From epprecht at solnet.ch Sat Apr 1 01:00:45 2006 From: epprecht at solnet.ch (Robert Epprecht) Date: Sat Apr 1 01:08:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: midi note numbers In-Reply-To: <20060330204122.GF5963@pro-ns.net> (Steve Wahl's message of "Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:41:22 -0600") References: <442A90DD.7000605@gmail.com> <200603291837.33249.ce@christeck.de> <8d27a0610603291016k3c54297dp78933d800d228940@mail.gmail.com> <86d5g3u51z.fsf@solnet.ch> <20060330204122.GF5963@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <86y7yp3kdu.fsf@solnet.ch> Steve Wahl writes: > On Thu, Mar 30, 2006 at 09:05:12PM +0200, Robert Epprecht wrote: >> "Paul Coccoli" writes: >> >> > Just like how some apps use MIDI channels 0-15 and others 1-16. >> > Totally irritating. >> >> I was just thinking about this these days (as I started to write a >> simple midi editor for some of my gear). First I used 0-15, then >> I saw that all my midi related books and documents use 1-16 so I >> changed it, but now I see that I don't like it... > > I think there used to be a draft of the MIDI spec around on the > internet that you could get (instead of paying the $50+ to get it from > the MIDI people). I printed it out, don't know where it is, and I > can't find the file now. Sorry. I couldn't find that yet. Would be very interesting though. > I believe the standard actually specifies that the human readable > version of the channel numbers would be 1 based (1-16) [...] Yes, I think this is the case. > If it was me, I'd display both the Channel numbers and the Patch / > Program change numbers as 1 based (1-16 and 1-128, respectively), > because I know my two synths (Roland and Ensoniq) agree with this. I think I make that the default, with the option to switch to 0-15 if I ever have midi gear that displays it this way. Displaying names instead of numbers would also be an option (i.e. XY-Synth Z-Synth) Thank you for the very nice links you gave us. > http://www.borg.com/~jglatt/tech/midispec.htm > http://www.gweep.net/~prefect/eng/reference/protocol/midispec.html > http://www.ibiblio.org/emusic-l/info-docs-FAQs/MIDI-doc/MIDI-Primer.txt > http://www.harmony-central.com/MIDI/Doc/table2.html > http://www.harmony-central.com/MIDI/Doc/doc.html Robert Epprecht From florin at andrei.myip.org Sat Apr 1 01:28:12 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sat Apr 1 01:28:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with free software In-Reply-To: <1143837213.5765.3.camel@zon> References: <1143837213.5765.3.camel@zon> Message-ID: <1143872892.2449.17.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 22:33 +0200, Rik Baeten wrote: > > You can listen to a song I made with free software: > http://www.ikrik.org/music Well done. Tighten up that piano a little bit and it's ready for broadcast. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sat Apr 1 02:48:06 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sat Apr 1 02:46:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music! Message-ID: <20060401074806.GF10133@phlunky.Belkin> http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/04/bombing.html A quickly bashed track to keep my hand in. -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sat Apr 1 03:02:48 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sat Apr 1 03:01:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with free software In-Reply-To: <1143837213.5765.3.camel@zon> References: <1143837213.5765.3.camel@zon> Message-ID: <20060401080248.GI10133@phlunky.Belkin> On Fri, 31 Mar, 2006 at 10:33PM +0200, Rik Baeten spake thus: > Hey, > > You can listen to a song I made with free software: > http://www.ikrik.org/music Nice! I like that a lot. > byebye, > Rik > > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From eric at zhevny.com Sat Apr 1 03:02:59 2006 From: eric at zhevny.com (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Sat Apr 1 03:03:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] question about jackd/qjackctl options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <442E33B3.4060105@zhevny.com> Jack O'Quin wrote: > On 3/30/06, Josh Lawrence wrote: >>Two questions: what is soft mode, and is ASIO support still supplied >>and useful? One additional question: is there a place that provides >>comprehensive explanation of jack's features and how to use them? >>From "man jackd"... > > -s, --softmode > Ignore xruns reported by the ALSA driver. This makes JACK less > likely to disconnect unresponsive ports when running without > --realtime. So, to be clear, this means that softmode and realtime are effectively mutually exclusive? -Eric Rz. From eric at zhevny.com Sat Apr 1 03:29:00 2006 From: eric at zhevny.com (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Sat Apr 1 03:29:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: regarding the 2nd Book Of Linux Music & Sound In-Reply-To: <442D25E2.1080307@woh.rr.com> References: <442A6DAB.1010004@woh.rr.com> <20060330074911.GC6573@grisey> <442D25E2.1080307@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <442E39CC.7040504@zhevny.com> Dave Phillips wrote: > Orm Finnendahl wrote: >> Hi Dave, > Hi Orm ! >> on a related issue: In our school we are testing linux only on laptops >> for the music theory department. As some teachers are using Finale, we >> came up with installing Finale on vmware player. It seems to work >> without problems. We are planning to put the Finale-on-vmware on >> usbsticks to keep the Finale licenses under control (that way they can >> be given out to students like a dongle). > I gotta say it: Wouldn't it be cheaper to just use LilyPond ? > (Sorry, I'm being obtuse). :) >> Are you coming to the LAC this year? > Sorry, I won't be there this year. I'll be monitoring the chats and > video feeds. No Dave at LAC!?!?! :( sorry to hear that. > I'm sad to miss it, I spent many months over the past year learning how > to pronounce Eric Rzewnicki's last name, now I'll have to wait until > next year to prove that I can really say it. All that effort... ;-) Aw shucks, Dave, you shouldn't have. :-D -ERic Rz. From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Apr 1 04:03:31 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Apr 1 04:01:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with free software In-Reply-To: <1143837213.5765.3.camel@zon> References: <1143837213.5765.3.camel@zon> Message-ID: <20060401100331.1678aa38@localhost> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 22:33:33 +0200 Rik Baeten wrote: > Hey, > > You can listen to a song I made with free software: > http://www.ikrik.org/music > > byebye, > Rik Nice work. What kit did you use? -- F From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Sat Apr 1 04:33:27 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Sat Apr 1 04:33:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: mjoo 0.0.4 released In-Reply-To: <1143589150.7658.1.camel@zeitgeist> References: <1143589150.7658.1.camel@zeitgeist> Message-ID: <20060401113327.73f03cfb@SiRiUS.home> On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 01:39:10 +0200 "Leonard \"paniq\" Ritter" wrote: > mjoo 0.0.4 has just been released. > > http://www.mjoo.org > > This is a big leap forward from 0.0.3, as I entirely reimplemented > mjoo in Python, while keeping only the core dsp code in C++. The > graphical subsystem is now powered directly by OpenGL, thus > substantially faster on hardware accellerated video cards. > > What you can do with this release is use mjoo as a mixer for jack. You > can add port cells to the view by right clicking into the mjoo window > and picking an object type from the context menu. Use e.g. > QJackCtl (http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/) to connect other apps to > mjoo and vice versa. Middle-click-drag resizes the cells. By moving a > cell over another cell, the smaller cell has an influence on the > larger cell. e.g. move a small "in"-cell over a larger "out"-cell. > "in" will be routed to "out". The amplitude of the signal depends on > how much of "in" is enclosed by "out". > > You can use the Ctrl key to select multiple cells. > > This release has also initial support for LADSPA plugins (DSSI plugins > and serialization is supported but broken) and controllers. Click > right on a LADSPA plugin in the view to bring up a new controller for > it. I leave it up to you to find out how it works. > > > -- > -- leonard "paniq" ritter > -- http://www.mjoo.org > -- http://www.paniq.org > > Looks interesting! I'm just trying to write a gentoo ebuild for it. Compile and install works so far. But trying to run it, it complains about missing nedu. ?? /opt/mjoo/mjoo Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mjoo/mjoo.py", line 18, in ? import nedu ImportError: No module named nedu So just trying to write an ebuild for nedu, but i'm a bit lost without some installation instructions for nedu. Any hints? Regards Tom From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Apr 1 04:48:00 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Apr 1 04:46:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music! In-Reply-To: <20060401074806.GF10133@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060401074806.GF10133@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060401104800.1fa4ab58@localhost> On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 08:48:06 +0100 james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/04/bombing.html > > A quickly bashed track to keep my hand in. And very nicely 'bashed' too :) I'm not even going to *try* to keep up with that creative speed! -- F From paniq at paniq.org Sat Apr 1 04:55:14 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Sat Apr 1 04:55:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: mjoo 0.0.4 released In-Reply-To: <20060401113327.73f03cfb@SiRiUS.home> References: <1143589150.7658.1.camel@zeitgeist> <20060401113327.73f03cfb@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <1143885314.17319.3.camel@zeitgeist> On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 11:33 +0200, Thomas Kuther wrote: > Looks interesting! > > I'm just trying to write a gentoo ebuild for it. Compile and install > works so far. But trying to run it, it complains about missing nedu. > ?? /opt/mjoo/mjoo > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/opt/mjoo/mjoo.py", line 18, in ? > import nedu > ImportError: No module named nedu > > So just trying to write an ebuild for nedu, but i'm a bit lost without > some installation instructions for nedu. Any hints? > > Regards > Tom yes, the nedu dependency was entirely unneccessary. i took it out. 0.0.4 was a bit of a rush release. i will do a new release shortly, however i suggest to write an svn ebuild first. here is the PKGBUILD for mjoo-svn in arch linux: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mjoo-svn/mjoo-svn/PKGBUILD you can it use as a kind of reference. i will do a 0.0.5 release shortly that has no nedu dependency. -- -- leonard "paniq" ritter -- http://www.mjoo.org -- http://www.paniq.org From v2 at iki.fi Sat Apr 1 05:33:50 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Sat Apr 1 05:34:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] question about jackd/qjackctl options In-Reply-To: <442E33B3.4060105@zhevny.com> References: <442E33B3.4060105@zhevny.com> Message-ID: <1143887630.8597.2.camel@puppeli> On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 03:02 -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > > -s, --softmode > > Ignore xruns reported by the ALSA driver. This makes JACK less > > likely to disconnect unresponsive ports when running without > > --realtime. > > So, to be clear, this means that softmode and realtime are effectively > mutually exclusive? In practice yes. There is no point in running both in softmode and realtime. The worst case scenario is that a client gets deadlocked within the process() thread and takes over jackd (in the absolutely worst case, the whole computer) as the jack watchdog thread doesn't kill the client. -- Sampo Savolainen From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sat Apr 1 07:12:08 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sat Apr 1 07:08:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] question about jackd/qjackctl options In-Reply-To: <1143887630.8597.2.camel@puppeli> References: <442E33B3.4060105@zhevny.com> <1143887630.8597.2.camel@puppeli> Message-ID: <1143893528.7539.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 13:33 +0300, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 03:02 -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > > > -s, --softmode > > > Ignore xruns reported by the ALSA driver. This makes JACK less > > > likely to disconnect unresponsive ports when running without > > > --realtime. > > > > So, to be clear, this means that softmode and realtime are effectively > > mutually exclusive? > > In practice yes. There is no point in running both in softmode and > realtime. The worst case scenario is that a client gets deadlocked > within the process() thread and takes over jackd (in the absolutely > worst case, the whole computer) as the jack watchdog thread doesn't kill > the client. actually, this is the opposite of the intent. softmode is there mostly for people who want to use JACK in, for example, live situations where the occasional xrun is not a disaster. they want realtime latency settings, but don't want any clients kicked out if there is an xrun. if the watchdog doesn't work in softmode, its a bug. --p From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Sat Apr 1 07:43:08 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Sat Apr 1 07:43:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: mjoo 0.0.4 released In-Reply-To: <1143885314.17319.3.camel@zeitgeist> References: <1143589150.7658.1.camel@zeitgeist> <20060401113327.73f03cfb@SiRiUS.home> <1143885314.17319.3.camel@zeitgeist> Message-ID: <20060401144308.3403e87e@SiRiUS.home> On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 11:55:14 +0200 "Leonard \"paniq\" Ritter" wrote: > On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 11:33 +0200, Thomas Kuther wrote: > > Looks interesting! > > > > I'm just trying to write a gentoo ebuild for it. Compile and install > > works so far. But trying to run it, it complains about missing nedu. > > > ?? /opt/mjoo/mjoo > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/opt/mjoo/mjoo.py", line 18, in ? > > import nedu > > ImportError: No module named nedu > > > > So just trying to write an ebuild for nedu, but i'm a bit lost > > without some installation instructions for nedu. Any hints? > > > > Regards > > Tom > > yes, the nedu dependency was entirely unneccessary. i took it out. > 0.0.4 was a bit of a rush release. i will do a new release shortly, > however i suggest to write an svn ebuild first. > > here is the PKGBUILD for mjoo-svn in arch linux: > > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mjoo-svn/mjoo-svn/PKGBUILD > > you can it use as a kind of reference. > > i will do a 0.0.5 release shortly that has no nedu dependency. > Ok great! Thx for the info ;) svn ebuild will be no problem... Regards Tom From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Apr 1 09:42:08 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Apr 1 09:42:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with free software In-Reply-To: <1143837213.5765.3.camel@zon> References: <1143837213.5765.3.camel@zon> Message-ID: <20060401144208.GA9719@charly.SWORD> On Fri, Mar 31, 2006 at 10:33:33PM +0200, Rik Baeten wrote: > You can listen to a song I made with free software: > http://www.ikrik.org/music Very nice and impressive. Beautyful piano and well sung (slightly off in places, but just that little bit). The percussion has this click in places, making me wish it was a little bit softer in sound. I found the effect at the end not realy fitting, but also not too bad. Thanks for sharing! --- Thorsten Wilms From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Apr 1 09:49:36 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Apr 1 09:49:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music! In-Reply-To: <20060401074806.GF10133@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060401074806.GF10133@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060401144936.GB9719@charly.SWORD> On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 08:48:06AM +0100, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/04/bombing.html Hmm, the full track fits into an hour 18.75 times. What took you so long? ;p The ratio Shuttleworth/everyone else in my music/lad dir is a joke. /me thinks of his one track he worked now and then during several months now. Arg. Cheers, Thorsten Wilms From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Apr 1 11:43:27 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Apr 1 11:10:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] regarding the 2nd Book Of Linux Music & Sound In-Reply-To: <442D7765.8000203@gmx.net> References: <20060331130727.58762.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <442D7765.8000203@gmx.net> Message-ID: <442EADAF.2080409@woh.rr.com> Michael T D Nelson wrote: > [snip] > > Also, lots of proof-reading! I'll happily volunteer myself for some. Hi Michael: Thank you for your offer. I should clarify the matter of proofing, particularly since many people have offered to proof-read the completed material. No Starch will of course provide primary editing and proofing, but I'd also like to introduce some mechanism for the community's input. It would ensure higher technical accuracy and would also be more likely to guarantee more timely material. We'll figure out something re: community proofing. I'll be sure to bring it up when I talk with Bill. Best, dp From eric at zhevny.com Sat Apr 1 13:27:31 2006 From: eric at zhevny.com (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Sat Apr 1 13:27:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] question about jackd/qjackctl options In-Reply-To: <1143893528.7539.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <442E33B3.4060105@zhevny.com> <1143887630.8597.2.camel@puppeli> <1143893528.7539.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <442EC613.4030608@zhevny.com> Paul Davis wrote: > On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 13:33 +0300, Sampo Savolainen wrote: >>On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 03:02 -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: >>>> -s, --softmode >>>> Ignore xruns reported by the ALSA driver. This makes JACK less >>>> likely to disconnect unresponsive ports when running without >>>> --realtime. >>>So, to be clear, this means that softmode and realtime are effectively >>>mutually exclusive? >>In practice yes. There is no point in running both in softmode and >>realtime. The worst case scenario is that a client gets deadlocked >>within the process() thread and takes over jackd (in the absolutely >>worst case, the whole computer) as the jack watchdog thread doesn't kill >>the client. > actually, this is the opposite of the intent. > > softmode is there mostly for people who want to use JACK in, for > example, live situations where the occasional xrun is not a disaster. > they want realtime latency settings, but don't want any clients kicked > out if there is an xrun. if the watchdog doesn't work in softmode, its a > bug. Thanks Paul. This is what I was hoping to hear. At RFA they probably don't want Rivendell's caed (core audio engine daemon) getting kicked out by jack in the middle of a broadcast. -Eric Rz. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Apr 1 13:49:31 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Apr 1 13:49:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] question about jackd/qjackctl options In-Reply-To: <442EC613.4030608@zhevny.com> References: <442E33B3.4060105@zhevny.com> <1143887630.8597.2.camel@puppeli> <1143893528.7539.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> <442EC613.4030608@zhevny.com> Message-ID: <1143917372.30769.1.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 13:27 -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > Thanks Paul. This is what I was hoping to hear. At RFA they probably > don't want Rivendell's caed (core audio engine daemon) getting kicked > out by jack in the middle of a broadcast. Soft mode is an OK workaround, but you should still try to get the bug(s) in Rivendell fixed that are causing JACK to kick it out. Lee From bumpycarrot at gmail.com Sat Apr 1 14:58:28 2006 From: bumpycarrot at gmail.com (Joseph Jones) Date: Sat Apr 1 14:58:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A graphical LADSPA host for Ardour and Debian? Message-ID: Hi again peeps, So I've been having a ton of fun messing around with the various sequencers, synths etc. available. However, I've come against a wall, it looks kinda like this: I want to be able to record a real instrument into Ardour (can already do this) and then apply some LADSPA effects to it. *However*, some of the plug-ins I'm using have two inputs, such as signal difference plugins etc. and Ardour can't handle them. I've tried using omsynth for this, but my poor Athlon 2000+ can't seem to handle om and Ardour at the same time. So if anyone has any suggestions as to how to proceed, they'd be most welcome :) In particular, I'd prefer a graphical solution with a Debian/DeMuDi package available. Thanks! -- Joe Jones -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GIT/MU d-- s+:-- a-- C++ UL+ L++ E---- W++ w M t(++) 5++ tv D++ e+ h-- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sat Apr 1 15:10:20 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sat Apr 1 15:06:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A graphical LADSPA host for Ardour and Debian? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1143922220.7539.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 20:58 +0100, Joseph Jones wrote: > Hi again peeps, > > So I've been having a ton of fun messing around with the various > sequencers, synths etc. available. > > However, I've come against a wall, it looks kinda like this: > > I want to be able to record a real instrument into Ardour (can already > do this) and then apply some LADSPA effects to it. *However*, some of > the plug-ins I'm using have two inputs, such as signal difference > plugins etc. and Ardour can't handle them. I've tried using omsynth > for this, but my poor Athlon 2000+ can't seem to handle om and Ardour > at the same time. insert the mono-to-stereo plugin first, then the 2 input plugin after that. ardour will do this automatically in the future. From paniq at paniq.org Sat Apr 1 15:41:05 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Sat Apr 1 15:38:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] regarding the 2nd Book Of Linux Music & Sound In-Reply-To: <442EADAF.2080409@woh.rr.com> References: <20060331130727.58762.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <442D7765.8000203@gmx.net> <442EADAF.2080409@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1143924066.1095.0.camel@zeitgeist> what about pre-releasing the book as an editable wiki? On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 11:43 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > Michael T D Nelson wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > Also, lots of proof-reading! I'll happily volunteer myself for some. > > Hi Michael: > > Thank you for your offer. I should clarify the matter of proofing, > particularly since many people have offered to proof-read the completed > material. > > No Starch will of course provide primary editing and proofing, but I'd > also like to introduce some mechanism for the community's input. It > would ensure higher technical accuracy and would also be more likely to > guarantee more timely material. > > We'll figure out something re: community proofing. I'll be sure to > bring it up when I talk with Bill. > > Best, > > dp > -- -- leonard "paniq" ritter -- http://www.mjoo.org -- http://www.paniq.org From steffl at bigfoot.com Sat Apr 1 16:11:53 2006 From: steffl at bigfoot.com (Erik Steffl) Date: Sat Apr 1 16:12:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi note numbers In-Reply-To: <1143667431.13933.29.camel@mindpipe> References: <442A90DD.7000605@gmail.com> <200603292117.00769.ce@christeck.de> <1143665301.13933.14.camel@mindpipe> <200603292310.26507.ce@christeck.de> <1143667431.13933.29.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <442EEC99.40908@bigfoot.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 23:10 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: >>> Computers count from zero. Always have, always will. >> yes, of course, I know. >> >> But it is possible to hide this in user interfaces. IMHO the machines >> have to serve the humans, not the other way around. >> >> How many mails are you reading right now, 0 or 1 ;-) ? > > Well, 1. But an array of size 1 has only one element - array[0] ;-) > > > > I agree with you that programmers are terrible at interface design. what are you talking about! one look at vi proves otherwise :-) erik From ce at christeck.de Sat Apr 1 17:16:36 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Apr 1 17:15:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi note numbers In-Reply-To: <442EEC99.40908@bigfoot.com> References: <442A90DD.7000605@gmail.com> <1143667431.13933.29.camel@mindpipe> <442EEC99.40908@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <200604020016.36761.ce@christeck.de> > > I agree with you that programmers are terrible at interface design. > > ? ?what are you talking about! one look at vi proves otherwise :-) well, the vi-team surely includes a usability expert ;-) . vi really is simple to use; the user only needs to learn some simple commands: x i ESC :wq and last bur not least :q! What do we need more :) ? Best regards ce From bumpycarrot at gmail.com Sat Apr 1 17:53:33 2006 From: bumpycarrot at gmail.com (Joseph Jones) Date: Sat Apr 1 17:53:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A graphical LADSPA host for Ardour and Debian? In-Reply-To: <1143922220.7539.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1143922220.7539.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 4/1/06, Paul Davis wrote: > On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 20:58 +0100, Joseph Jones wrote: > > Hi again peeps, > > > > So I've been having a ton of fun messing around with the various > > sequencers, synths etc. available. > > > > However, I've come against a wall, it looks kinda like this: > > > > I want to be able to record a real instrument into Ardour (can already > > do this) and then apply some LADSPA effects to it. *However*, some of > > the plug-ins I'm using have two inputs, such as signal difference > > plugins etc. and Ardour can't handle them. I've tried using omsynth > > for this, but my poor Athlon 2000+ can't seem to handle om and Ardour > > at the same time. > > insert the mono-to-stereo plugin first, then the 2 input plugin after > that. ardour will do this automatically in the future. > > > But then, aren't I just comparing the same signal to itself? Or have I misunderstood the purpose of the mono-to-stereo plugin? -- Joe Jones -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GIT/MU d-- s+:-- a-- C++ UL+ L++ E---- W++ w M t(++) 5++ tv D++ e+ h-- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Sat Apr 1 17:58:33 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (baldobe) Date: Sat Apr 1 17:58:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Demudi can connect to the internet Message-ID: <3708282.post@talk.nabble.com> I am trying to connect to the internet using a debian distro but I can not even connect to my router. I have 3 other debian based distros on the same machine that are all able to connect. I tried to go into the router via telnet but when I type in the router address 198.168.1.1 I get the reply that is was unable to establish a connection. I also went into my /etc/resolv.conf file, which I had to create, and entered the primary and secondary DNS addresses. and set nameserver to the above router address. I have had a look at Linux.org beginers guide on how to connect but I do not get further than telnet connecting to the router. Can some one please guide me through what I need to do to connect this distro to the Internet. I have looked at the /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces files in distros that work and made changes to these files in demudi but I still can not access the internet from it. When I go to PPPoE setup it says that it has found one device, eth1, and when I tell it to set it up it says that it fails. I have been struggling for some time on this now. I have googled and read the demudi FAQ but just can not find anything that enables me to get this distro to connect to the internet. If someone can at least point me in the right direction that would be of some help. Many thanks. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Demudi-can-connect-to-the-internet-t1380902.html#a3708282 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From loki.davison at gmail.com Sat Apr 1 20:33:06 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sat Apr 1 20:33:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: A graphical LADSPA host for Ardour and Debian? In-Reply-To: References: <1143922220.7539.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 4/2/06, Joseph Jones wrote: > On 4/1/06, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 20:58 +0100, Joseph Jones wrote: > > > Hi again peeps, > > > > > > So I've been having a ton of fun messing around with the various > > > sequencers, synths etc. available. > > > > > > However, I've come against a wall, it looks kinda like this: > > > > > > I want to be able to record a real instrument into Ardour (can already > > > do this) and then apply some LADSPA effects to it. *However*, some of > > > the plug-ins I'm using have two inputs, such as signal difference > > > plugins etc. and Ardour can't handle them. I've tried using omsynth > > > for this, but my poor Athlon 2000+ can't seem to handle om and Ardour > > > at the same time. > > > > insert the mono-to-stereo plugin first, then the 2 input plugin after > > that. ardour will do this automatically in the future. > > > > > > > > But then, aren't I just comparing the same signal to itself? Or have I > misunderstood the purpose of the mono-to-stereo plugin? > > -- > Joe Jones > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.1 > GIT/MU d-- s+:-- a-- C++ UL+ L++ E---- W++ w M t(++) 5++ tv D++ e+ h-- > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > Athlon 2000+ should cope pretty well with those 2 tasks. Until last year my only machine was a p3 650 laptop and i did some tracks with om and muse on it and also some stuff with ardour. Loki From rj at spamatica.se Sun Apr 2 05:37:54 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Sun Apr 2 04:37:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi note numbers In-Reply-To: <200604020016.36761.ce@christeck.de> References: <442A90DD.7000605@gmail.com> <442EEC99.40908@bigfoot.com> <200604020016.36761.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200604021037.54981.rj@spamatica.se> On Saturday 01 Apr 2006 23:16, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > > I agree with you that programmers are terrible at interface design. > > > > ? ?what are you talking about! one look at vi proves otherwise :-) > > well, the vi-team surely includes a usability expert ;-) . > > vi really is simple to use; the user only needs to learn some simple > commands: > > x > i > ESC > > :wq > > and last bur not least > > :q! > I get a feeling there's supposed to be some irony here, but I don't know what it is. /Robert > What do we need more :) ? (+; -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Apr 2 09:35:39 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun Apr 2 09:31:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A graphical LADSPA host for Ardour and Debian? In-Reply-To: References: <1143922220.7539.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1143984939.7539.157.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 23:53 +0100, Joseph Jones wrote: > On 4/1/06, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 20:58 +0100, Joseph Jones wrote: > > > Hi again peeps, > > > > > > So I've been having a ton of fun messing around with the various > > > sequencers, synths etc. available. > > > > > > However, I've come against a wall, it looks kinda like this: > > > > > > I want to be able to record a real instrument into Ardour (can already > > > do this) and then apply some LADSPA effects to it. *However*, some of > > > the plug-ins I'm using have two inputs, such as signal difference > > > plugins etc. and Ardour can't handle them. I've tried using omsynth > > > for this, but my poor Athlon 2000+ can't seem to handle om and Ardour > > > at the same time. > > > > insert the mono-to-stereo plugin first, then the 2 input plugin after > > that. ardour will do this automatically in the future. > > > > > > > > But then, aren't I just comparing the same signal to itself? Or have I > misunderstood the purpose of the mono-to-stereo plugin? i didn't read this carefully enough. if you have only one "real instrument" (whatever that means), then you don't have two signals to compare. if you have other tracks with other signals and you want to use them in this way, create, for example, a stereo bus. put the plugin in the bus, connect the output of one track to its first input, and the output of the other thread to its second input. the plugin will get the two signals on its two inputs and voila. From zipkes at yahoo.co.uk Sun Apr 2 10:21:57 2006 From: zipkes at yahoo.co.uk (Rik Baeten) Date: Sun Apr 2 10:22:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with free software In-Reply-To: <20060401100331.1678aa38@localhost> Message-ID: <20060402142157.30460.qmail@web26007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thanks everyone for the reactions! > What kit did you use? The "HardElectro1" kit on Hydrogen: http://www.hydrogen-music.org/?p=drumkits ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos ? NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From zipkes at yahoo.co.uk Sun Apr 2 10:25:43 2006 From: zipkes at yahoo.co.uk (Rik Baeten) Date: Sun Apr 2 10:25:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with free software In-Reply-To: <1143872892.2449.17.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <20060402142543.61082.qmail@web26011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Well done. Tighten up that piano a little bit and it's ready for > broadcast. Thanks! What do you mean by tightening: - compressing the sound - more strict in time - removing/syncing some bad notes --- Florin Andrei wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 22:33 +0200, Rik Baeten wrote: > > > > You can listen to a song I made with free software: > > http://www.ikrik.org/music > > Well done. Tighten up that piano a little bit and it's ready for > broadcast. > > -- > Florin Andrei > > http://florin.myip.org/ > > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos ? NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From johnmulholland at fastmail.fm Sun Apr 2 11:12:38 2006 From: johnmulholland at fastmail.fm (John Mulholland) Date: Sun Apr 2 11:12:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions Message-ID: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> Hello there, Some of you may know me, I have posted in the past but have not had much time to devote to FOSS music lately. I hope to find more time soon - catching up on all the LAU mails is going to take quite a while. I have a couple of questions. I guess the easiest way to reply would be to alter the subject heading to reflect the question number. Then threads can be kept seperate, and on topic. 1. Is there anywhere non programmers can suggest an application to be developed? I am sure there are many non programmers with great ideas lurking on this list. 2. Sometime ago I registered opensourcemusic.info. It is very out of date, and a bit shabby really. I was hoping to turn it into a simple listings site for newbies. Perhaps have LAA mails autoposted. Anyone have any ideas what to do with it? 3. I have been chatting with Gianluca who runs openjay about the idea of putting together a little award or prize for the LAU community. Perhaps for the years best project or individual. It wouldnt be too difficult to set up a poll which people can suggest a project/person and vote on it. I am unemployed at the moment, but happy to contribute some funds. I am sure many others would be. It is another oppurtunity to give something back. What do you think? 4. This may be a little off topic. In fact it is, but I hope it is of interest to people here. Apologies if not. Recently the Guardian newspaper in the UK has started a campaign to make govt collected information freely available. However, there approach is only free as in beer, not also free as in speech. I have been blogging about this for a while now and would appreciate some comments and support. You can read about it all here http://www.midfieldmaestro.com/?p=121 . Thanks for you time reading this, the wonderful software and the amazing music posted. It makes catching up mails a pleasure :) Regards, John From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Apr 2 10:57:34 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Apr 2 11:24:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <442FE65E.3020001@woh.rr.com> John Mulholland wrote: > Some of you may know me, I have posted in the past but have not had > much time to devote to FOSS music lately. I hope to find more time > soon - catching up on all the LAU mails is going to take quite a while. Hi John, nice to hear from you again. :) > 1. Is there anywhere non programmers can suggest an application to be > developed? I am sure there are many non programmers with great ideas > lurking on this list. Why not this list and the LAD list ? The biggest potential problem: Many ideas, not so many programmers. > 2. Sometime ago I registered opensourcemusic.info. It is very out of > date, and a bit shabby really. I was hoping to turn it into a simple > listings site for newbies. Perhaps have LAA mails autoposted. Anyone > have any ideas what to do with it? I like the notion of posting the LAA mail. > 3. I have been chatting with Gianluca who runs openjay about the idea > of putting together a little award or prize for the LAU community. > Perhaps for the years best project or individual. It wouldnt be too > difficult to set up a poll which people can suggest a project/person > and vote on it. I am unemployed at the moment, but happy to contribute > some funds. I am sure many others would be. It is another oppurtunity > to give something back. What do you think? Most of the major players already have PayPal or some similar donation system, it would be nice if people used those. But I'm all in favor of anything that can get some dinero moving towards Linux audio libre software developers. Best, dp From ce at christeck.de Sun Apr 2 11:46:48 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Apr 2 11:46:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200604021746.48822.ce@christeck.de> > 1. Is there anywhere non programmers can suggest an application to be > developed? I am sure there are many non programmers with great ideas > lurking on this list. What about * An audio configuration tool as a replacement for alsaconf so newbies get a better start with ALSA and jackd (Gui app or a backend library which can be used by arbitrary frontends). I'd be interested in helping if such a tool would be developed. Configuring modules, creating alsa config file if necessary and probing jackd to create a basic jackd configuration * Simple and easy to use audio recording app based on ALSA and/or jackd with input levelmeter and monitoring option * Example/stub application for ALSA/jackd audio IO so developers stop using OSS "because it is that simple to use" * Example/stub application how to include the ALSA sequencer so developers stop using OSS "because it is that simple to use" Just my 2 Cents. Best regards ce From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Apr 2 12:11:22 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Apr 2 12:11:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <200604021746.48822.ce@christeck.de> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <200604021746.48822.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1143994283.6601.52.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 17:46 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > * An audio configuration tool as a replacement for alsaconf so newbies > get a better start with ALSA and jackd (Gui app or a backend library > which can be used by arbitrary frontends). I'd be interested in > helping if such a tool would be developed. Configuring modules, > creating alsa config file if necessary and probing jackd to create a > basic jackd configuration What problem are you trying to solve here? Some use cases are needed. This should Just Work - I've never had to use alsaconf, and my distro (Ubuntu) no longer ships it. Lee From dmills at spamblock.demon.co.uk Sun Apr 2 12:21:14 2006 From: dmills at spamblock.demon.co.uk (Dan Mills) Date: Sun Apr 2 12:21:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] question about jackd/qjackctl options In-Reply-To: <1143917372.30769.1.camel@mindpipe> References: <442E33B3.4060105@zhevny.com> <1143887630.8597.2.camel@puppeli> <1143893528.7539.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> <442EC613.4030608@zhevny.com> <1143917372.30769.1.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <53C7C134-CFDA-46D6-9A5C-B4AE730BB059@spamblock.demon.co.uk> On 1 Apr 2006, at 19:49, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 13:27 -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: >> Thanks Paul. This is what I was hoping to hear. At RFA they probably >> don't want Rivendell's caed (core audio engine daemon) getting kicked >> out by jack in the middle of a broadcast. > > Soft mode is an OK workaround, but you should still try to get the > bug(s) in Rivendell fixed that are causing JACK to kick it out. There are caed bugs causing this! Please tell! As far as I can see the process callback is completely lock free, if not I want to know... Now if you are setting soft mode for insurance that is another thing, but please report any instances of caed getting kicked by jack (I have never seen it happen). CCed to rivendell-prog Regards, Dan. From ce at christeck.de Sun Apr 2 12:22:29 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Apr 2 12:22:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1143994283.6601.52.camel@mindpipe> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <200604021746.48822.ce@christeck.de> <1143994283.6601.52.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200604021822.29138.ce@christeck.de> > What problem are you trying to solve here? ?Some use cases are > needed. This should Just Work - I've never had to use alsaconf, and > my distro (Ubuntu) no longer ships it. for example, the Gentoo user mailing list is full of questions like "I did follow the excellent Gentoo ALSA user guide, but I still get no sound." How can a user who just bought a USB audio device make it the default device? How can a user interested in JACK easily find the right settings for his card? How does (or why must) a user know which module to use for his card? How can a user disable a certain card? All this is of little interest for myself, I have learned how to set up my system. But new linux audio users should never be in need to edit config files manually in vi. Best regards ce From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Apr 2 12:37:16 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Apr 2 12:37:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <200604021822.29138.ce@christeck.de> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <200604021746.48822.ce@christeck.de> <1143994283.6601.52.camel@mindpipe> <200604021822.29138.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1143995837.6601.62.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 18:22 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > What problem are you trying to solve here? Some use cases are > > needed. This should Just Work - I've never had to use alsaconf, and > > my distro (Ubuntu) no longer ships it. > > for example, the Gentoo user mailing list is full of questions like "I > did follow the excellent Gentoo ALSA user guide, but I still get no > sound." Well, people who use Gentoo are expected to know what they are doing. Most distros provide default mixer settings with their ALSA Packages that unmute the right channels. If this does not work then it's most likely a driver bug and no amount of configuration can help. > How can a user who just bought a USB audio device make it the > default device? System->Preferences->Sound then select the USB audio device from the "Default sound card" menu > How can a user interested in JACK easily find the right > settings for his card? The defaults should work on any card, just fire up qjackctl. > How does (or why must) a user know which module > to use for his card? On what distro does a user have to know this? It should Just Work - hotplug/udev will load the drivers for any detected cards. > How can a user disable a certain card? > By setting a different card to be the default. If they want to do fancy stuff like prevent the driver from ever loading they'll have to use a hotplug blacklist. > All this is of little interest for myself, I have learned how to set up > my system. But new linux audio users should never be in need to edit > config files manually in vi. They don't, if they use a newbie-friendly distro. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Apr 2 12:42:18 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Apr 2 12:42:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] question about jackd/qjackctl options In-Reply-To: <53C7C134-CFDA-46D6-9A5C-B4AE730BB059@spamblock.demon.co.uk> References: <442E33B3.4060105@zhevny.com> <1143887630.8597.2.camel@puppeli> <1143893528.7539.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> <442EC613.4030608@zhevny.com> <1143917372.30769.1.camel@mindpipe> <53C7C134-CFDA-46D6-9A5C-B4AE730BB059@spamblock.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1143996139.6601.68.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 17:21 +0100, Dan Mills wrote: > On 1 Apr 2006, at 19:49, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 13:27 -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > >> Thanks Paul. This is what I was hoping to hear. At RFA they probably > >> don't want Rivendell's caed (core audio engine daemon) getting kicked > >> out by jack in the middle of a broadcast. > > > > Soft mode is an OK workaround, but you should still try to get the > > bug(s) in Rivendell fixed that are causing JACK to kick it out. > > There are caed bugs causing this! Please tell! > Yes - JACK will only kicks out clients that take too long in the process() callback. Kernel induced xruns will not cause clients to be disconnected. If you build JACK with the preemption check option and use an -rt kernel with the debug options enabled you may be able to get a stack trace if the app blocks in the process() callback, but it won't help to debug a client that simply takes too long. > As far as I can see the process callback is completely lock free, if > not I want to know... > > Now if you are setting soft mode for insurance that is another thing, > but please report any instances of caed getting kicked by jack (I have > never seen it happen). > > CCed to rivendell-prog > > Regards, Dan. > From dmills at spamblock.demon.co.uk Sun Apr 2 12:52:19 2006 From: dmills at spamblock.demon.co.uk (Dan Mills) Date: Sun Apr 2 12:52:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] question about jackd/qjackctl options In-Reply-To: <1143996139.6601.68.camel@mindpipe> References: <442E33B3.4060105@zhevny.com> <1143887630.8597.2.camel@puppeli> <1143893528.7539.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> <442EC613.4030608@zhevny.com> <1143917372.30769.1.camel@mindpipe> <53C7C134-CFDA-46D6-9A5C-B4AE730BB059@spamblock.demon.co.uk> <1143996139.6601.68.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 2 Apr 2006, at 17:42, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 17:21 +0100, Dan Mills wrote: >> On 1 Apr 2006, at 19:49, Lee Revell wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 13:27 -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: >>>> Thanks Paul. This is what I was hoping to hear. At RFA they >>>> probably >>>> don't want Rivendell's caed (core audio engine daemon) getting >>>> kicked >>>> out by jack in the middle of a broadcast. >>> >>> Soft mode is an OK workaround, but you should still try to get the >>> bug(s) in Rivendell fixed that are causing JACK to kick it out. >> >> There are caed bugs causing this! Please tell! >> > > Yes - JACK will only kicks out clients that take too long in the > process() callback. Kernel induced xruns will not cause clients to be > disconnected. > > If you build JACK with the preemption check option and use an -rt > kernel > with the debug options enabled you may be able to get a stack trace if > the app blocks in the process() callback, but it won't help to debug a > client that simply takes too long. The thing is, the RT thread is just not that CPU intensive, all the heavy lifting is done in the disk butler thread and the communication is via lock free ring buffers and volatile flags. CAED should NOT be doing this! Now it is possible for the disk (or network IO to under run in which case the audio breaks up, but that does not impact the process callaback. Eric, can we have a way to reproduce please, this needs sorting. Regards, Dan. From ix at replic.net Sun Apr 2 12:52:55 2006 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Sun Apr 2 12:53:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1143995837.6601.62.camel@mindpipe> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <200604021746.48822.ce@christeck.de> <1143994283.6601.52.camel@mindpipe> <200604021822.29138.ce@christeck.de> <1143995837.6601.62.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060402165255.GB14555@replic.net> > > > How can a user who just bought a USB audio device make it the > > default device? even if they do have the USB-audio module, likely the device will show up at hw:1.0.0. at which point the user has to either reorder the module loading via /etc/modules.d trickery, or do some asound.conf/rc magic to change the 'default' device to something 'sides hw:0.0.0. this isnt very intuitive.. > > System->Preferences->Sound then select the USB audio device from the > "Default sound card" menu let me guess, this changes the Gstreamer output device? woo, the Nautilus clicky-sounds go to the right place now!~!. if its actually changing the 'default' device for ALSA, that could be useful. which util is this? > > How does (or why must) a user know which module > > to use for his card? > > On what distro does a user have to know this? It should Just Work - admittedly ive only installed debian and gentoo in the past year. but both required manually looking up the module name from http://alsa-project.org, then either manually editing /etc/make.conf and defining ALSA_CARDS, or downloading the alsa-driver tarball, and running make-kpkg and installing that with dpkg. neither one 'just worked'... > They don't, if they use a newbie-friendly distro. neither SuSE or Ubuntu came up with my Echo card, even though its been rolled into the main alsa-driver tree for like a year now. maybe it has to do with the fact that its not in the kernel alsa driver and only the module version? something to do with firmware dependencies, perhaps.. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Apr 2 13:11:26 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Apr 2 13:11:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <20060402165255.GB14555@replic.net> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <200604021746.48822.ce@christeck.de> <1143994283.6601.52.camel@mindpipe> <200604021822.29138.ce@christeck.de> <1143995837.6601.62.camel@mindpipe> <20060402165255.GB14555@replic.net> Message-ID: <1143997887.6601.75.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 16:52 +0000, carmen wrote: > > > > > How can a user who just bought a USB audio device make it the > > > default device? > > even if they do have the USB-audio module, likely the device will show up at hw:1.0.0. at which point the user has to either reorder the module loading via /etc/modules.d trickery, or do some asound.conf/rc magic to change the 'default' device to something 'sides hw:0.0.0. this isnt very intuitive.. > Any reasonable distro will hide these implementation details from the user. > > > > > System->Preferences->Sound then select the USB audio device from the > > "Default sound card" menu > > let me guess, this changes the Gstreamer output device? woo, the Nautilus clicky-sounds go to the right place now!~!. if its actually changing the 'default' device for ALSA, that could be useful. which util is this? > No I believe it actually sets the ALSA "default" device by modifying the ALSA config files or module config. I can't test it as I only have the one card. This is a Gnome 2.14 feature. > > > How does (or why must) a user know which module > > > to use for his card? > > > > On what distro does a user have to know this? It should Just Work - > > admittedly ive only installed debian and gentoo in the past year. but both required manually looking up the module name from http://alsa-project.org, then either manually editing /etc/make.conf and defining ALSA_CARDS, or downloading the alsa-driver tarball, and running make-kpkg and installing that with dpkg. neither one 'just worked'... > These are distro bugs, apparently Debian does not ship the driver for your card (probably due to firmware loadibng issues), and of course Gentoo requires you to do it manually. > > They don't, if they use a newbie-friendly distro. > > neither SuSE or Ubuntu came up with my Echo card, even though its been rolled into the main alsa-driver tree for like a year now. maybe it has to do with the fact that its not in the kernel alsa driver and only the module version? something to do with firmware dependencies, perhaps.. > File bug reports with your distro(s). Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Apr 2 13:22:40 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Apr 2 13:22:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1143995837.6601.62.camel@mindpipe> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <200604021746.48822.ce@christeck.de> <1143994283.6601.52.camel@mindpipe> <200604021822.29138.ce@christeck.de> <1143995837.6601.62.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604021022u7e14ff8fk6908df2973b9c76a@mail.gmail.com> On 4/2/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 18:22 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > for example, the Gentoo user mailing list is full of questions like "I > > did follow the excellent Gentoo ALSA user guide, but I still get no > > sound." > > Well, people who use Gentoo are expected to know what they are doing. Yeah....but many of us don't! ;-) Can't be expected to know what you don't know or know what the implications are of what you don't know, or even that you don't know... ;-) - Mark From ce at christeck.de Sun Apr 2 14:50:56 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Apr 2 14:50:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <20060402165255.GB14555@replic.net> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <1143995837.6601.62.camel@mindpipe> <20060402165255.GB14555@replic.net> Message-ID: <200604022050.56146.ce@christeck.de> > even if they do have the USB-audio module, likely the device will > show up at hw:1.0.0. at which point the user has to either reorder > the module loading via /etc/modules.d trickery, or do some > asound.conf/rc magic to change the 'default' device to something > 'sides hw:0.0.0. this isnt very intuitive.. Huh, and even the indexing magic if you own more than one USB-device and you want them to appear in ALSA in a certain order! A further issue: I have configured the USB card as the default device. What will happen if I remove it or left it at home while I'm on the road? Will ALSA automatically fall back to the internal audio card of my notebook? Best regards ce From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sun Apr 2 15:40:18 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sun Apr 2 15:44:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1143995837.6601.62.camel@mindpipe> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <200604021746.48822.ce@christeck.de> <1143994283.6601.52.camel@mindpipe> <200604021822.29138.ce@christeck.de> <1143995837.6601.62.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1144006818.7157.1.camel@eviltwin> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 12:37 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > System->Preferences->Sound then select the USB audio device from the > "Default sound card" menu > Lee, You shouldn't throw these out without saying where they are. I'm assuming this is some Gnome thing in some menu somewhere. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sun Apr 2 15:44:15 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sun Apr 2 15:48:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604021022u7e14ff8fk6908df2973b9c76a@mail.gmail.com> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <200604021746.48822.ce@christeck.de> <1143994283.6601.52.camel@mindpipe> <200604021822.29138.ce@christeck.de> <1143995837.6601.62.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604021022u7e14ff8fk6908df2973b9c76a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1144007055.7157.6.camel@eviltwin> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 10:22 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 4/2/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 18:22 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > > > for example, the Gentoo user mailing list is full of questions like "I > > > did follow the excellent Gentoo ALSA user guide, but I still get no > > > sound." > > > > Well, people who use Gentoo are expected to know what they are doing. > > Yeah....but many of us don't! ;-) Can't be expected to know what you > don't know or know what the implications are of what you don't know, > or even that you don't know... ;-) > I tend to agree with Lee on this one. Gentoo is designed for those who want to do things the hard way. Granted, it probably can help newbies to understand Linux a bit better but it's a tough row to hoe. Suse or Fedora are probably much easier to deal with. If you're a newbie and you're really serious about getting sound to work you're better off with Planet CCRMA or DeMuDi. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From ce at christeck.de Sun Apr 2 16:00:30 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Apr 2 16:00:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1143995837.6601.62.camel@mindpipe> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <200604021822.29138.ce@christeck.de> <1143995837.6601.62.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200604022200.31549.ce@christeck.de> Hi Lee, > System->Preferences->Sound then select the USB audio device from the > "Default sound card" menu since I used SuSE and Mandrake, I dislike distro dependent configuration tools. Creating distro independent configuration tools makes more users benefit from the efforts, make them more versatile and user friendly. Setting up a DSL connection in Mandrake 10 with DrakConf was a pain, and as I used vi it was very simple. So I wonder if a distro independent GUI pppoe config tool was a bad idea? The same for configuring modems and other networking devices. I never understood where I find the config files on different distros, so a cool config tool which hides the underlaying system from the user is not only convenient, it also collects the knowledge of various distro architectures in its code. A further problem is that some Distros change the defaults of software packages. I remember the times I used SuSE. KDE often misbehaved. On Gentoo, I almost get a plain KDE and many things I had to struggle with on SuSE or Mandriva are gone. alsaconf is a great helper application because it includes support for various distros so many users have benefit from it instead only the users of one distribution. I'd like to add a further argument: if we leave system configuration to the packagers, we'll see two problems: * In commercial distros, if a package is not as optimally preconfigured as it could/should be, it is unlikely that it will be improved after the release date * Even in community driven projects we often see that packages that are not optimally preconfigured don't get fixed for a long time, maybe because the responsive packager has little time or even interest in doing it Please note that these points are not a personal complaint at all. I'm very happy with my Gentoo box. But when it comes to "Jeo Average" I think we can still improve the usability of current systems. Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Sun Apr 2 16:05:49 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Apr 2 16:05:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144007055.7157.6.camel@eviltwin> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <5bdc1c8b0604021022u7e14ff8fk6908df2973b9c76a@mail.gmail.com> <1144007055.7157.6.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <200604022205.49503.ce@christeck.de> > If you're a > newbie and you're really serious about getting sound to work you're > better off with Planet CCRMA or DeMuDi. Both are really cool distros for audio stuff, but even musicians use a computer for more than just audio stuff. So my thesis is: Planet CCRMA or DeMuDi are temporary projects because the other distros are not prepared optimally for audio work. If these were, there was no need for specialized audio distros. Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Sun Apr 2 16:08:17 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Apr 2 16:07:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144006818.7157.1.camel@eviltwin> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <1143995837.6601.62.camel@mindpipe> <1144006818.7157.1.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <200604022208.17189.ce@christeck.de> > You shouldn't throw these out without saying where they are. ?I'm > assuming this is some Gnome thing in some menu somewhere. if it really is Gnome dependent, I insist in my thesis that configuration tools should be distro and desktop independent and I'd like to quote your signature: > "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should > be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, > and this we should do freely and generously." > > Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of > Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 :-) Best regards ce From ix at replic.net Sun Apr 2 16:19:05 2006 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Sun Apr 2 16:19:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions Message-ID: <20060402201905.GA2833@replic.net> > if it really is Gnome dependent, I insist in my thesis that > configuration tools should be distro and desktop independent im willing to guess these days more (especially new) users on a % basis have gnome-libs installed than the ncurses that alsaconf uses.. maybe alsa could provide some kind of uniform device-selection widget for GTK, so that there isnt a different one with different features in each app..i mean 2/3rs of them still have a txt entry box and expect you to know what hw:0,1,0 is.. something with a 'select for this app' and 'set as default' maybe.. i would say 'like how printing works'. but dont get me started on cups/foomatic/hpiod/samba/lib(gnome/kde)print etc.. From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Apr 2 16:27:53 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Apr 2 16:29:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144007055.7157.6.camel@eviltwin> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <200604021746.48822.ce@christeck.de> <1143994283.6601.52.camel@mindpipe> <200604021822.29138.ce@christeck.de> <1143995837.6601.62.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604021022u7e14ff8fk6908df2973b9c76a@mail.gmail.com> <1144007055.7157.6.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604021327g5ab901faw734b09a88a2cd8be@mail.gmail.com> On 4/2/06, Jan Depner wrote: > On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 10:22 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 4/2/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 18:22 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > > > > > for example, the Gentoo user mailing list is full of questions like "I > > > > did follow the excellent Gentoo ALSA user guide, but I still get no > > > > sound." > > > > > > Well, people who use Gentoo are expected to know what they are doing. > > > > Yeah....but many of us don't! ;-) Can't be expected to know what you > > don't know or know what the implications are of what you don't know, > > or even that you don't know... ;-) > > > > I tend to agree with Lee on this one. Gentoo is designed for those > who want to do things the hard way. Granted, it probably can help > newbies to understand Linux a bit better but it's a tough row to hoe. > Suse or Fedora are probably much easier to deal with. If you're a > newbie and you're really serious about getting sound to work you're > better off with Planet CCRMA or DeMuDi. > Actually, having run Suse, Redhat, Fedora 1, 2 & 3 and Gentoo, in the end I found Gentoo the *easiest* to deal with on a day to day level. Everything is available from one place and installed in one way. It's very configurable down to compile time options for pretty much everything. I've come to quite like it. I converted an existing MythTV frontend machine running fluxbox to a desktop oriented machine with browsers, flash, mplayer and Xine this weekend in a matter of a few hours and only by running about 10 commands and walking away until it was done. My audio machine here has 6 window managers/environment/thingies for me to play with. NFS, Samba for communication with my network was pretty easy. The two real downside issues with Gentoo are the continual building of code and the installation process. Building code is just the way Gentoo will mostly be forever, even though today you can get a lot of packages already compiled, but compiled on the machine will probably always be the most stable. The installation process has been addressed recently with some sort of graphical installer, apparently, but I haven't needed to do a new install so I haven't tested it. Just my -2 cents, Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Apr 2 16:54:51 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Apr 2 16:55:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <20060402201905.GA2833@replic.net> References: <20060402201905.GA2833@replic.net> Message-ID: <1144011292.11043.33.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 20:19 +0000, carmen wrote: > > if it really is Gnome dependent, I insist in my thesis that > > configuration tools should be distro and desktop independent > > im willing to guess these days more (especially new) users on a % basis have gnome-libs installed than the ncurses that alsaconf uses.. > > maybe alsa could provide some kind of uniform device-selection widget for GTK, so that there isnt a different one with different features in each app..i mean 2/3rs of them still have a txt entry box and expect you to know what hw:0,1,0 is.. something with a 'select for this app' and 'set as default' maybe.. i would say 'like how printing works'. but dont get me started on cups/foomatic/hpiod/samba/lib(gnome/kde)print etc.. > But, that would still be GTK specific - you've just moved the problem to another level. Really, this is such a simple feature, that I don't see the need for a single distro/desktop independent utility, or why apps cannot each provide their own widget to select a sound card. It's just a case of developer laziness... Lee From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sun Apr 2 16:52:11 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sun Apr 2 16:57:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <200604022205.49503.ce@christeck.de> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <5bdc1c8b0604021022u7e14ff8fk6908df2973b9c76a@mail.gmail.com> <1144007055.7157.6.camel@eviltwin> <200604022205.49503.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1144011131.8812.0.camel@eviltwin> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 22:05 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > > If you're a > > newbie and you're really serious about getting sound to work you're > > better off with Planet CCRMA or DeMuDi. > > Both are really cool distros for audio stuff, but even musicians use a > computer for more than just audio stuff. > > So my thesis is: Planet CCRMA or DeMuDi are temporary projects because > the other distros are not prepared optimally for audio work. If these > were, there was no need for specialized audio distros. > True. Unfortunately it looks like it will be a while before any of the big distros will be ready. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sun Apr 2 16:54:18 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sun Apr 2 16:59:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <200604022208.17189.ce@christeck.de> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <1143995837.6601.62.camel@mindpipe> <1144006818.7157.1.camel@eviltwin> <200604022208.17189.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1144011258.8812.3.camel@eviltwin> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 22:08 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > You shouldn't throw these out without saying where they are. I'm > > assuming this is some Gnome thing in some menu somewhere. > > if it really is Gnome dependent, I insist in my thesis that > configuration tools should be distro and desktop independent and I'd > like to quote your signature: > I agree. I see too many posts on this and other lists that have "simple" instructions for setting up this or that and they all depend on a specific desktop environment. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sun Apr 2 16:59:27 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sun Apr 2 17:03:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604021327g5ab901faw734b09a88a2cd8be@mail.gmail.com> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <200604021746.48822.ce@christeck.de> <1143994283.6601.52.camel@mindpipe> <200604021822.29138.ce@christeck.de> <1143995837.6601.62.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604021022u7e14ff8fk6908df2973b9c76a@mail.gmail.com> <1144007055.7157.6.camel@eviltwin> <5bdc1c8b0604021327g5ab901faw734b09a88a2cd8be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1144011567.8812.8.camel@eviltwin> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 13:27 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 4/2/06, Jan Depner wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 10:22 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On 4/2/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 18:22 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > > > > > > > for example, the Gentoo user mailing list is full of questions like "I > > > > > did follow the excellent Gentoo ALSA user guide, but I still get no > > > > > sound." > > > > > > > > Well, people who use Gentoo are expected to know what they are doing. > > > > > > Yeah....but many of us don't! ;-) Can't be expected to know what you > > > don't know or know what the implications are of what you don't know, > > > or even that you don't know... ;-) > > > > > > > I tend to agree with Lee on this one. Gentoo is designed for those > > who want to do things the hard way. Granted, it probably can help > > newbies to understand Linux a bit better but it's a tough row to hoe. > > Suse or Fedora are probably much easier to deal with. If you're a > > newbie and you're really serious about getting sound to work you're > > better off with Planet CCRMA or DeMuDi. > > > > Actually, having run Suse, Redhat, Fedora 1, 2 & 3 and Gentoo, in the > end I found Gentoo the *easiest* to deal with on a day to day level. > Everything is available from one place and installed in one way. It's > very configurable down to compile time options for pretty much > everything. I've come to quite like it. I converted an existing MythTV > frontend machine running fluxbox to a desktop oriented machine with > browsers, flash, mplayer and Xine this weekend in a matter of a few > hours and only by running about 10 commands and walking away until it > was done. My audio machine here has 6 window > managers/environment/thingies for me to play with. NFS, Samba for > communication with my network was pretty easy. > > The two real downside issues with Gentoo are the continual building of > code and the installation process. Building code is just the way > Gentoo will mostly be forever, even though today you can get a lot of > packages already compiled, but compiled on the machine will probably > always be the most stable. The installation process has been addressed > recently with some sort of graphical installer, apparently, but I > haven't needed to do a new install so I haven't tested it. > As you well know, I used to do everything on a "build it yourself" basis because, as you said, that was the most stable way to deal with it. In the last year or two though I just let Planet CCRMA handle most of the builds. If I'm working on an application or testing one (JAMin, Ardour2, k3b) I'll build it from scratch but otherwise my system has been rock solid even with updates from the Planet. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Apr 2 17:09:49 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Apr 2 17:09:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144006818.7157.1.camel@eviltwin> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <200604021746.48822.ce@christeck.de> <1143994283.6601.52.camel@mindpipe> <200604021822.29138.ce@christeck.de> <1143995837.6601.62.camel@mindpipe> <1144006818.7157.1.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <1144012190.11043.39.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 14:40 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 12:37 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > > System->Preferences->Sound then select the USB audio device from the > > "Default sound card" menu > > > > Lee, > > You shouldn't throw these out without saying where they are. I'm > assuming this is some Gnome thing in some menu somewhere. > Sorry, Yes, it is. It's not a gstreamer thing though - it's a front end to asoundconf(1) which appears to have been recently developed for Ubuntu. It looks like a nice design, here's the man page. asoundconf(1) asoundconf(1) NAME asoundconf - utility to read and change the user's ALSA library configuration SYNOPSIS asoundconf is-active asoundconf get|delete PARAMETER asoundconf set PARAMETER VALUE asoundconf list DESCRIPTION asoundconf configures the ALSA library for the user. It does this by reading the values of parameters from and writing the values of parameters to the special file .asoundrc.asoundconf in the user's home directory. The .asoundrc.asoundconf file should not be edited by hand! The .asoundrc.asoundconf file only has an effect on the ALSA library if it is included by the user's .asoundrc file, also located in the user's home directory. When asoundconf is run and it finds either that the ~/.asoundrc file does not exist or that the file exists and contains the markers of the obsolete set-default-soundcard program then asoundconf adds the required inclusion statement to ~/.asoundrc; otherwise asoundconf does not change ~/.asoundrc. Hence, if you want to disable control of ALSA library configuration parameters by asoundconf then simply comment out this inclusion statement but do not delete the ~/.asoundrc file. (It is OK for ~/.asoundrc to be an empty file.) WARNING This program is under development. Its features will change without notice and without preservation of backward compatibility, except insofar as they are put to use by other components of the Debian and/or Ubuntu operating systems. (As of this writing the Ubuntu developers have plans to use asoundconf for setting the value of defaults.pcm.card from the system sound preferences menu.) FILES ~/.asoundrc user-specific ALSA library configuration file ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf file containing asoundconf-managed parameter settings AUTHOR This program was written by Martin Pitt for Ubuntu. 30 Sep 2005 asoundconf(1) From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Apr 2 17:12:42 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Apr 2 17:12:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144011131.8812.0.camel@eviltwin> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <5bdc1c8b0604021022u7e14ff8fk6908df2973b9c76a@mail.gmail.com> <1144007055.7157.6.camel@eviltwin> <200604022205.49503.ce@christeck.de> <1144011131.8812.0.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <1144012363.11043.43.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 15:52 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > So my thesis is: Planet CCRMA or DeMuDi are temporary projects > because > > the other distros are not prepared optimally for audio work. If > these > > were, there was no need for specialized audio distros. > > > > True. Unfortunately it looks like it will be a while before any > of the big distros will be ready. I disagree, I think the next release of all the major distros should be usable OOTB for audio. Lee From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sun Apr 2 17:14:19 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sun Apr 2 17:18:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144012363.11043.43.camel@mindpipe> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <5bdc1c8b0604021022u7e14ff8fk6908df2973b9c76a@mail.gmail.com> <1144007055.7157.6.camel@eviltwin> <200604022205.49503.ce@christeck.de> <1144011131.8812.0.camel@eviltwin> <1144012363.11043.43.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1144012459.8812.10.camel@eviltwin> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 17:12 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 15:52 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > > So my thesis is: Planet CCRMA or DeMuDi are temporary projects > > because > > > the other distros are not prepared optimally for audio work. If > > these > > > were, there was no need for specialized audio distros. > > > > > > > True. Unfortunately it looks like it will be a while before any > > of the big distros will be ready. > > I disagree, I think the next release of all the major distros should be > usable OOTB for audio. > You think they'll come out with the low latency patches installed? I haven't been keeping up with the kernel stuff. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Apr 2 17:32:27 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Apr 2 17:33:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144012459.8812.10.camel@eviltwin> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <5bdc1c8b0604021022u7e14ff8fk6908df2973b9c76a@mail.gmail.com> <1144007055.7157.6.camel@eviltwin> <200604022205.49503.ce@christeck.de> <1144011131.8812.0.camel@eviltwin> <1144012363.11043.43.camel@mindpipe> <1144012459.8812.10.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <1144013548.11043.52.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 16:14 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > You think they'll come out with the low latency patches installed? > I haven't been keeping up with the kernel stuff. The mainline kernel has good audio performance for the past several releases. Lee From ce at christeck.de Sun Apr 2 17:53:53 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Apr 2 17:53:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144012190.11043.39.camel@mindpipe> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <1144006818.7157.1.camel@eviltwin> <1144012190.11043.39.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200604022353.53735.ce@christeck.de> > Yes, it is. ?It's not a gstreamer thing though - it's a front end to > asoundconf(1) which appears to have been recently developed for > Ubuntu. It looks like a nice design, here's the man page. sounds interesting. Is it a shell script? If so, any link where to download it (I'd be interested in reading it)? Best regards ce From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Apr 2 18:08:27 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Apr 2 18:06:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Snare Synthesis In-Reply-To: References: <4429B802.2000000@sbcglobal.net> <20060329221404.723a717e@localhost> Message-ID: <20060402230827.1da88780@localhost> On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:38:31 +0200 Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > Do you know if there is a way to merge kits? Both yours and the > > original one seem rather incomplete. > > Open the individual instruments and do zyn's cut-and-paste on the > complete add-synth section. > > Mind you, I am under the impression of there being only one kit and me > being the original author. Would that be far off track of reality in > your perception? My copy of Zyn comes with a default drum kit in the bank 'drums' called ... Drums Kit1. This is quite different from the one you put up. > > I would also like to try to generate a few myself and add them in. > > I feel I have a rather unique way of intuitively manipulating parameters > that makes for a certain consistency in sound. For that reason, I'd like > to keep a version of the kit around where I did all the sounds myself, > and I would like to call that version 'Manmover Kit'. OK, good point there. > However, feel free to derive anything you like from it. > > To make it official, let the Manmover Kit be licensed as > > CreativeCommons Attribution NonComm ShareAlike Thanks -- F From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Apr 2 18:20:13 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Apr 2 18:20:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <200604022353.53735.ce@christeck.de> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <1144006818.7157.1.camel@eviltwin> <1144012190.11043.39.camel@mindpipe> <200604022353.53735.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1144016414.11043.58.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 23:53 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > Yes, it is. It's not a gstreamer thing though - it's a front end to > > asoundconf(1) which appears to have been recently developed for > > Ubuntu. It looks like a nice design, here's the man page. > > sounds interesting. Is it a shell script? If so, any link where to > download it (I'd be interested in reading it)? > Yes, it's just a python script, I couldn't easily find the source other than in a .deb so here it is. Lee -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll take a look at it. -- F From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Sun Apr 2 19:10:34 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Sun Apr 2 19:10:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <1144019434.16373.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-02-04 at 16:12 +0100, John Mulholland wrote: > Hello there, > > Some of you may know me, I have posted in the past but have not had much > time to devote to FOSS music lately. I hope to find more time soon - > catching up on all the LAU mails is going to take quite a while. I have > a couple of questions. I guess the easiest way to reply would be to > alter the subject heading to reflect the question number. Then threads > can be kept seperate, and on topic. > > 1. Is there anywhere non programmers can suggest an application to be > developed? I am sure there are many non programmers with great ideas > lurking on this list. Ooh, users with great ideas for apps? Yeah, that and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee. ;) Now if you want to set up a bounty system where users donate money to be claimed by a dev who does it, you might have something.... -DR- From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Sun Apr 2 19:38:49 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Sun Apr 2 19:38:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: question about jackd/qjackctl options In-Reply-To: <20060402164256.DE0E1E47A6A@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060402164256.DE0E1E47A6A@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Dan Mills: >> On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 13:27 -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: >>> Thanks Paul. This is what I was hoping to hear. At RFA they probably >>> don't want Rivendell's caed (core audio engine daemon) getting kicked >>> out by jack in the middle of a broadcast. >> >> Soft mode is an OK workaround, but you should still try to get the >> bug(s) in Rivendell fixed that are causing JACK to kick it out. > > There are caed bugs causing this! Please tell! > > As far as I can see the process callback is completely lock free, if > not I want to know... > > Now if you are setting soft mode for insurance that is another thing, > but please report any instances of caed getting kicked by jack (I have > never seen it happen). > One very big reason for adding the soft mode was that alsa stopped processing for a significant amount of time when alsa was not set to ignore xruns. I don't know if that behaviour has changed now though. But at least back then, soft mode made sense because you could get away with a few xruns without hearing anything. And because of this, it does makes sense to set softmode in realtime mode, in case you are occacionally or continously close to running at 100% cpu usage. From steffl at bigfoot.com Sun Apr 2 21:01:58 2006 From: steffl at bigfoot.com (Erik Steffl) Date: Sun Apr 2 21:02:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi note numbers In-Reply-To: <200604021037.54981.rj@spamatica.se> References: <442A90DD.7000605@gmail.com> <442EEC99.40908@bigfoot.com> <200604020016.36761.ce@christeck.de> <200604021037.54981.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <44307406.10205@bigfoot.com> Robert Jonsson wrote: > On Saturday 01 Apr 2006 23:16, Christoph Eckert wrote: >>>> I agree with you that programmers are terrible at interface design. >>> what are you talking about! one look at vi proves otherwise :-) >> well, the vi-team surely includes a usability expert ;-) . >> >> vi really is simple to use; the user only needs to learn some simple >> commands: >> >> x >> i >> ESC >> >> :wq or shift-z-z (much faster) >> and last bur not least >> >> :q! > > I get a feeling there's supposed to be some irony here, but I don't know what > it is. I think we're all 100% serious here :-) (just in case you don't know about vi - it's an editor with interface that is an absolute heaven if you know how to use it but a total hell for any novice, I mentioned it as an example of an interface done by programmers for programmers) erik From ix at replic.net Sun Apr 2 21:27:45 2006 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Sun Apr 2 21:27:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi<>vi keymappings In-Reply-To: <44307406.10205@bigfoot.com> References: <442A90DD.7000605@gmail.com> <442EEC99.40908@bigfoot.com> <200604020016.36761.ce@christeck.de> <200604021037.54981.rj@spamatica.se> <44307406.10205@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <20060403012745.GD2833@replic.net> > (just in case you don't know about vi - it's an editor with interface > that is an absolute heaven if you know how to use it but a total hell > for any novice, I mentioned it as an example of an interface done by > programmers for programmers) huh? its an interface most everyone here is familiar with. check out this nifty diagram: http://www.viemu.com/vi-vim-cheat-sheet.gif ; A From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Apr 2 23:19:54 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Apr 2 23:20:00 2006 Subject: bass punchiness [was Re: [linux-audio-user] I'm back with some music] In-Reply-To: <442841E6.9030200@boosthardware.com> References: <311b5a1a0603250738q4c1e3ed3v@mail.gmail.com> <20060325203512.GP10023@phlunky.Belkin> <311b5a1a0603260234p4031d41dg@mail.gmail.com> <311b5a1a0603260241n4ef276bv@mail.gmail.com> <4426EF26.70000@boosthardware.com> <70a871c80603261446j308b6ae0g67ef9d35758335fc@mail.gmail.com> <20060327072540.0a236010@localhost> <442841E6.9030200@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: On 3/28/06, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Loki Davison wrote: > > > > > Side chain compressors can also help a lot. Having an env on frequency > > is really nice too, dropping the frequency with time. > > http://loki.theworldsbestdomain.com/notbigfish.ogg example of quite a > > big punchy bass. > > > > Loki > > > > Yeah, that's more the kind of sound I would like to generate. Do you > have an ssm or pd sample setup? > Missed that reply sorry about delay! i did it in om. Using nekobee, sineshaper, and swh's compressor. However due to minor issues that are since fixed with om the settings for nekobee didn't save right, so don't have a file to send you ;-). Similar bass can be got by lengthening the decay on the smack 909 drum. I'm trying to work out how to get a reggae style bass. I can't get it organic enough and deep enough. Might be my lack of skills though ;-) Loki From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Apr 3 02:37:52 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Apr 3 02:35:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi<>vi keymappings In-Reply-To: <20060403012745.GD2833@replic.net> References: <442A90DD.7000605@gmail.com> <442EEC99.40908@bigfoot.com> <200604020016.36761.ce@christeck.de> <200604021037.54981.rj@spamatica.se> <44307406.10205@bigfoot.com> <20060403012745.GD2833@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060403073752.369c9efa@localhost> On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 01:27:45 +0000 carmen wrote: > > (just in case you don't know about vi - it's an editor with interface > > that is an absolute heaven if you know how to use it but a total hell > > for any novice, I mentioned it as an example of an interface done by > > programmers for programmers) > > huh? its an interface most everyone here is familiar with. check out this nifty diagram: > > http://www.viemu.com/vi-vim-cheat-sheet.gif > ; > A Nope. Took one look at it a couple of years ago and ran away screaming. -- F From carotinobg at yahoo.it Mon Apr 3 05:18:12 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Mon Apr 3 05:30:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <20060402201905.GA2833@replic.net> References: <20060402201905.GA2833@replic.net> Message-ID: <200604031118.12434.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 22:19, domenica 2 aprile 2006, carmen ha scritto: > > if it really is Gnome dependent, I insist in my thesis that > > configuration tools should be distro and desktop independent > > im willing to guess these days more (especially new) users on a % basis > have gnome-libs installed than the ncurses that alsaconf uses.. For sake of who doesn't have a single still of Gnome, I think it's better to link to the plain GTK, which is way more spreaded... Byez! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From carotinobg at yahoo.it Mon Apr 3 05:25:22 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Mon Apr 3 05:30:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144013548.11043.52.camel@mindpipe> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <1144012459.8812.10.camel@eviltwin> <1144013548.11043.52.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200604031125.22988.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 23:32, domenica 2 aprile 2006, Lee Revell ha scritto: > The mainline kernel has good audio performance for the past several > releases. I can get 5.33 ms with a SBLive and a vanilla 2.6.16, on a PIII 866, with Xruns at opening of programs, and being able to charge up to 90% of CPU. I think this is what you mean with "good audio performance":) I tried a RT-patched kernel, but it was instable, and moreover I don't feel I need it. Byez! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From steiner at block4.com Mon Apr 3 06:33:32 2006 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Mon Apr 3 06:27:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Snare Synthesis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4430F9FC.4060400@block4.com> Here is a good guide to drumsynthesis by the german company Waldorf: http://waldorf.electro-music.com/attack/docs/attackdrumsounds.pdf -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- Elektronengehirn concert 29. April 2006 KuBaSta Hamburg, Germany more at blog 4, also available as rss feed: http://java.block4.com/blog4/ From linuxuadio at rytmisk.net Mon Apr 3 07:17:24 2006 From: linuxuadio at rytmisk.net (Ketil Thorgersen) Date: Mon Apr 3 07:16:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Rosegarden-user] Musix GNU+Linux 0.39 has been released! In-Reply-To: <200603301723.41574.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200603301723.41574.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44310444.2030302@rytmisk.net> > =What's new in Musix 0.39= > > * Rosegarden4 1.2.3 (Musix is the first distro to provide this version. > Thanks to Silvan and Rosegarden's Great Team!) > Seems great! However I would absolutely love if I could use this packaged rosegarden on my ubuntu breezy! The one I have installed at the moment is from musix, but the lates at that repository is 1.0.1-1(which works great by the way.) Is 1.2.3 available as deb somewhere? Best regards Ketil From b0ef at esben-stien.name Mon Apr 3 09:52:53 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Mon Apr 3 08:04:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> (John Mulholland's message of "Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:12:38 +0100") References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <87fykuzryi.fsf@esben-stien.name> John Mulholland writes: > anywhere (I) can suggest an application to be developed? It would probably be best if you stated your needs. There probably is some way to solve your problem with existing applications. If not, and it's a good idea, it will highly likely be picked up;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Apr 3 09:17:17 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Apr 3 09:18:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Snare Synthesis In-Reply-To: <4430F9FC.4060400@block4.com> References: <4430F9FC.4060400@block4.com> Message-ID: > http://waldorf.electro-music.com/attack/docs/attackdrumsounds.pdf Thanks Malte, this is some great info! It's very reassuring that the 'classic' drum machines don't create their drum machines through a secret ritual ceremony involving straw figures and pin pricks. >From what the text says, my 'hard snare' sound is very similar to the Roland 808 hand clap. It's beautiful how all these different musicians use different techniques to make people feel good. We code our asses off and introduce two exponential envelopes to a white noise source, and African Americans build cathedrals and clap their hands in them. ;) Much appreciated, Malte. Carlo From hardbop200 at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 09:26:29 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Mon Apr 3 09:26:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] question about jackd/qjackctl options In-Reply-To: <1143893528.7539.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <442E33B3.4060105@zhevny.com> <1143887630.8597.2.camel@puppeli> <1143893528.7539.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 4/1/06, Paul Davis wrote: > actually, this is the opposite of the intent. > > softmode is there mostly for people who want to use JACK in, for > example, live situations where the occasional xrun is not a disaster. > they want realtime latency settings, but don't want any clients kicked > out if there is an xrun. if the watchdog doesn't work in softmode, its a > bug. > > --p Wow, this explains a lot for me. I'm trying to use it live, but I have never checked the softmode options. Many of my apps produce xruns when they start, and thus the client disconnects. It's good to know there may be a way to avoid this. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Apr 3 09:38:39 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Apr 3 09:35:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] question about jackd/qjackctl options In-Reply-To: References: <442E33B3.4060105@zhevny.com> <1143887630.8597.2.camel@puppeli> <1143893528.7539.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1144071519.27059.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 08:26 -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > On 4/1/06, Paul Davis wrote: > > actually, this is the opposite of the intent. > > > > softmode is there mostly for people who want to use JACK in, for > > example, live situations where the occasional xrun is not a disaster. > > they want realtime latency settings, but don't want any clients kicked > > out if there is an xrun. if the watchdog doesn't work in softmode, its a > > bug. > > > > --p > > Wow, this explains a lot for me. I'm trying to use it live, but I > have never checked the softmode options. Many of my apps produce > xruns when they start, and thus the client disconnects. It's good to > know there may be a way to avoid this. my description was actually misleading. i apologize for that. the main point of softmode is to ignore ALSA-reported xruns. it is not related to client handling. this has often been requested, but its actually much harder to do than it may appear. --p From hardbop200 at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 09:47:31 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Mon Apr 3 09:47:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144019434.16373.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <1144019434.16373.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 4/2/06, Dave Robillard wrote: > Ooh, users with great ideas for apps? Yeah, that and a dollar will get > you a cup of coffee. ;) > > Now if you want to set up a bounty system where users donate money to be > claimed by a dev who does it, you might have something.... > > -DR- Google is doing something like this with Google Research: an individual submits a question that will require some research, and submits a dollar amount that they are willing to pay to have the question answered. I would gladly pay to have config files, bash scripts, etc. written by someone knowledgeable to save me time. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From hardbop200 at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 10:14:21 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Mon Apr 3 10:14:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Issues with fst and vst zombification Message-ID: Hello list, I need some help with fst. I've installed Wine and fst per the instructions, and some vst instruments run just fine. Others, like MrRay73 and OrganizedTrio, zombify immediately when they are started. fst only reports that the plugin has zombified, and disconnects from jack. Is there anything I can do to troubleshoot this? Does fst keep a log somewhere that I can check for the specific reasons why a plugin zombifies? If there are build options for fst that will direct it to be more verbose, that would be fine too. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From eric at zhevny.com Mon Apr 3 10:17:25 2006 From: eric at zhevny.com (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Mon Apr 3 10:17:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] question about jackd/qjackctl options In-Reply-To: <1143917372.30769.1.camel@mindpipe> References: <442E33B3.4060105@zhevny.com> <1143887630.8597.2.camel@puppeli> <1143893528.7539.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> <442EC613.4030608@zhevny.com> <1143917372.30769.1.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44312E75.5040103@zhevny.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 13:27 -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: >>Thanks Paul. This is what I was hoping to hear. At RFA they probably >>don't want Rivendell's caed (core audio engine daemon) getting kicked >>out by jack in the middle of a broadcast. > Soft mode is an OK workaround, but you should still try to get the > bug(s) in Rivendell fixed that are causing JACK to kick it out. There aren't currenlty bugs of that nature, as far as I know. I've never seen caed get kicked out, except while working on the code trying to fix other issues. I'm asking about this just as a precaution. -ERic Rz. From eric at zhevny.com Mon Apr 3 10:22:12 2006 From: eric at zhevny.com (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Mon Apr 3 10:22:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] question about jackd/qjackctl options In-Reply-To: <53C7C134-CFDA-46D6-9A5C-B4AE730BB059@spamblock.demon.co.uk> References: <442E33B3.4060105@zhevny.com> <1143887630.8597.2.camel@puppeli> <1143893528.7539.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> <442EC613.4030608@zhevny.com> <1143917372.30769.1.camel@mindpipe> <53C7C134-CFDA-46D6-9A5C-B4AE730BB059@spamblock.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <44312F94.9060509@zhevny.com> Dan Mills wrote: > On 1 Apr 2006, at 19:49, Lee Revell wrote: >> On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 13:27 -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: >>> Thanks Paul. This is what I was hoping to hear. At RFA they probably >>> don't want Rivendell's caed (core audio engine daemon) getting kicked >>> out by jack in the middle of a broadcast. >> Soft mode is an OK workaround, but you should still try to get the >> bug(s) in Rivendell fixed that are causing JACK to kick it out. > There are caed bugs causing this! Please tell! No, no. Sorry, that was not what I was saying at all. See my other reply. I just wanted to know as a precaution. > As far as I can see the process callback is completely lock free, if > not I want to know... Likewise. It's fine. I've just a found a few ways to make it miss the deadline due to some changes I tried in my own attempts at trying to fix a different issue. > Now if you are setting soft mode for insurance that is another thing, Exactly the intent of my question. > but please report any instances of caed getting kicked by jack (I have > never seen it happen). Of course. As said, I haven't seen it happen other than when I changed something in a stupid way. Sorry to have caused you stress and alarm, Dan. ;) -Eric Rz. From eric at zhevny.com Mon Apr 3 10:27:02 2006 From: eric at zhevny.com (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Mon Apr 3 10:27:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] question about jackd/qjackctl options In-Reply-To: References: <442E33B3.4060105@zhevny.com> <1143887630.8597.2.camel@puppeli> <1143893528.7539.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> <442EC613.4030608@zhevny.com> <1143917372.30769.1.camel@mindpipe> <53C7C134-CFDA-46D6-9A5C-B4AE730BB059@spamblock.demon.co.uk> <1143996139.6601.68.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <443130B6.9030909@zhevny.com> Dan Mills wrote: > On 2 Apr 2006, at 17:42, Lee Revell wrote: >> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 17:21 +0100, Dan Mills wrote: >>> On 1 Apr 2006, at 19:49, Lee Revell wrote: >>>> On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 13:27 -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: >>>>> Thanks Paul. This is what I was hoping to hear. At RFA they probably >>>>> don't want Rivendell's caed (core audio engine daemon) getting kicked >>>>> out by jack in the middle of a broadcast. >>>> Soft mode is an OK workaround, but you should still try to get the >>>> bug(s) in Rivendell fixed that are causing JACK to kick it out. >>> There are caed bugs causing this! Please tell! >> Yes - JACK will only kicks out clients that take too long in the >> process() callback. Kernel induced xruns will not cause clients to be >> disconnected. >> If you build JACK with the preemption check option and use an -rt kernel >> with the debug options enabled you may be able to get a stack trace if >> the app blocks in the process() callback, but it won't help to debug a >> client that simply takes too long. > The thing is, the RT thread is just not that CPU intensive, all the > heavy lifting > is done in the disk butler thread and the communication is via lock > free ring > buffers and volatile flags. > CAED should NOT be doing this! it's not. > Now it is possible for the disk (or network IO to under run in which > case the audio > breaks up, but that does not impact the process callaback. > > Eric, can we have a way to reproduce please, this needs sorting. patch -p1 < erics_braindead_patch There is nothing to worry about. The question just came to mind because I had managed to screw caed up enough to get it kicked out, so it occured to me that we might want to consider softmode just for insurance. Again, as far as I know the distributed caed does not have a realtimeness problem. mea culpa. -ERic Rz. From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 12:17:01 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Apr 3 12:17:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Khagan 0.1 released. Message-ID: G'day All, The first release of Khagan is now out! Khagan is a live user interface builder for controlling parameters via OSC. It's mainly aimed at the Om modular synth but anything OSC can be controlled. You can create gui's using the phat widgets. The pad widget is xinput ready and if used with a graphics tablet allows 5-d control. Khagan requires pyphat, pygtk and pyxml. Khagan screenshots, download and more info can be found at http://khagan.berlios.de/ Please let me know if you run into troubles using/installing khagan or if you just want to suggest new features, etc. Cheers, Loki From ce at christeck.de Mon Apr 3 12:38:21 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Apr 3 12:37:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <200604031118.12434.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <20060402201905.GA2833@replic.net> <200604031118.12434.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200604031838.21906.ce@christeck.de> > For sake of who doesn't have a single still of Gnome, I think it's > better to link to the plain GTK, which is way more spreaded... or alternatively Qt. ;) Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Mon Apr 3 12:39:28 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Apr 3 12:39:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144016414.11043.58.camel@mindpipe> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <200604022353.53735.ce@christeck.de> <1144016414.11043.58.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200604031839.28973.ce@christeck.de> > Yes, it's just a python script, I couldn't easily find the source > other than in a .deb so here it is. thanks a bunch! Best regards ce From prthomas at toast.net Mon Apr 3 13:34:20 2006 From: prthomas at toast.net (pete thomas) Date: Mon Apr 3 13:34:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Snd enhancements Message-ID: <1144085659.3650.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I'm a new Linux/Snd user trying to run Dave Phillips Snd enhancements (misc.scm). The enhanced Snd runs for a bit and then exits with: X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attribute) Major Opcode of failed request: 1 (X_CreateWindow) Snd (7.16, from PlanetCCRMA) works without the enhancements (except under jack for recording, which is for another post). Thanks, pete thomas From florin at andrei.myip.org Mon Apr 3 13:58:01 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Mon Apr 3 13:58:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with free software In-Reply-To: <20060402142543.61082.qmail@web26011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060402142543.61082.qmail@web26011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1144087081.2372.15.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 15:25 +0100, Rik Baeten wrote: > > Well done. Tighten up that piano a little bit and it's ready for > > broadcast. > Thanks! > > What do you mean by tightening: > - compressing the sound > - more strict in time > - removing/syncing some bad notes The latter two. Compression - I don't think it's needed, but that track does sound a bit weird to me. Perhaps remix it? I dunno. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 3 14:28:44 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 3 14:28:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1 Message-ID: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> Does anyone out there have Skype working with an emu10k1 (specifically Audigy2 ZS)? I just installed it, plugged my headset into the front panel Headphones and Line2/Mic2 jack, and called the echo service. I can hear my voice OK but the other end sounds TERRIBLE, full of pops and clicks. Is Skype for Linux really such a piece of crap, that it won't work with one of the best supported devices? Lee From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Apr 3 14:39:56 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Apr 3 14:36:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1 In-Reply-To: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> References: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1144089596.27059.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 14:28 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > Does anyone out there have Skype working with an emu10k1 (specifically > Audigy2 ZS)? > > I just installed it, plugged my headset into the front panel Headphones > and Line2/Mic2 jack, and called the echo service. I can hear my voice > OK but the other end sounds TERRIBLE, full of pops and clicks. > > Is Skype for Linux really such a piece of crap, that it won't work with > one of the best supported devices? i've used it on an ICH5 device. it worked fine. very susceptible to network quality of service issues though, and both ends must be using a headset to avoid stupid echoes. one of my call targets had to switch from wireless to wired connectivity with his router in order for us to get acceptable quality. --p From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 3 14:49:16 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 3 14:49:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1 In-Reply-To: <1144089596.27059.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> <1144089596.27059.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1144090158.17713.29.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 14:39 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 14:28 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > Does anyone out there have Skype working with an emu10k1 (specifically > > Audigy2 ZS)? > > > > I just installed it, plugged my headset into the front panel Headphones > > and Line2/Mic2 jack, and called the echo service. I can hear my voice > > OK but the other end sounds TERRIBLE, full of pops and clicks. > > > > Is Skype for Linux really such a piece of crap, that it won't work with > > one of the best supported devices? > > i've used it on an ICH5 device. it worked fine. very susceptible to > network quality of service issues though, and both ends must be using a > headset to avoid stupid echoes. one of my call targets had to switch > from wireless to wired connectivity with his router in order for us to > get acceptable quality. Yeah I have a headset, and I'm plugged directly into my router. No wireless. I am wondering if the Skype echo service is just overloaded. Is there a public network QoS/latency test I can use, similar to the old "DSL bandwidth testers"? Lee From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Apr 3 14:56:50 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Apr 3 14:54:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Spring Clean Message-ID: <20060403195650.3e175d0f@localhost> Well after some thought I decided to give my website a tidy up. Also investigating ogg, mp3 etc. players and converters I realised there is more out there than I thought. With that in mind I have begun the oggification of my music, and just put a link to information for my friends who use a 'different' OS - not that anyone here will need it! In the process I've made a few tweaks (I can never resist the urge to fiddle) and there are some new tracks as well. Some are just musical 'toys' others, such as 'Dreamer' more serious - if that's the right word. There *shouldn't* be any problems with the site. If there are please let me know. As usual the website is http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org Enjoy. -- F From torbenh at gmx.de Mon Apr 3 14:52:41 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Mon Apr 3 14:56:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Issues with fst and vst zombification In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060403185241.GB7952@mobilat> On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:14:21AM -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > Hello list, > > I need some help with fst. I've installed Wine and fst per the > instructions, and some vst instruments run just fine. Others, like > MrRay73 and OrganizedTrio, zombify immediately when they are started. > fst only reports that the plugin has zombified, and disconnects from > jack. Is there anything I can do to troubleshoot this? Does fst keep > a log somewhere that I can check for the specific reasons why a plugin > zombifies? If there are build options for fst that will direct it to > be more verbose, that would be fine too. just run zombiefiers with -r that should do it. > > -- > Josh Lawrence > http://www.hardbop200.com > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From jri at broadpark.no Mon Apr 3 14:59:11 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Mon Apr 3 14:59:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1 In-Reply-To: <1144090158.17713.29.camel@mindpipe> References: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> <1144089596.27059.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144090158.17713.29.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4431707F.7090404@broadpark.no> Lee Revell wrote: > Yeah I have a headset, and I'm plugged directly into my router. No > wireless. > > I am wondering if the Skype echo service is just overloaded. Why don't you try Wengo: http://openwengo.com/ I've just briefly tried it myself, but on paper it should be way better than Skype. It is GPL, supports SIP, SMS, video, different voice codecs, etc... -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.1go.dk/ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 3 15:13:18 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 3 15:13:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1 In-Reply-To: <4431707F.7090404@broadpark.no> References: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> <1144089596.27059.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144090158.17713.29.camel@mindpipe> <4431707F.7090404@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <1144091599.17713.34.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 20:59 +0200, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > Yeah I have a headset, and I'm plugged directly into my router. No > > wireless. > > > > I am wondering if the Skype echo service is just overloaded. > > Why don't you try Wengo: > http://openwengo.com/ > > I've just briefly tried it myself, but on paper it should be way better > than Skype. It is GPL, supports SIP, SMS, video, different voice codecs, > etc... > I have tried it. I need a solution that's interoperable with Skype. Lee From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Apr 3 15:16:46 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Apr 3 15:18:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1 In-Reply-To: <1144090158.17713.29.camel@mindpipe> References: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> <1144089596.27059.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144090158.17713.29.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: This give me hope. Maybe proprietary technology IS inherently inferior! I wonder if SIP would work. Carlo From jri at broadpark.no Mon Apr 3 15:27:58 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Mon Apr 3 15:28:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1 In-Reply-To: References: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> <1144089596.27059.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144090158.17713.29.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4431773E.9080900@broadpark.no> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > This give me hope. Maybe proprietary technology IS inherently inferior! Dunno, but, the IT-personell of my local university banned Skype after they discovered it turns itself into a server if it detects good enough bandwith after some time online. This server is then used to distribute other people's calls. In other words, it uses your bandwidth for it's own business without telling you. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.1go.dk/ From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Apr 3 15:29:27 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Apr 3 15:30:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Khagan 0.1 released. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: LMAO! That site's hilarious... N looking forward to give your ware a try! Carlo Loki Davison schrieb: > G'day All, > > The first release of Khagan is now out! > > Khagan is a live user interface builder for controlling parameters via > OSC. It's mainly aimed at the Om modular synth but anything OSC can be > controlled. You can create gui's using the phat widgets. The pad > widget is xinput ready and if used with a graphics tablet allows 5-d > control. > > Khagan requires pyphat, pygtk and pyxml. > Khagan screenshots, download and more info can be found at > http://khagan.berlios.de/ > > Please let me know if you run into troubles using/installing khagan or > if you just want to suggest new features, etc. > > Cheers, > Loki > From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 15:39:07 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Mon Apr 3 15:39:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <003401c65756$4a974770$3402a8c0@64BitBadass> Hi John (and others), > 2. Sometime ago I registered opensourcemusic.info. It is very out of > date, and a bit shabby really. I was hoping to turn it into a simple > listings site for newbies. Perhaps have LAA mails autoposted. Anyone > have any ideas what to do with it? IMHO, consolidation of sites is probably better idea than further dilution for the sake of minimizing outdated/incorrect documentation, dead links, as well as providing one standardized, exhaustive, and (hopefully) user-friendly resource. > > 3. I have been chatting with Gianluca who runs openjay about the idea of > putting together a little award or prize for the LAU community. Perhaps > for the years best project or individual. It wouldnt be too difficult to > set up a poll which people can suggest a project/person and vote on it. > I am unemployed at the moment, but happy to contribute some funds. I am > sure many others would be. It is another oppurtunity to give something > back. What do you think? This is one of the things on the Linuxaudio.org's TODO list which will hopefully materialize once we become incorporated and raise some funds. With the board's blessing, other programs will include similar prizes for artists, annual CD compilation, juried journal, etc. Best wishes, Ico From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 3 15:39:17 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 3 15:39:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1 In-Reply-To: <4431773E.9080900@broadpark.no> References: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> <1144089596.27059.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144090158.17713.29.camel@mindpipe> <4431773E.9080900@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <1144093162.17713.37.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 21:27 +0200, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > This give me hope. Maybe proprietary technology IS inherently inferior! > > Dunno, but, the IT-personell of my local university banned Skype after > they discovered it turns itself into a server if it detects good enough > bandwith after some time online. This server is then used to distribute > other people's calls. In other words, it uses your bandwidth for it's > own business without telling you. > Well, I don't see a problem with that, Skype is a P2P app - of course it's a client and a server. I'd just like to know if one person has it working with the emu10k1 driver. Lee From jri at broadpark.no Mon Apr 3 16:08:44 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Mon Apr 3 16:08:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1 In-Reply-To: <1144093162.17713.37.camel@mindpipe> References: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> <1144089596.27059.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144090158.17713.29.camel@mindpipe> <4431773E.9080900@broadpark.no> <1144093162.17713.37.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <443180CC.6040105@broadpark.no> Lee Revell wrote: > Well, I don't see a problem with that, Skype is a P2P app - of course > it's a client and a server. > > I'd just like to know if one person has it working with the emu10k1 > driver. Well, OK then ,) I've used Skype with the emu10k1 driver, but this is with the SBLiveDrive II, not the Audigy. It has always worked fluently. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.1go.dk/ From jacob01 at gmx.net Mon Apr 3 16:17:36 2006 From: jacob01 at gmx.net (Jacob) Date: Mon Apr 3 16:15:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1 In-Reply-To: <1144093162.17713.37.camel@mindpipe> References: <441FD703.2020800@interkiez.de> <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> <1144089596.27059.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144090158.17713.29.camel@mindpipe> <4431773E.9080900@broadpark.no> <1144093162.17713.37.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060403201736.GW26488@localhost> On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 03:39:17PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 21:27 +0200, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > > Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > > This give me hope. Maybe proprietary technology IS inherently inferior! > > > > Dunno, but, the IT-personell of my local university banned Skype after > > they discovered it turns itself into a server if it detects good enough > > bandwith after some time online. This server is then used to distribute > > other people's calls. In other words, it uses your bandwidth for it's > > own business without telling you. > > > > Well, I don't see a problem with that, Skype is a P2P app - of course > it's a client and a server. But I see a problem with skype's b0rken encryption (they seem to use the same RC4 sequence twice, with a lot of known plain text bytes in the first run, so hacking this is straight forward) and the possibility for others to make their computer a supernode which might route my call if I am behind a firewall. For more details see: http://www.golem.de/0603/44146.html (german) http://www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.handout.pdf (link taken from above document, very interesting) > > I'd just like to know if one person has it working with the emu10k1 > driver. Sorry for not answering your question either. Jacob From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Mon Apr 3 16:30:30 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Mon Apr 3 16:30:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144012363.11043.43.camel@mindpipe> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <5bdc1c8b0604021022u7e14ff8fk6908df2973b9c76a@mail.gmail.com> <1144007055.7157.6.camel@eviltwin> <200604022205.49503.ce@christeck.de> <1144011131.8812.0.camel@eviltwin> <1144012363.11043.43.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1144096230.26294.19.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 17:12 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 15:52 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > > So my thesis is: Planet CCRMA or DeMuDi are temporary projects > > because > > > the other distros are not prepared optimally for audio work. If > > these > > > were, there was no need for specialized audio distros. > > > > > > > True. Unfortunately it looks like it will be a while before any > > of the big distros will be ready. > > I disagree, I think the next release of all the major distros should be > usable OOTB for audio. Depends on the definition of "usable", I guess. Do you think they will include access to SCHED_FIFO out of the box? -- Fernando From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Mon Apr 3 16:32:27 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Mon Apr 3 16:32:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <200604022205.49503.ce@christeck.de> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <5bdc1c8b0604021022u7e14ff8fk6908df2973b9c76a@mail.gmail.com> <1144007055.7157.6.camel@eviltwin> <200604022205.49503.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1144096347.26294.22.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 22:05 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > > If you're a > > newbie and you're really serious about getting sound to work you're > > better off with Planet CCRMA or DeMuDi. > > Both are really cool distros for audio stuff, but even musicians use a > computer for more than just audio stuff. Planet CCRMA and DeMuDi are not restricted to just audio stuff. Planet CCRMA is based on Fedora Core, which is, I guess, a general purpose distro. DeMuDI is based in Debian - can't think of anything more general purpose than Debian. Both core distros include tons of packages that are not audio related. > So my thesis is: Planet CCRMA or DeMuDi are temporary projects because > the other distros are not prepared optimally for audio work. If these > were, there was no need for specialized audio distros. Correct... -- Fernando From ce at christeck.de Mon Apr 3 16:42:11 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Apr 3 16:41:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144096347.26294.22.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <200604022205.49503.ce@christeck.de> <1144096347.26294.22.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <200604032242.11729.ce@christeck.de> > > So my thesis is: Planet CCRMA or DeMuDi are temporary projects > > because the other distros are not prepared optimally for audio > > work. If these were, there was no need for specialized audio > > distros. > > Correct... ...and Fernando could do more interesting things than building packages ;) . Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Mon Apr 3 16:44:58 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Apr 3 16:44:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144096230.26294.19.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <1144012363.11043.43.camel@mindpipe> <1144096230.26294.19.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <200604032244.59042.ce@christeck.de> > Depends on the definition of "usable", I guess. Do you think they > will include access to SCHED_FIFO out of the box? I think it's more than just that. It's even the preconfiguration of other parts of the system that makes musicians happy users of the specialized distros. Best regards ce From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 3 16:49:40 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 3 16:50:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144096230.26294.19.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <5bdc1c8b0604021022u7e14ff8fk6908df2973b9c76a@mail.gmail.com> <1144007055.7157.6.camel@eviltwin> <200604022205.49503.ce@christeck.de> <1144011131.8812.0.camel@eviltwin> <1144012363.11043.43.camel@mindpipe> <1144096230.26294.19.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1144097383.17713.65.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 13:30 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > I disagree, I think the next release of all the major distros should > be > > usable OOTB for audio. > > Depends on the definition of "usable", I guess. Do you think they will > include access to SCHED_FIFO out of the box? Ubuntu Dapper will. It can't be enabled OOTB because of the "secure by default" requirement, but all that's needed is to add: * rtprio hard 99 * nice hard -20 to /etc/security/limits.conf. I'm running it now, it works perfectly. Running for several days, max latency so far with 2.6.16 vanilla (+ latency trace patch) and a 600MHz box is only ~5.5ms. I would expect the next Fedora release to also support this, if FC5 doesn't already, all that's needed are recent PAM and glibc. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 3 17:00:18 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 3 17:00:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1 In-Reply-To: <20060403201736.GW26488@localhost> References: <441FD703.2020800@interkiez.de> <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> <1144089596.27059.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144090158.17713.29.camel@mindpipe> <4431773E.9080900@broadpark.no> <1144093162.17713.37.camel@mindpipe> <20060403201736.GW26488@localhost> Message-ID: <1144098026.17713.73.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 22:17 +0200, Jacob wrote: > But I see a problem with skype's b0rken encryption (they seem to use > the same RC4 sequence twice, with a lot of known plain text bytes in > the first run, so hacking this is straight forward) and the > possibility for others to make their computer a supernode which might > route my call if I am behind a firewall. > > For more details see: > http://www.golem.de/0603/44146.html (german) > http://www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.handout.pdf (link taken from > above document, very interesting) Yup, I've read that doc - I'm not a crypto expert so can't really comment. Oh well, I guess I have to try the AC97 mic port on the back of the card, and if that fails, the onboard Via sound. Hmm, I do have an old hub behind my DSL router, maybe I have to bypass it... Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 3 17:10:16 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 3 17:10:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <200604032244.59042.ce@christeck.de> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <1144012363.11043.43.camel@mindpipe> <1144096230.26294.19.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <200604032244.59042.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1144098618.17713.80.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 22:44 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > Depends on the definition of "usable", I guess. Do you think they > > will include access to SCHED_FIFO out of the box? > > I think it's more than just that. It's even the preconfiguration of > other parts of the system that makes musicians happy users of the > specialized distros. True, but until the generic distros provide a basic platform that RT audio can work on, it's impossible to even fully describe the problem. Maybe the specialized distros will be needed, maybe not - there's no telling. It would certainly make their job easier to only have to build userspace packages, rather than having to hack the kernel and glibc... Lee From ce at christeck.de Mon Apr 3 17:23:45 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Apr 3 17:23:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144098618.17713.80.camel@mindpipe> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <200604032244.59042.ce@christeck.de> <1144098618.17713.80.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200604032323.45729.ce@christeck.de> > It would certainly make their job easier to only have to build > userspace packages, rather than having to hack the kernel and > glibc... absolutely! Best regards ce From ivalladolidt at terra.es Mon Apr 3 17:33:55 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Mon Apr 3 17:31:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1 In-Reply-To: References: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> <1144089596.27059.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144090158.17713.29.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060403213354.GA1931537@rebeca> Carlo Capocasa escribe: > This give me hope. Maybe proprietary technology IS inherently inferior! > > I wonder if SIP would work. Is Ekiga interoperable with Skype (sure isn't!)? Is any OS solution interoperable with Skype (sure isn't either)? Is Ekiga interoperable with Wengo? Is there any Jabber based voice/webcam application available? Note that chatting using Jabber and voicing/webcamming using Ekiga/NetMeeting should be enough, though. Any pointers welcome. Cordially, Ismael -- Why seek? Choose any love pi11 you want! http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From james at dis-dot-dat.net Mon Apr 3 17:39:11 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Mon Apr 3 17:39:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Spring Clean In-Reply-To: <20060403195650.3e175d0f@localhost> References: <20060403195650.3e175d0f@localhost> Message-ID: <20060403213303.GA10205@phlunky.Belkin> On Mon, 03 Apr, 2006 at 07:56PM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > Well after some thought I decided to give my website a tidy up. Also > investigating ogg, mp3 etc. players and converters I realised there is > more out there than I thought. With that in mind I have begun the > oggification of my music, and just put a link to information for my > friends who use a 'different' OS - not that anyone here will need it! > > In the process I've made a few tweaks (I can never resist the urge to > fiddle) and there are some new tracks as well. Some are just musical > 'toys' others, such as 'Dreamer' more serious - if that's the right > word. There *shouldn't* be any problems with the site. If there are > please let me know. Not a problem, but a tiny suggestion: Make track names emphasised. It would make it a whole lot easier to read. James > As usual the website is http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org > > Enjoy. > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From steffl at bigfoot.com Mon Apr 3 17:41:44 2006 From: steffl at bigfoot.com (Erik Steffl) Date: Mon Apr 3 17:43:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1 In-Reply-To: <1144093162.17713.37.camel@mindpipe> References: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> <1144089596.27059.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144090158.17713.29.camel@mindpipe> <4431773E.9080900@broadpark.no> <1144093162.17713.37.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44319698.8010401@bigfoot.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 21:27 +0200, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > >>Carlo Capocasa wrote: >> >>>This give me hope. Maybe proprietary technology IS inherently inferior! >> >>Dunno, but, the IT-personell of my local university banned Skype after >>they discovered it turns itself into a server if it detects good enough >>bandwith after some time online. This server is then used to distribute >>other people's calls. In other words, it uses your bandwidth for it's >>own business without telling you. >> > > > Well, I don't see a problem with that, Skype is a P2P app - of course > it's a client and a server. > > I'd just like to know if one person has it working with the emu10k1 > driver. I had it working with SB live 5.1 platinum, I had to play with mixer forever to get acceptable level of capture, I still don't know what fixed it. However regarless of volume level it was pretty smooth, about the same as phone However this was done using a friend's skype on the other end, don't remember whether I got echo working... my experiments were done using: skype-1.2.0.18 alsa that comes with kernel 2.6.11 DSL line (on both ends) erik From hardbop200 at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 17:50:32 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Mon Apr 3 17:50:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Issues with fst and vst zombification In-Reply-To: <20060403185241.GB7952@mobilat> References: <20060403185241.GB7952@mobilat> Message-ID: On 4/3/06, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > just run zombiefiers with -r > that should do it. > -- > torben Hohn > http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language Hey Torbin, Do you mean: ./fst -r ? -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Apr 3 17:54:47 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon Apr 3 17:55:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Rosegarden-user] Musix GNU+Linux 0.39 has been released! In-Reply-To: <44310444.2030302@rytmisk.net> References: <200603301723.41574.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <44310444.2030302@rytmisk.net> Message-ID: <200604032354.48058.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Monday 03 April 2006 13:17, Ketil Thorgersen wrote: > > > > =What's new in Musix 0.39= > > > > * Rosegarden4 1.2.3 (Musix is the first distro to provide this version. > > Thanks to Silvan and Rosegarden's Great Team!) > > Seems great! However I would absolutely love if I could use this > packaged rosegarden on my ubuntu breezy! The one I have installed at the > moment is from musix, but the lates at that repository is 1.0.1-1(which > works great by the way.) > > Is 1.2.3 available as deb somewhere? > > Best regards > Ketil Hi Ketil. I saw some links a couple of weeks ago on the Rosegarden list, and I've just tracked them down, as I'd trashed the email somehow. These are the URL's for /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://vireo.org/debian/rosegarden4/binary/ deb-src http://vireo.org/debian/rosegarden4/source/ I havn't tried these. If you want to view the page they were posted on you can find it at http://www.rosegardenmusic.com. the mailing list archive at gmane seems to work better than the sourceforge one. the date is 13 March, and by Chris Cannam (debian-packages). Sorry I can't paste the link as it's up on the other machine. Nigel. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Apr 3 17:55:17 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon Apr 3 17:56:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1 In-Reply-To: <1144098026.17713.73.camel@mindpipe> References: <441FD703.2020800@interkiez.de> <20060403201736.GW26488@localhost> <1144098026.17713.73.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200604031755.17401.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 03 April 2006 17:00, Lee Revell wrote: >On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 22:17 +0200, Jacob wrote: >> But I see a problem with skype's b0rken encryption (they seem to use >> the same RC4 sequence twice, with a lot of known plain text bytes in >> the first run, so hacking this is straight forward) and the >> possibility for others to make their computer a supernode which >> might route my call if I am behind a firewall. >> >> For more details see: >> http://www.golem.de/0603/44146.html (german) >> http://www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.handout.pdf (link taken >> from above document, very interesting) > >Yup, I've read that doc - I'm not a crypto expert so can't really >comment. > >Oh well, I guess I have to try the AC97 mic port on the back of the >card, and if that fails, the onboard Via sound. > >Hmm, I do have an old hub behind my DSL router, maybe I have to bypass >it... I'm not doing anything unusual to my firewall or router at all Lee. And I am using skype occasionally, with it using the onboard nforce version of the av97 chipset. And except for needing to use 'skype_dsp_hijacker -2nd' in the icon to launch it, its all in the /etc/modules.conf file. I think maybe you even helped me set it up originally last fall. Do I need to copy that back to the list again? >Lee -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 3 18:04:19 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 3 18:04:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1 In-Reply-To: <200604031755.17401.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <441FD703.2020800@interkiez.de> <20060403201736.GW26488@localhost> <1144098026.17713.73.camel@mindpipe> <200604031755.17401.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1144101860.21342.21.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 17:55 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > I'm not doing anything unusual to my firewall or router at all Lee. > And I am using skype occasionally, with it using the onboard nforce > version of the av97 chipset. And except for needing to use > 'skype_dsp_hijacker -2nd' in the icon to launch it, its all in > the /etc/modules.conf file. I think maybe you even helped me set it > up originally last fall. Do I need to copy that back to the list > again? > No, it's obviously set up correctly (there's nothing to set up!), this must be a bug in Skype, because my network and sound work perfectly for everything else. Lee From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Apr 3 18:30:31 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon Apr 3 18:30:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Spring Clean In-Reply-To: <20060403195650.3e175d0f@localhost> References: <20060403195650.3e175d0f@localhost> Message-ID: <200604040030.31419.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Monday 03 April 2006 20:56, Folderol wrote: > Well after some thought I decided to give my website a tidy up. Also > investigating ogg, mp3 etc. players and converters I realised there is > more out there than I thought. With that in mind I have begun the > oggification of my music, and just put a link to information for my > friends who use a 'different' OS - not that anyone here will need it! > > In the process I've made a few tweaks (I can never resist the urge to > fiddle) and there are some new tracks as well. Some are just musical > 'toys' others, such as 'Dreamer' more serious - if that's the right > word. There *shouldn't* be any problems with the site. If there are > please let me know. > > As usual the website is http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org > > Enjoy. Hi Folderol. Thanks for the .oggs. There was an ogg player for Windoze that turned up on a list a bit back. http://coolplayer.sourceforge.net I DL'd it but havn't tried it, as I hardly use XP or ME these days. It may be worth putting the link to it on your site, for the sake of the Windows folks. Nigel. From fbar at footils.org Mon Apr 3 18:47:43 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon Apr 3 18:47:34 2006 Subject: Skype and LAU (Was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1) In-Reply-To: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> References: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060403224743.GB20375@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > Is Skype for Linux really such a piece of crap, that it won't work with > one of the best supported devices? Sorry if my next words sound grumpy, it's not meant to be that grumpy and of course it's not meant against you personally at all, rather to start a discussion on the general topic "Skype and LAU": In my opinion Skype questions are off-topic on this list. Any Skpe questions should go directly to the Skype support team. The Skype folks have made it clear that they don't want to deal with open source developers and they won't support open standards, instead they promote their proprietary system. I would prefer it if this mailing list would not become a Skype support forum. What do others think about this? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 3 19:03:51 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 3 19:04:03 2006 Subject: Skype and LAU (Was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1) In-Reply-To: <20060403224743.GB20375@fliwatut.scifi> References: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> <20060403224743.GB20375@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1144105432.21342.47.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 00:47 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > > > Is Skype for Linux really such a piece of crap, that it won't work with > > one of the best supported devices? > > Sorry if my next words sound grumpy, it's not meant to be that grumpy > and of course it's not meant against you personally at all, rather to > start a discussion on the general topic "Skype and LAU": > > In my opinion Skype questions are off-topic on this list. Any Skpe > questions should go directly to the Skype support team. The Skype > folks have made it clear that they don't want to deal with open source > developers and they won't support open standards, instead they promote > their proprietary system. I would prefer it if this mailing list would > not become a Skype support forum. > > What do others think about this? Well, people talk about proprietary VSTs all the time, and no one complains. But I see your point. Let's end the thread here. I didn't want to start a long discussion, but I guess I should have known it would happen. Lee From creisor at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 19:45:30 2006 From: creisor at gmail.com (Chris Reisor) Date: Mon Apr 3 19:45:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with free software In-Reply-To: <1143837213.5765.3.camel@zon> References: <1143837213.5765.3.camel@zon> Message-ID: <3e1f2d940604031645i600a5e14xae032e0471b115b4@mail.gmail.com> On 3/31/06, Rik Baeten wrote: > Hey, > > You can listen to a song I made with free software: > http://www.ikrik.org/music > > byebye, > Rik > > Good stuff, I like it. I think the piano sounds nice and organic against the electronic background. --chris From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Apr 3 20:31:44 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon Apr 3 20:31:51 2006 Subject: Skype and LAU (Was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1) In-Reply-To: <20060403224743.GB20375@fliwatut.scifi> References: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> <20060403224743.GB20375@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <200604032031.44414.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 03 April 2006 18:47, Frank Barknecht wrote: >Hallo, > >Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: >> Is Skype for Linux really such a piece of crap, that it won't work >> with one of the best supported devices? > >Sorry if my next words sound grumpy, it's not meant to be that grumpy >and of course it's not meant against you personally at all, rather to >start a discussion on the general topic "Skype and LAU": > >In my opinion Skype questions are off-topic on this list. Any Skpe >questions should go directly to the Skype support team. The Skype >folks have made it clear that they don't want to deal with open source >developers and they won't support open standards, instead they promote >their proprietary system. I would prefer it if this mailing list would >not become a Skype support forum. > >What do others think about this? > >Ciao I tend to disagree with this, after all skype is another form of audio usage that linux can do. Since I have in effect 2 audio cards, the one on the motherboard, not having near as many bells and whistles as the audigy 2 value, is isolated for use with skype, and all other system sounds are routed to the audigy. Someone on this list helped me achieve this, and I'll be only too glad to help someone else in a similar endeavor. The fact that skype is a controversial subject all by itself has little or nothing to do with it until they've been proven guilty of exploiting a yahoo/time warner sort of a TOS implementation. FWIW, thats exactly why my sig says what it says. No schmuck at aol/tw/yahoo is going to get rich from an innocently made remark I might make in an email message that passes through their servers without me being enriched by it when and if I discover it. Or at least thats how I intend it with my pre-emptive copyright notice. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 20:49:06 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Apr 3 20:49:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Khagan 0.1 released. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4/4/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > LMAO! That site's hilarious... N looking forward to give your ware a > try! Carlo > mmm, i'm wondering if this is a positive.... guess so ;) Loki From hardbop200 at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 22:33:58 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Mon Apr 3 22:35:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Issues with fst and vst zombification In-Reply-To: <20060403185241.GB7952@mobilat> References: <20060403185241.GB7952@mobilat> Message-ID: On 4/3/06, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > just run zombiefiers with -r > that should do it. Okay, I've tried it both ways: ./fst ../OrganizedTrio/OrganizedTrio.dll -r *Seems* to work, but I have no idea if this is where you meant to put it. Can you please clarify exactly where to put the -r switch? -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From 2357bd at gmail.com Tue Apr 4 02:42:08 2006 From: 2357bd at gmail.com (J. G.) Date: Tue Apr 4 02:42:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: On 4/2/06, John Mulholland wrote: > 1. Is there anywhere non programmers can suggest an application to be > developed? I am sure there are many non programmers with great ideas > lurking on this list. John, It seems to me that The Internet Archive (www.archive.org) was trying to get something like this going (in their software archive). I saw some proposals there, but they seem to only concern things of interest to The Internet Archive. That being said, one could write the documentation to a program, and then try to entice a programmer to write the corresponding program. (Before you flame me, please realize that I know that this is a rather naive assumption, given that nearly every programmer prefers to dictate the design of the program, write the actual program, and then write the documentation.) As has already been mentioned, we might all do well to use what we already have. I would like some easy way to attach metadata to my samples. (I'm looking at converting my samples to .flac files, attaching relevant tags, and using Beagle to index and search the metadata to solve this particular problem.) So, I would hope that either the specialty music distros would add more non music software, or that we get the most excellent kernel for sound on, say Debian, sometime relatively soon. (Hey DeMuDi developers, I'm glad Synaptic is in the current RC!!!!) I've been lurking on this list for 18 months now, and have learned so much from everyone. Thank you all. Yours, Jon G. From linuxuadio at rytmisk.net Tue Apr 4 04:57:09 2006 From: linuxuadio at rytmisk.net (Ketil Thorgersen) Date: Tue Apr 4 03:56:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Rosegarden-user] Musix GNU+Linux 0.39 has been released! In-Reply-To: <200604032354.48058.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200603301723.41574.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <44310444.2030302@rytmisk.net> <200604032354.48058.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <443234E5.2060906@rytmisk.net> Nigel Henry skrev: > On Monday 03 April 2006 13:17, Ketil Thorgersen wrote: > >> >> >> >>> =What's new in Musix 0.39= >>> >>> * Rosegarden4 1.2.3 (Musix is the first distro to provide this version. >>> Thanks to Silvan and Rosegarden's Great Team!) >>> >> Seems great! However I would absolutely love if I could use this >> packaged rosegarden on my ubuntu breezy! The one I have installed at the >> moment is from musix, but the lates at that repository is 1.0.1-1(which >> works great by the way.) >> >> Is 1.2.3 available as deb somewhere? >> >> Best regards >> Ketil >> > > Hi Ketil. I saw some links a couple of weeks ago on the Rosegarden list, and > I've just tracked them down, as I'd trashed the email somehow. These are the > URL's for /etc/apt/sources.list > > deb http://vireo.org/debian/rosegarden4/binary/ > deb-src http://vireo.org/debian/rosegarden4/source/ > > Thank you! Really kind! I tried to install it, but it had some dependences of kde stuff that I don't dare to bring into my breezy. Maybe it will work when Dapper comes out? Or is there a way to test this anyway? Best regards Ketil Thorgersen From dave at pawfal.org Tue Apr 4 05:15:22 2006 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Tue Apr 4 05:15:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Khagan 0.1 released. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57035.193.203.82.226.1144142122.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> > G'day All, > > The first release of Khagan is now out! > > Khagan is a live user interface builder for controlling parameters via > OSC. It's mainly aimed at the Om modular synth but anything OSC can be > controlled. You can create gui's using the phat widgets. The pad > widget is xinput ready and if used with a graphics tablet allows 5-d > control. This is great. I've been waiting for this (or an equivalent) to come along for a while. It's uses are not just for sound either - I can use it for controlling fluxus (http://www.pawfal.org/fluxus) cheers, dave From fbar at footils.org Tue Apr 4 05:32:25 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Apr 4 05:32:05 2006 Subject: Skype and LAU (Was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1) In-Reply-To: <200604032031.44414.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> <20060403224743.GB20375@fliwatut.scifi> <200604032031.44414.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20060404093225.GA24242@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Gene Heskett hat gesagt: // Gene Heskett wrote: > I tend to disagree with this, Good. Disagreement makes the world go round. > after all skype is another form of audio usage that linux can do. > Since I have in effect 2 audio cards, the one on the motherboard, > not having near as many bells and whistles as the audigy 2 value, is > isolated for use with skype, and all other system sounds are routed > to the audigy. Someone on this list helped me achieve this, and > I'll be only too glad to help someone else in a similar endeavor. I think this is a slightly different issue. Getting two soundcards to run and play nice with different applications is a general linux audio question. I'm more targetting questions like: "Skype doesn't make any sound, what can I do?" The only answer we can give is: "Does aplay work? Yes? Then you may contact the upstream authors of Skype, and tell them to fix their bugs or better yet use a free software to deliver your free speech through the net." Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From t_w_ at freenet.de Tue Apr 4 08:30:33 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Tue Apr 4 08:30:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Spring Clean In-Reply-To: <20060403195650.3e175d0f@localhost> References: <20060403195650.3e175d0f@localhost> Message-ID: <20060404123033.GA6780@charly.SWORD> On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 07:56:50PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > As usual the website is http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org Lonely Boy gets me. The sounds work to their best here. There's a quite intense feeling of lonelyness. Listening to it again, there's also a relaxing aspect to it. Cheers, Thorsten Wilms From linuxuadio at rytmisk.net Tue Apr 4 10:43:04 2006 From: linuxuadio at rytmisk.net (Ketil Thorgersen) Date: Tue Apr 4 09:42:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Rosegarden-user] Musix GNU+Linux 0.39 has been released! In-Reply-To: <200604032025.43100.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200603301723.41574.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <4430FFE0.2000300@rytmisk.net> <200604032025.43100.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <443285F8.1000307@rytmisk.net> Marcos Guglielmetti Gmail skrev: > El Lun 03 Abr 2006 12:58, Ketil Thorgersen escribi?: > >> >> >> >>> =What's new in Musix 0.39= >>> >>> * Rosegarden4 1.2.3 (Musix is the first distro to provide this >>> version. Thanks to Silvan and Rosegarden's Great Team!) >>> >> Seems great! However I would absolutely love if I could use this >> packaged rosegarden on my ubuntu breezy! The one I have installed at >> the moment is from musix, but the lates at that repository is >> 1.0.1-1(which works great by the way.) >> >> Is 1.2.3 available as deb somewhere? >> > > http://vireo.org/debian/rosegarden4/binary/ > > Hi, take care: you must fix a package's problem: > > ln -s /usr/bin/rosegardensequencer4 /usr/bin/rosegardensequencer > ln -s /usr/bin/rosegarden4 /usr/bin/rosegarden > > > Attached: a script that upgrades rosegarden4-dssi to rosegarden4 1.2.3 > > good luck, and tell me if you were successful > > > Hi I tried, but still there are dependancy problems. I guess I have to wait or force... Thanks a lot anyways!!! Best regards Ketil From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Apr 4 10:05:39 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue Apr 4 10:05:46 2006 Subject: Skype and LAU (Was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1) In-Reply-To: <20060404093225.GA24242@fliwatut.scifi> References: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> <200604032031.44414.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20060404093225.GA24242@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <200604041005.39792.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 04 April 2006 05:32, Frank Barknecht wrote: >Hallo, > >Gene Heskett hat gesagt: // Gene Heskett wrote: >> I tend to disagree with this, > >Good. Disagreement makes the world go round. > >> after all skype is another form of audio usage that linux can do. >> Since I have in effect 2 audio cards, the one on the motherboard, >> not having near as many bells and whistles as the audigy 2 value, is >> isolated for use with skype, and all other system sounds are routed >> to the audigy. Someone on this list helped me achieve this, and >> I'll be only too glad to help someone else in a similar endeavor. > >I think this is a slightly different issue. Getting two soundcards to >run and play nice with different applications is a general linux audio >question. Agreed. >I'm more targetting questions like: "Skype doesn't make any sound, >what can I do?" The only answer we can give is: "Does aplay work? Yes? >Then you may contact the upstream authors of Skype, and tell them to >fix their bugs or better yet use a free software to deliver your free >speech through the net." > >Ciao Well, for a fact I have NDI if aplay works here or not, never tried it. Does it do anything special that xmms or mplayer, tvtime, or skype can't do? As for contacting skype's authors, I assume its in the help menu. Never felt the need to other than haveing to use skype_dsp_hijacker to run it. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From daneasley at gmail.com Tue Apr 4 12:15:01 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Tue Apr 4 12:15:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Automatic Double-Ender (Was: Re: Skype and LAU) Message-ID: On the subject of VoIP & Linux Audio programs, i've just had a thought. Should there exist a robust JACK-compatible VoIP system, a good next step would be to create a script facilitating 'double-enders' as used in broadcasting. A double-ender avoids the low-quality phone sound in an interview where the participants are in different locations: two (or more) people chat on a phone while also recording themselves (typically on something high quality, portable, and entrenched in the industry, like a DAT/MD) - the interviewee's DAT/etc. is then mailed to the producer/interviewer, who edits it together with the recording of his questions. I'd think it would be fairly easy to set up a shell/python script or the like to start the VoIP program and timemachine (or the like), route the interviewee's audio to both, and automatically send the recording to the producer after the call is completed. An extension of this is: rather than a producer needing to hire a freelancer local to the interviewee to trudge over with a recorder, the producer could simply send the interviewee a live cd tailored to the purpose. this might be limited by ease of network/audio setup for the layperson, though this in turn could be fixed if low-latency audio could break the blood-brain barrier of virtual machines. and, at this point, i've gone too far in my late morning coffee-fueled rantings and machinations, and i thank you for the opportunity. -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From fbar at footils.org Tue Apr 4 12:52:30 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Apr 4 12:52:11 2006 Subject: Skype and LAU (Was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1) In-Reply-To: <200604041005.39792.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> <200604032031.44414.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20060404093225.GA24242@fliwatut.scifi> <200604041005.39792.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20060404165230.GB656@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Gene Heskett hat gesagt: // Gene Heskett wrote: > Well, for a fact I have NDI if aplay works here or not, never tried it. > Does it do anything special that xmms or mplayer, tvtime, or skype > can't do? aplay the the sound playing application by the ALSA developers, so it is a sensible assumption that it should work with a correclty installed ALSA. If aplay doesn't work, then something is seriously wrong either with ALSA or the ALSA installation. However if aplay is working, the reason for failure lies somewhere in the software that is not working. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Apr 4 14:27:33 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue Apr 4 14:28:53 2006 Subject: bass punchiness [was Re: [linux-audio-user] I'm back with some music] In-Reply-To: References: <311b5a1a0603250738q4c1e3ed3v@mail.gmail.com> <20060325203512.GP10023@phlunky.Belkin> <311b5a1a0603260234p4031d41dg@mail.gmail.com> <311b5a1a0603260241n4ef276bv@mail.gmail.com> <4426EF26.70000@boosthardware.com> <70a871c80603261446j308b6ae0g67ef9d35758335fc@mail.gmail.com> <20060327072540.0a236010@localhost> Message-ID: <4432BA95.5060004@boosthardware.com> Loki Davison wrote: > > Side chain compressors can also help a lot. Having an env on frequency > is really nice too, dropping the frequency with time. > http://loki.theworldsbestdomain.com/notbigfish.ogg example of quite a > big punchy bass. > > Loki > Hi, Picking up this thread again. I have tried the various suggestions and it has definitely made the bass more sound fuller. However, The sound being generated is a constant drone or pulse. Fluctuating, rhythmic and melodic but still constant. Does anyone have a tip for making the bass stop at set times. For the purposes of this experiment I am using this chain: Trigger->envelope->wavetable->moog filter->oscillator->compressor-output Which creates a sound like this: http://djcj.org/audio/kotau/bassline-040506.ogg While this is actually quite a desirable sound for me I would also like to be able to trigger when it stops, not just when it starts. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/ - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== Apparently upon the beginning of the barrage, the donkey broke discipline and panicked, toppling the cart. At that point, the rockets disconnected from the timer, leaving them strewn around the street. Tethered to the now toppled cart, the donkey was unable to escape before the arrival of U.S. troops. United Press International Rockets on donkeys hit major Baghdad sites By P. MITCHELL PROTHERO Published 11/21/2003 11:13 AM From torbenh at gmx.de Tue Apr 4 14:30:38 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Tue Apr 4 14:34:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Issues with fst and vst zombification In-Reply-To: References: <20060403185241.GB7952@mobilat> Message-ID: <20060404183038.GA8169@mobilat> On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:33:58PM -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > On 4/3/06, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > just run zombiefiers with -r > > that should do it. > > Okay, I've tried it both ways: > > ./fst ../OrganizedTrio/OrganizedTrio.dll -r ./fst -r ../OrganizedTrio/OrganizedTrio.dll > > *Seems* to work, but I have no idea if this is where you meant to put > it. Can you please clarify exactly where to put the -r switch? > > -- > Josh Lawrence > http://www.hardbop200.com > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From x at branwelt.de Tue Apr 4 15:28:29 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Tue Apr 4 15:26:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] irq priority setting script Message-ID: <4432C8DD.2050009@branwelt.de> hi LAUs, I've written a little python script, that may be usefull for you as well. It tries to get the pid's of soundcards irq's etc. and set's their scheduling priorities in order to improve latency performance. More info here: http://branwelt.de/projects/rt-script/ The script was quickly written and likely is not done the best possible way, but it's working (on my debian system at least, usb-card) please give some feedback, if it worked for you as well, (check if the pid's where detected correctly) (maybe + a small system-info: snd-card, distribution, kernel) If the script worked with most systems, it would be a nice idea to auto-run it after the booting-process in audio-distros (if such a thing isn't done already) Emanuel From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Apr 4 15:34:41 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Apr 4 15:34:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] irq priority setting script In-Reply-To: <4432C8DD.2050009@branwelt.de> References: <4432C8DD.2050009@branwelt.de> Message-ID: <1144179282.2887.29.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 21:28 +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: > hi LAUs, > > I've written a little python script, that may be usefull for you as well. > > It tries to get the pid's of soundcards irq's etc. and set's their > scheduling priorities in order to improve latency performance. > More info here: > http://branwelt.de/projects/rt-script/ > > The script was quickly written and likely is not done the best possible way, > but it's working (on my debian system at least, usb-card) > > please give some feedback, if it worked for you as well, > (check if the pid's where detected correctly) > (maybe + a small system-info: snd-card, distribution, kernel) > > If the script worked with most systems, it would be a nice idea to > auto-run it after the booting-process in audio-distros (if such a thing > isn't done already) Your page should probably mention that this only works with the -rt kernel. Lee From x at branwelt.de Tue Apr 4 15:44:28 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Tue Apr 4 15:42:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] irq priority setting script In-Reply-To: <1144179282.2887.29.camel@mindpipe> References: <4432C8DD.2050009@branwelt.de> <1144179282.2887.29.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4432CC9C.3040702@branwelt.de> Lee Revell wrote: >Your page should probably mention that this only works with the -rt >kernel. > > Thanks for the hint - I've inserted a note. Emanuel From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Apr 4 16:03:02 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Apr 4 16:03:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] irq priority setting script In-Reply-To: <4432CC9C.3040702@branwelt.de> References: <4432C8DD.2050009@branwelt.de> <1144179282.2887.29.camel@mindpipe> <4432CC9C.3040702@branwelt.de> Message-ID: <1144180983.2887.49.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 21:44 +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > >Your page should probably mention that this only works with the -rt > >kernel. > > > > > Thanks for the hint - I've inserted a note. Also you may want to mention that it won't be effective and may in fact cause problems with a shared IRQ. Lee From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue Apr 4 16:06:14 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue Apr 4 16:06:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Rosegarden-user] Musix GNU+Linux 0.39 =?iso-8859-1?q?has=09been?= released! In-Reply-To: <443234E5.2060906@rytmisk.net> References: <200603301723.41574.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <200604032354.48058.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <443234E5.2060906@rytmisk.net> Message-ID: <200604042206.14819.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Tuesday 04 April 2006 10:57, Ketil Thorgersen wrote: > Nigel Henry skrev: > > On Monday 03 April 2006 13:17, Ketil Thorgersen wrote: > >> > >> > >>> =What's new in Musix 0.39= > >>> > >>> * Rosegarden4 1.2.3 (Musix is the first distro to provide this version. > >>> Thanks to Silvan and Rosegarden's Great Team!) > >> > >> Seems great! However I would absolutely love if I could use this > >> packaged rosegarden on my ubuntu breezy! The one I have installed at the > >> moment is from musix, but the lates at that repository is 1.0.1-1(which > >> works great by the way.) > >> > >> Is 1.2.3 available as deb somewhere? > >> > >> Best regards > >> Ketil > > > > Hi Ketil. I saw some links a couple of weeks ago on the Rosegarden list, > > and I've just tracked them down, as I'd trashed the email somehow. These > > are the URL's for /etc/apt/sources.list > > > > deb http://vireo.org/debian/rosegarden4/binary/ > > deb-src http://vireo.org/debian/rosegarden4/source/ > > Thank you! Really kind! > > I tried to install it, but it had some dependences of kde stuff that I > don't dare to bring into my breezy. Maybe it will work when Dapper comes > out? Or is there a way to test this anyway? > > Best regards > Ketil Thorgersen Hi Ketil. I would not try to force the install. If it needs a later version of kdelibs and it's not installed, Rosegarden4-1.2.3 is unlikely to work. I've looked at some of my distro's, and Debian Sarge/Etch has KDE 3.5.1. At the moment Rosegarden4-1.0.1.2+b1 is installed. Using the vireo.org URL in the /etc/apt/sources.list the only things to be upgraded are: jackd libjack.100.0-0 libjack.100.0-dev There don't seem to be any KDE dependency problems with KDE-3.5.1 Personally. I'd wait a bit, and see if Dapper has a more up to date version of KDE. All the best. Nigel. From hardbop200 at gmail.com Tue Apr 4 17:05:01 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Tue Apr 4 17:05:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Issues with fst and vst zombification In-Reply-To: <20060404183038.GA8169@mobilat> References: <20060403185241.GB7952@mobilat> <20060404183038.GA8169@mobilat> Message-ID: On 4/4/06, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > ./fst -r ../OrganizedTrio/OrganizedTrio.dll Thank you very much! I appreciate the help. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From rncbc at rncbc.org Tue Apr 4 18:25:41 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Tue Apr 4 18:26:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] irq priority setting script In-Reply-To: <4432C8DD.2050009@branwelt.de> References: <4432C8DD.2050009@branwelt.de> Message-ID: <4432F265.7050608@rncbc.org> Emanuel Rumpf wrote: > hi LAUs, > > I've written a little python script, that may be usefull for you as well. > > It tries to get the pid's of soundcards irq's etc. and set's their > scheduling priorities in order to improve latency performance. > More info here: > http://branwelt.de/projects/rt-script/ > > The script was quickly written and likely is not done the best possible way, > but it's working (on my debian system at least, usb-card) > > please give some feedback, if it worked for you as well, > (check if the pid's where detected correctly) > (maybe + a small system-info: snd-card, distribution, kernel) > > If the script worked with most systems, it would be a nice idea to > auto-run it after the booting-process in audio-distros (if such a thing > isn't done already) > > Emanuel Erm... this reminds of something I've done sometime go, and already being infrastructure on the planetedge-ccrma rt-enabled kernels. Its my rtirq init script. Take a look at (second topic): http://en.opensuse.org/Talk:RT_Kernel_Instructions or, straight to the soource, and just in case your distro is not RPM based: http://www.rncbc.org/jack/rtirq-20060218.tar.gz Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Apr 4 20:12:39 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Apr 4 20:12:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Khagan 0.1 released. In-Reply-To: <57035.193.203.82.226.1144142122.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> References: <57035.193.203.82.226.1144142122.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: On 4/4/06, Dave Griffiths wrote: > > G'day All, > > > > The first release of Khagan is now out! > > > > Khagan is a live user interface builder for controlling parameters via > > OSC. It's mainly aimed at the Om modular synth but anything OSC can be > > controlled. You can create gui's using the phat widgets. The pad > > widget is xinput ready and if used with a graphics tablet allows 5-d > > control. > > This is great. I've been waiting for this (or an equivalent) to come along > for a while. It's uses are not just for sound either - I can use it for > controlling fluxus (http://www.pawfal.org/fluxus) > > cheers, > > dave > > The current example patches are pretty limited. If you come up with anything nice controlling fluxus or or anything else it would be great to have as an example .kh file. If you need/want anything else feature requests or patches would be great. ;) Loki From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Apr 4 20:38:04 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Apr 4 20:38:16 2006 Subject: bass punchiness [was Re: [linux-audio-user] I'm back with some music] In-Reply-To: <4432BA95.5060004@boosthardware.com> References: <311b5a1a0603250738q4c1e3ed3v@mail.gmail.com> <20060325203512.GP10023@phlunky.Belkin> <311b5a1a0603260234p4031d41dg@mail.gmail.com> <311b5a1a0603260241n4ef276bv@mail.gmail.com> <4426EF26.70000@boosthardware.com> <70a871c80603261446j308b6ae0g67ef9d35758335fc@mail.gmail.com> <20060327072540.0a236010@localhost> <4432BA95.5060004@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: On 4/5/06, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Loki Davison wrote: > > > > > Side chain compressors can also help a lot. Having an env on frequency > > is really nice too, dropping the frequency with time. > > http://loki.theworldsbestdomain.com/notbigfish.ogg example of quite a > > big punchy bass. > > > > Loki > > > > Hi, > > Picking up this thread again. > > I have tried the various suggestions and it has definitely made the bass > more sound fuller. However, The sound being generated is a constant > drone or pulse. Fluctuating, rhythmic and melodic but still constant. > > Does anyone have a tip for making the bass stop at set times. > > For the purposes of this experiment I am using this chain: > > Trigger->envelope->wavetable->moog filter->oscillator->compressor-output > > Which creates a sound like this: > > http://djcj.org/audio/kotau/bassline-040506.ogg > > While this is actually quite a desirable sound for me I would also like > to be able to trigger when it stops, not just when it starts. > > > > Cheers. > Is this using om? Just copy one of the example patches to work out how to do env's correctly. There are a lot of good/decent bass patches in the om examples Loki From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Tue Apr 4 21:18:57 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Tue Apr 4 21:19:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144097383.17713.65.camel@mindpipe> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <5bdc1c8b0604021022u7e14ff8fk6908df2973b9c76a@mail.gmail.com> <1144007055.7157.6.camel@eviltwin> <200604022205.49503.ce@christeck.de> <1144011131.8812.0.camel@eviltwin> <1144012363.11043.43.camel@mindpipe> <1144096230.26294.19.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1144097383.17713.65.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1144199937.5255.89.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 16:49 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 13:30 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > > I disagree, I think the next release of all the major distros should > > be > > > usable OOTB for audio. > > > > Depends on the definition of "usable", I guess. Do you think they will > > include access to SCHED_FIFO out of the box? > > Ubuntu Dapper will. It can't be enabled OOTB because of the "secure by > default" requirement, Well, that's what I meant by OOTB... > but all that's needed is to add: > > * rtprio hard 99 > * nice hard -20 > > to /etc/security/limits.conf. > > I'm running it now, it works perfectly. Running for several days, max > latency so far with 2.6.16 vanilla (+ latency trace patch) and a 600MHz > box is only ~5.5ms. > > I would expect the next Fedora release to also support this, if FC5 > doesn't already, all that's needed are recent PAM and glibc. Yep, that already was happening in the latest kernels/pam in fc4. -- Fernando From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Apr 4 21:27:30 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Apr 4 21:27:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144199937.5255.89.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <5bdc1c8b0604021022u7e14ff8fk6908df2973b9c76a@mail.gmail.com> <1144007055.7157.6.camel@eviltwin> <200604022205.49503.ce@christeck.de> <1144011131.8812.0.camel@eviltwin> <1144012363.11043.43.camel@mindpipe> <1144096230.26294.19.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1144097383.17713.65.camel@mindpipe> <1144199937.5255.89.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1144200450.8122.19.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 18:18 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > Ubuntu Dapper will. It can't be enabled OOTB because of the "secure by > > default" requirement, > > Well, that's what I meant by OOTB... What do you think is the best solution for a generic distro, that can't allow the user to lock up the machine in the default config? I think a watchdog is probably the only "zero-conf" solution. Lee From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Tue Apr 4 21:47:20 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Tue Apr 4 21:47:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <1144200450.8122.19.camel@mindpipe> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> <5bdc1c8b0604021022u7e14ff8fk6908df2973b9c76a@mail.gmail.com> <1144007055.7157.6.camel@eviltwin> <200604022205.49503.ce@christeck.de> <1144011131.8812.0.camel@eviltwin> <1144012363.11043.43.camel@mindpipe> <1144096230.26294.19.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1144097383.17713.65.camel@mindpipe> <1144199937.5255.89.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1144200450.8122.19.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1144201640.5255.94.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 21:27 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 18:18 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > > Ubuntu Dapper will. It can't be enabled OOTB because of the "secure by > > > default" requirement, > > > > Well, that's what I meant by OOTB... > > What do you think is the best solution for a generic distro, that can't > allow the user to lock up the machine in the default config? I think a > watchdog is probably the only "zero-conf" solution. Yes, maybe that would be a workaround. It still looks to me like it will be impossible (with the current state of the art) to enable something like this in a generic distro. Maybe an additional package that configures only this option? To be installed by users who (supposedly) know what the consequences might be? For that to be "packageable" /etc/security/limits.conf should be splittable into different files I guess, otherwise you would depend on scripts to tweak that. Anyway, does not look good either. Obviously it depends on what your audio needs may be. If running Jack without -R is fine then the problem goes away :-) -- Fernando From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Apr 4 21:58:02 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Apr 4 21:55:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Spring Clean In-Reply-To: <20060403213303.GA10205@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060403195650.3e175d0f@localhost> <20060403213303.GA10205@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060405025802.44507d76@localhost> On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:39:11 +0100 james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Mon, 03 Apr, 2006 at 07:56PM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > > Well after some thought I decided to give my website a tidy up. Also > > investigating ogg, mp3 etc. players and converters I realised there is > > more out there than I thought. With that in mind I have begun the > > oggification of my music, and just put a link to information for my > > friends who use a 'different' OS - not that anyone here will need it! > > > > In the process I've made a few tweaks (I can never resist the urge to > > fiddle) and there are some new tracks as well. Some are just musical > > 'toys' others, such as 'Dreamer' more serious - if that's the right > > word. There *shouldn't* be any problems with the site. If there are > > please let me know. > > Not a problem, but a tiny suggestion: Make track names emphasised. > It would make it a whole lot easier to read. > > James OK. Good point. It's done now. Yes I know I shouldn't be up at 3AM but I'm working on a tune that just *has* to be set down properly :) > > As usual the website is http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org > > > > Enjoy. > > > -- F From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Apr 4 21:59:00 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Apr 4 21:57:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Spring Clean In-Reply-To: <200604040030.31419.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <20060403195650.3e175d0f@localhost> <200604040030.31419.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20060405025900.37764145@localhost> On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 00:30:31 +0200 Nigel Henry wrote: > On Monday 03 April 2006 20:56, Folderol wrote: > > Well after some thought I decided to give my website a tidy up. Also > > investigating ogg, mp3 etc. players and converters I realised there is > > more out there than I thought. With that in mind I have begun the > > oggification of my music, and just put a link to information for my > > friends who use a 'different' OS - not that anyone here will need it! > > > > In the process I've made a few tweaks (I can never resist the urge to > > fiddle) and there are some new tracks as well. Some are just musical > > 'toys' others, such as 'Dreamer' more serious - if that's the right > > word. There *shouldn't* be any problems with the site. If there are > > please let me know. > > > > As usual the website is http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org > > > > Enjoy. > > Hi Folderol. Thanks for the .oggs. There was an ogg player for Windoze that > turned up on a list a bit back. http://coolplayer.sourceforge.net I DL'd it > but havn't tried it, as I hardly use XP or ME these days. It may be worth > putting the link to it on your site, for the sake of the Windows folks. > Nigel. I've put that link on the info page and the Audacity link. -- F From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Apr 4 22:00:05 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Apr 4 21:58:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Spring Clean In-Reply-To: <20060404123033.GA6780@charly.SWORD> References: <20060403195650.3e175d0f@localhost> <20060404123033.GA6780@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060405030005.1c952faf@localhost> On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:30:33 +0200 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 07:56:50PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > > As usual the website is http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org > > > Lonely Boy gets me. The sounds work to their best here. > There's a quite intense feeling of lonelyness. Listening to > it again, there's also a relaxing aspect to it. > > > Cheers, > Thorsten Wilms Yes, I don't actually know how I managed that. It just sort of happened. -- F From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Wed Apr 5 02:57:00 2006 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Wed Apr 5 02:57:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse timing and Rosegarden crashing X Message-ID: <44336A3C.7030003@sympatico.ca> Hello, I've been trying to work with a very large MIDI file (over 420 bars and 50 tracks) and I found some problems with both Muse and Rosegarden (both in their latest released versions). First, Muse seems to go faster in tempo than what is set in the midi file. To test this, I imported the same file in both programs and set both to sync with jack and started playback. After some time Muse was ahead of Rosegarden. Why is this happening? Both are set to the same tempo (I have Rosegarden set to sync to the system timer). Beside this, I found, in Muse, that some notes in one instrument were imported with longer duration. Second, Rosegarden crashes when I scroll horizontally through this large file. It doesn't matter if I do it fast or slow, I just have to keep scrolling for some seconds and then it will crash and make the X server to restart. If I manage to get beyond bar 320, I find that the display gets corrupted and the segment boxes disappear but the midi notes are still being drawn (it looks like the notes keep going outside the boundaries of the segment container). I found the same problem in previous versions of Rosegarden and it's present using two different distro versions (I tested in Ubuntu Breezy and Dapper). So, these problems made both programs unusable for this particular project... I wonder if anyone suffered of the same or have any idea how to solve this problems. Any help will be very appreciated! Thanks! Hector. From dsbaikov at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 03:14:22 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Wed Apr 5 03:14:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] multiface latency question Message-ID: <70a871c80604050014v4cda2ef5v8b99b36caea980c9@mail.gmail.com> Hello! I'm planning to get RME Multiface (II) and have a question to it's owners. Can you, please, post its latency in audio loop, measured with jaaa in 2x64 buffer setup. Thank you. Regards, Dmitry. From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Wed Apr 5 03:38:28 2006 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Wed Apr 5 03:38:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse timing and Rosegarden crashing X In-Reply-To: <44336A3C.7030003@sympatico.ca> References: <44336A3C.7030003@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <443373F4.9050507@sympatico.ca> Ok, I found the source of my problems with Rosegarden: the crash seems to be related to using the Nvidia proprietary drivers (with the open source driver it doesn't happen... maybe it is related to the kernel with Real Time preemption patches that I'm using). The corrupted display is gone in version 1.2.3 (sorry for not double checking this). The timing problem with Muse is still there... Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > Hello, > > I've been trying to work with a very large MIDI file (over 420 bars > and 50 tracks) and I found some problems with both Muse and Rosegarden > (both in their latest released versions). > > First, Muse seems to go faster in tempo than what is set in the midi > file. To test this, I imported the same file in both programs and set > both to sync with jack and started playback. After some time Muse was > ahead of Rosegarden. Why is this happening? Both are set to the same > tempo (I have Rosegarden set to sync to the system timer). Beside > this, I found, in Muse, that some notes in one instrument were > imported with longer duration. > > Second, Rosegarden crashes when I scroll horizontally through this > large file. It doesn't matter if I do it fast or slow, I just have to > keep scrolling for some seconds and then it will crash and make the X > server to restart. If I manage to get beyond bar 320, I find that the > display gets corrupted and the segment boxes disappear but the midi > notes are still being drawn (it looks like the notes keep going > outside the boundaries of the segment container). I found the same > problem in previous versions of Rosegarden and it's present using two > different distro versions (I tested in Ubuntu Breezy and Dapper). > > So, these problems made both programs unusable for this particular > project... I wonder if anyone suffered of the same or have any idea > how to solve this problems. Any help will be very appreciated! > > Thanks! > > > Hector. > From james at dis-dot-dat.net Wed Apr 5 04:19:53 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Wed Apr 5 04:19:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Spring Clean In-Reply-To: <20060405025802.44507d76@localhost> References: <20060403195650.3e175d0f@localhost> <20060403213303.GA10205@phlunky.Belkin> <20060405025802.44507d76@localhost> Message-ID: <20060405081953.GA21526@phlunky.Belkin> On Wed, 05 Apr, 2006 at 02:58AM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:39:11 +0100 > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > On Mon, 03 Apr, 2006 at 07:56PM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > > > Well after some thought I decided to give my website a tidy up. Also > > > investigating ogg, mp3 etc. players and converters I realised there is > > > more out there than I thought. With that in mind I have begun the > > > oggification of my music, and just put a link to information for my > > > friends who use a 'different' OS - not that anyone here will need it! > > > > > > In the process I've made a few tweaks (I can never resist the urge to > > > fiddle) and there are some new tracks as well. Some are just musical > > > 'toys' others, such as 'Dreamer' more serious - if that's the right > > > word. There *shouldn't* be any problems with the site. If there are > > > please let me know. > > > > Not a problem, but a tiny suggestion: Make track names emphasised. > > It would make it a whole lot easier to read. > > > > James > > OK. Good point. It's done now. Much easier, ta! Good stuff on the site, too. > Yes I know I shouldn't be up at 3AM but I'm working on a tune that just > *has* to be set down properly :) We'll be hearing it soon, then? > > > > As usual the website is http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org > > > > > > Enjoy. > > > > > > > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From markus at herhoffer.net Wed Apr 5 04:48:41 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Wed Apr 5 04:49:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Strings and Choirs Message-ID: <44338469.7060406@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Normally I use my linux machine only for recording and mixing. But now I need some realistic strings, church organs and choirs. Are there any well sounding free samples available? Or are there some free samplers out there that play commercial samples? How are your experiences with symphonic arrangements under linux? Markus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEM4RpuXdsp50C0vMRAuMgAJ42UzpOkjOxVFB4du5kpl4L0RJlWgCfSoYw fVUMQhKHaHlWt9yZXtNas1U= =IZMc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Wed Apr 5 05:14:57 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Wed Apr 5 05:16:23 2006 Subject: Skype and LAU (Was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1) In-Reply-To: <20060404165230.GB656@fliwatut.scifi> References: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> <200604032031.44414.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20060404093225.GA24242@fliwatut.scifi> <200604041005.39792.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20060404165230.GB656@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <44338A91.40604@boosthardware.com> Just FYI, I was having troubles with skype on my intel8x0 but installing the latest alsa-drivers has fixed it. alsa-drivers-1.0.11rc4 Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/ - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== Apparently upon the beginning of the barrage, the donkey broke discipline and panicked, toppling the cart. At that point, the rockets disconnected from the timer, leaving them strewn around the street. Tethered to the now toppled cart, the donkey was unable to escape before the arrival of U.S. troops. United Press International Rockets on donkeys hit major Baghdad sites By P. MITCHELL PROTHERO Published 11/21/2003 11:13 AM From x at branwelt.de Wed Apr 5 07:24:04 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Wed Apr 5 07:21:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] irq priority setting script In-Reply-To: <4432F265.7050608@rncbc.org> References: <4432C8DD.2050009@branwelt.de> <4432F265.7050608@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <4433A8D4.9040801@branwelt.de> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > Emanuel Rumpf wrote: > >> hi LAUs, >> >> I've written a little python script, that may be usefull for you as >> well. >> >> It tries to get the pid's of soundcards irq's etc. and set's their >> scheduling priorities in order to improve latency performance. >> More info here: >> http://branwelt.de/projects/rt-script/ >> >> The script was quickly written and likely is not done the best >> possible way, >> but it's working (on my debian system at least, usb-card) >> >> please give some feedback, if it worked for you as well, >> (check if the pid's where detected correctly) >> (maybe + a small system-info: snd-card, distribution, kernel) >> >> If the script worked with most systems, it would be a nice idea to >> auto-run it after the booting-process in audio-distros (if such a thing >> isn't done already) >> >> Emanuel > > > Erm... this reminds of something I've done sometime go, and already > being infrastructure on the planetedge-ccrma rt-enabled kernels. Its > my rtirq init script. Take a look at (second topic): > > http://en.opensuse.org/Talk:RT_Kernel_Instructions > > or, straight to the soource, and just in case your distro is not RPM > based: > > http://www.rncbc.org/jack/rtirq-20060218.tar.gz Ok, I mention it on the webpage. Emanuel From arnold.krille at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 07:25:40 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Wed Apr 5 07:25:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Strings and Choirs In-Reply-To: <44338469.7060406@herhoffer.net> References: <44338469.7060406@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <2def88b80604050425m62c88053k8e2c0a82d9940877@mail.gmail.com> 2006/4/5, Markus Herhoffer : > Normally I use my linux machine only for recording and mixing. But now I > need some realistic strings, church organs and choirs. Are there any > well sounding free samples available? Or are there some free samplers > out there that play commercial samples? How are your experiences with > symphonic arrangements under linux? You definitly want to look at aeolus which is an organ synth specialised on classic organs. For the strings you might want to look at zynaddsubfx which has a new synth-method that produces very nice strings-sounds... Sorry, I don't have the links at hand but either google or jackit.sf.net/apps should help. Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From rj at spamatica.se Wed Apr 5 07:31:24 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Wed Apr 5 07:31:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse timing and Rosegarden crashing X In-Reply-To: <443373F4.9050507@sympatico.ca> References: <44336A3C.7030003@sympatico.ca> <443373F4.9050507@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200604051331.24879.rj@spamatica.se> Hi Hector, On Wednesday 05 April 2006 09:38, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > Ok, I found the source of my problems with Rosegarden: the crash seems > to be related to using the Nvidia proprietary drivers (with the open > source driver it doesn't happen... maybe it is related to the kernel > with Real Time preemption patches that I'm using). The corrupted display > is gone in version 1.2.3 (sorry for not double checking this). > > The timing problem with Muse is still there... How did you come to conclusion that MusE is too fast and Rg not too slow? I'm not saying that MusE is not in error but it's a valid question to help us understand. /Robert > > Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I've been trying to work with a very large MIDI file (over 420 bars > > and 50 tracks) and I found some problems with both Muse and Rosegarden > > (both in their latest released versions). > > > > First, Muse seems to go faster in tempo than what is set in the midi > > file. To test this, I imported the same file in both programs and set > > both to sync with jack and started playback. After some time Muse was > > ahead of Rosegarden. Why is this happening? Both are set to the same > > tempo (I have Rosegarden set to sync to the system timer). Beside > > this, I found, in Muse, that some notes in one instrument were > > imported with longer duration. > > > > Second, Rosegarden crashes when I scroll horizontally through this > > large file. It doesn't matter if I do it fast or slow, I just have to > > keep scrolling for some seconds and then it will crash and make the X > > server to restart. If I manage to get beyond bar 320, I find that the > > display gets corrupted and the segment boxes disappear but the midi > > notes are still being drawn (it looks like the notes keep going > > outside the boundaries of the segment container). I found the same > > problem in previous versions of Rosegarden and it's present using two > > different distro versions (I tested in Ubuntu Breezy and Dapper). > > > > So, these problems made both programs unusable for this particular > > project... I wonder if anyone suffered of the same or have any idea > > how to solve this problems. Any help will be very appreciated! > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Hector. From jamesmichaelmcdermott at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 07:59:02 2006 From: jamesmichaelmcdermott at gmail.com (James McDermott) Date: Wed Apr 5 07:59:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Strings and Choirs In-Reply-To: <2def88b80604050425m62c88053k8e2c0a82d9940877@mail.gmail.com> References: <44338469.7060406@herhoffer.net> <2def88b80604050425m62c88053k8e2c0a82d9940877@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > 2006/4/5, Markus Herhoffer : > > Are there any > > well sounding free samples available? Or are there some free samplers > > out there that play commercial samples? There are samplers which play samples. Check http://linux-sound.org/ and look for fluidsynth/qsynth/fluidsynth-dssi and linuxsampler, among others. From sstubbs at shout.net Wed Apr 5 08:49:52 2006 From: sstubbs at shout.net (The Other) Date: Wed Apr 5 08:50:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] German Meistercoders prefer Linux flavor ---- Message-ID: <200604050749.52929.sstubbs@shout.net> This is a serious request. I've goofed up my Linux (currently AGnuLa/DeMuDi) flavor, and will have to reinstall. I have Debian Sarge and Mandrake 9.1 as well. I am asking our German constituent what flavor of Linux they prefer. I'm on dialup and it takes around 2 days to download 1 ISO CD from the Internet. I'll be using KDE and Muse; other music applications as I become familiar with them. Germany, what distro do you use? Thank you, Stephen. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 09:42:24 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Apr 5 09:43:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] magic mastering tips needed Message-ID: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> Hi I have the following track: http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering along the way. A few notes: A valid question would be "but how do you want it to sound?". Well, good :-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and more presence. Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-) -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Wed Apr 5 11:17:08 2006 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Wed Apr 5 11:17:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse timing and Rosegarden crashing X In-Reply-To: <200604051331.24879.rj@spamatica.se> References: <44336A3C.7030003@sympatico.ca> <443373F4.9050507@sympatico.ca> <200604051331.24879.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <4433DF74.30101@sympatico.ca> Robert Jonsson wrote: >Hi Hector, > >On Wednesday 05 April 2006 09:38, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > > >>Ok, I found the source of my problems with Rosegarden: the crash seems >>to be related to using the Nvidia proprietary drivers (with the open >>source driver it doesn't happen... maybe it is related to the kernel >>with Real Time preemption patches that I'm using). The corrupted display >>is gone in version 1.2.3 (sorry for not double checking this). >> >>The timing problem with Muse is still there... >> >> > >How did you come to conclusion that MusE is too fast and Rg not too slow? >I'm not saying that MusE is not in error but it's a valid question to help us >understand. > >/Robert > > > Thanks Robert for your interest. The MIDI file I'm using for testing was made in a windows system (using Cubase) so I have the tempo reference from there. I played the music and I can hear that the tempo is faster in Muse and is the right one in Rosegarden. Regarding my problem with Rosegarden crashing X when scrolling, I found that whenever I use the Nvidia proprietary driver it happens, and using either a RT preempt kernel or in a non RT one (in the second one took a little bit longer to make it crash). Hector. From philicorda at ntlworld.com Wed Apr 5 11:38:37 2006 From: philicorda at ntlworld.com (philicorda) Date: Wed Apr 5 11:35:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Strings and Choirs In-Reply-To: <20060405151724.B849AED9866@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060405151724.B849AED9866@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1144251517.10399.21.camel@localhost> > Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:25:40 +0200 > From: "Arnold Krille" > Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Strings and Choirs > 2006/4/5, Markus Herhoffer : > > Normally I use my linux machine only for recording and mixing. But now I > > need some realistic strings, church organs and choirs. Are there any > > well sounding free samples available? Or are there some free samplers > > out there that play commercial samples? How are your experiences with > > symphonic arrangements under linux? > > You definitly want to look at aeolus which is an organ synth > specialised on classic organs. > > For the strings you might want to look at zynaddsubfx which has a new > synth-method that produces very nice strings-sounds... > > Sorry, I don't have the links at hand but either google or > jackit.sf.net/apps should help. > > Arnold Also, a combination of Linux sampler and the free gigasampler files from here: http://www.worrasplace.com/ is really handy. From smoak at mis.net Wed Apr 5 11:49:30 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Wed Apr 5 11:51:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Making Audio on Linux Just Work: (1) defining the goals In-Reply-To: <1134406063.13653.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1134406063.13653.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200604051149.30751.smoak@mis.net> Paul, did this effort result in the list of tasks that you were seeking? Maybe I missed it, but I've not seen any feedback on the result and where it went. I hope it went somewhere and is being worked on. Thanks you very much for your contributions. Marv On Monday 12 December 2005 11:47, Paul Davis wrote: > ( LAU folk: this is an initial outline of an email I want to dispatch > to the desktop-architects list in the very near future. Your comments > are eagerly sought. Note that this section specifically seeks to > avoid any discussion of implementations or specific approachs. I > would like to fully flesh out the list of tasks ASAP ) > > Making Sound Just Work > ------------------------ > > One of the "second tier" of requirements mentioned several times at > the OSDL Portland Linux Desktop Architects workshop was "making audio > on Linux just work". Many people find it easy to leave this > requirement lying around in various lists of goals and requirements, > but before we can make any progress on defining a plan to implement > the goal, we first need to define it rather more precisely. > > DEFINING THE GOAL > ================= > > The list below is a set of tasks that a user could reasonably expect > to perform on a computer running Linux that has access to zero, one > or more audio interfaces. > > The desired task should either work, or produce a sensible and > comprehensible error message explaining why it failed. For example, > attempting to control input gain on a device that has no hardware > mixer should explain that the device has no controls for input gain. > > PLAYBACK > > - play a compressed audio file > * user driven (e.g. play(1)) > * app driven (e.g. {kde,gnome_play}_audiofile()) > - play a PCM encoded audio file (specifics as above) > - hear system sounds > - VOIP > - game audio > - music composition > - music editing > - video post production > > RECORDING > > - record from hardware inputs > * use default audio interface > * use other audio interface > * specify which h/w input to use > * control input gain > - record from other application(s) > - record from live (network-delivered) compressed audio > streams > > > MIXING > > - control h/w mixer device (if any) > > * allow use of a generic app for this > * NOTE to non-audio-focused readers: the h/w mixer > is part of the audio interface that is used > to control signal levels, input selection > for recording, and other h/w specific features. > Some pro-audio interfaces do not have a h/w mixer, > most consumer ones do. It has almost nothing > to do with "hardware mixing" which describes > the ability of the h/w to mix together multiple > software-delivered audio data streams. > > - multiple applications using soundcard simultaneously > - control application volumes independently > - provide necessary apps for controlling specialized > hardware (e.g. RME HDSP, ice1712, ice1724, liveFX) > > ROUTING > > - route audio to specific h/w among several installed > devices - route audio between applications > - route audio across network > > MULTIUSER > > - which of the above should work in a multi-user scenario? > > MISC > > - use multiple soundcards as a single logical device From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Wed Apr 5 12:01:49 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Apr 5 12:02:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] magic mastering tips needed In-Reply-To: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604051801.50139.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 05 April 2006 15:42, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I have the following track: > > http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg > > It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording > quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus > would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what > program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved > file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering > along the way. > > A few notes: > > A valid question would be "but how do you want it to sound?". Well, good > > :-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and > > more presence. > > Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be > linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-) I can't give any help on the mastering, but. Atte. That is one really nice track. Which instrument do you play? Nigel. From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Apr 5 12:15:35 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Apr 5 12:17:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: magic mastering tips needed In-Reply-To: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> Message-ID: Heh... Heeeeeeeh..... That's some nice Jazz :) For mastering, you could use Rezound or Audacity. Both support the so-called LADSPA plugins, which are the standard tools for linux audio processing right now. I would: * Normalize (for the volume) * Equalize (for the brightness, e.g. with the 'Multiband EQ') * and perhaps add a tiny bit of compression to make the sound fuller. (e.g. with the 'SCO1') Carlo Atte Andr? Jensen schrieb: > Hi > > I have the following track: > > http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg > > It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording > quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus > would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what > program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved > file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering > along the way. > > A few notes: > > A valid question would be "but how do you want it to sound?". Well, good > :-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and > more presence. > > Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be > linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-) > From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Wed Apr 5 12:24:24 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Wed Apr 5 12:23:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: magic mastering tips needed In-Reply-To: References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4433EF38.7070001@chapelperilous.net> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > For mastering, you could use Rezound or Audacity. Both support the > so-called LADSPA plugins, which are the standard tools for linux audio > processing right now. I think Jamin is a better tool... it's designed for audio mastering! http://jamin.sf.net Here's a decent FAQ on Mastering (not Linux specific): http://www.nthelp.com/mastering/ -- Brett -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 12:55:56 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Apr 5 12:56:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Khagan 0.1 released. Important fix. Khagan 0.1.1 Message-ID: On 4/5/06, Loki Davison wrote: > On 4/4/06, Dave Griffiths wrote: > > > G'day All, > > > > > > The first release of Khagan is now out! > > > > > > Khagan is a live user interface builder for controlling parameters via > > > OSC. It's mainly aimed at the Om modular synth but anything OSC can be > > > controlled. You can create gui's using the phat widgets. The pad > > > widget is xinput ready and if used with a graphics tablet allows 5-d > > > control. Khagan 0.1.1 out now. Some how one of the glade entries had renamed itself making pad editing no longer work. Fixed now. Few minor feature additions too. Loki From steve at pro-ns.net Wed Apr 5 14:33:47 2006 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Wed Apr 5 14:33:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] magic mastering tips needed In-Reply-To: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060405183347.GK5963@pro-ns.net> Atte, First off, let me say these things: A) I listen to rock most often, seldom to to jazz, so I really don't have the right ears for this. :-) B) I'm not an experienced sound engineer by any stretch of the imagination. I've been doing a bit of live sound work for some music groups at my church, but that's really the extent of my experience. C) I think the music does sound very good as it stands. Excellent performance, thanks for sharing it. That said, my feeling on the track is I hear too much of the room, and not enough direct sound from the instruments. My first inclination is that could be a rock listening vs. jazz listening thing. But your description seems to say to me you want something similar. Your question was about mastering, but I'm thinking getting your mics a bit closer to the instruments to start with might add a bit more definition and presence, like you're looking for. It might be worth trying, anyway, if you get another chance to record. Doesn't help much on a session that's already "in the can." --> Steve Wahl On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 03:42:24PM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I have the following track: > > http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg > > It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording > quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus > would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what > program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved > file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering > along the way. > > A few notes: > > A valid question would be "but how do you want it to sound?". Well, good > :-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and > more presence. > > Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be > linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-) > > -- > peace, love & harmony > Atte > > http://www.atte.dk -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." -- Vance Petree, Virginia Power From reuben.m at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 14:37:19 2006 From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin) Date: Wed Apr 5 14:37:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Making Audio on Linux Just Work: (1) defining the goals In-Reply-To: <200604051149.30751.smoak@mis.net> References: <1134406063.13653.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200604051149.30751.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: It was posted to the OSDL Desktop architects mailing list. (Same list that Linux made a statement about not liking Gnome that set off a big hoopla) See here: http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000470.html -Reuben On 4/5/06, M P Smoak wrote: > > Paul, did this effort result in the list of tasks that you were seeking? > Maybe I missed it, but I've not seen any feedback on the result and > where it went. I hope it went somewhere and is being worked on. Thanks > you very much for your contributions. > > Marv > > On Monday 12 December 2005 11:47, Paul Davis wrote: > > ( LAU folk: this is an initial outline of an email I want to dispatch > > to the desktop-architects list in the very near future. Your comments > > are eagerly sought. Note that this section specifically seeks to > > avoid any discussion of implementations or specific approachs. I > > would like to fully flesh out the list of tasks ASAP ) > > > > Making Sound Just Work > > ------------------------ > > > > One of the "second tier" of requirements mentioned several times at > > the OSDL Portland Linux Desktop Architects workshop was "making audio > > on Linux just work". Many people find it easy to leave this > > requirement lying around in various lists of goals and requirements, > > but before we can make any progress on defining a plan to implement > > the goal, we first need to define it rather more precisely. > > > > DEFINING THE GOAL > > ================= > > > > The list below is a set of tasks that a user could reasonably expect > > to perform on a computer running Linux that has access to zero, one > > or more audio interfaces. > > > > The desired task should either work, or produce a sensible and > > comprehensible error message explaining why it failed. For example, > > attempting to control input gain on a device that has no hardware > > mixer should explain that the device has no controls for input gain. > > > > PLAYBACK > > > > - play a compressed audio file > > * user driven (e.g. play(1)) > > * app driven (e.g. {kde,gnome_play}_audiofile()) > > - play a PCM encoded audio file (specifics as above) > > - hear system sounds > > - VOIP > > - game audio > > - music composition > > - music editing > > - video post production > > > > RECORDING > > > > - record from hardware inputs > > * use default audio interface > > * use other audio interface > > * specify which h/w input to use > > * control input gain > > - record from other application(s) > > - record from live (network-delivered) compressed audio > > streams > > > > > > MIXING > > > > - control h/w mixer device (if any) > > > > * allow use of a generic app for this > > * NOTE to non-audio-focused readers: the h/w mixer > > is part of the audio interface that is used > > to control signal levels, input selection > > for recording, and other h/w specific features. > > Some pro-audio interfaces do not have a h/w mixer, > > most consumer ones do. It has almost nothing > > to do with "hardware mixing" which describes > > the ability of the h/w to mix together multiple > > software-delivered audio data streams. > > > > - multiple applications using soundcard simultaneously > > - control application volumes independently > > - provide necessary apps for controlling specialized > > hardware (e.g. RME HDSP, ice1712, ice1724, liveFX) > > > > ROUTING > > > > - route audio to specific h/w among several installed > > devices - route audio between applications > > - route audio across network > > > > MULTIUSER > > > > - which of the above should work in a multi-user scenario? > > > > MISC > > > > - use multiple soundcards as a single logical device > > From reuben.m at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 14:38:57 2006 From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin) Date: Wed Apr 5 14:39:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Making Audio on Linux Just Work: (1) defining the goals In-Reply-To: References: <1134406063.13653.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200604051149.30751.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: On 4/5/06, Reuben Martin wrote: > It was posted to the OSDL Desktop architects mailing list. (Same list > that Linux made a statement about not liking Gnome that set off a big > hoopla) That should be Linus, not Linux. :P >See here: > http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000470.html > > -Reuben > > On 4/5/06, M P Smoak wrote: > > > > Paul, did this effort result in the list of tasks that you were seeking? > > Maybe I missed it, but I've not seen any feedback on the result and > > where it went. I hope it went somewhere and is being worked on. Thanks > > you very much for your contributions. > > > > Marv > > > > On Monday 12 December 2005 11:47, Paul Davis wrote: > > > ( LAU folk: this is an initial outline of an email I want to dispatch > > > to the desktop-architects list in the very near future. Your comments > > > are eagerly sought. Note that this section specifically seeks to > > > avoid any discussion of implementations or specific approachs. I > > > would like to fully flesh out the list of tasks ASAP ) > > > > > > Making Sound Just Work > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > One of the "second tier" of requirements mentioned several times at > > > the OSDL Portland Linux Desktop Architects workshop was "making audio > > > on Linux just work". Many people find it easy to leave this > > > requirement lying around in various lists of goals and requirements, > > > but before we can make any progress on defining a plan to implement > > > the goal, we first need to define it rather more precisely. > > > > > > DEFINING THE GOAL > > > ================= > > > > > > The list below is a set of tasks that a user could reasonably expect > > > to perform on a computer running Linux that has access to zero, one > > > or more audio interfaces. > > > > > > The desired task should either work, or produce a sensible and > > > comprehensible error message explaining why it failed. For example, > > > attempting to control input gain on a device that has no hardware > > > mixer should explain that the device has no controls for input gain. > > > > > > PLAYBACK > > > > > > - play a compressed audio file > > > * user driven (e.g. play(1)) > > > * app driven (e.g. {kde,gnome_play}_audiofile()) > > > - play a PCM encoded audio file (specifics as above) > > > - hear system sounds > > > - VOIP > > > - game audio > > > - music composition > > > - music editing > > > - video post production > > > > > > RECORDING > > > > > > - record from hardware inputs > > > * use default audio interface > > > * use other audio interface > > > * specify which h/w input to use > > > * control input gain > > > - record from other application(s) > > > - record from live (network-delivered) compressed audio > > > streams > > > > > > > > > MIXING > > > > > > - control h/w mixer device (if any) > > > > > > * allow use of a generic app for this > > > * NOTE to non-audio-focused readers: the h/w mixer > > > is part of the audio interface that is used > > > to control signal levels, input selection > > > for recording, and other h/w specific features. > > > Some pro-audio interfaces do not have a h/w mixer, > > > most consumer ones do. It has almost nothing > > > to do with "hardware mixing" which describes > > > the ability of the h/w to mix together multiple > > > software-delivered audio data streams. > > > > > > - multiple applications using soundcard simultaneously > > > - control application volumes independently > > > - provide necessary apps for controlling specialized > > > hardware (e.g. RME HDSP, ice1712, ice1724, liveFX) > > > > > > ROUTING > > > > > > - route audio to specific h/w among several installed > > > devices - route audio between applications > > > - route audio across network > > > > > > MULTIUSER > > > > > > - which of the above should work in a multi-user scenario? > > > > > > MISC > > > > > > - use multiple soundcards as a single logical device > > > > > From rj at spamatica.se Wed Apr 5 15:54:18 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Wed Apr 5 14:53:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse timing and Rosegarden crashing X In-Reply-To: <4433DF74.30101@sympatico.ca> References: <44336A3C.7030003@sympatico.ca> <200604051331.24879.rj@spamatica.se> <4433DF74.30101@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200604052054.19150.rj@spamatica.se> Hi, On Wednesday 05 Apr 2006 16:17, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: <...> > Thanks Robert for your interest. The MIDI file I'm using for testing was > made in a windows system (using Cubase) so I have the tempo reference > from there. I played the music and I can hear that the tempo is faster > in Muse and is the right one in Rosegarden. If you try 'file themidifile.mid' on the original midi file you imported, what information does it print? Possibly it's a format that muse does not handle correctly. Regards, Robert > > > Hector. -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Apr 5 15:01:35 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Apr 5 15:01:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? Message-ID: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> Hi, I've just tried out linuxsampler (well, qsampler really) for the first time, with some samples from Worra's Place. Everything seems to work but the sound is very distorted with every gig I've tried. Ugly nonlinear distortion, almost like a ring modulator. Not at all subtle. It happens even if I play a single note at low velocity. Doesn't sound like xrun choppiness, and no other apps on this box make similar sounds. I'm using ALSA output, no Jack. Version info: libgig 2.0.1 liblscp 0.3.0 qsampler 0.1.2 LinuxSampler 0.3.3 Anybody encountered this? Any clues? -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Apr 5 17:08:22 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Apr 5 15:20:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] magic mastering tips needed In-Reply-To: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> (Atte =?utf-8?q?Andr=C3=A9?= Jensen's message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:42:24 +0200") References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87odzfwx15.fsf@esben-stien.name> Atte Andr? Jensen writes: > some of you mastering gurus This has really nothing to do with mastering[1], though;). You want help on your mix. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_mastering -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Apr 5 15:31:33 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Apr 5 15:32:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20060405193133.GC19189@slinkp.com> On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 03:01:35PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > Hi, > > I've just tried out linuxsampler (well, qsampler really) for the > first time, with some samples from Worra's Place. > Everything seems to work but the sound is very distorted > with every gig I've tried. Ugly nonlinear distortion, almost like > a ring modulator. Not at all subtle. It happens even if I play > a single note at low velocity. Doesn't sound like xrun choppiness, > and no other apps on this box make similar sounds. > > > I'm using ALSA output, no Jack. > > Version info: > > libgig 2.0.1 > liblscp 0.3.0 > qsampler 0.1.2 > LinuxSampler 0.3.3 I just tried again under jack, with realtime scheduling. Responsiveness is very good and cpu load stays reasonable. No xruns reported. The distortion comes and goes unpredictably; things sound fine for a minute or so... then the distortion appears and keeps happening for a minute or so... then it "fixes itself". Very weird. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Wed Apr 5 16:17:59 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Apr 5 16:18:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <200604052217.59814.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 05 April 2006 21:01, Paul Winkler wrote: > Hi, > > I've just tried out linuxsampler (well, qsampler really) for the > first time, with some samples from Worra's Place. > Everything seems to work but the sound is very distorted > with every gig I've tried. Ugly nonlinear distortion, almost like > a ring modulator. Not at all subtle. It happens even if I play > a single note at low velocity. Doesn't sound like xrun choppiness, > and no other apps on this box make similar sounds. > > > I'm using ALSA output, no Jack. > > Version info: > > libgig 2.0.1 > liblscp 0.3.0 > qsampler 0.1.2 > LinuxSampler 0.3.3 > > > Anybody encountered this? Any clues? I too have just tried it out for the first time, thanks to the link to Worra's place. Got the Honky Tonk Piano files. The difference I notice from playing the usb midi keyboard compared to the demo .mp3 is that the .mp3 sounds a lot brighter. I'd send you the .wav of C major to compare, but it's 3MB. I don't think the list would like that. Of course it would help if there was some help for Linuxsampler. I feel like I'm working in the dark. Nigel. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Apr 5 16:40:12 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Apr 5 16:36:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 15:01 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > Hi, > > I've just tried out linuxsampler (well, qsampler really) for the > first time, with some samples from Worra's Place. > Everything seems to work but the sound is very distorted > with every gig I've tried. Ugly nonlinear distortion, almost like > a ring modulator. Not at all subtle. It happens even if I play > a single note at low velocity. Doesn't sound like xrun choppiness, > and no other apps on this box make similar sounds. > > > I'm using ALSA output, no Jack. i'd wager 90% chance its a bug in linuxsampler. i would keep running into this many times whenever i wrote ALSA i/o code until i wrote JACK. even early versions of JACK would do it too. once JACK was fixed, i never wrote such code again. --p From mista.tapas at gmx.net Wed Apr 5 16:47:07 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Wed Apr 5 16:47:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] magic mastering tips needed In-Reply-To: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060405224707.3df7902c@mango.fruits> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:42:24 +0200 Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I have the following track: > > http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg Great song. If only the horn was in tune [it's slightly off, best heard in the low registers in the head]. > A valid question would be "but how do you want it to sound?". Well, good > :-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and > more presence. > > Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be > linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-) I wouldn't change anything about the recording (except for the off'ish horn, but it's bearable). Sounds just fine. But's that's just me :) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From carotinobg at yahoo.it Wed Apr 5 17:02:29 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Wed Apr 5 17:02:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hiding tracks in Ardour In-Reply-To: <87odzfwx15.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> <87odzfwx15.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <200604052302.29913.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! I remember that a similar question has been asked before on this list, but I can't retrieve it in the archives: when I hide a track in Ardour, well, it disappears. But where else can I make it reappear? The manual talks about a track listing on the left of the editor windows... but how come that I can't find it? This is driving me crazy, since I feel so stupid!:) Thanks in advance!:) Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: chiama da PC a telefono a tariffe esclusive http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From v2 at iki.fi Wed Apr 5 17:07:06 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Wed Apr 5 17:07:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hiding tracks in Ardour In-Reply-To: <200604052302.29913.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> <87odzfwx15.fsf@esben-stien.name> <200604052302.29913.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <1144271226.7336.2.camel@puppeli> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 23:02 +0200, Carotinho wrote: > Hi! > > I remember that a similar question has been asked before on this list, but I > can't retrieve it in the archives: when I hide a track in Ardour, well, it > disappears. But where else can I make it reappear? The manual talks about a > track listing on the left of the editor windows... but how come that I can't > find it? This is driving me crazy, since I feel so stupid!:) The track list is in the editor, left of the canvas and right of the editor mixer strip. If you can't see it, it's probably because you've dragged the side of the list so that it disappears. You see the track list (but no editor mixer strip though), in this screenshot: http://www.ardour.org/files/main-screenshot-big.png Just find the drag handle and make the area appear again. -- Sampo Savolainen From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Wed Apr 5 17:17:43 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (baldobe) Date: Wed Apr 5 17:17:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem creating an audio CD with Gnome CD Master Message-ID: <3773553.post@talk.nabble.com> I open up CD master, choose audio > edit > insert file but when I browse to add a wav file I get no response. The menu shows the files and allows me to choose the file but the screen does not progress beyond the insert file. I just have to cancel out of it. Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Problem-creating-an-audio-CD-with-Gnome-CD-Master-t1402266.html#a3773553 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Wed Apr 5 17:17:43 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (baldobe) Date: Wed Apr 5 17:18:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem in 64Studio creating an audio CD with Gnome CD Master Message-ID: <3773553.post@talk.nabble.com> I open up CD master, choose audio > edit > insert file but when I browse to add a wav file I get no response. The menu shows the files and allows me to choose the file but the screen does not progress beyond the insert file. I just have to cancel out of it. Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Problem-in-64Studio-creating-an-audio-CD-with-Gnome-CD-Master-t1402266.html#a3773553 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Apr 5 17:40:09 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Apr 5 17:40:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 04:40:12PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 15:01 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've just tried out linuxsampler (well, qsampler really) for the > > first time, with some samples from Worra's Place. > > Everything seems to work but the sound is very distorted > > with every gig I've tried. Ugly nonlinear distortion, almost like > > a ring modulator. Not at all subtle. It happens even if I play > > a single note at low velocity. Doesn't sound like xrun choppiness, > > and no other apps on this box make similar sounds. > > > > > > I'm using ALSA output, no Jack. > > i'd wager 90% chance its a bug in linuxsampler. i would keep running > into this many times whenever i wrote ALSA i/o code until i wrote JACK. > even early versions of JACK would do it too. once JACK was fixed, i > never wrote such code again. Hmmm, but sometimes I get it under JACK too, with realtime priority and all... will try again later. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 17:39:40 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Apr 5 17:41:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: magic mastering tips needed In-Reply-To: References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4434391C.8020504@gmail.com> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Heh... > Heeeeeeeh..... > That's some nice Jazz :) Thanks :-) > For mastering, you could use Rezound or Audacity. Both support the > so-called LADSPA plugins, which are the standard tools for linux audio > processing right now. Ok, I'm quite familiar with both. Actually the cutting that I did was done in audacity, so... > I would: > > * Normalize (for the volume) > * Equalize (for the brightness, e.g. with the 'Multiband EQ') > * and perhaps add a tiny bit of compression to make the sound fuller. > (e.g. with the 'SCO1') Great, I'll give that a try, hopefully over the weekend. I hope I can bore you all with the results, maybe I need some more advice as I start working on it. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 17:42:56 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Apr 5 17:43:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: magic mastering tips needed In-Reply-To: <4433EF38.7070001@chapelperilous.net> References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> <4433EF38.7070001@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <443439E0.1020403@gmail.com> Brett McCoy wrote: > I think Jamin is a better tool... it's designed for audio mastering! Hmm, I've heard a lot about that, never tried it. Hope I can figure it out... > Here's a decent FAQ on Mastering (not Linux specific): > http://www.nthelp.com/mastering/ ...and these tips (scanned very quickly) looks like they would make me wiser, which (although not hard) would be a good thing .-) -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Apr 5 18:05:51 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Apr 5 18:06:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 17:40 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > Hmmm, but sometimes I get it under JACK too, with realtime priority > and all... will try again later. > What soundcard, sample rate, ALSA driver version? This sound similar to some problems people were having running emu10k1 devices at 44.1KHz, which disappeared when using 48KHz. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Apr 5 18:16:23 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Apr 5 18:16:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1144275384.4017.18.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 18:05 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 17:40 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > > Hmmm, but sometimes I get it under JACK too, with realtime priority > > and all... will try again later. > > > > What soundcard, sample rate, ALSA driver version? > > This sound similar to some problems people were having running emu10k1 > devices at 44.1KHz, which disappeared when using 48KHz. Sorry - my mail client just gets buggier every time I upgrade. Apparently it's possible to send two identical copies of a message by hitting "Send/Receive", "Cancel", and "Send/Receive" again :-P Lee From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Apr 5 18:23:26 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Apr 5 18:23:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060405222326.GA20981@slinkp.com> On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 06:05:51PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 17:40 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > > Hmmm, but sometimes I get it under JACK too, with realtime priority > > and all... will try again later. > > > > What soundcard, sample rate, ALSA driver version? > > This sound similar to some problems people were having running emu10k1 > devices at 44.1KHz, which disappeared when using 48KHz. See, this is why we have mailing lists :-) Problem solved. I was using my sb128 PCI card, which uses snd_1371. And I was indeed using it at 44100. Alsa version 1.0.10. Switched sampling rate to 48000 (it took me a while to realize that field in the qsampler gui is editable! It doesn't look like it)... and problem is solved. Thanks Lee!! -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 19:06:47 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Apr 5 19:06:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <20060405222326.GA20981@slinkp.com> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <20060405222326.GA20981@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604051606w5671f05ftcd34f45fa7c6692d@mail.gmail.com> On 4/5/06, Paul Winkler wrote: > > > > This sound similar to some problems people were having running emu10k1 > > devices at 44.1KHz, which disappeared when using 48KHz. > > See, this is why we have mailing lists :-) > Problem solved. I was using my sb128 PCI card, which uses > snd_1371. And I was indeed using it at 44100. Alsa version 1.0.10. > > Switched sampling rate to 48000 (it took me a while to realize that > field in the qsampler gui is editable! It doesn't look like it)... > and problem is solved. > > Thanks Lee!! > > -- > > Paul Winkler Note that LinuxSamper does not resample the gig files to the 48K sample rate so your samples are going to play about 1 note too high. GigaStudio works the same way. Almost all gig files are recorded at 44.1K. Very few exceptions to that. (I have about 3000 gig files...) If you want gig files in tune then you need to get a sound card that works well at 44.1K or get the Alsa resampling stuff to work better. CAVEAT: I haven't used LS in 6-8 months since they switched the license to non-Open Source. Possibly they have added something that addresses this, or attempts to, and was effecting the quality of the audio you are getting. Cheers, Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Apr 5 19:07:47 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Apr 5 19:08:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <20060405222326.GA20981@slinkp.com> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <20060405222326.GA20981@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <1144278467.2866.8.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 18:23 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > > See, this is why we have mailing lists :-) > Problem solved. I was using my sb128 PCI card, which uses > snd_1371. And I was indeed using it at 44100. Alsa version 1.0.10. > > Switched sampling rate to 48000 (it took me a while to realize that > field in the qsampler gui is editable! It doesn't look like it)... Pro audio apps should default to 48000 like JACK, as it's the most widely suppored sample rate (not to mention the best available on consumer hardware). > and problem is solved. That's interesting, I did not know snd-ens1371 was affected. If possible trst 1.0.11-rc4 and if it's also broken file an ALSA bug report. The Creative cards are known to suck at anything but 48KHz but I think there's also a driver bug. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 19:24:58 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Apr 5 19:25:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] magic mastering tips needed In-Reply-To: <200604051801.50139.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> <200604051801.50139.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604051624t81d5de9pbe50cfc8eb077e9b@mail.gmail.com> > On Wednesday 05 April 2006 15:42, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > Hi > > > > I have the following track: > > > > http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg > > > > It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording > > quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus > > would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what > > program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved > > file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering > > along the way. > > > > A few notes: > > > > A valid question would be "but how do you want it to sound?". Well, good > > > > :-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and > > > > more presence. > > > > Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be > > linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-) Actually I found this a nice recording, if a bit in the old school genre. How was it mic'ed? A couple of mics at an off stage location? The playing is good and well suited for the type of music. I enjoyed it a lot. As for the mastering part, I'd say that while I agree that it could use more high-end I think that anything you do to get the high-end up very far will likely result in disappointing results in terms of overall distortion. The best I'd probably try for here is to follow the #1 rule about frequency issues - "Remove...do not add". I'd probably start by decreasing the bass and possibly just a bit of the mid-range a bit and then add just a small bit of of overall compression to bring up the volume of the track a little. Keep the compression VERY light or you'll lose the live feel to the track I think. I'm going to guess that since the high frequency content is down you might try a fairly slow attack time and then play with the release times. I wouldn't want to compress more than a few dB though. Keep it light. If you wanted to get more involved with the track you could try Jamin and set both the EQ and compression levels on the bass and mid-range bands a bit higher and leave the upper range completely alone. If you go this way you might bring up the output of the upper range since the track output is low and you're nowhere near clipping anything from what I Can tell. Just keep in mind that nothing is really going to add what you hear lacking because it isn't there in the first place. Better to just make the best of what you've got, which I think is very enjoyable music, and then learn how to make your next recording better in the areas this one lacks. I really did enjoy the track. Thanks for sharing. Cheers, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 19:27:35 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Apr 5 19:28:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Khagan 0.1 released. Important fix. Khagan 0.1.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604051627u367aa6ccx31f3087e139b27dd@mail.gmail.com> On 4/5/06, Loki Davison wrote: > On 4/5/06, Loki Davison wrote: > > On 4/4/06, Dave Griffiths wrote: > > > > G'day All, > > > > > > > > The first release of Khagan is now out! > > > > > > > > Khagan is a live user interface builder for controlling parameters via > > > > OSC. It's mainly aimed at the Om modular synth but anything OSC can be > > > > controlled. You can create gui's using the phat widgets. The pad > > > > widget is xinput ready and if used with a graphics tablet allows 5-d > > > > control. > > Khagan 0.1.1 out now. Some how one of the glade entries had renamed > itself making pad editing no longer work. Fixed now. Few minor feature > additions too. > > Loki I cannot say a thing about the technology, but both my wife and I loved the look and feel of the web pages. Very nice graphics, colors, and especially the way the text scrolls across the the background. Good page design. Thanks, Mark From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Wed Apr 5 19:35:21 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Wed Apr 5 19:39:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] magic mastering tips needed In-Reply-To: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1144280121.11287.4.camel@eviltwin> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 15:42 +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I have the following track: > > http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg > > It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording > quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus > would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what > program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved > file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering > along the way. > > A few notes: > > A valid question would be "but how do you want it to sound?". Well, good > :-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and > more presence. > > Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be > linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-) > Nice track. I played around with it a bit. If you want to try JAMin take the attached file and place it in your .jamin directory (uncompress it first). You can use alsaplayer with the -o jack option and run that in to JAMin or use Ardour for both in and out. The at_slum.jam file should show up in JAMin if you go to File->Open. I only spent a few minutes on the settings. You really don't want to push this track too much as you'll lose some of the dynamics. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: at_slum.jam.gz Type: application/x-gzip Size: 2578 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060405/5fb97fc1/at_slum.jam.bin From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Wed Apr 5 19:51:52 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Wed Apr 5 19:44:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] magic mastering tips needed In-Reply-To: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060405235152.GB4747@linux-1> On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 03:42:24PM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg > > It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording > quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus > would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what > program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved > file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering > along the way. The sound isn't bad at all - it's just _that_ type of sound and you like it or not. As it is you get the intimate feel of a very small jazz club. It could be made a bit more 'contemporary' by adding some equalisation and some reverb. But unless you have this as a multitrack session and you can remix it and apply the EQ and reverb selectively, I'd leave it alone, maybe just adding some very light HF shelving to give it just a touch more brightness. The major problem is that some parts are horribly out of tune, at least to my ears... -- FA Follie! Follie! Delirio vano e' questo! From aaron at nquit.com Wed Apr 5 19:47:52 2006 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron Trumm) Date: Wed Apr 5 19:49:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] magic mastering tips needed In-Reply-To: <20060405235152.GB4747@linux-1> References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> <20060405235152.GB4747@linux-1> Message-ID: <1144280872.11799.0.camel@cmn48.stanford.edu> that recording is fine - leave it alone On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 01:51 +0200, fons adriaensen wrote: > On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 03:42:24PM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > > http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg > > > > It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording > > quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus > > would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what > > program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved > > file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering > > along the way. > > The sound isn't bad at all - it's just _that_ type of sound and you > like it or not. As it is you get the intimate feel of a very small > jazz club. It could be made a bit more 'contemporary' by adding some > equalisation and some reverb. But unless you have this as a > multitrack session and you can remix it and apply the EQ and reverb > selectively, I'd leave it alone, maybe just adding some very light > HF shelving to give it just a touch more brightness. > > The major problem is that some parts are horribly out of tune, at > least to my ears... > > From florin at andrei.myip.org Wed Apr 5 20:37:18 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Wed Apr 5 20:37:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RPM packages: M-Audio Midisport driver for Fedora Message-ID: <1144283838.2620.2.camel@rivendell.home.local> ftp://andrei.myip.org/midisport/ The binary packages were built on Fedora Core 5. The src.rpm packages should rebuild cleanly on most RPM-based systems, I suppose. The spec files used to generate them were slightly hacked from the original ones. Works For Me (TM) on Fedora 5 with M-Audio Midisport 4x4 -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Apr 5 21:00:04 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Apr 5 20:57:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Spring Clean In-Reply-To: <20060405081953.GA21526@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060403195650.3e175d0f@localhost> <20060403213303.GA10205@phlunky.Belkin> <20060405025802.44507d76@localhost> <20060405081953.GA21526@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060406020004.3fceee00@localhost> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:19:53 +0100 james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Wed, 05 Apr, 2006 at 02:58AM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:39:11 +0100 > > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 03 Apr, 2006 at 07:56PM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > > > > Well after some thought I decided to give my website a tidy up. Also > > > > investigating ogg, mp3 etc. players and converters I realised there is > > > > more out there than I thought. With that in mind I have begun the > > > > oggification of my music, and just put a link to information for my > > > > friends who use a 'different' OS - not that anyone here will need it! > > > > > > > > In the process I've made a few tweaks (I can never resist the urge to > > > > fiddle) and there are some new tracks as well. Some are just musical > > > > 'toys' others, such as 'Dreamer' more serious - if that's the right > > > > word. There *shouldn't* be any problems with the site. If there are > > > > please let me know. > > > > > > Not a problem, but a tiny suggestion: Make track names emphasised. > > > It would make it a whole lot easier to read. > > > > > > James > > > > OK. Good point. It's done now. > > Much easier, ta! Good stuff on the site, too. Thanks a lot :) > > Yes I know I shouldn't be up at 3AM but I'm working on a tune that just > > *has* to be set down properly :) > > We'll be hearing it soon, then? Funny you should say that... The first 'draft' of 'Awakening The Avenger' is now up on the site. It is a *long* way from finished. I have a lot of fiddling to do with the instrumentation. The changes jar a bit in places. I also really, really, REALLY need a good sharp sounding drum kit for Hydrogen. I want a hard but light kick drum (not some woolly muffled sounding thing), a nice rattly snare, high hat, cymbals, wood block etc. Everything needs to sound very bright and clean if it is to sit well. Previously I would have used the GM kit in my Sound Canvas but I very much want to do this all in software. The separate bare bones of 'Wakeup' and 'Avenger' have been laying around in my musical 'spare parts' box for a while, but with a key change here and a tempo change there they weld together almost seamlessly :) I really must rummage around in that box more often! > > > > As usual the website is http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org -- F From salvuz_78 at virgilio.it Wed Apr 5 22:09:15 2006 From: salvuz_78 at virgilio.it (Salvatore Di Pietro) Date: Wed Apr 5 22:09:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4434784B.1000807@virgilio.it> Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 17:40 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > >>Hmmm, but sometimes I get it under JACK too, with realtime priority >>and all... will try again later. >> > > > What soundcard, sample rate, ALSA driver version? > > This sound similar to some problems people were having running emu10k1 > devices at 44.1KHz, which disappeared when using 48KHz. Well, not for me I have to say... I still have this "distortion/phasing" (depending on buffer size) problem also at 48KHz with my emu10k1 SBLive. It also happened with the others soundcards I owned: a couple SBLive emu10k1, ForteMedia fm801, various onboard intel8x0, even with no xruns even with every device on its own IRQ, from kernel 2.4.20 (maybe) with lowlat+preempt patches to 2.6.x vanilla & -rt patches from Ingo Molnar with IRQ priorities set, along various versions of ALSA and JACK from 5 years now, all built from source... I also posted the problem (and a silly workaround that I was using :) ) on this list, and it started a thread you can read at http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2005/08/0096.html Then I bought an M-Audio Delta44 and the difference is huge. I own it since september 2005 and the distortion/phasing problem (more phasing than distortion, as i run it at 2x128 48KHz all the time) has happened only three-four times maybe. Yes, it is certainly not often. BUT, it still happens, even on this good ice1712 card. :( With immutated hope for the future, -- salvuz POST FATA RESVRGO Linux registered user #291700 | machine #174619 get counted on ---> http://counter.li.org/ <--- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Apr 5 22:13:29 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Apr 5 22:13:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <4434784B.1000807@virgilio.it> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <4434784B.1000807@virgilio.it> Message-ID: <1144289609.2866.33.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 04:09 +0200, Salvatore Di Pietro wrote: > Yes, it is certainly not often. BUT, it still happens, even on this > good > ice1712 card. :( > > With immutated hope for the future, Try building JACK without --enable-optimize. Have you tried a different machine? Or changing the PCI latency settings? Lee From salvuz_78 at virgilio.it Wed Apr 5 22:34:57 2006 From: salvuz_78 at virgilio.it (Salvatore Di Pietro) Date: Wed Apr 5 22:35:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <1144289609.2866.33.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <4434784B.1000807@virgilio.it> <1144289609.2866.33.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44347E51.4080709@virgilio.it> Lee Revell wrote: [cut] Hey! great reply time! :) > Try building JACK without --enable-optimize. Hmmm... I don't remember having done that. Gotta try it. And in this case I don't have to rebuild all the clients, do I? > Have you tried a different machine? Yes, same results... > Or changing the PCI latency settings? Same as above. Maybe the PCI latency settings i made are not correct, here they are: #enough bandwidth for all devices setpci -d *:* latency_timer=b0 ## max bandwidth for Delta44 setpci -s 00:0b.0 latency_timer=FF I also remember an old thread http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=8422439 on calculating the right values for PCI latency for each card in the MB. I remember having ended up following http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-hw2.html ciao -- salvuz POST FATA RESVRGO Linux registered user #291700 | machine #174619 get counted on ---> http://counter.li.org/ <--- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Apr 5 22:46:57 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Apr 5 22:47:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <44347E51.4080709@virgilio.it> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <4434784B.1000807@virgilio.it> <1144289609.2866.33.camel@mindpipe> <44347E51.4080709@virgilio.it> Message-ID: <1144291618.2866.35.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 04:34 +0200, Salvatore Di Pietro wrote: > Maybe the PCI latency settings i made are not correct, here they are: > > #enough bandwidth for all devices > setpci -d *:* latency_timer=b0 > > ## max bandwidth for Delta44 > setpci -s 00:0b.0 latency_timer=FF Does leaving these out make any difference at all? What ALSA version? Lee From salvuz_78 at virgilio.it Wed Apr 5 23:00:37 2006 From: salvuz_78 at virgilio.it (Salvatore Di Pietro) Date: Wed Apr 5 23:00:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <1144291618.2866.35.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <4434784B.1000807@virgilio.it> <1144289609.2866.33.camel@mindpipe> <44347E51.4080709@virgilio.it> <1144291618.2866.35.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44348455.5030602@virgilio.it> Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 04:34 +0200, Salvatore Di Pietro wrote: > >>Maybe the PCI latency settings i made are not correct, here they are: >> >>#enough bandwidth for all devices >>setpci -d *:* latency_timer=b0 >> >>## max bandwidth for Delta44 >>setpci -s 00:0b.0 latency_timer=FF > > > Does leaving these out make any difference at all? > > What ALSA version? Now I am on 1.0.11rc4. Tomorrow I'll try without the setpci commands (maybe it will make a difference), and the JACK recompile Thanks for the advice! -- salvuz POST FATA RESVRGO Linux registered user #291700 | machine #174619 get counted on ---> http://counter.li.org/ <--- From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Apr 5 23:02:00 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Apr 5 23:02:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <1144278467.2866.8.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <20060405222326.GA20981@slinkp.com> <1144278467.2866.8.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060406030200.GA8726@slinkp.com> On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 07:07:47PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > That's interesting, I did not know snd-ens1371 was affected. If > possible trst 1.0.11-rc4 and if it's also broken file an ALSA bug > report. building them now, will try tomorrow ... > The Creative cards are known to suck at anything but 48KHz but I think > there's also a driver bug. *shrug* i know they do internal resampling of less than pristine quality, but I've never before heard anything even remotely similar at 44.1kHz with any app I use. Normally for "serious" stuff I use my delta, but the sb 128 has never given me trouble like this. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Apr 5 23:23:26 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Apr 5 23:23:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <44348455.5030602@virgilio.it> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <4434784B.1000807@virgilio.it> <1144289609.2866.33.camel@mindpipe> <44347E51.4080709@virgilio.it> <1144291618.2866.35.camel@mindpipe> <44348455.5030602@virgilio.it> Message-ID: <1144293807.2866.38.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 05:00 +0200, Salvatore Di Pietro wrote: > and the JACK recompile I would first try compiling JACK with all default settings From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Wed Apr 5 23:29:51 2006 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Wed Apr 5 23:31:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse timing and Rosegarden crashing X In-Reply-To: <200604052054.19150.rj@spamatica.se> References: <44336A3C.7030003@sympatico.ca> <200604051331.24879.rj@spamatica.se> <4433DF74.30101@sympatico.ca> <200604052054.19150.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <44348B2F.7050408@sympatico.ca> Robert Jonsson wrote: >Hi, > >On Wednesday 05 Apr 2006 16:17, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: ><...> > > >>Thanks Robert for your interest. The MIDI file I'm using for testing was >>made in a windows system (using Cubase) so I have the tempo reference >>from there. I played the music and I can hear that the tempo is faster >>in Muse and is the right one in Rosegarden. >> >> > >If you try 'file themidifile.mid' on the original midi file you imported, what >information does it print? >Possibly it's a format that muse does not handle correctly. > >Regards, >Robert > > > >>Hector. >> >> > > > This is the output: Standard MIDI data (format 1) using 51 tracks at 1/120 Regards, Hector From dana at ubuntustudio.com Thu Apr 6 00:01:44 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Thu Apr 6 00:01:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Regarding the file sharing site Message-ID: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm going to be working on a site with a couple other people to be a central website for us to swap music files (not songs, just samples, presets, patches, etc). Here is the current list of filetypes that I want to support on this site, but I am asking for you to review it, as I likely missed many types of files we want to support: - Audio Samples (*.wav, *.ogg, *.mp3, *.au, *.aiff) - Gigasampler Banks (*.gig) - SoundFonts (*.sf2) - MIDI Samples (*.mid, *.smf) - Seq24 Loops (*.s24) - JSynthLib Patches (*.patchlib) - SysEx Files (*.syx) - Hydrogen Kits and Beats (*.h2drumkit, *.h2song) - ZynAddSubFX Settings (*.xiz, *.xmz, *.xpz) - JAMin Templates (*.jam) - QjackCtl Patchbays (*.xml) - JACK-Rack Racks (*.rack) - AlsaModularSynth Patches (*.ams) - amSynth Patches (*.amSynthPreset) - QMidiArp Arpeggios (*.qma) - QMidiRoute Routes (*.qmr) - Om Patches (*.om) - Pd Patches (*.pd, *.pat) I know that the usefulness may be questionable for some of these, but I don't want to exclude something just because a few people won't use it. But if, for example, everyone agrees that QjackCtl or JAMin files are useless to share, then we can remove them. Also, my goal is that all files uploaded can be used for any purpose, short of someone collecting them and selling them... So you could take any samples or loops I upload and use them in any way you like, to create songs of your own for your new hit album, or to modify them and remix them and send them back to the site for everyone else to share. Is there anyone who disagrees with such a disclaimer/license for the site content? Obviously you can't upload work that someone else did under a restricted license, so we won't see the Titanic SoundFont uploaded or something like that. Is there any particular feature you would want on the site that we might not have already though of? We do not want articles posted there, nor a wiki, or anything like that. This will be strictly a file-swap site, but features to make it funner/easier/better/unique would be welcome suggestions (no promises that we can or will implement anything). Thanks in advance for any feedback. Feel free to email me off-list if you or others on the list prefer. I don't mind. :) Also, if anyone is interested in being staff on the site, please let me know. Basically, at this time, the only thing a staff member will do is check uploads and flag anything that is malicious so it is hidden. If you don't want to commit to it, then don't volunteer. We will do our best to filter out that kind of crud without human intervention, but it may be necessary anyhow. Dana -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060406/c10f05bc/attachment.bin From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 00:18:11 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Apr 6 00:19:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Regarding the file sharing site In-Reply-To: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44349683.8000407@gmail.com> Dana Olson wrote: > - Audio Samples (*.wav, *.ogg, *.mp3, *.au, *.aiff) > - Gigasampler Banks (*.gig) > - SoundFonts (*.sf2) > - MIDI Samples (*.mid, *.smf) > - Seq24 Loops (*.s24) > - JSynthLib Patches (*.patchlib) > - SysEx Files (*.syx) > - Hydrogen Kits and Beats (*.h2drumkit, *.h2song) > - ZynAddSubFX Settings (*.xiz, *.xmz, *.xpz) > - JAMin Templates (*.jam) > - QjackCtl Patchbays (*.xml) > - JACK-Rack Racks (*.rack) > - AlsaModularSynth Patches (*.ams) > - amSynth Patches (*.amSynthPreset) > - QMidiArp Arpeggios (*.qma) > - QMidiRoute Routes (*.qmr) > - Om Patches (*.om) > - Pd Patches (*.pd, *.pat) Any reason why csound files (.csd, .orx and ,sco) are not there? I imagine supercollider users would ask the same question about .sc files... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From sonicx_ at gmx.net Thu Apr 6 02:15:24 2006 From: sonicx_ at gmx.net (SoNicX) Date: Thu Apr 6 02:15:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] pci device ids for soundcards In-Reply-To: <200602282351.52445.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200602282351.52445.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200604060815.24499.sonicx_@gmx.net> hello, where would i add my soundcards pci id if it hasnt the right name,bzw not all ids are known yet? my sb audigy 2 zs pl pro is shown as a audigy 2, one of the ids is not known. can someone tell me which file those are in, or even better, what to do to add new device ids to whatever db they are in ? i found cardinformation commented out in p16v.h or .c which should, if it werent commented out also contain the ids of my specific card, so i wonder where those ids are stored in the end, i dont even know if they are to be found in the kernel source or in one of those alsa sources. thanks in advance, sonicx From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 03:06:59 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Apr 6 03:07:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Regarding the file sharing site In-Reply-To: <44349683.8000407@gmail.com> References: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44349683.8000407@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/6/06, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Dana Olson wrote: > > > - Audio Samples (*.wav, *.ogg, *.mp3, *.au, *.aiff) > > - Gigasampler Banks (*.gig) > > - SoundFonts (*.sf2) > > - MIDI Samples (*.mid, *.smf) > > - Seq24 Loops (*.s24) > > - JSynthLib Patches (*.patchlib) > > - SysEx Files (*.syx) > > - Hydrogen Kits and Beats (*.h2drumkit, *.h2song) > > - ZynAddSubFX Settings (*.xiz, *.xmz, *.xpz) > > - JAMin Templates (*.jam) > > - QjackCtl Patchbays (*.xml) > > - JACK-Rack Racks (*.rack) > > - AlsaModularSynth Patches (*.ams) > > - amSynth Patches (*.amSynthPreset) > > - QMidiArp Arpeggios (*.qma) > > - QMidiRoute Routes (*.qmr) > > - Om Patches (*.om) > > - Pd Patches (*.pd, *.pat) > > Any reason why csound files (.csd, .orx and ,sco) are not there? I > imagine supercollider users would ask the same question about .sc files... > > -- > peace, love & harmony > Atte > > http://www.atte.dk > You seem to have missed flac files in the audio stuff. I can't see khagan files either (*.kh) ;) Loki From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Thu Apr 6 03:11:21 2006 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (larsl@users.sourceforge.net) Date: Thu Apr 6 03:11:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Regarding the file sharing site In-Reply-To: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1090.85.224.118.179.1144307481.squirrel@webmail.csc.kth.se> > I'm going to be working on a site with a couple other people to be a > central website for us to swap music files (not songs, just samples, > presets, patches, etc). > > Here is the current list of filetypes that I want to support on this > site, but I am asking for you to review it, as I likely missed many > types of files we want to support: LASH session tarballs. They would be useful for packing e.g. a SEQ24 loop with an associated Om patch and Zyn master file, and do all the connections automagically. From eric at zhevny.com Thu Apr 6 04:35:06 2006 From: eric at zhevny.com (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Thu Apr 6 04:35:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Regarding the file sharing site In-Reply-To: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4434D2BA.4090305@zhevny.com> Dana Olson wrote: > I'm going to be working on a site with a couple other people to be a > central website for us to swap music files (not songs, just samples, > presets, patches, etc). > > Here is the current list of filetypes that I want to support on this > site, but I am asking for you to review it, as I likely missed many > types of files we want to support: > > - Audio Samples (*.wav, *.ogg, *.mp3, *.au, *.aiff) > - Gigasampler Banks (*.gig) > - SoundFonts (*.sf2) > - MIDI Samples (*.mid, *.smf) > - Seq24 Loops (*.s24) > - JSynthLib Patches (*.patchlib) > - SysEx Files (*.syx) > - Hydrogen Kits and Beats (*.h2drumkit, *.h2song) > - ZynAddSubFX Settings (*.xiz, *.xmz, *.xpz) > - JAMin Templates (*.jam) > - QjackCtl Patchbays (*.xml) > - JACK-Rack Racks (*.rack) > - AlsaModularSynth Patches (*.ams) > - amSynth Patches (*.amSynthPreset) > - QMidiArp Arpeggios (*.qma) > - QMidiRoute Routes (*.qmr) > - Om Patches (*.om) > - Pd Patches (*.pd, *.pat) should probably add specimen banks, too. -ERic Rz. From rncbc at rncbc.org Thu Apr 6 04:42:13 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Thu Apr 6 04:43:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Regarding the file sharing site In-Reply-To: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <7061.195.245.190.94.1144312933.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> On Thu, April 6, 2006 05:01, Dana Olson wrote: > > I know that the usefulness may be questionable for some of these, but I > don't want to exclude something just because a few people won't use it. > But if, for example, everyone agrees that QjackCtl or JAMin files are > useless to share, then we can remove them. > I believe both JAMin and QjackCtl files might be shareable alright. One reason that pops on my mind, which can be questionable of course, is about disparate JACK soundcard setups. E.g. one user's qjackctl patchbay most certainly references a multitude of alsa_pcm i/o ports that don't match anyone else's, specially if it goes beyhond the common 2 channel input/outputs (aka stereo). Studio wiring setups might surely vary, but if you take the files as templates I believe those are fairly shreable. Just don't take it as working OOTB ;) So, regarding the new site, one suggestion goes about the obvious: some producer/user supplied descriptive content along with consumer/user comments are a must-have feature. Ain't all those CMSeses doing it as a de-facto standard? :) Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From aaron at nquit.com Thu Apr 6 04:49:09 2006 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron Trumm) Date: Thu Apr 6 04:48:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 5.1 encoding... References: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4434D2BA.4090305@zhevny.com> Message-ID: <005201c65956$f8963190$0202a8c0@nquitlaptop> Hello all... For those that I haven't already asked this directly *grin* - does anybody know of software to encode dolby 5.1 (or DTS 5.1 - preferably both) in linux? that, and how exactly this process would go - i'm getting into doing music for 5.1 here at ccrma and sure I can route six channels around, or 5 or 8 or 10, and mixdown to whatever, but once i've got 6 wave files, that's where i'm clueless as of yet. the analogy being: for stereo i've got two wav files - well ok one 2 channel wav file. to bring it to a buddy's house, i've got to use cdrecord or k3b or xcdroast to burn a cd - voila. easy stuff, we all know that. but what about to bring a 5.1 dvd-audio to a buddy's house? hell i don't even know what i'd do in windows or mac. take six seperate .wav files and open up iDVD or DVD studio pro and say "ok these are the six channels make a dvd"? *scratches bunny head* no I don't know why bunny thanks in advance! :) ---------------------------------- Aaron Trumm NQuit - www.nquit.com CCRMA, Stanford University http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~atrumm ---------------------------------- From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Apr 6 04:51:41 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Apr 6 04:51:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Khagan 0.1 released. Important fix. Khagan 0.1.1 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604051627u367aa6ccx31f3087e139b27dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0604051627u367aa6ccx31f3087e139b27dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060406085141.GA7387@charly.SWORD> On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 04:27:35PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > I cannot say a thing about the technology, but both my wife and I > loved the look and feel of the web pages. Very nice graphics, colors, > and especially the way the text scrolls across the the background. > Good page design. Thank you! :D Cheers, Thorsten Wilms From sonicx_ at gmx.net Thu Apr 6 05:14:16 2006 From: sonicx_ at gmx.net (SoNicX) Date: Thu Apr 6 05:14:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 5.1 encoding... In-Reply-To: <005201c65956$f8963190$0202a8c0@nquitlaptop> References: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4434D2BA.4090305@zhevny.com> <005201c65956$f8963190$0202a8c0@nquitlaptop> Message-ID: <200604061114.17043.sonicx_@gmx.net> my idea would be the following: as far as i know audio-dvd is the same thing in general as a video dvd, but instead of, or possibly also besides, the video_ts dir on a video dvd, audio data has to be put in similar naming maner into audio_ts (or something like that). those directories have to be isod with a videodvd flag, or simply using k3bs functions for that. k3b show a window to pop files in, usually a bunch of mpg videos, but you could try that with mpg audio. id try to encode the waves (why not also first put all channels into one wave with a tool like snd) into some mpg1 multichannel audio. thats just a ruff guess how to do this, but maybe it helps. mfg sonicx On Thursday 06 April 2006 10:49, Aaron Trumm wrote: > Hello all... > > For those that I haven't already asked this directly *grin* - does anybody > know of software to encode dolby 5.1 (or DTS 5.1 - preferably both) in > linux? > > that, and how exactly this process would go - i'm getting into doing music > for 5.1 here at ccrma and sure I can route six channels around, or 5 or 8 > or 10, and mixdown to whatever, but once i've got 6 wave files, that's > where i'm clueless as of yet. > > the analogy being: for stereo i've got two wav files - well ok one 2 > channel wav file. to bring it to a buddy's house, i've got to use cdrecord > or k3b or xcdroast to burn a cd - voila. easy stuff, we all know that. > > but what about to bring a 5.1 dvd-audio to a buddy's house? hell i don't > even know what i'd do in windows or mac. take six seperate .wav files and > open up iDVD or DVD studio pro and say "ok these are the six channels make > a dvd"? *scratches bunny head* > > no I don't know why bunny > > thanks in advance! :) > > ---------------------------------- > Aaron Trumm > NQuit - www.nquit.com > CCRMA, Stanford University > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~atrumm > ---------------------------------- From philicorda at ntlworld.com Thu Apr 6 05:23:53 2006 From: philicorda at ntlworld.com (philicorda) Date: Thu Apr 6 05:23:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <20060405234444.EB7DAEEE640@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060405234444.EB7DAEEE640@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1144315433.11096.11.camel@localhost> > Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:07:47 -0400 > From: Lee Revell > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? > To: A list for linux audio users > Message-ID: <1144278467.2866.8.camel@mindpipe> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 18:23 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > > > > See, this is why we have mailing lists :-) > > Problem solved. I was using my sb128 PCI card, which uses > > snd_1371. And I was indeed using it at 44100. Alsa version 1.0.10. > > > > Switched sampling rate to 48000 (it took me a while to realize that > > field in the qsampler gui is editable! It doesn't look like it)... > > Pro audio apps should default to 48000 like JACK, as it's the most > widely suppored sample rate (not to mention the best available on > consumer hardware). I can't agree with this. The most popular high quality music distribution format is still the audio CD, and most sample libraries etc are still at 44.1, so it makes sense to work at 44.1 and avoid having to src everthing. On consumer hardware the slightly extended top end makes little difference too. I can understand why compatability with cheap fixed 48k rate soundcards is useful, but I don't see that as a reason to make everything default to that rate. The only place I see 48k used is for people working with video. By the way, does anyone know how I can get my email replies to go to to the correct place in a thread in the archives? They always appear as a new post, rather than after the message I am replying to. I get the digest version and just copy and paste the subject line, there must be something I'm missing. > > > and problem is solved. > > > That's interesting, I did not know snd-ens1371 was affected. If > possible trst 1.0.11-rc4 and if it's also broken file an ALSA bug > report. > > The Creative cards are known to suck at anything but 48KHz but I think > there's also a driver bug. > > Lee From dana at ubuntustudio.com Thu Apr 6 05:26:59 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Thu Apr 6 05:26:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Regarding the file sharing site In-Reply-To: <44349683.8000407@gmail.com> References: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44349683.8000407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1144315619.27743.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 06:18 +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Dana Olson wrote: > > > - Audio Samples (*.wav, *.ogg, *.mp3, *.au, *.aiff) > > - Gigasampler Banks (*.gig) > > - SoundFonts (*.sf2) > > - MIDI Samples (*.mid, *.smf) > > - Seq24 Loops (*.s24) > > - JSynthLib Patches (*.patchlib) > > - SysEx Files (*.syx) > > - Hydrogen Kits and Beats (*.h2drumkit, *.h2song) > > - ZynAddSubFX Settings (*.xiz, *.xmz, *.xpz) > > - JAMin Templates (*.jam) > > - QjackCtl Patchbays (*.xml) > > - JACK-Rack Racks (*.rack) > > - AlsaModularSynth Patches (*.ams) > > - amSynth Patches (*.amSynthPreset) > > - QMidiArp Arpeggios (*.qma) > > - QMidiRoute Routes (*.qmr) > > - Om Patches (*.om) > > - Pd Patches (*.pd, *.pat) > > Any reason why csound files (.csd, .orx and ,sco) are not there? I > imagine supercollider users would ask the same question about .sc files... > Yes. The reason is that, as I said, I don't know every app out there. So thanks for your suggestions. Dana -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060406/48c7b0fe/attachment.bin From chris at mccormick.cx Thu Apr 6 06:19:35 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Thu Apr 6 06:21:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Track made with puredata (on a Linux desktop) Message-ID: <20060406101935.GA25681@mccormick.cx> Hi, There is some other music made on a Linux desktop at similar URLs at that same host. Best regards, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From peder at musikhuset.org Thu Apr 6 07:51:56 2006 From: peder at musikhuset.org (Peder Hedlund) Date: Thu Apr 6 07:52:03 2006 Subject: Replying and archiving (was Re: [linux-audio-user] linuxsamplerdistortion?) In-Reply-To: <1144315433.11096.11.camel@localhost> References: <20060405234444.EB7DAEEE640@music.columbia.edu> <1144315433.11096.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, philicorda wrote: > By the way, does anyone know how I can get my email replies to go to to > the correct place in a thread in the archives? > They always appear as a new post, rather than after the message I am > replying to. > I get the digest version and just copy and paste the subject line, there > must be something I'm missing. Every mail has a message ID and when a reply is issued "In-Reply-To:" and "References:" flags with that ID is added to the header of the mail. I don't think you can (easily) add that manually to a copy-n-paste mail. - Peder From patrickkidd.lists at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 08:14:32 2006 From: patrickkidd.lists at gmail.com (Patrick Stinson) Date: Thu Apr 6 08:14:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music engine Message-ID: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> I've been looking for a high-performance music engine. It must have an asynchronous control (socket, pipe?) mechanism to seperate the application from the audio thread. I'm looking for: start/stop samples on the beat scaled tempo control across all samples volume effects? easily wrappable (I'll write extensions, implement protocol plugins...) with python I'm trying to write something like ableton live without writing an engine all over again. FMODex would be *perfect* if it had a well-defined tempo/beat/sync interface. thanks -- Patrick Kidd Stinson http://www.patrickkidd.com/ http://pkaudio.sourceforge.net/ http://pksampler.sourceforge.net/ From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Apr 6 08:17:46 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Apr 6 08:19:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Track made with puredata (on a Linux desktop) In-Reply-To: <20060406101935.GA25681@mccormick.cx> References: <20060406101935.GA25681@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: > What dah!!!! What a ride! Carlo From sstubbs at shout.net Thu Apr 6 08:54:47 2006 From: sstubbs at shout.net (The Other) Date: Thu Apr 6 08:55:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] German Meistercoders prefer Linux flavor ---- In-Reply-To: <200604050749.52929.sstubbs@shout.net> References: <200604050749.52929.sstubbs@shout.net> Message-ID: <200604060754.47544.sstubbs@shout.net> On Wednesday 05 April 2006 07:49 am, The Other wrote: > This is a serious request. > > I've goofed up my Linux (currently AGnuLa/DeMuDi) flavor, and will > have to reinstall. I have Debian Sarge and Mandrake 9.1 as well. > > I am asking our German constituent what flavor of Linux they > prefer. I'm on dialup and it takes around 2 days to download 1 ISO > CD from the Internet. > > I'll be using KDE and Muse; other music applications as I become > familiar with them. > > Germany, what distro do you use? > > Thank you, > Stephen. Many thanks to all the kind and informative offline replies. Following the consensus, I ordered SuSE 10 last night. Best Regards, Stephen. From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 11:03:55 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Apr 6 11:04:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: multiface latency question In-Reply-To: <70a871c80604050014v4cda2ef5v8b99b36caea980c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <70a871c80604050014v4cda2ef5v8b99b36caea980c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80604060803h370ac71cy28056ac6632726ad@mail.gmail.com> Correction: latency can be measured with jdelay, not jaaa. http://users.skynet.be/solaris/linuxaudio/ Thank you. Waiting for you answers, Dmitry. From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Apr 6 11:17:47 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Apr 6 11:17:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <20060406030200.GA8726@slinkp.com> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <20060405222326.GA20981@slinkp.com> <1144278467.2866.8.camel@mindpipe> <20060406030200.GA8726@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20060406151747.GB13122@slinkp.com> On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 11:02:00PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 07:07:47PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > That's interesting, I did not know snd-ens1371 was affected. If > > possible trst 1.0.11-rc4 and if it's also broken file an ALSA bug > > report. > > building them now, will try tomorrow ... 1.0.11 drivers give me a kernel oops on boot :-( Oh well, probably operator error but I don't have time to dig in further. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 6 11:20:15 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Thu Apr 6 11:20:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Track made with puredata (on a Linux desktop) In-Reply-To: <20060406101935.GA25681@mccormick.cx> References: <20060406101935.GA25681@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <443531AF.8020106@sbcglobal.net> Chris McCormick wrote: >Hi, > > > >There is some other music made on a Linux desktop at similar URLs at >that same host. > >Best regards, > >Chris. > >------------------- >chris@mccormick.cx >http://mccormick.cx > > > Chris that track is genious. i haven't liked any lau stuff this much since f4. it's got that autechre like computer-made-it-up feel. how did you do the sequencing? also within pd? I'm starting to play with pd myself and this track has really got me inspired to dig on in. could you maybe share some of the patches you used? once again, thanks for sharing such an awesome work. brian From bigwavedave at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 11:47:56 2006 From: bigwavedave at gmail.com (Big Wave Dave) Date: Thu Apr 6 11:48:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 5.1 encoding... In-Reply-To: <005201c65956$f8963190$0202a8c0@nquitlaptop> References: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4434D2BA.4090305@zhevny.com> <005201c65956$f8963190$0202a8c0@nquitlaptop> Message-ID: <8e124f160604060847t6b66d7e8g4543f44f4bc0b45f@mail.gmail.com> On 4/6/06, Aaron Trumm wrote: > Hello all... > > For those that I haven't already asked this directly *grin* - does anybody > know of software to encode dolby 5.1 (or DTS 5.1 - preferably both) in > linux? > > that, and how exactly this process would go - i'm getting into doing music > for 5.1 here at ccrma and sure I can route six channels around, or 5 or 8 or > 10, and mixdown to whatever, but once i've got 6 wave files, that's where > i'm clueless as of yet. > > the analogy being: for stereo i've got two wav files - well ok one 2 > channel wav file. to bring it to a buddy's house, i've got to use cdrecord > or k3b or xcdroast to burn a cd - voila. easy stuff, we all know that. > > but what about to bring a 5.1 dvd-audio to a buddy's house? hell i don't > even know what i'd do in windows or mac. take six seperate .wav files and > open up iDVD or DVD studio pro and say "ok these are the six channels make a > dvd"? *scratches bunny head* > > no I don't know why bunny > > thanks in advance! :) Please keep us updated if you find a solution. I'd be interested in a solution for this too. Thanks, Dave ---------------------------------------------------------- Are Your Friends Lemmings? -- http://www.lemmingshirts.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Apr 6 11:48:15 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Apr 6 11:49:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine In-Reply-To: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1144338496.2866.60.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 04:14 -0800, Patrick Stinson wrote: > I've been looking for a high-performance music engine. It must have an > asynchronous control (socket, pipe?) mechanism to seperate the > application from the audio thread. > > I'm looking for: > > start/stop samples on the beat > scaled tempo control across all samples > volume > effects? > easily wrappable (I'll write extensions, implement protocol > plugins...) with python > > I'm trying to write something like ableton live without writing an > engine all over again. FMODex would be *perfect* if it had a > well-defined tempo/beat/sync interface. > I think FreeWheeling might be the closest thing to Live that exists for Linux, have you looked at it? Lee From reuben.m at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 11:50:23 2006 From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin) Date: Thu Apr 6 11:51:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 5.1 encoding... In-Reply-To: <005201c65956$f8963190$0202a8c0@nquitlaptop> References: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4434D2BA.4090305@zhevny.com> <005201c65956$f8963190$0202a8c0@nquitlaptop> Message-ID: If you're just looking to dump 6 audio streams into a wav file that's easy enough to do. There are several apps that can do that, but I've only used ReZound to do that. I'm not sure if there is a particular channel order to get it mapped to specific speakers though. If you're looking to encode to an AC3 stream there is AC3jack. http://essej.net/ac3jack/ Ardour also supports multichannel tracks and busses. -Reuben On 4/6/06, Aaron Trumm wrote: > Hello all... > > For those that I haven't already asked this directly *grin* - does anybody > know of software to encode dolby 5.1 (or DTS 5.1 - preferably both) in > linux? > > that, and how exactly this process would go - i'm getting into doing music > for 5.1 here at ccrma and sure I can route six channels around, or 5 or 8 or > 10, and mixdown to whatever, but once i've got 6 wave files, that's where > i'm clueless as of yet. > > the analogy being: for stereo i've got two wav files - well ok one 2 > channel wav file. to bring it to a buddy's house, i've got to use cdrecord > or k3b or xcdroast to burn a cd - voila. easy stuff, we all know that. > > but what about to bring a 5.1 dvd-audio to a buddy's house? hell i don't > even know what i'd do in windows or mac. take six seperate .wav files and > open up iDVD or DVD studio pro and say "ok these are the six channels make a > dvd"? *scratches bunny head* > > no I don't know why bunny > > thanks in advance! :) > > ---------------------------------- > Aaron Trumm > NQuit - www.nquit.com > CCRMA, Stanford University > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~atrumm > ---------------------------------- > > > From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Apr 6 12:00:07 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Apr 6 11:56:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine In-Reply-To: <1144338496.2866.60.camel@mindpipe> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> <1144338496.2866.60.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1144339207.14746.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 11:48 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 04:14 -0800, Patrick Stinson wrote: > > I've been looking for a high-performance music engine. It must have an > > asynchronous control (socket, pipe?) mechanism to seperate the > > application from the audio thread. > > > > I'm looking for: > > > > start/stop samples on the beat > > scaled tempo control across all samples > > volume > > effects? > > easily wrappable (I'll write extensions, implement protocol > > plugins...) with python > > > > I'm trying to write something like ableton live without writing an > > engine all over again. FMODex would be *perfect* if it had a > > well-defined tempo/beat/sync interface. > > > > I think FreeWheeling might be the closest thing to Live that exists for > Linux, have you looked at it? Freewheeling is *so* unlike Live its hard to even link the two. Just for a start, Live is organized around a timeline, Freewheeling is not. From mcconville.steve at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 12:21:50 2006 From: mcconville.steve at gmail.com (Steve McConville) Date: Thu Apr 6 12:21:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine In-Reply-To: <1144339207.14746.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> <1144338496.2866.60.camel@mindpipe> <1144339207.14746.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <56652bc0604060921r2d294b3fu62fa61ae176d1380@mail.gmail.com> Have you already considered Csound5 (with the new API and python bindings)? And if so, what is it lacking for your needs? I'm genuinely interested in similar sorts of things. Also, is FreeWheeling the successor to Fluidsynth? > > > I've been looking for a high-performance music engine. It must have an > > > asynchronous control (socket, pipe?) mechanism to seperate the > > > application from the audio thread. > > > > > > I'm looking for: > > > > > > start/stop samples on the beat > > > scaled tempo control across all samples > > > volume > > > effects? > > > easily wrappable (I'll write extensions, implement protocol > > > plugins...) with python > > > > > > I'm trying to write something like ableton live without writing an > > > engine all over again. FMODex would be *perfect* if it had a > > > well-defined tempo/beat/sync interface. > > > > > > > I think FreeWheeling might be the closest thing to Live that exists for > > Linux, have you looked at it? > > Freewheeling is *so* unlike Live its hard to even link the two. Just for > a start, Live is organized around a timeline, Freewheeling is not. > > -- steev(); From b0ef at esben-stien.name Thu Apr 6 15:00:17 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu Apr 6 13:12:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <1144315433.11096.11.camel@localhost> (philicorda@ntlworld.com's message of "Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:23:53 +0100") References: <20060405234444.EB7DAEEE640@music.columbia.edu> <1144315433.11096.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <87hd56fs1q.fsf@esben-stien.name> philicorda writes: > does anyone know how I can get my email replies to go to to the > correct place in a thread in the archives? Your email client is generating faulty headers and you should report it to the list of your email client. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Thu Apr 6 15:02:57 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu Apr 6 13:15:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Regarding the file sharing site In-Reply-To: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> (Dana Olson's message of "Thu, 06 Apr 2006 00:01:44 -0400") References: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <87d5fufrxa.fsf@esben-stien.name> Dana Olson writes: > Is there anyone who disagrees with such a disclaimer/license for the > site content? I think it should be GPL, even if it's artistic work, but that might just be me. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From steve at hassard.net Thu Apr 6 13:15:08 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Thu Apr 6 13:16:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <87hd56fs1q.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <20060405234444.EB7DAEEE640@music.columbia.edu> <1144315433.11096.11.camel@localhost> <87hd56fs1q.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <44354C9C.5050908@hassard.net> Esben Stien wrote: >> does anyone know how I can get my email replies to go to to the >> correct place in a thread in the archives? > Your email client is generating faulty headers and you should report > it to the list of your email client. I've also seen some SMTP proxy server strip the portion of the message header that tracks the thread, specifically WatchGuard. I'm sure others do it too. later, Steve From tdhoward at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 14:14:53 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Thu Apr 6 14:15:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] magic mastering tips needed Message-ID: > From: Atte Andr? Jensen > Subject: [linux-audio-user] magic mastering tips needed > To: A list for linux audio users > Message-ID: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi > > I have the following track: > > http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg > > It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording > quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus > would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what > program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved > file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering > along the way. > > A few notes: > > A valid question would be "but how do you want it to sound?". Well, good > :-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and > more presence. > > Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be > linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-) > > -- > peace, love & harmony > Atte > > http://www.atte.dk Hi Atte, That is some really terrific jazz! I love it! I really like how it feels like you're in the room with them. I did a spectrum analysis on it and noticed that there was a big hump at about 100 Hz... so I messed around with it for a bit. Here's what I did: EQ: reduced 100Hz (1.0 octave bandwidth) -16dB Compress: 2:1 with a threshold of -20dB Normalize Here's the result: http://www.banjoboy.ms11.net/music/at_slum_avenue2.ogg I don't know if that's closer or farther from what you were looking for, but that's my attempt at helping... ;-) -TimH From daneasley at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 14:21:17 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Thu Apr 6 14:21:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine In-Reply-To: <56652bc0604060921r2d294b3fu62fa61ae176d1380@mail.gmail.com> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> <1144338496.2866.60.camel@mindpipe> <1144339207.14746.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> <56652bc0604060921r2d294b3fu62fa61ae176d1380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/6/06, Steve McConville wrote: > Have you already considered Csound5 (with the new API and python > bindings)? And if so, what is it lacking for your needs? I'm genuinely > interested in similar sorts of things. Also, is FreeWheeling the > successor to Fluidsynth? No, it's a live looping tool that can sample and repeat loops on the fly. http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/ It does have an interface for controlling fluidsynth built into it. I think I'm more or less doing what Patrick wants by using freewheeling in conjunction with jack-rack, qsampler, specimen, etc., but it sounds like he wants control over it all from one application, or perhaps something scriptable, whereas i'm alt-tabbing like mad in the middle of performance, and may actually be the human equivalent of what he wants. i'm imagining csound or pd to be the way to go. -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Apr 6 14:45:40 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Apr 6 14:46:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine In-Reply-To: References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> <1144338496.2866.60.camel@mindpipe> <1144339207.14746.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> <56652bc0604060921r2d294b3fu62fa61ae176d1380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1144349141.2866.82.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 14:21 -0400, Dan Easley wrote: > i'm imagining csound or pd to be the way to go. Last time I checked, the pd developers acknowledged that pd was not written in a fully RT safe way - display activity will cause xruns. Maybe this has been fixed. Lee From dana at ubuntustudio.com Thu Apr 6 15:02:05 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Thu Apr 6 15:01:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Regarding the file sharing site In-Reply-To: <87d5fufrxa.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <87d5fufrxa.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <1144350125.20135.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 21:02 +0200, Esben Stien wrote: > Dana Olson writes: > > > Is there anyone who disagrees with such a disclaimer/license for the > > site content? > > I think it should be GPL, even if it's artistic work, but that might > just be me. > So if you upload a patch for ZynAddSubFX and I use it to record an album, I have to release my entire album under the GPL? I don't think many people will want to use such a license... That would be like Tama saying that they require royalties for every record sold that uses one of their snare drums, or Roland demanding royalties for anyone who uses one of their instruments. No one would buy Tama or Roland products. Music isn't really the same as software, and while I tend to give away my songs as many others do, I don't think that everyone should be forced to give away their music, or provide the "source code" to their album to anyone who buys it. What exactly is the source code for an album anyhow? All the presets for every instrument and synth and mastering software and ... and ... ? However, if the license is a deal-breaker for you or anyone else using the site, I will have to have it as a mandatory option, per-file upload, and it'll be up to the musicians who download and use the files to respect the wishes of those who wish to place such restrictions on their file formats. Dana -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060406/50ad3ef4/attachment.bin From b0ef at esben-stien.name Thu Apr 6 17:47:47 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu Apr 6 15:59:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Regarding the file sharing site In-Reply-To: <1144350125.20135.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> (Dana Olson's message of "Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:02:05 -0400") References: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <87d5fufrxa.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1144350125.20135.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <8764lmfkak.fsf@esben-stien.name> Dana Olson writes: > I don't think many people will want to use such a license... Maybe not, but it would be nice if there was a site out there with GPL content. > I don't think that everyone should be forced to give away their > music, or provide the "source code" to their album to anyone who > buys it. No one should be pressured to do something against their will;). I just like to find some GPL content, cause I want to release my own music under the GPL. > What exactly is the source code for an album anyhow? All synth code, all samples, the plugin settings; every part of the song in its rawest, most modifiable form;). For me, this suits me fine because I want people to play with my content. I want people to make instrumentals to my a cappellas and I want you to play with my synth code and help me learn more and reach the goals that I aim for. > place (..) restrictions It would be nice if your site could, as an option, be browsable with only GPL content. I sure would like to find out what material has actually been released under such a license. So, it would be nice if people could also choose GPL license when they upload to your site. Also, please don't require registration to download content and no ads;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Apr 6 16:13:49 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Apr 6 16:12:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Regarding the file sharing site In-Reply-To: <8764lmfkak.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <87d5fufrxa.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1144350125.20135.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <8764lmfkak.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <20060406211349.17458cf0@localhost> On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:47:47 +0200 Esben Stien wrote: > Dana Olson writes: > > > I don't think many people will want to use such a license... > > Maybe not, but it would be nice if there was a site out there with GPL > content. > > > I don't think that everyone should be forced to give away their > > music, or provide the "source code" to their album to anyone who > > buys it. > > No one should be pressured to do something against their will;). I > just like to find some GPL content, cause I want to release my own > music under the GPL. It seems to me the GPL is wholly inappropriate. What is wrong with the Creative Commons 2.5 Licence? -- F From b0ef at esben-stien.name Thu Apr 6 18:02:20 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu Apr 6 16:15:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine In-Reply-To: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> (Patrick Stinson's message of "Thu, 6 Apr 2006 04:14:32 -0800") References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87ek0ae51v.fsf@esben-stien.name> "Patrick Stinson" writes: > music engine SuperCollider[1] [1]http://www.audiosynth.com/ -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From steiner at block4.com Thu Apr 6 16:22:47 2006 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Thu Apr 6 16:15:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music engine In-Reply-To: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44357897.6050300@block4.com> Hello, I am looking for a library to integrate in an application too, but c/c++. Interesting is sndobj by Victor Lazzarini http://music.nuim.ie/musictec/SndObj/ who is also involved in csound development. It can do all the things you mentioned below Patrick Stinson schrieb: > I've been looking for a high-performance music engine. It must have an > asynchronous control (socket, pipe?) mechanism to seperate the > application from the audio thread. > > I'm looking for: > > start/stop samples on the beat > scaled tempo control across all samples > volume > effects? except that it has no python bindings and I have difficulties to get it running on my machines, but I contacted Victor already to figure out if its just me. On the paper it looked very well suited for your task, changing pitch and speed of samples independently, either with granular synthesis like Live or phasevocoder like -maybe, nobody knows- Rolands V-Synth. Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- Elektronengehirn concert 29. April 2006 KuBaSta Hamburg, Germany more at blog 4, also available as rss feed: http://java.block4.com/blog4/ From carotinobg at yahoo.it Wed Apr 5 18:23:16 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Thu Apr 6 16:15:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hiding tracks in Ardour In-Reply-To: <1144271226.7336.2.camel@puppeli> References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> <200604052302.29913.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <1144271226.7336.2.camel@puppeli> Message-ID: <200604060023.17694.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Alle 23:07, mercoled? 5 aprile 2006, Sampo Savolainen ha scritto: > The track list is in the editor, left of the canvas and right of the > editor mixer strip. If you can't see it, it's probably because you've > dragged the side of the list so that it disappears. > > You see the track list (but no editor mixer strip though), in this > screenshot: > > http://www.ardour.org/files/main-screenshot-big.png > > Just find the drag handle and make the area appear again. Oh, solved the mistery:) Kiitos:) Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From rj at spamatica.se Thu Apr 6 17:17:48 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Thu Apr 6 16:20:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse timing and Rosegarden crashing X In-Reply-To: <44348B2F.7050408@sympatico.ca> References: <44336A3C.7030003@sympatico.ca> <200604052054.19150.rj@spamatica.se> <44348B2F.7050408@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200604062217.49526.rj@spamatica.se> On Thursday 06 Apr 2006 04:29, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > Robert Jonsson wrote: > >Hi, > > > >On Wednesday 05 Apr 2006 16:17, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > ><...> > > > >>Thanks Robert for your interest. The MIDI file I'm using for testing was > >>made in a windows system (using Cubase) so I have the tempo reference > >>from there. I played the music and I can hear that the tempo is faster > >>in Muse and is the right one in Rosegarden. You mention that you can hear that it's faster, in my mind that means that it must be quite a bit faster, how much faster do you recon it is? %, bpm? I've tried to import some mid files and compared with how timidity play them and cannot detect any audible difference. There is some difference in how long timidity and muse reports the pieces to be but I can't be sure they count the same so it's hard to tell. Regards, Robert > > > >If you try 'file themidifile.mid' on the original midi file you imported, > > what information does it print? > >Possibly it's a format that muse does not handle correctly. > > > >Regards, > >Robert > > > >>Hector. > > This is the output: > > Standard MIDI data (format 1) using 51 tracks at 1/120 > > > Regards, > > Hector -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From ix at replic.net Thu Apr 6 16:23:38 2006 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Thu Apr 6 16:25:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music engine In-Reply-To: <44357897.6050300@block4.com> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> <44357897.6050300@block4.com> Message-ID: <20060406202338.GC16853@replic.net> > except that it has no python bindings and I have difficulties to get it > running on my machines, but I contacted Victor already to figure out if > its just me. check out Chuck http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ or SC http://www.audiosynth.com/. theyre realtime audio engines that run on linux. SC is a pair of a synthesis engine, and a language to control it. the SCLang unfortunately only works on 32bit x86 and ppc, but there are other options available, like Haskell: http://www.slavepianos.org/rd/f/409875/ , and probably anything else you can rig up via OSC.. From tito at rumford.de Thu Apr 6 17:07:39 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Thu Apr 6 16:25:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Track made with puredata (on a Linux desktop) In-Reply-To: <20060406101935.GA25681@mccormick.cx> References: <20060406101935.GA25681@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <200604062307.39518.tito@rumford.de> Chris McCormick : > Hi, > > h_and_rescue.mp3> Hellishly good. What clings me in tracks like this is that filter sweeps, modulations make mind-bogglingly dull waveforms appear to be alive, soulful even, when that is of course the life and "soul" of an author. A profound misunderstanding, but tried and tested just the same. You're a master at that. What will you do now? -- Wolfgang From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Thu Apr 6 16:41:58 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Thu Apr 6 16:42:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <20060406151747.GB13122@slinkp.com> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <20060405222326.GA20981@slinkp.com> <1144278467.2866.8.camel@mindpipe> <20060406030200.GA8726@slinkp.com> <20060406151747.GB13122@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20060407064158.615f96ea.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Paul Winkler wrote: > 1.0.11 drivers give me a kernel oops on boot :-( > Oh well, probably operator error but I don't have time to dig in > further. YOu probably compiled the drivers with a different gcc version to what the kernel was compiled with. This can cause major screw-ups. Check the kernelboot sequence for the gcc version used to compile it and then try to match it. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future." -- Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for Council of American Islamic Relations. From tito at rumford.de Thu Apr 6 17:32:07 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Thu Apr 6 16:48:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Track made with puredata (on a Linux desktop) In-Reply-To: <20060406101935.GA25681@mccormick.cx> References: <20060406101935.GA25681@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <200604062332.07794.tito@rumford.de> Chris McCormick : > There is some other music made on a Linux desktop at > similar URLs at that same host. Plus you seem to have Kjetil powers, a grind that gets at me. The aptitude of your stuff makes me think of another genius called "majik", I wonder where he roams about now. -- Wolfgang From b0ef at esben-stien.name Thu Apr 6 18:41:50 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu Apr 6 16:53:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Regarding the file sharing site In-Reply-To: <20060406211349.17458cf0@localhost> (folderol@ukfsn.org's message of "Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:13:49 +0100") References: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <87d5fufrxa.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1144350125.20135.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <8764lmfkak.fsf@esben-stien.name> <20060406211349.17458cf0@localhost> Message-ID: <87vetmconl.fsf@esben-stien.name> Folderol writes: > It seems to me the GPL is wholly inappropriate. GPL is designed for functional works, but I also see music and music creation as functional, not just as expressive artistic works. > What is wrong with the Creative Commons 2.5 Licence? It's not exactly clear what a CC license is. Saying just Creative Commons is not enough. It might be non commercial and it might be non derivative. When you use the GPL for your music, you have to provide every element of the work available. This is not the case with any of the CC licenses, and therefor, not sufficient for how I want to interact with music that I like. Truly free music lets me play with music not possible in any other way. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From jstutters at jeremah.co.uk Thu Apr 6 17:09:14 2006 From: jstutters at jeremah.co.uk (Jonny Stutters) Date: Thu Apr 6 17:09:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Track made with puredata (on a Linux desktop) In-Reply-To: <20060406101935.GA25681@mccormick.cx> References: <20060406101935.GA25681@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <4435837A.1010706@jeremah.co.uk> Chris McCormick wrote: > > > There is some other music made on a Linux desktop at similar URLs at > that same host. Great track! Very Autechre-y vibe (in a good way). Gives me the urge to do some work on my FM patches. -- Jonny Music - http://jeremah.co.uk News - http://voxpolis.com From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Thu Apr 6 17:11:59 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu Apr 6 17:13:22 2006 Subject: bass punchiness [was Re: [linux-audio-user] I'm back with some music] In-Reply-To: References: <311b5a1a0603250738q4c1e3ed3v@mail.gmail.com> <20060325203512.GP10023@phlunky.Belkin> <311b5a1a0603260234p4031d41dg@mail.gmail.com> <311b5a1a0603260241n4ef276bv@mail.gmail.com> <4426EF26.70000@boosthardware.com> <70a871c80603261446j308b6ae0g67ef9d35758335fc@mail.gmail.com> <20060327072540.0a236010@localhost> <4432BA95.5060004@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <4435841F.1010300@boosthardware.com> Loki Davison wrote: > On 4/5/06, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> Loki Davison wrote: >> >>> Side chain compressors can also help a lot. Having an env on frequency >>> is really nice too, dropping the frequency with time. >>> http://loki.theworldsbestdomain.com/notbigfish.ogg example of quite a >>> big punchy bass. >>> >>> Loki >>> >> Hi, >> >> Picking up this thread again. >> >> I have tried the various suggestions and it has definitely made the bass >> more sound fuller. However, The sound being generated is a constant >> drone or pulse. Fluctuating, rhythmic and melodic but still constant. >> >> Does anyone have a tip for making the bass stop at set times. >> >> For the purposes of this experiment I am using this chain: >> >> Trigger->envelope->wavetable->moog filter->oscillator->compressor-output >> >> Which creates a sound like this: >> >> http://djcj.org/audio/kotau/bassline-040506.ogg >> >> While this is actually quite a desirable sound for me I would also like >> to be able to trigger when it stops, not just when it starts. >> >> >> >> Cheers. >> > > Is this using om? Just copy one of the example patches to work out how > to do env's correctly. There are a lot of good/decent bass patches in > the om examples > > Loki > Easier said than done. Every patch I load has missing plugins. It's gonna take a while to get them all installed. However I now have om and patchage installed which is pretty useful. If you have a patch using only swh plugins then I could probably load it. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/ - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== Apparently upon the beginning of the barrage, the donkey broke discipline and panicked, toppling the cart. At that point, the rockets disconnected from the timer, leaving them strewn around the street. Tethered to the now toppled cart, the donkey was unable to escape before the arrival of U.S. troops. United Press International Rockets on donkeys hit major Baghdad sites By P. MITCHELL PROTHERO Published 11/21/2003 11:13 AM From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 18:05:02 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Apr 6 18:05:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music engine In-Reply-To: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604061505m7f082266sd200019b229d3028@mail.gmail.com> On 4/6/06, Patrick Stinson wrote: > I've been looking for a high-performance music engine. It must have an > asynchronous control (socket, pipe?) mechanism to seperate the > application from the audio thread. > > I'm looking for: > > start/stop samples on the beat > scaled tempo control across all samples > volume > effects? > easily wrappable (I'll write extensions, implement protocol > plugins...) with python > > I'm trying to write something like ableton live without writing an > engine all over again. FMODex would be *perfect* if it had a > well-defined tempo/beat/sync interface. > > thanks > > -- > Patrick Kidd Stinson Hi Patrick, I've been down this rabbit hole 1000 times in the last 4-5 years. There is nothing in the Linux-Audio world even remotely like Live or Acid Pro in terms of handling the scaling of pitch and tempo across all samples. I just updated to Acid Pro 6 this week for $99 since that sort of stuff I do playing with Acid Pro is nearly impossible in any Linux app I've found. There was some work done a long time ago for Ardour which allowed it to pain samples in an audio track pretty much like Acid and Live do. Unfortunately there was never any work done, TTBOMK, to manage the pitch/tempo changes required to get that sort of functionality. Too bad as it's a really fun way to play around with loops to come up with song ideas. Maybe one day.... Cheers, Mark From brad at sonaural.com Thu Apr 6 18:20:59 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Apr 6 18:21:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music engine In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604061505m7f082266sd200019b229d3028@mail.gmail.com> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0604061505m7f082266sd200019b229d3028@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4435944B.1030504@sonaural.com> Mark Knecht wrote: > > Hi Patrick, > I've been down this rabbit hole 1000 times in the last 4-5 years. > There is nothing in the Linux-Audio world even remotely like Live or > Acid Pro in terms of handling the scaling of pitch and tempo across > all samples. I just updated to Acid Pro 6 this week for $99 since that > sort of stuff I do playing with Acid Pro is nearly impossible in any > Linux app I've found. > anyone try Freeycle? http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23494 From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 18:24:44 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Apr 6 18:24:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music engine In-Reply-To: <4435944B.1030504@sonaural.com> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0604061505m7f082266sd200019b229d3028@mail.gmail.com> <4435944B.1030504@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604061524w6ab2b85fk38a3ea6391af1b87@mail.gmail.com> On 4/6/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > Hi Patrick, > > I've been down this rabbit hole 1000 times in the last 4-5 years. > > There is nothing in the Linux-Audio world even remotely like Live or > > Acid Pro in terms of handling the scaling of pitch and tempo across > > all samples. I just updated to Acid Pro 6 this week for $99 since that > > sort of stuff I do playing with Acid Pro is nearly impossible in any > > Linux app I've found. > > > anyone try Freeycle? http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23494 > > I looked at it but since it advertizes itself as a beat slicer it didn't seem to have the multitrack capabilities that are required to put a whole song together. I think th eunderlying technology could be helpful in getting to an Acid Pro/Ableton Live/Fruity Loops type program. My sense is that this question has been asked so many times that the real issue is finding a developer passionate about it. There's no reason at all this couldn't be done in Linux if someone wanted to make it happen. Cheers, Mark From patrickkidd.lists at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 18:26:27 2006 From: patrickkidd.lists at gmail.com (Patrick Stinson) Date: Thu Apr 6 18:26:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music engine In-Reply-To: <4435944B.1030504@sonaural.com> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0604061505m7f082266sd200019b229d3028@mail.gmail.com> <4435944B.1030504@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <664bf2b80604061526u53bdade0g5814dfbc00d05c55@mail.gmail.com> freecycle is a great app, but it is more for editting static content then manipulating a stream in real-time On 4/6/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > Hi Patrick, > > I've been down this rabbit hole 1000 times in the last 4-5 years. > > There is nothing in the Linux-Audio world even remotely like Live or > > Acid Pro in terms of handling the scaling of pitch and tempo across > > all samples. I just updated to Acid Pro 6 this week for $99 since that > > sort of stuff I do playing with Acid Pro is nearly impossible in any > > Linux app I've found. > > > anyone try Freeycle? http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23494 > > -- Patrick Kidd Stinson http://www.patrickkidd.com/ http://pkaudio.sourceforge.net/ http://pksampler.sourceforge.net/ From patrickkidd.lists at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 18:33:18 2006 From: patrickkidd.lists at gmail.com (Patrick Stinson) Date: Thu Apr 6 18:33:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music engine In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604061524w6ab2b85fk38a3ea6391af1b87@mail.gmail.com> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0604061505m7f082266sd200019b229d3028@mail.gmail.com> <4435944B.1030504@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0604061524w6ab2b85fk38a3ea6391af1b87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <664bf2b80604061533j4c4d4c4icbcb6585e4510e92@mail.gmail.com> Experience is the key ingredient. Some commercial support never hurts, too. On 4/6/06, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 4/6/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > Hi Patrick, > > > I've been down this rabbit hole 1000 times in the last 4-5 years. > > > There is nothing in the Linux-Audio world even remotely like Live or > > > Acid Pro in terms of handling the scaling of pitch and tempo across > > > all samples. I just updated to Acid Pro 6 this week for $99 since that > > > sort of stuff I do playing with Acid Pro is nearly impossible in any > > > Linux app I've found. > > > > > anyone try Freeycle? http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23494 > > > > > I looked at it but since it advertizes itself as a beat slicer it > didn't seem to have the multitrack capabilities that are required to > put a whole song together. > > I think th eunderlying technology could be helpful in getting to an > Acid Pro/Ableton Live/Fruity Loops type program. My sense is that this > question has been asked so many times that the real issue is finding a > developer passionate about it. There's no reason at all this couldn't > be done in Linux if someone wanted to make it happen. > > Cheers, > Mark > -- Patrick Kidd Stinson http://www.patrickkidd.com/ http://pkaudio.sourceforge.net/ http://pksampler.sourceforge.net/ From brad at sonaural.com Thu Apr 6 18:34:49 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Apr 6 18:34:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music engine In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604061524w6ab2b85fk38a3ea6391af1b87@mail.gmail.com> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0604061505m7f082266sd200019b229d3028@mail.gmail.com> <4435944B.1030504@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0604061524w6ab2b85fk38a3ea6391af1b87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44359789.7090608@sonaural.com> Mark Knecht wrote: > On 4/6/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > >> Mark Knecht wrote: >> >>> Hi Patrick, >>> I've been down this rabbit hole 1000 times in the last 4-5 years. >>> There is nothing in the Linux-Audio world even remotely like Live or >>> Acid Pro in terms of handling the scaling of pitch and tempo across >>> all samples. I just updated to Acid Pro 6 this week for $99 since that >>> sort of stuff I do playing with Acid Pro is nearly impossible in any >>> Linux app I've found. >>> >>> >> anyone try Freeycle? http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23494 >> >> >> > I looked at it but since it advertizes itself as a beat slicer it > didn't seem to have the multitrack capabilities that are required to > put a whole song together. > > I think th eunderlying technology could be helpful in getting to an > Acid Pro/Ableton Live/Fruity Loops type program. My sense is that this > question has been asked so many times that the real issue is finding a > developer passionate about it. There's no reason at all this couldn't > be done in Linux if someone wanted to make it happen. > true. I wonder what the legal ramifications would be by creating an "acid" like app that accepts acid loops. The question is: is there any proprietary IP in acid loops? Could probably find out by seeing if Cakewalk pays any royalties to Sony for their inclusion of acid-loop-a-bility (!) in Sonar. Frankly, I don't use Acid much, even though I own it. We used it on a recent product which fit the use of it (a driving game) but other than that type of work, I don't use it. But, I bet it would be popular among Linux audio users. And, if it could legally use acid loops, there's no shortage of assets. brad From kschutte at csail.mit.edu Thu Apr 6 19:26:58 2006 From: kschutte at csail.mit.edu (Ken Schutte) Date: Thu Apr 6 19:26:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] In search of jack-enabled visualization app Message-ID: <4435A3C2.9060209@csail.mit.edu> Hi, I'd like to find something that can take arbitrary jack inputs and do some real-time visualization. Preferably, show some spectral analysis and can display full screen. I'm thinking of trying to put something together myself, but it would be very helpful to at least find something to look at for a place to start. Does something like this exist? thanks, Ken From ix at replic.net Thu Apr 6 21:01:06 2006 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Thu Apr 6 21:01:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] In search of jack-enabled visualization app In-Reply-To: <4435A3C2.9060209@csail.mit.edu> References: <4435A3C2.9060209@csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20060407010106.GF16853@replic.net> On Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 07:26:58PM -0400, Ken Schutte wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to find something that can take arbitrary jack inputs and do > some real-time visualization. Preferably, show some spectral analysis > and can display full screen. I'm thinking of trying to put something > together myself, but it would be very helpful to at least find something > to look at for a place to start. Does something like this exist? theres JAAA/JAPA and meterbridge. and dssi_scope. thats about it for jack native. you can of course build something.. heres a tk script that displays a scrolling full-color spectrogram (a la http://www.visualizationsoftware.com/gram.html ) http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/pure-data/extensions/gui/ix/spectrum.wid?rev=1.1&view=markup i think freqtweak might also have some kind of scrolling spectrum display.. chz... > > thanks, > Ken > From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 21:20:24 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Apr 6 21:20:33 2006 Subject: bass punchiness [was Re: [linux-audio-user] I'm back with some music] In-Reply-To: <4435841F.1010300@boosthardware.com> References: <311b5a1a0603250738q4c1e3ed3v@mail.gmail.com> <311b5a1a0603260234p4031d41dg@mail.gmail.com> <311b5a1a0603260241n4ef276bv@mail.gmail.com> <4426EF26.70000@boosthardware.com> <70a871c80603261446j308b6ae0g67ef9d35758335fc@mail.gmail.com> <20060327072540.0a236010@localhost> <4432BA95.5060004@boosthardware.com> <4435841F.1010300@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: On 4/7/06, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Loki Davison wrote: > > On 4/5/06, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >> Loki Davison wrote: > >> > >>> Side chain compressors can also help a lot. Having an env on frequency > >>> is really nice too, dropping the frequency with time. > >>> http://loki.theworldsbestdomain.com/notbigfish.ogg example of quite a > >>> big punchy bass. > >>> > >>> Loki > >>> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Picking up this thread again. > >> > >> I have tried the various suggestions and it has definitely made the bass > >> more sound fuller. However, The sound being generated is a constant > >> drone or pulse. Fluctuating, rhythmic and melodic but still constant. > >> > >> Does anyone have a tip for making the bass stop at set times. > >> > >> For the purposes of this experiment I am using this chain: > >> > >> Trigger->envelope->wavetable->moog filter->oscillator->compressor-output > >> > >> Which creates a sound like this: > >> > >> http://djcj.org/audio/kotau/bassline-040506.ogg > >> > >> While this is actually quite a desirable sound for me I would also like > >> to be able to trigger when it stops, not just when it starts. > >> > >> > >> > >> Cheers. > >> > > > > Is this using om? Just copy one of the example patches to work out how > > to do env's correctly. There are a lot of good/decent bass patches in > > the om examples > > > > Loki > > > > Easier said than done. Every patch I load has missing plugins. It's > gonna take a while to get them all installed. > > However I now have om and patchage installed which is pretty useful. > > If you have a patch using only swh plugins then I could probably load it. > > Cheers. > You really need at least blop, omins and cmt. Those 3 are needed to use the smack packages, and a few more are needed for most om examples. There is a list here http://atte.dk/om-wiki/GettingPlugins urpmi/apt-get/etc should make it pretty easy to grab all the packages. Loki From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Thu Apr 6 21:48:10 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Thu Apr 6 21:48:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] In search of jack-enabled visualization app In-Reply-To: <4435A3C2.9060209@csail.mit.edu> References: <4435A3C2.9060209@csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1144374490.26814.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-06-04 at 19:26 -0400, Ken Schutte wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to find something that can take arbitrary jack inputs and do > some real-time visualization. Preferably, show some spectral analysis > and can display full screen. I'm thinking of trying to put something > together myself, but it would be very helpful to at least find something > to look at for a place to start. Does something like this exist? Fluxus, though maybe not the kind of thing you're looking for.. -DR- From dana at ubuntustudio.com Thu Apr 6 22:00:34 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Thu Apr 6 21:59:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Regarding the file sharing site In-Reply-To: <8764lmfkak.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <87d5fufrxa.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1144350125.20135.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <8764lmfkak.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <1144375234.26967.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 23:47 +0200, Esben Stien wrote: > > I don't think that everyone should be forced to give away their > > music, or provide the "source code" to their album to anyone who > > buys it. > > No one should be pressured to do something against their will;). I > just like to find some GPL content, cause I want to release my own > music under the GPL. Well, I don't think that the license of a ZynAddSubFX patch would have to be GPL just so you could release your project as GPL. I mean, there are tons of GPL apps that use SDL libs, which IIRC are LGPL. Right? > > What exactly is the source code for an album anyhow? > > All synth code, all samples, the plugin settings; every part of the > song in its rawest, most modifiable form;). For me, this suits me fine > because I want people to play with my content. I want people to make > instrumentals to my a cappellas and I want you to play with my synth > code and help me learn more and reach the goals that I aim for. Not everyone retains all such settings and raw form of their tracks. I don't, and so then, if I released my music as GPL, or happened to use a synth patch under the GPL license, then I'd be royally f***ed if someone called me on it, and asked for my "source" don't you think? > > place (..) restrictions > > It would be nice if your site could, as an option, be browsable with > only GPL content. I sure would like to find out what material has > actually been released under such a license. IF we make multiple licenses, this would be an option. I think that IF we do put multiple licenses, we'd put checkboxes so that a single file can be under various licenses. For instance, if I release a patch, I would like you to use it however you see fit. I don't see why I would NEED to put my content under the GPL just for you to take any kind of interest in it though... Because my license would allow you to do anything with it, short of requiring your project to be under the same infectious license. I still question that GPL is even an appropriate license for such files. > So, it would be nice if people could also choose GPL license when they > upload to your site. Also, please don't require registration to > download content and no ads;). I don't plan on having ads, so hopefully once the site is in full swing, someone out there will find it useful and donate a small amount of funds to help keep it running. But this isn't a request. The project has only just been started. We won't require registration just to download. That'd be silly. :) Uploading and commenting, yes. Downloading, no. Dana -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060406/2cffba40/attachment.bin From chris at mccormick.cx Thu Apr 6 22:39:11 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Thu Apr 6 22:41:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Track made with puredata (on a Linux desktop) In-Reply-To: <20060406162201.52E81F1012F@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060406162201.52E81F1012F@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060407023911.GA27050@mccormick.cx> On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 12:22:01PM -0400, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:20:15 -0500 > From: Brian Dunn > > Chris McCormick wrote: > > > > > >There is some other music made on a Linux desktop at similar URLs at > >that same host. Hi Brian, > Chris that track is genious. i haven't liked any lau stuff this much > since f4. it's got that autechre like computer-made-it-up feel. how > did you do the sequencing? also within pd? I'm starting to play with pd If it has a computer-made-it-up feel to it then that is logical because some elements of the song are randomly or algorithmically generated. With regards to sequencing; in the past I have used custom built sequencer patches (see below) but this was the first track on which I used a TR-505's midi capabilities to sequence the track. The TR-505 specifies the order in which pieces of the breakbeat and other drum sounds are played, and specifies on which beats in a bar to play melodic notes. The computer randomly picks the melodies from a set of notes which I choose that 'go together'. All of the effects are controlled using a u33 midi controller, and a small midi controller looping patch is used to make sure i don't have to move all the knobs all of the time - they move themselves in a repeating fashion if i turn the knob to 127. To make beats more interesting I often employ an algorithm that randomly shuffles back and forwards the position that a loop is playing at, at the end of a bar or set of bars. In this case I assigned that shuffler to a knob on the uc33 so I had control over when the beat went wobbly. > myself and this track has really got me inspired to dig on in. could > you maybe share some of the patches you used? For sure. I am working on a new modular synthesis system which is very specific to my midi setup (uc33 and TR-505) but I haven't put this in CVS yet. However, the building blocks and effects from which much of my music is created can be found in the cvs repository here: http://mccormick.cx/viewcvs/s-abstractions/ There is currently no license specified on these patches, but you can assume that they are public domain. I'll probably stick an LGPL license or similar in there shortly. If you want to write stuff using Pd without too much hassle, probably a good place to look is Frank's collection of RRADical abstractions, which are of a much higher quality than mine, though I think they often have dependencies outside of Miller's puredata: http://footils.org/cms/show/1 If you look up Han's Extended Installer then that should satisfy any dependencies of the RRADical abstractions. > once again, thanks for sharing such an awesome work. Thank you very much for your interest and your compliments! An inflated ego is a great inspiration to write more music. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From chris at mccormick.cx Thu Apr 6 23:21:43 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Thu Apr 6 23:23:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Track made with puredata (on a Linux desktop) In-Reply-To: <20060406210927.4DBE6F1F639@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060406210927.4DBE6F1F639@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060407032143.GC27050@mccormick.cx> On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 05:09:27PM -0400, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:07:39 +0200 > From: Wolfgang Woehl > > Chris McCormick : > > >h_and_rescue.mp3> > > a master at that. What will you do now? Optimise, explore, iterate. Thank you very much for listening! Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From daneasley at gmail.com Fri Apr 7 00:16:31 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Fri Apr 7 00:16:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tascam US122 MIDI Troubles Message-ID: I've got a Tascam US122 that has worked fairly well out of the box with a dell inspiron laptop running FC3/CCRMA. MIDI did work but now doesn't. It shows up in QJackCtl's window, but no MIDI signals are passed through; even more telling, the MIDI IN LED on the unit doesn't light. I've tested the controller with a BCR2000 and it works fine; have also tried another controller with the Tascam. Again, the ports are apparently recognized by ALSA - in addition, audio works fine. I'm guessing it's a hardware failure of the Tascam, and I'll need to replace the unit, but I wanted to ask if you all can think of anything else linux-related I'm not thinking of. I don't think I've done any recent upgrades - if so, I did about a month ago. I don't use MIDI with the machine much, but had been planning to in the future. Thanks! -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From chris at mccormick.cx Fri Apr 7 00:28:05 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Fri Apr 7 00:36:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] magic mastering tips needed Message-ID: <20060407042805.GH27050@mccormick.cx> Atte, I really like this track. Some have complained about the tuning of instruments, but to my ears this just sounds authentic and adds character. I think it's perfect as is. Where can I get some more? Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From sub_acoustic at yahoo.co.nz Fri Apr 7 00:52:19 2006 From: sub_acoustic at yahoo.co.nz (Hamish Low) Date: Fri Apr 7 02:06:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Track made with puredata (on a Linux desktop) Message-ID: <4435F003.5030307@yahoo.co.nz> Damn, nice track, inspiring i am almost (after months of research and soundcard incompatibility) ready to make some sound with Linux. you have shown me the future.... peace hamish Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Apr 7 03:31:03 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Apr 7 03:32:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] magic mastering tips needed In-Reply-To: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060407073102.GB21526@phlunky.Belkin> On Wed, 05 Apr, 2006 at 03:42PM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen spake thus: > Hi > > I have the following track: > > http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg Nice! > It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording > quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus > would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what > program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved > file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering > along the way. > > A few notes: > > A valid question would be "but how do you want it to sound?". Well, good > :-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and > more presence. > > Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be > linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-) > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From ivalladolidt at terra.es Fri Apr 7 03:52:30 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Fri Apr 7 03:53:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Regarding the file sharing site In-Reply-To: <87vetmconl.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <87d5fufrxa.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1144350125.20135.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <8764lmfkak.fsf@esben-stien.name> <20060406211349.17458cf0@localhost> <87vetmconl.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <20060407075230.GA1632@localhost.localdomain> Esben Stien escribe: > Folderol writes: > > > It seems to me the GPL is wholly inappropriate. > > GPL is designed for functional works, but I also see music and music > creation as functional, not just as expressive artistic works. > > > What is wrong with the Creative Commons 2.5 Licence? > > It's not exactly clear what a CC license is. Saying just Creative > Commons is not enough. It might be non commercial and it might be non > derivative. > > When you use the GPL for your music, you have to provide every element > of the work available. This is not the case with any of the CC > licenses, and therefor, not sufficient for how I want to interact with > music that I like. I think it's important for anybody that considers himself an "artist" to somewhat control what others make to their "art". I use to share my photos as Attribution but if I consider any of them perfect enough I will for sure share it as also NoDerivs or Sampling. I think this is what makes CC great, such freedom. We shall not forget that anything not explicitly copylefted is copyrighted. In Spain, if I make music not under CC, SGAE will try to make money from every time it sounds and sure I won't see an euro as I am not affiliated. > > Truly free music lets me play with music not possible in any other > way. > Of course even given I'm a CC advocate I would never try stopping you from sharing your contents as GPL! Cordially, Ismael -- Any med for your girl to be happy! http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From fbar at footils.org Fri Apr 7 04:05:43 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Fri Apr 7 04:06:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Track made with puredata (on a Linux desktop) In-Reply-To: <20060407023911.GA27050@mccormick.cx> References: <20060406162201.52E81F1012F@music.columbia.edu> <20060407023911.GA27050@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <20060407080543.GB4573@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote: > If you want to write stuff using Pd without too much hassle, probably > a good place to look is Frank's collection of RRADical abstractions, > which are of a much higher quality than mine, though I think they often > have dependencies outside of Miller's puredata: > > http://footils.org/cms/show/1 > > If you look up Han's Extended Installer then that should satisfy any > dependencies of the RRADical abstractions. It almost fills all dependencies, but a crucial one is still missing. However once this hole is filled, RRADical will be a part of pd-extended, so it'll be a single download. > Thank you very much for your interest and your compliments! An inflated > ego is a great inspiration to write more music. - I'm just trying to inflate it a bit more. wonderful track! Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Apr 7 04:16:39 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri Apr 7 04:17:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] magic mastering tips needed In-Reply-To: <20060407042805.GH27050@mccormick.cx> References: <20060407042805.GH27050@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <44361FE7.30309@gmail.com> Chris McCormick wrote: > I really like this track. Thanks! > Where can I get some more? http://anagrammer.dk -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From dsdhpnw02 at sneakemail.com Fri Apr 7 05:07:39 2006 From: dsdhpnw02 at sneakemail.com (Chuck Martin) Date: Fri Apr 7 05:10:27 2006 Subject: Replying and archiving (was Re: [linux-audio-user] linuxsamplerdistortion?) In-Reply-To: References: <20060405234444.EB7DAEEE640@music.columbia.edu> <1144315433.11096.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <21900-33691@sneakemail.com> On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 01:51:56PM +0200, Peder Hedlund peder@musikhuset.org wrote: > Every mail has a message ID and when a reply is issued "In-Reply-To:" > and "References:" flags with that ID is added to the header of the mail. > > I don't think you can (easily) add that manually to a copy-n-paste mail. It depends on your mail client. I could easily add those headers in mutt. The question is are those message ID's included in the digest version? I haven't seen the digest version of the list, but if the message ID's of the individual messages aren't included, you can't very well add something you don't have available to you. Chuck From julian at cipht.net Fri Apr 7 05:18:59 2006 From: julian at cipht.net (Julian Squires) Date: Fri Apr 7 05:19:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tascam US122 MIDI Troubles In-Reply-To: (Dan Easley's message of "Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:16:31 -0400") References: Message-ID: <87fykpspz0.fsf@cipht.net> "Dan Easley" writes: > MIDI did work but now doesn't. It shows up in QJackCtl's window, but > no MIDI signals are passed through; even more telling, the MIDI IN LED > on the unit doesn't light. I've tested the controller with a BCR2000 > and it works fine; have also tried another controller with the Tascam. > Again, the ports are apparently recognized by ALSA - in addition, > audio works fine. I'm guessing it's a hardware failure of the Tascam, > and I'll need to replace the unit, but I wanted to ask if you all can > think of anything else linux-related I'm not thinking of. I use a Tascam US-122 on various Linux/PPC machines, and I've had this happen before. I wish I could say exactly what it is, but I'm pretty sure it's a software misconfiguration. I think each time, it must have been caused by upgrades I did, but I never paid sufficiently close attention, alas. Check whether you have the usb-midi kernel module loaded (in addition to all the usx2y stuff), et cetera. Hope this helps. -- Julian Squires -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060407/b257cffb/attachment.bin From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Fri Apr 7 07:56:31 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Fri Apr 7 07:57:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] In search of jack-enabled visualization app In-Reply-To: <1144374490.26814.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4435A3C2.9060209@csail.mit.edu> <1144374490.26814.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4436536F.5050605@boosthardware.com> Dave Robillard wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-04 at 19:26 -0400, Ken Schutte wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'd like to find something that can take arbitrary jack inputs and do >> some real-time visualization. Preferably, show some spectral analysis >> and can display full screen. I'm thinking of trying to put something >> together myself, but it would be very helpful to at least find something >> to look at for a place to start. Does something like this exist? > > Fluxus, though maybe not the kind of thing you're looking for.. > > -DR- > > Try GEM http://puredata.org/Members/zmoelnig/GemFAQ/WhatIsGEM/view?searchterm=gem -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/ - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== Apparently upon the beginning of the barrage, the donkey broke discipline and panicked, toppling the cart. At that point, the rockets disconnected from the timer, leaving them strewn around the street. Tethered to the now toppled cart, the donkey was unable to escape before the arrival of U.S. troops. United Press International Rockets on donkeys hit major Baghdad sites By P. MITCHELL PROTHERO Published 11/21/2003 11:13 AM From rncbc at rncbc.org Fri Apr 7 08:36:49 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Fri Apr 7 08:37:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tascam US122 MIDI Troubles In-Reply-To: <87fykpspz0.fsf@cipht.net> References: <87fykpspz0.fsf@cipht.net> Message-ID: <44365CE1.4020202@rncbc.org> Julian Squires wrote: > "Dan Easley" writes: >> MIDI did work but now doesn't. It shows up in QJackCtl's window, but >> no MIDI signals are passed through; even more telling, the MIDI IN LED >> on the unit doesn't light. I've tested the controller with a BCR2000 >> and it works fine; have also tried another controller with the Tascam. >> Again, the ports are apparently recognized by ALSA - in addition, >> audio works fine. I'm guessing it's a hardware failure of the Tascam, >> and I'll need to replace the unit, but I wanted to ask if you all can >> think of anything else linux-related I'm not thinking of. > > I use a Tascam US-122 on various Linux/PPC machines, and I've had this > happen before. I wish I could say exactly what it is, but I'm pretty > sure it's a software misconfiguration. I think each time, it must have > been caused by upgrades I did, but I never paid sufficiently close > attention, alas. Check whether you have the usb-midi kernel module > loaded (in addition to all the usx2y stuff), et cetera. > > Hope this helps. > This seems to be a known issue on alsa-driver, that crept around version 1.0.9. It was fixed since 1.0.9b. Check it out. Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From lau at ballen.fastmail.fm Fri Apr 7 09:59:10 2006 From: lau at ballen.fastmail.fm (Bill Allen) Date: Fri Apr 7 09:59:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Trouble with 2.15.19/20 kernel Message-ID: <1144418350.8906.258561653@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi, On my laptop, I'm running ubuntu dapper. Using the 2.15.18 kernel, all my audio applications work great OOTB. Very few xruns. With the latest two kernels (2.15.19 and 2.15.20), when I start jack using qjackctl, it immediately starts reporting xruns at the rate of about 10 per second - and this is with no applications running at all. I'm not sure about how to go about debugging this. Any ideas? Regards, Bill From daneasley at gmail.com Fri Apr 7 10:01:15 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Fri Apr 7 10:01:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tascam US122 MIDI Troubles In-Reply-To: <44365CE1.4020202@rncbc.org> References: <87fykpspz0.fsf@cipht.net> <44365CE1.4020202@rncbc.org> Message-ID: Ah, fantastic. Thanks, guys - you've made my morning! On 4/7/06, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > Julian Squires wrote: > > "Dan Easley" writes: > >> MIDI did work but now doesn't. It shows up in QJackCtl's window, but > >> no MIDI signals are passed through; even more telling, the MIDI IN LED > >> on the unit doesn't light. I've tested the controller with a BCR2000 > >> and it works fine; have also tried another controller with the Tascam. > >> Again, the ports are apparently recognized by ALSA - in addition, > >> audio works fine. I'm guessing it's a hardware failure of the Tascam, > >> and I'll need to replace the unit, but I wanted to ask if you all can > >> think of anything else linux-related I'm not thinking of. > > > > I use a Tascam US-122 on various Linux/PPC machines, and I've had this > > happen before. I wish I could say exactly what it is, but I'm pretty > > sure it's a software misconfiguration. I think each time, it must have > > been caused by upgrades I did, but I never paid sufficiently close > > attention, alas. Check whether you have the usb-midi kernel module > > loaded (in addition to all the usx2y stuff), et cetera. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > This seems to be a known issue on alsa-driver, that crept around version > 1.0.9. It was fixed since 1.0.9b. Check it out. > > Cheers. > -- > rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela > rncbc@rncbc.org > -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Apr 7 11:21:14 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Apr 7 11:21:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Trouble with 2.15.19/20 kernel In-Reply-To: <1144418350.8906.258561653@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1144418350.8906.258561653@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1144423275.22490.10.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 09:59 -0400, Bill Allen wrote: > On my laptop, I'm running ubuntu dapper. Using the 2.15.18 kernel, all > my audio applications work great OOTB. Very few xruns. With the latest > two kernels (2.15.19 and 2.15.20), Those are not kernel version numbers. I think you mean 2.6.something... Lee From kouhia at nic.funet.fi Fri Apr 7 11:35:12 2006 From: kouhia at nic.funet.fi (Juhana Sadeharju) Date: Fri Apr 7 11:36:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: regarding the 2nd Book Of Linux Music & Sound Message-ID: >From: Dave Phillips > >wasn't the true reward anyway, so perhaps there's a way to turn it into >a community-based work. Making it freely available would be a good idea. Something which can be modified later when all software evolves. More so if it is only publisher getting all the money. With consequence that the book is not read by people who we wish to read it. When a book is freely available, people may browse it just because they are curious. Are you able to place the text available with a free license? If we have to start from the scratch, then that should not be a problem. Juhana -- http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-graphics-dev for developers of open source graphics software From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Apr 7 12:00:23 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri Apr 7 12:00:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Trouble with 2.15.19/20 kernel In-Reply-To: <1144418350.8906.258561653@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1144418350.8906.258561653@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20060407180023.3de91a7c@mango.fruits> On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:59:10 -0400 "Bill Allen" wrote: > Hi, > On my laptop, I'm running ubuntu dapper. Using the 2.15.18 kernel, all my audio applications work great OOTB. Very few xruns. With the latest two kernels (2.15.19 and 2.15.20), when I start jack using qjackctl, it immediately starts reporting xruns at the rate of about 10 per second - and this is with no applications running at all. I'm not sure about how to go about debugging this. Maybe you did use the realtime lsm and it misses for the new kernels. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From jack.oquin at gmail.com Fri Apr 7 13:15:54 2006 From: jack.oquin at gmail.com (Jack O'Quin) Date: Fri Apr 7 13:15:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Trouble with 2.15.19/20 kernel In-Reply-To: <1144423275.22490.10.camel@mindpipe> References: <1144418350.8906.258561653@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1144423275.22490.10.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 4/7/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 09:59 -0400, Bill Allen wrote: > > On my laptop, I'm running ubuntu dapper. Using the 2.15.18 kernel, all > > my audio applications work great OOTB. Very few xruns. With the latest > > two kernels (2.15.19 and 2.15.20), > > Those are not kernel version numbers. > > I think you mean 2.6.something... Just installed Ubuntu Dapper, myself. I think he means 2.6.15-18, ... 2.6.15-20. Those are different package versions of the same kernel. -- joq From perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com Fri Apr 7 14:12:24 2006 From: perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com (perlanegra proyect) Date: Fri Apr 7 14:12:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] NEW MUZIK RELEASED / about LMMS Message-ID: <311b5a1a0604071112k125c539cl8c0df4f4e20f51f4@mail.gmail.com> Hey !! another post here... This time I've been investigating on the hip hop production and on related software ( free and commercial software ), and I've done a pair of things with some very famous and... ehem !!!! ... not so legal software and I've done a pair of hip hop productions 4 turntablists. The themes are released here: http://www.archive.org/details/Riding_the_Sunrise_Proyect_by_PerlssDj I hope u like it... It's not made with free software, but it's done with free samples, so u can check it. My investigations on the linux sound are not so fast, sorry... I'm a linux user with not many experience, but I think that can change... and another thing... I'd like to know if anybody can tell me if I can find a Debian repository with the LMMS ( Linux Multimedia Studio ) packages because it's terrible try to install all the sources manually ( it's very a bored work 4 me ), if somebody can help me, please do it.. thanks B happy... and remember that any kind of comment is good.. -- ... visit always http://perlssdj.blogspot.com 4 cool stuff !!... From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Fri Apr 7 15:11:44 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Fri Apr 7 15:12:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Trouble with 2.15.19/20 kernel In-Reply-To: <1144418350.8906.258561653@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1144418350.8906.258561653@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1144437104.30220.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-07-04 at 09:59 -0400, Bill Allen wrote: > Hi, > On my laptop, I'm running ubuntu dapper. Using the 2.15.18 kernel, all my audio applications work great OOTB. Very few xruns. With the latest two kernels (2.15.19 and 2.15.20), when I start jack using qjackctl, it immediately starts reporting xruns at the rate of about 10 per second - and this is with no applications running at all. I'm not sure about how to go about debugging this. Can you send me these kernel sources from the future? Might as well save the kernel devs back here in 2005 the work of having to write it all.. uh, again? :) -DR- From brad at sonaural.com Fri Apr 7 15:15:42 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Fri Apr 7 15:15:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] snd and AC3 Message-ID: <4436BA5E.4020102@sonaural.com> Is there a way that I can play back AC3 files with snd? Or with any audio editor? From matt at tinysongs.com Fri Apr 7 12:12:47 2006 From: matt at tinysongs.com (Matthew Polashek) Date: Fri Apr 7 15:21:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux distro to run audio on PPC Message-ID: <20060407192058.89F5DF4F058@music.columbia.edu> Hi! I'm looking for suggestions and comments on running Linux on PPC with the intention of making an audio box. I'm intersted in suggestions for distros and kernels, etc. I've got a Powerbook G4 17 that I'm dual booting with OSX and Yellowdog, but I'm looking for something better. Thanks! Matt Matthew Polashek matt@tinysongs.com www.tinysongs.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Apr 7 15:22:05 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Apr 7 15:22:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Trouble with 2.15.19/20 kernel In-Reply-To: <1144418350.8906.258561653@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1144418350.8906.258561653@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1144437726.22490.77.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 09:59 -0400, Bill Allen wrote: > Hi, > On my laptop, I'm running ubuntu dapper. Using the 2.15.18 kernel, all my audio applications work great OOTB. Very few xruns. With the latest two kernels (2.15.19 and 2.15.20), when I start jack using qjackctl, it immediately starts reporting xruns at the rate of about 10 per second - and this is with no applications running at all. I'm not sure about how to go about debugging this. > > Any ideas? It's possible that they used to use realtime-lsm and recently switched to the rlimit approach (although, shouldn't JACK bomb out if started with -R and realtime scheduling is unavailable, rather than failing silently?). Try adding this to the end of /etc/security/limits.conf: * rtprio hard 99 * nice hard -20 Then reboot and try it again. If it still fails please post the JACK output Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Apr 7 15:23:02 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Apr 7 15:23:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] snd and AC3 In-Reply-To: <4436BA5E.4020102@sonaural.com> References: <4436BA5E.4020102@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1144437783.22490.79.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 12:15 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > Is there a way that I can play back AC3 files with snd? Or with any > audio editor? > By play back do you mean SPDIF passthrough to a receiver? Or do you want them decoded to 6 channel .wavs? Lee From fbar at footils.org Fri Apr 7 15:26:46 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Fri Apr 7 15:26:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Verrrrry slow network using 2.6.16-rt Message-ID: <20060407192646.GB9091@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, (this is a repost without the attached and rejected configs, sorry for dupes) I'm currently testing Ingo Molnar's RT patches and I see strange things happen to my network, when running a patched kernel. I use the patch-2.6.16-rt12 currently (just saw, that patch-2.6.16-rt13 is out as well, but I cannot rebuilt the next days). The symptoms are very slow connections through a pppoe network connection. Logged in with ssh remotely sometimes stalls for dozens of seconds, then it comes back for some seconds, then it stalls again and no keyboard input is possible. Other network stuff also is very slow, for example downloading the normally *very* fast Ubuntu-bittorrents takes ages and I don't get the good download rates I'm used to get from these fast torrents. Booting a vanilla 2.6.16 kernel gives the good network connection I'm used to. I don't see anything suspicious in log files. Playing network sessions with remote musicians is impossible with the rt-patches currently for me, so I'd like to fix this somehow. Did someone else see similar stuff happen with Ingo's patches or some of them? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Apr 7 15:36:14 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Apr 7 15:36:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Verrrrry slow network using 2.6.16-rt In-Reply-To: <20060407192646.GB9091@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060407192646.GB9091@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1144438575.22490.87.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 21:26 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > > (this is a repost without the attached and rejected configs, sorry for > dupes) > > I'm currently testing Ingo Molnar's RT patches and I see strange > things happen to my network, when running a patched kernel. I use the > patch-2.6.16-rt12 currently (just saw, that patch-2.6.16-rt13 is out > as well, but I cannot rebuilt the next days). > > The symptoms are very slow connections through a pppoe network > connection. Logged in with ssh remotely sometimes stalls for dozens of > seconds, then it comes back for some seconds, then it stalls again and > no keyboard input is possible. It's likely that this was fixed in -rt13 - the -rt patch is still quite unstable... Lee From brad at sonaural.com Fri Apr 7 16:03:38 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Fri Apr 7 16:04:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [CM] snd and AC3 In-Reply-To: <20060407193730.M91828@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> References: <4436BA5E.4020102@sonaural.com> <20060407193730.M91828@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> Message-ID: <4436C59A.3080306@sonaural.com> Bill Schottstaedt wrote: > AC3... -- is that a Mac compression? I vaguely remember > looking at decoders -- AC something or maybe APE?; I didn't find one that > was completely GPL-style freeware -- my recollection is that they were > making noises about royalties or something. > > If there's a truly unencumbered reader, I can easily add it to Snd (but there's > nothing built-in now). > Hi Bill, AC3, as in Digital Dolby: used in DVDs and ATSC. Maybe your thinking of AAC? From brad at sonaural.com Fri Apr 7 16:07:31 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Fri Apr 7 16:07:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] snd and AC3 In-Reply-To: <1144437783.22490.79.camel@mindpipe> References: <4436BA5E.4020102@sonaural.com> <1144437783.22490.79.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4436C683.5090904@sonaural.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 12:15 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > >> Is there a way that I can play back AC3 files with snd? Or with any >> audio editor? > By play back do you mean SPDIF passthrough to a receiver? Or do you > want them decoded to 6 channel .wavs? > Hi Lee, Ha, sorry I wasn't clear. I want to decode an AC3 file and listen to it. Much like this does for winamp or windows media: http://ac3filter.sourceforge.net/ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Apr 7 16:14:59 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Apr 7 16:15:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] snd and AC3 In-Reply-To: <4436C683.5090904@sonaural.com> References: <4436BA5E.4020102@sonaural.com> <1144437783.22490.79.camel@mindpipe> <4436C683.5090904@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1144440900.22490.100.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 13:07 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 12:15 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > > > >> Is there a way that I can play back AC3 files with snd? Or with any > >> audio editor? > > By play back do you mean SPDIF passthrough to a receiver? Or do you > > want them decoded to 6 channel .wavs? > > > Hi Lee, > Ha, sorry I wasn't clear. > I want to decode an AC3 file and listen to it. Much like this does for > winamp or windows media: > http://ac3filter.sourceforge.net/ > How about ac3dec from alsa-tools? Lee From brad at sonaural.com Fri Apr 7 16:19:30 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Fri Apr 7 16:19:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] snd and AC3 In-Reply-To: <1144440900.22490.100.camel@mindpipe> References: <4436BA5E.4020102@sonaural.com> <1144437783.22490.79.camel@mindpipe> <4436C683.5090904@sonaural.com> <1144440900.22490.100.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4436C952.9050509@sonaural.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 13:07 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > >> Lee Revell wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 12:15 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Is there a way that I can play back AC3 files with snd? Or with any >>>> audio editor? >>>> >>> By play back do you mean SPDIF passthrough to a receiver? Or do you >>> want them decoded to 6 channel .wavs? >>> >>> >> Hi Lee, >> Ha, sorry I wasn't clear. >> I want to decode an AC3 file and listen to it. Much like this does for >> winamp or windows media: >> http://ac3filter.sourceforge.net/ >> >> > > How about ac3dec from alsa-tools? > does that interface with snd (or another editor) for automatic decode? For that matter does liba52 interface with snd? Mplayer uses liba52 (http://liba52.sourceforge.net/), but I'm looking for more friendly audio editing (yeah, I'll be editing the resultant PCM and then need to reencode, but that's ok.) From brad at sonaural.com Fri Apr 7 16:22:00 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Fri Apr 7 16:22:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] snd and AC3 In-Reply-To: <4436C952.9050509@sonaural.com> References: <4436BA5E.4020102@sonaural.com> <1144437783.22490.79.camel@mindpipe> <4436C683.5090904@sonaural.com> <1144440900.22490.100.camel@mindpipe> <4436C952.9050509@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <4436C9E8.5090509@sonaural.com> Brad Fuller wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > >> On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 13:07 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: >> >> >>> Lee Revell wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 12:15 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Is there a way that I can play back AC3 files with snd? Or with any >>>>> audio editor? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> By play back do you mean SPDIF passthrough to a receiver? Or do you >>>> want them decoded to 6 channel .wavs? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Hi Lee, >>> Ha, sorry I wasn't clear. >>> I want to decode an AC3 file and listen to it. Much like this does for >>> winamp or windows media: >>> http://ac3filter.sourceforge.net/ >>> >>> >>> >> How about ac3dec from alsa-tools? >> >> > does that interface with snd (or another editor) for automatic decode? > For that matter does liba52 interface with snd? > > Mplayer uses liba52 (http://liba52.sourceforge.net/), but I'm looking > for more friendly audio editing (yeah, I'll be editing the resultant PCM > and then need to reencode, but that's ok.) > I see that amarok plays back AC3 fine. From lau at ballen.fastmail.fm Fri Apr 7 16:58:29 2006 From: lau at ballen.fastmail.fm (Bill Allen) Date: Fri Apr 7 16:58:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Trouble with 2.15.19/20 kernel In-Reply-To: <1144437726.22490.77.camel@mindpipe> References: <1144418350.8906.258561653@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1144437726.22490.77.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1144443509.10317.258595471@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:22:05 -0400, "Lee Revell" said: > On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 09:59 -0400, Bill Allen wrote: > > Hi, > > On my laptop, I'm running ubuntu dapper. Using the 2.15.18 kernel, all my audio applications work great OOTB. Very few xruns. With the latest two kernels (2.15.19 and 2.15.20), when I start jack using qjackctl, it immediately starts reporting xruns at the rate of about 10 per second - and this is with no applications running at all. I'm not sure about how to go about debugging this. > > > > Any ideas? > > It's possible that they used to use realtime-lsm and recently switched > to the rlimit approach (although, shouldn't JACK bomb out if started > with -R and realtime scheduling is unavailable, rather than failing > silently?). > > Try adding this to the end of /etc/security/limits.conf: > > * rtprio hard 99 > * nice hard -20 > > Then reboot and try it again. > > If it still fails please post the JACK output > > Lee > I'll try to do as you suggest. As I understand it (which could be not at all) Dapper doesn't support realtime-lsm in any of those kernel builds. It uses Rlimits-Aware PAM. I've added myself to the audio group and as I mentioned, jack works great in 2.6.15-18, but in *-19, and *-20 it's miserable. Bill From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Apr 7 17:15:56 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Apr 7 17:16:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Trouble with 2.15.19/20 kernel In-Reply-To: <1144443509.10317.258595471@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1144418350.8906.258561653@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1144437726.22490.77.camel@mindpipe> <1144443509.10317.258595471@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1144444557.22490.107.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 16:58 -0400, Bill Allen wrote: > > I'll try to do as you suggest. As I understand it (which could be not > at all) Dapper doesn't support realtime-lsm in any of those kernel > builds. It uses Rlimits-Aware PAM. I've added myself to the audio > group and as I mentioned, jack works great in 2.6.15-18, but in *-19, > and *-20 it's miserable. OK that's a kernel bug of some kind - can you please report it to Ubuntu? There should not be too many changes between those point releases. Lee From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Apr 7 17:55:01 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Apr 7 17:52:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Avenger Update Message-ID: <20060407225501.5c0ea15c@localhost> This composition is progressing well. It still isn't complete (no drum track) but all the instruments are more or less sorted now. Melody and chord sequences cleaned up and volumes balanced pretty much. I think I can ease off on the 3am stuff now! The instruments in the Waken section follow better, especially parts 3 and 5. The main instrument for the Avenger is fuller sounding and the incidentals sound clearer. The tailoff has a more appropriate instrument altogether. This fun :) I've just uploaded the latest version. http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org P.S. I recommend 'loud'! -- F From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Apr 7 18:02:03 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Apr 7 18:00:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] magic mastering tips needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060407230203.48213ee5@localhost> > From: Atte Andr? Jensen > Subject: [linux-audio-user] magic mastering tips needed > To: A list for linux audio users > Message-ID: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi > > I have the following track: > > http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg > > It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording > quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus > would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what > program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved > file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering > along the way. Very nice. I like it as it is. It reminds me of a local pub that used to have a Jazz evening every Thursday in the late 60s. I had to be *really* ill to miss a night! -- F From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Apr 7 18:38:05 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Apr 7 18:38:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Avenger Update In-Reply-To: <20060407225501.5c0ea15c@localhost> References: <20060407225501.5c0ea15c@localhost> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604071538k5c2494bfhbb8961cb32124126@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I don't know if this is by design but I'm unable to download the OGG file due to the way the link is constructed it appears. It also seems that on my AMD64 Gentoo machine that mplayer doesn't like something in the file as I get about 1/4 second of sound and then it just stops. Firefox was hung and there were mplayer processes that had to be killed. This set of problems is consistent for all the links on the page I tried. The download problem also occurred on my Mac Mini running OSX 10.4.6. Cheers, Mark On 4/7/06, Folderol wrote: > > This composition is progressing well. It still isn't complete (no drum > track) but all the instruments are more or less sorted now. Melody and > chord sequences cleaned up and volumes balanced pretty much. I think I > can ease off on the 3am stuff now! > > The instruments in the Waken section follow better, especially parts 3 > and 5. The main instrument for the Avenger is fuller sounding and the > incidentals sound clearer. The tailoff has a more appropriate > instrument altogether. > > This fun :) > > I've just uploaded the latest version. > > http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org > > > P.S. > I recommend 'loud'! > > -- > F > From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Apr 7 18:54:50 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Apr 7 18:53:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Avenger Update In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604071538k5c2494bfhbb8961cb32124126@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060407225501.5c0ea15c@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0604071538k5c2494bfhbb8961cb32124126@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060407235450.060c7d08@localhost> On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:38:05 -0700 "Mark Knecht" wrote: > Hi, > I don't know if this is by design but I'm unable to download the > OGG file due to the way the link is constructed it appears. It also > seems that on my AMD64 Gentoo machine that mplayer doesn't like > something in the file as I get about 1/4 second of sound and then it > just stops. Firefox was hung and there were mplayer processes that had > to be killed. > > This set of problems is consistent for all the links on the page I > tried. The download problem also occurred on my Mac Mini running OSX > 10.4.6. > > Cheers, > Mark I certainly don't want to stop *anybody* getting the files. I don't understand what is going wrong. I have just rechecked it myself and it seems to be working perfectly for me. (I'm on dialup but the 1st 2MB seems sound fine) but then I am obviously working from the same ISP so I don't know if there is some server-side problem that is corrupting links/data. I am using Firefox 1.5 on Mandrake 10.1. The files were coverted to ogg from wav by Audacity. -- F From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Apr 7 19:02:39 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Apr 7 19:02:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Avenger Update In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604071538k5c2494bfhbb8961cb32124126@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060407225501.5c0ea15c@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0604071538k5c2494bfhbb8961cb32124126@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604080102.39810.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Saturday 08 April 2006 00:38, Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi, > I don't know if this is by design but I'm unable to download the > OGG file due to the way the link is constructed it appears. It also > seems that on my AMD64 Gentoo machine that mplayer doesn't like > something in the file as I get about 1/4 second of sound and then it > just stops. Firefox was hung and there were mplayer processes that had > to be killed. > > This set of problems is consistent for all the links on the page I > tried. The download problem also occurred on my Mac Mini running OSX > 10.4.6. > > Cheers, > Mark Hi Mark. I've just downloaded it with Konqueror using Kget, and it's played back just fine with Mhwaveedit. I'm also listening to Mozart symphonies that someone else posted, and very nice too, but they are too big for Mhwaveedit. I'm having to use Xmms on FC2. Nigel. > > On 4/7/06, Folderol wrote: > > This composition is progressing well. It still isn't complete (no drum > > track) but all the instruments are more or less sorted now. Melody and > > chord sequences cleaned up and volumes balanced pretty much. I think I > > can ease off on the 3am stuff now! > > > > The instruments in the Waken section follow better, especially parts 3 > > and 5. The main instrument for the Avenger is fuller sounding and the > > incidentals sound clearer. The tailoff has a more appropriate > > instrument altogether. > > > > This fun :) > > > > I've just uploaded the latest version. > > > > http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org > > > > > > P.S. > > I recommend 'loud'! > > > > -- > > F From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Apr 7 19:14:11 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Apr 7 19:13:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Avenger Update In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604071538k5c2494bfhbb8961cb32124126@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060407225501.5c0ea15c@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0604071538k5c2494bfhbb8961cb32124126@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060407231411.GA30097@phlunky.Belkin> On Fri, 07 Apr, 2006 at 03:38PM -0700, Mark Knecht spake thus: > Hi, > I don't know if this is by design but I'm unable to download the > OGG file due to the way the link is constructed it appears. It also > seems that on my AMD64 Gentoo machine that mplayer doesn't like > something in the file as I get about 1/4 second of sound and then it > just stops. Firefox was hung and there were mplayer processes that had > to be killed. > > This set of problems is consistent for all the links on the page I > tried. The download problem also occurred on my Mac Mini running OSX > 10.4.6. Not much help, but just so you know: links work fine here. I'm using firefox and playing with mplayer. The files are fine and so is the server - I think your machine is having a bit of a breakdown. -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Apr 7 19:17:14 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Apr 7 19:17:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Avenger Update In-Reply-To: <20060407225501.5c0ea15c@localhost> References: <20060407225501.5c0ea15c@localhost> Message-ID: <20060407231714.GB30097@phlunky.Belkin> On Fri, 07 Apr, 2006 at 10:55PM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > > This composition is progressing well. It still isn't complete (no drum > track) but all the instruments are more or less sorted now. Melody and > chord sequences cleaned up and volumes balanced pretty much. I think I > can ease off on the 3am stuff now! > > The instruments in the Waken section follow better, especially parts 3 > and 5. The main instrument for the Avenger is fuller sounding and the > incidentals sound clearer. The tailoff has a more appropriate > instrument altogether. I like it! I can't wait to hear it with drums. It will be interesting to hear what you put with it. I can hear a couple of possibilities that sound obvious to me and I'm curious to see if what you come up with is anything like one of them. > This fun :) > > I've just uploaded the latest version. > > http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org > > > P.S. > I recommend 'loud'! That wasn't loud enough. I used 'louder'and then 'loudest' insread :) -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Apr 7 19:21:26 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Apr 7 19:21:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Avenger Update In-Reply-To: <20060407231411.GA30097@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060407225501.5c0ea15c@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0604071538k5c2494bfhbb8961cb32124126@mail.gmail.com> <20060407231411.GA30097@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <200604080121.26742.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Saturday 08 April 2006 01:14, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Fri, 07 Apr, 2006 at 03:38PM -0700, Mark Knecht spake thus: > > Hi, > > I don't know if this is by design but I'm unable to download the > > OGG file due to the way the link is constructed it appears. It also > > seems that on my AMD64 Gentoo machine that mplayer doesn't like > > something in the file as I get about 1/4 second of sound and then it > > just stops. Firefox was hung and there were mplayer processes that had > > to be killed. > > > > This set of problems is consistent for all the links on the page I > > tried. The download problem also occurred on my Mac Mini running OSX > > 10.4.6. > > Not much help, but just so you know: links work fine here. I'm using > firefox and playing with mplayer. > > The files are fine and so is the server - I think your machine is > having a bit of a breakdown. It's using roll your own Gentoo which is the problem. Only joking Mark. Nigel. From errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk Fri Apr 7 19:38:49 2006 From: errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk (Martin Habets) Date: Fri Apr 7 19:39:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux distro to run audio on PPC In-Reply-To: <20060407192058.89F5DF4F058@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060407192058.89F5DF4F058@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060407233848.GB26480@palantir8> Hi Matt, I don't know any distro with a good kernel for audio, so my advice is to build your own kernel. Personally I run Debian, but I liked Yellowdog too when I used that. Maybe all you need to do is build your own kernel and stay with Yellowdog. Are you seeing any specific problems? The graphics driver can cause latency problems without the right kernel configuration, or kernel patches. This used to bite me (Radeon Mobility M7). As for outboard: try to get stuff that is big-endian too. I've had to get or make patches to deal with endian-ness after getting a litte-endian Edirol UA-25. Those are not all official yet. On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 12:12:47PM +0000, Matthew Polashek wrote: > Hi! > > I'm looking for suggestions and comments on running Linux on PPC with the > intention of making an audio box. I'm intersted in suggestions for distros and > kernels, etc. I've got a Powerbook G4 17 that I'm dual booting with OSX and > Yellowdog, but I'm looking for something better. > > Thanks! > Matt -- Martin --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30 years from now GNU/Linux will be as redundant a term as MERT/UNIX is today. - Martin Habets --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ix at replic.net Fri Apr 7 20:41:33 2006 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Fri Apr 7 20:41:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux distro to run audio on PPC In-Reply-To: <20060407192058.89F5DF4F058@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060407192058.89F5DF4F058@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060408004133.GA20524@replic.net> On Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 12:12:47PM +0000, Matthew Polashek wrote: > Hi! > > I'm looking for suggestions and comments on running Linux on PPC with the > intention of making an audio box. I'm intersted in suggestions for distros and > kernels, etc. I've got a Powerbook G4 17 that I'm dual booting with OSX and > Yellowdog whats wrong with yellowdog? anyways if you want to switch to Debian or Gentoo you can do it without a reinstall (old binaries may be overwritten, but conf files will be ok). for debian use debootstrap, for gentoo just untar a portage snapshot to /usr and start emerging :) a buddy recently gave up on installing debian or gentoo and went with yellowdog, due to the finickynness of yaboot/miboot/quik/bootX and the patch partitions, miniature boot partitions etc... so a 'live upgrade' to one of the above distro is what i'd recommend.. From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Apr 7 21:24:04 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Apr 7 21:24:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Avenger Update In-Reply-To: <20060407235450.060c7d08@localhost> References: <20060407225501.5c0ea15c@localhost> <5bdc1c8b0604071538k5c2494bfhbb8961cb32124126@mail.gmail.com> <20060407235450.060c7d08@localhost> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604071824u49cc696bvbee392fb5e1a9927@mail.gmail.com> On 4/7/06, Folderol wrote: > On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:38:05 -0700 > "Mark Knecht" wrote: > > > Hi, > > I don't know if this is by design but I'm unable to download the > > OGG file due to the way the link is constructed it appears. It also > > seems that on my AMD64 Gentoo machine that mplayer doesn't like > > something in the file as I get about 1/4 second of sound and then it > > just stops. Firefox was hung and there were mplayer processes that had > > to be killed. > > > > This set of problems is consistent for all the links on the page I > > tried. The download problem also occurred on my Mac Mini running OSX > > 10.4.6. > > > > Cheers, > > Mark > > I certainly don't want to stop *anybody* getting the files. I don't > understand what is going wrong. I have just rechecked it myself and it > seems to be working perfectly for me. (I'm on dialup but the 1st 2MB > seems sound fine) but then I am obviously working from the same ISP so I > don't know if there is some server-side problem that is corrupting > links/data. > > I am using Firefox 1.5 on Mandrake 10.1. The files were coverted to ogg > from wav by Audacity. > > -- > F > OK, I'm sure it's a problem here but I haven't had much trouble with other links, and since it also happens on the Mac, maybe there's something a bit non-standard about how it's all put together. Clearly part of the problem could be trying to play something on an AMD64 machine. I'll check later on my wife's 32-bit Gentoo machine. When I copy the link itself and paste it in a terminal I see: http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org/clickcount.pl?Awakening_The_Avenger.ogg On the Mac when I tell it to save the file the link only goes as far as the '?' and quits so I think that must be part of it. I suspect I'm having similar problems on the AMD64 machine. Possibly some sort of a UTF8 problem in Gnome? Using wget and the full link including the '?' and the file name works and I'm able to download it that way. OK, having listened to it it sounds like an interesting start. Clearly it's still very early. The chord patterns are interesting. I look forward to hearing where you take it. Thanks, Mark From salvuz_78 at virgilio.it Fri Apr 7 22:09:48 2006 From: salvuz_78 at virgilio.it (Salvatore Di Pietro) Date: Fri Apr 7 22:10:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <1144293807.2866.38.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <4434784B.1000807@virgilio.it> <1144289609.2866.33.camel@mindpipe> <44347E51.4080709@virgilio.it> <1144291618.2866.35.camel@mindpipe> <44348455.5030602@virgilio.it> <1144293807.2866.38.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44371B6C.8090202@virgilio.it> Lee Revell wrote: > I would first try compiling JACK with all default settings OK, I recompiled it with : ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-stripped-jackd --disable-oss --disable-portaudio --disable-coreaudio --enable-capabilities --with-default-tmpdir=/mnt/ramfs I think those options won't interfere with the test... Or do they? What is the purpose of "--enable-timestamps" ? What difference does it make enabling them? -- salvuz POST FATA RESVRGO Linux registered user #291700 | machine #174619 get counted on ---> http://counter.li.org/ <--- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Apr 7 22:17:53 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Apr 7 22:18:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <44371B6C.8090202@virgilio.it> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <4434784B.1000807@virgilio.it> <1144289609.2866.33.camel@mindpipe> <44347E51.4080709@virgilio.it> <1144291618.2866.35.camel@mindpipe> <44348455.5030602@virgilio.it> <1144293807.2866.38.camel@mindpipe> <44371B6C.8090202@virgilio.it> Message-ID: <1144462674.22490.123.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 04:09 +0200, Salvatore Di Pietro wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > > > I would first try compiling JACK with all default settings > OK, I recompiled it with : > > ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-stripped-jackd --disable-oss > --disable-portaudio --disable-coreaudio --enable-capabilities > --with-default-tmpdir=/mnt/ramfs > > I think those options won't interfere with the test... Or do they? > What is the purpose of "--enable-timestamps" ? What difference does it > make enabling them? > "allow clients to use the JACK timestamp API" I would just leave the default settings alone unless you know what you are doing. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Apr 7 22:24:26 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Apr 7 22:24:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <44371B6C.8090202@virgilio.it> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <4434784B.1000807@virgilio.it> <1144289609.2866.33.camel@mindpipe> <44347E51.4080709@virgilio.it> <1144291618.2866.35.camel@mindpipe> <44348455.5030602@virgilio.it> <1144293807.2866.38.camel@mindpipe> <44371B6C.8090202@virgilio.it> Message-ID: <1144463067.22490.125.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 04:09 +0200, Salvatore Di Pietro wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > > > I would first try compiling JACK with all default settings > OK, I recompiled it with : > > ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-stripped-jackd --disable-oss > --disable-portaudio --disable-coreaudio --enable-capabilities > --with-default-tmpdir=/mnt/ramfs > > I think those options won't interfere with the test... Or do they? > What is the purpose of "--enable-timestamps" ? What difference does it > make enabling them? > Why are you using --enable-capabilities? Lee From salvuz_78 at virgilio.it Fri Apr 7 22:47:00 2006 From: salvuz_78 at virgilio.it (Salvatore Di Pietro) Date: Fri Apr 7 22:47:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <1144463067.22490.125.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <4434784B.1000807@virgilio.it> <1144289609.2866.33.camel@mindpipe> <44347E51.4080709@virgilio.it> <1144291618.2866.35.camel@mindpipe> <44348455.5030602@virgilio.it> <1144293807.2866.38.camel@mindpipe> <44371B6C.8090202@virgilio.it> <1144463067.22490.125.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44372424.7040005@virgilio.it> Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 04:09 +0200, Salvatore Di Pietro wrote: > >>Lee Revell wrote: >> >> >> >>>I would first try compiling JACK with all default settings >> >>OK, I recompiled it with : >> >>./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-stripped-jackd --disable-oss >>--disable-portaudio --disable-coreaudio --enable-capabilities >>--with-default-tmpdir=/mnt/ramfs >> >>I think those options won't interfere with the test... Or do they? >>What is the purpose of "--enable-timestamps" ? What difference does it >>make enabling them? >> > > > Why are you using --enable-capabilities? I didn't use it :) I made a "pasto" (eg a typo in pasting ;) ) from the old commandline I wrote down when I used it with realtime-lsm. Sorry for the noise... I am starting jackd and audio apps as root with sudo now. I should start using set_rtlimts, I know... -- salvuz POST FATA RESVRGO Linux registered user #291700 | machine #174619 get counted on ---> http://counter.li.org/ <--- From salvuz_78 at virgilio.it Fri Apr 7 23:00:05 2006 From: salvuz_78 at virgilio.it (Salvatore Di Pietro) Date: Fri Apr 7 23:00:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <1144462674.22490.123.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <4434784B.1000807@virgilio.it> <1144289609.2866.33.camel@mindpipe> <44347E51.4080709@virgilio.it> <1144291618.2866.35.camel@mindpipe> <44348455.5030602@virgilio.it> <1144293807.2866.38.camel@mindpipe> <44371B6C.8090202@virgilio.it> <1144462674.22490.123.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44372735.7060602@virgilio.it> Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 04:09 +0200, Salvatore Di Pietro wrote: > >>Lee Revell wrote: >> >> >> >>>I would first try compiling JACK with all default settings >> >>OK, I recompiled it with : >> >>./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-stripped-jackd --disable-oss >>--disable-portaudio --disable-coreaudio --enable-capabilities >>--with-default-tmpdir=/mnt/ramfs >> >>I think those options won't interfere with the test... Or do they? >>What is the purpose of "--enable-timestamps" ? What difference does it >>make enabling them? >> > > > "allow clients to use the JACK timestamp API" Yes, I knew that from ./configure --help, I was just wondering what that meant and what were its advantages... > I would just leave the default settings alone unless you know what you > are doing. I try to stay on the "unless..." part of the statement ;) ...sometimes by trial and wreckage :) -- salvuz POST FATA RESVRGO Linux registered user #291700 | machine #174619 get counted on ---> http://counter.li.org/ <--- From torbenh at gmx.de Fri Apr 7 23:07:29 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Fri Apr 7 23:11:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] netjack-0.11rc5 Message-ID: <20060408030728.GA8258@mobilat> netjack-0.11rc5 Some pieces of Code which can deliver you the full jackd experience with multiple Computers. Links JackPorts via generic IP networks. The alsa_in and alsa_out client can connect jackd to an unrelated alsa Soundcard. And their algorithm has been improved. Also downsampling and bitrate reduction is included now, to make it work on low bitrate links. Tested over the Internet some times now, with moderate success. Also compiles on OSX... with-alsa=0 -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From marco at metm.org Fri Apr 7 23:30:11 2006 From: marco at metm.org (Marco Scoffier) Date: Fri Apr 7 23:30:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Brooklyn NY: Linux Audio workshop this weekend Message-ID: <20060408033011.GF7636@ns.metm.org> Hello all sorry for the late announcement, there is a series of Linux Audio workshops starting Sat Apr. 8th. put on by the folks at http://free103point9.org The address is in Brooklyn: 7 clifford place between meserole and calyer 718.791.1966 -- Marco ----- Forwarded message from tianna kennedy ----- April 8th: nerd stuff open source audio workshop hosted by lee in the ASC studio (ie, my bedroom). Call/write for directions. This will be the first of many... April 8th: 1 p.m. – it's over What is Ubuntu? What is GNU? What is Linux? Why three words instead of one? Key differences from proprietary systems. Bennefits and Detriments. The Gnome Desktop. The Jack Audio Connection Kit. Compatible Hardware. Simple recording with Alsaplayer, Jack and QArecord. Simple recording with live input, Jack and QArecord. Online Resources. April15th: Live Internet Broadcasting. Icecast. The Broadcast Server. Darkice. The Broadcast Encoder. How will your stream be delivered to your audience? Jack Review. Basic Concepts. Stream Monitoring. Configuring Darkice for mp3, vorbis and jack. Configuring Icecast. April 22th: Post production and web publishing. Audacity. Multitrack non-linear editing. Output and archiving formats. FLAC, mp3, wav, aiff and ogg/vorbis. Web Publishing. Podcasting versus old-school download. Web hosting resources. April 29nd: Ardour. The Professional Digital Audio Workstation. Goals. Practical and Political. Session Configuration. The Edit Window. Live Multi-Track Recording. The Region Bin. Multi Track Editing. Plugins and the Mix Window. Output Formats and Bouncing to Disk. Hardware Performance Considerations. May 6th: Installing Ubuntu. Mac or PC? 32bit or 64bit? Hardware Compatibility. Compatible Audio Interfaces. Disk partitions and Dual Booting. Configuring the Package Manager. Installing Audio Applications. Migrating Legacy Application Data to Ubuntu. Getting Support and Reporting Bugs. ----- End forwarded message ----- From brinkman at math.TU-Berlin.DE Fri Apr 7 23:45:42 2006 From: brinkman at math.TU-Berlin.DE (Peter Brinkmann) Date: Fri Apr 7 23:45:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Brooklyn NY: Linux Audio workshop this weekend In-Reply-To: <20060408033011.GF7636@ns.metm.org> References: <20060408033011.GF7636@ns.metm.org> Message-ID: <20060408034542.GC18571@fuchs.math.tu-berlin.de> Marco, Sounds great! Where do I sign up? Peter On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 11:30:11PM -0400, Marco Scoffier wrote: > > Hello all sorry for the late announcement, there is a series of Linux > Audio workshops starting Sat Apr. 8th. > > put on by the folks at http://free103point9.org > The address is in Brooklyn: > > 7 clifford place > between meserole and calyer > 718.791.1966 > > -- > Marco > > ----- Forwarded message from tianna kennedy ----- > > > April 8th: > nerd stuff > open source audio workshop hosted by lee in the ASC studio (ie, my > bedroom). Call/write for directions. This will be the first of > many... > > April 8th: > 1 p.m. ??? it's over > > What is Ubuntu? What is GNU? What is Linux? Why three words instead of one? > Key differences from proprietary systems. Bennefits and Detriments. > The Gnome Desktop. > The Jack Audio Connection Kit. > Compatible Hardware. > Simple recording with Alsaplayer, Jack and QArecord. > Simple recording with live input, Jack and QArecord. > Online Resources. > > > April15th: > Live Internet Broadcasting. > Icecast. The Broadcast Server. > Darkice. The Broadcast Encoder. > How will your stream be delivered to your audience? > Jack Review. Basic Concepts. Stream Monitoring. > Configuring Darkice for mp3, vorbis and jack. > Configuring Icecast. > > April 22th: > Post production and web publishing. > Audacity. Multitrack non-linear editing. > Output and archiving formats. FLAC, mp3, wav, aiff and ogg/vorbis. > Web Publishing. Podcasting versus old-school download. > Web hosting resources. > > April 29nd: > Ardour. The Professional Digital Audio Workstation. > Goals. Practical and Political. > Session Configuration. > The Edit Window. > Live Multi-Track Recording. > The Region Bin. > Multi Track Editing. > Plugins and the Mix Window. > Output Formats and Bouncing to Disk. > Hardware Performance Considerations. > > May 6th: > Installing Ubuntu. > Mac or PC? 32bit or 64bit? > Hardware Compatibility. Compatible Audio Interfaces. > Disk partitions and Dual Booting. > Configuring the Package Manager. > Installing Audio Applications. > Migrating Legacy Application Data to Ubuntu. > Getting Support and Reporting Bugs. > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > -- From marco at metm.org Fri Apr 7 23:59:46 2006 From: marco at metm.org (Marco Scoffier) Date: Fri Apr 7 23:59:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Brooklyn NY: Linux Audio workshop this weekend In-Reply-To: <20060408034542.GC18571@fuchs.math.tu-berlin.de> References: <20060408033011.GF7636@ns.metm.org> <20060408034542.GC18571@fuchs.math.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: <20060408035946.GH7636@ns.metm.org> On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 05:45:42AM +0200, Peter Brinkmann wrote: > >Marco, >Sounds great! Where do I sign up? > Peter > Hi Peter, Just show up it's open to anyone. I can't be there tomorrow but will on one of the later dates. Have fun ! -- Marco > >On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 11:30:11PM -0400, Marco Scoffier wrote: >> >> Hello all sorry for the late announcement, there is a series of Linux >> Audio workshops starting Sat Apr. 8th. >> >> put on by the folks at http://free103point9.org >> The address is in Brooklyn: >> >> 7 clifford place >> between meserole and calyer >> 718.791.1966 >> >> -- >> Marco From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Sat Apr 8 03:27:17 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Sat Apr 8 03:27:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] netjack-0.11rc5 In-Reply-To: <20060408030728.GA8258@mobilat> References: <20060408030728.GA8258@mobilat> Message-ID: <20060408092717.45adc17d@SiRiUS.home> On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:07:29 +0200 torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > netjack-0.11rc5 > > Some pieces of Code which can deliver you the full jackd experience > with multiple Computers. > > Links JackPorts via generic IP networks. > > The alsa_in and alsa_out client can connect jackd to an unrelated > alsa Soundcard. And their algorithm has been improved. > > Also downsampling and bitrate reduction is included now, to make it > work on low bitrate links. Tested over the Internet some times now, > with moderate success. > > Also compiles on OSX... with-alsa=0 > > > -- > torben Hohn > http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language > sweet! for gentoo users: http://gimpel.ath.cx/~tom/files/portage_overlay/media-sound/netjack/netjack-0.11_rc5.ebuild cheers! tom From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Sat Apr 8 03:41:16 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Sat Apr 8 03:39:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Myspace group linuxaudio Message-ID: <4437691C.2070400@kolumbus.fi> If you have a profile in MySpace, I created quickly a group for linux audio users: http://groups.myspace.com/linuxaudio Suggestions for the group description & other stuff are welcome. my profile: http://www.myspace.com/esalinna From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sat Apr 8 06:06:00 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sat Apr 8 06:06:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music Message-ID: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/04/music.html Can you guess what it's based on? Prize for the first correct answer! James -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From tat at riseup.net Sat Apr 8 07:18:42 2006 From: tat at riseup.net (tat@riseup.net) Date: Sat Apr 8 07:19:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] SIS (SI7012) fails under jack Message-ID: <15285.tat.1144495122.squirrel@mail.riseup.net> Hello i have si7012 onboard soundcart, which runs without any problems under alsa. But doesn't work with jackd. Sofar i don't get a error from jackd when starting, the jackd runs smotly and accepts also input from application, Alsamixer shows also that master and pcm lines are up. The soundcard works with alsa but not when i use jackd so i guess the problem is related to jackd, what makes no sense to me since i think the alsa API should be totally transparent to jackd regardingless which soundcard is used. Any idea what could be my problem? version of alsa and jack (debian versions):: alsa-base: Installed: 1.0.10-3 alsa-utils: Installed: 1.0.10-1 jackd: Installed: 0.100.7-1 jack-tools: Installed: 0.0.2-4 qjackctl: Installed: 0.2.19a-1 kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386: Installed: 2.6.8-16sarge1 __ __ _/ |______ _/ |_ \ __\__ \\ __\ | | / __ \| | |__| (____ /__| \/ From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Apr 8 07:34:02 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Apr 8 07:31:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:06:00 +0100 james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/04/music.html > > Can you guess what it's based on? Prize for the first correct answer! > > James This is good. It has a familiarity but I can't think where from. A film theme perhaps? -- F From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sat Apr 8 07:34:01 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sat Apr 8 07:34:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] SIS (SI7012) fails under jack In-Reply-To: <15285.tat.1144495122.squirrel@mail.riseup.net> References: <15285.tat.1144495122.squirrel@mail.riseup.net> Message-ID: <20060408133401.553c2683@mango.fruits> On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 04:18:42 -0700 (PDT) tat@riseup.net wrote: > Any idea what could be my problem? No, as you don't tell us what's bothering you. All in your email sounds as if jack was working alright except for the "it doesn't work" part. In what way does it not work? Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From ivalladolidt at terra.es Sat Apr 8 07:59:23 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Sat Apr 8 07:56:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux distro to run audio on PPC In-Reply-To: <20060407233848.GB26480@palantir8> References: <20060407192058.89F5DF4F058@music.columbia.edu> <20060407233848.GB26480@palantir8> Message-ID: <20060408115922.GA1500125@rebeca> Martin Habets escribe: > I don't know any distro with a good kernel for audio, so my advice is > to build your own kernel. Personally I run Debian, but I liked Yellowdog > too when I used that. Debian runs lovely on an Apple Mac and if brave enough running sid you'll have decently recent enough kernels and audio apps available with no need for compiling. > Maybe all you need to do is build your own kernel and stay with Yellowdog. > Are you seeing any specific problems? As far as "any Linux is Linux" Yellowdog will be ok too. Also Ubuntu which is Debian based and there are Ubuntu gurus hanging out this mailing list. ;) > The graphics driver can cause latency problems without the right kernel > configuration, or kernel patches. This used to bite me (Radeon Mobility M7). Yes. Also it looks like regarding latency kernels for x86 are better tuned than those for ppc but this could be only a personal feeling. > > As for outboard: try to get stuff that is big-endian too. I've had to get or > make patches to deal with endian-ness after getting a litte-endian Edirol > UA-25. Those are not all official yet. !!! Cordially, Ismael -- Medicines before Valentine Day !!! http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060408/c438c98a/attachment.bin From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sat Apr 8 08:11:39 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sat Apr 8 08:11:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> Message-ID: <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> On Sat, 08 Apr, 2006 at 12:34PM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:06:00 +0100 > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/04/music.html > > > > Can you guess what it's based on? Prize for the first correct answer! > > > > James > > This is good. It has a familiarity but I can't think where from. A film > theme perhaps? Nope! It's probably been used in a film at some point. Thinking about it, probably quite a few films. Keep guessing! -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sat Apr 8 08:55:38 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Sat Apr 8 08:59:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 01:11:39PM +0100, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Sat, 08 Apr, 2006 at 12:34PM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > > On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:06:00 +0100 > > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/04/music.html > > > > > > Can you guess what it's based on? Prize for the first correct answer! > > > > > > James > > > > This is good. It has a familiarity but I can't think where from. A film > > theme perhaps? > > Nope! It's probably been used in a film at some point. Thinking > about it, probably quite a few films. > > Keep guessing! The descending bass followed by a IV-V-I is such a classic that it must have been used thousands of times. It's bound to sound familiar whatever you put on top of it. -- FA Follie! Follie! Delirio vano e' questo! From jamesmichaelmcdermott at gmail.com Sat Apr 8 09:11:03 2006 From: jamesmichaelmcdermott at gmail.com (James McDermott) Date: Sat Apr 8 09:11:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> Message-ID: It's Hit Me Baby One More Time By Britney Spears Shame on you! From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sat Apr 8 09:12:05 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sat Apr 8 09:12:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> Message-ID: <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> On Sat, 08 Apr, 2006 at 02:55PM +0200, fons adriaensen spake thus: > On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 01:11:39PM +0100, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > On Sat, 08 Apr, 2006 at 12:34PM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > > > On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:06:00 +0100 > > > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > > > > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/04/music.html > > > > > > > > Can you guess what it's based on? Prize for the first correct answer! > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > This is good. It has a familiarity but I can't think where from. A film > > > theme perhaps? > > > > Nope! It's probably been used in a film at some point. Thinking > > about it, probably quite a few films. > > > > Keep guessing! > > The descending bass followed by a IV-V-I is such a classic that it must > have been used thousands of times. It's bound to sound familiar whatever > you put on top of it. It has more than that in common with the mystery track. Maybe it just sounds obvious to me because I *know* where it's from. Here's a hint then: http:dis-dot-dat.net/pianopart.ogg That's the piano part I wrote while listening to the original piece. It sounds almost exactly like it. This was then used in my track, speeded up or heavily low-passed, with new pianos, synths, drums, etc. You can still hear it at the start quite well and at the end it's the jingly bell-like sound. James > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From pinojazz at gmail.com Fri Apr 7 10:03:48 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sat Apr 8 10:04:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] magic mastering tips needed In-Reply-To: <20060405183347.GK5963@pro-ns.net> References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> <20060405183347.GK5963@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <44367144.1010307@gmail.com> > >On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 03:42:24PM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > >>Hi >> >>I have the following track: >> >>http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg >> >>It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording >>quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus >>would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what >>program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved >>file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering >>along the way. >> >>A few notes: >> >>A valid question would be "but how do you want it to sound?". Well, good >>:-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and >>more presence. >> >>Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be >>linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-) >> >>-- >>peace, love & harmony >>Atte >> >>http://www.atte.dk >> >> > > > Hi , just to say that I like the tune and the way it is played ,quiet and inspired.Very nice melody.I've enjoyed it a lot.Thank you very much for sharing. Are you the sax player ? Dou you like Stan Getz? ;-) Long live for Jazz Music. Saludos. Cheers. --Carlos. From fbar at footils.org Sat Apr 8 10:41:56 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Apr 8 10:41:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine In-Reply-To: <1144349141.2866.82.camel@mindpipe> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> <1144338496.2866.60.camel@mindpipe> <1144339207.14746.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> <56652bc0604060921r2d294b3fu62fa61ae176d1380@mail.gmail.com> <1144349141.2866.82.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060408144156.GB9090@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 14:21 -0400, Dan Easley wrote: > > i'm imagining csound or pd to be the way to go. > > Last time I checked, the pd developers acknowledged that pd was not > written in a fully RT safe way - display activity will cause xruns. Make that "can cause xruns": Pd is used live on stage more than any other single Linux Audio Software, you just need to avoid doing some rather exotic things, and even then there are workarounds (like running two instances of Pd: one gui, one nogui.) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From denisfalqueto at gmail.com Sat Apr 8 10:49:09 2006 From: denisfalqueto at gmail.com (Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto) Date: Sat Apr 8 10:49:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: Is it the Moonlight sonata, 1st movement? If it's not, I really don't know what it is. You can send my chocolate bar in the reply, please... :-) -- ------------------------------------------- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto ------------------------------------------- From dana at ubuntustudio.com Sat Apr 8 11:01:30 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Sat Apr 8 11:00:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <1144508490.22892.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 11:49 -0300, Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto wrote: > Is it the Moonlight sonata, 1st movement? If it's not, I really don't > know what it is. > > You can send my chocolate bar in the reply, please... :-) > > -- > ------------------------------------------- > Denis A. Altoe Falqueto > ------------------------------------------- I got in on this late, but I'm pretty sure you're right... I'm pretty sure this was the song we used in our wedding. Not this version though. Heh. I think it was used in that game, Dink Smallwood too. Dana -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060408/cf122c15/attachment.bin From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sat Apr 8 11:37:09 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Sat Apr 8 11:30:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060408153709.GC5084@linux-1> On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 11:49:09AM -0300, Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto wrote: > Is it the Moonlight sonata, 1st movement? If it's not, I really don't > know what it is. It sounds like it, but Beethoven's chord progression / harmony is a bit more complex, and that gives it a very different 'mood'. -- FA Follie! Follie! Delirio vano e' questo! From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Apr 8 11:34:54 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Apr 8 11:35:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine In-Reply-To: <20060408144156.GB9090@fliwatut.scifi> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> <1144338496.2866.60.camel@mindpipe> <1144339207.14746.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> <56652bc0604060921r2d294b3fu62fa61ae176d1380@mail.gmail.com> <1144349141.2866.82.camel@mindpipe> <20060408144156.GB9090@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1144510495.22490.141.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 16:41 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 14:21 -0400, Dan Easley wrote: > > > i'm imagining csound or pd to be the way to go. > > > > Last time I checked, the pd developers acknowledged that pd was not > > written in a fully RT safe way - display activity will cause xruns. > > Make that "can cause xruns": Pd is used live on stage more than any > other single Linux Audio Software, you just need to avoid doing some > rather exotic things, and even then there are workarounds (like > running two instances of Pd: one gui, one nogui.) Do you know if there's any plan to fix it? Lee From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sat Apr 8 13:13:25 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sat Apr 8 13:13:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060408171325.GE10374@phlunky.Belkin> On Sat, 08 Apr, 2006 at 11:49AM -0300, Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto spake thus: > Is it the Moonlight sonata, 1st movement? If it's not, I really don't > know what it is. That's the bunny! > You can send my chocolate bar in the reply, please... :-) You receive one chocolate bar. It appears to have something writtent on it. Exits are: north, west -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From lau at ballen.fastmail.fm Sat Apr 8 13:22:45 2006 From: lau at ballen.fastmail.fm (Bill Allen) Date: Sat Apr 8 13:22:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Trouble with 2.15.19/20 kernel In-Reply-To: <1144444557.22490.107.camel@mindpipe> References: <1144418350.8906.258561653@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1144437726.22490.77.camel@mindpipe> <1144443509.10317.258595471@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1144444557.22490.107.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4437F165.20705@ballen.fastmail.fm> Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 16:58 -0400, Bill Allen wrote: > >> I'll try to do as you suggest. As I understand it (which could be not >> at all) Dapper doesn't support realtime-lsm in any of those kernel >> builds. It uses Rlimits-Aware PAM. I've added myself to the audio >> group and as I mentioned, jack works great in 2.6.15-18, but in *-19, >> and *-20 it's miserable. >> > > OK that's a kernel bug of some kind - can you please report it to > Ubuntu? There should not be too many changes between those point > releases. > > Lee > > I found that if I increase the number of periods to 3 that the xruns on startup don't happen. Thus, using: /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p512 -n3 I was able to bring up qsynth and attach vkeybd and play some notes no problem. But, when I launched jack rack and loaded a rack with a couple of the CAPS amp/cabinet simulation plugins, all hell broke loose. Even with a buffersize of 2048 and 4 periods (-p2048 -n4), loading the rack caused way too many hard xruns. On 2.6.15-18-686, I'm running jack with: /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p512 -n2 with no problems at all. I'm trying to think of what could have regressed in the newer kernel builds that would explain this behaviour? Bill From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Apr 8 13:30:52 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Apr 8 13:30:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Trouble with 2.15.19/20 kernel In-Reply-To: <4437F165.20705@ballen.fastmail.fm> References: <1144418350.8906.258561653@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1144437726.22490.77.camel@mindpipe> <1144443509.10317.258595471@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1144444557.22490.107.camel@mindpipe> <4437F165.20705@ballen.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <1144517452.22490.160.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 13:22 -0400, Bill Allen wrote: > On 2.6.15-18-686, I'm running jack with: > > /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p512 -n2 > > with no problems at all. > > I'm trying to think of what could have regressed in the newer kernel > builds that would explain this behaviour? No idea, only Ubuntu (or someone who reads their changelog) knows what they changed between those versions. Please file a bug report with them. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Apr 8 13:32:29 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Apr 8 13:32:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Trouble with 2.15.19/20 kernel In-Reply-To: <4437F165.20705@ballen.fastmail.fm> References: <1144418350.8906.258561653@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1144437726.22490.77.camel@mindpipe> <1144443509.10317.258595471@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1144444557.22490.107.camel@mindpipe> <4437F165.20705@ballen.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <1144517549.22490.163.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 13:22 -0400, Bill Allen wrote: > > I'm trying to think of what could have regressed in the newer kernel > builds that would explain this behaviour? > Can you diff the kernel configs (should be /proc/config.gz or if they don't enable that than /boot/config-whatever or something) Lee From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sat Apr 8 13:33:48 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sat Apr 8 13:33:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] netjack-0.11rc5 In-Reply-To: <20060408030728.GA8258@mobilat> References: <20060408030728.GA8258@mobilat> Message-ID: <200604081933.48663.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Saturday 08 April 2006 05:07, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > netjack-0.11rc5 > > Some pieces of Code which can deliver you the full jackd experience with > multiple Computers. > > Links JackPorts via generic IP networks. > > The alsa_in and alsa_out client can connect jackd to an unrelated > alsa Soundcard. And their algorithm has been improved. > > Also downsampling and bitrate reduction is included now, to make it work > on low bitrate links. Tested over the Internet some times now, with > moderate success. > > Also compiles on OSX... with-alsa=0 Hi Torben. Where do I get netjack from? I got distracted with the link for Galan, and have put this on FC2 from planetccrma. Netjack sounds really interesting if you can use multiple computers. Nigel. From jschoeni at gmx.net Sat Apr 8 13:37:58 2006 From: jschoeni at gmx.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?J=FCrgen_Sch=F6neberg?=) Date: Sat Apr 8 13:38:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mozplugger and firefox for using mplayer -ao jack Message-ID: <200604081937.58531.jschoeni@gmx.net> HEJ! problem: firefox dont cares about mozplugger at all! I tried to get mozplugger working. (reason: I want to play Realaudio with mplayer and jack) MozPlugger version 1.7.3 with Mozilla Firefox 1.0.7, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2005 mozilla.org in firefox "about:plugins" is showing; MozPlugger 1.7.3 handles QuickTime Windows Media Player Plugin and the list of MIME types ... and Java(TM) Plug-in 1.5.0_06-b05 I have mozpluggerrc in /etc problem: but still firefox dont cares about mozplugger at all! ( I deleted pluginreg.dat also before starting firefox) a click on e.g http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/p3/programsidor/index.asp?ProgramID=953 results in the question if I want to use gxine for opening file.ram ore others are resulting in "you have to install a plugin" have you any idea how can get this working? I tried also mplayer -ao jack in mozpluggerrc : define(MP_CMD,[mplayer -ao jack -really-quiet -nojoystick -nofs -zoom -vo xv,x11 -ao esd,alsa,oss,arts,null -osdlevel 0 $1 References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> <20060405183347.GK5963@pro-ns.net> <44367144.1010307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4437F8C9.6010603@gmail.com> Carlos Pino wrote: > Hi , just to say that I like the tune and the way it is played > ,quiet and inspired.Very nice melody.I've enjoyed it a lot.Thank you > very much for sharing. Thanks for the kind words, and you're welcome :-) > Are you the sax player ? Dou you like Stan Getz? ;-) I'm the piano player, but both me and the sax likes Getz. I think there are other saxophones that Niels (my alto) sounds more like. Stitt would be one... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Apr 8 13:57:53 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Apr 8 13:58:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mozplugger and firefox for using mplayer -ao jack In-Reply-To: <200604081937.58531.jschoeni@gmx.net> References: <200604081937.58531.jschoeni@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1144519074.22490.168.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 19:37 +0200, J?rgen Sch?neberg wrote: > HEJ! > > problem: > firefox dont cares about mozplugger at all! > > > > I tried to get mozplugger working. (reason: I want to play Realaudio > with mplayer and jack) > > MozPlugger version 1.7.3 > with > Mozilla Firefox 1.0.7, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2005 mozilla.org apt-get install (or your distro's equivalent) mplayerplug-in and/or mozilla-mplayer. Before I did that no web multimedia worked at all. Now it works about half the time. Often I get an error from the site "You do not have the correct Windows Media Player installed", so apparently the plugin doesn't spoof it correctly. Other times the video will refuse to play in the browser but I can right click and download and it plays file with gmplayer. Then half the time when it does play, I get a 1FPS slideshow rather than video. This is all on Ubuntu Dapper which is supposed to have good support for this stuff. YMMV as always. Lee From lt at westnet.com Sat Apr 8 15:51:49 2006 From: lt at westnet.com (Larry Troxler) Date: Sat Apr 8 15:51:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] beatroot Message-ID: <44381455.3000508@westnet.com> I'm trying to get beatroot to run on a system based on Suse 10 (but with many audo and MIDI apps recompiled from source to get later versions). I am having dificulties due to the fact that I have the JRE version 1.4 installed, which I want to keep, but beatroot needs 1.3. I have made some progress; I installed JRE 1.3 from the sources from Sun, but am not sure how in general have JRE 1.3 coexist with 1.4. I have gotten to the point where beatroot runs, but fails to find the shared java libs. Any help from someone who has gone through a similar setup would be much appreciated. Thanks Larry From BJaY at safe-mail.net Sat Apr 8 15:56:37 2006 From: BJaY at safe-mail.net (BJaY) Date: Sat Apr 8 15:57:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations Message-ID: I've just managed to lay my hands on enough cash to upgrade to a decent computer for audio, and I haven't got a clue as to which motherboard to go for. I'm thinking of AMD64 3700+1Gig RAM (I use big sound fonts). I'm a little confused by the motherboard blurb, there seem to be loads of boards with similar specs but very different prices. If anyone could help with the following questions I'd be grateful (sorry if some of them are a bit OT): Is integrated graphics still bad ? Will I run into driver availability problems if I'm stuck with O/B graphics ? Will memory bandwidth be a problem ? Do I want to pay extra for SATA 2 ? Is AMD still better for Audio ? I'll be using loads of LADSPA effects. Is there a value for AMD's advantage with the De-Norm problems ? Is processor cache size an issue for digital audio ? Do I need to go for the processors with larger cache's ? Is NFORCE4 chipset OK now ? It seems to be on alot of the cheap motherboards. Can I still use my old ATI Rage Pro AGP on the new motherboards with AGP x4 and x8, is there a bandwidth penalty anywhere for using an older card ? Cheers, Bruce. From ix at replic.net Sat Apr 8 16:08:58 2006 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Sat Apr 8 16:08:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] beatroot In-Reply-To: <44381455.3000508@westnet.com> References: <44381455.3000508@westnet.com> Message-ID: <20060408200858.GG20524@replic.net> On Sat Apr 08, 2006 at 03:51:49PM -0400, Larry Troxler wrote: > I'm trying to get beatroot to run on a system based on Suse 10 (but with > many audo and MIDI apps recompiled from source to get later versions). > > I am having dificulties due to the fact that I have the JRE version 1.4 > installed, which I want to keep, but beatroot needs 1.3. > > I have made some progress; I installed JRE 1.3 from the sources from > Sun, but am not sure how in general have JRE 1.3 coexist with 1.4. I > have gotten to the point where beatroot runs, but fails to find the > shared java libs. i checked this out recently and im fairly sure it was only using JAVA for the GUI (which wasnt all that anyways). the art and science of it is efinitely in the beat-awareness stuff which was implemented in C or C++ .. so basically, i might be interested in ripping that part out into a PD external or something, once i get PD working again.. cant you just install an old .deb of blackdown? > > Any help from someone who has gone through a similar setup would be much > appreciated. > > Thanks > > Larry From ix at replic.net Sat Apr 8 16:17:20 2006 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Sat Apr 8 16:17:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060408201720.GH20524@replic.net> > Is integrated graphics still bad ? Will I run into driver availability > problems if I'm stuck with O/B graphics ? Will memory bandwidth be a problem not really. in fact, the VIA Unichrome in a $250 (total) Sempron64 shuttle i just built for someone actually runs faster than my ATI. due to ATI sucking so bad and only being able to use it via software rendering since their fglrx driver causes a kernel panic when running GLXgears... > Do I want to pay extra for SATA 2 ? everything has SATA by now, unles your vendor is pawning off discontinued crap.. > Is AMD still better for Audio ? well its faster, cheaper, and 64bit. you decide.. > I'll be using loads of LADSPA effects. Is > there a value for AMD's advantage with the De-Norm problems ? im pretty sure Intel fixed this a few steppings ago.. > Is processor cache size an issue for digital audio ? Do I need to go for the > processors with larger cache's ? i would say this Sempron feels a touch slower than my Turion and A64 desktop chip, all of which are 2.0ghz. probably due to the slower cache, and the fact that i put some old 266DDR RAM i had sitting around in it.. since everything except the high end FX series are pretty close in price, id go for the ones with larger cache.. > > Is NFORCE4 chipset OK now ? It seems to be on alot of the cheap > motherboards. anything should be fine. id be dictating my choice based on the case (eg something small and with a heatpipe instead of a fan for the CPU, and a passively-cooled video card) if noise is a concern, and if you want to 'vote with your dollars', go with Nvidia, or preferaby someone like SiS or VIA, who are much more open about hardware specs than either Nvidia or ATI.. From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sat Apr 8 16:29:57 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sat Apr 8 16:30:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] netjack-0.11rc5 In-Reply-To: <20060408092717.45adc17d@SiRiUS.home> References: <20060408030728.GA8258@mobilat> <20060408092717.45adc17d@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <200604082229.57053.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Saturday 08 April 2006 09:27, Thomas Kuther wrote: > On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:07:29 +0200 > > torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > netjack-0.11rc5 > > > > Some pieces of Code which can deliver you the full jackd experience > > with multiple Computers. > > > > Links JackPorts via generic IP networks. > > > > The alsa_in and alsa_out client can connect jackd to an unrelated > > alsa Soundcard. And their algorithm has been improved. > > > > Also downsampling and bitrate reduction is included now, to make it > > work on low bitrate links. Tested over the Internet some times now, > > with moderate success. > > > > Also compiles on OSX... with-alsa=0 > > > > > > -- > > torben Hohn > > http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language > > sweet! > > for gentoo users: > http://gimpel.ath.cx/~tom/files/portage_overlay/media-sound/netjack/netjack >-0.11_rc5.ebuild > > cheers! > tom Hi Thomas. Have you a link to where I can get netjack from? Nigel. From patrickkidd.lists at gmail.com Sat Apr 8 16:58:22 2006 From: patrickkidd.lists at gmail.com (Patrick Stinson) Date: Sat Apr 8 16:58:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine In-Reply-To: <1144338496.2866.60.camel@mindpipe> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> <1144338496.2866.60.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <664bf2b80604081358s34bd3aa9n40493a25fb9b54f8@mail.gmail.com> Freewheeling looks pretty good, except it's more designed to take the place of a more standard pedal-controlled loop machine. I don't really want to just record myself live, but I want to play pre-recorded samples and midi sequences, much like you would if you had a ton of dj decks lying around, and got them all to fit in a touchscreen. Plus, I want the engine so I can write my own app. On 4/6/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 04:14 -0800, Patrick Stinson wrote: > > I've been looking for a high-performance music engine. It must have an > > asynchronous control (socket, pipe?) mechanism to seperate the > > application from the audio thread. > > > > I'm looking for: > > > > start/stop samples on the beat > > scaled tempo control across all samples > > volume > > effects? > > easily wrappable (I'll write extensions, implement protocol > > plugins...) with python > > > > I'm trying to write something like ableton live without writing an > > engine all over again. FMODex would be *perfect* if it had a > > well-defined tempo/beat/sync interface. > > > > I think FreeWheeling might be the closest thing to Live that exists for > Linux, have you looked at it? > > Lee > > -- Patrick Kidd Stinson http://www.patrickkidd.com/ http://pkaudio.sourceforge.net/ http://pksampler.sourceforge.net/ From jusic at epoksi.afraid.org Sat Apr 8 17:29:36 2006 From: jusic at epoksi.afraid.org (Jussi Sainio) Date: Sat Apr 8 17:29:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] netjack-0.11rc5 In-Reply-To: <200604082229.57053.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <20060408030728.GA8258@mobilat> <20060408092717.45adc17d@SiRiUS.home> <200604082229.57053.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <44382B40.6040303@epoksi.afraid.org> Nigel Henry wrote: > On Saturday 08 April 2006 09:27, Thomas Kuther wrote: > >>On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:07:29 +0200 >> >>torbenh@gmx.de wrote: >> >>>netjack-0.11rc5 >>> >>>Some pieces of Code which can deliver you the full jackd experience >>>with multiple Computers. >>> >>>Links JackPorts via generic IP networks. >>> >>>The alsa_in and alsa_out client can connect jackd to an unrelated >>>alsa Soundcard. And their algorithm has been improved. >>> >>>Also downsampling and bitrate reduction is included now, to make it >>>work on low bitrate links. Tested over the Internet some times now, >>>with moderate success. >>> >>>Also compiles on OSX... with-alsa=0 >>> >>> >>>-- >>>torben Hohn >>>http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language >> >>sweet! >> >>for gentoo users: >>http://gimpel.ath.cx/~tom/files/portage_overlay/media-sound/netjack/netjack >>-0.11_rc5.ebuild >> >>cheers! >>tom > > > Hi Thomas. Have you a link to where I can get netjack from? Nigel. > Google says: http://netjack.sourceforge.net/ ;) --jussi From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sat Apr 8 17:35:58 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sat Apr 8 17:36:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] netjack-0.11rc5 In-Reply-To: <44382B40.6040303@epoksi.afraid.org> References: <20060408030728.GA8258@mobilat> <200604082229.57053.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <44382B40.6040303@epoksi.afraid.org> Message-ID: <200604082335.58669.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Saturday 08 April 2006 23:29, Jussi Sainio wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > > On Saturday 08 April 2006 09:27, Thomas Kuther wrote: > >>On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:07:29 +0200 > >> > >>torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > >>>netjack-0.11rc5 > >>> > >>>Some pieces of Code which can deliver you the full jackd experience > >>>with multiple Computers. > >>> > >>>Links JackPorts via generic IP networks. > >>> > >>>The alsa_in and alsa_out client can connect jackd to an unrelated > >>>alsa Soundcard. And their algorithm has been improved. > >>> > >>>Also downsampling and bitrate reduction is included now, to make it > >>>work on low bitrate links. Tested over the Internet some times now, > >>>with moderate success. > >>> > >>>Also compiles on OSX... with-alsa=0 > >>> > >>> > >>>-- > >>>torben Hohn > >>>http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language > >> > >>sweet! > >> > >>for gentoo users: > >>http://gimpel.ath.cx/~tom/files/portage_overlay/media-sound/netjack/netja > >>ck -0.11_rc5.ebuild > >> > >>cheers! > >>tom > > > > Hi Thomas. Have you a link to where I can get netjack from? Nigel. > > Google says: > > http://netjack.sourceforge.net/ > > ;) > > --jussi Hi Jussi. Thanks for that link. Nigel. From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sat Apr 8 17:55:20 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sat Apr 8 17:55:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: <20060408201720.GH20524@replic.net> References: <20060408201720.GH20524@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060408215515.GF10374@phlunky.Belkin> On Sat, 08 Apr, 2006 at 08:17PM +0000, carmen spake thus: > > Is NFORCE4 chipset OK now ? It seems to be on alot of the cheap > > motherboards. > > anything should be fine. id be dictating my choice based on the case (eg something small and with a heatpipe instead of a fan for the CPU, and a passively-cooled video card) if noise is a concern, and if you want to 'vote with your dollars', go with Nvidia, or preferaby someone like SiS or VIA, who are much more open about hardware specs than either Nvidia or ATI.. nvidia is better than nvidia? -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From illth at gmx.de Sat Apr 8 18:36:24 2006 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Sat Apr 8 18:36:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44383AE8.5040401@gmx.de> BJaY wrote: > I've just managed to lay my hands on enough cash to upgrade to a decent > computer for audio, and I haven't got a clue as to which motherboard to go > for. I'm thinking of AMD64 3700+1Gig RAM (I use big sound fonts). I'm a > little confused by the motherboard blurb, there seem to be loads of boards > with similar specs but very different prices. If anyone could help with the > following questions I'd be grateful (sorry if some of them are a bit OT): > > Is integrated graphics still bad ? Will I run into driver availability > problems if I'm stuck with O/B graphics ? Will memory bandwidth be a problem > ? > if you are running your 17/19" TFT at 1280x1024@ 32bit and 60Hz, this will eat up approximately 300MB/s 1280x1024x32x60/8 = 314572800bytes/sec = aprox. 314MB/sec where MB = 10^6 Byte. the dualchannel DDR400 interface of the A64 can carry 6400MB/sec (MB=10^6..), so this will eat 5% of your raw memory bandwith. that doesn't hurt that much, if you also take into account that the integrated graphics uses large bursts on the main memory, this should decrease your cpu performance by only 3% or so. back in the days where there was PC133 Memory, integrated graphics really sucked, cause it would eat 30% of the avail mem bandwith. But integrated grafics still sucks when you want to play 3D games, etc. Also, i have geared there were driver issues with the 8178 driver dunno if they are fixed in the 8756. if you are using an CRT with 100Hz, a tft that can do 1920x1200, or any other wired display device, i would go for a discrete graphics card, as these might decrease the performance more then 3% > Do I want to pay extra for SATA 2 ? > every mainboard comes w/ sata. sata hdd's are only 0-3? more exepensive than then pata, so go for sata. not because sata is any faster, butbecause you still can uses this disk in the future when there are no pata connectors on the mainboards any more. sata2 over sata ... i don't think this will give you any performance increase. but its only minimal more expensive, so you should get it. > Is AMD still better for Audio ? I'll be using loads of LADSPA effects. Is > there a value for AMD's advantage with the De-Norm problems ? > dunno > Is processor cache size an issue for digital audio ? Do I need to go for the > processors with larger cache's ? > dunno > Is NFORCE4 chipset OK now ? It seems to be on alot of the cheap > motherboards. > i think it is ok, but on most mobo's there is a fan on this chipset, this (imho) sucks. gigabyte is an exception. i would get the new uli chipset, as the board is cheap (and has no fans). but i also oly have a 3000+. an 3700+ is expensive enough to combine it with an better board ... > Can I still use my old ATI Rage Pro AGP on the new motherboards with AGP x4 > and x8, is there a bandwidth penalty anywhere for using an older card ? > all new agp 4X/8X boards for the A64 i know of support only 1.5V and 0.8V signal levels. IIRC the Rage Pro is an old AGP2x card with 3.3V signal levels. if you manage to stick this card in such a board, this will kill the board. luckily there is a key on the agp connector. there is a notch inside the agp connector of the card. if it is on the right side, it is a 3.3V only card. if it is on the left side, it's a 1.5/0.8V only card. if it has 2 notches, it does support 3.3, 1.5 and possibly 0.8V. on the board's connector, there is a "bridge". no bridge=> 3.3 and 1.5, left bridge 1.5/0.8, right bridge =>3.3 > Cheers, Bruce. > > > From daneasley at gmail.com Sat Apr 8 20:30:08 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Sat Apr 8 20:30:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tascam US122 MIDI Troubles In-Reply-To: References: <87fykpspz0.fsf@cipht.net> <44365CE1.4020202@rncbc.org> Message-ID: > On 4/7/06, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > > Julian Squires wrote: > > > "Dan Easley" writes: > > >> MIDI did work but now doesn't. It shows up in QJackCtl's window, but > > >> no MIDI signals are passed through; even more telling, the MIDI IN LED > > >> on the unit doesn't light. I've tested the controller with a BCR2000 > > >> and it works fine; have also tried another controller with the Tascam. > > >> Again, the ports are apparently recognized by ALSA - in addition, > > >> audio works fine. I'm guessing it's a hardware failure of the Tascam, > > >> and I'll need to replace the unit, but I wanted to ask if you all can > > >> think of anything else linux-related I'm not thinking of. > > > > > > I use a Tascam US-122 on various Linux/PPC machines, and I've had this > > > happen before. I wish I could say exactly what it is, but I'm pretty > > > sure it's a software misconfiguration. I think each time, it must have > > > been caused by upgrades I did, but I never paid sufficiently close > > > attention, alas. Check whether you have the usb-midi kernel module > > > loaded (in addition to all the usx2y stuff), et cetera. > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > This seems to be a known issue on alsa-driver, that crept around version > > 1.0.9. It was fixed since 1.0.9b. Check it out. > > > > Cheers. > > -- > > rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela > > rncbc@rncbc.org Just to verify - I updated ALSA to something over 1.0.10, and everything now works fine. Thanks again, guys! -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From denisfalqueto at gmail.com Sat Apr 8 21:09:44 2006 From: denisfalqueto at gmail.com (Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto) Date: Sat Apr 8 21:09:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: <20060408153709.GC5084@linux-1> References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408153709.GC5084@linux-1> Message-ID: On 4/8/06, fons adriaensen wrote: > It sounds like it, but Beethoven's chord progression / harmony > is a bit more complex, and that gives it a very different 'mood'. Yes, for sure! But James said that the hint reminds the original and the first thing that came to my mind was the Moonlight Sonata. It seems that James took just the first part of the theme of the sonata too. This recalled something I got on my mind for some time... What would the great composers do with the ressources we have nowadays? I mean, I'm sure they would use these technologies, but how would be the results? Of course, this can't be answared but it keeps me thinking... Regards, -- ------------------------------------------- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto ------------------------------------------- From denisfalqueto at gmail.com Sat Apr 8 21:21:21 2006 From: denisfalqueto at gmail.com (Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto) Date: Sat Apr 8 21:21:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: <20060408171325.GE10374@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408171325.GE10374@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: On 4/8/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > That's the bunny! The hint was the key, to me... > You receive one chocolate bar. It appears to have something writtent > on it. > > Exits are: north, west Hehehehe, my prize is listening to the music. And would be too much work sending it to Brazil. :-) Thanks for sharing it. It is a very good song and after I listened the hint and thought about it, Persona Grata sounded even better. The beginning is fantastic. The instruments were very well chosen. I would just make the drums a little less "hard". I mean, the kick with less atack or a little more smooth. But that is just me. The tune is great! Best regards. -- ------------------------------------------- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto ------------------------------------------- From loki.davison at gmail.com Sat Apr 8 22:22:11 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sat Apr 8 22:22:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: <44383AE8.5040401@gmx.de> References: <44383AE8.5040401@gmx.de> Message-ID: On 4/9/06, Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > BJaY wrote: > > I've just managed to lay my hands on enough cash to upgrade to a decent > > computer for audio, and I haven't got a clue as to which motherboard to go > > for. I'm thinking of AMD64 3700+1Gig RAM (I use big sound fonts). I'm a > > little confused by the motherboard blurb, there seem to be loads of boards > > with similar specs but very different prices. If anyone could help Well, i have an ati chipset mobo (RS480) for my amd64 939 3000 and it's horrible. Totally unreliable piece of crap, this seems to be the same with any os. They recommend using low performance ram to increase stability... so steer as far away from ati as physically possible. It might be an issue with airflow, but as the temp monitoring doesn't work at all under linux i can't really tell. I am also looking for another mobo of the crashing much less type. Does anyone have a recommendation i.e model number of a known working well for low latency board? What do people on here with amd64 use? Asus nvidia based boards are easy to get here, though other brands seem less common. Need pci-e and sata. Loki From franciscoecheverria at vtr.net Sun Apr 9 03:00:45 2006 From: franciscoecheverria at vtr.net (francisco echeverria) Date: Sun Apr 9 03:00:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler dapper packages Message-ID: <4438B11D.7010205@vtr.net> hi all i'm trying to load some stuff on qsampler but when i setup the audio/output it looks like my soundcard is not there (not midi nor audio options avialable) when i try the same with jack running the only option for audio is alsa below are the messages when first i try to create midi devices then audio devices and finally try to load some .gig is there something i can do ?? thanks in advance... 02:50:07.015 Client connecting... 02:50:07.018 Client receive timeout is set to 1000 msec. 02:50:07.020 Client connected. 02:50:07.021 New session: "Untitled1". 02:50:21.147 New Channel setup... 02:50:34.320 New MIDI device lscp_create_midi_device: Error opening ALSA sequencer (errno=0) 02:50:34.321 New MIDI device Could not create device. Sorry. 02:50:43.797 New Audio device lscp_get_audio_driver_info: AudioOutputDeviceAlsa (errno=0) 02:50:45.354 New Audio device lscp_create_audio_device: AudioOutputDeviceAlsa (errno=0) 02:50:45.358 New Audio device Could not create device. Sorry. 02:50:59.746 Channel 0 added. 02:50:59.751 Channel 0 lscp_set_channel_audio_type: AudioOutputDeviceAlsa (errno=0) 02:50:59.756 Channel 0 lscp_set_channel_midi_type: Error opening ALSA sequencer (errno=0) 02:50:59.763 Channel 0 lscp_set_channel_midi_port: No MIDI input device assigned. (errno=0) 02:50:59.765 Channel 0 lscp_set_channel_midi_channel: No MIDI input device assigned. (errno=0) 02:50:59.769 Channel 0 Engine: GIG. 02:50:59.772 Channel 0 lscp_load_instrument: No audio output device connected to sampler channel (errno=0) 02:50:59.774 Channel 0 Some channel settings could not be set. Sorry. 02:51:01.739 Channel 0 lscp_get_audio_device_info: ENGINE_NAME (errno=0) 02:51:01.742 Channel 0 lscp_get_midi_device_info: ENGINE_NAME (errno=0) etc...... From stuff at trackingsolutions.ca Sun Apr 9 03:51:28 2006 From: stuff at trackingsolutions.ca (stuff@trackingsolutions.ca) Date: Sun Apr 9 03:51:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for high quality samples for Linux In-Reply-To: <4438B11D.7010205@vtr.net> References: <4438B11D.7010205@vtr.net> Message-ID: <200604090151.28356.stuff@trackingsolutions.ca> Well... after spending 2 week researching and building my hardware and software and spending $1000 I have the following: - Demudi 1.2.1 - AMD 3200 + XP (NVidea) - 1 GB RAM - M-Audio Audiophile 2494 - Yamaha P-70 keyboard - Recompiled kernel with "Complete Preemption (Real-Time)" turned on - Priorities set for my card and jack - 0 XRUNS! Finally! That only took me a week! I am at the stage now where I need to make my wife (the composer) happy. We are looking for the best quality orchestra samples that we can run under Linux. I have been referred to several samples that apparently cannot run in Linux due to the fact that the sound is processed by Windows apps first and the samples themselves do not sound that good. What is our best route to take in solving our problem? Thanks From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Apr 9 04:11:46 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Apr 9 04:09:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408171325.GE10374@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060409091146.3b52a3f9@localhost> On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:21:21 -0300 "Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto" wrote: > On 4/8/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > That's the bunny! > > The hint was the key, to me... > > > You receive one chocolate bar. It appears to have something writtent > > on it. > > > > Exits are: north, west > > Hehehehe, my prize is listening to the music. And would be too much > work sending it to Brazil. :-) > > Thanks for sharing it. It is a very good song and after I listened the > hint and thought about it, Persona Grata sounded even better. The > beginning is fantastic. The instruments were very well chosen. I would > just make the drums a little less "hard". I mean, the kick with less > atack or a little more smooth. But that is just me. The tune is great! > > Best regards. > > -- > ------------------------------------------- > Denis A. Altoe Falqueto > ------------------------------------------- Hmmm. Talking about drums... What re you (James) using for your drum kit? -- F From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Apr 9 04:16:43 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Apr 9 04:14:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408153709.GC5084@linux-1> Message-ID: <20060409091643.329c4e09@localhost> On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:09:44 -0300 "Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto" wrote: > On 4/8/06, fons adriaensen wrote: > > It sounds like it, but Beethoven's chord progression / harmony > > is a bit more complex, and that gives it a very different 'mood'. > > Yes, for sure! But James said that the hint reminds the original and > the first thing that came to my mind was the Moonlight Sonata. It > seems that James took just the first part of the theme of the sonata > too. > > This recalled something I got on my mind for some time... What would > the great composers do with the ressources we have nowadays? I mean, > I'm sure they would use these technologies, but how would be the > results? Of course, this can't be answared but it keeps me thinking... > > Regards, > > -- > ------------------------------------------- > Denis A. Altoe Falqueto > ------------------------------------------- From what I've read, it seems most of the old were highly unconventional and innovative for their own time. They would have *loved* the stuff we take forgranted. They'd have surely wiped the RIAA crap we have to listen to these days right off the airwaves. -- F From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sun Apr 9 06:41:39 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sun Apr 9 04:53:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: (BJaY@safe-mail.net's message of "Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:56:37 +0100") References: Message-ID: <87vetj2fq4.fsf@esben-stien.name> "BJaY" writes: > I'm thinking of AMD64 3700+1Gig RAM How about 8 Opteron CPU and 128Gio RAM?;) http://www.iwill.net/product_2.asp?p_id=107&sp=Y -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sun Apr 9 05:52:51 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sun Apr 9 05:45:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4438D973.1080304@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, i?d like to ask too :-) BJaY schrieb: > for. I'm thinking of AMD64 I hear quite often, that there comes a lot of Extratrouble with using 64versions of Linux. Especially, that most Apps are not optimized for and thus run in a Legacy-Mode, that is slower then running them on a 32bitCPU. A processor for an audiosystem should have 5 main virtues: 1.) stability 2.) stability 3.) stability 4.) being quiet (cool) 5.) having some headroom for running realtime stuff stable i?ve got a box and a Laptop that both meet those criteria with Intel Pentiums... Still i am eager to learn more: Is there really a big advantage in running AMD64? begards Z -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEONly1Aecwva1SWMRAlCvAJ0bYlhK9lIqv1+rlNjXtvFyzWyruACfR0/D jRMbyy2kIpmq8CptnYRsfIs= =91EO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sun Apr 9 05:46:51 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sun Apr 9 05:47:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408153709.GC5084@linux-1> Message-ID: <20060409094651.GB21138@phlunky.Belkin> On Sat, 08 Apr, 2006 at 10:09PM -0300, Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto spake thus: > On 4/8/06, fons adriaensen wrote: > > It sounds like it, but Beethoven's chord progression / harmony > > is a bit more complex, and that gives it a very different 'mood'. > > Yes, for sure! But James said that the hint reminds the original and > the first thing that came to my mind was the Moonlight Sonata. It > seems that James took just the first part of the theme of the sonata > too. > > This recalled something I got on my mind for some time... What would > the great composers do with the ressources we have nowadays? I mean, > I'm sure they would use these technologies, but how would be the > results? Of course, this can't be answared but it keeps me thinking... Mozart would be making acid jazz. Bach would be pumping out drum and bass. This is 100% fact* James *May not be actual fact > Regards, > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sun Apr 9 05:49:44 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sun Apr 9 05:49:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408171325.GE10374@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060409094944.GC21138@phlunky.Belkin> On Sat, 08 Apr, 2006 at 10:21PM -0300, Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto spake thus: > On 4/8/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > That's the bunny! > > The hint was the key, to me... The thyming title was a little clue, too. > > You receive one chocolate bar. It appears to have something writtent > > on it. > > > > Exits are: north, west > > Hehehehe, my prize is listening to the music. And would be too much > work sending it to Brazil. :-) I have to ask: what are Brazil nuts called in brazil? Just "nuts"? > Thanks for sharing it. It is a very good song and after I listened the > hint and thought about it, Persona Grata sounded even better. The > beginning is fantastic. The instruments were very well chosen. I would > just make the drums a little less "hard". I mean, the kick with less > atack or a little more smooth. But that is just me. The tune is great! Thanks for listening in enough detail to give good feedback. I don't tend to revisit tracks (although I might with this because of that duff note) but it all feeds into future work. James > Best regards. > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sun Apr 9 05:51:49 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sun Apr 9 05:51:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for high quality samples for Linux In-Reply-To: <200604090151.28356.stuff@trackingsolutions.ca> References: <4438B11D.7010205@vtr.net> <200604090151.28356.stuff@trackingsolutions.ca> Message-ID: <20060409095149.GD21138@phlunky.Belkin> On Sun, 09 Apr, 2006 at 01:51AM -0600, stuff@trackingsolutions.ca spake thus: > Well... after spending 2 week researching and building my hardware and > software and spending $1000 I have the following: > > - Demudi 1.2.1 > - AMD 3200 + XP (NVidea) > - 1 GB RAM > - M-Audio Audiophile 2494 > - Yamaha P-70 keyboard > - Recompiled kernel with "Complete Preemption (Real-Time)" turned on > - Priorities set for my card and jack > - 0 XRUNS! Finally! That only took me a week! > > I am at the stage now where I need to make my wife (the composer) happy. We > are looking for the best quality orchestra samples that we can run under > Linux. I have been referred to several samples that apparently cannot run in > Linux due to the fact that the sound is processed by Windows apps first and > the samples themselves do not sound that good. > > What is our best route to take in solving our problem? I buy the 'future music' and 'computer music' magazines and slowly build up my samples. Many samplecds are in OS agnostic formats, though. Just check before you buy. If they're WAVs, then you're fine. James > Thanks > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sun Apr 9 05:54:38 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sun Apr 9 05:54:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: <20060409091146.3b52a3f9@localhost> References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408171325.GE10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060409091146.3b52a3f9@localhost> Message-ID: <20060409095438.GE21138@phlunky.Belkin> On Sun, 09 Apr, 2006 at 09:11AM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:21:21 -0300 > "Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto" wrote: > > > On 4/8/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > That's the bunny! > > > > The hint was the key, to me... > > > > > You receive one chocolate bar. It appears to have something writtent > > > on it. > > > > > > Exits are: north, west > > > > Hehehehe, my prize is listening to the music. And would be too much > > work sending it to Brazil. :-) > > > > Thanks for sharing it. It is a very good song and after I listened the > > hint and thought about it, Persona Grata sounded even better. The > > beginning is fantastic. The instruments were very well chosen. I would > > just make the drums a little less "hard". I mean, the kick with less > > atack or a little more smooth. But that is just me. The tune is great! > > > > Best regards. > > > > Hmmm. Talking about drums... What re you (James) using for your drum > kit? Bits of allsorts. Samples collected from magazine covers, mostly. I usually (like here) layer a 303 style kick for punch with a "real" kick for feel. I don't tend to use a predefined "kit" - I've colected so many samples (6.6GB), I just browse until I find the one that sounds right. It's all very scientific :) James -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From fbar at footils.org Sun Apr 9 06:17:57 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Apr 9 06:17:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine In-Reply-To: <1144510495.22490.141.camel@mindpipe> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> <1144338496.2866.60.camel@mindpipe> <1144339207.14746.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> <56652bc0604060921r2d294b3fu62fa61ae176d1380@mail.gmail.com> <1144349141.2866.82.camel@mindpipe> <20060408144156.GB9090@fliwatut.scifi> <1144510495.22490.141.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060409101756.GD9090@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 16:41 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > Make that "can cause xruns": Pd is used live on stage more than any > > other single Linux Audio Software, you just need to avoid doing some > > rather exotic things, and even then there are workarounds (like > > running two instances of Pd: one gui, one nogui.) > > Do you know if there's any plan to fix it? Since one or two versions Pd "throttles" the amount of data sent from the main engine to the GUI, and there's also a branch/fork of Pd called DesireData (still not usable) that tries a more general approach to decouple the GUI from the main engine. In my experience the GUI interrupting audio is not a real problem in practice, except maybe in some rather special use cases - but I tend to play Pd "blind" when performing: I cannot and don't want to watch 128 VU meters on stage anyway. Because at its heart Pd is a programming language some of the responsibility to build a working instead of a broken GUI is with the user of Pd. With Ardour, you could blame Paul if you get lots of xruns, but with Pd it may be your own fault. Pd now is in its tenth year of existence (not counting its predecessors like Max or Patcher) and in several places it doesn't follow what today is viewed as good practice, and there sure is room for improvement. However this didn't and doesn't harm Pd's usefulness to hundreds of users so much as to make them stop working with Pd. (It does stop some, though.) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk Sun Apr 9 06:47:13 2006 From: errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk (Martin Habets) Date: Sun Apr 9 06:47:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux distro to run audio on PPC In-Reply-To: <20060408115922.GA1500125@rebeca> References: <20060407192058.89F5DF4F058@music.columbia.edu> <20060407233848.GB26480@palantir8> <20060408115922.GA1500125@rebeca> Message-ID: <20060409104713.GA2606@palantir8> On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 01:59:23PM +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Martin Habets escribe: > > I don't know any distro with a good kernel for audio, so my advice is > > to build your own kernel. Personally I run Debian, but I liked Yellowdog > > too when I used that. > > Debian runs lovely on an Apple Mac and if brave enough running sid > you'll have decently recent enough kernels and audio apps available > with no need for compiling. Is that using rlimits + pam changes, or is there a realtime LSM available? > > The graphics driver can cause latency problems without the right kernel > > configuration, or kernel patches. This used to bite me (Radeon Mobility M7). > > Yes. Also it looks like regarding latency kernels for x86 are better > tuned than those for ppc but this could be only a personal feeling. It's not just your feeling, I think hardly anyone test ppc kernels for their latency. > > As for outboard: try to get stuff that is big-endian too. I've had to get or > > make patches to deal with endian-ness after getting a litte-endian Edirol > > UA-25. Those are not all official yet. > > !!! Not sure what you want to say here, so I guess its "thanks for the good work!!!" :) I'm hoping the jackd patch will be included soon, as it seems Paul is gearing up for LAC... Martin From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Apr 9 07:52:52 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Apr 9 07:53:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: <4438D973.1080304@linuxuse.de> References: <4438D973.1080304@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <4438F594.5090101@woh.rr.com> Hartmut Noack wrote: >Still i am eager to learn more: Is there really a big advantage in >running AMD64? > > I would like to know more about this topic (AMD64 performance) too. A student traded a MIS mobo for some lessons, I'm now looking for the best purchase price for a CPU (AMD64 socket 939). I intend to put 64Studio on one partition, I'd be happy to hear from anyone using that system. I'd also like to hear from anyone using a 64-bit processor for Linux audio uder any distro or homebrew system. Any particular problems I should be aware of before jumping into the deep end ? Best, dp From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Apr 9 08:19:25 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun Apr 9 08:15:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: <4438D973.1080304@linuxuse.de> References: <4438D973.1080304@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <1144585165.13916.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 11:52 +0200, Hartmut Noack wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > i?d like to ask too :-) > > BJaY schrieb: > > > for. I'm thinking of AMD64 > > I hear quite often, that there comes a lot of Extratrouble with using > 64versions of Linux. Especially, that most Apps are not optimized for > and thus run in a Legacy-Mode, that is slower then running them on a > 32bitCPU. This is not true. Its important that myths like this do not spread. What is true is that it is not possible to use shared objects compiled for one word size with host apps compiled for another. So, if you run your amd64 processor(s) in 64 bit mode, you will not have flash/shockwave inside firefox since there are not 64 bit plugin versions available. From christhemonkey at gmail.com Sun Apr 9 08:22:58 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Sun Apr 9 08:23:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: <87vetj2fq4.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <87vetj2fq4.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <79eea87e0604090522y397725dav1a39131de80484b4@mail.gmail.com> On 4/9/06, Esben Stien wrote: > "BJaY" writes: > > > I'm thinking of AMD64 3700+1Gig RAM > > How about 8 Opteron CPU and 128Gio RAM?;) I love the foot note: Note: To install dual core CPU on Linux OS, please enter the BIOS menu "PCIPnP" >> "APIC Reassign for Linux" and change to "Reassign". After the installationplease download kernel source to rebuild kernel to support 16 cores Anyone willing to give me the cash to buy one.....? Regards. Chris > http://www.iwill.net/product_2.asp?p_id=107&sp=Y > > -- > Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a > http://www. s t n m > irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact > [sip|iax]: e e > jid:b0ef@ n n > From daneasley at gmail.com Sun Apr 9 08:24:05 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Sun Apr 9 08:24:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler dapper packages In-Reply-To: <4438B11D.7010205@vtr.net> References: <4438B11D.7010205@vtr.net> Message-ID: On 4/9/06, francisco echeverria wrote: > 02:50:34.320 New MIDI device lscp_create_midi_device: Error opening ALSA > sequencer (errno=0) my best guess is that you need to load the sequencer module - as root, type '/sbin/modprobe snd-seq'. there's a way to make this change stick through reboots, but i can't remember it. -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sun Apr 9 09:03:50 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sun Apr 9 08:57:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: <1144585165.13916.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4438D973.1080304@linuxuse.de> <1144585165.13916.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44390636.9060003@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul Davis schrieb: > On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 11:52 +0200, Hartmut Noack wrote: >>I hear quite often, that there comes a lot of Extratrouble with using >>64versions of Linux. Especially, that most Apps are not optimized for >>and thus run in a Legacy-Mode, that is slower then running them on a >>32bitCPU. > > > This is not true. Its important that myths like this do not spread. > > What is true is that it is not possible to use shared objects compiled > for one word size with host apps compiled for another. So the claim, that Software must be optimized for 64bit at sourcecode-level, to run really better on 64bit then on 32bit is incorrect? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEOQY21Aecwva1SWMRAhrgAJ0V8e/wuJ6jztPCxSXDMSu2RxB0bQCgjhEk EJB9IvdsMCO3EXD7vVmGGCA= =2iaQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Apr 9 09:02:59 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Apr 9 09:03:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: <4438D973.1080304@linuxuse.de> References: <4438D973.1080304@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: On 4/9/06, Hartmut Noack wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > i?d like to ask too :-) > > BJaY schrieb: > > > for. I'm thinking of AMD64 > > I hear quite often, that there comes a lot of Extratrouble with using > 64versions of Linux. Especially, that most Apps are not optimized for > and thus run in a Legacy-Mode, that is slower then running them on a > 32bitCPU. ??? crap. Legacy-Mode? You can run the amd64's fine in 32 bit mode or a p4 (emt64) fine in 32 bit mode. However both run faster in 64 bit mode and nearly all apps are fine with this. I very, very rarely run into any probs with 64 vs 32 bit apps. Of course stuff like wine vsti is off the menu though. My only issue is the crap ati mobo i'm stuck with.... Loki From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Apr 9 09:14:33 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun Apr 9 09:10:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: <44390636.9060003@linuxuse.de> References: <4438D973.1080304@linuxuse.de> <1144585165.13916.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44390636.9060003@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <1144588473.13916.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 15:03 +0200, Hartmut Noack wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Paul Davis schrieb: > > On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 11:52 +0200, Hartmut Noack wrote: > >>I hear quite often, that there comes a lot of Extratrouble with using > >>64versions of Linux. Especially, that most Apps are not optimized for > >>and thus run in a Legacy-Mode, that is slower then running them on a > >>32bitCPU. > > > > > > This is not true. Its important that myths like this do not spread. > > > > What is true is that it is not possible to use shared objects compiled > > for one word size with host apps compiled for another. > > So the claim, that Software must be optimized for 64bit at > sourcecode-level, to run really better on 64bit then on 32bit is incorrect? in general yes. there are a few very specialized things that one can do at the source code level to get improved performance from a 64 bit platform, but they don't affect audio software much since we deal with floating point data in general. From ivalladolidt at terra.es Sun Apr 9 09:41:11 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Sun Apr 9 09:38:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine In-Reply-To: <20060409101756.GD9090@fliwatut.scifi> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> <1144338496.2866.60.camel@mindpipe> <1144339207.14746.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> <56652bc0604060921r2d294b3fu62fa61ae176d1380@mail.gmail.com> <1144349141.2866.82.camel@mindpipe> <20060408144156.GB9090@fliwatut.scifi> <1144510495.22490.141.camel@mindpipe> <20060409101756.GD9090@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060409134111.GA1571339@rebeca> Frank Barknecht escribe: > Pd now is in its tenth year of existence (not counting its > predecessors like Max or Patcher) and in several places it doesn't > follow what today is viewed as good practice, and there sure is room > for improvement. Was Max a direct predecessor of Pd? Cordially, Ismael -- She wants a better sex? All you need's here! http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060409/9e60028a/attachment.bin From ivalladolidt at terra.es Sun Apr 9 09:46:52 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Sun Apr 9 09:43:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060409134652.GB1571339@rebeca> BJaY escribe: > I've just managed to lay my hands on enough cash to upgrade to a decent > computer for audio, and I haven't got a clue as to which motherboard to go > for. I'm thinking of AMD64 3700+1Gig RAM (I use big sound fonts). I'm a > little confused by the motherboard blurb, there seem to be loads of boards > with similar specs but very different prices. If anyone could help with the > following questions I'd be grateful (sorry if some of them are a bit OT): I'd stick to Asus, whichever model you take you can't get a better mobo IMHO. > Is integrated graphics still bad ? Will I run into driver availability > problems if I'm stuck with O/B graphics ? Will memory bandwidth be a problem > ? Well, I'm a kind of a late adopter guy who always looks for more or less old Matrox MGA adapters when building a computer. Their display quality and stability can't be beaten. I'm not a fellowed 3D user. > Do I want to pay extra for SATA 2 ? Well, the faster the disk I/O the better, I guess... > Is AMD still better for Audio ? I'll be using loads of LADSPA effects. Is > there a value for AMD's advantage with the De-Norm problems ? AMD mobos are right now good enough for audio, which didn't use to be. I'd stick to AMD for a homebuilt system. Better prices, very high performance. > Is processor cache size an issue for digital audio ? Do I need to go for the > processors with larger cache's ? Yes it's as far as I know but I never have a look at that spec! > Is NFORCE4 chipset OK now ? It seems to be on alot of the cheap > motherboards. I don't know and also would like to know. > Can I still use my old ATI Rage Pro AGP on the new motherboards with AGP x4 > and x8, is there a bandwidth penalty anywhere for using an older card ? Yes you can. As far as AGP is a separate PCI bus you shouldn't notice. You can even in most cases disable IRQ for your AGP bus and save it for a PCI card. Of course I'd like to be corrected if I'm misunderstanding something. Cordially, Ismael -- PLEASE CALL +27 83-510-3637 ( Auditor of NEDBANK) http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Personally I run Debian, but I liked Yellowdog > > > too when I used that. > > > > Debian runs lovely on an Apple Mac and if brave enough running sid > > you'll have decently recent enough kernels and audio apps available > > with no need for compiling. > > Is that using rlimits + pam changes, or is there a realtime LSM available? I only said "decent enough". :) I had to compile my own kernel with Ingo Molnar's patches and also patch libpam-modules, but that didn't take me more than one morning. > > > > The graphics driver can cause latency problems without the right kernel > > > configuration, or kernel patches. This used to bite me (Radeon Mobility M7). > > > > Yes. Also it looks like regarding latency kernels for x86 are better > > tuned than those for ppc but this could be only a personal feeling. > > It's not just your feeling, I think hardly anyone test ppc kernels for > their latency. Well, we ppc kernel users would love to help testing... > > > > As for outboard: try to get stuff that is big-endian too. I've had to get or > > > make patches to deal with endian-ness after getting a litte-endian Edirol > > > UA-25. Those are not all official yet. > > > > !!! > > Not sure what you want to say here, so I guess its "thanks for the good > work!!!" :) I'm hoping the jackd patch will be included soon, as it seems > Paul is gearing up for LAC... Yes, I meant "never heard about that" but also "thanks for the good work". Have I told you lately that "thanks for the good work"? :) Cordially, Ismael -- Super Viagra (Cialis) http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think I'll get a card rather than O/B graphics for flexibility. Really fancy that 8 opteron box but well ... my bank manager and I had seem to have different idea's about fiscal policy. As far as SATA II is concerned, I thought it would have an advantage for many high bit rate tracks. But the spin speeds and seek times don't seem to have changed much in the last few years so I guess the bottleneck has moved to the mechanics rather than the interface ? Thanks again, Bruce. From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Apr 9 10:55:36 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Apr 9 10:55:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OSC service exploration/enumeration/discovery etc Message-ID: Hi all, Is there anything in the works about this or any progress happening about it? I'm keen on having something workable for browsing what things can be controlled in khagan. It would be a huge plus over midi if we could actually get this working. Loki From ivalladolidt at terra.es Sun Apr 9 11:07:10 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Sun Apr 9 11:04:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <1144585165.13916.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060409150710.GB1648879@rebeca> BJaY escribe: > As far as SATA II is concerned, I thought it would have an advantage > for many high bit rate tracks. But the spin speeds and seek times > don't seem to have changed much in the last few years so I guess the > bottleneck has moved to the mechanics rather than the interface ? The bottleneck should always be there! Cordially, Ismael -- CONGRATULATION !!! YOU HAVE WON http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The Premium is an nForce4 chipset (well supported these days) and includes passive cooling on the north and southbridges. Otherwise, I've had good luck with the ATI Xpress 3200 based Asus A8R32-MVP, but only with newer kernels. The ATI chipset runs much cooler than the nforce4 beast, and you might be able to get away with less noisy fans in the system. later, Steve From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Apr 9 11:33:05 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Apr 9 11:33:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1144596786.22490.192.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 20:56 +0100, BJaY wrote: > Is NFORCE4 chipset OK now ? It seems to be on alot of the cheap > motherboards. Avoid the Nvidia CK804 chipset, it seems to be buggy (AC3 passthrough for the onboard sound can't be supported due to lack of docs, and the SATA controller causes massive latencies if more than 2 drives are connected to the bus). Lee From fbar at footils.org Sun Apr 9 11:59:23 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Apr 9 11:59:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine In-Reply-To: <20060409134111.GA1571339@rebeca> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> <1144338496.2866.60.camel@mindpipe> <1144339207.14746.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> <56652bc0604060921r2d294b3fu62fa61ae176d1380@mail.gmail.com> <1144349141.2866.82.camel@mindpipe> <20060408144156.GB9090@fliwatut.scifi> <1144510495.22490.141.camel@mindpipe> <20060409101756.GD9090@fliwatut.scifi> <20060409134111.GA1571339@rebeca> Message-ID: <20060409155922.GA17689@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Ismael Valladolid Torres hat gesagt: // Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Frank Barknecht escribe: > > Pd now is in its tenth year of existence (not counting its > > predecessors like Max or Patcher) and in several places it doesn't > > follow what today is viewed as good practice, and there sure is room > > for improvement. > > Was Max a direct predecessor of Pd? Yes and no, it's a slightly complicated relationship that's maybe best described as Max, the older brother, and Pd, the younger, uglier and smarter sister with glasses. ;) You may want to read http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Publications/dartmouth-reprint.dir/ a nice paper by Miller Puckette about Max at age 17. Miller S. Puckette invented Max at IRCAM in the 80s. In the early 1990s a commercial version of the program (developed and extended by David Zicarelli) was released by Opcode Systems, now Cycling 74. When Miller left IRCAM, the institute more or less claimed that IRCAM Max was their sole property. So Miller started Pd as a new, open source software, mentioned first in 1996 in an ICMC-paper. The DSP part of Pd was later included in Opcode/Cycling Max as the "Max Signal Processing" extension, short MSP (which incidentally are the initials of Miller's name as well). This is possible because Pd's license is a BSD-ish license which also allows closed-source derivatives. IRCAM Max OTOH was transformed to become open source as jMax and then it died. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Apr 9 12:50:47 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Apr 9 12:50:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <44383AE8.5040401@gmx.de> Message-ID: On 4/10/06, Stephen Hassard wrote: > On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:22:11 -0700, Loki Davison > wrote: > > I am also looking for another mobo of the crashing much less type. > > Does anyone have a recommendation i.e model number of a known working > > well for low latency board? What do people on here with amd64 use? > > Asus nvidia based boards are easy to get here, though other brands > > seem less common. Need pci-e and sata. > > Take a look at the Asus A8N-SLI Premium (*NOT* the Deluxe). The Premium is > an nForce4 chipset (well supported these days) and includes passive > cooling on the north and southbridges. Otherwise, I've had good luck with > the ATI Xpress 3200 based Asus A8R32-MVP, but only with newer kernels. The > ATI chipset runs much cooler than the nforce4 beast, and you might be able > to get away with less noisy fans in the system. > > later, > Steve Is there a reason for going with an SLI board? I've got one nvidia pci-e and it's okay for my needs. Would the Asus A8N-E or A8N5X be okay? Or even the A8N-SLI (not deluxe or premium)? The premium is a whole lot more expensive. What kernel is okay with the ati chipset? I'm running 2.6.12 with daily hard lockups. Memory checks out fine in memtest and i've tried it with a few graphics cards so i'm assuming it's the board. Loki From steve at hassard.net Sun Apr 9 12:57:26 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Sun Apr 9 12:57:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <44383AE8.5040401@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:50:47 -0700, Loki Davison wrote: > Is there a reason for going with an SLI board? I've got one nvidia > pci-e and it's okay for my needs. Would the Asus A8N-E or A8N5X be > okay? Or even the A8N-SLI (not deluxe or premium)? The premium is a > whole lot more expensive. No particular reason why going for a SLI board (other than the fact you'll have more available PCI-Express lanes in the future), but the biggest difference is the passive cooling system on the Premium board. The northbridge fans on the A8N-E are horribly noisy and have a good history of having a short lifetime. Definitely get a board with passive cooling. Your ears (and mics) will thank you. > What kernel is okay with the ati chipset? I'm running 2.6.12 with > daily hard lockups. Memory checks out fine in memtest and i've tried > it with a few graphics cards so i'm assuming it's the board. You'll probably need something in the 2.6.15 to 2.6.16 area. Yep, they're super new and most distros don't include one this new (yet). The 2x clock tick problem was solved around 2.6.15 and was a fault in the linux APIC implementation and not the chipset itself. I've had mixed results with the RS480 chipset (ATI w/ integrated video), but the RD480 and RD580 have been great (particularly with the SIS southbridge that supports AHCI for SATA). later, Steve From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Apr 9 13:25:57 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Apr 9 13:26:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <44383AE8.5040401@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1144603558.22490.195.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 09:57 -0700, Stephen Hassard wrote: > The 2x clock tick problem was solved around 2.6.15 and was a fault in > the linux APIC implementation and not the chipset itself. It was actually a little of both - ATI produced a device that was not completely backwards compatible and did not lift a finger to fix the problem so it took quite a while to fix. Lee From dsbaikov at gmail.com Sun Apr 9 14:46:28 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Sun Apr 9 14:46:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OSC service exploration/enumeration/discovery etc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70a871c80604091146t235fdd00s74b8e73b7e75ea36@mail.gmail.com> Should we adopt Zeroconf/mDNS? From paniq at paniq.org Sun Apr 9 15:57:26 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Sun Apr 9 15:45:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: mjoo 0.0.5 released Message-ID: <1144612646.8234.10.camel@zeitgeist> mjoo 0.0.5 has just been released. http://www.mjoo.org I extended the LADSPA plugin controllers with helper lines that visualize parameter values through angle and distance. ALSA Sequencer and DSSI plugin support is now in, although FluidSynth and XSynth aren't working at the moment. Loading/Saving should now work well. mjoo autoconnects to the alsa pcm out and ins now. A lot of bugs have been fixed. -- -- leonard "paniq" ritter -- http://www.mjoo.org -- http://www.paniq.org From franciscoecheverria at vtr.net Sun Apr 9 15:47:07 2006 From: franciscoecheverria at vtr.net (francisco echeverria) Date: Sun Apr 9 15:47:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: linuxsampler dapper packages In-Reply-To: <20060409125714.76090F9FF72@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060409125714.76090F9FF72@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <443964BB.5000805@vtr.net> > > On 4/9/06, francisco echeverria wrote: > >> > 02:50:34.320 New MIDI device lscp_create_midi_device: Error opening ALSA >> > sequencer (errno=0) >> > > my best guess is that you need to load the sequencer module - as root, > type '/sbin/modprobe snd-seq'. there's a way to make this change > stick through reboots, but i can't remember it. > > i think this is done... if i do "lsmod | grep snd" i get: snd_seq_dummy 3716 0 snd_seq_oss 35392 0 snd_seq_midi 8800 0 snd_seq_midi_event 7424 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi snd_seq 51664 6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_rawmidi 23840 3 snd_seq_midi,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_ens1371 snd_seq_device 8396 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi snd_timer 22916 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd 51684 15 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_mpu401,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_ens1371,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer pancho@ubuntu:~$ lsmod | grep snd snd_seq_dummy 3716 0 snd_seq_oss 35392 0 snd_seq_midi 8800 0 snd_seq_midi_event 7424 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi snd_seq 51664 6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_mpu401 6408 0 snd_mpu401_uart 7744 1 snd_mpu401 snd_ens1371 23456 1 gameport 17992 2 analog,snd_ens1371 snd_rawmidi 23840 3 snd_seq_midi,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_ens1371 snd_seq_device 8396 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi snd_ac97_codec 94560 1 snd_ens1371 snd_pcm_oss 51104 0 snd_mixer_oss 17472 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 87492 3 snd_ens1371,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 22916 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd 51684 15 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_mpu401,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_ens1371,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 11104 1 snd snd_page_alloc 9352 1 snd_pcm snd_ac97_bus 2752 1 snd_ac97_codec i think i've got all sound modules loaded and all other related apps works fine From ix at replic.net Sun Apr 9 16:02:12 2006 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Sun Apr 9 16:02:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OSC service exploration/enumeration/discovery etc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060409200212.GA5360@replic.net> On Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 12:55:36AM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > Hi all, > Is there anything in the works about this or any progress happening > about it? I'm keen on having something workable for browsing what > things can be controlled in khagan. It would be a huge plus over midi > if we could actually get this working. > > Loki what about libOSCQS From ix at replic.net Sun Apr 9 16:06:40 2006 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Sun Apr 9 16:06:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: <4438F594.5090101@woh.rr.com> References: <4438D973.1080304@linuxuse.de> <4438F594.5090101@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060409200640.GB5360@replic.net> > I would like to know more about this topic (AMD64 performance) too Ron Kuper from Cakewalk has put up a whitepaper on the subject, the average gains are around 30% for a simple recompile to 64bit. theres twice as many general-purpose registers in 64bit mode, but that is offset slightly by increased memory bandwidth used for pointers etc.. heres the link: http://www.cakewalk.com/x64/whitepaper.asp From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun Apr 9 16:43:42 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun Apr 9 16:42:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] magic mastering tips needed In-Reply-To: <4437F8C9.6010603@gmail.com> References: <4433C940.7050203@gmail.com> <20060405183347.GK5963@pro-ns.net> <44367144.1010307@gmail.com> <4437F8C9.6010603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <443971FE.8000605@gmail.com> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Carlos Pino wrote: > >> Hi , just to say that I like the tune and the way it is played >> ,quiet and inspired.Very nice melody.I've enjoyed it a lot.Thank you >> very much for sharing. > > > Thanks for the kind words, and you're welcome :-) > >> Are you the sax player ? Dou you like Stan Getz? ;-) > > > I'm the piano player, Very good.I like very much the voicings you play. > but both me and the sax likes Getz. I think there are other saxophones > that Niels (my alto) sounds more like. Stitt would be one... > Sure,I was thinking about the way of the melodies that Niels plays,more than the sound of the instrument. I must listent Sonny Stitt. ;-) I hope to listen some more tunes from you. Thanks again. Saludos. Cheers. --Carlos. From capocasa at gmx.net Sun Apr 9 17:05:40 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sun Apr 9 17:06:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Nerds are sexy Message-ID: This one was VERY refreshing. Not that there is any new or even that much useful information in here, but it's nice to get some recognition in the main stream media. After all, even as a nerd, I remain a monkey, and am inherently worried about what the other monkeys think of me. http://www.gleemagazine.com/glee/article.cfm/cmi_1941672/cid_37 ;) Carlo From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Apr 9 17:56:23 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Apr 9 17:54:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Messing about with Hydrogen ... can be dangerous :) Message-ID: <20060409225623.7128b185@localhost> Does anyone know if there is a way to copy instruments from one drumkit in Hydrogen to another. Also is it possible to change the order of instruments in a existing kit? I do like Hydrogen but find the gui not exactly ideal. -- F From jamesmichaelmcdermott at gmail.com Sun Apr 9 17:57:51 2006 From: jamesmichaelmcdermott at gmail.com (James McDermott) Date: Sun Apr 9 17:57:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: <20060409095438.GE21138@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408171325.GE10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060409091146.3b52a3f9@localhost> <20060409095438.GE21138@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: I wrote: > It's Hit Me Baby One More Time > By Britney Spears Ok after listening to the hint it's pretty easy to tell what piece it's from and it's not Britney: BUT, you genuinely can sing "My loneliness is killing me..." over the bassline, eg from 0:25 to 0:36..! While on the subject of imagined links between pieces, one of the other J. Shuttleworth pieces I liked a lot was "Bent" - was it inspired by "Orion" by Metallica, I wonder? Anyway, thanks for sharing the pieces. James From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 9 19:07:44 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Sun Apr 9 19:07:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Nerds are sexy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443993C0.2050802@sbcglobal.net> >After all, even as a nerd, I remain a monkey, and am inherently worried >about what the other monkeys think of me. > > > Wow, your monkyhood is a startling confession indeed. Just the fact that you are able to type... i mean, it's not shakespear, but there is only one of you, carlo, so that disproves some probability illustration or another right there. Get down with your monky self. : ) From lau at ballen.fastmail.fm Sun Apr 9 19:58:50 2006 From: lau at ballen.fastmail.fm (Bill Allen) Date: Sun Apr 9 19:58:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Messing about with Hydrogen ... can be dangerous :) - while we're wishing. In-Reply-To: <20060409225623.7128b185@localhost> References: <20060409225623.7128b185@localhost> Message-ID: <44399FBA.7080800@ballen.fastmail.fm> Folderol wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a way to copy instruments from one drumkit > in Hydrogen to another. Also is it possible to change the order of > instruments in a existing kit? > > I do like Hydrogen but find the gui not exactly ideal. > > I also like hydrogen, but here's my wish: I would like to be able to create patterns of patterns. Merely looping on a song isn't enough. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Apr 9 20:15:29 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun Apr 9 20:11:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Messing about with Hydrogen ... can be dangerous :) - while we're wishing. In-Reply-To: <44399FBA.7080800@ballen.fastmail.fm> References: <20060409225623.7128b185@localhost> <44399FBA.7080800@ballen.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <1144628129.13916.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 19:58 -0400, Bill Allen wrote: > Folderol wrote: > > Does anyone know if there is a way to copy instruments from one drumkit > > in Hydrogen to another. Also is it possible to change the order of > > instruments in a existing kit? > > > > I do like Hydrogen but find the gui not exactly ideal. > > > > > I also like hydrogen, but here's my wish: I would like to be able to > create patterns of patterns. Merely looping on a song isn't enough. keykit, use its "techno" tool. not as pretty as hydrogen and all MIDI, but exactly the right principle. From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Apr 9 21:00:00 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Apr 9 21:00:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <44383AE8.5040401@gmx.de> Message-ID: On 4/10/06, Stephen Hassard wrote: > On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:50:47 -0700, Loki Davison > wrote: > > Is there a reason for going with an SLI board? I've got one nvidia > > pci-e and it's okay for my needs. Would the Asus A8N-E or A8N5X be > > okay? Or even the A8N-SLI (not deluxe or premium)? The premium is a > > whole lot more expensive. > > No particular reason why going for a SLI board (other than the fact you'll > have more available PCI-Express lanes in the future), but the biggest > difference is the passive cooling system on the Premium board. The > northbridge fans on the A8N-E are horribly noisy and have a good history > of having a short lifetime. Definitely get a board with passive cooling. > Your ears (and mics) will thank you. > > > What kernel is okay with the ati chipset? I'm running 2.6.12 with > > daily hard lockups. Memory checks out fine in memtest and i've tried > > it with a few graphics cards so i'm assuming it's the board. > > You'll probably need something in the 2.6.15 to 2.6.16 area. Yep, they're > super new and most distros don't include one this new (yet). The 2x clock > tick problem was solved around 2.6.15 and was a fault in the linux APIC > implementation and not the chipset itself. I've had mixed results with the > RS480 chipset (ATI w/ integrated video), but the RD480 and RD580 have been > great (particularly with the SIS southbridge that supports AHCI for SATA). > > later, > Steve > Ahh. i've got the RS480 ;-) though not using the onboard graphics as it's got no dvi out. I'll try with 2.6.16 and see how it goes though. Loki From ix at replic.net Sun Apr 9 21:13:23 2006 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Sun Apr 9 21:13:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <44383AE8.5040401@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20060410011323.GC5360@replic.net> > Ahh. i've got the RS480 ;-) though not using the onboard graphics as > it's got no dvi out. I'll try with 2.6.16 and see how it goes though. 2.6.17 (proabbly .16 as well) finally fixed the 'clock runs twice as fast as it should' bug that has plagued my RS480 notebook. MSI nor ATI has been able to issue any kind of definitive fix for the instability problems - the only solution is don't run PowerNow (the crash tends to happen in a speed state transition) or run the RAM at 333 instead of 400. i'd steer clear, maybe the bug is fixed in the 482 but who knows.. ATI doesnt have a very good track record with linux.. > > Loki From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Apr 9 21:23:52 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Apr 9 21:23:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OSC service exploration/enumeration/discovery etc In-Reply-To: <20060409200212.GA5360@replic.net> References: <20060409200212.GA5360@replic.net> Message-ID: On 4/10/06, carmen wrote: > On Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 12:55:36AM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > Hi all, > > Is there anything in the works about this or any progress happening > > about it? I'm keen on having something workable for browsing what > > things can be controlled in khagan. It would be a huge plus over midi > > if we could actually get this working. > > > > Loki > > what about libOSCQS > Looks like the tool for the job. It also makes me feel a lot better about how many people have downloaded khagan, that's been up since 2005-12-25 and only 2 downloads ;-) How come this has been explored at all yet? Lack of interest or what? Loki From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Apr 9 21:30:07 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Apr 9 21:30:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: <20060410011323.GC5360@replic.net> References: <44383AE8.5040401@gmx.de> <20060410011323.GC5360@replic.net> Message-ID: On 4/10/06, carmen wrote: > > Ahh. i've got the RS480 ;-) though not using the onboard graphics as > > it's got no dvi out. I'll try with 2.6.16 and see how it goes though. > > 2.6.17 (proabbly .16 as well) finally fixed the 'clock runs twice as fast as > it should' bug that has plagued my RS480 notebook. MSI nor ATI has been able > to issue any kind of definitive fix for the instability problems - the only > solution is don't run PowerNow (the crash tends to happen in a speed state > transition) or run the RAM at 333 instead of 400. i'd steer clear, maybe the > bug is fixed in the 482 but who knows.. ATI doesnt have a very good track > record with linux.. > > > > > > Loki > Well, somewhat happy to here it is the board that is screwed and not something else. I've never had an issue with the clock as in what time is kept, though i did have to patch jack with the dual core clock fix. It usually locks up when i have the machine under load so i'll try new kernel and no powernow. Loki From hans at fugal.net Sun Apr 9 23:06:42 2006 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Sun Apr 9 23:06:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Audio Wiki on port 2500 no more Message-ID: <20060410030642.GA25949@falcon.fugal.net> The wiki that was at http://fugal.net:2500 is no longer there. It now has its own subdomain: http://lawiki.fugal.net I would be perfectly happy to entertain a more dedicated domain name, or more appropriate subdomain of an existing domain, if someone wants to foot the bill. If I can figure out how in a short amount of time, I'll put up a redirect at the old address. -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060409/20adece3/attachment.bin From james at dis-dot-dat.net Mon Apr 10 03:32:57 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Mon Apr 10 03:33:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: References: <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408171325.GE10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060409091146.3b52a3f9@localhost> <20060409095438.GE21138@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060410073255.GA8392@phlunky.Belkin> On Sun, 09 Apr, 2006 at 10:57PM +0100, James McDermott spake thus: > I wrote: > > > It's Hit Me Baby One More Time > > > By Britney Spears > > Ok after listening to the hint it's pretty easy to tell what piece > it's from and it's not Britney: BUT, you genuinely can sing "My > loneliness is killing me..." over the bassline, eg from 0:25 to > 0:36..! > > While on the subject of imagined links between pieces, one of the > other J. Shuttleworth pieces I liked a lot was "Bent" - was it > inspired by "Orion" by Metallica, I wonder? Anyway, thanks for sharing > the pieces. No, no metallica influence. Not directly, anyway - who knows how snippets of songs and background music from radios affects what we do? I would never intentionally listen to metallica, though :) > James -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk Mon Apr 10 06:57:21 2006 From: errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk (Martin Habets) Date: Mon Apr 10 06:57:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OSC service exploration/enumeration/discovery etc In-Reply-To: References: <20060409200212.GA5360@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060410105721.GA5544@palantir8> On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 11:23:52AM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > On 4/10/06, carmen wrote: > > On Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 12:55:36AM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > Is there anything in the works about this or any progress happening > > > about it? I'm keen on having something workable for browsing what > > > things can be controlled in khagan. It would be a huge plus over midi > > > if we could actually get this working. > > > > > > Loki > > > > what about libOSCQS > > > > Looks like the tool for the job. It also makes me feel a lot better > about how many people have downloaded khagan, that's been up since > 2005-12-25 and only 2 downloads ;-) How come this has been explored at > all yet? Lack of interest or what? My hope is it's the trickle before the flood. If there are only a few applications available supporting the OSCQS there can't be a lot of interaction going on. I think that is one thing hampering adoption. Some other people are just not interested in providing a query interface, and rather promise good documentation. When time allows I am currently working on a tool to find/display all ZeroConf clients in a network, since I did not find a Linux version of that. Anyone know of such a tool? It would be great if someting could discover all audio-related clients in a network, and then hook them all up somehow. I think a lot of utilities are in place to do this, but no overall program. Or as I'd say: we have the ingedients but still have to make the soup. For libOSCQS, a 1.0 version is slowly progressing. 1.0 since it has some API changes, nothing too dramatic. -- Martin From dsbaikov at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 07:05:30 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Mon Apr 10 07:05:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OSC service exploration/enumeration/discovery etc In-Reply-To: <20060410105721.GA5544@palantir8> References: <20060409200212.GA5360@replic.net> <20060410105721.GA5544@palantir8> Message-ID: <70a871c80604100405r44d706b9j4aac52983cd4a7bf@mail.gmail.com> > When time allows I am currently working on a tool to find/display all ZeroConf > clients in a network, since I did not find a Linux version of that. > Anyone know of such a tool? avahi-browse From nescivi at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 07:57:55 2006 From: nescivi at gmail.com (Marije Baalman) Date: Mon Apr 10 07:58:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Khagan 0.1 released. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443A4843.1040907@gmail.com> Hi Loki, Loki Davison wrote: > Please let me know if you run into troubles using/installing khagan or > if you just want to suggest new features, etc. > I got it installed and running... I just wanted to ask: is it possible to send it OSC messages as well, in case a parameter was changed from another application? I'm interested in using this interface for SuperCollider, and find it useful to both have a way of controlling audio from Khagan, as well as using it to reflect the current state of a certain parameter. sincerely, Marije From nescivi at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 08:06:56 2006 From: nescivi at gmail.com (Marije Baalman) Date: Mon Apr 10 08:07:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Khagan 0.1 released. In-Reply-To: <443A4843.1040907@gmail.com> References: <443A4843.1040907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <443A4A60.1050400@gmail.com> Hi Loki, one more question: would it be possible to add an option to start khagan with a file to load? e.g. so that: "khagan.py mycoolgui.kh" automatically starts khagan and opens mycoolgui.kh? sincerely, Marije From denisfalqueto at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 09:04:46 2006 From: denisfalqueto at gmail.com (Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto) Date: Mon Apr 10 09:04:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: <20060409094944.GC21138@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408171325.GE10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060409094944.GC21138@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: On 4/9/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > I have to ask: what are Brazil nuts called in brazil? Just "nuts"? Hmm, not quite sure what you mean with Brazil nuts here... Is it like in "Are you nut?" I see in the dictionary that nut can have lots of meanings and one very funny (the las one, I didn't know): http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=nut And we have lots of kinds of nuts, in the sense of a hard-shelled fruit, if this is what you mean. > Thanks for listening in enough detail to give good feedback. I don't > tend to revisit tracks (although I might with this because of that > duff note) but it all feeds into future work. Oh, don't bother changing it to my suggestion. It's a matter of listenning it more to get used to the feeling of the song. You can be sure that I'll be listenning it for a long time. > > Best regards. -- ------------------------------------------- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto ------------------------------------------- From james at dis-dot-dat.net Mon Apr 10 09:19:39 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Mon Apr 10 09:19:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408171325.GE10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060409094944.GC21138@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060410131939.GA8283@phlunky.Belkin> On Mon, 10 Apr, 2006 at 10:04AM -0300, Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto spake thus: > On 4/9/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > I have to ask: what are Brazil nuts called in brazil? Just "nuts"? > > Hmm, not quite sure what you mean with Brazil nuts here... Is it like > in "Are you nut?" I see in the dictionary that nut can have lots of > meanings and one very funny (the las one, I didn't know): Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_nut > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=nut > > And we have lots of kinds of nuts, in the sense of a hard-shelled > fruit, if this is what you mean. > > > Thanks for listening in enough detail to give good feedback. I don't > > tend to revisit tracks (although I might with this because of that > > duff note) but it all feeds into future work. > > Oh, don't bother changing it to my suggestion. It's a matter of > listenning it more to get used to the feeling of the song. You can be > sure that I'll be listenning it for a long time. > > > > Best regards. > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 09:46:36 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Apr 10 09:46:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Khagan 0.1 released. In-Reply-To: <443A4A60.1050400@gmail.com> References: <443A4843.1040907@gmail.com> <443A4A60.1050400@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/10/06, Marije Baalman wrote: > Hi Loki, > > one more question: > > would it be possible to add an option to start khagan with a file to load? > e.g. so that: > "khagan.py mycoolgui.kh" > automatically starts khagan and opens mycoolgui.kh? > > sincerely, > Marije > The 2 way control feature is already in the todo, i just added your request to the top of the todo and it should be done in svn in the next day or to. http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=Khagan_Todo If you have any other requests please add them to the suggestions section of the todo, i've got quite a lot of spare time at the moment and i'll get onto most things pretty soon ;-) Loki From denisfalqueto at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 11:24:19 2006 From: denisfalqueto at gmail.com (Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto) Date: Mon Apr 10 11:24:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: <20060410131939.GA8283@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060408100600.GA10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408171325.GE10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060409094944.GC21138@phlunky.Belkin> <20060410131939.GA8283@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: On 4/10/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_nut Oh, that one. There are other types of nuts here and I didn't know how they were named in english. That is the "castanha do Par?". "Castanha" is the portuguese for chestnut and "do Par?" means that it is from the state of Par?, a federation state here in Brazil, which belongs to the Amazon ecosystem. Of course, it occours in all the Amazonic region. The pronounce of "castanha" has a gotcha: the "nha" is pronounced as ?a in spanish (hard to explain in text form). And Par? has the last syllable as the strong one. -- ------------------------------------------- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto ------------------------------------------- From james at dis-dot-dat.net Mon Apr 10 11:36:53 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Mon Apr 10 11:37:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: References: <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408171325.GE10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060409094944.GC21138@phlunky.Belkin> <20060410131939.GA8283@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060410153653.GA28142@phlunky.Belkin> On Mon, 10 Apr, 2006 at 12:24PM -0300, Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto spake thus: > On 4/10/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_nut > > Oh, that one. There are other types of nuts here and I didn't know how > they were named in english. That is the "castanha do Par?". "Castanha" > is the portuguese for chestnut and "do Par?" means that it is from the > state of Par?, a federation state here in Brazil, which belongs to the > Amazon ecosystem. Of course, it occours in all the Amazonic region. > The pronounce of "castanha" has a gotcha: the "nha" is pronounced as > ?a in spanish (hard to explain in text form). And Par? has the last > syllable as the strong one. Woo! I learned stuff! In the UK, we call them Brazil nuts. They're nice covered in chocolate. Mmmm. -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From denisfalqueto at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 11:45:14 2006 From: denisfalqueto at gmail.com (Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto) Date: Mon Apr 10 11:45:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: <20060410153653.GA28142@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408171325.GE10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060409094944.GC21138@phlunky.Belkin> <20060410131939.GA8283@phlunky.Belkin> <20060410153653.GA28142@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: On 4/10/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > In the UK, we call them Brazil nuts. They're nice covered in > chocolate. Mmmm. Hmm, never tried with chocolate. Good idea! Must be delicious... 8-] I learnd too! Thanks! -- ------------------------------------------- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto ------------------------------------------- From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Apr 10 11:52:07 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon Apr 10 11:52:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: <20060410153653.GA28142@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060410153653.GA28142@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <200604101752.08074.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Monday 10 April 2006 17:36, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Mon, 10 Apr, 2006 at 12:24PM -0300, Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto spake thus: > > On 4/10/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_nut > > > > Oh, that one. There are other types of nuts here and I didn't know how > > they were named in english. That is the "castanha do Par?". "Castanha" > > is the portuguese for chestnut and "do Par?" means that it is from the > > state of Par?, a federation state here in Brazil, which belongs to the > > Amazon ecosystem. Of course, it occours in all the Amazonic region. > > The pronounce of "castanha" has a gotcha: the "nha" is pronounced as > > ?a in spanish (hard to explain in text form). And Par? has the last > > syllable as the strong one. > > Woo! I learned stuff! > > In the UK, we call them Brazil nuts. They're nice covered in > chocolate. Mmmm. Hopefully not with the hard, very hard, outer shells. Nigel BTW. Thanks for persona_grata. That is one really good track, and man the bass. I had to turn the bass knob way down on my DJ mixer out of fear of rattling the cones to pieces. From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Apr 10 13:08:50 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Apr 10 13:09:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: Nerds are sexy In-Reply-To: <443993C0.2050802@sbcglobal.net> References: <443993C0.2050802@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: > Wow, your monkyhood is a startling confession indeed. Just the fact > that you are able to type... i mean, it's not shakespear, but there is > only one of you, carlo, so that disproves some probability illustration > or another right there. Get down with your monky self. : ) I'm pretty sure after listening to this http://www.christopherleestreet.com/ftp/random/dance_monkeys_dance.swf you will know more than you want to about the monkey world, and have an extra insight or two to boot! Carlo, buster of Bananas, Rocker of Rolls From dana at ubuntustudio.com Mon Apr 10 14:10:44 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Mon Apr 10 14:09:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new piece of music In-Reply-To: <20060410073255.GA8392@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060408123402.7e2eaa0f@localhost> <20060408121139.GB10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408125538.GA5084@linux-1> <20060408131205.GD10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060408171325.GE10374@phlunky.Belkin> <20060409091146.3b52a3f9@localhost> <20060409095438.GE21138@phlunky.Belkin> <20060410073255.GA8392@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <1144692644.18546.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 08:32 +0100, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Sun, 09 Apr, 2006 at 10:57PM +0100, James McDermott spake thus: > > I wrote: > > > > > It's Hit Me Baby One More Time > > > > > By Britney Spears > > > > Ok after listening to the hint it's pretty easy to tell what piece > > it's from and it's not Britney: BUT, you genuinely can sing "My > > loneliness is killing me..." over the bassline, eg from 0:25 to > > 0:36..! > > > > While on the subject of imagined links between pieces, one of the > > other J. Shuttleworth pieces I liked a lot was "Bent" - was it > > inspired by "Orion" by Metallica, I wonder? Anyway, thanks for sharing > > the pieces. > > No, no metallica influence. Not directly, anyway - who knows how > snippets of songs and background music from radios affects what we do? > I would never intentionally listen to metallica, though :) Hahaha! James++ (Megadeth rules!) I listened to your song to hear if I could hear any Orion influence, but I didn't hear it. :) Dana -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They're nice covered in > chocolate. Mmmm. Homer: I have a bladder the size of a Brazil nut. Taxi Driver: We just call them nuts here. Lee From patrickkidd.lists at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 15:08:11 2006 From: patrickkidd.lists at gmail.com (Patrick Stinson) Date: Mon Apr 10 15:08:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine In-Reply-To: <1144339207.14746.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <664bf2b80604060514w2979b330y6435eef532912ef7@mail.gmail.com> <1144338496.2866.60.camel@mindpipe> <1144339207.14746.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <664bf2b80604101208w55193365u1b606bca36b489bf@mail.gmail.com> Paul, I just wanted to throw another simple thank you your way for ardour. I started saving my girfriend valuable studio time when we started using it yesterday for her album, and I continue to be impressed with it. terrific! On 4/6/06, Paul Davis wrote: > On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 11:48 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 04:14 -0800, Patrick Stinson wrote: > > > I've been looking for a high-performance music engine. It must have an > > > asynchronous control (socket, pipe?) mechanism to seperate the > > > application from the audio thread. > > > > > > I'm looking for: > > > > > > start/stop samples on the beat > > > scaled tempo control across all samples > > > volume > > > effects? > > > easily wrappable (I'll write extensions, implement protocol > > > plugins...) with python > > > > > > I'm trying to write something like ableton live without writing an > > > engine all over again. FMODex would be *perfect* if it had a > > > well-defined tempo/beat/sync interface. > > > > > > > I think FreeWheeling might be the closest thing to Live that exists for > > Linux, have you looked at it? > > Freewheeling is *so* unlike Live its hard to even link the two. Just for > a start, Live is organized around a timeline, Freewheeling is not. > > -- Patrick Kidd Stinson http://www.patrickkidd.com/ http://pkaudio.sourceforge.net/ http://pksampler.sourceforge.net/ From franciscoecheverria at vtr.net Mon Apr 10 15:36:02 2006 From: franciscoecheverria at vtr.net (francisco echeverria) Date: Mon Apr 10 15:36:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: linuxsampler dapper packages In-Reply-To: <20060409194720.68D24FAEDB8@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060409194720.68D24FAEDB8@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <443AB3A2.2010703@vtr.net> After a general recompile (debian way) of linuxsampler and related packages i get no success, so i downloaded precompiled .deb packages from demudi 1.3.0 repository and now evrething works :-) From ce at christeck.de Mon Apr 10 16:35:40 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Apr 10 16:34:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdd-recording In-Reply-To: <20060410181911.GA12809@morphius> References: <20060409194720.A846CFAEDBA@music.columbia.edu> <20060410181911.GA12809@morphius> Message-ID: <200604102235.40633.ce@christeck.de> > i want to record bristol-output to hdd, but i don't know how. I didn't check if Bristol runs on top of JACK, but if so it's simple using qarecord, timemachine, Ardour or a sequencer like Rosegarden or MusE. Best regards ce From carotinobg at yahoo.it Mon Apr 10 17:36:09 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Mon Apr 10 17:34:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: <1144585165.13916.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4438D973.1080304@linuxuse.de> <1144585165.13916.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200604102336.10115.carotinobg@yahoo.it> hi! Alle 14:19, domenica 9 aprile 2006, Paul Davis ha scritto: > > I hear quite often, that there comes a lot of Extratrouble with using > > 64versions of Linux. Especially, that most Apps are not optimized for > > and thus run in a Legacy-Mode, that is slower then running them on a > > 32bitCPU. > > This is not true. Its important that myths like this do not spread. > > What is true is that it is not possible to use shared objects compiled > for one word size with host apps compiled for another. So, if you run > your amd64 processor(s) in 64 bit mode, you will not have > flash/shockwave inside firefox since there are not 64 bit plugin > versions available. But do I have to run a 64bit distro on a system running at 64bit? I'm too trying to save money for buying a new system:) Byez! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From steve at pro-ns.net Mon Apr 10 17:48:18 2006 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Mon Apr 10 17:48:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Click/pop filtering Message-ID: <20060410214818.GB5847@pro-ns.net> LAUsers, Google didn't get me too far, so I'll ask here. I've got a sizeable number of vinyl records I want to digitize. Grammofile or whatever it's called has some filters in it for pops and clicks. Is there anything newer for this sort of use? Did anyone ever convert grammofile's filter algorithms to LADSPA or similar, or come up with something even better? Anybody who currently does this and has an established method they use that they could share, feel free to speak up! Thanks in advance! --> Steve Wahl -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net "On this employee survey form, it asks, 'Do you trust your manager?' If I trust him to do the wrong thing, is that a 'yes'?" From adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr Mon Apr 10 17:51:15 2006 From: adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr (Adrien DANIEL) Date: Mon Apr 10 17:51:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25 and low-latency Message-ID: <20060410235115.pn0ulve5l7kkg4sc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Hello ! I am a lot interested by the Edirol UA-25. I think I will buy it ! :) But before, I would like to know if some of you have tried it, have known issues with it or not, were or were not able to get a low-latency with JACK (64, 32 or 16 frames/period)... etc... Thank you very much to share your experience with me, I need feedbacks as soon as possible ! AD From jstutters at jeremah.co.uk Mon Apr 10 18:07:57 2006 From: jstutters at jeremah.co.uk (Jonny Stutters) Date: Mon Apr 10 18:08:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25 and low-latency In-Reply-To: <20060410235115.pn0ulve5l7kkg4sc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> References: <20060410235115.pn0ulve5l7kkg4sc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Message-ID: <443AD73D.5010507@jeremah.co.uk> Adrien DANIEL wrote: > Hello ! > > I am a lot interested by the Edirol UA-25. I think I will buy it ! :) > But before, I would like to know if some of you have tried it, have > known issues with it or not, were or were not able to get a low-latency > with JACK (64, 32 or 16 frames/period)... etc... > > Thank you very much to share your experience with me, I need feedbacks > as soon as possible ! It's been fine for me so far (reliable enough for gigs). Jack latency is 10.6ms, can't remember the frames/period for that off the top of my head. The response is fast enough for keyboard playing and live input processing. To get that without xruns I had to use a fully-preemptible kernel. I'd recommend it for getting sound in and out a laptop. -- Jonny Music - http://jeremah.co.uk News - http://voxpolis.com From reuben.m at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 18:12:36 2006 From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin) Date: Mon Apr 10 18:12:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Click/pop filtering In-Reply-To: <20060410214818.GB5847@pro-ns.net> References: <20060410214818.GB5847@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: Gnome wave cleaner: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gwc/ On 4/10/06, Steve Wahl wrote: > LAUsers, > > Google didn't get me too far, so I'll ask here. > > I've got a sizeable number of vinyl records I want to digitize. > Grammofile or whatever it's called has some filters in it for pops and > clicks. Is there anything newer for this sort of use? Did anyone > ever convert grammofile's filter algorithms to LADSPA or similar, or > come up with something even better? > > Anybody who currently does this and has an established method they use > that they could share, feel free to speak up! > > Thanks in advance! > > --> Steve Wahl > -- > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > > "On this employee survey form, it asks, 'Do you trust your manager?' > If I trust him to do the wrong thing, is that a 'yes'?" > From illth at gmx.de Mon Apr 10 18:15:18 2006 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Mon Apr 10 18:15:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: <200604102336.10115.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <4438D973.1080304@linuxuse.de> <1144585165.13916.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200604102336.10115.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <443AD8F6.7070107@gmx.de> Carotinho wrote: > hi! > > Alle 14:19, domenica 9 aprile 2006, Paul Davis ha scritto: > >>> I hear quite often, that there comes a lot of Extratrouble with using >>> 64versions of Linux. Especially, that most Apps are not optimized for >>> and thus run in a Legacy-Mode, that is slower then running them on a >>> 32bitCPU. >>> >> This is not true. Its important that myths like this do not spread. >> >> What is true is that it is not possible to use shared objects compiled >> for one word size with host apps compiled for another. So, if you run >> your amd64 processor(s) in 64 bit mode, you will not have >> flash/shockwave inside firefox since there are not 64 bit plugin >> versions available. >> > > But do I have to run a 64bit distro on a system running at 64bit? > I'm too trying to save money for buying a new system:) > no, x64 cpus run 32bit oses just perfectly. else noone would buy an x64 processor, cause most people run combined 16/32 bit oses (windows). but if you run a 32bit distro, then you can not execute any 64bit code, even if your processor is x64 capable. a 64 bit kernel OTOH can run 32bit apps, but you need a full set of 32bit libraries (multilib). and there ARE performance problems running 32bit apps under "linux 64". i tried to set up a 64 linux, and i got 10% less frames or so under quake4. > Byez! > > Carotinho > > > > > > > > ___________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB > http://mail.yahoo.it > > > From ce at christeck.de Mon Apr 10 18:21:16 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Apr 10 18:20:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25 and low-latency In-Reply-To: <443AD73D.5010507@jeremah.co.uk> References: <20060410235115.pn0ulve5l7kkg4sc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <443AD73D.5010507@jeremah.co.uk> Message-ID: <200604110021.16964.ce@christeck.de> > I'd recommend it for getting sound in and out a laptop. agreed. It's easy and painless to use. Good value for the price. Best regards ce From adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr Mon Apr 10 18:23:51 2006 From: adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr (Adrien DANIEL) Date: Mon Apr 10 18:23:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25 and low-latency In-Reply-To: <443AD73D.5010507@jeremah.co.uk> References: <20060410235115.pn0ulve5l7kkg4sc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <443AD73D.5010507@jeremah.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060411002351.fm31m8memd3k8ks4@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Jonny Stutters wrote : > It's been fine for me so far (reliable enough for gigs). Jack > latency is 10.6ms, can't remember the frames/period for that off the > top of my head. The response is fast enough for keyboard playing and > live input processing. To get that without xruns I had to use a > fully-preemptible kernel. I'd recommend it for getting sound in and > out a laptop. Thank you very much ! You probably run JACK with 256 frames/period at 48000 Hz. I use a Demudi testing distro, so I got the fully-preemtible kernel. I would like to buy the UA-25 especially for a laptop use ! Some more experiences from others users ? :D AD From adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr Mon Apr 10 18:28:03 2006 From: adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr (Adrien DANIEL) Date: Mon Apr 10 18:28:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25 and low-latency In-Reply-To: <200604110021.16964.ce@christeck.de> References: <20060410235115.pn0ulve5l7kkg4sc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <443AD73D.5010507@jeremah.co.uk> <200604110021.16964.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20060411002803.ix58al11em0wsws0@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Christoph Eckert wrote : >> I'd recommend it for getting sound in and out a laptop. > > agreed. It's easy and painless to use. Good value for the price. Thanks ! AD From ce at christeck.de Mon Apr 10 18:37:38 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Apr 10 18:36:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25 and low-latency In-Reply-To: <20060411002351.fm31m8memd3k8ks4@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> References: <20060410235115.pn0ulve5l7kkg4sc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <443AD73D.5010507@jeremah.co.uk> <20060411002351.fm31m8memd3k8ks4@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Message-ID: <200604110037.38470.ce@christeck.de> > Some more experiences from others users ? :D according to qjackctl I get 16msecs latency. Kernel: custom vanilla 2.6.14.2 with RT-LSM-module. No further tricks. BTW: I got some glitches as I used it on an Intel Mac, but it's fine on Linux so I didn't investigate this further :) . Best regards ce From cesare at poeticstudios.com Mon Apr 10 21:32:31 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Mon Apr 10 19:32:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25 and low-latency In-Reply-To: <200604110037.38470.ce@christeck.de> References: <20060410235115.pn0ulve5l7kkg4sc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <443AD73D.5010507@jeremah.co.uk> <20060411002351.fm31m8memd3k8ks4@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <200604110037.38470.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <443B072F.2010706@poeticstudios.com> Christoph Eckert wrote: >>Some more experiences from others users ? :D >> >> > >according to qjackctl I get 16msecs latency. > >Kernel: custom vanilla 2.6.14.2 with RT-LSM-module. No further tricks. > >BTW: I got some glitches as I used it on an Intel Mac, but it's fine on >Linux so I didn't investigate this further :) . > > >Best regards > > >ce > > > > I use it at 44100hz, 128 frames/period, 4 periods/buffer (11.6ms) without problems. No xruns. You can go down to 64 frames (5.8ms) with some apps. Regards, c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Mon Apr 10 19:58:43 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Mon Apr 10 20:03:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Click/pop filtering In-Reply-To: <20060410214818.GB5847@pro-ns.net> References: <20060410214818.GB5847@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <1144713523.24764.0.camel@eviltwin> GWC - Gnome Wave Cleaner. On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 16:48 -0500, Steve Wahl wrote: > LAUsers, > > Google didn't get me too far, so I'll ask here. > > I've got a sizeable number of vinyl records I want to digitize. > Grammofile or whatever it's called has some filters in it for pops and > clicks. Is there anything newer for this sort of use? Did anyone > ever convert grammofile's filter algorithms to LADSPA or similar, or > come up with something even better? > > Anybody who currently does this and has an established method they use > that they could share, feel free to speak up! > > Thanks in advance! > > --> Steve Wahl -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 21:08:28 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Apr 10 21:08:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Click/pop filtering In-Reply-To: <20060410214818.GB5847@pro-ns.net> References: <20060410214818.GB5847@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: On 4/11/06, Steve Wahl wrote: > LAUsers, > > Google didn't get me too far, so I'll ask here. > > I've got a sizeable number of vinyl records I want to digitize. > Grammofile or whatever it's called has some filters in it for pops and > clicks. Is there anything newer for this sort of use? Did anyone > ever convert grammofile's filter algorithms to LADSPA or similar, or > come up with something even better? > > Anybody who currently does this and has an established method they use > that they could share, feel free to speak up! > > Thanks in advance! > > --> Steve Wahl > -- > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > > "On this employee survey form, it asks, 'Do you trust your manager?' > If I trust him to do the wrong thing, is that a 'yes'?" > Clean the vinyl and use good needles. I recommend any of the ortofon e needles such as the om 10 e or broadcast e. Loki From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 10 22:03:24 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Mon Apr 10 23:03:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: Nerds are sexy In-Reply-To: References: <443993C0.2050802@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <443B0E6C.6040303@sbcglobal.net> Carlo Capocasa wrote: >>Wow, your monkyhood is a startling confession indeed. Just the fact >>that you are able to type... i mean, it's not shakespear, but there is >>only one of you, carlo, so that disproves some probability illustration >>or another right there. Get down with your monky self. : ) >> >> > >I'm pretty sure after listening to this > >http://www.christopherleestreet.com/ftp/random/dance_monkeys_dance.swf > >you will know more than you want to about the monkey world, and have an >extra insight or two to boot! > >Carlo, buster of Bananas, Rocker of Rolls > > > > Wow, that was anoyingly foul and childish. I wonder, to people take this stance on life; ie that they are decendants of animals and therefore all of their efforts are foolish and silly; in the name of trouth? Where i to play at that game, i could call him a monkey in need of something brash and interesting to say to impress the other monkeys. but to me he really seems like a soul. a hurt, bitter, sad soul with a paradime that makes it safe to abandon Hope, and a need to bring others down. because why not? there all just monkeys, right? ok maybe i got a little too serious, but this sort of thing matters to me. From smoak at mis.net Mon Apr 10 23:04:48 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Mon Apr 10 23:04:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdd-recording In-Reply-To: <200604102235.40633.ce@christeck.de> References: <20060409194720.A846CFAEDBA@music.columbia.edu> <20060410181911.GA12809@morphius> <200604102235.40633.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200604102304.48224.smoak@mis.net> On Monday 10 April 2006 16:35, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > i want to record bristol-output to hdd, but i don't know how. > > I didn't check if Bristol runs on top of JACK, but if so it's simple > using qarecord, timemachine, Ardour or a sequencer like Rosegarden or > MusE. > > Best regards > > > ce Or if it doesn't, try using Audacity to record. When I use it to record my sblive I must record stereo tracks at 48K to get clean recording. ymmv, etc... Marv From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Apr 11 00:38:27 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue Apr 11 00:39:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Messing about with Hydrogen ... can be dangerous :) In-Reply-To: <20060409225623.7128b185@localhost> References: <20060409225623.7128b185@localhost> Message-ID: <443B32C3.7010000@boosthardware.com> Folderol wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a way to copy instruments from one drumkit > in Hydrogen to another. Also is it possible to change the order of > instruments in a existing kit? > > I do like Hydrogen but find the gui not exactly ideal. > They are working on a large set of changes in svn at the moment which will add a lot of features and clean up the logic of the interface. I can't wait. At the moment the easiest way to add drums from other kits is to import them manually as a sample using the sample manager. You can add them to any sample track, even have multiple samples on the same track. If you want to move samples around then you can do that in the pattern editor with the up and down arrows on the left hand side. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/ - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== Apparently upon the beginning of the barrage, the donkey broke discipline and panicked, toppling the cart. At that point, the rockets disconnected from the timer, leaving them strewn around the street. Tethered to the now toppled cart, the donkey was unable to escape before the arrival of U.S. troops. United Press International Rockets on donkeys hit major Baghdad sites By P. MITCHELL PROTHERO Published 11/21/2003 11:13 AM From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Tue Apr 11 04:12:27 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Tue Apr 11 04:12:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdd-recording In-Reply-To: <200604102235.40633.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: Bristol is not jack savvy at the moment, so it is not going to be that simple. For historical/testing purposes you have the following 'hack' available: cd $BRISTOL/src/lib/libbristol vi Makefile FEATURES =-DNEW_DEBUG FEATURES = -DNEW_DEBUG -DDUPLICATE Save the file. Do a 'make clean', 'make install'. Once you have done this the output from bristol is duplicated to a file /tmp/bristol.raw. It is a copy of the whole audio stream in 16bit stereo interleaved samples which could then be imported into whatever app you want. This was implemented for testing purposes, and you would obviously be advised to replace the resulting libraries with the original versions, or compile again without this flag - this file is open/truncated when the audio thread starts but will then grow reasonably fast. I can make this into a runtime option reasonably easily, but it would be better to have bristol integrate into jack or DSSI or similar. That is 'being worked on'. Ahem. I keep getting waylaid by other synth algorithms, now including a couple of Korgs. If this is a useful feature I can formalise it and reintegrate the WAV output formatting - the code is there, just not used, but it could be done faster than you can say dissy. Regards, Nick >From: Christoph Eckert >Reply-To: A list for linux audio users > >To: A list for linux audio users >Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] hdd-recording >Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:35:40 +0200 > > > > i want to record bristol-output to hdd, but i don't know how. > >I didn't check if Bristol runs on top of JACK, but if so it's simple >using qarecord, timemachine, Ardour or a sequencer like Rosegarden or >MusE. > > >Best regards > > >ce _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr Tue Apr 11 04:21:56 2006 From: adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr (Adrien DANIEL) Date: Tue Apr 11 04:22:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25 and low-latency In-Reply-To: <443B072F.2010706@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060410235115.pn0ulve5l7kkg4sc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <443AD73D.5010507@jeremah.co.uk> <20060411002351.fm31m8memd3k8ks4@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <200604110037.38470.ce@christeck.de> <443B072F.2010706@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <20060411102156.xw980ozarjy84g00@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Thank you all, I have ordered it ! Cheers, AD From vla at gmx.at Tue Apr 11 06:50:44 2006 From: vla at gmx.at (vlad) Date: Tue Apr 11 06:50:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdd-recording In-Reply-To: <20060410214833.7A1F6FE55AF@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060410214833.7A1F6FE55AF@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060411105044.GA4884@morphius> > > i want to record bristol-output to hdd, but i don't know how. > > I didn't check if Bristol runs on top of JACK, but if so it's simple > using qarecord, timemachine, Ardour or a sequencer like Rosegarden or > MusE. > > > Best regards > > > ce that's the point, bristol does not run with JACK. how can i simply record the speaker-output? thank you all vlad From emillo at libero.it Tue Apr 11 07:46:25 2006 From: emillo at libero.it (Emiliano Grilli) Date: Tue Apr 11 07:46:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdd-recording In-Reply-To: <20060411105044.GA4884@morphius> References: <20060410214833.7A1F6FE55AF@music.columbia.edu> <20060411105044.GA4884@morphius> Message-ID: <20060411114625.GA13184@emillo.net> marted?, 11 aprile 2006 alle 12:50:44, vlad ha scritto: > > > i want to record bristol-output to hdd, but i don't know how. > > > > I didn't check if Bristol runs on top of JACK, but if so it's simple > > using qarecord, timemachine, Ardour or a sequencer like Rosegarden or > > MusE. > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > ce > > that's the point, bristol does not run with JACK. > how can i simply record the speaker-output? > > thank you all > > vlad You should be able to select "mix" as capture source in alsamixer (press TAB to go to capture settings, space to select the capture source) - but YMMV depending on the soundcard, I think. HTH Ciao -- Emiliano Grilli Linux user #209089 http://www.emillo.net From denisfalqueto at gmail.com Tue Apr 11 07:58:42 2006 From: denisfalqueto at gmail.com (Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto) Date: Tue Apr 11 07:58:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdd-recording In-Reply-To: <20060411105044.GA4884@morphius> References: <20060410214833.7A1F6FE55AF@music.columbia.edu> <20060411105044.GA4884@morphius> Message-ID: On 4/11/06, vlad wrote: > that's the point, bristol does not run with JACK. > how can i simply record the speaker-output? I use the alsa-jack plugin. It creates a jack client representing your soundboard that can be used to connect to and from any other jack client. It commonly is not installed by the distro's, but can be found in ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/plugins/. Mabe your distro calls it (surprisingly) alsa-plugins. Choose your plugin according to your alsa version. You will need to change /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc. Look at my /etc/asound.conf for an example of using it: pcm.!default { type plug slave { pcm "jack" } } pcm.jack { type jack playback_ports { 0 alsa_pcm:playback_1 1 alsa_pcm:playback_2 } capture_ports { 0 alsa_pcm:capture_1 1 alsa_pcm:capture_2 } } This means that I will allways use the jack plugin as my primary alsa device. I also start jackd automatically when I log into kde. Or you can just create another device and use it in your app via a command line parameter. Hope that helps. -- ------------------------------------------- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto ------------------------------------------- From viceic at net2000.ch Tue Apr 11 08:41:29 2006 From: viceic at net2000.ch (Predrag Viceic) Date: Tue Apr 11 08:34:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freecycle screenshots Message-ID: <200604111441.29893.viceic@net2000.ch> Hi All, For those who didn't yet try Freecycle, or didn't manage to build it (which happens very often.. :( ), here is some meat: http://freecycle.redsteamrecords.com/screenshots/ Cheers, Predrag From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 11 08:49:59 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Tue Apr 11 09:50:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to un-ipod some m4a songs. Message-ID: <443BA5F7.2010705@sbcglobal.net> I'm trying to un-ipod some songs. Does anyone know why the following command gives me an mp3 with a horid hiss? #!/bin/bash for i in *.m4a; do faad -o - "$i" | lame -m s - -o "${i%m4a}mp3" done using the faad plugin in XMMS gives me crystal clear sound on these songs, but stinking not so for this here command. From listreader at lupulin.net Tue Apr 11 10:21:09 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Tue Apr 11 10:21:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to un-ipod some m4a songs. In-Reply-To: <443BA5F7.2010705@sbcglobal.net> References: <443BA5F7.2010705@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20060411142109.GA23799@seraph.office.techtarget.com> On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 07:49:59AM -0500, Brian Dunn wrote: > > #!/bin/bash > for i in *.m4a; do > faad -o - "$i" | lame -m s - -o "${i%m4a}mp3" > done I don't know the options to faad or lame well enough to comment directly, but I use these 2 scripts, and they work well. Maybe something will present itself. ----script-1---- #!/bin/sh ### cvt_faad.sh ### FAAD=/usr/bin/faad for M4A in $(ls *.m4a) ; do faad $M4A done ----script-2---- #!/bin/sh ### cvt_faad.sh ### FAAD=/usr/bin/faad for WAV in $(ls *.wav) ; do MP3=`basename $WAV .wav` MP3="${MP3}.mp3" CMD="lame -h -b 192 ${WAV} ${MP3}" echo "${CMD} ..." $CMD done -- paul \ / wisehart >/ |\|\|\ From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 11 10:28:01 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Tue Apr 11 11:28:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to un-ipod some m4a songs. In-Reply-To: <20060411142109.GA23799@seraph.office.techtarget.com> References: <443BA5F7.2010705@sbcglobal.net> <20060411142109.GA23799@seraph.office.techtarget.com> Message-ID: <443BBCF1.8070907@sbcglobal.net> paul wisehart wrote: >On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 07:49:59AM -0500, Brian Dunn wrote: > > >>#!/bin/bash >>for i in *.m4a; do >> faad -o - "$i" | lame -m s - -o "${i%m4a}mp3" >>done >> >> > > >I don't know the options to faad or lame well enough to >comment directly, but I use these 2 scripts, and they work well. >Maybe something will present itself. > > >----script-1---- > >#!/bin/sh > >### cvt_faad.sh ### > >FAAD=/usr/bin/faad >for M4A in $(ls *.m4a) ; do > faad $M4A >done > >----script-2---- > >#!/bin/sh > >### cvt_faad.sh ### > >FAAD=/usr/bin/faad >for WAV in $(ls *.wav) ; do > MP3=`basename $WAV .wav` > MP3="${MP3}.mp3" > > CMD="lame -h -b 192 ${WAV} ${MP3}" > echo "${CMD} ..." > $CMD >done > > > > ok, thanks Paul! your scripts don't yeild hissy files. I added the -h and -b 192 option to lame one at a time, and the both, but stll get hissy output from my script. i wonder if this can be blamed on the use of a pipe? that's beyond me. I always thought pipes ment cleverness and where as to linux as apple pie is to the USA. shall i loose faith in ye ole pipe? From ajtee at ajtee.plus.com Tue Apr 11 14:12:08 2006 From: ajtee at ajtee.plus.com (Adam Tee) Date: Tue Apr 11 14:08:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] GNU Denemo 0.75 Message-ID: <443BF178.6010601@ajtee.plus.com> GNU Denemo, a GTK+ front-end to GNU Lilypond Major changes include: Moved back to Plain C for future releases Reimplementation of keymaps so they are now XML based Midi import Lilypond Export Updates Reimplementation of rc files so that they are now XML Removal of Blank rest modes Crash Recovery Lots of memory leak fixes Help Manual now available Revised CSound export Revised Print functionality Blank notes are now displayed in Yellow to aid in viewing the score Keybindings for inserting Time Signatures, Key Signatures and Clefs Adam Maintainer GNU Denemo http://denemo.sourceforge.net From torbenh at gmx.de Tue Apr 11 15:46:13 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Tue Apr 11 15:50:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] netjack-0.11rc5 In-Reply-To: <20060408092717.45adc17d@SiRiUS.home> References: <20060408030728.GA8258@mobilat> <20060408092717.45adc17d@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <20060411194613.GA8624@mobilat> On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 09:27:17AM +0200, Thomas Kuther wrote: > On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:07:29 +0200 > torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > > > > netjack-0.11rc5 > > > > Some pieces of Code which can deliver you the full jackd experience > > with multiple Computers. > > > > Links JackPorts via generic IP networks. > > > > The alsa_in and alsa_out client can connect jackd to an unrelated > > alsa Soundcard. And their algorithm has been improved. > > > > Also downsampling and bitrate reduction is included now, to make it > > work on low bitrate links. Tested over the Internet some times now, > > with moderate success. > > > > Also compiles on OSX... with-alsa=0 > > > > > > -- > > torben Hohn > > http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language > > > > sweet! > > for gentoo users: > http://gimpel.ath.cx/~tom/files/portage_overlay/media-sound/netjack/netjack-0.11_rc5.ebuild hmm ? whynot USE="netjack" emerge =jack-audio-connection-kit-0.100.7-r1 ? ahh... its only using netjack-0.11rc2 :) but it contains a NETJACK= on top... so updating that to 0.11rc5 should be sufficient... many thanks go to fvdp for making this possible... -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From carotinobg at yahoo.it Tue Apr 11 16:03:41 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Tue Apr 11 16:02:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: <443AD8F6.7070107@gmx.de> References: <200604102336.10115.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <443AD8F6.7070107@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200604112203.41742.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 00:15, marted? 11 aprile 2006, Thomas Ilnseher ha scritto: > > But do I have to run a 64bit distro on a system running at 64bit? > > I'm too trying to save money for buying a new system:) > > no, x64 cpus run 32bit oses just perfectly. else noone would buy an x64 > processor, > cause most people run combined 16/32 bit oses (windows). > > but if you run a 32bit distro, then you can not execute any 64bit code, > even if > your processor is x64 capable. > > a 64 bit kernel OTOH can run 32bit apps, but you need a full set of > 32bit libraries (multilib). As far as I know, you can switch the processor between 32 and 64 bit. The question now is: if I run it at 64bit, can I run a 32bit distro, eg Slackware, maybe with a 64bit kernel? Thanks! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Apr 11 23:39:13 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue Apr 11 16:39:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DJCJ.org moving servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <443C7661.700@boosthardware.com> Hi, www.DJCJ.org is moving servers. There will no doubt be some downtime for the projects hosted here over the next few days. Linux Projects hosted at www.DJCJ.org :: ---------- LAU Guide - For Linux audio users and newbies Quicktoots - Short tutorials written in magazine style with detailed images Ladspa VST - The LADSPA VST plugins compatibility list Low Latency Howto - Setting up Low Latency for your Linux Machine ---------- The new server will have much more power and space for new projects. One of the most interesting new features is php5 support and hence AJAX accessibility. If you have an idea for a Linux Audio Users oriented site that needs a home on the web please feel free to contact me at any time. Any new Quicktoots will be gratefully accepted. The last one is a year old now. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/ - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== From illth at gmx.de Tue Apr 11 16:48:00 2006 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Tue Apr 11 16:48:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motherboard recommendations In-Reply-To: <200604112203.41742.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <200604102336.10115.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <443AD8F6.7070107@gmx.de> <200604112203.41742.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <443C1600.1030904@gmx.de> Carotinho wrote: > Hi! > > Alle 00:15, marted? 11 aprile 2006, Thomas Ilnseher ha scritto: > >>> But do I have to run a 64bit distro on a system running at 64bit? >>> I'm too trying to save money for buying a new system:) >>> >> no, x64 cpus run 32bit oses just perfectly. else noone would buy an x64 >> processor, >> cause most people run combined 16/32 bit oses (windows). >> >> but if you run a 32bit distro, then you can not execute any 64bit code, >> even if >> your processor is x64 capable. >> >> a 64 bit kernel OTOH can run 32bit apps, but you need a full set of >> 32bit libraries (multilib). >> > > As far as I know, you can switch the processor between 32 and 64 bit. The > question now is: if I run it at 64bit, can I run a 32bit distro, eg > Slackware, maybe with a 64bit kernel? > a) you can run a 32bit distro w/ a 32bit kernel just fine. b) you can run a 32bit distro w/ a 64bit kernel with the following limitation: all kernel modules need to be 64 bit, of course. but afaik, nvidias 32bit xorg-driver can't talk to nvidias 64bit kernel module. this means you need at least a 64bit xorg, and everything that's required for a 64bit xorg. 32bit apps can connect to the 64bit xorg. of course you can use an open-source driver, which does not rely kernel stuff. but i don't see any advantage in having a 32bit distro, and an 64bit kernel. > Thanks! > > Carotinho > > > > > > ___________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB > http://mail.yahoo.it > > > From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Tue Apr 11 17:39:36 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Tue Apr 11 17:39:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] netjack-0.11rc5 In-Reply-To: <20060411194613.GA8624@mobilat> References: <20060408030728.GA8258@mobilat> <20060408092717.45adc17d@SiRiUS.home> <20060411194613.GA8624@mobilat> Message-ID: <20060411233936.6a850d87@SiRiUS.home> On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:46:13 +0200 torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 09:27:17AM +0200, Thomas Kuther wrote: > > On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:07:29 +0200 > > torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > > > > > > > netjack-0.11rc5 > > > > > > Some pieces of Code which can deliver you the full jackd > > > experience with multiple Computers. > > > > > > Links JackPorts via generic IP networks. > > > > > > The alsa_in and alsa_out client can connect jackd to an unrelated > > > alsa Soundcard. And their algorithm has been improved. > > > > > > Also downsampling and bitrate reduction is included now, to make > > > it work on low bitrate links. Tested over the Internet some times > > > now, with moderate success. > > > > > > Also compiles on OSX... with-alsa=0 > > > > > > > > > -- > > > torben Hohn > > > http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language > > > > > > > sweet! > > > > for gentoo users: > > http://gimpel.ath.cx/~tom/files/portage_overlay/media-sound/netjack/netjack-0.11_rc5.ebuild > > hmm ? > > whynot > USE="netjack" emerge =jack-audio-connection-kit-0.100.7-r1 ? > because there is no netjack in IUSE ;) at least not in the jack-audio-connection-kit-0.100.7-r1 from official portage ----8<--- IUSE="altivec alsa caps coreaudio doc debug jack-tmpfs mmx oss portaudio sndfile sse" --->8---- no idea where you got USE="netjack" from, sorry. Or did i just get you wrong now? the link changed btw: http://gimpel.ath.cx/~tom/files/portage_overlay/jacklab/media-sound/netjack/netjack-0.11_rc5.ebuild Regards! Tom From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Tue Apr 11 17:41:41 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Tue Apr 11 17:41:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] netjack-0.11rc5 In-Reply-To: <20060411233936.6a850d87@SiRiUS.home> References: <20060408030728.GA8258@mobilat> <20060408092717.45adc17d@SiRiUS.home> <20060411194613.GA8624@mobilat> <20060411233936.6a850d87@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <20060411234141.3a0360e2@SiRiUS.home> On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:39:36 +0200 Thomas Kuther wrote: > On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:46:13 +0200 > torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 09:27:17AM +0200, Thomas Kuther wrote: > > > On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 05:07:29 +0200 > > > torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > netjack-0.11rc5 > > > > > > > > Some pieces of Code which can deliver you the full jackd > > > > experience with multiple Computers. > > > > > > > > Links JackPorts via generic IP networks. > > > > > > > > The alsa_in and alsa_out client can connect jackd to an > > > > unrelated alsa Soundcard. And their algorithm has been improved. > > > > > > > > Also downsampling and bitrate reduction is included now, to make > > > > it work on low bitrate links. Tested over the Internet some > > > > times now, with moderate success. > > > > > > > > Also compiles on OSX... with-alsa=0 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > torben Hohn > > > > http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language > > > > > > > > > > sweet! > > > > > > for gentoo users: > > > http://gimpel.ath.cx/~tom/files/portage_overlay/media-sound/netjack/netjack-0.11_rc5.ebuild > > > > hmm ? > > > > whynot > > USE="netjack" emerge =jack-audio-connection-kit-0.100.7-r1 ? > > > > because there is no netjack in IUSE ;) at least not in the > jack-audio-connection-kit-0.100.7-r1 from official portage > ----8<--- > IUSE="altivec alsa caps coreaudio doc debug jack-tmpfs mmx oss > portaudio sndfile sse" > --->8---- > no idea where you got USE="netjack" from, sorry. > Or did i just get you wrong now? > > the link changed btw: > http://gimpel.ath.cx/~tom/files/portage_overlay/jacklab/media-sound/netjack/netjack-0.11_rc5.ebuild > > Regards! > Tom > Ooooops, syncing helps :P Indeed, it's there :D pretty cool! From michael at michaelshiloh.com Tue Apr 11 17:36:13 2006 From: michael at michaelshiloh.com (michael@michaelshiloh.com) Date: Tue Apr 11 18:39:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Track made with puredata (on a Linux desktop) In-Reply-To: <20060406101935.GA25681@mccormick.cx> References: <20060406101935.GA25681@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: Man, this is incredible. Congratulations! Michael On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Chris McCormick wrote: > Hi, > > > > There is some other music made on a Linux desktop at similar URLs at > that same host. > > Best regards, > > Chris. > > ------------------- > chris@mccormick.cx > http://mccormick.cx > From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Apr 11 19:32:39 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Apr 11 19:33:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: Nerds are sexy In-Reply-To: <443B0E6C.6040303@sbcglobal.net> References: <443993C0.2050802@sbcglobal.net> <443B0E6C.6040303@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: >> http://www.christopherleestreet.com/ftp/random/dance_monkeys_dance.swf Well I agree the guy COULD be at least a LITTLE bitter... But I tend to think he's just cracking a good joke at our species. I always find it a very nice thing to be able to laugh at oneself, and when you look at, for example, the realm of politics, it really is hard to deny there is a certain similarity to all our hairy cousins :) You see, all this monkey business with making sure we are a LOT different than animals and all, this all just looks terrifyingly familiar to me. I was pretty much a nerd in high school and I've seen my share of 'We're in the club and you're not' kind of thing... Self-esteem based on feeling superior. I think it would be a good idea for human beings to learn to have self-esteem even when not thinking ourselves apart from animals, or nature, or even other nations. We're all in the same boat. And I believe we humans deserve a lot of respect and dignity... And so do monkeys. And we all act in ways that often enough are not THAT inspiring... plain old 'big guy on the block' or 'tribe superiority' games. The U.S. are doing their fair share of that. Ignoring that monkey business will not make us a fairer species, but acknowledging our animal nature will allow us to be that, and something else as well! ;) Or, of course, everything could be completely different. You never know. Heck, I'm just another fucking monkey with some fiber optics technology. In a way, this is incredibly comforting when I happen to be looking for a particularly hard-to-find bug :) Carlo From atte.jensen at gmail.com Tue Apr 11 19:35:29 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue Apr 11 19:36:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Track made with puredata (on a Linux desktop) In-Reply-To: <20060406101935.GA25681@mccormick.cx> References: <20060406101935.GA25681@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <443C3D41.3070503@gmail.com> Chris McCormick wrote: > Very nice, indeed. Very in-your-face! -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Apr 11 20:14:51 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Apr 11 20:14:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Khagan 0.1 released. In-Reply-To: <443A4A60.1050400@gmail.com> References: <443A4843.1040907@gmail.com> <443A4A60.1050400@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/10/06, Marije Baalman wrote: > Hi Loki, > > one more question: > > would it be possible to add an option to start khagan with a file to load? > e.g. so that: > "khagan.py mycoolgui.kh" > automatically starts khagan and opens mycoolgui.kh? > > sincerely, > Marije > Option is added in svn, as is load window name and icon from arguments, so app windows can be called whatever your controlled app is called. Loki From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Apr 11 21:10:24 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue Apr 11 21:11:22 2006 Subject: bass punchiness [was Re: [linux-audio-user] I'm back with some music] In-Reply-To: References: <311b5a1a0603250738q4c1e3ed3v@mail.gmail.com> <311b5a1a0603260234p4031d41dg@mail.gmail.com> <311b5a1a0603260241n4ef276bv@mail.gmail.com> <4426EF26.70000@boosthardware.com> <70a871c80603261446j308b6ae0g67ef9d35758335fc@mail.gmail.com> <20060327072540.0a236010@localhost> <4432BA95.5060004@boosthardware.com> <4435841F.1010300@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <443C5380.70209@boosthardware.com> Loki Davison wrote: > You really need at least blop, omins and cmt. Those 3 are needed to > use the smack packages, and a few more are needed for most om > examples. There is a list here http://atte.dk/om-wiki/GettingPlugins > urpmi/apt-get/etc should make it pretty easy to grab all the packages. > Hi, I installed those but the patches still wouldn't load. Apart from that I have tried using om and I find that it is not as comfortable as ssm. It's quite annoying managing all the different popup windows for sliders and I miss the ability to move the canvas with grab and pull. Your advice about the compressor with envelopes, etc is very useful. But I'm still having trouble getting a sound to start and stop on cue. For instance with the sample you provided notbigfish, how do you get the sound so short and full sounding. There must be a standard technique. What I need is a simple ascii diagram of a typical chain. Anyone feeling generous? Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/ - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed Apr 12 03:06:37 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Apr 12 03:06:43 2006 Subject: bass punchiness [was Re: [linux-audio-user] I'm back with some music] In-Reply-To: <443C5380.70209@boosthardware.com> References: <311b5a1a0603250738q4c1e3ed3v@mail.gmail.com> <4426EF26.70000@boosthardware.com> <70a871c80603261446j308b6ae0g67ef9d35758335fc@mail.gmail.com> <20060327072540.0a236010@localhost> <4432BA95.5060004@boosthardware.com> <4435841F.1010300@boosthardware.com> <443C5380.70209@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: On 4/12/06, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Loki Davison wrote: > > > You really need at least blop, omins and cmt. Those 3 are needed to > > use the smack packages, and a few more are needed for most om > > examples. There is a list here http://atte.dk/om-wiki/GettingPlugins > > urpmi/apt-get/etc should make it pretty easy to grab all the packages. > > > > > Hi, > > I installed those but the patches still wouldn't load. Apart from that I > have tried using om and I find that it is not as comfortable as ssm. > It's quite annoying managing all the different popup windows for sliders > and I miss the ability to move the canvas with grab and pull. > > Your advice about the compressor with envelopes, etc is very useful. But > I'm still having trouble getting a sound to start and stop on cue. For > instance with the sample you provided notbigfish, how do you get the > sound so short and full sounding. > > There must be a standard technique. What I need is a simple ascii > diagram of a typical chain. > > Anyone feeling generous? > > Cheers. Popup windows for sliders??? why arn't you using control ins? Look at some of the smack patches for what i mean, all controls for one thing should be in one place. oh, use add as sub patch not add as root patch btw. Loki From peder at musikhuset.org Wed Apr 12 06:57:56 2006 From: peder at musikhuset.org (Peder Hedlund) Date: Wed Apr 12 06:58:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to un-ipod some m4a songs. In-Reply-To: <443BBCF1.8070907@sbcglobal.net> References: <443BA5F7.2010705@sbcglobal.net> <20060411142109.GA23799@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <443BBCF1.8070907@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Brian Dunn wrote: > paul wisehart wrote: > > >On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 07:49:59AM -0500, Brian Dunn wrote: > > > > > >>#!/bin/bash > >>for i in *.m4a; do > >> faad -o - "$i" | lame -m s - -o "${i%m4a}mp3" > >>done > >> > i wonder if this can be blamed on the use of a pipe? that's beyond me. > I always thought pipes ment cleverness and where as to linux as apple > pie is to the USA. shall i loose faith in ye ole pipe? I ran your commandline on one of my m4a and it sounded great with faad2 2.1-cvs20051104.02 and lame 3.96.1 One note though: when using Pauls script faad is hardcoded to /usr/bin/faad. Perhaps you have another (buggy) faad in your path that's used instead. Try running faad (without a /usr/bin path) on some song and listen to the .wav . I bet that's hissy too. - Peder From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Apr 12 07:21:38 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Apr 12 07:22:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] announcement: ace 0.6 Message-ID: <443CE2C2.6020702@gmail.com> Hi I've been working on a small midi splitter/processor called ace, especially aimed at controlling linux/csound live from midi keyboards. You can get it here: http://atte.dk/ace/ From the web page: ace is a command line midi splitter/processor especially suited for use together with csound. It allows for any number of "zones" to be setup, each of which defines a passage through ace. Initial program changes (optionally using csound instrument names) and volumes can be send for each zone. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps From lee at rockingtiger.com Wed Apr 12 15:30:11 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Wed Apr 12 15:30:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Brooklyn NY: Linux Audio workshop this weekend Message-ID: <13053264.10231144870211868.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> I'm the one conducting these workshops. There have been some changes I've quoted below. > >On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 11:30:11PM -0400, Marco Scoffier wrote: > >> > >> Hello all sorry for the late announcement, there is a series of > Linux > >> Audio workshops starting Sat Apr. 8th. > >> > >> put on by the folks at http://free103point9.org It is not put out by Free 103. It is put out by The August Sound Coalition. http://radio.socialtechnology.net The Aptil 15th workshop HAS BEEN CHANGED to April 16th. This happens to be Easter for the christians in the audience but don't let that stop you. I'll send out a more detailed announcement in a sepperate email. > >> The address is in Brooklyn: > >> > >> 7 clifford place > >> between meserole and calyer > >> 718.791.1966 Here's a map: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=7+clifford+place,+brooklyn,+ny&ll=40.727064,-73.955197&spn=0.014245,0.039997 -lee From lee at rockingtiger.com Wed Apr 12 15:36:15 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Wed Apr 12 15:36:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to un-ipod some m4a songs. Message-ID: <1174282.10291144870575504.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> ----- Brian Dunn wrote: > I'm trying to un-ipod some songs. > Does anyone know why the following command gives me an mp3 with a > horid > hiss? > > #!/bin/bash > for i in *.m4a; do > faad -o - "$i" | lame -m s - -o "${i%m4a}mp3" What happens if you decode it to a wav file and play that? If it's not hissing, read the lame manual page and look for the -x option. -lee From lee at rockingtiger.com Wed Apr 12 15:51:29 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Wed Apr 12 15:51:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Audio Workshop #2, Sunday April 16th 2006 Message-ID: <32826152.10321144871489194.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> This week's subjects will be: * Live Internet Broadcasting. * Icecast. The Broadcast Server. * Darkice. The Broadcast Encoder. * How will your stream be delivered to your audience? * Jack Review. Basic Concepts. Stream Monitoring. * Configuring Darkice for mp3, vorbis and jack. * Configuring Icecast. Here's the link http://radio.socialtechnology.net/?q=node/27 -lee From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Apr 12 19:11:31 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Apr 12 17:23:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Is plug:jack Resampling? Message-ID: <878xqaz8ws.fsf@esben-stien.name> I'm experiencing problems with plug:jack. Playing a 96k file through the device with aplay works nice, but when playing a file with different sampling rate than the device is set to, it just stutters a little and then exits. My understanding is that it's supposed to resample the file with ALSAs' own resample code. I won't mention any specific hardware, cause this is just a question to hear if it's a fact that plug:jack resamples. I already have a more thorough report filed on alsa-user: http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg15735.html -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Apr 12 18:06:09 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Apr 12 18:06:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Is plug:jack Resampling? In-Reply-To: <878xqaz8ws.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <878xqaz8ws.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <1144879570.27496.39.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 01:11 +0200, Esben Stien wrote: > I won't mention any specific hardware, cause this is just a question > to hear if it's a fact that plug:jack resamples. I already have a more > thorough report filed on alsa-user: Please try my advice from the other thread rather than starting a new thread on a different and less relevant list. Lee From wsynth at gjcp.net Wed Apr 12 18:26:09 2006 From: wsynth at gjcp.net (Gordonjcp) Date: Wed Apr 12 18:28:18 2006 Subject: bass punchiness [was Re: [linux-audio-user] I'm back with some music] In-Reply-To: References: <311b5a1a0603250738q4c1e3ed3v@mail.gmail.com> <20060325203512.GP10023@phlunky.Belkin> <311b5a1a0603260234p4031d41dg@mail.gmail.com> <311b5a1a0603260241n4ef276bv@mail.gmail.com> <4426EF26.70000@boosthardware.com> <70a871c80603261446j308b6ae0g67ef9d35758335fc@mail.gmail.com> <20060327072540.0a236010@localhost> <442841E6.9030200@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <443D7E81.7080806@gjcp.net> Loki Davison wrote: > since fixed with om the settings for nekobee didn't save right, so > don't have a file to send you ;-). Similar bass can be got by Any changes needed to nekobee, or was that ok? Gordon. From pit at reboot.fm Wed Apr 12 18:30:55 2006 From: pit at reboot.fm (Pit Schultz) Date: Wed Apr 12 18:31:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agc, long time event recording (bounty) Message-ID: <134895260604121530t6118a060re8711195d0ace033@mail.gmail.com> hi there, hope this mail is on topic on this list. for an FM and internet radio project during the worldcup 2006 in Berlin, we're looking for support on the linux audio developer side. it's a cultural project and we'll recording audio events at different places, from clubs to universitities. there's a small budget included and some preliminary code is available from an older streaming project. of course the project will be released under GNU. if you are interested to join in and help us with your work, please contact us quickly at: kontakt->radioeinszueins.de here's the basic setup we're working on, it derives from years of practical d.i.y. experiences with recordings and streaming of club events. your questions and comments are welcome. ..................................................................................................................... >> automatic event recorder: questions/tasks: - how to profit from 24bit to 16bit dithering and 88.2 khz to 44.1 kz resampling for dynamic limiting/compression aka "Automatic Gain Control"? - silence detection (pause of recording or auto cutting) - premastering to have recordings broadcast-ready and normalized (up to the much hated brickwalled optimod FM sound..) - tradeoff between sound quality and throughput - presets for speech, music (jazz, classic, rock, electro), room micros + making podcast "secure" + usability, maintainablity, error control + watchdogs. hardware: terratec phase 22, amd 1400 mhz, 512 RAM, 160 HDD, 2HE case connected to lan/dsl router and balanced audio signal from mixer / pa. input: scheduler data via ical and/or dublin core metadata. analog balanced stereo audio in, 0 - 17 db output podcast xml, mp3 lame 128kbps archive quality luxury version: ogg, flac including appropriate id3 tags with event metadata. file repository (like apache-modmp3) with secure access logs and error reports control: via web interface proposal: when you do not have the time to master large amounts of recorded audio material by hand, an automatic gain control at the time of the recording could help a lot. aiming at a good tradeoff between dynamic compression and sound quality, the main issue is to get a good leveled signal in the digital domain. it could be done by auto-readjusting the input gain, or by using using the headroom of 8 bit, before the 24bit to 16 bit conversion for some smart compressor/limiter magic in real time. the mechanism of dithering/downsampling is known from mastering at the end of the chain (e.g. the waves l-1 maximizer). so why not using it for an unmaintained non-annoying AGC? maybe appropriate algorithms are available from voip projects, or by directly using vst plugins, or tuning of the jamin multiband compressor. a window manager like gnome is not obligatory. we're experimenting with a plugin-chain for alsa, jackd, ecasound based on ladspa/fst. by now we can get a basic setup, but we're not even sure if the AGC is realizeable in this short time.. some basic code is available but we'd need help with making it really run on a more advanced level. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Apr 12 20:32:04 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Apr 12 20:32:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to un-ipod some m4a songs. In-Reply-To: <443BA5F7.2010705@sbcglobal.net> References: <443BA5F7.2010705@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1144888325.28232.30.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 07:49 -0500, Brian Dunn wrote: > I'm trying to un-ipod some songs. > Does anyone know why the following command gives me an mp3 with a horid > hiss? > > #!/bin/bash > for i in *.m4a; do > faad -o - "$i" | lame -m s - -o "${i%m4a}mp3" > done > > using the faad plugin in XMMS gives me crystal clear sound on these > songs, but stinking not so for this here command. > Is there an easy way to get the songs off the iPod under Linux? I had ripped a ton of CDs and put them on my GF's iPod then the disk with iTunes on it failed. I REALLY don't want to rip them all again - can I use this method to turn the .m4as on the iPod into MP3s? (Man I can't believe I wrote that in Apple-Caps) Lee From listreader at lupulin.net Wed Apr 12 20:58:20 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Wed Apr 12 21:02:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to un-ipod some m4a songs. In-Reply-To: <1144888325.28232.30.camel@mindpipe> References: <443BA5F7.2010705@sbcglobal.net> <1144888325.28232.30.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060413005820.GA5097@seraph.office.techtarget.com> On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 08:32:04PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > Is there an easy way to get the songs off the iPod under Linux? I've used gtkpod to get songs off of ipods with both apple and windows formatted ipods, and then used faad/lame to make mp3s. (If the songs are stored as mp3, then obviously no conversion is needed.) The trick is mounting the ipod. gtkpod accesses the ipod thru a normal unix disk mount. for me its: ### IPOD ### #/dev/sda3 /mnt/ipod hfsplus noauto,user,rw 0 0 /dev/sda2 /mnt/ipod vfat noauto,user,rw 0 0 windows partitioned ipods have their data in /dev/sda2, and mac ipods have their data in /dev/sda3 -- paul w From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Apr 12 21:08:59 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Apr 12 21:09:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to un-ipod some m4a songs. In-Reply-To: <20060413005820.GA5097@seraph.office.techtarget.com> References: <443BA5F7.2010705@sbcglobal.net> <1144888325.28232.30.camel@mindpipe> <20060413005820.GA5097@seraph.office.techtarget.com> Message-ID: <1144890540.28232.34.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-04-12 at 20:58 -0400, paul wisehart wrote: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 08:32:04PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > Is there an easy way to get the songs off the iPod under Linux? > > I've used gtkpod to get songs off of ipods with both apple and windows > formatted ipods, and then used faad/lame to make mp3s. > (If the songs are stored as mp3, then obviously no conversion is needed.) > Thanks! I was under the impression it was harder. Isn't it impossible under Windows without a specialized app to mount the partition with the audio files and copy them to your hard drive? Was that just a silly iTunes/driver restriction? Lee From gkjoyce at gmail.com Wed Apr 12 21:36:55 2006 From: gkjoyce at gmail.com (greg) Date: Wed Apr 12 21:37:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] modules rt kernel compile ubuntu dapper In-Reply-To: <878xqaz8ws.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <878xqaz8ws.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <1144892216.20027.9.camel@ubuntu> hello I am trying to compile RT kernel in ubuntu dapper fl6 according to ubntustudio.com instructions. I'm using rt patch 2.6.16.1-rt11, probably not crucial to this problem. when i get to the "make-kpkg modules_clean" step, it prints what looks to be perl code (attached). I saw an old debian error about some mistake in the perl like a bad semicolon. I don't know perl. Anybody know what the deal is and where/how to fix it? -------------- next part -------------- for module in ; do \ if test -d $module; then \ (cd $module; \ if ./debian/rules KVERS="2.6.16.1-rt11" KSRC="/usr/src/linux" \ KMAINT="Unknown Kernel Package Maintainer" KEMAIL=" unknown@unconfigured.in.etc.kernel-pkg.conf" \ KPKG_DEST_DIR="/usr/src/linux/.." \ KPKG_MAINTAINER="Unknown Kernel Package Maintainer" \ ARCH=i386 \ KPKG_EXTRAV_ARG="" \ KDREV="10.00.Custom" kdist_clean; then \ echo "Module $module cleaned"; \ else \ echo "Module $module failed to clean up"; \ echo "Hit return to Continue?"; \ read ans; \ fi; \ ); \ else \ echo "Module $module does not exist"; \ echo "Hit return to Continue?"; \ fi; \ done From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 12 21:45:27 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Wed Apr 12 21:45:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to un-ipod some m4a songs. In-Reply-To: <1144890540.28232.34.camel@mindpipe> References: <443BA5F7.2010705@sbcglobal.net> <1144888325.28232.30.camel@mindpipe> <20060413005820.GA5097@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <1144890540.28232.34.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <443DAD37.1070007@sbcglobal.net> Lee Revell wrote: >On Wed, 2006-04-12 at 20:58 -0400, paul wisehart wrote: > > >>On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 08:32:04PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: >> >> >>>Is there an easy way to get the songs off the iPod under Linux? >>> >>> >>I've used gtkpod to get songs off of ipods with both apple and windows >>formatted ipods, and then used faad/lame to make mp3s. >>(If the songs are stored as mp3, then obviously no conversion is needed.) >> >> >> > >Thanks! I was under the impression it was harder. Isn't it impossible >under Windows without a specialized app to mount the partition with the >audio files and copy them to your hard drive? Was that just a silly >iTunes/driver restriction? > >Lee > > > > Actually it was a little easier than that for me since i have a complete gnome2 instalation with dbus, hal and gvm (gnome-volume-manager). then the iPod is automatcally mounted in /mount/ipod. all you have to do is point gtkpod to it with its menu options and whalah. I even opted to have gtkpod automaicaly open when the iPod is pluged in, and it unmounts the iPod when i close it. and they say linux isn't user friendly. ;-) ( is it just me, or is gtkpod 10x faster than iTunes? ) Brian From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed Apr 12 21:58:00 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Apr 12 21:58:06 2006 Subject: bass punchiness [was Re: [linux-audio-user] I'm back with some music] In-Reply-To: <443D7E81.7080806@gjcp.net> References: <311b5a1a0603250738q4c1e3ed3v@mail.gmail.com> <311b5a1a0603260234p4031d41dg@mail.gmail.com> <311b5a1a0603260241n4ef276bv@mail.gmail.com> <4426EF26.70000@boosthardware.com> <70a871c80603261446j308b6ae0g67ef9d35758335fc@mail.gmail.com> <20060327072540.0a236010@localhost> <442841E6.9030200@boosthardware.com> <443D7E81.7080806@gjcp.net> Message-ID: On 4/13/06, Gordonjcp wrote: > Loki Davison wrote: > > > since fixed with om the settings for nekobee didn't save right, so > > don't have a file to send you ;-). Similar bass can be got by > > Any changes needed to nekobee, or was that ok? > > Gordon. > I think it was an om problem, though i have actually tried dave's fix yet. Do other hosts save nekobee's state properly? Loki From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 12 22:16:51 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Wed Apr 12 22:16:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freecycle screenshots In-Reply-To: <200604111441.29893.viceic@net2000.ch> References: <200604111441.29893.viceic@net2000.ch> Message-ID: <443DB493.4060206@sbcglobal.net> Predrag Viceic wrote: > didn't manage to build it > > that's my boat. how about an ebuild? :) btw, flying red fish is some phat d&b. the new stuff sounds great. many a times i've just pointed my browser that way and let my head start to bob. Love the guitar on this 'blazin' track. How much of this sound is created with os/libre software? From dana at ubuntustudio.com Thu Apr 13 08:02:41 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Thu Apr 13 08:03:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] modules rt kernel compile ubuntu dapper In-Reply-To: <1144892216.20027.9.camel@ubuntu> References: <878xqaz8ws.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1144892216.20027.9.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <1144929761.11644.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-04-12 at 21:36 -0400, greg wrote: > hello > I am trying to compile RT kernel in ubuntu dapper fl6 according to > ubntustudio.com instructions. I'm using rt patch 2.6.16.1-rt11, > probably not crucial to this problem. > when i get to the "make-kpkg modules_clean" step, it prints what looks > to be perl code (attached). > I saw an old debian error about some mistake in the perl like a bad > semicolon. I don't know perl. Anybody know what the deal is and > where/how to fix it? I don't think that's perl. Looks like bash to me. But either way, I don't think that's an error... Do you have any modules to install? If not, then don't worry about it. If you have an NVIDIA module, then just check that it was created, as you should have a .deb package for it in /usr/src/ now. Dana -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060413/624cdde1/attachment.bin From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Apr 13 08:10:48 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Apr 13 08:11:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Demudi can connect to the internet In-Reply-To: <3708282.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <3708282.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <443E3FC8.5000703@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Hi Bal, baldobe wrote: > I am trying to connect to the internet using a debian distro but I can not > even connect to my router. > > I have 3 other debian based distros on the same machine that are all able to > connect. > > I tried to go into the router via telnet but when I type in the router > address 198.168.1.1 I get the reply that is was unable to establish a > connection. > > I also went into my /etc/resolv.conf file, which I had to create, and > entered the primary and secondary DNS addresses. > and set nameserver to the above router address. > > I have had a look at Linux.org beginers guide on how to connect but I do not > get further than telnet connecting to the router. > > Can some one please guide me through what I need to do to connect this > distro to the Internet. > > I have looked at the /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces files in > distros that work and made changes to these files in demudi but I still can > not access the internet from it. When I go to PPPoE setup it says that it > has found one device, eth1, and when I tell it to set it up it says that it > fails. Please could you give us the error messages verbatim? (actually, see below) What is eth0 doing? > I have been struggling for some time on this now. I have googled and read > the demudi FAQ but just can not find anything that enables me to get this > distro to connect to the internet. > > If someone can at least point me in the right direction that would be of > some help. Hrm, this really is a demudi-specific question. It's possible that demudi doesn't have PPPoE supported properly for some reason. It's probably worth opening a ticket here: http://demudi.agnula.org/newticket if it works using vanilla Debian on the same hardware, then you may well have hit a bug. It doesn't look like you are doing anything 'wrong'. Please come and hassle people on users@lists.agnula.org, you probably won't get a lot of interest in this problem here. I'm really sorry to hear that this is still a problem, despite your best efforts to solve it. cheers, tim hall From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Apr 13 08:33:09 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Apr 13 08:33:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi note numbers In-Reply-To: <200603292310.26507.ce@christeck.de> References: <442A90DD.7000605@gmail.com> <200603292117.00769.ce@christeck.de> <1143665301.13933.14.camel@mindpipe> <200603292310.26507.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <443E4505.3080407@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Christoph Eckert wrote: >>Computers count from zero. Always have, always will. > > > yes, of course, I know. > > But it is possible to hide this in user interfaces. IMHO the machines > have to serve the humans, not the other way around. > > How many mails are you reading right now, 0 or 1 ;-) ? It's not a question of number, it's a question of counter position. Yes it does my head in too, but when was the last time you counted from 1 on a ruler? This thread has explained to me why I'm constantly confused as to the location of 'middle C'. I would also like to point out to anyone writing software that uses a MIDI keyboard that, while A=440 is a sane default, there are musically appropriate reasons for variations in the range of A=415 to A=446+ - allowing a slightly greater range of variation (say 400 - 450Hz) could also be useful. I tend not to use software that does not allow this. cheers, tim hall From frank at limov.com Thu Apr 13 12:08:31 2006 From: frank at limov.com (Frank Wales) Date: Thu Apr 13 12:08:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi note numbers In-Reply-To: <443E4505.3080407@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <442A90DD.7000605@gmail.com> <200603292117.00769.ce@christeck.de> <1143665301.13933.14.camel@mindpipe> <200603292310.26507.ce@christeck.de> <443E4505.3080407@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <443E777F.2090003@limov.com> On 04/13/2006 01:33 PM, tim hall wrote: > Christoph Eckert wrote: >>> Computers count from zero. Always have, always will. >> >> yes, of course, I know. >> >> But it is possible to hide this in user interfaces. IMHO the machines >> have to serve the humans, not the other way around. >> >> How many mails are you reading right now, 0 or 1 ;-) ? > > It's not a question of number, it's a question of counter position. Yes > it does my head in too, but when was the last time you counted from 1 on > a ruler? Indeed. I find it amusing that there is a suggestion that counting from '0' is unintuitive in a forum where things we call 'notes' are counted in sets from 'A' to 'G', but starting at 'C'. :-) -- Frank Wales [frank@limov.com] From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Apr 13 12:12:38 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Apr 13 12:10:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New sound card problems Message-ID: <20060413171238.3f6acb50@office> I just recently got an M-Audio 2496 card but am having problems with it:) Under Mandrake 10.1 the card seems to have been recognised OK and the driver ICE1712 [Envy24] has been installed however no applications seem to be able to find the card. Going through Mandrake's own troubleshooting (as root) produces the following: [root@office folderol]# /sbin/chkconfig --list sound sound 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off [root@office folderol]# /sbin/chkconfig --list alsa alsa 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off [root@office folderol]# aumix -q aumix: error opening mixer [root@office folderol]# /sbin/fuser -v /dev/dsp /dev/dsp: No such file or directory [root@office folderol]# I have also just got a copy of Suse 10 so tried that as well on a spare hard drive. This time the card is fully recognised, and sound is produced but is over-loud and distorted when running Amorok. Changing volume levels doesn't seem to help, and the graphic display on Amorok clearly shows clipping going on. Can anyone suggest anything for either of these problems. -- F From malessio at ale.it Thu Apr 13 12:28:54 2006 From: malessio at ale.it (l'Alessio) Date: Thu Apr 13 12:29:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hi all! Message-ID: <52883A08-AB1A-4F7A-AB2B-930EABBD1914@ale.it> My name il Alessio, I'm writing from Italy and I'm aproaching to linux audio recording. We've bought a ice1712 card and we use a P4 2.8Ghz (non HT) with 1Gb of Ram, sata disks and a SiS MoBo. Can someone give me an idea about the limits of this system? Thansk in advance! -- l'Alessio "I computer sono incredibilmente veloci, accurati e stupidi. Gli uomini sono incredibilmente lenti, inaccurati e intelligenti. Insieme sono una potenza che supera l'immaginazione." Albert Einstein From clemens at ladisch.de Thu Apr 13 12:34:33 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu Apr 13 12:34:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New sound card problems In-Reply-To: <20060413171238.3f6acb50@office> References: <20060413171238.3f6acb50@office> Message-ID: <20060413163433.GB2019@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Folderol wrote: > I just recently got an M-Audio 2496 card but am having problems with > it:) > > Under Mandrake 10.1 the card seems to have been recognised OK and the > driver ICE1712 [Envy24] has been installed Does it appear in /proc/asound/cards? > however no applications seem to be able to find the card. Is it listed in the output of "aplay -l"? > I have also just got a copy of Suse 10 so tried that as well on a > spare hard drive. This time the card is fully recognised, and sound is > produced but is over-loud and distorted when running Amorok. Changing > volume levels doesn't seem to help, and the graphic display on Amorok > clearly shows clipping going on. When Amarok decides to send clipped data to the sound card, the driver cannot help. Regards, Clemens From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Thu Apr 13 12:36:37 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Petter_Sundl=F6f?=) Date: Thu Apr 13 12:36:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hi all! In-Reply-To: <52883A08-AB1A-4F7A-AB2B-930EABBD1914@ale.it> References: <52883A08-AB1A-4F7A-AB2B-930EABBD1914@ale.it> Message-ID: <443E7E15.8030401@findus.dhs.org> You'd be able to recording 8 channels simultaneously without a problem; which is the # of channels your sound card limits you to. You can add another ice1712 and have 16 (I use this setup). The processor and memory should suffice for some good stuff, like Ardour recording + Hydrogen (drum sampler) + LinuxSampler (maybe a piano sample)... l'Alessio wrote: > > My name il Alessio, > > I'm writing from Italy and I'm aproaching to linux audio recording. > We've bought a ice1712 card and we use a P4 2.8Ghz (non HT) with 1Gb of > Ram, sata disks and a SiS MoBo. > > Can someone give me an idea about the limits of this system? > > Thansk in advance! > > > --l'Alessio > > "I computer sono incredibilmente veloci, accurati e stupidi. Gli uomini > sono incredibilmente lenti, inaccurati e intelligenti. Insieme sono una > potenza che supera l'immaginazione." Albert Einstein > > > From smoak at mis.net Thu Apr 13 14:47:56 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Thu Apr 13 14:48:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi note numbers In-Reply-To: <443E4505.3080407@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <442A90DD.7000605@gmail.com> <200603292310.26507.ce@christeck.de> <443E4505.3080407@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <200604131447.56476.smoak@mis.net> On Thursday 13 April 2006 08:33, tim hall wrote: > Christoph Eckert wrote: > >>Computers count from zero. Always have, always will. > > > > yes, of course, I know. > > > > But it is possible to hide this in user interfaces. IMHO the > > machines have to serve the humans, not the other way around. > > > > How many mails are you reading right now, 0 or 1 ;-) ? > > It's not a question of number, it's a question of counter position. > Yes it does my head in too, but when was the last time you counted > from 1 on a ruler? > > This thread has explained to me why I'm constantly confused as to the > location of 'middle C'. I would also like to point out to anyone > writing software that uses a MIDI keyboard that, while A=440 is a > sane default, there are musically appropriate reasons for variations > in the range of A=415 to A=446+ - allowing a slightly greater range > of variation (say 400 - 450Hz) could also be useful. I tend not to > use software that does not allow this. > > cheers, > > tim hall Some basic thoughts on note numbering. a Note is a Frequency; ie A440 A880 is the A note an octave above A440 ie frequency doubles On a piano, the lowest note is an A; often piano players call it A1 In that case, A1 (name) is A55 (frequency). Notice that the frequency description of a note sounded is not arbitrary; a plucked string has a fundamental frequency, which we use to describe the sound. Western music notation is based on the idea of note names; ABCDEFG A1, A2, ... are octaves apart. Note that 1 2 3 ... in these names are arbitrarily assigned. We could (and I think some do) call A440 A0. In that case the A an octive below would be called A-1, and it would make prefect sense as long as folks knew what A0 was. In brief, the numbers in note names are arbitrary and based on a logarithmic scale of frequencies. Where the zero point is on that scale is where the midi note numbering confusion arises. And the confusion exist for instrument players in general. > sane default, there are musically appropriate reasons for variations > in the range of A=415 to A=446+ - allowing a slightly greater range > of variation (say 400 - 450Hz) could also be useful. I tend not to > use software that does not allow this. I strongly agree. Isn't that just saying that an instrument should be tune-able. Horns have tuning slides; guitars have pegs. My soundcard has the capability; software that claims to support it should have a tuning slider, peg, widgit, command or something. Marv in Lexington, KY with blue skys, trees in bloom, mid 70s F. From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Apr 13 15:33:37 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Thu Apr 13 15:33:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hi all! In-Reply-To: <443E7E15.8030401@findus.dhs.org> References: <52883A08-AB1A-4F7A-AB2B-930EABBD1914@ale.it> <443E7E15.8030401@findus.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20060413213337.3de9a7f6@mango.fruits> On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:36:37 +0200 Petter Sundl?f wrote: > You'd be able to recording 8 channels simultaneously without a problem; > which is the # of channels your sound card limits you to. You can add > another ice1712 and have 16 (I use this setup). On my 1.2ghz athlon box with a slow ide disk i once managed to record 24 channels simultaneously (actually i was only using my ice 1712 8 inputs (of which only 6 were actually delivering signal (delta 66)) and connected each of those to three ardour tracks). It was hitting the limits and showed some problems with ardour's disk caching back then, but afterwards it went fine (especially with enlarged caching times). So with a recent CPU and a fast disk more should be possible. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From qb at f2s.com Thu Apr 13 15:45:24 2006 From: qb at f2s.com (Q) Date: Thu Apr 13 15:45:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Demudi can connect to the internet In-Reply-To: <443E3FC8.5000703@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <3708282.post@talk.nabble.com> <443E3FC8.5000703@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <443EAA54.5040501@f2s.com> >> I tried to go into the router via telnet but when I type in the router >> address 198.168.1.1 I get the reply that is was unable to establish a >> connection. >> I don't know a huge amount about networking, but shouldn't that be 192.168.1.1? Or was it just a typo and red herring? Q From wsynth at gjcp.net Thu Apr 13 16:04:05 2006 From: wsynth at gjcp.net (Gordonjcp) Date: Thu Apr 13 16:06:18 2006 Subject: bass punchiness [was Re: [linux-audio-user] I'm back with some music] In-Reply-To: References: <311b5a1a0603250738q4c1e3ed3v@mail.gmail.com> <311b5a1a0603260234p4031d41dg@mail.gmail.com> <311b5a1a0603260241n4ef276bv@mail.gmail.com> <4426EF26.70000@boosthardware.com> <70a871c80603261446j308b6ae0g67ef9d35758335fc@mail.gmail.com> <20060327072540.0a236010@localhost> <442841E6.9030200@boosthardware.com> <443D7E81.7080806@gjcp.net> Message-ID: <443EAEB5.9080608@gjcp.net> Loki Davison wrote: > On 4/13/06, Gordonjcp wrote: >> Loki Davison wrote: >> >>> since fixed with om the settings for nekobee didn't save right, so >>> don't have a file to send you ;-). Similar bass can be got by >> Any changes needed to nekobee, or was that ok? >> >> Gordon. >> > > I think it was an om problem, though i have actually tried dave's fix > yet. Do other hosts save nekobee's state properly? To be honest I've only really tried it with jack-dssi-host and ghostess, and I'm not sure either of those save state. Gordon. From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Apr 13 16:11:56 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Apr 13 16:09:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New sound card problems In-Reply-To: <20060413163433.GB2019@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <20060413171238.3f6acb50@office> <20060413163433.GB2019@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <20060413211156.7cc1b7a4@office> On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:34:33 +0200 Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Folderol wrote: > > I just recently got an M-Audio 2496 card but am having problems with > > it:) > > > > Under Mandrake 10.1 the card seems to have been recognised OK and the > > driver ICE1712 [Envy24] has been installed > > Does it appear in /proc/asound/cards? I've never worked out how to do this. if I try to load the 'file' I just get 100% cpu usage producing nothing. > > however no applications seem to be able to find the card. > > Is it listed in the output of "aplay -l"? This returns aplay: device_list:200: no soundcards found... > > I have also just got a copy of Suse 10 so tried that as well on a > > spare hard drive. This time the card is fully recognised, and sound is > > produced but is over-loud and distorted when running Amorok. Changing > > volume levels doesn't seem to help, and the graphic display on Amorok > > clearly shows clipping going on. > > When Amarok decides to send clipped data to the sound card, the driver > cannot help. I was very puzzled by this as an older version of Amorok used to work fine under Mandrake, but I notice this uses the aRts engine (which seems to not be available on Suse. > Regards, > Clemens I am now in the nightmare situation of having a new soundcard which I *know* should work (and be far better than the on-board audio) but unable to use it on either OS :(( -- F From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Thu Apr 13 17:04:14 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Thu Apr 13 17:04:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Trying to reach Patrick Shirkey Message-ID: <000c01c65f3d$d2831e90$0dae52c6@64BitBadass> Hi all, It seems that I am unable to reach Patrick (getting weird 550 relaying denied issue even though I am not relaying on my end). So, Patrick, if you can get this e-mail, could you please contact me asap? Many thanks! Best wishes, Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Composition Virginia Tech Dept. of Music - 0240 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-7047 (540) 231-5034 (fax) ico@vt.edu http://www.music.vt.edu/people/faculty/bukvic/ From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Apr 13 17:08:34 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Apr 13 17:09:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi note numbers In-Reply-To: <200604131447.56476.smoak@mis.net> References: <442A90DD.7000605@gmail.com> <200603292310.26507.ce@christeck.de> <443E4505.3080407@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200604131447.56476.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <443EBDD2.8040607@gmail.com> M P Smoak wrote: > Note that 1 2 3 ... in these names > are arbitrarily assigned. Since I was the original poster I'll speak up. I know noone claimed otherwise, but my point was not so much (at least after a few posts) "what's *the* name of midinote 60, but rather "what's the *most common* (in computer world) name for midinote 60. I was writing a program and might as well choose the most commenly known name for notes rather that picking something out of the blue, which would confuse more people... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Apr 13 17:12:29 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Apr 13 17:12:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New sound card problems In-Reply-To: <20060413211156.7cc1b7a4@office> References: <20060413171238.3f6acb50@office> <20060413163433.GB2019@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <20060413211156.7cc1b7a4@office> Message-ID: <200604132312.30232.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Thursday 13 April 2006 22:11, Folderol wrote: > On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:34:33 +0200 > > Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > Folderol wrote: > > > I just recently got an M-Audio 2496 card but am having problems with > > > it:) > > > > > > Under Mandrake 10.1 the card seems to have been recognised OK and the > > > driver ICE1712 [Envy24] has been installed > > > > Does it appear in /proc/asound/cards? > > I've never worked out how to do this. if I try to load the 'file' I > just get 100% cpu usage producing nothing. Hi Folderol. Use cat. cat /proc/asound/cards cat /proc/asound/version etc. Nigel. > > > > however no applications seem to be able to find the card. > > > > Is it listed in the output of "aplay -l"? > > This returns > aplay: device_list:200: no soundcards found... > > > > I have also just got a copy of Suse 10 so tried that as well on a > > > spare hard drive. This time the card is fully recognised, and sound is > > > produced but is over-loud and distorted when running Amorok. Changing > > > volume levels doesn't seem to help, and the graphic display on Amorok > > > clearly shows clipping going on. > > > > When Amarok decides to send clipped data to the sound card, the driver > > cannot help. > > I was very puzzled by this as an older version of Amorok used to work > fine under Mandrake, but I notice this uses the aRts engine (which > seems to not be available on Suse. > > > Regards, > > Clemens > > I am now in the nightmare situation of having a new soundcard which I > *know* should work (and be far better than the on-board audio) but > unable to use it on either OS :(( From frank at limov.com Thu Apr 13 17:18:19 2006 From: frank at limov.com (Frank Wales) Date: Thu Apr 13 17:18:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi note numbers In-Reply-To: <443EBDD2.8040607@gmail.com> References: <442A90DD.7000605@gmail.com> <200603292310.26507.ce@christeck.de> <443E4505.3080407@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200604131447.56476.smoak@mis.net> <443EBDD2.8040607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <443EC01B.20204@limov.com> On 04/13/2006 10:08 PM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > I know noone claimed otherwise, but my point was not so much (at least > after a few posts) "what's *the* name of midinote 60, but rather "what's > the *most common* (in computer world) name for midinote 60. I was > writing a program and might as well choose the most commenly known name > for notes rather that picking something out of the blue, which would > confuse more people... Might I suggest that, since there is genuine variability in what people name it, that you make this a configuration option, with a sensible default (e.g., A4)? This will fend off complaints from future users who want it to be 'A3' or 'A5', although those who call it 'Monty the Middle Note' might have to lump it. -- Frank Wales [frank@limov.com] From algodonCiego at wanadoo.fr Thu Apr 13 18:08:50 2006 From: algodonCiego at wanadoo.fr (algodon) Date: Thu Apr 13 18:08:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] test Message-ID: <443ECBF2.8020401@wanadoo.fr> -- Cada loco con su tema From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Thu Apr 13 20:45:13 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Thu Apr 13 20:45:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.6.2 Message-ID: Download from http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ Snd-ls is a distribution of Bill Schottstaedt's sound editor SND. Its target is people that don't know scheme very well, and don't want to spend too much time configuring Snd. It can also serve as a quick introduction to Snd and how it can be set up. The biggest thing about this release of Snd-ls is probably that the rt-player is enabled by default. The rt-player is an alternative player engine for SND that plays soundfiles using the rt-extension and reads data from disk through a buffer. The result is less clicks, and more channels can be played safely at once. Changes 0.9.5.5 -> 0.9.6.2 -------------------------- -Moved the dac size slider into the options menu. -Hide listener on startup. -Removed marks stuff from popup menu. (Incompatible with snd_conffile.scm) -Updated Snd from 8.0/30.3 to 8.0/2.4. Many important fixes, including listener stuff. -Removed playing buttons from pop-up menues. -Added checks for gtk-mnemnomnics so that old key-bindings aren't overwritten. -Many fixes for the rt-player. -Various fixes so that debug printing and warnings/errors are put out to the listener as well as stdout/stderr. -Configured the transform view to show sonograms by default. -Increased standard dac-size from 1024 to 2048. -Added shortcut "l" to turn on/off the listener, and added it to the help menu along with the "c" key for turning on/off controls. -Updated Snd from 7.15 to 8.0. -Enabled rt-player by default. rt-player is an alternative player engine for snd, that plays using the rt-extension and reads data from disk through a ringbuffer. The result is less clicks. From swirlee at stickist.com Thu Apr 13 20:44:33 2006 From: swirlee at stickist.com (JP Mercury) Date: Thu Apr 13 20:46:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: Freewheeling 0.5.2 Release Message-ID: <20060414004121.M19211@stickist.com> Folks: Freewheeling 0.5.2 ("The Patch Browser Upgrade") is now available. http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/ You can now browse patches for external synths and plugins right from inside Freewheeling. Bank and program changes are sent via MIDI, and MIDI output ports are switched as needed. Other work (play!) is going on under the surface of development. For example, I am working on Elastin, an efficient time and pitch stretching library that will integrate tightly with Freewheeling, allowing you to do wonderful things in real-time with your loops. First prototype is already complete. I've also been experimenting with networked jams. Currently I am plugging into Ninjam sessions and adding some loop-based jamming to the mix. Time stays syncronized via the Jack transport. People seem to dig the stability that the loops offer. Enjoy, -Mercury --------- ChangeLog: 2006-05-13 v0.5.2 The Patch Browser Upgrade New Features ------------ * Integrated patch browsers for external audio apps * Bank and program changes are now sent based on the patches you define * MIDI outputs are now switched as part of the integrated patch browser * Automatic patch list generation for DSSI softsynths Detail: The Fluidsynth patch browser has been expanded to provide patch browsing for external synths/apps. You can define your patches (MIDI port, channel, bank, program, and name) in external XML patch files. All your patches, internal and external, now appear in the patch browser. The browser now has several pages, one for each MIDI port and channel for which you have defined patches. Therefore, if you have Hexter on channel 1 of MIDI output 1, and WhySynth on channel 2 of MIDI output 1, you can independently browse your Hexter and WhySynth patches right from within Freewheeling. Freewheeling sends the right bank and program changes out the right MIDI port based on your patch definitions. It also echoes your MIDI events to the right place, so that you can switch one keyboard between several softsynths. When you have the patch browser selected, you can use the left/right arrow keys to switch between browser sections. This causes your incoming MIDI events to be switched from one port to another- as defined in your ~/.fweelin.rc and patch XML files. This way, you can quickly switch between softsynths without leaving Freewheeling's interface. To use this feature, please read 'examples/readme.txt' for setup info. I will likely be expanding this to include 'combi' type actions where you can custom configure your MIDI signal to be sent to several softsynths. Then you could, for example, play Hexter with your left hand and Linuxsampler with your right hand. * Configuration files now live in ~/.fweelin/ ~/.fweelin.rc will be moved to ~/.fweelin/.fweelin.rc when you start version 0.5.2. Fixes ----- * Fixed startup segfault when running without integrated FluidSynth -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Apr 13 20:54:31 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Apr 13 20:50:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.6.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1144976071.10666.149.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 17:45 -0700, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > The biggest thing about this release of Snd-ls is probably that the > rt-player is enabled by default. The rt-player is an alternative player > engine for SND that plays soundfiles using the rt-extension and reads data > from disk through a buffer. The result is less clicks, and more channels > can be played safely at once. just think, if this had been in place 4 years ago, ardour's editor would have been snd-as-embedded-widget. good? bad? you tell me ;) --p From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Apr 13 21:23:31 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Apr 13 21:23:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> References: <442FE9E6.5000102@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <443EF993.1040104@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Hi John, John Mulholland wrote: > 1. Is there anywhere non programmers can suggest an application to be > developed? I am sure there are many non programmers with great ideas > lurking on this list. Here? In my experience, this is the most difficult thing to do. Most development around here is developer driven. The problem is that you don't just have to get a dev interested in your idea, you have to get them obsessed. Trying to commission a piece of music would be the same. You could put out a request for a reggae track suitable for dub-mixing, I would probably respond to that that all my ideas are pseudo-classical right now, However, maybe if you catch me in a week when I've been listening to Misty, dunno. Inspiration is difficult to pin down. > 3. I have been chatting with Gianluca who runs openjay about the idea of > putting together a little award or prize for the LAU community. Perhaps > for the years best project or individual. It wouldnt be too difficult to > set up a poll which people can suggest a project/person and vote on it. > I am unemployed at the moment, but happy to contribute some funds. I am > sure many others would be. It is another oppurtunity to give something > back. What do you think? Awards, prizes! great!-) > 4. This may be a little off topic. In fact it is, but I hope it is of > interest to people here. Apologies if not. Recently the Guardian > newspaper in the UK has started a campaign to make govt collected > information freely available. However, there approach is only free as in > beer, not also free as in speech. I have been blogging about this for a > while now and would appreciate some comments and support. You can read > about it all here http://www.midfieldmaestro.com/?p=121 . Stopped reading the Guardian since it lost all its decent writers and became significantly more right wing. May be a good idea. I don't trust their intentions. cheers, tim hall From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Apr 13 21:49:00 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Apr 13 21:49:15 2006 Subject: Skype and LAU (Was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1) In-Reply-To: <20060403224743.GB20375@fliwatut.scifi> References: <1144088925.17713.22.camel@mindpipe> <20060403224743.GB20375@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <443EFF8C.4020201@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > > >>Is Skype for Linux really such a piece of crap, that it won't work with >>one of the best supported devices? > > > Sorry if my next words sound grumpy, it's not meant to be that grumpy > and of course it's not meant against you personally at all, rather to > start a discussion on the general topic "Skype and LAU": > > In my opinion Skype questions are off-topic on this list. Any Skpe > questions should go directly to the Skype support team. The Skype > folks have made it clear that they don't want to deal with open source > developers and they won't support open standards, instead they promote > their proprietary system. I would prefer it if this mailing list would > not become a Skype support forum. Interesting. Skype does work under Linux and it does use Audio. However so do a lot of other applications that we don't generally discuss. The fact that Skype doesn't support open standards is a problem. Incidentally I am uninstalling it as I type because it just annoys me. Can't say I'm really that bothered either way, although it has to be said, I'm having trouble keeping up with this list these days due to the sheer volume of traffic. cheers, tim hall From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Apr 13 22:29:47 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Apr 13 22:30:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Regarding the file sharing site In-Reply-To: <1144375234.26967.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1144296105.27240.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <87d5fufrxa.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1144350125.20135.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <8764lmfkak.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1144375234.26967.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <443F091B.9070603@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Dana Olson wrote: > I still question that GPL is even an appropriate license for such files. Have to agree. I think it is the wrong license for creative materials. Sure, I don't want to put a downer on Esben's ideas either, but I think his is an exceptional/experimental case. I don't think most musicians are going to comfortable with GPL. cheers, tim hall From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Apr 13 22:44:18 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Apr 13 22:44:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604051606w5671f05ftcd34f45fa7c6692d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <20060405222326.GA20981@slinkp.com> <5bdc1c8b0604051606w5671f05ftcd34f45fa7c6692d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <443F0C82.9010304@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Mark Knecht wrote: > CAVEAT: I haven't used LS in 6-8 months since they switched the > license to non-Open Source. I know this is a pointless comment, but really, what is the point in making an application with 'Linux' in the name that is not open source? Seems rather backward to me. "Just think of their offspring, if offspring there be, They'll never receive any blessing from me." Flanders & Swann - misalliance (probably misquoted too) cheers, tim hall From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Apr 14 00:22:17 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Apr 14 00:23:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <443F0C82.9010304@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <20060405222326.GA20981@slinkp.com> <5bdc1c8b0604051606w5671f05ftcd34f45fa7c6692d@mail.gmail.com> <443F0C82.9010304@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604132122p67082265x715910eab26e32e1@mail.gmail.com> On 4/13/06, tim hall wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > CAVEAT: I haven't used LS in 6-8 months since they switched the > > license to non-Open Source. > > I know this is a pointless comment, but really, what is the point in > making an application with 'Linux' in the name that is not open source? > > Seems rather backward to me. Rather. I completely agree. When people use the Open Source community to develop an application, but then take it private in an apparentl attempt to use it for their personal financial benefit, we get things like this happening. It's not that it isn't available. I suppose it is. I just use GigaStudio and Acid Pro for my sampling and loop playing needs and left LS behind. All of this is supposition and patently unfair, I'm sure, but the developers wouldn't explain their actions in an open forum so that we'd understand it so we were (I was) left with no option but to guess. Cheers, Mark From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Apr 14 07:55:04 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Apr 14 07:55:14 2006 Subject: distorting Linuxsampler, was Re: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604132122p67082265x715910eab26e32e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <20060405222326.GA20981@slinkp.com> <5bdc1c8b0604051606w5671f05ftcd34f45fa7c6692d@mail.gmail.com> <443F0C82.9010304@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <5bdc1c8b0604132122p67082265x715910eab26e32e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <443F8D98.5050303@woh.rr.com> Mark Knecht wrote: >When people use the Open Source community to develop an application, >but then take it private in an apparentl attempt to use it for their >personal financial benefit, we get things like this happening. It's >not that it isn't available. I suppose it is. I just use GigaStudio >and Acid Pro for my sampling and loop playing needs and left LS >behind. > > I'm not making much sense of this rationale, Mark. In the first place I haven't yet seen proof that LS is being developed for someone's personal financial benefit or that it's been "taken private". I just now downloaded the latest CVS sources, no problem. However, I do agree that the authors' stipulation re: commercial work is in opposition to the GPL. I've heard RMS address this issue a few times, he's been clear about it: The GPL doesn't interfere with deployment, period. If someone wants to use LS in a commercial venture, they can do so *as long as* they abide by all other terms of the license. Or am I missing something else ? And of course, with GS and AP we can have no such moral, ethical, or ideological concerns because we accept from the point of purchase that we can know absolutely *nothing* regarding their code base, whether they've lifted code from anywhere, or even whether they use their profits from our purchases to fund oppressive regimes. We just want the tool, we want no involvement with it beyond its use. Which is good, because most manufacturers seem to want little more from their customers than the money anyway. It starts to sound like prostitution, doesn't it ? ;-) >All of this is supposition and patently unfair, I'm sure, but the >developers wouldn't explain their actions in an open forum so that >we'd understand it so we were (I was) left with no option but to >guess. > > You stated specifically in an earlier message that the authors switched the license to a "non-Open Source" license. What license is that ? The only license I see advertised on the LS Web site is the GPL. Please elucidate. :) I'll write to Christian about this issue. I'd like to include LS in the book project, and I've planned to profile it in my column for LJ, so I want clarity re: the license. Of one thing I'm certain: The GPL does not internally restrict deployment, and the LS authors would be prudent to remove the stipulation. Btw, the stipulation itself, however commendably motivated, flies in the face of the GPL's intention to protect the rights of the *user*. This alone should be reason enough to remove it. Just my dos pesos. Best, dp From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Apr 14 09:33:54 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Apr 14 09:34:11 2006 Subject: distorting Linuxsampler, was Re: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler distortion? In-Reply-To: <443F8D98.5050303@woh.rr.com> References: <20060405190135.GB19189@slinkp.com> <1144269612.14746.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060405214009.GA20537@slinkp.com> <1144274752.4017.15.camel@mindpipe> <20060405222326.GA20981@slinkp.com> <5bdc1c8b0604051606w5671f05ftcd34f45fa7c6692d@mail.gmail.com> <443F0C82.9010304@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <5bdc1c8b0604132122p67082265x715910eab26e32e1@mail.gmail.com> <443F8D98.5050303@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604140633s5fff9ec4ta397dcdfa6c60567@mail.gmail.com> Hi Dave, On 4/14/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > >When people use the Open Source community to develop an application, > >but then take it private in an apparentl attempt to use it for their > >personal financial benefit, we get things like this happening. It's > >not that it isn't available. I suppose it is. I just use GigaStudio > >and Acid Pro for my sampling and loop playing needs and left LS > >behind. > > > > > I'm not making much sense of this rationale, Mark. In the first place I > haven't yet seen proof that LS is being developed for someone's personal > financial benefit or that it's been "taken private". I just now > downloaded the latest CVS sources, no problem. By 'taken private' I did not mean people couldn't download it, even though there was a period of time where the LS server didn't allow it. By 'taken private' I meant that the license was changed to inhibit fair & open competition by multiple for-profit vendors who might like to use LS in a product that produced revenue because to even try to do it they had to get the developers permission, which can be withheld. My view is multiple vendors using LS in commercial products is a good thing for the LS community overall. They would be doing fixes and adding features that would be fed back into the Open Source code and benefiting users of that code. > > However, I do agree that the authors' stipulation re: commercial work is > in opposition to the GPL. I've heard RMS address this issue a few times, > he's been clear about it: The GPL doesn't interfere with deployment, > period. If someone wants to use LS in a commercial venture, they can do > so *as long as* they abide by all other terms of the license. Right. But the license, as it was modified, prohibits exactly that from happening without the permission of the authors. The Debian guys dropped, at one time, LS from their releases simply because the text of the GPL was changed. It didn't seem to matter what he change was since the GPL says no one can change it except for the people who wrote it. (I.e - not the LS developers) > > Or am I missing something else ? I don't think so. > > And of course, with GS and AP we can have no such moral, ethical, or > ideological concerns because we accept from the point of purchase that > we can know absolutely *nothing* regarding their code base, whether > they've lifted code from anywhere, or even whether they use their > profits from our purchases to fund oppressive regimes. We just want the > tool, we want no involvement with it beyond its use. Which is good, > because most manufacturers seem to want little more from their customers > than the money anyway. When I first started using, and more importantly supporting the development of Linux application I felt much the same way. Over time I developed some of my own thoughts around the idea that very few Open Source apps, while good apps, ever make it to the level that a commercial app does in terms of features and support. My thought, as a non-programmer, was that if I did whatever little bit I could to help the Open Source app become better, and the app eventually became good enough for a for-profit company to pick up and start running with it, then maybe I'd finally get the features that the for-no-profit Open Source development team never had the interest or manpower to implement. The change that the guys made to the LS license created barriers to this. > > It starts to sound like prostitution, doesn't it ? ;-) You said it not me, but if it feels good what harm is caused? ;-) > > >All of this is supposition and patently unfair, I'm sure, but the > >developers wouldn't explain their actions in an open forum so that > >we'd understand it so we were (I was) left with no option but to > >guess. > > > > > You stated specifically in an earlier message that the authors switched > the license to a "non-Open Source" license. What license is that ? The > only license I see advertised on the LS Web site is the GPL. Please > elucidate. :) Please read the license. At one time they changed the text. It says GPL in the title but it was modified in this one area to prohibit commercial use without the developer's permission. As I've also said, I haven't touched the program for probably 8-12 months so what you download today could be different, either fixed and better or worse. >From the start of the FAQ page on the LS.org website it appears they haven't changed and are modifying GPL, which itself is not allowed by GPL: http://www.linuxsampler.org/faq.html Pure GPL wouldn't prohibit this, therefore it follows that LS is not using pure GPL. > > I'll write to Christian about this issue. I'd like to include LS in the > book project, and I've planned to profile it in my column for LJ, so I > want clarity re: the license. Of one thing I'm certain: The GPL does not > internally restrict deployment, and the LS authors would be prudent to > remove the stipulation. > > Btw, the stipulation itself, however commendably motivated, flies in the > face of the GPL's intention to protect the rights of the *user*. This > alone should be reason enough to remove it. > > Just my dos pesos. and my Dos Equis, XX (aka Mark) > > Best, > > dp > > From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Apr 14 11:01:19 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri Apr 14 10:57:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.6.2 In-Reply-To: References: <1144976071.10666.149.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1145026880.10666.154.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 16:47 +0200, andersvi@extern.uio.no wrote: > >>> "P" == Paul Davis writes: > P> > P> On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 17:45 -0700, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > >> The biggest thing about this release of Snd-ls is probably that the > >> rt-player is enabled by default. The rt-player is an alternative player > >> engine for SND that plays soundfiles using the rt-extension and reads data > >> from disk through a buffer. The result is less clicks, and more channels > >> can be played safely at once. > P> > P> just think, if this had been in place 4 years ago, ardour's editor would > P> have been snd-as-embedded-widget. good? bad? you tell me ;) > > It would make for an extremely powerful and flexible audio > environment with a fast interface. Might we hope? i wouldn't spend any time hoping. i spent a month or so back in 2000/2001 trying to use snd as ardour's editor. when it became clear that it couldn't handle much more than about 8-12 tracks of playback, while ardour itself could do 32+, all other considerations were put aside and it was clear we had to develop our own. the other major problem with snd is that it has no concept of regions - its model for audio data is that its a continuous file rather than a playlist. that pretty much ended any debate on the matter. > Talking about fate and hope and such: an import/export of > suitable versions of ardours playlists (timed objects) in ardour > would be great to interface it cleanly to tools like CM. An > "object" would consist of time, source, region, route'gain > automation-data, everything making up a regions situation in a > mix. this is something you can hope for. we already allow per-region export, but the workflow leaves something to be desired. --p From adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr Fri Apr 14 11:09:40 2006 From: adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr (Adrien DANIEL) Date: Fri Apr 14 11:09:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Java and native MIDI ports Message-ID: <20060414170940.ivsfveb9hpc084cc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Hi there ! I don't know if asking that kind of question here is a good thing, but I try ! I am working on a little software for a work in my university. Its way of working is very simple : It gets MIDI events from a (virtual) port, modify them, and then send MIDI events to a (virtual) MIDI port. Typically, it looks like this : Instrument MIDI Output ---> My software ---> Input Soft Synth My problem is about opening those virtuals MIDI ports. I know how to do that with the ALSA API, but I would like to get that job done in Java. In fact, I wanna code my whole sofware in Java. I read somewhere (http://jsresources.sourceforge.net/faq_midi.html#connect_midi) that the native apps MIDI ports of the ALSA system where reachable in the Java 5 Sound API (as MidiDevice) when the virmidi module is loaded. Well, I loaded it, listed every MidiDevice availables on the Java System with a little piece of Java code, but I can't see, for example, the vkeybd Output port or the FluidSynth Input port ! Could someone help me ? :'( Cheers, AD From ce at christeck.de Fri Apr 14 11:15:16 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri Apr 14 11:14:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Java and native MIDI ports In-Reply-To: <20060414170940.ivsfveb9hpc084cc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> References: <20060414170940.ivsfveb9hpc084cc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Message-ID: <200604141715.17162.ce@christeck.de> > My problem is about opening those virtuals MIDI ports. I know how to > do that with the ALSA API, but I would like to get that job done in > Java. In fact, I wanna code my whole sofware in Java. JSynthLib optionally uses Tritonus as a MIDI provider; I guess it's what you want to use. Best regards ce From adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr Fri Apr 14 12:29:57 2006 From: adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr (Adrien DANIEL) Date: Fri Apr 14 12:30:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Java and native MIDI ports In-Reply-To: <200604141715.17162.ce@christeck.de> References: <20060414170940.ivsfveb9hpc084cc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <200604141715.17162.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20060414182957.x2ig4vwzh0gk0kos@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Christoph Eckert wrote : >> My problem is about opening those virtuals MIDI ports. I know how to >> do that with the ALSA API, but I would like to get that job done in >> Java. In fact, I wanna code my whole sofware in Java. > > JSynthLib optionally uses Tritonus as a MIDI provider; I guess it's what > you want to use. Tritonus seems to be an old project (no release since september 2000) and to be tricky to get working. Using the JAVA Sound API would be more elegant, in my opinion... In the link given in my previous post, it is told that accessing natives applications MIDI ports is possible, so I would prefer to use that way. Does someone did that yet ? Thank you, AD From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Apr 14 13:33:52 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri Apr 14 13:34:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Java and native MIDI ports In-Reply-To: <20060414170940.ivsfveb9hpc084cc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> References: <20060414170940.ivsfveb9hpc084cc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Message-ID: <443FDD00.2020102@gmail.com> Adrien DANIEL wrote: > Instrument MIDI Output ---> My software ---> Input Soft Synth It might be totally besides the point, but (depending on what kind of processing you plan on doing) this looks alot like ace, a piece of python I wrote. You can have a look at: http://www.atte.dk/ace -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps From adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr Fri Apr 14 14:06:57 2006 From: adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr (Adrien DANIEL) Date: Fri Apr 14 14:07:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Java and native MIDI ports In-Reply-To: <443FDD00.2020102@gmail.com> References: <20060414170940.ivsfveb9hpc084cc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <443FDD00.2020102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060414200657.8bg8npruxt8o8owk@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote : > Adrien DANIEL wrote: > >> Instrument MIDI Output ---> My software ---> Input Soft Synth > > It might be totally besides the point, but (depending on what kind of > processing you plan on doing) this looks alot like ace, a piece of > python I wrote. You can have a look at: > > http://www.atte.dk/ace Thank you very much, I'll take a look at it. However, I would like to write my app in Java. AD From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Apr 14 15:01:11 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Apr 14 14:58:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New sound card problems - getting longer - Pah! In-Reply-To: <200604132312.30232.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <20060413171238.3f6acb50@office> <20060413163433.GB2019@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <20060413211156.7cc1b7a4@office> <200604132312.30232.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20060414200111.56a396ef@office> On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:12:29 +0200 Nigel Henry wrote: > On Thursday 13 April 2006 22:11, Folderol wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:34:33 +0200 > > > > Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > > Folderol wrote: > > > > I just recently got an M-Audio 2496 card but am having problems with > > > > it:) > > > > > > > > Under Mandrake 10.1 the card seems to have been recognised OK and the > > > > driver ICE1712 [Envy24] has been installed > > > > > > Does it appear in /proc/asound/cards? > > > > I've never worked out how to do this. if I try to load the 'file' I > > just get 100% cpu usage producing nothing. > > Hi Folderol. Use cat. > cat /proc/asound/cards > cat /proc/asound/version > etc. Nigel. OK Thanks. It seems that the system doesn't think there is a soundcard there, although MCC says there is and the driver is installed for it! BTW I gave up on Suse completely in the end - too many problems. I then used the spare disk to do a fresh install of Mdk with the new card installed (I've know Mdk to get upset by hardware changes in the past). However that gave exactly the same result with a basic install and no messing about, so presumably Mdk 10.1 is just too old for this card. I was waiting for a more stable Mdr (2007 maybe) before doing an upgrade of my main system. However... I have managed to get my greasy little paws on a copy of Demudi. This installed perfectly and in no time at all I was admiring the considerably improved output quality of the new card, and able to make clean recordings AND use if for MIDI with no messing about. I've been able to get Rosegarden controlling softsynths and my external synths. This sounds very nice, but I haven't worked out how to record the results yet! But... I really dislike the gnome desktop. It seems incredibly flaky if you try to alter the configuration at all - visions of Windows policies. Also I've never used debian before and am finding it very strange. How do you install an alternative window manager etc? I'm used to ROX, ROX Session and OroboROX and so far I have had no success getting those on the system. So... My current position is that I have one HD with my general working OS on it, and swap it over with another if I want to play (very carefully) with audio. This tends to put a crimp on any creative activity for either! -- F From torbenh at gmx.de Fri Apr 14 15:07:20 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Fri Apr 14 15:11:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Java and native MIDI ports In-Reply-To: <20060414170940.ivsfveb9hpc084cc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> References: <20060414170940.ivsfveb9hpc084cc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Message-ID: <20060414190720.GC8394@mobilat> On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 05:09:40PM +0200, Adrien DANIEL wrote: > Hi there ! > > I don't know if asking that kind of question here is a good thing, but I > try ! > > I am working on a little software for a work in my university. Its way > of working is very simple : It gets MIDI events from a (virtual) port, > modify them, and then send MIDI events to a (virtual) MIDI port. > Typically, it looks like this : > > Instrument MIDI Output ---> My software ---> Input Soft Synth > > My problem is about opening those virtuals MIDI ports. I know how to do > that with the ALSA API, but I would like to get that job done in Java. > In fact, I wanna code my whole sofware in Java. first of all: Do not use java. it suxx :) > > I read somewhere > (http://jsresources.sourceforge.net/faq_midi.html#connect_midi) that > the native apps MIDI ports of the ALSA system where reachable in the > Java 5 Sound API (as MidiDevice) when the virmidi module is loaded. the virmidi device acts as a bridge between alsa-seq midi ports and raw-midi ports. These are two different flavours. You need to connect your app to the virmidi RAW ports, then connect the virmidi SEQ ports via aconnect or qjackctl or whatever although using aconnect seems easy if java has something like the system(3) call. > > Well, I loaded it, listed every MidiDevice availables on the Java > System with a little piece of Java code, but I can't see, for example, > the vkeybd Output port or the FluidSynth Input port ! > > Could someone help me ? :'( > > Cheers, > AD > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From t_w_ at freenet.de Fri Apr 14 16:35:15 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Fri Apr 14 16:36:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Dirty Monkey Message-ID: <20060414203515.GA32681@charly.SWORD> Hi! Quite a while ago, I decided to create a sample-free piece of music, where everything is generated with Om (modular synthesizer). To test Om, to learn how to use it and to achieve non-static sounds with modulation and random influences (I tend to think many of my old tracks suffer from rather 'dead' sounds ...). Since I've been working on this now and then for so long, I guess I lost my objectivity even more than usual, so feedback is especialy welcome ;) I might update the track once afterwards. The dirty monkey is kinda pissed, but optimistic (that's the mood I wanted, at least, as I feel like that sometimes). http://www.archive.org/details/dirty_monkey Oops, the archive has eaten the ogg, I'm about to fix that now. Cheers, Thorsten Wilms From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Fri Apr 14 16:37:17 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Apr 14 16:37:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20060414190005.16591.21810.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu> References: <20060414190005.16591.21810.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu> Message-ID: Paul Davis: > > On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 16:47 +0200, andersvi@extern.uio.no wrote: >>>>> "P" == Paul Davis writes: >> P> >> P> On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 17:45 -0700, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >>>> The biggest thing about this release of Snd-ls is probably that the >>>> rt-player is enabled by default. The rt-player is an alternative player >>>> engine for SND that plays soundfiles using the rt-extension and reads data >>>> from disk through a buffer. The result is less clicks, and more channels >>>> can be played safely at once. >> P> >> P> just think, if this had been in place 4 years ago, ardour's editor would >> P> have been snd-as-embedded-widget. good? bad? you tell me ;) >> >> It would make for an extremely powerful and flexible audio >> environment with a fast interface. Might we hope? > > i wouldn't spend any time hoping. i spent a month or so back in > 2000/2001 trying to use snd as ardour's editor. when it became clear > that it couldn't handle much more than about 8-12 tracks of playback, > while ardour itself could do 32+, all other considerations were put > aside and it was clear we had to develop our own. the other major > problem with snd is that it has no concept of regions - its model for > audio data is that its a continuous file rather than a playlist. that > pretty much ended any debate on the matter. > Yeah, that makes sense. However, it would be very nice to have snd as a widget in ardour to edit single soundfiles. If you add some guile functions in ardour to update the graphs in the multitracker waveforms views as well, one could edit in snd (inside ardour somewhere) and immediately see changes in the multitracker view. From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Fri Apr 14 16:44:33 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Fri Apr 14 16:46:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] System clock running too fast with realtime kernel Message-ID: <200604142244.33865.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Hi, I noticed that my system clock is too fast by about 5 seconds per hour when running under a realtime kernel. I'm using kernel 2.6.16 on an Athlon XP with VIA KT600 chipset. With a non-realtime kernel, using exactly the same config (except for preemption mode, of course) the clock is ok. I don't remember having this problem on kernel versions before 2.6.16 (or maybe 2.6.15, I'm not sure), but I don't know if this is due to a change in the kernel or in my own config. Has anyone seen this problem before, or does anyone know what I could do about it? Also, is there a more appropriate place to report problems with the realtime kernel patches? Thanks, Dominic From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Fri Apr 14 17:13:58 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Fri Apr 14 17:14:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Dirty Monkey In-Reply-To: <20060414203515.GA32681@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <000101c66008$588a95c0$3402a8c0@64BitBadass> Man, that was exactly what I needed to keep going :-) Thank you! Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Thorsten Wilms > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 4:35 PM > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Dirty Monkey > > Hi! > > Quite a while ago, I decided to create a sample-free piece of music, > where everything is generated with Om (modular synthesizer). > To test Om, to learn how to use it and to achieve non-static sounds > with modulation and random influences (I tend to think many of my > old tracks suffer from rather 'dead' sounds ...). > > Since I've been working on this now and then for so long, I guess > I lost my objectivity even more than usual, so feedback is especialy > welcome ;) I might update the track once afterwards. > > The dirty monkey is kinda pissed, but optimistic (that's the mood > I wanted, at least, as I feel like that sometimes). > > http://www.archive.org/details/dirty_monkey > > Oops, the archive has eaten the ogg, I'm about to fix that now. > > > Cheers, > Thorsten Wilms From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Apr 14 17:23:15 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Apr 14 17:24:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Dirty Monkey In-Reply-To: <20060414203515.GA32681@charly.SWORD> References: <20060414203515.GA32681@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: Sup Thorsten! The Intro is Earth-Shaking. Good Stuff. Hard techno and borderline psychedelic. Almost a tune I could hear played in St. Gallen's very own ElectroKeller. But then the melody comes in and ruins it. Off the top of my head I'd scrap the melody completely and use the harmonies VERY sparingly as orchestra jabs. I'd also get a title that sounds 'cool' :) Carlo From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Fri Apr 14 20:08:57 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Fri Apr 14 20:01:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New release of AMB plugins Message-ID: <20060415000857.GA5104@linux-1> A second release of the Ambisonics plugins is now available. * Added cube (8-speaker) decoder. * Removed conflicting port hints. -- FA Follie! Follie! Delirio vano e' questo! From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sat Apr 15 00:09:06 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Fri Apr 14 22:10:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] (no subject) In-Reply-To: (Kjetil S. Matheussen's message of "Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:37:17 -0700 (PDT)") References: <20060414190005.16591.21810.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <871wvzqy3h.fsf@esben-stien.name> "Kjetil S. Matheussen" writes: > snd as a widget in ardour How about doing this with the verse protocol and daemon or in the same spirit?. That way, any editor that supports this protocol, could edit a live region. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From vfunc at talktalk.net Sat Apr 15 01:59:22 2006 From: vfunc at talktalk.net (Daniel) Date: Sat Apr 15 01:59:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for midi libraries / dev and source example for playback Message-ID: <001501c66051$be7a2050$bc410d54@DANSHOME> I'm looking for midi libraries / dev and source example for playback Running gentoo on AMD 64 and I have a midisport 4x4. Thanks Daniel From adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr Sat Apr 15 09:54:01 2006 From: adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr (Adrien DANIEL) Date: Sat Apr 15 09:54:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25 issues with ALSA Message-ID: <20060415155401.zhpzwpdv0xi8og08@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Hi ! I am sorry, I am asking a lot of questions on these lists, but please believe me, I try to search by myself before posting ! Well, my problem is very simple : my Edirol UA-25 does not want to work on my Linux DeMuDi testing... First thing : my UA-25 is not detected at boot time. So, I load the snd-usb-audio module. Fine, now my card appears in the ALSA system. The MIDI ports work fine. No problem on that point. Now, when I try to launch Jack on my UA-25, it does not work at all : ALSA: cannot set hardware parameters for playback ALSA: cannot configure playback channel cannot load driver module alsa I tried to launch XMMS with the ALSA output driver, and it does not work better. I have done all the things that are written on the ALSA website for the support of the UA-25 with snd-usb-audio driver : creation of the /etc/modutils/alsa file and of the .asoundrc file, and I have run update-modules. The /etc/modules.conf file has been modified by the script, so it's ok. The problem seems to come from my ALSA configuration. I have tried alsaconf, but it only detects my integrated ESS Maestro3. And my hardware configuration is ok, because when I try the DeMuDi live CD, everything works for my UA-25 ! Grrr, I am getting crazy with all my audio problems ! Please.......... AD From ce at christeck.de Sat Apr 15 10:08:43 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Apr 15 10:07:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25 issues with ALSA In-Reply-To: <20060415155401.zhpzwpdv0xi8og08@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> References: <20060415155401.zhpzwpdv0xi8og08@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Message-ID: <200604151608.43263.ce@christeck.de> > Grrr, I am getting crazy with all my audio problems ! be patient, it's worth the wait :) . Loading snd_usb_audio is enough. If it's present, the UA-25 will work. I run jack (via qjackctl of course) with the following parameters: /usr/local/bin/jackd -R -P83 -p64 -dalsa -dhw:2 -r48000 -p256 -n3 The only thing you need to adjust is -d, maybe -dhw:1. BTW: alsaconf cannot configure your USB devices. IF you try the following and it doesn't work, please send the output of: cat /proc/asound/cards uname -a cat /proc/asound/version The audio section of /etc/modules.conf Best regards ce From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Apr 15 10:36:37 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Apr 15 10:36:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Dirty Monkey In-Reply-To: References: <20060414203515.GA32681@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060415143637.GB11557@charly.SWORD> Thanks, Ico. On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 11:23:15PM +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > The Intro is Earth-Shaking. Good Stuff. Hard techno and borderline > psychedelic. Almost a tune I could hear played in St. Gallen's very own > ElectroKeller. Thanks :) > But then the melody comes in and ruins it. Off the top of my head I'd > scrap the melody completely and use the harmonies VERY sparingly as > orchestra jabs. Hrmpf. Well, I see where you're coming from. For a club track, I would definitely have to at least reduce the lead. But without, it doesn't have the feel I wanted. While working on it, I often asked myself if there's a nice kind of tension or if it just bites, though. I'm not willing to remove the lead. But I added an archive with all Om patches, the MusE and JAMin files and a MIDI export, so anyone can work with it (all cc-by-sa). Requires recent Om CVS, though. It's all open source, baby! ;) http://www.archive.org/download/dirty_monkey/dirty_monkey.tar.bz2 > I'd also get a title that sounds 'cool' :) To me, Dirty Monkey does sound cool ;p --- Thorsten From lau at ballen.fastmail.fm Sat Apr 15 10:45:51 2006 From: lau at ballen.fastmail.fm (Bill Allen) Date: Sat Apr 15 10:46:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Rosegarden-user] New/nuevo Colombo drumkit demo / rosegarden + hydrogen + zynaddsubfx In-Reply-To: <200604150449.17797.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200604150449.17797.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4441071F.6040004@ballen.fastmail.fm> Marcos Guglielmetti Gmail wrote: > ftp://ftp.musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/audio/demo-colombo-hydrogen_zyn_rosegarden.ogg > > 1 [english] > 2 [espa?ol] > > -- > > 1 [english] > > Demo Colombo Hydrogen Drumkit + Zynaddsubfx > > This song was made completely with Musix GNU+Linux, using Rosegarden as > a MIDI sequencer, Zynaddsubfx as a sound module for melodic instruments > and Hydrogen for percussion using the new "Colombo" Drumkit; I put > some extra reverb into the toms using the hydrogen's ladspa plugins > ability: CAPS versatile verb 2x2 > > > ---------- > > 2 [espa?ol] > > Demo Colombo Hydrogen Drumkit + Zynaddsubfx > > Esta canci?n fue realizada completamente con Musix GNU+Linux, utilizando > Rosegarden como secuenciador MIDI, Zynaddsubfx como m?dulo de sonido > para instrumentos mel?dicos, e Hydrogen como m?dulo de sonido para la > percusi?n usando el nuevo Drumkit "Colombo", agregu? c?mara en tiempo > real a los toms desde hydrogen: plugin LADSPA: CAPS versatile verb 2x2 > > > Good sound and nice tune Marcos. Did you do the guitar sounds with zynaddsubfx or with a guitar? Bill From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Apr 15 10:46:51 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Apr 15 10:47:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Rosegarden 1.2.3 debs? In-Reply-To: <1140310633.2733.313.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060217053032.5E22667E55F@music.columbia.edu> <43F7BF37.4060702@wildpenguin.net> <1140310633.2733.313.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200604151546.52170.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Sunday 19 February 2006 00:57, Lee Revell was like: > No it won't. IMHO it reflects badly on any distro that changed the > default to 250HZ. You are annoyingly correct. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From lau at ballen.fastmail.fm Sat Apr 15 10:57:06 2006 From: lau at ballen.fastmail.fm (Bill Allen) Date: Sat Apr 15 10:57:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Dirty Monkey In-Reply-To: <20060415143637.GB11557@charly.SWORD> References: <20060414203515.GA32681@charly.SWORD> <20060415143637.GB11557@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <444109C2.2050409@ballen.fastmail.fm> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Thanks, Ico. > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 11:23:15PM +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > >> The Intro is Earth-Shaking. Good Stuff. Hard techno and borderline >> psychedelic. Almost a tune I could hear played in St. Gallen's very own >> ElectroKeller. >> > > Thanks :) > > > >> But then the melody comes in and ruins it. Off the top of my head I'd >> scrap the melody completely and use the harmonies VERY sparingly as >> orchestra jabs. >> > > Hrmpf. Well, I see where you're coming from. For a club track, I would > definitely have to at least reduce the lead. But without, it doesn't > have the feel I wanted. While working on it, I often asked myself if > there's a nice kind of tension or if it just bites, though. > > I'm not willing to remove the lead. But I added an archive with all > Om patches, the MusE and JAMin files and a MIDI export, so anyone > can work with it (all cc-by-sa). Requires recent Om CVS, though. > It's all open source, baby! ;) > > http://www.archive.org/download/dirty_monkey/dirty_monkey.tar.bz2 > > > >> I'd also get a title that sounds 'cool' :) >> > > To me, Dirty Monkey does sound cool ;p > > > --- > Thorsten > Keep the lead and the name. It's all good stuff. Nice track. Thanks for sharing. Bill From mike.taht at gmail.com Sat Apr 15 11:09:42 2006 From: mike.taht at gmail.com (Mike Taht) Date: Sat Apr 15 11:09:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 + X86_64 + RT16 = no boot Message-ID: <158277e20604150809r51574efdg97cdca69d1be4c30@mail.gmail.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: x86_64_laptop_rt.config.bz2 Type: application/x-bzip2 Size: 13720 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060415/f39db9ae/x86_64_laptop_rt.config-0001.bin From lau at ballen.fastmail.fm Sat Apr 15 11:28:59 2006 From: lau at ballen.fastmail.fm (Bill Allen) Date: Sat Apr 15 11:29:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Questions about qsynth, swami and soundfonts Message-ID: <4441113B.6040503@ballen.fastmail.fm> Having located a collection of soundfonts that I like, I'm interested in performing. I like the graphical interface to qsynth for loading and using soundfonts, but there are a couple of limitations for live performance it seems. Maybe these things are ignorance on my part and if so I hope that somebody can put an end to that state. First, in order to change the current soundfont, you've got to select Channels, then right click on the channel you want to change and hunt for the soundfont you want in that channel. This is partially mitigated by having presets, but what that implies to me is that I'd have to have a preset for every soundfont program that I ever want to use. What I'd really like is a simple list of all the programs and be able to select the one I want with one click. How do others deal with this? Second, it seems that soundfonts can hide other soundfonts. In other words, the order in which you place the soundfonts in setup/soundfonts matters. If you've got a soundfont that claims the same program number that comes after another soundfont in the list, that program hides the other one. Even in the best of worlds this would be a problem - the best of worlds defined as one in which the soundfont authors actually used the suggested midi program numbers for standard instruments (i.e. 64 for Soprano Sax, etc). It is a problem since many soundfonts have the same instrument with different tones (Hard Tenor Sax, Soft Tenor Sax) which would both want to use the same number, but can't within the same soundfont. In the world that we live in however, soundfont authors often ignore the midi program numbers and just number their programs from 1 all to commonly, which exacerbates the hiding problem. Now, the hiding seems gratuitous since qsynth assigns each soundfound an SFID (presumably soundfont ID) which means that if the key was SFID/program number then it wouldn't matter that two soundfonts used the same range of numbers, but for some reason in qsynth this does seem to matter. I don't believe this is a generic issue since the same collection of soundfonts in freewheeling allows one to browse through each soundfont and select any program in that soundfont. Having encountered this problem, I decided to take matters into my own hands and renumber the conflicting soundfonts so there was no conflict. Having produced my own soundfont for Soprano Sax (recently corrected for some notes tuning available at http://juraview.com/SopranoSax.sf2) using swami, I didn't feel any hesitation about loading the fonts and renumbering the programs. Unfortunately I can't find any way to renumber the programs in swami which is weird since I distinctly remember having done this with my soprano sax font, but this was well over a year ago. Has this capability been removed from swami or am I just missing it? Any suggestions (other than FOAD) will be appreciated. Bill From adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr Sat Apr 15 12:36:09 2006 From: adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr (Adrien DANIEL) Date: Sat Apr 15 12:36:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25 issues with ALSA In-Reply-To: <200604151608.43263.ce@christeck.de> References: <20060415155401.zhpzwpdv0xi8og08@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <200604151608.43263.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20060415183609.ge3cxluparsw0k00@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Christoph Eckert wrote : > Loading snd_usb_audio is enough. If it's present, the UA-25 will work. > > I run jack (via qjackctl of course) with the following parameters: > > /usr/local/bin/jackd -R -P83 -p64 -dalsa -dhw:2 -r48000 -p256 -n3 > > The only thing you need to adjust is -d, maybe -dhw:1. In fact, my problem is not about Jack, but simply about ALSA : The device seems to be incorrectly configured in ALSA. I can see it, but softwares refuse to open the device. > BTW: alsaconf cannot configure your USB devices. Ok ! > IF you try the following and it doesn't work, please send the output of: > > cat /proc/asound/cards > uname -a > cat /proc/asound/version > The audio section of /etc/modules.conf ad@zikbox:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [PCI ]: Maestro3 - ESS Maestro3 PCI ESS Maestro3 PCI at 0xec00, irq 5 1 [UA25 ]: USB-Audio - UA-25 EDIROL UA-25 at usb-0000:00:1f.2-1, full speed ad@zikbox:~$ cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.10. Compiled on Dec 12 2005 for kernel 2.6.14-1-multimedia-386. ad@zikbox:~$ uname -a Linux zikbox 2.6.14-1-multimedia-386 #1 PREEMPT Sat Dec 10 16:52:12 CET 2005 i686 GNU/Linux ad@zikbox:~$ cat /etc/modules.conf [...] ### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/alsa-base # autoloader aliases alias char-major-116 snd alias char-major-14 soundcore alias snd-card-0 snd-maestro3 alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 alias sound-slot-1 snd-card-1 alias sound-slot-2 snd-card-2 alias sound-slot-3 snd-card-3 alias sound-slot-4 snd-card-4 alias sound-slot-5 snd-card-5 alias sound-slot-6 snd-card-6 alias sound-slot-7 snd-card-7 above sound-slot-0 snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq-oss above sound-slot-1 snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq-oss above sound-slot-2 snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq-oss above sound-slot-3 snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq-oss above sound-slot-4 snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq-oss above sound-slot-5 snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq-oss above sound-slot-6 snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq-oss above sound-slot-7 snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss # Load optional modules above their base modules above snd-pcm snd-pcm-oss above snd-mixer snd-mixer-oss above snd-seq snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi above snd-emu10k1 snd-emu10k1-synth above snd-via82xx snd-seq # Cause a script to be run after snd-*-synth module initialization post-install snd-emu8000-synth /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-emu8000-synth post-install snd-emu10k1-synth /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-emu10k1-synth # Cause a script to be run after card driver module initialization post-install snd-ad1816a /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-ad1816a post-install snd-ad1848 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-ad1848 post-install snd-ad1889 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-ad1889 post-install snd-ali5451 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-ali5451 post-install snd-als100 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-als100 post-install snd-als4000 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-als4000 post-install snd-armaaci /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-armaaci post-install snd-asihpi /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-asihpi post-install snd-atiixp /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-atiixp post-install snd-au1x00 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-au1x00 post-install snd-au8810 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-au8810 post-install snd-au8820 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-au8820 post-install snd-au8830 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-au8830 post-install snd-azt2320 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-azt2320 post-install snd-azt3328 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-azt3328 post-install snd-ca0106 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-ca0106 post-install snd-cmi8330 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-cmi8330 post-install snd-cmipci /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-cmipci post-install snd-cs4231 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-cs4231 post-install snd-cs4232 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-cs4232 post-install snd-cs4236 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-cs4236 post-install snd-cs4281 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-cs4281 post-install snd-cs46xx /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-cs46xx post-install snd-darla20 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-darla20 post-install snd-darla24 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-darla24 post-install snd-dt019x /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-dt019x post-install snd-echo3g /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-echo3g post-install snd-emu10k1x /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-emu10k1x post-install snd-ens1370 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-ens1370 post-install snd-ens1371 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-ens1371 post-install snd-es1688 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-es1688 post-install snd-es18xx /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-es18xx post-install snd-es1938 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-es1938 post-install snd-es1968 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-es1968 post-install snd-es968 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-es968 post-install snd-fm801 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-fm801 post-install snd-fm801-tea575x /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-fm801-tea575x post-install snd-gina20 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-gina20 post-install snd-gina24 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-gina24 post-install snd-gusclassic /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-gusclassic post-install snd-gusextreme /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-gusextreme post-install snd-gusmax /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-gusmax post-install snd-harmony /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-harmony post-install snd-hda-intel /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-hda-intel post-install snd-hdsp /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-hdsp post-install snd-hdspm /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-hdspm post-install snd-ice1712 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-ice1712 post-install snd-ice1724 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-ice1724 post-install snd-indigo /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-indigo post-install snd-indigodj /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-indigodj post-install snd-indigoio /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-indigoio post-install snd-intel8x0 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-intel8x0 post-install snd-interwave /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-interwave post-install snd-interwave-stb /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-interwave-stb post-install snd-korg1212 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-korg1212 post-install snd-layla20 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-layla20 post-install snd-layla24 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-layla24 post-install snd-maestro3 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-maestro3 post-install snd-mia /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-mia post-install snd-miro /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-miro post-install snd-mixart /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-mixart post-install snd-mona /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-mona post-install snd-mpu401 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-mpu401 post-install snd-msnd-pinnacle /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-msnd-pinnacle post-install snd-mtpav /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-mtpav post-install snd-nm256 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-nm256 post-install snd-opl3sa2 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-opl3sa2 post-install snd-opti92x-ad1848 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-opti92x-ad1848 post-install snd-opti92x-cs4231 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-opti92x-cs4231 post-install snd-opti93x /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-opti93x post-install snd-pc98-cs4232 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-pc98-cs4232 post-install snd-pcsp /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-pcsp post-install snd-pcxhr /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-pcxhr post-install snd-pdaudiocf /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-pdaudiocf post-install snd-pdplus /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-pdplus post-install snd-portman2x4 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-portman2x4 post-install snd-powermac /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-powermac post-install snd-pxa2xx-ac97 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-pxa2xx-ac97 post-install snd-riptide /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-riptide post-install snd-rme32 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-rme32 post-install snd-rme96 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-rme96 post-install snd-rme9652 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-rme9652 post-install snd-s3c2410 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-s3c2410 post-install snd-sa11xx-uda1341 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-sa11xx-uda1341 post-install snd-sb16 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-sb16 post-install snd-sb8 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-sb8 post-install snd-sbawe /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-sbawe post-install snd-serialmidi /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-serialmidi post-install snd-serial-u16550 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-serial-u16550 post-install snd-sgalaxy /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-sgalaxy post-install snd-sonicvibes /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-sonicvibes post-install snd-sscape /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-sscape post-install snd-sun-amd7930 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-sun-amd7930 post-install snd-sun-cs4231 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-sun-cs4231 post-install snd-sun-dbri /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-sun-dbri post-install snd-trident /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-trident post-install snd-usb-audio /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-usb-audio post-install snd-usb-usx2y /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-usb-usx2y post-install snd-vx222 /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-vx222 post-install snd-vxpocket /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-vxpocket post-install snd-wavefront /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-wavefront post-install snd-ymfpci /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-ymfpci # Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0 options snd-bt87x index=-2 options snd-atiixp-modem index=-2 options snd-intel8x0m index=-2 options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2 ### update-modules: end processing /etc/modutils/alsa-base ### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/alsa-base-blacklist # Uncomment these entries in order to blacklist unwanted modem drivers # alias snd-atiixp-modem off # alias snd-intel8x0m off # alias snd-via82xx-modem off ### update-modules: end processing /etc/modutils/alsa-base-blacklist [...] ### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/linux-sound-base_noOSS alias ac97 off alias ac97_codec off alias ac97_plugin_ad1980 off alias ad1848 off alias ad1889 off alias adlib_card off alias aedsp16 off alias ali5455 off alias btaudio off alias cmpci off alias cs4232 off alias cs4281 off alias cs461x off alias cs46xx off alias emu10k1 off alias es1370 off alias es1371 off alias esssolo1 off alias forte off alias gus off alias i810_audio off alias kahlua off alias mad16 off alias maestro off alias maestro3 off alias maui off alias mpu401 off alias nm256_audio off alias opl3 off alias opl3sa off alias opl3sa2 off alias pas2 off alias pss off alias rme96xx off alias sb off alias sb_lib off alias sgalaxy off alias sonicvibes off alias sound off alias sscape off alias trident off alias trix off alias uart401 off alias uart6850 off alias via82cxxx_audio off alias v_midi off alias wavefront off alias ymfpci off alias ac97_plugin_wm97xx off alias ad1816 off alias audio off alias awe_wave off alias dmasound_core off alias dmasound_pmac off alias harmony off alias sequencer off alias soundcard off alias usb-midi off ### update-modules: end processing /etc/modutils/linux-sound-base_noOSS [...] Well, everything is here. Thank you very much for your help ! AD From ce at christeck.de Sat Apr 15 14:46:36 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Apr 15 14:45:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25 issues with ALSA In-Reply-To: <20060415183609.ge3cxluparsw0k00@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> References: <20060415155401.zhpzwpdv0xi8og08@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <200604151608.43263.ce@christeck.de> <20060415183609.ge3cxluparsw0k00@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Message-ID: <200604152046.37000.ce@christeck.de> > Well, everything is here. true, but it's far more than we need :) . Let's have a look at mine (using several USB-Audio-Devices): alias /dev/mixer snd-mixer-oss alias /dev/dsp snd-pcm-oss alias /dev/midi snd-seq-oss options snd device_mode=0666 options snd cards_limit=8 alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0 alias snd-card-1 snd-intel8x0m alias snd-card-2 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-3 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-4 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-5 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-6 snd-usb-audio options snd-intel8x0 index=0 options snd-intel8x0m index=1 options snd-usb-audio index=2,3,4,5,6 vid=0x0582,0x0763,0x0763,0x0582,0x0ccd pid=0x0074,0x1033,0x0117,0x0009,0x0028 nrpacks=1 Best regards ce From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Apr 15 15:06:48 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Apr 15 15:06:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Dirty Monkey In-Reply-To: <20060414203515.GA32681@charly.SWORD> References: <20060414203515.GA32681@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060415200648.217d68b0@office> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:35:15 +0200 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Hi! > > Quite a while ago, I decided to create a sample-free piece of music, > where everything is generated with Om (modular synthesizer). > To test Om, to learn how to use it and to achieve non-static sounds > with modulation and random influences (I tend to think many of my > old tracks suffer from rather 'dead' sounds ...). > > Since I've been working on this now and then for so long, I guess > I lost my objectivity even more than usual, so feedback is especialy > welcome ;) I might update the track once afterwards. > > The dirty monkey is kinda pissed, but optimistic (that's the mood > I wanted, at least, as I feel like that sometimes). > > http://www.archive.org/details/dirty_monkey > > Oops, the archive has eaten the ogg, I'm about to fix that now. > > > Cheers, > Thorsten Wilms Hi. This isn't really my sort of thing, but I did find it very interesting. You've managed an impressive depth. Rock On :) -- F From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Apr 15 15:23:41 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Apr 15 15:23:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Dirty Monkey In-Reply-To: <20060415200648.217d68b0@office> References: <20060414203515.GA32681@charly.SWORD> <20060415200648.217d68b0@office> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604151223p4761ebeah99f61096ab16897a@mail.gmail.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > http://www.archive.org/details/dirty_monkey Thorsten, Good stuff. Good work. I enjoyed it. cheers, Mark From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Sat Apr 15 15:35:43 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Sat Apr 15 15:35:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20060415190002.6300.23002.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu> References: <20060415190002.6300.23002.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu> Message-ID: Esben Stien: > > "Kjetil S. Matheussen" writes: > >> snd as a widget in ardour > > How about doing this with the verse protocol and daemon or in the same > spirit?. That way, any editor that supports this protocol, could edit > a live region. > Thats an insanely large project you are proposing. :-) Hacking snd into ardour should only require a days work or something because snd can be compiled as a gtk widget. From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Apr 15 16:02:53 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Apr 15 16:02:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Dirty Monkey In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604151223p4761ebeah99f61096ab16897a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060414203515.GA32681@charly.SWORD> <20060415200648.217d68b0@office> <5bdc1c8b0604151223p4761ebeah99f61096ab16897a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060415200253.GC11557@charly.SWORD> Thank you Bill, Folderol and Mark :) Having more trust in my ears now ;) Cheers, Thorsten From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Apr 15 17:51:36 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Apr 15 17:51:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with linux: 4 voice fugue Message-ID: <44416AE8.9040101@gmail.com> Hi Here's a little piece of something I made with csound and mondrian: http://atte.dk/compositions/elektronica/4_voice_fugue_in_c_dorian.ogg -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sat Apr 15 20:22:24 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sat Apr 15 18:23:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] (no subject) In-Reply-To: (Kjetil S. Matheussen's message of "Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:35:43 -0700 (PDT)") References: <20060415190002.6300.23002.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <87zmimid33.fsf@esben-stien.name> "Kjetil S. Matheussen" writes: > insanely large project [..] :-) Summer of Code;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From dsbaikov at gmail.com Sat Apr 15 18:29:36 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Sat Apr 15 18:29:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Dirty Monkey In-Reply-To: <20060415200253.GC11557@charly.SWORD> References: <20060414203515.GA32681@charly.SWORD> <20060415200648.217d68b0@office> <5bdc1c8b0604151223p4761ebeah99f61096ab16897a@mail.gmail.com> <20060415200253.GC11557@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <70a871c80604151529s6a21018dp45b591f85db113df@mail.gmail.com> Intro is awesome! After listening to this and many other examples of linux audio, hw VA synths need to be really cool to be purchased. Best regards, Dmitry. From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Sat Apr 15 19:19:51 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Sat Apr 15 19:19:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Dirty Monkey In-Reply-To: <20060415143637.GB11557@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <000d01c660e3$18f7bf10$3402a8c0@64BitBadass> > > But then the melody comes in and ruins it. Off the top of my head I'd > > scrap the melody completely and use the harmonies VERY sparingly as > > orchestra jabs. I thought that this was exactly the whole point of the piece--the lead sound at first sounded like a really cheesy lead guitar completely out of place and character, but then I realized it was the pissed off monkey being, well, pissed off :-)... And then the harmonies crept in, which to me sounded like that tiny optimism peeking in the background. > To me, Dirty Monkey does sound cool ;p Yep, given the programmatic element, IMHO it could not be more appropriate ;-) Ico From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Apr 15 20:09:25 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Apr 15 20:09:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Dirty Monkey In-Reply-To: <20060414203515.GA32681@charly.SWORD> References: <20060414203515.GA32681@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <44418B35.70405@gmail.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > http://www.archive.org/details/dirty_monkey Very nice! I don't think the lead is the least cheasy. Actually I think it really, really cool. Is all those om-patches running in realtimeat the same time? If so which computer do you have? If not, how do you work with something like this, recording one track at the time in ardour, or? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps From gkjoyce at gmail.com Sat Apr 15 20:28:38 2006 From: gkjoyce at gmail.com (greg) Date: Sat Apr 15 20:28:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rt kernel compile, lose wireless Message-ID: <44418FB6.4090004@gmail.com> I compiled the -rt patched kernel in Ubuntu. I think I did everything correctly. When I boot to it, it flashes something that says "**********REMINDER*******" but I can't read the message. Does anyone know where or how to read this? Also now centrino wireless does not work in the new kernel. I checked modprobe -l *ipw* and those are there so I assume there's some command I don't know about or something. In recovery mode I also get a message repeatedly that "/tty/syss0" (maybe not that name exactly) is not a serial device. From lau at ballen.fastmail.fm Sat Apr 15 22:52:58 2006 From: lau at ballen.fastmail.fm (Bill Allen) Date: Sat Apr 15 22:53:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rt kernel compile, lose wireless In-Reply-To: <44418FB6.4090004@gmail.com> References: <44418FB6.4090004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4441B18A.6000905@ballen.fastmail.fm> greg wrote: > I compiled the -rt patched kernel in Ubuntu. I think I did > everything correctly. When I boot to it, it flashes something that says > "**********REMINDER*******" but I can't read the message. Does anyone > know where or how to read this? Also now centrino wireless does > not work in the new kernel. I checked modprobe -l *ipw* and > those are there so I assume there's some command I don't know about or > something. In recovery mode I also get a message repeatedly that > "/tty/syss0" (maybe not that name exactly) is not a serial device. > > You might have to move the firmware into the kernel specific directory /lib/firmware/ In my case the firmware module is ipw3945.ucode. From dana at ubuntustudio.com Sat Apr 15 23:46:45 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Sat Apr 15 23:46:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rt kernel compile, lose wireless In-Reply-To: <44418FB6.4090004@gmail.com> References: <44418FB6.4090004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1145159205.19792.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-04-15 at 20:28 -0400, greg wrote: > I compiled the -rt patched kernel in Ubuntu. I think I did > everything correctly. When I boot to it, it flashes something that says > "**********REMINDER*******" but I can't read the message. Does anyone > know where or how to read this? If you can't hit Pause while booting to read it, and it's not in your logs, then the best I can do, without grepping the entire kernel source tree, is to guess. So my guess is that it is a warning about a kernel option that you have enabled which increases latency. There are a couple that I ran into that printed out something like what you are describing, and they're under the Kernel debugging section. Go there and turn off any debugging stuff that you don't require, and try again. Dana -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060415/a6aa5b5f/attachment-0001.bin From t_w_ at freenet.de Sun Apr 16 04:52:48 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sun Apr 16 04:53:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Dirty Monkey In-Reply-To: <70a871c80604151529s6a21018dp45b591f85db113df@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060414203515.GA32681@charly.SWORD> <20060415200648.217d68b0@office> <5bdc1c8b0604151223p4761ebeah99f61096ab16897a@mail.gmail.com> <20060415200253.GC11557@charly.SWORD> <70a871c80604151529s6a21018dp45b591f85db113df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060416085248.GA7368@charly.SWORD> On Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 02:29:36AM +0400, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > Intro is awesome! Thanks :D It's my first wholy generative patch (atmo_jungle.om), 4 takes, all different thanks to a lot of randomness. Used a highpass with rising cutoff controled via CC to make room for bass and to fade it out. > After listening to this and many other examples of linux audio, hw VA > synths need to be really cool to be purchased. Yeah. If I had the money, I would spend it on all the CPU power I could get ;) Cheers, Thorsten From ix at replic.net Sun Apr 16 05:24:13 2006 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Sun Apr 16 05:24:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 + X86_64 + RT16 = no boot In-Reply-To: <158277e20604150809r51574efdg97cdca69d1be4c30@mail.gmail.com> References: <158277e20604150809r51574efdg97cdca69d1be4c30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060416092413.GB15866@replic.net> > So has anyone got anywhere/had issues with FC5/gcc 4.1/x86_64/RT? nope, but ive never gotten the RT series to work without either freezing/instant-rebooting right after grub passes off execution to the kernel, or a kernel panic on some ACPI or similar issue during bootup, or a random unprovoked hard freeze within about 5 to 15 minutse after booting up. this is on several different machines, a Sempron64, a Turion64, and an Athlon64, on VIA, MSI, and Shuttle platforms. somehow Mark Knecht i think has claimed stable operation on this architecture, so maybe you want to ask him his magical combination of hardware / compiler / kernel / patch. > I'm sore tempted to go back to 2.6.14-rtXX, but don't know what that will > break... probably nothing. if youve found a version that works, by all means, use it! > with the update to the compiler, the OS, etc. shouldnt be a problem. youre much more likely to run into issues when removing a version of GCC or Glibc and not properly updating the .la files and the like.. From t_w_ at freenet.de Sun Apr 16 05:25:03 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sun Apr 16 05:25:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Dirty Monkey In-Reply-To: <44418B35.70405@gmail.com> References: <20060414203515.GA32681@charly.SWORD> <44418B35.70405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060416092503.GB7368@charly.SWORD> On Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 02:09:25AM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > >http://www.archive.org/details/dirty_monkey > > Very nice! I don't think the lead is the least cheasy. Actually I think > it really, really cool. Thank you. Well, I can understand both people who think it's kinda cheesy and those who think it's cool. I'm confident I managed to give it character, anyway ;) > Is all those om-patches running in realtimeat the same time? If so which > computer do you have? If not, how do you work with something like this, > recording one track at the time in ardour, or? I can only run 3 or 4 of the patches without horrible xrun artefacts and very slow GUI reactions. To avoid audible xruns completely, I ended up enabling only one patch for recording at a time. Most of the percussion patches can be run simultaneously here, so I have been able to work on them in context. For the rest, I compared and tweaked the sounds in pairs, a process like adapting B to go well with A, then C with B ... also relied on my imagination to some degree ;) I intended to record with MusE, keeping everything in one place. But while I had no problems with that earlier, I now found most of my patches to trigger some weird bug, resulting in crackling and even worse things. Nothing of that comes up when recording with Timemachine, so I know it's not Om or Jack (There's a bug report for this, of course). So I connected Timemachine with the Om outputs to record from for each single patch. Could have used Ardour, but didn't feel like creating all the tracks again and hooking everything up. (Someone called this a misuse of Timemachine. Well, I don't care about having 1 or more seconds of audio recorded before hitting record. Making connections is best done via Patchage, anyway. Timemachine offers meters and a big button, just what I need). The mixdown from Muse (after importing the audio files, adjusting levels, FX) appeared quite loud and full already, but JAMin surprised me with bringing it to the front even more :) Cheers, Thorsten From julien at c-lab.de Sun Apr 16 05:59:55 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun Apr 16 06:00:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for midi libraries / dev and source example for playback In-Reply-To: <001501c66051$be7a2050$bc410d54@DANSHOME> References: <001501c66051$be7a2050$bc410d54@DANSHOME> Message-ID: Hi! What exactly are you looking for? Are you looking for a midi-library, to write your own code, that can play/capture midi, or are you looking for ready-made programs, that can do that, with source-code? If you're looking for a lib to write your own code there's the original alsamidi api, Matthias Nagorni has written a small tutorial for midi and pcm. There a c++-library, which is called rtmidi, it is very small and as I heard it is easy to use. The alsa-stuff you can get at http://www.alsa-project.org. Where you can find the rtmidi lib I don't remember, but it was posted here a few weeks back. If you'relooking for already existing with source-code: again alsa is your choice, there's the aplaymidi included, you can get rosegarden, timidity and other midi-sequencers, have a look at: http://linux-sound.org for links to the mentioned software. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From julien at c-lab.de Sun Apr 16 06:19:41 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun Apr 16 06:19:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler question/feature request Message-ID: Hello! I've one question about linuxsampler and one plea for a new feature. 1. Can linuxampler read and use .gig-files which include instruments bigger than 2GB? 2. Could you probably think about supporting a new sampler-format. I thought of something simple: You have a text-configuration file and a lot of samples (.wav, aiff... etc), which could probably done by libsndfile. I thought it would be simple to implement something like it. I mean .gig-files and all other formats also consist of those two parts: a) samples b) configuration-data. The only thing is that it is separated. thus these instruments can be created by any linux-user without a problem or special software. The text-config-file could be done as simple-text or with a simple xml-based dtd. What do you think about it? Would it be possible? Would you think it's a fine idea, worth implementing? And would you probably be so kind as to spare the time doing it. Unfortunitely I'm much to dumb writing it. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From listreader at lupulin.net Sun Apr 16 12:57:39 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Sun Apr 16 12:58:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi programming question regarding channels Message-ID: <20060416165739.GA5125@seraph.Belkin> Hi All, What's the canonical way to play a "one instrument" chord in midi? Do I send multiple note-on events to the same channel? Or, should I split them up into different channels, and make sure that the used channels have the same program (or patch-value?)? My intuition says stack up the notes on the one channel. That would be more analoguous to a band situation where each channel is an instrument. But, in practice are most midi synths able to handle enough multiple notes on a channel? For example a "piano" channel should be able to take up to say 5 notes, and still play them distinctly. Or the same with a guitar channel where a guitar chord is commonly plucked on 5 or 6 strings. I'm using a soft-synth in my developement/learning/experimenting, but I hope to eventually use hardware midi modules, and not have to modify my code. So quick question recap... "Should I stack up to 6 note-ons on one midi channel, or should I figure out how to split them up into multiple channels?" I've been reading up up on general midi issues, but I haven't seen any relevant docs about this. thanks for any info/pointers/flames, -- paul w From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Apr 16 13:10:30 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Apr 16 13:10:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi programming question regarding channels In-Reply-To: <20060416165739.GA5125@seraph.Belkin> References: <20060416165739.GA5125@seraph.Belkin> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604161010i5a87662ar5374db1ccb646ddf@mail.gmail.com> Multiple note on events to the same channel, up to the polyphonic limit of the synth playing the stream. Note that if you exceed the polyphonic limit the results are not defined. Some synths will kill older notes while others will ignore the newest notes. Hope this helps, Mark On 4/16/06, paul wisehart wrote: > > Hi All, > > What's the canonical way to play a "one instrument" chord > in midi? > > Do I send multiple note-on events to the same channel? > Or, should I split them up into different channels, and > make sure that the used channels have the same program > (or patch-value?)? > > My intuition says stack up the notes on the one channel. > That would be more analoguous to a band situation where > each channel is an instrument. But, in practice are most > midi synths able to handle enough multiple notes on a channel? > > For example a "piano" channel should be able to take up to say > 5 notes, and still play them distinctly. Or the same with > a guitar channel where a guitar chord is commonly plucked > on 5 or 6 strings. > > I'm using a soft-synth in my developement/learning/experimenting, > but I hope to eventually use hardware midi modules, and not have to > modify my code. > > > So quick question recap... > "Should I stack up to 6 note-ons on one midi channel, or should > I figure out how to split them up into multiple channels?" > > > I've been reading up up on general midi issues, but I haven't > seen any relevant docs about this. > > thanks for any info/pointers/flames, > > -- > paul w > From t_w_ at freenet.de Sun Apr 16 13:10:44 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sun Apr 16 13:11:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi programming question regarding channels In-Reply-To: <20060416165739.GA5125@seraph.Belkin> References: <20060416165739.GA5125@seraph.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060416171044.GD7368@charly.SWORD> On Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 12:57:39PM -0400, paul wisehart wrote: > > What's the canonical way to play a "one instrument" chord > in midi? > > Do I send multiple note-on events to the same channel? Yes. > My intuition says stack up the notes on the one channel. > That would be more analoguous to a band situation where > each channel is an instrument. But, in practice are most > midi synths able to handle enough multiple notes on a channel? On common MIDI synths, you can play a patch with all 10 fingers and bang your head on the keys same time and the number of notes you will hear depend only on the number of voices the synthesizer has. I never heared of a channel related limit. At least in hardware, MIDI is serial, so it's one event after the other, anyway. Cheers, Thorsten Wilms From wsynth at gjcp.net Sun Apr 16 13:38:17 2006 From: wsynth at gjcp.net (Gordonjcp) Date: Sun Apr 16 13:40:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rt kernel compile, lose wireless In-Reply-To: <44418FB6.4090004@gmail.com> References: <44418FB6.4090004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44428109.40802@gjcp.net> greg wrote: > I compiled the -rt patched kernel in Ubuntu. I think I did > everything correctly. When I boot to it, it flashes something that says > "**********REMINDER*******" but I can't read the message. Does anyone > know where or how to read this? Also now centrino wireless does > not work in the new kernel. I checked modprobe -l *ipw* and > those are there so I assume there's some command I don't know about or > something. In recovery mode I also get a message repeatedly that > "/tty/syss0" (maybe not that name exactly) is not a serial device. What does dmesg say? Gordon. From fbar at footils.org Sun Apr 16 14:06:58 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Apr 16 14:06:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rt kernel compile, lose wireless In-Reply-To: <4441B18A.6000905@ballen.fastmail.fm> References: <44418FB6.4090004@gmail.com> <4441B18A.6000905@ballen.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <20060416180658.GG31795@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Bill Allen hat gesagt: // Bill Allen wrote: > greg wrote: > > Also now centrino wireless does > >not work in the new kernel. I checked modprobe -l *ipw* and those > >are there so I assume there's some command I don't know about or > >something. In recovery mode I also get a message repeatedly that > >"/tty/syss0" (maybe not that name exactly) is not a serial device. > > > > > You might have to move the firmware into the kernel specific > directory /lib/firmware/ And you might need to download the latest firmware. I found that the older fw-package I had wasn't working with the latest kernel, however getting the newest from Sourceforge fixed it. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From capocasa at gmx.net Sun Apr 16 14:31:00 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sun Apr 16 14:31:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Dirty Monkey In-Reply-To: <20060415143637.GB11557@charly.SWORD> References: <20060414203515.GA32681@charly.SWORD> <20060415143637.GB11557@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: >>But then the melody comes in and ruins it. Off the top of my head I'd >>scrap the melody completely and use the harmonies VERY sparingly as >>orchestra jabs. > > > Hrmpf. Well, I see where you're coming from. For a club track, I would > definitely have to at least reduce the lead. But without, it doesn't > have the feel I wanted. While working on it, I often asked myself if > there's a nice kind of tension or if it just bites, though. Yeah... well, when I first listened to techno I couldn't stand the stuff. So if you'd get your stuff to be played a lot in clubs I go to I would probably get used to it and enjoy it without changes (including the title). Carlo From patrickkidd.lists at gmail.com Sun Apr 16 14:59:51 2006 From: patrickkidd.lists at gmail.com (Patrick Stinson) Date: Sun Apr 16 14:59:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for midi libraries / dev and source example for playback In-Reply-To: References: <001501c66051$be7a2050$bc410d54@DANSHOME> Message-ID: <664bf2b80604161159r1f564b31sfe10aabece079e82@mail.gmail.com> I wrote python bindings for rtmidi and rtaudio. rtmidi is actually pretty nice to work with thanks to a clean C++ interface. http://www.patrickkidd.com/ On 4/16/06, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hi! > What exactly are you looking for? Are you looking for a midi-library, to > write your own code, that can play/capture midi, or are you looking for > ready-made programs, that can do that, with source-code? > If you're looking for a lib to write your own code there's the original > alsamidi api, Matthias Nagorni has written a small tutorial for midi and pcm. > There a c++-library, which is called rtmidi, it is very small and as I heard > it is easy to use. > The alsa-stuff you can get at http://www.alsa-project.org. > Where you can find the rtmidi lib I don't remember, but it was posted here a > few weeks back. > If you'relooking for already existing with source-code: again alsa is your > choice, there's the aplaymidi included, you can get rosegarden, timidity and > other midi-sequencers, have a look at: > http://linux-sound.org > for links to the mentioned software. > Kindest regards > Julien > > -------- > Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) > > ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== > http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide > -- Patrick Kidd Stinson http://www.patrickkidd.com/ http://pkaudio.sourceforge.net/ http://pksampler.sourceforge.net/ From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 16 16:33:08 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Sun Apr 16 16:33:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi programming question regarding channels In-Reply-To: <20060416165739.GA5125@seraph.Belkin> References: <20060416165739.GA5125@seraph.Belkin> Message-ID: <4442AA04.8050002@sbcglobal.net> the general rule is, notes to the same voice share a channel. the exection to this rule is polyphonic instruments with pitch bends on some of the notes, i.e. guitar. pitch bend midi events apply to all the notes in a channel, so if you want to bend just one whilst a chord plays you'll need more than one "guitar" channel. make sense? paul wisehart wrote: >Hi All, > >What's the canonical way to play a "one instrument" chord >in midi? > >Do I send multiple note-on events to the same channel? >Or, should I split them up into different channels, and >make sure that the used channels have the same program >(or patch-value?)? > >My intuition says stack up the notes on the one channel. >That would be more analoguous to a band situation where >each channel is an instrument. But, in practice are most >midi synths able to handle enough multiple notes on a channel? > >For example a "piano" channel should be able to take up to say >5 notes, and still play them distinctly. Or the same with >a guitar channel where a guitar chord is commonly plucked >on 5 or 6 strings. > >I'm using a soft-synth in my developement/learning/experimenting, >but I hope to eventually use hardware midi modules, and not have to >modify my code. > > >So quick question recap... >"Should I stack up to 6 note-ons on one midi channel, or should > I figure out how to split them up into multiple channels?" > > >I've been reading up up on general midi issues, but I haven't >seen any relevant docs about this. > >thanks for any info/pointers/flames, > >-- >paul w > > > From torbenh at gmx.de Sun Apr 16 17:22:23 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Sun Apr 16 17:26:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] netjack-0.11 Message-ID: <20060416212223.GA23984@mobilat> netjack-0.11 ------------ Warp your jack ports over an IP network. Also have Transport synced between 2 machines. Work is underway in improving the latency for big channel counts, like 24in / 24out. There seems to be a bottleneck in the kernels handling of big UDP Packets. However netjack seems solid with a period size of 128 and a roundtrip latency of 3 periods. (this is at 24/24 float on 100Mbit) The latency does not seem to improve with Gbit. Also featuring: - improved error messages. - some AutoConfig on the slave side. (only period and samplerate) - alsa_in and _out improvements. Have Fun. -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From rj at spamatica.se Sun Apr 16 19:37:03 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Sun Apr 16 18:36:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] netjack-0.11 In-Reply-To: <20060416212223.GA23984@mobilat> References: <20060416212223.GA23984@mobilat> Message-ID: <200604170037.05096.rj@spamatica.se> Awesome! /Robert On Sunday 16 Apr 2006 22:22, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > netjack-0.11 > ------------ > > Warp your jack ports over an IP network. Also have Transport synced > between 2 machines. > > Work is underway in improving the latency for big channel counts, > like 24in / 24out. There seems to be a bottleneck in the kernels > handling of big UDP Packets. > > However netjack seems solid with a period size of 128 and a roundtrip > latency of 3 periods. (this is at 24/24 float on 100Mbit) The latency > does not seem to improve with Gbit. > > Also featuring: > > - improved error messages. > - some AutoConfig on the slave side. (only period and samplerate) > - alsa_in and _out improvements. > > Have Fun. -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 17 01:05:29 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 17 01:05:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ANN] netjack-0.11 In-Reply-To: <20060416212223.GA23984@mobilat> References: <20060416212223.GA23984@mobilat> Message-ID: <1145250331.15151.11.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-04-16 at 23:22 +0200, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > Work is underway in improving the latency for big channel counts, > like 24in / 24out. There seems to be a bottleneck in the kernels > handling of big UDP Packets. Nice, I'm looking forward to the LKML thread! (you do plan to report it right...?) From lee at rockingtiger.com Mon Apr 17 01:06:59 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Mon Apr 17 01:07:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Audio SIP Conference Room! Message-ID: <32357910.12301145250419535.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> Better late than never. I configured an Asterisk conference room at the URI lau@ash.97montrose.org Let me know if you can connect to it. I can through a SIP phone that is already registered to the server but I'm not sure about one that is not. This is a recreational server, be nice. I have lots of bandwidth but not too many admin hours. -lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 17 01:11:15 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 17 01:11:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] System clock running too fast with realtime kernel In-Reply-To: <200604142244.33865.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200604142244.33865.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1145250676.15151.17.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 22:44 +0200, Dominic Sacr? wrote: > > Also, is there a more appropriate place to report problems with the > realtime kernel patches? Yes, the linux kernel mailing list. At one point I recommended they be reported here but I had wrongly assumed the patches would stabilize once the latency problem was solved - boy was I wrong ;-) Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 17 01:12:28 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 17 01:13:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25 issues with ALSA In-Reply-To: <20060415183609.ge3cxluparsw0k00@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> References: <20060415155401.zhpzwpdv0xi8og08@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <200604151608.43263.ce@christeck.de> <20060415183609.ge3cxluparsw0k00@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Message-ID: <1145250749.15151.19.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-04-15 at 18:36 +0200, Adrien DANIEL wrote: > ad@zikbox:~$ cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound > Architecture > Driver Version 1.0.10. > Compiled on Dec 12 2005 for kernel 2.6.14-1-multimedia-386. Ugh, that's pretty old. This is the latest DeMuDi has to offer? Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 17 01:13:45 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 17 01:14:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 + X86_64 + RT16 = no boot In-Reply-To: <20060416092413.GB15866@replic.net> References: <158277e20604150809r51574efdg97cdca69d1be4c30@mail.gmail.com> <20060416092413.GB15866@replic.net> Message-ID: <1145250826.15151.21.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-04-16 at 09:24 +0000, carmen wrote: > nope, but ive never gotten the RT series to work without either > freezing/instant-rebooting right after grub passes off execution to > the kernel, or a kernel panic on some ACPI or similar issue during > bootup, or a random unprovoked hard freeze within about 5 to 15 > minutse after booting up. this is on several different machines, a > Sempron64, a Turion64, and an Athlon64, on VIA, MSI, and Shuttle > platforms. somehow Mark Knecht i think has claimed stable operation on > this architecture, so maybe you want to ask him his magical > combination of hardware / compiler / kernel / patch. > PLEASE, report these issues to Ingo and LKML! Bugs do not fix themselves... Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 17 01:15:46 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 17 01:16:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Questions about qsynth, swami and soundfonts In-Reply-To: <4441113B.6040503@ballen.fastmail.fm> References: <4441113B.6040503@ballen.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <1145250947.15151.23.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-04-15 at 11:28 -0400, Bill Allen wrote: > Any suggestions (other than FOAD) will be appreciated. You should probably report these issues to the developers of the programs in question. Lee From rncbc at rncbc.org Mon Apr 17 04:33:30 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Mon Apr 17 04:34:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Questions about qsynth, swami and soundfonts In-Reply-To: <4441113B.6040503@ballen.fastmail.fm> References: <4441113B.6040503@ballen.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <63690.195.245.190.93.1145262810.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> > Having located a collection of soundfonts that I like, I'm interested in > performing. I like the graphical interface to qsynth for loading and > using soundfonts, but there are a couple of limitations for live > performance it seems. Maybe these things are ignorance on my part and if > so I hope that somebody can put an end to that state. > > First, in order to change the current soundfont, you've got to select > Channels, then right click on the channel you want to change and hunt > for the soundfont you want in that channel. This is partially mitigated > by having presets, but what that implies to me is that I'd have to have > a preset for every soundfont program that I ever want to use. What I'd > really like is a simple list of all the programs and be able to select > the one I want with one click. How do others deal with this? > > Second, it seems that soundfonts can hide other soundfonts. In other > words, the order in which you place the soundfonts in setup/soundfonts > matters. If you've got a soundfont that claims the same program number > that comes after another soundfont in the list, that program hides the > other one. Even in the best of worlds this would be a problem - the best > of worlds defined as one in which the soundfont authors actually used > the suggested midi program numbers for standard instruments (i.e. 64 for > Soprano Sax, etc). It is a problem since many soundfonts have the same > instrument with different tones (Hard Tenor Sax, Soft Tenor Sax) which > would both want to use the same number, but can't within the same > soundfont. In the world that we live in however, soundfont authors often > ignore the midi program numbers and just number their programs from 1 > all to commonly, which exacerbates the hiding problem. Now, the hiding > seems gratuitous since qsynth assigns each soundfound an SFID > (presumably soundfont ID) which means that if the key was SFID/program > number then it wouldn't matter that two soundfonts used the same range > of numbers, but for some reason in qsynth this does seem to matter. I > don't believe this is a generic issue since the same collection of > soundfonts in freewheeling allows one to browse through each soundfont > and select any program in that soundfont. > > Having encountered this problem, I decided to take matters into my own > hands and renumber the conflicting soundfonts so there was no conflict. > Having produced my own soundfont for Soprano Sax (recently corrected for > some notes tuning available at http://juraview.com/SopranoSax.sf2) using > swami, I didn't feel any hesitation about loading the fonts and > renumbering the programs. Unfortunately I can't find any way to renumber > the programs in swami which is weird since I distinctly remember having > done this with my soprano sax font, but this was well over a year ago. > Has this capability been removed from swami or am I just missing it? > > Any suggestions (other than FOAD) will be appreciated. > Hint: Bank-offsets. When you set one soundfont with a non-zero bank-offset, all its bank numbers will be shifted accordingly. That way, those banks might be accessible, otherwise hidden by same bank numbers of some other soundfont. Note: make sure you're using the latest Qsynth 0.2.5; previous versions had this bank-offsetness uselessly broken ;) Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From mista.tapas at gmx.net Mon Apr 17 05:38:17 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Mon Apr 17 05:38:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 + X86_64 + RT16 = no boot In-Reply-To: <1145250826.15151.21.camel@mindpipe> References: <158277e20604150809r51574efdg97cdca69d1be4c30@mail.gmail.com> <20060416092413.GB15866@replic.net> <1145250826.15151.21.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060417113817.6445128b@mango.fruits> On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 01:13:45 -0400 Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-04-16 at 09:24 +0000, carmen wrote: > > nope, but ive never gotten the RT series to work without either > > freezing/instant-rebooting right after grub passes off execution to > > the kernel, or a kernel panic on some ACPI or similar issue during > > bootup, or a random unprovoked hard freeze within about 5 to 15 > > minutse after booting up. this is on several different machines, a > > Sempron64, a Turion64, and an Athlon64, on VIA, MSI, and Shuttle > > platforms. somehow Mark Knecht i think has claimed stable operation on > > this architecture, so maybe you want to ask him his magical > > combination of hardware / compiler / kernel / patch. > > > > PLEASE, report these issues to Ingo and LKML! Bugs do not fix > themselves... vote++ @OP: Please report it :) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 06:44:39 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Apr 17 06:44:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 + X86_64 + RT16 = no boot In-Reply-To: <1145250826.15151.21.camel@mindpipe> References: <158277e20604150809r51574efdg97cdca69d1be4c30@mail.gmail.com> <20060416092413.GB15866@replic.net> <1145250826.15151.21.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604170344w5d1f9efp1fd53ba5d011c87f@mail.gmail.com> On 4/16/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-04-16 at 09:24 +0000, carmen wrote: > > nope, but ive never gotten the RT series to work without either > > freezing/instant-rebooting right after grub passes off execution to > > the kernel, or a kernel panic on some ACPI or similar issue during > > bootup, or a random unprovoked hard freeze within about 5 to 15 > > minutse after booting up. this is on several different machines, a > > Sempron64, a Turion64, and an Athlon64, on VIA, MSI, and Shuttle > > platforms. somehow Mark Knecht i think has claimed stable operation on > > this architecture, so maybe you want to ask him his magical > > combination of hardware / compiler / kernel / patch. > > > > PLEASE, report these issues to Ingo and LKML! Bugs do not fix > themselves... > > Lee Hi, Sorry. I didn't read this thread due to the title but when my nam pops up I figure I'd better find out what people are saying about me. I'm writing back on my AMD_64 here. It's certainly stable and doesn't crash. I can forward a 2.6.15-rt18 .config file to someone. (Carmen? email address please. Florian? Drop me a note if you want a copy.) One note: Based on a comment Lee Revel made a few days ago, I think on this list, about the standard kernel giving good realtime results I built 2.6.16-gentoo-r2 on Saturday. It's now up two days with no problems. I'm running at 128/2, and even 64/2 as shown below) in Jack with no xruns so far although I've got a cold and am using it very lightly right now. Anyway, I agree with Lee (so far!) that even the current 2.6.16 series is giving much better performance than older kernels even without Ingo's patches. IF it matters I use the realtime-lsm module and not the othe PAM based stuff. mark@lightning ~ $ uname -a Linux lightning 2.6.16-gentoo-r2 #1 PREEMPT Fri Apr 14 19:18:44 PDT 2006 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ GNU/Linux mark@lightning ~ $ 03:39:46.194 /usr/bin/jackd -R -P80 -p512 -dalsa -dhw:1 -r44100 -p64 -n2 03:39:46.209 JACK was started with PID=6939 (0x1b1b). jackd 0.100.7 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... hw:1|hw:1|64|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:1 configuring for 44100Hz, period = 64 frames, buffer = 2 periods nperiods = 2 for capture nperiods = 2 for playback 03:39:48.278 Server configuration saved to "/home/mark/.jackdrc". 03:39:48.279 Statistics reset. 03:39:48.337 Client activated. 03:39:48.338 Audio connection change. 03:39:48.342 Audio connection graph change. 03:42:16.866 MIDI connection graph change. 03:42:16.924 Audio connection graph change. 03:42:29.945 Audio connection graph change. 03:42:29.963 Audio connection graph change. 03:42:32.372 Audio connection graph change. 03:42:33.834 Audio connection graph change. 03:42:34.943 MIDI connection graph change. Cheers, Mark From torbenh at gmx.de Mon Apr 17 06:58:53 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Mon Apr 17 07:02:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ANN] netjack-0.11 In-Reply-To: <1145250331.15151.11.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060416212223.GA23984@mobilat> <1145250331.15151.11.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060417105853.GA24299@mobilat> On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 01:05:29AM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-04-16 at 23:22 +0200, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > > > Work is underway in improving the latency for big channel counts, > > like 24in / 24out. There seems to be a bottleneck in the kernels > > handling of big UDP Packets. > > Nice, I'm looking forward to the LKML thread! actually i dont want to report it. i evaluated "the irc opinion" and came to the conclusion: - most people think udp is evil ;) - it looks like i am the only one messing with BIG (16k) udp packets in low latency situations under high SCHED_FIFO load. i am currently implementing packet fragmentation into netjack. if that improves the situation drastically i would start reporting on this. in fact i am pretty annoyed by the kernel. i would be very happy, if somebody (sletz ?) could test the performance of 24ch connections under OSX. and i dont have an rt-kernel on the second machine so i cant verify if its already fixed in rt-preempt. Perhaps we need some kind of rt-network packet. /me hides. > > (you do plan to report it right...?) not really :/ -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 07:07:19 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Apr 17 07:07:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa client numbering Message-ID: <444376E7.2000506@gmail.com> Hi I just downloaded, patched and installed 2.6.16.5-rt14. Works fine, but for the first time in my life have 'Midi Through' gotten client number 14, my evolutions keyboards are 24 and 28 (the 449C fails to show up). Anyone experienced this? Solution? Need more info? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps From listreader at lupulin.net Mon Apr 17 07:33:18 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Mon Apr 17 07:34:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi programming question regarding channels In-Reply-To: <4442AA04.8050002@sbcglobal.net> References: <20060416165739.GA5125@seraph.Belkin> <4442AA04.8050002@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20060417113318.GA4999@seraph.office.techtarget.com> Thanks for the responses! That helps a lot. -- paul w From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Mon Apr 17 07:42:36 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Mon Apr 17 07:42:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ANN] netjack-0.11 In-Reply-To: <20060417105853.GA24299@mobilat> Message-ID: > >- most people think udp is evil ;) > UDP is a far better match for audio transmission than TCP. The issue comes does two the difference between the two protocols when it comes to packet loss. Assuming the loss was due to CRC errors or drops under congestion then TCP will recover the lost data itself. UDP will not as it has no concept of transmission control. The ability of TCP to recover this loss points people in the direction of preferring the protocol, but this is not the case with audio. If there is loss of framing with audio transmission over IP then a better recovery is to accept the loss and resync the data streams. This is in effect what Jack does with audio overruns in soft mode. Relying on TCP to handle the recovery means that you have to wait for the resync, and that works very, very badly with TCP, you are likely to go into a slow start and will have the available bandwidth throttled down to the point where very little audio will get through. The only way for a TCP based audio application to deal with this effect (Van Jacobsen algorithm) is to have adaptive resampling rates where the sampling rate over the network is a function of the bandwidth available. Since the back off algorithm in TCP effectively throttles your available bandwidth then your netjack will have to adapt its resampling rates accordingly, or lose sync completely. Now with TCP, the protocol will attempt to recover all the data you sent, rather than accept the overrun and continue. The use of UDP will allow you programme to define its own sampling rates, define its own UDP transmission rates, the application (netjack) will then just have to deal with drop outs, zero filling being one option for example. > >- it looks like i am the only one messing with BIG (16k) udp packets in > low latency situations under high SCHED_FIFO load. > If you are looking to put this application over the internet, then these large (or rather 'jumbo') frames are a no-go. The internet does not support large frames, 1480 being the largest generally accepted payload. If you send a jumbo frame then the nearest router to you transmitter will have to fragment the packet from 1x16k down to about 12x1480 byte packets. This negates any hardware based routing as this generally takes place in software running under the router OS. In short you will add a lot of overhead to your application: it is very likely that 12 frames of 1480 bytes would arrive faster than one 16K frame that has been fragmented since you will not have incurred the overhead on the router to fragment the jumbo. There is additional downside in that the loss of a single fragmented frame will result in the loss of the whole jumbo. The loss of a single 'small' frame will be that single loss only as IP is no longer responsible for reassembly of the fragments at the destination - your application is given that responsability. Nick. _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From joke at apo33.org Mon Apr 17 08:03:35 2006 From: joke at apo33.org (joke) Date: Mon Apr 17 08:08:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audioLinux & RMLL Message-ID: <44438417.9030406@apo33.org> Hello Linux audio Users/programmers ;-) I am curating the audio/video programme for RMLL that will happen in Nancy this year http://www.rmll.info . I would like to know if there is people interested to come to present (conference - workshop - demos...etc) some of the good audio software running under Gnu/Linux &/or some others subjects link to that? It's in Nancy from 4th to 8th of July... should be sunny :-) you could send me answers offline if you want. cheers Julkien http://www.apodio.org http://www.apo33.org http://www.rmll.info From clemens at ladisch.de Mon Apr 17 08:25:00 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon Apr 17 08:25:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25 issues with ALSA In-Reply-To: <20060415155401.zhpzwpdv0xi8og08@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> References: <20060415155401.zhpzwpdv0xi8og08@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Message-ID: <20060417122500.GD25991@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Adrien DANIEL wrote: > Now, when I try to launch Jack on my UA-25, it does not work at all : > > ALSA: cannot set hardware parameters for playback Is there an error message in the system log? Regards, Clemens From torbenh at gmx.de Mon Apr 17 08:26:30 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Mon Apr 17 08:30:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ANN] netjack-0.11 In-Reply-To: References: <20060417105853.GA24299@mobilat> Message-ID: <20060417122630.GA24357@mobilat> On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 01:42:36PM +0200, Nick Copeland wrote: > > > >- most people think udp is evil ;) > > > > UDP is a far better match for audio transmission than TCP. The issue comes > does two the difference between the two protocols when it comes to packet > loss. Assuming the loss was due to CRC errors or drops under congestion > then TCP will recover the lost data itself. UDP will not as it has no > concept of transmission control. > > The ability of TCP to recover this loss points people in the direction of > preferring the protocol, but this is not the case with audio. If there is > loss of framing with audio transmission over IP then a better recovery is > to accept the loss and resync the data streams. This is in effect what Jack > does with audio overruns in soft mode. Relying on TCP to handle the > recovery means that you have to wait for the resync, and that works very, > very badly with TCP, you are likely to go into a slow start and will have > the available bandwidth throttled down to the point where very little audio > will get through. The only way for a TCP based audio application to deal > with this effect (Van Jacobsen algorithm) is to have adaptive resampling > rates where the sampling rate over the network is a function of the > bandwidth available. Since the back off algorithm in TCP effectively > throttles your available bandwidth then your netjack will have to adapt its > resampling rates accordingly, or lose sync completely. Now with TCP, the > protocol will attempt to recover all the data you sent, rather than accept > the overrun and continue. > > The use of UDP will allow you programme to define its own sampling rates, > define its own UDP transmission rates, the application (netjack) will then > just have to deal with drop outs, zero filling being one option for example. its all implemented and working. TCP is not an option currently. > > > > >- it looks like i am the only one messing with BIG (16k) udp packets in > > low latency situations under high SCHED_FIFO load. > > > > If you are looking to put this application over the internet, then these > large (or rather 'jumbo') frames are a no-go. The internet does not support > large frames, 1480 being the largest generally accepted payload. If you > send a jumbo frame then the nearest router to you transmitter will have to > fragment the packet from 1x16k down to about 12x1480 byte packets. This > negates any hardware based routing as this generally takes place in > software running under the router OS. In short you will add a lot of > overhead to your application: it is very likely that 12 frames of 1480 > bytes would arrive faster than one 16K frame that has been fragmented since > you will not have incurred the overhead on the router to fragment the > jumbo. There is additional downside in that the loss of a single fragmented > frame will result in the loss of the whole jumbo. The loss of a single > 'small' frame will be that single loss only as IP is no longer responsible > for reassembly of the fragments at the destination - your application is > given that responsability. i generally dont have the uplink bandwidth to make netjack use big udp packets over internet. with my uplink capabilities is resort to heavy downsampling reducing packet_size below 150 bytes. there seems to be some (unnecessary) latency added when using big udp packets on a LAN. i am talking about a LAN here. and i really think that big UDP packets should just work like small packets on a LAN, where the kernel is handling fragmentation and defragmentation. but this seems not the case. i have yet to test the performance with fragmentation inside of netjack.... > > Nick. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From clemens at ladisch.de Mon Apr 17 08:46:14 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon Apr 17 08:48:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa client numbering In-Reply-To: <444376E7.2000506@gmail.com> References: <444376E7.2000506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060417124614.GA26285@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > I just downloaded, patched and installed 2.6.16.5-rt14. Works fine, but > for the first time in my life have 'Midi Through' gotten client number > 14, my evolutions keyboards are 24 and 28 The client numbering scheme was reorganized in ALSA 1.0.11rc1 because there were too many unused reserved numbers and not enough free numbers for more than eight cards. The numbering scheme will not change again in the foreseeable future. > Solution? Programs should use client names instead of client numbers. For example, given the following ports: $ aplaymidi -l Port Client name Port name 14:0 Midi Through Midi Through Port-0 14:1 Midi Through Midi Through Port-1 20:0 MPU-401 UART MIDI MPU-401 UART MIDI 24:0 Yamaha DS-1E (YMF754) MIDI Yamaha DS-1E (YMF754) MIDI 25:0 OPL3 FM synth OPL3 FM Port 32:0 SC-8820 SC-8820 Part A 32:1 SC-8820 SC-8820 Part B 32:2 SC-8820 SC-8820 MIDI 40:0 Virtual Raw MIDI 6-0 VirMIDI 6-0 41:0 Virtual Raw MIDI 6-1 VirMIDI 6-1 42:0 Virtual Raw MIDI 6-2 VirMIDI 6-2 43:0 Virtual Raw MIDI 6-3 VirMIDI 6-3 48:0 UM-2 UM-2 MIDI 1 48:1 UM-2 UM-2 MIDI 2 56:0 EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) 57:0 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 0 57:1 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 1 57:2 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 2 57:3 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 3 60:0 Serial MIDI Serial MIDI 1 one should use "aconnect MPU-401:0 SC-8820:0" instead of "aconnect 20:0 32:0". > the 449C fails to show up This shouldn't be related to this change. Does it show up in /proc/asound/cards? Regards, Clemens From clemens at ladisch.de Mon Apr 17 08:49:54 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon Apr 17 08:50:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Java and native MIDI ports In-Reply-To: <20060414170940.ivsfveb9hpc084cc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> References: <20060414170940.ivsfveb9hpc084cc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Message-ID: <20060417124954.GB26285@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Adrien DANIEL wrote: > I read somewhere > (http://jsresources.sourceforge.net/faq_midi.html#connect_midi) that > the native apps MIDI ports of the ALSA system where reachable in the > Java 5 Sound API (as MidiDevice) when the virmidi module is loaded. > > Well, I loaded it, listed every MidiDevice availables on the Java > System with a little piece of Java code, but I can't see, for example, > the vkeybd Output port or the FluidSynth Input port ! How Java's MidiDevice ports are mapped to real ports depends on the virtual machine. Which one are you using, and how is its MIDI support configured? What is the list output by your program? What is the output of "amidi -l" and "aplaymidi -l"? Regards, Clemens From b0ef at esben-stien.name Mon Apr 17 11:38:39 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Mon Apr 17 09:40:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Audio SIP Conference Room! In-Reply-To: <32357910.12301145250419535.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> (Lee A. Azzarello's message of "Mon, 17 Apr 2006 01:06:59 -0400 (EDT)") References: <32357910.12301145250419535.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> Message-ID: <87psjgdxfk.fsf@esben-stien.name> "Lee A. Azzarello" writes: > lau@ash.97montrose.org Works excellent;). Dialed in and idled for an hour. Very nice;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 11:14:01 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Apr 17 11:14:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa client numbering In-Reply-To: <20060417124614.GA26285@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <444376E7.2000506@gmail.com> <20060417124614.GA26285@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4443B0B9.5040103@gmail.com> Clemens Ladisch wrote: > The client numbering scheme was reorganized in ALSA 1.0.11rc1 because > there were too many unused reserved numbers and not enough free numbers > for more than eight cards. Ok, that explains alot! >>the 449C fails to show up > This shouldn't be related to this change. Does it show up in > /proc/asound/cards? Nope. This is under 2.6.15-rt21: [atte@aarhus atte]$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [SI7012 ]: ICH - SiS SI7012 SiS SI7012 with ALC200,200P at 0xdc00, irq 10 1 [UA1A ]: USB-Audio - EDIROL UA-1A Roland EDIROL UA-1A at usb-0000:00:03.1-2, full speed 2 [keyboard ]: USB-Audio - MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.2-1.2, f 3 [keyboard_1 ]: USB-Audio - MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.2-1.3, f 4 [Keyboard ]: USB-Audio - MK-449C USB MIDI Keyboard Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-449C USB MIDI Keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.2-1.1, f This is with 2.6.16.5-rt14 [atte@aarhus atte]$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [SI7012 ]: ICH - SiS SI7012 SiS SI7012 with ALC200,200P at 0xdc00, irq 10 1 [UA1A ]: USB-Audio - EDIROL UA-1A Roland EDIROL UA-1A at usb-0000:00:03.2-1, full speed 2 [keyboard ]: USB-Audio - MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.1-2.2, f 3 [keyboard_1 ]: USB-Audio - MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.1-2.3, f Thought the attached file might be of use also, it's "dmesg | tail -n 500 > dmesg" -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps -------------- next part -------------- 7>usb 2-2: new device strings: Mfr=0, Product=0, SerialNumber=0 usb 2-2: uevent usb 2-2: device is bus-powered usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice usb 2-2: adding 2-2:1.0 (config #1, interface 0) usb 2-2:1.0: uevent hub 2-2:1.0: usb_probe_interface hub 2-2:1.0: usb_probe_interface - got id hub 2-2:1.0: USB hub found hub 2-2:1.0: 4 ports detected hub 2-2:1.0: standalone hub hub 2-2:1.0: ganged power switching hub 2-2:1.0: global over-current protection hub 2-2:1.0: power on to power good time: 100ms hub 2-2:1.0: hub controller current requirement: 100mA hub 2-2:1.0: 100mA bus power budget for each child hub 2-2:1.0: no over-current condition exists hub 2-2:1.0: enabling power on all ports drivers/usb/core/inode.c: creating file '002' hub 2-0:1.0: state 7 ports 2 chg 0000 evt 0004 hub 3-0:1.0: state 7 ports 2 chg 0000 evt 0000 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.2: GetStatus roothub.portstatus [0] = 0x00010101 CSC PPS CCS hub 3-0:1.0: port 1, status 0101, change 0001, 12 Mb/s hub 3-0:1.0: debounce: port 1: total 100ms stable 100ms status 0x101 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.2: GetStatus roothub.portstatus [0] = 0x00100103 PRSC PPS PES CCS usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.2: GetStatus roothub.portstatus [0] = 0x00100103 PRSC PPS PES CCS usb 3-1: ep0 maxpacket = 8 usb 3-1: skipped 5 descriptors after interface usb 3-1: skipped 2 descriptors after interface usb 3-1: skipped 1 descriptor after endpoint usb 3-1: skipped 2 descriptors after interface usb 3-1: skipped 1 descriptor after endpoint usb 3-1: default language 0x0409 ehci_hcd: block sizes: qh 128 qtd 96 itd 192 sitd 96 usb 3-1: new device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 usb 3-1: Product: EDIROL UA-1A usb 3-1: Manufacturer: Roland usb 3-1: uevent ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] enabled at IRQ 11 ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:03.3[D] -> Link [LNKH] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 ehci_hcd 0000:00:03.3: EHCI Host Controller ehci_hcd 0000:00:03.3: reset hcs_params 0x103206 dbg=1 cc=3 pcc=2 ordered !ppc ports=6 ehci_hcd 0000:00:03.3: reset hcc_params 7070 thresh 7 uframes 1024 PCI: cache line size of 128 is not supported by device 0000:00:03.3 usb 3-1: device is self-powered usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice usb 3-1: adding 3-1:1.0 (config #1, interface 0) usb 3-1:1.0: uevent usb 3-1: adding 3-1:1.1 (config #1, interface 1) usb 3-1:1.1: uevent usb 3-1: adding 3-1:1.2 (config #1, interface 2) usb 3-1:1.2: uevent drivers/usb/core/inode.c: creating file '002' hub 2-2:1.0: state 7 ports 4 chg 0000 evt 000e hub 2-2:1.0: port 1, status 0101, change 0001, 12 Mb/s drivers/usb/core/inode.c: creating file '004' ehci_hcd 0000:00:03.3: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4 ehci_hcd 0000:00:03.3: irq 11, io mem 0xdbffe000 ehci_hcd 0000:00:03.3: reset command 080002 (park)=0 ithresh=8 period=1024 Reset HALT ehci_hcd 0000:00:03.3: init command 010001 (park)=0 ithresh=1 period=1024 RUN ehci_hcd 0000:00:03.3: USB 2.0 started, EHCI 1.00, driver 10 Dec 2004 usb usb4: default language 0x0409 usb usb4: new device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1 usb usb4: Product: EHCI Host Controller usb usb4: Manufacturer: Linux 2.6.16.5-rt14 ehci_hcd usb usb4: SerialNumber: 0000:00:03.3 usb usb4: uevent ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 hub 2-2:1.0: hub_port_status failed (err = -110) hub 2-2:1.0: connect-debounce failed, port 1 disabled ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0out 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 hub 2-2:1.0: cannot disable port 1 (err = -110) ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 usb usb4: device is self-powered usb usb4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice usb usb4: adding 4-0:1.0 (config #1, interface 0) usb 4-0:1.0: uevent ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 hub 2-2:1.0: hub_port_status failed (err = -110) ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 hub 2-2:1.0: hub_port_status failed (err = -110) ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df379d40 path 2 ep0in 5ec20000 cc 5 --> status -110 hub 2-2:1.0: hub_port_status failed (err = -110) hub 3-0:1.0: state 7 ports 2 chg 0000 evt 0002 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.2: GetStatus roothub.portstatus [0] = 0x00030100 PESC CSC PPS hub 3-0:1.0: port 1, status 0100, change 0003, 12 Mb/s usb 3-1: USB disconnect, address 2 usb 3-1: usb_disable_device nuking all URBs usb 3-1: unregistering interface 3-1:1.0 usb 3-1:1.0: uevent usb 3-1: unregistering interface 3-1:1.1 usb 3-1:1.1: uevent usb 3-1: unregistering interface 3-1:1.2 usb 3-1:1.2: uevent usb 3-1: unregistering device usb 3-1: uevent ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df3d4440 path 2 ep1in 5e160000 cc 5 --> status -110 hub 2-2:1.0: transfer --> -110 hub 3-0:1.0: debounce: port 1: total 100ms stable 100ms status 0x100 hub 2-2:1.0: state 7 ports 4 chg 0000 evt 0000 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: urb df3d4440 path 2 ep1in 5e160000 cc 5 --> status -110 hub 2-2:1.0: transfer --> -110 hub 2-0:1.0: state 7 ports 2 chg 0000 evt 0004 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: GetStatus roothub.portstatus [1] = 0x00030100 PESC CSC PPS hub 2-0:1.0: port 2, status 0100, change 0003, 12 Mb/s usb 2-2: USB disconnect, address 2 usb 2-2: usb_disable_device nuking all URBs ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: shutdown urb df3d4440 pipe 40408280 ep1in-intr usb 2-2: unregistering interface 2-2:1.0 usb 2-2:1.0: uevent usb 2-2: unregistering device usb 2-2: uevent hub 2-0:1.0: debounce: port 2: total 100ms stable 100ms status 0x100 hub 4-0:1.0: usb_probe_interface hub 4-0:1.0: usb_probe_interface - got id hub 4-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 4-0:1.0: 6 ports detected hub 4-0:1.0: standalone hub hub 4-0:1.0: no power switching (usb 1.0) hub 4-0:1.0: individual port over-current protection hub 4-0:1.0: Single TT hub 4-0:1.0: TT requires at most 8 FS bit times (666 ns) hub 4-0:1.0: power on to power good time: 20ms hub 4-0:1.0: local power source is good hub 4-0:1.0: state 7 ports 6 chg 0000 evt 0000 drivers/usb/core/inode.c: creating file '001' ehci_hcd 0000:00:03.3: GetStatus port 3 status 001803 POWER sig=j CSC CONNECT hub 4-0:1.0: port 3, status 0501, change 0001, 480 Mb/s hub 4-0:1.0: debounce: port 3: total 100ms stable 100ms status 0x501 ehci_hcd 0000:00:03.3: port 3 full speed --> companion ehci_hcd 0000:00:03.3: GetStatus port 3 status 003801 POWER OWNER sig=j CONNECT ehci_hcd 0000:00:03.3: GetStatus port 5 status 001803 POWER sig=j CSC CONNECT hub 4-0:1.0: port 5, status 0501, change 0001, 480 Mb/s hub 4-0:1.0: debounce: port 5: total 100ms stable 100ms status 0x501 ehci_hcd 0000:00:03.3: port 5 full speed --> companion ehci_hcd 0000:00:03.3: GetStatus port 5 status 003801 POWER OWNER sig=j CONNECT usbcore: registered new driver snd-usb-audio hub 2-0:1.0: state 7 ports 2 chg 0000 evt 0004 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: GetStatus roothub.portstatus [1] = 0x00010101 CSC PPS CCS hub 2-0:1.0: port 2, status 0101, change 0001, 12 Mb/s hub 2-0:1.0: debounce: port 2: total 100ms stable 100ms status 0x101 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: GetStatus roothub.portstatus [1] = 0x00100103 PRSC PPS PES CCS usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 3 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: GetStatus roothub.portstatus [1] = 0x00100103 PRSC PPS PES CCS usb 2-2: ep0 maxpacket = 8 usb 2-2: new device strings: Mfr=0, Product=0, SerialNumber=0 usb 2-2: uevent usb 2-2: device is bus-powered usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice usb 2-2: adding 2-2:1.0 (config #1, interface 0) usb 2-2:1.0: uevent hub 2-2:1.0: usb_probe_interface hub 2-2:1.0: usb_probe_interface - got id hub 2-2:1.0: USB hub found hub 2-2:1.0: 4 ports detected hub 2-2:1.0: standalone hub hub 2-2:1.0: ganged power switching hub 2-2:1.0: global over-current protection hub 2-2:1.0: power on to power good time: 100ms hub 2-2:1.0: hub controller current requirement: 100mA hub 2-2:1.0: 100mA bus power budget for each child hub 2-2:1.0: no over-current condition exists hub 2-2:1.0: enabling power on all ports drivers/usb/core/inode.c: creating file '003' hub 3-0:1.0: state 7 ports 2 chg 0000 evt 0002 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.2: GetStatus roothub.portstatus [0] = 0x00010101 CSC PPS CCS hub 3-0:1.0: port 1, status 0101, change 0001, 12 Mb/s hub 3-0:1.0: debounce: port 1: total 100ms stable 100ms status 0x101 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.2: GetStatus roothub.portstatus [0] = 0x00100103 PRSC PPS PES CCS usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 3 ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.2: GetStatus roothub.portstatus [0] = 0x00100103 PRSC PPS PES CCS usb 3-1: ep0 maxpacket = 8 usb 3-1: skipped 5 descriptors after interface usb 3-1: skipped 2 descriptors after interface usb 3-1: skipped 1 descriptor after endpoint usb 3-1: skipped 2 descriptors after interface usb 3-1: skipped 1 descriptor after endpoint usb 3-1: default language 0x0409 usb 3-1: new device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 usb 3-1: Product: EDIROL UA-1A usb 3-1: Manufacturer: Roland usb 3-1: uevent usb 3-1: device is self-powered usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice usb 3-1: adding 3-1:1.0 (config #1, interface 0) usb 3-1:1.0: uevent snd-usb-audio 3-1:1.0: usb_probe_interface snd-usb-audio 3-1:1.0: usb_probe_interface - got id 3:1:1: add audio endpoint 0x1 3:2:1: add audio endpoint 0x82 usb 3-1: adding 3-1:1.1 (config #1, interface 1) usb 3-1:1.1: uevent usb 3-1: adding 3-1:1.2 (config #1, interface 2) usb 3-1:1.2: uevent drivers/usb/core/inode.c: creating file '003' hub 2-0:1.0: state 7 ports 2 chg 0000 evt 0004 hub 2-2:1.0: state 7 ports 4 chg 0000 evt 000e hub 2-2:1.0: port 1, status 0101, change 0001, 12 Mb/s hub 2-2:1.0: debounce: port 1: total 100ms stable 100ms status 0x101 usb 2-2.1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4 usb 2-2.1: skipped 1 descriptor after interface usb 2-2.1: skipped 5 descriptors after interface usb 2-2.1: skipped 1 descriptor after endpoint usb 2-2.1: skipped 1 descriptor after endpoint usb 2-2.1: default language 0x0409 usb 2-2.1: new device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 usb 2-2.1: Product: MK-449C USB MIDI Keyboard usb 2-2.1: Manufacturer: Evolution Electronics Ltd. usb 2-2.1: uevent usb 2-2.1: device is bus-powered usb 2-2.1: no configuration chosen from 1 choice drivers/usb/core/inode.c: creating file '004' hub 2-2:1.0: 300mA power budget left hub 2-2:1.0: port 2, status 0101, change 0001, 12 Mb/s hub 2-2:1.0: debounce: port 2: total 100ms stable 100ms status 0x101 usb 2-2.2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 5 usb 2-2.2: skipped 1 descriptor after interface usb 2-2.2: skipped 5 descriptors after interface usb 2-2.2: skipped 1 descriptor after endpoint usb 2-2.2: skipped 1 descriptor after endpoint usb 2-2.2: default language 0x0409 usb 2-2.2: new device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 usb 2-2.2: Product: MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard usb 2-2.2: Manufacturer: Evolution Electronics Ltd. usb 2-2.2: uevent usb 2-2.2: device is bus-powered usb 2-2.2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice usb 2-2.2: adding 2-2.2:1.0 (config #1, interface 0) usb 2-2.2:1.0: uevent snd-usb-audio 2-2.2:1.0: usb_probe_interface snd-usb-audio 2-2.2:1.0: usb_probe_interface - got id MIDIStreaming version 01.00 EP 81: 1 jack(s) EP 02: 1 jack(s) created 1 output and 1 input ports usb 2-2.2: adding 2-2.2:1.1 (config #1, interface 1) usb 2-2.2:1.1: uevent drivers/usb/core/inode.c: creating file '005' hub 2-2:1.0: 300mA power budget left hub 2-2:1.0: port 3, status 0101, change 0001, 12 Mb/s hub 2-2:1.0: debounce: port 3: total 100ms stable 100ms status 0x101 usb 2-2.3: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 6 usb 2-2.3: skipped 1 descriptor after interface usb 2-2.3: skipped 5 descriptors after interface usb 2-2.3: skipped 1 descriptor after endpoint usb 2-2.3: skipped 1 descriptor after endpoint usb 2-2.3: default language 0x0409 usb 2-2.3: new device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 usb 2-2.3: Product: MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard usb 2-2.3: Manufacturer: Evolution Electronics Ltd. usb 2-2.3: uevent usb 2-2.3: device is bus-powered usb 2-2.3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice usb 2-2.3: adding 2-2.3:1.0 (config #1, interface 0) usb 2-2.3:1.0: uevent snd-usb-audio 2-2.3:1.0: usb_probe_interface snd-usb-audio 2-2.3:1.0: usb_probe_interface - got id MIDIStreaming version 01.00 EP 81: 1 jack(s) EP 02: 1 jack(s) created 1 output and 1 input ports usb 2-2.3: adding 2-2.3:1.1 (config #1, interface 1) usb 2-2.3:1.1: uevent drivers/usb/core/inode.c: creating file '006' hub 2-2:1.0: 300mA power budget left hub 3-0:1.0: state 7 ports 2 chg 0000 evt 0002 hub 2-2:1.0: state 7 ports 4 chg 0000 evt 0008 ndiswrapper version 1.10 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no) ndiswrapper: driver bcmwl5 (Broadcom,06/13/2003, 3.20.23.0) loaded ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] enabled at IRQ 5 ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:0a.0[A] -> Link [LNKB] -> GSI 5 (level, low) -> IRQ 5 ndiswrapper: using irq 5 wlan0: vendor: '' wlan0: ndiswrapper ethernet device 00:90:4b:24:09:03 using driver bcmwl5, 14E4:4301.5.conf wlan0: encryption modes supported: WEP; TKIP with WPA mtrr: 0xc8000000,0x8000000 overlaps existing 0xc8000000,0x4000000 mtrr: 0xc8000000,0x8000000 overlaps existing 0xc8000000,0x4000000 mtrr: 0xc8000000,0x8000000 overlaps existing 0xc8000000,0x4000000 [drm:radeon_cp_init] *ERROR* radeon_cp_init called without lock held [drm:drm_unlock] *ERROR* Process 3876 using kernel context 0 BUG: scheduling while atomic: softirq-tasklet/0x00000001/7 caller is schedule+0x4a/0x122 [] __schedule+0x655/0x673 (8) [] activate_task+0x58/0x75 (36) [] schedule+0x4a/0x122 (52) [] rt_lock_slowlock+0xaa/0x170 (36) [] __lock_text_start+0x1d/0x1f (84) [] kfree+0x1e/0x4e (4) [] kfree_skbmem+0x8/0x62 (12) [] free_send_packet+0xa0/0xb1 [ndiswrapper] (8) [] NdisMSendComplete+0x1a/0x40 [ndiswrapper] (24) [] NdisAcquireSpinLock+0x0/0x5b [ndiswrapper] (28) [] ndis_irq_handler+0x25/0x4b [ndiswrapper] (36) [] __tasklet_action+0x45/0xe0 (16) [] ksoftirqd+0xe5/0x166 (24) [] complete+0x42/0x6b (36) [] ksoftirqd+0x0/0x166 (20) [] kthread+0x9c/0xa1 (4) [] kthread+0x0/0xa1 (20) [] kernel_thread_helper+0x5/0xb (16) From lee at rockingtiger.com Mon Apr 17 11:43:18 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Mon Apr 17 11:43:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] QAmix configuration for M-audio 1010-LT Message-ID: <19664346.12941145288598747.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> I'm in the process of replacing my hardware mixer with a MIDI fader box, a M-audio 1010-LT and QAmix. I have a functional template file for this card that works with QAmix. It currently has MIDI maped to the analog playback 1 and 2 to CC 7. If you're interested, download the template here. Hack it if you like. http://radio.socialtechnology.net/?q=node/5 -lee From markus at herhoffer.net Mon Apr 17 13:41:14 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Mon Apr 17 13:41:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] SysExxer and Clavia Nord Stage Message-ID: <4443D33A.6060408@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I want to send a sysex dump to my Clavia Nord Stage, but I get some strange messages: First "Data successfully sent", then "Some error occured while writing to ". The Nord Stage hasn't received anything. I use the latest CVS version 0.8 of Sysexxer. The MIDI connections are set through ALSA. Sending sysex from the Nord Stage to Sysexxer works perfectly. According to the manual the Nord Stage is able to receive sysex data at any time. There is no special mode or special setting to configure the way it receives the data. Markus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEQ9M6uXdsp50C0vMRAqjHAJ9p2pYJy1ioYaQuvt1uJOt0X6NoJwCgnSu8 r9yzJq2q24lp5JEEGCWH+18= =3up4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lee at rockingtiger.com Mon Apr 17 13:47:46 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Mon Apr 17 13:47:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to un-ipod some m4a songs. Message-ID: <26701626.13001145296066849.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> ----- paul wisehart wrote: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 08:32:04PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > Is there an easy way to get the songs off the iPod under Linux? > > I've used gtkpod to get songs off of ipods with both apple and > windows > formatted ipods, and then used faad/lame to make mp3s. > (If the songs are stored as mp3, then obviously no conversion is > needed.) I'm a fan of the dir2ogg script in Debian for converting a directory of many other codecs to ogg/vorbis and keeping metadata. Also, if you would like to go the other way around I modified the mp32ogg script to do ogg->mp3 and renamed it "ipod hammer" since I changed it quite a lot. This is useful for example if you have a large collection of riped music in ogg/vorbis format and would like to share it with someone who only has an ipod. It's lossy, so sound quality is effected. It is obviously a band-aid until Apple gets their head out of their ass and listens to their customers who want a real open source codec. Download it here. Email me any issues. I'll be making a Debian package sometime soon. http://lee.97montrose.org/hacking/ipodhammer.tar -lee From ce at christeck.de Mon Apr 17 13:59:36 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Apr 17 13:58:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] SysExxer and Clavia Nord Stage In-Reply-To: <4443D33A.6060408@herhoffer.net> References: <4443D33A.6060408@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <200604171959.36205.ce@christeck.de> Hi Markus, > I want to send a sysex dump to my Clavia Nord Stage, but I get some > strange messages: First "Data successfully sent", then "Some error > occured while writing to ". The Nord Stage hasn't received anything. this can happen if there is a problem with the ALSA OSS emulation; Sysexxer CVS can work on top of ALSA, but still requires an OSS device. > I use the latest CVS version 0.8 of Sysexxer. The MIDI connections > are set through ALSA. Sending sysex from the Nord Stage to Sysexxer > works perfectly. Great. Unfortunately, the development of Sysexxer is discontinued. > According to the manual the Nord Stage is able to receive sysex data > at any time. There is no special mode or special setting to configure > the way it receives the data. Sysexxer will never complain if any device didn't accept data. The data just gets sent out. If there's an error, then it has nothing to do with the clavia. If you're brave, please write me a PM. I'm currently working on a simple tool, but it requires Qt4 (binary packages as well as devel packages). Would be cool to see if it already can do something useful for you. Best regards ce From b0ef at esben-stien.name Mon Apr 17 17:59:46 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Mon Apr 17 16:01:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Audio SIP Conference Room! In-Reply-To: <32357910.12301145250419535.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> (Lee A. Azzarello's message of "Mon, 17 Apr 2006 01:06:59 -0400 (EDT)") References: <32357910.12301145250419535.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> Message-ID: <877j5ndfsd.fsf@esben-stien.name> "Lee A. Azzarello" writes: > connect to it Would be nice if you could remove the hold music or provide a way to turn it off;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr Mon Apr 17 17:03:26 2006 From: adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr (Adrien DANIEL) Date: Mon Apr 17 17:03:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25 issues with ALSA In-Reply-To: <20060417122500.GD25991@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <20060415155401.zhpzwpdv0xi8og08@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <20060417122500.GD25991@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <20060417230326.y5fkf8hryi68so0o@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Hi again, In fact, that problem is very surprising. My UA-25 refuses to work under DeMuDi testing (I reinstalled it, and it did not work better). However, it worked under DeMuDi stable, but I did not kept it on my disk, because DeMuDi stable is not synchronized with Sarge. So now I use my UA-25 under Ubuntu Linux with the DeMuDi stable kernel and tuned with the ubuntustudio.com website instructions. It is probably not the best solution, but it works ! Cheers, AD From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 17:04:41 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Apr 17 17:04:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> Hi, This thread is happening on the Linux Kernel Mailing List. Since I'm not a programmer I don't understand the full ramifications. Can someone here tell me would this render the realtime-lsm module unusable and if so what would I have to do to get realtime operation without realtime-lsm? Thanks, Mark From ce at christeck.de Mon Apr 17 17:10:10 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Apr 17 17:09:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de> > This thread is happening on the Linux Kernel Mailing List. Since > I'm not a programmer I don't understand the full ramifications. Can > someone here tell me would this render the realtime-lsm module > unusable and if so what would I have to do to get realtime operation > without realtime-lsm? this would be horrible because my machine doesn't boot a patched kernel. Didn't test the recent vanilla kernels, though. I heard these are very audio friendly without furtzer patching? Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Mon Apr 17 17:11:57 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Apr 17 17:11:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25 issues with ALSA In-Reply-To: <20060417230326.y5fkf8hryi68so0o@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> References: <20060415155401.zhpzwpdv0xi8og08@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <20060417122500.GD25991@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <20060417230326.y5fkf8hryi68so0o@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Message-ID: <200604172311.57473.ce@christeck.de> > It is probably not the best solution, but it works ! great to hear. BTW: Recently I read there have been kernels where snd_usb_audio was broken. Maybe DeMuDi testing installs such a kernel? Best regards ce From adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr Mon Apr 17 17:16:44 2006 From: adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr (Adrien DANIEL) Date: Mon Apr 17 17:16:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060417231644.el96te6qni0wc8cw@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Mark Knecht wrote : > This thread is happening on the Linux Kernel Mailing List. Since > I'm not a programmer I don't understand the full ramifications. Can > someone here tell me would this render the realtime-lsm module > unusable and if so what would I have to do to get realtime operation > without realtime-lsm? I don't know if I answer your question (probably not !), but personnaly, under Ubuntu Breezy, I use set_rlimits (I saw that here : http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Rlimits-Aware_PAM ). Regards, AD From adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr Mon Apr 17 17:21:50 2006 From: adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr (Adrien DANIEL) Date: Mon Apr 17 17:21:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25 issues with ALSA In-Reply-To: <200604172311.57473.ce@christeck.de> References: <20060415155401.zhpzwpdv0xi8og08@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <20060417122500.GD25991@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <20060417230326.y5fkf8hryi68so0o@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <200604172311.57473.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20060417232150.9xtbitwnvgo4cco8@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Christoph Eckert wrote : > BTW: Recently I read there have been kernels where snd_usb_audio was > broken. Maybe DeMuDi testing installs such a kernel? Probably... I would like to thank you again for your help. It is good to be helped in these sad situations ! :) AD From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 17 17:40:29 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 17 17:40:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1145310030.16138.80.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 23:10 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > This thread is happening on the Linux Kernel Mailing List. Since > > I'm not a programmer I don't understand the full ramifications. Can > > someone here tell me would this render the realtime-lsm module > > unusable and if so what would I have to do to get realtime operation > > without realtime-lsm? > > this would be horrible because my machine doesn't boot a patched kernel. > > Didn't test the recent vanilla kernels, though. I heard these are very > audio friendly without furtzer patching? You are confusing the -rt patch which improves the kernel's realtime performance with the realtime LSM which provides access to realtime scheduling to non-root users. The realtime LSM is really no longer needed as PAM or set_rtlimits solves the problem without requiring a kernel patch From ce at christeck.de Mon Apr 17 17:43:27 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Apr 17 17:42:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA-25 issues with ALSA In-Reply-To: <20060417232150.9xtbitwnvgo4cco8@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> References: <20060415155401.zhpzwpdv0xi8og08@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <200604172311.57473.ce@christeck.de> <20060417232150.9xtbitwnvgo4cco8@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> Message-ID: <200604172343.27705.ce@christeck.de> > I would like to thank you again for your help. It is good to be > helped in these sad situations ! :) I know ;-))) Best regards ce From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 17:56:01 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Apr 17 17:56:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <1145310030.16138.80.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de> <1145310030.16138.80.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com> On 4/17/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 23:10 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > > This thread is happening on the Linux Kernel Mailing List. Since > > > I'm not a programmer I don't understand the full ramifications. Can > > > someone here tell me would this render the realtime-lsm module > > > unusable and if so what would I have to do to get realtime operation > > > without realtime-lsm? > > > > this would be horrible because my machine doesn't boot a patched kernel. > > > > Didn't test the recent vanilla kernels, though. I heard these are very > > audio friendly without furtzer patching? > > You are confusing the -rt patch which improves the kernel's realtime > performance with the realtime LSM which provides access to realtime > scheduling to non-root users. > > The realtime LSM is really no longer needed as PAM or set_rtlimits > solves the problem without requiring a kernel patch Lee, I know nothing about set_rtlimits and wouldn't know how to use it. Where can I find a good walk through on doing that instead of using realtime-lsm like I am today? Thanks, Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 17 18:04:32 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 17 18:04:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de> <1145310030.16138.80.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 14:56 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > Lee, > I know nothing about set_rtlimits and wouldn't know how to use it. > > Where can I find a good walk through on doing that instead of using > realtime-lsm like I am today? > > Thanks, > Mark > What distro are you using? It's easiest to just upgrade to one that supports it. Lee From ce at christeck.de Mon Apr 17 18:33:38 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Apr 17 18:32:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com> <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> > What distro are you using? ?It's easiest to just upgrade to one that > supports it. Worst case: Gentoo with custom kernel :) . Best regards ce From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 17 18:42:49 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 17 18:43:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com> <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 00:33 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > What distro are you using? It's easiest to just upgrade to one that > > supports it. > > Worst case: Gentoo with custom kernel :) . There's no easy way to make Gentoo use a newer version of PAM? Lee From ce at christeck.de Mon Apr 17 19:01:36 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Apr 17 19:00:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> > There's no easy way to make Gentoo use a newer version of PAM? it currently uses pam-0.78-r3. Is this recent enough? To be honest, I always denied to learn about PAM; upgrading it is simple, but I fear that after upgrading the system will behave strange (e.g. no login at all :) . Am I a chicken? Yes, looks like :) . Best regards ce From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 19:07:49 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Apr 17 19:08:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de> <1145310030.16138.80.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com> <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604171607n70c99256n7fd9793852a5e58a@mail.gmail.com> On 4/17/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 14:56 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Lee, > > I know nothing about set_rtlimits and wouldn't know how to use it. > > > > Where can I find a good walk through on doing that instead of using > > realtime-lsm like I am today? > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > What distro are you using? It's easiest to just upgrade to one that > supports it. > > Lee Gentoo with either a standard Gentoo kernel or a kernel.org kernel with Ingo's patches. Thanks, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 19:11:13 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Apr 17 19:11:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604171607n70c99256n7fd9793852a5e58a@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de> <1145310030.16138.80.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com> <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171607n70c99256n7fd9793852a5e58a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604171611jd13e13fhb5e5084d1ab23a12@mail.gmail.com> On 4/17/06, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 4/17/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 14:56 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > Lee, > > > I know nothing about set_rtlimits and wouldn't know how to use it. > > > > > > Where can I find a good walk through on doing that instead of using > > > realtime-lsm like I am today? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Mark > > > > > > > What distro are you using? It's easiest to just upgrade to one that > > supports it. > > > > Lee > > Gentoo with either a standard Gentoo kernel or a kernel.org kernel > with Ingo's patches. > > Thanks, > Mark > found this: http://esaracco.free.fr/documentations/linuxaudio/linuxaudio/obtaining-realtime-privileges.html From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 17 19:13:31 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 17 19:13:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 01:01 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > There's no easy way to make Gentoo use a newer version of PAM? > > it currently uses pam-0.78-r3. Is this recent enough? > No, that version is a year and a half old. The latest is 0.99. See ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/pre/library/ > To be honest, I always denied to learn about PAM; upgrading it is > simple, but I fear that after upgrading the system will behave strange > (e.g. no login at all :) . > > Am I a chicken? Yes, looks like :) . Can you file a Gentoo bug report asking them to fully support the RTPRIO rlimit? Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 17 19:14:28 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 17 19:15:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604171607n70c99256n7fd9793852a5e58a@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de> <1145310030.16138.80.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com> <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171607n70c99256n7fd9793852a5e58a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1145315669.16138.100.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 16:07 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Gentoo with either a standard Gentoo kernel or a kernel.org kernel > with Ingo's patches. Kernel does not matter as long as it's 2.6.12 or newer From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 19:16:22 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Apr 17 19:16:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604171616j6c02d9e1l7444b95de3badaa4@mail.gmail.com> On 4/17/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 01:01 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > > There's no easy way to make Gentoo use a newer version of PAM? > > > > it currently uses pam-0.78-r3. Is this recent enough? > > > > No, that version is a year and a half old. The latest is 0.99. See > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/pre/library/ OK, let me look there. Thanks. > > > To be honest, I always denied to learn about PAM; upgrading it is > > simple, but I fear that after upgrading the system will behave strange > > (e.g. no login at all :) . > > > > Am I a chicken? Yes, looks like :) . > > Can you file a Gentoo bug report asking them to fully support the RTPRIO > rlimit? > I'd be happy to but it's likely to get done only when some ebuild developer wants to take it on. Who knows when that might happen, right? First step is for me to research the Gentoo bugzilla and see what I can find. I'll get back to you with that. I suppose all this would mean is that we cannot move forward with new kernels after they do this until the Gentoo guys have an ebuild for set_rlimits. (rlimits or rtlimits?) Thanks, Mark From ce at christeck.de Mon Apr 17 19:20:19 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Apr 17 19:19:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200604180120.19723.ce@christeck.de> Hi Lee, > No, that version is a year and a half old. ?The latest is 0.99. ?See > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/pre/library/ The latest in the Gentoo repository is 0.78-r5. > > To be honest, I always denied to learn about PAM; upgrading it is > > simple, but I fear that after upgrading the system will behave > > strange (e.g. no login at all :) . > > > > Am I a chicken? Yes, looks like :) . > > Can you file a Gentoo bug report asking them to fully support the > RTPRIO rlimit? Will do, but not tonight :) . Thanks a lot & best regards ce From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 19:19:50 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Apr 17 19:20:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604171616j6c02d9e1l7444b95de3badaa4@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171616j6c02d9e1l7444b95de3badaa4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604171619q3e0d30cchc34b798fb4b35cb3@mail.gmail.com> > > > > Can you file a Gentoo bug report asking them to fully support the RTPRIO > > rlimit? > > First step is for me to research the Gentoo bugzilla and see what I > can find. I'll get back to you with that. > Seems that there has been a report for 8 months with no action taken: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101766 I guess the issue doesn't seem important enough to them yet, or this description hasn't made it clear enough. - Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 19:21:04 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Apr 17 19:21:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <200604180120.19723.ce@christeck.de> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> <200604180120.19723.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604171621v3dd679y64e03a8328652858@mail.gmail.com> On 4/17/06, Christoph Eckert wrote: > Hi Lee, > > > > No, that version is a year and a half old. The latest is 0.99. See > > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/pre/library/ > > The latest in the Gentoo repository is 0.78-r5. Christoph. emerge what? I'm not finding it yet. thanks, Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 17 19:29:48 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 17 19:29:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604171616j6c02d9e1l7444b95de3badaa4@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171616j6c02d9e1l7444b95de3badaa4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1145316589.16138.102.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 16:16 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > I suppose all this would mean is that we cannot move forward with new > kernels after they do this until the Gentoo guys have an ebuild for > set_rlimits. (rlimits or rtlimits?) This is really not an ideal solution. The focus should be on getting PAM upgraded. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 19:33:49 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Apr 17 19:33:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <1145316589.16138.102.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171616j6c02d9e1l7444b95de3badaa4@mail.gmail.com> <1145316589.16138.102.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604171633u3f9367f4te9a75a7ab16bf633@mail.gmail.com> On 4/17/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 16:16 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > I suppose all this would mean is that we cannot move forward with new > > kernels after they do this until the Gentoo guys have an ebuild for > > set_rlimits. (rlimits or rtlimits?) > > This is really not an ideal solution. The focus should be on getting > PAM upgraded. > > Lee > > Lee, Is that what is specifically required or do we need PAM updated AND some new ebuild for set_rlimits? I don't want to ask for something and then have it be a partial solution. Christoph is correct about what's available at this time: mark@lightning ~ $ eix sys-libs/pam * sys-libs/pam Available versions: 0.77-r6 ~0.77-r8 0.78-r2 0.78-r3 ~0.78-r4 ~0.78-r5 Installed: 0.78-r3 Homepage: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ Description: Based on the multilib eclass Found 1 matches mark@lightning ~ $ thanks, Mark From reuben.m at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 19:41:24 2006 From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin) Date: Mon Apr 17 19:41:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604171619q3e0d30cchc34b798fb4b35cb3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171616j6c02d9e1l7444b95de3badaa4@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0604171619q3e0d30cchc34b798fb4b35cb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/17/06, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > Can you file a Gentoo bug report asking them to fully support the RTPRIO > > > rlimit? > > > > > First step is for me to research the Gentoo bugzilla and see what I > > can find. I'll get back to you with that. > > > > Seems that there has been a report for 8 months with no action taken: Yeah, I'm the one who filed it. I don't know why they are dragging their feet to use the newer versions. I suspect that it presents incompatibilities with other programs somewhere that they are waiting to be fixed. > > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101766 > > I guess the issue doesn't seem important enough to them yet, or this > description hasn't made it clear enough. > > - Mark > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 17 19:44:50 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 17 19:44:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604171633u3f9367f4te9a75a7ab16bf633@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171616j6c02d9e1l7444b95de3badaa4@mail.gmail.com> <1145316589.16138.102.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171633u3f9367f4te9a75a7ab16bf633@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1145317491.16138.106.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 16:33 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > Lee, > Is that what is specifically required or do we need PAM updated AND > some new ebuild for set_rlimits? One or the other - doing both would be pointless. Actually if your distros glibc is also old then you may need to patch PAM rather than upgrade it. Basically set_rtlimits should be considered a stopgap measure to make non-root SCHED_FIFO work until your distro gets it together and updates their PAM and glibc ;-) See why I recommend just upgrading to a distro with a quicker release cycle? Lee From ix at replic.net Mon Apr 17 20:12:38 2006 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Mon Apr 17 20:12:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freecycle screenshots In-Reply-To: <200604111441.29893.viceic@net2000.ch> References: <200604111441.29893.viceic@net2000.ch> Message-ID: <20060418001238.GA18485@replic.net> On Tue Apr 11, 2006 at 02:41:29PM +0200, Predrag Viceic wrote: > Hi All, > > For those who didn't yet try Freecycle, or didn't manage to build it (which > happens very often.. :( ), here is some meat: neat, i had sort of written it off as a "yawn, recycle did this in 1995" thing. the inter-app drag'n'drop looks neat - does this only work within KDE apps? or does it forexample write out a tmp file somewhre, and passes the path via the XDND text/file-uri format? and yeah, if theres an ebuild, post about it. since a lot of us gave up compiling long ago (im pretty sure i saw a good dozen people over the past year ask if freecycle compiles in #lad) From dana at ubuntustudio.com Mon Apr 17 20:23:18 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Mon Apr 17 20:22:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <1145317491.16138.106.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171616j6c02d9e1l7444b95de3badaa4@mail.gmail.com> <1145316589.16138.102.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171633u3f9367f4te9a75a7ab16bf633@mail.gmail.com> <1145317491.16138.106.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1145319798.25415.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 19:44 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 16:33 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Lee, > > Is that what is specifically required or do we need PAM updated AND > > some new ebuild for set_rlimits? > > One or the other - doing both would be pointless. > > Actually if your distros glibc is also old then you may need to patch > PAM rather than upgrade it. Someone linked to a page for Breezy earlier from my wiki, which IIRC also used PAM 0.78 (it's been a while). That patch there should be trivial to apply to Gentoo's PAM. And that's all that would be required. > Basically set_rtlimits should be considered a stopgap measure to make > non-root SCHED_FIFO work until your distro gets it together and updates > their PAM and glibc ;-) Or for users of Slackware or other such non-PAM-using distros. :) > See why I recommend just upgrading to a distro with a quicker release > cycle? Yup. Dapper is just a month and a half away from proper release. ;) > Lee > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060417/1667ffac/attachment.bin From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 20:38:50 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Apr 17 20:38:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <1145317491.16138.106.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171616j6c02d9e1l7444b95de3badaa4@mail.gmail.com> <1145316589.16138.102.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171633u3f9367f4te9a75a7ab16bf633@mail.gmail.com> <1145317491.16138.106.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604171738m346bd94bvd23b06f59fc07a0@mail.gmail.com> On 4/17/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 16:33 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Lee, > > Is that what is specifically required or do we need PAM updated AND > > some new ebuild for set_rlimits? > > One or the other - doing both would be pointless. > > Actually if your distros glibc is also old then you may need to patch > PAM rather than upgrade it. > > Basically set_rtlimits should be considered a stopgap measure to make > non-root SCHED_FIFO work until your distro gets it together and updates > their PAM and glibc ;-) > > See why I recommend just upgrading to a distro with a quicker release > cycle? > > Lee > > It appears that there has been a request in place for pam-0.99 for some time now. The response from developer knowledgable folks is at the end of this bug report: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87577 As for glibc, what is considered old and requires PAM to be patched? Here's what is available on Gentoo: mark@lightning ~ $ eix -I glibc * sys-libs/glibc Available versions: [P]2.2.5-r10 [P]2.3.2-r12 [P]2.3.3.20040420-r2 [P]2.3.4.20040619-r2 [P]2.3.4.20040808-r1 [P]2.3.4.20041102-r1 [P]2.3.4.20041102-r2 [P]2.3.4.20050125-r1 2.3.5 2.3.5-r1 2.3.5-r2 ~2.3.5-r3 *2.3.6 *2.3.6-r1 ~2.3.6-r2 ~2.3.6-r3 ~2.4-r1 *2.4-r2 Installed: 2.3.5-r2 Homepage: http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/libc.html Description: GNU libc6 (also called glibc2) C library Thanks, Mark P.S. - Yeah - If a binary only distro actually worked for the 50 extra things I need to run then I'd consider it but I've been down that path with Fedora and am quite hesitant to go there again. ;-) - MWK From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 17 20:50:09 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 17 20:50:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604171738m346bd94bvd23b06f59fc07a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171616j6c02d9e1l7444b95de3badaa4@mail.gmail.com> <1145316589.16138.102.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171633u3f9367f4te9a75a7ab16bf633@mail.gmail.com> <1145317491.16138.106.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171738m346bd94bvd23b06f59fc07a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1145321409.16138.114.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 17:38 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > As for glibc, what is considered old and requires PAM to be patched? > Here's what is available on Gentoo: Somewhere around 2.3.5 or later should be OK. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 20:53:55 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Apr 17 20:54:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <1145321409.16138.114.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171616j6c02d9e1l7444b95de3badaa4@mail.gmail.com> <1145316589.16138.102.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171633u3f9367f4te9a75a7ab16bf633@mail.gmail.com> <1145317491.16138.106.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171738m346bd94bvd23b06f59fc07a0@mail.gmail.com> <1145321409.16138.114.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604171753j30880346qa98725c269f6e81b@mail.gmail.com> On 4/17/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 17:38 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > As for glibc, what is considered old and requires PAM to be patched? > > Here's what is available on Gentoo: > > Somewhere around 2.3.5 or later should be OK. > Great 2.3.50r2 is considered stable and installed on all my machines so at least I don't have to deal with that. To others: I've added what little I can to the Gentoo bugzilla. I would strongly suggest that any other Gentoo users interested in this solution do the same as more input generally leads to faster results from the developers. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87577 Cheers, Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Apr 17 20:55:26 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Apr 17 20:55:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604171738m346bd94bvd23b06f59fc07a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171616j6c02d9e1l7444b95de3badaa4@mail.gmail.com> <1145316589.16138.102.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171633u3f9367f4te9a75a7ab16bf633@mail.gmail.com> <1145317491.16138.106.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171738m346bd94bvd23b06f59fc07a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1145321727.16138.115.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 17:38 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > It appears that there has been a request in place for pam-0.99 for > some time now. The response from developer knowledgable folks is at > the end of this bug report: > > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87577 > It actually only needs to be upgraded to 0.80 or later but might as well upgrade fully... Lee From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 21:54:24 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Apr 17 21:54:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: FC5 + X86_64 + RT16 = no boot In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604170344w5d1f9efp1fd53ba5d011c87f@mail.gmail.com> References: <158277e20604150809r51574efdg97cdca69d1be4c30@mail.gmail.com> <20060416092413.GB15866@replic.net> <1145250826.15151.21.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604170344w5d1f9efp1fd53ba5d011c87f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/17/06, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 4/16/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-04-16 at 09:24 +0000, carmen wrote: > > > nope, but ive never gotten the RT series to work without either > > > freezing/instant-rebooting right after grub passes off execution to > > > the kernel, or a kernel panic on some ACPI or similar issue during > > > bootup, or a random unprovoked hard freeze within about 5 to 15 > > > minutse after booting up. this is on several different machines, a > > > Sempron64, a Turion64, and an Athlon64, on VIA, MSI, and Shuttle > > > platforms. somehow Mark Knecht i think has claimed stable operation on > > > this architecture, so maybe you want to ask him his magical > > > combination of hardware / compiler / kernel / patch. > > > > > > > PLEASE, report these issues to Ingo and LKML! Bugs do not fix > > themselves... > > > > Lee > > Hi, > Sorry. I didn't read this thread due to the title but when my nam > pops up I figure I'd better find out what people are saying about me. > > I'm writing back on my AMD_64 here. It's certainly stable and > doesn't crash. I can forward a 2.6.15-rt18 .config file to someone. > (Carmen? email address please. Florian? Drop me a note if you want a > copy.) > > One note: Based on a comment Lee Revel made a few days ago, I think > on this list, about the standard kernel giving good realtime results I > built 2.6.16-gentoo-r2 on Saturday. It's now up two days with no > problems. I'm running at 128/2, and even 64/2 as shown below) in Jack > with no xruns so far although I've got a cold and am using it very > lightly right now. Anyway, I agree with Lee (so far!) that even the > current 2.6.16 series is giving much better performance than older > kernels even without Ingo's patches. IF it matters I use the > realtime-lsm module and not the othe PAM based stuff. > Can you send it my way too? I'm having a few issues getting newer kernels with ingo's patches to boot here. I'm running 2.6.12 now. Loki From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 22:16:10 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Apr 17 22:16:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: FC5 + X86_64 + RT16 = no boot In-Reply-To: References: <158277e20604150809r51574efdg97cdca69d1be4c30@mail.gmail.com> <20060416092413.GB15866@replic.net> <1145250826.15151.21.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604170344w5d1f9efp1fd53ba5d011c87f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604171916k1dd27234u7dba042da95fcc91@mail.gmail.com> Sorry. I actually haven't received any requests from people for this since my offer. I'll box it up and get it in the mail to you in a few minutes. If anyone else specifically wants my .config file for a 2.6.15-rt kernel let me know odd list please. Cheers, Mark On 4/17/06, Loki Davison wrote: > On 4/17/06, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 4/16/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sun, 2006-04-16 at 09:24 +0000, carmen wrote: > > > > nope, but ive never gotten the RT series to work without either > > > > freezing/instant-rebooting right after grub passes off execution to > > > > the kernel, or a kernel panic on some ACPI or similar issue during > > > > bootup, or a random unprovoked hard freeze within about 5 to 15 > > > > minutse after booting up. this is on several different machines, a > > > > Sempron64, a Turion64, and an Athlon64, on VIA, MSI, and Shuttle > > > > platforms. somehow Mark Knecht i think has claimed stable operation on > > > > this architecture, so maybe you want to ask him his magical > > > > combination of hardware / compiler / kernel / patch. > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE, report these issues to Ingo and LKML! Bugs do not fix > > > themselves... > > > > > > Lee > > > > Hi, > > Sorry. I didn't read this thread due to the title but when my nam > > pops up I figure I'd better find out what people are saying about me. > > > > I'm writing back on my AMD_64 here. It's certainly stable and > > doesn't crash. I can forward a 2.6.15-rt18 .config file to someone. > > (Carmen? email address please. Florian? Drop me a note if you want a > > copy.) > > > > One note: Based on a comment Lee Revel made a few days ago, I think > > on this list, about the standard kernel giving good realtime results I > > built 2.6.16-gentoo-r2 on Saturday. It's now up two days with no > > problems. I'm running at 128/2, and even 64/2 as shown below) in Jack > > with no xruns so far although I've got a cold and am using it very > > lightly right now. Anyway, I agree with Lee (so far!) that even the > > current 2.6.16 series is giving much better performance than older > > kernels even without Ingo's patches. IF it matters I use the > > realtime-lsm module and not the othe PAM based stuff. > > > > Can you send it my way too? I'm having a few issues getting newer > kernels with ingo's patches to boot here. I'm running 2.6.12 now. > > Loki > From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 22:32:46 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Apr 17 22:32:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: FC5 + X86_64 + RT16 = no boot In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604171916k1dd27234u7dba042da95fcc91@mail.gmail.com> References: <158277e20604150809r51574efdg97cdca69d1be4c30@mail.gmail.com> <20060416092413.GB15866@replic.net> <1145250826.15151.21.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604170344w5d1f9efp1fd53ba5d011c87f@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0604171916k1dd27234u7dba042da95fcc91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44444FCE.3060309@gmail.com> Mark Knecht wrote: > If anyone else specifically wants my .config file for a 2.6.15-rt > kernel let me know odd list please. Today I patched a linux-2.6.16.5-rt14 kernel, and it boots fine here. If anyones interrested in my .config it here: http://www.atte.dk/config -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps From denisfalqueto at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 22:41:58 2006 From: denisfalqueto at gmail.com (Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto) Date: Mon Apr 17 22:42:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604171738m346bd94bvd23b06f59fc07a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171616j6c02d9e1l7444b95de3badaa4@mail.gmail.com> <1145316589.16138.102.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171633u3f9367f4te9a75a7ab16bf633@mail.gmail.com> <1145317491.16138.106.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171738m346bd94bvd23b06f59fc07a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/17/06, Mark Knecht wrote: > P.S. - Yeah - If a binary only distro actually worked for the 50 extra > things I need to run then I'd consider it but I've been down that path > with Fedora and am quite hesitant to go there again. ;-) - MWK > I think you could try Arch Linux. I moved from Gentoo to it and I don't regret. All the basic packages are binary, compiled against i686 and if you don't find the package you need, you can very easily make one yourself and install. It is easier to build than an ebuild file. Or search for it in Arch User Repository, which is an online repository of .PKGBUILDs (the ebuild of Arch). It is mantained by the users and you can contribute with PKGBUILDs you write yourself. I have lots of compiled programs runing without problems. It comes with PAM 0.8(something...), with rtlimits support, so you can easly follow the examples in the net and get a good latency. For example, I'm using jack with a period size of 128 and having ~5 ms of latency in the onboard sound of my ASUS (I am brave, I know, but I'm no professional :-). There are some xruns when applications start and when I connect things in qjackctl, and with -p 256 they disappear (but they don't bother me so much, so I set -p 128 and am very happy). So, go to www.archlinux.org and give it a try. -- ------------------------------------------- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto ------------------------------------------- From lee at rockingtiger.com Tue Apr 18 01:18:04 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Tue Apr 18 01:18:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Audio SIP Conference Room! Message-ID: <2190503.13271145337484079.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> ha ha ha! was wating for someone to mention that. I'm new to the activity of calling a phone number and idleing :). I'll turn it off, though I feel a small bit of satisfaction knowing I can broadcast any music regardless of copyright. Perhaps we can make a LAU playlist for the hold music? Send mp3/ogg files to me personally. -lee ----- Esben Stien wrote: > "Lee A. Azzarello" writes: > > > connect to it > > Would be nice if you could remove the hold music or provide a way to > turn it off;). > > -- > Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a > http://www. s t n m > irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact > [sip|iax]: e e > jid:b0ef@ n n From atte.jensen at gmail.com Tue Apr 18 03:38:19 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue Apr 18 03:38:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: FC5 + X86_64 + RT16 = no boot In-Reply-To: <44444FCE.3060309@gmail.com> References: <158277e20604150809r51574efdg97cdca69d1be4c30@mail.gmail.com> <20060416092413.GB15866@replic.net> <1145250826.15151.21.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604170344w5d1f9efp1fd53ba5d011c87f@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0604171916k1dd27234u7dba042da95fcc91@mail.gmail.com> <44444FCE.3060309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4444976B.10504@gmail.com> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Today I patched a linux-2.6.16.5-rt14 kernel, and it boots fine here. Ahemm. Actually I have a problem that one of my evolution keyboards doesn't show up.... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps From linux-stuff at arcor.de Tue Apr 18 04:17:53 2006 From: linux-stuff at arcor.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Frieder_B=FCrzele?=) Date: Tue Apr 18 04:18:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <1145319798.25415.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171616j6c02d9e1l7444b95de3badaa4@mail.gmail.com> <1145316589.16138.102.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171633u3f9367f4te9a75a7ab16bf633@mail.gmail.com> <1145317491.16138.106.camel@mindpipe> <1145319798.25415.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4444A0B1.5020804@arcor.de> Dana Olson wrote: > On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 19:44 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > >> On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 16:33 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >>> Lee, >>> Is that what is specifically required or do we need PAM updated AND >>> some new ebuild for set_rlimits? >>> >> One or the other - doing both would be pointless. >> >> Actually if your distros glibc is also old then you may need to patch >> PAM rather than upgrade it. >> > > Someone linked to a page for Breezy earlier from my wiki, which IIRC > also used PAM 0.78 (it's been a while). That patch there should be > trivial to apply to Gentoo's PAM. And that's all that would be required. > I've done already a patched ebuild. (pam-0.78-r6) You can obtain it from the "pro audio production applications portage overlay " at http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-427211.html direct link: http://svnweb.tuxfamily.org/dl.php?repname=proaudio+%28ckpp%29&path=%2Fsys-libs%2Fpam%2F&rev=0&isdir=1 Greetz Frieder From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Tue Apr 18 04:36:22 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Tue Apr 18 04:36:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171616j6c02d9e1l7444b95de3badaa4@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0604171619q3e0d30cchc34b798fb4b35cb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060418103622.70ac6ac0@SiRiUS.home> On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:41:24 -0500 "Reuben Martin" wrote: > On 4/17/06, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > > > Can you file a Gentoo bug report asking them to fully support > > > > the RTPRIO rlimit? > > > > > > > > First step is for me to research the Gentoo bugzilla and see what > > > I can find. I'll get back to you with that. > > > > > > > Seems that there has been a report for 8 months with no action > > taken: > > Yeah, I'm the one who filed it. I don't know why they are dragging > their feet to use the newer versions. I suspect that it presents > incompatibilities with other programs somewhere that they are waiting > to be fixed. > > > > > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101766 > > > > I guess the issue doesn't seem important enough to them yet, or this > > description hasn't made it clear enough. > > > > - Mark > > > There is an overlay that provides gentoo standard PAM + the patch for RLIMITS usability (beside a lot of nice software not in portage ;)). svn co svn://svn.tuxfamily.org/svnroot/ckpp/proaudio Might take ages till they include it into main portage, unfortunately. Gentoo provides realtime-lsm so far, i guess they think that's enough and easier anyway. HTH tom From fbar at footils.org Tue Apr 18 04:44:28 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Apr 18 04:44:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de> <1145310030.16138.80.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com> <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060418084428.GC11909@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 14:56 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > I know nothing about set_rtlimits and wouldn't know how to use it. > > > > Where can I find a good walk through on doing that instead of using > > realtime-lsm like I am today? > > What distro are you using? It's easiest to just upgrade to one that > supports it. Huh, what kind of advice is that? Installing the newest libpam or maybe building set_rtlimits is *much* easier than switching to a different distribution. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From chris.cannam at ferventsoftware.com Tue Apr 18 04:53:30 2006 From: chris.cannam at ferventsoftware.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Tue Apr 18 04:52:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa client numbering In-Reply-To: <20060417124614.GA26285@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <444376E7.2000506@gmail.com> <20060417124614.GA26285@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <200604180953.31188.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> On Monday 17 Apr 2006 13:46, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > I just downloaded, patched and installed 2.6.16.5-rt14. Works fine, > > but for the first time in my life have 'Midi Through' gotten client > > number 14, my evolutions keyboards are 24 and 28 > > The client numbering scheme was reorganized in ALSA 1.0.11rc1 because > there were too many unused reserved numbers and not enough free > numbers for more than eight cards. Incidentally this unannounced change broke Rosegarden 1.0. Rosegarden relies on the client numbers to determine whether a port is system, hardware or software -- there are significant functional differences between the types of port, and I see no other way to find out which type a port is -- if there is one, I'd dearly like to know. So users of RG 1.0 are strongly advised not to upgrade ALSA, or to upgrade to Rosegarden 1.2.3 at the same time (which has a workaround). Chris From mista.tapas at gmx.net Tue Apr 18 06:19:45 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Tue Apr 18 06:19:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060418121945.608189a4@mango.fruits> On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:04:41 -0700 "Mark Knecht" wrote: > Hi, > This thread is happening on the Linux Kernel Mailing List. Since > I'm not a programmer I don't understand the full ramifications. Can > someone here tell me would this render the realtime-lsm module > unusable and if so what would I have to do to get realtime operation > without realtime-lsm? > > Thanks, > Mark > That would soooo suck, as my favourite distro is debian and the feature wishlist item for rtlimits enabled PAM is already several months old. I suppose they'll probably take another year to apply the goddamn patch to libpam. Maybe it is time to switch distros. Do [K]Ubuntu have this already? Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From mista.tapas at gmx.net Tue Apr 18 06:22:10 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Tue Apr 18 06:22:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 + X86_64 + RT16 = no boot In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604170344w5d1f9efp1fd53ba5d011c87f@mail.gmail.com> References: <158277e20604150809r51574efdg97cdca69d1be4c30@mail.gmail.com> <20060416092413.GB15866@replic.net> <1145250826.15151.21.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604170344w5d1f9efp1fd53ba5d011c87f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060418122210.00709873@mango.fruits> On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 03:44:39 -0700 "Mark Knecht" wrote: > I'm writing back on my AMD_64 here. It's certainly stable and > doesn't crash. I can forward a 2.6.15-rt18 .config file to someone. > (Carmen? email address please. Florian? Drop me a note if you want a > copy.) I'm not on a 64 bit machine. I only wanted to vote++ that the reporter of the crashes reports them to lkml [cc: ingo]. As Lee said: Bugs don't get fixed by magic or telepathy ;) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From stuff at trackingsolutions.ca Tue Apr 18 06:31:50 2006 From: stuff at trackingsolutions.ca (stuff@trackingsolutions.ca) Date: Tue Apr 18 06:32:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] exporting audio in rosegarden? In-Reply-To: <20060418122210.00709873@mango.fruits> References: <158277e20604150809r51574efdg97cdca69d1be4c30@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0604170344w5d1f9efp1fd53ba5d011c87f@mail.gmail.com> <20060418122210.00709873@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <200604180431.50852.stuff@trackingsolutions.ca> I am re-posting this message from the rosegarden list in hopes that someone here can help. I am trying to export audio from rosegarden what is the best way to export my audio? Also is it best to export as audio or is there a better way to post process a composition in ardour or something? Thanks From carotinobg at yahoo.it Tue Apr 18 06:52:15 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Tue Apr 18 06:50:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] exporting audio in rosegarden? In-Reply-To: <200604180431.50852.stuff@trackingsolutions.ca> References: <158277e20604150809r51574efdg97cdca69d1be4c30@mail.gmail.com> <20060418122210.00709873@mango.fruits> <200604180431.50852.stuff@trackingsolutions.ca> Message-ID: <200604181252.15719.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 12:31, marted? 18 aprile 2006, stuff@trackingsolutions.ca ha scritto: > I am re-posting this message from the rosegarden list in hopes that someone > here can help. > > I am trying to export audio from rosegarden what is the best way to export > my audio? I don't know how it's called in English, but I usally click on the "Manage your audio segment's files" and export them to a file, which I later reimport in Ardour. I do it this way because my system is pretty limited RAM- and CPU-wise, so this prevent me from using too many apps doing different things. > Also is it best to export as audio or is there a better way to post process > a composition in ardour or something? The output through JACK and the exported audio file being the same, you can export the files as I said before or also record in Ardour selecting as source the audio-out of Rosegarden. Or, you can play the external synths and samplers from Rosegarden, used just as a midi sequencer, and record them in Ardour, which I think it's the common way. If I have to do strange things to a track, I edit it in Audacity, but for mixing and applying the effects, I believe it is better to use Ardour. Byez! Carotinho ___________________________________ Bolletta salata? Passa a Yahoo! Messenger with Voice http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue Apr 18 06:39:48 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Apr 18 07:29:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <20060418121945.608189a4@mango.fruits> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <20060418121945.608189a4@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <20060418103948.GA3194@localhost.localdomain> Florian Schmidt escribe: > Maybe it is time to switch distros. Do [K]Ubuntu have this already? There's Ubuntu Studio, but given that info there also applies to Debian, why switch? Extensively, "if using Debian, why switch?" :) Cordially, Ismael -- They carry Quality products as your stores down the block http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060418/b9adaab8/attachment.bin From fbar at footils.org Tue Apr 18 07:56:13 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Apr 18 07:56:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <20060418121945.608189a4@mango.fruits> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <20060418121945.608189a4@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <20060418115613.GG11909@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Florian Schmidt hat gesagt: // Florian Schmidt wrote: > That would soooo suck, as my favourite distro is debian and the feature > wishlist item for rtlimits enabled PAM is already several months old. I > suppose they'll probably take another year to apply the goddamn patch to > libpam. You can rebuild the libpam modules package from Ubuntustudio, patch the Debian sources with the patch from US, try to install it directly, or build the newest pam yourself, which already includes the rlimits module. There's lots of choice and no need to change distributions just because of one package. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr Tue Apr 18 08:05:11 2006 From: adrien.daniel at etumel.univmed.fr (Adrien DANIEL) Date: Tue Apr 18 08:05:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Java and native MIDI ports In-Reply-To: <20060414190720.GC8394@mobilat> References: <20060414170940.ivsfveb9hpc084cc@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> <20060414190720.GC8394@mobilat> Message-ID: <20060418140511.6wz3ek5id5vok4o4@etumel.univ-mrs.fr> torbenh@gmx.de wrote : > the virmidi device acts as a bridge between alsa-seq midi ports and > raw-midi ports. These are two different flavours. > > You need to connect your app to the virmidi RAW ports, > then connect the virmidi SEQ ports via aconnect or qjackctl or whatever > > although using aconnect seems easy if java has something like the > system(3) call. It is working ! Thank you very much ! So, what I did : - I loaded snd-seq-virmidi ; - idem for snd-virmidi ; - In my app : now I can see virmidi RAW ports ; - I connect natives apps to virmidi SEQ ports (in qjackctl, for example) ; - In my app : I connect virmidi RAW ports as I want (via Transmitters and Receivers of all my ports) ; - Everything works ! Thank you again ! :) Cheers, AD From lists at tim.euro1net.com Tue Apr 18 09:18:46 2006 From: lists at tim.euro1net.com (Tim Orford) Date: Tue Apr 18 09:18:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freecycle ebuild In-Reply-To: <20060418001238.GA18485@replic.net> References: <200604111441.29893.viceic@net2000.ch> <20060418001238.GA18485@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060418131846.GE4872@sofa> On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 12:12:38AM +0000, carmen wrote: > and yeah, if theres an ebuild, post about it. since a lot > of us gave up compiling long ago (im pretty sure i saw a > good dozen people over the past year ask if freecycle compiles in #lad) copied from another thread: ... the "pro audio production applications portage overlay " at http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-427211.html direct link: http://svnweb.tuxfamily.org/dl.php?repname=proaudio+%28ckpp%29&path=%2Fsys-libs%2Fpam%2F&rev=0&isdir=1 Good to see the author of these ebuilds is on the list. Frieder, many thanks for your outstanding work on this - these ebuilds are just so, so useful for Gentoo users!! If any Gentoo users are not already aware of this overlay, I recomend you check it out. regards -- Tim Orford From b0ef at esben-stien.name Tue Apr 18 12:31:27 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Tue Apr 18 10:33:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Audio SIP Conference Room! In-Reply-To: <2190503.13271145337484079.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> (Lee A. Azzarello's message of "Tue, 18 Apr 2006 01:18:04 -0400 (EDT)") References: <2190503.13271145337484079.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> Message-ID: <87hd4q6e1s.fsf@esben-stien.name> "Lee A. Azzarello" writes: > I'll turn it off Nice;). > Perhaps we can make a LAU playlist for the hold music? I've thought about it, but there must be a way to turn it off. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From clemens at ladisch.de Tue Apr 18 10:41:27 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue Apr 18 10:41:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] SysExxer and Clavia Nord Stage In-Reply-To: <4443D33A.6060408@herhoffer.net> References: <4443D33A.6060408@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <20060418144127.GA8120@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Markus Herhoffer wrote: > I want to send a sysex dump to my Clavia Nord Stage, but I get some > strange messages: First "Data successfully sent", then "Some error > occured while writing to ". The Nord Stage hasn't received anything. Does it work if you send the file directly with amidi? Regards, Clemens From b0ef at esben-stien.name Tue Apr 18 12:41:13 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Tue Apr 18 10:43:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Audio SIP Conference Room! In-Reply-To: <32357910.12301145250419535.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> (Lee A. Azzarello's message of "Mon, 17 Apr 2006 01:06:59 -0400 (EDT)") References: <32357910.12301145250419535.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> Message-ID: <87bquy6dli.fsf@esben-stien.name> "Lee A. Azzarello" writes: > I configured an Asterisk conference room Maybe it would be nice with a wiki that explained a little about this conference room would be nice. How to get connected and such. The little info we need to put there might be suitable for the Hans Fugal wiki. Seems to be something wrong with the "Telephony/AV Conferencing" link. I'll contact him about it. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From clemens at ladisch.de Tue Apr 18 10:51:44 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue Apr 18 10:51:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa client numbering In-Reply-To: <200604180953.31188.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> References: <444376E7.2000506@gmail.com> <20060417124614.GA26285@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <200604180953.31188.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> Message-ID: <20060418145144.GA8351@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Chris Cannam wrote: > On Monday 17 Apr 2006 13:46, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > The client numbering scheme was reorganized in ALSA 1.0.11rc1 because > > there were too many unused reserved numbers and not enough free > > numbers for more than eight cards. > > Incidentally this unannounced change broke Rosegarden 1.0. Rosegarden > relies on the client numbers to determine whether a port is system, > hardware or software -- there are significant functional differences > between the types of port, What are those differences? > and I see no other way to find out which type a port is -- if there is > one, I'd dearly like to know. snd_seq_client_info_get_type() Regards, Clemens From hardbop200 at gmail.com Tue Apr 18 10:59:21 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Tue Apr 18 10:59:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] SysEx - which app? Message-ID: The recent conversations on this list couldn't have come at a better time: next week I will take ownership of my new baby, a Roland VK8M. Many of the editing features, such as Leslie speed and chorus/vibrato settings, are hidden, and require that sysex strings be sent to the device via MIDI. I will be needing an app to do this. I read mention that sysexxer (?) is no longer maintained, so which app should I use? In my Windows days, a MIDI sequencer could do this, so I'm guessing that I might could use Rosegarden, but I haven't confirmed this. Any suggestions? -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From clemens at ladisch.de Tue Apr 18 11:10:38 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue Apr 18 11:11:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa client numbering In-Reply-To: <4443B0B9.5040103@gmail.com> References: <444376E7.2000506@gmail.com> <20060417124614.GA26285@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <4443B0B9.5040103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060418151038.GB8351@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Clemens Ladisch wrote: > >>the 449C fails to show up > >Does it show up in /proc/asound/cards? > > Nope. This is under 2.6.15-rt21: > > [atte@aarhus atte]$ cat /proc/asound/cards > 1 [UA1A ]: USB-Audio - EDIROL UA-1A > Roland EDIROL UA-1A at usb-0000:00:03.1-2, full speed > 2 [keyboard ]: USB-Audio - MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard > Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.2-1.2, f > 3 [keyboard_1 ]: USB-Audio - MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard > Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.2-1.3, f > 4 [Keyboard ]: USB-Audio - MK-449C USB MIDI Keyboard > Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-449C USB MIDI Keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.2-1.1, f > > This is with 2.6.16.5-rt14 > > [atte@aarhus atte]$ cat /proc/asound/cards > 1 [UA1A ]: USB-Audio - EDIROL UA-1A > Roland EDIROL UA-1A at usb-0000:00:03.2-1, full speed > 2 [keyboard ]: USB-Audio - MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard > Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.1-2.2, f > 3 [keyboard_1 ]: USB-Audio - MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard > Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.1-2.3, f The USB port numbers to not match. > usb 2-2.2: Product: MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard > usb 2-2.2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice > ... > usb 2-2.1: Product: MK-449C USB MIDI Keyboard > usb 2-2.1: no configuration chosen from 1 choice The kernel did not enable the MK-449C. I don't know why, try asking on the linux-usb-users list. > [drm:radeon_cp_init] *ERROR* radeon_cp_init called without lock held Load the agpgart module and your chipset-specific AGP bridge module before starting X. HTH Clemens From ce at christeck.de Tue Apr 18 11:34:57 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Apr 18 11:34:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] SysEx - which app? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200604181734.58416.ce@christeck.de> > I read mention that sysexxer (?) is no longer maintained, It still should work. I heard rumors that there will be a replacement. > so which app > should I use? ?In my Windows days, a MIDI sequencer could do this, so > I'm guessing that I might could use Rosegarden, but I haven't > confirmed this. ?Any suggestions? At least MusE should be able to record and playback sysex, and I doubt that Rosegarden doesn't. And at least there's amidi on the command line. Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Tue Apr 18 11:54:12 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Apr 18 11:53:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604171621v3dd679y64e03a8328652858@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180120.19723.ce@christeck.de> <5bdc1c8b0604171621v3dd679y64e03a8328652858@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604181754.12691.ce@christeck.de> > > The latest in the Gentoo repository is 0.78-r5. > > Christoph. > > ? ?emerge what? I'm not finding it yet. emerge pam -pv 0.78-r5 is the latest I found on packages.gentoo.org. Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Tue Apr 18 11:56:07 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Apr 18 11:55:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <1145317491.16138.106.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0604171633u3f9367f4te9a75a7ab16bf633@mail.gmail.com> <1145317491.16138.106.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200604181756.07328.ce@christeck.de> > See why I recommend just upgrading to a distro with a quicker release > cycle? I don't know of any other distro than Gentoo if it comes to recent packages and short release cycles. That's one of the main reasons why I use it. Best regards ce From hardbop200 at gmail.com Tue Apr 18 13:01:48 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Tue Apr 18 13:01:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] SysEx - which app? In-Reply-To: <200604181734.58416.ce@christeck.de> References: <200604181734.58416.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: On 4/18/06, Christoph Eckert wrote: > And at least there's amidi on the command line. http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=amidi This appears to be perfect, thank you for the suggestion. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Apr 18 13:13:28 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Apr 18 13:13:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <20060418084428.GC11909@fliwatut.scifi> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de> <1145310030.16138.80.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com> <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> <20060418084428.GC11909@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1145380409.23853.25.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 10:44 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Huh, what kind of advice is that? Advice from someone who has explained this about 500 times and is getting a little sick of it? ;-) Lee From dana at ubuntustudio.com Tue Apr 18 13:24:58 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Tue Apr 18 13:24:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <20060418103948.GA3194@localhost.localdomain> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <20060418121945.608189a4@mango.fruits> <20060418103948.GA3194@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1145381098.22498.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 12:39 +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Florian Schmidt escribe: > > Maybe it is time to switch distros. Do [K]Ubuntu have this already? > > There's Ubuntu Studio, but given that info there also applies to > Debian, why switch? > > Extensively, "if using Debian, why switch?" :) > > Cordially, Ismael Ubuntu Studio is NOT a distro. It's just a wiki of howtos for making Ubuntu into a better system for audio. To answer the actual question, Ubuntu Dapper DOES already have the PAM, glibc, and bash patches. But it's not "released" yet until June. I don't know how many times Lee has said this in the past. Dana -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060418/7dbf345d/attachment.bin From hans at fugal.net Tue Apr 18 13:29:01 2006 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Tue Apr 18 13:29:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Audio SIP Conference Room! In-Reply-To: <87bquy6dli.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <32357910.12301145250419535.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> <87bquy6dli.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <20060418172901.GA26607@falcon.fugal.net> On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 at 18:41 +0200, Esben Stien wrote: > "Lee A. Azzarello" writes: > > > I configured an Asterisk conference room > > Maybe it would be nice with a wiki that explained a little about this > conference room would be nice. How to get connected and such. > > The little info we need to put there might be suitable for the Hans > Fugal wiki. > > Seems to be something wrong with the "Telephony/AV Conferencing" > link. I'll contact him about it. > Looks like a problem with the / (even when escaped). I'll report the bug to the instiki people, but for now make a new page without a / in the name. -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060418/e2d7c60d/attachment.bin From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Apr 18 13:30:16 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Apr 18 13:30:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <20060418084428.GC11909@fliwatut.scifi> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de> <1145310030.16138.80.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com> <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> <20060418084428.GC11909@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1145381417.23853.30.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 10:44 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Huh, what kind of advice is that? Installing the newest libpam or > maybe building set_rtlimits is *much* easier than switching to a > different distribution. Not for the average user who has no idea how to build their own packages and is probably not even comfortable with the command line. The latest version of all the leading distros (Ubuntu and Fedora at least) supports this OOTB - for many users it will be a simple "apt-get dist-upgrade" or "yum upgrade" or whatever. I did not realize when I wrote the above that Gentoo still does not support this - I just assumed it did because the whole point of Gentoo is to live on the bleeding edge ;-) Lee From chris.cannam at ferventsoftware.com Tue Apr 18 13:45:16 2006 From: chris.cannam at ferventsoftware.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Tue Apr 18 13:44:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa client numbering In-Reply-To: <20060418145144.GA8351@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <444376E7.2000506@gmail.com> <200604180953.31188.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> <20060418145144.GA8351@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <200604181845.16390.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> On Tuesday 18 Apr 2006 15:51, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Chris Cannam wrote: > > Rosegarden relies on the client numbers to determine whether a port > > is system, hardware or software -- there are significant functional > > differences between the types of port, > > What are those differences? Well, for example a hardware port of a given name can have any number of MIDI devices attached to it, or none, you can't find out anything about them, and they can change between runs of the program. Whereas a software port with a given name is highly likely to represent a single application, the application's name is available, and it's probably the same one each time. Programs don't usually have to care about distinctions like this, but it's not helpful to users to always treat these types the same. > > and I see no other way to find out which type a port is -- if there > > is one, I'd dearly like to know. > > snd_seq_client_info_get_type() This returns whether a client exists in kernel or user space, which is not the same thing at all. Programs may care about this, but users seldom would. The equivalent function for ports (snd_seq_port_info_get_type) is a similar red herring. Looks useful: isn't. Chris From fbar at footils.org Tue Apr 18 15:11:37 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Apr 18 15:12:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <1145381417.23853.30.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de> <1145310030.16138.80.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com> <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> <20060418084428.GC11909@fliwatut.scifi> <1145381417.23853.30.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060418191136.GG27193@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 10:44 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > Huh, what kind of advice is that? Installing the newest libpam or > > maybe building set_rtlimits is *much* easier than switching to a > > different distribution. > > Not for the average user who has no idea how to build their own packages > and is probably not even comfortable with the command line. The latest > version of all the leading distros (Ubuntu and Fedora at least) supports > this OOTB - for many users it will be a simple "apt-get dist-upgrade" or > "yum upgrade" or whatever. I think, even for the average user it is a huge hassle having to install a totally different distribution, configure all the stuff that is usually configured with a new OS, like mail server, network settings, soundcard volumes, paper format, language, time, install other missing software, configure the other missing software and whatnot, when all that was wrong with the current distribution was a funky new way to get realtime privileges not being available immediately. And I'm not even mentioning, that the average user probably is running kernel 2.6.12. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From ce at christeck.de Tue Apr 18 15:27:08 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Apr 18 15:26:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] SysEx - which app? In-Reply-To: References: <200604181734.58416.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200604182127.08282.ce@christeck.de> > http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=amidi > > This appears to be perfect, thank you for the suggestion. yes it is. The best feature is that it can send arbitrary sysex commands typed manually. Best regards ce From torbenh at gmx.de Tue Apr 18 15:43:40 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Tue Apr 18 15:47:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <20060418084428.GC11909@fliwatut.scifi> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de> <1145310030.16138.80.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com> <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> <20060418084428.GC11909@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060418194340.GA8214@mobilat> On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 10:44:28AM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 14:56 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > I know nothing about set_rtlimits and wouldn't know how to use it. > > > > > > Where can I find a good walk through on doing that instead of using > > > realtime-lsm like I am today? > > > > What distro are you using? It's easiest to just upgrade to one that > > supports it. > > Huh, what kind of advice is that? Installing the newest libpam or > maybe building set_rtlimits is *much* easier than switching to a > different distribution. well... i just thought i install newest pam over my abuild install, and when that works write an ebuild. then after mucking around with init=/bin/bash a while because login did not recognize anybody, i just remeerged my old 0.78 and i am happy with rt-lsm again. perhaps my glibc is too old or something, but upgrading pam is a vital and dangerous thing... -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Apr 18 16:42:59 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Apr 18 16:43:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <20060418191136.GG27193@fliwatut.scifi> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de> <1145310030.16138.80.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com> <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> <20060418084428.GC11909@fliwatut.scifi> <1145381417.23853.30.camel@mindpipe> <20060418191136.GG27193@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1145392980.23853.57.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 21:11 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > I think, even for the average user it is a huge hassle having to > install a totally different distribution, configure all the stuff that > is usually configured with a new OS, like mail server, network > settings, soundcard volumes, paper format, language, time, install > other missing software, configure the other missing software and > whatnot, when all that was wrong with the current distribution was a > funky new way to get realtime privileges not being available > immediately. > It was just a suggestion. Many users distro-hop frequently these days anyway to get support for all their hardware so I thought this would be easier for some than figuring out how to patch two critical packages (PAM and glibc) with TONS of dependencies. And I think it's kind of silly that this problem was solved a year and a half ago and there distros that have yet to get with the program ;-) Lee From vla at gmx.at Tue Apr 18 16:44:43 2006 From: vla at gmx.at (vlad) Date: Tue Apr 18 16:44:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <20060418194738.8FA8D113D8BA@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060418194738.8FA8D113D8BA@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060418204442.GA30392@morphius> hi all, i don't get it! in which ubuntu package (dapper or breezy) are the rtlimits-pam-modules? they are not in the libpam-modules package. i'm using ubuntu breezy with a self-compiled kernel (2.6.14-ck9) with realtime-lsm. BTW, why is the realtime-lsm method deprecated? i think it is safe. PAM is quite delicate (that's why i don't want to build it myself). vlad From atte.jensen at gmail.com Tue Apr 18 17:22:38 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue Apr 18 17:22:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa client numbering In-Reply-To: <20060418151038.GB8351@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <444376E7.2000506@gmail.com> <20060417124614.GA26285@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <4443B0B9.5040103@gmail.com> <20060418151038.GB8351@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4445589E.6060205@gmail.com> Clemens Ladisch wrote: > The USB port numbers to not match. I'm not sure, but this might simply be me switching the soundcard cable with the hub connected to the usb keys. Sorry about that... > The kernel did not enable the MK-449C. > I don't know why, try asking on the linux-usb-users list. Well spotted! I might ask on the linux-usb-users. > >>[drm:radeon_cp_init] *ERROR* radeon_cp_init called without lock held > > > Load the agpgart module and your chipset-specific AGP bridge module > before starting X. Hmm. Need to look into that. Thanks for taking the time to answer this! -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps From fbar at footils.org Tue Apr 18 17:58:59 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Apr 18 17:59:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <1145392980.23853.57.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de> <1145310030.16138.80.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com> <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> <20060418084428.GC11909@fliwatut.scifi> <1145381417.23853.30.camel@mindpipe> <20060418191136.GG27193@fliwatut.scifi> <1145392980.23853.57.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060418215858.GH27193@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > It was just a suggestion. Many users distro-hop frequently these days > anyway to get support for all their hardware so I thought this would be > easier for some than figuring out how to patch two critical packages > (PAM and glibc) with TONS of dependencies. Maybe I'm just oldskool: I installed my main Debian machine several years ago (I guess 7 or 8) and never reinstalled it, I only did upgrades. > And I think it's kind of silly that this problem was solved a year and a > half ago and there distros that have yet to get with the program ;-) Yes, that's true. But while relatime-lsm may be deprecated, it still is supported in 2.6.16 and so the pressure on distros isn't that high. OTOH even the official PAM only recently (0.80?) included the rlimits module. Btw: I just built and installed the latest Debian testing libpam-modules sources (0.79-3) after applying the patch from ubuntustudio. There was a harmless reject when patching which only affected the README. During short testing (logging out and in, starting jackd -R) it looks like it works okay. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From dana at ubuntustudio.com Tue Apr 18 18:33:36 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Tue Apr 18 18:33:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <20060418204442.GA30392@morphius> References: <20060418194738.8FA8D113D8BA@music.columbia.edu> <20060418204442.GA30392@morphius> Message-ID: <1145399616.22498.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 22:44 +0200, vlad wrote: > hi all, > > i don't get it! in which ubuntu package (dapper or breezy) are the rtlimits-pam-modules? > they are not in the libpam-modules package. dana@polly:~$ dpkg -L libpam-modules | grep limits /etc/security/limits.conf /lib/security/pam_limits.so > i'm using ubuntu breezy with a self-compiled kernel (2.6.14-ck9) with > realtime-lsm. > BTW, why is the realtime-lsm method deprecated? i think it is > safe. PAM is quite delicate (that's why i don't want to build it myself). It doesn't matter what you want or what you think, it's deprecated. You can continue using it until your distro drops it if you want. It makes no difference. Since you are on Ubuntu, when you upgrade to Dapper, you do NOT need realtime-lsm anymore. In the meantime, on debian and Ubuntu Breezy, PAM is not "delicate" - in fact is it very simple to patch PAM for rlimits support. Dana From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Apr 18 19:02:42 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Apr 18 19:02:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <1145399616.22498.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060418194738.8FA8D113D8BA@music.columbia.edu> <20060418204442.GA30392@morphius> <1145399616.22498.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1145401363.23853.63.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 18:33 -0400, Dana Olson wrote: > In the meantime, on debian and Ubuntu Breezy, PAM is not "delicate" - > in fact is it very simple to patch PAM for rlimits support. Is it possible on Breezy (or other Debian dists) to install the PAM package from Dapper? Lee From dana at ubuntustudio.com Tue Apr 18 19:09:19 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Tue Apr 18 19:08:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <1145401363.23853.63.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060418194738.8FA8D113D8BA@music.columbia.edu> <20060418204442.GA30392@morphius> <1145399616.22498.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145401363.23853.63.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1145401759.800.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 19:02 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 18:33 -0400, Dana Olson wrote: > > In the meantime, on debian and Ubuntu Breezy, PAM is not "delicate" - > > in fact is it very simple to patch PAM for rlimits support. > > Is it possible on Breezy (or other Debian dists) to install the PAM > package from Dapper? > > Lee That's a good question. I wouldn't try it, as I think it's safer to rebuild the version shipped with your distro. I did put up a .deb package for Breezy on my wiki, but it could be out of date now, I don't know. I've been running Dapper for months to help out with packaging. Dana -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060418/fd3d6aa0/attachment.bin From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Tue Apr 18 20:00:12 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Tue Apr 18 20:00:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: FC5 + X86_64 + RT16 = no boot In-Reply-To: References: <158277e20604150809r51574efdg97cdca69d1be4c30@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0604170344w5d1f9efp1fd53ba5d011c87f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604190100.12771.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 18 April 2006 02:54, Loki Davison was like: > > ? ?One note: Based on a comment Lee Revel made a few days ago, I think > > on this list, about the standard kernel giving good realtime results I > > built 2.6.16-gentoo-r2 on Saturday. It's now up two days with no > > problems. I'm running at 128/2, and even 64/2 as shown below) in Jack > > with no xruns so far although I've got a cold and am using it very > > lightly right now. Anyway, I agree with Lee (so far!) that even the > > current 2.6.16 series is giving much better performance than older > > kernels even without Ingo's patches. IF it matters I use the > > realtime-lsm module and not the othe PAM based stuff. I just bit the bullet and decided to have a go at rolling my own kernel for the first time, following the DeMuDi HOWTO http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/Low-latencyKernelBuildingHowto and a certain amount of advice from Antonio and well, 5 builds later I seem to have a working kernel! I?m using the patched libpam modules from Ubuntu (heh ;) with 2.6.16.5 so far so good. Ardour-0.99 seems happy, with a really low dsp. Certainly as good as I?ve had with earlier -rt patched kernel packages from DeMuDi. I?m wondering whether setting negative nice values in /etc/security/limits.conf is necessary or even a good idea. I shall have to play around and fine-tune things a bit yet. Now I have started I may as well build an -rt patched version to test the difference. Does it conflict with PAM rtlimits? -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Tue Apr 18 20:09:57 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Tue Apr 18 20:10:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604190109.58371.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Monday 17 April 2006 22:04, Mark Knecht was like: > ?This thread is happening on the Linux Kernel Mailing List. Since > I'm not a programmer I don't understand the full ramifications. Can > someone here tell me would this render the realtime-lsm module > unusable and if so what would I have to do to get realtime operation > without realtime-lsm? I?m no programmer either, but I do know that realtime-lsm is already deprecated. Subject to further testing, I think using rtlimits via PAM is probably going to be the way to go. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Tue Apr 18 20:21:15 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Tue Apr 18 20:21:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <20060418084428.GC11909@fliwatut.scifi> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> <20060418084428.GC11909@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <200604190121.16290.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 18 April 2006 09:44, Frank Barknecht was like: > Hallo, > > Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 14:56 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > I know nothing about set_rtlimits and wouldn't know how to use it. > > > > > > Where can I find a good walk through on doing that instead of using > > > realtime-lsm like I am today? > > > > What distro are you using? It's easiest to just upgrade to one that > > supports it. > > Huh, what kind of advice is that? Installing the newest libpam or > maybe building set_rtlimits is *much* easier than switching to a > different distribution. I have to second that. I just installed the patched libpam-modules. Slight no-brainer, except I forgot to put them on hold and promptly overwrote the package. :/ Sorted now. :) Probably would be worth patching up a more up-to date version. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Tue Apr 18 20:27:23 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Tue Apr 18 20:27:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200604190127.24313.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 18 April 2006 00:13, Lee Revell was like: > No, that version is a year and a half old. ?The latest is 0.99. ?See > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/pre/library/ The watershed is >=0.80 Some distros are still as far behind as 0.76 ;p -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Tue Apr 18 20:39:08 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Tue Apr 18 20:39:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <1145401759.800.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060418194738.8FA8D113D8BA@music.columbia.edu> <1145401363.23853.63.camel@mindpipe> <1145401759.800.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200604190139.08918.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 19 April 2006 00:09, Dana Olson was like: > On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 19:02 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 18:33 -0400, Dana Olson wrote: > > > In the meantime, on debian and Ubuntu Breezy, PAM is not "delicate" - > > > in fact is it very simple to patch PAM for rlimits support. > > > > Is it possible on Breezy (or other Debian dists) to install the PAM > > package from Dapper? > > > > Lee > > That's a good question. I wouldn't try it, as I think it's safer to > rebuild the version shipped with your distro. I did put up a .deb > package for Breezy on my wiki, but it could be out of date now, I don't > know. I've been running Dapper for months to help out with packaging. Well. I just installed the Breezy version on my DeMuDi/etch system. It works, whether I am putting myself in huge security jeopardy by doing this, I don?t know. I be happy to test out the Dapper version so long as I don?t need to replace glibc too. Can you give me a link to an appropriate .deb? -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Apr 18 21:40:44 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Apr 18 21:40:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <20060418084428.GC11909@fliwatut.scifi> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de> <1145310030.16138.80.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com> <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> <20060418084428.GC11909@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604181840k1409f581yc9114c0aedda575a@mail.gmail.com> On 4/18/06, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 14:56 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > I know nothing about set_rtlimits and wouldn't know how to use it. > > > > > > Where can I find a good walk through on doing that instead of using > > > realtime-lsm like I am today? > > > > What distro are you using? It's easiest to just upgrade to one that > > supports it. > > Huh, what kind of advice is that? Installing the newest libpam or > maybe building set_rtlimits is *much* easier than switching to a > different distribution. > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > Hi Frank, Even easier is doing absolutely nothing at all! Currently the 2.6.16 kernels I use work with realtime-lsm. My intermediate solution will be to do no new kernel updates after the kernel developers make this change (assuming they do...) until the Gentoo devs eventually do the pam update. It's not in my future to mess with stuff like this by hand... I watched (and listened to music) as Dave Philips successfully lived on making music on an older RH 8 or RH 9/ 2.2.X-type kernel for a couple of years while we all marched along messing with so many new kernels I've now forgotten. Why bother? Moving to a new distro to solve a problem like this is so not me. Probably the only thing less likely is me going back to Windows and Pro Tools, and I'm not sure that's so far behind! ;-) Thanks to everyone who responded. Cheers, Mark From listreader at lupulin.net Tue Apr 18 21:43:15 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Tue Apr 18 21:44:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <200604190139.08918.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060418194738.8FA8D113D8BA@music.columbia.edu> <1145401363.23853.63.camel@mindpipe> <1145401759.800.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200604190139.08918.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060419014315.GB5033@seraph.office.techtarget.com> I'm posting this just as a perspective ... I would rather use *BSD. for 2 reasons: reason 1: (not really relevant here) I like unix at its roots, it just makes me feel good. reason 2: (totally effin relevant) The BSDs don't have this fractured user base. Sure you can switch between Net* Open* and Free* (Dragon* too), but you do that for big reasons *UP-FRONT*. Its frustrating how fractured linux has become. (But, maybe it always was.) Switching distros *IS* a solution. Switching distros *IS* a solution that should only happen *ONCE* because your switching from a bad distro. unix/linux is beautiful (in one sense, not all) because it lasts. You can come back to a system that been sitting in a closet (or sitting at a colo, doing its job) *YEARS* later, and there it is. The computer. Working. Working well. That's really nice. I use linux because of ALSA, period. We need to realize that an audio workstation is not a "server". It is obvious that realtime takes precedence over security in "audio land". (I don't mean that in a bad way at all.) BUT, linux is still a server OS too. Its kind of everything. uhmm, i don't remember what my point was, but i wrote too much to delete it.... -- paul w From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Tue Apr 18 23:28:33 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Tue Apr 18 23:28:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <20060419014315.GB5033@seraph.office.techtarget.com> References: <20060418194738.8FA8D113D8BA@music.columbia.edu> <1145401363.23853.63.camel@mindpipe> <1145401759.800.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200604190139.08918.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <20060419014315.GB5033@seraph.office.techtarget.com> Message-ID: <20060419132833.4cf4c1d3.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> paul wisehart wrote: > Its frustrating how fractured linux has become. > (But, maybe it always was.) > Switching distros *IS* a solution. > Switching distros *IS* a solution that should only > happen *ONCE* because your switching from a bad distro. Yep, I switched from some RPM based distro to Debian about 5 years ago. I now use both Debian and Ubuntu which are so similar its not really valid to treat them as separate distros. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Journalist: Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has finally said Linux is the No. 1 threat to Windows. What's your response to that? Linus : "Tag, you're it." I don't care. They've had a lot of enemies in their time. Let them fight one enemy that doesn't care for a change. From wsynth at gjcp.net Wed Apr 19 02:55:27 2006 From: wsynth at gjcp.net (Gordonjcp) Date: Wed Apr 19 02:58:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi programming question regarding channels In-Reply-To: <4442AA04.8050002@sbcglobal.net> References: <20060416165739.GA5125@seraph.Belkin> <4442AA04.8050002@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4445DEDF.20507@gjcp.net> Brian Dunn wrote: > of the notes, i.e. guitar. pitch bend midi events apply to all the > notes in a channel, so if you want to bend just one whilst a chord plays > you'll need more than one "guitar" channel. make sense? Or use poly aftertouch. Gordon. From vla at gmx.at Wed Apr 19 06:56:39 2006 From: vla at gmx.at (vlad) Date: Wed Apr 19 06:56:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <20060419000034.C8C5B1145B97@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060419000034.C8C5B1145B97@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060419105639.GA22061@morphius> > On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 22:44 +0200, vlad wrote: > > hi all, > > > > i don't get it! in which ubuntu package (dapper or breezy) are the rtlimits-pam-modules? > > they are not in the libpam-modules package. > > dana@polly:~$ dpkg -L libpam-modules | grep limits > /etc/security/limits.conf > /lib/security/pam_limits.so > > > > i'm using ubuntu breezy with a self-compiled kernel (2.6.14-ck9) with > > realtime-lsm. > > BTW, why is the realtime-lsm method deprecated? i think it is > > safe. PAM is quite delicate (that's why i don't want to build it myself). > > It doesn't matter what you want or what you think, it's deprecated. You > can continue using it until your distro drops it if you want. It makes > no difference. > > Since you are on Ubuntu, when you upgrade to Dapper, you do NOT need > realtime-lsm anymore. > > In the meantime, on debian and Ubuntu Breezy, PAM is not "delicate" - in > fact is it very simple to patch PAM for rlimits support. > > Dana > hello, i was confused: i thought _rt_limits (realtime-limits and not resources-limits) is an additional pam-module which is NOT included in the ubuntu libpam-modules package. since pam is the standard in every newer distribution (also breezy and debian sarge) it is (of course) easier to edit /etc/security/limits.conf then to compile the realtime-lsm. (as i understand the ubuntustudio-rlimits-patch only adds the "@audio" entries.) i did not know that it also works. thank you, vlad From vla at gmx.at Wed Apr 19 07:27:03 2006 From: vla at gmx.at (vlad) Date: Wed Apr 19 07:27:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <20060419105656.8617A11581CB@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060419105656.8617A11581CB@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060419112703.GA1832@morphius> > I'm posting this just as a perspective ... > > I would rather use *BSD. > > for 2 reasons: > reason 1: (not really relevant here) > I like unix at its roots, it just makes me feel good. > > reason 2: (totally effin relevant) > The BSDs don't have this fractured user base. > Sure you can switch between Net* Open* and Free* (Dragon* too), > but you do that for big reasons *UP-FRONT*. > > Its frustrating how fractured linux has become. > (But, maybe it always was.) > Switching distros *IS* a solution. > Switching distros *IS* a solution that should only > happen *ONCE* because your switching from a bad distro. > > unix/linux is beautiful (in one sense, not all) because it lasts. > You can come back to a system that been sitting in a closet > (or sitting at a colo, doing its job) *YEARS* later, and > there it is. The computer. Working. Working well. > That's really nice. > > I use linux because of ALSA, period. > > We need to realize that an audio workstation is not a "server". > It is obvious that realtime takes precedence over security in > "audio land". (I don't mean that in a bad way at all.) > > BUT, linux is still a server OS too. Its kind of everything. > > uhmm, i don't remember what my point was, but i wrote too much > to delete it.... > > -- > paul w hello, i don't think this should be a discussion about changing the dists!!! moving to another distribution should be the last thing to do! and for better reasons then only a package that is newer or "better" or "easier" to handle. this is nonsense! btw, the libpam-modules package w/ rlimits is also in DeMuDi (from "http://demudi.agnula.org/images/1.2.1/README.PACKAGES": libpam-modules 0.76-22) and debian sarge and the current ubuntu (both also version 0.76-22). vlad From fbar at footils.org Wed Apr 19 08:30:13 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Apr 19 08:30:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <20060419105639.GA22061@morphius> References: <20060419000034.C8C5B1145B97@music.columbia.edu> <20060419105639.GA22061@morphius> Message-ID: <20060419123013.GA11640@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, vlad hat gesagt: // vlad wrote: > i was confused: i thought _rt_limits (realtime-limits and not resources-limits) is an > additional pam-module which is NOT included in the ubuntu libpam-modules package. > since pam is the standard in every newer distribution (also breezy and debian sarge) > it is (of course) easier to edit /etc/security/limits.conf then to compile the realtime-lsm. > (as i understand the ubuntustudio-rlimits-patch only adds the "@audio" entries.) No, you're still confused. ;) The patch discussed here not only adds entries to limits.conf, it also adds the functionality required by these entries. There is no official package for Debian testing/unstable that has this support. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Wed Apr 19 08:38:51 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Wed Apr 19 08:38:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: Bristol 0.9.4 In-Reply-To: <20060419105639.GA22061@morphius> Message-ID: The bristol synthesiser emulation software 0.9.4 has been uploaded to sourceforge. It includes the finalised Oberheims, a Rhodes Bass piano. The Korg MonoPoly has been added but is work in progress. The filters were rewritten and many of the waveform generation algorithms. Contributions mean it should now compile on 64bit systems. The audio interface now includes native Jack support, but this is the first release with this code and your millage may vary. The engine will register for one input port and two output ports. The engine may have to run as root at the moment until more realtime support is put into the code. Initial feedback from beta testing was mixed, so the standard disclaimer applies - "it works on my system". Feedback on the jack interface directly if possible: mailto:nickycopeland@hotmail.com http://sourceforge.net/projects/bristol _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Apr 19 08:59:08 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Apr 19 08:59:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <20060419112703.GA1832@morphius> References: <20060419105656.8617A11581CB@music.columbia.edu> <20060419112703.GA1832@morphius> Message-ID: <200604191359.08610.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 19 April 2006 12:27, vlad was like: > btw, the libpam-modules package w/ rlimits is also in DeMuDi > (from "http://demudi.agnula.org/images/1.2.1/README.PACKAGES": > libpam-modules ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 0.76-22) > and debian sarge and the current ubuntu (both also version 0.76-22). Only the Ubuntu version is patched to support rtlimits. The versions in Debian are vanilla. Do not assume things based on version numbers alone. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From dsbaikov at gmail.com Wed Apr 19 09:39:01 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Wed Apr 19 09:39:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] First trip to Europe Message-ID: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> Hello, all! Me and my girlfriend are planning a trip to Europe for a month between May and June. It will be our first trip abroad, so please help if you can with a good advice. Since it's not so easy to get out of here (russia), and I can't visit all that great & numerous openlab's etc., one of the main goals is "community building": I'd like to meet (at least some of ) you, LADs/LAUs, in person. Current plan is (yes, it's huge): Moscow St.Petersurg -- Helsinki Stockholm Berlin Koeln Brussels London Paris Bourdeaux Madrid Barcelona,Figeras Genova Milan? Rome Venice Vienna Prague -- Moscow There are two main questions (lonelyplanet.com helps a bit, but residents can say much more): 1) what is the cheapest way to travel inside europe? Bus? Airplane? If it's by air, how can we buy cheapest tickets? Which company? How much days before the flight? etc. Or may be hitchhiking? 2) how hard is to find cheap place to sleep? AND Where can we meet YOU? Sorry, we don't know exact dates as we are researching on european visa (trip begins from Helsinki, since it seems the easiest way to get into europe). Sincerely, Dmitry. From perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com Wed Apr 19 10:03:36 2006 From: perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com (perlanegra proyect) Date: Wed Apr 19 10:03:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] back with some electrojazz... Message-ID: <311b5a1a0604190703h742fde1fsf9843ff7d9fe8d56@mail.gmail.com> Hi everybody... these days I've been playing with my little groovebox and I've performed the terrible soundcheck of some weeks ago... this one has been done with some more time, so it's a bit different from the other... (this one hasn't got that terrible hiss) it's still a single groovebox, but u can perform it, be free to use/sample/destroy it. 4 those electribe sound lovers, enjoy it... the link: http://www.archive.org/details/Pure_Groovebox_Series_EP (any kind of comment is good) -- ... visit always http://perlssdj.blogspot.com 4 cool stuff !!... From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Wed Apr 19 10:15:58 2006 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Wed Apr 19 10:16:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: Bristol 0.9.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4446461E.7090105@sympatico.ca> Nick Copeland wrote: > The bristol synthesiser emulation software 0.9.4 has been uploaded to > sourceforge. > > It includes the finalised Oberheims, a Rhodes Bass piano. The Korg > MonoPoly has been added but is work in progress. The filters were > rewritten and many of the waveform generation algorithms. > Contributions mean it should now compile on 64bit systems. > > The audio interface now includes native Jack support, but this is the > first release with this code and your millage may vary. The engine > will register for one input port and two output ports. The engine may > have to run as root at the moment until more realtime support is put > into the code. Initial feedback from beta testing was mixed, so the > standard disclaimer applies - "it works on my system". > > Feedback on the jack interface directly if possible: > mailto:nickycopeland@hotmail.com > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/bristol > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's > FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > Nice release! Thank you very much, I'm glad to see that this project is still alive. I was trying to use it with jack but couldn't make it. I passed the flags -audio jack and -jack and it kept connecting through alsa directly (or oss?). What could be wrong? Thanks! Hector. From illth at gmx.de Wed Apr 19 10:22:21 2006 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Wed Apr 19 10:22:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] First trip to Europe In-Reply-To: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> References: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4446479D.8030904@gmx.de> Dmitry Baikov schrieb: > Hello, all! > > Me and my girlfriend are planning a trip to Europe for a month between > May and June. > It will be our first trip abroad, so please help if you can with a good advice. > Since it's not so easy to get out of here (russia), and I can't visit > all that great & numerous openlab's etc., one of the main goals is > "community building": > I'd like to meet (at least some of ) you, LADs/LAUs, in person. > > Current plan is (yes, it's huge): > Moscow > St.Petersurg > -- > Helsinki > Stockholm > Berlin > Koeln > Brussels > London > Paris > Bourdeaux > Madrid > Barcelona,Figeras > Genova > Milan? > Rome > Venice > Vienna > Prague > -- > Moscow > > There are two main questions > (lonelyplanet.com helps a bit, but residents can say much more): > > 1) what is the cheapest way to travel inside europe? > Bus? Airplane? If it's by air, how can we buy cheapest tickets? Which > company? How much days before the flight? etc. Or may be hitchhiking? > train is expensive, at least here in germany. by air may be much cheaper, if you use one of those "cheap-airlines" rainair, germanwings, dba, .... you might have a look at: www.germanwings.de www.fly-dba.de unfortunately this sites are in german if you need to book a line flight (sorry, do not know how to translate this) at one of the major airlines (ie. Lufthansa), this could also be expensive. the problem with the cheap airlines is to get the tickets just for the date where you want to fly. the cheap tickets might be sold out for that day, and either you would need to pay an expensive airline, or an expensive ticket for the cheapo-airline. i don't know anything about travelling by bus. i have heared it should be cheaper than going by train. the german train company (www.bahn.de, sorry, also in german) sells tickets that are called "interrail". the global ticket last for one month and should be valid across europe. but i do not have more information. prices: for the global ticket: 385,- EUR, if you are below the age of 26, else 546,- EUR > 2) how hard is to find cheap place to sleep? > > AND > > Where can we meet YOU? > > Sorry, we don't know exact dates as we are researching on european > visa (trip begins from Helsinki, since it seems the easiest way to get > into europe). > > > Sincerely, > Dmitry. > From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Wed Apr 19 10:27:47 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Wed Apr 19 10:27:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: Bristol 0.9.4 In-Reply-To: <4446461E.7090105@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Bristol does a rather lightweight check for the presence of Jack - I did say it was the first release. Version 0.9.4-1 wants the header files in /usr/local/include/jack, the default location, and if they are not found there then compilation takes place without jack support. This will change in a present upload, using jack.pc instead to find the true location. You can 'resolve' this by doing the following: # mkdir /usr/local/include/jack # cd /src # ./build clean # ./build When the directory is there the compilation will continue, and I assume that the header files will be present in some other more defualt location (such as /usr/include?). This may also fail if you have installed the Jack header files in some other location completely - you can hack the build scripts or send me an email, or wait for the present 0.9.4-X that will be uploaded soon. Regards, Nick. >From: Hector Centeno-Garcia >Reply-To: A list for linux audio users > >To: A list for linux audio users >Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] ANN: Bristol 0.9.4 >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:15:58 -0400 > >Nick Copeland wrote: > >>The bristol synthesiser emulation software 0.9.4 has been uploaded to >>sourceforge. >> >>It includes the finalised Oberheims, a Rhodes Bass piano. The Korg >>MonoPoly has been added but is work in progress. The filters were >>rewritten and many of the waveform generation algorithms. Contributions >>mean it should now compile on 64bit systems. >> >>The audio interface now includes native Jack support, but this is the >>first release with this code and your millage may vary. The engine will >>register for one input port and two output ports. The engine may have to >>run as root at the moment until more realtime support is put into the >>code. Initial feedback from beta testing was mixed, so the standard >>disclaimer applies - "it works on my system". >> >>Feedback on the jack interface directly if possible: >>mailto:nickycopeland@hotmail.com >> >>http://sourceforge.net/projects/bristol >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! >>http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >> >Nice release! Thank you very much, I'm glad to see that this project is >still alive. I was trying to use it with jack but couldn't make it. I >passed the flags -audio jack and -jack and it kept connecting through alsa >directly (or oss?). What could be wrong? > >Thanks! > > >Hector. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From vla at gmx.at Wed Apr 19 10:55:47 2006 From: vla at gmx.at (vlad) Date: Wed Apr 19 10:55:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <20060419142244.21E4C115E959@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060419142244.21E4C115E959@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060419145547.GA15704@morphius> > On Wednesday 19 April 2006 12:27, vlad was like: > > btw, the libpam-modules package w/ rlimits is also in DeMuDi > > (from "http://demudi.agnula.org/images/1.2.1/README.PACKAGES": > > libpam-modules ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 0.76-22) > > and debian sarge and the current ubuntu (both also version 0.76-22). > > Only the Ubuntu version is patched to support rtlimits. The versions in Debian also the breezy version? > are vanilla. Do not assume things based on version numbers alone. > but how can i recognize, whether the pam-modules support rtlimits or not? i guess, i am now totally confused?!? vlad From rpa at mochiron.org Wed Apr 19 11:24:08 2006 From: rpa at mochiron.org (Rossen Apostolov) Date: Wed Apr 19 11:25:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <20060418103622.70ac6ac0@SiRiUS.home> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171616j6c02d9e1l7444b95de3badaa4@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0604171619q3e0d30cchc34b798fb4b35cb3@mail.gmail.com> <20060418103622.70ac6ac0@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: Thomas Kuther wrote: > On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:41:24 -0500 > "Reuben Martin" wrote: > >> On 4/17/06, Mark Knecht wrote: >>>>> Can you file a Gentoo bug report asking them to fully support >>>>> the RTPRIO rlimit? >>> >>>> First step is for me to research the Gentoo bugzilla and see what >>>> I can find. I'll get back to you with that. >>>> >>> Seems that there has been a report for 8 months with no action >>> taken: >> Yeah, I'm the one who filed it. I don't know why they are dragging >> their feet to use the newer versions. I suspect that it presents >> incompatibilities with other programs somewhere that they are waiting >> to be fixed. >> >>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101766 >>> >>> I guess the issue doesn't seem important enough to them yet, or this >>> description hasn't made it clear enough. >>> >>> - Mark >>> > > There is an overlay that provides gentoo standard PAM + the patch for > RLIMITS usability (beside a lot of nice software not in portage ;)). > > svn co svn://svn.tuxfamily.org/svnroot/ckpp/proaudio > > Might take ages till they include it into main portage, unfortunately. > Gentoo provides realtime-lsm so far, i guess they think that's enough > and easier anyway. > > HTH > tom > this overlay is great! but see what i get: $ eix -e lash * media-libs/lash [3] Available versions: 0.5.0 0.5.1 Installed: none Homepage: http://www.nongnu.org/lash Description: LASH Audio Session Handlern * media-sound/lash Available versions: 0.5.1 Installed: 0.5.1 Homepage: http://www.nongnu.org/lash/ Description: LASH Audio Session Handler [1] /usr/overlays/mine [2] /usr/overlays/chutz [3] /usr/overlays/proaudio why is lash put in media-libs when it's in media-sound in gentoo.org? Rossen From ivalladolidt at terra.es Wed Apr 19 11:28:46 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Wed Apr 19 11:28:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <20060419145547.GA15704@morphius> References: <20060419142244.21E4C115E959@music.columbia.edu> <20060419145547.GA15704@morphius> Message-ID: <20060419152846.GA2304@spma33> vlad escribe: > but how can i recognize, whether the pam-modules support rtlimits or > not? AFAIK 0.80 and up, where there's still 0.79 in Debian sid and this version needs to be patched. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 [^[$B$?$S$?$S$9$_$^$;$s^[(B] Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyJE0hREjAGyhC?= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Leonard "paniq" Ritter a ?crit : > mjoo 0.0.5 has just been released. > > http://www.mjoo.org > > I extended the LADSPA plugin controllers with helper lines that > visualize parameter values through angle and distance. ALSA Sequencer > and DSSI plugin support is now in, although FluidSynth and XSynth aren't > working at the moment. Loading/Saving should now work well. mjoo > autoconnects to the alsa pcm out and ins now. A lot of bugs have been > fixed. > > From dana at ubuntustudio.com Wed Apr 19 12:07:21 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Wed Apr 19 12:06:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <20060419145547.GA15704@morphius> References: <20060419142244.21E4C115E959@music.columbia.edu> <20060419145547.GA15704@morphius> Message-ID: <1145462841.5798.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 16:55 +0200, vlad wrote: > > On Wednesday 19 April 2006 12:27, vlad was like: > > > btw, the libpam-modules package w/ rlimits is also in DeMuDi > > > (from "http://demudi.agnula.org/images/1.2.1/README.PACKAGES": > > > libpam-modules ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 0.76-22) > > > and debian sarge and the current ubuntu (both also version 0.76-22). > > > > Only the Ubuntu version is patched to support rtlimits. The versions in Debian > also the breezy version? > > > are vanilla. Do not assume things based on version numbers alone. > > > but how can i recognize, whether the pam-modules support rtlimits or > not? > i guess, i am now totally confused?!? > > vlad If the version of PAM is older than 0.80, then chances are VERY GOOD that it does NOT include rlimit support. However, some distros DO include an older version, patched and ready to go. Ubuntu Dapper is one that comes to mind. How could you tell? Well, read the changelog, I guess. If you are on Breezy, you will want to look at this: http://www.ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Rlimits-Aware_PAM Dana -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd like to try the install, as someone just said they had a problem installing. Nigel. From linux-stuff at arcor.de Wed Apr 19 13:26:02 2006 From: linux-stuff at arcor.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Frieder_B=FCrzele?=) Date: Wed Apr 19 13:26:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604180033.38425.ce@christeck.de> <1145313770.16138.92.camel@mindpipe> <200604180101.36498.ce@christeck.de> <1145315612.16138.98.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171616j6c02d9e1l7444b95de3badaa4@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0604171619q3e0d30cchc34b798fb4b35cb3@mail.gmail.com> <20060418103622.70ac6ac0@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <444672AA.3080401@arcor.de> Rossen Apostolov wrote: > Thomas Kuther wrote: > >> On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:41:24 -0500 >> "Reuben Martin" wrote: >> >> >>> On 4/17/06, Mark Knecht wrote: >>> >>>>>> Can you file a Gentoo bug report asking them to fully support >>>>>> the RTPRIO rlimit? >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> First step is for me to research the Gentoo bugzilla and see what >>>>> I can find. I'll get back to you with that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Seems that there has been a report for 8 months with no action >>>> taken: >>>> >>> Yeah, I'm the one who filed it. I don't know why they are dragging >>> their feet to use the newer versions. I suspect that it presents >>> incompatibilities with other programs somewhere that they are waiting >>> to be fixed. >>> >>> >>>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101766 >>>> >>>> I guess the issue doesn't seem important enough to them yet, or this >>>> description hasn't made it clear enough. >>>> >>>> - Mark >>>> >>>> >> There is an overlay that provides gentoo standard PAM + the patch for >> RLIMITS usability (beside a lot of nice software not in portage ;)). >> >> svn co svn://svn.tuxfamily.org/svnroot/ckpp/proaudio >> >> Might take ages till they include it into main portage, unfortunately. >> Gentoo provides realtime-lsm so far, i guess they think that's enough >> and easier anyway. >> >> HTH >> tom >> >> > this overlay is great! > > but see what i get: > > $ eix -e lash > * media-libs/lash [3] > Available versions: 0.5.0 0.5.1 > Installed: none > Homepage: http://www.nongnu.org/lash > Description: LASH Audio Session Handlern > > * media-sound/lash > Available versions: 0.5.1 > Installed: 0.5.1 > Homepage: http://www.nongnu.org/lash/ > Description: LASH Audio Session Handler > > [1] /usr/overlays/mine > [2] /usr/overlays/chutz > [3] /usr/overlays/proaudio > > why is lash put in media-libs when it's in media-sound in gentoo.org? > > Rossen > This is because ladcca is in media-libs and lash is the successor so I placed it in the same directory. Recently lash hit portage and the maintainer put it into the "wrong category". I'll ask him why he added it to media-sound. Frieder From wsynth at gjcp.net Wed Apr 19 13:39:05 2006 From: wsynth at gjcp.net (Gordonjcp) Date: Wed Apr 19 13:41:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] First trip to Europe In-Reply-To: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> References: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <444675B9.1030601@gjcp.net> Dmitry Baikov wrote: > Hello, all! > > Me and my girlfriend are planning a trip to Europe for a month between > May and June. You should visit Scotland. The further north the better. Gordon. From fbar at footils.org Wed Apr 19 13:56:58 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Apr 19 13:57:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [OT] First trip to Europe In-Reply-To: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> References: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060419175658.GG11640@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Dmitry Baikov hat gesagt: // Dmitry Baikov wrote: > Me and my girlfriend are planning a trip to Europe for a month between > May and June. If you happen to be in Koeln at 18.5.2006, you are invited to a concert I'll give then and there together with a musician/DJ from Latvia. German language details here: http://www.scene-kulturfestival.de/musik-02.html Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From kouhia at nic.funet.fi Wed Apr 19 15:00:19 2006 From: kouhia at nic.funet.fi (Juhana Sadeharju) Date: Wed Apr 19 15:01:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: distorting Linuxsampler Message-ID: I'm now more worried about the mental state of LS developers because they are aware of the feedback given by Debian people. It is unbelievable that a free, open source software gets kicked out off Debian. Making harm to thousands of free software friends because of only a few commercial audio developers. It does not make sense. Juhana -- http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-graphics-dev for developers of open source graphics software From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Apr 19 15:13:44 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Apr 19 15:13:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <20060419112703.GA1832@morphius> References: <20060419105656.8617A11581CB@music.columbia.edu> <20060419112703.GA1832@morphius> Message-ID: <1145474025.31023.4.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 13:27 +0200, vlad wrote: > i don't think this should be a discussion about changing the dists!!! > moving to another distribution should be the last thing to do! > and for better reasons then only a package that is newer or "better" > or "easier" to handle. Neither do I, but I made an offhand comment about it and the thread blew up for some reason. >From a developers perspective this issue was solved a year and a half ago. All I meant to say was that if your distro has still not caught up then it might be an indication they don't consider realtime audio an important use of their system and you may want to consider alternatives. Of course if you are a n00b and it took you a week to even get Linux working then changing distros is not a good idea! Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Apr 19 15:33:40 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Apr 19 15:33:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: distorting Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1145475221.31023.11.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 22:00 +0300, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > I'm now more worried about the mental state of LS developers > because they are aware of the feedback given by Debian people. > > It is unbelievable that a free, open source software gets kicked > out off Debian. Making harm to thousands of free software friends > because of only a few commercial audio developers. It does not make > sense. Why? It's their software, they can choose any license they want. They just don't want to be ripped off by someone commercializing their software and not paying them. Lee From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Wed Apr 19 16:00:54 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Wed Apr 19 16:01:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: distorting Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <1145475221.31023.11.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: I have worked for diverse unix and networking companies for about 20 years now, I know that sounds like I am going to give an OldHat comment, but the reputation of what is now GPL software has changed dramatically. I first worked with the 0.99 Linux kernel, and, at the time, people in the industry had the opinion that Public Domain (GPL/Whatever) software was buggy, rather full of holes and not really ready for commercial or professional use. If you speak to the same people now that has totally changed, public domain software is respected far ahead of most commercially available applications, whether that is in audio, security, web services, etc. The feeling that software development companies have a single goal which is to make money is widely understood, whilst that open source developers want products that work and fit requirements has only now become respected. I actually deal with multibillion dollar companies who want and prefer open source applications, the whole community of developers make sure that these applications do what they say on the tin. This leaves a big hole in the GPL, since software developers are now making products that the industry wants, and making it available for free. A lot of people are using this to their advantage, taking 'public domain' software private, making money, and not re-releasing their improvements back to the community. What I want to say is the migration of Linux Sampler from GPL to any other form of license is just a recognition of a massive shift in the market, and perhaps something that GPL needs to come to terms with. >From: Lee Revell >Reply-To: A list for linux audio users > >To: A list for linux audio users >Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: distorting Linuxsampler >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:33:40 -0400 > >On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 22:00 +0300, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > > I'm now more worried about the mental state of LS developers > > because they are aware of the feedback given by Debian people. > > > > It is unbelievable that a free, open source software gets kicked > > out off Debian. Making harm to thousands of free software friends > > because of only a few commercial audio developers. It does not make > > sense. > >Why? It's their software, they can choose any license they want. They >just don't want to be ripped off by someone commercializing their >software and not paying them. > >Lee > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Wed Apr 19 16:11:48 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Wed Apr 19 16:04:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [OT] First trip to Europe In-Reply-To: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> References: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060419201148.GA4800@linux-1> On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 05:39:01PM +0400, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > Moscow > St.Petersurg > -- > Helsinki > Stockholm > Berlin > Koeln > Brussels > London > Paris > Bourdeaux > Madrid > Barcelona,Figeras > Genova > Milan? > Rome > Venice > Vienna > Prague > -- > Moscow If you'd come to Antwerp (45 km from Brussels and a much nicer and friendlier place), I'd be happy to arrange a B&B in the city center, indicate the places to go and see, and offer a few (Belgian) beers. Both Germany and France have a rather efficient high-speed train system, both also spreading out to Belgium (Brussels and/or Antwerp). These are not the cheapest, but there are special period tickets etc. that you should look out for. There is also number of low- cost airlines operating over most of Europe, but watch out for the extra costs. If you take everything into account (i.e. transport between a city center and the not always very near airport), the HS trains are often cheaper. -- FA Follie! Follie! Delirio vano e' questo! From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Wed Apr 19 16:33:49 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Wed Apr 19 16:34:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: distorting Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44469EAD.1030006@boosthardware.com> Nick Copeland wrote: > > > What I want to say is the migration of Linux Sampler from GPL to any > other form of license is just a recognition of a massive shift in the > market, and perhaps something that GPL needs to come to terms with. > It's a good point that you raise and I know Mark is well aware of this given his work history ;) I think the people who wrote the GPL had a pretty fair idea of the multinational corporate environment when they wrote the License. I find it strange that Mark is willing to use the other completely proprietry apps but not LS simply because they have a small clause in their license which demands commercial companies get their permission before embedding the code. It has nothing to do with the end user :? But it also seems strange that they haven't been taken to task for altering the GPL. That is definitely illegal AFAIK. Doesn't the BSD license cover their needs? Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/ - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Wed Apr 19 16:45:45 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Apr 19 16:45:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: mjoo 0.0.4 released In-Reply-To: <200604191905.21623.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <1143589150.7658.1.camel@zeitgeist> <200604191905.21623.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <200604192245.46003.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 19 April 2006 19:05, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Wednesday 29 March 2006 01:39, Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote: > > mjoo > > Hi. Leonard. Is there any other place apart from sourceforge, the I can > download this from? Konqueror accessing sourceforge is a dead loss. > Constantly stuck in some loop with 100% CPU. Firefox took ages loading up > all sourceforges adds, then said the project didn't exist with this URL. > 'http://sourceforge.net/projects/mjoo'. > > I'd like to try the install, as someone just said they had a problem > installing. > > Nigel. Update. Ok. I've eventually managed to DL Mjoo 0.0.5 from sourceforge, admittadly using Firefox, as sourceforge doesn't want to know Konqueror any more. This is not a dig at Mjoo, just a sourceforge problem. Question. The README is a bit confusing. Everything is shown to be run as user "$". Normally "Make" is run as user, and "Make install" as root. Then it says. Don't install at this moment, but build libmjoo first. Then. $ scons (is this as root or user?) Then you can run mjoo: $ ./python mjoo.py (presumably as user) I'm confused. I've just installed scons on FC4, so what is the procedure for installing Mjoo, so that I as a user can use it. I do not not want to be running the machine as root, like logged in as root. Not complaining but just trying to install. Nigel. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Apr 19 18:10:00 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Apr 19 18:09:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: distorting Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <44469EAD.1030006@boosthardware.com> References: <44469EAD.1030006@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <4446B538.9010104@woh.rr.com> Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Nick Copeland wrote: > >> >> >> What I want to say is the migration of Linux Sampler from GPL to any >> other form of license is just a recognition of a massive shift in the >> market, and perhaps something that GPL needs to come to terms with. >> > > It's a good point that you raise and I know Mark is well aware of this > given his work history ;) I'm looking at the sources for LS and the only license I see there is the GPL, so AFAICT there's been no change in license. However, in the README we find this gem : "The LinuxSampler library (liblinuxsampler) and its applications are distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License (see COPYING file), but with the EXCEPTION that they may NOT be used in COMMERCIAL software or hardware products without prior written authorization by the authors." I read through their COPYING, it's the 1991 version of the license (v.2, not 2.1). I can't find anything that expressly denies the authors their right to make this exception, but it is contrary to the first of the FSF's Four Freedoms: The freedom to run the program, for any purpose. I suppose we can start splitting hairs over the essential differences between using a program and running a program. Anyway, I think this is where things get shaky between LS and the GPL. > I think the people who wrote the GPL had a pretty fair idea of the > multinational corporate environment when they wrote the License. Maybe not. > I find it strange that Mark is willing to use the other completely > proprietry apps but not LS simply because they have a small clause in > their license which demands commercial companies get their permission > before embedding the code. Well, it appears to violate the spirit if not the letter of the GPL. Mark's central objection, IIRC, was that he didn't want to donate code to a project that wasn't fully compliant with the GPL. I don't see this as a conflict with his decision to use proprietary software, it's a different contract. > But it also seems strange that they haven't been taken to task for > altering the GPL. That is definitely illegal AFAIK. Doesn't the BSD > license cover their needs? Again, they haven't altered the GPL. They've included a clause in the README that is provocative to GPL hard-liners and is *possibly* illegal. IANAL. The sooner this issue is resolved, the better for everyone. Frank Neumann needs some assistance with a file format problem in LS, but he needs help from someone who already runs GigaSampler... Best, dp From carotinobg at yahoo.it Wed Apr 19 18:32:17 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Wed Apr 19 18:30:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] First trip to Europe In-Reply-To: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> References: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604200032.17978.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 15:39, mercoled? 19 aprile 2006, Dmitry Baikov ha scritto: > Milan? Ehi, what's the "?" after Milan?:) Well, the city per se is not gorgeous, but there are things worth to see... There are other smaller but wonderful cities in Northern Italy, like Bergamo, Padova, Mantova, Verona, Ferrara and Parma, and the lakes like the Lake of Como or Lake Maggiore are really beautiful. You know, even George Clooney has a villa on the latter:) > 1) what is the cheapest way to travel inside europe? > Bus? Airplane? If it's by air, how can we buy cheapest tickets? Which > company? How much days before the flight? etc. Or may be hitchhiking? Trains in Italy are generally not cheap and not reliable. Travelling with low-cost air companies is cheaper, but I don't know about booking. Hitchiking can be a funny experience, like when a completely foul guy carried me and my friend in the most thrilling trip of my life:) > Sorry, we don't know exact dates as we are researching on european > visa (trip begins from Helsinki, since it seems the easiest way to get > into europe). Since when Russia is outside Europe?:) ????! ???????? ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Apr 19 19:00:48 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Apr 19 19:01:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: distorting Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <44469EAD.1030006@boosthardware.com> References: <44469EAD.1030006@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060419230048.GA12156@slinkp.com> On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 03:33:49AM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > But it also seems strange that they haven't been taken to task for > altering the GPL. That is definitely illegal AFAIK. Doesn't the BSD > license cover their needs? No, the usual BSD license allows unlimited commercial usage, as does the MIT license. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed Apr 19 21:41:18 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Apr 19 21:41:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: First trip to Europe In-Reply-To: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> References: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/19/06, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > Hello, all! > > Me and my girlfriend are planning a trip to Europe for a month between > May and June. > It will be our first trip abroad, so please help if you can with a good > advice. > Since it's not so easy to get out of here (russia), and I can't visit > all that great & numerous openlab's etc., one of the main goals is > "community building": > I'd like to meet (at least some of ) you, LADs/LAUs, in person. > > Current plan is (yes, it's huge): > Moscow > St.Petersurg > -- > Helsinki > Stockholm > Berlin > Koeln > Brussels > London > Paris > Bourdeaux > Madrid > Barcelona,Figeras > Genova > Milan? > Rome > Venice > Vienna > Prague > -- > Moscow > > There are two main questions > (lonelyplanet.com helps a bit, but residents can say much more): > > 1) what is the cheapest way to travel inside europe? > Bus? Airplane? If it's by air, how can we buy cheapest tickets? Which > company? How much days before the flight? etc. Or may be hitchhiking? > > 2) how hard is to find cheap place to sleep? > > AND > > Where can we meet YOU? > > Sorry, we don't know exact dates as we are researching on european > visa (trip begins from Helsinki, since it seems the easiest way to get > into europe). > > > Sincerely, > Dmitry. > When is the trip to asia / australia? I can help a bit for that one too. ;) Ride sharing is a great way to get places. I went across quite a bit of europe using it. Including one trip from southern germany to budapest for only 20 euro for 2 people, picked up at my house and dropped of at a nice backpackers, travelling in a new bmw 5 series. http://mitfahrzentrale.de/ and http://www.car-pool.co.uk/ but there are others too. As far as places to stay, lonely planet lists most of the backpackers in an area but some you can find from info at the backpacker you were at before that. The lonely planet europe guide isn't a bad investment and you'll be supporting an aussie company ;-) There are bargin train deals in most countries as long as you are a bit flexible which are usually really handy. If you can live on kebabs you'll do pretty well most places. Cheap flights are a great way to get to the uk, but bring a packed lunch, the food is totally inedible. There are a lot of different airlines and most of the small/cheap ones go from some tiny airport to some other tiny airport which could be an issue. I'd avoid youth hostelling international places like the plague. Only go there if there isn't a private backpackers. There are often more expensive, less friendly and less comfortable than a private backpackers. Some countries there isn't an option though. I'd recommend going to bratislava and budapest while you are nearby, and some of switzerland. All are very, very beautiful. Try the cheap pancakes if you are in bratislava, they are great. Though i count moscow as part of europe and moscow is actually my fav city in europe. If you want details of backpackers i've been to per city/country give me a yell. Loki From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Apr 19 21:49:56 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Apr 19 21:50:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <1145474025.31023.4.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060419105656.8617A11581CB@music.columbia.edu> <20060419112703.GA1832@morphius> <1145474025.31023.4.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200604200249.57500.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 19 April 2006 20:13, Lee Revell was like: > On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 13:27 +0200, vlad wrote: > > i don't think this should be a discussion about changing the dists!!! > > moving to another distribution should be the last thing to do! > > and for better reasons then only a package that is newer or "better" > > or "easier" to handle. > > Neither do I, but I made an offhand comment about it and the thread blew > up for some reason. > >From a developers perspective this issue was solved a year and a half > > ago. ?All I meant to say was that if your distro has still not caught up > then it might be an indication they don't consider realtime audio an > important use of their system and you may want to consider alternatives. It would be far simpler to fess up to the fact that you are spouting nonsense. A spade perhaps? -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Apr 19 22:28:38 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Apr 19 22:28:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: distorting Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <4446B538.9010104@woh.rr.com> References: <44469EAD.1030006@boosthardware.com> <4446B538.9010104@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200604200328.39123.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 19 April 2006 23:10, Dave Phillips was like: > "The LinuxSampler library (liblinuxsampler) and its applications are > distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License (see > COPYING file), but with the EXCEPTION that they may NOT be used in > COMMERCIAL software or hardware products without prior written > authorization by the authors." The way Debian types leap on license problems can seem rather harsh sometimes. Sometimes, as with the Portaudio license, this can get stupidly picky. In this case the LS developers are making it clear that they do not want to be distributed by Debian. DFSG is very clear on this point. I think it is a shame, but it is their software and they are entitled to license it exactly how they choose. It does mean that LinuxSampler will never become the flagship application that its name implies. Yeah, MO, sure. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Apr 19 22:35:25 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Apr 19 22:35:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] First trip to Europe In-Reply-To: <200604200032.17978.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> <200604200032.17978.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200604200335.25937.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 19 April 2006 23:32, Carotinho was like: > Since when Russia is outside Europe?:) Similar length of time to the UK. ;p -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Apr 19 22:41:04 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Apr 19 22:41:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour sound output problems Message-ID: <200604200341.05187.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Does anyone have any useful insights into why ardour (0.99) so often starts up with no sound? - particularly if the last session was kicked out by jack (0.100.7). When it works it will run for a whole session, but I am having to reboot a little too often to get sound back for my liking. Restarting jack or alsa alone does not usually sort this. I am at such a loss to know how to debug this sort of problem The reproducible error is that jack kicks out ardour after more than 3 minutes recording. No sound out of any other audio application, even after restarting alsa. Usually at this point logging in/out does not help either and I have to reboot to get sound back. I have checked all the obvious things like channel inputs and outputs. However it is not always as predictable as this. I am using rather low-end hardware which may explain some things, like the short recording window. I think I have been fairly thorough with my system configuration, but there are so many variables to take into account. The one unusual thing I am doing at the moment is running rtlimits with positive nice values for non audio apps rather than negging the audio ones. Whether that is actually making any difference to anything is rather hard to tell at this stage. Linux xingta 2.6.16.5-realtim #1 PREEMPT Tue Apr 18 03:20:06 BST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux model name : Pentium III (Katmai) cpu MHz : 499.120 MemTotal: 320792 kB SwapTotal: 2000052 kB 0 [FM801AU ]: FM801 - ForteMedia FM801-AU ForteMedia FM801-AU at 0x1800, irq 10 Having to reboot after every take is a bit of a PITA. The problem seems to be ardour specific, but I am largely in the dark. What I could really do with is some guidance on how to go about troubleshooting and/or finding methods of getting the sound output back that do not involve rebooting. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From set at pobox.com Wed Apr 19 22:57:22 2006 From: set at pobox.com (Paul) Date: Wed Apr 19 22:57:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0604181840k1409f581yc9114c0aedda575a@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de> <1145310030.16138.80.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com> <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> <20060418084428.GC11909@fliwatut.scifi> <5bdc1c8b0604181840k1409f581yc9114c0aedda575a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060420025722.GG7554@squish.home.loc> Mark Knecht , on Tue Apr 18, 2006 [06:40:44 PM] said: > Even easier is doing absolutely nothing at all! Currently the > 2.6.16 kernels I use work with realtime-lsm. My intermediate solution > will be to do no new kernel updates after the kernel developers make > this change (assuming they do...) until the Gentoo devs eventually do > the pam update. It's not in my future to mess with stuff like this by > hand... > > Cheers, > Mark > Hi; Is there something wrong with the overlay Frieder posted? I just downloaded his tarball, unpacked it in my local portage overlay and emerged the patched pam. (That part worked, I havent verified that I can do realtime stuff yet, though;) http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Installing_3rd_Party_Ebuilds (really, the official gentoo version of pam should just have the simple obvious patch applied-- no need to upgrade it to a newer version-- the changes are trivial as far as I can see.) Paul set@pobox.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Apr 19 23:20:21 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Apr 19 23:20:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <200604200249.57500.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060419105656.8617A11581CB@music.columbia.edu> <20060419112703.GA1832@morphius> <1145474025.31023.4.camel@mindpipe> <200604200249.57500.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <1145503223.2821.12.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 02:49 +0100, tim hall wrote: > It would be far simpler to fess up to the fact that you are spouting > nonsense. What's nonsense is that we are still discussing this stupid issue a year and a half after it was solved. > A spade perhaps? I have no idea what you mean. Lee From steffl at bigfoot.com Wed Apr 19 23:47:19 2006 From: steffl at bigfoot.com (Erik Steffl) Date: Wed Apr 19 23:48:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: First trip to Europe In-Reply-To: References: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44470447.8050005@bigfoot.com> Loki Davison wrote: > On 4/19/06, Dmitry Baikov wrote: >> Me and my girlfriend are planning a trip to Europe for a month between >> May and June. ... > I'd recommend going to bratislava and budapest while you are nearby, > and some of switzerland. All are very, very beautiful. Try the cheap > pancakes if you are in bratislava, they are great. Though i count yeah! I was born in bratislava (lived there until 97), the best pancakes ever are right by railroad station (go away from railroad station, see small pancake bufet/cafe near first intersection). Well, unless they went out of business in the meantime, last time I was there was few years ago:-) and yes, vienna, bratislava, budapest are all close together so that's pretty good combo... erik From dana at ubuntustudio.com Wed Apr 19 23:55:54 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Wed Apr 19 23:55:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM In-Reply-To: <1145503223.2821.12.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060419105656.8617A11581CB@music.columbia.edu> <20060419112703.GA1832@morphius> <1145474025.31023.4.camel@mindpipe> <200604200249.57500.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1145503223.2821.12.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1145505354.15791.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 23:20 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 02:49 +0100, tim hall wrote: > > It would be far simpler to fess up to the fact that you are spouting > > nonsense. > > What's nonsense is that we are still discussing this stupid issue a year > and a half after it was solved. I totally agree. Now, how about we all just drop this subject, once and for all? If anyone has questions about this issue from this point on, it is answered already in the archives. We can now move on to more important things. Thanks. Dana -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060419/5f44e447/attachment.bin From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Apr 20 00:32:29 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Apr 20 00:32:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <20060420025722.GG7554@squish.home.loc> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de> <1145310030.16138.80.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com> <1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe> <20060418084428.GC11909@fliwatut.scifi> <5bdc1c8b0604181840k1409f581yc9114c0aedda575a@mail.gmail.com> <20060420025722.GG7554@squish.home.loc> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0604192132t1e7ef4f7h4a25715da3064d4a@mail.gmail.com> On 4/19/06, Paul wrote: > Mark Knecht , on Tue Apr 18, 2006 [06:40:44 PM] said: > > > Even easier is doing absolutely nothing at all! Currently the > > 2.6.16 kernels I use work with realtime-lsm. My intermediate solution > > will be to do no new kernel updates after the kernel developers make > > this change (assuming they do...) until the Gentoo devs eventually do > > the pam update. It's not in my future to mess with stuff like this by > > hand... > > > > Cheers, > > Mark > > > > Hi; > > Is there something wrong with the overlay Frieder posted? > I just downloaded his tarball, unpacked it in my local portage overlay > and emerged the patched pam. (That part worked, I havent verified > that I can do realtime stuff yet, though;) > > http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Installing_3rd_Party_Ebuilds > > (really, the official gentoo version of pam should just > have the simple obvious patch applied-- no need to upgrade it > to a newer version-- the changes are trivial as far as I can > see.) > > Paul > set@pobox.com > Hi Paul, I don't know if anything is wrong. I didn't try it. I'm not likely to want to go outside of standard portage. IT seems everytime I've tried this it works for a while then the folks who set these things up get tired 6 months later and there's not support. I'll just stick with Gentoo as Gentoo and deal with this out in the future sometime. Either the Gentoo devs will fix it or who knows... Cheers, Mark From aaron at nquit.com Thu Apr 20 00:58:12 2006 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron Trumm) Date: Thu Apr 20 00:57:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more on DVD and DVD audio References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com><200604172310.10323.ce@christeck.de><1145310030.16138.80.camel@mindpipe><5bdc1c8b0604171456l38ff1c28mf859205858bf3429@mail.gmail.com><1145311473.16138.85.camel@mindpipe><20060418084428.GC11909@fliwatut.scifi><5bdc1c8b0604181840k1409f581yc9114c0aedda575a@mail.gmail.com><20060420025722.GG7554@squish.home.loc> <5bdc1c8b0604192132t1e7ef4f7h4a25715da3064d4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003301c66437$0741ced0$0202a8c0@nquitlaptop> ok boys and girls i'm back here's a stupid question somebody may know about... if i were, say, encoding some AC3 file with, say, ffmpeg tools - would i start with a six channel wave file or something? and then what order are the channels in? i assume the encoder is going to have a way it wants to do that and if I have my center channel in what it thinks is right surround - well that could be a problem, yeah? my guess from the learning i've done so far is it goes: 1 - left 2 - right 3 - center 4 - sub 5 - right surround 6 - left surround anybody have confirmation? thanks! - A From aaron at nquit.com Thu Apr 20 01:52:34 2006 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron Trumm) Date: Thu Apr 20 01:51:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: more on DVD and DVD audio Message-ID: <007801c6643e$9f4643d0$0202a8c0@nquitlaptop> ok boys and girls i'm back here's a stupid question somebody may know about... if i were, say, encoding some AC3 file with, say, ffmpeg tools - would i start with a six channel wave file or something? and then what order are the channels in? i assume the encoder is going to have a way it wants to do that and if I have my center channel in what it thinks is right surround - well that could be a problem, yeah? my guess from the learning i've done so far is it goes: 1 - left 2 - right 3 - center 4 - sub 5 - right surround 6 - left surround anybody have confirmation? thanks! - A From ix at replic.net Thu Apr 20 02:16:14 2006 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Thu Apr 20 02:16:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <20060415190002.6300.23002.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20060420061614.GA30430@replic.net> > >How about doing this with the verse protocol and daemon or in the same > >spirit?. That way, any editor that supports this protocol, could edit > >a live region. > > > > Thats an insanely large project you are proposing. :-) not really. most win32 samplers have an 'edit in ___' button which just does something dumb like 'wavelab.exe /project/path/.sdf34liswesdf.wav' .. ..DAAP is dead simple. a tiny http daemon sends the audiofiles + metadata in XML..ive only seen it uesd for mp3 players but being able to shuttle a file between wave editors / loopers / DAWs without having to be conscious of its physical location on disk and/or navigating a different file dialog in each would be nice.. > > Hacking snd into ardour should only require a days work or something because snd can be compiled as a gtk widget. From v2 at iki.fi Thu Apr 20 02:28:12 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Thu Apr 20 02:28:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour sound output problems Message-ID: <1145514492.444729fce369e@www1.helsinki.fi> Quoting tim hall : > Does anyone have any useful insights into why ardour (0.99) so often > starts up > with no sound? - particularly if the last session was kicked out by jack > > (0.100.7). When it works it will run for a whole session, but I am having > to > reboot a little too often to get sound back for my liking. Restarting > jack or > alsa alone does not usually sort this. I am at such a loss to know how to > > debug this sort of problem Sounds like a denormal issue. More on them on http://www.ardour.org/node/139 Which plugins are you using in the session? Sampo From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Apr 20 02:31:24 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Apr 20 02:31:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: First trip to Europe In-Reply-To: <44470447.8050005@bigfoot.com> References: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> <44470447.8050005@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80604192331m2ad6644cj65b579e49e4e77e4@mail.gmail.com> Thank you all for you replies so far. Waiting for more ;) Need some time to analyse all info, but now some quick answers. Jens M Andreasen wrote: > Given the almost unbeliveable long list of places to visit ... :) You know, it's a plan. Flexible one. And for a month. And I don't think we'll travel again in a nearest year or so. Frank, thank you for invitation, but it's nearly impossible for us to be there at 18th of May. On Wednesday 19 April 2006 23:32, Carotinho was like: > Since when Russia is outside Europe?:) Geographically it is inside, but it's not that easy to get visa. It turns out we have to drop UK and Chezh since they are out of Schengen zone and need separate visas. Switzerland is not an option by the same reason. Still trying to figure out the easiest way to get visa. The country we get Schengen visa from should be the first country of our trip. Hope it will be Finland. But it may be France. Fons, thanks for your advice. Replaced Brussels with Antwerp. :) I hope we'll get there. Carotinho wrote: > Ehi, what's the "?" after Milan?:) Sorry, I know each country is very interesting and beautiful and needs a separate visit. But we want to get the "taste of europe" and look for places we'll want to study deeper. Kind regards, Dmitry. From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Apr 20 02:44:19 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Apr 20 02:44:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: First trip to Europe In-Reply-To: <70a871c80604192331m2ad6644cj65b579e49e4e77e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> <44470447.8050005@bigfoot.com> <70a871c80604192331m2ad6644cj65b579e49e4e77e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/20/06, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > Thank you all for you replies so far. Waiting for more ;) > Need some time to analyse all info, but now some quick answers. > > Jens M Andreasen wrote: > > Given the almost unbeliveable long list of places to visit ... > :) You know, it's a plan. Flexible one. And for a month. > And I don't think we'll travel again in a nearest year or so. > > Frank, thank you for invitation, but it's nearly impossible for us to > be there at 18th of May. > > On Wednesday 19 April 2006 23:32, Carotinho was like: > > Since when Russia is outside Europe?:) > Geographically it is inside, but it's not that easy to get visa. > > It turns out we have to drop UK and Chezh since they are out of > Schengen zone and need separate visas. Switzerland is not an option by > the same reason. > > Still trying to figure out the easiest way to get visa. The country we > get Schengen visa from should be the first country of our trip. Hope > it will be Finland. But it may be France. The french consular service are not really speedy when it comes to visa's. I'd avoid them. Loki From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Thu Apr 20 04:16:27 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Thu Apr 20 04:16:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: Bristol 0.9.4 In-Reply-To: References: <4446461E.7090105@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20060420101627.4bf0cd09@SiRiUS.home> On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:27:47 +0200 "Nick Copeland" wrote: > > Bristol does a rather lightweight check for the presence of Jack - I > did say it was the first release. Version 0.9.4-1 wants the header > files in /usr/local/include/jack, the default location, and if they > are not found there then compilation takes place without jack > support. This will change in a present upload, using jack.pc instead > to find the true location. > > You can 'resolve' this by doing the following: > > # mkdir /usr/local/include/jack > # cd /src > # ./build clean > # ./build > > When the directory is there the compilation will continue, and I > assume that the header files will be present in some other more > defualt location (such as /usr/include?). This may also fail if you > have installed the Jack header files in some other location > completely - you can hack the build scripts or send me an email, or > wait for the present 0.9.4-X that will be uploaded soon. > > Regards, > Nick. > Hmm just tried 0.9.4-1.src.041906 compiled as you explained above, but i don't seem to be able to get it to use jack. i did: $ startBristol -b3 -jack & or -audio jack but it starts using alsa. Any hints? :) Regards tom From fbar at footils.org Thu Apr 20 05:43:49 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Apr 20 05:43:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: First trip to Europe In-Reply-To: <70a871c80604192331m2ad6644cj65b579e49e4e77e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> <44470447.8050005@bigfoot.com> <70a871c80604192331m2ad6644cj65b579e49e4e77e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060420094349.GB16889@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Dmitry Baikov hat gesagt: // Dmitry Baikov wrote: > Thank you all for you replies so far. Waiting for more ;) One additional advice: I guess you are aware, that the Soccer/Football world championship is happening in Germany in from June 9 to July 9. Depending on your preferences you may want to avoid Germany during that period, as probably most cheaper places to sleep will be very crowded. Also Germany will be a police state during that time, at least more so than usual. OTOH there also will be lots of helping hands for international travellers on the streets, trained in speaking many tongues. At least that's what was promised. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From lestercolza at yahoo.fr Thu Apr 20 06:44:29 2006 From: lestercolza at yahoo.fr (olivier) Date: Thu Apr 20 06:44:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] First trip to Europe In-Reply-To: <20060419142244.21E4C115E959@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060420104429.97921.qmail@web27007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >1) what is the cheapest way to travel inside europe? >Bus? Airplane? If it's by air, how can we buy cheapest >tickets? >Which company? >How much days before the flight? etc. >Or may be hitchhiking? hitchhiking is always an adventure, that can be fun, and fast too, but you need to stay on the highway, always ask for stop in a gas Station and rest area on the highway, if you want to catch another car to go longer, never go out of the highway and stop inside a city where you don't want to go (just because the funny guy who drive you, go into this city, and he think that's better for you ... never listen to them, they never practice hichhiking ...), don't take the small way if you are hurry, there is nobody and they drive slow ... if you think that showing your beautiful thumb is the good way, you'll wait and wait ... if you ask to the people when they stop for any reason, and if you don't forget to smile to them (don't forget social enginering ! :) ), then you'll be fast like speedy gonzales !!! don't forget to look at the people if you can trust them, yes there is risk everywhere ... you can get cheap fly or train by the web, this site is in several language for the french train and fly : http://www.voyages-sncf.com but the good opportunities are writed in french ... for the cheap sleep, hostels are expensive, the mini is 20 euro a night for three persons, "formule 1" hotel , always at the limit of the city, in may june you can go in a "camping", that's less expensive, it depend where you are, in the summer a lot of people sleep illegally in the parcs in the city, just be discret, go in when the night come, and go back when the sun wake up, if somebody say you something, just say you are very sorry, you just arrived in the middle of the night, everything was closed , and you didn't knew where to go ;-), I did that many times, and never gone in prison ... my way is not the most comfortable , sure, but that's the cheaper, and you can go all around the europe like that, without any money, if you have any instrumment, and are able to play in public, you'll eat for free too ;-) good luck and enjoy ! ___________________________________________________________________________ Faites de Yahoo! votre page d'accueil sur le web pour retrouver directement vos services pr?f?r?s : v?rifiez vos nouveaux mails, lancez vos recherches et suivez l'actualit? en temps r?el. Rendez-vous sur http://fr.yahoo.com/set From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Apr 20 06:54:19 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Apr 20 06:53:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: Bristol 0.9.4 In-Reply-To: <20060420101627.4bf0cd09@SiRiUS.home> References: <4446461E.7090105@sympatico.ca> <20060420101627.4bf0cd09@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <4447685B.10701@woh.rr.com> Thomas Kuther wrote: >Hmm just tried 0.9.4-1.src.041906 compiled as you explained above, but i >don't seem to be able to get it to use jack. >i did: >$ startBristol -b3 -jack & >or -audio jack > >but it starts using alsa. >Any hints? :) > > I simply linked the directory at /usr/include/jack to /usr/local/include/jack and Bristol compiled okay with JACK support. When I start the synth I get entries in QJackCtl for audio and MIDI connections. The synth works okay, crashes a lot though. Nick, I'll try to get a verbose report to you within a day or so. Thomas, try the link, see if that makes a difference when you compile. Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Apr 20 06:58:46 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Apr 20 06:58:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] First trip to Europe In-Reply-To: <20060420104429.97921.qmail@web27007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060420104429.97921.qmail@web27007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44476966.6010809@woh.rr.com> olivier wrote: >hitchhiking is always an adventure, > > I'm curious: Is hitchhiking legal in Europe ? In the US it's a great way to ensure a visit to the local law enforement agency... Best, dp From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Thu Apr 20 07:06:12 2006 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Thu Apr 20 07:06:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] First trip to Europe In-Reply-To: <44476966.6010809@woh.rr.com> References: <20060420104429.97921.qmail@web27007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44476966.6010809@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1145531172.8827.1.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 06:58 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > olivier wrote: > >hitchhiking is always an adventure, > > I'm curious: Is hitchhiking legal in Europe ? > In the US it's a great way to ensure a visit to the local law enforement > agency... According to Wikipedia it is, in most countries: http://wikitravel.org/en/Tips_for_hitchhiking#Countries -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060420/153d2f50/attachment-0001.bin From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Thu Apr 20 07:10:58 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Thu Apr 20 07:11:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: Bristol 0.9.4 In-Reply-To: <4447685B.10701@woh.rr.com> References: <4446461E.7090105@sympatico.ca> <20060420101627.4bf0cd09@SiRiUS.home> <4447685B.10701@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060420131058.747349c9@SiRiUS.home> On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:54:19 -0400 Dave Phillips wrote: > Thomas Kuther wrote: > > >Hmm just tried 0.9.4-1.src.041906 compiled as you explained above, > >but i don't seem to be able to get it to use jack. > >i did: > >$ startBristol -b3 -jack & > >or -audio jack > > > >but it starts using alsa. > >Any hints? :) > > > > > I simply linked the directory at /usr/include/jack to > /usr/local/include/jack and Bristol compiled okay with JACK support. > When I start the synth I get entries in QJackCtl for audio and MIDI > connections. The synth works okay, crashes a lot though. Nick, I'll > try to get a verbose report to you within a day or so. > > Thomas, try the link, see if that makes a difference when you compile. > > Best, > > dp > Thanks Dave! Nick sent over a new build script and Makefile which made it work too. The rhodes works pretty stable here.. currently playing with it as midi synth in MusE + hydrogen for drums and i already love it. Only little harm I see so far is that it's very silent, compared to hydrogen's drums with default volume, but that's not a big problem. And at least the rhodes didn't crash in the last half an hour since i use it. Will test the other synths too, especially the B3 and Pro52 and report about problems if they occur. Btw a gentoo ebuild for the new version including jack support can be found in Frieder's overlay recently mentioned here on the list. Regards, Tom From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Apr 20 07:27:32 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Apr 20 07:26:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: Bristol 0.9.4 In-Reply-To: <20060420131058.747349c9@SiRiUS.home> References: <4446461E.7090105@sympatico.ca> <20060420101627.4bf0cd09@SiRiUS.home> <4447685B.10701@woh.rr.com> <20060420131058.747349c9@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <44477024.7010508@woh.rr.com> Thomas Kuther wrote: >Only little harm I see so far is that it's very silent, compared to >hydrogen's drums with default volume, but that's not a big problem. > > Ditto. Nick, the output from Bristol is quite low, am I missing something ? Best, dp From lestercolza at yahoo.fr Thu Apr 20 07:50:49 2006 From: lestercolza at yahoo.fr (olivier) Date: Thu Apr 20 07:50:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: First trip to Europe In-Reply-To: <20060420110623.9BD8C118A069@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060420115049.77026.qmail@web27009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >The french consular service are not really speedy when >it comes to >visa's. I'd avoid them. french administration is a big mess, try other options in the same time ... >I'm curious: Is hitchhiking legal in Europe ? that's legal, at your own risk, but assurances company make problems to the trucks, and to the professionnals drivers, they don't bring you anymore, and in the highway you can't be on the road or the peage, just before the peage, or on the rest area. that's not easy as it was, I'm not talking about social enginering just for fun ;-) ___________________________________________________________________________ Faites de Yahoo! votre page d'accueil sur le web pour retrouver directement vos services pr?f?r?s : v?rifiez vos nouveaux mails, lancez vos recherches et suivez l'actualit? en temps r?el. Rendez-vous sur http://fr.yahoo.com/set From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Thu Apr 20 07:56:52 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Thu Apr 20 07:56:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: Bristol 0.9.4 In-Reply-To: <44477024.7010508@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: The output is admittedly rather low, but that depends on the synth - if you start the B3 it whollops out a fair old volume. Also historically some of the filters would overdrive rather easily, so some of this was to contain the levels. If you are looking at independent synths there is a final ouput gain stage - try it with -outgain 8 or 16. In the longer term the different synths need to be normalised for a gain level. Perhaps I could make the outgain an emulation option rather than an engine option? Try it out, if it works I will recode some of it. Regarding crashes - the most extensive work I have done here has been with ALSA drivers, and there are some potential issues with Jack that could lead to misbehaviour. To start with I don't deal with buffer size changes. If they get smaller fine, but if they get bigger then there are potential problems. Nick >From: Dave Phillips >Reply-To: A list for linux audio users > >To: A list for linux audio users >Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] ANN: Bristol 0.9.4 >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:27:32 -0400 > >Thomas Kuther wrote: > >>Only little harm I see so far is that it's very silent, compared to >>hydrogen's drums with default volume, but that's not a big problem. >> >> >Ditto. Nick, the output from Bristol is quite low, am I missing something ? > >Best, > >dp > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From sub_acoustic at yahoo.co.nz Thu Apr 20 08:03:19 2006 From: sub_acoustic at yahoo.co.nz (Hamish Low) Date: Thu Apr 20 08:03:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digigram VX Pocket firmware help please Message-ID: <44477887.7000604@yahoo.co.nz> Hi, I recently bought a VX Pocket V2. Great soundcard (on windows) and finally one with linux drivers for my laptop (which will be great when it works) I've been trying various interpretations of the instructions on the ALSA page. http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Digigram&card=VXpocket+440.&chip=Motorola+DSP&module=vxpocket but still no luck. I'm relatively new to linux and it's been a crash-course getting this far. But I'm stuck and need some help. I think maybe the instructions make assumptions about linux knowledge that I don't have - like how do I turn on module support? I'm using Demudi - a 2.6 kernel - I've installed the firmware through synaptic but also downloaded the latest stable alsa tools, utils, lib, drivers and firmware packages as per the instructions. Also had to download gcc and make and some other things but it seems like the instructions are incomplete make install says something about no path specified ./configure doesn't work make build says the same thing not sure what to do next. It said something about a newer kernel but this shouldn't be necessary as the linux drivers were working a few years ago. and I don't want to do an apt-get dist-upgrade because when I tried that nothing worked at all. anyway thanks in advance peace Hamish Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Apr 20 08:27:10 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Apr 20 08:27:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: First trip to Europe In-Reply-To: <70a871c80604192331m2ad6644cj65b579e49e4e77e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> <44470447.8050005@bigfoot.com> <70a871c80604192331m2ad6644cj65b579e49e4e77e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200604201327.11170.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 20 April 2006 07:31, Dmitry Baikov was like: > It turns out we have to drop UK and Chezh since they are out of > Schengen zone and need separate visas. Switzerland is not an option by > the same reason. > Sorry, I know each country is very interesting and beautiful and needs > a separate visit. But we want to get the "taste of europe" and look > for places we'll want to study deeper. Much as I would love to have the chance to meet up. I think your decision is wise. I think if you simply hop around a few big cities, you will not get a true experience of anywhere. This is especially true of the UK. Maybe next time you go travelling it would be worth planning to come here. Visit Scotland and Cornwall and lots of other places in between. London is overrated, and culturally might as well be a separate country. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Apr 20 08:43:23 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Apr 20 08:43:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour sound output problems In-Reply-To: <1145514492.444729fce369e@www1.helsinki.fi> References: <1145514492.444729fce369e@www1.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <200604201343.24123.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 20 April 2006 07:28, Sampo Savolainen was like: > Quoting tim hall : > > Does anyone have any useful insights into why ardour (0.99) so often > > starts up > > with no sound? - particularly if the last session was kicked out by jack > > > > (0.100.7). When it works it will run for a whole session, but I am having > > to > > reboot a little too often to get sound back for my liking. Restarting > > jack or > > alsa alone does not usually sort this. I am at such a loss to know how to > > > > debug this sort of problem > > Sounds like a denormal issue. More on them on > http://www.ardour.org/node/139 Thanks Sampo. This makes a lot of sense. Nice clear article. > Which plugins are you using in the session? I use TAP plugins and SC4 a lot. :| -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Apr 20 08:52:01 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Apr 20 08:52:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] First trip to Europe In-Reply-To: <44476966.6010809@woh.rr.com> References: <20060420104429.97921.qmail@web27007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44476966.6010809@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200604201352.01372.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 20 April 2006 11:58, Dave Phillips was like: > I'm curious: Is hitchhiking legal in Europe ? It is still just about legal in UK, although levels of government induced paranoia make it a lot more difficult and dangerous than it used to be, even 20 years ago. I would not recommend it as a plan. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From carotinobg at yahoo.it Wed Apr 19 19:13:31 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Thu Apr 20 09:00:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to properly apply effects in Ardour In-Reply-To: <4446B538.9010104@woh.rr.com> References: <44469EAD.1030006@boosthardware.com> <4446B538.9010104@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200604200113.31190.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi all! I'd like to know, how would you do in a situation like this: I have to put an effect on a track in Ardour, but only in a certain point, not affecting the whole extension of the track. What do you do to obtain this? Edit the track with an external software? Doubling the track? Routing a track to a purposely-created bus, and muting it where it's not needed? I suspect the later is the best way, am I right? Thansk! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Thu Apr 20 09:04:52 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Thu Apr 20 09:05:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to properly apply effects in Ardour In-Reply-To: <200604200113.31190.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <44469EAD.1030006@boosthardware.com> <4446B538.9010104@woh.rr.com> <200604200113.31190.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <444786F4.2010306@chapelperilous.net> Carotinho wrote: > I'd like to know, how would you do in a situation like this: I have to put an > effect on a track in Ardour, but only in a certain point, not affecting the > whole extension of the track. What do you do to obtain this? Edit the track > with an external software? Doubling the track? Routing a track to a > purposely-created bus, and muting it where it's not needed? I suspect the > later is the best way, am I right? You can use automation with plugins directly in the track, just like you can for pan and gain. http://www.ardour.org/manual/mixing/automation -- Brett -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From jh at brainiac.com Thu Apr 20 09:19:28 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Thu Apr 20 09:19:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour sound output problems In-Reply-To: <200604201343.24123.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <1145514492.444729fce369e@www1.helsinki.fi> <200604201343.24123.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060420091928.08eb7cb5.jh@brainiac.com> On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:43:23 +0100 tim hall wrote: > > Which plugins are you using in the session? > > I use TAP plugins and SC4 a lot. :| A datapoint here - I've been running into a lot of plugin/denormal issues on some sessions I've been working on. I'll run a playback, and when I hit stop, the system load would end up at 90-95%, and dropped to about 15% when I hit play again. I traced it to some EQ plugins, one from the swh collection that's part of the Planet CCRMA distribution and another (3 band parametric) from the TAP collection. When I substituted a different (and less flexible) EQs, the problem went away. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Apr 20 09:30:07 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Apr 20 09:30:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digigram VX Pocket firmware help please In-Reply-To: <44477887.7000604@yahoo.co.nz> References: <44477887.7000604@yahoo.co.nz> Message-ID: <200604201430.08041.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 20 April 2006 13:03, Hamish Low was like: > Hi, > I recently bought a VX Pocket V2. Great soundcard (on windows) and > finally one with linux drivers for my laptop (which will be great when > it works) > I've been trying various interpretations of the instructions on the ALSA > page. > http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Digigram& >card=VXpocket+440.&chip=Motorola+DSP&module=vxpocket > &card=VXpocket+440.&chip=Motorola+DSP&module=vxpocket> but still no luck. > I'm relatively new to linux and it's been a > crash-course getting this far. But I'm stuck and need some help. I > think maybe the instructions make assumptions about linux knowledge that > I don't have - like how do I turn on module support? I do not understand this either. You usually need to compile and install modules. IANAX - fairly sure that module support is enabled by default. > I'm using Demudi - a 2.6 kernel - I've installed the firmware through > synaptic OK, little warning about Linux mindsets. This is the 2.6.12-multimedia kernel? Most developers consider this to be out of date, but then most developers consider anything stable to be no longer worth supporting. You may get told to go compile a more recent kernel because it solves many other problems that they find boring, frustrating and a distraction from the work that they need to be getting on with. This does not necessarily mean that what you want to do is impossible. Hopefully there will be a more up-to-date DeMuDi kernel soon, but there is no timeline for this. If you do decide you need to rebuild your kernel, instructions are here: http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/Low-latencyKernelBuildingHowto Doing it the Debian way is about as painless as kernel building gets, but you are still going to have to get savvy about the configuration. > but also downloaded the latest stable alsa tools, utils, lib, drivers > and firmware packages as per the instructions. Also had to download gcc > and make and some other things > but it seems like the instructions are incomplete > make install says something about no path specified > ./configure doesn't work > make build says the same thing > not sure what to do next. Put Debian sources in your /etc/apt/source.list and apt-get install build essential > It said something about a newer kernel > but this shouldn't be necessary > as the linux drivers were working a few years ago. > and I don't want to do an apt-get dist-upgrade > because when I tried that nothing worked at all. Yep, do not dist-upgrade right now. The body of the ALSA Digigram VXpocket 440 page seems rather out of date and includes a lot of instructions that you should not need to deal with under DeMuDi. In fact they could be counter-productive. All you should have to do is compile / install / configure the modules. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Apr 20 09:45:28 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Apr 20 09:41:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: distorting Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <200604200328.39123.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <44469EAD.1030006@boosthardware.com> <4446B538.9010104@woh.rr.com> <200604200328.39123.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <1145540728.10666.344.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 03:28 +0100, tim hall wrote: > this case the LS developers are making it clear that they do not want to be > distributed by Debian. DFSG is very clear on this point. I think it is a > shame, but it is their software and they are entitled to license it exactly > how they choose. It does mean that LinuxSampler will never become the > flagship application that its name implies. Yeah, MO, sure. i heard an interesting comment from mike shaver of the firefox/mozilla project last year. he wondered openly why on earth they (mozilla.org) would actually want their software distributed by third parties. third parties who compile and package in ways beyond their control. this assumption that inclusion in a distro is the only way to get software to linux users needs careful examination. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Apr 20 09:46:02 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Apr 20 09:46:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour sound output problems In-Reply-To: <20060420091928.08eb7cb5.jh@brainiac.com> References: <1145514492.444729fce369e@www1.helsinki.fi> <200604201343.24123.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <20060420091928.08eb7cb5.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <200604201446.02992.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 20 April 2006 14:19, Joe Hartley was like: > On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:43:23 +0100 > > tim hall wrote: > > > Which plugins are you using in the session? > > > > I use TAP plugins and SC4 a lot. :| > > A datapoint here - I've been running into a lot of plugin/denormal issues > on some sessions I've been working on. I'll run a playback, and when I > hit stop, the system load would end up at 90-95%, and dropped to about 15% > when I hit play again. > > I traced it to some EQ plugins, one from the swh collection that's part > of the Planet CCRMA distribution and another (3 band parametric) from the > TAP collection. When I substituted a different (and less flexible) EQs, > the problem went away. OK, that does seem to explain some of my issues. It does not explain my 3 minute recording window, as that happens even with no plug-ins. However, the fact that I am running on only 320M RAM may have something to do with that. I see that the ardour site has a lot more information on it than the last time I looked, so there is plenty of material and potential clues to come. Thanks for all the pointers so far. It has really eased my sense of frustration. :) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Apr 20 09:57:14 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Apr 20 09:57:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen In-Reply-To: References: <1140401605.16545.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060420135714.GB9579@slinkp.com> I can understand not wanting to maintain it any more, but where'd the download go?? http://gazuga.net/files --> 404 -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Apr 20 10:25:31 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Apr 20 10:25:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: distorting Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <1145540728.10666.344.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200604200328.39123.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1145540728.10666.344.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200604201525.32012.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 20 April 2006 14:45, Paul Davis was like: > On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 03:28 +0100, tim hall wrote: > > this case the LS developers are making it clear that they do not want to > > be distributed by Debian. DFSG is very clear on this point. I think it is > > a shame, but it is their software and they are entitled to license it > > exactly how they choose. It does mean that LinuxSampler will never become > > the flagship application that its name implies. Yeah, MO, sure. > > i heard an interesting comment from mike shaver of the firefox/mozilla > project last year. he wondered openly why on earth they (mozilla.org) > would actually want their software distributed by third parties. third > parties who compile and package in ways beyond their control. > > this assumption that inclusion in a distro is the only way to get > software to linux users needs careful examination. That is an interesting and salient point. The way I see it, the point of a distro is to provide a stable base. It does not need to contain all the software under the sun. The fact that Debian or any other distro cannot distribute something really is not the end of the world. I am very happy to use non-commercial software myself, however currently that means seeking it out and usually compiling it. No big deal. Many users are lazy, stupid and want everything handed to them on a plate[0], they will use what they are given and moan when it does not do as they expect. Firefox has probably done enough promotion to maintain their market share, let?s face it, it is not distributed with MSWindows is it? I think LinuxSampler actually could use distro support at the moment and MO is that it will not achieve the flagship status that it may deserve otherwise. My experience of 3rd party distribution is that you have to allow people to take commercial advantage of your product to make distribution worthwhile. This brings up another whole load of issues that I do not want to go into right now. I do not see the need for all the apparent emotionality around the subject. Debian operates under a strict set of rules, which is what makes it different from other distros. I challenge the idea that Debian is somehow being mean by doing this. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim [0] I am fully aware that this is an appalling generalisation. ;) From fbar at footils.org Thu Apr 20 10:37:28 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Apr 20 10:37:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: distorting Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <1145475221.31023.11.camel@mindpipe> References: <1145475221.31023.11.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060420143727.GH16889@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > Why? It's their software, they can choose any license they want. They > just don't want to be ripped off by someone commercializing their > software and not paying them. According to their words: "COMMERCIAL USE of the souce code, libraries and applications is NOT ALLOWED without prior written permission by the LinuxSampler authors" no professional musician is allowed to use LinuxSampler except with a written permission. Goodbye LinuxSampler, it was nice to meet you, end of story. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From v2 at iki.fi Thu Apr 20 10:51:49 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Thu Apr 20 10:52:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to properly apply effects in Ardour In-Reply-To: <200604200113.31190.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <44469EAD.1030006@boosthardware.com> <4446B538.9010104@woh.rr.com> <200604200113.31190.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <1145544710.7314.1.camel@puppeli> On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 01:13 +0200, Carotinho wrote: > Hi all! > > I'd like to know, how would you do in a situation like this: I have to put an > effect on a track in Ardour, but only in a certain point, not affecting the > whole extension of the track. What do you do to obtain this? Edit the track > with an external software? Doubling the track? Routing a track to a > purposely-created bus, and muting it where it's not needed? I suspect the > later is the best way, am I right? This has been asked and answered to in the ardour forum titled "How do I ... ?" :) See http://www.ardour.org/node/169 -- Sampo Savolainen From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Apr 20 11:03:49 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Apr 20 11:03:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: distorting Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <20060420143727.GH16889@fliwatut.scifi> References: <1145475221.31023.11.camel@mindpipe> <20060420143727.GH16889@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <4447A2D5.8090706@woh.rr.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: >According to their words: "COMMERCIAL USE of the souce code, libraries >and applications is NOT ALLOWED without prior written permission by >the LinuxSampler authors" no professional musician is allowed to use >LinuxSampler except with a written permission. > > Frank, where did you get this text ? It's not the text I quoted from the LS README : "The LinuxSampler library (liblinuxsampler) and its applications are distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License (see COPYING file), but with the EXCEPTION that they may NOT be used in COMMERCIAL software or hardware products without prior written authorization by the authors." This is from recent CVS sources. Best, dp From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Apr 20 11:04:45 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Apr 20 11:05:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen In-Reply-To: <20060420135714.GB9579@slinkp.com> References: <1140401605.16545.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060420135714.GB9579@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <200604201704.45866.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Thursday 20 April 2006 15:57, Paul Winkler wrote: > I can understand not wanting to maintain it any more, > but where'd the download go?? > http://gazuga.net/files --> 404 Hi Paul. I'd downloaded the tar.gz while it was still there. If you want it I'll send it. Nigel. From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Apr 20 11:37:59 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Apr 20 11:38:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen In-Reply-To: <200604201704.45866.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <1140401605.16545.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060420135714.GB9579@slinkp.com> <200604201704.45866.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20060420153759.GC9579@slinkp.com> On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 05:04:45PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Thursday 20 April 2006 15:57, Paul Winkler wrote: > > I can understand not wanting to maintain it any more, > > but where'd the download go?? > > http://gazuga.net/files --> 404 > > Hi Paul. I'd downloaded the tar.gz while it was still there. If you want it > I'll send it. > Nigel. Thanks, but it's not just me... the recently-mentioned proaudio overlay for gentoo included a specimen ebuild, which no longer works due to the 404 :-( Anybody care to host the tarball? -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk Thu Apr 20 11:38:57 2006 From: errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk (Martin Habets) Date: Thu Apr 20 11:40:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LKML: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) In-Reply-To: <20060418121945.608189a4@mango.fruits> References: <5bdc1c8b0604171404u378547acjd5f909427ad43eb4@mail.gmail.com> <20060418121945.608189a4@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <20060420153857.GA4371@palantir8> On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 12:19:45PM +0200, Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:04:41 -0700 > "Mark Knecht" wrote: > > > Hi, > > This thread is happening on the Linux Kernel Mailing List. Since > > I'm not a programmer I don't understand the full ramifications. Can > > someone here tell me would this render the realtime-lsm module > > unusable and if so what would I have to do to get realtime operation > > without realtime-lsm? > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > That would soooo suck, as my favourite distro is debian and the feature > wishlist item for rtlimits enabled PAM is already several months old. I > suppose they'll probably take another year to apply the goddamn patch to > libpam. Probably longer, as I dont expect this to make the release the wanna put out this year (is that etch?). It could be another 18 months after that before the next one comes along. > Maybe it is time to switch distros. Do [K]Ubuntu have this already? Since the problem is cause by the kernel, I'll probably fix it there by undoing the patch that removes the realtime-lsm hooks. No need to switch distro. -- Martin From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Apr 20 11:40:49 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Apr 20 11:41:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: distorting Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <4447A2D5.8090706@woh.rr.com> References: <1145475221.31023.11.camel@mindpipe> <20060420143727.GH16889@fliwatut.scifi> <4447A2D5.8090706@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060420154049.GD9579@slinkp.com> On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 11:03:49AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Frank Barknecht wrote: > > >According to their words: "COMMERCIAL USE of the souce code, libraries > >and applications is NOT ALLOWED without prior written permission by > >the LinuxSampler authors" no professional musician is allowed to use > >LinuxSampler except with a written permission. > > > > > Frank, where did you get this text ? It's not the text I quoted from the > LS README : > > "The LinuxSampler library (liblinuxsampler) and its applications are > distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License (see > COPYING file), but with the EXCEPTION that they may NOT be used in > COMMERCIAL software or hardware products without prior written > authorization by the authors." > > This is from recent CVS sources. Yep, they're basically trying to mutate the GPL into the old Csound license. There are no restrictions on selling music made with LinuxSampler. There are restrictions on selling LinuxSampler itself. Personally I don't get what all the fuss is about. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From tdhoward at gmail.com Thu Apr 20 11:42:36 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Thu Apr 20 11:43:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Advice on FC5 Message-ID: Hello everyone, I need some advice (OK, a lot of advice) on what to do with my Linux installation. Right now I am running FC3 + PlanetCCRMA, and I'm enjoying it a lot. I'm using Ardour, Hydrogen, and a few other JACK compliant apps. However, I have a few reasons for wanting to reinstall and/or upgrade my distro. #1 I recently got some new hard drives which I would like to install. #2 FC5 has just been released, and I'm curious to see what it's like. #3 I tried to upgrade glibc on my current installation, and I "broke" it. I have pieced it back into a functioning system again, but I doubt it will ever quite be the same. My first question is: Do I want to go to FC5? I don't think PlanetCCRMA has anything for it yet, but I'm thinking of running it OOTB. Is it usable for some simple use of JACK and friends? I hear that it wouldn't have low latency. Is this true, and does that affect me if I'm only recording one or two tracks at a time? Any help on this would be appreciated! Thanks, -TimH From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Apr 20 11:51:29 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Apr 20 11:51:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to un-ipod some m4a songs. In-Reply-To: <443DAD37.1070007@sbcglobal.net> References: <443BA5F7.2010705@sbcglobal.net> <1144888325.28232.30.camel@mindpipe> <20060413005820.GA5097@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <1144890540.28232.34.camel@mindpipe> <443DAD37.1070007@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1145548291.3008.12.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-04-12 at 20:45 -0500, Brian Dunn wrote: > >Thanks! I was under the impression it was harder. Isn't it impossible > >under Windows without a specialized app to mount the partition with the > >audio files and copy them to your hard drive? Was that just a silly > >iTunes/driver restriction? > > > >Lee > > > > > > > > > Actually it was a little easier than that for me since i have a complete > gnome2 instalation with dbus, hal and gvm (gnome-volume-manager). then > the iPod is automatcally mounted in /mount/ipod. all you have to do is > point gtkpod to it with its menu options and whalah. I even opted to > have gtkpod automaicaly open when the iPod is pluged in, and it unmounts > the iPod when i close it. and they say linux isn't user friendly. ;-) > ( is it just me, or is gtkpod 10x faster than iTunes? ) > This does not work for me. What distro are you on? I made sure gnome-volume-manager, dbus and hal are installed. But when I launch gtkpod I get: '/media/ipod/iPod_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB' does not exist. Import aborted. In fact /media/ipod does not exist. If I create it and mount the thing manually I get permissions errors. How is this supposed to work? Is gnome-volume-manager supposed to create the /media/ipod directory? Should it already exist? What are the correct permissions? Lee From fbar at footils.org Thu Apr 20 11:52:29 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Apr 20 11:52:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: distorting Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <4447A2D5.8090706@woh.rr.com> References: <1145475221.31023.11.camel@mindpipe> <20060420143727.GH16889@fliwatut.scifi> <4447A2D5.8090706@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060420155229.GI16889@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Dave Phillips hat gesagt: // Dave Phillips wrote: > Frank Barknecht wrote: > > >According to their words: "COMMERCIAL USE of the souce code, libraries > >and applications is NOT ALLOWED without prior written permission by > >the LinuxSampler authors" no professional musician is allowed to use > >LinuxSampler except with a written permission. > > > > > Frank, where did you get this text ? It's not the text I quoted from the > LS README : Oh. I got the other version from: http://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Apr 20 12:08:33 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu Apr 20 12:09:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: distorting Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <4447A2D5.8090706@woh.rr.com> References: <20060420143727.GH16889@fliwatut.scifi> <4447A2D5.8090706@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200604201208.33782.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 20 April 2006 11:03, Dave Phillips wrote: >Frank Barknecht wrote: >>According to their words: "COMMERCIAL USE of the souce code, >> libraries and applications is NOT ALLOWED without prior written >> permission by the LinuxSampler authors" no professional musician is >> allowed to use LinuxSampler except with a written permission. > >Frank, where did you get this text ? It's not the text I quoted from > the LS README : > >"The LinuxSampler library (liblinuxsampler) and its applications are >distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License (see >COPYING file), but with the EXCEPTION that they may NOT be used in >COMMERCIAL software or hardware products without prior written >authorization by the authors." Its my understanding of the GPL that you CANNOT apply additional restrictions and still call it "GPL". I'd suggest they consult with an attorney before they write such foolery. >This is from recent CVS sources. > >Best, > >dp -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Apr 20 12:14:22 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Apr 20 12:10:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to un-ipod some m4a songs. In-Reply-To: <1145548291.3008.12.camel@mindpipe> References: <443BA5F7.2010705@sbcglobal.net> <1144888325.28232.30.camel@mindpipe> <20060413005820.GA5097@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <1144890540.28232.34.camel@mindpipe> <443DAD37.1070007@sbcglobal.net> <1145548291.3008.12.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1145549662.10666.357.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 11:51 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > I made sure gnome-volume-manager, dbus and hal are installed. But when > I launch gtkpod I get: > > '/media/ipod/iPod_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB' does not exist. Import > aborted. > > In fact /media/ipod does not exist. If I create it and mount the thing > manually I get permissions errors. > > How is this supposed to work? Is gnome-volume-manager supposed to > create the /media/ipod directory? Should it already exist? What are > the correct permissions? lee, make sure you turn off journalling on the ipod first. you'll need a mac os x system, and use the diskutil(1) tool. linux will only mount the ipod as a read-only FS if journalling is enabled, because the current linux support for journalling on HFS+ is not believed to be robust enough. --p From jstutters at jeremah.co.uk Thu Apr 20 12:19:30 2006 From: jstutters at jeremah.co.uk (Jonny Stutters) Date: Thu Apr 20 12:19:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen In-Reply-To: <20060420153759.GC9579@slinkp.com> References: <1140401605.16545.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060420135714.GB9579@slinkp.com> <200604201704.45866.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20060420153759.GC9579@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <4447B492.2060003@jeremah.co.uk> Paul Winkler wrote: > On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 05:04:45PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote: >> On Thursday 20 April 2006 15:57, Paul Winkler wrote: >>> I can understand not wanting to maintain it any more, >>> but where'd the download go?? >>> http://gazuga.net/files --> 404 >> Hi Paul. I'd downloaded the tar.gz while it was still there. If you want it >> I'll send it. >> Nigel. > > Thanks, but it's not just me... > the recently-mentioned proaudio overlay for gentoo included > a specimen ebuild, which no longer works due to the 404 :-( > > Anybody care to host the tarball? I've uploaded a copy of specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz (the most recent on my disk) to: http://jeremah.co.uk/downloads/linux/specimen/specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz I'm happy to host for the foreseeable future. If anyone's got a more recent copy let me know and I'll get that up as well. -- Jonny Music - http://jeremah.co.uk News - http://voxpolis.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Apr 20 12:24:04 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Apr 20 12:24:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to un-ipod some m4a songs. In-Reply-To: <1145549662.10666.357.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <443BA5F7.2010705@sbcglobal.net> <1144888325.28232.30.camel@mindpipe> <20060413005820.GA5097@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <1144890540.28232.34.camel@mindpipe> <443DAD37.1070007@sbcglobal.net> <1145548291.3008.12.camel@mindpipe> <1145549662.10666.357.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1145550244.3070.12.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 12:14 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 11:51 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > I made sure gnome-volume-manager, dbus and hal are installed. But when > > I launch gtkpod I get: > > > > '/media/ipod/iPod_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB' does not exist. Import > > aborted. > > > > In fact /media/ipod does not exist. If I create it and mount the thing > > manually I get permissions errors. > > > > How is this supposed to work? Is gnome-volume-manager supposed to > > create the /media/ipod directory? Should it already exist? What are > > the correct permissions? > > lee, make sure you turn off journalling on the ipod first. you'll need a > mac os x system, and use the diskutil(1) tool. linux will only mount the > ipod as a read-only FS if journalling is enabled, because the current > linux support for journalling on HFS+ is not believed to be robust > enough. It's a Windows formatted ipod - the first partition I can't mount, the seconds seems to have the music on it and is a vfat FS. It does work if I mount it by hand from a terminal so this seems to be a Gnome issue. Thanks, Lee From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Apr 20 12:30:34 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Apr 20 12:32:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No More Specimen In-Reply-To: <4447B492.2060003@jeremah.co.uk> References: <1140401605.16545.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060420135714.GB9579@slinkp.com> <200604201704.45866.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20060420153759.GC9579@slinkp.com> <4447B492.2060003@jeremah.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060420163034.GF9579@slinkp.com> On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 05:19:30PM +0100, Jonny Stutters wrote: > I've uploaded a copy of specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz (the most recent on my > disk) to: > http://jeremah.co.uk/downloads/linux/specimen/specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz > > I'm happy to host for the foreseeable future. If anyone's got a more > recent copy let me know and I'll get that up as well. Great! I found a copy of 0.5.1 on my drive. Email me privately if you want it. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From listreader at lupulin.net Thu Apr 20 12:43:58 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Thu Apr 20 12:45:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to un-ipod some m4a songs. In-Reply-To: <1145549662.10666.357.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <443BA5F7.2010705@sbcglobal.net> <1144888325.28232.30.camel@mindpipe> <20060413005820.GA5097@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <1144890540.28232.34.camel@mindpipe> <443DAD37.1070007@sbcglobal.net> <1145548291.3008.12.camel@mindpipe> <1145549662.10666.357.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060420164358.GA9485@seraph.office.techtarget.com> On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 12:14:22PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 11:51 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > How is this supposed to work? Is gnome-volume-manager supposed to > > create the /media/ipod directory? Should it already exist? What are > > the correct permissions? > > lee, make sure you turn off journalling on the ipod first. you'll need a > mac os x system, and use the diskutil(1) tool. linux will only mount the > ipod as a read-only FS if journalling is enabled, because the current > linux support for journalling on HFS+ is not believed to be robust > enough. This is only assuming that you are using a Mac-formatted ipod. I don't see it mentioned if the ipod in question is formatted for Winodws or Mac. -- paul w From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Apr 20 12:50:57 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Apr 20 12:51:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] No =?iso-8859-1?q?More=09Specimen?= In-Reply-To: <4447B492.2060003@jeremah.co.uk> References: <1140401605.16545.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060420153759.GC9579@slinkp.com> <4447B492.2060003@jeremah.co.uk> Message-ID: <200604201850.57477.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Thursday 20 April 2006 18:19, Jonny Stutters wrote: > Paul Winkler wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 05:04:45PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote: > >> On Thursday 20 April 2006 15:57, Paul Winkler wrote: > >>> I can understand not wanting to maintain it any more, > >>> but where'd the download go?? > >>> http://gazuga.net/files --> 404 > >> > >> Hi Paul. I'd downloaded the tar.gz while it was still there. If you want > >> it I'll send it. > >> Nigel. > > > > Thanks, but it's not just me... > > the recently-mentioned proaudio overlay for gentoo included > > a specimen ebuild, which no longer works due to the 404 :-( > > > > Anybody care to host the tarball? > > I've uploaded a copy of specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz (the most recent on my > disk) to: > http://jeremah.co.uk/downloads/linux/specimen/specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz > > I'm happy to host for the foreseeable future. If anyone's got a more > recent copy let me know and I'll get that up as well. Hi Jonny. I've got 0.5.1 if you want it. Nigel. From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Apr 20 12:54:42 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Thu Apr 20 12:54:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: distorting Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <20060420154049.GD9579@slinkp.com> References: <1145475221.31023.11.camel@mindpipe> <20060420143727.GH16889@fliwatut.scifi> <4447A2D5.8090706@woh.rr.com> <20060420154049.GD9579@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20060420185442.0daa8b71@mango.fruits> On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:40:49 -0400 Paul Winkler wrote: > Yep, they're basically trying to mutate the GPL into the old Csound > license. There are no restrictions on selling music made with > LinuxSampler. There are restrictions on selling LinuxSampler itself. > > Personally I don't get what all the fuss is about. Licenses are of great importance. The LS license doesn't look like a real license to me, because of the often mentioned points (one of them which i raised but never got any answer to is that prior to changing the license of a GPL project every contributor has to be asked if it's allright with them except for the case that