From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 02:03:12 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Aug 1 02:03:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> Message-ID: On 8/1/06, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > New tune made with GNU/Linux ready for download: > http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org/index_en.html#kanskjeno > > I used lots of stuff on this one, AMS, Seq24, Ardour, Hydrogen and lots > of LADSPA plugins. > > Comments are welcome... > > -- > Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! > http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org > This is damn good! DAMN GOOD. Now i just have to convince you to swap from AMS to Om/Ingen for your next track so i can use your patches ;) I'm all round pretty impressed with it. It sounds really well done. Which hydrogen kit did you use? or one you made yourself? I think all of us on lad could use some drum pattern programming help from you. ;) Loki From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Aug 1 02:57:16 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue Aug 1 02:58:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <44CEFB4C.9050207@boosthardware.com> Hi, Nice work Johannes. This one is good enough for me to incorporate into a dubby style set. I'll add it to my set in Bangkok on Friday 11 Aug. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 03:03:17 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Aug 1 03:03:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: <44CEFB4C.9050207@boosthardware.com> References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> <44CEFB4C.9050207@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: On 8/1/06, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Hi, > > Nice work Johannes. > > This one is good enough for me to incorporate into a dubby style set. > > I'll add it to my set in Bangkok on Friday 11 Aug. > Are you going to be in Bangkok in december? I'm probably going to spend a few days there before spending a while in laos. Loki From t_w_ at freenet.de Tue Aug 1 03:29:28 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Tue Aug 1 03:29:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <20060801072928.GA7275@charly.SWORD> On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 09:58:17PM +0200, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org/index_en.html#kanskjeno The voices are so great. Also love the beats, except maybe in places where they're down to the basics a bit long. Thanks for sharing! -- Thorsten Wilms From mdeboer at iua.upf.edu Tue Aug 1 04:09:46 2006 From: mdeboer at iua.upf.edu (Maarten de Boer) Date: Tue Aug 1 04:10:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine: update In-Reply-To: <44CBE888.8090807@woh.rr.com> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> <44CA7371.4080102@tobiah.org> <44CA88FD.8030603@woh.rr.com> <1154123396.2927.194.camel@mindpipe> <44CA9A08.5000009@woh.rr.com> <44CBE888.8090807@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060801100946.2d77abb4.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> Dave, Note that some Antec PSU (the NeoHE 430 is notorious for this) need a minimum load of 1A on the +12V rails in order to work. Maarten On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:00:24 -0400 Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > My brother brought his meter, checked out the PSU. It's dead as dead, > which is actually good news. I'll get a new one, try again. > > Thanks again to everyone helping out. :) > > Best, > > dp > > > From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Aug 1 04:34:21 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue Aug 1 04:35:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> <44CEFB4C.9050207@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44CF120D.4000607@boosthardware.com> Loki Davison wrote: > On 8/1/06, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Nice work Johannes. >> >> This one is good enough for me to incorporate into a dubby style set. >> >> I'll add it to my set in Bangkok on Friday 11 Aug. >> > > Are you going to be in Bangkok in december? I'm probably going to > spend a few days there before spending a while in laos. > Yeah probably. I can set up a gig if your interested. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com Tue Aug 1 04:52:20 2006 From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Tue Aug 1 04:51:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Histogram In-Reply-To: <44CCBFA3.6090604@gmx.net> References: <44C9E7E4.4000408@herhoffer.net> <200607292000.04118.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> <44CCBFA3.6090604@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200608010952.20794.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> On Sunday 30 Jul 2006 15:18, Dragan Noveski wrote: > nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/sonic/sonic-visualiser$ qmake > sonic-visualiser.pro:86: Unknown test function: for You're using the qmake from Qt3. You need the one from Qt4 (as well as the rest of the Qt4 development package). Chris From jri at broadpark.no Tue Aug 1 06:16:21 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Tue Aug 1 06:16:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: <20060731231947.GO12427@fitz.Belkin> References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> <20060731231947.GO12427@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <44CF29F5.9040709@broadpark.no> james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Mon, 31 Jul, 2006 at 09:58PM +0200, Johannes Mario Ringheim spake thus: >> New tune made with GNU/Linux ready for download: >> http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org/index_en.html#kanskjeno >> >> I used lots of stuff on this one, AMS, Seq24, Ardour, Hydrogen and lots >> of LADSPA plugins. >> >> Comments are welcome... > > Wow! I love this, I really do. Thanks! > The "woo" vocal - is that actually a voice? Indeed. She used to live across the hall, so I was lucky to get her to record a couple of tracks. It was all improvised, and I picked out the pieces I needed afterwards. But for the most it's sung the way you hear it, no autotune and no nasty tricks... > How did you achieve the scratches? Were they put into the samples? > Added to the individual tracks before final mix? Not sure what you mean by "put into the samples". I recorded them with Ardour, as with any track. One of the longer jazz-samples is ended with an echo scratch (2:38). > For me, this is the new poster-boy for Free music and Free music > software. Hehe! Anytime ;) I guess the girl who's singing would be nicer for the poster, though... -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Aug 1 06:24:03 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Aug 1 06:23:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: <44CF29F5.9040709@broadpark.no> References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> <20060731231947.GO12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF29F5.9040709@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <20060801102403.GQ12427@fitz.Belkin> On Tue, 01 Aug, 2006 at 12:16PM +0200, Johannes Mario Ringheim spake thus: > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > >On Mon, 31 Jul, 2006 at 09:58PM +0200, Johannes Mario Ringheim spake thus: > >>New tune made with GNU/Linux ready for download: > >>http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org/index_en.html#kanskjeno > >> > >>I used lots of stuff on this one, AMS, Seq24, Ardour, Hydrogen and lots > >>of LADSPA plugins. > >> > >>Comments are welcome... > > > >Wow! I love this, I really do. > > Thanks! > > >The "woo" vocal - is that actually a voice? > > Indeed. She used to live across the hall, so I was lucky to get her to > record a couple of tracks. It was all improvised, and I picked out the > pieces I needed afterwards. But for the most it's sung the way you hear > it, no autotune and no nasty tricks... > > >How did you achieve the scratches? Were they put into the samples? > >Added to the individual tracks before final mix? > > Not sure what you mean by "put into the samples". I recorded them with > Ardour, as with any track. One of the longer jazz-samples is ended with > an echo scratch (2:38). I mean: did you record a dry track and then scratch it, make a few special scratched samples to play back when you needed them, recorded from a real turntable (!), or what? Or is the Jazz sample a long found sample? But, the beat! That scratched too, didn't it? > >For me, this is the new poster-boy for Free music and Free music > >software. > > Hehe! Anytime ;) > I guess the girl who's singing would be nicer for the poster, though... > From jri at broadpark.no Tue Aug 1 06:24:32 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Tue Aug 1 06:24:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <44CF2BE0.6010205@broadpark.no> Loki Davison wrote: > This is damn good! DAMN GOOD. Now i just have to convince you to swap > from AMS to Om/Ingen for your next track so i can use your patches ;) Thanks! Thanks! You don't have to convince me, I already tried Om and I'm convinced ;) > I'm all round pretty impressed with it. It sounds really well done. > Which hydrogen kit did you use? or one you made yourself? Made it myself, except I think the 808 kick is from one of the kits. The thump-part of the kick is from some obscure german 7" with a cover of james brown's "make it funky" on it, and the clap is from Rick James, b-side of Superfreak 7". > I think all of us on lad could use some drum pattern programming help > from you. ;) Generally I try to make the drum machine sound like a drum machine, not a drummer. If I need live sounding drums i'll rather have them recorded for real or use a drum loop. There are records with just drums for this use, the Ubiquity label has some. It also might be fun to pick parts from those drumrecords and use them in Hydrogen. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Aug 1 08:11:01 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Aug 1 07:55:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: <20060801102403.GQ12427@fitz.Belkin> References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> <20060731231947.GO12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF29F5.9040709@broadpark.no> <20060801102403.GQ12427@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <44CF44D5.1020107@woh.rr.com> james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: >>>How did you achieve the scratches? Were they put into the samples? >>>Added to the individual tracks before final mix? >>> >>> >>Not sure what you mean by "put into the samples". I recorded them with >>Ardour, as with any track. One of the longer jazz-samples is ended with >>an echo scratch (2:38). >> >> > >I mean: did you record a dry track and then scratch it, make a few >special scratched samples to play back when you needed them, recorded >from a real turntable (!), or what? > > Sounds like the LADSPA vinyl scratch plugin. >>>For me, this is the new poster-boy for Free music and Free music >>>software. >>> >>> >>Hehe! Anytime ;) >>I guess the girl who's singing would be nicer for the poster, though... >> >> Excellent work, I loved it. Please make more. :) Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Aug 1 08:16:26 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Aug 1 08:00:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nVidia MCP51 HDA In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607311812w329b412amfdd0ed40a881c7c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0607290726u13669bfdjc07816f155cfd68f@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607290746g473c767dkd2fdda23e6f93b@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607291020s3f81a9d9y106e03e1ee245b61@mail.gmail.com> <20060731072330.GA17817@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <5bdc1c8b0607310743v7a2da706pda3d73e4b247d1ba@mail.gmail.com> <1154389498.2927.345.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607311708p4834e0f7o3e99c0525054d809@mail.gmail.com> <1154391940.2927.360.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607311729h43426303uc7646b80853e4e69@mail.gmail.com> <1154393957.2927.364.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607311812w329b412amfdd0ed40a881c7c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44CF461A.601@woh.rr.com> Mark Knecht wrote: > OK, I'll play along. I'm a new user setting up a new machine. I > don't know what driver to build. How do I find out without resorting > to joining lists or doing long, boring web searches. I looked at the > alsa-project.org sound card lists didn't show it. It only listed the > intel8x0 driver which was all I built before I started writing emails. --with-cards=all That oughta do it. :) > And alsaconf worked just fine, but only once the driver was built. > My original thought, which seemed innocent enough, was that alsaconf > understood all the PCI IDs and then determined what driver to put in > modprobe.conf from that. Apparently not. Indeed. I got bit by this one recently. I was surprised when alsaconf didn't report the existence of my PCI128. lspci could see it, but not alsaconf, *until* I built and installed the ens1371 driver. So the --with-cards=all option really is the best way to go for anyone who doesn't know for sure what hardware is in their system or which driver they need for the hardware. Best, dp From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Tue Aug 1 08:14:49 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Tue Aug 1 08:15:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Advice on desktop/platform Message-ID: <1154434489.30371.191.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Dear All, I'm running Suse 9.3 on a reasonable machine. (1.6GHz AMD athlon, 512MB ram). My studio at the moment consists of Rosegarden, Hydrogen, zynaddsubfx, qsynth and Ardour(when I don't get CPU overflows). I've been using KDE, and upon reccomendation I tried FVWM as it's lighter, but I had the same number (lots!) of xruns and problems. It did run slightly better; I had 9 extra megs of ram free but realistically I want no xruns. I'm not running a patched kernel as I'm unable to find out what patches SUSE needs to run that conflict with the realtime patches. My kernel is 2.6.11 atm. Any advice? Apologies as this is really trivial; it's just that I have very little idea what to do about it. -- Jonty Needham From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Aug 1 09:05:16 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Aug 1 09:05:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: <44CF44D5.1020107@woh.rr.com> References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> <20060731231947.GO12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF29F5.9040709@broadpark.no> <20060801102403.GQ12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF44D5.1020107@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060801130516.GR12427@fitz.Belkin> On Tue, 01 Aug, 2006 at 08:11AM -0400, Dave Phillips spake thus: > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > >>>How did you achieve the scratches? Were they put into the samples? > >>>Added to the individual tracks before final mix? > >>> > >>> > >>Not sure what you mean by "put into the samples". I recorded them with > >>Ardour, as with any track. One of the longer jazz-samples is ended with > >>an echo scratch (2:38). > >> > >> > > > >I mean: did you record a dry track and then scratch it, make a few > >special scratched samples to play back when you needed them, recorded > >from a real turntable (!), or what? > > > > > Sounds like the LADSPA vinyl scratch plugin. Ahh, I see the confusion. I meant the turntable scratching, not the noise-type scratches. :) > >>>For me, this is the new poster-boy for Free music and Free music > >>>software. > >>> > >>> > >>Hehe! Anytime ;) > >>I guess the girl who's singing would be nicer for the poster, though... > >> > >> > Excellent work, I loved it. Please make more. :) > > Best, > > dp > > From listreader at lupulin.net Tue Aug 1 09:23:28 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Tue Aug 1 09:24:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nVidia MCP51 HDA In-Reply-To: <44CF461A.601@woh.rr.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0607290726u13669bfdjc07816f155cfd68f@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607290746g473c767dkd2fdda23e6f93b@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607291020s3f81a9d9y106e03e1ee245b61@mail.gmail.com> <20060731072330.GA17817@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <5bdc1c8b0607310743v7a2da706pda3d73e4b247d1ba@mail.gmail.com> <1154389498.2927.345.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607311708p4834e0f7o3e99c0525054d809@mail.gmail.com> <1154391940.2927.360.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607311729h43426303uc7646b80853e4e69@mail.gmail.com> <1154393957.2927.364.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607311812w329b412amfdd0ed40a881c7c5@mail.gmail.com> <44CF461A.601@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44CF55D0.3030806@lupulin.net> Dave Phillips wrote: > Indeed. I got bit by this one recently. I was surprised when alsaconf > didn't report the existence of my PCI128. I think all that alsaconf does is try to load each available driver until one works. So if you don't have the driver, it can't try and load it in the 1st place. -- paul w From perodog at gmx.net Tue Aug 1 09:42:31 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Tue Aug 1 09:42:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Histogram In-Reply-To: <200608010952.20794.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> References: <44C9E7E4.4000408@herhoffer.net> <200607292000.04118.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> <44CCBFA3.6090604@gmx.net> <200608010952.20794.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> Message-ID: <44CF5A47.20504@gmx.net> hi and thanks for the response. obviously you are right, i changed the entry in .bash_profile to pointing the qt4, now qmake works and i get the Makefile. nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/sonic/sonic-visualiser$ qmake Project MESSAGE: Using pkg-config package mad with version 0.15.0b Project MESSAGE: Using pkg-config package fftw3 with version 3.1.1 Project MESSAGE: Using pkg-config package sndfile with version 1.0.15 Project MESSAGE: Using pkg-config package samplerate with version 0.1.2 Project MESSAGE: Using pkg-config package lrdf with version 0.4.0 Project MESSAGE: Using pkg-config package raptor with version 1.4.9 Project MESSAGE: Using pkg-config package jack with version 0.102.11 Project MESSAGE: WARNING: PortAudio audio playback support will not be included Project MESSAGE: Including JACK support for audio playback Project MESSAGE: WARNING: .ogg file import will not be included Project MESSAGE: Including .mp3 file import nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/sonic/sonic-visualiser$ typing make after it, i get this error: nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/sonic/sonic-visualiser$ make g++ -c -pipe -I/usr/local/include -O2 -DNDEBUG -O2 -march=pentium3 -mfpmath=sse -ffast-math -DBUILD_RELEASE -Wall -W -D_REENTRANT -DHAVE_VAMP -DHAVE_BZ2 -DHAVE_MAD -D'MAD_VERSION="0.15.0B" ' -DHAVE_FFTW3 -D'FFTW3_VERSION="3.1.1" ' -DHAVE_SNDFILE -D'SNDFILE_VERSION="1.0.15" ' -DHAVE_SAMPLERATE -D'SAMPLERATE_VERSION="0.1.2" ' -DHAVE_LRDF -D'LRDF_VERSION="0.4.0" ' -DHAVE_RAPTOR -D'RAPTOR_VERSION="1.4.9" ' -DHAVE_JACK -D'JACK_VERSION="0.102.11" ' -D'SVNREV="exportiert "' -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_XML_LIB -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -I/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++ -I. -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4/QtXml -I/usr/include/qt4 -I../vamp-plugin-sdk -I. -Iaudioio -Ibase -Imodel -Iplugin -Iplugin/api/alsa -Ifileio -Imain -Iwidgets -Iview -Iplugin/api -Iplugin/api/alsa/sound -Itmp_moc -I. -o tmp_obj/AudioCallbackPlaySource.o audioio/AudioCallbackPlaySource.cpp In file included from ./model/SparseOneDimensionalModel.h:21, from audioio/AudioCallbackPlaySource.cpp:24: ./base/RealTime.h:24:31: error: vamp-sdk/RealTime.h: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden ./base/RingBuffer.h: In destructor 'virtual RingBuffer::~RingBuffer()': ./base/RingBuffer.h:201: warning: right-hand operand of comma has no effect ./base/RingBuffer.h: In member function 'void RingBuffer::resize(size_t)': ./base/RingBuffer.h:230: warning: right-hand operand of comma has no effect ./base/RealTime.h: At global scope: ./base/RealTime.h:25: error: 'Vamp' has not been declared ./base/RealTime.h:25: error: expected nested-name-specifier before 'RealTime' ./base/RealTime.h:25: error: 'RealTime' has not been declared ./model/SparseOneDimensionalModel.h: In member function 'QString OneDimensionalPoint::toDelimitedDataString(QString, size_t) const': ./model/SparseOneDimensionalModel.h:44: error: 'RealTime' has not been declared ./model/SparseOneDimensionalModel.h:44: error: 'frame2RealTime' was not declared in this scope audioio/AudioCallbackPlaySource.cpp: At global scope: audioio/AudioCallbackPlaySource.cpp:372: warning: unused parameter 'params' audioio/AudioCallbackPlaySource.cpp: In member function 'virtual size_t AudioCallbackPlaySource::getCurrentPlayingFrame()': audioio/AudioCallbackPlaySource.cpp:464: warning: unused variable 'rangeStart' ./base/RingBuffer.h: In destructor 'RingBuffer::~RingBuffer() [with T = float, int N = 1]': audioio/AudioCallbackPlaySource.h:203: instantiated from here ./base/RingBuffer.h:201: warning: right-hand operand of comma has no effect make: *** [tmp_obj/AudioCallbackPlaySource.o] Fehler 1 nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/sonic/sonic-visualiser$ -i installed qm-vamp-plugins.so copying it into /usr/local/lib/vamp -i installed aubio-0.3.1 -i tried to install vamp-aubio-plugins, but there i get some vamp-sdk error. as i see, the vamp stuff is required, but can you perhaps tell me which sort of vamp i should get/how to deal with the vamp-sdk stuff? hope you dont get nerved because of this lot of questions, but i really dont move reading README/INSTALL files. cheers, doc Chris Cannam wrote: > On Sunday 30 Jul 2006 15:18, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >> nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/sonic/sonic-visualiser$ qmake >> sonic-visualiser.pro:86: Unknown test function: for >> > > You're using the qmake from Qt3. You need the one from Qt4 (as well as > the rest of the Qt4 development package). > > > Chris > > > From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com Tue Aug 1 09:52:40 2006 From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Tue Aug 1 09:52:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Histogram In-Reply-To: <44CF5A47.20504@gmx.net> References: <44C9E7E4.4000408@herhoffer.net> <200608010952.20794.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> <44CF5A47.20504@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200608011452.40406.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> On Tuesday 01 Aug 2006 14:42, Dragan Noveski wrote: > as i see, the vamp stuff is required, but can you perhaps tell me > which sort of vamp i should get/how to deal with the vamp-sdk stuff? You need the vamp-plugin-sdk package from the same SourceForge download page as Sonic Visualiser. Unpack it into the same directory as you put Sonic Visualiser, and build it in place (it just has a simple Makefile and no installer). You may want the oggz and fishsound libraries as well for Ogg file import (the qmake configuration reported it couldn't find them). Chris From perodog at gmx.net Tue Aug 1 10:33:39 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Tue Aug 1 10:33:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Histogram In-Reply-To: <200608011452.40406.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> References: <44C9E7E4.4000408@herhoffer.net> <200608010952.20794.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> <44CF5A47.20504@gmx.net> <200608011452.40406.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> Message-ID: <44CF6643.1080808@gmx.net> hey, thank you very much for this exactly explanation, everything worked out this way. after compilation, i had to symlink liboggz.so.1 and libfishsound.so.1, from /usr/local/lib to /usr/lib, but it works now. hey this is really cool appi, and since it is jack capable, i dont have to stop everything running with jack, for starting up sonic, that is great. thanks a lot for the support, cheers, doc Chris Cannam wrote: > On Tuesday 01 Aug 2006 14:42, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >> as i see, the vamp stuff is required, but can you perhaps tell me >> which sort of vamp i should get/how to deal with the vamp-sdk stuff? >> > > You need the vamp-plugin-sdk package from the same SourceForge download > page as Sonic Visualiser. Unpack it into the same directory as you put > Sonic Visualiser, and build it in place (it just has a simple Makefile > and no installer). > > You may want the oggz and fishsound libraries as well for Ogg file > import (the qmake configuration reported it couldn't find them). > > > Chris > > > From _ at whats-your.name Tue Aug 1 11:49:17 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Tue Aug 1 11:49:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Advice on desktop/platform In-Reply-To: <1154434489.30371.191.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1154434489.30371.191.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20060801154917.GC17993@replic.net> > I've been using KDE, and upon reccomendation I tried FVWM as it's > lighter, but I had the same number (lots!) of xruns and problems. It did > run slightly better; I had 9 extra megs of ram free but realistically I > want no xruns. I'm not running a patched kernel as I'm unable to find > out what patches SUSE needs to run that conflict with the realtime > patches. My kernel is 2.6.11 atm. Any advice? Apologies as this is id upgrade to a kernel that is less ancient. and try something like fluxbox or wmii. the former at least has a panel with a system tray. which is most of what Gnome or KDE offers for the desktop at significantly less cost. if you still want to load up a GUI file manager now and then nothing is stopping you from installing Thunar... xruns could be due to your preemption settings (in kernel .config) or video drivers. but trimming the fat off your desktop can't hurt. From jri at broadpark.no Tue Aug 1 11:57:44 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Tue Aug 1 11:57:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: <20060801130516.GR12427@fitz.Belkin> References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> <20060731231947.GO12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF29F5.9040709@broadpark.no> <20060801102403.GQ12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF44D5.1020107@woh.rr.com> <20060801130516.GR12427@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <44CF79F8.9050709@broadpark.no> james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: >> Sounds like the LADSPA vinyl scratch plugin. > > Ahh, I see the confusion. I meant the turntable scratching, not the > noise-type scratches. :) Hmmm....just to clarify: On the rough AMS synth there's a little bit of TAP Reverse Delay. That might explain the "scratches" referred to. The other scratching is in fact done on a real turntable, I've been DJ'ing for a couple of years, so that's where I learned it from. I've exported the scratch-tracks so you can hear what I'm doing: http://bogus.uib.no/~jri022/ting/kanskjeno_scratch01.ogg (From Paul Horn - "Special Edition") http://bogus.uib.no/~jri022/ting/kanskjeno_scratch02.ogg (From scratch record by Roc Raida) ...And a screenshot: http://bogus.uib.no/~jri022/ting/kanskjeno_screenshot.png Thanks very much for all the comments, glad you people liked it :) -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Aug 1 11:58:24 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Aug 1 11:58:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Advice on desktop/platform In-Reply-To: <20060801154917.GC17993@replic.net> References: <1154434489.30371.191.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060801154917.GC17993@replic.net> Message-ID: <1154447905.14540.35.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 15:49 +0000, carmen wrote: > > I've been using KDE, and upon reccomendation I tried FVWM as it's > > lighter, but I had the same number (lots!) of xruns and problems. It did > > run slightly better; I had 9 extra megs of ram free but realistically I > > want no xruns. I'm not running a patched kernel as I'm unable to find > > out what patches SUSE needs to run that conflict with the realtime > > patches. My kernel is 2.6.11 atm. Any advice? Apologies as this is > > id upgrade to a kernel that is less ancient. Agreed > and try something like fluxbox or wmii. the former at least has a panel with a system tray. which is most of what Gnome or KDE offers for the desktop at significantly less cost. if you still want to load up a GUI file manager now and then nothing is stopping you from installing Thunar... > > > xruns could be due to your preemption settings (in kernel .config) or video drivers. but trimming the fat off your desktop can't hurt. > Disagree, using Fluxbox over Gnome is not likely to make a difference with a recent kernel. Lee From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Aug 1 13:23:46 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Aug 1 13:21:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <20060801182346.49668292@localhost> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:58:17 +0200 Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > New tune made with GNU/Linux ready for download: > http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org/index_en.html#kanskjeno > > I used lots of stuff on this one, AMS, Seq24, Ardour, Hydrogen and lots > of LADSPA plugins. > > Comments are welcome... Just like to add my comments to everyone elses. I liked this a lot. It's very different, interesting. I like it. -- Will J G From pinojazz at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 16:21:12 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Tue Aug 1 14:20:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: <20060801182346.49668292@localhost> References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> <20060801182346.49668292@localhost> Message-ID: <44CFB7B8.5030305@gmail.com> Folderol escribi?: > On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:58:17 +0200 > Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > > >> New tune made with GNU/Linux ready for download: >> http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org/index_en.html#kanskjeno >> >> I used lots of stuff on this one, AMS, Seq24, Ardour, Hydrogen and lots >> of LADSPA plugins. >> >> Comments are welcome... >> > > Just like to add my comments to everyone elses. I liked this a lot. > It's very different, interesting. I like it. > > Me too !!! ;-) Saludos . -- Carlos. From st at tobiah.org Tue Aug 1 14:21:09 2006 From: st at tobiah.org (st) Date: Tue Aug 1 14:22:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine: update In-Reply-To: <20060801100946.2d77abb4.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> <44CA7371.4080102@tobiah.org> <44CA88FD.8030603@woh.rr.com> <1154123396.2927.194.camel@mindpipe> <44CA9A08.5000009@woh.rr.com> <44CBE888.8090807@woh.rr.com> <20060801100946.2d77abb4.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> Message-ID: <44CF9B95.3030802@tobiah.org> Yeah, and I think that the mobo has to handshake with the power supply before you get any juice. Maarten de Boer wrote: > Dave, > > Note that some Antec PSU (the NeoHE 430 is notorious for this) need a minimum load of 1A on the +12V rails in order to work. > > Maarten > > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:00:24 -0400 > Dave Phillips wrote: > >> Greetings: >> >> My brother brought his meter, checked out the PSU. It's dead as dead, >> which is actually good news. I'll get a new one, try again. >> >> Thanks again to everyone helping out. :) >> >> Best, >> >> dp >> >> >> From mayouan at isonews2.com Tue Aug 1 18:17:42 2006 From: mayouan at isonews2.com (Johan Mattsson) Date: Tue Aug 1 18:28:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Two soundcards with JACK Message-ID: <44CFD306.9020501@isonews2.com> Hi, I want to use JACK with two soundcards simultaneously, there is no need to sync them so I thought it might be possible. I copied the example multi .asoundrc from the ALSA documentation and started JACK. It seems to work; all ports show up but when I connect anything JACK exits immediately with some thing like: "Driver NT could not run drive cycle jack main caught signal 12". Since I do not have internet connection i my studio it is a little complicated to provide more info, but there are two soundcards one Vortex something that uses au8820 and one Cirrus something card. Any idea what causes this? Thanks Johan From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Aug 1 18:35:03 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Aug 1 18:34:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Two soundcards with JACK In-Reply-To: <44CFD306.9020501@isonews2.com> References: <44CFD306.9020501@isonews2.com> Message-ID: <1154471704.14540.88.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 00:17 +0200, Johan Mattsson wrote: > Hi, > > I want to use JACK with two soundcards simultaneously, there is no need > to sync them so I thought it might be possible. I copied the example > multi .asoundrc from the ALSA documentation and started JACK. It seems > to work; all ports show up but when I connect anything JACK exits > immediately with some thing like: "Driver NT could not run drive cycle > jack main caught signal 12". > > Since I do not have internet connection i my studio it is a little > complicated to provide more info, but there are two soundcards one > Vortex something that uses au8820 and one Cirrus something card. > > Any idea what causes this? This cannot work. The .asoundrc you used was probably for a configuration with two identical cards. You should run one jackd for each card and use jack_diplomat to connect them. Lee From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Aug 1 19:19:28 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Aug 1 19:19:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: <44CF79F8.9050709@broadpark.no> References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> <20060731231947.GO12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF29F5.9040709@broadpark.no> <20060801102403.GQ12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF44D5.1020107@woh.rr.com> <20060801130516.GR12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF79F8.9050709@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <20060801231928.GS12427@fitz.Belkin> On Tue, 01 Aug, 2006 at 05:57PM +0200, Johannes Mario Ringheim spake thus: > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > >>Sounds like the LADSPA vinyl scratch plugin. > > > >Ahh, I see the confusion. I meant the turntable scratching, not the > >noise-type scratches. :) > > Hmmm....just to clarify: > On the rough AMS synth there's a little bit of TAP Reverse Delay. That > might explain the "scratches" referred to. > > The other scratching is in fact done on a real turntable, I've been > DJ'ing for a couple of years, so that's where I learned it from. > > I've exported the scratch-tracks so you can hear what I'm doing: > http://bogus.uib.no/~jri022/ting/kanskjeno_scratch01.ogg > (From Paul Horn - "Special Edition") > http://bogus.uib.no/~jri022/ting/kanskjeno_scratch02.ogg > (From scratch record by Roc Raida) The bit I was thinking of was this: http://dis-dot-dat.net/kanskjeno_clip.ogg Although listening again, I think it's just that the beat is timed really nicely with the scratches, not actually scratched. Lovely turntabling, on the other bits, BTW. I don't have the spare cash for anything non-virtual, so I feel a bit jelous of people who have any physical input to things. I suppose I have my guitar, but I'm a terrible guitarist... :) > ...And a screenshot: > http://bogus.uib.no/~jri022/ting/kanskjeno_screenshot.png > > Thanks very much for all the comments, glad you people liked it :) > From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 19:20:37 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Aug 1 19:21:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Nomad - Nord Modular Editor In-Reply-To: <1153517192.14939.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1153517192.14939.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 7/22/06, Dave Robillard wrote: > On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 09:16 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > On 7/21/06, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > > > > > > [ in linux-audio-users, originally in nmedit-devel ] > > > >our first release of Nomad - Nord Modular Editor is now available. > > > > > > It is at > > > http://nmedit.sourceforge.net > > > if that was not mentioned. > > > > > > The Nomad has also a UI builder for building UIs for modules. > > > Check the screenshots and "nomad-ui-editor.jpg". > > > Do we have anything similar? E.g. a collection of audio related > > > widgets for Glade? > > > > Quote from the Khagan website: > > " > > Khagan is a live user interface builder for controling parameters via > > OSC. It's mainly aimed at the Om modular synthesizer. > > " > > > > http://khagan.berlios.de > > > > You can build a gui using phat widgets and control any OSC accepting > > app. I.e Build the synth in Om (now called ingen) and then control it > > using Khagan. It's got a few intersting input options too, like > > graphics tablet. 5-d input, etc. > > I'm going to get around to that whole service discovery thing one of > these days. Honest. :) > > -DR- > > Sure dave ;) On the amazing and expanding todo list ;) Loki From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 19:34:24 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Aug 1 19:34:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: <20060801231928.GS12427@fitz.Belkin> References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> <20060731231947.GO12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF29F5.9040709@broadpark.no> <20060801102403.GQ12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF44D5.1020107@woh.rr.com> <20060801130516.GR12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF79F8.9050709@broadpark.no> <20060801231928.GS12427@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: On 8/2/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Tue, 01 Aug, 2006 at 05:57PM +0200, Johannes Mario Ringheim spake thus: > > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > >>Sounds like the LADSPA vinyl scratch plugin. > > > > > >Ahh, I see the confusion. I meant the turntable scratching, not the > > >noise-type scratches. :) > > > > Hmmm....just to clarify: > > On the rough AMS synth there's a little bit of TAP Reverse Delay. That > > might explain the "scratches" referred to. > > > > The other scratching is in fact done on a real turntable, I've been > > DJ'ing for a couple of years, so that's where I learned it from. > > > > I've exported the scratch-tracks so you can hear what I'm doing: > > http://bogus.uib.no/~jri022/ting/kanskjeno_scratch01.ogg > > (From Paul Horn - "Special Edition") > > http://bogus.uib.no/~jri022/ting/kanskjeno_scratch02.ogg > > (From scratch record by Roc Raida) > > The bit I was thinking of was this: > http://dis-dot-dat.net/kanskjeno_clip.ogg > > Although listening again, I think it's just that the beat is timed > really nicely with the scratches, not actually scratched. > > Lovely turntabling, on the other bits, BTW. I don't have the spare > cash for anything non-virtual, so I feel a bit jelous of people who > have any physical input to things. I suppose I have my guitar, but > I'm a terrible guitarist... :) > If you drop by melbourne, australia you can play on mine as much as you want. After getting a guitar 7 months ago and a bass 3 months ago all i do is play them! ;) Loki From jri at broadpark.no Tue Aug 1 19:47:27 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Tue Aug 1 19:47:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: <20060801231928.GS12427@fitz.Belkin> References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> <20060731231947.GO12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF29F5.9040709@broadpark.no> <20060801102403.GQ12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF44D5.1020107@woh.rr.com> <20060801130516.GR12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF79F8.9050709@broadpark.no> <20060801231928.GS12427@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <44CFE80F.5010908@broadpark.no> james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > The bit I was thinking of was this: > http://dis-dot-dat.net/kanskjeno_clip.ogg > > Although listening again, I think it's just that the beat is timed > really nicely with the scratches, not actually scratched. Oh....They are in fact scratched. It's a "two copy routine", looping a part of a record live with two turntables and two copies of that record (Grandmaster Flash does this a lot). Mine is faked, though, since I didn't have two copies, so I did one take at a time with the same record. After that the loop is highpassed so that just the hihat remains for the rest of the song. This was quite tricky eq'ing to get to sound right, but I think it should be OK now... > Lovely turntabling, on the other bits, BTW. I don't have the spare > cash for anything non-virtual, so I feel a bit jelous of people who > have any physical input to things. I suppose I have my guitar, but > I'm a terrible guitarist... :) Don't know about that...but I can tell you I did quite a few takes of the scratches before I got them right ;) -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Aug 1 20:07:57 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Aug 1 20:07:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> <20060731231947.GO12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF29F5.9040709@broadpark.no> <20060801102403.GQ12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF44D5.1020107@woh.rr.com> <20060801130516.GR12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF79F8.9050709@broadpark.no> <20060801231928.GS12427@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060802000757.GT12427@fitz.Belkin> On Wed, 02 Aug, 2006 at 09:34AM +1000, Loki Davison spake thus: > On 8/2/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > >On Tue, 01 Aug, 2006 at 05:57PM +0200, Johannes Mario Ringheim spake thus: > >> james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > >> >>Sounds like the LADSPA vinyl scratch plugin. > >> > > >> >Ahh, I see the confusion. I meant the turntable scratching, not the > >> >noise-type scratches. :) > >> > >> Hmmm....just to clarify: > >> On the rough AMS synth there's a little bit of TAP Reverse Delay. That > >> might explain the "scratches" referred to. > >> > >> The other scratching is in fact done on a real turntable, I've been > >> DJ'ing for a couple of years, so that's where I learned it from. > >> > >> I've exported the scratch-tracks so you can hear what I'm doing: > >> http://bogus.uib.no/~jri022/ting/kanskjeno_scratch01.ogg > >> (From Paul Horn - "Special Edition") > >> http://bogus.uib.no/~jri022/ting/kanskjeno_scratch02.ogg > >> (From scratch record by Roc Raida) > > > >The bit I was thinking of was this: > >http://dis-dot-dat.net/kanskjeno_clip.ogg > > > >Although listening again, I think it's just that the beat is timed > >really nicely with the scratches, not actually scratched. > > > >Lovely turntabling, on the other bits, BTW. I don't have the spare > >cash for anything non-virtual, so I feel a bit jelous of people who > >have any physical input to things. I suppose I have my guitar, but > >I'm a terrible guitarist... :) > > > > If you drop by melbourne, australia you can play on mine as much as > you want. After getting a guitar 7 months ago and a bass 3 months ago > all i do is play them! ;) I'd pop in, but there's a whole planet between us. :) > Loki > From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Aug 1 20:08:55 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Aug 1 20:08:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: <44CFE80F.5010908@broadpark.no> References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> <20060731231947.GO12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF29F5.9040709@broadpark.no> <20060801102403.GQ12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF44D5.1020107@woh.rr.com> <20060801130516.GR12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CF79F8.9050709@broadpark.no> <20060801231928.GS12427@fitz.Belkin> <44CFE80F.5010908@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <20060802000855.GU12427@fitz.Belkin> On Wed, 02 Aug, 2006 at 01:47AM +0200, Johannes Mario Ringheim spake thus: > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > >The bit I was thinking of was this: > >http://dis-dot-dat.net/kanskjeno_clip.ogg > > > >Although listening again, I think it's just that the beat is timed > >really nicely with the scratches, not actually scratched. > > Oh....They are in fact scratched. It's a "two copy routine", looping a > part of a record live with two turntables and two copies of that record > (Grandmaster Flash does this a lot). Mine is faked, though, since I > didn't have two copies, so I did one take at a time with the same record. > After that the loop is highpassed so that just the hihat remains for the > rest of the song. This was quite tricky eq'ing to get to sound right, > but I think it should be OK now... > > >Lovely turntabling, on the other bits, BTW. I don't have the spare > >cash for anything non-virtual, so I feel a bit jelous of people who > >have any physical input to things. I suppose I have my guitar, but > >I'm a terrible guitarist... :) > > Don't know about that...but I can tell you I did quite a few takes of > the scratches before I got them right ;) Worth it, though. Sounds great! From smoak at mis.net Tue Aug 1 20:39:38 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Tue Aug 1 20:36:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Advice on desktop/platform In-Reply-To: <1154447905.14540.35.camel@mindpipe> References: <1154434489.30371.191.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060801154917.GC17993@replic.net> <1154447905.14540.35.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200608012039.38268.smoak@mis.net> On Tuesday 01 August 2006 11:58, Lee Revell wrote: > Disagree, using Fluxbox over Gnome is not likely to make a difference > with a recent kernel. > > Lee Lee, do you think that the same can be said about KDE rather than Gnome? Marv From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Aug 1 20:51:01 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Aug 1 20:50:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Advice on desktop/platform In-Reply-To: <200608012039.38268.smoak@mis.net> References: <1154434489.30371.191.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060801154917.GC17993@replic.net> <1154447905.14540.35.camel@mindpipe> <200608012039.38268.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <1154479862.14540.111.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 20:39 -0400, M P Smoak wrote: > On Tuesday 01 August 2006 11:58, Lee Revell wrote: > > Disagree, using Fluxbox over Gnome is not likely to make a difference > > with a recent kernel. > > > > Lee > > Lee, do you think that the same can be said about KDE rather than Gnome? Yes. With a kernel patched for realtime, or a recent unpatched 2.6 kernel, the choice of desktop/window manager will have no impact on realtime audio performance (as measured by number of xruns), as long as JACK is running in realtime mode. The belief that stripping down your desktop will improve realtime audio performance is a holdover from the bad old 2.4/early 2.6 days. Lee From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 21:04:14 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Aug 1 21:04:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Advice on desktop/platform In-Reply-To: <1154479862.14540.111.camel@mindpipe> References: <1154434489.30371.191.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060801154917.GC17993@replic.net> <1154447905.14540.35.camel@mindpipe> <200608012039.38268.smoak@mis.net> <1154479862.14540.111.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 8/2/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 20:39 -0400, M P Smoak wrote: > > On Tuesday 01 August 2006 11:58, Lee Revell wrote: > > > Disagree, using Fluxbox over Gnome is not likely to make a difference > > > with a recent kernel. > > > > > > Lee > > > > Lee, do you think that the same can be said about KDE rather than Gnome? > > Yes. With a kernel patched for realtime, or a recent unpatched 2.6 > kernel, the choice of desktop/window manager will have no impact on > realtime audio performance (as measured by number of xruns), as long as > JACK is running in realtime mode. > > The belief that stripping down your desktop will improve realtime audio > performance is a holdover from the bad old 2.4/early 2.6 days. > > Lee > > though if you have limited memory it can still help, right? I.e if the system needs to swap because of a big desktop running? Not that i really know, i run KDE and i've got 2GB ram ;) Loki From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Aug 1 21:26:27 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Aug 1 21:25:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Advice on desktop/platform In-Reply-To: References: <1154434489.30371.191.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060801154917.GC17993@replic.net> <1154447905.14540.35.camel@mindpipe> <200608012039.38268.smoak@mis.net> <1154479862.14540.111.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1154481988.14540.113.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 11:04 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > On 8/2/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 20:39 -0400, M P Smoak wrote: > > > On Tuesday 01 August 2006 11:58, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > Disagree, using Fluxbox over Gnome is not likely to make a difference > > > > with a recent kernel. > > > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > Lee, do you think that the same can be said about KDE rather than Gnome? > > > > Yes. With a kernel patched for realtime, or a recent unpatched 2.6 > > kernel, the choice of desktop/window manager will have no impact on > > realtime audio performance (as measured by number of xruns), as long as > > JACK is running in realtime mode. > > > > The belief that stripping down your desktop will improve realtime audio > > performance is a holdover from the bad old 2.4/early 2.6 days. > > > > Lee > > > > > > though if you have limited memory it can still help, right? I.e if the > system needs to swap because of a big desktop running? Not that i > really know, i run KDE and i've got 2GB ram ;) > I guess if you are very resource constrained it would help. Audio performance won't be affected, your desktop just might get slower if you run into swap. But I was referring to the general case. Lee From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 21:30:57 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Aug 1 21:31:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Advice on desktop/platform In-Reply-To: <1154481988.14540.113.camel@mindpipe> References: <1154434489.30371.191.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060801154917.GC17993@replic.net> <1154447905.14540.35.camel@mindpipe> <200608012039.38268.smoak@mis.net> <1154479862.14540.111.camel@mindpipe> <1154481988.14540.113.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 8/2/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 11:04 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > On 8/2/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 20:39 -0400, M P Smoak wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 01 August 2006 11:58, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > Disagree, using Fluxbox over Gnome is not likely to make a > difference > > > > > with a recent kernel. > > > > > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > Lee, do you think that the same can be said about KDE rather than > Gnome? > > > > > > Yes. With a kernel patched for realtime, or a recent unpatched 2.6 > > > kernel, the choice of desktop/window manager will have no impact on > > > realtime audio performance (as measured by number of xruns), as long as > > > JACK is running in realtime mode. > > > > > > The belief that stripping down your desktop will improve realtime audio > > > performance is a holdover from the bad old 2.4/early 2.6 days. > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > > though if you have limited memory it can still help, right? I.e if the > > system needs to swap because of a big desktop running? Not that i > > really know, i run KDE and i've got 2GB ram ;) > > > > I guess if you are very resource constrained it would help. Audio > performance won't be affected, your desktop just might get slower if you > run into swap. But I was referring to the general case. > > Lee > > So short answer is really running a decent kernel solves all the other worries ;) Loki From chris at mccormick.cx Wed Aug 2 00:17:21 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Wed Aug 2 00:18:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: <44CFB7B8.5030305@gmail.com> References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> <20060801182346.49668292@localhost> <44CFB7B8.5030305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060802041721.GC25352@mccormick.cx> On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 10:21:12PM +0200, Carlos Pino wrote: > Folderol escribi?: > >On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:58:17 +0200 > >Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > > > > > >>New tune made with GNU/Linux ready for download: > >>http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org/index_en.html#kanskjeno > >> > >>I used lots of stuff on this one, AMS, Seq24, Ardour, Hydrogen and lots > >>of LADSPA plugins. > >> > >>Comments are welcome... > >> > > > >Just like to add my comments to everyone elses. I liked this a lot. > >It's very different, interesting. I like it. > > > > > Me too !!! ;-) I second (or third or whatever) that! Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From pgclarke at beeb.net Wed Aug 2 04:10:47 2006 From: pgclarke at beeb.net (Peter Clarke) Date: Wed Aug 2 04:18:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Why doesn't udev start my Midisport at boot time? Message-ID: <200608021610.47700.pgclarke@beeb.net> All, I'm using a Midisport 2x2 with my Gentoo Linux x86 box. After booting (2.6.16 kernel, with or without realtime patch) my Midisport isn't recognized. However, after disconnecting and reconnecting it, it works fine - the firmware gets loaded, and I can start Jack and pass MIDI data through it. (I already got hold of the firmware file, set up the udev rule and all that jazz.) I've googled, but haven't found anything that helps. Any suggestions how to get the Midisport to start straight from boot? It's only a little niggle, but it would help getting things running a bit more smoothly. Peter C From mayouan at isonews2.com Wed Aug 2 05:01:05 2006 From: mayouan at isonews2.com (Johan Mattsson) Date: Wed Aug 2 05:11:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Two soundcards with JACK In-Reply-To: <1154471704.14540.88.camel@mindpipe> References: <44CFD306.9020501@isonews2.com> <1154471704.14540.88.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44D069D1.90704@isonews2.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 00:17 +0200, Johan Mattsson wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I want to use JACK with two soundcards simultaneously, there is no need >> to sync them so I thought it might be possible. I copied the example >> multi .asoundrc from the ALSA documentation and started JACK. It seems >> to work; all ports show up but when I connect anything JACK exits >> immediately with some thing like: "Driver NT could not run drive cycle >> jack main caught signal 12". >> >> Since I do not have internet connection i my studio it is a little >> complicated to provide more info, but there are two soundcards one >> Vortex something that uses au8820 and one Cirrus something card. >> >> Any idea what causes this? >> > > This cannot work. The .asoundrc you used was probably for a > configuration with two identical cards. > Thank you , I did not know this. > You should run one jackd for each card and use jack_diplomat to connect > them. > > Lee > > Having several instances of jack seems like the solve, I am not interested in sharing audio between the two cards. What is jack_diplomat? I found nothing about it on the jack website. Will qjackctl work with this? Johan From arnold.krille at gmail.com Wed Aug 2 05:16:34 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Wed Aug 2 05:16:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Advice on desktop/platform In-Reply-To: <1154479862.14540.111.camel@mindpipe> References: <1154434489.30371.191.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060801154917.GC17993@replic.net> <1154447905.14540.35.camel@mindpipe> <200608012039.38268.smoak@mis.net> <1154479862.14540.111.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <2def88b80608020216l21b57baaq6b75191821414247@mail.gmail.com> 2006/8/2, Lee Revell : > The belief that stripping down your desktop will improve realtime audio > performance is a holdover from the bad old 2.4/early 2.6 days. But stripping down your workplace to focus on music exclusivly can enhance your musical productivity. On the other hand a round of patience every now and then can do the same thing... I am running a full KDE will making music (10ms latency with an sblive), unless I want to use two screens without quiting kde, then I run a second xserver with fluxbox. :-) So long, Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From jouni.rinne at luukku.com Wed Aug 2 05:19:17 2006 From: jouni.rinne at luukku.com (Jouni Rinne) Date: Wed Aug 2 05:19:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Why doesn't udev start my Midisport at boot time? In-Reply-To: <200608021610.47700.pgclarke@beeb.net> References: <200608021610.47700.pgclarke@beeb.net> Message-ID: <44D06E15.4060005@luukku.com> Peter Clarke kirjoitti: > All, > I'm using a Midisport 2x2 with my Gentoo Linux x86 box. > After booting (2.6.16 kernel, with or without realtime > patch) my Midisport isn't recognized. However, after > disconnecting and reconnecting it, it works fine - the > firmware gets loaded, and I can start Jack and pass MIDI > data through it. (I already got hold of the firmware file, > set up the udev rule and all that jazz.) Which version of udev do you have? If you are using Gentoo stable and have udev-087-r1 or older, you either need coldplug installed, or have to load the module(s) manually at boot ( see /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 ) > I've googled, but haven't found anything that helps. Any > suggestions how to get the Midisport to start straight from > boot? It's only a little niggle, but it would help getting > things running a bit more smoothly. > > Peter C -- | me@home ~$whoami ^ ^ | "Trust me, I know what I'm doing!" | | Jouni 'Mad Max' Rinne ('x') | - Sledge Hammer | | me@home ~$man woman C " " | -------[ph34r t3h p3Ngu1n]-------- | | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | l33tmmx at sci dot fi | From perodog at gmx.net Wed Aug 2 08:09:02 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Wed Aug 2 08:08:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] terratec phase22 Message-ID: <44D095DE.6090901@gmx.net> hi to the list, finally i convinced my girlfriend to switch from using windoose to linux. this is planed for end of september, after vacanses and after she has finished backuping files which she still needs. that is a desktop pc, build about 2000 and there is a terratec phase22 pci card in it. i had a look at the alsa sound card matrix, but i did not found the phase22 listed on it. is anyone here informed about alsa support on this card, perhaps someone is even using it? cheers, doc From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Wed Aug 2 09:59:25 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Wed Aug 2 09:59:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Advice on desktop/platform In-Reply-To: References: <1154434489.30371.191.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060801154917.GC17993@replic.net> <1154447905.14540.35.camel@mindpipe> <200608012039.38268.smoak@mis.net> <1154479862.14540.111.camel@mindpipe> <1154481988.14540.113.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1154527165.30371.219.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Many thanks guys. Time to google kernels! On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 11:30 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > On 8/2/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 11:04 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > > On 8/2/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 20:39 -0400, M P Smoak wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday 01 August 2006 11:58, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > > Disagree, using Fluxbox over Gnome is not likely to make a > > difference > > > > > > with a recent kernel. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > > Lee, do you think that the same can be said about KDE rather than > > Gnome? > > > > > > > > Yes. With a kernel patched for realtime, or a recent unpatched 2.6 > > > > kernel, the choice of desktop/window manager will have no impact on > > > > realtime audio performance (as measured by number of xruns), as long as > > > > JACK is running in realtime mode. > > > > > > > > The belief that stripping down your desktop will improve realtime audio > > > > performance is a holdover from the bad old 2.4/early 2.6 days. > > > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though if you have limited memory it can still help, right? I.e if the > > > system needs to swap because of a big desktop running? Not that i > > > really know, i run KDE and i've got 2GB ram ;) > > > > > > > I guess if you are very resource constrained it would help. Audio > > performance won't be affected, your desktop just might get slower if you > > run into swap. But I was referring to the general case. > > > > Lee > > > > > > So short answer is really running a decent kernel solves all the other > worries ;) > > Loki -- Jonty Needham From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Wed Aug 2 10:09:53 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Wed Aug 2 10:11:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Two soundcards with JACK In-Reply-To: <20060802135939.2397A25F5BDB@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060802135939.2397A25F5BDB@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Johan Mattsson: >> You should run one jackd for each card and use jack_diplomat to connect >> them. >> >> Lee >> >> > Having several instances of jack seems like the solve, I am not > interested in sharing audio between the two cards. > > What is jack_diplomat? I found nothing about it on the jack website. > > Will qjackctl work with this? > Isn't it possible to google jack-diplomat? Its jack o'quin's program. Anyway, an easier program to use could be torben hohn's alsa_connect, found inside the jacknet package. With that one, you don't have to start more than one jack server. From jack.oquin at gmail.com Wed Aug 2 11:56:23 2006 From: jack.oquin at gmail.com (Jack O'Quin) Date: Wed Aug 2 11:56:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Two soundcards with JACK In-Reply-To: References: <20060802135939.2397A25F5BDB@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: On 8/2/06, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > Isn't it possible to google jack-diplomat? Its jack o'quin's program. Not mine, don't know whose. Regards, -- joq From mayouan at isonews2.com Wed Aug 2 14:01:34 2006 From: mayouan at isonews2.com (Johan Mattsson) Date: Wed Aug 2 14:12:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Two soundcards with JACK In-Reply-To: References: <20060802135939.2397A25F5BDB@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <44D0E87E.3010306@isonews2.com> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > Johan Mattsson: >>> You should run one jackd for each card and use jack_diplomat to connect >>> them. >>> >>> Lee >>> >>> >> Having several instances of jack seems like the solve, I am not >> interested in sharing audio between the two cards. >> >> What is jack_diplomat? I found nothing about it on the jack website. >> >> Will qjackctl work with this? >> > > Isn't it possible to google jack-diplomat? Its jack o'quin's program. > > Anyway, an easier program to use could be torben hohn's alsa_connect, > found inside the jacknet package. With that one, you don't have to > start more than one jack server. > > I did search on google for jack-diplomat, I ask here since I did not find anything useful except for a German wikipage with a dead link. Is using one instance of jackd implying jack everything must be synced? If that is the case is using several instances of jack probably better even if there is some way around it syncing with jacknet. Is jacknet netjack? Johan From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Aug 2 14:22:23 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Aug 2 14:20:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Icons In-Reply-To: <20060730090544.GI12427@fitz.Belkin> References: <20060730095231.73decd05@localhost> <20060730090544.GI12427@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060802192223.20eb8262@localhost> On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 10:05:44 +0100 james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jul, 2006 at 09:52AM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > > Does anyone know of a decent looking matched set of icons for mp3, ogg, > > wav, MIDI etc? > > Something might take your fancy here: http://www.maxpower.ca/free-icons/2006/03/05/ Thanks for the link, but there really isn't anything there that fits the bill. -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Aug 2 14:33:31 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Aug 2 14:31:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music - some more bits. Message-ID: <20060802193331.76a44e1e@localhost> I've been busy again. I've made changes to 'An Enchanted Valley' (Shadows) that I think greatly improves the performance - tightened up the timing, and changed the main voices. This is now a hybrid with ext. and int. synths I also recently added 'Music Box' (Shadows) which is a slightly sinister tune - all Zyn. I could almost imagine it being played during one of Hichcocks horror movies. Today I've put up a fun tune 'The Bulldozer Waltz' (gentle Ways to Go) and this is a hybrid that uses both the SY35 and Sound Canvas quite heavily and Zyn less so. All at http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org/music.shtml -- Will J G From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Aug 2 14:40:16 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed Aug 2 14:40:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Two soundcards with JACK In-Reply-To: <44D0E87E.3010306@isonews2.com> References: <20060802135939.2397A25F5BDB@music.columbia.edu> <44D0E87E.3010306@isonews2.com> Message-ID: <1154544016.17482.17.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 20:01 +0200, Johan Mattsson wrote: > Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > > > Johan Mattsson: > >>> You should run one jackd for each card and use jack_diplomat to connect > >>> them. > >>> > >>> Lee > >>> > >>> > >> Having several instances of jack seems like the solve, I am not > >> interested in sharing audio between the two cards. > >> > >> What is jack_diplomat? I found nothing about it on the jack website. > >> > >> Will qjackctl work with this? > >> > > > > Isn't it possible to google jack-diplomat? Its jack o'quin's program. > > > > Anyway, an easier program to use could be torben hohn's alsa_connect, > > found inside the jacknet package. With that one, you don't have to > > start more than one jack server. > > I did search on google for jack-diplomat, I ask here since I did not > find anything useful except for a German wikipage with a dead link. Apparently can be found at: http://spark.woaf.net/jack_diplomat-0.70.tar.bz2 (found link here: http://www.archivesat.com/JACK_developers/thread771821.htm) -- Fernando > Is using one instance of jackd implying jack everything must be synced? > If that is the case is using several instances of jack probably better > even if there is some way around it syncing with jacknet. > > Is jacknet netjack? > > Johan From t_w_ at freenet.de Wed Aug 2 15:00:17 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Wed Aug 2 15:00:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music - some more bits. In-Reply-To: <20060802193331.76a44e1e@localhost> References: <20060802193331.76a44e1e@localhost> Message-ID: <20060802190017.GA7278@charly.SWORD> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 07:33:31PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > I also recently added 'Music Box' (Shadows) which is a slightly sinister > tune - all Zyn. I could almost imagine it being played during one of > Hichcocks horror movies. Name and tune match perfectly. Makes me think of puppets, little girls in large houses, a touch of gothic. You should consider to add a section on your website for what's new, tunes in chronological order ;) -- Thorsten Wilms From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Aug 2 18:50:57 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Aug 2 18:51:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] own kernel, ubuntu Message-ID: <44D12C51.7020107@gmail.com> Hi I just got a new laptop, and would like to compile my own kernel (unpatched at first). Does anyone here have or know of a script or sequence of commands for compiling a drop-in replacement for a standard ubuntu kernel with a kernel.org kernel. Preferrably without having to go via a .deb... -- peace, love & harmony Atte From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Aug 2 18:58:26 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Aug 2 18:58:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] own kernel, ubuntu In-Reply-To: <44D12C51.7020107@gmail.com> References: <44D12C51.7020107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1154559506.4429.8.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 00:50 +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I just got a new laptop, and would like to compile my own kernel > (unpatched at first). Does anyone here have or know of a script or > sequence of commands for compiling a drop-in replacement for a standard > ubuntu kernel with a kernel.org kernel. Preferrably without having to go > via a .deb... > I go via a .deb: Enter the kernel source directory, copy the desired kernel config to .config (probably safest to start with the one from Ubuntu's kernel), then: fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=rlrevell.0.9 --append-to-version=-smp-noipv6 kernel_image The .deb will be generated one directory up. Then since the Ubuntu kernel config requires an initramfs: cd to /boot, su to root, then: mkinitramfs -o initrd.img-2.6.17-rt3-smp-noipv6 2.6.17-rt3-smp-noipv6 /boot/grub/menu.lst will already have been updated when you installed the .deb, just add a line like: initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-rt3-smp-noipv6 HTH, Lee From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed Aug 2 19:03:28 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Aug 2 19:03:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Advice on desktop/platform In-Reply-To: <1154527165.30371.219.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1154434489.30371.191.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060801154917.GC17993@replic.net> <1154447905.14540.35.camel@mindpipe> <200608012039.38268.smoak@mis.net> <1154479862.14540.111.camel@mindpipe> <1154481988.14540.113.camel@mindpipe> <1154527165.30371.219.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 8/2/06, Jonty Needham wrote: > Many thanks guys. Time to google kernels! > > You seem to suggest SuSE needs a special kernel patch... You just build a kernel from kernel.org and apply ingo's patches found at http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/ Lots of confusing options but you can always ask for help here. Loki From renatoftato at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 21:25:45 2006 From: renatoftato at yahoo.com (Renato Fabbri) Date: Wed Aug 2 21:25:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Level Compression Recovery Message-ID: <20060803012546.25414.qmail@web52311.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, There is a piano concert recorded with a sony camera, CCD-TR317, and I am interested just in recovering the original level range (or something near it) and expression, but the audio file is very very compressed, and using expansors (like waves reinassence) is not bringing me any good advances. Another thing. It is a mono sound file. I´ve read about some ways of getting a stereo sound file from a mono one, but has never done it. Can anyone point a good method? I run Windows and Linux, both with manny of the most used programs, cubase, ardour, sound forge, PD, various pluigins etc. btw, I uploaded 2m of Liszt´s piano sonata in Bm, played on the concert we are talking about for anyone interested. It is in 44.1KHz, 16bit, about 10Mb: http://cortex.lems.brown.edu/~renato/stuff/pianoconcert2m.zip all the best to everyone ref __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mlist at hk-vision.de Thu Aug 3 04:33:21 2006 From: mlist at hk-vision.de (mlist) Date: Thu Aug 3 04:33:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi to USB converter Message-ID: <200608031033.21855.mlist@hk-vision.de> Hello to all, I'm looking for a MIDI to USB converter working with linux. I found M-AUDIO MIDISPORT UNO (39 ?), ESI MIDI MATE (33 ?) and SWISSONIC MIDI-USB 1X1 (20 ?) in a music eqipment shop. All are not marked as linux-products specially. Any one experiences with this products or a good advice for an alternative solution? Regards Helmut (mlist@hk-vision.de) From jayv at synth.net Thu Aug 3 05:07:59 2006 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Thu Aug 3 05:08:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi to USB converter In-Reply-To: <200608031033.21855.mlist@hk-vision.de> References: <200608031033.21855.mlist@hk-vision.de> Message-ID: At 10:33 +0200 3/8/06, mlist wrote: >I found M-AUDIO MIDISPORT UNO (39 ?), ESI MIDI MATE (33 ?) and SWISSONIC >MIDI-USB 1X1 (20 ?) in a music eqipment shop. All are not marked as >linux-products specially. >Any one experiences with this products or a good advice for an alternative >solution? i use two midiman 2x2's daily. they work, they're rock solid, and there is GPL'ish firmware available for them .. -- ; Jay Vaughan From markus at herhoffer.net Thu Aug 3 07:07:58 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Thu Aug 3 07:08:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi to USB converter In-Reply-To: References: <200608031033.21855.mlist@hk-vision.de> Message-ID: <44D1D90E.101@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > i use two midiman 2x2's daily Me too. (Midiman changed its name to M-Audio.) Maybe you have to use a firmware loader to run the Midisport devices, but this is documented quite well. Markus Jay Vaughan wrote: > At 10:33 +0200 3/8/06, mlist wrote: >> I found M-AUDIO MIDISPORT UNO (39 ?), ESI MIDI MATE (33 ?) and SWISSONIC >> MIDI-USB 1X1 (20 ?) in a music eqipment shop. All are not marked as >> linux-products specially. >> Any one experiences with this products or a good advice for an >> alternative >> solution? > > i use two midiman 2x2's daily. they work, they're rock solid, and there > is GPL'ish firmware available for them .. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE0dkOuXdsp50C0vMRAhrgAJ957DSUGrpSMoxPVV69jitHOaec1gCeJwE4 sUAY7NhYHvDEVEAw1oMWv/8= =O8ak -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jayv at synth.net Thu Aug 3 07:11:09 2006 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Thu Aug 3 07:11:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi to USB converter In-Reply-To: <44D1D90E.101@herhoffer.net> References: <200608031033.21855.mlist@hk-vision.de> <44D1D90E.101@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: At 13:07 +0200 3/8/06, Markus Herhoffer wrote: > > i use two midiman 2x2's daily > >Me too. (Midiman changed its name to M-Audio.) Maybe you have to use a >firmware loader to run the Midisport devices, but this is documented >quite well. > no sweat: http://usb-midi-fw.sourceforge.net/ -- ; Jay Vaughan From chris at mccormick.cx Thu Aug 3 08:06:49 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Thu Aug 3 08:08:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Revamped music page Message-ID: <20060803120649.GI6030@mccormick.cx> Hey All, I've revamped my music download page and explicitly licensed my music under a CC Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.5 license. http://www.sciencegirlrecords.com/chr15m/ Enjoy! Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 09:52:56 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Aug 3 09:53:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi to USB converter In-Reply-To: References: <200608031033.21855.mlist@hk-vision.de> <44D1D90E.101@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <70a871c80608030652j2263b6a9k90d908009db9aaa7@mail.gmail.com> I use ESI RoMI/O - 2in 1out with male MIDI and USB connectors and ESI M4U 4inx4out with female connectors Both work perfectly, and do not need any firmware. Dmitry. From fbar at footils.org Thu Aug 3 11:24:48 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Aug 3 11:25:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi to USB converter In-Reply-To: <70a871c80608030652j2263b6a9k90d908009db9aaa7@mail.gmail.com> References: <200608031033.21855.mlist@hk-vision.de> <44D1D90E.101@herhoffer.net> <70a871c80608030652j2263b6a9k90d908009db9aaa7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060803152448.GC5088@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Dmitry Baikov hat gesagt: // Dmitry Baikov wrote: > I use ESI RoMI/O - 2in 1out with male MIDI and USB connectors > and ESI M4U 4inx4out with female connectors > > Both work perfectly, and do not need any firmware. Not having to use a special firmware is a HUGE advantage IMO, because then you can use your device on any machine without having to install the firmware first. So I would prefer these devices over firmware dependent devices. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From clemens at ladisch.de Thu Aug 3 11:45:32 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu Aug 3 11:47:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi to USB converter In-Reply-To: <200608031033.21855.mlist@hk-vision.de> References: <200608031033.21855.mlist@hk-vision.de> Message-ID: <20060803154532.GC26362@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> mlist wrote: > I'm looking for a MIDI to USB converter working with linux. > > I found M-AUDIO MIDISPORT UNO (39 ?), ESI MIDI MATE (33 ?) and SWISSONIC > MIDI-USB 1X1 (20 ?) in a music eqipment shop. All of them should work, the latter two without any firmware hassles. HTH Clemens From mlist at hk-vision.de Thu Aug 3 11:48:08 2006 From: mlist at hk-vision.de (mlist) Date: Thu Aug 3 11:48:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi to USB converter In-Reply-To: <20060803152448.GC5088@fliwatut.scifi> References: <200608031033.21855.mlist@hk-vision.de> <70a871c80608030652j2263b6a9k90d908009db9aaa7@mail.gmail.com> <20060803152448.GC5088@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <200608031748.08754.mlist@hk-vision.de> Hallo, many thanx to all who answered. Regards Helmut (mlist@hk-vision.de) From mlist at hk-vision.de Fri Aug 4 06:24:52 2006 From: mlist at hk-vision.de (mlist) Date: Fri Aug 4 06:25:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Prodikeys DM Message-ID: <200608041224.52577.mlist@hk-vision.de> Hallo, I've got a Creative Prodikeys DM keyboard. It's a very nice piece of hardware with 104 keys PC-keyboard and 37 keys piano-keyboard in one case. There is only one PS/2 interface and not connector for standard MIDI. In the standard delivery there are only drivers for Windows included. My search on google didn't get a solution for Linux. Has anyone got this hardware working with Linux? Is there anywhere a driver available for MIDI over PS/2? Regards Helmut (mlist@hk-vision.de) From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Fri Aug 4 09:46:25 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Fri Aug 4 09:46:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi to USB converter In-Reply-To: References: <200608031033.21855.mlist@hk-vision.de> Message-ID: <1154699185.30371.243.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> FWIW, I bought a z-tec USB to MIDI converter and tried it out last night on a box running suse 9.3 with an old casio keyboard and it worked absolutely fine OOTB; no firmware or anything. God Bless Jonty On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 11:07 +0200, Jay Vaughan wrote: > At 10:33 +0200 3/8/06, mlist wrote: > >I found M-AUDIO MIDISPORT UNO (39 ?), ESI MIDI MATE (33 ?) and SWISSONIC > >MIDI-USB 1X1 (20 ?) in a music eqipment shop. All are not marked as > >linux-products specially. > >Any one experiences with this products or a good advice for an alternative > >solution? > > i use two midiman 2x2's daily. they work, they're rock solid, and > there is GPL'ish firmware available for them .. > -- Jonty Needham From florin at andrei.myip.org Fri Aug 4 14:18:52 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Fri Aug 4 14:19:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] XMMS and Firefox (or Flash?) not playing along nicely Message-ID: <1154715532.2242.5.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Somehow XMMS and Firefox (or rather Firefox media plugins) seem to compete over sound resources. If I start XMMS and then, say, go to YouTube to watch a video, there's no sound from the browser. I have to kill XMMS, browse again, then it works. I am under the impression that it only happens with Flash movies, but those are anyway the only ones that play directly in the browser - for the other formats I use the MediaPlayerConnectivity plugin for Firefox and configured it to launch Xine for WMV, Qt and Real movies. What's the cause and how can I fix it? Fedora Core 5 ALSA-1.0.11 XMMS-1.2.10 Firefox-1.5.0.4 Flash-7.0r63 -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From arnold.krille at gmail.com Fri Aug 4 14:33:24 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Fri Aug 4 14:33:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: XMMS and Firefox (or Flash?) not playing along nicely In-Reply-To: <1154715532.2242.5.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <1154715532.2242.5.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80608041133l1e189f3fi8b78a319d0a0f97@mail.gmail.com> 2006/8/4, Florin Andrei : > Somehow XMMS and Firefox (or rather Firefox media plugins) seem to > compete over sound resources. > What's the cause and how can I fix it? The reason is that Flash and xmms both use old OSS for sound, which allows only one app to access the soundcard at a time. Configure your XMMS to use alsa and start firefox inside an aoss-environment with the command "aoss firefox" instead of plain "firefox". And bug the authors of every app that is still using OSS as default on linux... Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Aug 4 14:33:58 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Aug 4 14:34:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] XMMS and Firefox (or Flash?) not playing along nicely In-Reply-To: <1154715532.2242.5.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <1154715532.2242.5.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <1154716438.2822.68.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 11:18 -0700, Florin Andrei wrote: > Somehow XMMS and Firefox (or rather Firefox media plugins) seem to > compete over sound resources. > > If I start XMMS and then, say, go to YouTube to watch a video, there's > no sound from the browser. I have to kill XMMS, browse again, then it > works. > I am under the impression that it only happens with Flash movies, but > those are anyway the only ones that play directly in the browser - for > the other formats I use the MediaPlayerConnectivity plugin for Firefox > and configured it to launch Xine for WMV, Qt and Real movies. > > What's the cause and how can I fix it? It's because your card lacks hardware mixing support and Flash only supports the OSS API (/dev/dsp) which bypasses ALSA's software mixing. The only solution is to get Flash to support ALSA natively, or get a hardware mixing soundcard. You might be able to work around this limitation of Flash by setting FIREFOX_DSP to "aoss" in /etc/firefox/firefoxrc. Lee From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Aug 4 15:33:08 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Aug 4 15:33:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: XMMS and Firefox (or Flash?) not playing along nicely In-Reply-To: <2def88b80608041133l1e189f3fi8b78a319d0a0f97@mail.gmail.com> References: <1154715532.2242.5.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <2def88b80608041133l1e189f3fi8b78a319d0a0f97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200608042133.08057.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 04 August 2006 20:33, Arnold Krille wrote: > 2006/8/4, Florin Andrei : > > Somehow XMMS and Firefox (or rather Firefox media plugins) seem to > > compete over sound resources. > > What's the cause and how can I fix it? > > The reason is that Flash and xmms both use old OSS for sound, which > allows only one app to access the soundcard at a time. Configure your > XMMS to use alsa and start firefox inside an aoss-environment with the > command "aoss firefox" instead of plain "firefox". > > And bug the authors of every app that is still using OSS as default on > linux... > > Arnold Hi Arnold. Seeing another post suggesting using aoss for the webbrowsers, I changed the command for opera to aoss opera. I'm using a realplayer plugin on it for the BBC radioplayer from bbc.co.uk. But what I am finding with aoss, is that there is now quite a lot of crackling on the sound. A bit like the sound of electrical sparks. Now I can listen to Internet radio, and listen to music at the same time, which isn't easy, but at least it proves that starting opera with aoss works. The problem I had was listening to Internet radio, using realplayer, and using Gaim at the same time. The realplayer plugin would grab the soundcard, and Gaim had no sounds. When I ended the Internet radio session, Gaim would play all it's sounds from the beginning of it's session. all a bit bizarre, and quite funny. Nigel. This is using an Ensoniq card (ens1371 driver) From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Aug 4 16:48:06 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Aug 4 16:45:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music - some more bits. In-Reply-To: <20060802190017.GA7278@charly.SWORD> References: <20060802193331.76a44e1e@localhost> <20060802190017.GA7278@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060804214806.069aa5a1@localhost> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:00:17 +0200 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 07:33:31PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > > > I also recently added 'Music Box' (Shadows) which is a slightly sinister > > tune - all Zyn. I could almost imagine it being played during one of > > Hichcocks horror movies. > > Name and tune match perfectly. Makes me think of puppets, little > girls in large houses, a touch of gothic. Thanks! > You should consider to add a section on your website for > what's new, tunes in chronological order ;) I've been thinking along these lines for a while now, and have now added a new & updates page. > -- > Thorsten Wilms > -- Will J G From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Fri Aug 4 16:57:44 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Fri Aug 4 16:56:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Level Compression Recovery In-Reply-To: <20060803012546.25414.qmail@web52311.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060803012546.25414.qmail@web52311.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060804205744.GC5935@linux-1.site> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 06:25:45PM -0700, Renato Fabbri wrote: > btw, I uploaded 2m of Liszt´s piano sonata in Bm, > played on the concert we are talking about for anyone > interested. It is in 44.1KHz, 16bit, about 10Mb: > > http://cortex.lems.brown.edu/~renato/stuff/pianoconcert2m.zip It's so terribly compressed that there is even no hint of the original dynamics. And even with all this level control it's distorted as well. Beyond repair IMHO. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From _ at whats-your.name Fri Aug 4 18:22:58 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Fri Aug 4 18:23:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] XMMS and Firefox (or Flash?) not playing along nicely In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060804222258.GC22088@replic.net> > If I start XMMS and then, say, go to YouTube to watch a video, there's > no sound from the browser. I have to kill XMMS, browse again, then it > works. > how can I fix it? uninstall flash, install mozplugger or mplayerplug-in, and use this greasemonkey script: http://replic.net/~ix/flashsucks/youtubewoflash.user.js then your flash will stil play in the browser, but it will be using mplayer. which can play through ALSA or JACK, among many others... From florin at andrei.myip.org Fri Aug 4 19:57:01 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Fri Aug 4 19:57:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] XMMS and Firefox (or Flash?) not playing along nicely In-Reply-To: <1154716438.2822.68.camel@mindpipe> References: <1154715532.2242.5.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1154716438.2822.68.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1154735821.2242.15.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 14:33 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > It's because your card lacks hardware mixing support and Flash only > supports the OSS API (/dev/dsp) which bypasses ALSA's software mixing. Probably true, it's a cheap on-board AC'97 chip: # lspci | grep audio 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) > You might be able to work around this limitation of Flash by setting > FIREFOX_DSP to "aoss" in /etc/firefox/firefoxrc. Damn, aoss is not available on Fedora. :-( I had to pull the aoss src.rpm from PlanetCCRMA and rebuild it on my system to obtain the aoss executable. But still, my Firefox does not seem to use the FIREFOX_DSP variable, either in /etc/firefox/firefoxrc, or in ~/.firefoxrc, or as an exported variable in the shell that launches Firefox. The only way that it works is to launch Firefox like this: $ aoss firefox Then it works, XMMS and Flash have sound at the same time. Is that some kind of compile switch for Firefox, that enables that feature, and it's disabled on my distro? P.S.: For the record, my XMMS uses the ALSA output plugin. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Aug 4 20:09:19 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Aug 4 20:09:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] XMMS and Firefox (or Flash?) not playing along nicely In-Reply-To: <1154735821.2242.15.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <1154715532.2242.5.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1154716438.2822.68.camel@mindpipe> <1154735821.2242.15.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <1154736560.2822.143.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 16:57 -0700, Florin Andrei wrote: > Damn, aoss is not available on Fedora. :-( I had to pull the aoss > src.rpm from PlanetCCRMA and rebuild it on my system to obtain the > aoss executable. > You have all alsa-related packages installed? Does Fedora have an alsa-oss package? If it's really unavailable that has to be considered a bug. As you have seen, it's sometimes the only way to make sound work properly! > But still, my Firefox does not seem to use the FIREFOX_DSP variable, > either in /etc/firefox/firefoxrc, or in ~/.firefoxrc, or as an > exported > variable in the shell that launches Firefox. > The only way that it works is to launch Firefox like this: > Hmm, it might be a Ubuntu thing. Did /etc/firefox/firefoxrc exist already, or did you have to create it? > $ aoss firefox > > Then it works, XMMS and Flash have sound at the same time. > > Is that some kind of compile switch for Firefox, that enables that > feature, and it's disabled on my distro? Other people have told me they have no /etc/firefox/firefoxrc. It might be specific to my distro. I guess you could just move firefox to firefox-binary or something, then make /usr/bin/firefox a script that just does "aoss firefox-binary". But, this is really the kind of thing your distro should handle for you. File a Fedora bug report. Lee From chris at mccormick.cx Fri Aug 4 21:24:34 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Fri Aug 4 21:25:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Prodikeys DM In-Reply-To: <200608041224.52577.mlist@hk-vision.de> References: <200608041224.52577.mlist@hk-vision.de> Message-ID: <20060805012434.GA15166@mccormick.cx> On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 12:24:52PM +0200, mlist wrote: > I've got a Creative Prodikeys DM keyboard. It's a very nice piece of hardware > with 104 keys PC-keyboard and 37 keys piano-keyboard in one case. There is > only one PS/2 interface and not connector for standard MIDI. > > In the standard delivery there are only drivers for Windows included. My > search on google didn't get a solution for Linux. > > Has anyone got this hardware working with Linux? > Is there anywhere a driver available for MIDI over PS/2? Hi, I bought the USB version of this keyboard assuming it would support USB MIDI and work out of the box under linux like all the other USB MIDI hardware. Alas, it's only driver is the closed source one for windows. My advice is to do what I did; take it back to the shop and tell them "It's broken under my operating system." Or ask creative if you can have the specs and write a driver. :) Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From brad at sonaural.com Fri Aug 4 21:55:25 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Fri Aug 4 21:55:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] XMMS and Firefox (or Flash?) not playing along nicely In-Reply-To: <1154735821.2242.15.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <1154715532.2242.5.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1154716438.2822.68.camel@mindpipe> <1154735821.2242.15.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <44D3FA8D.9070400@sonaural.com> Florin Andrei wrote: > > Damn, aoss is not available on Fedora. :-( I had to pull the aoss > src.rpm from PlanetCCRMA and rebuild it on my system to obtain the aoss > executable. > that's interesting, as it is available for me on FC5. I don't remember adding it specifically, and I clearly didn't add it by source. > But still, my Firefox does not seem to use the FIREFOX_DSP variable, > either in /etc/firefox/firefoxrc, or in ~/.firefoxrc, or as an exported > variable in the shell that launches Firefox. > The only way that it works is to launch Firefox like this: > > $ aoss firefox > that's how I use it. -- brad fuller sonaural: www.sonaural.com personal: www.bradfuller.com From florin at andrei.myip.org Fri Aug 4 23:49:44 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Fri Aug 4 23:49:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] XMMS and Firefox (or Flash?) not playing along nicely In-Reply-To: <44D3FA8D.9070400@sonaural.com> References: <1154715532.2242.5.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1154716438.2822.68.camel@mindpipe> <1154735821.2242.15.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <44D3FA8D.9070400@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1154749784.2621.4.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 18:55 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > that's interesting, as it is available for me on FC5. I don't remember > adding it specifically, and I clearly didn't add it by source. What's the output if you do "yum provides aoss" ? -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From jri at broadpark.no Sat Aug 5 06:30:03 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Sat Aug 5 06:30:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] XMMS and Firefox (or Flash?) not playing along nicely In-Reply-To: <1154715532.2242.5.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <1154715532.2242.5.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <44D4732B.7010105@broadpark.no> By the way, version 9 of Flash Player for Linux is going to use ALSA and lots of other cool stuff: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/07/api_review_1.html It seems this is gonna be a very much better flashplayer than we've had in the past... (Not that I like Flash, though...) -johannes. Florin Andrei wrote: > Somehow XMMS and Firefox (or rather Firefox media plugins) seem to > compete over sound resources. > > If I start XMMS and then, say, go to YouTube to watch a video, there's > no sound from the browser. I have to kill XMMS, browse again, then it > works. > I am under the impression that it only happens with Flash movies, but > those are anyway the only ones that play directly in the browser - for > the other formats I use the MediaPlayerConnectivity plugin for Firefox > and configured it to launch Xine for WMV, Qt and Real movies. > > What's the cause and how can I fix it? > > Fedora Core 5 > ALSA-1.0.11 > XMMS-1.2.10 > Firefox-1.5.0.4 > Flash-7.0r63 > -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org From torbenh at gmx.de Sat Aug 5 07:48:43 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Sat Aug 5 07:49:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Two soundcards with JACK In-Reply-To: <1154544016.17482.17.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <20060802135939.2397A25F5BDB@music.columbia.edu> <44D0E87E.3010306@isonews2.com> <1154544016.17482.17.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20060805114843.GB8330@mobilat> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 11:40:16AM -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 20:01 +0200, Johan Mattsson wrote: > > Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > > > > > Johan Mattsson: > > >>> You should run one jackd for each card and use jack_diplomat to connect > > >>> them. > > >>> > > >>> Lee > > >>> > > >>> > > >> Having several instances of jack seems like the solve, I am not > > >> interested in sharing audio between the two cards. > > >> > > >> What is jack_diplomat? I found nothing about it on the jack website. > > >> > > >> Will qjackctl work with this? > > >> > > > > > > Isn't it possible to google jack-diplomat? Its jack o'quin's program. > > > > > > Anyway, an easier program to use could be torben hohn's alsa_connect, > > > found inside the jacknet package. With that one, you don't have to > > > start more than one jack server. > > > > I did search on google for jack-diplomat, I ask here since I did not > > find anything useful except for a German wikipage with a dead link. > > Apparently can be found at: > http://spark.woaf.net/jack_diplomat-0.70.tar.bz2 > (found link here: > http://www.archivesat.com/JACK_developers/thread771821.htm) > > -- Fernando > > > > Is using one instance of jackd implying jack everything must be synced? > > If that is the case is using several instances of jack probably better > > even if there is some way around it syncing with jacknet. > > > > Is jacknet netjack? yes. and the program name is alsa_out or alsa_in if you are not satisfied with the latency of alsa_[in|out] then get back at me, and i explain, how to improve the latency. alsa_[in|out] are the best solutions currently available to your problem. we are talking sub ms here. -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Aug 5 09:05:23 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Aug 5 09:05:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] own kernel, ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1154559506.4429.8.camel@mindpipe> References: <44D12C51.7020107@gmail.com> <1154559506.4429.8.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44D49793.6010806@gmail.com> Lee Revell wrote: > I go via a .deb: Thanks, that was very easy. However, I was quite a bit surprised that the stock 2.6.15-26 performs just at well (with realtime chuck) as a patched (http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/) 2.6.17. Maybe 1) I didn't look hard enough (didn't try jack, for instance), 2) the real-time performance of a stock 2.6 kernel has improved beyond what I imagined or 3) even more patches + tweeks were needed for my kernel to outperform ubuntus. -- peace, love & harmony Atte From mestelan at gmail.com Sat Aug 5 10:12:18 2006 From: mestelan at gmail.com (Jean-Baptiste Mestelan) Date: Sat Aug 5 10:12:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: XMMS and Firefox (or Flash?) not playing along nicely In-Reply-To: <200608042133.08057.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <1154715532.2242.5.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <2def88b80608041133l1e189f3fi8b78a319d0a0f97@mail.gmail.com> <200608042133.08057.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: Alternatively, you could try to install http://gige.xdv.org/soft/libjackasyn/ which works similar to aoss, but lets you redirect oss output to the JACK server. I installed it recently in order to listen to www.pandora.com but I have to confess that I get a lot of crackling, making the listening experience very unpleasant. Have to investigate this issue soon (or wait for the new ALSA Flash version ?) Who knows, it could fit some people's needs, though ? On 8/4/06, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Friday 04 August 2006 20:33, Arnold Krille wrote: > > 2006/8/4, Florin Andrei : > > > Somehow XMMS and Firefox (or rather Firefox media plugins) seem to > > > compete over sound resources. > > > What's the cause and how can I fix it? > > > > The reason is that Flash and xmms both use old OSS for sound, which > > allows only one app to access the soundcard at a time. Configure your > > XMMS to use alsa and start firefox inside an aoss-environment with the > > command "aoss firefox" instead of plain "firefox". > > > > And bug the authors of every app that is still using OSS as default on > > linux... > > > > Arnold > > Hi Arnold. Seeing another post suggesting using aoss for the webbrowsers, I > changed the command for opera to aoss opera. I'm using a realplayer plugin on > it for the BBC radioplayer from bbc.co.uk. But what I am finding with aoss, > is that there is now quite a lot of crackling on the sound. A bit like the > sound of electrical sparks. > > Now I can listen to Internet radio, and listen to music at the same time, > which isn't easy, but at least it proves that starting opera with aoss works. > The problem I had was listening to Internet radio, using realplayer, and > using Gaim at the same time. The realplayer plugin would grab the soundcard, > and Gaim had no sounds. When I ended the Internet radio session, Gaim would > play all it's sounds from the beginning of it's session. all a bit bizarre, > and quite funny. > > Nigel. > > This is using an Ensoniq card (ens1371 driver) > > > From smoak at mis.net Sat Aug 5 12:24:41 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Sat Aug 5 12:20:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Two soundcards with JACK In-Reply-To: <20060805114843.GB8330@mobilat> References: <20060802135939.2397A25F5BDB@music.columbia.edu> <1154544016.17482.17.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060805114843.GB8330@mobilat> Message-ID: <200608051224.41352.smoak@mis.net> On Saturday 05 August 2006 07:48, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > > I did search on google for jack-diplomat, I ask here since I did > > > not find anything useful except for a German wikipage with a dead > > > link. > > > > Apparently can be found at: > > http://spark.woaf.net/jack_diplomat-0.70.tar.bz2 > > (found link here: > > http://www.archivesat.com/JACK_developers/thread771821.htm) > > > > -- Fernando > > > > > Is using one instance of jackd implying jack everything must be > > > synced? If that is the case is using several instances of jack > > > probably better even if there is some way around it syncing with > > > jacknet. > > > > > > Is jacknet netjack? > > yes. and the program name is alsa_out or alsa_in > if you are not satisfied with the latency of alsa_[in|out] then > get back at me, and i explain, how to improve the latency. > > alsa_[in|out] are the best solutions currently available to your > problem. > > we are talking sub ms here. Is there a man page or other documentation that explains for a linux novice how to use the programs? Also is there project page? If I've missed it, I'm sorry; been too busy lately ... Thanks, Marv From carotinobg at yahoo.it Sun Aug 6 12:32:10 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Sat Aug 5 12:34:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <200608061832.10729.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 21:58, luned? 31 luglio 2006, Johannes Mario Ringheim ha scritto: > New tune made with GNU/Linux ready for download: > http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org/index_en.html#kanskjeno > > I used lots of stuff on this one, AMS, Seq24, Ardour, Hydrogen and lots > of LADSPA plugins. > > Comments are welcome... Ehi, this song is GREAT! I like about everything of it!:) The smoothness of the sound and the composition is very beautiful! By the way, would you please mail me the sample of the clap-snare? It's so nice:) Bye! Carotinho Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From brad at sonaural.com Sat Aug 5 13:13:43 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Sat Aug 5 13:13:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] XMMS and Firefox (or Flash?) not playing along nicely In-Reply-To: <1154749784.2621.4.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <1154715532.2242.5.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1154716438.2822.68.camel@mindpipe> <1154735821.2242.15.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <44D3FA8D.9070400@sonaural.com> <1154749784.2621.4.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <44D4D1C7.40202@sonaural.com> Florin Andrei wrote: > On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 18:55 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > > >> that's interesting, as it is available for me on FC5. I don't remember >> adding it specifically, and I clearly didn't add it by source. >> > > What's the output if you do "yum provides aoss" ? > > alsa-oss-debuginfo.i386 1.0.11-1.rhfc5.ccrma planetcore Matched from: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libaoss.so.0.0.0.debug libaoss.so.0.0.0.debug alsa-oss.i386 1.0.11-1.rhfc5.ccrma planetcore Matched from: /usr/bin/aoss /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libaoss.so.0.0.0.debug /usr/lib/libaoss.so /usr/lib/libaoss.la /usr/lib/libaoss.so.0.0.0 /usr/lib/libaoss.so.0 /usr/lib/libaoss.a /usr/share/man/man1/aoss.1.gz libaoss.so.0 libaoss.so.0.0.0.debug alsa-oss.i386 1.0.11-1.rhfc5.ccrma installed Matched from: /usr/bin/aoss /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libaoss.so.0.0.0.debug /usr/lib/libaoss.a /usr/lib/libaoss.la /usr/lib/libaoss.so /usr/lib/libaoss.so.0 /usr/lib/libaoss.so.0.0.0 /usr/share/man/man1/aoss.1.gz libaoss.so.0 libaoss.so.0.0.0.debug -- brad fuller sonaural: www.sonaural.com personal: www.bradfuller.com From mayouan at isonews2.com Sat Aug 5 15:05:14 2006 From: mayouan at isonews2.com (Johan Mattsson) Date: Sat Aug 5 15:16:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Two soundcards with JACK In-Reply-To: <200608051224.41352.smoak@mis.net> References: <20060802135939.2397A25F5BDB@music.columbia.edu> <1154544016.17482.17.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060805114843.GB8330@mobilat> <200608051224.41352.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <44D4EBEA.5010604@isonews2.com> M P Smoak wrote: > On Saturday 05 August 2006 07:48, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: >>>> I did search on google for jack-diplomat, I ask here since I did >>>> not find anything useful except for a German wikipage with a dead >>>> link. >>> Apparently can be found at: >>> http://spark.woaf.net/jack_diplomat-0.70.tar.bz2 >>> (found link here: >>> http://www.archivesat.com/JACK_developers/thread771821.htm) >>> >>> -- Fernando >>> >>>> Is using one instance of jackd implying jack everything must be >>>> synced? If that is the case is using several instances of jack >>>> probably better even if there is some way around it syncing with >>>> jacknet. >>>> >>>> Is jacknet netjack? >> yes. and the program name is alsa_out or alsa_in >> if you are not satisfied with the latency of alsa_[in|out] then >> get back at me, and i explain, how to improve the latency. >> >> alsa_[in|out] are the best solutions currently available to your >> problem. >> >> we are talking sub ms here. > > Is there a man page or other documentation that explains for a linux > novice how to use the programs? Also is there project page? If I've > missed it, I'm sorry; been too busy lately ... > Netjack i among others witten by Torben Hohn and has a perfectly fine project page: *netjack*.sourceforge.net jack-diplomat is not the same program as far as I understand. Johan From mayouan at isonews2.com Sat Aug 5 17:13:49 2006 From: mayouan at isonews2.com (Johan Mattsson) Date: Sat Aug 5 17:24:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Two soundcards with JACK In-Reply-To: <20060805114843.GB8330@mobilat> References: <20060802135939.2397A25F5BDB@music.columbia.edu> <44D0E87E.3010306@isonews2.com> <1154544016.17482.17.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060805114843.GB8330@mobilat> Message-ID: <44D50A0D.4010207@isonews2.com> torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 11:40:16AM -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: >> On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 20:01 +0200, Johan Mattsson wrote: [ ... ] >> >> >> Is jacknet netjack? > > yes. and the program name is alsa_out or alsa_in > if you are not satisfied with the latency of alsa_[in|out] then > get back at me, and i explain, how to improve the latency. > > alsa_[in|out] are the best solutions currently available to your > problem. > > we are talking sub ms here. > Amazing! It works, I did not knew this was possible. My complaint however is the performance -- when netjack registers a client causes it uncountable xruns. Even if I do not do anything with it is nearly 100% of my 800 Mhz cpu used by alsa_out. I guess I could use this and simply remove all compensation calculations but this is not what I in the first place want to. Is it possible to run this on my limited hard ware? Johan From thesamo at gmail.com Sat Aug 5 19:22:40 2006 From: thesamo at gmail.com (Kareem Kneawy) Date: Sat Aug 5 19:55:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Audiophile USB with ASLA problems Message-ID: <1154820160.9247.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> hello, I've read everything I could find for this device: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Midiman%2FMAudio&card=Audiophile+USB.&chip=&module=usb-audio and http://alsa.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/alsa/alsa-kernel/Documentation/Audiophile-Usb.txt After following all instructions in the first file, and trying aplay as stated in the second file with device_setup 0x01, I get this: thesamo@blinken ~ $ aplay -D hw:1,0 -c2 -t raw -r48000 -fS16_BE ed.raw Playing raw data 'ed.raw' : Signed 16 bit Big Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Stereo aplay: set_params:962: Unable to install hw params: ACCESS: RW_INTERLEAVED FORMAT: S16_BE SUBFORMAT: STD SAMPLE_BITS: 16 FRAME_BITS: 32 CHANNELS: 2 RATE: 48000 PERIOD_TIME: 125000 PERIOD_SIZE: 6000 PERIOD_BYTES: 24000 PERIODS: 4 BUFFER_TIME: 500000 BUFFER_SIZE: 24000 BUFFER_BYTES: 96000 TICK_TIME: 1000 I tried different device setups and bit-depths but it always comes down to the same error. Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance :) -- theSamo -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't remember > >> adding it specifically, and I clearly didn't add it by source. > > > > What's the output if you do "yum provides aoss" ? > > > alsa-oss-debuginfo.i386 1.0.11-1.rhfc5.ccrma planetcore Yeah, you probably pulled it as a dependency from PlanetCCRMA. Same package like mine. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From renatoftato at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 05:51:50 2006 From: renatoftato at yahoo.com (Renato Fabbri) Date: Sun Aug 6 05:52:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Haskore Message-ID: <20060806095150.75019.qmail@web52313.mail.yahoo.com> Is anyone using Haskel modules Haskore? Is it maintainded? Ehatś ?lgebra or just murmurante? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 17:18:59 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun Aug 6 17:19:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample rate for i8x0 Message-ID: <44D65CC3.8010501@gmail.com> Hi I wan't to play a little with ardour, for now using my (I know, shitty) onboard soundcard. Does anyone happen to know what my card's sample rate is, or (I'm interrested in this anyways) how this information is retrieved from the system? BTW: It's an IBM T41, running stock ubuntu 2.6.15-26-386 kernel. atte@ajstrup:~$ lspci 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82855PM Processor to I/O Controller (rev 03) 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82855PM Processor to AGP Controller (rev 03) 0000:00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01) 0000:00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01) 0000:00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01) 0000:00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01) 0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 81) 0000:00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01) 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller (rev 01) 0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller (rev 01) 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) 0000:00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 01) 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] 0000:02:00.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI4520 PC card Cardbus Controller (rev 01) 0000:02:00.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI4520 PC card Cardbus Controller (rev 01) 0000:02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82540EP Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Mobile) (rev 03) 0000:02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) atte@ajstrup:~$ lsmod | grep snd snd_seq_dummy 3844 0 snd_seq_oss 33536 0 snd_seq_midi 9376 0 snd_rawmidi 25504 1 snd_seq_midi snd_seq_midi_event 7552 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi snd_seq 51984 6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq_device 8716 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq snd_intel8x0 33692 1 snd_ac97_codec 93088 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_bus 2304 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm_oss 53664 0 snd_mixer_oss 18688 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 89864 3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 25220 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd 55268 12 snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 10208 1 snd snd_page_alloc 10632 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm -- peace, love & harmony Atte From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sun Aug 6 18:07:54 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sun Aug 6 18:07:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] own kernel, ubuntu In-Reply-To: <44D49793.6010806@gmail.com> References: <44D12C51.7020107@gmail.com> <1154559506.4429.8.camel@mindpipe> <44D49793.6010806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44D6683A.6080106@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Atte Andr? Jensen schrieb: > Lee Revell wrote: > >> I go via a .deb: > > > Thanks, that was very easy. > > However, I was quite a bit surprised that the stock 2.6.15-26 performs > just at well (with realtime chuck) as a patched a patched one works more stable at higher load, esspecially when it comes to more extreme FX/Synth-tasks - still i work with the stock-kernel too, as i work with ardour most of the time and make synthesized loops and heavy FX separately. I can run it with about 32 Tracks and some LADSPA-Stuff (dynamics, delay, EQ ...) at about 5 ms stable enough for serious work :-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE1mg51Aecwva1SWMRAo25AJoDCUXI8CERdtCov42Cz2xu2T71HACcDOk0 7iRbwnDr8yw9/7XTXb/IBGM= =5xk0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sun Aug 6 20:29:38 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sun Aug 6 20:29:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample rate for i8x0 In-Reply-To: <44D65CC3.8010501@gmail.com> References: <44D65CC3.8010501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060807002938.GA13178@fitz.Belkin> On Sun, 06 Aug, 2006 at 11:18PM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen spake thus: > Hi > > I wan't to play a little with ardour, for now using my (I know, shitty) > onboard soundcard. Does anyone happen to know what my card's sample rate > is, or (I'm interrested in this anyways) how this information is > retrieved from the system? BTW: It's an IBM T41, running stock ubuntu > 2.6.15-26-386 kernel. My i810 is 48kHz and refuses to be anything else. HTH > atte@ajstrup:~$ lspci > 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82855PM Processor to I/O > Controller (rev 03) > 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82855PM Processor to AGP > Controller (rev 03) > 0000:00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM > (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01) > 0000:00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM > (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01) > 0000:00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM > (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01) > 0000:00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) > USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01) > 0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 81) > 0000:00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC > Interface Bridge (rev 01) > 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE > Controller (rev 01) > 0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM > (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller (rev 01) > 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation > 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) > 0000:00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM > (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 01) > 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon > Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] > 0000:02:00.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI4520 PC card Cardbus > Controller (rev 01) > 0000:02:00.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI4520 PC card Cardbus > Controller (rev 01) > 0000:02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82540EP Gigabit > Ethernet Controller (Mobile) (rev 03) > 0000:02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 > 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) > > atte@ajstrup:~$ lsmod | grep snd > snd_seq_dummy 3844 0 > snd_seq_oss 33536 0 > snd_seq_midi 9376 0 > snd_rawmidi 25504 1 snd_seq_midi > snd_seq_midi_event 7552 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi > snd_seq 51984 6 > snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event > snd_seq_device 8716 5 > snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq > snd_intel8x0 33692 1 > snd_ac97_codec 93088 1 snd_intel8x0 > snd_ac97_bus 2304 1 snd_ac97_codec > snd_pcm_oss 53664 0 > snd_mixer_oss 18688 1 snd_pcm_oss > snd_pcm 89864 3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss > snd_timer 25220 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm > snd 55268 12 > snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer > soundcore 10208 1 snd > snd_page_alloc 10632 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm > From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 22:39:53 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Sun Aug 6 22:40:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Macbook Pro + JACKD = incredible latency Message-ID: <000001c6b9ca$c3c72b20$3402a8c0@64BitBadass> FWIW, wanted to share some impressive performance I managed to pull off earlier today from my new toy: RECIPE: 1 Macbook Pro 1 Ubuntu Dapper (vanilla 2.6.15-26 kernel) 1 adjustment to rtlimits (total of 2 lines) 1 fglrx driver 1 Xgl with all eye-candy you can get 1 JACK + Qjackctl 1 32 x 3 buffer size Mix it up. Run in realtime. RESULT: xrun-free 2ms latency on a crummy built-in soundcard (2 in, 6 out) plus all the eye-candy goodness you can possibly dream of at approx. 14% CPU. ;-) Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Composition Virginia Tech Dept. of Music - 0240 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-7047 (540) 231-5034 (fax) ico@vt.edu http://www.music.vt.edu/people/faculty/bukvic/ From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 04:24:07 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Aug 7 04:24:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems Message-ID: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> Hi I just installed xubuntu 6.06 on my T41 laptop. When I start jack like this: "jackstart -R -d alsa -p 64" I get: jackstart: cannot get realtime capabilities, current capabilities are: =ep cap_setpcap-e probably running under a kernel with capabilities disabled, a suitable kernel would have printed something like "=eip" This is both with the stock kernel (2.6.15) and a 2.6.17 patched with http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/ Here's something from my .config: atte@ajstrup:~$ grep PREEMPT /usr/src/linux/.config # CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE is not set # CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY is not set # CONFIG_PREEMPT_DESKTOP is not set CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y CONFIG_PREEMPT=y CONFIG_PREEMPT_SOFTIRQS=y CONFIG_PREEMPT_HARDIRQS=y CONFIG_PREEMPT_BKL=y CONFIG_PREEMPT_RCU=y # CONFIG_DEBUG_PREEMPT is not set # CONFIG_CRITICAL_PREEMPT_TIMING is not set Another thing: Supposed I get the realtime kernel running, one of my usb keyboards (evolution mk-449c) is not recognized (tried both vanilla 2.6.17 and with the patch applied + the 2.6.17.7 w/wout patch). When I plug it in I get this in dmesg: [ 500.792000] usb 2-2.1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 [ 500.916000] usb 2-2.1: no configuration chosen from 1 choice Needless to say, my alsa configuration is exactly the same with all kernels, here's my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base: atte@ajstrup:~$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base # autoloader aliases install sound-slot-0 modprobe snd-card-0 install sound-slot-1 modprobe snd-card-1 install sound-slot-2 modprobe snd-card-2 install sound-slot-3 modprobe snd-card-3 install sound-slot-4 modprobe snd-card-4 install sound-slot-5 modprobe snd-card-5 install sound-slot-6 modprobe snd-card-6 install sound-slot-7 modprobe snd-card-7 # Cause optional modules to be loaded above generic modules install snd modprobe --ignore-install snd $CMDLINE_OPTS && { modprobe -Qb snd-ioctl32 ; : ; } install snd-pcm modprobe --ignore-install snd-pcm $CMDLINE_OPTS && { modprobe -Qb snd-pcm-oss ; : ; } install snd-mixer modprobe --ignore-install snd-mixer $CMDLINE_OPTS && { modprobe -Qb snd-mixer-oss ; : ; } install snd-seq modprobe --ignore-install snd-seq $CMDLINE_OPTS && { modprobe -Qba snd-seq-midi snd-seq-oss ; : ; } # Cause optional modules to be loaded above sound card driver modules install snd-emu10k1 modprobe --ignore-install snd-emu10k1 $CMDLINE_OPTS && { modprobe -Qb snd-emu10k1-synth ; } install snd-via82xx modprobe --ignore-install snd-via82xx $CMDLINE_OPTS && { modprobe -Qb snd-seq ; } # Load saa7134-alsa instead of saa7134 (which gets dragged in by it anyway) install saa7134 modprobe --ignore-install saa7134 $CMDLINE_OPTS && { modprobe -Qb saa7134-alsa ; : ; } # Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0 options snd-bt87x index=-2 options snd-atiixp-modem index=-2 options snd-intel8x0m index=-2 options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2 # i810 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 # ua-1a alias sound-service-1-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-1-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-1-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-1-12 snd-pcm-oss alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio alias sound-slot-1 snd-card-1 #evolution 1 alias snd-card-2 snd-usb-audio alias sound-slot-2 snd-card-2 #evolution 2 alias snd-card-3 snd-usb-audio alias sound-slot-3 snd-card-3 #evolution 2 alias snd-card-4 snd-usb-audio alias sound-slot-4 snd-card-4 options snd-intel8x0 index=0 options snd-usb-audio index=1,2,3,4 vid=0x0582,0x0a4d,0x0a4d,0x0a4d pid=0x0018,0x008e,0x008e,0x008f nrpacks=1 -- peace, love & harmony Atte From bubar at numericable.fr Mon Aug 7 04:53:54 2006 From: bubar at numericable.fr (bubar) Date: Mon Aug 7 04:51:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200608071053.54904.bubar@numericable.fr> Le lundi 7 ao?t 2006 10:24, Atte Andr? Jensen a ?crit?: > jackstart: cannot get realtime capabilities, here is mine : CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE is not set CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY is not set CONFIG_PREEMPT_DESKTOP is not set CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y CONFIG_PREEMPT=y CONFIG_PREEMPT_SOFTIRQS=y CONFIG_PREEMPT_HARDIRQS=y CONFIG_PREEMPT_BKL=y with 1000hz clock and others things ;) so i thing it is not your kernel, but your security configuration. i dont know well about ubuntu : on my rpm' distro, we are using PAM latest version. (pre-config for audio). It is possible you must specify what group can have access to realtime capabilities, something like : /etc/security.limits.conf @audio - rtprio 99 @audio - nice -19 @audio - memlock 500000 (Off course, yours users must be in audio group -verify the gid on your distro, here 81...) Additionnaly, you could simply use a user name. @ for group - 'wildcard' for all (you could write hard or soft only) and specific vocabulary things for rtptio, nice and memlock stuff. too, i had adjusted IRQ for my soundcards ;) (other things in you mail seems good, no ?) regards yvan From fbar at footils.org Mon Aug 7 05:24:44 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon Aug 7 05:25:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060807092444.GK23123@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Atte Andr? Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > I just installed xubuntu 6.06 on my T41 laptop. When I start jack like > this: "jackstart -R -d alsa -p 64" I get: > > jackstart: cannot get realtime capabilities, current capabilities are: > =ep cap_setpcap-e > probably running under a kernel with capabilities disabled, > a suitable kernel would have printed something like "=eip" > > This is both with the stock kernel (2.6.15) and a 2.6.17 patched with > http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/ I think, nobody is using jackstart anymore. Did you try "jackd" directly? Do you have the realtime-lsm-module installed or better yet: Are you running a Rlimits-aware PAM as described here: http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Rlimits-Aware_PAM Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From bubar at numericable.fr Mon Aug 7 06:29:52 2006 From: bubar at numericable.fr (bubar) Date: Mon Aug 7 06:27:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <20060807092444.GK23123@fliwatut.scifi> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> <20060807092444.GK23123@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <200608071229.52617.bubar@numericable.fr> yes ! simple ! jackstart i dont read that, sorry use jackd -R (...) > I think, nobody is using jackstart anymore. Did you try "jackd" > directly? > Do you have the realtime-lsm-module installed lsm with hard realtime from Sir Ingo Molnar patch ?? > or better yet: > Are you running a Rlimits-aware PAM as described here: .com Rlimits ?? again avalaible on ubuntu ? have fun (other thing : dont forget to use 1024 in /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq at boot time to have a complete configuration, maybe) From fbar at footils.org Mon Aug 7 06:59:00 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon Aug 7 06:59:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <200608071229.52617.bubar@numericable.fr> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> <20060807092444.GK23123@fliwatut.scifi> <200608071229.52617.bubar@numericable.fr> Message-ID: <20060807105900.GL23123@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, bubar hat gesagt: // bubar wrote: > yes ! > simple ! jackstart i dont read that, sorry > use jackd -R (...) > > > I think, nobody is using jackstart anymore. Did you try "jackd" > > directly? > > Do you have the realtime-lsm-module installed > lsm with hard realtime from Sir Ingo Molnar patch ?? I don't use any Ingo Molnar realtime patch. Stock kernels are good enough now for most uses latency-wise, IMO. > > or better yet: > > Are you running a Rlimits-aware PAM as described here: .com > Rlimits ?? again avalaible on ubuntu ? AFAIK it's available, but I don't run Ubuntu. Anyway Ubuntustudio provides libpam packages on the URL I mentioned that work fine on Debian as well. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 07:12:56 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Aug 7 07:13:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <20060807092444.GK23123@fliwatut.scifi> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> <20060807092444.GK23123@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <44D72038.4070506@gmail.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > I think, nobody is using jackstart anymore. Did you try "jackd" No, but that + the PAM below seems to work.. > Are you running a Rlimits-aware PAM as described here: > http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Rlimits-Aware_PAM Now I am, thanks. Now Now jackd doesn't complain about capabilities. However even starting it with very conservative settings (jackd -R -d alsa) I get stuff like this when openning programs (tried hydrogen and rosegarden): delay of 20915.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 20815.000; restart ... The messageges are not generated once the programs are started, and when they appear the programs seems (and sounds) fine. Should I simply ignore these messages? -- peace, love & harmony Atte From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 07:14:13 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Aug 7 07:15:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <200608071229.52617.bubar@numericable.fr> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> <20060807092444.GK23123@fliwatut.scifi> <200608071229.52617.bubar@numericable.fr> Message-ID: <44D72085.1020802@gmail.com> bubar wrote: > (other thing : dont forget to use 1024 in /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq at > boot time to have a complete configuration, maybe) What'll that do? -- peace, love & harmony Atte From benjamin.fabricius at lawo.de Mon Aug 7 07:15:13 2006 From: benjamin.fabricius at lawo.de (Benjamin Fabricius) Date: Mon Aug 7 07:16:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP MADI and MIDI Message-ID: <1154949313.6708.7.camel@barney> Hi, i have a rme hdsp madi card running and was wondering if i could make use of the midi ports in it to gain control to some functions. qjackctl does not shows my audio ports and not my midi ports when jack is running. is this normal? i would have expected to see my raw midi ports in the connections window.... my card is running fine otherwise... heres some output: vst:/mnt/testsuite # cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [default ]: HDSPM - HDSPM MADI RME HDSPM MADI at 0xd0200000, irq 11 vst:/mnt/testsuite # cat /proc/asound/devices 4: [0- 0]: hardware dependent 9: [0- 1]: raw midi 8: [0- 0]: raw midi 16: [0- 0]: digital audio playback 24: [0- 0]: digital audio capture 0: [0- 0]: ctl 1: : sequencer 33: : timer vst:/mnt/testsuite # amidi -l Device Name hw:0,0 MIDI 1 hw:0,1 MIDI 2 !!!!!BUT: aconnect does not show any writable or readable midi sources vst:/mnt/testsuite # aconnect -i -o client 0: 'System' [type=kernel] 0 'Timer ' 1 'Announce ' could this be a driver problem or am i missing something here? i've never worked with midi under linux so any help would be greatly apreciated. thanks and cheers, Benjamin -- ------------------- Benjamin Fabricius German Student Lawo AG From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 07:16:08 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Aug 7 07:17:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <200608071053.54904.bubar@numericable.fr> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> <200608071053.54904.bubar@numericable.fr> Message-ID: <44D720F8.1010101@gmail.com> bubar wrote: > with 1000hz clock and others things ;) Hmm, is that essential? What will that do? atte@ajstrup:/boot$ grep HZ config-2.6.15-26-386 # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set CONFIG_HZ_250=y # CONFIG_HZ_1000 is not set CONFIG_HZ=250 CONFIG_MACHZ_WDT=m -- peace, love & harmony Atte From benjamin.fabricius at lawo.de Mon Aug 7 07:17:42 2006 From: benjamin.fabricius at lawo.de (Benjamin Fabricius) Date: Mon Aug 7 07:18:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP MADI and MIDI (correction) Message-ID: <1154949462.6708.9.camel@barney> Hi again, Sorry made a typing mistake there. it should have been qjackctl does show my audio ports but not my midi ports when jack is running. is this normal? i would have expected to see my raw midi ports in the connections window.... Thanks... mondays are kind of ruff ;-) -- ------------------- Benjamin Fabricius German Student Lawo AG From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Aug 7 08:23:48 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Aug 7 08:07:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <44D720F8.1010101@gmail.com> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> <200608071053.54904.bubar@numericable.fr> <44D720F8.1010101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44D730D4.5040401@woh.rr.com> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: >> with 1000hz clock and others things ;) > > > Hmm, is that essential? What will that do? > > atte@ajstrup:/boot$ grep HZ config-2.6.15-26-386 > # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set > CONFIG_HZ_250=y > # CONFIG_HZ_1000 is not set > CONFIG_HZ=250 > CONFIG_MACHZ_WDT=m The 1000 Hz setting audibly improves MIDI event timing, at least to my ears. 250 Hz is really not good enough. Best, dp From bubar at numericable.fr Mon Aug 7 08:24:38 2006 From: bubar at numericable.fr (bubar) Date: Mon Aug 7 08:21:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <44D720F8.1010101@gmail.com> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> <200608071053.54904.bubar@numericable.fr> <44D720F8.1010101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200608071424.39637.bubar@numericable.fr> Le lundi 7 ao?t 2006 13:16, Atte Andr? Jensen a ?crit?: > bubar wrote: > > with 1000hz clock and others things ;) > > Hmm, is that essential? What will that do? > > atte@ajstrup:/boot$ grep HZ config-2.6.15-26-386 > # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set > CONFIG_HZ_250=y > # CONFIG_HZ_1000 is not set > CONFIG_HZ=250 > CONFIG_MACHZ_WDT=m On simple low-latency kernel option (origine from Mr Morton) or Preemptif (origine Mr Love), i thing it is necessary, better, to have a 1000hz clock. with a 250hz, launch rosegarden from term-emulator, and see RG complains about clock. there is another option in kernel config to ""bypass"" , to ""help"" with a 250hz clock, but RG complains ever.) I thing it is better to choice the 1000hz, especially for MIDI input/output/trough From bubar at numericable.fr Mon Aug 7 08:28:43 2006 From: bubar at numericable.fr (bubar) Date: Mon Aug 7 08:26:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <20060807105900.GL23123@fliwatut.scifi> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> <200608071229.52617.bubar@numericable.fr> <20060807105900.GL23123@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <200608071428.44153.bubar@numericable.fr> Le lundi 7 ao?t 2006 12:59, Frank Barknecht a ?crit?: > Hallo, Hallo :) > I don't use any Ingo Molnar realtime patch. Stock kernels are good > enough now for most uses latency-wise, IMO. yes (but i prefer a complete hard real time linux kernel, with posix_cpu_timer in RT and rtnetlink, and watchdog_for_rt off course -another story ;) - ) note : a part of Sir Molnar patch will be integrated near future in stock kernel. From michael at wd21.co.uk Mon Aug 7 08:36:24 2006 From: michael at wd21.co.uk (Michael Pacey) Date: Mon Aug 7 08:43:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <200608071424.39637.bubar@numericable.fr> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> <200608071053.54904.bubar@numericable.fr> <44D720F8.1010101@gmail.com> <200608071424.39637.bubar@numericable.fr> Message-ID: <34060.127.0.0.1.1154954184.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> bubar said: > with a 250hz, launch rosegarden from term-emulator, and see RG complains > about > clock. there is another option in kernel config to ""bypass"" , to > ""help"" > with a 250hz clock, but RG complains ever.) I had this error with Rosegarden and rebuilt my kernel with HZ=1000. Rosegarden still complains. What could I be doing wrong? uname -a indicates I am running the newly built kernel, and I've checked my .config to prove I saved the setting. Maybe there is a way to query the running kernel for the value of HZ? -- Michael Pacey From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 09:22:16 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Aug 7 09:22:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <20060807105900.GL23123@fliwatut.scifi> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> <20060807092444.GK23123@fliwatut.scifi> <200608071229.52617.bubar@numericable.fr> <20060807105900.GL23123@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <44D73E88.603@gmail.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > I don't use any Ingo Molnar realtime patch. Stock kernels are good > enough now for most uses latency-wise, IMO. How do you go about changing the clock=250 limitation mentioned? Or do you don't think it's audible (or live with it)? -- peace, love & harmony Atte From bubar at numericable.fr Mon Aug 7 09:50:11 2006 From: bubar at numericable.fr (bubar) Date: Mon Aug 7 09:47:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <34060.127.0.0.1.1154954184.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> <200608071424.39637.bubar@numericable.fr> <34060.127.0.0.1.1154954184.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200608071550.11495.bubar@numericable.fr> Le lundi 7 ao?t 2006 14:36, Michael Pacey a ?crit?: > bubar said: > > with a 250hz, launch rosegarden from term-emulator, and see RG complains > > about > > clock. there is another option in kernel config to ""bypass"" , to > > ""help"" > > with a 250hz clock, but RG complains ever.) > > I had this error with Rosegarden and rebuilt my kernel with HZ=1000. > Rosegarden still complains. What could I be doing wrong? are you sure you are in audio group ? and second, forget to turn off the hpet kernel option ? finally, on which kernel ? (in 2.6.17, the Mr Gleixnar & Mr Molnar clock time patch make clock near one nanosecond, and add the tickless stuff, too.) http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=115064343409061&w=3 (note in RT patch from Molnar, there is another clock stuff i thing. So we dont need this one) > uname -a indicates I am running the newly built kernel, and I've checked > my .config to prove I saved the setting. Maybe there is a way to query the > running kernel for the value of HZ? cat /proc/asound/timers ? here is : cat /proc/sys/kernel/osrelease 2.6.17-rt8 (gcc 4.1.1, xorg 7.1, nvidia blob, RT configs, all ok) note : i am new on the list, but i love archives :) From cladisch at fastmail.net Mon Aug 7 11:49:48 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon Aug 7 11:49:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP MADI and MIDI In-Reply-To: <1154949313.6708.7.camel@barney> References: <1154949313.6708.7.camel@barney> Message-ID: <1154965788.18750.267814870@webmail.messagingengine.com> Benjamin Fabricius wrote: > vst:/mnt/testsuite # amidi -l > Device Name > hw:0,0 MIDI 1 > hw:0,1 MIDI 2 > > !!!!!BUT: aconnect does not show any writable or readable midi sources Make sure that the snd-seq-midi module is loaded. There was a bug in some older ALSA versions that prevented it from automatically loading this module. You might want to update your kernel to get a newer ALSA. HTH Clemens -- Clemens Ladisch cladisch@fastmail.net From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 12:06:50 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Aug 7 12:07:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] syncing with jack Message-ID: <44D7651A.6010407@gmail.com> Hi I'm a bit confused about how to synchronize instance hydrogen and seq24 (or rosegarden4). I guess they sync alright, but do I really have to set the tempo in all programs? This would make tempo changes quite cumbersome. -- peace, love & harmony Atte From lars.luthman at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 12:18:42 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Mon Aug 7 12:18:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] syncing with jack In-Reply-To: <44D7651A.6010407@gmail.com> References: <44D7651A.6010407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1154967522.13823.1.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Mon, 2006-08-07 at 18:06 +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > I'm a bit confused about how to synchronize instance hydrogen and seq24 > (or rosegarden4). I guess they sync alright, but do I really have to set > the tempo in all programs? This would make tempo changes quite cumbersome. Absolutely not, the tempo set by the timebase master should be followed by all JACK transport clients. I have not used Hydrogen and Seq24 that much so I don't know how well they work. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060807/e4dd9583/attachment.bin From michael at wd21.co.uk Mon Aug 7 12:14:03 2006 From: michael at wd21.co.uk (Michael Pacey) Date: Mon Aug 7 12:21:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <200608071550.11495.bubar@numericable.fr> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> <200608071424.39637.bubar@numericable.fr> <34060.127.0.0.1.1154954184.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> <200608071550.11495.bubar@numericable.fr> Message-ID: <34417.127.0.0.1.1154967243.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> bubar said: >> I had this error with Rosegarden and rebuilt my kernel with HZ=1000. >> Rosegarden still complains. What could I be doing wrong? > are you sure you are in audio group ? Yes, certain. > and second, forget to turn off the hpet kernel option ? Never heard of that, I'll look it up. > finally, on which kernel ? (in 2.6.17, the Mr Gleixnar & Mr Molnar clock > time > patch make clock near one nanosecond, and add the tickless stuff, too.) > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=115064343409061&w=3 > (note in RT patch from Molnar, there is another clock stuff i thing. So we > dont need this one) >From gentoo pro-audio overlay, rt-sources 2.6.16-29-rt >> uname -a indicates I am running the newly built kernel, and I've checked >> my .config to prove I saved the setting. Maybe there is a way to query >> the >> running kernel for the value of HZ? > cat /proc/asound/timers ? You reminded me. I did do that, it says 1000. > here is : cat /proc/sys/kernel/osrelease > 2.6.17-rt8 > (gcc 4.1.1, xorg 7.1, nvidia blob, RT configs, all ok) > note : i am new on the list, but i love archives :) Not at my computer just now... I am thinking this might be a rosegarden problem and not a kernel problem. -- Michael Pacey From dubphil at free.fr Mon Aug 7 12:24:27 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Mon Aug 7 12:24:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] syncing with jack In-Reply-To: <44D7651A.6010407@gmail.com> References: <44D7651A.6010407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2997.80.124.137.204.1154967867.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> > I'm a bit confused about how to synchronize instance hydrogen and seq24 > (or rosegarden4). I guess they sync alright, but do I really have to set > the tempo in all programs? This would make tempo changes quite cumbersome. Yes, hydrogen need this feature to have is tempo changed by the master (seq24). And I think that hydrogen is slave only, so you have to modify it's tempo manually. Regards Philippe From bubar at numericable.fr Mon Aug 7 12:39:01 2006 From: bubar at numericable.fr (bubar) Date: Mon Aug 7 12:36:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <34417.127.0.0.1.1154967243.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> <200608071550.11495.bubar@numericable.fr> <34417.127.0.0.1.1154967243.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200608071839.03180.bubar@numericable.fr> Le lundi 7 ao?t 2006 18:14, vous avez ?crit?: > bubar said: > >> I had this error with Rosegarden and rebuilt my kernel with HZ=1000. > >> Rosegarden still complains. What could I be doing wrong? > > > > are you sure you are in audio group ? > > Yes, certain. > > > and second, forget to turn off the hpet kernel option ? > > Never heard of that, I'll look it up. > > > finally, on which kernel ? (in 2.6.17, the Mr Gleixnar & Mr Molnar clock > > time > > patch make clock near one nanosecond, and add the tickless stuff, too.) > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=115064343409061&w=3 > > (note in RT patch from Molnar, there is another clock stuff i thing. So > > we dont need this one) > > From gentoo pro-audio overlay, rt-sources 2.6.16-29-rt > > >> uname -a indicates I am running the newly built kernel, and I've checked > >> my .config to prove I saved the setting. Maybe there is a way to query > >> the > >> running kernel for the value of HZ? > > > > cat /proc/asound/timers ? > > You reminded me. I did do that, it says 1000. > > > here is : cat /proc/sys/kernel/osrelease > > 2.6.17-rt8 > > (gcc 4.1.1, xorg 7.1, nvidia blob, RT configs, all ok) > > note : i am new on the list, but i love archives :) > > Not at my computer just now... I am thinking this might be a rosegarden > problem and not a kernel problem. yes it is very possible ! here is RoseGarden R4 v1.2.3 (and complain on 250hz, dont complain on 1000hz) regards yvan From renatoftato at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 14:21:12 2006 From: renatoftato at yahoo.com (Renato Fabbri) Date: Mon Aug 7 14:21:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Making a Compressor Message-ID: <20060807182112.41860.qmail@web52315.mail.yahoo.com> does anyone know the basic procedures for making a software audio compressor? i searched the web, nothing i could find... renf __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dawsonwu at rahul.net Mon Aug 7 14:30:24 2006 From: dawsonwu at rahul.net (ken dawson chia wu) Date: Mon Aug 7 14:30:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine: update In-Reply-To: <44CBE888.8090807@woh.rr.com>; from dlphillips@woh.rr.com on Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 07:00:24PM -0400 References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> <44CA7371.4080102@tobiah.org> <44CA88FD.8030603@woh.rr.com> <1154123396.2927.194.camel@mindpipe> <44CA9A08.5000009@woh.rr.com> <44CBE888.8090807@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060807113024.A31734@rahul.net> On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 07:00:24PM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > My brother brought his meter, checked out the PSU. It's dead as dead, > which is actually good news. I'll get a new one, try again. > > Thanks again to everyone helping out. :) > > Best, > > dp Hi, So far as I can tell, this is the last we heard from Dave regarding his system travails. As one who is following this thread with extreme interest, I wonder how things are going. I'm pulling for ya, Dave. /ken From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Aug 7 15:05:52 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Aug 7 14:49:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine: update In-Reply-To: <20060807113024.A31734@rahul.net> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> <44CA7371.4080102@tobiah.org> <44CA88FD.8030603@woh.rr.com> <1154123396.2927.194.camel@mindpipe> <44CA9A08.5000009@woh.rr.com> <44CBE888.8090807@woh.rr.com> <20060807113024.A31734@rahul.net> Message-ID: <44D78F10.5060902@woh.rr.com> ken dawson chia wu wrote: >On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 07:00:24PM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >>Greetings: >> >> My brother brought his meter, checked out the PSU. It's dead as dead, >>which is actually good news. I'll get a new one, try again. >> >> Thanks again to everyone helping out. :) >> >>Best, >> >>dp >> >> > >Hi, > >So far as I can tell, this is the last we heard from Dave regarding his >system travails. As one who is following this thread with extreme >interest, I wonder how things are going. > >I'm pulling for ya, Dave. > > Hi Ken: The saga continues. After reading some later messages re: this thread, I decided to take the system in to a local repair shop. The PSU is fine, my brother wasn't testing it properly (he wasn't sure about it at the time). Alas, the mobo is a deader. I just saw the fellow who supplied the board, he doesn't have another one so he simply paid me back in cash (very nice of him). Now I'm back to getting a new motherboard. I plan to purchase a combo with the CPU installed. My RAM and video card are okay, but the repairman wasn't sure about the CPU (he didn't have a socket 939 mobo for testing). I'm going to make sure about the new board and its processor. The saga continues... :) Best, dp From daneasley at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 15:23:28 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Mon Aug 7 15:24:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] where to put alsa parameters for udev-loaded devices Message-ID: I'm using a Tascam US-122 with a laptop running FC5/CCRMA. I need to have the USX2Y module loaded with an "nrpacks=2" parameter, rather than its default of '4'. Normally, I would put this in /etc/modprobe.conf - but the device is loaded not at startup, but instead by udev. There are no entries for the driver in modprobe.conf, and I can't seem to find where to put the parameter within udev's folders. Any ideas on where this setting should go? I've been manually unloading the driver, then reloading it with that option, but I'm trying to avoid that kind of work on stage. Thanks! -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 15:36:37 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Aug 7 15:36:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <20060807092444.GK23123@fliwatut.scifi> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> <20060807092444.GK23123@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <44D79645.80707@gmail.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > Are you running a Rlimits-aware PAM as described here: > http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Rlimits-Aware_PAM It turns out that 1) installing the above (breezy package) on dapper will break packages depending on newer versions of pam and 2) the package in dapper is already good enough. So basically I had to (after undoing the above): echo @audio - rtprio 99 >> /etc/security/limits.conf echo @audio - memlock 250000 >> /etc/security/limits.conf echo @audio - nice -10 >> /etc/security/limits.conf See: http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Dapper:Studio_Preparation#Real-Time_Support -- peace, love & harmony Atte From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 17:17:37 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Aug 7 17:17:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Making a Compressor In-Reply-To: <20060807182112.41860.qmail@web52315.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060807182112.41860.qmail@web52315.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0608071417xf12bc49s263b36efc061e313@mail.gmail.com> Check out the LADSPA plugins called SC. They are software compressors. You can probably learn a lot just sitting quietly at the feet of the guru master named Steve Harris. http://plugin.org.uk/ladspa-swh/docs/ladspa-swh.html Good luck, Mark On 8/7/06, Renato Fabbri wrote: > does anyone know the basic procedures for making a > software audio compressor? i searched the web, nothing > i could find... > > renf > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From florin at andrei.myip.org Mon Aug 7 18:10:42 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Mon Aug 7 18:10:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] XMMS and Firefox (or Flash?) not playing along nicely In-Reply-To: <1154736560.2822.143.camel@mindpipe> References: <1154715532.2242.5.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1154716438.2822.68.camel@mindpipe> <1154735821.2242.15.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1154736560.2822.143.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1154988642.19712.5.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 20:09 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 16:57 -0700, Florin Andrei wrote: > > Damn, aoss is not available on Fedora. :-( I had to pull the aoss > > src.rpm from PlanetCCRMA and rebuild it on my system to obtain the > > aoss executable. > > You have all alsa-related packages installed? Does Fedora have an > alsa-oss package? > > If it's really unavailable that has to be considered a bug. As you have > seen, it's sometimes the only way to make sound work properly! You're right. It is a bug. I filed a report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=201647 -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From aaron at nquit.com Mon Aug 7 20:17:50 2006 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron Trumm) Date: Mon Aug 7 20:18:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made in Linux anybody? References: <007d01c53e0b$6d94ae30$6500a8c0@nquitlaptop><200504101639.12601.reuben.m@gmail.com><012301c53e73$8e4b2e20$6500a8c0@nquitlaptop> <200504111234.36644.reuben.m@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi everybody! This is Aaron from NQuit and CCRMA and I have this announcement. I'm releasing my newest CD, officially as of tommorrow - or wait - Wednesday - yes. It's called "Bleed" - Aaron J. Trumm "Bleed". I thought it might be of interest to us on this group because this release was recorded entirely in Linux, using Ardour (and Hydrogen on occasion, and probably some soft synths - yes Qsynth I'm sure) http://www.nquit.com/bleed That's the web address for the CD, which has lyrics and little bit of video and buy links and such. It's available from us (NQuit) now and soon it'll be on CDbaby and then distributed to all the digital distributors and online sources and hopefully real world stores will order it, etc. etc. Every page on the site has a short loop of the song in question, and at some point I may be able to throw some more mp3 links your way, but in the meantime here's one: http://www.nquit.com/sounds/AaronTrumm/Bleed/02AaronTrummBleed.mp3 That's the title track, "Bleed". Hope everybody enjoys, and since I'm pretty damn hungry after being a grad student for a year, I kinda hope everybody buys it too *laugh* - A ps: the slick of you will find out something about that mp3 link... ----------- Aaron Trumm www.nquit.com ----------- From aaron at nquit.com Mon Aug 7 20:17:50 2006 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron Trumm) Date: Mon Aug 7 20:24:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made in Linux anybody? References: <007d01c53e0b$6d94ae30$6500a8c0@nquitlaptop><200504101639.12601.reuben.m@gmail.com><012301c53e73$8e4b2e20$6500a8c0@nquitlaptop> <200504111234.36644.reuben.m@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi everybody! This is Aaron from NQuit and CCRMA and I have this announcement. I'm releasing my newest CD, officially as of tommorrow - or wait - Wednesday - yes. It's called "Bleed" - Aaron J. Trumm "Bleed". I thought it might be of interest to us on this group because this release was recorded entirely in Linux, using Ardour (and Hydrogen on occasion, and probably some soft synths - yes Qsynth I'm sure) http://www.nquit.com/bleed That's the web address for the CD, which has lyrics and little bit of video and buy links and such. It's available from us (NQuit) now and soon it'll be on CDbaby and then distributed to all the digital distributors and online sources and hopefully real world stores will order it, etc. etc. Every page on the site has a short loop of the song in question, and at some point I may be able to throw some more mp3 links your way, but in the meantime here's one: http://www.nquit.com/sounds/AaronTrumm/Bleed/02AaronTrummBleed.mp3 That's the title track, "Bleed". Hope everybody enjoys, and since I'm pretty damn hungry after being a grad student for a year, I kinda hope everybody buys it too *laugh* - A ps: the slick of you will find out something about that mp3 link... ----------- Aaron Trumm www.nquit.com ----------- From lau at ballen.fastmail.fm Mon Aug 7 21:16:56 2006 From: lau at ballen.fastmail.fm (Bill Allen) Date: Mon Aug 7 21:18:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <44D730D4.5040401@woh.rr.com> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> <200608071053.54904.bubar@numericable.fr> <44D720F8.1010101@gmail.com> <44D730D4.5040401@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44D7E608.3050208@ballen.fastmail.fm> Dave Phillips wrote: > Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > >>> with 1000hz clock and others things ;) >> >> >> Hmm, is that essential? What will that do? >> >> atte@ajstrup:/boot$ grep HZ config-2.6.15-26-386 >> # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set >> CONFIG_HZ_250=y >> # CONFIG_HZ_1000 is not set >> CONFIG_HZ=250 >> CONFIG_MACHZ_WDT=m > > The 1000 Hz setting audibly improves MIDI event timing, at least to my > ears. 250 Hz is really not good enough. > > Best, > > dp > > > That is very true. Ubuntu changed this setting from 1000 to 250 during dapper development between 2.6.15_18 and 2.6.15_19. I have kept a version of the 2.6.15_18 kernel around just for audio work. I have no idea why the change. Regards, Bill From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Aug 7 21:27:07 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Aug 7 21:26:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <44D7E608.3050208@ballen.fastmail.fm> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> <200608071053.54904.bubar@numericable.fr> <44D720F8.1010101@gmail.com> <44D730D4.5040401@woh.rr.com> <44D7E608.3050208@ballen.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <1155000427.26338.43.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-08-07 at 21:16 -0400, Bill Allen wrote: > That is very true. Ubuntu changed this setting from 1000 to 250 > during > dapper development between 2.6.15_18 and 2.6.15_19. I have kept a > version of the 2.6.15_18 kernel around just for audio work. I have no > idea why the change. > Upstream kernel changed the default "to save battery on laptops and improve performance", and Ubuntu unfortunately went along. Lee From cladisch at fastmail.net Tue Aug 8 02:19:05 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue Aug 8 02:19:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] where to put alsa parameters for udev-loaded devices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1155017945.28567.267869763@webmail.messagingengine.com> Dan Easley wrote: > I need to have the USX2Y module loaded with an "nrpacks=2" parameter, > rather than its default of '4'. > > Normally, I would put this in /etc/modprobe.conf - but the device is > loaded not at startup, but instead by udev. Just put the line options snd-usx2y nrpacks=2 into the /etc/modprobe.conf file. How the module is loaded doesn't matter, modprobe always reads this file. HTH Clemens -- Clemens Ladisch cladisch@fastmail.net From daneasley at gmail.com Tue Aug 8 11:18:21 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Tue Aug 8 11:18:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] where to put alsa parameters for udev-loaded devices In-Reply-To: <1155017945.28567.267869763@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1155017945.28567.267869763@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On 8/8/06, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Just put the line > > into the /etc/modprobe.conf file. How the module is loaded doesn't > matter, modprobe always reads this file. Thanks, Clemens! Things are harder for me to find when they're right in front me. -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Aug 8 19:11:37 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Aug 8 19:11:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Bass V-amp vs V-amp Message-ID: I'm currently playing my bass through my v-amp but i find it a little lacking in vibe. I'm wondering how much different the bass v-amp sounds for bass compared to the guitar v-amp. Is it worth while getting one? Has anyone played a bass through both? I really don't have room in my place for a decent sized practice amp, so either it's buy an amp and move apartments, buy a bass v-amp or live with what i have. I mostly listen through headphones anyway... it keeps my gf happier. So should i go for a bass v-amp? Loki From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Aug 8 19:14:47 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Aug 8 19:15:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Bass V-amp vs V-amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1155078887.26338.126.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 09:11 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > I'm currently playing my bass through my v-amp but i find it a little > lacking in vibe. I'm wondering how much different the bass v-amp > sounds for bass compared to the guitar v-amp. Is it worth while > getting one? Has anyone played a bass through both? I really don't > have room in my place for a decent sized practice amp, so either it's > buy an amp and move apartments, buy a bass v-amp or live with what i > have. I mostly listen through headphones anyway... it keeps my gf > happier. So should i go for a bass v-amp? Can't you listen before buying? Lee From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Aug 8 19:33:35 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Aug 8 19:33:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Bass V-amp vs V-amp In-Reply-To: <1155078887.26338.126.camel@mindpipe> References: <1155078887.26338.126.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 8/9/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 09:11 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > I'm currently playing my bass through my v-amp but i find it a little > > lacking in vibe. I'm wondering how much different the bass v-amp > > sounds for bass compared to the guitar v-amp. Is it worth while > > getting one? Has anyone played a bass through both? I really don't > > have room in my place for a decent sized practice amp, so either it's > > buy an amp and move apartments, buy a bass v-amp or live with what i > > have. I mostly listen through headphones anyway... it keeps my gf > > happier. So should i go for a bass v-amp? > > Can't you listen before buying? > > Lee yeah.... ;) I was first trying to gain some ideas from the all wise and knowing crew here. It's mostly is the bass v-amp a decent option compared to an real bass amp given that would involve finding another apartment ;) I'm scared listening to many bass amps in case i really like one. I was also pretty sure someone on lau/lad has both... bass v-amp and normal. Loki From ce at christeck.de Tue Aug 8 23:54:39 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Aug 8 23:55:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Bass V-amp vs V-amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200608090554.39890.ce@christeck.de> > So should i go for a bass v-amp? as it is much cheaper than moving the apartement - I'd give it a try :) . ce From petespin at att.net Wed Aug 9 09:57:46 2006 From: petespin at att.net (Peter Finnegan) Date: Wed Aug 9 09:57:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Bass V-amp vs V-amp In-Reply-To: References: <1155078887.26338.126.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1155131866.2730.12.camel@gracie> On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 09:33 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > On 8/9/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 09:11 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > > I'm currently playing my bass through my v-amp but i find it a little > > > lacking in vibe. I'm wondering how much different the bass v-amp > > > sounds for bass compared to the guitar v-amp. Is it worth while > > > getting one? Has anyone played a bass through both? I really don't > > > have room in my place for a decent sized practice amp, so either it's > > > buy an amp and move apartments, buy a bass v-amp or live with what i > > > have. I mostly listen through headphones anyway... it keeps my gf > > > happier. So should i go for a bass v-amp? > > > > Can't you listen before buying? > > > > Lee > > yeah.... ;) I was first trying to gain some ideas from the all wise > and knowing crew here. It's mostly is the bass v-amp a decent option > compared to an real bass amp given that would involve finding another > apartment ;) I'm scared listening to many bass amps in case i really > like one. I was also pretty sure someone on lau/lad has both... bass > v-amp and normal. > > Loki With the bass V-amp being inexpensive, compared to a new apartment, rig, or gf ;), it may not be a bad investment. I have a the V-amp pro which I use for Bass and Guitar. I run my bass through a patch with the tube pre-amp and a little bit of compression, and I am quite happy with it. If I have a gig where I can run direct through a PA, it sounds great (and beats hauling a ton of gear). Peter From sonium at gmail.com Wed Aug 9 11:38:18 2006 From: sonium at gmail.com (Maximilian Hupfer) Date: Wed Aug 9 11:38:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Bass V-amp vs V-amp In-Reply-To: <1155131866.2730.12.camel@gracie> References: <1155078887.26338.126.camel@mindpipe> <1155131866.2730.12.camel@gracie> Message-ID: I would use Native Instruments' Guitar Rig wich would give you a maximum of flexibility. If you practice just get some high quality headphones and the soundquality will be awsome. It also works on linux using FST and wine. On 8/9/06, Peter Finnegan wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 09:33 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > On 8/9/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 09:11 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > > > I'm currently playing my bass through my v-amp but i find it a little > > > > lacking in vibe. I'm wondering how much different the bass v-amp > > > > sounds for bass compared to the guitar v-amp. Is it worth while > > > > getting one? Has anyone played a bass through both? I really don't > > > > have room in my place for a decent sized practice amp, so either it's > > > > buy an amp and move apartments, buy a bass v-amp or live with what i > > > > have. I mostly listen through headphones anyway... it keeps my gf > > > > happier. So should i go for a bass v-amp? > > > > > > Can't you listen before buying? > > > > > > Lee > > > > yeah.... ;) I was first trying to gain some ideas from the all wise > > and knowing crew here. It's mostly is the bass v-amp a decent option > > compared to an real bass amp given that would involve finding another > > apartment ;) I'm scared listening to many bass amps in case i really > > like one. I was also pretty sure someone on lau/lad has both... bass > > v-amp and normal. > > > > Loki > > With the bass V-amp being inexpensive, compared to a new apartment, rig, > or gf ;), it may not be a bad investment. > > I have a the V-amp pro which I use for Bass and Guitar. I run my bass > through a patch with the tube pre-amp and a little bit of compression, > and I am quite happy with it. If I have a gig where I can run direct > through a PA, it sounds great (and beats hauling a ton of gear). > > Peter > > From a at gaydenko.com Wed Aug 9 12:13:47 2006 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Wed Aug 9 12:14:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [AN] QLoud-0.1 - measuring loudspeaker response Message-ID: <200608092013.48068@goldspace.net> Hi! I have wrote this app for own audio-DIY use. Probably, somebody else will find the app useful too. I'll be happy in such case :-) Source: http://gaydenko.com/qloud/qloud-0.1.tar.bz2 Screenshot (180KB): http://gaydenko.com/qloud/shot01.png ===== README ====== QLoud is a tool to measure a loudspeaker frequency response. Writing this app is inspired by excellent applications written by Fons Adriaensen: http://users.skynet.be/solaris/linuxaudio/ Theoretical background belongs to Angelo Farina: http://pcfarina.eng.unipr.it/ In particular, this method was used: http://pcfarina.eng.unipr.it/Public/Papers/134-AES00.PDF Few hints: - move mouse above "?" sign at plot window and wait, - to delete measurement, use context menu on mesurements table, - to see what the app do, just connect app's JACK ports and try, - to see what your sound card do, use loopback for line in/out, - using "very smooth" fractional octave smoothing is hungry for CPU. So be patient when select more rather 1/3 octave smoothing (1/3 octave and less smoothing is rather interactive). Feedback: Please, add "QLoud" to your message subject. My email is: a@gaydenko.com ===== INSTALL ===== Requirements: - QT4 ( http://trolltech.com/ ), I use 4.1.4 version, - Qwt ( http://qwt.sourceforge.net/ ) from current CVS tree (probably, last official CVS qwt5 snapshot will work too), - JACK ( http://jackaudio.org/ ), - sndfile ( http://www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile/ ), - fftw ( http://www.fftw.org/ ). Installation: - look in src/src.pro to modify include dirs if you want, - run qmake make 'qloud' excecutable will be in 'bin' directory. From pcoccoli at gmail.com Wed Aug 9 12:37:16 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Wed Aug 9 12:37:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Bass V-amp vs V-amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8d27a0610608090937t199aadf7p233944fd393c3a08@mail.gmail.com> On 8/8/06, Loki Davison wrote: > I'm currently playing my bass through my v-amp but i find it a little > lacking in vibe. I'm wondering how much different the bass v-amp > sounds for bass compared to the guitar v-amp. Is it worth while > getting one? Has anyone played a bass through both? I really don't > have room in my place for a decent sized practice amp, so either it's > buy an amp and move apartments, buy a bass v-amp or live with what i > have. I mostly listen through headphones anyway... it keeps my gf > happier. So should i go for a bass v-amp? > > Loki > If I had the money, I'd get a SansAmp Bass Driver DI. People on talkbass.com rave about it. You need a mic pre (with headphone jack in you case) though, as it has an XLR mic output. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Aug 9 18:57:22 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Aug 9 18:57:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] zynaddsubfx save/load Message-ID: <44DA6852.5070408@gmail.com> Hi I guess there are quite a few zynaddsubfx-users here, so here goes: How do I save/load a whole "setup" of zynaddsubfx? This should be handled in one go, and should (at least) include patches for the 16 slots, their volume + fx settings. -- peace, love & harmony Atte From cesare at poeticstudios.com Wed Aug 9 21:06:05 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Wed Aug 9 19:06:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] zynaddsubfx save/load In-Reply-To: <44DA6852.5070408@gmail.com> References: <44DA6852.5070408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44DA867D.9090207@poeticstudios.com> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I guess there are quite a few zynaddsubfx-users here, so here goes: > > How do I save/load a whole "setup" of zynaddsubfx? This should be > handled in one go, and should (at least) include patches for the 16 > slots, their volume + fx settings. > File -> Save all parameters. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT -- Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, restrugo@fateware.com From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Aug 9 19:24:19 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Aug 9 19:24:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] zynaddsubfx save/load In-Reply-To: <44DA867D.9090207@poeticstudios.com> References: <44DA6852.5070408@gmail.com> <44DA867D.9090207@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <44DA6EA3.5040400@gmail.com> Cesare Marilungo wrote: > File -> Save all parameters. Arhggr. The slightly odd naming threw me off, sorry for being stupid... -- peace, love & harmony Atte From quip.mail at gmail.com Wed Aug 9 21:49:20 2006 From: quip.mail at gmail.com (kenquad) Date: Wed Aug 9 22:05:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack won't start on OpenSuSE 10.0 running KDE Message-ID: <5737011.post@talk.nabble.com> Hi all: I'm running an OpenSuSE 10.0 machine with KDE and trying to get JACK .99 / Ardour working. I'm using qtJackctrl to try and start the server. Here's what it outputs: 20:00:46.917 Startup script? 20:00:46.917 artsshell -q terminate unix_connect: can?t connect to server (unix:/tmp/ksocket-user/linux.site-3114-44d6631f) 20:00:47.235 Startup script terminated with exit status=256. 20:00:47.235 JACK is starting? 20:00:47.235 /usr/bin/jackd -R -m -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -H 20:00:47.252 JACK was started with PID=5337 (0x14d9). jackd 0.99.0 Copyright 2001-2003 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details loading driver .. apparent rate = 48000 creating alsa driver ? hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|hwmon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:0 configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods 20:00:47.262 JACK was stopped successfully. 20:00:49.359 Could not connect to JACK server as client. My soundcard, an SB0410, seems to be properly recognized by SuSE. I tried going into kControl and turning off the KDE sound system, with no effect. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Jack-won%27t-start-on-OpenSuSE-10.0-running-KDE-tf2082288.html#a5737011 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From daneasley at gmail.com Wed Aug 9 22:23:12 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Wed Aug 9 22:25:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] further success with tascam us-122 Message-ID: just an update, and a reminder to tascam us-122 users: make sure acpi is turned off. i've struggled (off and on) for about half a year to get stable low-latency performance out of this device (connected to a dell inspiron 1150). it's been quite frustrating at times - semi-stable high latency performance, with maddeningly random alsa timeouts - terribly unstable low latency performance, with jack losing connection to alsa around 2 minutes after starting. with acpi and cpuspeed turned off, rtirq and permissions set, snd-usb-usx2y module loaded with nrpacks=1 parameter set, and using the hwX,2 hwdep experimental alsa interface, i've been running at 256x2 (11.6 msec) with zero overruns and no audio glitches for about 10 hours now, and am confident enough in the system to take it on stage. acpi was the real dealbreaker. based on google searches it's the same story on windows. thanks much for all the archived advice i used to get to this point. i don't recommend the interface, by the way. far cry from the m-audio pci stuff i'm accustomed to, where i could install the programs and leave them running for weeks at a time, and everything just worked. and i never would've bought the thing had i done enough research to see it only has RCA outputs. still, getting the thing running stably is a huge step for me - you've no idea how excited i was to get home from work and see qjackctl's start button still grayed out. back to learning ardour. pd at some point. -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Aug 9 19:03:46 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Aug 10 05:18:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Bass V-amp vs V-amp In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610608090937t199aadf7p233944fd393c3a08@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d27a0610608090937t199aadf7p233944fd393c3a08@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060809230346.GA9820@slinkp.com> On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:37:16PM -0400, Paul Coccoli wrote: > If I had the money, I'd get a SansAmp Bass Driver DI. People on > talkbass.com rave about it. You need a mic pre (with headphone jack > in you case) though, as it has an XLR mic output. OTOH, having been a bassist for about 25 years now, I can't stand the SansAmp BDDI. It's not a very "neutral" device - it has a strong personality, it scoops out vast amounts of midrange no matter what you do with the tone controls. For my taste, that is totally wrong. Lots of people like it... poor lost souls :) For going DI, I prefer a decent passive DI followed by tweaking with plugins if necessary. SC4 is very handy; so is the 10-band EQ (I forget which suite that comes from). I also sometimes use the "tube warmth" or whatever it's called. I really prefer micing the amp, but I recognize that's not always doable. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Aug 10 06:06:15 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Aug 10 06:06:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] unsteady seq24 Message-ID: <44DB0517.6070600@gmail.com> Hi I feel my seq24 is a bit untight. I thought it was due to my clock resolution was set to 250 hz (std ubuntu setting) so I grabbed a new kernel, patched it with http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/ and switched clock resolution to 1000 hz. However the (slight) untightness is still there, so it must be something else. What should I look for? I run xubuntu 6.06 and the problem is observed when seq24 drives hydrogen. It's worse when theres activity on the machine. -- peace, love & harmony Atte From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Thu Aug 10 06:55:17 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Thu Aug 10 06:55:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Track Message-ID: <1155207317.6952.106.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Dear All This kind of uses some uncleared samples -- the vocals, which belong to the lovely Misty Edwards. Drums are one loop, ("It's a new day" at the start) then all the rest is hydrogen. Sequenced in Rosegarden, mastered (preliminarily) in Audacity, recorded in Ardour, and all instruments are Zynaddsubfx and the piano is qsynth. Let me know what you think. At http://www.cs.bath.ac.uk/~jmn20/Noah_final.ogg God bless Jonty -- Jonty Needham From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Aug 10 07:15:48 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Thu Aug 10 07:16:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] unsteady seq24 In-Reply-To: <44DB0517.6070600@gmail.com> References: <44DB0517.6070600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060810131548.00318eac@mango.fruits> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:06:15 +0200 Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I feel my seq24 is a bit untight. I thought it was due to my clock > resolution was set to 250 hz (std ubuntu setting) so I grabbed a new > kernel, patched it with > http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/ and switched clock > resolution to 1000 hz. > > However the (slight) untightness is still there, so it must be > something else. What should I look for? > > I run xubuntu 6.06 and the problem is observed when seq24 drives > hydrogen. It's worse when theres activity on the machine. seq24's midi thread runs at a too low prio even in realtime mode. change line 1007 of perform.cc to: schp->sched_priority = 80; and line 1565, too That helps on my box.. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Aug 10 07:22:40 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Aug 10 07:22:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Track In-Reply-To: <1155207317.6952.106.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1155207317.6952.106.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20060810112240.GB7292@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 11:55:17AM +0100, Jonty Needham wrote: > Let me know what you think. > > At http://www.cs.bath.ac.uk/~jmn20/Noah_final.ogg I think it's a shame you're using uncleared samples. The ding-dong piano gets heavily on my nerves. The best parts are when it goes wild. IMHO, you should drop everything else and makes this realy bite like a facehugger :) What's up with that indentation in your mail? -- Thorsten Wilms From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Aug 10 07:25:07 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Thu Aug 10 07:25:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] unsteady seq24 In-Reply-To: <20060810131548.00318eac@mango.fruits> References: <44DB0517.6070600@gmail.com> <20060810131548.00318eac@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <20060810132507.531c9f74@mango.fruits> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:15:48 +0200 Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:06:15 +0200 > Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I feel my seq24 is a bit untight. I thought it was due to my clock > > resolution was set to 250 hz (std ubuntu setting) so I grabbed a new > > > > kernel, patched it with > > http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/ and switched clock > > resolution to 1000 hz. > > > > However the (slight) untightness is still there, so it must be > > something else. What should I look for? > > > > I run xubuntu 6.06 and the problem is observed when seq24 drives > > hydrogen. It's worse when theres activity on the machine. > > seq24's midi thread runs at a too low prio even in realtime mode. > > change line 1007 of perform.cc to: > > schp->sched_priority = 80; > > > and line 1565, too > > That helps on my box.. Ah and of course run seq24 with --priority Also make sure your irq/jack priority setup is ok. Read for example, this page: http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=40 Have fun, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From alewis at systemsfusion.com Thu Aug 10 07:54:55 2006 From: alewis at systemsfusion.com (Andrew Lewis) Date: Thu Aug 10 07:58:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible Message-ID: <200608101354.56011.alewis@systemsfusion.com> It's a mash-up of other artists stuff, so it can be considered non-free/probably copyright infringement - if you are the artist or their representation, please don't sue! http://xzghgh.za.org/ladiesnitenoizfest/part1.ogg ^^ There's a part2 azwell, which isn't quite as good.... This was all done with TerminatorX, completely live and un-edited. I'm using TerminatorX to make some mixes of my original material too (which I'm sorry to say at this point - was made mostly with 'that other OS', but my Linux stuff is coming along). I'm very interested in GDAM but at this point, haven't managed to get it to make noise yet. ;( Also interested in using TerminatorX to make original compositions. Yesterday was women's day in South Africa, thus the night before was 'Ladies Nite'??? Artists I should credit (those of which I can remember in any case): part1: Kevin Blechdom, Minibosses, Dev/Null, Xanopticon, Maldoror part2: Radiohead, Gold Chains & Sue Cie, Nirvana, Vladislav Delay, Some bollywood music I forget :\ Completely unrelated to linux music or this post but plz checkout this very xcellent artist: http://computertruck.parishq.net/ And this great artist who introduced me to him: http://www.goto80.com That will be all, Andrew From pcoccoli at gmail.com Thu Aug 10 08:16:05 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Thu Aug 10 08:16:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Bass V-amp vs V-amp In-Reply-To: <20060809230346.GA9820@slinkp.com> References: <8d27a0610608090937t199aadf7p233944fd393c3a08@mail.gmail.com> <20060809230346.GA9820@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <8d27a0610608100516l22bcfckf6d12d994ec9110a@mail.gmail.com> On 8/9/06, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:37:16PM -0400, Paul Coccoli wrote: > > If I had the money, I'd get a SansAmp Bass Driver DI. People on > > talkbass.com rave about it. You need a mic pre (with headphone jack > > in you case) though, as it has an XLR mic output. > > OTOH, having been a bassist for about 25 years now, > I can't stand the SansAmp BDDI. It's not a very "neutral" device - > it has a strong personality, it scoops out vast amounts of > midrange no matter what you do with the tone controls. > For my taste, that is totally wrong. > Hmm, I hadn't heard that. I've never actually played one. > Lots of people like it... poor lost souls :) > > For going DI, I prefer a decent passive DI followed by > tweaking with plugins if necessary. SC4 is very handy; so is the 10-band EQ > (I forget which suite that comes from). I also sometimes use > the "tube warmth" or whatever it's called. > I use the DIs in my cheapo M-Audio Audio Buddy. They sound ok to me, and I like cheap stuff. The CAPS tube amp sims sound ok on bass, but probably need low-pass filters (or EQ) after them. > I really prefer micing the amp, but I recognize that's not > always doable. > > -- > > Paul Winkler > http://www.slinkp.com > From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Aug 10 09:20:03 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Aug 10 09:20:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] unsteady seq24 In-Reply-To: <20060810131548.00318eac@mango.fruits> References: <44DB0517.6070600@gmail.com> <20060810131548.00318eac@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <44DB3283.2030703@gmail.com> Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > seq24's midi thread runs at a too low prio even in realtime mode. > > change line 1007 of perform.cc to: > > schp->sched_priority = 80; > > > and line 1565, too Haven't tried out your fine suggestions yet, but this sounds like something that should be changed in seq24 in the first place. I mean if everyone should patch this from source to get reliable midi performance (which is pretty much what seq24 is all about), I would consider this a bug in seq24. Or am I missing something? I'll see how it works with your other suggestions first, since I'd like to run as much software as possible unpatched from the debian mirrors... -- peace, love & harmony Atte From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Thu Aug 10 09:24:46 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Thu Aug 10 09:24:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <200608101354.56011.alewis@systemsfusion.com> References: <200608101354.56011.alewis@systemsfusion.com> Message-ID: <1155216286.6952.117.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> I love it. I really really love it! I must look into terminator X. On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 13:54 +0200, Andrew Lewis wrote: > It's a mash-up of other artists stuff, so it can be considered > non-free/probably copyright infringement - if you are the artist or their > representation, please don't sue! > > http://xzghgh.za.org/ladiesnitenoizfest/part1.ogg > > ^^ There's a part2 azwell, which isn't quite as good.... > > This was all done with TerminatorX, completely live and un-edited. > > I'm using TerminatorX to make some mixes of my original material too (which > I'm sorry to say at this point - was made mostly with 'that other OS', but my > Linux stuff is coming along). I'm very interested in GDAM but at this point, > haven't managed to get it to make noise yet. ;( Also interested in using > TerminatorX to make original compositions. > > Yesterday was women's day in South Africa, thus the night before was 'Ladies > Nite'??? > > Artists I should credit (those of which I can remember in any case): > > part1: Kevin Blechdom, Minibosses, Dev/Null, Xanopticon, Maldoror > part2: Radiohead, Gold Chains & Sue Cie, Nirvana, Vladislav Delay, Some > bollywood music I forget :\ > > Completely unrelated to linux music or this post but plz checkout this very > xcellent artist: > http://computertruck.parishq.net/ > And this great artist who introduced me to him: > http://www.goto80.com > > That will be all, > Andrew -- Jonty Needham From tuimonen at cc.hut.fi Thu Aug 10 09:37:19 2006 From: tuimonen at cc.hut.fi (Tommi Sakari Uimonen) Date: Thu Aug 10 09:37:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] zynaddsubfx save/load In-Reply-To: <44DA6EA3.5040400@gmail.com> References: <44DA6852.5070408@gmail.com> <44DA867D.9090207@poeticstudios.com> <44DA6EA3.5040400@gmail.com> Message-ID: >> File -> Save all parameters. > And you can load them already from the commandline with -l zynaddsubfx -l my_great_parameters.xmz At least I use this because loading the parameters after zyn has started usually zombifies it in JACK. Tommi From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Thu Aug 10 09:42:33 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Thu Aug 10 09:42:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Track In-Reply-To: <20060810112240.GB7292@charly.SWORD> References: <1155207317.6952.106.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060810112240.GB7292@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <1155217353.6952.120.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Many thanks. That's what I've been trying to tell some people. I suppose the piano part sounds a little more in context of the original track, "As in the Days of Noah" by Misty Edwards. Thoughts: You don't find the drum part too compressed do you? Also do you know of anything I can use to make a smoother piano sound than qsynth? On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 13:22 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 11:55:17AM +0100, Jonty Needham wrote: > > > Let me know what you think. > > > > At http://www.cs.bath.ac.uk/~jmn20/Noah_final.ogg > > I think it's a shame you're using uncleared samples. The ding-dong > piano gets heavily on my nerves. The best parts are when it goes > wild. IMHO, you should drop everything else and makes this realy > bite like a facehugger :) > > What's up with that indentation in your mail? > > > -- > Thorsten Wilms -- Jonty Needham From segoh at gmx.net Thu Aug 10 10:08:57 2006 From: segoh at gmx.net (Sebastian Gutsfeld) Date: Thu Aug 10 10:09:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <1155216286.6952.117.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> (Jonty Needham's message of "Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:24:46 +0100") References: <200608101354.56011.alewis@systemsfusion.com> <1155216286.6952.117.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20060810140901.5F0542766ADE@music.columbia.edu> Jonty Needham writes: > I love it. I really really love it! I must look into terminator X. Me too! > On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 13:54 +0200, Andrew Lewis wrote: >> Completely unrelated to linux music or this post but plz checkout this very >> xcellent artist: >> http://computertruck.parishq.net/ Thanks for this link. BTW: I really enjoyed reading this Wired article about 8-bit punk: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.11/mclaren.html Caused me to take out my old Gameboy and C64. What a pity I can't use my Transferer for the Gameboy flash cards with linux. regards, Sebastian From mestelan at gmail.com Thu Aug 10 10:24:19 2006 From: mestelan at gmail.com (Jean-Baptiste Mestelan) Date: Thu Aug 10 10:24:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Bass V-amp vs V-amp In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610608100516l22bcfckf6d12d994ec9110a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d27a0610608090937t199aadf7p233944fd393c3a08@mail.gmail.com> <20060809230346.GA9820@slinkp.com> <8d27a0610608100516l22bcfckf6d12d994ec9110a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I wondered if I such a DI box would make sense in my recording setup : bass ---> mixing console ---> soundcard How useful would it be to insert a DI ? bass ---> DI --> mixing console ---> soundcard A guitarist friend of mine has tried to convince me so, but I did not exactly grasp the whole argument ... I would have thought that the console already serves as a preamp, but I may miss some point ? Thanks for advice. On 8/10/06, Paul Coccoli wrote: > On 8/9/06, Paul Winkler wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:37:16PM -0400, Paul Coccoli wrote: > > > If I had the money, I'd get a SansAmp Bass Driver DI. People on > > > talkbass.com rave about it. You need a mic pre (with headphone jack > > > in you case) though, as it has an XLR mic output. > > > > OTOH, having been a bassist for about 25 years now, > > I can't stand the SansAmp BDDI. It's not a very "neutral" device - > > it has a strong personality, it scoops out vast amounts of > > midrange no matter what you do with the tone controls. > > For my taste, that is totally wrong. > > > > Hmm, I hadn't heard that. I've never actually played one. > > > Lots of people like it... poor lost souls :) > > > > For going DI, I prefer a decent passive DI followed by > > tweaking with plugins if necessary. SC4 is very handy; so is the 10-band EQ > > (I forget which suite that comes from). I also sometimes use > > the "tube warmth" or whatever it's called. > > > > I use the DIs in my cheapo M-Audio Audio Buddy. They sound ok to me, > and I like cheap stuff. The CAPS tube amp sims sound ok on bass, but > probably need low-pass filters (or EQ) after them. > > > I really prefer micing the amp, but I recognize that's not > > always doable. > > > > -- > > > > Paul Winkler > > http://www.slinkp.com > > > From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Thu Aug 10 10:44:46 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Thu Aug 10 10:44:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intersting requirement. Message-ID: <1155221086.6952.127.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Dear Guys, Having searched without success, I'm trying to find a command line piece of software which allows me to listen to a track, and, using command line interface, cut the start of the track off, up to an arbitrary point, and do the same with the end of the track. It is intended for someone who is blind to be able to edit the start and ends of mp3 lecture files. Can anyone help with this? Many Thanks God Bless -- Jonty Needham From ce at christeck.de Thu Aug 10 10:55:26 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Thu Aug 10 10:56:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intersting requirement. In-Reply-To: <1155221086.6952.127.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1155221086.6952.127.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200608101655.26859.ce@christeck.de> Hi Jonty, > It is intended for > someone who is blind to be able to edit the start and ends of mp3 > lecture files. what about sox? Though I didn't try it, it has a trim option (start, length). ce From brad at sonaural.com Thu Aug 10 10:56:54 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Aug 10 10:57:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intersting requirement. In-Reply-To: <1155221086.6952.127.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1155221086.6952.127.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <44DB4936.6010905@sonaural.com> Jonty Needham wrote: > Dear Guys, > > Having searched without success, I'm trying to find a command line piece > of software which allows me to listen to a track, and, using command > line interface, cut the start of the track off, up to an arbitrary > point, and do the same with the end of the track. It is intended for > someone who is blind to be able to edit the start and ends of mp3 > lecture files. Can anyone help with this? > > Many Thanks > God Bless > Did you check out ecasound? -- brad fuller sonaural: www.sonaural.com personal: www.bradfuller.com From rtp405 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 11:12:42 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Thu Aug 10 11:12:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <200608101354.56011.alewis@systemsfusion.com> Message-ID: <20060810151242.53487.qmail@web39712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Andrew Lewis wrote: > It's a mash-up of other artists stuff, so it can be > considered > non-free/probably copyright infringement You think? - if you > are the artist or their > representation, please don't sue! I have great appreciation for the licensing of the software we use and the respect people pay to those terms. When you flagarantly violate expressed rights and then fly it in my face, I have to tell you to cease these activities. If nothing else, this demand disassociates me from you and your act of copyright violation. > I'm using TerminatorX to make some mixes of my > original material too (which > I'm sorry to say at this point - was made mostly > with 'that other OS', but my > Linux stuff is coming along). I look forward to hearing your original music. Ron I'm very interested in > GDAM but at this point, > haven't managed to get it to make noise yet. ;( Also > interested in using > TerminatorX to make original compositions. > > Yesterday was women's day in South Africa, thus the > night before was 'Ladies > Nite'??? > > Artists I should credit (those of which I can > remember in any case): > > part1: Kevin Blechdom, Minibosses, Dev/Null, > Xanopticon, Maldoror > part2: Radiohead, Gold Chains & Sue Cie, Nirvana, > Vladislav Delay, Some > bollywood music I forget :\ > > Completely unrelated to linux music or this post but > plz checkout this very > xcellent artist: > http://computertruck.parishq.net/ > And this great artist who introduced me to him: > http://www.goto80.com > > That will be all, > Andrew > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Aug 10 11:14:56 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Thu Aug 10 11:15:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] unsteady seq24 In-Reply-To: <44DB3283.2030703@gmail.com> References: <44DB0517.6070600@gmail.com> <20060810131548.00318eac@mango.fruits> <44DB3283.2030703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060810171456.29c89ab2@mango.fruits> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:20:03 +0200 Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Haven't tried out your fine suggestions yet, but this sounds like > something that should be changed in seq24 in the first place. I mean > if everyone should patch this from source to get reliable midi > performance (which is pretty much what seq24 is all about), I would > consider this a bug in seq24. Or am I missing something? > > I'll see how it works with your other suggestions first, since I'd > like to run as much software as possible unpatched from the debian > mirrors... > Ah well, you can check the effect of this manually: run seq24 --priority and then check i.e. htop output to see which threads seq24 has and change thei prio of the SCHED_FIFO threads with chrt, to see whether this fixes the timing issue. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Aug 10 11:17:07 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Aug 10 11:17:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Track In-Reply-To: <1155217353.6952.120.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1155207317.6952.106.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060810112240.GB7292@charly.SWORD> <1155217353.6952.120.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20060810151707.GD7292@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 02:42:33PM +0100, Jonty Needham wrote: > Thoughts: You don't find the drum part too compressed do you? Nope. > Also do you know of anything I can use to make a smoother piano sound > than qsynth? A real piano? ;) My advice is to leave it out, though. -- Thorsten Wilms From gidi at pandora.be Thu Aug 10 11:23:28 2006 From: gidi at pandora.be (Gerd Dehu) Date: Thu Aug 10 11:23:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intersting requirement. In-Reply-To: <1155221086.6952.127.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1155221086.6952.127.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <44DB4F70.1080401@pandora.be> Jonty Needham schreef: > Dear Guys, > > Having searched without success, I'm trying to find a command line piece > of software which allows me to listen to a track, and, using command > line interface, cut the start of the track off, up to an arbitrary > point, and do the same with the end of the track. It is intended for > someone who is blind to be able to edit the start and ends of mp3 cutmp3 From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Aug 10 14:25:41 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Aug 10 12:25:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Bass V-amp vs V-amp In-Reply-To: References: <8d27a0610608090937t199aadf7p233944fd393c3a08@mail.gmail.com> <20060809230346.GA9820@slinkp.com> <8d27a0610608100516l22bcfckf6d12d994ec9110a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44DB7A25.3000207@poeticstudios.com> If the soundcard preamp are good enough and your soundcard has an HI-Z switch (my Edirol UA-25 has both) I would remove even the mixing console from your setup. The best results are achieved with a clean unprocessed signal (don't even eq it) to be captured by the soundcard, and then applying digital effects inside the DAW. If your soundcard can record at 24bit and you store your WAVs at this resolution you can even go without a compressor/limiter before entering the soundcard. 24bit resolution is enough to preserve dynamics even if you record at a safe level and then compress your track digitally. If the soundcard latency is low enough you can even listen to the processed signal (like some compression, for the bass) while recording (Ardour for instance can do that). Just my thoughts, c. Jean-Baptiste Mestelan wrote: > I wondered if I such a DI box would make sense in my recording setup : > bass ---> mixing console ---> soundcard > > How useful would it be to insert a DI ? > bass ---> DI --> mixing console ---> soundcard > > A guitarist friend of mine has tried to convince me so, but I did not > exactly grasp the whole argument ... I would have thought that the > console already serves as a preamp, but I may miss some point ? > > Thanks for advice. > > On 8/10/06, Paul Coccoli wrote: > >> On 8/9/06, Paul Winkler wrote: >> > On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:37:16PM -0400, Paul Coccoli wrote: >> > > If I had the money, I'd get a SansAmp Bass Driver DI. People on >> > > talkbass.com rave about it. You need a mic pre (with headphone jack >> > > in you case) though, as it has an XLR mic output. >> > >> > OTOH, having been a bassist for about 25 years now, >> > I can't stand the SansAmp BDDI. It's not a very "neutral" device - >> > it has a strong personality, it scoops out vast amounts of >> > midrange no matter what you do with the tone controls. >> > For my taste, that is totally wrong. >> > >> >> Hmm, I hadn't heard that. I've never actually played one. >> >> > Lots of people like it... poor lost souls :) >> > >> > For going DI, I prefer a decent passive DI followed by >> > tweaking with plugins if necessary. SC4 is very handy; so is the >> 10-band EQ >> > (I forget which suite that comes from). I also sometimes use >> > the "tube warmth" or whatever it's called. >> > >> >> I use the DIs in my cheapo M-Audio Audio Buddy. They sound ok to me, >> and I like cheap stuff. The CAPS tube amp sims sound ok on bass, but >> probably need low-pass filters (or EQ) after them. >> >> > I really prefer micing the amp, but I recognize that's not >> > always doable. >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Paul Winkler >> > http://www.slinkp.com >> > >> > > -- www.cesaremarilungo.com On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT -- Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, restrugo@fateware.com From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Aug 10 12:52:47 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Aug 10 12:50:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] zynaddsubfx save/load In-Reply-To: <44DA6EA3.5040400@gmail.com> References: <44DA6852.5070408@gmail.com> <44DA867D.9090207@poeticstudios.com> <44DA6EA3.5040400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060810175247.5d024d8a@localhost> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:24:19 +0200 Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > > File -> Save all parameters. > > Arhggr. The slightly odd naming threw me off, sorry for being stupid... Join the club :) -- Will J G From lars.luthman at gmail.com Thu Aug 10 12:53:10 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Thu Aug 10 12:52:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] zynaddsubfx save/load In-Reply-To: <44DA6EA3.5040400@gmail.com> References: <44DA6852.5070408@gmail.com> <44DA867D.9090207@poeticstudios.com> <44DA6EA3.5040400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1155228790.13823.7.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 01:24 +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > > File -> Save all parameters. > > Arhggr. The slightly odd naming threw me off, sorry for being stupid... There is also a patch on the SF project page that adds LASH support, so you can save it with the rest of your session. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060810/4680c4d6/attachment.bin From pcoccoli at gmail.com Thu Aug 10 13:35:20 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Thu Aug 10 13:35:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Bass V-amp vs V-amp In-Reply-To: References: <8d27a0610608090937t199aadf7p233944fd393c3a08@mail.gmail.com> <20060809230346.GA9820@slinkp.com> <8d27a0610608100516l22bcfckf6d12d994ec9110a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8d27a0610608101035n4e176292he4f550b91bd41cd5@mail.gmail.com> On 8/10/06, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan wrote: > I wondered if I such a DI box would make sense in my recording setup : > bass ---> mixing console ---> soundcard > > How useful would it be to insert a DI ? > bass ---> DI --> mixing console ---> soundcard > > A guitarist friend of mine has tried to convince me so, but I did not > exactly grasp the whole argument ... I would have thought that the > console already serves as a preamp, but I may miss some point ? > > Thanks for advice. > It should sound better using a DI since it will match the impedance. What type of input are you using on the mixing console? Borrow your friend's DI to hear the difference for yourself. From juan at nixbox.com.ar Thu Aug 10 16:07:54 2006 From: juan at nixbox.com.ar (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_Marcelo_Rodr=EDguez?=) Date: Thu Aug 10 16:08:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tango Improvisation with some midi synths. Message-ID: <44DB921A.1020901@nixbox.com.ar> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello people, Here is an improvisation mine of the Tango called "Sur". This version is free, and isn't tango at all in the concept of the interpretation. However, it's a kind of new project I'm going to perform. I recorded four synth lines, without modify them after their first recording, so there are some mistakes... But I want to hear opinions about it. Tango, if you don't know, it's a very popular and well performed music in Argentina. The song was made with free vst plugins recorded with Ardour 1, using qjackctl, and fst. Four stereo tracks, in Slackware 10.2/Current with - -rt kernel 2.6.16 and Fluxbox. I just modified the volume and added little stereo tricks, not more. Enjoy or don't enjoy it!, but feel free to suggest ideas to improve my work!.. Best wishes. http://www.nixbox.com.ar/sur.mp3 Juan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE25IZwWB8GXdhYbcRAhPbAJ4ixAST/L2ZVx0lUQBdBN5QbvYb6gCfVU6S ZVwsAiskYxxr/OGLNQ8qiZU= =1DOi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Thu Aug 10 17:00:59 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Thu Aug 10 17:00:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Track In-Reply-To: <1155207317.6952.106.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1155207317.6952.106.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <44DB9E8B.4050707@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jonty Needham schrieb: Let me > know what > you think. i like the distortion very much, it really works - maybe there could be some more melodic movement in the vibrating synthvoice at about 4min but the sound and the rhythmic surprises keep the track far from being too conventinal/predictable. I really like the stuff (in the sense of i plan to hear it frequently as i hear killing joke or tool etc etc :-) ) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE256L1Aecwva1SWMRAs+0AKCN7iauN2lkZ5VrL4ztAJxNJNjvQACcD6K3 tzrWXSrJ+GDTsMnzIia7EXU= =iUd2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Aug 10 17:19:13 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Aug 10 17:16:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tango Improvisation with some midi synths. In-Reply-To: <44DB921A.1020901@nixbox.com.ar> References: <44DB921A.1020901@nixbox.com.ar> Message-ID: <20060810221913.1c176b63@localhost> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:07:54 -0300 Juan Marcelo Rodr?guez wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello people, > Here is an improvisation mine of the Tango called "Sur". This > version is free, and isn't tango at all in the concept of the > interpretation. However, it's a kind of new project I'm going to > perform. > > I recorded four synth lines, without modify them after their first > recording, so there are some mistakes... But I want to hear opinions > about it. Tango, if you don't know, it's a very popular and well > performed music in Argentina. > > The song was made with free vst plugins recorded with Ardour 1, using > qjackctl, and fst. Four stereo tracks, in Slackware 10.2/Current with > - -rt kernel 2.6.16 and Fluxbox. I just modified the volume and added > little stereo tricks, not more. > > Enjoy or don't enjoy it!, but feel free to suggest ideas to improve my > work!.. > > Best wishes. > > http://www.nixbox.com.ar/sur.mp3 > > Juan Hmmm, Well in the first place I congratulate you on your piano playing. It is clearly an instrument you are comfortable with. However, in this piece it seems to me to be too upfront. Also the other parts don't (to me) seem to fit comfortably together. Sometimes they almost interrupt each other. -- Will J G From mestelan at gmail.com Thu Aug 10 17:51:34 2006 From: mestelan at gmail.com (Jean-Baptiste Mestelan) Date: Thu Aug 10 17:51:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Bass V-amp vs V-amp In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610608101035n4e176292he4f550b91bd41cd5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d27a0610608090937t199aadf7p233944fd393c3a08@mail.gmail.com> <20060809230346.GA9820@slinkp.com> <8d27a0610608100516l22bcfckf6d12d994ec9110a@mail.gmail.com> <8d27a0610608101035n4e176292he4f550b91bd41cd5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Paul and Cesare. I use the jack input on my mixing console. The soundcard is a Delta 44, which has no preamps, and will accept a line-level signal. Sorry, but I've never really understood too well impedance issues :-/ I just found this on the web, which suggests that an active bass (which I got) already has low-Z output, and therefore requires no DI ? http://www.whirlwindusa.com/ftp/tech/tech03.pdf A high impedance line that is interacting with outside electrical interference will act more like an "antenna" than a low impedance line. This problem can get worse as the cable gets longer. This effect is usually insignificant for a guitar or high-Z microphone plugged into an amp with a 15' cord but it can have a big effect if that same signal is sent 100' down a snake. These are reasons why a high impedance signal is almost always converted to low impedance with the use of a Direct Box (DI) before being sent long distances. Another reason for the use of a DI is that it takes a two conductor unbalanced line and converts it to a three conductor balanced line. This is a separate issue, not to be confused with impedance. It is a common misconception that all lines that use regular tip/sleeve ?" guitar cord type connectors are high impedance. Not so. The output from a guitar that has a battery operated active preamplifier or pickup system will be low impedance in nature. So will the output of an electronic keyboard, guitar preamplifier or guitar effects processor. The signals are unbalanced but LOW impedance in nature. On 8/10/06, Paul Coccoli wrote: > On 8/10/06, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan wrote: > > I wondered if I such a DI box would make sense in my recording setup : > > bass ---> mixing console ---> soundcard > > > > How useful would it be to insert a DI ? > > bass ---> DI --> mixing console ---> soundcard > > > > A guitarist friend of mine has tried to convince me so, but I did not > > exactly grasp the whole argument ... I would have thought that the > > console already serves as a preamp, but I may miss some point ? > > > > Thanks for advice. > > > > It should sound better using a DI since it will match the impedance. > What type of input are you using on the mixing console? > > Borrow your friend's DI to hear the difference for yourself. > From creisor at gmail.com Thu Aug 10 18:20:02 2006 From: creisor at gmail.com (Chris Reisor) Date: Thu Aug 10 18:20:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Track In-Reply-To: <1155207317.6952.106.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1155207317.6952.106.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3e1f2d940608101520w70205333p7aae01403426f8fa@mail.gmail.com> I'm not one of those really technical guys, so I can't give you that kind of help, but I really liked the track. It schewed a bit techno for my taste, but I liked it just the same (particularly the trip-hoppy intro). Great drums and it doesn' t overstay its welcome. As for the piano, I think if you just found a better sample it could sound fine. I like the idea of it, but the sample itself is a bit harsh and tinny. A warmer sound would fix it. On 8/10/06, Jonty Needham wrote: > Dear All > > This kind of uses some uncleared samples -- the vocals, which > belong to the lovely Misty Edwards. Drums > are one loop, ("It's a new day" at the start) then all the rest > is hydrogen. Sequenced in > Rosegarden, mastered (preliminarily) in Audacity, recorded in > Ardour, and > all instruments are Zynaddsubfx and the piano is qsynth. Let me > know what > you think. > > At http://www.cs.bath.ac.uk/~jmn20/Noah_final.ogg > > God bless > Jonty > -- > Jonty Needham > > From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Aug 10 18:28:16 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Aug 10 18:28:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] unsteady seq24 In-Reply-To: <44DB0517.6070600@gmail.com> References: <44DB0517.6070600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44DBB300.8050602@gmail.com> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > I feel my seq24 is a bit untight. Ok, tried 1.000.000 things before installing specimen. seq24 runs rock steady on that, with stock kernel, unpatched seq24/specimen/zynaddsubfx from ubuntu. So I guess hydrogen is to blame (or me for doing something wrong with it). I still have a few questions, but I'll throw them in another thread. Thanks for the suggestions. -- peace, love & harmony Atte From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Aug 10 18:31:33 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Aug 10 18:31:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] specimen takes 98% cpu Message-ID: <44DBB3C5.8060401@gmail.com> Hi I installed specimen on my Pentium M 1.6 laptop. It eats up 98% (or whatever is left) of the cpu just sitting there, nothing loaded, nothing playing. Threw a few samples at it, and it seems to run just fine, the system isn't slowed down or anything. But is this really normal? Anyway to avoid it? -- peace, love & harmony Atte From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Aug 10 20:45:08 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Aug 10 18:45:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Bass V-amp vs V-amp In-Reply-To: References: <8d27a0610608090937t199aadf7p233944fd393c3a08@mail.gmail.com> <20060809230346.GA9820@slinkp.com> <8d27a0610608100516l22bcfckf6d12d994ec9110a@mail.gmail.com> <8d27a0610608101035n4e176292he4f550b91bd41cd5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44DBD314.3090907@poeticstudios.com> Jean-Baptiste Mestelan wrote: > Thanks Paul and Cesare. > > I use the jack input on my mixing console. > The soundcard is a Delta 44, which has no preamps, and will accept a > line-level signal. > > Sorry, but I've never really understood too well impedance issues :-/ > > I just found this on the web, which suggests that an active bass > (which I got) already has low-Z output, and therefore requires no DI ? > http://www.whirlwindusa.com/ftp/tech/tech03.pdf > > A high impedance line that is interacting with outside electrical > interference will act more like an "antenna" than a low impedance > line. This problem can get worse as the cable gets longer. This effect > is usually insignificant for a guitar or high-Z microphone plugged > into an amp with a 15' cord but it can have a big effect if that same > signal is sent 100' down a snake. These are reasons why a high > impedance signal is almost always converted to low impedance with the > use of a Direct Box (DI) before being sent long distances. > > Another reason for the use of a DI is that it takes a two conductor > unbalanced line and converts it to a three conductor balanced line. > This is a separate issue, not to be confused with impedance. It is a > common misconception that all lines that use regular tip/sleeve ?" > guitar cord type connectors are high impedance. Not so. The output > from a guitar that has a battery operated active preamplifier or > pickup system will be low impedance in nature. So will the output of > an electronic keyboard, guitar preamplifier or guitar effects > processor. The signals are unbalanced but LOW impedance in nature. > > On 8/10/06, Paul Coccoli wrote: > >> On 8/10/06, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan wrote: >> > I wondered if I such a DI box would make sense in my recording >> setup : >> > bass ---> mixing console ---> soundcard >> > >> > How useful would it be to insert a DI ? >> > bass ---> DI --> mixing console ---> soundcard >> > >> > A guitarist friend of mine has tried to convince me so, but I did not >> > exactly grasp the whole argument ... I would have thought that the >> > console already serves as a preamp, but I may miss some point ? >> > >> > Thanks for advice. >> > >> >> It should sound better using a DI since it will match the impedance. >> What type of input are you using on the mixing console? >> >> Borrow your friend's DI to hear the difference for yourself. >> You can always disable every other effect from the V-amp and just use it as a DI box. It serves this purpose for a guitar so it should go well with a bass too. If you're going to buy a direct input box consider some better preamp that can add some warmth to the sound. I just got a ART Studio V3 Tube amp (it also has a small valve). You should find it around $75. Anyway, while searching something else I've found this [wikipedia]: [...] Another important sonic innovation was McCartney's discovery of the direct injection (DI) technique, in which he could record his bass by plugging it directly into an amplifying circuit in the recording console. This provided a vastly improved level of presence, power and fidelity over the old method, which was to record the bass through an amplifier with a microphone. [...] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sgt._Pepper_Lonely%27s_Hearts_Club_Band Cheers, c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT -- Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, restrugo@fateware.com From james at dis-dot-dat.net Thu Aug 10 18:49:39 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Thu Aug 10 18:48:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Track In-Reply-To: <1155207317.6952.106.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1155207317.6952.106.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20060810224939.GH13178@fitz.Belkin> On Thu, 10 Aug, 2006 at 11:55AM +0100, Jonty Needham spake thus: > Dear All > > This kind of uses some uncleared samples -- the vocals, which > belong to the lovely Misty Edwards. Drums > are one loop, ("It's a new day" at the start) then all the rest > is hydrogen. Sequenced in > Rosegarden, mastered (preliminarily) in Audacity, recorded in > Ardour, and > all instruments are Zynaddsubfx and the piano is qsynth. Let me > know what > you think. > > At http://www.cs.bath.ac.uk/~jmn20/Noah_final.ogg I wasn't sure about the start, and then it went all Aphrodite and a sat here jigging in my chair. Lovely. I'd suggest trying to keep it a bit cleaner though. I have the same problems myself, when the bass is as loud and forefront as I like, it crunches around all over the treble, making it sound like some rudeboy with his car stereo up louder than it can really handle. Try keeping the mix quieter and then putting it through the amazing Jamin to get the final mastering right. Keep up the good work! James > God bless > Jonty From james at dis-dot-dat.net Thu Aug 10 18:54:14 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Thu Aug 10 18:53:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <200608101354.56011.alewis@systemsfusion.com> References: <200608101354.56011.alewis@systemsfusion.com> Message-ID: <20060810225414.GI13178@fitz.Belkin> On Thu, 10 Aug, 2006 at 01:54PM +0200, Andrew Lewis spake thus: > It's a mash-up of other artists stuff, so it can be considered > non-free/probably copyright infringement - if you are the artist or their > representation, please don't sue! > > http://xzghgh.za.org/ladiesnitenoizfest/part1.ogg squarepusher-tastic > ^^ There's a part2 azwell, which isn't quite as good.... > > This was all done with TerminatorX, completely live and un-edited. > > I'm using TerminatorX to make some mixes of my original material too (which > I'm sorry to say at this point - was made mostly with 'that other OS', but my > Linux stuff is coming along). I'm very interested in GDAM but at this point, > haven't managed to get it to make noise yet. ;( Also interested in using > TerminatorX to make original compositions. > > Yesterday was women's day in South Africa, thus the night before was 'Ladies > Nite'??? > > Artists I should credit (those of which I can remember in any case): > > part1: Kevin Blechdom, Minibosses, Dev/Null, Xanopticon, Maldoror > part2: Radiohead, Gold Chains & Sue Cie, Nirvana, Vladislav Delay, Some > bollywood music I forget :\ > > Completely unrelated to linux music or this post but plz checkout this very > xcellent artist: > http://computertruck.parishq.net/ > And this great artist who introduced me to him: > http://www.goto80.com > > That will be all, > Andrew > From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Aug 10 19:00:51 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?windows-1252?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Aug 10 19:01:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] specimen takes 98% cpu In-Reply-To: <44DBB3C5.8060401@gmail.com> References: <44DBB3C5.8060401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44DBBAA3.6030603@gmail.com> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Anyway > to avoid it? Well slightly related: also tried downloading/making specimen from here: http://zhevny.com/specimen/downloads.html I end up with this error: then mv -f ".deps/envelopetab.Tpo" ".deps/envelopetab.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/envelopetab.Tpo"; exit 1; fi cc1: warnings being treated as errors envelopetab.c: In function ?envelope_tab_init?: envelopetab.c:341: warning: passing argument 5 of ?phat_slider_button_new_with_range? makes pointer from integer without a cast envelopetab.c:344: warning: passing argument 2 of ?phat_slider_button_set_format? makes pointer from integer without a cast make[3]: *** [envelopetab.o] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/atte/software/specimen/specimen-0.5.1/src/gui' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/atte/software/specimen/specimen-0.5.1/src' make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/atte/software/specimen/specimen-0.5.1/src' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 anyone knows what I'm supposed to do next? -- peace, love & harmony Atte From eric at zhevny.com Thu Aug 10 19:28:42 2006 From: eric at zhevny.com (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Thu Aug 10 19:28:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] specimen takes 98% cpu In-Reply-To: <44DBB3C5.8060401@gmail.com> References: <44DBB3C5.8060401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060810232842.GA21814@zhevny.com> On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 12:31:33AM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I installed specimen on my Pentium M 1.6 laptop. It eats up 98% (or > whatever is left) of the cpu just sitting there, nothing loaded, nothing > playing. Threw a few samples at it, and it seems to run just fine, the > system isn't slowed down or anything. But is this really normal? Anyway > to avoid it? What version of specimen is that? -Eric Rz. From eric at zhevny.com Thu Aug 10 19:29:02 2006 From: eric at zhevny.com (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Thu Aug 10 19:29:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] specimen takes 98% cpu In-Reply-To: <44DBBAA3.6030603@gmail.com> References: <44DBB3C5.8060401@gmail.com> <44DBBAA3.6030603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060810232902.GB21814@zhevny.com> On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 01:00:51AM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > >Anyway > >to avoid it? > > Well slightly related: also tried downloading/making specimen from here: > > http://zhevny.com/specimen/downloads.html > > I end up with this error: > > then mv -f ".deps/envelopetab.Tpo" ".deps/envelopetab.Po"; else > rm -f ".deps/envelopetab.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > cc1: warnings being treated as errors > envelopetab.c: In function ?envelope_tab_init?: > envelopetab.c:341: warning: passing argument 5 of > ?phat_slider_button_new_with_range? makes pointer from integer without a > cast > envelopetab.c:344: warning: passing argument 2 of > ?phat_slider_button_set_format? makes pointer from integer without a cast > make[3]: *** [envelopetab.o] Error 1 > make[3]: Leaving directory > `/home/atte/software/specimen/specimen-0.5.1/src/gui' > make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/atte/software/specimen/specimen-0.5.1/src' > make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/atte/software/specimen/specimen-0.5.1/src' > make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > anyone knows what I'm supposed to do next? What version of phat do you have? -ERic Rz. From dplist at free.fr Thu Aug 10 20:03:50 2006 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Thu Aug 10 20:03:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Track In-Reply-To: <20060810224939.GH13178@fitz.Belkin> References: <1155207317.6952.106.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060810224939.GH13178@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060811020350.a8969968.dplist@free.fr> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:49:39 +0100 james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > I'd suggest trying to keep it a bit cleaner though. I have the same > problems myself, when the bass is as loud and forefront as I like, it > crunches around all over the treble, making it sound like some rudeboy > with his car stereo up louder than it can really handle. Try keeping > the mix quieter and then putting it through the amazing Jamin to get > the final mastering right. I agree with James on that : there is distortion, audible even before the appearance of the dnb groove (you can hear it as soon as the bass synth enters in, that is very early). And it's not an ear friendly, say analog like, distortion. It's clipping and a quick look at a peak meter confirms this. I suppose you've been too brutal with some limiter settings ... Anyway, your track is on par with a lot of in-your-face dnb tracks I could get my ears on, but the sound quality, especially on headphones, don't serve it right. "Phat" is not equivalent to "clipped" I think ... Redo the mix, and it should rock ! Have a nice day. -- David From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Aug 10 20:07:32 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Aug 10 20:07:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] specimen takes 98% cpu In-Reply-To: <44DBBAA3.6030603@gmail.com> References: <44DBB3C5.8060401@gmail.com> <44DBBAA3.6030603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1155254852.20210.39.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-08-11 at 01:00 +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > Anyway > > to avoid it? > > Well slightly related: also tried downloading/making specimen from here: > > http://zhevny.com/specimen/downloads.html > > I end up with this error: > > then mv -f ".deps/envelopetab.Tpo" ".deps/envelopetab.Po"; else > rm -f ".deps/envelopetab.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > cc1: warnings being treated as errors This is your problem - you have -Werror in your CFLAGS. Don't do that. Lee From juan at nixbox.com.ar Thu Aug 10 22:12:00 2006 From: juan at nixbox.com.ar (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_Marcelo_Rodr=EDguez?=) Date: Thu Aug 10 22:12:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tango Improvisation with some midi synths. In-Reply-To: <20060810221913.1c176b63@localhost> References: <44DB921A.1020901@nixbox.com.ar> <20060810221913.1c176b63@localhost> Message-ID: <44DBE770.1040808@nixbox.com.ar> Folderol wrote: > On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:07:54 -0300 > Juan Marcelo Rodr?guez wrote: > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hello people, >> Here is an improvisation mine of the Tango called "Sur". This >> version is free, and isn't tango at all in the concept of the >> interpretation. However, it's a kind of new project I'm going to >> perform. >> >> I recorded four synth lines, without modify them after their first >> recording, so there are some mistakes... But I want to hear opinions >> about it. Tango, if you don't know, it's a very popular and well >> performed music in Argentina. >> >> The song was made with free vst plugins recorded with Ardour 1, using >> qjackctl, and fst. Four stereo tracks, in Slackware 10.2/Current with >> - -rt kernel 2.6.16 and Fluxbox. I just modified the volume and added >> little stereo tricks, not more. >> >> Enjoy or don't enjoy it!, but feel free to suggest ideas to improve my >> work!.. >> >> Best wishes. >> >> http://www.nixbox.com.ar/sur.mp3 >> >> Juan >> > > Hmmm, > > Well in the first place I congratulate you on your piano playing. It is > clearly an instrument you are comfortable with. > > Thanks :)))))) > However, in this piece it seems to me to be too upfront. Also the other > parts don't (to me) seem to fit comfortably together. Sometimes they > almost interrupt each other. > Yes. After your suggestion I realized that problem. And of course, as I told you above, it was very experimental. Best Juan From dana at ubuntustudio.com Fri Aug 11 01:47:21 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Fri Aug 11 01:46:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <44D79645.80707@gmail.com> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> <20060807092444.GK23123@fliwatut.scifi> <44D79645.80707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1155275241.7466.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-08-07 at 21:36 +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Frank Barknecht wrote: > > > Are you running a Rlimits-aware PAM as described here: > > http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Rlimits-Aware_PAM > > It turns out that 1) installing the above (breezy package) on dapper > will break packages depending on newer versions of pam and 2) the > package in dapper is already good enough. So basically I had to (after > undoing the above): > > echo @audio - rtprio 99 >> /etc/security/limits.conf > echo @audio - memlock 250000 >> /etc/security/limits.conf > echo @audio - nice -10 >> /etc/security/limits.conf > > See: > http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Dapper:Studio_Preparation#Real-Time_Support > No one said to install Breezy packages on Dapper. If you are running Dapper and want to follow anything in the wiki, please stay in the Dapper pages and not the Breezy pages. I don't update the Breezy pages anymore, and um, the Dapper pages are there for Dapper (as you might suspect). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060811/8957249c/attachment.bin From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 03:45:44 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri Aug 11 03:45:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] specimen takes 98% cpu In-Reply-To: <20060810232842.GA21814@zhevny.com> References: <44DBB3C5.8060401@gmail.com> <20060810232842.GA21814@zhevny.com> Message-ID: <44DC35A8.5080209@gmail.com> Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > What version of specimen is that? atte@ajstrup:~$ apt-cache show specimen | grep Version Version: 0.4.5-3.1 Installed from ubuntu -- peace, love & harmony Atte From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 03:47:13 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri Aug 11 03:47:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] specimen takes 98% cpu In-Reply-To: <20060810232902.GB21814@zhevny.com> References: <44DBB3C5.8060401@gmail.com> <44DBBAA3.6030603@gmail.com> <20060810232902.GB21814@zhevny.com> Message-ID: <44DC3601.1080600@gmail.com> Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > What version of phat do you have? atte@ajstrup:~$ apt-cache show libphat0-dev | grep Version Version: 0.2.3-1 -- peace, love & harmony Atte From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 03:47:51 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri Aug 11 03:48:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] specimen takes 98% cpu In-Reply-To: <1155254852.20210.39.camel@mindpipe> References: <44DBB3C5.8060401@gmail.com> <44DBBAA3.6030603@gmail.com> <1155254852.20210.39.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44DC3627.4070205@gmail.com> Lee Revell wrote: > This is your problem - you have -Werror in your CFLAGS. Don't do that. I didn't do anything. So how do I remove this flag? -- peace, love & harmony Atte From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 03:52:29 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QXR0ZSBBbmRyw6kgSmVuc2Vu?=) Date: Fri Aug 11 03:52:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime problems In-Reply-To: <1155275241.7466.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <44D6F8A7.8050602@gmail.com> <20060807092444.GK23123@fliwatut.scifi> <44D79645.80707@gmail.com> <1155275241.7466.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44DC373D.2030209@gmail.com> Dana Olson wrote: > No one said to install Breezy packages on Dapper. Well I was linked to the "how to" of breezy, although I mentioned I run dapper. Anyways, I should have guessed that it wouldn't work. -- peace, love & harmony Atte From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Aug 11 04:16:53 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Fri Aug 11 04:17:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] specimen takes 98% cpu In-Reply-To: <1155254852.20210.39.camel@mindpipe> References: <44DBB3C5.8060401@gmail.com> <44DBBAA3.6030603@gmail.com> <1155254852.20210.39.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060811101653.0e116522@mango.fruits> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:07:32 -0400 Lee Revell wrote: > This is your problem - you have -Werror in your CFLAGS. Don't do > that. Or fix the warning and make the pointer cast explicit. I usually use -Werror these days as warnings show many potential errors and treating warnings as errors makes one revisit the code in question. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From bubar at numericable.fr Fri Aug 11 04:30:26 2006 From: bubar at numericable.fr (bubar) Date: Fri Aug 11 04:27:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] specimen takes 98% cpu In-Reply-To: <44DC3601.1080600@gmail.com> References: <44DBB3C5.8060401@gmail.com> <20060810232902.GB21814@zhevny.com> <44DC3601.1080600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200608111030.26885.bubar@numericable.fr> Le vendredi 11 ao?t 2006 09:47, Atte Andr? Jensen a ?crit?: > Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > > What version of phat do you have? > > atte@ajstrup:~$ apt-cache show libphat0-dev | grep Version > Version: 0.2.3-1 here are i am using libphat0-0.3.1-2mdk.i586 and specimen 0.5.1 distro rpm works fine. (seems dont need -devel phat rpm) From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Aug 10 19:16:53 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri Aug 11 05:52:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Bass V-amp vs V-amp In-Reply-To: References: <8d27a0610608090937t199aadf7p233944fd393c3a08@mail.gmail.com> <20060809230346.GA9820@slinkp.com> <8d27a0610608100516l22bcfckf6d12d994ec9110a@mail.gmail.com> <8d27a0610608101035n4e176292he4f550b91bd41cd5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060810231653.GB8531@slinkp.com> On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 11:51:34PM +0200, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan wrote: > I just found this on the web, which suggests that an active bass > (which I got) already has low-Z output, and therefore requires no DI ? > http://www.whirlwindusa.com/ftp/tech/tech03.pdf Correct. I do have one active bass, and I can plug it straight into my Delta 66. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr Fri Aug 11 06:45:31 2006 From: j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr (joel silvestre) Date: Fri Aug 11 06:45:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [AN] QLoud-0.1 - measuring loudspeaker response In-Reply-To: <200608092013.48068@goldspace.net> References: <200608092013.48068@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <1155293131.4026.209.camel@zordi> I try to compile but the linker is not happy, lots of undefine reference to Qwt. Qwt is compiled from CVS and src.pro is : LIBS += -L/home/moa/sources/qwt/lib \ -ljack \ -lfftw3 \ -lsndfile INCLUDEPATH += ../src \ /home/moa/sources/qwt/include \ /usr/include MOC_DIR = ../moc UI_DIR = ../ui OBJECTS_DIR = ../obj TARGET = ../bin/qloud QT += xml CONFIG += debug \ warn_on \ qt \ thread \ exceptions \ console TEMPLATE = app What do I miss? joel Le mercredi 09 ao?t 2006 ? 20:13 +0400, Andrew Gaydenko a ?crit : > Hi! > > I have wrote this app for own audio-DIY use. Probably, somebody else > will find the app useful too. I'll be happy in such case :-) > > Source: http://gaydenko.com/qloud/qloud-0.1.tar.bz2 > Screenshot (180KB): http://gaydenko.com/qloud/shot01.png > > ===== README ====== > > QLoud is a tool to measure a loudspeaker frequency response. > > Writing this app is inspired by excellent applications written > by Fons Adriaensen: > > http://users.skynet.be/solaris/linuxaudio/ > > Theoretical background belongs to Angelo Farina: > > http://pcfarina.eng.unipr.it/ > > In particular, this method was used: > > http://pcfarina.eng.unipr.it/Public/Papers/134-AES00.PDF > > > > Few hints: > > - move mouse above "?" sign at plot window and wait, > - to delete measurement, use context menu on mesurements table, > - to see what the app do, just connect app's JACK ports and try, > - to see what your sound card do, use loopback for line in/out, > - using "very smooth" fractional octave smoothing is hungry for > CPU. So be patient when select more rather 1/3 octave smoothing > (1/3 octave and less smoothing is rather interactive). > > > > Feedback: > > Please, add "QLoud" to your message subject. My email is: a@gaydenko.com > > > ===== INSTALL ===== > > Requirements: > > - QT4 ( http://trolltech.com/ ), I use 4.1.4 version, > - Qwt ( http://qwt.sourceforge.net/ ) from current CVS tree (probably, > last official CVS qwt5 snapshot will work too), > - JACK ( http://jackaudio.org/ ), > - sndfile ( http://www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile/ ), > - fftw ( http://www.fftw.org/ ). > > > Installation: > > - look in src/src.pro to modify include dirs if you want, > - run > > qmake > make > > 'qloud' excecutable will be in 'bin' directory. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. > Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. > > From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Aug 11 06:46:35 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Aug 11 06:46:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fragile! In-Reply-To: <1154391130.936.4.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <20060729223859.4e3ca8a0@localhost> <1154391130.936.4.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <200608111146.36186.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 01 August 2006 01:12, Florin Andrei was like: > On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 22:38 +0100, Folderol wrote: > > Is it just me... something about Demudi or? > > > > Gnome seems to be incredibly fragile. Almost any configuration change > > is liable to make it roll over and wave it's legs in the air :( > > Must be Demudi. I've been using Gnome with Fedora (and packages from > PlanetCCRMA and Livna that pretty much cover all bases in terms of music > and sound) for a long time and I've had no stability issues. I have not noticed any stability issues myself and I'm using Debian etch + DeMuDi and a hand-rolled kernel. I confess that I only use GNOME occasionally. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Aug 11 06:51:34 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Aug 11 06:51:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Icons In-Reply-To: <20060802192223.20eb8262@localhost> References: <20060730095231.73decd05@localhost> <20060730090544.GI12427@fitz.Belkin> <20060802192223.20eb8262@localhost> Message-ID: <200608111151.35167.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 02 August 2006 19:22, Folderol was like: > On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 10:05:44 +0100 > > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > On Sun, 30 Jul, 2006 at 09:52AM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > > > Does anyone know of a decent looking matched set of icons for mp3, ogg, > > > wav, MIDI etc? > > > > Something might take your fancy here: > > http://www.maxpower.ca/free-icons/2006/03/05/ > > Thanks for the link, but there really isn't anything there that fits > the bill. Time to get inkscape out again methinks! It was always part of the plan to make some generic sound-file icons to go with the musical application icons. There are still a small number of music apps that lack icons too. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Aug 11 06:54:04 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Aug 11 06:54:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] X events making noise through soundcard. In-Reply-To: <20060727113626.GW9439@fitz.Belkin> References: <44C87AD6.4020709@prodigy.net.mx> <20060727113626.GW9439@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <200608111154.04891.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 27 July 2006 12:36, james@dis-dot-dat.net was like: > As people have been saying, it's EM interference. ?Muting the analogue > stuff you aren't using might help (as has been suggested) but so does > moving the soundcard as far away as possible from the graphics card. That's a good suggestion that I've never heard before. I think I'll try this. > Alternatively, try and only move your mouse and perform window > operations in time with your music. Heh. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From a at gaydenko.com Fri Aug 11 06:56:53 2006 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Fri Aug 11 06:57:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [AN] QLoud-0.1 - measuring loudspeaker response In-Reply-To: <1155293131.4026.209.camel@zordi> References: <200608092013.48068@goldspace.net> <1155293131.4026.209.camel@zordi> Message-ID: <200608111456.53526@goldspace.net> Joel, At any case, try last version. The app has little page now: http://gaydenko.com/qloud/ As for Qwt, you have specidied lib dir, rather the lib itself. Try add '-lqwt' along with other (-ljack -lfftw3 and so on). Andrew ======= On Friday 11 August 2006 14:45, joel silvestre wrote: ======= I try to compile but the linker is not happy, lots of undefine reference to Qwt. Qwt is compiled from CVS and src.pro is : LIBS += -L/home/moa/sources/qwt/lib \ -ljack \ -lfftw3 \ -lsndfile INCLUDEPATH += ../src \ /home/moa/sources/qwt/include \ /usr/include MOC_DIR = ../moc UI_DIR = ../ui OBJECTS_DIR = ../obj TARGET = ../bin/qloud QT += xml CONFIG += debug \ warn_on \ qt \ thread \ exceptions \ console TEMPLATE = app What do I miss? joel From segoh at gmx.net Fri Aug 11 07:40:00 2006 From: segoh at gmx.net (Sebastian Gutsfeld) Date: Fri Aug 11 07:40:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Setting loop range in Hydrogen Message-ID: <20060811114007.C4BD5278FF14@music.columbia.edu> Hi, does anybody know if it's possible to set a loop range in Hydrogen's song editor as in in Ardour or MusE? I need this so I can train particular sections in a complex song. regards, Sebastian From malessio at ale.it Fri Aug 11 08:45:51 2006 From: malessio at ale.it (l'Alessio) Date: Fri Aug 11 08:46:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Plugins for bass Message-ID: He all, I need to improve the bass tracks recorded with ardour. Compressor and enhancer for example. I usually use SC4 and SE4 but I hear some metallic nois and I'm not satisfied at all. Thanks in advance -- Alessio TuxMeaLux Studio "I computer sono incredibilmente veloci, accurati e stupidi. Gli uomini sono incredibilmente lenti, inaccurati e intelligenti. Insieme sono una potenza che supera l'immaginazione." Albert Einstein .oooO ( ) Oooo. \ ( ( ) \_) ) / (_/ From j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr Fri Aug 11 09:48:29 2006 From: j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr (joel silvestre) Date: Fri Aug 11 09:48:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [AN] QLoud-0.1 - measuring loudspeaker response In-Reply-To: <200608111456.53526@goldspace.net> References: <200608092013.48068@goldspace.net> <1155293131.4026.209.camel@zordi> <200608111456.53526@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <1155304110.4026.214.camel@zordi> Andrew, with proper settings and right order compilation everything is ok. Thank you! Qloud seem's to be nice. joel Le vendredi 11 ao?t 2006 ? 14:56 +0400, Andrew Gaydenko a ?crit : > Joel, > > At any case, try last version. The app has little page now: > > http://gaydenko.com/qloud/ > > As for Qwt, you have specidied lib dir, rather the lib itself. Try add '-lqwt' along > with other (-ljack -lfftw3 and so on). > > > Andrew > > ======= On Friday 11 August 2006 14:45, joel silvestre wrote: ======= > I try to compile but the linker is not happy, lots of undefine reference > to Qwt. > > Qwt is compiled from CVS and src.pro is : > > LIBS += -L/home/moa/sources/qwt/lib \ > -ljack \ > -lfftw3 \ > -lsndfile > INCLUDEPATH += ../src \ > /home/moa/sources/qwt/include \ > /usr/include > MOC_DIR = ../moc > UI_DIR = ../ui > OBJECTS_DIR = ../obj > TARGET = ../bin/qloud > QT += xml > CONFIG += debug \ > warn_on \ > qt \ > thread \ > exceptions \ > console > TEMPLATE = app > > > What do I miss? > > joel From alberto.botti at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 09:49:14 2006 From: alberto.botti at gmail.com (Alberto Botti) Date: Fri Aug 11 09:49:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <200608101354.56011.alewis@systemsfusion.com> References: <200608101354.56011.alewis@systemsfusion.com> Message-ID: <1155304155.21401.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Il giorno gio, 10/08/2006 alle 13.54 +0200, Andrew Lewis ha scritto: > I'm very interested in GDAM but at this point, > haven't managed to get it to make noise yet. ;( What's the problem? From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 13:30:07 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri Aug 11 13:30:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] lash can't connect Message-ID: <44DCBE9F.7010508@gmail.com> Hi I compiled lash, but when I run lash_panel I get: atte@ajstrup:~/software/lash$ lash_panel lash_open_socket: could not connect to host 'localhost', service 'lash' lash_comm_connect_to_server: could not create server connection lash_init: could not connect to server 'localhost' - disabling LASH lash_init: LASH_START_SERVER unset, not attempting to start server automatically main: could not initialise LASH I have the following in /etc/services: atte@ajstrup:~/software/lash$ grep lash /etc/services lash 14541/tcp # LASH client/server protocol Any pointers forward appreciated. -- peace, love & harmony Atte From cladisch at fastmail.net Fri Aug 11 13:52:56 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Aug 11 13:53:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Audiophile USB with ASLA problems In-Reply-To: <1154820160.9247.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1154820160.9247.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1155318776.14906.268183269@webmail.messagingengine.com> Kareem Kneawy wrote: > $ aplay -D hw:1,0 -c2 -t raw -r48000 -fS16_BE ed.raw > Playing raw data 'ed.raw' : Signed 16 bit Big Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Stereo > aplay: set_params:962: Unable to install hw params: > ... Try aplay -v -D plughw:1,0 -c2 -t raw -r48000 -fS16_BE ed.raw and the look what format is actually used by the driver. HTH Clemens From lars.luthman at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 15:02:05 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Fri Aug 11 15:01:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] lash can't connect In-Reply-To: <44DCBE9F.7010508@gmail.com> References: <44DCBE9F.7010508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1155322926.13823.9.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Fri, 2006-08-11 at 19:30 +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I compiled lash, but when I run lash_panel I get: > > atte@ajstrup:~/software/lash$ lash_panel > lash_open_socket: could not connect to host 'localhost', service 'lash' > lash_comm_connect_to_server: could not create server connection > lash_init: could not connect to server 'localhost' - disabling LASH > lash_init: LASH_START_SERVER unset, not attempting to start server > automatically > main: could not initialise LASH Did you start lashd before you ran lash_panel, or set LASH_START_SERVER? -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I prefer glashctl anyways :) Nifty tray icon, streamlined functionality. Plus you can manually start lashd with it :) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 16:22:12 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri Aug 11 16:22:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] lash can't connect In-Reply-To: <1155322926.13823.9.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> References: <44DCBE9F.7010508@gmail.com> <1155322926.13823.9.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> Message-ID: <44DCE6F4.5060908@gmail.com> Lars Luthman wrote: > Did you start lashd before you ran lash_panel, or set LASH_START_SERVER? Oops, no. Sorry ... -- peace, love & harmony Atte From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Aug 11 18:50:14 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Aug 11 16:50:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack-rack midi controlled problem In-Reply-To: <44DCD592.9060205@no-log.org> References: <44DCD592.9060205@no-log.org> Message-ID: <44DD09A6.7010804@poeticstudios.com> eun.sung wrote: > hi > > i have a strange issue with jack-rack 1.4.4 controlled by a MIDI knob box > (evolution UC-16) > > i can map some controllers and "move" the parameters' sliders but it has > no effect on the fx "way of process sound" I' ve tried it (to map a controller to an effect parameter). It seems that this bug only affect mono effects. When you move the slider with the mouse jack-rack processes both channels but when you move it with a midi controller only the left channel is processed while the second comes out dry. c. > > but if i move the slider by mouse the changes are effecient !? > > and my controller works well as i can control terminatorX in exemple > > i use : > > jack svn 0.102.20 > jack-rack 1.4.4 > > > have you ever met this problem? do you know a solution? > > thanks > > > -- www.cesaremarilungo.com On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT -- Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, restrugo@fateware.com From ce at christeck.de Fri Aug 11 20:10:19 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri Aug 11 20:11:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack-rack midi controlled problem In-Reply-To: <44DCD592.9060205@no-log.org> References: <44DCD592.9060205@no-log.org> Message-ID: <200608120210.19171.ce@christeck.de> > i can map some controllers and "move" the parameters' sliders but it > has no effect on the fx "way of process sound" same here, I assigned MIDI controllers but I never got any changes when using them. Maybe it's buggy? Best regards ce From eun.sung at no-log.org Fri Aug 11 20:55:38 2006 From: eun.sung at no-log.org (eun.sung) Date: Fri Aug 11 20:56:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack-rack midi controlled problem In-Reply-To: <200608120210.19171.ce@christeck.de> References: <44DCD592.9060205@no-log.org> <200608120210.19171.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <44DD270A.5080401@no-log.org> ok... i wrote to LesliePolzer who maintains jack-rack Christoph Eckert a ?crit : >> i can map some controllers and "move" the parameters' sliders but it >> has no effect on the fx "way of process sound" >> > > same here, I assigned MIDI controllers but I never got any changes when > using them. Maybe it's buggy? > > > Best regards > > > ce > From gateswideopen at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 00:49:30 2006 From: gateswideopen at gmail.com (we are) Date: Sat Aug 12 00:49:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME multiface gain, matrix and/or asoundrc and an array of confusion. Message-ID: <5969dc560608112149o42ea867al84ad68561a237cee@mail.gmail.com> hey there crew. just wondering if there is someone out there that could enlighten me to the ways of the RME multiface. i have been using it for a few months now. i thought that these question would arrive in time, alas, i am still confused. for starters, i have been using peter todd artical in linux journal. some of this is useful but other bits simply don't help at all. my main problem is the gain settings. i can't seem to have consistant gain for different applications. my input gain is really realy low for the line (analog) inputs and i can't seem to find a way to boost them. when i record in ardour, the waveform is really small and i end up having to normalize every clip/track to get a decent volume. this is the same issue with PD. when i try to boost the gain on using the command as written by peter todd i get errors. ie amixer -c 1 cset name=Chn,index=1 32768 amixer: Cannot find the given element from control hw:1 the other issue is that when i use media players like audacious, xmms, mplayer etc. the output gain is a huge amount louder than PD and Ardour and other such audio apps. this is really confusing. as for routing the I/O's for live audio usage. i can't seem to workout a simple and effective way to route the sound for performance. ideally i would like to be able to have pd own the card. at the moment all the inputs are directed routed and mixed to the subsequent output ie analog in 1 goes to analog out 1, ananlog in 2 goes to analog out 2. what would be great is a matrix like the one in windoes...... any help would be awesome. thanks as always. tom From chris at mccormick.cx Sat Aug 12 00:38:46 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Sat Aug 12 02:15:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <20060810140901.5F0542766ADE@music.columbia.edu> References: <200608101354.56011.alewis@systemsfusion.com> <1155216286.6952.117.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060810140901.5F0542766ADE@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060812043845.GA29770@mccormick.cx> On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 04:08:57PM +0200, Sebastian Gutsfeld wrote: > Jonty Needham writes: > > > I love it. I really really love it! I must look into terminator X. > > Me too! > > > On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 13:54 +0200, Andrew Lewis wrote: > >> Completely unrelated to linux music or this post but plz checkout this very > >> xcellent artist: > >> http://computertruck.parishq.net/ > > Thanks for this link. > > BTW: I really enjoyed reading this Wired article about 8-bit punk: > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.11/mclaren.html > Caused me to take out my old Gameboy and C64. What a pity I can't use > my Transferer for the Gameboy flash cards with linux. [plug] You might be interested in some open source software I wrote for Gameboy Advance; http://looper.mccormick.cx/ and some other software for Commodore64 ;) http://mccormick.cx/viewcvs/aSid/ [/plug] Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From tito at rumford.de Sat Aug 12 02:33:07 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Sat Aug 12 02:33:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME multiface gain, matrix and/or asoundrc and an array of confusion. In-Reply-To: <5969dc560608112149o42ea867al84ad68561a237cee@mail.gmail.com> References: <5969dc560608112149o42ea867al84ad68561a237cee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200608120833.07327.tito@rumford.de> Saturday 12 August 2006 06:49, we are: > hey there crew. > > just wondering if there is someone out there that could enlighten me > to the ways of the RME multiface. > > i have been using it for a few months now. i thought that these > question would arrive in time, alas, i am still confused. > > for starters, i have been using peter todd artical in linux journal. > some of this is useful but other bits simply don't help at all. > my main problem is the gain settings. i can't seem to have consistant > gain for different applications. my input gain is really realy low for > the line (analog) inputs and i can't seem to find a way to boost them. > when i record in ardour, the waveform is really small and i end up > having to normalize every clip/track to get a decent volume. this is > the same issue with PD. when i try to boost the gain on using the > command as written by peter todd i get errors. > > ie > amixer -c 1 cset name=Chn,index=1 32768 > > amixer: Cannot find the given element from control hw:1 I wonder how "... name=Chn ..." is supposed to work anyway. Well, it doesn't, obviously, and that gets you minimum gain. If you're not constrained to the console you could use hdspmixer (and hsdpconf, both in alsa-tools-gui) to do all this. 10 minutes to read the multiface manual section on the mixer is a good investment. Same behaviour be it Windows or Linux. > > the other issue is that when i use media players like audacious, xmms, > mplayer etc. the output gain is a huge amount louder than PD and > Ardour and other such audio apps. this is really confusing. > > as for routing the I/O's for live audio usage. i can't seem to workout > a simple and effective way to route the sound for performance. ideally > i would like to be able to have pd own the card. at the moment all > the inputs are directed routed and mixed to the subsequent output ie > analog in 1 goes to analog out 1, ananlog in 2 goes to analog out 2. > > what would be great is a matrix like the one in windoes...... > > > any help would be awesome. > > thanks > as always. > > tom From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 06:36:44 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Aug 12 06:36:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with LASH Message-ID: <44DDAF3C.90502@gmail.com> Hi I spend most of last night playing with LASH. I patched zyn, specimen and seq24 and also use lash_panel + patchage. However I have a problem. Often (almost precisely every other time) closing a session will make some programs (mostly zynaddsubfx) hang. They can't be killed with xkill or killall. If zyn is the hanging program it will still appear in qjackctl's midi connection. This will also take jack and lashd down, and this is output to the terminal where lashd was started: Project jesus_kristus removed LASH event: LASH_Quit Disconnected from Jack Disconnected from Alsa [JACK sync disabled] Writing [/home/atte/.seq24rc] JACK error: zombified - calling shutdown handler jack_mgr_shutdown_cb: JACK server shut us down; telling server to quit Cleaning up zombified - calling shutdown handler cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Connection reset by peer) cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Connection reset by peer) JACK error: cannot send request type 7 to server JACK error: cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Broken pipe) jack_mgr_destroy: could not deactivate jack client JACK error: cannot send request type 7 to server JACK error: cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Broken pipe) Finished So I figure it's a problem with lash in zynaddsubfx (if I only use specimen it seems to work very reliable). My questions are: 1) Is there a way to really kill a hanging zynaddsubfx, when killall and xkill won't work? 2) Does anyone have lash working reliable with seq24, sepcimen and zynaddsubfx? Which lash patches did you apply to which version, and did you have to do anything else? What distro? How do you start jack and lash? Which kernel? 3) I tried with both lash patched I could find (zyn-2.2.1-lash-jackmidi-060605.diff and zyn_lash-0.5.0pre0.diff) with ZynAddSubFX-2.2.1.tar.bz2. Is there something newer/better/different I should try? 4) Any ideas what could be wrong? Maybe it's something completely -- peace, love & harmony Atte From dubphil at free.fr Sat Aug 12 07:02:21 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Sat Aug 12 07:02:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with LASH In-Reply-To: <44DDAF3C.90502@gmail.com> References: <44DDAF3C.90502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44DDB53D.9000509@free.fr> Atte Andr? Jensen a ?crit : > Hi > > I spend most of last night playing with LASH. I patched zyn, specimen > and seq24 and also use lash_panel + patchage. > > However I have a problem. Often (almost precisely every other time) > closing a session will make some > programs (mostly zynaddsubfx) hang. They can't be killed with xkill or > killall. If zyn is the hanging program it will still appear in > qjackctl's midi connection. This will also take jack and lashd down, > and this is output to the terminal where lashd was started: > > Project jesus_kristus removed > LASH event: LASH_Quit > Disconnected from Jack > Disconnected from Alsa > [JACK sync disabled] > Writing [/home/atte/.seq24rc] > JACK error: zombified - calling shutdown handler > jack_mgr_shutdown_cb: JACK server shut us down; telling server to quit > Cleaning up > zombified - calling shutdown handler > cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Connection reset by > peer) > cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Connection reset by > peer) > JACK error: cannot send request type 7 to server > JACK error: cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Broken > pipe) > jack_mgr_destroy: could not deactivate jack client > JACK error: cannot send request type 7 to server > JACK error: cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Broken > pipe) > Finished > > So I figure it's a problem with lash in zynaddsubfx (if I only use > specimen it seems to work very reliable). My questions are: > > 1) Is there a way to really kill a hanging zynaddsubfx, when killall and > xkill won't work? > > 2) Does anyone have lash working reliable with seq24, sepcimen and > zynaddsubfx? Which lash patches did you apply to which version, and did > you have to do anything else? What distro? How do you start jack and > lash? Which kernel? > > 3) I tried with both lash patched I could find > (zyn-2.2.1-lash-jackmidi-060605.diff and zyn_lash-0.5.0pre0.diff) with > ZynAddSubFX-2.2.1.tar.bz2. Is there something newer/better/different I > should try? > > 4) Any ideas what could be wrong? Maybe it's something completely > Hello Atte, I never try LASH yet, but something I can say is that Zynaddsubfx is not enough reliable to do realtime work in combination with jack and other softwares. Hydrogen is far better but not completely safe. Seq24, Ecasound, Sooperlooper are rock solid. This is strictly the result of my experience. Regards Philippe From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sat Aug 12 08:11:22 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sat Aug 12 08:11:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] om in ubuntu dapper spitting errors with presets Message-ID: <44DDC56A.5050904@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, i try to find a replacement for ams, that is not actively developed unfortunately. So i check out OM right now and i find it very promising. Still i cannot work with it as i can in ams. The usabilityconcept is strange at best, stability could be improved a lot etc etc and most annoying: if i load one of the preset-files, that come with om, i get a huge list of errors and the patch seems not to do as intended: ERROR: Unable to find object /modula1/op3/amp_env/Attack Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find object /modula1/op3/amp_env/Attack Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find object /modula1/op3/amp_env/Decay Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find object /modula1/op3/amp_env/Decay Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find object /modula1/op3/amp_env/Release Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find object /modula1/op3/amp_env/Release Time (s) ERROR: Unable to make connection /modula1/op3/gate/in -> /modula1/op3/amp_env/Gate ERROR: Unable to make connection /modula1/op3/trigger/in -> /modula1/op3/amp_env/Trigger ERROR: Unable to make connection /modula1/op3/attack/in -> /modula1/op3/amp_env/Attack Time (s) ERROR: Unable to make connection /modula1/op3/decay/in -> /modula1/op3/amp_env/Decay Time (s) ERROR: Unable to make connection /modula1/op3/sustain/in -> /modula1/op3/amp_env/Sustain Level ERROR: Unable to make connection /modula1/op3/release/in -> /modula1/op3/amp_env/Release Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find port /modula1/op3/amp_env/Attack Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find port /modula1/op3/amp_env/Decay Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find port /modula1/op3/amp_env/Sustain Level ERROR: Unable to find port /modula1/op3/amp_env/Release Time (s) Do i need to install some more plugins or is my configuration the troublemaker? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE3cVp1Aecwva1SWMRAkdFAJ4pXp7MY2eDW84Ov9Rg3wsWqUHupgCgidGU DWZmlckY+b/XKfl/GL9UXCk= =cx5L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 08:40:39 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Aug 12 08:40:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with LASH In-Reply-To: <44DDB53D.9000509@free.fr> References: <44DDAF3C.90502@gmail.com> <44DDB53D.9000509@free.fr> Message-ID: <44DDCC47.8070802@gmail.com> Dubphil wrote: > I never try LASH yet, Well it seems like a good idea to wait. So I switched from LASH to BASH :-) Works very reliable + supports more programs... -- peace, love & harmony Atte From jack.oquin at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 09:05:41 2006 From: jack.oquin at gmail.com (Jack O'Quin) Date: Sat Aug 12 09:05:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with LASH In-Reply-To: <44DDAF3C.90502@gmail.com> References: <44DDAF3C.90502@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 8/12/06, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > 1) Is there a way to really kill a hanging zynaddsubfx, when killall and > xkill won't work? Did you try killing it using signal 9? (i.e. killall -9 zynaddsubfx) -- joq From paulgfx at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 09:25:42 2006 From: paulgfx at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Sat Aug 12 09:25:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New version of extreme-time stretching (with real-time support) Message-ID: <20060812132542.18511.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Hi. I released a new version of PaulStretch, a high quality extreme time-stretching software. You can see more about it at (screenshots and examples): http://hypermammut.sourceforge.net/paulstretch/ and download it(for linux and windows) from http://sourceforge.net/projects/hypermammut News: - support for realtime stretching (as a player) - ogg vorbis support for input - improved the stretching algorithm and now it can do unlimited stretching - other Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sat Aug 12 10:32:33 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sat Aug 12 10:33:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <20060810151242.53487.qmail@web39712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060810151242.53487.qmail@web39712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44DDE681.1050901@boosthardware.com> Ron, I haven't heard it but, ==================== if (it was mixed live on tX) then it is a DJ mix which can be considered in certain circumstances, an original work; On top of that(until it makes money or gets significant international exposure and airplay){ the labels who own the original tracks won't even know it exists; ===================== the liklihood of that happening around here is slim to non existant. So, If you are going to complain every time a DJ makes a remix then you better stock up on coffee and get your toothpicks out to keep your eyes open as you type ;P Oh, Did I mention :-P R Parker wrote: > > --- Andrew Lewis wrote: > >> It's a mash-up of other artists stuff, so it can be >> considered >> non-free/probably copyright infringement > > You think? > > - if you >> are the artist or their >> representation, please don't sue! > > I have great appreciation for the licensing of the > software we use and the respect people pay to those > terms. > > When you flagarantly violate expressed rights and then > fly it in my face, I have to tell you to cease these > activities. If nothing else, this demand disassociates > me from you and your act of copyright violation. > >> I'm using TerminatorX to make some mixes of my >> original material too (which >> I'm sorry to say at this point - was made mostly >> with 'that other OS', but my >> Linux stuff is coming along). > > I look forward to hearing your original music. > > Ron > > I'm very interested in >> GDAM but at this point, >> haven't managed to get it to make noise yet. ;( Also >> interested in using >> TerminatorX to make original compositions. >> >> Yesterday was women's day in South Africa, thus the >> night before was 'Ladies >> Nite'??? >> >> Artists I should credit (those of which I can >> remember in any case): >> >> part1: Kevin Blechdom, Minibosses, Dev/Null, >> Xanopticon, Maldoror >> part2: Radiohead, Gold Chains & Sue Cie, Nirvana, >> Vladislav Delay, Some >> bollywood music I forget :\ >> >> Completely unrelated to linux music or this post but >> plz checkout this very >> xcellent artist: >> http://computertruck.parishq.net/ >> And this great artist who introduced me to him: >> http://www.goto80.com >> >> That will be all, >> Andrew >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sat Aug 12 10:39:16 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sat Aug 12 10:39:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] om in ubuntu dapper spitting errors with presets In-Reply-To: <44DDC56A.5050904@linuxuse.de> References: <44DDC56A.5050904@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <44DDE814.4030208@boosthardware.com> Hi, Check the page on the om wiki about plugins. It has links to most of the main ladspa deps. Cheers. Hartmut Noack wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > > i try to find a replacement for ams, that is not actively developed > unfortunately. > So i check out OM right now and i find it very promising. Still i cannot > work with it as i can in ams. The usabilityconcept is strange at best, > stability could be improved a lot etc etc and most annoying: if i load > one of the preset-files, that come with om, i get a huge list of errors > and the patch seems not to do as intended: > > ERROR: Unable to find object /modula1/op3/amp_env/Attack Time (s) > ERROR: Unable to find object /modula1/op3/amp_env/Attack Time (s) > ERROR: Unable to find object /modula1/op3/amp_env/Decay Time (s) > ERROR: Unable to find object /modula1/op3/amp_env/Decay Time (s) > ERROR: Unable to find object /modula1/op3/amp_env/Release Time (s) > ERROR: Unable to find object /modula1/op3/amp_env/Release Time (s) > ERROR: Unable to make connection /modula1/op3/gate/in -> > /modula1/op3/amp_env/Gate > ERROR: Unable to make connection /modula1/op3/trigger/in -> > /modula1/op3/amp_env/Trigger > ERROR: Unable to make connection /modula1/op3/attack/in -> > /modula1/op3/amp_env/Attack Time (s) > ERROR: Unable to make connection /modula1/op3/decay/in -> > /modula1/op3/amp_env/Decay Time (s) > ERROR: Unable to make connection /modula1/op3/sustain/in -> > /modula1/op3/amp_env/Sustain Level > ERROR: Unable to make connection /modula1/op3/release/in -> > /modula1/op3/amp_env/Release Time (s) > ERROR: Unable to find port /modula1/op3/amp_env/Attack Time (s) > ERROR: Unable to find port /modula1/op3/amp_env/Decay Time (s) > ERROR: Unable to find port /modula1/op3/amp_env/Sustain Level > ERROR: Unable to find port /modula1/op3/amp_env/Release Time (s) > > Do i need to install some more plugins or is my configuration the > troublemaker? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFE3cVp1Aecwva1SWMRAkdFAJ4pXp7MY2eDW84Ov9Rg3wsWqUHupgCgidGU > DWZmlckY+b/XKfl/GL9UXCk= > =cx5L > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From rtp405 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 11:25:45 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Sat Aug 12 11:25:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44DDE681.1050901@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060812152545.94791.qmail@web39713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Patrick, --- Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Ron, > > I haven't heard it but, > > ==================== > if (it was mixed live on tX) > then it is a DJ mix which can be considered in > certain circumstances, > an original work; That's what they call originality? > On top of that(until it makes money or gets > significant international > exposure and airplay){ > the labels who own the original tracks won't even > know it exists; > ===================== What does "not knowing it exists" have to do with using someone else's property when your violating the owner rights? How do think the owners of GPL licensed software will feel when this behaviour you subscribe to becomes the norm for their source code? What distinguishes a DJ from the person who violates those rights? > the liklihood of that happening around here is slim > to non existant. > > So, If you are going to complain every time a DJ > makes a remix Please don't use a personal attacks when debating with me. There is a system in place that enables you to use property that other people own the rights to. Be responsible and learn to use it. There's plenty I'd like to say but ironically enough I have a session with a DJ for whom we wrote the beats. It'll go about six or eight hours. Maybe I'll check in later to see what's up. Maybe I won't. Ron Parker Mirror Image Studio then you > better stock up on coffee and get your toothpicks > out to keep your eyes > open as you type ;P > > Oh, Did I mention :-P > > R Parker wrote: > > > > --- Andrew Lewis wrote: > > > >> It's a mash-up of other artists stuff, so it can > be > >> considered > >> non-free/probably copyright infringement > > > > You think? > > > > - if you > >> are the artist or their > >> representation, please don't sue! > > > > I have great appreciation for the licensing of the > > software we use and the respect people pay to > those > > terms. > > > > When you flagarantly violate expressed rights and > then > > fly it in my face, I have to tell you to cease > these > > activities. If nothing else, this demand > disassociates > > me from you and your act of copyright violation. > > > >> I'm using TerminatorX to make some mixes of my > >> original material too (which > >> I'm sorry to say at this point - was made mostly > >> with 'that other OS', but my > >> Linux stuff is coming along). > > > > I look forward to hearing your original music. > > > > Ron > > > > I'm very interested in > >> GDAM but at this point, > >> haven't managed to get it to make noise yet. ;( > Also > >> interested in using > >> TerminatorX to make original compositions. > >> > >> Yesterday was women's day in South Africa, thus > the > >> night before was 'Ladies > >> Nite'??? > >> > >> Artists I should credit (those of which I can > >> remember in any case): > >> > >> part1: Kevin Blechdom, Minibosses, Dev/Null, > >> Xanopticon, Maldoror > >> part2: Radiohead, Gold Chains & Sue Cie, Nirvana, > >> Vladislav Delay, Some > >> bollywood music I forget :\ > >> > >> Completely unrelated to linux music or this post > but > >> plz checkout this very > >> xcellent artist: > >> http://computertruck.parishq.net/ > >> And this great artist who introduced me to him: > >> http://www.goto80.com > >> > >> That will be all, > >> Andrew > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > -- > Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. > Http://www.boosthardware.com > Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users > guide > ======================================== > > "Anything your mind can see you can manifest > physically, then it will > become reality" - Macka B > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sat Aug 12 11:41:04 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sat Aug 12 11:41:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <20060812152545.94791.qmail@web39713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060812152545.94791.qmail@web39713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44DDF690.3080607@boosthardware.com> R Parker wrote: > > How do think the owners of GPL licensed software will > feel when this behaviour you subscribe to becomes the > norm for their source code? What distinguishes a DJ > from the person who violates those rights? > GPL anything can be freely remixed. What's your point? >> the liklihood of that happening around here is slim >> to non existant. >> >> So, If you are going to complain every time a DJ >> makes a remix > > Please don't use a personal attacks when debating with > me. > HuH? > There is a system in place that enables you to use > property that other people own the rights to. Be > responsible and learn to use it. > > There's plenty I'd like to say but ironically enough I > have a session with a DJ for whom we wrote the beats. > It'll go about six or eight hours. Maybe I'll check in > later to see what's up. Maybe I won't. > Up to you. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From rtp405 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 11:56:51 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Sat Aug 12 11:56:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44DDF690.3080607@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Patrick Shirkey wrote: > R Parker wrote: > > > > How do think the owners of GPL licensed software > will > > feel when this behaviour you subscribe to becomes > the > > norm for their source code? What distinguishes a > DJ > > from the person who violates those rights? > > > > GPL anything can be freely remixed. What's your > point? The GPL defines a set of rights. What happens when I violate those rights? You claim it's OK to violate the rights of the copyright owner for music. What is the difference? Why is it OK to violate a musicians rights but not OK to violate a software developers rights? Ron Parker Mirror Image Studio > >> the liklihood of that happening around here is > slim > >> to non existant. > >> > >> So, If you are going to complain every time a DJ > >> makes a remix > > > > Please don't use a personal attacks when debating > with > > me. > > > > HuH? > > > There is a system in place that enables you to use > > property that other people own the rights to. Be > > responsible and learn to use it. > > > > There's plenty I'd like to say but ironically > enough I > > have a session with a DJ for whom we wrote the > beats. > > It'll go about six or eight hours. Maybe I'll > check in > > later to see what's up. Maybe I won't. > > > > Up to you. > > > -- > Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. > Http://www.boosthardware.com > Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users > guide > ======================================== > > "Anything your mind can see you can manifest > physically, then it will > become reality" - Macka B > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mike at mikesperone.com Sat Aug 12 16:00:24 2006 From: mike at mikesperone.com (mike@mikesperone.com) Date: Sat Aug 12 16:00:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something Message-ID: <200608122000.k7CK0O7q007205@maia.meccahosting.com> On Sat Aug 12 15:25 R Parker wrote: >--- Patrick Shirkey pshirkey@boosthardware.com> >wrote: >> Ron, >> >> I haven't heard it but, >> >> ==================== >> if (it was mixed live on tX) >> then it is a DJ mix which can be considered in >> certain circumstances, >> an original work; > >That's what they call originality? > >> On top of that(until it makes money or gets >> significant international >> exposure and airplay){ >> the labels who own the original tracks won't even >> know it exists; >> ===================== >What does "not knowing it exists" have to do with >using someone else's property when your violating the >owner rights? >How do think the owners of GPL licensed software will >feel when this behaviour you subscribe to becomes the >norm for their source code? What distinguishes a DJ >from the person who violates those rights? > >> the liklihood of that happening around here is slim >> to non existant. >> So, If you are going to complain every time a DJ >> makes a remix > >Please don't use a personal attacks when debating with >me. >There is a system in place that enables you to use >property that other people own the rights to. Be >responsible and learn to use it. >There's plenty I'd like to say but ironically enough I >have a session with a DJ for whom we wrote the beats. >It'll go about six or eight hours. Maybe I'll check in >later to see what's up. Maybe I won't. > >Ron Parker >Mirror Image Studio > >> >> R Parker wrote: >> > >> > --- Andrew Lewis alewis@systemsfusion.com> wrote: >> > >> >> It's a mash-up of other artists stuff, so it can >> >>be considered >> >> non-free/probably copyright infringement >> > >> > You think? >> > >> >> - if you are the artist or their >> >> representation, please don't sue! >> > >> > I have great appreciation for the licensing of the >> > software we use and the respect people pay to >> >those terms. >> > When you flagarantly violate expressed rights and >> >then fly it in my face, I have to tell you to cease these >> > activities. If nothing else, this demand >> >disassociates me from you and your act of copyright violation. >> > >> >> I'm using TerminatorX to make some mixes of my >> >> original material too (which >> >> I'm sorry to say at this point - was made mostly >> >> with 'that other OS', but my >> >> Linux stuff is coming along). ... >> >> Artists I should credit (those of which I can >> >> remember in any case): >> >> >> >> part1: Kevin Blechdom, Minibosses, Dev/Null, >> >> Xanopticon, Maldoror >> >> part2: Radiohead, Gold Chains & Sue Cie, Nirvana, >> >> Vladislav Delay, Some >> >> bollywood music I forget :\ ... >> >> That will be all, >> >> Andrew I don't want to turn this into a big argument, but I just want to say one thing. There is no copyright infringement involved in this tune that was posted. Although he did use samples from copyrighted works, that alone does not constitute copyright infringement. I won't go ahead and cite US copyright law (and it's not some little loophole either), but basically since there is no money being exchanged for this song and we as listeners are playing this in a private setting, this entire thing is perfectly legal. I won't/can't comment on originality of this work, as I'm not familiar with most of the artists Andrew cited. But I did like it, Andrew. The moral issue is another thing... but Andrew made it very clear that it wasn't original source material, he cited the artists he used, and he made no attempt to pass it off as his own. So anyway, as I said, I didn't write this to start a debate, I won't be posting anything else on this thread. I just felt something should be said about the legality of this. -Mike P.S. The system in place was meant to protect publishers, not artists. But that's another topic we can discuss elsewhere. From lars.luthman at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 16:13:39 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Sat Aug 12 16:13:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something In-Reply-To: <200608122000.k7CK0O7q007205@maia.meccahosting.com> References: <200608122000.k7CK0O7q007205@maia.meccahosting.com> Message-ID: <1155413620.12974.5.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Sat, 2006-08-12 at 20:00 +0000, mike@mikesperone.com wrote: > I don't want to turn this into a big argument, but I just want to say one thing. > There is no copyright infringement involved in this tune that was posted. > Although he did use samples from copyrighted works, that alone does not constitute > copyright infringement. I won't go ahead and cite US copyright law (and it's not some > little loophole either), but basically since there is no money being exchanged for > this song and we as listeners are playing this in a private setting, this entire > thing is perfectly legal. This sounds too nice to be true. If this is the case, then how can RIAA and friends sue everyone and their grandmother (literally) for distributing copyrighted material in a private setting (at least as private as a public mailing list) without charging money for it? Not that I think that it shouldn't be legal, but it doesn't seem to be consistent with what you are saying. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060812/0967fdb6/attachment.bin From rtp405 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 17:30:34 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Sat Aug 12 17:30:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something In-Reply-To: <200608122000.k7CK0O7q007205@maia.meccahosting.com> Message-ID: <20060812213034.25470.qmail@web39713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- mike@mikesperone.com wrote: > On Sat Aug 12 15:25 R Parker > wrote: > > >--- Patrick Shirkey pshirkey@boosthardware.com> > >wrote: > >> Ron, > >> > >> I haven't heard it but, > >> > >> ==================== > >> if (it was mixed live on tX) > >> then it is a DJ mix which can be considered in > >> certain circumstances, > >> an original work; > > > >That's what they call originality? > > > >> On top of that(until it makes money or gets > >> significant international > >> exposure and airplay){ > >> the labels who own the original tracks won't > even > >> know it exists; > >> ===================== > >What does "not knowing it exists" have to do with > >using someone else's property when your violating > the > >owner rights? > >How do think the owners of GPL licensed software > will > >feel when this behaviour you subscribe to becomes > the > >norm for their source code? What distinguishes a DJ > >from the person who violates those rights? > > > >> the liklihood of that happening around here is > slim > >> to non existant. > >> So, If you are going to complain every time a DJ > >> makes a remix > > > >Please don't use a personal attacks when debating > with > >me. > >There is a system in place that enables you to use > >property that other people own the rights to. Be > >responsible and learn to use it. > >There's plenty I'd like to say but ironically > enough I > >have a session with a DJ for whom we wrote the > beats. > >It'll go about six or eight hours. Maybe I'll check > in > >later to see what's up. Maybe I won't. > > > >Ron Parker > >Mirror Image Studio > > > > >> > >> R Parker wrote: > >> > > >> > --- Andrew Lewis alewis@systemsfusion.com> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> It's a mash-up of other artists stuff, so it > can > >> >>be considered > >> >> non-free/probably copyright infringement > >> > > >> > You think? > >> > > >> >> - if you are the artist or their > >> >> representation, please don't sue! > >> > > >> > I have great appreciation for the licensing of > the > >> > software we use and the respect people pay to > >> >those terms. > >> > When you flagarantly violate expressed rights > and > >> >then fly it in my face, I have to tell you to > cease these > >> > activities. If nothing else, this demand > >> >disassociates me from you and your act of > copyright violation. > >> > > >> >> I'm using TerminatorX to make some mixes of my > >> >> original material too (which > >> >> I'm sorry to say at this point - was made > mostly > >> >> with 'that other OS', but my > >> >> Linux stuff is coming along). > ... > >> >> Artists I should credit (those of which I can > >> >> remember in any case): > >> >> > >> >> part1: Kevin Blechdom, Minibosses, Dev/Null, > >> >> Xanopticon, Maldoror > >> >> part2: Radiohead, Gold Chains & Sue Cie, > Nirvana, > >> >> Vladislav Delay, Some > >> >> bollywood music I forget :\ > ... > >> >> That will be all, > >> >> Andrew > > > I don't want to turn this into a big argument, but I > just want to say one thing. > There is no copyright infringement involved in this > tune that was posted. Although he did use samples > from copyrighted > works, that alone does not constitute copyright > infringement. I won't go ahead and cite US > copyright law (and it's not some > little loophole either), but basically since there > is no money being exchanged for this song and we as > listeners are playing > this in a private setting, this entire thing is > perfectly legal. I'm taking a quick break in the middle of my session. The following may not be the correct reference for what we're talking about. It might be referring to making an audio arrangement from sheet music (http://www.mpa.org/copyright_resource_center/faq#q6): ---begin quote--- Do I need permission to make an arrangement or transcription? If an arrangement is made of a copyrighted work without the authorization of the copyright owner, the arrangement would be an unauthorized derivative work and therefore an infringement of the copyright and the exclusive right of the copyright owner. The first thing to do when you want to make an arrangement is check if the work is in the public domain or if it is protected by copyright. If the work is protected by copyright, you cannot make an arangement without the prior permission of the copyright owner. ---end quote--- Ron Parker Mirror Image Studio > I won't/can't comment on originality of this work, > as I'm not familiar with most of the artists Andrew > cited. But I did like it, > Andrew. > The moral issue is another thing... but Andrew made > it very clear that it wasn't original source > material, he cited the artists > he used, and he made no attempt to pass it off as > his own. > > So anyway, as I said, I didn't write this to start a > debate, I won't be posting anything else on this > thread. I just felt > something should be said about the legality of this. > -Mike > > P.S. The system in place was meant to protect > publishers, not artists. But that's another topic > we can discuss elsewhere. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From a at gaydenko.com Sat Aug 12 17:43:00 2006 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Sat Aug 12 17:43:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] QLoud updated up v.0.6 Message-ID: <200608130143.00779@goldspace.net> QLoud is a tool to measure loudspeaker frequency response. Find it here: http://gaydenko.com/qloud/ Changes: - IR (Impulse Response) power plotting is added (with an appropriate screeshot), - few minor issues are fixed. Direct screenshot links: - main window with few SPL plots: http://gaydenko.com/qloud/screenshots/short01.png - IR-power plot: http://gaydenko.com/qloud/screenshots/short02.png Andrew From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sat Aug 12 18:59:32 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sat Aug 12 18:59:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] om in ubuntu dapper spitting errors with presets In-Reply-To: <44DDE814.4030208@boosthardware.com> References: <44DDC56A.5050904@linuxuse.de> <44DDE814.4030208@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44DE5D54.9000809@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Shirkey schrieb: > Hi, > > Check the page on the om wiki about plugins. It has links to most of the > main ladspa deps. > > Cheers. > Thanks for the hints, Patrick - i installed every last one of the recommended LADSPA-Stuff unfortunately it did not help: ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Attack Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Attack Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Decay Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Decay Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Release Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Release Time (s) ERROR: Unable to make connection /saw_detuned/note_in/Gate -> /saw_detuned/amp_env/Gate ERROR: Unable to make connection /saw_detuned/note_in/Trigger -> /saw_detuned/amp_env/Trigger ERROR: Unable to make connection /saw_detuned/note_in/Frequency -> /saw_detuned/saw3/Frequency ERROR: Unable to make connection /saw_detuned/freq_offset_2/Summed Output -> /saw_detuned/saw2/Frequency ERROR: Unable to make connection /saw_detuned/freq_offset_1/Summed Output -> /saw_detuned/saw1/Frequency ERROR: Unable to find port /saw_detuned/amp_env/Attack Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find port /saw_detuned/amp_env/Decay Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find port /saw_detuned/amp_env/Sustain Level ERROR: Unable to find port /saw_detuned/amp_env/Release Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find object /string/adsr_g+t_0/Attack Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find object /string/adsr_g+t_0/Attack Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find object /string/adsr_g+t_0/Decay Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find object /string/adsr_g+t_0/Decay Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find object /string/adsr_g+t_0/Release Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find object /string/adsr_g+t_0/Release Time (s) ERROR: Unable to make connection /string/note_in_0/Frequency -> /string/pulse_fapa_oa_0/Frequency ERROR: Unable to make connection /string/note_in_0/Frequency -> /string/sawtooth_fa_oa_0/Frequency ERROR: Unable to make connection /string/note_in_0/Gate -> /string/adsr_g+t_0/Gate ERROR: Unable to make connection /string/note_in_0/Trigger -> /string/adsr_g+t_0/Trigger ERROR: Unable to make connection /string/sine_fcac_0/Output -> /string/sawtooth_fa_oa_0/Frequency ERROR: Unable to make connection /string/note_in_0/Frequency -> /string/sawtooth_fa_oa_1/Frequency ERROR: Unable to find port /string/adsr_g+t_0/Attack Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find port /string/adsr_g+t_0/Decay Time (s) ERROR: Unable to find port /string/adsr_g+t_0/Sustain Level ERROR: Unable to find port /string/adsr_g+t_0/Release Time (s) So what are these "ports" it does not find? Do i need to start another process or set something up before it works? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE3l1P1Aecwva1SWMRAiinAJ4pwPlEKsyce4nctVA+0PXDdJKBygCgjhgo +LhlcFdgR41zW8QIXPyQuTI= =Bliv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gregwilder at gregwilder.com Sat Aug 12 22:30:55 2006 From: gregwilder at gregwilder.com (Greg Wilder) Date: Sat Aug 12 22:31:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something In-Reply-To: <200608122000.k7CK0O7q007205@maia.meccahosting.com> References: <200608122000.k7CK0O7q007205@maia.meccahosting.com> Message-ID: <200608122230.55721.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> On Saturday 12 August 2006 4:00 pm, mike@mikesperone.com wrote: > On Sat Aug 12 15:25 R Parker wrote: > >--- Patrick Shirkey pshirkey@boosthardware.com> > > > >wrote: > >> Ron, > >> > >> I haven't heard it but, > >> > >> ==================== > >> if (it was mixed live on tX) > >> then it is a DJ mix which can be considered in > >> certain circumstances, > >> an original work; > > > >That's what they call originality? > > > >> On top of that(until it makes money or gets > >> significant international > >> exposure and airplay){ > >> the labels who own the original tracks won't even > >> know it exists; > >> ===================== > > > >What does "not knowing it exists" have to do with > >using someone else's property when your violating the > >owner rights? > >How do think the owners of GPL licensed software will > >feel when this behaviour you subscribe to becomes the > >norm for their source code? What distinguishes a DJ > >from the person who violates those rights? > > > >> the liklihood of that happening around here is slim > >> to non existant. > >> So, If you are going to complain every time a DJ > >> makes a remix > > > >Please don't use a personal attacks when debating with > >me. > >There is a system in place that enables you to use > >property that other people own the rights to. Be > >responsible and learn to use it. > >There's plenty I'd like to say but ironically enough I > >have a session with a DJ for whom we wrote the beats. > >It'll go about six or eight hours. Maybe I'll check in > >later to see what's up. Maybe I won't. > > > >Ron Parker > >Mirror Image Studio > > > >> R Parker wrote: > >> > --- Andrew Lewis alewis@systemsfusion.com> wrote: > >> >> It's a mash-up of other artists stuff, so it can > >> >>be considered > >> >> non-free/probably copyright infringement > >> > > >> > You think? > >> > > >> >> - if you are the artist or their > >> >> representation, please don't sue! > >> > > >> > I have great appreciation for the licensing of the > >> > software we use and the respect people pay to > >> >those terms. > >> > When you flagarantly violate expressed rights and > >> >then fly it in my face, I have to tell you to cease these > >> > activities. If nothing else, this demand > >> >disassociates me from you and your act of copyright violation. > >> > > >> >> I'm using TerminatorX to make some mixes of my > >> >> original material too (which > >> >> I'm sorry to say at this point - was made mostly > >> >> with 'that other OS', but my > >> >> Linux stuff is coming along). > > ... > > >> >> Artists I should credit (those of which I can > >> >> remember in any case): > >> >> > >> >> part1: Kevin Blechdom, Minibosses, Dev/Null, > >> >> Xanopticon, Maldoror > >> >> part2: Radiohead, Gold Chains & Sue Cie, Nirvana, > >> >> Vladislav Delay, Some > >> >> bollywood music I forget :\ > > ... > > >> >> That will be all, > >> >> Andrew > > I don't want to turn this into a big argument, but I just want to say one > thing. There is no copyright infringement involved in this tune that was > posted. Although he did use samples from copyrighted works, that alone > does not constitute copyright infringement. I won't go ahead and cite US > copyright law (and it's not some little loophole either), but basically > since there is no money being exchanged for this song and we as listeners > are playing this in a private setting, this entire thing is perfectly > legal. Sorry, but this is simply not the case. ?As with many IP issues, It's not possible to determine whether a particular instance is considered fair use until it is directly challenged in court, or examined with respect to legal precedent. ?That said, there is little doubt that outside of private in-home listening, fair use of music is extremely limited. http://www.eff.org/cafe/gross1.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/index.html Greg From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sat Aug 12 23:26:58 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sat Aug 12 23:27:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44DE9C02.7040804@boosthardware.com> R Parker wrote: > >> GPL anything can be freely remixed. What's your >> point? > > The GPL defines a set of rights. What happens when I > violate those rights? You claim it's OK to violate the > rights of the copyright owner for music. What is the > difference? Why is it OK to violate a musicians rights > but not OK to violate a software developers rights? > I believe its' a personal choice that a digital musician makes to incorporate legally or illegally any influence they feel intrinsic to the nature of their artwork. If we as artists are going to be held back by the rules that the industry has created to monetize art then we might as well go and jump off a tall building now. Also, I prefer the GPL because it means that anyone small who copies work I release under it doesn't have to worry about me chasing them down with a lawyer and is a relatively safe bet that companies that are paranoid about IP will not incorporate it directly into their code and claim it as their own. Apart from that it is up to the owner of artwork that is being "stolen" to chase it up. There exist many organizations that will do it on their behalf. If it gets to that point then you will probably be able to make money off the next track you release. If I was the owner of a piece of work that was ripped off and also made a lot of money I would be calling my lawyers to get my fair share. In that case I would be fairly happy that someone else had made more money for me without much further effort on my behalf and I'm sure my lawyer would be happy too. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Sun Aug 13 04:32:54 2006 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier) Date: Sun Aug 13 04:33:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [admin] spam handling on the linux-audio-* lists Message-ID: <44DEE3B6.90301@folkwang-hochschule.de> hi everyone! just fyi, the amount of spam in the moderation queues has risen to such an extent that the server admin, douglas repetto of columbia university, has implemented an auto-clear function for the queues. that means: if your message is not forwarded to the list, it will be dead, gone and forgotten. this happens either if you are using a non-subscribed address to post (regardless of whether you are subscribed with another account, even if it's in the same domain, i.e. if j@example.com is legitimate, j@dork.example.com will bounce), or if mailman determines you are posting html. due to a misunderstanding, this auto-nuking has been active on linux-audio-announce as well for the past couple of days. so if you tried to get an announcement out, please resend - the old one went straight to the bit bucket. regards, j?rn -- j?rn nettingsmeier home://germany/45128 essen/lortzingstr. 11/ http://spunk.dnsalias.org phone://+49/201/491621 if you are a free (as in "free speech") software developer and you happen to be travelling near my home, drop me a line and come round for a free (as in "free beer") beer. :-D From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Aug 13 06:48:04 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Aug 13 06:45:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Icons In-Reply-To: <200608111151.35167.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060730095231.73decd05@localhost> <20060730090544.GI12427@fitz.Belkin> <20060802192223.20eb8262@localhost> <200608111151.35167.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060813114804.2c3687f3@localhost> On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:51:34 +0100 tim hall wrote: > On Wednesday 02 August 2006 19:22, Folderol was like: > > On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 10:05:44 +0100 > > > > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > On Sun, 30 Jul, 2006 at 09:52AM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > > > > Does anyone know of a decent looking matched set of icons for mp3, ogg, > > > > wav, MIDI etc? > > > > > > Something might take your fancy here: > > > http://www.maxpower.ca/free-icons/2006/03/05/ > > > > Thanks for the link, but there really isn't anything there that fits > > the bill. > > Time to get inkscape out again methinks! It was always part of the plan to > make some generic sound-file icons to go with the musical application icons. > There are still a small number of music apps that lack icons too. I've thought about having a go at this myself, but my drawing ability is just about zero (even my school art teacher gave up on me). If you are able to put anything together for a set of icons I'd like to see them. -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Aug 13 06:55:48 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Aug 13 06:53:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New version of extreme-time stretching (with real-time support) In-Reply-To: <20060812132542.18511.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060812132542.18511.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060813115548.6a502295@localhost> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Paul wrote: > Hi. > I released a new version of PaulStretch, a high > quality extreme time-stretching software. > You can see more about it at (screenshots and > examples): > http://hypermammut.sourceforge.net/paulstretch/ > and download it(for linux and windows) from > http://sourceforge.net/projects/hypermammut > > News: > - support for realtime stretching (as a player) > - ogg vorbis support for input > - improved the stretching algorithm and now it can > do unlimited stretching > - other > > Paul This is an astonishing piece of software. Well done! -- Will J G From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 07:48:01 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun Aug 13 07:48:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xruns from ardour + softsynths Message-ID: <44DF1171.7040709@gmail.com> Hi I played a bit with ardour to the extend that I ended up with 12 tracks of backing vocals (playing at the same time) + a lead vocal + some talk + zynaddsubfx (running two pads + bass) + specimen (drums) + ams (lead) + seq24 for midi. This is too much for my setup, I get audible xruns every now and then (just after loading the song often, after a while about every minute, with no window activity) and qjackctl reports them all the time. However the cpu usage is below 50% so I'm led to believe that with some fine tuning it should be possible. My computer is a Pentium M 1.6 w 1G ram, 100G 7200 RPM HD running xubuntu/dapper/6.06 and I use the (I know shitty) onboard i8x0 . Basically all I did was: echo @audio - rtprio 99 >> /etc/security/limits.conf echo @audio - memlock 250000 >> /etc/security/limits.conf echo @audio - nice -10 >> /etc/security/limits.conf I think my soundcard works at 48000 hz, but I run jack at 44100 because of previous (now resolved) problems with zynaddsubfx. Could this be the cause of my problems? hdparms says: root@ajstrup:~# hdparm /dev/hda /dev/hda: multcount = 0 (off) IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) unmaskirq = 0 (off) using_dma = 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) geometry = 16383/255/63, sectors = 195371568, start = 0 And: root@ajstrup:~# cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 1435743 XT-PIC timer 1: 3861 XT-PIC i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 3: 28534 XT-PIC irda0 7: 0 XT-PIC parport0 8: 3 XT-PIC rtc 9: 916321 XT-PIC acpi 11: 2391090 XT-PIC uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2, uhci_hcd:usb3, ehci_hcd:usb4, ath0, yenta, Intel 82801DB-ICH4, yenta, eth0, radeon@pci:0000:01:00.0 12: 2488 XT-PIC i8042 14: 82500 XT-PIC ide0 15: 98767 XT-PIC ide1 NMI: 0 LOC: 0 ERR: 0 MIS: 0 This is how jackd is setup (run through qjackctl): atte@ajstrup:~$ cat .jackdrc /usr/bin/jackd -v -R -P65 -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 -S Any ideas? -- peace, love & harmony Atte From lanas at securenet.net Sun Aug 13 10:10:39 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sun Aug 13 10:05:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? Message-ID: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> Folks, First of all, I always appreciate reading the comments and replies to the questions. They are very useful. Recently there was a thread about a AMD64 setup but there was no clear mention of specific mobos that Simply Works. So I'd like to have recommendations from folks who actually are running successfully an AMD dual-core processor. I presently have a MSI K8N Neo4 SLI mobo and it's certainly not working well. I sent it also to California during the MSI recall for the dual-core update. Didn't change much: - USB does not work - Audio is only stereo (although it annouces 7.1 - not very encouraging) - SuSE 10.0 (and 9.3) gets confused about the two ethernet ports I have to fix them manually. - SATA Raid support is software-based (even though it has two different HW interfaces) - Audacity sometimes says it can't play any audio (could be an OS thing) Firewire works, as well as everything else ;-) So I use it, and I like the speed, especially with the 4 GB of RAM. I have a Zalman fan, and, very quiet power supply, amd quiet case fans, so it's not too bad. But I would like to get a mobo with which everything works and on which it is possible to expand (eg. adding a M Audio card for instance) with problems. Hardware SATA raid would be a plus, but I can live with SW raid. Anyone out there effectively using an AMD dual-core CPU with a 64-bit mainboard for MIDI sequencing and audio recording purposes without having to fiddle around a good percentage of the time ? If so, I'd like to get the exact mobo description and I'll do everything to get one exactly like that. Please also tell which distro is used. Thanks ! Al From gregwilder at gregwilder.com Sun Aug 13 10:09:12 2006 From: gregwilder at gregwilder.com (Greg Wilder) Date: Sun Aug 13 10:10:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44DE9C02.7040804@boosthardware.com> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DE9C02.7040804@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> On Saturday 12 August 2006 11:26 pm, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > I believe its' a personal choice that a digital musician makes to > incorporate legally or illegally any influence they feel intrinsic to > the nature of their artwork. Of course it's a personal choice. Just as it's my a personal choice to sue your ass for stealing _my_ music. > If we as artists are going to be held back by the rules that the > industry has created to monetize art then we might as well go and jump > off a tall building now. Yeah - just like the industry created rules to prevent people from tresspassing on private property - those fascists! Hey, I like where you've built your house, and I'm going to build a garage on your front lawn - industry be damned! > If I was the owner of a piece of work that was ripped off and also made > a lot of money I would be calling my lawyers to get my fair share. In > that case I would be fairly happy that someone else had made more money > for me without much further effort on my behalf and I'm sure my lawyer > would be happy too. And now we hear the truth. I can steal from you, but don't you steal from me? I'll chase you down. Come on... Greg From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Aug 13 10:48:56 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Aug 13 10:31:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <44DF3BD8.3070008@woh.rr.com> lanas wrote: > Recently there was a thread about a AMD64 setup but there was no >clear mention of specific mobos that Simply Works. So I'd like to have >recommendations from folks who actually are running successfully an AMD >dual-core processor. >[snip] > > Hi Al: FWIW I've acquired a new mobo, a Gigabyte K8N51GMF. The CPU is already installed, an Athlon 64 3800 socket 939. I plan to install the board tomorrow, I'll notify the list when the job's done. My MSI board was dead on arrival. It got good reviews from users, but mine was a show-stopper. Best, dp From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Aug 13 11:28:10 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun Aug 13 11:28:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DE9C02.7040804@boosthardware.com> <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> Message-ID: <44DF450A.9060007@boosthardware.com> Greg Wilder wrote: > On Saturday 12 August 2006 11:26 pm, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> I believe its' a personal choice that a digital musician makes to >> incorporate legally or illegally any influence they feel intrinsic to >> the nature of their artwork. > > Of course it's a personal choice. Just as it's my a personal choice to sue > your ass for stealing _my_ music. > Yep. If you own it and you want to sue then go ahead. If you want to discourage DJ's from remixing or even playing your tunes then you have the right attitude. >> If we as artists are going to be held back by the rules that the >> industry has created to monetize art then we might as well go and jump >> off a tall building now. > > Yeah - just like the industry created rules to prevent people from > tresspassing on private property - those fascists! Hey, I like where you've > built your house, and I'm going to build a garage on your front lawn - > industry be damned! > Ahem, That wasn't the industry that created that rule. >> If I was the owner of a piece of work that was ripped off and also made >> a lot of money I would be calling my lawyers to get my fair share. In >> that case I would be fairly happy that someone else had made more money >> for me without much further effort on my behalf and I'm sure my lawyer >> would be happy too. > > And now we hear the truth. I can steal from you, but don't you steal from me? > I'll chase you down. Come on... > Those are your words, not mine! If I incorporate parts of your recorded material into my own pieces and you don't notice does it make any difference? My experience of the music industry is that everyone is trying to rip each other off. How else do we explain the amount of crap that is produced to make money and retain residencies at "insert Your favorite club here"? If I release a track with a copyright that doesn't allow unlicensed reproduction or distribution it is my express desire that someone will make a remix that sells in the thousands so I can sue their ass and get some extra money from it, get more exposure for my original work and increase my profile through a highly visible publicity campaign explaining how hard done by I am that my music as ripped off and how amazing my original work is that someone would want to rip it off in hte first place. Why else would I want to protect my IP other than making as much money as possible from it? -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From _ at whats-your.name Sun Aug 13 11:34:17 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sun Aug 13 11:34:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> On Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 10:10:39AM -0400, lanas wrote: > Folks, > > First of all, I always appreciate reading the comments and replies to > the questions. They are very useful. > > Recently there was a thread about a AMD64 setup but there was no > clear mention of specific mobos that Simply Works. So I'd like to have > recommendations from folks who actually are running successfully an AMD > dual-core processor. you know that Intel's Core 2 Duo is 64bit, faster than Opteron, and equal in price, right? its just that its going to be damn difficult (impossible?) to find an AMD64 mobo that has Intel video onboard, and Intel doesnt make PCIx videocards afaik. From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Sun Aug 13 13:35:49 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Sun Aug 13 13:36:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] om in ubuntu dapper spitting errors with presets In-Reply-To: <44DE5D54.9000809@linuxuse.de> References: <44DDC56A.5050904@linuxuse.de> <44DDE814.4030208@boosthardware.com> <44DE5D54.9000809@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <1155490549.25050.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-08-13 at 00:59 +0200, Hartmut Noack wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Patrick Shirkey schrieb: > > Hi, > > > > Check the page on the om wiki about plugins. It has links to most of the > > main ladspa deps. > > > > Cheers. > > > > Thanks for the hints, Patrick - i installed every last one of the > recommended LADSPA-Stuff unfortunately it did not help: > > ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Attack Time (s) > ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Attack Time (s) > ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Decay Time (s) > ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Decay Time (s) > ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Release Time (s) > ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Release Time (s) I think this might be The Blop Translation Problem(TM). If you're in a non-english locale (which judging by your domain you probably are) the blop packager for some distros translated the port labels - the port names which are stored in patches to load up everything. Oops. Looks like you're trying 0.2.0 (which is ancient BTW). Your only option for now is to get a non-translated blop plugins package, or don't load patches with blop plugins in them (eg just make a new patch and play around) Sorry; Om's new incarnation (namely Ingen) will fix this problem (among others). Stay tuned... -DR- From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Aug 13 14:15:18 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Aug 13 14:12:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] No sound on 64studio - Was: [a-users] Re: Giving DeMuDi & Ardour a shot In-Reply-To: <20060813134637.0172feb5@localhost> References: <42528.170.61.20.229.1155299063.squirrel@thelinuxlink.net> <20060813114334.50740ae3@localhost> <874pwgsx6a.fsf@miu-ft.org> <20060813134637.0172feb5@localhost> Message-ID: <20060813191518.13084324@localhost> On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:46:37 +0100 Folderol wrote: > On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:16:29 +0200 > Free Ekanayaka wrote: > > > |--==> folderol writes: > > > > f> On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:24:23 -0400 (EDT) > > f> "Patrick Davila" wrote: > > > > >>>I used DeMuDi and now I'm on 64Studio, which has a 32bit version by now > > >>>and is near 1.0 state. (Originally, this was very closely related to > > >>>DeMuDi) See http://64studio.com > > >>> > > >>>Hermann > > >> > > >>Downloaded and ready to install. Thanks for the information. > > > > f> I just tried this myself, but it can't see my sound card (m-audio 2496). > > > > f> Anyone got suggestions as to what I should look for to put it right? > > > > Are you using the i386 version or the amd64 one? > > i386 > > > According to this page > > > > http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-MAudio#matrix > > > > the right kernel module for your card is snd-ice1712. What happens if > > you try to run this command from the console: > > > > sudo modprobe snd-ice1712 > > > > ? > > > > Ciao, > > > > Free > > This returns nothing so presumably the mode isn't present. I tried > looking for it in synaptic but that only returned alsa-tools. I did a > re-install of that anyway just in case, but it doesn't seem to have made > any difference. Update: OK seems I misunderstood the purpose of modprobe, still get no sound though. Tried moving the soundcard to a different slot - no difference. Noticed that one of the startup messages is that alsa can't grab irq0 so I had a look in the bios setting to see if I could find any reference to it. Nothing mentioned below irq3. Double checked that it still works correctly with demudi 1.2.1 - It does. I'm copying this across to LAU as I think this is really the correct place for a non-demudi enquiry. -- Will J G From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 14:21:03 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun Aug 13 14:21:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] interrupts Message-ID: <44DF6D8F.6070608@gmail.com> Hi I run xubuntu on a IBM T41 laptop with Pentium M 1.6 and 1G ram. Reading this (http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=40) suggests that I should have change the priority of my sound card. Here's my /proc/interrupts: atte@ajstrup:~$ cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 2421490 XT-PIC timer 1: 11005 XT-PIC i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 7: 0 XT-PIC parport0 8: 5 XT-PIC rtc 9: 1587965 XT-PIC acpi 11: 3008807 XT-PIC uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2, uhci_hcd:usb3, ehci_hcd:usb4, yenta, yenta, radeon@pci:0000:01:00.0, Intel 82801DB-ICH4, ath0, eth0 12: 68364 XT-PIC i8042 14: 95065 XT-PIC ide0 15: 167883 XT-PIC ide1 NMI: 0 LOC: 0 ERR: 0 MIS: 0 And heres lspci: atte@ajstrup:~$ lspci 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82855PM Processor to I/O Controller (rev 03) 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82855PM Processor to AGP Controller (rev 03) 0000:00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01) 0000:00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01) 0000:00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01) 0000:00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01) 0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 81) 0000:00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01) 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller (rev 01) 0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller (rev 01) 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) 0000:00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 01) 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] 0000:02:00.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI4520 PC card Cardbus Controller (rev 01) 0000:02:00.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI4520 PC card Cardbus Controller (rev 01) 0000:02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82540EP Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Mobile) (rev 03) 0000:02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) So I have two soundcards, the onboard (82801DBDBL/DBM, from looking at lspci) and an Edirol USB UA1A. It seems that alot of stuff is sharing IRQ 11 (soundcard, usb, graphics card, ethernet, wlan and pcmcia). So my questions is: Would the way to go be to reassign usb and soundcard to their own (shared?) IRQ?. How is this done and which IRQ should I go for? -- peace, love & harmony Atte From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Aug 13 14:33:09 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Aug 13 14:30:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] oops Message-ID: <20060813193309.0b405c40@localhost> sorry about the THREE copies of my previous posts. I haven't a clue what went wrong :( -- Will J G From lars.luthman at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 14:41:30 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Sun Aug 13 14:41:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] om in ubuntu dapper spitting errors with presets In-Reply-To: <1155490549.25050.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <44DDC56A.5050904@linuxuse.de> <44DDE814.4030208@boosthardware.com> <44DE5D54.9000809@linuxuse.de> <1155490549.25050.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1155494490.21965.3.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Sun, 2006-08-13 at 13:35 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: > On Sun, 2006-08-13 at 00:59 +0200, Hartmut Noack wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Patrick Shirkey schrieb: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Check the page on the om wiki about plugins. It has links to most of the > > > main ladspa deps. > > > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > > Thanks for the hints, Patrick - i installed every last one of the > > recommended LADSPA-Stuff unfortunately it did not help: > > > > ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Attack Time (s) > > ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Attack Time (s) > > ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Decay Time (s) > > ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Decay Time (s) > > ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Release Time (s) > > ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Release Time (s) > > I think this might be The Blop Translation Problem(TM). If you're in a > non-english locale (which judging by your domain you probably are) the > blop packager for some distros translated the port labels - the port > names which are stored in patches to load up everything. Oops. > > Looks like you're trying 0.2.0 (which is ancient BTW). Your only option > for now is to get a non-translated blop plugins package, or don't load > patches with blop plugins in them (eg just make a new patch and play > around) Wouldn't it work to set LANG to en_GB or similar before starting Om? -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If it's a laptop you are screwed - the interrupt sharing is hard wired. If it's a normal PC, you can move devices to different PCI slots. Lee From bernie.arai at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 16:12:09 2006 From: bernie.arai at gmail.com (bernie arai) Date: Sun Aug 13 16:12:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music apps for handhelds? Message-ID: i've recently come into possesion of a compaq ipaq (an older one, 3760) and i'm trying to learn about putting the familiar linux distro on it. i've been looking for any music apps that i could use for it if i get linux running on it, and so far i've found PDa the pure data version for linux pda's. anyone else know of any other apps? like maybe a tracker, or anything? i'm torn between sticking to (ugh) the pocketPC, where i've found a few neat music apps (griff, milky tracker, pocket jam) which i could use, but i'd sure love to be able to use linux and OSS choices instead... bernie From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 16:23:48 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun Aug 13 16:24:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] interrupts In-Reply-To: <1155498488.14337.47.camel@mindpipe> References: <44DF6D8F.6070608@gmail.com> <1155498488.14337.47.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44DF8A54.6070800@gmail.com> Lee Revell wrote: > If it's a laptop you are screwed - the interrupt sharing is hard wired. I'm screwed :-( There was something about PCI interrupts in the BIOS, maybe I'm totally lucky (it's a thinkpad after all), will have a look. Supposed the IRQ's are hardwired, Would it make sense to set the priority of IRQ 11 high (like 82 as mentioned in the web page)? Might get something else along with that, but, maybe it's better than nothing? Also (while talking about priority); I have -P 70 set in qjackctl, however I don't see that priority with anything. Here's a moment of top: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 7417 atte 16 0 150m 148m 21m R 20.3 14.7 1:09.79 ardour 7399 atte 16 0 35616 34m 19m S 6.0 3.4 0:22.13 ams.real 5233 atte 15 0 30484 28m 17m S 5.6 2.8 1:05.00 qjackctl 5242 atte 19 0 35728 34m 2556 S 4.0 3.5 0:44.81 jackd 7391 atte 15 0 45344 44m 8028 S 4.0 4.4 0:41.56 zynaddsubfx 1825 root -44 -5 0 0 0 S 1.7 0.0 0:15.75 IRQ 11 4670 root 15 0 1412 172 116 S 1.0 0.0 0:06.19 thinkpad-keys 7393 atte 15 0 46076 44m 16m S 1.0 4.5 0:06.69 seq24 4404 root 15 0 66272 17m 7184 S 0.7 1.7 0:26.13 Xorg 7392 atte 15 0 41168 40m 17m S 0.7 4.0 0:06.68 specimen 7 root -2 0 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:00.49 softirq-tasklet 1738 root -45 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:00.60 IRQ 15 5261 atte 15 0 42360 16m 8644 S 0.3 1.7 0:05.72 xfce4-terminal 1 root 16 0 1568 528 460 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.19 init 2 root -2 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 softirq-high/0 3 root -2 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:04.05 softirq-timer/0 4 root -2 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 softirq-net-tx/ This is running 2.6.15-rt21. I guess it's the PR column we're talking about, right? So almost all sound related should be higher, esp the IRQ 11 at -44. Where are the priorities for stuff like ardour and synths set? How about the nice levels, are they ok and if not is the only possibility to renice them? Also; looking at the mentioned web page, am I supposed to call chrt once or on every boot? Lot of questions, sorry... -- peace, love & harmony Atte From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Aug 13 16:29:57 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Aug 13 16:29:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] interrupts In-Reply-To: <44DF8A54.6070800@gmail.com> References: <44DF6D8F.6070608@gmail.com> <1155498488.14337.47.camel@mindpipe> <44DF8A54.6070800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1155500998.14337.55.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-08-13 at 22:23 +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > > If it's a laptop you are screwed - the interrupt sharing is hard wired. > > I'm screwed :-( > > There was something about PCI interrupts in the BIOS, maybe I'm totally > lucky (it's a thinkpad after all), will have a look. > > Supposed the IRQ's are hardwired, Would it make sense to set the > priority of IRQ 11 high (like 82 as mentioned in the web page)? Might > get something else along with that, but, maybe it's better than nothing? > It's completely unpredictable what this will do. It might improve things, it may make them worse. > Also (while talking about priority); I have -P 70 set in qjackctl, > however I don't see that priority with anything. Here's a moment of top: > Because jackd is multithreaded but ps only reports the priority of one thread. Lee From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sun Aug 13 16:32:49 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Sun Aug 13 16:32:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] interrupts In-Reply-To: <1155500998.14337.55.camel@mindpipe> References: <44DF6D8F.6070608@gmail.com> <1155498488.14337.47.camel@mindpipe> <44DF8A54.6070800@gmail.com> <1155500998.14337.55.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060813223249.69330f42@mango.fruits> On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:29:57 -0400 Lee Revell wrote: > > Because jackd is multithreaded but ps only reports the priority of one > thread. htop is really nice for these things. it can sort for prio [and takes rt prio into account] and has a nice ncurses interface :) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From HomeTheater at feline-soul.com Sun Aug 13 18:03:55 2006 From: HomeTheater at feline-soul.com (Bearcat M. Sandor) Date: Sun Aug 13 18:02:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] auto-track splitting (gramofile replacement) Message-ID: <200608131603.55680.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> Hello folks, I have a number of files that were transcribed from records. One side of the record equals one wav file. I used to use gramofile to split them up. Gramofile simply searched for the quiet passages and broke up the tracks, based on user preferences. Gramofile is no-more and my system has advanced to the point where gramofile is broken and i cannot recompile it. Is there another app that does the same thing (or can do it) and is still active. Command line or gui makes no difference, but i have a preference for qt/kde, though gtk based is ok. Bearcat M. Sandor From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sun Aug 13 18:29:22 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sun Aug 13 18:29:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] om in ubuntu dapper spitting errors with presets In-Reply-To: <1155490549.25050.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <44DDC56A.5050904@linuxuse.de> <44DDE814.4030208@boosthardware.com> <44DE5D54.9000809@linuxuse.de> <1155490549.25050.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44DFA7C2.40300@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dave Robillard schrieb: > > I think this might be The Blop Translation Problem(TM). If you're in a > non-english locale (which judging by your domain you probably are) the > blop packager for some distros translated the port labels - the port > names which are stored in patches to load up everything. Oops. cool! big thanks :-) there was a somewhat similar issue with ardour about 2 years ago so the old workaround is handy: #!/bin/sh #ARDOUR auf eNGLISCH starten xterm -title "om-startshell" -geometry 64x15 -e 'unset LANG;unset LC_ALL; om& sleep 2; om_gtk' It works like a charm :-) > Looks like you're trying 0.2.0 (which is ancient BTW). Your only option > for now is to get a non-translated blop plugins package, or don't load > patches with blop plugins in them (eg just make a new patch and play > around) > > Sorry; Om's new incarnation (namely Ingen) will fix this problem (among > others). Stay tuned... > > -DR- good to know that, i hope there will be a ubuntu-dapperpackage before long... best regards Z -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE36fC1Aecwva1SWMRAtutAJ9cAGgNZDa6OX/vcPrvfAGwqcmnwgCeLtdP FBCVjdPM8JIq5Mxz3L8AXUk= =2hor -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From _ at whats-your.name Sun Aug 13 18:53:04 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sun Aug 13 18:53:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] auto-track splitting (gramofile replacement) In-Reply-To: <200608131603.55680.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> References: <200608131603.55680.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> Message-ID: <20060813225304.GC18534@replic.net> On Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 04:03:55PM -0600, Bearcat M. Sandor wrote: > Hello folks, > > I have a number of files that were transcribed from records. One side of the > record equals one wav file. I used to use gramofile to split them up. > Gramofile simply searched for the quiet passages and broke up the tracks, > based on user preferences. > > Gramofile is no-more and my system has advanced to the point where gramofile > is broken and i cannot recompile it. > > Is there another app that does the same thing (or can do it) and is still > active. Command line or gui makes no difference, but i have a preference for > qt/kde, though gtk based is ok. this maybe (havent tried it): * media-sound/gwc Latest version available: 0.21.05-r1 Latest version installed: 0.21.05-r1 Size of downloaded files: 2,049 kB Homepage: http://gwc.sourceforge.net/ Description: Gnome Wave Cleaner License: GPL-1 personalyl i just use a wave editor / DAW with fast zooming, set markers on all the gaps, then file->save marked segments as files or wahtever. works in Samplitude and Wavelab anyways, and presumably at least one of the few dozen linux wave editors > > Bearcat M. Sandor > From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sun Aug 13 18:57:00 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sun Aug 13 18:56:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44DF450A.9060007@boosthardware.com> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DE9C02.7040804@boosthardware.com> <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <44DF450A.9060007@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Shirkey schrieb: > If I release a track with a copyright that doesn't allow unlicensed > reproduction or distribution it is my express desire that someone will > make a remix that sells in the thousands so I can sue their ass and get > some extra money from it, get more exposure for my original work and > increase my profile through a highly visible publicity campaign > explaining how hard done by I am that my music as ripped off and how > amazing my original work is that someone would want to rip it off in hte > first place. > > Why else would I want to protect my IP other than making as much money > as possible from it? > > Because i want to keep my personal expressions linked to my name. Music/Art is NO "IP" it is something personal that belongs to the creator by law of nature. Software is very much different - it is abstract and has to follow deterministic rules that are set by machinedesign, compilerrules, maths etc. so if you implement a feature for w computer by means of coding you have to follow rules that are made by a community of founders, that follow logical determination also - you do not "create" features in software - you rearrange things that have been done before - a bit similar to the work with records that are made to be mixed by DJs, or with loops that where recorded with the sole intention to be used with samplers. My recordings are made with the intention to be heared and played as is - - they are my personal expressions and if you remix them, you should at least mention my authorship and if i do not want you to remix it should be a question of your own sense of dignity to respect this. Some of my tracks are here: http://linuxuse.de/hzn/engmanifest.html I publish my tracks with a CC-licence sharealike, attribution, non-commercial. So i do not try to make piles of money by forbidding the fair use of my music - i just want to be respected as the author and - yes - i want a fair share if someone makes money with my work... BTW: i have abou 200 Megs of Samples on the net, that you can use as you wish (they are licenced LGPL-like): http://gnupc.de/~zettberlin/law/samples/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE36481Aecwva1SWMRAkMWAJoDwO8h4iOzkMQJ99AoswTRMKk3OgCfZDeS 4BDePnjfuQTjb8YJbLc+7n8= =kWZ9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lars.luthman at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 19:04:45 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Sun Aug 13 19:04:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DE9C02.7040804@boosthardware.com> <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <44DF450A.9060007@boosthardware.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <1155510285.21965.9.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Mon, 2006-08-14 at 00:57 +0200, Hartmut Noack wrote: > Music/Art is NO "IP" it is something personal that belongs to the > creator by law of nature. > Software is very much different - it is abstract and has to follow > deterministic rules that are set by machinedesign, compilerrules, maths > etc. so if you implement a feature for w computer by means of coding you > have to follow rules that are made by a community of founders, that > follow logical determination also - you do not "create" features in > software - you rearrange things that have been done before - a bit > similar to the work with records that are made to be mixed by DJs, or > with loops that where recorded with the sole intention to be used with > samplers. Are you saying that programming is less creative and original and "personal" (whatever that means) than writing and recording music? I definitely disagree. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I used to use gramofile to split them up. > Gramofile simply searched for the quiet passages and broke up the tracks, > based on user preferences. > > Gramofile is no-more and my system has advanced to the point where > gramofile is broken and i cannot recompile it. > > Is there another app that does the same thing (or can do it) and is still > active. Command line or gui makes no difference, but i have a preference > for qt/kde, though gtk based is ok. For mastering my old albums to CD I use audacity for the recording & cleanup, then use gcdmaster to create the CDs. It won't auto-split into tracks, but the gui shows a waveform of your wav file - you can then position track markers wherever you like & burn to CD. I always found gramofile seemed to chop tracks a little short with it's autosplitting & I could never tweak it just the way I liked it. This way, if I want individual tracks, I just use the CD: grip -> ogg vorbis (gotta love my iRiver!). I find doing it that way that the tracks don't end so abruptly and fade-outs properly fade out. Now if audacity had this ability to apply track markers & generate a TOC file for cdrdao, I wouldn't need gcdmaster at all ;-) Cheers, - Brendon. -- "Danger, you haven't seen the last of me!" "No, but the first of you turns my stomach!" -- The Firesign Theatre's Nick Danger 08:58:03 up 20 days, 17:49, 9 users, load average: 0.21, 0.24, 0.22 From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sun Aug 13 19:22:13 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sun Aug 13 19:21:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <1155510285.21965.9.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DE9C02.7040804@boosthardware.com> <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <44DF450A.9060007@boosthardware.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> <1155510285.21965.9.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> Message-ID: <44DFB425.7020900@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lars Luthman schrieb: > > Are you saying that programming is less creative and original and > "personal" (whatever that means) than writing and recording music? I > definitely disagree. > the borders are fuzzy i admit: some say, Bach did not write the art of fugue to be played but for scholarship only - at the other hand software can be very original but still there is a major difference: as an artist, you do not NEED to follow known rules - you ARE the rule. If you write software, you NEED to do everything by the book if you want to have it compiled at least.. Plus: software can be optimized, there is a way to write a program, that is as near to perfection as possible - but you may agree, that there is no such thing as a "perfect song" or "the perfect novel". So i would say that coding and making music is both craftsmanship but music is more than that, you have a level of freedom, that no craftsman has, and so the results are in fact more personal. This applies especially, if you play an instrument, you improvize, you are spontaneous, impulsive etc. all of this would not be so much helpfull if you write code... And: there is no dishonour at all in being a great craftsman and i believe, that the personal attribution to the author should be mandatory too if code is distributed also. best regards Z -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE37Ql1Aecwva1SWMRAg3hAJ43E7u2mRBSfUOYw5Vu5SJkoEX2ngCcDE8a HwG5uIscT91Xnam2LwObSM4= =D9a9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Sun Aug 13 20:09:11 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Sun Aug 13 20:09:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] om in ubuntu dapper spitting errors with presets In-Reply-To: <1155494490.21965.3.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> References: <44DDC56A.5050904@linuxuse.de> <44DDE814.4030208@boosthardware.com> <44DE5D54.9000809@linuxuse.de> <1155490549.25050.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1155494490.21965.3.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> Message-ID: <1155514152.25803.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-08-13 at 20:41 +0200, Lars Luthman wrote: > On Sun, 2006-08-13 at 13:35 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-08-13 at 00:59 +0200, Hartmut Noack wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Patrick Shirkey schrieb: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Check the page on the om wiki about plugins. It has links to most of the > > > > main ladspa deps. > > > > > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the hints, Patrick - i installed every last one of the > > > recommended LADSPA-Stuff unfortunately it did not help: > > > > > > ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Attack Time (s) > > > ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Attack Time (s) > > > ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Decay Time (s) > > > ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Decay Time (s) > > > ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Release Time (s) > > > ERROR: Unable to find object /saw_detuned/amp_env/Release Time (s) > > > > I think this might be The Blop Translation Problem(TM). If you're in a > > non-english locale (which judging by your domain you probably are) the > > blop packager for some distros translated the port labels - the port > > names which are stored in patches to load up everything. Oops. > > > > Looks like you're trying 0.2.0 (which is ancient BTW). Your only option > > for now is to get a non-translated blop plugins package, or don't load > > patches with blop plugins in them (eg just make a new patch and play > > around) > > Wouldn't it work to set LANG to en_GB or similar before starting Om? ... okay, or that :) -DR- From holborn at telefonica.net Sun Aug 13 20:12:32 2006 From: holborn at telefonica.net (holborn) Date: Sun Aug 13 20:12:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] stygmorgan-0.27 released. Message-ID: <200608140112.32514.holborn@telefonica.net> Hi! stygmorgan is a Interactive musical workstation software, that is to say, an organ with automatic accompaniment capable to create complex musical sequences. Features: - Style with up to 20 real time patterns. - Pattern up to 16 tracks, 7 simultaneous, capable to play different tracks for each chord. - Two modes of recognize chords. (32 different chords). - Import STY and PRS (Musical Style File Formats). - Recordings. - Chord sequencer. Take a look in http://stygmorgan.berlios.de Ahm..... sorry the html help files are in spanish, maybe someone can translate :-) Josep From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 20:41:40 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun Aug 13 20:41:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] interrupts In-Reply-To: <1155500998.14337.55.camel@mindpipe> References: <44DF6D8F.6070608@gmail.com> <1155498488.14337.47.camel@mindpipe> <44DF8A54.6070800@gmail.com> <1155500998.14337.55.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44DFC6C4.7030209@gmail.com> Lee Revell wrote: > It's completely unpredictable what this will do. It might improve > things, it may make them worse. Didn't do anything yet. It seems that going back to openbox solved a lot of problem. I actually managed to work for hours without a simgle dropout (a few incidents of jack dying when cpu was above 100%) and finished my test production. And I thought xfce4 was supposed to be light. Yeah right... -- peace, love & harmony Atte From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 23:34:29 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun Aug 13 21:34:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] stygmorgan-0.27 released. In-Reply-To: <200608140112.32514.holborn@telefonica.net> References: <200608140112.32514.holborn@telefonica.net> Message-ID: <44DFEF45.1020003@gmail.com> holborn escribio': > Hi! > > stygmorgan is a Interactive musical workstation software, that is to say, an > organ with automatic accompaniment capable to create complex musical > sequences. > > Features: > > - Style with up to 20 real time patterns. > > - Pattern up to 16 tracks, 7 simultaneous, capable to play different > tracks for each chord. > > - Two modes of recognize chords. (32 different chords). > > - Import STY and PRS (Musical Style File Formats). > > - Recordings. > > - Chord sequencer. > > Take a look in http://stygmorgan.berlios.de > > > Ahm..... sorry the html help files are in spanish, maybe someone can > translate :-) > > Josep > > Hola , I get this error when try to compile in Ubuntu dapper : Making all in src make[1]: se ingresa al directorio `/home/supertux/code/stygmorgan-0.27/src' if g++ -DHELPDIR=\"/usr/local/share/doc/stygmorgan\" -DDATADIR=\"/usr/local/share/stygmorgan\" -DWEBSITE=\""stygmorgan.berlios.de"\" -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DPACKAGE=\"stygmorgan\" -DVERSION=\"0.27\" -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_STDINT_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_SELECT_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_SOCKET_H=1 -DSELECT_TYPE_ARG1=int -DSELECT_TYPE_ARG234=\(fd_set\ \*\) -DSELECT_TYPE_ARG5=\(struct\ timeval\ \*\) -DHAVE_BZERO=1 -DHAVE_MEMSET=1 -DHAVE_SELECT=1 -DHAVE_STRDUP=1 -DHAVE_STRSTR=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -I. -I. -O2 -Wall -I/usr/include/freetype2 -MT main.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/main.Tpo" -c -o main.o main.C; \ then mv -f ".deps/main.Tpo" ".deps/main.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/main.Tpo"; exit 1; fi En el fichero inclui'do de main.C:27: stygmorgan.h:34:21: error: X11/xpm.h: No existe el fichero o' directorio stygmorgan.h:45: error: 'Pixmap' no nombra a un tipo make[1]: *** [main.o] Error 1 make[1]: se sale del directorio `/home/supertux/code/stygmorgan-0.27/src' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 Saludos . -- Carlos. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Aug 13 21:41:57 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Aug 13 21:41:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] stygmorgan-0.27 released. In-Reply-To: <44DFEF45.1020003@gmail.com> References: <200608140112.32514.holborn@telefonica.net> <44DFEF45.1020003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1155519717.19474.11.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-08-14 at 05:34 +0200, Carlos Pino wrote: > stygmorgan.h:34:21: error: X11/xpm.h: No existe el fichero o' > directorio apt-get install libxpm-dev? Lee From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 23:51:38 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun Aug 13 21:52:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] stygmorgan-0.27 released. In-Reply-To: <1155519717.19474.11.camel@mindpipe> References: <200608140112.32514.holborn@telefonica.net> <44DFEF45.1020003@gmail.com> <1155519717.19474.11.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44DFF34A.20005@gmail.com> Lee Revell escribi?: > On Mon, 2006-08-14 at 05:34 +0200, Carlos Pino wrote: > >> stygmorgan.h:34:21: error: X11/xpm.h: No existe el fichero o' >> directorio >> > > apt-get install libxpm-dev? > > Lee > > > Yeah , that is the solution . :-) Thank you very much. Saludos . -- Carlos. From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 23:00:26 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Aug 13 23:00:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made in Linux anybody? In-Reply-To: References: <007d01c53e0b$6d94ae30$6500a8c0@nquitlaptop> <200504101639.12601.reuben.m@gmail.com> <012301c53e73$8e4b2e20$6500a8c0@nquitlaptop> <200504111234.36644.reuben.m@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0608132000p377e3551wac0eca765dd2c059@mail.gmail.com> On 8/7/06, Aaron Trumm wrote: > Hi everybody! This is Aaron from NQuit and CCRMA and I have this > announcement. > > I'm releasing my newest CD, officially as of tommorrow - or wait - > Wednesday - yes. It's called "Bleed" - Aaron J. Trumm "Bleed". > > I thought it might be of interest to us on this group because this release > was recorded entirely in Linux, using Ardour (and Hydrogen on occasion, and > probably some soft synths - yes Qsynth I'm sure) > > http://www.nquit.com/bleed > > That's the web address for the CD, which has lyrics and little bit of video > and buy links and such. It's available from us (NQuit) now and soon it'll > be on CDbaby and then distributed to all the digital distributors and online > sources and hopefully real world stores will order it, etc. etc. > > Every page on the site has a short loop of the song in question, and at some > point I may be able to throw some more mp3 links your way, but in the > meantime here's one: > > http://www.nquit.com/sounds/AaronTrumm/Bleed/02AaronTrummBleed.mp3 > > That's the title track, "Bleed". > > Hope everybody enjoys, and since I'm pretty damn hungry after being a grad > student for a year, I kinda hope everybody buys it too *laugh* > > > - A > > ps: > the slick of you will find out something about that mp3 link... Hi Aaron, Well recorded. Well sung. Well mixed on my monitors. Thanks for sharing. Your lyrics often tend to be a bit edgy for me. That said, I like being pushed around a bit now and then and this song did a good job of that. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 23:10:30 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Aug 13 23:10:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Track In-Reply-To: <1155207317.6952.106.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1155207317.6952.106.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0608132010m25c8e867j51d70b9924db5d73@mail.gmail.com> On 8/10/06, Jonty Needham wrote: > Dear All > > This kind of uses some uncleared samples -- the vocals, which > belong to the lovely Misty Edwards. Drums > are one loop, ("It's a new day" at the start) then all the rest > is hydrogen. Sequenced in > Rosegarden, mastered (preliminarily) in Audacity, recorded in > Ardour, and > all instruments are Zynaddsubfx and the piano is qsynth. Let me > know what > you think. > > At http://www.cs.bath.ac.uk/~jmn20/Noah_final.ogg > > God bless > Jonty > -- > Jonty Needham > > Hi Jonty, Good stuff. I like the energy all the way through. Like others I came to not like the piano mouch. It was fine at the start but after a while I felt it needed to maybe morph around a bit - run some filters across frequency, panning - something. Anyway, I like the work. Misty Edwards does have a nice voice. Cheers, Mark From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Aug 13 23:26:42 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun Aug 13 23:27:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DE9C02.7040804@boosthardware.com> <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <44DF450A.9060007@boosthardware.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> Hartmut Noack wrote: > >> >> Why else would I want to protect my IP other than making as much money >> as possible from it? >> >> > > Because i want to keep my personal expressions linked to my name. > That shouldn't be a reason to stop people from using your work and incorporating it into their own art. Art transforms over time through the application of skills and knowledge learnt. If we get precious about other artists incorporating our work then we are just trying to stop a natural process of evolution. From my POV that is absolutely 100% pointless. However, if you want to make money from your art and you want make sure that others who make money from using your art are forced to share their profit with you it makes sense to license your work with very strict conditions. That way you can sue if the money is worth it and keep another industry ticking over too. Plus you get all the other benefits like being able to say your suing "XXX" for theft of your art work while your rubbing shoulders with lesser mortals at the next society event. And if you are really lucky the person you are suing will be there too and you can get really artistic and have a drunken fight or break something... I mean if you are going to have the airs of being and important artist you might as well revel in it... Right? -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Mon Aug 14 03:13:44 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Mon Aug 14 03:13:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DE9C02.7040804@boosthardware.com> <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <44DF450A.9060007@boosthardware.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Shirkey schrieb: > Hartmut Noack wrote: >> >>> >>> Why else would I want to protect my IP other than making as much money >>> as possible from it? >>> >>> >> >> Because i want to keep my personal expressions linked to my name. >> > > That shouldn't be a reason to stop people from using your work and > incorporating it into their own art. It is not, i licence my stuff CC attribution, sharealike, non-commercial. So, if you want to use my stuff, go ahead but dont forget to mention me ;-) And if you see a chance to make money with it (and i certainly do not speak about a free beer and a 20 buckaroos or so for a gig, or even selling a hundred selfmade CDs a year }:-] ) > Art transforms over time through the application of skills and knowledge > learnt. If we get precious about other artists incorporating our work > then we are just trying to stop a natural process of evolution. From my > POV that is absolutely 100% pointless. Well now, this is like some stupid popstar, that does not mention the musicians, that played his recording on the CD-cover. > However, if you want to make money from your art and you want make sure > that others who make money from using your art are forced to share > their profit with you it makes sense to license your work with very > strict conditions. So if Trent Reznor would take your tracks to illustrate the next Oliver Stone Movie and would not trow you a single cent (from the some 10thousends he gets for it) and would not even mention your name but claim to be the sole creator of the soundtrack that would be OK then... > That way you can sue if the money is worth it and keep another industry > ticking over too. Plus you get all the other benefits like being able to > say your suing "XXX" for theft of your art work while your rubbing > shoulders with lesser mortals at the next society event. And if you are > really lucky the person you are suing will be there too and you can get > really artistic and have a drunken fight or break something... I mean if > you are going to have the airs of being and important artist you might > as well revel in it... Right? Not right, for i would not use the corrupt and stupid "copyright" law to get my claims in the first place but ask the user of my stuff for some respect personally without a lawyer involved. There really is something between the established industry-slavery and total unawareness of authorship. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE4CKo1Aecwva1SWMRAqsIAJ4pgKkxxa28sviAZSOXiBeHUEN0QACdHWzY vRKMMLKBd8a4gObPdd47lJ4= =Bv7E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Aug 14 05:13:44 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon Aug 14 05:14:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DE9C02.7040804@boosthardware.com> <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <44DF450A.9060007@boosthardware.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> Hartmut Noack wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Patrick Shirkey schrieb: >> Hartmut Noack wrote: >>>> Why else would I want to protect my IP other than making as much money >>>> as possible from it? >>>> >>>> >>> Because i want to keep my personal expressions linked to my name. >>> >> That shouldn't be a reason to stop people from using your work and >> incorporating it into their own art. > > > It is not, i licence my stuff CC attribution, sharealike, > non-commercial. So, if you want to use my stuff, go ahead but dont > forget to mention me ;-) > And if you see a chance to make money with it (and i certainly do not > speak about a free beer and a 20 buckaroos or so for a gig, or even > selling a hundred selfmade CDs a year }:-] ) > > >> Art transforms over time through the application of skills and knowledge >> learnt. If we get precious about other artists incorporating our work >> then we are just trying to stop a natural process of evolution. From my >> POV that is absolutely 100% pointless. > > Well now, this is like some stupid popstar, that does not mention the > musicians, that played his recording on the CD-cover. > That's a big leap to make. I compare it to graphic art like a collage made up of newspaper clippings or a video of Doublwa or his poodle with TV speeches edited and juxtaposed to say what they really mean they start dribbling on TV. In those cases do you really care where the original media came from? If you have any brains you can work it out anyway. > >> However, if you want to make money from your art and you want make sure >> that others who make money from using your art are forced to share >> their profit with you it makes sense to license your work with very >> strict conditions. > > So if Trent Reznor would take your tracks to illustrate the next Oliver > Stone Movie and would not trow you a single cent (from the some > 10thousends he gets for it) and would not even mention your name but > claim to be the sole creator of the soundtrack that would be OK then... > If I had a license that allowed him to do it then that's my problem if not then I would certainly follow it up and be excited about the opportunity of getting: a. associated with Trent Reznor b. A big studio payout c. Publicity for my original work d. The chance to talk about it when I'm in the company of people I need to impress... > >> That way you can sue if the money is worth it and keep another industry >> ticking over too. Plus you get all the other benefits like being able to >> say your suing "XXX" for theft of your art work while your rubbing >> shoulders with lesser mortals at the next society event. And if you are >> really lucky the person you are suing will be there too and you can get >> really artistic and have a drunken fight or break something... I mean if >> you are going to have the airs of being and important artist you might >> as well revel in it... Right? > > Not right, for i would not use the corrupt and stupid "copyright" law to > get my claims in the first place but ask the user of my stuff for some > respect personally without a lawyer involved. > That's a good start but in most cases unlikely to get you any money. > There really is something between the established industry-slavery and > total unawareness of authorship. > True, but how many listeners know the difference between a song crafted 100% without any other artists work and a song that had a couple of samples incorporated? For example. How many people would know the name of the Artists Moby sampled for his signature track? He is very open about it and has full permission to use it, he even lists the original artist on his CD. By far the vast majority of people dancing and listening to music have absolutely no idea of the history of music apart from a couple of Beatles tracks and a few of their favorite songs. Getting upset about someone making a remix and not mentioning the original author is pissing in the wind. It happens constantly in the music industry and is never going to stop. Most people don't even care who made the song or where it came from if they can dance, drink or get laid when it's playing. On top of that telling other people on this list who have got the balls to share their work with the community to *effectively* fcuk off until they make something "Original" is an outright insult. Anyone who backs up Ron on that one had better get ready to have a fight, and I use knives so you better be packing!! ;-] BTW I respect Ron and his work but I am not prepared to let that little slight go by. tX is a highly undervalued piece of software and anyone who uses it deserves more encouragement to do whatever the hell they feel like with it. If a member of this list personally doesn't like artwork that is made public here then they are free to criticize it but telling someone to stop doing what they are doing because they are not original is BS. I have yet to meet a DJ who has not got a sample in their collection or has not been heavily influenced by someone else's music to the point of having a couple of tracks that emulate or borrow heavily from the "originator". In fact you can't really call yourself a DJ if you don't have other peoples work in your collection. In fact I have yet to hear any truly original music being released by anyone in this community. Should we all just give up now? -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From dubphil at free.fr Mon Aug 14 06:53:03 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Mon Aug 14 06:53:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Setting loop range in Hydrogen In-Reply-To: <20060811114007.C4BD5278FF14@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060811114007.C4BD5278FF14@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <44E0560F.4040008@free.fr> > does anybody know if it's possible to set a loop range in Hydrogen's > song editor as in in Ardour or MusE? I need this so I can train > particular sections in a complex song. > > Hi Sebastian, I'm a user of hydrogen and I've never see this feature, if it exist, it is very well hidden ;) Regards Philippe From segoh at gmx.net Mon Aug 14 06:54:02 2006 From: segoh at gmx.net (Sebastian Gutsfeld) Date: Mon Aug 14 06:55:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <20060812043845.GA29770@mccormick.cx> (Chris McCormick's message of "Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:38:46 +0800") References: <200608101354.56011.alewis@systemsfusion.com> <1155216286.6952.117.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060810140901.5F0542766ADE@music.columbia.edu> <20060812043845.GA29770@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <20060814105405.A42E3280E985@music.columbia.edu> Hi Chris, Chris McCormick writes: > On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 04:08:57PM +0200, Sebastian Gutsfeld wrote: >> BTW: I really enjoyed reading this Wired article about 8-bit punk: >> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.11/mclaren.html >> Caused me to take out my old Gameboy and C64. What a pity I can't use >> my Transferer for the Gameboy flash cards with linux. > > [plug] > You might be interested in some open source software I wrote for Gameboy > Advance; http://looper.mccormick.cx/ and some other software for > Commodore64 ;) http://mccormick.cx/viewcvs/aSid/ > [/plug] I already got an old aSid version without ringmod linked from www.sciencegirlrecords.com. It's a great (and simple) example how to control the SID with C and led me to cc65. Maybe I find some time to experiment with cc65 so aSid uses cc65's SID structure instead of hardcoded memory addresses. The only thing I still need for my C64 is a pair of paddle controllers. Your looper looks really interesting but sadly I've got no Gameboy Advance but 2 grey classic Gameboys. Anyway thanks a lot for sharing your code! regards, Sebastian From segoh at gmx.net Mon Aug 14 07:23:58 2006 From: segoh at gmx.net (Sebastian Gutsfeld) Date: Mon Aug 14 07:24:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Setting loop range in Hydrogen In-Reply-To: <44E0560F.4040008@free.fr> (dubphil@free.fr's message of "Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:53:03 +0200") References: <20060811114007.C4BD5278FF14@music.columbia.edu> <44E0560F.4040008@free.fr> Message-ID: <20060814112401.D920A280FA1D@music.columbia.edu> Hi Philippe, Dubphil writes: >> does anybody know if it's possible to set a loop range in Hydrogen's >> song editor as in in Ardour or MusE? I need this so I can train >> particular sections in a complex song. >> >> > Hi Sebastian, > > I'm a user of hydrogen and I've never see this feature, if it exist, > it is very well hidden ;) Grrrrr, seems like I have to keep on using jack-synced MusE for setting my loop range :-/ regards, Sebastian From martin.wohlleben at gmx.de Mon Aug 14 07:55:51 2006 From: martin.wohlleben at gmx.de (Martin Wohlleben) Date: Mon Aug 14 07:56:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] auto-track splitting (gramofile replacement) In-Reply-To: <200608131603.55680.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> References: <200608131603.55680.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> Message-ID: <200608141355.51454.martin.wohlleben@gmx.de> Am Montag 14 August 2006 00:03 schrieb Bearcat M. Sandor: > Hello folks, > > I have a number of files that were transcribed from records. One side of > the record equals one wav file. I used to use gramofile to split them up. > Gramofile simply searched for the quiet passages and broke up the tracks, > based on user preferences. > > Gramofile is no-more and my system has advanced to the point where > gramofile is broken and i cannot recompile it. > > Is there another app that does the same thing (or can do it) and is still > active. Command line or gui makes no difference, but i have a preference > for qt/kde, though gtk based is ok. > > Bearcat M. Sandor Hi, I was always unhappy with the results of automatic splitting and split my records mostly manually. May you want to give it a try, too. I'm using a nice and very fast solution called gnowavcut (http://gnowavcut.good-day.net/). It doesn't show any waveform but it starts fast and allows to switch really fast through the soundfile, setting splitpoints, removing to long breakes etc. It also can be startet with the soundfile as parameter (gnowavcut ) and writes the splittet file in the current working directory. I could achieve a good workflow by assigning .wav files to gnowavcut using the file browser to open them. Unfortunately gnowavcut just works for 16bit PCM files. Another one is wavebreaker (http://huli.org/wavbreaker/) it has a wave form view and supports also non 16 bit PCM but it's slower due to the wave form calculation. At wavebreaker it also not possible to open a file direcly at startup and you always have to set an output directory. Finally both solutions are faster than audacity, if you just want to split. regards martin From pcoccoli at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 08:40:24 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Mon Aug 14 08:40:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> Message-ID: <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> On 8/13/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > On Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 10:10:39AM -0400, lanas wrote: > > Folks, > > > > First of all, I always appreciate reading the comments and replies to > > the questions. They are very useful. > > > > Recently there was a thread about a AMD64 setup but there was no > > clear mention of specific mobos that Simply Works. So I'd like to have > > recommendations from folks who actually are running successfully an AMD > > dual-core processor. > > you know that Intel's Core 2 Duo is 64bit, faster than Opteron, and equal in price, right? > > its just that its going to be damn difficult (impossible?) to find an AMD64 mobo that has Intel video onboard, and Intel doesnt make PCIx videocards afaik. > > I'm confused. Is Intel video desirable in any way? From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Mon Aug 14 08:52:46 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Mon Aug 14 08:52:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DE9C02.7040804@boosthardware.com> <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <44DF450A.9060007@boosthardware.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Shirkey schrieb: > That's a big leap to make. I compare it to graphic art like a collage > made up of newspaper clippings THis would be like incorporating smples from movies or radio - this i think, is just material - to reuse this to build something completely new should not be restricted. >> So if Trent Reznor would take your tracks to illustrate the next Oliver >> Stone Movie and would not trow you a single cent (from the some >> 10thousends he gets for it) and would not even mention your name but >> claim to be the sole creator of the soundtrack that would be OK then... >> > > If I had a license that allowed him to do it then that's my problem if > not then I would certainly follow it up and be excited about the > opportunity of getting: > > a. associated with Trent Reznor > b. A big studio payout > c. Publicity for my original work > d. The chance to talk about it when I'm in the company of people I need > to impress... if you would use the licence, that I use for my stuff, you would have this opportunity, if you use the licence, you recommend for everybody you would have the chance to be sued if you claim to have made the track he used (because he does not need to mention you and can easily claim, it is his work) >> Not right, for i would not use the corrupt and stupid "copyright" law to >> get my claims in the first place but ask the user of my stuff for some >> respect personally without a lawyer involved. >> > > That's a good start but in most cases unlikely to get you any money. Maybe so but money is not the preliminary target. >> There really is something between the established industry-slavery and >> total unawareness of authorship. >> > > True, but how many listeners know the difference between a song crafted > 100% without any other artists work and a song that had a couple of > samples incorporated? sad but true - still i do not care so much about what "everybody" may do. > For example. How many people would know the name of the Artists Moby > sampled for his signature track? He is very open about it and has full > permission to use it, he even lists the original artist on his CD. That is most honourable and should be standard at least for commercial Productions. > By far the vast majority of people dancing and listening to music have > absolutely no idea of the history of music apart from a couple of > Beatles tracks and a few of their favorite songs. the vast majority loves Madonna and thinks, Bon Jovi is a Heavy Metal Band - these majority-people are no reference to anything about music/art > > On top of that telling other people on this list who have got the balls > to share their work with the community to *effectively* fcuk off until > they make something "Original" is an outright insult. > Anyone who backs up Ron on that one had better get ready to have a > fight, and I use knives so you better be packing!! ;-] > > BTW I respect Ron and his work but I am not prepared to let that little > slight go by. tX is a highly undervalued piece of software and anyone > who uses it deserves more encouragement to do whatever the hell they > feel like with it. If a member of this list personally doesn't like > artwork that is made public here then they are free to criticize it but > telling someone to stop doing what they are doing because they are not > original is BS. At leas I did never made such statement - i like the stuff you make and it is OK with me, that you use samples from others to do so, still i think that those others should not go unnoticed. > I have yet to meet a DJ who has not got a sample in their collection or > has not been heavily influenced by someone else's music to the point of > having a couple of tracks that emulate or borrow heavily from the > "originator". In fact you can't really call yourself a DJ if you don't > have other peoples work in your collection. I am not a DJ - combining found recordings to new tracks is a method, that is invented in the 1950ies and i think, it is heavily overused today. So i decided only to work with samples, i have recorded myself. or an band with me. I had some samples from apocalypse now in an older track and mp3.com rejected the track - this I found somewhat silly for some Machingunfire and a little speech is no music, but in the end I did not care too much. > In fact I have yet to hear any truly original music being released by > anyone in this community. Should we all just give up now? There are hundreds of tracks made in the community allready, that do not incorporate a single second of any previously published record. DJing is not the only way to make music... > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE4HId1Aecwva1SWMRAjmLAJ9lYVv7rzilRiKrfo1pWSOG1l+d3gCfXAqS U3VfCkaV+hAon9HpJmQGhkE= =X8RN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From steve at hassard.net Mon Aug 14 10:11:33 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Mon Aug 14 10:11:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44E08495.6040602@hassard.net> Paul Coccoli wrote: >> you know that Intel's Core 2 Duo is 64bit, faster than Opteron, and >> equal in price, right? >> >> its just that its going to be damn difficult (impossible?) to find an >> AMD64 mobo that has Intel video onboard, and Intel doesnt make PCIx >> videocards afaik. > I'm confused. Is Intel video desirable in any way? Intel has open-sourced the linux DRI drivers for its integrated video. http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/ Intel now likely have the fastest open source hardware accelerated opengl driver for linux. Unfortunately, you can't get discreet video cards from Intel. The Core 2 Duo is a great CPU too, low powered and fast. Intel provides a great combo if you're looking for a completely open-source platform with decent 3d acceleration. later, Steve From illth at gmx.de Mon Aug 14 10:20:52 2006 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Mon Aug 14 10:21:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44E086C4.4080203@gmx.de> Paul Coccoli wrote: > On 8/13/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: >> On Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 10:10:39AM -0400, lanas wrote: >> > Folks, >> > >> > First of all, I always appreciate reading the comments and >> replies to >> > the questions. They are very useful. >> > >> > Recently there was a thread about a AMD64 setup but there was no >> > clear mention of specific mobos that Simply Works. So I'd like to >> have >> > recommendations from folks who actually are running successfully an >> AMD >> > dual-core processor. >> >> you know that Intel's Core 2 Duo is 64bit, faster than Opteron, and >> equal in price, right? >> >> its just that its going to be damn difficult (impossible?) to find an >> AMD64 mobo that has Intel video onboard, and Intel doesnt make PCIx >> videocards afaik. >> >> > > I'm confused. Is Intel video desirable in any way? Intel video is desirable if one of this conditions is met: a) you need a decent (PCIe) system and need open source drivers b) you only need "light" 3D acceleration (eg. OpenGL screen savers, glX, quake3, etc) and want to save some money. as for open source gfx drivers, there is: 1) fully supported: ATi up to R9250. recent Intel gfx is as least as fast as this chip, but i don't know the stat of the Intel driver for recent Intel gfx. 2) partially supported: ATi up to R9800XT. this one is faster than recent Intel gfx. i don't know about the state of this driver either. those radeons are both AGP only. if you don't care if your drivers are open source or closed source, and want performance, get an nvidia card. > > From rtp405 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 10:30:48 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Mon Aug 14 10:30:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060814143048.11430.qmail@web39714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > BTW I respect Ron and his work but I am not prepared > to let that little > slight go by. tX is a highly undervalued piece of > software and anyone > who uses it deserves more encouragement to do > whatever the hell they > feel like with it. If a member of this list > personally doesn't like > artwork that is made public here then they are free > to criticize it but > telling someone to stop doing what they are doing > because they are not > original is BS. I do not support, want to be associated with or tolerate violating artist rights. I love and live for music and musicians. You have conjured up a set of arguments to justify your actions. Does violating copyrights do the artist a favor by creating revenue and promotional opportunity? No! I've seen this first hand and know the outcome. Experience outweighs assumptions. Your a criminal for personal gain, artistic, social and economic change. A Robin Hood for artists? A problem is that "digital musicians" who violate copyrights as a rule return nothing. As an artist, I will tell you that your assistance in building my career through copyright violations is unwanted. I have laughed about similar strategies, naming my album Evil Inside, in order to create publicity. These strategies are a two minute giggle and that's about it. I converted my commercial studio to Linux in 2001. I have about a dozen start to finish albums done with Ardour, JAMin and LADSPA and several terabytes more in the oven. I've learned alot from Linux users and software developers. I feel a dept of gratitude and have an opportunity to give something back. I'll do my best. I am obsessed with becoming a perfect musician and time is a premium. I need to spend mine on a drum throne at 80bpm for the next couple years (Chinese water torture comes to mind). Thanks for everything. I am unsubscribed. Ron Parker Mirror Image Studio > I have yet to meet a DJ who has not got a sample in > their collection or > has not been heavily influenced by someone else's > music to the point of > having a couple of tracks that emulate or borrow > heavily from the > "originator". In fact you can't really call yourself > a DJ if you don't > have other peoples work in your collection. > > In fact I have yet to hear any truly original music > being released by > anyone in this community. Should we all just give up > now? > > > -- > Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. > Http://www.boosthardware.com > Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users > guide > ======================================== > > "Anything your mind can see you can manifest > physically, then it will > become reality" - Macka B > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Aug 14 10:34:25 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon Aug 14 10:35:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DE9C02.7040804@boosthardware.com> <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <44DF450A.9060007@boosthardware.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> Hartmut Noack wrote: > > if you would use the licence, that I use for my stuff, you would have > this opportunity, if you use the licence, you recommend for everybody > you would have the chance to be sued if you claim to have made the track > he used (because he does not need to mention you and can easily claim, > it is his work) > I don't recommend it for everybody. Just in the case where the artist wants to get a cut of any earnings made from the future use of their work. Anyway, your example doesn't wash. If it was true then the Verve could have sued the label that owns the Rolling Stones sample they used in "Bitter Sweet Symphony". That is completely the opposite of what happened and no precedent has ever been set for the case you outline. >>> Not right, for i would not use the corrupt and stupid "copyright" law to >>> get my claims in the first place but ask the user of my stuff for some >>> respect personally without a lawyer involved. >>> >> That's a good start but in most cases unlikely to get you any money. > > > Maybe so but money is not the preliminary target. > It is if you use a commercial copyright. > > >> By far the vast majority of people dancing and listening to music have >> absolutely no idea of the history of music apart from a couple of >> Beatles tracks and a few of their favorite songs. > > the vast majority loves Madonna and thinks, Bon Jovi is a Heavy Metal > Band - these majority-people are no reference to anything about music/art > Except they are the ones who spend the most money at itunes and make the most requests for crap songs at clubs and just so happen to spend the most money on music in general. >> On top of that telling other people on this list who have got the balls >> to share their work with the community to *effectively* fcuk off until >> they make something "Original" is an outright insult. >> Anyone who backs up Ron on that one had better get ready to have a >> fight, and I use knives so you better be packing!! ;-] >> >> BTW I respect Ron and his work but I am not prepared to let that little >> slight go by. tX is a highly undervalued piece of software and anyone >> who uses it deserves more encouragement to do whatever the hell they >> feel like with it. If a member of this list personally doesn't like >> artwork that is made public here then they are free to criticize it but >> telling someone to stop doing what they are doing because they are not >> original is BS. > > > At leas I did never made such statement - i like the stuff you make and > it is OK with me, that you use samples from others to do so, still i > think that those others should not go unnoticed. > I didn't make the track in question. However I have remixed several tracks which incorporate samples from other peoples work with varying degrees of appreciation from people who have listened. I am not the only one to do it and I defend the freedom I have to do it whether it is deemed illegal in some countries or not. > >> In fact I have yet to hear any truly original music being released by >> anyone in this community. Should we all just give up now? > > There are hundreds of tracks made in the community allready, that do not > incorporate a single second of any previously published record. DJing is > not the only way to make music... > I have yet to hear a truly original piece from this community. Even if it is created with original recordings and samples. Everything I have listened to takes influence from the work of others or attempts to emulate a sound that has already been discovered (occasionally with excellent technical execution). I don't say this lightly as I have been listening to tracks recorded and released by this community for 7 years. Which makes me again question how anyone on this list feels comfortable singling someone out to let them know their work isn't original because it doesn't meet their standard for copyrighted material. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From _ at whats-your.name Mon Aug 14 10:51:46 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Mon Aug 14 10:52:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <44E086C4.4080203@gmx.de> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> <44E086C4.4080203@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20060814145146.GA30406@replic.net> > >I'm confused. Is Intel video desirable in any way? > Intel video is desirable if one of this conditions is met: > > a) you need a decent (PCIe) system and need open source drivers > b) you only need "light" 3D acceleration (eg. OpenGL screen savers, glX, quake3, etc) and want to save some > money. c) you dont mind that drivers are proprietary, but are still annoyed that they wont compile or link correctly into kernel 2.blarg-18-git3 and have no way to resolve the issue since the module is binary. ive got both an ATI and a Nvidia. and its always something. either the Xorg version is newer than the one they built their binary module for. or a symbol changed in the kernel and thus depmod breaks. or your version of DRI doesnt like their version of DRM. its a neverending dance with those binary modules, even before you factor in the 'freeness' of them... now that intel is again the leader in price/performance _and_ open drivers, theres no reason to suffer with AMD solutions.. this goes not just for video, but for everything else. AMD mobos are more likely to be some Nvidia thing where even the ethernet driver was reverse-engineered, or the wireless card isnt Intel so it requires NDISWrapper, etc... From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Mon Aug 14 10:55:27 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Mon Aug 14 10:55:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DE9C02.7040804@boosthardware.com> <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <44DF450A.9060007@boosthardware.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44E08EDF.8040802@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Shirkey schrieb: >> >> Maybe so but money is not the preliminary target. >> > > It is if you use a commercial copyright. > is CC share alike attribution non-commercial THAT commercial? >> There are hundreds of tracks made in the community allready, that do not >> incorporate a single second of any previously published record. DJing is >> not the only way to make music... >> > > I have yet to hear a truly original piece from this community. Even if > it is created with original recordings and samples. Everything I have > listened to takes influence from the work of others or attempts to > emulate a sound that has already been discovered (occasionally with > excellent technical execution). There IS a difference between playing in a style, that has been developed before by others and taking the recordings of others and use them as loops. Even citing someones licks/riffs/harmonies is not an issue - a recording comes straight from the person it has made it, to use it in large chunks is no new interpretation the same as a new recording is. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE4I7f1Aecwva1SWMRAvFiAJ4jkxOKP2TU48nrr2BOZJ3m8WayOQCbBJUi mSuA2bNkgh0jlK2D0geDkmQ= =Xr7Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Aug 14 10:59:00 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon Aug 14 10:59:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <20060814143048.11430.qmail@web39714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060814143048.11430.qmail@web39714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44E08FB4.5060003@boosthardware.com> R Parker wrote: > > --- Patrick Shirkey > wrote: > > >> BTW I respect Ron and his work but I am not prepared >> to let that little >> slight go by. tX is a highly undervalued piece of >> software and anyone >> who uses it deserves more encouragement to do >> whatever the hell they >> feel like with it. If a member of this list >> personally doesn't like >> artwork that is made public here then they are free >> to criticize it but >> telling someone to stop doing what they are doing >> because they are not >> original is BS. > > I do not support, want to be associated with or > tolerate violating artist rights. I love and live for > music and musicians. > But you don't mind criticizing someone for being unoriginal because it goes against your personal opinion of what is right for an artist to call their own work! > You have conjured up a set of arguments to justify > your actions. Does violating copyrights do the artist > a favor by creating revenue and promotional > opportunity? No! I've seen this first hand and know > the outcome. Experience outweighs assumptions. > I too have experienced when others use my work for personal gain and I have found the best way to deal with it is to accept it as an inevitability and attempt to make sure my work is appropriately licensed so I can get something back if it becomes financially viable. Otherwise I will release my work under a copyleft license and be thankful when anyone listens to it and enjoys what they hear. > Your a criminal for personal gain, artistic, social > and economic change. A Robin Hood for artists? How about an antiestablishmentarialist? A Digital rights squatter with enough peyote in my teacup to permanently blow your mind. > A > problem is that "digital musicians" who violate > copyrights as a rule return nothing. > That's your opinion. I happen to enjoy a lot of the music I have heard that violates copyright. Often it is in the form of a mix CD that a friend has given me. > As an artist, I will tell you that your assistance in > building my career through copyright violations is > unwanted. > Yeah right, so if I just happened to play your work in the next big movie and you found out you weren't getting any dosh for it, but your tracks started selling more copies at itunes then you would be really unhappy and pissed off with the world. You would have to let everyone know that the new found attention is totally unjustified and unwarranted and that you are really embarrassed about having your tunes associated with the movie. However, I happen to know this is not the case but instead your music was ripped off in an international business venture that went sour. Unfortunately for you the outcome was that your samples were "Stolen" and used in a professional DAW where you now have to endure the pain of hearing the occasional track with your samples as a basis. Aren't you just slightly pleased and gratified that anyone would want to use your work as the basis for their own? The question could also be asked as to why the company that ripped you off feel it is acceptable to continue to use your samples without further recompense? Surely you had the presence of mind to publicly license your work before you gave them a copy? -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Mon Aug 14 11:13:50 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Mon Aug 14 11:13:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E08FB4.5060003@boosthardware.com> References: <20060814143048.11430.qmail@web39714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44E08FB4.5060003@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44E0932E.1090504@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Shirkey schrieb: > R Parker wrote: >> >> --- Patrick Shirkey >> wrote: > > Yeah right, so if I just happened to play your work in the next big > movie and you found out you weren't getting any dosh for it, but your > tracks started selling more copies at itunes then ... somewhat you increase my doubt about my skills in writing English - the case you describe here can only happen, if the author of the used track is mentioned - why should the iTunes-sales increase for the original author if someone remixes his work for a movie *whithout* mentioning his name ?? And of course: if some David Lynch / Jim Jarmush etc type of director would ask me, if i would give him/her my tracks for a movie just for the glory i would not think twice. Everybody would ask "What dude made this sickening strange music at about 10 minutes before the ending? Where do i get more of that..." That would be a hell of a royality and very well acceptable.... ;-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE4JMu1Aecwva1SWMRAod6AKCK/XTkuHc9tJo8mTpibDqgxBtPWgCfZOGV 2IlhthSKFgscJRyuyZln6gM= =6DNd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From steve at hassard.net Mon Aug 14 11:49:29 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Mon Aug 14 11:49:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <44E086C4.4080203@gmx.de> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> <44E086C4.4080203@gmx.de> Message-ID: <44E09B89.7010500@hassard.net> Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > 2) partially supported: ATi up to R9800XT. this one is faster than > recent Intel gfx. i don't know about the state of this driver either. > those radeons are both AGP only. I've managed to get managed DRI acceleration on my ATI X800XL PCI-Express. These are supported by the most recent Xorg and kernel. I've had success with Xorg 7.0 (using EXA) and the newest 2.6.18-rc4 kernel. Mind you, performance is still quite pathetic, getting a tiny fraction of what you might expect out of a fancy fairly recent card. 2D speed is quite fast, but not as good as the closed source nvidia drivers. It will be nice to seed how the Xorg radeon driver matures for the X800 cards. later, Steve From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Mon Aug 14 12:24:37 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Mon Aug 14 12:24:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Track In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0608132010m25c8e867j51d70b9924db5d73@mail.gmail.com> References: <1155207317.6952.106.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <5bdc1c8b0608132010m25c8e867j51d70b9924db5d73@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1155572677.6952.141.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Many thanks to all you guys. I've installed JAMin and will proceed to recut the track. Mucho helpful hints and pointers -- this list is a real community, and the feedback I've recieved has been much better than I thought it'd be. The next track (due out in n days) will be more of a face hugger. God Bless Jonty On Sun, 2006-08-13 at 20:10 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 8/10/06, Jonty Needham wrote: > > Dear All > > > > This kind of uses some uncleared samples -- the vocals, which > > belong to the lovely Misty Edwards. Drums > > are one loop, ("It's a new day" at the start) then all the rest > > is hydrogen. Sequenced in > > Rosegarden, mastered (preliminarily) in Audacity, recorded in > > Ardour, and > > all instruments are Zynaddsubfx and the piano is qsynth. Let me > > know what > > you think. > > > > At http://www.cs.bath.ac.uk/~jmn20/Noah_final.ogg > > > > God bless > > Jonty > > -- > > Jonty Needham > > > > > > Hi Jonty, > Good stuff. I like the energy all the way through. Like others I > came to not like the piano mouch. It was fine at the start but after a > while I felt it needed to maybe morph around a bit - run some filters > across frequency, panning - something. > > Anyway, I like the work. Misty Edwards does have a nice voice. > > Cheers, > Mark -- Jonty Needham From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Aug 14 12:52:13 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon Aug 14 12:52:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E0932E.1090504@linuxuse.de> References: <20060814143048.11430.qmail@web39714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44E08FB4.5060003@boosthardware.com> <44E0932E.1090504@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <44E0AA3D.5020308@boosthardware.com> Hartmut Noack wrote: > why should the iTunes-sales increase for the > original author if someone remixes his work for a movie *whithout* > mentioning his name ?? > In this hypothetical situation (there aren't many movies that use unlicensed music) people who liked the track would find it on their own and you could help them by jumping up and down a bit with a lawsuit or well timed press release... > And of course: if some David Lynch / Jim Jarmush etc type of director > would ask me, if i would give him/her my tracks for a movie just for the > glory i would not think twice. Everybody would ask "What dude made this > sickening strange music at about 10 minutes before the ending? Where do > i get more of that..." > That would be a hell of a royality and very well acceptable.... ;-) > Which is where it comes down to licensing your work in a way that ensures you will get recognition for it if it is used by someone else and if you don't get recognition then you have the option to sue for it if it's financially viable or otherwise justifiable. The music industry is cut throat, twisted and down right dirty. The days of being able to stop people from illegally copying recorded material are long gone. Combine both of those points and the only way to stop your work from being reproduced without permission is to not release it. Then we go back to the kindof musicianship that Ron is most interested in. Real people playing live instruments. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From prg at ichthyostega.de Mon Aug 14 21:32:40 2006 From: prg at ichthyostega.de (Ichthyostega) Date: Mon Aug 14 21:32:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fragile! In-Reply-To: <200608111146.36186.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060729223859.4e3ca8a0@localhost> <1154391130.936.4.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <200608111146.36186.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <44E12438.10208@ichthyostega.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > On Tuesday 01 August 2006 01:12, Florin Andrei was like: >> On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 22:38 +0100, Folderol wrote: >>> Is it just me... something about Demudi or? >>> >>> Gnome seems to be incredibly fragile. Almost any configuration change >>> is liable to make it roll over and wave it's legs in the air :( >> Must be Demudi. I've been using Gnome with Fedora (and packages from >> PlanetCCRMA and Livna that pretty much cover all bases in terms of music >> and sound) for a long time and I've had no stability issues. > tim hall schrieb: > I have not noticed any stability issues myself and I'm using Debian etch + > DeMuDi and a hand-rolled kernel. I confess that I only use GNOME > occasionally. Florin, are you running 64bit hardware? There seems to be a issue in one of the accessability libs which causes Gnome 2.13 and above to Segfault irregularily, often just afer opening e.g. the Help browser.... Hermann -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE4SQ4ZbZrB6HelLIRAuFSAJ48uaI/skslNaqw530N6fMkGrWs2QCcCDYo 0R0ZX/NKQNsInujRxVKSCwY= =f/i+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ryan at ryanheise.com Mon Aug 14 23:55:17 2006 From: ryan at ryanheise.com (Ryan Heise) Date: Mon Aug 14 23:55:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com>; from pshirkey@boosthardware.com on Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 09:34:25PM +0700 References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DE9C02.7040804@boosthardware.com> <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <44DF450A.9060007@boosthardware.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060815135517.C11970@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 09:34:25PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > I didn't make the track in question. However I have remixed several > tracks which incorporate samples from other peoples work with varying > degrees of appreciation from people who have listened. I am not the only > one to do it and I defend the freedom I have to do it whether it is > deemed illegal in some countries or not. On the surface, this seems like a good argument. I scratched my head for a while trying to figure out what was wrong with it, because something seemed wrong. Finally I came up with this: It does not follow that since you appreciate/enjoy something, that you ought to have the "freedom" or "right" to do it, because sometimes things that you appreciate/enjoy doing can impact negatively on other people. When this happens, the law often steps in to protect the other people. Here is a story about such a situation: http://langintro.com/kintro/whycc.htm -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/ From chris at mccormick.cx Tue Aug 15 00:35:44 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Tue Aug 15 00:37:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <20060814105405.A42E3280E985@music.columbia.edu> References: <200608101354.56011.alewis@systemsfusion.com> <1155216286.6952.117.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060810140901.5F0542766ADE@music.columbia.edu> <20060812043845.GA29770@mccormick.cx> <20060814105405.A42E3280E985@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060815043544.GB2503@mccormick.cx> On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 12:54:02PM +0200, Sebastian Gutsfeld wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Chris McCormick writes: > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 04:08:57PM +0200, Sebastian Gutsfeld wrote: > >> BTW: I really enjoyed reading this Wired article about 8-bit punk: > >> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.11/mclaren.html > >> Caused me to take out my old Gameboy and C64. What a pity I can't use > >> my Transferer for the Gameboy flash cards with linux. > > > > [plug] > > You might be interested in some open source software I wrote for Gameboy > > Advance; http://looper.mccormick.cx/ and some other software for > > Commodore64 ;) http://mccormick.cx/viewcvs/aSid/ > > [/plug] > > I already got an old aSid version without ringmod linked from > www.sciencegirlrecords.com. It's a great (and simple) example how to > control the SID with C and led me to cc65. Maybe I find some time to > experiment with cc65 so aSid uses cc65's SID structure instead of > hardcoded memory addresses. The only thing I still need for my C64 is a > pair of paddle controllers. Oh you really have to get some paddles and hook up your c64 to a big amp. There is truly no sound like a c64 filter sweep coming from a bass amp. > Anyway thanks a lot for sharing your code! My pleasure. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From alewis at systemsfusion.com Tue Aug 15 04:06:43 2006 From: alewis at systemsfusion.com (Andrew Lewis) Date: Tue Aug 15 04:07:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible Message-ID: <1155629203.6633.2.camel@localhost> Hi all, So, erm, I've been keeping quiet since I didn't want to cause issues with people but I see the flamewar has ensued without me... :) So just a brief word on some issues mentioned: Yes, disregard for copyright is bad... It's far from the worst thing in the world though. :p And from a cause/effect perspective the impact of posting that remix could only be: A) people hate the artists now cz they associate them w that crap i made B) people become interested in those artists = good? C) people hear the track without knowing who the original artists are Really I don't see anything worse than (A) or (C) happening as a result of this. Maybe I'm missing something? This track was never intended for wide distribution in any case... Just some throw-away stuff.... :| I'm not trying to make a career out of this... :p I think it's upsetting that some-one like Ron would want to leave the list over one or two subscribers flagrant attitudes toward copyright... For his peace of mind, I have removed the material... WRT remixes as a form of musical expression, yes it's crummy, no it's not completely invalid, and no, it doesn't have to suck either.... > A problem is that "digital musicians" who violate copyrights as a rule > return nothing. That seems a very strange assumption to make: http://shitmat.adverse-camber.net/mp3/mixes/shitmat-redzeroradiomix.mp3 --- Enough of this banter --- --- And now for a completely different type of banter --- I still haven't managed to get GDAM (cvs version) to work (in terms of making sound when I play the turntables). Last release doesn't build, which seems to have been the case in Gentoo-land for a while. :\ Bit put off by the stagnancy of this project... Still investigating some other toys... Is anyone here using a sampler in Rosegarden? I've had issues getting it to talk to Chionic.... :( Not having a usable sampler has been my only gripe with Rosegarden... LMMS works, is rather nice, and is getting better, but I'm not ready to use it just yet... ;) PureData looks very interesting, if a bit complex: I'd like to investigate it thoroughly, dunno how much of an obstacle my n00bish'ness will be - I've just had to look up how to identify my ALSA MIDI devices (now hopefully I can actually make ALSA MIDI work this afternoon :p) - been using JACK MIDI until now, which is terribly easy. I don't really need anything terribly complex. on Windoze I was using SoundClub: http://www.bluemoon.ee/history/scwin/ which is super-simplistic slightly limited freeware, with some good results: http://subversion.za.org/binky/secret/ (all songs except 'notalldogs' made with SoundClub). Next post will be mind-blowing actual original linux music, promise. :p Best, Andrew From cezar at mixandgo.ro Tue Aug 15 04:17:38 2006 From: cezar at mixandgo.ro (Cezar) Date: Tue Aug 15 04:17:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] performance with AMD64 Message-ID: <87irkuza3h.fsf@mixandgo.ro> Hello, I am using Ubuntu Dapper on an amd64 athlon +3400 (laptop) with 2.6.15-26-amd64-generic SMP PREEMPT kernel. My audio interface is a RMC Multiface II / Cardbus. I've manually compile alsa 1.0.12rc2. I think the audio performance is way wrong : with jackd -R -dalsa -r48000 -p128 -n2 -D -Chw:1,0 nothing else, I get 1.2% - 1.9% CPU usage if I don't do anything. When I load zynaddsubfx it goes to 13%, again without touching the midi keybooard. By holding C major chord with the default sound zynaddsubfx starts, I get a CPU usage of 20%. with jackd -R -dalsa -r48000 -p256 -n2 -D -Chw:1,0 nothing else, I get 0.65% - 0.96% CPU usage if I don't do anything. When I load zynaddsubfx it goes to 7.2% - 8%, again without touching the midi keybooard. By holding C major chord with the default sound zynaddsubfx starts, I get a CPU usage of 11%. Could anyone please test something similar to my setup and post here ? I don't think this is normal. Thanks ! From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Aug 15 04:30:27 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue Aug 15 04:31:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <20060815135517.C11970@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DE9C02.7040804@boosthardware.com> <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <44DF450A.9060007@boosthardware.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> <20060815135517.C11970@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> Message-ID: <44E18623.4070900@boosthardware.com> Ryan Heise wrote: > On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 09:34:25PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> I didn't make the track in question. However I have remixed several >> tracks which incorporate samples from other peoples work with varying >> degrees of appreciation from people who have listened. I am not the only >> one to do it and I defend the freedom I have to do it whether it is >> deemed illegal in some countries or not. > > On the surface, this seems like a good argument. I scratched my head for > a while trying to figure out what was wrong with it, because something > seemed wrong. Finally I came up with this: > > It does not follow that since you appreciate/enjoy something, that you > ought to have the "freedom" or "right" to do it, because sometimes > things that you appreciate/enjoy doing can impact negatively on other > people. When this happens, the law often steps in to protect the other > people. > My heart bleeds... We are talking about music as art not terrorism. It's definitely in the realm of artistic credibility to go against the norm or break the law to make a statement or create your personal masterpiece. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Aug 15 04:38:48 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue Aug 15 04:39:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <1155629203.6633.2.camel@localhost> References: <1155629203.6633.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <44E18818.6080000@boosthardware.com> Andrew Lewis wrote: > > I think it's upsetting that some-one like Ron would want to leave the > list over one or two subscribers flagrant attitudes toward copyright... > For his peace of mind, I have removed the material... > He has threatened it before. Thankfully for the rest of us he has stuck around... Otherwise we wouldn't have the chance to get all excited about minor details like "what is original music". I never go to hear that track because you removed it before I got a chance to download it. If you can be bothered sending it to me I would love to hear what you got up to with tX... Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Aug 15 06:08:10 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue Aug 15 06:08:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E18818.6080000@boosthardware.com> References: <1155629203.6633.2.camel@localhost> <44E18818.6080000@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44E19D0A.4010103@boosthardware.com> Hi Andrew, After listening to both tracks I can safely say no one has done that before with those samples. Hence it is an original artwork in my book. Personally I preferred the second track after about 90 seconds had passed. The first 90 seconds are really irritating as the chipmunks have no opposition and completely dominate the soundscape. I think you had better control of the speeds and pitches for the second track and the way you teased out the noises in the downtempo parts was very pleasant to my ear. I especially liked the FX that you pulled out in the last minute. Thanks for sharing your live remix done exclusively with terminatorX. I hope you inspire others to check out that fine program and look forward to hearing more from you. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Tue Aug 15 06:22:54 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Tue Aug 15 06:23:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <200608151122.54415.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Monday 31 July 2006 20:58, Johannes Mario Ringheim was like: > New tune made with GNU/Linux ready for download: > http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org/index_en.html#kanskjeno > > I used lots of stuff on this one, AMS, Seq24, Ardour, Hydrogen and lots > of LADSPA plugins. > > Comments are welcome... Nice. :) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From julien at c-lab.de Tue Aug 15 09:31:00 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue Aug 15 09:31:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT]: Travel to Berlin! Message-ID: Hi! In the next week or so I'm travelling to Berlin. I was wondering if any of you had a recommedation where I could stay. A cheap nice youth hostel would be very fine or something. Kindest regards and thanks for any good hints! Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From ryan at ryanheise.com Tue Aug 15 11:38:07 2006 From: ryan at ryanheise.com (Ryan Heise) Date: Tue Aug 15 11:38:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E18623.4070900@boosthardware.com>; from pshirkey@boosthardware.com on Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 03:30:27PM +0700 References: <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <44DF450A.9060007@boosthardware.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> <20060815135517.C11970@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E18623.4070900@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 03:30:27PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Ryan Heise wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 09:34:25PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >> I didn't make the track in question. However I have remixed several > >> tracks which incorporate samples from other peoples work with varying > >> degrees of appreciation from people who have listened. I am not the only > >> one to do it and I defend the freedom I have to do it whether it is > >> deemed illegal in some countries or not. > > > > On the surface, this seems like a good argument. I scratched my head for > > a while trying to figure out what was wrong with it, because something > > seemed wrong. Finally I came up with this: > > > > It does not follow that since you appreciate/enjoy something, that you > > ought to have the "freedom" or "right" to do it, because sometimes > > things that you appreciate/enjoy doing can impact negatively on other > > people. When this happens, the law often steps in to protect the other > > people. > > > > My heart bleeds... Hmm :-( > We are talking about music as art not terrorism. Here you are implying that my point was about terrorism. It wasn't at all. The example I gave (which you removed from your quote) was about someone taking someone else's work and changing it to make it look like the original author supported a certain view that he did not. What is the harm in asking the original author first before using their work in a certain way? It is actually quite a thoughtful and respectful thing to do. > It's definitely in the realm of artistic credibility to go against the > norm or break the law to make a statement or create your personal > masterpiece. Again, what is the harm in asking someone if you can use a bit of their song in a certain context before actually doing it? The law you are talking about "breaking" is essentially suggesting to you that you ought to follow a not-so-radical idea called "respect". To save writing it in another email, I'll also state here that I support the view that music produced by mixing bits of other people's songs together is a valid art form, and such music typically contains interesting sounds and harmonies that are not present individually in the original songs. But there is a thoughtful and respectful way to produce such music that involves talking to the original artists first. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/ From perodog at gmx.net Tue Aug 15 13:06:59 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Tue Aug 15 13:06:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT]: Travel to Berlin! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44E1FF33.6090203@gmx.net> hi ju, you can perhaps stay at the laster+haenger burg, that is a trailerpark here in berlin i am living at! so, there is nothing to pay for the place for living, but you should say the time you will be here, so i can make a reservation in a guest-trailer for you. cheers, doc Julien Claassen wrote: > Hi! > In the next week or so I'm travelling to Berlin. I was wondering if any of > you had a recommedation where I could stay. A cheap nice youth hostel would be > very fine or something. > Kindest regards and thanks for any good hints! > Julien > > -------- > Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) > > ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== > http://ltsb.sourceforge.net > the Linux TextBased Studio guide > ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= > http://www.juliencoder.de > > > From baldomurx at yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 15 16:48:37 2006 From: baldomurx at yahoo.co.uk (baldomurx) Date: Tue Aug 15 16:49:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA Driver for ESI Julia Pro SC, is there an ETA on these? Message-ID: <5821717.post@talk.nabble.com> Does anyone know if there is an ETA on drivers for this card? I have the above SC and have patiently been waiting to use it in my Linux DAW for the best part of a year now. Since there are no drivers for it I have had to take it out and resort to my old AP 2496. The ALSA site says that drivers are being written and I understand that they are almost there. Many thanks. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/ALSA-Driver-for-ESI-Julia-Pro-SC%2C-is-there-an-ETA-on-these--tf2111427.html#a5821717 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Aug 15 16:58:41 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Aug 15 16:58:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA Driver for ESI Julia Pro SC, is there an ETA on these? In-Reply-To: <5821717.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <5821717.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1155675521.19474.134.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 13:48 -0700, baldomurx wrote: > Does anyone know if there is an ETA on drivers for this card? > > I have the above SC and have patiently been waiting to use it in my Linux > DAW for the best part of a year now. Since there are no drivers for it I > have had to take it out and resort to my old AP 2496. > > The ALSA site says that drivers are being written and I understand that they > are almost there. > > Many thanks. > I think you asked this question on another list, and I responded: See ./alsa-kernel/pci/ice1712/juli.c: /* * ALSA driver for ICEnsemble VT1724 (Envy24HT) * * Lowlevel functions for ESI Juli@ cards * * Copyright (c) 2004 Jaroslav Kysela * [...] Are you sure this card is not supported? If non, did you ever file a bug report about it? Lee From ljc at internet.com.uy Tue Aug 15 19:13:48 2006 From: ljc at internet.com.uy (luis jure) Date: Tue Aug 15 19:23:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DE9C02.7040804@boosthardware.com> <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <44DF450A.9060007@boosthardware.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060815201348.41d9130b@acme.acmenet> El Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:13:44 +0700 Patrick Shirkey escribi?: > By far the vast majority of people dancing and listening to music > have absolutely no idea of the history of music apart from a couple > of Beatles tracks and a few of their favorite songs. most fans of the beatles have no idea who chuck berry was, and think that please "mr postman" and "you really got a hold on me" are beatles songs. typical beatles songs, in fact. sorry, i don't think this has much to do with the topic of the thread, whatever it might be (i haven't been following it too closely). From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Aug 15 23:20:08 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue Aug 15 23:20:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <20060815201348.41d9130b@acme.acmenet> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DE9C02.7040804@boosthardware.com> <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <44DF450A.9060007@boosthardware.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <20060815201348.41d9130b@acme.acmenet> Message-ID: <44E28EE8.5060308@boosthardware.com> luis jure wrote: > El Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:13:44 +0700 > Patrick Shirkey escribi?: > > >> By far the vast majority of people dancing and listening to music >> have absolutely no idea of the history of music apart from a couple >> of Beatles tracks and a few of their favorite songs. > > most fans of the beatles have no idea who chuck berry was, and think > that please "mr postman" and "you really got a hold on me" are beatles > songs. typical beatles songs, in fact. > > sorry, i don't think this has much to do with the topic of the thread, > whatever it might be (i haven't been following it too closely). > You just backed up my point that most people have no idea you the original author of a song is. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Aug 15 23:24:04 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue Aug 15 23:24:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> References: <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <44DF450A.9060007@boosthardware.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> <20060815135517.C11970@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E18623.4070900@boosthardware.com> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> Message-ID: <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> Ryan Heise wrote: > On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 03:30:27PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> Ryan Heise wrote: >>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 09:34:25PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >>>> I didn't make the track in question. However I have remixed several >>>> tracks which incorporate samples from other peoples work with varying >>>> degrees of appreciation from people who have listened. I am not the only >>>> one to do it and I defend the freedom I have to do it whether it is >>>> deemed illegal in some countries or not. >>> On the surface, this seems like a good argument. I scratched my head for >>> a while trying to figure out what was wrong with it, because something >>> seemed wrong. Finally I came up with this: >>> >>> It does not follow that since you appreciate/enjoy something, that you >>> ought to have the "freedom" or "right" to do it, because sometimes >>> things that you appreciate/enjoy doing can impact negatively on other >>> people. When this happens, the law often steps in to protect the other >>> people. >>> >> My heart bleeds... > > Hmm :-( > >> We are talking about music as art not terrorism. > > Here you are implying that my point was about terrorism. It wasn't at > all. > > The example I gave (which you removed from your quote) was about someone > taking someone else's work and changing it to make it look like the > original author supported a certain view that he did not. > I didn't bother to look at the link. Now that you paraphrase it I still don't see what your point is. Are you suggesting that propaganda is illegal and therefore everyone should stop making it? > > What is the harm in asking the original author first before using their > work in a certain way? It is actually quite a thoughtful and respectful > thing to do. > Maybe in your world we all get respect as artists and everyone has the time to contact a major label to get permission to use a 5 second sample in a remix they are making for a demo or to share with a few friends. If that is the case then what planet are you from? It nice to have you on the list... -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From hardbop200 at gmail.com Wed Aug 16 00:06:16 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Wed Aug 16 00:06:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> References: <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> <20060815135517.C11970@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E18623.4070900@boosthardware.com> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: On 8/15/06, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Maybe in your world we all get respect as artists and everyone has the > time to contact a major label to get permission to use a 5 second sample > in a remix they are making for a demo or to share with a few friends. This argument doesn't seem to make sense. So what you are saying is: 1)Because the original owner is not conveniently accessible to you, the rules do not apply. Therefore, any rule/law that is inconvenient does not apply. 2)Because the use is personal (shared among friends), rules do not apply. 3)Those who do see the value in a shared standard of rules/laws are from another world. This is situational ethics. Changing the rules in the middle of the game, no matter how much the rules suck, is morally wrong. If you disagree with the rules, don't play the game, or work to change them. Or did I misunderstand this line of thinking? -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Wed Aug 16 00:21:24 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Wed Aug 16 00:22:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: References: <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> <20060815135517.C11970@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E18623.4070900@boosthardware.com> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> Josh Lawrence wrote: > On 8/15/06, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> Maybe in your world we all get respect as artists and everyone has the >> time to contact a major label to get permission to use a 5 second sample >> in a remix they are making for a demo or to share with a few friends. > > This argument doesn't seem to make sense. So what you are saying is: > > 1)Because the original owner is not conveniently accessible to you, > the rules do not apply. Therefore, any rule/law that is inconvenient > does not apply. In the context of music as art I would say yes. > 2)Because the use is personal (shared among friends), rules do not apply. Try to stop the unwashed masses from sharing songs illegally. A pragmatic approach says it is currently impossible without draconian measures in place to monitor all forms of digital data transfer. If you want to help big brother out keep going down that road... > 3)Those who do see the value in a shared standard of rules/laws are > from another world. > Beep, Wrong. If you live in a world where all artists get respect and have time (or even resources) to get permission to use samples of licensed work for every little remix they do then you must be in a different world. > This is situational ethics. Changing the rules in the middle of the > game, no matter how much the rules suck, is morally wrong. If you > disagree with the rules, don't play the game, or work to change them. > > Or did I misunderstand this line of thinking? > So, if I have no morals or don't subscribe to the same set of standards that you do does it mean I am a lesser artist than someone who does? Lesser person maybe but what has it got to do with art? If I actively work against the rules does that constitute working towards change? -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From ryan at ryanheise.com Wed Aug 16 01:44:36 2006 From: ryan at ryanheise.com (Ryan Heise) Date: Wed Aug 16 01:44:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com>; from pshirkey@boosthardware.com on Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 11:21:24AM +0700 References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> <20060815135517.C11970@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E18623.4070900@boosthardware.com> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 11:21:24AM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > So, if I have no morals or don't subscribe to the same set of standards > that you do does it mean I am a lesser artist than someone who does? > > Lesser person maybe but what has it got to do with art? You finally discovered my point. That it is art, that it can be appreciated and enjoyed, was not in question by me. It *is* art. A literary work can also be written by mixing together pieces of other literary works, and the result is still a literary work. What I, and others, have tried to point out, however, is that even though valid art can be produced in this way, it is just not nice to take from others without asking first, because they ought to be consulted in how their name is represented in association with that work. In other words, yes, my point is about being a better person, or a better "citizen", not about questioning what is art, or what is enjoyment. Art and enjoyment can exist in anything. For example, hurting, or disrespecting other people can be done with enjoyment, and it can even be done artistically. My point, however, is about respect and the law, not art, so whatever you might say about what "is" or "isn't" art has missed my point. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/ From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Wed Aug 16 02:08:16 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Wed Aug 16 02:09:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> <20060815135517.C11970@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E18623.4070900@boosthardware.com> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> Message-ID: <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> Ryan Heise wrote: > On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 11:21:24AM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> So, if I have no morals or don't subscribe to the same set of standards >> that you do does it mean I am a lesser artist than someone who does? >> >> Lesser person maybe but what has it got to do with art? > > You finally discovered my point. > Your point is a misnomer. Is an artist supposed to care what everyone thinks of their personality? > That it is art, that it can be appreciated and enjoyed, was not in > question by me. It *is* art. > > A literary work can also be written by mixing together pieces of other > literary works, and the result is still a literary work.> > What I, and others, have tried to point out, however, is that even > though valid art can be produced in this way, it is just not nice to > take from others without asking first, because they ought to be > consulted in how their name is represented in association with that > work. > Hence, My heart bleeds. Cue sound of violins playing sad music and images of small children with tears in their eyes. > In other words, yes, my point is about being a better person, or a > better "citizen", not about questioning what is art, or what is > enjoyment. Art and enjoyment can exist in anything. For example, > hurting, or disrespecting other people can be done with enjoyment, and > it can even be done artistically. My point, however, is about respect > and the law, not art, so whatever you might say about what "is" or > "isn't" art has missed my point. > Your point is more dangerous than mine. If everyone based their work on not hurting others feelings or potentially causing offense there would be a whole chasm of artwork that is not created and we would be worse off for it. If you license your art in a way that ensures you have means to extract residual income from people who abuse your license then you have laid the groundwork to protect your work from abuse by others. However demanding the artists of the world all play fair and respect each other is a pipe dream. Demanding that people stop remixing music with unlicensed samples is following a path that leads to everyone doing exactly what they are told. I'm sure the powers that be would love this to happen. Expecting every artist to get permission before they create their art is just plain idiocy. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From gateswideopen at gmail.com Wed Aug 16 02:42:07 2006 From: gateswideopen at gmail.com (we are) Date: Wed Aug 16 02:42:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME multiface gain, matrix and/or asoundrc and an array of confusion. In-Reply-To: <200608120833.07327.tito@rumford.de> References: <5969dc560608112149o42ea867al84ad68561a237cee@mail.gmail.com> <200608120833.07327.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <5969dc560608152342n3d9de87bncce6ed0ac8b2a1a9@mail.gmail.com> could someone tell me what this line should look like? > ie > amixer -c 1 cset name=Chn,index=1 32768 > > amixer: Cannot find the given element from control hw:1 is there a way to boost gain on the multiface analog inputs? cheers On 8/12/06, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > Saturday 12 August 2006 06:49, we are: > > hey there crew. > > > > just wondering if there is someone out there that could enlighten me > > to the ways of the RME multiface. > > > > i have been using it for a few months now. i thought that these > > question would arrive in time, alas, i am still confused. > > > > for starters, i have been using peter todd artical in linux journal. > > some of this is useful but other bits simply don't help at all. > > my main problem is the gain settings. i can't seem to have consistant > > gain for different applications. my input gain is really realy low for > > the line (analog) inputs and i can't seem to find a way to boost them. > > when i record in ardour, the waveform is really small and i end up > > having to normalize every clip/track to get a decent volume. this is > > the same issue with PD. when i try to boost the gain on using the > > command as written by peter todd i get errors. > > > > ie > > amixer -c 1 cset name=Chn,index=1 32768 > > > > amixer: Cannot find the given element from control hw:1 > > I wonder how "... name=Chn ..." is supposed to work anyway. Well, it doesn't, > obviously, and that gets you minimum gain. If you're not constrained to the > console you could use hdspmixer (and hsdpconf, both in alsa-tools-gui) to do > all this. 10 minutes to read the multiface manual section on the mixer is a > good investment. Same behaviour be it Windows or Linux. > > > > > the other issue is that when i use media players like audacious, xmms, > > mplayer etc. the output gain is a huge amount louder than PD and > > Ardour and other such audio apps. this is really confusing. > > > > as for routing the I/O's for live audio usage. i can't seem to workout > > a simple and effective way to route the sound for performance. ideally > > i would like to be able to have pd own the card. at the moment all > > the inputs are directed routed and mixed to the subsequent output ie > > analog in 1 goes to analog out 1, ananlog in 2 goes to analog out 2. > > > > what would be great is a matrix like the one in windoes...... > > > > > > any help would be awesome. > > > > thanks > > as always. > > > > tom > From noven at sincorp.org Wed Aug 16 03:22:09 2006 From: noven at sincorp.org (Novensiles divi Flamen) Date: Wed Aug 16 03:23:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <200608161422.20785.noven@sincorp.org> I've been following this debate with a modicum of interest. I'm sorry I didn't download the track earlier, the link is now dead. I didn't read it closely enough at first as I was in Bangkok airport... You used Dev/Null - awesome! I know he'd be stoked you used and distributed it, and we'd both love to actually hear the mix. Andrew, please contact me off-list with a link. As to the actual debate about copyright, I feel certain people are missing the point of DJ's. DJ's play *other peoples* music. That is their primary function. *Some* DJ's are also producers, and mix in their own work with a set, but that is neither the norm nor their mainstay. People who play totally orignal music are known as *artists* and typically have a clear delineation from DJ's. I've been known to use some of my own beats in a set, but I guarantee that without playing other peoples music I wouldn't get any gigs. Likewise if I was merely a Jukebox who played the full song as the artist released I would quickly be replaced by XMMS + crossover plugin. Mixing it up varies from simple crossovers and beat mixing to sampling to overlays... the extent of the mix is only relevant to the moment. It is all valid. Considering Andrew used a DJ mixing program, {openly} played other peoples music and did it all live, I think that places him {at least for this track} firmly in the DJ camp. Ah! But he didn't just play it live in a club or on radio, he put it online. That is a rather normal thing to do. We used to regularly record our live sets and stick them online after a show. I would send artists emails pointing them to it, because I figured they'd like to hear it. Of all the artists who responded I never once got a reply questioning my right to do this. True, I was never really into playing major label artists, but the point is that the artists understood this was an essential part of the game and welcomed the exposure. Often it was a good way to get sent free and pre-release CD's. Applying the minutae of copyright law to small-time DJ's is inappropriate and counter to industry norms. Once you start *selling* a mixed CD you enter a whole new arena, but we're not seeing that in this case. DJ's mixing and mashing is a vibrant, fun and important part of the audio eco-system. Distributing your mixes is known as 'sharing' or possibly 'marketing' - not 'stealing' or 'copyright infringement'. I say go for it! - Noven -- -- Novensiles divi Flamen >-- Miles Militis Fons --< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060816/7cb408bc/attachment.bin From v2 at iki.fi Wed Aug 16 04:06:27 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Wed Aug 16 04:06:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME multiface gain, matrix and/or asoundrc and an array of confusion. Message-ID: <1155715587.44e2d2038c46a@www3.helsinki.fi> Quoting we are : > is there a way to boost gain on the multiface analog inputs? If you have the original multiface, see page 78 on the manual: http://www.rme-audio.com/english/download/mface_e.pdf You need to open up the box and switch some jumpers to change the analog gain. If you have the new multiface II, you only need to use the switches in the front panel. Sampo From ryan at ryanheise.com Wed Aug 16 04:16:17 2006 From: ryan at ryanheise.com (Ryan Heise) Date: Wed Aug 16 04:16:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com>; from pshirkey@boosthardware.com on Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 01:08:16PM +0700 References: <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> <20060815135517.C11970@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E18623.4070900@boosthardware.com> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060816181617.A12002@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 01:08:16PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Ryan Heise wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 11:21:24AM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >> So, if I have no morals or don't subscribe to the same set of standards > >> that you do does it mean I am a lesser artist than someone who does? > >> > >> Lesser person maybe but what has it got to do with art? > > > > You finally discovered my point. > > > > Your point is a misnomer. I made a point about copy rights, not about art. It is still a point, and I would love to see a friendly exposition of the issues surrounding it. But... since you're not being friendly (if you don't know what I mean, I could post a huge list of aggravating things which you've said), it's my personal decision to step out of this thread. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/ From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Wed Aug 16 04:51:13 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Wed Aug 16 04:52:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> <20060815135517.C11970@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E18623.4070900@boosthardware.com> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44E2DC81.8030106@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Shirkey schrieb: > > However demanding the artists of the world all play fair and respect > each other is a pipe dream. > So if the there is probability, that single persons act uncivilized, the whole civilisation is a naive dream? > Demanding that people stop remixing music with unlicensed samples is > following a path that leads to everyone doing exactly what they are > told. I'm sure the powers that be would love this to happen. > > Expecting every artist to get permission before they create their art is > just plain idiocy. Again: there are more methods that those, that incorporate published recordings of others, to make music. If you want to play in a death metal band, you need to take the time and effort to learn how to play the guitar real fast and bouncing the head up and down the same time. If you want to build tracks from other authors recordings and publish them, you should be able to show some respect towards those, that made the noise in the first place (e.g.: list their names at least). Too big an effort? Fetch MSWindows, get MAGIX Music Maker and klick your hit! This is the ideal method for people, that do not care about the origin of music. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE4tyA1Aecwva1SWMRAvs7AJ4/xvz4PBL7q1xEEIsRosDlkQ3j6wCfXSrn tNf99pMEbqjlU0R4h6Y03j8= =tLgD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Wed Aug 16 05:15:35 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Wed Aug 16 05:16:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E2DC81.8030106@linuxuse.de> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> <20060815135517.C11970@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E18623.4070900@boosthardware.com> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> <44E2DC81.8030106@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <44E2E237.4080201@boosthardware.com> Hartmut Noack wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Patrick Shirkey schrieb: > >> However demanding the artists of the world all play fair and respect >> each other is a pipe dream. >> > > So if the there is probability, that single persons act uncivilized, > the whole civilisation is a naive dream? > This makes no sense to me. Please explain. > >> Demanding that people stop remixing music with unlicensed samples is >> following a path that leads to everyone doing exactly what they are >> told. I'm sure the powers that be would love this to happen. >> >> Expecting every artist to get permission before they create their art is >> just plain idiocy. > > > Again: there are more methods that those, > that incorporate published recordings of others, to make music. > And your point is ....? > If you want to play in a death metal band, you need to take the time and > effort > to learn how to play the guitar real fast and bouncing the head up and > down the same time. > If you want to build tracks from other authors recordings and publish > them, you should > be able to show some respect towards those, that made the noise in the > first place > (e.g.: list their names at least). > > Too big an effort? > It's a complete PITA and generally completely unnecessary step. It's an ideal that is not required in the real world unless you intend to sell or otherwise profit from the product in amounts that would catch the attention of the license holder. > Fetch MSWindows, get MAGIX Music Maker and klick your hit! > This is the ideal method for people, that do not care about the origin > of music. What a load of !!! You can use any software designed for music manipulation. Are you suggesting that only artists who care about getting express permission to incorporate other peoples licensed work are allowed to use open source software? -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Wed Aug 16 07:23:36 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Wed Aug 16 07:23:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E2E237.4080201@boosthardware.com> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> <20060815135517.C11970@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E18623.4070900@boosthardware.com> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> <44E2DC81.8030106@linuxuse.de> <44E2E237.4080201@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44E30038.4070704@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Shirkey schrieb: >> So if the there is probability, that single persons act uncivilized, >> the whole civilisation is a naive dream? >> > > This makes no sense to me. Please explain. You state, that to respect authorship is naive/nonsense/pointless because there are so many people out there, that do not care for it. right? >> Again: there are more methods that those, >> that incorporate published recordings of others, to make music. >> > > And your point is ....? You speak of "artists" as if *every* artist or at least a vast majority of musicians needs samples to make music. Yet it is so, that the vast majority of music being made does not incorporte such material. > It's a complete PITA and generally completely unnecessary step. It's an > ideal that is not required in the real world unless you intend to sell > or otherwise profit from the product in amounts that would catch the > attention of the license holder. Now for the last time: >completely unnecessary For you, but not for those, whose work you use to present yourself as an artist if you incorporate the work of others WHITHOUT mentioning them at all - didnt you get all the credit of the listener and those other get absolutely nothing and do you think, that is cool and decent? >> Fetch MSWindows, get MAGIX Music Maker and klick your hit! >> This is the ideal method for people, that do not care about the origin >> of music. > > What a load of !!! > > You can use any software designed for music manipulation. > > Are you suggesting that only artists who care about getting express > permission to incorporate other peoples licensed work are allowed to use > open source software? everybody may use open source software for whatever everybody may want to do - i do not speak about licenses. Stuff like Music Maker is designed for people, that simply want to consume something whithout bothering too much about its origin. So if you do not care for the originators of the tracks, you use, to present yourself as an creator of art, you might want to use a software, that is designed for easy consumtion. And yes! the whole concept of open source is the opposite of leeching - - it is respectfull collaboration for mutual advantage and public interest. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE4wA41Aecwva1SWMRAqapAJ9FgiNr7V62LJK8b3TmC9ClHMjlBACbBau3 BFxo8Kfp3rGRWUnXwgRrYlU= =e5PT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed Aug 16 08:36:29 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Aug 16 08:36:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E30038.4070704@linuxuse.de> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> <44E2DC81.8030106@linuxuse.de> <44E2E237.4080201@boosthardware.com> <44E30038.4070704@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: On 8/16/06, Hartmut Noack wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Patrick Shirkey schrieb: > > >> So if the there is probability, that single persons act uncivilized, > >> the whole civilisation is a naive dream? > >> > > > > This makes no sense to me. Please explain. > > > You state, that to respect authorship is naive/nonsense/pointless > because there are so many people out there, that do not care for it. > > right? > > > > > >> Again: there are more methods that those, > >> that incorporate published recordings of others, to make music. > >> > > > > And your point is ....? > > You speak of "artists" as if *every* artist or at least > a vast majority of musicians needs samples to make music. > Yet it is so, that the vast majority of music being made does not > incorporte such material. > > Do you people ever shut up? I'm bumming around at home looking for something exciting in my email and all i get is this mindless drivel. Time for a new direction please! In other topics, i've put flat wound strings on my bass and damn do they sound fantastic. Anyone else using flatwounds? Also been listening to a lot of J J Cale, and he has some mighty fine tracks. Cocaine and the rest covered by clapton are great, as is crazy mama and tons of others. Somewhat like John Mayall's decent albums but good all the time. Great stuff. Loki From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Wed Aug 16 09:32:44 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Wed Aug 16 09:33:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> <44E2DC81.8030106@linuxuse.de> <44E2E237.4080201@boosthardware.com> <44E30038.4070704@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <44E31E7C.6050103@boosthardware.com> Loki Davison wrote: > > Do you people ever shut up? If you don't like the thread don't read it. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Wed Aug 16 09:46:17 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Wed Aug 16 09:47:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E30038.4070704@linuxuse.de> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> <20060815135517.C11970@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E18623.4070900@boosthardware.com> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> <44E2DC81.8030106@linuxuse.de> <44E2E237.4080201@boosthardware.com> <44E30038.4070704@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <44E321A9.6070503@boosthardware.com> Hartmut Noack wrote: > > You state, that to respect authorship is naive/nonsense/pointless > because there are so many people out there, that do not care for it. > > right? > Not quite. I feel strongly that as there are so many people who remix with unlicensed samples it is pointless to expect everyone to get permission before doing so. It's also highly impractical in many cases. > > > >>> Again: there are more methods that those, >>> that incorporate published recordings of others, to make music. >>> >> And your point is ....? > > You speak of "artists" as if *every* artist or at least > a vast majority of musicians needs samples to make music. I don't remember suggesting that. You have perceived my comments that way. > >> It's a complete PITA and generally completely unnecessary step. It's an >> ideal that is not required in the real world unless you intend to sell >> or otherwise profit from the product in amounts that would catch the >> attention of the license holder. > > Now for the last time: >> completely unnecessary > For you, but not for those, > whose work you use to present yourself as an artist > if you incorporate the work of others WHITHOUT mentioning > them at all - didnt you get all the credit of the listener and > those other get absolutely nothing and > > do you think, that is cool and decent? I don't give a !!! If an artist wants to remix someone else's work then they should be free to do so. If they want to sell it without clearing the license then they should expect to hear from a lawyer. > > >>> Fetch MSWindows, get MAGIX Music Maker and klick your hit! >>> This is the ideal method for people, that do not care about the origin >>> of music. >> What a load of !!! >> >> You can use any software designed for music manipulation. >> >> Are you suggesting that only artists who care about getting express >> permission to incorporate other peoples licensed work are allowed to use >> open source software? > > > everybody may use open source software for whatever > everybody may want to do - i do not speak about licenses. > > Stuff like Music Maker is designed for people, that simply want to > consume something whithout bothering too much about its origin. So now you are suggesting that a remix is a nearly pointless exercise done by someone who is incapable of technical expertise with more advanced audio software? > And yes! the whole concept of open source is the opposite of leeching > - - it is respectfull collaboration for mutual advantage > and public interest. > So now a remix is leeching as well as thievery and to top it off highly immoral and a reflexion of an inferior personality? This is great. I'm looking forward to finding out more about the level of musical snobbishness that abounds in this community. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Wed Aug 16 10:23:44 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Wed Aug 16 10:23:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E321A9.6070503@boosthardware.com> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> <20060815135517.C11970@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E18623.4070900@boosthardware.com> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> <44E2DC81.8030106@linuxuse.de> <44E2E237.4080201@boosthardware.com> <44E30038.4070704@linuxuse.de> <44E321A9.6070503@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44E32A70.7060601@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Shirkey schrieb: >...to get > permission before doing so. It's also highly impractical in many cases. To demand a permission for a remix, that is noncommercial (or sold very little on selfmade CD) is too much for my taste also, attribution and correct credits is not such a big chunk of work, at least if some copies of a CD are sold or if a track is uploaded to the net, the relevant names should be on the cover/in the tag > > I don't remember suggesting that. You have perceived my comments that way. > allright, so let us forget about that - you are well aware, that most musicians do not need any samples. > > I don't give a !!! If an artist wants to remix someone else's work then > they should be free to do so. If they want to sell it without clearing > the license then they should expect to hear from a lawyer. > This i agree, yet i can imagine, not to sue a small-lable artist, that uses my stuff, cares for the attribution, and makes little or no money by selling it. And of course i would sue anybody, that i learn to use my stuff, "forget" the attribution and sell a single CD }>:-] > So now you are suggesting that a remix is a nearly pointless exercise > done by someone who is incapable of technical expertise with more > advanced audio software? > At least if such person does not care for the source, from wich his tracks are derived - i think there is in deed some incapability >> And yes! the whole concept of open source is the opposite of leeching >> - - it is respectfull collaboration for mutual advantage >> and public interest. >> > > So now a remix is leeching as well as thievery and to top it off highly > immoral and a reflexion of an inferior personality? > A remix is not leeching, if the origination of the used recordings is not ignored > This is great. I'm looking forward to finding out more about the level > of musical snobbishness that abounds in this community. > You state, that a musician has the privilege to break every rule, he/she needs to break, if needed to make the work of art and than you dare to criticize musicians for being snobs??! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE4ypw1Aecwva1SWMRAr6qAJoDqauDFVu3rGpZWFE9tN678SMjUACfTUjf IuyyOmHAIcTSx/Do37KSUTc= =ERqt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Aug 16 10:53:05 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Aug 16 10:35:23 2006 Subject: flatwounds & JJ Cale, was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> <44E2DC81.8030106@linuxuse.de> <44E2E237.4080201@boosthardware.com> <44E30038.4070704@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <44E33151.6030901@woh.rr.com> Loki Davison wrote: > Do you people ever shut up? I'm bumming around at home looking for > something exciting in my email and all i get is this mindless drivel. > Time for a new direction please! Blathering is a right we all share here, and copyright topics are obviously & always inflammatory issues. > In other topics, i've put flat wound strings on my bass and damn do > they sound fantastic. Anyone else using flatwounds? Yes, on a Fender Precision. I love 'em, especially for recording. Great for blues and soul music too, but not so hot for the funkier stuff. Plus they don't rip my right-hand nails to shreds. I also play classical and blues guitar, I like my nails. > Also been listening to a lot of J J Cale, and he has some mighty fine > tracks. Cocaine and the rest covered by clapton are great, as is crazy > mama and tons of others. Somewhat like John Mayall's decent albums but > good all the time. Great stuff. Cale's okay, not nearly so good a writer as Willis Alan Ramsey, but okay for pop. Mayall is another quantity altogether. IMPO he made exactly two decent albums, the first Bluesbreakers with EC and the Hard Road recording with Peter Green. His tribute to JB Lenoir is heartfelt too. But the truth is that he's a 3rd-rate singer and a not-so-hot player. OTOH he must be reckoned as England's blues maven #1, and his recording of "Man Of Stone" is a heck of a lot better than Eddie Kirkland's original. If you want to hear some core blues try Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, or Sonny Boy Williamson, especially the old Chess material. If you want to go deeper, get the complete Blind Willie Johnson. (Apologies if you're already aware of this stuff). How's that for some new directions ? :) Best, dp From gewang at CS.Princeton.EDU Wed Aug 16 10:41:50 2006 From: gewang at CS.Princeton.EDU (Ge Wang) Date: Wed Aug 16 10:42:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] all your face are belong to audicle (source released!) Message-ID: <5381B05D-A1DC-4A08-8D45-F6CA8E4F5BF0@cs.princeton.edu> Hi! The Audicle source code is finally released (GPL). Now audicle can be built to run and crash on Linux systems in addition to Windows and OS X. http://audicle.cs.princeton.edu/ Additionally, there is now formal documentation for the Audicle: http://audicle.cs.princeton.edu/doc/ http://audicle.cs.princeton.edu/doc/faces/ Also, there is now a miniAudicle for linux: http://audicle.cs.princeton.edu/mini/ The command line ChucK and friends (most stable and full-featured option for linux currently): http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/doc/ http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/community/ Since this is the first source release and effectively the first release for Linux, there is probably plenty of bad voodoo lurking in the build and beyond. Please let us know if you run into anything fishy or outright wrong. Feedback is most appreciated, and feel free to call us idiots. Finally, major thanks to Graham Coleman, Shawn Shaknitz, Scot Gresham- Lancaster, Gary Scavone, and the wonderful people of PLOrk (http:// plork.cs.princeton.edu/people.html). Thanks! Happy ChucKing. Best, audicle team (Perry, Phil, Ananya, Spencer, Scott, Ge, etc...) From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Wed Aug 16 11:04:51 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Wed Aug 16 11:05:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E32A70.7060601@linuxuse.de> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> <20060815135517.C11970@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E18623.4070900@boosthardware.com> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> <44E2DC81.8030106@linuxuse.de> <44E2E237.4080201@boosthardware.com> <44E30038.4070704@linuxuse.de> <44E321A9.6070503@boosthardware.com> <44E32A70.7060601@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <44E33413.4090001@boosthardware.com> Hartmut Noack wrote: > > You state, that a musician has the privilege to break every rule, > he/she needs to break, if needed to make the work of art and than > you dare to criticize musicians for being snobs??! > I'm not criticizing musicians. I'm criticizing people who think that a remix using uncleared samples is not music, original or desirable. IMO that is a very high level of snobbery. A similar attitude that people who spend years learning their scales by rote direct at a musician who has no formal training. The kind of crap that rock musicians usually reserve for DJ's and vice versa. I happen to be a rock musician and a DJ with a level of formal training but not at the tertiary level. I have seen a lot of musical snobbery and the attitude some people on this list have towards remix artists is of the same flavor. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From jri at broadpark.no Wed Aug 16 11:45:36 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Wed Aug 16 11:45:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No"] In-Reply-To: <44D6133E.9070903@broadpark.no> References: <44D6133E.9070903@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <44E33DA0.7040509@broadpark.no> Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > By the way, would you please mail me the sample of the clap-snare? It's so > nice:) Here you go, a few bars of the drumtrack with the clap solo: http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org/ting/klapp_kanskjeno01.wav I see there's been a debate on this recently, but have to mention: The clap+snare I sent you is made of one Rick James clap (the guy who made "Superfreak"), and a snare from some obscure german 7" with a guy called Alec something. In fact, most of the track I posted is made of samples from records. Sometimes just a bassdrum or clap, sometimes long takes lasting for 30 sec+. My reasoning is this: I heard (from a friend) that the guy who made "The grey album", wich was the acapella from Jay-Z's "Black" album mixed with The Beatles' "White" album, got sued by The Beatles' company. The Beatles lost, because Danger Mouse who made "The grey album" didn't earn any money from it. Now, I don't know if this story is true (....?), and couldn't find it mentioned on the wikipedia article (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grey_Album) as I was flying by, but I guess if I GOT sued, and I hadn't earned any money from it, they wouldn't have by far as good a case as if it was released as an ordinary album with many copies sold. I will investigate this further, but right now my eye is hurt and reading is a bit of a struggle... My solution (compromise) is using the CC by-nc-sa on works of mine that contain uncleared samples. If I got sued at least I hadn't used it commercially to earn money or allowed others to do so. This is a compromise, and having just heard the story about Danger Mouse through the grapevine, I've figured that for me personally I'm willing to take the chance. If you're willing to do that also go ahead and use the Rick James clap. ....Hell, it's just a clap... (Could be fair use, btw, but I dunno...) -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org From suamor at web.de Wed Aug 16 13:11:55 2006 From: suamor at web.de (Reinhard) Date: Wed Aug 16 13:08:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] NoteEdit 2.8.1 released Message-ID: <44E351DB.8040007@web.de> Hi, The NoteEdit team is happy to announce the long awaited new release of the score editor NoteEdit. You can directly fetch the sources from here: http://download.berlios.de/noteedit/noteedit-2.8.1.tar.gz Please note: This is the last major release on NoteEdit. Since some month the core team concentrates it's development on the NoteEdit successor called Canorus. More information can be found here: http://canorus.berlios.de/wiki/index.php/Main_Page The new version 2.8.1 contains the following major changes since the last release: - New direct printing and print preview support using different backends: - Implemented custom print dialog. - New settings in Configure dialog for printing. - Custom preview application (eg. kpdf, gpdf, xpdf, gv). - Custom typesetting application (LilyPond, ABC, PMX/MusiXTeX). - Enhanced UI: - mouse wheel behaviour improvements (zoom in/out, quick scroll, vertical scroll), - added keyboard shortcuts (select n-th voice directly, start/stop playback, insert special barline, goto measure), - few dialog improvements (insert clef or barline, page layout), - new dialog: Insert special barline. - remember the last position of action (useful when deleting the whole block of the score), - rewritten scroll behaviour (especially when the selected element is out-of-scope), - red border when Edit mode is active. - added vertical line which connects all staves - MusicXML improvements: - import arbitrary text. - export arbitrary text. - export all strings in UTF-8 encoding. - LilyPond export filter improvements: - arranger is now exported. - document page size is exported. - rit./accel. signs are printed in italic. - export all strings in UTF-8 encoding, if Lily >2.6 is found. - official Lilypond font sizes are now supported - gcc4 complete compiler support. Many warning fixes and internal cleanups. - Many documentation additions and fixes. - New translations and translation updates More details (including bug fixes and detailed changes) can be found in the NEWS file and the ChangeLog file of the archive. Best regards, Reinhard P.S.: LAA writing does not work for me, though I'm subscribed there with this account. Don't understand why, tried twice, never got any answer except the usual waits for moderator approval... (First try on Saturday evening, next on Monday evening). -- Software-Engineer, Developer of User Interfaces Project: Canorus - the next generation music score editor - http://canorus.berlios.de GnuPG Public Key available on request From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Aug 16 13:16:52 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Aug 16 13:16:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> <20060815135517.C11970@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E18623.4070900@boosthardware.com> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <1155748613.3397.28.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 13:08 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > Demanding that people stop remixing music with unlicensed samples is > following a path that leads to everyone doing exactly what they are > told. I'm sure the powers that be would love this to happen. > > Expecting every artist to get permission before they create their art > is just plain idiocy. By your logic, it's OK to steal material from a construction site if you're using it to create art. Lee From lau at kudla.org Wed Aug 16 13:59:27 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Aug 16 13:59:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <1155748613.3397.28.camel@mindpipe> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> <1155748613.3397.28.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200608161359.27750.lau@kudla.org> On Wed August 16 2006 13:16, Lee Revell wrote: > > Expecting every artist to get permission before they create > > their art is just plain idiocy. > By your logic, it's OK to steal material from a construction > site if you're using it to create art. Be accurate. By that logic it's okay to take pictures of material on a construction site if he's using them to create art. Rob From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Aug 16 14:07:07 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Aug 16 14:06:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <200608161359.27750.lau@kudla.org> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> <1155748613.3397.28.camel@mindpipe> <200608161359.27750.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1155751627.3397.30.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 13:59 -0400, Rob wrote: > On Wed August 16 2006 13:16, Lee Revell wrote: > > > Expecting every artist to get permission before they create > > > their art is just plain idiocy. > > By your logic, it's OK to steal material from a construction > > site if you're using it to create art. > > Be accurate. By that logic it's okay to take pictures of > material on a construction site if he's using them to create > art. Copyright law says otherwise. Lee From lau at kudla.org Wed Aug 16 14:21:49 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Aug 16 14:22:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <1155751627.3397.30.camel@mindpipe> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <200608161359.27750.lau@kudla.org> <1155751627.3397.30.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200608161421.49689.lau@kudla.org> On Wed August 16 2006 14:07, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 13:59 -0400, Rob wrote: > > On Wed August 16 2006 13:16, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > Expecting every artist to get permission before they > > > > create their art is just plain idiocy. > > > By your logic, it's OK to steal material from a > > > construction site if you're using it to create art. > > Be accurate. By that logic it's okay to take pictures of > > material on a construction site if he's using them to create > > art. > Copyright law says otherwise. You were discussing logic, not law. Huge difference. Rob From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Aug 16 14:30:29 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Aug 16 14:30:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <200608161421.49689.lau@kudla.org> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <200608161359.27750.lau@kudla.org> <1155751627.3397.30.camel@mindpipe> <200608161421.49689.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1155753029.3397.36.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 14:21 -0400, Rob wrote: > On Wed August 16 2006 14:07, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 13:59 -0400, Rob wrote: > > > On Wed August 16 2006 13:16, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > Expecting every artist to get permission before they > > > > > create their art is just plain idiocy. > > > > By your logic, it's OK to steal material from a > > > > construction site if you're using it to create art. > > > Be accurate. By that logic it's okay to take pictures of > > > material on a construction site if he's using them to create > > > art. > > Copyright law says otherwise. > > You were discussing logic, not law. Huge difference. > Well, I happen to think the law is correct and logical in this case. My creations are my property, and I should have the same right to make a living by selling them as a sculptor or a baker or a carpenter does. Copying my creations without my permission denies me the right to make a living by selling my creations, in exactly the same way that theft deprives a maker of physical objects of that right. Lee From lau at kudla.org Wed Aug 16 14:51:04 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Aug 16 14:53:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <1155753029.3397.36.camel@mindpipe> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <200608161421.49689.lau@kudla.org> <1155753029.3397.36.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200608161451.04647.lau@kudla.org> On Wed August 16 2006 14:30, Lee Revell wrote: > Well, I happen to think the law is correct and logical in this > case. My creations are my property, and I should have the > same right to make a living by selling them as a sculptor or a > baker or a carpenter does. Copying my creations without my > permission denies me the right to make a living by selling my > creations, in exactly the same way that theft deprives a maker > of physical objects of that right. It's true that copyright holders managed to get the laws changed in most places to fit what they would like reality to be, but reality remains unchanged. Copying is still just copying, not moving. Most people grasp that intuitively, which is why there's always such a huge divide between the legal and ethical arguments on this topic. Then there's credit vs. remuneration and whether one should be entitled to make a living at whatever livelihood one chooses and a whole slew of other issues that can be used to confuse the issue, and usually are. But when someone uses the "you'd copy a song but would you steal a car?" argument to invoke an emotional response, I'll always correct him. We all have our pet peeves and that's one of mine. Rob From dsbaikov at gmail.com Wed Aug 16 15:13:33 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Wed Aug 16 15:13:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] all your face are belong to audicle (source released!) In-Reply-To: <5381B05D-A1DC-4A08-8D45-F6CA8E4F5BF0@cs.princeton.edu> References: <5381B05D-A1DC-4A08-8D45-F6CA8E4F5BF0@cs.princeton.edu> Message-ID: <70a871c80608161213ib308950u5fb7ec80f6885cdb@mail.gmail.com> Finally, great news! Runs fine, though I haven't done anything with it yet :) To build it I had to comment line 83 in chuck.y: //%expect 35 Regards, Dmitry From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Wed Aug 16 16:28:47 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Wed Aug 16 16:28:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E33413.4090001@boosthardware.com> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <44E03EC8.5000503@boosthardware.com> <44E0721E.7090204@linuxuse.de> <44E089F1.6060101@boosthardware.com> <20060815135517.C11970@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E18623.4070900@boosthardware.com> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> <44E2DC81.8030106@linuxuse.de> <44E2E237.4080201@boosthardware.com> <44E30038.4070704@linuxuse.de> <44E321A9.6070503@boosthardware.com> <44E32A70.7060601@linuxuse.de> <44E33413.4090001@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44E37FFF.1020403@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Shirkey schrieb: >I'm criticizing people who think that a > remix using uncleared samples is not music, original or desirable. So it is not me, you are criticizing. Big ease on my side! I did never even mention the quality or desirability of any music in this thread - I only speak about what artists do when they release music to the public. Remixes can be the same as profound and original as any music made by any means. Remember Negative Land, Christian Lunch, ministry etc. I even think, that remixing artists should have some privileges when using previously recorded material (fair share policies instead of payment in advance etc) Still I do not think, that remixing artistst should have a licence to ignore the originators of the work, they use. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE43//1Aecwva1SWMRAhW1AJ9LvUk1cCEw0yF2vFoPejqH13w/nQCgi4v6 +weSW7n4WilB9s2NL4Y2B/o= =EvhZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lanas at securenet.net Wed Aug 16 16:31:10 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Wed Aug 16 16:32:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060816163110.285c3787@mistral.stie> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 08:40:24 -0400 "Paul Coccoli" wrote: > I'm confused. Is Intel video desirable in any way? Since the thread veered on Intel CPUs, is it possible that no-one is actually using an AMD dual-core CPU on Linux Audio ? Al From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Aug 16 16:34:48 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Aug 16 16:34:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <200608161451.04647.lau@kudla.org> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <200608161421.49689.lau@kudla.org> <1155753029.3397.36.camel@mindpipe> <200608161451.04647.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1155760488.7338.9.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 14:51 -0400, Rob wrote: > On Wed August 16 2006 14:30, Lee Revell wrote: > > Well, I happen to think the law is correct and logical in this > > case. My creations are my property, and I should have the > > same right to make a living by selling them as a sculptor or a > > baker or a carpenter does. Copying my creations without my > > permission denies me the right to make a living by selling my > > creations, in exactly the same way that theft deprives a maker > > of physical objects of that right. > > It's true that copyright holders managed to get the laws changed > in most places to fit what they would like reality to be, but > reality remains unchanged. Copying is still just copying, not > moving. By "managed to get the laws changed" are you referring to the US constitution? English common law from the 18th century? Copyright didn't start with the DMCA you know... Lee From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Wed Aug 16 16:37:40 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Wed Aug 16 16:37:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No"] In-Reply-To: <44E33DA0.7040509@broadpark.no> References: <44D6133E.9070903@broadpark.no> <44E33DA0.7040509@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <44E38214.6040302@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Johannes Mario Ringheim schrieb: >http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org/ting/klapp_kanskjeno01.wav > > I see there's been a debate on this recently, Since i am advocating the rights of the sampeled in this other thread i?d like do state as follows: > ....Hell, it's just a clap... (Could be fair use, btw, but I dunno...) > Absolutely right!!!! A single sound is a sound, not more not less but no music. IMHO it is ultracool that you care for mentioning the Rick James Record you fetch it from, some more then i would call sufficient. ;-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE44IU1Aecwva1SWMRAvtHAJ9eqN5ltu9dLcLiePXT0nLR6jC2jQCggE2C 8plxzTjwACjb6WxoPNxN+hs= =tFP1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From daneasley at gmail.com Wed Aug 16 16:39:26 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Wed Aug 16 16:39:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No"] In-Reply-To: <44E33DA0.7040509@broadpark.no> References: <44D6133E.9070903@broadpark.no> <44E33DA0.7040509@broadpark.no> Message-ID: On 8/16/06, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > If you're willing to do that also go ahead and use the Rick James clap. > ....Hell, it's just a clap... (Could be fair use, btw, but I dunno...) > Copyright's a helluva drug. (apologies to dave chappelle/charlie murphy.) -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From lau at kudla.org Wed Aug 16 16:53:21 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Aug 16 16:56:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <1155760488.7338.9.camel@mindpipe> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <200608161451.04647.lau@kudla.org> <1155760488.7338.9.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200608161653.22425.lau@kudla.org> On Wed August 16 2006 16:34, Lee Revell wrote: > > It's true that copyright holders managed to get the laws > > changed in most places to fit what they would like reality > > to be, but reality remains unchanged. Copying is still just > > copying, not moving. > By "managed to get the laws changed" are you referring to the > US constitution? English common law from the 18th century? > Copyright didn't start with the DMCA you know... I don't think that the DMCA has anything to do with sampling. I suppose the crackdown on that over the last 20 years is really based on recent case law rather than any specific legislation. But in a broader sense, the 1976 and Sonny Bono acts, in addition to the DMCA, are what have most enabled the notion that a copy of an intangible good is equivalent to a tangible one. Certainly Bill Gates would have gotten nowhere without the former, and none of them would have been passed without a lot of lobbying by those who'd already made millions selling copies of intangible things before it was possible for anyone to make those copies. Rob From fbar at footils.org Wed Aug 16 17:27:52 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Aug 16 17:28:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No"] In-Reply-To: <44E33DA0.7040509@broadpark.no> References: <44D6133E.9070903@broadpark.no> <44E33DA0.7040509@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <20060816212752.GF29982@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Johannes Mario Ringheim hat gesagt: // Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > My solution (compromise) is using the CC by-nc-sa on works of mine that > contain uncleared samples. If I got sued at least I hadn't used it > commercially to earn money or allowed others to do so. This is a > compromise, and having just heard the story about Danger Mouse through > the grapevine, I've figured that for me personally I'm willing to take > the chance. Not directly related but as I'm currently reading "Accelerando" by Charles Stross - highly recommended btw. - I like how he portraits what the music industry looks like in 10 years: Welcome to the second decade of the twenty-first century; [...] The International Convention on Performing Rights is holding a third round of crisis talks in an attempt to stave off the final collapse of the WIPO music licensing regime. On the one hand, hard-liners representing the Copyright Control Association of America are pressing for restrictions on duplicating the altered emotional states associated with specific media performances: As a demonstration that they mean business, two "software engineers" in California have been kneecapped, tarred, feathered, and left for dead under placards accusing them of reverse-engineering movie plot lines using avatars of dead and out-of-copyright stars. On the opposite side of the fence, the Association of Free Artists are demanding the right of perform music in public without a recording contract, and are denouncing the CCAA as being a tool of Mafiya apparachiks who have bought it from the moribund music industry in an attempt to go legit. FBI Director Leonid Kuibyshev responds by denying that the Mafiya is a significant presence in the United States. But the music biz's position isn't strengthened by the near collapse of the legitimate American entertainment industry, which has been accelerating ever since the nasty noughties. Ah, the future! I didn't type this quote from my dead-tree copy of the book, I copypasted it from http://www.accelerando.org/ where the whole text of the novel is available as "Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs" licensed etext. A must-read for every self-respecting copyleftwing revolutionary. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From cesare at poeticstudios.com Wed Aug 16 19:32:45 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Wed Aug 16 17:32:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No"] In-Reply-To: <44E33DA0.7040509@broadpark.no> References: <44D6133E.9070903@broadpark.no> <44E33DA0.7040509@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <44E3AB1D.8000304@poeticstudios.com> Do you guys know about John Oswald and his Plunderphonic album: http://plunderphonics.com/ Read the story on the website. The album (which is great, IMO) has been made (back in 1989) exclusively and completely with samples from famous musicians (Beatles, Michael Jackson, Metallica) recordings. It's available for download from the link above. It's ok (I mean legal) because it's no-profit. c. Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > >> By the way, would you please mail me the sample of the clap-snare? >> It's so >> nice:) > > > Here you go, a few bars of the drumtrack with the clap solo: > http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org/ting/klapp_kanskjeno01.wav > > I see there's been a debate on this recently, but have to mention: > > The clap+snare I sent you is made of one Rick James clap (the guy who > made "Superfreak"), and a snare from some obscure german 7" with a guy > called Alec something. In fact, most of the track I posted is made of > samples from records. Sometimes just a bassdrum or clap, sometimes > long takes lasting for 30 sec+. > > My reasoning is this: > > I heard (from a friend) that the guy who made "The grey album", wich > was the acapella from Jay-Z's "Black" album mixed with The Beatles' > "White" album, got sued by The Beatles' company. The Beatles lost, > because Danger Mouse who made "The grey album" didn't earn any money > from it. > > Now, I don't know if this story is true (....?), and couldn't find it > mentioned on the wikipedia article > (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grey_Album) as I was flying by, but I guess > if I GOT sued, and I hadn't earned any money from it, they wouldn't > have by far as good a case as if it was released as an ordinary album > with many copies sold. I will investigate this further, but right now > my eye is hurt and reading is a bit of a struggle... > > My solution (compromise) is using the CC by-nc-sa on works of mine > that contain uncleared samples. If I got sued at least I hadn't used > it commercially to earn money or allowed others to do so. This is a > compromise, and having just heard the story about Danger Mouse through > the grapevine, I've figured that for me personally I'm willing to take > the chance. > > If you're willing to do that also go ahead and use the Rick James > clap. ....Hell, it's just a clap... (Could be fair use, btw, but I > dunno...) > -- www.cesaremarilungo.com On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT -- Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, restrugo@fateware.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Wed Aug 16 19:41:00 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Wed Aug 16 17:41:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No"] In-Reply-To: <20060816212752.GF29982@fliwatut.scifi> References: <44D6133E.9070903@broadpark.no> <44E33DA0.7040509@broadpark.no> <20060816212752.GF29982@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <44E3AD0C.2020905@poeticstudios.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: >Hallo, >Johannes Mario Ringheim hat gesagt: // Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > > > >>My solution (compromise) is using the CC by-nc-sa on works of mine that >>contain uncleared samples. If I got sued at least I hadn't used it >>commercially to earn money or allowed others to do so. This is a >>compromise, and having just heard the story about Danger Mouse through >>the grapevine, I've figured that for me personally I'm willing to take >>the chance. >> >> > >Not directly related but as I'm currently reading "Accelerando" by >Charles Stross - highly recommended btw. - I like how he portraits >what the music industry looks like in 10 years: > > Welcome to the second decade of the twenty-first century; [...] > > The International Convention on Performing Rights is holding a > third round of crisis talks in an attempt to stave off the final > collapse of the WIPO music licensing regime. On the one hand, > hard-liners representing the Copyright Control Association of > America are pressing for restrictions on duplicating the altered > emotional states associated with specific media performances: As a > demonstration that they mean business, two "software engineers" in > California have been kneecapped, tarred, feathered, and left for > dead under placards accusing them of reverse-engineering movie > plot lines using avatars of dead and out-of-copyright stars. > > On the opposite side of the fence, the Association of Free Artists > are demanding the right of perform music in public without a > recording contract, and are denouncing the CCAA as being a tool of > Mafiya apparachiks who have bought it from the moribund music > industry in an attempt to go legit. FBI Director Leonid Kuibyshev > responds by denying that the Mafiya is a significant presence in > the United States. But the music biz's position isn't strengthened > by the near collapse of the legitimate American entertainment > industry, which has been accelerating ever since the nasty > noughties. > >Ah, the future! > >I didn't type this quote from my dead-tree copy of the book, I >copypasted it from http://www.accelerando.org/ where the whole text >of the novel is available as "Creative Commons >Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs" licensed etext. > >A must-read for every self-respecting copyleftwing revolutionary. > >Ciao > > Great! c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT -- Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, restrugo@fateware.com From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Wed Aug 16 17:29:23 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Wed Aug 16 17:43:00 2006 Subject: flatwounds & JJ Cale, was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E33151.6030901@woh.rr.com> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> <44E2DC81.8030106@linuxuse.de> <44E2E237.4080201@boosthardware.com> <44E30038.4070704@linuxuse.de> <44E33151.6030901@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1155763763.3122.3.camel@eviltwin> On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 10:53 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Loki Davison wrote: > > > Do you people ever shut up? I'm bumming around at home looking for > > something exciting in my email and all i get is this mindless drivel. > > Time for a new direction please! > > Blathering is a right we all share here, and copyright topics are > obviously & always inflammatory issues. > > > In other topics, i've put flat wound strings on my bass and damn do > > they sound fantastic. Anyone else using flatwounds? > > Yes, on a Fender Precision. I love 'em, especially for recording. Great > for blues and soul music too, but not so hot for the funkier stuff. > > Plus they don't rip my right-hand nails to shreds. I also play classical > and blues guitar, I like my nails. > > > Also been listening to a lot of J J Cale, and he has some mighty fine > > tracks. Cocaine and the rest covered by clapton are great, as is crazy > > mama and tons of others. Somewhat like John Mayall's decent albums but > > good all the time. Great stuff. > > Cale's okay, not nearly so good a writer as Willis Alan Ramsey, but okay > for pop. I beg to differ. At least as far as the Naturally album is concerned. Everything on there is great. > Mayall is another quantity altogether. IMPO he made exactly two > decent albums, the first Bluesbreakers with EC and the Hard Road > recording with Peter Green. His tribute to JB Lenoir is heartfelt too. > But the truth is that he's a 3rd-rate singer and a not-so-hot player. > OTOH he must be reckoned as England's blues maven #1, and his recording > of "Man Of Stone" is a heck of a lot better than Eddie Kirkland's original. > Mayall lost me when he said he never practiced harp playing. It's pretty obvious too ;-) > If you want to hear some core blues try Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, or > Sonny Boy Williamson, especially the old Chess material. If you want to > go deeper, get the complete Blind Willie Johnson. (Apologies if you're > already aware of this stuff). > I prefer Robert Pete Williams, RL Burnside, and Son Thomas. But the players you mentioned are good too. ;-) -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From steve at hassard.net Wed Aug 16 18:05:35 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Wed Aug 16 18:05:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <20060816163110.285c3787@mistral.stie> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> <20060816163110.285c3787@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <44E396AF.3020407@hassard.net> lanas wrote: > Since the thread veered on Intel CPUs, is it possible that no-one is > actually using an AMD dual-core CPU on Linux Audio ? What are people using these days to test audio latency? I haven't done any quantitative analysis, but things generally feel good on my Athlon 64 X2 systems. later, Steve From lanas at securenet.net Wed Aug 16 18:31:27 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Wed Aug 16 18:32:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <44E396AF.3020407@hassard.net> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> <20060816163110.285c3787@mistral.stie> <44E396AF.3020407@hassard.net> Message-ID: <20060816183127.3fd998b7@mistral.stie> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:05:35 -0700 Stephen Hassard wrote: > lanas wrote: > > Since the thread veered on Intel CPUs, is it possible that no-one is > > actually using an AMD dual-core CPU on Linux Audio ? > What are people using these days to test audio latency? I haven't > done any quantitative analysis, but things generally feel good on my > Athlon 64 X2 systems. All right. Which mainboard are you using ? Is the USB working ? The audio ? Is there a working hardware SATA RAID ? What about the ethernet ports, is there any problem with them ? Thanks. Al From steve at hassard.net Wed Aug 16 19:46:40 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Wed Aug 16 19:47:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <20060816183127.3fd998b7@mistral.stie> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> <20060816163110.285c3787@mistral.stie> <44E396AF.3020407@hassard.net> <20060816183127.3fd998b7@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <44E3AE60.8070505@hassard.net> lanas wrote: >> What are people using these days to test audio latency? I haven't >> done any quantitative analysis, but things generally feel good on my >> Athlon 64 X2 systems. >> > All right. Which mainboard are you using ? Is the USB working ? The > audio ? Is there a working hardware SATA RAID ? What about the > ethernet ports, is there any problem with them ? > Recently, I've tried the following motherboards: Asus A8R32-MVP (ATI Xpress 3200 Chipset w/ ALI Southbridge) Asus A8N32-SLI (Nvidia dual PCI-Express 16X Chipset) Both boards worked well with recent kernels (anything 2.6.16 or greater seemed to work well). USB works perfectly on both boards. SATA works well on both boards. Very recent kernels (somewhere in the 2.6.17 or .18, I can't remember which offhand) support NCQ for the AHCI chipset, which seems to give a nice speed boost to hard drive performance when multi-tasking. I haven't tried on-board RAID. NCQ is supposed to be supported for the sata_nv, but is a way off. I haven't tried on-board audio much on either board due to me using an SB Audigy2, but audio on both boards seems to be detected. Ethernet on the boards is well supported by recent kernels. The A8R32-MVP has two Marvell NICs (a PCI-Express and regular PCI model). Unfortunately neither of these seems to work with older kernels. The A8N32-SLI has a built-in forcedeth NIC, and a Marvell PCI-Express. The forcedeth works perfectly with older kernels, but the Marvell needs something recent. Both boards are passively cooled, which is a bonus. later, Steve From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Aug 16 19:52:27 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Aug 16 19:52:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <44E3AE60.8070505@hassard.net> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> <20060816163110.285c3787@mistral.stie> <44E396AF.3020407@hassard.net> <20060816183127.3fd998b7@mistral.stie> <44E3AE60.8070505@hassard.net> Message-ID: <1155772347.8796.22.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 16:46 -0700, Stephen Hassard wrote: > I haven't tried on-board RAID. NCQ is > supposed to be supported for the sata_nv, but is a way off. I think these boards both have software "fakeraid" not real hardware raid. Lee From illth at gmx.de Wed Aug 16 20:41:21 2006 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Wed Aug 16 20:41:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <20060816183127.3fd998b7@mistral.stie> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> <20060816163110.285c3787@mistral.stie> <44E396AF.3020407@hassard.net> <20060816183127.3fd998b7@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <44E3BB31.4090102@gmx.de> lanas wrote: > On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:05:35 -0700 > Stephen Hassard wrote: > > >> lanas wrote: >> >>> Since the thread veered on Intel CPUs, is it possible that no-one is >>> actually using an AMD dual-core CPU on Linux Audio ? >>> > > >> What are people using these days to test audio latency? I haven't >> done any quantitative analysis, but things generally feel good on my >> Athlon 64 X2 systems. >> > > All right. Which mainboard are you using ? Is the USB working ? The > audio ? Is there a working hardware SATA RAID ? What about the > ethernet ports, is there any problem with them ? > > Thanks. > > Al > i don't have an A64 X2, only an single core A64. the board manual says it supports X2's, thou. my board is an asrock 939DUAL-SataII. USB works well. SATA: the chipset integrated ports work well, and are supported. SATA2: there is a JMicron JMB360 on this board. This is AHCI compatible, but this bastard had thermal problems (got hot as hell, and the system would not even boot). this was when it was ~30?C outside and ~55?C inside the case. i only have the PSU fan ;) I reverted to the SATA ports of the chipset due to this problems. This is probably the only major issue with this board. ETHERNET: supported by recent kernels, has an minor annoyance thou: doesn't report cable connects / disconnects properly. Thus i need to do "ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 up" before using dhclient. Audio: dunno, i have a audigy 2 ZS here. Anyway, a would suggest to go with some AM2 solution (if you do not have some DDR memory you want to recycle.) in case of 939, you would now buy DDR memory, which will vanish from the market soon. > From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Wed Aug 16 22:52:42 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed Aug 16 22:52:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE: [linux-audio-announce] Linuxaudio.org announces new members In-Reply-To: <200608142120.37051@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <001d01c6c1a8$36177010$3402a8c0@64BitBadass> Fons is the author, but as per his request, he wanted this to be the name of the "umbrella" project that hosts all of these (lately he has been apparently very much into Greek, so hence the title). Best wishes, Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-announce-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > announce-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Gaydenko > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:21 PM > To: linux-audio-announce@music.columbia.edu > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-announce] Linuxaudio.org announces new members > > What do "Kokini Zita" words mean? I have thought, Fons Adriaensen is the > author > of the listed apps :-) > > > ======= On Sunday 13 August 2006 13:19, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: ======= > ... > Kokini Zita > Aeolus, JAAA, JAPA, JACE, Jdelay, Jnoise, and Aliki developer > http://users.skynet.be/solaris/linuxaudio/index.html > ... > _______________________________________________ > linux-audio-announce mailing list > linux-audio-announce@music.columbia.edu > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-announce From gewang at CS.Princeton.EDU Wed Aug 16 23:13:37 2006 From: gewang at CS.Princeton.EDU (Ge Wang) Date: Wed Aug 16 23:13:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audicle Source Released (was: all your face...) Message-ID: Hi Dmitry! > To build it I had to comment line 83 in chuck.y: Ah, thanks for the info! > Finally, great news! > Runs fine, though I haven't done anything with it yet :) Cool. The thing is still very experimental - the visualization provide a lot of potentially useful information, like the real-time FFT waterfall during synthesis, and the timing statistics. Overall, it's better used to visualize/perform rather than to write programs with - the command line chuck with your editor or the miniAudicle is probably much smoother for that. If you want, check the docs and let us know if they actually make sense. http://audicle.cs.princeton.edu/doc/ http://audicle.cs.princeton.edu/doc/faces/ Finally, there was a thread from months ago talking about beta-testing the thing on linux, I wonder if people are still interested. Well, thanks again and keep on chuckin' Ge! From chris at mccormick.cx Thu Aug 17 03:49:59 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Thu Aug 17 03:51:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No"] In-Reply-To: <44E38214.6040302@linuxuse.de> References: <44D6133E.9070903@broadpark.no> <44E33DA0.7040509@broadpark.no> <44E38214.6040302@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <20060817074959.GE27734@mccormick.cx> On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 10:37:40PM +0200, Hartmut Noack wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > ....Hell, it's just a clap... (Could be fair use, btw, but I dunno...) > > Absolutely right!!!! Sometimes a clap is just a clap, but some producers spend hours and hours hand crafting (pun intended) clap sounds. Production can be an artform in and unto itself. I am sure there are producers out there who would be ticked off if you used their delicately constructed clap sound without their permission. ;) Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From michael at wd21.co.uk Thu Aug 17 04:42:55 2006 From: michael at wd21.co.uk (Michael Pacey) Date: Thu Aug 17 04:50:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <20060816163110.285c3787@mistral.stie> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> <20060816163110.285c3787@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <43824.127.0.0.1.1155804175.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> Hi lanas said: > Since the thread veered on Intel CPUs, is it possible that no-one is > actually using an AMD dual-core CPU on Linux Audio ? I am currently setting up a 2 x dual core opteron box for audio work. The motherboard works well with Linux generally. It needs the reverse-engeineered forcedeth driver for the network card but it's already in all the distros I've tried (gentoo, ubuntu, debian, fedora, 64 studio). My vendor had to install a beta BIOS in order to get ethernet working on Ubuntu 6.06. Link: http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8we.html I'm afraid I can't comment on audio performance yet. I want to use the latest versions of the usual apps so I've been trying gentoo with pro-audio overlay. however I've found it very unstable. Ubuntu is stable but the apps are a bit behind the bleeding edge. Debian likewise. I wanted to try PlanetCCRMA but Fedora wouldn't install for some reason, never liked RedHat distros anyway. I'm now trying to get 64 studio working, but it doesn't like my stupid nvidia video card. I will persevere. Once I've got a stable, satisfactory setup I plan to post my experiences here. Cheers -- Michael Pacey From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Aug 17 05:10:36 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Aug 17 05:10:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <43824.127.0.0.1.1155804175.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> <20060816163110.285c3787@mistral.stie> <43824.127.0.0.1.1155804175.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1155805837.8796.44.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 09:42 +0100, Michael Pacey wrote: > I'm now trying to get 64 studio working, but > it doesn't like my stupid nvidia video card. I will persevere. Hey, I'm working with the 64studio guys. What exactly was the issue, and what version of 64studio? The 1.0 release is coming very soon, but there's probably time to fix the bug. Lee From michael at wd21.co.uk Thu Aug 17 05:24:28 2006 From: michael at wd21.co.uk (Michael Pacey) Date: Thu Aug 17 05:31:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <1155805837.8796.44.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> <20060816163110.285c3787@mistral.stie> <43824.127.0.0.1.1155804175.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> <1155805837.8796.44.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <43907.127.0.0.1.1155806668.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> Lee Revell said: > On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 09:42 +0100, Michael Pacey wrote: >> I'm now trying to get 64 studio working, but >> it doesn't like my stupid nvidia video card. I will persevere. > > Hey, > > I'm working with the 64studio guys. What exactly was the issue, and > what version of 64studio? The 1.0 release is coming very soon, but > there's probably time to fix the bug. > The issue is that my screen is very dark and X.org doesn't start. I'm signed up to the devel list and actively testing / reporting bugs. I imagine I can solve this issue by installing the proprietary nvidia module and xorg driver but I've not yet figured out what apt sources to add. -- Michael Pacey From carotinobg at yahoo.it Fri Aug 18 06:29:21 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Thu Aug 17 06:48:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No"] In-Reply-To: <44E33DA0.7040509@broadpark.no> References: <44D6133E.9070903@broadpark.no> <44E33DA0.7040509@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <200608181229.21912.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Alle 17:45, mercoled? 16 agosto 2006, Johannes Mario Ringheim ha scritto: > Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > > By the way, would you please mail me the sample of the clap-snare? It's > > so nice:) > > Here you go, a few bars of the drumtrack with the clap solo: > http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org/ting/klapp_kanskjeno01.wav thanks:) Carotinho Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From jri at broadpark.no Thu Aug 17 09:21:39 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Thu Aug 17 09:21:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No"] In-Reply-To: <20060817074959.GE27734@mccormick.cx> References: <44D6133E.9070903@broadpark.no> <44E33DA0.7040509@broadpark.no> <44E38214.6040302@linuxuse.de> <20060817074959.GE27734@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <44E46D63.7070503@broadpark.no> Chris McCormick wrote: > Sometimes a clap is just a clap, but some producers spend hours and > hours hand crafting (pun intended) clap sounds. Production can be an > artform in and unto itself. I am sure there are producers out there who > would be ticked off if you used their delicately constructed clap sound > without their permission. ;) Yeah....another story I heard is one about George CLinton showing the producer of Zapp how to make a good clap-sound. They went to a deep underground location and George told'em the secret.... As for me I make a 'good' clap-sound out of some clap sound from a record, mixed with a tiny bit of snare. I guess more of you guys do that aswell... To me personally, I think this clap-sound is 100% MINE, not Rick James', as the sound coming from a record and mixed with another sound (snare) is not the sound he made, and is crafted in a whole other way than he crafted his clap (appearently 'sampled' from a drummachine). There's also lots of tweaking on the sound, as it might have artifacts from the vinyl or Rick James' production, and you want the sound of it to be blended with the rest of your mix. You don't just sample it and it's all done, sampling from real records is a whole different story than using sample-CD's or the likes. So, in other words, if you compare for example any Public Enemy record to any 70's funky James Brown record....it JUST isn't the same kind of music, the two are for TOTALLY different uses and aiming for TOTALLY different audiences. What JB is really saying when he sues PE is "you sell my music, and I want royalties". Seriously....you think the availability of PE's records has led people away from JB's records? I think absolutely not, rather the opposite. For me I learned about JB's funkiness from nothing but PE and other hiphop records. This made me buy JB records, so now I have both PE *and* JB! I believe I'm not the only one, as hiphop clearly gave funk and 70's retro a major boost in the 90's. Who had heard of George Clinton and Zapp nowadays, if it wasn't for them....? Hiphopers made them rich ones again by sampling them, and then they want even more money afterwards by suing them. I (for different reasons) spent a year on the tune I posted, and I very much doubt that Rick James or any of the others I sampled have spent as much time on any of their respektive tunes. For those not into hiphop and the likes, I can safely assure you that sampling does NOT equal less work. It's rather the other way around, as it's harder to blend different records (tuning, tempo), then it is to just play it or get a band to play it. It's a different art, and it will NEVER replace any other kind of music, not even funk wich it originated from. The sad part is that music industry and copyright laws has ruined hiphop music. The stuff you hear nowadays is just synthpop with R'n'B singers, or very carefully selected and licensed samples. This controls the art, and has led it into some inferiour music like you might hear on the radio. So until people realise that sampling!=labour saving, hiphop and other sample based music is in a rather bad shape. I guess we'll have to be "Criminal Minded" ;) -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org From lau at kudla.org Thu Aug 17 11:00:41 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Aug 17 11:04:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audicle Source Released (was: all your face...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200608171100.42248.lau@kudla.org> On Wed August 16 2006 23:13, Ge Wang wrote: > Finally, there was a thread from months ago talking about > beta-testing the thing on linux, I wonder if people are still > interested. I'm really interested, but the free time I had when I last expressed interest isn't available right now. When someone does an Ubuntu package for it I'll definitely give it a try when my new Ubuntu-based tablet shows up next week, whichever is later. Rob From michael at wd21.co.uk Thu Aug 17 11:23:07 2006 From: michael at wd21.co.uk (Michael Pacey) Date: Thu Aug 17 11:25:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <1155805837.8796.44.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> <20060816163110.285c3787@mistral.stie> <43824.127.0.0.1.1155804175.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> <1155805837.8796.44.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1155828187.14493.116.camel@gandalf> On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 05:10 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 09:42 +0100, Michael Pacey wrote: > > I'm now trying to get 64 studio working, but > > it doesn't like my stupid nvidia video card. I will persevere. > > Hey, > > I'm working with the 64studio guys. What exactly was the issue, and > what version of 64studio? The 1.0 release is coming very soon, but > there's probably time to fix the bug. Got it working with a little help from Ubuntu multiverse apt repo. -- michael From _ at whats-your.name Thu Aug 17 11:54:35 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Aug 17 11:54:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audicle Source Released (was: all your face...) In-Reply-To: <200608171100.42248.lau@kudla.org> References: <200608171100.42248.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <20060817155435.GD27460@replic.net> On Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 11:00:41AM -0400, Rob wrote: > On Wed August 16 2006 23:13, Ge Wang wrote: > > Finally, there was a thread from months ago talking about > > beta-testing the thing on linux, I wonder if people are still > > interested. > > I'm really interested, but the free time I had when I last > expressed interest isn't available right now. When someone does > an Ubuntu package for it I'll definitely give it a try when my > new Ubuntu-based tablet shows up next week, whichever is later. compiled on the first go here. awesome to see the source get released (belated xmas present). just gotta replace my notebook with one where accelerated 3D actually works :) nothing like X chewing 99% CPU to do some software rendering leaving JACK struggling to output a sample.. From julien at c-lab.de Thu Aug 17 12:02:50 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Thu Aug 17 12:04:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A lot of progrock/artrock online Message-ID: Hi all! I've just brought the first version of my website online. at: http://www.juliencoder.de You can find my website. Please could you also try to aid me in my request, presented on the index site? I've searched for the componist of these pieces for over six years. My very own selfmade music you can find at this specific url: http://www.juliencoder.de/en/music_main.html I hope you enjoy it. Feedback, suggestions and criticism is welcome! Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Thu Aug 17 13:33:56 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Thu Aug 17 13:34:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No"] In-Reply-To: <20060817074959.GE27734@mccormick.cx> References: <44D6133E.9070903@broadpark.no> <44E33DA0.7040509@broadpark.no> <44E38214.6040302@linuxuse.de> <20060817074959.GE27734@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <44E4A884.2070708@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chris McCormick schrieb: > > Sometimes a clap is just a clap, but some producers spend hours and > hours hand crafting (pun intended) clap sounds. Production can be an > artform in and unto itself. I am sure there are producers out there who > would be ticked off if you used their delicately constructed clap sound > without their permission. ;) > I know this phenomenon, i have spend houres my self to adjust insufficient equipment to quench out the most adequate sound out of it. Still i believe, that it can be OK to use such small pieces of a recording do something new and maybe incredible and i would not easily stand to miss great tracks made by artists using such material maybe because they lack the resources to record the needed sound themselfs. Furthermore, if someone got the class to remember and to mention the original recording of wich his track is build upon, he/she should have the privilege to do so whithout express permission. Plus: J.M. Ringheim increased the glory of Rick James by using/mentioning his work to do something new, that is indeed honorable and should not be lessened by being too stern about licensing. best regards Z -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE5KiE1Aecwva1SWMRAtgHAJ4i8CyQhvm1BXXJQvYqNdOodM8edACcDYuU xRKorf2sa+lHV7EI0QdbBQs= =Di6r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lanas at securenet.net Thu Aug 17 15:56:49 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Thu Aug 17 15:58:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A lot of progrock/artrock online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060817155649.75142a88@mistral.stie> On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:02:50 +0200 (CEST) Julien Claassen ?crivat: Hallo, > http://www.juliencoder.de I've listened to life_on_a_bridge and it's pretty good, much in The Flower Kings way I find, but what's nice is that it develops with honesty. I mean, it starts and then when doing something else the music at one point grabs back the attention a few minutes after the beginning not by the dynamics but by the mood and the progression. Also, the play between the instruments is loose, eg. like 'real different persons' playing which adds depth. And the sound is OK, but maybe it could have more bite. Not more aggressive, but somehwat more vibrant colours in deepness. When I'll have time, I'll listen to the other pieces. Tschuess, Alain From mathias.friman at knorca.se Thu Aug 17 16:37:54 2006 From: mathias.friman at knorca.se (Mathias Friman) Date: Thu Aug 17 16:38:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Fast Track Pro setup Message-ID: Hi list! I have borrowed a M-Audio FastTrack Pro from work and I try to get it to work under Ubuntu Linux 6.06 (Dapper). Since I have a MidiSport at home, I have patched up my system with a firmware from http://usb-midi-fw.sourceforge.net/ and that seem to work on the M-audio FastTrack Pro aswell. The device is detected correctly as an USB-device, and all the appropriate modules are loaded; snd_usb_audio, snd_usb_lib, snd_seq_midi and so forth. /dev/snd/* looks like: controlC0 controlC1 midiC1D0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1c pcmC0D2c pcmC0D3c pcmC0D4p pcmC1D0p pcmC1D1c pcmC1D1p seq timer That is to say I have one control, one MIDI, two playbacks and one capture for my M-Audio FT Pro. I can play sound for the Phones-output jack through Audacity with PortAudio v19 using both (hw:1,0) and (hw:1,1) but i cannot do: aplay -D hw:1,0 test.wav or aplay -D hw:1,1 test.wav because it outputs: Plays WAVE 'test.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Mono aplay: set_params:901: Channels count not available When I run 'alsamixer -c 1' it outputs: No mixer elems found and it also does not show anything in Jack (qjackctl). My /proc/asound/devices: 40: [1- 0]: raw midi 49: [1- 1]: digital audio playback 57: [1- 1]: digital audio capture 48: [1- 0]: digital audio playback 32: [1- 0]: ctl It seems to me there should be some more inputs/outputs to choose from. I found a recent discussion on some alsa development list that didn't look too promising: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.devel/39666 I've also looked to alsa.opensource.org, to no avail. Anyone got any tips regarding this device? Regards, Mathias From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Aug 17 17:05:32 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Aug 17 17:05:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Fast Track Pro setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1155848733.8796.81.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 22:37 +0200, Mathias Friman wrote: > I can play sound for the Phones-output jack through Audacity with > PortAudio v19 using both (hw:1,0) and (hw:1,1) > but i cannot do: > > aplay -D hw:1,0 test.wav or > aplay -D hw:1,1 test.wav > > because it outputs: > > Plays WAVE 'test.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, > Mono > aplay: set_params:901: Channels count not available Use plughw:x,x, not hw:x,x. Probably the device does not support mono natively. If this fails, post the output of "aplay -v -D plughw:1,0 test.wav" etc. Lee From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Aug 17 17:27:19 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Aug 17 17:24:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A little bit more Message-ID: <20060817222719.2c7a9ff6@localhost> Some of you night owls might like to take a peek at http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org/updates.shtml My latest one is so new the bits are still warm :) Hope you like them. -- Will J G From brad at sonaural.com Thu Aug 17 19:30:03 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Aug 17 19:30:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT - O'Reilly article on Pandora Music Service Message-ID: <44E4FBFB.6030006@sonaural.com> A bit off Linux Audio, but not far. Just published, an article by me on the Pandora Radio Service. This includes a bit of behind the scenes technical aspect (3rd page). If you have any comments, please post them there (or here.) I'd really like to know how people like the Pandora service compared to others like Last-FM and how music-recommendation services work for them. You can find it here: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/digitalmedia/2006/08/17/inside-pandora-web-radio.html Hope you like it. brad -- brad fuller sonaural: www.sonaural.com personal: www.bradfuller.com From michael at michaelshiloh.com Thu Aug 17 19:34:32 2006 From: michael at michaelshiloh.com (michael@michaelshiloh.com) Date: Thu Aug 17 19:36:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT - O'Reilly article on Pandora Music Service In-Reply-To: <44E4FBFB.6030006@sonaural.com> References: <44E4FBFB.6030006@sonaural.com> Message-ID: congratulations, brad. what is pandora's linux story? michael On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, Brad Fuller wrote: > A bit off Linux Audio, but not far. > > Just published, an article by me on the Pandora Radio Service. This > includes a bit of behind the scenes technical aspect (3rd page). > If you have any comments, please post them there (or here.) I'd really > like to know how people like the Pandora service compared to others like > Last-FM and how music-recommendation services work for them. > > You can find it here: > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/digitalmedia/2006/08/17/inside-pandora-web-radio.html > > Hope you like it. > brad > > -- > brad fuller > sonaural: www.sonaural.com > personal: www.bradfuller.com > > > > > From michael at michaelshiloh.com Thu Aug 17 19:46:20 2006 From: michael at michaelshiloh.com (michael@michaelshiloh.com) Date: Thu Aug 17 19:48:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT - O'Reilly article on Pandora Music Service In-Reply-To: References: <44E4FBFB.6030006@sonaural.com> Message-ID: forgive my ignorance. upon reading your article, i see that pandora's tuner is simply flash, which of course does run on linux (with some futzing, which i'm not good at, so i don't have it on my current machine, which is why i thought that pandora did not run on linux). keep up the good work! michael On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote: > congratulations, brad. > > what is pandora's linux story? > > michael > > > > On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, Brad Fuller wrote: > >> A bit off Linux Audio, but not far. >> >> Just published, an article by me on the Pandora Radio Service. This >> includes a bit of behind the scenes technical aspect (3rd page). >> If you have any comments, please post them there (or here.) I'd really >> like to know how people like the Pandora service compared to others like >> Last-FM and how music-recommendation services work for them. >> >> You can find it here: >> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/digitalmedia/2006/08/17/inside-pandora-web-radio.html >> >> Hope you like it. >> brad >> >> -- >> brad fuller >> sonaural: www.sonaural.com >> personal: www.bradfuller.com >> >> >> >> >> > From brad at sonaural.com Thu Aug 17 19:51:41 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Aug 17 19:51:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT - O'Reilly article on Pandora Music Service In-Reply-To: References: <44E4FBFB.6030006@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <44E5010D.5080903@sonaural.com> michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote: > congratulations, brad. > > what is pandora's linux story? What do you mean? Do you mean what is the "Linux Audio" connection? While, I did state it is a bit off topic, they do use Linux in the backend to serve audio. You can read more about it on page 3. Other than that, the only relation to Linux Audio is the music aspect. I thought others on this ml might be interested in the "behind the scenes" aspect. And, if anyone hasn't heard of Pandora, or any music-recommendation services for that matter - not limited to Pandora, you might check them out. brad > > michael > > On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, Brad Fuller wrote: > >> A bit off Linux Audio, but not far. >> >> Just published, an article by me on the Pandora Radio Service. This >> includes a bit of behind the scenes technical aspect (3rd page). >> If you have any comments, please post them there (or here.) I'd really >> like to know how people like the Pandora service compared to others like >> Last-FM and how music-recommendation services work for them. >> >> You can find it here: >> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/digitalmedia/2006/08/17/inside-pandora-web-radio.html >> >> >> Hope you like it. >> brad >> >> -- >> brad fuller >> sonaural: www.sonaural.com >> personal: www.bradfuller.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Aug 17 19:54:24 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Aug 17 19:53:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT - O'Reilly article on Pandora Music Service In-Reply-To: References: <44E4FBFB.6030006@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1155858865.8796.104.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 16:46 -0700, michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote: > forgive my ignorance. upon reading your article, i see that pandora's tuner is > simply flash, which of course does run on linux (with some futzing, which i'm > not good at, so i don't have it on my current machine, which is why i thought > that pandora did not run on linux). "simply flash", ugh. The Linux flash player is so bad that Flash web sites are basically unusable under Linux. Lee From brad at sonaural.com Thu Aug 17 19:55:37 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Aug 17 19:55:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT - O'Reilly article on Pandora Music Service In-Reply-To: References: <44E4FBFB.6030006@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <44E501F9.8030006@sonaural.com> michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote: > forgive my ignorance. upon reading your article, i see that pandora's > tuner is > simply flash, which of course does run on linux (with some futzing, > which i'm > not good at, so i don't have it on my current machine, which is why i > thought > that pandora did not run on linux). Hmm... I don't have to futz with Flash at all. Luckily it doesn't require the latest flash plugin. Pandora, obviously, works fine for me. From michael at michaelshiloh.com Thu Aug 17 20:12:37 2006 From: michael at michaelshiloh.com (michael@michaelshiloh.com) Date: Thu Aug 17 20:14:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT - O'Reilly article on Pandora Music Service In-Reply-To: <44E501F9.8030006@sonaural.com> References: <44E4FBFB.6030006@sonaural.com> <44E501F9.8030006@sonaural.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, Brad Fuller wrote: > michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote: >> forgive my ignorance. upon reading your article, i see that pandora's >> tuner is >> simply flash, which of course does run on linux (with some futzing, >> which i'm >> not good at, so i don't have it on my current machine, which is why i >> thought >> that pandora did not run on linux). > Hmm... I don't have to futz with Flash at all. Luckily it doesn't > require the latest flash plugin. Pandora, obviously, works fine for me. I think Lee summed it up. Flash can be problematic on Linux, which means that Pandora will be problematic for some (not all) Linux users. Good article. Thanks for the pointer. Michael From brad at sonaural.com Thu Aug 17 20:28:50 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Aug 17 20:29:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT - O'Reilly article on Pandora Music Service In-Reply-To: <1155858865.8796.104.camel@mindpipe> References: <44E4FBFB.6030006@sonaural.com> <1155858865.8796.104.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44E509C2.30807@sonaural.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 16:46 -0700, michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote: > >> forgive my ignorance. upon reading your article, i see that pandora's tuner is >> simply flash, which of course does run on linux (with some futzing, which i'm >> not good at, so i don't have it on my current machine, which is why i thought >> that pandora did not run on linux). >> > > "simply flash", ugh. The Linux flash player is so bad that Flash web > sites are basically unusable under Linux. > I know what you mean. A lot of them don't work. But, they've made Pandora work well. The Pandora swf file is made with open-source OpenLazlo. From florin at andrei.myip.org Thu Aug 17 20:43:37 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Thu Aug 17 20:43:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: customize equalizer for XMMS? In-Reply-To: <1153960302.31195.26.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <1153950816.31195.21.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1153960302.31195.26.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <1155861817.2500.29.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 17:31 -0700, Florin Andrei wrote: > Yes, there's a ton of powerful LADSPA plugins that can be used directly > from within XMMS. E.g., I loaded the TAP EQ BW and only flattened the > peak at 9kHz and filled the valley at 16kHz and... wow! what a > difference it makes! > The phones are still a bit harsh but now they're bearable. > > I wish that EQ could go below 40Hz so I can fill in the hole in the low > frequencies. Well, I guess I could always load up a parametric EQ but it > would be nicer to solve all the issues with just one plugin. FWIW I'm using the XMMS LADSPA plugin, with the following filters: - TAP Equalizer/BW with -10dB at 9kHz and +6dB at 16kHz (to fix the hi-freq unevenness) - 4-band parametric filter with +15dB and bandwidth 1.7 at 20Hz (to fix the lo-freq dip) - Simple Amplifier with a -15dB gain over the entire spectrum (otherwise the LADSPA chain gets overloaded by the 4-band filter) The phones sound awesome this way. The residual roughness that I was complaining about is due to the fact that I'm listening to 128k streaming MP3 radio stations. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From yves_p at nnx.com Fri Aug 18 06:14:29 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Fri Aug 18 06:14:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <43824.127.0.0.1.1155804175.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> <20060816163110.285c3787@mistral.stie> <43824.127.0.0.1.1155804175.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060818101429.GB2721@localhost> Le 17 Aug ? 09:42, Michael Pacey ecrivait: > I am currently setting up a 2 x dual core opteron box for audio work. The > motherboard works well with Linux generally. It needs the > reverse-engeineered forcedeth driver for the network card but it's already > in all the distros I've tried (gentoo, ubuntu, debian, fedora, 64 studio). > > My vendor had to install a beta BIOS in order to get ethernet working on > Ubuntu 6.06. > > Link: http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8we.html > > > I'm afraid I can't comment on audio performance yet. I want to use the > latest versions of the usual apps so I've been trying gentoo with > pro-audio overlay. however I've found it very unstable. I have absolutely no problem with the Tyan K8W model, an ATI 9600 with Xorg 1.1 (the free driver), and a RME multiface. I'm particularly satisfied with this motherboard, everything works perfectly with Gentoo, once you have understood, when installing, that you want to do network with the ethernet card and not with the firewire interface :). Y. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Aug 18 06:58:43 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Aug 18 06:58:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Advice on desktop/platform In-Reply-To: <1154434489.30371.191.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1154434489.30371.191.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200608181158.43695.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:14, Jonty Needham was like: > I'm running Suse 9.3 on a reasonable machine. (1.6GHz AMD athlon, 512MB > ram). My studio at the moment consists of Rosegarden, Hydrogen, > zynaddsubfx, qsynth and Ardour(when I don't get CPU overflows). > > I've been using KDE, and upon reccomendation I tried FVWM as it's > lighter, but I had the same number (lots!) of xruns and problems. It did > run slightly better; I had 9 extra megs of ram free but realistically I > want no xruns. I'm not running a patched kernel as I'm unable to find > out what patches SUSE needs to run that conflict with the realtime > patches. My kernel is 2.6.11 atm. Any advice? Apologies as this is > really trivial; it's just that I have very little idea what to do about > it. Your choice of Window Manager should not make that much difference. Using a much more recent kernel and recompiling it to allow realtime capabilities should do the trick. You shouldn't be getting xruns on a machine like this unless you really push it. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Aug 18 07:01:01 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Aug 18 07:01:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Advice on desktop/platform In-Reply-To: References: <1154434489.30371.191.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1154527165.30371.219.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200608181201.01856.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 03 August 2006 00:03, Loki Davison was like: > You seem to suggest SuSE needs a special kernel patch... You just > build a kernel from kernel.org and apply ingo's patches found at > http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/ > > Lots of confusing options but you can always ask for help here. You don't even have to apply Ingo's patches. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From michael at wd21.co.uk Fri Aug 18 06:58:43 2006 From: michael at wd21.co.uk (Michael Pacey) Date: Fri Aug 18 07:06:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <20060818101429.GB2721@localhost> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> <20060816163110.285c3787@mistral.stie> <43824.127.0.0.1.1155804175.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> <20060818101429.GB2721@localhost> Message-ID: <45192.127.0.0.1.1155898723.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> Hi, Yves Potin said: > I have absolutely no problem with the Tyan K8W model, an ATI 9600 > with Xorg 1.1 (the free driver), and a RME multiface. I'm particularly > satisfied with this motherboard, everything works perfectly with Gentoo, > once you have understood, when installing, that you want to do network > with the ethernet card and not with the firewire interface :). Ah, are two of the four ethx interfaces really the firewire port? I wondered what they were. Do you use the pro-audio overlay? I was, with rt-sources 2.6.16-29rt I think, and had very regular lockups, just starting rosegarden for instance, and zynaddsubfx falling over after playing a few notes. I had some teething troubles but other than hydrogen crashing once, 64-studio has been rock solid and the performance has been excellent, although I have to admit I haven't tried running it with an smp linux image yet. I will be doing that this weekend and hope to give it a good thrashing. -- Michael Pacey From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Fri Aug 18 07:59:31 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Fri Aug 18 07:59:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Advice on desktop/platform In-Reply-To: <200608181158.43695.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <1154434489.30371.191.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <200608181158.43695.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <44E5ABA3.2030708@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 tim hall schrieb: > On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:14, Jonty Needham was like: >> I'm running Suse 9.3 on a reasonable machine. (1.6GHz AMD athlon, 512MB >> ram). My studio at the moment consists of Rosegarden, Hydrogen, >> zynaddsubfx, qsynth and Ardour(when I don't get CPU overflows). I did so also for some Months and had the same issues - it?s the kernel, comrad ;-). I strongly recommend to install NovellSuse 10.1 in the flavour of jacklab: http://www.jacklab.net/ If you want to stay with Suse, this is the only easy solution, 9.3 wont do unless you apply some serious work with unsure outcome. I switched to Ubuntu Dapper Drake wich comes with a standard-kernel that is built properly with DESKTO_PREEMPT enabeled with very very good results: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=236370 and (to figure out, why I say "very good" instead of "fantastic" or "perfect"): http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=199803 best regards Z -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE5aui1Aecwva1SWMRAixCAJ9skzUr5pa0QcQ82Yw6TTNyrrXZpwCgih+W 0IK3FI+fyZrf7+0AXOr2CmY= =23xq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jri at broadpark.no Fri Aug 18 08:33:43 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Fri Aug 18 08:33:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No"] In-Reply-To: <44E4A884.2070708@linuxuse.de> References: <44D6133E.9070903@broadpark.no> <44E33DA0.7040509@broadpark.no> <44E38214.6040302@linuxuse.de> <20060817074959.GE27734@mccormick.cx> <44E4A884.2070708@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <44E5B3A7.7010103@broadpark.no> Hartmut Noack wrote: > Plus: J.M. Ringheim increased the glory of Rick James by using/mentioning > his work to do something new, that is indeed honorable and should not be > lessened by being too stern about licensing. Yeah, crediting is important and a good thing. To me, I'm a "proud user" of for example Rick James sounds, so I have no problem giving credits when using some record. OTOH I'm a bit too paranoid to put the whole list of samples artists on my website, cause sadly many artists would rather not see it happen at all. So in this case I have to just *duck* and STFU about it ;) -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org From hardbop200 at gmail.com Fri Aug 18 16:12:42 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Fri Aug 18 16:12:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel packages - Debian Message-ID: Hello, Quick question: can I use deb packages of custom kernels built on my main desktop machine on my laptop? Both machines are Intel-based machines, but my laptop is much slower, and building a kernel will take much, much longer. Thanks, -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From ivarga at csounds.com Fri Aug 18 17:54:25 2006 From: ivarga at csounds.com (Istvan Varga) Date: Fri Aug 18 17:55:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Csound 5.1.00.0 beta1 ("alternative" version) release Message-ID: <200608182354.25332.ivarga@csounds.com> Source and binary packages, and documentation can be downloaded from here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=167991 Change log and release notes are attached. You can subscribe to the new mailing lists created for this project at these pages: http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/csound5-devel http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/csound5-user -------------- next part -------------- Release notes for Csound 5.1.00.0 beta1 ======================================= (Note: the list of changes is against version 5.03.0 beta, as of 2006-06-25; some new features that are in 5.03.0, but not documented, are also listed here. Changes that are known to be missing from 5.03.0 are marked with a '+' instead of a '*'.) Language changes ---------------- + User defined opcodes can now take and return string arguments. These are passed at init time only, and are identified by the 'S' character in input/output type lists. Here is a simple example that reverses a string: opcode ReverseString, S, S S1 xin S2 strsub S1, -1, 0 xout S2 endop + Many opcodes that change their input arguments are handled better by the orchestra parser. For such arguments, constants, reserved symbols (sr, kr, etc.), and expressions are now rejected with a syntax error. Also, when input arguments are really only written, and not read at all, the variables need not be previously defined. Examples of changed opcodes include: fin, fini, fink, splitrig, timedseq, trigseq, denorm, vincr, clear, OSClisten, loop_lt, loop_le, loop_gt, and loop_ge. * Implemented #ifndef and #else preprocessing directives for the orchestra, and also nested #ifdef/#ifndef. New opcodes ----------- * pcount, pindex, moogvcf2 (by John ffitch) * flooper2, syncloop (by Victor Lazzarini) * vadd_i, vmult_i, vpow_i, vexp_i, vaddv_i, vsubv_i, vmultv_i, vdivv_i, vpowv_i, vexpv_i (by Andres Cabrera and Istvan Varga) * sndload, loscilx, midipgm (by Istvan Varga) New command line options ------------------------ * --midi-key=N, --midi-key-cps=N, --midi-key-oct=N, --midi-key-pch=N, --midi-velocity=N, --midi-velocity-amp=N: route MIDI key number and velocity to p-fields (by Michael Gogins) Bug fixes --------- + Files #included from a CSD are now found relative to the directory of the CSD file, if the #include file name does not specify a full path. + Fixed bug in sprintf, sprintfk, printf, and printf_i with string argument. + Fixed problems in vector opcodes with overlapping source and destination vectors. + Minor bug fixes in GEN32, logbasetwo, delay, comb, alpass, randi, partials, convolve, s32b14, randomh, randomi, dconv, vcomb, and a number of other opcodes. + Fixed phase interpolation bug in atsa utility. * Fixed incorrect parsing of .csoundrc with trailing whitespace. * Fixed several bugs in the VST host opcodes. * Fixed overwriting of constants by pconvolve in the case of default partition size. Also, the default partition size is now really the value set for the -b command line option, and not -b * nchnls. * Minor bug fixes in nestedap, prepiano, inh, and ino. Misc. changes ------------- + csound5gui can now open files specified on the command line. This allows for associating CSD files with the GUI frontend on Windows. + Optimizations in atssinnoi (can be almost twice as fast with large ksmps values), and a-rate arithmetic and assignment operations. * Assume 0dbfs as the scale parameter in moogvcf if it is set to zero. * Use double precision internally in some filter opcodes (bqrez, moogvcf, pareq, rezzy, and tbvcf). * --sched command line option no longer checks for being used as the root user. * Added new parameters (source and destination offset) to many of the vector opcodes, and some previously existing i-rate parameters have been changed to k-rate. * Minor optimizations in many opcodes. Internal changes ---------------- + The CSOUND structure was converted to a C++ class named 'Csound'. + Header files csound.h, csoundCore.h, and csdl.h are replaced with csound.hpp and csdl.hpp. Also, several other headers (e.g. cwindow.h) are now integrated into csound.hpp. + Use of setjmp() and longjmp() was replaced with C++ exceptions. + Opcode subroutines no longer return an error code to indicate errors, and throw C++ exceptions instead. Also, there are no separate InitError() and PerfError() methods: Csound::ThrowError() can be used to throw an exception with a message using printf-style formatting, at both init and performance time. + Several improvements to the OENTRY structure: + there are no separate a- and k-rate opcode subroutines (avoids some confusion and possibility for errors) + 'threads' bits no longer need to be set: these were redundant and a source of errors + constructor and destructor routines can be set for opcodes. These are called by Csound::instance(), and when freeing memory used by instrument instances, respectively. + 'not initialised' errors can be generated automatically, by setting a flag in OENTRY + variable number of arguments can be taken and returned using MYFLT** pointers to arrays of output/input arguments, rather than allocating a large (VARGMAX) static amount of space + opcode data structures can have a size of up to 2 GB, as opposed to the previous limit of 64 kB + better support for automatic generation of opcode names from argument types (e.g. 'oscil.akk'): a pattern of 28 bits can be used to generate an opcode name using the type of any of the first 6 output and first 8 input arguments + opcodes that modify their input arguments can indicate such behavior with setting flags in OENTRY; it is also possible to allow for the use of previously not defined variables + it is possible to set a 'user data' pointer when allocating new opcode entries: this pointer will be stored in the OPDS structure on instrument instance allocation, and can be used for any purpose + Removed INOCOUNT, OUTOCOUNT, and several other similar macros. Inline methods of OPDS should be used instead. See also ChangeLog, H/csound.hpp, and Engine/entry1.cpp for more details, and changes not listed here. Known incompatibilities with 5.03.0 ----------------------------------- - The API of Csound 5.xx.x and 5.1.xx.x is not compatible. Emulation of old functions like csoundCreate() etc. is planned in the future. - The following changes (both by John ffitch) were not ported from 5.03.0, because they are incompatible with previous versions 5.00.0 to 5.02.1: - exprand and bexprnd output zero with a negative range parameter, rather than inverting output - vstprogset limits program numbers to the range 1 to 16, replacing all other values with 1 - pv_export and pv_import utilities were implemented independently, and use a different (more detailed, but also larger) file format. - The MFDIR environment variable is not supported - use SSDIR instead. - New flags for vector opcodes were developed independently, so it is not guaranteed that the behavior of 5.1.00.0 beta1 and 5.03.0 is consistent in all cases. One area where differences are likely to be present is the default value assumed for out of range indexes in source tables. Also, the flags for printing warning messages are ignored. - Some changes related to making messages more verbose were not ported; these do not affect orchestra compatibility, though. - Support for static Csound library and Mac platforms was removed. - CsoundVST and Mac frontends were removed. To do ----- - clean up and improve the API: - improve interfaces for loading of plugin libraries - better classes for exception handling - create a namespace for the Csound API (should probably have the same name as the modules for Python etc., for consistency) - move interfaces for shared libraries, thread locks, mutexes, timers, random generators, files, etc. from class Csound to separate, smaller classes - create wrapper templates similar to the one in OpcodeBase.hpp, to improve support for opcodes implemented as C++ classes - more consistent style of interfaces: naming of types, functions, etc., error handling (return values vs. exceptions), use of pointers vs. references, use bool type for boolean arguments, and a number of other minor issues - implement new orchestra (maybe score too ?) parser, either independently from the ffitch version, or porting from there if that is a better option - restore language interfaces, csoundapi~, TclCsound, and Cscore to working status - implement C-style API functions like csoundCreate(), csoundCompile(), etc. - write detailed API documentation -------------- next part -------------- 2006-08-17 Istvan Varga * Csound 5.1.00.0-beta1 release 2006-08-14 Istvan Varga * frontends/fltk_gui/main.cpp: allow for opening files specified on the command line * Engine/rdorch.cpp, H/csound.hpp, Top/csound.cpp, Top/main.cpp: made searching for #include files in directory of main file work with CSD files 2006-08-12 Istvan Varga * Opcodes/OSC.cpp: OSClisten: use new OENTRY flags for input args used as outputs * Opcodes/gab/vectorial.cpp: deal with the case of overlapping vectors * Opcodes/stk/stkOpcodes.cpp: fixed error (calling Instrmnt::noteoff() instead of Instrmnt::noteOff()) exposed by earlier fixes in OpcodeBase.hpp 2006-08-10 Istvan Varga * Opcodes/ugens9.cpp: pconvset: fixed overwriting of constants when the default partition size is used. Also changed the default partition size to the number of sample frames in the output buffer, rather than the number of samples as it was previously. * Opcodes/gab/vectorial.cpp, Opcodes/gab/vectorial.h: Made offset parameters k-rate. Also added optional flags for printing warnings on out of range index values; for now, no messages are actually printed. 2006-08-09 Istvan Varga * OOps/ugens1.cpp: fixed several incorrect uses of Csound::AuxAlloc() * Opcodes/sockrecv.cpp: initialize SOCKRECV structure before creating thread, to avoid race condition * Opcodes/ugmoss.cpp: dconvset(): always clear aux space to zero vcombset(): do not assume sizeof(MYFLT) == sizeof(long) 2006-08-08 Istvan Varga * Opcodes/gab/vectorial.cpp, Opcodes/gab/vectorial.h: New opcodes: vaddv_i, vsubv_i, vmultv_i, vdivv_i, vpowv_i, and vexpv_i. Added offset parameters to many of the vector opcodes. 2006-08-07 Istvan Varga * Engine/entry1.cpp, Engine/linevent.cpp, H/linevent.h, H/schedule.h, OOps/schedule.cpp, Opcodes/fout.cpp: Use new OENTRY flags for variable number of arguments and inputs used as outputs. Also fixed a bug in trigseq. * Opcodes/sndloop.cpp, Opcodes/sndwarp.cpp: fixed more incorrect uses of Csound::AuxAlloc() 2006-08-06 Istvan Varga * Opcodes/pvsbasic.cpp, Opcodes/pvsdemix.cpp: fixed some incorrect uses of Csound::AuxAlloc() * Opcodes/py/pycall-gen.py, Opcodes/py/pycall.auto.cpp: fixed a possible memory leak 2006-08-05 Istvan Varga * OOps/ugens1.cpp (linseg, expseg, etc.), Opcodes/pitch.cpp (mac, maca, transeg), Opcodes/uggab.cpp (sum, product): use new OENTRY flag for variable number of arguments * Opcodes/uggab.cpp: fixed randomh and randomi with a-rate 'cps' parameter 2006-08-04 Istvan Varga * Opcodes/midiops3.cpp: fixed bug in s32b14 opcode use templates instead of macros * Opcodes/minmax.cpp, Opcodes/oscbnk.cpp (denorm): use new OENTRY flag for variable number of arguments 2006-08-03 Istvan Varga * Opcodes/fout.cpp, Opcodes/metro.cpp: use new OENTRY flags to improve parsing of some opcodes that use input arguments as outputs (fin, fini, fink, splitrig, timedseq) 2006-07-31 Istvan Varga * Reorganized header files: csound.h and csoundCore.h are replaced with csound.hpp, and csdl.h is renamed to csdl.hpp. A number of headers that are no longer needed have been removed. 2006-07-30 Istvan Varga * Engine/rdorch.cpp: - changed format of Csound::TEXT::xincod, xoutcod, xincod_str, and xoutcod_str: - for args 1 to 30, bit N-1 is set if arg N is a-rate (xincod) or S-rate (xincod_str) - bit 30 is set if any of the arguments after the first 30 is a-rate (xincod) or S-rate (xincod_str) - bit 31 is set if all the arguments after the first 30 are a-rate (xincod) or S-rate (xincod_str) - bits 8 to 15 of Csound::OENTRY::flags can be set to indicate that some input arguments are actually used for output (bits 8 to 14 for args 1 to 7; if bit 15 is set, all input args after the first 7 are assumed to be outputs). This means that constants and expressions will be rejected by the orchestra parser. Additionally, if bit 3 is set, none of the input arguments that are flagged as being outputs need to be previously defined. * Engine/entry1.cpp: documented changes to OENTRY structure. * Added new command line options: --midi-key=N, --midi-key-cps=N, --midi-key-oct=N, --midi-key-pch=N, --midi-velocity=N, --midi-velocity-amp=N 2006-07-29 Istvan Varga * Changed version to 5.1.00.0 beta, and API version to 10.00. * Added S (string) type to user defined opcodes; string values are copied at i-time only. * Made argument space allocation dynamic in user defined opcodes, xin, xout, and subinstr. Removed .xin64, .xin256, .xout64, and .xout256. 2006-07-26 Istvan Varga * H/csoundCore.h, H/csdl.h, Opcodes/ftest.cpp, Top/csmodule.cpp: Renamed Csound::NGFENS to Csound::NFGENS (was apparently a typing error). * Opcodes/biquad.cpp: Assume 0dbfs as the scale parameter in moogvcf if it is set to zero. Use double precision internally in filter opcodes (bqrez, moogvcf, pareq, rezzy, tbvcf). Fixed some possible out of range indexing in use of a-rate signals. Added moogvcf2 opcode (same as moogvcf, but scale defaults to 0dbfs). * Opcodes/sndloop.cpp, Opcodes/syncgrain.cpp: Added "skip init" parameter to flooper2 and syncloop opcodes. 2006-07-22 Istvan Varga * Converted struct CSOUND to a C++ class. 2006-07-20 Istvan Varga * Opcodes/ugens9.cpp: cvset(): always call Csound::AuxAlloc() * Opcodes/sndloop.cpp: new opcode: flooper2 (by Victor Lazzarini) * Opcodes/syncgrain.cpp: new opcode: syncloop (by Victor Lazzarini) * frontends/tclcsound/commands.cpp: do not add -d flag 2006-07-19 Istvan Varga * Opcodes/partials.cpp: partials_init(): fixed bugs in aux space allocation 2006-07-18 Istvan Varga * frontends/csound/sched.cpp: removed check for root user * OOps/ugens4.cpp: fixed typing error in riset() * OOps/ugens6.cpp: delset(), cmbset(): do not assume sizeof(MYFLT) == sizeof(long) 2006-07-16 Istvan Varga * OOps/aops.cpp: fixed bug in logbasetwo 2006-07-15 Istvan Varga * Added new opcodes: pcount, pindex (written by John ffitch) * Top/one_file.cpp: fixed error on trailing whitespace in .csoundrc 2006-07-10 Istvan Varga * Started to convert the CSOUND structure to a C++ class. * Engine/fgens.cpp: fixed bug in GEN32 2006-07-09 Istvan Varga * util/atsa.cpp: peak_detection(): fixed phase interpolation 2006-07-07 Istvan Varga * Engine/entry1.cpp: corrected opcode data size for inh and ino * Opcodes/bilbar.cpp: play_pp(): use fabs() instead of abs() * Opcodes/biquad.cpp: nestedapset(): do not assume sizeof(MYFLT) == sizeof(long) 2006-07-05 Istvan Varga * Implemented pv_export and pv_import utilities. 2006-06-28 Istvan Varga * bug fixes in VST host opcodes From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Fri Aug 18 21:49:59 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Fri Aug 18 21:50:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audicle Source Released (was: all your face...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1155952199.14031.37.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 23:13 -0400, Ge Wang wrote: > Hi Dmitry! > > > To build it I had to comment line 83 in chuck.y: > > Ah, thanks for the info! > > > Finally, great news! > > Runs fine, though I haven't done anything with it yet :) > > Cool. The thing is still very experimental - the visualization provide a > lot of potentially useful information, like the real-time FFT waterfall > during synthesis, and the timing statistics. Overall, it's better used > to visualize/perform rather than to write programs with - the command > line chuck with your editor or the miniAudicle is probably much smoother > for that. If you want, check the docs and let us know if they actually > make sense. > > http://audicle.cs.princeton.edu/doc/ > http://audicle.cs.princeton.edu/doc/faces/ > > Finally, there was a thread from months ago talking about beta-testing the > thing on linux, I wonder if people are still interested. I'm interested... but did not get very far (this is on fc4)... > audicle [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): setting log level to: 5 (INFORM)... [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): audicle version: 1.0.0.3 (quintesson) [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): (audicle) initializing... [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): (audicle) initializing graphics engine... [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): | (audicle) cursor state: ON [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): | (audicle) initializing opengl/glut... [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): (audicle) initializing windowing system... [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): | (audicle) window size: 1024 x 768 [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): | (audicle) window position: 0, 0 audicle: freeglut_window.c:300: fgOpenWindow: Assertion `window->Window.VisualInfo != ((void *)0)' failed. Abort -- Fernando From info at audio-evolution.com Sat Aug 19 05:16:07 2006 From: info at audio-evolution.com (Davy Wentzler) Date: Sat Aug 19 05:17:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Commercial audio software on Linux Message-ID: <35dab3f017a.6509a981@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Hello, First of all, this is my first post here on the list. I'm in the process of porting my audio hard disk recording program 'Audio Evolution' from AmigaOS4 (running on PowerPC) to wxWidgets. This will allow me to release it more easily on other platforms like Windows and Linux. Although using wxWidgets means that a big part of the program is portable, some other parts like audio and plug-ins (think LADSPA, JACK) would have to be written specifically for Linux. Now comes the big question: since this is commercial software (with a price between 35 and 45 euro), would it be worth the effort to release it on Linux? I think most Linux users are used to open-source and free programs and I saw some already nice looking programs like Ardour and MuSe. I would like to hear from you if there would be any interest? Here you can see a picture of the current state of my port to Windows: http://www.audio-evolution.com/pics/ae5b.png Looking forward to some constructive discussion. Kind regards, Davy -- Davy Wentzler Audio Evolution http://www.audio-evolution.com From mathias.friman at knorca.se Sat Aug 19 05:33:48 2006 From: mathias.friman at knorca.se (Mathias Friman) Date: Sat Aug 19 05:33:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Fast Track Pro setup Message-ID: ----Ursprungligt meddelande----- From: Lee Revell rlrevell@joe-job.com Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:05:27 +0200 To: A list for linux audio users linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Fast Track Pro setup > Use plughw:x,x, not hw:x,x. Probably the device does not support mono > natively. > > If this fails, post the output of "aplay -v -D plughw:1,0 test.wav" etc. Okay, so that worked. =) Thanks a bundle. Now to the next piece of the puzzle, how do I link these plughw:1,0 and plughw:1,1 into Jack? And how can I link the capture-device? According to the specification here: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FastTrackPro-focus.html the device seems to have a bit more to give than two playback ports and one capture? Should I just ignore the fact that in Linux, one cannot get proper support for this device, or is it something, anything, that I can do to complete the feature-set? :) I have a MidiSport 2x2, as previously stated, which required a firmware to function. Does something similar exist for the M-Audio Fast Track Pro? I've roamed the internet, without any luck. All tips are helpful! =) Regards, Mathias From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sat Aug 19 06:03:12 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sat Aug 19 06:04:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <35dab3f017a.6509a981@smtp.wanadoo.nl> References: <35dab3f017a.6509a981@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Message-ID: <44E6E1E0.8000902@boosthardware.com> Hi Davy, I'm not sure how many people would want to purchase it but if it fills a specific niche then you may have a market in the cross platform arena. ie anyone can use it and share their sessions on multiple platforms without having to export tracks. You may also find that there will be some assistance from the more professional developers to port it if you are not able to justify the time to do it all by yourself. Cheers. Davy Wentzler wrote: > Hello, > > First of all, this is my first post here on the list. I'm in the process > of porting my audio hard disk recording program 'Audio Evolution' > from AmigaOS4 (running on PowerPC) to wxWidgets. This will allow > me to release it more easily on other platforms like Windows and Linux. > > Although using wxWidgets means that a big part of the program is > portable, some other parts like audio and plug-ins (think LADSPA, JACK) > would have to be written specifically for Linux. Now comes the big > question: since this is commercial software (with a price between > 35 and 45 euro), would it be worth the effort to release it on Linux? > I think most Linux users are used to open-source and free programs and > I saw some already nice looking programs like Ardour and MuSe. > I would like to hear from you if there would be any interest? > > Here you can see a picture of the current state of my port to Windows: > http://www.audio-evolution.com/pics/ae5b.png > > Looking forward to some constructive discussion. > > Kind regards, > > Davy -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From v2 at iki.fi Sat Aug 19 06:20:19 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Sat Aug 19 06:20:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Commercial audio software on Linux Message-ID: <1155982819.44e6e5e3ecdce@www2.helsinki.fi> Quoting Davy Wentzler : > Hello, > > First of all, this is my first post here on the list. I'm in the process > of porting my audio hard disk recording program 'Audio Evolution' > from AmigaOS4 (running on PowerPC) to wxWidgets. This will allow > me to release it more easily on other platforms like Windows and Linux. Iteresting > Although using wxWidgets means that a big part of the program is > portable, some other parts like audio and plug-ins (think LADSPA, JACK) > would have to be written specifically for Linux. Now comes the big > question: since this is commercial software (with a price between > 35 and 45 euro), would it be worth the effort to release it on Linux? >From the screenshot you posted, it seems that your software doesn't do anything which Ardour couldn't do. I think the quesitons just comes back to you: What does your program do that makes it worth the 35-45 euro for someone who already runs Ardour / MusE / Rosegarden? Sampo From info at audio-evolution.com Sat Aug 19 06:25:51 2006 From: info at audio-evolution.com (Davy Wentzler) Date: Sat Aug 19 06:26:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <1155982819.44e6e5e3ecdce@www2.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Hello Sampo, > From the screenshot you posted, it seems that your software doesn't do > anything which Ardour couldn't do. > I think the quesitons just comes back to you: What does your program do that > makes it worth the 35-45 euro for someone who already runs Ardour / MusE / > Rosegarden? That's true. However, there are some free tools available on Windows too, including a free Pro Tools version. At the same time, there are lots of commercial applications available. Perhaps people prefer the feel of one application above the other. Kind regards, Davy -- Davy Wentzler Audio Evolution http://www.audio-evolution.com From jri at broadpark.no Sat Aug 19 07:41:22 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Sat Aug 19 07:41:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Message-ID: <44E6F8E2.8050608@broadpark.no> Davy Wentzler wrote: > Hello Sampo, > >> From the screenshot you posted, it seems that your software doesn't do >> anything which Ardour couldn't do. > >> I think the quesitons just comes back to you: What does your program do that >> makes it worth the 35-45 euro for someone who already runs Ardour / MusE / >> Rosegarden? > That's true. However, there are some free tools available on Windows too, Yeah.... Did they get anywhere with the Windows port of Ardour, btw? That should make it a free, crossplatform and extremly powerful multitrack recorder for windows also. I guess in this case that would be bad news for you, Davy. I watched a recording of a speech by Mark Shuttleworth (Ubuntu founder) where he pointed out that in like ten years it will be VERY difficult for proprietary ("commercial") software to compete with Free Software commercially. In Linux Audio this is already very much true. Me I've already switched to LA (Ardour, etc) from Adobe Audition (blah!) on Windows. This is also on the machine where I work (parttime) and get paid (recording voices etc for multimedia productions). I also spent two months at a "major" movie studio here in Norway, and I wouldn't have switched Ardour for their Nuendo at any price, particularly since Ardour is much snappier and has much better routing-possibilities than Nuendo. Only thing of course is the Waves VST plugins, I don't think we have anything on LA wich can match that. Yet. Now, I don't mean to take your courage away, but this is what you're up against nowadays... Maybe to find some way to make it GPL and still earn some bucks? You could do coursing, consulting or some other type of support or development for customers... Your app could perhaps be practical for educational purposes? Amiga rules, btw...I heard that the MorphOS system is taking 5 megs of HD space... Now, what other modern OS can compete with THAT? In fact I recently got an A4000/040 the other day, from some media-institution related to where I work. I'll try to fire it up some day :) Saaadly, though, they didn't give me the Studio16 16 bit recording card, just the manual ;( -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Aug 19 08:45:38 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Aug 19 08:28:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <35dab3f017a.6509a981@smtp.wanadoo.nl> References: <35dab3f017a.6509a981@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Message-ID: <44E707F2.7030603@woh.rr.com> Davy Wentzler wrote: >First of all, this is my first post here on the list. I'm in the process >of porting my audio hard disk recording program 'Audio Evolution' >from AmigaOS4 (running on PowerPC) to wxWidgets. This will allow >me to release it more easily on other platforms like Windows and Linux. > > Hi Davy, and welcome to the wacky world of Linux audio development and use. >Although using wxWidgets means that a big part of the program is >portable, some other parts like audio and plug-ins (think LADSPA, JACK) >would have to be written specifically for Linux. Now comes the big >question: since this is commercial software (with a price between >35 and 45 euro), would it be worth the effort to release it on Linux? >I think most Linux users are used to open-source and free programs and >I saw some already nice looking programs like Ardour and MuSe. >I would like to hear from you if there would be any interest? > >Here you can see a picture of the current state of my port to Windows: >http://www.audio-evolution.com/pics/ae5b.png > >Looking forward to some constructive discussion. > > Your program looks cool, I'd like to hear some demos sometime. IMO the more stuff out there, the better. I have no idea whether anyone would purchase the program, but it doesn't hurt to try selling it. Sampo's remarks re: Ardour really bring us to the point, so if your app doesn't have the value added for competing with Ardour it may have some marketing problems. I suggest you work with Ardour a bit to see where your own app might do something different (forgive me if you've already done this) that would give it an appeal other than what we already have in Ardour. You might also want to consider some of the similarly purposed apps such as Jokosher, Frinika, ProTux, and Qtractor. They may also be doing things of interest to your efforts. Me, I have no personal objection to $$ for software. If your app rocked in some way I needed, I'd consider purchasing it. Best regards, Dave Phillips http://linux-sound.org From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Aug 19 09:41:42 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Aug 19 09:38:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <44E707F2.7030603@woh.rr.com> References: <35dab3f017a.6509a981@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <44E707F2.7030603@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060819144142.04f07775@localhost> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:45:38 -0400 Dave Phillips wrote: > Davy Wentzler wrote: > > >First of all, this is my first post here on the list. I'm in the process > >of porting my audio hard disk recording program 'Audio Evolution' > >from AmigaOS4 (running on PowerPC) to wxWidgets. This will allow > >me to release it more easily on other platforms like Windows and Linux. > > > > > Hi Davy, and welcome to the wacky world of Linux audio development and use. > > >Although using wxWidgets means that a big part of the program is > >portable, some other parts like audio and plug-ins (think LADSPA, JACK) > >would have to be written specifically for Linux. Now comes the big > >question: since this is commercial software (with a price between > >35 and 45 euro), would it be worth the effort to release it on Linux? > >I think most Linux users are used to open-source and free programs and > >I saw some already nice looking programs like Ardour and MuSe. > >I would like to hear from you if there would be any interest? > > > >Here you can see a picture of the current state of my port to Windows: > >http://www.audio-evolution.com/pics/ae5b.png > > > >Looking forward to some constructive discussion. > > > > > Your program looks cool, I'd like to hear some demos sometime. > > IMO the more stuff out there, the better. I have no idea whether anyone > would purchase the program, but it doesn't hurt to try selling it. > Sampo's remarks re: Ardour really bring us to the point, so if your app > doesn't have the value added for competing with Ardour it may have some > marketing problems. I suggest you work with Ardour a bit to see where > your own app might do something different (forgive me if you've already > done this) that would give it an appeal other than what we already have > in Ardour. You might also want to consider some of the similarly > purposed apps such as Jokosher, Frinika, ProTux, and Qtractor. They may > also be doing things of interest to your efforts. > > Me, I have no personal objection to $$ for software. If your app rocked > in some way I needed, I'd consider purchasing it. > > Best regards, > > Dave Phillips > http://linux-sound.org I'd agree with all of this but add another point. Not only do you have to offer something extra or better but you also have to keep ahead. I've bought software in the past that has been better than what was freely available, and had no problem doing that. However, when the free stuff got as good, better or just more interesting I've jumped ship. I also advise you to beware file format lock-ins. If you try to do it you will rapidly lose customers and get a bad reputation at the same time. -- Will J G From julien at c-lab.de Sat Aug 19 10:15:44 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sat Aug 19 10:16:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A lot of progrock/artrock online In-Reply-To: <20060817155649.75142a88@mistral.stie> References: <20060817155649.75142a88@mistral.stie> Message-ID: Hi Alain! Thanks for the positive feedback. One other note about life on a bridge. You probably recognised the main theme: The national antheme of the DDR. Which in this case is very apropriate, because the piece is a bit of an impression from a stay in Erfurt, on the Kraemerbruecke. Ill be happily awaiting more feedback. The pieces are from quite different periods and sometimes sport quite a different production technique. - And it's good to know of someone else, who knows "The Flower Kings"! :-) Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From fbar at footils.org Sat Aug 19 10:37:02 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Aug 19 10:38:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <1155982819.44e6e5e3ecdce@www2.helsinki.fi> References: <1155982819.44e6e5e3ecdce@www2.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <20060819143702.GC20481@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Sampo Savolainen hat gesagt: // Sampo Savolainen wrote: > I think the quesitons just comes back to you: What does your program do that > makes it worth the 35-45 euro for someone who already runs Ardour / MusE / > Rosegarden? I wouldn't mind paying for software (I did by Linux CDs etc.) but I would not pay for software where a major part is missing: the source code and the right to use that freely. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From ivalladolidt at terra.es Sat Aug 19 10:41:51 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Sat Aug 19 10:42:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <44E707F2.7030603@woh.rr.com> References: <35dab3f017a.6509a981@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <44E707F2.7030603@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060819144151.GA1104@ASPIRE> Dave Phillips escribe: > Me, I have no personal objection to $$ for software. If your app rocked > in some way I needed, I'd consider purchasing it. Are we talking of a closed sourced commercial app or an open sourced one? It must be remembered also that you could very well give the app for free and get paid for the support. Configuring an audio workstation from the ground up so minimal latency and maximum performance is achieved is far from being obvious for the standard user. BTW I think GTK is OK for a multiplatform, app, check out the GIMP, Gajim and many others. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange! From info at audio-evolution.com Sat Aug 19 11:12:07 2006 From: info at audio-evolution.com (Davy Wentzler) Date: Sat Aug 19 11:13:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <20060819144151.GA1104@ASPIRE> Message-ID: <35db0760167.748d3b47@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Hello Ismael, > Are we talking of a closed sourced commercial app or an open sourced > one? Closed source. > BTW I think GTK is OK for a multiplatform, app, check out the GIMP, > Gajim and many others. I chose wxWidgets, and it uses GTK (2?) as a back-end on Linux. Kind regards, Davy -- Davy Wentzler Audio Evolution http://www.audio-evolution.com From jh at brainiac.com Sat Aug 19 12:04:22 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Sat Aug 19 12:04:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <35db0760167.748d3b47@smtp.wanadoo.nl> References: <20060819144151.GA1104@ASPIRE> <35db0760167.748d3b47@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Message-ID: <20060819120422.17198df5.jh@brainiac.com> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:12:07 +0200 Davy Wentzler wrote: > > Are we talking of a closed sourced commercial app or an open sourced > > one? > Closed source. Hi Davy, nice to meet another ex-Amiga fan here! I had one of the first 1000s, and eventually got a 3000 and LOVED those machines. I used to do a fair amount of radio production years ago, and the first time I recorded and edited a promo on the Amiga, I threw away my razor blade and splicing tape. While I think it's possible to make a closed source commercial application for Linux that's successful, it's got to be an absolutely killer app, and unfortunately, I think you're positioned way behind the curve. As others have mentioned, Ardour ( http://ardour.org ) is the reigning champion of multitrack recording programs under Linux. A big part of its success is due to the fact that its author has also designed JACK, the low-latency audio server that more and more Linux audio apps rely on. It's such a polished piece of software that Harrison/GLW (maker of consoles to die for) is integrating it with some of their products. (A pic is available at http://ardour.org/files/ardour-harrison.png ). Despite the fact that this is a piece of first-class software rivalling ProTools, it's released under the GPL and is freely distributable. It's going to be an uphill battle to release a tool that does less (judging from the feature lists) and costs more to implement. Nevertheless, I wish you luck, because Audio Evolution's always had a very good reputation, and it's never a bad thing to have alternatives. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From sstubbs at shout.net Sat Aug 19 12:22:18 2006 From: sstubbs at shout.net (The Other) Date: Sat Aug 19 12:22:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] kernel packages - Debian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200608191122.19116.sstubbs@shout.net> On Friday 18 August 2006 3:12 pm, Josh Lawrence wrote: > Hello, > > Quick question: can I use deb packages of custom kernels built on > my main desktop machine on my laptop? Both machines are > Intel-based machines, but my laptop is much slower, and building a > kernel will take much, much longer. Sure, why not. Same concept as cross-compiling. Select the kernel options with your laptop capabilites in mind and build the kernel on the Debian desktop. Then get the packages to your laptop and install with Debian on the laptop. Best Regards, Stephen. From ivalladolidt at terra.es Sat Aug 19 13:01:10 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Sat Aug 19 13:01:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <20060819120422.17198df5.jh@brainiac.com> References: <20060819144151.GA1104@ASPIRE> <35db0760167.748d3b47@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <20060819120422.17198df5.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <20060819170110.GA1240@ASPIRE> Joe Hartley escribe: > Despite the fact that this is a piece of first-class software rivalling > ProTools, it's released under the GPL and is freely distributable. It's > going to be an uphill battle to release a tool that does less (judging from > the feature lists) and costs more to implement. It's not a problem doing less as far as you do some special things others don't and in a more user friendly way. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange! From _ at whats-your.name Sat Aug 19 13:05:44 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sat Aug 19 13:05:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <44E6F8E2.8050608@broadpark.no> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <44E6F8E2.8050608@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <20060819170544.GA16899@replic.net> > Now, I don't mean to take your courage away, but this is what you're up against nowadays... also up against numerous free beers on Losedows: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/07/17/free-windows-sequencershosts-for-music-straight-out-of-no-cash-2/ http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/01/02/reaper-freecheap-windows-audio-software-from-winamp-creator/ http://www.kreatives.org/kristal/ multi-track capabilityes of Audacity, and nice stuff in your price range (Tracktion, a few others) and most kids/anonymous/broke/amateur musician would rather just use a cracked copy of Cubase, Reason, Fruity or Ableton than pay $45 for something which isnt even as good. > Maybe to find some way to make it GPL and still earn does the the LA/FA world really need another mediocre daw? we already have Muse, RoseGarden, JoKosher, QTractor, Traverso, and Ardour. of course this is nothing compared to the duplication among single-track wave-editors.. all the while, Ardour and probably none of the others can play back 48khz files in a 44.1 project or use heterogenous source formats without arduous pre-import conversion tasks, can barely sequence MIDI and can't sequence OSC at all, offers no realtime timestretch/loop/tempo-warp facilities, edit-preserving instantaneous in-place bouncedown (aka "freeze"), run on windows, automatically restore state of all utilized standalone instruments, export project in a generic format which can be used in another DAW (say Qtractor if your GTKMM is giving you shit today), quick 'midi learn' and 'draw envelopes on anything' GUI features, workflow-improving metadata-enhanced patch/preset/project browsing, etc. if youre a good programmer, i'd want to attack those, by good i mean, good enough to get a google summer of code and/or some consulting gigs out of it. even at the basic entry level, youll have made as much money as selling ~100 copies of your program, which i am questioning whether you'll do otherwise, and help out the rest of us for perpetuity.. > Amiga rules, btw... i remeber a kid in school in 1989 telling me how cool Amiga was, but i never got around to using one. he was talking about DAWs with built-in samplers, voisualization, and other cool things that we are still struggling to recreate over 15 years later ;) From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sat Aug 19 13:11:26 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sat Aug 19 13:11:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <35db0760167.748d3b47@smtp.wanadoo.nl> References: <35db0760167.748d3b47@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Message-ID: <44E7463E.2060202@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Davy Wentzler schrieb: > Hello Ismael, > >> Are we talking of a closed sourced commercial app or an open sourced >> one? > Closed source. If you want to sell closed sofware for Linux, you need to offer something, that is not available yet and not too likely to be developed soon as free software. The only thing that i see right now to fit such a description in the audioscene would be an all-in-one suite with features like this: absolute 100% stability advanced interoperability (plugins including VST, jack, fileformats import/export etc) unlimited audio and midi-tracks both destructive and none-destructive Wave-editing, (a decent scoreeditor would be nice) total recall including plugins good usability allowing fast and standardcompliant access to every feature very good documentation easy standalone installation (open source progs can rely on lots of dependencies for they can use the packagemanagement-system, commercial software should install as known on MS-Win from a single click-installationfile) There is no open-source audioapp today, that has all of these features, so this could be your chance. As I see on your website, your app apeares to have no midi-tracks. If you want to sell some copies for Linux, a bare Waveeditor should be as powerfull as.... say - Samplitude at least. For a native Linux-Samplitude i would maybe even pay about 100,- Euros or so (though I think, that magix sells them for about 400....). Another chance could be a OEM-Deal with M-Audio - their Delta-Cards are great for Linux and they maybe could consider to have a Linuxapp in their bundle... some day.... good luck and best regards Z -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE50Y+1Aecwva1SWMRArqGAJ4gilXPJ/bT3d6Z4JWj9D86U+EYUACdE1IF XaCp87yhD3X6jqt2nBNyWG0= =yd5g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From _ at whats-your.name Sat Aug 19 13:23:51 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sat Aug 19 13:24:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <44E7463E.2060202@linuxuse.de> References: <35db0760167.748d3b47@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <44E7463E.2060202@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <20060819172351.GB16899@replic.net> > bare Waveeditor should be as powerfull as.... say - Samplitude at least. > For a native Linux-Samplitude i would maybe even pay about 100,- Euros > or so (though I think, that magix sells them for about 400....). they sell a Samplitude for linux? pretty much every item on my list that no linux DAW has, is from Samplitude (Ableton Live covers the same ground, with a prettier GUI, and possibly lacking the transparent realtime source format conversion), i'd definitely pay to upgrade my copy to Linux if there was a version available, since it will be 3-7 years before ardour has all the conveniences, in my estimation, based on the fact that its currently at the point where Mac/Win DAWs were around 1999...in every way except a few strong points like being open source, and supporting JACK.. From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sat Aug 19 14:08:21 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sat Aug 19 14:08:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <20060819172351.GB16899@replic.net> References: <35db0760167.748d3b47@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <44E7463E.2060202@linuxuse.de> <20060819172351.GB16899@replic.net> Message-ID: <44E75395.1030208@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 carmen schrieb: >> bare Waveeditor should be as powerfull as.... say - Samplitude at least. >> For a native Linux-Samplitude i would maybe even pay about 100,- Euros >> or so (though I think, that magix sells them for about 400....). > > they sell a Samplitude for linux? pretty much every item on my list that no linux Well... they do not - but if they would.... I had the latest demo from magix running on wine with some minor problems (needs about a minute to start, 3 more minutes to bring up the file-open-window, some stabilityissues) but wine is not an option if i shall pay for a music app to run on Linux. The thing I miss the most in ardour is a well-integrated destructive editor, only pluginautomationcurves cannot do the same as having a sample manipulated real hard with curved pitchchanges, good audiorestauration for problematic samples and as many FX applied as wanted. This and live - timestreching (with the option to have it streched pitchneutral or not) for single samples built into ardour (and maybe some miditracksupport) and i never mention any proprietary app again ;-) best regards Z -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE51OV1Aecwva1SWMRAkPYAJ9U8fQn0ZbmXkOuUQN6yZLsOzqOUwCfRIfR w9DGzYVz3WhD9xBVKMY9UlI= =9Ttw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sat Aug 19 14:21:01 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sat Aug 19 14:34:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <35db0760167.748d3b47@smtp.wanadoo.nl> References: <35db0760167.748d3b47@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Message-ID: <1156011661.28217.2.camel@eviltwin> On Sat, 2006-08-19 at 17:12 +0200, Davy Wentzler wrote: > Hello Ismael, > > > Are we talking of a closed sourced commercial app or an open sourced > > one? > Closed source. > > > BTW I think GTK is OK for a multiplatform, app, check out the GIMP, > > Gajim and many others. > I chose wxWidgets, and it uses GTK (2?) as a back-end on Linux. > Qt is much better than wxWidgets. Unfortunately, for your use in a closed source package, you'd have to pay for the license in order to keep your product closed. On the bright side, it's a one-shot, developer license so there are no further royalties or fees for distributing the libraries with your product. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From lau at kudla.org Sat Aug 19 15:02:23 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Sat Aug 19 15:11:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <1156011661.28217.2.camel@eviltwin> References: <35db0760167.748d3b47@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <1156011661.28217.2.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <200608191502.24407.lau@kudla.org> On Sat August 19 2006 14:21, Jan Depner wrote: > Qt is much better than wxWidgets. Unfortunately, for your > use in a closed source package, you'd have to pay for the Qt may be "better", but at this point it would require a rewrite.... if you look at his original post, it includes a screenshot of a working Windows version. wx is free, even for proprietary software, and lets you write Windows and Mac ports with native UI's. Qt may let you do those things, and I personally much prefer it over wx for my own coding, but it would not only cost him like $1100, it would require he rewrite his app a second time. Rob From lau at kudla.org Sat Aug 19 15:32:51 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Sat Aug 19 15:34:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <35dab3f017a.6509a981@smtp.wanadoo.nl> References: <35dab3f017a.6509a981@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Message-ID: <200608191532.52410.lau@kudla.org> On Sat August 19 2006 05:16, Davy Wentzler wrote: > Now comes the big question: since this is commercial software > (with a price between 35 and 45 euro), would it be worth the > effort to release it on Linux? I think most Linux users are > used to open-source and free programs and I saw some already > nice looking programs like Ardour and MuSe. I would like to > hear from you if there would be any interest? Though I left the Amiga world over 12 years ago, I'm glad to see developers with Amiga roots still around. I think you would see more interest in a Linux version of your app than the reactions of people on this list (who are already using free softare) might lead you to believe. For example, MainConcept has been publishing a Linux version of their proprietary video editor for almost a decade, which they wouldn't be doing if it were a money loser. Here is what I would do if I were in your position: 1. Develop your app to be as user-friendly and well-documented as possible. 2. Test and test and test until it's stable as anything, since your users won't be able to debug it themselves (and users who can debug code aren't your target market anyway.) People posting in Linux forums for help on proprietary software are seldom given a lot of help, and will more often hear "Dump that crap and switch to _________". In this case, that would be Ardour. 3. Make a deal with Linspire to be featured prominently in their "click-n-run warehouse". This will require making a clean .deb package, though I guess it's possible Linspire might handle that for you... I've never tried to sell prepackaged Linux software. If your program is as stable as Ardour but more user friendly, yet has the same pro-level features, some Linspire users will buy it for $39.99. Not many of them, but I'm guessing enough to make back your time investment and give you a bullet point ("crossplatform") on your list of features. Then there will be a ton of shrieking on this list and others about how Linspire is pitching some proprietary software instead of Ardour and "why don't these users know any better?" But you'll have users and a business relationship by then. I personally can't see myself using it, but again, I'm not your target market. That would be (a) non-technical users, (b) people who dislike Ardour's rather unique interface, (c) people who want easy crossplatform HDR, and (d) musicians buying on impulse, as many of us do. The only way to reach them with proprietary software under Linux is through Linspire, since I've never been in any retail store that sold shrinkwrapped Linux DAW software of any kind and any software sold electronically to non-technical users that requires them to open a console to install it is probably doomed to fail. (Linspire plans on offering their "warehouse" to Ubuntu users in the future as well, though I can barely imagine the screaming that will entail.) I would encourage you to target OS X since there are more audio users on there by far, but due to GarageBand you'd be like Netscape trying to sell a browser to people used to getting IE preinstalled on their computers. It doesn't matter if your program is way more powerful, you're at a huge disadvantage coming out of the gate. Rob From _ at whats-your.name Sat Aug 19 15:46:28 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sat Aug 19 15:47:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <200608191532.52410.lau@kudla.org> References: <35dab3f017a.6509a981@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <200608191532.52410.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <20060819194628.GC17121@replic.net> > I think you would see more interest in a Linux version of your > app than the reactions of people on this list (who are already > using free softare) might lead you to believe. For example, > MainConcept has been publishing a Linux version of their > proprietary video editor well right. if you want to include video and 3d, how about MAYA, XSI, and jsut about all the other leading tools. its just theres been no proprietary AUDIO stuff that has been successful on linux. among people who pay for audio software, the market is porably 70% mac, 30% windows, or something. among people who use audio software, its proably more like 70% pc, 30% mac... id love to see some one pretty big (i mean sonar, protools, logic, cubase, reason, ableton, nativeinstruments) come out with something for linux, since others would likely follow soon after (and i can get my beloved samplitude back faster than i can wait for ardour to catch up or hack together libardour with libsooperlooper and write a custom GUI to do what i want). if ubuntu uptake continues to make headway, this is a possibility. especially ableton and NI have virtualy abstracted away the platform's role in the GUI and DSP so it would be trivial, if the market was there.. From idragosani at gmail.com Sat Aug 19 16:05:34 2006 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett W. McCoy) Date: Sat Aug 19 16:05:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <20060819194628.GC17121@replic.net> References: <35dab3f017a.6509a981@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <200608191532.52410.lau@kudla.org> <20060819194628.GC17121@replic.net> Message-ID: <18b65aac0608191305h7e548481k2dccdd8d9a75c040@mail.gmail.com> On 8/19/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > id love to see some one pretty big (i mean sonar, protools, logic, cubase, reason, > ableton, nativeinstruments) come out with something for linux, since others would likely > follow soon after (and i can get my beloved samplitude back faster than i can wait for > ardour to catch up or hack together libardour with libsooperlooper and write a custom GUI > to do what i want). if ubuntu uptake continues to make headway, this is a possibility. > especially ableton and NI have virtualy abstracted away the platform's role in the GUI and > DSP so it would be trivial, if the market was there.. What is really needed on Linux isn't another DAW, it's a decent sampler... Linux Sampler is still lacking many features (and has restrictions on commercial production), and things like soundfonts are pretty weak as far as modern sampling technology goes. I'd like to see something like Kontakt, SampleTank, GigaStudio, etc. on Linux... I still have to use Windows for this kind of stuff, as I haven't found anything on Linux that comes close. As far as DAWs go, though, Ardour + Rosegarden is hands down my favorite. I occasionaly use Finale and Sonar on Windows (on my laptop, to play with compositional ideas), but even these two combined don't let me do what I can do with Rosegarden & Ardour -- Finale has more composing features than Rosegarden, but sucks as a MIDI editor. Cakewalk has good MIDI features, but sucks for composing and the interface sucks also (I prefer the multi-window way Ardour works rather than the MDI way Cakewalk works). And doing inter-application MIDI on Windows is a real suck... using JACK has quite spoiled me! -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sat Aug 19 18:43:23 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sat Aug 19 18:43:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mplayerplugin. Can it use Alsa? Message-ID: <200608200043.23685.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> I lam listening to RTL radio.fr. It uses Realplayer for previous (listen again) transmissions, but uses WMP for live audio streams. I gave up on trying to get any version of WMP working under Wine, but Mplayerplugin is working ok, but appears to be using OSS, as does RealPlayer. Mplayer is setup to use Alsa, but Mplayerplugin's /etc/mplayerplugin.conf indicates defaults for aRts, esd, and oss. Does anyone know if it actually is supposed to work with Alsa. I tried adding Alsa "ao=alsa" , but then Firefox connecting to the RTL site, and clicking the "listen live" button resulted in some buffering, but then it just stopped (no more traffic), which seems to indicate that Alsa is a no-go with Mplayerplugin. I use aoss with Opera to listen to bbc.co.uk/radio4, using the RealPlayer plugin, but there is some crackling on top of the speech when using aoss, but I can use Gaim at the same time, and receive Gaim's sounds. Soundcard is Ensoniq PCI (ens1371 driver) (No hardware mixing) Although I can't use other music apps at the same time, I must say that the Mplayerplugin using "mplayerplug-in-wmp.so" works really well with RTL radio.fr, listening to live music. I've had no audio dropouts like I get with the BBC using realplayers nphelix.so. Any suggestions with the Mplayerplugin, and Alsa problem welcome. Nigel. From _ at whats-your.name Sat Aug 19 19:13:53 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sat Aug 19 19:13:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mplayerplugin. Can it use Alsa? In-Reply-To: <200608200043.23685.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200608200043.23685.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20060819231353.GA17736@replic.net> On Sun Aug 20, 2006 at 12:43:23AM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote: > I lam listening to RTL radio.fr. It uses Realplayer for previous (listen > again) transmissions, but uses WMP for live audio streams. I gave up on > trying to get any version of WMP working under Wine, but Mplayerplugin is > working ok, but appears to be using OSS, as does RealPlayer. > > Mplayer is setup to use Alsa, but Mplayerplugin's /etc/mplayerplugin.conf > indicates defaults for aRts, esd, and oss. Does anyone know if it actually > is supposed to work with Alsa. yep. works great here. although i recently switched to ao=jack since jackd 1.0.2 no longer segfaultks with divide by zero errors in the alsa-interface callback every 5 minutes like previous versions. fwiw, every line in my /etc/mplayerplug-in.conf is commented out, so its just using whatever is in /etc/mplayer.conf. which makes getting audio running smoothly easy to debug. note also, that WMV and RealMedia are supported in recent versions of FFMPEG. so update that, and your mplayer, and you cna proably remove your proprietary codecs...which could possibly improve playback reliability..since its not using a hacked dlopen and weird pointer tricks to run windows binaries... From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sat Aug 19 19:38:25 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sat Aug 19 19:38:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mplayerplugin. Can it use Alsa? In-Reply-To: <20060819231353.GA17736@replic.net> References: <200608200043.23685.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20060819231353.GA17736@replic.net> Message-ID: <200608200138.25684.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 20 August 2006 01:13, carmen wrote: > On Sun Aug 20, 2006 at 12:43:23AM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote: > > I lam listening to RTL radio.fr. It uses Realplayer for previous (listen > > again) transmissions, but uses WMP for live audio streams. I gave up on > > trying to get any version of WMP working under Wine, but Mplayerplugin is > > working ok, but appears to be using OSS, as does RealPlayer. > > > > Mplayer is setup to use Alsa, but Mplayerplugin's /etc/mplayerplugin.conf > > indicates defaults for aRts, esd, and oss. Does anyone know if it > > actually is supposed to work with Alsa. > > yep. works great here. although i recently switched to ao=jack since jackd > 1.0.2 no longer segfaultks with divide by zero errors in the alsa-interface > callback every 5 minutes like previous versions. > > fwiw, every line in my /etc/mplayerplug-in.conf is commented out, so its > just using whatever is in /etc/mplayer.conf. which makes getting audio > running smoothly easy to debug. > > note also, that WMV and RealMedia are supported in recent versions of > FFMPEG. so update that, and your mplayer, and you cna proably remove your > proprietary codecs...which could possibly improve playback > reliability..since its not using a hacked dlopen and weird pointer tricks > to run windows binaries... Thanks Carmen. I'll have a look at that tomorow. It's getting a bit late here now, and my brains feeling a bit fried. My jack-audio-connection-kit on FC2 is only version-0.99.36-0.2.cvs.rhfc2.ccrma, so perhaps I may have problems with that. Are these denormals problems you are talking about that are causing the jackd segfaults? I'll also have a good look at Mplayer to make sure it's using Alsa. The version I have installed is MPlayer-1.0pre7try2.tar.bz2. I'll look for an update for it, and also for FFMPEG. Nigel. From chris at mccormick.cx Sun Aug 20 06:27:30 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Sun Aug 20 06:29:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re: Commercial audio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: <20060819170544.GA16899@replic.net> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <44E6F8E2.8050608@broadpark.no> <20060819170544.GA16899@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 05:05:44PM +0000, carmen wrote: > of course this is nothing compared to the duplication among single-track wave-editors.. What single track wave editors are you guys using? I use sweep when I want to do simple wave editing of recorded samples, but I'm curious about what others I might not have heard about. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sun Aug 20 07:25:03 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sun Aug 20 07:25:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re: Commercial audio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <44E6F8E2.8050608@broadpark.no> <20060819170544.GA16899@replic.net> <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <44E8468F.8050205@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chris McCormick schrieb: > What single track wave editors are you guys using? I use sweep when I I use qarecord if i want to record only a stereotrack and ardour for everything else. To edit i use mhwaveedit: https://gna.org/projects/mhwaveedit/ for standardjobs like extracting larger chunks from recordings, normalizing etc. - mhw is fast, looks nice and has 100%-perfect jackd-support. to cut loops and to apply FX etc. i still prefer rezound: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=5056 it has some issues with the graphic interface and does not integrate as perfectly as mhw into jackd but still it has the best and most comfortable interface for exact cutting and manipulating soundfiles i know. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE6EaP1Aecwva1SWMRAm1YAJ9Xr6PMlsgFN6SXl2GtXDXPSiIalgCfeJQ1 rV9MRPpz3daQV4MFgmpO0QA= =/ta1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fbar at footils.org Sun Aug 20 07:38:34 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Aug 20 07:39:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re: Commercial audio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <44E6F8E2.8050608@broadpark.no> <20060819170544.GA16899@replic.net> <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <20060820113834.GJ20481@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote: > On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 05:05:44PM +0000, carmen wrote: > > of course this is nothing compared to the duplication among single-track wave-editors.. > > What single track wave editors are you guys using? I use sweep when I > want to do simple wave editing of recorded samples, but I'm curious > about what others I might not have heard about. Nothing beats Snd. Not even on Windows. Also runs inside Pd. ;) Besides that there is Audacity, which I'm not particulary fond of however, and there is Rezound, which is wonderful for cutting loops because it has very good intuitive play-selection-as-loop functions. Can Sweep open big soundfiles now? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Aug 20 08:00:44 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Aug 20 07:42:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re: Commercial audio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <44E6F8E2.8050608@broadpark.no> <20060819170544.GA16899@replic.net> <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> Chris McCormick wrote: >What single track wave editors are you guys using? I use sweep when I >want to do simple wave editing of recorded samples, but I'm curious >about what others I might not have heard about. > > Hi Chris: I've been a mad fan of Snd for many years, but recently I've been calling up ReZound for bread & butter edits. I like the GUI, edit operations are reasonably quick even on my 800 MHz machine, and it supports JACK and LADSPA. Btw, most of my edits are simple, i.e. trim excess silence, muting noisy areas, normalizing, adding reverb, etc. I'm not straining the program. Btw, it appears that ReZound development is on hiatus. AFAICT there's been no work on it since last year. :( Best, dp From ggrubbish at web.de Sun Aug 20 10:54:35 2006 From: ggrubbish at web.de (Gerhard =?iso-8859-1?q?Gau=DFling?=) Date: Sun Aug 20 10:50:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recommended soundcard similar to ESI juli@ Message-ID: <200608201654.37610.ggrubbish@web.de> Hello, I use a crappy nforce audio onboard sound. With that I'm not able to get low latencies (I'm now at 180 ms, and still get xruns, delay exceeds and some times x-server nvidia-glx (?) crashes, although I applied Ingo Molnars patch for complete rt capabilities on amd64 dapper). Now I want to get a new audio card with harddisk recording, midi, and midi capabilities and DA/Spdif. I had a look on the ESI Juli@, M-Audio Audiophile 2496, EMU 1212M, and I would prefer the Juli@, but I don't know how good is the card support in alsa. I read the changelog of 2.6.12-rc1 by Jaroslav Kysela suse.cz> http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.12-rc1 use.cz> [ALSA] Added ICE1724 - ESI Juli@ code (not complete) + AK4114 code + AK4358 Serial BUS drivers,AK4114 receiver,AK4XXX AD/DA converters ICE1712 driver,ICE1724 driver Initial incomplete driver for ESI Juli@ cardcards based on ICE1724, AK4114, AK4358 and AK5385. The ICE1724 and ICE1712 main files plus some drivers are also updated (cleanups and new callbacks). Signed-off-by: Jaroslav Kysela suse.cz> I also read some messages, that the Juli@ is not very good supported yet. Does somebody have experience with that card, or can somebody suggest an other card for medium hobbyist/semi-pro requirements? Kind regards Gerhard Gau?ling From dsbaikov at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 12:24:09 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Sun Aug 20 12:24:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recommended soundcard similar to ESI juli@ In-Reply-To: <200608201654.37610.ggrubbish@web.de> References: <200608201654.37610.ggrubbish@web.de> Message-ID: <70a871c80608200924h40647de9h9cedd18b29a14c6b@mail.gmail.com> > suggest an other card for medium hobbyist/semi-pro requirements? M-Audio Delta66 works perfect, not a single problem for 2 years. Regards, Dmitry. From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sun Aug 20 14:52:13 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun Aug 20 14:52:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mplayerplugin. Can it use Alsa? In-Reply-To: <20060819231353.GA17736@replic.net> References: <200608200043.23685.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20060819231353.GA17736@replic.net> Message-ID: <200608202052.13753.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 20 August 2006 01:13, carmen wrote: > On Sun Aug 20, 2006 at 12:43:23AM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote: > > I lam listening to RTL radio.fr. It uses Realplayer for previous (listen > > again) transmissions, but uses WMP for live audio streams. I gave up on > > trying to get any version of WMP working under Wine, but Mplayerplugin is > > working ok, but appears to be using OSS, as does RealPlayer. > > > > Mplayer is setup to use Alsa, but Mplayerplugin's /etc/mplayerplugin.conf > > indicates defaults for aRts, esd, and oss. Does anyone know if it > > actually is supposed to work with Alsa. > > yep. works great here. although i recently switched to ao=jack since jackd > 1.0.2 no longer segfaultks with divide by zero errors in the alsa-interface > callback every 5 minutes like previous versions. > > fwiw, every line in my /etc/mplayerplug-in.conf is commented out, so its > just using whatever is in /etc/mplayer.conf. which makes getting audio > running smoothly easy to debug. > > note also, that WMV and RealMedia are supported in recent versions of > FFMPEG. so update that, and your mplayer, and you cna proably remove your > proprietary codecs...which could possibly improve playback > reliability..since its not using a hacked dlopen and weird pointer tricks > to run windows binaries... Update from last night: Rechecked Mplayer, and made sure that it's using Alsa. I'd previously messed with the Alsa config options on Mplayer, but I've now left them as default, and can use Mplayer at the same time as Mhwaveedit (which uses Alsa) is playing an .ogg file. So far so good. Opening Firefox, and starting the live audio stream from RTL runs fine, but now Mhwaveedit tells me that the cards busy. Back into /etc/mplayerplugin.conf. I'd added the line: ao=alsa #added by me This was obviously wrong as the comment was on the same line, so I changed this to: ao=alsa Now I can play a live audio stream from RTL radio.fr using mplayerplug-in-wmp.so, at the same time as playing an .ogg file through Mhwaveedit. Incidentally. When I could not play both at once, ps auxw showed 2 instances of Mplayer, but no mention of Alsa. Since I added the "ao=alsa" line to /etc/mplayerplugin.conf, I now have in ps auxw, 3 instances of Mplayer, and all displaying "-ao alsa". I'm about to look at FFMPEG, which I don't have installed on FC2. Thanks for your help. Nigel. From yves_p at nnx.com Sun Aug 20 18:10:05 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Sun Aug 20 18:10:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <45192.127.0.0.1.1155898723.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> <20060816163110.285c3787@mistral.stie> <43824.127.0.0.1.1155804175.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> <20060818101429.GB2721@localhost> <45192.127.0.0.1.1155898723.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060820221005.GC2721@localhost> Le 18 Aug ? 11:58, Michael Pacey ecrivait: > Do you use the pro-audio overlay? I was, with rt-sources 2.6.16-29rt I > think, and had very regular lockups, just starting rosegarden for > instance, and zynaddsubfx falling over after playing a few notes. I use the pro-audio overlay only for some apps, then I inactivate it in the make.conf file and I use the package.provided file for these softs not to be seen when upgrading normally the rest of the softs. I use the stable branch of gentoo and ~x86 in the package.keywords file, and I avoid as much as I can using cvs versions. Also, I haven't had any problem of stability, especially with Zyn. For the kernel, I use a vanilla one, from kernel.org, that I patch myself (Ingo Molnar's patch, and only this one). IMHO, the problems you encounter seems to have nothing to do with the Tyan motherboard... Cheers, Y. From seablaede at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 21:09:09 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sun Aug 20 20:04:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64-bit AMD dual core mobo recommendations ? In-Reply-To: <43824.127.0.0.1.1155804175.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> References: <20060813101039.2592f633@mistral.stie> <20060813153417.GB18534@replic.net> <8d27a0610608140540o471d4ac4r53b63dda44902126@mail.gmail.com> <20060816163110.285c3787@mistral.stie> <43824.127.0.0.1.1155804175.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <44E907B5.6010708@gmail.com> > My vendor had to install a beta BIOS in order to get ethernet working on > Ubuntu 6.06. Sounds like a problem with the Kernel Ubuntu uses, Ill have to check it sometime as I certainly didnt do this and got a K8WE right when they were released. My ethernet is working fine with the forcedeth driver, though I havent tested it at gigabit speeds yet. For the record I only have a single chip in it now, looking to upgrade to twin dual cores, but works great for me with an NVidia card and RME HDSP 96/32, <3mS latency with no problems, I could probably push it farther but dont really have a need to. Seablade From perodog at gmx.net Mon Aug 21 08:52:24 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Mon Aug 21 08:51:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] QLoud updated up v.0.6 In-Reply-To: <200608130143.00779@goldspace.net> References: <200608130143.00779@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <44E9AC88.2050102@gmx.net> Andrew Gaydenko wrote: > QLoud is a tool to measure loudspeaker frequency response. Find it here: > > http://gaydenko.com/qloud/ > > Changes: > > - IR (Impulse Response) power plotting is added (with an appropriate screeshot), > - few minor issues are fixed. > > Direct screenshot links: > > - main window with few SPL plots: http://gaydenko.com/qloud/screenshots/short01.png > - IR-power plot: http://gaydenko.com/qloud/screenshots/short02.png > > > Andrew > > > hi andrew, if the version 0.6 is equivalent to 0.11 as i found on the website, than everything builds + runs good! cheers, doc From a at gaydenko.com Mon Aug 21 09:20:51 2006 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Mon Aug 21 09:21:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] QLoud is updated up to v.0.11 In-Reply-To: <44E9AC88.2050102@gmx.net> References: <200608130143.00779@goldspace.net> <44E9AC88.2050102@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200608211720.51408@goldspace.net> Dragan, Thanks for your info! In comparison with v.0.6 a couple of memory leaks and few minor issues were fixed (as some speed up in some place). I don't keep old versions on the 'download' dir, supposing last version is the best :-) Andrew ======= On Monday 21 August 2006 16:52, Dragan Noveski wrote: ======= hi andrew, if the version 0.6 is equivalent to 0.11 as i found on the website, than everything builds + runs good! cheers, doc From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Aug 21 10:11:48 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Aug 21 10:12:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <20060819170544.GA16899@replic.net> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <44E6F8E2.8050608@broadpark.no> <20060819170544.GA16899@replic.net> Message-ID: <1156169509.10635.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-08-19 at 17:05 +0000, carmen wrote: > all the while, Ardour and probably none of the others can play back > 48khz files in a 44.1 project or use heterogenous source formats > without arduous pre-import conversion tasks, can barely sequence MIDI > and can't sequence OSC at all, offers no realtime > timestretch/loop/tempo-warp facilities, edit-preserving instantaneous > in-place bouncedown (aka "freeze"), run on windows, automatically > restore state of all utilized standalone instruments, export project > in a generic format which can be used in another DAW (say Qtractor if > your GTKMM is giving you shit today), quick 'midi learn' and 'draw > envelopes on anything' GUI features, workflow-improving metadata- > enhanced patch/preset/project browsing, etc. lets cover these one by one, in reverse order: 1) workflow issues with patch/preset/project browsing unclear what you mean here. 2) draw envelopes on anything not sure what this means either, but ardour will let you manually draw envelopes for any plugin parameter, gain and panning. we do have a design issue with how to draw panning for N>=2 in / N>= 2 out tracks. you can also draw envelopes on individual regions. our envelope drawing is not so hot, but i am not sure what other things you want to draw envelopes for that you can't do so already. 3) quick "midi learn" ctrl-middle click on any knob or fader. operate MIDI controller device. done. 4) session export facilities AES-31 support is on its way, as well as commercial support for ProTools compatible session export via AAF. but there are no 100% portable session formats - even digi managed to manipulate AAF so that they cannot load many AAF sessions. the open source world has absolutely zero leverage over this stuff - we either use existing "standards" or its not worth doing at all. meanwhile, ardour session files are human readable XML; it took one programmer a day or two to figure how to translate it into AAF. 5) restore state of external instruments this is where LASH fits in. the more s/w that supports LASH, the better this will work. internal instruments, of course, are just plugins, and handled already. 6) run on windows the ardour project has no comment on this at this time. 7) in-place instantaneous bounce ("freeze") right click in a track, select "Freeze" from context menu. it can't be instantaneous since by definition it has to write a new audio file. 8) realtime loop manipulation guilty as charged 9) sequence MIDI and/or OSC MIDI recording and playback is now operational in ardour2.0's MIDI branch c/o dave robillard's SoC2006 project. 10) playback heterogenous source format just use "embed" not "import" and ardour will playback any file that libsndfile can handle, at any SR (no SRC though) 11) automatic realtime SRC it was a design decision not to support this. contrast to digital performer, which allows you to create regions from files at the wrong SR but then simply doesn't play them at all (they are always silent). its far from clear what the best solution is here - the right answer is probably more choices and more choices are the hardest thing to offer users properly and usefully. From jh at brainiac.com Mon Aug 21 10:16:47 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Mon Aug 21 10:16:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <1156169509.10635.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <44E6F8E2.8050608@broadpark.no> <20060819170544.GA16899@replic.net> <1156169509.10635.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060821101647.7bb952e9.jh@brainiac.com> On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:11:48 -0400 Paul Davis wrote: > 6) run on windows > > the ardour project has no comment on this at this time. Sorry, I just had to add mu $0.02: Wouldn't running Ardour on Windoze be like putting a Ferrari engine in a Yugo? -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From drucer99 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 11:02:42 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Mon Aug 21 11:02:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Linux audio software (ReBirth clone?) Message-ID: <20060821150242.57758.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Anyone tried this interesting looking Linux audio software? It looks like it's ReBirth clone or something. Never heard of it before although I've been watching Linux audio discussions closely. http://linux1.no/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1684 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gregwilder at gregwilder.com Mon Aug 21 11:13:51 2006 From: gregwilder at gregwilder.com (Greg Wilder) Date: Mon Aug 21 11:14:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Linux audio software (ReBirth clone?) In-Reply-To: <20060821150242.57758.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060821150242.57758.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200608211113.51601.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> On Monday 21 August 2006 11:02 am, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone tried this interesting looking Linux audio > software? It looks like it's ReBirth clone or > something. Never heard of it before although I've been > watching Linux audio discussions closely. > > http://linux1.no/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1684 Reborn was released back in 2002 by these guys: http://www.deadvirgins.org.uk/ Last I knew, they were threatened by Propellerhead Software (makers of Rebirth http://www.propellerheads.se/) and forced to withdraw it. Propellerhead discontinued Rebirth in 2005 (http://www.rebirthmuseum.com/). Greg From mprims at skynet.be Mon Aug 21 11:29:52 2006 From: mprims at skynet.be (mik) Date: Mon Aug 21 11:28:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Linux audio software (ReBirth clone?) In-Reply-To: <20060821150242.57758.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060821150242.57758.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44E9D170.6090204@skynet.be> Drucer Ninetynine schreef: > Hi, > > Anyone tried this interesting looking Linux audio > software? It looks like it's ReBirth clone or > something. Never heard of it before although I've been > watching Linux audio discussions closely. > > http://linux1.no/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1684 > you can download it from that page. it runs out of the box. m -- http://www.mprims.net From jri at broadpark.no Mon Aug 21 12:05:11 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Mon Aug 21 12:05:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Linux audio software (ReBirth clone?) In-Reply-To: <20060821150242.57758.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060821150242.57758.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44E9D9B7.5070204@broadpark.no> Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone tried this interesting looking Linux audio > software? It looks like it's ReBirth clone or > something. Never heard of it before although I've been > watching Linux audio discussions closely. > > http://linux1.no/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1684 Thanks! Running great here on Ubuntu! I'm using jacklaunch aswell to get the signal into jack, and it seems it works perfectly :) -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From _ at whats-your.name Mon Aug 21 12:17:11 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Mon Aug 21 12:17:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <1156169509.10635.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <44E6F8E2.8050608@broadpark.no> <20060819170544.GA16899@replic.net> <1156169509.10635.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060821161711.GC24356@replic.net> > lets cover these one by one, in reverse order: thank you for the run-down. sounds like i need to dig deeper and try out a recent version. in case it wasnt apparent, my list was meant to suggest an aspiring developer to consider making a great tool even better, rather than reinvent from scratch and solve problems which have already been solved.. > > 1) workflow issues with patch/preset/project browsing my bias is towards post-production/editing environmnent. eg polishing audiofile dumps from pd, chuck, or remixing, rather than pure recording. in these kind of sitautions, an inbuilt browser for files (raw on disk, and 'regions' retaining tempo-remapping/plugins/etc), ladspa presets. im sort of torn here whether i want to learn GTK/C(++?) and help out. or wait for client-server seperation and build this GUI in python or something. since it doesnt need to be realtime and includes grabbing files and metadata over the web. and perhaps you dont want your app bloated with this stuff anways, but it has made things like Ableton and FL Studio much more usable, for windows users, if that says anything (proably not) > 6) run on windows aside from jack working with portaudio, and pa and gtk2 running fine on windows, and jackd and ardour mostly compiling out of the box in minGW . yeah. i didnt want to rewrite the IPC stuff needed for jackd to actually launch and run properly, and im sure it would be a disgusting task :) > 10) playback heterogenous source format > 11) automatic realtime SRC > > it was a design decision not to support this. contrast to digital > performer, which allows you to create regions from files at the wrong SR > but then simply doesn't play them at all (they are always silent). its > far from clear what the best solution is here some nameless Windows DAWs have taken the approach of, provide a realtime resampler for monitoring, and substitute in a higher-quality resampler during offline bounce (freewheel). so you are working at 96000, and want to use some 44100 files, it just timestretches them by 0.459375. opening up region properties and you can then adjust this number.. since my accumulation of audio files spans the gamut of samplerates and i often want to use several existing pieces at once, this is somethign i'd be willing to sponsor, when im in a position to do so... otherwise, wow.. i need to try out the app before pretending it has these limits ;) thanks, c From _ at whats-your.name Mon Aug 21 12:19:38 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Mon Aug 21 12:19:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsaplayer - maintainer wanted Message-ID: <20060821161938.GD24356@replic.net> > > Alsaplayer will soon be removed from portage: > > > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143402 > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143742 > > > > I like it very much to play with audio cd. Is it some other cd player > > that have the possibility to change the speed of the playback both > > fordward and backward in a linear fashion as alsaplayer can do? > > > > If not, I suggest at we keep it in the overlay tree. Maybe add a warning > > in the ebuild as what at it can crash sometime and at it is not > > recommended to use it as a sound player for a browser. > > agreed. i use it because it has excellent incomplete-file handling (eg from a browser or streamripper) and a native JACK support. why are they removing it. just becuse it hasnt had an updated isnce 2004 or somethign? silly... > Not only. It have a few bugs and it is not maintened upstream anymore. If you look at the alsaplayer devel email list, one of the last message (2006-05-28) was from a debian guy that send patches to correct some bugs and they don't even made the change in the cvs. Those patches are incorporated in the debian version, so they must be safe and well tested. Maybe at we can incorporate those fixes in our ebuild. What is silly is at the first place at a so good program is not maintened. Dominique From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Aug 21 12:43:22 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Aug 21 12:24:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Linux audio software (ReBirth clone?) In-Reply-To: <20060821150242.57758.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060821150242.57758.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44E9E2AA.3070709@woh.rr.com> Drucer Ninetynine wrote: >Anyone tried this interesting looking Linux audio >software? It looks like it's ReBirth clone or >something. Never heard of it before although I've been >watching Linux audio discussions closely. > >http://linux1.no/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1684 > > IIRC Propellerheads sent a nice message to the author and told him to cease & desist. Note that the binary dates from three years ago. I'm curious to learn whether this bundle has David Singer's approval. Best, dp From drucer99 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 12:35:19 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Mon Aug 21 12:35:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Linux audio software (ReBirth clone?) In-Reply-To: <44E9E2AA.3070709@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060821163519.33316.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dave Phillips wrote: > IIRC Propellerheads sent a nice message to the > author and told him to > cease & desist. Note that the binary dates from > three years ago. I'm > curious to learn whether this bundle has David > Singer's approval. Quite interesting! But I bet this Linux software would be useful to many. I wonder if it could be "liberated" now that Propellerheads have released ReBirth to public as free download. As Greg Wilder pointed, you can download it for free at: http://www.rebirthmuseum.com/ I think it would be crazy if Propellerheads would not allow the Linux clone to exist now. Should we investigate whether or not it would be possible to have Propellerheads software blessing for this Linux port now? This seems like a too good piece of audio software to be lost forever. I mean it would be really, really sad. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From _ at whats-your.name Mon Aug 21 12:44:23 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Mon Aug 21 12:44:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Linux audio software (ReBirth clone?) In-Reply-To: <20060821163519.33316.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> References: <44E9E2AA.3070709@woh.rr.com> <20060821163519.33316.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060821164423.GF24356@replic.net> > I think it would be crazy if Propellerheads would not > allow the Linux clone to exist now. how could they not allow it to exist before? did they buy exclusive rights for all future implementations of the TB-series from Roland? if not, wouldnt that word have to come from Roland? it sounds like the developer was a bit too easily intimidated anyways doesnt nekobee provide most of the same thing? From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Aug 21 13:25:23 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Aug 21 13:06:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Linux audio software (ReBirth clone?) In-Reply-To: <20060821164423.GF24356@replic.net> References: <44E9E2AA.3070709@woh.rr.com> <20060821163519.33316.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> <20060821164423.GF24356@replic.net> Message-ID: <44E9EC83.7080609@woh.rr.com> carmen wrote: >>I think it would be crazy if Propellerheads would not >>allow the Linux clone to exist now. >> >> > >how could they not allow it to exist before? did they buy exclusive rights for all future implementations of the TB-series from Roland? if not, wouldnt that word have to come from Roland? > >it sounds like the developer was a bit too easily intimidated > > The problem was in fact the copied Roland interface. Propellerheads had to pay out to Roland to use it, they weren't going to let David's program just appropriate it. Again, IIRC Propellerheads were really quite decent about it, I think they offered David a job. :) Best, dp From lars.luthman at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 13:08:29 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Mon Aug 21 13:10:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Linux audio software (ReBirth clone?) In-Reply-To: <20060821150242.57758.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060821150242.57758.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1156180109.12879.3.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 08:02 -0700, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone tried this interesting looking Linux audio > software? It looks like it's ReBirth clone or > something. Never heard of it before although I've been > watching Linux audio discussions closely. > > http://linux1.no/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1684 Not a favourite... extremely confusing sequencer interface. The synths sound OK though, too bad that it isn't open source. If it was someone could add JACK and MIDI support. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060821/e8d41244/attachment-0001.bin From jschoeni at gmx.net Mon Aug 21 13:46:47 2006 From: jschoeni at gmx.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?J=FCrgen_Sch=F6neberg?=) Date: Mon Aug 21 13:46:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Linux audio software (ReBirth clone?) In-Reply-To: <44E9D9B7.5070204@broadpark.no> References: <20060821150242.57758.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <44E9D9B7.5070204@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <200608211946.47751.jschoeni@gmx.net> thanks for the hint with "jacklaunch", I didn't know that! it works great! Jschoeni On Monday 21 August 2006 18:05, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Anyone tried this interesting looking Linux audio > > software? It looks like it's ReBirth clone or > > something. Never heard of it before although I've been > > watching Linux audio discussions closely. > > > > http://linux1.no/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1684 > > Thanks! Running great here on Ubuntu! I'm using jacklaunch aswell to get > the signal into jack, and it seems it works perfectly :) From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Aug 21 14:40:12 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Aug 21 14:41:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Commercial audio software on Linux In-Reply-To: <20060821161711.GC24356@replic.net> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <44E6F8E2.8050608@broadpark.no> <20060819170544.GA16899@replic.net> <1156169509.10635.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060821161711.GC24356@replic.net> Message-ID: <1156185612.10635.88.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 16:17 +0000, carmen wrote: > > 6) run on windows > > aside from jack working with portaudio, and pa and gtk2 running fine on windows, and jackd and ardour mostly compiling out of the box in minGW . yeah. i didnt want to rewrite the IPC stuff needed for jackd to actually launch and run properly, and im sure it would be a disgusting task :) jackdmp, stephane letz' port to C++ and in many people's views, improvement of jackd, already runs on windows. no compromises. From drucer99 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 15:59:31 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Mon Aug 21 15:59:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and RAM Message-ID: <20060821195931.24898.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Could somebody please clarify can Ardour and other Linux audio apps use RAM efficiently? What I mean by this question is - let's imagine I have 4GB of RAM - are these applications aware that "oh I see, there's a lot of RAM available, let's use it" and use RAM instead of immediately writing to disk which is slow and can cause latency issues? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From idragosani at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 16:07:02 2006 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett W. McCoy) Date: Mon Aug 21 16:07:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and RAM In-Reply-To: <20060821195931.24898.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060821195931.24898.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <18b65aac0608211307s263d24b7j4dd8e1294b346774@mail.gmail.com> On 8/21/06, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > Could somebody please clarify can Ardour and other > Linux audio apps use RAM efficiently? What I mean by > this question is - let's imagine I have 4GB of RAM - > are these applications aware that "oh I see, there's a > lot of RAM available, let's use it" and use RAM > instead of immediately writing to disk which is slow > and can cause latency issues? If you are running a realtime kernel and have a fast hard drive, I don't see where this would be an issue. I am running jack + realtime kernel + Ardour on a machine with 512MB of RAM, a firewire drive and a Delta 1010, and never have issues with the writing to disk process not being able to keep up with the audio (rarely, if ever, get xruns, either). -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Aug 21 16:31:47 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Aug 21 16:32:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and RAM In-Reply-To: <20060821195931.24898.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060821195931.24898.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1156192307.10635.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 12:59 -0700, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > Hi, > > Could somebody please clarify can Ardour and other > Linux audio apps use RAM efficiently? What I mean by > this question is - let's imagine I have 4GB of RAM - > are these applications aware that "oh I see, there's a > lot of RAM available, let's use it" and use RAM > instead of immediately writing to disk which is slow > and can cause latency issues? no multitrack recorder on any platform can write to disk "immediately". by default ardour buffers (user-configurable) 5 secs per track for both playback and capture. it will also, however, utilize the OS smarts in the sense that the OS is going to use its own buffer cache to speed up both write to disk and read-ahead from disk. so ardour doesn't try to be too smart - thats the job of the OS (at least, if the OS is smart enough to do this) - just smart enough. From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 18:35:20 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Aug 21 18:35:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and RAM In-Reply-To: <1156192307.10635.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060821195931.24898.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> <1156192307.10635.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0608211535k3ffbf57ak5eba8af3b6859d74@mail.gmail.com> On 8/21/06, Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 12:59 -0700, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Could somebody please clarify can Ardour and other > > Linux audio apps use RAM efficiently? What I mean by > > this question is - let's imagine I have 4GB of RAM - > > are these applications aware that "oh I see, there's a > > lot of RAM available, let's use it" and use RAM > > instead of immediately writing to disk which is slow > > and can cause latency issues? > > no multitrack recorder on any platform can write to disk "immediately". > by default ardour buffers (user-configurable) 5 secs per track for both > playback and capture. it will also, however, utilize the OS smarts in > the sense that the OS is going to use its own buffer cache to speed up > both write to disk and read-ahead from disk. so ardour doesn't try to be > too smart - thats the job of the OS (at least, if the OS is smart enough > to do this) - just smart enough. > Paul, I'm guessing that part of the question Drucer was asking was 'Does Ardour use only the amount of RAM it needs?' While I cannot speak for Ardour I can say from experience that some Linux audio apps are not so kind. LinuxSampler had (has?) a tendency to grab ALL memory whether it needs it or not. This made it hard to run other apps on the same machine without getting soome swapping. I don't use LS anymoe so I don't know its current state WRT doing this, however as for Ardour it's not my inclination to sy I've ever noticed Ardour doing anything like this. Cheers, Mark From hans at fugal.net Mon Aug 21 21:33:23 2006 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Mon Aug 21 21:33:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and RAM In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0608211535k3ffbf57ak5eba8af3b6859d74@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060821195931.24898.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> <1156192307.10635.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5bdc1c8b0608211535k3ffbf57ak5eba8af3b6859d74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060822013323.GC26383@falcon.fugal.net> On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 at 15:35 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Paul, > I'm guessing that part of the question Drucer was asking was 'Does > Ardour use only the amount of RAM it needs?' Actually, I got the impression that he wanted to get a warm fuzzy from someone telling him that his 4G would be utilized by the software and not go to waste. But that's generally a bad thing, and the real answer is you want the OS to make good use of your available RAM, not the software. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060821/c448bfbd/attachment.bin From drucer99 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 02:27:25 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Tue Aug 22 02:28:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour and RAM In-Reply-To: <20060822013323.GC26383@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <20060822062725.66616.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> --- Hans Fugal wrote: > On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 at 15:35 -0700, Mark Knecht > wrote: > > > > Paul, > > I'm guessing that part of the question Drucer > was asking was 'Does > > Ardour use only the amount of RAM it needs?' > > Actually, I got the impression that he wanted to get > a warm fuzzy from > someone telling him that his 4G would be utilized by > the software and > not go to waste. But that's generally a bad thing, > and the real answer > is you want the OS to make good use of your > available RAM, not the > software. Linux does this, and quite well. Hey thank you all for your replies! Yes, I had to ask this question because I wanted to know if it would make a difference if I installed some more RAM to my DAW computer. No, I don't need it now, but I'm considering getting it now anyway. Right now I have 2GB and currently I need 15-20 tracks, but I might need more tracks later. I have a dedicated box built for my DAW and I know that the hardware is not going to get obsolete (how could it?), but would like to ensure I have enough memory for the future as well (nobody knows how hard it might be to get DDR RAM after a couple of years). Unfortunately I'm not nearly as bright as most of you guys who actually program these great applications. I do not know how typical Linux applications handle memory, but it's good to know that it is OSs job to take care of most of that. Thanks for clarifying this! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From acker at indisgrace.de Tue Aug 22 06:33:50 2006 From: acker at indisgrace.de (acker@indisgrace.de) Date: Tue Aug 22 06:37:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Delta 1010LT - Alsa 1.0.11 - only Output on ch1 and 2 Message-ID: <53735.83.135.214.74.1156242830.squirrel@webmail.indisgrace.de> Hi everyone, and sorry for my bad english ;) : i have a problem using my new M-Audio Delta 1010LT Card with Debian Sid - Kernel 2.6.17-2 and Alsa 1.0.11. When playing soundfiles with XMMS (using OSS or Alsa Output plugin) i only get sound on output 1 + 2. I installed the envy24control mixer and there the monitor tab shows only peaks on 1 + 2. When using the 2.6.16-2 kernel (i don't know the alsa version used here) and playing soundfiles with XMMS (OSS output plugin) - every output shows peaks and works. Can anyone help, please!? Greets, Acker From florin at andrei.myip.org Tue Aug 22 14:28:10 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Tue Aug 22 14:28:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Delta 1010LT - Alsa 1.0.11 - only Output on ch1 and 2 In-Reply-To: <53735.83.135.214.74.1156242830.squirrel@webmail.indisgrace.de> References: <53735.83.135.214.74.1156242830.squirrel@webmail.indisgrace.de> Message-ID: <1156271290.4137.18.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> On Tue, 2006-08-22 at 12:33 +0200, acker@indisgrace.de wrote: > i have a problem using my new M-Audio Delta 1010LT Card with Debian Sid - > Kernel 2.6.17-2 and Alsa 1.0.11. > > When playing soundfiles with XMMS (using OSS or Alsa Output plugin) i only > get sound on output 1 + 2. I installed the envy24control mixer and there > the monitor tab shows only peaks on 1 + 2. > > When using the 2.6.16-2 kernel (i don't know the alsa version used here) > and playing soundfiles with XMMS (OSS output plugin) - every output shows > peaks and works. I am sure there are other answers to your dilemma, but anyway, my take is that the 1010 cards were really designed to be used with something like JACK or a similar technology - i.e., there are multiple sound sources, multiple destinations, and you're routing between them with JACK or something like that. I have the 1010 full version, I'm using Fedora Core 5. I simply connected the studio monitors (the speakers) to the outputs #1 and 2 on the 1010. Without JACK (e.g. when I'm watching a DVD, or listening to music via XMMS), all applications just "do the right thing" and send the signal to those outputs. But when I use the music equipment, I fire up JACK and I use it to make the proper routings. So, in my opinion, stereo apps sending output only to #1 and 2 (in the absence of JACK) is normal. If you want more complex routing, just use JACK. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Aug 23 02:23:03 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Aug 23 02:23:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <200608230723.03960.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Scuze me coming late to the party, I've been terribly busy. I just couldn't let it lie. On Monday 14 August 2006 04:26, Patrick Shirkey was like: > Hartmut Noack wrote: > >> Why else would I want to protect my IP other than making as much money > >> as possible from it? > > > > Because i want to keep my personal expressions linked to my name. > > That shouldn't be a reason to stop people from using your work and > incorporating it into their own art. Patrick, I'm finding your POV utterly outrageous. When one has worked hard to make a very precise artistic statement, it becomes apparent how easily it could be changed, to either weaken or completely change the sentiment. I have written several ambient instrumental or acapella vocal pieces that I don't EVER want to hear some f*wit put a beat to. I have listeners who would think I had totally lost my integrity as an artist if I allowed that to happen. If I _was_ into the idea I would release the piece as CC-BY-SA. We have to assume that anyone who has NOT freely licensed their music has NOT given that permission. > Art transforms over time through the application of skills and knowledge > learnt. If we get precious about other artists incorporating our work > then we are just trying to stop a natural process of evolution. From my > POV that is absolutely 100% pointless. As an artist I love Dinosaurs and Dragons. I don't want them to evolve into techno-lizards. If I did, I'd write Sci-Fi. > However, if you want to make money from your art and you want make sure > that others who make money from using your art are forced to share > their profit with you it makes sense to license your work with very > strict conditions. It certainly does. > That way you can sue if the money is worth it and keep another industry > ticking over too. Plus you get all the other benefits like being able to > say your suing "XXX" for theft of your art work while your rubbing > shoulders with lesser mortals at the next society event. And if you are > really lucky the person you are suing will be there too and you can get > really artistic and have a drunken fight or break something... I mean if > you are going to have the airs of being and important artist you might > as well revel in it... Right? Actually, most of the people on this list couldn't afford to start proceedings in most cases. This is a bogus argument. I have had the experience of having my work re-used, the title changed and my name not mentioned, taking legal action would have achieved nothing, there was never any money in the equation. Oh, possibly I could have used the situation to get some publicity for myself, but it would not have resolved my self-indulgent sense of honour and artistic integrity, which is what keeps me going as an artist. This is probably all a bit touchy-feely for a hard nosed ideas pirate to understand. Those of us who do spend our lives coming up with original tunes, words and arrangements get quite used to watching other people make money from our endeavours - The Security staff, PA and lighting crew always get paid, the agents, distributors, venues and promoters usually take their cut and we walk away with a bit of pocket money if we're lucky. I'm not talking about abstract mythical music-biz scenarios that only take place in the big money hype-driven media world, please consider the issue as it would apply to other people on this list. Let me put it this way: Please don't ever remix my tunes unless I have explicitly licensed the piece in a way that allows it. Because I'd be hurt and confused - if you don't respect an artists integrity why would you WANT to use their work? Just a little bit. Uh huh. Just a little bit. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Aug 23 02:34:28 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Aug 23 02:34:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> References: <200608131009.13263.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <200608230734.28782.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 16 August 2006 05:21, Patrick Shirkey was like: > So, if I have no morals or don't subscribe to the same set of standards > that you do does it mean I am a lesser artist than someone who does? It means some of us will regard you as such, yes. I expect you'll learn to deal with it. Many great artists have done so before. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Wed Aug 23 02:57:34 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Wed Aug 23 02:58:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <200608230723.03960.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> <200608230723.03960.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <44EBFC5E.1050001@boosthardware.com> tim hall wrote: > > > Patrick, I'm finding your POV utterly outrageous. > > When one has worked hard to make a very precise artistic statement, it becomes > apparent how easily it could be changed, to either weaken or completely > change the sentiment. I have written several ambient instrumental or acapella > vocal pieces that I don't EVER want to hear some f*wit put a beat to. I have > listeners who would think I had totally lost my integrity as an artist if I > allowed that to happen. If I _was_ into the idea I would release the piece as > CC-BY-SA. We have to assume that anyone who has NOT freely licensed their > music has NOT given that permission. > Well, I would have to say that if you made something that someone found worthwhile of putting a beat too or remixing it in any way shape or form then you just have to accept that it's inevitable in this day and age. >> Art transforms over time through the application of skills and knowledge >> learnt. If we get precious about other artists incorporating our work >> then we are just trying to stop a natural process of evolution. From my >> POV that is absolutely 100% pointless. > > As an artist I love Dinosaurs and Dragons. I don't want them to evolve into > techno-lizards. If I did, I'd write Sci-Fi. > You can't stop evolution!!! Telling people they *can't* evolve your digital artwork is like a rag to a bull. > >> That way you can sue if the money is worth it and keep another industry >> ticking over too. Plus you get all the other benefits like being able to >> say your suing "XXX" for theft of your art work while your rubbing >> shoulders with lesser mortals at the next society event. And if you are >> really lucky the person you are suing will be there too and you can get >> really artistic and have a drunken fight or break something... I mean if >> you are going to have the airs of being and important artist you might >> as well revel in it... Right? > > Actually, most of the people on this list couldn't afford to start proceedings > in most cases. This is a bogus argument. I have had the experience of having > my work re-used, the title changed and my name not mentioned, taking legal > action would have achieved nothing, there was never any money in the > equation. Oh, possibly I could have used the situation to get some publicity > for myself, but it would not have resolved my self-indulgent sense of honour > and artistic integrity, which is what keeps me going as an artist. This is > probably all a bit touchy-feely for a hard nosed ideas pirate to understand. > That was your decision. If you are a sensitive artistic type that chooses not to have confrontation over your artwork that has very little to do with anyone else. Although there would be a case for saying that maybe you don't respect your work enough to have the passion to defend it... I'm not suggesting that but the person who ripped you off might get that impression and feel justified in taking advantage of you. There's also the camp which says there are only so many hours in a day so why waste energy on something that doesn't have financial gain... > Those of us who do spend our lives coming up with original tunes, words and > arrangements get quite used to watching other people make money from our > endeavours - The Security staff, PA and lighting crew always get paid, the > agents, distributors, venues and promoters usually take their cut and we walk > away with a bit of pocket money if we're lucky. I'm not talking about > abstract mythical music-biz scenarios that only take place in the big money > hype-driven media world, please consider the issue as it would apply to other > people on this list. > > Let me put it this way: > > Please don't ever remix my tunes unless I have explicitly licensed the piece > in a way that allows it. > > Because I'd be hurt and confused - if you don't respect an artists integrity > why would you WANT to use their work? > Well, the liklihood of me remixing a tune from anyone on this list without letting them know well in advance is pretty slim. But in my book any tune which I have... A: paid for B: Remixed live and found a way to either improve or modify it to make a new point C: found a sample that helps me to save time and money Is fair game and if I release it for money I will cover my own ass and make sure I get permission before doing so. If I release the remix for free, because I can, then I will get permission if I can be bothered. Otherwise it's up to the original artist to contact me if they don't like the situation. If that makes me a lesser person then I can live with that. I have plenty of so called enemies already so a few more ain't gonna make much difference. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From acker at indisgrace.de Wed Aug 23 03:08:48 2006 From: acker at indisgrace.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?J=F6rg_Ackerstaff?=) Date: Wed Aug 23 03:08:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Delta 1010LT - Alsa 1.0.11 - only Output on ch1 and 2 In-Reply-To: <1156271290.4137.18.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <53735.83.135.214.74.1156242830.squirrel@webmail.indisgrace.de> <1156271290.4137.18.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <44EBFF00.8000304@indisgrace.de> Florin Andrei schrieb: > On Tue, 2006-08-22 at 12:33 +0200, acker@indisgrace.de wrote: > > >> i have a problem using my new M-Audio Delta 1010LT Card with Debian Sid - >> Kernel 2.6.17-2 and Alsa 1.0.11. >> >> When playing soundfiles with XMMS (using OSS or Alsa Output plugin) i only >> get sound on output 1 + 2. I installed the envy24control mixer and there >> the monitor tab shows only peaks on 1 + 2. >> >> When using the 2.6.16-2 kernel (i don't know the alsa version used here) >> and playing soundfiles with XMMS (OSS output plugin) - every output shows >> peaks and works. >> > > I am sure there are other answers to your dilemma, but anyway, my take > is that the 1010 cards were really designed to be used with something > like JACK or a similar technology - i.e., there are multiple sound > sources, multiple destinations, and you're routing between them with > JACK or something like that. > > I have the 1010 full version, I'm using Fedora Core 5. I simply > connected the studio monitors (the speakers) to the outputs #1 and 2 on > the 1010. Without JACK (e.g. when I'm watching a DVD, or listening to > music via XMMS), all applications just "do the right thing" and send the > signal to those outputs. But when I use the music equipment, I fire up > JACK and I use it to make the proper routings. > > So, in my opinion, stereo apps sending output only to #1 and 2 (in the > absence of JACK) is normal. If you want more complex routing, just use > JACK. > > Hi and thanks for your answer, you're absolutely right - the card is made for recording, but the point is, that the problem is new since alsa 1.0.11. So why do they changed that? It works with an older kernel and alsa 1.0.10 ... Greetz, Acker From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Aug 23 03:17:32 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Aug 23 03:18:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Delta 1010LT - Alsa 1.0.11 - only Output on ch1 and 2 In-Reply-To: <44EBFF00.8000304@indisgrace.de> References: <53735.83.135.214.74.1156242830.squirrel@webmail.indisgrace.de> <1156271290.4137.18.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <44EBFF00.8000304@indisgrace.de> Message-ID: <1156317453.10565.305.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 09:08 +0200, J?rg Ackerstaff wrote: > > you're absolutely right - the card is made for recording, but the > point > is, that > the problem is new since alsa 1.0.11. So why do they changed that? It > works with an older > kernel and alsa 1.0.10 ... > I'm sure the change in behavior was not intentional. Anytime an ALSA upgrade breaks things, it's considered a bug. First, please try to reproduce the problem with "aplay file.wav". XMMS is a little too complex to be useful for debugging. Can you use ALSA Hg sources to track down the exact change that broke it? Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Aug 23 03:30:50 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Aug 23 03:30:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44EBFC5E.1050001@boosthardware.com> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> <200608230723.03960.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <44EBFC5E.1050001@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <1156318250.10565.318.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 13:57 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Well, the liklihood of me remixing a tune from anyone on this list > without letting them know well in advance is pretty slim. > > But in my book any tune which I have... > > A: paid for > B: Remixed live and found a way to either improve or modify it to make > a > new point > C: found a sample that helps me to save time and money Really, the problem is that copyright law does not distinguish between a DJ who samples copyrighted music for his gigs where a few hundred people turn out at best, and a huge movie studio that uses a copyrighted song in a soundtrack for a movie that grosses millions without paying. Obviously (IMHO anyway) the first should be legal, the second illegal. At least, if I were the copyright owner I'd feel ripped off by the latter, but not the former. IOW, I agree that some aspects of copyright law are broken and don't reflect reality, but I believe the concept of copyright is valid. I had a DJ friend who made an entire album using only samples from Metallica's "And Justice For All" - it was brilliant, and if you didn't know, you'd have no idea it was all Metallica samples. That should obviously be legal, and just as obviously, Puff Daddy taking Zep's "Kashmir" and looping it over a beat without paying for it would (and should) be illegal. Unfortunately, to really have a fair copyright law, I'm afraid you'd have to adopt a "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it" type definition. Lee From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Aug 23 04:06:22 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Aug 23 04:06:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <1156318250.10565.318.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44EBFC5E.1050001@boosthardware.com> <1156318250.10565.318.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200608230906.22630.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 23 August 2006 08:30, Lee Revell was like: > On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 13:57 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > Well, the liklihood of me remixing a tune from anyone on this list > > without letting them know well in advance is pretty slim. > > > > But in my book any tune which I have... > > > > A: paid for > > B: Remixed live and found a way to either improve or modify it to make > > a > > new point > > C: found a sample that helps me to save time and money > > Really, the problem is that copyright law does not distinguish between a > DJ who samples copyrighted music for his gigs where a few hundred people > turn out at best, and a huge movie studio that uses a copyrighted song > in a soundtrack for a movie that grosses millions without paying. > Obviously (IMHO anyway) the first should be legal, the second illegal. > At least, if I were the copyright owner I'd feel ripped off by the > latter, but not the former. > > IOW, I agree that some aspects of copyright law are broken and don't > reflect reality, but I believe the concept of copyright is valid. > > I had a DJ friend who made an entire album using only samples from > Metallica's "And Justice For All" - it was brilliant, and if you didn't > know, you'd have no idea it was all Metallica samples. That should > obviously be legal, and just as obviously, Puff Daddy taking Zep's > "Kashmir" and looping it over a beat without paying for it would (and > should) be illegal. > > Unfortunately, to really have a fair copyright law, I'm afraid you'd > have to adopt a "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it" type > definition. Thanks for your clarity on these complex issues, Lee. Clearly DJing should not be outlawed by this discussion. In terms of traditional Vinyl DJing, the copyright is satisfied by the venue paying public performance rights, copyright can theoretically be traced by reading the record labels. I think if a piece is clearly presented as a DJ mix and the component parts are given correct attribution, then morally I would rest my case even if copyright law does say otherwise. However, if a piece is presented as an original work and you are claiming authorship, then I think it is reasonable to say that one SHOULD seek permission for samples used. OK, this definition would create a fair number of corner cases, but it's far from fluffy. In any case respect is the issue. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From lau at kudla.org Wed Aug 23 10:00:00 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Aug 23 10:01:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <200608230723.03960.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> <200608230723.03960.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <200608231000.00663.lau@kudla.org> On Wed August 23 2006 02:23, tim hall wrote: > Because I'd be hurt and confused - if you don't respect an > artists integrity why would you WANT to use their work? Wow, where do I begin? I might want to belittle them, like Negativland did with U2. I might like what their producer did without having any respect for the writer, or the writer might not be the copyright holder in the first place. I might think "That's an okay song, but it could be an AWESOME song if it just had _______." I might like the music but be offended by the lyrics, e.g. if the lyricist were a neo-nazi or Creed-esque crypto-christian. I might know nothing at all about the artist, so that their "integrity" is an unknown variable altogether. A day doesn't go by without me hearing something on the radio or somewhere else where I think, wow, I could do so much with that. If I were more into dance music, I'd be constantly like a kid in a candy store. It's a lack of time that prevents me from doing anything about it, rather than any misplaced automatic respect for my fellow man due merely to his ability to breathe air or get a record out. Rob From acker at indisgrace.de Wed Aug 23 11:34:21 2006 From: acker at indisgrace.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_Ackerstaff?=) Date: Wed Aug 23 11:34:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Delta 1010LT - Alsa 1.0.11 - only Output on ch1 and 2 In-Reply-To: <1156317453.10565.305.camel@mindpipe> References: <53735.83.135.214.74.1156242830.squirrel@webmail.indisgrace.de> <1156271290.4137.18.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <44EBFF00.8000304@indisgrace.de> <1156317453.10565.305.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44EC757D.2080704@indisgrace.de> Lee Revell schrieb: > On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 09:08 +0200, J?rg Ackerstaff wrote: > > I'm sure the change in behavior was not intentional. Anytime an ALSA > upgrade breaks things, it's considered a bug. > > First, please try to reproduce the problem with "aplay file.wav". XMMS > is a little too complex to be useful for debugging. > > Can you use ALSA Hg sources to track down the exact change that broke > it? > > Lee > > > With aplay output is only on channel 1 and 2. But that is the same with every other application not using (xine-)oss. I have output on all channels with every application using the xine engine and oss as the output device...e.g. amarok, xmms... but this is gone since alsa 1.0.11. Acker From mrocamora at adinet.com.uy Wed Aug 23 11:56:24 2006 From: mrocamora at adinet.com.uy (Martin Rocamora) Date: Wed Aug 23 11:56:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Audiophile USB with ASLA problems In-Reply-To: <1155318776.14906.268183269@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1154820160.9247.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1155318776.14906.268183269@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <44EC7AA8.7060808@adinet.com.uy> Hi! I also followed the instructions in: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Midiman%2FMAudio&card=Audiophile+USB.&chip=&module=usb-audio I could play using aplay, but not to record. I also tried using jack, and could play and record but with noise. To avoid noise, acording to the document above, I should load the snd-usb-audio module selecting a device_setup option. However the option is not recongized. I tried it in AGNULA 1.3.0 and Mandriva 2005. # modprobe snd-usb-audio index=1 device_setup=0x09 FATAL: Error inserting snd-usb-audio (/lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk-i686-up-4GB/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko.gz): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) # dmesg snd-usb-audio: Unknown parameter `device_setup' Has anyone had a good experience with this device? Some comments in the list about it are a bit discouraging. Bye. Mart?n. Clemens Ladisch escribi?: >Kareem Kneawy wrote: > > >>$ aplay -D hw:1,0 -c2 -t raw -r48000 -fS16_BE ed.raw >>Playing raw data 'ed.raw' : Signed 16 bit Big Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Stereo >>aplay: set_params:962: Unable to install hw params: >>... >> >> > >Try > >aplay -v -D plughw:1,0 -c2 -t raw -r48000 -fS16_BE ed.raw > >and the look what format is actually used by the driver. > > >HTH >Clemens > > > From creisor at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 13:23:48 2006 From: creisor at gmail.com (Chris Reisor) Date: Wed Aug 23 13:23:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <44EBFC5E.1050001@boosthardware.com> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> <200608230723.03960.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <44EBFC5E.1050001@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <3e1f2d940608231023t25c05fedy8a660fcfbabbb9f5@mail.gmail.com> I have to say I've been on board with everything you've said so far. Naturally, I have no problem with people making as much money as they can off their work, and I think it's only fair that one acknowledge the artist responsible for the original source material, but people need to lighten up about their "artistic integrity" and talk of "originality." And these winey sensitive artist types need to realize that all art, form of expression, or even communication in general (hello! the freaking language that you speak, for that matter) is built on what has come before. If one doesn't think ones's work can stand on its own, in spite of constant reworkings, remixings, and reshapings, then one obviously doesn't have much confidence in one's ability to express oneself. This happens in other art forms, why are people so resistant to it happening in music? Think how ridiculous it would be if we applied this same silly form of thinking to architecture. I guess this is all a matter of personal taste, too. For instance, many think that collage is a bogus art form, but it's one of my favorite forms of visual art. I think U.N.K.L.E.'s mix of his "In a State" mashed up with Moby's "God Moving Over the Face of the Waters" is as beautiful or more than both of those songs combined, without detracting from either original. He did something equally powerful with DMX's "Who We Be" and Tears for Fears' "Shout." Fantastic. Mos Def does a beautiful tribute to Marvin Gaye with little echos of Marvin singing in the background. Jazz musicians have been "quoting" from other musicians in the midst of their own improvisational solos for a long time. I guess it's a little different from sampling, but to me the effect is the same. I'll quote (steal?!) from Oscar Wilde and say: "Talent borrows, Genius steals." On 8/22/06, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > tim hall wrote: > > > > > > Patrick, I'm finding your POV utterly outrageous. > > > > When one has worked hard to make a very precise artistic statement, it becomes > > apparent how easily it could be changed, to either weaken or completely > > change the sentiment. I have written several ambient instrumental or acapella > > vocal pieces that I don't EVER want to hear some f*wit put a beat to. I have > > listeners who would think I had totally lost my integrity as an artist if I > > allowed that to happen. If I _was_ into the idea I would release the piece as > > CC-BY-SA. We have to assume that anyone who has NOT freely licensed their > > music has NOT given that permission. > > > > Well, I would have to say that if you made something that someone found > worthwhile of putting a beat too or remixing it in any way shape or form > then you just have to accept that it's inevitable in this day and age. > > >> Art transforms over time through the application of skills and knowledge > >> learnt. If we get precious about other artists incorporating our work > >> then we are just trying to stop a natural process of evolution. From my > >> POV that is absolutely 100% pointless. > > > > As an artist I love Dinosaurs and Dragons. I don't want them to evolve into > > techno-lizards. If I did, I'd write Sci-Fi. > > > > You can't stop evolution!!! Telling people they *can't* evolve your > digital artwork is like a rag to a bull. > > > > >> That way you can sue if the money is worth it and keep another industry > >> ticking over too. Plus you get all the other benefits like being able to > >> say your suing "XXX" for theft of your art work while your rubbing > >> shoulders with lesser mortals at the next society event. And if you are > >> really lucky the person you are suing will be there too and you can get > >> really artistic and have a drunken fight or break something... I mean if > >> you are going to have the airs of being and important artist you might > >> as well revel in it... Right? > > > > Actually, most of the people on this list couldn't afford to start proceedings > > in most cases. This is a bogus argument. I have had the experience of having > > my work re-used, the title changed and my name not mentioned, taking legal > > action would have achieved nothing, there was never any money in the > > equation. Oh, possibly I could have used the situation to get some publicity > > for myself, but it would not have resolved my self-indulgent sense of honour > > and artistic integrity, which is what keeps me going as an artist. This is > > probably all a bit touchy-feely for a hard nosed ideas pirate to understand. > > > > That was your decision. If you are a sensitive artistic type that > chooses not to have confrontation over your artwork that has very little > to do with anyone else. Although there would be a case for saying that > maybe you don't respect your work enough to have the passion to defend > it... I'm not suggesting that but the person who ripped you off might > get that impression and feel justified in taking advantage of you. > There's also the camp which says there are only so many hours in a day > so why waste energy on something that doesn't have financial gain... > > > Those of us who do spend our lives coming up with original tunes, words and > > arrangements get quite used to watching other people make money from our > > endeavours - The Security staff, PA and lighting crew always get paid, the > > agents, distributors, venues and promoters usually take their cut and we walk > > away with a bit of pocket money if we're lucky. I'm not talking about > > abstract mythical music-biz scenarios that only take place in the big money > > hype-driven media world, please consider the issue as it would apply to other > > people on this list. > > > > Let me put it this way: > > > > Please don't ever remix my tunes unless I have explicitly licensed the piece > > in a way that allows it. > > > > Because I'd be hurt and confused - if you don't respect an artists integrity > > why would you WANT to use their work? > > > > Well, the liklihood of me remixing a tune from anyone on this list > without letting them know well in advance is pretty slim. > > But in my book any tune which I have... > > A: paid for > B: Remixed live and found a way to either improve or modify it to make a > new point > C: found a sample that helps me to save time and money > > Is fair game and if I release it for money I will cover my own ass and > make sure I get permission before doing so. If I release the remix for > free, because I can, then I will get permission if I can be bothered. > Otherwise it's up to the original artist to contact me if they don't > like the situation. > > If that makes me a lesser person then I can live with that. I have > plenty of so called enemies already so a few more ain't gonna make much > difference. > > > -- > Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. > Http://www.boosthardware.com > Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide > ======================================== > > "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will > become reality" - Macka B > > From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Wed Aug 23 14:56:03 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Wed Aug 23 14:56:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <3e1f2d940608231023t25c05fedy8a660fcfbabbb9f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44DFAE3C.2040800@linuxuse.de> <44DFED72.5000509@boosthardware.com> <200608230723.03960.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <44EBFC5E.1050001@boosthardware.com> <3e1f2d940608231023t25c05fedy8a660fcfbabbb9f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44ECA4C3.4030108@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chris Reisor schrieb: > Jazz musicians have been "quoting" from other musicians in the midst > of their own improvisational solos for a long time. I guess it's a > little different from sampling, but to me the effect is the same. > Call me a snob, give me names !!!! But NO: if someone plays a quote, this is not the same as cutting a nice little loop out of a previously made recording, rearrange it with some other loops and call it "mine! - who the f... cares for that poor little sucker that played the loop in the first place: me not!" The only thing i can approve is, that sampling should be allowed for anybody with no cost until the derivative work makes money and so a fair share can be given easily. Remembering the names of artists, that made the material on wich a remixer rolls his own, is not sooo big a hindrance for the freedom of art. There was the reference to the case Negativeland vs. U2 - i would plea as follows: 1.) Negative Land had every right in the World to use the U2-Stuff 2.) U2 should not have been allowed to sue NL, because a mIllionsellerrockstars they have to take the burden of being a cultural phenomenon too - to be commented and discussed including quotation in the open. 3.) U2 should not have been allowed to demand more then the autor of a covered song for each sold copy of the NL-Album - about 5% of the price of the album at the shop, by my estimation. I do not try to fight freedom of art but for some quality and manners as art is distributed. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7KTD1Aecwva1SWMRAju7AJ4lGiXX2NJZciD/lJqyCjpvs0y/CgCfQH0O YhZEjYthbFZVHsGH08VKmdw= =ZCTi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From HomeTheater at feline-soul.com Wed Aug 23 18:51:31 2006 From: HomeTheater at feline-soul.com (Bearcat M. Sandor) Date: Wed Aug 23 18:51:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Getting a Logitech Traveler bluetooth headset. Help? Message-ID: <2290.216.47.59.131.1156373491.squirrel@webmail.feline-soul.net> Folks, I do hope this is an appropreate mailing list to ask this on . I have the snd_bt_sco module loaded. Doing a btsco 00:0D:44:4F:37:72 gives me Error: Failed to connect to SDP server: Function not implemented Assuming channel 2 Can't connect RFCOMM channel: Resource temporarily unavailable I'm a newbie at this bluetooth stuff. I'm not sure if i'm supposed to start the rfcomm program or what parameters i should send. Watching my system load the snd_bt_sco load at startup i see lots of errors: http://pastebin.ca/146518 My config files are as follows: http://pastebin.ca/146850 I am using the alsa modules in linux 2.6.17, btsco 0.42, bluez-utils and bluez-libs versions 3.2. Thanks for the help, Bearcat M. Sandor From slothlove at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 21:33:58 2006 From: slothlove at gmail.com (Spencer Russell) Date: Wed Aug 23 21:34:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Centrino Duo and AD1981HD Sound Card: Good for Linux Audio? Message-ID: Hey there collective intelligence, I have an oppurtunity to get a really good deal on an HP NC4400, and as I'm looking for a new laptop, I'm thinking of grabbing it. It's got 1.5 Gigs of RAM, an SATA 5400RPM hard drive, and a 2GHz Centrino Duo. Any experiences with this sound codec? It seems to be supported with the snd-intel-hda alsa module, but I can't find any info about performance. I think that it's used in a lot of the newer HP and IBM laptops. What distinguishes an "HD" sound card? One of the reasons I've been looking to replace my current laptop is that the sound card and video card seem to compete for control of whichever bus they're on, so I get lots of xruns with any latency less than about 60ms. This computer won't be used for my heavy multitrack recording sessions, I mostly want it for synth and audio processing, maybe also generating visuals in a live performance environment, so the low latency is pretty critical when I've got audio running through the computer for processing. Thanks a lot! spencer Thanks a lot, spencer From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 21:44:13 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed Aug 23 21:44:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Centrino Duo and AD1981HD Sound Card: Good forLinux Audio? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c6c71e$ce2c3db0$3402a8c0@64BitBadass> If this is the same thing that comes in Macbook Pros (AFAIK it is), then it is quite nice setup. See my earlier post about the latency on MBP... Best wishes, Ico > Hey there collective intelligence, > I have an oppurtunity to get a really good deal on an HP NC4400, and > as I'm looking for a new laptop, I'm thinking of grabbing it. It's got > 1.5 Gigs of RAM, an SATA 5400RPM hard drive, and a 2GHz Centrino Duo. > > Any experiences with this sound codec? It seems to be supported with > the snd-intel-hda alsa module, but I can't find any info about > performance. I think that it's used in a lot of the newer HP and IBM > laptops. What distinguishes an "HD" sound card? One of the reasons > I've been looking to replace my current laptop is that the sound card > and video card seem to compete for control of whichever bus they're > on, so I get lots of xruns with any latency less than about 60ms. > > This computer won't be used for my heavy multitrack recording > sessions, I mostly want it for synth and audio processing, maybe also > generating visuals in a live performance environment, so the low > latency is pretty critical when I've got audio running through the > computer for processing. > > Thanks a lot! > > spencer > > Thanks a lot, > spencer From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Aug 23 21:54:28 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Aug 23 21:54:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Centrino Duo and AD1981HD Sound Card: Good for Linux Audio? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1156384469.27216.55.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 18:33 -0700, Spencer Russell wrote: > Any experiences with this sound codec? It seems to be supported with > the snd-intel-hda alsa module, but I can't find any info about > performance. I think that it's used in a lot of the newer HP and IBM > laptops. What distinguishes an "HD" sound card? One of the reasons > I've been looking to replace my current laptop is that the sound card > and video card seem to compete for control of whichever bus they're > on, so I get lots of xruns with any latency less than about 60ms. Intel HDA is a very flexible design - there's so much variation from one machine to the next, you really need to find someone with the same laptop who can verify that sound works. It might be helpful to search the ALSA bug tracker for that laptop and codec. Ideally you would have the opportunity to test a recent live CD distro on it before buying. HTH, Lee From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 22:36:35 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Aug 23 22:36:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Beginner singing, music theory (guitar) and ear training, solfege? Message-ID: G'day all, I'm keen on learning to sing in my now extensive spare time. Anyone now of any good books or sites aimed at beginner singers? I'm also wondering if doing some ear training stuff would be good. I'm mostly interested in improving my guitar playing but i'm guessing this would really help over all. Should i use GNU solfege for ear training? Is there a good intro for beginners somewhere? guitarnoise.com is the most useful stuff i've found so far. Anyone know a good book on any of these topics? If possible focused towards guitar, music theory, ear training, etc and not one of those horrible school music style method books. I have no interest in sing mary has a little lamb. ;) Loki From brad at sonaural.com Wed Aug 23 22:50:42 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Wed Aug 23 22:50:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Beginner singing, music theory (guitar) and ear training, solfege? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44ED1402.3030606@sonaural.com> Loki Davison wrote: > G'day all, > I'm keen on learning to sing in my now extensive spare time. Anyone > now of any good books or sites aimed at beginner singers? > > I'm also wondering if doing some ear training stuff would be good. I'm > mostly interested in improving my guitar playing but i'm guessing this > would really help over all. Should i use GNU solfege for ear training? > Is there a good intro for beginners somewhere? guitarnoise.com is the > most useful stuff i've found so far. Anyone know a good book on any of > these topics? If possible focused towards guitar, music theory, ear > training, etc and not one of those horrible school music style method > books. I have no interest in sing mary has a little lamb. ;) > > Loki > berklee press search yields: http://berkleepress.com/catalog/product-search?original_url=%2fdomains%2fberkleepress%2fproduct%2dsearch&url_hash=765%201156387751%204BAEA2F3AA182540015DD6F4C775067E09432C07&search_text=ear%20training (if the URL is too long, go to berkleepress.com and search on ear training) -- brad fuller sonaural: www.sonaural.com personal: www.bradfuller.com www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/2184 From fullgo at dellorfano.net Wed Aug 23 22:58:55 2006 From: fullgo at dellorfano.net (Joseph Dell'Orfano) Date: Wed Aug 23 22:59:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Beginner singing, music theory (guitar) and ear training, solfege? In-Reply-To: <44ED1402.3030606@sonaural.com> References: <44ED1402.3030606@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1156388336.12141.10.camel@Mike> Actually, Berklee has online courses at www.berkleemusic.com. They are great courses, although a bit expensive. I'd be happy to tell you my experiences off list if you like. -Joe On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 19:50 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > Loki Davison wrote: > > G'day all, > > I'm keen on learning to sing in my now extensive spare time. Anyone > > now of any good books or sites aimed at beginner singers? > > > > I'm also wondering if doing some ear training stuff would be good. I'm > > mostly interested in improving my guitar playing but i'm guessing this > > would really help over all. Should i use GNU solfege for ear training? > > Is there a good intro for beginners somewhere? guitarnoise.com is the > > most useful stuff i've found so far. Anyone know a good book on any of > > these topics? If possible focused towards guitar, music theory, ear > > training, etc and not one of those horrible school music style method > > books. I have no interest in sing mary has a little lamb. ;) > > > > Loki > > > berklee press search yields: > > http://berkleepress.com/catalog/product-search?original_url=%2fdomains%2fberkleepress%2fproduct%2dsearch&url_hash=765%201156387751%204BAEA2F3AA182540015DD6F4C775067E09432C07&search_text=ear%20training > > (if the URL is too long, go to berkleepress.com and search on ear training) > From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Aug 23 23:23:20 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Aug 23 23:04:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Beginner singing, music theory (guitar) and ear training, solfege? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44ED1BA8.4070304@woh.rr.com> Loki Davison wrote: > I'm keen on learning to sing in my now extensive spare time. Anyone > now of any good books or sites aimed at beginner singers? I've never looked at any books on singing, but I've picked up a lot of valuable tips from singers. Are lessons not possible ? > I'm also wondering if doing some ear training stuff would be good. I'm > mostly interested in improving my guitar playing but i'm guessing this > would really help over all. Should i use GNU solfege for ear training? Yes, Solfege rocks. I advise it for my students, it's one of the best self-trainers around. > Is there a good intro for beginners somewhere? guitarnoise.com is the > most useful stuff i've found so far. Anyone know a good book on any of > these topics? If possible focused towards guitar, music theory, ear > training, etc and not one of those horrible school music style method > books. I have no interest in sing mary has a little lamb. ;) Most of what you need you can find on the Web now. Harmony Central used to be a good place to look for such things. I usually recommend Piston for harmony theory, but really any reasonably complete textbook should suffice. I prefer harmony texts by composers (Rameau, Schoenberg, Sessions, Piston, Persichetti, etc) but I'm not sure that really matters. Just make sure it covers the principles of so-called common practice harmony. Btw, you might also check out Modus Vetus for even more standard ear-training exercises. Best, dp From cladisch at fastmail.net Thu Aug 24 05:16:50 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu Aug 24 05:17:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Audiophile USB with ASLA problems In-Reply-To: <44EC7AA8.7060808@adinet.com.uy> References: <1154820160.9247.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1155318776.14906.268183269@webmail.messagingengine.com> <44EC7AA8.7060808@adinet.com.uy> Message-ID: <1156411010.8205.269304135@webmail.messagingengine.com> Martin Rocamora wrote: > To avoid noise, acording to the document above, I should load the > snd-usb-audio module selecting a device_setup option. However the option > is not recongized. I tried it in AGNULA 1.3.0 and Mandriva 2005. This option was added in ALSA 1.0.11. Try to get a newer distribution that includes this version of ALSA. HTH Clemens From cladisch at fastmail.net Thu Aug 24 05:35:08 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu Aug 24 05:35:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Centrino Duo and AD1981HD Sound Card: Good for Linux Audio? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1156412108.9924.269304783@webmail.messagingengine.com> Spencer Russell wrote: > I have an oppurtunity to get a really good deal on an HP NC4400, and > as I'm looking for a new laptop, I'm thinking of grabbing it. It's got > 1.5 Gigs of RAM, an SATA 5400RPM hard drive, and a 2GHz Centrino Duo. > > Any experiences with this sound codec? It seems to be supported with > the snd-intel-hda alsa module, but I can't find any info about > performance. > > What distinguishes an "HD" sound card? The HDA specification is the successor of the AC'97 specification. While AC'97 codecs are extremely cheap chips whose theoretical digital performance numbers have no relation to their actual analog quality, HDA codecs are extremely cheap chips whose theoretical digital performance numbers can be even higher, but still have no relation to their actual analog quality. > One of the reasons I've been looking to replace my current laptop is > that the sound card and video card seem to compete for control of > whichever bus they're on, so I get lots of xruns with any latency less > than about 60ms. PCI I/O performance depends mostly on the chipset. "Centrino" means it has Intel which is thought to be the best in this regard. What chipset did your old laptop have? Regards, Clemens From jesse at essej.net Thu Aug 24 08:04:30 2006 From: jesse at essej.net (Jesse Chappell) Date: Thu Aug 24 08:04:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re: Commercial audio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <44E6F8E2.8050608@broadpark.no> <20060819170544.GA16899@replic.net> <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: On 8/20/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Btw, it appears that ReZound development is on hiatus. AFAICT there's > been no work on it since last year. :( I believe Davy is in the middle of porting it to Qt, which explains the hiatus. jlc From a at gaydenko.com Thu Aug 24 08:08:51 2006 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Thu Aug 24 08:09:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re: Commercial audio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200608241608.51182@goldspace.net> Did Davy public his decision to use namely QT? Probably, I have missed something... ======= On Thursday 24 August 2006 16:04, Jesse Chappell wrote: ======= On 8/20/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Btw, it appears that ReZound development is on hiatus. AFAICT there's > been no work on it since last year. :( I believe Davy is in the middle of porting it to Qt, which explains the hiatus. jlc From jesse at essej.net Thu Aug 24 08:27:39 2006 From: jesse at essej.net (Jesse Chappell) Date: Thu Aug 24 08:27:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re: Commercial audio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: <200608241608.51182@goldspace.net> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> <200608241608.51182@goldspace.net> Message-ID: On 8/24/06, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: > Did Davy public his decision to use namely QT? Probably, I have > missed something... Yes, on the rezound mailing list: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=rezound-users jlc From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Aug 24 08:57:15 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Aug 24 08:38:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re: Commercial audio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <44E6F8E2.8050608@broadpark.no> <20060819170544.GA16899@replic.net> <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44EDA22B.6040202@woh.rr.com> Jesse Chappell wrote: > On 8/20/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > >> Btw, it appears that ReZound development is on hiatus. AFAICT there's >> been no work on it since last year. :( > > > I believe Davy is in the middle of porting it to Qt, which explains > the hiatus. Thanks for the update, Jesse, that's good to know. I like the look of the FOX graphics better than Qt (even Qt4), but I'll patiently wait to see what he comes up with. I'm using ReZound a lot these days, it's a good editor for the quick repetitive work I'm doing now. Best, dp From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Thu Aug 24 12:31:31 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Thu Aug 24 12:30:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re:Commercialaudio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: <44EDA22B.6040202@woh.rr.com> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> <44EDA22B.6040202@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44EDD463.6090804@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dave Phillips escribi?: > Thanks for the update, Jesse, that's good to know. I like the look > of the FOX graphics better than Qt (even Qt4), but I'll patiently > wait to see what he comes up with. I'm using ReZound a lot these > days, it's a good editor for the quick repetitive work I'm doing now. > > Best, I'm having problems building it on x86_64, I'm not sure exactly what is the problem, thoguh. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7dRjXM+XOp70dwoRAh2VAJ4mKRd6YL0a57X3UK0HCo5WexGjewCfa6YT f+FKhTT1aFr4bSDsKsVRolY= =MZCD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From _ at whats-your.name Thu Aug 24 13:26:18 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Aug 24 13:26:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re:Commercialaudio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: <44EDD463.6090804@prodigy.net.mx> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> <44EDA22B.6040202@woh.rr.com> <44EDD463.6090804@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> On Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 11:31:31AM -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dave Phillips escribi?: > > Thanks for the update, Jesse, that's good to know. I like the look > > of the FOX graphics better than Qt (even Qt4), but I'll patiently > > wait to see what he comes up with. I'm using ReZound a lot these > > days, it's a good editor for the quick repetitive work I'm doing now. > > > > Best, > I'm having problems building it on x86_64, I'm not sure exactly what > is the problem, thoguh. i wouldnt bother, Rezound and Sweep always crash on x86_64 as soon as you start using them, if you even manage to compile it. i maen a crash as soon as you select a piece of the wave, or press play, or open a file. mhWaveEdit has never crashed here.. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFE7dRjXM+XOp70dwoRAh2VAJ4mKRd6YL0a57X3UK0HCo5WexGjewCfa6YT > f+FKhTT1aFr4bSDsKsVRolY= > =MZCD > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Thu Aug 24 14:18:45 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Thu Aug 24 14:17:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors(wasRe:Commercialaudio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <44EDA22B.6040202@woh.rr.com> <44EDD463.6090804@prodigy.net.mx> <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> Message-ID: <44EDED85.2080401@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 carmen escribi?: > > > i wouldnt bother, Rezound and Sweep always crash on x86_64 as soon > as you start using them, if you even manage to compile it. i maen a > crash as soon as you select a piece of the wave, or press play, or > open a file. > > mhWaveEdit has never crashed here.. I haven't heard about this mhWaveEdit, will check it out! Audacity simply doesn't cut it for me (too much of a Mac-like UI, IMO) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7e2FXM+XOp70dwoRAnKUAJ9LpZF3Ef2vOGIPgeKphvorDR1TxACdGeKp CkLPxaC+wRxoaC7+w794PBI= =6zjc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From drucer99 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 14:44:26 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Thu Aug 24 14:44:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! Message-ID: <20060824184426.35693.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> There was a recent post on Ardour web page forum and somebody was requesting Ardour demo songs to be included with Linux mediastation keyboard. Now I had never heard of such a device before, but I got curious and found some demos. This is mindblowing stuff! I had absolutely NO IDEA Linux audio was this far! You Linux audio developers have done absolutely amazing job! And can you imagine you can have this all without buying any hardware!? The software is out there, just download it! Check this out! http://www.lionstracs.com/download/video/piano.wmv ..some other stuff here: http://www.lionstracs.com/site/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=35&catid=37&Itemid=59 ..some more: http://www.lionstracs.com/demo/sounds/dreams.mp3 http://www.lionstracs.com/demo/sounds/arpeggio.mp3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From seablaede at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 15:55:18 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Thu Aug 24 14:50:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re:Commercialaudio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> <44EDA22B.6040202@woh.rr.com> <44EDD463.6090804@prodigy.net.mx> <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> Message-ID: <44EE0426.7080109@gmail.com> > i wouldnt bother, Rezound and Sweep always crash on x86_64 as soon as you start using them, if you even manage to compile it. i maen a crash as soon as you select a piece of the wave, or press play, or open a file. Um haven't had a problem running the latest version of Rezound with the appropriate patch installed on X86_64 here, though I haven't used it in a while due to being across the US from my linux machine. Seablade From _ at whats-your.name Thu Aug 24 14:56:09 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Aug 24 14:56:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <20060824184426.35693.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060824184426.35693.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060824185609.GA15900@replic.net> On Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 11:44:26AM -0700, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > There was a recent post on Ardour web page forum and > somebody was requesting Ardour demo songs to be > included with Linux mediastation keyboard. Now I had > never heard of such a device before, but I got curious > and found some demos. This is mindblowing stuff! I had > absolutely NO IDEA Linux audio was this far! You Linux > audio developers have done absolutely amazing job! And > can you imagine you can have this all without buying > any hardware!? The software is out there, just > download it! > > Check this out! > http://www.lionstracs.com/download/video/piano.wmv Requested video codec family [wmv9dmo] (vfm=dmo) not available. Requested video codec family [wmvdmo] (vfm=dmo) not available. soo.. have they heard about theora? maybe theyll like it as much as ardour ;) From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Thu Aug 24 15:01:05 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Thu Aug 24 14:59:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <20060824185609.GA15900@replic.net> References: <20060824184426.35693.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> <"20060824185 609.GA15900"@replic.net> Message-ID: <44EDF771.7010602@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 carmen escribi?: >> Check this out! >> http://www.lionstracs.com/download/video/piano.wmv > > Requested video codec family [wmv9dmo] (vfm=dmo) not available. > Requested video codec family [wmvdmo] (vfm=dmo) not available. > > soo.. have they heard about theora? maybe theyll like it as much as > ardour ;) > Indeed, I couldn't see it either... Will have to upload it to the home Windows? PC... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7fdxXM+XOp70dwoRAtXoAJ0em5e4qTsOrCyVXrppeGT56Nnp5wCeNPyi nlw36A8gNzMubDtNQYYBxYI= =Hj+y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From drucer99 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 15:01:06 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Thu Aug 24 15:01:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <20060824185609.GA15900@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060824190106.11726.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> --- carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > Requested video codec family [wmv9dmo] (vfm=dmo) not > available. > Requested video codec family [wmvdmo] (vfm=dmo) not > available. > > soo.. have they heard about theora? maybe theyll > like it as much as ardour ;) :) It works fine with my LFS system and Firefox MPlayer plug-in. Those videos are amazing! Try to find a way to watch 'em! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mprims at skynet.be Thu Aug 24 15:12:53 2006 From: mprims at skynet.be (mik) Date: Thu Aug 24 15:11:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re:Commercialaudio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> <44EDA22B.6040202@woh.rr.com> <44EDD463.6090804@prodigy.net.mx> <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> Message-ID: <44EDFA35.4090600@skynet.be> carmen schreef: > > i wouldnt bother, Rezound and Sweep always crash on x86_64 as soon as you start using them, if you even manage to compile it. i maen a crash as soon as you select a piece of the wave, or press play, or open a file. > i can't say i have this problem. it runs quite well in my ubuntu amd64. my problem with rezound is that is very slow with large files. m -- http://www.mprims.net From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 15:31:16 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Aug 24 15:31:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <20060824184426.35693.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060824184426.35693.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0608241231s7827fcbax17e6629cc65dc53b@mail.gmail.com> On 8/24/06, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > There was a recent post on Ardour web page forum and > somebody was requesting Ardour demo songs to be > included with Linux mediastation keyboard. Now I had > never heard of such a device before, but I got curious > and found some demos. This is mindblowing stuff! I had > absolutely NO IDEA Linux audio was this far! You Linux > audio developers have done absolutely amazing job! And > can you imagine you can have this all without buying > any hardware!? The software is out there, just > download it! > > Check this out! > http://www.lionstracs.com/download/video/piano.wmv > > ..some other stuff here: > http://www.lionstracs.com/site/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=35&catid=37&Itemid=59 > > ..some more: > http://www.lionstracs.com/demo/sounds/dreams.mp3 > http://www.lionstracs.com/demo/sounds/arpeggio.mp3 > The product that killed LinuxSampler's life as an Open Source program? - Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 15:34:10 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Aug 24 15:34:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0608241231s7827fcbax17e6629cc65dc53b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060824184426.35693.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> <5bdc1c8b0608241231s7827fcbax17e6629cc65dc53b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0608241234x353553e0ra915b210bdb63707@mail.gmail.com> On 8/24/06, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 8/24/06, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > > There was a recent post on Ardour web page forum and > > somebody was requesting Ardour demo songs to be > > included with Linux mediastation keyboard. > > The product that killed LinuxSampler's life as an Open Source program? > > - Mark > I suppose I should be both clear and careful and specifically say that my question above was a question and not a comment hiding behind a question mark. Thanks, Mark From drucer99 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 15:38:50 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Thu Aug 24 15:38:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0608241234x353553e0ra915b210bdb63707@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060824193850.82206.qmail@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > The product that killed LinuxSampler's life as an > Open Source program? > > > > - Mark > > > I suppose I should be both clear and careful and > specifically say that > my question above was a question and not a comment > hiding behind a > question mark. Thanks for that clarification - I have no idea, but please somebody tell if you have more information. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From drucer99 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 15:45:44 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Thu Aug 24 15:45:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <20060824193850.82206.qmail@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060824194545.30912.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> --- Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > > > --- Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > > The product that killed LinuxSampler's life as > an > > Open Source program? > > > > > > - Mark > > > > > I suppose I should be both clear and careful and > > specifically say that > > my question above was a question and not a comment > > hiding behind a > > question mark. > > Thanks for that clarification - I have no idea, but > please somebody tell if you have more information. http://www.linuxsampler.org/ Nope, not dead :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gewang at CS.Princeton.EDU Thu Aug 24 15:45:59 2006 From: gewang at CS.Princeton.EDU (Ge Wang) Date: Thu Aug 24 15:46:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Audicle Source Released (was: all your face...) In-Reply-To: <20060819122809.05EAE291E75A@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060819122809.05EAE291E75A@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <7ee4a038080760483267c97d2ae2ca4e@cs.princeton.edu> Hi Nando! >> Finally, there was a thread from months ago talking about >> beta-testing the >> thing on linux, I wonder if people are still interested. > > I'm interested... but did not get very far (this is on fc4)... > >> audicle > [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): setting log level to: 5 (INFORM)... > [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): audicle version: 1.0.0.3 (quintesson) > [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): (audicle) initializing... > [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): (audicle) initializing graphics engine... > [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): | (audicle) cursor state: ON > [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): | (audicle) initializing opengl/glut... > [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): (audicle) initializing windowing system... > [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): | (audicle) window size: 1024 x 768 > [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): | (audicle) window position: 0, 0 > audicle: freeglut_window.c:300: fgOpenWindow: Assertion > `window->Window.VisualInfo != ((void *)0)' failed. > Abort Sorry for the delayed reply. Were you able to resolve this? The problem appears to be in freeglut, the implementation of GLUT installed on your system. You may need to update your display drivers or GLUT/GL libraries. Here at the sound lab, we've been able to run things well under our old RH9 boxes with PlanetCCRMA - though we did get and installed the most recent NVIDIA drivers that goes along the graphics card. Are you able to run other OpenGL/GLUT applications on your system? I don't know if this helps, but I'd be happy to work with ya to figure things out as always. Best, Ge! From lars.luthman at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 15:50:04 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Thu Aug 24 15:50:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <20060824194545.30912.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060824194545.30912.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1156449004.10343.1.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 12:45 -0700, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > http://www.linuxsampler.org/ > > Nope, not dead :) http://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html Not open source. But let's not start that discussion again - check the archives to see everyone's differing opinions from the last time. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's not GPL or free software. Lee From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Thu Aug 24 15:57:36 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Thu Aug 24 15:57:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <20060824190106.11726.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060824190106.11726.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44EE04B0.90402@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Drucer Ninetynine escribi?: > > --- carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > >> Requested video codec family [wmv9dmo] (vfm=dmo) not available. >> Requested video codec family [wmvdmo] (vfm=dmo) not available. >> >> soo.. have they heard about theora? maybe theyll like it as much >> as ardour ;) > > :) It works fine with my LFS system and Firefox MPlayer plug-in. > Those videos are amazing! Try to find a way to watch 'em! > Windows Media formats above WMP 9 don't work for some reason with the codecs available for x86_64. On i386 they do not have problems, though... But I don't have i386 versions of mplayer, gstreamer or xine installed, as such... I think I'm pretty much screwed, and will have to resort at watching these on Windows. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7gSwXM+XOp70dwoRAkq3AJ0S1mydHtolWGZ907SesjjLmlvGngCaA/oG FK6e/c+XxEI5b1//HUCXQSg= =RvEv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lars.luthman at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 16:00:45 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Thu Aug 24 16:00:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <1156449235.27216.96.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060824194545.30912.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <1156449004.10343.1.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> <1156449235.27216.96.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1156449645.10343.4.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 15:53 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 21:50 +0200, Lars Luthman wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 12:45 -0700, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > > > http://www.linuxsampler.org/ > > > > > > Nope, not dead :) > > > > http://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html > > > > Not open source. > > > > Yes, it is open source (the source is avaliable - QED). It's not GPL or > free software. I suppose it depends on which definition you use. I prefer this one: http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php So according to your definition it is, according to mine it isn't. No disagreement. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060824/90f4f93c/attachment.bin From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Aug 24 16:06:50 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Aug 24 16:07:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0608241231s7827fcbax17e6629cc65dc53b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060824184426.35693.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> <5bdc1c8b0608241231s7827fcbax17e6629cc65dc53b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1156450010.2174.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 12:31 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > The product that killed LinuxSampler's life as an Open Source program? not true. the "product" responsible was not this one. From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 16:07:40 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Aug 24 16:08:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <1156449235.27216.96.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060824194545.30912.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <1156449004.10343.1.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> <1156449235.27216.96.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0608241307jf84e249waf6f2aa55ee0daed@mail.gmail.com> On 8/24/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 21:50 +0200, Lars Luthman wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 12:45 -0700, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > > > http://www.linuxsampler.org/ > > > > > > Nope, not dead :) > > > > http://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html > > > > Not open source. > > > > Yes, it is open source (the source is avaliable - QED). It's not GPL or > free software. > > Lee Yes, that's a reasonable clarification on my point. Thanks for keeping me honest. I continue to be curious if this was the product that caused them to change the license from GPL to non-GPL. I've never heard. Anyone wishing to can comment back privately if they would prefer. Cheers, Mark From steve at hassard.net Thu Aug 24 16:18:02 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Thu Aug 24 16:18:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <44EE04B0.90402@prodigy.net.mx> References: <20060824190106.11726.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <44EE04B0.90402@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <44EE097A.2080004@hassard.net> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > though... But I don't have i386 versions of mplayer, gstreamer or xine > installed, as such... I think I'm pretty much screwed, and will have > to resort at watching these on Windows. I've transcoded the video using VideoLAN Client, and have uploaded it to FileFactory. Hopefully this will give everyone a chance to see it in action. http://www.filefactory.com/file/7dc303/ later, Steve From juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org Thu Aug 24 16:21:08 2006 From: juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org (juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org) Date: Thu Aug 24 16:19:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ZynAddSubFX segfaults Message-ID: <1156450868.44ee0a34dcaaf@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Hello. I have a problem with ZynAddSubFX. After the last time I compiled it, it segfaults on startup. Here's the part of Valgrind output that seems most relevant: ==19913== Thread 2: ==19913== Invalid read of size 4 ==19913== at 0x80ABA8A: thread1(void*) (in /usr/bin/zynaddsubfx) ==19913== by 0x40D9156: (within /lib/libpthread-2.3.6.so) ==19913== by 0x4441E4D: clone (in /lib/libc-2.3.6.so) ==19913== Address 0x0 is not stack'd, malloc'd or (recently) free'd ==19913== ==19913== Process terminating with default action of signal 11 (SIGSEGV) ==19913== Access not within mapped region at address 0x0 ==19913== at 0x80ABA8A: thread1(void*) (in /usr/bin/zynaddsubfx) ==19913== by 0x40D9156: (within /lib/libpthread-2.3.6.so) ==19913== by 0x4441E4D: clone (in /lib/libc-2.3.6.so) I'm out of luck trying to figure out what might have changed enough to cause this behavior after the last time I compiled. On top of that I'm not a coder and can only guess how to parse the sources for the cause of this. I've built kernel version 2.6.17.11 after the last time I compiled ZynAddSubFX, the previous one was 2.6.17.7. I haven't changed any kernel config settings. I've also compiled a bunch of other stuff as well, but none of them are system internals or direct dependencies to ZynAddSubFX. I'd be grateful if anyone could help me debug this. It's a pity that ZynAddSubFX is so lightly maintained - it's simply the best sounding Linux soft synth I've ever tried, but unfortunately seems to have bugs left in it. Thanks, Juuso Alasuutari ---------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 16:23:23 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Aug 24 16:23:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <1156450010.2174.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060824184426.35693.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> <5bdc1c8b0608241231s7827fcbax17e6629cc65dc53b@mail.gmail.com> <1156450010.2174.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0608241323i7abe4cb9g8c8eca5e63eb5253@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Paul. My curiosity continues... :-) On 8/24/06, Paul Davis wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 12:31 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > The product that killed LinuxSampler's life as an Open Source program? > > not true. the "product" responsible was not this one. > > > From drucer99 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 16:25:01 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Thu Aug 24 16:25:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <44EE097A.2080004@hassard.net> Message-ID: <20060824202501.44132.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> --- Stephen Hassard wrote: > I've transcoded the video using VideoLAN Client, and > have uploaded it to > FileFactory. Hopefully this will give everyone a > chance to see it in action. > > http://www.filefactory.com/file/7dc303/ Thanks Steve! But there are other videos also that are equally if not more impressive, especially this one! http://www.lionstracs.com/download/video/sounds.wmv Here's the list of the other videos: http://www.lionstracs.com/site/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=35&catid=37&Itemid=59 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Thu Aug 24 16:43:33 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Thu Aug 24 16:43:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re:Commercialaudio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> <44EDA22B.6040202@woh.rr.com> <44EDD463.6090804@prodigy.net.mx> <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060825064333.7a0c64f5.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> carmen wrote: > i wouldnt bother, Rezound and Sweep always crash on x86_64 as > soon as you start using them, if you even manage to compile it. > i maen a crash as soon as you select a piece of the wave, or > press play, or open a file. Did you let the authors know? I'm on the sweep mailing lists and I hadn't heard of any crashing problems on x86_64. If the developers aren't informed, how are they ever going to know unless they get their hands on a machine? Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "There are only two things wrong with C++: The initial concept and the implementation." -- Bertrand Meyer From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Thu Aug 24 16:50:17 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Thu Aug 24 16:50:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Audicle Source Released (was: all your face...) In-Reply-To: <7ee4a038080760483267c97d2ae2ca4e@cs.princeton.edu> References: <20060819122809.05EAE291E75A@music.columbia.edu> <7ee4a038080760483267c97d2ae2ca4e@cs.princeton.edu> Message-ID: <1156452617.26677.10.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 15:45 -0400, Ge Wang wrote: > Hi Nando! > > >> Finally, there was a thread from months ago talking about > >> beta-testing the > >> thing on linux, I wonder if people are still interested. > > > > I'm interested... but did not get very far (this is on fc4)... > > > >> audicle > > [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): setting log level to: 5 (INFORM)... > > [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): audicle version: 1.0.0.3 (quintesson) > > [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): (audicle) initializing... > > [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): (audicle) initializing graphics engine... > > [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): | (audicle) cursor state: ON > > [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): | (audicle) initializing opengl/glut... > > [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): (audicle) initializing windowing system... > > [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): | (audicle) window size: 1024 x 768 > > [chuck]:(2:SYSTEM): | (audicle) window position: 0, 0 > > audicle: freeglut_window.c:300: fgOpenWindow: Assertion > > `window->Window.VisualInfo != ((void *)0)' failed. > > Abort > > Sorry for the delayed reply. Were you able to resolve this? Nope, sorry, I did not even try. > The problem appears to be in freeglut, the implementation of GLUT installed > on your system. You may need to update your display drivers or GLUT/GL > libraries. I'm using radeon video cards with 9250 chipset using the standard xorg drivers (with open source 3d acceleration). > Here at the sound lab, we've been able to run things well > under our old RH9 boxes with PlanetCCRMA - though we did get and > installed the most recent NVIDIA drivers that goes along the graphics > card. Are you able to run other OpenGL/GLUT applications on your > system? I don't know if this helps, but I'd be happy to work with ya > to figure things out as always. Which app could I use to test functionality of freeglut? -- Fernando From _ at whats-your.name Thu Aug 24 17:32:02 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Aug 24 17:32:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <44EE04B0.90402@prodigy.net.mx> References: <20060824190106.11726.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <44EE04B0.90402@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <20060824213202.GB15900@replic.net> On Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 02:57:36PM -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Drucer Ninetynine escribi?: > > > > --- carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > > > >> Requested video codec family [wmv9dmo] (vfm=dmo) not available. > >> Requested video codec family [wmvdmo] (vfm=dmo) not available. > >> > >> soo.. have they heard about theora? maybe theyll like it as much > >> as ardour ;) > > > > :) It works fine with my LFS system and Firefox MPlayer plug-in. > > Those videos are amazing! Try to find a way to watch 'em! > > > Windows Media formats above WMP 9 don't work for some reason with the > codecs available for x86_64. On i386 they do not have problems, > though... But I don't have i386 versions of mplayer, gstreamer or xine > installed, as such... I think I'm pretty much screwed, and will have > to resort at watching these on Windows. the video sort of plays with ffmpeg's reverse-engineered wmv9 support, but its all jittery and fucked up. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFE7gSwXM+XOp70dwoRAkq3AJ0S1mydHtolWGZ907SesjjLmlvGngCaA/oG > FK6e/c+XxEI5b1//HUCXQSg= > =RvEv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From _ at whats-your.name Thu Aug 24 17:35:48 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Aug 24 17:35:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re:Commercialaudio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: <20060825064333.7a0c64f5.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> <44EDA22B.6040202@woh.rr.com> <44EDD463.6090804@prodigy.net.mx> <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> <20060825064333.7a0c64f5.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <20060824213548.GC15900@replic.net> On Fri Aug 25, 2006 at 06:43:33AM +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > carmen wrote: > > > i wouldnt bother, Rezound and Sweep always crash on x86_64 as > > soon as you start using them, if you even manage to compile it. > > i maen a crash as soon as you select a piece of the wave, or > > press play, or open a file. > > Did you let the authors know? > > I'm on the sweep mailing lists and I hadn't heard of any crashing > problems on x86_64. If the developers aren't informed, how are > they ever going to know unless they get their hands on a machine? ive mentioned it a few times on #lad when people were discussing one of the two. i dont see a reason to expend effort to make to _more_ free wave editors work right when one already does :) in general it was brokenness related to connecting to jack/alsa (eg hear a blip of sound then crash), opening weird files such as wav64 or aiff, and silly wx/gtk/qt slightly-different-version induced things. iow, not too exciting, but enough to stop the show.. that, and that obnoxious 'paper-clip guy' thing. wtf! From drucer99 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 17:37:39 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Thu Aug 24 17:38:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <20060824202501.44132.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060824213739.72513.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> --- Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > --- Stephen Hassard wrote: > > > I've transcoded the video using VideoLAN Client, > and > > have uploaded it to > > FileFactory. Hopefully this will give everyone a > > chance to see it in action. > > > > http://www.filefactory.com/file/7dc303/ > > Thanks Steve! But there are other videos also that > are > equally if not more impressive, especially this one! > > http://www.lionstracs.com/download/video/sounds.wmv > > Here's the list of the other videos: > http://www.lionstracs.com/site/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=35&catid=37&Itemid=59 > ..I converted the "sounds.wmv" file to "sounds.mpeg" with MPlayer's mencoder. Should be playable with just about any player now. This video demonstrates sounds. You can get it here: http://www.filefactory.com/file/238e07/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Aug 24 17:41:09 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Aug 24 17:41:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re:Commercialaudio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: <20060824213548.GC15900@replic.net> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> <44EDA22B.6040202@woh.rr.com> <44EDD463.6090804@prodigy.net.mx> <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> <20060825064333.7a0c64f5.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060824213548.GC15900@replic.net> Message-ID: <1156455669.27216.119.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 21:35 +0000, carmen wrote: > > ive mentioned it a few times on #lad when people were discussing one > of the two. i dont see a reason to expend effort to make to _more_ > free wave editors work right when one already does :) It's really not fair to the authors of Sweep to complain in a public forum about bugs you didn't bother to report to them. Lee From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Thu Aug 24 17:44:49 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Thu Aug 24 17:45:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re:Commercialaudio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: <20060824213548.GC15900@replic.net> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> <44EDA22B.6040202@woh.rr.com> <44EDD463.6090804@prodigy.net.mx> <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> <20060825064333.7a0c64f5.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060824213548.GC15900@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060825074449.42b1878c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> carmen wrote: > ive mentioned it a few times on #lad when people were discussing > one of the two. Ok, so you dissed the programs on #lad when none of the developers were around. That productive. > in general it was brokenness related to connecting to jack/alsa > (eg hear a blip of sound then crash), opening weird files such as > wav64 or aiff, So which program was that; Rezound or Sweep? > and silly wx/gtk/qt slightly-different-version induced things. Again, Rezound or Sweep? Specifics? So, free software developers have devoted hundreds or thousands of hours working for love on these creations and you can't be bothered spending 10 minutes on a decent bug report????? Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Being really good at C++ is like being really good at using rocks to sharpen sticks." -- Thant Tessman From lau at kudla.org Thu Aug 24 18:17:00 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Aug 24 18:34:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <1156449235.27216.96.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060824194545.30912.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <1156449004.10343.1.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> <1156449235.27216.96.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200608241817.01580.lau@kudla.org> On Thu August 24 2006 15:53, Lee Revell wrote: > Yes, it is open source (the source is avaliable - QED). It's > not GPL or free software. 1. Linuxsampler is not "open source" any more than Microsoft's "shared source" initiative releases "open source" software. The term "open source" is a trademark of the Open Source Initiative, and as regards software licenses, it may only be used to refer to licenses conforming to the Open Source Definition created by OSI. Linuxsampler doesn't conform, because of section 6 in the OSD: "The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor. For example, it may not restrict the program from being used in a business, or from being used for genetic research." So if they are calling themselves open source (note: I don't think they are) then they would be violating the trademark of Eric Raymond and his buddies. On the other hand, I have no idea whether the OSI has gone after violators of its trademark the way the FSF has gone after GPL violations on software to which it holds the copyright. Trademarks can be diluted, as you just did ever-so-slightly with your assertion above. 2. The GNU GPL itself, meaning the actual text of the license, is not in the public domain. While Linuxsampler is probably not itself violating the GPL (assuming they either wrote all their own code or got all contributors to sign off on the license change.... if it's your code, even RMS will say you can license it however you want), they are, to all appearances, violating the FSF's copyright on the text of the GPL itself. I just grabbed a copy of their source and the COPYING file is an untouched copy of the GPL, which is fine, but then in their README they just have an additional sentence saying it may not be used commercially. If the README can't be considered part of the license, then Linuxsampler is being distributed under the GPL no matter what their intent. (See also: SCO.) On the other hand, if the README *can* be considered part of the GPL, it sure looks like they're violating the FSF's terms of use on the GPL (as opposed to the terms of the GPL): http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#ModifyGPL "You can use the GPL terms (possibly modified) in another license provided that you call your license by another name and do not include the GPL preamble, and provided you modify the instructions-for-use at the end enough to make it clearly different in wording and not mention GNU (though the actual procedure you describe may be similar)." Note that the above isn't any sort of official license to the GPL: officially, the only way to use the GPL as your program's license is verbatim without any additional restrictions, though you can make exceptions that give the licensees additional freedoms. I read the above FAQ entry as a "we won't sue you if....." sort of thing. I know this has been discussed on the list previously, but I searched the archive for mentions of these two specific issues and there were none. I have an actual lawyer for when my understanding of licenses like this will impact my business. I don't care about Linuxsampler enough to spend the money and ask him about this, especially when someone's bound to bump into Larry Lessig or someone someday and ask him for free, but I feel pretty confident about what I've said. Confident enough that if I were working on a Linux-based hardware DAW to sell commercially, I would probably take my chances and just use Linuxsampler. I'd be more afraid of the mysterious gag-order-inducing entity that started all of this than of the Linuxsampler guys. If it was, as some people have supposed, a patent infringement situation, Linuxsampler can't be redistributed under the GPL by anyone knowing about the patent in the first place, regardless of any attempts to add additional restrictions. Rob From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Aug 24 18:43:43 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Aug 24 18:43:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <200608241817.01580.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060824194545.30912.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <1156449004.10343.1.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> <1156449235.27216.96.camel@mindpipe> <200608241817.01580.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1156459423.27216.129.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 18:17 -0400, Rob wrote: > On Thu August 24 2006 15:53, Lee Revell wrote: > > Yes, it is open source (the source is avaliable - QED). It's > > not GPL or free software. > > 1. Linuxsampler is not "open source" any more than Microsoft's > "shared source" initiative releases "open source" software. The > term "open source" is a trademark of the Open Source Initiative, > and as regards software licenses, it may only be used to refer > to licenses conforming to the Open Source Definition created by > OSI. Linuxsampler doesn't conform, because of section 6 in the > OSD: > Wasn't "open source" already in vernacular use before the OSI trademarked it? Lee From juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org Thu Aug 24 18:56:19 2006 From: juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org (juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org) Date: Thu Aug 24 18:53:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ZynAddSubFX segfaults (SOLVED) In-Reply-To: <1156450868.44ee0a34dcaaf@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> References: <1156450868.44ee0a34dcaaf@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Message-ID: <1156460179.44ee2e937a5cd@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Quoting juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org: > Hello. I have a problem with ZynAddSubFX. After the last time I compiled it, > it > segfaults on startup. Here's the part of Valgrind output that seems most > relevant: [snip] Excuse me for posting this stupidity, the problem was simply that I left empty config variables in src/Makefile.inc. :) Problem solved. Thanks, Juuso ---------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ From seablaede at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 20:03:00 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Thu Aug 24 18:58:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re:Commercialaudio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: <20060825074449.42b1878c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> <44EDA22B.6040202@woh.rr.com> <44EDD463.6090804@prodigy.net.mx> <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> <20060825064333.7a0c64f5.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060824213548.GC15900@replic.net> <20060825074449.42b1878c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <44EE3E34.2050000@gmail.com> >> in general it was brokenness related to connecting to jack/alsa >> > (eg hear a blip of sound then crash), opening weird files such as >> > wav64 or aiff, > > So which program was that; Rezound or Sweep? > That probably would have been rezound, which by the way has been fixed, and has been fixed for quite some time. So not only are you trash talking software that you havent reported the bugs on, but you are doing so on bugs that had been fixed and a patch availiable for quite a while. > >> > and silly wx/gtk/qt slightly-different-version induced things. > > Again, Rezound or Sweep? Specifics? Since Rezound used FOX before and is in the process of being ported to QT, I would wager a strong guess this is Sweep that is being referred to here. > So, free software developers have devoted hundreds or thousands > of hours working for love on these creations and you can't be > bothered spending 10 minutes on a decent bug report????? But can spend that time making fun of it instead... > ive mentioned it a few times on #lad when people were discussing one of the two. i dont see a reason to expend effort to make to _more_ free wave editors work right when one already does :) Because some people enjoy having the choice, and dont agree that your wave editor is the best for them. Glad to know that because alsaplayer works, there is no reason that anyone might want to use a different one. Seablade From seablaede at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 20:05:19 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Thu Aug 24 19:00:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <1156459423.27216.129.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060824194545.30912.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <1156449004.10343.1.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> <1156449235.27216.96.camel@mindpipe> <200608241817.01580.lau@kudla.org> <1156459423.27216.129.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44EE3EBF.90106@gmail.com> >> > > > Wasn't "open source" already in vernacular use before the OSI > trademarked it? As much as I agree with you Lee on this, which may be a rare occasion between us, personally as you mentioned before, this entire debate was beaten to death, resurrected, and beaten to death MANY times before, including at least once in recent history on either this list or the LAD list, it might be better to just end it here. Seablade From _ at whats-your.name Thu Aug 24 19:13:12 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Aug 24 19:13:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re:Commercialaudio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: <44EE3E34.2050000@gmail.com> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> <44EDA22B.6040202@woh.rr.com> <44EDD463.6090804@prodigy.net.mx> <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> <20060825064333.7a0c64f5.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060824213548.GC15900@replic.net> <20060825074449.42b1878c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <44EE3E34.2050000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060824231312.GE15900@replic.net> > That probably would have been rezound, which by the way has been fixed, and has been fixed for > quite some time. So not only are you trash talking software that you havent reported the bugs on, > but you are doing so on bugs that had been fixed and a patch availiable for quite a while. is the patch in a release version? i use whatever is newest in portage (including masked and -* keyworded). im about to run these two versions thru their paces and see if i can get them to crash :) [ebuild N ] media-sound/rezound-0.12.2_beta-r1 USE="alsa flac jack nls soundtouch vorbis -16bittmp -oss -portaudio" 1,689 kB [ebuild R ] media-sound/sweep-0.9.1-r1 USE="alsa nls vorbis" 877 kB [2] are they new enough? the rezound came in a svn update to the pa overlay today.. > Because some people enjoy having the choice, and dont agree that your wave editor is the best for > them. Glad to know that because alsaplayer works, there is no reason that anyone might want to use > a different one. all the other ones use bio2jack :) From _ at whats-your.name Thu Aug 24 19:34:10 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Aug 24 19:34:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: sweep instability In-Reply-To: <20060824231312.GE15900@replic.net> References: <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> <44EDA22B.6040202@woh.rr.com> <44EDD463.6090804@prodigy.net.mx> <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> <20060825064333.7a0c64f5.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060824213548.GC15900@replic.net> <20060825074449.42b1878c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <44EE3E34.2050000@gmail.com> <20060824231312.GE15900@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060824233410.GF15900@replic.net> > [ebuild R ] media-sound/sweep-0.9.1-r1 USE="alsa nls vorbis" 877 kB [2] in sweep-0.9.1-r1 all i have to do is open a file, and press the space bar. then i get this: Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception. [Switching to Thread 1090525520 (LWP 28244)] 0x0000000000416deb in alsa_device_offset () (gdb) where #0 0x0000000000416deb in alsa_device_offset () #1 0x000000000042af84 in head_read () #2 0x00002ad0c16a934a in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #3 0x00002ad0c187517e in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6 #4 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () if you think it's useful, i can recompile with -g.. From seablaede at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 20:48:59 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Thu Aug 24 19:43:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Single track wave editors (was Re:Commercialaudio software on Linux) In-Reply-To: <20060824231312.GE15900@replic.net> References: <35dac41ca21.6d066f3d@smtp.wanadoo.nl> <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> <44EDA22B.6040202@woh.rr.com> <44EDD463.6090804@prodigy.net.mx> <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> <20060825064333.7a0c64f5.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060824213548.GC15900@replic.net> <20060825074449.42b1878c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <44EE3E34.2050000@gmail.com> <20060824231312.GE15900@replic.net> Message-ID: <44EE48FB.6080306@gmail.com> > is the patch in a release version? i use whatever is newest in portage (including masked and -* keyworded). im about to run these two versions thru their paces and see if i can get them to crash :) I don't believe it is in portage, then again last I checked on it in portage they didn't have anything newer than 12.0, so check, if on open it crashes while trying to connect to jack, it probably isn't in there, though a quick search of their mailing list archive will provide you with the patch. I believe I was told the patch is applied already in the SVN version, however I have not checked or compiled Rezound in many months due to it working for me. Seablade From lau at kudla.org Thu Aug 24 19:41:50 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Aug 24 19:46:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <1156459423.27216.129.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060824194545.30912.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <200608241817.01580.lau@kudla.org> <1156459423.27216.129.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200608241941.50760.lau@kudla.org> On Thu August 24 2006 18:43, Lee Revell wrote: > > source" software. The term "open source" is a trademark of > > the Open Source Initiative, and as regards software > Wasn't "open source" already in vernacular use before the OSI > trademarked it? I'm not finding too many references to its use as regards software licensing prior to the registration of opensource.org in 1998, but that may not matter.... ask the millions of people who were making and eating pemmican a century before Con Agra trademarked the word in 1970. Rob From lau at kudla.org Thu Aug 24 19:45:30 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Aug 24 19:46:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <44EE3EBF.90106@gmail.com> References: <20060824194545.30912.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <1156459423.27216.129.camel@mindpipe> <44EE3EBF.90106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200608241945.30614.lau@kudla.org> On Thu August 24 2006 20:05, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > As much as I agree with you Lee on this, which may be a rare > occasion between us, personally as you mentioned before, this > entire debate was beaten to death, resurrected, and beaten to I have an archive of the previous LinuxSampler discussions. It's a few dozen messages. I challenge you to provide the message ID's of any messages in those threads discussing the two specific issues I brought up. You can't, because everyone was too busy going, "Hey, they're violating the GPL" or "No, they're not" or "Hmm, I wonder if Tascam is behind this" to wonder if Linuxsampler is violating the OSI trademark or the FSF's copyright on the text of the GPL. Rob From _ at whats-your.name Thu Aug 24 19:58:57 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Aug 24 19:59:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: sweep instability In-Reply-To: <20060824233410.GF15900@replic.net> References: <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> <44EDA22B.6040202@woh.rr.com> <44EDD463.6090804@prodigy.net.mx> <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> <20060825064333.7a0c64f5.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060824213548.GC15900@replic.net> <20060825074449.42b1878c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <44EE3E34.2050000@gmail.com> <20060824231312.GE15900@replic.net> <20060824233410.GF15900@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060824235857.GG15900@replic.net> On Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 11:34:10PM +0000, carmen wrote: > > [ebuild R ] media-sound/sweep-0.9.1-r1 USE="alsa nls vorbis" 877 kB [2] > > in sweep-0.9.1-r1 all i have to do is open a file, and press the space bar. then i get this: heres the same thing with a SVN checkout, and -g: (gdb) continue Continuing. [New Thread 1082132816 (LWP 31968)] [Thread 1082132816 (LWP 31968) exited] [New Thread 1090525520 (LWP 31983)] Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception. [Switching to Thread 1090525520 (LWP 31983)] 0x0000000000418ed8 in alsa_device_write (handle=0x987700, buf=0x0, count=0, offset=-1) at driver_alsa.c:359 359 uframes = count / handle->driver_channels; (gdb) where #0 0x0000000000418ed8 in alsa_device_write (handle=0x987700, buf=0x0, count=0, offset=-1) at driver_alsa.c:359 #1 0x000000000041865b in device_write (handle=0x987700, buf=0x0, count=0, offset=-1) at driver.c:701 #2 0x0000000000431fdf in play_active_heads () at play.c:896 #3 0x00002ad5e50c934a in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #4 0x00002ad5e529517e in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6 #5 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Aug 24 20:03:50 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Aug 24 20:03:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: sweep instability In-Reply-To: <20060824233410.GF15900@replic.net> References: <20060820102730.GA10704@mccormick.cx> <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> <44EDA22B.6040202@woh.rr.com> <44EDD463.6090804@prodigy.net.mx> <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> <20060825064333.7a0c64f5.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060824213548.GC15900@replic.net> <20060825074449.42b1878c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <44EE3E34.2050000@gmail.com> <20060824231312.GE15900@replic.net> <20060824233410.GF15900@replic.net> Message-ID: <1156464231.27216.133.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 23:34 +0000, carmen wrote: > > [ebuild R ] media-sound/sweep-0.9.1-r1 USE="alsa nls vorbis" 877 kB [2] > > in sweep-0.9.1-r1 all i have to do is open a file, and press the space bar. then i get this: > > Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception. > [Switching to Thread 1090525520 (LWP 28244)] > 0x0000000000416deb in alsa_device_offset () > (gdb) where > #0 0x0000000000416deb in alsa_device_offset () > #1 0x000000000042af84 in head_read () > #2 0x00002ad0c16a934a in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 > #3 0x00002ad0c187517e in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6 > #4 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () > > > if you think it's useful, i can recompile with -g.. > Yes, but what would be even more useful is to report this to the developers. I'm not sure what you expect LAU readers to do about it. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Aug 24 20:04:51 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Aug 24 20:04:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <200608241941.50760.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060824194545.30912.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <200608241817.01580.lau@kudla.org> <1156459423.27216.129.camel@mindpipe> <200608241941.50760.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1156464292.27216.134.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 19:41 -0400, Rob wrote: > On Thu August 24 2006 18:43, Lee Revell wrote: > > > source" software. The term "open source" is a trademark of > > > the Open Source Initiative, and as regards software > > Wasn't "open source" already in vernacular use before the OSI > > trademarked it? > > I'm not finding too many references to its use as regards > software licensing prior to the registration of opensource.org > in 1998, but that may not matter.... ask the millions of people > who were making and eating pemmican a century before Con Agra > trademarked the word in 1970. Pemmican? Is that Canadian for "beef jerky"? ;-) From seablaede at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 21:14:19 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Thu Aug 24 20:09:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <200608241945.30614.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060824194545.30912.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <1156459423.27216.129.camel@mindpipe> <44EE3EBF.90106@gmail.com> <200608241945.30614.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <44EE4EEB.5020207@gmail.com> > I have an archive of the previous LinuxSampler discussions. It's > a few dozen messages. I challenge you to provide the message > ID's of any messages in those threads discussing the two > specific issues I brought up. > > You can't, because everyone was too busy going, "Hey, they're > violating the GPL" or "No, they're not" or "Hmm, I wonder if > Tascam is behind this" to wonder if Linuxsampler is violating > the OSI trademark or the FSF's copyright on the text of the GPL. > And the spirit of the discussion is the same, are they violating the semantical issues of these things, or is does their intent make up for that. Personally I don't care worth a lick for semantics, and I consider the fact that people do argue over this useless. I also think the fact that anyone has trademarked Open Source ridiculous. That is a sign that our society has gotten much to uptight about many things. Seablade From slothlove at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 20:51:37 2006 From: slothlove at gmail.com (Spencer Russell) Date: Thu Aug 24 20:51:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Centrino Duo and AD1981HD Sound Card: Good for Linux Audio? In-Reply-To: <1156412108.9924.269304783@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1156412108.9924.269304783@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On 8/24/06, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Spencer Russell wrote: > > One of the reasons I've been looking to replace my current laptop is > > that the sound card and video card seem to compete for control of > > whichever bus they're on, so I get lots of xruns with any latency less > > than about 60ms. > > PCI I/O performance depends mostly on the chipset. "Centrino" means it > has Intel which is thought to be the best in this regard. > > What chipset did your old laptop have? > VIA ProSavage KN133. It's an older HP pavillion laptop with a 1GHz Duron processor spencer From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Thu Aug 24 21:00:39 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Thu Aug 24 21:00:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: sweep instability In-Reply-To: <20060824235857.GG15900@replic.net> References: <44E84EEC.4030307@woh.rr.com> <44EDA22B.6040202@woh.rr.com> <44EDD463.6090804@prodigy.net.mx> <20060824172618.GD4914@replic.net> <20060825064333.7a0c64f5.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060824213548.GC15900@replic.net> <20060825074449.42b1878c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <44EE3E34.2050000@gmail.com> <20060824231312.GE15900@replic.net> <20060824233410.GF15900@replic.net> <20060824235857.GG15900@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060825110039.051b6c6d.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> carmen wrote: > heres the same thing with a SVN checkout, and -g: Thats much better. Thank you. I have SVN commit rights on the Sweep tree so I can look at this, but unfortunately I don't have access to a x86_64 machine. I will however forward this to the Sweep devel list. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "It has been discovered that C++ provides a remarkable facility for concealing the trival details of a program -- such as where its bugs are." -- David Keppel From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Thu Aug 24 22:36:17 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu Aug 24 22:37:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <44EE4EEB.5020207@gmail.com> References: <20060824194545.30912.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <1156459423.27216.129.camel@mindpipe> <44EE3EBF.90106@gmail.com> <200608241945.30614.lau@kudla.org> <44EE4EEB.5020207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44EE6221.2040301@boosthardware.com> Thomas Vecchione wrote: > > Personally I don't care worth a lick for semantics, and I consider the > fact that people do argue over this useless. > Well, that just makes it more fun for people like me to fill your inbox with useless conversation... > I also think the fact that anyone has trademarked Open Source > ridiculous. That is a sign that our society has gotten much to uptight > about many things. > If they didn't then some other company would and then potentially no one would be able to use it. Possibly the trademark ensures that everyone can keep using the term. I guess Rob is referring to the same point. How strict are the OSI about enforcing the trademark? -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From seablaede at gmail.com Fri Aug 25 01:10:53 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Fri Aug 25 00:06:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <44EE6221.2040301@boosthardware.com> References: <20060824194545.30912.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <1156459423.27216.129.camel@mindpipe> <44EE3EBF.90106@gmail.com> <200608241945.30614.lau@kudla.org> <44EE4EEB.5020207@gmail.com> <44EE6221.2040301@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44EE865D.8010807@gmail.com> > > Well, that just makes it more fun for people like me to fill your inbox with useless conversation... Feel free, I made my request, people can feel free to ignore it as is there right. > > If they didn't then some other company would and then potentially no one would be able to use it. Possibly the trademark ensures that everyone can keep using the term. And that is my point, the fact something like this CAN be trademarked, or would need to be is completely a sign something is wrong, and people have gotten to ridiculously uptight about things. Seablade From lau at kudla.org Fri Aug 25 01:04:20 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Fri Aug 25 01:05:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <44EE865D.8010807@gmail.com> References: <20060824194545.30912.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <44EE6221.2040301@boosthardware.com> <44EE865D.8010807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200608250104.20724.lau@kudla.org> On Fri August 25 2006 01:10, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > And that is my point, the fact something like this CAN be > trademarked, or would need to be is completely a sign > something is wrong, and people have gotten to ridiculously > uptight about things. Yeah, the whole patent/trademark/copyright/"intellectual property" thing has gotten way out of hand. The strategies being adopted by various free software and open source related entities are a response to that, dating back to the formation of the FSF 20 years ago. They may be ridiculous, but assuming these tactics are effective, they're absolutely necessary. Even if some of the participants are still hobbyists, software is totally a business now. Rob From mis at artengine.ca Fri Aug 25 09:55:42 2006 From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta) Date: Fri Aug 25 09:55:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Beginner singing, music theory (guitar) and ear training, solfege? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <864pw0kjhd.fsf@localhost.localdomain> Hi, Sorry for the late reply. In addition to what others said.... "Loki Davison" writes: > G'day all, > I'm keen on learning to sing in my now extensive spare time. Anyone > now of any good books or sites aimed at beginner singers? I can't recall the actual titles (and I am definitely not a singer) but the best books for singers that I have seen where about technique, anatomy, the vocal cords etc. The best thing is to pick up some lessons. But it matters with who! Not all teachers were created equal. The most iportant thing to learn is how to breath and how to use your body as a resonator. These things you could probably learn from various "voice technique" and speech classes (often destined for public speakers, news anchors, actors etc.) and will probably cost less than singing lessons (here, in Canada, provate singing lessons can go up to $150/hr). See if your local university offers anything for the general public which would be cheaper than picking up private lessons. > I'm also wondering if doing some ear training stuff would be good. Absolutely. >I'm > mostly interested in improving my guitar playing but i'm guessing this > would really help over all. Indeed. Being a guitarist myself (and I used to teach the guitar for a number of years) I find that most guitarists don't "breath". Being able to sing what you play (and even "hear" it ahead of time) is a big plus. It helps phrasing, expression, articulation. > Should i use GNU solfege for ear training? > Is there a good intro for beginners somewhere? guitarnoise.com is the > most useful stuff i've found so far. Anyone know a good book on any of > these topics? If possible focused towards guitar, music theory, ear > training, etc and not one of those horrible school music style method > books. I have no interest in sing mary has a little lamb. ;) Robert Starer - Rhythmic Training is a great book filled with different rhythmic exercises for 1 and 2 hands progressing from easy to very hard. Paul Hindemith - Elementary Training for Musicians is a good overall rhythm and solf?ge instruction book. As per theory, probably anything concerning harmony and voice-leading will do, plus maybe a little counterpoint. Actually, some species counterpoint first and then harmony. I don't have any references handy because most of the matierials I used were written by the professors at the university for that specific university. I've looked at other books but can't recall titles. After that a little bit on form and, afterwards, it helps to look at other people's scores and trying to figure out what they do (analysis). It does not hurt to read up on jazz theory and explore some of the 20th century approaches (serial composition, chance, process music, etc). I found that the best way to solf?ge/ear training is to transcribe your favourite music (famous solos, for instance) and learn to sing and play them. For this, you will probably not need too many instruction books. If you know music notation, learn to sing, play and write them as accurately as you can. Later, yo can just write without having to sing them or even touching the instrument :) It all sounds like a lot but if you actually have a bit of spare time, in a matter of few months practice you will make huge progress (more than you think). Have fun. ./MiS From jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com Fri Aug 25 10:18:53 2006 From: jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham) Date: Fri Aug 25 10:09:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <44EDF771.7010602@prodigy.net.mx> References: <20060824184426.35693.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> <"20060824185609.GA15900"@replic.net> <44EDF771.7010602@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <20060825141853.GA27399@thor.chicagoguitar.com> On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 02:01:05PM -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Indeed, I couldn't see it either... Will have to upload it to the home > Windows? PC... Why don't you install w32codecs and watch them in mplayer? Jeremiah From jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com Fri Aug 25 10:21:34 2006 From: jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham) Date: Fri Aug 25 10:11:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <44EE04B0.90402@prodigy.net.mx> References: <20060824190106.11726.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <44EE04B0.90402@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <20060825142134.GB27399@thor.chicagoguitar.com> On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 02:57:36PM -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Windows Media formats above WMP 9 don't work for some reason with the > codecs available for x86_64. On i386 they do not have problems, > though... But I don't have i386 versions of mplayer, gstreamer or xine > installed, as such... I think I'm pretty much screwed, and will have > to resort at watching these on Windows. I have x86_64 also. You need to install the 32bit binary version of mplayer as well as the w32codecs. I am using 64 bit mode linux. Jeremiah From ish at sarai.net Fri Aug 25 10:24:52 2006 From: ish at sarai.net (ish@sarai.net) Date: Fri Aug 25 10:30:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Live recording : Post production/ removing noise Message-ID: <4e4a3da41942fd66fdab6e80539e77b8@sarai.net> hi All ... i had recorded a classical guitar concert using a DAT player and a couple of Dynamic mics (Shure 606). To get stereo recording... now the concert hall where i did this recording was an old one with very noisy/creeky chairs. I really wanted to remove all this from the recording along with all the coughs and the faint A/c hum. Can anyone please recommend a procedure i can use to remove these unwanted noise without damaging the recording.. and what is the right procedure to record classical or Acoustic recitals ie what mics should one use with that and at what settings etc ..thanks Best ISh (frEeMuZik.net/ sarai.net) From slothlove at gmail.com Fri Aug 25 11:41:12 2006 From: slothlove at gmail.com (Spencer Russell) Date: Fri Aug 25 11:41:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Live recording : Post production/ removing noise In-Reply-To: <4e4a3da41942fd66fdab6e80539e77b8@sarai.net> References: <4e4a3da41942fd66fdab6e80539e77b8@sarai.net> Message-ID: When I was a student at Oberlin I worked for the audio department of the Conservatory, so I recorded somewhere around 100-150 classical recitals a year, almost all with a stereo pair. I used a whole lot of small diaphragm condensers in an ORTF setup (cardioid mics with 110 degrees between and the capsules 17cm apart). I'm a big fan of the Neumann KM184 mics. I also used the Sennheiser MKH140 mics sometimes, and shoeps CMC cardioids. I didn't worry too much about the music getting mixed down to mono, which is why I didn't use an XY configuration very much. Generally I prefer near-coincident (the mic capsules a little apart, as in ORTF) to coincident(The capsules right on top of one another, as in an XY setup) because it captures delay as well as amplitude information and gives a stereo field that I like better. I less commonly used a spaced pair of omni mics, which in my understanding capture the stereo field mostly with delay info. (Sources on the left hit the microphone on the left a little before they hit the right mic) I like a spaced pair for a large ensemble, and for a really big group sometimes I'd use 3 mics evenly spaced, or even an ORTF flanked by omnis. We had a couple pairs of Neumann M150 mics which are absolutely wonderful. You do need to pay attention to where you point them though, because they get more directional at high frequencies. I also used Sennheiser MKH20 mics for less critical applications. With all of these stereo pair techniques, I pan the left mic hard left and the right mic hard right, or more commonly, I'm just recording each mic directly to the left and right channels of a DAT with a CD backup. Also, it's important to be flexible, probably 85% of the time I basically just set up a pair of mics in the center of the room about 10-15 feet in front of the performer (for an individual or small ensemble. Back it up a bit for larger groups) with one of the techniques described above. It wasn't unheard of though, to vary wildly from the standard 2-mics-in-the-middle approach, so if you have time for a sound check, it's nice to be able to move the mics around and let your ears decide. Depending on your clientelle that can be a rare luxury, though, so get used to figuring out why a room sounds the way it does so you know where to put your mics. As far as fixing noisy recordings, there's only so much turd-polishing you can do, but I've had some success with the Gnome Wave Cleaner. You've got to be pretty careful though, because if you use it too aggressively it makes things sound really nasty. Watch out for a kind of metallic comb-filtery kind of effect. hope this helps, spencer On 8/25/06, ish@sarai.net wrote: > hi All ... > i had recorded a classical guitar concert using a DAT player and a couple > of Dynamic mics (Shure 606). To get stereo recording... now the concert > hall where i did this recording was an old one with very noisy/creeky > chairs. I really wanted to remove all this from the recording along with > all the coughs and the faint A/c hum. Can anyone please recommend a > procedure i can use to remove these unwanted noise without damaging the > recording.. and what is the right procedure to record classical or Acoustic > recitals ie what mics should one use with that and at what settings etc > ..thanks > > > Best > > ISh > (frEeMuZik.net/ sarai.net) > > From cladisch at fastmail.net Fri Aug 25 11:51:28 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Aug 25 11:51:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Centrino Duo and AD1981HD Sound Card: Good for Linux Audio? In-Reply-To: References: <1156412108.9924.269304783@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1156521088.10288.269418129@webmail.messagingengine.com> Spencer Russell wrote: > On 8/24/06, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > Spencer Russell wrote: > > > One of the reasons I've been looking to replace my current laptop is > > > that the sound card and video card seem to compete for control of > > > whichever bus they're on, so I get lots of xruns with any latency less > > > than about 60ms. > > > > What chipset did your old laptop have? > > VIA ProSavage KN133 Yeah, that one is one of the worse chipsets. Enjoy your new laptop! Clemens From eun.sung at no-log.org Fri Aug 25 11:08:27 2006 From: eun.sung at no-log.org (eun.sung) Date: Fri Aug 25 13:07:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd acts weird Message-ID: <44EF126B.5040004@no-log.org> hi list on a new system, i can't understand what happens with jack i can launch jackd - seems to work normally - create some connections with terminatorX for example but when i "power" on terminatorX - the same thing happens with kluppe (haven't tried yet with other apps) - the audio file doesn't get read at all although it gets read when i use the app with a direct ALSA output i tried both stable and svn versions of jack and run that all on a 2.6.17.11-molnar's patched kernel do you have an idea about what happens here? thanks greetings From alberto.botti at gmail.com Fri Aug 25 13:33:09 2006 From: alberto.botti at gmail.com (Alberto Botti) Date: Fri Aug 25 13:33:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Centrino Duo and AD1981HD Sound Card: Good for Linux Audio? In-Reply-To: <1156521088.10288.269418129@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1156412108.9924.269304783@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1156521088.10288.269418129@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1156527189.12109.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Il giorno ven, 25/08/2006 alle 17.51 +0200, Clemens Ladisch ha scritto: > Spencer Russell wrote: > > On 8/24/06, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > > Spencer Russell wrote: > > > > One of the reasons I've been looking to replace my current laptop is > > > > that the sound card and video card seem to compete for control of > > > > whichever bus they're on, so I get lots of xruns with any latency less > > > > than about 60ms. > > > > > > What chipset did your old laptop have? > > > > VIA ProSavage KN133 > > Yeah, that one is one of the worse chipsets. I've used a similar notebook with the same chipset (a Compaq built in 2002) for a number of years for light audio work (live sets with GDAM and terminatorX), surely a cheap machine (useful as a small heater when running at full frequency) with a crappy chassis, but reliable and with a good driver support under Linux... From slothlove at gmail.com Fri Aug 25 14:21:07 2006 From: slothlove at gmail.com (Spencer Russell) Date: Fri Aug 25 14:21:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Centrino Duo and AD1981HD Sound Card: Good for Linux Audio? In-Reply-To: <1156521088.10288.269418129@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1156412108.9924.269304783@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1156521088.10288.269418129@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On 8/25/06, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > Enjoy your new laptop! > Clemens > Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get the deal I was hoping for. A local college had some extra's (They get these $2000 laptops for $800 for all their incoming freshman) so they thought they'd be able to sell them off, but I guess their CFO squashed the idea and said that it violated the terms of their agreement. Looks like it's back to looking at the full price market. -spencer From bruceslists at ntlworld.com Fri Aug 25 15:27:57 2006 From: bruceslists at ntlworld.com (BJaY) Date: Fri Aug 25 15:27:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] High sample rate cards Message-ID: Hi, I'm looking to do some high sample rate stuff - 500kHz or more - for modulated ultrasonics experiments. Anyone know of a card that will do this ? All I've seen is data aquisition cards that cost silly money, and the sound cards I've found seem to top out at 192kHz. Any pointers appreciated. Cheers, Bruce. From st at tobiah.org Fri Aug 25 16:01:50 2006 From: st at tobiah.org (st) Date: Fri Aug 25 16:02:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] High sample rate cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44EF572E.2060000@tobiah.org> BJaY wrote: > Hi, > I'm looking to do some high sample rate stuff - 500kHz or more Where did you get a microphone and preamp that would respond at that frequency? You will be up into maritime radio communication band, approaching AM radio band. I wonder if you will have problems with interference. From martin.wohlleben at gmx.de Fri Aug 25 16:08:49 2006 From: martin.wohlleben at gmx.de (Martin Wohlleben) Date: Fri Aug 25 16:08:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd acts weird In-Reply-To: <44EF126B.5040004@no-log.org> References: <44EF126B.5040004@no-log.org> Message-ID: <200608252208.50276.martin.wohlleben@gmx.de> Hello, I tried kluppe on current realtime-audio setups and it didn't work fine anymore (one year ago on SuSE 9.1 it was running on the same computer/souncard config at smallest available buffersizes without any problems) Now, the only possibility to get it working with jack is to increase the buffer size to 1024 samples or more. You should check if kluppe is still conncted to jack after starting (e.g. with qjackctl - if it's still connected after start-up you should see kluppe's channels). I tried kluppe under Agnula-Demudi and Gentoo with rt-patched kernels and rt-privileges, so it seems to be a problem of kluppe or some other new libraries used by it. Jackd seems to run ok, because other apps like ardour, sooperlooper, jamin or Rosegarden are still running fine at small buffers (64-128 samples). I didn't use terminatorX yet, so I can't say if it is the same for me. regards Martin Am Freitag 25 August 2006 17:08 schrieb eun.sung: > hi list > > on a new system, i can't understand what happens with jack > > i can launch jackd - seems to work normally - create some connections > with terminatorX for example > > but when i "power" on terminatorX - the same thing happens with kluppe > (haven't tried yet with other apps) - the audio file doesn't get read at > all although it gets read when i use the app with a direct ALSA output > > i tried both stable and svn versions of jack and run that all on a > 2.6.17.11-molnar's patched kernel > > do you have an idea about what happens here? > > thanks > greetings From eun.sung at no-log.org Fri Aug 25 14:55:32 2006 From: eun.sung at no-log.org (eun.sung) Date: Fri Aug 25 16:54:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd acts weird In-Reply-To: <200608252208.50276.martin.wohlleben@gmx.de> References: <44EF126B.5040004@no-log.org> <200608252208.50276.martin.wohlleben@gmx.de> Message-ID: <44EF47A4.7060708@no-log.org> hi thanks for reply it's not a kluppe problem but a jackd one i managed to get some sound in jack but using it in "playback only" mode and i have many clips and xruns actually i reinstalled my system with a new kernel and i can't make it work as fine as my old one i try to find the best realtime solution on my former system i used a 2.6.15-mingo's patched with a standalone realtime-lsm module and i was so satisfied with that now i have a 2.6.17.11 and seeing realtime-lsm seeming deprecated makes me try set_rlimits and PAM solutions but for now it's not efificient at all i guess there must have been many experiences report about that on the list but i'd be interested if some would like to share experiences with recent kernels thanks greetings Martin Wohlleben a ?crit : > Hello, > > I tried kluppe on current realtime-audio setups and it didn't work fine > anymore (one year ago on SuSE 9.1 it was running on the same > computer/souncard config at smallest available buffersizes without any > problems) > Now, the only possibility to get it working with jack is to increase the > buffer size to 1024 samples or more. > You should check if kluppe is still conncted to jack after starting (e.g. > with qjackctl - if it's still connected after start-up you should see > kluppe's channels). > I tried kluppe under Agnula-Demudi and Gentoo with rt-patched kernels and > rt-privileges, so it seems to be a problem of kluppe or some other new > libraries used by it. > Jackd seems to run ok, because other apps like ardour, sooperlooper, jamin or > Rosegarden are still running fine at small buffers (64-128 samples). > I didn't use terminatorX yet, so I can't say if it is the same for me. > > regards > Martin > > Am Freitag 25 August 2006 17:08 schrieb eun.sung: > >> hi list >> >> on a new system, i can't understand what happens with jack >> >> i can launch jackd - seems to work normally - create some connections >> with terminatorX for example >> >> but when i "power" on terminatorX - the same thing happens with kluppe >> (haven't tried yet with other apps) - the audio file doesn't get read at >> all although it gets read when i use the app with a direct ALSA output >> >> i tried both stable and svn versions of jack and run that all on a >> 2.6.17.11-molnar's patched kernel >> >> do you have an idea about what happens here? >> >> thanks >> greetings >> From tdhoward at gmail.com Fri Aug 25 17:54:58 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Fri Aug 25 17:55:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] High sample rate cards Message-ID: st wrote: > BJaY wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm looking to do some high sample rate stuff - 500kHz or more > > Where did you get a microphone and preamp that would respond at > that frequency? You will be up into maritime radio communication > band, approaching AM radio band. I wonder if you will have problems > with interference. > Common misconception... Very high frequency audio does not equal electromagnetic radiation (radio, etc.). Audio is the compression and expansion of air, so it isn't really affected by EMI. Are you using another ultrasonic transducer to receive the signal? Is it necessary to capture the entire waveform, or just the envelope? If you need an accurate waveform, your best bet would likely be to build your own A/D circuit. Otherwise, rectify it, use an LP filter, and you're good to go. TimH From st at tobiah.org Fri Aug 25 18:02:59 2006 From: st at tobiah.org (st) Date: Fri Aug 25 18:03:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] High sample rate cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44EF7393.7000507@tobiah.org> > Common misconception... Very high frequency audio does not equal > electromagnetic radiation (radio, etc.). Audio is the compression and > expansion of air, so it isn't really affected by EMI. Ok, but the microphone converts the air vibrations into electric vibrations. People have picked up radio in their braces and fillings. It doesn't seem entirely unreasonable to guess that an electromagnetic radiation signal vibrating at the same rate as some of the electric signals in the cables and sampling device might cause audible interference in the result. From bruceslists at ntlworld.com Fri Aug 25 19:08:40 2006 From: bruceslists at ntlworld.com (BJaY) Date: Fri Aug 25 19:08:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] High sample rate cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: /st wrote: /> BJaY wrote: /> > Hi, /> > I'm looking to do some high sample rate stuff - 500kHz or more /> /> Where did you get a microphone and preamp that would respond at /> that frequency? You will be up into maritime radio communication //> band, approaching AM radio band. I wonder if you will have problems /> with interference. /> / /Common misconception... Very high frequency audio does not equal /electromagnetic radiation (radio, etc.). Audio is the compression and /expansion of air, so it isn't really affected by EMI. / /Are you using another ultrasonic transducer to receive the signal? Is /it necessary to capture the entire waveform, or just the envelope? If /you need an accurate waveform, your best bet would likely be to build /your own A/D circuit. Otherwise, rectify it, use an LP filter, and /you're good to go. /TimH I'll make sure everything is appropriately shielded. I'm more interested in generating sound than recording initially, but I'd like to pick it up, just to check the set up is working OK. I've seen devices that will repeat a waveform at a high frequency but I need a constantly changing signal so a D/A that runs at 500kHz or so, and can receive a continuous stream of samples is required. Shurely some of the high end audio guys have taken the 'higher sample rate sounds better' addage to the extreme ? Bruce. From eun.sung at no-log.org Fri Aug 25 17:37:35 2006 From: eun.sung at no-log.org (eun.sung) Date: Fri Aug 25 19:36:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd acts weird In-Reply-To: <200608252208.50276.martin.wohlleben@gmx.de> References: <44EF126B.5040004@no-log.org> <200608252208.50276.martin.wohlleben@gmx.de> Message-ID: <44EF6D9F.1080101@no-log.org> hi ok, i finally managed to sound out with real-time capabilities by downgrading to a 2.6.15 kernel with realtime-lsm package built out i use a hda-intel card and jackd (svn 0.102.20) runs perfectly in playback only but as i try to use a duplex mode it crashes did anyone met this problem too? thanks greetings Martin Wohlleben a ?crit : > Hello, > > I tried kluppe on current realtime-audio setups and it didn't work fine > anymore (one year ago on SuSE 9.1 it was running on the same > computer/souncard config at smallest available buffersizes without any > problems) > Now, the only possibility to get it working with jack is to increase the > buffer size to 1024 samples or more. > You should check if kluppe is still conncted to jack after starting (e.g. > with qjackctl - if it's still connected after start-up you should see > kluppe's channels). > I tried kluppe under Agnula-Demudi and Gentoo with rt-patched kernels and > rt-privileges, so it seems to be a problem of kluppe or some other new > libraries used by it. > Jackd seems to run ok, because other apps like ardour, sooperlooper, jamin or > Rosegarden are still running fine at small buffers (64-128 samples). > I didn't use terminatorX yet, so I can't say if it is the same for me. > > regards > Martin > > Am Freitag 25 August 2006 17:08 schrieb eun.sung: > >> hi list >> >> on a new system, i can't understand what happens with jack >> >> i can launch jackd - seems to work normally - create some connections >> with terminatorX for example >> >> but when i "power" on terminatorX - the same thing happens with kluppe >> (haven't tried yet with other apps) - the audio file doesn't get read at >> all although it gets read when i use the app with a direct ALSA output >> >> i tried both stable and svn versions of jack and run that all on a >> 2.6.17.11-molnar's patched kernel >> >> do you have an idea about what happens here? >> >> thanks >> greetings >> From _ at whats-your.name Fri Aug 25 19:38:45 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Fri Aug 25 19:38:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] High sample rate cards In-Reply-To: <44EF7393.7000507@tobiah.org> References: <44EF7393.7000507@tobiah.org> Message-ID: <20060825233845.GB20724@replic.net> On Fri Aug 25, 2006 at 03:02:59PM -0700, st wrote: > >Common misconception... Very high frequency audio does not equal > >electromagnetic radiation (radio, etc.). Audio is the compression and > >expansion of air, so it isn't really affected by EMI. > > Ok, but the microphone converts the air vibrations into electric > vibrations. People have picked up radio in their braces and fillings. > It doesn't seem entirely unreasonable to guess that an electromagnetic > radiation signal vibrating at the same rate as some of the electric > signals in the cables and sampling device might cause audible interference > in the result. yep. no different than the 60 hz hum picked up on audio cables, or harmonics of the 60 hz hum picked up in the AM radio band.. or the ingress filters put at the beginning of coaxial cable runs through houses..to prevent leakage from shortwave and local radio stations into the cable network.. im sure it can be solved by just doing your recording in a room whose walls are made of about 2 " of lead.. From lanas at securenet.net Fri Aug 25 21:43:39 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Fri Aug 25 21:43:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality Message-ID: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> Folks, I've decided to go with 'making sounds using the Linux box' vs. hardware synths. What I've heard so far is quite good. So, the box is making the sounds. Now, the hardware output of that box should be quite good, not ? It's useless to have 512-bit (!) sound quality if the actual output to the speakers is crappy (notwhitstanding the quality of said speakers). Thus, what are the recommended sound cards out there (since there are no other way, right ?) to output the nice high-res samples produced by the Linux box ? Cheers, Al From lanas at securenet.net Fri Aug 25 21:52:29 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Fri Aug 25 21:51:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] In Synch Message-ID: <20060825215229.42b86260@mistral.stie> Folks, 1) I've seen video demoes of the Freewheeling sequencer. I know there's a more trendy word than 'sequencer' when describing those softwares that let's you input loops thru MIDI or otherwise, but you see what I'm describing. On a single Linux box, is it possible to run two instances of such a 'sequencer' and have two people (using two-headed screen setup) making that kind of sequences in synch ? I mean, in a transparent manner that does not require code change. If not, is it possible to transparently synchronize two PCs running that kind of 'sequencer' so that real-time performance from two players (or more !) can be achieved ? 2) Independent of the outcome above, is it possible to actually record a live perfomance done on such a 'sequencer' as Freewheeling to an audio track ? Cheers, Al From dsbaikov at gmail.com Fri Aug 25 22:53:33 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Fri Aug 25 22:53:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <70a871c80608251953l4a83ef0fh38d84276bb1b819f@mail.gmail.com> On 8/26/06, lanas wrote: > Thus, what are the recommended sound cards out there (since there are > no other way, right ?) to output the nice high-res samples produced by > the Linux box ? > I think even any M-Audio card will have better quality than of a typical hw synth. If we are speaking about digital synths. Analog hardware is a different story, and I don't think you can replace it with any digital device be it Linux-box or what. Regards, Dmitry From lanas at securenet.net Fri Aug 25 23:12:27 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Fri Aug 25 23:12:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <70a871c80608251953l4a83ef0fh38d84276bb1b819f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <70a871c80608251953l4a83ef0fh38d84276bb1b819f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060825231227.40172eda@mistral.stie> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 06:53:33 +0400 "Dmitry Baikov" ?crivait: > I think even any M-Audio card will have better quality than of a > typical hw synth. > If we are speaking about digital synths. OK, so just to make it clear so that I can buy the right stuff, the M-Audio card can reproduce sounds, is that right ? I can have software samples that I can use through software that can be played through a M-Aduio card output jacks (I then believe left and right channels). So this would mean I don't need any Live! or Audigy or whatever car dot hear the music I'll play. I just have to buy a M-Audio card. Then, which M-Audio card would you recommend for Linux ? Cheers, Al From hardbop200 at gmail.com Fri Aug 25 23:20:21 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Fri Aug 25 23:20:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <20060825231227.40172eda@mistral.stie> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <70a871c80608251953l4a83ef0fh38d84276bb1b819f@mail.gmail.com> <20060825231227.40172eda@mistral.stie> Message-ID: On 8/25/06, lanas wrote: > So this would mean I don't need any Live! or Audigy or whatever car > dot hear the music I'll play. I just have to buy a M-Audio card. > Then, which M-Audio card would you recommend for Linux ? The M-Audio Delta 44, 66, or 1010 would work very nicely with Linux. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From tito at rumford.de Sat Aug 26 07:21:00 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Sat Aug 26 07:20:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] High sample rate cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200608261321.00930.tito@rumford.de> Saturday 26 August 2006 01:08, BJaY: > I'll make sure everything is appropriately shielded. I'm more interested in > generating sound than recording initially, but I'd like to pick it up, just > to check the set up is working OK. I've seen devices that will repeat a > waveform at a high frequency but I need a constantly changing signal so a > D/A that runs at 500kHz or so, and can receive a continuous stream of > samples is required. Shurely some of the high end audio guys have taken the > 'higher sample rate sounds better' addage to the extreme ? May I ask: Is this setup going to be an entertainment device or a weapon? -- Wolfgang From nescivi at gmail.com Sat Aug 26 07:23:57 2006 From: nescivi at gmail.com (nescivi) Date: Sat Aug 26 07:30:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] High sample rate cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <892967427.20060826132357@gmail.com> Hello BJaY, Friday, August 25, 2006, 9:27:57 PM, you wrote: B> I'm looking to do some high sample rate stuff - 500kHz or more - for B> modulated ultrasonics experiments. Anyone know of a card that will do this ? B> All I've seen is data aquisition cards that cost silly money, and the sound B> cards I've found seem to top out at 192kHz. Any pointers appreciated. Forget using sound cards for this. The main reason to do higher samplerates is to get a really flat filter response of the anti-aliasing filters in the audible range. So these filters would be your main problem if you want to go up in frequency. My guess is that you actually need a data-acquisition card for it. Then you'll need a proper amplifier and transducer for this... and then the question is how far these waves will actually go through air, as the higher the frequency the more the wave gets damped in the air (depending on humidity and temperature). From what angle are you doing this? What do you try to achieve? You may want to look at something called audio-spotlights. If I am not mistaken with that they do something with high frequency sound waves, where the audible sound is created by interference between two beams of those... sincerely, Marije From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sat Aug 26 07:41:49 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sat Aug 26 07:40:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] High sample rate cards In-Reply-To: <200608261321.00930.tito@rumford.de> References: <200608261321.00930.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <20060826114149.GA5932@linux-1.site> On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 01:21:00PM +0200, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > May I ask: Is this setup going to be an entertainment device or a weapon? There are many other things it could be. The two options you provide are not even mutually exclusive. To return to the OP's request, AFAIK no-one in the audio world has been so mad as to go beyond 192 kHz. So you will probably need a general purpose DA card. For 500 kHz it need not be very expensive, but still more than a cheapo audio card. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From bruceslists at ntlworld.com Sat Aug 26 09:46:06 2006 From: bruceslists at ntlworld.com (BJaY) Date: Sat Aug 26 09:45:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] High sample rate cards In-Reply-To: <892967427.20060826132357@gmail.com> Message-ID: /Friday, August 25, 2006, 9:27:57 PM, you wrote: /B> I'm looking to do some high sample rate stuff - 500kHz or more - for /B> modulated ultrasonics experiments. Anyone know of a card that will do this ? /B> All I've seen is data aquisition cards that cost silly money, and the sound /B> cards I've found seem to top out at 192kHz. Any pointers appreciated. /Forget using sound cards for this. The main reason to do higher /samplerates is to get a really flat filter response of the /anti-aliasing filters in the audible range. /So these filters would be your main problem if you want to go up in /frequency. /My guess is that you actually need a data-acquisition card for it. /Then you'll need a proper amplifier and transducer for this... /and then the question is how far these waves will actually go through /air, as the higher the frequency the more the wave gets damped in the /air (depending on humidity and temperature). /From what angle are you doing this? What do you try to achieve? /You may want to look at something called audio-spotlights. If I am not /mistaken with that they do something with high frequency sound waves, /where the audible sound is created by interference between two beams /of those... It's a psychoacoustics exercise - trying to generate a new musical experience by combining 'normal' audio with ultrasonics - in a live setting. All the D/A cards I've looked at seem to go well into the MHz range (though I'm confused by the units they use 10MS/s=10Mhz ?), and cost hundereds of pounds. I'm looking for somthing in the middle. Any info on amps/sounders also apreciated, and of course I'd like to use it with linux audio software so an ALSA driver for the device would be nice. Bruce. From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Sat Aug 26 15:46:16 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Sat Aug 26 16:01:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <200608241817.01580.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060824194545.30912.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <1156449004.10343.1.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> <1156449235.27216.96.camel@mindpipe> <200608241817.01580.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <20060826194616.GB16953@jdboyd> On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 06:17:00PM -0400, Rob wrote: > So if they are calling themselves open source (note: I don't > think they are) then they would be violating the trademark of > Eric Raymond and his buddies. On the other hand, I have no idea > whether the OSI has gone after violators of its trademark the > way the FSF has gone after GPL violations on software to which > it holds the copyright. Trademarks can be diluted, as you just > did ever-so-slightly with your assertion above. They aren't going after people misusing the term Open Source. I heard that directly from one of their people when I tried to report a blatant misuse. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From florin at andrei.myip.org Sat Aug 26 23:15:02 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sat Aug 26 23:15:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] High sample rate cards In-Reply-To: <20060826114149.GA5932@linux-1.site> References: <200608261321.00930.tito@rumford.de> <20060826114149.GA5932@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <1156648502.2663.0.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Sat, 2006-08-26 at 13:41 +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 01:21:00PM +0200, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > > May I ask: Is this setup going to be an entertainment device or a weapon? > > There are many other things it could be. > The two options you provide are not even mutually exclusive. ROTFL -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From florin at andrei.myip.org Sat Aug 26 23:35:20 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sat Aug 26 23:35:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <70a871c80608251953l4a83ef0fh38d84276bb1b819f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <70a871c80608251953l4a83ef0fh38d84276bb1b819f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1156649720.2663.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Sat, 2006-08-26 at 06:53 +0400, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > On 8/26/06, lanas wrote: > > Thus, what are the recommended sound cards out there (since there are > > no other way, right ?) to output the nice high-res samples produced by > > the Linux box ? > > > I think even any M-Audio card will have better quality than of a > typical hw synth. > If we are speaking about digital synths. I don't think that's accurate. The highest quality hardware is on the high-end workstations which are, at the core, digital synths. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From dsbaikov at gmail.com Sun Aug 27 00:44:44 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Sun Aug 27 00:44:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <1156649720.2663.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <70a871c80608251953l4a83ef0fh38d84276bb1b819f@mail.gmail.com> <1156649720.2663.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <70a871c80608262144u467159bcp10f389bcd3454c49@mail.gmail.com> On 8/27/06, Florin Andrei wrote: > I don't think that's accurate. The highest quality hardware is on the > high-end workstations which are, at the core, digital synths. Possibly you are right. I always forget about this class of hardware. I meant samplers, FMs and virtual analogs. And even in this case I may easily be wrong :) Regards, Dmitry. From smoak at mis.net Sun Aug 27 01:06:55 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Sun Aug 27 00:58:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <200608250104.20724.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060824194545.30912.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <44EE865D.8010807@gmail.com> <200608250104.20724.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <200608270106.55130.smoak@mis.net> On Friday 25 August 2006 01:04, Rob wrote: > On Fri August 25 2006 01:10, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > > And that is my point, the fact something like this CAN be > > trademarked, or would need to be is completely a sign > > something is wrong, and people have gotten to ridiculously > > uptight about things. > > Yeah, the whole patent/trademark/copyright/"intellectual > property" thing has gotten way out of hand. The strategies > being adopted by various free software and open source related > entities are a response to that, dating back to the formation of > the FSF 20 years ago. They may be ridiculous, but assuming > these tactics are effective, they're absolutely necessary. > > Even if some of the participants are still hobbyists, software is > totally a business now. > > Rob Speaking of Eric Raymond: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2761311745.html I think this stuff is well worth thinking about. And appropriate for Linux Audio USERS list. Is it possible for Linux, Windoze, and Apple folks to "just get along" and make pretty tunes? I know that if there existed Linux distribution(s) that handled all formats, my wife would switch, and a half dozen musicians and production pro's I know would give it a try. Me, I dream of a Linux install that works out of the box. And I don't mind paying the fees, if reasonable, for a stable system. But I should really stay out of the whole thing; all I really want to do is play alto sax. I'm getting tired of being the group sys op and sound man. Marv From drucer99 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 27 05:47:55 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Sun Aug 27 05:48:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jokosher - new audio app Message-ID: <20060827094755.98548.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Looks like we have yet another promising Linux audio app. "Jokosher is a simple yet powerful multi-track studio. With it you can create and record music, podcasts and more, all from an integrated simple environment." Released under GNU GPL. http://www.jokosher.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokosher __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tito at rumford.de Sun Aug 27 09:42:15 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Sun Aug 27 09:41:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] High sample rate cards In-Reply-To: <20060826114149.GA5932@linux-1.site> References: <200608261321.00930.tito@rumford.de> <20060826114149.GA5932@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <200608271542.16017.tito@rumford.de> Saturday 26 August 2006 13:41, Fons Adriaensen: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 01:21:00PM +0200, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > May I ask: Is this setup going to be an entertainment device or a weapon? > > There are many other things it could be. > The two options you provide are not even mutually exclusive. You have Michael Jackson in mind? I'm almost too scared to ask but then again too curious as well: An example for an entertaining weapon, please? -- Wolfgang From a at gaydenko.com Sun Aug 27 11:17:13 2006 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Sun Aug 27 11:17:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] QLoud v.0.14 Message-ID: <200608271917.14298@goldspace.net> QLoud is a tool to measure loudspeaker frequency response. Find it here: http://gaydenko.com/qloud/ Changes: - a crash (hitting "Plot" with empty IR list) is fixed, - pickers values are rounded now, - multiple minor fixes and cleanup, - now "Window, msec" is a time from IR peak to cutted reverberations, which is more intuitive, I think (earlier it was equal to applied window width itself). Direct screenshot links: - main window with few SPL plots: http://gaydenko.com/qloud/screenshots/shot01.png - IR-power plot: http://gaydenko.com/qloud/screenshots/shot02.png Andrew From juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org Sun Aug 27 13:27:00 2006 From: juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org (juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org) Date: Sun Aug 27 13:24:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Triggering Hydrogen patterns with keys Message-ID: <1156699620.44f1d5e4a0e80@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Greetings, list. So far while playing with Hydrogen I've found out that: 1) I can set JACK transport off and program Hydrogen from a sequencer (trigger drum hits in the piano roll), but it's unclear to me if Hydrogen is then performing in realtime mode (from JACK's point of view) or not. Is it? This feature is nice, but I like Hydrogen's pattern editor much more than any sequencer's piano/drum roll. 2) I can leave JACK transport on, in which case Hydrogen will play its song score completely synced with the sequencer score. (If I start the sequencer from 1:01, Hydrogen will start from 1:01, and so on.) This is cool, but I don't want to compose two different scores to create one song. My question is: Can I simply create patterns in Hydrogen and map those to keys, so that I could trigger patterns in the sequencer's piano roll? I'd love the ability to start and stop any pattern at any point just by pressing and releasing a key, and having it all in perfect JACK sync of course. Please tell me this is possible! And if it's not, well, I guess the developers can take this as a hint... :) Best wishes, Juuso Alasuutari ---------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Aug 27 13:41:36 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Aug 27 13:41:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <3e1f2d940608231023t25c05fedy8a660fcfbabbb9f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44EBFC5E.1050001@boosthardware.com> <3e1f2d940608231023t25c05fedy8a660fcfbabbb9f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200608271841.36355.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 23 August 2006 18:23, Chris Reisor was like: > And these winey sensitive artist types need to realize that all art, > form of expression, or even communication in general (hello! the > freaking language that you speak, for that matter) is built on what > has come before. That's a truism. I expect you would also argue that there is no difference between art and craft either. The effort involved in creating something new out of raw materials and raw imagination is not the same as building something out of pre-fabricated parts. Both are creatively worthy pursuits, but the latter case usually involves some kind of transaction with the maker of the pre-fabricated parts that you are using in addition to the transaction that is necessary with the supplier of raw materials and the maker of tools. Free licensing, of course replaces the need for these transactions. > If one doesn't think ones's work can stand on its own, in spite of > constant reworkings, remixings, and reshapings, then one obviously > doesn't have much confidence in one's ability to express oneself. Most artists suffer from insecurity, as a result there is a high rate of self-destructive behaviour amongst this group. Would you put this down to self-indulgence or being whiny and sensitive? I'm not sure I care, this isn't about artistic aesthetic sentiments it's about respect for the original artists and the licenses they choose to put their work out under and ultimately the fact that writing and recording music involves work and dedication which is (hopefully) valued. It's a very materialistic legal argument. If you choose to break these human conventions for a very strong moral or artistic reason, then you may get away with it, but you had better be sure that you really are a genius. Personally I find it easier to respect people's licenses. I don't understand why this is such a problem, usually a polite mail is enough to secure appropriate permissions. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Aug 27 13:47:20 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Aug 27 13:47:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <200608231000.00663.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200608230723.03960.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200608231000.00663.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <200608271847.20788.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 23 August 2006 15:00, Rob was like: > On Wed August 23 2006 02:23, tim hall wrote: > > Because I'd be hurt and confused - if you don't respect an > > artists integrity why would you WANT to use their work? > > Wow, where do I begin? ?I might want to belittle them, like > Negativland did with U2. ?I might like what their producer did > without having any respect for the writer, or the writer might > not be the copyright holder in the first place. ?I might think > "That's an okay song, but it could be an AWESOME song if it just > had _______." ?I might like the music but be offended by the > lyrics, e.g. if the lyricist were a neo-nazi or Creed-esque > crypto-christian. ?I might know nothing at all about the artist, > so that their "integrity" is an unknown variable altogether. > > A day doesn't go by without me hearing something on the radio or > somewhere else where I think, wow, I could do so much with that. ? > If I were more into dance music, I'd be constantly like a kid in > a candy store. ?It's a lack of time that prevents me from doing > anything about it, rather than any misplaced automatic respect > for my fellow man due merely to his ability to breathe air or > get a record out. Which proves my point completely. Heh. !:p -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From gregwilder at gregwilder.com Sun Aug 27 13:52:00 2006 From: gregwilder at gregwilder.com (Greg Wilder) Date: Sun Aug 27 13:52:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] so.... u wish to hear something completely horrible In-Reply-To: <200608271841.36355.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060812155651.74747.qmail@web39709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3e1f2d940608231023t25c05fedy8a660fcfbabbb9f5@mail.gmail.com> <200608271841.36355.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <200608271352.01044.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> How To Play By the Rules: http://www.newmusicbox.org/article.nmbx?id=4774 From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Aug 27 13:53:55 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Aug 27 13:54:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <20060824185609.GA15900@replic.net> References: <20060824184426.35693.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> <20060824185609.GA15900@replic.net> Message-ID: <200608271853.55662.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:56, carmen was like: > > Check this out! > > http://www.lionstracs.com/download/video/piano.wmv > > Requested video codec family [wmv9dmo] (vfm=dmo) not available. > Requested video codec family [wmvdmo] (vfm=dmo) not available. > > soo.. have they heard about theora? maybe theyll like it as much as ardour The developers of the software have, this part of the website was unfortunately created by a different team. It may well be worth emailing lionstracs and politely pointing out that using microsoft formats makes them look a bit silly. The development team will probably thank you for this. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Aug 27 14:07:18 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Aug 27 14:08:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just look at what you have done! In-Reply-To: <1156450010.2174.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060824184426.35693.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> <5bdc1c8b0608241231s7827fcbax17e6629cc65dc53b@mail.gmail.com> <1156450010.2174.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200608271907.19355.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 24 August 2006 21:06, Paul Davis was like: > On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 12:31 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > The product that killed LinuxSampler's life as an Open Source program? > > not true. the "product" responsible was not this one. Thanks for being the only person who actually answered the question. Phew! -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Aug 27 14:16:11 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Aug 27 14:16:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] High sample rate cards In-Reply-To: <200608271542.16017.tito@rumford.de> References: <20060826114149.GA5932@linux-1.site> <200608271542.16017.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <200608271916.11955.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Sunday 27 August 2006 14:42, Wolfgang Woehl was like: > Saturday 26 August 2006 13:41, Fons Adriaensen: > > On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 01:21:00PM +0200, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > > May I ask: Is this setup going to be an entertainment device or a > > > weapon? > > > > There are many other things it could be. > > The two options you provide are not even mutually exclusive. > > You have Michael Jackson in mind? I'm almost too scared to ask but then > again too curious as well: An example for an entertaining weapon, please? Hawkwind. ;] -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Aug 27 14:32:16 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Aug 27 14:32:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Beginner singing, music theory (guitar) and ear training, solfege? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200608271932.16805.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 24 August 2006 03:36, Loki Davison was like: > I'm keen on learning to sing in my now extensive spare time. Anyone > now of any good books or sites aimed at beginner singers? AFA singing goes. I would actually recommend doing over reading. Get a singing teacher, find one who does Jazz/Blues/Folk style singing rather than classical. Find some people to sing with - joining a local singing group or choir if one exists is by far the fastest way to gain confidence. Learning some basic breathing exercises can be useful, by all means play with solfege, why not? Relax everything, the only effort you put in should be from the diaphragm. Find out your range - are you a bass, tenor or somewhere in between? Sing stuff that is actually in your range, this is important. Sing at every available opportunity and you will be a singer. Who told you you couldn't sing anyway? -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sun Aug 27 17:13:19 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sun Aug 27 17:12:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] High sample rate cards In-Reply-To: <200608271542.16017.tito@rumford.de> References: <200608261321.00930.tito@rumford.de> <20060826114149.GA5932@linux-1.site> <200608271542.16017.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <20060827211319.GA5957@linux-1.site> On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 03:42:15PM +0200, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > Saturday 26 August 2006 13:41, Fons Adriaensen: > > On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 01:21:00PM +0200, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > > May I ask: Is this setup going to be an entertainment device or a weapon? > > > > There are many other things it could be. > > The two options you provide are not even mutually exclusive. > > You have Michael Jackson in mind? I'm almost too scared to ask but then again > too curious as well: An example for an entertaining weapon, please? Any weapon used for non-professional hunting for example. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From florin at andrei.myip.org Sun Aug 27 20:55:57 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sun Aug 27 20:56:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <70a871c80608262144u467159bcp10f389bcd3454c49@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <70a871c80608251953l4a83ef0fh38d84276bb1b819f@mail.gmail.com> <1156649720.2663.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> <70a871c80608262144u467159bcp10f389bcd3454c49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1156726557.2904.25.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Sun, 2006-08-27 at 08:44 +0400, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > On 8/27/06, Florin Andrei wrote: > > I don't think that's accurate. The highest quality hardware is on the > > high-end workstations which are, at the core, digital synths. > > Possibly you are right. I always forget about this class of hardware. > I meant samplers, FMs and virtual analogs. > And even in this case I may easily be wrong :) Well, it depends more on the actual device, than on the class it belongs to. E.g., check out the Virus TI: http://www.access-music.de/products.php4 It's a virtual analog, but it's connected to the computer via USB 2.0 and, when you install the software companion, the Virus essentially becomes a sound card for your computer (you can use the analog inputs and outputs just like you would use a Delta 66). I didn't test it myself, but the reviews are very good. I own an Alesis Ion, another virtual analog... http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=9 ...and the quality of the analog input/output stages is excellent. Same can be said about Nord Lead, Poly Evolver and all the other big names in the virtual analog arena. Derek Sherinian and his signature rig of 4 or 5 big red Nords went on tour with Billy Idol, Malmsteen, etc. and it's not likely that musicians at this level would use low-quality gear. Samplers? My Alesis QS6.2 is the same: very low noise on the analog outputs, very low distorsion. Essentially, anything that's new technology from the big companies is pretty good. The only exceptions, maybe, are the cheap Casio keyboards and similar things. Ironically, it's the old true analogs, vintage Moogs and stuff like that which may exhibit high noise thresholds and "quirky" output stages. Again, it's the new technology that shines - Alesis Andromeda, one of the most recent true analogs, has excellent ins/outs. http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=10 -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Aug 27 22:01:16 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Aug 27 22:01:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Beginner singing, music theory (guitar) and ear training, solfege? In-Reply-To: <200608271932.16805.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <200608271932.16805.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: On 8/28/06, tim hall wrote: > On Thursday 24 August 2006 03:36, Loki Davison was like: > > I'm keen on learning to sing in my now extensive spare time. Anyone > > now of any good books or sites aimed at beginner singers? > > AFA singing goes. I would actually recommend doing over reading. Get a > singing > teacher, find one who does Jazz/Blues/Folk style singing rather than > classical. Find some people to sing with - joining a local singing group or > choir if one exists is by far the fastest way to gain confidence. > > Learning some basic breathing exercises can be useful, by all means play > with > solfege, why not? Relax everything, the only effort you put in should be > from > the diaphragm. Find out your range - are you a bass, tenor or somewhere in > between? Sing stuff that is actually in your range, this is important. > > Sing at every available opportunity and you will be a singer. Who told you > you > couldn't sing anyway? > -- > cheers, > > tim hall No one has told me I can't sing and i do it at all possible opportunities. I sing while walking, cooking, working and of course playing guitar. Singing leasons sound like a bit of a commitment though... and quite scary ;) I wouldn't mind to try and work on scales/etc by myself for a bit first... Just got solfege working so i guess i'll give it a go. I might have to add something to one of the linux audio wiki's or a music wiki in general about how to acquire basic musical skills. ;) Any of the AU lad's know where to get music books like the ones Michal suggested? Easiest to get them from the amazon or can i get it locally? Loki From yonatan_avraham at hotmail.com Mon Aug 28 02:37:12 2006 From: yonatan_avraham at hotmail.com (yonatan) Date: Mon Aug 28 02:37:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] MIDI connections in MusE? Message-ID: <6015235.post@talk.nabble.com> Could someone help me understand how MIDI connections work in MusE (the documentation on the MusE wiki is not complete . . .)? I am basically trying to connect different tracks to different synthesizers running under fst (FreeST). - I can successfully start qjackctl, one fst, MusE, add a MIDI track, and connect the track it to the synthesizer by routing the track through the MIDI "through port 0" from within MusE and routing the "MIDI through port 0" to the software synthesizer from within qjackctl's MIDI connections (I find the "through port 0" in MusE's MIDI setup) - However, even when I start more than one syntheisizer (e.g. multiple instances of fst), I am still left with only the 1 MIDI port (the "through port 0") in MusE's MIDI connections. So no matter how many tracks I add, they each must use the same "through port 0", and I can't find a way to distinguish between them in qjackctl and route each track to a different synthesizer. Any help would be appreciated to correct my error . . . Thanks, Yonatan -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/MIDI-connections-in-MusE--tf2175547.html#a6015235 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From noven at sincorp.org Mon Aug 28 04:26:49 2006 From: noven at sincorp.org (Novensiles divi Flamen) Date: Mon Aug 28 04:27:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Terratec SixPack 5.1 Message-ID: <200608281526.49688.noven@sincorp.org> I'm wondering if anyone has experience with the Terratec SixPack 5.1 card under linux. I'm in the process of assessing an organisation shift to linux, and one of the few concerns is the audio production suite. Does this card work well under linux? I've found conflicting reports online, as some users claim the record funtion doesn't work. Obviously this is a critical feature. I'll be doing a test using Agnula sometime next week, but a heads up on any experiences / issues would be appreciated. - Noven -- >-- Novensiles divi Flamen --< >---- Miles Militis Fons ----< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060828/ff559b37/attachment-0001.bin From nescivi at gmail.com Mon Aug 28 04:52:48 2006 From: nescivi at gmail.com (nescivi) Date: Mon Aug 28 05:57:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] MIDI connections in MusE? In-Reply-To: <6015235.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <6015235.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1617062154.20060828105248@gmail.com> Hello yonatan, Monday, August 28, 2006, 8:37:12 AM, you wrote: y> - However, even when I start more than one syntheisizer (e.g. multiple y> instances of fst), I am still left with only the 1 MIDI port (the "through y> port 0") in MusE's MIDI connections. So no matter how many tracks I add, y> they each must use the same "through port 0", and I can't find a way to y> distinguish between them in qjackctl and route each track to a different y> synthesizer. y> Any help would be appreciated to correct my error . . . I guess you should let your synths listen to different MIDI-channels; you should be able to set these in Muse and in your software synths. sincerely, Marije From dsbaikov at gmail.com Mon Aug 28 06:36:52 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Mon Aug 28 06:36:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <1156726557.2904.25.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <70a871c80608251953l4a83ef0fh38d84276bb1b819f@mail.gmail.com> <1156649720.2663.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> <70a871c80608262144u467159bcp10f389bcd3454c49@mail.gmail.com> <1156726557.2904.25.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <70a871c80608280336n76f6141dx758e528963131039@mail.gmail.com> > On Sun, 2006-08-27 at 08:44 +0400, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > Well, it depends more on the actual device, than on the class it belongs > to. E.g., check out the Virus TI: > > http://www.access-music.de/products.php4 > > It's a virtual analog, but it's connected to the computer via USB 2.0 > and, when you install the software companion, the Virus essentially > becomes a sound card for your computer (you can use the analog inputs > and outputs just like you would use a Delta 66). I didn't test it > myself, but the reviews are very good. > > I own an Alesis Ion, another virtual analog... > > http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=9 > > ...and the quality of the analog input/output stages is excellent. > Same can be said about Nord Lead, Poly Evolver and all the other big > names in the virtual analog arena. > Derek Sherinian and his signature rig of 4 or 5 big red Nords went on > tour with Billy Idol, Malmsteen, etc. and it's not likely that musicians > at this level would use low-quality gear. > > Samplers? My Alesis QS6.2 is the same: very low noise on the analog > outputs, very low distorsion. > > Essentially, anything that's new technology from the big companies is > pretty good. The only exceptions, maybe, are the cheap Casio keyboards > and similar things. > > Ironically, it's the old true analogs, vintage Moogs and stuff like that > which may exhibit high noise thresholds and "quirky" output stages. > Again, it's the new technology that shines - Alesis Andromeda, one of > the most recent true analogs, has excellent ins/outs. > > http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=10 I'm eating my first letter! Funny thing is that I own 2 Alesis synths - Micron and Andromeda. I already noticed that Echo Indigo IO sounds better than Delta, but some how forgot about it again. I have good near-field monitors, but seems my Delta66 chews all my sound quality and asks for upgrade. Regards, Dmitry. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Aug 28 09:01:54 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Aug 28 09:03:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Triggering Hydrogen patterns with keys In-Reply-To: <1156699620.44f1d5e4a0e80@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> References: <1156699620.44f1d5e4a0e80@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Message-ID: <1156770114.24914.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-08-27 at 20:27 +0300, juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org wrote: > Greetings, list. So far while playing with Hydrogen I've found out that: > > 1) I can set JACK transport off and program Hydrogen from a sequencer (trigger > drum hits in the piano roll), but it's unclear to me if Hydrogen is then > performing in realtime mode (from JACK's point of view) or not. Is it? > This feature is nice, but I like Hydrogen's pattern editor much more than any > sequencer's piano/drum roll. all JACK clients run in realtime mode if JACK is using realtime mode. JACK transport has absolutely zero to do with this. > 2) I can leave JACK transport on, in which case Hydrogen will play its song > score completely synced with the sequencer score. (If I start the sequencer > from 1:01, Hydrogen will start from 1:01, and so on.) > This is cool, but I don't want to compose two different scores to create one > song. welcome to the primary reason why win/mac folks love big monolithic apps with powerful if flawed plugin APIs. > My question is: Can I simply create patterns in Hydrogen and map those to keys, > so that I could trigger patterns in the sequencer's piano roll? I'd love the > ability to start and stop any pattern at any point just by pressing and > releasing a key, and having it all in perfect JACK sync of course. JACK sync means two different things. i suspect you mean transport sync, and in truth that you mean more than this - tempo sync. JACK does not currently provide any way for its clients to share a tempo (bar/beat or meter/tempo) map. From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Aug 28 09:13:22 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Aug 28 09:13:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Triggering Hydrogen patterns with keys In-Reply-To: <1156699620.44f1d5e4a0e80@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> References: <1156699620.44f1d5e4a0e80@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Message-ID: On 8/28/06, juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org wrote: > Greetings, list. So far while playing with Hydrogen I've found out that: > > 1) I can set JACK transport off and program Hydrogen from a sequencer > (trigger > drum hits in the piano roll), but it's unclear to me if Hydrogen is then > performing in realtime mode (from JACK's point of view) or not. Is it? > This feature is nice, but I like Hydrogen's pattern editor much more than > any > sequencer's piano/drum roll. > > 2) I can leave JACK transport on, in which case Hydrogen will play its song > score completely synced with the sequencer score. (If I start the sequencer > from 1:01, Hydrogen will start from 1:01, and so on.) > This is cool, but I don't want to compose two different scores to create > one > song. > > My question is: Can I simply create patterns in Hydrogen and map those to > keys, > so that I could trigger patterns in the sequencer's piano roll? I'd love the > ability to start and stop any pattern at any point just by pressing and > releasing a key, and having it all in perfect JACK sync of course. > > Please tell me this is possible! And if it's not, well, I guess the > developers > can take this as a hint... :) > > Best wishes, > Juuso Alasuutari > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ > > Have you tried seq24? It's a sequencer that is very very nice for pattern based stuff. Though if you prefer the in built hydrogen pattern editor it doesn't help. Seq24 is very nice for this kind of stuff though. http://www.filter24.org/seq24/index.html new versions seem to be coming out at a rapid pace recently, big cheers to rob buse! Loki From dubphil at free.fr Mon Aug 28 09:16:25 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Mon Aug 28 09:16:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Triggering Hydrogen patterns with keys In-Reply-To: <1156770114.24914.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1156699620.44f1d5e4a0e80@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> <1156770114.24914.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1055.80.124.137.204.1156770985.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> > JACK does not currently provide any way for its clients to share a tempo > (bar/beat or meter/tempo) map. "Currently" means that it is in the TODO list or it is a feature that you judge not important to add to JACK ? Best regards Philippe From lars.luthman at gmail.com Mon Aug 28 09:39:31 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Mon Aug 28 09:39:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Triggering Hydrogen patterns with keys In-Reply-To: <1156770114.24914.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1156699620.44f1d5e4a0e80@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> <1156770114.24914.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1156772372.10463.2.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 09:01 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Sun, 2006-08-27 at 20:27 +0300, juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org wrote: > > My question is: Can I simply create patterns in Hydrogen and map those to keys, > > so that I could trigger patterns in the sequencer's piano roll? I'd love the > > ability to start and stop any pattern at any point just by pressing and > > releasing a key, and having it all in perfect JACK sync of course. > > JACK sync means two different things. i suspect you mean transport sync, > and in truth that you mean more than this - tempo sync. JACK does not > currently provide any way for its clients to share a tempo (bar/beat or > meter/tempo) map. This does not mean that two JACK programs can't sync their tempo though. JACK transport provides a way for one client to tell all other clients what the current bar, beat, tick, frame, and BPM is, which should be enough to sync two sequencers like Seq24 and Hydrogen. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <6015235.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <6015235.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1156773335.26390.269572731@webmail.messagingengine.com> yonatan wrote: > - I can successfully start qjackctl, one fst, MusE, add a MIDI track, and > connect the track it to the synthesizer by routing the track through the > MIDI "through port 0" from within MusE and routing the "MIDI through port > 0" > to the software synthesizer from within qjackctl's MIDI connections (I > find > the "through port 0" in MusE's MIDI setup) > > - However, even when I start more than one syntheisizer (e.g. multiple > instances of fst), I am still left with only the 1 MIDI port (the > "through > port 0") in MusE's MIDI connections. So no matter how many tracks I add, > they each must use the same "through port 0", and I can't find a way to > distinguish between them in qjackctl and route each track to a different > synthesizer. You could connect the track directly to the synthesizer, but this requires that the synth is already running. To get more than one "through" port, use the "ports" parameter of the snd-seq-dummy module, i.e., add a line like options snd-seq-dummy ports=5 to your /etc/modprobe.conf, or use whatever configuration tool is provided by your distribution. HTH Clemens From andrew.lyon at gmail.com Mon Aug 28 14:51:14 2006 From: andrew.lyon at gmail.com (Andrew Lyon) Date: Mon Aug 28 14:51:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] spdif output clicking noises Message-ID: Cross posted as this is a request for advice rather than a bug/issue report. When playing media using mplayer or xine, and outputting using ac3/dts passthru spdif, if I pause and resume playback, or seek, there are brief, horrible clicking noises when playback resumes, I assume this is because the stream is interrupted and resumes wherever it left off, so it outputs some garbage data that causes the noises. Is there any way to prevent this? Perhaps it is possible to make alsa dump the first 1/2 or even 1/4 second of audio that is played? That would avoid the noises and I could live with a slight delay when playback starts. Thanks Andy From florin at andrei.myip.org Mon Aug 28 15:18:00 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Mon Aug 28 15:18:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <70a871c80608280336n76f6141dx758e528963131039@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <70a871c80608251953l4a83ef0fh38d84276bb1b819f@mail.gmail.com> <1156649720.2663.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> <70a871c80608262144u467159bcp10f389bcd3454c49@mail.gmail.com> <1156726557.2904.25.camel@rivendell.home.local> <70a871c80608280336n76f6141dx758e528963131039@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1156792680.24032.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 14:36 +0400, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > Funny thing is that I own 2 Alesis synths - Micron and Andromeda. Andromeda - that's awesome! I'm sure you're never bored with that synth. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From downerczx at yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 16:58:38 2006 From: downerczx at yahoo.com (DCZX) Date: Mon Aug 28 16:58:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Rock Star blog... Message-ID: <20060828205839.7865.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, I was just wondering if anyone had anything they would like to read about at Linux Rock Star, or any applications they would like announced... after a brief delay, I'm posting again at: http://linuxrockstar.blogspot.com thank you! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dsbaikov at gmail.com Mon Aug 28 17:14:02 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Mon Aug 28 17:14:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <1156792680.24032.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <70a871c80608251953l4a83ef0fh38d84276bb1b819f@mail.gmail.com> <1156649720.2663.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> <70a871c80608262144u467159bcp10f389bcd3454c49@mail.gmail.com> <1156726557.2904.25.camel@rivendell.home.local> <70a871c80608280336n76f6141dx758e528963131039@mail.gmail.com> <1156792680.24032.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80608281414k6f9ee350q1e94360236b9c26a@mail.gmail.com> On 8/28/06, Florin Andrei wrote: > On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 14:36 +0400, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > > > Funny thing is that I own 2 Alesis synths - Micron and Andromeda. > > Andromeda - that's awesome! I'm sure you're never bored with that synth. Yes, it is worth every penny (I bought it used, though, new units become insanely expensive when they get to Russia) And returning to our original topic, I just installed RME Multiface II, which I was dreaming to buy for more than a year. It's sound quality is SO higher than of M-Audio Delta66, I could not imagine! All I can say about my first reply - I was talking BS. (just get too used to my good old delta:) ) Ah, the only problem is lack of Time, as usual. Best regards, Dmitry. From yonatan_avraham at hotmail.com Tue Aug 29 01:16:28 2006 From: yonatan_avraham at hotmail.com (yonatan) Date: Tue Aug 29 01:16:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] MIDI connections in MusE? In-Reply-To: <1617062154.20060828105248@gmail.com> References: <6015235.post@talk.nabble.com> <1617062154.20060828105248@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6033036.post@talk.nabble.com> Hi Marije, Marije Baalman wrote: > > > I guess you should let your synths listen to different MIDI-channels; > you should be able to set these in Muse and in your software synths. > > sincerely, > Marije > I tried your suggestion, and it works, provided that the plugin provides the capability to set the MIDI channel. It seems like some do, but others don't (presumably they rely on the host software to make the appropriate connections). Thanks, Yonatan -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/MIDI-connections-in-MusE--tf2175547.html#a6033036 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From yonatan_avraham at hotmail.com Tue Aug 29 01:32:31 2006 From: yonatan_avraham at hotmail.com (yonatan) Date: Tue Aug 29 01:32:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] MIDI connections in MusE? In-Reply-To: <1156773335.26390.269572731@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <6015235.post@talk.nabble.com> <1156773335.26390.269572731@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <6033142.post@talk.nabble.com> Hi Clemens, Regarding your suggestion: Clemens Ladisch-2 wrote: > > > You could connect the track directly to the synthesizer, but this > requires that the synth is already running. > > This is exactly what I wanted to do, but I didn't think that MusE was seeing my plugins in its MIDI setup. However, your suggestion made me have another look, and I found them. It turns out that if I load my plugins with fst, they appear in MusE with names like Input, Input_1, Input_2, etc. I was also thrown off at first because if I select them within MusE, I get a message "Rec: operation not permitted" (instead of the usual "OK"). However, they are useable (meaning I can assign them to tracks and use them). BTW, I noticed that if I load the plugins with jack-dssi-host using dssi-vst.so (instead of using fst), the connections then appear in MusE according to the name of the plugin (not Input_1, etc.), and also I don't get the message ("Rec: operation not permitted). Thanks, Yonatan -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/MIDI-connections-in-MusE--tf2175547.html#a6033142 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From hitmuri at no-log.org Tue Aug 29 03:56:47 2006 From: hitmuri at no-log.org (Hitmuri) Date: Tue Aug 29 03:53:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Music, website and video Message-ID: <44F3F33F.8080700@no-log.org> Hi everyone, I just opened my website http://www.hitmuri.com , there you'll find links to new songs made with Linux, a video Presentation on how i use FreeWheeling, Specimen and Jack-Rack. I also give you a direct link to the songs : http://www.musique-libre.org/static.php?op=musiqueIndex.php&npds=-1&group=Hitmuri Thanks for all the help I got from this list and all the linux audio community. Flo From segoh at gmx.net Tue Aug 29 04:25:32 2006 From: segoh at gmx.net (Sebastian Gutsfeld) Date: Tue Aug 29 04:27:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Music, website and video In-Reply-To: <44F3F33F.8080700@no-log.org> (hitmuri@no-log.org's message of "Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:56:47 +0200") References: <44F3F33F.8080700@no-log.org> Message-ID: <20060829082725.D1E852B20621@music.columbia.edu> Hitmuri writes: > Hi everyone, I just opened my website http://www.hitmuri.com , there > you'll find links to new songs made with Linux, a video Presentation > on how i use FreeWheeling, Specimen and Jack-Rack. Wow, your presentation video rocks! I wish more of us show videos how they use all this software. It's always fun to see the setup of someone else. regards, Sebastian From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue Aug 29 04:35:01 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Aug 29 04:37:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Rock Star blog... In-Reply-To: <20060828205839.7865.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060828205839.7865.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060829083501.GC3400@spma33> DCZX escribe: > I was just wondering if anyone had anything they would > like to read about at Linux Rock Star, or any > applications they would like announced... after a > brief delay, I'm posting again at: > > http://linuxrockstar.blogspot.com I am following you via RSS, keep the good job! :) Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange! From hitmuri at no-log.org Tue Aug 29 04:51:50 2006 From: hitmuri at no-log.org (Hitmuri) Date: Tue Aug 29 04:48:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Music, website and video In-Reply-To: <20060829082725.D1E852B20621@music.columbia.edu> References: <44F3F33F.8080700@no-log.org> <20060829082725.D1E852B20621@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <44F40026.7060905@no-log.org> Sebastian Gutsfeld a ?crit : > > I wish more of us show videos how they use all this software. It's always fun to see the setup of someone > else. > > regards, > Sebastian > > I totally agree with you !! This is also great to show other people all the different ways of making music with linux. Flo From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Aug 29 04:51:47 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Aug 29 04:48:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Music, website and video In-Reply-To: <44F3F33F.8080700@no-log.org> References: <44F3F33F.8080700@no-log.org> Message-ID: <20060829095147.1bbbc00c@localhost> On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:56:47 +0200 Hitmuri wrote: > Hi everyone, I just opened my website http://www.hitmuri.com , there > you'll find links to new songs made with Linux, a video Presentation on > how i use FreeWheeling, Specimen and Jack-Rack. > > > I also give you a direct link to the songs : > http://www.musique-libre.org/static.php?op=musiqueIndex.php&npds=-1&group=Hitmuri > > > Thanks for all the help I got from this list and all the linux audio > community. > > Flo Good work, although not really my scene these days. It sounds reminiscent of the old Tangerine Dream work in the early 1970s. It would go down well on some of the fringe stages at the Glastonbury Festival :) -- Will J G From ljc at internet.com.uy Tue Aug 29 08:59:20 2006 From: ljc at internet.com.uy (luis jure) Date: Tue Aug 29 09:22:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] pd and gem on gentoo Message-ID: <20060829095920.538c068f@acme.acmenet> hello list, anyone using pd and gem on a gentoo system? i had no problems installing the latest version of pd (i adapted an older ebuild), but gem is being more problematic. i have installed all the dependencies mentioned in the documentation, but ./configure fails due to something related to openGL: Finished building Auxilliary Libraries ====================================== checking for main in -lX11... yes checking for main in -lXext... yes checking for XF86VidModeGetAllModeLines in -lXxf86vm... yes checking for sin in -lm... no checking for main in -lz... no checking for glInitNames in -lGL... no checking for glInitNames in -lMesaGL... no OpenGL is mandatory i have an HP laptop (amd64, nvidia video card). i'm still using the plain nv open drivers. google shows, as usual, lots of (contradicting and possibly outdated) solutions to this, so i decided to invoke the wisdom of the list. best, lj From ish at sarai.net Tue Aug 29 09:42:37 2006 From: ish at sarai.net (ish@sarai.net) Date: Tue Aug 29 09:48:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Live recording : Post production/ removing noise In-Reply-To: References: <4e4a3da41942fd66fdab6e80539e77b8@sarai.net> Message-ID: <770f788786a4f871b44017abbee3ef2d@sarai.net> Thanks a ton Spencer ---your Advice is pricelss.. and probably you should write a few your experiences of recording these concerts in the form of small tutorials. they will be very helpful for the people trying out recording etc ... looking forward and thanks again best Ish (sarai.net/ frEeMuZik.net) On 5:41:12 pm 08/25/06 "Spencer Russell" wrote: > When I was a student at Oberlin I worked for the audio department of > the Conservatory, so I recorded somewhere around 100-150 classical > recitals a year, almost all with a stereo pair. > > I used a whole lot of small diaphragm condensers in an ORTF setup > (cardioid mics with 110 degrees between and the capsules 17cm apart). > I'm a big fan of the Neumann KM184 mics. I also used the Sennheiser > MKH140 mics sometimes, and shoeps CMC cardioids. > > I didn't worry too much about the music getting mixed down to mono, > which is why I didn't use an XY configuration very much. Generally I > prefer near-coincident (the mic capsules a little apart, as in ORTF) > to coincident(The capsules right on top of one another, as in an XY > setup) because it captures delay as well as amplitude information and > gives a stereo field that I like better. > > I less commonly used a spaced pair of omni mics, which in my > understanding capture the stereo field mostly with delay info. > (Sources on the left hit the microphone on the left a little before > they hit the right mic) I like a spaced pair for a large ensemble, and > for a really big group sometimes I'd use 3 mics evenly spaced, or even > an ORTF flanked by omnis. We had a couple pairs of Neumann M150 mics > which are absolutely wonderful. You do need to pay attention to where > you point them though, because they get more directional at high > frequencies. I also used Sennheiser MKH20 mics for less critical > applications. > > With all of these stereo pair techniques, I pan the left mic hard left > and the right mic hard right, or more commonly, I'm just recording > each mic directly to the left and right channels of a DAT with a CD > backup. Also, it's important to be flexible, probably 85% of the time > I basically just set up a pair of mics in the center of the room about > 10-15 feet in front of the performer (for an individual or small > ensemble. Back it up a bit for larger groups) with one of the > techniques described above. It wasn't unheard of though, to vary > wildly from the standard 2-mics-in-the-middle approach, so if you have > time for a sound check, it's nice to be able to move the mics around > and let your ears decide. Depending on your clientelle that can be a > rare luxury, though, so get used to figuring out why a room sounds the > way it does so you know where to put your mics. > > As far as fixing noisy recordings, there's only so much turd-polishing > you can do, but I've had some success with the Gnome Wave Cleaner. > You've got to be pretty careful though, because if you use it too > aggressively it makes things sound really nasty. Watch out for a kind > of metallic comb-filtery kind of effect. > > hope this helps, > spencer > > On 8/25/06, ish@sarai.net wrote: > > hi All ... > > i had recorded a classical guitar concert using a DAT player and > > a couple of Dynamic mics (Shure 606). To get stereo recording... > > now the concert hall where i did this recording was an old one > > with very noisy/creeky chairs. I really wanted to remove all this > > from the recording along with all the coughs and the faint A/c > > hum. Can anyone please recommend a procedure i can use to remove > > these unwanted noise without damaging the recording.. and what is > > the right procedure to record classical or Acoustic recitals ie > > what mics should one use with that and at what settings etc > > ..thanks > > > > Best > > > > ISh > > (frEeMuZik.net/ sarai.net) From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Aug 29 10:24:31 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Aug 29 10:05:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Live recording : Post production/ removing noise In-Reply-To: <770f788786a4f871b44017abbee3ef2d@sarai.net> References: <4e4a3da41942fd66fdab6e80539e77b8@sarai.net> <770f788786a4f871b44017abbee3ef2d@sarai.net> Message-ID: <44F44E1F.6020606@woh.rr.com> ish@sarai.net wrote: >Thanks a ton Spencer ---your Advice is pricelss.. and probably you should >write a few your experiences of recording these concerts in the form of >small tutorials. they will be very helpful for the people trying out >recording etc ... looking forward and thanks again > > ++seconded the suggestion re: tutorials. dp From jri at broadpark.no Tue Aug 29 12:10:33 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Tue Aug 29 12:10:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Music, website and video In-Reply-To: <44F3F33F.8080700@no-log.org> References: <44F3F33F.8080700@no-log.org> Message-ID: <44F466F9.2000709@broadpark.no> Hitmuri wrote: > Hi everyone, I just opened my website http://www.hitmuri.com , there > you'll find links to new songs made with Linux, a video Presentation on > how i use FreeWheeling, Specimen and Jack-Rack. That's some cool video! You're doing this live too? Guess this could be pretty cool as a show. Nice! -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From mista.tapas at gmx.net Tue Aug 29 12:36:21 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Tue Aug 29 12:36:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <70a871c80608281414k6f9ee350q1e94360236b9c26a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <1156792680.24032.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <70a871c80608281414k6f9ee350q1e94360236b9c26a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200608291836.21935.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Monday 28 August 2006 23:14, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > On 8/28/06, Florin Andrei wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 14:36 +0400, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > > > Funny thing is that I own 2 Alesis synths - Micron and Andromeda. > > > > Andromeda - that's awesome! I'm sure you're never bored with that synth. > > Yes, it is worth every penny (I bought it used, though, new units > become insanely expensive when they get to Russia) > > And returning to our original topic, I just installed RME Multiface > II, which I was dreaming to buy for more than a year. > It's sound quality is SO higher than of M-Audio Delta66, I could not > imagine! How do you compare the two? Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From tdhoward at gmail.com Tue Aug 29 12:37:55 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Tue Aug 29 12:38:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Very short composition Message-ID: Hello all, Here is my first ever piece of Pure Linux Audio to be released to the general public. But before you get too excited, I should say that this just started out as a test to see what I could do, and I ended up kind of liking it. :-) Here are the links: http://www.banjoboy.ms11.net/music/test2b.ogg http://www.banjoboy.ms11.net/music/test2b.mp3 Please give me some feedback! I would love to learn ways to produce better music with these programs. This is an instrumental piece with no name. The drums are by Hydrogen (actually, I just used the GM_kit_demo2.h2song included in the package... I'm such a cheater! ;-P) Additional "percussion", bass, and the choir sound were courtesy of ZynAddSubFX, and the electric guitars were processed with some custom patches in Om. And of course, the whole thing was recorded and mixed in Ardour and mastered with Jamin. Many thanks to all the developers involved with these programs! They are top notch. You are our heroes. Seriously. -TimH From sonium at gmail.com Tue Aug 29 12:42:40 2006 From: sonium at gmail.com (Alexander Hupfer) Date: Tue Aug 29 12:43:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Music, website and video In-Reply-To: <44F3F33F.8080700@no-log.org> References: <44F3F33F.8080700@no-log.org> Message-ID: <1156869760.32127.0.camel@localhost> Am Dienstag, den 29.08.2006, 09:56 +0200 schrieb Hitmuri: > Hi everyone, I just opened my website http://www.hitmuri.com , there > you'll find links to new songs made with Linux, a video Presentation on > how i use FreeWheeling, Specimen and Jack-Rack. > > > I also give you a direct link to the songs : > http://www.musique-libre.org/static.php?op=musiqueIndex.php&npds=-1&group=Hitmuri > > > Thanks for all the help I got from this list and all the linux audio > community. > > Flo > Very nice done. I really would like to see more video stuff. From pw_lists at slinkp.com Tue Aug 29 12:48:21 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Aug 29 12:48:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Music, website and video In-Reply-To: <1156869760.32127.0.camel@localhost> References: <44F3F33F.8080700@no-log.org> <1156869760.32127.0.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20060829164821.GC7605@slinkp.com> On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 06:42:40PM +0200, Alexander Hupfer wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 29.08.2006, 09:56 +0200 schrieb Hitmuri: > > Hi everyone, I just opened my website http://www.hitmuri.com , there > > you'll find links to new songs made with Linux, a video Presentation on > > how i use FreeWheeling, Specimen and Jack-Rack. > > > > > > I also give you a direct link to the songs : > > http://www.musique-libre.org/static.php?op=musiqueIndex.php&npds=-1&group=Hitmuri > > > > > > Thanks for all the help I got from this list and all the linux audio > > community. > > > > Flo > > > > Very nice done. > I really would like to see more video stuff. +1. That looks really fun :) /me goes to install freewheeling... -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From dsbaikov at gmail.com Tue Aug 29 15:46:32 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Tue Aug 29 15:46:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <200608291836.21935.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <1156792680.24032.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <70a871c80608281414k6f9ee350q1e94360236b9c26a@mail.gmail.com> <200608291836.21935.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <70a871c80608291246y398be96by99bf48f9ce13bdd8@mail.gmail.com> On 8/29/06, Florian Schmidt wrote: > How do you compare the two? Not predening on scientific comparison, I just listened to the same CD records I have, on the same speakers. As for delta quality, I was first really upset when I was trying to record a sound from my synth. Setup was the following: synth -> headphones - sound was found synth -> delta66 -> headphones - muddy, without that specific detail that "made the sound" synth -> delta66 -> speakers - no that detail also I had Echo Indigo IO nearby and tried the following: synth -> indigo -> headphones - gotcha! the same sound i heard directly from the synth. I didn't thought the differences would be that obvious. Everything described is my personal experience and does not predend to be anything more. Regards, Dmitry. P.S. anyway, talent and hard work mean much more than hardware. From pw_lists at slinkp.com Tue Aug 29 16:18:47 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Aug 29 16:19:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <70a871c80608291246y398be96by99bf48f9ce13bdd8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <1156792680.24032.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <70a871c80608281414k6f9ee350q1e94360236b9c26a@mail.gmail.com> <200608291836.21935.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <70a871c80608291246y398be96by99bf48f9ce13bdd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060829201847.GB8311@slinkp.com> On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 11:46:32PM +0400, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > On 8/29/06, Florian Schmidt wrote: > >How do you compare the two? > > Not predening on scientific comparison, I just listened to the same CD > records I have, on the same speakers. > > As for delta quality, I was first really upset when I was trying to > record a sound from my synth. > Setup was the following: > synth -> headphones - sound was found > synth -> delta66 -> headphones - muddy, without that specific detail > that "made the sound" > synth -> delta66 -> speakers - no that detail also Interesting. What was between the delta and the headphones / speakers? -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From dsbaikov at gmail.com Tue Aug 29 16:23:53 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Tue Aug 29 16:24:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <20060829201847.GB8311@slinkp.com> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <1156792680.24032.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <70a871c80608281414k6f9ee350q1e94360236b9c26a@mail.gmail.com> <200608291836.21935.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <70a871c80608291246y398be96by99bf48f9ce13bdd8@mail.gmail.com> <20060829201847.GB8311@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80608291323p7cd680a7qc362ad1e9798891d@mail.gmail.com> On 8/30/06, Paul Winkler wrote: > Interesting. What was between the delta and the headphones / speakers? Nothing, jack pass-through. Or you mean analog side? Nothing again, headphones inserted directly into delta, and speakers are active. From pw_lists at slinkp.com Tue Aug 29 16:30:15 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Aug 29 16:30:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <70a871c80608291323p7cd680a7qc362ad1e9798891d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <1156792680.24032.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <70a871c80608281414k6f9ee350q1e94360236b9c26a@mail.gmail.com> <200608291836.21935.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <70a871c80608291246y398be96by99bf48f9ce13bdd8@mail.gmail.com> <20060829201847.GB8311@slinkp.com> <70a871c80608291323p7cd680a7qc362ad1e9798891d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060829203015.GC8311@slinkp.com> On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 12:23:53AM +0400, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > On 8/30/06, Paul Winkler wrote: > >Interesting. What was between the delta and the headphones / speakers? > > Nothing, jack pass-through. > Or you mean analog side? yep. > Nothing again, headphones inserted directly > into delta, How? Mine does does not have a headphones jack. I'm surprised you got any sound at all. > and speakers are active. Odd. Active speakers should be fine. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From dsbaikov at gmail.com Tue Aug 29 16:45:27 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Tue Aug 29 16:45:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <20060829203015.GC8311@slinkp.com> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <1156792680.24032.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <70a871c80608281414k6f9ee350q1e94360236b9c26a@mail.gmail.com> <200608291836.21935.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <70a871c80608291246y398be96by99bf48f9ce13bdd8@mail.gmail.com> <20060829201847.GB8311@slinkp.com> <70a871c80608291323p7cd680a7qc362ad1e9798891d@mail.gmail.com> <20060829203015.GC8311@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80608291345ube38392v92b6fd72f5138364@mail.gmail.com> On 8/30/06, Paul Winkler wrote: > How? Mine does does not have a headphones jack. > I'm surprised you got any sound at all. Little soldering and I have 2-mono-jacks -> 1-stereo-jack-plug cable. From dsbaikov at gmail.com Tue Aug 29 17:11:43 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Tue Aug 29 17:11:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface II report Message-ID: <70a871c80608291411h79c84fccg4ab99d2ac2412f0e@mail.gmail.com> Hi! Want to share my yet short technical experience with new Multiface II and Linux. 1) alsa-firmware-1.0.11 works perfectly, with both .11 and .12 drivers 2) alsa-firmware-1.0.12 does not work (trying to resolve it on alsa-dev) 3) 64x2@44.1k works perfectly on stock 2.6.17-gentoo-r6 with patched pam (gentoo is slow adopting here). Didn't tried heavy load, though. 4) 64x2 @ 96k does not work at all. jackd gets killed by watchdog. seems it can't start playing. 128x2 @ 96k works perfectly. 5) if multiface box was power-cycled, firmware can't be loaded again, hdsploader gives: Upload firmware for card hw:0 Hwdep ioctl error on card hw:0 : Device or resource busy. I have cardbus version, so the solution is to reinsert the card. I suppose with pci you'll need a reboot. 6) More of a question: why alsamixer does not support hdsp? hdspmixer functionality do not look too complex for alsamixer. Hope this will help someone. Best regards, Dmitry. From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Aug 29 17:35:32 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Aug 29 17:32:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <70a871c80608291345ube38392v92b6fd72f5138364@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <1156792680.24032.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <70a871c80608281414k6f9ee350q1e94360236b9c26a@mail.gmail.com> <200608291836.21935.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <70a871c80608291246y398be96by99bf48f9ce13bdd8@mail.gmail.com> <20060829201847.GB8311@slinkp.com> <70a871c80608291323p7cd680a7qc362ad1e9798891d@mail.gmail.com> <20060829203015.GC8311@slinkp.com> <70a871c80608291345ube38392v92b6fd72f5138364@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060829223532.70319f5f@localhost> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:45:27 +0400 "Dmitry Baikov" wrote: > On 8/30/06, Paul Winkler wrote: > > How? Mine does does not have a headphones jack. > > I'm surprised you got any sound at all. > > Little soldering and I have 2-mono-jacks -> 1-stereo-jack-plug cable. Well that's the problem then! Most line outputs simply aren't intended to drive the low impedance of headphones. If you have something that can, then you are lucky, but you certainly shouldn't expect it. -- Will J G ... who made his own tiny headphone amp for exactly this sort of problem :) From dsbaikov at gmail.com Tue Aug 29 17:43:27 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Tue Aug 29 17:43:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <20060829223532.70319f5f@localhost> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <1156792680.24032.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <70a871c80608281414k6f9ee350q1e94360236b9c26a@mail.gmail.com> <200608291836.21935.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <70a871c80608291246y398be96by99bf48f9ce13bdd8@mail.gmail.com> <20060829201847.GB8311@slinkp.com> <70a871c80608291323p7cd680a7qc362ad1e9798891d@mail.gmail.com> <20060829203015.GC8311@slinkp.com> <70a871c80608291345ube38392v92b6fd72f5138364@mail.gmail.com> <20060829223532.70319f5f@localhost> Message-ID: <70a871c80608291443y1bfe0b3p619932eb6be334b7@mail.gmail.com> On 8/30/06, Folderol wrote: > Well that's the problem then! Most line outputs simply aren't intended > to drive the low impedance of headphones. > > If you have something that can, then you are lucky, but you certainly > shouldn't expect it. Agreed :) From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Tue Aug 29 18:26:25 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Tue Aug 29 18:41:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] spdif output clicking noises In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060829222625.GC26201@jdboyd> On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 07:51:14PM +0100, Andrew Lyon wrote: > When playing media using mplayer or xine, and outputting using > ac3/dts passthru spdif, if I pause and resume playback, or seek, there > are brief, horrible clicking noises when playback resumes, I assume > this is because the stream is interrupted and resumes wherever it left > off, so it outputs some garbage data that causes the noises. > > Is there any way to prevent this? Perhaps it is possible to make alsa > dump the first 1/2 or even 1/4 second of audio that is played? That > would avoid the noises and I could live with a slight delay when > playback starts. It is in part a problem with your AC3/DTS decoder. I have a creative labs decoder (surround sound speaker set of some sort of built in AC3/DTS decoder), and it has terrible clicking/cracking/popping sounds. OTOH, the Dolby Digital decoder (Dolby DP564, a 2U reference decoder), generally does not have such trouble. You may be right about it being caused by garbage in the signal upon restart. At least, such garbage would cause such trouble. If so, just dumping the first 1/4 second or whatever won't automatically fix it, since that could be throwing away the garbage, then likely the start of the next AC3 or DTS packet as well. A better solution would be to intelligently not transmit incomplete AC3 packets, which means it isn't quite a true pass through anymore. I suggest you take this to the mplayer or xine mailing lists. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Aug 29 20:04:28 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Aug 29 20:02:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Music, website and video In-Reply-To: <44F3F33F.8080700@no-log.org> References: <44F3F33F.8080700@no-log.org> Message-ID: <20060830000428.GD9620@fitz.Belkin> On Tue, 29 Aug, 2006 at 09:56AM +0200, Hitmuri spake thus: > Hi everyone, I just opened my website http://www.hitmuri.com , there > you'll find links to new songs made with Linux, a video Presentation on > how i use FreeWheeling, Specimen and Jack-Rack. > > > I also give you a direct link to the songs : > http://www.musique-libre.org/static.php?op=musiqueIndex.php&npds=-1&group=Hitmuri > > > Thanks for all the help I got from this list and all the linux audio > community. That's ace! I really liked the video demonstration. I'd love to see more like that. James > Flo > > From jhenneocad at hotmail.com Tue Aug 29 21:08:20 2006 From: jhenneocad at hotmail.com (Josh Henne) Date: Tue Aug 29 21:08:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Preferred Alsa Linux setup Message-ID: Hello all; I am installing Gentoo on my dell Inspiron 9300. I am slightly confused as to how Alsa should be set up. When I try to run alsamixer I get the message: no mixer elms found. In the Kernel config I have set sound card support to "yes" and left all the Alsa options blank. I have emerged the alsa-driver and alsa-utils packages. The Internal soundcard is an Intel AC97 controller or module Intel8x0. I have added alsa to load on boot and added the alsa and Intel8x0 modules to load on boot. And the SAVE_ON_STOP variable is set to "yes". Eventually I would like to add my Mackie Onyx 1640 using freebob (but after I solve the alsa issue first ^_^ ). Thanks From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Aug 29 21:46:21 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Aug 29 21:46:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Preferred Alsa Linux setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1156902381.21250.5.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 21:08 -0400, Josh Henne wrote: > Hello all; > > I am installing Gentoo on my dell Inspiron 9300. I am slightly confused as > to how Alsa should be set up. When I try to run alsamixer I get the message: What is the output of "cat /proc/asound/devices"? Lee From jhenneocad at hotmail.com Tue Aug 29 21:54:03 2006 From: jhenneocad at hotmail.com (Josh Henne) Date: Tue Aug 29 21:54:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Preferred Alsa Linux setup In-Reply-To: <1156902381.21250.5.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: Here is the output when I type "cat /proc/asound/devices" 0: [ 0] : control 1: : sequencer 16: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback 20: [ 0- 4]: digital audio playback 24: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture 25: [ 0- 1]: digital audio capture 26: [ 0- 2]: digital audio capture 27: [ 0- 3]: digital audio capture 33: : timer From lau at therockgarden.ca Wed Aug 30 00:05:12 2006 From: lau at therockgarden.ca (Sylvain Robitaille) Date: Wed Aug 30 00:04:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour: trying to add a "bus" causes a crash? Message-ID: Hello folks ... I've just started working once again on a mix project, after a long break over the summer, and am encountering a problem I don't recall seeing before. When I try to add a bus to the session ("Session -> Add Track/Bus"), it causes Ardour to crash (many thanks to the Ardour developers for adding intelligent crash recovery! I haven't lost any real work thanks to that.) I can add a "track" without any problem, but what I'm after here is a "bus". I _think_ I'm doing this right. The project presently has 16 tracks, and the master bus, and I want to add a bus to use to connect post-fader sends from selected tracks, as an effects bus (with the effect inserted as a pre-fader plugin on the bus). I already have a (not connected) post-fader send on one of my tracks, ready to connect to the bus I'm trying to create. The system is Slackware-10.2 (with a customized kernel, and upgrades as released by Slackware), on an AMD Athlon64 (running in 32-bit mode) with 2GB RAM (no swap used as yet, so I'm not expecting lack of memory to be a problem). I've been running Ardour-0.99.2, but when I encountered this problem I upgraded to Ardour-0.99.3 to see if the upgrade would resolve the problem (it didn't). Jack is jack-0.100.0 (hrmmm... I see new versions of that are available, but it doesn't seem to me as though Jack would be the culprit here; I'll upgrade if it's believed I should, though ...) Anyone have any ideas? Feel free to point me to documentation I should have found (I've already checked the Ardour online manual and "how do I..." forum, but it is of course possible that I missed something that should have jumped out at me), or to tell me there's a better way to get what I'm after (the equivalent of a post-fader "aux" send and return on a hardware mixer). It occurs to me that I can add a stereo track, insert (pre-fader) the plugin I want, connect its output to the master track, and set it to record-enable (all tracks for the project are already recorded, so that won't interfere), and connect the other track sends I want to it. It feels like a work-around, but it might at least permit me to continue ... (comments on this would be appreciated ...) Thanks in advance for any help ... -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl@alcor.concordia.ca Major in Electroacoustic Studies Concordia University Faculty of Fine Arts / Music Department Montreal, Quebec, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From florin at andrei.myip.org Wed Aug 30 00:53:49 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Wed Aug 30 00:54:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface II report In-Reply-To: <70a871c80608291411h79c84fccg4ab99d2ac2412f0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <70a871c80608291411h79c84fccg4ab99d2ac2412f0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1156913629.2900.4.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 01:11 +0400, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > Hi! > Want to share my yet short technical experience with new Multiface II and Linux. > > 1) alsa-firmware-1.0.11 works perfectly, with both .11 and .12 drivers > > 2) alsa-firmware-1.0.12 does not work (trying to resolve it on alsa-dev) I thought RME has a newsgroup on a news server somewhere, did you took this issue to their attention on the newsgroup? I'm sure they want to know any issues that may show up. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From shakti at bayarea.net Wed Aug 30 02:07:22 2006 From: shakti at bayarea.net (Tracey Hytry) Date: Wed Aug 30 02:08:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <70a871c80608291443y1bfe0b3p619932eb6be334b7@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <1156792680.24032.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <70a871c80608281414k6f9ee350q1e94360236b9c26a@mail.gmail.com> <200608291836.21935.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <70a871c80608291246y398be96by99bf48f9ce13bdd8@mail.gmail.com> <20060829201847.GB8311@slinkp.com> <70a871c80608291323p7cd680a7qc362ad1e9798891d@mail.gmail.com> <20060829203015.GC8311@slinkp.com> <70a871c80608291345ube38392v92b6fd72f5138364@mail.gmail.com> <20060829223532.70319f5f@localhost> <70a871c80608291443y1bfe0b3p619932eb6be334b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060829230722.694257fb.shakti@bayarea.net> > > Well that's the problem then! Most line outputs simply aren't intended > > to drive the low impedance of headphones. > > > > If you have something that can, then you are lucky, but you certainly > > shouldn't expect it. > > Agreed :) ----- > Little soldering and I have 2-mono-jacks -> 1-stereo-jack-plug cable. Try adding series resistors in your jig above. Start with 1K ohm on each of the channels. Mess around adding different resistor values between the card and your headphones until it sounds better. A higher value of series resistor will make the phones sound better, but you will have to boost the volume then. Optimum is earsplitting without clipping(you know the grind). Tracey. From andrew.lyon at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 03:36:00 2006 From: andrew.lyon at gmail.com (Andrew Lyon) Date: Wed Aug 30 03:36:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] spdif output clicking noises In-Reply-To: <20060829222625.GC26201@jdboyd> References: <20060829222625.GC26201@jdboyd> Message-ID: On 8/29/06, Joshua Boyd wrote: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 07:51:14PM +0100, Andrew Lyon wrote: > > > When playing media using mplayer or xine, and outputting using > > ac3/dts passthru spdif, if I pause and resume playback, or seek, there > > are brief, horrible clicking noises when playback resumes, I assume > > this is because the stream is interrupted and resumes wherever it left > > off, so it outputs some garbage data that causes the noises. > > > > Is there any way to prevent this? Perhaps it is possible to make alsa > > dump the first 1/2 or even 1/4 second of audio that is played? That > > would avoid the noises and I could live with a slight delay when > > playback starts. > > It is in part a problem with your AC3/DTS decoder. I have a creative > labs decoder (surround sound speaker set of some sort of built in > AC3/DTS decoder), and it has terrible clicking/cracking/popping sounds. > OTOH, the Dolby Digital decoder (Dolby DP564, a 2U reference decoder), > generally does not have such trouble. My decoder is a yamaha dsp home cinema amp, it has generally been fine with a range of sources, including spdif 5.1 sound from my windows 2003 server using onboard nforce audio, certainly ive not had the "noise" problem I describe. > You may be right about it being caused by garbage in the signal upon > restart. At least, such garbage would cause such trouble. If so, just > dumping the first 1/4 second or whatever won't automatically fix it, > since that could be throwing away the garbage, then likely the start of > the next AC3 or DTS packet as well. A better solution would be to > intelligently not transmit incomplete AC3 packets, which means it isn't > quite a true pass through anymore. I see, and intelligently not transmiting incomplete packets could lead to delays and would make the passthru much more complicated, it does seem like a possible solution though. > I suggest you take this to the mplayer or xine mailing lists. I will do so, thanks your response. Andy From dsbaikov at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 10:22:55 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Wed Aug 30 10:23:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface II report In-Reply-To: <1156913629.2900.4.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <70a871c80608291411h79c84fccg4ab99d2ac2412f0e@mail.gmail.com> <1156913629.2900.4.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <70a871c80608300722y11dcc98ep72bf6c8542d22911@mail.gmail.com> On 8/30/06, Florin Andrei wrote: > I thought RME has a newsgroup on a news server somewhere, did you took > this issue to their attention on the newsgroup? I'm sure they want to > know any issues that may show up. Thanks for advice :) But: ------------- http://www.rme-audio.com/english/linux/index.htm For RME's digital audio cards of the DIGI series and the Hammerfall series, different drivers are available for Linux and other operating systems. Please note that there is no direct support from RME, neither written nor by telephone, as these drivers are not written by RME. ------------- I was not asking for support here, that's what alsa-dev is for. I just described my experience with the card, as AFAIK there were no reports about Multiface II on LAU. Regards, Dmitry. From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Aug 30 10:54:22 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Aug 30 10:50:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some Random Thoughts Message-ID: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> I'm wondering how other people on here get their ideas and develop them. To kick off with my own experiences, sometimes an idea comes at exactly the right time so clearly that I can work on it immediately and get it substantially complete in one day. More usually it develops slowly and may take weeks or even months before I am happy with it. Do any of you run several projects at the same time? Dropping them for a while if you go stale on them. Do you look back on them and fiddle with them sometimes when they are already 'complete'? Sometimes it's a chord pattern that sets me off, other times it's a melody line. There seems to be no clear priority. Does anyone else find that an idea gets so bogged down you end up scrapping it completely? Although my website is quite a recent innovation for me I've been recording my work in one form or another for about 15-20 years now, and seem to find that I only *really* like about 10% of what I've produced. What about the rest of you? I'm sometimes surprised by the opinions of friends, both positively and negatively. Some really go a bundle on pieces I produced early on that almost makes me cringe. Sometimes I get a negative comment on something I think is really good. I've found it impossible to actually predict the response of friends and family. The unkindest cut came from my brother a long time ago, when he described my work as "OK I suppose, but it's not as if it's real music." -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Aug 30 11:03:34 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Aug 30 10:59:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <20060829230722.694257fb.shakti@bayarea.net> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <1156792680.24032.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <70a871c80608281414k6f9ee350q1e94360236b9c26a@mail.gmail.com> <200608291836.21935.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <70a871c80608291246y398be96by99bf48f9ce13bdd8@mail.gmail.com> <20060829201847.GB8311@slinkp.com> <70a871c80608291323p7cd680a7qc362ad1e9798891d@mail.gmail.com> <20060829203015.GC8311@slinkp.com> <70a871c80608291345ube38392v92b6fd72f5138364@mail.gmail.com> <20060829223532.70319f5f@localhost> <70a871c80608291443y1bfe0b3p619932eb6be334b7@mail.gmail.com> <20060829230722.694257fb.shakti@bayarea.net> Message-ID: <20060830160334.248d9dc1@localhost> On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:07:22 -0700 Tracey Hytry wrote: > > > > Well that's the problem then! Most line outputs simply aren't intended > > > to drive the low impedance of headphones. > > > > > > If you have something that can, then you are lucky, but you certainly > > > shouldn't expect it. > > > > Agreed :) > ----- > > Little soldering and I have 2-mono-jacks -> 1-stereo-jack-plug cable. > > Try adding series resistors in your jig above. Start with 1K ohm on each of the channels. > Mess around adding different resistor values between the card and your headphones until it sounds better. > A higher value of series resistor will make the phones sound better, but you will have to boost the volume then. Optimum is earsplitting without clipping(you know the grind). > > Tracey. > I REALLY think this is bad advice. It is so easy (and cheap) to get a little headphone amplifier and do the job properly. There are some that have 'through' sockets so they can act as buffer/drivers as well. -- Will J G From t_w_ at freenet.de Wed Aug 30 11:17:47 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Wed Aug 30 11:18:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some Random Thoughts In-Reply-To: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> Message-ID: <20060830151747.GA5429@charly.SWORD> On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 03:54:22PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > To kick off with my own experiences, sometimes an idea comes at exactly > the right time so clearly that I can work on it immediately and get it > substantially complete in one day. More usually it develops slowly and > may take weeks or even months before I am happy with it. With my workstation keyboards, I sometimes rushed trough a project in a few days. Doesn't happen anymore, with more choices comes complexity. > Do any of you run several projects at the same time? Dropping them for > a while if you go stale on them. Do you look back on them and fiddle > with them sometimes when they are already 'complete'? Oh yes. Too many. Puts me under tension to have more than one thing I feel I should complete ASAP. I'm way better with starting projects than finishing them. Towards the end, the options in a project shrink and the stress level rises. Way too often did I take the easy way out and started something new instead of finishing. ... 28, 29 unfinished audio projects, many several years old :) > Although my website is quite a recent innovation for me I've been > recording my work in one form or another for about 15-20 years now, and > seem to find that I only *really* like about 10% of what I've produced. > What about the rest of you? Maybe a bit more than 10% :) > The unkindest cut came from my brother a long time ago, when he > described my work as "OK I suppose, but it's not as if it's real music." Early on, I once overheared my brother saying something along the lines of "it's just boom boom boom and he appears to even like it" to my parents. But back then, it was spot on ;) -- Thorsten Wilms From drucer99 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 11:57:06 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Wed Aug 30 11:57:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some Random Thoughts In-Reply-To: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> Message-ID: <20060830155707.12456.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> --- Folderol wrote: > I'm wondering how other people on here get their > ideas and develop them. I don't ever "overdevelop" them. I have learned songs only get worse if I try to do that. Sometimes songs just come from somewhere and I'm just a tool to make them audible. This is really how it is. And it can happen in a very short time. I can't force myself to make any music - music just comes when it's the right time. I do not know where the songs are coming from, but I really believe I'm just a tool in between. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From arnold.krille at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 12:28:19 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Wed Aug 30 12:28:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: High sample rate cards In-Reply-To: References: <892967427.20060826132357@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80608300928q7d02c507m7a018236266ed7ee@mail.gmail.com> 2006/8/26, BJaY : > It's a psychoacoustics exercise - trying to generate a new musical > experience by combining 'normal' audio with ultrasonics - in a live setting. > All the D/A cards I've looked at seem to go well into the MHz range (though > I'm confused by the units they use 10MS/s=10Mhz ?), and cost hundereds of > pounds. The big S stands for samples, so 10MS/s in the scientific world means 10MHz sampling rate in the audio world. But this high-rate AD/DA-units aren't necessarily operating with data streams. The 4GS/s digitizers here at work only produce chunks of data and there is quite some time needed to fetch this data over PCI into the PC. So it isn't really usable for audio or audio-like experiments... Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From lau at kudla.org Wed Aug 30 13:15:32 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Aug 30 13:17:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some Random Thoughts In-Reply-To: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> Message-ID: <200608301315.34282.lau@kudla.org> On Wed August 30 2006 10:54, Folderol wrote: > To kick off with my own experiences, sometimes an idea comes > at exactly the right time so clearly that I can work on it > immediately and get it substantially complete in one day. More > usually it develops slowly and may take weeks or even months > before I am happy with it. My ideas almost always come to me while driving. The other times it's things like waking up from a dream, mis-hearing a melody line on TV and liking what I thought I heard better, or just daydreaming about a sound (arrangement, production, etc.) that I'd like to create. > Sometimes it's a chord pattern that sets me off, other times > it's a melody line. There seems to be no clear priority. Does > anyone else find that an idea gets so bogged down you end up > scrapping it completely? Yeah, but usually I'll pick up a bit of it years later in some other project. > Although my website is quite a recent innovation for me I've > been recording my work in one form or another for about 15-20 > years now, and seem to find that I only *really* like about > 10% of what I've produced. What about the rest of you? About the same for me, I guess. Of the clips I've put up publicly, I really like about 20% of them, but I have a lot of other clips I haven't put up and none of them is a favorite. > I'm sometimes surprised by the opinions of friends, both > positively and negatively. Some really go a bundle on pieces I > produced early on that almost makes me cringe. Sometimes I get > a negative comment on something I think is really good. I've > found it impossible to actually predict the response of > friends and family. Yeah, I guess the context they would need to have is inside my head. My family just marvels at how it sounds so much like a "real record" when I'm aghast at how something sounds, and two friends of mine I used to bounce stuff off of regularly would have the exact opposite opinion of something I'd done as me. Something I thought was overly tweaky they'd say "wow, that's awesome, you really put your heart into that one," and something I thought was totally awesome and fresh they'd say "You totally ripped off Genesis there, didn't you?" The net result of this is that I've only rarely put anything out on the net or burned CD's for anyone in the last 7 or 8 years. Even then, more recently, I've had a few friends and acquaintances tell me, "You're really brave to put your stuff out on the web like that." Not sure how to take that, but hey, it's not my career or anything. > The unkindest cut came from my brother a long time ago, when > he described my work as "OK I suppose, but it's not as if it's > real music." One of my brothers has never commented on my music, but the other has been very complimentary in that "only a family member would like it that much" sort of way. Rob From jesse at essej.net Wed Aug 30 13:45:00 2006 From: jesse at essej.net (Jesse Chappell) Date: Wed Aug 30 13:45:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface II report In-Reply-To: <70a871c80608291411h79c84fccg4ab99d2ac2412f0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <70a871c80608291411h79c84fccg4ab99d2ac2412f0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 8/29/06, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > 6) More of a question: why alsamixer does not support hdsp? hdspmixer > functionality do not look too complex for alsamixer. Actually, parts of it are a lot more complex than alsamixer because of the HDSP's full matrix mixer. Furthermore, a limitation with the hardware prevents the querying of the matrix mixer values, so the app that controls it has to fully set up all values in order to know what is going on. hdspmixer does that. Thomas Charbonnel, the author of hdspmixer (and a lot of the hdsp alsa driver) planned to write a server or an API to support it so multiple apps could control it simultaneously, but he has disappeared from the scene. jlc From dubphil at free.fr Wed Aug 30 15:16:31 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Wed Aug 30 15:17:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Preferred Alsa Linux setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44F5E40F.8010209@free.fr> Josh Henne a ?crit : > Hello all; > > I am installing Gentoo on my dell Inspiron 9300. I am slightly > confused as to how Alsa should be set up. When I try to run alsamixer > I get the message: no mixer elms found. > > In the Kernel config I have set sound card support to "yes" and left > all the Alsa options blank. I have emerged the alsa-driver and > alsa-utils packages. The Internal soundcard is an Intel AC97 > controller or module Intel8x0. I have added alsa to load on boot and > added the alsa and Intel8x0 modules to load on boot. And the > SAVE_ON_STOP variable is set to "yes". Eventually I would like to add > my Mackie Onyx 1640 using freebob (but after I solve the alsa issue > first ^_^ ). > > Thanks > > > Are you sure that your sound module is compiled ? What the result of lsmod ? No error message if you do a modprobe snd-intel8x0 ? Did you put the ALSA_CARDS = "intel8x0 virmidi" in your /etc/make.conf before emerging alsa driver ? For specific questions about gentoo, and if you decide to do serious audio work, take a look to the Proaudio overlay and subscribe to the list, people are great. Regards Philippe From st at tobiah.org Wed Aug 30 15:23:35 2006 From: st at tobiah.org (st) Date: Wed Aug 30 15:24:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] /dev/sequencer Message-ID: <44F5E5B7.5020407@tobiah.org> I tried using a metronome the other day that complained that there was no /dev/sequencer (The device file is there). I have Alsa statically compiled in the kernel with oss support. What do I need to do to get the device working? Thanks, Toby From eun.sung at no-log.org Wed Aug 30 13:34:13 2006 From: eun.sung at no-log.org (eun.sung) Date: Wed Aug 30 15:34:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] /dev/sequencer In-Reply-To: <44F5E5B7.5020407@tobiah.org> References: <44F5E5B7.5020407@tobiah.org> Message-ID: <44F5CC15.80608@no-log.org> i guess you need the snd-seq module loaded st a ?crit : > I tried using a metronome the other day that complained that > there was no /dev/sequencer (The device file is there). > I have Alsa statically compiled in the kernel with oss support. > > What do I need to do to get the device working? > > Thanks, > > Toby From pcoccoli at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 15:58:08 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Wed Aug 30 15:58:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <70a871c80608291246y398be96by99bf48f9ce13bdd8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <1156792680.24032.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <70a871c80608281414k6f9ee350q1e94360236b9c26a@mail.gmail.com> <200608291836.21935.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <70a871c80608291246y398be96by99bf48f9ce13bdd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8d27a0610608301258i6cd837efobff2a57512ec5963@mail.gmail.com> On 8/29/06, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > On 8/29/06, Florian Schmidt wrote: > > How do you compare the two? > > Not predening on scientific comparison, I just listened to the same CD > records I have, on the same speakers. > > As for delta quality, I was first really upset when I was trying to > record a sound from my synth. > Setup was the following: > synth -> headphones - sound was found > synth -> delta66 -> headphones - muddy, without that specific detail > that "made the sound" > synth -> delta66 -> speakers - no that detail also > > I had Echo Indigo IO nearby and tried the following: > synth -> indigo -> headphones - gotcha! the same sound i heard > directly from the synth. > > I didn't thought the differences would be that obvious. > > Everything described is my personal experience and does not predend to > be anything more. > > Regards, > Dmitry. > > P.S. anyway, talent and hard work mean much more than hardware. > This isn't a fair comparison. As others have stated, the delta 66 doesn't have a headphone amp and the indigo does. You also don't mention what the indigo sounded like through the same active speakers as the delta. I really doubt there could be that much difference. The indigo is comparably priced to the delta (and lacks the delta's balanced I/Os, AFAICT). From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Aug 30 16:01:48 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Aug 30 16:01:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] /dev/sequencer In-Reply-To: <44F5CC15.80608@no-log.org> References: <44F5E5B7.5020407@tobiah.org> <44F5CC15.80608@no-log.org> Message-ID: <1156968108.4386.23.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 19:34 +0200, eun.sung wrote: > i guess you need the snd-seq module loaded /dev/sequencer is part of the legacy OSS interface, so you'll need snd-seq-oss in addition to snd-seq. Lee From listreader at lupulin.net Wed Aug 30 18:05:22 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Wed Aug 30 18:05:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Slackware SlackBuilds available Message-ID: <20060830220522.GB3930@seraf.office.techtarget.com> Hi All, Just a quick to anyone using slackware. I've been converting all of my software into easily maintained SLackBuilds. (Its a slackware thing.) Anyways I have the audio basics up and running. If anybody is interested: http://lupulin.net/slackware/slackbuilds/ I do this for myself, but it greatly simplifies/automates the transition from a default install to a low-lat audio workstation. I'm still adding packages (I think I'm gonna work thru someone here's Vocoder Blog Howto thingy next.) I'd be happy to explain or add new packages. thanks, -- paul w From james at dis-dot-dat.net Wed Aug 30 18:22:34 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Wed Aug 30 18:20:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some Random Thoughts In-Reply-To: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> Message-ID: <20060830222234.GE9620@fitz.Belkin> On Wed, 30 Aug, 2006 at 03:54PM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > I'm wondering how other people on here get their ideas and develop them. > > To kick off with my own experiences, sometimes an idea comes at exactly > the right time so clearly that I can work on it immediately and get it > substantially complete in one day. More usually it develops slowly and > may take weeks or even months before I am happy with it. Yes, that's pretty much exactly what happens to me. With music and with other projects, like software or writing. As an example, ATT was in my head when I woke up one morning. By the afternoon, I had almost a fully formed track in my head and I sat down and made it real. Persona Grata, on the other hand, was made in the real world. I tried different things, and generally worked for it. > Do any of you run several projects at the same time? Dropping them for > a while if you go stale on them. Do you look back on them and fiddle > with them sometimes when they are already 'complete'? Yes, yes and no. I try not to go back to things that I considered finished unless there's a very good reason. If I have a new idea, I keep it for something fresh. > Sometimes it's a chord pattern that sets me off, other times it's a > melody line. There seems to be no clear priority. I almost always start by bashing keys and then thinking "oh, those ones are nice". > Does anyone else find > that an idea gets so bogged down you end up scrapping it completely? Never. I just leave them until another time. When nothing new wants to come out, I go back through my junk and listen for the little bits I like in the middle of things I hate. > Although my website is quite a recent innovation for me I've been > recording my work in one form or another for about 15-20 years now, and > seem to find that I only *really* like about 10% of what I've produced. > What about the rest of you? Yeah, about that. I have tonnes of stuff I keep but wouldn't show anyone. > I'm sometimes surprised by the opinions of friends, both positively and > negatively. Some really go a bundle on pieces I produced early on that > almost makes me cringe. Sometimes I get a negative comment on something > I think is really good. I've found it impossible to actually predict > the response of friends and family. Same here. If this happens, though, just remember: they are wrong! You are right! They just don't "get it". :) > The unkindest cut came from my brother a long time ago, when he > described my work as "OK I suppose, but it's not as if it's real > music." I personally think that's better than people giving me a blanket thumbs-up. How can you get anything useful from someone that pretends to like even the crappiest and most tuneless ditties? James From prg at ichthyostega.de Wed Aug 30 21:11:21 2006 From: prg at ichthyostega.de (Ichthyostega) Date: Wed Aug 30 21:11:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface II report In-Reply-To: <70a871c80608291411h79c84fccg4ab99d2ac2412f0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <70a871c80608291411h79c84fccg4ab99d2ac2412f0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44F63739.7050303@ichthyostega.de> Hello Dmitry, want to comment on your observations, as I am using a Multiface II too... Dmitry Baikov schrieb: > 4) 64x2 @ 96k does not work at all. jackd gets killed by watchdog. > seems it can't start playing. can't confirm this. Works perfectly well for me. Did large recording sessions with 8 channels on 96kHz lately. For this, I did several test sessions on my desktop PC (AMD64 X2 with debian / 64Studio). The recording sessions itself I did on a 32bit Core Duo laptop with Ubuntu Dapper and a multimedia patched kernel. > 128x2 @ 96k works perfectly. never tested this. > > 5) if multiface box was power-cycled, firmware can't be loaded again, > hdsploader gives: > > Upload firmware for card hw:0 > Hwdep ioctl error on card hw:0 : Device or resource busy. > > I have cardbus version, so the solution is to reinsert the card. I > suppose with pci you'll need a reboot. same here, can confirm this. But, on my desktop PC (with PCI card), power-cycling and the doing hdsploader again works perfectly well. Cheers, Hermann Vosseler From prg at ichthyostega.de Wed Aug 30 21:51:40 2006 From: prg at ichthyostega.de (Ichthyostega) Date: Wed Aug 30 21:51:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour: trying to add a "bus" causes a crash? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44F640AC.2000407@ichthyostega.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sylvain Robitaille schrieb: > When I try to add a bus to the session ("Session -> Add Track/Bus"), it > causes Ardour to crash (many thanks to the Ardour developers for adding > intelligent crash recovery! I haven't lost any real work thanks to that.) > I can add a "track" without any problem, but what I'm after here is a > "bus". > > I _think_ I'm doing this right. The project presently has 16 tracks, > and the master bus, and I want to add a bus to use to connect post-fader > sends from selected tracks, as an effects bus (with the effect inserted > as a pre-fader plugin on the bus). I already have a (not connected) > post-fader send on one of my tracks, ready to connect to the bus I'm > trying to create. Hello Sylvain, I don't have any idea why it is crashing off my head now, but -- to get more infos -- just a few questions / suggestions.... 1) have you the "automatically connect new tracks/busses" switch on? try to set it to off, so you can see if its just the adding of the bus or the connections that crash ardour. 2) does the crash happen as well, if you use a smaller project (e.g. only the master bus or just one track)? 3) why are you trying to use a post fader send? why don't you just connect the output of your track(s) to the new bus besides the master bus, add your plugin on the bus pre or post fader and connect the output of the bus to whatever you like. I'm doing the latter frequently, but I must confess, I never used a send ;-) hope this helps, Hermann Vosseler -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE9kCsZbZrB6HelLIRAl0WAJ4rV7+z+SrmTavvIGbvdtn2wMtkmQCggjl5 2uET5Ll9mqufm2OACMU7/gw= =x9Rw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From slothlove at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 22:55:49 2006 From: slothlove at gmail.com (Spencer Russell) Date: Wed Aug 30 22:56:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour: trying to add a "bus" causes a crash? In-Reply-To: <44F640AC.2000407@ichthyostega.de> References: <44F640AC.2000407@ichthyostega.de> Message-ID: On 8/30/06, Ichthyostega wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Sylvain Robitaille schrieb: > > When I try to add a bus to the session ("Session -> Add Track/Bus"), it > > causes Ardour to crash Do you have JACK set to playback only? If I recall, I had this problem with saved sessions. A new session would work, I think, but once I saved it and opened it again, I couldn't add a bus if JACK was set to playback only. If you set JACK to full duplex the problem should go away. This bug was first reported on MANTIS (Bug 0000802) on 12-20-04 and it looks like somebody figured out how to get around it on 11-23-05. I guess not a lot of people run Ardour with JACK on playback only. -spencer From lau at therockgarden.ca Wed Aug 30 23:59:41 2006 From: lau at therockgarden.ca (Sylvain Robitaille) Date: Wed Aug 30 23:58:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour: trying to add a "bus" causes a crash? In-Reply-To: <44F640AC.2000407@ichthyostega.de> References: <44F640AC.2000407@ichthyostega.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Ichthyostega wrote: > 1) have you the "automatically connect new tracks/busses" switch on? > try to set it to off, so you can see if its just the adding of > the bus or the connections that crash ardour. Hrmmm.... I don't see a single such switch, but rather four switches: - Auto-connect new track inputs to hardware - Auto-connect new track outputs to master bus - Auto-connect new track outputs to hardware - Manually connect new track outputs If these are not what you meant, I must be looking in the wrong place. Of those, the first was selected, though I've just tried now with it deselected, but no change in behaviour. > 2) does the crash happen as well, if you use a smaller project > (e.g. only the master bus or just one track)? Started a new empty session for testing: - just the master bus, Add a new bus: no problem - add 1 track, then add a new bus: no problem - add 8 tracks, then add a new bus: no problem - add 8 more tracks, then add a new bus: no problem Hrmmm... perhaps the difference here is that I'm working with empty tracks, while in my real project I have a little over an hour's worth of material to mix? I'm trying importing a similar number of tracks with as much audio from another (already completed) project. I'll see if it's still ok with that, or if it crashes again. Assuming similar behaviour once the imported tracks contain more than N megabytes of data, does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can tune my system so that I can add new busses to a project with this much audio to mix? Update: the import completed as I was typing; I added a new bus with no problem. Tried again with the project I'm working on, but it crashes still. :-( So: Ok with new project, but crashes if I try to add a new bus to this particular existing project ... There must be something about the settings I have for this project. If anyone can suggest what I should be looking for, I would greatly appreciate it. I really don't want to have to start over every time I realize I need a new aux bus ... > 3) why are you trying to use a post fader send? It's analogous to the post-fader send on a hardware mixer, which is what I'm used to working with. If I could just send all 16 tracks out as analog audio to a hardware mixer, and mix that to 2-track,, I would be much more comfortable, and would know exactly how to get signals to any effects and back. That would relegate Ardour to being "just" a multi-track "tape" machine, though, and it would be a shame to not use the features built into the software. > why don't you just connect the output of your track(s) to the new > bus besides the master bus, add your plugin on the bus pre or post > fader and connect the output of the bus to whatever you like. Two reasons: 1. I want to be able to adjust the relative (post-fader) levels of the tracks going to the aux bus separately from the mix going to the main bus. For example, if I want less of one track going to the aux bus than another track, but I don't want to change the relative balance between the two "dry" signals going to the main mix. 2. I'm unable to add a new bus at all, as doing so crashes the software, so post-fader send, or track output or not, I can't get the signals to an alternate bus. > I'm doing the latter frequently, but I must confess, I never used a > send ;-) I started mixing many years ago, on hardware mixers, and have spent most of my time working with audio in the analog domain. Mixing on a computer is still new to me, and I want to be able to accomplish the same results I can get on an analog mixer, while still benefitting from the features of the DAW software. I'm not trying to do something Ardour _can't_ do, but it may be that I'm trying to do it "wrong". Thanks for your suggestions. At the very least, it inspired me to gather additional data about the problem. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl@alcor.concordia.ca Major in Electroacoustic Studies Concordia University Faculty of Fine Arts / Music Department Montreal, Quebec, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From chris at mccormick.cx Wed Aug 30 23:33:38 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Thu Aug 31 00:39:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some Random Thoughts In-Reply-To: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> Message-ID: <20060831033337.GA13223@mccormick.cx> On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 03:54:22PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > I'm sometimes surprised by the opinions of friends, both positively and > negatively. I have noticed this too, especially when producing work in the live format. The best gigs are when you (the performer) and the audience, both like the show, but it often happens that you don't like the show and the audience does, or visa versa. De gustibus non est disputandum. I have been thinking of submitting my own music to one of the most common capitalist tests of popularity; selling it. Speaking of which, if your music is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.5 license and you offer it for free download, you are still allowed to make a CD of that music and sell it online, right? Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From lau at therockgarden.ca Thu Aug 31 01:32:45 2006 From: lau at therockgarden.ca (Sylvain Robitaille) Date: Thu Aug 31 01:31:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re:Ardour: trying to add a "bus" causes a crash? Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Spencer Russell wrote: > Do you have JACK set to playback only? I did, yes, since I'm presently mixing already recorded tracks. > If I recall, I had this problem with saved sessions. A new session > would work, I think, but once I saved it and opened it again, I > couldn't add a bus if JACK was set to playback only. If you set JACK > to full duplex the problem should go away. Indeed it did! Thank you _very_ much! > I guess not a lot of people run Ardour with JACK on playback only. Could be. Perhaps I don't need to change Jack's configuration based on whether I'm tracking or mixing? (I do have a few saved configurations, for example, because some projects I'm working on were recorded by others with a different sample rate than I normally like to work with, and it's a lot easier, and sounds better at least on my system, to just adjust Jack than it is to resample the tracks.) Alright, then ... on with the mix! :-) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl@alcor.concordia.ca Major in Electroacoustic Studies Concordia University Faculty of Fine Arts / Music Department Montreal, Quebec, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From lau at kudla.org Thu Aug 31 01:56:45 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Aug 31 02:02:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some Random Thoughts In-Reply-To: <20060831033337.GA13223@mccormick.cx> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060831033337.GA13223@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <200608310156.46295.lau@kudla.org> On Wed August 30 2006 23:33, Chris McCormick wrote: > Speaking of which, if your music is licensed under a Creative > Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.5 license and > you offer it for free download, you are still allowed to make > a CD of that music and sell it online, right? You can legally do whatever you want with music to which you own the copyright. CC licenses serve to grant limited rights to other people, where without them they'd have no rights at all. They're not like some kind of oath you take where you swear never to sell your stuff or release it under a different license. Think of it like Openoffice/Staroffice.... anyone can do whatever the LGPL allows with Openoffice, but Sun can still sell Staroffice without including source and they're the only ones who can do so. See also MySQL, Qt, sendmail, and any number of other dual-licensed products. It just hasn't been as common a practice in music because CC licenses aren't as prevalent as free software licenses are in software. Rob From michael.wgnr at gmail.com Thu Aug 31 05:21:32 2006 From: michael.wgnr at gmail.com (Michael Wagner) Date: Thu Aug 31 05:21:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Audio Notebooks for recording? Any recommendations? Message-ID: <79f0682c0608310221qfb626d5ga23383fe25f209b1@mail.gmail.com> Hello, (Lurking mode off ;-) Trying to keep this short: Is it possible, in general, to do low latency multitrack-recording in ardour with a notebook and a multichannel audio-interface? If so, does anyone have any recommendations for notebooks and audio-interfaces that are suitable for this task and still available? I'd like to run gentoo-linux on it, do some recording and maybe, from time to time, do some Sequencing / Sample playback and PureData-stuff. Thank you, -Michael From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Aug 31 10:28:42 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Aug 31 10:30:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Linux Audio Notebooks for recording? Any recommendations? In-Reply-To: <79f0682c0608310221qfb626d5ga23383fe25f209b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <79f0682c0608310221qfb626d5ga23383fe25f209b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: No reason why not to. Although any notebook can be used, I recommend a notebook with an AMD processor (as many otherwise excellent LADSPA plugins have a specific issue with certain Intel based processors) that has a built-in firewire interface that can bus-power. (Ask your vendor if you don't know what this means). To this firewire interface, I would probably attach a Roland FA-101 for a good price/quality/linux-workability ratio. You would have to check Gentoo how well Freebob is supported and perhaps wait a little, I know Ubuntu support for Freebob is due this October. Carlo Michael Wagner schrieb: > Hello, > > (Lurking mode off ;-) > Trying to keep this short: Is it possible, in general, to do low > latency multitrack-recording in ardour with a notebook and a > multichannel audio-interface? If so, does anyone have any > recommendations for notebooks and audio-interfaces that are suitable > for this task and still available? > I'd like to run gentoo-linux on it, do some recording and maybe, from > time to time, do some Sequencing / Sample playback and PureData-stuff. > > Thank you, > -Michael > From fbar at footils.org Thu Aug 31 11:32:06 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Aug 31 11:32:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Linux Audio Notebooks for recording? Any recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <79f0682c0608310221qfb626d5ga23383fe25f209b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060831153206.GH9692@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Carlo Capocasa hat gesagt: // Carlo Capocasa wrote: > No reason why not to. Although any notebook can be used, I recommend a > notebook with an AMD processor (as many otherwise excellent LADSPA > plugins have a specific issue with certain Intel based processors) Huh? I've never had any of these issues, afaik only some old PIV-models were affected by some demormalization problems, but to my knowledge it has been sorted out. With AMD you may get different issues, like non-working W-LAN, worse battery life, and you may have a hard time finding good open source graphics drivers. I'd recommend to check out the special sites on linux lapops, especially tuxmobil.org. Most of the advice you get there is valid for audio laptops as well. Your first goal should be to make sure in advance that all the hardware in your laptop is supported, and that is hard enough. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Thu Aug 31 11:43:07 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Thu Aug 31 11:42:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Audio Notebooks for recording? Any recommendations? In-Reply-To: <79f0682c0608310221qfb626d5ga23383fe25f209b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <79f0682c0608310221qfb626d5ga23383fe25f209b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44F7038B.2080404@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Michael Wagner schrieb: > Hello, > > (Lurking mode off ;-) > Trying to keep this short: Is it possible, in general, to do low > latency multitrack-recording in ardour with a notebook and a > multichannel audio-interface? If so, does anyone have any > recommendations for notebooks and audio-interfaces that are suitable > for this task and still available? The recording engeneer of the berlin band called metaphon, uses a Lenovo-Thinkpad plus RME-Hammerfall cardbus-interface. > I'd like to run gentoo-linux on it, do some recording and maybe, from > time to time, do some Sequencing / Sample playback and PureData-stuff. That is exactly what he does, yet with Planet CCRMA. Me myself can only warn you, to be very carefull with Models, that have no real BIOS. I have got a Toshiba Tecra, that sets literally all peripherals (cardreader, antenna, usb etc) on the same IRQ with the soundchip and i cannot change this via BIOS... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE9wOL1Aecwva1SWMRAiS9AJ99gU5Y4MCM9Y48WNLvMtu9UuTwKgCgii2o LlpFILCNujSYc+rdEfEDwps= =XpLP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Aug 31 11:48:25 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Aug 31 11:44:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Linux Audio Notebooks for recording? Any recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20060831153206.GH9692@fliwatut.scifi> References: <79f0682c0608310221qfb626d5ga23383fe25f209b1@mail.gmail.com> <20060831153206.GH9692@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060831164825.7b21f958@localhost> On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:32:06 +0200 Frank Barknecht wrote: > audio laptops as well. Your first goal should be to make sure in > advance that all the hardware in your laptop is supported, and that is > hard enough. ^^^^^^^^^^^ Visions of laptops on steroids, pumping iron :) -- Will J G From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Aug 31 13:36:07 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Aug 31 13:36:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] pd and gem on gentoo In-Reply-To: <20060829095920.538c068f@acme.acmenet> References: <20060829095920.538c068f@acme.acmenet> Message-ID: <70a871c80608311036u6f64fdfage882985c1a0c0bcf@mail.gmail.com> On 8/29/06, luis jure wrote: > checking for glInitNames in -lGL... no > checking for glInitNames in -lMesaGL... no > OpenGL is mandatory > > i have an HP laptop (amd64, nvidia video card). i'm still using the > plain nv open drivers. google shows, as usual, lots of (contradicting Open "nv" drivers do not have opengl support. You have to emerge nvidia-drivers They work pretty stable for closed-source ones :) Good luck, Dmitry. From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Aug 31 13:43:26 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Aug 31 13:43:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio quality In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610608301258i6cd837efobff2a57512ec5963@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060825214339.032f91b5@mistral.stie> <1156792680.24032.10.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <70a871c80608281414k6f9ee350q1e94360236b9c26a@mail.gmail.com> <200608291836.21935.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <70a871c80608291246y398be96by99bf48f9ce13bdd8@mail.gmail.com> <8d27a0610608301258i6cd837efobff2a57512ec5963@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80608311043n9004ee6v4cfe5e7fa36993c@mail.gmail.com> On 8/30/06, Paul Coccoli wrote: > This isn't a fair comparison. As others have stated, the delta 66 > doesn't have a headphone amp and the indigo does. You also don't > mention what the indigo sounded like through the same active speakers > as the delta. Frankly speaking, I do not remember. And do not want to test it all again, because of: > I really doubt there could be that much difference. The indigo is > comparably priced to the delta (and lacks the delta's balanced I/Os, > AFAICT). You are possibly right. It seems to be one of the numerous threads on LAD I replied to recently, where it was better for me to just read and keep silence :) That's what sitting home for a week (influenza) without any talking is doing with me :) Sorry for the noise. Regards, Dmitry. From prg at ichthyostega.de Thu Aug 31 16:06:50 2006 From: prg at ichthyostega.de (Ichthyostega) Date: Thu Aug 31 16:07:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour: trying to add a "bus" causes a crash? In-Reply-To: References: <44F640AC.2000407@ichthyostega.de> Message-ID: <44F7415A.80502@ichthyostega.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Ichthyostega wrote: >> 1) have you the "automatically connect new tracks/busses" switch on? > Sylvain Robitaille schrieb: > Hrmmm.... I don't see a single such switch, but rather four switches: you are right, it was just lazy wording. This switches could have caused the problem, if ardour tries to automatically make connetctions wich are impossible. But, as you wrote, this seems not to be the problem. > Hrmmm... perhaps the difference here is that I'm working with empty > tracks, while in my real project I have a little over an hour's worth > of material to mix? I doubt this could be the problem. Normally, it doesn't make any difference how much material you have on your tracks. But -- I had just some wired problem last week: I had a project with about 50 tracks and many small takes (playback/overdubb), basically, I had more then 800 takes. Ardour has the "bad habbit" of opening each and every take forehandedly (Ardour-2 will have a much more clever file handling and won't suffer from this problem). So, at some point I got "too many open files"- messages on the console and shortly afterwards Ardour crashed. The resolution of the problem was, to start ardour from a terminal window and issue the following command prior to starting ardour at this terminal: ulimit -n 2048 There is another limitation: The maximum length of a track is limited by the number range of some internal counter variable. But this limitation kicks in only after several hours. Some weeks ago, I ran into this limitation, as I tried to integrate all takes of a large pipe organ recording project into one timeline, to facilate cutting. At 96kHz, I wasn't able to move the playback cursor to any point byond about 11 hours 30 minutes. :-) But I don't think this is your problem, I just noted it for sake of completeness.. > > There must be something about the settings I have for this project. > If anyone can suggest what I should be looking for, I would greatly > appreciate it. I really don't want to have to start over every time I > realize I need a new aux bus ... Normally, this shouldn't be necessary. You can make real huge sessions with lots of wildly interconnected busses and ardour handles everything well, including the latency. Just intuitively, I would suspect something at the input/output-configuration of some of your tracks to be messed up. (e.g. if you have a stereo track, but by accident removed one of its output connection points) Just another aproach to try: - Use a *copy* of your session file (a so called "snapshot"). I.e. if your session has the name "mysession.ardour", then copy it to a new file (e.g.) "test.ardour" and open this file with ardour. This ensures that you don't loose your original session... - then start to *strip down* the copy, maybe at some point the problem goes away: - test 1: select all takes on all tracks and remove them. Select all regions in the regions list on the right and remove them too. Save your snapshot, then try to add you bus.... - test 2: if this doesn't help, try to remove whole tracks (in the "visual" menu of every track there is a option "remove track" >> 3) why are you trying to use a post fader send? > It's analogous to the post-fader send on a hardware mixer,.... I understand, you want to set different send gains. Seems that your approach is just right and the best way to achieve this. hope this helps Cheers, Hermann Vosseler -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE90FaZbZrB6HelLIRAnLpAJ4zF4qUxe0Fn8MSW5c1vYuqmHfirACgrKVI f7neE+pGn/Hz9+T3f0suC0I= =Z+fw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Aug 31 16:10:57 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Aug 31 16:11:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour: trying to add a "bus" causes a crash? In-Reply-To: <44F7415A.80502@ichthyostega.de> References: <44F640AC.2000407@ichthyostega.de> <44F7415A.80502@ichthyostega.de> Message-ID: <1157055058.4386.128.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 22:06 +0200, Ichthyostega wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Ichthyostega wrote: > >> 1) have you the "automatically connect new tracks/busses" switch on? > > > Sylvain Robitaille schrieb: > > Hrmmm.... I don't see a single such switch, but rather four switches: > > you are right, it was just lazy wording. > This switches could have caused the problem, if ardour tries to > automatically make connetctions wich are impossible. But, as you > wrote, this seems not to be the problem. The problem is not anything you are doing, the problem is a bug in Ardour. Did you get a GDB backtrace of the crash and submit it to Paul? Lee From lau at therockgarden.ca Thu Aug 31 16:46:44 2006 From: lau at therockgarden.ca (Sylvain Robitaille) Date: Thu Aug 31 16:45:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re:Ardour: trying to add a "bus" causes a crash? In-Reply-To: <1157055058.4386.128.camel@mindpipe> References: <44F640AC.2000407@ichthyostega.de> <44F7415A.80502@ichthyostega.de> <1157055058.4386.128.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Lee Revell wrote: > Did you get a GDB backtrace of the crash and submit it to Paul? No. I'm not sure if Paul is on this mailing list, but if he is, knowing now that this is a documented problem with a documented workaround, (see Message-ID: by Spencer Russell for details), I'm not sure there's value in doing so unless he specifically wants to see the stack trace. If so, I'm certain that I can duplicate the problem suffiently to produce a core file to get a stack trace from. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl@alcor.concordia.ca Major in Electroacoustic Studies Concordia University Faculty of Fine Arts / Music Department Montreal, Quebec, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From lau at therockgarden.ca Thu Aug 31 18:25:21 2006 From: lau at therockgarden.ca (Sylvain Robitaille) Date: Thu Aug 31 18:24:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re:Ardour: trying to add a "bus" causes a crash? In-Reply-To: References: <44F640AC.2000407@ichthyostega.de> <44F7415A.80502@ichthyostega.de> <1157055058.4386.128.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: Just a quick followup to my own message ... On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Sylvain Robitaille wrote: > ... I'm not sure if Paul is on this mailing list, ... Silly me ... a quick search through messages received from the mailing list confirm that he is, or at least was as recently as three days ago ... :-) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl@alcor.concordia.ca Major in Electroacoustic Studies Concordia University Faculty of Fine Arts / Music Department Montreal, Quebec, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From lau at therockgarden.ca Thu Aug 31 20:38:28 2006 From: lau at therockgarden.ca (Sylvain Robitaille) Date: Thu Aug 31 20:37:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re:Linux Audio Notebooks for recording? Any recommendations? In-Reply-To: <44F7038B.2080404@linuxuse.de> References: <79f0682c0608310221qfb626d5ga23383fe25f209b1@mail.gmail.com> <44F7038B.2080404@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Hartmut Noack wrote: > I have got a Toshiba Tecra, that sets literally all peripherals > (cardreader, antenna, usb etc) on the same IRQ with the soundchip and > i cannot change this via BIOS... I have a Toshiba Tecra S1, and haven't found this to be a problem (in fact, I'm not even sure I've ever noticed what IRQs are in use for the peripherals on that system), though I do need to point out that I've not used that laptop for any recording (it has been used for some playback duties). -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl@alcor.concordia.ca Major in Electroacoustic Studies Concordia University Faculty of Fine Arts / Music Department Montreal, Quebec, Canada ----------------------------------------------------------------------