knob graphics are created by Thorsten > Wilms and Peter Shorthose. Thanks, I like it's "electronika" sound, I never had a synth like this one in my hands. I installed it under Musix GNU+Linux, after installing: libglademm-2.4-dev and debian dependencies. Then I started it with ghostess, and the UI did not launched. So I installed libglademm-2.4-1c2 libglibmm-2.4-1c2 libgtkmm-2.4-1c2 libsigc++-2.0-0c2 But the GUI is still not working at all (sineshaper sounds great!) Ok, so I try with Rosegarden and then I can see the knobs from rosegarden, and it sounds too. Well, nice Synth! Marcos ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From schwarzb at ipms.fraunhofer.de Tue Oct 25 03:49:06 2005 From: schwarzb at ipms.fraunhofer.de (Markus Schwarzenberg) Date: Tue Oct 25 03:49:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digital audio files for hardware verification In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510241122i4cafeb9fhd586d9ea12fb5739@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0510241122i4cafeb9fhd586d9ea12fb5739@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051025094906.000076c4@suni2> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:22:36 -0700 Mark Knecht wrote: > 2) Assume I've chosen a sample rate and bit-depth. Now want to > generate a hex file with sine wave data, again with each sample > written to its own line. Any easy way to do it? awk is your friend (at least, mine ;-), put the following command in a single line: gawk -vt=1 -vf=2 -vr=220 -vd=6 'BEGIN{z=lshift(1,d-1);w=(d-1)/4+1;for(i=0;i<=r*t;i++)printf("0x%0*x\n",w,z+0.5+(z-1)*sin((f/r)*i*2*3.1415926));exit}' > outfile.dat Arguments (-vVARIABLE=...) VARIABLEs: t ... total time to generate/seconds f ... frequency/Hz r ... sample rate/Hz d ... depth/bit Output has an offset of 1<<(depth - 1). -- Markus Schwarzenberg From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Tue Oct 25 07:10:38 2005 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Tue Oct 25 07:09:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <200510250357.46643.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> References: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> <200510250357.46643.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <1130238638.8115.8.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 03:57 +0200, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > El Domingo, 23 de Octubre de 2005 21:40, Lars Luthman escribi?: > > The Sineshaper is a monophonic DSSI synth. This is the first release. > > Source tarball, screenshot and Vorbis demo are available here: > > http://ll-plugins.sf.net. The knob graphics are created by Thorsten > > Wilms and Peter Shorthose. > > Thanks, I like it's "electronika" sound, I never had a synth like this one in > my hands. > > I installed it under Musix GNU+Linux, after installing: libglademm-2.4-dev and > debian dependencies. > > Then I started it with ghostess, and the UI did not launched. So I installed > > libglademm-2.4-1c2 libglibmm-2.4-1c2 libgtkmm-2.4-1c2 libsigc++-2.0-0c2 > > But the GUI is still not working at all (sineshaper sounds great!) > > Ok, so I try with Rosegarden and then I can see the knobs from rosegarden, and > it sounds too. No GUI? That's not good. Do you see the native Sineshaper GUI in Rosegarden, or just Rosegarden's generic DSSI GUI? Did you get a core dump or any error messages when the GUI wouldn't show up in Ghostess? Did the GUI actually get installed OK (do you have a program called /usr/local/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk and a Glade file at /usr/local/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper.glade [or if you installed it in another directory, do you have those files there?]) ? -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051025/097ea237/attachment.bin From notmyprivateemail at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 07:57:53 2005 From: notmyprivateemail at gmail.com (Alex Polite) Date: Tue Oct 25 07:57:58 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Whatever happend to the alsa config file? Message-ID: Last time I checked my distro (Debian) had a separate configuration file for alsa. Now this seems to be gone and alsacon just generates a file that specifies which kernel modules should be loaded. So under the present debian alsa more or less "just works", without the clueless user (me) doing anything. My problem is that I want to add a USB audio interface and there's no config file for me to edit. Rerunning alsaconf doesn't make a difference. alex -- Alex Polite http://flosspick.org - finding the right open source From notmyprivateemail at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 08:17:02 2005 From: notmyprivateemail at gmail.com (Alex Polite) Date: Tue Oct 25 08:17:04 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] USB soundcard to replace minidisc In-Reply-To: <20051022080927.GI20511@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20051022080927.GI20511@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: On 10/22/05, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Alex Polite hat gesagt: // Alex Polite wrote: > > Most USB1 soundcards also work with Linux using the standard drivers. > Some care has to be taken with M-Audio cards, many of these are not > well supported. But if you go with Edirol or Terratec or so, not much > can go wrong (except trying to use the OSS driver at the same time as > the ALSA driver because usbaudio isn't blacklisted in > /etc/hotplug/blacklist). > > No one here can do the market reseach for you, so I'd recommend you > look through some online shops and find devices, whose feature set > matches what you want to have, then come back and ask if someone can > comment on these devices. A good place to share experiences is the USB > devices list at www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ > Thanks. Did some more research and ordered the SB Live! USB thingy. I think it will be sufficient for my needs. alex -- Alex Polite http://flosspick.org - finding the right open source From jody.noury at linucie.net Tue Oct 25 08:37:38 2005 From: jody.noury at linucie.net (Jody Noury) Date: Tue Oct 25 08:31:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Yamaha M7CL Message-ID: <435E2712.7000903@linucie.net> Hi all, Can someone use this console with Linux ? Thanks in advance, Jody From b0ef at esben-stien.name Tue Oct 25 10:53:55 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Tue Oct 25 08:57:44 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Whatever happend to the alsa config file? In-Reply-To: (Alex Polite's message of "Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:57:53 +0200") References: Message-ID: <87hdb5bqbg.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Alex Polite writes: > a separate configuration file for alsa If you want to define your own override, you can just create the /etc/asound.conf file. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From notmyprivateemail at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 09:44:48 2005 From: notmyprivateemail at gmail.com (Alex Polite) Date: Tue Oct 25 09:44:54 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Whatever happend to the alsa config file? In-Reply-To: <87hdb5bqbg.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <87hdb5bqbg.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: On 10/25/05, Esben Stien wrote: > If you want to define your own override, you can just create the > /etc/asound.conf file. Thanks. What I want to do is have have all my applications use the internal sound card as default, and use the USB sound card whenever it is plugged in. I guess one way of doing that would be with hotplug? When the USB sound card is inserted I run a script that 1) symlinks /etc/asound.conf to /etc/asound.conf_usb 2) restarts alsa And when the USB sound card is removed I run a script that 1) symlinks /etc/asound.conf to /etc/asound.conf_internal 2) restarts alsa How does that sound for a plan? alex -- Alex Polite http://flosspick.org - finding the right open source From clemens at ladisch.de Tue Oct 25 09:53:02 2005 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue Oct 25 09:53:10 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Yamaha M7CL In-Reply-To: <435E2712.7000903@linucie.net> Message-ID: Jody Noury wrote: > Can someone use this console with Linux ? Yamaha's web site says the editor software requires Windows. Otherwise, this device doesn't seem to have any OS-specific parts. Regards, Clemens From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 09:54:47 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Oct 25 09:54:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digital audio files for hardware verification In-Reply-To: <20051025094906.000076c4@suni2> References: <5bdc1c8b0510241122i4cafeb9fhd586d9ea12fb5739@mail.gmail.com> <20051025094906.000076c4@suni2> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510250654k23c8c169pf613ab1613ff3333@mail.gmail.com> On 10/25/05, Markus Schwarzenberg wrote: > On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:22:36 -0700 Mark Knecht > wrote: > > > > 2) Assume I've chosen a sample rate and bit-depth. Now want to > > generate a hex file with sine wave data, again with each sample > > written to its own line. Any easy way to do it? > > awk is your friend (at least, mine ;-), put the following command > in a single line: > > gawk -vt=1 -vf=2 -vr=220 -vd=6 'BEGIN{z=lshift(1,d-1);w=(d-1)/4+1;for(i=0;i<=r*t;i++)printf("0x%0*x\n",w,z+0.5+(z-1)*sin((f/r)*i*2*3.1415926));exit}' > outfile.dat > > Arguments (-vVARIABLE=...) > VARIABLEs: t ... total time to generate/seconds > f ... frequency/Hz > r ... sample rate/Hz > d ... depth/bit > > Output has an offset of 1<<(depth - 1). > > -- > Markus Schwarzenberg Very cool Markus. Thanks. This is a great example of what Unix can do at the command line. Thanks very much, Mark From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Oct 24 10:47:19 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue Oct 25 10:58:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Whatever happend to the alsa config file? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200510241447.19498.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Tuesday 25 October 2005 11:57, Alex Polite wrote: > Last time I checked my distro (Debian) had a separate configuration > file for alsa. Now this seems to be gone and alsacon just generates a > file that specifies which kernel modules should be loaded. So under > the present debian alsa more or less "just works", without the > clueless user (me) doing anything. > > My problem is that I want to add a USB audio interface and there's no > config file for me to edit. Rerunning alsaconf doesn't make a > difference. > > alex > > -- > Alex Polite > http://flosspick.org - finding the right open source Hi Alex. You don't say what Debian version you're using, but my 3 Debian installs were initially, Debian 3.0r2 (Woody) which I upgraded online to Sarge from the testing repo. (Sarge was testing at that time). One of my installs is now still on the testing repo, so is gradually upgrading to Etch. Looking at one of the Sarge installs, now on stable repo, I see no problems with card details in /etc/modutils/sound . It looks like this at the moment. alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1 (Audigy2 soundblaster card) options snd-emu10k1 index=0 alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio options snd-usb-audio index=1 The last two lines I added, as my usb-midi-keyboard was being detected as a sound card. (usb is picked up very early in the boot process) Just run update-modules after making the additions, and they are still there. You probably are aware of this, but running update-modules after making additions to /etc/modutils, updates the file /etc/modules.conf . I've just booted up the Debian/Etch install, and that too shows no missing files. Incidentally all my Distros running music apps, run on the same machine. Unless you're on Debian Sid (sailing close to the wind) and some update has removed files. I don't have Sid so could not help if that's what you're using. What does cat /proc/asound/cards show as to detected soundcards? Does it show you're usb one as being detected. All the best. Nigel. From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Oct 24 11:50:59 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue Oct 25 12:02:09 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music apps being removed with Sarge/Etch updates Message-ID: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Hi. The latest updates on my Debian Sarge/Etch (on the testing repo) are wanting to remove. Cheesetracker (libsigc++ deps) , Wavemixer, and Seq24. Now I use, or more precisely, am trying to use Cheesetracker, so don't want to lose it. All the upgrades appear to be coming from. deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main I tried putting this Debian Sarge/Etch install onto the security testing repo, but it don't want to play. I still have two basic Sarge installs, also on the same security repo, but aptitude dist-upgrade is only doing minimal upgrades, and certainly not wanting to remove apps. The ouput of aptitude dist-upgrade is below, (also tried aptitude upgrade, as sometimes they differ) . Any comments would be welcome. Nigel. Reading task descriptions... Done Get:1 http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/main Packages [130kB] Hit http://http.us.debian.org testing/main Packages Hit http://http.us.debian.org testing/main Release Hit http://http.us.debian.org testing/contrib Packages Hit http://http.us.debian.org testing/contrib Release Hit http://http.us.debian.org testing/non-free Packages Hit http://http.us.debian.org testing/non-free Release Get:2 http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/main Release [110B] Fetched 130kB in 31s (4172B/s) Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done Reading task descriptions... Done debian:/home/djmons# aptitude dist-upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done Reading task descriptions... Done The following NEW packages will be automatically installed: ca-certificates libaspell15c2 libedit2 libgksuui1.0-1 libgtkspell0 libnautilus-burn1 libsigc++-1.2-5c2 libssl0.9.8 openssh-client openssh-server python-gnome2-extras python2.3-gnome2-extras The following packages will be automatically REMOVED: cheesetracker libgksuui1.0-0 libgtkmm2.0-1c102 libsigc++-1.2-5c102 seq24 wavemixer The following packages have been kept back: cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client cupsys-driver-gimpprint foomatic-db foomatic-db-engine foomatic-db-hpijs foomatic-filters foomatic-gui gimp-help-common gimp-help-en hpijs libcupsimage2 python-foomatic python-glade2 python-gnome2 python-gtk2 python2.3-glade2 python2.3-gtk2 python2.3-pyorbit x-window-system-core The following NEW packages will be installed: ca-certificates libaspell15c2 libedit2 libgksuui1.0-1 libgtkspell0 libnautilus-burn1 libsigc++-1.2-5c2 libssl0.9.8 openssh-client openssh-server python-gnome2-extras python2.3-gnome2-extras The following packages will be REMOVED: cheesetracker libgksuui1.0-0 libgtkmm2.0-1c102 libsigc++-1.2-5c102 seq24 wavemixer The following packages will be upgraded: apt apt-utils aptitude bash bind9-host bsdgames bsdutils console-common console-tools cpp cxref debianutils desktop-base dnsutils edict fdutils fftw3 finger fingerd freeglut3 g++ gcc gksu gnome-session gnome-utils info language-env libacl1 libattr1 libbind9-0 libconsole libcurl3 libdns20 libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-data libglib2.0-dev libgpgme11 libgtk1.2 libgtk1.2-common libhtml-parser-perl libhtml-tree-perl libisc9 libisccc0 libisccfg1 liblwres1 libnautilus-extension1 libnews-nntpclient-perl libnspr4 libnss3 liboaf0 liboil0.3 liborbit2 libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-common libpcap0.8 libpcre3 libpcre3-dev libperl5.8 libpisock8 libsensors3 libsigc++-1.2-dev libssl-dev libssl0.9.7 libtext-charwidth-perl libtext-iconv-perl libtext-wrapi18n-perl libtiff-tools libtiff4 libusb-0.1-4 libvte-common libvte4 lm-sensors-2.4.27-2-386 login menu module-init-tools mount mozilla mozilla-browser mozilla-mailnews mozilla-psm nautilus nautilus-data nmap oaf openssl passwd perl perl-base perl-modules portmap python-extclass python2.3-extclass python2.3-gnome2 ssh synaptic telnet telnetd tetex-base tetex-doc texinfo util-linux wavesurfer wget xcdroast xmms xpdf xpdf-common xpdf-reader xpdf-utils xscreensaver xscreensaver-gl The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed: aptitude-doc-en dbus-1-utils deborphan libgnome2-perl lm-sensors myspell-en-us nautilus-cd-burner perl-doc unzip x-ttcidfont-conf xli xloadimage 111 packages upgraded, 12 newly installed, 6 to remove and 21 not upgraded. Need to get 118MB/118MB of archives. After unpacking 2107kB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] NO. definately NO. From pw_lists at slinkp.com Tue Oct 25 12:35:10 2005 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Oct 25 12:35:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digital audio files for hardware verification In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510250654k23c8c169pf613ab1613ff3333@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0510241122i4cafeb9fhd586d9ea12fb5739@mail.gmail.com> <20051025094906.000076c4@suni2> <5bdc1c8b0510250654k23c8c169pf613ab1613ff3333@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <71e0fd540510250935qb88c157v6f7c01da46429546@mail.gmail.com> Awk is powerful and concise, but it's not my friend - I can never remember how the heck it works ;-) I'd probably do like Paul D. suggests and use existing tools - e.g. find something to generate an appropriate soundfile, then feed it through sox. But just for fun, here's something silly I just whipped up: $ ./sine_hex.py Usage: ./sine_hex.py frequency [sampling rate] [bits] Print one cycle of a sine wave of approximately the given frequency. Values given in hex with *bits* precision at *sampling rate*. Default sampling rate is 44100. Default bits is 16. pwinkler@Winkler-P-LT2K ~ $ ./sine_hex.py 24000 48000 0000 ffff pwinkler@Winkler-P-LT2K ~ $ ./sine_hex.py 3000 48000 0000 31f1 61f7 8e39 b504 d4da ec82 fb14 ffff fb14 ec82 d4da b504 8e39 61f7 31f1 And here's the source. Most of it is argument handling :-) http://www.slinkp.com/~paul/sine_hex.py -- http://www.slinkp.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Oct 25 11:54:23 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Oct 25 12:37:35 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Whatever happend to the alsa config file? In-Reply-To: <87hdb5bqbg.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <87hdb5bqbg.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <1130255664.28314.57.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 16:53 +0200, Esben Stien wrote: > Alex Polite writes: > > > a separate configuration file for alsa > > If you want to define your own override, you can just create the > /etc/asound.conf file. > But an ALSA config file can't do what he wants (use card 0 as default unless card 1 is present). I don't know how you'd do that. Try the ALSA lists. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 13:00:17 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Oct 25 13:00:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digital audio files for hardware verification In-Reply-To: <71e0fd540510250935qb88c157v6f7c01da46429546@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0510241122i4cafeb9fhd586d9ea12fb5739@mail.gmail.com> <20051025094906.000076c4@suni2> <5bdc1c8b0510250654k23c8c169pf613ab1613ff3333@mail.gmail.com> <71e0fd540510250935qb88c157v6f7c01da46429546@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510251000t1c3376eavbcbf6a43e9f74db1@mail.gmail.com> On 10/25/05, Paul Winkler wrote: > Awk is powerful and concise, but it's not my friend - I can never remember how > the heck it works ;-) > > I'd probably do like Paul D. suggests and use existing tools - e.g. > find something > to generate an appropriate soundfile, then feed it through sox. > But just for fun, here's something silly I just whipped up: > > $ ./sine_hex.py > Usage: ./sine_hex.py frequency [sampling rate] [bits] > Print one cycle of a sine wave of approximately the > given frequency. > Values given in hex with *bits* precision at *sampling rate*. > Default sampling rate is 44100. Default bits is 16. > > pwinkler@Winkler-P-LT2K ~ > $ ./sine_hex.py 24000 48000 > 0000 > ffff > > pwinkler@Winkler-P-LT2K ~ > $ ./sine_hex.py 3000 48000 > 0000 > 31f1 > 61f7 > 8e39 > b504 > d4da > ec82 > fb14 > ffff > fb14 > ec82 > d4da > b504 > 8e39 > 61f7 > 31f1 > > And here's the source. Most of it is argument handling :-) > http://www.slinkp.com/~paul/sine_hex.py > Intereing. Another country heard from. One question that comes to mind, as I play with these solutions, is deciding how to evaluate the outputs. For instance I was fiddling with generating a sawtooth from Marcus' s method. I could do the same with this, but how do I know each of them is really implementing what I'm interested in? What tools do people use for FFT analysis on files like this? Cheers, Mark From pw_lists at slinkp.com Tue Oct 25 13:57:12 2005 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Oct 25 13:57:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digital audio files for hardware verification In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510251000t1c3376eavbcbf6a43e9f74db1@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0510241122i4cafeb9fhd586d9ea12fb5739@mail.gmail.com> <20051025094906.000076c4@suni2> <5bdc1c8b0510250654k23c8c169pf613ab1613ff3333@mail.gmail.com> <71e0fd540510250935qb88c157v6f7c01da46429546@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0510251000t1c3376eavbcbf6a43e9f74db1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <71e0fd540510251057r63405e97v9ce1251caeb39965@mail.gmail.com> This is a huge can of worms you're opening here ... A simple sawtooth wave is going to have a lot of aliasing, unless you specifically use an algorithm that produces a band-limited approximation, at which point you've already left me far behind ;-) For FFT, my needs have been very modest, I just eyeball stuff in Snd. There is also www.baudline.com , very slick but it is merely free and not Free. -PW On 10/25/05, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/25/05, Paul Winkler wrote: > > Awk is powerful and concise, but it's not my friend - I can never remember how > > the heck it works ;-) > > > > I'd probably do like Paul D. suggests and use existing tools - e.g. > > find something > > to generate an appropriate soundfile, then feed it through sox. > > But just for fun, here's something silly I just whipped up: > > > > $ ./sine_hex.py > > Usage: ./sine_hex.py frequency [sampling rate] [bits] > > Print one cycle of a sine wave of approximately the > > given frequency. > > Values given in hex with *bits* precision at *sampling rate*. > > Default sampling rate is 44100. Default bits is 16. > > > > pwinkler@Winkler-P-LT2K ~ > > $ ./sine_hex.py 24000 48000 > > 0000 > > ffff > > > > pwinkler@Winkler-P-LT2K ~ > > $ ./sine_hex.py 3000 48000 > > 0000 > > 31f1 > > 61f7 > > 8e39 > > b504 > > d4da > > ec82 > > fb14 > > ffff > > fb14 > > ec82 > > d4da > > b504 > > 8e39 > > 61f7 > > 31f1 > > > > And here's the source. Most of it is argument handling :-) > > http://www.slinkp.com/~paul/sine_hex.py > > > > Intereing. Another country heard from. > > One question that comes to mind, as I play with these solutions, is > deciding how to evaluate the outputs. For instance I was fiddling with > generating a sawtooth from Marcus' s method. I could do the same with > this, but how do I know each of them is really implementing what I'm > interested in? > > What tools do people use for FFT analysis on files like this? > > Cheers, > Mark > > -- http://www.slinkp.com From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Tue Oct 25 10:18:09 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Tue Oct 25 16:04:52 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <1130238638.8115.8.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> References: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> <200510250357.46643.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <1130238638.8115.8.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <200510251618.10930.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> El Martes, 25 de Octubre de 2005 13:10, Lars Luthman escribi?: > > Ok, so I try with Rosegarden and then I can see the knobs from > > rosegarden, and it sounds too. > > No GUI? That's not good. > > Do you see the native Sineshaper GUI in Rosegarden, or just Rosegarden's > generic DSSI GUI? I can see the Rosegarden's generic DSSI GUI: I think that it has all the sineshaper knobs, but I can't make new sineshaper patches. > > Did you get a core dump or any error messages when the GUI wouldn't show > up in Ghostess? See the attached file. > Did the GUI actually get installed OK (do you have a program > called /usr/local/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk ls /usr/local/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk ls: /usr/local/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk: No existe el fichero o el directorio root@2[/]# ls /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk > and a Glade file > at /usr/local/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper.glade [or if you installed > it in another directory, do you have those files there?]) ? la /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper.glade -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 126112 2005-10-25 02:33 /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper.glade I will mail you an strace output from it, thanks. -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) fecha: mar oct 25 15:55:10 CEST 2005 -------------- next part -------------- ghostess-dssi.sh 127.0.0.1 Musix_GNU+Linux localhost jackd 0.100.0 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|soft-mode|16bit control device hw:0 configuring for 44100Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods nperiods = 2 for capture nperiods = 2 for playback ghostess: ghostess starting... ghostess: instance 0 on channel 0, plugin 0 is 'sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00' ghostess ready ghostess: OSC: got update request from From steffl at bigfoot.com Tue Oct 25 16:59:44 2005 From: steffl at bigfoot.com (Erik Steffl) Date: Tue Oct 25 17:00:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music apps being removed with Sarge/Etch updates In-Reply-To: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <435E9CC0.5000106@bigfoot.com> Nigel Henry wrote: > Hi. The latest updates on my Debian Sarge/Etch (on the testing repo) are > wanting to remove. Cheesetracker (libsigc++ deps) , Wavemixer, and Seq24. Now > I use, or more precisely, am trying to use Cheesetracker, so don't want to try aptitude, it explains why it wants to remove packages, I follow unstable and if it wants to remove something I like I just don't upgrade for some time (like now they are upgrading c++ and kde so it's pretty messy), the turmoils are fairly infrequent another options is to compile and install into /opt/package-version, sometime I do that when I really like package and it's not available for debian you'd probably get a better answer on debian-user mailing list erik > lose it. All the upgrades appear to be coming from. > deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main > I tried putting this Debian Sarge/Etch install onto the security testing repo, > but it don't want to play. I still have two basic Sarge installs, also on the > same security repo, but aptitude dist-upgrade is only doing minimal upgrades, > and certainly not wanting to remove apps. The ouput of aptitude dist-upgrade > is below, (also tried aptitude upgrade, as sometimes they differ) . Any > comments would be welcome. Nigel. > > Reading task descriptions... Done > Get:1 http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/main Packages [130kB] > Hit http://http.us.debian.org testing/main Packages > Hit http://http.us.debian.org testing/main Release > Hit http://http.us.debian.org testing/contrib Packages > Hit http://http.us.debian.org testing/contrib Release > Hit http://http.us.debian.org testing/non-free Packages > Hit http://http.us.debian.org testing/non-free Release > Get:2 http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/main Release [110B] > Fetched 130kB in 31s (4172B/s) > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree > Reading extended state information > Initializing package states... Done > Reading task descriptions... Done > debian:/home/djmons# aptitude dist-upgrade > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree > Reading extended state information > Initializing package states... Done > Reading task descriptions... Done > The following NEW packages will be automatically installed: > ca-certificates libaspell15c2 libedit2 libgksuui1.0-1 libgtkspell0 > libnautilus-burn1 libsigc++-1.2-5c2 libssl0.9.8 openssh-client > openssh-server python-gnome2-extras python2.3-gnome2-extras > The following packages will be automatically REMOVED: > cheesetracker libgksuui1.0-0 libgtkmm2.0-1c102 libsigc++-1.2-5c102 seq24 > wavemixer > The following packages have been kept back: > cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client cupsys-driver-gimpprint foomatic-db > foomatic-db-engine foomatic-db-hpijs foomatic-filters foomatic-gui > gimp-help-common gimp-help-en hpijs libcupsimage2 python-foomatic > python-glade2 python-gnome2 python-gtk2 python2.3-glade2 python2.3-gtk2 > python2.3-pyorbit x-window-system-core > The following NEW packages will be installed: > ca-certificates libaspell15c2 libedit2 libgksuui1.0-1 libgtkspell0 > libnautilus-burn1 libsigc++-1.2-5c2 libssl0.9.8 openssh-client > openssh-server python-gnome2-extras python2.3-gnome2-extras > The following packages will be REMOVED: > cheesetracker libgksuui1.0-0 libgtkmm2.0-1c102 libsigc++-1.2-5c102 seq24 > wavemixer > The following packages will be upgraded: > apt apt-utils aptitude bash bind9-host bsdgames bsdutils console-common > console-tools cpp cxref debianutils desktop-base dnsutils edict fdutils > fftw3 finger fingerd freeglut3 g++ gcc gksu gnome-session gnome-utils > info language-env libacl1 libattr1 libbind9-0 libconsole libcurl3 > libdns20 libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-data libglib2.0-dev libgpgme11 libgtk1.2 > libgtk1.2-common libhtml-parser-perl libhtml-tree-perl libisc9 libisccc0 > libisccfg1 liblwres1 libnautilus-extension1 libnews-nntpclient-perl > libnspr4 libnss3 liboaf0 liboil0.3 liborbit2 libpango1.0-0 > libpango1.0-common libpcap0.8 libpcre3 libpcre3-dev libperl5.8 libpisock8 > libsensors3 libsigc++-1.2-dev libssl-dev libssl0.9.7 > libtext-charwidth-perl libtext-iconv-perl libtext-wrapi18n-perl > libtiff-tools libtiff4 libusb-0.1-4 libvte-common libvte4 > lm-sensors-2.4.27-2-386 login menu module-init-tools mount mozilla > mozilla-browser mozilla-mailnews mozilla-psm nautilus nautilus-data nmap > oaf openssl passwd perl perl-base perl-modules portmap python-extclass > python2.3-extclass python2.3-gnome2 ssh synaptic telnet telnetd > tetex-base tetex-doc texinfo util-linux wavesurfer wget xcdroast xmms > xpdf xpdf-common xpdf-reader xpdf-utils xscreensaver xscreensaver-gl > The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed: > aptitude-doc-en dbus-1-utils deborphan libgnome2-perl lm-sensors > myspell-en-us nautilus-cd-burner perl-doc unzip x-ttcidfont-conf xli > xloadimage > 111 packages upgraded, 12 newly installed, 6 to remove and 21 not upgraded. > Need to get 118MB/118MB of archives. After unpacking 2107kB will be used. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] > > NO. definately NO. > From ce at christeck.de Tue Oct 25 17:12:11 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Oct 25 17:06:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: sysex requests for evolution/midiman/m-audio anyone? In-Reply-To: <86br1ew8c8.fsf@localhost.localdomain> References: <200510221030.53280.ce@christeck.de> <86br1ew8c8.fsf@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200510252312.11639.ce@christeck.de> Hi Michal, > http://www.evolution.co.uk/pub/manuals/mk-425c_449c_461c_advanced_use >r_guide.pdf thanks a bunch for your efforts! Unfortunately, it's only about how to set up the device to send GS sysex commands, not about the sysex format of the device itself. m-audio really makes a top secret about their sysex commands :( . Best regards ce From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Tue Oct 25 17:13:47 2005 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Tue Oct 25 17:12:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <200510251618.10930.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> References: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> <200510250357.46643.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <1130238638.8115.8.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> <200510251618.10930.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <1130274827.8115.19.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 16:18 +0200, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > El Martes, 25 de Octubre de 2005 13:10, Lars Luthman escribi?: > > Did you get a core dump or any error messages when the GUI wouldn't show > > up in Ghostess? > > See the attached file. > > I will mail you an strace output from it, thanks. I can see in that strace output that ghostess actually did find the GUI program. So the problem must be in the actual execution of the GUI, or in the communication between ghostess and the GUI. Could you try to run the GUI directly, using the command /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk You should get something similar to this output: Not enough arguments passed to the DSSIUIClient constructor! Could not start OSC listener. You are not running the program manually, are you? It's supposed to be started by the plugin host. If you get that the problem is most likely in the OSC communication, if you get something else there is probably something wrong with the GUI program or the libraries it uses. -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051025/2449c7f6/attachment.bin From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Oct 25 17:14:20 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Oct 25 17:15:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music apps being removed with Sarge/Etch updates In-Reply-To: <435E9CC0.5000106@bigfoot.com> References: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <435E9CC0.5000106@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <1130274860.4483.23.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 13:59 -0700, Erik Steffl wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > > Hi. The latest updates on my Debian Sarge/Etch (on the testing repo) are > > wanting to remove. Cheesetracker (libsigc++ deps) , Wavemixer, and Seq24. Now > > I use, or more precisely, am trying to use Cheesetracker, so don't want to > > try aptitude, it explains why it wants to remove packages, > > I follow unstable and if it wants to remove something I like I just > don't upgrade for some time (like now they are upgrading c++ and kde so > it's pretty messy), the turmoils are fairly infrequent Another option is to let it remove the packages then force install them afterwards. Not pretty but it often works. Lee From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Oct 24 18:07:12 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue Oct 25 18:23:50 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music apps being removed with Sarge/Etch updates In-Reply-To: <1130274860.4483.23.camel@mindpipe> References: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <435E9CC0.5000106@bigfoot.com> <1130274860.4483.23.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200510242207.12286.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Tuesday 25 October 2005 21:14, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 13:59 -0700, Erik Steffl wrote: > > Nigel Henry wrote: > > > Hi. The latest updates on my Debian Sarge/Etch (on the testing repo) > > > are wanting to remove. Cheesetracker (libsigc++ deps) , Wavemixer, and > > > Seq24. Now I use, or more precisely, am trying to use Cheesetracker, so > > > don't want to > > > > try aptitude, it explains why it wants to remove packages, > > > > I follow unstable and if it wants to remove something I like I just > > don't upgrade for some time (like now they are upgrading c++ and kde so > > it's pretty messy), the turmoils are fairly infrequent > > Another option is to let it remove the packages then force install them > afterwards. Not pretty but it often works. > > Lee Hi Lee. I think I'll go for your option. It's not like I don't have Cheesetracker on another distro, and if it all goes pearshaped, well so be it. It does seem like the 3 audio apps it wants to remove are all tied in with libsigc++-1.2-5c102, which is being upgraded to libsigc++-5c2. Presumably it's only these 3 audio apps that are being affected by this change. Amsynth also requires libsigc++ according to my notes on FC2 deps, but looking at synaptic options/deps for amsynth on my Debian Sarge/Etch install, this says it's for a different version of libsigc++ (libsigc++0c102). I'll go for it. It will pass the time. Thanks for the advice. Nigel. ps: I hope Linux distro's arn't going the way of MS Windows XP & the notorious app trashing service pack 2. But saying that, at least Debian have the decency to tell you before you upgrade, which app's they're going to trash. From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 18:47:04 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Oct 25 18:47:06 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music apps being removed with Sarge/Etch updates In-Reply-To: <200510242207.12286.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <435E9CC0.5000106@bigfoot.com> <1130274860.4483.23.camel@mindpipe> <200510242207.12286.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510251547w244b72cew56240248bb2cb3a7@mail.gmail.com> On 10/24/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > ps: I hope Linux distro's arn't going the way of MS Windows XP & the notorious > app trashing service pack 2. But saying that, at least Debian have the > decency to tell you before you upgrade, which app's they're going to trash. > I don't know what non-Gentoo users feel about the distro (and before you answer let's start a new religion thread...) but I doubt this sort of issue will come up this distro. - Mark - audio fun on Gentoo for the last 2 years From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Oct 24 19:16:39 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue Oct 25 19:34:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music apps being removed with Sarge/Etch updates In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510251547w244b72cew56240248bb2cb3a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200510242207.12286.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0510251547w244b72cew56240248bb2cb3a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200510242316.39020.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Tuesday 25 October 2005 22:47, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/24/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > ps: I hope Linux distro's arn't going the way of MS Windows XP & the > > notorious app trashing service pack 2. But saying that, at least Debian > > have the decency to tell you before you upgrade, which app's they're > > going to trash. > > I don't know what non-Gentoo users feel about the distro (and before > you answer let's start a new religion thread...) but I doubt this sort > of issue will come up this distro. > > - Mark - audio fun on Gentoo for the last 2 years Hi Mark. It took me quite some months to get Gentoo installed, with some breaks to get myself together again. It's up and running now Had a problem getting Gnome and KDE 3.4 to install, but creating a link for libtools named 3.4 and linked to 3.5-2005xxxx fixed that. I've got a few music apps on it, and am quite satisfied with Gentoo, but, not really for a real newbie to install. I've had no app trashing problems from Fernando with FC1,2, and 3, and Slackware 10.0 seems ok too. Just a bit on the side. I'd really like to get Smack the drum machine on Gentoo, and see there are some ebuilds for it, but don't know how to work with them after I've downloaded them. Any hints so that I can use emerge to install them? Thanks for watching. Nigel. From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 20:12:30 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Oct 25 20:12:46 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music apps being removed with Sarge/Etch updates In-Reply-To: <200510242316.39020.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200510242207.12286.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0510251547w244b72cew56240248bb2cb3a7@mail.gmail.com> <200510242316.39020.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510251712w51563ba3p7704addb66aafa8d@mail.gmail.com> On 10/24/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Tuesday 25 October 2005 22:47, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 10/24/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > ps: I hope Linux distro's arn't going the way of MS Windows XP & the > > > notorious app trashing service pack 2. But saying that, at least Debian > > > have the decency to tell you before you upgrade, which app's they're > > > going to trash. > > > > I don't know what non-Gentoo users feel about the distro (and before > > you answer let's start a new religion thread...) but I doubt this sort > > of issue will come up this distro. > > > > - Mark - audio fun on Gentoo for the last 2 years > > Hi Mark. It took me quite some months to get Gentoo installed, with some > breaks to get myself together again. It's up and running now Had a problem > getting Gnome and KDE 3.4 to install, but creating a link for libtools named > 3.4 and linked to 3.5-2005xxxx fixed that. I've got a few music apps on it, > and am quite satisfied with Gentoo, but, not really for a real newbie to > install. I've had no app trashing problems from Fernando with FC1,2, and 3, > and Slackware 10.0 seems ok too. > > Just a bit on the side. I'd really like to get Smack the drum machine on > Gentoo, and see there are some ebuilds for it, but don't know how to work > with them after I've downloaded them. Any hints so that I can use emerge to > install them? Thanks for watching. Nigel. > Conceptually I don't think it's too hard. Here's what I just did with Om 1) Make sure you have a local portage overlay directory defined and created. Here's my entry in /etc/make.conf: lightning media-sound # cat /etc/make.conf | grep portage PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/usr/local/portage lightning media-sound # 2) Make a directory for media-sound ebuilds: mkdir /usr/local/portage/media-sound 2) Make a directory for om mkdir /usr/local/portage/om 3) Copy the om-ebuild into /usr/local/portage/media-sound/om 4) See if it's recognized: lightning media-sound # emerge -pv om These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "om" have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - media-sound/om-0.2.0 (masked by: ~amd64 keyword) For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or section 2.2 "Software Availability" in the Gentoo Handbook. lightning media-sound # 5) Since it's masked I add (for test purposes - I wouldn't build it this way) the ~amd64 keyword: lightning media-sound # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~amd64" emerge -pv om These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild N ] media-libs/liblo-0.22 -doc 429 kB [ebuild N ] media-sound/om-0.2.0 +alsa -debug -dssi +gtk +ladspa -lash 0 kB [1] Total size of downloads: 429 kB Portage overlays: [1] /usr/local/portage lightning media-sound # I would then decide if the USE flages were good, adjust /etc/portage/package.use as necessary, and when they were I'd build it. Not too difficult. I got the om ebuild from Gentoo's Bugzilla where these things get submitted: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109194 There is an ebuild submitted for the Om plugins. I did not spot one for Smack. Maybe you can write one?! ;-) Let me know if you get it running. Hope this helps, Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Oct 25 20:28:45 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Oct 25 20:32:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music apps being removed with Sarge/Etch updates In-Reply-To: <200510242207.12286.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <435E9CC0.5000106@bigfoot.com> <1130274860.4483.23.camel@mindpipe> <200510242207.12286.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <1130286525.4483.38.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 22:07 +0000, Nigel Henry wrote: > ps: I hope Linux distro's arn't going the way of MS Windows XP & the notorious > app trashing service pack 2. But saying that, at least Debian have the > decency to tell you before you upgrade, which app's they're going to trash. > Nope, this issue is due to your using the testing repository. I'm sure you would not have it with stable. Usually if I hit a situation like that I just wait a week to upgrade anything, usually the problem has been sorted out by then. Semi OT but SP2 does seem to be really bad even for Microsoft. A client of mine reports that SP1 -> SP2 completely broke Firewire audio and there's still no fix. Lee From smassy at sdf.lonestar.org Tue Oct 25 23:39:55 2005 From: smassy at sdf.lonestar.org (S. Massy) Date: Tue Oct 25 23:40:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Non-graphical synthesiser solution? Message-ID: <20051026033955.GA29205@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Hi there, I am toying with the idea to re-start playing with digital synthesis once again (haven't done so in a while now). Judging by the number of synth packages in the Debian archive, there is more than a few out there; however, most of them (bristol, ams, etc.) seem to be GUI-controlled (and hence require an x-server), which is not very practical for me. I can think of a few ways to rig up a modular synth with, say, ecasound, jack, and aconnect, but I was wondering if there is any programme, package, or idea already out there to make this easier. I also started playing with SuperCollider today, but language-driven synthesis are, by necessity, more of a long-term endavour, and, right now, I'm looking for more of a modular synth solution, especially LADSPA-driven. Any idea? Thanks, S.M. -- smassy@sdf.lonestar.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Oct 26 01:28:02 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Oct 26 01:29:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Non-graphical synthesiser solution? In-Reply-To: <20051026033955.GA29205@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20051026033955.GA29205@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Message-ID: <1130304482.4483.72.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 03:39 +0000, S. Massy wrote: > Hi there, > > I am toying with the idea to re-start playing with digital synthesis > once again (haven't done so in a while now). Judging by the number of > synth packages in the Debian archive, there is more than a few out > there; however, most of them (bristol, ams, etc.) seem to be > GUI-controlled (and hence require an x-server), which is not very > practical for me. I can think of a few ways to rig up a modular synth > with, say, ecasound, jack, and aconnect, but I was wondering if there is > any programme, package, or idea already out there to make this easier. I > also started playing with SuperCollider today, but language-driven > synthesis are, by necessity, more of a long-term endavour, and, right > now, I'm looking for more of a modular synth solution, especially > LADSPA-driven. Any idea? Fluidsynth doesn't require a GUI. Lee From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Tue Oct 25 20:17:10 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Wed Oct 26 01:42:49 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <1130274827.8115.19.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> References: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> <200510251618.10930.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <1130274827.8115.19.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <200510260217.10892.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> El Martes, 25 de Octubre de 2005 23:13, Lars Luthman escribi?: > On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 16:18 +0200, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > El Martes, 25 de Octubre de 2005 13:10, Lars Luthman escribi?: > > > Did you get a core dump or any error messages when the GUI wouldn't > > > show up in Ghostess? > > > > See the attached file. > > > > I will mail you an strace output from it, thanks. > > I can see in that strace output that ghostess actually did find the GUI > program. So the problem must be in the actual execution of the GUI, or > in the communication between ghostess and the GUI. Could you try to run > the GUI directly, using the command Yes I do > /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk > > You should get something similar to this output: > > Not enough arguments passed to the DSSIUIClient constructor! > Could not start OSC listener. You are not running the > program manually, are you? It's supposed to be started by > the plugin host. /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk Not enough arguments passed to the DSSIUIClient constructor! Could not start OSC listener. You are not running the program manually, are you? It's supposed to be started by the plugin host. > If you get that the problem is most likely in the OSC communication, if > you get something else there is probably something wrong with the GUI > program or the libraries it uses. Hexter and the other DSSI synth's GUIs works perfect, I dont know what is going on with sineshaper, tell me if I can help... -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) fecha: mi? oct 26 02:10:01 CEST 2005 ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From the_Arioch at nm.ru Wed Oct 26 05:05:18 2005 From: the_Arioch at nm.ru (Arioch) Date: Wed Oct 26 06:32:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: A New Tune In-Reply-To: <20051001163916.GY17143@falcon.fugal.net> References: <433D0CA7.7010305@eircom.net> <1128174178.6912.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <433EB206.8010301@eircom.net> <20051001163916.GY17143@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: Hans Fugal ?????: > It's easier to just encode, then add the comments with a file and the > vorbiscomments program. ...or some player like amaroK, though this can only add usual tags, not custom ones. Guess there is to be some Common Creative license in tags :-) I wonder, is there any free music repository out there ? For example AltLinux distro compiled 2 CD's with free (as in beer) music, but this will hardly be reused by any other distro and so forth. From bwanab+lau at juraview.com Wed Oct 26 06:32:07 2005 From: bwanab+lau at juraview.com (Bill Allen) Date: Wed Oct 26 06:32:34 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Non-graphical synthesiser solution? In-Reply-To: <20051026033955.GA29205@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20051026033955.GA29205@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Message-ID: <435F5B27.8070900@juraview.com> S. Massy wrote: >Hi there, > >I am toying with the idea to re-start playing with digital synthesis >once again (haven't done so in a while now). Judging by the number of >synth packages in the Debian archive, there is more than a few out >there; however, most of them (bristol, ams, etc.) seem to be >GUI-controlled (and hence require an x-server), which is not very >practical for me. I can think of a few ways to rig up a modular synth >with, say, ecasound, jack, and aconnect, but I was wondering if there is >any programme, package, or idea already out there to make this easier. I >also started playing with SuperCollider today, but language-driven >synthesis are, by necessity, more of a long-term endavour, and, right >now, I'm looking for more of a modular synth solution, especially >LADSPA-driven. Any idea? > >Thanks, >S.M. > > Alsa Modular Synth is normally controlled by gui, but can be invoked with --nogui when you want to script it up. Regards, Bill From dave at pawfal.org Wed Oct 26 07:12:08 2005 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Wed Oct 26 07:12:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Non-graphical synthesiser solution? In-Reply-To: <20051026033955.GA29205@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20051026033955.GA29205@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Message-ID: <40482.193.203.82.226.1130325128.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> > I am toying with the idea to re-start playing with digital synthesis > once again (haven't done so in a while now). Judging by the number of > synth packages in the Debian archive, there is more than a few out > there; however, most of them (bristol, ams, etc.) seem to be > GUI-controlled (and hence require an x-server), which is not very > practical for me. om is what you are looking for I think : http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/ anything osc driven is scriptable, or commandline capable - whether it has a gui or not. When I get any time, I want to do a formal release of noiseweapon: http://tinyurl.com/7woyy which is a small performance orientated fixed function synth 100% controlled by osc (although the lack of any midi support means it probably has a limited appeal atm :) cheers, dave From a at gaydenko.com Wed Oct 26 07:32:55 2005 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Wed Oct 26 07:32:51 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] pd or jMax? Message-ID: <200510261532.55088@goldspace.net> Hi! I'm going to learn one of this apps. The aim is to use one of them to create a functional generator (with sliders, switches, attenuations. mixings and so on) for audio-DIY-ing purposes. JACK server will be in use for routing. Which app to select? I think, learn period is not too short to try both :-) Thanks in advance! Andrew From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Wed Oct 26 07:33:17 2005 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Wed Oct 26 08:08:00 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Non-graphical synthesiser solution? In-Reply-To: <20051026033955.GA29205@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20051026033955.GA29205@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Message-ID: <1130326398.6521.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-26-10 at 03:39 +0000, S. Massy wrote: > Hi there, > > I am toying with the idea to re-start playing with digital synthesis > once again (haven't done so in a while now). Judging by the number of > synth packages in the Debian archive, there is more than a few out > there; however, most of them (bristol, ams, etc.) seem to be > GUI-controlled (and hence require an x-server), which is not very > practical for me. I can think of a few ways to rig up a modular synth > with, say, ecasound, jack, and aconnect, but I was wondering if there is > any programme, package, or idea already out there to make this easier. I > also started playing with SuperCollider today, but language-driven > synthesis are, by necessity, more of a long-term endavour, and, right > now, I'm looking for more of a modular synth solution, especially > LADSPA-driven. Any idea? Modular synth, no (mandatory) GUI, LADSPA driven? http://om-synth.nongnu.org Everything is controlled through OSC. There are Python and Supercollider bindings included in the source tree (SC is only in CVS though, as of a few days ago) if you're into that sort of thing, as well as a simple command-line patch loading client (and a full out GTK one). There's no command line patch saving client yet though.. mail the list or put it on the wiki if you need one Disclaimer: I wrote it :) -DR- From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Wed Oct 26 08:18:06 2005 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Wed Oct 26 08:17:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] pd or jMax? In-Reply-To: <200510261532.55088@goldspace.net> References: <200510261532.55088@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <435F73FE.3080106@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! > Which app to select? I think, learn period is not too short to try both :-) jMax is dead - so you will have to use pd ... LG Georg From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Oct 26 08:37:24 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Oct 26 08:27:04 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] pd or jMax? In-Reply-To: <200510261532.55088@goldspace.net> References: <200510261532.55088@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <435F7884.7040908@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Pd is your better choice. IRCAM has officially ceased support for jMax, as far as I know it hasn't been in active development for more than a year. Pd is truly awesome. Best, dp Andrew Gaydenko wrote: >Hi! > >I'm going to learn one of this apps. The aim is to use one of them to create >a functional generator (with sliders, switches, attenuations. mixings and so on) >for audio-DIY-ing purposes. JACK server will be in use for routing. > >Which app to select? I think, learn period is not too short to try both :-) > >Thanks in advance! >Andrew > > > From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Wed Oct 26 08:52:56 2005 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Wed Oct 26 08:53:12 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <200510260217.10892.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> References: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> <200510251618.10930.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <1130274827.8115.19.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> <200510260217.10892.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <1130331176.7207.15.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 02:17 +0200, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk > Not enough arguments passed to the DSSIUIClient constructor! > Could not start OSC listener. You are not running the > program manually, are you? It's supposed to be started by > the plugin host. OK, one more try. Run 'ghostess -debug -1 sineshaper.so'. This will print a lot of text to the terminal, look for lines that look something like ghostess: instance 0 on channel 0, plugin 0 is 'sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00' and ghostess: host OSC URL is osc.udp://localhost:19605/ Do not push the UI button in the Ghostess window. Next, in another terminal, run this: /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk osc.udp://localhost:19605/dssi/sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00 sineshaper.so sineshaper Testing where you replace osc.udp://localhost:19605/ with the OSC URL that ghostess printed for you, and sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00 with the plugin path that ghostess printed for you. Ghostess should now print something similar to ghostess: OSC: got update request from ...and a number of lines starting with 'ghostess OSC control handler:' sineshaper_gtk in the other terminal should not print anything. Now push the 'UI' button in the Ghostess window. This should open the sineshaper GUI window which should look like this: http://ll-plugins.sourceforge.net/screenshots/sineshaper.png This is what _should_ happen if everything is working correctly. On your system it will probably do something else at some point, and this might help us find out exactly what the problem is. -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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McCoy was like: > Here's a medley of some of the work I've been doing in Ardour, with > drums provided by Hydrogen and some hardware-based drum machines, and > MIDI sequencing by Rosegarden, using a Korg N5 digital keyboard for > instruments. ?All guitars and bass are live recordings. > > http://www.alhazred.com/music/teaser.m3u Nice work Brett! I found some of the backing tracks rather staccato for my taste and the second track has some odd timing in the drum track, which I found off-putting. From the quality of the production otherwise, I assume these are conscious design decisions that you have made. I particularly liked the guitar piece at the beginning. Look forward to hearing some complete pieces. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From idragosani at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 09:04:58 2005 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett W. McCoy) Date: Wed Oct 26 09:05:02 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Track medley In-Reply-To: <200510261353.07406.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <18b65aac0510200725k1a519babte92d233b0eb4413@mail.gmail.com> <200510261353.07406.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <18b65aac0510260604l4a9e9296sc7c03733ba379e66@mail.gmail.com> On 10/26/05, tim hall wrote: > > http://www.alhazred.com/music/teaser.m3u > Nice work Brett! > > I found some of the backing tracks rather staccato for my taste and the second > track has some odd timing in the drum track, which I found off-putting. From > the quality of the production otherwise, I assume these are conscious design > decisions that you have made. I particularly liked the guitar piece at the > beginning. Look forward to hearing some complete pieces. ;) Yeah, the second track uses a Moroccan Sufi rhythm in one place, which is why it sounds odd... Thanks for listening! -- Brett -- Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.chapelperilous.net http://www.alhazred.com http://www.revelmoon.com From salvuz_78 at virgilio.it Wed Oct 26 11:58:44 2005 From: salvuz_78 at virgilio.it (Salvatore Di Pietro) Date: Wed Oct 26 09:58:43 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Going to buy an M-Audio Delta44... How good is it with JACK? In-Reply-To: <4334B038.8000204@virgilio.it> References: <4334B038.8000204@virgilio.it> Message-ID: <435FA7B4.4010106@virgilio.it> Salvatore Di Pietro wrote: > Greets to all, > As in subject, I'm gonna buy a Delta44, and I would like to have some > impressions about its reliability with JACK, as I am still bugged with > the occasional crackling problem (with no xruns) with my SB Live and > other consumer cards I own, but I think it's a poor hardware design > issue or an ALSA driver bug, as suggested by Paul Davis et a. on this > list (but, hey Lee revell, have you got that problem with SBLive?) > So, any Delta44, or M-Audio and JACK enthusiast here? > Thanks in advance! > > ciao Thanks to everybody for the good advice! I am now a happy owner of a Delta44, and I must say I am impressed by the sound quality and stability, a real good piece of hardware! I am considering now the opportunity to have a speech at the Linux Day on Nov 26 in Italy about Linux as a music production environment, as it seems that the weird occasional crackling problem has gone away... Happy music to everybody! -- salvuz POST FATA RESVRGO Linux registered user #291700 | machine #174619 get counted on ---> http://counter.li.org/ <--- From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue Oct 25 10:25:18 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Oct 26 10:44:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music apps being removed with Sarge/Etch updates In-Reply-To: <1130286525.4483.38.camel@mindpipe> References: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200510242207.12286.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1130286525.4483.38.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200510251425.18117.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 26 October 2005 00:28, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 22:07 +0000, Nigel Henry wrote: > > ps: I hope Linux distro's arn't going the way of MS Windows XP & the > > notorious app trashing service pack 2. But saying that, at least Debian > > have the decency to tell you before you upgrade, which app's they're > > going to trash. > > Nope, this issue is due to your using the testing repository. I'm sure > you would not have it with stable. I do have 2 Stable versions that I use on the same machine, and no problems with these. I'll stay on the testing repo with the other one, as it will be interesting to see how the transition from Sarge to Etch progresses, and if any future upgrades start to affect Alsa. There are 2 kernels I use on this. 2.4.27-2-386 which is using alsa-driver 1.0.9a , and is upgraded quite often. 2.6.11-1-386 which uses alsa-ancient-driver 1.0.8 ,and thats the latest 2.6 in the testing repo, which ain't very good. Sound card on this machine that I run all distro's with music apps, is. Audigy2 soundblaster (emu10k1), with chip: Sigmatel Stac9721/23 . > > Usually if I hit a situation like that I just wait a week to upgrade > anything, usually the problem has been sorted out by then. Anyway, I went ahead with a devil may care attitude, and it has trashed Cheesetracker. It's still on synaptic, but with no deb package available (at the moment). Watch this space. > > Semi OT but SP2 does seem to be really bad even for Microsoft. A client > of mine reports that SP1 -> SP2 completely broke Firewire audio and > there's still no fix. I suppose that's why there was so much insistance by IT folks to run the SP2 upgrade on a test machine (if you've got one) before upgrading all the production machines. Not very funny though, when MS as good as insists on the upgrade. You do it, thinking you're doing the right thing, and end up totally stuffed. All the best. Nigel. > > Lee From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Oct 26 14:53:40 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Oct 26 12:57:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Whatever happend to the alsa config file? In-Reply-To: <1130255664.28314.57.camel@mindpipe> (Lee Revell's message of "Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:54:23 -0400") References: <87hdb5bqbg.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <1130255664.28314.57.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <87irvk9kjv.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Lee Revell writes: > But an ALSA config file can't do what he wants Yup, sorry, misread. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Oct 26 14:55:17 2005 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Oct 26 12:59:14 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Whatever happend to the alsa config file? In-Reply-To: (Alex Polite's message of "Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:44:48 +0200") References: <87hdb5bqbg.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <87ek689kh6.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Alex Polite writes: > What I want to do is have have all my applications use the internal > sound card as default, and use the USB sound card whenever it is > plugged in. Your problem is unrelated to the also config file. I don't know how to solve it. You should post this issue to the alsa-user mailinglist. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From ce at christeck.de Wed Oct 26 15:12:42 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Wed Oct 26 15:06:39 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] m-audio Trigger Finger: Plug'n'play :) Message-ID: <200510262112.42716.ce@christeck.de> Hi, JFYI: just bought one, and it works out of the box using the snd_usb_audio module. If someone is interested in the device, I can recommend it. One wee small tear: You can send sysex to the device to restore previous settings, but there's no way to backup the device on linux because it doesn't offer the possibility to request its memory content via sysex nor does it offer the possibility to invoke a dump from its interface. The german m-audio support was very kind and helpful about this matter, and I asked them to include a backup functionality in other/future devices. Don't know if they will do it. Best regards ce From fbar at footils.org Wed Oct 26 15:53:42 2005 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Oct 26 15:58:13 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] m-audio Trigger Finger: Plug'n'play :) In-Reply-To: <200510262112.42716.ce@christeck.de> References: <200510262112.42716.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20051026195342.GN19147@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Christoph Eckert hat gesagt: // Christoph Eckert wrote: > JFYI: > > just bought one, and it works out of the box using the snd_usb_audio > module. > > If someone is interested in the device, I can recommend it. Yes, it's very a nice device, I also own one (and I own the TF section on qbik.ch, hehe. ;) > One wee small tear: You can send sysex to the device to restore previous > settings, but there's no way to backup the device on linux because it > doesn't offer the possibility to request its memory content via sysex > nor does it offer the possibility to invoke a dump from its interface. > > The german m-audio support was very kind and helpful about this matter, > and I asked them to include a backup functionality in other/future > devices. Don't know if they will do it. It could be interesting to somehow clone the Enigma editor software to program the device, as Enigma is also used for many other Midi devices, that were made by Evolution and now belong to M-Audio, like the UC33. Maybe it would be possible to get at some specifications about this (if the name Enigma isn't to be taken by its original meaning). I'm sure this could become a nice community project. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue Oct 25 15:23:42 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Oct 26 15:59:42 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music apps being removed with Sarge/Etch updates In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510251712w51563ba3p7704addb66aafa8d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200510242316.39020.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0510251712w51563ba3p7704addb66aafa8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200510251923.42937.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 26 October 2005 00:12, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/24/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > On Tuesday 25 October 2005 22:47, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On 10/24/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > ps: I hope Linux distro's arn't going the way of MS Windows XP & the > > > > notorious app trashing service pack 2. But saying that, at least > > > > Debian have the decency to tell you before you upgrade, which app's > > > > they're going to trash. > > > > > > I don't know what non-Gentoo users feel about the distro (and before > > > you answer let's start a new religion thread...) but I doubt this sort > > > of issue will come up this distro. > > > > > > - Mark - audio fun on Gentoo for the last 2 years > > > > Hi Mark. It took me quite some months to get Gentoo installed, with some > > breaks to get myself together again. It's up and running now Had a > > problem getting Gnome and KDE 3.4 to install, but creating a link for > > libtools named 3.4 and linked to 3.5-2005xxxx fixed that. I've got a few > > music apps on it, and am quite satisfied with Gentoo, but, not really for > > a real newbie to install. I've had no app trashing problems from Fernando > > with FC1,2, and 3, and Slackware 10.0 seems ok too. > > > > Just a bit on the side. I'd really like to get Smack the drum machine on > > Gentoo, and see there are some ebuilds for it, but don't know how to work > > with them after I've downloaded them. Any hints so that I can use emerge > > to install them? Thanks for watching. Nigel. > > Conceptually I don't think it's too hard. Here's what I just did with Om > > 1) Make sure you have a local portage overlay directory defined and > created. Here's my entry in /etc/make.conf: > > lightning media-sound # cat /etc/make.conf | grep portage > PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/usr/local/portage > lightning media-sound # > > 2) Make a directory for media-sound ebuilds: > > mkdir /usr/local/portage/media-sound > > 2) Make a directory for om > > mkdir /usr/local/portage/om > > 3) Copy the om-ebuild into /usr/local/portage/media-sound/om > > 4) See if it's recognized: > > lightning media-sound # emerge -pv om > > These are the packages that I would merge, in order: > > Calculating dependencies > !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "om" have been masked. > !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your > request: - media-sound/om-0.2.0 (masked by: ~amd64 keyword) > > For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or > section 2.2 "Software Availability" in the Gentoo Handbook. > > lightning media-sound # > > 5) Since it's masked I add (for test purposes - I wouldn't build it > this way) the ~amd64 keyword: > > lightning media-sound # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~amd64" emerge -pv om > > These are the packages that I would merge, in order: > > Calculating dependencies ...done! > [ebuild N ] media-libs/liblo-0.22 -doc 429 kB > [ebuild N ] media-sound/om-0.2.0 +alsa -debug -dssi +gtk +ladspa > -lash 0 kB [1] > > Total size of downloads: 429 kB > Portage overlays: > [1] /usr/local/portage > lightning media-sound # > > I would then decide if the USE flages were good, adjust > /etc/portage/package.use as necessary, and when they were I'd build > it. > > Not too difficult. > > I got the om ebuild from Gentoo's Bugzilla where these things get > submitted: > > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109194 > > There is an ebuild submitted for the Om plugins. I did not spot one > for Smack. Maybe you can write one?! ;-) > > Let me know if you get it running. > > Hope this helps, > Mark Hi Mark. I've got as far as emerge -pv om. Unfortunately I've lost the syntax for a one shot unmask for a single package. I need to unmask om which is being masked by -x86 keyword. Nigel. BTW there are ebuilds for om, omins, and smack, at a link from http://smack.berlios.de . I havn't sent the URL for the link, as it's a bit weird. From tim at orford.org Wed Oct 26 16:34:32 2005 From: tim at orford.org (Tim Orford) Date: Wed Oct 26 16:34:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gentoo portage overlays In-Reply-To: <200510251923.42937.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200510242316.39020.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0510251712w51563ba3p7704addb66aafa8d@mail.gmail.com> <200510251923.42937.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20051026203432.GG7479@orford.org> > > lightning media-sound # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~amd64" emerge -pv om ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge -pv om But beware this will turn off x86 masking for any dependencies installed at the same time, which in the case of Smack will unnecesarily upgrade your Gtk install. The alternative is to add something like '>=media-sound/om-0.1.1' to the file /etc/portage/package.keywords cheers -- Tim Orford From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 16:38:38 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Oct 26 16:38:40 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music apps being removed with Sarge/Etch updates In-Reply-To: <200510251923.42937.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200510242316.39020.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0510251712w51563ba3p7704addb66aafa8d@mail.gmail.com> <200510251923.42937.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510261338s7905e0fdv99199a20b2ecef61@mail.gmail.com> On 10/25/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > > Hi Mark. I've got as far as emerge -pv om. Unfortunately I've lost the syntax > for a one shot unmask for a single package. I need to unmask om which is > being masked by -x86 keyword. Nigel. Although not the most acceptable way, does this not work? ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge -pv om I had ~amd64 due to the machine I tried it on yesterday. The problem with the above method is it would five you ~x86 for anything else it pulls in. A more acceptable way would be to add media-sound/om ~x86 to /etc/portage/package.keywords. That will give you ~x86 for om and stable for everything else. If that method runs into some package that's also masked, then you add that package to package.keywords until you have what you need. I'd emerge this now but I'm in the middle of a qt rebuilt to (hopefully) fix a problem with MythTV. > > BTW there are ebuilds for om, omins, and smack, at a link from > http://smack.berlios.de . I havn't sent the URL for the link, as it's a bit > weird. > Cool. I'll take a look. Thanks, Mark From ce at christeck.de Wed Oct 26 17:08:24 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Wed Oct 26 17:02:19 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] m-audio Trigger Finger: Plug'n'play :) In-Reply-To: <20051026195342.GN19147@fliwatut.scifi> References: <200510262112.42716.ce@christeck.de> <20051026195342.GN19147@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <200510262308.24543.ce@christeck.de> Hehe, > It could be interesting to somehow clone the Enigma editor software > to program the device, as Enigma is also used for many other Midi > devices, that were made by Evolution and now belong to M-Audio, like > the UC33. ?Maybe it would be possible to get at some specifications > about this (if the name Enigma isn't to be taken by its original > meaning). I'm sure this could become a nice community project. check out the software section at christeck.de ;-) . To be honest, I wanted to learn some C++, and instead of waitin and whinin about the lacks of usability on linux better contribute. I'm not sure if I will stay interested, but currently I am. Back to Enigma. Enigma is the try to support all m-audio devices with one software. A particular device in Enigma is described in an XML file. Regardless if it was Trigger Finger, UC33 or Oxygen, they all have the same features: Send Note on and controller events, so unifying the configuration software is the right idea - for m-audio. My approach is another one. If I was a real coder, I want to support *any* device by an XML description file. That's what I'm thinking about, and that's why I'm reading about XML right at the moment. I also have a Behringer V-amp guitar amp emulator and some parameters only are accessible via software. This was the starting point for my little project: Learn some C++ and then create a bank manager for my devices and some editors, mainly the Behringer one, but I've been asked about a programmer for the FCB 1010, a MIDI foot controller for guitarists. I already have the sysex packages of Trigger Finger on my hard drive; decoding it isn't much work, and even write a programmer then shouldn't be that difficult. But it is a one way tool: Configure in the PC and send it to the device. Chagning the device settings and getting it loaded into the PC seems to be done by Enigma via special USB commands instead of a sysex request. There are already projects writing a sysex tool, namely Jsynthlib. But the last time I tested it, * the UI did hurt my eyes (sorry) * It did use OSS instead of ALSA * I didn't find it very intuitive That's why I wanted to try to make it better. OTOH, I think I can do better UIs, but I doubt that I will be able to do such a huge project. So I'm currently thinking about better making individual tools for some devices instead of making one monster thing. Best regards ce From pcoccoli at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 17:06:14 2005 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Wed Oct 26 17:06:18 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Non-graphical synthesiser solution? In-Reply-To: <20051026033955.GA29205@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20051026033955.GA29205@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Message-ID: <8d27a0610510261406lfa4a63el7d60567874b7578d@mail.gmail.com> On 10/25/05, S. Massy wrote: > Hi there, > > I am toying with the idea to re-start playing with digital synthesis > once again (haven't done so in a while now). Judging by the number of > synth packages in the Debian archive, there is more than a few out > there; however, most of them (bristol, ams, etc.) seem to be > GUI-controlled (and hence require an x-server), which is not very > practical for me. I can think of a few ways to rig up a modular synth > with, say, ecasound, jack, and aconnect, but I was wondering if there is > any programme, package, or idea already out there to make this easier. I > also started playing with SuperCollider today, but language-driven > synthesis are, by necessity, more of a long-term endavour, and, right > now, I'm looking for more of a modular synth solution, especially > LADSPA-driven. Any idea? > > Thanks, > S.M. > -- > smassy@sdf.lonestar.org > soundtank? I've never used it. http://www.nymu.net/soundtank/ From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 17:22:37 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Oct 26 17:22:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Non-graphical synthesiser solution? In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610510261406lfa4a63el7d60567874b7578d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20051026033955.GA29205@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <8d27a0610510261406lfa4a63el7d60567874b7578d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510261422h1f2477d1h626ffd78415f3d2c@mail.gmail.com> > On 10/25/05, S. Massy wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I am toying with the idea to re-start playing with digital synthesis > > once again (haven't done so in a while now). Judging by the number of > > synth packages in the Debian archive, there is more than a few out > > there; however, most of them (bristol, ams, etc.) seem to be > > GUI-controlled (and hence require an x-server), which is not very > > practical for me. I can think of a few ways to rig up a modular synth > > with, say, ecasound, jack, and aconnect, but I was wondering if there is > > any programme, package, or idea already out there to make this easier. I > > also started playing with SuperCollider today, but language-driven > > synthesis are, by necessity, more of a long-term endavour, and, right > > now, I'm looking for more of a modular synth solution, especially > > LADSPA-driven. Any idea? > > > > Thanks, > > S.M. As an alternative to Super Collider you might look into Chuck. On the surface it seems like an interesting alternative and possibly a bit more manageable than SC, but again it's a language so it might take more time than you want to invest: http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ Anyway, even if you don't use I think it's interesting to know about. Take care, Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Oct 26 16:27:13 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Oct 26 17:56:50 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music apps being removed with Sarge/Etch updates In-Reply-To: <200510251923.42937.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200510242316.39020.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0510251712w51563ba3p7704addb66aafa8d@mail.gmail.com> <200510251923.42937.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <1130358434.4483.129.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 19:23 +0000, Nigel Henry wrote: > Hi Mark. I've got as far as emerge -pv om. Unfortunately I've lost the > syntax for a one shot unmask for a single package. I need to unmask om > which is being masked by -x86 keyword. Nigel. Can you fix your system clock? The dates on your messages are off by several hours. Lee From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue Oct 25 17:25:25 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Oct 26 18:05:47 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gentoo portage overlays In-Reply-To: <20051026203432.GG7479@orford.org> References: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200510251923.42937.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20051026203432.GG7479@orford.org> Message-ID: <200510252125.25212.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 26 October 2005 20:34, Tim Orford wrote: > > > lightning media-sound # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~amd64" emerge -pv om > > ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge -pv om > > But beware this will turn off x86 masking for any dependencies installed > at the same time, which in the case of Smack will unnecesarily upgrade > your Gtk install. > > The alternative is to add something like '>=media-sound/om-0.1.1' > to the file /etc/portage/package.keywords > > > cheers > -- > Tim Orford Hi Tim. I've looked in /etc/portage before, but the only thing there is a directory named "sets". Would I have to create the file, or should it be there already? Nigel. From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 18:24:50 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Oct 26 18:24:53 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gentoo portage overlays In-Reply-To: <200510252125.25212.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200510251923.42937.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20051026203432.GG7479@orford.org> <200510252125.25212.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510261524g78a036cdt1cb9ed5df4dc34a4@mail.gmail.com> On 10/25/05, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Wednesday 26 October 2005 20:34, Tim Orford wrote: > > > > lightning media-sound # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~amd64" emerge -pv om > > > > ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge -pv om > > > > But beware this will turn off x86 masking for any dependencies installed > > at the same time, which in the case of Smack will unnecesarily upgrade > > your Gtk install. > > > > The alternative is to add something like '>=media-sound/om-0.1.1' > > to the file /etc/portage/package.keywords > > > > > > cheers > > -- > > Tim Orford > > Hi Tim. I've looked in /etc/portage before, but the only thing there is a > directory named "sets". Would I have to create the file, or should it be > there already? Nigel. > You should create it. (them possibly) mark@lightning ~ $ ls -al /etc/portage/ total 24 drwxr-xr-x 3 root portage 4096 Oct 26 15:05 . drwxr-xr-x 57 root root 4096 Oct 26 15:12 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 96 Oct 12 10:43 modules -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 825 Oct 26 15:05 package.keywords -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 26 09:38 package.mask -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 294 Oct 26 09:40 package.use drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 4 19:27 profile mark@lightning ~ $ mark@lightning ~ $ cat /etc/portage/package.keywords gnome-base/gnome-light amd64 media-video/helixplayer amd64 media-libs/win32codecs amd64 net-irc/xchat-gnome amd64 x11-base/x11-drm amd64 app-admin/eselect-opengl ~amd64 app-admin/eselect ~amd64 sys-apps/sdparm ~amd64 sys-kernel/gentoo-sources ~amd64 x11-themes/fvwm-crystal ~amd64 x11-misc/trayer ~amd64 x11-wm/fvwm ~amd64 x11-misc/habak ~amd64 media-libs/libiec61883 ~amd64 sys-libs/libraw1394 ~amd64 sci-electronics/iverilog ~amd64 media-sound/om ~amd64 media-libs/liblo ~amd64 app-cdr/k3b ~x86 app-emulation/wine ~x86 media-libs/liblrdf ~x86 media-sound/alsa-headers ~x86 media-sound/alsa-jack ~x86 media-sound/alsa-lib ~x86 media-sound/alsa-oss ~x86 media-sound/alsa-tools ~x86 media-sound/alsa-utils ~x86 media-sound/snd ~x86 media-video/xine-ui ~x86 x11-libs/fltk ~x86 sys-fs/hfsplusutils x86 sys-fs/mac-fdisk ~x86 mark@lightning ~ mark@lightning ~ $ cat /etc/portage/package.use app-cdr/k3b ffmpeg app-emulation/wine oss sys-libs/glibc userlocales gnome-extra/yelp firefox media-tv/mythtv frontendonly oss -lirc media-video/realplayer nsplugin x11-misc/xscreensaver new-login dev-java/blackdown-jre browserplugin dev-java/blackdown-jdk browserplugin media-sound/snd -esd mark@lightning ~ $ From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Oct 24 20:40:01 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Oct 26 18:39:24 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music apps being removed with Sarge/Etch updates In-Reply-To: <1130358434.4483.129.camel@mindpipe> References: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200510251923.42937.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1130358434.4483.129.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200510250040.01715.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 26 October 2005 20:27, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 19:23 +0000, Nigel Henry wrote: > > Hi Mark. I've got as far as emerge -pv om. Unfortunately I've lost the > > syntax for a one shot unmask for a single package. I need to unmask om > > which is being masked by -x86 keyword. Nigel. > > Can you fix your system clock? The dates on your messages are off by > several hours. > > Lee Don't know. I've put a new battery in with plenty of shelf life, but the damn clock has again lost more than 3 hrs in the last 4 days. Apart from resetting it each time I bootup, I can't think of a fix. The smoothwall express2 gets it's time updates from a time server, but I'm not sure how to set that up on this old Gateway 500 I use for emails. Nigel. From steffl at bigfoot.com Wed Oct 26 19:04:20 2005 From: steffl at bigfoot.com (Erik Steffl) Date: Wed Oct 26 19:04:50 2005 Subject: time drifts WAS: Re: [linux-audio-user] music apps being removed with Sarge/Etch updates In-Reply-To: <200510250040.01715.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200510251923.42937.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1130358434.4483.129.camel@mindpipe> <200510250040.01715.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <43600B74.9080306@bigfoot.com> Nigel Henry wrote: > On Wednesday 26 October 2005 20:27, Lee Revell wrote: > >>On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 19:23 +0000, Nigel Henry wrote: >> >>>Hi Mark. I've got as far as emerge -pv om. Unfortunately I've lost the >>>syntax for a one shot unmask for a single package. I need to unmask om >>>which is being masked by -x86 keyword. Nigel. >> >>Can you fix your system clock? The dates on your messages are off by >>several hours. >> >>Lee > > > Don't know. I've put a new battery in with plenty of shelf life, but the damn > clock has again lost more than 3 hrs in the last 4 days. Apart from resetting > it each time I bootup, I can't think of a fix. The smoothwall express2 gets > it's time updates from a time server, but I'm not sure how to set that up on > this old Gateway 500 I use for emails. Nigel. you can use ntp to fix time issue (it keeps checking against well known time servers and computes drift etc.) erik From smassy at sdf.lonestar.org Wed Oct 26 19:43:49 2005 From: smassy at sdf.lonestar.org (S. Massy) Date: Wed Oct 26 19:44:04 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Non-graphical synthesiser solution? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510261422h1f2477d1h626ffd78415f3d2c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20051026033955.GA29205@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <8d27a0610510261406lfa4a63el7d60567874b7578d@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0510261422h1f2477d1h626ffd78415f3d2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051026234349.GA9945@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Thanks, folks. I'm going to look into the most interesting of your suggestions and figure out which might be best for me. The world of free digital synthesis is alive indeed! S.M. On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 02:22:37PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 10/25/05, S. Massy wrote: > > > Hi there, > > > > > > I am toying with the idea to re-start playing with digital synthesis > > > once again (haven't done so in a while now). Judging by the number of > > > synth packages in the Debian archive, there is more than a few out > > > there; however, most of them (bristol, ams, etc.) seem to be > > > GUI-controlled (and hence require an x-server), which is not very > > > practical for me. I can think of a few ways to rig up a modular synth > > > with, say, ecasound, jack, and aconnect, but I was wondering if there is > > > any programme, package, or idea already out there to make this easier. I > > > also started playing with SuperCollider today, but language-driven > > > synthesis are, by necessity, more of a long-term endavour, and, right > > > now, I'm looking for more of a modular synth solution, especially > > > LADSPA-driven. Any idea? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > S.M. > > As an alternative to Super Collider you might look into Chuck. On the > surface it seems like an interesting alternative and possibly a bit > more manageable than SC, but again it's a language so it might take > more time than you want to invest: > > http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ > > Anyway, even if you don't use I think it's interesting to know about. > > Take care, > Mark > > -- smassy@sdf.lonestar.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Oct 26 19:49:15 2005 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Oct 26 19:50:25 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music apps being removed with Sarge/Etch updates In-Reply-To: <200510250040.01715.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200510251923.42937.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1130358434.4483.129.camel@mindpipe> <200510250040.01715.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <1130370555.4483.159.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 00:40 +0000, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Wednesday 26 October 2005 20:27, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 19:23 +0000, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > Hi Mark. I've got as far as emerge -pv om. Unfortunately I've lost the > > > syntax for a one shot unmask for a single package. I need to unmask om > > > which is being masked by -x86 keyword. Nigel. > > > > Can you fix your system clock? The dates on your messages are off by > > several hours. > > > > Lee > > Don't know. I've put a new battery in with plenty of shelf life, but the damn > clock has again lost more than 3 hrs in the last 4 days. Apart from resetting > it each time I bootup, I can't think of a fix. The smoothwall express2 gets > it's time updates from a time server, but I'm not sure how to set that up on > this old Gateway 500 I use for emails. Nigel. > apt-get install ntpd From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Wed Oct 26 11:00:17 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Wed Oct 26 22:43:15 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <1130331176.7207.15.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> References: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> <200510260217.10892.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <1130331176.7207.15.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <200510261700.18908.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> El Mi?rcoles, 26 de Octubre de 2005 14:52, Lars Luthman escribi?: > /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk > osc.udp://localhost:19605/dssi/sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00 > sineshaper.so sineshaper Testing > > where you replace osc.udp://localhost:19605/ with the OSC URL that > ghostess printed for you, and sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00 with the > plugin path that ghostess printed for you. Ghostess should now print > something similar to Ok, I tried with: /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk osc.udp://Musix_GNU+Linux:17067/dssi/sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00 sineshaper.so sineshaper Testing Violaci?n de segmento Translated: "Segmentation Fault" Oh, no... :( I will mail you an strace with it's output I hope not to bother you... -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) fecha: mi? oct 26 16:10:03 CEST 2005 ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From fbar at footils.org Thu Oct 27 03:37:40 2005 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Oct 27 03:42:08 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] m-audio Trigger Finger: Plug'n'play :) In-Reply-To: <200510262308.24543.ce@christeck.de> References: <200510262112.42716.ce@christeck.de> <20051026195342.GN19147@fliwatut.scifi> <200510262308.24543.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20051027073740.GS19147@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Christoph Eckert hat gesagt: // Christoph Eckert wrote: > check out the software section at christeck.de ;-) . Oh! :) > But it is a one way tool: Configure in the PC and send it to the device. > Chagning the device settings and getting it loaded into the PC seems to > be done by Enigma via special USB commands instead of a sysex request. I subpected that at some point, the device would go through USB instead of Midi. Does M-Audio/Evolution maybe provide any info on that side? It may not be too hard to make a utility using libusb etc. that could upload the settings to the Enigma-supported devices. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Oct 27 07:26:23 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Oct 27 07:15:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour/TAP reverb problem Message-ID: <4360B95F.3080808@woh.rr.com> Greetings: While recording a session with Ardour I noticed that when I use the TAP reverb any "movement" action such as relocating the playback cursor or moving a region results in a truly horrible noise when the action is completed. Is this a known problem ? Ardour 0.99 (my my own build on Planet C RH9), JACK 0.99. Audio interface card is a Delta 66. Best, dp From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Thu Oct 27 08:33:41 2005 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Thu Oct 27 08:32:31 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <200510261700.18908.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> References: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> <200510260217.10892.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <1130331176.7207.15.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> <200510261700.18908.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <1130416421.8177.6.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 17:00 +0200, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > Ok, I tried with: > > /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk > osc.udp://Musix_GNU+Linux:17067/dssi/sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00 > sineshaper.so sineshaper Testing > > Violaci?n de segmento > > Translated: > "Segmentation Fault" > > Oh, no... :( No, this is good - segmentation faults are often a lot easier to debug than a program that doesn't crash but still doesn't do what it's supposed to do. A backtrace would be very useful. You can get one by running 'gdb /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk core.*' and then typing 'bt full' (where core.* is the name of the dumped core file which should have been generated when you got the segmentation fault, if you didn't get a core file you can try running the command 'ulimit -c unlimited' in the shell and then run the GUI again, with the same arguments as last time). -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Source[Audio 1-4%R.wav]: cannot read peak data from peakfile (256 peaks instead of 288) (Success) at start_byte = 114432 _length = 3735552 expected maxpeaks = 288 npeaks was 288 Source[Audio 1-4%R.wav]: cannot read peak data from peakfile (256 peaks instead of 288) (Resource temporarily unavailable) at start_byte = 157440 _length = 5111808 expected maxpeaks = 288 npeaks was 288 Source[Audio 1-4%R.wav]: cannot read peak data from peakfile (896 peaks instead of 368) (Resource temporarily unavailable) at start_byte = 253056 _length = 8192000 expected maxpeaks = 368 npeaks was 368 zombified - calling shutdown handler could not attach as client (duplicate client name?) could not attach as client (duplicate client name?) MESSAGES: [ERROR]: failed to connect to JACK [ERROR]: failed to connect to JACK THIS HAPPENED: at stopping an 4 Stereo Channel Recording after 27mins, on a debian testing powerpc G3, using a hdsp and qjackctl with the following settings (taken from .jackdrc): /usr/bin/jackd -v -R -p64 -dalsa -r44100 -p512 -n2 -D -Chw:1 -Phw:1 -i18 -o18 I must say that i record onto an external firewire drive though, so this might be an issue here... The recordings seem ok, but i can only do a reconnect after restarting jack. Any suggestions are very welcome! regards, Peter From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Thu Oct 27 10:36:32 2005 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Thu Oct 27 10:36:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour/TAP reverb problem In-Reply-To: <4360B95F.3080808@woh.rr.com> References: <4360B95F.3080808@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4360E5F0.4020307@sympatico.ca> Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > While recording a session with Ardour I noticed that when I use the > TAP reverb any "movement" action such as relocating the playback > cursor or moving a region results in a truly horrible noise when the > action is completed. > > Is this a known problem ? > > Ardour 0.99 (my my own build on Planet C RH9), JACK 0.99. Audio > interface card is a Delta 66. > > Best, > > dp > This is a know problem and supposedly it was fixed in the latest version of Ardour. I remember having the same behavior using Freeverb but since the release of 0.99 it disappeared. Maybe you should report this in the ardour list. cheers! Hector From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Oct 27 12:25:11 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Oct 27 12:14:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour/TAP reverb problem In-Reply-To: <4360E5F0.4020307@sympatico.ca> References: <4360B95F.3080808@woh.rr.com> <4360E5F0.4020307@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4360FF67.8030501@woh.rr.com> Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > Dave Phillips wrote: > >> Greetings: >> >> While recording a session with Ardour I noticed that when I use the >> TAP reverb any "movement" action such as relocating the playback >> cursor or moving a region results in a truly horrible noise when the >> action is completed. >> >> Is this a known problem ? >> >> Ardour 0.99 (my my own build on Planet C RH9), JACK 0.99. Audio >> interface card is a Delta 66. >> >> Best, >> >> dp >> > > This is a know problem and supposedly it was fixed in the latest > version of Ardour. I remember having the same behavior using Freeverb > but since the release of 0.99 it disappeared. Maybe you should report > this in the ardour list. > > cheers! > > > Hector > Thanks, Hector. I did post to the Ardour list, haven't heard anything from anyone yet but I only receive the digest. If there's a patch available I'll recompile Ardour this afternoon. Best, dp From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Oct 27 12:28:10 2005 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Oct 27 12:38:22 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour/TAP reverb problem In-Reply-To: <4360FF67.8030501@woh.rr.com> References: <4360B95F.3080808@woh.rr.com> <4360E5F0.4020307@sympatico.ca> <4360FF67.8030501@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1130430490.7712.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Thanks, Hector. I did post to the Ardour list, haven't heard anything > from anyone yet but I only receive the digest. If there's a patch > available I'll recompile Ardour this afternoon. no patches, no changes till the gtk2 port is done (or least compiling) --p From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Oct 27 14:51:14 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Oct 27 12:51:36 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music apps being removed with Sarge/Etch updates In-Reply-To: <1130370555.4483.159.camel@mindpipe> References: <200510241550.59864.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200510250040.01715.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1130370555.4483.159.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200510271851.15210.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 26 October 2005 23:49, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 00:40 +0000, Nigel Henry wrote: > > On Wednesday 26 October 2005 20:27, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 19:23 +0000, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > Hi Mark. I've got as far as emerge -pv om. Unfortunately I've lost > > > > the syntax for a one shot unmask for a single package. I need to > > > > unmask om which is being masked by -x86 keyword. Nigel. > > > > > > Can you fix your system clock? The dates on your messages are off by > > > several hours. > > > > > > Lee > > > > Don't know. I've put a new battery in with plenty of shelf life, but the > > damn clock has again lost more than 3 hrs in the last 4 days. Apart from > > resetting it each time I bootup, I can't think of a fix. The smoothwall > > express2 gets it's time updates from a time server, but I'm not sure how > > to set that up on this old Gateway 500 I use for emails. Nigel. > > apt-get install ntpd Hi Lee. I do apologise for the problems with my clock. I never realised that it was 2 days behind. I can't get ntpd from Fedora, and tried dag's site as well. I'm getting time updates using npt on the Smoothwall firewall, and have asked at the smoothwall forum if there's a way to synch my client machines to the firewalls RTC. The time (I hope) is right at the moment. If there is no way to synch to the firewalls RTC, I will have to install ntp, at least on the Gateway machine. The other one seems to be keeping time ok. Poor o'l Gateway's probably reaching EOL. The cd writer has recently thrown in the towel, and now the floppy drive works when it feels like it. Nigel. From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 13:37:27 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Oct 27 13:37:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour/TAP reverb problem In-Reply-To: <4360FF67.8030501@woh.rr.com> References: <4360B95F.3080808@woh.rr.com> <4360E5F0.4020307@sympatico.ca> <4360FF67.8030501@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510271037r1ee2fb67k7aefe802a2128b24@mail.gmail.com> On 10/27/05, Dave Phillips wrote: > Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > > > Dave Phillips wrote: > > > >> Greetings: > >> > >> While recording a session with Ardour I noticed that when I use the > >> TAP reverb any "movement" action such as relocating the playback > >> cursor or moving a region results in a truly horrible noise when the > >> action is completed. > >> > >> Is this a known problem ? > >> > >> Ardour 0.99 (my my own build on Planet C RH9), JACK 0.99. Audio > >> interface card is a Delta 66. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> dp > >> > > > > This is a know problem and supposedly it was fixed in the latest > > version of Ardour. I remember having the same behavior using Freeverb > > but since the release of 0.99 it disappeared. Maybe you should report > > this in the ardour list. > > > > cheers! > > > > > > Hector > > > Thanks, Hector. I did post to the Ardour list, haven't heard anything > from anyone yet but I only receive the digest. If there's a patch > available I'll recompile Ardour this afternoon. > > Best, > > dp Is this a TAP only problem? If you've tested any other reverb and found it doesn't do it, then maybe there's good reason to flag this to Tom and get a fix to the plugin instead of to Ardour? Cheers, Mark From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Oct 27 16:25:10 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Oct 27 16:14:41 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour/TAP reverb problem In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510271037r1ee2fb67k7aefe802a2128b24@mail.gmail.com> References: <4360B95F.3080808@woh.rr.com> <4360E5F0.4020307@sympatico.ca> <4360FF67.8030501@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510271037r1ee2fb67k7aefe802a2128b24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <436137A6.2020403@woh.rr.com> Mark Knecht wrote: >On 10/27/05, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >>Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: >> >> >> >>>Dave Phillips wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Greetings: >>>> >>>> While recording a session with Ardour I noticed that when I use the >>>>TAP reverb any "movement" action such as relocating the playback >>>>cursor or moving a region results in a truly horrible noise when the >>>>action is completed. >>>> >>>> Is this a known problem ? >>>> >>>> Ardour 0.99 (my my own build on Planet C RH9), JACK 0.99. Audio >>>>interface card is a Delta 66. >>>> >>>>Best, >>>> >>>>dp >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>This is a know problem and supposedly it was fixed in the latest >>>version of Ardour. I remember having the same behavior using Freeverb >>>but since the release of 0.99 it disappeared. Maybe you should report >>>this in the ardour list. >>> >>>cheers! >>> >>> >>>Hector >>> >>> >>> >>Thanks, Hector. I did post to the Ardour list, haven't heard anything >>from anyone yet but I only receive the digest. If there's a patch >>available I'll recompile Ardour this afternoon. >> >>Best, >> >>dp >> >> > >Is this a TAP only problem? If you've tested any other reverb and >found it doesn't do it, then maybe there's good reason to flag this to >Tom and get a fix to the plugin instead of to Ardour? > >Cheers, >Mark > > > Hi Mark: IIRC the TAP reverb was the only one I tried. I'll try some others this evening and report back after I'm finished teaching. Best, dp From tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net Thu Oct 27 17:27:01 2005 From: tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net (Tom Szilagyi) Date: Thu Oct 27 17:27:59 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour/TAP reverb problem In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0510271037r1ee2fb67k7aefe802a2128b24@mail.gmail.com> References: <4360B95F.3080808@woh.rr.com> <4360E5F0.4020307@sympatico.ca> <4360FF67.8030501@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510271037r1ee2fb67k7aefe802a2128b24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051027212701.GA26800@r51> On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 10:37:27AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Is this a TAP only problem? If you've tested any other reverb and > found it doesn't do it, then maybe there's good reason to flag this to > Tom and get a fix to the plugin instead of to Ardour? Hi, IIRC at some point it has been confirmed that there was a problem with Ardour that was maybe fixed, but I'm not sure what exactly is the state of things today. There's a good chance that it's already fixed in the latest, or if not, will be fixed in the upcoming GTK2 version of Ardour. I also recall people reporting the problem with other reverb-type plugins. Tom From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 17:58:09 2005 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Oct 27 17:58:16 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour/TAP reverb problem In-Reply-To: <20051027212701.GA26800@r51> References: <4360B95F.3080808@woh.rr.com> <4360E5F0.4020307@sympatico.ca> <4360FF67.8030501@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510271037r1ee2fb67k7aefe802a2128b24@mail.gmail.com> <20051027212701.GA26800@r51> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0510271458p1e2c860fk4db642e0a02b10b1@mail.gmail.com> On 10/27/05, Tom Szilagyi wrote: > On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 10:37:27AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > Is this a TAP only problem? If you've tested any other reverb and > > found it doesn't do it, then maybe there's good reason to flag this to > > Tom and get a fix to the plugin instead of to Ardour? > > Hi, > > IIRC at some point it has been confirmed that there was a problem with > Ardour that was maybe fixed, but I'm not sure what exactly is the > state of things today. There's a good chance that it's already fixed > in the latest, or if not, will be fixed in the upcoming GTK2 version > of Ardour. > > I also recall people reporting the problem with other reverb-type > plugins. > > > Tom Yes, Paul has acknowledged a problem, but there is no fix yet and the GTK2 version is probably quite a ways away. However, if the problem exists with other plugins then there is no reason for you to look at this at all. I was only making a point. cheers, Mark From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Oct 27 20:07:02 2005 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Oct 27 18:08:37 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> References: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <200510280007.02240.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 23 October 2005 19:40, Lars Luthman wrote: > The Sineshaper is a monophonic DSSI synth. This is the first release. > Source tarball, screenshot and Vorbis demo are available here: > http://ll-plugins.sf.net. The knob graphics are created by Thorsten > Wilms and Peter Shorthose. > > The Sineshaper synth has two sine oscillators and two waveshapers. > The sound from the two oscillators is mixed and passed through the > waveshapers, first through the first waveshaper and then the second. > You can control the tuning of both oscillators as well as their > relative loudness, and the total amount of shaping and the fraction of > that amount that each shaper applies. Both waveshapers use a sine > function for shaping the sound, but for the second shaper you can shift > the sine function (with maximal shift it becomes a cosine function) to > produce a different sound. > > You can also add vibrato and tremolo, and change the ADSR envelope > that controls the amplitude and shape amount (as well as setting the > envelope sensitivity for both the amplifier and the shapers). There > is also a "Drive" control that adds distorsion, and a feedback delay > with controllable delay time and feedback amount. All control parameters > can be changed using MIDI. > > The Sineshaper synth comes with some presets that you can play or use > as starting points for your own synth settings. You can not change > these "factory presets", but you can create and save your own presets. > They are written to the file .sineshaperpresets in your home directory. > If you make any nice presets I would really like to hear them. HI Lars. I'm having a lot of problems getting Sineshaper installed on FC2 or FC3. The dependencies go back as far as libsigc++-2.0.15. This installs ok, but as the site has no devel package for it, I have no .pc file for pkgconfig to find. Could you tell me what distro you're running Sineshaper on, and how to handle the dependencies. The dependencies end at libsigc++-2.0.15, then, glibmm-2.8.0, then gtkmm-2.8.0, then, libglademm-2.6.0, then. Sineshaper-0.4.0. I'm not complaining. I'd just like to get it working as some reports say it has a unique sound. All the best. Nigel. From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Thu Oct 27 20:08:55 2005 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Thu Oct 27 20:07:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <200510280007.02240.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> <200510280007.02240.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <1130458135.8177.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> On Fri, 2005-10-28 at 00:07 +0000, Nigel Henry wrote: > HI Lars. I'm having a lot of problems getting Sineshaper installed on FC2 or > FC3. The dependencies go back as far as libsigc++-2.0.15. This installs ok, > but as the site has no devel package for it, I have no .pc file for pkgconfig > to find. Could you tell me what distro you're running Sineshaper on, and how > to handle the dependencies. The dependencies end at libsigc++-2.0.15, then, > glibmm-2.8.0, then gtkmm-2.8.0, then, libglademm-2.6.0, then. > Sineshaper-0.4.0. I'm not complaining. I'd just like to get it working as > some reports say it has a unique sound. All the best. Nigel. I'm using Mandriva 2006.0. With the URPMI mirrors set up correctly the command 'urpmi liblo-devel libglademm-devel' should be enough to install all the build dependencies (except the DSSI header which I don't think is in any official Mandrake package yet). But it sounds very strange that Fedora doesn't have a development package for libsigc++ 2.0. That would mean that you'd have to build and install development packages for glibmm, gtkmm, and glademm yourself. -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051028/c538e846/attachment.bin From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Oct 28 00:03:40 2005 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Oct 27 23:53:20 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour/TAP reverb problem In-Reply-To: <20051027212701.GA26800@r51> References: <4360B95F.3080808@woh.rr.com> <4360E5F0.4020307@sympatico.ca> <4360FF67.8030501@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0510271037r1ee2fb67k7aefe802a2128b24@mail.gmail.com> <20051027212701.GA26800@r51> Message-ID: <4361A31C.7000400@woh.rr.com> Tom Szilagyi wrote: >On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 10:37:27AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > >>Is this a TAP only problem? If you've tested any other reverb and >>found it doesn't do it, then maybe there's good reason to flag this to >>Tom and get a fix to the plugin instead of to Ardour? >> >> > >Hi, > >IIRC at some point it has been confirmed that there was a problem with >Ardour that was maybe fixed, but I'm not sure what exactly is the >state of things today. There's a good chance that it's already fixed >in the latest, or if not, will be fixed in the upcoming GTK2 version >of Ardour. > >I also recall people reporting the problem with other reverb-type >plugins. > > >Tom > > > Hi Tom, hi Mark: Okay, I just reloaded the kid's Ardour session from last night. All plugins were intact and just as I last saved them. I did the things that caused the noise problem (moved a track, relocated playback cursor, etc). No noise. Everything was fine. ... I'm going to bed now. Best, dp From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Fri Oct 28 00:05:28 2005 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Fri Oct 28 00:23:21 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] m-audio Trigger Finger: Plug'n'play :) In-Reply-To: <200510262308.24543.ce@christeck.de> References: <200510262112.42716.ce@christeck.de> <20051026195342.GN19147@fliwatut.scifi> <200510262308.24543.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1130472328.2797.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-26-10 at 23:08 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > I also have a Behringer V-amp guitar amp emulator and some parameters > only are accessible via software. This was the starting point for my > little project: Learn some C++ and then create a bank manager for my > devices and some editors, mainly the Behringer one, but I've been asked > about a programmer for the FCB 1010, a MIDI foot controller for > guitarists. http://www.nongnu.org/freevamp/ Needs a port to Alsa though -DR- From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 03:02:08 2005 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri Oct 28 03:01:52 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] chuck - what's the catch Message-ID: <4361CCF0.3090403@gmail.com> Hi I'm an oldtime csounder, that never found time to figure out pd or supercollider. Recently I enjoyed ams and om. Now, yesterday I found out about chuck. Seems very interresting, nicely documented and I was able to build it and run examples in minutes. So what's the catch? Why do we hardly ever hear anything about chuck here? Anyone here uses it? How does it compare to the rest (esp textdriven) "synths"? Hope someone could enlighten me:-) -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From ix at replic.net Fri Oct 28 03:28:58 2005 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Fri Oct 28 03:26:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: chuck - whats the catch? Message-ID: <20051028072858.GA2754@replic.net> mainly we're waiting for an audicle download link hello santA? From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Oct 28 04:33:56 2005 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Oct 28 04:22:57 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: A New Tune In-Reply-To: References: <433D0CA7.7010305@eircom.net> <1128174178.6912.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <433EB206.8010301@eircom.net> <20051001163916.GY17143@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <20051028083355.GB10207@phlunky.Belkin> On Wed, 26 Oct, 2005 at 01:05PM +0400, Arioch spake thus: > Hans Fugal ?????: > >It's easier to just encode, then add the comments with a file and the > >vorbiscomments program. > > ...or some player like amaroK, though this can only add usual tags, not > custom ones. > > Guess there is to be some Common Creative license in tags :-) > > I wonder, is there any free music repository out there ? > For example AltLinux distro compiled 2 CD's with free (as in beer) > music, but this will hardly be reused by any other distro and so forth. RadIO, opsound, machinehasnoagenda, etc? I'll add URLs if you don't already know what these are. Rushed right now. > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Oct 28 05:15:51 2005 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Oct 28 05:15:56 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Dead good music Message-ID: <200510281015.51638.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Hi all, To celebrate Hallowe'en / Samhain I have uploaded three remastered tracks to AGNULA libre music - I fully confess that these pieces were not made with Linux or any other computer system, they were recorded on a 4-track cassette machine, but they were remastered using JAMin on DeMuDi. So, to celebrate our loved ones who have passed into the other realms I offer these three pieces: http://muzik.agnula.org/view.php?view=track&id=2482 http://muzik.agnula.org/view.php?view=track&id=2481 http://muzik.agnula.org/view.php?view=track&id=2483 Possibly _not_ for the faint hearted. ;] -- please enjoy freely! tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Fri Oct 28 02:03:22 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Fri Oct 28 07:03:45 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Spanish song made with Ardour 0.99-3 Message-ID: <200510280803.23123.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> http://www.pc-musica.com.ar/ogg/Ansiedad-master3--q1--Marcos-Guglielmetti-Musix-Ardour.ogg ?Hola! Este es mi 1? proyecto medianamente complejo grabado en Ardour con Musix GNU+Linux. Es una canci?n en castellano. Fue grabado primero secuenciando con Rosegarden utilizando Zynaddsubfx para bajo, teclados, distorsiones... y al mismo tiempo utilizando Hydrogen para la percusi?n. Luego traslad? las bases a Ardour 0.99-3 y grab? las voces. Fueron un total de 9 pistas de audio, y algo as? como 10 pistas MIDI. Tuve algunos problemas de desconexi?n con Ardour hasta que le "agarr? la mano"... a?n as?, no s? si algunos problemas se deben a que no es una versi?n 1.0 o a que hay cosas que a?n no entiendo. Sea como fuere pude grabar felizmente, encadenando m?s de 7 efectos por pista si era necesario: compuerta, ecualizador de 15 bandas, compresor, limitador, flanger, de-esser, reverb, tape delay, etc. El resultado provisorio lo pueden escuchar en: http://www.pc-musica.com.ar/ogg/Ansiedad-master3--q1--Marcos-Guglielmetti-Musix-Ardour.ogg -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) fecha: vie oct 28 07:25:02 CEST 2005 ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Fri Oct 28 02:55:07 2005 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Fri Oct 28 07:51:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <1130416421.8177.6.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> References: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> <200510261700.18908.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <1130416421.8177.6.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <200510280855.09034.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> On Thursday 27 October 2005 14:33, Lars Luthman wrote: > On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 17:00 +0200, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > Ok, I tried with: > > > > /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk > > osc.udp://Musix_GNU+Linux:17067/dssi/sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00 > > sineshaper.so sineshaper Testing > > > > Violaci?n de segmento > > > > Translated: > > "Segmentation Fault" > > > > Oh, no... :( > > No, this is good - segmentation faults are often a lot easier to debug > than a program that doesn't crash but still doesn't do what it's > supposed to do. > > A backtrace would be very useful. You can get one by running > 'gdb /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk core.*' and then typing 'bt > full' (where core.* is the name of the dumped core file which should > have been generated when you got the segmentation fault, if you didn't > get a core file you can try running the command 'ulimit -c unlimited' in > the shell and then run the GUI again, with the same arguments as last > time). Now it did not produced segmentation fault (but it didn't work too), details are into "prueba" file -- Marcos fecha: vie oct 28 07:25:02 CEST 2005 -------------- next part -------------- I one terminal I did: # ulimit -c unlimited # ghostess -debug -1 /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper.so ghostess: ghostess starting... ghostess: debug level now ffffffff ghostess: instance 0 on channel 0, plugin 0 is 'sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00' ghostess: host OSC URL is osc.udp://Musix_GNU+Linux:11425/ ghostess sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00: program 8 is MIDI bank 0 program 8, named 'Nasty' ghostess sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00: program 7 is MIDI bank 0 program 7, named 'Cosineshaper' ghostess sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00: program 6 is MIDI bank 0 program 6, named 'Noisy' ghostess sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00: program 5 is MIDI bank 0 program 5, named 'Clean' ghostess sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00: program 4 is MIDI bank 0 program 4, named 'Soft' ghostess sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00: program 3 is MIDI bank 0 program 3, named 'Bright' ghostess sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00: program 2 is MIDI bank 0 program 2, named 'Woodpecker' ghostess sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00: program 1 is MIDI bank 0 program 1, named 'Tremolo pad' ghostess sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00: program 0 is MIDI bank 0 program 0, named 'Default' ghostess ready In another terminal: /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk osc.udp://Musix_GNU+Linux:17067/dssi/sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00 sineshaper.so sineshaper Testing But now I didn't got any error! (segmentation fault), and the GUI is still not working... I am lost... From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Oct 28 08:49:25 2005 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Oct 28 08:38:28 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cheesetracker patch Message-ID: <20051028124925.GF10207@phlunky.Belkin> I've written a simple patch to add info on the real-time capabilities of LADSPA plugins in CheeseTracker. I know I seem to be the only CheeseTracker user on the lists, but just in case... http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2005/10/cheesetracker-patch.html -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From erikd at mega-nerd.com Fri Oct 28 09:33:33 2005 From: erikd at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Fri Oct 28 09:33:50 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Software for Sine Wave Generation In-Reply-To: <20051005082414.GB4162@fliwatut.scifi> References: <200510042300.11226.dwdraw@bellsouth.net> <20051005040826.GA9530@sentiment.domain_not_set.invalid> <20051005082414.GB4162@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20051028233333.246245df.erikd@mega-nerd.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > dmotd hat gesagt: // dmotd wrote: > > > sounds like the perfect job for supercollider:: > > http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/ > > Or Pd: www.puredata.org Or ChucK: http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Journalist: Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has finally said Linux is the No. 1 threat to Windows. What's your response to that? Linus : "Tag, you're it." I don't care. They've had a lot of enemies in their time. Let them fight one enemy that doesn't care for a change. From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Fri Oct 28 09:34:15 2005 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Fri Oct 28 09:34:29 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Software for Sine Wave Generation In-Reply-To: <20051005082414.GB4162@fliwatut.scifi> References: <200510042300.11226.dwdraw@bellsouth.net> <20051005040826.GA9530@sentiment.domain_not_set.invalid> <20051005082414.GB4162@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20051028233415.5b56a9c6.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > dmotd hat gesagt: // dmotd wrote: > > > sounds like the perfect job for supercollider:: > > http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/ > > Or Pd: www.puredata.org Or ChucK: http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Journalist: Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has finally said Linux is the No. 1 threat to Windows. What's your response to that? Linus : "Tag, you're it." I don't care. They've had a lot of enemies in their time. Let them fight one enemy that doesn't care for a change. From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Fri Oct 28 10:25:40 2005 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Fri Oct 28 10:24:30 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sineshaper 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <200510280855.09034.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> References: <1130096438.7258.16.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> <200510261700.18908.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <1130416421.8177.6.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> <200510280855.09034.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <1130509540.8173.4.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> On Fri, 2005-10-28 at 08:55 +0200, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > I one terminal I did: > > # ulimit -c unlimited > # ghostess -debug -1 /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper.so > > ghostess: ghostess starting... > ghostess: debug level now ffffffff > ghostess: instance 0 on channel 0, plugin 0 is 'sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00' > ghostess: host OSC URL is osc.udp://Musix_GNU+Linux:11425/ > ghostess sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00: program 8 is MIDI bank 0 program 8, named 'Nasty' > ghostess sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00: program 7 is MIDI bank 0 program 7, named 'Cosineshaper' > ghostess sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00: program 6 is MIDI bank 0 program 6, named 'Noisy' > ghostess sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00: program 5 is MIDI bank 0 program 5, named 'Clean' > ghostess sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00: program 4 is MIDI bank 0 program 4, named 'Soft' > ghostess sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00: program 3 is MIDI bank 0 program 3, named 'Bright' > ghostess sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00: program 2 is MIDI bank 0 program 2, named 'Woodpecker' > ghostess sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00: program 1 is MIDI bank 0 program 1, named 'Tremolo pad' > ghostess sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00: program 0 is MIDI bank 0 program 0, named 'Default' > ghostess ready > > > In another terminal: > > /usr/lib/dssi/sineshaper/sineshaper_gtk osc.udp://Musix_GNU +Linux:17067/dssi/sineshaper/ll-sineshaper/inst00 sineshaper.so sineshaper Testing > > But now I didn't got any error! (segmentation fault), and the GUI is > still not working... I am lost... Two problems: You need to run 'ulimit -c unlimited' in the shell that you start sineshaper_gtk in, not the one that you start ghostess in (ulimit settings are not global, they only affect the current shell and any child processes of that shell), and you need to run sineshaper_gtk with the URL that ghostess prints, otherwise it won't be able to connect to ghostess (you are using port 17067 for sineshaper_gtk but ghostess says that it's running on port 11425). -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20051028/edaadfaa/attachment-0001.bin From gewang at CS.Princeton.EDU Fri Oct 28 13:07:04 2005 From: gewang at CS.Princeton.EDU (Ge Wang) Date: Fri Oct 28 13:03:48 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] chuck - what's the catch In-Reply-To: <4361CCF0.3090403@gmail.com> References: <4361CCF0.3090403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0c9a98b97d9129a88065e892c19eb44b@cs.princeton.edu> Hi Atte and all! > Now, yesterday I found out about chuck. Seems very interresting, > nicely documented and I was able to build it and run examples in > minutes. So what's the catch? Why do we hardly ever hear anything > about chuck here? Anyone here uses it? How does it compare to the rest > (esp textdriven) "synths"? chuck is still quite young and is moving full speed ahead in development (in # of new features and new bugs). Only recently did chuck become more jack-friendly. some (anti-)salient points (you probably already come across these): - high degree of control over time and concurrency - time == sound - no fixed control -> time is completely determined by programmer - concurrency and timing are sample-synchronous - straightforward to read and write - deterministic - currently not very optimized - throughput is potentially worse compared to other systems (it is also possible to use in non real time mode with --silent flag) - more ugen's and class library needed (due to the control over low-level timing, many DSP algorithms can be programmed directly in the language without externals, at least that is the idea) We are not sure how many folks here use chuck. There seem to be a growing number of people firing up chuck on various platforms, but one of the main hurdles is not the language itself, but the command line interface required (for now) to operate chuck. However, this obviously shouldn't be a problem for linux users... Graphical + gui editors and environments are in the works and due out this winter. Best, Ge! From gewang at CS.Princeton.EDU Fri Oct 28 13:16:06 2005 From: gewang at CS.Princeton.EDU (Ge Wang) Date: Fri Oct 28 13:12:28 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: chuck - whats the catch? In-Reply-To: <20051028072858.GA2754@replic.net> References: <20051028072858.GA2754@replic.net> Message-ID: <65a66fe1f2ef307076f6d7036abfefbc@cs.princeton.edu> > mainly we're waiting for an audicle download link > hello santA? yes, the audicle is scheduled to be released this Christmas... for those who may be wondering what an audicle is: http://audicle.cs.princeton.edu/ the audicle is opengl-based. we are also working on audicle--, native gui-based environment for running and editing chuck (with syntax highlighting and eventually completion) that is also to be released at the same time. we are looking for beta-testers starting next month. please let us know if you are interested. Be good. Santa's elf From ce at christeck.de Fri Oct 28 14:51:41 2005 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri Oct 28 14:45:38 2005 Subject: [linux-audio-user] m-audio Trigger Finger: Plug'n'play :) In-Reply-To: <1130472328.2797.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200510262112.42716.ce@christeck.de> <200510262308.24543.ce@christeck.de> <1130472328.2797.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200510282051.42725.ce@christeck.de> > http://www.nongnu.org/freevamp/ > > Needs a port to Alsa though Thanks for the pointer, Dave. Well, I tried it before I started programming, and the OSS thingy was a prob because my multiport MIDI device doesn't work with OSS. Best regards ce From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Oct 28 1