From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Feb 1 00:42:32 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Feb 1 00:42:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30601311857j36842413oe1b95797edbc3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6a07c30601311857j36842413oe1b95797edbc3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1138772553.27434.0.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 21:57 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > I am still new to a lot of this stuff, and I searched back a bit > through the archives (manually, as I don't know of a search > functionality) to see if there was any discussion about it. > > First question, /proc/sys/vm/swappiness. Is there an advantage to > setting this to anything than the default for my distribution, which > is 60? I have heard that settings of either 100 or 0 are good for > different reasons, but strictly thinking in terms of using my system > for music production, what would you recommend? > > Second question, elevator=cfq. I am thinking that CFQ is not good for > music purposes. Would that be correct? I've read it speeds up general > desktop usage, but this might work against realtime-preemption, > wouldn't it? > > Third question, ReiserFS vs Ext3 vs XFS vs JFS etc. Is there a > filesystem that should or shouldn't be used with realtime-preemption? > None of these should matter > Fourth question, CONFIG_DEBUG_DEADLOCKS. DeMuDi has it enabled, but it > gives a warning when you boot up that it could introduce higher > latencies. Is it safe to turn off? > Yes, that should be off - it's really bad for Demudi to enable it by default. > I'm sorry if these have been asked before, but I didn't see anything. > If you want to just link me, that's fine, I checked on Google and got > conflicting results, and not a lot specific to music production. > > Thanks in advance. > Dana > From rtp405 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 1 04:20:39 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Wed Feb 1 04:20:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAD site, linuxdj.com needs a new home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060201092040.91228.qmail@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If Paul has the site then it will run on Dreamhost where Joomla can be installed. Joomla is pretty nice and there's alot of useful modules for it. Ron --- laulist@mondoseo.com wrote: > > This is an expression of interest in cleaning up the > LAD site. I haven't > been around this list long, but I have plenty of web > experience. > > I don't know how big the site is, but is PHP an > option (for > header/footer includes, saves a lot of work and > makes future maintenance > easier). > > I notice the site is already gone ... what is the > new domain/URL? > > Michael Hall > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From aamehl at actcom.net.il Wed Feb 1 06:12:50 2006 From: aamehl at actcom.net.il (Aaron) Date: Wed Feb 1 06:15:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] denemochives Message-ID: <20060201111250.GD27556@actcom.net.il> Hi all, This is to announce the starting of a new project: Denemochives, an archives of notation in the .denemo file format under the creative commons licence. The idea is to give composers a place to archive their works and also to promote new compositions in a variety of formats. users of denemo can convert from lilypond file format to denemo with a script included in denemo. we may in the future offer online comversions, but currently notation,midi etc should be updated in zip or tar.gz format. Best Wishes Aaron From robin at rektau.ukfsn.org Wed Feb 1 07:20:12 2006 From: robin at rektau.ukfsn.org (robin) Date: Wed Feb 1 07:20:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1138772553.27434.0.camel@mindpipe> References: <1b6a07c30601311857j36842413oe1b95797edbc3d@mail.gmail.com> <1138772553.27434.0.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <43E0A77C.8090805@rektau.ukfsn.org> Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 21:57 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: >> I am still new to a lot of this stuff, and I searched back a bit >> through the archives (manually, as I don't know of a search >> functionality) to see if there was any discussion about it. >> >> First question, /proc/sys/vm/swappiness. Is there an advantage to >> setting this to anything than the default for my distribution, which >> is 60? I have heard that settings of either 100 or 0 are good for >> different reasons, but strictly thinking in terms of using my system >> for music production, what would you recommend? >> >> Second question, elevator=cfq. I am thinking that CFQ is not good for >> music purposes. Would that be correct? I've read it speeds up general >> desktop usage, but this might work against realtime-preemption, >> wouldn't it? >> >> Third question, ReiserFS vs Ext3 vs XFS vs JFS etc. Is there a >> filesystem that should or shouldn't be used with realtime-preemption? >> > > None of these should matter > >> Fourth question, CONFIG_DEBUG_DEADLOCKS. DeMuDi has it enabled, but it >> gives a warning when you boot up that it could introduce higher >> latencies. Is it safe to turn off? >> > > Yes, that should be off - it's really bad for Demudi to enable it by > default. > >> I'm sorry if these have been asked before, but I didn't see anything. >> If you want to just link me, that's fine, I checked on Google and got >> conflicting results, and not a lot specific to music production. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> Dana >> > > > Dana Is this the Demudi 1.3.0 release candidate? Could you raise a ticket at http://demudi.agnula.org/newticket robin From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Feb 1 08:46:17 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Feb 1 08:21:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] some LilyPond work Message-ID: <43E0BBA9.8050503@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Recently I had a 2-day struggle with the flu, so I took advantage of the down-time and dug into LilyPond 2.6.3 (Demudi 1.3.0rc1). The results have been placed here: http://linux-sound.org/dlp-music-lilypond/ I had fun learning the language (again), and I'm pleased with the look of the output. I'll add more stuff to that site as I spend more time in the Pond. Btw, the lack of a GUI was no hindrance. I opened GhostView in 'watch' mode along with my work file : gv --watch foo.ly & I coded in one window, compiled in another, and watched as GV immediately updated after each compiler run. Not realtime, of course, but close enough for the kind of work I'm doing. Kudos to the LilyPond devels for this amazing software ! Best, dp From arnold.krille at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 08:27:30 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Wed Feb 1 08:27:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: some LilyPond work In-Reply-To: <43E0BBA9.8050503@woh.rr.com> References: <43E0BBA9.8050503@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80602010527x35817201n@mail.gmail.com> Quick answer: The Copyright on the printed pages (at least the png's) show the year 2005. Surely you wrote them the last two days which is in 2006, at least in my timezone here... Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From dana at ubuntustudio.com Wed Feb 1 08:27:38 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Wed Feb 1 08:28:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <43E0A77C.8090805@rektau.ukfsn.org> References: <1b6a07c30601311857j36842413oe1b95797edbc3d@mail.gmail.com> <1138772553.27434.0.camel@mindpipe> <43E0A77C.8090805@rektau.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> On 2/1/06, robin wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 21:57 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > >> I am still new to a lot of this stuff, and I searched back a bit > >> through the archives (manually, as I don't know of a search > >> functionality) to see if there was any discussion about it. > >> > >> First question, /proc/sys/vm/swappiness. Is there an advantage to > >> setting this to anything than the default for my distribution, which > >> is 60? I have heard that settings of either 100 or 0 are good for > >> different reasons, but strictly thinking in terms of using my system > >> for music production, what would you recommend? > >> > >> Second question, elevator=cfq. I am thinking that CFQ is not good for > >> music purposes. Would that be correct? I've read it speeds up general > >> desktop usage, but this might work against realtime-preemption, > >> wouldn't it? > >> > >> Third question, ReiserFS vs Ext3 vs XFS vs JFS etc. Is there a > >> filesystem that should or shouldn't be used with realtime-preemption? > >> > > > > None of these should matter > > > >> Fourth question, CONFIG_DEBUG_DEADLOCKS. DeMuDi has it enabled, but it > >> gives a warning when you boot up that it could introduce higher > >> latencies. Is it safe to turn off? > >> > > > > Yes, that should be off - it's really bad for Demudi to enable it by > > default. > > > >> I'm sorry if these have been asked before, but I didn't see anything. > >> If you want to just link me, that's fine, I checked on Google and got > >> conflicting results, and not a lot specific to music production. > >> > >> Thanks in advance. > >> Dana > >> > > > > > > > > Dana > > Is this the Demudi 1.3.0 release candidate? Could you raise a ticket at > http://demudi.agnula.org/newticket > > robin > Thanks for the replies. Robin, I actually use Ubuntu, I'm just trying to get it as close to DeMuDi as possible. I just looked at DeMuDi's kernel config so I could compare it to mine. I'm documenting as much as I can and working on tutorials and the like. Dana ubuntustudio.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Feb 1 09:28:35 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Feb 1 09:04:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: some LilyPond work In-Reply-To: <2def88b80602010527x35817201n@mail.gmail.com> References: <43E0BBA9.8050503@woh.rr.com> <2def88b80602010527x35817201n@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E0C593.4070308@woh.rr.com> Arnold Krille wrote: >Quick answer: > >The Copyright on the printed pages (at least the png's) show the year >2005. Surely you wrote them the last two days which is in 2006, at > > >least in my timezone here... > > Hi Arnold: Thanks for looking at the pages. Sorry for the confusion, but I did write them last year. Are you referring to the date beside/under my name ? Best, dp From arnold.krille at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 09:22:22 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Wed Feb 1 09:22:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: some LilyPond work In-Reply-To: <43E0C593.4070308@woh.rr.com> References: <43E0BBA9.8050503@woh.rr.com> <2def88b80602010527x35817201n@mail.gmail.com> <43E0C593.4070308@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80602010622y45848e74i@mail.gmail.com> Ah, so I misunderstood you: I thought recent flu + lilypondhacking = written recently... Yes, I was referring to the date near your name. Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Feb 1 10:00:59 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Feb 1 09:36:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: some LilyPond work In-Reply-To: <2def88b80602010622y45848e74i@mail.gmail.com> References: <43E0BBA9.8050503@woh.rr.com> <2def88b80602010527x35817201n@mail.gmail.com> <43E0C593.4070308@woh.rr.com> <2def88b80602010622y45848e74i@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E0CD2B.3090907@woh.rr.com> Arnold Krille wrote: >Ah, so I misunderstood you: I thought recent flu + lilypondhacking = >written recently... > > :) The pieces have been laying around, waiting for some motivation. I needed to update some material on LP, the time seemed appropriate, and I finally got into the work. I've added more fingerings, and I tried to add string numbers but it doesn't seem to work in 2.6.3. I'd like to know how to re-position the fingering indicators, some of them run into the phrase curves. Best, dp From Victor.Lazzarini at nuim.ie Wed Feb 1 10:31:21 2006 From: Victor.Lazzarini at nuim.ie (Victor Lazzarini) Date: Wed Feb 1 10:34:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: Csound 5.00 Release Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20060201152938.0327bef8@mail.may.ie> Csound 5 has finally arrived, enjoy... -Victor ================================================== After what has seemed a very long time (because it was...) we are releasing csound5.00 The binary, manuals and source files are on http://sourceforge.net/projects/csound and look for the csound5 files. The opportunity has been taken to tidy up the assembly of csound4.23 and earlier files and we are leaving the 4.23 files for a short while. Main message -- everyone should change to csound5. More robust, faster, more facilities, more fun, more music. ==John ffitch ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Release Notes for Csound 5.00 ----------------------------- The developers are very pleased to be releasing Csound5, for Linux (32 and 64 bit), Mac OSX and Windows, together with an uptodate manual. The system can be downloaded from http://sourceforge.net/projects/csound More details and further information can be found in the csound-develop mailing list at sourceforge and the main user mailing list ar csound@lists.bath.ac.uk The changes from version 4.23 are extensive. The internal structure of the code has been radically changed, but the language remains compatible with Csound4, and all old orchestra/scores should run unchanged. The main visible change is that we are using a plugin style of system. many of the opcodes are now loaded at start-up. This opens the way for private opcode libraries, and opcodes released under other licences than LGPL. The other major change is a move to the use of external libraries where possible. All the internal code for sound files, realtime audio etc has been replaced. We are now using libsndfile for audio file I/O, and one of ALSA, PortAudio, CoreAudio, MME or ASIO for realtime. MIDI may be handled by PortMIDI as well. The incorporation of Open Sound Control facilities uses the liblo library. A number of opcodes from csoundAV and csoundVST are now part of the main system. Another major change is that Csound5 is embeddable in other programming systems, using an API for information linkage. We are including Python, Java and other bindings for the API. Csound5 can also have multiple instances and is re-entrant. In addition there are a number of new opcodes, and of course bug fixes. We believe that csound5 is faster than csound4, and we encourage all users to move to it. NOTE: IT MAY BE NECESSARY ON SOME PLATFORMS TO HAVE EITHER ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES OPCODEDIR OR OPCODEDIR64 SET TO POINT TO DIRECTORY WHERE OPCODES LIVE. THE RELEASED FILES ARE BELIEVED TO BE SAFE AND CORRECT IN THIS RESPECT BUT BEWARE! New features: ------------ Access to multiple ALSA devices FLTK widgets reworked and synchronised with csoundAV User defined gens with names (rather than numbers) --expression-opt command option Information on time for each phase of csound if required Command line options to set ID tags in output soundfile (title/copyright etc) Jack available as output device --sched option now accepts a priority value -+rtaudio option to select output system Many new command line options Utilities to create csd files from orc/score Tcl/TK frontends (cstclsh and cswish) Can use looping structures in WAV files as well as AIFF Increased number of possible input and output audio file formats named channels #ifdef in orchestra removed limitation of only one track in MIDI input files MIDI output can also be written to a file (this is somewhat limited) MIDI-style extra time and release (xtratim, linsegr, etc.) is now also possible with score notes string variables (of type S) automatic conversion of some C-style escape sequences (\n, \r, ASCII code in octal \ooo format, etc) in string constants made internal indexes to orchestra variables 32 bit (was 16 bit in Csound 4), allowing for larger and more complex instruments replaced old PVOC format with PVOC-EX in all related opcodes SADIR SSDIR and INCDIR can now be a colon separated list of directories New Opcodes: ----------- maxk tab, tabw, and tb0()..tb15() vst4cs plugin opcodes pconvolve ftconv loris opcodes Python opcodes fluid opcodes chani and chano; chnset and chnget (string indexed) GEN43 a number of pvs (streaming phase vocoder) opcodes moogladder statevar fofilter syncgrain miditempo event_i reverbsc (Sean Costello's waveguide reverb) freeverb gentune GEN operation GEN51 GEN52 diskin2 turnoff2 a-rate int() and frac(), and round(), floor(), and ceil() << and >> operators STK (Perry Cook) instruments available from original code k() function Mixer opcodes OSCrecv, OSClisten, OSCsend loop opcodes printf, printf_i string hacking opcodes Bug Fixes: --------- Error in tablew fixed Minor fixed in dcblock Include files were confused by sections Improved reading of command line Fixes in dynamic fgen numbers gogobel and vibraphone amplitude fix Arguments to schewhen were wrong Better checking in bqrez minor checking in grain wguide2, wguide1 avoid very low frequencies wgpluck bug fix Some error messages corrected and typos fixed FLsetVal arguments were wrong outo missed out channel 6 fixed bugs and improved error reporting in ^+ and ^- code. kread, kdump and a number of other opcodes will take string arguments from the score bug fix in sinc window (gen20) Added iskip options to moogvcf, vco, bqrez, pareq, tbvcf and rezzy values rounded rather than truncated in deltap, comb, and delay removed spurious initial values from some MIDI opcodes Joystick was upside down lpshold and loopseg changed to agree with csoundAV marimba now allows zero probability of a multiple strike Added skipinit argument to diskin and soundin wave-terrain fixes for phase error accumulation (on long notes) new optional argument to delayr and all deltap opcodes, to allow delay taps to read from any of the nested delayr/delayw pairs, not just the last new optional argument to distort1 opcode (defaults to zero), to select amplitude scaling mode (0: default, compatible with original version; 1: relative to 0dBFS, same as mode 0 if 0dbfs is 32768; 2: unscaled) valpass fixed parameter overwriting Improved accuracy in some filters Improvements in bowedbar JPff -- 1 Feb 2006 Files on Sourceforge ==================== Sources: Csound5.00_src.tar.gz Csound5.00_src.zip Csound5.00_OS9_src.smi.bin Csound5.00_src_all.tar.gz (including Loris and STK code) Csound5.00_src_all.zip (including Loris and STK code) Manual Csound5.00_manual_chm.zip Csound5.00_manual_html.zip Csound5.00_manual_pdf.zip Csound5.00_manual_pdf_A4.zip Csound5.00_manual_single_file.zip OS9: Csound5.00_OS9.smi.bin OSX: Csound5.00_OSX10.3.tar.gz Csound5.00_OSX10.4.tar.gz Linux Csound5.00_i686.rpm Csound5.00_x86_64.rpm [Linux for non-root users on X86_64 Csound5.00_x86_64d.tar.gz Csound5.00_x86_64f.tar.gz ] Windows Csound5.00_win32.i686.zip Csound5.00_win32.exe (with installed) Victor Lazzarini Music Technology Laboratory Music Department National University of Ireland, Maynooth From d_baron at 012.net.il Wed Feb 1 10:53:07 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Wed Feb 1 10:53:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: 2.6.15 alsa problem SOLVED In-Reply-To: <200601312105.33060.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20060131182859.4096B4449C6@music.columbia.edu> <200601312105.33060.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <200602011753.07778.d_baron@012.net.il> On Tuesday 31 January 2006 21:05, you wrote: > snd=mu401 does not load with same error as in 2.6.12 kernels! Back on the 2.6.12 thread, someone suggested option "nopnp". This was rejected on modprobe. pnp=no, voile. From johnmulholland at fastmail.fm Wed Feb 1 11:09:22 2006 From: johnmulholland at fastmail.fm (John Mulholland) Date: Wed Feb 1 11:09:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30601311857j36842413oe1b95797edbc3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6a07c30601311857j36842413oe1b95797edbc3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E0DD32.9020306@fastmail.fm> Dana Olson wrote: >Third question, ReiserFS vs Ext3 vs XFS vs JFS etc. Is there a >filesystem that should or shouldn't be used with realtime-preemption? > > On the Knoppmyth (1) wiki they suggest moving to XFS for a noticable increase in speed when dealing with larger data files. I have no idea how much this could help, but if it is quicker in general then I would imagine it would be better suited to realtime-preemption. I dont know, just throwing it out there. :) 1. Knoppmyth is a homebrew pvr - http://www.mysettopbox.tv From sbenno at gardena.net Wed Feb 1 11:27:59 2006 From: sbenno at gardena.net (Benno Senoner) Date: Wed Feb 1 11:21:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAD site, linuxdj.com needs a new home In-Reply-To: <1138753164.5129.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43DDEA80.40907@gardena.net> <87k6chmf4u.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1138661049.18906.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1138753164.5129.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43E0E18F.8040006@gardena.net> I mailed Paul the link to fetch the whole LAD web tree and files, about 5.7GB ( the content that was on www.linuxdj.com/audio ) next step should be deciding wheter to put the content on a nicer domain. ( and having linuxdj.com/audio redirect to that domain/site so that search engine and website links get redirected to the correct place). I'll wait for Paul's reply how to proceed (redirect linuxdj.com etc). cheers, Benno Paul Davis wrote: >On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 17:44 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > > >>On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 01:10 +0100, Esben Stien wrote: >> >> >>>Benno Senoner writes: >>> >>> >>> >>>>consumes so much bandwidth >>>> >>>> >>>Why don't we put these videos on archive.org?. >>> >>> >>I currently have 1870GB/month bandwidth, and it climbs by 16GB/week >>right now. Last month, I used 0.1% of my bandwidth. Its not an issue. >> >> > >lets get this transfer started ... > > > > From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Wed Feb 1 11:41:24 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Wed Feb 1 11:41:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:27:38 -0500, Dana Olson was like: >?On 2/1/06, robin ?wrote: >?I actually use Ubuntu, I'm just trying to get it as close to DeMuDi >?as possible. Just curious... why wouldn't you just use Demudi instead of Ubuntu (or do you just prefer Ubuntu)? Ruben From dana at ubuntustudio.com Wed Feb 1 11:55:25 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Wed Feb 1 11:55:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602010855h359db828k6f92e7b9b2a892a6@mail.gmail.com> On 2/1/06, Ruben Lopez wrote: > On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:27:38 -0500, Dana Olson was like: > >On 2/1/06, robin wrote: > > >I actually use Ubuntu, I'm just trying to get it as close to DeMuDi > >as possible. > > Just curious... why wouldn't you just use Demudi instead of Ubuntu (or do you just prefer Ubuntu)? DeMuDi is too far behind the times, for one. I moved to Ubuntu because I was bored of maintaining Debian Sid on my desktop. I like the fact that they have a really good desktop Linux out there, they give out free pressed CDs, and they have predictable release cycles. Plus I like Gnome. Also, DeMuDi is in a bit of trouble with that sponsor pulling out, so it doesn't seem very stable. And Free is trying to get everything into Debian anyhow, which means it will all filter into Ubuntu down the line. Although I didn't have any issue installing DeMuDi, there are some people who use Ubuntu who couldn't get it installed. Ubuntu configures everything for them, so they're happy and can get into Linux easily. I want to support that, and my goals in making ubuntustudio.com are not to undermine any of the other audio distros, but instead to provide help for Ubuntu users. In short, I do just prefer Ubuntu, but Debian and DeMuDi do not feel as cohesive and polished as Ubuntu does. Besides that, when I tried DeMuDi, a lot of apps didn't even launch from the menus, and the mixer for my soundcard seemed a little screwy. By focusing on Ubuntu, I can learn a lot more about how things work, while helping out other Ubuntu users at the same time. It almost makes me feel like I'm contributing to the community in some small way. I have been discussing with Mark and some people from Canonical/Ubuntu about getting Ubuntu to the point where all the manual stuff is minimized, with a -rt kernel as an installable option, and decent music apps added in. Dapper has almost everything missing from Breezy, aside from apps that are not in Debian, and weren't even officially part of DeMuDi (om, mx44, dssi, to name a few). I think there is room for another option for musicians, don't you? Instead of people who currently use Ubuntu and are happy with it moving to a different distro that isn't as easy to use, I'd rather see Ubuntu improve, giving its users more easy options and flexability. Although I switched to Ubuntu a while back, I still run Debian on my server. I just prefer the lack of releases for a server machine, so I don't have to reboot every 6 months for a new kernel. Dana From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Feb 1 12:08:23 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Feb 1 12:08:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> Message-ID: <1138813704.27434.5.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 08:41 -0800, Ruben Lopez wrote: > On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:27:38 -0500, Dana Olson was like: > > On 2/1/06, robin wrote: > > > I actually use Ubuntu, I'm just trying to get it as close to DeMuDi > > as possible. > > Just curious... why wouldn't you just use Demudi instead of Ubuntu (or do you just prefer Ubuntu)? > A better question would be, why is Demudi still Debian based rather than Ubuntu based? Lee From dana at ubuntustudio.com Wed Feb 1 12:24:45 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Wed Feb 1 12:24:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1138813704.27434.5.camel@mindpipe> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1138813704.27434.5.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602010924o5d29f931wc6e0914a6ef9eeb6@mail.gmail.com> On 2/1/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 08:41 -0800, Ruben Lopez wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:27:38 -0500, Dana Olson was like: > > > On 2/1/06, robin wrote: > > > > > I actually use Ubuntu, I'm just trying to get it as close to DeMuDi > > > as possible. > > > > Just curious... why wouldn't you just use Demudi instead of Ubuntu (or do you just prefer Ubuntu)? > > > > A better question would be, why is Demudi still Debian based rather than > Ubuntu based? > > Lee I'm pretty sure the LiveCD is Ubuntu-based. And someone told me that the install was too, but if you say it isn't, then I don't know, and can't remember. But I think the best thing for everyone is for all of DeMuDi to get into Debian Sid. That way both Debian users and Ubuntu users and _______ users will have it all. From alberto.botti at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 12:54:32 2006 From: alberto.botti at gmail.com (Alberto Botti) Date: Wed Feb 1 12:54:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "DVD-A"paranoia? In-Reply-To: <20060131180433.3C44E4064@joseph.doink.com> References: <20060131180433.3C44E4064@joseph.doink.com> Message-ID: <1138816472.11329.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Il giorno mar, 31/01/2006 alle 10.04 -0800, Kevin Cosgrove ha scritto: > Plextors are very nice. I have one of their CDRW units. I own one of their DVD recorders, but I'm not happy to see things like this (from http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~noe/Plextor/): Plextor does obviously not tolerate that anyone can use the PX-755 drive on Linux, or that anyone uses alternative scanning applications. Plextor has introduced "protected commands" into this drive. Commands like enabling/disabling Bitsetting, GigaREC or SilentMode, as well as all quality check commands, now require to retrieve a code and send another one that is calculated from the received one back to the drive, otherwise those commands will be rejected by the drive. It even seems like Plextor has tried to sue a developer who wrote a Linux application to use some advanced features of their drives (thread on http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=138061). From plessas at mur.at Wed Feb 1 13:57:36 2006 From: plessas at mur.at (Peter Plessas) Date: Wed Feb 1 13:57:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] qjackctl windows on multiple desktops Message-ID: <43E104A0.8090200@mur.at> Dear list, just noticed the following behavior and want to know if that is only for me: Using multiple desktops/workspaces and qjackctl makes the app opening its 'Connect' window on the desktop i started qjackctl in (after moving the window to another desktop). Summary: I click 'Connections' and cycle through my other desktops to find the window. This is on debian testing powerpc using fluxbox 0.9.14 and qjackctl 0.2.19a-1 regards, Peter From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Feb 1 13:59:43 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Feb 1 13:59:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "DVD-A"paranoia? In-Reply-To: <1138816472.11329.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060131180433.3C44E4064@joseph.doink.com> <1138816472.11329.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1138820383.27434.28.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 18:54 +0100, Alberto Botti wrote: > Il giorno mar, 31/01/2006 alle 10.04 -0800, Kevin Cosgrove ha scritto: > > Plextors are very nice. I have one of their CDRW units. > > I own one of their DVD recorders, but I'm not happy to see things like > this (from http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~noe/Plextor/): > > Plextor does obviously not tolerate that anyone can use the PX-755 drive > on Linux, or that anyone uses alternative scanning applications. Plextor > has introduced "protected commands" into this drive. Commands like > enabling/disabling Bitsetting, GigaREC or SilentMode, as well as all > quality check commands, now require to retrieve a code and send another > one that is calculated from the received one back to the drive, > otherwise those commands will be rejected by the drive. > > > It even seems like Plextor has tried to sue a developer who wrote a > Linux application to use some advanced features of their drives (thread > on http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=138061). > > Wow, this is F**KED UP - so you'd need to violate the DMCA to write a driver. What revenue stream are they trying to protect - do they charge extra for a fully functional driver and/or burning software? This is one of the worst things I've seen a vendor try to pull. I'm never buying another Plextor. Lee From alberto.botti at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 14:17:03 2006 From: alberto.botti at gmail.com (Alberto Botti) Date: Wed Feb 1 14:17:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "DVD-A"paranoia? In-Reply-To: <1138820383.27434.28.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060131180433.3C44E4064@joseph.doink.com> <1138816472.11329.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1138820383.27434.28.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1138821423.22639.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Il giorno mer, 01/02/2006 alle 13.59 -0500, Lee Revell ha scritto: > Wow, this is F**KED UP - so you'd need to violate the DMCA to write a > driver. What revenue stream are they trying to protect - do they charge > extra for a fully functional driver and/or burning software? They include PlexTools Professional (http://www.plextools.com/info/info.asp) with every retail drive, and they sell an enhanced version called Plextools Professional XL. All of their software requires Microsoft Windows. > This is one of the worst things I've seen a vendor try to pull. I'm > never buying another Plextor. Me too. And it doesn't help that my PX-716A likes to make coasters out of almost half the perfectly good CDs I put in it... From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Feb 1 14:24:54 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Feb 1 14:25:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "DVD-A"paranoia? In-Reply-To: <1138821423.22639.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060131180433.3C44E4064@joseph.doink.com> <1138816472.11329.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1138820383.27434.28.camel@mindpipe> <1138821423.22639.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1138821895.27434.46.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 20:17 +0100, Alberto Botti wrote: > All of their software requires Microsoft Windows. > This I've come to expect, but HARDWARE that requires Windows? Grr. I guess it's to be expected - investors these days demand that profits increase every quarter, and if you're in a mature market, the only way to meet those conditions is to cut corners and/or rip off your customers... Lee From lau at kudla.org Wed Feb 1 14:26:25 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Feb 1 14:36:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The fall of Plextor, was Re: "DVD-A"paranoia? In-Reply-To: <1138821423.22639.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060131180433.3C44E4064@joseph.doink.com> <1138820383.27434.28.camel@mindpipe> <1138821423.22639.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200602011426.26402.lau@kudla.org> On Wed February 1 2006 14:17, Alberto Botti wrote: > They include PlexTools Professional > (http://www.plextools.com/info/info.asp) with every retail > drive, and they sell an enhanced version called Plextools > Professional XL. All of their software requires Microsoft > Windows. From the forum thread someone linked to earlier, judging by the wording of the letter received by the developer, it might actually be the name they were really objecting to: "pxtools" seems like it'd be different enough to me, but then, Lindows had to change their name based on "-dows", so maybe just taking out the "le" from PlexTools wasn't enough. Regardless, it was a lousy thing to do. > > This is one of the worst things I've seen a vendor try to > > pull. I'm never buying another Plextor. > > Me too. And it doesn't help that my PX-716A likes to make > coasters out of almost half the perfectly good CDs I put in > it... Plextors were the best until 2 or 3 years ago, and then something happened. Now the name means nothing.... just another brand of drives, maybe made by Plextor, maybe rebadged. I try to buy LiteOn drives nowadays, especially for DVD burners... they may be the closest thing to "generic" that you can get (I discovered them by buying some rebadged drive by Yamaha or Memorex and finding it was a LiteOn), but I've never made a single coaster with one. Granted I've never tried to do with LiteOn drives the kinds of things pxtools is supposed to let you do with Plextor drives. Rob From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Wed Feb 1 14:43:22 2006 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier) Date: Wed Feb 1 14:43:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [linux-audio-user] LAD site, linuxdj.com needs a new home In-Reply-To: <43E0E18F.8040006@gardena.net> References: <43DDEA80.40907@gardena.net> <87k6chmf4u.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1138661049.18906.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1138753164.5129.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43E0E18F.8040006@gardena.net> Message-ID: <43E10F5A.3080608@folkwang-hochschule.de> finally chiming in... glad there's so many volunteers for site hosting. it's time that the site moves on, it's been without maintenance for over a year now. please make sure that the redirect from http://linuxdj.com/audio/lad/ is maintained, since hundreds of sites worldwide use that url. also, the linuxaudiodev.org domain has expired a while ago, it would be nice if someone were to reclaim it and point it to the new location as well. (benno, i've been trying to contact you about this for months, but you're a little hard to reach these days.) if whoever is going to re-do the site is interested in real-time list stats (a crude version of which you can see on the old subscribe.php page, unfortunately very out of date since i've been locked out of the machine for the better part of a year), get in touch with me and we'll set something up. best, j?rn Benno Senoner wrote: > I mailed Paul the link to fetch the whole LAD web tree and files, about > 5.7GB ( the content that was on www.linuxdj.com/audio ) > next step should be deciding wheter to put the content on a nicer > domain. ( and having linuxdj.com/audio redirect to that domain/site > so that search engine and website links get redirected to the correct > place). > > I'll wait for Paul's reply how to proceed (redirect linuxdj.com etc). > > cheers, > Benno > > > Paul Davis wrote: > >> On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 17:44 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: >> >> >>> On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 01:10 +0100, Esben Stien wrote: >>> >>>> Benno Senoner writes: >>>> >>>> >>>>> consumes so much bandwidth >>>>> >>>> Why don't we put these videos on archive.org?. >>>> >>> I currently have 1870GB/month bandwidth, and it climbs by 16GB/week >>> right now. Last month, I used 0.1% of my bandwidth. Its not an issue. >>> >> >> lets get this transfer started ... >> >> >> >> > > -- j?rn nettingsmeier home://germany/45128 essen/lortzingstr. 11/ http://spunk.dnsalias.org phone://+49/201/491621 if you are a free (as in "free speech") software developer and you happen to be travelling near my home, drop me a line and come round for a free (as in "free beer") beer. :-D From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Feb 1 14:45:03 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Feb 1 14:45:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The fall of Plextor, was Re: "DVD-A"paranoia? In-Reply-To: <200602011426.26402.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060131180433.3C44E4064@joseph.doink.com> <1138820383.27434.28.camel@mindpipe> <1138821423.22639.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200602011426.26402.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1138823104.27434.54.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 14:26 -0500, Rob wrote: > Plextors were the best until 2 or 3 years ago, and then something > happened. Now the name means nothing.... just another brand of > drives, maybe made by Plextor, maybe rebadged. The quality seemed to take a nosedive around when they stopped making SCSI burners. Maybe they got bought or something. My old Plexwriter ultrawide SCSI burner probably made 10,000 discs before it died. I have a newer ATAPI Plexwriter 48/24/48A here that's probably burned less than 1000 and half the time the tray won't open unless I stick a paperclip in there. Lee From smoak at mis.net Wed Feb 1 14:55:51 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Wed Feb 1 14:46:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] some LilyPond work In-Reply-To: <43E0BBA9.8050503@woh.rr.com> References: <43E0BBA9.8050503@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200602011455.51314.smoak@mis.net> Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > Recently I had a 2-day struggle with the flu, so I took advantage > of the down-time and dug into LilyPond 2.6.3 (Demudi 1.3.0rc1). The > results have been placed here: > > http://linux-sound.org/dlp-music-lilypond/ > Nice work, Dave. Like having the lp, pdf and mid files all there together. I enjoyed all three tunes and, just for fun, used audacity to make ogg files of each. Prelude moves a bit too quick for me to read or play. (What is MM for it?) But I used alsaplayer to cut the tempo in half (drops it an octave); maybe I can chase it there. Noticed that the mid files didn't come via LP; how did you create the mids? Also do you have ogg files of you playing them? Again thanks for tunes, the charts and the mids. Marv From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Feb 1 14:49:12 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Feb 1 14:49:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The fall of Plextor, was Re: "DVD-A"paranoia? In-Reply-To: <200602011426.26402.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060131180433.3C44E4064@joseph.doink.com> <1138820383.27434.28.camel@mindpipe> <1138821423.22639.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200602011426.26402.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1138823353.27434.59.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 14:26 -0500, Rob wrote: > From the forum thread someone linked to earlier, judging by the > wording of the letter received by the developer, it might > actually be the name they were really objecting to: "pxtools" > seems like it'd be different enough to me, but then, Lindows had > to change their name based on "-dows", so maybe just taking out > the "le" from PlexTools wasn't enough. True but if they've really moved to a challenge-response scheme for sending SCSI commands it's clear that the intent is to make any attempt at a third party Pxtools replacement illegal under the DMCA. Really I could care less about Plextor, good companies destroy their customer base by cheaping out all the time (see also Creative Labs). What's scary is that this could be the future of hardware, where you can't RE a driver without violating the DMCA. Lee From dana at ubuntustudio.com Wed Feb 1 15:01:08 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Wed Feb 1 15:01:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [linux-audio-user] LAD site, linuxdj.com needs a new home In-Reply-To: <43E10F5A.3080608@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <43DDEA80.40907@gardena.net> <87k6chmf4u.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1138661049.18906.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1138753164.5129.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43E0E18F.8040006@gardena.net> <43E10F5A.3080608@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602011201x3a0ee76fhddfeacf39c86dbfe@mail.gmail.com> On 2/1/06, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote: > finally chiming in... > > glad there's so many volunteers for site hosting. it's time that the > site moves on, it's been without maintenance for over a year now. > > please make sure that the redirect from http://linuxdj.com/audio/lad/ is > maintained, since hundreds of sites worldwide use that url. > > also, the linuxaudiodev.org domain has expired a while ago, it would be > nice if someone were to reclaim it and point it to the new location as > well. (benno, i've been trying to contact you about this for months, but > you're a little hard to reach these days.) > > if whoever is going to re-do the site is interested in real-time list > stats (a crude version of which you can see on the old subscribe.php > page, unfortunately very out of date since i've been locked out of the > machine for the better part of a year), get in touch with me and we'll > set something up. > > best, > > j?rn > > > > Benno Senoner wrote: > > I mailed Paul the link to fetch the whole LAD web tree and files, about > > 5.7GB ( the content that was on www.linuxdj.com/audio ) > > next step should be deciding wheter to put the content on a nicer > > domain. ( and having linuxdj.com/audio redirect to that domain/site > > so that search engine and website links get redirected to the correct > > place). > > > > I'll wait for Paul's reply how to proceed (redirect linuxdj.com etc). > > > > cheers, > > Benno > > > > > > Paul Davis wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 17:44 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > >> > >> > >>> On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 01:10 +0100, Esben Stien wrote: > >>> > >>>> Benno Senoner writes: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> consumes so much bandwidth > >>>>> > >>>> Why don't we put these videos on archive.org?. > >>>> > >>> I currently have 1870GB/month bandwidth, and it climbs by 16GB/week > >>> right now. Last month, I used 0.1% of my bandwidth. Its not an issue. > >>> > >> > >> lets get this transfer started ... > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > j?rn nettingsmeier > > home://germany/45128 essen/lortzingstr. 11/ > http://spunk.dnsalias.org > phone://+49/201/491621 > > if you are a free (as in "free speech") software developer > and you happen to be travelling near my home, drop me a line > and come round for a free (as in "free beer") beer. :-D > Who owns the linuxdj.com domain? When you go there, there's nothing useful. Can't it just be pointed to the new host, and then the links won't break at all (assuming the owner is willing)? From markus at herhoffer.net Wed Feb 1 16:21:53 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Wed Feb 1 15:07:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] qjackctl windows on multiple desktops In-Reply-To: <43E104A0.8090200@mur.at> References: <43E104A0.8090200@mur.at> Message-ID: <43E12671.9040500@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello! I use fluxbox 0.9.14-r1 on Gentoo. Same behaviour. I already got used to that. Markus Peter Plessas wrote: > Dear list, > > just noticed the following behavior and want to know if that is only for > me: > > Using multiple desktops/workspaces and qjackctl makes the app opening > its 'Connect' window on the desktop i started qjackctl in (after moving > the window to another desktop). > > Summary: I click 'Connections' and cycle through my other desktops to > find the window. > > This is on debian testing powerpc using fluxbox 0.9.14 and qjackctl > 0.2.19a-1 > > regards, > Peter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD4SZx4ihw6BWdedERAsp7AJ99QZlwXAtnxtM3IdK+TjCPliHYgACgyHEl 1PVTynLDITFigr5VgljWe7Q= =ojlN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Feb 1 15:15:36 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Feb 1 15:15:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] qjackctl windows on multiple desktops In-Reply-To: <43E12671.9040500@herhoffer.net> References: <43E104A0.8090200@mur.at> <43E12671.9040500@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <1138824937.27434.72.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 21:21 +0000, Markus Herhoffer wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello! > > I use fluxbox 0.9.14-r1 on Gentoo. Same behaviour. I already got used to > that. > > Markus Sounds like a FLuxbox bug, it works perfectly here on Gnome 2.13.90. Lee From kevinc at doink.com Wed Feb 1 15:20:17 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Wed Feb 1 15:20:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "DVD-A"paranoia? In-Reply-To: <1138821423.22639.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060201202018.038654086@joseph.doink.com> I suggest that some folks could let Plextor know that - you used to buy Plextor and found their gear to be the best - because of their anti-Linux posture you won't be buying their products in the foreseeable future - instead you'll buy from There are some vendors for whom this strategy has worked in favor of Linux users. HP printers are better supported now, for instance. TTFN... -- Kevin From kevinc at doink.com Wed Feb 1 15:25:33 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Wed Feb 1 15:26:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The fall of Plextor, was Re: "DVD-A"paranoia? In-Reply-To: <200602011426.26402.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <20060201202533.C14944086@joseph.doink.com> On 1 February 2006 at 14:26, Rob wrote: > I try to buy LiteOn drives nowadays, especially for DVD=20 > burners... they may be the closest thing to "generic" that you=20 > can get (I discovered them by buying some rebadged drive by=20 > Yamaha or Memorex and finding it was a LiteOn), but I've never=20 > made a single coaster with one. Granted I've never tried to do=20 > with LiteOn drives the kinds of things pxtools is supposed to=20 > let you do with Plextor drives. I also like my LiteOn drive a lot. If you need to make a coaster, then try growisofs on a DVD-R blank. ;-) -- Kevin From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Feb 1 15:36:16 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Feb 1 15:36:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [linux-audio-user] LAD site, linuxdj.com needs a new home In-Reply-To: <43E10F5A.3080608@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <43DDEA80.40907@gardena.net> <87k6chmf4u.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1138661049.18906.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1138753164.5129.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43E0E18F.8040006@gardena.net> <43E10F5A.3080608@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <20060201203616.GB9338@slinkp.com> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 08:43:22PM +0100, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote: > also, the linuxaudiodev.org domain has expired a while ago, it would be > nice if someone were to reclaim it and point it to the new location as > well. (benno, i've been trying to contact you about this for months, but > you're a little hard to reach these days.) It's not showing up as available. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From robin at rektau.ukfsn.org Wed Feb 1 15:56:46 2006 From: robin at rektau.ukfsn.org (robin) Date: Wed Feb 1 15:56:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602010855h359db828k6f92e7b9b2a892a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1b6a07c30602010855h359db828k6f92e7b9b2a892a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E1208E.8030606@rektau.ukfsn.org> Dana Olson wrote: > On 2/1/06, Ruben Lopez wrote: >> On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:27:38 -0500, Dana Olson was like: >>> On 2/1/06, robin wrote: >>> I actually use Ubuntu, I'm just trying to get it as close to DeMuDi >>> as possible. >> Just curious... why wouldn't you just use Demudi instead of Ubuntu (or do you just prefer Ubuntu)? > > DeMuDi is too far behind the times, for one. In what sense? There has always been a testing distribution, which uses latest package versions (from testing) at the time of release, as well as the stable one. I moved to Ubuntu because > I was bored of maintaining Debian Sid on my desktop. For some time Demudi has been linked against Debian testing (etch) I like the fact > that they have a really good desktop Linux out there, they give out > free pressed CDs, and they have predictable release cycles. Plus I > like Gnome. There is always a doubt with Ubuntu, not belittling their good intentions and practices to date, that their priorities may change at some future date. Demudi has never been a "desktop pc" distribution, but a specialised audio project with additional packages provided by the main Debian project as the user requires. > > Also, DeMuDi is in a bit of trouble with that sponsor pulling out, so > it doesn't seem very stable. And Free is trying to get everything into > Debian anyhow, which means it will all filter into Ubuntu down the > line. True that Firenze have withdrawn financial support which means Demudi is now a purely voluntary project but in the short period since then new contributers have come on board. Demudi is alive and well. Also Demudi has been part of Debian for some time as a custom Debian distribution. > > Although I didn't have any issue installing DeMuDi, there are some > people who use Ubuntu who couldn't get it installed. Ubuntu configures > everything for them, so they're happy and can get into Linux easily. I > want to support that, and my goals in making ubuntustudio.com are not > to undermine any of the other audio distros, but instead to provide > help for Ubuntu users. > > In short, I do just prefer Ubuntu, but Debian and DeMuDi do not feel > as cohesive and polished as Ubuntu does. > Granted that some may miss the bells and whistles but functionality has been the main priority so far. Ubuntu, correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't function as an audio workstation ootb (in the sense of integration and performance patching), judging from the few emails received from Ubuntu users wanting to use Demudi packages. > Besides that, when I tried DeMuDi, a lot of apps didn't even launch > from the menus, and the mixer for my soundcard seemed a little screwy. > By focusing on Ubuntu, I can learn a lot more about how things work, > while helping out other Ubuntu users at the same time. It almost makes > me feel like I'm contributing to the community in some small way. > User reports are an essential part of F/LOSS projects and Demudi provides a ticketing system for user reports and of course the friendly user mail list. > I have been discussing with Mark and some people from Canonical/Ubuntu > about getting Ubuntu to the point where all the manual stuff is > minimized, with a -rt kernel as an installable option, and decent > music apps added in. Dapper has almost everything missing from Breezy, > aside from apps that are not in Debian, and weren't even officially > part of DeMuDi (om, mx44, dssi, to name a few). Parts of DSSI are included with Demudi plus some more apps are available at http://willem.engen.nl/debian/ which are Demudi compatible. I think there is room for another option for musicians, don't you? The more the merrier. One particular multimedia/audio distribution is not going to suit everyone. That's down to individual tastes. robin From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Wed Feb 1 16:24:13 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Wed Feb 1 16:24:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [linux-audio-user] LAD site, linuxdj.com needs a new home In-Reply-To: <20060201203616.GB9338@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <200621132413.799147@RK-Kely> On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:36:16 -0500, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 08:43:22PM +0100, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote: > >> also, the linuxaudiodev.org domain has expired a while ago, it >> would be nice if someone were to reclaim it and point it to the >> new location as well. (benno, i've been trying to contact you >> about this for months, but you're a little hard to reach these >> days.) >> > > It's not showing up as available. Benno Senoner is listed as the owner - the name expires on 02-Jun-2006. Ruben From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Feb 1 16:52:31 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Feb 1 16:28:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] some LilyPond work In-Reply-To: <200602011455.51314.smoak@mis.net> References: <43E0BBA9.8050503@woh.rr.com> <200602011455.51314.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <43E12D9F.4010901@woh.rr.com> M P Smoak wrote: >Dave Phillips wrote: > > >> Recently I had a 2-day struggle with the flu, so I took advantage >>of the down-time and dug into LilyPond 2.6.3 (Demudi 1.3.0rc1). The >>results have been placed here: >> >> http://linux-sound.org/dlp-music-lilypond/ >> >> >> >Nice work, Dave. Like having the lp, pdf and mid files all there >together. I enjoyed all three tunes and, just for fun, used audacity >to make ogg files of each. Prelude moves a bit too quick for me to >read or play. (What is MM for it?) But I used alsaplayer to cut the >tempo in half (drops it an octave); maybe I can chase it there. > > Hi Marv ! The Prelude is fast, about mm=166. >Noticed that the mid files didn't come via LP; how did you create the >mids? Also do you have ogg files of you playing them? > > No Oggs, sorry. The MIDI files were made in Sequencer Plus Gold, I use its tempo track extensively to create performance effects. >Again thanks for tunes, the charts and the mids. > > Thanks for having a look. Btw, did you receive a message I sent to you re: your synth routing questions ? Best, dp From dana at ubuntustudio.com Wed Feb 1 16:31:05 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Wed Feb 1 16:31:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <43E1208E.8030606@rektau.ukfsn.org> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1b6a07c30602010855h359db828k6f92e7b9b2a892a6@mail.gmail.com> <43E1208E.8030606@rektau.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602011331g6bf81acdr4af8260d50269068@mail.gmail.com> On 2/1/06, robin wrote: > Dana Olson wrote: > > On 2/1/06, Ruben Lopez wrote: > >> On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:27:38 -0500, Dana Olson was like: > >>> On 2/1/06, robin wrote: > >>> I actually use Ubuntu, I'm just trying to get it as close to DeMuDi > >>> as possible. > >> Just curious... why wouldn't you just use Demudi instead of Ubuntu (or do you just prefer Ubuntu)? > > > > DeMuDi is too far behind the times, for one. > > In what sense? There has always been a testing distribution, which uses > latest package versions (from testing) at the time of release, as well > as the stable one. Okay, let me rephrase. Debian is too far behind the times. I use Gnome, and it doesn't get much closer than Ubuntu, as they release at the same time as Gnome. That was another big reason I chose Ubuntu in the first place. And as I mentioned, it just doesn't feel polished. There can be no denying that Debian takes forever to get updates for a lot of things. Just look at how long they delay Gnome and remember X.org? Yes, they have their reasons, I know that. But I don't run an alpha, sparc, arm, whatever. This is just a preference. Maybe I'm impatient. Oh well, whatever. > I moved to Ubuntu because > > I was bored of maintaining Debian Sid on my desktop. > > For some time Demudi has been linked against Debian testing (etch) > > I like the fact > > that they have a really good desktop Linux out there, they give out > > free pressed CDs, and they have predictable release cycles. Plus I > > like Gnome. > > There is always a doubt with Ubuntu, not belittling their good > intentions and practices to date, that their priorities may change at > some future date. And if that is the case, then so be it. I don't feel that way about them, but who knows. If they do turn their back, I'll suffer with Debian again until something better comes along, based on Debian. > Demudi has never been a "desktop pc" distribution, but a specialised > audio project with additional packages provided by the main Debian > project as the user requires. Right, hence why I want Ubuntu to become a better distro. There is no reason it cannot do both, just like Edubuntu, Kubuntu, and so on. > > Also, DeMuDi is in a bit of trouble with that sponsor pulling out, so > > it doesn't seem very stable. And Free is trying to get everything into > > Debian anyhow, which means it will all filter into Ubuntu down the > > line. > > True that Firenze have withdrawn financial support which means Demudi is > now a purely voluntary project but in the short period since then new > contributers have come on board. Demudi is alive and well. Also Demudi > has been part of Debian for some time as a custom Debian distribution. Well, last I heard from Free (a couple days ago), he was pretty much the only one working on DeMuDi, and he had been working on uploading his DeMuDi packages back into Debian and coordinating with the other package maintainers. If the project really was alive and well, and the future really was certain, I don't understand the moves. It doesn't make sense to me that it is just coincidental timing. Do I think DeMuDi is going away? Perhaps not, but without financial support, he can't continue going full force on DeMuDi, and it will fall even further behind, I believe. Canonical offered some limited sponsorship and resources, but I don't think any decisions were made about that. Anyhow, as stated, I ran Debian Sid, not Testing, not Stable. I could sacrifice features and advancements and use DeMuDi if I wanted to, but I choose not to, and so, I am working on making Ubuntu better for me. It's fine if you want to use DeMuDi, and it should be fine if I want to use Ubuntu. > > Although I didn't have any issue installing DeMuDi, there are some > > people who use Ubuntu who couldn't get it installed. Ubuntu configures > > everything for them, so they're happy and can get into Linux easily. I > > want to support that, and my goals in making ubuntustudio.com are not > > to undermine any of the other audio distros, but instead to provide > > help for Ubuntu users. > > > > In short, I do just prefer Ubuntu, but Debian and DeMuDi do not feel > > as cohesive and polished as Ubuntu does. > > > > Granted that some may miss the bells and whistles but functionality has > been the main priority so far. Ubuntu, correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't > function as an audio workstation ootb (in the sense of integration and > performance patching), judging from the few emails received from Ubuntu > users wanting to use Demudi packages. Not yet, but it might in the future. That is why I am in conversation with some people from Canonical to see that it happens at some point. And in the meantime, rather than Ubuntu users trying to use DeMuDi packages, they can go to UbuntuStudio.com and read the wiki, contribute, etc. Really, from what I've seen, there isn't a whole lot of difference in DeMuDi, aside from the patched kernel and perhaps some updated packages for music software. > > Besides that, when I tried DeMuDi, a lot of apps didn't even launch > > from the menus, and the mixer for my soundcard seemed a little screwy. > > By focusing on Ubuntu, I can learn a lot more about how things work, > > while helping out other Ubuntu users at the same time. It almost makes > > me feel like I'm contributing to the community in some small way. > > > > User reports are an essential part of F/LOSS projects and Demudi > provides a ticketing system for user reports and of course the friendly > user mail list. I am not a DeMuDi user, I only installed it once a few months or so ago to see what the fuss was about and how it compared to Ubuntu. And to me, it felt like a regression on the desktop, which was something I tried to get away from when I switched from Debian in the first place. > > I have been discussing with Mark and some people from Canonical/Ubuntu > > about getting Ubuntu to the point where all the manual stuff is > > minimized, with a -rt kernel as an installable option, and decent > > music apps added in. Dapper has almost everything missing from Breezy, > > aside from apps that are not in Debian, and weren't even officially > > part of DeMuDi (om, mx44, dssi, to name a few). > > Parts of DSSI are included with Demudi plus some more apps are available > at http://willem.engen.nl/debian/ which are Demudi compatible. http://demudi.agnula.org/packages/PACKAGES.LIST doesn't list any part of DSSI in it that I recognize. Maybe there's a different package list? Yes, I am aware of Willem's repository, and there's nothing stopping me or any other Ubuntu user from making a similar 3rd-party repository for Ubuntu... But my goal is to see the use of 3rd-party repositories minimized, if not eliminated, for Ubuntu in the future. >> I think there is room for another option for musicians, don't you? > > The more the merrier. One particular multimedia/audio distribution is > not going to suit everyone. That's down to individual tastes. Precisely. DeMuDi works well for people who like it, but Ubuntu currently does not. So my efforts are going towards Ubuntu for the time being. Dana From denisfalqueto at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 16:57:48 2006 From: denisfalqueto at gmail.com (Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto) Date: Wed Feb 1 16:57:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] qjackctl windows on multiple desktops In-Reply-To: <1138824937.27434.72.camel@mindpipe> References: <43E104A0.8090200@mur.at> <43E12671.9040500@herhoffer.net> <1138824937.27434.72.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: 2006/2/1, Lee Revell : > Sounds like a FLuxbox bug, it works perfectly here on Gnome 2.13.90. > Works also for KDE 3.4.1, X.org 6.8.2-r4. -- ------------------------------------------- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto ------------------------------------------- From pirrone at localnet.com Wed Feb 1 17:53:38 2006 From: pirrone at localnet.com (pirrone) Date: Wed Feb 1 17:52:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] qjackctl windows on multiple desktops In-Reply-To: <43E12671.9040500@herhoffer.net> References: <43E104A0.8090200@mur.at> <43E12671.9040500@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <43E13BF2.4000603@localnet.com> Markus Herhoffer wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello! > > I use fluxbox 0.9.14-r1 on Gentoo. Same behaviour. I already got used to > that. > > Markus > > Peter Plessas wrote: > >> Dear list, >> >> just noticed the following behavior and want to know if that is only for >> me: >> >> Using multiple desktops/workspaces and qjackctl makes the app opening >> its 'Connect' window on the desktop i started qjackctl in (after moving >> the window to another desktop). >> >> Summary: I click 'Connections' and cycle through my other desktops to >> find the window. >> >> This is on debian testing powerpc using fluxbox 0.9.14 and qjackctl >> 0.2.19a-1 >> >> regards, >> Peter >> Fluxbox on Fedora Core 3 has this behavior: Right-click on title bar and send to a different workspace then open Connect dialog and it open in the same workspace. Repeat the above but with dragging QJackCtl to a different workspace results in Connect opening on the original workspace. Frank From laulist at mondoseo.com Wed Feb 1 18:00:41 2006 From: laulist at mondoseo.com (laulist@mondoseo.com) Date: Wed Feb 1 17:59:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAD site, linuxdj.com needs a new home In-Reply-To: <20060201092040.91228.qmail@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060201092040.91228.qmail@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I wasn't thinking of redoing the site in a CMS, just reworking the HTML with some common header and footer includes and CSS. But of course, if the nature of the site were to change and it became more interactive and 'newsy' then a CMS might be appropriate. Otherwise, we might be locking up content in a database and introducing complexities (eg the need to monitor and act on security problems in Joomla) that aren't really needed? Mick On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, R Parker wrote: > If Paul has the site then it will run on Dreamhost > where Joomla can be installed. Joomla is pretty nice > and there's alot of useful modules for it. > > Ron > > --- laulist@mondoseo.com wrote: > >> >> This is an expression of interest in cleaning up the >> LAD site. I haven't >> been around this list long, but I have plenty of web >> experience. >> >> I don't know how big the site is, but is PHP an >> option (for >> header/footer includes, saves a lot of work and >> makes future maintenance >> easier). >> >> I notice the site is already gone ... what is the >> new domain/URL? >> >> Michael Hall >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- From plutek at infinity.net Wed Feb 1 18:26:25 2006 From: plutek at infinity.net (Peter Lutek) Date: Wed Feb 1 18:24:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] qjackctl windows on multiple desktops In-Reply-To: <43E13BF2.4000603@localnet.com> References: <43E104A0.8090200@mur.at> <43E12671.9040500@herhoffer.net> <43E13BF2.4000603@localnet.com> Message-ID: <43E143A1.8090902@infinity.net> pirrone wrote: > Markus Herhoffer wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hello! >> >> I use fluxbox 0.9.14-r1 on Gentoo. Same behaviour. I already got used to >> that. >> >> Markus >> >> Peter Plessas wrote: >> >> >>> Dear list, >>> >>> just noticed the following behavior and want to know if that is only >>> for >>> me: >>> >>> Using multiple desktops/workspaces and qjackctl makes the app opening >>> its 'Connect' window on the desktop i started qjackctl in (after moving >>> the window to another desktop). >>> >>> Summary: I click 'Connections' and cycle through my other desktops to >>> find the window. >>> >>> This is on debian testing powerpc using fluxbox 0.9.14 and qjackctl >>> 0.2.19a-1 >>> >>> regards, >>> Peter >>> >> > Fluxbox on Fedora Core 3 has this behavior: Right-click on title bar > and send to a different workspace then open Connect dialog and it open > in the same workspace. Repeat the above but with dragging QJackCtl to > a different workspace results in Connect opening on the original > workspace. > > Frank > ion3 on fedora core 3 opens the connect dialog in the same workspace as the main window after moving the main window. -p From rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz Wed Feb 1 18:42:13 2006 From: rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz (Rossco) Date: Wed Feb 1 18:42:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] qjackctl windows on multiple desktops In-Reply-To: <43E13BF2.4000603@localnet.com> References: <43E104A0.8090200@mur.at> <43E12671.9040500@herhoffer.net> <43E13BF2.4000603@localnet.com> Message-ID: <43E14755.7090806@slingshot.co.nz> pirrone wrote: > Markus Herhoffer wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hello! >> >> I use fluxbox 0.9.14-r1 on Gentoo. Same behaviour. I already got used to >> that. >> >> Markus >> >> Peter Plessas wrote: >> >>> Dear list, >>> >>> just noticed the following behavior and want to know if that is only >>> for >>> me: >>> >>> Using multiple desktops/workspaces and qjackctl makes the app opening >>> its 'Connect' window on the desktop i started qjackctl in (after moving >>> the window to another desktop). >>> >>> Summary: I click 'Connections' and cycle through my other desktops to >>> find the window. >>> >>> This is on debian testing powerpc using fluxbox 0.9.14 and qjackctl >>> 0.2.19a-1 >>> >>> regards, >>> Peter >>> > Fluxbox on Fedora Core 3 has this behavior: Right-click on title bar > and send to a different workspace then open Connect dialog and it open > in the same workspace. Repeat the above but with dragging QJackCtl to > a different workspace results in Connect opening on the original > workspace. > > Frank > Fluxbox 0.9.12 on PCLinuxOS also has this problem. Ross. From laulist at mondoseo.com Wed Feb 1 18:48:49 2006 From: laulist at mondoseo.com (laulist@mondoseo.com) Date: Wed Feb 1 18:47:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime preemption question Message-ID: Now this is pretty basic, but I have Googled around a bit and can't find the answer: What do I look for (in /proc/sys/kernel I assume) to tell me whether a 2.6 kernel has realtime preemption compiled in? Mick -- From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 19:08:37 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Feb 1 19:08:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime preemption question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0602011608p4499b299m7206e5be4bf2fc41@mail.gmail.com> Hi Mick, If you enabled it you can copy /proc/config.gz somewhere, gunzip it and grep for PREEMPT Cheers, Mark On 2/1/06, laulist@mondoseo.com wrote: > > Now this is pretty basic, but I have Googled around a bit and can't find > the answer: > > What do I look for (in /proc/sys/kernel I assume) to tell me whether a > 2.6 kernel has realtime preemption compiled in? > > Mick > > -- > From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Wed Feb 1 19:22:03 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Wed Feb 1 19:23:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime preemption question In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0602011608p4499b299m7206e5be4bf2fc41@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0602011608p4499b299m7206e5be4bf2fc41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1138839723.19606.1.camel@eviltwin> On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 16:08 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi Mick, > If you enabled it you can copy /proc/config.gz somewhere, gunzip it > and grep for PREEMPT > > Cheers, > Mark > > On 2/1/06, laulist@mondoseo.com wrote: > > > > Now this is pretty basic, but I have Googled around a bit and can't find > > the answer: > > > > What do I look for (in /proc/sys/kernel I assume) to tell me whether a > > 2.6 kernel has realtime preemption compiled in? > > If you're running some version of Red Hat you can look in /boot for config-whatever files and just grep -i for preempt in the one that corresponds to the kernel you're running. I don't know if this is the same on other distros. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Feb 1 19:30:02 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Feb 1 19:30:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime preemption question In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0602011608p4499b299m7206e5be4bf2fc41@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0602011608p4499b299m7206e5be4bf2fc41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1138840203.27434.126.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 16:08 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi Mick, > If you enabled it you can copy /proc/config.gz somewhere, gunzip it > and grep for PREEMPT > That's the hard way, the easy way is: zgrep PREEMPT /proc/config.gz Lee From laulist at mondoseo.com Wed Feb 1 20:15:38 2006 From: laulist at mondoseo.com (laulist@mondoseo.com) Date: Wed Feb 1 20:14:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime preemption question In-Reply-To: <1138840203.27434.126.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0602011608p4499b299m7206e5be4bf2fc41@mail.gmail.com> <1138840203.27434.126.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: OK, thats simple enough. I'm on Fedora at the moment and didn't find config.gz in /proc, but there is a config file in /boot. So on a running system, there wouldn't be a file of any kind in /proc/sys/kernel, like /proc/sys/kernel/rt_preempt for argument's sake, with a value of 1 ? Mick On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 16:08 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: >> Hi Mick, >> If you enabled it you can copy /proc/config.gz somewhere, gunzip it >> and grep for PREEMPT >> > > That's the hard way, the easy way is: > > zgrep PREEMPT /proc/config.gz > > Lee > -- From lau at therockgarden.ca Wed Feb 1 21:05:14 2006 From: lau at therockgarden.ca (Sylvain Robitaille) Date: Wed Feb 1 21:04:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime preemption question In-Reply-To: References: <5bdc1c8b0602011608p4499b299m7206e5be4bf2fc41@mail.gmail.com> <1138840203.27434.126.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, laulist@mondoseo.com wrote: > So on a running system, there wouldn't be a file of any kind in > /proc/sys/kernel, like /proc/sys/kernel/rt_preempt for argument's > sake, with a value of 1 ? /proc/sys/kernel/version on my system (Slackware-10.2, with a custom 2.6.15 kernel) contains the following, which might be helpful: #8 PREEMPT Fri Jan 13 23:44:55 EST 2006 -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl@alcor.concordia.ca Major in Electroacoustic Studies Concordia University Faculty of Fine Arts / Music Department Montreal, Quebec, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From rtp405 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 1 23:51:32 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Wed Feb 1 23:51:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAD site, linuxdj.com needs a new home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060202045132.89115.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- laulist@mondoseo.com wrote: > > > But of course, if the nature of the site were to > change and it became more > interactive and 'newsy' then a CMS might be > appropriate. I think it's a good design decision to become more "newsy" and it doesn't need to be particularly ambitious or heavy on overhead. Syndication, RSS, in Joomla is very convienant and it's an interesting mindset for the linux audio community to begin contemplating. Anyone generating and publishing linux audio related content can syndicate it. I'm thinking of documentation, song releases, etc. > Otherwise, we might be locking up content in a > database and introducing > complexities (eg the need to monitor and act on > security problems in > Joomla) that aren't really needed? I don't know what locking it up in a database means but the security is the responsibility of DreamHost. I guess that's accurate if we're using the applications they provide and I sure hope they stay ontop of the issues. Ron > Mick > > > On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, R Parker wrote: > > > If Paul has the site then it will run on Dreamhost > > where Joomla can be installed. Joomla is pretty > nice > > and there's alot of useful modules for it. > > > > Ron > > > > --- laulist@mondoseo.com wrote: > > > >> > >> This is an expression of interest in cleaning up > the > >> LAD site. I haven't > >> been around this list long, but I have plenty of > web > >> experience. > >> > >> I don't know how big the site is, but is PHP an > >> option (for > >> header/footer includes, saves a lot of work and > >> makes future maintenance > >> easier). > >> > >> I notice the site is already gone ... what is the > >> new domain/URL? > >> > >> Michael Hall > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > -- > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Feb 2 04:06:37 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Thu Feb 2 04:06:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime preemption question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060202100637.6bc751c3@mango.fruits.de> On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:18:49 +0930 (CST) laulist@mondoseo.com wrote: > > Now this is pretty basic, but I have Googled around a bit and can't find > the answer: > > What do I look for (in /proc/sys/kernel I assume) to tell me whether a > 2.6 kernel has realtime preemption compiled in? realtime preemption kernels carry the suffix "-rt" in their name. So simply check the uname -a output (Of course unless the builder removed it. But why should he?) Have fun, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From ivalladt at punkass.com Thu Feb 2 04:01:02 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Feb 2 05:34:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime preemption question In-Reply-To: <1138839723.19606.1.camel@eviltwin> References: <5bdc1c8b0602011608p4499b299m7206e5be4bf2fc41@mail.gmail.com> <1138839723.19606.1.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <20060202090102.GA9783@localhost.localdomain> Jan Depner escribe: > If you're running some version of Red Hat you can look in /boot for > config-whatever files and just grep -i for preempt in the one that > corresponds to the kernel you're running. I don't know if this is the > same on other distros. Yes it is. Moreover `uname -a' tells you if preempt is enabled: $ uname -a Linux spma33 2.6.15.2-vanilla-2 #1 PREEMPT Tue Jan 31 16:49:26 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060202/7f05d453/attachment.bin From mlang at delysid.org Thu Feb 2 05:54:21 2006 From: mlang at delysid.org (mlang) Date: Thu Feb 2 05:54:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] some LilyPond work In-Reply-To: <200602011455.51314.smoak@mis.net> (M. P. Smoak's message of "Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:55:51 -0500") References: <43E0BBA9.8050503@woh.rr.com> <200602011455.51314.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <873bj2yqsi.fsf@x2.delysid.org> M P Smoak writes: > Dave Phillips wrote: >> Greetings: >> >> Recently I had a 2-day struggle with the flu, so I took advantage >> of the down-time and dug into LilyPond 2.6.3 (Demudi 1.3.0rc1). The >> results have been placed here: >> >> http://linux-sound.org/dlp-music-lilypond/ >> > > Nice work, Dave. Like having the lp, pdf and mid files all there > together. I enjoyed all three tunes and, just for fun, used audacity > to make ogg files of each. Prelude moves a bit too quick for me to > read or play. (What is MM for it?) But I used alsaplayer to cut the > tempo in half (drops it an octave); maybe I can chase it there. Have a look at http://delysid.org/yatm.html, that can reduce/raise speed without changing the pitch. -- CYa, Mario From ivalladt at punkass.com Thu Feb 2 06:44:37 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Feb 2 06:44:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack server outputs no sound Message-ID: <20060202114437.GA6125@localhost.localdomain> I download a test WAV file testing.wav. ALSA here seems to be working nicely, as I can hear the test sound using aplay. I try to do the same using jackd. I start it as: $ jackstart -d alsa And from another shell I do and get: $ jack.play testing.wav jack.play: sample rate of file not that of server Let's assume this is correct. So I stop jackstart and run it again like this: $ jackstart -v -d alsa -r 11025 -S Then jack.play doesn't give any error but I can hear no sound. Find attached jackstart's stderr output. This computer is a Dell Latitude D610 laptop with an Intel ICH6 AC'97 audio controller running Debian sid and a 2.6.15.2 kernel with preemption enabled and the realtime module loaded. Summarizing, ALSA outputs sound, but jackd through ALSA doesn't. I got here since I noticed that fluidsynth played MIDI files using ALSA but not using jackd. Then I discarded a fluidsynth issue. Any ideas? Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ -------------- next part -------------- back from read, ret = 1 errno == Success getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/libjack0.100.0-0/jack_alsa.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/libjack0.100.0-0/jack_dummy.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/libjack0.100.0-0/jack_oss.so JACK compiled with System V SHM support. server `default' registered loading driver .. apparent rate = 11025 configuring for 11025Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods nperiods = 2 for capture nperiods = 2 for playback 5823 waiting for signals registered builtin port type 32 bit float mono audio capabilities: = cap_setpcap,cap_ipc_lock,cap_sys_nice,cap_sys_resource+eip new client: alsa_pcm, id = 1 type 1 @ 0x8058910 fd = -1 new buffer size 1024 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_1, offset = 4096 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_2, offset = 8192 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_1, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_2, offset = 0 ++ jack_rechain_graph(): client alsa_pcm: internal client, execution_order=0. -- jack_rechain_graph() load = 0.0065 max usecs: 12.000, spare = 92867.000 load = 0.0097 max usecs: 12.000, spare = 92867.000 load = 0.0092 max usecs: 8.000, spare = 92871.000 load = 0.0062 max usecs: 3.000, spare = 92876.000 load = 0.0047 max usecs: 3.000, spare = 92876.000 load = 0.0040 max usecs: 3.000, spare = 92876.000 load = 0.0047 max usecs: 5.000, spare = 92874.000 new client: jack.play-5828, id = 2 type 2 @ 0xb64e1000 fd = 10 registered port jack.play-5828:out_1, offset = 12288 ++ jack_rechain_graph(): client alsa_pcm: internal client, execution_order=0. client jack.play-5828: start_fd=5, execution_order=0. client jack.play-5828: wait_fd=7, execution_order=1 (last client). -- jack_rechain_graph() load = 0.0217 max usecs: 36.000, spare = 92843.000 load = 0.0302 max usecs: 36.000, spare = 92843.000 ++ jack_rechain_graph(): client alsa_pcm: internal client, execution_order=0. -- jack_rechain_graph() removing disconnected client jack.play-5828 state = Finished errors = 0 removing client "jack.play-5828" removing client "jack.play-5828" from the processing chain ++ jack_rechain_graph(): client alsa_pcm: internal client, execution_order=0. -- jack_rechain_graph() load = 0.0297 max usecs: 27.000, spare = 92852.000 load = 0.0294 max usecs: 27.000, spare = 92852.000 jack main caught signal 2 starting server engine shutdown stopping driver unloading driver freeing shared port segments stopping server thread last xrun delay: 0.000 usecs max delay reported by backend: 0.000 usecs freeing engine shared memory max usecs: 36.000, engine deleted no message buffer overruns cleaning up shared memory cleaning up files unregistering server `default' From plessas at mur.at Thu Feb 2 07:30:20 2006 From: plessas at mur.at (Peter Plessas) Date: Thu Feb 2 07:29:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: qjackctl windows on multiple desktops In-Reply-To: <20060202003011.763DD476D42@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060202003011.763DD476D42@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <43E1FB5C.9090303@mur.at> Thanks for the replies, will investigate with the fluxbox people then... regards,Peter From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Feb 2 09:46:55 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Feb 2 09:47:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602010855h359db828k6f92e7b9b2a892a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1b6a07c30602010855h359db828k6f92e7b9b2a892a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602021446.55598.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 01 February 2006 16:55, Dana Olson was like: > Also, DeMuDi is in a bit of trouble with that sponsor pulling out, so > it doesn't seem very stable. And Free is trying to get everything into > Debian anyhow, which means it will all filter into Ubuntu down the > line. I'd really appreciate it if people could refrain from making dumb statements like the above. I think it is untrue to say the DeMuDi is 'in trouble'. Continuing without funding makes life somewhat trickier, but it just puts DeMuDi back on to entirely volunteer effort, like most of Linux. > In short, I do just prefer Ubuntu, but Debian and DeMuDi do not feel > as cohesive and polished as Ubuntu does. My mileage may vary. > Besides that, when I tried DeMuDi, a lot of apps didn't even launch > from the menus, and the mixer for my soundcard seemed a little screwy. > By focusing on Ubuntu, I can learn a lot more about how things work, > while helping out other Ubuntu users at the same time. It almost makes > me feel like I'm contributing to the community in some small way. Yeah, thanks for all the bug reports [!]. Even vague comments like this could have been useful if presented in the right way. In this context I think you're being unfair. My experience of Ubuntu is pretty much like your experience of DeMuDi. i.e. I tried Hoary Hedgehog and found it annoying, so I haven't really bothered persevering with it. It's not worth mentioning is it? I'd rather get on with supporting other people who wish to make music using Free Software, whatever their preferred set-up. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From dana at ubuntustudio.com Thu Feb 2 09:57:48 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Thu Feb 2 09:58:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <200602021446.55598.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1b6a07c30602010855h359db828k6f92e7b9b2a892a6@mail.gmail.com> <200602021446.55598.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602020657v68a78ad1l604331d449194c77@mail.gmail.com> On 2/2/06, tim hall wrote: > On Wednesday 01 February 2006 16:55, Dana Olson was like: > > Also, DeMuDi is in a bit of trouble with that sponsor pulling out, so > > it doesn't seem very stable. And Free is trying to get everything into > > Debian anyhow, which means it will all filter into Ubuntu down the > > line. > > I'd really appreciate it if people could refrain from making dumb statements > like the above. I think it is untrue to say the DeMuDi is 'in trouble'. > Continuing without funding makes life somewhat trickier, but it just puts > DeMuDi back on to entirely volunteer effort, like most of Linux. Thanks for calling me dumb. That's very friendly. "As you mention in the email to Mark, the former sponsor of DeMuDi has stopped helping the project, whose future is bit uncertain at the moment." That is what Free himself said to me on Jan. 28, so where am I wrong here? Shut your mouth if you don't know what is going on. > > In short, I do just prefer Ubuntu, but Debian and DeMuDi do not feel > > as cohesive and polished as Ubuntu does. > > My mileage may vary. > > > Besides that, when I tried DeMuDi, a lot of apps didn't even launch > > from the menus, and the mixer for my soundcard seemed a little screwy. > > By focusing on Ubuntu, I can learn a lot more about how things work, > > while helping out other Ubuntu users at the same time. It almost makes > > me feel like I'm contributing to the community in some small way. > > Yeah, thanks for all the bug reports [!]. Even vague comments like this could > have been useful if presented in the right way. Uh huh. > In this context I think > you're being unfair. My experience of Ubuntu is pretty much like your > experience of DeMuDi. i.e. I tried Hoary Hedgehog and found it annoying, so I > haven't really bothered persevering with it. It's not worth mentioning is it? Yeah, thanks for all the bug reports [!]. Even vague comments like this could have been useful if presented in the right way. > I'd rather get on with supporting other people who wish to make music using > Free Software, whatever their preferred set-up. Uh huh. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Feb 2 10:12:49 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Feb 2 10:13:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602011331g6bf81acdr4af8260d50269068@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <43E1208E.8030606@rektau.ukfsn.org> <1b6a07c30602011331g6bf81acdr4af8260d50269068@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602021512.50462.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 01 February 2006 21:31, Dana Olson was like: > Well, last I heard from Free (a couple days ago), he was pretty much > the only one working on DeMuDi, and he had been working on uploading > his DeMuDi packages back into Debian and coordinating with the other > package maintainers. If the project really was alive and well, and the > future really was certain, I don't understand the moves. It doesn't > make sense to me that it is just coincidental timing. It has always been the intention (and practice) to cycle packages back into the main Debian repositories. Ubuntu does this too, does it not? Yes, the timing of Junichi Uekawa's support to do this was serendipitous, to say the least. Plan B for DeMuDi has always been to re-integrate into Debian if it became necessary, or in fact, ideally if multimedia packages become possible to run on a vanilla install. This latter option would count as a major success. It is largely because of the work of the DeMuDi project over the last four years that Debian is now seen as a serious platform for multimedia activities. A large amount of that credit has to go to Free, for sure. I don't see anyone bottling out, just a change in infrastructure to cope with the lack of immediate funding. DeMuDi needs a big Granny Weatherwax style sign up saying "I ATEN'T DEAD!" -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From dana at ubuntustudio.com Thu Feb 2 10:23:03 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Thu Feb 2 10:23:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <200602021512.50462.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <43E1208E.8030606@rektau.ukfsn.org> <1b6a07c30602011331g6bf81acdr4af8260d50269068@mail.gmail.com> <200602021512.50462.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602020723n2a71c972h9475f3b0543e9965@mail.gmail.com> On 2/2/06, tim hall wrote: > On Wednesday 01 February 2006 21:31, Dana Olson was like: > > Well, last I heard from Free (a couple days ago), he was pretty much > > the only one working on DeMuDi, and he had been working on uploading > > his DeMuDi packages back into Debian and coordinating with the other > > package maintainers. If the project really was alive and well, and the > > future really was certain, I don't understand the moves. It doesn't > > make sense to me that it is just coincidental timing. > > It has always been the intention (and practice) to cycle packages back into > the main Debian repositories. Ubuntu does this too, does it not? Yes, the > timing of Junichi Uekawa's support to do this was serendipitous, to say the > least. Plan B for DeMuDi has always been to re-integrate into Debian if it > became necessary, or in fact, ideally if multimedia packages become possible > to run on a vanilla install. This latter option would count as a major > success. > > It is largely because of the work of the DeMuDi project over the last four > years that Debian is now seen as a serious platform for multimedia > activities. A large amount of that credit has to go to Free, for sure. I > don't see anyone bottling out, just a change in infrastructure to cope with > the lack of immediate funding. > > DeMuDi needs a big Granny Weatherwax style sign up saying "I ATEN'T DEAD!" > -- > cheers, > > tim hall > http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim Firstly, Terry Pratchett rules. Secondly, I am aware of the volunteer status of DeMuDi. but Free has done all of DeMuDi himself to date. "Since April 2003 I've done everything by my own, with the financial support of the former sponsor. If Canonical could sponsor me or someone else to keep working part time on it, that would be great, and I think both parties would benefit this (see below)." In the end, all I meant was that one of the reasons I am not using DeMuDi is that its future is indeed uncertain. Lots of volunteer projects end up dying. SourceForge is a ghost town of could've-beens. As I said to Free, I don't want to see DeMuDi die or fall behind - hence why I contacted Canonical about sponsoring him. I respect him and his work. I just don't prefer to use it. I believe in making other distros better too. The other reasons I chose Ubuntu are all preference. BTW, Warty sucked balls. I tried it and went back to Debian. Hoary had everything I needed and more, so I stuck with it. And Breezy is even better. I am hoping Dapper shatters my expectations, considering they're pitting it against Vista and want it to be very extra polished. I guess time will tell. Peace. Dana From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Feb 2 10:35:19 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Feb 2 10:35:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1138813704.27434.5.camel@mindpipe> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1138813704.27434.5.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200602021535.20299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 01 February 2006 17:08, Lee Revell was like: > A better question would be, why is Demudi still Debian based rather than > Ubuntu based? Because DeMuDi IS Debian. If it was based on Ubuntu it would be UbMuDi, which is essentially what Dana is doing. The DeMuDi-1.2.1 live CD used the Ubuntu installer. DeMuDi also introduced Xorg in 1.2.1 using the Ubuntu packages. Positive support and mutual co-operation like this makes for good multimedia systems. We are about to start thrashing out a proper Debian multimedia policy over the next few months. Any advice, suggestions, requirements etc. from the Ubuntu camp could be extremely valuable. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From jayv at synth.net Thu Feb 2 10:39:39 2006 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Thu Feb 2 10:42:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602020723n2a71c972h9475f3b0543e9965@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <43E1208E.8030606@rektau.ukfsn.org> <1b6a07c30602011331g6bf81acdr4af8260d50269068@mail.gmail.com> <200602021512.50462.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020723n2a71c972h9475f3b0543e9965@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >BTW, Warty sucked balls. I tried it and went back to Debian. Hoary had >everything I needed and more, so I stuck with it. And Breezy is even >better. I am hoping Dapper shatters my expectations, considering >they're pitting it against Vista and want it to be very extra >polished. I guess time will tell. One word: MEPIS. -- ; Jay Vaughan From dana at ubuntustudio.com Thu Feb 2 10:51:55 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Thu Feb 2 10:52:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <200602021535.20299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1138813704.27434.5.camel@mindpipe> <200602021535.20299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602020751m545824cfo6c25e9e81cf96b01@mail.gmail.com> On 2/2/06, tim hall wrote: > On Wednesday 01 February 2006 17:08, Lee Revell was like: > > A better question would be, why is Demudi still Debian based rather than > > Ubuntu based? > > Because DeMuDi IS Debian. If it was based on Ubuntu it would be UbMuDi, which > is essentially what Dana is doing. I'm just making a wiki with howtos, at least at this point in time. I don't know how to make a real .deb package, nevermind repackage an entire distro. > The DeMuDi-1.2.1 live CD used the Ubuntu installer. > DeMuDi also introduced Xorg in 1.2.1 using the Ubuntu packages. > > Positive support and mutual co-operation like this makes for good multimedia > systems. We are about to start thrashing out a proper Debian multimedia > policy over the next few months. Any advice, suggestions, requirements etc. > from the Ubuntu camp could be extremely valuable. The only things I can think of probably have already been considered. Everywhere I read seems to indicate that while realtime-lsm is still supported in Debian, Ubuntu, and others, it is deprecated in favor of the rtlimits in the 2.6.12 and newer kernels. I currently use the set_rlimits 1.20 app to access this. So either I would recommend this be included in Debian or PAM with a proper setup. I don't know anything about PAM, but I've read that it's the ideal way, and set_rlimits is mainly for distros that won't use PAM. I don't even know if Debian uses PAM.. I don't know if Debian will allow a kernel with Ingo's -rt patch, but from my small amount of testing, it is the way to go. I'm trying to get one into Ubuntu, and so far, Mark has told me "don't worry, you'll get it." There is a lot of software that I didn't see in Debian that some other musicians would like to see as well. I believe the dssi stuff has an ITP now, so that's a good thing. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Feb 2 10:52:08 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Feb 2 10:53:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602020723n2a71c972h9475f3b0543e9965@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <200602021512.50462.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020723n2a71c972h9475f3b0543e9965@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602021552.09461.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 02 February 2006 15:23, Dana Olson was like: > On 2/2/06, tim hall wrote: > > On Wednesday 01 February 2006 21:31, Dana Olson was like: > > > Well, last I heard from Free (a couple days ago), he was pretty much > > > the only one working on DeMuDi, and he had been working on uploading > > > his DeMuDi packages back into Debian and coordinating with the other > > > package maintainers. If the project really was alive and well, and the > > > future really was certain, I don't understand the moves. It doesn't > > > make sense to me that it is just coincidental timing. > > > > It has always been the intention (and practice) to cycle packages back > > into the main Debian repositories. Ubuntu does this too, does it not? > > Yes, the timing of Junichi Uekawa's support to do this was serendipitous, > > to say the least. Plan B for DeMuDi has always been to re-integrate into > > Debian if it became necessary, or in fact, ideally if multimedia packages > > become possible to run on a vanilla install. This latter option would > > count as a major success. > > > > It is largely because of the work of the DeMuDi project over the last > > four years that Debian is now seen as a serious platform for multimedia > > activities. A large amount of that credit has to go to Free, for sure. I > > don't see anyone bottling out, just a change in infrastructure to cope > > with the lack of immediate funding. > > > > DeMuDi needs a big Granny Weatherwax style sign up saying "I ATEN'T > > DEAD!" -- > > cheers, > > > > tim hall > > http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim > > Firstly, Terry Pratchett rules. Secondly, I am aware of the volunteer > status of DeMuDi. but Free has done all of DeMuDi himself to date. > > "Since April 2003 I've done everything by my own, with the financial > support of the > former sponsor. If Canonical could sponsor me or someone else to keep > working part time on it, that would be great, and I think both parties > would benefit this (see below)." This is absolutely true. However DeMuDi began around 2001and owes a lot to the early work of people like Nicola Bernardini Marco Trevisani, Gunter Geiger, Dave Phillips, Paul Davis, Francois Dechelle, Georg Greve, Stanko Juzbasic, Giampiero Salvi, Maurizio Umberto Puxeddu, Gabriel Maldonado and Andrea Glorioso.It began as an unofficial Debian-based binary distribution of sound/music Free Software and has now attained official Custom Debian Distribution status. I like to make sure these people are remembered for their work too. There have been contributions from other developers and particularly volunteer beta-testers and front-line mailing list helpers that have helped keep AGNULA/DeMuDi busy. > In the end, all I meant was that one of the reasons I am not using > DeMuDi is that its future is indeed uncertain. Lots of volunteer > projects end up dying. SourceForge is a ghost town of could've-beens. Too many people use DeMuDi for this to happen. > As I said to Free, I don't want to see DeMuDi die or fall behind - > hence why I contacted Canonical about sponsoring him. I respect him > and his work. I just don't prefer to use it. > > I believe in making other distros better too. The other reasons I > chose Ubuntu are all preference. Understood. :) > BTW, Warty sucked balls. I tried it and went back to Debian. Hoary had > everything I needed and more, so I stuck with it. And Breezy is even > better. I am hoping Dapper shatters my expectations, considering > they're pitting it against Vista and want it to be very extra > polished. I guess time will tell. > > Peace. > Dana Peace, absolutely. I look forward to being able to provide mutual assistance in the future. Now we're getting warmer. !:D -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Feb 2 11:16:28 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Feb 2 11:16:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602020751m545824cfo6c25e9e81cf96b01@mail.gmail.com> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <200602021535.20299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020751m545824cfo6c25e9e81cf96b01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602021616.28603.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 02 February 2006 15:51, Dana Olson was like: > On 2/2/06, tim hall wrote: > > On Wednesday 01 February 2006 17:08, Lee Revell was like: > > > A better question would be, why is Demudi still Debian based rather > > > than Ubuntu based? > > > > Because DeMuDi IS Debian. If it was based on Ubuntu it would be UbMuDi, > > which is essentially what Dana is doing. > > I'm just making a wiki with howtos, at least at this point in time. I > don't know how to make a real .deb package, nevermind repackage an > entire distro. OK, I stand corrected. This is basically what I've been doing with DeMuDi. I only have half a clue about packaging myself, which I have never attempted to put into practice. > > The DeMuDi-1.2.1 live CD used the Ubuntu installer. > > DeMuDi also introduced Xorg in 1.2.1 using the Ubuntu packages. > > > > Positive support and mutual co-operation like this makes for good > > multimedia systems. We are about to start thrashing out a proper Debian > > multimedia policy over the next few months. Any advice, suggestions, > > requirements etc. from the Ubuntu camp could be extremely valuable. > > The only things I can think of probably have already been considered. > > Everywhere I read seems to indicate that while realtime-lsm is still > supported in Debian, Ubuntu, and others, it is deprecated in favor of > the rtlimits in the 2.6.12 and newer kernels. I currently use the > set_rlimits 1.20 app to access this. So either I would recommend this > be included in Debian or PAM with a proper setup. I don't know > anything about PAM, but I've read that it's the ideal way, and > set_rlimits is mainly for distros that won't use PAM. I don't even > know if Debian uses PAM.. > > I don't know if Debian will allow a kernel with Ingo's -rt patch, but > from my small amount of testing, it is the way to go. I'm trying to > get one into Ubuntu, and so far, Mark has told me "don't worry, you'll > get it." Probably worth checking this thread: http://lists.agnula.org/pipermail/users/2006-February/009956.html > There is a lot of software that I didn't see in Debian that some other > musicians would like to see as well. I believe the dssi stuff has an > ITP now, so that's a good thing. Things should start moving faster in that direction over the next few weeks, hopefully. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Feb 2 12:48:11 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Feb 2 12:48:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602020723n2a71c972h9475f3b0543e9965@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <43E1208E.8030606@rektau.ukfsn.org> <1b6a07c30602011331g6bf81acdr4af8260d50269068@mail.gmail.com> <200602021512.50462.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020723n2a71c972h9475f3b0543e9965@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1138902491.15691.34.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 10:23 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > I am hoping Dapper shatters my expectations, considering > they're pitting it against Vista and want it to be very extra > polished. I guess time will tell. If they want to pit it against Vista they'd better get off their butts and get streaming video in Firefox working. 75% of the time I just get that damn "Plugin Finder" and then when I click it of course "No suitable plugin could be found". Desktop Linux is a joke if stuff like this still won't work... Lee From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Thu Feb 2 12:51:18 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Thu Feb 2 12:51:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1138902491.15691.34.camel@mindpipe> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <43E1208E.8030606@rektau.ukfsn.org> <1b6a07c30602011331g6bf81acdr4af8260d50269068@mail.gmail.com> <200602021512.50462.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020723n2a71c972h9475f3b0543e9965@mail.gmail.com> <1138902491.15691.34.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <43E24696.2040506@chapelperilous.net> Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 10:23 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > >>I am hoping Dapper shatters my expectations, considering >>they're pitting it against Vista and want it to be very extra >>polished. I guess time will tell. > > > If they want to pit it against Vista they'd better get off their butts > and get streaming video in Firefox working. 75% of the time I just get > that damn "Plugin Finder" and then when I click it of course "No > suitable plugin could be found". > > Desktop Linux is a joke if stuff like this still won't work... mplayer-mozilla plugin seems to work for most things (even Quicktime). -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From ix at replic.net Thu Feb 2 12:57:52 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Thu Feb 2 12:58:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1138902491.15691.34.camel@mindpipe> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <43E1208E.8030606@rektau.ukfsn.org> <1b6a07c30602011331g6bf81acdr4af8260d50269068@mail.gmail.com> <200602021512.50462.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020723n2a71c972h9475f3b0543e9965@mail.gmail.com> <1138902491.15691.34.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060202175752.GI21697@replic.net> On Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 12:48:11PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 10:23 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > I am hoping Dapper shatters my expectations, considering > > they're pitting it against Vista and want it to be very extra > > polished. I guess time will tell. > > If they want to pit it against Vista they'd better get off their butts > and get streaming video in Firefox working. 75% of the time I just get > that damn "Plugin Finder" and then when I click it of course "No > suitable plugin could be found". > > Desktop Linux is a joke if stuff like this still won't work... are you just being a "troll" ? all i had to do was type: emerge mplayer-plugin win32codecs (which even works on amd64 if you have a multilib config which you have to go out of your way not to) and everything even the worst of proprietary wmv codecs play just fine in webpages... my biggest gripe with linux is at a much lower level than the desktop (where KDE and Gnome are already as good as or better than OSX/Windows): horrible driver support from ATI (VGA port gives totally distorted output, fglrx rarely compiles right and when it does is just full screen flashes of color), and impossibility of getting low latency audio working (ingo's patches crashing on boot, or randomly freezing later on) and generally brokenness relating to timer issues on turion/x2 chips which causes further problems with JACK and various io devices.. > > Lee From lau at kudla.org Thu Feb 2 13:02:02 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Feb 2 13:06:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <20060202175752.GI21697@replic.net> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <1138902491.15691.34.camel@mindpipe> <20060202175752.GI21697@replic.net> Message-ID: <200602021302.02533.lau@kudla.org> On Thu February 2 2006 12:57, cdr wrote: > > > I am hoping Dapper shatters my expectations, considering > > > they're pitting it against Vista and want it to be very > > If they want to pit it against Vista they'd better get off > > their butts and get streaming video in Firefox working. 75% > are you just being a "troll" ? all i had to do was type: > emerge mplayer-plugin win32codecs (which even works on amd64 Unless Ubuntu added portage support recently, I'm thinking you guys are talking about two different distributions. Of course mplayer-plugin works if you have all the illegally redistributed win32 codecs. I'm guessing the Ubuntu guys don't want to get sued and therefore don't include them. Rob From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Feb 2 13:11:58 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Feb 2 13:12:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <43E24696.2040506@chapelperilous.net> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <43E1208E.8030606@rektau.ukfsn.org> <1b6a07c30602011331g6bf81acdr4af8260d50269068@mail.gmail.com> <200602021512.50462.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020723n2a71c972h9475f3b0543e9965@mail.gmail.com> <1138902491.15691.34.camel@mindpipe> <43E24696.2040506@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <1138903919.15691.43.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 12:51 -0500, Brett McCoy wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 10:23 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > > >>I am hoping Dapper shatters my expectations, considering > >>they're pitting it against Vista and want it to be very extra > >>polished. I guess time will tell. > > > > > > If they want to pit it against Vista they'd better get off their butts > > and get streaming video in Firefox working. 75% of the time I just get > > that damn "Plugin Finder" and then when I click it of course "No > > suitable plugin could be found". > > > > Desktop Linux is a joke if stuff like this still won't work... > > mplayer-mozilla plugin seems to work for most things (even Quicktime). > Hmm, I used to have that, but somehow it got uninstalled. Still, this is not good - what the heck is the point of the "Plugin Finder" in firefox then, if it isn't even aware of the package manager? To install random binary codecs Windows style? I've seen it hundreds of times and never once had it do anything useful. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Feb 2 13:13:40 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Feb 2 13:13:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <20060202175752.GI21697@replic.net> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <43E1208E.8030606@rektau.ukfsn.org> <1b6a07c30602011331g6bf81acdr4af8260d50269068@mail.gmail.com> <200602021512.50462.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020723n2a71c972h9475f3b0543e9965@mail.gmail.com> <1138902491.15691.34.camel@mindpipe> <20060202175752.GI21697@replic.net> Message-ID: <1138904021.15691.45.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 17:57 +0000, cdr wrote: > my biggest gripe with linux is at a much lower level than the desktop > (where KDE and Gnome are already as good as or better than > OSX/Windows): horrible driver support from ATI (VGA port gives totally > distorted output, fglrx rarely compiles right and when it does is just > full screen flashes of color), and impossibility of getting low > latency audio working (ingo's patches crashing on boot, or randomly > freezing later on) and generally brokenness relating to timer issues > on turion/x2 chips which causes further problems with JACK and various > io devices.. These gripes are with your hardware vendors not Linux. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Feb 2 13:16:15 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Feb 2 13:16:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <20060202175752.GI21697@replic.net> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <43E1208E.8030606@rektau.ukfsn.org> <1b6a07c30602011331g6bf81acdr4af8260d50269068@mail.gmail.com> <200602021512.50462.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020723n2a71c972h9475f3b0543e9965@mail.gmail.com> <1138902491.15691.34.camel@mindpipe> <20060202175752.GI21697@replic.net> Message-ID: <1138904176.15691.47.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 17:57 +0000, cdr wrote: > are you just being a "troll" ? all i had to do was type: emerge > mplayer-plugin win32codecs (which even works on amd64 if you have a > multilib config which you have to go out of your way not to) and > everything even the worst of proprietary wmv codecs play just fine in > webpages... No it was a serious question. I upgraded Breezy to Dapper and this inexplicably stopped working. I guess that's what I get for using the development branch. Problem solved. Lee From dana at ubuntustudio.com Thu Feb 2 13:18:18 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Thu Feb 2 13:18:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1138903919.15691.43.camel@mindpipe> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <43E1208E.8030606@rektau.ukfsn.org> <1b6a07c30602011331g6bf81acdr4af8260d50269068@mail.gmail.com> <200602021512.50462.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020723n2a71c972h9475f3b0543e9965@mail.gmail.com> <1138902491.15691.34.camel@mindpipe> <43E24696.2040506@chapelperilous.net> <1138903919.15691.43.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602021018gb91a9begdb39bc88233ec615@mail.gmail.com> On 2/2/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 12:51 -0500, Brett McCoy wrote: > > Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 10:23 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > > > > >>I am hoping Dapper shatters my expectations, considering > > >>they're pitting it against Vista and want it to be very extra > > >>polished. I guess time will tell. > > > > > > > > > If they want to pit it against Vista they'd better get off their butts > > > and get streaming video in Firefox working. 75% of the time I just get > > > that damn "Plugin Finder" and then when I click it of course "No > > > suitable plugin could be found". > > > > > > Desktop Linux is a joke if stuff like this still won't work... > > > > mplayer-mozilla plugin seems to work for most things (even Quicktime). > > > > Hmm, I used to have that, but somehow it got uninstalled. > > Still, this is not good - what the heck is the point of the "Plugin > Finder" in firefox then, if it isn't even aware of the package manager? > To install random binary codecs Windows style? I've seen it hundreds of > times and never once had it do anything useful. > > Lee I am in the same boat as you, but this is a Firefox issue, not an Ubuntu/Gentoo/whatever issue. If you think about it though, it would be hard for Firefox to support all the various package managers, and further, all the various distros out there for plugin support. As Rob said, I'm sure they don't want to get sued, so they don't put the w32codecs into Ubuntu. It's unfortunate that this is the state of technology. We can only hope for a better day, where everyone uses open technologies, and then this point will be moot. Although I agree that it is a shortcoming, there is more to desktop Linux than a browser and plugins. But anyway, this is all offtopic. :) From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Feb 2 13:21:58 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Feb 2 13:22:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <20060202175752.GI21697@replic.net> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <43E1208E.8030606@rektau.ukfsn.org> <1b6a07c30602011331g6bf81acdr4af8260d50269068@mail.gmail.com> <200602021512.50462.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020723n2a71c972h9475f3b0543e9965@mail.gmail.com> <1138902491.15691.34.camel@mindpipe> <20060202175752.GI21697@replic.net> Message-ID: <1138904518.15691.50.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 17:57 +0000, cdr wrote: > and impossibility of getting low latency audio working (ingo's patches > crashing on boot, or randomly freezing later on) This is what happens when you use patches clearly labeled as EXPERIMENTAL, and try to combine them with binary only drivers. You're attempting a completely unsupported configuration, of course it does not work. Lee From lau at kudla.org Thu Feb 2 13:39:14 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Feb 2 13:46:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1138904021.15691.45.camel@mindpipe> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <20060202175752.GI21697@replic.net> <1138904021.15691.45.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200602021339.14533.lau@kudla.org> On Thu February 2 2006 13:13, Lee Revell wrote: > These gripes are with your hardware vendors not Linux. As someone who's deployed a lot of desktop Linux, I have to say that it doesn't matter who's to blame when the client's computer won't work... it comes down to "Too bad, Linux won't work on this one." Windows had a lot of the same issues with sound and video cards in the early 90's, until it reached a critical mass (of users who either didn't need those things or selected vendors whose stuff worked with it) where vendors couldn't afford to not support it. Our issues will continue till Linux does the same. We may not have the same market pressure, but we do have brilliant people writing drivers independently to pick up some of the slack, at least when the vendor isn't openly hostile to their efforts. It breaks my heart to recommend Nvidia to people who require 3D performance above the 2002 state of the art, but I'll do that till ATI gets their act together and I will recommend users not switch to Linux if they've already invested in ATI. (If they've deliberately bought a gaming video card, they're probably hardcore gamers anyway and won't be satisfied with Cedega.) And even then, when Linux achieves similar hardware compatibility to Windows, it will take a long time. A few years ago I recommended that a friend stick with Windows because he was using a bunch of Echo Audio gear and those drivers weren't available for Linux yet. Now that they are, he's wed to Cool Edit/Adobe Audition and some of the things he does with it (like Antares Autotune, available in every plugin format except VST) whose Ardour/Audacity counterparts either don't exist or don't work as well. Apart from "it's free" and "there aren't as many viruses", I don't have any carrots I can use to get him off of Windows at this point. But it seems unlikely he'll upgrade to Vista either, so we'll see what happens in a few years, I guess. I suppose by then he will have switched to some Firewire audio solution and the Linux driver support for that will be buggy and incomplete, if it exists at all. Sorry for the rant, but the blame game has always bugged me. It just doesn't matter whether the fault lies in the kernel or in the hardware or in the vendor or in the distro or in the applications.... if the user's unable to do what he needs to do using Linux, he usually goes back to Windows and tells his friends and family that Linux is no good. Rob From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Feb 2 13:59:01 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Feb 2 13:59:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <200602021339.14533.lau@kudla.org> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <20060202175752.GI21697@replic.net> <1138904021.15691.45.camel@mindpipe> <200602021339.14533.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1138906742.15691.62.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 13:39 -0500, Rob wrote: > On Thu February 2 2006 13:13, Lee Revell wrote: > > These gripes are with your hardware vendors not Linux. > > As someone who's deployed a lot of desktop Linux, I have to say > that it doesn't matter who's to blame when the client's computer > won't work... it comes down to "Too bad, Linux won't work on > this one." It sure as hell does matter, because when people complain to their distro or the kernel developers about hardware support issues, they annoy the developers and waste everyone's time, rather than complaining to the hardware vendors or VOTING WITH YOUR WALLET where it might actually do some good. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Feb 2 14:07:40 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Feb 2 14:07:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <200602021339.14533.lau@kudla.org> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <20060202175752.GI21697@replic.net> <1138904021.15691.45.camel@mindpipe> <200602021339.14533.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1138907261.15691.69.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 13:39 -0500, Rob wrote: > > It breaks my heart to recommend Nvidia to people who require 3D > performance above the 2002 state of the art, but I'll do that > till ATI gets their act together and I will recommend users not > switch to Linux if they've already invested in ATI. (If they've > deliberately bought a gaming video card, they're probably > hardcore gamers anyway and won't be satisfied with Cedega.) See, this sums up the problem right here - as long most "Linux users" pick their hardware based on Windows gaming performance first, and Linux support second, we will never be able to exert enough market pressure to get vendors to support Linux. Lee From pinojazz at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 14:29:19 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Thu Feb 2 14:29:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack server outputs no sound In-Reply-To: <20060202114437.GA6125@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060202114437.GA6125@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43E25D8F.3020006@gmail.com> Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: >I download a test WAV file testing.wav. ALSA here seems to be working >nicely, as I can hear the test sound using aplay. > >I try to do the same using jackd. I start it as: > >$ jackstart -d alsa > >And from another shell I do and get: > >$ jack.play testing.wav >jack.play: sample rate of file not that of server > >Let's assume this is correct. So I stop jackstart and run it again >like this: > >$ jackstart -v -d alsa -r 11025 -S > > Hi,have you try jackd -v -d alsa -r 11025 -S instead? >Then jack.play doesn't give any error but I can hear no sound. Find >attached jackstart's stderr output. > >This computer is a Dell Latitude D610 laptop with an Intel ICH6 AC'97 >audio controller running Debian sid and a 2.6.15.2 kernel with >preemption enabled and the realtime module loaded. Summarizing, ALSA >outputs sound, but jackd through ALSA doesn't. > >I got here since I noticed that fluidsynth played MIDI files using >ALSA but not using jackd. Then I discarded a fluidsynth issue. > >Any ideas? > >Cordially, Ismael > > Saludos --Carlos. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Feb 2 14:33:21 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Feb 2 14:34:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602020751m545824cfo6c25e9e81cf96b01@mail.gmail.com> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1138813704.27434.5.camel@mindpipe> <200602021535.20299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020751m545824cfo6c25e9e81cf96b01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1138908802.15691.80.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 10:51 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > The only things I can think of probably have already been considered. > > Everywhere I read seems to indicate that while realtime-lsm is still > supported in Debian, Ubuntu, and others, it is deprecated in favor of > the rtlimits in the 2.6.12 and newer kernels. I currently use the > set_rlimits 1.20 app to access this. So either I would recommend this > be included in Debian or PAM with a proper setup. I don't know > anything about PAM, but I've read that it's the ideal way, and > set_rlimits is mainly for distros that won't use PAM. I don't even > know if Debian uses PAM.. Yes, Debian based systems all use PAM. Hmm, have you been able to establish whether Dapper supports the new RT priority rlimit OOTB, and if not, where the problem is (glibc, PAM, bash, etc)? It definitely seems like this should just work. IMHO this is the biggest obstacle to getting low latency audio to work by default. Even with a non-rt kernel this should produce good results (5-10ms for 2.6.14+ according to my tests). Lee From dana at ubuntustudio.com Thu Feb 2 14:57:34 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Thu Feb 2 14:57:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1138908802.15691.80.camel@mindpipe> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1138813704.27434.5.camel@mindpipe> <200602021535.20299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020751m545824cfo6c25e9e81cf96b01@mail.gmail.com> <1138908802.15691.80.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602021157x69cfb83fy2460b867d4fa3749@mail.gmail.com> On 2/2/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 10:51 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > The only things I can think of probably have already been considered. > > > > Everywhere I read seems to indicate that while realtime-lsm is still > > supported in Debian, Ubuntu, and others, it is deprecated in favor of > > the rtlimits in the 2.6.12 and newer kernels. I currently use the > > set_rlimits 1.20 app to access this. So either I would recommend this > > be included in Debian or PAM with a proper setup. I don't know > > anything about PAM, but I've read that it's the ideal way, and > > set_rlimits is mainly for distros that won't use PAM. I don't even > > know if Debian uses PAM.. > > Yes, Debian based systems all use PAM. > > Hmm, have you been able to establish whether Dapper supports the new RT > priority rlimit OOTB, and if not, where the problem is (glibc, PAM, > bash, etc)? It definitely seems like this should just work. > > IMHO this is the biggest obstacle to getting low latency audio to work > by default. Even with a non-rt kernel this should produce good results > (5-10ms for 2.6.14+ according to my tests). > > Lee I haven't installed Dapper yet, but I will soon on a second hard drive. But, judging by the comments I've read elsewhere, PAM is not yet set up in Dapper for rt stuff. I thought that it required a patch and a special config? I don't know anything really about it at this point, but someone emailed me and said they knew how and would email me back with the howto, or add it to my site. I agree with you, but it is pretty easy to get the realtime-lsm module installed, or to use the set_rlimits app. But PAM is the best option from all I've read, and would make that part of the puzzle much easier. Dana From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Feb 2 15:27:50 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Feb 2 15:25:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <200602021552.09461.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <200602021512.50462.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020723n2a71c972h9475f3b0543e9965@mail.gmail.com> <200602021552.09461.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <1138912070.12765.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 15:52 +0000, tim hall wrote: > However DeMuDi began around 2001and owes a lot to the early work of people > like Nicola Bernardini Marco Trevisani, Gunter Geiger, Dave Phillips, Paul > Davis, Francois Dechelle, Georg Greve, Stanko Juzbasic, Giampiero Salvi, > Maurizio Umberto Puxeddu, Gabriel Maldonado and Andrea Glorioso.It began as as much as i would love to take credit for things i didn't do, i have to correct this list by removing my name. i have never had anything do with DeMuDi or Agnula, those other fine folks are the ones to thank. Of course, I prefer to bow down in homage to the one true god of linux audio distros, Mr. Lopez-Lezcano, who with no funding and no committees has worked at least equal wonders as the entire Agnula effort. --p From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Feb 2 15:31:22 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Feb 2 15:31:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602021157x69cfb83fy2460b867d4fa3749@mail.gmail.com> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1138813704.27434.5.camel@mindpipe> <200602021535.20299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020751m545824cfo6c25e9e81cf96b01@mail.gmail.com> <1138908802.15691.80.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021157x69cfb83fy2460b867d4fa3749@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1138912283.15691.99.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 14:57 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > I haven't installed Dapper yet, but I will soon on a second hard > drive. > > But, judging by the comments I've read elsewhere, PAM is not yet set > up in Dapper for rt stuff. I thought that it required a patch and a > special config? Well, it did originally, because the userspace rlimits should reflect what's in the kernel, and it takes time for userspace to catch up. But there's been plenty of time, this has been in the kernel since at least 2.6.13 - this should be fixed upstream by now. It seems like it should be adequate for Dapper to use the latest development versions of bash, glibc, and PAM, or else backport the patches. Either way it's been long enough - this should work OOTB on a modern system. > I don't know anything really about it at this point, > but someone emailed me and said they knew how and would email me back > with the howto, or add it to my site. > > I agree with you, but it is pretty easy to get the realtime-lsm module > installed, or to use the set_rlimits app. But PAM is the best option > from all I've read, and would make that part of the puzzle much > easier. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Feb 2 16:20:58 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Feb 2 16:21:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602021157x69cfb83fy2460b867d4fa3749@mail.gmail.com> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1138813704.27434.5.camel@mindpipe> <200602021535.20299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020751m545824cfo6c25e9e81cf96b01@mail.gmail.com> <1138908802.15691.80.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021157x69cfb83fy2460b867d4fa3749@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1138915259.15691.122.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 14:57 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > I haven't installed Dapper yet, but I will soon on a second hard drive. > > But, judging by the comments I've read elsewhere, PAM is not yet set > up in Dapper for rt stuff. I thought that it required a patch and a > special config? I don't know anything really about it at this point, > but someone emailed me and said they knew how and would email me back > with the howto, or add it to my site. > > I agree with you, but it is pretty easy to get the realtime-lsm module > installed, or to use the set_rlimits app. But PAM is the best option > from all I've read, and would make that part of the puzzle much > easier. > It was added to glibc 6 months ago, shortly after it was added to the kernel. And I have heard that the latest version of PAM supports it. http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/2005-06/msg00007.html So, unless the Ubuntu devs really drop the ball, this should be in the next release. I've asked about it on the Ubuntu lists, and am checking the Dapper sources to be sure. Lee From dana at ubuntustudio.com Thu Feb 2 17:00:59 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Thu Feb 2 17:01:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1138915259.15691.122.camel@mindpipe> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1138813704.27434.5.camel@mindpipe> <200602021535.20299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020751m545824cfo6c25e9e81cf96b01@mail.gmail.com> <1138908802.15691.80.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021157x69cfb83fy2460b867d4fa3749@mail.gmail.com> <1138915259.15691.122.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602021400y70985acfv6c995c9f8128ba35@mail.gmail.com> On 2/2/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 14:57 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > I haven't installed Dapper yet, but I will soon on a second hard drive. > > > > But, judging by the comments I've read elsewhere, PAM is not yet set > > up in Dapper for rt stuff. I thought that it required a patch and a > > special config? I don't know anything really about it at this point, > > but someone emailed me and said they knew how and would email me back > > with the howto, or add it to my site. > > > > I agree with you, but it is pretty easy to get the realtime-lsm module > > installed, or to use the set_rlimits app. But PAM is the best option > > from all I've read, and would make that part of the puzzle much > > easier. > > > > It was added to glibc 6 months ago, shortly after it was added to the > kernel. And I have heard that the latest version of PAM supports it. > > http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/2005-06/msg00007.html > > So, unless the Ubuntu devs really drop the ball, this should be in the > next release. > > I've asked about it on the Ubuntu lists, and am checking the Dapper > sources to be sure. > > Lee Okay, I wasn't sure. I knew rlimits were put into kernel 2.6.12, but I hadn't read anything about PAM. I won't be shocked if Ubuntu doesn't have it fixed if Debian doesn't though. Please let us all know what you find out. Dana From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Feb 2 17:12:23 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Feb 2 17:12:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602021400y70985acfv6c995c9f8128ba35@mail.gmail.com> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1138813704.27434.5.camel@mindpipe> <200602021535.20299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020751m545824cfo6c25e9e81cf96b01@mail.gmail.com> <1138908802.15691.80.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021157x69cfb83fy2460b867d4fa3749@mail.gmail.com> <1138915259.15691.122.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021400y70985acfv6c995c9f8128ba35@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1138918344.15691.145.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 17:00 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > Okay, I wasn't sure. I knew rlimits were put into kernel 2.6.12, but I > hadn't read anything about PAM. I won't be shocked if Ubuntu doesn't > have it fixed if Debian doesn't though. Please let us all know what > you find out. I just checked the Dapper glibc - it's not there yet. I asked about it on the ubuntu-devel list. Hopefully they'll agree that kernel support without the matching userspace support is a broken configuration... Lee From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Feb 2 17:14:14 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu Feb 2 17:14:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1138903919.15691.43.camel@mindpipe> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <43E24696.2040506@chapelperilous.net> <1138903919.15691.43.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200602021714.14645.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 02 February 2006 13:11, Lee Revell wrote: >On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 12:51 -0500, Brett McCoy wrote: >> Lee Revell wrote: >> > On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 10:23 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: >> >>I am hoping Dapper shatters my expectations, considering >> >>they're pitting it against Vista and want it to be very extra >> >>polished. I guess time will tell. >> > >> > If they want to pit it against Vista they'd better get off their >> > butts and get streaming video in Firefox working. 75% of the time >> > I just get that damn "Plugin Finder" and then when I click it of >> > course "No suitable plugin could be found". >> > >> > Desktop Linux is a joke if stuff like this still won't work... >> >> mplayer-mozilla plugin seems to work for most things (even >> Quicktime). > >Hmm, I used to have that, but somehow it got uninstalled. > It gets 'uninstalled' everytime you upgrade firefox or mozilla because the friggin installer insists on a clean tree, so it deletes the old one including all your plugins. I finally said to hell with that crap and made a seperate plugins dir adjacent the the mozilla/firefox installs, and then when each new version is installed, do an lndir from the now clean plugins dir to the seperate one thats still there. It sure saves a lot of memory searching in foggy memory and the pissin & moanin that goes with it around here. If the mozilla/firefox folks knew just how big a pita that was, they'd recommend doing something like I did. Or figger out a way to save your plugins dir. >Still, this is not good - what the heck is the point of the "Plugin >Finder" in firefox then, if it isn't even aware of the package > manager? To install random binary codecs Windows style? I've seen it > hundreds of times and never once had it do anything useful. Me neither, its usless to linux users. But, amazingly firefox did actually go get, install and rerun itself a couple of days ago for some sort of an update. In nearly 2 years of having that automatic upgrade, thats a first! > >Lee -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From dana at ubuntustudio.com Thu Feb 2 17:22:14 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Thu Feb 2 17:22:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1138918344.15691.145.camel@mindpipe> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1138813704.27434.5.camel@mindpipe> <200602021535.20299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020751m545824cfo6c25e9e81cf96b01@mail.gmail.com> <1138908802.15691.80.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021157x69cfb83fy2460b867d4fa3749@mail.gmail.com> <1138915259.15691.122.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021400y70985acfv6c995c9f8128ba35@mail.gmail.com> <1138918344.15691.145.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602021422u63146137rca13b27d97c74d5a@mail.gmail.com> On 2/2/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 17:00 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > Okay, I wasn't sure. I knew rlimits were put into kernel 2.6.12, but I > > hadn't read anything about PAM. I won't be shocked if Ubuntu doesn't > > have it fixed if Debian doesn't though. Please let us all know what > > you find out. > > I just checked the Dapper glibc - it's not there yet. I asked about it > on the ubuntu-devel list. Hopefully they'll agree that kernel support > without the matching userspace support is a broken configuration... > > Lee I hope they listen to you.. Just curious, is it in Debian's glibc? Dana From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Feb 2 17:27:22 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Feb 2 17:27:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602021422u63146137rca13b27d97c74d5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1138813704.27434.5.camel@mindpipe> <200602021535.20299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020751m545824cfo6c25e9e81cf96b01@mail.gmail.com> <1138908802.15691.80.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021157x69cfb83fy2460b867d4fa3749@mail.gmail.com> <1138915259.15691.122.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021400y70985acfv6c995c9f8128ba35@mail.gmail.com> <1138918344.15691.145.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021422u63146137rca13b27d97c74d5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1138919243.15691.159.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 17:22 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > On 2/2/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 17:00 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > > Okay, I wasn't sure. I knew rlimits were put into kernel 2.6.12, but I > > > hadn't read anything about PAM. I won't be shocked if Ubuntu doesn't > > > have it fixed if Debian doesn't though. Please let us all know what > > > you find out. > > > > I just checked the Dapper glibc - it's not there yet. I asked about it > > on the ubuntu-devel list. Hopefully they'll agree that kernel support > > without the matching userspace support is a broken configuration... > > > > Lee > > > I hope they listen to you.. > Just curious, is it in Debian's glibc? > Dana > Don't know, I have no Debian system set up - can you investigate this? My libc version is 2.3.6-0ubuntu5. Lee From laulist at mondoseo.com Thu Feb 2 18:20:11 2006 From: laulist at mondoseo.com (laulist@mondoseo.com) Date: Thu Feb 2 18:19:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <200602021446.55598.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1b6a07c30602010855h359db828k6f92e7b9b2a892a6@mail.gmail.com> <200602021446.55598.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: > I'd rather get on with supporting other people who wish to make music using > Free Software, whatever their preferred set-up. I tend to agree. Over the years I've used just about every major Linux distro out there, including RedHat, Fedora, Suse, Slackware and Ubuntu. Which distro I used at any point depended on where each distro was at at the time, what type of system I was building, who was going to use it, etc, etc. I now find 'distro wars' utterly pointless. No single distro can possibly be all things to all people, nor should it even try. Linux is Linux, whatever the flavour, and I find global understandings about Linux more useful than any one distro's take on how Linux can/should be set up. Something like DeMuDi might be useful to a Linux newbie, but personally I don't have a need for it. I'm more interested in acquiring enough understanding to make audio software run on any Linux system. My 2 cents. Mick From dana at ubuntustudio.com Thu Feb 2 20:24:18 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Thu Feb 2 20:24:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1138919243.15691.159.camel@mindpipe> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <200602021535.20299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020751m545824cfo6c25e9e81cf96b01@mail.gmail.com> <1138908802.15691.80.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021157x69cfb83fy2460b867d4fa3749@mail.gmail.com> <1138915259.15691.122.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021400y70985acfv6c995c9f8128ba35@mail.gmail.com> <1138918344.15691.145.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021422u63146137rca13b27d97c74d5a@mail.gmail.com> <1138919243.15691.159.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602021724w4179a408m968a5e20982eaea8@mail.gmail.com> On 2/2/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 17:22 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > On 2/2/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 17:00 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > > > Okay, I wasn't sure. I knew rlimits were put into kernel 2.6.12, but I > > > > hadn't read anything about PAM. I won't be shocked if Ubuntu doesn't > > > > have it fixed if Debian doesn't though. Please let us all know what > > > > you find out. > > > > > > I just checked the Dapper glibc - it's not there yet. I asked about it > > > on the ubuntu-devel list. Hopefully they'll agree that kernel support > > > without the matching userspace support is a broken configuration... > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > I hope they listen to you.. > > Just curious, is it in Debian's glibc? > > Dana > > > > Don't know, I have no Debian system set up - can you investigate this? > My libc version is 2.3.6-0ubuntu5. > > Lee > > I don't know check, exactly. Is it by version? Debian Sid appears to have libc6 (2.3.5-12) according to the package list. I'm running Breezy here, 2.3.2. Dana From lau at kudla.org Thu Feb 2 21:59:50 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Feb 2 22:05:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1138907261.15691.69.camel@mindpipe> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <200602021339.14533.lau@kudla.org> <1138907261.15691.69.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200602022159.51410.lau@kudla.org> On Thu February 2 2006 14:07, Lee Revell wrote: > See, this sums up the problem right here - as long most "Linux > users" pick their hardware based on Windows gaming performance > first, and Linux support second, we will never be able to > exert enough market pressure to get vendors to support Linux. What you're missing is that the people just now trying Linux are not "we". "We" buy our computers to run Linux. Everyone else buys their computers to "do stuff." Whichever does a better job of what they want to do, Windows or Linux or whatever, is what they're going to use. If they go to the computer store and every single laptop wireless card in the store is incompatible with Linux (something I experienced recently when trying to find an 802.11g card) "we" will stick experimental patches in our kernel and recompile it and hope for the best.... everyone else will buy the cheapest card they can get plus a copy of XP. This is especially true of hardware in categories where a lot of it doesn't work very well under Linux, like 3D gaming cards (it's pointless to say they're choosing it for "Windows gaming performance"; they're choosing it for "gaming performance" and the relative lack of games under Linux is just another factor pushing them back towards Windows) and more appropriately to this list, high-end audio hardware. I don't think it's very constructive to complain that other people want to use their computers for what you feel are the wrong things, as if they care whether Linux advances or not. Best to accept that most users are not like us, and figure out how to get Linux to do those things easier, more reliably, and more cheaply than Windows. Rob From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Feb 2 22:56:52 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Feb 2 22:56:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <200602022159.51410.lau@kudla.org> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <200602021339.14533.lau@kudla.org> <1138907261.15691.69.camel@mindpipe> <200602022159.51410.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1138939013.15691.220.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 21:59 -0500, Rob wrote: > I don't think it's very constructive to complain that other > people want to use their computers for what you feel are the > wrong things, as if they care whether Linux advances or not. > Best to accept that most users are not like us, and figure out > how to get Linux to do those things easier, more reliably, and > more cheaply than Windows. Yeah, I realize there's not much individuals can do... What will really help, is when big companies or governments that want to buy 50000 desktops choose Linux, because they are in a position to demand the vendors produce good drivers... so, write your congressman, or something. ;-) Lee From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Feb 2 23:28:09 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Feb 2 23:28:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1138912070.12765.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <200602021552.09461.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1138912070.12765.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200602030428.10382.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 02 February 2006 20:27, Paul Davis was like: > On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 15:52 +0000, tim hall wrote: > > However DeMuDi began around 2001and owes a lot to the early work of > > people like Nicola Bernardini Marco Trevisani, Gunter Geiger, Dave > > Phillips, Paul Davis, Francois Dechelle, Georg Greve, Stanko Juzbasic, > > Giampiero Salvi, Maurizio Umberto Puxeddu, Gabriel Maldonado and Andrea > > Glorioso.It began as > > as much as i would love to take credit for things i didn't do, i have to > correct this list by removing my name. i have never had anything do with > DeMuDi or Agnula, those other fine folks are the ones to thank. Thanks for the correction. Should I take it that you would prefer your name to be removed from AGNULA's official documentation then? > Of course, I prefer to bow down in homage to the one true god of linux > audio distros, Mr. Lopez-Lezcano, who with no funding and no committees > has worked at least equal wonders as the entire Agnula effort. Whilst I wouldn't necessarily award Pablo god status (or anyone else for that matter), I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment. Not only has he done all that, but he has also found time to be very supportive of A/DeMuDi too. I think we still venerate him as a saint. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Fri Feb 3 00:19:20 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Feb 3 00:19:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture v0.2.0 (Re: [ANN] jack_capture v0.0.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ CHANGES 0.1.1 -> 0.2.0: *Automatically disconnect and connect ports while program is running. Previously, the connections where only set up when the program started. *Added make install. *Various smaller changes. On Fri, 25 Nov 2005, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/ > > > > ABOUT > ----- > jack_capture is a small simple program to capture whatever > sound is going out to your speakers into a file. > > This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no > one made. So here it is. > > > > USAGE > ----- > jack_capture [-f filename] [ -b bitdepth ] [-c channels] [ -B bufsize ] > > Filename is by default auotogenerated to something like > "jack_capture_.wav" > Bitdepth is by default FLOAT. > Channels is by default 2. > Bufsize is by default 262144. > > > > > ACKNOWLEDGMENT > -------------- > Mostly based on the jackrec program in the jack distribution > made by Paul Davies and Jack O'Quin. Automatic filename generation > code taken from the timemachine program by Steve Harries. > > > > > From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Fri Feb 3 00:19:20 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Feb 3 00:50:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Jackit-devel] [ANN] jack_capture v0.2.0 (Re: [ANN] jack_capture v0.0.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ CHANGES 0.1.1 -> 0.2.0: *Automatically disconnect and connect ports while program is running. Previously, the connections where only set up when the program started. *Added make install. *Various smaller changes. On Fri, 25 Nov 2005, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/ > > > > ABOUT > ----- > jack_capture is a small simple program to capture whatever > sound is going out to your speakers into a file. > > This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no > one made. So here it is. > > > > USAGE > ----- > jack_capture [-f filename] [ -b bitdepth ] [-c channels] [ -B bufsize ] > > Filename is by default auotogenerated to something like > "jack_capture_.wav" > Bitdepth is by default FLOAT. > Channels is by default 2. > Bufsize is by default 262144. > > > > > ACKNOWLEDGMENT > -------------- > Mostly based on the jackrec program in the jack distribution > made by Paul Davies and Jack O'Quin. Automatic filename generation > code taken from the timemachine program by Steve Harries. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=103432&bid=230486&dat=121642 _______________________________________________ Jackit-devel mailing list Jackit-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jackit-devel This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. From laulist at mondoseo.com Fri Feb 3 01:25:39 2006 From: laulist at mondoseo.com (laulist@mondoseo.com) Date: Fri Feb 3 01:24:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <200602022159.51410.lau@kudla.org> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <200602021339.14533.lau@kudla.org> <1138907261.15691.69.camel@mindpipe> <200602022159.51410.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: > What you're missing is that the people just now trying Linux are > not "we". "We" buy our computers to run Linux. Everyone else > buys their computers to "do stuff." Whichever does a better job > of what they want to do, Windows or Linux or whatever, is what > they're going to use. I'm struggling with this myself at the moment. I'm a Linux user and have been for 5 years, and recently decided I want to make some videos. I am delving into Linux audio and video and finding lots of great work and interesting projects, but ... I just want to make videos, not spend a good deal of my time fiddling with Linux AS WELL AS making videos. So I'm considering MacOS X just to get the work done, hopefully I can focus primarily on the product I want to create and not the tools I use to create it. Whatever happens, I'll also continue to use Linux where I can and encourage others to do so wherever appropriate, and to learn as much as I can about audio/video on Linux. Somebody today told me about a perspective on Linux that supposedly originated with Mark Shuttleworth: There are 3 levels of Linux use - (1) basic web, email, word processing etc (2) professional activities requiring use of more specialised software and hardware (3) high-end scientific/engineering stuff In his opinion, Linux is great for levels 1 and 3, it is in level 2 that a lot of frustration is found. I think audio/video is a level 2 activity. Anyway, Mick From mestelan at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 03:12:35 2006 From: mestelan at gmail.com (Jean-Baptiste Mestelan) Date: Fri Feb 3 03:12:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <200602030428.10382.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <200602021552.09461.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1138912070.12765.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200602030428.10382.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: Fernando... Thanks, Fernando ! On 2/3/06, tim hall wrote: > Whilst I wouldn't necessarily award Pablo god status (or anyone else for that > matter), I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment. Not only has he done all > that, but he has also found time to be very supportive of A/DeMuDi too. I > think we still venerate him as a saint. ;) From ivalladt at punkass.com Fri Feb 3 04:25:13 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Fri Feb 3 04:25:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack server outputs no sound In-Reply-To: <43E25D8F.3020006@gmail.com> References: <20060202114437.GA6125@localhost.localdomain> <43E25D8F.3020006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060203092513.GA10506@localhost.localdomain> Carlos Pino escribe: > Hi,have you try jackd -v -d alsa -r 11025 -S instead? Yes. Are you suggesting an issue related to capabilities? Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060203/c6213e25/attachment.bin From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Feb 3 07:12:03 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri Feb 3 07:09:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAD site, linuxdj.com needs a new home In-Reply-To: <43E0E18F.8040006@gardena.net> References: <43DDEA80.40907@gardena.net> <87k6chmf4u.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1138661049.18906.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1138753164.5129.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43E0E18F.8040006@gardena.net> Message-ID: <1138968723.4676.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 17:27 +0100, Benno Senoner wrote: > I mailed Paul the link to fetch the whole LAD web tree and files, about > 5.7GB ( the content that was on www.linuxdj.com/audio ) > next step should be deciding wheter to put the content on a nicer > domain. ( and having linuxdj.com/audio redirect to that domain/site > so that search engine and website links get redirected to the correct > place). > > I'll wait for Paul's reply how to proceed (redirect linuxdj.com etc). download is complete. i would like to transfer the linuxaudiodev domain that benno currently has locked (and is inactive) and use it for this purpose. once that is done, we can have the site up again in a few hours. --p From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Fri Feb 3 07:11:30 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Fri Feb 3 07:12:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] dssi: 2 questions Message-ID: <43E34872.7070206@rumoridifondo.com> hi folks, i've installed rosegarden on my mandriva 2006. then i've download dssi from "thac's rpm" (www.mde.djura.org/index2006.0.html). in particular i've installed these files: dssi-0.9.1-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm dssi-vst-0.3.1-10.mdk2006.0.mde.i586.rpm libdssi0-0.9.1-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm libdssi-vst0-0.3.1-10.mdk2006.0.mde.i586.rpm libfluidsynth-dssi0-0.9.1-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm liblo0-0.22-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm after the installation process ended, i've read the file "/usr/share/doc/dssi-0.9.1/README". i've run first jack and then "less_trivial_synth", "trivial_sampler" and "jack-dssi-host less_trivial_synth.so". my dssi-path was set by default and so all these plugins started (i saw this by looking on jack connections) and i managed also to play "less_trivial_synth" by my m-audio keystation. i've managed also to rec and play with rosegarden. the problem is that in all the cases, the gui of these soft-synth doesn't appear! how can i solve the problem? thank you bye emanuele ps. sorry if my english isn't very good..... From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Feb 3 08:05:54 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Feb 3 08:06:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <200602030428.10382.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <200602031305.56627.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 03 February 2006 08:12, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan was like: > Fernando... > > Thanks, Fernando ! Meh. I really should not answer emails after I've been out gigging. Who the hell was I confusing him with? St. Fernando, of course. Thanks. /me takes myself off and gives self a good talking to. > On 2/3/06, tim hall wrote: > > Whilst I wouldn't necessarily award Pablo god status (or anyone else for > > that matter), I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment. Not only has he > > done all that, but he has also found time to be very supportive of > > A/DeMuDi too. I think we still venerate him as a saint. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From timg at expressmart.com Fri Feb 3 08:47:08 2006 From: timg at expressmart.com (timg) Date: Fri Feb 3 08:43:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] dssi: 2 questions In-Reply-To: <43E34872.7070206@rumoridifondo.com> References: <43E34872.7070206@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: <43E35EDC.1050807@expressmart.com> Your english is much better than my french or spanish ;) emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote: > hi folks, > i've installed rosegarden on my mandriva 2006. then i've download dssi > from "thac's rpm" (www.mde.djura.org/index2006.0.html). in particular > i've installed these files: > > dssi-0.9.1-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm > dssi-vst-0.3.1-10.mdk2006.0.mde.i586.rpm > libdssi0-0.9.1-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm > libdssi-vst0-0.3.1-10.mdk2006.0.mde.i586.rpm > libfluidsynth-dssi0-0.9.1-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm > liblo0-0.22-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm > > after the installation process ended, i've read the file > "/usr/share/doc/dssi-0.9.1/README". > i've run first jack and then "less_trivial_synth", "trivial_sampler" > and "jack-dssi-host less_trivial_synth.so". > my dssi-path was set by default and so all these plugins started (i > saw this by looking on jack connections) and i managed also to play > "less_trivial_synth" by my m-audio keystation. i've managed also to > rec and play with rosegarden. > > the problem is that in all the cases, the gui of these soft-synth > doesn't appear! > > how can i solve the problem? > > thank you > bye > emanuele > > ps. sorry if my english isn't very good..... -- Timothy Alan Gorman Petr-all Petroleum 6567 Kinne rd Dewitt ny 13214 Cell 315 415 8108 Office 315 446 0125 x 126 From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 08:59:02 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Feb 3 08:59:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi: 2 questions In-Reply-To: <43E35EDC.1050807@expressmart.com> References: <43E34872.7070206@rumoridifondo.com> <43E35EDC.1050807@expressmart.com> Message-ID: On 2/4/06, timg wrote: > Your english is much better than my french or spanish ;) > > > emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote: > > > hi folks, > > i've installed rosegarden on my mandriva 2006. then i've download dssi > > from "thac's rpm" (www.mde.djura.org/index2006.0.html). in particular > > i've installed these files: > > > > dssi-0.9.1-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm > > dssi-vst-0.3.1-10.mdk2006.0.mde.i586.rpm > > libdssi0-0.9.1-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm > > libdssi-vst0-0.3.1-10.mdk2006.0.mde.i586.rpm > > libfluidsynth-dssi0-0.9.1-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm > > liblo0-0.22-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm > > > > after the installation process ended, i've read the file > > "/usr/share/doc/dssi-0.9.1/README". > > i've run first jack and then "less_trivial_synth", "trivial_sampler" > > and "jack-dssi-host less_trivial_synth.so". > > my dssi-path was set by default and so all these plugins started (i > > saw this by looking on jack connections) and i managed also to play > > "less_trivial_synth" by my m-audio keystation. i've managed also to > > rec and play with rosegarden. > > > > the problem is that in all the cases, the gui of these soft-synth > > doesn't appear! > > > > how can i solve the problem? > > > > thank you > > bye > > emanuele > > > > ps. sorry if my english isn't very good..... > > > > -- > Timothy Alan Gorman > Petr-all Petroleum > 6567 Kinne rd Dewitt ny 13214 > Cell 315 415 8108 > Office 315 446 0125 x 126 > > I had the same problem and have fixed it, same distro, etc. Are you using 64 bit? not sure if it was 64 bit specific, but i got new liblo 0.23 and everything worked fine. I can't remember if there was anything else i did, but i can tell you in more detail if required. Loki From S.W.Harris at ecs.soton.ac.uk Fri Feb 3 09:08:06 2006 From: S.W.Harris at ecs.soton.ac.uk (Steve Harris) Date: Fri Feb 3 09:08:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi: 2 questions In-Reply-To: References: <43E34872.7070206@rumoridifondo.com> <43E35EDC.1050807@expressmart.com> Message-ID: <20060203140806.GA9561@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> On Sat, Feb 04, 2006 at 12:59:02 +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > I had the same problem and have fixed it, same distro, etc. Are you > using 64 bit? not sure if it was 64 bit specific, but i got new liblo > 0.23 and everything worked fine. I can't remember if there was > anything else i did, but i can tell you in more detail if required. The new liblo disables ipv6 by default, which was causing problems for some people. - Steve From pinojazz at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 20:12:47 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Fri Feb 3 10:10:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack server outputs no sound In-Reply-To: <20060203092513.GA10506@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060202114437.GA6125@localhost.localdomain> <43E25D8F.3020006@gmail.com> <20060203092513.GA10506@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43E2AE0F.4010202@gmail.com> Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: >Carlos Pino escribe: > > >>Hi,have you try jackd -v -d alsa -r 11025 -S instead? >> >> > >Yes. > Does it works? > Are you suggesting an issue related to capabilities? > > > I have no idea about many things related to kernel and capabilities,but sometime ago I read at this list ( or any other) that jackstart works only for 2.4 series and jackd must be used for 2.6. Feel free to correct me If I'm wrong. >Cordially, Ismael > > Saludos. --Carlos. From mrocamora at adinet.com.uy Fri Feb 3 10:30:49 2006 From: mrocamora at adinet.com.uy (mrocamora@adinet.com.uy) Date: Fri Feb 3 10:30:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Music information retrieval Message-ID: <12040740.1138980649223.JavaMail.tomcat@fe-ps02> Hi! Those interested in music information retrieval may find this interesting: http://iie.fing.edu. uy/investigacion/grupos/gmm/proyectos/tararira/ingles.php3 It's a query by humming system. Bye. From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Fri Feb 3 10:40:21 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Fri Feb 3 10:41:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi: 2 questions In-Reply-To: <20060203135918.0FD2D4B2B66@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060203135918.0FD2D4B2B66@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <43E37965.4010602@rumoridifondo.com> i use the 32bit version of mandriva. where did you download liblo 0.23? is there an rpm? i took a look at mandriva cooker too, but there the only version of liblo is 0.18.... emanuele >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Oggetto: >> [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi: 2 questions >> Da: >> Loki Davison >> Data: >> Sat, 4 Feb 2006 00:59:02 +1100 >> A: >> A list for linux audio users >> >> A: >> A list for linux audio users >> >> >>On 2/4/06, timg wrote: >> >> >>>Your english is much better than my french or spanish ;) >>> >>> >>>emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>hi folks, >>>>i've installed rosegarden on my mandriva 2006. then i've download dssi >>>>from "thac's rpm" (www.mde.djura.org/index2006.0.html). in particular >>>>i've installed these files: >>>> >>>>dssi-0.9.1-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm >>>>dssi-vst-0.3.1-10.mdk2006.0.mde.i586.rpm >>>>libdssi0-0.9.1-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm >>>>libdssi-vst0-0.3.1-10.mdk2006.0.mde.i586.rpm >>>>libfluidsynth-dssi0-0.9.1-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm >>>>liblo0-0.22-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm >>>> >>>>after the installation process ended, i've read the file >>>>"/usr/share/doc/dssi-0.9.1/README". >>>>i've run first jack and then "less_trivial_synth", "trivial_sampler" >>>>and "jack-dssi-host less_trivial_synth.so". >>>>my dssi-path was set by default and so all these plugins started (i >>>>saw this by looking on jack connections) and i managed also to play >>>>"less_trivial_synth" by my m-audio keystation. i've managed also to >>>>rec and play with rosegarden. >>>> >>>>the problem is that in all the cases, the gui of these soft-synth >>>>doesn't appear! >>>> >>>>how can i solve the problem? >>>> >>>>thank you >>>>bye >>>>emanuele >>>> >>>>ps. sorry if my english isn't very good..... >>>> >>>> >>> >>>-- >>>Timothy Alan Gorman >>>Petr-all Petroleum >>>6567 Kinne rd Dewitt ny 13214 >>>Cell 315 415 8108 >>>Office 315 446 0125 x 126 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>I had the same problem and have fixed it, same distro, etc. Are you >>using 64 bit? not sure if it was 64 bit specific, but i got new liblo >>0.23 and everything worked fine. I can't remember if there was >>anything else i did, but i can tell you in more detail if required. >> >>Loki >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>linux-audio-user mailing list >>linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu >>http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> >> From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Fri Feb 3 13:31:40 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Fri Feb 3 13:31:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1138912070.12765.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <200602021512.50462.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020723n2a71c972h9475f3b0543e9965@mail.gmail.com> <200602021552.09461.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1138912070.12765.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1138991500.13759.7.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 15:27 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 15:52 +0000, tim hall wrote: > > However DeMuDi began around 2001and owes a lot to the early work of people > > like Nicola Bernardini Marco Trevisani, Gunter Geiger, Dave Phillips, Paul > > Davis, Francois Dechelle, Georg Greve, Stanko Juzbasic, Giampiero Salvi, > > Maurizio Umberto Puxeddu, Gabriel Maldonado and Andrea Glorioso.It began as > > as much as i would love to take credit for things i didn't do, i have to > correct this list by removing my name. i have never had anything do with > DeMuDi or Agnula, those other fine folks are the ones to thank. > > Of course, I prefer to bow down in homage to the one true god of linux > audio distros, Mr. Lopez-Lezcano, who with no funding and no committees > has worked at least equal wonders as the entire Agnula effort. Oh man... quite exagerated... Anyway, thanks but, there _is_ funding. CCRMA's and specially Chris Chafe's (CCRMA's director) continued and unwavering support have made Planet CCRMA possible, without them it would not exist as a community service. -- Fernando From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Feb 3 13:36:24 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Feb 3 13:36:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Jackit-devel] [ANN] jack_capture v0.2.0 (Re: [ANN] jack_capture v0.0.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E3A2A8.7050908@poeticstudios.com> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ > > > CHANGES > 0.1.1 -> 0.2.0: > *Automatically disconnect and connect ports while program is running. > Previously, the > connections where only set up when the program started. > *Added make install. > *Various smaller changes. > > > > On Fri, 25 Nov 2005, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > >> >> http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/ >> >> >> >> ABOUT >> ----- >> jack_capture is a small simple program to capture whatever >> sound is going out to your speakers into a file. >> >> This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no >> one made. So here it is. >> >> >> >> USAGE >> ----- >> jack_capture [-f filename] [ -b bitdepth ] [-c channels] [ -B bufsize ] >> >> Filename is by default auotogenerated to something like >> "jack_capture_.wav" >> Bitdepth is by default FLOAT. >> Channels is by default 2. >> Bufsize is by default 262144. >> >> >> >> >> ACKNOWLEDGMENT >> -------------- >> Mostly based on the jackrec program in the jack distribution >> made by Paul Davies and Jack O'Quin. Automatic filename generation >> code taken from the timemachine program by Steve Harries. >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log > files > for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes > searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=103432&bid=230486&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Jackit-devel mailing list > Jackit-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jackit-devel > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. This message contains confidential information and > is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named > addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. > > line 371: char *optstring = "d:c:b:B:h"; 'd' should have been 'f'. Sorry, I already found this when got v0.1.1 and forgot to write you. :-) c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From tito at rumford.de Fri Feb 3 14:08:25 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Fri Feb 3 14:09:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Music information retrieval In-Reply-To: <12040740.1138980649223.JavaMail.tomcat@fe-ps02> References: <12040740.1138980649223.JavaMail.tomcat@fe-ps02> Message-ID: <200602032008.25460.tito@rumford.de> "mrocamora@adinet.com.uy" : > Hi! Those interested in music information retrieval may > find this interesting: > http://iie.fing.edu. > uy/investigacion/grupos/gmm/proyectos/tararira/ingles.php3 > It's a query by humming system. I'd be interested but the page doesn't seem to exist ..? Is it a up/same/down system? -- Wolfgang From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Fri Feb 3 14:15:42 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Fri Feb 3 14:15:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <200602030428.10382.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <1b6a07c30602010527u1c0fd13cue1da6c1d5a27a69d@mail.gmail.com> <200602021552.09461.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1138912070.12765.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200602030428.10382.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <1138994142.13759.15.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 04:28 +0000, tim hall wrote: > On Thursday 02 February 2006 20:27, Paul Davis was like: > > On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 15:52 +0000, tim hall wrote: > > > However DeMuDi began around 2001and owes a lot to the early work of > > > people like Nicola Bernardini Marco Trevisani, Gunter Geiger, Dave > > > Phillips, Paul Davis, Francois Dechelle, Georg Greve, Stanko Juzbasic, > > > Giampiero Salvi, Maurizio Umberto Puxeddu, Gabriel Maldonado and Andrea > > > Glorioso.It began as > >[MUNCH] > > > Of course, I prefer to bow down in homage to the one true god of linux > > audio distros, Mr. Lopez-Lezcano, who with no funding and no committees > > has worked at least equal wonders as the entire Agnula effort. > > Whilst I wouldn't necessarily award Pablo god status (or anyone else for that > matter), I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment. Not only has he done all > that, but he has also found time to be very supportive of A/DeMuDi too. I > think we still venerate him as a saint. ;) Sigh... don't do this, it will be very very messy when my ego explodes. If I actually were at that level of exalted status I would probably still be staring at a nice (bigger) flat panel monitor, but with the "contacts" I'd have I think the background would likely be quite different (think nice balmy weather, surf breaking nearby, palm trees, white sand, etc, etc). :-p -- Fernando From robin at rektau.ukfsn.org Fri Feb 3 14:24:13 2006 From: robin at rektau.ukfsn.org (robin) Date: Fri Feb 3 14:24:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Music information retrieval In-Reply-To: <200602032008.25460.tito@rumford.de> References: <12040740.1138980649223.JavaMail.tomcat@fe-ps02> <200602032008.25460.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <43E3ADDD.9010605@rektau.ukfsn.org> Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > "mrocamora@adinet.com.uy" : >> Hi! Those interested in music information retrieval may >> find this interesting: >> http://iie.fing.edu. >> uy/investigacion/grupos/gmm/proyectos/tararira/ingles.php3 >> It's a query by humming system. > > I'd be interested but the page doesn't seem to exist ..? > Is it a up/same/down system? > http://iie.fing.edu.uy/investigacion/grupos/gmm/proyectos/tararira/ingles.php3 From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Feb 3 16:13:38 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Feb 3 16:13:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602021724w4179a408m968a5e20982eaea8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <200602021535.20299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1b6a07c30602020751m545824cfo6c25e9e81cf96b01@mail.gmail.com> <1138908802.15691.80.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021157x69cfb83fy2460b867d4fa3749@mail.gmail.com> <1138915259.15691.122.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021400y70985acfv6c995c9f8128ba35@mail.gmail.com> <1138918344.15691.145.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021422u63146137rca13b27d97c74d5a@mail.gmail.com> <1138919243.15691.159.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021724w4179a408m968a5e20982eaea8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1139001218.554.34.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 20:24 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > I don't know check, exactly. Is it by version? Debian Sid appears to > have libc6 (2.3.5-12) according to the package list. I'm running > Breezy here, 2.3.2. > Dana > OK here is my message to the Ubuntu developers and their response. Briefly, if we can submit the needed patches by the 26th, then Dapper will support the new rlimits. On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 04:48:20PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > The new RLIMIT_RTPRIO was introduced in kernel 2.6.12 to selectively > allow non-root processes to run tasks with realtime priority. This is > essential if we ever want reliable multimedia performance without > forcing users to run as root. > > Supporting this new rlimit requires some changes to glibc, bash, and > PAM. It was added to glibc 6 months ago: > > http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/2005-06/msg00005.html > > Presumably Dapper will ship with a post 2.6.12 kernel - so will Dapper > ship with full userspace support for this new rlimit? > > I checked the current glibc sources and these new RLIMITs are not yet > supported... Dapper feature freeze begins 2006-02-23. If you submit the appropriate non-invasive patches in time for them to be merged before that date, I see no reason not to include them. However, as yet, there is no motive to push ahead of our upstreams on this point except for your request. -- - mdz From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Feb 3 16:30:31 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Feb 3 16:21:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] It's music time again Message-ID: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> Me again. I've been very busy, so I haven't been responding to much on the list. I have made time to listen to the great stuff people have been doing, though. So, to all the people who've posted recently: well done! Do more! I really liked the [intro/bass/chorus] (delete as applicable). And now, here's my latest contribution: http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/02/music.html James -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From hanaghan at starband.net Fri Feb 3 16:46:55 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Fri Feb 3 16:43:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] It's music time again In-Reply-To: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <43E3CF4F.9050003@starband.net> james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: >Me again. > >I've been very busy, so I haven't been responding to much on the >list. > >I have made time to listen to the great stuff people have been >doing, though. So, to all the people who've posted recently: well >done! Do more! I really liked the [intro/bass/chorus] (delete as applicable). > >And now, here's my latest contribution: >http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/02/music.html > >James > > > I kinda like that! Nice airy feel with the melody instruments / reverb. Personally, I'd have liked to hear the drums not quite so much up front...that is to say, set back in the mix a little with some reverb also. And being primarily a guitar player, I'd luv to hear some power chords and a smooth overdriven lead not up front in your face but complimenting my percetion of the "airy" feel I mentioned. Fiarly complex drum pattern...was it in Hydrogen or external hardware? HOw did you record it and what apps did you use? Nice work! Thanks R~ From dana at ubuntustudio.com Fri Feb 3 17:01:57 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Fri Feb 3 17:02:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1139001218.554.34.camel@mindpipe> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1138908802.15691.80.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021157x69cfb83fy2460b867d4fa3749@mail.gmail.com> <1138915259.15691.122.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021400y70985acfv6c995c9f8128ba35@mail.gmail.com> <1138918344.15691.145.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021422u63146137rca13b27d97c74d5a@mail.gmail.com> <1138919243.15691.159.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021724w4179a408m968a5e20982eaea8@mail.gmail.com> <1139001218.554.34.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602031401o4ec2ff24x3901652a81245997@mail.gmail.com> On 2/3/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 20:24 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > I don't know check, exactly. Is it by version? Debian Sid appears to > > have libc6 (2.3.5-12) according to the package list. I'm running > > Breezy here, 2.3.2. > > Dana > > > > OK here is my message to the Ubuntu developers and their response. > Briefly, if we can submit the needed patches by the 26th, then Dapper > will support the new rlimits. This is certainly beyond the scope of my current knowledge. I would like to help, but I don't think I can research and learn that all before the deadline. Do you know anyone who would help out with this? Also, I would like to forward that on to Mark and see what he says. The motivation is the entire musician community who wants to not leave Ubuntu... It's not just a request from you, but really a request made on behalf of all potential Ubuntu musicians. Dana > On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 04:48:20PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > The new RLIMIT_RTPRIO was introduced in kernel 2.6.12 to selectively > > allow non-root processes to run tasks with realtime priority. This is > > essential if we ever want reliable multimedia performance without > > forcing users to run as root. > > > > Supporting this new rlimit requires some changes to glibc, bash, and > > PAM. It was added to glibc 6 months ago: > > > > http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/2005-06/msg00005.html > > > > Presumably Dapper will ship with a post 2.6.12 kernel - so will Dapper > > ship with full userspace support for this new rlimit? > > > > I checked the current glibc sources and these new RLIMITs are not yet > > supported... > > Dapper feature freeze begins 2006-02-23. If you submit the appropriate > non-invasive patches in time for them to be merged before that date, I > see no reason not to include them. However, as yet, there is no motive > to push ahead of our upstreams on this point except for your request. > > -- > - mdz > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Feb 3 17:08:59 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Feb 3 17:09:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602031401o4ec2ff24x3901652a81245997@mail.gmail.com> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1138908802.15691.80.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021157x69cfb83fy2460b867d4fa3749@mail.gmail.com> <1138915259.15691.122.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021400y70985acfv6c995c9f8128ba35@mail.gmail.com> <1138918344.15691.145.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021422u63146137rca13b27d97c74d5a@mail.gmail.com> <1138919243.15691.159.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021724w4179a408m968a5e20982eaea8@mail.gmail.com> <1139001218.554.34.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602031401o4ec2ff24x3901652a81245997@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1139004540.554.49.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 17:01 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > This is certainly beyond the scope of my current knowledge. I would > like to help, but I don't think I can research and learn that all > before the deadline. Do you know anyone who would help out with this? > In theory it should be easy - bash, PAM, and glibc all support the new rlimits in their development versions, I just have to backport the patches to whatever is in Dapper right now... we'll see how hard that is. The bash maintainers have been helpful, and hopefully that glibc patch still applies... Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Feb 3 17:19:03 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Feb 3 17:19:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1139004540.554.49.camel@mindpipe> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1138908802.15691.80.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021157x69cfb83fy2460b867d4fa3749@mail.gmail.com> <1138915259.15691.122.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021400y70985acfv6c995c9f8128ba35@mail.gmail.com> <1138918344.15691.145.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021422u63146137rca13b27d97c74d5a@mail.gmail.com> <1138919243.15691.159.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021724w4179a408m968a5e20982eaea8@mail.gmail.com> <1139001218.554.34.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602031401o4ec2ff24x3901652a81245997@mail.gmail.com> <1139004540.554.49.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1139005144.554.54.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 17:08 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 17:01 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > This is certainly beyond the scope of my current knowledge. I would > > like to help, but I don't think I can research and learn that all > > before the deadline. Do you know anyone who would help out with this? > > > > In theory it should be easy - bash, PAM, and glibc all support the new > rlimits in their development versions, I just have to backport the > patches to whatever is in Dapper right now... we'll see how hard that > is. The bash maintainers have been helpful, and hopefully that glibc > patch still applies... Can someone point me to the patch against PAM 0.79, I remember it was posted here a while back... Lee From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Feb 3 18:25:55 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Feb 3 18:17:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] It's music time again In-Reply-To: <43E3CF4F.9050003@starband.net> References: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> <43E3CF4F.9050003@starband.net> Message-ID: <20060203232555.GA8085@phlunky.Belkin> On Fri, 03 Feb, 2006 at 01:46PM -0800, Russell Hanaghan spake thus: > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > >Me again. > > > >I've been very busy, so I haven't been responding to much on the > >list. > > > >I have made time to listen to the great stuff people have been > >doing, though. So, to all the people who've posted recently: well > >done! Do more! I really liked the [intro/bass/chorus] (delete as > >applicable). > > > >And now, here's my latest contribution: > >http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/02/music.html > > > >James > > > > > > > I kinda like that! Nice airy feel with the melody instruments / reverb. > Personally, I'd have liked to hear the drums not quite so much up > front...that is to say, set back in the mix a little with some reverb > also. You're probably right, but I love beat and bass led music. > And being primarily a guitar player, I'd luv to hear some power > chords and a smooth overdriven lead not up front in your face but > complimenting my percetion of the "airy" feel I mentioned. Feel free to add something. Not being much of a guitarist (and not having much of a guitar), I don't have the skills or equipment to do much with guitars. I love the sounds, but can't achieve them. In fact, if you ever feel like creating a few sample packs (individual chords and notes with a particular feel), I, and probably a lot of other people, would be very grateful. > Fiarly complex drum pattern...was it in Hydrogen or external hardware? > HOw did you record it and what apps did you use? It's all done in CheeseTracker. > Nice work! Thankyou > Thanks > R~ > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Fri Feb 3 18:51:03 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Feb 3 18:51:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture v0.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cesare Marilungo wrote: > line 371: > char *optstring = "d:c:b:B:h"; > > 'd' should have been 'f'. Sorry, I already found this when got v0.1.1 > and forgot to write you. :-) Thanks! New version is up at http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ 0.2.0 -> 0.2.1: * Removed optional -f argument (that didn't work anyway) for setting the filename. Usage for program is now: "jack_capture [ -b bitdepth ] [-c channels] [ -B bufsize ] [filename]" Thanks to Cesare Marilungo for pointing out the bug. * Sound filename is also printed to the screen. From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 18:57:36 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Feb 3 18:57:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi: 2 questions In-Reply-To: <43E37965.4010602@rumoridifondo.com> References: <20060203135918.0FD2D4B2B66@music.columbia.edu> <43E37965.4010602@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: On 2/4/06, emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote: > i use the 32bit version of mandriva. > > where did you download liblo 0.23? is there an rpm? i took a look at > mandriva cooker too, but there the only version of liblo is 0.18.... > > > emanuele > I built it from source. Though thac might get round to it soon anyway. Building from source is easy. If you want to make an rpm out of it just grab the spec file and change the references to 0.22 to 0.23 and then use rpmbuild. It's quite easy, then the package manager can take care of it. Otherwise you can just use --prefix=/usr to configure though some people here dislike that option. Loki From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 19:00:01 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Feb 3 19:00:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] It's music time again In-Reply-To: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0602031600v269e658tc71afe13605b0e3d@mail.gmail.com> On 2/3/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > Me again. > > I've been very busy, so I haven't been responding to much on the > list. > > I have made time to listen to the great stuff people have been > doing, though. So, to all the people who've posted recently: well > done! Do more! I really liked the [intro/bass/chorus] (delete as applicable). > > And now, here's my latest contribution: > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/02/music.html > > James > Thanks James. I enjoyed it. Cheers, Mark From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Fri Feb 3 18:51:03 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Feb 3 19:20:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Jackit-devel] [ANN] jack_capture v0.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cesare Marilungo wrote: > line 371: > char *optstring = "d:c:b:B:h"; > > 'd' should have been 'f'. Sorry, I already found this when got v0.1.1 > and forgot to write you. :-) Thanks! New version is up at http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ 0.2.0 -> 0.2.1: * Removed optional -f argument (that didn't work anyway) for setting the filename. Usage for program is now: "jack_capture [ -b bitdepth ] [-c channels] [ -B bufsize ] [filename]" Thanks to Cesare Marilungo for pointing out the bug. * Sound filename is also printed to the screen. ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. 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From sbenno at gardena.net Fri Feb 3 19:22:11 2006 From: sbenno at gardena.net (Benno Senoner) Date: Fri Feb 3 19:25:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAD site, linuxdj.com needs a new home In-Reply-To: <1138968723.4676.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43DDEA80.40907@gardena.net> <87k6chmf4u.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1138661049.18906.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1138753164.5129.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43E0E18F.8040006@gardena.net> <1138968723.4676.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43E3F3B3.4040603@gardena.net> Ok, I checked the linuxaudiodev.org domain (I registered it throug www.enameco.com ) it's expired but it's locked for 60 days. (I can renew it within that timeframe, at least the control panel says so). I don't know what's the procedure to transfer the domain to other persons. Should I renew it for another year to possibly avoid long delays ? let me know how to proceed. cheers, Benno Paul Davis wrote: >On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 17:27 +0100, Benno Senoner wrote: > > >>I mailed Paul the link to fetch the whole LAD web tree and files, about >>5.7GB ( the content that was on www.linuxdj.com/audio ) >>next step should be deciding wheter to put the content on a nicer >>domain. ( and having linuxdj.com/audio redirect to that domain/site >>so that search engine and website links get redirected to the correct >>place). >> >>I'll wait for Paul's reply how to proceed (redirect linuxdj.com etc). >> >> > >download is complete. i would like to transfer the linuxaudiodev domain >that benno currently has locked (and is inactive) and use it for this >purpose. once that is done, we can have the site up again in a few >hours. > >--p > > > > > From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Feb 3 19:48:06 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Feb 3 19:48:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Jackit-devel] [ANN] jack_capture v0.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E3F9C6.4070902@poeticstudios.com> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > Cesare Marilungo wrote: > >> line 371: >> char *optstring = "d:c:b:B:h"; >> >> 'd' should have been 'f'. Sorry, I already found this when got v0.1.1 >> and forgot to write you. :-) > > > > Thanks! New version is up at http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ > > > 0.2.0 -> 0.2.1: > * Removed optional -f argument (that didn't work anyway) for setting the > filename. Usage for program is now: > "jack_capture [ -b bitdepth ] [-c channels] [ -B bufsize ] [filename]" > Thanks to Cesare Marilungo for pointing out the bug. > * Sound filename is also printed to the screen. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log > files > for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes > searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=103432&bid=230486&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Jackit-devel mailing list > Jackit-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jackit-devel > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. This message contains confidential information and > is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named > addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. > > Now you deleted the 'd' but didn't replace with 'f'. Are you doing it on purpose? :-) Should be: char *optstring = "f:c:b:B:h"; Now it is: char *optstring = "c:b:B:h"; c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Feb 3 19:53:06 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Feb 3 19:53:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Jackit-devel] [ANN] jack_capture v0.2.1 In-Reply-To: <43E3F9C6.4070902@poeticstudios.com> References: <43E3F9C6.4070902@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <43E3FAF2.9010804@poeticstudios.com> Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > >> >> Cesare Marilungo wrote: >> >>> line 371: >>> char *optstring = "d:c:b:B:h"; >>> >>> 'd' should have been 'f'. Sorry, I already found this when got v0.1.1 >>> and forgot to write you. :-) >> >> >> >> >> Thanks! New version is up at http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ >> >> >> 0.2.0 -> 0.2.1: >> * Removed optional -f argument (that didn't work anyway) for setting >> the >> filename. Usage for program is now: >> "jack_capture [ -b bitdepth ] [-c channels] [ -B bufsize ] >> [filename]" >> Thanks to Cesare Marilungo for pointing out the bug. >> * Sound filename is also printed to the screen. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through >> log files >> for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes >> searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! >> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=103432&bid=230486&dat=121642 >> _______________________________________________ >> Jackit-devel mailing list >> Jackit-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jackit-devel >> >> >> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >> are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify >> the system manager. This message contains confidential information >> and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the >> named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this >> e-mail. >> >> > Now you deleted the 'd' but didn't replace with 'f'. > > Are you doing it on purpose? :-) > > Should be: > > char *optstring = "f:c:b:B:h"; > > Now it is: > > char *optstring = "c:b:B:h"; > > c. Sorry I didn't read the whole msg. But if you use the string above ("f:c:b:B:h") it *does* works, as it already does using the extended version of this option ('--file'). c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From dana at ubuntustudio.com Fri Feb 3 20:15:48 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Fri Feb 3 20:15:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1139005144.554.54.camel@mindpipe> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1b6a07c30602021400y70985acfv6c995c9f8128ba35@mail.gmail.com> <1138918344.15691.145.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021422u63146137rca13b27d97c74d5a@mail.gmail.com> <1138919243.15691.159.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021724w4179a408m968a5e20982eaea8@mail.gmail.com> <1139001218.554.34.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602031401o4ec2ff24x3901652a81245997@mail.gmail.com> <1139004540.554.49.camel@mindpipe> <1139005144.554.54.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602031715m7753701je8ca21bc0f1d3da1@mail.gmail.com> On 2/3/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 17:08 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 17:01 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > > This is certainly beyond the scope of my current knowledge. I would > > > like to help, but I don't think I can research and learn that all > > > before the deadline. Do you know anyone who would help out with this? > > > > > > > In theory it should be easy - bash, PAM, and glibc all support the new > > rlimits in their development versions, I just have to backport the > > patches to whatever is in Dapper right now... we'll see how hard that > > is. The bash maintainers have been helpful, and hopefully that glibc > > patch still applies... > > Can someone point me to the patch against PAM 0.79, I remember it was > posted here a while back... > > Lee I am still looking, and this looks like the wrong version, but perhaps it's not much different... Maybe it will help? http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0503.1/1921.html http://alsa.opensrc.org/RealtimeKernelAndPAM Dana From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sat Feb 4 01:00:28 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Fri Feb 3 23:09:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAD site, linuxdj.com needs a new home In-Reply-To: <43E3F3B3.4040603@gardena.net> (Benno Senoner's message of "Sat, 04 Feb 2006 01:22:11 +0100") References: <43DDEA80.40907@gardena.net> <87k6chmf4u.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1138661049.18906.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1138753164.5129.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43E0E18F.8040006@gardena.net> <1138968723.4676.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43E3F3B3.4040603@gardena.net> Message-ID: <87psm3zmrn.fsf@esben-stien.name> Benno Senoner writes: > linuxaudiodev.org How about gnuaudiodev.info?;) -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From heitzso at growthmodels.com Fri Feb 3 23:19:17 2006 From: heitzso at growthmodels.com (Heitzso) Date: Fri Feb 3 23:19:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] maudio audiophile 24/96 Message-ID: <43E42B45.2060301@growthmodels.com> I'm trying to convert my collection of cassette tapes over to CDs. I purchased two nice used tape decks off ebay. The nicer of the two is connected to my computer, which is a recent model athlon64 3000+ w/ 1G RAM. Sound was very rough captured with 'arecord' through the computer's built in sound chip so I bought a maudio audiophile 24/96 from newegg to get a clean dac. But my common Linux mixers don't know what to do with the maudio and I feel I may have purchased a fancier audio card than I know what to do with (most mixers certainly don't know what to do with it). kmix does a reasonable job of picking up and labeling the inputs/outputs/controls. But I don't know how to use them. I'd appreciate being pointed to: email list forum/irc doc url that might help me out. THANKS From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 23:31:41 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Fri Feb 3 23:31:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAD site, linuxdj.com needs a new home In-Reply-To: <87psm3zmrn.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <000601c62943$e632e2c0$3402a8c0@64BitBadass> Just a thought, but I was thinking that we could merge the initiatives between the linuxaudio.org and the current linux-audio-dev site. Obviously, provided that such a move is something that the members of the LAD would not object to :-). Personally, I think it would be great to have all of the linux-audio-related projects and/or incentives united under one joint initiative. However, considering that Paul has already generously offered to host the site and the site has in effect already been moved, perhaps we could at least think about possibly adding LAD site under the umbrella of linuxaudio.org by simple cross-referencing of domains (not sure if this is possible without some kind of nasty frames magic), so that for example LAD site would be also accessible via linuxaudio.org/LAD or something like that... Best wishes, Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Composition Virginia Tech Dept. of Music - 0240 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-7047 (540) 231-5034 (fax) ico@vt.edu http://meowing.ccm.uc.edu/~ico/ > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Esben Stien > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 1:00 AM > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] LAD site, linuxdj.com needs a new home > > Benno Senoner writes: > > > linuxaudiodev.org > > How about gnuaudiodev.info?;) > > -- > Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a > http://www. s t n m > irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact > [sip|iax]: e e > jid:b0ef@ n n From loki.davison at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 00:23:17 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sat Feb 4 00:23:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: maudio audiophile 24/96 In-Reply-To: <43E42B45.2060301@growthmodels.com> References: <43E42B45.2060301@growthmodels.com> Message-ID: On 2/4/06, Heitzso wrote: > I'm trying to convert my collection of cassette tapes over to CDs. > I purchased two nice used tape decks off ebay. The nicer of the > two is connected to my computer, which is a recent model > athlon64 3000+ w/ 1G RAM. > > Sound was very rough captured with 'arecord' through the > computer's built in sound chip so I bought a > maudio audiophile 24/96 from newegg to get a clean dac. > > But my common Linux mixers don't know what to do with the > maudio and I feel I may have purchased a fancier audio card > than I know what to do with (most mixers certainly don't know > what to do with it). > > kmix does a reasonable job of picking up and labeling the > inputs/outputs/controls. But I don't know how to use them. > > I'd appreciate being pointed to: > email list > forum/irc > doc url > that might help me out. > > THANKS > I think the mixer you need is Envy24control. http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=Envy24Control though i don't know if the audiophile uses the same style chip as the deltas. Loki From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Feb 4 06:38:56 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Feb 4 06:39:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] It's music time again In-Reply-To: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060204113856.GA8321@charly.SWORD> On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 09:30:31PM +0000, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > And now, here's my latest contribution: > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/02/music.html Very nice beats. Some short rolls would have been a nice addition. There are very sharp hights here, almost painful to my ears on higher volume. Where's the low-mid range? The fadeout just when one is in the groove and expects perhaps a new element to finalize the track is a bit sad. Thanks for sharing. Best, Thorsten Wilms From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Sat Feb 4 07:09:00 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Sat Feb 4 07:09:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi: 2 questions Message-ID: <43E4995C.2080209@rumoridifondo.com> finally i solve the problems! i've just installed dssi from source and now it works! i'm using liblo 0.18 (the original mandriva package, not the thac's package). and now the graphical front-end works! anyway, thank you for your help. bye emanuele -------- Messaggio Originale -------- Oggetto: dssi: 2 questions Data: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:11:30 +0100 Da: emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. A: linux-audio-user mailing list hi folks, i've installed rosegarden on my mandriva 2006. then i've download dssi from "thac's rpm" (www.mde.djura.org/index2006.0.html). in particular i've installed these files: dssi-0.9.1-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm dssi-vst-0.3.1-10.mdk2006.0.mde.i586.rpm libdssi0-0.9.1-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm libdssi-vst0-0.3.1-10.mdk2006.0.mde.i586.rpm libfluidsynth-dssi0-0.9.1-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm liblo0-0.22-0.1.20060mde.i586.rpm after the installation process ended, i've read the file "/usr/share/doc/dssi-0.9.1/README". i've run first jack and then "less_trivial_synth", "trivial_sampler" and "jack-dssi-host less_trivial_synth.so". my dssi-path was set by default and so all these plugins started (i saw this by looking on jack connections) and i managed also to play "less_trivial_synth" by my m-audio keystation. i've managed also to rec and play with rosegarden. the problem is that in all the cases, the gui of these soft-synth doesn't appear! how can i solve the problem? thank you bye emanuele ps. sorry if my english isn't very good..... From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Sat Feb 4 07:35:58 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Them) Date: Sat Feb 4 07:36:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: maudio audiophile 24/96 In-Reply-To: References: <43E42B45.2060301@growthmodels.com> Message-ID: <43E49FAE.5010809@chapelperilous.net> Loki Davison wrote: > I think the mixer you need is Envy24control. > http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=Envy24Control though i don't > know if the audiophile uses the same style chip as the deltas. Yep, the M-Audio 2496 is a Delta card and uses the envy24control tool for configuration. -- Brett From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Sat Feb 4 08:44:57 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Sat Feb 4 08:45:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] dssi-vst 0.3.1 errors while compiling Message-ID: <43E4AFD9.3040909@rumoridifondo.com> i've managed to install dssi but now i got a problem with dssi-vst. i've installed wine (by urpmi on my mandriva) and then i edit "Makefile.in" to specify the VST SDK location. then i type autoconf; ./configure; make; the terminal tells me a long series of errors which starts with "dssi-vst-server.cpp:" and at the end the terminal tells me "make: *** [dssi-vst-server.o] Error 1". anyone has the same error?? bye emanuele From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sat Feb 4 09:11:05 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sat Feb 4 09:02:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] It's music time again In-Reply-To: <20060204113856.GA8321@charly.SWORD> References: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> <20060204113856.GA8321@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060204141105.GA9908@phlunky.Belkin> On Sat, 04 Feb, 2006 at 12:38PM +0100, Thorsten Wilms spake thus: > On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 09:30:31PM +0000, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > > And now, here's my latest contribution: > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/02/music.html > > Very nice beats. Some short rolls would have been a nice addition. > There are very sharp hights here, almost painful to my ears on > higher volume. Where's the low-mid range? Maybe I should look at this again. I work mostly on good headphones and cheap speakers, so I have to be careful. > The fadeout just when one is in the groove and expects > perhaps a new element to finalize the track is a bit sad. It is a short one. I always fighting my urge to cram more and more into a piece, but perhaps I took it too far. Anyway, it's out in the wild now and it will have to stand as it is. I might look at the levels again if I get chance, though. > Thanks for sharing. Thanks for listening. James > > Best, > Thorsten Wilms > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From laulist at mondoseo.com Sat Feb 4 09:49:24 2006 From: laulist at mondoseo.com (laulist@mondoseo.com) Date: Sat Feb 4 09:48:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CheeseTracker Message-ID: Hi: I have CheeseTracker (CCRMA rpm for Fedora 3) installed and can compose and play tracks, but: - can't save song - can't play song (ie multiple tracks), only the last track composed. Any obvious or common mistake I'm making? Thanks Mick -- From markus at herhoffer.net Sat Feb 4 11:40:37 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Sat Feb 4 10:25:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] dssi-vst 0.3.1 errors while compiling In-Reply-To: <43E4AFD9.3040909@rumoridifondo.com> References: <43E4AFD9.3040909@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: <43E4D905.6030606@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello! I have the same problem. As far as I know the Makefile is not compatible with the newest version of winebuild. The intersting part of the error message is at the head of the output: # make LD_LIBRARY_PATH=":$LD_LIBRARY_PATH" /usr/bin/winebuild -o dssi-vst-server.exe.dbg.c --debug -C. dssi-vst-server.cpp /usr/bin/winebuild: unrecognized option `--debug' Usage: winebuild [OPTIONS] [FILES] [..] make: *** [dssi-vst-server.exe.dbg.c] Error 1 It seems that --debug is no longer supported. But if I delete --debug manually in the Makefile it doesn't work either: # make LD_LIBRARY_PATH=":$LD_LIBRARY_PATH" /usr/bin/winebuild -o dssi-vst-server.exe.dbg.c -C. dssi-vst-server.cpp Usage: winebuild [OPTIONS] [FILES] [..] make: *** [dssi-vst-server.exe.dbg.c] Error 1 Is the option "-C." correct? Why is ":$LD_LIBRARY_PATH" not substituted? Markus P.S.: Some more infos: # winebuild --version winebuild version 0.9.5 # winebuild --help Usage: winebuild [OPTIONS] [FILES] Options: --as-cmd=AS Command to use for assembling (default: as) -d, --delay-lib=LIB Import the specified library in delayed mode -D SYM Ignored for C flags compatibility -E, --export=FILE Export the symbols defined in the .spec or .def file -e, --entry=FUNC Set the DLL entry point function (default: DllMain) -f FLAGS Compiler flags (only -fPIC is supported) -F, --filename=DLLFILE Set the DLL filename (default: from input file name) -h, --help Display this help message -H, --heap=SIZE Set the heap size for a Win16 dll -i, --ignore=SYM[,SYM] Ignore specified symbols when resolving imports -I DIR Ignored for C flags compatibility -k, --kill-at Kill stdcall decorations in generated .def files -K, FLAGS Compiler flags (only -KPIC is supported) --ld-cmd=LD Command to use for linking (default: ld) -l, --library=LIB Import the specified library -L, --library-path=DIR Look for imports libraries in DIR -M, --main-module=MODULE Set the name of the main module for a Win16 dll --nm-cmd=NM Command to use to get undefined symbols (default: nm) -N, --dll-name=DLLNAME Set the DLL name (default: from input file name) -o, --output=NAME Set the output file name (default: stdout) -r, --res=RSRC.RES Load resources from RSRC.RES --save-temps Do not delete the generated intermediate files --subsystem=SUBSYS Set the subsystem (one of native, windows, console) --target=TARGET Specify target CPU and platform for cross-compiling -u, --undefined=SYMBOL Add an undefined reference to SYMBOL when linking -v, --verbose Display the programs invoked --version Print the version and exit -w, --warnings Turn on warnings Mode options: --dll Build a .c file from a .spec or .def file --def Build a .def file from a .spec file --exe Build a .c file for an executable --relay16 Build the 16-bit relay assembly routines --relay32 Build the 32-bit relay assembly routines The mode options are mutually exclusive; you must specify one and only one. emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote: > i've managed to install dssi but now i got a problem with dssi-vst. > > i've installed wine (by urpmi on my mandriva) and then i edit > "Makefile.in" to specify the VST > SDK location. > > then i type autoconf; ./configure; make; > the terminal tells me a long series of errors which starts with > "dssi-vst-server.cpp:" and at the end the terminal tells me "make: *** > [dssi-vst-server.o] Error 1". > > anyone has the same error?? > > bye > emanuele > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD5NkF4ihw6BWdedERAncBAJ4gkOc4yu5xn8SJNOb7TN77b3bqHwCfRbAx wq9E/fZTWQTFzcIF5H48uD0= =Z+iL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hardbop200 at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 10:39:51 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Sat Feb 4 10:39:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] dssi-vst 0.3.1 errors while compiling In-Reply-To: <43E4D905.6030606@herhoffer.net> References: <43E4AFD9.3040909@rumoridifondo.com> <43E4D905.6030606@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: On 2/4/06, Markus Herhoffer wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello! > > I have the same problem. As far as I know the Makefile is not compatible > with the newest version of winebuild. > > The intersting part of the error message is at the head of the output: I have this exact same issue. I even went as far as to try to remove the offending commands from the makefile (someone said that adding the -F switch would fix it...it doesn't), but nothing works. I think this is something that the writer of dssi-vst should look at. I think the "use an old version of Wine" excuse will only last so long. fst-1.7 works great, why can't dssi? -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From heitzso at growthmodels.com Sat Feb 4 10:58:13 2006 From: heitzso at growthmodels.com (Heitzso) Date: Sat Feb 4 10:58:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: maudio audiophile 24/96 In-Reply-To: References: <43E42B45.2060301@growthmodels.com> Message-ID: <43E4CF15.4040108@growthmodels.com> Thanks for the clue re envy24control. I've got it up and running now. I'm surprised that it wasn't in ubuntu's repositories. --Heitzso >>I'm trying to convert my collection of cassette tapes over to CDs. >>I purchased two nice used tape decks off ebay. The nicer of the >>two is connected to my computer, which is a recent model >>athlon64 3000+ w/ 1G RAM. >> >>Sound was very rough captured with 'arecord' through the >>computer's built in sound chip so I bought a >>maudio audiophile 24/96 from newegg to get a clean dac. >> >>But my common Linux mixers don't know what to do with the >>maudio and I feel I may have purchased a fancier audio card >>than I know what to do with (most mixers certainly don't know >>what to do with it). >> >>kmix does a reasonable job of picking up and labeling the >>inputs/outputs/controls. But I don't know how to use them. >> >>I'd appreciate being pointed to: >> email list >> forum/irc >> doc url >>that might help me out. >> >>THANKS >> >> >> >I think the mixer you need is Envy24control. >http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=Envy24Control though i don't >know if the audiophile uses the same style chip as the deltas. > >Loki > > From v2 at iki.fi Sat Feb 4 12:03:36 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Sat Feb 4 12:03:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: maudio audiophile 24/96 In-Reply-To: <43E4CF15.4040108@growthmodels.com> References: <43E42B45.2060301@growthmodels.com> <43E4CF15.4040108@growthmodels.com> Message-ID: <1139072616.3816.15.camel@puppeli> On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 10:58 -0500, Heitzso wrote: > Thanks for the clue re envy24control. I've got it up > and running now. I'm surprised that it wasn't in ubuntu's > repositories. --Heitzso You should try emailing your friendly distribution packager's about it. If Ubuntu wants to be a usable alternative to PlanetCCRMA, they should package it. There might be some licensing issues with it, though. -- Sampo Savolainen From jtburchfield at yahoo.com Sat Feb 4 11:15:22 2006 From: jtburchfield at yahoo.com (Jason Burchfield) Date: Sat Feb 4 12:05:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audiophile usb Message-ID: <43E4D31A.70708@yahoo.com> I am running Fedora Core 4 with the M-Audio Audiophile USB. I dont have any problems playing sound, but I cannot get anything into ardour. Jack starts and connects to Ardour, and I can use hydrogen to add drum beats. The audiophile usb is just not getting any input. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Jason From ce at christeck.de Sat Feb 4 12:21:57 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Feb 4 12:19:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audiophile usb In-Reply-To: <43E4D31A.70708@yahoo.com> References: <43E4D31A.70708@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200602041821.57940.ce@christeck.de> > The audiophile usb is just not getting any input. ?Does anyone have > any suggestions? Did you enable the inputs of the card (e.g. not muted in alsamixer) and adjust the input gain (yes, I know, the most silly hints, but who knows ;-) ? Best regards ce From brent at keycorner.org Sat Feb 4 12:29:11 2006 From: brent at keycorner.org (Brent Busby) Date: Sat Feb 4 12:29:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Installing Demudi packages on Debian Message-ID: <20060204172911.GA5358@keycorner.org> It's occured to me that installing the kernel from Demudi stable on Debian might be a nice easy way to get all my kernel tweaks without even needing to recompile. And thanks to the way the kernel and the userland in Linux are so relatively version independant of one another (something not so true on other UNIX flavors), that should be quite safe, too. It made me wonder though -- since Demudi is built from Debian, what would be the issues with inporting lots of other packages useful to musicians as well, while still keeping the system essentially Debian? Do a lot ("a lot" meaning a destabilizing amount) of non-music-related packages from Debian get superceded by Demudi versions when you add the Demudi Apt repositories to the sources.list of a sarge machine? Are any of you currently doing something like that? Just wondering... I'm sure that even as there have been many MIDI and recording apps in sarge that surely would not have gotten there without Demudi, there are probably still others that either never made it or have newer versions in Demudi than what sarge gives you. I just don't want to make my system unmaintainable by mixing distributions like that on a really massive scale though... Once you get newer versions of really critical things, it can be almost like committing yourself to running sid/unstable -- no easy way back. -- + Brent A. Busby, UNIX Systems Admin + "It's like being + + James Franck / Enrico Fermi Institute + blindsided by a + + The University of Chicago + flying dwarf..." + From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Sat Feb 4 12:42:34 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Sat Feb 4 12:42:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] maudio audiophile 24/96 In-Reply-To: <20060204140234.82BB94D8F48@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060204140234.82BB94D8F48@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <43E4E78A.7060609@rumoridifondo.com> i'm using audiophile2496 too. yes, you have to use snd-ice1712module and envy24control as mixer. bye emanuele > > Oggetto: > [linux-audio-user] maudio audiophile 24/96 > Da: > Heitzso > Data: > Fri, 03 Feb 2006 23:19:17 -0500 > A: > linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > > A: > linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > > > I'm trying to convert my collection of cassette tapes over to CDs. > I purchased two nice used tape decks off ebay. The nicer of the > two is connected to my computer, which is a recent model > athlon64 3000+ w/ 1G RAM. > > Sound was very rough captured with 'arecord' through the > computer's built in sound chip so I bought a > maudio audiophile 24/96 from newegg to get a clean dac. > But my common Linux mixers don't know what to do with the > maudio and I feel I may have purchased a fancier audio card > than I know what to do with (most mixers certainly don't know > what to do with it). > > kmix does a reasonable job of picking up and labeling the > inputs/outputs/controls. But I don't know how to use them. > > I'd appreciate being pointed to: > email list > forum/irc > doc url > that might help me out. > THANKS From victor.lazzarini at nuim.ie Sat Feb 4 13:07:43 2006 From: victor.lazzarini at nuim.ie (Victor Lazzarini) Date: Sat Feb 4 13:07:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audiophile usb Message-ID: <43e4ed6f.1aa.6c06.807534334@may.ie> I have one of these and the input does not work. Get another card (but not from m-audio), that's what I am doing... The card does not have any mixer elements, so you can't run alsamixer on it. No can do, I'm afraid. Victor > > > > The audiophile usb is just not getting any input. ?Does > > anyone have any suggestions? > > Did you enable the inputs of the card (e.g. not muted in > alsamixer) and adjust the input gain (yes, I know, the > most silly hints, but who knows ;-) ? > > > Best regards > > > ce From jtburchfield at yahoo.com Sat Feb 4 13:28:36 2006 From: jtburchfield at yahoo.com (Jason Burchfield) Date: Sat Feb 4 13:28:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audiophile usb In-Reply-To: <43e4ed6f.1aa.6c06.807534334@may.ie> References: <43e4ed6f.1aa.6c06.807534334@may.ie> Message-ID: <43E4F254.8040500@yahoo.com> What kind of usb card would you suggest.... Jason Victor Lazzarini wrote: > I have one of these and the input does not work. Get > another card (but not from m-audio), that's what I am > doing... > > The card does not have any mixer elements, so you can't > run alsamixer on it. > > No can do, I'm afraid. > > Victor > > >> >>>The audiophile usb is just not getting any input. > > Does > >>>anyone have any suggestions? >> >>Did you enable the inputs of the card (e.g. not muted in >>alsamixer) and adjust the input gain (yes, I know, the >>most silly hints, but who knows ;-) ? >> >> >>Best regards >> >> >>ce > > From ce at christeck.de Sat Feb 4 13:37:56 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Feb 4 13:35:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audiophile usb In-Reply-To: <43E4F254.8040500@yahoo.com> References: <43e4ed6f.1aa.6c06.807534334@may.ie> <43E4F254.8040500@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200602041937.57837.ce@christeck.de> > What kind of usb card would you suggest I heard the Tascam US-122 works very well (AFAIR it has a ALSA module of its own). I run an Edirol UA-25 which works very nicely out of the box using the ans_usb_audio module. Please note that both cards don't offer software controls via alsamixer, both have hardware controls for all settings. Best regards ce From hardbop200 at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 13:41:02 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Sat Feb 4 13:41:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audiophile usb In-Reply-To: <200602041937.57837.ce@christeck.de> References: <43e4ed6f.1aa.6c06.807534334@may.ie> <43E4F254.8040500@yahoo.com> <200602041937.57837.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: On 2/4/06, Christoph Eckert wrote: > I heard the Tascam US-122 works very well (AFAIR it has a ALSA module of > its own). I run an Edirol UA-25 which works very nicely out of the box > using the ans_usb_audio module. Does MIDI work out of the box with the UA-25 as well? Seems like this would be a nice all-in-one solution. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From dana at ubuntustudio.com Sat Feb 4 13:53:51 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Sat Feb 4 13:53:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Installing Demudi packages on Debian In-Reply-To: <20060204172911.GA5358@keycorner.org> References: <20060204172911.GA5358@keycorner.org> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602041053r17bcc7d5gd68e53c52c75b1@mail.gmail.com> On 2/4/06, Brent Busby wrote: > It's occured to me that installing the kernel from Demudi stable on > Debian might be a nice easy way to get all my kernel tweaks without even > needing to recompile. And thanks to the way the kernel and the userland > in Linux are so relatively version independant of one another (something > not so true on other UNIX flavors), that should be quite safe, too. > > It made me wonder though -- since Demudi is built from Debian, what > would be the issues with inporting lots of other packages useful to > musicians as well, while still keeping the system essentially Debian? > > Do a lot ("a lot" meaning a destabilizing amount) of non-music-related > packages from Debian get superceded by Demudi versions when you add the > Demudi Apt repositories to the sources.list of a sarge machine? Are any > of you currently doing something like that? Just wondering... I'm sure > that even as there have been many MIDI and recording apps in sarge that > surely would not have gotten there without Demudi, there are probably > still others that either never made it or have newer versions in Demudi > than what sarge gives you. > > I just don't want to make my system unmaintainable by mixing > distributions like that on a really massive scale though... Once you > get newer versions of really critical things, it can be almost like > committing yourself to running sid/unstable -- no easy way back. > > -- > + Brent A. Busby, UNIX Systems Admin + "It's like being + > + James Franck / Enrico Fermi Institute + blindsided by a + > + The University of Chicago + flying dwarf..." + > Well, that's one of the things I don't like too. I hate using 3rd party repositories for the same reason as you. But anyhow, just thought I'd let you know that I took the kernel from DeMuDi (unstable, but probably would work with stable too) and installed it on Ubuntu and it booted fine for me. I only did it to test though, and I didn't use it for long before uninstalling. But it should work for you on Debian, if all you want is the kernel. Dana From d_baron at 012.net.il Sat Feb 4 14:55:29 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Sat Feb 4 14:55:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RTC !?? Message-ID: <200602042155.29903.d_baron@012.net.il> This has been in my /etc/modules from the start. For a while now, (most recent?) 2.6 kernels, this will not load "device not found". Since it did not seem to effect anything, I just let it be. (Note I have both a rtc.ko and rtcgen.ko in my kernel's modules.) Finally, an app kicked! Playing with the latest Dynebolic 1.4.1 running in Qemu (1.1 ran very nicely without complaint), I got a non-fatal error message unable to set rtc to some parameter 1024. It suggested running in a 2.6 host kernel (2.6.15 at your service!) or echoing 1024 into a file on some /proc subdirectory (I have no such subdirectory in /proc). Anyone know anything about this? From robin at rektau.ukfsn.org Sat Feb 4 15:22:28 2006 From: robin at rektau.ukfsn.org (robin) Date: Sat Feb 4 15:22:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Installing Demudi packages on Debian In-Reply-To: <20060204172911.GA5358@keycorner.org> References: <20060204172911.GA5358@keycorner.org> Message-ID: <43E50D04.2020000@rektau.ukfsn.org> Brent Busby wrote: > It's occured to me that installing the kernel from Demudi stable on > Debian might be a nice easy way to get all my kernel tweaks without even > needing to recompile. And thanks to the way the kernel and the userland > in Linux are so relatively version independant of one another (something > not so true on other UNIX flavors), that should be quite safe, too. > > It made me wonder though -- since Demudi is built from Debian, what > would be the issues with inporting lots of other packages useful to > musicians as well, while still keeping the system essentially Debian? > > Do a lot ("a lot" meaning a destabilizing amount) of non-music-related > packages from Debian get superceded by Demudi versions when you add the > Demudi Apt repositories to the sources.list of a sarge machine? Are any > of you currently doing something like that? Just wondering... I'm sure > that even as there have been many MIDI and recording apps in sarge that > surely would not have gotten there without Demudi, there are probably > still others that either never made it or have newer versions in Demudi > than what sarge gives you. > > I just don't want to make my system unmaintainable by mixing > distributions like that on a really massive scale though... Once you > get newer versions of really critical things, it can be almost like > committing yourself to running sid/unstable -- no easy way back. > Demudi version 1.2.1 is based on Sarge so it should be ok bearing in mind the following: The only packages, I think, to avoid are demudi and cdd if you don't want to change your Sarge setup. Keep an eye on any messages from synaptic or apt-get whichever you use. robin From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Feb 4 15:43:27 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Feb 4 15:43:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RTC !?? In-Reply-To: <200602042155.29903.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <200602042155.29903.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <1139085807.2791.63.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 21:55 +0200, David Baron wrote: > This has been in my /etc/modules from the start. For a while now, (most > recent?) 2.6 kernels, this will not load "device not found". Since it did not > seem to effect anything, I just let it be. (Note I have both a rtc.ko and > rtcgen.ko in my kernel's modules.) Don't use rtcgen if your hardware has a real RTC. Lee From dana at ubuntustudio.com Sat Feb 4 15:49:09 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Sat Feb 4 15:49:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1139005144.554.54.camel@mindpipe> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1b6a07c30602021400y70985acfv6c995c9f8128ba35@mail.gmail.com> <1138918344.15691.145.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021422u63146137rca13b27d97c74d5a@mail.gmail.com> <1138919243.15691.159.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021724w4179a408m968a5e20982eaea8@mail.gmail.com> <1139001218.554.34.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602031401o4ec2ff24x3901652a81245997@mail.gmail.com> <1139004540.554.49.camel@mindpipe> <1139005144.554.54.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602041249l1e4b2f6btc218572ed356e0d3@mail.gmail.com> On 2/3/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 17:08 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 17:01 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > > This is certainly beyond the scope of my current knowledge. I would > > > like to help, but I don't think I can research and learn that all > > > before the deadline. Do you know anyone who would help out with this? > > > > > > > In theory it should be easy - bash, PAM, and glibc all support the new > > rlimits in their development versions, I just have to backport the > > patches to whatever is in Dapper right now... we'll see how hard that > > is. The bash maintainers have been helpful, and hopefully that glibc > > patch still applies... > > Can someone point me to the patch against PAM 0.79, I remember it was > posted here a while back... > > Lee Hey, I was able to do it successfully for Breezy. Here is the link to the page in the wiki that I just did: http://www.ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Rlimits-Aware_PAM Works great for me. I no longer need set_rlimits or realtime-lsm. I hope you can get this into Breezy. There is a discussion on this page as well, where I learned the steps from: http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Using_set_rlimits Thanks to user Woho for his Dapper procedure. I am not sure who that is, for all I know, it could be you. ;) Dana From leslie.polzer at gmx.net Sat Feb 4 15:56:26 2006 From: leslie.polzer at gmx.net (leslie.polzer@gmx.net) Date: Sat Feb 4 15:57:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need for more than stereo Message-ID: <20060204205626.GA4942@wintermute> Hello audio users, I'm working on JACK Rack 2 and would like to know how many of you are using more than two channels and how important you consider more than two. Thanks, Leslie -- gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0x52D70289 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jason From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Feb 4 16:40:47 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Feb 4 16:38:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] It's music time again In-Reply-To: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060204214047.1af4c124@localhost> On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:30:31 +0000 james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > Me again. > > I've been very busy, so I haven't been responding to much on the > list. > > I have made time to listen to the great stuff people have been > doing, though. So, to all the people who've posted recently: well > done! Do more! I really liked the [intro/bass/chorus] (delete as applicable). > > And now, here's my latest contribution: > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/02/music.html > > James Nicely put together, and a very clean recording. Percussion is always my weakest point so I envy you that :) -- F From ix at replic.net Sat Feb 4 16:39:41 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Sat Feb 4 16:39:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] m-audio drivers In-Reply-To: <1139089005.43e51e6df05e3@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1139089005.43e51e6df05e3@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <20060204213941.GA17706@replic.net> On Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 04:36:45PM -0500, jmacdermott@dopd.com wrote: > I have read a little bit about the support for M-Audio stuff under Alsa using > some non-opensource drivers, but I was wondering if anyone who has used this > (or a similar M-Audio USB MIDI controller) can recommend it to me? should work fine with snd-usb-audio module, part of alsa-driver pack. you mean M-Audio is releasing binary drivers now? From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sat Feb 4 18:27:11 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sat Feb 4 18:18:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CheeseTracker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060204232711.GE12630@phlunky.Belkin> On Sun, 05 Feb, 2006 at 12:19AM +0930, laulist@mondoseo.com spake thus: > > Hi: > > I have CheeseTracker (CCRMA rpm for Fedora 3) installed and can compose > and play tracks, but: > > - can't save song Make sure you give it a .ct extension > - can't play song (ie multiple tracks), only the last track composed. F11 takes you to the pane in which you can enter track ordering (column on the left). F5 instead of F6 then plays the whole song, as you ordered the tracks. James > Any obvious or common mistake I'm making? > > Thanks > Mick -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Feb 4 18:48:57 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat Feb 4 18:49:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] It's music time again In-Reply-To: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <200602041848.57502.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 03 February 2006 16:30, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: >Me again. > >I've been very busy, so I haven't been responding to much on the >list. > >I have made time to listen to the great stuff people have been >doing, though. So, to all the people who've posted recently: well >done! Do more! I really liked the [intro/bass/chorus] (delete as > applicable). > >And now, here's my latest contribution: >http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/02/music.html > >James I just now got around to listening, nice stuff. I hope you do more. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From v2 at iki.fi Sat Feb 4 18:53:06 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Sat Feb 4 18:53:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need for more than stereo In-Reply-To: <20060204205626.GA4942@wintermute> References: <20060204205626.GA4942@wintermute> Message-ID: <1139097186.3816.23.camel@puppeli> On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 21:56 +0100, leslie.polzer@gmx.net wrote: > Hello audio users, > > I'm working on JACK Rack 2 and would like to know how many of you are > using more than two channels and how important you consider more than > two. I don't work with ambisonics, but some people might want to use the ambisonics plugs in jack rack. They deal with 4 streams. With ambisonics, you would probably want to have a different number of inputs and outputs. I have an idea to make better use of these plugins: what if in cases where there are more than 2 streams, the ports would be represented in the gui, and the connection model between those ports and the inputs/outputs would be visualized and maybe even configurable. I know of the issues with differentiating i/o's and how it's tricky to make the perfect model. But in case of selecting a single model to deal with the situation, it would be great that the gui would show how the model is implemented between two plugs. -- Sampo Savolainen From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sat Feb 4 20:06:45 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Sat Feb 4 20:00:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need for more than stereo In-Reply-To: <1139097186.3816.23.camel@puppeli> References: <20060204205626.GA4942@wintermute> <1139097186.3816.23.camel@puppeli> Message-ID: <20060205010645.GB6092@linux-1> On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 01:53:06AM +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 21:56 +0100, leslie.polzer@gmx.net wrote: > > Hello audio users, > > > > I'm working on JACK Rack 2 and would like to know how many of you are > > using more than two channels and how important you consider more than > > two. > > I don't work with ambisonics, but some people might want to use the > ambisonics plugs in jack rack. They deal with 4 streams. With > ambisonics, you would probably want to have a different number of inputs > and outputs. That's indeed the case, and it's difficult to say which combinations would be tyical or improbable. There should be no artificial limits. > I have an idea to make better use of these plugins: what if in cases > where there are more than 2 streams, the ports would be represented in > the gui, and the connection model between those ports and the > inputs/outputs would be visualized and maybe even configurable. You can do this with AMS of course... -- FA From ce at christeck.de Sat Feb 4 20:46:30 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Feb 4 20:44:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audiophile usb In-Reply-To: References: <43e4ed6f.1aa.6c06.807534334@may.ie> <200602041937.57837.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200602050246.30954.ce@christeck.de> > Does MIDI work out of the box with the UA-25 as well? ?Seems like > this would be a nice all-in-one solution. I never used it because I have a 8x8 device, but at least the MIDI ports appear in ALSA without any further configuration. I'd really wonder if they didn't work. Best regards ce From qb at f2s.com Sat Feb 4 21:23:50 2006 From: qb at f2s.com (Q) Date: Sat Feb 4 21:23:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audiophile usb In-Reply-To: <43E4D31A.70708@yahoo.com> References: <43E4D31A.70708@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43E561B6.9060008@f2s.com> Jason Burchfield wrote: > I am running Fedora Core 4 with the M-Audio Audiophile USB. I dont > have any problems playing sound, but I cannot get anything into > ardour. Jack starts and connects to Ardour, and I can use hydrogen to > add drum beats. The audiophile usb is just not getting any input. > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > > Thanks, > > Jason > Have you checked in the JACK settings that the card is set to duplex rather than just playback? This happened with my (admittedly PCI) Audiophile 2496 when I got it recently. It had me stumped for a bit whilst my brain caught up :-) From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Feb 4 23:32:33 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Feb 4 23:32:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audiophile usb In-Reply-To: <43E561B6.9060008@f2s.com> References: <43E4D31A.70708@yahoo.com> <43E561B6.9060008@f2s.com> Message-ID: <1139113954.2791.101.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 02:23 +0000, Q wrote: > Have you checked in the JACK settings that the card is set to duplex > rather than just playback? This happened with my (admittedly PCI) > Audiophile 2496 when I got it recently. It had me stumped for a bit > whilst my brain caught up :-) > The USB and PCI version have absolutely nothing in common. Lee From ninjadroid at gazuga.net Sun Feb 5 04:26:43 2006 From: ninjadroid at gazuga.net (Pete Bessman) Date: Sun Feb 5 04:21:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAD site, linuxdj.com needs a new home In-Reply-To: <000601c62943$e632e2c0$3402a8c0@64BitBadass> References: <000601c62943$e632e2c0$3402a8c0@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <1139131603.5474.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 23:31 -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > Just a thought, but I was thinking that we could merge the initiatives > between the linuxaudio.org and the current linux-audio-dev site. Obviously, > provided that such a move is something that the members of the LAD would not > object to :-). votes++; -- Pete Bessman http://gazuga.net "So this baby seal walks into a club." From victor.lazzarini at nuim.ie Sun Feb 5 05:44:28 2006 From: victor.lazzarini at nuim.ie (Victor Lazzarini) Date: Sun Feb 5 05:44:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audiophile usb Message-ID: <43e5d70c.3a5.2ba4.1366377629@may.ie> And the USB will not work with input. Jack will not even start on full-duplex. Forget it, there is no point on waisting time with it. Victor > > On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 02:23 +0000, Q wrote: > > Have you checked in the JACK settings that the card is > > set to duplex rather than just playback? This happened > > with my (admittedly PCI) Audiophile 2496 when I got it > > recently. It had me stumped for a bit whilst my brain > > caught up :-) > > The USB and PCI version have absolutely nothing in common. > > Lee > From v2 at iki.fi Sun Feb 5 05:49:09 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Sun Feb 5 05:49:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need for more than stereo In-Reply-To: <20060205010645.GB6092@linux-1> References: <20060204205626.GA4942@wintermute> <1139097186.3816.23.camel@puppeli> <20060205010645.GB6092@linux-1> Message-ID: <1139136549.3803.4.camel@puppeli> On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 02:06 +0100, fons adriaensen wrote: > On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 01:53:06AM +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 21:56 +0100, leslie.polzer@gmx.net wrote: > > > Hello audio users, > > > > > > I'm working on JACK Rack 2 and would like to know how many of you are > > > using more than two channels and how important you consider more than > > > two. > > > > I don't work with ambisonics, but some people might want to use the > > ambisonics plugs in jack rack. They deal with 4 streams. With > > ambisonics, you would probably want to have a different number of inputs > > and outputs. > > That's indeed the case, and it's difficult to say which combinations > would be tyical or improbable. There should be no artificial limits. > > > I have an idea to make better use of these plugins: what if in cases > > where there are more than 2 streams, the ports would be represented in > > the gui, and the connection model between those ports and the > > inputs/outputs would be visualized and maybe even configurable. > > You can do this with AMS of course... I agree that AMS/om etc. are better for freely routed processing, and doing free routing is almost against the purpose of jack-rack which is supposed to be a very easy, fast to use, serial plugin processor. But, my idea is that the even if the connections cannot be routed freely, the GUI would *show* how the outputs *are* routed. Knowing what actually happens makes the tool more usable. -- Sampo Savolainen From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sun Feb 5 06:12:46 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sun Feb 5 06:04:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] It's music time again In-Reply-To: <20060204214047.1af4c124@localhost> References: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> <20060204214047.1af4c124@localhost> Message-ID: <20060205111245.GA11986@phlunky.Belkin> On Sat, 04 Feb, 2006 at 09:40PM +0000, Folderol spake thus: > On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:30:31 +0000 > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > Me again. > > > > I've been very busy, so I haven't been responding to much on the > > list. > > > > I have made time to listen to the great stuff people have been > > doing, though. So, to all the people who've posted recently: well > > done! Do more! I really liked the [intro/bass/chorus] (delete as applicable). > > > > And now, here's my latest contribution: > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/02/music.html > > > > James > > > Nicely put together, and a very clean recording. Percussion is always my > weakest point so I envy you that :) Feel free to steal the beats. I've been uploading a few to freesound: http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/usersViewSingle.php?id=32412 This one isn't there yet, but it will be when I get time to upload it. James -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From laulist at mondoseo.com Sun Feb 5 07:00:51 2006 From: laulist at mondoseo.com (laulist@mondoseo.com) Date: Sun Feb 5 06:59:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAD site, linuxdj.com needs a new home In-Reply-To: <1139131603.5474.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <000601c62943$e632e2c0$3402a8c0@64BitBadass> <1139131603.5474.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Sounds sensible to me! Mick On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, Pete Bessman wrote: > On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 23:31 -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: >> Just a thought, but I was thinking that we could merge the initiatives >> between the linuxaudio.org and the current linux-audio-dev site. Obviously, >> provided that such a move is something that the members of the LAD would not >> object to :-). > > votes++; > > -- From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 07:49:21 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Feb 5 07:49:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for more than stereo In-Reply-To: <1139136549.3803.4.camel@puppeli> References: <20060204205626.GA4942@wintermute> <1139097186.3816.23.camel@puppeli> <20060205010645.GB6092@linux-1> <1139136549.3803.4.camel@puppeli> Message-ID: On 2/5/06, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 02:06 +0100, fons adriaensen wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 01:53:06AM +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > > On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 21:56 +0100, leslie.polzer@gmx.net wrote: > > > > Hello audio users, > > > > > > > > I'm working on JACK Rack 2 and would like to know how many of you > are > > > > using more than two channels and how important you consider more than > > > > two. Leslie, have you tried om? is jack rack 2 really required for something? Om is fast, light weight and quite easy to use. If the gui is too difficult for simple stuff you can just implement another jack rack 2 as another gui for om, it communicates via osc and it's very easy. If you want to see a simple and dodgy c specialist c gui for om look at old smack sources when i used to include a gtk gui. Loki From woho at woho.de Sun Feb 5 08:49:39 2006 From: woho at woho.de (Wolfgang Hoffmann) Date: Sun Feb 5 08:48:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. Message-ID: <200602051449.39962.woho@woho.de> > On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 17:08 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 17:01 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > > This is certainly beyond the scope of my current knowledge. I would > > > like to help, but I don't think I can research and learn that all > > > before the deadline. Do you know anyone who would help out with this? > > > > > > > In theory it should be easy - bash, PAM, and glibc all support the new > > rlimits in their development versions, I just have to backport the > > patches to whatever is in Dapper right now... we'll see how hard that > > is. The bash maintainers have been helpful, and hopefully that glibc > > patch still applies... > > Can someone point me to the patch against PAM 0.79, I remember it was > posted here a while back... > > Lee Lee, I saw your ancient bugreport #17348 (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/17348), Will Dyson added a patch recently (http://librarian.launchpad.net/1510182/pam-rtlimits.patch) to it which seems to be good (it works for me on Kubuntu Dapper). As mentioned by Dana, I've added a howto for rtprio-aware PAM on Dapper to his wiki at http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Rlimits-Aware_PAM_with_Dapper Concerning glibc and bash, there are patches at http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-hacker/2005-06/msg00005.html and for bash in Fedora CVS at http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/rpms/bash/devel/bash-ulimit.patch I've patched glibc-2.3.5 and bash on a linuxfromscratch-based system successfully, but I can't tell whether these work on Dapper, since bash failed to rebuild for me (unpatched). I'm new to Debian packaging, so maybe I screwed something up. I'm very interested to see this move into Dapper before freeze, so if I can help, please ask me to. Wolfgang From leslie.polzer at gmx.net Sun Feb 5 09:19:18 2006 From: leslie.polzer at gmx.net (leslie.polzer@gmx.net) Date: Sun Feb 5 09:19:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need for JACK Rack (2)? (was: Re: Need for more than stereo) In-Reply-To: References: <20060204205626.GA4942@wintermute> <1139097186.3816.23.camel@puppeli> <20060205010645.GB6092@linux-1> <1139136549.3803.4.camel@puppeli> Message-ID: <20060205141918.GA1248@wintermute> Hello everyone! On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 11:49:21PM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > Leslie, have you tried om? Thank you, Loki. That application slipped my attention because I had no good net connection for the past half year. It looks very promising. > is jack rack 2 really required for something? That's a question I'd like to pose here. Are there any JACK Rack users that can convince me they will need it in the future and tell me why they do not use other tools? Best wishes to you all, Leslie -- gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0x52D70289 http://nic-nac-project.de/~skypher/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There are many, many uses - due in part to the new media formats that allow for multi-channel playback - and don't forget about sound installations. G From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Feb 5 10:33:32 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Feb 5 10:08:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <20060205141918.GA1248@wintermute> References: <20060204205626.GA4942@wintermute> <1139097186.3816.23.camel@puppeli> <20060205010645.GB6092@linux-1> <1139136549.3803.4.camel@puppeli> <20060205141918.GA1248@wintermute> Message-ID: <43E61ACC.9030608@woh.rr.com> leslie.polzer@gmx.net wrote: >That's a question I'd like to pose here. > Are there any JACK Rack users that can convince me they will need it >in the future and tell me why they do not use other tools? > > I use it all the time, mainly when working with synths like QSynth and amSynth. I like it a lot. :) What other tools ? Best, dp From leslie.polzer at gmx.net Sun Feb 5 10:14:39 2006 From: leslie.polzer at gmx.net (leslie.polzer@gmx.net) Date: Sun Feb 5 10:16:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <43E61ACC.9030608@woh.rr.com> References: <20060204205626.GA4942@wintermute> <1139097186.3816.23.camel@puppeli> <20060205010645.GB6092@linux-1> <1139136549.3803.4.camel@puppeli> <20060205141918.GA1248@wintermute> <43E61ACC.9030608@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060205151439.GA3985@wintermute> On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 10:33:32AM -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > I use it all the time, mainly when working with synths like QSynth and > amSynth. I like it a lot. :) > > What other tools ? Loki Davison and another guy mentioned "om" earlier in this thread, and I wonder whether it makes JACK Rack obsolete. See http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/ . Leslie -- gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0x52D70289 http://nic-nac-project.de/~skypher/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060205/7c08f5bd/attachment.bin From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Feb 5 10:55:08 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Feb 5 10:30:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <20060205151439.GA3985@wintermute> References: <20060204205626.GA4942@wintermute> <1139097186.3816.23.camel@puppeli> <20060205010645.GB6092@linux-1> <1139136549.3803.4.camel@puppeli> <20060205141918.GA1248@wintermute> <43E61ACC.9030608@woh.rr.com> <20060205151439.GA3985@wintermute> Message-ID: <43E61FDC.6030507@woh.rr.com> leslie.polzer@gmx.net wrote: >On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 10:33:32AM -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > > > >>I use it all the time, mainly when working with synths like QSynth and >>amSynth. I like it a lot. :) >> >>What other tools ? >> >> >Loki Davison and another guy mentioned "om" earlier in this thread, and >I wonder whether it makes JACK Rack obsolete. > > See http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/ . > > Oh yes, I'm aware of Om, but it's a weightier app by far. I like light tools: Jack Rack, midirgui, QJackCtl, and so forth. But Om is cool. Best, dp From a at gaydenko.com Sun Feb 5 10:50:35 2006 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Sun Feb 5 10:42:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <43E61ACC.9030608@woh.rr.com> References: <20060204205626.GA4942@wintermute> <20060205141918.GA1248@wintermute> <43E61ACC.9030608@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200602051850.35127@goldspace.net> I use it all the time too! I'm sure, we need JACK Rack 2, 3, ... :-) ======= On Sunday 05 February 2006 18:33, Dave Phillips wrote: ======= leslie.polzer@gmx.net wrote: >That's a question I'd like to pose here. > Are there any JACK Rack users that can convince me they will need it >in the future and tell me why they do not use other tools? > > I use it all the time, mainly when working with synths like QSynth and amSynth. I like it a lot. :) What other tools ? Best, dp From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sun Feb 5 11:18:32 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sun Feb 5 11:18:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <20060205151439.GA3985@wintermute> References: <20060204205626.GA4942@wintermute> <1139097186.3816.23.camel@puppeli> <20060205010645.GB6092@linux-1> <1139136549.3803.4.camel@puppeli> <20060205141918.GA1248@wintermute> <43E61ACC.9030608@woh.rr.com> <20060205151439.GA3985@wintermute> Message-ID: <20060205171832.01105be6@mango.fruits.de> On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:14:39 +0100 leslie.polzer@gmx.net wrote: > On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 10:33:32AM -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > > > I use it all the time, mainly when working with synths like QSynth and > > amSynth. I like it a lot. :) > > > > What other tools ? > Loki Davison and another guy mentioned "om" earlier in this thread, and > I wonder whether it makes JACK Rack obsolete. > > See http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/ . No, while om-synth can do all that jack-rack can do, it takes a little more work for the user to do so. jack-rack's advantage is its simple straightforward approach to a common need. And om-synth's advantage is its power :) IMHO they can very happily coexist. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From carotinobg at yahoo.it Sun Feb 5 11:25:00 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Sun Feb 5 11:24:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need for JACK Rack (2)? (was: Re: Need for more than stereo) In-Reply-To: <20060205141918.GA1248@wintermute> References: <20060204205626.GA4942@wintermute> <20060205141918.GA1248@wintermute> Message-ID: <200602051725.01045.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! > Are there any JACK Rack users that can convince me they will need it > in the future and tell me why they do not use other tools? I don't know about Om, it scared me with the amount of dependencies, while Jack Rack compiled smoothly (Slack 10.2). I use it for live audio processing, I use my computer as an effect processor for reverberation etc. in my sound services. I can't think of a substitute, so, please keep on:) Byez! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From rtp405 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 5 11:35:33 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Sun Feb 5 11:35:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <20060205171832.01105be6@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <20060205163533.14684.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:14:39 +0100 > leslie.polzer@gmx.net wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 10:33:32AM -0500, Dave > Phillips wrote: > > > > > I use it all the time, mainly when working with > synths like QSynth and > > > amSynth. I like it a lot. :) > > > > > > What other tools ? > > Loki Davison and another guy mentioned "om" > earlier in this thread, and > > I wonder whether it makes JACK Rack obsolete. > > > > See http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/ . > > No, > > while om-synth can do all that jack-rack can do, it > takes a little more > work for the user to do so. jack-rack's advantage is > its simple > straightforward approach to a common need. And > om-synth's advantage is > its power :) IMHO they can very happily coexist. And there is no om-synth for FC3 + CCRMA ron > Flo > > -- > Palimm Palimm! > http://tapas.affenbande.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jtburchfield at yahoo.com Sun Feb 5 12:12:17 2006 From: jtburchfield at yahoo.com (Jason Burchfield) Date: Sun Feb 5 12:12:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audiophile usb In-Reply-To: <43e5d70c.3a5.2ba4.1366377629@may.ie> References: <43e5d70c.3a5.2ba4.1366377629@may.ie> Message-ID: <43E631F1.5060900@yahoo.com> Jack does start in full duplex, but there is not any input... I've been messing with it way too long. I'm going to find another card. Has anyone used the Tascam US-122, it seems to have everything I need? Jason Victor Lazzarini wrote: >And the USB will not work with input. Jack will not even >start on full-duplex. Forget it, there is no point on >waisting time with it. > >Victor > > > >>On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 02:23 +0000, Q wrote: >> >> >>>Have you checked in the JACK settings that the card is >>>set to duplex rather than just playback? This happened >>>with my (admittedly PCI) Audiophile 2496 when I got it >>>recently. It had me stumped for a bit whilst my brain >>>caught up :-) >>> >>> >>The USB and PCI version have absolutely nothing in common. >> >>Lee >> >> >> > > > From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sun Feb 5 12:19:54 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sun Feb 5 12:20:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audiophile usb In-Reply-To: <43E631F1.5060900@yahoo.com> References: <43e5d70c.3a5.2ba4.1366377629@may.ie> <43E631F1.5060900@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43E633BA.50601@poeticstudios.com> Jason Burchfield wrote: > Jack does start in full duplex, but there is not any input... I've > been messing > with it way too long. I'm going to find another card. > > Has anyone used the Tascam US-122, it seems to have everything I need? > > Jason I'm not sure, but I believe that the fact that jack starts in full duplex (at least using qjackctl) doesn't mean it has succesfully open the capture port. Have you read all the output messages? Try to start it just with capture enabled. If it doesn't start it could be a problem of permissions. In this case you should check reading permission on your device. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com > > > Victor Lazzarini wrote: > >> And the USB will not work with input. Jack will not even >> start on full-duplex. Forget it, there is no point on >> waisting time with it. >> >> Victor >> >> >> >>> On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 02:23 +0000, Q wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Have you checked in the JACK settings that the card is >>>> set to duplex rather than just playback? This happened >>>> with my (admittedly PCI) Audiophile 2496 when I got it >>>> recently. It had me stumped for a bit whilst my brain >>>> caught up :-) >>>> >>> >>> The USB and PCI version have absolutely nothing in common. >>> >>> Lee >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Sun Feb 5 13:05:44 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Sun Feb 5 13:05:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Using 2 Delta 1010s Message-ID: <20062510544.365306@rk-recp3> Can JACK be configured to use 2 Delta 1010 cards? I have found documentation for a hack to use multiple SBLive? consumer cards, but I haven't been able to determine whether multiple pro/prosumer cards can be set up - is that possible? Ruben From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Sun Feb 5 13:32:59 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Petter_Sundl=F6f?=) Date: Sun Feb 5 13:33:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Using 2 Delta 1010s In-Reply-To: <20062510544.365306@rk-recp3> References: <20062510544.365306@rk-recp3> Message-ID: <43E644DB.4030805@findus.dhs.org> Do you have two regular 1010 cards, or two 1010LTs? If the latter, it's not yet possible. Some changes are pending. Otherwise instructions are here; very simple to follow -- just a bit of patching needed: http://www.sound-man.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html Ruben Lopez wrote: > Can JACK be configured to use 2 Delta 1010 cards? I have found documentation for a hack to use multiple SBLive? consumer cards, but I haven't been able to determine whether multiple pro/prosumer cards can be set up - is that possible? > > > Ruben > From ce at christeck.de Sun Feb 5 13:39:19 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Feb 5 13:36:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audiophile usb In-Reply-To: <43E631F1.5060900@yahoo.com> References: <43e5d70c.3a5.2ba4.1366377629@may.ie> <43E631F1.5060900@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200602051939.19306.ce@christeck.de> > Has anyone used the Tascam US-122, it seems to have everything I > need? one of us had one running at last year's audio booth at linuxtag, and he was (and still is) *very* satisfied (Arnold, are you here? ;-) . Best regards ce From ardour at semiosix.com Sun Feb 5 14:32:41 2006 From: ardour at semiosix.com (John Anderson) Date: Sun Feb 5 14:33:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: 192kHz In-Reply-To: <200601291340.46956.tito@rumford.de> References: <200601281411.04701.tito@rumford.de> <20060128154912.GA5193@linux-1> <200601291340.46956.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <1139167962.9033.6.camel@groovious> On Sun, 2006-01-29 at 13:40 +0100, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > fons adriaensen : > > > There are certainly instruments that produce sound well > > above 20 kHz. Now to get 'beats' between two of those > > requires something non-linear - just summing them is not > > enough. Our ears are non-linear at high sound levels, so > > in a real performance this could happen. But I don't > > think it will be noticeable at any sane sound levels. > > Still don't understand the non-linear part here :/ > > I make 2 audio files with 400 and 500 hz sine tones and play > them along (out of ardour). There is clearly audible beat > frequency, a 100 hz hum and harmonics of that. You should also get 900Hz. They're the sum & difference frequencies. Apparently broadcast people called them sidebands? They're also the reason that barbershop quartets get "ringing" chords. I bumped into this page that explains non-linear distortion: http://www.isvr.soton.ac.uk/SPCG/Tutorial/Tutorial/Tutorial_files/Web-hearing-difference.htm bye John From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Sun Feb 5 14:49:19 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Sun Feb 5 14:49:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Using 2 Delta 1010s In-Reply-To: <43E644DB.4030805@findus.dhs.org> Message-ID: <200625114919.191251@rk-recp3> On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:32:59 +0100, Petter Sundl?f was like: >?Do you have two regular 1010 cards, or two 1010LTs? If the latter, >?it's not yet possible. Some changes are pending. >?Otherwise instructions are here; very simple to follow -- just a >?bit of patching needed: > >?http://www.sound-man.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html I have the regular 1010s with the BOBs. This is exactly what I was looking for - thanks. Ruben > >?Ruben Lopez wrote: >>?Can JACK be configured to use 2 Delta 1010 cards? I have found >>?documentation for a hack to use multiple SBLive? consumer cards, >>?but I haven't been able to determine whether multiple >>?pro/prosumer cards can be set up - is that possible? From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Sun Feb 5 15:07:34 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Petter_Sundl=F6f?=) Date: Sun Feb 5 15:07:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Using 2 Delta 1010s In-Reply-To: <200625114919.191251@rk-recp3> References: <200625114919.191251@rk-recp3> Message-ID: <43E65B06.3090301@findus.dhs.org> You might also want to check the alsa-devel archives, specifically mails from John Rigg and Doug McLain, keywords ice1712 and delta. Ruben Lopez wrote: > On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:32:59 +0100, Petter Sundl?f was like: > >> Do you have two regular 1010 cards, or two 1010LTs? If the latter, >> it's not yet possible. Some changes are pending. >> Otherwise instructions are here; very simple to follow -- just a >> bit of patching needed: >> >> http://www.sound-man.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html > > > > I have the regular 1010s with the BOBs. This is exactly what I was looking for - thanks. > > > Ruben > > > > >> Ruben Lopez wrote: >> >>> Can JACK be configured to use 2 Delta 1010 cards? I have found >>> documentation for a hack to use multiple SBLive? consumer cards, >>> but I haven't been able to determine whether multiple >>> pro/prosumer cards can be set up - is that possible? > > From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Feb 5 15:14:48 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Feb 5 15:12:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music Message-ID: <20060205201448.1849b994@localhost> OK, I guess it's put-up or shut-up time. I've put a couple of tracks on www.folderol.ukfsn.org They are quite different to what I've seen on here. I hope you like them. I'll put more on when either I get a decent soundcard or can change the instruments to use ZynAddSubFX voices. -- F From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sun Feb 5 15:34:57 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Sun Feb 5 15:28:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: 192kHz In-Reply-To: <1139167962.9033.6.camel@groovious> References: <200601281411.04701.tito@rumford.de> <20060128154912.GA5193@linux-1> <200601291340.46956.tito@rumford.de> <1139167962.9033.6.camel@groovious> Message-ID: <20060205203457.GA4740@linux-1> On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 09:32:41PM +0200, John Anderson wrote: > On Sun, 2006-01-29 at 13:40 +0100, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > > I make 2 audio files with 400 and 500 hz sine tones and play > > them along (out of ardour). There is clearly audible beat > > frequency, a 100 hz hum and harmonics of that. > > You should also get 900Hz. They're the sum & difference frequencies. > Apparently broadcast people called them sidebands? They are called sidebands if one frequency (the 'carrier') is a radio frequency (e.g. 648 kHz - BBC world), and the other represents the information to be transmitted (e.g. audio frequencies). > They're also the reason that barbershop quartets get "ringing" chords. Could you explain what you mean by that ? -- FA From mr at ramendik.ru Sun Feb 5 15:37:33 2006 From: mr at ramendik.ru (Mikhail Ramendik) Date: Sun Feb 5 15:37:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Noise gate (or something else?) Message-ID: <200602052337.33453.mr@ramendik.ru> Hello, I desperately need a noise gate, or something else to remove breathing sounds. Could anyone help me find one? I am recording using Audacity 1.2.3 from a rather simple microphone, and breathing sounds are clearly heard when the speaker inhales air; from the look of the graph, it seems that a simple noise gate would remove them. But I could not find a noise gate in Audacity 1.2.3... Is there any program, including a plugin for or later version of Audacity, taht would do noise gating? Or perhaps there is a better way to remove the sounds? (There is a Noise Removal plugin, but might it not affect the voice itself?) -- Yours, Mikhail Ramendik From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Feb 5 15:49:11 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Feb 5 15:49:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <200602051449.39962.woho@woho.de> References: <200602051449.39962.woho@woho.de> Message-ID: <1139172552.2791.153.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 14:49 +0100, Wolfgang Hoffmann wrote: > As mentioned by Dana, I've added a howto for rtprio-aware PAM on > Dapper to his > wiki at > http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Rlimits-Aware_PAM_with_Dapper Rlimits-Aware PAM with Dapper >From The Ubuntu Studio Project (There is currently no text in this page) From v2 at iki.fi Sun Feb 5 15:49:18 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Sun Feb 5 15:49:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Noise gate (or something else?) In-Reply-To: <200602052337.33453.mr@ramendik.ru> References: <200602052337.33453.mr@ramendik.ru> Message-ID: <1139172558.3803.11.camel@puppeli> On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 23:37 +0300, Mikhail Ramendik wrote: > Hello, > > I desperately need a noise gate, or something else to remove breathing sounds. > Could anyone help me find one? There is a ladspa plugin called: "Gate" by Steve Harris. It's available in the swh-plugins package. But .. > I am recording using Audacity 1.2.3 from a rather simple microphone, and > breathing sounds are clearly heard when the speaker inhales air; from the > look of the graph, it seems that a simple noise gate would remove them. But I > could not find a noise gate in Audacity 1.2.3... .. setting up a gate in audacity is painstaking as you can't do it in realtime. You need to try some parameters, listen to what happened, undo and reiterate until you found the right parameters. I suggest using Ardour for this task. If you really want to use audacity, you can also do this with jack-rack and a jackified wave editor like mhwaveedit or rezound. Also, some versions of audacity are jack aware, but you still need to run the effect outside of audacity because the lack of non-realtime effects. > Is there any program, including a plugin for or later version of Audacity, > taht would do noise gating? > > Or perhaps there is a better way to remove the sounds? (There is a Noise > Removal plugin, but might it not affect the voice itself?) Noise removal is a totally different beast. What you want is a gate. When gating the signal though, i suggest that after finding the right parameters for the gate to work correctly, try making the gate a "soft" gate via the "Range" parameter. Breathing noise might be irritating at a level, but vocals without breathing might sound unnatural. -- Sampo Savolainen From qb at f2s.com Sun Feb 5 16:02:02 2006 From: qb at f2s.com (Q) Date: Sun Feb 5 16:02:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Noise gate (or something else?) In-Reply-To: <200602052337.33453.mr@ramendik.ru> References: <200602052337.33453.mr@ramendik.ru> Message-ID: <43E667CA.4080104@f2s.com> Mikhail Ramendik wrote: >Hello, > >I desperately need a noise gate, or something else to remove breathing sounds. >Could anyone help me find one? > >I am recording using Audacity 1.2.3 from a rather simple microphone, and >breathing sounds are clearly heard when the speaker inhales air; from the >look of the graph, it seems that a simple noise gate would remove them. But I >could not find a noise gate in Audacity 1.2.3... > >Is there any program, including a plugin for or later version of Audacity, >taht would do noise gating? > >Or perhaps there is a better way to remove the sounds? (There is a Noise >Removal plugin, but might it not affect the voice itself?) > > > Another way to do it would be to select the part of the waveform that is breath noise and then from the Generate menu select "Silence" and that part of the waveform will be removed. Zooming in would help you select the breath noise more accurately to ensure that you didn't remove any of the speech. Q From qb at f2s.com Sun Feb 5 16:16:23 2006 From: qb at f2s.com (Q) Date: Sun Feb 5 16:16:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060205201448.1849b994@localhost> References: <20060205201448.1849b994@localhost> Message-ID: <43E66B27.8000803@f2s.com> Folderol wrote: >OK, I guess it's put-up or shut-up time. > >I've put a couple of tracks on www.folderol.ukfsn.org They are quite >different to what I've seen on here. I hope you like them. > >I'll put more on when either I get a decent soundcard or can change the >instruments to use ZynAddSubFX voices. > > Thanks for sharing, I really liked them. They brought to mind early JMJ. The percussion in The Crystal Ship could possibly be described as sounding "cheesy" (but then so was Jarre's!) but it seems to me to fit the music perfectly. I think more "natural" sounding percussion might sound a little too harsh and wouldn't sit in the arrangement nearly as well. Q From mr at ramendik.ru Sun Feb 5 16:25:53 2006 From: mr at ramendik.ru (Mikhail Ramendik) Date: Sun Feb 5 16:26:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Noise gate (or something else?) In-Reply-To: <1139172558.3803.11.camel@puppeli> References: <200602052337.33453.mr@ramendik.ru> <1139172558.3803.11.camel@puppeli> Message-ID: <200602060025.53381.mr@ramendik.ru> ? ????????? ?? 5 ??????? 2006 23:49 Sampo Savolainen ???????(a): > > I desperately need a noise gate, or something else to remove breathing > > sounds. Could anyone help me find one? > > There is a ladspa plugin called: "Gate" by Steve Harris. It's available > in the swh-plugins package. But .. OK, that would be fine. Is there a HOWTO on installing LADSPA plugins for use with Audacity available somewhere? > > I am recording using Audacity 1.2.3 from a rather simple microphone, and > > breathing sounds are clearly heard when the speaker inhales air; from the > > look of the graph, it seems that a simple noise gate would remove them. > > But I could not find a noise gate in Audacity 1.2.3... > > ... setting up a gate in audacity is painstaking as you can't do it in > realtime. No problem. In fact I prefer the Audacity way of doing it. We're doing a voice recording, not a concert, so having many tries is good. > If you really want to use audacity, you can also do this with jack-rack Definitely don't want to go there. Jack setup is a major hassle; with no realtime need, I don't see why it would be worth the time. > When gating the signal though, i suggest that after finding the right > parameters for the gate to work correctly, try making the gate a "soft" > gate via the "Range" parameter. Breathing noise might be irritating at a > level, but vocals without breathing might sound unnatural. Agreed. Audacity giver many tries so it's easy. -- Yours, Mikhail Ramendik From woho at woho.de Sun Feb 5 17:02:19 2006 From: woho at woho.de (Wolfgang Hoffmann) Date: Sun Feb 5 17:01:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1139172552.2791.153.camel@mindpipe> References: <200602051449.39962.woho@woho.de> <1139172552.2791.153.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200602052302.19141.woho@woho.de> On Sunday 05 February 2006 21:49, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 14:49 +0100, Wolfgang Hoffmann wrote: > > As mentioned by Dana, I've added a howto for rtprio-aware PAM on > > Dapper to his > > wiki at > > http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Rlimits-Aware_PAM_with_Dapper > > Rlimits-Aware PAM with Dapper > > >From The Ubuntu Studio Project > > (There is currently no text in this page) Sorry for the trouble, seems like the page got moved to http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Devel:Rlimits-Aware_PAM The link at the bottom of the Dapper Notes page brought me there Wolfgang From dana at ubuntustudio.com Sun Feb 5 17:32:29 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Sun Feb 5 17:32:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <200602052302.19141.woho@woho.de> References: <200602051449.39962.woho@woho.de> <1139172552.2791.153.camel@mindpipe> <200602052302.19141.woho@woho.de> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602051432k6930448ewf460cceaa4ff4cda@mail.gmail.com> On 2/5/06, Wolfgang Hoffmann wrote: > On Sunday 05 February 2006 21:49, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 14:49 +0100, Wolfgang Hoffmann wrote: > > > As mentioned by Dana, I've added a howto for rtprio-aware PAM on > > > Dapper to his > > > wiki at > > > http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Rlimits-Aware_PAM_with_Dapper > > > > Rlimits-Aware PAM with Dapper > > > > >From The Ubuntu Studio Project > > > > (There is currently no text in this page) > > Sorry for the trouble, seems like the page got moved to > http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Devel:Rlimits-Aware_PAM > > The link at the bottom of the Dapper Notes page brought me there > > Wolfgang Yes, sorry about that. I promise I won't do much more changes like this that breaks links. I just added in namespaces for Breezy, Dapper, and Devel and I ended up deleting all the redirects too for the sake of cleanliness... Sorry for the confusion. Dana From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Sun Feb 5 17:56:01 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Sun Feb 5 17:56:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture v0.2.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: (Sorry for all the double-postings. I have no idea why that happens.) ABOUT ----- jack_capture is a small simple program to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers into a file. This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no one made. So here it is. CHANGES ------- 0.2.1 -> 0.2.2: *Only connect/disconnect ports if its necessary. This puts less stress on the jack system and avoids possible never ending connect/reconnecting loops. *Replaced the timemachine-way of automatically setting filename by a much simpler one. Now the autogenerated filename is just jack_capture_.wav: jack_capture_1.wav, jack_capture_2.wav, jack_capture_3.wav and so on. *If jack is shut down during recording, stop the recording properly. *Various smaller changes. http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetism/src/ From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 18:11:58 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Feb 5 18:12:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <20060205163533.14684.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060205171832.01105be6@mango.fruits.de> <20060205163533.14684.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > > > > What other tools ? > > > Loki Davison and another guy mentioned "om" > > earlier in this thread, and > > > I wonder whether it makes JACK Rack obsolete. > > > > > > See http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/ . > > > > No, > > > > while om-synth can do all that jack-rack can do, it > > takes a little more > > work for the user to do so. jack-rack's advantage is > > its simple > > straightforward approach to a common need. And > > om-synth's advantage is > > its power :) IMHO they can very happily coexist. As i said originally, om is big and powerful with it's standard gui. The engine however is very light weight and i would be unshocked if it were lighter than jack rack and more stable. So there may be demand for a simple performance related gui for om (maybe called jack rack 2). More complex patch editing can be done in the om_gtk or the python, supercollider, etc bindings. Engine and gui are not bound in any way, so it's not very difficult to write another gui. You could even make it load jack-rack files. Loki From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Sun Feb 5 17:56:01 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Sun Feb 5 18:21:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Jackit-devel] [ANN] jack_capture v0.2.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: (Sorry for all the double-postings. I have no idea why that happens.) ABOUT ----- jack_capture is a small simple program to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers into a file. This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no one made. So here it is. CHANGES ------- 0.2.1 -> 0.2.2: *Only connect/disconnect ports if its necessary. This puts less stress on the jack system and avoids possible never ending connect/reconnecting loops. *Replaced the timemachine-way of automatically setting filename by a much simpler one. Now the autogenerated filename is just jack_capture_.wav: jack_capture_1.wav, jack_capture_2.wav, jack_capture_3.wav and so on. *If jack is shut down during recording, stop the recording properly. *Various smaller changes. http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetism/src/ ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. 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From n.beuermann at web.de Sun Feb 5 18:50:56 2006 From: n.beuermann at web.de (Nicolai Beuermann) Date: Sun Feb 5 18:51:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audiophile usb In-Reply-To: <43E631F1.5060900@yahoo.com> References: <43e5d70c.3a5.2ba4.1366377629@may.ie> <43E631F1.5060900@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200602060050.56487.n.beuermann@web.de> > Has anyone used the Tascam US-122, it seems to have everything I need? It runs here. On a 2.6.14.6-rt, alsa 1.0.10-r2, gentoo. Min Latency I get on a Laptop with Intel 82801DB/DBL/DBM Usb Controller is 10.7msecs. ( /usr/bin/jackd -R -P60 -p64 -r48000 -p128 -n4 ) It works like it should. I like the mic preamps. Nico -- Nicolai Beuermann mailto:mail@nico-beuermann.de -- mailto: n.beuermann@web.de From mr at ramendik.ru Sun Feb 5 19:25:12 2006 From: mr at ramendik.ru (Mikhail Ramendik) Date: Sun Feb 5 19:25:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gate from swh-plugins Message-ID: <200602060325.13178.mr@ramendik.ru> Hello, I am now using the Gate plugin from swh-plugins as a noise gate. Thanks, Sampo Savolinen! However, there is one thing I don't understand in its behaviour, and I'd like to chnge that of possible. When immediately after a useful (and loud) sound a noise period (below the threshold) starts, the noise is heard for an audible fraction of a second before the gate closes.I have lowered Delay and Hold, but this does not seem to help. Is there a way to make it destroy such noise "tails" after sounds? -- Yours, Mikhail Ramendik From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sun Feb 5 19:35:31 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sun Feb 5 19:26:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060205201448.1849b994@localhost> References: <20060205201448.1849b994@localhost> Message-ID: <20060206003530.GF12630@phlunky.Belkin> On Sun, 05 Feb, 2006 at 08:14PM +0000, Folderol spake thus: > OK, I guess it's put-up or shut-up time. > > I've put a couple of tracks on www.folderol.ukfsn.org They are quite > different to what I've seen on here. I hope you like them. > > I'll put more on when either I get a decent soundcard or can change the > instruments to use ZynAddSubFX voices. Ohhhh, they're nice. Reflections is great, and Crystal has that brilliant tongue-in-cheek sound. I really like the instruments, but personally I'd like to hear parts in something a little harsher. They all sound so clean and glassy, sometimes they blend a little too well. And, since you asked for suggestions, have you ever heard of Tipper? I'm thinking of the Critical Path album. His beats are beautiful and something along those lines would really suit this music. The usual disclaimer, of course: This is all just my opinion. I feel kinda bad about saying any of this, because I really like these tracks. But, I personally crave feedback and suggestions, so I try and give people what I would want. James > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sun Feb 5 19:37:39 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sun Feb 5 19:37:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture v0.2.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E69A53.6040003@poeticstudios.com> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > (Sorry for all the double-postings. I have no idea why that happens.) > > ABOUT > ----- > jack_capture is a small simple program to capture whatever > sound is going out to your speakers into a file. > > This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no > one made. So here it is. > > > CHANGES > ------- > 0.2.1 -> 0.2.2: > *Only connect/disconnect ports if its necessary. This puts less > stress on the jack system > and avoids possible never ending connect/reconnecting loops. > *Replaced the timemachine-way of automatically setting filename by a > much simpler one. Now the > autogenerated filename is just jack_capture_.wav: > jack_capture_1.wav, jack_capture_2.wav, > jack_capture_3.wav and so on. > *If jack is shut down during recording, stop the recording properly. > *Various smaller changes. > > > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetism/src/ > Please! :-) Explain me why have you removed the option to choose the filename? It worked and it was useful. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From seablaede at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 20:13:49 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sun Feb 5 20:11:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Sampler Download Message-ID: <43E6A2CD.90502@gmail.com> Hmm I just checked the links on the server and the files were MIA apparently, both stable and unstable snapshots. Just wondering if there was another location I might be able to download these from? Actually if anyone knows of some precompiled mac binaries that would be great for me, but I wasnt betting on that one happening;) Also does anyone know the dependencies I would need to install on the Mac for this? Seablade From jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com Sun Feb 5 21:56:08 2006 From: jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham) Date: Sun Feb 5 22:10:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060205201448.1849b994@localhost> References: <20060205201448.1849b994@localhost> Message-ID: <20060206025608.GF6535@chicagoguitar.com> On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 08:14:48PM +0000, Folderol wrote: > OK, I guess it's put-up or shut-up time. > > I've put a couple of tracks on www.folderol.ukfsn.org They are quite > different to what I've seen on here. I hope you like them. The first one "Reflections" sounded like a soundtrack to some RPG game. I keep thinking its going to explode and become like a heavy action scene. Its kind of ambient or environmental in a way. That may be because of the reverb. Don't get me wrong it is good for what it is. Every composition has a time and a place where it useful. I see it as maybe a child dreaming or some peacefully scene at the end of a RPG of sorts of something. The second piece "The Crystal Ship" kind of reminded me of something Raymond Scott would do. http://raymondscott.com/ It is simple and has a bubbly commercial quality to it. It could be a commercial jingle maybe. Jeremiah > > I'll put more on when either I get a decent soundcard or can change the > instruments to use ZynAddSubFX voices. > > > -- > F From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Sun Feb 5 23:10:25 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Sun Feb 5 23:10:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture v0.2.2 Message-ID: Cesare Marilungo: > Please! :-) > Explain me why have you removed the option to choose the filename? It > worked and it was useful. I didn't. I just removed the necessity to write "-d" or "--file" before the filename. :-) "jack_capture file.wav" records to the file called "file.wav". From reuben.m at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 00:00:17 2006 From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin) Date: Mon Feb 6 00:00:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: 192kHz In-Reply-To: <1138286109.4214.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1138286109.4214.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 1/26/06, Paul Davis wrote: > On Thu, 2006-01-26 at 23:34 +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > On 1/26/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've been planning to buy an RME MultiFace sound adapter for quite some > > > time now, but now I see all these 192kHz devices on the market. > > > > > > My question, how useful is 192kHz for practical purposes? How quickly is > > > that likely to change? I'd really appreciate some advice here, thank you. > > > > > > Carlo > > > > > > > Similar to 96 khz. Totally useless. What do you think the frequency > > although i agree about 192, 96 does have one distinct benefit. the > higher the SR, the easier it is to make a really nice brickwall filter > that sits in front of the A/D converters to prevent aliasing. the > transition from the 40,000 range to the 90,000 range for SR makes a lot > of difference to the qualities of this filter, and i believe that this > can have a detectable (i.e. double blind detectable) effort on tonal > quality *in ideal listening circumstances*. whether this makes any > difference in the contexts in which 99% of the population hears your > work .... seems doubtful. > > and once again, please recall that the most of greatest recordings of > the last 50 years were almost done on technology whose "sound quality" > would generally be laughed at today. > > --p > The latest issue of TapeOp (issue #51) has an interview with one of the developers of the Apogee units in the "Behind the Gear" section that addresses this question quite well. It's a very good read. To summarize the main points are: 1) High sampling rates are basically a waste EXCEPT for the fact that it improves the aliasing of filters (as Paul noted) and offers better quality of DSP processing. 2) 24 bit offers excellent dynamic range, but anything beyond that is silly since it would far exceed the dynamic range of the human ear. 3) an excellent clock (like Big Ben or M-Clock) will improve your sound quality more than anything. The section on the unique type of dithering he uses was interesting as well. -Reuben From reuben.m at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 00:15:48 2006 From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin) Date: Mon Feb 6 00:15:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gate from swh-plugins In-Reply-To: <200602060325.13178.mr@ramendik.ru> References: <200602060325.13178.mr@ramendik.ru> Message-ID: On 2/5/06, Mikhail Ramendik wrote: > Hello, > > I am now using the Gate plugin from swh-plugins as a noise gate. Thanks, Sampo > Savolinen! > > However, there is one thing I don't understand in its behaviour, and I'd like > to chnge that of possible. When immediately after a useful (and loud) sound a > noise period (below the threshold) starts, the noise is heard for an audible > fraction of a second before the gate closes.I have lowered Delay and Hold, > but this does not seem to help. Is there a way to make it destroy such noise > "tails" after sounds? This gate plugin is modeled after an analog gate. With analog gates it is impossible to set your delay or attack to absolute 0. Since this plugin is modeled to emulate this type of gate, it also does not let you go down to absolute 0. Try using the Simple Expander from the CMT plugins, or if you must, the Hard Gate, also from the CMT plugins. (The Hard Gate is very harsh and ugly sounding) -Reuben > > -- > Yours, Mikhail Ramendik > > From S.W.Harris at ecs.soton.ac.uk Mon Feb 6 03:50:16 2006 From: S.W.Harris at ecs.soton.ac.uk (Steve Harris) Date: Mon Feb 6 03:50:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gate from swh-plugins In-Reply-To: References: <200602060325.13178.mr@ramendik.ru> Message-ID: <20060206085016.GB28747@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 11:15:48 -0600, Reuben Martin wrote: > On 2/5/06, Mikhail Ramendik wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am now using the Gate plugin from swh-plugins as a noise gate. Thanks, Sampo > > Savolinen! > > > > However, there is one thing I don't understand in its behaviour, and I'd like > > to chnge that of possible. When immediately after a useful (and loud) sound a > > noise period (below the threshold) starts, the noise is heard for an audible > > fraction of a second before the gate closes.I have lowered Delay and Hold, > > but this does not seem to help. Is there a way to make it destroy such noise > > "tails" after sounds? > > This gate plugin is modeled after an analog gate. With analog gates it > is impossible to set your delay or attack to absolute 0. Since this > plugin is modeled to emulate this type of gate, it also does not let > you go down to absolute 0. Try using the Simple Expander from the CMT > plugins, or if you must, the Hard Gate, also from the CMT plugins. > (The Hard Gate is very harsh and ugly sounding) Yes, exactly. A project for anyone who wants to get into plugin writing - add a small controllable delay to the output of that plugin so that tails can be cut off. - Steve From julien at c-lab.de Mon Feb 6 04:26:35 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon Feb 6 04:26:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Sampler Download In-Reply-To: <43E6A2CD.90502@gmail.com> References: <43E6A2CD.90502@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi! I'm not especially sure about mac, but under linux I'd say you need a pthread library (glibc-package libpthread.so) and jack. You'd also need the libs coming with linuxsampler liblscp and libgig, of course. Besides that you'd probably need something for a GUI, if you plan to use one. That might be a simple x-environment and perhaps some standard socket or networking library. If you already have some native-linux software installed on you mac, you should have those. HTH, if not anyone there to correct me me? Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From clemens at ladisch.de Mon Feb 6 04:36:05 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon Feb 6 04:36:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1139089005.43e51e6df05e3@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1139089005.43e51e6df05e3@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <20060206093605.GD5239@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> jmacdermott@dopd.com wrote: > I have read a little bit about the support for M-Audio stuff under Alsa using > some non-opensource drivers, Many M-Audio USB devices require a firmware download before they can be used with the (standard) driver. See . > but I was wondering if anyone who has used this (or a similar M-Audio > USB MIDI controller) can recommend it to me? Controllers from Edirol or Evolution (the latter was bought by M-Audio) work out of the box. HTH Clemens From clemens at ladisch.de Mon Feb 6 04:37:31 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon Feb 6 04:38:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audiophile usb In-Reply-To: References: <43e4ed6f.1aa.6c06.807534334@may.ie> <43E4F254.8040500@yahoo.com> <200602041937.57837.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20060206093731.GE5239@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> Josh Lawrence wrote: > Does MIDI work out of the box with the UA-25 as well? Yes. HTH Clemens From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Mon Feb 6 05:04:37 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Mon Feb 6 05:04:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Linux Sampler Download In-Reply-To: <20060206050027.D23F650B98E@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060206050027.D23F650B98E@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <43E71F35.10202@rumoridifondo.com> i was trying to download linux sampler too and i had the same problems. so i wrote to christian schoenebeck (his email is on linuxsampler site) and i told me that actually some downloads doesn't work. i told me that the best repository from where download linuxsampler is cvs. bye emanuele > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Oggetto: > [linux-audio-user] Linux Sampler Download > Da: > Thomas Vecchione > Data: > Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:13:49 -0500 > A: > Linux Audio Users Mailing List > > A: > Linux Audio Users Mailing List > > > Hmm I just checked the links on the server and the files were MIA > apparently, both stable and unstable snapshots. Just wondering if > there was another location I might be able to download these from? > Actually if anyone knows of some precompiled mac binaries that would > be great for me, but I wasnt betting on that one happening;) > > Also does anyone know the dependencies I would need to install on the > Mac for this? > > > Seablade > From carotinobg at yahoo.it Mon Feb 6 05:50:39 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Mon Feb 6 05:50:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Noise gate (or something else?) In-Reply-To: <200602060025.53381.mr@ramendik.ru> References: <200602052337.33453.mr@ramendik.ru> <1139172558.3803.11.camel@puppeli> <200602060025.53381.mr@ramendik.ru> Message-ID: <200602061150.39296.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 22:25, domenica 5 febbraio 2006, Mikhail Ramendik ha scritto: > OK, that would be fine. Is there a HOWTO on installing LADSPA plugins for > use with Audacity available somewhere? I think you only need to install the plugins, and audacity finds them automatically, as long as they are in /usr/local/lib/ladspa or /usr/lib/ladspa Byez! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: chiama da PC a telefono a tariffe esclusive http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From leslie.polzer at gmx.net Mon Feb 6 07:37:38 2006 From: leslie.polzer at gmx.net (leslie.polzer@gmx.net) Date: Mon Feb 6 07:38:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: References: <20060205171832.01105be6@mango.fruits.de> <20060205163533.14684.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060206123738.GA12764@wintermute> Hello Loki, On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 10:11:58AM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > As i said originally, om is big and powerful with it's standard gui. > The engine however is very light weight Also in terms of dependencies? > if it were lighter than jack rack and more stable. Don't forget that we are talking about a complete rewrite of JACK Rack 1 (which is quite stable in its own right). Leslie -- gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0x52D70289 http://nic-nac-project.de/~skypher/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060206/3189b395/attachment-0001.bin From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 08:17:06 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Feb 6 08:17:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <20060206123738.GA12764@wintermute> References: <20060205171832.01105be6@mango.fruits.de> <20060205163533.14684.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060206123738.GA12764@wintermute> Message-ID: On 2/6/06, leslie.polzer@gmx.net wrote: > > Hello Loki, > > On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 10:11:58AM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > > As i said originally, om is big and powerful with it's standard gui. > > The engine however is very light weight > > Also in terms of dependencies? > > > if it were lighter than jack rack and more stable. > > Don't forget that we are talking about a complete rewrite of JACK Rack 1 > (which is quite stable in its own right). > > Leslie > > -- > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0x52D70289 > http://nic-nac-project.de/~skypher/ > > >From the om site. The Om engine (which can be built by itself) requires: Liblo 0.22 and above Jack 0.99 and above. And can optionally use: Alsa sequencer DSSI LADSPA It would also be great for overworked Dave to get some help ;-) Loki From core at jacklab.net Mon Feb 6 09:10:59 2006 From: core at jacklab.net (Michael Bohle) Date: Mon Feb 6 09:11:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: References: <20060205171832.01105be6@mango.fruits.de> <20060205163533.14684.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060206123738.GA12764@wintermute> Message-ID: <1139235060.6023.8.camel@jacklab.metanet> > >From the om site. > > The Om engine (which can be built by itself) requires: > Liblo 0.22 and above > Jack 0.99 and above. > And can optionally use: > Alsa sequencer > DSSI > LADSPA > > It would also be great for overworked Dave to get some help ;-) > > Loki Hmmm, om dosn`t work without lash, and lash dosn't work on my system. (conn_mgr_start: could not look up service name: Servname not supported for ai_socktype loader_run: server closed socket; exiting) JackRack working simple and clean. om is not an option for me. ++ for JackRack2 From S.W.Harris at ecs.soton.ac.uk Mon Feb 6 09:20:55 2006 From: S.W.Harris at ecs.soton.ac.uk (Steve Harris) Date: Mon Feb 6 09:21:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <1139235060.6023.8.camel@jacklab.metanet> References: <20060205171832.01105be6@mango.fruits.de> <20060205163533.14684.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060206123738.GA12764@wintermute> <1139235060.6023.8.camel@jacklab.metanet> Message-ID: <20060206142055.GD32441@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 03:10:59PM +0100, Michael Bohle wrote: > Hmmm, om dosn`t work without lash, and lash dosn't work on my system. > (conn_mgr_start: could not look up service name: Servname not supported > for ai_socktype > loader_run: server closed socket; exiting) Check your /etc/services entry, looks like its got a typo, or it's missing. - Steve From t_w_ at freenet.de Mon Feb 6 09:33:11 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Mon Feb 6 09:33:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <1139235060.6023.8.camel@jacklab.metanet> References: <20060205171832.01105be6@mango.fruits.de> <20060205163533.14684.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060206123738.GA12764@wintermute> <1139235060.6023.8.camel@jacklab.metanet> Message-ID: <20060206143311.GA6754@charly.SWORD> On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 03:10:59PM +0100, Michael Bohle wrote: > > Hmmm, om dosn`t work without lash, and lash dosn't work on my system. > (conn_mgr_start: could not look up service name: Servname not supported > for ai_socktype > loader_run: server closed socket; exiting) lash is an option, not a requirement for om. --- Thorsten Wilms From d_baron at 012.net.il Mon Feb 6 09:47:32 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Mon Feb 6 09:47:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE: RTC !?? Message-ID: <200602061647.32341.d_baron@012.net.il> >This has been in my /etc/modules from the start. For a while now, (most >recent?) 2.6 kernels, this will not load "device not found". Since it did not >seem to effect anything, I just let it be. (Note I have both a rtc.ko and >rtcgen.ko in my kernel's modules.) >Finally, an app kicked! Playing with the latest Dynebolic 1.4.1 running in >Qemu (1.1 ran very nicely without complaint), I got a non-fatal error message >unable to set rtc to some parameter 1024. It suggested running in a 2.6 host >kernel (2.6.15 at your service!) or echoing 1024 into a file on some /proc >subdirectory (I have no such subdirectory in /proc). More ... I started /etc/module-ing rtc for use with lmsensors. The kernel config file lists this as a "USB watchdog card". Maybe just because it is listed in this group. Genrtc is a "generic" rtc driver for one who lacks this hardware capability. As rtc used to work (or at least modprobe), I apparently have it. Saw something interestic in my logchecks: kernel: Generic RTD Driver v1.07 If I take this one off, the "real" one will modprobe :-) Question is, who is loading genrtc BEFORE /etc/modules gets referenced? Actually, I tried commenting it there and ... the error message remains so something, somewhere is trying to load BOTH of them! Anyone know anything about this? From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Mon Feb 6 09:50:33 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Petter_Sundl=F6f?=) Date: Mon Feb 6 09:50:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <20060206123738.GA12764@wintermute> References: <20060205171832.01105be6@mango.fruits.de> <20060205163533.14684.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060206123738.GA12764@wintermute> Message-ID: <43E76239.9000500@findus.dhs.org> One thing I'd like to see (beside multi-channel outputs) in JACK Rack 2 is support of LADSPA RDF files, so that for example with TAP Reverberator, JACK Rack 2 will show the type of reverbs properly in a drop down list, instead of a slider with only numbers. From core at jacklab.net Mon Feb 6 09:51:59 2006 From: core at jacklab.net (Michael Bohle) Date: Mon Feb 6 09:52:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <20060206143311.GA6754@charly.SWORD> References: <20060205171832.01105be6@mango.fruits.de> <20060205163533.14684.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060206123738.GA12764@wintermute> <1139235060.6023.8.camel@jacklab.metanet> <20060206143311.GA6754@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <1139237519.6352.6.camel@jacklab.metanet> Am Montag, den 06.02.2006, 15:33 +0100 schrieb Thorsten Wilms: > On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 03:10:59PM +0100, Michael Bohle wrote: > > > > Hmmm, om dosn`t work without lash, and lash dosn't work on my system. > > (conn_mgr_start: could not look up service name: Servname not supported > > for ai_socktype > > loader_run: server closed socket; exiting) > > lash is an option, not a requirement for om. > > > --- > Thorsten Wilms Ok I see. But om dosn't start (I thought I was a prob with lash) If I call om_gtk: om_gtk [StateManager] Unable to open settings file /home/metasymbol/.omgtkrc [Main] No engine URL specified. Attempting to use osc.udp://localhost:16180 [OSCController] Started OSC listener on port 16601 [OSCController] Attempting to contact engine at osc.udp://localhost:16180/ ...................... ................................................. ................................................. ........................................ (never ending) any idea? Michael From mis at artengine.ca Mon Feb 6 10:07:27 2006 From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta) Date: Mon Feb 6 10:06:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <1139237519.6352.6.camel@jacklab.metanet> References: <20060205171832.01105be6@mango.fruits.de> <20060205163533.14684.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060206123738.GA12764@wintermute> <1139235060.6023.8.camel@jacklab.metanet> <20060206143311.GA6754@charly.SWORD> <1139237519.6352.6.camel@jacklab.metanet> Message-ID: <86irrsfrv4.fsf@localhost.localdomain> Michael Bohle writes: > But om dosn't start (I thought I was a prob with lash) > If I call om_gtk: > > om_gtk > [StateManager] Unable to open settings file /home/metasymbol/.omgtkrc > [Main] No engine URL specified. Attempting to use > osc.udp://localhost:16180 > [OSCController] Started OSC listener on port 16601 > [OSCController] Attempting to contact engine at > osc.udp://localhost:16180/ ...................... > ................................................. > ................................................. > ........................................ > (never ending) > > any idea? > > Michael You need to start the engine first (make sure you run jackd): om & om_gtk ./MiS From core at jacklab.net Mon Feb 6 10:10:28 2006 From: core at jacklab.net (Michael Bohle) Date: Mon Feb 6 10:10:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <20060206142055.GD32441@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <20060205171832.01105be6@mango.fruits.de> <20060205163533.14684.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060206123738.GA12764@wintermute> <1139235060.6023.8.camel@jacklab.metanet> <20060206142055.GD32441@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1139238628.6352.18.camel@jacklab.metanet> Hi Steve, > > Hmmm, om dosn`t work without lash, and lash dosn't work on my system. > > (conn_mgr_start: could not look up service name: Servname not supported > > for ai_socktype > > loader_run: server closed socket; exiting) > > Check your /etc/services entry, looks like its got a typo, or it's missing. > > - Steve I found some very rare info and editing the /etc/services with this entre: # A try for lashd lashd 16180/tcp # LASH client/server protocol I'm not a network administrator and the /etc/services is very huge... Thx Michael From core at jacklab.net Mon Feb 6 10:16:58 2006 From: core at jacklab.net (Michael Bohle) Date: Mon Feb 6 10:17:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <86irrsfrv4.fsf@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060205171832.01105be6@mango.fruits.de> <20060205163533.14684.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060206123738.GA12764@wintermute> <1139235060.6023.8.camel@jacklab.metanet> <20060206143311.GA6754@charly.SWORD> <1139237519.6352.6.camel@jacklab.metanet> <86irrsfrv4.fsf@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1139239018.6522.1.camel@jacklab.metanet> > You need to start the engine first (make sure you run jackd): Yes now i see, thank you very much. it was an useless .desktop link confusing me. Michael > > om & > om_gtk > > ./MiS > From S.W.Harris at ecs.soton.ac.uk Mon Feb 6 10:49:54 2006 From: S.W.Harris at ecs.soton.ac.uk (Steve Harris) Date: Mon Feb 6 10:50:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <1139238628.6352.18.camel@jacklab.metanet> References: <20060205171832.01105be6@mango.fruits.de> <20060205163533.14684.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060206123738.GA12764@wintermute> <1139235060.6023.8.camel@jacklab.metanet> <20060206142055.GD32441@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <1139238628.6352.18.camel@jacklab.metanet> Message-ID: <20060206154954.GF32441@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 04:10:28PM +0100, Michael Bohle wrote: > Hi Steve, > > > > Hmmm, om dosn`t work without lash, and lash dosn't work on my system. > > > (conn_mgr_start: could not look up service name: Servname not supported > > > for ai_socktype > > > loader_run: server closed socket; exiting) > > > > Check your /etc/services entry, looks like its got a typo, or it's missing. > > > > - Steve > > > I found some very rare info and editing the /etc/services with this > entre: > > # A try for lashd > lashd 16180/tcp # LASH client/server protocol > > I'm not a network administrator and the /etc/services is very huge... Right, your lash package should have added that line, and theres no need for lash to require it at all, but still... - Steve From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Mon Feb 6 10:52:00 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Mon Feb 6 10:52:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] JACK ports Message-ID: <2006267520.477821@winxp1> In JACK, if the number of Maximum Ports is increased, does JACK use more system resources? If not, is there a down side to having a high number of ports? Ruben From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Mon Feb 6 11:18:29 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Mon Feb 6 11:18:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Installing Demudi packages on Debian In-Reply-To: <20060204172911.GA5358@keycorner.org> References: <20060204172911.GA5358@keycorner.org> Message-ID: <200602061618.30678.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 04 February 2006 17:29, Brent Busby was like: > It's occured to me that installing the kernel from Demudi stable on > Debian might be a nice easy way to get all my kernel tweaks without even > needing to recompile. And thanks to the way the kernel and the userland > in Linux are so relatively version independant of one another (something > not so true on other UNIX flavors), that should be quite safe, too. > > It made me wonder though -- since Demudi is built from Debian, what > would be the issues with inporting lots of other packages useful to > musicians as well, while still keeping the system essentially Debian? DeMuDi tweaks affect mostly the audio side of things. A/DeMuDi-1.2.1 includes Xorg, but is completely compatible with sarge. A/DeMuDi-1.3 is roughly compatible with etch, but there are some areas that lack integration - KDE comes to mind. > Do a lot ("a lot" meaning a destabilizing amount) of non-music-related > packages from Debian get superceded by Demudi versions when you add the > Demudi Apt repositories to the sources.list of a sarge machine? Are any > of you currently doing something like that? Just wondering... I have been running A/DeMuDi-1.2.1 on top of sarge for well over a year now, I'm very happy with it. Basic instructions here: http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/InstallApt also check: http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/DocumentsFaq It's useful to set /etc/apt/preferences to prefer DeMuDi packages over Debian sarge. If you're using synaptic you can set this in the preferences dialog once you have updated against the new /etc/apt/sources.list. The DeMuDi packages only relate to multimedia (including Xorg), so you'll find most applications will stay the same. The apt system is pretty clever and you're likely to find that all applications will be useable if you stick to the stable repositories. > I'm sure > that even as there have been many MIDI and recording apps in sarge that > surely would not have gotten there without Demudi, there are probably > still others that either never made it or have newer versions in Demudi > than what sarge gives you. :) > I just don't want to make my system unmaintainable by mixing > distributions like that on a really massive scale though... Once you > get newer versions of really critical things, it can be almost like > committing yourself to running sid/unstable -- no easy way back. If your system becomes unmaintainable from doing this using sources marked 'stable' that would be considered a bug. If you should need further help, you'll probably find the AGNULA user forum friendly and useful. Let us know how you get on. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From dana at ubuntustudio.com Mon Feb 6 11:37:46 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Mon Feb 6 11:37:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20060206093605.GD5239@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <1139089005.43e51e6df05e3@ssl.mecca.ca> <20060206093605.GD5239@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602060837y5ba150acy15c2831e07f16797@mail.gmail.com> On 2/6/06, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > jmacdermott@dopd.com wrote: > > I have read a little bit about the support for M-Audio stuff under Alsa using > > some non-opensource drivers, > > Many M-Audio USB devices require a firmware download before they can be > used with the (standard) driver. See . > > > but I was wondering if anyone who has used this (or a similar M-Audio > > USB MIDI controller) can recommend it to me? > > Controllers from Edirol or Evolution (the latter was bought by M-Audio) > work out of the box. > > > HTH > Clemens > I also bought a Creative/E-MU Xboard49 and it worked right after I plugged it into my USB port, using Ubuntu Breezy. Creative themselves told me it wouldn't work, as well as other posts on mailing lists I saw on the net. Well, someone did some work since then. At that time I only wanted a decent MIDI controller and didn't care about USB. It's just an extra bonus to me that it works. :) Dana From timg at expressmart.com Mon Feb 6 11:45:10 2006 From: timg at expressmart.com (timg) Date: Mon Feb 6 11:41:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audiotrak Maya 44 mkII In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602060837y5ba150acy15c2831e07f16797@mail.gmail.com> References: <1139089005.43e51e6df05e3@ssl.mecca.ca> <20060206093605.GD5239@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> <1b6a07c30602060837y5ba150acy15c2831e07f16797@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E77D16.1000004@expressmart.com> Does this card http://www.audiotrak.net/maya44mk2.htm work in alsa with any standard chip drivers? I have yet to see any solid support information on it.... I have one as well as a delta 44 .. I have one XP audio box and one Linux.. I'd like to have 2 Linux Soon. ;) -- Timothy Alan Gorman Petr-all Petroleum 6567 Kinne rd Dewitt ny 13214 Cell 315 415 8108 Office 315 446 0125 x 126 From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Mon Feb 6 12:13:11 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Mon Feb 6 12:13:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Installing Demudi packages on Debian In-Reply-To: <20060204172911.GA5358@keycorner.org> References: <20060204172911.GA5358@keycorner.org> Message-ID: <200602061713.11702.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 04 February 2006 17:29, Brent Busby was like: > I just don't want to make my system unmaintainable by mixing > distributions like that on a really massive scale though... One further thought. This isn't mixing distributions. DeMuDi is a Custom Debian Distro, which simply provides a Debian install which has been optimised for making music. Just thought I should make that clear. :) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Feb 6 12:22:48 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Feb 6 12:22:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE: RTC !?? In-Reply-To: <200602061647.32341.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <200602061647.32341.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <1139246568.2791.246.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 16:47 +0200, David Baron wrote: > Saw something interestic in my logchecks: > kernel: Generic RTD Driver v1.07 > > If I take this one off, the "real" one will modprobe :-) > Question is, who is loading genrtc BEFORE /etc/modules gets > referenced? > Actually, I tried commenting it there and ... the error message > remains so > something, somewhere is trying to load BOTH of them! > > Anyone know anything about this? You must have enabled it when compiling the kernel. Recompile and make sure it's disabled (it should have been disabled by default). Lee From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Feb 6 13:03:53 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Feb 6 13:01:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] JACK ports In-Reply-To: <2006267520.477821@winxp1> References: <2006267520.477821@winxp1> Message-ID: <1139249033.4696.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 07:52 -0800, Ruben Lopez wrote: > In JACK, if the number of Maximum Ports is increased, does JACK use more system resources? If not, is there a down side to having a high number of ports? it uses more shared memory, yes. each port consumes a relatively small amount (basically period_size * 4 bytes plus a small constant overhead). From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Mon Feb 6 13:29:18 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Mon Feb 6 13:29:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] JACK ports In-Reply-To: <1139249033.4696.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200626102918.775522@RK-Kely> On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:03:53 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: >?On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 07:52 -0800, Ruben Lopez wrote: > >>?In JACK, if the number of Maximum Ports is increased, does JACK >>?use more system resources? If not, is there a down side to having >>?a high number of ports? >> >?it uses more shared memory, yes. each port consumes a relatively >?small amount (basically period_size * 4 bytes plus a small constant >?overhead). So is this overhead enough to make an significant impact on latency, or is it too minimal to worry about? Ruben From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Feb 6 13:40:11 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Feb 6 13:39:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] JACK ports In-Reply-To: <200626102918.775522@RK-Kely> References: <200626102918.775522@RK-Kely> Message-ID: <1139251211.4696.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 10:29 -0800, Ruben Lopez wrote: > On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:03:53 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 07:52 -0800, Ruben Lopez wrote: > > > >> In JACK, if the number of Maximum Ports is increased, does JACK > >> use more system resources? If not, is there a down side to having > >> a high number of ports? > >> > > it uses more shared memory, yes. each port consumes a relatively > > small amount (basically period_size * 4 bytes plus a small constant > > overhead). > > So is this overhead enough to make an significant impact on latency, or is it too minimal to worry about? either you have the physical RAM to support it (likely), in which case it doesn't make a lot of difference. or you don't in which case its a disaster. the more clients you have and the more memory they touch while running, the greater is the overhead of JACK's "independent process" model. the effect is not negligble if you were already close to the limit of the machine, but if you had plenty of headroom already, its not worth worrying about. --p From kevinc at doink.com Mon Feb 6 14:16:07 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:16:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT - Power Amp? Message-ID: <20060206191608.225AF4075@joseph.doink.com> I could ask this question a number of places, but I like you folks. :^) I'm in the market for a ~400W/ch @ 8 Ohms amp to replace my aged, and now broken for the 4th or 5th time, JBL power amp. I've got some experience with QSC amps in band practice settings, and in live performance settings. All I can say is that they never seem to be problematic, and always seem to do their job. I haven't used one in a studio setting. I'd almost just go buy a QSC today, unless someone here would warn me off. I do need an amp quickly as I was just about to mix some ardour recorded music. What advice do you people have? Thanks.... -- Kevin From jri at broadpark.no Mon Feb 6 14:22:52 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:23:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ubuntustudio + ACPI + Jack issues Message-ID: <43E7A20C.4000504@broadpark.no> Hi all, I've just installed Ubuntustudio. It all works great, except after a few minutes I get lots of these message from jack: "delay of 27893.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 21274.000; restart ..." (where the number of usecs are varying). After lots of fiddling and googling I discovered that acpi is probably causing it, and it consequently happens only when acpi is enabled. When acpi is disabled I can push latency down to 2.67 msecs without xrunning nomatter how hard I try....so this is good ;) I've done these tweakings with Breezy, and it happens with all of them: http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Vanilla_Kernel_With_Realtime_Preemption http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Rlimits-Aware_PAM http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Enabling_Preemption It also happened the same way in out-of-the-box Dapper. I'm now on Breezy with the vanilla kernel with preempt patch. My laptop is a Dell Inspiron 8600: http://www.koeniglich.de/dell_8600.html I use Alsa intel8x0 driver, and had no other problems. Jack also worked fine with acpi on other distros like PCLinuxOS, even with the non-mm kernel. I have no idea what to do next, if anyone could give me a clue it'd be appreciated. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.1go.dk/ From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Feb 6 14:27:13 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:27:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <43E66B27.8000803@f2s.com> References: <20060205201448.1849b994@localhost> <43E66B27.8000803@f2s.com> Message-ID: <20060206192713.2934cbb7@localhost> On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:16:23 +0000 Q wrote: > Folderol wrote: > > >OK, I guess it's put-up or shut-up time. > > > >I've put a couple of tracks on www.folderol.ukfsn.org They are quite > >different to what I've seen on here. I hope you like them. > > > >I'll put more on when either I get a decent soundcard or can change the > >instruments to use ZynAddSubFX voices. > > > > > Thanks for sharing, I really liked them. They brought to mind early JMJ. > The percussion in The Crystal Ship could possibly be described as > sounding "cheesy" (but then so was Jarre's!) but it seems to me to fit > the music perfectly. I think more "natural" sounding percussion might > sound a little too harsh and wouldn't sit in the arrangement nearly as well. > > Q Thanks for your comments. It's interesting that you mention Jarre. He was one of my favourite synth composers in the early days - seems to have faded from mainstream view now though :-/ I did warn you about my use of percussion :) -- F From dana at ubuntustudio.com Mon Feb 6 14:30:01 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:30:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ubuntustudio + ACPI + Jack issues In-Reply-To: <43E7A20C.4000504@broadpark.no> References: <43E7A20C.4000504@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602061130g4b608113t1bae5e1b9007f6cd@mail.gmail.com> On 2/6/06, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > Hi all, > > I've just installed Ubuntustudio. It all works great, except after a few > minutes I get lots of these message from jack: > "delay of 27893.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 21274.000; > restart ..." (where the number of usecs are varying). > > After lots of fiddling and googling I discovered that acpi is probably > causing it, and it consequently happens only when acpi is enabled. When > acpi is disabled I can push latency down to 2.67 msecs without xrunning > nomatter how hard I try....so this is good ;) > > I've done these tweakings with Breezy, and it happens with all of them: > http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Vanilla_Kernel_With_Realtime_Preemption > http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Rlimits-Aware_PAM > http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Enabling_Preemption > > It also happened the same way in out-of-the-box Dapper. I'm now on > Breezy with the vanilla kernel with preempt patch. > > My laptop is a Dell Inspiron 8600: > http://www.koeniglich.de/dell_8600.html > > I use Alsa intel8x0 driver, and had no other problems. Jack also worked > fine with acpi on other distros like PCLinuxOS, even with the non-mm kernel. > > I have no idea what to do next, if anyone could give me a clue it'd be > appreciated. > > -- > Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! > http://ringheimsauto.1go.dk/ I'm sorry if I'm an idiot, but how did you disable ACPI? Did you just remove it from the kernel when you were compiling? In the BIOS or something else? Do you just kill acpid? I read that APM could cause issues, but hadn't seen anything about ACPI. My P4 system is giving me headaches (Ardour keeps saying my system isn't fast enough and disconnects from JACK and stuff, could be a similar issue), but my AMD system works fine... Weird. AMD system is a clone, P4 system is also a Dell.. I too would like to know how to fix this so it can be put into the wiki. Dana From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Feb 6 14:30:03 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:30:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060206003530.GF12630@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060205201448.1849b994@localhost> <20060206003530.GF12630@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060206193003.4e991230@localhost> On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 00:35:31 +0000 james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Sun, 05 Feb, 2006 at 08:14PM +0000, Folderol spake thus: > > OK, I guess it's put-up or shut-up time. > > > > I've put a couple of tracks on www.folderol.ukfsn.org They are quite > > different to what I've seen on here. I hope you like them. > > > > I'll put more on when either I get a decent soundcard or can change the > > instruments to use ZynAddSubFX voices. > > Ohhhh, they're nice. Reflections is great, and Crystal has that > brilliant tongue-in-cheek sound. > > I really like the instruments, but personally I'd like to hear parts > in something a little harsher. They all sound so clean and glassy, > sometimes they blend a little too well. > > And, since you asked for suggestions, have you ever heard of Tipper? > I'm thinking of the Critical Path album. His beats are beautiful and > something along those lines would really suit this music. > > The usual disclaimer, of course: This is all just my opinion. > > I feel kinda bad about saying any of this, because I really like these > tracks. But, I personally crave feedback and suggestions, so I try > and give people what I would want. > > James I'm glad you like these. It's a bit nerve-wracking when you put you music up for public scrutiny isn't it? I hadn't heard of Tipper, but went on to the website and had a listen to the sample tracks. I see what you mean. Far more complex patterns than I could possible hope to manage, but the style would indeed fit well. -- F From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Mon Feb 6 14:47:21 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:40:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ubuntustudio + ACPI + Jack issues In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602061130g4b608113t1bae5e1b9007f6cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <43E7A20C.4000504@broadpark.no> <1b6a07c30602061130g4b608113t1bae5e1b9007f6cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060206194721.GC4964@linux-1> On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 02:30:01PM -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > I'm sorry if I'm an idiot, but how did you disable ACPI? Did you just > remove it from the kernel when you were compiling? In the BIOS or > something else? Do you just kill acpid? I had a similar problem after installing SuSE 10.0 on my IBM laptop. Killing the daemon(s) didn't help. The only solution was to start the kernel with the option acpi=off. > I read that APM could cause issues, but hadn't seen anything about ACPI. I'm now running the laptop with APM, no problems here. -- FA From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Feb 6 14:42:07 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:42:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060206025608.GF6535@chicagoguitar.com> References: <20060205201448.1849b994@localhost> <20060206025608.GF6535@chicagoguitar.com> Message-ID: <20060206194207.3b037e6b@localhost> On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 20:56:08 -0600 jjbenham@chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham) wrote: > On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 08:14:48PM +0000, Folderol wrote: > > OK, I guess it's put-up or shut-up time. > > > > I've put a couple of tracks on www.folderol.ukfsn.org They are quite > > different to what I've seen on here. I hope you like them. > > > The first one "Reflections" sounded like a soundtrack to some RPG game. I keep > thinking its going to explode and become like a heavy action scene. Its > kind of ambient or environmental in a way. That may be because of the > reverb. Don't get me wrong it is good for what it is. Every composition > has a time and a place where it useful. I see it as maybe a child > dreaming or some peacefully scene at the end of a RPG of sorts of > something. That's an interesting thought. I tend to think of most of stuff as easy listening. I'm not usually comfortable with more aggressive styles, and when I do experiment with them, it still seems to come out sort of laid-back :-/ > The second piece "The Crystal Ship" kind of reminded me of something > Raymond Scott would do. http://raymondscott.com/ > It is simple and has a bubbly commercial quality to it. It could be a > commercial jingle maybe. > > Jeremiah I like simple tunes :) Something you can hum along to. Sadly these are few and far between these days. I'm convinced that it was this, more than anything else that made the early Beatles songs so popular. -- F From jri at broadpark.no Mon Feb 6 14:42:48 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:43:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ubuntustudio + ACPI + Jack issues In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602061130g4b608113t1bae5e1b9007f6cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <43E7A20C.4000504@broadpark.no> <1b6a07c30602061130g4b608113t1bae5e1b9007f6cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E7A6B8.1080407@broadpark.no> Dana Olson wrote: > I'm sorry if I'm an idiot, but how did you disable ACPI? Did you just > remove it from the kernel when you were compiling? In the BIOS or > something else? Do you just kill acpid? Oh, *I'm* sorry, I left that out. I put "acpi=off" behind the kernel in /boot/grub/menu.lst as described in the first post here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21189.html After that the battery-monitor in xfce stops reporting anything, so I guess that's an indication that acpi is really off. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.1go.dk/ From james at dis-dot-dat.net Mon Feb 6 15:53:29 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Mon Feb 6 15:44:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060206193003.4e991230@localhost> References: <20060205201448.1849b994@localhost> <20060206003530.GF12630@phlunky.Belkin> <20060206193003.4e991230@localhost> Message-ID: <20060206205329.GG12630@phlunky.Belkin> On Mon, 06 Feb, 2006 at 07:30PM +0000, Folderol spake thus: > On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 00:35:31 +0000 > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > On Sun, 05 Feb, 2006 at 08:14PM +0000, Folderol spake thus: > > > OK, I guess it's put-up or shut-up time. > > > > > > I've put a couple of tracks on www.folderol.ukfsn.org They are quite > > > different to what I've seen on here. I hope you like them. > > > > > > I'll put more on when either I get a decent soundcard or can change the > > > instruments to use ZynAddSubFX voices. > > > > Ohhhh, they're nice. Reflections is great, and Crystal has that > > brilliant tongue-in-cheek sound. > > > > I really like the instruments, but personally I'd like to hear parts > > in something a little harsher. They all sound so clean and glassy, > > sometimes they blend a little too well. > > > > And, since you asked for suggestions, have you ever heard of Tipper? > > I'm thinking of the Critical Path album. His beats are beautiful and > > something along those lines would really suit this music. > > > > The usual disclaimer, of course: This is all just my opinion. > > > > I feel kinda bad about saying any of this, because I really like these > > tracks. But, I personally crave feedback and suggestions, so I try > > and give people what I would want. > > > > James > > I'm glad you like these. It's a bit nerve-wracking when you put you > music up for public scrutiny isn't it? > > I hadn't heard of Tipper, but went on to the website and had a listen > to the sample tracks. I see what you mean. Far more complex patterns > than I could possible hope to manage, but the style would indeed fit > well. Give it a go. The worst that can happen is that you don't get it how you want it, but learn a few things along the way. -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Feb 6 15:52:40 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Feb 6 15:52:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ubuntustudio + ACPI + Jack issues In-Reply-To: <43E7A6B8.1080407@broadpark.no> References: <43E7A20C.4000504@broadpark.no> <1b6a07c30602061130g4b608113t1bae5e1b9007f6cd@mail.gmail.com> <43E7A6B8.1080407@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <1139259161.2791.315.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 20:42 +0100, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > Dana Olson wrote: > > I'm sorry if I'm an idiot, but how did you disable ACPI? Did you just > > remove it from the kernel when you were compiling? In the BIOS or > > something else? Do you just kill acpid? > > Oh, *I'm* sorry, I left that out. > > I put "acpi=off" behind the kernel in /boot/grub/menu.lst as described > in the first post here: > http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21189.html > > After that the battery-monitor in xfce stops reporting anything, so I > guess that's an indication that acpi is really off. > Try booting with ACPI enabled but kill any battery, fan, etc monitors - anything that seems likely to talk to ACPI. Some of those utilities are really braindead and poll the battery status constantly which can put the CPU into SMM mode which is quite bad for latency. Lee From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Mon Feb 6 16:04:11 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Mon Feb 6 16:04:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <20060206151047.C9CBD518D5E@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060206151047.C9CBD518D5E@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Loki Davison: > > On 2/6/06, leslie.polzer@gmx.net wrote: >> >> Hello Loki, >> >> On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 10:11:58AM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: >> >>> As i said originally, om is big and powerful with it's standard gui. >>> The engine however is very light weight >> >> Also in terms of dependencies? >> >>> if it were lighter than jack rack and more stable. >> >> Don't forget that we are talking about a complete rewrite of JACK Rack 1 >> (which is quite stable in its own right). >> >> Leslie >> >> -- >> gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0x52D70289 >> http://nic-nac-project.de/~skypher/ >> >> > >> From the om site. > > The Om engine (which can be built by itself) requires: > Liblo 0.22 and above > Jack 0.99 and above. > And can optionally use: > Alsa sequencer > DSSI > LADSPA > > It would also be great for overworked Dave to get some help ;-) > Sorry, thats not the complete truth. It also requires: Gtkmm 2.4 and above. LibGlademm 2.4 and above. FlowCanvas ...which is only available on newer linux distributions. I once tried to compile up gtk 2.4, but I was unable because my glibc was too old. I only have rh8, and I don't think thats very uncommon. Om has to work with older versions of gtk to get more users. Until then, I don't think this software has really come out of the beta-stage yet. From seablaede at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 16:10:58 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Mon Feb 6 16:08:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: References: <20060206151047.C9CBD518D5E@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <43E7BB62.2030203@gmail.com> > > Sorry, thats not the complete truth. It also requires: > Gtkmm 2.4 and above. > LibGlademm 2.4 and above. > FlowCanvas I believe that list was for the engine alone, I suspect(Cant be sure not having used OM myself) that what you are listing is for the GUI, NOT the engine. The website would seem to confirm this as the list you posted is directly below this... "The Gtk client requires:" Seablade From jri at broadpark.no Mon Feb 6 16:23:29 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Mon Feb 6 16:23:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ubuntustudio + ACPI + Jack issues In-Reply-To: <1139259161.2791.315.camel@mindpipe> References: <43E7A20C.4000504@broadpark.no> <1b6a07c30602061130g4b608113t1bae5e1b9007f6cd@mail.gmail.com> <43E7A6B8.1080407@broadpark.no> <1139259161.2791.315.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <43E7BE51.6070205@broadpark.no> Lee Revell wrote: > Try booting with ACPI enabled but kill any battery, fan, etc monitors - > anything that seems likely to talk to ACPI. Some of those utilities are > really braindead and poll the battery status constantly which can put > the CPU into SMM mode which is quite bad for latency. After disabling the xfce battery-monitor, and that's the only one I know of, there are still error the messages from jack. I also tried to jump over to APM, but appearently my Inspiron 8600 doesn't support it, since I get this error message in /var/log/messages: "apm: BIOS not found." when I do "acpi=off apm=on" in the menu.lst. Can't find anything wich smells of APM in the BIOS either, and google can't give me a straight answer. Thanks for your suggestions so far. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.1go.dk/ From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Mon Feb 6 18:42:54 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Mon Feb 6 18:26:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: References: <20060206151047.C9CBD518D5E@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1139269374.2587.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-06-02 at 13:04 -0800, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > >> From the om site. > > > > The Om engine (which can be built by itself) requires: > > Liblo 0.22 and above > > Jack 0.99 and above. > > And can optionally use: > > Alsa sequencer > > DSSI > > LADSPA > > > > It would also be great for overworked Dave to get some help ;-) > > > > Sorry, thats not the complete truth. It also requires: > Gtkmm 2.4 and above. > LibGlademm 2.4 and above. > FlowCanvas > > ...which is only available on newer linux distributions. I once tried to > compile up gtk 2.4, but I was unable because my glibc was too old. I only > have rh8, and I don't think thats very uncommon. > > Om has to work with older versions of gtk to get more users. Until then, > I don't think this software has really come out of the beta-stage yet. Yyyyeah, I'm not about to waste hours and hours of my time porting modern software back to an ancient already-deprecated API. Would you? Get a distro made this century :) -DR- From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 18:28:07 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Feb 6 18:28:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <43E7BB62.2030203@gmail.com> References: <20060206151047.C9CBD518D5E@music.columbia.edu> <43E7BB62.2030203@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/7/06, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > > > > Sorry, thats not the complete truth. It also requires: > > Gtkmm 2.4 and above. > > LibGlademm 2.4 and above. > > FlowCanvas > > I believe that list was for the engine alone, I suspect(Cant be sure not > having used OM myself) that what you are listing is for the GUI, NOT the > engine. > > The website would seem to confirm this as the list you posted is > directly below this... "The Gtk client requires:" > > Seablade > Yeah, seablade is right, you can build the engine without the gtk gui. You can then control it with the emacs bindings, python, supercollider or something else that speaks osc to it. So configure should be given --enable-engine --disable-gtk-client. Loki From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 18:32:09 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Feb 6 18:32:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <1139269374.2587.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060206151047.C9CBD518D5E@music.columbia.edu> <1139269374.2587.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > > ...which is only available on newer linux distributions. I once tried to > > compile up gtk 2.4, but I was unable because my glibc was too old. I only > > have rh8, and I don't think thats very uncommon. > > > > Om has to work with older versions of gtk to get more users. Until then, > > I don't think this software has really come out of the beta-stage yet. > > Yyyyeah, I'm not about to waste hours and hours of my time porting > modern software back to an ancient already-deprecated API. Would you? > > Get a distro made this century :) > > -DR- Actually, my commend should have been more like this. Why on earth are you using rh8? Does you machine not do commands like apt-get dist-upgrade or urpmi --auto-select --auto ? Are you using kde 2 or gnome 1? KDE 3.5.1 is actually really nice... Loki From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Mon Feb 6 18:49:38 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Mon Feb 6 18:33:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <43E7BB62.2030203@gmail.com> References: <20060206151047.C9CBD518D5E@music.columbia.edu> <43E7BB62.2030203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1139269778.2587.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-06-02 at 16:10 -0500, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > > > > Sorry, thats not the complete truth. It also requires: > > Gtkmm 2.4 and above. > > LibGlademm 2.4 and above. > > FlowCanvas > > I believe that list was for the engine alone, I suspect(Cant be sure not > having used OM myself) that what you are listing is for the GUI, NOT the > engine. Yep. The engine doesn't depend on anything except Jack and Liblo (and optionally ALSA (MIDI), LADSPA, DSSI). In addition to the Gtk client, there's a command line patch loader client (same patch files as the Gtk client), SuperCollider and Python bindings (all included in the source tree), and Emacs Lisp bindings are floating around the net somewhere as well. Viva la OSC! :) -DR- From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Mon Feb 6 18:52:41 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Mon Feb 6 18:36:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <20060206123738.GA12764@wintermute> References: <20060205171832.01105be6@mango.fruits.de> <20060205163533.14684.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060206123738.GA12764@wintermute> Message-ID: <1139269961.2587.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-06-02 at 13:37 +0100, leslie.polzer@gmx.net wrote: > Hello Loki, > > On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 10:11:58AM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > > As i said originally, om is big and powerful with it's standard gui. > > The engine however is very light weight > > Also in terms of dependencies? Actually, it would be quite simple to make an Om frontend that's literally identical to the Jack Rack front end in every way. Or even take the current Jack Rack GUI and just bolt it on. I'm not about to do it any time soon, but just saying.. :) -DR- From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Mon Feb 6 18:53:26 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Mon Feb 6 18:37:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <1139235060.6023.8.camel@jacklab.metanet> References: <20060205171832.01105be6@mango.fruits.de> <20060205163533.14684.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060206123738.GA12764@wintermute> <1139235060.6023.8.camel@jacklab.metanet> Message-ID: <1139270006.2587.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-06-02 at 15:10 +0100, Michael Bohle wrote: > > >From the om site. > > > > The Om engine (which can be built by itself) requires: > > Liblo 0.22 and above > > Jack 0.99 and above. > > And can optionally use: > > Alsa sequencer > > DSSI > > LADSPA > > > > It would also be great for overworked Dave to get some help ;-) > > > > Loki > > Hmmm, om dosn`t work without lash, and lash dosn't work on my system. > (conn_mgr_start: could not look up service name: Servname not supported > for ai_socktype > loader_run: server closed socket; exiting) Just to clarify: Om does NOT require Lash! Actually it's not even working in CVS right now at all. :) -DR- From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Mon Feb 6 18:55:53 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Mon Feb 6 18:39:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <1139237519.6352.6.camel@jacklab.metanet> References: <20060205171832.01105be6@mango.fruits.de> <20060205163533.14684.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060206123738.GA12764@wintermute> <1139235060.6023.8.camel@jacklab.metanet> <20060206143311.GA6754@charly.SWORD> <1139237519.6352.6.camel@jacklab.metanet> Message-ID: <1139270153.2587.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-06-02 at 15:51 +0100, Michael Bohle wrote: > Am Montag, den 06.02.2006, 15:33 +0100 schrieb Thorsten Wilms: > > On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 03:10:59PM +0100, Michael Bohle wrote: > > > > > > Hmmm, om dosn`t work without lash, and lash dosn't work on my system. > > > (conn_mgr_start: could not look up service name: Servname not supported > > > for ai_socktype > > > loader_run: server closed socket; exiting) > > > > lash is an option, not a requirement for om. > > > > > > --- > > Thorsten Wilms > Ok I see. > But om dosn't start (I thought I was a prob with lash) > If I call om_gtk: > > om_gtk > [StateManager] Unable to open settings file /home/metasymbol/.omgtkrc > [Main] No engine URL specified. Attempting to use > osc.udp://localhost:16180 > [OSCController] Started OSC listener on port 16601 > [OSCController] Attempting to contact engine at > osc.udp://localhost:16180/ ...................... > ................................................. > ................................................. > ........................................ > (never ending) > > any idea? You need to run the engine (om) yourself. As of a few days ago in CVS, the Gtk client has a nice friendly connection dialog with a button to launch the engine, so the next release will not cause this confusion. I probably should have gotten around to that much earlier, but whatever. It worked. :) -DR- From cesare at poeticstudios.com Mon Feb 6 19:03:13 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Mon Feb 6 19:03:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <20060205141918.GA1248@wintermute> References: <20060204205626.GA4942@wintermute> <1139097186.3816.23.camel@puppeli> <20060205010645.GB6092@linux-1> <1139136549.3803.4.camel@puppeli> <20060205141918.GA1248@wintermute> Message-ID: <43E7E3C1.2060604@poeticstudios.com> leslie.polzer@gmx.net wrote: >Hello everyone! > >On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 11:49:21PM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > > >>Leslie, have you tried om? >> >> >Thank you, Loki. That application slipped my attention because I had >no good net connection for the past half year. > It looks very promising. > > > >>is jack rack 2 really required for something? >> >> >That's a question I'd like to pose here. > Are there any JACK Rack users that can convince me they will need it >in the future and tell me why they do not use other tools? > > Best wishes to you all, > > Leslie > > > Leslie, my suggestion is to keep working on Jack Rack. Don't pay too much attention to what other software is around. Don't think in terms of competition. Some users will always prefer your software, some will be attracted by om or other programs. Or they'll use both, but for different tasks. Open source is also about choice. If you'll enjoy adding support for more channels, do it. Otherwise, just try to keep the project alive. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Mon Feb 6 20:04:45 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Mon Feb 6 19:58:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need for JACK Rack (2)? In-Reply-To: <43E7E3C1.2060604@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060204205626.GA4942@wintermute> <1139097186.3816.23.camel@puppeli> <20060205010645.GB6092@linux-1> <1139136549.3803.4.camel@puppeli> <20060205141918.GA1248@wintermute> <43E7E3C1.2060604@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <20060207010445.GF4964@linux-1> On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 01:03:13AM +0100, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > my suggestion is to keep working on Jack Rack. Don't pay too much > attention to what other software is around. Don't think in terms of > competition. > > Some users will always prefer your software, some will be attracted by > om or other programs. Or they'll use both, but for different tasks. Wise words IMHO. A user may prefer one program over another because it suits his/her way of working, for performance reasons, for simplicity or for complexity, or maybe just because how it looks. You can't predict this. If you make something that works for you, and it's technically sound and stable, then others will use it. > Open source is also about choice. Choice and diversity. Some authors will copy the functionality and look and feel of popular windoze apps, some will go for no-compromise performance, some make things that are very specialised, and others create things that are just crazy. They all have their place. -- FA From hanaghan at starband.net Mon Feb 6 21:23:05 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Mon Feb 6 21:19:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT - Power Amp? In-Reply-To: <20060206191608.225AF4075@joseph.doink.com> References: <20060206191608.225AF4075@joseph.doink.com> Message-ID: <43E80489.7000406@starband.net> Kevin Cosgrove wrote: >I could ask this question a number of places, but I like you >folks. :^) > >I'm in the market for a ~400W/ch @ 8 Ohms amp to replace my aged, >and now broken for the 4th or 5th time, JBL power amp. > >I've got some experience with QSC amps in band practice settings, >and in live performance settings. All I can say is that they >never seem to be problematic, and always seem to do their job. >I haven't used one in a studio setting. I'd almost just go buy >a QSC today, unless someone here would warn me off. I do need >an amp quickly as I was just about to mix some ardour recorded >music. What advice do you people have? > >Thanks.... > > >-- >Kevin > > > > > I picked up one of the 450 per side QSC amps in a pawn shop for $125.00. New they retail around here for $450.00. They are "value" priced and in my experience that is a hand off in terms of some form of quality. I have pushed this one through a set of Bag Ends with midi programing, vocals, acoustic guitar and also with a BBE Sonic Maximizer in line. It seems to hold down a reasonably tight bottom end with not too much sacrifice in upper freq response. But I have not been able to push it to its limits in my musci room. If you hunt around on Ebay, you can probably find one for around $250 - $350. I will be doing an outdoor gig with this amp in 2 weeks. I will then be able to tell you how much punishment it can take before sound degradation. R~ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Feb 6 21:30:46 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Feb 6 21:30:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602041249l1e4b2f6btc218572ed356e0d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1b6a07c30602021400y70985acfv6c995c9f8128ba35@mail.gmail.com> <1138918344.15691.145.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021422u63146137rca13b27d97c74d5a@mail.gmail.com> <1138919243.15691.159.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021724w4179a408m968a5e20982eaea8@mail.gmail.com> <1139001218.554.34.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602031401o4ec2ff24x3901652a81245997@mail.gmail.com> <1139004540.554.49.camel@mindpipe> <1139005144.554.54.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602041249l1e4b2f6btc218572ed356e0d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1139279447.2041.32.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 15:49 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > I hope you can get this into Breezy. There is a discussion on this > page as well, where I learned the steps from: It's looking good - Matt Zimmermann has instructed the Ubuntu developers to review and merge the patches. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Feb 6 21:39:41 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Feb 6 21:39:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1139279447.2041.32.camel@mindpipe> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1b6a07c30602021400y70985acfv6c995c9f8128ba35@mail.gmail.com> <1138918344.15691.145.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021422u63146137rca13b27d97c74d5a@mail.gmail.com> <1138919243.15691.159.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021724w4179a408m968a5e20982eaea8@mail.gmail.com> <1139001218.554.34.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602031401o4ec2ff24x3901652a81245997@mail.gmail.com> <1139004540.554.49.camel@mindpipe> <1139005144.554.54.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602041249l1e4b2f6btc218572ed356e0d3@mail.gmail.com> <1139279447.2041.32.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1139279982.2041.40.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 21:30 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 15:49 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > > > I hope you can get this into Breezy. There is a discussion on this > > page as well, where I learned the steps from: > > It's looking good - Matt Zimmermann has instructed the Ubuntu developers > to review and merge the patches. Since it looks like this is happening the next question is, what do we thing is a sane default config. IMHO it needs to be secure OOTB, but we don't want to make users edit /etc/security/limits.conf, I propose that we ship /etc/security/limits.conf with the "audio" group set up for realtime access, but do not add the default user to this group at install time. If Ubuntu already places the default user in group "audio", I think we need to use another group "realtime". So all that's needed for JACK in realtime mode is "gpasswd -a joeuser realtime". There might also be a good argument that we *do* want to allow realtime access to the default user... Lee From dana at ubuntustudio.com Mon Feb 6 21:51:04 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Mon Feb 6 21:51:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1139279982.2041.40.camel@mindpipe> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1138919243.15691.159.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021724w4179a408m968a5e20982eaea8@mail.gmail.com> <1139001218.554.34.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602031401o4ec2ff24x3901652a81245997@mail.gmail.com> <1139004540.554.49.camel@mindpipe> <1139005144.554.54.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602041249l1e4b2f6btc218572ed356e0d3@mail.gmail.com> <1139279447.2041.32.camel@mindpipe> <1139279982.2041.40.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602061851j18455373ufb6b9bf54daeea7f@mail.gmail.com> On 2/6/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 21:30 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 15:49 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > > > > > I hope you can get this into Breezy. There is a discussion on this > > > page as well, where I learned the steps from: > > > > It's looking good - Matt Zimmermann has instructed the Ubuntu developers > > to review and merge the patches. > > Since it looks like this is happening the next question is, what do we > thing is a sane default config. > > IMHO it needs to be secure OOTB, but we don't want to make users > edit /etc/security/limits.conf, I propose that we > ship /etc/security/limits.conf with the "audio" group set up for > realtime access, but do not add the default user to this group at > install time. > > If Ubuntu already places the default user in group "audio", I think we > need to use another group "realtime". > > So all that's needed for JACK in realtime mode is "gpasswd -a joeuser > realtime". > > There might also be a good argument that we *do* want to allow realtime > access to the default user... > > Lee Great work, Lee! Question, did the patch have "rt_prio" or "rtprio" in it? Not sure if you saw my other email about it, but the official PAM has "rtprio" and most patches I saw out there had "rt_prio" in one place, but "rtprio" in another (in the README). By default, you are in the audio group, so I would propose a realtime group. It makes sense anyhow, since that's what it is for. Also, the recommendations I saw elsewhere said rtprio = 99 (some say 100, but looking at the patch, 99 is the max), nice -10, and memlock I am not sure about. I set mine to 250000, but others put 4000000 even. On another note.. I hope that the new Ardour 0.99.1 gets into Dapper too. It has a lot of maintenance fixes. Dana From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Feb 6 22:20:33 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Feb 6 22:20:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602061851j18455373ufb6b9bf54daeea7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1138919243.15691.159.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602021724w4179a408m968a5e20982eaea8@mail.gmail.com> <1139001218.554.34.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602031401o4ec2ff24x3901652a81245997@mail.gmail.com> <1139004540.554.49.camel@mindpipe> <1139005144.554.54.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602041249l1e4b2f6btc218572ed356e0d3@mail.gmail.com> <1139279447.2041.32.camel@mindpipe> <1139279982.2041.40.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602061851j18455373ufb6b9bf54daeea7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1139282433.2041.49.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 21:51 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > Great work, Lee! Question, did the patch have "rt_prio" or "rtprio" in > it? Not sure if you saw my other email about it, but the official PAM > has "rtprio" and most patches I saw out there had "rt_prio" in one > place, but "rtprio" in another (in the README). > Yes this was included in the thread mdz sent out. > By default, you are in the audio group, so I would propose a realtime > group. It makes sense anyhow, since that's what it is for. Also, the > recommendations I saw elsewhere said rtprio = 99 (some say 100, but > looking at the patch, 99 is the max), nice -10, and memlock I am not > sure about. I set mine to 250000, but others put 4000000 even. > > On another note.. I hope that the new Ardour 0.99.1 gets into Dapper > too. It has a lot of maintenance fixes. > You should join the ubuntu-devel list, it's very low traffic... Lee From dana at ubuntustudio.com Mon Feb 6 22:22:30 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Mon Feb 6 22:22:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1139282433.2041.49.camel@mindpipe> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1139001218.554.34.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602031401o4ec2ff24x3901652a81245997@mail.gmail.com> <1139004540.554.49.camel@mindpipe> <1139005144.554.54.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602041249l1e4b2f6btc218572ed356e0d3@mail.gmail.com> <1139279447.2041.32.camel@mindpipe> <1139279982.2041.40.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30602061851j18455373ufb6b9bf54daeea7f@mail.gmail.com> <1139282433.2041.49.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602061922s40d20d44lea0f6718294996ad@mail.gmail.com> On 2/6/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 21:51 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > > > Great work, Lee! Question, did the patch have "rt_prio" or "rtprio" in > > it? Not sure if you saw my other email about it, but the official PAM > > has "rtprio" and most patches I saw out there had "rt_prio" in one > > place, but "rtprio" in another (in the README). > > > > Yes this was included in the thread mdz sent out. > > > By default, you are in the audio group, so I would propose a realtime > > group. It makes sense anyhow, since that's what it is for. Also, the > > recommendations I saw elsewhere said rtprio = 99 (some say 100, but > > looking at the patch, 99 is the max), nice -10, and memlock I am not > > sure about. I set mine to 250000, but others put 4000000 even. > > > > On another note.. I hope that the new Ardour 0.99.1 gets into Dapper > > too. It has a lot of maintenance fixes. > > > > You should join the ubuntu-devel list, it's very low traffic... > > Lee > > I am on it. I didn't see where any of this stuff was said though... Maybe I joined the wrong one? I don't know. lol Dana From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Feb 6 22:50:53 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Feb 6 22:51:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Request for help Message-ID: <1139284254.2041.55.camel@mindpipe> James Courtier-Dutton, who wrote the ALSA snd-ca0106 driver, got the Audigy 2 ZS PCMCIA working on Linux, and has contributed lots of other code to ALSA, recently lost all his Linux machines to a power surge. He estimates this will set his work on ALSA back 3-6 months. I think it would be great if anyone who finds his code useful would make a PayPal donation to help replace the lost hardware, to james@superbug.co.uk. Thanks, Lee From woho at woho.de Tue Feb 7 01:03:41 2006 From: woho at woho.de (Wolfgang Hoffmann) Date: Tue Feb 7 01:02:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some various questions about system configuration.. In-Reply-To: <1139279982.2041.40.camel@mindpipe> References: <20062184124.328905@rk-recp3> <1139279447.2041.32.camel@mindpipe> <1139279982.2041.40.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200602070703.41972.woho@woho.de> On Tuesday 07 February 2006 03:39, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 21:30 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 15:49 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > > I hope you can get this into Breezy. There is a discussion on this > > > page as well, where I learned the steps from: > > > > It's looking good - Matt Zimmermann has instructed the Ubuntu developers > > to review and merge the patches. Great! Thanks for your efforts in promoting this! > Since it looks like this is happening the next question is, what do we > thing is a sane default config. > > IMHO it needs to be secure OOTB, but we don't want to make users > edit /etc/security/limits.conf, I propose that we > ship /etc/security/limits.conf with the "audio" group set up for > realtime access, but do not add the default user to this group at > install time. > > If Ubuntu already places the default user in group "audio", I think we > need to use another group "realtime". > > So all that's needed for JACK in realtime mode is "gpasswd -a joeuser > realtime". I'm fine with both. I recently installed Dapper, it did put me in the audio group. Btw, I wouldn't be much concerned to have rtprio set by default. Worst thing that can happen is the user hogging the CPU. Jackd has it's watchdog preventing a client from doing so, and Ubuntu kernels ship with CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y, so SysRq-n is available as a last resort. If we don't want to make the user edit /etc/security/limits.conf, the limits themselves should be well discussed, too. I have rtprio 80, is just enough to run jackd (currently; it used to be 70). Would that be generally ok, or should it be more? memlock is more difficult. I have memlock 700000, but that's for my hardware and needs (I'm using BruteFIR with many and long filters, so I need lots of RAM, which I do have on that machine). What's a sensible default? I don't set nice. Is it needed for audio? > There might also be a good argument that we *do* want to allow realtime > access to the default user... Yes, let's see if someone brings one up. Wolfgang From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Tue Feb 7 02:36:06 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Tue Feb 7 02:36:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack trouble with mandriva2006 Message-ID: <43E84DE6.3040907@rumoridifondo.com> if i start jack bye qjackctl from normal user i receive this errors: JACK: unable to mlock() port buffers: Cannot allocate memory cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 10) [for thread -1236161616, from thread -1236161616] (1: Operation not permitted) cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 20) [for thread -1227768912, from thread -1227768912] (1: Operation not permitted the jack server starts, but then it tell me messages like this "**** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 8.570 msec" no problem if i run qjackctl from root. there's something to fix in my configuration? thank you all. bye bobo From dana at ubuntustudio.com Tue Feb 7 02:52:41 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Tue Feb 7 02:52:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack trouble with mandriva2006 In-Reply-To: <43E84DE6.3040907@rumoridifondo.com> References: <43E84DE6.3040907@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602062352p7c049devfb7bb38d58c43aa@mail.gmail.com> On 2/7/06, emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote: > if i start jack bye qjackctl from normal user i receive this errors: > > JACK: unable to mlock() port buffers: Cannot allocate memory > cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 10) [for thread > -1236161616, from thread -1236161616] (1: Operation not permitted) > cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 20) [for thread > -1227768912, from thread -1227768912] (1: Operation not permitted > > the jack server starts, but then it tell me messages like this "**** > alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 8.570 msec" > > > no problem if i run qjackctl from root. > > there's something to fix in my configuration? > > thank you all. > > bye > bobo > Do you have any method for realtime access set up? For example, a properly patched and configured PAM, set_rlimits application, or realtime-lsm module? Dana From seppstefano at yahoo.com Tue Feb 7 03:04:06 2006 From: seppstefano at yahoo.com (Stefano Papini) Date: Tue Feb 7 03:04:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] test Message-ID: <20060207080406.93259.qmail@web61316.mail.yahoo.com> test __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dsdhpnw02 at sneakemail.com Tue Feb 7 03:34:47 2006 From: dsdhpnw02 at sneakemail.com (Chuck Martin) Date: Tue Feb 7 03:35:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime Kernel Slows My Clock Message-ID: <7303-68719@sneakemail.com> I've been trying to get a realtime kernel running, but every kernel I've tried with a realtime patch slows my clock to a crawl, which causes my time (as shown with the date command) to be off. It also causes any program that has a delay to wait far longer than it should. "sleep 1" can take anywhere from 10 to 30 seconds. My most recent try was with patch-2.6.15-rt16, which I've tried applying to both the 2.6.15 and 2.6.15.2 kernels, with the same result. Does anyone have any idea what I could be doing wrong, since no one else on this list seems to be having this problem. Chuck From cournape at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 04:26:14 2006 From: cournape at gmail.com (David Cournapeau) Date: Tue Feb 7 04:26:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 192kHz In-Reply-To: <20060126214941.0774ff36@localhost> References: <20060126144254.GH1704@spma33> <200601262136.11481.tito@rumford.de> <200601261611.48962.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20060126214941.0774ff36@localhost> Message-ID: <5b8d13220602070126k15a3b108jf6656c8159d4a843@mail.gmail.com> On 1/27/06, Folderol wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:11:48 -0500 > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Thursday 26 January 2006 15:36, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > >Ismael Valladolid Torres : > > >> I don't see any reason to work at 192KHz. Apart from huge > > >> files, Nyquist is on my side. > > > > > >Wouldn't interference of 2 or more signals from above the > > >audible band have the potential to produce energy within the > > >audible band? > > > > > If there is something non-linear in the mixing process, yes. > > > > >Wolfgang > > A fact often forgotten is that the human ear is itself non-linear in > response. It can be reasonably argued that (assuming no other > distorting factors exist) well out of band signals could interfere > 'mechanically' inside the ear and produce audible difference signals. > What is more, these signals will vary from person to person. > The ear systen is obviously non-linear: otherwise, you wouldn't have any masking systems. One of the explanation I am aware for such effects are interferences in the membrane basilar in internal ear. Concerning 192 khz, 24, 32 bits, etc... I think it is important to make the distinction between storage and reproduction. 32 or 64 bits (!) is stupid if you feed your convertor with it directly. Now, if you intend to import this file into some other gear, it may be useful (note the may, I don't have experience with the use of high end audio gear, and at the end, only the ear can tell if something matters). Also, both frequency range and bit width have influence on maximum SNR: bitwidth change is obvious; in the case of frequency range, you can think as a way to "spread" the "floor noise" on higher bandwith, effectively decreasing the level on the hearing range. In ideal conditions which never happen in the reality, on bit more is 6 dB, and a doubling of frequency bandwith is 3 dB. Nyquist is an *exact* theorem. Mathematically, any function without any frequency above fr/2 can be *exactly* characterized by its sampled coefficient. Now, it assumes a perfect filter (infinite slope, no modification below the frequency cut) which does not exist. David From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Tue Feb 7 04:34:17 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Tue Feb 7 04:34:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: jack trouble with mandriva2006 In-Reply-To: <20060207080415.22654536E49@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060207080415.22654536E49@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <43E86999.4010807@rumoridifondo.com> oh god! you're right! mandriva's kernel multimedia has realtime module by default! now all work well! i just type "# modprobe realtime any=1" with kernel-multimedia! mandriva is very easy to setting-up. thank you.bye emanuele > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Oggetto: > Re: [linux-audio-user] jack trouble with mandriva2006 > Da: > Dana Olson > Data: > Tue, 7 Feb 2006 02:52:41 -0500 > A: > A list for linux audio users > > A: > A list for linux audio users > > >On 2/7/06, emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. > wrote: > > >>if i start jack bye qjackctl from normal user i receive this errors: >> >>JACK: unable to mlock() port buffers: Cannot allocate memory >>cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 10) [for thread >>-1236161616, from thread -1236161616] (1: Operation not permitted) >>cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 20) [for thread >>-1227768912, from thread -1227768912] (1: Operation not permitted >> >>the jack server starts, but then it tell me messages like this "**** >>alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 8.570 msec" >> >> >>no problem if i run qjackctl from root. >> >>there's something to fix in my configuration? >> >>thank you all. >> >>bye >>bobo >> >> >> > > >Do you have any method for realtime access set up? For example, a >properly patched and configured PAM, set_rlimits application, or >realtime-lsm module? > >Dana > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From bbfk at gmx.net Tue Feb 7 05:30:38 2006 From: bbfk at gmx.net (Bernhard Kleine) Date: Tue Feb 7 05:27:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa fails at boot, but not after manual alsaconf Message-ID: <1139308238.7908.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hallo, I amm on a debian sarge gnome desktop. I have an on-board sis/ac97 chip. This week I downloaded kernel 2.6.15.1 and installed sound etc. as modules since I wanted to include a webcam. Sound has not been tested before. When booting the new kernel, alsa sound seems to be enabled since the modules are loaded. However, when I try e.g. xmms than I get the message (translated by myself) please check that the soundcard is installed properly, that the correct plug-ins are chosen, and that no other program blocks sound. The situation is bizarre: When I shutdown gnome and move to the terminal and run alsaconf, the card is found and enabled. After restarting gnome sound works, no program blocks the card. This demonstrates that things are properly installed, modules available, permissions granted etc. What do I have to do to make sound start correctly at boottime? The alsa settings should be saved during shutdown and reloaded at boottime. How can I control that the correct alsa settings are loaded, what file is the relevant one? I am working with the original debian sarge versions (as of juli 2005). Included is the lsmod output after booting Any help is very much appreciated Any help is appreciated Bernhard Syslog shows : ALSA sound/core/init.c:132: cannot find the slot for index 0 (range 0-0) lspci: lspci 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 746 Host (rev 02) 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SG86C202 0000:00:02.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS963 [MuTIOL Media IO] (rev 25) 0000:00:02.1 SMBus: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 0016 0000:00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) 0000:00:03.0 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f) 0000:00:03.1 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f) 0000:00:03.2 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 2.0 Controller 0000:00:0a.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-2940/2940W / AIC-7871 0000:00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 0c) 0000:00:0c.0 Network controller: AVM Audiovisuelles MKTG & Computer System GmbH Fritz!PCI v2.0 ISDN (rev 01) 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] lsmod: lsmod Module Size Used by ppp_deflate 6656 0 zlib_deflate 20504 1 ppp_deflate bsd_comp 6400 0 ppp_synctty 9984 0 radeon 110624 2 binfmt_misc 11784 1 ehci_hcd 33288 0 snd_intel8x0 34844 0 snd_ac97_codec 98208 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_bus 2560 1 snd_ac97_codec i2c_sis96x 6788 0 sn9c102 95244 0 videodev 9600 1 sn9c102 v4l2_common 8064 1 sn9c102 snd_usb_audio 84544 1 snd_pcm 100744 3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_usb_audio snd_timer 26500 1 snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 11912 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm snd_usb_lib 18176 1 snd_usb_audio snd_rawmidi 27168 1 snd_usb_lib snd_seq_device 9484 1 snd_rawmidi snd_hwdep 10628 1 snd_usb_audio snd 60516 11 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_usb_lib,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_hwdep soundcore 10208 1 snd ohci_hcd 20996 0 usbcore 134020 6 ehci_hcd,sn9c102,snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,ohci_hcd -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060207/22a1eb17/attachment.bin From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 05:30:15 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Feb 7 05:30:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Realtime Kernel Slows My Clock In-Reply-To: <7303-68719@sneakemail.com> References: <7303-68719@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: On 2/7/06, Chuck Martin wrote: > I've been trying to get a realtime kernel running, but every kernel I've > tried with a realtime patch slows my clock to a crawl, which causes my > time (as shown with the date command) to be off. It also causes any > program that has a delay to wait far longer than it should. "sleep 1" > can take anywhere from 10 to 30 seconds. > > My most recent try was with patch-2.6.15-rt16, which I've tried applying > to both the 2.6.15 and 2.6.15.2 kernels, with the same result. Does > anyone have any idea what I could be doing wrong, since no one else on > this list seems to be having this problem. > > Chuck > > Dual core amd 64 or not? Loki From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Tue Feb 7 05:32:33 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Tue Feb 7 05:31:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060205201448.1849b994@localhost> References: <20060205201448.1849b994@localhost> Message-ID: <43E87741.3040408@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Folderol i could not help but "fold" your stuff a bit ;-), maybe you like it i and my 2.5 year-old son had great fun kobolding with such a nice and well-set piece: http://gnu-pc.de/snd/gnusounds/folded-crystals-andtheyoungevil-doctor.ogg Folderol schrieb: > OK, I guess it's put-up or shut-up time. > > I've put a couple of tracks on www.folderol.ukfsn.org They are quite > different to what I've seen on here. I hope you like them. > > I'll put more on when either I get a decent soundcard or can change the > instruments to use ZynAddSubFX voices. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD6HdA1Aecwva1SWMRAgDWAJ9El6+15r4fdI+UXdPrKEs8DnRArgCbBnUQ JXCEygnR/hTUPbbzRx58pmI= =QYSq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk Tue Feb 7 07:09:13 2006 From: errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk (Martin Habets) Date: Tue Feb 7 07:09:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Noise gate (or something else?) In-Reply-To: <200602052337.33453.mr@ramendik.ru> References: <200602052337.33453.mr@ramendik.ru> Message-ID: <20060207120913.GA12657@palantir8> On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 11:37:33PM +0300, Mikhail Ramendik wrote: > Hello, > > I desperately need a noise gate, or something else to remove breathing sounds. > Could anyone help me find one? > > I am recording using Audacity 1.2.3 from a rather simple microphone, and > breathing sounds are clearly heard when the speaker inhales air; from the > look of the graph, it seems that a simple noise gate would remove them. But I > could not find a noise gate in Audacity 1.2.3... You could also ask the singer to move back a bit, i.e. don't eat the mic. A popscreen might help too. -- Martin From d_baron at 012.net.il Tue Feb 7 08:15:46 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Tue Feb 7 08:30:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Correct way to start alsa newer kernels? Message-ID: <200602071515.47077.d_baron@012.net.il> I have three scripts in /etc/init.d: 1. alsa, apparently deprecated 2. aslasound, claims to be the right one 3. alsautils. I am not (according to webmin) doing any of these on startup. The two audio drivers, snd-ens1371 and usb-audio load anyway (not by hotplug that lists them as already loaded). Only options on these is "index" and they load in the desired order in any event. The snd-mpu401 does not load No error message. This one has "options". Alsasound does not reference options, just the sound-card-# lines to find drivers. It looks for a snd-...... file in init.d. I made one for the mpu401 to modprobe it with its options. As I said, alsasound is not being run. I can modprobe this manually just fine. Apparently, starting with 2.6.12? options not checked? Apparently, starting with 2.6.14, I need to on my system anyway, compile in the soundcore to get anything to work. From d_baron at 012.net.il Tue Feb 7 08:30:20 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Tue Feb 7 08:30:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE: RTC !?? In-Reply-To: <20060206180117.813AE51DBFE@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060206180117.813AE51DBFE@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200602071530.20782.d_baron@012.net.il> > > Saw something interestic in my logchecks: > > kernel: Generic RTD Driver v1.07 > > > > If I take this one off, the "real" one will modprobe :-) > > Question is, who is loading genrtc BEFORE /etc/modules gets > > referenced? > > Actually, I tried commenting it there and ... the error message > > remains so > > something, somewhere is trying to load BOTH of them! > > > > Anyone know anything about this? > > You must have enabled it when compiling the kernel. ? Recompile and make > sure it's disabled (it should have been disabled by default). Saw nothing about activating either in .config -- both are modules. I blacklisted genrtc in the hotplug/usb stuff and now I have rtc neto. Maybe this is not the place but it worked. From d_baron at 012.net.il Tue Feb 7 08:33:17 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Tue Feb 7 08:33:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Installing Demudi packages on Debian In-Reply-To: <20060206180117.813AE51DBFE@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060206180117.813AE51DBFE@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200602071533.17866.d_baron@012.net.il> When Debian started calling their "kernel" stuff "linux" stuff, there was a kernel-source/kernel-image-2.6.12 from demudi on Sid (maybe I had a Demudi reference in sources.list). I tried it. Installed, ran, same error messages as Debian's linux-image-2.6.12s. Have not seen it on Sid lately. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Feb 7 10:36:59 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue Feb 7 10:37:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 192kHz In-Reply-To: <5b8d13220602070126k15a3b108jf6656c8159d4a843@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060126214941.0774ff36@localhost> <5b8d13220602070126k15a3b108jf6656c8159d4a843@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602071036.59850.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 07 February 2006 04:26, David Cournapeau wrote: [...] > >Also, both frequency range and bit width have influence on maximum >SNR: bitwidth change is obvious; in the case of frequency range, you >can think as a way to "spread" the "floor noise" on higher bandwith, >effectively decreasing the level on the hearing range. In ideal >conditions which never happen in the reality, one bit more is 6 dB, and >a doubling of frequency bandwith is 3 dB. > I've taken the liberty of a spelling correct above s/on/one to make it correct. >Nyquist is an *exact* theorem. Mathematically, any function without >any frequency above fr/2 can be *exactly* characterized by its sampled >coefficient. Now, it assumes a perfect filter (infinite slope, no >modification below the frequency cut) which does not exist. > >David My thoughts on this run toward a 1 bit sample at 256khz (or more since we could do it at many megahertz today) driving both the output data stream, and a 24 to 32 bit counter whose input is the same clock, and the direction bit is this 1 bit a/d's output. The catch here is that the 1 bitter is comparing the output from a d/a driven by this counter with the next sample to make its data bit that then slews the counter one way or the other by this one bit. Such a device would be slew rate limited at the higher frequencies, but should not generate any aliasing products whose magnitudes would be greater than the bit ratio allows, and its input anti-aliasing filter could be very simple. Its output would already be pretty well compressed, particularly as the slew rate approaches the limit, and further digital processing of the 32 bit range down to 24 bit might offer a considerable amount of additional compression (you cand read that as noise reduction) to be done. It would of course assume a counter driving the d/a that did not overflow in either direction, and some sort of circuitry to attempt to ac couple the signal by doing a very slow slew toward the 50% point exerted over a t=rc of about .2 seconds, which should be ignored for the most part by the reproduction system. Such a devices nyquist limitations and the subsequent aliasing would be a long way below the human ears range of being able to detect them under any conditions I can imagine, even by those who can hear an acoustic doppler burglar alarm. That said, its also an old idea/technique, waiting only for sufficiently well behaved electronics which we've had for what, 2 decades or more now? Or has this quietly occured in the utilitarian devices we buy today without being an important enough detail to make it to the propaganda on the box? Are these then considered to be implementation details that are considered proprietary/trade secrets & best not mentioned, yadda yadda? I don't know, so you all tell me please. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Feb 7 10:56:27 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Feb 7 10:56:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: jack trouble with mandriva2006 In-Reply-To: <43E86999.4010807@rumoridifondo.com> References: <20060207080415.22654536E49@music.columbia.edu> <43E86999.4010807@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: <1139327788.2041.89.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 10:34 +0100, emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote: > oh god! you're right! > > mandriva's kernel multimedia has realtime module by default! > > now all work well! > i just type "# modprobe realtime any=1" with kernel-multimedia! > > mandriva is very easy to setting-up. > Well, it's obviously not easy enough. This should have been done by default. Lee From gn at hetnet.nl Tue Feb 7 11:54:30 2006 From: gn at hetnet.nl (Gerrit Niestijl) Date: Tue Feb 7 11:54:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Graphics card an realtime performance Message-ID: <1193.213.160.208.235.1139331270.squirrel@dwerg.dnsalias.org> Hi all, Could a better graphics card result in better realtime performance? I can get a good realtime performance on my box (buffersize 64 and less) but when using X some display activity seems to cause xruns. E.g sooperlooper is far more usable without it's gui. This is on a pentium3 600Mhz PC, running gentoo kernel 2.6.14 with rt22 patch applied. I also prioritize the irq's as documented on this list. The graphics card is a Nvidia Vanta LT with 16 Mb memory. Any thoughts? -- regards, gerrit From jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com Tue Feb 7 11:54:49 2006 From: jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham) Date: Tue Feb 7 12:09:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] some LilyPond work In-Reply-To: <43E0BBA9.8050503@woh.rr.com> References: <43E0BBA9.8050503@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060207165449.GC23739@chicagoguitar.com> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 08:46:17AM -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > Recently I had a 2-day struggle with the flu, so I took advantage of > the down-time and dug into LilyPond 2.6.3 (Demudi 1.3.0rc1). The results > have been placed here: > > http://linux-sound.org/dlp-music-lilypond/ I have been practicing the prelude. I am almost ready to record it. I will send it to you or link it to the list if you like. Jeremiah > Best, > > dp > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Feb 7 12:09:57 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Feb 7 12:10:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Graphics card an realtime performance In-Reply-To: <1193.213.160.208.235.1139331270.squirrel@dwerg.dnsalias.org> References: <1193.213.160.208.235.1139331270.squirrel@dwerg.dnsalias.org> Message-ID: <1139332198.9244.5.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 17:54 +0100, Gerrit Niestijl wrote: > Hi all, > > Could a better graphics card result in better realtime performance? I can > get a good realtime performance on my box (buffersize 64 and less) but > when using X some display activity seems to cause xruns. E.g sooperlooper > is far more usable without it's gui. > > This is on a pentium3 600Mhz PC, running gentoo kernel 2.6.14 with rt22 > patch applied. I also prioritize the irq's as documented on this list. The > graphics card is a Nvidia Vanta LT with 16 Mb memory. Are you using the proprietary Nvidia driver? Lee From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Feb 7 12:46:04 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Feb 7 12:20:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] some LilyPond work In-Reply-To: <20060207165449.GC23739@chicagoguitar.com> References: <43E0BBA9.8050503@woh.rr.com> <20060207165449.GC23739@chicagoguitar.com> Message-ID: <43E8DCDC.5020502@woh.rr.com> Jeremiah Benham wrote: >On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 08:46:17AM -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >>Greetings: >> >> Recently I had a 2-day struggle with the flu, so I took advantage of >>the down-time and dug into LilyPond 2.6.3 (Demudi 1.3.0rc1). The results >>have been placed here: >> >> http://linux-sound.org/dlp-music-lilypond/ >> >> > >I have been practicing the prelude. I am almost ready to record it. I >will send it to you or link it to the list if you like. > > Hi Jeremiah: Sure, send it or link it, either is cool. :) Btw, one of my students just moved to Chicago. Would you mind if I send him your email addy ? He knows some Csound, he's not a Linux guy (yet), but he was one of my best students. He's attending the art institute, don't know where he lives though. Best, dp From SoenkeHahn at web.de Tue Feb 7 12:51:30 2006 From: SoenkeHahn at web.de (Soenke Hahn) Date: Tue Feb 7 12:51:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] test In-Reply-To: <20060207080406.93259.qmail@web61316.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060207080406.93259.qmail@web61316.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43E8DE22.9010000@web.de> Stefano Papini schrieb: >test > > > > Hooray, it works!!! From dsdhpnw02 at sneakemail.com Tue Feb 7 13:12:56 2006 From: dsdhpnw02 at sneakemail.com (Chuck Martin) Date: Tue Feb 7 13:13:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Realtime Kernel Slows My Clock In-Reply-To: References: <7303-68719@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: <32413-16074@sneakemail.com> On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 09:30:15PM +1100, Loki Davison loki.davison-at-gmail.com |LAU| wrote: > On 2/7/06, Chuck Martin wrote: > > I've been trying to get a realtime kernel running, but every kernel I've > > tried with a realtime patch slows my clock to a crawl, which causes my > > time (as shown with the date command) to be off. It also causes any > > program that has a delay to wait far longer than it should. "sleep 1" > > can take anywhere from 10 to 30 seconds. > > > > My most recent try was with patch-2.6.15-rt16, which I've tried applying > > to both the 2.6.15 and 2.6.15.2 kernels, with the same result. Does > > anyone have any idea what I could be doing wrong, since no one else on > > this list seems to be having this problem. > Dual core amd 64 or not? No and no. 600MHz Pentium III. Chuck From ce at christeck.de Tue Feb 7 13:32:26 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Feb 7 13:30:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa fails at boot, but not after manual alsaconf In-Reply-To: <1139308238.7908.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139308238.7908.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200602071932.26895.ce@christeck.de> > What do I have to do to make sound start correctly at boottime? * Ensure alsasound has been added to your runlevel * Ensure your modules.conf is properly built I had the same issue as long as modules.d did not only merge /etc/modules.d/alsa, but also /etc/modules.d/alsa.backup and even /etc/modules.d/alsa.backup.zip into /etc/modules.conf :) . Best regards ce From gn at hetnet.nl Tue Feb 7 13:43:24 2006 From: gn at hetnet.nl (Gerrit Niestijl) Date: Tue Feb 7 13:43:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Graphics card an realtime performance In-Reply-To: <1139332198.9244.5.camel@mindpipe> References: <1193.213.160.208.235.1139331270.squirrel@dwerg.dnsalias.org> <1139332198.9244.5.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060207184324.GA8086@reus> On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 12:09:57PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 17:54 +0100, Gerrit Niestijl wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Could a better graphics card result in better realtime performance? I can > > get a good realtime performance on my box (buffersize 64 and less) but > > when using X some display activity seems to cause xruns. E.g sooperlooper > > is far more usable without it's gui. > > > > This is on a pentium3 600Mhz PC, running gentoo kernel 2.6.14 with rt22 > > patch applied. I also prioritize the irq's as documented on this list. The > > graphics card is a Nvidia Vanta LT with 16 Mb memory. > > Are you using the proprietary Nvidia driver? No, i used to but they don't support my card anymore. -- gerrit From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Feb 7 14:26:55 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Feb 7 14:26:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <43E87741.3040408@linuxuse.de> References: <20060205201448.1849b994@localhost> <43E87741.3040408@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <20060207192655.354dc4ac@localhost> On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:32:33 +0100 Hartmut Noack wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello Folderol > > i could not help but "fold" your stuff a bit ;-), maybe you like it i > and my 2.5 year-old son had great fun kobolding with such a nice and > well-set piece: > > http://gnu-pc.de/snd/gnusounds/folded-crystals-andtheyoungevil-doctor.ogg Well, I can see you've been having fun :) However I think I'll stick to the original! -- F From ix at replic.net Tue Feb 7 15:36:20 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Tue Feb 7 15:36:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Graphics card an realtime performance In-Reply-To: <1139332198.9244.5.camel@mindpipe> References: <1193.213.160.208.235.1139331270.squirrel@dwerg.dnsalias.org> <1139332198.9244.5.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060207203620.GA21306@replic.net> > > get a good realtime performance on my box (buffersize 64 and less) but > > when using X some display activity seems to cause xruns. E.g sooperlooper ive had decent luck by renicing the X server to a lower priority (higher number) and doing the opposite to jackd. depending on how your X is started (gdm, xdm, startx) the way to nice it on launch may differ, but give it a shot.. im not sure 'top' can be trusted. for ex running ices doing a realtime ogg encode takes 5-6% CPU , without X running, and as soon as X is launched, that number doubles, according to top.. From mista.tapas at gmx.net Tue Feb 7 16:06:46 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Tue Feb 7 16:06:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Graphics card an realtime performance In-Reply-To: <1193.213.160.208.235.1139331270.squirrel@dwerg.dnsalias.org> References: <1193.213.160.208.235.1139331270.squirrel@dwerg.dnsalias.org> Message-ID: <20060207220646.3ec2e2db@mango.fruits.de> On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:54:30 +0100 (CET) "Gerrit Niestijl" wrote: > Hi all, > > Could a better graphics card result in better realtime performance? I can > get a good realtime performance on my box (buffersize 64 and less) but > when using X some display activity seems to cause xruns. E.g sooperlooper > is far more usable without it's gui. > > This is on a pentium3 600Mhz PC, running gentoo kernel 2.6.14 with rt22 > patch applied. I also prioritize the irq's as documented on this list. The > graphics card is a Nvidia Vanta LT with 16 Mb memory. What software do you use? I assume JACK? If so, setting up the irq's is not enough. You also need to run jackd with the right prio (below soundcard irq, but above all others) See http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=40 for a little more exhaustive info. Regards, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Feb 7 16:07:35 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Feb 7 16:07:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Graphics card an realtime performance In-Reply-To: <20060207203620.GA21306@replic.net> References: <1193.213.160.208.235.1139331270.squirrel@dwerg.dnsalias.org> <1139332198.9244.5.camel@mindpipe> <20060207203620.GA21306@replic.net> Message-ID: <1139346456.9244.37.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 20:36 +0000, cdr wrote: > > > get a good realtime performance on my box (buffersize 64 and less) but > > > when using X some display activity seems to cause xruns. E.g sooperlooper > > ive had decent luck by renicing the X server to a lower priority (higher number) and doing the opposite to jackd. jackd and JACK clients should never be reniced, they uses RT thread priorities which are more fine grained than nice values. This could lead to incorrect behavior. If your distro automatically runs X at nice -10 this should be disabled. > depending on how your X is started (gdm, xdm, startx) the way to nice it on launch may differ, but give it a shot.. > > im not sure 'top' can be trusted. for ex running ices doing a realtime ogg encode takes 5-6% CPU , > without X running, and as soon as X is launched, that number doubles, according to top.. > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Feb 7 16:39:19 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Feb 7 16:39:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Graphics card an realtime performance In-Reply-To: <1193.213.160.208.235.1139331270.squirrel@dwerg.dnsalias.org> References: <1193.213.160.208.235.1139331270.squirrel@dwerg.dnsalias.org> Message-ID: <1139348359.9244.39.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 17:54 +0100, Gerrit Niestijl wrote: > Hi all, > > Could a better graphics card result in better realtime performance? I can > get a good realtime performance on my box (buffersize 64 and less) but > when using X some display activity seems to cause xruns. E.g sooperlooper > is far more usable without it's gui. > > This is on a pentium3 600Mhz PC, running gentoo kernel 2.6.14 with rt22 > patch applied. I also prioritize the irq's as documented on this list. The > graphics card is a Nvidia Vanta LT with 16 Mb memory. > > Any thoughts? > The only reliable way to debug this stuff is with the latency tracer (see the list archives for details). Lee From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Tue Feb 7 16:57:55 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Tue Feb 7 16:57:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Xruns at the end of a take Message-ID: <200627135755.950977@winxp1> I'm still fairly new to Linux audio and trying to understand things like Xruns, but I've got Ardour (0.99) working and am able to record tracks from Hydrogen. But at the end of every take, I get a single Xrun - "XRUN callback (1) - alsa_pcm:xrun of at least 2.026 msecs". I only get this when I stop recording, never during the take, and I only get one right around 2.0x ms. I've raised the latency but it I still get the Xrun every time I stop the transport. Now I've learned that Xruns are a bad thing, but since I am getting it when I stop the transport, does that mean that the recorded tracks should be good... or do all Xruns happen at the end of a take? Ruben From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue Feb 7 17:06:43 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue Feb 7 17:06:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Realtime Kernel Slows My Clock In-Reply-To: <32413-16074@sneakemail.com> References: <7303-68719@sneakemail.com> <32413-16074@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: <200602072306.43704.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Tuesday 07 February 2006 19:12, Chuck Martin wrote: > On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 09:30:15PM +1100, Loki Davison loki.davison-at-gmail.com |LAU| wrote: > > On 2/7/06, Chuck Martin wrote: > > > I've been trying to get a realtime kernel running, but every kernel > > > I've tried with a realtime patch slows my clock to a crawl, which > > > causes my time (as shown with the date command) to be off. It also > > > causes any program that has a delay to wait far longer than it should. > > > "sleep 1" can take anywhere from 10 to 30 seconds. > > > > > > My most recent try was with patch-2.6.15-rt16, which I've tried > > > applying to both the 2.6.15 and 2.6.15.2 kernels, with the same result. > > > Does anyone have any idea what I could be doing wrong, since no one > > > else on this list seems to be having this problem. > > > > Dual core amd 64 or not? > > No and no. 600MHz Pentium III. > > Chuck Hi Chuck. My old Gateway 500 P111 Katmai using kernel-2.6.10-0.4.rdt.rhfc2.ccrma, and realtime modules "rtirq" and "rtload", is showing similar problems. I had got NTP up and running a while back, and initially had problems with ntpd dying when the machine had booted up. With suggestions from Fernando at Planetccrma, I moved the load point of rtload to before ntpd loaded, which solved that problem. I was then getting time slips, even with ntpd running, and problems contacting the ntp Internet servers. This was severly exaggerated during the night when losing the dial-up connection, resulting in the system clock stopping. Next day, without re-connecting to the Internet, using the time and date facility, I'd reset the time as near as possible, leave the time and date window open, and not move the mouse pointer or do anything on the machine. After a few minutes the clock would stop again. Move the mouse pointer, and Bingo, the clock starts again. I havn't solved the problem on this machine, but it's clearly connected to realtime, and reverting to using the original kernel-2.6.5-1.358 (no realtime), the problem is resolved, and the clock is rock steady, with no problems with ntp contacting the Internet servers. Strangely, the other machine on my network. An i-Friend 1.3Ghz celeron, also, in this example running FC2, with the same planetccrma kernel with the 2 realtime modules, has no clock problems. This machine, again with ntpd enabled, retrieves it's time from the machine with the problems. Even with the terrible time slips (clock stopped) on the Gateway, the i-Friend machines clock stayed on time. Incidentally. The main reason that I enabled NTP was because I'd been getting time slips on the Gateway machine, but obviously this is a realtime problem, specific to this machine. Processor problem? I notice that your P111 is only a bit faster than mine, and strange that my other machine with the same setup shows no time slips. I have posted this problem to questions@lists.ntp.org, but with no replies. Nigel. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Feb 7 17:16:06 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Feb 7 17:16:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Realtime Kernel Slows My Clock In-Reply-To: <200602072306.43704.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <7303-68719@sneakemail.com> <32413-16074@sneakemail.com> <200602072306.43704.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <1139350566.9244.43.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 23:06 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Tuesday 07 February 2006 19:12, Chuck Martin wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 09:30:15PM +1100, Loki Davison > loki.davison-at-gmail.com |LAU| wrote: > > > On 2/7/06, Chuck Martin wrote: > > > > I've been trying to get a realtime kernel running, but every kernel > > > > I've tried with a realtime patch slows my clock to a crawl, which > > > > causes my time (as shown with the date command) to be off. It also > > > > causes any program that has a delay to wait far longer than it should. > > > > "sleep 1" can take anywhere from 10 to 30 seconds. > > > > > > > > My most recent try was with patch-2.6.15-rt16, which I've tried > > > > applying to both the 2.6.15 and 2.6.15.2 kernels, with the same result. > > > > Does anyone have any idea what I could be doing wrong, since no one > > > > else on this list seems to be having this problem. > > > > > > Dual core amd 64 or not? > > > > No and no. 600MHz Pentium III. > > > > Chuck Do you have the problem with 2.6.15.x (the non-realtime kernel)? Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Feb 7 17:22:23 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Feb 7 17:22:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Realtime Kernel Slows My Clock In-Reply-To: <1139350566.9244.43.camel@mindpipe> References: <7303-68719@sneakemail.com> <32413-16074@sneakemail.com> <200602072306.43704.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1139350566.9244.43.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1139350944.9244.48.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 17:16 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 23:06 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > On Tuesday 07 February 2006 19:12, Chuck Martin wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 09:30:15PM +1100, Loki Davison > > loki.davison-at-gmail.com |LAU| wrote: > > > > On 2/7/06, Chuck Martin wrote: > > > > > I've been trying to get a realtime kernel running, but every kernel > > > > > I've tried with a realtime patch slows my clock to a crawl, which > > > > > causes my time (as shown with the date command) to be off. It also > > > > > causes any program that has a delay to wait far longer than it should. > > > > > "sleep 1" can take anywhere from 10 to 30 seconds. > > > > > > > > > > My most recent try was with patch-2.6.15-rt16, which I've tried > > > > > applying to both the 2.6.15 and 2.6.15.2 kernels, with the same result. > > > > > Does anyone have any idea what I could be doing wrong, since no one > > > > > else on this list seems to be having this problem. > > > > > > > > Dual core amd 64 or not? > > > > > > No and no. 600MHz Pentium III. > > > > > > Chuck > > Do you have the problem with 2.6.15.x (the non-realtime kernel)? > Hmm, IIRC this might have been related to the softirq timer thread being preempted - try setting it to the maximum RT priorirty (99). Lee From ix at replic.net Tue Feb 7 17:23:07 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Tue Feb 7 17:23:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Realtime Kernel Slows My Clock In-Reply-To: <1139350566.9244.43.camel@mindpipe> References: <7303-68719@sneakemail.com> <32413-16074@sneakemail.com> <200602072306.43704.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1139350566.9244.43.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060207222307.GB21306@replic.net> > > > > > I've been trying to get a realtime kernel running, but every kernel > > > > > I've tried with a realtime patch slows my clock to a crawl, which incidentally i had the exact opposite problem (ntpdate can easily move the clock back 10 seconds, only 5 seconds after it was last run). switching to the RT kernel fixed the issue completely, excpet on both of my machines, the RT kernel freezes after a while (even w.o tainted modules) JACK runs just fine regardless of how skewed the system clock is.. theres a one line patch related to which timer to use, which is in Ingo's tree but not the mainline kernel, try reverting it: see: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=113249769027262&w=2 and http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=113284371028363&w=2 From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue Feb 7 17:50:54 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue Feb 7 17:51:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060205201448.1849b994@localhost> References: <20060205201448.1849b994@localhost> Message-ID: <200602072350.54731.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 05 February 2006 21:14, Folderol wrote: > OK, I guess it's put-up or shut-up time. > > I've put a couple of tracks on www.folderol.ukfsn.org They are quite > different to what I've seen on here. I hope you like them. > > I'll put more on when either I get a decent soundcard or can change the > instruments to use ZynAddSubFX voices. Hi Folderol. I too prefer your originals. I found them quite relaxing to listen to, and makes a change to the Trance, Drum n Bass, etc, that I normally listen to. Nigel. From dsdhpnw02 at sneakemail.com Tue Feb 7 18:46:07 2006 From: dsdhpnw02 at sneakemail.com (Chuck Martin) Date: Tue Feb 7 18:46:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Realtime Kernel Slows My Clock In-Reply-To: <1139350944.9244.48.camel@mindpipe> References: <7303-68719@sneakemail.com> <32413-16074@sneakemail.com> <200602072306.43704.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1139350566.9244.43.camel@mindpipe> <1139350944.9244.48.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <343-28125@sneakemail.com> On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 05:22:23PM -0500, Lee Revell rlrevell-at-joe-job.com |LAU| wrote: > > Do you have the problem with 2.6.15.x (the non-realtime kernel)? No. I've used 2.6.15, 2.6.15.1, and 2.6.15.2 with no problems. > Hmm, IIRC this might have been related to the softirq timer thread being > preempted - try setting it to the maximum RT priorirty (99). How is that done? (This is on Slackware 10.0). Chuck From mike.taht at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 19:29:31 2006 From: mike.taht at gmail.com (Mike Taht) Date: Tue Feb 7 19:30:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Realtime Kernel Slows My Clock In-Reply-To: <343-28125@sneakemail.com> References: <7303-68719@sneakemail.com> <32413-16074@sneakemail.com> <200602072306.43704.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1139350566.9244.43.camel@mindpipe> <1139350944.9244.48.camel@mindpipe> <343-28125@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: <158277e20602071629t261a35a4obc2cea3b7d5c59ac@mail.gmail.com> To me, this looks a lot like CLOCK_REALTIME is being used instead of CLOCK_MONOTONIC ... but I disabled ntp on my RT machine long ago while awaiting 2.6.16. On 2/7/06, Chuck Martin wrote: > On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 05:22:23PM -0500, Lee Revell rlrevell-at-joe-job.com > |LAU| wrote: > > > > Do you have the problem with 2.6.15.x (the non-realtime kernel)? > > No. I've used 2.6.15, 2.6.15.1, and 2.6.15.2 with no problems. > > > Hmm, IIRC this might have been related to the softirq timer thread being > > preempted - try setting it to the maximum RT priorirty (99). > > How is that done? (This is on Slackware 10.0). > > Chuck > > -- Mike Taht PostCards From the Bleeding Edge http://the-edge.blogspot.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Feb 7 19:43:18 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Feb 7 19:43:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Realtime Kernel Slows My Clock In-Reply-To: <343-28125@sneakemail.com> References: <7303-68719@sneakemail.com> <32413-16074@sneakemail.com> <200602072306.43704.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1139350566.9244.43.camel@mindpipe> <1139350944.9244.48.camel@mindpipe> <343-28125@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: <1139359399.9244.76.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 18:46 -0500, Chuck Martin wrote: > On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 05:22:23PM -0500, Lee Revell rlrevell-at-joe-job.com |LAU| wrote: > > > > Do you have the problem with 2.6.15.x (the non-realtime kernel)? > > No. I've used 2.6.15, 2.6.15.1, and 2.6.15.2 with no problems. > > > Hmm, IIRC this might have been related to the softirq timer thread being > > preempted - try setting it to the maximum RT priorirty (99). > > How is that done? (This is on Slackware 10.0). > Not sure, it's in the list archive. Lee From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Wed Feb 8 03:55:35 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Wed Feb 8 04:17:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden+dssi Message-ID: <43E9B207.5030100@rumoridifondo.com> i've installed on my mandriva rosegarden by urpmi. but it seems that it hasn't dssi support. do i have to recompile it or there's some files to configure? emanuele From mista.tapas at gmx.net Wed Feb 8 05:41:18 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Wed Feb 8 05:41:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Realtime Kernel Slows My Clock In-Reply-To: <1139359399.9244.76.camel@mindpipe> References: <7303-68719@sneakemail.com> <32413-16074@sneakemail.com> <200602072306.43704.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1139350566.9244.43.camel@mindpipe> <1139350944.9244.48.camel@mindpipe> <343-28125@sneakemail.com> <1139359399.9244.76.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060208114118.41854bb1@mango.fruits.de> On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:43:18 -0500 Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 18:46 -0500, Chuck Martin wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 05:22:23PM -0500, Lee Revell rlrevell-at-joe-job.com |LAU| wrote: > > > > > > Do you have the problem with 2.6.15.x (the non-realtime kernel)? > > > > No. I've used 2.6.15, 2.6.15.1, and 2.6.15.2 with no problems. > > > > > Hmm, IIRC this might have been related to the softirq timer thread being > > > preempted - try setting it to the maximum RT priorirty (99). > > > > How is that done? (This is on Slackware 10.0). > > > > Not sure, it's in the list archive. Hi, i think the kernel thread in question is "softirq-timer/0". It is kinda resistant against the usual chrt -f -p `pidof "softirq-timer/0"` but something like this works: /usr/bin/chrt -f -p 96 `/usr/bin/getpid.sh "softirq-timer/0"` where getpid.sh looks like this: ------------------snip #! /bin/sh # Uncomment the next line for testing #set -x if [ $# -ne 1 ]; then echo "Usage: $0 prog_regexp"; exit 1; fi ps auxc|grep ${1}|sed 's/^[a-zA-Z]* *\([0-9]*\).*$/\1/' ------------------snap Provided by a kind soul in #lad. I forgot who sorry :( I just don't know whether this is a cure for the problem at hand. I haven't read the whole thread. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Wed Feb 8 08:07:45 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Feb 8 08:07:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden+dssi In-Reply-To: <43E9B207.5030100@rumoridifondo.com> References: <43E9B207.5030100@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: <200602081407.45951.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 08 February 2006 09:55, emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote: > i've installed on my mandriva rosegarden by urpmi. but it seems that it > hasn't dssi support. do i have to recompile it or there's some files to > configure? > > emanuele H Emanuele. I don't remember a problem in setting up Rosegarden to use DSSI plugins. You obviously need the packages "dssi" and "dssi-dev" installed on the machine. Also some dssi plugins. For instance. Hexter, Xsynth, and fluidsynth-dssi. Then it was a matter of going to Composition/Studio/Manage Synth Plugins (the icon for which should be on the toolbar) , and adding your plugins on each line there using the line's browser. After doing that just left click and hold on the first untitled line on the sequencer, choose "Synth Plugin" off the menu, you should get alist of your loaded plugins. BTW. This is on Fedora Core 2. Nigel. From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Wed Feb 8 08:45:43 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Petter_Sundl=F6f?=) Date: Wed Feb 8 08:38:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden+dssi In-Reply-To: <200602081407.45951.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <43E9B207.5030100@rumoridifondo.com> <200602081407.45951.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <43E9F607.1000400@findus.dhs.org> Nigel Henry wrote: >On Wednesday 08 February 2006 09:55, emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. >wrote: > > >>i've installed on my mandriva rosegarden by urpmi. but it seems that it >>hasn't dssi support. do i have to recompile it or there's some files to >>configure? >> >>emanuele >> >> > >H Emanuele. I don't remember a problem in setting up Rosegarden to use DSSI >plugins. You obviously need the packages "dssi" and "dssi-dev" installed on >the machine. Also some dssi plugins. For instance. Hexter, Xsynth, and >fluidsynth-dssi. > >Then it was a matter of going to Composition/Studio/Manage Synth Plugins (the >icon for which should be on the toolbar) , and adding your plugins on each >line there using the line's browser. After doing that just left click and >hold on the first untitled line on the sequencer, choose "Synth Plugin" off >the menu, you should get alist of your loaded plugins. > >BTW. This is on Fedora Core 2. Nigel. > > How does one tell a dssi plugin in Rosegarden which MIDI input to use? From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Wed Feb 8 08:53:01 2006 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Wed Feb 8 08:52:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden+dssi In-Reply-To: <200602081407.45951.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <43E9B207.5030100@rumoridifondo.com> <200602081407.45951.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <1139406781.8929.3.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> On Wednesday 08 February 2006 09:55, emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote: > i've installed on my mandriva rosegarden by urpmi. but it seems that it > hasn't dssi support. do i have to recompile it or there's some files to > configure? Mandriva does not have official packages for DSSI. You'll have to build Rosegarden from source (or maybe track down some unofficial packages, Thac might have something). -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060208/50d7c173/attachment.bin From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Feb 8 09:03:15 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Feb 8 09:03:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Installing Demudi packages on Debian In-Reply-To: <200602071533.17866.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20060206180117.813AE51DBFE@music.columbia.edu> <200602071533.17866.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <200602081403.15627.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 07 February 2006 13:33, David Baron was like: > When Debian started calling their "kernel" stuff "linux" stuff, there was a > kernel-source/kernel-image-2.6.12 from demudi on Sid (maybe I had a Demudi > reference in sources.list). I tried it. Installed, ran, same error messages > as Debian's linux-image-2.6.12s. Have not seen it on Sid lately. This is because of the security issues involved in using realtime-lsm. IIUC Probably won't see a DeMuDi kernel in Debian until it's possible to have an rtlimits patched PAM and do the realtime thing 'properly'. This being Debian, it may take a little longer. This is one of the issues that will get addressed in the process of developing a solid Debian Multimedia Policy. Suggest not holding breath. DeMuDi packages are always available from AGNULA - http://demudi.agnula.org. They have been well tested in conjunction with vanilla Debian packages and I understand people have had reasonable success using them in conjunction with Ubuntu installs also. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Wed Feb 8 09:41:43 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Wed Feb 8 09:41:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden+dssi In-Reply-To: <200602081407.45951.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <43E9B207.5030100@rumoridifondo.com> <200602081407.45951.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <43EA0327.9040900@rumoridifondo.com> hi nigel, i've installed dssi and hexter. i manage to start hexter by typing in a console "$ jack-dssi-host hexter.so". the problem is that in rosegarden if i clic to "Composition --> Studio --> Manage Synth Plugins" the windows is blank. the only way i manage to use soft-synth and rosegarden is this: - first i load a soft-synth (not only hexter but also ZynAddSubFx which is not a dssi soft-synth) - then i make the correct jack connection - then in rosegarden i do this "right click on midi track --> midi software devices --> midi software device #1" if i do this procedure, then on the left side of the windows ("Parametri dello strumento" in the italian version of rosegarden, i think "Instrument setting" or something like this in the english versione of rosegarden) i can read the name of the instrument (hexter or zynadd.). i think this is not the way to manage dssi by rosegarden, because i'm not using rosegarden as host to load dssi soft-synth, but jack-dssi-host. after i wrote my mail, i reed that a lot of version of rosegarden which are included with variuos distribution are not compiled with dssi support, also demudi's version of rosegarden. i think this is the problem. so i downloaded rosegarden source. i installed all the depencies and the "$ ./configure" command told me that all is ok. but when i give the command "$ make" it tells me this error: ---------------- [...] Colour.C:166: error: explicit qualification in declaration of `Rosegarden::Colour Rosegarden::getCombinationColour(const Rosegarden::Colour&, const Rosegarden::Colour&)' make[2]: *** [Colour.lo] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/bobo/src/rosegarden-4-1.0/base' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/bobo/src/rosegarden-4-1.0' make: *** [all] Error 2 ------------------ i don't know why. i'll continue using dssi with jack-dssi-host..... bye bye emanuele Nigel Henry ha scritto: >On Wednesday 08 February 2006 09:55, emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. >wrote: > > >>i've installed on my mandriva rosegarden by urpmi. but it seems that it >>hasn't dssi support. do i have to recompile it or there's some files to >>configure? >> >>emanuele >> >> > >H Emanuele. I don't remember a problem in setting up Rosegarden to use DSSI >plugins. You obviously need the packages "dssi" and "dssi-dev" installed on >the machine. Also some dssi plugins. For instance. Hexter, Xsynth, and >fluidsynth-dssi. > >Then it was a matter of going to Composition/Studio/Manage Synth Plugins (the >icon for which should be on the toolbar) , and adding your plugins on each >line there using the line's browser. After doing that just left click and >hold on the first untitled line on the sequencer, choose "Synth Plugin" off >the menu, you should get alist of your loaded plugins. > >BTW. This is on Fedora Core 2. Nigel. > > > > From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Wed Feb 8 09:43:13 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Wed Feb 8 09:43:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden+dssi In-Reply-To: <43E9F607.1000400@findus.dhs.org> References: <43E9B207.5030100@rumoridifondo.com> <200602081407.45951.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <43E9F607.1000400@findus.dhs.org> Message-ID: <43EA0381.9060405@rumoridifondo.com> i use jack-dssi-host right now to load dssi soft synth and i use qjackctl as connection manager, midis too. bye emanuele >> > How does one tell a dssi plugin in Rosegarden which MIDI input to use? > > From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Wed Feb 8 12:21:05 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Feb 8 12:21:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden+dssi In-Reply-To: <43E9F607.1000400@findus.dhs.org> References: <43E9B207.5030100@rumoridifondo.com> <200602081407.45951.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <43E9F607.1000400@findus.dhs.org> Message-ID: <200602081821.05149.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 08 February 2006 14:45, Petter Sundl?f wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > >On Wednesday 08 February 2006 09:55, emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com > > ::.. > > > >wrote: > >>i've installed on my mandriva rosegarden by urpmi. but it seems that it > >>hasn't dssi support. do i have to recompile it or there's some files to > >>configure? > >> > >>emanuele > > > >H Emanuele. I don't remember a problem in setting up Rosegarden to use > > DSSI plugins. You obviously need the packages "dssi" and "dssi-dev" > > installed on the machine. Also some dssi plugins. For instance. Hexter, > > Xsynth, and fluidsynth-dssi. > > > >Then it was a matter of going to Composition/Studio/Manage Synth Plugins > > (the icon for which should be on the toolbar) , and adding your plugins > > on each line there using the line's browser. After doing that just left > > click and hold on the first untitled line on the sequencer, choose "Synth > > Plugin" off the menu, you should get alist of your loaded plugins. > > > >BTW. This is on Fedora Core 2. Nigel. > > How does one tell a dssi plugin in Rosegarden which MIDI input to use? Hi Petter. Sorry. I'm not familiar enough with using Rosegarden. I only use one external midi input for my usb midi keyboard, but hopefully someone else on the list can help. I presume you are talking about having multiple midi inputs. In my case with only the usb midi keyboard, this shows up automatically in the "Manage Midi Devices" panel in Play devices, and Record devices. Nigel From slothlove at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 13:26:04 2006 From: slothlove at gmail.com (Spencer Russell) Date: Wed Feb 8 13:26:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] suspend2 and realtime-preempt Message-ID: Hullo, there, I'm working on getting usable latency on my laptop with a crappy integrated Via chipset(Right now the best I can do without xruns is 2x1024). From what I can tell it looks like it might hep to thread the IRQs, so I'm applying ingo's realtime-preempt patch to a vanilla 2.6.15.1. I have been using the gentoo suspend2 sources, and I've gotten really used to just hibernating my computer when I'm not using it, and I'd like to keep doing that, but it seems the suspend2 patches are incompatible with the realtime-preempt patches. I think I'll be able to handle going in manually and figuring out where the problems are, but I figured that it's possible someone might have already done the work for me, so I figured I'd ask. So, anyone using suspend2 and realtime-preempt together? Thanks, spencer From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Wed Feb 8 13:40:47 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Wed Feb 8 13:40:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: rosegarden+dssi In-Reply-To: <20060208172124.B8B6F565624@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060208172124.B8B6F565624@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <43EA3B2F.5020802@rumoridifondo.com> i don't manage to install thac's dssi. the terminal tells me that liblo >=0.13 is not installed even if i have liblo0.18 :( bye emanuele > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Oggetto: > Re: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden+dssi > Da: > Lars Luthman > Data: > Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:53:01 +0100 > A: > A list for linux audio users > > A: > A list for linux audio users > > > Mandriva does not have official packages for DSSI. You'll have to build > >Rosegarden from source (or maybe track down some unofficial packages, >Thac might have something). > > From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Wed Feb 8 13:52:38 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Wed Feb 8 13:52:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack xrun Message-ID: <43EA3DF6.80201@rumoridifondo.com> is it normal some jack xrun or it must never give an xrun to works well? From tdhoward at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 14:14:49 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Wed Feb 8 14:15:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden+dssi Message-ID: > so i downloaded rosegarden source. i installed all the depencies and the > "$ ./configure" command told me that all is ok. > but when i give the command "$ make" it tells me this error: > ---------------- > [...] > Colour.C:166: error: explicit qualification in declaration of > `Rosegarden::Colour Rosegarden::getCombinationColour(const > Rosegarden::Colour&, const Rosegarden::Colour&)' > make[2]: *** [Colour.lo] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/bobo/src/rosegarden-4-1.0/base' > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/bobo/src/rosegarden-4-1.0' > make: *** [all] Error 2 > ------------------ > > i don't know why. > Check out this link. It worked for me. http://www.nabble.com/Re:-Compilation-:-Colour.lo-Erreur-1-p1134375.html -Tim From dsdhpnw02 at sneakemail.com Wed Feb 8 14:47:34 2006 From: dsdhpnw02 at sneakemail.com (Chuck Martin) Date: Wed Feb 8 14:48:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Realtime Kernel Slows My Clock In-Reply-To: <20060208114118.41854bb1@mango.fruits.de> References: <7303-68719@sneakemail.com> <32413-16074@sneakemail.com> <200602072306.43704.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1139350566.9244.43.camel@mindpipe> <1139350944.9244.48.camel@mindpipe> <343-28125@sneakemail.com> <1139359399.9244.76.camel@mindpipe> <20060208114118.41854bb1@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <2190-15054@sneakemail.com> On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 11:41:18AM +0100, Florian Schmidt mista.tapas-at-gmx.net |LAU| wrote: > On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:43:18 -0500 > Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 18:46 -0500, Chuck Martin wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 05:22:23PM -0500, Lee Revell rlrevell-at-joe-job.com |LAU| wrote: > > > > > > > Hmm, IIRC this might have been related to the softirq timer thread being > > > > preempted - try setting it to the maximum RT priorirty (99). > > > > > > How is that done? (This is on Slackware 10.0). > > > > > > > Not sure, it's in the list archive. > > i think the kernel thread in question is "softirq-timer/0". It is kinda > resistant against the usual > > chrt -f -p `pidof "softirq-timer/0"` Yes, I tried that, and it didn't work. > but something like this works: > > /usr/bin/chrt -f -p 96 `/usr/bin/getpid.sh "softirq-timer/0"` > > where getpid.sh looks like this: [snip] I didn't try that with your script, but I did the equivalent by manually checking the output of "ps aux" for the PID and entering chrt -f -p 99 3 Here are the first few lines of "ps aux": USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND root 1 0.1 0.1 560 244 ? S 02:19 0:00 init [2] root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 02:19 0:00 [softirq-high/0] root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 02:19 0:00 [softirq-timer/0] root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 02:19 0:00 [softirq-net-tx/] root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 02:19 0:00 [softirq-net-rx/] root 6 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 02:19 0:00 [softirq-scsi/0] root 7 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 02:19 0:00 [softirq-tasklet] root 8 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 02:19 0:00 [desched/0] root 9 0.6 0.0 0 0 ? S< 02:19 0:00 [events/0] after trying a PID of 3, I also tried all of the other PIDs from 2 to 9, as well as every PID for every "[IRQ x]" line in the output of "ps aux", where x is any number. None of them fixed the problem. > I just don't know whether this is a cure for the problem at hand. I > haven't read the whole thread. Any other suggestions? The original problem is that the system clock is extremely slow, causing the time to be off and things like "sleep 1" to take 10 to 30 times as long as they should. Chuck From ix at replic.net Wed Feb 8 15:29:32 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Wed Feb 8 15:29:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] suspend2 and realtime-preempt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060208202932.GA7368@replic.net> On Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 01:26:04PM -0500, Spencer Russell wrote: > Hullo, there, > I'm working on getting usable latency on my laptop with a crappy > integrated Via chipset(Right now the best I can do without xruns is > 2x1024). From what I can tell it looks like it might hep to thread the > IRQs, so I'm applying ingo's realtime-preempt patch to a vanilla > 2.6.15.1. I have been using the gentoo suspend2 sources, and I've > gotten really used to just hibernating my computer when I'm not using > it, and I'd like to keep doing that, but it seems the suspend2 patches > are incompatible with the realtime-preempt patches. I think I'll be > able to handle going in manually and figuring out where the problems > are, but I figured that it's possible someone might have already done > the work for me, so I figured I'd ask. So, anyone using suspend2 and > realtime-preempt together? have you tried applying both patches over another? theres a chance they don't conflict. assuming they do,, you could try suspend, or standby, instead of hibernate. they use a bit more power since since the contents of RAM are preserved. or just switch to initng and fluxbox, and boot into a usable desktop from scratch in about 10 seconds.. > > Thanks, > spencer From gn at hetnet.nl Wed Feb 8 15:50:31 2006 From: gn at hetnet.nl (Gerrit Niestijl) Date: Wed Feb 8 15:50:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Graphics card an realtime performance In-Reply-To: <20060207220646.3ec2e2db@mango.fruits.de> References: <1193.213.160.208.235.1139331270.squirrel@dwerg.dnsalias.org> <20060207220646.3ec2e2db@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <20060208205031.GA7848@reus> On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 10:06:46PM +0100, Florian Schmidt wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Could a better graphics card result in better realtime performance? I can > > get a good realtime performance on my box (buffersize 64 and less) but > > when using X some display activity seems to cause xruns. E.g sooperlooper > > is far more usable without it's gui. > > > > This is on a pentium3 600Mhz PC, running gentoo kernel 2.6.14 with rt22 > > patch applied. I also prioritize the irq's as documented on this list. The > > graphics card is a Nvidia Vanta LT with 16 Mb memory. > > What software do you use? I assume JACK? If so, setting up the irq's is > not enough. You also need to run jackd with the right prio (below > soundcard irq, but above all others) > > See > > http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=40 > > for a little more exhaustive info. Yes, i use jack. I also use the rtirq package. Here is the relevant info: reus ~ # cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 1009634 XT-PIC [........N/ 0] pit 1: 727 XT-PIC [........./ 0] i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC [........N/ 0] cascade 4: 0 XT-PIC [........./ 0] Serial MIDI 5: 1661 XT-PIC [........./ 0] eth0 8: 2 XT-PIC [........./ 0] rtc 9: 1 XT-PIC [........./ 0] acpi, ICE1712 10: 121 XT-PIC [........./ 0] uhci_hcd:usb1, EMU10K1 12: 3651 XT-PIC [........./ 0] i8042 14: 4926 XT-PIC [........./ 0] ide0 15: 653 XT-PIC [........./ 0] ide1 reus ~ # /etc/init.d/rtirq status * status: started PID CLS RTPRIO NI PRI %CPU STAT COMMAND 200 FF 80 - 120 0.0 S< IRQ 8 14 FF 70 - 110 0.0 S< IRQ 9 262 FF 60 - 100 0.0 S< IRQ 10 277 FF 50 - 90 0.0 S< IRQ 1 206 FF 49 - 89 0.0 S< IRQ 12 209 FF 46 - 86 0.0 S< IRQ 6 240 FF 45 - 85 0.0 S< IRQ 14 242 FF 44 - 84 0.0 S< IRQ 15 6472 FF 41 - 81 0.0 S< IRQ 5 6635 FF 40 - 80 0.0 S< IRQ 4 Not exactly the same numbers as yours, but it looks ok to me. I was trying to avoid the route Lee mentions, debugging using the latency tracer, but it looks like i have to find some time to study it. Anyway, thanks a lot all of you for your input, i will let you know when i have made some progress. -- gerrit From gn at hetnet.nl Wed Feb 8 15:54:32 2006 From: gn at hetnet.nl (Gerrit Niestijl) Date: Wed Feb 8 15:54:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Graphics card an realtime performance In-Reply-To: <20060207220646.3ec2e2db@mango.fruits.de> References: <1193.213.160.208.235.1139331270.squirrel@dwerg.dnsalias.org> <20060207220646.3ec2e2db@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <20060208205432.GB7848@reus> Sorry, forgot to mention, jack runs with -P 60 here. -- gerrit From mista.tapas at gmx.net Wed Feb 8 17:20:38 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Wed Feb 8 17:20:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Realtime Kernel Slows My Clock In-Reply-To: <2190-15054@sneakemail.com> References: <7303-68719@sneakemail.com> <32413-16074@sneakemail.com> <200602072306.43704.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1139350566.9244.43.camel@mindpipe> <1139350944.9244.48.camel@mindpipe> <343-28125@sneakemail.com> <1139359399.9244.76.camel@mindpipe> <20060208114118.41854bb1@mango.fruits.de> <2190-15054@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: <20060208232038.23efa95f@mango.fruits.de> On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:47:34 -0500 "Chuck Martin" wrote: > Any other suggestions? The original problem is that the system clock > is extremely slow, causing the time to be off and things like "sleep 1" > to take 10 to 30 times as long as they should. Hmm, try with or without high resolution timer support compiled in. Also if you can confirm it doesn't happen with vanilla, i'd suggest reporting this to Ingo. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Feb 8 20:59:08 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Feb 8 20:59:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] suspend2 and realtime-preempt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1139450349.9244.122.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 13:26 -0500, Spencer Russell wrote: > Hullo, there, > I'm working on getting usable latency on my laptop with a crappy > integrated Via chipset(Right now the best I can do without xruns is > 2x1024). From what I can tell it looks like it might hep to thread the > IRQs, so I'm applying ingo's realtime-preempt patch to a vanilla > 2.6.15.1. I have been using the gentoo suspend2 sources, and I've > gotten really used to just hibernating my computer when I'm not using > it, and I'd like to keep doing that, but it seems the suspend2 patches > are incompatible with the realtime-preempt patches. I think I'll be > able to handle going in manually and figuring out where the problems > are, but I figured that it's possible someone might have already done > the work for me, so I figured I'd ask. So, anyone using suspend2 and > realtime-preempt together? Why do you reqire suspend2, does swsusp not work for you? Lee From florin at andrei.myip.org Thu Feb 9 00:04:37 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Thu Feb 9 00:04:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] It's music time again In-Reply-To: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <1139461477.5850.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 21:30 +0000, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > And now, here's my latest contribution: > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/02/music.html Nice. A bit more polish and a bit more focus and it would be viable in some commercial niche. But this applies to many of your songs. Something to think about. ;-) -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Thu Feb 9 00:13:03 2006 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Thu Feb 9 00:13:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xjadeo on Ubuntu Linux Message-ID: <43EACF5F.2090806@sympatico.ca> Hello, I'm trying to build xjadeo and configuration stops with this error: checking for avcodec_init in -lavformat... no configure: error: *** VIDEO: You need libavcodec-dev installed. *** The development libraries for libavcodec and libavformat are both installed. I tryed uninstalling the Ubuntu packages and building my own ffmpeg from CVS and still I get the same error. Any help would be highly appreciated!! xjadeo is the only answer for syncing video and audio on Linux. Thanks to Luis Garrido for his work! Hector From bernie.arai at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 01:57:52 2006 From: bernie.arai at gmail.com (bernie arai) Date: Thu Feb 9 01:57:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] suspend2 and realtime-preempt In-Reply-To: <20060208202932.GA7368@replic.net> References: <20060208202932.GA7368@replic.net> Message-ID: On 2/8/06, cdr wrote: > assuming they do,, you could try suspend, or standby, instead of hibernate. they use a bit more power since since the contents of RAM are preserved. or just switch to initng and fluxbox, and boot into a usable desktop from scratch in about 10 seconds.. > wow, really? after (more than) a bit of (amateurish) struggling with getting suspend to work on my laptop, i gave up, but i took a look at the initng site and am getting very interested. any PlanetCCRMA users had luck with initng? do i pretty much have to switch to gentoo to use it? bernie From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Thu Feb 9 03:33:13 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Thu Feb 9 03:33:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: rosegarden+dssi In-Reply-To: <20060208222049.2BE0856E866@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060208222049.2BE0856E866@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <43EAFE49.7060503@rumoridifondo.com> i think this should be the right patch for me too. i downloaded it but i don't know how to apply it. where do i have to copy it? thanx emanuele > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Oggetto: > [linux-audio-user] rosegarden+dssi > Da: > Tim Howard > Data: > Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:14:49 -0800 > A: > linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > > A: > linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > > >>so i downloaded rosegarden source. i installed all the depencies and the >>"$ ./configure" command told me that all is ok. >>but when i give the command "$ make" it tells me this error: >>---------------- >>[...] >>Colour.C:166: error: explicit qualification in declaration of >>`Rosegarden::Colour Rosegarden::getCombinationColour(const >>Rosegarden::Colour&, const Rosegarden::Colour&)' >>make[2]: *** [Colour.lo] Error 1 >>make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/bobo/src/rosegarden-4-1.0/base' >>make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 >>make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/bobo/src/rosegarden-4-1.0' >>make: *** [all] Error 2 >>------------------ >> >>i don't know why. >> >> >> > > >Check out this link. It worked for me. > >http://www.nabble.com/Re:-Compilation-:-Colour.lo-Erreur-1-p1134375.html > >-Tim > > > From james at dis-dot-dat.net Thu Feb 9 03:51:21 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Thu Feb 9 03:42:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] It's music time again In-Reply-To: <1139461477.5850.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> <1139461477.5850.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <20060209085121.GN12630@phlunky.Belkin> On Wed, 08 Feb, 2006 at 09:04PM -0800, Florin Andrei spake thus: > On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 21:30 +0000, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > And now, here's my latest contribution: > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/02/music.html > > Nice. > A bit more polish and a bit more focus and it would be viable in some > commercial niche. But this applies to many of your songs. You think I lack focus? Pah, I'll have you know that Oooooh! A bunny rabbit! What was I saying? > Something to think about. ;-) You're right, I think. It's something I know I suffer from. Without sounding too big headed, I do know I could do better with these. The thing is, I do what lots of open source projects do - I get as far as release early and forget about release often. Once I've shown people, I leave it. It's also to do with how little free time I have since I took a lectureship, although hopefully I can soon combine this hobby with work in a Media Production module. On the other hand, I'm still learning a lot, and everyone's feedback is really really useful. One day, I'll spend some money and get a soundcard that costs more than 20 quid and speakers that were meant for more than Doom. Then maybe I'll stick with a track long enough to produce something polished. -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Thu Feb 9 00:36:37 2006 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Thu Feb 9 04:44:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gmma 0.39 In-Reply-To: <43D22E7B.9080505@woh.rr.com> References: <200601141742.13263.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <43D22E7B.9080505@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200602090636.37582.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> El S?bado, 21 de Enero de 2006 13:52, Dave Phillips escribi?: > >* gmma (graphic interface for MMA) > > Hi Marcos: > > I'm interested in these two programs, but I can't find them > anywhere on the net. Can you post a URL where I can retrieve them ? Now it works better into non-Musix distros, try it... -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) Mirrors: (www.musix.distrux.net) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) (www.k-maleon.com/musix) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From arnold.krille at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 07:51:54 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Thu Feb 9 07:51:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: It's music time again In-Reply-To: <20060209085121.GN12630@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> <1139461477.5850.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060209085121.GN12630@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <2def88b80602090451y431cb31bh@mail.gmail.com> 2006/2/9, james@dis-dot-dat.net : > One day, I'll spend some money and get a soundcard that costs more > than 20 quid and speakers that were meant for more than Doom. Then > maybe I'll stick with a track long enough to produce something > polished. From my (limited) experience: Start learning to polish before you buy new equipment! Often we think "If I have this and that, all we go easily" but the truth is that all the technical gimmicks like soundcards, speakers, preamps, amps, micorphones are just tools. If you know what you are doing you can get the best possible out of the most crappy hardware. If you don't know what you are doing, it won't get any better with speakers that cost 1000? each. Start polishing, mastering, etc before you decide which new gear you buy... And continue to make music! Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 08:11:54 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Feb 9 08:11:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] It's music time again In-Reply-To: <20060209085121.GN12630@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> <1139461477.5850.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060209085121.GN12630@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0602090511p72193a3ese223eeaed47a6bd0@mail.gmail.com> On 2/9/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > One day, I'll spend some money and get a soundcard that costs more > than 20 quid and speakers that were meant for more than Doom. Then > maybe I'll stick with a track long enough to produce something > polished. > You know, it probably isn't as necessary as you think. All studio monitors do (IMO) is give you a good listening environment when you're mixing. However, they are not 'required' to get a good mix. If you know the qualities of what ever speakers you are working on, and they ALL have limitations, then you adjust your mix accordingly. When you have something you think might stand up on a better system, burn a CD and go listen to it elsewhere. Take it to the big system in the living room. Most certainly listen to it in the car. To a friend's house. A boom box by the pool. A/B your mix against some other CD that has some of the qualities that you are looking for. When you decide that something needs fixing on the other systems, go back and listen to your CD on the Doom'ed speakers and see why you missed it. Fix it, burn a new CD, rinse and repeat if necessary. I mix on $1200 speakers and it doesn't change that process at all. It's what I do every time. 2.5 cents for free, Mark From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Feb 9 08:20:38 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Feb 9 08:20:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: It's music time again In-Reply-To: <2def88b80602090451y431cb31bh@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> <20060209085121.GN12630@phlunky.Belkin> <2def88b80602090451y431cb31bh@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602091320.38577.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 09 February 2006 12:51, Arnold Krille was like: > 2006/2/9, james@dis-dot-dat.net : > > One day, I'll spend some money and get a soundcard that costs more > > than 20 quid and speakers that were meant for more than Doom. ?Then > > maybe I'll stick with a track long enough to produce something > > polished. > > > >From my (limited) experience: Start learning to polish before you buy > > new equipment! > Often we think "If I have this and that, all we go easily" but the > truth is that all the technical gimmicks like soundcards, speakers, > preamps, amps, micorphones are just tools. If you know what you are > doing you can get the best possible out of the most crappy hardware. > If you don't know what you are doing, it won't get any better with > speakers that cost 1000? each. > > Start polishing, mastering, etc before you decide which new gear you buy... > > And continue to make music! I just want to say a big AYE to that! I made 'Do what you can with what you've got' a production rule a few years ago and my productivity soared. Anything you can't put your hands on right now only exists in the world of fantasy. Not making the album because you haven't got the latest bit of kit / musicians / whatever will SCREW YOU UP. The corollary to that is: 'Be grateful for the skills and equipment that you DO have' - some great albums were made with nothing but a beat up old guitar, beat up old voice and a walkman. As it happens, we also have a huge pile of excellent software. That said, one day I too will spend some money and get a soundcard that costs more than 20 quid, hopefully on the proceeds of the beat up old solo acoustic album I recorded in my front room. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From timg at expressmart.com Thu Feb 9 08:36:06 2006 From: timg at expressmart.com (timg) Date: Thu Feb 9 08:31:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: It's music time again In-Reply-To: <200602091320.38577.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> <20060209085121.GN12630@phlunky.Belkin> <2def88b80602090451y431cb31bh@mail.gmail.com> <200602091320.38577.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <43EB4546.5090108@expressmart.com> tim hall wrote: >On Thursday 09 February 2006 12:51, Arnold Krille was like: > > >>2006/2/9, james@dis-dot-dat.net : >> >> >>>One day, I'll spend some money and get a soundcard that costs more >>>than 20 quid and speakers that were meant for more than Doom. Then >>>maybe I'll stick with a track long enough to produce something >>>polished. >>> >>> >>> >>>From my (limited) experience: Start learning to polish before you buy >> >>new equipment! >>Often we think "If I have this and that, all we go easily" but the >>truth is that all the technical gimmicks like soundcards, speakers, >>preamps, amps, micorphones are just tools. If you know what you are >>doing you can get the best possible out of the most crappy hardware. >>If you don't know what you are doing, it won't get any better with >>speakers that cost 1000? each. >> >>Start polishing, mastering, etc before you decide which new gear you buy... >> >>And continue to make music! >> >> > >I just want to say a big AYE to that! > >I made 'Do what you can with what you've got' a production rule a few years >ago and my productivity soared. Anything you can't put your hands on right >now only exists in the world of fantasy. Not making the album because you >haven't got the latest bit of kit / musicians / whatever will SCREW YOU UP. > >The corollary to that is: 'Be grateful for the skills and equipment that you >DO have' - some great albums were made with nothing but a beat up old guitar, >beat up old voice and a walkman. As it happens, we also have a huge pile of >excellent software. > >That said, one day I too will spend some money and get a soundcard that costs >more than 20 quid, hopefully on the proceeds of the beat up old solo acoustic >album I recorded in my front room. ;) > > Perhaps the Best advice I can give is to SAVE / archive anything in it's rawest form... remixing / masterin with better gear later in live can be a riot. -- Timothy Alan Gorman Petr-all Petroleum 6567 Kinne rd Dewitt ny 13214 Cell 315 415 8108 Office 315 446 0125 x 126 From jri at broadpark.no Thu Feb 9 10:07:13 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Thu Feb 9 10:07:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xjadeo on Ubuntu Linux In-Reply-To: <43EACF5F.2090806@sympatico.ca> References: <43EACF5F.2090806@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <43EB5AA1.9060000@broadpark.no> Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > Hello, > I'm trying to build xjadeo and configuration stops with this error: > > checking for avcodec_init in -lavformat... no configure: error: *** > VIDEO: You need libavcodec-dev installed. *** > The development libraries for libavcodec and libavformat are both > installed. > I tryed uninstalling the Ubuntu packages and building my own ffmpeg from > CVS and still I get the same error. > Any help would be highly appreciated!! xjadeo is the only answer for > syncing video and audio on Linux. Thanks to Luis Garrido for his work! Seems to be a good answer aswell, if one could only get it working ;) What I did: First, hooked up the official deb repository of xjadeo: http://xjadeo.sourceforge.net/ . Then I did NOT install xjadeo, but a package called libavcodeccvs from the xjadeo repository. This eliminated the compile-error, wich was the same for me as yours. I guess xjadeo is picky on versions of deps installed. But: After having encoded the mpeg-file i'm trying with mencoder, as described in the xjadeo README, I only get a blank window. The output is: ------------ djauto@djautolaptop:~/skjer$ sudo xjadeo yomtv.avi & [3] 12417 djauto@djautolaptop:~/skjer$ Input #0, avi, from 'yomtv.avi': Duration: 00:04:44.0, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 2945 kb/s Stream #0.0, 29.97 fps(r): Video: mpeg4, yuv420p, 352x240 original frame rate: 29.97 length in seconds: 284 total frames: 8511 ------------ ...so everything should be ok, no? Can someone help us further? Does it work for you, Hector? -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.1go.dk/ From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Thu Feb 9 10:09:49 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Thu Feb 9 10:10:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xjadeo on Ubuntu Linux In-Reply-To: <43EB5AA1.9060000@broadpark.no> References: <43EACF5F.2090806@sympatico.ca> <43EB5AA1.9060000@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <43EB5B3D.2040602@chapelperilous.net> Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > Seems to be a good answer aswell, if one could only get it working ;) > > > What I did: First, hooked up the official deb repository of xjadeo: > http://xjadeo.sourceforge.net/ . Then I did NOT install xjadeo, but a > package called libavcodeccvs from the xjadeo repository. This > eliminated the compile-error, wich was the same for me as yours. I > guess xjadeo is picky on versions of deps installed. > > But: > > After having encoded the mpeg-file i'm trying with mencoder, as > described in the xjadeo README, I only get a blank window. The output > is: > > ------------ djauto@djautolaptop:~/skjer$ sudo xjadeo yomtv.avi & [3] > 12417 djauto@djautolaptop:~/skjer$ Input #0, avi, from 'yomtv.avi': > Duration: 00:04:44.0, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 2945 kb/s Stream > #0.0, 29.97 fps(r): Video: mpeg4, yuv420p, 352x240 original frame > rate: 29.97 length in seconds: 284 total frames: 8511 ------------ > > ...so everything should be ok, no? Can someone help us further? Does > it work for you, Hector? Did you try playing music inside Rosegarden, Muse, Ardour, etc? xjadeo won't show anything until the Jack transport gets rolling. I built xjadeo last from source on Gentoo, it worked without any effort. -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From jri at broadpark.no Thu Feb 9 10:20:11 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Thu Feb 9 10:20:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xjadeo on Ubuntu Linux In-Reply-To: <43EB5B3D.2040602@chapelperilous.net> References: <43EACF5F.2090806@sympatico.ca> <43EB5AA1.9060000@broadpark.no> <43EB5B3D.2040602@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <43EB5DAB.3080000@broadpark.no> Brett McCoy wrote: > Did you try playing music inside Rosegarden, Muse, Ardour, etc? xjadeo > won't show anything until the Jack transport gets rolling. Yeah, I used Ardour and made sure it was the jack master, it was rolling at 120 bpm. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.1go.dk/ From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Feb 9 10:24:51 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Feb 9 10:24:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: It's music tim again In-Reply-To: <43EB4546.5090108@expressmart.com> References: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> <200602091320.38577.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <43EB4546.5090108@expressmart.com> Message-ID: <200602091524.52148.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 09 February 2006 13:36, timg was like: > tim hall wrote: > >On Thursday 09 February 2006 12:51, Arnold Krille was like: > >>2006/2/9, james@dis-dot-dat.net : > >>>One day, I'll spend some money and get a soundcard that costs more > >>>than 20 quid and speakers that were meant for more than Doom. Then > >>>maybe I'll stick with a track long enough to produce something > >>>polished. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>From my (limited) experience: Start learning to polish before you buy > >> > >>new equipment! > >>Often we think "If I have this and that, all we go easily" but the > >>truth is that all the technical gimmicks like soundcards, speakers, > >>preamps, amps, micorphones are just tools. If you know what you are > >>doing you can get the best possible out of the most crappy hardware. > >>If you don't know what you are doing, it won't get any better with > >>speakers that cost 1000? each. > >> > >>Start polishing, mastering, etc before you decide which new gear you > >> buy... > >> > >>And continue to make music! > > > >I just want to say a big AYE to that! > > > >I made 'Do what you can with what you've got' a production rule a few > > years ago and my productivity soared. Anything you can't put your hands > > on right now only exists in the world of fantasy. Not making the album > > because you haven't got the latest bit of kit / musicians / whatever will > > SCREW YOU UP. > > > >The corollary to that is: 'Be grateful for the skills and equipment that > > you DO have' - some great albums were made with nothing but a beat up old > > guitar, beat up old voice and a walkman. As it happens, we also have a > > huge pile of excellent software. > > > >That said, one day I too will spend some money and get a soundcard that > > costs more than 20 quid, hopefully on the proceeds of the beat up old > > solo acoustic album I recorded in my front room. ;) > > Perhaps the Best advice I can give is to SAVE / archive anything in it's > rawest form... > remixing / masterin with better gear later in live can be a riot. Then you will be able to restimulate and optimise those intimate timbres in the fullness of time! Now there's an optimistic reply! -- sorry, I just couldn't help it. !:] tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From brent at keycorner.org Thu Feb 9 12:43:39 2006 From: brent at keycorner.org (Brent Busby) Date: Thu Feb 9 12:43:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] External Midi through Alsa from Wine Message-ID: I have a lot of old analog and early digital synths. Many of them have had little sysex programs written for them in DOS and Win16 formats by various people here and there who, by now, may have forgotten that they ever wrote them, programs which are made to do neat things with sysex to some particular model of old synth. There are a lot of little DOS and Win16 programs out there like that. So, since programs like that are still useful even if you have something like JSynthLib around, I've been trying to get Alsa Midi working in both directions under Wine. Midi Out seems to be the easy part, as from what I've gathered from my own experiments and from articles on the Net, that has been working since some fairly old versions of Wine. However... I'm currently trying to get the Win16 program often seen online as ESQ135.ZIP or ESQ138.ZIP to work. It appears completely functional, and it even sees my Delta 1010 through Alsa with no special configuration. However, when I try to select the Delta for Midi _IN_, the program freezes for several seconds, then finally _seems_ to take the setting as though it had to think about it but finally did take it...and then the entire Wine process freezes hard enough that it can only be terminated with a kill -9. There seem to be some people on the Net who are actually using Windows sequencers (!) with Wine, so this can't be _that_ impossible, or at least I wouldn't think so with that being the case. A sequencer certainly should want Midi in both directions. The programs I'm trying to run are much simpler -- just little machine-specific sysex tools, which never exploit much more of the Microsoft API than you'd find in DOS or Windows 3.1. Is anyone here doing something like this? What is needed to get Midi talking to Wine? The Delta 1010 does show up in both the IN and the OUT pulldowns -- it simply freezes if I try to select it in the IN one. (Interestingly, the Delta comes up _already_ selected on the OUT interface...hmm.) I've already googled this quite a bit...responses vary from "it's impossible because Wine doesn't support Midi IN" to "it works but you need to add a special undocumented registry key to the Wine registry" to "I'm using Windows sequencers and I'm not having any problem." How interesting! For what it's worth, I've tried Debian sarge's Wine package version 0.0.20050310-1.2 (old, old, old...), and I'm currently running a hand-compiled install of the latest stable 0.9.7 (which is very nice running most non-midi stuff I've thrown at it!). They both behave the same with ESQ135.EXE. -- + Brent A. Busby, UNIX Systems Admin + "It's like being + + James Franck / Enrico Fermi Institute + blindsided by a + + The University of Chicago + flying dwarf..." + From x at branwelt.de Thu Feb 9 13:09:48 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Thu Feb 9 13:08:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden dssi problem In-Reply-To: <200602091032.46244.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> References: <847949093-1137798358-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-13016-@engine03.bwc.produk.on.blackberry> <43EA3D79.9030102@branwelt.de> <43EA43BC.3030007@branwelt.de> <200602091032.46244.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> Message-ID: <43EB856C.4090603@branwelt.de> Chris Cannam wrote: >On Wednesday 08 Feb 2006 19:17, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: > > >>I've added debug-output to MappedPluginSlot::~MappedPluginSlot >>[...] >>it's called 2 times in the non-working output, but no-times in the >>working output. >> >> > >Any chance you can get a stack trace of where it's called? One way to do this >would be to add the line > >assert(0); > > This had no effect. >at the top of MappedPluginSlot::~MappedPluginSlot(). That should cause a >crash in the sequencer process and (probably) show the KDE debug window with >a stack trace in it when the crash happens. That won't tell us the whole >story, because the stack trace will only be for the sequencer process (it >won't indicate what the GUI process tried to get the sequencer to do) but it >should get us somewhere... > >Of course, this will only work if MappedPluginSlot::~MappedPluginSlot() is >never called except in the "incorrect" situation. I just added an assert(0) >call to the function in my copy, and I found that the call never seems to be >reached in normal use, so I think this should be a safe assumption. > > > From tdhoward at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 13:54:40 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Thu Feb 9 13:54:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: It's music time again Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 05:11:54 -0800 > From: Mark Knecht > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] It's music time again > On 2/9/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > > One day, I'll spend some money and get a soundcard that costs more > > than 20 quid and speakers that were meant for more than Doom. Then > > maybe I'll stick with a track long enough to produce something > > polished. > > > > You know, it probably isn't as necessary as you think. All studio > monitors do (IMO) is give you a good listening environment when you're > mixing. However, they are not 'required' to get a good mix. If you I have a "home bedroom" studio with wierd acoustics, which makes it very difficult to get accurate sound, even from the highest quality studio monitors. So I use a set of high-quality headphones to do my mixes. It is much easier to get high-quality, accurate sound from a smaller transducer closer to the ear, rather than having your speakers moving a lot of air through a longer distance. It's also a lot cheaper... :-) -Tim From tdhoward at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 14:04:46 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Thu Feb 9 14:04:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: rosegarden+dssi Message-ID: Here is a brief intro to diff, patch, etc. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/1237 I think I put the patch in the main Rosegarden folder, and did something like "patch < patchfile.diff" if I remember correctly... It has been a while. Hope that helps. -Tim > i think this should be the right patch for me too. > i downloaded it but i don't know how to apply it. where do i have to > copy it? > > thanx > > emanuele > From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Feb 9 14:05:54 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Feb 9 14:05:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: It's music time again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060209190554.468f46f7@localhost> On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:54:40 -0800 Tim Howard wrote: > > Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 05:11:54 -0800 > > From: Mark Knecht > > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] It's music time again > > > On 2/9/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > > > > One day, I'll spend some money and get a soundcard that costs more > > > than 20 quid and speakers that were meant for more than Doom. Then > > > maybe I'll stick with a track long enough to produce something > > > polished. > > > > > > > You know, it probably isn't as necessary as you think. All studio > > monitors do (IMO) is give you a good listening environment when you're > > mixing. However, they are not 'required' to get a good mix. If you > > I have a "home bedroom" studio with wierd acoustics, which makes it > very difficult to get accurate sound, even from the highest quality > studio monitors. So I use a set of high-quality headphones to do my > mixes. > > It is much easier to get high-quality, accurate sound from a smaller > transducer closer to the ear, rather than having your speakers moving > a lot of air through a longer distance. It's also a lot cheaper... > :-) > > -Tim I would agree with that, but with one proviso, do a final check on a reasonable home audio, especially for bass - after all, this is where you hope your music will mostly be heard! -- F From james at dis-dot-dat.net Thu Feb 9 14:49:12 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Thu Feb 9 14:39:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: It's music time again In-Reply-To: <2def88b80602090451y431cb31bh@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060203213030.GD12630@phlunky.Belkin> <1139461477.5850.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060209085121.GN12630@phlunky.Belkin> <2def88b80602090451y431cb31bh@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060209194912.GO12630@phlunky.Belkin> On Thu, 09 Feb, 2006 at 01:51PM +0100, Arnold Krille spake thus: > 2006/2/9, james@dis-dot-dat.net : > > One day, I'll spend some money and get a soundcard that costs more > > than 20 quid and speakers that were meant for more than Doom. Then > > maybe I'll stick with a track long enough to produce something > > polished. > > From my (limited) experience: Start learning to polish before you buy > new equipment! > Often we think "If I have this and that, all we go easily" but the > truth is that all the technical gimmicks like soundcards, speakers, > preamps, amps, micorphones are just tools. If you know what you are > doing you can get the best possible out of the most crappy hardware. > If you don't know what you are doing, it won't get any better with > speakers that cost 1000? each. > > Start polishing, mastering, etc before you decide which new gear you buy... You're right, of course. It's just hard to master properly when I have to leave go into a different room to hear it without cracks a pops and crunches on real speakers. > And continue to make music! > > Arnold > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Thu Feb 9 18:57:25 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Thu Feb 9 18:57:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: on kernel and low-latency In-Reply-To: <43EB344F.1050101@rumoridifondo.com> References: <43EB344F.1050101@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: <43EBD6E5.9040506@rumoridifondo.com> do i need to load commoncap and capability modules too? emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. ha scritto: > i'm using mandriva's kernel multimedia and realtime module. > is it necessary to load any other module to have a better low-latency > or any other expedient? > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Feb 9 18:59:46 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Feb 9 18:59:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: on kernel and low-latency In-Reply-To: <43EBD6E5.9040506@rumoridifondo.com> References: <43EB344F.1050101@rumoridifondo.com> <43EBD6E5.9040506@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: <1139529587.30058.142.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 00:57 +0100, emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote: > do i need to load commoncap and capability modules too? > > > emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. ha scritto: > > > i'm using mandriva's kernel multimedia and realtime module. > > is it necessary to load any other module to have a better low-latency > > or any other expedient? > > > All you need to do is load the realtime module. Lee From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Thu Feb 9 19:08:34 2006 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Thu Feb 9 19:07:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: on kernel and low-latency In-Reply-To: <43EBD6E5.9040506@rumoridifondo.com> References: <43EB344F.1050101@rumoridifondo.com> <43EBD6E5.9040506@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: <1139530114.29227.3.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 00:57 +0100, emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote: > emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. ha scritto: > > i'm using mandriva's kernel multimedia and realtime module. > > is it necessary to load any other module to have a better low-latency > > or any other expedient? > > > do i need to load commoncap and capability modules too? You may need to unload the capability module in order to get the realtime module to load (I had to, and I'm using one of Mandriva's multimedia kernels). I have this in a startup script: modprobe -r capability modprobe realtime gid=501 -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060210/bc6881e7/attachment.bin From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Thu Feb 9 19:11:24 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Thu Feb 9 19:11:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: rosegarden+dssi In-Reply-To: <20060209235756.C49BA593644@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060209235756.C49BA593644@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <43EBDA2C.1020608@rumoridifondo.com> thank you so much! i first copy the patch in rosegarden's source path and then i applied the patch with "$ patch -p1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Oggetto: > [linux-audio-user] Re: rosegarden+dssi > Da: > Tim Howard > Data: > Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:04:46 -0800 > A: > linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > > A: > linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > > >Here is a brief intro to diff, patch, etc. > >http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/1237 > > >I think I put the patch in the main Rosegarden folder, and did >something like "patch < patchfile.diff" if I remember correctly... It >has been a while. > >Hope that helps. > >-Tim > > From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Feb 9 19:14:28 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Thu Feb 9 19:14:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: on kernel and low-latency In-Reply-To: <1139529587.30058.142.camel@mindpipe> References: <43EB344F.1050101@rumoridifondo.com> <43EBD6E5.9040506@rumoridifondo.com> <1139529587.30058.142.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060210011428.7d8cd65e@mango.fruits.de> On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:59:46 -0500 Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 00:57 +0100, emanuele ..:: > www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote: > > do i need to load commoncap and capability modules too? > > > > > > emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. ha scritto: > > > > > i'm using mandriva's kernel multimedia and realtime module. > > > is it necessary to load any other module to have a better low-latency > > > or any other expedient? > > > > > > > All you need to do is load the realtime module. With the right parameters of course (just for completeness sake). Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Thu Feb 9 20:16:53 2006 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Thu Feb 9 20:17:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xjadeo on Ubuntu Linux In-Reply-To: <43EB5AA1.9060000@broadpark.no> References: <43EACF5F.2090806@sympatico.ca> <43EB5AA1.9060000@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <43EBE985.4010805@sympatico.ca> Thanks Johannes, that made it. I just enabled the marillat repositories in synaptic and installed ffmpeg and the dev packages. Xjadeo now configured and built with no problems... I'll try now with using it and I'll report back. cheers, Hector Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > Seems to be a good answer aswell, if one could only get it working ;) > > What I did: First, hooked up the official deb repository of xjadeo: > http://xjadeo.sourceforge.net/ . Then I did NOT install xjadeo, but a > package called libavcodeccvs from the xjadeo repository. This eliminated > the compile-error, wich was the same for me as yours. I guess xjadeo is > picky on versions of deps installed. > > But: > > After having encoded the mpeg-file i'm trying with mencoder, as > described in the xjadeo README, I only get a blank window. The output is: > > ------------ > djauto@djautolaptop:~/skjer$ sudo xjadeo yomtv.avi & > [3] 12417 > djauto@djautolaptop:~/skjer$ Input #0, avi, from 'yomtv.avi': > Duration: 00:04:44.0, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 2945 kb/s > Stream #0.0, 29.97 fps(r): Video: mpeg4, yuv420p, 352x240 > original frame rate: 29.97 > length in seconds: 284 > total frames: 8511 > ------------ > > ...so everything should be ok, no? Can someone help us further? Does > it work for you, Hector? > From tito at rumford.de Thu Feb 9 20:21:20 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Thu Feb 9 20:21:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack Endino on Recording, Bleach, Response curves of tape machines Message-ID: <200602100221.20681.tito@rumford.de> First weekend this year we/my band recorded what will be our next self-made extravaganza. Don't laugh: We recorded to my old half-inch 8 track machine because the A/D unit blew up on the second morning. Rock music still damaging things. In the aftermath it turned out that one of the Tascam's outputs had gone sour. So I download all of the internet looking for related stuff and come across http://www.endino.com/graphs/index.html which is a page called "The Unpredictable Joys of Analog Recording". It has frequency response curves of various tape machines and shatters 2 of my private myths about tape. Only then I realize that this page is part of Jack Endino's website, the Seattle man, the engineer that recorded Nirvana's "Bleach" and like 2000 other gems and I spend the rest of this blessed day with reading his stuff. "Articles & Archives" and "FAQ" recommended. http://www.endino.com/index.html -- Wolfgang From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 20:23:22 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Feb 9 20:23:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: It's music time again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0602091723r3a1ec1cfs477b9e1634ec1a1d@mail.gmail.com> On 2/9/06, Tim Howard wrote: > > Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 05:11:54 -0800 > > From: Mark Knecht > > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] It's music time again > > > On 2/9/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > > > > One day, I'll spend some money and get a soundcard that costs more > > > than 20 quid and speakers that were meant for more than Doom. Then > > > maybe I'll stick with a track long enough to produce something > > > polished. > > > > > > > You know, it probably isn't as necessary as you think. All studio > > monitors do (IMO) is give you a good listening environment when you're > > mixing. However, they are not 'required' to get a good mix. If you > > I have a "home bedroom" studio with wierd acoustics, which makes it > very difficult to get accurate sound, even from the highest quality > studio monitors. So I use a set of high-quality headphones to do my > mixes. > > It is much easier to get high-quality, accurate sound from a smaller > transducer closer to the ear, rather than having your speakers moving > a lot of air through a longer distance. It's also a lot cheaper... > :-) > > -Tim > Hi, I would agree that the sound is probably better, but I would strongly disagree that the sound space is accurate. With speakers, no matter the quality, each ear hears some of the output from each speaker. With headphones this is not the case. With headphones you have no mixing and hear left on left and right on right only. I would suggest that it's quite wise to do most of the work most of the time using speakers, even if they are not great speakers. Over time you'll learn the sound of the speakers and how to make a mix that sounds good elsewhere using them. Granted, it's not as much fun, and it woun't sound as good, but it will (eventually) lead to better results. It's certainly OK to use cans for casual and critial listening. People use them all the time and you want to make sure your mixes work well there also. I use headphones many days, but I find I get better mixes using monitors vs. headphones. Cheers, Mark From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Thu Feb 9 20:32:05 2006 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Thu Feb 9 20:32:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xjadeo on Ubuntu Linux In-Reply-To: <43EB5DAB.3080000@broadpark.no> References: <43EACF5F.2090806@sympatico.ca> <43EB5AA1.9060000@broadpark.no> <43EB5B3D.2040602@chapelperilous.net> <43EB5DAB.3080000@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <43EBED15.9080006@sympatico.ca> well, same problem here... I get a blank screen. I'll try the sourceforge forum, Luis answers very fast. Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > Brett McCoy wrote: > >> Did you try playing music inside Rosegarden, Muse, Ardour, etc? xjadeo >> won't show anything until the Jack transport gets rolling. > > > Yeah, I used Ardour and made sure it was the jack master, it was > rolling at 120 bpm. > > From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Fri Feb 10 04:26:27 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Fri Feb 10 04:26:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: rosegarden+dssi Message-ID: <43EC5C43.7030801@rumoridifondo.com> i get a series of errors like "warning: 'class xxx' has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor" (where xxx is the name of a class) and then i get this error: ------ matrixview.cpp: In member function 'virtual void MatrixView::setupActions()': matrixview.cpp:774: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault ------ maybe i'll use rosegarden's rpm. the reason i was trying to compile rosegarden from source was that rosegarden's rpm doesn't have dssi support. i'll continue using jack-dssi-host as dssi host. is there any benefit using rosegarden as dssi host rather than jack-dssi-host? bye emanuele emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. ha scritto: > thank you so much! > > i first copy the patch in rosegarden's source path and then i applied > the patch with "$ patch -p1 > it takes an infinity time to compile rosegarden! i'll continue > tomorrow... :( > > bye > emanuele > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Oggetto: >> [linux-audio-user] Re: rosegarden+dssi >> Da: >> Tim Howard >> Data: >> Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:04:46 -0800 >> A: >> linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu >> >> A: >> linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu >> >> >> Here is a brief intro to diff, patch, etc. >> >> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/1237 >> >> >> I think I put the patch in the main Rosegarden folder, and did >> something like "patch < patchfile.diff" if I remember correctly... It >> has been a while. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> -Tim >> >> > > From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Fri Feb 10 04:36:21 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Fri Feb 10 04:36:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: on kernel and low-latency In-Reply-To: <20060210092642.4A14159F8EE@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060210092642.4A14159F8EE@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <43EC5E95.1040300@rumoridifondo.com> thanks to lee, lars & flo. what are exatcly the role of realtime, commoncap (which is used by realtime, i saw with lsmod) and capability? i'm writing an how to on how configure a daw with mandriva linux (www.rumoridifondo.com/progetto_mdaw) and i will be really interested on the theme. about this, i will appreciate a collaboration of someone who will wants to do a good translation of my project from italian to english. bye emanuele > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Oggetto: > Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: on kernel and low-latency > Da: > Lars Luthman > Data: > Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:08:34 +0100 > A: > A list for linux audio users > > A: > A list for linux audio users > > >On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 00:57 +0100, emanuele ..:: >www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote: > > >>emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. ha scritto: >> >> >>>i'm using mandriva's kernel multimedia and realtime module. >>>is it necessary to load any other module to have a better low-latency >>>or any other expedient? >>> >>> >>> >>do i need to load commoncap and capability modules too? >> >> > >You may need to unload the capability module in order to get the >realtime module to load (I had to, and I'm using one of Mandriva's >multimedia kernels). I have this in a startup script: > > modprobe -r capability > modprobe realtime gid=501 > > > From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Feb 10 04:36:36 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Feb 10 04:37:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] External Midi through Alsa from Wine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060210093636.GB7698@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> Brent Busby wrote: > What is needed to get Midi talking to Wine? The Delta 1010 does show > up in both the IN and the OUT pulldowns -- it simply freezes if I try > to select it in the IN one. Does it work with a pure software device like the through port that you get after loading snd-seq-dummy? Regards, Clemens From dave at pawfal.org Fri Feb 10 05:39:15 2006 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Fri Feb 10 05:39:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fastbreeder (a genetic programming synth) Message-ID: <44359.193.203.82.226.1139567955.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> An experimental genetic programming synthesiser. This program is free software, developed for linux, using jack for audio. Fastbreeder is essentially a 4 button synth. The idea is to grow code by choosing from a range of automatically generated variations of functions, you don't have to know how they work, but each function creates a sound which can be selected by you. The following generation is then created containing mutants of your chosen sound. You can refine and develop the sound just by auditioning and choosing the best one each time. http://www.pawfal.org/Software/fastbreeder/ For those in the London UK area, I'm doing a short show and tell of this app at the next dorkbot: http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotlondon/ cheers, dave From BJaY at safe-mail.net Fri Feb 10 05:48:08 2006 From: BJaY at safe-mail.net (BJaY) Date: Fri Feb 10 05:48:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tube preamp emulation + tone controls, no drive Message-ID: Hi, I was using Tube preamp emulation + tone controls as part of my guitar set up but I can't get any meaty drive out of it any more. I just did a re-install from fc3 to fc4 planet ccrma. I run the pluggin in jack-rack, connected directly to the inputs. I have a meter on the same input and the signal seems hot. I had a lead sound with the gain setting at about 8 but now even on 10, I just get a slight crunch. Anybody got and suggestions ? Cheers, Bruce From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Fri Feb 10 05:53:25 2006 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Fri Feb 10 05:53:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fastbreeder (a genetic programming synth) In-Reply-To: <44359.193.203.82.226.1139567955.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> References: <44359.193.203.82.226.1139567955.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: <43EC70A5.70601@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! > Fastbreeder is essentially a 4 button synth. The idea is to grow code by > choosing from a range of automatically generated variations of functions, > you don't have to know how they work, but each function creates a sound > which can be selected by you. The following generation is then created > containing mutants of your chosen sound. You can refine and develop the > sound just by auditioning and choosing the best one each time. > > http://www.pawfal.org/Software/fastbreeder/ really nice ! (I once tried to make genetic programming in PD, but didn't finish it ... maybe I will try again now ;) LG Georg From carotinobg at yahoo.it Fri Feb 10 05:58:17 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Fri Feb 10 05:59:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: rosegarden+dssi In-Reply-To: <43EC5C43.7030801@rumoridifondo.com> References: <43EC5C43.7030801@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: <200602101158.17886.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 10:26, venerd? 10 febbraio 2006, emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. ha scritto: > is there any benefit using rosegarden as dssi host rather than > jack-dssi-host? The main reason is that when you save your project, Rosegarden save the configuration of your DSSI, patches loaded and so on, so you don't have to open jack-dssi-host with the right plugin and load the patch you needed. Besides, you can add directly some LADSPA to the DSSI track, without referring to another software. Final point, but this is more related to my setup, when I route the UART midi of my soundcard to Rosegarden, and I select a track inside Rosegarden, whichever channel I play on my MIDI keyboard, it gets translated on the fly (my midi keyboard is an arranger playing on different channels), while on Jack-dssi-host you have to route the midi everytime you change the instrument, choose the channel etc. These are the reason why I'm fond of DSSI, it makes easier working with synths in a sequencer, just like VST. Byez! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From dave at pawfal.org Fri Feb 10 06:14:48 2006 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Fri Feb 10 06:14:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fastbreeder (a genetic programming synth) In-Reply-To: <43EC70A5.70601@student.kug.ac.at> References: <44359.193.203.82.226.1139567955.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <43EC70A5.70601@student.kug.ac.at> Message-ID: <38126.193.203.82.226.1139570088.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> > Hallo! > >> Fastbreeder is essentially a 4 button synth. The idea is to grow code by >> choosing from a range of automatically generated variations of >> functions, >> you don't have to know how they work, but each function creates a sound >> which can be selected by you. The following generation is then created >> containing mutants of your chosen sound. You can refine and develop the >> sound just by auditioning and choosing the best one each time. >> >> http://www.pawfal.org/Software/fastbreeder/ > > really nice ! > > (I once tried to make genetic programming in PD, but didn't finish it > ... maybe I will try again now ;) it would be quite fun to get it to export pd patches :) cheers, dave From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Feb 10 06:28:31 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri Feb 10 06:28:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: on kernel and low-latency In-Reply-To: <43EC5E95.1040300@rumoridifondo.com> References: <20060210092642.4A14159F8EE@music.columbia.edu> <43EC5E95.1040300@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: <20060210122831.205f176b@mango.fruits.de> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:36:21 +0100 "emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.." wrote: > thanks to lee, lars & flo. > > what are exatcly the role of realtime, commoncap (which is used by > realtime, i saw with lsmod) and capability? > Hi, i'm only really sure about the realtime module. It provides a way for non root users to make threads run SCHED_FIFO and to use the mlock and mlockall commands. Both of which is necessary to get good realtime performance. See this page for some more info: http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=21 On linux midi/audio setup see this page: http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=40 Have fun, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Feb 10 06:29:48 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri Feb 10 06:29:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fastbreeder (a genetic programming synth) In-Reply-To: <44359.193.203.82.226.1139567955.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> References: <44359.193.203.82.226.1139567955.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: <20060210122948.27c53d07@mango.fruits.de> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:39:15 -0000 (GMT) "Dave Griffiths" wrote: > An experimental genetic programming synthesiser. This program is free > software, developed for linux, using jack for audio. > > Fastbreeder is essentially a 4 button synth. The idea is to grow code by > choosing from a range of automatically generated variations of functions, > you don't have to know how they work, but each function creates a sound > which can be selected by you. The following generation is then created > containing mutants of your chosen sound. You can refine and develop the > sound just by auditioning and choosing the best one each time. > > http://www.pawfal.org/Software/fastbreeder/ > > For those in the London UK area, I'm doing a short show and tell of this > app at the next dorkbot: http://dorkbot.org/dorkbotlondon/ Way cool. It would be even more cool, if the produced patches were midi triggerable. Still it's great fun to play with :) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From ivalladt at punkass.com Fri Feb 10 06:53:07 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Fri Feb 10 06:53:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Graphics card an realtime performance In-Reply-To: <20060208205031.GA7848@reus> References: <1193.213.160.208.235.1139331270.squirrel@dwerg.dnsalias.org> <20060207220646.3ec2e2db@mango.fruits.de> <20060208205031.GA7848@reus> Message-ID: <20060210115307.GE2468@spma33> Gerrit Niestijl escribe: > 9: 1 XT-PIC [........./ 0] acpi, ICE1712 > 10: 121 XT-PIC [........./ 0] uhci_hcd:usb1, EMU10K1 I would never share a soundcard's IRQ with ACPI's, I'd force IRQ 10 for my main soundcard. Just a thought. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Fri Feb 10 07:08:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: on kernel and low-latency In-Reply-To: <20060210122831.205f176b@mango.fruits.de> References: <20060210092642.4A14159F8EE@music.columbia.edu> <43EC5E95.1040300@rumoridifondo.com> <20060210122831.205f176b@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <43EC8219.7020505@rumoridifondo.com> ok, thanx. i'll check more information on that link bye emanuele Florian Schmidt ha scritto: >On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:36:21 +0100 >"emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.." wrote: > > > >>thanks to lee, lars & flo. >> >>what are exatcly the role of realtime, commoncap (which is used by >>realtime, i saw with lsmod) and capability? >> >> >> > >Hi, i'm only really sure about the realtime module. It provides a way >for non root users to make threads run SCHED_FIFO and to use the mlock >and mlockall commands. Both of which is necessary to get good realtime >performance. > >See this page for some more info: > >http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=21 > >On linux midi/audio setup see this page: > >http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=40 > >Have fun, >Flo > > > From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Fri Feb 10 07:13:59 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Fri Feb 10 07:14:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: rosegarden+dssi In-Reply-To: <20060210113000.340F85A23D1@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060210113000.340F85A23D1@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <43EC8387.3080503@rumoridifondo.com> damn, it's a shame that i don't manage to compile it.... thank you for the information bye emanuele > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Oggetto: > Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: rosegarden+dssi > Da: > Carotinho > Data: > Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:58:17 +0100 > A: > A list for linux audio users > > A: > A list for linux audio users > > >Hi! > >The main reason is that when you save your project, Rosegarden save the >configuration of your DSSI, patches loaded and so on, so you don't have to >open jack-dssi-host with the right plugin and load the patch you needed. >Besides, you can add directly some LADSPA to the DSSI track, without >referring to another software. Final point, but this is more related to my >setup, when I route the UART midi of my soundcard to Rosegarden, and I select >a track inside Rosegarden, whichever channel I play on my MIDI keyboard, it >gets translated on the fly (my midi keyboard is an arranger playing on >different channels), while on Jack-dssi-host you have to route the midi >everytime you change the instrument, choose the channel etc. > >These are the reason why I'm fond of DSSI, it makes easier working with synths >in a sequencer, just like VST. > >Byez! > >Carotinho > > > > > >___________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB >http://mail.yahoo.it > > > From robin at rektau.ukfsn.org Fri Feb 10 07:42:29 2006 From: robin at rektau.ukfsn.org (robin) Date: Fri Feb 10 07:42:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: rosegarden+dssi In-Reply-To: <43EC8387.3080503@rumoridifondo.com> References: <20060210113000.340F85A23D1@music.columbia.edu> <43EC8387.3080503@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: <43EC8A35.4040400@rektau.ukfsn.org> emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote: > damn, it's a shame that i don't manage to compile it.... > thank you for the information > > bye > emanuele Might be worth checking a package called alien which converts between various package formats. There is a rosegarden-dssi deb at http://willem.engen.nl/debian/dists/etch/dssi/binary-i386/ robin From ivalladt at punkass.com Fri Feb 10 08:36:51 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Fri Feb 10 08:37:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fastbreeder (a genetic programming synth) In-Reply-To: <20060210122948.27c53d07@mango.fruits.de> References: <44359.193.203.82.226.1139567955.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <20060210122948.27c53d07@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <20060210133651.GA6454@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:39:15 -0000 (GMT) "Dave Griffiths" wrote: > http://www.pawfal.org/Software/fastbreeder/ I'm sorry I've been unable to install this thing. The included README file tells to do: $ sudo scons install But there's not any executable called scons inside the tarball. There's a non-executable Python script called SConstruct but if fails if it's tried to run this way: # python SConstruct Traceback (most recent call last): File "SConstruct", line 4, in ? LibPaths = Split("/usr/local/lib") NameError: name 'Split' is not defined Maybe things need to be done manually. Any pointers welcome. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There's a non-executable Python script called SConstruct but > if fails if it's tried to run this way: > > # python SConstruct > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "SConstruct", line 4, in ? > LibPaths = Split("/usr/local/lib") > NameError: name 'Split' is not defined > > Maybe things need to be done manually. Any pointers welcome. You need to install scons (it's a separate build system). http://www.scons.org -- Brett -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From ivalladt at punkass.com Fri Feb 10 09:40:43 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Fri Feb 10 09:41:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fastbreeder (a genetic programming synth) In-Reply-To: <43EC97BD.2060909@chapelperilous.net> References: <44359.193.203.82.226.1139567955.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <20060210122948.27c53d07@mango.fruits.de> <20060210133651.GA6454@localhost.localdomain> <43EC97BD.2060909@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <20060210144043.GA8826@localhost.localdomain> Brett McCoy escribe: > You need to install scons (it's a separate build system). > > http://www.scons.org Thanks for the pointer! Unfortunately... In file included from src/Synth.cpp:17: src/Synth.h:19:31: error: spiralcore/Sample.h: No such file or directory src/Synth.h:22: error: 'spiralcore' is not a namespace-name src/Synth.h:22: error: expected namespace-name before ';' token src/Synth.h:35: error: 'Sample' has not been declared src/Synth.cpp:79: error: variable or field 'Run' declared void src/Synth.cpp:79: error: 'int Synth::Run' is not a static member of 'class Synth' src/Synth.cpp:79: error: 'Sample' was not declared in this scope src/Synth.cpp:79: error: 'sample' was not declared in this scope src/Synth.cpp:80: error: expected ',' or ';' before '{' token scons: *** [src/Synth.o] Error 1 I've googled for spiralcore but I've got no clue of what can it be. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Unfortunately... > > In file included from src/Synth.cpp:17: > src/Synth.h:19:31: error: spiralcore/Sample.h: No such file or directory > src/Synth.h:22: error: 'spiralcore' is not a namespace-name > src/Synth.h:22: error: expected namespace-name before ';' token > src/Synth.h:35: error: 'Sample' has not been declared > src/Synth.cpp:79: error: variable or field 'Run' declared void > src/Synth.cpp:79: error: 'int Synth::Run' is not a static member of 'class > Synth' > src/Synth.cpp:79: error: 'Sample' was not declared in this scope > src/Synth.cpp:79: error: 'sample' was not declared in this scope > src/Synth.cpp:80: error: expected ',' or ';' before '{' token > scons: *** [src/Synth.o] Error 1 > > I've googled for spiralcore but I've got no clue of what can it be. http://www.pawfal.org/Software/libspiralcore/ you'll need to check the other requirements too cheers, dave From brent at keycorner.org Fri Feb 10 11:05:54 2006 From: brent at keycorner.org (Brent Busby) Date: Fri Feb 10 11:05:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] External Midi through Alsa from Wine In-Reply-To: <20060210093636.GB7698@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <20060210093636.GB7698@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <20060210160554.GA26998@keycorner.org> On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 10:36:36AM +0100, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Brent Busby wrote: > > What is needed to get Midi talking to Wine? The Delta 1010 does show > > up in both the IN and the OUT pulldowns -- it simply freezes if I try > > to select it in the IN one. > > Does it work with a pure software device like the through port that you > get after loading snd-seq-dummy? Yes, I tested that yesterday. I can select the Midi through, and I can select the Delta 1010 provided I'm selecting it for OUT. The Delta shows up in the menus for IN, but if I choose it there, the program can then only be killed with SIGKILL or SIGINT. -- + Brent A. Busby, UNIX Systems Admin + "It's like being + + James Franck / Enrico Fermi Institute + blindsided by a + + The University of Chicago + flying dwarf..." + From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Feb 10 12:45:51 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Feb 10 12:45:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Graphics card an realtime performance In-Reply-To: <20060210115307.GE2468@spma33> References: <1193.213.160.208.235.1139331270.squirrel@dwerg.dnsalias.org> <20060207220646.3ec2e2db@mango.fruits.de> <20060208205031.GA7848@reus> <20060210115307.GE2468@spma33> Message-ID: <1139593552.30058.159.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 12:53 +0100, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Gerrit Niestijl escribe: > > 9: 1 XT-PIC [........./ 0] acpi, ICE1712 > > 10: 121 XT-PIC [........./ 0] uhci_hcd:usb1, EMU10K1 > > I would never share a soundcard's IRQ with ACPI's, I'd force IRQ 10 > for my main soundcard. Just a thought. Should not matter, ACPI IRQs are rare. Lee From ivalladt at punkass.com Fri Feb 10 10:10:59 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Fri Feb 10 13:40:37 2006 Subject: libspiralcore, was Re: [linux-audio-user] fastbreeder (a genetic programming synth) In-Reply-To: <56886.193.203.82.226.1139582716.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> References: <44359.193.203.82.226.1139567955.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <20060210122948.27c53d07@mango.fruits.de> <20060210133651.GA6454@localhost.localdomain> <43EC97BD.2060909@chapelperilous.net> <20060210144043.GA8826@localhost.localdomain> <56886.193.203.82.226.1139582716.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: <20060210151059.GA12462@localhost.localdomain> Dave Griffiths escribe: > http://www.pawfal.org/Software/libspiralcore/ > > you'll need to check the other requirements too Sorry for doing things in a dump way, thanks for the pointer. According to libspiralcore README file, it requires: * scons * jack * liblo * libsndfile So I've installed the following Debian packages: libjack0-100.0-dev liblo0-dev libsndfile0-dev scons But trying to compile it via scons install I get errors: include/Allocator.h:9: warning: 'class Allocator' has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor include/Allocator.h:32: warning: 'class RealtimeAllocator' has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp: In static member function 'static void spiralcore::AsyncSampleLoader::LoadLoop()': src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp:85: error: 'SFM_READ' was not declared in this scope src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp:85: error: 'sf_open' was not declared in this scope src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp:88: error: 'sf_strerror' was not declared in this scope src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp:91: error: 'struct SF_INFO' has no member named 'frames' src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp:96: error: 'struct SF_INFO' has no member named 'frames' src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp:97: error: 'struct SF_INFO' has no member named 'frames' src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp:99: error: 'struct SF_INFO' has no member named 'frames' src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp:101: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp:109: error: 'struct SF_INFO' has no member named 'frames' scons: *** [src/AsyncSampleLoader.os] Error 1 The same using g++ 4.0 and g++ 3.4. 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Any ideas? in the SConstruct, try changing: LibPaths = Split("/usr/local/lib") IncludePaths = Split("./include /usr/local/include") to LibPaths = Split("/usr/local/lib /usr/lib") IncludePaths = Split("./include /usr/local/include /usr/include") that might do it, I should have added the /usr paths before releasing cheers, dave From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Feb 10 14:11:09 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Feb 10 14:11:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <200602072350.54731.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <20060205201448.1849b994@localhost> <200602072350.54731.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20060210191109.2da67dca@localhost> On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:50:54 +0100 Nigel Henry wrote: > On Sunday 05 February 2006 21:14, Folderol wrote: > > OK, I guess it's put-up or shut-up time. > > > > I've put a couple of tracks on www.folderol.ukfsn.org They are quite > > different to what I've seen on here. I hope you like them. > > > > I'll put more on when either I get a decent soundcard or can change the > > instruments to use ZynAddSubFX voices. > > Hi Folderol. I too prefer your originals. I found them quite relaxing to > listen to, and makes a change to the Trance, Drum n Bass, etc, that I > normally listen to. Nigel. I'm glad you like the contrast. I also like to listen to music that isn't in my 'preferred' category. I find it makes refreshing change and widens your horizons. In fact, I don't think there is any musical style I cannot listen to at all. I am very encouraged by all these comments, and have converted two more pieces to use ZynAddSubFX and put them on my site (www.folderol.ukfsn.org). These are Sleepy Hollow, and Night Wind. I hope you like them. -- F From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Fri Feb 10 14:16:11 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Fri Feb 10 14:16:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: rosegarden+dssi In-Reply-To: <20060210144524.4D9E25A7652@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060210144524.4D9E25A7652@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <43ECE67B.2050900@rumoridifondo.com> thanx, i'll try to convert it from deb to rpm by alien, but it didn't work because of some dependecies. i'll try to solve the problem with rosegarden source. bye emanuele > > Oggetto: > Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: rosegarden+dssi > Da: > robin > Data: > Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:42:29 +0000 > A: > A list for linux audio users > > A: > A list for linux audio users > > > > Might be worth checking a package called alien which converts between > various package formats. There is a rosegarden-dssi deb at > http://willem.engen.nl/debian/dists/etch/dssi/binary-i386/ > > robin From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Fri Feb 10 15:56:56 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Fri Feb 10 15:57:04 2006 Subject: libspiralcore, was Re: [linux-audio-user] fastbreeder (a genetic programming synth) In-Reply-To: <20060210151059.GA12462@localhost.localdomain> References: <44359.193.203.82.226.1139567955.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <20060210122948.27c53d07@mango.fruits.de> <20060210133651.GA6454@localhost.localdomain> <43EC97BD.2060909@chapelperilous.net> <20060210144043.GA8826@localhost.localdomain> <56886.193.203.82.226.1139582716.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <20060210151059.GA12462@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060211075656.38bf27df.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > libsndfile0-dev libsndfile0 is at least three years old. Everyone I know of is using libsndfile1-dev > src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp: In static member function 'static void spiralcore::AsyncSampleLoader::LoadLoop()': > src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp:85: error: 'SFM_READ' was not declared in this scope > src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp:85: error: 'sf_open' was not declared in this scope > src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp:88: error: 'sf_strerror' was not declared in this scope > src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp:91: error: 'struct SF_INFO' has no member named 'frames' > src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp:96: error: 'struct SF_INFO' has no member named 'frames' > src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp:97: error: 'struct SF_INFO' has no member named 'frames' > src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp:99: error: 'struct SF_INFO' has no member named 'frames' > src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp:101: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions > src/AsyncSampleLoader.cpp:109: error: 'struct SF_INFO' has no member named 'frames' > scons: *** [src/AsyncSampleLoader.os] Error 1 Yep thats the problem. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "Visual SourceSafe? It would be safer to print out all your code, run it through a shredder, and set it on fire." http://www.wadhome.org/svn_vs_vss.txt From jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com Fri Feb 10 16:22:36 2006 From: jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham) Date: Fri Feb 10 16:37:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Learning to use a tracker Message-ID: <20060210212236.GB7965@chicagoguitar.com> I am sorry for the stupid question but I am interested in learning to use a tracker. I have heard music created with such software and I think it sounds pretty cool. I have never used a tracker before so I don't care if it is a good tracker. I just want to learn a tracker that is well documented for the tracker newbee. Later I may a use a better tracker but I am looking for one to use that is the most well documented at the moment. How different is seq24 from a tracker? i have used it and very much like it. I am also a csound junkie so I kind of want something that I can intergrate with csounds somehow. Didn't someone build a tracker interface to csounds or something once? I want the tracker to really give me ideas for things to do in csound. I like the sounds and ideas James comes up with using cheesetracker. I don't know how to get started using it though. I installed it and am scratching my head over how to get started with it. I tried freewheeling recording my csounds output from jack. That was alot of fun. I was looping extremely small samples and allowing them to clip creating really grungy sounds and controlling the notes on my external midi keyboard. So can anyone suggest a tracker that is well document and possibly anouther that has cool features that fit the kind of things that I like to do. Jeremiah From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Feb 10 16:44:57 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Feb 10 16:45:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Learning to use a tracker In-Reply-To: <20060210212236.GB7965@chicagoguitar.com> References: <20060210212236.GB7965@chicagoguitar.com> Message-ID: <200602102144.57747.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 10 February 2006 21:22, Jeremiah Benham was like: > I am sorry for the stupid question but I am interested in learning to > use a tracker. I have heard music created with such software and I think > it sounds pretty cool. I have never used a tracker before so I don't > care if it is a good tracker. I just want to learn a tracker that is > well documented for the tracker newbee. Later I may a use a better > tracker but I am looking for one to use that is the most well documented > at the moment. How different is seq24 from a tracker? i have used it and > very much like it. I am also a csound junkie so I kind of want something > that I can intergrate with csounds somehow. Didn't someone build a > tracker interface to csounds or something once? I want the tracker to > really give me ideas for things to do in csound. I like the sounds and > ideas James comes up with using cheesetracker. I don't know how to get > started using it though. I installed it and am scratching my head over > how to get started with it. I tried freewheeling recording my csounds > output from jack. That was alot of fun. I was looping extremely small > samples and allowing them to clip creating really grungy sounds and > controlling the notes on my external midi keyboard. So can anyone > suggest a tracker that is well document and possibly anouther that has > cool features that fit the kind of things that I like to do. Well, if it's docs you want: http://www.agnula.org/documentation/dp_tutorials/soundtracker/ The principles probably apply to other species too. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Feb 10 17:42:18 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Feb 10 17:16:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Learning to use a tracker In-Reply-To: <200602102144.57747.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060210212236.GB7965@chicagoguitar.com> <200602102144.57747.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <43ED16CA.2020704@woh.rr.com> tim hall wrote: >On Friday 10 February 2006 21:22, Jeremiah Benham was like: > > >>I am sorry for the stupid question but I am interested in learning to >>use a tracker. [snip] >> >> > >Well, if it's docs you want: >http://www.agnula.org/documentation/dp_tutorials/soundtracker/ >The principles probably apply to other species too. > > I appreciate the link, but I'd suggest heading over to the United Trackers site and checking out the tutorial material there http://www.united-trackers.org/ Jeremiah, here's a breakdown for you: seq24 - loop-based MIDI sequencer Rosegarden, MusE - track-based MIDI sequencers SoundTracker, Cheesetracker, SkaleTracker - native Linux sample-based trackers KMidiTracker, ShakeTracker - hybrid MIDI/tracker architectures Buzz - Windows tracker-on-steroids that runs under WINE All have their purposes and best applications. I love tracking, but I haven't kept up with it since Michael Krause left off development of SoundTracker. You might also check out this page: http://linux-sound.org/mod.html Best, dp From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 10 17:35:05 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Fri Feb 10 17:35:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Learning to use a tracker In-Reply-To: <20060210212236.GB7965@chicagoguitar.com> Message-ID: <20060210223505.17817.qmail@web52601.mail.yahoo.com> If you are new to using a tracker, I would suggest Seq24: http://filter24.org/seq24/ http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8304 After you get the hang of it, you can go back to cheese tracker, or try LMMS: http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ --- Jeremiah Benham wrote: > I am sorry for the stupid question but I am > interested in learning to > use a tracker. I have heard music created with such > software and I think > it sounds pretty cool. I have never used a tracker > before so I don't > care if it is a good tracker. I just want to learn a > tracker that is > well documented for the tracker newbee. Later I may > a use a better > tracker but I am looking for one to use that is the > most well documented > at the moment. How different is seq24 from a > tracker? i have used it and > very much like it. I am also a csound junkie so I > kind of want something > that I can intergrate with csounds somehow. Didn't > someone build a > tracker interface to csounds or something once? I > want the tracker to > really give me ideas for things to do in csound. I > like the sounds and > ideas James comes up with using cheesetracker. I > don't know how to get > started using it though. I installed it and am > scratching my head over > how to get started with it. I tried freewheeling > recording my csounds > output from jack. That was alot of fun. I was > looping extremely small > samples and allowing them to clip creating really > grungy sounds and > controlling the notes on my external midi keyboard. > So can anyone > suggest a tracker that is well document and possibly > anouther that has > cool features that fit the kind of things that I > like to do. > > Jeremiah > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 18:38:31 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Feb 10 18:38:44 2006 Subject: libspiralcore, was Re: [linux-audio-user] fastbreeder (a genetic programming synth) In-Reply-To: <20060211075656.38bf27df.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <44359.193.203.82.226.1139567955.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <20060210122948.27c53d07@mango.fruits.de> <20060210133651.GA6454@localhost.localdomain> <43EC97BD.2060909@chapelperilous.net> <20060210144043.GA8826@localhost.localdomain> <56886.193.203.82.226.1139582716.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <20060210151059.GA12462@localhost.localdomain> <20060211075656.38bf27df.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: On 2/11/06, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > > libsndfile0-dev > > libsndfile0 is at least three years old. Everyone I know of is using > libsndfile1-dev > > Isn't three years old standard for debian? ..... /me hides sorry, just couldn't help it. Loki From pinojazz at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 18:43:42 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Fri Feb 10 18:44:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?iso-8859-1?q?m=FAsica=2Cmusic=2Cmuzik=2Cmus?= =?iso-8859-1?q?ique=2E=2E=2E=2E?= Message-ID: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg Gracias: ardour,hydrogen,muse,zynaddsubfx,seq24,qsynth .... Gracias a todos: GNU ,Linux ,Debian,Planet CCRMA,DeMuDi,Musix ..... A todos.... everyone.... tout le monde ... thank you ,obrigado ,tanke , mercy ,tak .... From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Fri Feb 10 19:17:13 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Fri Feb 10 19:17:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden+DSSI on Mandriva: OK! Message-ID: <43ED2D09.1040309@rumoridifondo.com> finally i manage to compile rosegarden+dssi support with mandriva!!!!! i used mandriva's .src.rpm package. it includes the right patches to apply! i'm so appy! i'll try to build an rpm. can i distribuite a version of rosegarden compiled by me? do i have to ask author's autorization? goodnight emanuele From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Fri Feb 10 19:33:24 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Fri Feb 10 19:26:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?iso-8859-1?B?bfpz?= =?iso-8859-1?B?aWNhLG11c2ljLG11emlrLG11c2lxdWUuLi4u?= In-Reply-To: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060211003324.GH5031@linux-1> On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:43:42AM +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg Nice ! I enjoyed listening to this, and will again ! -- FA From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Feb 10 19:36:59 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri Feb 10 19:34:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2Cmusic=2Cmuzik=2Cmusi?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?que=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1139618219.4790.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 00:43 +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg i am not much of a fan of this style of music but all i can say is "wow!" its hard to believe that you did this with the tools listed, but since there is no reason to disbelieve you, congratulations. this is a poster child for several aspects of linux audio. is that a real guitar playing lead + rythmn ? --p From monk at cafelug.org.ar Fri Feb 10 19:36:12 2006 From: monk at cafelug.org.ar (Leandro Monk) Date: Fri Feb 10 19:35:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2Cmusic=2Cmuzik=2C?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?musique=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43ED317C.30101@cafelug.org.ar> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Carlos Pino wrote, On 10/02/06 20:43: > > > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg > > > > Gracias: > > ardour,hydrogen,muse,zynaddsubfx,seq24,qsynth .... > > > Gracias a todos: GNU ,Linux ,Debian,Planet CCRMA,DeMuDi,Musix ..... > > A todos.... everyone.... tout le monde ... > thank you ,obrigado ,tanke , mercy ,tak .... Carlos, ??Excelente trabajo!! Felicitaciones - -- Leandro Monk Miembro del CaFeLUG www.cafelug.org.ar -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD7TF7pYloOBnHLswRAgO3AKDngSXPdx4gr1VU3A2FLBZQd2tINwCgpv6i u3h0YJ/zqIjv57V/3a2+CqU= =GvD3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: monk.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060210/f77a77e1/monk-0001.vcf From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Fri Feb 10 19:45:37 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Feb 10 19:45:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Learning to use a tracker In-Reply-To: <20060211003555.973925B78D9@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060211003555.973925B78D9@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Dave Phillips: > seq24 - loop-based MIDI sequencer > Rosegarden, MusE - track-based MIDI sequencers > SoundTracker, Cheesetracker, SkaleTracker - native Linux sample-based trackers > KMidiTracker, ShakeTracker - hybrid MIDI/tracker architectures > Buzz - Windows tracker-on-steroids that runs under WINE Let me also add radium, http://www.notam02.no/radium/ (hmm, I should get a more impressive screen-shot for the front-page...) From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Feb 10 20:14:11 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Feb 10 19:48:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Learning to use a tracker In-Reply-To: References: <20060211003555.973925B78D9@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <43ED3A63.3030708@woh.rr.com> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > Dave Phillips: > >> seq24 - loop-based MIDI sequencer >> Rosegarden, MusE - track-based MIDI sequencers >> SoundTracker, Cheesetracker, SkaleTracker - native Linux >> sample-based trackers >> KMidiTracker, ShakeTracker - hybrid MIDI/tracker architectures >> Buzz - Windows tracker-on-steroids that runs under WINE > > > Let me also add radium, http://www.notam02.no/radium/ > (hmm, I should get a more impressive screen-shot for the front-page...) And I forgot BEAST/BSE and LMMS. Both have elements of the tracker-style interface. dp From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Feb 10 19:55:15 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Feb 10 19:55:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2Cmusic=2Cmuzik=2Cmusi?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?que=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1139619317.19342.41.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 00:43 +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg > > Very nice, what hardware did you use? Lee From pinojazz at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 20:00:04 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Fri Feb 10 20:00:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2Cmusic=2Cmuzik=2C?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?musique=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <1139618219.4790.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <1139618219.4790.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43ED3714.1040005@gmail.com> Paul Davis wrote: >On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 00:43 +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > > >> http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg >> >> > >i am not much of a fan of this style of music but all i can say is >"wow!" its hard to believe that you did this with the tools listed, but >since there is no reason to disbelieve you, congratulations. > Believe me Paul,all that stuff was made with your wonderfull ardour 0.99,synced througt your greate jackd with the big muse and the fabolus hydrogen plus seq24 were I did the > this is a >poster child for several aspects of linux audio. is that a real guitar >playing lead + rythmn ? > > yes,two diferents guitars,the rythmn is a Cort Matt Murphy model,and the solo is a beatiful Ibanez PM-100 (Pat Metheny signature ),recorded in a terratec dmx6 fire (ice1712) with Behringer V-Amp2. Some parts of the sequence were made with a Roland GK3-A attached to the Ibanez guitar. the mixing procces is not my speciality ,I'm just a musician that loves the freedom. I only have thankfulness words for all of you. >--p > > > > > Saludos. --Carlos. From pinojazz at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 20:03:34 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Fri Feb 10 20:03:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?UTF-8?B?bcO6c2ljYSxtdXNpYyxtdXppayxtdXNp?= =?UTF-8?B?cXVlLi4uLg==?= In-Reply-To: <20060211003324.GH5031@linux-1> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <20060211003324.GH5031@linux-1> Message-ID: <43ED37E6.7000606@gmail.com> fons adriaensen wrote: >On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:43:42AM +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > > > >>http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg >> >> > >Nice ! I enjoyed listening to this, and will again ! > > > Glad you like ,Fons. Enjoy. Saludos. --Carlos From pinojazz at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 20:04:42 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Fri Feb 10 20:04:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2Cmusic=2Cmuzik=2C?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?musique=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <43ED317C.30101@cafelug.org.ar> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <43ED317C.30101@cafelug.org.ar> Message-ID: <43ED382A.4060105@gmail.com> Leandro Monk wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Carlos Pino wrote, On 10/02/06 20:43: > > > >>http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg >> >> >> >>Gracias: >> >>ardour,hydrogen,muse,zynaddsubfx,seq24,qsynth .... >> >> >>Gracias a todos: GNU ,Linux ,Debian,Planet CCRMA,DeMuDi,Musix ..... >> >>A todos.... everyone.... tout le monde ... >>thank you ,obrigado ,tanke , mercy ,tak .... >> >> > >Carlos, ??Excelente trabajo!! > >Felicitaciones > > > > Gracias,me alegro que te guste :-) . From pinojazz at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 20:13:39 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Fri Feb 10 20:13:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2Cmusic=2Cmuzik=2C?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?musique=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <1139619317.19342.41.camel@mindpipe> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <1139619317.19342.41.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <43ED3A43.5080005@gmail.com> Lee Revell wrote: >On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 00:43 +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > > >> http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg >> >> >> >> > >Very nice, what hardware did you use? > >Lee > > > > hi Lee, my machine has a Pentium IV 2.6Mhz ,1Gb ddr ,Terratec dmx6 fire (ice1712) soundcard ,and the guitars were recorded through a Behringer V-Amp 2. but the best part of my hardware is my guitar Ibanez PM-100 :-) From reuben.m at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 20:38:48 2006 From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin) Date: Fri Feb 10 20:38:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tube preamp emulation + tone controls, no drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/10/06, BJaY wrote: > Hi, > I was using Tube preamp emulation + tone controls as part of my guitar set > up but I can't get any meaty drive out of it any more. I just did a > re-install from fc3 to fc4 planet ccrma. I run the pluggin in jack-rack, > connected directly to the inputs. I have a meter on the same input and the > signal seems hot. I had a lead sound with the gain setting at about 8 but > now even on 10, I just get a slight crunch. Anybody got and suggestions ? If you want lots of crunch, run the singnal through the "Barry's Satan Maximizer" plugin, followed by the fast-lookahead limiter before you send it to the preamp-emulator plugins. For added effect you can place a valve saturation plugin between the limiter and preamp as well. Be careful how hard you push the maximizer, it only takes a little to get a very dramatic effect. -Reuben > > Cheers, > > Bruce > > From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Fri Feb 10 20:48:14 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Fri Feb 10 20:48:05 2006 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[linux-audio-user]_m=FAsica, music, muzik, musique....?= In-Reply-To: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2006210174814.951648@winxp1> On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:43:42 +0100, Carlos Pino was like: > > > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg > Nice guitar work, and you did well with the production. ?Que Bueno! Ruben From pinojazz at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 20:51:43 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Fri Feb 10 20:51:56 2006 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[linux-audio-user]_m=FAsica, music, muzik, musique....?= In-Reply-To: <2006210174814.951648@winxp1> References: <2006210174814.951648@winxp1> Message-ID: <43ED432F.3030704@gmail.com> Ruben Lopez wrote: >On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:43:42 +0100, Carlos Pino was like: > > >>http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg >> >> >> > > >Nice guitar work, and you did well with the production. ?Que Bueno! > > >Ruben > > > :-) Thank you Ruben. Glad you like. From reuben.m at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 20:52:21 2006 From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin) Date: Fri Feb 10 20:52:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Learning to use a tracker In-Reply-To: <43ED3A63.3030708@woh.rr.com> References: <20060211003555.973925B78D9@music.columbia.edu> <43ED3A63.3030708@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: On 2/10/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > > > > Dave Phillips: > > > >> seq24 - loop-based MIDI sequencer > >> Rosegarden, MusE - track-based MIDI sequencers > >> SoundTracker, Cheesetracker, SkaleTracker - native Linux > >> sample-based trackers > >> KMidiTracker, ShakeTracker - hybrid MIDI/tracker architectures > >> Buzz - Windows tracker-on-steroids that runs under WINE > > > > > > Let me also add radium, http://www.notam02.no/radium/ > > (hmm, I should get a more impressive screen-shot for the front-page...) If you like the old school style of trackers you might want to check out schism. It's an Impulse tracker clone for *nix that uses the modplug engine. Be sure to get the latest CVS, the latest release was quite a long time ago and there has been an incredible amount of work done to it since then. http://rigelseven.com/schism/ -Reuben > > And I forgot BEAST/BSE and LMMS. Both have elements of the tracker-style > interface. > > dp > > > From florin at andrei.myip.org Fri Feb 10 21:34:43 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Fri Feb 10 21:35:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mixing [was: It's music time again] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1139625283.3080.15.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Thu, 2006-02-09 at 10:54 -0800, Tim Howard wrote: > > Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 05:11:54 -0800 > > From: Mark Knecht > > You know, it probably isn't as necessary as you think. All studio > > monitors do (IMO) is give you a good listening environment when you're > > mixing. However, they are not 'required' to get a good mix. They're not required to do a passable mix, but for a good one you need a good reference point. Not many things, other than good monitors, can do that. > I have a "home bedroom" studio with wierd acoustics, which makes it > very difficult to get accurate sound, even from the highest quality > studio monitors. So I use a set of high-quality headphones to do my > mixes. Then fix the room's acoustics. Headphones are for specialized listening during the mix. They should not be the primary listening devices. Yes, even high-end phones. My Sennheiser HD 600 headphones (which some people argued were the world's best phones before being superceded by the HD 650) are way more "accurate" than my Alesis M1 Active Mk2 studio monitors. Yet I would never attempt to mix anything primarily on phones. The result does not translate at all on real-world speakers. > It is much easier to get high-quality, accurate sound from a smaller > transducer closer to the ear, rather than having your speakers moving > a lot of air through a longer distance. It's also a lot cheaper... It's also very different from the experience of listening on real speakers or studio monitors. My suggestion, since you may tend to not trust a nobody's opinion: Subscribe to the Sound On Sound magazine and read the articles. They offer excellent common-sense advice on anything, including how to mix songs. http://www.soundonsound.com/ Yes, they're not cheap, but that's because they're worth it. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From reuben.m at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 22:23:49 2006 From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin) Date: Fri Feb 10 22:23:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Songs to wear pants too... Message-ID: I just found out about this site from reading a blog... This guys takes requests to write songs and then posts them on the Internet. He releases one every couple of days, and they're pretty good! There are hundreds. All kinds of generas, stuff that rocks, the weird, the funny, it's all there. And the guy is only 21! Definately something people on this list would want to check out when they have the time. http://songstowearpantsto.com/ -Reuben From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 22:25:11 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Feb 10 22:25:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Rosegarden+DSSI on Mandriva: OK! In-Reply-To: <43ED2D09.1040309@rumoridifondo.com> References: <43ED2D09.1040309@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: On 2/11/06, emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote: > finally i manage to compile rosegarden+dssi support with mandriva!!!!! > > i used mandriva's .src.rpm package. it includes the right patches to apply! > > i'm so appy! i'll try to build an rpm. > > can i distribuite a version of rosegarden compiled by me? do i have to > ask author's autorization? > > goodnight > emanuele > You can, i.e point of gpl ;-) Doesn't thac do this already for mandriva? Or is his package older? x86_64 or x86? thac has both but not much for 64. Loki From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Fri Feb 10 23:11:23 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Fri Feb 10 23:11:31 2006 Subject: libspiralcore, was Re: [linux-audio-user] fastbreeder (a genetic programming synth) In-Reply-To: References: <44359.193.203.82.226.1139567955.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <20060210122948.27c53d07@mango.fruits.de> <20060210133651.GA6454@localhost.localdomain> <43EC97BD.2060909@chapelperilous.net> <20060210144043.GA8826@localhost.localdomain> <56886.193.203.82.226.1139582716.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <20060210151059.GA12462@localhost.localdomain> <20060211075656.38bf27df.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <20060211151123.51a6dc06.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Loki Davison wrote: > On 2/11/06, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > > > > libsndfile0 is at least three years old. Everyone I know of is using > > libsndfile1-dev > > > > > > Isn't three years old standard for debian? ..... I'll bite. Debian stable has libsndfile1: http://pdo.debian.net/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl? keywords=libsndfile&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all and that Debian stable was released in July 2005. People who have never taken the time to learn Debian would probably be surpirsed just how good it actually is. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Question #26118: Being friends with Christians and gays http://islamqa.com/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=26118&dgn=4 From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sat Feb 11 03:00:28 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sat Feb 11 03:02:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2Cmusic=2Cmuzik=2Cmusi?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?que=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <43ED3714.1040005@gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <1139618219.4790.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43ED3714.1040005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1139644829.10292.2.camel@eviltwin> On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 02:00 +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > Paul Davis wrote: > > >On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 00:43 +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > > > > > >> http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg > >> > >> > > > >i am not much of a fan of this style of music but all i can say is > >"wow!" its hard to believe that you did this with the tools listed, but > >since there is no reason to disbelieve you, congratulations. > > > Believe me Paul,all that stuff was made with your wonderfull ardour > 0.99,synced througt your greate jackd with the big muse and the fabolus > hydrogen plus seq24 were I did the > > > this is a > >poster child for several aspects of linux audio. is that a real guitar > >playing lead + rythmn ? > > > > > yes,two diferents guitars,the rythmn is a Cort Matt Murphy model,and > the solo is a beatiful Ibanez PM-100 (Pat Metheny signature ),recorded > in a terratec dmx6 fire (ice1712) with Behringer V-Amp2. > Some parts of the sequence were made with a Roland GK3-A attached to > the Ibanez guitar. > > the mixing procces is not my speciality ,I'm just a musician that > loves the freedom. > > Unlike Paul I *am* a fan of this style of music. This is really great! All I can say is - Russ Freeman had better watch his back ;-) -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From bbfk at gmx.net Sat Feb 11 03:23:55 2006 From: bbfk at gmx.net (Bernhard Kleine) Date: Sat Feb 11 03:21:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Alsa fails at boot, but not after manual alsaconf References: <1139308238.7908.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200602071932.26895.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: Am Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:32:26 +0100 schrieb Christoph Eckert: > >> What do I have to do to make sound start correctly at boottime? > > * Ensure alsasound has been added to your runlevel > * Ensure your modules.conf is properly built > Where does alsasound come from, it is not a package, nor a kernel-module. Version von alsa-base alsa-base: Installiert:1.0.10-3 M?gliche Pakete:1.0.10-3 Versions-Tabelle: *** 1.0.10-3 0 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Version von alsa-utils alsa-utils: Installiert:1.0.10-1 M?gliche Pakete:1.0.10-1 Versions-Tabelle: *** 1.0.10-1 0 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Kernel is 2.6.16-rc2 mit sound in modular form. snd_intel8x0 34844 0 snd_ac97_codec 98208 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_bus 2560 1 snd_ac97_codec i2c_sis96x 6788 0 usb_storage 36356 0 ub 23968 0 sn9c102 95244 0 videodev 9600 1 sn9c102 v4l2_common 8064 1 sn9c102 snd_usb_audio 84544 2 snd_pcm_oss 62496 0 snd_mixer_oss 20224 2 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 100744 4 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 26500 1 snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 11912 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm snd_usb_lib 18176 1 snd_usb_audio snd_rawmidi 27168 1 snd_usb_lib snd_seq_device 9484 1 snd_rawmidi snd_hwdep 10628 1 snd_usb_audio snd 60516 13 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_usb_lib,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_hwdep soundcore 10208 2 snd ohci_hcd 20996 0 usbcore 134020 8 ehci_hcd,usb_storage,ub,sn9c102,snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,ohci_hcd The only error I can notice in dmesg is ALSA sound/core/init.c:132: cannot find the slot for index 0 (range 0-0) There is another strange think I noticed. Could someone please explain to me: aus /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base: install snd-intel8x0 modprobe --ignore-install snd-intel8x0 \ $CMDLINE_OPTS && /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-intel8x0 there is another file .alsa-base in the same directory where this line reads: install snd-intel8x0 modprobe --ignore-install snd-intel8x0 \ && /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-intel8x0 which is the correct one? should the other file be removed? Any help appreciated. Bernhard Kleine From seablaede at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 03:35:14 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sat Feb 11 03:33:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mixing [was: It's music time again] In-Reply-To: <1139625283.3080.15.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <1139625283.3080.15.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <43EDA1C2.8090309@gmail.com> > On Thu, 2006-02-09 at 10:54 -0800, Tim Howard wrote: >>> > > Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 05:11:54 -0800 >>> > > From: Mark Knecht > >>> > > You know, it probably isn't as necessary as you think. All studio >>> > > monitors do (IMO) is give you a good listening environment when you're >>> > > mixing. However, they are not 'required' to get a good mix. > > They're not required to do a passable mix, but for a good one you need a > good reference point. Not many things, other than good monitors, can do > that. > Well I think you may have taken things a bit more literally than Mark intended, had to go back and read the thread though myself;) The above comment is DEFINITLY true. However there is a point where monitors(that approaches quickly) will make less of a difference than skill. I have a pair of TR8s, I would consider them fairly entry level monitors, flat enough to do mixing on. It is true that when you get used to monitors you can compensate a little by nature for some errors in EQ or the mix, but it is still not as accurate as doing it correctly the first time on a good set of monitors. The TR8s are at least accurate enough for my purposes, and give me a place to work on refining my skill level to allow me to take advantage of better equipment sometime later. It is VERY hard to refine your skill level when a LOT of the error in your mix comes from your speakers being completly wrong for the purpose. For instance if I tried to mix on my wife's computer speakers I would HATE my mixes, they would never have enough bass, very uneven response and overall sound absolutely like crud due to her computer speakers being designed to play MP3s and are EQd to make up for MP3s shortcomings, and to sound 'good' to your average listener. That being said though better monitors quickly become useless when the acoustics of your space cant support them. For example there is no point to me having better monitors in my space right now because my space is not accurate enough to really support a better quality. While better monitors may make some difference, there will be a noticeably better increase in quality from me working on the space sound, for probably noticeably less money. >> > I have a "home bedroom" studio with wierd acoustics, which makes it >> > very difficult to get accurate sound, even from the highest quality >> > studio monitors. So I use a set of high-quality headphones to do my >> > mixes. > > Then fix the room's acoustics. > > Headphones are for specialized listening during the mix. They should not > be the primary listening devices. Yes, even high-end phones. > > My Sennheiser HD 600 headphones (which some people argued were the > world's best phones before being superceded by the HD 650) are way more > "accurate" than my Alesis M1 Active Mk2 studio monitors. > Yet I would never attempt to mix anything primarily on phones. The > result does not translate at all on real-world speakers. > Also very true. Headphones != monitors. I can always tell when someone has mixed something on headphones instead of on monitors, there is a completly different sound to it and the balance is completly off typically. While they are VERY good at examining things in close detail to find errors, they are not something I would want to use for a complete mix. Also of note though is even if you have monitors, this is no substitute for listening to your mixes on various types of speakers, be it your home system, car stereo, etc to see how it sounds on many different qualities of sound systems. There are exceptions to this, but typically not in music mixing(I am thinking of install systems for art displays for example you only need to listen to it on the install system, or theater systems it is more important to listen to it in the space). As a side note SOS(Sound On Sound) is a good resource for this, and the eSub with them aint a bad(Read somewhat inexpensive) choice at all. Not to mention they have a linux music forum that occasionally gets some activity along with their rather good forums on music technology in general. Enough of the advertisement there though, the forums are free;) Seablade From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sat Feb 11 04:20:48 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sat Feb 11 04:11:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Learning to use a tracker In-Reply-To: <20060210212236.GB7965@chicagoguitar.com> References: <20060210212236.GB7965@chicagoguitar.com> Message-ID: <20060211092047.GS12630@phlunky.Belkin> On Fri, 10 Feb, 2006 at 03:22PM -0600, Jeremiah Benham spake thus: > I am sorry for the stupid question but I am interested in learning to > use a tracker. I have heard music created with such software and I think > it sounds pretty cool. I have never used a tracker before so I don't > care if it is a good tracker. I just want to learn a tracker that is > well documented for the tracker newbee. Later I may a use a better > tracker but I am looking for one to use that is the most well documented > at the moment. How different is seq24 from a tracker? i have used it and > very much like it. I am also a csound junkie so I kind of want something > that I can intergrate with csounds somehow. Didn't someone build a > tracker interface to csounds or something once? I want the tracker to > really give me ideas for things to do in csound. I like the sounds and > ideas James comes up with using cheesetracker. I don't know how to get > started using it though. I installed it and am scratching my head over > how to get started with it. I tried freewheeling recording my csounds > output from jack. That was alot of fun. I was looping extremely small > samples and allowing them to clip creating really grungy sounds and > controlling the notes on my external midi keyboard. So can anyone > suggest a tracker that is well document and possibly anouther that has > cool features that fit the kind of things that I like to do. Well if you've tried CheeseTracker, I'm out of suggestions. The tracker I used before that was Impulse Tracker on Win, years ago now. Why not give me a clue about what you want to do, and we can swap cheesetracker files? I can show you most of what you need, and then it's just a matter of playing. James > Jeremiah > > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From florin at andrei.myip.org Sat Feb 11 04:13:01 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sat Feb 11 04:13:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mixing [was: It's music time again] In-Reply-To: <43EDA1C2.8090309@gmail.com> References: <1139625283.3080.15.camel@rivendell.home.local> <43EDA1C2.8090309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1139649181.3080.19.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 03:35 -0500, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > there is a point where > monitors(that approaches quickly) will make less of a difference than > skill. > better monitors quickly become useless when the > acoustics of your space cant support them. > Also of note though is even if you have monitors, this is no substitute > for listening to your mixes on various types of speakers, be it your > home system, car stereo, etc to see how it sounds on many different > qualities of sound systems. Totally agree with all of the above. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sat Feb 11 04:28:48 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sat Feb 11 04:19:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?iso-8859-1?B?bfpz?= =?iso-8859-1?B?aWNhLG11c2ljLG11emlrLG11c2lxdWUuLi4u?= In-Reply-To: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060211092848.GT12630@phlunky.Belkin> On Sat, 11 Feb, 2006 at 12:43AM +0100, Carlos Pino spake thus: > > > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg > Cor blimey! That's really really good! I'll be waiting for more... > > Gracias: > > ardour,hydrogen,muse,zynaddsubfx,seq24,qsynth .... > > > Gracias a todos: GNU ,Linux ,Debian,Planet CCRMA,DeMuDi,Musix ..... > > A todos.... everyone.... tout le monde ... > > thank you ,obrigado ,tanke , mercy ,tak .... > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 11 04:36:31 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Sat Feb 11 04:36:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] música,music,muzik,musique.... In-Reply-To: <1139644829.10292.2.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <20060211093632.31394.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> Wow! Are there more tracks like that out there? Amazing! --- Jan Depner wrote: > On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 02:00 +0100, Carlos Pino > wrote: > > Paul Davis wrote: > > > > >On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 00:43 +0100, Carlos Pino > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg > > >> > > >> > > > > > >i am not much of a fan of this style of music but > all i can say is > > >"wow!" its hard to believe that you did this with > the tools listed, but > > >since there is no reason to disbelieve you, > congratulations. > > > > > Believe me Paul,all that stuff was made with > your wonderfull ardour > > 0.99,synced througt your greate jackd with the big > muse and the fabolus > > hydrogen plus seq24 were I did the > > > > > this is a > > >poster child for several aspects of linux audio. > is that a real guitar > > >playing lead + rythmn ? > > > > > > > > yes,two diferents guitars,the rythmn is a Cort > Matt Murphy model,and > > the solo is a beatiful Ibanez PM-100 (Pat Metheny > signature ),recorded > > in a terratec dmx6 fire (ice1712) with Behringer > V-Amp2. > > Some parts of the sequence were made with a > Roland GK3-A attached to > > the Ibanez guitar. > > > > the mixing procces is not my speciality ,I'm > just a musician that > > loves the freedom. > > > > > > Unlike Paul I *am* a fan of this style of music. > This is really > great! All I can say is - Russ Freeman had better > watch his back ;-) > > > -- > Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner > The Fuzzy Dice > http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html > > > "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of > others, we should be > glad of an opportunity to serve others by any > invention of ours, and > this we should do freely and generously." > > Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by > the governor of > Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. > 1744 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From andre.pereira at ig.com.br Sat Feb 11 02:52:36 2006 From: andre.pereira at ig.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?q?Andr=E9_Alves_Pereira?=) Date: Sat Feb 11 04:52:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?iso-8859-1?q?m=FAsica?=, music, muzik, musique.... In-Reply-To: <20060211093632.31394.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060211093632.31394.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200602110752.36187.andre.pereira@ig.com.br> I found other 2 on Pino web site: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz Andr? Magoo Em S?bado 11 Fevereiro 2006 09:36, Sean Edwards escreveu: > Wow! Are there more tracks like that out there? > Amazing! > From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Sat Feb 11 06:50:52 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Sat Feb 11 06:50:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Rosegarden+DSSI on Mandriva: OK! In-Reply-To: <20060211083307.D21FD5C0F82@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060211083307.D21FD5C0F82@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <43EDCF9C.5080309@rumoridifondo.com> no, he doesn't. my version is x86 32bit. i'll do it on my mandriva's mdaw project. bye emanuele > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Oggetto: > [linux-audio-user] Re: Rosegarden+DSSI on Mandriva: OK! > Da: > Loki Davison > Data: > Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:25:11 +1100 > A: > A list for linux audio users > > A: > A list for linux audio users > > >You can, i.e point of gpl ;-) >Doesn't thac do this already for mandriva? Or is his package older? >x86_64 or x86? thac has both but not much for 64. > >Loki > > From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Feb 11 06:53:17 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Feb 11 06:53:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] m?sica,music,muzik,musique.... In-Reply-To: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060211115317.GA6761@charly.SWORD> On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:43:42AM +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg Clear, dynamic, groovy. Well done (adding to my collection). Hi-hat might be a bit sharp and kick could do with a bit more belly, but that's it. > Gracias: > > ardour,hydrogen,muse,zynaddsubfx,seq24,qsynth .... How come you used both muse and seq24? Best, Thorsten Wilms From robin at rektau.ukfsn.org Sat Feb 11 07:53:12 2006 From: robin at rektau.ukfsn.org (robin) Date: Sat Feb 11 07:53:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Alsa fails at boot, but not after manual alsaconf In-Reply-To: References: <1139308238.7908.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200602071932.26895.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <43EDDE38.1080501@rektau.ukfsn.org> Bernhard Kleine wrote: > Am Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:32:26 +0100 schrieb Christoph Eckert: > >>> What do I have to do to make sound start correctly at boottime? >> * Ensure alsasound has been added to your runlevel >> * Ensure your modules.conf is properly built >> > > Where does alsasound come from, it is not a package, nor a kernel-module. > > Version von alsa-base > alsa-base: > Installiert:1.0.10-3 > M?gliche Pakete:1.0.10-3 > Versions-Tabelle: > *** 1.0.10-3 0 > 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main Packages > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > > > Version von alsa-utils > alsa-utils: > Installiert:1.0.10-1 > M?gliche Pakete:1.0.10-1 > Versions-Tabelle: > *** 1.0.10-1 0 > 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main Packages > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > > Kernel is 2.6.16-rc2 mit sound in modular form. > > snd_intel8x0 34844 0 > snd_ac97_codec 98208 1 snd_intel8x0 > snd_ac97_bus 2560 1 snd_ac97_codec > i2c_sis96x 6788 0 > usb_storage 36356 0 > ub 23968 0 > sn9c102 95244 0 > videodev 9600 1 sn9c102 > v4l2_common 8064 1 sn9c102 > snd_usb_audio 84544 2 > snd_pcm_oss 62496 0 > snd_mixer_oss 20224 2 snd_pcm_oss > snd_pcm 100744 4 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm_oss > snd_timer 26500 1 snd_pcm > snd_page_alloc 11912 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm > snd_usb_lib 18176 1 snd_usb_audio > snd_rawmidi 27168 1 snd_usb_lib > snd_seq_device 9484 1 snd_rawmidi > snd_hwdep 10628 1 snd_usb_audio > snd 60516 13 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_usb_lib,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_hwdep > soundcore 10208 2 snd > ohci_hcd 20996 0 > usbcore 134020 8 ehci_hcd,usb_storage,ub,sn9c102,snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,ohci_hcd > > > The only error I can notice in dmesg is > > ALSA sound/core/init.c:132: cannot find the slot for index 0 (range 0-0) > > There is another strange think I noticed. Could someone please explain to > me: > > aus /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base: > install snd-intel8x0 modprobe --ignore-install snd-intel8x0 \ > $CMDLINE_OPTS && /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-intel8x0 > > there is another file .alsa-base in the same directory where this line > reads: > > install snd-intel8x0 modprobe --ignore-install snd-intel8x0 \ > && /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-intel8x0 > > which is the correct one? should the other file be removed? > > Any help appreciated. > > Bernhard Kleine > > > I think alsasound = alsa (/etc/init.d/alsa) In my setup there is only a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base and not .alsa-base. The line with $CMDLINE_OPTS is the one I have. Moving .alsa-base out of the way might be worth trying. My setup is Demudi, a Debian CDD. robin From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Feb 11 08:40:04 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Feb 11 08:14:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2Cmusic=2Cmuzik=2C?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?musique=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43EDE934.1040202@woh.rr.com> Carlos Pino wrote: > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg > I must add my voice to the chorus of praise. :) I've enjoyed your other work, now this piece becomes another addition to my playlist of outstanding music made with Linux. Sweet, sweet, sweet. Beautful playing, nice mix, good groove, I give it a 10 out of 10. Thanks, Carlos! Best, dp From phanatic at volny.cz Sat Feb 11 09:13:44 2006 From: phanatic at volny.cz (Ctirad Fertr) Date: Sat Feb 11 09:05:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?iso-8859-1?q?m=FAsica?=, music, muzik, musique.... In-Reply-To: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602111513.44979.phanatic@volny.cz> Dne sobota 11 ?nor 2006 00:43 Carlos Pino napsal(a): > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg Very nice! What plugins (especially for reverb) did you use? And the wah effect is from v-amp2, too? Best regards, Ctirad From pinojazz at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 09:23:11 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sat Feb 11 09:23:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2Cmusic=2Cmuzik=2C?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?musique=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <1139644829.10292.2.camel@eviltwin> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <1139618219.4790.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43ED3714.1040005@gmail.com> <1139644829.10292.2.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <43EDF34F.1000803@gmail.com> Jan Depner wrote: >On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 02:00 +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > > >>Paul Davis wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 00:43 +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>i am not much of a fan of this style of music but all i can say is >>>"wow!" its hard to believe that you did this with the tools listed, but >>>since there is no reason to disbelieve you, congratulations. >>> >>> >>> >> Believe me Paul,all that stuff was made with your wonderfull ardour >>0.99,synced througt your greate jackd with the big muse and the fabolus >>hydrogen plus seq24 were I did the >> >> >> >>>this is a >>>poster child for several aspects of linux audio. is that a real guitar >>>playing lead + rythmn ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >> yes,two diferents guitars,the rythmn is a Cort Matt Murphy model,and >>the solo is a beatiful Ibanez PM-100 (Pat Metheny signature ),recorded >>in a terratec dmx6 fire (ice1712) with Behringer V-Amp2. >> Some parts of the sequence were made with a Roland GK3-A attached to >>the Ibanez guitar. >> >> the mixing procces is not my speciality ,I'm just a musician that >>loves the freedom. >> >> >> >> > > Unlike Paul I *am* a fan of this style of music. This is really >great! All I can say is - Russ Freeman had better watch his back ;-) > > > > Thanks :-) From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 09:24:39 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Feb 11 09:24:45 2006 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[linux-audio-user]_m=FAsica, music, muzik, musique....?= In-Reply-To: <20060211003324.GH5031@linux-1> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <20060211003324.GH5031@linux-1> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0602110624j115ab79cidbffe5b68571b3eb@mail.gmail.com> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:43:42AM +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg Nice track Carlos! From pinojazz at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 09:53:16 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sat Feb 11 09:53:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2C_music=2C_m?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?uzik=2C_musique=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <200602110752.36187.andre.pereira@ig.com.br> References: <20060211093632.31394.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> <200602110752.36187.andre.pereira@ig.com.br> Message-ID: <43EDFA5C.20507@gmail.com> Andr? Alves Pereira wrote: >I found other 2 on Pino web site: > >http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz > > > This 2 are a "demo" like to ilustrate the article that i wrote ,in spanish,last year. >Andr? Magoo > >Em S?bado 11 Fevereiro 2006 09:36, Sean Edwards escreveu: > > >>Wow! Are there more tracks like that out there? >>Amazing! >> >> >> > > > I will do more in the future,and you will hear it. Thanks. From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Feb 11 10:08:03 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Feb 11 10:07:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica,music,muzik,musiqu?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?e....?= In-Reply-To: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060211150803.27c12d72@localhost> On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:43:42 +0100 Carlos Pino wrote: > > > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg > > > > Gracias: > > ardour,hydrogen,muse,zynaddsubfx,seq24,qsynth .... > > > Gracias a todos: GNU ,Linux ,Debian,Planet CCRMA,DeMuDi,Musix ..... > > A todos.... everyone.... tout le monde ... > > thank you ,obrigado ,tanke , mercy ,tak .... Very good indeed. I've transferred it to my iRiver :) -- F From gn at hetnet.nl Sat Feb 11 10:18:39 2006 From: gn at hetnet.nl (Gerrit Niestijl) Date: Sat Feb 11 10:18:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Graphics card an realtime performance In-Reply-To: <1139348359.9244.39.camel@mindpipe> References: <1193.213.160.208.235.1139331270.squirrel@dwerg.dnsalias.org> <1139348359.9244.39.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060211151839.GA20210@reus> > The only reliable way to debug this stuff is with the latency tracer > (see the list archives for details). Here is a latency trace. I started sooperlooper with it's gui and loaded a loop. After a fem minutes some xruns occur that throw sooperlooper out of jack. The trace is from immediately after this. Does this reveal anything? gerrit preemption latency trace v1.1.5 on 2.6.14-rt22-debugy -------------------------------------------------------------------- latency: 89 us, #64/64, CPU#0 | (M:rt VP:0, KP:0, SP:1 HP:1) ----------------- | task: softirq-timer/0-3 (uid:0 nice:0 policy:1 rt_prio:1) ----------------- _------=> CPU# / _-----=> irqs-off | / _----=> need-resched || / _---=> hardirq/softirq ||| / _--=> preempt-depth |||| / ||||| delay cmd pid ||||| time | caller \ / ||||| \ | / sooperlo-5783 0D... 1us : common_interrupt ((0)) sooperlo-5783 0D.h. 3us+: do_IRQ (80713f8 0 0) sooperlo-5783 0D.h1 6us+: mask_and_ack_8259A (__do_IRQ) sooperlo-5783 0D.h1 12us+: redirect_hardirq (__do_IRQ) sooperlo-5783 0D.h. 14us : handle_IRQ_event (__do_IRQ) sooperlo-5783 0D.h. 16us : timer_interrupt (handle_IRQ_event) sooperlo-5783 0D.h. 17us : io_apic_timer_ack (timer_interrupt) sooperlo-5783 0D.h. 18us : handle_tick_update (timer_interrupt) sooperlo-5783 0D.h1 20us : do_timer (handle_tick_update) sooperlo-5783 0D.h. 21us : update_process_times (handle_tick_update) sooperlo-5783 0D.h. 22us : account_user_time (update_process_times) sooperlo-5783 0D.h. 23us : run_local_timers (update_process_times) sooperlo-5783 0D.h. 25us : raise_softirq (run_local_timers) sooperlo-5783 0D.h. 26us+: wakeup_softirqd (raise_softirq) sooperlo-5783 0D.h. 28us : wake_up_process (wakeup_softirqd) sooperlo-5783 0D.h. 29us+: try_to_wake_up (wake_up_process) sooperlo-5783 0D.h1 31us : activate_task (try_to_wake_up) sooperlo-5783 0D.h1 31us : sched_clock (activate_task) sooperlo-5783 0D.h1 33us+: recalc_task_prio (activate_task) sooperlo-5783 0D.h1 36us : __recalc_task_prio (recalc_task_prio) sooperlo-5783 0D.h1 37us : __recalc_task_prio <<...>-3> (62 62) sooperlo-5783 0D.h1 38us : activate_task <<...>-3> (62 7) sooperlo-5783 0D.h1 39us+: enqueue_task (activate_task) sooperlo-5783 0Dnh1 41us : try_to_wake_up <<...>-3> (62 74) sooperlo-5783 0Dnh. 42us : preempt_schedule (try_to_wake_up) sooperlo-5783 0Dnh. 43us : wake_up_process (wakeup_softirqd) sooperlo-5783 0Dnh. 44us : rcu_pending (update_process_times) sooperlo-5783 0Dnh. 46us : scheduler_tick (update_process_times) sooperlo-5783 0Dnh. 47us+: sched_clock (scheduler_tick) sooperlo-5783 0Dnh1 49us+: task_timeslice (scheduler_tick) sooperlo-5783 0Dnh. 51us+: preempt_schedule (scheduler_tick) sooperlo-5783 0Dnh1 53us : note_interrupt (__do_IRQ) sooperlo-5783 0Dnh1 55us+: enable_8259A_irq (__do_IRQ) sooperlo-5783 0Dnh1 57us : preempt_schedule (enable_8259A_irq) sooperlo-5783 0Dnh. 57us : preempt_schedule (__do_IRQ) sooperlo-5783 0Dnh. 58us : irq_exit (do_IRQ) sooperlo-5783 0Dn.. 59us : __schedule (work_resched) sooperlo-5783 0Dn.. 60us : profile_hit (__schedule) sooperlo-5783 0Dn.1 60us+: sched_clock (__schedule) <...>-3 0D..2 65us+: __switch_to (__schedule) <...>-3 0D..2 68us : __schedule (74 62) <...>-3 0D.h2 70us : do_IRQ (c039a4f4 9 0) <...>-3 0D.h3 71us+: mask_and_ack_8259A (__do_IRQ) <...>-3 0D.h3 78us : redirect_hardirq (__do_IRQ) <...>-3 0D.h3 79us : wake_up_process (redirect_hardirq) <...>-3 0D.h3 79us : try_to_wake_up (wake_up_process) <...>-3 0D.h4 80us : activate_task (try_to_wake_up) <...>-3 0D.h4 80us : sched_clock (activate_task) <...>-3 0D.h4 80us : recalc_task_prio (activate_task) <...>-3 0D.h4 81us : __recalc_task_prio (recalc_task_prio) <...>-3 0D.h4 82us : __recalc_task_prio <<...>-14> (1d 1d) <...>-3 0D.h4 82us : activate_task <<...>-14> (1d 8) <...>-3 0D.h4 83us : enqueue_task (activate_task) <...>-3 0Dnh4 83us : try_to_wake_up <<...>-14> (1d 62) <...>-3 0Dnh3 84us : preempt_schedule (try_to_wake_up) <...>-3 0Dnh3 84us : wake_up_process (redirect_hardirq) <...>-3 0Dnh2 84us : preempt_schedule (__do_IRQ) <...>-3 0Dnh2 85us : irq_exit (do_IRQ) <...>-3 0Dn.2 85us < (608) <...>-3 0.n.1 87us : preempt_schedule (__schedule) <...>-3 0.n.1 87us : sub_preempt_count (__schedule) <...>-3 0.n.1 89us : sub_preempt_count_ti (sub_preempt_count) vim:ft=help From pinojazz at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 10:29:08 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sat Feb 11 10:28:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] m?sica,music,muzik,musique.... In-Reply-To: <20060211115317.GA6761@charly.SWORD> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <20060211115317.GA6761@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <43EE02C4.2020009@gmail.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: >On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:43:42AM +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > > >>http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg >> >> > >Clear, dynamic, groovy. Well done (adding to my collection). >Hi-hat might be a bit sharp and kick could do with a bit more >belly, but that's it. > > Thank you Thorsten.I take note of this. > > > >> Gracias: >> >> ardour,hydrogen,muse,zynaddsubfx,seq24,qsynth .... >> >> > >How come you used both muse and seq24? > > Well,I read my post and see that doesn't finish my explaination,hehe,to much exciting about the messages recibed from many people. The tune begine a day checking and trying to learn about seq24,I was making a rythmn with it using qsynth with 2 sound fonts,bass and drums ,added zynadd tu look for some pads and arpegios,it was like a game,you can play with seq24 in live mode muting or unmuting the loops. After playing with it, and when I was a kind of structure on my head,here finish the seq24 work (it saves all as midi file) and merge project into MusE,that is more visual (for me) beguin the construction view of the project.After this I fire up ardour and hydrogen ,to start playing some guitar tracks,and look for a melody,first,and some rythmn chords later. Is the first time I use Muse and Ardour together.i'm impressed of how well run together,and how jackd can manage this. The audio recordings were made with all the stuff running: Ardour for audio tracks, Muse for midi,with Fluidsynth reading the midi scores of the brushes drums loop and the bass, and five diferent synths sounds managed by Zynadd. Seq24 serve to me ,in this project,to take the first notes of the history. > >Best, >Thorsten Wilms > > > Saludos. --Carlos. From pinojazz at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 10:30:57 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sat Feb 11 10:30:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2Cmusic=2Cmuzik=2C?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?musique=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <43EDE934.1040202@woh.rr.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <43EDE934.1040202@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <43EE0331.6080201@gmail.com> Dave Phillips wrote: > Carlos Pino wrote: > >> http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg >> > I must add my voice to the chorus of praise. :) I've enjoyed your > other work, now this piece becomes another addition to my playlist of > outstanding music made with Linux. > > Sweet, sweet, sweet. Beautful playing, nice mix, good groove, I give > it a 10 out of 10. > > Thanks, Carlos! > > Best, > > dp > > wow!!!!!!!!!1 hehe. i'm glad you like Dave. :-[ From pinojazz at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 12:00:14 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sat Feb 11 12:00:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2C_music=2C_m?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?uzik=2C_musique=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <200602111513.44979.phanatic@volny.cz> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <200602111513.44979.phanatic@volny.cz> Message-ID: <43EE181E.80000@gmail.com> Ctirad Fertr wrote: >Dne sobota 11 ?nor 2006 00:43 Carlos Pino napsal(a): > > >> http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg >> >> > >Very nice! > thank you very much >What plugins (especially for reverb) did you use? > Caps plate 2x2 (by Tim Goetze) in guitars plus TAP Stereo Echo (by Tom Szilagyi) in the solo guitar.The synths sounds were made with Zynadd and the effects come from it. > And the wah >effect is from v-amp2, too? > > yes. >Best regards, > >Ctirad > > > Saludos. --Carlos. From pinojazz at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 12:06:31 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sat Feb 11 12:06:19 2006 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[linux-audio-user]_m=FAsica, music, muzik, musique....?= In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0602110624j115ab79cidbffe5b68571b3eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <20060211003324.GH5031@linux-1> <5bdc1c8b0602110624j115ab79cidbffe5b68571b3eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43EE1997.3080200@gmail.com> Mark Knecht wrote: >>On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:43:42AM +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: >> >>http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg >> >> > >Nice track Carlos! > > > Thank you Mark. You help my a lot some time ago. Best. Saludos. Carlos. From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 12:12:45 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Feb 11 12:12:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mixing [was: It's music time again] In-Reply-To: <1139625283.3080.15.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <1139625283.3080.15.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0602110912t1e26aa30tca79477e5dcbe946@mail.gmail.com> On 2/10/06, Florin Andrei wrote: > On Thu, 2006-02-09 at 10:54 -0800, Tim Howard wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 05:11:54 -0800 > > > From: Mark Knecht > > > > You know, it probably isn't as necessary as you think. All studio > > > monitors do (IMO) is give you a good listening environment when you're > > > mixing. However, they are not 'required' to get a good mix. > > They're not required to do a passable mix, but for a good one you need a > good reference point. Not many things, other than good monitors, can do > that. > Florin, I certainly agree with your comment, but possibly you didn't see the quotes around my use of the word 'required'. I would contend that most any set of reasonably wide range speakers can be used to create a good mix. The real key is that the person doing the mixing MUST know what these speakers sound like. The engineer has to listen to LOTS of recorded music on these speakers so that she knows what's strong and what's weak about them. By getting very familiar with the sound of the monitors and how they create the sound of similar music one will then be able to mixes that are similar in nature. I would suggest that with even the best monitors in the world one has to listen to how they reproduce other recorded music before one can mix good music on them that will work on many systems. Granted - if the original post was suggesting that the speakers couldn't reproduce anything below 100Hz or over 10KHz then certainly they would not be acceptable. However, if they are able to get out to the edges of hearing then, even if they are not flat, with careful listening one should be able to do a reasonable job and that job can be checked against other systems after burning a CD. I think then, and only then, should an engineer stick on a set of headphones. Just my thoughts.... Cheers, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 12:16:23 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Feb 11 12:16:27 2006 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Re:_[linux-audio-user]_m=FAs?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ica, _music, _muzik, _musique....?= In-Reply-To: <43EE1997.3080200@gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <20060211003324.GH5031@linux-1> <5bdc1c8b0602110624j115ab79cidbffe5b68571b3eb@mail.gmail.com> <43EE1997.3080200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0602110916n78ac5ec8s1c26cb3e28fec834@mail.gmail.com> On 2/11/06, Carlos Pino wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > >>On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:43:42AM +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > >> > >>http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg > >> > >> > > > >Nice track Carlos! > > > > > > > Thank you Mark. > You help my a lot some time ago. > Best. > > Saludos. > > Carlos. Carlos, I remember! I'm glad my help goes somehow to helping with nice music such as this. I hope you'll continue to post as new songs come together. I was quite interested in your comments about how you used seq24. This is much the way I've composed using Acid Pro. I like to build the song structure in tools that support looping, etc. When the structure is together I usually rerecord all the audio myself and don't use the loops. However I've not done this with MIDI before. Good work on your part! Cheers, Mark From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 11 12:23:15 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Sat Feb 11 12:23:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] música, music, muzik, musique.... In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0602110916n78ac5ec8s1c26cb3e28fec834@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060211172315.88160.qmail@web52611.mail.yahoo.com> For those of you with mp3 players: ecasound -i after_the_pain.ogg -o after_the_pain.mp3 --- Mark Knecht wrote: > On 2/11/06, Carlos Pino wrote: > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > >>On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:43:42AM +0100, Carlos > Pino wrote: > > >> > > > >>http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Nice track Carlos! > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Mark. > > You help my a lot some time ago. > > Best. > > > > Saludos. > > > > Carlos. > > Carlos, > I remember! I'm glad my help goes somehow to > helping with nice > music such as this. I hope you'll continue to post > as new songs come > together. > > I was quite interested in your comments about how > you used seq24. > This is much the way I've composed using Acid Pro. I > like to build the > song structure in tools that support looping, etc. > When the structure > is together I usually rerecord all the audio myself > and don't use the > loops. However I've not done this with MIDI before. > Good work on your > part! > > Cheers, > Mark > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 11 12:37:44 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Sat Feb 11 12:37:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] música, music, muzik, musique.... In-Reply-To: <20060211172315.88160.qmail@web52611.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060211173744.45137.qmail@web52610.mail.yahoo.com> You can even replace the ogg file with the url and not even have to download it: ecasound -i http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg -o after_the_pain.mp3 For those of you with mp3 players: ecasound -i after_the_pain.ogg -o after_the_pain.mp3 > --- Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On 2/11/06, Carlos Pino > wrote: > > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > >>On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:43:42AM +0100, > Carlos > > Pino wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >>http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >Nice track Carlos! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Mark. > > > You help my a lot some time ago. > > > Best. > > > > > > Saludos. > > > > > > Carlos. > > > > Carlos, > > I remember! I'm glad my help goes somehow to > > helping with nice > > music such as this. I hope you'll continue to post > > as new songs come > > together. > > > > I was quite interested in your comments about > how > > you used seq24. > > This is much the way I've composed using Acid Pro. > I > > like to build the > > song structure in tools that support looping, etc. > > When the structure > > is together I usually rerecord all the audio > myself > > and don't use the > > loops. However I've not done this with MIDI > before. > > Good work on your > > part! > > > > Cheers, > > Mark > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From p.law at libertysurf.fr Sat Feb 11 14:14:29 2006 From: p.law at libertysurf.fr (pascal lawrynowicz) Date: Sat Feb 11 13:16:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] demudi on laptop Message-ID: <43EE3795.3040409@libertysurf.fr> Hi all, I run with great success a Demudi-1.2.1 on different desktop (personal and professional). I would like your opinion to install this Demudi on a laptop with this hardware : laptop : HP compaq nx6110 CPU 1,6GHz HD 5400rpm RAM 256M BUS 533MHz with a usb soundcard : Terratec Phase 26 Usb Your thoughts ? --PL --www.percunivers.com From pinojazz at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 13:20:01 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sat Feb 11 13:19:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAs_=3D=3FISO-8859-1=3F?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Q=3Fica=2C_=5Fmusic=2C_=5Fmuzik=2C_=5Fmusique=2E=2E?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=2E=2E=3F=3D?= In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0602110916n78ac5ec8s1c26cb3e28fec834@mail.gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <20060211003324.GH5031@linux-1> <5bdc1c8b0602110624j115ab79cidbffe5b68571b3eb@mail.gmail.com> <43EE1997.3080200@gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0602110916n78ac5ec8s1c26cb3e28fec834@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43EE2AD1.6080704@gmail.com> Mark Knecht wrote: >On 2/11/06, Carlos Pino wrote: > > >>Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> >> >>>>On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:43:42AM +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: >>>> >>>>http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Nice track Carlos! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Thank you Mark. >> You help my a lot some time ago. >> Best. >> >> Saludos. >> >> Carlos. >> >> > >Carlos, > I remember! I'm glad my help goes somehow to helping with nice >music such as this. > Has been invaluable for me. :-) > I hope you'll continue to post as new songs come >together. > > Sure. > I was quite interested in your comments about how you used seq24. >This is much the way I've composed using Acid Pro. I like to build the >song structure in tools that support looping, etc. When the structure >is together I usually rerecord all the audio myself and don't use the >loops. However I've not done this with MIDI before. Good work on your >part! > > Well,before I knew the computer tools for music (not many time ago) I did my compositions thinking, or looking for a melodic motive that can be harmonized (don't know if this is the right word) in many diferents ways and tempos or rhythms. Now with the machine I find easier to get involved in a rhythm game.And the midi score ( the blocks of the Muse arranger) give me a good "map" of the song. For me is a different aproach to the composition than I did till almost now. This is really the first tune I feel can be named as "tune".I got some others but are most sketches of futures releases (I hope). >Cheers, >Mark > > > Saludos. --Carlos. From pinojazz at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 13:21:21 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sat Feb 11 13:21:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2C__music=2C_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_muzik=2C__musique=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <20060211173744.45137.qmail@web52610.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060211173744.45137.qmail@web52610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43EE2B21.3070209@gmail.com> Sean Edwards wrote: >You can even replace the ogg file with the url and not >even have to download it: > >ecasound -i >http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg > -o after_the_pain.mp3 > > > >For those of you with mp3 players: > >ecasound -i after_the_pain.ogg -o after_the_pain.mp3 > > > > > Good. :-) From pinojazz at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 13:47:23 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sat Feb 11 13:47:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2Cmusic=2Cmuzik=2C?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?musique=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <20060211150803.27c12d72@localhost> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <20060211150803.27c12d72@localhost> Message-ID: <43EE313B.4060802@gmail.com> Folderol wrote: >On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:43:42 +0100 >Carlos Pino wrote: > > > >> http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg >> >> >> >> Gracias: >> >> ardour,hydrogen,muse,zynaddsubfx,seq24,qsynth .... >> >> >> Gracias a todos: GNU ,Linux ,Debian,Planet CCRMA,DeMuDi,Musix ..... >> >> A todos.... everyone.... tout le monde ... >> >> thank you ,obrigado ,tanke , mercy ,tak .... >> >> > >Very good indeed. > thank you. >I've transferred it to my iRiver :) > > > > Well done ;-). Saludos --Carlos. From florin at andrei.myip.org Sat Feb 11 13:55:14 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sat Feb 11 13:55:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mixing [was: It's music time again] In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0602110912t1e26aa30tca79477e5dcbe946@mail.gmail.com> References: <1139625283.3080.15.camel@rivendell.home.local> <5bdc1c8b0602110912t1e26aa30tca79477e5dcbe946@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1139684114.8668.0.camel@rivendell.home.local> OK, I see what you mean now and I agree. On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 09:12 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > Florin, > I certainly agree with your comment, but possibly you didn't see > the quotes around my use of the word 'required'. > > I would contend that most any set of reasonably wide range speakers > can be used to create a good mix. The real key is that the person > doing the mixing MUST know what these speakers sound like. The > engineer has to listen to LOTS of recorded music on these speakers so > that she knows what's strong and what's weak about them. By getting > very familiar with the sound of the monitors and how they create the > sound of similar music one will then be able to mixes that are similar > in nature. > > I would suggest that with even the best monitors in the world one > has to listen to how they reproduce other recorded music before one > can mix good music on them that will work on many systems. > > Granted - if the original post was suggesting that the speakers > couldn't reproduce anything below 100Hz or over 10KHz then certainly > they would not be acceptable. However, if they are able to get out to > the edges of hearing then, even if they are not flat, with careful > listening one should be able to do a reasonable job and that job can > be checked against other systems after burning a CD. > > I think then, and only then, should an engineer stick on a set of headphones. > > Just my thoughts.... > > Cheers, > Mark > -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From ross at lug.udel.edu Sat Feb 11 14:04:11 2006 From: ross at lug.udel.edu (Ross Vandegrift) Date: Sat Feb 11 14:04:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime-preempt without PAM? Message-ID: <20060211190411.GA20578@lug.udel.edu> Hello everyone, I've been using the Realtime LSM with 2.6 for some time now, but recent issues with apps getting dropped from Jack makes me think I should explore realtime preempt. I've built myself 2.6.15.1-rt16 and have it running. Everything I've read has information on configuring PAM to setup limits. My box is running Slackware, which doesn't use PAM. Is there some software I can use instead of PAM, for this purpose? -- Ross Vandegrift ross@lug.udel.edu "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell." --St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37 From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 14:13:21 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Feb 11 14:13:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime-preempt without PAM? In-Reply-To: <20060211190411.GA20578@lug.udel.edu> References: <20060211190411.GA20578@lug.udel.edu> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0602111113l7d38e4p714f49f6a06c5b0@mail.gmail.com> On 2/11/06, Ross Vandegrift wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I've been using the Realtime LSM with 2.6 for some time now, but > recent issues with apps getting dropped from Jack makes me think I > should explore realtime preempt. > > I've built myself 2.6.15.1-rt16 and have it running. Everything I've > read has information on configuring PAM to setup limits. My box is > running Slackware, which doesn't use PAM. > > Is there some software I can use instead of PAM, for this purpose? > > > -- > Ross Vandegrift > ross@lug.udel.edu Hi Ross, You know me. Just know enough to be dangerous to myself and those around me. I'm really bad in a car... ;-) I run 2.6.15-rt2 with realtime-lsm on Gentoo. I've never intentionally set up PAM and don't use the newer security stuff at all. Hope this helps, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 14:15:43 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Feb 11 14:15:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mixing [was: It's music time again] In-Reply-To: <1139684114.8668.0.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <1139625283.3080.15.camel@rivendell.home.local> <5bdc1c8b0602110912t1e26aa30tca79477e5dcbe946@mail.gmail.com> <1139684114.8668.0.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0602111115t43abc0a4j9c9b809ca64b86b3@mail.gmail.com> On 2/11/06, Florin Andrei wrote: > OK, I see what you mean now and I agree. > You and I are actually in 'violent agreement'. Sure, we can learn the sound of our bad speakers and over time and to a great degree learn to compensate. That said, I'm sure we'd both rather mix on a really nice set of ADAM's.... http://www.adam-audio.de/studio/studio_start.htm Cheers, Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Feb 11 14:26:48 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Feb 11 14:26:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Graphics card an realtime performance In-Reply-To: <20060211151839.GA20210@reus> References: <1193.213.160.208.235.1139331270.squirrel@dwerg.dnsalias.org> <1139348359.9244.39.camel@mindpipe> <20060211151839.GA20210@reus> Message-ID: <1139686009.19342.78.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 16:18 +0100, Gerrit Niestijl wrote: > > The only reliable way to debug this stuff is with the latency tracer > > (see the list archives for details). > > Here is a latency trace. I started sooperlooper with it's gui and loaded > a loop. After a fem minutes some xruns occur that throw sooperlooper out > of jack. The trace is from immediately after this. Does this reveal > anything? > > gerrit > > > preemption latency trace v1.1.5 on 2.6.14-rt22-debugy > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > latency: 89 us, #64/64, CPU#0 | (M:rt VP:0, KP:0, SP:1 HP:1) Your maximum kernel-induced latency is less than 0.1ms - this demonstrates that the problem is in one of your apps, not the kernel. Probably Sooperlooper does something that's not RT safe in it's process() callback. In order to find the bug in your JACK clients you can use the "user triggered latency tracing" feature of the -rt kernel (see list archive). Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Feb 11 14:31:09 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Feb 11 14:31:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime-preempt without PAM? In-Reply-To: <20060211190411.GA20578@lug.udel.edu> References: <20060211190411.GA20578@lug.udel.edu> Message-ID: <1139686270.19342.82.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 14:04 -0500, Ross Vandegrift wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I've been using the Realtime LSM with 2.6 for some time now, but > recent issues with apps getting dropped from Jack makes me think I > should explore realtime preempt. > > I've built myself 2.6.15.1-rt16 and have it running. Everything I've > read has information on configuring PAM to setup limits. My box is > running Slackware, which doesn't use PAM. > > Is there some software I can use instead of PAM, for this purpose? > > Please reread the list archives, you are completely misunderstanding the relationship between realtime-preempt, realtime LSM, and PAM. Florian and I have explained it many times. Short version: Forget about PAM, Just use the -rt kernel together with the realtime LSM. Lee From seablaede at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 15:00:01 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sat Feb 11 14:57:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mixing [was: It's music time again] In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0602110912t1e26aa30tca79477e5dcbe946@mail.gmail.com> References: <1139625283.3080.15.camel@rivendell.home.local> <5bdc1c8b0602110912t1e26aa30tca79477e5dcbe946@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43EE4241.7010401@gmail.com> > I certainly agree with your comment, but possibly you didn't see > the quotes around my use of the word 'required'. But then again having monitors at all might not be 'required' to get a good mix, you get really lucky. > I would contend that most any set of reasonably wide range speakers > can be used to create a good mix. With a lot of luck, yes. At least to create as good a mix as you could with better equipment skill level being equal. You are correct in that you can account for known problems in speakers but this is FAR from exact science, no matter how good you are at it. The less you have to depend on this the better off you are. If I was to use my wife's computer speakers for a mix compared to my Event TR8s there would be a NOTICEABLE difference, despite the fact I have probably even heard my wife's speakers more than my own monitors as I fall asleep listening to movies playing out of them and my studio I tend to work in a couple times a week at most, depending on where I am in a show as I spend a lot more time working elsewhere, either in meetings, collecting sounds, wiring systems, or even using the system in the space. All that being said I wouldnt touch her speakers for a mix as I know how bad they are, I know their frequency response, and I know that even if I attempt to compensate for it it wont be as good as my monitors for that purpose since I dont have to struggle to compensate for this by memory. Seablade From florin at andrei.myip.org Sat Feb 11 16:33:06 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sat Feb 11 16:33:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mixing [was: It's music time again] In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0602111115t43abc0a4j9c9b809ca64b86b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <1139625283.3080.15.camel@rivendell.home.local> <5bdc1c8b0602110912t1e26aa30tca79477e5dcbe946@mail.gmail.com> <1139684114.8668.0.camel@rivendell.home.local> <5bdc1c8b0602111115t43abc0a4j9c9b809ca64b86b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1139693586.8668.5.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 11:15 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > You and I are actually in 'violent agreement'. heh :-) > That said, I'm sure we'd both rather mix on a really nice set of ADAM's.... > > http://www.adam-audio.de/studio/studio_start.htm Adam is Da Bomb. Pretty expensive, too (sigh). -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 17:21:10 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Feb 11 17:21:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mixing [was: It's music time again] In-Reply-To: <1139693586.8668.5.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <1139625283.3080.15.camel@rivendell.home.local> <5bdc1c8b0602110912t1e26aa30tca79477e5dcbe946@mail.gmail.com> <1139684114.8668.0.camel@rivendell.home.local> <5bdc1c8b0602111115t43abc0a4j9c9b809ca64b86b3@mail.gmail.com> <1139693586.8668.5.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0602111421n412fd660rdd17769998c4a14a@mail.gmail.com> On 2/11/06, Florin Andrei wrote: > On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 11:15 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > You and I are actually in 'violent agreement'. > > heh :-) > > > That said, I'm sure we'd both rather mix on a really nice set of ADAM's.... > > > > http://www.adam-audio.de/studio/studio_start.htm > > Adam is Da Bomb. > Pretty expensive, too (sigh). > Aren't they!! Even more for us here in the US with the dollar/Euro stuff that we now contend with. I've recently made some environmental changes that make my NHT's sound much better, so I'll hang for awhile, but maybe one day..... Cheers, Mark From dana at ubuntustudio.com Sat Feb 11 21:24:45 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Sat Feb 11 21:24:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] realtime-preempt without PAM? In-Reply-To: <20060211190411.GA20578@lug.udel.edu> References: <20060211190411.GA20578@lug.udel.edu> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602111824t155a65bfl31102c311526bd22@mail.gmail.com> On 2/11/06, Ross Vandegrift wrote: > I've built myself 2.6.15.1-rt16 and have it running. Everything I've > read has information on configuring PAM to setup limits. My box is > running Slackware, which doesn't use PAM. > > Is there some software I can use instead of PAM, for this purpose? I just did a search: http://www.google.ca/search?q=realtime+slackware+pam&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial The first link there, I clicked on it, and it says "The set_rtlimit program can be used to set rtlimits for specific applications in case your distro doesn't ship modified PAM and bash:" That page is a bit out of date if you read it, so I went to the homepage described there, http://www.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~jwoithe Scroll down a bit and you'll see the new program, set_rlimits 1.2.0. You can get that and install & configure it, or just do what Lee says and use old realtime-lsm. Both methods work for me, although I run Ubuntu and use a patched and configured PAM. Dana From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Sat Feb 11 19:15:25 2006 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sat Feb 11 23:18:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Kernel 2.6.15.3-rt tests Message-ID: <200602120115.26320.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Hi, ????????I am working with this kernel right now. I compiled it into my GNU Linux box (Musix 0.30) following: http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Vanilla_Kernel_With_Realtime_Preemption ?And it works fine, but with a few "bugs" or problems. You can download it from: http://www.k-maleon.com/musix/deb Tests: PC Duron 1800Mhz, 120Mb RAM, HD 7200 RPM, SB Live! s?b feb 11 18:34:03 CET 2006 Kernel: Musix GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.15.3-rt-musix-2006-11-02 *rtirq works normally *Normal users can use RT *With: /usr/bin/jackd -R -P89 -t1000 -m -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p512 -n2 -s -S -i1 ? ? * Good: Ardour with 7 tracks and a lot of LADSPA FX: it worked well enough, using jackd in duplex and play only mode (with a 512 buffer, 44100Hz) ? ? * BAD: into this session, I opened JAMIN and all the system went very slow. Then I restarted jack into play only mode and it worked well: I could master the tracks connected to Jamin from Ardour outputs. lesser buffer size: ? ? * Regular: JAMIN, jackd duplex, buffer 256, it works fine, but whe i opened ardour: 4 (28) xruns while the hard disk was reading/writing. I think that with more ram than my little 120Mb it can do it much better. ? ? * Fine: jack: 48000 Hz, 1024 or 128 buffer (46ms latency or 5ms latency), play only mode, Ardour with 7 tracks: NO XRUNs at all. I opened Jamin and all goes well with 1024 buffer, but with the 128 buffer the system just got paralyzed. Hope it can help or serve you. Musix uses the DeMuDi kernel (when installed on HD). I'm needing to make a RT kernel that could boot from the Live-CD out of the box, so I am experimenting with it. I could not compile unionfs, but I will try again in these days. Cheers, -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) Mirrors: (www.musix.distrux.net) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) (www.k-maleon.com/musix) ________________________________________________ ?Llam? a todo el mundo con las mejores tarifas! Compr? tus tarjetas de llamadas en tres simples pasos en Yahoo! Telefon?a: http://yahoo.tarjetastelefonicas.com From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 12 00:22:34 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Sun Feb 12 00:22:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LMMS on Musix 0.3.1 Message-ID: <20060212052234.19796.qmail@web52611.mail.yahoo.com> Does anybody have LMMS working in Musix 0.3.1? I have problems with no sound, and sometimes LMMS just hangs and doesn't respond. -=cybersean3000=- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kouhia at nic.funet.fi Sun Feb 12 04:05:47 2006 From: kouhia at nic.funet.fi (Juhana Sadeharju) Date: Sun Feb 12 04:05:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Acid type program Message-ID: >From: Victor Lazzarini > >I'd add Csound to that list... I used Csound as a replacement to Acid type arranger at 1997. I wrote C code library for placing sounds and loops to the beat bars and to the tracks. My program then wrote the timed events to Csound score. The textual arrangement was not the problem, but every change to arrangement required a compilation of my C code. I would be interested in to know if Csound can be used as an audio engine in Acid type software. Then one would need only write a GUI. Or a textual UI as in trackers. Can the orc and sco data inside Csound be incrementally build and modified via liblo? A poor alternative would be that the entire score would be sent each time. Juhana -- http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-graphics-dev for developers of open source graphics software From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Feb 12 05:33:54 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Feb 12 05:34:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?iso-8859-1?q?m=FAsica?=, music, muzik, musique.... In-Reply-To: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602121033.55192.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 10 February 2006 23:43, Carlos Pino was like: > ?http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg Flippin' heck Carlos, that IS smooth! Right, well that ups the ante. Great work! -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Feb 12 05:38:07 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Feb 12 05:38:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?iso-8859-1?q?m=FAsica?=, music, muzik, musique.... In-Reply-To: <43EE2AD1.6080704@gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0602110916n78ac5ec8s1c26cb3e28fec834@mail.gmail.com> <43EE2AD1.6080704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602121038.07377.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 11 February 2006 18:20, Carlos Pino was like: > ?Well,before I knew the computer tools for music (not many time ago) I > did my compositions thinking, or looking for a melodic motive that can > be harmonized (don't know if this is the right word) It is, in this context it is spelled 'motif', but your meaning is perfectly clear. :) > in many diferents > ways and tempos or rhythms. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Feb 12 06:44:15 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Feb 12 06:44:23 2006 Subject: libspiralcore, was Re: [linux-audio-user] fastbreeder (a genetic programming synth) In-Reply-To: <20060211151123.51a6dc06.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <44359.193.203.82.226.1139567955.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <20060211151123.51a6dc06.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <200602121144.16474.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 11 February 2006 04:11, Erik de Castro Lopo was like: > > On 2/11/06, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > > > libsndfile0 is at least three years old. Everyone I know of is using > > > libsndfile1-dev > > > > Isn't three years old standard for debian? ..... > > I'll bite. > > Debian stable has libsndfile1: > > ? ? http://pdo.debian.net/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl? > ? ? ? ? > ?keywords=libsndfile&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all > > and that Debian stable was released in July 2005. > > People who have never taken the time to learn Debian would probably > be surpirsed just how good it actually is. Yeah, and I'll chew. Three years isn't standard EVEN FOR DEBIAN, OK? Sarge took this long to get out of the door, granted. I understand this was a tongue in cheek remark, but these idle remarks tend to get built on and get taken more seriously by some than they should. So, at risk of being Utterly Boring on this subject - Debian's idea of 'stable' is to be conservatively rock solid for production servers & newbies. Most Desktop users use 'testing' or 'sid', Everyone in Debian knows this and works accordingly. 'Testing' runs a couple of months or so behind the leading edge, which for me is just enough time to read bugreports and be aware of potential breakages in advance. For example, I'm still using stable for mission critical work, until etch settles down a bit. So I'm still using Linux-2.6.12, this kernel was compiled on 23 June 2005. So that's about a year behind. DeMuDi 'testing' has 2.6.14. There are lots of sources for backports and unofficial builds if you need to keep more up to date, which means rosegarden-dssi and ardour-0.99 on the music front and of course you can build your own if you need to be tracking CVS or whatever. The purpose of a distribution is to provide a solid foundation, I'm perfectly happy with having to do a little work if I want the latest toys. I know I do a lot of pom-pom waving for Debian. There's a reason for this. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From ivalladt at punkass.com Sun Feb 12 06:50:09 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Sun Feb 12 06:50:48 2006 Subject: libspiralcore, was Re: [linux-audio-user] fastbreeder (a genetic programming synth) In-Reply-To: <20060211151123.51a6dc06.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <44359.193.203.82.226.1139567955.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <20060210122948.27c53d07@mango.fruits.de> <20060210133651.GA6454@localhost.localdomain> <43EC97BD.2060909@chapelperilous.net> <20060210144043.GA8826@localhost.localdomain> <56886.193.203.82.226.1139582716.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <20060210151059.GA12462@localhost.localdomain> <20060211075656.38bf27df.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060211151123.51a6dc06.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <20060212115009.GC19727@localhost.localdomain> Erik de Castro Lopo escribe: > Loki Davison wrote: > > > On 2/11/06, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > > > > > > libsndfile0 is at least three years old. Everyone I know of is using > > > libsndfile1-dev > > > > > > > > > > Isn't three years old standard for debian? ..... > > I'll bite. > > Debian stable has libsndfile1: > > http://pdo.debian.net/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl? > keywords=libsndfile&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all > > and that Debian stable was released in July 2005. Yes, installing libsndfile1-dev did it. Now running fastbreeder gives me another problem. When I press the right mouse button in order to switch to a different formula, sound simply stops, and I need to restart fastbreeder in order to get it back. This is, I only can hear the default sound. > People who have never taken the time to learn Debian would probably > be surpirsed just how good it actually is. Debian was the first Linux I learnt and I honestly think that it isn't more difficult to learn that any other Linux. Debian is best of both worlds, running stable you have a system imposible to be broken, running sid you have latest software and you help freezing the next stable version. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Sun Feb 12 03:01:56 2006 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sun Feb 12 07:04:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Kernel 2.6.15.3-rt tests In-Reply-To: <200602120115.26320.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> References: <200602120115.26320.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <200602120901.56293.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Just to say that I repeated the same tests with 2.6.13-1-multimedia-386 from DeMuDi and the results are the same, but the system did not got _totally_ paralyzed when i used ardour+jamin with jackd's 128 buffer: it went super slow, unusable, but it did not got paralyzed in this situation. El Domingo, 12 de Febrero de 2006 01:15, Marcos Guglielmetti escribi?: > Hi, > > ????????I am working with this kernel right now. I compiled it into > my GNU Linux box (Musix 0.30) following: > http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Vanilla_Kernel_With_Rea >ltime_Preemption > > ?And it works fine, but with a few "bugs" or problems. > > You can download it from: > > http://www.k-maleon.com/musix/deb > > Tests: > > PC Duron 1800Mhz, 120Mb RAM, HD 7200 RPM, SB Live! > > s?b feb 11 18:34:03 CET 2006 > > Kernel: Musix GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.15.3-rt-musix-2006-11-02 > > *rtirq works normally > *Normal users can use RT > > *With: > /usr/bin/jackd -R -P89 -t1000 -m -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p512 -n2 -s > -S -i1 > > ? ? * Good: Ardour with 7 tracks and a lot of LADSPA FX: it worked > well enough, using jackd in duplex and play only mode (with a 512 > buffer, 44100Hz) > > ? ? * BAD: into this session, I opened JAMIN and all the system went > very slow. Then I restarted jack into play only mode and it worked > well: I could master the tracks connected to Jamin from Ardour > outputs. > > lesser buffer size: > > ? ? * Regular: JAMIN, jackd duplex, buffer 256, it works fine, but > whe i opened ardour: 4 (28) xruns while the hard disk was > reading/writing. I think that with more ram than my little 120Mb it > can do it much better. > > ? ? * Fine: jack: 48000 Hz, 1024 or 128 buffer (46ms latency or 5ms > latency), play only mode, Ardour with 7 tracks: NO XRUNs at all. > > I opened Jamin and all goes well with 1024 buffer, but with the 128 > buffer the system just got paralyzed. > > Hope it can help or serve you. > > Musix uses the DeMuDi kernel (when installed on HD). > > I'm needing to make a RT kernel that could boot from the Live-CD out > of the box, so I am experimenting with it. I could not compile > unionfs, but I will try again in these days. > > Cheers, -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) Mirrors: (www.musix.distrux.net) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) (www.k-maleon.com/musix) ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From ivalladt at punkass.com Sun Feb 12 07:03:03 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Sun Feb 12 07:05:43 2006 Subject: libspiralcore, was Re: [linux-audio-user] fastbreeder (a genetic programming synth) In-Reply-To: <200602121144.16474.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <44359.193.203.82.226.1139567955.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <20060211151123.51a6dc06.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <200602121144.16474.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060212120303.GD19727@localhost.localdomain> tim hall escribe: > Most Desktop users use 'testing' or 'sid' And in that case they should know that they are becoming a part of the developing process, so they are bound to find and report bugs instead of crying "buah, this doesn't work!" in mailing lists and forums. If somebody doesn't want to become part of any more or less painful developing process then they should stick to stable distros, i.e. Fedora Core 3 running Planet CCRMA which moreover is such a lovely combo! Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From ivalladt at punkass.com Sun Feb 12 07:05:27 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Sun Feb 12 07:06:32 2006 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=5Blinux-audio-user?= =?iso-8859-1?B?XSBt+nNpY2Es?= music, muzik, musique.... In-Reply-To: <20060211173744.45137.qmail@web52610.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060211172315.88160.qmail@web52611.mail.yahoo.com> <20060211173744.45137.qmail@web52610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060212120526.GE19727@localhost.localdomain> Sean Edwards escribe: > You can even replace the ogg file with the url and not > even have to download it: > > ecasound -i > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg > -o after_the_pain.mp3 $ ogg123 http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg After apt-get install vorbis-tools in Debian. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From ivalladt at punkass.com Sun Feb 12 07:07:17 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Sun Feb 12 07:07:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?iso-8859-1?B?bfpz?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_=3D=3FISO-8859-1=3FQ=3Fica?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=2C?= _music, _muzik, _musique....?= In-Reply-To: <43EE2AD1.6080704@gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <20060211003324.GH5031@linux-1> <5bdc1c8b0602110624j115ab79cidbffe5b68571b3eb@mail.gmail.com> <43EE1997.3080200@gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0602110916n78ac5ec8s1c26cb3e28fec834@mail.gmail.com> <43EE2AD1.6080704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060212120717.GF19727@localhost.localdomain> Carlos Pino escribe: > This is really the first tune I feel can be named as "tune".I got > some others but are most sketches of futures releases (I hope). Me such a lover of all expresionisms love sketches as-are, please make them available to us with a CC license so we can mangle them into other sketches or maybe songs. ;) Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Sun Feb 12 03:09:07 2006 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sun Feb 12 07:12:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LMMS on Musix 0.3.1 In-Reply-To: <20060212052234.19796.qmail@web52611.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060212052234.19796.qmail@web52611.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200602120909.07825.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> El Domingo, 12 de Febrero de 2006 06:22, Sean Edwards escribi?: > Does anybody have LMMS working in Musix 0.3.1? I have > problems with no sound, and sometimes LMMS just hangs > and doesn't respond. I am: of course. When does LMMS has no sound? Are you using JACK? The hangs just happens because it is a "very baby" app. You ar using LMMS 0.1.2-1? I suggest you to install a new version from unstable: apt-get install lmms/unstable 0.1.4-1 (Debian:unstable) libogg-dev libogg0 libvorbis-dev libvorbis0a libvorbisenc2 libvorbisfile3 lmms 1295kB/2037kB 884kB ------- Maybe this bugs were fixed now. Also, you can report bugs to: http://lmms.sf.net/ Musix Users: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/musix-users Cheers, -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) Mirrors: (www.musix.distrux.net) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) (www.k-maleon.com/musix) ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From ivalladt at punkass.com Sun Feb 12 07:12:35 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Sun Feb 12 07:12:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?iso-8859-1?B?bfpz?= =?iso-8859-1?B?aWNhLG11c2ljLG11emlrLG11c2lxdWUuLi4u?= In-Reply-To: <43ED3A43.5080005@gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <1139619317.19342.41.camel@mindpipe> <43ED3A43.5080005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060212121235.GG19727@localhost.localdomain> Carlos Pino escribe: > hi Lee, my machine has a Pentium IV 2.6Mhz ,1Gb ddr ,Terratec dmx6 > fire (ice1712) soundcard ,and the guitars were recorded through a > Behringer V-Amp 2. It's amazing that such a non top class soundcard was giving such a clean sound. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From markus at herhoffer.net Sun Feb 12 08:36:23 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Sun Feb 12 07:20:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Programming a Yamaha DX 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43EF39D7.5070404@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello! I friend of me has an original Yamaha DX 7 Synth. The board sounds really great but it is extremely difficult to program. There were some commercial programs for Atari to program the synth with a GUI in the late 80ies, but they dont't run on x86. Is there any free software for Linux available? Markus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD7znX4ihw6BWdedERAopBAKC6ybhkZcFkKojrfrfeqXDo8XpUlQCfd3h5 q8rbZZzG1Bnk4wVyINRoH8w= =pZ0K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Feb 12 08:26:59 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Feb 12 08:01:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Programming a Yamaha DX 7 In-Reply-To: <43EF39D7.5070404@herhoffer.net> References: <43EF39D7.5070404@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <43EF37A3.1090605@woh.rr.com> Markus Herhoffer wrote: >I friend of me has an original Yamaha DX 7 Synth. The board sounds >really great but it is extremely difficult to program. There were some >commercial programs for Atari to program the synth with a GUI in the >late 80ies, but they dont't run on x86. Is there any free software for >Linux available? > > JSynthLib includes a DX/TX editor: http://www.jsynthlib.org/ Or you can try running some of that Atari software on Xsteem: http://steem.atari.st/ See this link for the freeware Atari MIDI stuff: http://tamw.atari-users.net/timidi.htm In my experience Xsteem does a pretty good job with MIDI apps. Your mileage may vary. Personally I prefer JSynthLib, it's a fine utility, works very well with my TX802 and my K4r. HTH. Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Feb 12 08:32:10 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Feb 12 08:06:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Programming a Yamaha DX 7 In-Reply-To: <43EF39D7.5070404@herhoffer.net> References: <43EF39D7.5070404@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <43EF38DA.8050807@woh.rr.com> Hi Markus: Check out this page too: http://tamw.atari-users.net/dx7.htm Best, dp From klaus.kosten at gmx.de Sun Feb 12 08:09:15 2006 From: klaus.kosten at gmx.de (Klaus Kosten) Date: Sun Feb 12 08:07:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Programming a Yamaha DX 7 In-Reply-To: <43EF39D7.5070404@herhoffer.net> References: <43EF39D7.5070404@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <43EF337B.10602@gmx.de> Markus Herhoffer schrieb: > Hello! > > I friend of me has an original Yamaha DX 7 Synth. The board sounds > really great but it is extremely difficult to program. There were some > commercial programs for Atari to program the synth with a GUI in the > late 80ies, but they dont't run on x86. Is there any free software for > Linux available? > (PGP-Junk deleted) You could try to run the old Windoze programs, e.g. from the Yahoo groups, under wine. Klaus -- From d_baron at 012.net.il Sun Feb 12 08:40:44 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Sun Feb 12 08:58:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More on snd-mpu401 modprobe problems on newer kernels Message-ID: <200602121540.44765.d_baron@012.net.il> Not just pnp=no. I must use modprobe -i. This would seem to indicate a problem in alsa pre/post install scripts. Maybe I should just comment out the line for mpu401? From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 09:00:08 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Feb 12 09:00:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Kernel 2.6.15.3-rt tests In-Reply-To: <200602120901.56293.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> References: <200602120115.26320.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <200602120901.56293.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0602120600o4d4e0807t7bf509071d18fd36@mail.gmail.com> On 2/12/06, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > Just to say that I repeated the same tests with 2.6.13-1-multimedia-386 > from DeMuDi and the results are the same, but the system did not got > _totally_ paralyzed when i used ardour+jamin with jackd's 128 buffer: > it went super slow, unusable, but it did not got paralyzed in this > situation. > > > El Domingo, 12 de Febrero de 2006 01:15, Marcos Guglielmetti escribi?: > > > > * BAD: into this session, I opened JAMIN and all the system went > > very slow. Then I restarted jack into play only mode and it worked > > well: I could master the tracks connected to Jamin from Ardour > > outputs. > > > > I opened Jamin and all goes well with 1024 buffer, but with the 128 > > buffer the system just got paralyzed. Jamin is very CPU intensive and this machine is probably of about average or slightly slow CPU speed these days. If you open a terminal and run top what do you see when it slows to a crawl? Look with Jack operating in both play/record and play modes to see what happens. Good luck, Mark From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Sun Feb 12 09:05:02 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Sun Feb 12 09:05:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hardware requirements for audio Message-ID: <43EF408E.50406@rumoridifondo.com> when i play hexter from rosegarden and with 32note of poliphony i get some xrun with jack. the same if i play "The Master" synth in LMMS. now i got a doubt: what are the raccomended requirements to make audio with linux? i got a celeron 1.7ghz and 512 mb ram and i'm using ext3 filesystem. with this configuration and windows xp and cubase sx2 i manage to record & play with B4 fm7 absynth battery hyper canvas, all open at the same time and i don't have problems. is it possible that with linux and rosegarden and hexter i got xrun problems? may they depend from system configuration? i use mandriva's kernel multimedia with realtime module.... bye emanuele From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Feb 12 10:01:24 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun Feb 12 09:58:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Acid type program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1139756484.4790.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> > I would be interested in to know if Csound can be used as an > audio engine in Acid type software. Then one would need only > write a GUI. Or a textual UI as in trackers. "one would need only write a GUI". hahahahahaha From ivalladt at punkass.com Sun Feb 12 11:25:15 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Sun Feb 12 11:28:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sfArk on Linux ppc Message-ID: <20060212162515.GA2847@localhost.localdomain> Any way to uncompress sfArk compressed soundfonts on Linux ppc which doesn't involve running Windows or a x86 Linux as a qemu guest? Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From ivalladt at punkass.com Sun Feb 12 11:32:02 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Sun Feb 12 11:32:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, system performance down! Message-ID: <20060212163202.GB2847@localhost.localdomain> I just compiled a vanilla kernel 2.6.15.4 in my G3 powerpc. Also I compiled, installed and loaded the realtime-lsm module and I started to play with jackd -R and some jack enabled applications. If I start jackd without realtime, everything runs nicely, of course with some xruns when I switch windows, manipulate GUIs and such. This is more or less what I expected. But then I run jackd realtime using qjackctl. I start amsynth and it takes a bit longer to load but then runs without a mess. Sound is clean, no artifacts, no xruns. Then I try horgand. It takes a lot for it to load, then it sounds nicely, I get no xruns, but my X Window system becomes unresponsive. Later I try zynaddsubfx. It takes half an hour to open, and then it kills qjackctl, leaving the jack server running. Meanwhile top shows that zynaddsubfx is taking 35% of memory, and qjackctl and jackd 25% each. Could this be an issue with the applications, with the kernel, with the realtime-lsm module, with priority of my X Window session? I must insist this only happens when jackd is run with the -R option. Is it true that realtime-lsm is deprecated? How do I enable realtime preemption on a 2.6.15? Any ideas welcome. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sun Feb 12 14:14:03 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sun Feb 12 12:24:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Kernel 2.6.15.3-rt tests In-Reply-To: <200602120115.26320.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> (Marcos Guglielmetti's message of "Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:15:25 +0100") References: <200602120115.26320.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <878xsgxudg.fsf@esben-stien.name> Marcos Guglielmetti writes: >?I am working with this kernel right now (2.6.15.3-rt) The rt patches are not supposed to be compiled against such versions as .1, .2 or .3, as far as I know, unless the patch is called f.ex 2.6.15.3-rt1. In most cases this will work, but it's not guaranteed and therefor you should not report any issues you have. This is how I understand it. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sun Feb 12 13:06:06 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun Feb 12 13:06:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sfArk on Linux ppc In-Reply-To: <20060212162515.GA2847@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060212162515.GA2847@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200602121906.06867.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 12 February 2006 17:25, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Any way to uncompress sfArk compressed soundfonts on Linux ppc which > doesn't involve running Windows or a x86 Linux as a qemu guest? > > Cordially, Ismael Hi Ismael. I don't think that you're going to have a lot of success here. The x86 Linux version only decompresses V2 sfark files, and I had to use the Windows version with Wine to decompress V1 sfark files. This is fine if your using Windows, or Linux with Wine, but not much help with these files if not. I suppose, If you have a friend running Windows or Linux with Wine, he could unpack them for you, and e-mail them, as long as they're not too big. Bit of a nuisance all these different compression formats. Nigel. From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sun Feb 12 13:06:00 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sun Feb 12 13:08:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2Cmusic=2Cmuzik=2Cmusi?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?que=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <20060212121235.GG19727@localhost.localdomain> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <1139619317.19342.41.camel@mindpipe> <43ED3A43.5080005@gmail.com> <20060212121235.GG19727@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1139767560.27743.1.camel@eviltwin> On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 13:12 +0100, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Carlos Pino escribe: > > hi Lee, my machine has a Pentium IV 2.6Mhz ,1Gb ddr ,Terratec dmx6 > > fire (ice1712) soundcard ,and the guitars were recorded through a > > Behringer V-Amp 2. > > It's amazing that such a non top class soundcard was giving such a > clean sound. > The envy24 chipset used in the Terratec dmx6fire is the same chipset used in the M-Audio Delta 1010 and the DSP 2000 C-Port so it's not really all that surprising. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Sun Feb 12 09:03:55 2006 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sun Feb 12 13:14:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Kernel 2.6.15.3-rt tests In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0602120600o4d4e0807t7bf509071d18fd36@mail.gmail.com> References: <200602120115.26320.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <200602120901.56293.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <5bdc1c8b0602120600o4d4e0807t7bf509071d18fd36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602121503.56281.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> El Domingo, 12 de Febrero de 2006 15:00, Mark Knecht escribi?: > On 2/12/06, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > Just to say that I repeated the same tests with > > 2.6.13-1-multimedia-386 from DeMuDi and the results are the same, > > but the system did not got _totally_ paralyzed when i used > > ardour+jamin with jackd's 128 buffer: it went super slow, unusable, > > but it did not got paralyzed in this situation. > > > > El Domingo, 12 de Febrero de 2006 01:15, Marcos Guglielmetti escribi?: > > > * BAD: into this session, I opened JAMIN and all the system went > > > very slow. Then I restarted jack into play only mode and it > > > worked well: I could master the tracks connected to Jamin from > > > Ardour outputs. > > > > > > I opened Jamin and all goes well with 1024 buffer, but with the > > > 128 buffer the system just got paralyzed. > > Jamin is very CPU intensive and this machine is probably of about > average or slightly slow CPU speed these days. > > If you open a terminal and run top what do you see when it slows to a > crawl? Look with Jack operating in both play/record and play modes to > see what happens. > > Good luck, Thanks Mark: here there are the tests: (i forgot to overclock the cpu to 2000Mhz, I will do it again later, but:) Reporting: processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 6 model : 8 model name : AMD Duron(tm) stepping : 1 cpu MHz : 1800.247 cache size : 64 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow bogomips : 3604.15 MemTotal: 111164 kB uname -a Linux 030users 2.6.15.3-rt-musix #1 PREEMPT Sun Feb 12 12:24:53 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux ----------- Only Jamin: cat /root/.jackdrc /usr/bin/jackd -R -P89 -t1000 -m -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p128 -n2 -P -s -S It works fine -------- Only Jamin: cat /root/.jackdrc /usr/bin/jackd -R -P89 -t1000 -m -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p256 -n2 -s -S -i1 Now, that's ok, ir works fine too ------ (Now jacks did not let me -p128) creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|128|2|48000|1|0|nomon|swmeter| soft-mode|16bit control device hw:0 configuring for 48000Hz, period = 128 frames, buffer = 2 periods ALSA: cannot set period size to 128 frames for capture ALSA: cannot configure capture channel cannot load driver module alsa --------- Ardour + Jamin + JACK -p256 duplex mode cat /root/.jackdrc /usr/bin/jackd -R -P89 -t1000 -m -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p256 -n2 -s -S -i1 Opening Ardour with a 7 tracks session with a lot of LADSPA plugins, I got 1 (2) xruns TOP: 5557 root 15 0 122m 41m 7544 S 46.0 38.0 1:19.84 ardour 5546 root 19 0 35732 1252 1088 S 3.6 1.1 0:03.49 jackd When y press play, it gives 3 (22) xruns Now I open Jamin and the system goes super slow (unusable) TOP: 5557 root 15 0 122m 44m 7696 R 55.4 40.9 2:48.33 ardour 5863 root 16 0 44492 11m 7276 R 30.0 10.6 0:17.10 jamin 5546 root 19 0 35736 1292 1104 S 3.1 1.2 0:06.71 jackd 741 root -81 -5 0 0 0 S 1.5 0.0 0:08.70 IRQ 10 4146 root 5 -10 115m 6328 2100 S 1.2 5.7 0:27.87 Xorg xruns 5 (25) -------- Ardour + Jamin + JACK -p256 play mode cat /root/.jackdrc /usr/bin/jackd -R -P89 -t1000 -m -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p256 -n2 -P -s -S Opening Ardour with a 7 tracks session with a lot of LADSPA plugins, I got again 1 (2) xruns With Ardour playing: xruns: 3 (17) PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 6221 root 16 0 122m 38m 7312 S 61.3 35.6 0:50.28 ardour 4146 root 5 -10 114m 6624 1708 S 3.6 6.0 0:35.86 Xorg 4645 root 15 0 32320 5800 4404 S 3.0 5.2 0:06.99 konsole 6186 root 18 0 35720 1336 1092 S 2.7 1.2 0:01.78 jackd 741 root -81 -5 0 0 0 S 1.3 0.0 0:12.08 IRQ 10 Now I open Jamin and the system goes super slow again (unusable), but not as slow it was before: a little less slow TOP: 6221 root 16 0 122m 38m 7336 R 47.7 35.6 1:56.07 ardour 6433 root 17 0 44516 11m 7208 R 23.6 10.4 0:03.60 jamin 4146 root 5 -10 115m 7200 2068 S 2.6 6.5 0:37.93 Xorg 741 root -81 -5 0 0 0 S 1.4 0.0 0:13.07 IRQ 10 6186 root 18 0 35724 1372 1116 S 1.4 1.2 0:03.72 jackd xruns: 4 (19) ------------- Ardour + Jamin + JACK -p512 play mode cat /root/.jackdrc /usr/bin/jackd -R -P89 -t1000 -m -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p512 -n2 -P -s -S Opening Ardour with a 7 tracks session with a lot of LADSPA plugins, I got again 1 (1) xruns TOP: 6614 root 15 0 122m 44m 9088 S 56.7 40.7 0:30.05 ardour 4146 root 5 -10 114m 5316 1412 S 1.3 4.8 0:42.23 Xorg 6560 root 15 0 28912 7452 5800 S 1.3 6.7 0:01.63 qjackctl 741 root -81 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:14.04 IRQ 10 4645 root 16 0 32320 5452 4100 R 0.3 4.9 0:08.01 konsole Now I open Jamin and the system goes a little slower, but usable TOP (without playing) 6614 root 15 0 122m 44m 9108 S 51.0 40.8 1:20.63 ardour 6734 root 15 0 44620 11m 7272 S 32.0 10.6 0:21.35 jamin 4146 root 5 -10 115m 6068 2012 S 2.4 5.5 0:44.65 Xorg 6580 root 20 0 35848 1272 1072 S 2.1 1.1 0:01.98 jackd 4645 root 15 0 32320 5856 4332 S 1.5 5.3 0:08.55 konsole 6560 root 15 0 28912 7544 5832 S 0.6 6.8 0:02.26 qjackctl 108 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:00.12 pdflush 189 root -60 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:01.64 IRQ 12 741 root -81 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:14.51 IRQ 10 6797 root 16 0 2196 1092 848 R 0.3 1.0 0:00.04 top 1 root 16 0 2036 416 388 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.12 init TOP (playing from ardour connected to jamin) 6614 root 16 0 122m 44m 9144 R 55.3 40.8 2:25.51 ardour 6734 root 16 0 44744 11m 7332 R 38.5 10.7 1:02.06 jamin 4146 root 5 -10 115m 6200 2044 S 2.2 5.6 0:48.64 Xorg 6560 root 15 0 28912 7772 6020 S 1.1 7.0 0:03.47 qjackctl 741 root -81 -5 0 0 0 S 0.8 0.0 0:15.16 IRQ 10 3 root -2 0 0 0 0 S 0.6 0.0 0:00.93 softirq-timer/0 6580 root 20 0 35848 1272 1072 S 0.6 1.1 0:03.47 jackd 110 root 15 0 0 0 0 D 0.3 0.0 0:00.37 kswapd0 257 root -47 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:02.97 IRQ 14 4129 root 30 15 3592 1976 500 R 0.3 1.8 0:02.55 preload 6897 root 16 0 2200 1092 848 R 0.3 1.0 0:00.07 top xruns 4 (4) -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) Mirrors: (www.musix.distrux.net) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) (www.k-maleon.com/musix) ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Sun Feb 12 09:26:48 2006 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sun Feb 12 13:29:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Kernel 2.6.15.3-rt tests In-Reply-To: <878xsgxudg.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <200602120115.26320.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <878xsgxudg.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <200602121526.49357.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> El Domingo, 12 de Febrero de 2006 20:14, Esben Stien escribi?: > Marcos Guglielmetti writes: > >?I am working with this kernel right now (2.6.15.3-rt) > > The rt patches are not supposed to be compiled against such versions > as .1, .2 or .3, as far as I know, unless the patch is called f.ex > 2.6.15.3-rt1. In most cases this will work, but it's not guaranteed > and therefor you should not report any issues you have. > > This is how I understand it. Are you sure? maybe! I am using http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/patch-2.6.15-rt16 -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) Mirrors: (www.musix.distrux.net) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) (www.k-maleon.com/musix) ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 12 13:59:46 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Sun Feb 12 13:59:51 2006 Subject: libspiralcore, was Re: [linux-audio-user] fastbreeder (a genetic programming synth) In-Reply-To: <200602121144.16474.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060212185946.42688.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> I use Debian Testing on my primary desktop and do a full system update about once a month. --- tim hall wrote: > On Saturday 11 February 2006 04:11, Erik de Castro > Lopo was like: > > > On 2/11/06, Erik de Castro Lopo > wrote: > > > > libsndfile0 is at least three years old. > Everyone I know of is using > > > > libsndfile1-dev > > > > > > Isn't three years old standard for debian? ..... > > > > I'll bite. > > > > Debian stable has libsndfile1: > > > > > http://pdo.debian.net/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl? > > > > > keywords=libsndfile&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all > > > > and that Debian stable was released in July 2005. > > > > People who have never taken the time to learn > Debian would probably > > be surpirsed just how good it actually is. > > Yeah, and I'll chew. Three years isn't standard EVEN > FOR DEBIAN, OK? Sarge > took this long to get out of the door, granted. I > understand this was a > tongue in cheek remark, but these idle remarks tend > to get built on and get > taken more seriously by some than they should. > > So, at risk of being Utterly Boring on this subject > - Debian's idea of > 'stable' is to be conservatively rock solid for > production servers & newbies. > Most Desktop users use 'testing' or 'sid', Everyone > in Debian knows this and > works accordingly. 'Testing' runs a couple of months > or so behind the leading > edge, which for me is just enough time to read > bugreports and be aware of > potential breakages in advance. For example, I'm > still using stable for > mission critical work, until etch settles down a > bit. So I'm still using > Linux-2.6.12, this kernel was compiled on 23 June > 2005. So that's about a > year behind. DeMuDi 'testing' has 2.6.14. There are > lots of sources for > backports and unofficial builds if you need to keep > more up to date, which > means rosegarden-dssi and ardour-0.99 on the music > front and of course you > can build your own if you need to be tracking CVS or > whatever. The purpose of > a distribution is to provide a solid foundation, I'm > perfectly happy with > having to do a little work if I want the latest > toys. > > I know I do a lot of pom-pom waving for Debian. > There's a reason for this. ;) > -- > cheers, > > tim hall > http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 12 14:06:26 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Sun Feb 12 14:06:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Programming a Yamaha DX 7 In-Reply-To: <43EF337B.10602@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20060212190626.78096.qmail@web52604.mail.yahoo.com> I have a couple of TX81Z's, the rack mount module equivalent of the DX 7, and I use JSynthLib: http://www.jsynthlib.org/ There are a few modles of DX 7 supported in there. In your search for software, use terms like editor and librarian. --- Klaus Kosten wrote: > Markus Herhoffer schrieb: > > > Hello! > > > > I friend of me has an original Yamaha DX 7 Synth. > The board sounds > > really great but it is extremely difficult to > program. There were some > > commercial programs for Atari to program the synth > with a GUI in the > > late 80ies, but they dont't run on x86. Is there > any free software for > > Linux available? > > > > (PGP-Junk deleted) > > You could try to run the old Windoze programs, e.g. > from the Yahoo > groups, under wine. > > Klaus > -- > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 12 14:11:04 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Sun Feb 12 14:11:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, system performance down! In-Reply-To: <20060212163202.GB2847@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060212191104.47168.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> Have you tried running jackd as root? This would also require you to run all your jack applications as root as well. --- Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > I just compiled a vanilla kernel 2.6.15.4 in my G3 > powerpc. Also I > compiled, installed and loaded the realtime-lsm > module and I started > to play with jackd -R and some jack enabled > applications. > > If I start jackd without realtime, everything runs > nicely, of course > with some xruns when I switch windows, manipulate > GUIs and such. This > is more or less what I expected. > > But then I run jackd realtime using qjackctl. I > start amsynth and it > takes a bit longer to load but then runs without a > mess. Sound is > clean, no artifacts, no xruns. > > Then I try horgand. It takes a lot for it to load, > then it sounds > nicely, I get no xruns, but my X Window system > becomes unresponsive. > > Later I try zynaddsubfx. It takes half an hour to > open, and then it > kills qjackctl, leaving the jack server running. > Meanwhile top shows > that zynaddsubfx is taking 35% of memory, and > qjackctl and jackd 25% > each. > > Could this be an issue with the applications, with > the kernel, with > the realtime-lsm module, with priority of my X > Window session? > > I must insist this only happens when jackd is run > with the -R option. > > Is it true that realtime-lsm is deprecated? How do I > enable realtime > preemption on a 2.6.15? > > Any ideas welcome. > > Cordially, Ismael > -- > Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his > orange > > http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Feb 12 14:15:42 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Feb 12 14:15:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, system performance down! In-Reply-To: <20060212163202.GB2847@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060212163202.GB2847@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1139771743.19342.255.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 17:32 +0100, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > Is it true that realtime-lsm is deprecated? How do I enable realtime > preemption on a 2.6.15? > Please check the list archive, this has been explained dozens of times From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Feb 12 14:17:38 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Feb 12 14:17:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Kernel 2.6.15.3-rt tests In-Reply-To: <878xsgxudg.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <200602120115.26320.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <878xsgxudg.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <1139771858.19342.258.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 20:14 +0100, Esben Stien wrote: > Marcos Guglielmetti writes: > > > I am working with this kernel right now (2.6.15.3-rt) > > The rt patches are not supposed to be compiled against such versions > as .1, .2 or .3, as far as I know, unless the patch is called f.ex > 2.6.15.3-rt1. In most cases this will work, but it's not guaranteed > and therefor you should not report any issues you have. > > This is how I understand it. > Yes but it's not like it's going to compile, run, then give you a ton of xruns - it will either work fine, or fail to build/boot. If it seems to be working this is not a problem. From fbar at footils.org Sun Feb 12 14:24:43 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Feb 12 14:24:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, system performance down! In-Reply-To: <20060212163202.GB2847@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060212163202.GB2847@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060212192443.GF28717@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Ismael Valladolid Torres hat gesagt: // Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Is it true that realtime-lsm is deprecated? How do I enable realtime > preemption on a 2.6.15? It's true. The easiest alternative IMO is to use set_rtlimits. A quick explanation is at http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=22 Basically you download and install this: http://www.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~jwoithe/set_rtlimits-1.1.0.tgz then add something like this to /etc/set_rtlimits.conf: @audio /usr/bin/jackd -1 90 assuming you have a user group "audio" and start jackd like: $ set_rtlimits -r /usr/bin/jackd --realtime -d alsa -d hw:0 Alternatively you can use a patched PAM-module, but that is a bit more work, if your distribution doesn't ship it. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From dave at pawfal.org Sun Feb 12 15:41:52 2006 From: dave at pawfal.org (dave) Date: Sun Feb 12 14:41:49 2006 Subject: libspiralcore, was Re: [linux-audio-user] fastbreeder (a genetic programming synth) In-Reply-To: <20060212115009.GC19727@localhost.localdomain> References: <44359.193.203.82.226.1139567955.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <20060210122948.27c53d07@mango.fruits.de> <20060210133651.GA6454@localhost.localdomain> <43EC97BD.2060909@chapelperilous.net> <20060210144043.GA8826@localhost.localdomain> <56886.193.203.82.226.1139582716.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <20060210151059.GA12462@localhost.localdomain> <20060211075656.38bf27df.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060211151123.51a6dc06.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060212115009.GC19727@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1139776913.8877.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 12:50 +0100, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Yes, installing libsndfile1-dev did it. Now running fastbreeder gives > me another problem. When I press the right mouse button in order to > switch to a different formula, sound simply stops, and I need to > restart fastbreeder in order to get it back. This is, I only can hear > the default sound. it's not guaranteed that generated code will create sound, you may need to create random populations (middle mouse button) until you find one to start evolving. cheers, dave From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Feb 12 14:41:43 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Feb 12 14:42:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, system performance down! In-Reply-To: <20060212191104.47168.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060212191104.47168.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1139773304.19342.268.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 11:11 -0800, Sean Edwards wrote: > Have you tried running jackd as root? This would also > require you to run all your jack applications as root > as well. How could this possibly change anything? jackd -R *already works*. It's not like it's going to "work better" as root - either you are in realtime mode or you are not. There's no intermediate state. Lee > --- Ismael Valladolid Torres > wrote: > > > I just compiled a vanilla kernel 2.6.15.4 in my G3 > > powerpc. Also I > > compiled, installed and loaded the realtime-lsm > > module and I started > > to play with jackd -R and some jack enabled > > applications. > > > > If I start jackd without realtime, everything runs > > nicely, of course > > with some xruns when I switch windows, manipulate > > GUIs and such. This > > is more or less what I expected. > > > > But then I run jackd realtime using qjackctl. I > > start amsynth and it > > takes a bit longer to load but then runs without a > > mess. Sound is > > clean, no artifacts, no xruns. > > > > Then I try horgand. It takes a lot for it to load, > > then it sounds > > nicely, I get no xruns, but my X Window system > > becomes unresponsive. > > > > Later I try zynaddsubfx. It takes half an hour to > > open, and then it > > kills qjackctl, leaving the jack server running. > > Meanwhile top shows > > that zynaddsubfx is taking 35% of memory, and > > qjackctl and jackd 25% > > each. > > > > Could this be an issue with the applications, with > > the kernel, with > > the realtime-lsm module, with priority of my X > > Window session? > > > > I must insist this only happens when jackd is run > > with the -R option. > > > > Is it true that realtime-lsm is deprecated? How do I > > enable realtime > > preemption on a 2.6.15? > > > > Any ideas welcome. > > > > Cordially, Ismael > > -- > > Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his > > orange > > > > http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Sun Feb 12 13:10:30 2006 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sun Feb 12 17:13:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Kernel 2.6.15.3-rt tests In-Reply-To: <1139771858.19342.258.camel@mindpipe> References: <200602120115.26320.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <878xsgxudg.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1139771858.19342.258.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200602121910.30886.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> El Domingo, 12 de Febrero de 2006 20:17, Lee Revell escribi?: > On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 20:14 +0100, Esben Stien wrote: > > Marcos Guglielmetti writes: > > > I am working with this kernel right now (2.6.15.3-rt) > > > > The rt patches are not supposed to be compiled against such > > versions as .1, .2 or .3, as far as I know, unless the patch is > > called f.ex 2.6.15.3-rt1. In most cases this will work, but it's > > not guaranteed and therefor you should not report any issues you > > have. > > > > This is how I understand it. > > Yes but it's not like it's going to compile, run, then give you a ton > of xruns - it will either work fine, or fail to build/boot. > > If it seems to be working this is not a problem. Ok, so I think I will not try with http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.15.tar.bz2 because I will have the same behaviorals. Am I right? -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) Mirrors: (www.musix.distrux.net) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) (www.k-maleon.com/musix) ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Sun Feb 12 17:27:26 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Sun Feb 12 17:27:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] m?sica, music, muzik, Message-ID: Ismael Valladolid Torres: > Sean Edwards escribe: > > You can even replace the ogg file with the url and not > > even have to download it: > > > > ecasound -i > > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg > > -o after_the_pain.mp3 > > $ ogg123 http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg $ jacklaunch ogg123 http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Sun Feb 12 17:32:08 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Sun Feb 12 17:32:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] m?sica,music,muzik,musique.... In-Reply-To: <20060212140524.D9DEE5E483E@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060212140524.D9DEE5E483E@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Ismael Valladolid Torres: > Carlos Pino escribe: > > hi Lee, my machine has a Pentium IV 2.6Mhz ,1Gb ddr ,Terratec dmx6 > > fire (ice1712) soundcard ,and the guitars were recorded through a > > Behringer V-Amp 2. > > It's amazing that such a non top class soundcard was giving such a > clean sound. I don't find that amazing at all. The terratec dmx6 fire is a very descent card. Are you sure you're not thinking about a different card? From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Feb 12 17:32:34 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Feb 12 17:32:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Kernel 2.6.15.3-rt tests In-Reply-To: <200602121910.30886.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> References: <200602120115.26320.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <878xsgxudg.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1139771858.19342.258.camel@mindpipe> <200602121910.30886.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <1139783554.19342.303.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 19:10 +0100, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > El Domingo, 12 de Febrero de 2006 20:17, Lee Revell escribi?: > > On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 20:14 +0100, Esben Stien wrote: > > > Marcos Guglielmetti writes: > > > > I am working with this kernel right now (2.6.15.3-rt) > > > > > > The rt patches are not supposed to be compiled against such > > > versions as .1, .2 or .3, as far as I know, unless the patch is > > > called f.ex 2.6.15.3-rt1. In most cases this will work, but it's > > > not guaranteed and therefor you should not report any issues you > > > have. > > > > > > This is how I understand it. > > > > Yes but it's not like it's going to compile, run, then give you a ton > > of xruns - it will either work fine, or fail to build/boot. > > > > If it seems to be working this is not a problem. > > > Ok, so I think I will not try with > http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.15.tar.bz2 because I > will have the same behaviorals. Am I right? > Yes exactly. You will see the same behavior. Lee From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Sun Feb 12 17:45:40 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Sun Feb 12 17:45:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Frank Barknecht: > > Is it true that realtime-lsm is deprecated? How do I enable realtime > > preemption on a 2.6.15? > > It's true. The easiest alternative IMO is to use set_rtlimits. A quick > explanation is at http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=22 > > Basically you download and install this: > http://www.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~jwoithe/set_rtlimits-1.1.0.tgz > then add something like this to /etc/set_rtlimits.conf: > > @audio /usr/bin/jackd -1 90 > > assuming you have a user group "audio" and start jackd like: > > $ set_rtlimits -r /usr/bin/jackd --realtime -d alsa -d hw:0 > > Alternatively you can use a patched PAM-module, but that is a bit more > work, if your distribution doesn't ship it. That is rediculous. Do you really have to start program that way to get realtime priority? In case, I guess (and _really_ hope) that realtime-lsm (or something similar) will continue to exist for a long time still. From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 17:55:51 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun Feb 12 17:55:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sfArk on Linux ppc In-Reply-To: <20060212162515.GA2847@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060212162515.GA2847@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43EFBCF7.8000300@gmail.com> Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: >Any way to uncompress sfArk compressed soundfonts on Linux ppc which >doesn't involve running Windows or a x86 Linux as a qemu guest? > >Cordially, Ismael > > http://melodymachine.com/ From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 18:00:40 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun Feb 12 18:00:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2C_music=2C_m?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?uzik=2C_musique=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <200602121033.55192.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <200602121033.55192.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <43EFBE18.7020509@gmail.com> tim hall wrote: >On Friday 10 February 2006 23:43, Carlos Pino was like: > > >> http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg >> >> > >Flippin' heck Carlos, that IS smooth! >Right, well that ups the ante. >Great work! > > Thank you Tim.Glad you enjoy. Saludos. --Carlos From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Feb 12 18:03:52 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Feb 12 18:04:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 14:45 -0800, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > Frank Barknecht: > > > Is it true that realtime-lsm is deprecated? How do I enable realtime > > > preemption on a 2.6.15? > > > > It's true. The easiest alternative IMO is to use set_rtlimits. A quick > > explanation is at http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=22 > > > > Basically you download and install this: > > http://www.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~jwoithe/set_rtlimits-1.1.0.tgz > > then add something like this to /etc/set_rtlimits.conf: > > > > @audio /usr/bin/jackd -1 90 > > > > assuming you have a user group "audio" and start jackd like: > > > > $ set_rtlimits -r /usr/bin/jackd --realtime -d alsa -d hw:0 > > > > Alternatively you can use a patched PAM-module, but that is a bit more > > work, if your distribution doesn't ship it. > > > That is rediculous. Do you really have to start program that way > to get realtime priority? In case, I guess (and _really_ hope) > that realtime-lsm (or something similar) will continue to exist for a > long time still. > Yes, absolutely, it is ridiculous. In the upcoming Ubuntu Dapper release this will Just Work. No patching the kernel or PAM or cryptic CLI utilities. In the meantime everyone should use the realtime LSM IMHO. And if you don't use Ubuntu, contact your distro and urge them to solve this problem in the next release. Lee From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 18:07:05 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun Feb 12 18:07:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?UTF-8?B?bcO6cyA9P0lTTy04ODU5LTE/UT9pY2Es?= =?UTF-8?B?IF9tdXNpYywgX211emlrLCBfbXVzaXF1ZS4uLi4/PQ==?= In-Reply-To: <20060212120717.GF19727@localhost.localdomain> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <20060211003324.GH5031@linux-1> <5bdc1c8b0602110624j115ab79cidbffe5b68571b3eb@mail.gmail.com> <43EE1997.3080200@gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0602110916n78ac5ec8s1c26cb3e28fec834@mail.gmail.com> <43EE2AD1.6080704@gmail.com> <20060212120717.GF19727@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43EFBF99.9070108@gmail.com> Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: >Carlos Pino escribe: > > >> This is really the first tune I feel can be named as "tune".I got >>some others but are most sketches of futures releases (I hope). >> >> > >Me such a lover of all expresionisms love sketches as-are, please make >them available to us with a CC license so we can mangle them into >other sketches or maybe songs. ;) > > Me such a musician with artistic purposes prefer to give you the finished work. :-) >Cordially, Ismael > > Saludos --Carlos. From ce at christeck.de Sun Feb 12 18:10:12 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Feb 12 18:07:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?iso-8859-1?q?m=FAsica?=, music, muzik, musique.... In-Reply-To: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602130010.12378.ce@christeck.de> > ?http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg Excellent, very well done. Thanks for sharing! Best regards ce From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 19:05:18 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun Feb 12 19:05:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2C_music=2C_m?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?uzik=2C_musique=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <200602130010.12378.ce@christeck.de> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <200602130010.12378.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <43EFCD3E.60105@gmail.com> Christoph Eckert wrote: >> http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg >> >> > >Excellent, very well done. Thanks for sharing! > > >Best regards > > >ce > > > thank you Christoph,glad you like :-) Saludos. --Carlos. From groups at xscd.com Sun Feb 12 19:49:21 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Sun Feb 12 19:49:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music Message-ID: <20060213004921.GH4235@xscd.com> A few weeks ago I posted a recording of a piece for piano I was composing: Arabesque 1, for piano (work in progress) http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/arabesque1.ogg At that time there was little but one primary melodic/harmonic motive. I have since fleshed-out and completed the piece: Arabesque 1, for piano (complete/final) OGG: http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/steve-doonan_arabesque-1.ogg MP3: http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/steve-doonan_arabesque-1.mp3 Recorded in one uninterrupted (no punch-ins/punch-outs) "take" (out of many failed attempts with one or two mistakes ;-) into Ardour at 48,000 sample rate, mastered through Jamin the output of which was recorded back into Ardour, then exported as a .wav at 41,000 sample rate with "shaped noise" dither, encoded with lame (mp3) and oggenc (ogg). Ardour and Jamin--what great software. Steve D New Mexico, US -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The three things every person needs, gay or straight, are to be a realist about themselves, an optimist about what life can bring them, and willing to take what they're handed and make it work. -Krikit ---------------------------------------------------------------- From rtp405 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 12 20:08:13 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Sun Feb 12 20:08:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060213004921.GH4235@xscd.com> Message-ID: <20060213010813.8612.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's awesome! I love it. ron --- Steve D wrote: > A few weeks ago I posted a recording of a piece for > piano I was > composing: > > Arabesque 1, for piano (work in progress) > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/arabesque1.ogg > > At that time there was little but one primary > melodic/harmonic motive. I > have since fleshed-out and completed the piece: > > Arabesque 1, for piano (complete/final) > OGG: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/steve-doonan_arabesque-1.ogg > MP3: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/steve-doonan_arabesque-1.mp3 > > Recorded in one uninterrupted (no > punch-ins/punch-outs) "take" (out of > many failed attempts with one or two mistakes ;-) > into Ardour at 48,000 > sample rate, mastered through Jamin the output of > which was recorded > back into Ardour, then exported as a .wav at 41,000 > sample rate with > "shaped noise" dither, encoded with lame (mp3) and > oggenc (ogg). > > Ardour and Jamin--what great software. > > Steve D > New Mexico, US > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The three things every person needs, gay or > straight, are to be > a realist about themselves, an optimist about what > life can > bring them, and willing to take what they're handed > and make it > work. -Krikit > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From will.dyson at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 20:18:10 2006 From: will.dyson at gmail.com (Will Dyson) Date: Sun Feb 12 20:18:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, system performance down! In-Reply-To: <20060212163202.GB2847@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060212163202.GB2847@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <8e6f94720602121718i28e6c0cej78ebe6c8acfa232d@mail.gmail.com> On 2/12/06, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > I just compiled a vanilla kernel 2.6.15.4 in my G3 powerpc. Also I > compiled, installed and loaded the realtime-lsm module and I started > to play with jackd -R and some jack enabled applications. > > If I start jackd without realtime, everything runs nicely, of course > with some xruns when I switch windows, manipulate GUIs and such. This > is more or less what I expected. > > But then I run jackd realtime using qjackctl. I start amsynth and it > takes a bit longer to load but then runs without a mess. Sound is > clean, no artifacts, no xruns. > > Then I try horgand. It takes a lot for it to load, then it sounds > nicely, I get no xruns, but my X Window system becomes unresponsive. How much memory does your machine have? Is it swapping when this slowdown occurs? By default, realtime mode will cause all jack applications to mlockall(). This means that large GUI toolkits such as QT (and all other libraries used by the app) are locked into memory, potentially forcing the kernel to swap out other important programs (like the X server). Try the "Unlock Memory" and "No Memory Lock" options (in that order) in qjackctl. If those options cause you to start seeing Xruns again, you may simply not have enough memory in your system for the set of apps you want to run. Digression and thread jack follows. Ideally, realtime audio apps would be written such that: 1. The realtime audio thread(s) are as independant of the GUI as possible. 2. Only the code and data actually needed by those threads would be mlock()ed. I think most jack apps are already written such that 1 is true, and it should not be too hard to selectivly mlock() the data buffers used in the realtime thread. But I don't know how to tell the Linux kernel to mlock() only the code pages used by a certain thread. Doing that automaticly seems like a rather hairy technical problem (it may even be equivalent to solving the halting problem, i.e. impossible). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem Even given that a programmer performs static analysis on a program to determine what functions are reachable from the realtime threads, I don't know how to find the minimum set of memory addresses that contain those function. Does anyone know if this can be done without the debugging symbols? -- Will Dyson From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sun Feb 12 20:44:00 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Sun Feb 12 20:37:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, system performance down! In-Reply-To: <8e6f94720602121718i28e6c0cej78ebe6c8acfa232d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060212163202.GB2847@localhost.localdomain> <8e6f94720602121718i28e6c0cej78ebe6c8acfa232d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060213014400.GD4739@linux-1> On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 08:18:10PM -0500, Will Dyson wrote: > > On 2/12/06, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > > Then I try horgand. It takes a lot for it to load, then it sounds > > nicely, I get no xruns, but my X Window system becomes unresponsive. > > ... > > How much memory does your machine have? Is it swapping when this > slowdown occurs? Good question. This really looks like an 'out of memory' problem. > 1. The realtime audio thread(s) are as independant of the GUI as possible. > > 2. Only the code and data actually needed by those threads would be mlock()ed. > > I think most jack apps are already written such that 1 is true, and it > should not be too hard to selectivly mlock() the data buffers used in > the realtime thread. But I don't know how to tell the Linux kernel to > mlock() only the code pages used by a certain thread. Doing that > automaticly seems like a rather hairy technical problem (it may even > be equivalent to solving the halting problem, i.e. impossible). > ... The real solution is to put the UI and RT parts in separate processes. It's a bit more work, but not so much if you want to have a clean interface between the two anyway. -- FA From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sun Feb 12 20:35:30 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Sun Feb 12 20:37:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060213013530.GC4739@linux-1> On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 06:03:52PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 14:45 -0800, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > > That is rediculous. Do you really have to start program that way > > to get realtime priority? In case, I guess (and _really_ hope) > > that realtime-lsm (or something similar) will continue to exist for a > > long time still. > > > > Yes, absolutely, it is ridiculous. Is it really ? If you start apps via an icon or menu, you don't see any difference at all. If you use a terminal to start them, just define an alias. Having a prefix such as nice, sudo, or rt_limits -r is not really worse than having options (IMHO). -- FA From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Feb 12 20:41:25 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Feb 12 20:41:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, system performance down! In-Reply-To: <20060213014400.GD4739@linux-1> References: <20060212163202.GB2847@localhost.localdomain> <8e6f94720602121718i28e6c0cej78ebe6c8acfa232d@mail.gmail.com> <20060213014400.GD4739@linux-1> Message-ID: <1139794885.2739.46.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 02:44 +0100, fons adriaensen wrote: > The real solution is to put the UI and RT parts in separate processes. > It's a bit more work, but not so much if you want to have a clean > interface between the two anyway. > What IPC mechanism would you recommend? I like the idea of using process shared mutex/CV objects backed by an mmap'ed tmpfs file. Not sure if this works with LinuxThreads though. Lee From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Sun Feb 12 20:51:17 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Sun Feb 12 20:51:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <20060213013750.AE7815F4F46@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060213013750.AE7815F4F46@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: fons adriaensen: > On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 06:03:52PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 14:45 -0800, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > > > > That is rediculous. Do you really have to start program that way > > > to get realtime priority? In case, I guess (and _really_ hope) > > > that realtime-lsm (or something similar) will continue to exist for a > > > long time still. > > > > > > > Yes, absolutely, it is ridiculous. > > Is it really ? Yes. > If you start apps via an icon or menu, you > don't see any difference at all. You're right. But it has to be set up, and many/most of us would never use an icon or a menu to start most programs. > If you use a terminal > to start them, just define an alias. No no no. Thats even worse. :-( > Having a prefix such > as nice, sudo, or rt_limits -r is not really worse than > having options (IMHO). A program should just work. If the nature of the program is that some threads need to run realtime, those threads shall also run realtime by default. What you are proposing is the complete opposite. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Feb 12 20:52:30 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Feb 12 20:52:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <20060213013530.GC4739@linux-1> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213013530.GC4739@linux-1> Message-ID: <1139795550.2739.57.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 02:35 +0100, fons adriaensen wrote: > On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 06:03:52PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 14:45 -0800, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > > > > That is rediculous. Do you really have to start program that way > > > to get realtime priority? In case, I guess (and _really_ hope) > > > that realtime-lsm (or something similar) will continue to exist for a > > > long time still. > > > > > > > Yes, absolutely, it is ridiculous. > > Is it really ? If you start apps via an icon or menu, you > don't see any difference at all. If you use a terminal > to start them, just define an alias. Having a prefix such > as nice, sudo, or rt_limits -r is not really worse than > having options (IMHO). > No, it's not that bad, but IMHO it's more of a pain than the realtime LSM, or the PAM solution. It's just too confusing for users when there are 3 different ways to do the same thing for no apparent reason. So I'm recommending they stick with realtime LSM until the new rlimits are fully supported by most distros. Lee From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sun Feb 12 21:01:35 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sun Feb 12 21:01:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060213004921.GH4235@xscd.com> References: <20060213004921.GH4235@xscd.com> Message-ID: <43EFE87F.2050207@poeticstudios.com> Steve D wrote: >A few weeks ago I posted a recording of a piece for piano I was >composing: > >Arabesque 1, for piano (work in progress) >http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/arabesque1.ogg > >At that time there was little but one primary melodic/harmonic motive. I >have since fleshed-out and completed the piece: > >Arabesque 1, for piano (complete/final) >OGG: >http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/steve-doonan_arabesque-1.ogg >MP3: >http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/steve-doonan_arabesque-1.mp3 > >Recorded in one uninterrupted (no punch-ins/punch-outs) "take" (out of >many failed attempts with one or two mistakes ;-) into Ardour at 48,000 >sample rate, mastered through Jamin the output of which was recorded >back into Ardour, then exported as a .wav at 41,000 sample rate with >"shaped noise" dither, encoded with lame (mp3) and oggenc (ogg). > >Ardour and Jamin--what great software. > >Steve D >New Mexico, US > > Thank you for this track. It reminds me of Ludovico Einaudi, an italian pianist. As I already said back then, I've liked the first version as well. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sun Feb 12 21:11:47 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Sun Feb 12 21:05:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, system performance down! In-Reply-To: <1139794885.2739.46.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060212163202.GB2847@localhost.localdomain> <8e6f94720602121718i28e6c0cej78ebe6c8acfa232d@mail.gmail.com> <20060213014400.GD4739@linux-1> <1139794885.2739.46.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060213021147.GE4739@linux-1> On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 08:41:25PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 02:44 +0100, fons adriaensen wrote: > > > The real solution is to put the UI and RT parts in separate processes. > > It's a bit more work, but not so much if you want to have a clean > > interface between the two anyway. > > > > What IPC mechanism would you recommend? I like the idea of using > process shared mutex/CV objects backed by an mmap'ed tmpfs file. Not > sure if this works with LinuxThreads though. Depends a bit on the amount of data you need to exchange between the two, and on the frequency of the interaction. For low volume, you could use a pipe, and shared memory otherwise. I'm currently working on two apps that use POSIX shared memory for this. The UI part creates it, and forks and execs the RT part, giving the shared memory filename as an argument. Any required prefix such as sudo or rt_limits -r remains hidden (it's a configuration item for the UI part of course). For synchronisation a POSIX sema in shared memory is quite fast. Alternatives are a named one or again a pipe. Didn't yet test condition variables in shared memory. If those work that would make it rather easy to make e.g. my clthreads lib's ITC functions work tranparently across process boundaries. AFAIK, putting synchronisation objects in shared memory will not work with LinuxThreads. But how long will they still be used ? Sooner or later new apps will require a 2.6 kernel, and the initial problems with NPTL are well in the past now. -- FA From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sun Feb 12 21:17:46 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Sun Feb 12 21:13:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: References: <20060213013750.AE7815F4F46@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060213021746.GF4739@linux-1> On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 05:51:17PM -0800, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > >If you use a terminal > >to start them, just define an alias. > > No no no. Thats even worse. :-( Why ? Don't you ever use 'la' ? It's an alias for 'ls -la'. To hide this sort of details is why they exist... -- FA From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Feb 12 21:23:38 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Feb 12 21:23:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, system performance down! In-Reply-To: <20060213021147.GE4739@linux-1> References: <20060212163202.GB2847@localhost.localdomain> <8e6f94720602121718i28e6c0cej78ebe6c8acfa232d@mail.gmail.com> <20060213014400.GD4739@linux-1> <1139794885.2739.46.camel@mindpipe> <20060213021147.GE4739@linux-1> Message-ID: <1139797418.2739.68.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 03:11 +0100, fons adriaensen wrote: > > For synchronisation a POSIX sema in shared memory is quite > fast. Alternatives are a named one or again a pipe. Didn't > yet test condition variables in shared memory. If those work > that would make it rather easy to make e.g. my clthreads lib's > ITC functions work tranparently across process boundaries. > Exactly, it's quite useful. I've tested it extensively with NPTL 2.3.6 and the multiprocess and multithread versions perform identically. One big question I have not answered yet is whether the file has to be on a tmpfs for operations on the synchronizaion objects to be RT safe. So far I have been putting it in /dev/shm just to be safe. > AFAIK, putting synchronisation objects in shared memory will > not work with LinuxThreads. But how long will they still be > used ? Sooner or later new apps will require a 2.6 kernel, > and the initial problems with NPTL are well in the past > now. > If this is the case I agree fully, it's too useful a feature to allow LinuxThreads support to hold us back. Lee From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Sun Feb 12 21:27:41 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Sun Feb 12 21:27:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <20060213021746.GF4739@linux-1> References: <20060213013750.AE7815F4F46@music.columbia.edu> <20060213021746.GF4739@linux-1> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, fons adriaensen wrote: > On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 05:51:17PM -0800, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > >>> If you use a terminal >>> to start them, just define an alias. >> >> No no no. Thats even worse. :-( > > Why ? Don't you ever use 'la' ? It's an alias for 'ls -la'. > To hide this sort of details is why they exist... > Okey, you're right. :-) I don't think its worse, but its still very bad. From will.dyson at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 22:41:53 2006 From: will.dyson at gmail.com (Will Dyson) Date: Sun Feb 12 22:41:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <8e6f94720602121941m6f58e278x9d0e7784c5d14f99@mail.gmail.com> On 2/12/06, Lee Revell wrote: > Yes, absolutely, it is ridiculous. > > In the upcoming Ubuntu Dapper release this will Just Work. No patching > the kernel or PAM or cryptic CLI utilities. Really? That is good news. But as far as I can see, ubuntu bug 17348 has seen no action aside from you, myself and Dana Olson each providing different versions of the bleeding trivial patch to pam that would enable it. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/17348 I realize there is still 2 months left before dapper releases, but the feature freeze is right around the corner. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule I honestly have no idea why all the distros are dragging their feet on this. -- Will Dyson From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Feb 12 22:48:06 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Feb 12 22:48:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <8e6f94720602121941m6f58e278x9d0e7784c5d14f99@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <8e6f94720602121941m6f58e278x9d0e7784c5d14f99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1139802486.2739.77.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 22:41 -0500, Will Dyson wrote: > On 2/12/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > Yes, absolutely, it is ridiculous. > > > > In the upcoming Ubuntu Dapper release this will Just Work. No patching > > the kernel or PAM or cryptic CLI utilities. > > Really? That is good news. > > But as far as I can see, ubuntu bug 17348 has seen no action aside > from you, myself and Dana Olson each providing different versions of > the bleeding trivial patch to pam that would enable it. > > https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/17348 > > I realize there is still 2 months left before dapper releases, but the > feature freeze is right around the corner. > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule > > I honestly have no idea why all the distros are dragging their feet on this. Although that bug report might not reflect it, the Ubuntu developers are working on it and have told me that this will be fixed in Dapper. It will be in the next glibc update, and PAM will probably be fixed soon after (since the glibc patch makes the PAM patch smaller and less of a hack). Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Feb 12 22:52:36 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Feb 12 22:52:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <8e6f94720602121941m6f58e278x9d0e7784c5d14f99@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <8e6f94720602121941m6f58e278x9d0e7784c5d14f99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1139802756.2739.83.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 22:41 -0500, Will Dyson wrote: > I honestly have no idea why all the distros are dragging their feet on > this. Probably because few users have bothered to ask them to fix it. The Ubuntu developers were glad to support this, but other than that old Debian bug report, no one else had asked them for this feature. Does anyone know the status of this in FC5? Lee From will.dyson at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 22:58:44 2006 From: will.dyson at gmail.com (Will Dyson) Date: Sun Feb 12 22:58:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <8e6f94720602121941m6f58e278x9d0e7784c5d14f99@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <8e6f94720602121941m6f58e278x9d0e7784c5d14f99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e6f94720602121958m25b49c7enf9b4e2a8f3c99880@mail.gmail.com> On 2/12/06, Will Dyson wrote: > On 2/12/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > Yes, absolutely, it is ridiculous. > > > > In the upcoming Ubuntu Dapper release this will Just Work. No patching > > the kernel or PAM or cryptic CLI utilities. > > Really? That is good news. > > But as far as I can see, ubuntu bug 17348 has seen no action aside > from you, myself and Dana Olson each providing different versions of > the bleeding trivial patch to pam that would enable it. Actually, I now see the note on the ubuntustudio wiki that you have convinced an ubuntu developer to take action on this. Thanks for your behind-the-scenes work! -- Will Dyson From dana at ubuntustudio.com Sun Feb 12 23:35:21 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Sun Feb 12 23:35:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <8e6f94720602121958m25b49c7enf9b4e2a8f3c99880@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <8e6f94720602121941m6f58e278x9d0e7784c5d14f99@mail.gmail.com> <8e6f94720602121958m25b49c7enf9b4e2a8f3c99880@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602122035y6a0a55d8t9a4e279e81d1d4fa@mail.gmail.com> On 2/12/06, Will Dyson wrote: > On 2/12/06, Will Dyson wrote: > > On 2/12/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > Yes, absolutely, it is ridiculous. > > > > > > In the upcoming Ubuntu Dapper release this will Just Work. No patching > > > the kernel or PAM or cryptic CLI utilities. > > > > Really? That is good news. > > > > But as far as I can see, ubuntu bug 17348 has seen no action aside > > from you, myself and Dana Olson each providing different versions of > > the bleeding trivial patch to pam that would enable it. > > Actually, I now see the note on the ubuntustudio wiki that you have > convinced an ubuntu developer to take action on this. > > Thanks for your behind-the-scenes work! > > -- > Will Dyson > Indeed, thanks Lee! I have been keeping my eye out for it, but no sign yet. Mark and his team are being very awesome about supporting musicians. Forest and I have been working on getting some more packages into Dapper before it ships. He's working on DSSI and some plugins for it like Hexter and FluidSynth, and I've had a fixed seq24 approved, as well as mx44 (which was based on Willem's initial work). Now I am packaging QMidiArp. I wanted to download LinuxSampler, but the original tarballs are 404s.. Not sure what I will work on after QMidiArp, possibly more of the missing apps from alsamodular.sf.net. I also packaged a new version of my studio launcher. Not sure who would find it useful, but I do, so I figured I may as well try and get it into Dapper too, for convenience's sake. But now all the installed apps that have .desktop files in the Audio category are listed, and it has a user-configurable blacklist and such. I spent about an hour or so improving it so it's almost not useless. :) Dana From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Sun Feb 12 23:46:08 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Sun Feb 12 23:46:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] das_watchdog 0.0.1 and jack_capture v0.2.3 Message-ID: Download from http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ Das_Watchdog ============ ABOUT ----- Das_Watchdog is a program heavily and shamefully inspired by the rt_watchdog program made by Florian Schmidt: http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=38 However, this one has some improvements: 1. It works with 2.4 kernels as well as 2.6. (well, at least I think it works with 2.6...) 2. Instead of permanently setting all realtime processes to run non-realtime, das_watchdog only sets them temporary. 3. When the watchdog kicks in, an X window should pop up that tells you whats happening. (just close it after reading the message). INSTALLING ---------- make cp das_watchdog /usr/local/sbin/ echo '/usr/local/sbin/das_watchdog & >/dev/null' >>/etc/rc.local reboot REQUIREMENTS ------------ tcl/tk. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tk_(computing)) Jack_capture ============ ABOUT ----- jack_capture is a small simple program to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers into a file. This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no one made. So here it is. CHANGES ------- 0.2.2 -> 0.2.3: *Added -z argument that choose number of leading zeros. *Various changes. From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Sun Feb 12 23:46:08 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Mon Feb 13 00:07:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Jackit-devel] [ANN] das_watchdog 0.0.1 and jack_capture v0.2.3 Message-ID: Download from http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ Das_Watchdog ============ ABOUT ----- Das_Watchdog is a program heavily and shamefully inspired by the rt_watchdog program made by Florian Schmidt: http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=38 However, this one has some improvements: 1. It works with 2.4 kernels as well as 2.6. (well, at least I think it works with 2.6...) 2. Instead of permanently setting all realtime processes to run non-realtime, das_watchdog only sets them temporary. 3. When the watchdog kicks in, an X window should pop up that tells you whats happening. (just close it after reading the message). INSTALLING ---------- make cp das_watchdog /usr/local/sbin/ echo '/usr/local/sbin/das_watchdog & >/dev/null' >>/etc/rc.local reboot REQUIREMENTS ------------ tcl/tk. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tk_(computing)) Jack_capture ============ ABOUT ----- jack_capture is a small simple program to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers into a file. This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no one made. So here it is. CHANGES ------- 0.2.2 -> 0.2.3: *Added -z argument that choose number of leading zeros. *Various changes. ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From will.dyson at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 01:47:21 2006 From: will.dyson at gmail.com (Will Dyson) Date: Mon Feb 13 01:47:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <1139802756.2739.83.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <8e6f94720602121941m6f58e278x9d0e7784c5d14f99@mail.gmail.com> <1139802756.2739.83.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <8e6f94720602122247u2cb051aeg9fb04d6e48e4a118@mail.gmail.com> On 2/12/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 22:41 -0500, Will Dyson wrote: > > I honestly have no idea why all the distros are dragging their feet on > > this. > > Probably because few users have bothered to ask them to fix it. The > Ubuntu developers were glad to support this, but other than that old > Debian bug report, no one else had asked them for this feature. Are you saying that the Ubuntu devs were aware of the Debian bug, but not the one in Malone? Or just that they don't take bug reports in their own system seriously? Heh. > Does anyone know the status of this in FC5? Or Suse 10.1? For what it's worth, I just filed a wishlist bug againt debian's libc6-dev, asking for a backport of the patch that defines RLIMIT_NICE and RLIMIT_RTPRIO in . Perhaps if that happens, the pam maintainers will feel less sketchy about backporting the pam patch. -- Will Dyson From julien at c-lab.de Mon Feb 13 03:48:18 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon Feb 13 03:48:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack + kernel problem (client_thread zombified) Message-ID: Hi! I have a small jack problem with kernels 2.6.13/2.6.15 (it works with 2.6.11.8 alright). I compiled first the kernel and then jack 0.100.9 (also tried earlier 0.100.1). When I start jack everythings ok, but then after a while, mplayer will stop and say: Jack: client_thread zombified. Can anyone imagine what this is all about? Oh yes one last note: I used the mm-patches for 2.6.13 and the exact kernel version of the other kernel was 2.6.15.2 (I only mention this, because I first tried to patch the kernel, and it told me that a few files semmed already patched. So I did it without mm). Can anyone help me, suggest a solution, something to test, to clarify this matter? Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From fbar at footils.org Mon Feb 13 04:04:42 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon Feb 13 04:04:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060213090442.GA6995@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 14:45 -0800, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > That is rediculous. Do you really have to start program that way > > to get realtime priority? In case, I guess (and _really_ hope) > > that realtime-lsm (or something similar) will continue to exist for a > > long time still. > > Yes, absolutely, it is ridiculous. As ridiculous as having to start another program before being able to get audio in and out of Ardour? ;) > In the upcoming Ubuntu Dapper release this will Just Work. No patching > the kernel or PAM or cryptic CLI utilities. As I wrote, PAM is another solution and it's the one to prefer in the long run, but it's the harder one to get right now, *if* your distribution doesn't have patched packages. (Does Slackware still ship without PAM?) The set_rtlimits approach is dead simple compared to that. It even is dead simple compared to realtime-LSM, if someone doesn't want to mess with kernel-modules, because it is completely in userspace. But of course if someone already has the LSM set up and has no problems with it, (s)he should continue to use it. Deprecated doesn't mean disfunctional. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From pinojazz at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 04:15:18 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Mon Feb 13 04:15:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2C_music=2C_m?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?uzik=2C_musique=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <20060213051906.38812.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060213051906.38812.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43F04E26.6040705@gmail.com> Sean Edwards wrote: >Have you ever thought about posting your music to the >PodSafe Music Network? > >http://music.podshow.com/ > >-=Sean Edwards=- > > > > Hi Sean,thanks for the suggestion. At this time,my plan is to make an album.I have some others pieces of music to finish, after this occur I'll try to find places to distribute my music and I'll keep in mind your advice. Saludos. --Carlos From ivalladt at punkass.com Mon Feb 13 07:08:52 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Mon Feb 13 07:10:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, system performance down! In-Reply-To: <20060213014400.GD4739@linux-1> References: <20060212163202.GB2847@localhost.localdomain> <8e6f94720602121718i28e6c0cej78ebe6c8acfa232d@mail.gmail.com> <20060213014400.GD4739@linux-1> Message-ID: <20060213120852.GC6640@localhost.localdomain> fons adriaensen escribe: > > How much memory does your machine have? Is it swapping when this > > slowdown occurs? > > Good question. This really looks like an 'out of memory' problem. Just 160MB but then why does it swap only when jackd is running realtime? Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have wondered about how to make it known to the user that it has kicked in. The only solution i found was to write into the logs. Opening an xwindow is an interesting solution. Does linux maybe even have a standardized way for this kinda stuff? > However, this one has some improvements: > > 1. It works with 2.4 kernels as well as 2.6. (well, at least I think it > works with 2.6...) > 2. Instead of permanently setting all realtime processes to run > non-realtime, das_watchdog only sets them temporary. > 3. When the watchdog kicks in, an X window should pop up that tells you > whats happening. (just close it after reading the message). > > > INSTALLING > ---------- > make > cp das_watchdog /usr/local/sbin/ > echo '/usr/local/sbin/das_watchdog & >/dev/null' >>/etc/rc.local This assumes an initscript style that's not used on all linux systems. > reboot Also i wonder: Is it safe to simply use a static int as "event counter"? Might this not fail on SMP boxes? I think i make a similar mistake by using a volatile int (not as a counter, just as a exit state indicator) instead. Any gurus care to comment? Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From ivalladt at punkass.com Mon Feb 13 07:15:06 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Mon Feb 13 07:37:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sfArk on Linux ppc In-Reply-To: <200602121906.06867.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <20060212162515.GA2847@localhost.localdomain> <200602121906.06867.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20060213121506.GE6640@localhost.localdomain> Nigel Henry escribe: > I suppose, If you have a friend running Windows or Linux with Wine, he could > unpack them for you, and e-mail them, as long as they're not too big. Qemu is my friend, I'll give him a try. ;) Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060213/81c2a5aa/attachment.bin From mista.tapas at gmx.net Mon Feb 13 07:22:21 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Mon Feb 13 07:51:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Jackit-devel] [ANN] das_watchdog 0.0.1 and jack_capture v0.2.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060213132221.6c4aa5c1@mango.fruits.de> On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:46:08 -0800 (PST) "Kjetil S. Matheussen" wrote: > Das_Watchdog > ============ > > ABOUT > ----- > Das_Watchdog is a program heavily and shamefully inspired by the > rt_watchdog program made by Florian Schmidt: > http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=38 Hehe, why shamefully? This is open source, baby. So i'm glad there's some alternative to my messy code ;) And btw: the two programs are still a bit different. rt_watchdog is a daemon. I have wondered about how to make it known to the user that it has kicked in. The only solution i found was to write into the logs. Opening an xwindow is an interesting solution. Does linux maybe even have a standardized way for this kinda stuff? > However, this one has some improvements: > > 1. It works with 2.4 kernels as well as 2.6. (well, at least I think it > works with 2.6...) > 2. Instead of permanently setting all realtime processes to run > non-realtime, das_watchdog only sets them temporary. > 3. When the watchdog kicks in, an X window should pop up that tells you > whats happening. (just close it after reading the message). > > > INSTALLING > ---------- > make > cp das_watchdog /usr/local/sbin/ > echo '/usr/local/sbin/das_watchdog & >/dev/null' >>/etc/rc.local This assumes an initscript style that's not used on all linux systems. > reboot Also i wonder: Is it safe to simply use a static int as "event counter"? Might this not fail on SMP boxes? I think i make a similar mistake by using a volatile int (not as a counter, just as a exit state indicator) instead. Any gurus care to comment? Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=103432&bid=230486&dat=121642 _______________________________________________ Jackit-devel mailing list Jackit-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jackit-devel This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Mon Feb 13 10:30:49 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Mon Feb 13 10:30:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Newbie alert. Realtime knowledge stuff In-Reply-To: <20060213090442.GA6995@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213090442.GA6995@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1139844649.25747.51.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> I want to enable realtime privileges on my SUSE 9.3 2.6.11 kernel. I have no idea how to do this, and numerous google searches have turned up not many results. It would be nice if someone could tell me how to do this, but even better if someone could either send me the resources where I can find out all this stuff, and even better if someone could send me both things. (Why? I want to be able to get realtime audio privileges as user.) Also, is it better for me to upgrade to a 2.6.15 kernel? All the info I've read (and understood) seems to make me think yes. Even a google link would be nice. Bless you guys Jonty From cesare at poeticstudios.com Mon Feb 13 11:09:50 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Mon Feb 13 11:09:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Newbie alert. Realtime knowledge stuff In-Reply-To: <1139844649.25747.51.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213090442.GA6995@fliwatut.scifi> <1139844649.25747.51.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <43F0AF4E.3010100@poeticstudios.com> Jonty Needham wrote: >I want to enable realtime privileges on my SUSE 9.3 2.6.11 kernel. I >have no idea how to do this, and numerous google searches have turned up >not many results. It would be nice if someone could tell me how to do >this, but even better if someone could either send me the resources >where I can find out all this stuff, and even better if someone could >send me both things. (Why? I want to be able to get realtime audio >privileges as user.) > >Also, is it better for me to upgrade to a 2.6.15 kernel? All the info >I've read (and understood) seems to make me think yes. > >Even a google link would be nice. > >Bless you guys >Jonty > > > > > Download this patch: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=106645 and follow instructions inside the README. You may need to recompile the kernel if you don't have this settings : CONFIG_MODULES=y CONFIG_SECURITY=y CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=m CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX=y Otherwise, just do 'make && make install'. Then add your own user to the 'audio' group in /etc/group. Then make the REALTIME module loaded at startup with: MODPROBE gid='the gid of the audio group in your distro' c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From pinojazz at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 11:48:10 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Mon Feb 13 11:47:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Newbie alert. Realtime knowledge stuff In-Reply-To: <1139844649.25747.51.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213090442.GA6995@fliwatut.scifi> <1139844649.25747.51.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <43F0B84A.7040605@gmail.com> Jonty Needham wrote: >I want to enable realtime privileges on my SUSE 9.3 2.6.11 kernel. I >have no idea how to do this, and numerous google searches have turned up >not many results. It would be nice if someone could tell me how to do >this, but even better if someone could either send me the resources >where I can find out all this stuff, and even better if someone could >send me both things. (Why? I want to be able to get realtime audio >privileges as user.) > >Also, is it better for me to upgrade to a 2.6.15 kernel? All the info >I've read (and understood) seems to make me think yes. > >Even a google link would be nice. > >Bless you guys >Jonty > > > > Hi probably you want go here : http://www.jacklab.net/ Saludos. --Carlos. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Feb 13 13:01:31 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Feb 13 13:01:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, system performance down! In-Reply-To: <20060213120852.GC6640@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060212163202.GB2847@localhost.localdomain> <8e6f94720602121718i28e6c0cej78ebe6c8acfa232d@mail.gmail.com> <20060213014400.GD4739@linux-1> <20060213120852.GC6640@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1139853692.3202.13.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 13:08 +0100, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > fons adriaensen escribe: > > > How much memory does your machine have? Is it swapping when this > > > slowdown occurs? > > > > Good question. This really looks like an 'out of memory' problem. > > Just 160MB but then why does it swap only when jackd is running > realtime? Because jackd only locks all its memory in realtime mode. Try adding this line to /etc/security/limits.conf: * stack hard 512 then reboot. This will save you 7.5MB of unswappable memory per thread. Lee From groups at xscd.com Mon Feb 13 13:36:51 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Mon Feb 13 13:37:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?iso-8859-1?B?bfpz?= =?iso-8859-1?B?aWNhLG11c2ljLG11emlrLG11c2lxdWUuLi4u?= In-Reply-To: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060213183651.GA4245@xscd.com> On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:43:42AM +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg --- --- --- ?Qu? maravillosa es esta obra! Me encanta su m?sica Carlos. Saludos. Really wonderful piece. ;-) -sd -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it. -Henry David Thoreau ---------------------------------------------------------------- From groups at xscd.com Mon Feb 13 13:47:31 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Mon Feb 13 13:48:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060213010813.8612.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060213004921.GH4235@xscd.com> <20060213010813.8612.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060213184731.GB4245@xscd.com> On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 05:08:13PM -0800, R Parker wrote: > That's awesome! I love it. > ron Thank you very much Ron. I'm happy with the piece, but I'll probably try to record a better performance of it. "I'm not a perfectionist, I'm an idealist. I'm not a perfectionist, I'm an idealist..." ;-) -sd > --- Steve D wrote: > Arabesque 1, for piano (complete/final) > OGG: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/steve-doonan_arabesque-1.ogg > MP3: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/steve-doonan_arabesque-1.mp3 -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Actual political quote-- "We do not have censorship. What we have is a limitation on what newspapers can report." ---------------------------------------------------------------- From pinojazz at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 13:55:46 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Mon Feb 13 13:55:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2Cmusic=2Cmuzik=2C?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?musique=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <20060213183651.GA4245@xscd.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> <20060213183651.GA4245@xscd.com> Message-ID: <43F0D632.1080804@gmail.com> Steve D wrote: >On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:43:42AM +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > > >>http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg >> >> >--- --- --- > >?Qu? maravillosa es esta obra! Me encanta su m?sica Carlos. Saludos. > >Really wonderful piece. ;-) > >-sd > > Muchas gracias :-) ,I'm glad you like. Enjoy. Saludos --Carlos. From pinojazz at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 14:00:08 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Mon Feb 13 13:59:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060213184731.GB4245@xscd.com> References: <20060213004921.GH4235@xscd.com> <20060213010813.8612.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060213184731.GB4245@xscd.com> Message-ID: <43F0D738.1020107@gmail.com> Steve D wrote: >On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 05:08:13PM -0800, R Parker wrote: > > >>That's awesome! I love it. >>ron >> >> > > > Me too. :-) >Thank you very much Ron. I'm happy with the piece, but I'll probably try >to record a better performance of it. "I'm not a perfectionist, I'm an >idealist. I'm not a perfectionist, I'm an idealist..." ;-) > >-sd > > > > >>--- Steve D wrote: >>Arabesque 1, for piano (complete/final) >>OGG: >>http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/steve-doonan_arabesque-1.ogg >>MP3: >>http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/steve-doonan_arabesque-1.mp3 >> >> > > > Saludos. --Carlos From rncbc at rncbc.org Mon Feb 13 14:11:51 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Mon Feb 13 14:13:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=FAsica=2Cmusic=2Cmuzik=2C?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?musique=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> References: <43ED252E.6000906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43F0D9F7.2020705@rncbc.org> Carlos Pino wrote: > > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg > Blushing in the most profound envy. My damn. This is just and exactly the type/style of tune I've been loving to play for ages :) I really have a crush for this mellow-jazz-guitar-whatever tunes, and I can only dream of playing a like you, Carlos. Thank YOU. I'm terribly glad that you, at any time used at least once, any of my code-paths (qjackctl, qsynth, ...) I can now rest in such proudness peace ;) Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From tito at rumford.de Mon Feb 13 14:15:14 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Mon Feb 13 14:14:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060213004921.GH4235@xscd.com> References: <20060213004921.GH4235@xscd.com> Message-ID: <200602132015.14305.tito@rumford.de> Steve D : > Recorded in one uninterrupted (no punch-ins/punch-outs) > "take" (out of many failed attempts with one or two > mistakes ;-) into Ardour at 48,000 sample rate, mastered It's beautiful, Steve. Must have been exciting near the end of the take. -- Wolfgang From rtp405 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 13 14:32:42 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Mon Feb 13 14:32:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060213184731.GB4245@xscd.com> Message-ID: <20060213193242.81839.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Steve D wrote: > On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 05:08:13PM -0800, R Parker > wrote: > > That's awesome! I love it. > > ron > > > Thank you very much Ron. I'm happy with the piece, > but I'll probably try > to record a better performance of it. "I'm not a > perfectionist, I'm an > idealist. I'm not a perfectionist, I'm an > idealist..." ;-) Punchins aren't illegal and anyone can engineer for you in a non-destructive DAW like Ardour. If you don't tell anyone about the punchin then you can move on to composing and producing another song which makes everybody happy. :) ron > -sd > > > > --- Steve D wrote: > > Arabesque 1, for piano (complete/final) > > OGG: > > > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/steve-doonan_arabesque-1.ogg > > MP3: > > > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/steve-doonan_arabesque-1.mp3 > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Actual political quote-- "We do not have censorship. > What we have > is a limitation on what newspapers can report." > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Mon Feb 13 14:47:35 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Mon Feb 13 14:47:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060213193242.81839.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060213193242.81839.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43F0E257.608@poeticstudios.com> R Parker wrote: >--- Steve D wrote: > > > >>On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 05:08:13PM -0800, R Parker >>wrote: >> >> >>>That's awesome! I love it. >>>ron >>> >>> >>Thank you very much Ron. I'm happy with the piece, >>but I'll probably try >>to record a better performance of it. "I'm not a >>perfectionist, I'm an >>idealist. I'm not a perfectionist, I'm an >>idealist..." ;-) >> >> > >Punchins aren't illegal and anyone can engineer for >you in a non-destructive DAW like Ardour. If you don't >tell anyone about the punchin then you can move on to >composing and producing another song which makes >everybody happy. :) > >ron > > > And they've been around way before DAWs. Even Miles Davis used to cut & past his and his fellow musicians studio performances at the end of his career. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com >>-sd >> >> >> >> >>>--- Steve D wrote: >>>Arabesque 1, for piano (complete/final) >>>OGG: >>> >>> >>> >http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/steve-doonan_arabesque-1.ogg > > >>>MP3: >>> >>> >>> >http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/steve-doonan_arabesque-1.mp3 > > >>-- >> >> >> >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>Actual political quote-- "We do not have censorship. >>What we have >>is a limitation on what newspapers can report." >> >> >> >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From groups at xscd.com Mon Feb 13 15:04:19 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Mon Feb 13 15:05:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060213193242.81839.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060213184731.GB4245@xscd.com> <20060213193242.81839.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060213200419.GG4245@xscd.com> On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 11:32:42AM -0800, R Parker wrote: > Punchins aren't illegal and anyone can engineer for > you in a non-destructive DAW like Ardour. If you don't > tell anyone about the punchin then you can move on to > composing and producing another song which makes > everybody happy. :) > > ron --- --- I guess my (irrational) fear is that a punchin/punchout will somehow be obvious to the listener--that either there will be an abrupt momentary change in ambience, an abrupt cutting off of pre-punchin sound as the punchin occurs, or I'll be in a slightly different mood and the volume or performance won't match, etc. I have been able (I think) to hear punchins in old analog tape recordings, of Van Cliburn playing the Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninov piano concertos, of an obscure (but good) eastern European orchestra playing Stravinsky's Firebird (there were *lots* of punchins, some of them very obvious and awkward, in that recording), and so my listening experience has made me wary of punchins. But, like I mentioned, I'm sure it is an irrational fear. ;-) During this recording (for Arabesque 1), I made a strong note to myself after recording take after take (dozens of them) to learn about and begin to try punchin techniques. I'm especially interested to learn whether Ardour automatically creates (or can be configured to do so) brief overlapping fadeouts/fadeins at punch points. I'm sure that this information is in the (as yet not fully read) Ardour online manual. ;-) In fact, I think I'll check that out right now-- -sd -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- History from a 10 year old: "Beethoven wrote music even though he was deaf. He was so deaf that he wrote loud music and became the father of rock and roll. He took long walks in the forest even when everyone was calling for him. Beethoven expired in 1827 and later died for this." ---------------------------------------------------------------- From kjetil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Mon Feb 13 15:05:55 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen) Date: Mon Feb 13 15:06:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Jackit-devel] [ANN] das_watchdog 0.0.1 and jack_capture v0.2.3 In-Reply-To: <20060213132221.6c4aa5c1@mango.fruits.de> References: <20060213132221.6c4aa5c1@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:46:08 -0800 (PST) > "Kjetil S. Matheussen" wrote: > >> Das_Watchdog >> ============ >> >> ABOUT >> ----- >> Das_Watchdog is a program heavily and shamefully inspired by the >> rt_watchdog program made by Florian Schmidt: >> http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=38 > > Hehe, why shamefully? This is open source, baby. So i'm glad there's > some alternative to my messy code ;) And btw: the two programs are still > a bit different. rt_watchdog is a daemon. I have wondered about how to > make it known to the user that it has kicked in. The only solution i > found was to write into the logs. Opening an xwindow is an interesting > solution. Does linux maybe even have a standardized way for this kinda > stuff? > Don't know. It should. Actually, I did not try the program very hard before releasing, so starting the program outside X won't start the program. X just refuse connection... I eventually found a work-around though, but it involves setting up password-less ssh connection for root (secure, but its a bit work to set up), and let an X-program run "xhost local:root" after X has started. Not very nice, but it works. >> However, this one has some improvements: >> >> 1. It works with 2.4 kernels as well as 2.6. (well, at least I think it >> works with 2.6...) >> 2. Instead of permanently setting all realtime processes to run >> non-realtime, das_watchdog only sets them temporary. >> 3. When the watchdog kicks in, an X window should pop up that tells you >> whats happening. (just close it after reading the message). >> >> >> INSTALLING >> ---------- >> make >> cp das_watchdog /usr/local/sbin/ >> echo '/usr/local/sbin/das_watchdog & >/dev/null' >>/etc/rc.local > > This assumes an initscript style that's not used on all linux systems. > Well, this was just an example. /etc/rc.sysinit can also be used. >> reboot > > Also i wonder: Is it safe to simply use a static int as "event counter"? Yes. > Might this not fail on SMP boxes? > Nope, its safe. One thread increases the variable, and another check that it has been increased. If that fails, something is wrong with the machine. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Feb 13 15:13:14 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Feb 13 15:13:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060213200419.GG4245@xscd.com> References: <20060213184731.GB4245@xscd.com> <20060213193242.81839.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060213200419.GG4245@xscd.com> Message-ID: <1139861595.3202.57.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 13:04 -0700, Steve D wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 11:32:42AM -0800, R Parker wrote: > > Punchins aren't illegal and anyone can engineer for > > you in a non-destructive DAW like Ardour. If you don't > > tell anyone about the punchin then you can move on to > > composing and producing another song which makes > > everybody happy. :) > > > > ron > --- --- > > I guess my (irrational) fear is that a punchin/punchout will somehow be > obvious to the listener--that either there will be an abrupt momentary > change in ambience, an abrupt cutting off of pre-punchin sound as the > punchin occurs, or I'll be in a slightly different mood and the volume > or performance won't match, etc. This isn't necessarily a problem - Guided by Voices had a brilliant career but their albums are rife with sloppy drunken 4-track edits ;-) Lee From rtp405 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 13 15:15:54 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Mon Feb 13 15:15:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060213200419.GG4245@xscd.com> Message-ID: <20060213201554.36535.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Steve D wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 11:32:42AM -0800, R Parker > wrote: > > Punchins aren't illegal and anyone can engineer > for > > you in a non-destructive DAW like Ardour. If you > don't > > tell anyone about the punchin then you can move on > to > > composing and producing another song which makes > > everybody happy. :) > > > > ron > --- --- > > I guess my (irrational) fear is that a > punchin/punchout will somehow be > obvious to the listener--that either there will be > an abrupt momentary > change in ambience, an abrupt cutting off of > pre-punchin sound as the > punchin occurs, or I'll be in a slightly different > mood and the volume > or performance won't match, etc. There's not irrational fear in this. We definitely hear "bad" punches. It's something you get good at; play along with yourself, perform the puch-in and punch-out then stop playing. Afterwards trim the region in and outs so the punch can't be heard. And start working on the new song. :) I have been able (I > think) to hear > punchins in old analog tape recordings, of Van > Cliburn playing the > Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninov piano concertos, of an > obscure (but good) > eastern European orchestra playing Stravinsky's > Firebird (there were > *lots* of punchins, some of them very obvious and > awkward, in that > recording), and so my listening experience has made > me wary of punchins. > But, like I mentioned, I'm sure it is an irrational > fear. ;-) > > During this recording (for Arabesque 1), I made a > strong note to myself > after recording take after take (dozens of them) to > learn about and > begin to try punchin techniques. I'm especially > interested to learn > whether Ardour automatically creates (or can be > configured to do so) > brief overlapping fadeouts/fadeins at punch points. > I'm sure that this > information is in the (as yet not fully read) Ardour > online manual. ;-) > In fact, I think I'll check that out right now-- Autopunch works. I manually punch everything so how it works remains a mystery to me but playing along, punching before and after shouldn't be a challange. ron > -sd > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > History from a 10 year old: "Beethoven wrote music > even though > he was deaf. He was so deaf that he wrote loud music > and became > the father of rock and roll. He took long walks in > the forest > even when everyone was calling for him. Beethoven > expired in > 1827 and later died for this." > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Mon Feb 13 15:19:39 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Mon Feb 13 15:19:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060213200419.GG4245@xscd.com> References: <20060213184731.GB4245@xscd.com> <20060213193242.81839.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060213200419.GG4245@xscd.com> Message-ID: <43F0E9DB.4090309@poeticstudios.com> Steve D wrote: >On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 11:32:42AM -0800, R Parker wrote: > > >>Punchins aren't illegal and anyone can engineer for >>you in a non-destructive DAW like Ardour. If you don't >>tell anyone about the punchin then you can move on to >>composing and producing another song which makes >>everybody happy. :) >> >>ron >> >> >--- --- > >I guess my (irrational) fear is that a punchin/punchout will somehow be >obvious to the listener--that either there will be an abrupt momentary >change in ambience, an abrupt cutting off of pre-punchin sound as the >punchin occurs, or I'll be in a slightly different mood and the volume >or performance won't match, etc. I have been able (I think) to hear >punchins in old analog tape recordings, of Van Cliburn playing the >Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninov piano concertos, of an obscure (but good) >eastern European orchestra playing Stravinsky's Firebird (there were >*lots* of punchins, some of them very obvious and awkward, in that >recording), and so my listening experience has made me wary of punchins. >But, like I mentioned, I'm sure it is an irrational fear. ;-) > >During this recording (for Arabesque 1), I made a strong note to myself >after recording take after take (dozens of them) to learn about and >begin to try punchin techniques. I'm especially interested to learn >whether Ardour automatically creates (or can be configured to do so) >brief overlapping fadeouts/fadeins at punch points. I'm sure that this >information is in the (as yet not fully read) Ardour online manual. ;-) >In fact, I think I'll check that out right now-- > >-sd > > There's another, way better, method. Just route your keyboard output to a midi sequencer (muse or rosegarden) and then to the sampler. In this way you can do punch-ins in midi, delete notes seamlessly merge two or more performances and more. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From kjetil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Mon Feb 13 15:05:55 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen) Date: Mon Feb 13 15:36:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Jackit-devel] [ANN] das_watchdog 0.0.1 and jack_capture v0.2.3 In-Reply-To: <20060213132221.6c4aa5c1@mango.fruits.de> References: <20060213132221.6c4aa5c1@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:46:08 -0800 (PST) > "Kjetil S. Matheussen" wrote: > >> Das_Watchdog >> ============ >> >> ABOUT >> ----- >> Das_Watchdog is a program heavily and shamefully inspired by the >> rt_watchdog program made by Florian Schmidt: >> http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=38 > > Hehe, why shamefully? This is open source, baby. So i'm glad there's > some alternative to my messy code ;) And btw: the two programs are still > a bit different. rt_watchdog is a daemon. I have wondered about how to > make it known to the user that it has kicked in. The only solution i > found was to write into the logs. Opening an xwindow is an interesting > solution. Does linux maybe even have a standardized way for this kinda > stuff? > Don't know. It should. Actually, I did not try the program very hard before releasing, so starting the program outside X won't start the program. X just refuse connection... I eventually found a work-around though, but it involves setting up password-less ssh connection for root (secure, but its a bit work to set up), and let an X-program run "xhost local:root" after X has started. Not very nice, but it works. >> However, this one has some improvements: >> >> 1. It works with 2.4 kernels as well as 2.6. (well, at least I think it >> works with 2.6...) >> 2. Instead of permanently setting all realtime processes to run >> non-realtime, das_watchdog only sets them temporary. >> 3. When the watchdog kicks in, an X window should pop up that tells you >> whats happening. (just close it after reading the message). >> >> >> INSTALLING >> ---------- >> make >> cp das_watchdog /usr/local/sbin/ >> echo '/usr/local/sbin/das_watchdog & >/dev/null' >>/etc/rc.local > > This assumes an initscript style that's not used on all linux systems. > Well, this was just an example. /etc/rc.sysinit can also be used. >> reboot > > Also i wonder: Is it safe to simply use a static int as "event counter"? Yes. > Might this not fail on SMP boxes? > Nope, its safe. One thread increases the variable, and another check that it has been increased. If that fails, something is wrong with the machine. ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! 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From groups at xscd.com Mon Feb 13 16:18:32 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Mon Feb 13 16:19:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Punchin/Punchout (was: More music) In-Reply-To: <43F0E9DB.4090309@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060213184731.GB4245@xscd.com> <20060213193242.81839.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060213200419.GG4245@xscd.com> <43F0E9DB.4090309@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <20060213211832.GF5351@xscd.com> Steve D mentioned an "irrational" fear of the punchin/punchout recording technique. Ron Parker and Cesare Marilungo commented-- Ron Parker wrote: > We definitely hear "bad" punches. It's something you get good at; play > along with yourself, perform the puch-in and punch-out then stop > playing. Afterwards trim the region in and outs so the punch can't be > heard. Cesare Marilungo wrote: > There's another, way better, method. Just route your keyboard output > to a midi sequencer (muse or rosegarden) and then to the sampler. In > this way you can do punch-ins in midi, delete notes seamlessly merge > two or more performances and more. Thank you very much, Ron and Cesare. I'll try both approaches and hopefully I'll learn how to exploit both the digital-audio and MIDI punchin/punchout recording techniques. Regarding the digital audio (rather than MIDI) approach, I'll try to space the punchin and punchout points a little farther apart than I normally would, to give me a greater choice *after* re-recording the section as to exactly where I want the actual punch to occur. (I hadn't thought of that, obvious though it may now seem. ;-) Thank you, -sd -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Actual political quote-- "I resent your insinuendoes." ---------------------------------------------------------------- From ivalladt at punkass.com Mon Feb 13 16:28:44 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Mon Feb 13 16:29:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, system performance down! In-Reply-To: <1139853692.3202.13.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060212163202.GB2847@localhost.localdomain> <8e6f94720602121718i28e6c0cej78ebe6c8acfa232d@mail.gmail.com> <20060213014400.GD4739@linux-1> <20060213120852.GC6640@localhost.localdomain> <1139853692.3202.13.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060213212844.GA3689@localhost.localdomain> Lee Revell escribe: > On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 13:08 +0100, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > fons adriaensen escribe: > > > > How much memory does your machine have? Is it swapping when this > > > > slowdown occurs? > > > > > > Good question. This really looks like an 'out of memory' problem. > > > > Just 160MB but then why does it swap only when jackd is running > > realtime? > > Because jackd only locks all its memory in realtime mode. Clearly this is my problem. If I tell jackd not to lock memory at all, then applications open succesfully even if in realtime mode but... xruns are back! I think I'll try to get more memory. This G3 uses PC100 SDRAM, more difficult to find right now even in eBay and at prices like DDR2 new. > Try adding this line to /etc/security/limits.conf: > > * stack hard 512 > > then reboot. This will save you 7.5MB of unswappable memory per thread. I'll give this a try and tell you all. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From ivalladt at punkass.com Mon Feb 13 16:31:51 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Mon Feb 13 16:33:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060213200419.GG4245@xscd.com> References: <20060213184731.GB4245@xscd.com> <20060213193242.81839.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060213200419.GG4245@xscd.com> Message-ID: <20060213213151.GC3689@localhost.localdomain> Steve D escribe: > I guess my (irrational) fear is that a punchin/punchout will somehow be > obvious to the listener--that either there will be an abrupt momentary > change in ambience, an abrupt cutting off of pre-punchin sound as the > punchin occurs, or I'll be in a slightly different mood and the volume > or performance won't match, etc. Don't overestimate the listener. :o) Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Feb 13 16:33:25 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Feb 13 16:33:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, system performance down! In-Reply-To: <20060213212844.GA3689@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060212163202.GB2847@localhost.localdomain> <8e6f94720602121718i28e6c0cej78ebe6c8acfa232d@mail.gmail.com> <20060213014400.GD4739@linux-1> <20060213120852.GC6640@localhost.localdomain> <1139853692.3202.13.camel@mindpipe> <20060213212844.GA3689@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1139866405.3202.83.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 22:28 +0100, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Clearly this is my problem. If I tell jackd not to lock memory at all, > then applications open succesfully even if in realtime mode > but... xruns are back! > This definitely indicates that there is memory pressure, so getting more would be the way to go. I'm interested as to whether the stack size change is enough though. Lee From ivalladt at punkass.com Mon Feb 13 16:30:17 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Mon Feb 13 16:39:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Newbie alert. Realtime knowledge stuff In-Reply-To: <1139844649.25747.51.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213090442.GA6995@fliwatut.scifi> <1139844649.25747.51.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20060213213017.GB3689@localhost.localdomain> Jonty Needham escribe: > Also, is it better for me to upgrade to a 2.6.15 kernel? All the info > I've read (and understood) seems to make me think yes. Upgrading to a newer kernel usually solves problems. Running 2.6.15 would allow you trying Ingo Molnar's realtime patches. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From brad at sonaural.com Mon Feb 13 16:58:44 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Mon Feb 13 16:59:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Newbie alert. Realtime knowledge stuff In-Reply-To: <20060213213017.GB3689@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213090442.GA6995@fliwatut.scifi> <1139844649.25747.51.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060213213017.GB3689@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43F10114.5050806@sonaural.com> Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Jonty Needham escribe: > >> Also, is it better for me to upgrade to a 2.6.15 kernel? All the info >> I've read (and understood) seems to make me think yes. >> > > Upgrading to a newer kernel usually solves problems. Running 2.6.15 > would allow you trying Ingo Molnar's realtime patches. > Where do most FC3 users obtain their kernels? Does anyone use pre-built kernels? from where? Or, does everyone here roll-their-own? (sheesss.. does that phrase show my age?) brad From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Feb 13 17:00:09 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon Feb 13 17:00:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, system performance down! In-Reply-To: <20060213212844.GA3689@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060212163202.GB2847@localhost.localdomain> <1139853692.3202.13.camel@mindpipe> <20060213212844.GA3689@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200602132300.09165.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Monday 13 February 2006 22:28, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Lee Revell escribe: > > On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 13:08 +0100, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > > fons adriaensen escribe: > > > > > How much memory does your machine have? Is it swapping when this > > > > > slowdown occurs? > > > > > > > > Good question. This really looks like an 'out of memory' problem. > > > > > > Just 160MB but then why does it swap only when jackd is running > > > realtime? > > > > Because jackd only locks all its memory in realtime mode. > > Clearly this is my problem. If I tell jackd not to lock memory at all, > then applications open succesfully even if in realtime mode > but... xruns are back! > > I think I'll try to get more memory. This G3 uses PC100 SDRAM, more > difficult to find right now even in eBay and at prices like DDR2 new. Hi Ismael. I've got an old Gateway 500, with a Tabor MOBO. This uses PC100, but I had an odd stick of PC133 128MB lying around, and this has been detected just fine. It now has 2x64MB sticks of PC100, and the 128MB of PC133, and is showing as 256MB. Nigel. > > > Try adding this line to /etc/security/limits.conf: > > > > * stack hard 512 > > > > then reboot. This will save you 7.5MB of unswappable memory per thread. > > I'll give this a try and tell you all. > > Cordially, Ismael From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Mon Feb 13 17:17:25 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Mon Feb 13 17:11:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060213213151.GC3689@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060213184731.GB4245@xscd.com> <20060213193242.81839.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060213200419.GG4245@xscd.com> <20060213213151.GC3689@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060213221725.GC5285@linux-1> On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 10:31:51PM +0100, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > Steve D escribe: > > > I guess my (irrational) fear is that a punchin/punchout will somehow be > > obvious to the listener--that either there will be an abrupt momentary > > change in ambience, an abrupt cutting off of pre-punchin sound as the > > punchin occurs, or I'll be in a slightly different mood and the volume > > or performance won't match, etc. > > Don't overestimate the listener. :o) And don't underestimate the musician. I've done thousands of punchin/outs in the days of real physical tape (no region shifts then !), and seen e.g. saxophone players redo just a few notes of a great solo without anyone being able to spot the edit. But I agree this sort of destructive editing was quite scary... -- FA From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Feb 13 17:13:30 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon Feb 13 17:14:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Newbie alert. Realtime knowledge stuff In-Reply-To: <43F10114.5050806@sonaural.com> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <20060213213017.GB3689@localhost.localdomain> <43F10114.5050806@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <200602132313.30822.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Monday 13 February 2006 22:58, Brad Fuller wrote: > Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > Jonty Needham escribe: > >> Also, is it better for me to upgrade to a 2.6.15 kernel? All the info > >> I've read (and understood) seems to make me think yes. > > > > Upgrading to a newer kernel usually solves problems. Running 2.6.15 > > would allow you trying Ingo Molnar's realtime patches. > > Where do most FC3 users obtain their kernels? Does anyone use pre-built > kernels? from where? > Or, does everyone here roll-their-own? (sheesss.. does that phrase show > my age?) > > brad Hi Brad. Having just rolled one, the tobacco version that is, I normally get my kernels from planetccrma. I must admit that I'm not too up to date with kernels, but is worth looking at what Fernando at planetccrma has available for FC3. Nigel. From philicorda at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 13 17:17:55 2006 From: philicorda at ntlworld.com (philicorda) Date: Mon Feb 13 17:19:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 29, Issue 64 In-Reply-To: <20060213201947.70797611C12@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060213201947.70797611C12@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1139869075.28555.26.camel@localhost> > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:04:19 -0700 > From: Steve D > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] More music > On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 11:32:42AM -0800, R Parker wrote: > > Punchins aren't illegal and anyone can engineer for > > you in a non-destructive DAW like Ardour. If you don't > > tell anyone about the punchin then you can move on to > > composing and producing another song which makes > > everybody happy. :) > > > > ron > --- --- > > I guess my (irrational) fear is that a punchin/punchout will somehow be > obvious to the listener--that either there will be an abrupt momentary > change in ambience, an abrupt cutting off of pre-punchin sound as the > punchin occurs, or I'll be in a slightly different mood and the volume > or performance won't match, etc. I have been able (I think) to hear > punchins in old analog tape recordings, of Van Cliburn playing the > Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninov piano concertos, of an obscure (but good) > eastern European orchestra playing Stravinsky's Firebird (there were > *lots* of punchins, some of them very obvious and awkward, in that > recording), and so my listening experience has made me wary of punchins. > But, like I mentioned, I'm sure it is an irrational fear. ;-) > > During this recording (for Arabesque 1), I made a strong note to myself > after recording take after take (dozens of them) to learn about and > begin to try punchin techniques. I'm especially interested to learn > whether Ardour automatically creates (or can be configured to do so) > brief overlapping fadeouts/fadeins at punch points. I'm sure that this > information is in the (as yet not fully read) Ardour online manual. ;-) > In fact, I think I'll check that out right now-- I don't ever think of punch ins. If I want to replace something I'll start recording 30 seconds before, and play along until ten seconds or so after. It's really important to give yourself a long run in and play along, and not stop straight after the bit you want to replace. The mood is much more consistant than if you are worrying about hitting a switch at a particular time to drop in, and stop right after. I'll also record to a new track, so I can easily see the waveforms of both recordings, and try a few different places to do the edit. Sometimes it's better to crossfade between the takes over the sustain of a held chord, rather than the obvious places of a silent gap or just before a new note. With vocals I like to keep the intake of breath before they sing a note. If I get rid of it, and it's been audible previously in the track, the edit sounds unnatural in a subliminal way. Anyway, If I could play as well as you I would bother less with editing. :) I only learnt what the point of playlists are in Ardour recently, and I think they are going to be handy for this. At least for the pop stuff I do which is quite heavily edited. From njcross at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 13 17:43:27 2006 From: njcross at sbcglobal.net (njcross@sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon Feb 13 17:22:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA 1.0.11rc2 or rc3 distro? Message-ID: <200602131443.27486.njcross@sbcglobal.net> Does anyone know if there's a distro that comes already packaged w/ jack and ALSA 1.0.11rc2 or rc3 ? Cheers, Nev. From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 17:31:24 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Feb 13 17:31:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Newbie alert. Realtime knowledge stuff In-Reply-To: <43F10114.5050806@sonaural.com> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213090442.GA6995@fliwatut.scifi> <1139844649.25747.51.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060213213017.GB3689@localhost.localdomain> <43F10114.5050806@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0602131431p377888c1t6c5a6b3be669bed1@mail.gmail.com> On 2/13/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > Jonty Needham escribe: > > > >> Also, is it better for me to upgrade to a 2.6.15 kernel? All the info > >> I've read (and understood) seems to make me think yes. > >> > > > > Upgrading to a newer kernel usually solves problems. Running 2.6.15 > > would allow you trying Ingo Molnar's realtime patches. > > > Where do most FC3 users obtain their kernels? Does anyone use pre-built > kernels? from where? > Or, does everyone here roll-their-own? (sheesss.. does that phrase show > my age?) > > brad For Fedora, either PlanetCCRMA or I do my own. Cheers, Mark From aaron at nquit.com Mon Feb 13 17:35:07 2006 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron Trumm) Date: Mon Feb 13 17:35:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Punchin/Punchout (was: More music) In-Reply-To: <20060213211832.GF5351@xscd.com> References: <20060213184731.GB4245@xscd.com> <20060213193242.81839.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060213200419.GG4245@xscd.com> <43F0E9DB.4090309@poeticstudios.com> <20060213211832.GF5351@xscd.com> Message-ID: <1139870107.18037.3.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> > Regarding the digital audio (rather than MIDI) approach, I'll try to > space the punchin and punchout points a little farther apart than I > normally would, to give me a greater choice *after* re-recording the > section as to exactly where I want the actual punch to occur. (I hadn't > thought of that, obvious though it may now seem. ;-) i'm missing something probably, but why would you punch in/out on a daw when you can just create a new track, play along during the section you'd like to replace, and then cut/paste edit to replace the other part? From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 17:35:17 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Feb 13 17:35:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Punchin/Punchout (was: More music) In-Reply-To: <20060213211832.GF5351@xscd.com> References: <20060213184731.GB4245@xscd.com> <20060213193242.81839.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060213200419.GG4245@xscd.com> <43F0E9DB.4090309@poeticstudios.com> <20060213211832.GF5351@xscd.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0602131435n2308675dkdf2e8df5b20ad2a8@mail.gmail.com> On 2/13/06, Steve D wrote: > Steve D mentioned an "irrational" fear of the punchin/punchout recording > technique. Ron Parker and Cesare Marilungo commented-- > > Ron Parker wrote: > > We definitely hear "bad" punches. It's something you get good at; play > > along with yourself, perform the puch-in and punch-out then stop > > playing. Afterwards trim the region in and outs so the punch can't be > > heard. > > Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > There's another, way better, method. Just route your keyboard output > > to a midi sequencer (muse or rosegarden) and then to the sampler. In > > this way you can do punch-ins in midi, delete notes seamlessly merge > > two or more performances and more. > > Thank you very much, Ron and Cesare. I'll try both approaches and > hopefully I'll learn how to exploit both the digital-audio and MIDI > punchin/punchout recording techniques. > > Regarding the digital audio (rather than MIDI) approach, I'll try to > space the punchin and punchout points a little farther apart than I > normally would, to give me a greater choice *after* re-recording the > section as to exactly where I want the actual punch to occur. (I hadn't > thought of that, obvious though it may now seem. ;-) > > Thank you, > > -sd Steve, While not appropriate for all types of music a few times I've dealt with bad punch-in problem by throwing a drum beat or some random sound in where I needed it. I do stuff where random bits of percussion or sound effects will not be totally out of place. This wouldn't be to likely to work in the middle of a solo piano piece though. I've also edited the digital audio sample by sample to sort of cover up problems right at the boundary when it wasn't appropriate to do a proper fade out / fade in. Good luck, Mark From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Mon Feb 13 17:50:34 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Mon Feb 13 17:44:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Punchin/Punchout (was: More music) In-Reply-To: <1139870107.18037.3.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> References: <20060213184731.GB4245@xscd.com> <20060213193242.81839.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060213200419.GG4245@xscd.com> <43F0E9DB.4090309@poeticstudios.com> <20060213211832.GF5351@xscd.com> <1139870107.18037.3.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20060213225034.GE5285@linux-1> On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 02:35:07PM -0800, Aaron Trumm wrote: > i'm missing something probably, but why would you punch in/out on a daw > when you can just create a new track, play along during the section > you'd like to replace, and then cut/paste edit to replace the other > part? The difference is that when you do a punch in/out, the DAW will mute the part that is being replaced, while you can still hear the parts before and after. And when punch in/out is not-destruc- tive, so you can always move the new take to a separate track and/or edit the X-fades as you want them. Best of both worlds. -- FA From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Feb 13 17:45:57 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Feb 13 17:46:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA 1.0.11rc2 or rc3 distro? In-Reply-To: <200602131443.27486.njcross@sbcglobal.net> References: <200602131443.27486.njcross@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1139870758.11659.1.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 14:43 -0800, njcross@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Does anyone know if there's a distro that comes already packaged w/ jack > and ALSA 1.0.11rc2 or rc3 ? No, and it would not be a good idea anyway - why would you ship a release candidate rather than wait for the 1.0.11 release? There are still a bunch of regressions from 1.0.10 to be dealt with. Lee From rtp405 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 13 17:50:42 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Mon Feb 13 17:50:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Punchin/Punchout (was: More music) In-Reply-To: <1139870107.18037.3.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20060213225043.28352.qmail@web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Aaron Trumm wrote: > > Regarding the digital audio (rather than MIDI) > approach, I'll try to > > space the punchin and punchout points a little > farther apart than I > > normally would, to give me a greater choice > *after* re-recording the > > section as to exactly where I want the actual > punch to occur. (I hadn't > > thought of that, obvious though it may now seem. > ;-) > > i'm missing something probably, but why would you > punch in/out on a daw > when you can just create a new track, play along > during the section > you'd like to replace, and then cut/paste edit to > replace the other > part? Look at what you just did and consider that the band is paying $35.00 an hour. There's no comparison. When you lay down your instrument part I, engineer, probably know every mistake you just made and will be positioned at the first mistake and ready to punch in before you can wipe the sweat off your forehead. It's very, very easy with a DAW. ron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From fbar at footils.org Mon Feb 13 17:57:12 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon Feb 13 17:57:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Newbie alert. Realtime knowledge stuff In-Reply-To: <20060213213017.GB3689@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213090442.GA6995@fliwatut.scifi> <1139844649.25747.51.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060213213017.GB3689@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060213225712.GG29066@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Ismael Valladolid Torres hat gesagt: // Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Jonty Needham escribe: > > Also, is it better for me to upgrade to a 2.6.15 kernel? All the info > > I've read (and understood) seems to make me think yes. > > Upgrading to a newer kernel usually solves problems. Running 2.6.15 > would allow you trying Ingo Molnar's realtime patches. Careful with 2.6.15, though: ALSA's USB-audio driver has a bug. It's easy to fix with a little patch and doesn't affect USB-midi devices, but still worth to note. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From ix at replic.net Mon Feb 13 18:11:26 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Mon Feb 13 18:11:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA 1.0.11rc2 or rc3 distro? In-Reply-To: <1139870758.11659.1.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060213231126.GA13047@replic.net> On Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 05:45:57PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 14:43 -0800, njcross@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > Does anyone know if there's a distro that comes already packaged w/ jack > > and ALSA 1.0.11rc2 or rc3 ? > > No, Yes ( http://gentoo.org ), ls -1 /usr/portage/media-sound/alsa-driver/*.ebuild /usr/portage/media-sound/alsa-driver/alsa-driver-1.0.10-r2.ebuild /usr/portage/media-sound/alsa-driver/alsa-driver-1.0.11_rc3.ebuild > and it would not be a good idea anyway - why would you ship a > release candidate rather than wait for the 1.0.11 release? bug fixes, newer hardware supported, and updates to make it compile with the latest kernel i agree, binary distributions based on the concept of shipping out CDs every 6 months would want an actual release, but not mere users who just want things to work right now :) > > There are still a bunch of regressions from 1.0.10 to be dealt with. > > Lee From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Mon Feb 13 18:22:29 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Mon Feb 13 18:24:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Punchin/Punchout (was: More music) In-Reply-To: <1139870107.18037.3.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> References: <20060213184731.GB4245@xscd.com> <20060213193242.81839.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060213200419.GG4245@xscd.com> <43F0E9DB.4090309@poeticstudios.com> <20060213211832.GF5351@xscd.com> <1139870107.18037.3.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1139872949.6835.1.camel@eviltwin> On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 14:35 -0800, Aaron Trumm wrote: > > Regarding the digital audio (rather than MIDI) approach, I'll try to > > space the punchin and punchout points a little farther apart than I > > normally would, to give me a greater choice *after* re-recording the > > section as to exactly where I want the actual punch to occur. (I hadn't > > thought of that, obvious though it may now seem. ;-) > > i'm missing something probably, but why would you punch in/out on a daw > when you can just create a new track, play along during the section > you'd like to replace, and then cut/paste edit to replace the other > part? I've done both but the punch-in/out is supposed to do an automatic crossfade (I think) to make the transition smoother. I may be totally off base though. Maybe Jesse or someone can give us the straight data on this. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Feb 13 18:40:15 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Feb 13 18:40:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Newbie alert. Realtime knowledge stuff In-Reply-To: <20060213225712.GG29066@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213090442.GA6995@fliwatut.scifi> <1139844649.25747.51.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060213213017.GB3689@localhost.localdomain> <20060213225712.GG29066@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1139874016.11659.6.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 23:57 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Ismael Valladolid Torres hat gesagt: // Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > > Jonty Needham escribe: > > > Also, is it better for me to upgrade to a 2.6.15 kernel? All the info > > > I've read (and understood) seems to make me think yes. > > > > Upgrading to a newer kernel usually solves problems. Running 2.6.15 > > would allow you trying Ingo Molnar's realtime patches. > > Careful with 2.6.15, though: ALSA's USB-audio driver has a bug. It's > easy to fix with a little patch and doesn't affect USB-midi devices, > but still worth to note. Fixed in 2.6.15.x stable release From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Feb 13 18:42:36 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Feb 13 18:42:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA 1.0.11rc2 or rc3 distro? In-Reply-To: <20060213231126.GA13047@replic.net> References: <20060213231126.GA13047@replic.net> Message-ID: <1139874157.11659.9.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 23:11 +0000, cdr wrote: > On Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 05:45:57PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 14:43 -0800, njcross@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > Does anyone know if there's a distro that comes already packaged w/ jack > > > and ALSA 1.0.11rc2 or rc3 ? > > > > No, > > Yes ( http://gentoo.org ), > ls -1 /usr/portage/media-sound/alsa-driver/*.ebuild > /usr/portage/media-sound/alsa-driver/alsa-driver-1.0.10-r2.ebuild > /usr/portage/media-sound/alsa-driver/alsa-driver-1.0.11_rc3.ebuild > Well Gentoo does not exactly package anything. I took "comes already packaged" to mean a traditional distro where some of the quality control has been done by the packagers - with Gentoo for all you know you're the first person to try that exact combination of programs. > > > and it would not be a good idea anyway - why would you ship a > > release candidate rather than wait for the 1.0.11 release? > > bug fixes, newer hardware supported, and updates to make it compile with the latest kernel > > i agree, binary distributions based on the concept of shipping out CDs every 6 months would want an actual release, but not mere users who just want things to work right now :) > > > > > There are still a bunch of regressions from 1.0.10 to be dealt with. > > > > Lee > From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 18:45:55 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Feb 13 18:45:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Newbie alert. Realtime knowledge stuff In-Reply-To: <20060213225712.GG29066@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213090442.GA6995@fliwatut.scifi> <1139844649.25747.51.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060213213017.GB3689@localhost.localdomain> <20060213225712.GG29066@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: On 2/14/06, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Ismael Valladolid Torres hat gesagt: // Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > > Jonty Needham escribe: > > > Also, is it better for me to upgrade to a 2.6.15 kernel? All the info > > > I've read (and understood) seems to make me think yes. > > > > Upgrading to a newer kernel usually solves problems. Running 2.6.15 > > would allow you trying Ingo Molnar's realtime patches. > > Careful with 2.6.15, though: ALSA's USB-audio driver has a bug. It's > easy to fix with a little patch and doesn't affect USB-midi devices, > but still worth to note. > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > How does this bug manifest itself? I've tried running 2.6.15 with ingo's patches and it run incredibly slowly, with the irq for my usb card seeming to consume 100% cpu. This sounds like this issue? Loki From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 20:08:37 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Mon Feb 13 20:10:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAD site, linuxdj.com needs a new home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c63103$307402d0$3402a8c0@64BitBadass> Greetings all, Please pardon me for reopening an issue that may have been already addressed, especially considering that for all intents and purposes I may have appeared to have been very inactive on these lists lately. FWIW, I have been lurking around, but amidst moving and starting a new job, time has been truly a precious commodity. But I digress... It appears to me that there were at least a few members of the LAD/LAU list who have expressed interest in having LAD site somehow integrated in the Linuxaudio.org. I believe that this would be a very encouraging step towards consolidating online LA resources into one site which would IMHO ultimately make LA users' lives a lot easier as well as make the overall LA scene look more professional to the outsiders/potential adopters. I see this kind of an idea as a first step towards a much more demanding goal--integration of other online resources, i.e. Dave's LA software page. I could see this integration happening via a single Wiki page that would contain detailed info/screenshots/documentation/mailing-list and other pertinent info for every LA software available out there. Naturally, linking these lists is also a possibility, yet the very thought of having one place with unified appearance that would provide all the necessary info, including documentation, application-specific mailing lists etc. seems IMHO truly inspiring. Such a project obviously bears a huge overhead. I can also see devs objecting to the redundancy of information that may be already available on their software's dedicated website. The solution to both problems would be asking devs and/or their project maintainers/helpers to assist with the generation of their software's Wiki page which should adhere to certain predetermined standards and then also providing a link to their original project's page. Yes, there would be some redundancy, but a vast number of projects could greatly benefit from such a consolidation, including one of the most important, yet often neglected aspects--proper documentation. For this reason, I would like to use this opportunity to possibly elicit a discussion on this matter and hopefully get the ball rolling :-). Best wishes, Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of laulist@mondoseo.com > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 7:01 AM > To: A list for linux audio users > Subject: RE: [linux-audio-user] LAD site, linuxdj.com needs a new home > > > Sounds sensible to me! > > Mick > > On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, Pete Bessman wrote: > > > On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 23:31 -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > >> Just a thought, but I was thinking that we could merge the initiatives > >> between the linuxaudio.org and the current linux-audio-dev site. > Obviously, > >> provided that such a move is something that the members of the LAD > would not > >> object to :-). > > > > votes++; > > > > > > -- From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Mon Feb 13 20:11:11 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Mon Feb 13 20:11:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] das_watchdog 0.1.0 Message-ID: Download from http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ INSTALLING ---------- make cp das_watchdog /usr/local/sbin/ echo '/usr/local/sbin/das_watchdog >/dev/null &' >>/etc/rc.sysinit reboot USAGE ----- Whenever a program locks up the machine, the watchdog temporarily sets all realtime process to non-realtime for 8 seconds. You will get an xmessage window up on the screen whenever that happens. To test it, run the attached program "test_rt" (as root on 2.4), which immediatley freezes your machine. However, a window should pop up after about 5-6 seconds telling you that the watchdog set the process to non-realtime. CHANGES ------- 0.0.1->0.1.0 * Properly set the DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY environment variables in various ways to make sure the message is really shown. (It really works now!) * Use xmessage instead of wish. (much nicer) ACKNOWLEDGEMENT --------------- The program is mentally based on Florian Schmidts program rt_watcdog. Florian Schmidt also wrote the included test_rt program. From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Mon Feb 13 20:11:11 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Mon Feb 13 20:36:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Jackit-devel] [ANN] das_watchdog 0.1.0 Message-ID: Download from http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ INSTALLING ---------- make cp das_watchdog /usr/local/sbin/ echo '/usr/local/sbin/das_watchdog >/dev/null &' >>/etc/rc.sysinit reboot USAGE ----- Whenever a program locks up the machine, the watchdog temporarily sets all realtime process to non-realtime for 8 seconds. You will get an xmessage window up on the screen whenever that happens. To test it, run the attached program "test_rt" (as root on 2.4), which immediatley freezes your machine. However, a window should pop up after about 5-6 seconds telling you that the watchdog set the process to non-realtime. CHANGES ------- 0.0.1->0.1.0 * Properly set the DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY environment variables in various ways to make sure the message is really shown. (It really works now!) * Use xmessage instead of wish. (much nicer) ACKNOWLEDGEMENT --------------- The program is mentally based on Florian Schmidts program rt_watcdog. Florian Schmidt also wrote the included test_rt program. ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. 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From ross at lug.udel.edu Mon Feb 13 21:04:33 2006 From: ross at lug.udel.edu (Ross Vandegrift) Date: Mon Feb 13 21:04:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <1139795550.2739.57.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213013530.GC4739@linux-1> <1139795550.2739.57.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060214020433.GA4136@lug.udel.edu> On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 08:52:30PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > No, it's not that bad, but IMHO it's more of a pain than the realtime > LSM, or the PAM solution. Does a process inherit its parent's RT rlimits? I would expect them to work that way. If so, it should be enough to run your display or window manager under set_rlimits. Then, any app you started in that X session would automatically inherit the ability to request RT scheduling and mlock pages. Also removes the issue of overly fine-grained control. Anytime a user with permission logged in, any app they ran will automatically work. Of course, if rlimits are process specific and not inherited, then its moot. I thought about testing this last night, but went to sleep instead, heh. -- Ross Vandegrift ross@lug.udel.edu "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell." --St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37 From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Tue Feb 14 00:30:14 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Tue Feb 14 00:30:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] missing MIDI port Message-ID: <2006213213014.109397@winxp1> I have an onboard sound card with a game port. JACK identifies the card as a "C-Media PCI" card. I want to use the game port for my MIDI keyboard, but I'm not sure if JACK is seeing it. I have 2 Delta 1010 cards installed, and JACK shows their MIDI ports, but the only other MIDI port that shows in JACK is called "Midi Through", which doesn't appear to be from the onboard C-Media card, and I get no MIDI signal in Qsynth when I connect it. The card is enabled in the BIOS. Does anyone know how do I get this working? Ruben From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Feb 14 00:43:01 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Feb 14 00:43:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] missing MIDI port In-Reply-To: <2006213213014.109397@winxp1> References: <2006213213014.109397@winxp1> Message-ID: <1139895782.11659.48.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 21:30 -0800, Ruben Lopez wrote: > I have an onboard sound card with a game port. JACK identifies the card as a "C-Media PCI" card. I want to use the game port for my MIDI keyboard, but I'm not sure if JACK is seeing it. I have 2 Delta 1010 cards installed, and JACK shows their MIDI ports, but the only other MIDI port that shows in JACK is called "Midi Through", which doesn't appear to be from the onboard C-Media card, and I get no MIDI signal in Qsynth when I connect it. The card is enabled in the BIOS. Does anyone know how do I get this working? modprobe snd-mpu401 From chris.cannam at ferventsoftware.com Tue Feb 14 03:43:18 2006 From: chris.cannam at ferventsoftware.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Tue Feb 14 03:37:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANNOUNCE: Rosegarden-4 1.2.3 released Message-ID: <200602140843.18470.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> The Rosegarden team are delighted to announce the release of version 1.2.3 of Rosegarden 4, an audio and MIDI sequencer and musical notation editor for Linux. Rosegarden is among the largest and most insanely ambitious Linux music software projects, and is the only Linux application to offer full composition and recording capabilities to musicians who prefer to use classical notation. ? ?http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ The long-awaited 1.2.3 release of Rosegarden-4 offers a variety of new features, bug fixes and enhancements. ?These include: ?* The main segment canvas has been rewritten and is now faster, more ? ?responsive, more accurate, and marginally prettier than before. ? ?(This work proved much more complex than hoped, and accounts for ? ?much of the time spent since the 1.0 release a year ago.) ?* A new percussion matrix editor has been added. ?MIDI devices can ? ?have user-configurable percussion key maps, stored in the same ? ?device files as bank and program definitions. ?Users are invited to ? ?contribute their own. ?* Multi-track audio recording and simultaneous recording of audio and ? ?MIDI are now supported. ?* A "project packager" has been introduced and integrated, ? ?facilitating the exchange of complete Rosegarden projects including ? ?associated audio data and any other required files. ?* The Lilypond export function has been updated for Lilypond 2.6 and ? ?features a new Preview mode. ?* You can now control Rosegarden's mixer and other twiddly bits using ? ?an external MIDI controller device such as the Behringer BCF2000. ?* Rosegarden is now capable of synchronising to MIDI Time Code in ? ?master and slave modes (thanks to Vince Negri). ?MMC master and ? ?slave are also now supported. ? ? ?* Rosegarden's ALSA MIDI ports can now be connected and controlled ? ?using an external ALSA connection manager such as qjackctl (thanks ? ?to Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas). ?* The default sequencer timer selection should be better behaved than ? ?in 1.0 (eliminating the dreaded "Rosegarden only plays the first ? ?note" problem). ?* Effects plugins can now be applied to groups of audio instruments ? ?at the buss stage. ? ?* Many new icons and improved versions of old icons have been added ? ?(thanks to Vladimir Savic). ?* The build system now uses scons instead of autotools. This release also sees hundreds of bug fixes, including fixes to some long-standing issues with DSSI plugin support, JACK transport synchronisation, and punch-in recording. For more information about Rosegarden and what it can do for you, please see ? ?http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ Rosegarden is Free Software under the GNU General Public License. From fbar at footils.org Tue Feb 14 05:03:21 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Feb 14 05:03:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Newbie alert. Realtime knowledge stuff In-Reply-To: References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213090442.GA6995@fliwatut.scifi> <1139844649.25747.51.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060213213017.GB3689@localhost.localdomain> <20060213225712.GG29066@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060214100321.GO29066@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Loki Davison hat gesagt: // Loki Davison wrote: > How does this bug manifest itself? I've tried running 2.6.15 with > ingo's patches and it run incredibly slowly, with the irq for my usb > card seeming to consume 100% cpu. This sounds like this issue? No, that must be something else. The bug in 2.6.15 was just producing silence on (some?) USB cards after a while. Great to hear, that the latest version has this fixed. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From fbar at footils.org Tue Feb 14 05:16:10 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Feb 14 05:15:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <20060214020433.GA4136@lug.udel.edu> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213013530.GC4739@linux-1> <1139795550.2739.57.camel@mindpipe> <20060214020433.GA4136@lug.udel.edu> Message-ID: <20060214101610.GP29066@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Ross Vandegrift hat gesagt: // Ross Vandegrift wrote: > On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 08:52:30PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > No, it's not that bad, but IMHO it's more of a pain than the realtime > > LSM, or the PAM solution. > > Does a process inherit its parent's RT rlimits? I would expect them > to work that way. If so, it should be enough to run your display or > window manager under set_rlimits. Then, any app you started in that X > session would automatically inherit the ability to request RT > scheduling and mlock pages. > > Also removes the issue of overly fine-grained control. Anytime a user > with permission logged in, any app they ran will automatically work. > > Of course, if rlimits are process specific and not inherited, then its > moot. I thought about testing this last night, but went to sleep instead, > heh. set_rtlimits unfortunatly doesn't inherit, at least not in the way, you would prefer jackd to work. For example, to run jackd and ardour with higher priority, you need to start both jackd and ardour with "set_rtlimits -r" and the full path. I agree, that this is inconvenient and that set_rtlimits is to be considered just a temporary quickfix solution. However for example I had problems with realtime-lsm when suspending my laptop, so I had to configure unloading of the module and possibly reloading again after waking up. This is not necessary with set_rtlimits. When I find the time, I might play with PAM as well, however the latest patch I found didn't work with the latest libpammodules in Debian for me, and I was just too lazy to give it a deeper look, when set_rtlimits worked out of the box. I normally only run Pd anyways, and I only need Pd's realtime operation when performing, so this issue doesn't have a high priority (sic!) for me currently. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Tue Feb 14 16:42:00 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Tue Feb 14 16:44:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <20060214020433.GA4136@lug.udel.edu> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213013530.GC4739@linux-1> <1139795550.2739.57.camel@mindpipe> <20060214020433.GA4136@lug.udel.edu> Message-ID: <1139953320.15823.4.camel@eviltwin> On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 21:04 -0500, Ross Vandegrift wrote: > On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 08:52:30PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > No, it's not that bad, but IMHO it's more of a pain than the realtime > > LSM, or the PAM solution. > > Does a process inherit its parent's RT rlimits? I would expect them > to work that way. If so, it should be enough to run your display or > window manager under set_rlimits. Then, any app you started in that X > session would automatically inherit the ability to request RT > scheduling and mlock pages. I may be missing something here but, why would you run your window manager as the same user that you use to run RT applications? I normally log in as Joe_User and then start my applications as a privileged user (in my case root because I'm lazy ;-) In most window managers/desktops it is pretty easy to start an app as a different user with a desktop icon. The only PITA is that you have to enter a password to start the apps but you only do that once so it's not a big problem. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From gavin-stevens at gavmusic.freeserve.co.uk Tue Feb 14 19:43:49 2006 From: gavin-stevens at gavmusic.freeserve.co.uk (Gavin Stevens) Date: Tue Feb 14 19:38:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060213013751.1F1675F4F49@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060213013751.1F1675F4F49@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060215004349.1166d343@gavmusic.gavmusic> Hi Steve, Arabesque is an excellent piece. I would love to play it. Best wishes, Gavin. > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:49:21 -0700 > From: Steve D > Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music > To: Linux-Audio-User > Message-ID: <20060213004921.GH4235@xscd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > A few weeks ago I posted a recording of a piece for piano I was > composing: > > Arabesque 1, for piano (work in progress) > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/arabesque1.ogg > > At that time there was little but one primary melodic/harmonic motive. > I have since fleshed-out and completed the piece: > > Arabesque 1, for piano (complete/final) > OGG: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/steve-doonan_arabesque-1.ogg > MP3: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/steve-doonan_arabesque-1.mp3 > > Recorded in one uninterrupted (no punch-ins/punch-outs) "take" (out of > many failed attempts with one or two mistakes ;-) into Ardour at > 48,000 sample rate, mastered through Jamin the output of which was > recorded back into Ardour, then exported as a .wav at 41,000 sample > rate with "shaped noise" dither, encoded with lame (mp3) and oggenc > (ogg). > > Ardour and Jamin--what great software. > > Steve D > New Mexico, US > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > linux-audio-user mailing list > linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user From pdman at aproximation.org Tue Feb 14 20:02:23 2006 From: pdman at aproximation.org (thewade) Date: Tue Feb 14 20:01:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CCRMA and yum Message-ID: <20060214170223.idf55f46osw4cwk8@moon.aproximation.org> Hello list! I was hoping to install ardour on one of my FC4 machines. I haven't been using this machine for realtime audio so I am running the FC4 vanilla kernel so that the livna.org's ati-graphics and the ndiswrapper kernel modules will work. I want to investigate using the CCRMA packages though. I have questions: (1)Can CCRMA be accessed through yum instead of apt? If I knew where the rmps lived (and if they are signed with a gpg key where that is too) then I think could get yum to work nicely with CCRMA. (2)If I used the lsm patched CCRMA kernel (the CCRMA kernel is lsm-module patched so that I can allow realtime priorities to a gid, right?) will this kernel work with the livna kernel modules? If not I guess I can custom build the modules using rpmbuild. I have done that in the past, and it is inconvienent but I can do it if need be. Thanks all! -thewade PS: I am trying to stay in the bay area but I am having trouble finding work. If anyone needs a lab-rat/art-geek please let me know! http://aproximation.org/resume.php From brad at sonaural.com Tue Feb 14 20:13:20 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Tue Feb 14 20:13:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CCRMA and yum In-Reply-To: <20060214170223.idf55f46osw4cwk8@moon.aproximation.org> References: <20060214170223.idf55f46osw4cwk8@moon.aproximation.org> Message-ID: <43F28030.5030807@sonaural.com> thewade wrote: > Hello list! > > I was hoping to install ardour on one of my FC4 machines. I haven't > been using this > machine for realtime audio so I am running the FC4 vanilla kernel so > that the livna.org's > ati-graphics and the ndiswrapper kernel modules will work. I want to > investigate using > the CCRMA packages though. I have questions: > > (1)Can CCRMA be accessed through yum instead of apt? > If I knew where the rmps lived (and if they are signed with a gpg key > where that is too) > then I think could get yum to work nicely with CCRMA. > > This is my /etc/yum.repo.d/planetccrma.repo for FC3. It seems to work: [os] name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Updates baseurl=http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/repodata/fedora/$releasever/core/os/ enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-planetccrma [updates] name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Updates baseurl=http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/repodata/fedora/$releasever/core/updates/ enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-planetccrma [planetccrma] name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Planet CCRMA Apps baseurl=http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/repodata/fedora/$releasever/planetccrma/ enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-planetccrma [planetcore] name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Planet CCRMA Core baseurl=http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/repodata/fedora/$releasever/planetcore/ enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-planetccrma [planetedge] name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Planet CCRMA Core baseurl=http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/repodata/fedora/$releasever/planetedge/ enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-planetccrma From pdman at aproximation.org Tue Feb 14 20:40:45 2006 From: pdman at aproximation.org (thewade) Date: Tue Feb 14 20:39:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CCRMA and yum In-Reply-To: <43F28030.5030807@sonaural.com> References: <20060214170223.idf55f46osw4cwk8@moon.aproximation.org> <43F28030.5030807@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <20060214174045.s57g9zfr400kgkgw@moon.aproximation.org> Thanks Brad! I have two questions now though about your repo file: (1)There is no $basearch in your rpm path: are all the CCRMA rpms i386? (e.g. no ppc?) (2)Your GPG key is a file on your local machine: were did you get the file? Thanks again for your speedy help! -thewade Quoting Brad Fuller : > thewade wrote: >> Hello list! >> >> I was hoping to install ardour on one of my FC4 machines. I haven't >> been using this >> machine for realtime audio so I am running the FC4 vanilla kernel so >> that the livna.org's >> ati-graphics and the ndiswrapper kernel modules will work. I want to >> investigate using >> the CCRMA packages though. I have questions: >> >> (1)Can CCRMA be accessed through yum instead of apt? >> If I knew where the rmps lived (and if they are signed with a gpg >> key where that is too) >> then I think could get yum to work nicely with CCRMA. >> >> > This is my /etc/yum.repo.d/planetccrma.repo for FC3. It seems to work: > > [os] > name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Updates > baseurl=http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/repodata/fedora/$releasever/core/os/ > enabled=1 > gpgcheck=1 > gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-planetccrma > > [updates] > name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Updates > baseurl=http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/repodata/fedora/$releasever/core/updates/ > enabled=1 > gpgcheck=1 > gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-planetccrma > > [planetccrma] > name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Planet CCRMA Apps > baseurl=http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/repodata/fedora/$releasever/planetccrma/ > enabled=1 > gpgcheck=1 > gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-planetccrma > > [planetcore] > name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Planet CCRMA Core > baseurl=http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/repodata/fedora/$releasever/planetcore/ > enabled=1 > gpgcheck=1 > gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-planetccrma > > [planetedge] > name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Planet CCRMA Core > baseurl=http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/repodata/fedora/$releasever/planetedge/ > enabled=1 > gpgcheck=1 > gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-planetccrma > > > From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Tue Feb 14 21:07:45 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Tue Feb 14 21:07:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CCRMA and yum In-Reply-To: <20060214174045.s57g9zfr400kgkgw@moon.aproximation.org> References: <20060214170223.idf55f46osw4cwk8@moon.aproximation.org> <43F28030.5030807@sonaural.com> <20060214174045.s57g9zfr400kgkgw@moon.aproximation.org> Message-ID: <1139969265.23752.46.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 17:40 -0800, thewade wrote: > Thanks Brad! > > I have two questions now though about your repo file: > > (1)There is no $basearch in your rpm path: are all the CCRMA rpms i386? > (e.g. no ppc?) So far all packages are only built for i386... > (2)Your GPG key is a file on your local machine: were did you get the file? http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ scroll down a bit, you'll see it... -- Fernando > Thanks again for your speedy help! > -thewade > > Quoting Brad Fuller : > > > thewade wrote: > >> Hello list! > >> > >> I was hoping to install ardour on one of my FC4 machines. I haven't > >> been using this > >> machine for realtime audio so I am running the FC4 vanilla kernel so > >> that the livna.org's > >> ati-graphics and the ndiswrapper kernel modules will work. I want to > >> investigate using > >> the CCRMA packages though. I have questions: > >> > >> (1)Can CCRMA be accessed through yum instead of apt? > >> If I knew where the rmps lived (and if they are signed with a gpg > >> key where that is too) > >> then I think could get yum to work nicely with CCRMA. > >> > >> > > This is my /etc/yum.repo.d/planetccrma.repo for FC3. It seems to work: > > > > [os] > > name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Updates > > baseurl=http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/repodata/fedora/$releasever/core/os/ > > enabled=1 > > gpgcheck=1 > > gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-planetccrma > > > > [updates] > > name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Updates > > baseurl=http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/repodata/fedora/$releasever/core/updates/ > > enabled=1 > > gpgcheck=1 > > gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-planetccrma > > > > [planetccrma] > > name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Planet CCRMA Apps > > baseurl=http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/repodata/fedora/$releasever/planetccrma/ > > enabled=1 > > gpgcheck=1 > > gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-planetccrma > > > > [planetcore] > > name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Planet CCRMA Core > > baseurl=http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/repodata/fedora/$releasever/planetcore/ > > enabled=1 > > gpgcheck=1 > > gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-planetccrma > > > > [planetedge] > > name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Planet CCRMA Core > > baseurl=http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/repodata/fedora/$releasever/planetedge/ > > enabled=1 > > gpgcheck=1 > > gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-planetccrma > > > > > > > > From pdman at aproximation.org Tue Feb 14 22:39:21 2006 From: pdman at aproximation.org (thewade) Date: Tue Feb 14 22:38:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CCRMA and yum Message-ID: <20060214193921.bo6g56e6kgo8scco@moon.aproximation.org> Hi Fernando, So that GPG key works. I just included the URL to the file on the net insteadd of downloading the file. This is probably defeating the purpose of the GPG because people could theoreticaly modify a rpm and change the key on your site at the same time, but that seems unlikely. I am encountering some problems though. Probably descrepancies between the livna repository and the ccrma repository. Can you tell me if I am correct? yum -y update [lots of messages here...] Error: Missing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 is needed by package xine-lib Error: Missing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 is needed by package xmms-faad2 And it ends there. Just to see if it was missing some file I built from source I ran: rpm -qa | grep faad xmms-faad2-2.0-0.lvn.5.4 faad2-2.0-0.lvn.5.4 rpm -qla | grep libavcodec /usr/lib/libavcodec-CVS.so /usr/lib/libavcodec.so /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.51 So the files are there (and are from RPM's in the livna repository) so I guess the problem is that CCRMA is trying to overwrite these files: am I right? Is there a way to get the CCRMA files to use the livna files? How can I tell if the versions are compatable? Thanks again for all the work you put into CCRMA, and into helping meatheads like myself! -thewade From dana at ubuntustudio.com Tue Feb 14 23:54:51 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Tue Feb 14 23:54:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <1139953320.15823.4.camel@eviltwin> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213013530.GC4739@linux-1> <1139795550.2739.57.camel@mindpipe> <20060214020433.GA4136@lug.udel.edu> <1139953320.15823.4.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602142054w61585e4cwe9f890f90d60ff96@mail.gmail.com> On 2/14/06, Jan Depner wrote: > On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 21:04 -0500, Ross Vandegrift wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 08:52:30PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > > No, it's not that bad, but IMHO it's more of a pain than the realtime > > > LSM, or the PAM solution. > > > > Does a process inherit its parent's RT rlimits? I would expect them > > to work that way. If so, it should be enough to run your display or > > window manager under set_rlimits. Then, any app you started in that X > > session would automatically inherit the ability to request RT > > scheduling and mlock pages. > > I may be missing something here but, why would you run your window > manager as the same user that you use to run RT applications? I > normally log in as Joe_User and then start my applications as a > privileged user (in my case root because I'm lazy ;-) In most window > managers/desktops it is pretty easy to start an app as a different user > with a desktop icon. The only PITA is that you have to enter a password > to start the apps but you only do that once so it's not a big problem. > > -- > Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner > The Fuzzy Dice > http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html > > > "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be > glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and > this we should do freely and generously." > > Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of > Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 First of all, I'm sure you understand that running applications as root is a security risk and not recommended... Secondly, if you run as root, you don't need a patched PAM or set_rlimits.. Dana From ross at lug.udel.edu Wed Feb 15 00:49:37 2006 From: ross at lug.udel.edu (Ross Vandegrift) Date: Wed Feb 15 00:49:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <1139953320.15823.4.camel@eviltwin> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213013530.GC4739@linux-1> <1139795550.2739.57.camel@mindpipe> <20060214020433.GA4136@lug.udel.edu> <1139953320.15823.4.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <20060215054937.GA13112@lug.udel.edu> On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 03:42:00PM -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > > Does a process inherit its parent's RT rlimits? I would expect them > > to work that way. If so, it should be enough to run your display or > > window manager under set_rlimits. Then, any app you started in that X > > session would automatically inherit the ability to request RT > > scheduling and mlock pages. > > I may be missing something here but, why would you run your window > manager as the same user that you use to run RT applications? I > normally log in as Joe_User and then start my applications as a > privileged user (in my case root because I'm lazy ;-) In most window > managers/desktops it is pretty easy to start an app as a different user > with a desktop icon. The only PITA is that you have to enter a password > to start the apps but you only do that once so it's not a big problem. Dana's security objection is one worth remembering, but I must say it seems a moot point when the alternative is letting regular users run things at realtime priorities... ::-) I think Jan will agree that if the other user isn't root, then using two users is pointless. After all, you just have to configure everything discussed for some other user. root is free. My reasons: 1) File ownerships. I do everything as "ross", "ross" owns everything. I don't need to worry about how any files were created. I own them all. Of course I could change them. This would annoy me. 2) Environment configuration. My user "ross" has years and years of customized environment built up in ~. I don't want to have to either replicate it to root, or remember what environment I have when, depending on what apps I'm using when. This would also annoy me greatly. 3) Stupidity protection. Ever "rm -r ." without checking pwd? Oh yea, I have. I'm not saying I'd intentionally name an ardour session something like "/lib/libc.so.6". But hey, I might! Better to protect myself from doing horrible things like this. If I were going to do audio as root, I'd just log my Xsession in as root - cause I'd be even lazier than Jan ::-) -- Ross Vandegrift ross@lug.udel.edu "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell." --St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37 From ivalladt at punkass.com Mon Feb 13 16:33:50 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Wed Feb 15 01:48:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <1139861595.3202.57.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060213184731.GB4245@xscd.com> <20060213193242.81839.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060213200419.GG4245@xscd.com> <1139861595.3202.57.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060213213349.GD3689@localhost.localdomain> Lee Revell escribe: > This isn't necessarily a problem - Guided by Voices had a brilliant > career but their albums are rife with sloppy drunken 4-track edits ;-) It's well known that The Beatles started recording using 4-track just before they released Sgt. Peeper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. This means that milestones like Rubber Soul and Revolver were recorded using 2-track. Of course, the rest of their equipment at Abbey Road was top-class. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Wed Feb 15 02:15:52 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Wed Feb 15 02:15:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060213213349.GD3689@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2006214231552.429793@winxp1> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:33:50 +0100, Ismael Valladolid Torres was like: > It's well known that The Beatles started recording using 4-track > just before they released Sgt. Peeper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. > This means that milestones like Rubber Soul and Revolver were > recorded using 2-track. Actually, EMI Studios (Abbey Road) had a 4-track machine by 1963, and The Beatles were using it by 1964 at the latest, well before they recorded Rubber Soul or Revolver. > > Of course, the rest of their equipment at Abbey Road was top-class. So was the 4-track. Ruben From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Wed Feb 15 04:11:34 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Wed Feb 15 04:11:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ingo molnar patch on mandriva's kernel Message-ID: <43F2F046.30005@rumoridifondo.com> if i try to recompile mandriva's kernel multimedia i see that there's the voice "processors type and features --> preemptible kernel". i think it's not ingo molnar's complete preemtion patch because i don't manage to have low latency with my daw even if i have an audiophile2496 which should work at low latency. so i would like to recompile my kernel multimedia with ingo molnar's patch. is it possible to apply the patch to mandriva's kernel or i must recompile an official kernel from kernel.org? is ingo molnar's patch the only step i have to take to have a low-latency kernel? thank you bye emanuele From dana at ubuntustudio.com Wed Feb 15 04:30:05 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Wed Feb 15 04:30:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ingo molnar patch on mandriva's kernel In-Reply-To: <43F2F046.30005@rumoridifondo.com> References: <43F2F046.30005@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30602150130m2af6d14esa6ae2d1196161bf@mail.gmail.com> On 2/15/06, emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote: > if i try to recompile mandriva's kernel multimedia i see that there's > the voice "processors type and features --> preemptible kernel". i think > it's not ingo molnar's complete preemtion patch because i don't manage > to have low latency with my daw even if i have an audiophile2496 which > should work at low latency. > > so i would like to recompile my kernel multimedia with ingo molnar's patch. > > is it possible to apply the patch to mandriva's kernel or i must > recompile an official kernel from kernel.org? > is ingo molnar's patch the only step i have to take to have a > low-latency kernel? > > thank you > bye > emanuele > Ingo's patch works well for me. I have my doubts that you could successfully apply his patch to the default Mandrake kernel. You could try the -ck patchset, as IIRC, that's the one that Studio To Go! uses and I assume it has Ingo's patch as part of it. When to configure the kernel, you'll want the option "Complete Preemption." Dana From peder at musikhuset.org Wed Feb 15 05:19:54 2006 From: peder at musikhuset.org (Peder Hedlund) Date: Wed Feb 15 05:20:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ingo molnar patch on mandriva's kernel In-Reply-To: <43F2F046.30005@rumoridifondo.com> References: <43F2F046.30005@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote: > if i try to recompile mandriva's kernel multimedia i see that there's > the voice "processors type and features --> preemptible kernel". i think > it's not ingo molnar's complete preemtion patch because i don't manage > to have low latency with my daw even if i have an audiophile2496 which > should work at low latency. I'd go with the precompiled multimedia kernel. I have an audiophile2496 as well and my AMD 2000+ has no problem with low latency. The trick though is to add yourself to the "audio" group. As you can see in /etc/security/limits.conf those members have realtime capabilities. - Peder From okonsar at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 05:29:47 2006 From: okonsar at gmail.com (Mehmet Okonsar) Date: Wed Feb 15 05:29:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa-seq. does not start Message-ID: <589372056.20060215122947@okonsar.com> I wasn't able to follow the documentation on the net about my problem: ====================== I installed Debian testing with kernel 2.6.12 on my notebook Asus5N which has a AC97 chip. Alsa seems to run well, it does make noises, but no midi app can start. They all gives the message "seq. did not start" or similar.. Is there somewhere a simple (very simple..) tutorial on how to enable alsa-seq on Deb. I do not know how to compile it, it is probably installed without seq. enabled.. (just a blind guess) how to load a wavetable noise-making soft how to load a simple midi player and how to get (more or less ugly) sounds out of my notebook.. many thanks ------------- Best regards, Mehmet Okon?ar, pianist-composer www.okonsar.com mehmet@okonsar.com From x at branwelt.de Wed Feb 15 05:38:50 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Wed Feb 15 05:37:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa-seq. does not start In-Reply-To: <589372056.20060215122947@okonsar.com> References: <589372056.20060215122947@okonsar.com> Message-ID: <43F304BA.4080200@branwelt.de> Mehmet Okonsar wrote: >Is there somewhere a simple (very simple..) tutorial on how to enable >alsa-seq on Deb. > (as root) try the command: modprobe snd-seq modprobe snd-seq-midi >how to load a simple midi player and > > you may want to try seq24 as sequencer with zynaddsubfx or qsynth (fluidsynth) for sound generation Emanuel From x at branwelt.de Wed Feb 15 05:59:27 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Wed Feb 15 05:58:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa-seq. does not start In-Reply-To: <43F304BA.4080200@branwelt.de> References: <589372056.20060215122947@okonsar.com> <43F304BA.4080200@branwelt.de> Message-ID: <43F3098F.9020801@branwelt.de> Emanuel Rumpf wrote: >Mehmet Okonsar wrote: > > > >>Is there somewhere a simple (very simple..) tutorial on how to enable >>alsa-seq on Deb. >> >> >> >(as root) try the command: >modprobe snd-seq >modprobe snd-seq-midi > > > >>how to load a simple midi player and >> >> try pmidi pmidi -l pmidi -p129:0 test.mid find more players at http://linux-sound.org/midi.html Emanuel From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Wed Feb 15 06:11:54 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Wed Feb 15 06:12:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ingo molnar patch on mandriva's kernel In-Reply-To: <20060215103006.692D8644160@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060215103006.692D8644160@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <43F30C7A.4010204@rumoridifondo.com> i have yet add my user to audio group and i have modify /etc/security/limits.conf too as it is explained in this page (http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=386921 ) my problems are not in recording audio or playing external midi equipment but in playing soft-synth. for example if run the 3rd patch of hexter (FatThinE.P.) at 32notes of poliphony or the patch "The master" of LMMS i got a lot of xrun. where can i download the -ck patchset? thank you a lot. emanuele > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Oggetto: > Re: [linux-audio-user] ingo molnar patch on mandriva's kernel > Da: > Dana Olson > Data: > Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:30:05 -0500 > A: > A list for linux audio users > > A: > A list for linux audio users > > >On 2/15/06, emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. > wrote: > > >>if i try to recompile mandriva's kernel multimedia i see that there's >>the voice "processors type and features --> preemptible kernel". i think >>it's not ingo molnar's complete preemtion patch because i don't manage >>to have low latency with my daw even if i have an audiophile2496 which >>should work at low latency. >> >>so i would like to recompile my kernel multimedia with ingo molnar's patch. >> >>is it possible to apply the patch to mandriva's kernel or i must >>recompile an official kernel from kernel.org? >>is ingo molnar's patch the only step i have to take to have a >>low-latency kernel? >> >>thank you >>bye >>emanuele >> >> >> > >Ingo's patch works well for me. I have my doubts that you could >successfully apply his patch to the default Mandrake kernel. You could >try the -ck patchset, as IIRC, that's the one that Studio To Go! uses >and I assume it has Ingo's patch as part of it. > >When to configure the kernel, you'll want the option "Complete Preemption." > >Dana > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Oggetto: > Re: [linux-audio-user] ingo molnar patch on mandriva's kernel > Da: > Peder Hedlund > Data: > Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:19:54 +0100 (CET) > A: > A list for linux audio users > > A: > A list for linux audio users > > >On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.. wrote: > > > >>if i try to recompile mandriva's kernel multimedia i see that there's >>the voice "processors type and features --> preemptible kernel". i think >>it's not ingo molnar's complete preemtion patch because i don't manage >>to have low latency with my daw even if i have an audiophile2496 which >>should work at low latency. >> >> > > I'd go with the precompiled multimedia kernel. > I have an audiophile2496 as well and my AMD 2000+ has no problem with > low latency. > > The trick though is to add yourself to the "audio" group. > As you can see in /etc/security/limits.conf those members have > realtime capabilities. > > - Peder > > From peder at musikhuset.org Wed Feb 15 06:46:55 2006 From: peder at musikhuset.org (Peder Hedlund) Date: Wed Feb 15 06:47:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ingo molnar patch on mandriva's kernel In-Reply-To: <43F30C7A.4010204@rumoridifondo.com> References: <20060215103006.692D8644160@music.columbia.edu> <43F30C7A.4010204@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: > my problems are not in recording audio or playing external midi > equipment but in playing soft-synth. for example if run the 3rd patch of > hexter (FatThinE.P.) at 32notes of poliphony or the patch "The master" > of LMMS i got a lot of xrun. What kind of hardware do you have? Have you set up Jack to use realtime? You should see a faint yellow RT in the qjackctl window. > where can i download the -ck patchset? It's here: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ but I doubt it'll patch cleanly against Mandrivas kernel. I'd go for the latest 2.6.14 (think it's .6) and get the latest Ingo patch for that kernel (2.6.15 requires a new udev so that might not be the easiest kernel to get to work in Mandriva). - Peder From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Feb 15 09:13:45 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Feb 15 09:13:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <2006214231552.429793@winxp1> References: <20060213213349.GD3689@localhost.localdomain> <2006214231552.429793@winxp1> Message-ID: <20060215141345.GA9266@slinkp.com> On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 11:15:52PM -0800, Ruben Lopez wrote: > On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:33:50 +0100, Ismael Valladolid Torres was like: > > Of course, the rest of their equipment at Abbey Road was top-class. > > So was the 4-track. Not to mention the engineering skill, the acoustics, and oh yeah, the musicians ;-) What's amazing to me is that they didn't have access to an 8-track until the White Album. Listen to something like "I Am the Walrus" or "Tomorrow Never Knows" and imagine creating that on a 4-track. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From brad at sonaural.com Wed Feb 15 10:54:59 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Wed Feb 15 10:55:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060215141345.GA9266@slinkp.com> References: <20060213213349.GD3689@localhost.localdomain> <2006214231552.429793@winxp1> <20060215141345.GA9266@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <43F34ED3.803@sonaural.com> Paul Winkler wrote: > On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 11:15:52PM -0800, Ruben Lopez wrote: > >> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:33:50 +0100, Ismael Valladolid Torres was like: >> >>> Of course, the rest of their equipment at Abbey Road was top-class. >>> >> So was the 4-track. >> > > Not to mention the engineering skill, the acoustics, > and oh yeah, the musicians ;-) > > What's amazing to me is that they didn't have access to an 8-track > until the White Album. Listen to something like > "I Am the Walrus" or "Tomorrow Never Knows" and imagine creating that on > a 4-track. > perhaps bouncing was their friend. -- Brad Fuller (408) 799-6124 ** Sonaural Audio Studios ** (408) 799-6123 West San Jose (408) 799-6124 Cambrian ________________________________ Hear us online: www.Sonaural.com From daneasley at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 11:08:21 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Wed Feb 15 11:08:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <43F34ED3.803@sonaural.com> References: <20060213213349.GD3689@localhost.localdomain> <2006214231552.429793@winxp1> <20060215141345.GA9266@slinkp.com> <43F34ED3.803@sonaural.com> Message-ID: On 2/15/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > > What's amazing to me is that they didn't have access to an 8-track > > until the White Album. Listen to something like > > "I Am the Walrus" or "Tomorrow Never Knows" and imagine creating that on > > a 4-track. > > > perhaps bouncing was their friend. yeah, I believe they commonly would fill up one 4-track, then bounce it to one or two tracks of their other 4-track, fill that one up, and do it again. man, i just wasn't made for those times. -- dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com daneasley@gmail.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Feb 15 12:02:25 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Feb 15 12:02:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: References: <20060213213349.GD3689@localhost.localdomain> <2006214231552.429793@winxp1> <20060215141345.GA9266@slinkp.com> <43F34ED3.803@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <20060215170224.GC9266@slinkp.com> On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 11:08:21AM -0500, Dan Easley wrote: > On 2/15/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > > > What's amazing to me is that they didn't have access to an 8-track > > > until the White Album. Listen to something like > > > "I Am the Walrus" or "Tomorrow Never Knows" and imagine creating that on > > > a 4-track. > > > > > perhaps bouncing was their friend. > > yeah, I believe they commonly would fill up one 4-track, then bounce > it to one or two tracks of their other 4-track, fill that one up, and > do it again. man, i just wasn't made for those times. Yes. You had to be really, really good at creating submixes, because once you'd comitted to one, you couldn't do it over without throwing away all your later work. It helped that these 4-track machines were then state-of-the-art reel-to-reel devices. If you tried all that bouncing on a cassette portastudio, it'd sound like utter crap real quick. All hiss and no treble makes your mix a dull bore. The other trick the Beatles had up their sleeve was one of their engineers invention of automatick doubling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_double_tracking Of course, the real pioneer of all this stuff was Les Paul. He was bouncing eight guitar parts in 1947 on wax discs. He invented and paid for Ampex to build him an eight-track reel to reel overdub-capable machine in 1954. Nobody else had eight tracks until the mid sixties. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Feb 15 13:24:30 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Feb 15 13:24:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ingo molnar patch on mandriva's kernel In-Reply-To: References: <20060215103006.692D8644160@music.columbia.edu> <43F30C7A.4010204@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: <1140027870.2733.42.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 12:46 +0100, Peder Hedlund wrote: > It's here: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ > but I doubt it'll patch cleanly against Mandrivas kernel. > > I'd go for the latest 2.6.14 (think it's .6) and get the latest > Ingo patch for that kernel (2.6.15 requires a new udev so that > might not be the easiest kernel to get to work in Mandriva). Um, the -rt patch and the -ck patch are mutually exclusive. You want the -rt patch not the -ck patch. Why are you building your own kernel, there should be precompiled -rt kernel packages for every distro by now. Lee From rtp405 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 15 13:28:11 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Wed Feb 15 13:28:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060215170224.GC9266@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20060215182811.74747.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> More interesting links for historical context: http://www.answers.com/topic/tom-dowd?method=8 http://www.angelfire.com/ca/oldtimers/TomDowd.html ron --- Paul Winkler wrote: > On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 11:08:21AM -0500, Dan Easley > wrote: > > On 2/15/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > > > > What's amazing to me is that they didn't have > access to an 8-track > > > > until the White Album. Listen to something > like > > > > "I Am the Walrus" or "Tomorrow Never Knows" > and imagine creating that on > > > > a 4-track. > > > > > > > perhaps bouncing was their friend. > > > > yeah, I believe they commonly would fill up one > 4-track, then bounce > > it to one or two tracks of their other 4-track, > fill that one up, and > > do it again. man, i just wasn't made for those > times. > > Yes. You had to be really, really good at creating > submixes, > because once you'd comitted to one, you couldn't do > it over > without throwing away all your later work. > > It helped that these 4-track machines were then > state-of-the-art > reel-to-reel devices. If you tried all that > bouncing on a > cassette portastudio, it'd sound like utter crap > real quick. > All hiss and no treble makes your mix a dull bore. > > The other trick the Beatles had up their sleeve was > one of their engineers invention of automatick > doubling: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_double_tracking > > Of course, the real pioneer of all this stuff was > Les Paul. > He was bouncing eight guitar parts in 1947 on wax > discs. > He invented and paid for Ampex to build him an > eight-track reel to reel > overdub-capable machine in 1954. Nobody else had > eight tracks > until the mid sixties. > > -- > > Paul Winkler > http://www.slinkp.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Feb 15 13:56:35 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed Feb 15 13:56:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CCRMA and yum In-Reply-To: <20060214193921.bo6g56e6kgo8scco@moon.aproximation.org> References: <20060214193921.bo6g56e6kgo8scco@moon.aproximation.org> Message-ID: <1140029795.9150.14.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 19:39 -0800, thewade wrote: > So that GPG key works. I just included the URL to the file on the net > insteadd of downloading the file. This is probably defeating the > purpose of the GPG because people could theoreticaly modify a rpm and > change the key on your site at the same time, but that seems unlikely. > > I am encountering some problems though. Probably descrepancies between > the livna repository and the ccrma repository. Can you tell me if I am > correct? > > yum -y update > [lots of messages here...] > Error: Missing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 is needed by package xine-lib > Error: Missing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 is needed by package > xmms-faad2 > > And it ends there. Just to see if it was missing some file I built from > source I ran: > rpm -qa | grep faad > xmms-faad2-2.0-0.lvn.5.4 > faad2-2.0-0.lvn.5.4 > rpm -qla | grep libavcodec > /usr/lib/libavcodec-CVS.so > /usr/lib/libavcodec.so > /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.51 > > So the files are there (and are from RPM's in the livna repository) so > I guess the problem is that CCRMA is trying to overwrite these files: > am I right? > Is there a way to get the CCRMA files to use the livna files? > How can I tell if the versions are compatable? It looks like the version of ffmpeg in livna and the one in Planet CCRMA are not compatible. I have: ffmpeg-0.4.9-0.1.20050427 Packages in Planet CCRMA that seem to be affected would be: ffmpeg2theora, kino, mjpegtools (I think) Do you have any of those installed? I wonder what is triggering the problem in yum... I don't know much about yum but it must be possible to tell it to ignore updates to packages, or to establish priorities between repositories. You could do something like that with ffmpeg so that yum does not try to upgrade to the Planet CCRMA version. -- Fernando From kevinc at doink.com Wed Feb 15 14:06:58 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Wed Feb 15 14:17:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ingo molnar patch on mandriva's kernel In-Reply-To: <1140027870.2733.42.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060215190659.31313406F@joseph.doink.com> On 15 February 2006 at 13:24, Lee Revell wrote: > Um, the -rt patch and the -ck patch are mutually exclusive. You want > the -rt patch not the -ck patch. > > Why are you building your own kernel, there should be precompiled -rt > kernel packages for every distro by now. I'm running Mandrake 10.1 on my current music machine, and Mandriva 2006.0 on the machine I'll use for music in the future. Those machines run Mandr* kernel versions 2.6.7-1.mm_3kc.7mdk-i686-up-4GB and 2.6.12-12mdksmp, respectively. In the /boot/config* files of those machines I see this: CONFIG_SECURITY_REALTIME=m for some kernels, namely the "mm" optional kernels. Is this enough to conclude that those kernels make use of the -rt patch? If not, then I'm having one heck of a time finding -rt + Mandrake/Mandriva info on the web. Any pointers would be appreciated. For what it's worth, I'm getting pretty good music performance with ardour & jack on the 2.6.7 machine. I haven't tried yet with the 2.6.12 machine. Is there a kernel version that begins to include the -rt patch by default? If so, what's the oldest version like that? Thanks much... -- Kevin From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Feb 15 14:34:28 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Feb 15 14:34:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060215182811.74747.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060215170224.GC9266@slinkp.com> <20060215182811.74747.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060215193428.GG9266@slinkp.com> On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 10:28:11AM -0800, R Parker wrote: > More interesting links for historical context: > http://www.answers.com/topic/tom-dowd?method=8 > http://www.angelfire.com/ca/oldtimers/TomDowd.html Good stuff, I didn't know about Tom Dowd. Sounds like he was way ahead of the curve on multitracking... 1958 was pretty damn early! So I was wrong about nobody but Les Paul having an eight-track until the mid sixties. But Les Paul was still first :) -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Wed Feb 15 14:40:56 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Wed Feb 15 14:41:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ingo molnar patch on mandriva's kernel In-Reply-To: <20060215182440.C3A6964DD79@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060215182440.C3A6964DD79@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <43F383C8.50008@rumoridifondo.com> yes, mandriva has it's realtime kernel (the kernel multimedia) but i still have xrun when i play soft-synth with a big chord and fast arpeggios. so i think that mandriva's kernel is not really patched with -rt. but maybe it's just an error on configuring my computer or something wrong with some hardware. another doubt is that i don't manage to change irq handler with "chrt" command because i don't have that command and i don't know how get it. in the qjackctl window i don't how configure the priority because i don't know what irq handler priority my soundcard have. as you can see, i'm at the beginning with linux and linux and audio! :-) i thought it was easier setting a working daw with mandriva... bye emanuele > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Oggetto: > Re: [linux-audio-user] ingo molnar patch on mandriva's kernel > Da: > Lee Revell > Data: > Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:24:30 -0500 > A: > A list for linux audio users > > A: > A list for linux audio users > > >Why are you building your own kernel, there should be precompiled -rt >kernel packages for every distro by now. > >Lee > > From pdman at aproximation.org Wed Feb 15 14:55:51 2006 From: pdman at aproximation.org (thewade) Date: Wed Feb 15 14:54:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CCRMA and yum In-Reply-To: <1140029795.9150.14.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <20060214193921.bo6g56e6kgo8scco@moon.aproximation.org> <1140029795.9150.14.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20060215115551.k12fjtzqgo4cc4c0@moon.aproximation.org> Quoting Fernando Lopez-Lezcano : > On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 19:39 -0800, thewade wrote: >> I am encountering some problems though. Probably descrepancies between >> the livna repository and the ccrma repository. Can you tell me if I am >> correct? >> >> yum -y update >> [lots of messages here...] >> Error: Missing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 is needed by package xine-lib >> Error: Missing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 is needed by package >> xmms-faad2 >> >> And it ends there. Just to see if it was missing some file I built from >> source I ran: >> rpm -qa | grep faad >> xmms-faad2-2.0-0.lvn.5.4 >> faad2-2.0-0.lvn.5.4 >> rpm -qla | grep libavcodec >> /usr/lib/libavcodec-CVS.so >> /usr/lib/libavcodec.so >> /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.51 >> > It looks like the version of ffmpeg in livna and the one in Planet CCRMA > are not compatible. I have: > ffmpeg-0.4.9-0.1.20050427 > Packages in Planet CCRMA that seem to be affected would be: > ffmpeg2theora, kino, mjpegtools > (I think) > Do you have any of those installed? > I wonder what is triggering the problem in yum... > > I don't know much about yum but it must be possible to tell it to ignore > updates to packages, or to establish priorities between repositories. > You could do something like that with ffmpeg so that yum does not try to > upgrade to the Planet CCRMA version. > I do have some of thoes packages installed: rpm -q mjpegtools ffmpeg kino ffmpeg2theora mjpegtools-1.8.0-0.lvn.1.4 ffmpeg-0.4.9-0.lvn.0.20.20051228.4 kino-0.7.6-0.lvn.3.4 package ffmpeg2theora is not installed I tried to upgrade just these packages but it comes back to libavcodec.so.51 for xine-lib rpm -q xine-lib xine-lib-1.1.1-0.lvn.3.4 What version of xine-lib is in ccrma? Or perhaps your repository has a newer ffmpeg then livna, and the solution is for livna to update their xine-lib with the new ffmpeg? The guy that runs livna is pritty nice and perhaps he would do that, if that is the problem... I still do not understand where the breakdown is happening though. Your version of libavcodec (from ffmpeg) is newer then the livna libavcodec, and so xine-lib should be happy, right? Please advise. Thanks! -thewade From brent at keycorner.org Wed Feb 15 15:39:53 2006 From: brent at keycorner.org (Brent Busby) Date: Wed Feb 15 15:40:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <20060215054937.GA13112@lug.udel.edu> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213013530.GC4739@linux-1> <1139795550.2739.57.camel@mindpipe> <20060214020433.GA4136@lug.udel.edu> <1139953320.15823.4.camel@eviltwin> <20060215054937.GA13112@lug.udel.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Ross Vandegrift wrote: > On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 03:42:00PM -0600, Jan Depner wrote: >>> Does a process inherit its parent's RT rlimits? I would expect them >>> to work that way. If so, it should be enough to run your display or >>> window manager under set_rlimits. Then, any app you started in that X >>> session would automatically inherit the ability to request RT >>> scheduling and mlock pages. I didn't want to say this earlier, because I realize most of the users on this list are probably running single-user workstations, and are not expecting their machines to perform as general purpose Unix sites on the Internet, but...there are at least a few reasons why running an entire desktop session from the window manager up at realtime priority would be a really _bad_ idea. The kernel runs many of its internal processes at specific priorities or niceness levels because they're considered important enough that nothing below a certain level should be able to preempt them, and there are often daemons in user space that are almost as important. While it's nice to be able to assign that kind of importance to some particular audio app (like Ardour), because its CPU needs are so exotic (compared to other kinds of apps) and so demanding that it's an exception, I still really don't think I'd like having every process on my desktop all screaming at the kernel at the same time, "I'm realtime! Realtime! No, ME! Listen to ME right NOW!" > Dana's security objection is one worth remembering, but I must say it > seems a moot point when the alternative is letting regular users run > things at realtime priorities... ::-) The best solution would be to have it controlled by some Posix group, just like you have people who can access audio hardware, or video, or burn CD's, or anything else like that in /etc/group. You could decide who you trust to not abuse the realtime privilege. > 2) Environment configuration. My user "ross" has years and years of > customized environment built up in ~. I don't want to have to either > replicate it to root, or remember what environment I have when, > depending on what apps I'm using when. This would also annoy me > greatly. Absolutely! In fact, the first thing I think when I see a system that has lots of dot files in root's home directory is somebody's been using the root account here _way_ too much. If anybody should have customized settings, it should be the regular user accounts. > 3) Stupidity protection. Ever "rm -r ." without checking pwd? Oh > yea, I have. I'm not saying I'd intentionally name an ardour session > something like "/lib/libc.so.6". But hey, I might! Better to protect > myself from doing horrible things like this. That actually brings to mind what is to me the main reason not to run things as root (especially big complex audio apps): It's not so much the security issue -- because frankly, while it's true your binaries might be trojaned, let's face it, they probably aren't -- it's the STABILITY issue. Problems in the code that might just result in a segfault as a regular user can cause a system hang as root. Filesystems can be corrupted. Uptime can be mysteriously shortened. As a rule, the more big and exotic the application is, the more running it as root scares me silly. I think that guideline would probably put things like Ardour running as root in the Freddy Kreuger Nightmare on Elm Street department, because applications on Linux don't get much more big and exotic than Ardour. Heck, I don't even think people who run Emacs as root are sane. Yes, it's a text editor...but...it's a text editor the size of Ohio. Who _knows_ what's in that thing... > If I were going to do audio as root, I'd just log my Xsession in as > root - cause I'd be even lazier than Jan ::-) Aeeii! No!! Make it stop! :-) -- + Brent A. Busby, UNIX Systems Admin + "It's like being + + James Franck / Enrico Fermi Institute + blindsided by a + + The University of Chicago + flying dwarf..." + From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Feb 15 15:50:30 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Feb 15 15:52:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213013530.GC4739@linux-1> <1139795550.2739.57.camel@mindpipe> <20060214020433.GA4136@lug.udel.edu> <1139953320.15823.4.camel@eviltwin> <20060215054937.GA13112@lug.udel.edu> Message-ID: <1140036630.4142.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 14:39 -0600, Brent Busby wrote: > On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Ross Vandegrift wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 03:42:00PM -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > >>> Does a process inherit its parent's RT rlimits? I would expect them > >>> to work that way. If so, it should be enough to run your display or > >>> window manager under set_rlimits. Then, any app you started in that X > >>> session would automatically inherit the ability to request RT > >>> scheduling and mlock pages. > > I didn't want to say this earlier, because I realize most of the users > on this list are probably running single-user workstations, and are not > expecting their machines to perform as general purpose Unix sites on the > Internet, but...there are at least a few reasons why running an entire > desktop session from the window manager up at realtime priority would be > a really _bad_ idea. set_rtlimits, as i understand it, doesn't run its child process with RT scheduling, it makes it possible for its child (and grandchildren etc.) to successfully ask for RT scheduling. --p From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Feb 15 15:54:13 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed Feb 15 15:54:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CCRMA and yum In-Reply-To: <20060215115551.k12fjtzqgo4cc4c0@moon.aproximation.org> References: <20060214193921.bo6g56e6kgo8scco@moon.aproximation.org> <1140029795.9150.14.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060215115551.k12fjtzqgo4cc4c0@moon.aproximation.org> Message-ID: <1140036853.9150.48.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 11:55 -0800, thewade wrote: > Quoting Fernando Lopez-Lezcano : > > > On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 19:39 -0800, thewade wrote: > >> I am encountering some problems though. Probably descrepancies between > >> the livna repository and the ccrma repository. Can you tell me if I am > >> correct? > >> > >> yum -y update > >> [lots of messages here...] > >> Error: Missing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 is needed by package xine-lib > >> Error: Missing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 is needed by package > >> xmms-faad2 > >> > >> And it ends there. Just to see if it was missing some file I built from > >> source I ran: > >> rpm -qa | grep faad > >> xmms-faad2-2.0-0.lvn.5.4 > >> faad2-2.0-0.lvn.5.4 > >> rpm -qla | grep libavcodec > >> /usr/lib/libavcodec-CVS.so > >> /usr/lib/libavcodec.so > >> /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.51 > >> > > It looks like the version of ffmpeg in livna and the one in Planet CCRMA > > are not compatible. I have: > > ffmpeg-0.4.9-0.1.20050427 > > Packages in Planet CCRMA that seem to be affected would be: > > ffmpeg2theora, kino, mjpegtools > > (I think) > > Do you have any of those installed? > > I wonder what is triggering the problem in yum... > > > > I don't know much about yum but it must be possible to tell it to ignore > > updates to packages, or to establish priorities between repositories. > > You could do something like that with ffmpeg so that yum does not try to > > upgrade to the Planet CCRMA version. > > > > I do have some of thoes packages installed: > rpm -q mjpegtools ffmpeg kino ffmpeg2theora > mjpegtools-1.8.0-0.lvn.1.4 > ffmpeg-0.4.9-0.lvn.0.20.20051228.4 > kino-0.7.6-0.lvn.3.4 > package ffmpeg2theora is not installed > > I tried to upgrade just these packages but it comes back to > libavcodec.so.51 for xine-lib > rpm -q xine-lib > xine-lib-1.1.1-0.lvn.3.4 > > What version of xine-lib is in ccrma? Planet CCRMA does not have it. > Or perhaps your repository has a newer ffmpeg then livna, and the solution > is for livna to update their xine-lib with the new ffmpeg? Nope, according to your package list livna's version of ffmpeg is newer than Planet CCRMA's. > The guy that runs livna is pritty nice > and perhaps he would do that, if that is the problem... > I still do not understand where the breakdown is happening though. Your > version of libavcodec (from ffmpeg) is newer then the livna libavcodec, > and so xine-lib should be happy, right? No, I don't think livna's is older. Xine-lib wants a specific version of libavcodec, and it is not compatible with the one in Planet CCRMA. I still don't understand completely. Do you have xine-lib installed already? Or is that what is triggering the problem when you try to install it? What happens if you erase the Planet CCRMA yum configuration and then install xine-lib (or whatever it is you want to install)? We don't know if the package dependencies are clean in your rpm database, I think. Yum can work (AFAIK) with an rpm database where dependencies are not clean, apt can't. I don't know if there is a way in yum to check dependencies (to make sure all are currently satisfied). -- Fernando From rtp405 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 15 15:58:33 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Wed Feb 15 15:58:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060215193428.GG9266@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20060215205833.38270.qmail@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Paul Winkler wrote: > On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 10:28:11AM -0800, R Parker > wrote: > > More interesting links for historical context: > > http://www.answers.com/topic/tom-dowd?method=8 > > http://www.angelfire.com/ca/oldtimers/TomDowd.html > > Good stuff, I didn't know about Tom Dowd. > Sounds like he was way ahead of the curve on > multitracking... > 1958 was pretty damn early! The Sundance channel broadcasts a Dowd Biography. He's got an awesome story. So I was wrong about > nobody but > Les Paul having an eight-track until the mid > sixties. > > But Les Paul was still first :) There's no diminishing Les Paul's contribution. The man is incredible. :) ron > -- > > Paul Winkler > http://www.slinkp.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From fbar at footils.org Wed Feb 15 16:32:16 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Feb 15 16:32:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <1140036630.4142.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213013530.GC4739@linux-1> <1139795550.2739.57.camel@mindpipe> <20060214020433.GA4136@lug.udel.edu> <1139953320.15823.4.camel@eviltwin> <20060215054937.GA13112@lug.udel.edu> <1140036630.4142.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060215213216.GI501@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Paul Davis hat gesagt: // Paul Davis wrote: > set_rtlimits, as i understand it, doesn't run its child process with RT > scheduling, it makes it possible for its child (and grandchildren etc.) > to successfully ask for RT scheduling. Well, not it's grandchildren, at least not in my tests. If I put only /usr/bin/jackd in /etc/set_rtlimits.conf, then start "set_rtlimits -r /usr/bin/jackd -R -d alsa -d hw:0", jackd runs with higher priority. However if I then start ardour, it complains about not being able to gain RT scheduling. The fix for me is, to also add /usr/bin/ardour to /etc/set_rtlimits.conf, and then start ardour as: "set_rtlimits -r /usr/bin/ardour" after jackd. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From mista.tapas at gmx.net Wed Feb 15 16:51:56 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Wed Feb 15 16:52:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <20060215213216.GI501@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213013530.GC4739@linux-1> <1139795550.2739.57.camel@mindpipe> <20060214020433.GA4136@lug.udel.edu> <1139953320.15823.4.camel@eviltwin> <20060215054937.GA13112@lug.udel.edu> <1140036630.4142.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060215213216.GI501@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060215225156.55be3e20@mango.fruits.de> On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:32:16 +0100 Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Paul Davis hat gesagt: // Paul Davis wrote: > > > set_rtlimits, as i understand it, doesn't run its child process with RT > > scheduling, it makes it possible for its child (and grandchildren etc.) > > to successfully ask for RT scheduling. > > Well, not it's grandchildren, at least not in my tests. If I put only > /usr/bin/jackd in /etc/set_rtlimits.conf, then start "set_rtlimits -r > /usr/bin/jackd -R -d alsa -d hw:0", jackd runs with higher priority. > However if I then start ardour, it complains about not being able to > gain RT scheduling. Well, actually ardour is not a child process of jackd at all. It's a seperate programm communicating through a library with jackd. Regards, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From kevinc at doink.com Wed Feb 15 16:55:53 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Wed Feb 15 16:56:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ingo molnar patch on mandriva's kernel In-Reply-To: <43F383C8.50008@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: <20060215215553.1C806407F@joseph.doink.com> On 15 February 2006 at 20:40, "emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.." wrote: > yes, mandriva has it's realtime kernel (the kernel multimedia) but i > still have xrun when i play soft-synth with a big chord and fast arpeggios. I haven't played a soft-synth. I've used ardour and plug-ins a lot though, and without xruns. At times I've played 70 tracks of 44.1kHz sounds. When I do that my disk has trouble keeping up, but eventually it does keep up and it seems to work. This is certainly not recommended, and doing actual work like this probably will cause the application to misbehave in some way. It's just an illustration that the Mandrake multimedia kernel is doing its job right. > so i think that mandriva's kernel is not really patched with -rt. but > maybe it's just an error on configuring my computer or something wrong > with some hardware. I'm running Mandrake 10.1's 2.6.7 mm kernel. I /etc/modprobe.preload my kernel with realcap. My /etc/modprobe.conf contains this: remove realcap /sbin/modprobe --first-time -r --ignore-remove realcap install realcap /sbin/modprobe --first-time --ignore-install realcap gid=81 Group ID 81 is "audio". My user ID is a member of the "audio" group, but that's not my primary group. I start jackd like this: /usr/bin/jackd -R -d alsa -d hw -r 44100 -p 2048 -n 2 2048 is pretty big, and I don't always do that. Sometimes I start it down at 128 or 256. I don't get very good results below that. Best of luck.... -- Kevin From pdman at aproximation.org Wed Feb 15 17:04:02 2006 From: pdman at aproximation.org (thewade) Date: Wed Feb 15 17:03:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CCRMA and yum In-Reply-To: <1140036853.9150.48.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <20060214193921.bo6g56e6kgo8scco@moon.aproximation.org> <1140029795.9150.14.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060215115551.k12fjtzqgo4cc4c0@moon.aproximation.org> <1140036853.9150.48.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20060215140402.bkhp7c9eyo04ckws@moon.aproximation.org> Quoting Fernando Lopez-Lezcano : > On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 11:55 -0800, thewade wrote: >> Quoting Fernando Lopez-Lezcano : >> >> > On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 19:39 -0800, thewade wrote: >> >> I am encountering some problems though. Probably descrepancies between >> >> the livna repository and the ccrma repository. Can you tell me if I am >> >> correct? >> >> >> >> yum -y update >> >> [lots of messages here...] >> >> Error: Missing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 is needed by package xine-lib >> >> Error: Missing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 is needed by package >> >> xmms-faad2 >> >> >> >> And it ends there. Just to see if it was missing some file I built from >> >> source I ran: >> >> rpm -qa | grep faad >> >> xmms-faad2-2.0-0.lvn.5.4 >> >> faad2-2.0-0.lvn.5.4 >> >> rpm -qla | grep libavcodec >> >> /usr/lib/libavcodec-CVS.so >> >> /usr/lib/libavcodec.so >> >> /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.51 >> >> >> > It looks like the version of ffmpeg in livna and the one in Planet CCRMA >> > are not compatible. I have: >> > ffmpeg-0.4.9-0.1.20050427 >> > Packages in Planet CCRMA that seem to be affected would be: >> > ffmpeg2theora, kino, mjpegtools >> > (I think) >> > Do you have any of those installed? >> > I wonder what is triggering the problem in yum... >> > >> > I don't know much about yum but it must be possible to tell it to ignore >> > updates to packages, or to establish priorities between repositories. >> > You could do something like that with ffmpeg so that yum does not try to >> > upgrade to the Planet CCRMA version. >> > >> >> I do have some of thoes packages installed: >> rpm -q mjpegtools ffmpeg kino ffmpeg2theora >> mjpegtools-1.8.0-0.lvn.1.4 >> ffmpeg-0.4.9-0.lvn.0.20.20051228.4 >> kino-0.7.6-0.lvn.3.4 >> package ffmpeg2theora is not installed >> >> I tried to upgrade just these packages but it comes back to >> libavcodec.so.51 for xine-lib >> rpm -q xine-lib >> xine-lib-1.1.1-0.lvn.3.4 >> >> What version of xine-lib is in ccrma? > > Planet CCRMA does not have it. > >> Or perhaps your repository has a newer ffmpeg then livna, and the solution >> is for livna to update their xine-lib with the new ffmpeg? > > Nope, according to your package list livna's version of ffmpeg is newer > than Planet CCRMA's. OK, I get it now. the Livna ffmpeg is 0.4.9-0 and ccrma is 0.4.9-0.1 but the date is newer for the livna version. Where they put the "lvn" confused me as to the version. (but then again I am an idiot. It doesn't take much to confuse me.) >> The guy that runs livna is pritty nice >> and perhaps he would do that, if that is the problem... >> I still do not understand where the breakdown is happening though. Your >> version of libavcodec (from ffmpeg) is newer then the livna libavcodec, >> and so xine-lib should be happy, right? > > No, I don't think livna's is older. Xine-lib wants a specific version of > libavcodec, and it is not compatible with the one in Planet CCRMA. > > I still don't understand completely. Do you have xine-lib installed > already? I have the livna xine-lib installed (so I can watch DVD's using xine): xine-lib-1.1.1-0.lvn.3.4 > Or is that what is triggering the problem when you try to > install it? That is where I am confused. I just run "yum update" and it dies on libavcodec and faad2. > What happens if you erase the Planet CCRMA yum configuration > and then install xine-lib (or whatever it is you want to install)? I already installed ardour from ccrma, as well as its requirements of jack and some other packages. I had built jack and qjackctl from source before so that was really just an rpm database thing. I guess I am trying to get the ccrma kernel installed and the dependancy tree gets snagged on libavcodec and faad2 (probably because of alsa or something). It seems to me that the livna repo has the best media "use" tools (like xine, totem, ati-fglrx, etc) and the ccrma repo has the best media "creation" tools (like lsm kernel, pd, ardour, etc) and so if I get the two to play nice I will have the best of both worlds. Merci, gratze, danke, xia xia, -thewade From mista.tapas at gmx.net Wed Feb 15 17:21:28 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Wed Feb 15 17:21:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ingo molnar patch on mandriva's kernel In-Reply-To: <43F383C8.50008@rumoridifondo.com> References: <20060215182440.C3A6964DD79@music.columbia.edu> <43F383C8.50008@rumoridifondo.com> Message-ID: <20060215232128.0f810977@mango.fruits.de> On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:40:56 +0100 "emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.." wrote: > yes, mandriva has it's realtime kernel (the kernel multimedia) but i > still have xrun when i play soft-synth with a big chord and fast arpeggios. > > so i think that mandriva's kernel is not really patched with -rt. but > maybe it's just an error on configuring my computer or something wrong > with some hardware. The -rt patch is not a magic thing to make your computers have doubled cpu strength. I'd suggest a simple test of which the result would interest me.. Play one note, then play two at the same time, then three. And so on. Watch some cpu load program during this (gkrellm, gnome-system-monitor, top, htop, etc. come to my mind). Pretty much independent of the softsynth you use, the cpu load should go up when playing more and more voices. At some point in time your cpu just isn't fast enough anymore. I wonder whether this is what you're seeing. Just to clarify what the -rt patch actually does: Given that your hardware functions and your priorities in the system are setup correctly, you should be able to achieve ridicously low latency settings in jack. Keep in mind though, that this comes at a cost. The CPU overhead raises significantly depending on what software you use with shorter latencies (The cpu has to switch tasks much more often with small buffer sizes). The other advantage of a -rt kernel is that pretty much regardless of what latency setting you use you can almost guarantee that no xrun will ever happen, except for ones induced by faulty jack clients. So even for people without need for supershort latencies or even moderately short latencies (i.e. people who only want to record and do no live input->output processing), the irq priorization setup (and jackd) gives another level of safeness from xruns. On a vanilla kernel an IRQ can disrupt jack operation for pretty long times. Properly setup this cannot happen on a -rt system. About the setup of irq handlers: The chrt program usually comes in a package called schedutils. Look out for that or build it from source. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Feb 15 17:26:35 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Feb 15 17:23:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <20060215213216.GI501@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213013530.GC4739@linux-1> <1139795550.2739.57.camel@mindpipe> <20060214020433.GA4136@lug.udel.edu> <1139953320.15823.4.camel@eviltwin> <20060215054937.GA13112@lug.udel.edu> <1140036630.4142.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060215213216.GI501@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1140042395.4142.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 22:32 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Paul Davis hat gesagt: // Paul Davis wrote: > > > set_rtlimits, as i understand it, doesn't run its child process with RT > > scheduling, it makes it possible for its child (and grandchildren etc.) > > to successfully ask for RT scheduling. > > Well, not it's grandchildren, at least not in my tests. If I put only > /usr/bin/jackd in /etc/set_rtlimits.conf, then start "set_rtlimits -r > /usr/bin/jackd -R -d alsa -d hw:0", jackd runs with higher priority. > However if I then start ardour, it complains about not being able to > gain RT scheduling. a jack client and its libjack-created thread is in absolutely no way a child of jackd. --p From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Feb 15 17:23:56 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Feb 15 17:24:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060215141345.GA9266@slinkp.com> References: <20060213213349.GD3689@localhost.localdomain> <2006214231552.429793@winxp1> <20060215141345.GA9266@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <200602152223.57519.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 15 February 2006 14:13, Paul Winkler was like: > On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 11:15:52PM -0800, Ruben Lopez wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:33:50 +0100, Ismael Valladolid Torres was like: > > > Of course, the rest of their equipment at Abbey Road was top-class. > > > > So was the 4-track. > > Not to mention the engineering skill, the acoustics, > and oh yeah, the musicians ;-) Nah, the musicians were crap. ;p > What's amazing to me is that they didn't have access to an 8-track > until the White Album. Listen to something like > "I Am the Walrus" or "Tomorrow Never Knows" and imagine creating that on > a 4-track. Bounce, bounce, bounce ... bin there done that (something like, that is). Really makes me appreciate cut 'n' paste you know. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tito at rumford.de Wed Feb 15 18:10:02 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Wed Feb 15 18:09:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <200602152223.57519.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060213213349.GD3689@localhost.localdomain> <20060215141345.GA9266@slinkp.com> <200602152223.57519.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <200602160010.02155.tito@rumford.de> tim hall : > Bounce, bounce, bounce ... bin there done that (something > like, that is). Really makes me appreciate cut 'n' paste > you know. Now that'd be a nice poll: Who has old pre-computer tape stuff with at least three bounces and who'd be willing to, erm, share? Or should I say "attack"? -- Wolfgang From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 18:28:20 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Feb 15 18:28:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ingo molnar patch on mandriva's kernel In-Reply-To: <20060215190659.31313406F@joseph.doink.com> References: <1140027870.2733.42.camel@mindpipe> <20060215190659.31313406F@joseph.doink.com> Message-ID: On 2/16/06, Kevin Cosgrove wrote: > > On 15 February 2006 at 13:24, Lee Revell wrote: > > > Um, the -rt patch and the -ck patch are mutually exclusive. You want > > the -rt patch not the -ck patch. > > > > Why are you building your own kernel, there should be precompiled -rt > > kernel packages for every distro by now. > > I'm running Mandrake 10.1 on my current music machine, and Mandriva > 2006.0 on the machine I'll use for music in the future. Those > machines run Mandr* kernel versions 2.6.7-1.mm_3kc.7mdk-i686-up-4GB > and 2.6.12-12mdksmp, respectively. In the /boot/config* files of > those machines I see this: > > CONFIG_SECURITY_REALTIME=m > > for some kernels, namely the "mm" optional kernels. Is this enough > to conclude that those kernels make use of the -rt patch? If not, > then I'm having one heck of a time finding -rt + Mandrake/Mandriva > info on the web. Any pointers would be appreciated. For what it's > worth, I'm getting pretty good music performance with ardour & jack > on the 2.6.7 machine. I haven't tried yet with the 2.6.12 machine. > > Is there a kernel version that begins to include the -rt patch by > default? If so, what's the oldest version like that? > > Thanks much... > > -- > Kevin I use mandriva 2006 and a self compiled rt kernel. Though currently I can't get the RT kernel to run well on my hardware (x86_64) so i'm stuck with the MM kernels. I can get quite decent latency though. Loki From brad at sonaural.com Wed Feb 15 18:29:21 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Wed Feb 15 18:30:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <200602160010.02155.tito@rumford.de> References: <20060213213349.GD3689@localhost.localdomain> <20060215141345.GA9266@slinkp.com> <200602152223.57519.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200602160010.02155.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <43F3B951.2080309@sonaural.com> Wolfgang Woehl wrote: >> Bounce, bounce, bounce ... bin there done that (something >> like, that is). Really makes me appreciate cut 'n' paste >> you know. >> > Now that'd be a nice poll: Who has old pre-computer tape stuff > with at least three bounces and who'd be willing to, erm, > share? Or should I say "attack"? > share? Swap tapes? My first work was on Ampex 300s. First 4-track stuff was on Ampex440 which I recorded my jazz quartet... not many bounces though... and I can't remember that far back. Heck, I'd have to dig out the tapes... if I can find them. Later I upgraded to MM1000 woohoo! (and, at times, even edited the 2" tape). Lots of bounces when recording for commercials (especially when there are 4-5 tracks for just drums.) (Later worked with other machines like the MCI and Studer. I like the Ampex ATR1 but it was fickle.) We are lucky that we don't have to calibrate our software every morning. brad From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 18:36:32 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Feb 15 18:36:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ingo molnar patch on mandriva's kernel In-Reply-To: References: <1140027870.2733.42.camel@mindpipe> <20060215190659.31313406F@joseph.doink.com> Message-ID: On 2/16/06, Loki Davison wrote: > On 2/16/06, Kevin Cosgrove wrote: > > > > On 15 February 2006 at 13:24, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > Um, the -rt patch and the -ck patch are mutually exclusive. You want > > > the -rt patch not the -ck patch. > > > > > > Why are you building your own kernel, there should be precompiled -rt > > > kernel packages for every distro by now. > > > > I'm running Mandrake 10.1 on my current music machine, and Mandriva > > 2006.0 on the machine I'll use for music in the future. Those > > machines run Mandr* kernel versions 2.6.7-1.mm_3kc.7mdk-i686-up-4GB > > and 2.6.12-12mdksmp, respectively. In the /boot/config* files of > > those machines I see this: > > > > CONFIG_SECURITY_REALTIME=m > > > > for some kernels, namely the "mm" optional kernels. Is this enough > > to conclude that those kernels make use of the -rt patch? If not, > > then I'm having one heck of a time finding -rt + Mandrake/Mandriva > > info on the web. Any pointers would be appreciated. For what it's > > worth, I'm getting pretty good music performance with ardour & jack > > on the 2.6.7 machine. I haven't tried yet with the 2.6.12 machine. > > > > Is there a kernel version that begins to include the -rt patch by > > default? If so, what's the oldest version like that? > > > > Thanks much... > > > > -- > > Kevin > > I use mandriva 2006 and a self compiled rt kernel. Though currently I > can't get the RT kernel to run well on my hardware (x86_64) so i'm > stuck with the MM kernels. I can get quite decent latency though. > > Loki > replying to myself..... you need to compile schedutils from source, no package seems to exist. Loki From kevinc at doink.com Wed Feb 15 18:40:30 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Wed Feb 15 18:40:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ingo molnar patch on mandriva's kernel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060215234031.6AFD2407F@joseph.doink.com> On 16 February 2006 at 10:28, Loki Davison wrote: > I use mandriva 2006 and a self compiled rt kernel. Though > currently I can't get the RT kernel to run well on my hardware > (x86_64) so i'm stuck with the MM kernels. I can get quite > decent latency though. My MDV2006 machine is also x86_64. In my case Athlon dual-core, 4400+ I just reinstalled it two weeks ago, upgrading to the December Club 2006 edition. I haven't moved any of my music gear to it yet, wanting to prove the machine functional first. I suspect that I'll run into the dual-core clock source timing issue, where everything will work fine for a while, then at random times the machine will spew xruns like mad. This machine runs jack 0.100 and a 2.6.12 kernel. I don't think either of those works around the dual-core bug yet. Although I've heard that the jack folks are trying to get that to work. It took a bit of work to make my Celeron system work nicely for audio. It's running Mandrake 10.1. What advice can you give us on setting up a 64-bit Makdriva machine? Thanks.... -- Kevin From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Feb 15 20:48:33 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Feb 15 20:48:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: alsa-seq. does not start In-Reply-To: <43F304BA.4080200@branwelt.de> References: <589372056.20060215122947@okonsar.com> <43F304BA.4080200@branwelt.de> Message-ID: > modprobe snd-seq That worked for me too. Do echo "modprobe snd-seq" >> /etc/modules.conf to load the sequencer automatically on boot. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Feb 15 20:52:40 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Feb 15 21:10:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Ann] Shelljam 0.0.2 MIDI keyboard Message-ID: Hi, Announcing Shelljam version 0.0.2. Shelljam is a way of playing electronic music live using standard computer hardware. It is implemented in C++ using fast portable libraries. It is designed to be suitable for live performance and studio work. http://shelljam.sourceforge.net Thanks! Carlo From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Wed Feb 15 21:12:39 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Wed Feb 15 21:12:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] das_watchdog 0.1.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry for all the announcements. I think I got it right now. ;-) I have fixed up the compilation problems, corrected the DISPLAY environment variable, and let both the program and makefile give warning/error if the softirq-timer/0 or ksoftirqd/0 processes aren't set to have highest priority. It might still not work, but at least you get a message about /why/ it doesn't work, and what you can do to fix it. (Running "chrt -f -p 99 `ps -A |grep softirq-timer/0 |awk '{print $1}'`" for all processors (change the "0" in "softirq-timer/0" for each additional processor) is probably a good tip to make it work.) REQUIREMENTS ------------ xmessage (should be a part of X11) libgtop2 (should be a part gnome. No, das_watchdog is not a gnome-program.) CHANGES ------- 0.1.0->0.1.2 * Added check for the ksoftrqd/0 process as well as the softirq-timer/0 process. * Added check for SCHED_OTHER of the timing process as well as priority. * Removed debug-printing. * Added extensive checks both when compiling and when running about the priority of the "softirq-timer/0" process: - ***If "softirq-timer/0" is not set to a very high priority (99), the watchdog most probably will not work.*** - The default priority for softirq-timer/0 seems to be 1. However, for real time work, it must be set higher to get reliable timing. Set it to 99. - If softirq-timer/0 is set to less than 99, das_watchdog will refuse to compile unless you force it to by editing the makefile. When running das_watchdog, it will only give a warning if the priority is set too low. * Changed the DISPLAY environment variable to ":0.0" instead of "localhost:0.0". Seems to work for everyone now. * Switched from libgtop to libgtop2. Download from http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ From groups at xscd.com Wed Feb 15 21:44:49 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Wed Feb 15 21:44:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060215004349.1166d343@gavmusic.gavmusic> References: <20060213013751.1F1675F4F49@music.columbia.edu> <20060215004349.1166d343@gavmusic.gavmusic> Message-ID: <20060216024449.GB5018@xscd.com> On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 12:43:49AM +0000, Gavin Stevens wrote: > Hi Steve, > Arabesque is an excellent piece. I would love to play it. > Gavin. --- Hello Gavin. :-) Thank you very much for the compliment! I hope to have a score ready in a few weeks (in PDF form, notated using LilyPond), at which time it will be uploaded to the directory at my webspace that contains the few other scores I have created: http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/scores__notation/ I'll send a note to you when the score is complete. Thank you very much for your interest. Some time I would love to hear a recording of someone else (a better pianist--my hands are very small and fingers short, with barely an octave's reach) playing one of my pieces. Best wishes, Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- There is no monument dedicated to the memory of a committee. -Lester J. Pourciau ---------------------------------------------------------------- From ross at lug.udel.edu Wed Feb 15 21:47:00 2006 From: ross at lug.udel.edu (Ross Vandegrift) Date: Wed Feb 15 21:47:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <1140036630.4142.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213013530.GC4739@linux-1> <1139795550.2739.57.camel@mindpipe> <20060214020433.GA4136@lug.udel.edu> <1139953320.15823.4.camel@eviltwin> <20060215054937.GA13112@lug.udel.edu> <1140036630.4142.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060216024700.GA10949@lug.udel.edu> On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 03:50:30PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > set_rtlimits, as i understand it, doesn't run its child process with RT > scheduling, it makes it possible for its child (and grandchildren etc.) > to successfully ask for RT scheduling. Ok, now I have to run an experiment. Someone posted earlier in the thread that the set_rlimits properites do not inherit to child processes of the set_rlimits'ed application. I was very suprised to hear that was the case (very un-Unixy), and will need to figure out. The best possible solution I can imagine is easy as pie then - anyone in group "realtime" (or whatever) can run their window manager with set_rlimits. Boom. Magically, everything and anything run as an appropriate user gets RT scheduling if it wants. Even better - if set_rlimits will still run an app that doesn't have RT permissions (but maybe throw a warning), you can just run X with that ability and not have to worry about users having to modify their X session. See ssh-add for a real-world example of something like this (though it uses environment variables, not limits of any kind). -- Ross Vandegrift ross@lug.udel.edu "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell." --St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37 From gkjoyce at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 22:23:43 2006 From: gkjoyce at gmail.com (Greg) Date: Wed Feb 15 22:23:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ardour zipper / buffer noise ua 25 Message-ID: Dearest List, I'm trying to record in ardour on demudi 1.2.1. When I try to record I get this zipperish noise. it sounds to me like some sort of buffer noise. I am using a UA 25, full duplex 24 bit 44.1khz I played around with jack settings a little bit but i'm not sure if that's what i'm trying to tweak or something else. From ross at lug.udel.edu Thu Feb 16 03:07:37 2006 From: ross at lug.udel.edu (Ross Vandegrift) Date: Thu Feb 16 03:07:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <20060216024700.GA10949@lug.udel.edu> References: <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213013530.GC4739@linux-1> <1139795550.2739.57.camel@mindpipe> <20060214020433.GA4136@lug.udel.edu> <1139953320.15823.4.camel@eviltwin> <20060215054937.GA13112@lug.udel.edu> <1140036630.4142.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060216024700.GA10949@lug.udel.edu> Message-ID: <20060216080737.GA19300@lug.udel.edu> On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 09:47:00PM -0500, Ross Vandegrift wrote: > Ok, now I have to run an experiment. Experiment is done. rlimits properly inherit with set_rlimits. Granting RT privileges to any program I run is easy and transparent: 1) I added a line to set_rlimits.conf allowing anyone in the group audio to run my window manager with RT abilities: @audio /usr/local/enlightenment/bin/enlightenment nice=-1 rtprio=80 memlock=67108864 2) I changed my .xsession to run the window manager with set_rlimits: exec /usr/local/bin/set_rlimits -k /usr/local/enlightenment/bin/enlightenment The -k to set_rlimits is an option I added to continue even if realtime privileges cannot be setup. I did this so if I ever take myself out of the audio group, I will still be able to login to my Xsession. Patch is below. It's now just a bit more work to take the patch set_rlimits and edit the system-wide display manager to invoke any users session with set_rlimits. Then, any user can take advantage of this without modifying their config files. diff -ur set_rlimits-1.2.0/set_rlimits.c set_rlimits/set_rlimits.c --- set_rlimits-1.2.0/set_rlimits.c 2005-12-20 06:37:35.000000000 -0500 +++ set_rlimits/set_rlimits.c 2006-02-16 02:04:34.000000000 -0500 @@ -98,6 +98,7 @@ signed int debug = 0; signed int verbose = 0; +signed int cont = 0; /* rlimits for process */ Rlimits rlimits = { @@ -123,6 +124,7 @@ "Available options:\n" " -d Turn on additional debugging output.\n" " -h Display this help message.\n" + " -k Continue running program even if there's an error.\n" " -n[=] Set nice limit to . Values 0 to 39 equate to nice\n" " levels 19 to -20 respectively.\n" " -r[=] Set realtime priority limit to . Max available is\n" @@ -216,6 +218,9 @@ debug = 1; break; case 'h': err = -1; break; + case 'k': + cont = 1; + break; case 'v': if (argv[i][2]!=0) err = -1; @@ -632,10 +637,14 @@ return -1; } /* No matching entry - permission denied */ - if (!match) { + if (!match && !cont) { fprintf(stderr,"set_rlimits: no permission to run %s with elevated resource limits\n", *exec_path); return 0; + } else if (!match && cont) { + fprintf(stderr,"set_rlimits: no permission to run %s with elevated resource limits\n", + *exec_path); + fprintf(stderr,"set_rlimits: continuing anyway, as requested...\n"); } if (debug) { -- Ross Vandegrift ross@lug.udel.edu "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell." --St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37 From ed at lowtech.org Thu Feb 16 06:49:04 2006 From: ed at lowtech.org (Ed Carter) Date: Thu Feb 16 06:49:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] open submission website + l.o.s.s cd Message-ID: <43F466B0.6040001@lowtech.org> Hi everyone I thought this might be of interest - sorry if you've already seen it thanks ed [Apologies for cross-posting, please circulate where appropriate.] http://loss.access-space.org The l.o.s.s project promotes and supports the use of free, open source music software, in conjunction with Creative Commons (CC) licensing which accepts and encourages sharing. As well as a CD of curated work (also available for free download), the project's online presence is intended to become a focal point for artists working with open source software, and releasing their work through CC licenses. Please visit the website for details of how to contribute tracks. The aim of the project was not to portray any kind of 'open source' sound, but to offer an array of some of the interesting work people are creating with what is available. The result is an incredibly diverse compilation of internationally renowned artists, encompassing electronica, soundscapes, hiphop and electro-acoustic amongst other styles. Contributions for the CD include work by Nullpointer, Ava, Edge Effect, Jake Harries, Collective Motion, Panayiotis Kokoras, DJ Auto, Chaos Butterfly, Slub, Minimal Turntablist Crew and Elektronengehirn. Even the artwork was produced using open source techniques by Matt Gray (Ava), and the album was mastered at Mirror Image Studios in Minneapolis, again, using the Linux operating system and libre software. The project is run by the registered charity Access Space, a free media lab based in Sheffield, promoting open source software and using recycled hardware. More info, and downloads of more open source music, visit: http://www.loss.access-space.org From conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de Thu Feb 16 07:08:11 2006 From: conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de (conrad =?iso-8859-1?q?berh=F6rster?=) Date: Thu Feb 16 07:10:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] asoundrc and aplay Message-ID: <200602161308.12643.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Hello all, i'm want to use the asoundrc for my music production. I've read the docs under http://alsa.opensrc.org/. While testing the funktionality, i came into the first problem. when trying the examples. if i try aplay test.wav everything went fine. but after aplay -D hw:0,0 test.wav or aplay -D hw:1,0 test.wav // this is the onboard soundcard i get Playing WAVE 'test.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Mono aplay: set_params:901: Channels count non available and no sound will be played googling doesn't really enlightened me. any hints ? sizu c~ BTW: is there a way to search the LAU archive. Haven't found that. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Feb 16 07:58:05 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Feb 16 07:31:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ardour zipper / buffer noise ua 25 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43F476DD.6050108@woh.rr.com> Greg wrote: >I'm trying to record in ardour on demudi 1.2.1. When I try to record >I get this zipperish noise. it sounds to me like some sort of buffer >noise. I am using a UA 25, full duplex 24 bit 44.1khz I played >around with jack settings a little bit but i'm not sure if that's what >i'm trying to tweak or something else. > > Hi Greg: A couple things come to mind. First, there've been some patches recently added to Ardour 0.99 that deal with noise issues, you might want to upgrfade to the latest version. Second, make sure that all non-essential channels are turned down or off in your software mixer. My CD drive makes a terrible amount of noise in its idle state, so it's always turned off until I need it. Does the zipper noise occur when you move your mouse ? Cheap cables can also be a noise source. Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Feb 16 08:10:41 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Feb 16 07:44:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060216024449.GB5018@xscd.com> References: <20060213013751.1F1675F4F49@music.columbia.edu> <20060215004349.1166d343@gavmusic.gavmusic> <20060216024449.GB5018@xscd.com> Message-ID: <43F479D1.1010203@woh.rr.com> Steve D wrote: [re: Arabesque] >... I hope to have a score >ready in a few weeks (in PDF form, notated using LilyPond), at which >time it will be uploaded to the directory at my webspace that contains >the few other scores I have created: > >http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/scores__notation/ > > Cool. If you don't mind I might take a swing at arranging Arabesque for two guitars. Please advise if that's kosher with you. >Some time I would love to hear a recording of someone else (a better >pianist--my hands are very small and fingers short, with barely an >octave's reach) playing one of my pieces. > > I noticed your birth date on the score. You're a year younger than me. One of the reasons I want to get my pieces scored is because I simply can't play them anymore, not like I used to. I have a hope that perhaps a performing classical guitarist will pick them up, and I plan to enter them in whatever contests or competitions are appropriate. Btw, is LilyPond not the shiznitz ?! I'm just amazed at the results I'm getting. I've been placing some stuff here if you're interested : http://linux-sound.org/dlp-music-lilypond/ That page is the first in a series of pages I'm planning to demonstrate Linux audio software, i.e., sequencing, notation, hard-disk recording, etc. Hopefully I'll soon get some of my piano music notated and put up there too. Thanks for your music, Steve. It's always good stuff. :) Best, dp From jh at brainiac.com Thu Feb 16 09:25:12 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Thu Feb 16 09:25:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ardour zipper / buffer noise ua 25 In-Reply-To: <43F476DD.6050108@woh.rr.com> References: <43F476DD.6050108@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060216092512.2adc716b.jh@brainiac.com> On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:58:05 -0500 Dave Phillips wrote: > A couple things come to mind. First, there've been some patches > recently added to Ardour 0.99 that deal with noise issues, you might > want to upgrfade to the latest version. Actually, there was a bug introduced in 0.99.1 that causes this zipper noise when using some plugins. If you're on 0.99.1, try disabling plugins during recording, and if it's still a problem, fall back to 0.99. The developers plan a 0.99.2 release very soon. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From lconrad at laymusic.org Thu Feb 16 09:44:16 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Thu Feb 16 09:44:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <43F479D1.1010203@woh.rr.com> (Dave Phillips's message of "Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:10:41 -0500") References: <20060213013751.1F1675F4F49@music.columbia.edu> <20060215004349.1166d343@gavmusic.gavmusic> <20060216024449.GB5018@xscd.com> <43F479D1.1010203@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <87k6bvjrcv.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "DP" == Dave Phillips writes: DP> Btw, is LilyPond not the shiznitz ?! I'm just amazed at the results DP> I'm getting. Lilypond is indeed wonderful, and whenever I look at the output of anything else, I can't imagine switching. However, I really wish someone could encourage them to get a development model that's a little friendlier to large projects. The problem is that the current resources don't get the features tested in a current release cycle, so a lot of things that worked on the last release are always broken on this release. In addition, they keep fiddling with the input syntax, so you can't count on being able to use the new features of this release on the files you coded on the last release. So if what you do is typeset a piece on a rainy afternoon and never touch it again, lilypond is wonderful. (This is how the chief developer uses it.) If you're trying to typeset the complete works of John Dowland over the course of a decade, it can be very frustrating. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From clemens at ladisch.de Thu Feb 16 09:53:48 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu Feb 16 09:54:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] asoundrc and aplay In-Reply-To: <200602161308.12643.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> References: <200602161308.12643.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20060216145348.GA11024@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> conrad berh?rster wrote: > i'm want to use the asoundrc for my music production. Why? What do you want to do that does not work with the default configuration? > if i try > aplay test.wav > everything went fine. but after > aplay -D hw:0,0 test.wav > i get > Playing WAVE 'test.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Mono > aplay: set_params:901: Channels count non available "hw" goes directly to the hardware, without automatic sample format conversion. Your hardware cannot play mono data. HTH Clemens From groups at xscd.com Thu Feb 16 11:02:08 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Thu Feb 16 11:02:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <43F479D1.1010203@woh.rr.com> References: <20060213013751.1F1675F4F49@music.columbia.edu> <20060215004349.1166d343@gavmusic.gavmusic> <20060216024449.GB5018@xscd.com> <43F479D1.1010203@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060216160208.GP4104@xscd.com> On Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 08:10:41AM -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > Steve D wrote: > [re: Arabesque] > >... I hope to have a score > >ready in a few weeks [...] > >http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/scores__notation/ > Cool. If you don't mind I might take a swing at arranging Arabesque for > two guitars. Please advise if that's kosher with you. That's fine with me, David. In fact it's flattering when someone else think's highly enough of one's creative product to want to something with it him- or herself. My audio and notated music is released under a very liberal Creative Commons license. People can do whatever they like with it. It would be great to see a score or hear a two-guitar performance of the piece, if you do decide to do that. > I noticed your birth date on the score. You're a year younger than me. > One of the reasons I want to get my pieces scored is because I simply > can't play them anymore, not like I used to. I have a backlog of pieces I have composed over the years, and now at 54 I'm thinking of re-visiting them, revising them, recording and notating them just to "get them out there" should anyone be interested, and in case I suddenly drop dead of a heart attack tomorrow (or whenever). ;-) > Btw, is LilyPond not the shiznitz ?! I'm just amazed at the results I'm > getting. I've been placing some stuff here if you're interested : > > http://linux-sound.org/dlp-music-lilypond/ Yes, LilyPond is fantastic. I love it. I used to use Finale, but once I got used to LilyPond's text-entry method of notating, I realized I like it better than graphical entry for some reason. Your pieces look great. I see that in Umeko you used the \set tieWaitForNote feature. I happily sponsored (financially) the development of that feature in LilyPond last year (I needed it for written-out arpeggios which are tied to a following chord), and sponsored further development and improvement of the tie code this year. Ties are looking very nice in LilyPond nowadays, and it feels good to support such a worthy project (one of numerous worthy open-source projects). Best wishes, Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 ---------------------------------------------------------------- From fbar at footils.org Thu Feb 16 11:14:35 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Feb 16 11:14:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, In-Reply-To: <20060215225156.55be3e20@mango.fruits.de> References: <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213013530.GC4739@linux-1> <1139795550.2739.57.camel@mindpipe> <20060214020433.GA4136@lug.udel.edu> <1139953320.15823.4.camel@eviltwin> <20060215054937.GA13112@lug.udel.edu> <1140036630.4142.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060215213216.GI501@fliwatut.scifi> <20060215225156.55be3e20@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <20060216161435.GE7824@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Florian Schmidt hat gesagt: // Florian Schmidt wrote: > Well, actually ardour is not a child process of jackd at all. It's a > seperate programm communicating through a library with jackd. I stand corrected and hide under a rock... Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From ivalladt at punkass.com Thu Feb 16 08:52:51 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Feb 16 11:20:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.15.4, realtime-lsm, jackd -R, system performance down! In-Reply-To: <1139866405.3202.83.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060212163202.GB2847@localhost.localdomain> <8e6f94720602121718i28e6c0cej78ebe6c8acfa232d@mail.gmail.com> <20060213014400.GD4739@linux-1> <20060213120852.GC6640@localhost.localdomain> <1139853692.3202.13.camel@mindpipe> <20060213212844.GA3689@localhost.localdomain> <1139866405.3202.83.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060216135251.GB7127@localhost.localdomain> Lee Revell escribe: > On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 22:28 +0100, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > Clearly this is my problem. If I tell jackd not to lock memory at all, > > then applications open succesfully even if in realtime mode > > but... xruns are back! > > > > This definitely indicates that there is memory pressure, so getting more > would be the way to go. I'm interested as to whether the stack size > change is enough though. It's not. Yes, zynaddsubfx or horgand load faster, but they kill the qjackctl anyway. I think I'll leave the setting but thinking of getting more memory anyway. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From ivalladt at punkass.com Wed Feb 15 10:15:28 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Feb 16 11:21:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <20060213221725.GC5285@linux-1> References: <20060213184731.GB4245@xscd.com> <20060213193242.81839.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060213200419.GG4245@xscd.com> <20060213213151.GC3689@localhost.localdomain> <20060213221725.GC5285@linux-1> Message-ID: <20060215151527.GF11589@localhost.localdomain> fons adriaensen escribe: > And don't underestimate the musician. Never that! :) Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From ivalladt at punkass.com Wed Feb 15 10:10:02 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Feb 16 11:22:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Newbie alert. Realtime knowledge stuff In-Reply-To: <43F10114.5050806@sonaural.com> References: <20060212194159.BCD6E5ECBA4@music.columbia.edu> <1139785433.19342.309.camel@mindpipe> <20060213090442.GA6995@fliwatut.scifi> <1139844649.25747.51.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060213213017.GB3689@localhost.localdomain> <43F10114.5050806@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <20060215151001.GD11589@localhost.localdomain> Brad Fuller escribe: > Or, does everyone here roll-their-own? (sheesss.. does that phrase show > my age?) Roll-over-Beethoven would. ;) Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From ivalladt at punkass.com Thu Feb 16 09:34:16 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Feb 16 11:25:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music In-Reply-To: <200602160010.02155.tito@rumford.de> References: <20060213213349.GD3689@localhost.localdomain> <20060215141345.GA9266@slinkp.com> <200602152223.57519.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200602160010.02155.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <20060216143416.GD7127@localhost.localdomain> Wolfgang Woehl escribe: > tim hall : > > > Bounce, bounce, bounce ... bin there done that (something > > like, that is). Really makes me appreciate cut 'n' paste > > you know. > > Now that'd be a nice poll: Who has old pre-computer tape stuff > with at least three bounces and who'd be willing to, erm, > share? Or should I say "attack"? > I don't have but I don't discard ending having if prices at eBay keep falling. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From ivalladt at punkass.com Thu Feb 16 11:44:16 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Feb 16 11:44:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CCRMA and yum In-Reply-To: <1139969265.23752.46.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <20060214170223.idf55f46osw4cwk8@moon.aproximation.org> <43F28030.5030807@sonaural.com> <20060214174045.s57g9zfr400kgkgw@moon.aproximation.org> <1139969265.23752.46.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20060216164416.GA11290@localhost.localdomain> Fernando Lopez-Lezcano escribe: > So far all packages are only built for i386... Buaaaaaaaaaaah! :'( Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Feb 16 12:05:02 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Feb 16 12:05:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: asoundrc and aplay In-Reply-To: <200602161308.12643.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> References: <200602161308.12643.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: Hi Conrad, I've only seen .asoundrc used so far for the dmix plugin, and it always relied on the 'default' output device. Please also keep in mind asoundrc is considered 'consumer level' by many who use Jack. > googling doesn't really enlightened me. any hints ? Maybe he can enlighten you :) http://www.wakeuplaughing.com/ > BTW: is there a way to search the LAU archive. Haven't found that. Try this: http://search.gmane.org/ Carlo From conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de Thu Feb 16 12:23:41 2006 From: conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de (conrad =?iso-8859-1?q?berh=F6rster?=) Date: Thu Feb 16 12:26:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] asoundrc and aplay In-Reply-To: <20060216145348.GA11024@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <200602161308.12643.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <20060216145348.GA11024@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <200602161823.42465.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Hallo Clemens, Am Donnerstag 16 Februar 2006 15:53 schrieb Clemens Ladisch: > conrad berh?rster wrote: > > i'm want to use the asoundrc for my music production. > > Why? What do you want to do that does not work with the default > configuration? well, i have 2 soundcards and want to capture from both at the same time with jack. i don't need sample sync (or such bad things ;=) ) only need the signal, each channel individual but into one app, i have written. > > > if i try > > aplay test.wav > > everything went fine. but after > > aplay -D hw:0,0 test.wav > > i get > > Playing WAVE 'test.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, > > Mono aplay: set_params:901: Channels count non available > > "hw" goes directly to the hardware, without automatic sample format > conversion. Your hardware cannot play mono data. > Well, how can i obtain a special channel. i thought hw:0,0 means first card, first channel. is this a general misunderstanding. thanks c~ > > HTH > Clemens From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Feb 16 13:39:09 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Feb 16 13:36:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] asoundrc and aplay In-Reply-To: <200602161823.42465.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> References: <200602161308.12643.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <20060216145348.GA11024@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> <200602161823.42465.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1140115149.4241.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 18:23 +0100, conrad berh?rster wrote: > well, i have 2 soundcards and want to capture from both at the same time with > jack. no, actually you only think you want this. this is not the multichannel setup you want Hi all, sorry for cross posting, but I found the following info very interesting when discussing about USB 1.1 vs. USB 2.0 stuff. Some of us (including me) would like to see a USB 2.0 breakout box which grants more than 2x2 channels while using a standard USB 2.0 protocol. Bruce Wahler politely agreed to spread his info to our lists, so all credits go to Bruce. ce ---------- ---------- Subject: OT -- USB History Date: Donnerstag, 16. Februar 2006 18:12 From: Bruce Wahler To: access-list@ampfea.org Hi All, [Warning: This post has little to do with the Virus TI per se. It might be of interest to some of you, though.] I was involved in the early USB efforts, working for a major PC manufacturer. The 3-tier speed approach of USB is a confusing -- and necessary -- part of the design. Early USB appealed to two groups: 1) manufacturers who wanted to simple, cheap way to untangle the rat's nest of wires that were growing behind computers; and 2) developers who wanted a better, more flexible connection than serial and parallel ports provided. In addition, the creators of USB had this grand vision of "USB everything": kitchen appliances, phones, televisions, you name it. USB attempts to satisfy all of these needs, but the goals of different markets are sometimes at odds with each other. Devices like mice can't afford to add even $1.00-2.00USD of product cost, because their customer base won't accept the price increase. On the other end, there's no such a thing as "too fast" for disk drives and networks. USB 1.0 (and 1.1) came out with Low- and Full-Speed specifications to try to bridge the needs of these two camps. Same connectors, same (or similar) cables, same hardware at the host (computer) end; all of the higher-speed functions had to be a layer on top of the basic ones. At the time of USB 1.0 (1995), the practical limit for cables and such was considered to be somewhere in the range of 10-15Mbit/sec. This wasn't a PHYSICAL limitation; it was governed by the cost of hardware (cables, connectors, ICs, etc.) compared to the amount of data being sent (<1GB). Unfortunately, USB 1.x took several years to gain acceptance. (PCs had the USB ports back in 1995, but there were no real peripherals nor OS support for 3-4 more years. One of my bosses used to refer to it as the "Useless Serial Bus.") By the USB really took hold (2000? 2004?), there were enough advances in technology and manufacturing to up the speed a great deal. Add to that the need to transfer more data, and the fear that FireWire would eclipse USB, and "Hi-Speed USB" was born. Hi-Speed USB follows the same rules as USB 1.0: faster protocols must work around the limits of slower ones, so nothing becomes truly obsolete. This is why a 12Mbit/sec Virus TI is still "USB 2 compliant." Some important things to know about Hi-Speed USB: 1. The GUARANTEED cable length is shorter (5m vs. 2m). With a quality cable, you might run further, but there's no whining if it doesn't work. This certainly limits the ability to use the Virus TI as both a recording platform and a performance synth at the same time. 2. Raw bandwidth numbers of Hi-Speed USB are deceptive. (This is also true of FireWire.) While the cable and ICs can support 480Mbit/sec., it takes great drivers, proper interrupt selection, and a relatively unused computer to use that bandwidth. Otherwise, it's a game of "hurry-up-and-wait." Sharing USB with slower devices also clouds the picture. 3. USB 2.0 enhancements focused on data storage. There weren't any high-speed audio extensions added. If Access had wanted to use 480Mbit USB audio, they would have had to develop and support it from scratch -- on both the Mac and PC. So, it's not just a case of adding a little product cost; it's a large development and testing challenge, too. Why weren't there audio extensions? Probably because the two "official" audio uses for USB -- Internet phones and digital USB audio -- didn't need them. The first one is fine with 12Mbit/sec, and the second one never really caught on. 4. The USB specifications were mostly written by big companies like Microsoft, IBM, Intel, and Compaq. They sunk a lot of resources into USB, and so their needs took top priority. None of those companies is known for professional audio gear -- they're computer companies, and USB audio was and still is a bit of an afterthought. (Quick: Name me one 'major' US PC manufacturer who sells a true MPC in their standard line? Anyone?) So, why not add the hardware (ICs) now, and write the OS support later? The approach rarely works, IMHO. Even in the computer industry, known for technology advances, hardware that is unused at product launch often remains forever unused. Why? Remember the old adage, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" ? Well, updating software or firmware requires breaking that rule. And anyone who's written software will tell you that bugs crop up in the strangest places. While the updates are cool, there's often very little evidence that the efforts resulted in big sales increases. Thus, a small company like Access must be choosy when planning product updates. Regards, -BW -- Bruce Wahler Design Consultant Ashby Solutions? http://consult.ashbysolutions.com 978.386.7389 voice/fax bruce@ashbysolutions.com _______________________________________________ access-list mailing list access-list@ampfea.org http://www.ampfea.org/mailman/listinfo/access-list <--- SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE DETAILS HERE Patches: http://www.ampfea.org/cool/stuff/access-list ------------------------------------------------------- From reuben.m at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 14:47:30 2006 From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin) Date: Thu Feb 16 14:47:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] asoundrc and aplay In-Reply-To: <200602161823.42465.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> References: <200602161308.12643.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <20060216145348.GA11024@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> <200602161823.42465.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: On 2/16/06, conrad berh?rster wrote: > Well, how can i obtain a special channel. i thought hw:0,0 means first card, > first channel. is this a general misunderstanding. hw:0,0 means first card, first subdevice. > > thanks c~ > > > > > HTH > > Clemens > From arnold.krille at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 16:14:57 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Thu Feb 16 16:15:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: asoundrc and aplay In-Reply-To: <200602161823.42465.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> References: <200602161308.12643.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <20060216145348.GA11024@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> <200602161823.42465.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: <2def88b80602161314j15224008m@mail.gmail.com> 2006/2/16, conrad berh?rster : > well, i have 2 soundcards and want to capture from both at the same time > with > jack. i don't need sample sync (or such bad things ;=) ) only need the > signal, each channel individual but into one app, i have written. Two explain Pauls Jedi-magic: If you use jack, you want sample-sync. If you don't want sample-sync and just want to record two independent streams into your software (assuming you don't want to use it for music[*]) you just have to open both sounddevices the alsa way and process according to the alsa-interface. [*] If you want to do music with it, you want sample-sync... Enough things have been said about way two soundcards without syncing can't be used as one multichannel device, so I won't repeat it here. I just want to add another trick I learned from my hardware-dealer who syncs ISDN-cards: Maybe its not enough to just couple their clocks, they also change the driver to mask the IRQ's from the slave cards and just react on the master-IRQ and then the driver automaticly proccesses the data on all cards. Speaking in the audio-speach of el-cheapo-multichannel: It's not enough to solder the crystals together, there may be a need to modifiy the driver. Of course this would make a new soundcard out of it which exposes its multi-channels to jack directly through the alsa-interface, no need for .asoundrc-fiddling... I haven't tested that but I think if it works for ISDN-cards it should work with soundcards too. Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Feb 16 17:45:56 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Feb 16 17:42:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: asoundrc and aplay In-Reply-To: <2def88b80602161314j15224008m@mail.gmail.com> References: <200602161308.12643.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <20060216145348.GA11024@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> <200602161823.42465.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <2def88b80602161314j15224008m@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1140129956.4777.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 22:14 +0100, Arnold Krille wrote: > I just want to add another trick I learned from my hardware-dealer who > syncs ISDN-cards: Maybe its not enough to just couple their clocks, > they also change the driver to mask the IRQ's from the slave cards and > just react on the master-IRQ and then the driver automaticly > proccesses the data on all cards. thats a very cool idea. i wish i had the time to add that to the RME hammerfall/hdsp/madi drivers because they can all have IRQ's disabled or enabled. you could then load the driver with an option to disable IRQs for all but the first card. nice. --p From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Feb 16 18:22:58 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Thu Feb 16 18:23:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: asoundrc and aplay In-Reply-To: <1140129956.4777.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200602161308.12643.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <20060216145348.GA11024@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> <200602161823.42465.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <2def88b80602161314j15224008m@mail.gmail.com> <1140129956.4777.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060217002258.4371c1dc@mango.fruits.de> On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:45:56 -0500 Paul Davis wrote: > On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 22:14 +0100, Arnold Krille wrote: > > I just want to add another trick I learned from my hardware-dealer who > > syncs ISDN-cards: Maybe its not enough to just couple their clocks, > > they also change the driver to mask the IRQ's from the slave cards and > > just react on the master-IRQ and then the driver automaticly > > proccesses the data on all cards. > > thats a very cool idea. i wish i had the time to add that to the RME > hammerfall/hdsp/madi drivers because they can all have IRQ's disabled or > enabled. you could then load the driver with an option to disable IRQs > for all but the first card. nice. One would need to ensure that the start/stop time of the cards is right in sync in the first place no? After that, if properly sample synced everything is fine. I don't know how the hw works, but i imagine it has a "pointer" into a sample buffer where it puts each new sampled value (and another buffer with another "pointer" where it reads from, etc pp). These "pointers" need to have an offset as small as possible between two cards, ideally it would be 0 (So that in a sense, if both cards still generated interrupts, they would happen at the exact same moment). I always wondered about this part of ALSA. How do you start/stop soundcards at the exact same moment? Does stuff like the multi or whatwasitsname ALSA pcm plugin care about this? Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Thu Feb 16 18:50:26 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Thu Feb 16 18:50:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CCRMA and yum In-Reply-To: <20060215140402.bkhp7c9eyo04ckws@moon.aproximation.org> References: <20060214193921.bo6g56e6kgo8scco@moon.aproximation.org> <1140029795.9150.14.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060215115551.k12fjtzqgo4cc4c0@moon.aproximation.org> <1140036853.9150.48.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060215140402.bkhp7c9eyo04ckws@moon.aproximation.org> Message-ID: <1140133826.20437.51.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 14:04 -0800, thewade wrote: > Quoting Fernando Lopez-Lezcano : > > On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 11:55 -0800, thewade wrote: > >> Quoting Fernando Lopez-Lezcano : > >> > On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 19:39 -0800, thewade wrote: > >> >> I am encountering some problems though. Probably descrepancies between > >> >> the livna repository and the ccrma repository. Can you tell me if I am > >> >> correct? > >> >> > >> >> yum -y update > >> >> [lots of messages here...] > >> >> Error: Missing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 is needed by package xine-lib > >> >> Error: Missing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 is needed by package > >> >> xmms-faad2 > >> >> > >> >> And it ends there. Just to see if it was missing some file I built from > >> >> source I ran: > >> >> rpm -qa | grep faad > >> >> xmms-faad2-2.0-0.lvn.5.4 > >> >> faad2-2.0-0.lvn.5.4 > >> >> rpm -qla | grep libavcodec > >> >> /usr/lib/libavcodec-CVS.so > >> >> /usr/lib/libavcodec.so > >> >> /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.51 > >> >> [MUNCH] > >> > >> I do have some of thoes packages installed: > >> rpm -q mjpegtools ffmpeg kino ffmpeg2theora > >> mjpegtools-1.8.0-0.lvn.1.4 > >> ffmpeg-0.4.9-0.lvn.0.20.20051228.4 > >> kino-0.7.6-0.lvn.3.4 > >> package ffmpeg2theora is not installed > >> > >> I tried to upgrade just these packages but it comes back to > >> libavcodec.so.51 for xine-lib > >> rpm -q xine-lib > >> xine-lib-1.1.1-0.lvn.3.4 > >> > >> What version of xine-lib is in ccrma? > > > > Planet CCRMA does not have it. > > > >> Or perhaps your repository has a newer ffmpeg then livna, and the solution > >> is for livna to update their xine-lib with the new ffmpeg? > > > > Nope, according to your package list livna's version of ffmpeg is newer > > than Planet CCRMA's. > > OK, I get it now. the Livna ffmpeg is 0.4.9-0 and ccrma is 0.4.9-0.1 > but the date is newer for the livna version. Where they put the "lvn" > confused me as to the version. (but then again I am an idiot. It > doesn't take much to confuse me.) > > >> The guy that runs livna is pritty nice > >> and perhaps he would do that, if that is the problem... > >> I still do not understand where the breakdown is happening though. Your > >> version of libavcodec (from ffmpeg) is newer then the livna libavcodec, > >> and so xine-lib should be happy, right? > > > > No, I don't think livna's is older. Xine-lib wants a specific version of > > libavcodec, and it is not compatible with the one in Planet CCRMA. > > > > I still don't understand completely. Do you have xine-lib installed > > already? > > I have the livna xine-lib installed (so I can watch DVD's using xine): > xine-lib-1.1.1-0.lvn.3.4 > > > > Or is that what is triggering the problem when you try to > > install it? > > That is where I am confused. I just run "yum update" and it dies on > libavcodec and faad2. I'm confused as well. I'm not used to yum so I don't really know how to troubleshoot this. I can't make up my mind on which side is breaking things. Try removing the Planet CCRMA urls from the yum configuration file, and then doing a "yum update". -- Fernando From pdman at aproximation.org Thu Feb 16 19:47:56 2006 From: pdman at aproximation.org (thewade) Date: Thu Feb 16 19:47:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CCRMA and yum In-Reply-To: <1140133826.20437.51.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <20060214193921.bo6g56e6kgo8scco@moon.aproximation.org> <1140029795.9150.14.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060215115551.k12fjtzqgo4cc4c0@moon.aproximation.org> <1140036853.9150.48.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060215140402.bkhp7c9eyo04ckws@moon.aproximation.org> <1140133826.20437.51.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20060216164756.voevod49k4w8008w@moon.aproximation.org> Quoting Fernando Lopez-Lezcano : > On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 14:04 -0800, thewade wrote: >> Quoting Fernando Lopez-Lezcano : >> > On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 11:55 -0800, thewade wrote: >> >> Quoting Fernando Lopez-Lezcano : >> >> > On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 19:39 -0800, thewade wrote: >> >> >> I am encountering some problems though. Probably descrepancies between >> >> >> the livna repository and the ccrma repository. Can you tell me if I am >> >> >> correct? >> >> >> >> >> >> yum -y update >> >> >> [lots of messages here...] >> >> >> Error: Missing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 is needed by >> package xine-lib >> >> >> Error: Missing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 is needed >> by package >> >> >> xmms-faad2 >> >> >> >> >> >> And it ends there. Just to see if it was missing some file I >> built from >> >> >> source I ran: >> >> >> rpm -qa | grep faad >> >> >> xmms-faad2-2.0-0.lvn.5.4 >> >> >> faad2-2.0-0.lvn.5.4 >> >> >> rpm -qla | grep libavcodec >> >> >> /usr/lib/libavcodec-CVS.so >> >> >> /usr/lib/libavcodec.so >> >> >> /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.51 >> >> >> [MUNCH] >> >> >> >> I do have some of thoes packages installed: >> >> rpm -q mjpegtools ffmpeg kino ffmpeg2theora >> >> mjpegtools-1.8.0-0.lvn.1.4 >> >> ffmpeg-0.4.9-0.lvn.0.20.20051228.4 >> >> kino-0.7.6-0.lvn.3.4 >> >> package ffmpeg2theora is not installed >> >> >> >> I tried to upgrade just these packages but it comes back to >> >> libavcodec.so.51 for xine-lib >> >> rpm -q xine-lib >> >> xine-lib-1.1.1-0.lvn.3.4 >> >> >> >> What version of xine-lib is in ccrma? >> > >> > Planet CCRMA does not have it. >> > >> >> Or perhaps your repository has a newer ffmpeg then livna, and the >> solution >> >> is for livna to update their xine-lib with the new ffmpeg? >> > >> > Nope, according to your package list livna's version of ffmpeg is newer >> > than Planet CCRMA's. >> >> OK, I get it now. the Livna ffmpeg is 0.4.9-0 and ccrma is 0.4.9-0.1 >> but the date is newer for the livna version. Where they put the "lvn" >> confused me as to the version. (but then again I am an idiot. It >> doesn't take much to confuse me.) >> >> >> The guy that runs livna is pritty nice >> >> and perhaps he would do that, if that is the problem... >> >> I still do not understand where the breakdown is happening though. Your >> >> version of libavcodec (from ffmpeg) is newer then the livna libavcodec, >> >> and so xine-lib should be happy, right? >> > >> > No, I don't think livna's is older. Xine-lib wants a specific version of >> > libavcodec, and it is not compatible with the one in Planet CCRMA. >> > >> > I still don't understand completely. Do you have xine-lib installed >> > already? >> >> I have the livna xine-lib installed (so I can watch DVD's using xine): >> xine-lib-1.1.1-0.lvn.3.4 >> >> >> > Or is that what is triggering the problem when you try to >> > install it? >> >> That is where I am confused. I just run "yum update" and it dies on >> libavcodec and faad2. > > I'm confused as well. I'm not used to yum so I don't really know how to > troubleshoot this. I can't make up my mind on which side is breaking > things. > > Try removing the Planet CCRMA urls from the yum configuration file, and > then doing a "yum update". I relocated my /etc/yum.repos.d/planetCCRMA.repo file and ran yum -y update and a few things updated but nothing having to do with faad ffmpeg. Everything worked fine. Then I moved the file back and ran update again and I got the fault with libavcodec and faad2 again. I will attach the whole of the yum execution below. Thanks again for helping me out on this. -thewade yum -y update Setting up Update Process Setting up repositories planetccrma 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 os 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 planetcore 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 planetedge 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 updates 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 110 kB 00:00 planetccrm: ################################################## 400/400 Added 3 new packages, deleted 0 old in 1.22 seconds Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package pam.i386 0:0.79-9.6.2.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated ---> Package alsa-lib.i386 0:1.0.10-3.2.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated ---> Package pam-devel.i386 0:0.79-9.6.2.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated ---> Package wxGTK-common.i386 0:2.4.2-12.1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated ---> Package imlib2.i386 0:1.2.0-8.fc4.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated ---> Package wxGTK2.i386 0:2.4.2-12.1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated ---> Package libid3tag.i386 0:0.15.1b-3.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated ---> Package faad2.i386 0:2.0-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated ---> Package ffmpeg.i386 0:0.4.9-0.1.20050427.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated ---> Package kino.i386 0:0.7.6-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated ---> Package alsa-lib-devel.i386 0:1.0.10-3.2.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated ---> Package audacity.i386 0:1.2.4b-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated ---> Package a52dec.i386 0:0.7.4-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated ---> Package libmad.i386 0:0.15.1b-3.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated ---> Package alsa-utils.i386 0:1.0.10-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated ---> Package vcdimager.i386 0:0.7.23-2.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated ---> Package libsndfile.i386 0:1.0.11-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated ---> Package libquicktime.i586 0:0.9.7-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 for package: xine-lib --> Processing Dependency: libpostproc.so.0 for package: ffmpeg --> Processing Dependency: alsa-driver for package: alsa-lib --> Processing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 for package: xmms-faad2 --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. 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Please wait. ---> Package kernel.i686 0:2.6.14-0.10.rrt.rhfc4.ccrma set to be installed --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 for package: xine-lib --> Processing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 for package: xmms-faad2 --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Missing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 is needed by package xine-lib Error: Missing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 is needed by package xmms-faad2 From conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de Thu Feb 16 19:51:09 2006 From: conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de (conrad =?iso-8859-1?q?berh=F6rster?=) Date: Thu Feb 16 19:54:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: asoundrc and aplay In-Reply-To: <2def88b80602161314j15224008m@mail.gmail.com> References: <200602161308.12643.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <200602161823.42465.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <2def88b80602161314j15224008m@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602170151.10879.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Hello Arnold, Am Donnerstag 16 Februar 2006 22:14 schrieb Arnold Krille: > 2006/2/16, conrad berh?rster : > > well, i have 2 soundcards and want to capture from both at the same time > > with > > jack. i don't need sample sync (or such bad things ;=) ) only need the > > signal, each channel individual but into one app, i have written. > > Two explain Pauls Jedi-magic: Thanks very much, Paul was a little bit to "short" ;=) > If you use jack, you want sample-sync. If you don't want sample-sync > and just want to record two independent streams into your software > (assuming you don't want to use it for music[*]) you just have to open > both sounddevices the alsa way and process according to the > alsa-interface. No, this is not quite right for me. sample-sync is not the only reason, why someone uses jack. i use it i my app, because - easy programming interface , better than alsa. - take some other apps and get/set data from/to them i need that inputs not in a harddisk recording / pro audio way. all i need is getting the signal into the app, use some effects and put them out again. no sample sync, no need for "realtime". all inputs are independed. Than i have read http://alsa.opensrc.org/TwoCardsAsOne. is this page wrong! i thought, one big advantage of jack is, to handle more than one card. > > [*] If you want to do music with it, you want sample-sync... > > Enough things have been said about way two soundcards without syncing > can't be used as one multichannel device, so I won't repeat it here. yes, i know. i have read them too. maybe you can explain, what you mean exactly with the notion "multichannel device". Is it just a couple of IOs, without sync, or are the requirements for pro audios (with sync). if all this stuff isn't possible, do you have any idea to fix the problem. thanks c~ From conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de Thu Feb 16 19:54:59 2006 From: conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de (conrad =?iso-8859-1?q?berh=F6rster?=) Date: Thu Feb 16 19:57:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] asoundrc and aplay In-Reply-To: <20060216145348.GA11024@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <200602161308.12643.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <20060216145348.GA11024@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <200602170154.59582.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Am Donnerstag 16 Februar 2006 15:53 schrieb Clemens Ladisch: > conrad berh?rster wrote: > > i'm want to use the asoundrc for my music production. > > Why? What do you want to do that does not work with the default > configuration? > > > if i try > > aplay test.wav > > everything went fine. but after > > aplay -D hw:0,0 test.wav > > i get > > Playing WAVE 'test.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, > > Mono aplay: set_params:901: Channels count non available > > "hw" goes directly to the hardware, without automatic sample format > conversion. Your hardware cannot play mono data. buuuuuttttt: the default of aplay is hw:0,0 . on my first card, the first subdevice is an mono channel. so, what puzzles me is the fact, that aplay test.wav is ok but aplay -D hw:0,0 test.wav gives me this error. Does this mean, that aplay with the -D option first reads all the data and only send the raw data to the subdevice. > > > HTH what means HTH ;=) > Clemens From jonhoskins at wildpenguin.net Thu Feb 16 20:24:21 2006 From: jonhoskins at wildpenguin.net (Jon Hoskins) Date: Thu Feb 16 20:24:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden 1.2.3 debs? Message-ID: <43F525C5.5030506@wildpenguin.net> Hey all, I'm struggling with Scons, trying to build from source. Has anyone seen debian packages for this yet? Thanks in advance! From florin at andrei.myip.org Thu Feb 16 22:42:01 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Thu Feb 16 22:42:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] edit mp3 files? Message-ID: <1140147721.3212.5.camel@rivendell.home.local> I have several MP3 files that I have to edit - there's a 1 or 2 minutes intro on each file that needs to be removed. I want to do this in a way that does not require re-encoding the file. Essentially, I just want to remove a portion at the beginning of each file and keep the rest untouched. I tried Audacity first, but it seems like it's importing the file in some internal format. If I chop off the head of the file, then I have to export (re-encode) the rest, right? Any other idea? -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From florin at andrei.myip.org Thu Feb 16 22:45:26 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Thu Feb 16 22:45:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] edit mp3 files? In-Reply-To: <1140147721.3212.5.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <1140147721.3212.5.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <1140147926.3212.7.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 19:42 -0800, Florin Andrei wrote: > I have several MP3 files that I have to edit - there's a 1 or 2 minutes > intro on each file that needs to be removed. I want to do this in a way > that does not require re-encoding the file. > Essentially, I just want to remove a portion at the beginning of each > file and keep the rest untouched. Oh, yeah, and editing the ID3 tags would be nice too. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From ix at replic.net Thu Feb 16 22:45:19 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Thu Feb 16 22:45:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] edit mp3 files? In-Reply-To: <1140147721.3212.5.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <1140147721.3212.5.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <20060217034519.GA20057@replic.net> > I have several MP3 files that I have to edit - there's a 1 or 2 minutes > I tried Audacity first, but it seems like it's importing the file in > some internal format. If I chop off the head of the file, then I have to > export (re-encode) the rest, right? mp3 frames do not require decoding and reencoding for editing (except perhaps a single frame at the edit boundary) > Any other idea? mp3directcut does this well, its free and works great in WINE: http://www.mpesch3.de/ From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Feb 16 23:15:31 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Feb 16 23:15:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: edit mp3 files? In-Reply-To: <1140147721.3212.5.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <1140147721.3212.5.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: mp3splt is your friend. Carlo From florin at andrei.myip.org Thu Feb 16 23:29:34 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Thu Feb 16 23:29:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] free Mozart mp3 [was: edit mp3 files?] In-Reply-To: <1140147721.3212.5.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <1140147721.3212.5.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <1140150575.3212.11.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 19:42 -0800, Florin Andrei wrote: > I have several MP3 files that I have to edit - there's a 1 or 2 minutes > intro on each file that needs to be removed. I want to do this in a way > that does not require re-encoding the file. Thanks everyone. Actually, I needed the editor for these files: http://digg.com/music/Download_9_Mozart_symphonies_for_free 9 symphonies by Mozart, free and legit, high-quality MP3, interpreted by the Danish National Radio Orchestra. Very nice. Enjoy! -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From renatoftato at yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 00:30:24 2006 From: renatoftato at yahoo.com (Renato Fabbri) Date: Fri Feb 17 00:30:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Crude In-Reply-To: <1140150575.3212.11.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <20060217053024.72749.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> I am migrating from win to linux. Did a little research for choosing my distro: Ubuntu is not good for low latency app untill now. Great efforts are on the way, but it is what it is. DeMuDi is not being updated (thats the rumor). Dynebolic is dedicated for liveCD. I?ve heard serious about slackware and gentoo, some apathy to fedora core and nothing about Mediainlinux. The sources were some google search, wiki, distro sites, and some discussion mailing list archieves. So, the question is still there. For a DAW that will deal much with real time apps centered in PD and ext, are there any recomendations for my distro choise? I am sorry to bring up such a tipical issue, I tried by other means. btw, don?t know how this can affects tips, but I have been composing in computers for some years doing sonic art, and my cpu is a intel 3.6 HT, 1Gb ddr2 ram, with a delta 66 sound card. I am going linux mainly ?couse win suffocate sucking and ?couse PD get?s way more serious on linux. Thanks in advance, Ref www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=25246 --- Florin Andrei wrote: > On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 19:42 -0800, Florin Andrei > wrote: > > I have several MP3 files that I have to edit - > there's a 1 or 2 minutes > > intro on each file that needs to be removed. I > want to do this in a way > > that does not require re-encoding the file. > > Thanks everyone. > > Actually, I needed the editor for these files: > > http://digg.com/music/Download_9_Mozart_symphonies_for_free > > 9 symphonies by Mozart, free and legit, high-quality > MP3, interpreted by > the Danish National Radio Orchestra. Very nice. > > Enjoy! > > -- > Florin Andrei > > http://florin.myip.org/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Feb 17 01:16:59 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Feb 17 01:17:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Crude In-Reply-To: <20060217053024.72749.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1140150575.3212.11.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060217053024.72749.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I can confirm the rumour about DeMuDi. You could go with Ubuntu (ubuntustudio.com). I followed their instructions even though I'm using Debian Unstable (not Ubuntu) and it worked like a charm. You'll have to accept doing a little kernel compiling though. As an alternative, Paul Davis is a fierce recommender of Fedore/Planet CCRMA, especially if you're not such a fan of doing a lot of your own tech work. I tend to regard his opinion highly, so that might be the option for you. Carlo From florin at andrei.myip.org Fri Feb 17 01:20:00 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Fri Feb 17 01:20:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Crude In-Reply-To: References: <1140150575.3212.11.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060217053024.72749.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1140157200.3212.13.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 07:16 +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > As an alternative, Paul Davis is a fierce recommender of Fedore/Planet > CCRMA, especially if you're not such a fan of doing a lot of your own > tech work. I tend to regard his opinion highly, so that might be the > option for you. Yeah, I'm using packages from PlanetCCRMA with Fedora and it works fine. Some packages are from other sources, some I build myself. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Feb 17 01:51:49 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Feb 17 01:52:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: realtime-preempt without PAM? In-Reply-To: <20060211190411.GA20578@lug.udel.edu> References: <20060211190411.GA20578@lug.udel.edu> Message-ID: > Is there some software I can use instead of PAM, for this purpose? Yeah. http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=22 Carlo From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 02:19:01 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Fri Feb 17 02:19:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Crude In-Reply-To: <20060217053024.72749.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060217071901.63489.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> If Demudi has stopped, does that also mean Musix has stopped as well? --- Renato Fabbri wrote: > I am migrating from win to linux. Did a little > research for choosing my distro: > > Ubuntu is not good for low latency app untill now. > Great efforts are on the way, but it is what it is. > > DeMuDi is not being updated (thats the rumor). > > Dynebolic is dedicated for liveCD. > > I?ve heard serious about slackware and gentoo, some > apathy to fedora core and nothing about > Mediainlinux. > > The sources were some google search, wiki, distro > sites, and some discussion mailing list archieves. > > So, the question is still there. For a DAW that will > deal much with real time apps centered in PD and > ext, > are there any recomendations for my distro choise? > > I am sorry to bring up such a tipical issue, I tried > by other means. > > btw, don?t know how this can affects tips, but I > have > been composing in computers for some years doing > sonic > art, and my cpu is a intel 3.6 HT, 1Gb ddr2 ram, > with > a delta 66 sound card. I am going linux mainly > ?couse > win suffocate sucking and ?couse PD get?s way more > serious on linux. > > Thanks in advance, > Ref > www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=25246 > > > > --- Florin Andrei wrote: > > > On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 19:42 -0800, Florin Andrei > > wrote: > > > I have several MP3 files that I have to edit - > > there's a 1 or 2 minutes > > > intro on each file that needs to be removed. I > > want to do this in a way > > > that does not require re-encoding the file. > > > > Thanks everyone. > > > > Actually, I needed the editor for these files: > > > > > http://digg.com/music/Download_9_Mozart_symphonies_for_free > > > > 9 symphonies by Mozart, free and legit, > high-quality > > MP3, interpreted by > > the Danish National Radio Orchestra. Very nice. > > > > Enjoy! > > > > -- > > Florin Andrei > > > > http://florin.myip.org/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From v2 at iki.fi Fri Feb 17 03:34:00 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Fri Feb 17 03:34:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: asoundrc and aplay Message-ID: <1140165240.43f58a78683cc@www1.helsinki.fi> Quoting conrad berh?rster : > i need that inputs not in a harddisk recording / pro audio way. all i > need is > getting the signal into the app, use some effects and put them out again. > no > sample sync, no need for "realtime". all inputs are independed. > Than i have read http://alsa.opensrc.org/TwoCardsAsOne. > is this page wrong! > i thought, one big advantage of jack is, to handle more than one card. Jack works only with one soundcard, or an array of sample-synced soundcards. Nothing else. You do need sample sync to make your idea work properly. Sample sync, or you dump the idea of using jackd and do resampling in the code. Here is the reason: Soundcard 1 -> Application -> Soundcard 2 Looks simple, eh? It's simple because it's wrong. The truth is this: Soundcard 1 -> Application -> Soundcard 2 @44102hz @44092hz (This is due to the fact that no two crystals are the same) What happens in this scenario? When you are running the application for a period of say, 10 minutes, the output you hear from soundcard 2 lags about 0.136 seconds. After 20 minutes, it lags about 0.272 seconds, etc. The reason for this? While soundcard 1 takes in 44102 samples per real-world-second, soundcard two outputs only 44092 samples in that time. If soundcard 2 would have a faster crystal than soundcard 1, you'd be in a heap of trouble. For every buffer you would write to soundcard2 you would get an underrun where soundcard 2 isn't fed data fast enough (altough, exact error frequency depends on the buffering scheme used). > yes, i know. i have read them too. maybe you can explain, what you mean > exactly with the notion "multichannel device". Is it just a couple of > IOs, > without sync, or are the requirements for pro audios (with sync). With multichannel, we mean "audio devices running in parallel or serial in the same signal chain". > if all this stuff isn't possible, do you have any idea to fix the > problem. Either use only one soundcard (if you are recording from one and playing back on the other one, i don't see why you couldn't use one soundcard), or don't use jack and resample between the two soundcards. Altough, getting a software resampler to perfectly sync two non-synced cards is a mean feat. If you want to use two soundcards as one, the best option is to: wordclock them. That is, to make them sample-sync. Sorry. But this is how it is. Sampo From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Fri Feb 17 04:22:32 2006 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (fsmith) Date: Fri Feb 17 04:22:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: asoundrc and aplay In-Reply-To: <1140129956.4777.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200602161308.12643.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <20060216145348.GA11024@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> <200602161823.42465.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <2def88b80602161314j15224008m@mail.gmail.com> <1140129956.4777.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43F595D8.1080206@walescomputers.co.uk> Hi Can't we link the two Hammer falls with a link cable (I seem to have one here) I think it uses the adat 2 input. Or am I on the wrong track here (no pun intended!) cheers Bob Paul Davis wrote: >On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 22:14 +0100, Arnold Krille wrote: > > >>I just want to add another trick I learned from my hardware-dealer who >>syncs ISDN-cards: Maybe its not enough to just couple their clocks, >>they also change the driver to mask the IRQ's from the slave cards and >>just react on the master-IRQ and then the driver automaticly >>proccesses the data on all cards. >> >> > >thats a very cool idea. i wish i had the time to add that to the RME >hammerfall/hdsp/madi drivers because they can all have IRQ's disabled or >enabled. you could then load the driver with an option to disable IRQs >for all but the first card. nice. > >--p > > > > > > From wfluegel at fh-lausitz.de Fri Feb 17 01:51:35 2006 From: wfluegel at fh-lausitz.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Werner_Fl=FCgel?=) Date: Fri Feb 17 04:26:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden 1.2.3 debs? In-Reply-To: <43F525C5.5030506@wildpenguin.net> References: <43F525C5.5030506@wildpenguin.net> Message-ID: <43F57277.9090107@fh-lausitz.de> Jon Hoskins wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm struggling with Scons, trying to build from source. Has anyone seen > debian packages for this yet? > Dont know about debs. But I think, scons is not the biggest problem building rosegarden. Got a lot of errors (see below), I think, any lib or header file is still missing. Any hints? greets Werner (output of my compiling try) g++ -I/usr/include/alsa -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/X11R6/include -DHAVE_ALSA -DHAVE_LIBJACK -DHAVE_DSSI -DHAVE_LIBLO -DHAVE_XFT -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -DVERS ION=\"4-1.2.3\" -I/usr/include/kde/ -I/usr/include/qt3 -I/usr/include/alsa -I/usr/local/in clude -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/X11R6/include -DHAVE_ALSA -DHAVE_LIBJACK -DHAVE_DSSI -DHAVE_LIBLO -DHAVE_XFT -DDEBUG -g -Wall -I/usr/include/alsa -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/ include/freetype2 -I/usr/X11R6/include -IRGbuild/sound -Ibase -Igui -IRGbuild -c -o RGbuil d/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.o RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:36: error: expected class-name before '{' token RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:40: error: 'MappedObjectPropertyList' has not been decla red RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:42: error: 'QString' has not been declared RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:42: error: 'MappedPluginSlot' has not been declared RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:44: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'RunnablePlugi nInstance' with no type RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:44: error: 'RunnablePluginInstance' declared as a 'virtu al' field RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:44: error: expected ';' before '*' token RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:55: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'vector' with no type RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:55: error: invalid use of '::' RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:55: error: 'vector' declared as a 'virtual' field RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:55: error: expected ';' before '<' token RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:61: error: 'QString' has not been declared RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:63: error: 'getLADSPADescriptor' declared as a 'virtual' field RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:63: error: expected ';' before '(' token RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:64: error: 'getDSSIDescriptor' declared as a 'virtual' f ield RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:64: error: expected ';' before '(' token RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp: In constructor 'Rosegarden::DSSIPluginFactory::DSSIPl uginFactory()': RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:41: error: class 'Rosegarden::DSSIPluginFactory' does not have any field named 'LADSPAPluginFactory' RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp: At global scope: RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:52: error: prototype for 'void Rosegarden::DSSIPluginF actory::enumeratePlugins(Rosegarden::MappedObjectPropertyList&)' does not match any in cla ss 'Rosegarden::DSSIPluginFactory' RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:40: error: candidate is: virtual void Rosegarden::DSSIPl uginFactory::enumeratePlugins(int&) RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp: In member function 'void Rosegarden::DSSIPluginFactor y::enumeratePlugins(Rosegarden::MappedObjectPropertyList&)': RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:54: error: 'm_identifiers' was not declared in this sc ope RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:57: error: 'getDSSIDescriptor' was not declared in thi s scope RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:73: error: 'm_taxonomy' was not declared in this scope RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:93: error: 'getPortDisplayHint' was not declared in th is scope RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:94: error: 'getPortMinimum' was not declared in this s cope RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:95: error: 'getPortMaximum' was not declared in this s cope RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:96: error: 'getPortDefault' was not declared in this s cope RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:100: error: 'unloadUnusedLibraries' was not declared i n this scope RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp: At global scope: RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:105: error: prototype for 'void Rosegarden::DSSIPlugin Factory::populatePluginSlot(QString, Rosegarden::MappedPluginSlot&)' does not match any in class 'Rosegarden::DSSIPluginFactory' RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:42: error: candidate is: virtual void Rosegarden::DSSIPl uginFactory::populatePluginSlot(int, int&) RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp: In member function 'void Rosegarden::DSSIPluginFactor y::populatePluginSlot(QString, Rosegarden::MappedPluginSlot&)': RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:107: error: 'getLADSPADescriptor' was not declared in this scope RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:117: error: 'm_taxonomy' was not declared in this scop e RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:143: error: 'getPortMaximum' was not declared in this scope RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:145: error: 'getPortMinimum' was not declared in this scope RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:147: error: 'getPortDefault' was not declared in this scope RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:149: error: 'getPortDisplayHint' was not declared in t his scope RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp: At global scope: RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:163: error: no 'Rosegarden::RunnablePluginInstance* Ro segarden::DSSIPluginFactory::instantiatePlugin(QString, int, int, unsigned int, unsigned i nt, unsigned int)' member function declared in class 'Rosegarden::DSSIPluginFactory' RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp: In member function 'Rosegarden::RunnablePluginInstanc e* Rosegarden::DSSIPluginFactory::instantiatePlugin(QString, int, int, unsigned int, unsig ned int, unsigned int)': RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:165: error: 'getDSSIDescriptor' was not declared in th is scope RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:172: error: no matching function for call to 'Rosegard en::DSSIPluginInstance::DSSIPluginInstance(Rosegarden::DSSIPluginFactory* const, int&, QSt ring&, int&, unsigned int&, unsigned int&, unsigned int&, const DSSI_Descriptor*&)' RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginInstance.h:110: note: candidates are: Rosegarden::DSSIPluginInstan ce::DSSIPluginInstance(Rosegarden::PluginFactory*, Rosegarden::InstrumentId, QString, int, long unsigned int, size_t, float**, float**, const DSSI_Descriptor*) RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginInstance.h:98: note: Rosegarden::DSSIPluginInstanc e::DSSIPluginInstance(Rosegarden::PluginFactory*, Rosegarden::InstrumentId, QString, int, long unsigned int, size_t, int, const DSSI_Descriptor*) RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginInstance.h:43: note: Rosegarden::DSSIPluginInstanc e::DSSIPluginInstance(const Rosegarden::DSSIPluginInstance&) RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:174: error: 'm_instances' was not declared in this sco pe RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp: At global scope: RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:184: error: no 'const DSSI_Descriptor* Rosegarden::DSS IPluginFactory::getDSSIDescriptor(QString)' member function declared in class 'Rosegarden: :DSSIPluginFactory' RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp: In member function 'const DSSI_Descriptor* Rosegarden ::DSSIPluginFactory::getDSSIDescriptor(QString)': RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:189: error: 'm_libraryHandles' was not declared in thi s scope RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:190: error: 'loadLibrary' was not declared in this sco pe RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:197: error: 'm_libraryHandles' was not declared in thi s scope RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp: At global scope: RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:221: error: no 'const LADSPA_Descriptor* Rosegarden::D SSIPluginFactory::getLADSPADescriptor(QString)' member function declared in class 'Rosegar den::DSSIPluginFactory' RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:230: error: no 'std::vector > Rosegarden::DSSIPluginFactory::getPluginPath()' member function declared in class 'Rosegarden::DSSIPluginFactory' RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:287: error: prototype for 'void Rosegarden::DSSIPlugin Factory::discoverPlugins(QString)' does not match any in class 'Rosegarden::DSSIPluginFact ory' RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.h:61: error: candidate is: virtual void Rosegarden::DSSIPl uginFactory::discoverPlugins(int) RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp: In member function 'void Rosegarden::DSSIPluginFactor y::discoverPlugins(QString)': RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp:371: error: 'm_identifiers' was not declared in this s cope scons: *** [RGbuild/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.o] Error 1 scons: building terminated because of errors. -- mfG. W.Fl?gel HRZ FH Lausitz Tel. 03573 / 85382 From ix at replic.net Fri Feb 17 04:54:08 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Fri Feb 17 04:54:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: asoundrc and aplay In-Reply-To: <1140165240.43f58a78683cc@www1.helsinki.fi> References: <1140165240.43f58a78683cc@www1.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <20060217095408.GB20057@replic.net> > Jack works only with one soundcard, or an array of sample-synced soundcards. > Nothing else. mostly true (although resampling middle-men could be called a hack): http://xdev.net/~spark/jack_diplomat-0.70.tar.bz2 From lau at ballen.fastmail.fm Fri Feb 17 06:38:38 2006 From: lau at ballen.fastmail.fm (Bill Allen) Date: Fri Feb 17 06:38:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Crude In-Reply-To: References: <1140150575.3212.11.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060217053024.72749.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43F5B5BE.10800@ballen.fastmail.fm> Carlo Capocasa wrote: >I can confirm the rumour about DeMuDi. > > > My impression as a user of DeMuDi and a lurker on the mailing list is that work continues on DeMuDi albeit as a voluteer project. Rumors of its death are greatly exagerated. Bill From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Feb 17 07:19:45 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Feb 17 06:53:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Crude In-Reply-To: <43F5B5BE.10800@ballen.fastmail.fm> References: <1140150575.3212.11.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060217053024.72749.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> <43F5B5BE.10800@ballen.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <43F5BF61.8030007@woh.rr.com> Bill Allen wrote: > Carlo Capocasa wrote: > >> I can confirm the rumour about DeMuDi. >> > > My impression as a user of DeMuDi and a lurker on the mailing list is > that work continues on DeMuDi albeit as a voluteer project. Rumors of > its death are greatly exagerated. Indeed. I just upgraded the 1.3 system, and thanks to a major repository resync I now have a sweet modern Debian system, complete with devel packages and all. Carlo, your confirmation is unconfirmable. :) Best, dp From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com Fri Feb 17 06:55:46 2006 From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Fri Feb 17 06:55:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden 1.2.3 debs? In-Reply-To: <43F57277.9090107@fh-lausitz.de> References: <43F525C5.5030506@wildpenguin.net> <43F57277.9090107@fh-lausitz.de> Message-ID: <200602171155.47064.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> On Friday 17 Feb 2006 06:51, Werner Fl?gel wrote: > Dont know about debs. But I think, scons is not the biggest problem > building rosegarden. Got a lot of errors (see below), I think, any lib or > header file is still missing. Any hints? Looks like you're missing the LADSPA header, or the scons configuration didn't find it. I would expect those errors only if the LADSPA header (ladspa.h) is not found but the DSSI header is found -- a relatively unusual combination, which is probably why we overlooked it. Chris From conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de Fri Feb 17 07:21:14 2006 From: conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de (conrad =?iso-8859-1?q?berh=F6rster?=) Date: Fri Feb 17 07:38:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: asoundrc and aplay In-Reply-To: <20060217095408.GB20057@replic.net> References: <1140165240.43f58a78683cc@www1.helsinki.fi> <20060217095408.GB20057@replic.net> Message-ID: <200602171321.14919.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Am Freitag 17 Februar 2006 10:54 schrieb cdr: > > Jack works only with one soundcard, or an array of sample-synced > > soundcards. Nothing else. > > mostly true (although resampling middle-men could be called a hack): > > http://xdev.net/~spark/jack_diplomat-0.70.tar.bz2 uhh, this seems to be a really cool app. thanks c~ From conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de Fri Feb 17 07:35:55 2006 From: conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de (conrad =?iso-8859-1?q?berh=F6rster?=) Date: Fri Feb 17 07:38:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] capturing through plugins Message-ID: <200602171335.56189.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Hello, here is the next , hmmm, challenge. i want to capture the audo output of xine, the Video player. I have read somewhere, that it is possible through the alsa-jack plugin, since xine has alsa. so a possible way, i'm thinking of is xine -> alsa-lib -> alsa-plugin -> jack -> myapp the first step is to jackify xine. is there any experience with this topic. thanks c~ From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com Fri Feb 17 08:01:17 2006 From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Fri Feb 17 08:00:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] capturing through plugins In-Reply-To: <200602171335.56189.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> References: <200602171335.56189.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200602171301.17741.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> On Friday 17 Feb 2006 12:35, conrad berh?rster wrote: > the first step is to jackify xine. is there any experience with this topic. Yes. There are at least two JACK output plugins for xine out there, both submitted to xine-devel but neither accepted into xine cvs. Here's the one I wrote: http://www.all-day-breakfast.com/m/audio_jack_out.c It's a bit basic and won't handle more than two channels out, but it does broadly appear to work. See also discussion on xine-devel: http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=mlists&forum_id=7131&group_id=9655&atid=0&words=jack&Search=Search To build, you have to drop the source file into src/audio_out/ in the xine-lib source tree, and add it to the Makefile -- I can't quite remember the details of that bit but I think it's straightforward enough. I would like to have done some more work on this and related stuff, but I haven't found the time (what a surprise). Chris From robin at rektau.ukfsn.org Fri Feb 17 08:24:19 2006 From: robin at rektau.ukfsn.org (robin) Date: Fri Feb 17 08:24:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Crude In-Reply-To: <20060217053024.72749.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060217053024.72749.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43F5CE83.7070302@rektau.ukfsn.org> Renato Fabbri wrote: > I am migrating from win to linux. Did a little > research for choosing my distro: > > Ubuntu is not good for low latency app untill now. > Great efforts are on the way, but it is what it is. > > DeMuDi is not being updated (thats the rumor). > The rumour is incorrect. There has been a change, Agnula Demudi is now a completely volunteer project, but it is alive and development continues. robin From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Feb 17 08:49:33 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Feb 17 08:49:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Crude In-Reply-To: <20060217053024.72749.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060217053024.72749.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200602171349.33548.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 17 February 2006 05:30, Renato Fabbri was like: > DeMuDi is not being updated (thats the rumor). Untrue. Where did you get that idea? -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Feb 17 09:08:35 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Feb 17 09:08:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Crude In-Reply-To: <20060217071901.63489.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060217071901.63489.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200602171408.35528.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 17 February 2006 07:19, Sean Edwards was like: > If Demudi has stopped, does that also mean Musix has > stopped as well? That's right, no more KNOPPIX, or MEPIS, Morphix is dead, Ubuntu is finished, the next Studio to Go! is going to be based on the ATARI ST, Xandros has been bought out by IBM, Linus Thorvalds has shelved all kernel development, Richard Stallman has admitted he was wrong, Christmas is cancelled and all flying pigs will be shot down on sight! -- MMFD, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim "I ATEN'T DEAD" - Granny Weatherwax From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Feb 17 09:20:43 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Feb 17 09:21:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] asoundrc and aplay In-Reply-To: <200602170154.59582.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> References: <200602161308.12643.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <20060216145348.GA11024@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> <200602170154.59582.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20060217142043.GC11415@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> conrad berh?rster wrote: > Am Donnerstag 16 Februar 2006 15:53 schrieb Clemens Ladisch: > > "hw" goes directly to the hardware, without automatic sample format > > conversion. Your hardware cannot play mono data. > > buuuuuttttt: the default of aplay is hw:0,0 . The default device is not "hw:0,0" but "default" which gets eventually mapped to "plug:hw:0,0". > on my first card, the first subdevice is an mono channel. The subdevice number would be the third number (as in hw:0,0,0). The first device on your first card has exactly one subdevice which has exactly two channels. A card has more than one device if it has several output/inputs that can be used _independently_ (i.e., if the hardware can play from different streams). For example, the analog and SPDIF outputs of Intel compatible AC'97 controllers are available as hw:0,0 and hw:0,4. A device has more than one subdevice if the hardware can mix several streams for the same output. > > HTH > what means HTH ;=) Hope this helps. Clemens From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 09:42:49 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Fri Feb 17 09:42:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Crude In-Reply-To: <200602171408.35528.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060217144249.6137.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> I had just decided on Musix for my MIDI/Audio PC. The synaptic config for Musix is configured to get packages from Demudi. If Demudi is no longer developed, and Musix gets packages from Demudi, then Musix would be affected and I would need to make another distro choice. That was the reason for my question. --- tim hall wrote: > On Friday 17 February 2006 07:19, Sean Edwards was > like: > > If Demudi has stopped, does that also mean Musix > has > > stopped as well? > > That's right, no more KNOPPIX, or MEPIS, Morphix is > dead, Ubuntu is finished, > the next Studio to Go! is going to be based on the > ATARI ST, Xandros has been > bought out by IBM, Linus Thorvalds has shelved all > kernel development, > Richard Stallman has admitted he was wrong, > Christmas is cancelled and all > flying pigs will be shot down on sight! > -- > MMFD, > > tim hall > http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim > "I ATEN'T DEAD" - Granny Weatherwax > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From x at branwelt.de Fri Feb 17 09:54:55 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Fri Feb 17 09:53:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] capturing through plugins In-Reply-To: <200602171335.56189.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> References: <200602171335.56189.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: <43F5E3BF.2030203@branwelt.de> conrad berh?rster wrote: >somewhere, that it is possible through the alsa-jack plugin, since xine has alsa. >the first step is to jackify xine. is there any experience with this topic. > > I've had some success with the /etc/asound.conf configuration below. In gxine select the alsa driver and enter "jackplug" as output-device (or "default", depending on what you choose) However- I found, and wonder why, all this alsa plugin stuff is so badly supported by many apps, and unreliable ... gxine at least is an app, where it's working to some degree.. Test your configuration with: aplay test.wav -D jackplug Emanuel pcm.jack { type jack playback_ports { 0 alsa_pcm:playback_1 1 alsa_pcm:playback_2 } capture_ports { 0 alsa_pcm:capture_1 1 alsa_pcm:capture_2 } } pcm.jackplug { type plug #ipc_perm 0660 # Sound for everybody in your group slave { pcm "jack" #period_time 0 #period_size 256 #buffer_size 16384 #rate 48000 } # bindings { # 0 0 # 1 1 # } } # enable this, if you want jackplug to be the default device (though some apps don't like this...) : pcm.!default { type plug slave.pcm "jack" } # Enable OSS support trough alsa # don't know if this is working pcm.dsp0 { type plug slave.pcm "jack" } From jh at brainiac.com Fri Feb 17 10:43:42 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Fri Feb 17 10:43:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Crude In-Reply-To: <200602171408.35528.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060217071901.63489.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> <200602171408.35528.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060217104342.56969f1a.jh@brainiac.com> On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:08:35 +0000 tim hall wrote: > On Friday 17 February 2006 07:19, Sean Edwards was like: > > If Demudi has stopped, does that also mean Musix has > > stopped as well? > > That's right, no more KNOPPIX, or MEPIS, Morphix is dead, Ubuntu is finished, > the next Studio to Go! is going to be based on the ATARI ST, Xandros has been > bought out by IBM, Linus Thorvalds has shelved all kernel development, > Richard Stallman has admitted he was wrong, Christmas is cancelled and all > flying pigs will be shot down on sight! I'd a damned good thing I had just put down the mug o' caffeinated goodness before I read this, or I'd have been wondering how to best clean a flat panel monitor right now! > "I ATEN'T DEAD" - Granny Weatherwax All hail Terry Pratchett! -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From robin at rektau.ukfsn.org Fri Feb 17 11:00:54 2006 From: robin at rektau.ukfsn.org (robin) Date: Fri Feb 17 11:01:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Crude In-Reply-To: <20060217144249.6137.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060217144249.6137.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43F5F336.4070704@rektau.ukfsn.org> Sean Edwards wrote: > I had just decided on Musix for my MIDI/Audio PC. The > synaptic config for Musix is configured to get > packages from Demudi. If Demudi is no longer > developed, and Musix gets packages from Demudi, then > Musix would be affected and I would need to make > another distro choice. > > That was the reason for my question. > Demudi repositories are still there: deb http://demudi.agnula.org/packages/demudi/ testing main deb http://demudi.agnula.org/packages/demudi/ stable main Furthermore, thanks to Arnaud Gomes-do-Vale at IRCAM, we have a new mirror, located in Paris: http://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/demudi/ or ftp://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/demudi/ robin From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 11:04:00 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Fri Feb 17 11:04:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Crude In-Reply-To: <43F5F336.4070704@rektau.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <20060217160400.42250.qmail@web52611.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you for the information. I will continue with Musix as planned. --- robin wrote: > Sean Edwards wrote: > > I had just decided on Musix for my MIDI/Audio PC. > The > > synaptic config for Musix is configured to get > > packages from Demudi. If Demudi is no longer > > developed, and Musix gets packages from Demudi, > then > > Musix would be affected and I would need to make > > another distro choice. > > > > That was the reason for my question. > > > > Demudi repositories are still there: > > deb http://demudi.agnula.org/packages/demudi/ > testing main > deb http://demudi.agnula.org/packages/demudi/ stable > main > > Furthermore, thanks to Arnaud Gomes-do-Vale at > IRCAM, we have a new > mirror, located in Paris: > > http://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/demudi/ > or > ftp://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/demudi/ > > robin > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de Fri Feb 17 12:39:22 2006 From: conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de (conrad =?iso-8859-1?q?berh=F6rster?=) Date: Fri Feb 17 12:41:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] capturing through plugins In-Reply-To: <43F5E3BF.2030203@branwelt.de> References: <200602171335.56189.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <43F5E3BF.2030203@branwelt.de> Message-ID: <200602171839.22972.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Hello Emanuel, thanks. do you have tested some surround configuration? sizu c~ Am Freitag 17 Februar 2006 15:54 schrieb Emanuel Rumpf: > conrad berh?rster wrote: > >somewhere, that it is possible through the alsa-jack plugin, since xine > > has alsa. the first step is to jackify xine. is there any experience with > > this topic. > > I've had some success with the /etc/asound.conf configuration below. > In gxine select the alsa driver and enter "jackplug" as output-device > (or "default", depending on what you choose) > However- I found, and wonder why, all this alsa plugin stuff is so badly > supported by many apps, > and unreliable ... gxine at least is an app, where it's working to some > degree.. > Test your configuration with: > aplay test.wav -D jackplug > > Emanuel > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Feb 17 13:24:54 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri Feb 17 13:28:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Crude In-Reply-To: <43F5CE83.7070302@rektau.ukfsn.org> References: <20060217053024.72749.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> <43F5CE83.7070302@rektau.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <200602171324.54707.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 17 February 2006 08:24, robin wrote: >Renato Fabbri wrote: >> I am migrating from win to linux. Did a little >> research for choosing my distro: >> >> Ubuntu is not good for low latency app untill now. >> Great efforts are on the way, but it is what it is. >> >> DeMuDi is not being updated (thats the rumor). > > > >The rumour is incorrect. > >There has been a change, Agnula Demudi is now a completely volunteer >project, but it is alive and development continues. > >robin And can be accessed at what url please? -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From robin at rektau.ukfsn.org Fri Feb 17 13:48:41 2006 From: robin at rektau.ukfsn.org (robin) Date: Fri Feb 17 13:48:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Crude In-Reply-To: <200602171324.54707.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <20060217053024.72749.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> <43F5CE83.7070302@rektau.ukfsn.org> <200602171324.54707.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <43F61A89.1030703@rektau.ukfsn.org> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 17 February 2006 08:24, robin wrote: >> Renato Fabbri wrote: >>> I am migrating from win to linux. Did a little >>> research for choosing my distro: >>> >>> Ubuntu is not good for low latency app untill now. >>> Great efforts are on the way, but it is what it is. >>> >>> DeMuDi is not being updated (thats the rumor). >> >> >> The rumour is incorrect. >> >> There has been a change, Agnula Demudi is now a completely volunteer >> project, but it is alive and development continues. >> >> robin > > And can be accessed at what url please? > Main site: demudi.agnula.org Development site provided, with thanks to Daniel James, at http://64studio.com/ Demudi repositories: deb http://demudi.agnula.org/packages/demudi/ testing main deb http://demudi.agnula.org/packages/demudi/ stable main Furthermore, thanks to Arnaud Gomes-do-Vale at IRCAM, we have a new mirror, located in Paris: http://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/demudi/ or ftp://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/demudi/ robin From x at branwelt.de Fri Feb 17 14:46:37 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Fri Feb 17 14:45:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] capturing through plugins In-Reply-To: <200602171839.22972.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> References: <200602171335.56189.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <43F5E3BF.2030203@branwelt.de> <200602171839.22972.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: <43F6281D.8070402@branwelt.de> conrad berh?rster wrote: >Hello Emanuel, >thanks. do you have tested some surround configuration? > > sorry, no haven't ( I think, this would require to add more playback-ports to pcm.jack ) Emanuel From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Fri Feb 17 15:17:11 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Feb 17 15:17:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: capturing through plugins In-Reply-To: <20060217142124.03D5B6878BC@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060217142124.03D5B6878BC@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: conrad berh?rster: > > Hello, > here is the next , hmmm, challenge. > i want to capture the audo output of xine, the Video player. I have read > somewhere, that it is possible through the alsa-jack plugin, since xine has > alsa. > so a possible way, i'm thinking of is > xine -> alsa-lib -> alsa-plugin -> jack -> myapp > > the first step is to jackify xine. is there any experience with this topic. > Sure, I do that all the time with libjackasyn. In my experience, xine with libjackasyn works much better than mplayer with jack output because mplayer doesn't do proper resampling. $ jackstart xine movie.avi (it goes thru esd which works just excellent with libjackasyn) http://gige.xdv.org/libjackasyn/ From core at jacklab.net Fri Feb 17 15:29:22 2006 From: core at jacklab.net (Michael Bohle) Date: Fri Feb 17 15:29:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006: JackLabMusic Message-ID: <1140208162.4929.10.camel@linux.site> Hi there, This first answer from the LAC jury about our music submission just reached me. They decided : We (me and some friends) can play there on the "Musikbalkon". JackLabMusic "A live experiment with some JackLab musicans" will performing on the ?Linux Sound Night? Linux Audio Conference 2006 Saturday Night, 29.April ZKM Karlsruhe http://lac.zkm.de/2006/ More information about this project with some audiosamples. http://jacklab.net/Wikka/wikka.php?wakka=JacklabMusic Michael www.jacklab.net - proAudio for openSUSE From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Fri Feb 17 15:32:02 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Fri Feb 17 15:31:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Crude In-Reply-To: <200602171324.54707.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200621712322.645798@winxp1> On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:24:54 -0500, Gene Heskett was like: >> There has been a change, Agnula Demudi is now a completely >> volunteer project, but it is alive and development continues. >> >> > And can be accessed at what url please? Try http://demudi.agnula.org/images/ Ruben From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Feb 17 16:18:06 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri Feb 17 16:18:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Crude In-Reply-To: <43F61A89.1030703@rektau.ukfsn.org> References: <20060217053024.72749.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> <200602171324.54707.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <43F61A89.1030703@rektau.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <200602171618.06646.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 17 February 2006 13:48, robin wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Friday 17 February 2006 08:24, robin wrote: >>> Renato Fabbri wrote: >>>> I am migrating from win to linux. Did a little >>>> research for choosing my distro: >>>> >>>> Ubuntu is not good for low latency app untill now. >>>> Great efforts are on the way, but it is what it is. >>>> >>>> DeMuDi is not being updated (thats the rumor). >>> >>> >>> >>> The rumour is incorrect. >>> >>> There has been a change, Agnula Demudi is now a completely >>> volunteer project, but it is alive and development continues. >>> >>> robin >> >> And can be accessed at what url please? > >Main site: demudi.agnula.org Thanks, got it. >Development site provided, with thanks to Daniel James, at >http://64studio.com/ > >Demudi repositories: > >deb http://demudi.agnula.org/packages/demudi/ testing main >deb http://demudi.agnula.org/packages/demudi/ stable main > >Furthermore, thanks to Arnaud Gomes-do-Vale at IRCAM, we have a new >mirror, located in Paris: > >http://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/demudi/ >or >ftp://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/demudi/ > >robin -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Fri Feb 17 16:44:15 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Fri Feb 17 16:44:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CCRMA and yum In-Reply-To: <20060216164756.voevod49k4w8008w@moon.aproximation.org> References: <20060214193921.bo6g56e6kgo8scco@moon.aproximation.org> <1140029795.9150.14.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060215115551.k12fjtzqgo4cc4c0@moon.aproximation.org> <1140036853.9150.48.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060215140402.bkhp7c9eyo04ckws@moon.aproximation.org> <1140133826.20437.51.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060216164756.voevod49k4w8008w@moon.aproximation.org> Message-ID: <1140212655.3439.71.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 16:47 -0800, thewade wrote: > Quoting Fernando Lopez-Lezcano : > [MUNCH] > >> > I still don't understand completely. Do you have xine-lib installed > >> > already? > >> > >> I have the livna xine-lib installed (so I can watch DVD's using xine): > >> xine-lib-1.1.1-0.lvn.3.4 > >> > >> > >> > Or is that what is triggering the problem when you try to > >> > install it? > >> > >> That is where I am confused. I just run "yum update" and it dies on > >> libavcodec and faad2. > > > > I'm confused as well. I'm not used to yum so I don't really know how to > > troubleshoot this. I can't make up my mind on which side is breaking > > things. > > > > Try removing the Planet CCRMA urls from the yum configuration file, and > > then doing a "yum update". > > I relocated my /etc/yum.repos.d/planetCCRMA.repo file and ran yum -y > update and a few things updated but nothing having to do with faad > ffmpeg. Everything worked fine. Then I moved the file back and ran > update again and I got the fault with libavcodec and faad2 again. > I will attach the whole of the yum execution below. > Thanks again for helping me out on this. > -thewade > > yum -y update > Setting up Update Process > Setting up repositories > planetccrma 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > os 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > planetcore 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > planetedge 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > updates 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 110 kB 00:00 > planetccrm: ################################################## 400/400 > Added 3 new packages, deleted 0 old in 1.22 seconds > Resolving Dependencies > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Package pam.i386 0:0.79-9.6.2.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > ---> Package alsa-lib.i386 0:1.0.10-3.2.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > ---> Package pam-devel.i386 0:0.79-9.6.2.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > ---> Package wxGTK-common.i386 0:2.4.2-12.1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > ---> Package imlib2.i386 0:1.2.0-8.fc4.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > ---> Package wxGTK2.i386 0:2.4.2-12.1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > ---> Package libid3tag.i386 0:0.15.1b-3.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > ---> Package faad2.i386 0:2.0-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > ---> Package ffmpeg.i386 0:0.4.9-0.1.20050427.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated These two are probably the culprit, conflicting versions between livna and Planet CCRMA. I wonder what would happen if you exclude them from the update. Something else will probably not be able to be updated. You could use the "--exclude" keyword in yum, I guess. > ---> Package kino.i386 0:0.7.6-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > ---> Package alsa-lib-devel.i386 0:1.0.10-3.2.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > ---> Package audacity.i386 0:1.2.4b-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > ---> Package a52dec.i386 0:0.7.4-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > ---> Package libmad.i386 0:0.15.1b-3.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > ---> Package alsa-utils.i386 0:1.0.10-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > ---> Package vcdimager.i386 0:0.7.23-2.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > ---> Package libsndfile.i386 0:1.0.11-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > ---> Package libquicktime.i586 0:0.9.7-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 for package: xine-lib > --> Processing Dependency: libpostproc.so.0 for package: ffmpeg > --> Processing Dependency: alsa-driver for package: alsa-lib > --> Processing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 for package: xmms-faad2 > --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Package libpostproc.i386 0:0.4.9-0.1.20050427.rhfc4.ccrma set to > be updated The one above may also be a source of problems... > ---> Package alsa-driver.i686 0:1.0.10-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 for package: xine-lib > --> Processing Dependency: kernel-module-alsa = 1.0.10-1.rhfc4.ccrma > for package: alsa-driver > --> Processing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 for package: xmms-faad2 Looks like xxms-faad2 is driving the update of faad2? > --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Package kernel-module-alsa-2.6.14-0.10.rrt.rhfc4.ccrma.i686 > 0:1.0.10-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 for package: xine-lib > --> Processing Dependency: kernel-2.6.14-0.10.rrt.rhfc4.ccrma-i686 for > package: kernel-module-alsa-2.6.14-0.10.rrt.rhfc4.ccrma > --> Processing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 for package: xmms-faad2 > --> Processing Dependency: kernel = 2.6.14-0.10.rrt.rhfc4.ccrma for > package: kernel-module-alsa-2.6.14-0.10.rrt.rhfc4.ccrma > --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Package kernel.i686 0:2.6.14-0.10.rrt.rhfc4.ccrma set to be installed > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 for package: xine-lib > --> Processing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 for package: xmms-faad2 > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > Error: Missing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 is needed by package xine-lib > Error: Missing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 is needed by package > xmms-faad2 You could try yum with --exclude ffmpeg --exclude faad2 to see what happens. -- Fernando From emanuele at rumoridifondo.com Fri Feb 17 17:53:21 2006 From: emanuele at rumoridifondo.com (emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::..) Date: Fri Feb 17 17:53:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ingo molnar patch on mandriva's kernel In-Reply-To: <20060215220314.CA70E654DD2@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060215220314.CA70E654DD2@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <43F653E1.9020403@rumoridifondo.com> thank you all. i wanted to hear that mandriva's kernel does its job right. i don't have any schedutils rpm in mandriva's repository so i'll try to build it from source. bye emanuele > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Oggetto: > Re: [linux-audio-user] ingo molnar patch on mandriva's kernel > Da: > Kevin Cosgrove > Data: > Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:55:53 -0800 > A: > A list for linux audio users > > A: > A list for linux audio users > > >On 15 February 2006 at 20:40, "emanuele ..:: www.rumoridifondo.com ::.." wrote: > >[..] > >It's just an illustration >that the Mandrake multimedia kernel is doing its job right. > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Feb 17 18:46:00 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Feb 17 18:46:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: asoundrc and aplay In-Reply-To: <2def88b80602161314j15224008m@mail.gmail.com> References: <200602161308.12643.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <20060216145348.GA11024@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> <200602161823.42465.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <2def88b80602161314j15224008m@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1140219960.2733.106.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 22:14 +0100, Arnold Krille wrote: > I just want to add another trick I learned from my hardware-dealer who > syncs ISDN-cards: Maybe its not enough to just couple their clocks, > they also change the driver to mask the IRQ's from the slave cards and > just react on the master-IRQ and then the driver automaticly > proccesses the data on all cards. > Speaking in the audio-speach of el-cheapo-multichannel: It's not > enough to solder the crystals together, there may be a need to modifiy > the driver. Of course this would make a new soundcard out of it which > exposes its multi-channels to jack directly through the > alsa-interface, no need for .asoundrc-fiddling... > I haven't tested that but I think if it works for ISDN-cards it should > work with soundcards too. Sounds good, if your time has no value. Why not just buy a multichannel card, they are cheap these days?!? Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Feb 17 18:47:18 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Feb 17 18:47:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] asoundrc and aplay In-Reply-To: <200602170154.59582.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> References: <200602161308.12643.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <20060216145348.GA11024@ifiu25.informatik.uni-halle.de> <200602170154.59582.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1140220039.2733.108.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 01:54 +0100, conrad berh?rster wrote: > buuuuuttttt: the default of aplay is hw:0,0 . on my first card, the > first > subdevice is an mono channel. so, what puzzles me is the fact, that > aplay test.wav is ok but aplay -D hw:0,0 test.wav gives me this > error. > Wrong, the default of aplay is "default". Lee From pdman at aproximation.org Fri Feb 17 20:35:45 2006 From: pdman at aproximation.org (thewade) Date: Fri Feb 17 20:34:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CCRMA and yum In-Reply-To: <1140212655.3439.71.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <20060214193921.bo6g56e6kgo8scco@moon.aproximation.org> <1140029795.9150.14.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060215115551.k12fjtzqgo4cc4c0@moon.aproximation.org> <1140036853.9150.48.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060215140402.bkhp7c9eyo04ckws@moon.aproximation.org> <1140133826.20437.51.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060216164756.voevod49k4w8008w@moon.aproximation.org> <1140212655.3439.71.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20060217173545.k3b1jvhjk8kswwso@moon.aproximation.org> Quoting Fernando Lopez-Lezcano : > On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 16:47 -0800, thewade wrote: >> Quoting Fernando Lopez-Lezcano : >> [MUNCH] >> >> > I still don't understand completely. Do you have xine-lib installed >> >> > already? >> >> >> >> I have the livna xine-lib installed (so I can watch DVD's using xine): >> >> xine-lib-1.1.1-0.lvn.3.4 >> >> >> >> >> >> > Or is that what is triggering the problem when you try to >> >> > install it? >> >> >> >> That is where I am confused. I just run "yum update" and it dies on >> >> libavcodec and faad2. >> > >> > I'm confused as well. I'm not used to yum so I don't really know how to >> > troubleshoot this. I can't make up my mind on which side is breaking >> > things. >> > >> > Try removing the Planet CCRMA urls from the yum configuration file, and >> > then doing a "yum update". >> >> I relocated my /etc/yum.repos.d/planetCCRMA.repo file and ran yum -y >> update and a few things updated but nothing having to do with faad >> ffmpeg. Everything worked fine. Then I moved the file back and ran >> update again and I got the fault with libavcodec and faad2 again. >> I will attach the whole of the yum execution below. >> Thanks again for helping me out on this. >> -thewade >> >> yum -y update >> Setting up Update Process >> Setting up repositories >> planetccrma 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 >> os 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 >> planetcore 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 >> planetedge 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 >> updates 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 >> Reading repository metadata in from local files >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 110 kB 00:00 >> planetccrm: ################################################## 400/400 >> Added 3 new packages, deleted 0 old in 1.22 seconds >> Resolving Dependencies >> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. >> ---> Package pam.i386 0:0.79-9.6.2.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated >> ---> Package alsa-lib.i386 0:1.0.10-3.2.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated >> ---> Package pam-devel.i386 0:0.79-9.6.2.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated >> ---> Package wxGTK-common.i386 0:2.4.2-12.1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated >> ---> Package imlib2.i386 0:1.2.0-8.fc4.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated >> ---> Package wxGTK2.i386 0:2.4.2-12.1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated >> ---> Package libid3tag.i386 0:0.15.1b-3.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > >> ---> Package faad2.i386 0:2.0-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated >> ---> Package ffmpeg.i386 0:0.4.9-0.1.20050427.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated > > These two are probably the culprit, conflicting versions between livna > and Planet CCRMA. > > I wonder what would happen if you exclude them from the update. > Something else will probably not be able to be updated. You could use > the "--exclude" keyword in yum, I guess. > >> ---> Package kino.i386 0:0.7.6-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated >> ---> Package alsa-lib-devel.i386 0:1.0.10-3.2.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated >> ---> Package audacity.i386 0:1.2.4b-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated >> ---> Package a52dec.i386 0:0.7.4-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated >> ---> Package libmad.i386 0:0.15.1b-3.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated >> ---> Package alsa-utils.i386 0:1.0.10-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated >> ---> Package vcdimager.i386 0:0.7.23-2.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated >> ---> Package libsndfile.i386 0:1.0.11-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated >> ---> Package libquicktime.i586 0:0.9.7-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated >> --> Running transaction check >> --> Processing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 for package: xine-lib >> --> Processing Dependency: libpostproc.so.0 for package: ffmpeg >> --> Processing Dependency: alsa-driver for package: alsa-lib >> --> Processing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 for package: xmms-faad2 >> --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. >> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > >> ---> Package libpostproc.i386 0:0.4.9-0.1.20050427.rhfc4.ccrma set to >> be updated > > The one above may also be a source of problems... > >> ---> Package alsa-driver.i686 0:1.0.10-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated >> --> Running transaction check >> --> Processing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 for package: xine-lib >> --> Processing Dependency: kernel-module-alsa = 1.0.10-1.rhfc4.ccrma >> for package: alsa-driver >> --> Processing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 for package: xmms-faad2 > > Looks like xxms-faad2 is driving the update of faad2? > >> --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. >> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. >> ---> Package kernel-module-alsa-2.6.14-0.10.rrt.rhfc4.ccrma.i686 >> 0:1.0.10-1.rhfc4.ccrma set to be updated >> --> Running transaction check >> --> Processing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 for package: xine-lib >> --> Processing Dependency: kernel-2.6.14-0.10.rrt.rhfc4.ccrma-i686 for >> package: kernel-module-alsa-2.6.14-0.10.rrt.rhfc4.ccrma >> --> Processing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 for package: xmms-faad2 >> --> Processing Dependency: kernel = 2.6.14-0.10.rrt.rhfc4.ccrma for >> package: kernel-module-alsa-2.6.14-0.10.rrt.rhfc4.ccrma >> --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. >> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. >> ---> Package kernel.i686 0:2.6.14-0.10.rrt.rhfc4.ccrma set to be installed >> --> Running transaction check >> --> Processing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 for package: xine-lib >> --> Processing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 for package: xmms-faad2 >> --> Finished Dependency Resolution >> Error: Missing Dependency: libavcodec.so.51 is needed by package xine-lib >> Error: Missing Dependency: faad2 = 0:2.0-0.lvn.5.4 is needed by package >> xmms-faad2 > > You could try yum with --exclude ffmpeg --exclude faad2 to see what > happens. Well, that update worked! So just so I know what is going on: (1)Livna's versions of ffmpeg and faad2 are newer then ccrma's, but for some reason yum thinks ccrma's are newer...? Or are ccrma's files newer and livna can only handle an exact version number...? (2)Do you think this will this affect pd-Gem at all? Thanks again for all the help! I am excited to try this new kernel out, but now I must rebuild nDisWrapper (which doesn't work for me yet anyway) and ati-fglrx (which hasn't visibly improved video performance for me yet). I will now add "options realtime gid=xxx" (right? Oh, I'll figure it out... you've already helped me enough!) Thanks again! -thewade From renatoftato at yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 22:05:31 2006 From: renatoftato at yahoo.com (Renato Fabbri) Date: Fri Feb 17 22:05:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio apps In-Reply-To: <20060217173545.k3b1jvhjk8kswwso@moon.aproximation.org> Message-ID: <20060218030531.93520.qmail@web52301.mail.yahoo.com> I received a list of cool audio apps. I am passing on to share and so I can get some comments (want to know your favorities): Audio editors (a la cooledit): Audacity - http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Snd - http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/software/ Multichannel recorder (a la protools): Ardour - http://ardour.sourceforge.net/ Graphic programing (a la max): PD - http://iem.kug.ac.at/pd/ e http://www.pure-data.org/about/ Sequencers (a la cubase ou logic): MusE - http://muse.seh.de/ Rosegarden - http://www.all-day-breakfast.com/rosegarden/ Synthesis (a la csound): Csound :-) http://csounds.com/ Effects (??): ecasound - http://www.wakkanet.fi/~kaiv/ecasound/ jack rack - http://pkl.net/~node/jack-rack.html freqtweak - http://freqtweak.sourceforge.net/ Algorithmic Composition: CommonMusic - http://commonmusic.sourceforge.net/doc/index.html AthenaCL - http://www.flexatone.com/athena.html server for real time apps jack - http://jackit.sourceforge.net/ Where you can find everything in linux made for audio: http://linux-sound.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kevinc at doink.com Fri Feb 17 23:17:49 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Fri Feb 17 23:17:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio apps In-Reply-To: <20060218030531.93520.qmail@web52301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060218041749.F01534068@joseph.doink.com> On 17 February 2006 at 19:05, Renato Fabbri wrote: > Audio editors (a la cooledit): > Audacity - http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ > Snd - http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/software/ I primarily use audacity. Snd I use for its real-time tempo adjustment. I use SoX when I want to automate something. > Multichannel recorder (a la protools): > Ardour - http://ardour.sourceforge.net/ Ardour is clearly the best DAW I've used, including some I've used from Roland. > Sequencers (a la cubase ou logic): > MusE - http://muse.seh.de/ I haven't been able to get MusE to work for me > Rosegarden - > http://www.all-day-breakfast.com/rosegarden/ Rosegarden is the best I've used, although I really, really miss the harmony browser in Jazz++. > Effects (??): I use LADSPA plugins. > server for real time apps > jack - http://jackit.sourceforge.net/ Jack is a must for audio recording. -- Kevin From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Feb 17 23:27:04 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Feb 17 23:27:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Guitar amp Message-ID: <1140236824.2733.186.camel@mindpipe> I've been meaning to replace my dead amp, and was thinking of getting a Twin Reverb or a Jazz Chorus, but my apartment is just too small. Does anyone have a smallish amp with a really nice sound, of comparable quality to the above two, that they would recommend? I don't really like the way Marshalls sound. Lee From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 23:38:53 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Fri Feb 17 23:38:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Guitar amp In-Reply-To: <1140236824.2733.186.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060218043853.74185.qmail@web52614.mail.yahoo.com> Have you looked at Behringer amps? I have a GX212 Ultra Twin with headphone out, effects send/receive, tape in/tape out, line in/line out, and even a switch to disconnect the speakers. Also, take a look at the Behringer V-Amp Pro. In addition to a headphone jack, it has line, digital, and balanced outputs to feed into an amp, computer, or directly into a mixer. --- Lee Revell wrote: > I've been meaning to replace my dead amp, and was > thinking of getting a > Twin Reverb or a Jazz Chorus, but my apartment is > just too small. > > Does anyone have a smallish amp with a really nice > sound, of comparable > quality to the above two, that they would recommend? > I don't really > like the way Marshalls sound. > > Lee > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Feb 17 23:49:49 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Feb 17 23:49:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Guitar amp In-Reply-To: <20060218043853.74185.qmail@web52614.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060218043853.74185.qmail@web52614.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1140238189.2733.191.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 20:38 -0800, Sean Edwards wrote: > Have you looked at Behringer amps? I have a GX212 > Ultra Twin with headphone out, effects send/receive, > tape in/tape out, line in/line out, and even a switch > to disconnect the speakers. > > Also, take a look at the Behringer V-Amp Pro. In > addition to a headphone jack, it has line, digital, > and balanced outputs to feed into an amp, computer, or > directly into a mixer. What it is a copy of? ;-) Seriously, I'm not knocking Behringer, but a friend who's very knowledgeable about gear told me all their stuff is basically knockoffs, and the end result is sometimes great, sometimes iffy, Anyway I was looking for something with 1 12" - I think a 2x12 is a little big for this place. Lee From renatoftato at yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 23:59:44 2006 From: renatoftato at yahoo.com (Renato Fabbri) Date: Fri Feb 17 23:59:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux DAW otimization (and Kanotix) In-Reply-To: <20060218030531.93520.qmail@web52301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060218045944.76146.qmail@web52315.mail.yahoo.com> I intend usind real time apps like PD to process sounds captured by mics and spacialise them.. that old thing. Of course I need other softs to compose and make sounds, but that?s not the goal. How can I optimize my OS to get lower lattency? My my processor is a P4 3,4 HT, 1Gb ram ddr2, and my card is a m-audio Delta 66. I am testing some distros and Kanotix just caused me a great impression. It?s fast, clean, functional. For now I intend using it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From renatoftato at yahoo.com