From roberts.noah at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 00:42:43 2006 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Sun Jan 1 00:44:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? Message-ID: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> I bought a wireless PCMCIA card and had the oddest things happen when I load the module. As soon as I do that it seems like all programs get put on hold. When I move the mouse or press a key on the keyboard they activate. For instance, if mozilla is loading a site you have to move the mouse all over the place or it just hangs there doing nothing ... not even an indicator. The text input cursor in applications stays in the on/off value it was in and starts blinking again when you move the mouse. Trying to get out of X and reboot is not possible because the whole system hangs as soon as it stops listening to the mouse and keyboard. This consistently happens when that driver is loaded but I thought maybe it could be RT related? AFAICT the threads for the IRQs the card is on are not currently set high ... though until I let emerge mess up my system I think it would have because I believe that is the same IRQ for my soundcard. Anyway, I have never seen this type of thing happen. It seems obviously to be an interrupt based issue (like unless the mouse or keyboard interrupts the system the kernel seems to get stuck trying to talk with the card or something) so right now I am wondering about the RT patch. What do you guys think? From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 1 02:02:46 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 1 02:02:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 21:42 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > I bought a wireless PCMCIA card and had the oddest things happen when > I load the module. Which module? Do you have latency tracing enabled? If so what does it say? Can you test without the RT patch? Lee From harri at jethro.dyndns.org Sun Jan 1 13:18:20 2006 From: harri at jethro.dyndns.org (Harri Tuomela) Date: Sun Jan 1 13:18:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help: Audiotrak Maya 44 USB doesn't work Message-ID: <20060101181820.GB4913@jethro.dyndns.org> Hi! I'm trying to get Audiotrak Maya 44 USB audio interface [1] working on Debian Sarge machine (alsa 1.0.8). When I plug in the device, the following messages are written into /var/log/kern.log: usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 9 snd-usb-audio: probe of 1-2:1.0 failed with error -5 hiddev96: USB HID v1.00 Device [AUDIOTRAK MAYA44 USB] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-2 /proc/bus/usb/devices: T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=01 Cnt=01 Dev#= 7 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 D: Ver= 1.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=0a92 ProdID=0091 Rev= 1.00 S: Manufacturer=AUDIOTRAK S: Product=MAYA44 USB C:* #Ifs= 4 Cfg#= 1 Atr=00 MxPwr=250mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 0 Cls=01(audio) Sub=01 Prot=00 Driver=(none) I: If#= 1 Alt= 0 #EPs= 0 Cls=01(audio) Sub=02 Prot=00 Driver=snd-usb-audio I: If#= 1 Alt= 1 #EPs= 1 Cls=01(audio) Sub=02 Prot=00 Driver=snd-usb-audio E: Ad=01(O) Atr=09(Isoc) MxPS= 384 Ivl=1ms I: If#= 2 Alt= 0 #EPs= 0 Cls=01(audio) Sub=02 Prot=00 Driver=snd-usb-audio I: If#= 2 Alt= 1 #EPs= 1 Cls=01(audio) Sub=02 Prot=00 Driver=snd-usb-audio E: Ad=82(I) Atr=0d(Isoc) MxPS= 384 Ivl=1ms I: If#= 3 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=03(HID ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=usbhid E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 8 Ivl=16ms The interface is not found by alsa. Only machine's built-in audio chip is in /proc/asound/cards: 0 [I82801DBICH4 ]: ICH - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Intel 82801DB-ICH4 at 0xa0100000, irq 11 Actually, alsaconf does not find the device either. What's wrong? Someone else has definetly got it working somehow [2]. -Harri [1] http://www.audiotrak.net/maya44usb.htm [2] http://elists.resynthesize.com/linux-audio-users/2005/01/1312611/ From markus at herhoffer.net Sun Jan 1 14:51:14 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Sun Jan 1 13:42:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help: Audiotrak Maya 44 USB doesn't work In-Reply-To: <20060101181820.GB4913@jethro.dyndns.org> References: <20060101181820.GB4913@jethro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <43B832B2.8010502@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello! I have it working under Gentoo. The Maya 44 USB works with the module "snd-usb-audio". But you should check the settings for your hotplugd. I had the problem that hotplug tried to manage the soundcard but it was not able to configure it properly. After disabeling this the card worked perfectly. CU Markus http://d135-1r43.de Harri Tuomela wrote: > Hi! > > I'm trying to get Audiotrak Maya 44 USB audio interface [1] working on > Debian Sarge machine (alsa 1.0.8). > > When I plug in the device, the following messages are written into > /var/log/kern.log: > > usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 9 > snd-usb-audio: probe of 1-2:1.0 failed with error -5 > hiddev96: USB HID v1.00 Device [AUDIOTRAK MAYA44 USB] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-2 > > /proc/bus/usb/devices: > > T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=01 Cnt=01 Dev#= 7 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 > D: Ver= 1.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs= 1 > P: Vendor=0a92 ProdID=0091 Rev= 1.00 > S: Manufacturer=AUDIOTRAK > S: Product=MAYA44 USB > C:* #Ifs= 4 Cfg#= 1 Atr=00 MxPwr=250mA > I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 0 Cls=01(audio) Sub=01 Prot=00 Driver=(none) > I: If#= 1 Alt= 0 #EPs= 0 Cls=01(audio) Sub=02 Prot=00 Driver=snd-usb-audio > I: If#= 1 Alt= 1 #EPs= 1 Cls=01(audio) Sub=02 Prot=00 Driver=snd-usb-audio > E: Ad=01(O) Atr=09(Isoc) MxPS= 384 Ivl=1ms > I: If#= 2 Alt= 0 #EPs= 0 Cls=01(audio) Sub=02 Prot=00 Driver=snd-usb-audio > I: If#= 2 Alt= 1 #EPs= 1 Cls=01(audio) Sub=02 Prot=00 Driver=snd-usb-audio > E: Ad=82(I) Atr=0d(Isoc) MxPS= 384 Ivl=1ms > I: If#= 3 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=03(HID ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=usbhid > E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 8 Ivl=16ms > > The interface is not found by alsa. Only machine's built-in audio chip > is in /proc/asound/cards: > > 0 [I82801DBICH4 ]: ICH - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 > Intel 82801DB-ICH4 at 0xa0100000, irq 11 > > Actually, alsaconf does not find the device either. > > What's wrong? Someone else has definetly got it working somehow [2]. > > -Harri > > [1] http://www.audiotrak.net/maya44usb.htm > [2] http://elists.resynthesize.com/linux-audio-users/2005/01/1312611/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDuDKy4ihw6BWdedERAv7jAJ0VXYRIR46M3eJLmtfcqErJDhgVFwCgwxOD 1TMf6LuenlP/sqRkaPDomYQ= =V0jp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From roberts.noah at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 13:48:31 2006 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Sun Jan 1 13:48:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> On 12/31/05, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 21:42 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > > I bought a wireless PCMCIA card and had the oddest things happen when > > I load the module. > > Which module? rt2500 > > Do you have latency tracing enabled? If so what does it say? Can you > test without the RT patch? I believe I have tracing enabled but I have no idea how to find out what it says. I suppose I could recomp the kernel w/o RT. It will take a while though, I have to download the clean source again. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 1 14:08:51 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 1 14:08:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 10:48 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > On 12/31/05, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 21:42 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > > > I bought a wireless PCMCIA card and had the oddest things happen when > > > I load the module. > > > > Which module? > > rt2500 I don't see this in the kernel source tree. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 1 14:09:51 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 1 14:09:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1136142592.13079.58.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 10:48 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > > > > Do you have latency tracing enabled? If so what does it say? Can > you > > test without the RT patch? > > I believe I have tracing enabled but I have no idea how to find out > what it says. > As root, echo 0 > /proc/sys/kern/preempt_max_latency Then do something to reproduce the hangs/pauses, then post the contents of /proc/latency_trace. Lee From ce at christeck.de Sun Jan 1 14:37:55 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Jan 1 14:36:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help: Audiotrak Maya 44 USB doesn't work In-Reply-To: <20060101181820.GB4913@jethro.dyndns.org> References: <20060101181820.GB4913@jethro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200601012037.55425.ce@christeck.de> > hiddev96: USB HID v1.00 Device your hotplug thinks it is a HID device (mice, keyboards etc.). I'm sure the device registers as HID device on the bus to prvent windows to load the USB audio driver. On Linux, simply do a modprobe snd_usb_audio and check cat /proc/asound/cards and I bet you're in business. If so, adjust your hotplug scripts or ensure snd_usb_audio gets loaded statically during machine boot. Best regards ce From sstubbs at shout.net Sun Jan 1 08:32:57 2006 From: sstubbs at shout.net (The Other) Date: Sun Jan 1 14:36:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Hardware Question-- Is this a 64bit system? In-Reply-To: <43B6CB16.2060406@gmx.de> References: <200512311106.55589.sstubbs@shout.net> <43B6CB16.2060406@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200601011332.57279.sstubbs@shout.net> On Saturday 31 December 2005 06:16 pm, Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > The Other schrieb: > >I bought a recycled HP x4000 Workstation with dual Intel Xeon > >processors and Intel 860 Chipset. (Came with no manuals or any > >software.) > > Maybe it is. > It is if the XEON's are new enough. > > BUT: the 860 is an pretty old intel chipset (iirc the professional > version of the 850), so chances very are high that your XEONS are > pretty old and do _not_ support 64bit. > > if your xeons have less than 2.8 GHz, they are for sure not 64bit > capable. Hello Thomas, Thanks you very much for your reply. The Xeon's are 1.8GHz, the system was first introduced in 2001, and your analysis leads me to believe it's a 32bit system. You've been most helpful, and saved me lots of time from being wasted. Best Regards, Stephen. From harri at jethro.dyndns.org Sun Jan 1 15:11:38 2006 From: harri at jethro.dyndns.org (Harri Tuomela) Date: Sun Jan 1 15:11:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help: Audiotrak Maya 44 USB doesn't work In-Reply-To: <200601012037.55425.ce@christeck.de> References: <20060101181820.GB4913@jethro.dyndns.org> <200601012037.55425.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20060101201138.GA6428@jethro.dyndns.org> On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 08:37:55PM +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > > hiddev96: USB HID v1.00 Device > > the device registers as HID device on the bus to prvent windows to load > the USB audio driver. > > On Linux, simply do a > > modprobe snd_usb_audio > and check > cat /proc/asound/cards > > and I bet you're in business. Thanks! However, it does not seem to help: ~# modprobe -v snd_usb_audio install modprobe --ignore-install snd-usb-audio && /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-usb-audio insmod /lib/modules/2.6.8/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko index=1 vid=0x0a92 pid=0x0091 ~# cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [I82801DBICH4 ]: ICH - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Intel 82801DB-ICH4 at 0xa0100000, irq 11 ~# Before that I removed the hotplug configured module from kernel. -Harri From roberts.noah at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 15:18:59 2006 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Sun Jan 1 15:19:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <567aa5f60601011218g16250a04hc02f807d55e6cea6@mail.gmail.com> On 1/1/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 10:48 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > > On 12/31/05, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 21:42 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > > > > I bought a wireless PCMCIA card and had the oddest things happen when > > > > I load the module. > > > > > > Which module? > > > > rt2500 > > I don't see this in the kernel source tree. You can get it at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com as it isn't part of the mainline kernel but is a special driver for this PCMCIA card. The module I posted about was a different one (the one I tested before was actually the rt2500 driver, the latest beta is supposed to be a catch all for any version of these chipsets), but I just tried this one too and it did the same thing to me so the problem is the same. I am upgrading to the latest and greatest version of everything to see if this helps. I had other RT problems with this kernel anyway. Also, I apparently didn't set the trace options as those files didn't exist for me. Big windstorm brewing too...might not get to finish today (power might go out). I'll post more when I can. Thanks for helping. From harri at jethro.dyndns.org Sun Jan 1 15:29:37 2006 From: harri at jethro.dyndns.org (Harri Tuomela) Date: Sun Jan 1 15:29:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help: Audiotrak Maya 44 USB doesn't work In-Reply-To: <43B832B2.8010502@herhoffer.net> References: <20060101181820.GB4913@jethro.dyndns.org> <43B832B2.8010502@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <20060101202937.GB6428@jethro.dyndns.org> On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 07:51:14PM +0000, Markus Herhoffer wrote: > > I had the problem that hotplug tried to manage the soundcard but it > was not able to configure it properly. After disabeling this the card > worked perfectly. Hi again! I removed the hotplug configured module from kernel and tried to install it manually: :~# insmod /lib/modules/2.6.8/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko index=1 vid=0x0a92 pid=0x0091 However, the device does not seem to appear in /proc/asound/cards. -Harri From ce at christeck.de Sun Jan 1 15:43:17 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Jan 1 15:41:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help: Audiotrak Maya 44 USB doesn't work In-Reply-To: <20060101201138.GA6428@jethro.dyndns.org> References: <20060101181820.GB4913@jethro.dyndns.org> <200601012037.55425.ce@christeck.de> <20060101201138.GA6428@jethro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200601012143.17289.ce@christeck.de> Hm, > Thanks! However, it does not seem to help: > > ~# modprobe -v snd_usb_audio > install modprobe --ignore-install snd-usb-audio && > /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-usb-audio insmod > /lib/modules/2.6.8/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko index=1 > vid=0x0a92 pid=0x0091 ~# cat /proc/asound/cards > 0 [I82801DBICH4 ? ]: ICH - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Intel 82801DB-ICH4 at 0xa0100000, irq 11 > ~# > > Before that I removed the hotplug configured module from kernel. can't really help you on this issue, but I successfully ran a Terratec Aureon USB until I bought a better device. The Aureon is somehow very similar to the Maya. THe only thing I see is that you run a 2.6.8 while I always used a 2.6.10; maybe snd_usb_audio didn't know the Maya in 2.6.8? Best regards ce From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 1 15:48:20 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 1 15:48:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60601011218g16250a04hc02f807d55e6cea6@mail.gmail.com> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011218g16250a04hc02f807d55e6cea6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 12:18 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > On 1/1/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 10:48 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > > > On 12/31/05, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 21:42 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > > > > > I bought a wireless PCMCIA card and had the oddest things happen when > > > > > I load the module. > > > > > > > > Which module? > > > > > > rt2500 > > > > I don't see this in the kernel source tree. > > You can get it at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com as it isn't part of > the mainline kernel but is a special driver for this PCMCIA card. The > module I posted about was a different one (the one I tested before was > actually the rt2500 driver, the latest beta is supposed to be a catch > all for any version of these chipsets), but I just tried this one too > and it did the same thing to me so the problem is the same. > > I am upgrading to the latest and greatest version of everything to see > if this helps. I had other RT problems with this kernel anyway. > Also, I apparently didn't set the trace options as those files didn't > exist for me. Big windstorm brewing too...might not get to finish > today (power might go out). I'll post more when I can. Thanks for > helping. > That driver looks like a piece of junk. It's clearly a quick and dirty port of Windows code (the comments refer to running in "DPC context" and IRQ priority levels which do not exist on Linux). And there seems to be nothing stopping it from doing a LOT of work in (soft) IRQ context, like decryption. I don't understand why these developers would choose to develop their driver outside the Linux kernel. It obviously will need a LOT of work to be mergeable. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 1 16:25:55 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 1 16:25:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011218g16250a04hc02f807d55e6cea6@mail.gmail.com> <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1136150756.13079.72.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 15:48 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 12:18 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > > On 1/1/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 10:48 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > > > > On 12/31/05, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 21:42 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > > > > > > I bought a wireless PCMCIA card and had the oddest things happen when > > > > > > I load the module. > > > > > > > > > > Which module? > > > > > > > > rt2500 > > > > > > I don't see this in the kernel source tree. > > > > You can get it at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com as it isn't part of > > the mainline kernel but is a special driver for this PCMCIA card. The > > module I posted about was a different one (the one I tested before was > > actually the rt2500 driver, the latest beta is supposed to be a catch > > all for any version of these chipsets), but I just tried this one too > > and it did the same thing to me so the problem is the same. > > > > I am upgrading to the latest and greatest version of everything to see > > if this helps. I had other RT problems with this kernel anyway. > > Also, I apparently didn't set the trace options as those files didn't > > exist for me. Big windstorm brewing too...might not get to finish > > today (power might go out). I'll post more when I can. Thanks for > > helping. > > > > That driver looks like a piece of junk. It's clearly a quick and dirty > port of Windows code (the comments refer to running in "DPC context" and > IRQ priority levels which do not exist on Linux). And there seems to be > nothing stopping it from doing a LOT of work in (soft) IRQ context, like > decryption. > > I don't understand why these developers would choose to develop their > driver outside the Linux kernel. It obviously will need a LOT of work > to be mergeable. > It seems that the developers agree with me that the current driver is garbage. The version you are using is not developed anymore. Upon further inspection, rather than use a Linux bottom half mechanism like workqueues, tasklets, or softirqs to perform the work that the comments say should be done in DPC context, it just runs them all in hardirq context with interrupts disabled. This would certainly make it a problem for use in low latency systems. Maybe you can try the beta driver: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Rt2x00_beta Lee From alberto.botti at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 16:29:05 2006 From: alberto.botti at gmail.com (Alberto Botti) Date: Sun Jan 1 16:29:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011218g16250a04hc02f807d55e6cea6@mail.gmail.com> <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1136150945.10865.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Il giorno dom, 01/01/2006 alle 15.48 -0500, Lee Revell ha scritto: > That driver looks like a piece of junk. It's clearly a quick and dirty > port of Windows code (the comments refer to running in "DPC context" and > IRQ priority levels which do not exist on Linux). And there seems to be > nothing stopping it from doing a LOT of work in (soft) IRQ context, like > decryption. > > I don't understand why these developers would choose to develop their > driver outside the Linux kernel. It obviously will need a LOT of work > to be mergeable. The current driver (divided into rt2400 and rt2500) was developed externally by Ralink and later relicensed under the GPL, and it's probably a direct port of their Windows driver. The rt2x00 developers are currently rewriting the entire codebase (under the name rt2x00 Open Source Project), bringing it closer to inclusion in the mainstream kernel. Don't forget that Ralink cards are some of the better supported wireless interfaces available for Linux, having a completely GPL driver which doesn't need external binary firmware. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 1 16:31:27 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 1 16:31:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011218g16250a04hc02f807d55e6cea6@mail.gmail.com> <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1136151088.13079.74.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 15:48 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 12:18 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > > On 1/1/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 10:48 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > > > > On 12/31/05, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 21:42 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > > > > > > I bought a wireless PCMCIA card and had the oddest things happen when > > > > > > I load the module. > > > > > > > > > > Which module? > > > > > > > > rt2500 > > > > > > I don't see this in the kernel source tree. > > > > You can get it at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com as it isn't part of > > the mainline kernel but is a special driver for this PCMCIA card. The > > module I posted about was a different one (the one I tested before was > > actually the rt2500 driver, the latest beta is supposed to be a catch > > all for any version of these chipsets), but I just tried this one too > > and it did the same thing to me so the problem is the same. > > > > I am upgrading to the latest and greatest version of everything to see > > if this helps. I had other RT problems with this kernel anyway. > > Also, I apparently didn't set the trace options as those files didn't > > exist for me. Big windstorm brewing too...might not get to finish > > today (power might go out). I'll post more when I can. Thanks for > > helping. > > > > That driver looks like a piece of junk. It's clearly a quick and dirty > port of Windows code (the comments refer to running in "DPC context" and > IRQ priority levels which do not exist on Linux). And there seems to be > nothing stopping it from doing a LOT of work in (soft) IRQ context, like > decryption. > > I don't understand why these developers would choose to develop their > driver outside the Linux kernel. It obviously will need a LOT of work > to be mergeable. > Sorry wrong link in the last message. This the driver you should be using: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/rt2400/rt2x00-2.0.0-b3.tar.gz?download Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 1 16:39:23 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 1 16:39:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <1136150945.10865.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011218g16250a04hc02f807d55e6cea6@mail.gmail.com> <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> <1136150945.10865.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1136151564.13079.80.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 22:29 +0100, Alberto Botti wrote: > Il giorno dom, 01/01/2006 alle 15.48 -0500, Lee Revell ha scritto: > > That driver looks like a piece of junk. It's clearly a quick and dirty > > port of Windows code (the comments refer to running in "DPC context" and > > IRQ priority levels which do not exist on Linux). And there seems to be > > nothing stopping it from doing a LOT of work in (soft) IRQ context, like > > decryption. > > > > I don't understand why these developers would choose to develop their > > driver outside the Linux kernel. It obviously will need a LOT of work > > to be mergeable. > > The current driver (divided into rt2400 and rt2500) was developed > externally by Ralink and later relicensed under the GPL, and it's > probably a direct port of their Windows driver. > > The rt2x00 developers are currently rewriting the entire codebase (under > the name rt2x00 Open Source Project), bringing it closer to inclusion in > the mainstream kernel. > > Don't forget that Ralink cards are some of the better supported wireless > interfaces available for Linux, having a completely GPL driver which > doesn't need external binary firmware. > > Yeah I was looking at the old driver. The old one looks like Windows code, the new one looks like proper Linux kernel code. Do you know what's keeping the new driver out of the kernel? Is it the current confusion over the availability of multiple ieee80211 stacks? Lee Lee From fbar at footils.org Sun Jan 1 16:54:05 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Jan 1 16:54:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help: Audiotrak Maya 44 USB doesn't work In-Reply-To: <20060101202937.GB6428@jethro.dyndns.org> References: <20060101181820.GB4913@jethro.dyndns.org> <43B832B2.8010502@herhoffer.net> <20060101202937.GB6428@jethro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060101215405.GE10573@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Harri Tuomela hat gesagt: // Harri Tuomela wrote: > Hi again! I removed the hotplug configured module from kernel and tried > to install it manually: > > :~# insmod /lib/modules/2.6.8/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko index=1 vid=0x0a92 pid=0x0091 > > However, the device does not seem to appear in /proc/asound/cards. It's a FAQ: make sure, hotplug doesn't load the OSS module by adding usbaudio to /etc/hotplug/blacklist. Or delete the usbaudio module file, you will neverever need it. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From alberto.botti at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 16:57:52 2006 From: alberto.botti at gmail.com (Alberto Botti) Date: Sun Jan 1 16:57:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <1136151564.13079.80.camel@mindpipe> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011218g16250a04hc02f807d55e6cea6@mail.gmail.com> <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> <1136150945.10865.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1136151564.13079.80.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1136152672.10865.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Il giorno dom, 01/01/2006 alle 16.39 -0500, Lee Revell ha scritto: > Yeah I was looking at the old driver. The old one looks like Windows > code, the new one looks like proper Linux kernel code. > > Do you know what's keeping the new driver out of the kernel? Is it the > current confusion over the availability of multiple ieee80211 stacks? It's still a beta driver, They probably want to stabilize it further before proposing it for inclusion. >From their latest release annuncement: "This will be the last BETA release before our migration to a new core ieee80211 stack." p.s. I've recently bought one of these wireless PCI cards and I'm still using the old driver (which appears to work perfectly). I think I've now found what was causing so many xrun lately :) From ce at christeck.de Sun Jan 1 17:17:05 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Jan 1 17:15:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help: Audiotrak Maya 44 USB doesn't work In-Reply-To: <20060101215405.GE10573@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060101181820.GB4913@jethro.dyndns.org> <20060101202937.GB6428@jethro.dyndns.org> <20060101215405.GE10573@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <200601012317.05431.ce@christeck.de> > It's a FAQ: make sure, hotplug doesn't load the OSS module by adding > usbaudio to /etc/hotplug/blacklist. Or delete the usbaudio module > file, you will neverever need it. regardless that you're absolutely right, even if the OSS module gets loaded the device should appear in /proc/asound/cards as soon as snd_usb_audio gets loaded. Best regards ce From harri at jethro.dyndns.org Sun Jan 1 17:26:43 2006 From: harri at jethro.dyndns.org (Harri Tuomela) Date: Sun Jan 1 17:26:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help: Audiotrak Maya 44 USB doesn't work In-Reply-To: <20060101215405.GE10573@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060101181820.GB4913@jethro.dyndns.org> <43B832B2.8010502@herhoffer.net> <20060101202937.GB6428@jethro.dyndns.org> <20060101215405.GE10573@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060101222642.GC6428@jethro.dyndns.org> On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 10:54:05PM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Harri Tuomela hat gesagt: // Harri Tuomela wrote: > > > > Hi again! I removed the hotplug configured module from kernel and > > tried to install it manually: > > > > :~# insmod /lib/modules/2.6.8/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko index=1 vid=0x0a92 pid=0x0091 > > > > However, the device does not seem to appear in /proc/asound/cards. > > It's a FAQ: make sure, hotplug doesn't load the OSS module by adding > usbaudio to /etc/hotplug/blacklist. Hotplug didn't load the OSS audio module (called 'audio'). I checked that with lsmod. However, I added it into blacklist, but the problem still remains. -Harri From roberts.noah at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 19:19:39 2006 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Sun Jan 1 19:19:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <1136150756.13079.72.camel@mindpipe> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011218g16250a04hc02f807d55e6cea6@mail.gmail.com> <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> <1136150756.13079.72.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <567aa5f60601011619t16a26f80l25aea5f092e159ff@mail.gmail.com> On 1/1/06, Lee Revell wrote: > Maybe you can try the beta driver: > > http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Rt2x00_beta Yeah, that one has other problems and still won't connect to nothing. It also causes serious stability problems when you send certain commands with iwlist. Breaks something so inherent that all further network config commands crash, ie ifconfig, iwconfig, etc... I actually thought I was running that one earlier but I was wrong, I had inadvertently left the old one in and was loading it. I'm just going to take the damn card back. I'm not in the mood for trying to get something like this to work right. I'm just hoping I can find ANYTHING that will work in Linux at this point...this is the second card I've tried. Now, on a different note: After trying with the new kernel and such I tried suspend to disk again and it still crashes with a mention about PREEMPT. I wrote down some details, I am hoping it is enough but if not I /can/ recreate and write down the whole damn oops output. Here is what I grabbed: First, right before the crash this message was output: Warning: bash /8051/ changed soft IRQ flags Then the crash: Call trace (actuall addresses ommited): swsusp_suspend + 6 pm_suspend_disk+80 enter_state+84 state_store+111 subsys_attr_store+34 sysfs_write_file+170 vfs_write+209 sys_write+69 system_call+126 Crash is about a null pointer derefenced at 00..0038 RIP: global_eventsource_suspend+8 PGD 35bff067 PUP 36710067 MMD 0 Oops: 0000 [1] PREEMPT <- the only place preempt is actually mentioned. Loaded mods: 8139too mii usbhid ohci_hcd psmouse usbcore Pid: 8051, comm: bash Not Tainted 2.6.15-rc7-rt1 #1 Lots of register values...again, I can easily recreate this bug so I decided to see if this was enough. This an RT issue or a suspend issue? From roberts.noah at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 19:29:22 2006 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Sun Jan 1 19:29:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <1136150945.10865.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011218g16250a04hc02f807d55e6cea6@mail.gmail.com> <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> <1136150945.10865.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <567aa5f60601011629j35dd161bycf0b04e3bc2d2f78@mail.gmail.com> On 1/1/06, Alberto Botti wrote: > Don't forget that Ralink cards are some of the better supported wireless > interfaces available for Linux, having a completely GPL driver which > doesn't need external binary firmware. > > A while back I managed to get a DLink working within a few hours. Took a LOT of searching and scrambling through convoluted (even for unix) docs, websites, and forums to get there but once I found out everything I needed it was pretty easy...it just worked. So anyway, I know there is better even if you sometimes need that HAL component. Setting up a wireless connection in Linux seems a lot harder than it needs to be. Certainly the documentation on it could be much better. If I knew what the hell I was doing with it maybe I could figure out more about why it is breaking but I can't find any really good docs on this stuff. The HOWTO kinda sucks... and people complain about audio being hard to figure out :P At any rate, its off topic now I think because the interrupt problem is not what is at issue anymore now that I realized I was still loading an old driver. That older driver actually says not to use SMP or PREEMPT so... Thanks for the help guys. I might try a few more things but I'm pretty close to giving up on this card and trying a different one...maybe I can get a DLink like the one I already got working once before. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 1 19:48:38 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 1 19:48:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60601011629j35dd161bycf0b04e3bc2d2f78@mail.gmail.com> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011218g16250a04hc02f807d55e6cea6@mail.gmail.com> <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> <1136150945.10865.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <567aa5f60601011629j35dd161bycf0b04e3bc2d2f78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1136162918.13079.95.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 16:29 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > On 1/1/06, Alberto Botti wrote: > > > Don't forget that Ralink cards are some of the better supported wireless > > interfaces available for Linux, having a completely GPL driver which > > doesn't need external binary firmware. > > > > > > A while back I managed to get a DLink working within a few hours. > Took a LOT of searching and scrambling through convoluted (even for > unix) docs, websites, and forums to get there but once I found out > everything I needed it was pretty easy...it just worked. So anyway, I > know there is better even if you sometimes need that HAL component. > > Setting up a wireless connection in Linux seems a lot harder than it > needs to be. Certainly the documentation on it could be much better. > If I knew what the hell I was doing with it maybe I could figure out > more about why it is breaking but I can't find any really good docs on > this stuff. The HOWTO kinda sucks... and people complain about audio > being hard to figure out :P I think it does not much attention because wireless on Linux right now has much bigger problems that poor documentation. > At any rate, its off topic now I think because the interrupt problem > is not what is at issue anymore now that I realized I was still > loading an old driver. That older driver actually says not to use SMP > or PREEMPT so... > > Thanks for the help guys. I might try a few more things but I'm > pretty close to giving up on this card and trying a different > one...maybe I can get a DLink like the one I already got working once > before. > Of course you'll have the easiest time if you get a device that the kernel supports OOTB. Check drivers/net/wireless/Kconfig in your kernel source for some examples of devices that should Just Work. Lee From roberts.noah at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 20:00:13 2006 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Sun Jan 1 20:00:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60601011629j35dd161bycf0b04e3bc2d2f78@mail.gmail.com> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011218g16250a04hc02f807d55e6cea6@mail.gmail.com> <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> <1136150945.10865.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <567aa5f60601011629j35dd161bycf0b04e3bc2d2f78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <567aa5f60601011700j5ba1a580me9fdc5701aa92e39@mail.gmail.com> Actually, looks like it might still be preempt... Kernel BUG at kernel/rt.c:2193 invalid operand: 0000 [1] PREEMPT CPU 0 Modules linked in: rt2500pci rt2x00core ieee80211 ieee80211_crypt yenta_socket rsrc_nonstatic pcmcia pcmcia_core firmware_class 8139too mii usbhid ohci_hcd psmouse usbcore Pid: 8320, comm: ifconfig Not tainted 2.6.15-rc7-rt1 #1 RIP: 0010:[] {rt_downgrade_write+0} RSP: 0018:ffff810028b01cf0 EFLAGS: 00010246 RAX: 0000000000000000 RBX: ffff810028a96a68 RCX: ffff8100288e6200 RDX: ffff810028b00000 RSI: 000000000000000b RDI: ffff810028a96a68 RBP: ffff810028a96ac8 R08: 0000000000000006 R09: 0000000000000282 R10: ffff81002df4d300 R11: ffff81002b6e5ec0 R12: 00000000000003ff R13: ffff810028a96a68 R14: 0000000000000000 R15: 0000000000000000 FS: 00002aaaaade3b00(0000) GS:ffffffff803fc800(0000) knlGS:0000000000000000 CS: 0010 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 000000008005003b CR2: 00002aaaaacb864c CR3: 00000000289b1000 CR4: 00000000000006e0 Process ifconfig (pid: 8320, threadinfo ffff810028b00000, task ffff810028a987c0)Stack: ffffffff880700a6 ffff810028a96ac8 ffff810028a96624 ffff810028a96b88 ffffffff88071c91 ffff81002df4d300 ffff810028a96a68 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 ffff810028a96ac8 Call Trace:{:rt2x00core:rt2x00_update_config+69} {:rt2x00core:rt2x00_start_scan+773} {:rt2x00core:rt2x00_link_up+103} {:rt2x00core:rt2x00_open+120} {dev_open+51} {dev_change_flags+88} {devinet_ioctl+645} {inet_ioctl+124} {sock_ioctl+0} {sock_ioctl+469} {do_ioctl+41} {vfs_ioctl+628} {sys_ioctl+89} {system_call+126} Code: 0f 0b 68 ed 6c 2f 80 c2 91 08 c3 0f ae f0 31 c0 48 83 7f 20 RIP {rt_downgrade_write+0} RSP Is this an issue with realtime or the driver? From roberts.noah at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 20:06:07 2006 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Sun Jan 1 20:06:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <1136162918.13079.95.camel@mindpipe> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011218g16250a04hc02f807d55e6cea6@mail.gmail.com> <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> <1136150945.10865.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <567aa5f60601011629j35dd161bycf0b04e3bc2d2f78@mail.gmail.com> <1136162918.13079.95.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <567aa5f60601011706x5d4846efibb389845c26290e7@mail.gmail.com> On 1/1/06, Lee Revell wrote: > Check drivers/net/wireless/Kconfig in your kernel source for some > examples of devices that should Just Work. One major problem, and this is pretty universal for any hardware type, is that you don't know what you are getting until you plug it in and ask it what chipset it uses. It isn't on the box...rarely do you find it on a website. When you are at the store and you are trying to guess it is just really hard to figure what is going to work. I remember one time I bought an ATI TV-Wonder *knowing* that it would work because I used them before...HAH....the new ones had a different "Conexant" chipset that didn't have any viable Linux drivers - all alpha mode... From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 1 20:13:41 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 1 20:13:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60601011700j5ba1a580me9fdc5701aa92e39@mail.gmail.com> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011218g16250a04hc02f807d55e6cea6@mail.gmail.com> <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> <1136150945.10865.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <567aa5f60601011629j35dd161bycf0b04e3bc2d2f78@mail.gmail.com> <567aa5f60601011700j5ba1a580me9fdc5701aa92e39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1136164422.13079.98.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 17:00 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > Actually, looks like it might still be preempt... > > Kernel BUG at kernel/rt.c:2193 > invalid operand: 0000 [1] PREEMPT > CPU 0 > Modules linked in: rt2500pci rt2x00core ieee80211 ieee80211_crypt > yenta_socket rsrc_nonstatic pcmcia pcmcia_core firmware_class 8139too > mii usbhid ohci_hcd psmouse usbcore > Pid: 8320, comm: ifconfig Not tainted 2.6.15-rc7-rt1 #1 > RIP: 0010:[] {rt_downgrade_write+0} > RSP: 0018:ffff810028b01cf0 EFLAGS: 00010246 > RAX: 0000000000000000 RBX: ffff810028a96a68 RCX: ffff8100288e6200 > RDX: ffff810028b00000 RSI: 000000000000000b RDI: ffff810028a96a68 > RBP: ffff810028a96ac8 R08: 0000000000000006 R09: 0000000000000282 > R10: ffff81002df4d300 R11: ffff81002b6e5ec0 R12: 00000000000003ff > R13: ffff810028a96a68 R14: 0000000000000000 R15: 0000000000000000 > FS: 00002aaaaade3b00(0000) GS:ffffffff803fc800(0000) knlGS:0000000000000000 > CS: 0010 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 000000008005003b > CR2: 00002aaaaacb864c CR3: 00000000289b1000 CR4: 00000000000006e0 > Process ifconfig (pid: 8320, threadinfo ffff810028b00000, task > ffff810028a987c0)Stack: ffffffff880700a6 ffff810028a96ac8 > ffff810028a96624 ffff810028a96b88 > ffffffff88071c91 ffff81002df4d300 ffff810028a96a68 0000000000000000 > 0000000000000000 ffff810028a96ac8 > Call Trace:{:rt2x00core:rt2x00_update_config+69} > {:rt2x00core:rt2x00_start_scan+773} > {:rt2x00core:rt2x00_link_up+103} > {:rt2x00core:rt2x00_open+120} > {dev_open+51} {dev_change_flags+88} > {devinet_ioctl+645} {inet_ioctl+124} > {sock_ioctl+0} {sock_ioctl+469} > {do_ioctl+41} {vfs_ioctl+628} > {sys_ioctl+89} {system_call+126} > > > Code: 0f 0b 68 ed 6c 2f 80 c2 91 08 c3 0f ae f0 31 c0 48 83 7f 20 > RIP {rt_downgrade_write+0} RSP > > Is this an issue with realtime or the driver? > It's impossible for me to tell. Either it's a driver bug or the driver is not compatible with the -rt kernel. You should report this to the developers. The PREEMPT line has nothing to do with the Oops other than to tell you that it was generated by a PREEMPT enabled kernel. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 1 20:36:28 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 1 20:36:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60601011706x5d4846efibb389845c26290e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011218g16250a04hc02f807d55e6cea6@mail.gmail.com> <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> <1136150945.10865.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <567aa5f60601011629j35dd161bycf0b04e3bc2d2f78@mail.gmail.com> <1136162918.13079.95.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011706x5d4846efibb389845c26290e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1136165789.13079.103.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 17:06 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > On 1/1/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > Check drivers/net/wireless/Kconfig in your kernel source for some > > examples of devices that should Just Work. > > One major problem, and this is pretty universal for any hardware type, > is that you don't know what you are getting until you plug it in and > ask it what chipset it uses. It isn't on the box...rarely do you find > it on a website. Yes it's harder if you start from a selection of hardware and then ask "OK what here works?". It's much easier to start with a Google search for what wireless cards work OOTB and then shop accordingly. Besides I don't agree that it's difficult to figure out given a device whether it works with Linux, Google should be able to tell you this (as long as you avoid bleeding edge just-came-out-last-week devices which is a good idea anyway). Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 1 20:42:10 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 1 20:42:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60601011706x5d4846efibb389845c26290e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <1136098967.13079.21.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011218g16250a04hc02f807d55e6cea6@mail.gmail.com> <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> <1136150945.10865.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <567aa5f60601011629j35dd161bycf0b04e3bc2d2f78@mail.gmail.com> <1136162918.13079.95.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011706x5d4846efibb389845c26290e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1136166131.13079.108.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 17:06 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > the new ones had a different "Conexant" chipset that didn't have any > viable Linux drivers - all alpha mode... It's also difficult to say what constitutes a "viable driver". Most people consider that a driver is viable if it supports the basic functions of the device, like playing audio, sending/receiving packets or displaying images on the screen. Then you have a shrill minority who consider a driver non-viable, broken or useless if it doesn't support EVERY single little feature of the hardware or do everything the Windows driver does. I guess my point is YMMV as always ;-) Lee From pw_lists at slinkp.com Sun Jan 1 20:45:58 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Sun Jan 1 20:46:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Favorite way to use Jamin? In-Reply-To: References: <20051221054811.GA1754@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20060102014558.GB19487@slinkp.com> On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 10:33:14AM -0600, Jack O'Quin wrote: > On 12/20/05, Paul Winkler wrote: > > So, I thought, I'll just play them with alsaplayer -o jack. I have > > alsaplayer version 0.99.76. But when I do, alsaplayer loads the files > > without complaint (well, mostly; there's some messages like "short_mask > > = 0x6" on stdout...) ... the UI indicates that it's playing, and it says > > "sndfile supported format" -- but the output is silent! Could it be a > > problem with routing or mixer controls? Nope, I can hear any other file > > I load, but not these mixes. Weird. > > alsaplayer -o jack works reliably for me, I use it all the time. > > I generally add the "-d transport/noconnect" option, then use qjackctl > (or the jamin Ports menu) to connect the output ports to jamin. That > way you can start and stop (but not reposition) alsaplayer using JACK > transport commands. > > Is alsaplayer able to play your file without JACK? No. Or rather, it appears to play, but no sound is audible. Same with JACK. > Can it play other files through JACK? Yes, I said so. This is clearly not a JACK problem. Alsaplayer appears to simply not properly handle the float or 32-bit-integer wav files that I export from ardour. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From pw_lists at slinkp.com Sun Jan 1 20:46:50 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Sun Jan 1 20:47:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Favorite way to use Jamin? In-Reply-To: <1135164920.43a93df893a8e@www2.helsinki.fi> References: <1135164920.43a93df893a8e@www2.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <20060102014650.GC19487@slinkp.com> On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 01:35:20PM +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > This issue has been fixed. I closed the bug on mantis. You either have to > wait for the 0.99.1 release, 2.0 beta releases or get the current ardour1 > CVS from the nightly tarball: Nightly tarball works fine here. Thanks very much!!! -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From roberts.noah at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 21:03:20 2006 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Sun Jan 1 21:03:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <1136166131.13079.108.camel@mindpipe> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011218g16250a04hc02f807d55e6cea6@mail.gmail.com> <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> <1136150945.10865.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <567aa5f60601011629j35dd161bycf0b04e3bc2d2f78@mail.gmail.com> <1136162918.13079.95.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011706x5d4846efibb389845c26290e7@mail.gmail.com> <1136166131.13079.108.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <567aa5f60601011803p4c92b302t8dc991744ace9bed@mail.gmail.com> On 1/1/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 17:06 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > > the new ones had a different "Conexant" chipset that didn't have any > > viable Linux drivers - all alpha mode... > > It's also difficult to say what constitutes a "viable driver". Most > people consider that a driver is viable if it supports the basic > functions of the device, like playing audio, sending/receiving packets > or displaying images on the screen. Then you have a shrill minority who > consider a driver non-viable, broken or useless if it doesn't support > EVERY single little feature of the hardware or do everything the Windows > driver does. > > I guess my point is YMMV as always ;-) My definition of non-viable is crashes a lot, doesn't work at all (as in this case), or is missing key features, and in the case above it was two weeks of waiting before I could even get video w/o audio from that card. I did some modifications myself to make it even get video from the composite input. It probably works now...I put the thing up and its been gathering dust for about a year or more. From pw_lists at slinkp.com Sun Jan 1 21:08:11 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Sun Jan 1 21:08:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Guitar amp emulation using LADSPA FX In-Reply-To: <4366F1F1001296BB@mk-cpfrontend-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> References: <4366F1F1001296BB@mk-cpfrontend-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <20060102020811.GD19487@slinkp.com> On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 09:01:57PM +0000, sayhi2guy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: > Hi > > A while ago I promised to post what LADSPA FX I used to get a decent electric > guitar sound (sorry I can't find the post this should be replying to - the > joys of computer hopping). > > These are all caps plug-ins by Tim Goetze. 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Name: surfguitar.rack Type: application/octet-stream Size: 491 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060101/7ca84553/surfguitar.obj From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Sun Jan 1 21:15:16 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Sun Jan 1 21:10:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Delta 1010 Message-ID: <43B88CB4.8080906@chapelperilous.net> I am going to be upgrading my studio machine from a M-Audio 2496 to a Delta 1010, msinly becuase I need to the capability of recording drum kits. Since these cards use the same drivers, I assume I won't need to recompile my ALSA drivers? What are people's experience with the Delta 1010? Are there any gotchas or wierd issues with it? The 2496 has faithfully served me for a couple of years and I hope the Delta 1010 serves me just as well. -- Brett From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 1 21:16:07 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 1 21:16:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem possibly RT related? In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60601011803p4c92b302t8dc991744ace9bed@mail.gmail.com> References: <567aa5f60512312142h66398a40m1876289327150597@mail.gmail.com> <567aa5f60601011048y23ab12dekf89c016ff93614f7@mail.gmail.com> <1136142532.13079.55.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011218g16250a04hc02f807d55e6cea6@mail.gmail.com> <1136148501.13079.69.camel@mindpipe> <1136150945.10865.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <567aa5f60601011629j35dd161bycf0b04e3bc2d2f78@mail.gmail.com> <1136162918.13079.95.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011706x5d4846efibb389845c26290e7@mail.gmail.com> <1136166131.13079.108.camel@mindpipe> <567aa5f60601011803p4c92b302t8dc991744ace9bed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1136168167.13079.115.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 18:03 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > On 1/1/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 17:06 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > > > the new ones had a different "Conexant" chipset that didn't have any > > > viable Linux drivers - all alpha mode... > > > > It's also difficult to say what constitutes a "viable driver". Most > > people consider that a driver is viable if it supports the basic > > functions of the device, like playing audio, sending/receiving packets > > or displaying images on the screen. Then you have a shrill minority who > > consider a driver non-viable, broken or useless if it doesn't support > > EVERY single little feature of the hardware or do everything the Windows > > driver does. > > > > I guess my point is YMMV as always ;-) > > My definition of non-viable is crashes a lot, doesn't work at all (as > in this case), or is missing key features, and in the case above it > was two weeks of waiting before I could even get video w/o audio from > that card. I did some modifications myself to make it even get video > from the composite input. It probably works now...I put the thing up > and its been gathering dust for about a year or more. > Yeah that's a key thing to watch out for with Linux drivers: never assume that a device is supported because the previous generation of that device was supported - you have to match the model numbers carefully. There's no substitute for a first person account that the device works. Lately I've even heard that some wireless vendors will change the chipset in a way that breaks the old driver without changing the model number at all. Lee From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sun Jan 1 21:28:58 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sun Jan 1 21:29:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Delta 1010 In-Reply-To: <43B88CB4.8080906@chapelperilous.net> References: <43B88CB4.8080906@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <1136168938.5491.1.camel@eviltwin> On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 21:15 -0500, Brett McCoy wrote: > I am going to be upgrading my studio machine from a M-Audio 2496 to a > Delta 1010, msinly becuase I need to the capability of recording drum > kits. Since these cards use the same drivers, I assume I won't need to > recompile my ALSA drivers? What are people's experience with the Delta > 1010? Are there any gotchas or wierd issues with it? The 2496 has > faithfully served me for a couple of years and I hope the Delta 1010 > serves me just as well. > The 1010 is probably the best supported pro level card out there other than the Hammerfall stuff. You don't need to do anything other than to set all of the extra channels in envy24control. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Sun Jan 1 22:14:00 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Sun Jan 1 22:09:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Delta 1010 In-Reply-To: <1136168938.5491.1.camel@eviltwin> References: <43B88CB4.8080906@chapelperilous.net> <1136168938.5491.1.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <43B89A78.7030107@chapelperilous.net> Jan Depner wrote: >>I am going to be upgrading my studio machine from a M-Audio 2496 to a >>Delta 1010, msinly becuase I need to the capability of recording drum >>kits. Since these cards use the same drivers, I assume I won't need to >>recompile my ALSA drivers? What are people's experience with the Delta >>1010? Are there any gotchas or wierd issues with it? The 2496 has >>faithfully served me for a couple of years and I hope the Delta 1010 >>serves me just as well. >> > > > The 1010 is probably the best supported pro level card out there > other than the Hammerfall stuff. You don't need to do anything other > than to set all of the extra channels in envy24control. Cool! Can't wait to get it... Music123 has them on sale for $299 (not "factory sealed"), which means I will be putting my Xmas money to good use... -- Brett From kevinc at doink.com Mon Jan 2 00:24:05 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Mon Jan 2 00:25:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Delta 1010 In-Reply-To: <43B88CB4.8080906@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <20060102052407.B0EED4064@joseph.doink.com> On 1 January 2006 at 21:15, Brett McCoy wrote: > I am going to be upgrading my studio machine from a M-Audio 2496 to a > Delta 1010, msinly becuase I need to the capability of recording drum > kits. Since these cards use the same drivers, I assume I won't need to > recompile my ALSA drivers? What are people's experience with the Delta > 1010? Are there any gotchas or wierd issues with it? The 2496 has > faithfully served me for a couple of years and I hope the Delta 1010 > serves me just as well. No problems here. My drums sound sweet.... -- Kevin From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Jan 2 06:15:42 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 2 05:55:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Guitar amp emulation using LADSPA FX In-Reply-To: <20060102020811.GD19487@slinkp.com> References: <4366F1F1001296BB@mk-cpfrontend-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <20060102020811.GD19487@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <43B90B5E.4070700@woh.rr.com> Paul Winkler wrote: >I forgot to reply to that thread... here's a couple of jackrack presets >that I've had a little fun with for guitar. >These are just variations on the same simple combination: >"simple amplifier", "tube preamp emulation + tone controls", >"amp/speaker emulation", "gverb", and sometimes "glame lowpass". > > Hey Paul, thanks for these presets ! I'll check 'em out today, see if I can't get a little more oomph out of my POS Alvarez... Best, dp From ce at christeck.de Mon Jan 2 06:46:33 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Jan 2 06:44:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Guitar amp emulation using LADSPA FX In-Reply-To: <43B90B5E.4070700@woh.rr.com> References: <4366F1F1001296BB@mk-cpfrontend-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <20060102020811.GD19487@slinkp.com> <43B90B5E.4070700@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200601021246.33934.ce@christeck.de> > Hey Paul, thanks for these presets ! 2nded :) . Best regards ce From lconrad at laymusic.org Mon Jan 2 10:24:18 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Mon Jan 2 10:24:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Pysol Sound Server problem solved Message-ID: <87r77qzm8t.fsf@laymusic.org> I solved a really irritating problem yesterday, and since one of the irritating things about it was that the top google hit for several of the ways to google it was a question by me to this list about a previous incarnation, I figured I'd post the solution here. I run a Debian unstable system with alsa, and from time to time, pysol has stopped making sounds. The error message I would get is: pysolsoundserver.error: unable to open audio: No available audio device I finally solved the problem for this incarnation by installing libsdl1.2debian-all, instead of libsdl1.2debian-oss. I suspect the underlying cause of this problem, and possibly lots of other sound problems, is that the dependancy tree isn't sophisticated enough to take into account what sound system is running, and the packaging of the sound libraries isn't sophisticated enough to package everything necessary. It's one of the few cases where being able to read code was actually crucial to solving the problem. Not that I even thought about changing the code, but grepping it to find where the error message was coming from was what gave me the idea to google the message with SDL instead of pysol, and that led me to a post on a game site that suggested installing libsdl1.2debian-all. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From fbar at footils.org Mon Jan 2 10:48:15 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon Jan 2 10:48:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help: Audiotrak Maya 44 USB doesn't work In-Reply-To: <20060101222642.GC6428@jethro.dyndns.org> References: <20060101181820.GB4913@jethro.dyndns.org> <43B832B2.8010502@herhoffer.net> <20060101202937.GB6428@jethro.dyndns.org> <20060101215405.GE10573@fliwatut.scifi> <20060101222642.GC6428@jethro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060102154815.GF13820@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Harri Tuomela hat gesagt: // Harri Tuomela wrote: > Hotplug didn't load the OSS audio module (called 'audio'). I checked > that with lsmod. However, I added it into blacklist, but the problem > still remains. Hm, now I'm a bit at loss. If you can do this, then I would try a newer kernel. 2.6.8 is a bit old already. It might be, that there are issues in other areas, for example with your USB controller, that may be fixed in current kernels. You could also do a test with some live distribution first that uses ALSA and a newer kernel like Ubuntu. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Jan 2 12:15:50 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon Jan 2 12:16:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help: Audiotrak Maya 44 USB doesn't work In-Reply-To: <20060101222642.GC6428@jethro.dyndns.org> References: <20060101181820.GB4913@jethro.dyndns.org> <20060101215405.GE10573@fliwatut.scifi> <20060101222642.GC6428@jethro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200601021815.51055.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 01 January 2006 23:26, Harri Tuomela wrote: > On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 10:54:05PM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > Harri Tuomela hat gesagt: // Harri Tuomela wrote: > > > Hi again! I removed the hotplug configured module from kernel and > > > > > > tried to install it manually: > > > :~# insmod /lib/modules/2.6.8/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko index=1 > > > : vid=0x0a92 pid=0x0091 > > > > > > However, the device does not seem to appear in /proc/asound/cards. > > > > It's a FAQ: make sure, hotplug doesn't load the OSS module by adding > > usbaudio to /etc/hotplug/blacklist. > > Hotplug didn't load the OSS audio module (called 'audio'). I checked > that with lsmod. However, I added it into blacklist, but the problem > still remains. > > -Harri Hi Harri. I havn't been following this thread, but saw Frank's reply about the 2.6.8 kernel. Are you using Debian Sarge by any chance, because even though I know nothing about your USB soundcard, I did have problems with the USB for my USB midi keyboard, and the 2.6 kernel. If you are using Sarge, there are a few things you can try, but let me know first, as I don't want to waste your time. Nigel. From ross at jose.lug.udel.edu Mon Jan 2 14:40:30 2006 From: ross at jose.lug.udel.edu (Ross Vandegrift) Date: Mon Jan 2 14:40:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Delta 1010 In-Reply-To: <43B89A78.7030107@chapelperilous.net> References: <43B88CB4.8080906@chapelperilous.net> <1136168938.5491.1.camel@eviltwin> <43B89A78.7030107@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <20060102194030.GB28551@lug.udel.edu> On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 10:14:00PM -0500, Brett McCoy wrote: > Music123 has them on sale for $299 (not "factory sealed"), which means I > will be putting my Xmas money to good use... Heh, that's a decent deal! I was just lamenting my choice of the Delta44 the other day.... I think I paid almost $200 for that sucker four years ago or so! Technology... -- Ross Vandegrift ross@lug.udel.edu "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell." --St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37 From bwanab+lau at juraview.com Mon Jan 2 14:40:22 2006 From: bwanab+lau at juraview.com (Bill Allen) Date: Mon Jan 2 14:40:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Guitar amp emulation using LADSPA FX In-Reply-To: <20060102020811.GD19487@slinkp.com> References: <4366F1F1001296BB@mk-cpfrontend-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <20060102020811.GD19487@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <43B981A6.50902@juraview.com> Paul Winkler wrote: >On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 09:01:57PM +0000, sayhi2guy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: > > >>Hi >> >>A while ago I promised to post what LADSPA FX I used to get a decent electric >>guitar sound (sorry I can't find the post this should be replying to - the >>joys of computer hopping). >> >>These are all caps plug-ins by Tim Goetze. In order I use: >> >> Tube preamp emulation + tone controls >> Amp/speaker emulation >> Verstaile plate reverb >> >>adjusting each as required, it is where jack rack is handy as you can save >>patches for different guitars. >> >>Hope this helps someone >> >> > >I forgot to reply to that thread... here's a couple of jackrack presets >that I've had a little fun with for guitar. >These are just variations on the same simple combination: >"simple amplifier", "tube preamp emulation + tone controls", >"amp/speaker emulation", "gverb", and sometimes "glame lowpass". > > > > Very nice, though just a little to hot for my guitar. I've attached a very similar rack that I've been using for rhythm. I don't use the phaser that much and it's off by default, but I do like the touch of flanger. The gverb is similar to Paul's, but a little less damping. I use the L/C/R delay to fatten the sound, but as with Paul's the workhorse is the Tube amp emulation and amp/speaker. emulation. Regards, Bill -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: rhythm_guitar.rack Type: application/octet-stream Size: 791 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060102/f7c14370/rhythm_guitar.obj From charlesthump at yahoo.com Mon Jan 2 14:54:42 2006 From: charlesthump at yahoo.com (charles thorley) Date: Mon Jan 2 14:54:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] anybody using seq24 for live performances? Message-ID: <20060102195442.95372.qmail@web51902.mail.yahoo.com> hey all. i'm considering picking up a cheap (new) laptop and running seq24 and a sampler on it, and slaving some outboard modules, for a live p.a. solution (as in dance/electronic/techno live production). it looks cool enough from the homepage, but i've found very little reference to it elsewhere on the net, and nothing that really addresses it's strengths and weaknesses in a live setting based on real-world experience. it looks like the guy that wrote it uses it for this, but he doesn't talk about it much on the site. alternatively, i might pick up an akai mpc1000 for my live sequencer - i definitely like gear, although i'm not bent on it. if i thought that seq24 could more or less do what it does, that's the route that i'd go down, methinks. i've got an rme hammerfall multiface, so i'm not concerned about getting sound out of it (although, recommendations for a laptop that would work with the hammerfall cardbus would also be most welcome). thanks much! - charles __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From hanaghan at starband.net Mon Jan 2 15:23:43 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Mon Jan 2 15:11:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Delta 1010 In-Reply-To: <20060102194030.GB28551@lug.udel.edu> References: <43B88CB4.8080906@chapelperilous.net> <1136168938.5491.1.camel@eviltwin> <43B89A78.7030107@chapelperilous.net> <20060102194030.GB28551@lug.udel.edu> Message-ID: <43B98BCF.4090807@starband.net> Ross Vandegrift wrote: >On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 10:14:00PM -0500, Brett McCoy wrote: > > >>Music123 has them on sale for $299 (not "factory sealed"), which means I >>will be putting my Xmas money to good use... >> >> > >Heh, that's a decent deal! I was just lamenting my choice of the >Delta44 the other day.... I think I paid almost $200 for that sucker >four years ago or so! Technology... > > > > $299.00 is indeed a good deal for the Delta1010! When I was on the hunt for a card, the 1010 as opposed to the 1010LT was my preference but I could not seem to snag one at a decent price on Ebay and the lowest retail deal was like $399.00. SNap it up and produce Linux music to your hearts content!!! :) Cheers, R~ From pw_lists at slinkp.com Mon Jan 2 15:23:59 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Mon Jan 2 15:24:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Guitar amp emulation using LADSPA FX In-Reply-To: <43B981A6.50902@juraview.com> References: <4366F1F1001296BB@mk-cpfrontend-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> <20060102020811.GD19487@slinkp.com> <43B981A6.50902@juraview.com> Message-ID: <20060102202359.GB30602@slinkp.com> On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 02:40:22PM -0500, Bill Allen wrote: > Paul Winkler wrote: > Very nice, though just a little to hot for my guitar. I should've mentioned, my only working electric guitar currently is a Danelectro reissue with pretty low output, so I push the gain pretty hard. Looking forward to trying yours... sadly I'm about to be travelling again for 2 weeks. Hopefully I'll remember when I get home. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Jan 2 15:52:36 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 2 15:32:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] anybody using seq24 for live performances? In-Reply-To: <20060102195442.95372.qmail@web51902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060102195442.95372.qmail@web51902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43B99294.6050509@woh.rr.com> charles thorley wrote: >hey all. i'm considering picking up a cheap (new) >laptop and running seq24 and a sampler on it, and >slaving some outboard modules, for a live p.a. >solution (as in dance/electronic/techno live >production). it looks cool enough from the homepage, >but i've found very little reference to it elsewhere >on the net, and nothing that really addresses it's >strengths and weaknesses in a live setting based on >real-world experience. it looks like the guy that >wrote it uses it for this, but he doesn't talk about >it much on the site. alternatively, i might pick up >an akai mpc1000 for my live sequencer - i definitely >like gear, although i'm not bent on it. if i thought >that seq24 could more or less do what it does, that's >the route that i'd go down, methinks. i've got an rme >hammerfall multiface, so i'm not concerned about >getting sound out of it (although, recommendations for >a laptop that would work with the hammerfall cardbus >would also be most welcome). > > I haven't worked with it in a live setting, but I'll testify to its utility and stability. You might spend an hour or two getting familiar with its commands and interface, but it's a very straightforward program. Btw, it's a MIDI-only app, so you'll want to be able to connect it to outboard gear or softsynths. Or both... :) Best, dp From charlesthump at yahoo.com Mon Jan 2 15:50:22 2006 From: charlesthump at yahoo.com (charles thorley) Date: Mon Jan 2 15:50:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] anybody using seq24 for live performances? In-Reply-To: <43B99294.6050509@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060102205022.23286.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> thanks dave! i read your article in linuxjournal about seq24, which was one of the things that got me interested in it. i'm hoping to get in touch with some people who have been using it for playing out, but even in the absence of feedback like that, i'm leaning towards seq24 right now (as opposed to a hardware sequencer). i read a comment... http://unit-e.cc/knowledge/index.php?id=MidiSequencers ...that suggested that it's lacking as a drumseq. i'm not sure what would make it better for bass/melody/etc. than drums (as the writer suggests) - any thoughts on the matter? -c --- Dave Phillips wrote: > charles thorley wrote: > > >hey all. i'm considering picking up a cheap (new) > >laptop and running seq24 and a sampler on it, and > >slaving some outboard modules, for a live p.a. > >solution (as in dance/electronic/techno live > >production). it looks cool enough from the > homepage, > >but i've found very little reference to it > elsewhere > >on the net, and nothing that really addresses it's > >strengths and weaknesses in a live setting based on > >real-world experience. it looks like the guy that > >wrote it uses it for this, but he doesn't talk > about > >it much on the site. alternatively, i might pick > up > >an akai mpc1000 for my live sequencer - i > definitely > >like gear, although i'm not bent on it. if i > thought > >that seq24 could more or less do what it does, > that's > >the route that i'd go down, methinks. i've got an > rme > >hammerfall multiface, so i'm not concerned about > >getting sound out of it (although, recommendations > for > >a laptop that would work with the hammerfall > cardbus > >would also be most welcome). > > > > > I haven't worked with it in a live setting, but I'll > testify to its > utility and stability. You might spend an hour or > two getting familiar > with its commands and interface, but it's a very > straightforward program. > > Btw, it's a MIDI-only app, so you'll want to be able > to connect it to > outboard gear or softsynths. Or both... :) > > Best, > > dp > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Mon Jan 2 19:04:44 2006 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier) Date: Mon Jan 2 19:05:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [admin] music.columbia.edu server downtime Message-ID: <43B9BF9C.7040506@folkwang-hochschule.de> hi everyone! a happy new year to all folks on the gregorian calendar, and a generic happy next 365 days to everyone else! the music department at columbia university are taking the list server down for an upgrade on the coming weekend, so expect interruptions for linux-audio-dev, linux-audio-user and linux-audio-announce. you will probably want to keep a copy of all the mails you send over the weekend, so that you can re-send them in case they end up in the bit bucket. let me take this opportunity to thank douglas irving repetto for many years of painless hosting and friendly help, and the entire music dept. for their generous donation of iron and bandwidth. kudos, guys! rumor has it that the new list server will be an os x machine. hopefully this will make the lists even more user-friendly and aesthetically pleasing than before ;) all the best, j?rn -------- Original Message -------- Subject: music.columbia.edu server downtime Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:21:13 -0500 From: douglas irving repetto To: douglas@music.columbia.edu Hello, We will be upgrading the music.columbia.edu server this weekend. Hopefully all of the work will be done on Saturday, but it may extend into Sunday. music.columbia.edu will not be available during the downtime. That means no websites will be served, no email will be sent/delivered, no mailing lists will function, etc. I'll send an update later this week with info about some changes that you'll see on the new server. Happy new year, douglas -- ............................................... http://artbots.org .....douglas.....irving........................ http://dorkbot.org ................................ http://ceait.calarts.edu/musicdsp .......... repetto....... http://works.music.columbia.edu/organism ............................... http://music.columbia.edu/~douglas -- j?rn nettingsmeier home://germany/45128 essen/lortzingstr. 11/ http://spunk.dnsalias.org phone://+49/201/491621 if you are a free (as in "free speech") software developer and you happen to be travelling near my home, drop me a line and come round for a free (as in "free beer") beer. :-D From m at iriXx.org Mon Jan 2 20:32:56 2006 From: m at iriXx.org (miriam clinton (iriXx)) Date: Mon Jan 2 20:33:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Copyleftmedia News: The GIMP and Sex, New Madonna Remix Project contributions Message-ID: <43B9D448.9000403@iriXx.org> [Apologies for the initial bounce - I'd forgotten I'd unsubscribed while travelling!] Copyleftmedia News www.copyleftmedia.org.uk/news.htm The GIMP And Sex (Seriously...) Some months ago I was encouraged by Richard M. Stallman to join the GIMP-devel, among other Free Software developer's mailing lists, to contribute and comment on its usability and functionality from a professional graphic designer's point of view. I also wrote an article for Linux User and Developer magazine (www.linuxuser.co.uk) around the same time, commending both the GIMP and Inkscape highly. Initially I was welcomed to the discussion, but when I objected to the posting of a half-naked female body to demonstrate a bug when any other photo could have substituted, I was chastised like a child, accused of 'policing the mailing list' and called a 'religious freak', among other names, by the list admin, when my request was perfectly reasonable and was met with reasonable discussion and eventually dropped by other list members. It is noteworthy that the only other female developer on the list does not download binaries and asked me to send her a link to the photographs. An article follows on the 'little boys clubs' that F/OSS development lists seem to degenerate into - or even 'little girls clubs' in the case of Linuxchix, a list which I briefly joined, and left due to its exclusion of and chastisement of men. The final straw which lead me to publicise what could be considered a minor issue was the list-admin's accusation that my contributions as a writer and tester were of far less value than that of a coder. This was in stark contrast to my initially warm welcome to the list a year ago, and to the more mature attitude of Bryce Harrington's Inkscape team, whom I shall be rejoining and supporting. It seems a little maturity is needed in the Free Software community - Harrington certainly separates the boys from the men in this regard. The Inkscape project has the potential to far supersede the once-famous GIMP even if only due to its versatility, and the attitude of those on-list has always been welcoming to testers of usability and interface design - an area of considerable importance if one is to attract users of Adobe and Macromedia packages towards Free Software. The Madonna Remix Project Lives On A couple of new remixes have been posted to the News page, one by Torben M?ller, and another site (unrelated to the project) by Marcin Dolecki. Regards, mC~ -- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." -Voltaire ~ www.iriXx.org ~ www.copyleftmedia.org.uk ~ From cv223 at comcast.net Mon Jan 2 21:10:22 2006 From: cv223 at comcast.net (Joel White) Date: Mon Jan 2 20:47:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to avoid transient peaks? Limiter? In-Reply-To: <43AAC95E.2080709@expressmart.com> References: <200512191527.36623.ii001001@yahoo.ca> <1135128174.25456.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200512210012.57560.lau@kudla.org> <200512210744.46939.ii001001@yahoo.ca> <43A9700D.2020306@woh.rr.com> <87wthxtj11.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <87oe39th1g.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <43AAC95E.2080709@expressmart.com> Message-ID: <43B9DD0E.2020804@comcast.net> Timothy A. Gorman wrote: > INFO from my devout PT using friend.. ..............And useful as > hell.... > > http://duc.digidesign.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=892942&page=0&view > > I read through a bit of this and wondered if/how the jack meterbridge meters might help show the levels of reconstructed audio. From the jack meterbridge webpage ( http://plugin.org.uk/meterbridge/ ), I read the following about the VU meter: The -r flag (set reference level) is usful with these meters as it will allow you to calibrate to your DA converters. The meter is pre-adjusted so that it should allign correctly calibrated DA converters with analogue systems. If you wish to run with 0dBFS = 0dBu then use "-r 20" Am I interpreting this to mean that the VU meter should be able to give an estimate of the levels of the reconstructed signal? I'm using a Delta 1010LT - can anyone point me at info about the DA converter calibration procedure, or, better yet, what the "-r" value should be for this card out of the box? I'm just beginning to look into this, but tests with a tune I'm mixing shows quite a bit of it is "in the red" on the VU meter, even though the digital meters are running below 0dBFS. I want to make sure I'm looking at the right thing, or if I am totally off-base. Thanks! Joel From steffl at bigfoot.com Mon Jan 2 21:02:15 2006 From: steffl at bigfoot.com (Erik Steffl) Date: Mon Jan 2 21:02:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to record on sb live (low recording levels) Message-ID: <43B9DB27.5020100@bigfoot.com> I've been playing with it quite a lot but it's pretty elusive, can somebody shed som light on how to record using sb live platinum liveDrive (front panel). I can get it to record but the levels are very low (vu meter goes to about 25%), even when I put the slider to max. I have the same problem with mic and phono pre-amp. at one point I was able to make it record with 'normal' loudness so I guess it's possible but I wasn't able to figure out how I did it that one time :-( I was using alsmixer to set the recording levels and sources (was playing with both capture and playback controls) Not sure if it matter but when I set playback for liveDrive line2 the output goes to speakers with 'normal' loudness (i.e. a lot louder than what is being recorded). this is on debian unstable using alsa in kernel 2.6.11, /proc/asound/version says Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.8 (Thu Jan 13 09:39:32 2005 UTC). any ideas? TIA! erik From m at iriXx.org Mon Jan 2 21:05:43 2006 From: m at iriXx.org (miriam clinton (iriXx)) Date: Mon Jan 2 21:05:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Copyleftmedia News: The GIMP and Sex, new Madonna Remixes In-Reply-To: <20060103004717.A85C472FE6@mail03.powweb.com> References: <20060103004717.A85C472FE6@mail03.powweb.com> Message-ID: <43B9DBF7.7020607@iriXx.org> Apologies for the second Madonna Remix link, which I have now removed in keeping with my integrity as regards photography and the ethics of F/OSS/CC advocacy. I had not checked the site, and some of the photography is quite obscene to say the least. Torben's remix, however, is excellent :) mC~ -- 99% of aliens prefer Earth --Eminem www.iriXx.org www.copyleftmedia.org.uk From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Jan 2 21:09:21 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Jan 2 21:09:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: anybody using seq24 for live performances? In-Reply-To: <20060102205022.23286.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> References: <43B99294.6050509@woh.rr.com> <20060102205022.23286.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 1/3/06, charles thorley wrote: > thanks dave! i read your article in linuxjournal > about seq24, which was one of the things that got me > interested in it. i'm hoping to get in touch with > some people who have been using it for playing out, > but even in the absence of feedback like that, i'm > leaning towards seq24 right now (as opposed to a > hardware sequencer). > > i read a comment... > > http://unit-e.cc/knowledge/index.php?id=MidiSequencers > > ...that suggested that it's lacking as a drumseq. i'm > not sure what would make it better for > bass/melody/etc. than drums (as the writer suggests) - > any thoughts on the matter? > > -c I think it's a very usable sequencer for everything. I use it for drum stuff in preference to anything else, with smack. http://smack.berlios.de I use it that way for both live use and non-live production. Though live use has so far been limited to just playing alone or small shows to go with talks about smack. I think most of the om-synth crowd use seq24. I think the problem they are suggesting for drum is that there is no drum map i.e notes don't say what they are unlike hydrogen. This really has never been a problem for me. Loki From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jan 2 21:10:08 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jan 2 21:10:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to record on sb live (low recording levels) In-Reply-To: <43B9DB27.5020100@bigfoot.com> References: <43B9DB27.5020100@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <1136254209.21284.1.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 18:02 -0800, Erik Steffl wrote: > I've been playing with it quite a lot but it's pretty elusive, can > somebody shed som light on how to record using sb live platinum > liveDrive (front panel). I can get it to record but the levels are very > low (vu meter goes to about 25%), even when I put the slider to max. I > have the same problem with mic and phono pre-amp. > > at one point I was able to make it record with 'normal' loudness so I > guess it's possible but I wasn't able to figure out how I did it that > one time :-( > > I was using alsmixer to set the recording levels and sources (was > playing with both capture and playback controls) > > Not sure if it matter but when I set playback for liveDrive line2 the > output goes to speakers with 'normal' loudness (i.e. a lot louder than > what is being recorded). > > this is on debian unstable using alsa in kernel 2.6.11, > /proc/asound/version says Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver > Version 1.0.8 (Thu Jan 13 09:39:32 2005 UTC). Try a new ALSA, lots of bugs have been fixed since 1.0.8. Lee From lau at kudla.org Mon Jan 2 23:58:06 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Tue Jan 3 00:02:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Copyleftmedia News: The GIMP and Sex, New Madonna Remix Project contributions In-Reply-To: <43B9D448.9000403@iriXx.org> References: <43B9D448.9000403@iriXx.org> Message-ID: <200601022358.06646.lau@kudla.org> On Mon January 2 2006 20:32, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote: > welcomed to the discussion, but when I objected to the posting > of a half-naked female body to demonstrate a bug when any > other photo could have substituted, I was chastised like a > child, accused of 'policing the mailing list' and called a > 'religious freak', among other names, by the list admin, when I myself am gay, and have no interest in objectifying women at all (except when they ask for my help doing it to themselves... corset shopping, accessorizing, et al.) Nonetheless, I also think that anyone who objects to images of a partially clothed woman (or man) in a visual arts context has no place working in a visual arts context. I hate to think how you'd respond to actual nudes. Regardless, as soon as your medium-critical posts exceeded your on-topic and helpful posts as a "writer and tester", you became a liability to that list. Not being a member, I couldn't say whether that happened before or after the admin lashed out at you, but if it was before, you probably deserved to be moderated if not chastised. > of usability and interface design - an area of considerable > importance if one is to attract users of Adobe and Macromedia > packages towards Free Software. I would point out that support communities for at least some Adobe products often feature material that's far more risque than partially-clothed women. Maybe what's needed is a gimp-dworkin-user list, if you find others in the strange situation of wanting to be part of the electronic visual arts community while never being exposed to the single most common product of that community. I'm not sure whether you came here looking for support, or to chastise us, or just to troll, but rest assured that we have no naked or partially clothed people here.... at least, not that you can see. Rob From roberts.noah at gmail.com Tue Jan 3 00:22:02 2006 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Tue Jan 3 00:22:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] maudio 1814 Message-ID: <567aa5f60601022122q79872c4ey778b9560840ebf90@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know if the maudio firewire soundcard with model # 1814 works in Linux? They have them at the local music store and they look decent. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Jan 3 00:42:11 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Jan 3 00:39:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] maudio 1814 In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60601022122q79872c4ey778b9560840ebf90@mail.gmail.com> References: <567aa5f60601022122q79872c4ey778b9560840ebf90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1136266931.4661.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 21:22 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > Does anyone know if the maudio firewire soundcard with model # 1814 > works in Linux? They have them at the local music store and they look > decent. for the umpteenth time: there are no working firewire audio devices usable on linux at this time unless you want to experiment with the still very alpha-esque freebob project. a few devices (the RME fireface, all MOTU products) will not work even when freebob matures. --p From roberts.noah at gmail.com Tue Jan 3 00:59:38 2006 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Tue Jan 3 00:59:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] maudio 1814 In-Reply-To: <1136266931.4661.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <567aa5f60601022122q79872c4ey778b9560840ebf90@mail.gmail.com> <1136266931.4661.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <567aa5f60601022159u14a27e35yc5549a10d59c9fdd@mail.gmail.com> On 1/2/06, Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 21:22 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > > Does anyone know if the maudio firewire soundcard with model # 1814 > > works in Linux? They have them at the local music store and they look > > decent. > > for the umpteenth time: there are no working firewire audio devices > usable on linux at this time unless you want to experiment with the > still very alpha-esque freebob project. That's news to me....people have been using the edirol fa101 from what I understand. At any rate I don't see why you have to be rude about it. > > a few devices (the RME fireface, all MOTU products) will not work even > when freebob matures. > > --p > > > From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Jan 3 01:27:33 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Jan 3 01:24:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] maudio 1814 In-Reply-To: <567aa5f60601022159u14a27e35yc5549a10d59c9fdd@mail.gmail.com> References: <567aa5f60601022122q79872c4ey778b9560840ebf90@mail.gmail.com> <1136266931.4661.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> <567aa5f60601022159u14a27e35yc5549a10d59c9fdd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1136269653.4661.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 21:59 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > On 1/2/06, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 21:22 -0800, Noah Roberts wrote: > > > Does anyone know if the maudio firewire soundcard with model # 1814 > > > works in Linux? They have them at the local music store and they look > > > decent. > > > > for the umpteenth time: there are no working firewire audio devices > > usable on linux at this time unless you want to experiment with the > > still very alpha-esque freebob project. > > That's news to me....people have been using the edirol fa101 from what > I understand. At any rate I don't see why you have to be rude about > it. sorry, i wasn't trying to be rude. its just that its a very frustrating situation, and a quick google for "linux audio firewire" will reveal the situation in all its gory details. yes, people are using various BeBob (BridgeCo DM1000 chipset-based) devices, but they are almost all very skilled and experienced linux users who do not mind messing about with alpha-level software. if you're such a person, you could consider trying out the m-audio 1814, but you should first check that it uses the DM1000 chipset because otherwise, you will be totally out of luck. The new DICE chipsets are starting to appear in street products and these will not (AFAIK) work with freebob). --p From d_baron at 012.net.il Tue Jan 3 09:18:19 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Tue Jan 3 09:18:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems Message-ID: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> Still cannot get this to play. Kernel boots up fine loading of any alsa fails with a bunch of undefined symbols. I am using neither udev nor devfs (no longer in kernel)--based on an old knoppix hdinstall, upgraded to Debian Sid. Kernels through 2.6.11 worked fine. 2.6.12 --mpu401 fails, 2.6.14 alsa audio fails. Fun. From lconrad at laymusic.org Tue Jan 3 10:00:07 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Tue Jan 3 10:00:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> (David Baron's message of "Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:18:19 +0200") References: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <87psn9xsp4.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "DB" == David Baron writes: DB> Still cannot get this to play. Kernel boots up fine loading of DB> any alsa fails with a bunch of undefined symbols. I am using DB> neither udev nor devfs (no longer in kernel)--based on an old DB> knoppix hdinstall, upgraded to Debian Sid. DB> Kernels through 2.6.11 worked fine. 2.6.12 --mpu401 fails, DB> 2.6.14 alsa audio fails. Fun. That's very similar to my system, and I was pleasantly surprised that installing 2.6.14 "just worked". I had to run alsaconf, and then I had audio with all the exact same problems I'd had with 2.6.12. I haven't had hardware MIDI working since 2.4 or maybe even 2.2, and I haven't tested recording recently, but playing works fine. If you need to compare your setup to mine, feel free to ask. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jan 3 12:25:29 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jan 3 12:25:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <1136309130.24703.21.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 16:18 +0200, David Baron wrote: > Still cannot get this to play. Kernel boots up fine loading of any alsa fails > with a bunch of undefined symbols. I am using neither udev nor devfs (no > longer in kernel)--based on an old knoppix hdinstall, upgraded to Debian Sid. > > Kernels through 2.6.11 worked fine. 2.6.12 --mpu401 fails, 2.6.14 alsa audio > fails. Fun. > The unresolved synbols almost certainly mean that you compiled ALSA incorrectly. This could include building against the wrong kernel sources or with a different compiler than was used for the kernel, failing to unload all the old ALSA modules before loading the new ones, trying to load ALSA modules when ALSA is already build into the kernel, trying to install an old ALSA with a newer kernel, etc. Please post these errors you see or we can't help. Also what soundcard driver and ALSA version are you using? Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jan 3 12:26:34 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jan 3 12:26:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <87psn9xsp4.fsf@laymusic.org> References: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> <87psn9xsp4.fsf@laymusic.org> Message-ID: <1136309195.24703.23.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 10:00 -0500, Laura Conrad wrote: > >>>>> "DB" == David Baron writes: > > DB> Still cannot get this to play. Kernel boots up fine loading of > DB> any alsa fails with a bunch of undefined symbols. I am using > DB> neither udev nor devfs (no longer in kernel)--based on an old > DB> knoppix hdinstall, upgraded to Debian Sid. > > DB> Kernels through 2.6.11 worked fine. 2.6.12 --mpu401 fails, > DB> 2.6.14 alsa audio fails. Fun. > > That's very similar to my system, and I was pleasantly surprised that > installing 2.6.14 "just worked". I had to run alsaconf, and then I > had audio with all the exact same problems I'd had with 2.6.12. I > haven't had hardware MIDI working since 2.4 or maybe even 2.2, and I > haven't tested recording recently, but playing works fine. > > If you need to compare your setup to mine, feel free to ask. > What soundcard driver are you using? What exactly do you mean by "hardware midi doesn't work". Please, be specific with these bug reports or they are useless. Lee From b0ef at esben-stien.name Tue Jan 3 14:46:12 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Tue Jan 3 12:53:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [admin] music.columbia.edu server downtime In-Reply-To: <43B9BF9C.7040506@folkwang-hochschule.de> (Joern Nettingsmeier's message of "Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:04:44 +0100") References: <43B9BF9C.7040506@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <87u0clnlh7.fsf@esben-stien.name> Joern Nettingsmeier writes: > new list server will be an os x machine Damn, such irony, in my opinion. I'd vote to bring it to savannah and change the name to GNU/Linux Audio Developers;), same with the user list. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jan 3 13:08:51 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jan 3 13:09:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [admin] music.columbia.edu server downtime In-Reply-To: <87u0clnlh7.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <43B9BF9C.7040506@folkwang-hochschule.de> <87u0clnlh7.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <1136311732.24703.51.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 20:46 +0100, Esben Stien wrote: > Joern Nettingsmeier writes: > > > new list server will be an os x machine > > Damn, such irony, in my opinion. I'd vote to bring it to savannah and > change the name to GNU/Linux Audio Developers;), same with the user > list. > Yeah WTF?!? Why OSX? Linux isn't a good enough server platform? Sorry I think that running LAD on an OSX machine is bullshit. Lee From m at iriXx.org Tue Jan 3 19:44:33 2006 From: m at iriXx.org (miriam clinton (iriXx)) Date: Tue Jan 3 19:44:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Copyleftmedia News: The GIMP and Sex, New Madonna Remix Project contributions In-Reply-To: <200601031429.k03ETj7m002074@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200601031429.k03ETj7m002074@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <43BB1A71.2030208@iriXx.org> >Rob wrote: > > > I myself am gay, and have no interest in objectifying women at > >all (except when they ask for my help doing it to themselves... >corset shopping, accessorizing, et al.) Nonetheless, I also >think that anyone who objects to images of a partially clothed >woman (or man) in a visual arts context has no place working in >a visual arts context. I hate to think how you'd respond to >actual nudes. > > The photographs were not at all in an artistic context - it is a pity that I have lost them, as they would prove the point of my argument; the lack of maturity within the F/OSS community. The photographs were pure soft-porn, there was no art involved. I am a trained artist and much in support of the artistic portrayal of the human body. I am not in support of the denegration of either sex for the purpose of pornography. >Regardless, as soon as your medium-critical posts exceeded your >on-topic and helpful posts as a "writer and tester", you became >a liability to that list. > LOL. I made one small request regarding the appropriate use of photography when a facial portrait could have demonstrated the same bug. I made one further post defending my position, in which I stated that I would leave th discussion at that point. It is the overreaction of the list-admin, his childish attitude, and the immaturity of the F/OSS community which I address. I would suggest that you might also not wish our community to be so poorly represented by > Not being a member, I couldn't say >whether that happened before or after the admin lashed out at >you, but if it was before, you probably deserved to be moderated >if not chastised. > > It all happened in his private posts to me - I made no provocation whatsoever, just a simple request. What I quoted in my article was his quite unnecessary, and unprovoked overreaction. I am hazarding a guess that the list-admin is extremely young, and cannot moderate a list in a mature fashion but instead responded to a polite request by lashing out at me. He may disagree with my request, as others did, and I accept their disagreement; what I write of is their lack of maturity in posting soft-porn to a devel list, and his ridiculous and unprovoked attack. The reason I write about this at all? GIMP is a major representation of the GNU/Linux platform - it is essential that maturity is maintained among our community if we are ever to reach mainstream distribution. One might note that Windows and Mac users are at all times treated in a professional manner - perhaps as support staff would lose their jobs if they lashed out at customers or packaged their software with soft-porn models on the cover. >I'm not sure whether you came here looking for support, or to >chastise us, or just to troll, but rest assured that we have no >naked or partially clothed people here.... at least, not that >you can see. > > Neither, I regularly post updates regarding my Copyleftmedia project to this list, although it has been some time since the last. List readers may well have been interested in the continuation of the Madonna Remix Project, which is on-topic for this list and has been followed keenly by many list subscribers. I am intrigued as to why a news update has caused such a stir; judging by the two responses I have received from this particular list, in contrast to DMCA-discuss, Pho, C-FIT Community and the other F/OSS campaign lists to which I posted this message, neither of you have bothered to read the article and have proven yourselves to be exactly the type of coders lacking in maturity of which I wrote. It intrigues me as to how oversensetive you are in your responses as well - anyone who read the actual article would have seen that it neither defends the demeaning of women by men, men by women, or same-sex. A reader from DMCA-discuss responded that my story described perfectly the reasons why F/OSS will never reach the mainstream - in his words, the community must quite simply "grow up". /This/, and not a knee-jerk commentary on so-called 'sexism', was the focus of the article - the immaturity of a list admin towards a simple point made on-list, discussed briefly and dropped. The fact that the list-admin could not handle very mild debate over what was indeed an unnecessary use of photography (a portrait of a face could suffice) proved his immaturity and poor representation for a major piece of software in the F/OSS community. This list-admin, if he does not address his attitude towards subscribers and inability to cope with debate, will continue to work to the detriment of F/OSS software. Is that not of concern to us as GNU/Linux users? mC~ -- www.iriXx.org www.copyleftmedia.org.uk From lau at kudla.org Tue Jan 3 21:43:15 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Tue Jan 3 21:55:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Copyleftmedia News: The GIMP and Sex, New Madonna Remix Project contributions In-Reply-To: <43BB1A71.2030208@iriXx.org> References: <200601031429.k03ETj7m002074@roar.music.columbia.edu> <43BB1A71.2030208@iriXx.org> Message-ID: <200601032143.15706.lau@kudla.org> On Tue January 3 2006 19:44, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote: > List readers may well have been interested in the continuation > of the Madonna Remix Project, which is on-topic for this list > and has been followed keenly by many list subscribers. I am > intrigued as to why a news update has caused such a stir; The rant was 34 lines and came first; the Madonna thing was 2 lines and came last. I have zero interest in Madonna, and in fact would think it's ultimately more harmful to associate unauthorized remixes of such an anti-commons artist with copyleft than to allow example images of women in J.Lo outfits. The latter will make the world think, perhaps correctly, that most Free Software developers and users are oversexed, socially inept males. Since the world already has that opinion, nothing's lost. The former will make the world think, however incorrectly, that we really don't care whether or not we violate other artists' copyrights. Madge's posting of the "WTF" quote to Kazaa herself doesn't grant blanket remix rights to everybody in the world, so by promoting the remix project on LAU and other free software mailing lists, you are promoting copyright infringement. If there's anything Linux doesn't need, it's that association. I hesitate to even post my opinion of the project lest it come back someday to bite us. I'll take "chauvinist" over "criminal" any day, when it comes to free software's "professional image". I also assumed that the post was simply a copy and paste of the content from the link at the top, since they began the same way; apparently, I was in error. However, the version on the web seems substantially the same to me, with some additional material about objectification and anorexia and apparently the kinds of images people are attracted to. I'm not going to debate those points, because they didn't appear on this list and they'd have been even more off-topic than our discussion. Without being privy to the original conflict, my comments stand as they are. > It intrigues me as to how oversensetive you are in your > responses as well - anyone who read the actual article would Again, I misunderstood the purpose of the link at the top of your post, but I see no need for ad-hominem attacks, nor the overuse of "immature" you keep throwing around: from your perspective, posting cleavage is immature, while from my perspective, objecting to someone else posting cleavage is immature. And doing so while potentially exposing the list to legal liability is irresponsible at best. I know I'm not going to change your mind, so you might as well declare us immature and walk away again. Rob From gewang at CS.Princeton.EDU Tue Jan 3 23:50:07 2006 From: gewang at CS.Princeton.EDU (Ge Wang) Date: Tue Jan 3 23:50:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ICMC 2006 Call for Works Message-ID: <520bb20cc2fefbcadd0add3333d27800@cs.princeton.edu> Greetings (and apologies for cross-posting). ICMC 2006 shall take place in New Orleans this November. Hope to see you there. Thanks! ----- Forwarded message from park@tulane.edu ----- Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 22:41:57 -0600 From: park Reply-To: park Subject: ICMC 2006 Call for Works Call for Participation: International Computer Music Conference 2006 Tulane University and the Newcomb Department of Music are proud to announce the open call for submissions to the ICMC 2006. The conference will be held on the Tulane University campus in beautiful New Orleans, Louisiana, USA from November 6 - 11, 2006 and will be a historic collaboration between ICMA and SEAMUS (Society of Electro Acoustic Music in the US). The nature of the collaboration is part of a larger theme of the 2006 ICMC conference - ?multidimensionality.? It is our hope to represent the multidimensional and multi-faceted field of computer music today through concerts, installations, paper sessions, poster sessions, demonstrations, workshops, and exhibitions as well as many other special events and many giveaways and prizes. We are currently finishing up the official webpage with detailed information regarding the ICMC 2006 which will be up early January 2006. Hurricane Katrina and Rita have brought much destruction to New Orleans but we are eager to move forward and excited about the future of New Orleans and hope that you will be part of this great conference and great city! Laissez les bon temps roulez! Sincerely, Tae Hong Park, ICMC 2006 Conference Chair SUMMARY OF DEADLINE DATES: -------------------------- - Music, video art, and installations: March 4, 2006 - Papers, demonstrations, and posters: March 4, 2006 - Workshop and roundtables proposals: April 7, 2006 - Exhibition proposals: April 7, 2006 CALL FOR MUSIC, VIDEO ART, AND INSTALLATIONS: --------------------------------------------- ICMC 2006 invites the submission of music, video art, and installations reflecting the multidimensional aspect of computer music today. We will have at least 8 channels for sound projection and a number of instrumental resources available on site including a select number of traditional Korean instruments. Please refer to conference webpage for details (webpage will be up early 2006). Submission Information For detailed submission information, please consult the music submission instructions page (webpage will be up early January 2006). Deadlines Works must be submitted online by March 4, 2006. Applicants will be notified of results by June 5, 2006. Submission formats To be announced on webpage. CALL FOR PAPERS, POSTERS, AND DEMONSTRATIONS: --------------------------------------------- ICMC 2006 invites the submission of papers and posters examining aesthetic, compositional, educational, musicological, scientific, and technological aspects of computer music and digital audio. The theme of this year's conference is multidimensionality and we especially encourage submissions on this topic. Submission Information For detailed submission information, please consult the paper submission instructions page (webpage will be up early January 2006). We have provided templates in LaTeX and Word formats. To help ensure consistency in the printed conference proceedings, the technical committee will only review submissions that use the ICMC 2006 template. Proposed and final papers must be submitted through the website. We unfortunately cannot accept printed papers via postal mail. Deadlines Papers must be submitted online by March 4th, 2006. Applicants will be notified of acceptance or rejection of papers, posters and demonstration proposals by May 28th, 2006. For accepted submissions, the final deadline for submission of camera-ready versions is June 23rd, 2006. Submission Types Short Paper (4 pages maximum in Proceedings, 20 min. presentation) Long Paper (8 pages maximum in Proceedings, 30 min. presentation) Poster (4 pages maximum in Proceedings) Studio Report (4 pages maximum in Proceedings, 20 min. presentation) Demonstration Notes (1 page in Proceedings, 45 min. demonstration) Authors who submit short or long papers can also suggest demonstrating their work if appropriate. A separate submission of a demonstration note is not required in this case. Submitted papers, posters, and demonstrations may be accepted in a different format than originally submitted. Content Areas include but not limited to: Digital Audio Signal Processing Sound Synthesis and Analysis Music Analysis Music Information Retrieval Representation and Models for Computer Music Artificial Intelligence and Music Languages for Computer Music Printing and Optical Recognition of Music Mathematical Music Theory Psychoacoustics, Music Perception and Cognition Acoustics of Music Aesthetics, Philosophy and Criticism of Music History of Electroacoustic Music Computer Systems in Music Education Composition Systems and Techniques Interactive Performance Systems Software and Hardware Systems General and Miscellaneous Issues in Computer Music Studio Reports CALL FOR ROUNDTABLE PROPOSALS: ------------------------------ ICMC 2006 invites the submission of roundtable proposals to explore current and emerging issues in computer music today. We are looking for topics including issues addressing the friction between music and technology, culture, society, unsolved problems in computer music, future directions, pedagogy, performance, and relevant topics. Submission Information Proposal should include title, objective, extended abstract including a summary of the topics to be covered, names and affiliations of up to a total of 5 panelists (this includes the panel chair) who have made a commitment to participate, short summary of panelists? position statements, and proposed panel duration. Please see website for details (website will be up early January 2006). Deadlines Proposals must be submitted online by April 7, 2006 Submission Information For detailed submission information, please consult the roundtable submission instructions page (webpage will be up early January 2006). CALL FOR WORKSHOP PROPOSALS: ---------------------------- ICMC 2006 invites the submission of workshop proposals. The workshops should ideally include a combination of practice and theory. Submission Information For detailed submission information, please consult the workshop submission instructions page (webpage will be up early January 2006). Deadlines April 7, 2006 CALL FOR EXHIBITIONS: --------------------- ICMC 2006 invites the submission of exhibition proposals to showcase latest products relevant to computer and electronic music, digital audio and related fields including software, hardware, educational tools, performance interfaces, and other products of interest. Submission Information For detailed submission information, please consult the exhibition submission instructions page (webpage will be up early January 2006). Deadlines April 7, 2006 CONTACT INFORMATION: --------------------- Tae Hong Park, Conference Chair, park@tulane.edu Paul Botelho, Music Chair, pbotelho@princeton.edu Georg Essl, Paper Co-Chair, Georg.Essl@telekom.de Ichiro Fujinaga, Paper Co-Chair, ich@music.mcgill.ca ----- End forwarded message ----- From cmetzler at speakeasy.net Wed Jan 4 00:25:34 2006 From: cmetzler at speakeasy.net (cmetzler@speakeasy.net) Date: Wed Jan 4 00:25:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Copyleftmedia News: The GIMP and Sex, New Madonna Remix Project contributions Message-ID: > and have > proven yourselves to be exactly the type of coders lacking in maturity > of which I wrote. Ah. Disagreement with you, or annoyance at attempts to move an off-topic dispute from somewhere else into here too, equals immaturity. All I needed to know. *plonk* -c From peder at musikhuset.org Wed Jan 4 02:53:41 2006 From: peder at musikhuset.org (Peder Hedlund) Date: Wed Jan 4 02:52:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [admin] music.columbia.edu server downtime In-Reply-To: <1136311732.24703.51.camel@mindpipe> References: <43B9BF9C.7040506@folkwang-hochschule.de> <87u0clnlh7.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1136311732.24703.51.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Lee Revell wrote: > > Joern Nettingsmeier writes: > > > > > new list server will be an os x machine > > Yeah WTF?!? Why OSX? Linux isn't a good enough server platform? > > Sorry I think that running LAD on an OSX machine is bullshit. > > Lee > So Linux is a good platform to run a list server off, but BSD isn't? Remember OSX underlying system (Darwin) is basically a modified (and Open SOurce) FreeBSD. Now, had they been talking about that other OS I perhaps could've agreed. - Peder From tim at orford.org Wed Jan 4 04:06:34 2006 From: tim at orford.org (Tim Orford) Date: Wed Jan 4 04:07:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Copyleftmedia News: The GIMP and Sex, New Madonna Remix Project contributions In-Reply-To: <43B9D448.9000403@iriXx.org> References: <43B9D448.9000403@iriXx.org> Message-ID: <20060104090634.GD10172@orford.org> On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 12:32:56PM +1100, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote: > Some months ago I was encouraged by Richard M. Stallman to join the > GIMP-devel, among other Free Software developer's mailing lists, to While I sympathise with the Gimp folk in that most of their usability feedback comes from people who cant get past their MS/Apple/Adobe indoctrination, I think its very telling that you got a better reception from Inkscape - a fine piece of software. Useability work is very important and unfortunately very *difficult*. Often frustrating and unrewarding Too. Dont be put off by overreactions from persons who you rub the wrong way - perhaps better not to engage these people, and instead concentrate on the positives. Good luck. -- Tim Orford From ivalladt at punkass.com Wed Jan 4 04:14:00 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Wed Jan 4 04:15:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <1136309130.24703.21.camel@mindpipe> References: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> <1136309130.24703.21.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060104091400.GC1444@spma33> Lee Revell escribe: > On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 16:18 +0200, David Baron wrote: > > Still cannot get this to play. Kernel boots up fine loading of any alsa fails > > with a bunch of undefined symbols. I am using neither udev nor devfs (no > > longer in kernel)--based on an old knoppix hdinstall, upgraded to Debian Sid. > > > > Kernels through 2.6.11 worked fine. 2.6.12 --mpu401 fails, 2.6.14 alsa audio > > fails. Fun. > > > > The unresolved synbols almost certainly mean that you compiled ALSA > incorrectly. This could include building against the wrong kernel > sources or with a different compiler than was used for the kernel, > failing to unload all the old ALSA modules before loading the new ones, > trying to load ALSA modules when ALSA is already build into the kernel, > trying to install an old ALSA with a newer kernel, etc. Just for the records, ALSA runs nice on sarge here running 2.6.14. If running sid, well, things often break on sid, don't blame the kernel necesairly. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange From d_baron at 012.net.il Wed Jan 4 08:56:23 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Wed Jan 4 08:56:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 28, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <200601040456.k044tI7o018956@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200601040456.k044tI7o018956@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200601041556.23651.d_baron@012.net.il> On Wednesday 04 January 2006 06:56, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > > Still cannot get this to play. Kernel boots up fine loading of any alsa > > fails with a bunch of undefined symbols. I am using neither udev nor > > devfs (no longer in kernel)--based on an old knoppix hdinstall, upgraded > > to Debian Sid. > > > > Kernels through 2.6.11 worked fine. 2.6.12 --mpu401 fails, 2.6.14 alsa > > audio fails. Fun. > > The unresolved synbols almost certainly mean that you compiled ALSA > incorrectly. ?This could include building against the wrong kernel > sources or with a different compiler than was used for the kernel, > failing to unload all the old ALSA modules before loading the new ones, > trying to load ALSA modules when ALSA is already build into the kernel, > trying to install an old ALSA with a newer kernel, etc. I compiled the whole kernel along with the modules using one compiler (using make-kpkg). The errors are on bootup. > > Please post these errors you see or we can't help. ?Also what soundcard > driver and ALSA version are you using? I am using the alsa that comes with the kernel and the most recent stuff from Sid. Here is one piece of the error messages. They repeat. Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: Symbols match kernel version 2.6.14. Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled. Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: l snd_oss_info_register Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_unregister_device Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_device_new Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_unregister_ioctl Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_info_create_card_entry Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_device_free Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_card_file_remove Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_info_unregister Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_device_register Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_rawmidi: Unknown symbol snd_register_device Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_rawmidi_receive Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_rawmidi_transmit Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_add Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_new Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_card_register Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_card_free Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_preallocate_pages_for_all Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_card_proc_new Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_ac97_mixer Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_ac97_bus Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_set_sync Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_new1 Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_constraint_ratdens Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_card_new Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_iprintf Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_malloc_pages Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_ioctl Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_free_pages Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_set_ops Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_device_new Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_rawmidi_new Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_rawmidi_set_ops Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_preallocate_free_for_all Jan ?2 19:32:01 d_baron kernel: snd_ens1371: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_constraint_ratnums From markus at herhoffer.net Wed Jan 4 10:53:03 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Wed Jan 4 09:43:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Midisport 2x2 In-Reply-To: <200601041556.23651.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <200601040456.k044tI7o018956@roar.music.columbia.edu> <200601041556.23651.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <43BBEF5F.9070107@herhoffer.net> Hello! I've been using the M-Audio Midisport 2x2 together with the Maya 44 USB for a long time and it worked quite well. But after an update of ALSA only the Maya 44 works. The module 'snd-usb-audio' is loaded properly and the device is recognized by the system. I've also put 'snd-usb-audio' on the blacklist of hotplug, because hotplug makes some real trouble with USB audio devices. I'm running Gentoo 2.6.13-r3. 'World' is up to date on stable branch. Dome debug infos: # lsusb Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0763:1001 Midiman Midisport 2x2 Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0a92:0091 EGO SYStems, Inc. //* USB-Soundkarte Audiotrak Maya 44 USB Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 # lsmod Module Size Used by snd_pcm_oss 47520 0 snd_mixer_oss 17024 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_seq_oss 32064 0 snd_seq_midi_event 5888 1 snd_seq_oss snd_seq 49488 8 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event snd_usb_audio 72640 0 snd_pcm 81416 2 snd_pcm_oss,snd_usb_audio snd_timer 21380 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 8392 1 snd_pcm snd_usb_lib 13568 1 snd_usb_audio snd_rawmidi 20512 1 snd_usb_lib snd_seq_device 6988 3 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi snd_hwdep 7072 1 snd_usb_audio snd 46436 12 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_hwdep soundcore 7392 1 snd shfs 48720 0 realtime 7816 0 forcedeth 16896 0 [...] Some ideas? From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Jan 4 10:50:50 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Jan 4 10:50:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <1136309195.24703.23.camel@mindpipe> References: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> <87psn9xsp4.fsf@laymusic.org> <1136309195.24703.23.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200601041550.51117.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 03 January 2006 17:26, Lee Revell was like: > On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 10:00 -0500, Laura Conrad wrote: > > >>>>> "DB" == David Baron writes: > > > > DB> Still cannot get this to play. Kernel boots up fine loading of > > DB> any alsa fails with a bunch of undefined symbols. I am using > > DB> neither udev nor devfs (no longer in kernel)--based on an old > > DB> knoppix hdinstall, upgraded to Debian Sid. > > > > DB> Kernels through 2.6.11 worked fine. 2.6.12 --mpu401 fails, > > DB> 2.6.14 alsa audio fails. Fun. > > > > That's very similar to my system, and I was pleasantly surprised that > > installing 2.6.14 "just worked". I had to run alsaconf, and then I > > had audio with all the exact same problems I'd had with 2.6.12. I > > haven't had hardware MIDI working since 2.4 or maybe even 2.2, and I > > haven't tested recording recently, but playing works fine. > > > > If you need to compare your setup to mine, feel free to ask. > > What soundcard driver are you using? What exactly do you mean by > "hardware midi doesn't work". > > Please, be specific with these bug reports or they are useless. I have always found it necessary to add snd-seq-midi to /etc/modules to get MIDI to work on my DeMuDi systems. I find http://alsa.opensrc.org/aadebug to be a useful source of diagnostic info (you can always snip the modprobe conf section). I suspect most posters to this list aren't intending to make formal bug reports, however, if we make a habit of including this information in a familiar format it makes it easier for everyone to zero in on each particular case and may provide useful incidental information. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From roberts.noah at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 11:14:40 2006 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:14:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Copyleftmedia News: The GIMP and Sex, New Madonna Remix Project contributions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <567aa5f60601040814m333474b6r3a4fdd34f520e8d2@mail.gmail.com> On 1/3/06, cmetzler@speakeasy.net wrote: > Ah. Disagreement with you, or annoyance at attempts to move an off-topic > dispute from somewhere else into here too, equals immaturity. All I needed > to know. Yeah, WTF does this have to do with Linux *AUDIO*? From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Jan 4 13:23:18 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:30:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [admin] music.columbia.edu server downtime In-Reply-To: (Peder Hedlund's message of "Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:53:41 +0100 (CET)") References: <43B9BF9C.7040506@folkwang-hochschule.de> <87u0clnlh7.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1136311732.24703.51.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <87ek3nvomh.fsf@esben-stien.name> Peder Hedlund writes: > Linux is [..] good [..] but BSD (OSX) isn't? It really has everything to do with freedom, in my opinion. OSX is a proprietary platform with a public domain licensed kernel. It also has nothing to do with what's better, as far as I'm concerned. By using it, in any manner, I think, is the wrong message to send from a community centered around freedom, as I see it. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From arnold.krille at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 11:20:07 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:43:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: music.columbia.edu server downtime In-Reply-To: <43B9BF9C.7040506@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <43B9BF9C.7040506@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <2def88b80601040820we0c2251w@mail.gmail.com> 2006/1/3, Joern Nettingsmeier : > the music department at columbia university are taking the list server > down for an upgrade on the coming weekend, so expect interruptions for > linux-audio-dev, linux-audio-user and linux-audio-announce. you will > probably want to keep a copy of all the mails you send over the weekend, > so that you can re-send them in case they end up in the bit bucket. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/10/15/the_bofh_questionnaire_how_geeky/ the seventh question is about the next weekend and determines wether you are a geek or not... Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From adphillips at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 14:46:44 2006 From: adphillips at gmail.com (Aaron Phillips) Date: Wed Jan 4 14:46:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: A bit of homemade music In-Reply-To: <20051224020802.GA12966@xscd.com> References: <200512211000.jBL9wf7o030144@roar.music.columbia.edu> <20051223235417.50ae2646@gavmusic.gavmusic> <20051224020802.GA12966@xscd.com> Message-ID: <6414696f0601041146p6789e845y775aa9638fb2fc80@mail.gmail.com> On 12/23/05, Steve D wrote:> Ron, I've been wanting to thank you publicly for your information on the> 'net about the mastering process and about Jamin. I have learned so much> from reading your words (although I have a long way to go). Hi all, I am a newbie to linux-based recording and recording ingeneral and have been a lurker on hear for a few months learning aton! Thanks! I was wondering, Steve, if you have a link to theinformation about mastering you are referring to here. BTW, The new piece is excellent. I am a fan of the Doonan music,especially http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/thorsten-wilms-and-steve-doonan_this-and-that.ogg Thanks,Aaron From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Wed Jan 4 15:38:36 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:38:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: vst: emulate mac intead of win? In-Reply-To: <200512281208.jBSC837l005592@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200512281208.jBSC837l005592@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: COCHARD Yves: > Subject: [linux-audio-user] vst: emulate mac intead of win? > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Message-ID: <43B18B94.7070801@unifr.ch> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi! > > Probably one more stupid idea from me, but here it is: > > Does someone already try to run a vst plugin under linux through a mac's > emulation instead of a windows one? May be it could give less problems > than the wine install... Well I write this because a friend install a > mac emulator and told me it works really good! (but he didn't use it for > audio purpose) > > I don't have any knowlege about emulation, but if mac's stuff is based > on unix, then it might easier for vst in linux? > Well, probably not. Wine is not an emulator, but a windows api implementation for unix. Doing an emulation to run vst plugins would probably make things a bazillion times harder than it already is, not to speak about the loss of performance. -- From ben at glw.com Wed Jan 4 18:13:06 2006 From: ben at glw.com (Ben Loftis) Date: Wed Jan 4 17:16:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multi-port MIDI interface In-Reply-To: <200512192045.jBJKjC7n019008@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200512192045.jBJKjC7n019008@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200601041713.06415.ben@glw.com> What are the good multi-port MIDI interface available for Linux? The ALSA matrix was some help, but without reading every entry it is hard to decipher how many ports each device has. So far I have found the M-Audio MidiSport 8x8. Is that the biggest/best interface available? Thanks in advance, Ben Loftis http://www.harrisonconsoles.com http://www.studiooutfitters.com From lconrad at laymusic.org Wed Jan 4 17:33:03 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Wed Jan 4 17:33:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <200601041550.51117.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> (tim hall's message of "Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:50:50 +0000") References: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> <87psn9xsp4.fsf@laymusic.org> <1136309195.24703.23.camel@mindpipe> <200601041550.51117.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <873bk3wrmo.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "th" == tim hall writes: th> I find http://alsa.opensrc.org/aadebug to be a useful source th> of diagnostic info (you can always snip the modprobe conf th> section). I suspect most posters to this list aren't intending th> to make formal bug reports, however, if we make a habit of th> including this information in a familiar format it makes it th> easier for everyone to zero in on each particular case and may th> provide useful incidental information. One reason it doesn't look like people do that very often is that it's real easy to run over the list limit when you attach a couple of files of debugging output. Would it maybe make sense to up that limit a bit? -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From lconrad at laymusic.org Wed Jan 4 15:38:40 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Wed Jan 4 17:36:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <200601041550.51117.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> (tim hall's message of "Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:50:50 +0000") References: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> <87psn9xsp4.fsf@laymusic.org> <1136309195.24703.23.camel@mindpipe> <200601041550.51117.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <87zmmbvcww.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "th" == tim hall writes: th> On Tuesday 03 January 2006 17:26, Lee Revell was like: >> What soundcard driver are you using? What exactly do you mean by >> "hardware midi doesn't work". emu10k1 >> >> Please, be specific with these bug reports or they are useless. th> I have always found it necessary to add th> snd-seq-midi th> to /etc/modules to get MIDI to work on my DeMuDi systems. I have that. As far as I know, all the modules are loaded correctly, and when I say "pmidi -l", I get: Port Client name Port name 62:0 Midi Through Midi Through Port-0 64:0 EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) 65:0 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 0 65:1 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 1 65:2 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 2 65:3 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 3 But when I say "pmidi -p 65:0 score.midi", it looks like it's trying to play, but I don't hear any sound. ("timidity score.midi" plays fine, and I've used asfxload to load a soundfont.) 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To get that out of the equation I run directly on top of alsa without jack. Now what I'd like to know is how much of alsa is updated through apt-get update from unstable? And how key are these parts to my simple setup? Are there ways to keep the system more stable than what I have? Thanks in advance for any pointers... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From tdhoward at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 18:11:52 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Wed Jan 4 18:11:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems Message-ID: Hello, I'm having exactly the same problem with my emu10k1 (SBLive 5.1) sound card. All the MIDI programs I try seem to _think_ they're working... but still no sound! (Other audio works fine, though.) I have used the SuSE and Fedora distros, but same thing. Any other ideas? > Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:38:40 -0500 > From: Laura Conrad > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems > To: A list for linux audio users > Message-ID: <87zmmbvcww.fsf@laymusic.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >>>>> "th" == tim hall writes: > > th> On Tuesday 03 January 2006 17:26, Lee Revell was like: > > >> What soundcard driver are you using? What exactly do you mean by > >> "hardware midi doesn't work". > > emu10k1 > > >> > >> Please, be specific with these bug reports or they are useless. > > th> I have always found it necessary to add > th> snd-seq-midi > th> to /etc/modules to get MIDI to work on my DeMuDi systems. > > I have that. As far as I know, all the modules are loaded correctly, > and when I say "pmidi -l", I get: > > Port Client name Port name > 62:0 Midi Through Midi Through Port-0 > 64:0 EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) > 65:0 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 0 > 65:1 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 1 > 65:2 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 2 > 65:3 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 3 > > But when I say "pmidi -p 65:0 score.midi", it looks like it's trying > to play, but I don't hear any sound. ("timidity score.midi" plays > fine, and I've used asfxload to load a soundfont.) > > It may well be a mixer problem, but I've unmuted and raised the volume > on everything that looks at all plausible. > From lconrad at laymusic.org Wed Jan 4 19:46:09 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Wed Jan 4 19:46:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] keeping alsa stable In-Reply-To: <43BC5267.1070107@gmail.com> (Atte =?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9?= Jensen's message of "Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:55:35 +0100") References: <43BC5267.1070107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87hd8jv6we.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "AAJ" == Atte Andr? Jensen writes: AAJ> Now what I'd like to know is how much of alsa is updated through AAJ> apt-get update from unstable? And how key are these parts to my simple AAJ> setup? Are there ways to keep the system more stable than what I have? Nothing is changed by "apt-get update" except the list of things that can be installed by "apt-get ...". You probably meant to say "apt-get upgrade". I solve the problem of not having that break things by never running it at all. What I do instead is I have a script that runs "apt-get update", and then "apt-get install" for a list of things that I want to keep up-to-date on. Which does actually include alsa in my case, since I'm having problems that i hope someone might fix some day. Another piece of my system is that I read the Debian Weekly News and when they have a security update to something I use, I add that to the list of things that get installed after an update. If you really need to not have something updated, you should pin it. For instance, at the moment, I can't upgrade tetex, because it would break the version of lilypond I run, so I have a file /etc/apt/preferences which contains the lines: Package: tetex-base Pin: version 2.0.2* Pin-Priority: 1001 -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From brad at sonaural.com Wed Jan 4 19:51:56 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Wed Jan 4 19:52:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multi-port MIDI interface In-Reply-To: <200601041713.06415.ben@glw.com> References: <200512192045.jBJKjC7n019008@roar.music.columbia.edu> <200601041713.06415.ben@glw.com> Message-ID: <43BC6DAC.7090909@sonaural.com> Ben Loftis wrote: >What are the good multi-port MIDI interface available for Linux? > >The ALSA matrix was some help, but without reading every entry it is hard to >decipher how many ports each device has. So far I have found the M-Audio >MidiSport 8x8. Is that the biggest/best interface available? > > I don't know. But it works for me fine. -- *Brad Fuller* +1 (408) 799-6124 *Sonaural Audio Studio* See Us At GDC 2006 Hear us online: www.Sonaural.com See me on O'Reilly From ross at jose.lug.udel.edu Wed Jan 4 20:22:43 2006 From: ross at jose.lug.udel.edu (Ross Vandegrift) Date: Wed Jan 4 20:22:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Frontier Design Tranzport working In-Reply-To: <20051018083940.89629.qmail@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051018083940.89629.qmail@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060105012243.GA11745@lug.udel.edu> On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 01:39:40AM -0700, Arthur Choung wrote: > I just got a Frontier Design Tranzport and after a little bit of work, > I finally got it working with Linux. I was wondering if anyone was > interested in knowing how it works and what not. If so, I will put > together some documentation and source code and post it somewhere. Hello Art, I was just looking back over this thread from October and I wasn't sure if you ever followed up with any info about the device, its capabilities with the software you use, and how you got it running. Did I miss the message? I'm starting to get my new place setup with all my gear, and I just thought back to this little device and drooled a bit! ::-) -- Ross Vandegrift ross@lug.udel.edu "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell." --St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37 From mike.taht at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 22:11:08 2006 From: mike.taht at gmail.com (Mike Taht) Date: Wed Jan 4 22:11:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Frontier Design Tranzport working In-Reply-To: <20060105012243.GA11745@lug.udel.edu> References: <20051018083940.89629.qmail@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> <20060105012243.GA11745@lug.udel.edu> Message-ID: <158277e20601041911t6d9ca234k8d4bdc4b262c4087@mail.gmail.com> I got one for pre-christmas, but (given that my primary use for it is ardour, and ardour is too much in flux to use) haven't done much with it yet. I was basically going to hack some X keyboard synthesis tool to make it send along events.... but I'm sure if someone on the list were to get more motivated about the tranzport I could help out. On 1/4/06, Ross Vandegrift wrote: > On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 01:39:40AM -0700, Arthur Choung wrote: > > I just got a Frontier Design Tranzport and after a little bit of work, > > I finally got it working with Linux. I was wondering if anyone was > > interested in knowing how it works and what not. If so, I will put > > together some documentation and source code and post it somewhere. > > Hello Art, > > I was just looking back over this thread from October and I wasn't > sure if you ever followed up with any info about the device, its > capabilities with the software you use, and how you got it running. > > Did I miss the message? I'm starting to get my new place setup with > all my gear, and I just thought back to this little device and drooled > a bit! ::-) > > -- > Ross Vandegrift > ross@lug.udel.edu > > "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who > make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians > have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine > man in the bonds of Hell." > --St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37 > -- Mike Taht PostCards From the Bleeding Edge http://the-edge.blogspot.com From cmetzler at speakeasy.net Thu Jan 5 00:55:25 2006 From: cmetzler at speakeasy.net (cmetzler@speakeasy.net) Date: Thu Jan 5 00:56:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems Message-ID: > I'm having exactly the same problem with my emu10k1 (SBLive 5.1) > sound card. All the MIDI programs I try seem to _think_ they're > working... but still no sound! (Other audio works fine, though.) I > have used the SuSE and Fedora distros, but same thing. > Any other ideas? Just to verify: you loaded a valid soundfont into the wavetable synth, and you're sure you're sending the MIDI command sequence to the wavetable synth? -c From groups at xscd.com Thu Jan 5 01:20:03 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Thu Jan 5 01:21:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: A bit of homemade music In-Reply-To: <6414696f0601041146p6789e845y775aa9638fb2fc80@mail.gmail.com> References: <200512211000.jBL9wf7o030144@roar.music.columbia.edu> <20051223235417.50ae2646@gavmusic.gavmusic> <20051224020802.GA12966@xscd.com> <6414696f0601041146p6789e845y775aa9638fb2fc80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060105062003.GA5314@xscd.com> On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 02:46:44PM -0500, Aaron Phillips wrote: > I was wondering, Steve, if you have a link to theinformation > about mastering you are referring to here. Sure. ;-) Here are a few links you might enjoy: http://www.djcj.org/LAU/quicktoots/toots/Loudness/ http://jamin.sourceforge.net/en/tutorial.html http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb04/articles/mirrorimage.htm > BTW, The new piece is > excellent. I am a fan of the Doonan music,especially > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/thorsten-wilms-and-steve-doonan_this-and-that.ogg Ahh-- Thank you. ;-) Thorstens great percussion track was both inspiring and a challenge to work with. I enjoyed it very much, although it placed a restriction on my creativity because there were some melodic and harmonic elements already in place on that track (it was just a single track). So, I had to try to think of additional harmony and melody that fit in, somehow, with the existing non-percussion elements of Thorsten's piece. It stretched my abilities, but it was a lot of fun. I wish I had Thorsten's talent with percussion-- Best wishes, Steve D New Mexico, US -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Politics is the stomping ground where personal ambition and greed parade around as altruistic service. -Eli Khamarov ---------------------------------------------------------------- From florin at andrei.myip.org Thu Jan 5 01:55:41 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Thu Jan 5 01:55:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: A bit of homemade music In-Reply-To: <20060105062003.GA5314@xscd.com> References: <200512211000.jBL9wf7o030144@roar.music.columbia.edu> <20051223235417.50ae2646@gavmusic.gavmusic> <20051224020802.GA12966@xscd.com> <6414696f0601041146p6789e845y775aa9638fb2fc80@mail.gmail.com> <20060105062003.GA5314@xscd.com> Message-ID: <1136444142.3259.8.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 23:20 -0700, Steve D wrote: > http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb04/articles/mirrorimage.htm The latest Sound On Sound (January 2006, the US/International Edition) has an excellent article about mixing by Paul White. Highly recommended. Same issue also has a good article about mastering, albeit it's focused on a given software (Logic Pro), again by Paul White. This magazine rocks! -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From v2 at iki.fi Thu Jan 5 02:36:15 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Thu Jan 5 02:36:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Frontier Design Tranzport working Message-ID: <1136446575.43bccc6f4dd85@www2.helsinki.fi> Quoting Mike Taht : > I got one for pre-christmas, but (given that my primary use for it is > ardour, and ardour is too much in flux to use) haven't done much with > it yet. I was basically going to hack some X keyboard synthesis tool > to make it send along events.... but I'm sure if someone on the list > were to get more motivated about the tranzport I could help out. By hacking together, i assume you mean by using http://tranzport.sourceforge.net/ ? Can I suggest you a route to go about? Don't send keyboard events to ardour. That will make the software unreliable (focus changes, tranzport "dies"). There are better options: Ardour responds to MTC/MMC. You can make a piece of software which listens to the tranzport events, translates them into MTC/MMC and sends them to a alsa sequencer port. This means that you can use the tranzport to control ardour, any other software which uses MTC/MMC, _and_ all external equipment who support it. Of course, this way you can't get all the cool information like metering, track names, etc. which you would get with better ardour integration. Otoh, this way you get yourself acquainted with the device and it will help you when the time comes to write the "real" driver for ardour. Sampo From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 03:53:34 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QXR0ZSBBbmRyw6kgSmVuc2Vu?=) Date: Thu Jan 5 03:53:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] keeping alsa stable In-Reply-To: <87hd8jv6we.fsf@laymusic.org> References: <43BC5267.1070107@gmail.com> <87hd8jv6we.fsf@laymusic.org> Message-ID: <43BCDE8E.5090801@gmail.com> Laura Conrad wrote: > Nothing is changed by "apt-get update" except the list of things that > can be installed by "apt-get ...". You probably meant to say "apt-get > upgrade". Sure, stupid typo... > If you really need to not have something updated, you should pin it. Yeah I know pinning and used it sometimes. But I still need to know how much the packages "alsa", "alsa-base", "alsautils", "alsa-utils" "alsa-tools" and "libasound2" can break the stability of alsa... I mean they contain the userspace tools I presume. And the only tool I explicitly use is aconnect. But others might be needed for alsa to work correctly... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From ivalladt at punkass.com Thu Jan 5 04:11:00 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Jan 5 04:11:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] keeping alsa stable In-Reply-To: <87hd8jv6we.fsf@laymusic.org> References: <43BC5267.1070107@gmail.com> <87hd8jv6we.fsf@laymusic.org> Message-ID: <20060105091100.GB3004@spma33> Laura Conrad escribe: > What I do instead is I have a script that runs "apt-get update", and > then "apt-get install" for a list of things that I want to keep > up-to-date on. Which does actually include alsa in my case, since I'm > having problems that i hope someone might fix some day. It must be kept in mind that the only reason there should be for running sid should be helping Debian developers and not day to day usage. If wanting to have updated software it looks far more suitable pinning to stable or testing tracking a limited number of packages from unstable. Another chance, the best from a stability point of view, is sticking to stable and backporting packages when a newer version is needed. I've running woody for years with some backports from sarge for important software I wanted to have updated and few things ever broke. Some links below I hope useful: http://backports.org/ http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html The best about Debian is that you can have exactly the flavour you want. :) Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Jan 5 04:59:30 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Jan 5 04:59:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: A bit of homemade music In-Reply-To: <20060105062003.GA5314@xscd.com> References: <200512211000.jBL9wf7o030144@roar.music.columbia.edu> <20051223235417.50ae2646@gavmusic.gavmusic> <20051224020802.GA12966@xscd.com> <6414696f0601041146p6789e845y775aa9638fb2fc80@mail.gmail.com> <20060105062003.GA5314@xscd.com> Message-ID: <20060105095930.GA6802@charly.SWORD> On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 11:20:03PM -0700, Steve D wrote: > > Ahh-- Thank you. ;-) Thorstens great percussion track was both inspiring > and a challenge to work with. I enjoyed it very much, although it placed > a restriction on my creativity because there were some melodic and > harmonic elements already in place on that track (it was just a single > track). So, I had to try to think of additional harmony and melody that > fit in, somehow, with the existing non-percussion elements of Thorsten's > piece. It stretched my abilities, but it was a lot of fun. I wish I had > Thorsten's talent with percussion-- Well, thank you :D I would wish for your talent/skills on keys and composition, Steve. But I know I can grow if I just keep doing it ;) If you would like to do something like that again, drop me a note and I will cook something up with nothing but percussion (this offer is open to everyone else, too, btw). I could throw in some harmonies to not make it too simple, of course ;) cheers, Thorsten Wilms From pgclarke at beeb.net Thu Jan 5 06:57:00 2006 From: pgclarke at beeb.net (Peter Clarke) Date: Thu Jan 5 06:58:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: M-Audio MidiSport 2x2 In-Reply-To: <200601041647.k04GlQ7m031482@roar.music.columbia.edu> References: <200601041647.k04GlQ7m031482@roar.music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200601051957.00328.pgclarke@beeb.net> Markus Herhoffer wrote: > I've been using the M-Audio Midisport 2x2 together with > the Maya 44 USB for a long time and it worked quite well. > But after an update of ALSA only the Maya 44 works. The > module 'snd-usb-audio' is loaded properly and the device > is recognized by the system. I've also put > 'snd-usb-audio' on the blacklist of hotplug, because > hotplug makes some real trouble with USB audio devices. I had exactly the same problem when updating Gentoo recently. Hans Fugal kindly tried to help me on this list on 6 Dec 2005, and sent me this informative link: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1353514&group_id=87777&atid=584353 However, that didn't fix it for me. Now, I have an ugly workaround in place: a little script that gets run by /etc/conf.d/local.start, which contains the following: #! /bin/bash modprobe snd-usb-audio cd /usr/share/usb/midisport fxload -D /proc/bus/usb/004/003 MidiSportLoader.ihx -I \ MidiSport2x2.ihx exit This works, provided that the MidiSport is always at the same USB bus address; in your case, you will have to change the /004/003 to /002/003. Hope that helps. I'm interested by your comment "hotplug makes some real trouble with USB audio devices". I'm having trouble getting the audio side of my Novation Speedio (a USB audio and MIDI interface) to work properly (as per previous posts on this list) - could this be related? If so, what do I do to run it without hotplug? Just one more comment while I'm mailing the list: if anyone uses the Proteus 2000 (a hardware synth), you might be interested in having a copy of a spreadsheet I've prepared, which has descriptions of all the drums and percussion sounds in the ROM it ships with. Let me know. Peter C From adrian at f4z.org Thu Jan 5 07:10:39 2006 From: adrian at f4z.org (Adrian Prantl) Date: Thu Jan 5 07:10:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Slightly OT: Jack-aware applications on OSX Message-ID: <8BADA441-A2F6-4236-B7AA-FFAE782C0650@f4z.org> Hello, I wonder if there is a list of jack-aware applications that also work on MacOS X? So far I'm a happy user of Ardour and Hydrogen, but I'm missing a MIDI Sequencer type app, like Seq24 or Muse. cheers, Adrian From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Jan 5 07:26:33 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Jan 5 07:26:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <873bk3wrmo.fsf@laymusic.org> References: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> <200601041550.51117.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <873bk3wrmo.fsf@laymusic.org> Message-ID: <200601051226.34280.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 04 January 2006 22:33, Laura Conrad was like: > One reason it doesn't look like people do that very often is that it's > real easy to run over the list limit when you attach a couple of files > of debugging output. ?Would it maybe make sense to up that limit a > bit? I didn't realise there was a limit on what you can send. :| -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Jan 5 07:35:08 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Jan 5 07:35:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <87zmmbvcww.fsf@laymusic.org> References: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> <200601041550.51117.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <87zmmbvcww.fsf@laymusic.org> Message-ID: <200601051235.08745.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 04 January 2006 20:38, Laura Conrad was like: > I have that. ?As far as I know, all the modules are loaded correctly, > and when I say "pmidi -l", I get: > > ?Port ? ? Client name ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Port name > ?62:0 ? ? Midi Through ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Midi Through Port-0 > ?64:0 ? ? EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) ? ? ? ? ? ?EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) > ?65:0 ? ? Emu10k1 WaveTable ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Emu10k1 Port 0 > ?65:1 ? ? Emu10k1 WaveTable ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Emu10k1 Port 1 > ?65:2 ? ? Emu10k1 WaveTable ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Emu10k1 Port 2 > ?65:3 ? ? Emu10k1 WaveTable ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Emu10k1 Port 3 > > But when I say "pmidi -p 65:0 score.midi", it looks like it's trying > to play, but I don't hear any sound. ?("timidity score.midi" plays > fine, and I've used asfxload to load a soundfont.) > > It may well be a mixer problem, but I've unmuted and raised the volume > on everything that looks at all plausible. OK, I understand what you mean now. Sorry, I haven't a clue. Looks like MIDI is configured properly. Today I have the brain of a hyperactive goldfish. Signing off now. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Jan 5 07:39:20 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Jan 5 07:39:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] keeping alsa stable In-Reply-To: <43BC5267.1070107@gmail.com> References: <43BC5267.1070107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200601051239.21355.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 04 January 2006 22:55, Atte Andr? Jensen was like: > I thinking about how to make the audio part of my debian/unstable as > stable (stable as in "not affected by apt-get upgrades in a bad way") as > possible. I'm using the realtime kernel from demudi which should provide > ost of alsa. And csound5 is compiled in different dirs (not installed) > so I can switch version simply by changing a symlink. To get that out of > the equation I run directly on top of alsa without jack. > > Now what I'd like to know is how much of alsa is updated through apt-get > update from unstable? And how key are these parts to my simple setup? > Are there ways to keep the system more stable than what I have? Possibly by using other packages from DeMuDi (1.3 - 'etch' compatible branch)? -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From lconrad at laymusic.org Thu Jan 5 07:51:11 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Thu Jan 5 07:51:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <200601051226.34280.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> (tim hall's message of "Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:26:33 +0000") References: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> <200601041550.51117.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <873bk3wrmo.fsf@laymusic.org> <200601051226.34280.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <87wtheu9c0.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "th" == tim hall writes: th> On Wednesday 04 January 2006 22:33, Laura Conrad was like: >> One reason it doesn't look like people do that very often is that it's >> real easy to run over the list limit when you attach a couple of files >> of debugging output. ?Would it maybe make sense to up that limit a >> bit? th> I didn't realise there was a limit on what you can send. :| Thirty thousand characters. Which seems low. The output of aadebug (without removing the modutils stuff) is 14,000, and the output of amixer is 9,000. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From markus at herhoffer.net Thu Jan 5 10:01:01 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Thu Jan 5 08:51:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: M-Audio MidiSport 2x2 In-Reply-To: <200601051957.00328.pgclarke@beeb.net> References: <200601041647.k04GlQ7m031482@roar.music.columbia.edu> <200601051957.00328.pgclarke@beeb.net> Message-ID: <43BD34AD.7040809@herhoffer.net> Thanks for the help! That looks very good. > #! /bin/bash > modprobe snd-usb-audio > cd /usr/share/usb/midisport > fxload -D /proc/bus/usb/004/003 MidiSportLoader.ihx -I \ > MidiSport2x2.ihx > exit Where do I get the files located in /usr/share/usb/midisport? There's nothing like that on my system. > I'm interested by your comment "hotplug makes some real > trouble with USB audio devices". I'm having trouble > getting the audio side of my Novation Speedio (a USB audio > and MIDI interface) to work properly (as per previous posts > on this list) - could this be related? If so, what do I do > to run it without hotplug? I don't know the Novation device, but I had some problems with the Maya 44 USB and some Tascam USxxx (both USB) together with hotplug. The solution to both problems was to add the corresponding kernel modules to the blacklist of hotplug. On Gentoo with the standard layout you find the blacklist in /etc/hotplug/blacklist. On default there should be some entries in it like 'usbcore' and 'usb-uhci'. Markus Herhoffer Peter Clarke wrote: > Markus Herhoffer wrote: > > >>I've been using the M-Audio Midisport 2x2 together with >>the Maya 44 USB for a long time and it worked quite well. >>But after an update of ALSA only the Maya 44 works. The >>module 'snd-usb-audio' is loaded properly and the device >>is recognized by the system. I've also put >>'snd-usb-audio' on the blacklist of hotplug, because >>hotplug makes some real trouble with USB audio devices. > > > I had exactly the same problem when updating Gentoo > recently. Hans Fugal kindly tried to help me on this list > on 6 Dec 2005, and sent me this informative link: > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1353514&group_id=87777&atid=584353 > > However, that didn't fix it for me. Now, I have an ugly > workaround in place: a little script that gets run > by /etc/conf.d/local.start, which contains the following: > > #! /bin/bash > modprobe snd-usb-audio > cd /usr/share/usb/midisport > fxload -D /proc/bus/usb/004/003 MidiSportLoader.ihx -I \ > MidiSport2x2.ihx > exit > > This works, provided that the MidiSport is always at the > same USB bus address; in your case, you will have to > change the /004/003 to /002/003. > > Hope that helps. > > I'm interested by your comment "hotplug makes some real > trouble with USB audio devices". I'm having trouble > getting the audio side of my Novation Speedio (a USB audio > and MIDI interface) to work properly (as per previous posts > on this list) - could this be related? If so, what do I do > to run it without hotplug? > > Just one more comment while I'm mailing the list: if anyone > uses the Proteus 2000 (a hardware synth), you might be > interested in having a copy of a spreadsheet I've prepared, > which has descriptions of all the drums and percussion > sounds in the ROM it ships with. Let me know. > > Peter C From ross at jose.lug.udel.edu Thu Jan 5 11:24:16 2006 From: ross at jose.lug.udel.edu (Ross Vandegrift) Date: Thu Jan 5 11:24:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: M-Audio MidiSport 2x2 In-Reply-To: <200601051957.00328.pgclarke@beeb.net> References: <200601041647.k04GlQ7m031482@roar.music.columbia.edu> <200601051957.00328.pgclarke@beeb.net> Message-ID: <20060105162416.GA1319@lug.udel.edu> On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 07:57:00PM +0800, Peter Clarke wrote: > I'm interested by your comment "hotplug makes some real > trouble with USB audio devices". I'm having trouble > getting the audio side of my Novation Speedio (a USB audio > and MIDI interface) to work properly (as per previous posts > on this list) - could this be related? If so, what do I do > to run it without hotplug? Well, it's kind of a catch22. The problem is that the USB device numbers don't seem to be constant. My MIDI interface gets a different address almost every time I plug it in. There's no easy way to figure out where it got added, and if you have multiple devices of the same make/model, you're actually SOL. hotplug events gets sent when the device is plugged - so when hotplug gets called is the only point in time when you can know what numbers your device came up with. So to be be 100% sure, you must use hotplug. If you're Speedio is the only device you have, then it's pretty easy to just load the modules by hand like you might for a PCI card - whatever USB numbers are actually related to a device must be your box since you've only got one. FWIW - I don't think it'll help your audio issue. If hotplugging brings up the MIDI side, loading modules by hand is going to do the same thing. If you need some firmware, it could be an issue with the firmware that you're loading. -- Ross Vandegrift ross@lug.udel.edu "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell." --St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37 From tdhoward at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 11:45:18 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Thu Jan 5 11:45:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems Message-ID: cmetzler wrote: > > I'm having exactly the same problem with my emu10k1 (SBLive 5.1) > > sound card. All the MIDI programs I try seem to _think_ they're > > working... but still no sound! (Other audio works fine, though.) I > > have used the SuSE and Fedora distros, but same thing. > > Any other ideas? > > Just to verify: you loaded a valid soundfont into the wavetable synth, > and you're sure you're sending the MIDI command sequence to the wavetable > synth? > I have loaded the same soundfont that I use under Windoze, and all the instruments show up in Rosegarden... But still no sound. It's probably something ridiculously simple, since I'm new to this... Are there any utilities to check Midi status, etc. that would be helpful in troubleshooting this? From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jan 5 14:59:35 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jan 5 14:59:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1136491176.31583.56.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 08:45 -0800, Tim Howard wrote: > cmetzler wrote: > > > I'm having exactly the same problem with my emu10k1 (SBLive 5.1) > > > sound card. All the MIDI programs I try seem to _think_ they're > > > working... but still no sound! (Other audio works fine, though.) I > > > have used the SuSE and Fedora distros, but same thing. > > > Any other ideas? > > > > Just to verify: you loaded a valid soundfont into the wavetable synth, > > and you're sure you're sending the MIDI command sequence to the wavetable > > synth? > > > > I have loaded the same soundfont that I use under Windoze, and all the > instruments show up in Rosegarden... But still no sound. It's > probably something ridiculously simple, since I'm new to this... Are > there any utilities to check Midi status, etc. that would be helpful > in troubleshooting this? > I guess you made sure to raise the "Synth" volume? What are the contents of /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1? Try aplaymidi -p 65:0 file.mid rather than pmidi, pmidi seems to be old and unmaintained. Lee From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Jan 5 15:14:20 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Jan 5 15:14:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <87zmmbvcww.fsf@laymusic.org> References: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> <200601041550.51117.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <87zmmbvcww.fsf@laymusic.org> Message-ID: <200601052114.21072.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 04 January 2006 21:38, Laura Conrad wrote: > >>>>> "th" == tim hall writes: > > th> On Tuesday 03 January 2006 17:26, Lee Revell was like: > >> What soundcard driver are you using? What exactly do you mean by > >> "hardware midi doesn't work". > > emu10k1 > > >> Please, be specific with these bug reports or they are useless. > > th> I have always found it necessary to add > th> snd-seq-midi > th> to /etc/modules to get MIDI to work on my DeMuDi systems. > > I have that. As far as I know, all the modules are loaded correctly, > and when I say "pmidi -l", I get: > > Port Client name Port name > 62:0 Midi Through Midi Through Port-0 > 64:0 EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) > 65:0 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 0 > 65:1 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 1 > 65:2 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 2 > 65:3 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 3 > > But when I say "pmidi -p 65:0 score.midi", it looks like it's trying > to play, but I don't hear any sound. ("timidity score.midi" plays > fine, and I've used asfxload to load a soundfont.) > > It may well be a mixer problem, but I've unmuted and raised the volume > on everything that looks at all plausible. Hi Laura. I may be going down the wrong road here, but it appears you have 2 cards. The one on the MOBO, and the Creative one. Do you have them both set up to speakers? If so. Are you sure that when you are getting sound output, thats it's through the Creative card, and not the onboard one. Please run. cat /proc/asound/cards to see what order your cards are being loaded, and post it . Do you have Qjackctl installed (the front end to Jack) ? If not, I'd suggest installing it, as you can play with a lot of settings. If so. Have a look in "Settings" and the box marked Interface. Compare the HW # with the card number for the Creative card from cat /proc/asound/cards. If it is different, change the HW # to the number of the Creative card, and try the midi again. I'm clutching at straws here, but did have problems with my USB midi keyboard being detected as a soundcard, and as the USB starts up early in the boot process, Alsa was asigning it as the first card. I only work with the one sound card, an Audigy2 soundblaster, so have no idea on how the 2 card setup works, but it may be worth looking in Qjackctl, even if it's just to cross something else off the list. All the best. Nigel. From hans at fugal.net Thu Jan 5 15:32:50 2006 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Thu Jan 5 15:33:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: M-Audio MidiSport 2x2 In-Reply-To: <200601051957.00328.pgclarke@beeb.net> References: <200601041647.k04GlQ7m031482@roar.music.columbia.edu> <200601051957.00328.pgclarke@beeb.net> Message-ID: <20060105203250.GC15007@falcon.fugal.net> On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 at 19:57 +0800, Peter Clarke wrote: > Markus Herhoffer wrote: > > > I've been using the M-Audio Midisport 2x2 together with > > the Maya 44 USB for a long time and it worked quite well. > > But after an update of ALSA only the Maya 44 works. The > > module 'snd-usb-audio' is loaded properly and the device > > is recognized by the system. I've also put > > 'snd-usb-audio' on the blacklist of hotplug, because > > hotplug makes some real trouble with USB audio devices. > > I had exactly the same problem when updating Gentoo > recently. Hans Fugal kindly tried to help me on this list > on 6 Dec 2005, and sent me this informative link: > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1353514&group_id=87777&atid=584353 > > However, that didn't fix it for me. Now, I have an ugly > workaround in place: a little script that gets run > by /etc/conf.d/local.start, which contains the following: > > #! /bin/bash > modprobe snd-usb-audio > cd /usr/share/usb/midisport > fxload -D /proc/bus/usb/004/003 MidiSportLoader.ihx -I \ > MidiSport2x2.ihx > exit > > This works, provided that the MidiSport is always at the > same USB bus address; in your case, you will have to > change the /004/003 to /002/003. And presuming you never unplug your keyboard... I can help you get it working with udev if you'd like the more robust solution. What exactly didn't work? -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060105/6578fb54/attachment.bin From lconrad at laymusic.org Thu Jan 5 15:49:56 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Thu Jan 5 15:49:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <200601052114.21072.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> (Nigel Henry's message of "Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:14:20 +0100") References: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> <200601041550.51117.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <87zmmbvcww.fsf@laymusic.org> <200601052114.21072.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <878xtutn63.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "NH" == Nigel Henry writes: NH> Hi Laura. I may be going down the wrong road here, but it appears you have 2 NH> cards. The one on the MOBO, and the Creative one. NH> Do you have them both set up to speakers? No, only on the SBLive. NH> If so. Are you sure that when you are getting sound output, NH> thats it's through the Creative card, and not the onboard NH> one. When I run Timidity, or other sound apps, it comes out the speakers attached to the SBLive. NH> Please run. cat /proc/asound/cards to see what order your NH> cards are being loaded, and post it . [tmp]# cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [Live ]: EMU10K1 - SBLive! Platinum [CT4760P] SBLive! Platinum [CT4760P] (rev.5, serial:0x80401102) at 0xc000, irq 9 1 [rev21 ]: VIA686A - VIA 82C686A/B rev21 VIA 82C686A/B rev21 with AD1881 at 0xd000, irq 9 NH> Do you have Qjackctl installed (the front end to Jack) ? If not, I'd suggest NH> installing it, as you can play with a lot of settings. If so. Have a look in NH> "Settings" and the box marked Interface. Compare the HW # with the card NH> number for the Creative card from cat /proc/asound/cards. Both 0. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From groups at xscd.com Thu Jan 5 16:02:37 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Thu Jan 5 16:03:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: A bit of homemade music In-Reply-To: <20060105095930.GA6802@charly.SWORD> References: <200512211000.jBL9wf7o030144@roar.music.columbia.edu> <20051223235417.50ae2646@gavmusic.gavmusic> <20051224020802.GA12966@xscd.com> <6414696f0601041146p6789e845y775aa9638fb2fc80@mail.gmail.com> <20060105062003.GA5314@xscd.com> <20060105095930.GA6802@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060105210237.GA6556@xscd.com> On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 10:59:30AM +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Well, thank you :D > I would wish for your talent/skills on keys and composition, Steve. > But I know I can grow if I just keep doing it ;) I guess that's kind of how I feel about drums and percussion, which have been a strong interest of mine since I was a kid (but my parents forced me to take piano lessons, even though I wanted to learn to play a drum set). If I let embarrassment at the results prevent me from trying, I'll never get better. Fortunately, every tiny step along the way has its own value, reward, and provides a sense of fulfillment. > > If you would like to do something like that again, drop me a note and > I will cook something up with nothing but percussion (this offer is > open to everyone else, too, btw). > [...] --- --- --- I would love to try that again, Thorsten. I'm a bit worried that I might not be able to come up with some good harmonic/melodic elements to add, but I would love to attempt it. Same goes for anyone else: if you love to create drum/percussion tracks (audio, general MIDI, Hydrogen files, for example) and wouldn't mind seeing what another musician might be able to do with it, then please send the file my way, and thanks. -Steve D New Mexico, US -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. -Ralph Waldo Emerson ---------------------------------------------------------------- From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Jan 5 18:50:44 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Jan 5 18:50:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <878xtutn63.fsf@laymusic.org> References: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> <200601052114.21072.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <878xtutn63.fsf@laymusic.org> Message-ID: <200601060050.44157.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Thursday 05 January 2006 21:49, Laura Conrad wrote: > >>>>> "NH" == Nigel Henry writes: > > NH> Hi Laura. I may be going down the wrong road here, but it appears > you have 2 NH> cards. The one on the MOBO, and the Creative one. > > NH> Do you have them both set up to speakers? > > No, only on the SBLive. > > NH> If so. Are you sure that when you are getting sound output, > NH> thats it's through the Creative card, and not the onboard > NH> one. > > When I run Timidity, or other sound apps, it comes out the speakers > attached to the SBLive. > > NH> Please run. cat /proc/asound/cards to see what order your > NH> cards are being loaded, and post it . > > [tmp]# cat /proc/asound/cards > 0 [Live ]: EMU10K1 - SBLive! Platinum [CT4760P] > SBLive! Platinum [CT4760P] (rev.5, serial:0x80401102) > at 0xc000, irq 9 1 [rev21 ]: VIA686A - VIA 82C686A/B rev21 > VIA 82C686A/B rev21 with AD1881 at 0xd000, irq 9 > > > NH> Do you have Qjackctl installed (the front end to Jack) ? If not, > I'd suggest NH> installing it, as you can play with a lot of settings. If > so. Have a look in NH> "Settings" and the box marked Interface. Compare the > HW # with the card NH> number for the Creative card from cat > /proc/asound/cards. > > Both 0. Hi Laura. Are you using the onboard soundcard? Perhaps you could disable it, either in the BIOS, or from jumpers on the MOBO as I have done. It might help to remove potential problems, as I see both cards are using irq9. This may or may not be causing a problem, but if you just have your Audigy card enabled, at least you are only dealing with that card. Nigel. From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Thu Jan 5 19:01:51 2006 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier) Date: Thu Jan 5 19:01:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rlimit problem on opensuse 10.0: pam_limits: unknown limit item 'rtprio' Message-ID: <43BDB36F.10208@folkwang-hochschule.de> hi everyone! after some time of job-induced absence from audio work, i have tried to bring my audio workstation up to date again. the problem is that i can't get realtime privileges. arch is x86_64, distro is opensuse 10.0, i'm using the distro kernel, which is a 2.6.13 with additional patches. my /etc/security/limits.conf: @realtime - memlock 128000 @realtime - nice 10 @realtime - rtprio 70 the account i use is member of @realtime. on login, i get Jan 6 00:01:38 kleineronkel pam_limits[13812]: unknown limit item 'nice' Jan 6 00:01:38 kleineronkel pam_limits[13812]: unknown limit item 'rtprio' and jack tells me it can't get rt scheduling. memlock works, though. i browsed the kernel source, and it looks like the rlimit patch is there. pam is recent: pam-0.80-6 pam_ldap-178-3 pam-modules-10.0-11.2 the bash is not yet rlimits-aware (ulimit does not know about nice and rtprio), but that should not be a problem, right? is there a /proc or /sys file associated with the rlimits patch, so that i can make sure my running kernel has it? or any other command-line tools that might help to find the problem? any hints appreciated. best, j?rn ps: i'm aware of the jacklab effort, but i don't want to use realtime-lsm, and since this is a 64bit box, their packages don't buy me much. -- j?rn nettingsmeier home://germany/45128 essen/lortzingstr. 11/ http://spunk.dnsalias.org phone://+49/201/491621 if you are a free (as in "free speech") software developer and you happen to be travelling near my home, drop me a line and come round for a free (as in "free beer") beer. :-D From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 19:52:27 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Jan 5 19:52:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] keeping alsa stable In-Reply-To: <20060105091100.GB3004@spma33> References: <43BC5267.1070107@gmail.com> <87hd8jv6we.fsf@laymusic.org> <20060105091100.GB3004@spma33> Message-ID: <43BDBF4B.3000202@gmail.com> Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > It must be kept in mind that the only reason there should be for > running sid should be helping Debian developers and not day to day > usage. If wanting to have updated software it looks far more suitable > pinning to stable or testing tracking a limited number of packages > from unstable. First: I might actually install stable on the other partition on my hd, but I'll have to think a bit more about that. Next: There's plenty of reason to run unstable (at least everyone I know that runs debian on their desktop thinks so). I normally don't have any problems with my (stable) unstable box. Against stable: Stable is nice, and I pray release rates are speeded up after the fuzz about stable. But 3 years is simply too long on my desktop. I tried backporting, never liked it. Against testing: Testing is (in a bad way) in between stable and testing. It seems there's no real consensus at to when packages arrive in testing, so some part of the system is almost as old as stable and others are as unstable as unstable. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From cmetzler at speakeasy.net Thu Jan 5 23:22:33 2006 From: cmetzler at speakeasy.net (cmetzler@speakeasy.net) Date: Thu Jan 5 23:22:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems Message-ID: Tim Howard wrote: >cmetzler wrote: >>> I'm having exactly the same problem with my emu10k1 (SBLive 5.1) >>> sound card. All the MIDI programs I try seem to _think_ they're >>> working... but still no sound! (Other audio works fine, though.) I >>> have used the SuSE and Fedora distros, but same thing. >>> Any other ideas? >> >> Just to verify: you loaded a valid soundfont into the wavetable synth, >> and you're sure you're sending the MIDI command sequence to the wavetable >> synth? > > > I have loaded the same soundfont that I use under Windoze, and all the > instruments show up in Rosegarden... But still no sound. Hrm. You've tried other programs to send the MIDI sequence to the synth (e.g. aplaymidi), right? (just to make sure that it's not an issue with Rosegarden) Alternately, you've successfully played the MIDI sequence through a softsynth like timidity, right? (to point the finger directly at getting the synth working) I think I remember reading that you'd done so. Right? If so, I'm at a bit of a loss. I never had any problem getting this stuff to work. Once upon a time, about a year and a half ago, I wrote up a brief HOWTO-ish document for MIDI on Linux, but it's currently on a disk attached to a machine that won't boot. The only other thing I can think of right now: I believe I remember reading that you'd played around with all the controls in alsamixer that seemed relevant; you may want to revisit that again. I haven't seen how the emu10k1 looks in recent versions of alsa/alsamixer, but the volume control for the output of the wavetable synth used to have the singularly unhelpful title of "Music" in alsamixer. You might play around there. Or perhaps steal the mixer settings from someone who's got it working, and see if that helps. > It's > probably something ridiculously simple, since I'm new to this... S'ok. You're right that it usually is something simple, but it never seems that way until *after* the problem is solved, when it's easy to call it that! -c From rozman at fri.uni-lj.si Fri Jan 6 02:48:51 2006 From: rozman at fri.uni-lj.si (Robert Rozman) Date: Fri Jan 6 02:49:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Designing system for 'virtual' whole house audiosystem that deals with all kinds of audio sources ? Message-ID: <00af01c61295$a2e96670$1ff7a8c0@Lapitopi> Hi, I'm designing integrated home automation/entertainment system based on Linux and other open source apps. I have several possible sound sources (like Festival as speech synthesis, music players, VOIP or ordinary telephony applications, intercom) and several sound destinations (rooms in my house - can be either remote desktop running some network audio client or separate output on multichannel local audio card). Now I'd like to implement 'virtual' audio router/mixer in software that can be dynamically controlled from other program language (Perl is preffered in my case). I'd need to combine several audio sources to each sound destination (like big software switching/mixing/routing black box), dynamically change volumes, add/remove chains etc... I'd like to deal with all this with Ecasound (it can be controlled from Perl) - or should I use some other program ? I'm thinking of using Alsaplayers as music/wav players (they have software volume control) , Jack (as sound servers) and Ecasound (for routing, mixing) .... Some possible scenarions: - when internet voice call comes in, then I connect to certain channel on audio card for certain room (route two way audio stream that comes from Internet to certain audio destination/source) - when watching TV (sound going to some audio card output), speech synthesis would like to announce something (I'd like to volume down TV audio and mix speech, and then go with TV volume to normal level) - from one room I'd like to talk to another... If I think ideally - best would be to have range of "virtual" sound destinations, that could be dinamically routed,mixed to physical devices. As far as my novice knowledge goes I was thinking of using Alsaplayers as music/wav players (they have software volume control) , Festival as speech synthesis, some softphone for IP telephony (that could output to ecasound or Jack) and every other valuable suggestion for software package I get. I don't know much of Jack, maybe its also part of solution.... Any other advice in apps to use, more info or any other opinion would be more than grateful. Also if anyone made some effort or thinking in this direction - it'll be of great help... Thanks in advance, Rob. From p.pruszczak at pro.onet.pl Fri Jan 6 04:37:19 2006 From: p.pruszczak at pro.onet.pl (Piotr Pruszczak) Date: Fri Jan 6 04:38:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] keeping alsa stable In-Reply-To: <43BDBF4B.3000202@gmail.com> References: <43BC5267.1070107@gmail.com> <87hd8jv6we.fsf@laymusic.org> <20060105091100.GB3004@spma33> <43BDBF4B.3000202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43BE3A4F.5060805@pro.onet.pl> > > Next: There's plenty of reason to run unstable (at least everyone I know > that runs debian on their desktop thinks so). I normally don't have any > problems with my (stable) unstable box. I had NOT problems, too - unstable usually works fine > > Against stable: Stable is nice, and I pray release rates are speeded up > after the fuzz about stable. But 3 years is simply too long on my > desktop. I tried backporting, never liked it. this was always problem - decide between backporting or upgrade.. :/ > > Against testing: Testing is (in a bad way) in between stable and > testing. It seems there's no real consensus at to when packages arrive > in testing, so some part of the system is almost as old as stable and > others are as unstable as unstable. > Testing is more unstable the unstable itself .. it is because of "testing" means "during the freeze process" && unstable means "unsecure but working" - however who of us wants "the safest audio station on world" ;) my experience from Debian is, that it works out-of-the-box, however .... there are many little troubles and if you want to go to realtime kernel && audio apps, you can reach big number of little troubles very soon ... :/ that is the reason why I am now tuning Gentoo.... seems to be really faster, more stable with "strange work parameters" like realtime processing... and the only problem is - if somebody wants it - to have just fast processor / emerge process can run 1-2 days of course - no offence for Debian, I still love it for philosophy && really user-friendly, clear and smart system. -- Piotr From rncbc at rncbc.org Fri Jan 6 05:54:30 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Fri Jan 6 05:55:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rlimit problem on opensuse 10.0: pam_limits: unknown limit item 'rtprio' In-Reply-To: <43BDB36F.10208@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <43BDB36F.10208@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <21955.195.245.190.94.1136544870.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> Joern Nettingsmeier wrote: > hi everyone! > > > after some time of job-induced absence from audio work, i have tried to > bring my audio workstation up to date again. > > the problem is that i can't get realtime privileges. > > arch is x86_64, distro is opensuse 10.0, i'm using the distro kernel, > which is a 2.6.13 with additional patches. > > my /etc/security/limits.conf: > > @realtime - memlock 128000 > @realtime - nice 10 > @realtime - rtprio 70 > > the account i use is member of @realtime. > > on login, i get > > Jan 6 00:01:38 kleineronkel pam_limits[13812]: unknown limit item 'nice' > Jan 6 00:01:38 kleineronkel pam_limits[13812]: unknown limit item > 'rtprio' > > and jack tells me it can't get rt scheduling. memlock works, though. > > i browsed the kernel source, and it looks like the rlimit patch is there. > > pam is recent: > > pam-0.80-6 > pam_ldap-178-3 > pam-modules-10.0-11.2 > > the bash is not yet rlimits-aware (ulimit does not know about nice and > rtprio), but that should not be a problem, right? > > is there a /proc or /sys file associated with the rlimits patch, so that > i can make sure my running kernel has it? or any other command-line > tools that might help to find the problem? > > > any hints appreciated. > Yes, highly appreciated indeed. I'm on opensuse 10.0 too, and after realizing that rlimits are not working OTOB I always find myself patching the original kernel-source with realtime-lsm, over and over again. AFAICT the question really is _why_ the rlimits is not working on opensuse10 kernel-2.6.13-15.7 ? pam-0.80 looks to be rtprio ready ... Anyone else? -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From markus at herhoffer.net Fri Jan 6 07:10:58 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Fri Jan 6 06:01:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: M-Audio MidiSport 2x2 [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <20060105203250.GC15007@falcon.fugal.net> References: <200601041647.k04GlQ7m031482@roar.music.columbia.edu> <200601051957.00328.pgclarke@beeb.net> <20060105203250.GC15007@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <43BE5E52.2060301@herhoffer.net> Thanks! I've got the missing files by eMail - and it works! For documentation a short summary: 1) blacklist snd-usb-audio for hotplug 2) get the firmware of the device from the usbmidi project (or from somewhere else) 3) get fxload 4) use the following shell script to load the firmware #! /bin/bash modprobe snd-usb-audio #if not already loaded at startup cd /usr/share/usb/midisport fxload -D /proc/bus/usb/*BUS*/*DEVICE* MidiSportLoader.ihx -I MidiSport2x2.ihx exit Substitute *BUS* and *DEVICE* with the numbers you get by running lsusb. Thanks to everyone who helped me! Markus Herhoffer Hans Fugal wrote: > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 at 19:57 +0800, Peter Clarke wrote: > >>Markus Herhoffer wrote: >> >> >>>I've been using the M-Audio Midisport 2x2 together with >>>the Maya 44 USB for a long time and it worked quite well. >>>But after an update of ALSA only the Maya 44 works. The >>>module 'snd-usb-audio' is loaded properly and the device >>>is recognized by the system. I've also put >>>'snd-usb-audio' on the blacklist of hotplug, because >>>hotplug makes some real trouble with USB audio devices. >> >>I had exactly the same problem when updating Gentoo >>recently. Hans Fugal kindly tried to help me on this list >>on 6 Dec 2005, and sent me this informative link: >> >>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1353514&group_id=87777&atid=584353 >> >>However, that didn't fix it for me. Now, I have an ugly >>workaround in place: a little script that gets run >>by /etc/conf.d/local.start, which contains the following: >> >>#! /bin/bash >>modprobe snd-usb-audio >>cd /usr/share/usb/midisport >>fxload -D /proc/bus/usb/004/003 MidiSportLoader.ihx -I \ >>MidiSport2x2.ihx >>exit >> >>This works, provided that the MidiSport is always at the >>same USB bus address; in your case, you will have to >>change the /004/003 to /002/003. > > > And presuming you never unplug your keyboard... I can help you get it > working with udev if you'd like the more robust solution. What exactly > didn't work? > > From lconrad at laymusic.org Fri Jan 6 07:48:59 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Fri Jan 6 07:49:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: (cmetzler@speakeasy.net's message of "Fri, 06 Jan 2006 04:22:33 +0000") References: Message-ID: <87sls1sero.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "c" == cmetzler writes: c> I haven't seen how the emu10k1 looks in recent versions of c> alsa/alsamixer, but the volume control for the output of the c> wavetable synth used to have the singularly unhelpful title of c> "Music" in alsamixer. It looks to me like that has now been replaced with "synth". c> You might play around there. Or perhaps steal the mixer c> settings from someone who's got it working, and see if that c> helps. This sounds like a good idea. Can someone using the emu10k1 driver with working MIDI post their mixer settings? -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From sstubbs at shout.net Fri Jan 6 02:55:45 2006 From: sstubbs at shout.net (The Other) Date: Fri Jan 6 08:56:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <87zmmbvcww.fsf@laymusic.org> References: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> <200601041550.51117.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <87zmmbvcww.fsf@laymusic.org> Message-ID: <200601060755.45797.sstubbs@shout.net> On Wednesday 04 January 2006 08:38 pm, Laura Conrad wrote: > >>>>> "th" == tim hall writes: > > th> On Tuesday 03 January 2006 17:26, Lee Revell was like: > >> What soundcard driver are you using? What exactly do you > >> mean by "hardware midi doesn't work". > > emu10k1 > > >> Please, be specific with these bug reports or they are > >> useless. > > th> I have always found it necessary to add > th> snd-seq-midi > th> to /etc/modules to get MIDI to work on my DeMuDi systems. > > I have that. As far as I know, all the modules are loaded > correctly, and when I say "pmidi -l", I get: > > Port Client name Port name > 62:0 Midi Through Midi Through Port-0 > 64:0 EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) > 65:0 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 0 > 65:1 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 1 > 65:2 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 2 > 65:3 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 3 > > But when I say "pmidi -p 65:0 score.midi", it looks like it's > trying to play, but I don't hear any sound. ("timidity score.midi" > plays fine, and I've used asfxload to load a soundfont.) > > It may well be a mixer problem, but I've unmuted and raised the > volume on everything that looks at all plausible. Hello Laura, On the SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack switch: Set it On and try to play a midi file. If no go, then Set if Off and retry the midi file. I no longer use a Live! card (blew the card with too hot of recording levels and replaced it with an Audigy 2), but this switch is crucial for hearing anything out of your speakers on Creative cards. For some people it worked in the On position. For others it worked in the Off position. So try it both ways. Hope this Helps, Stephen. From lconrad at laymusic.org Fri Jan 6 09:25:30 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Fri Jan 6 09:25:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <200601060050.44157.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> (Nigel Henry's message of "Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:50:44 +0100") References: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> <200601052114.21072.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <878xtutn63.fsf@laymusic.org> <200601060050.44157.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <87oe2psaat.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "NH" == Nigel Henry writes: NH> Hi Laura. Are you using the onboard soundcard? Perhaps you NH> could disable it, either in the BIOS, or from jumpers on the NH> MOBO as I have done. I hate fiddling with the jumpers, but I have tried the BIOS with no effect. I was expecting that would cause LINUX to not see the VIA, but it doesn't. I did plug in some speakers to the onboard Line Out port, and when the MIDI looks like it's playing, nothing is coming out of them, either. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From lconrad at laymusic.org Fri Jan 6 09:58:30 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Fri Jan 6 09:58:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <200601060755.45797.sstubbs@shout.net> (The Other's message of "Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:55:45 +0000") References: <200601031618.19880.d_baron@012.net.il> <200601041550.51117.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <87zmmbvcww.fsf@laymusic.org> <200601060755.45797.sstubbs@shout.net> Message-ID: <87irsxs8rt.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "TO" == The Other writes: TO> On the SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack switch: TO> Set it On and try to play a midi file. If no go, then TO> Set if Off and retry the midi file. I think I tried that. That is, there's a line in Alsamixer called which can't be adjusted but can be muted or not, and the Item: blurb is "SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack", and I've tried with that both muted and not. Neither causes MIDI sounds to come out of the speakers when I used aplaymidi. TO> I no longer use a Live! card (blew the card with too hot of recording TO> levels and replaced it with an Audigy 2), but this switch is crucial TO> for hearing anything out of your speakers on Creative cards. That doesn't seem to be true; timidity plays in both positions. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Jan 6 09:59:26 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Jan 6 09:59:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <87sls1sero.fsf@laymusic.org> References: <87sls1sero.fsf@laymusic.org> Message-ID: <200601061559.27319.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 06 January 2006 13:48, Laura Conrad wrote: > >>>>> "c" == cmetzler writes: > > c> I haven't seen how the emu10k1 looks in recent versions of > c> alsa/alsamixer, but the volume control for the output of the > c> wavetable synth used to have the singularly unhelpful title of > c> "Music" in alsamixer. > > It looks to me like that has now been replaced with "synth". > > c> You might play around there. Or perhaps steal the mixer > c> settings from someone who's got it working, and see if that > c> helps. > > This sounds like a good idea. Can someone using the emu10k1 driver > with working MIDI post their mixer settings? Hi Laura On Debian Sarge/Etch, using Alsamixer v1.0.10 , the only controls affecting midi output are. Master; Front; and Music; obviously with the Audigy switch unmuted also. I'm using Kmid, and Emu10k1 Wavetable Emu10k1 Port2 -ALSA device (shown in Kmids midi config), and the other 3 ports are ok. Sfxload autoloads the soundfont on KDE startup. Souncard is: Audigy2 soundblaster (emu10k1). Chip: Sigmatel STAC9721/23 Kernel: 2.6.11-1-386 Alsa version: 1.0.8 (with the 2.6.11 kernel) Alsa components installed: alsa-base 1.0.10-3 alsa-modules-2.4-27-2-386 1.0.10+1 (I have a 2.4 kernel, as well as the 2.6) alsa-oss 1.0.10-1 alsa-utils 1.0.10-1 All the best. Nigel. ps: sorry messing with the BIOS didn't fix it. From hardbop200 at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 10:30:30 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Fri Jan 6 10:30:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more information - Ubuntu Message-ID: Hey all, In my never-ending quest to make Ubuntu the perfect multimedia distro, I emailed Mark Shuttleworth to see if the Ubuntu maintainers could look into packaging a -rt kernel for Ubuntu. Here is the message I got back from him: >There's some discussion of creating a multimedia-oriented derivative of >Ubuntu. This would be a perfect place to make those patches. The >pre-empt stuff will have consequences that are not ideal for standard >desktops, but suitable for multimedia types. Keep an eye out for an >announcement along those lines. > >Mark So it appears from his message that someone in the Ubuntu camp is already working on this, which is good news for me. Just thought those of you on the list that are interested in Ubuntu might like to see this. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From lconrad at laymusic.org Fri Jan 6 10:42:06 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Fri Jan 6 10:42:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <200601061559.27319.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> (Nigel Henry's message of "Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:59:26 +0100") References: <87sls1sero.fsf@laymusic.org> <200601061559.27319.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <87zmm9qs6p.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "NH" == Nigel Henry writes: NH> Hi Laura On Debian Sarge/Etch, using Alsamixer v1.0.10 , the only controls NH> affecting midi output are. Master; Front; and Music; obviously with the NH> Audigy switch unmuted also. For the SBLive, 1.0.10 doesn't seem to have either Front or Music. I'm pretty sure Music is now Synth; does anyone know what Front turned into? NH> I'm using Kmid, and Emu10k1 Wavetable Emu10k1 Port2 -ALSA device (shown in NH> Kmids midi config), and the other 3 ports are ok. Kmid looks like it would be really nice, if it would only play the sound. NH> Souncard is: Audigy2 soundblaster (emu10k1). Chip: Sigmatel NH> STAC9721/23 Card: SBLive! Platinum [CT4760P] Chip: TriTech TR28602 NH> Kernel: 2.6.11-1-386 Kernel: 2.6.14-2-386 NH> Alsa version: 1.0.8 (with the 2.6.11 kernel) [~]# cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.10rc1 (Mon Sep 12 08:13:09 2005 UTC). NH> Alsa components installed: NH> alsa-base 1.0.10-3 NH> alsa-modules-2.4-27-2-386 1.0.10+1 (I have a 2.4 kernel, as well as the NH> 2.6) NH> alsa-oss 1.0.10-1 NH> alsa-utils 1.0.10-1 [~]# dpkg -l alsa-modules-2* ||/ Name Version Description +++-===========================-===========================-====================================================================== ii alsa-base 1.0.10-3 ALSA driver configuration files ii alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-686 1.0.6a+4 Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers) ii alsa-oss 1.0.10-1 ALSA wrapper for OSS applications ii alsa-utils 1.0.10-1 ALSA utilities ii alsaplayer 0.99.76-0.2 PCM player designed for ALSA ii alsaplayer-common 0.99.76-0.2 PCM player designed for ALSA (common files) ii alsaplayer-gtk 0.99.76-0.2 PCM player designed for ALSA (GTK version) ii alsaplayer-oss 0.99.76-0.2 PCM player designed for ALSA (OSS output module) NH> ps: sorry messing with the BIOS didn't fix it. No problem. If I'm not profusely thanking people for trying to help with every message, it isn't because I'm not grateful. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From tdhoward at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 11:16:38 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Fri Jan 6 11:16:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems Message-ID: > >>> Any other ideas? > >> > >> Just to verify: you loaded a valid soundfont into the wavetable synth, > >> and you're sure you're sending the MIDI command sequence to the wavetable > >> synth? > > > > > > I have loaded the same soundfont that I use under Windoze, and all the > > instruments show up in Rosegarden... But still no sound. OK, I did a "cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1" and discovered that the soundfont wasn't actually loading! I hadn't installed the package containing sfxload, so my call to it was failing, and I didn't realize it... Bingo, now it works! > > It's > > probably something ridiculously simple, since I'm new to this... > > S'ok. You're right that it usually is something simple, but it > never seems that way until *after* the problem is solved, when > it's easy to call it that! Yep, it was ridiculously simple... Thanks for the help! From hanaghan at starband.net Fri Jan 6 11:24:38 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Fri Jan 6 11:24:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Current merrits of tmpfs with Jack In-Reply-To: <43ACC47B.9040609@starband.net> References: <200512231702.jBNH217l028176@roar.music.columbia.edu> <1135383106.6838.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43ACC47B.9040609@starband.net> Message-ID: <43BE99C6.9000508@starband.net> Russell Hanaghan wrote: > Paul Davis wrote: > >> On Fri, 2005-12-23 at 15:31 -0800, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >> >> >>> Lee Revell: >>> >>> >>>>>>>> Jack then needs to be compiled as such right? That is, >>>>>>>> specifically to >>>>>>>> use /dev/shm as a tmpfs? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You know there's actually no good reason this has to be a >>>>>>> compile time >>>>>>> setting. It would be trivial to modify JACK to set this at >>>>>>> runtime. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> how would a client know where to find the server sockets? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> By having a file called something like /tmp/jack_server_sockets_path >>>>> containing info about where the server sockets are? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> $HOME/.jack_server_sockets_path? >>>> >>> >>> Yes, either $HOME/.jack_server_sockets_path_ >>> or /tmp/jack_server_sockets_path_ >>> >> >> >> this looks to me like a 50% solution. it solves part of the problem >> (allowing the location of the actual sockets/fifos to be determined at >> runtime) by substituting another compile-time-only path instead. i see >> the attraction, i am just not sure its the best solution. >> >> --p >> >> >> >> >> > So the first solution is the most solid; compile jack to utilize > /dev/shm? > > Unless there is some trade off or sacrifice when doing so to either > the systems stability and performance, or to jackits stability / > performance, I don't see this as a major problem. > > thanks > R~ > So next silly question... Is a tmpfs typically set up on /dev/shm on Linux systems? If not, where does the config for this reside? Thanks R~ From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Jan 6 12:13:44 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Jan 6 12:13:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <87zmm9qs6p.fsf@laymusic.org> References: <200601061559.27319.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <87zmm9qs6p.fsf@laymusic.org> Message-ID: <200601061813.44779.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 06 January 2006 16:42, Laura Conrad wrote: > >>>>> "NH" == Nigel Henry writes: > > NH> Hi Laura On Debian Sarge/Etch, using Alsamixer v1.0.10 , the only > controls NH> affecting midi output are. Master; Front; and Music; obviously > with the NH> Audigy switch unmuted also. > > For the SBLive, 1.0.10 doesn't seem to have either Front or Music. > I'm pretty sure Music is now Synth; does anyone know what Front turned > into? > > NH> I'm using Kmid, and Emu10k1 Wavetable Emu10k1 Port2 -ALSA device > (shown in NH> Kmids midi config), and the other 3 ports are ok. > > Kmid looks like it would be really nice, if it would only play the > sound. > > > NH> Souncard is: Audigy2 soundblaster (emu10k1). Chip: Sigmatel > NH> STAC9721/23 > > Card: SBLive! Platinum [CT4760P] > Chip: TriTech TR28602 > > NH> Kernel: 2.6.11-1-386 > > Kernel: 2.6.14-2-386 > > NH> Alsa version: 1.0.8 (with the 2.6.11 kernel) > > [~]# cat /proc/asound/version > Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.10rc1 (Mon Sep 12 > 08:13:09 2005 UTC). > > NH> Alsa components installed: > NH> alsa-base 1.0.10-3 > NH> alsa-modules-2.4-27-2-386 1.0.10+1 (I have a 2.4 kernel, as > well as the NH> 2.6) > NH> alsa-oss 1.0.10-1 > NH> alsa-utils 1.0.10-1 > > [~]# dpkg -l alsa-modules-2* > > ||/ Name Version Description > > +++-===========================-===========================-=============== >======================================================= ii alsa-base > 1.0.10-3 ALSA driver configuration files ii > alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-686 1.0.6a+4 Advanced Linux > Sound Architecture (drivers) ii alsa-oss 1.0.10-1 > ALSA wrapper for OSS applications ii alsa-utils > 1.0.10-1 ALSA utilities ii alsaplayer > 0.99.76-0.2 PCM player designed for ALSA ii > alsaplayer-common 0.99.76-0.2 PCM player designed > for ALSA (common files) ii alsaplayer-gtk 0.99.76-0.2 > PCM player designed for ALSA (GTK version) ii alsaplayer-oss > 0.99.76-0.2 PCM player designed for ALSA (OSS output > module) > > > NH> ps: sorry messing with the BIOS didn't fix it. > > No problem. If I'm not profusely thanking people for trying to help > with every message, it isn't because I'm not grateful. Hi Laura. Lee Revell posted a reply to someone else on this thread. You may have missed it. He says to make sure that "Synth" volume is up, so I think that's saying that with the "Live" card, "Synth" equates with "Music" on my Audigy2. Also he asked for the output of: cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1 Would you post the output of this please, as it will confirm if the soundfont is loaded. I also compared your lsmod with mine, and there are only minor differences. Mine has snd-usb-audio, for the sake of my USB midi keyboard. Yours has snd-rtctimer, and snd-mpu401-uart, which mine doesn't. Not sure of what snd-rtctimer is for , but as I don't have realtime in this kernel, it may be something to do with that. This is a real Nancy Drew & the Hardy Boys mystery. Nigel. From lconrad at laymusic.org Fri Jan 6 12:22:18 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Fri Jan 6 12:22:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <200601061813.44779.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> (Nigel Henry's message of "Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:13:44 +0100") References: <200601061559.27319.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <87zmm9qs6p.fsf@laymusic.org> <200601061813.44779.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <87bqypqnjp.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "NH" == Nigel Henry writes: NH> Hi Laura. Lee Revell posted a reply to someone else on this thread. You may NH> have missed it. He says to make sure that "Synth" volume is up, so I think NH> that's saying that with the "Live" card, "Synth" equates with "Music" on my NH> Audigy2. Yes, I got that. That's one of the things I'd already upped. NH> Also he asked for the output of: NH> cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1 NH> Would you post the output of this please, as it will confirm NH> if the soundfont is loaded. [~]# cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1 Device: Emu10k1 Ports: 4 Addresses: 65:0 65:1 65:2 65:3 Use Counter: 0 Max Voices: 64 Allocated Voices: 0 Memory Size: 134217728 Memory Available: 130711440 Allocated Blocks: 458 SoundFonts: 1 Instruments: 1789 Samples: 456 Locked Instruments: 1789 Locked Samples: 456 You have mail in /var/spool/mail/lconrad [~]# Could the fact that all the samples are locked be relevant? How would I unlock them? -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Jan 6 12:50:27 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Jan 6 12:50:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <87bqypqnjp.fsf@laymusic.org> References: <200601061813.44779.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <87bqypqnjp.fsf@laymusic.org> Message-ID: <200601061850.27279.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 06 January 2006 18:22, Laura Conrad wrote: > >>>>> "NH" == Nigel Henry writes: > > NH> Hi Laura. Lee Revell posted a reply to someone else on this thread. > You may NH> have missed it. He says to make sure that "Synth" volume is up, > so I think NH> that's saying that with the "Live" card, "Synth" equates > with "Music" on my NH> Audigy2. > > Yes, I got that. That's one of the things I'd already upped. > > NH> Also he asked for the output of: > NH> cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1 > > NH> Would you post the output of this please, as it will confirm > NH> if the soundfont is loaded. > > [~]# cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1 > Device: Emu10k1 > Ports: 4 > Addresses: 65:0 65:1 65:2 65:3 > Use Counter: 0 > Max Voices: 64 > Allocated Voices: 0 > Memory Size: 134217728 > Memory Available: 130711440 > Allocated Blocks: 458 > SoundFonts: 1 > Instruments: 1789 > Samples: 456 > Locked Instruments: 1789 > Locked Samples: 456 > You have mail in /var/spool/mail/lconrad > [~]# > > Could the fact that all the samples are locked be relevant? How would > I unlock them? No. Thats just fine as it is, apart from you only having half the number of instruments that I have, but at least confirms that the soundfont is loaded. If no soundfont was loaded, the first 8 lines would be the same. The line: Allocated Blocks: would show "1" , and all the rest of the lines would show "0" . The soundfont I have loaded is the one from the Creative CDROM. It is CT4MGM.SF2, and shows "Instruments: 3560" when loaded . Are there any larger soundfonts on your Creative CDROM? I've no idea, but perhaps the soundfont is not large enough to play the midi file that you are trying. If you do use KDE. Try Kmid, which even though it crashes now and again, at least I know it plays midi files ok. Nigel. From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Jan 6 13:20:13 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Jan 6 13:20:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200601061920.13253.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 06 January 2006 17:16, Tim Howard wrote: > > >>> Any other ideas? > > >> > > >> Just to verify: you loaded a valid soundfont into the wavetable > > >> synth, and you're sure you're sending the MIDI command sequence to the > > >> wavetable synth? > > > > > > I have loaded the same soundfont that I use under Windoze, and all the > > > instruments show up in Rosegarden... But still no sound. > > OK, I did a "cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1" and discovered that > the soundfont wasn't actually loading! I hadn't installed the package > containing sfxload, so my call to it was failing, and I didn't realize > it... Bingo, now it works! > > > > It's > > > probably something ridiculously simple, since I'm new to this... > > > > S'ok. You're right that it usually is something simple, but it > > never seems that way until *after* the problem is solved, when > > it's easy to call it that! > > Yep, it was ridiculously simple... Thanks for the help! Hi Tim. Could you verify something? I only use my Audigy2 soundcard, and have the onboard card disabled with the jumpers on the MOBO. Do you still have your onboard card enabled? If so, and you're now able to play midi files, the fact that Laura still has her onboard card enabled, has nothing to do with her inability to play midi files. Glad you got yours working. Nigel. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jan 6 13:52:01 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jan 6 13:52:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: M-Audio MidiSport 2x2 [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <43BE5E52.2060301@herhoffer.net> References: <200601041647.k04GlQ7m031482@roar.music.columbia.edu> <200601051957.00328.pgclarke@beeb.net> <20060105203250.GC15007@falcon.fugal.net> <43BE5E52.2060301@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <1136573522.17979.32.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 12:10 +0000, Markus Herhoffer wrote: > Thanks! I've got the missing files by eMail - and it works! For > documentation a short summary: > > 1) blacklist snd-usb-audio for hotplug > 2) get the firmware of the device from the usbmidi project (or from > somewhere else) > 3) get fxload > 4) use the following shell script to load the firmware > > #! /bin/bash > modprobe snd-usb-audio #if not already loaded at startup > cd /usr/share/usb/midisport > fxload -D /proc/bus/usb/*BUS*/*DEVICE* MidiSportLoader.ihx -I > MidiSport2x2.ihx > exit > > Substitute *BUS* and *DEVICE* with the numbers you get by running lsusb. > > Thanks to everyone who helped me! Um, hold on, you should not have to blacklist snd-usb-audio to make this work. Hotplug should load the firmware automatically. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jan 6 13:54:09 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jan 6 13:54:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <200601061813.44779.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200601061559.27319.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <87zmm9qs6p.fsf@laymusic.org> <200601061813.44779.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <1136573650.17979.34.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 18:13 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Friday 06 January 2006 16:42, Laura Conrad wrote: > > >>>>> "NH" == Nigel Henry writes: > > > > NH> Hi Laura On Debian Sarge/Etch, using Alsamixer v1.0.10 , the only > > controls NH> affecting midi output are. Master; Front; and Music; obviously > > with the NH> Audigy switch unmuted also. > > > > For the SBLive, 1.0.10 doesn't seem to have either Front or Music. > > I'm pretty sure Music is now Synth; does anyone know what Front turned > > into? > > > > NH> I'm using Kmid, and Emu10k1 Wavetable Emu10k1 Port2 -ALSA device > > (shown in NH> Kmids midi config), and the other 3 ports are ok. > > > > Kmid looks like it would be really nice, if it would only play the > > sound. > > > > > > NH> Souncard is: Audigy2 soundblaster (emu10k1). Chip: Sigmatel > > NH> STAC9721/23 > > > > Card: SBLive! Platinum [CT4760P] > > Chip: TriTech TR28602 > > > > NH> Kernel: 2.6.11-1-386 > > > > Kernel: 2.6.14-2-386 > > > > NH> Alsa version: 1.0.8 (with the 2.6.11 kernel) > > > > [~]# cat /proc/asound/version > > Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.10rc1 (Mon Sep 12 > > 08:13:09 2005 UTC). > > > > NH> Alsa components installed: > > NH> alsa-base 1.0.10-3 > > NH> alsa-modules-2.4-27-2-386 1.0.10+1 (I have a 2.4 kernel, as > > well as the NH> 2.6) > > NH> alsa-oss 1.0.10-1 > > NH> alsa-utils 1.0.10-1 > > > > [~]# dpkg -l alsa-modules-2* > > > > ||/ Name Version Description > > > > +++-===========================-===========================-=============== > >======================================================= ii alsa-base > > 1.0.10-3 ALSA driver configuration files ii > > alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-686 1.0.6a+4 Advanced Linux > > Sound Architecture (drivers) ii alsa-oss 1.0.10-1 > > ALSA wrapper for OSS applications ii alsa-utils > > 1.0.10-1 ALSA utilities ii alsaplayer > > 0.99.76-0.2 PCM player designed for ALSA ii > > alsaplayer-common 0.99.76-0.2 PCM player designed > > for ALSA (common files) ii alsaplayer-gtk 0.99.76-0.2 > > PCM player designed for ALSA (GTK version) ii alsaplayer-oss > > 0.99.76-0.2 PCM player designed for ALSA (OSS output > > module) > > > > > > NH> ps: sorry messing with the BIOS didn't fix it. > > > > No problem. If I'm not profusely thanking people for trying to help > > with every message, it isn't because I'm not grateful. > > Hi Laura. Lee Revell posted a reply to someone else on this thread. You may > have missed it. He says to make sure that "Synth" volume is up, so I think > that's saying that with the "Live" card, "Synth" equates with "Music" on my > Audigy2. The control is now called Synth. If it's called Music on your system it means you have an ancient ALSA version and shopuld upgrade. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jan 6 13:54:52 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jan 6 13:54:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <200601061920.13253.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200601061920.13253.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <1136573693.17979.36.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 19:20 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Friday 06 January 2006 17:16, Tim Howard wrote: > > > >>> Any other ideas? > > > >> > > > >> Just to verify: you loaded a valid soundfont into the wavetable > > > >> synth, and you're sure you're sending the MIDI command sequence to the > > > >> wavetable synth? > > > > > > > > I have loaded the same soundfont that I use under Windoze, and all the > > > > instruments show up in Rosegarden... But still no sound. > > > > OK, I did a "cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1" and discovered that > > the soundfont wasn't actually loading! I hadn't installed the package > > containing sfxload, so my call to it was failing, and I didn't realize > > it... Bingo, now it works! > > > > > > It's > > > > probably something ridiculously simple, since I'm new to this... > > > > > > S'ok. You're right that it usually is something simple, but it > > > never seems that way until *after* the problem is solved, when > > > it's easy to call it that! > > > > Yep, it was ridiculously simple... Thanks for the help! > > Hi Tim. Could you verify something? I only use my Audigy2 soundcard, and have > the onboard card disabled with the jumpers on the MOBO. Do you still have > your onboard card enabled? If so, and you're now able to play midi files, the > fact that Laura still has her onboard card enabled, has nothing to do with > her inability to play midi files. > > Glad you got yours working. Nigel. > Don't use sfxload use asfxload. Lee From ix at replic.net Fri Jan 6 15:13:01 2006 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Fri Jan 6 14:50:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: M-Audio MidiSport 2x2 [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <1136573522.17979.32.camel@mindpipe> References: <200601041647.k04GlQ7m031482@roar.music.columbia.edu> <200601051957.00328.pgclarke@beeb.net> <20060105203250.GC15007@falcon.fugal.net> <43BE5E52.2060301@herhoffer.net> <1136573522.17979.32.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060106201301.GA6595@replic.net> > Um, hold on, you should not have to blacklist snd-usb-audio to make this > work. Hotplug should load the firmware automatically. yeah, that works fine here, but all USB devices are "dead" after putting the system to sleep and waking it back up, and have to be physically unplugged and replugged to work again (even mouse/keyboard). whats the proper fix for this...coldplug? had the same problem on a non-notebook when rebooting, the midisport has hte firmware already (pulsing LED...) but still needed a re-plug to show up.. cdr From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jan 6 15:33:20 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jan 6 15:33:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: M-Audio MidiSport 2x2 [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <20060106201301.GA6595@replic.net> References: <200601041647.k04GlQ7m031482@roar.music.columbia.edu> <200601051957.00328.pgclarke@beeb.net> <20060105203250.GC15007@falcon.fugal.net> <43BE5E52.2060301@herhoffer.net> <1136573522.17979.32.camel@mindpipe> <20060106201301.GA6595@replic.net> Message-ID: <1136579600.17979.71.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 20:13 +0000, carmen wrote: > > Um, hold on, you should not have to blacklist snd-usb-audio to make this > > work. Hotplug should load the firmware automatically. > > yeah, that works fine here, > > but all USB devices are "dead" after putting the system to sleep and waking it back up, and have to be physically unplugged and replugged to work again (even mouse/keyboard). whats the proper fix for this...coldplug? had the same problem on a non-notebook when rebooting, the midisport has hte firmware already (pulsing LED...) but still needed a re-plug to show up.. > > cdr > Hmm, it seems like that should work. It might be a kernel bug or a bug in the USB sound driver. Can you report it to linux-usb-devel at lists.sourceforge.net and cc: alsa-user at lists.sourceforge.net? Include the details of your USB host controller. Lee From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Jan 6 16:26:42 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Jan 6 16:26:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <1136573693.17979.36.camel@mindpipe> References: <200601061920.13253.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1136573693.17979.36.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200601062226.42365.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 06 January 2006 19:54, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 19:20 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > On Friday 06 January 2006 17:16, Tim Howard wrote: > > > > >>> Any other ideas? > > > > >> > > > > >> Just to verify: you loaded a valid soundfont into the wavetable > > > > >> synth, and you're sure you're sending the MIDI command sequence to > > > > >> the wavetable synth? > > > > > > > > > > I have loaded the same soundfont that I use under Windoze, and all > > > > > the instruments show up in Rosegarden... But still no sound. > > > > > > OK, I did a "cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1" and discovered that > > > the soundfont wasn't actually loading! I hadn't installed the package > > > containing sfxload, so my call to it was failing, and I didn't realize > > > it... Bingo, now it works! > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > probably something ridiculously simple, since I'm new to this... > > > > > > > > S'ok. You're right that it usually is something simple, but it > > > > never seems that way until *after* the problem is solved, when > > > > it's easy to call it that! > > > > > > Yep, it was ridiculously simple... Thanks for the help! > > > > Hi Tim. Could you verify something? I only use my Audigy2 soundcard, and > > have the onboard card disabled with the jumpers on the MOBO. Do you still > > have your onboard card enabled? If so, and you're now able to play midi > > files, the fact that Laura still has her onboard card enabled, has > > nothing to do with her inability to play midi files. > > > > Glad you got yours working. Nigel. > > Don't use sfxload use asfxload. > > Lee Hi Lee. I'm not trying to wind you up. FC1.2.and 3 only have binaries for sfxload after installing awesfx in /bin. I have iso's for FC4 but am looking for harddrive space for it, but don't expect to see any difference. Debian Sarge does have binaries for asfxload, and sfxload, so no problem there. Slackware 10.0 (and I know thats a bit ancient) has both asfxload, and sfxload, but asfxload refuses to load the soundfont, whereas sfxload does. I havn't tried Gentoo, just got a bit fedup in booting up distro's. Tell me please. Just what is the difference. If i load a sounfont using sfxload, then play a midi file. Is this midi file taking a different path to my speakers, than if I'd loaded the soundfont using asfxload. I'm almost 100% Alsa, apart from one FC1 install thats still using OSS, but thats just for email, webbrowsing, and a bit of Internet radio live audio streams. I'm all for Alsa, and if awesfx on FC1,2 and 3 had the asfxload binary I would be using it. This appears to be a distro thing, rather than an Alsa problem, but as far as I'm concerned, as long as I can load soundfonts, whether it's by sfxload, or asfxload, I don't care, as long as I can use midi files I will continue to suggest using sfxload, because at least I know this works, and whats the point of suggesting asfxload if the binary doesn't exist on your distro. Nigel (trying not to cause any offence) From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jan 6 16:28:55 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jan 6 16:28:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <200601062226.42365.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200601061920.13253.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1136573693.17979.36.camel@mindpipe> <200601062226.42365.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <1136582936.17979.80.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 22:26 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Friday 06 January 2006 19:54, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 19:20 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > On Friday 06 January 2006 17:16, Tim Howard wrote: > > > > > >>> Any other ideas? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Just to verify: you loaded a valid soundfont into the wavetable > > > > > >> synth, and you're sure you're sending the MIDI command sequence to > > > > > >> the wavetable synth? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have loaded the same soundfont that I use under Windoze, and all > > > > > > the instruments show up in Rosegarden... But still no sound. > > > > > > > > OK, I did a "cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1" and discovered that > > > > the soundfont wasn't actually loading! I hadn't installed the package > > > > containing sfxload, so my call to it was failing, and I didn't realize > > > > it... Bingo, now it works! > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > probably something ridiculously simple, since I'm new to this... > > > > > > > > > > S'ok. You're right that it usually is something simple, but it > > > > > never seems that way until *after* the problem is solved, when > > > > > it's easy to call it that! > > > > > > > > Yep, it was ridiculously simple... Thanks for the help! > > > > > > Hi Tim. Could you verify something? I only use my Audigy2 soundcard, and > > > have the onboard card disabled with the jumpers on the MOBO. Do you still > > > have your onboard card enabled? If so, and you're now able to play midi > > > files, the fact that Laura still has her onboard card enabled, has > > > nothing to do with her inability to play midi files. > > > > > > Glad you got yours working. Nigel. > > > > Don't use sfxload use asfxload. > > > > Lee > > Hi Lee. I'm not trying to wind you up. Who said I was wound up, I just said asfxload is the preferred tool to load soundfonts. I wasn't aware that not all distros ship it. > FC1.2.and 3 only have binaries for > sfxload after installing awesfx in /bin. I have iso's for FC4 but am looking > for harddrive space for it, but don't expect to see any difference. Debian > Sarge does have binaries for asfxload, and sfxload, so no problem there. > Slackware 10.0 (and I know thats a bit ancient) has both asfxload, and > sfxload, but asfxload refuses to load the soundfont, whereas sfxload does. I > havn't tried Gentoo, just got a bit fedup in booting up distro's. Tell me > please. Just what is the difference. If i load a sounfont using sfxload, then > play a midi file. Is this midi file taking a different path to my speakers, > than if I'd loaded the soundfont using asfxload. I'm almost 100% Alsa, apart > from one FC1 install thats still using OSS, but thats just for email, > webbrowsing, and a bit of Internet radio live audio streams. I'm all for > Alsa, and if awesfx on FC1,2 and 3 had the asfxload binary I would be using > it. This appears to be a distro thing, rather than an Alsa problem, but as > far as I'm concerned, as long as I can load soundfonts, whether it's by > sfxload, or asfxload, I don't care, as long as I can use midi files I will > continue to suggest using sfxload, because at least I know this works, and > whats the point of suggesting asfxload if the binary doesn't exist on your > distro. Nigel (trying not to cause any offence) > From core at jacklab.net Fri Jan 6 16:31:59 2006 From: core at jacklab.net (Michael Bohle) Date: Fri Jan 6 16:32:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rlimit problem on opensuse 10.0: pam_limits: unknown limit item 'rtprio' In-Reply-To: <21955.195.245.190.94.1136544870.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> References: <43BDB36F.10208@folkwang-hochschule.de> <21955.195.245.190.94.1136544870.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> Message-ID: <1136583119.4725.27.camel@jacklab.metanet> > AFAICT the question really is _why_ the rlimits is not working on > opensuse10 kernel-2.6.13-15.7 ? pam-0.80 looks to be rtprio ready ... Same but different problem here. As I do write in a posting before, our project jacklab working on a opensuse based audio distribution named jad. For this we have to create a standard opensuse 10.0 kernel with rt. As Takashi giving us the advice, to using rtlimits / PAM instead of rt-lsm. So I asked in this mailinglist http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2005/12/0258.html Who has experiences with PAM? The answer from Burghard Ritter: > If you are using a recent kernel (>=2.6.12) and a recent pam-package > (>=0.80) then, if I am right, everything sould already be working. > You > would adjust the limits.conf to contain something like > > > @audio - rtprio 100 > @audio - nice -10 > @audio - memlock 4000000 > > > Thus the group audio could run programs with realtime privileges. > Today we finshed a suse flavoured kernel with full realtime preemt. 2.6.15 with rt-patch ver rt1 and some other fixes (ipv6, some suse patches) I edited /etc/security/limits.conf as descripted by Burghard but I can't get jackd to start. > jack_create_thread: error -1 switching current thread to rt for inheritance: Unknown error 4294967295 > > > > Mooo... Now we plan to patch some rt-lsm in our kernel... Michael Am Freitag, den 06.01.2006, 10:54 +0000 schrieb Rui Nuno Capela: > Joern Nettingsmeier wrote: > > hi everyone! > > > > > > after some time of job-induced absence from audio work, i have tried to > > bring my audio workstation up to date again. > > > > the problem is that i can't get realtime privileges. > > > > arch is x86_64, distro is opensuse 10.0, i'm using the distro kernel, > > which is a 2.6.13 with additional patches. > > > > my /etc/security/limits.conf: > > > > @realtime - memlock 128000 > > @realtime - nice 10 > > @realtime - rtprio 70 > > > > the account i use is member of @realtime. > > > > on login, i get > > > > Jan 6 00:01:38 kleineronkel pam_limits[13812]: unknown limit item 'nice' > > Jan 6 00:01:38 kleineronkel pam_limits[13812]: unknown limit item > > 'rtprio' > > > > and jack tells me it can't get rt scheduling. memlock works, though. > > > > i browsed the kernel source, and it looks like the rlimit patch is there. > > > > pam is recent: > > > > pam-0.80-6 > > pam_ldap-178-3 > > pam-modules-10.0-11.2 > > > > the bash is not yet rlimits-aware (ulimit does not know about nice and > > rtprio), but that should not be a problem, right? > > > > is there a /proc or /sys file associated with the rlimits patch, so that > > i can make sure my running kernel has it? or any other command-line > > tools that might help to find the problem? > > > > > > any hints appreciated. > > > > Yes, highly appreciated indeed. I'm on opensuse 10.0 too, and after > realizing that rlimits are not working OTOB I always find myself patching > the original kernel-source with realtime-lsm, over and over again. > > Anyone else? > -- > rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela > rncbc@rncbc.org > From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Jan 6 16:43:10 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Jan 6 16:43:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <1136573650.17979.34.camel@mindpipe> References: <200601061813.44779.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1136573650.17979.34.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200601062243.10690.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 06 January 2006 19:54, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 18:13 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > On Friday 06 January 2006 16:42, Laura Conrad wrote: > > > >>>>> "NH" == Nigel Henry writes: > > > > > > NH> Hi Laura On Debian Sarge/Etch, using Alsamixer v1.0.10 , the > > > only controls NH> affecting midi output are. Master; Front; and Music; > > > obviously with the NH> Audigy switch unmuted also. > > > > > > For the SBLive, 1.0.10 doesn't seem to have either Front or Music. > > > I'm pretty sure Music is now Synth; does anyone know what Front turned > > > into? > > > > > > NH> I'm using Kmid, and Emu10k1 Wavetable Emu10k1 Port2 -ALSA > > > device (shown in NH> Kmids midi config), and the other 3 ports are ok. > > > > > > Kmid looks like it would be really nice, if it would only play the > > > sound. > > > > > > > > > NH> Souncard is: Audigy2 soundblaster (emu10k1). Chip: Sigmatel > > > NH> STAC9721/23 > > > > > > Card: SBLive! Platinum [CT4760P] > > > Chip: TriTech TR28602 > > > > > > NH> Kernel: 2.6.11-1-386 > > > > > > Kernel: 2.6.14-2-386 > > > > > > NH> Alsa version: 1.0.8 (with the 2.6.11 kernel) > > > > > > [~]# cat /proc/asound/version > > > Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.10rc1 (Mon Sep 12 > > > 08:13:09 2005 UTC). > > > > > > NH> Alsa components installed: > > > NH> alsa-base 1.0.10-3 > > > NH> alsa-modules-2.4-27-2-386 1.0.10+1 (I have a 2.4 kernel, as > > > well as the NH> 2.6) > > > NH> alsa-oss 1.0.10-1 > > > NH> alsa-utils 1.0.10-1 > > > > > > [~]# dpkg -l alsa-modules-2* > > > > > > ||/ Name Version Description > > > > > > +++-===========================-===========================-=========== > > >==== ======================================================= ii > > > alsa-base 1.0.10-3 ALSA driver configuration files > > > ii alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-686 1.0.6a+4 Advanced > > > Linux Sound Architecture (drivers) ii alsa-oss > > > 1.0.10-1 ALSA wrapper for OSS applications ii alsa-utils > > > 1.0.10-1 ALSA utilities ii alsaplayer > > > 0.99.76-0.2 PCM player designed for ALSA ii > > > alsaplayer-common 0.99.76-0.2 PCM player > > > designed for ALSA (common files) ii alsaplayer-gtk > > > 0.99.76-0.2 PCM player designed for ALSA (GTK version) ii > > > alsaplayer-oss 0.99.76-0.2 PCM player designed for ALSA > > > (OSS output module) > > > > > > > > > NH> ps: sorry messing with the BIOS didn't fix it. > > > > > > No problem. If I'm not profusely thanking people for trying to help > > > with every message, it isn't because I'm not grateful. > > > > Hi Laura. Lee Revell posted a reply to someone else on this thread. You > > may have missed it. He says to make sure that "Synth" volume is up, so I > > think that's saying that with the "Live" card, "Synth" equates with > > "Music" on my Audigy2. > > The control is now called Synth. If it's called Music on your system it > means you have an ancient ALSA version and shopuld upgrade. > > Lee Hi Lee. I suppose from a developers point of view Alsa 1.0.10 is ancient, but I view Alsa 1.0.4, Alsa 1.0.6 as ancient. It's all a matter of perspective. All the same it's nice to know that "Music" equates to "Synth" on later Alsamixer versions. Thanks. Nigel. From ch-bunge at nord-com.net Fri Jan 6 16:53:19 2006 From: ch-bunge at nord-com.net (christian bunge) Date: Fri Jan 6 16:55:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] MidiSport 4x4 on SuSE 10 Message-ID: <200601062253.19715.ch-bunge@nord-com.net> Hi all, I have a problem to install the firmware-loader-0.5 for the MidiSport 4x4 I have found a hint at http://sourceforge.net/projects/usb-midi-fw/ that there is a problme with udev this is what I did: First I installed de firmware-loader-0.5 Then I created a new rule file in /etc/udev/rules.d named 13-Midisport4x4.rules with this only line. SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ACTION=="add", SYSFS{idProduct}=="1020", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0763" , RUN+="/sbin/fxload -s /usr/share/usb/midisport/MidiSportLoader.ihx -I /usr/share/usb/midisport/MidiSport4x4.ihx" now the MidiSport 4x4 is detectet, but the lights are flashing up and down. I get a kernel massage linux kernel: usb 1-1:device descriptor read/64, error -71 thanks for help christian From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Jan 6 17:01:06 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Jan 6 17:01:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <1136582936.17979.80.camel@mindpipe> References: <200601062226.42365.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1136582936.17979.80.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200601062301.06102.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 06 January 2006 22:28, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 22:26 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > On Friday 06 January 2006 19:54, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 19:20 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > On Friday 06 January 2006 17:16, Tim Howard wrote: > > > > > > >>> Any other ideas? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Just to verify: you loaded a valid soundfont into the > > > > > > >> wavetable synth, and you're sure you're sending the MIDI > > > > > > >> command sequence to the wavetable synth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have loaded the same soundfont that I use under Windoze, and > > > > > > > all the instruments show up in Rosegarden... But still no > > > > > > > sound. > > > > > > > > > > OK, I did a "cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1" and discovered > > > > > that the soundfont wasn't actually loading! I hadn't installed the > > > > > package containing sfxload, so my call to it was failing, and I > > > > > didn't realize it... Bingo, now it works! > > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > probably something ridiculously simple, since I'm new to > > > > > > > this... > > > > > > > > > > > > S'ok. You're right that it usually is something simple, but it > > > > > > never seems that way until *after* the problem is solved, when > > > > > > it's easy to call it that! > > > > > > > > > > Yep, it was ridiculously simple... Thanks for the help! > > > > > > > > Hi Tim. Could you verify something? I only use my Audigy2 soundcard, > > > > and have the onboard card disabled with the jumpers on the MOBO. Do > > > > you still have your onboard card enabled? If so, and you're now able > > > > to play midi files, the fact that Laura still has her onboard card > > > > enabled, has nothing to do with her inability to play midi files. > > > > > > > > Glad you got yours working. Nigel. > > > > > > Don't use sfxload use asfxload. > > > > > > Lee > > > > Hi Lee. I'm not trying to wind you up. > > Who said I was wound up, I just said asfxload is the preferred tool to > load soundfonts. I wasn't aware that not all distros ship it. Lee. No one is trying to wind you up, or trying to say you are wound up. I appreciate that asfxload is the correct way to go with Alsa installed, and will email Fernando at planetccrma to find out why the binary for asfxload isn't installed with the awesfx package for FC1.2.3, etc. Nigel. > > > FC1.2.and 3 only have binaries for > > sfxload after installing awesfx in /bin. I have iso's for FC4 but am > > looking for harddrive space for it, but don't expect to see any > > difference. Debian Sarge does have binaries for asfxload, and sfxload, so > > no problem there. Slackware 10.0 (and I know thats a bit ancient) has > > both asfxload, and sfxload, but asfxload refuses to load the soundfont, > > whereas sfxload does. I havn't tried Gentoo, just got a bit fedup in > > booting up distro's. Tell me please. Just what is the difference. If i > > load a sounfont using sfxload, then play a midi file. Is this midi file > > taking a different path to my speakers, than if I'd loaded the soundfont > > using asfxload. I'm almost 100% Alsa, apart from one FC1 install thats > > still using OSS, but thats just for email, webbrowsing, and a bit of > > Internet radio live audio streams. I'm all for Alsa, and if awesfx on > > FC1,2 and 3 had the asfxload binary I would be using it. This appears to > > be a distro thing, rather than an Alsa problem, but as far as I'm > > concerned, as long as I can load soundfonts, whether it's by sfxload, or > > asfxload, I don't care, as long as I can use midi files I will continue > > to suggest using sfxload, because at least I know this works, and whats > > the point of suggesting asfxload if the binary doesn't exist on your > > distro. Nigel (trying not to cause any offence) From bernie.arai at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 17:07:25 2006 From: bernie.arai at gmail.com (bernie arai) Date: Fri Jan 6 17:07:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] help with virtual midi? Message-ID: i've been trying to set up an alsa virtual midi card (to use Steem with some soft synths) to no avail. i'm running FC4 planet ccrma kernel 2.6.12-0.21.rdt.rhfc4.ccrma on a fujitsu s2020 laptop. had no trouble back when i was using ccrma FC3... (i tried posting on the planet ccrma list, but got no responses, so i'm hoping this group can help out?) attempting to hand load the snd-virmidi module results in: [root@localhost bernie]# /sbin/modprobe snd-virmidi snd_index=2 FATAL: Error inserting snd_virmidi (/lib/modules/2.6.12-0.21.rdt.rhfc4.ccrma/updates/drivers/snd-virmidi.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) ...but when i look at /var/log/dmesg (is that the right place?) i can't see anything relating to it. any help would be much appreciated... bernie From sayhi2guy at tiscali.co.uk Fri Jan 6 17:21:29 2006 From: sayhi2guy at tiscali.co.uk (guy) Date: Fri Jan 6 17:21:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Slightly OT: Jack-aware applications on OSX In-Reply-To: <8BADA441-A2F6-4236-B7AA-FFAE782C0650@f4z.org> References: <8BADA441-A2F6-4236-B7AA-FFAE782C0650@f4z.org> Message-ID: <43BEED69.6060209@tiscali.co.uk> Adrian Prantl wrote: > Hello, > > I wonder if there is a list of jack-aware applications that also work > on MacOS X? > So far I'm a happy user of Ardour and Hydrogen, but I'm missing a > MIDI Sequencer type app, like Seq24 or Muse. > > cheers, > Adrian > > Try > http://jackit.sourceforge.net/apps/ Regards Guy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 06/01/2006 ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From pete.leigh at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 19:50:34 2006 From: pete.leigh at gmail.com (Pete Leigh) Date: Fri Jan 6 19:50:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] help with virtual midi? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06/01/06, bernie arai wrote: > [root@localhost bernie]# /sbin/modprobe snd-virmidi snd_index=2 > FATAL: Error inserting snd_virmidi > (/lib/modules/2.6.12-0.21.rdt.rhfc4.ccrma/updates/drivers/snd-virmidi.ko): > Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) I don't know about dmesg, but it seems the relevant bit in the error message you're seeing is "unknown parameter", which would refer to your "snd_index" parameter. >From looking at virmidi.c in the kernel source, I think you'd want # /sbin/modprobe snd-virmidi index=2 instead (ie. just "index", rather than "snd_index" ) - Pete. From hans at fugal.net Fri Jan 6 20:59:38 2006 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Fri Jan 6 20:59:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: M-Audio MidiSport 2x2 [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <1136573522.17979.32.camel@mindpipe> References: <200601041647.k04GlQ7m031482@roar.music.columbia.edu> <200601051957.00328.pgclarke@beeb.net> <20060105203250.GC15007@falcon.fugal.net> <43BE5E52.2060301@herhoffer.net> <1136573522.17979.32.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060107015938.GA31823@falcon.fugal.net> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 at 13:52 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 12:10 +0000, Markus Herhoffer wrote: > > Thanks! I've got the missing files by eMail - and it works! For > > documentation a short summary: > > > > 1) blacklist snd-usb-audio for hotplug > > 2) get the firmware of the device from the usbmidi project (or from > > somewhere else) > > 3) get fxload > > 4) use the following shell script to load the firmware > > > > #! /bin/bash > > modprobe snd-usb-audio #if not already loaded at startup > > cd /usr/share/usb/midisport > > fxload -D /proc/bus/usb/*BUS*/*DEVICE* MidiSportLoader.ihx -I > > MidiSport2x2.ihx > > exit > > > > Substitute *BUS* and *DEVICE* with the numbers you get by running lsusb. > > > > Thanks to everyone who helped me! > > Um, hold on, you should not have to blacklist snd-usb-audio to make this > work. Hotplug should load the firmware automatically. Yes, and it was doing so very well for my midisport device also. I think there's some confusion in this thread. Some of us are having a hard time when upgrading to versions of udev that supersede hotplug (i.e. there is no hotplug). I have solved that problem but it wasn't easy. I offer to help anyone with the same hurdle, and to help fix the usb-midi-fw.sf.net project too (see the existing bug report [1]). Others seem to be having unrelated problems on hotplug systems and are opting for the simpler shell script solution. When you get tired of running the shell script by hand, come back and we'll help you get it working with (udev|hotplug). But if you're happy with the ad-hoc solution, and would rather just get on with making music, well I can't argue with that. :) 1. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1353514&group_id=87777&atid=584353 -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 at 22:53 +0100, christian bunge wrote: > Hi all, > I have a problem to install the firmware-loader-0.5 for the MidiSport 4x4 > I have found a hint at http://sourceforge.net/projects/usb-midi-fw/ that there > is a problme with udev > > this is what I did: > First I installed de firmware-loader-0.5 > > Then I created a new rule file in /etc/udev/rules.d named > 13-Midisport4x4.rules with this only line. > > SUBSYSTEM=="usb", > ACTION=="add", > SYSFS{idProduct}=="1020", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0763" , > RUN+="/sbin/fxload -s /usr/share/usb/midisport/MidiSportLoader.ihx > -I /usr/share/usb/midisport/MidiSport4x4.ihx" > > now the MidiSport 4x4 is detectet, but the lights are flashing up and down. > I get a kernel massage > linux kernel: usb 1-1:device descriptor read/64, error -71 > > thanks for help > > christian > -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060106/f211deb7/attachment.bin From hanaghan at starband.net Fri Jan 6 22:08:16 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Fri Jan 6 22:08:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alien Systems... Message-ID: <43BF30A0.7020506@starband.net> I may have missed this previously but anyone know who is running this? http://www.aliendrivesystems.com R~ From espame at comcast.net Fri Jan 6 23:11:32 2006 From: espame at comcast.net (espame) Date: Fri Jan 6 23:11:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rlimit problem on opensuse 10.0: pam_limits: unknown limit item 'rtprio' In-Reply-To: <1136583119.4725.27.camel@jacklab.metanet> References: <43BDB36F.10208@folkwang-hochschule.de> <21955.195.245.190.94.1136544870.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> <1136583119.4725.27.camel@jacklab.metanet> Message-ID: <200601062011.32582.espame@comcast.net> On Friday 06 January 2006 13:31, Michael Bohle wrote: > > AFAICT the question really is _why_ the rlimits is not working on > > opensuse10 kernel-2.6.13-15.7 ? pam-0.80 looks to be rtprio ready ... > > Same but different problem here. > > As I do write in a posting before, our project jacklab working on a > opensuse based audio distribution named jad. For this we have to create > a standard opensuse 10.0 kernel with rt. > > As Takashi giving us the advice, to using rtlimits / PAM instead of > rt-lsm. > So I asked in this mailinglist > http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2005/12/0258.html > Who has experiences with PAM? > > The answer from Burghard Ritter: > > If you are using a recent kernel (>=2.6.12) and a recent pam-package > > (>=0.80) then, if I am right, everything sould already be working. > > You > > would adjust the limits.conf to contain something like > > > > > > @audio - rtprio 100 > > @audio - nice -10 > > @audio - memlock 4000000 > > > > > > Thus the group audio could run programs with realtime privileges. > > Today we finshed a suse flavoured kernel with full realtime preemt. > 2.6.15 with rt-patch ver rt1 and some other fixes (ipv6, some suse > patches) > > I edited /etc/security/limits.conf as descripted by Burghard but I can't > get jackd to start. > > > jack_create_thread: error -1 switching current thread to rt for > > inheritance: Unknown error 4294967295 > > Mooo... > Now we plan to patch some rt-lsm in our kernel... > > Michael > > Am Freitag, den 06.01.2006, 10:54 +0000 schrieb Rui Nuno Capela: > > Joern Nettingsmeier wrote: > > > hi everyone! > > > > > > > > > after some time of job-induced absence from audio work, i have tried to > > > bring my audio workstation up to date again. > > > > > > the problem is that i can't get realtime privileges. > > > > > > arch is x86_64, distro is opensuse 10.0, i'm using the distro kernel, > > > which is a 2.6.13 with additional patches. > > > > > > my /etc/security/limits.conf: > > > > > > @realtime - memlock 128000 > > > @realtime - nice 10 > > > @realtime - rtprio 70 > > > > > > the account i use is member of @realtime. > > > > > > on login, i get > > > > > > Jan 6 00:01:38 kleineronkel pam_limits[13812]: unknown limit item > > > 'nice' Jan 6 00:01:38 kleineronkel pam_limits[13812]: unknown limit > > > item 'rtprio' > > > > > > and jack tells me it can't get rt scheduling. memlock works, though. > > > > > > i browsed the kernel source, and it looks like the rlimit patch is > > > there. > > > > > > pam is recent: > > > > > > pam-0.80-6 > > > pam_ldap-178-3 > > > pam-modules-10.0-11.2 > > > > > > the bash is not yet rlimits-aware (ulimit does not know about nice and > > > rtprio), but that should not be a problem, right? > > > > > > is there a /proc or /sys file associated with the rlimits patch, so > > > that i can make sure my running kernel has it? or any other > > > command-line tools that might help to find the problem? > > > > > > > > > any hints appreciated. > > > > Yes, highly appreciated indeed. I'm on opensuse 10.0 too, and after > > realizing that rlimits are not working OTOB I always find myself patching > > the original kernel-source with realtime-lsm, over and over again. > > > > > > Anyone else? > > -- > > rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela > > rncbc@rncbc.org I am having a similar problem using rlimits on an ARCH LINUX system. Some people have succsess out of the box on a fresh install, but I cannot get it to work. From torbenh at gmx.de Fri Jan 6 23:32:28 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Fri Jan 6 23:40:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Designing system for 'virtual' whole house audiosystem that deals with all kinds of audio sources ? In-Reply-To: <00af01c61295$a2e96670$1ff7a8c0@Lapitopi> References: <00af01c61295$a2e96670$1ff7a8c0@Lapitopi> Message-ID: <20060107043228.GA7204@mobilat> On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 08:48:51AM +0100, Robert Rozman wrote: > Hi, > > I'm designing integrated home automation/entertainment system based on Linux > and other open source apps. I have several possible sound sources (like > Festival as speech synthesis, music players, VOIP or > ordinary telephony applications, intercom) and several sound destinations > (rooms in my house - can be either remote desktop running some network audio > client or separate output on multichannel local audio card). Now I'd like > to implement > 'virtual' audio router/mixer in software that can be dynamically controlled > from other program language (Perl is preffered in my case). I'd need to > combine several audio sources to each sound destination (like big software > switching/mixing/routing black box), dynamically change volumes, add/remove > chains etc... > > I'd like to deal with all this with Ecasound (it can be controlled from > Perl) - or should I use some other program ? I'm thinking of using > Alsaplayers as > music/wav players (they have software volume control) , Jack (as sound > servers) and Ecasound (for routing, mixing) .... > > > Some possible scenarions: > - when internet voice call comes in, then I connect to certain channel on > audio card for > certain room (route two way audio stream that comes from Internet to certain > audio destination/source) > - when watching TV (sound going to some audio card output), speech synthesis > would like to announce something (I'd like to volume down TV audio and mix > speech, and then go with TV volume to normal level) > - from one room I'd like to talk to another... well netjack or some other jack net transport should be interesting for you. but netjack can not YET do what you need... but its only a matter of months.... -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From torbenh at gmx.de Fri Jan 6 23:37:56 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Fri Jan 6 23:45:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rlimit problem on opensuse 10.0: pam_limits: unknown limit item 'rtprio' In-Reply-To: <1136583119.4725.27.camel@jacklab.metanet> References: <43BDB36F.10208@folkwang-hochschule.de> <21955.195.245.190.94.1136544870.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> <1136583119.4725.27.camel@jacklab.metanet> Message-ID: <20060107043756.GB7204@mobilat> On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:31:59PM +0100, Michael Bohle wrote: > > Mooo... > Now we plan to patch some rt-lsm in our kernel... > i seem to be out of date... since when is rt-lsm a patch ? doesnt it just build against any kernel ? the goal of rt-lsm was to remove the kernel patching... just build the module, modprobe and go...... which was a success from 2.6.7 onwards... and it should still work... -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From hanaghan at starband.net Sat Jan 7 01:56:04 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Sat Jan 7 01:55:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Current merrits of tmpfs with Jack In-Reply-To: <43BE99C6.9000508@starband.net> References: <200512231702.jBNH217l028176@roar.music.columbia.edu> <1135383106.6838.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43ACC47B.9040609@starband.net> <43BE99C6.9000508@starband.net> Message-ID: <43BF6604.60801@starband.net> Russell Hanaghan wrote: > Russell Hanaghan wrote: > >> Paul Davis wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 2005-12-23 at 15:31 -0800, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Lee Revell: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Jack then needs to be compiled as such right? That is, >>>>>>>>> specifically to >>>>>>>>> use /dev/shm as a tmpfs? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You know there's actually no good reason this has to be a >>>>>>>> compile time >>>>>>>> setting. It would be trivial to modify JACK to set this at >>>>>>>> runtime. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> how would a client know where to find the server sockets? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> By having a file called something like /tmp/jack_server_sockets_path >>>>>> containing info about where the server sockets are? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> $HOME/.jack_server_sockets_path? >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, either $HOME/.jack_server_sockets_path_ >>>> or /tmp/jack_server_sockets_path_ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> this looks to me like a 50% solution. it solves part of the problem >>> (allowing the location of the actual sockets/fifos to be determined at >>> runtime) by substituting another compile-time-only path instead. i see >>> the attraction, i am just not sure its the best solution. >>> >>> --p >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> So the first solution is the most solid; compile jack to utilize >> /dev/shm? >> >> Unless there is some trade off or sacrifice when doing so to either >> the systems stability and performance, or to jackits stability / >> performance, I don't see this as a major problem. >> >> thanks >> R~ > Ok...so no-one answered which tells me RTFM~ :) So I am reading the sorceforge jack site pages....And now Im confused even more. Prerequisites * 2.4, 2.5 or 2.6 series kernel with tmpfs turned on (CONFIG_TMPFS) * Shared memory file system mounted on /dev/shm. add the following to /etc/fstab to get it mounted at boot: shmfs /dev/shm shm defaults 0 0 (Note: you may have to make the /dev/shm directory) Is this the actual use of /dev/shm or can it serve dual purpose and be also set up as tmpfs for fifo's? Or... |# mkdir /mnt/ramfs| [edit /etc/fstab and add the following line] |none /mnt/ramfs tmpfs defaults 0 0| Then use --with-default-tmpdir=/mnt/ramfs to the JACK configure line when you build it. No clients need to be recompiled. Is this the better or just alternative option? Thanks R~ From olivier at ricordeau.org Sat Jan 7 06:10:39 2006 From: olivier at ricordeau.org (Olivier Ricordeau) Date: Sat Jan 7 06:08:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Behringer FCB1010 foot controller Message-ID: <43BFA1AF.6090601@ricordeau.org> Hi there, Thanks to Santa Claus' help, I have the possibility to buy some hardware to make music with my linux box. Looking for a MIDI foot controller, I found the Behringer FCB1010. http://www.behringer.com/FCB1010/index.cfm?lang=ENG I'd like to use it for two things: * Real time effect control (creox, jack-rack, pd a bit later, stuffs like that). I'm a guitar player and I'd like to use my linux box as an effect rack. I'll use sooperlooper too, for sure... * I'm planning to buy a MIDI master keyboard (the M-Audio Keystation Pro 88 looks awsome and it seems to work like a charm with ALSA). I'd like to use the MIDI foot controller to control the keyboard too. I found very few FCB1010/Linux feedback on the web (and in the list's archives). I'm interested in hearing from people who have this pedal. Some successful linux experiences? More generally speaking, does it all sound feasible? I mean, will combining the FCB1010 and the M-Audio Keystation Pro 88 fit my needs (real time effects/looper control + basic mixing possibilitie expected from a master keyboard, a bunch of controls and a midi sequencer)? Cheers, Olivier -- - *Olivier RICORDEAU* - olivier@ricordeau.org From ch-bunge at nord-com.net Sat Jan 7 06:30:22 2006 From: ch-bunge at nord-com.net (christian bunge) Date: Sat Jan 7 06:33:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] MidiSport 4x4 on SuSE 10 In-Reply-To: <20060107020402.GB31823@falcon.fugal.net> References: <200601062253.19715.ch-bunge@nord-com.net> <20060107020402.GB31823@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <200601071230.22607.ch-bunge@nord-com.net> Am Samstag, 7. Januar 2006 03:04 schrieb Hans Fugal: Thanks, it works now. > Here is my udev rule: > > ACTION=="add", > SYSFS{modalias}=="usb:v0763p1014d0001dcFFdscFFdpFFic*isc*ip*", > RUN+="/usr/local/sbin/midisport_fw" > > As you can see I moved the midisport_fw script (and I changed a couple > of paths therein, but that's irrelevant). The point is the old script > works great, just use it. > > I don't remember why, but when I tried it the way you have it, it did > the same thing for me that it's doing for you. > > On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 at 22:53 +0100, christian bunge wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have a problem to install the firmware-loader-0.5 for the MidiSport 4x4 > > I have found a hint at http://sourceforge.net/projects/usb-midi-fw/ that > > there is a problme with udev > > > > this is what I did: > > First I installed de firmware-loader-0.5 > > > > Then I created a new rule file in /etc/udev/rules.d named > > 13-Midisport4x4.rules with this only line. > > > > SUBSYSTEM=="usb", > > ACTION=="add", > > SYSFS{idProduct}=="1020", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0763" , > > RUN+="/sbin/fxload -s /usr/share/usb/midisport/MidiSportLoader.ihx > > -I /usr/share/usb/midisport/MidiSport4x4.ihx" > > > > now the MidiSport 4x4 is detectet, but the lights are flashing up and > > down. I get a kernel massage > > linux kernel: usb 1-1:device descriptor read/64, error -71 > > > > thanks for help > > > > christian From errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk Sat Jan 7 06:31:33 2006 From: errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk (Martin Habets) Date: Sat Jan 7 06:35:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] help with virtual midi? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060107113133.GB2063@palantir8> On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 02:07:25PM -0800, bernie arai wrote: > [root@localhost bernie]# /sbin/modprobe snd-virmidi snd_index=2 > FATAL: Error inserting snd_virmidi > (/lib/modules/2.6.12-0.21.rdt.rhfc4.ccrma/updates/drivers/snd-virmidi.ko): > Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) > > ...but when i look at /var/log/dmesg (is that the right place?) i > can't see anything relating to it. dmesg is a command you execute. The newest messages show up at the end. If the output does not make sense to you, post the part here regarding snd-virmidi. -- Martin From fbar at footils.org Sat Jan 7 06:53:27 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Jan 7 06:53:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] help with virtual midi? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060107115327.GB9915@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Pete Leigh hat gesagt: // Pete Leigh wrote: > On 06/01/06, bernie arai wrote: > > > [root@localhost bernie]# /sbin/modprobe snd-virmidi snd_index=2 > > FATAL: Error inserting snd_virmidi > > (/lib/modules/2.6.12-0.21.rdt.rhfc4.ccrma/updates/drivers/snd-virmidi.ko): > > Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) > > I don't know about dmesg, but it seems the relevant bit in the error > message you're seeing is "unknown parameter", which would refer to > your "snd_index" parameter. > > >From looking at virmidi.c in the kernel source, I think you'd want > > # /sbin/modprobe snd-virmidi index=2 > > instead (ie. just "index", rather than "snd_index" ) That's right, you can also get this information with "/sbin/modinfo snd-virmidi". Maybe Bernie was following my Virmidi-HOWTO, which still had the old syntax. I fixed this mistake now in the version of the HOWTO on my site: http://footils.org/cms/show/24 (plus some other small fixes...) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From edwin at peer.co.za Sat Jan 7 06:51:54 2006 From: edwin at peer.co.za (Edwin Peer) Date: Sat Jan 7 06:53:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface - MIDI Message-ID: <200601071351.54661.edwin@peer.co.za> Hello all, Can anyone confirm whether or not the hardware MIDI ports of the RME Multiface are supported by ALSA? According to the alsa-project web site, the Multiface does not support [MIDIio], however, that same site also shows that the Digi32 and Digi96 do not support [MIDIio], which contradicts what I've read on various mailing lists about ALSA's MIDI support for the Digi32/96. I'm trying to get the MIDI ports of a Multiface working (to get Rosegarden talking to an external keyboard), but so far have had no success. Any ideas? Pointers to relevant documentation? - Edwin -- #include http://www.peer.co.za/~espeer/disclaimer.html From lconrad at laymusic.org Sat Jan 7 09:34:41 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Sat Jan 7 09:34:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <200601061850.27279.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> (Nigel Henry's message of "Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:50:27 +0100") References: <200601061813.44779.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <87bqypqnjp.fsf@laymusic.org> <200601061850.27279.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <87lkxsp0n2.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "NH" == Nigel Henry writes: NH> Also he asked for the output of: NH> cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1 >> NH> Would you post the output of this please, as it will confirm NH> if the soundfont is loaded. >> >> [~]# cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1 >> Device: Emu10k1 >> Ports: 4 >> Addresses: 65:0 65:1 65:2 65:3 >> Use Counter: 0 >> Max Voices: 64 >> Allocated Voices: 0 >> Memory Size: 134217728 >> Memory Available: 130711440 >> Allocated Blocks: 458 >> SoundFonts: 1 >> Instruments: 1789 >> Samples: 456 >> Locked Instruments: 1789 >> Locked Samples: 456 >> You have mail in /var/spool/mail/lconrad >> [~]# >> NH> Are there any larger soundfonts on your Creative CDROM? I've no idea, but NH> perhaps the soundfont is not large enough to play the midi file that you are NH> trying. This font is the one that's worked in the past when I've had MIDI working. I do have others. I just loaded the one with the largest file size, 4GMGSMT.SF2, and it looks more like yours, but still doesn't make noise when I play MIDI: [~]# cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1 Device: Emu10k1 Ports: 4 Addresses: 65:0 65:1 65:2 65:3 Use Counter: 0 Max Voices: 64 Allocated Voices: 0 Memory Size: 134217728 Memory Available: 130183486 Allocated Blocks: 490 SoundFonts: 1 Instruments: 3560 Samples: 488 Locked Instruments: 3560 Locked Samples: 488 NH> If you do use KDE. Try Kmid, which even though it crashes now and again, at NH> least I know it plays midi files ok. Nigel. It seems to do the same thing as the command line players -- look like it's playing, but not produce any sound. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From jesse at essej.net Sat Jan 7 09:57:06 2006 From: jesse at essej.net (Jesse Chappell) Date: Sat Jan 7 09:57:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Current merrits of tmpfs with Jack In-Reply-To: <43BF6604.60801@starband.net> References: <200512231702.jBNH217l028176@roar.music.columbia.edu> <1135383106.6838.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43ACC47B.9040609@starband.net> <43BE99C6.9000508@starband.net> <43BF6604.60801@starband.net> Message-ID: On 1/7/06, Russell Hanaghan wrote: > Prerequisites > > * 2.4, 2.5 or 2.6 series kernel with tmpfs turned on (CONFIG_TMPFS) > * Shared memory file system mounted on /dev/shm. add the following > to /etc/fstab to get it mounted at boot: > > shmfs /dev/shm shm defaults 0 0 > > > (Note: you may have to make the /dev/shm directory) > > > > Is this the actual use of /dev/shm or can it serve dual purpose and be > also set up as tmpfs for fifo's? Yes this is the actual use of /dev/shm. In many distros you will find such a line already in the /etc/fstab. And yes, it can serve dual purpose. > Or... > > |# mkdir /mnt/ramfs| > > [edit /etc/fstab and add the following line] > > |none /mnt/ramfs tmpfs defaults 0 0| > > Then use --with-default-tmpdir=/mnt/ramfs to the JACK configure line > when you build it. No clients need to be recompiled. This is just an older alternative, not better. jlc From jonathan.stutters at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 7 10:00:42 2006 From: jonathan.stutters at ntlworld.com (Jon Stutters) Date: Sat Jan 7 10:01:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface - MIDI In-Reply-To: <200601071351.54661.edwin@peer.co.za> References: <200601071351.54661.edwin@peer.co.za> Message-ID: <43BFD79A.7000307@ntlworld.com> Edwin Peer wrote: > Hello all, > > Can anyone confirm whether or not the hardware MIDI ports of the RME Multiface > are supported by ALSA? They work fine here using a Multiface connected by PCI. Kernel 2.6.13, ALSA 1.0.9. Can't offer much more help than that I'm afraid, it "just worked". If you post some diagnostic information (ALSA version, output of lspci etc.) someone might be able to offer some more insight. Jonny www.jeremah.co.uk From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sat Jan 7 10:12:54 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sat Jan 7 10:10:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface - MIDI In-Reply-To: <200601071351.54661.edwin@peer.co.za> References: <200601071351.54661.edwin@peer.co.za> Message-ID: <1136646774.24070.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-01-07 at 13:51 +0200, Edwin Peer wrote: > Hello all, > > Can anyone confirm whether or not the hardware MIDI ports of the RME Multiface > are supported by ALSA? > > According to the alsa-project web site, the Multiface does not support > [MIDIio], however, that same site also shows that the Digi32 and Digi96 do > not support [MIDIio], which contradicts what I've read on various mailing > lists about ALSA's MIDI support for the Digi32/96. a) the digi32 and digi96 are completely different products from the multiface, digiface, hdsp, digi9652 and digi9632 models. they use different hardware, a different design, different everything. b) the multiface MIDI I/O is supported, using the same code as the digiface MIDI I/O which i was using last night. > I'm trying to get the MIDI ports of a Multiface working (to get Rosegarden > talking to an external keyboard), but so far have had no success. Any ideas? > Pointers to relevant documentation? it should just work. make sure you have the snd-seq module loaded, then fire up qjackctl and you should see the port(s) for the Multiface. off the top of my head i don't recall if it has 1 or two, the digiface has two and they are both there. you can also use aconnect -l to see the available ports from the standpoint of the ALSA sequencer. --p From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sat Jan 7 10:48:50 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sat Jan 7 10:46:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Behringer FCB1010 foot controller In-Reply-To: <43BFA1AF.6090601@ricordeau.org> References: <43BFA1AF.6090601@ricordeau.org> Message-ID: <1136648930.24070.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-01-07 at 12:10 +0100, Olivier Ricordeau wrote: > Hi there, > > Thanks to Santa Claus' help, I have the possibility to buy some hardware > to make music with my linux box. > > Looking for a MIDI foot controller, I found the Behringer FCB1010. > http://www.behringer.com/FCB1010/index.cfm?lang=ENG > > I'd like to use it for two things: > * Real time effect control (creox, jack-rack, pd a bit later, stuffs > like that). I'm a guitar player and I'd like to use my linux box as an > effect rack. I'll use sooperlooper too, for sure... > * I'm planning to buy a MIDI master keyboard (the M-Audio Keystation Pro > 88 looks awsome and it seems to work like a charm with ALSA). I'd like > to use the MIDI foot controller to control the keyboard too. > > I found very few FCB1010/Linux feedback on the web (and in the list's > archives). I'm interested in hearing from people who have this pedal. > Some successful linux experiences? > > More generally speaking, does it all sound feasible? I mean, will > combining the FCB1010 and the M-Audio Keystation Pro 88 fit my needs > (real time effects/looper control + basic mixing possibilitie expected > from a master keyboard, a bunch of controls and a midi sequencer)? the FCB1010 works perfectly with linux - its a purely MIDI technology. I use it with sooperlooper and to provide foot controls for my 2 h/w synthesizers. my only bad experience was plugging my first FCB1010 into a socket in rotterdam. even though it has an IEC power socket, it absolutely is not equipped with a universal power supply. a large hum/buzz later, and my investment was destroyed by twice the voltage it was designed for :( do read the manual *very* carefully, even if you think you know all about what it does. i spent a long night getting more and more confused because i thought i already knew what it did; i was wrong. it did the right thing, but a little differently from my mental model. --p From hanaghan at starband.net Sat Jan 7 11:53:56 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Sat Jan 7 11:53:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Current merrits of tmpfs with Jack In-Reply-To: References: <200512231702.jBNH217l028176@roar.music.columbia.edu> <1135383106.6838.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43ACC47B.9040609@starband.net> <43BE99C6.9000508@starband.net> <43BF6604.60801@starband.net> Message-ID: <43BFF224.4060209@starband.net> Jesse Chappell wrote: >On 1/7/06, Russell Hanaghan wrote: > > > >> Prerequisites >> >> * 2.4, 2.5 or 2.6 series kernel with tmpfs turned on (CONFIG_TMPFS) >> * Shared memory file system mounted on /dev/shm. add the following >> to /etc/fstab to get it mounted at boot: >> >> shmfs /dev/shm shm defaults 0 0 >> >> >> (Note: you may have to make the /dev/shm directory) >> >> >> >>Is this the actual use of /dev/shm or can it serve dual purpose and be >>also set up as tmpfs for fifo's? >> >> > >Yes this is the actual use of /dev/shm. In many distros you will find >such a line already in the /etc/fstab. And yes, it can serve dual >purpose. > > > >>Or... >> >>|# mkdir /mnt/ramfs| >> >>[edit /etc/fstab and add the following line] >> >>|none /mnt/ramfs tmpfs defaults 0 0| >> >>Then use --with-default-tmpdir=/mnt/ramfs to the JACK configure line >>when you build it. No clients need to be recompiled. >> >> > >This is just an older alternative, not better. > >jlc > > > > Thanks Jesse From ce at christeck.de Sat Jan 7 13:00:14 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Jan 7 12:58:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA 1EX @ 44.1kHz Message-ID: <200601071900.14828.ce@christeck.de> Hi folks, a friend of mine has a collection of mp3 files which all are based on 44.1kHz. Using a soundcard which only supports 48kHz makes it necessary to resample the audio material before outputting it to the card/speakers. To avoid the resampling, he's looking for an USB audio card which runs well on Linux (preferably with the snd_usb_audio-module) and natively supports 44.1kHz in hardware. One choice could be the Edirol UA 1EX, but I haven't found any resource which clearly states that it is running well on Linux, even at 44.1kHz. On http://www.roland.com/products/en/UA-1EX/ I can read ?Supports both advanced and OS-standard drivers (Win/ Mac OS X), selected with ADVANCED DRIVER.? but I also see http://www.linux-m32r.org/lxr/http/source/sound/usb/usbquirks.h /* TODO: add Edirol UA-1EX support */ Can anyone give me a wee small hint whether the device works or not? If so, any experiences with material at 44.1kHz? Best regards ce From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 13:26:14 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Sat Jan 7 13:26:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Behringer FCB1010 foot controller In-Reply-To: <1136648930.24070.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060107182614.78227.qmail@web52614.mail.yahoo.com> Also consider joining us in the FCB1010 and FCB1010 Sysex tool Yahoo groups for advice, documentation, utilities and more: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010_sysex_tool/ -=cybersean3000=- --- Paul Davis wrote: > On Sat, 2006-01-07 at 12:10 +0100, Olivier Ricordeau > wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > Thanks to Santa Claus' help, I have the > possibility to buy some hardware > > to make music with my linux box. > > > > Looking for a MIDI foot controller, I found the > Behringer FCB1010. > > > http://www.behringer.com/FCB1010/index.cfm?lang=ENG > > > > I'd like to use it for two things: > > * Real time effect control (creox, jack-rack, pd a > bit later, stuffs > > like that). I'm a guitar player and I'd like to > use my linux box as an > > effect rack. I'll use sooperlooper too, for > sure... > > * I'm planning to buy a MIDI master keyboard (the > M-Audio Keystation Pro > > 88 looks awsome and it seems to work like a charm > with ALSA). I'd like > > to use the MIDI foot controller to control the > keyboard too. > > > > I found very few FCB1010/Linux feedback on the web > (and in the list's > > archives). I'm interested in hearing from people > who have this pedal. > > Some successful linux experiences? > > > > More generally speaking, does it all sound > feasible? I mean, will > > combining the FCB1010 and the M-Audio Keystation > Pro 88 fit my needs > > (real time effects/looper control + basic mixing > possibilitie expected > > from a master keyboard, a bunch of controls and a > midi sequencer)? > > the FCB1010 works perfectly with linux - its a > purely MIDI technology. I > use it with sooperlooper and to provide foot > controls for my 2 h/w > synthesizers. > > my only bad experience was plugging my first FCB1010 > into a socket in > rotterdam. even though it has an IEC power socket, > it absolutely is not > equipped with a universal power supply. a large > hum/buzz later, and my > investment was destroyed by twice the voltage it was > designed for :( > > do read the manual *very* carefully, even if you > think you know all > about what it does. i spent a long night getting > more and more confused > because i thought i already knew what it did; i was > wrong. it did the > right thing, but a little differently from my mental > model. > > --p > > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Jan 7 13:52:40 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Jan 7 13:51:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Complete Linux Audio System Message-ID: <20060107185240.2cc9d8f7@localhost> I would like to buy (yes I did say buy) a reasonably complete Linux based music development/recording system. I really don't have either the time or skills to build this up myself, I barely have enough free time for my real interest - music. I've tried Rosegarden and like it very much so I guess this would be the heart of the system. It seems to be very popular. Beyond that, well does anyone know of a company or individual that puts these systems together? I think this has been mentioned before, but don't know if any real results were obtained. -- F From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sat Jan 7 14:09:44 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sat Jan 7 14:10:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Complete Linux Audio System In-Reply-To: <20060107185240.2cc9d8f7@localhost> References: <20060107185240.2cc9d8f7@localhost> Message-ID: <43C011F8.90204@poeticstudios.com> Folderol wrote: >I would like to buy (yes I did say buy) a reasonably complete Linux >based music development/recording system. I really don't have either >the time or skills to build this up myself, I barely have enough >free time for my real interest - music. > >I've tried Rosegarden and like it very much so I guess this would be >the heart of the system. It seems to be very popular. Beyond that, well >does anyone know of a company or individual that puts these systems >together? > >I think this has been mentioned before, but don't know if any real >results were obtained. > > > http://www.linuxaudiosystems.com/ c. www.cesaremarilungo.com From forest at alittletooquiet.net Sat Jan 7 16:56:46 2006 From: forest at alittletooquiet.net (Forest Bond) Date: Sat Jan 7 16:57:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Complete Linux Audio System In-Reply-To: <20060107185240.2cc9d8f7@localhost> References: <20060107185240.2cc9d8f7@localhost> Message-ID: <20060107215646.GA14769@storm.local.network> > I would like to buy (yes I did say buy) a reasonably complete Linux > based music development/recording system. I really don't have either > the time or skills to build this up myself, I barely have enough > free time for my real interest - music. > > I've tried Rosegarden and like it very much so I guess this would be > the heart of the system. It seems to be very popular. Beyond that, well > does anyone know of a company or individual that puts these systems > together? http://www.ferventsoftware.co.uk A bootable/installable CD based on Knoppix, put together by the core Rosegarden developers. It "just works" (for the most part)...Knoppix is a hassle to make changes to (it's basically a partially broken version of Debian), but Studio To Go! works like a charm. -Forest -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards ce From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Sat Jan 7 18:27:49 2006 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio64) Date: Sat Jan 7 18:27:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Complete Linux Audio System In-Reply-To: <20060107215646.GA14769@storm.local.network> References: <20060107185240.2cc9d8f7@localhost> <20060107215646.GA14769@storm.local.network> Message-ID: <43C04E75.3070708@walescomputers.co.uk> HI Yes I would recommend Studio to go for your particular needs. You could try studio64 as well if your thinking 64bit. Cheers Bob Forest Bond wrote: >>I would like to buy (yes I did say buy) a reasonably complete Linux >>based music development/recording system. I really don't have either >>the time or skills to build this up myself, I barely have enough >>free time for my real interest - music. >> >>I've tried Rosegarden and like it very much so I guess this would be >>the heart of the system. It seems to be very popular. Beyond that, well >>does anyone know of a company or individual that puts these systems >>together? >> >> > >http://www.ferventsoftware.co.uk > >A bootable/installable CD based on Knoppix, put together by the core >Rosegarden developers. It "just works" (for the most part)...Knoppix is >a hassle to make changes to (it's basically a partially broken version >of Debian), but Studio To Go! works like a charm. > >-Forest > > From core at jacklab.net Sat Jan 7 19:02:22 2006 From: core at jacklab.net (Michael Bohle) Date: Sat Jan 7 19:02:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] JAD kernel released Message-ID: <1136678543.5602.3.camel@jacklab.metanet> The JackLab team proudly announcing their first SuSE flavoured full-preemt lowlatency RT kernel 2.6.15 release this weekend. For tester this audio kernel will be available now in our APT-repository at gwdg.de. This is an important milestone for the project on our way to the openSUSE based JackLab Audio Distribution. Oliver Bengs (Appleonkel) has created this openSUSE Linux 10.0 compatible kernel.rpm. We decided to release a seperate rpm with realtime linux security management module (rt-lsm) as a optional opportunity for user realtime capabilities. A step by step installation guide can be found in the user support forum http://jacklab.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=29 Michael Project manager From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sat Jan 7 19:10:59 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sat Jan 7 19:11:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: <87lkxsp0n2.fsf@laymusic.org> References: <200601061850.27279.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <87lkxsp0n2.fsf@laymusic.org> Message-ID: <200601080110.59970.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Saturday 07 January 2006 15:34, Laura Conrad wrote: > >>>>> "NH" == Nigel Henry writes: > > NH> Also he asked for the output of: > NH> cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1 > > NH> Would you post the output of this please, as it will confirm > NH> if the soundfont is loaded. > > >> [~]# cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1 > >> Device: Emu10k1 > >> Ports: 4 > >> Addresses: 65:0 65:1 65:2 65:3 > >> Use Counter: 0 > >> Max Voices: 64 > >> Allocated Voices: 0 > >> Memory Size: 134217728 > >> Memory Available: 130711440 > >> Allocated Blocks: 458 > >> SoundFonts: 1 > >> Instruments: 1789 > >> Samples: 456 > >> Locked Instruments: 1789 > >> Locked Samples: 456 > >> You have mail in /var/spool/mail/lconrad > >> [~]# > > NH> Are there any larger soundfonts on your Creative CDROM? I've no > idea, but NH> perhaps the soundfont is not large enough to play the midi > file that you are NH> trying. > > This font is the one that's worked in the past when I've had MIDI > working. I do have others. > > I just loaded the one with the largest file size, 4GMGSMT.SF2, and it > looks more like yours, but still doesn't make noise when I play MIDI: > > [~]# cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1 > Device: Emu10k1 > Ports: 4 > Addresses: 65:0 65:1 65:2 65:3 > Use Counter: 0 > Max Voices: 64 > Allocated Voices: 0 > Memory Size: 134217728 > Memory Available: 130183486 > Allocated Blocks: 490 > SoundFonts: 1 > Instruments: 3560 > Samples: 488 > Locked Instruments: 3560 > Locked Samples: 488 > > > NH> If you do use KDE. Try Kmid, which even though it crashes now and > again, at NH> least I know it plays midi files ok. Nigel. > > It seems to do the same thing as the command line players -- look like > it's playing, but not produce any sound. Hi Laura. Sorry for the delay in replying. You said on an earlier post that you'd had midi working. Was this on the same machine, and if so, which distro? I'm fast running out of suggestions. If the audio is working ok, TiMidity plays midi files ok, the only other things you should need for playing midi, for instance with Kmid are. Make sure that snd-emu10k1-synth is loaded. Load the soundfont onto the card, and if using KMid. Make sure that in Kmids "Settings", "Midi Setup", that you select one of the wavetable ports, and ok it. Then the midi file should just play after loading it in Kmid. The only thing I don't quite understand, if I read this correctly, is that Qjackctl shows both sound cards as "hw:0 Lets try setting the cards to load as card 1, and card2. This I've had to do so that snd-usb-audio loads as the second card, otherwise Alsa detects my usb midi keyboard as the soundcard. Open the CLI and su to root, then open a text editor, Kwrite, Gedit or something. Go to. /etc/modutils/sound . This is possibly a blank page. Add these lines. alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1 options snd-emu10k1 index=0 alias snd-card-1 snd-via82xx options snd-via82xx index=1 Save, then close the editor. Then run "update-modules" without the double quotes, which will update /etc/modules.conf . It may now be worth looking in Qjackctl's settings to see if you now have hw:0 , and hw:1 . If not it may be worth rebooting the machine, making sure that snd-emu10k1-synth, and the soundfont is loaded. Look in Qjackctl again, to check whether you have 2 entries in the settings/interface. Then go for a midi file again in Kmid, again checking that settings/midi-setup shows a wavetable port selected. My wrist is getting a bit tired now, like the Simpsons line about doing animation in realtime. Even if this don't work, you are working yourself around different bits of the machine. I'm not being flippant, just trying to remain positive. Nigel. From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sat Jan 7 19:23:56 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sat Jan 7 19:24:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Complete Linux Audio System In-Reply-To: <43C011F8.90204@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060107185240.2cc9d8f7@localhost> <43C011F8.90204@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <43C05B9C.10504@poeticstudios.com> Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Folderol wrote: > >> I would like to buy (yes I did say buy) a reasonably complete Linux >> based music development/recording system. I really don't have either >> the time or skills to build this up myself, I barely have enough >> free time for my real interest - music. >> >> I've tried Rosegarden and like it very much so I guess this would be >> the heart of the system. It seems to be very popular. Beyond that, well >> does anyone know of a company or individual that puts these systems >> together? >> >> I think this has been mentioned before, but don't know if any real >> results were obtained. >> >> >> > http://www.linuxaudiosystems.com/ > > c. > www.cesaremarilungo.com > > Sorry, I thought he was looking for a custom tailored hardware solution. c. From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sat Jan 7 19:44:08 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sat Jan 7 19:40:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Complete Linux Audio System In-Reply-To: <20060107185240.2cc9d8f7@localhost> References: <20060107185240.2cc9d8f7@localhost> Message-ID: <43C06058.3060606@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, i intend to build such a box until June this year - so it could be ready for shipping in November at best... (if one takes care for stuff like guaranty, professional support etc.) I got a kind of a Prototype running which i am about to optimize for Musicians (that is: writing and integrating helperapplets / scripts / templates and tutorials etc.) I really do *not* think, that any to-be-installed CD-Distribution can really do perfectly well - Hardware is simply too diverse to make sure, that a CD-INstall does not leads to ruin - let alone works as good as a set of Programms, that are compiled and configured by someone with some experience/knowledge on a box that is build out of parts that are chosen for being 100% Linuxproof. If you prefer to invest money to save time/effort i gravely recommend to by a complete preconfigured Box BTW: why not something 2nd hand - a box with some scratches but with proven virtues ;-) Folderol schrieb: > I would like to buy (yes I did say buy) a reasonably complete Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDwGBY1Aecwva1SWMRAjXHAJ9I9qqo4J1QEToAHqtbfzLGw5D5swCfbZKN KyV/BVe2Bwb2wuk9GJrUhos= =doeo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From reubenf at sonic.net Mon Jan 9 23:20:28 2006 From: reubenf at sonic.net (reuben) Date: Mon Jan 9 23:18:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music using buzz tracker on linux Message-ID: <43C3360C.5050707@sonic.net> A few months back I posted to this list regarding running buzz tracker, which is an excellent piece of windows freeware, on linux. I put together a quick piece to demonstrate what it does; this isn't particularly complex musically, but I quite like it. Aside from the amen loop, which comes in @ approx 1:00, every sound is synthesized by buzz (the amen is provided by a machine which is dedicated to producing amen loops, so even that is not from an externally loaded sample.) The ogg and bmx (buzz tracker file) are both here: http://flavor8.com/index.php/2006/01/09/music-made-using-buzz-tracker/ As explained previously, unfortunately there will never be a port of the software to linux, as the developer lost the source code when his hard drive crashed(!). There are a huge number of machines (see buzzmachines.com) written to its API, so it would be highly advantageous to Linux audio if somebody were to write a client that could use them - hint, hint. From cesare at poeticstudios.com Mon Jan 9 23:52:29 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Mon Jan 9 23:52:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] PdPod (pure data on ipodlinux) - Is anybody else experimenting with it? Message-ID: <43C33D8D.8000305@poeticstudios.com> If you're interested I wrote a post on my blog: http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/blog/2006/01/08/pdpod-pure-data-on-the-ipod-or-generative-music-on-the-go/ Or you can visit the wiki page on ipodlinux.org: http://ipodlinux.org/PdPod I would really like to get in touch with people interested in this hack. Thanks, c. www.cesaremarilungo.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Tue Jan 10 01:42:58 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Tue Jan 10 01:43:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ZOOM G2.u1 (generic usb audio device) and ALSA working for playback only Message-ID: <43C35772.2080000@poeticstudios.com> Contrary to what I said in a previous post I can't get the capture part of this device to work (On the same setup in which my UA-25 works perfectly). Alsamixer shows just the playback and jack doesn't start with capture enabled. Some hint? Clemens? :-) Thanks in advance. c. p.s. Sent lsusb -v output as an attachment. This time gzipped. Sorry. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd love to hear from you! My name's Carlo, I'm 23 from Switzerland, and here's my email address: capocasa@gmx.net Have a great time! Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Jan 10 02:52:09 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Jan 10 02:49:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: anybody using seq24 for live performances? In-Reply-To: <20060102205022.23286.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> References: <43B99294.6050509@woh.rr.com> <20060102205022.23286.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi there! Although I don't feel ready yet to go out and play gigs I have used seq24 for hours on end practicing at home and it's a pretty cool sequencer. For live tricks the downside is having to use a mouse which can get a bit fudgy, but aside of that it works fine. Carlo From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Jan 10 06:14:22 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Jan 10 06:09:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music using buzz tracker on linux In-Reply-To: <43C3360C.5050707@sonic.net> References: <43C3360C.5050707@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20060110111422.GG17646@phlunky.Belkin> On Mon, 09 Jan, 2006 at 08:20PM -0800, reuben spake thus: > A few months back I posted to this list regarding running buzz tracker, > which is an excellent piece of windows freeware, on linux. I put > together a quick piece to demonstrate what it does; this isn't > particularly complex musically, but I quite like it. Aside from the amen > loop, which comes in @ approx 1:00, every sound is synthesized by buzz > (the amen is provided by a machine which is dedicated to producing amen > loops, so even that is not from an externally loaded sample.) Wow! What an ace instrument! Sorry, machine. Amen just can't be overused. > The ogg and bmx (buzz tracker file) are both here: > http://flavor8.com/index.php/2006/01/09/music-made-using-buzz-tracker/ I like this, but I couldn't help thinking it should build and then snap into something louder, with more beat and crunchier synths. > As explained previously, unfortunately there will never be a port of the > software to linux, as the developer lost the source code when his hard > drive crashed(!). There are a huge number of machines (see > buzzmachines.com) written to its API, so it would be highly advantageous > to Linux audio if somebody were to write a client that could use them - > hint, hint. > > > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Jan 10 06:16:58 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Jan 10 06:11:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music Message-ID: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> Now that LAU seems to be workign again... Hello all, I have some new music and new tracker ramblings at http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/01/music-delays-and-perl-nightmares.html The track uses a sample of railway station ambiance I found at freesound, and some cycles taken from my own voice for the bass and main synth. Comments, feedback and criticism are, as always, gratefully received. Almost, anyway. You can't see if I sulk. James -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From carotinobg at yahoo.it Tue Jan 10 07:41:03 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Tue Jan 10 07:36:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Xi instruments In-Reply-To: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <200601101341.03640.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi all! I still have a lot of old fasttracker XI instrument, and I would like to use them again. I'm a fan of the tracker interface, but I haven't found a tracker that suits my taste, so I opted for MIDI. But I'm still looking for a sampler which is able to read those XI instruments. Or maybe some sort of converter to another more modern format? Thanks in advance Carotinho Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From aljordan at maine.rr.com Tue Jan 10 08:53:05 2006 From: aljordan at maine.rr.com (aljordan@maine.rr.com) Date: Tue Jan 10 08:53:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music Message-ID: <189ee5c189ec86.189ec86189ee5c@nyroc.rr.com> Hi James, I like the song, particularly the background ambiance. I just can't figure out how you could write such a happy riff in a sleep deprived, nightmare ridden state. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: james@dis-dot-dat.net Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:16 am Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music > Now that LAU seems to be workign again... > > Hello all, > > I have some new music and new tracker ramblings at > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/01/music-delays-and-perl- > nightmares.html > The track uses a sample of railway station ambiance I found at > freesound, and some cycles taken from my own voice for the bass and > main synth. > > Comments, feedback and criticism are, as always, gratefully > received. Almost, anyway. You can't see if I sulk. > > James > -- > "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development > That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." > (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) > From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 09:11:39 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Jan 10 09:11:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music In-Reply-To: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0601100611k3c982555v4f27dccfd05e50e3@mail.gmail.com> On 1/10/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > Now that LAU seems to be workign again... > > Hello all, > > I have some new music and new tracker ramblings at > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/01/music-delays-and-perl-nightmares.html > > The track uses a sample of railway station ambiance I found at > freesound, and some cycles taken from my own voice for the bass and > main synth. > > Comments, feedback and criticism are, as always, gratefully > received. Almost, anyway. You can't see if I sulk. > > James > -- > "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development > That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." > (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) > James, Enjoyable music. Note that the links for 'a beat' and 'Have a listen' didn't work for me. Cheers, Mark From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Jan 10 11:05:08 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Jan 10 10:59:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music In-Reply-To: <189ee5c189ec86.189ec86189ee5c@nyroc.rr.com> References: <189ee5c189ec86.189ec86189ee5c@nyroc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060110160508.GJ17646@phlunky.Belkin> On Tue, 10 Jan, 2006 at 08:53AM -0500, aljordan@maine.rr.com spake thus: > Hi James, > > I like the song, particularly the background ambiance. Thanks. > I just can't figure out how you could write such a happy riff in a sleep > deprived, nightmare ridden state. Just think of it as the depthless noodlings of a sleep deprived mind. > Alan > > From: james@dis-dot-dat.net > Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:16 am > Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music > > > Now that LAU seems to be workign again... > > > > Hello all, > > > > I have some new music and new tracker ramblings at > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/01/music-delays-and-perl- > > nightmares.html > > The track uses a sample of railway station ambiance I found at > > freesound, and some cycles taken from my own voice for the bass and > > main synth. > > > > Comments, feedback and criticism are, as always, gratefully > > received. Almost, anyway. You can't see if I sulk. > > > > James > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Jan 10 11:06:57 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Jan 10 11:01:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0601100611k3c982555v4f27dccfd05e50e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> <5bdc1c8b0601100611k3c982555v4f27dccfd05e50e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060110160656.GK17646@phlunky.Belkin> On Tue, 10 Jan, 2006 at 06:11AM -0800, Mark Knecht spake thus: > On 1/10/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > Now that LAU seems to be workign again... > > > > Hello all, > > > > I have some new music and new tracker ramblings at > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/01/music-delays-and-perl-nightmares.html > > > > The track uses a sample of railway station ambiance I found at > > freesound, and some cycles taken from my own voice for the bass and > > main synth. > > > > Comments, feedback and criticism are, as always, gratefully > > received. Almost, anyway. You can't see if I sulk. > > > > James > > > > James, > Enjoyable music. Thankyou. > Note that the links for 'a beat' and 'Have a > listen' didn't work for me. It seems to be fine in my browser, which makes fixing it a bit awkward. Could you do me a favour and try wget to get the files? Thanks, James -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Tue Jan 10 11:01:43 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Tue Jan 10 11:02:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linuxsampler downloads? In-Reply-To: <43C28055.3000308@chapelperilous.net> References: <43C28055.3000308@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <43C3DA67.1070604@chapelperilous.net> Anyone know if or when Linuxsampler will be available for download again? Seems their server crapped out a while back but doesn't seem to be back up yet. -- Brett From pcoccoli at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 11:40:13 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Tue Jan 10 11:40:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: anybody using seq24 for live performances? In-Reply-To: References: <43B99294.6050509@woh.rr.com> <20060102205022.23286.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8d27a0610601100840k22cd469er8d89a3147f64c622@mail.gmail.com> On 1/10/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Hi there! > > Although I don't feel ready yet to go out and play gigs I have used > seq24 for hours on end practicing at home and it's a pretty cool > sequencer. For live tricks the downside is having to use a mouse which > can get a bit fudgy, but aside of that it works fine. > > Carlo > > You do know that you can trigger loops using the keyboard, right? To me, that seems like the best way to use it. Now if I could only write some loops... From tdhoward at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 11:42:33 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Tue Jan 10 11:42:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems Message-ID: >From: Nigel Henry >Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems >To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu >Cc: Tim Howard >Message-ID: <200601061920.13253.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >On Friday 06 January 2006 17:16, Tim Howard wrote: >> > >>> Any other ideas? >> > >> >> > >> Just to verify: you loaded a valid soundfont into the wavetable >> > >> synth, and you're sure you're sending the MIDI command sequence to the >> > >> wavetable synth? >> > > >> > > I have loaded the same soundfont that I use under Windoze, and all the >> > > instruments show up in Rosegarden... But still no sound. >> >> OK, I did a "cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1" and discovered that >> the soundfont wasn't actually loading! I hadn't installed the package >> containing sfxload, so my call to it was failing, and I didn't realize >> it... Bingo, now it works! >> >> > > It's >> > > probably something ridiculously simple, since I'm new to this... >> > >> > S'ok. You're right that it usually is something simple, but it >> > never seems that way until *after* the problem is solved, when >> > it's easy to call it that! >> >> Yep, it was ridiculously simple... Thanks for the help! > Hi Tim. Could you verify something? I only use my Audigy2 soundcard, and have > the onboard card disabled with the jumpers on the MOBO. Do you still have > your onboard card enabled? If so, and you're now able to play midi files, the > fact that Laura still has her onboard card enabled, has nothing to do with > her inability to play midi files. > Glad you got yours working. Nigel. I checked my BIOS, and I currently have it set to disable audio. The only other option is "auto", which I have no idea what it looks at to automatically do... whatever it does. I tried setting this option to auto, then booted into Linux. Everything still worked fine, but it could be detecting my other sound card and automatically disabled the onboard sound. Anything else I should try? From ix at replic.net Tue Jan 10 11:46:12 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Tue Jan 10 11:46:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linuxsampler downloads? In-Reply-To: <43C3DA67.1070604@chapelperilous.net> References: <43C28055.3000308@chapelperilous.net> <43C3DA67.1070604@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <20060110164612.GA18053@replic.net> On Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 11:01:43AM -0500, Brett McCoy wrote: > Anyone know if or when Linuxsampler will be available for download > again? its not available? wget http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/libgig-2.0.1.tar.bz2 http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/liblscp-0.3.0.tar.gz http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/linuxsampler-0.3.3.tar.bz2 works for me... > Seems their server crapped out a while back but doesn't seem to > be back up yet. > > -- Brett From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Tue Jan 10 12:03:17 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Tue Jan 10 12:03:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linuxsampler downloads? In-Reply-To: <20060110164612.GA18053@replic.net> References: <43C28055.3000308@chapelperilous.net> <43C3DA67.1070604@chapelperilous.net> <20060110164612.GA18053@replic.net> Message-ID: <43C3E8D5.2060109@chapelperilous.net> cdr wrote: > On Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 11:01:43AM -0500, Brett McCoy wrote: > >> Anyone know if or when Linuxsampler will be available for download >> again? > > > its not available? wget > http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/libgig-2.0.1.tar.bz2 > http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/liblscp-0.3.0.tar.gz > http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/linuxsampler-0.3.3.tar.bz2 > works for me... I didn't know they'd set up a mirror, I was downloading stuff from their website. Are these gentoo specific packages? -- Brett From jusic at epoksi.afraid.org Tue Jan 10 12:20:59 2006 From: jusic at epoksi.afraid.org (Jussi Sainio) Date: Tue Jan 10 12:21:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linuxsampler downloads? In-Reply-To: <43C3E8D5.2060109@chapelperilous.net> References: <43C28055.3000308@chapelperilous.net> <43C3DA67.1070604@chapelperilous.net> <20060110164612.GA18053@replic.net> <43C3E8D5.2060109@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <43C3ECFB.2040307@epoksi.afraid.org> Well that's one of the Gentoo's mirrors. However, those should be original tarballs because Gentoo-specific patches are separately provided in the Gentoo's package management system (portage). --jussi Brett McCoy wrote: > cdr wrote: > >> On Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 11:01:43AM -0500, Brett McCoy wrote: >> >>> Anyone know if or when Linuxsampler will be available for download >>> again? >> >> >> >> its not available? wget >> http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/libgig-2.0.1.tar.bz2 >> http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/liblscp-0.3.0.tar.gz >> http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/linuxsampler-0.3.3.tar.bz2 >> works for me... > > > I didn't know they'd set up a mirror, I was downloading stuff from their > website. Are these gentoo specific packages? > > -- Brett > From jusic at epoksi.afraid.org Tue Jan 10 12:23:00 2006 From: jusic at epoksi.afraid.org (Jussi Sainio) Date: Tue Jan 10 12:23:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linuxsampler downloads? In-Reply-To: <43C3ECFB.2040307@epoksi.afraid.org> References: <43C28055.3000308@chapelperilous.net> <43C3DA67.1070604@chapelperilous.net> <20060110164612.GA18053@replic.net> <43C3E8D5.2060109@chapelperilous.net> <43C3ECFB.2040307@epoksi.afraid.org> Message-ID: <43C3ED74.5070606@epoksi.afraid.org> Jussi Sainio wrote: > Brett McCoy wrote: > >> cdr wrote: >> >>> On Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 11:01:43AM -0500, Brett McCoy wrote: >>> >>>> Anyone know if or when Linuxsampler will be available for download >>>> again? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> its not available? wget >>> http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/libgig-2.0.1.tar.bz2 >>> http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/liblscp-0.3.0.tar.gz >>> http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/linuxsampler-0.3.3.tar.bz2 >>> works for me... >> >> >> >> I didn't know they'd set up a mirror, I was downloading stuff from >> their website. Are these gentoo specific packages? >> >> -- Brett >> > > Well that's one of the Gentoo's mirrors. However, those should be > original tarballs because Gentoo-specific patches are separately > provided in the Gentoo's package management system (portage). > > --jussi > Ahem, sorry. Wrong reply settings. --jussi From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue Jan 10 14:07:58 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue Jan 10 14:08:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200601102007.59108.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Tuesday 10 January 2006 17:42, Tim Howard wrote: > >From: Nigel Henry > >Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Debian 2.6.14 alsa problems > >To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > >Cc: Tim Howard > >Message-ID: <200601061920.13253.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >On Friday 06 January 2006 17:16, Tim Howard wrote: > >> > >>> Any other ideas? > >> > >> > >> > >> Just to verify: you loaded a valid soundfont into the wavetable > >> > >> synth, and you're sure you're sending the MIDI command sequence to > >> > >> the wavetable synth? > >> > > > >> > > I have loaded the same soundfont that I use under Windoze, and all > >> > > the instruments show up in Rosegarden... But still no sound. > >> > >> OK, I did a "cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1" and discovered that > >> the soundfont wasn't actually loading! I hadn't installed the package > >> containing sfxload, so my call to it was failing, and I didn't realize > >> it... Bingo, now it works! > >> > >> > > It's > >> > > probably something ridiculously simple, since I'm new to this... > >> > > >> > S'ok. You're right that it usually is something simple, but it > >> > never seems that way until *after* the problem is solved, when > >> > it's easy to call it that! > >> > >> Yep, it was ridiculously simple... Thanks for the help! > > > > Hi Tim. Could you verify something? I only use my Audigy2 soundcard, and > > have the onboard card disabled with the jumpers on the MOBO. Do you still > > have your onboard card enabled? If so, and you're now able to play midi > > files, the fact that Laura still has her onboard card enabled, has > > nothing to do with her inability to play midi files. > > > > Glad you got yours working. Nigel. > > I checked my BIOS, and I currently have it set to disable audio. The > only other option is "auto", which I have no idea what it looks at to > automatically do... whatever it does. > > I tried setting this option to auto, then booted into Linux. > Everything still worked fine, but it could be detecting my other sound > card and automatically disabled the onboard sound. > > Anything else I should try? Hi Tim. Regarding your card. No. If it's working now, don't mess with it. Something you could do as a last request, is have a look in lsmod, and see if there is a module there named emu10k1_gp. This appears to be an oss module for the gameport. I do not have that module for my Audigy2, but Laura does have it showing in lsmod with her Audigy live Platinum. Nigel. From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Tue Jan 10 14:25:47 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Tue Jan 10 14:25:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Xi instruments In-Reply-To: <200601101341.03640.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> <200601101341.03640.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <20060111062547.32aa63c2.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Carotinho wrote: > Hi all! > > I still have a lot of old fasttracker XI instrument, and I would like to use > them again. I'm a fan of the tracker interface, but I haven't found a tracker > that suits my taste, so I opted for MIDI. But I'm still looking for a sampler > which is able to read those XI instruments. Or maybe some sort of converter > to another more modern format? Soundtracker uses XI instruments: http://www.soundtracker.org/ And libsndfile reads/writes XI files: http://www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile/ In the very near future, you will also be able to read/write the instrument loop points etc. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Question #26118: Being friends with Christians and gays http://islamqa.com/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=26118&dgn=4 From smoak at mis.net Tue Jan 10 14:30:29 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Tue Jan 10 14:26:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi tuning control? Message-ID: <200601101430.29163.smoak@mis.net> Setup: older roland kbcontroller mkb-200 and SBlive w/soundfont; works great for weekly practice group session, my solo practice, ..., and I'm enjoying it and linux audio. But sometimes I need a pitch (tuning) slider; some way to easily "tune" the keyboard to an out-of-tune recording, piano, etc. (Years ago, I used win31/sb&roland-daughter-card and there was an effects program that could tune. But it required use of computer kb and mouse so it wasn't what I'd call easy.) Right now when this need happens, I just quit playing kb and pick up my sax :>) I've never created a useful midi recording; I use it just for a keyboard to play. (Recently bought the book for Rosegarden and one these days, I hope ..) So I don't know much about midi ways of controlling stuff. The mkb-200 has 2 sliders for volume (lower and upper kb split), modulation (depth & risetime) sliders, pitch-bend wheel which is also modulation on, and buttons for stuff like channel, voice, after-touch, ... I have now idea how any of these might be used, or if some other midi device that I could buy, might give me a tuning slider. Is midi pitch tuning a part of any linux program like rosegarden, or a synth program or ??? If so, do any not require computer kb and mouse? Is there a command line way to do it? I've done a bit of googling on this without joy so far. Am I missing something obvious, or am I the only one that runs into the need to tune to someones out-of-tune instrument? Marv From dplist at free.fr Tue Jan 10 14:40:32 2006 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Tue Jan 10 14:40:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Amen (was: music using buzz tracker on linux) In-Reply-To: <20060110111422.GG17646@phlunky.Belkin> References: <43C3360C.5050707@sonic.net> <20060110111422.GG17646@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060110204032.716f0f4a.dplist@free.fr> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:14:22 +0000 james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > Amen just can't be overused. Some of you might be interested in watching "Can I Get An Amen?" from Nate Harrison, on line at http://www.nkhstudio.com. An intelligent piece of work with a very insightful conclusion. Great stuff. Enjoy. -- David From cesare at poeticstudios.com Tue Jan 10 14:43:27 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Tue Jan 10 14:43:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ZOOM G2.u1 (generic usb audio device) and ALSA working for playback only [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <43C35772.2080000@poeticstudios.com> References: <43C35772.2080000@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <43C40E5F.1000301@poeticstudios.com> Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Contrary to what I said in a previous post I can't get the capture part > of this device to work (On the same setup in which my UA-25 works > perfectly). > > Alsamixer shows just the playback and jack doesn't start with capture > enabled. > > Some hint? Clemens? :-) > > Thanks in advance. > > c. > > p.s. Sent lsusb -v output as an attachment. This time gzipped. Sorry. > > It was just a problem of permissions. Again, sorry. c. > > > From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Jan 10 15:02:04 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Jan 10 15:00:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Complete Linux Audio System In-Reply-To: <43C04E75.3070708@walescomputers.co.uk> References: <20060107185240.2cc9d8f7@localhost> <20060107215646.GA14769@storm.local.network> <43C04E75.3070708@walescomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060110200204.2dd5eaf2@localhost> On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:27:49 +0000 studio64 wrote: > HI > Yes I would recommend Studio to go for your particular needs. > You could try studio64 as well if your thinking 64bit. > Cheers > Bob > > > > > Forest Bond wrote: > > >>I would like to buy (yes I did say buy) a reasonably complete Linux > >>based music development/recording system. I really don't have either > >>the time or skills to build this up myself, I barely have enough > >>free time for my real interest - music. > >> > >>I've tried Rosegarden and like it very much so I guess this would be > >>the heart of the system. It seems to be very popular. Beyond that, well > >>does anyone know of a company or individual that puts these systems > >>together? > >> > >> > > > >http://www.ferventsoftware.co.uk > > > >A bootable/installable CD based on Knoppix, put together by the core > >Rosegarden developers. It "just works" (for the most part)...Knoppix is > >a hassle to make changes to (it's basically a partially broken version > >of Debian), but Studio To Go! works like a charm. > > > >-Forest I have thought about this, but it is the whole package I need. Hardware & Software. My current system has on-board graphics & sound and is OK for a bit of document work or Internet use but quite inadequate for much else. Rosegarden by itself takes up 50% processor bandwidth just running 11 tracks. Added to this I have an ailing CD ROM drive so there is little point in trying to patch this up. I really want to get a system that will serve me for a considerable time. I'm OK about upgrades and addittions, but starting from scratch is way beyond me. -- F From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Jan 10 15:02:12 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Jan 10 15:01:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Complete Linux Audio System In-Reply-To: <43C011F8.90204@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060107185240.2cc9d8f7@localhost> <43C011F8.90204@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <20060110200212.7707db0c@localhost> On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:09:44 +0100 Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Folderol wrote: > > >I would like to buy (yes I did say buy) a reasonably complete Linux > >based music development/recording system. I really don't have either > >the time or skills to build this up myself, I barely have enough > >free time for my real interest - music. > > > >I've tried Rosegarden and like it very much so I guess this would be > >the heart of the system. It seems to be very popular. Beyond that, well > >does anyone know of a company or individual that puts these systems > >together? > > > >I think this has been mentioned before, but don't know if any real > >results were obtained. > > > > > > > http://www.linuxaudiosystems.com/ > > c. > www.cesaremarilungo.com I had a look at this site but there seems to be very little information on it. Is this a new company starting up? -- F From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Jan 10 15:02:19 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Jan 10 15:01:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Complete Linux Audio System In-Reply-To: <43C06058.3060606@linuxuse.de> References: <20060107185240.2cc9d8f7@localhost> <43C06058.3060606@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <20060110200219.65aa53fc@localhost> On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 01:44:08 +0100 Hartmut Noack wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > > i intend to build such a box until June this year - so it could be ready > for shipping in November at best... (if one takes care for stuff like > guaranty, professional support etc.) I got a kind of a Prototype running > which i am about to optimize for Musicians (that is: writing and > integrating helperapplets / scripts / templates and tutorials etc.) > > I really do *not* think, that any to-be-installed CD-Distribution can > really do perfectly well - Hardware is simply too diverse to make sure, > that a CD-INstall does not leads to ruin - let alone works as good as a > set of Programms, that are compiled and configured by someone with some > experience/knowledge on a box that is build out of parts that are chosen > for being 100% Linuxproof. > > If you prefer to invest money to save time/effort i gravely recommend to > by a complete preconfigured Box > BTW: why not something 2nd hand - a box with some scratches but with > proven virtues ;-) I would be very interested to hear how you get on with this. Cost is not a major issue for me, although I obviously don't want to spend any more than I need to. Quality, reliability & flexibility are my chief concerns. -- F From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Jan 10 15:22:56 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Jan 10 15:20:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Complete Linux Audio System In-Reply-To: <20060110200212.7707db0c@localhost> References: <20060107185240.2cc9d8f7@localhost> <43C011F8.90204@poeticstudios.com> <20060110200212.7707db0c@localhost> Message-ID: <1136924576.4410.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > > > > http://www.linuxaudiosystems.com/ > > > > c. > > www.cesaremarilungo.com > > I had a look at this site but there seems to be very little information > on it. Is this a new company starting up? err, not exactly. "we" are the "company" that wrote Ardour, developed the initial version of JACK, wrote device drivers for the RME Hammerfall and HDSP devices, etc, etc. at one point, selling complete systems was a planned strategy for raising money to support software development. at this point in time, its not something i'm tremendously interested in doing, most because Fernando has done such a great job with PlanetCCRMA that its hardly worth paying me to do what i would do. i'd still be willing to build you a system or configure hardware that you ship to me, for an extra US$400 on top of the h/w cost. slightly more information at http://ardour.org/money.php. one of these days, i'd really better put some time into that website. --p From chris.cannam at ferventsoftware.com Tue Jan 10 15:53:06 2006 From: chris.cannam at ferventsoftware.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Tue Jan 10 15:48:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Complete Linux Audio System In-Reply-To: <200601080027.02656.ce@christeck.de> References: <20060107185240.2cc9d8f7@localhost> <20060107215646.GA14769@storm.local.network> <200601080027.02656.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200601102053.06549.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> On Saturday 07 Jan 2006 23:27, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > A bootable/installable CD based on Knoppix, put together by the > > core Rosegarden developers. It "just works" (for the most > > part)...Knoppix is a hassle to make changes to (it's basically a > > partially broken version of Debian), but Studio To Go! works like a > > charm. > > Just for clarification: if you use Linux because it is free software, > you'll not be happy with the non-free parts of Studio to go. Studio to Go includes non-free documentation, tutorials etc, provided under default copyright -- just the same as a traditional book. The only non-free binaries are a couple of example VST plugins, the VSTSDK header code, and the uploadable firmware for some pieces of hardware. There is no end-user license agreement. Whether you think that is reasonable or not is up to you -- if you don't, that's fine. But given that you care about free software, and specifically about free software music applications for Linux, it's not unreasonable to care that the development of that software can be funded somehow. Studio to Go is nowhere near a complete answer to that problem, but it is an honest attempt. I don't believe it's any more contentious in this respect than Paul Davis's former plan to sell a non-free Ardour manual would have been. (disclosure: I am a Rosegarden developer and one of the people behind Studio to Go.) Chris From ce at christeck.de Tue Jan 10 16:01:30 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Jan 10 15:59:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Complete Linux Audio System In-Reply-To: <200601102053.06549.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> References: <20060107185240.2cc9d8f7@localhost> <200601080027.02656.ce@christeck.de> <200601102053.06549.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> Message-ID: <200601102201.30636.ce@christeck.de> Hi Chris, thanks for the clarifying words. > Studio to Go includes non-free documentation, tutorials etc, provided > under default copyright -- just the same as a traditional book. ?The > only non-free binaries are a couple of example VST plugins, the > VSTSDK header code, and the uploadable firmware for some pieces of > hardware. There is no end-user license agreement. A question: I never tried it out myself, but AFAIR there are a lot fo scripts which glue all the free software together. Is this right and if so, are the scripts free software or not? Best regards ce From shulmang at colorado.edu Tue Jan 10 16:27:08 2006 From: shulmang at colorado.edu (Garett Shulman) Date: Tue Jan 10 16:27:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input Message-ID: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> Hello, perhaps this rediculous and non-sensical... I have an audio application outputing sound to the jack input client alsa_pcm:playback_1. This is a physical playback device on a soundcard. In addition to playing this back out of the sound card I would also like to record it to a wav file on the hard drive. Does anybody have any ideas for doing this. Perhaps a third jack client that has an input and an output and just writes anything from the input to the output. Then I could connect the audio application to the input and alsa_pcm:playback_1 and a recording application to the output. I guess ecasound could do this pretty easily. Is this the best way to acomplish the goal? There isn't any sort of 'loopback' output for jack input clients is there? Thanks! -Garett From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Tue Jan 10 16:33:23 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Tue Jan 10 16:33:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> References: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> Message-ID: <43C42823.2000600@chapelperilous.net> Garett Shulman wrote: > Hello, perhaps this rediculous and non-sensical... I have an audio > application outputing sound to the jack input client > alsa_pcm:playback_1. This is a physical playback device on a soundcard. > In addition to playing this back out of the sound card I would also like > to record it to a wav file on the hard drive. Does anybody have any > ideas for doing this. Perhaps a third jack client that has an input and > an output and just writes anything from the input to the output. Then I > could connect the audio application to the input and alsa_pcm:playback_1 > and a recording application to the output. I guess ecasound could do > this pretty easily. Is this the best way to acomplish the goal? There > isn't any sort of 'loopback' output for jack input clients is there? > Thanks! -Garett You could use Ardour for this also. Pretty typical recording scenario, really. You just have to make sure you are correctly routing sound into your Ardour track as well as routing out through a send (which should then go the playback channel). From rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz Tue Jan 10 16:40:09 2006 From: rosscoad at slingshot.co.nz (Rossco) Date: Tue Jan 10 16:40:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <43C42823.2000600@chapelperilous.net> References: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> <43C42823.2000600@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <43C429B9.1090402@slingshot.co.nz> Brett McCoy wrote: > Garett Shulman wrote: > >> Hello, perhaps this rediculous and non-sensical... I have an audio >> application outputing sound to the jack input client >> alsa_pcm:playback_1. This is a physical playback device on a >> soundcard. In addition to playing this back out of the sound card I >> would also like to record it to a wav file on the hard drive. Does >> anybody have any ideas for doing this. Perhaps a third jack client >> that has an input and an output and just writes anything from the >> input to the output. Then I could connect the audio application to >> the input and alsa_pcm:playback_1 and a recording application to the >> output. I guess ecasound could do this pretty easily. Is this the >> best way to acomplish the goal? There isn't any sort of 'loopback' >> output for jack input clients is there? Thanks! -Garett > > > You could use Ardour for this also. Pretty typical recording scenario, > really. You just have to make sure you are correctly routing sound > into your Ardour track as well as routing out through a send (which > should then go the playback channel). > If I understand your question correctly, I believe Jack Timemachine ( http://plugin.org.uk/timemachine/ ) will do this. Ross. From mista.tapas at gmx.net Tue Jan 10 16:47:40 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Tue Jan 10 16:47:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> References: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> Message-ID: <20060110224740.5bea84aa@mango.fruits.de> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:27:08 -0700 Garett Shulman wrote: > Hello, perhaps this rediculous and non-sensical... I have an audio > application outputing sound to the jack input client > alsa_pcm:playback_1. This is a physical playback device on a soundcard. > In addition to playing this back out of the sound card I would also like > to record it to a wav file on the hard drive. Does anybody have any > ideas for doing this. Perhaps a third jack client that has an input and > an output and just writes anything from the input to the output. timemachine just connect the apps output to the timemachine inputs AND the alsa_pcm:playback ports. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue Jan 10 16:51:34 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue Jan 10 16:51:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> References: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> Message-ID: <200601102251.34762.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Tuesday 10 January 2006 22:27, Garett Shulman wrote: > Hello, perhaps this rediculous and non-sensical... I have an audio > application outputing sound to the jack input client > alsa_pcm:playback_1. This is a physical playback device on a soundcard. > In addition to playing this back out of the sound card I would also like > to record it to a wav file on the hard drive. Does anybody have any > ideas for doing this. Perhaps a third jack client that has an input and > an output and just writes anything from the input to the output. Then I > could connect the audio application to the input and alsa_pcm:playback_1 > and a recording application to the output. I guess ecasound could do > this pretty easily. Is this the best way to acomplish the goal? There > isn't any sort of 'loopback' output for jack input clients is there? > Thanks! -Garett Hi Garett. Jack Time Machine will also record whats being played and save it as a .wav to your /home/user directory if thats as much as you want. If you decide to use it you will have to change the command on the desktop link to application to: /usr/bin/timemachine -f wav , otherwise it saves it as a bit of an obscure file format as default. Also there was no icon in Kmenu on Fedora. The icon is in /usr/share/timemachine/pixmaps. Nigel. From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue Jan 10 17:00:21 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue Jan 10 17:00:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <20060110224740.5bea84aa@mango.fruits.de> References: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> <20060110224740.5bea84aa@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <200601102300.21837.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Tuesday 10 January 2006 22:47, Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:27:08 -0700 > > Garett Shulman wrote: > > Hello, perhaps this rediculous and non-sensical... I have an audio > > application outputing sound to the jack input client > > alsa_pcm:playback_1. This is a physical playback device on a soundcard. > > In addition to playing this back out of the sound card I would also like > > to record it to a wav file on the hard drive. Does anybody have any > > ideas for doing this. Perhaps a third jack client that has an input and > > an output and just writes anything from the input to the output. > > timemachine > > just connect the apps output to the timemachine inputs AND the > alsa_pcm:playback ports. > > Flo Hi Florian. Yes . I'm sorry about that. I forgot the bit about connecting the music app to timemachine in Qjackctls audio connection. Oops. Nigel. From a at gaydenko.com Tue Jan 10 17:14:27 2006 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Tue Jan 10 17:08:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <200601102251.34762.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> <200601102251.34762.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <200601110114.27114@goldspace.net> The timemachine's level meter doesn't show db values (or - is it so for me only :-)). Is there stand-alone jack-enabled level-meter with peak-measurement capabilities? ======= On Wednesday 11 January 2006 00:51, Nigel Henry wrote: ======= On Tuesday 10 January 2006 22:27, Garett Shulman wrote: > Hello, perhaps this rediculous and non-sensical... I have an audio > application outputing sound to the jack input client > alsa_pcm:playback_1. This is a physical playback device on a soundcard. > In addition to playing this back out of the sound card I would also like > to record it to a wav file on the hard drive. Does anybody have any > ideas for doing this. Perhaps a third jack client that has an input and > an output and just writes anything from the input to the output. Then I > could connect the audio application to the input and alsa_pcm:playback_1 > and a recording application to the output. I guess ecasound could do > this pretty easily. Is this the best way to acomplish the goal? There > isn't any sort of 'loopback' output for jack input clients is there? > Thanks! -Garett Hi Garett. Jack Time Machine will also record whats being played and save it as a .wav to your /home/user directory if thats as much as you want. If you decide to use it you will have to change the command on the desktop link to application to: /usr/bin/timemachine -f wav , otherwise it saves it as a bit of an obscure file format as default. Also there was no icon in Kmenu on Fedora. The icon is in /usr/share/timemachine/pixmaps. Nigel. From shulmang at colorado.edu Tue Jan 10 17:10:53 2006 From: shulmang at colorado.edu (Garett Shulman) Date: Tue Jan 10 17:11:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <200601102300.21837.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> <20060110224740.5bea84aa@mango.fruits.de> <200601102300.21837.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <43C430ED.4060706@colorado.edu> Perfect. Thanks for the suggestions. -Garett Nigel Henry wrote: >On Tuesday 10 January 2006 22:47, Florian Schmidt wrote: > > >>On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:27:08 -0700 >> >>Garett Shulman wrote: >> >> >>>Hello, perhaps this rediculous and non-sensical... I have an audio >>>application outputing sound to the jack input client >>>alsa_pcm:playback_1. This is a physical playback device on a soundcard. >>>In addition to playing this back out of the sound card I would also like >>>to record it to a wav file on the hard drive. Does anybody have any >>>ideas for doing this. Perhaps a third jack client that has an input and >>>an output and just writes anything from the input to the output. >>> >>> >>timemachine >> >>just connect the apps output to the timemachine inputs AND the >>alsa_pcm:playback ports. >> >>Flo >> >> > >Hi Florian. Yes . I'm sorry about that. I forgot the bit about connecting the >music app to timemachine in Qjackctls audio connection. Oops. Nigel. > > From dubphil at free.fr Tue Jan 10 18:18:36 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Tue Jan 10 17:19:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <200601110114.27114@goldspace.net> References: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> <200601102251.34762.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200601110114.27114@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <20060110231836.GA1346@migratis.net> On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 01:14:27AM +0300, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: > The timemachine's level meter doesn't show db values (or - is it so > for me only :-)). Is there stand-alone jack-enabled level-meter with > peak-measurement capabilities? > IMHO the best so far : ecasignalview Regards Philippe From ce at christeck.de Tue Jan 10 17:35:30 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Jan 10 17:33:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <200601110114.27114@goldspace.net> References: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> <200601102251.34762.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200601110114.27114@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <200601102335.30891.ce@christeck.de> > Is there stand-alone jack-enabled level-meter with > peak-measurement capabilities? maybe meterbridge is for you. Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Tue Jan 10 17:36:23 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Jan 10 17:34:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <20060110224740.5bea84aa@mango.fruits.de> References: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> <20060110224740.5bea84aa@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <200601102336.23083.ce@christeck.de> > timemachine or qarecord --jack Best regards ce From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue Jan 10 17:42:38 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue Jan 10 17:42:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <43C430ED.4060706@colorado.edu> References: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> <200601102300.21837.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <43C430ED.4060706@colorado.edu> Message-ID: <200601102342.38035.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Tuesday 10 January 2006 23:10, Garett Shulman wrote: > Perfect. Thanks for the suggestions. -Garett Hi Garett. Another nice app for recording and also playback is mhWaveEdit from. https://gna.org/projects/mhwaveedit/ . It sets up the audio link automatically in Qjackctl, and not only records, but you can import mp3's and save them in .ogg, and do lots of other stuff with it. It's only available as a tarball but is no problem to install. the files it needs are libsamplerate-dev, libsndfile-dev, and if you don't have gtk2 you need to add after ./configure, the following. ./configure --disable-gtk2. It's worth a look, and has a nice waveform display. All the best. Nigel, and enjoy your recording. > > Nigel Henry wrote: > >On Tuesday 10 January 2006 22:47, Florian Schmidt wrote: > >>On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:27:08 -0700 > >> > >>Garett Shulman wrote: > >>>Hello, perhaps this rediculous and non-sensical... I have an audio > >>>application outputing sound to the jack input client > >>>alsa_pcm:playback_1. This is a physical playback device on a soundcard. > >>>In addition to playing this back out of the sound card I would also like > >>>to record it to a wav file on the hard drive. Does anybody have any > >>>ideas for doing this. Perhaps a third jack client that has an input and > >>>an output and just writes anything from the input to the output. > >> > >>timemachine > >> > >>just connect the apps output to the timemachine inputs AND the > >>alsa_pcm:playback ports. > >> > >>Flo > > > >Hi Florian. Yes . I'm sorry about that. I forgot the bit about connecting > > the music app to timemachine in Qjackctls audio connection. Oops. Nigel. From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Tue Jan 10 17:46:10 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Tue Jan 10 17:46:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <20060110220032.CFD0D157F75@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060110220032.CFD0D157F75@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Florian Schmidt: > On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:27:08 -0700 > Garett Shulman wrote: > >> Hello, perhaps this rediculous and non-sensical... I have an audio >> application outputing sound to the jack input client >> alsa_pcm:playback_1. This is a physical playback device on a soundcard. >> In addition to playing this back out of the sound card I would also like >> to record it to a wav file on the hard drive. Does anybody have any >> ideas for doing this. Perhaps a third jack client that has an input and >> an output and just writes anything from the input to the output. > > timemachine > > just connect the apps output to the timemachine inputs AND the > alsa_pcm:playback ports. > Hmpfh, well, as I have been trying to point out some times already, timemachine is a program for capturing what you might have thought you could use, while programs such as ardour, jackrec or jack_capture are programs for capturing what are sure you want to use. timemachine is great, but it doesn't seem to me like anyone understand its purpose(!)... (timemachine captures x time of sound before pressing record, a great idea, but its for a little bit different purpose than this). So, to my point, which (of course) was mostly to promote my own program: Use jack_capture, http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src . It does exactly what you want, and as simple as possible. -- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jan 10 17:48:53 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jan 10 17:49:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <200601102342.38035.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> <200601102300.21837.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <43C430ED.4060706@colorado.edu> <200601102342.38035.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <1136933333.2007.86.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 23:42 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > and if you don't have gtk2 you need to add > after ./configure, the following. > ./configure --disable-gtk2. Gack, retch, are there still systems out there where only GTK1 is available? If you don't have GTK2 I highly recommend to install it, once you get used to it you will want to vomit at the sight of a GTK1 app. FWIW Ubuntu Dapper finally seems to have purged all GTK1 apps from the basic desktop (mplayer was the last holdout but has finally been fixed). Lee From a at gaydenko.com Tue Jan 10 17:56:40 2006 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Tue Jan 10 17:50:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <200601102336.23083.ce@christeck.de> References: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> <20060110224740.5bea84aa@mango.fruits.de> <200601102336.23083.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200601110156.40964@goldspace.net> Thanks, probably it is the most sutable for me. ======= On Wednesday 11 January 2006 01:36, Christoph Eckert wrote: ======= > timemachine or qarecord --jack Best regards ce From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue Jan 10 18:11:41 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue Jan 10 18:11:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <200601102335.30891.ce@christeck.de> References: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> <200601110114.27114@goldspace.net> <200601102335.30891.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200601110011.41712.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Tuesday 10 January 2006 23:35, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > Is there stand-alone jack-enabled level-meter with > > peak-measurement capabilities? > > maybe meterbridge is for you. > > > Best regards > > > ce Hi Christoph. I agree. I installed it on my Debian Sarge/Etch, (sort of experimental install) and it works fine. You can set up multiple versions of it, but have to play about with the wiring in Qjackctl a bit. Sadly it's trashed at the moment. I think it's to do with Debian testing upgrades, which has trashed a few of my music apps. I still have 2 instances of Debian Sarge, and they are ok. I'll have to put meterbridge on them, and I really like those traditional VU meters. Nigel. BTW. You've just prompted me to run emerge sync and update my Gentoo install. Sorry if this is a bit OT. From strombrg at dcs.nac.uci.edu Tue Jan 10 18:15:19 2006 From: strombrg at dcs.nac.uci.edu (Dan Stromberg) Date: Tue Jan 10 18:15:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] breaking up large files? Message-ID: <1136934920.19259.132.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> What's your favorite GUI app for breaking up large audio files? What's your favorite scriptable command line app for breaking up large audio files? I have a bunch of IMA ADPCM .wav files that I want to burn to CD, but a number of the more interesting ones are too large to burn to a single CD. Thanks! From ix at replic.net Tue Jan 10 18:18:29 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Tue Jan 10 18:18:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] breaking up large files? In-Reply-To: <1136934920.19259.132.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> References: <1136934920.19259.132.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> Message-ID: <20060110231829.GA21439@replic.net> > What's your favorite GUI app for breaking up large audio files? > > What's your favorite scriptable command line app for breaking up large > audio files? although i havent used it, i'm going to guess that ecawave/ecasound would be perfect for this. another one is sox, and yet another is the afsp series of utilities.. > > I have a bunch of IMA ADPCM .wav files that I want to burn to CD, but a > number of the more interesting ones are too large to burn to a single From carotinobg at yahoo.it Tue Jan 10 18:31:17 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Tue Jan 10 18:26:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Xi instruments In-Reply-To: <20060111062547.32aa63c2.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> <200601101341.03640.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20060111062547.32aa63c2.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <200601110031.17174.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 20:25, marted? 10 gennaio 2006, Erik de Castro Lopo ha scritto: > Soundtracker uses XI instruments: > > http://www.soundtracker.org/ Yes I know it, but I'm not enthusiastic about using a dismissed software; besides, it used to run well, but now it gives me this error when I try to start it: *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption: 0x082dbdc8 *** Abortito who knows? > > And libsndfile reads/writes XI files: > > http://www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile/ > > In the very near future, you will also be able to read/write the > instrument loop points etc. I'm waiting for such a future:) So, other question: which kind of sampled instrument format do you use normally? Thanks! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: chiama da PC a telefono a tariffe esclusive http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Tue Jan 10 18:36:03 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Tue Jan 10 18:36:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: recording jack input In-Reply-To: <20060110231153.1642415B01C@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060110231153.1642415B01C@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: > > The timemachine's level meter doesn't show db values (or - is it so > for me only :-)). Is there stand-alone jack-enabled level-meter with > peak-measurement capabilities? > Well, if you record to floating point wav file, you shouldn't really need peak-peasurement... If its too loud (or too quite), you edit the file in a sound-editor afterwards, without losing quality... (both timemachine and jack_capture use float format by default) Well, I guess it can be handy anyway to have that though. (It could actually be a useful extension for qjackctl...) -- From strombrg at dcs.nac.uci.edu Tue Jan 10 18:38:37 2006 From: strombrg at dcs.nac.uci.edu (Dan Stromberg) Date: Tue Jan 10 18:39:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Xi instruments In-Reply-To: <200601110031.17174.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> <200601101341.03640.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20060111062547.32aa63c2.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <200601110031.17174.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <1136936317.19259.137.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 00:31 +0100, Carotinho wrote: > Hi! > > Alle 20:25, marted? 10 gennaio 2006, Erik de Castro Lopo ha scritto: > > Soundtracker uses XI instruments: > > > > http://www.soundtracker.org/ > > Yes I know it, but I'm not enthusiastic about using a dismissed software; > besides, it used to run well, but now it gives me this error when I try to > start it: > *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption: 0x082dbdc8 *** > Abortito > > who knows? I had much the same problem with jpilot, until: #!/usr/bin/env bash #strombrg@blee:~/src/pilot-link/0.12.0-pre4$ /usr/local/pilot-link-0.12.0-pre4/bin/jpilot #*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x081944e0 *** #Aborted #strombrg@blee:~/src/pilot-link/0.12.0-pre4$ export MALLOC_CHECK_=1 #strombrg@blee:~/src/pilot-link/0.12.0-pre4$ /usr/local/pilot-link-0.12.0-pre4/bin/jpilot #malloc: using debugging hooks #removing stale pidfile #*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x081ef5b0 *** #*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x081da1c8 *** export MALLOC_CHECK_=1 /usr/local/pilot-link-0.12.0-pre4/bin/jpilot "$@" strombrg@blee:~/bin$ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jan 10 18:46:26 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jan 10 18:46:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Xi instruments In-Reply-To: <1136936317.19259.137.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> <200601101341.03640.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20060111062547.32aa63c2.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <200601110031.17174.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <1136936317.19259.137.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> Message-ID: <1136936787.2007.93.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 15:38 -0800, Dan Stromberg wrote: > On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 00:31 +0100, Carotinho wrote: > > Hi! > > > > Alle 20:25, marted? 10 gennaio 2006, Erik de Castro Lopo ha scritto: > > > Soundtracker uses XI instruments: > > > > > > http://www.soundtracker.org/ > > > > Yes I know it, but I'm not enthusiastic about using a dismissed software; > > besides, it used to run well, but now it gives me this error when I try to > > start it: > > *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption: 0x082dbdc8 *** > > Abortito > > > > who knows? > > I had much the same problem with jpilot, until: > > #!/usr/bin/env bash > > #strombrg@blee:~/src/pilot-link/0.12.0-pre4$ /usr/local/pilot-link-0.12.0-pre4/bin/jpilot > #*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x081944e0 *** > #Aborted > #strombrg@blee:~/src/pilot-link/0.12.0-pre4$ export MALLOC_CHECK_=1 > #strombrg@blee:~/src/pilot-link/0.12.0-pre4$ /usr/local/pilot-link-0.12.0-pre4/bin/jpilot > #malloc: using debugging hooks > #removing stale pidfile > #*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x081ef5b0 *** > #*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x081da1c8 *** > > export MALLOC_CHECK_=1 > /usr/local/pilot-link-0.12.0-pre4/bin/jpilot "$@" > > strombrg@blee:~/bin$ Assuming you reported these problems to the developers, were they able to help? Lee From strombrg at dcs.nac.uci.edu Tue Jan 10 18:59:08 2006 From: strombrg at dcs.nac.uci.edu (Dan Stromberg) Date: Tue Jan 10 18:59:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Xi instruments In-Reply-To: <1136936787.2007.93.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> <200601101341.03640.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20060111062547.32aa63c2.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <200601110031.17174.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <1136936317.19259.137.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> <1136936787.2007.93.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1136937548.19259.145.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 18:46 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 15:38 -0800, Dan Stromberg wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 00:31 +0100, Carotinho wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > > > Alle 20:25, marted? 10 gennaio 2006, Erik de Castro Lopo ha scritto: > > > > Soundtracker uses XI instruments: > > > > > > > > http://www.soundtracker.org/ > > > > > > Yes I know it, but I'm not enthusiastic about using a dismissed software; > > > besides, it used to run well, but now it gives me this error when I try to > > > start it: > > > *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption: 0x082dbdc8 *** > > > Abortito > > > > > > who knows? > > > > I had much the same problem with jpilot, until: > > > > #!/usr/bin/env bash > > > > #strombrg@blee:~/src/pilot-link/0.12.0-pre4$ /usr/local/pilot-link-0.12.0-pre4/bin/jpilot > > #*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x081944e0 *** > > #Aborted > > #strombrg@blee:~/src/pilot-link/0.12.0-pre4$ export MALLOC_CHECK_=1 > > #strombrg@blee:~/src/pilot-link/0.12.0-pre4$ /usr/local/pilot-link-0.12.0-pre4/bin/jpilot > > #malloc: using debugging hooks > > #removing stale pidfile > > #*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x081ef5b0 *** > > #*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x081da1c8 *** > > > > export MALLOC_CHECK_=1 > > /usr/local/pilot-link-0.12.0-pre4/bin/jpilot "$@" > > > > strombrg@blee:~/bin$ > > Assuming you reported these problems to the developers, were they able > to help? > > Lee I did not report them. From johnmulholland at fastmail.fm Tue Jan 10 21:52:54 2006 From: johnmulholland at fastmail.fm (John Mulholland) Date: Tue Jan 10 21:53:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Free Proyect starting In-Reply-To: <311b5a1a0511281126u19d368ben@mail.gmail.com> References: <311b5a1a0511281126u19d368ben@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C47306.4020209@fastmail.fm> >I'm interested on to run ProTools in Linx ( like a good sound >technician student.. ), if u know some interesting link, make me know >it, I need more informaton first... ( I'm like a robot... XDD ) > > I have been told by a director at DigiDesign that ProTools will never be open source friendly. They have a pool of developers who custom build, and that is the way it will always continue. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jan 10 22:04:06 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jan 10 22:04:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Free Proyect starting In-Reply-To: <43C47306.4020209@fastmail.fm> References: <311b5a1a0511281126u19d368ben@mail.gmail.com> <43C47306.4020209@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <1136948647.2007.141.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 02:52 +0000, John Mulholland wrote: > >I'm interested on to run ProTools in Linx ( like a good sound > >technician student.. ), if u know some interesting link, make me know > >it, I need more informaton first... ( I'm like a robot... XDD ) > > > > > I have been told by a director at DigiDesign that ProTools will never be > open source friendly. They have a pool of developers who custom build, > and that is the way it will always continue. > None of these marketing-driven hardware/software companies will ever be open source friendly, it's a threat to their business model. Open drivers make it impossible for your marketing department to lie about the capabilities of the hardware. For example, google for "Fraudigy". Fortunately it does not matter as we have Ardour. http://www.ardour.org Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jan 10 22:06:58 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jan 10 22:07:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Free Proyect starting In-Reply-To: <43C47306.4020209@fastmail.fm> References: <311b5a1a0511281126u19d368ben@mail.gmail.com> <43C47306.4020209@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <1136948818.2007.145.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 02:52 +0000, John Mulholland wrote: > >I'm interested on to run ProTools in Linx ( like a good sound > >technician student.. ), if u know some interesting link, make me know > >it, I need more informaton first... ( I'm like a robot... XDD ) > > > > > I have been told by a director at DigiDesign that ProTools will never be > open source friendly. They have a pool of developers who custom build, > and that is the way it will always continue. Bwahahahaha, forget googling for "Fraudigy", it just turns up a bunch of circa 1991 Usenet complaints about the Prodigy online service. I was referring to a case where Creative lied about the capabilities of the Audigy 1 and was sued for it and lost (well they settled anyway). Lee From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Tue Jan 10 22:08:13 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Tue Jan 10 22:08:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Xi instruments In-Reply-To: <20060111030421.274FF16079E@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060111030421.274FF16079E@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Carotinho: > > Hi! > > Alle 20:25, marted? 10 gennaio 2006, Erik de Castro Lopo ha scritto: >> Soundtracker uses XI instruments: >> >> http://www.soundtracker.org/ > > Yes I know it, but I'm not enthusiastic about using a dismissed software; > besides, it used to run well, but now it gives me this error when I try to > start it: > *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption: 0x082dbdc8 *** > Abortito > > who knows? > Do you have gcc32 on your system? In case, try compiling soundtracker with that one. In case not, get an older version of gcc. -- From strombrg at dcs.nac.uci.edu Tue Jan 10 23:10:08 2006 From: strombrg at dcs.nac.uci.edu (Dan Stromberg) Date: Tue Jan 10 23:10:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] breaking up large files? In-Reply-To: <20060110231829.GA21439@replic.net> References: <1136934920.19259.132.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> <20060110231829.GA21439@replic.net> Message-ID: <1136952609.19259.186.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 23:18 +0000, cdr wrote: > > What's your favorite GUI app for breaking up large audio files? > > > > What's your favorite scriptable command line app for breaking up large > > audio files? > > although i havent used it, i'm going to guess that ecawave/ecasound > would be perfect for this. another one is sox, and yet another is the > afsp series of utilities.. I checked out: 1) ecawave - seems no longer supported 2) sox - the manual page doesn't seem to have anything about splitting? 3) afsp - seems the top google hits are dead links I didn't look into the relationship between ecawave and ecasound - is ecasound perhaps a maintained version of ecawave? Anyway, I built a copy of audacity, which seemed fine for splitting a file into two parts, but it'd still be nice to have some sort of program that can automatically split an 8 hour recording into CD-sized chunks. Thanks! > > I have a bunch of IMA ADPCM .wav files that I want to burn to CD, but a > > number of the more interesting ones are too large to burn to a single > From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Wed Jan 11 02:25:36 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Wed Jan 11 02:25:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Xi instruments In-Reply-To: <200601110031.17174.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> <200601101341.03640.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20060111062547.32aa63c2.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <200601110031.17174.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <20060111182536.07e73c35.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Carotinho wrote: > Hi! > > Alle 20:25, marted? 10 gennaio 2006, Erik de Castro Lopo ha scritto: > > Soundtracker uses XI instruments: > > > > http://www.soundtracker.org/ > > Yes I know it, but I'm not enthusiastic about using a dismissed software; Sorry, what do you mean by "dismissed software"? > besides, it used to run well, but now it gives me this error when I try to > start it: > *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption: 0x082dbdc8 *** Is your version up to date with the soutracker web site? If you can reproduce the problem I'm sure it will be fixed. > > And libsndfile reads/writes XI files: > > > > http://www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile/ > > > > In the very near future, you will also be able to read/write the > > instrument loop points etc. > > I'm waiting for such a future:) > > So, other question: which kind of sampled instrument format do you use > normally? AIFF and WAV also support instrument data and that is working in the current libsndfile pre-release available here: http://www.mega-nerd.com/tmp/ Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ The main confusion about C++ is that its practitioners think it is simultaneously a high and low level language when in reality it is good at neither. From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Wed Jan 11 02:27:32 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Wed Jan 11 02:27:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Xi instruments In-Reply-To: <1136937548.19259.145.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> <200601101341.03640.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20060111062547.32aa63c2.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <200601110031.17174.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <1136936317.19259.137.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> <1136936787.2007.93.camel@mindpipe> <1136937548.19259.145.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> Message-ID: <20060111182732.402cc804.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Dan Stromberg wrote: > On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 18:46 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > Assuming you reported these problems to the developers, were they able > > to help? > > > > Lee > > I did not report them. As a developer I have to ask you to please report all problems you see with my software especially really horrid suff like this. I assume most other developers feel the same way. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Dar al-Harb : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_al-Harb From ciccolix at tiscalinet.it Wed Jan 11 04:01:59 2006 From: ciccolix at tiscalinet.it (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lazzaro_Nicol=F2_Ciccolella?=) Date: Wed Jan 11 03:07:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] please ignore In-Reply-To: <200601101430.29163.smoak@mis.net> References: <200601101430.29163.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <43C4C987.7010402@tiscalinet.it> apologize, it is a mail test From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Jan 11 04:18:50 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Jan 11 04:16:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: more information - Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Josh, now that's good news! I hear from a friend he installed Ubuntu on an iBook and all the extra Macintosh Jazz like little lights and sleep and everything worked out of the box. So I'd be looking forward to seeing Ubuntu rock the world! Thanks for sharing, Carlo PS: I'm using DeMuDi which is Debian-based and really nice, but the desktop needed a lot of work until it was where I wanted it to be, and sleep, etc. do not work yet. From ivalladt at punkass.com Wed Jan 11 04:28:47 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Wed Jan 11 04:28:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Free Proyect starting In-Reply-To: <1136948647.2007.141.camel@mindpipe> References: <311b5a1a0511281126u19d368ben@mail.gmail.com> <43C47306.4020209@fastmail.fm> <1136948647.2007.141.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060111092846.GB2764@spma33> Lee Revell escribe: > On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 02:52 +0000, John Mulholland wrote: > > >I'm interested on to run ProTools in Linx ( like a good sound > > >technician student.. ), if u know some interesting link, make me know > > >it, I need more informaton first... ( I'm like a robot... XDD ) > > > > > > > > I have been told by a director at DigiDesign that ProTools will never be > > open source friendly. They have a pool of developers who custom build, > > and that is the way it will always continue. > > > > None of these marketing-driven hardware/software companies will ever be > open source friendly, it's a threat to their business model. Open > drivers make it impossible for your marketing department to lie about > the capabilities of the hardware. For example, google for "Fraudigy". Hopefully not buying that hardware will end up being the real threat to that business model. Not meaning that Digidesign hardware isn't top class, of course... Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060111/1a1f466b/attachment.bin From emillo at libero.it Wed Jan 11 04:41:25 2006 From: emillo at libero.it (Emiliano Grilli) Date: Wed Jan 11 04:44:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Xi instruments In-Reply-To: <20060111182536.07e73c35.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> <200601101341.03640.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20060111062547.32aa63c2.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <200601110031.17174.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20060111182536.07e73c35.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <20060111094125.GA26180@emillo.net> mercoled?, 11 gennaio 2006 alle 18:25:36, Erik de Castro Lopo ha scritto: > Carotinho wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > Alle 20:25, marted? 10 gennaio 2006, Erik de Castro Lopo ha scritto: > > > Soundtracker uses XI instruments: > > > > > > http://www.soundtracker.org/ > > > > Yes I know it, but I'm not enthusiastic about using a dismissed software; > > Sorry, what do you mean by "dismissed software"? He probably refers to the fact that the main developer does not mantain the program anymore. However there is a guy (Yury Aliaev) who contributed bugfixes and who's writing a gtk2 port, so the project isn't dead. The gtk2 port can be found here: http://metamorph0sis.nm.ru/ I had a great time with soundtracker and used it a lot in the past, but the fact that it doesn't support jack (at least not reliably) kind of discourage its use... I really don't grasp cheesetracker as I come from fast tracker and you know, impulse tracker vs. fast tracker was a sort of religious war like emacs vs. vi :) soundtracker is a great program, and I sincerely hope one day it would gain jack support and jack_transport features. This would put it back "on the road again" in my setup. Trackers may seem a thing of the past, but as James Shuttleworth has repeatedly proved on this list (BTW great music, James) they can be great tools for music creation. Cheers, -- Emiliano Grilli Linux user #209089 http://www.emillo.net From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Jan 11 07:45:59 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Jan 11 07:24:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Xi instruments In-Reply-To: <20060111094125.GA26180@emillo.net> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> <200601101341.03640.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20060111062547.32aa63c2.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <200601110031.17174.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20060111182536.07e73c35.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060111094125.GA26180@emillo.net> Message-ID: <43C4FE07.7060802@woh.rr.com> Emiliano Grilli wrote: >mercoled?, 11 gennaio 2006 alle 18:25:36, Erik de Castro Lopo ha scritto: > > >>Sorry, what do you mean by "dismissed software"? >> >> > >He probably refers to the fact that the main developer does not mantain >the program anymore. However there is a guy (Yury Aliaev) who >contributed bugfixes and who's writing a gtk2 port, so the project isn't >dead. The gtk2 port can be found here: http://metamorph0sis.nm.ru/ > > That link currently reports a temporary error. I'm happy to hear that Yury is continuing ST's development. >I had a great time with soundtracker and used it a lot in the past, but >the fact that it doesn't support jack (at least not reliably) kind of >discourage its use... > > Kai Vehmanen wrote a patch that gave it rudimentary JACK capability, but I think the patch won't work with current JACK versions. Don't quote me on that, I haven't tested it recently. Maybe Kai can be persuaded to update it for Yury ? >I really don't grasp cheesetracker as I come from fast tracker and you >know, impulse tracker vs. fast tracker was a sort of religious war like >emacs vs. vi :) > > Happily, I can use both. CT is a very nice tracker, but like yourself I simply prefer ST. However, CT does have some cool features I'd like to see in ST. >soundtracker is a great program, and I sincerely hope one day it would gain >jack support and jack_transport features. This would put it back "on the >road again" in my setup. > > ++agree. >Trackers may seem a thing of the past, but as James Shuttleworth has >repeatedly proved on this list (BTW great music, James) they can be >great tools for music creation. > > Tracking may be in partial eclipse on Linux, but it's definitely alive and kicking elsewhere. Has anyone else on this list taken a look at SkaleTracker ? I like it but the Linux version is incomplete at this point. >Cheers, > > Ciao ! :) dp From tito at rumford.de Wed Jan 11 07:26:13 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Wed Jan 11 07:25:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <200601110114.27114@goldspace.net> References: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> <200601102251.34762.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200601110114.27114@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <200601111326.13320.tito@rumford.de> Andrew Gaydenko : > The timemachine's level meter doesn't show db values (or - is it so > for me only :-)). Is there stand-alone jack-enabled level-meter with > peak-measurement capabilities? For the record: Timemachine meters the incoming audio alright. So you have no incoming audio I guess. Wolfgang From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Jan 11 07:39:32 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Jan 11 07:36:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Free Proyect starting In-Reply-To: <20060111092846.GB2764@spma33> References: <311b5a1a0511281126u19d368ben@mail.gmail.com> <43C47306.4020209@fastmail.fm> <1136948647.2007.141.camel@mindpipe> <20060111092846.GB2764@spma33> Message-ID: <1136983173.11947.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Not meaning that Digidesign hardware isn't top class, of course... except that it really isn't. their A/D and D/A isn't at the quality of Apogee's equipment, for a start (although to be fair, what is?). the main thing you get for buying Digi h/w is their TDM-supporting DSP processing architecture. not much else. --p From a at gaydenko.com Wed Jan 11 08:02:52 2006 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Wed Jan 11 07:56:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <200601111326.13320.tito@rumford.de> References: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> <200601110114.27114@goldspace.net> <200601111326.13320.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <200601111602.52097@goldspace.net> The thing is, when I make timemachine's window wider, db-values disapperas. Meter (green bar) itself (as a recording) works without problem. ======= On Wednesday 11 January 2006 15:26, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: ======= Andrew Gaydenko : > The timemachine's level meter doesn't show db values (or - is it so > for me only :-)). Is there stand-alone jack-enabled level-meter with > peak-measurement capabilities? For the record: Timemachine meters the incoming audio alright. So you have no incoming audio I guess. Wolfgang From emillo at libero.it Wed Jan 11 08:22:58 2006 From: emillo at libero.it (Emiliano Grilli) Date: Wed Jan 11 08:25:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Xi instruments In-Reply-To: <43C4FE07.7060802@woh.rr.com> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> <200601101341.03640.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20060111062547.32aa63c2.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <200601110031.17174.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20060111182536.07e73c35.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060111094125.GA26180@emillo.net> <43C4FE07.7060802@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060111132258.GA28995@emillo.net> CC'ed to the soundtracker-discuss ml mercoled?, 11 gennaio 2006 alle 07:45:59, Dave Phillips ha scritto: > >>Sorry, what do you mean by "dismissed software"? > >> > >> > > > >He probably refers to the fact that the main developer does not mantain > >the program anymore. However there is a guy (Yury Aliaev) who > >contributed bugfixes and who's writing a gtk2 port, so the project isn't > >dead. The gtk2 port can be found here: http://metamorph0sis.nm.ru/ > > > > > That link currently reports a temporary error. Here it works... > I'm happy to hear that Yury is continuing ST's development. The gtk2 version is working, I have managed to crash it a couple of times but overall the port seem in good status. > >I had a great time with soundtracker and used it a lot in the past, but > >the fact that it doesn't support jack (at least not reliably) kind of > >discourage its use... > > > > > Kai Vehmanen wrote a patch that gave it rudimentary JACK capability, but > I think the patch won't work with current JACK versions. Don't quote me > on that, I haven't tested it recently. Maybe Kai can be persuaded to > update it for Yury ? Yes I remember that patch, I used it for a while and it had also basic jack_transport capability. I saw that the debian mantainer dropped the jack support for ST a while ago, so I guess you're right about JACK versions. I can't remember if Kai's patch was only for adding jack_transport or for jack support (maybe jack output is already on original ST sources). > >I really don't grasp cheesetracker as I come from fast tracker and you > >know, impulse tracker vs. fast tracker was a sort of religious war like > >emacs vs. vi :) > > > > > Happily, I can use both. CT is a very nice tracker, but like yourself I > simply prefer ST. However, CT does have some cool features I'd like to > see in ST. > >soundtracker is a great program, and I sincerely hope one day it would gain > >jack support and jack_transport features. This would put it back "on the > >road again" in my setup. > > > > > ++agree. > > >Trackers may seem a thing of the past, but as James Shuttleworth has > >repeatedly proved on this list (BTW great music, James) they can be > >great tools for music creation. > > > > > Tracking may be in partial eclipse on Linux, but it's definitely alive > and kicking elsewhere. > > Has anyone else on this list taken a look at SkaleTracker ? I like it > but the Linux version is incomplete at this point. I've had a quick look at skaletracker a year ago or so, it was looking good but a little slow. Unfortunately, the site states that "We have created this program to you all. This will be free (NO CHARGE) to use for the Scene. (NOT OPEN SOURCE)" So, it is freeware but not free. I'm not so rigid in this respect, but if you look at what happened to buzz (another great program IMHO): buzz can run fairly well under wine, but for sure there will be no further development on it, since the author lost the sources after a disk crash. If the sources were published, this wouldn't be occurred. > >Cheers, > > > > > Ciao ! :) > > dp > Ciao PS: hope to see you again at LAC2006 ;) -- Emiliano Grilli Linux user #209089 http://www.emillo.net From tito at rumford.de Wed Jan 11 08:43:47 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Wed Jan 11 08:43:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <200601111602.52097@goldspace.net> References: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> <200601111326.13320.tito@rumford.de> <200601111602.52097@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <200601111443.47668.tito@rumford.de> Andrew Gaydenko : > The thing is, when I make timemachine's window wider, db-values > disapperas. Meter (green bar) itself (as a recording) works without > problem. Ah, I misunderstood you. Happens here too when resizing which I never did. Your point in resizing is to get finer resolution, right? Seems to get borked along the way when computing the resized gtk widget. Wolfgang > ======= On Wednesday 11 January 2006 15:26, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > Andrew Gaydenko : > > The timemachine's level meter doesn't show db values (or - is it so > > for me only :-)). Is there stand-alone jack-enabled level-meter > > with peak-measurement capabilities? > > For the record: Timemachine meters the incoming audio alright. So you > have no incoming audio I guess. > > Wolfgang From a at gaydenko.com Wed Jan 11 08:56:08 2006 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Wed Jan 11 08:50:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <200601111443.47668.tito@rumford.de> References: <43C426AC.2070807@colorado.edu> <200601111602.52097@goldspace.net> <200601111443.47668.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <200601111656.08360@goldspace.net> Wolfgang, You are right, resolution is the aim. ======= On Wednesday 11 January 2006 16:43, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: ======= Andrew Gaydenko : > The thing is, when I make timemachine's window wider, db-values > disapperas. Meter (green bar) itself (as a recording) works without > problem. Ah, I misunderstood you. Happens here too when resizing which I never did. Your point in resizing is to get finer resolution, right? Seems to get borked along the way when computing the resized gtk widget. Wolfgang From emillo at libero.it Wed Jan 11 09:20:43 2006 From: emillo at libero.it (Emiliano Grilli) Date: Wed Jan 11 09:23:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] breaking up large files? In-Reply-To: <1136934920.19259.132.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> References: <1136934920.19259.132.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> Message-ID: <20060111142043.GA29488@emillo.net> marted?, 10 gennaio 2006 alle 15:15:19, Dan Stromberg ha scritto: > > What's your favorite GUI app for breaking up large audio files? * wavbreaker: http://huli.org/wavbreaker/ Unfortunately, no silence detection > What's your favorite scriptable command line app for breaking up large > audio files? * mp3splt: http://mp3splt.sourceforge.net Both CLI and GUI supports silence detection but only works with ogg and mp3 format (AFAIK) * ecasound: http://eca.cx , CLI only you can slice audiofiles with the "-t" (processing time) and "-y" (start time) switches expressed in seconds: ecasound -i:largefile.wav -t:4440 -o:first74min.wav ecasound -i:largefile.wav -y:4441 -o:remaining.wav > I have a bunch of IMA ADPCM .wav files that I want to burn to CD, but a > number of the more interesting ones are too large to burn to a single > CD. for adding track markers to cd: gcdmaster http://cdrdao.sourceforge.net/gcdmaster/index.html > Thanks! > HTH Ciao -- Emiliano Grilli Linux user #209089 http://www.emillo.net From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Jan 11 09:50:00 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Jan 11 09:28:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Xi instruments In-Reply-To: <20060111132258.GA28995@emillo.net> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> <200601101341.03640.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20060111062547.32aa63c2.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <200601110031.17174.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20060111182536.07e73c35.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060111094125.GA26180@emillo.net> <43C4FE07.7060802@woh.rr.com> <20060111132258.GA28995@emillo.net> Message-ID: <43C51B18.7060900@woh.rr.com> Emiliano Grilli wrote: >I've had a quick look at skaletracker a year ago or so, it was looking >good but a little slow. Unfortunately, the site states that > >"We have created this program to you all. This will be free (NO CHARGE) >to use for the Scene. (NOT OPEN SOURCE)" > >So, it is freeware but not free. I'm not so rigid in this respect, but >if you look at what happened to buzz (another great program IMHO): buzz >can run fairly well under wine, but for sure there will be no further >development on it, since the author lost the sources after a disk >crash. If the sources were published, this wouldn't be occurred. > > Of course I agree. However, please note that a very pro-Linux fellow is assisting baktery with Skale development on Linux. It is still possible that baktery will decide to make his sources open and freely available. >PS: hope to see you again at LAC2006 ;) > > I didn't submit a paper this year, and unless one of the journals wants me there as a reporter it's unlikely I'll attend. I'm not nearly so close to development now as I have been in past years, and since it is a developers conference I would be happy to see someone more deserving get a spot. LAC is a fantastic experience, I'll certainly miss it (and all my friends there), but I think it would be more valuable to someone actively developing Linux audio software. Best, dp From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Jan 11 09:35:19 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Jan 11 09:35:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi tuning control? In-Reply-To: <200601101430.29163.smoak@mis.net> References: <200601101430.29163.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <200601111435.20171.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 10 January 2006 19:30, M P Smoak was like: > Setup: older roland kbcontroller mkb-200 and SBlive w/soundfont; > works great for weekly practice group session, my solo practice, > ..., and I'm enjoying it and linux audio. > > But sometimes I need a pitch (tuning) slider; some way to easily > "tune" the keyboard to an out-of-tune recording, piano, etc. > (Years ago, I used win31/sb&roland-daughter-card and there was an > effects program that could tune. But it required use of computer > kb and mouse so it wasn't what I'd call easy.) Right now when > this need happens, I just quit playing kb and pick up my sax :>) > > I've never created a useful midi recording; I use it just for > a keyboard to play. (Recently bought the book for Rosegarden and > one these days, I hope ..) So I don't know much about midi ways > of controlling stuff. The mkb-200 has 2 sliders for volume > (lower and upper kb split), modulation (depth & risetime) > sliders, pitch-bend wheel which is also modulation on, and > buttons for stuff like channel, voice, after-touch, ... I have > now idea how any of these might be used, or if some other midi > device that I could buy, might give me a tuning slider. > > Is midi pitch tuning a part of any linux program like rosegarden, > or a synth program or ??? If so, do any not require computer kb > and mouse? > > Is there a command line way to do it? > > I've done a bit of googling on this without joy so far. Am I > missing something obvious, or am I the only one that runs into > the need to tune to someones out-of-tune instrument? No, you're not the only one. If you really want to do pitch adjustments to MIDI, you need to look at something like scala http://www.xs4all.nl/~huygensf/scala/ or at least figure out how to make microtonal adjustments to the pitch-bend controller. This is not really the correct way to go about it as MIDI is nothing more than a digital piano-roll, it only cares about the notes of the scale not the frequencies. That said, scala is a fascinating package if you're interested in microtonality. The only synth that does this properly is ZynAddSubFX http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net/ Zyn features global pitch adjustment as well as the possibility to reproduce any temperament. Works well with the temperament definitions from scala. Most external keyboards should be tuneable, my D10 has a 'master tune' setting, I would have thought your mkb-200 does somewhere too. Actually all softsynths _should_ be tuneable, but too many developers seem to assume that A=440Hz is the standard pitch and don't provide an easy way to change this. I'm beginning to regard pitch adjustment as a required feature. I'm thinking a couple of clearly worded feature requests might not go amiss here. There is also a LADSPA plugin - AM pitchshifter (amPitchshift, 1433), Pitch Scaler (pitchScale, 1193) or Higher Quality Pitch Scaler (pitchScaleHQ, 1194) are probably the ones you want. This way you could tune the recording to your keyboard. AFAIK getting a slider to do this would involve figuring out some way to hook up a MIDI controller so pitch bend is controlled by a slider rather than a sprung lever. Possibly not rocket science. I have never tried it. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Jan 11 10:02:40 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Jan 11 10:02:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: References: <20060110220032.CFD0D157F75@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200601111502.40516.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 10 January 2006 22:46, Kjetil S. Matheussen was like: > Hmpfh, well, as I have been trying to point out some times already, > timemachine is a program for capturing what you might have thought you > could use, while programs such as ardour, jackrec or jack_capture are > programs for capturing what are sure you want to use. timemachine is > great, but it doesn't seem to me like anyone understand its purpose(!)... > (timemachine captures x time of sound before pressing record, a great > idea, but its for a little bit different purpose than this). > > So, to my point, which (of course) was mostly to promote my own program: > Use jack_capture, http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src . It does exactly what > you want, and as simple as possible. I heard you. Up to this point I've been using timemachine for all audio captures - I can't use Ardour for recording soft sound sources due to CPU/Memory restrictions. Timemachine works fine for this, you just set the lead-in time to a relatively small amount. I like the 'One Big Button' design of the GUI :) My main reason for using timemachine is because it's on the menu and it works, I confess. The one limitation is that mostly I want the captures to be easily time-synched i.e start at 00:00:0000 and end at nn:nn:nnnn as audio dumps from Ardour and Hydrogen do by default. I've kind of assume that timemachine wasn't really built for this, so haven't bothered to look too hard. Would this be easy to set up using jack_capture? I want a big red button which does precisely this, I can make my own gui if need be, but Ideally I'd like to see a record button on qjackctl. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From S.W.Harris at ecs.soton.ac.uk Wed Jan 11 10:13:29 2006 From: S.W.Harris at ecs.soton.ac.uk (Steve Harris) Date: Wed Jan 11 10:13:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <200601111502.40516.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060110220032.CFD0D157F75@music.columbia.edu> <200601111502.40516.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060111151329.GP26293@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:02:40PM +0000, tim hall wrote: > My main reason for using timemachine is because it's on the menu and it works, > I confess. The one limitation is that mostly I want the captures to be easily > time-synched i.e start at 00:00:0000 and end at nn:nn:nnnn as audio dumps > from Ardour and Hydrogen do by default. I've kind of assume that timemachine > wasn't really built for this, so haven't bothered to look too hard. What does start at 00:00:0000 mean? I originally intended timemachine to be a simple recorder, that had the option to do the pre-record thing, but I never got round to adding a control to turn it off, and noone ever asked for it. - Steve From carotinobg at yahoo.it Tue Jan 10 19:14:33 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Wed Jan 11 10:16:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Xi instruments In-Reply-To: <1136936317.19259.137.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> <200601110031.17174.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <1136936317.19259.137.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> Message-ID: <200601110114.33314.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! > I had much the same problem with jpilot, until: > > #!/usr/bin/env bash > > #strombrg@blee:~/src/pilot-link/0.12.0-pre4$ > /usr/local/pilot-link-0.12.0-pre4/bin/jpilot #*** glibc detected *** double > free or corruption (fasttop): 0x081944e0 *** #Aborted > #strombrg@blee:~/src/pilot-link/0.12.0-pre4$ export MALLOC_CHECK_=1 > #strombrg@blee:~/src/pilot-link/0.12.0-pre4$ > /usr/local/pilot-link-0.12.0-pre4/bin/jpilot #malloc: using debugging hooks > #removing stale pidfile > #*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x081ef5b0 *** > #*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x081da1c8 *** > > export MALLOC_CHECK_=1 > /usr/local/pilot-link-0.12.0-pre4/bin/jpilot "$@" > > strombrg@blee:~/bin$ I discovered that if I run soundtracker as root, I get no more errors. But the malloc problem appears even if I chmod -s the executable, and remove the realtime-lsm module... I can't figure out other reasons why it worked up to Slack 10.1. Still, I'm not sure to be willing to use it...:) Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From a at gaydenko.com Wed Jan 11 10:36:53 2006 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Wed Jan 11 10:30:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <20060111151329.GP26293@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <20060110220032.CFD0D157F75@music.columbia.edu> <200601111502.40516.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <20060111151329.GP26293@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200601111836.53742@goldspace.net> Aha, Steve, you are here :-) Can you, please, comment disappearance of digits along a db scale when the timemachine's window is resized to be wider? ======= On Wednesday 11 January 2006 18:13, Steve Harris wrote: ======= On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:02:40PM +0000, tim hall wrote: > My main reason for using timemachine is because it's on the menu and it works, > I confess. The one limitation is that mostly I want the captures to be easily > time-synched i.e start at 00:00:0000 and end at nn:nn:nnnn as audio dumps > from Ardour and Hydrogen do by default. I've kind of assume that timemachine > wasn't really built for this, so haven't bothered to look too hard. What does start at 00:00:0000 mean? I originally intended timemachine to be a simple recorder, that had the option to do the pre-record thing, but I never got round to adding a control to turn it off, and noone ever asked for it. - Steve From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Jan 11 11:02:54 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Jan 11 11:03:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <20060111151329.GP26293@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <20060110220032.CFD0D157F75@music.columbia.edu> <200601111502.40516.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <20060111151329.GP26293@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200601111602.54814.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 11 January 2006 15:13, Steve Harris was like: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:02:40PM +0000, tim hall wrote: > > My main reason for using timemachine is because it's on the menu and it > > works, I confess. The one limitation is that mostly I want the captures > > to be easily time-synched i.e start at 00:00:0000 and end at nn:nn:nnnn > > as audio dumps from Ardour and Hydrogen do by default. I've kind of > > assume that timemachine wasn't really built for this, so haven't bothered > > to look too hard. > > What does start at 00:00:0000 mean? I originally intended timemachine to > be a simple recorder, that had the option to do the pre-record thing, but > I never got round to adding a control to turn it off, and noone ever asked > for it. Sorry, Steve. That was a bit vague. Basically I want the recording to start at Bar 1 and end precisely at the end of the last bar. I simply assumed timemachine wasn't intended to do that. So timemachine would need to sync to, say, Rosegarden via Jackd. Play is triggered by the big red button and stop is triggered by the end of the last bar. Can I make a feature request?-) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From S.W.Harris at ecs.soton.ac.uk Wed Jan 11 11:09:27 2006 From: S.W.Harris at ecs.soton.ac.uk (Steve Harris) Date: Wed Jan 11 11:09:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] recording jack input In-Reply-To: <200601111602.54814.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060110220032.CFD0D157F75@music.columbia.edu> <200601111502.40516.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <20060111151329.GP26293@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <200601111602.54814.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060111160927.GU26293@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 04:02:54PM +0000, tim hall wrote: > > What does start at 00:00:0000 mean? I originally intended timemachine to > > be a simple recorder, that had the option to do the pre-record thing, but > > I never got round to adding a control to turn it off, and noone ever asked > > for it. > > Sorry, Steve. That was a bit vague. Actually it made perfect sense, I was just being dense. > Basically I want the recording to start at Bar 1 and end precisely at the end > of the last bar. I simply assumed timemachine wasn't intended to do that. So > timemachine would need to sync to, say, Rosegarden via Jackd. Play is > triggered by the big red button and stop is triggered by the end of the last > bar. > > Can I make a feature request?-) Yeees, but its not likly to get implemented unless someone else requests it, or I get a patch :) - Steve From lau at kudla.org Wed Jan 11 11:48:51 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Jan 11 11:53:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Xi instruments In-Reply-To: <20060111094125.GA26180@emillo.net> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> <20060111182536.07e73c35.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060111094125.GA26180@emillo.net> Message-ID: <200601111148.52202.lau@kudla.org> On Wed January 11 2006 04:41, Emiliano Grilli wrote: > Trackers may seem a thing of the past, but as James What are people using nowadays to make pattern-based music, if not trackers? There sure is a lot of Linux-created music out there that sounds like it came from some tracker-like program. Rob From hanaghan at starband.net Wed Jan 11 12:03:13 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (hanaghan@starband.net) Date: Wed Jan 11 12:03:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a couple of volunteers for testing and possible website build /maintain... In-Reply-To: <200601111836.53742@goldspace.net> References: <20060110220032.CFD0D157F75@music.columbia.edu> <200601111502.40516.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <20060111151329.GP26293@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <200601111836.53742@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <22941.209.244.4.106.1136998993.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> Hi folks, I have been working on the new LiveCD for PCLOS (PClinuxOS) with Thac's rpms. I have been communicating with Thac about all of our needs to do this and maintain it. Also mainting the high level of stability that PClinuxOS can boast. Right now, we need to get a couple of testers that can test new packages and also someone who might be interested in building a website and maintaining it. I am working on server space at present with adequate bandwidth, etc thanks R~ From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 12:12:32 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Wed Jan 11 12:12:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a couple of volunteers for testing and possible website build /maintain... In-Reply-To: <22941.209.244.4.106.1136998993.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> Message-ID: <20060111171232.69303.qmail@web52610.mail.yahoo.com> Building the web site should be easy with e107 or JBoss Portal: e107 (php) Portal: http://e107.org/ e107 Resources: http://e107.org/ecommunity.php JBoss (Java) Portal: http://www.jboss.com/products/jbossportal -=cybersean3000=- --- hanaghan@starband.net wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have been working on the new LiveCD for PCLOS > (PClinuxOS) with Thac's > rpms. I have been communicating with Thac about all > of our needs to do > this and maintain it. Also mainting the high level > of stability that > PClinuxOS can boast. > > Right now, we need to get a couple of testers that > can test new packages > and also someone who might be interested in building > a website and > maintaining it. I am working on server space at > present with adequate > bandwidth, etc > > thanks > R~ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lconrad at laymusic.org Wed Jan 11 12:42:42 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Wed Jan 11 12:42:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] re: midi problems In-Reply-To: <200601091501.08340.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> (Nigel Henry's message of "Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:01:07 +0100") References: <200601081829.05568.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <874q4ens2f.fsf@laymusic.org> <200601091501.08340.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <87y81mwtil.fsf_-_@laymusic.org> >>>>> "NH" == Nigel Henry writes: (Taking this back on the list, since I have a new error message to report.) NH> Hi Laura. Ok. Here goes a bit of a shot in the dark. There a NH> couple of items in your lsmod which I think should be on the NH> hotplug blacklist. One is emu10k1_gp, which appears to an oss NH> module for a gameport. The other is, via82cxxx which is the NH> oss driver for your onboard soundcard. I too have this one in NH> my lsmod, (it appears my onboard soundcard is the same as NH> yours on my I-Friend machine) but as I have my onboard card NH> disabled with the jumpers it doesn't appear to be causing any NH> conflicts, and I don't have a snd-via82cxxx showing in lsmod NH> which sort of verifies that. NH> I have no idea if this is going to work, but it's worth a try. Reboot the NH> machine so that hotplug will not load the 2 added modules to the blacklist, NH> and try again, making sure that snd-emu10k1-synth, and the soundfont is NH> loaded. All the best. It turns out that adding the oss modules to the blacklist isn't enough; you also have to take them out of /etc/modules and /etc/modules. But I am now booting with no oss modules that I know about, including not the ones you mention. A nice side effect of all the reboots that it took to figure that out is that sound now comes up configured and enabled without my runing alsaconf and stuff. However, I still don't have MIDI. The only sound-related error message I see when I boot up is: root@serpent:/var/log# grep snd_seq syslog Jan 11 12:08:23 serpent modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting snd_seq_oss (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/sound/core/seq/oss/snd-seq-oss.ko): Device or resource busy This suggests to me that the modutils files written by something or other (certainly not me) are confused about what order to load things in. My (clearly not educated enough) guess would be that snd-seq-oss would have something to do with the oss emulation, which wouldn't be what aplaymidi would be using to play MIDI files, but of course, if my system is confused about this, who knows what else it might be confused about? So does anyone want to explain what this error message means, or make a new guess about why my system doesn't play MIDI files? -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From rtp405 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 13:01:50 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Wed Jan 11 13:01:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a couple of volunteers for testing and possible website build /maintain... In-Reply-To: <22941.209.244.4.106.1136998993.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> Message-ID: <20060111180150.46468.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- hanaghan@starband.net wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have been working on the new LiveCD for PCLOS > (PClinuxOS) with Thac's > rpms. I have been communicating with Thac about all > of our needs to do > this and maintain it. Also mainting the high level > of stability that > PClinuxOS can boast. > > Right now, we need to get a couple of testers that > can test new packages > and also someone who might be interested in building > a website and > maintaining it. I am working on server space at > present with adequate > bandwidth, etc You need space and bandwidth or already have it? Ron Parker > thanks > R~ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Wed Jan 11 10:22:47 2006 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Wed Jan 11 14:14:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Urgent: BIG bug into Musix 0.30, troubleshooting... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200601111622.47850.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Hi everybody Trouble: realtime module was not loaded at startup time by Musix 0.30 troubleshooting: cp /etc/rc5.d/backup/S15realtime /etc/rc5.d/ Thanks to Carlos Pino! On Wednesday 11 January 2006 16:08, Carlos Pino wrote: On Friday 11 November 2005 22:49, vcvz vcxzv wrote: > I see the 0.30 livecd has the echo drivers in the > /lib/modules/2.6.13-1-multimedia/alsa folder > but i think the problem is to use the multimedia kernel you have to > install it to the harddrive and do the grub or lilo thiing to choose > the multimedia off the harddrive install > > I posted a howto replace the knoppix livecd boot kernel and it would > be cool to replace the 2.6.11 knoppix default kernel with the > multimedia kernel so that we can use it by default but that will take > some doing. I have an echo mia card and i guess only way to get it > to work is to do a harddrive install of the livecd: > > it would also be really cool when the freebob drivers become more > usable to include those as well. > > Marcos any chance of replacing the knoppix 2.6.11 with the multimedia > kernel and modules? > > :)) > > _______________________________________________ > Musix GNU+Linux - www.musix.org.ar > Musix-users mailing list > Musix-users@lists.ourproject.org > http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/musix-users -- Marcos Guglielmetti(www.pc-musica.com.ar) Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Wed Jan 11 10:38:19 2006 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Wed Jan 11 14:30:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Urgent: BIG bug into Musix 0.30, troubleshooting... FIX In-Reply-To: <200601111622.47850.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> References: <200601111622.47850.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <200601111638.19321.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> On Wednesday 11 January 2006 16:22, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > Hi everybody > > > Trouble: realtime module was not loaded at startup time by Musix 0.30 > troubleshooting: > ln -s /etc/init.d/realtime /etc/rc5.d/S15realtime > > > Thanks to Carlos Pino! -- Marcos Guglielmetti(www.pc-musica.com.ar) Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From olivier at ricordeau.org Wed Jan 11 15:07:54 2006 From: olivier at ricordeau.org (Olivier Ricordeau) Date: Wed Jan 11 15:06:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Behringer FCB1010 foot controller In-Reply-To: <20060107182614.78227.qmail@web52614.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060107182614.78227.qmail@web52614.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43C5659A.6060202@ricordeau.org> Sean Edwards a ?crit : > Also consider joining us in the FCB1010 and FCB1010 > Sysex tool Yahoo groups for advice, documentation, > utilities and more: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/ > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010_sysex_tool/ > > -=cybersean3000=- Thanks a lot for your replies! Now I just need to find a cheap one... Cheers Olivier > --- Paul Davis wrote: > > >>On Sat, 2006-01-07 at 12:10 +0100, Olivier Ricordeau >>wrote: >> >>>Hi there, >>> >>>Thanks to Santa Claus' help, I have the >> >>possibility to buy some hardware >> >>>to make music with my linux box. >>> >>>Looking for a MIDI foot controller, I found the >> >>Behringer FCB1010. >> >>http://www.behringer.com/FCB1010/index.cfm?lang=ENG >> >>>I'd like to use it for two things: >>>* Real time effect control (creox, jack-rack, pd a >> >>bit later, stuffs >> >>>like that). I'm a guitar player and I'd like to >> >>use my linux box as an >> >>>effect rack. I'll use sooperlooper too, for >> >>sure... >> >>>* I'm planning to buy a MIDI master keyboard (the >> >>M-Audio Keystation Pro >> >>>88 looks awsome and it seems to work like a charm >> >>with ALSA). I'd like >> >>>to use the MIDI foot controller to control the >> >>keyboard too. >> >>>I found very few FCB1010/Linux feedback on the web >> >>(and in the list's >> >>>archives). I'm interested in hearing from people >> >>who have this pedal. >> >>>Some successful linux experiences? >>> >>>More generally speaking, does it all sound >> >>feasible? I mean, will >> >>>combining the FCB1010 and the M-Audio Keystation >> >>Pro 88 fit my needs >> >>>(real time effects/looper control + basic mixing >> >>possibilitie expected >> >>>from a master keyboard, a bunch of controls and a >> >>midi sequencer)? >> >>the FCB1010 works perfectly with linux - its a >>purely MIDI technology. I >>use it with sooperlooper and to provide foot >>controls for my 2 h/w >>synthesizers. >> >>my only bad experience was plugging my first FCB1010 >>into a socket in >>rotterdam. even though it has an IEC power socket, >>it absolutely is not >>equipped with a universal power supply. a large >>hum/buzz later, and my >>investment was destroyed by twice the voltage it was >>designed for :( >> >>do read the manual *very* carefully, even if you >>think you know all >>about what it does. i spent a long night getting >>more and more confused >>because i thought i already knew what it did; i was >>wrong. it did the >>right thing, but a little differently from my mental >>model. >> >>--p >> >> >> > > > > > > __________________________________________ > Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl.yahoo.com > > -- - *Olivier RICORDEAU* - olivier@ricordeau.org From t_w_ at freenet.de Wed Jan 11 16:08:14 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Wed Jan 11 16:08:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music material - Gnomes Message-ID: <20060111210814.GG11002@charly.SWORD> Hi! So I made a pure percussion track for Steve D - but also everyone else, who would like to use it as basement or for cutting up :) Full mix with a little reverb: http://ccmixter.org/people/thorwil/thorwil_-_Gnomes_full_percussion_track.ogg Single dry tracks are linked from http://ccmixter.org/media/files/thorwil/3566 I chose ccMixter because it is aimed at such things and provides visibility outside the lau/lad community. Sadly they have a filesize limit at 10 MB, otherwise the full mix would have been flac, too. An early version of this made someone on #lad think of gnomes moving stuff around and suddenly running away and hiding when the houseowner looks after the noise. I tried to make it a bit more to that story. All sounds come from custom Om patches. For drum_1 3 Fm operators are triggered seperately, influencing each other, with 2 of them having audio outs. slight offsets between the trigger notes change the sound in interesting ways because of this. Dave is my hero for this gift to humankind, even though I more or less have to use an old CVS version ;) All MIDI mouse-clicked in MusE. Also used for recording. Removed the files from the arrangement to normalize them (even though there was almost no headroom) in Sweep and to rename them. Audio file handling is realy a bit weak in MusE, but it's all straightforward. Reimported the tracks to add reverb. Used a single reverb (gverb, afair) in one group and groups for the audio tracks to have send levels. I also like this approach to insert highpass filter in front of reverb for tracks with bass / kick to avoid low frequency smear. But found it unecessary in this case. Thanks to the developers of all the fine software, making things like this possible in an open environment! Looking forward to work based on this. Don't hold back with criticism or imitations of this procedure ;) --- Thorsten Wilms From groups at xscd.com Wed Jan 11 16:23:06 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Wed Jan 11 16:23:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music material - Gnomes In-Reply-To: <20060111210814.GG11002@charly.SWORD> References: <20060111210814.GG11002@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060111212306.GO7856@xscd.com> On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 10:08:14PM +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > So I made a pure percussion track for Steve D - but also everyone else, > who would like to use it as basement or for cutting up :) > Full mix with a little reverb: > http://ccmixter.org/people/thorwil/thorwil_-_Gnomes_full_percussion_track.ogg --- --- Thank you so much Thorsten. I'm going to enjoy playing around with this great track and seeing what I can come up with to accompany it. I hope that some others will do the same. It would be interesting to hear a variety of approaches to using the same source material. best wishes, Steve New Mexico, US -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- History from a 10 year old: "The nineteenth century was a time of a great many thoughts and inventions. People stopped reproducing by hand and and started reproducing by machine. The invention of the steamboat caused a network of rivers to spring up." ---------------------------------------------------------------- From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Wed Jan 11 17:24:49 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Wed Jan 11 17:24:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rlimit problem on opensuse 10.0 - maybe first part of a solution In-Reply-To: <43BDB36F.10208@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <43BDB36F.10208@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <20060111232449.0630e298@SiRiUS.home> On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 01:01:51 +0100 Joern Nettingsmeier wrote: > hi everyone! > > > after some time of job-induced absence from audio work, i have tried > to bring my audio workstation up to date again. > > the problem is that i can't get realtime privileges. > > arch is x86_64, distro is opensuse 10.0, i'm using the distro kernel, > which is a 2.6.13 with additional patches. > > my /etc/security/limits.conf: > > @realtime - memlock 128000 > @realtime - nice 10 > @realtime - rtprio 70 > > the account i use is member of @realtime. > > on login, i get > > Jan 6 00:01:38 kleineronkel pam_limits[13812]: unknown limit item > 'nice' Jan 6 00:01:38 kleineronkel pam_limits[13812]: unknown limit > item 'rtprio' > Hi people! I finally got pam rt rlimits working, using pam 0.78 + rlimits patch on a gentoo system. Jack starts fine in realtime. rt-lsm not loaded. But there are some questions i'd like to ask, well.. one that is. And i think this might also be the issue mentioned here. all docs around the net tell that one has to set following in limits.conf: @audio - memlock 250000 @audio - nice -10 @audio - rtprio 100 ..or @audio whatever. now i also got that unknown item 'rtprio' on login from pam. looking at the patch i found the following: @@ -293,6 +298,10 @@ else if (strcmp(lim_item, "locks") == 0) limit_item = RLIMIT_LOCKS; #endif + else if (strcmp(lim_item, "rt_priority") == 0) + limit_item = RLIMIT_RTPRIO; + else if (strcmp(lim_item, "nice") == 0) + limit_item = RLIMIT_NICE; else if (strcmp(lim_item, "maxlogins") == 0) { limit_item = LIMIT_LOGIN; now even i'm not a coder, rtprio is infact called rt_priority! that seems dokumented wrong in limits.conf on opensuse also i've read that for audio one should set, hehe --> rt_priority to 100, which seems not to make much sense as: + case RLIMIT_RTPRIO: + if (limit_value > 99) + limit_value = 99; + if (limit_value < 0) + limit_value = 0; + break; ^^ 99% is the (stochastical) limit Maybe that helps some people here! If i got something wrong please excuse and correct me. At least here it now all seems to work out fine and also audio apps can now use more than 15% cpu, which is set as default value in the patch. Best regards Tom From strombrg at dcs.nac.uci.edu Wed Jan 11 17:48:55 2006 From: strombrg at dcs.nac.uci.edu (Dan Stromberg) Date: Wed Jan 11 17:49:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Xi instruments In-Reply-To: <20060111182732.402cc804.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> <200601101341.03640.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20060111062547.32aa63c2.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <200601110031.17174.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <1136936317.19259.137.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> <1136936787.2007.93.camel@mindpipe> <1136937548.19259.145.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> <20060111182732.402cc804.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <1137019735.19259.212.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 18:27 +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > Dan Stromberg wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 18:46 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > > Assuming you reported these problems to the developers, were they able > > > to help? > > > > > > Lee > > > > I did not report them. > > As a developer I have to ask you to please report all problems you > see with my software especially really horrid suff like this. > > I assume most other developers feel the same way. > > Erik I'm a developer too, but I'm pretty sure that this particular bug is going to be run into by hoardes of users. I've worked on contributing to jpilot before, but between my job, my family, the writing I feel compelled to do, and my own FOSS projects (some of which are still just being designed in the back of my mind, with many others at http://dcs.nac.uci.edu/~strombrg/tech-tidbits.html), I don't have a lot of time to report bugs that many, many users are likely to be seeing too. And I don't get bent out of shape if someone uses one of my programs, encounters a bug, and doesn't report it. It's nice, but it's no obligation. We all draw our lines somewhere. From hardbop200 at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 17:49:48 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Wed Jan 11 17:49:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a couple of volunteers for testing and possible website build /maintain... In-Reply-To: <22941.209.244.4.106.1136998993.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> References: <20060110220032.CFD0D157F75@music.columbia.edu> <200601111502.40516.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <20060111151329.GP26293@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <200601111836.53742@goldspace.net> <22941.209.244.4.106.1136998993.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> Message-ID: On 1/11/06, hanaghan@starband.net wrote: > Right now, we need to get a couple of testers that can test new packages > and also someone who might be interested in building a website and > maintaining it. I am working on server space at present with adequate > bandwidth, etc > I'll be happy to beta test, given that I meet all of the requirements. Please keep my email address handy. Josh -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From hanaghan at starband.net Wed Jan 11 17:50:32 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (hanaghan@starband.net) Date: Wed Jan 11 17:50:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a couple of volunteers for testing and possible website build /maintain... In-Reply-To: <20060111180150.46468.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <22941.209.244.4.106.1136998993.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> <20060111180150.46468.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <28193.209.244.5.93.1137019832.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> > > > --- hanaghan@starband.net wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> I have been working on the new LiveCD for PCLOS >> (PClinuxOS) with Thac's >> rpms. I have been communicating with Thac about all >> of our needs to do >> this and maintain it. Also mainting the high level >> of stability that >> PClinuxOS can boast. >> >> Right now, we need to get a couple of testers that >> can test new packages >> and also someone who might be interested in building >> a website and >> maintaining it. I am working on server space at >> present with adequate >> bandwidth, etc > > You need space and bandwidth or already have it? > Need it. I have a friend who runs a florishing gaming server biz. He is bringing in Cogent supposedly who have dirt cheap bandwith and he said he has enough spare PC junk to build a sperate box if I want to supply the hard drives... It's not firmed up yet and if someone has a cheap & easy alternative, we are all ears. Thanks R~ From tompoe at studioforrecording.org Wed Jan 11 18:14:43 2006 From: tompoe at studioforrecording.org (Tom Poe) Date: Wed Jan 11 18:03:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a couple of volunteers for testing and possible website build /maintain... In-Reply-To: <28193.209.244.5.93.1137019832.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> References: <22941.209.244.4.106.1136998993.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> <20060111180150.46468.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <28193.209.244.5.93.1137019832.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> Message-ID: <43C59163.2000506@studioforrecording.org> hanaghan@starband.net offered the following on 01/11/2006 04:50 PM: >> >>--- hanaghan@starband.net wrote: >> >> >>>Hi folks, >>> >>>I have been working on the new LiveCD for PCLOS >>>(PClinuxOS) with Thac's >>>rpms. I have been communicating with Thac about all >>>of our needs to do >>>this and maintain it. Also mainting the high level >>>of stability that >>>PClinuxOS can boast. >>> >>>Right now, we need to get a couple of testers that >>>can test new packages >>>and also someone who might be interested in building >>>a website and >>>maintaining it. I am working on server space at >>>present with adequate >>>bandwidth, etc >> >>You need space and bandwidth or already have it? >> > > Need it. I have a friend who runs a florishing gaming server biz. He is > bringing in Cogent supposedly who have dirt cheap bandwith and he said he > has enough spare PC junk to build a sperate box if I want to supply the > hard drives... > > It's not firmed up yet and if someone has a cheap & easy alternative, we > are all ears. > > Thanks > R~ > > > Have you checked with the ibiblio.org project to see if you qualify? http://ibiblio.org/collection.html Tom -- 94% of returning troops suffer trauma Open Studios, Charles City, Iowa, USA www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: tompoe.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 293 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060111/59d986dd/tompoe.vcf From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Jan 11 21:28:19 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Jan 11 21:28:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music material - Gnomes In-Reply-To: <20060111210814.GG11002@charly.SWORD> References: <20060111210814.GG11002@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <200601120228.20262.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 11 January 2006 21:08, Thorsten Wilms was like: > Hi! > > So I made a pure percussion track for Steve D - but also everyone else, > who would like to use it as basement or for cutting up :) > > Full mix with a little reverb: > http://ccmixter.org/people/thorwil/thorwil_-_Gnomes_full_percussion_track.o >gg > > Single dry tracks are linked from > http://ccmixter.org/media/files/thorwil/3566 > > I chose ccMixter because it is aimed at such things and provides > visibility outside the lau/lad community. Sadly they have a filesize > limit at 10 MB, otherwise the full mix would have been flac, too. > > An early version of this made someone on #lad think of gnomes moving stuff > around and suddenly running away and hiding when the houseowner looks > after the noise. I tried to make it a bit more to that story. > > All sounds come from custom Om patches. For drum_1 3 Fm operators are > triggered seperately, influencing each other, with 2 of them having audio > outs. slight offsets between the trigger notes change the sound in > interesting ways because of this. Dave is my hero for this gift to > humankind, even though I more or less have to use an old CVS version ;) > > All MIDI mouse-clicked in MusE. Also used for recording. Removed the files > from the arrangement to normalize them (even though there was almost no > headroom) in Sweep and to rename them. Audio file handling is realy a bit > weak in MusE, but it's all straightforward. > > Reimported the tracks to add reverb. Used a single reverb (gverb, afair) in > one group and groups for the audio tracks to have send levels. I also like > this approach to insert highpass filter in front of reverb for tracks > with bass / kick to avoid low frequency smear. But found it unecessary in > this case. > > Thanks to the developers of all the fine software, making things like this > possible in an open environment! > > Looking forward to work based on this. Don't hold back with criticism or > imitations of this procedure ;) Criticisms? sorry Thorsten, can't think of any. ;) I already listened to it twice and found myself doodling on the keyboard. It's a very useful percussion track with lots of hooks to hang things off. Thanks. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From hanaghan at starband.net Wed Jan 11 22:34:50 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (hanaghan@starband.net) Date: Wed Jan 11 22:35:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a couple of volunteers for testing and possible website build /maintain... In-Reply-To: References: <20060110220032.CFD0D157F75@music.columbia.edu> <200601111502.40516.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <20060111151329.GP26293@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <200601111836.53742@goldspace.net> <22941.209.244.4.106.1136998993.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> Message-ID: <1486.64.60.245.244.1137036890.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> > On 1/11/06, hanaghan@starband.net wrote: >> Right now, we need to get a couple of testers that can test new >> packages and also someone who might be interested in building a >> website and maintaining it. I am working on server space at present >> with adequate bandwidth, etc >> > I'll be happy to beta test, given that I meet all of the requirements. > Please keep my email address handy. > Excellent, Thanks...I'll be in touch soon R~ From hanaghan at starband.net Wed Jan 11 22:36:55 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (hanaghan@starband.net) Date: Wed Jan 11 22:37:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a couple of volunteers for testing and possible website build /maintain... In-Reply-To: <43C59163.2000506@studioforrecording.org> References: <22941.209.244.4.106.1136998993.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> <20060111180150.46468.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <28193.209.244.5.93.1137019832.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> <43C59163.2000506@studioforrecording.org> Message-ID: <27418.64.60.245.244.1137037015.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> > hanaghan@starband.net offered the following on 01/11/2006 04:50 PM: >>> >>>--- hanaghan@starband.net wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Hi folks, >>>> >>>>I have been working on the new LiveCD for PCLOS >>>>(PClinuxOS) with Thac's >>>>rpms. I have been communicating with Thac about all >>>>of our needs to do >>>>this and maintain it. Also mainting the high level >>>>of stability that >>>>PClinuxOS can boast. >>>> >>>>Right now, we need to get a couple of testers that >>>>can test new packages >>>>and also someone who might be interested in building >>>>a website and >>>>maintaining it. I am working on server space at >>>>present with adequate >>>>bandwidth, etc >>> >>>You need space and bandwidth or already have it? >>> >> >> Need it. I have a friend who runs a florishing gaming server biz. He >> is bringing in Cogent supposedly who have dirt cheap bandwith and he >> said he has enough spare PC junk to build a sperate box if I want to >> supply the hard drives... >> >> It's not firmed up yet and if someone has a cheap & easy alternative, >> we are all ears. >> >> Thanks >> R~ >> >> >> > Have you checked with the ibiblio.org project to see if you qualify? > http://ibiblio.org/collection.html > Tom > Not yet. But it's on my shopping list if my other otions fall through. thanks R~ From rtp405 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 02:05:46 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Thu Jan 12 02:05:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a couple of volunteers for testing and possible website build /maintain... In-Reply-To: <27418.64.60.245.244.1137037015.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> Message-ID: <20060112070546.30263.qmail@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- hanaghan@starband.net wrote: > > hanaghan@starband.net offered the following on > 01/11/2006 04:50 PM: > >>> > >>>--- hanaghan@starband.net wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Hi folks, > >>>> > >>>>I have been working on the new LiveCD for PCLOS > >>>>(PClinuxOS) with Thac's > >>>>rpms. I have been communicating with Thac about > all > >>>>of our needs to do > >>>>this and maintain it. Also mainting the high > level > >>>>of stability that > >>>>PClinuxOS can boast. > >>>> > >>>>Right now, we need to get a couple of testers > that > >>>>can test new packages > >>>>and also someone who might be interested in > building > >>>>a website and > >>>>maintaining it. I am working on server space at > >>>>present with adequate > >>>>bandwidth, etc > >>> > >>>You need space and bandwidth or already have it? > >>> > >> > >> Need it. I have a friend who runs a florishing > gaming server biz. He > >> is bringing in Cogent supposedly who have dirt > cheap bandwith and he > >> said he has enough spare PC junk to build a > sperate box if I want to > >> supply the hard drives... > >> > >> It's not firmed up yet and if someone has a cheap > & easy alternative, > >> we are all ears. Let me know if things don't work out there. I've got a Dreamhost account that's got decent bandwidth and storage. If you were to exceed the bandwidth and cost me money I'd have to shut you down which would suck bad. Dreamhost seems fully drawn into the storage and bandwidth war so it might never be an issue. Any idea how much bandwidth you would use? BTW, Ardour is hosted at Dreamhost so the lack of anonymous CVS access is a bit of hassle for some projects. ron > >> Thanks > >> R~ > >> > >> > >> > > Have you checked with the ibiblio.org project to > see if you qualify? > > http://ibiblio.org/collection.html > > Tom > > > > Not yet. But it's on my shopping list if my other > otions fall through. > > thanks > R~ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rtp405 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 02:05:46 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Thu Jan 12 02:06:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a couple of volunteers for testing and possible website build /maintain... In-Reply-To: <27418.64.60.245.244.1137037015.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> Message-ID: <20060112070546.30263.qmail@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- hanaghan@starband.net wrote: > > hanaghan@starband.net offered the following on > 01/11/2006 04:50 PM: > >>> > >>>--- hanaghan@starband.net wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Hi folks, > >>>> > >>>>I have been working on the new LiveCD for PCLOS > >>>>(PClinuxOS) with Thac's > >>>>rpms. I have been communicating with Thac about > all > >>>>of our needs to do > >>>>this and maintain it. Also mainting the high > level > >>>>of stability that > >>>>PClinuxOS can boast. > >>>> > >>>>Right now, we need to get a couple of testers > that > >>>>can test new packages > >>>>and also someone who might be interested in > building > >>>>a website and > >>>>maintaining it. I am working on server space at > >>>>present with adequate > >>>>bandwidth, etc > >>> > >>>You need space and bandwidth or already have it? > >>> > >> > >> Need it. I have a friend who runs a florishing > gaming server biz. He > >> is bringing in Cogent supposedly who have dirt > cheap bandwith and he > >> said he has enough spare PC junk to build a > sperate box if I want to > >> supply the hard drives... > >> > >> It's not firmed up yet and if someone has a cheap > & easy alternative, > >> we are all ears. Let me know if things don't work out there. I've got a Dreamhost account that's got decent bandwidth and storage. If you were to exceed the bandwidth and cost me money I'd have to shut you down which would suck bad. Dreamhost seems fully drawn into the storage and bandwidth war so it might never be an issue. Any idea how much bandwidth you would use? BTW, Ardour is hosted at Dreamhost so the lack of anonymous CVS access is a bit of hassle for some projects. ron > >> Thanks > >> R~ > >> > >> > >> > > Have you checked with the ibiblio.org project to > see if you qualify? > > http://ibiblio.org/collection.html > > Tom > > > > Not yet. But it's on my shopping list if my other > otions fall through. > > thanks > R~ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bernie.arai at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 03:05:29 2006 From: bernie.arai at gmail.com (bernie arai) Date: Thu Jan 12 03:05:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] help with virtual midi? In-Reply-To: <20060107115327.GB9915@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060107115327.GB9915@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: On 1/7/06, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > # /sbin/modprobe snd-virmidi index=2 > > > > instead (ie. just "index", rather than "snd_index" ) > > That's right, you can also get this information with "/sbin/modinfo > snd-virmidi". Maybe Bernie was following my Virmidi-HOWTO, which still > had the old syntax. I fixed this mistake now in the version of the > HOWTO on my site: http://footils.org/cms/show/24 (plus some other > small fixes...) > thanks so much for everyone's help! simply eliminating that "snd_" in "snd_index" did the trick. virmidi loaded and works with no trouble now! i was in fact following the old virmidi HOWTO you wrote (and i found the old version repeatedly in many places across the web) so thanks for the pointer to the updated version. bernie From hanaghan at starband.net Thu Jan 12 04:12:21 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (hanaghan@starband.net) Date: Thu Jan 12 04:12:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a couple of volunteers for testing and possible website build /maintain... In-Reply-To: <20060112070546.30263.qmail@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <27418.64.60.245.244.1137037015.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> <20060112070546.30263.qmail@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3410.64.60.245.244.1137057141.squirrel@hercules.email.starband.net> > > > --- hanaghan@starband.net wrote: > >> > hanaghan@starband.net offered the following on >> 01/11/2006 04:50 PM: >> >>> >> >>>--- hanaghan@starband.net wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>Hi folks, >> >>>> >> >>>>I have been working on the new LiveCD for PCLOS >> >>>>(PClinuxOS) with Thac's >> >>>>rpms. I have been communicating with Thac about >> all >> >>>>of our needs to do >> >>>>this and maintain it. Also mainting the high >> level >> >>>>of stability that >> >>>>PClinuxOS can boast. >> >>>> >> >>>>Right now, we need to get a couple of testers >> that >> >>>>can test new packages >> >>>>and also someone who might be interested in >> building >> >>>>a website and >> >>>>maintaining it. I am working on server space at >> >>>>present with adequate >> >>>>bandwidth, etc >> >>> >> >>>You need space and bandwidth or already have it? >> >>> >> >> >> >> Need it. I have a friend who runs a florishing >> gaming server biz. He >> >> is bringing in Cogent supposedly who have dirt >> cheap bandwith and he >> >> said he has enough spare PC junk to build a >> sperate box if I want to >> >> supply the hard drives... >> >> >> >> It's not firmed up yet and if someone has a cheap >> & easy alternative, >> >> we are all ears. > > Let me know if things don't work out there. I've got a > Dreamhost account that's got decent bandwidth and > storage. If you were to exceed the bandwidth and cost > me money I'd have to shut you down which would suck > bad. Dreamhost seems fully drawn into the storage and > bandwidth war so it might never be an issue. Any idea > how much bandwidth you would use? > > BTW, Ardour is hosted at Dreamhost so the lack of > anonymous CVS access is a bit of hassle for some > projects. > > ron Thank your Mr Parker! I'll let you know how I fare with the other options. Thanks R~ From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Jan 12 04:37:15 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Jan 12 04:37:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music material - Gnomes In-Reply-To: <20060111212306.GO7856@xscd.com> References: <20060111210814.GG11002@charly.SWORD> <20060111212306.GO7856@xscd.com> Message-ID: <20060112093714.GA6821@charly.SWORD> On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 02:23:06PM -0700, Steve D wrote: > > Thank you so much Thorsten. I'm going to enjoy playing around with > this great track and seeing what I can come up with to accompany it. I > hope that some others will do the same. It would be interesting to hear > a variety of approaches to using the same source material. Thanks. Looking forward. Yes, that's what I hope, too :) Cheers, Thorsten W From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Jan 12 04:48:29 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Jan 12 04:48:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music material - Gnomes In-Reply-To: <200601120228.20262.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060111210814.GG11002@charly.SWORD> <200601120228.20262.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060112094829.GB6821@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 02:28:19AM +0000, tim hall wrote: > Criticisms? sorry Thorsten, can't think of any. ;) I already listened to it > twice and found myself doodling on the keyboard. It's a very useful > percussion track with lots of hooks to hang things off. Thanks. Heh, thank you! Doodle away :) I have been a little concerned about it being a little to lively, too much going on ... but now you mentioned 'hooks' i'm relieved :) /me nods to Conrad --- Thorsten Wilms From lerni at gmx.ch Thu Jan 12 05:50:28 2006 From: lerni at gmx.ch (Lukas Erni) Date: Thu Jan 12 05:39:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Behringer FCB1010 foot controller In-Reply-To: <43C5659A.6060202@ricordeau.org> References: <20060107182614.78227.qmail@web52614.mail.yahoo.com> <43C5659A.6060202@ricordeau.org> Message-ID: <200601121150.29200.lerni@gmx.ch> Am Mittwoch, 11. Januar 2006 21.07 schrieb Olivier Ricordeau: > Now I just need to find a cheap one... not only cheap, go also for a recent one (firmware)! grtz lukas From arnold.krille at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 05:41:58 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Thu Jan 12 05:42:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Call for help for LinuxTag2006 Message-ID: <2def88b80601120241u7af0baeev@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, as every year the famous german LinuxTag is taking place. This year in Wiesbaden from 3. to 6. May. Yes, this is just one week after LAC2006, which has several advantages and disadvantages: + It is a good chance to come to Germany for LAC, have one or two days of holiday and then join the LA-Group at LinuxTag! + Maybe even repeat your LAC-Talk at LinuxTag? (see www.linuxtag.org for details on the Call-for-Papers but be aware that it ends January 15...) + Wiesbaden is more in the center of germany so perhaps some LA-folks from the north of germany can join us? - The new place for LinuxTag together with LAC being a week before enforce two of the main-booth-members of the last years (Christoph Eckert and Frank Neumann) to be only a visitor at LinuxTag or even less... That leaves a hole in the organisational part. :-( So here is my call: I am willing to do some work organizing a booth and a group of staff but I need YOUR help! If you are a german LA[DU]-member and have some spare time, join in! A booth at LinuxTag is a good opportunity to present Linux Audio to the people, not only to developers but more to users. The crowd is mostly industry (producers, technicians, musicians) at the weekdays and home-recording-users at the weekend. Don't be afraid, there won't be much questions about setting up drivers for consumer-cards (and If there are, we usually send them to their distributions booth :-) ). But there will be a lot people thinking about using your app in studio! So you definitly don't want to miss this chance! If I get positive answers from at least two other people by weekend, I will apply for a booth and things start rolling, so don't hesitate, check your calendar, plan for another week of holiday and join me (us?). So long and thanks for all the fish, Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From bach at sbox.tugraz.at Thu Jan 12 06:11:39 2006 From: bach at sbox.tugraz.at (Gerda Strobl) Date: Thu Jan 12 06:11:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audacity extremely small fonts Message-ID: <43C6396B.4000403@sbox.tugraz.at> Dear list, after several updates and a change from XF86Config-4 to xorg.conf my audacity has extremely small fonts such that working is impossible-has someone an idea where to change that (?config?)? system: debian/unstable 2613, kde 3.4.3, audacity 1.2.4 Thank you. Gerda From ivalladt at punkass.com Thu Jan 12 06:43:26 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Jan 12 06:43:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Free Proyect starting In-Reply-To: <1136983173.11947.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <311b5a1a0511281126u19d368ben@mail.gmail.com> <43C47306.4020209@fastmail.fm> <1136948647.2007.141.camel@mindpipe> <20060111092846.GB2764@spma33> <1136983173.11947.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060112114326.GE2716@spma33> Paul Davis escribe: > > Not meaning that Digidesign hardware isn't top class, of course... > > except that it really isn't. their A/D and D/A isn't at the quality of > Apogee's equipment, for a start (although to be fair, what is?). the > main thing you get for buying Digi h/w is their TDM-supporting DSP > processing architecture. not much else. Man, few things in the world is at the quality of Apogee's equipment! I've been reported by some people that 16bit A/D converters by Digidesign in the past offered more signal to noise ratio than most 24bit soundcards in the market that time. I don't know about the current status I admit. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Saludos --Carlos From olivier at ricordeau.org Thu Jan 12 08:47:00 2006 From: olivier at ricordeau.org (Olivier Ricordeau) Date: Thu Jan 12 08:45:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Behringer FCB1010 foot controller In-Reply-To: <200601121150.29200.lerni@gmx.ch> References: <20060107182614.78227.qmail@web52614.mail.yahoo.com> <43C5659A.6060202@ricordeau.org> <200601121150.29200.lerni@gmx.ch> Message-ID: <43C65DD4.3030404@ricordeau.org> Lukas Erni a ?crit : > Am Mittwoch, 11. Januar 2006 21.07 schrieb Olivier Ricordeau: > >>Now I just need to find a cheap one... > > > not only cheap, go also for a recent one (firmware)! Is it possible to upgrade the firmware using a software provided by Behringer? (even if I need to do it with a windows machine, which is possible) Olivier > grtz > lukas > -- - *Olivier RICORDEAU* - olivier@ricordeau.org From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Jan 12 08:54:04 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu Jan 12 08:54:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] skype vs audigy 2 vs onboard audio problem Message-ID: <200601120854.04822.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Greetings all; I have a setup I hope to make work, one way or the other, but jurassic software seems to be a problem. /dev/dsp & /dev/mixer are attached, either to an SBLive Value, or to an SB Audigy 2 Value card, I've been swapping them back and forth. /dev/dsp1 & mixer1 *should* be attached to skype if its running. Currently running kernel 2.6.15 and forceably installed alsa stuffs, version 1.0.11rc2. kmix, from kde is a bit long in the tooth at kde-3.3.0, built some time back with konstruct and it works so well I hate to play with that. Anyway, here is the problem: When the Audigy 2 card is installed, kmix's input tab & screens for this card are blanked out. When the SBLive Value card is installed, all of this "snd-card-0" works nominally. I can get tvtime audio thru it, and xmms seems to work, as does grip now, thru both cards depending on which is installed. But kmix's blank input tab is confoosin :) But skype seems tethered to the use of /dev/mixer only for its transmit functions even if I can switch the echo123 audio from snd-card-1 to snd-card-0 by selecting /dev/dsp instead of /dev/dsp1 in the headset menu. When its set for /dev/dsp1, and I can hear echo123 in the headset, the audio thats actually sent comes from whatever might be coming thru the SBLive or Audigy 2 cards at the time. Now if, by reverseing the aliases in my modprobe.conf and rebooting, the cards are interchanged, then skype will work correctly because the motherboard audio is now /dev/mixer, but then kde, tvtime, xmms et all doesn't seem to be able to find /dev/mixer1 which would be snd-card-1 or snd-slot-1 in that scenario. Whats the fix, other than scrapping skype, which I'm not convinced isn't a broadband pipe into the heart of the machine on port 0 or 443 since vz (spit) has 80 blocked. But I'd like to make it work just to prove it can be done. So how can I 'alias' the skype call to open /dev/mixer to actually access /dev/mixer1? I have 'skype_dsp_hijacker' here, but its not the /dev/dsp I need to 'hijack' as thats settable from the skype menu, but the mixer, which isn't settable. And that puppies docs, the README is a bit cryptic to this old fart. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Jan 12 09:04:49 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu Jan 12 09:04:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] skype vs audigy 2 vs onboard audio problem In-Reply-To: <200601120854.04822.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200601120854.04822.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200601120904.49429.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 12 January 2006 08:54, Gene Heskett wrote: >Greetings all; > >I have a setup I hope to make work, one way or the other, but jurassic >software seems to be a problem. > >/dev/dsp & /dev/mixer are attached, either to an SBLive Value, or to > an SB Audigy 2 Value card, I've been swapping them back and forth. > >/dev/dsp1 & mixer1 *should* be attached to skype if its running. And I neglected to say that this is the onboard audio in an nforce2 chipset. Sorry. >Currently running kernel 2.6.15 and forceably installed alsa stuffs, >version 1.0.11rc2. kmix, from kde is a bit long in the tooth at >kde-3.3.0, built some time back with konstruct and it works so well I >hate to play with that. > >Anyway, here is the problem: >When the Audigy 2 card is installed, kmix's input tab & screens for > this card are blanked out. When the SBLive Value card is installed, > all of this "snd-card-0" works nominally. I can get tvtime audio > thru it, and xmms seems to work, as does grip now, thru both cards > depending on which is installed. But kmix's blank input tab is > confoosin :) > >But skype seems tethered to the use of /dev/mixer only for its > transmit functions even if I can switch the echo123 audio from > snd-card-1 to snd-card-0 by selecting /dev/dsp instead of /dev/dsp1 > in the headset menu. When its set for /dev/dsp1, and I can hear > echo123 in the headset, the audio thats actually sent comes from > whatever might be coming thru the SBLive or Audigy 2 cards at the > time. > >Now if, by reverseing the aliases in my modprobe.conf and rebooting, > the cards are interchanged, then skype will work correctly because > the motherboard audio is now /dev/mixer, but then kde, tvtime, xmms > et all doesn't seem to be able to find /dev/mixer1 which would be > snd-card-1 or snd-slot-1 in that scenario. > >Whats the fix, other than scrapping skype, which I'm not convinced > isn't a broadband pipe into the heart of the machine on port 0 or 443 > since vz (spit) has 80 blocked. But I'd like to make it work just to > prove it can be done. So how can I 'alias' the skype call to open > /dev/mixer to actually access /dev/mixer1? > >I have 'skype_dsp_hijacker' here, but its not the /dev/dsp I need to >'hijack' as thats settable from the skype menu, but the mixer, which >isn't settable. And that puppies docs, the README is a bit cryptic to >this old fart. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From core at jacklab.net Thu Jan 12 09:14:30 2006 From: core at jacklab.net (Michael Bohle) Date: Thu Jan 12 09:14:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Behringer FCB1010 foot controller In-Reply-To: <43C65DD4.3030404@ricordeau.org> References: <20060107182614.78227.qmail@web52614.mail.yahoo.com> <43C5659A.6060202@ricordeau.org> <200601121150.29200.lerni@gmx.ch> <43C65DD4.3030404@ricordeau.org> Message-ID: <1137075270.4875.13.camel@jacklab.metanet> If you have a FCB1010 with the old fimware, Behringer will send you a free new eprom with Firmware ver 2.2. Just write an email to the Behringer costumer support. A Editor Software for the FCB1010: i just making some experiments with the windows based "PC Editor for FCB101" under wine. I have on my openSUSE box latest wine (0.9.2) and winetools installed and it works fine. http://www.mtnsys.com/faq-fcb/PCEditor.htm You need to have midi support with wine, so the PC Editor for FCB1010 can send and receive the sysex created the simple way. For this editor the FCB1010 Firmware ver 2.2 is needed. Regards Michael Am Donnerstag, den 12.01.2006, 14:47 +0100 schrieb Olivier Ricordeau: > Lukas Erni a ?crit : > > Am Mittwoch, 11. Januar 2006 21.07 schrieb Olivier Ricordeau: > > > >>Now I just need to find a cheap one... > > > > > > not only cheap, go also for a recent one (firmware)! > > Is it possible to upgrade the firmware using a software provided by > Behringer? (even if I need to do it with a windows machine, which is > possible) > > Olivier > > > grtz > > lukas > > > > From clemens at ladisch.de Thu Jan 12 11:02:48 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu Jan 12 11:05:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] re: midi problems In-Reply-To: <87y81mwtil.fsf_-_@laymusic.org> References: <200601081829.05568.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <874q4ens2f.fsf@laymusic.org> <200601091501.08340.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <87y81mwtil.fsf_-_@laymusic.org> Message-ID: <1137081768.43c67da8bc59d@webmail.uni-halle.de> Laura Conrad wrote: > Jan 11 12:08:23 serpent modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting snd_seq_oss > (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/sound/core/seq/oss/snd-seq-oss.ko): Device > or resource busy What are the output of lsmod, and the contents of /proc/asound/oss/devices? Regards, Clemens From clemens at ladisch.de Thu Jan 12 11:12:13 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu Jan 12 11:12:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Free Proyect starting In-Reply-To: <20060112114326.GE2716@spma33> References: <311b5a1a0511281126u19d368ben@mail.gmail.com> <43C47306.4020209@fastmail.fm> <1136948647.2007.141.camel@mindpipe> <20060111092846.GB2764@spma33> <1136983173.11947.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060112114326.GE2716@spma33> Message-ID: <1137082333.43c67fdd6d1bd@webmail.uni-halle.de> Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > I've been reported by some people that 16bit A/D converters by > Digidesign in the past offered more signal to noise ratio than most > 24bit soundcards in the market that time. I don't know about the > current status I admit. My old Edirol UA-1A (16 bits, Asahi Kasei AK4520) does better A->D than the SB Audigy 2 NX (24 bits, SigmaTel STAC9460). I'm not surprised. Regards, Clemens From lconrad at laymusic.org Thu Jan 12 11:15:29 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Thu Jan 12 11:15:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] re: midi problems In-Reply-To: <1137081768.43c67da8bc59d@webmail.uni-halle.de> (Clemens Ladisch's message of "Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:02:48 +0100") References: <200601081829.05568.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <874q4ens2f.fsf@laymusic.org> <200601091501.08340.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <87y81mwtil.fsf_-_@laymusic.org> <1137081768.43c67da8bc59d@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <87slrtv2vy.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "CL" == Clemens Ladisch writes: >> Jan 11 12:08:23 serpent modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting snd_seq_oss >> (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/sound/core/seq/oss/snd-seq-oss.ko): Device >> or resource busy CL> What are the output of lsmod, and the contents of CL> /proc/asound/oss/devices? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060112/f61fb70d/attachment.bin From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Jan 12 12:12:04 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu Jan 12 12:12:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] skype vs audigy 2 vs onboard audio problem In-Reply-To: <200601120904.49429.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200601120854.04822.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200601120904.49429.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200601121212.05128.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 12 January 2006 09:04, Gene Heskett wrote: >On Thursday 12 January 2006 08:54, Gene Heskett wrote: Yeah, I'm an old fart & talk to myself frequently. >>Greetings all; >> >>I have a setup I hope to make work, one way or the other, but >> jurassic software seems to be a problem. >> >>/dev/dsp & /dev/mixer are attached, either to an SBLive Value, or to >> an SB Audigy 2 Value card, I've been swapping them back and forth. >> >>/dev/dsp1 & mixer1 *should* be attached to skype if its running. > >And I neglected to say that this is the onboard audio in an nforce2 >chipset. Sorry. > >>Currently running kernel 2.6.15 and forceably installed alsa stuffs, >>version 1.0.11rc2. kmix, from kde is a bit long in the tooth at >>kde-3.3.0, built some time back with konstruct and it works so well I >>hate to play with that. >> >>Anyway, here is the problem: >>When the Audigy 2 card is installed, kmix's input tab & screens for >> this card are blanked out. When the SBLive Value card is installed, >> all of this "snd-card-0" works nominally. I can get tvtime audio >> thru it, and xmms seems to work, as does grip now, thru both cards >> depending on which is installed. But kmix's blank input tab is >> confoosin :) >> >>But skype seems tethered to the use of /dev/mixer only for its >> transmit functions even if I can switch the echo123 audio from >> snd-card-1 to snd-card-0 by selecting /dev/dsp instead of /dev/dsp1 >> in the headset menu. When its set for /dev/dsp1, and I can hear >> echo123 in the headset, the audio thats actually sent comes from >> whatever might be coming thru the SBLive or Audigy 2 cards at the >> time. >> >>Now if, by reverseing the aliases in my modprobe.conf and rebooting, >> the cards are interchanged, then skype will work correctly because >> the motherboard audio is now /dev/mixer, but then kde, tvtime, xmms >> et all doesn't seem to be able to find /dev/mixer1 which would be >> snd-card-1 or snd-slot-1 in that scenario. >> >>Whats the fix, other than scrapping skype, which I'm not convinced >> isn't a broadband pipe into the heart of the machine on port 0 or >> 443 since vz (spit) has 80 blocked. But I'd like to make it work >> just to prove it can be done. So how can I 'alias' the skype call >> to open /dev/mixer to actually access /dev/mixer1? >> >>I have 'skype_dsp_hijacker' here, but its not the /dev/dsp I need to >>'hijack' as thats settable from the skype menu, but the mixer, which >>isn't settable. And that puppies docs, the README is a bit cryptic >> to this old fart. But I was able to get skype working with the use of skype_dsp_hijacker. I'd already made an icon to run it, and changing the command from 'usr/local/bin/skype' (note quotes) to skype_dsp_hijacker --2nd without the quotes as they seemed to screw up the argument passing, that seems to be working now. It seems that the hijacker actually functions as the skype launcher, something not noted in the README in large enough print to get my attention. So the remaining problem is the fouled nest kmix seems to be living in when the Audigy 2 Value [SB0400] device is selected. All controls are placed on the output tab, making its window about a foot wide. Is there any cure for that other than upgrading kde to 3.5? -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From burkhard.ritter at stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de Thu Jan 12 13:19:28 2006 From: burkhard.ritter at stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Burkhard Ritter) Date: Thu Jan 12 13:19:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rlimit problem on opensuse 10.0 - maybe first part of a solution In-Reply-To: <20060111232449.0630e298@SiRiUS.home> References: <43BDB36F.10208@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20060111232449.0630e298@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <20060112181928.GB3714@muh> On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:24:49PM +0100, Thomas Kuther wrote: [...] > Hi people! > > I finally got pam rt rlimits working, using pam 0.78 + rlimits patch on > a gentoo system. Jack starts fine in realtime. rt-lsm not loaded. > > But there are some questions i'd like to ask, well.. one that is. And i > think this might also be the issue mentioned here. > > all docs around the net tell that one has to set following in > limits.conf: > @audio - memlock 250000 > @audio - nice -10 > @audio - rtprio 100 > > ..or @audio whatever. now i also got that unknown item 'rtprio' on > login from pam. > > looking at the patch i found the following: > [...] > now even i'm not a coder, rtprio is infact called rt_priority! that > seems dokumented wrong in limits.conf on opensuse [...] > > Maybe that helps some people here! If i got something wrong please > excuse and correct me. At least here it now all seems to work out fine > and also audio apps can now use more than 15% cpu, which is set as > default value in the patch. > > Best regards > Tom > I was under the impression that the developers of pam changed this when they merged in the patch. So yes, with the patch it is rt_priority (and that is what I am still using and what works), but with pam > 0.80 it should be rtprio. (You can browse the source code at sourceforge to convince yourself.) Why this does not work on Suse (which has pam >= .80, to the best of my knowledge) I don't know. Burkhard From fbar at footils.org Thu Jan 12 13:36:26 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Jan 12 13:36:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] help with virtual midi? In-Reply-To: References: <20060107115327.GB9915@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060112183626.GE4302@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, bernie arai hat gesagt: // bernie arai wrote: > simply eliminating that "snd_" in "snd_index" did the trick. virmidi > loaded and works with no trouble now! i was in fact following the > old virmidi HOWTO you wrote (and i found the old version repeatedly in > many places across the web) so thanks for the pointer to the updated > version. Yes, it's also part of the Midi-Howto. The net has long memory. I'll try to contact the author. Is this still Phil Kerr? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jan 12 15:17:14 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jan 12 15:17:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] re: midi problems In-Reply-To: <87slrtv2vy.fsf@laymusic.org> References: <200601081829.05568.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <874q4ens2f.fsf@laymusic.org> <200601091501.08340.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <87y81mwtil.fsf_-_@laymusic.org> <1137081768.43c67da8bc59d@webmail.uni-halle.de> <87slrtv2vy.fsf@laymusic.org> Message-ID: <1137097034.2370.46.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 11:15 -0500, Laura Conrad wrote: > >>>>> "CL" == Clemens Ladisch writes: > > >> Jan 11 12:08:23 serpent modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting snd_seq_oss > >> (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/sound/core/seq/oss/snd-seq-oss.ko): Device > >> or resource busy > > CL> What are the output of lsmod, and the contents of > CL> /proc/asound/oss/devices? > > [come]# cat /proc/asound/oss/devices > 2: [0- 2]: raw midi > 12: [0-12]: digital audio > 3: [0- 3]: digital audio > 0: [0- 0]: mixer > 13: [0-13]: raw midi > [come]# > You have a bunch of OSS modules loaded, don't do that: sound 80332 1 uart401 uart401 11332 0 ac97_codec 20108 0 Lee From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Jan 12 15:51:07 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu Jan 12 15:51:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi Message-ID: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Greetings; I have installed an Audigy 2 value board which is supposed to do midi according to the propaganda. Kernel is 2.6.15, with all revelant audio as modules and are modprobe.conf-iged in and showing in the lsmod listing which is quite bulky so I won't post that list. In kde's control center, under sound, the normal, .wav or .ogg based effects work rather nicely, but the midi test seems to be a total non performer. I have this Audigy defined as snd-card-0 in my modules.conf, and here is a cat of /proc/asound/cards: ---------- 0 [Audigy2 ]: Audigy2 - Audigy 2 Value [SB0400] Audigy 2 Value [SB0400] (rev.0, serial:0x10011102) at 0x9000, irq 20 1 [nForce2 ]: NFORCE - NVidia nForce2 NVidia nForce2 with ALC655 at 0xed001000, irq 17 ---------- And: ---------- # cat /proc/asound/oss/devices 0: [0- 0]: mixer 1: : sequencer 2: [0- 0]: raw midi 3: [0- 0]: digital audio 4: [0- 0]: digital audio 8: : sequencer 9: [0- 0]: raw midi 12: [0- 1]: digital audio 13: [0- 1]: raw midi 14: [0- 1]: raw midi 16: [1- 0]: mixer 19: [1- 0]: digital audio 20: [1- 0]: digital audio 28: [1- 1]: digital audio ----------- And: ----------- # cat /proc/asound/seq/* Client info cur clients : 5 peak clients : 6 max clients : 192 Client 0 : "System" [Kernel] Port 0 : "Timer" (Rwe-) Port 1 : "Announce" (R-e-) Connecting To: 15:0 Client 14 : "Midi Through" [Kernel] Port 0 : "Midi Through Port-0" (RWe-) Client 15 : "OSS sequencer" [Kernel] Port 0 : "Receiver" (-we-) Connected From: 0:1 Output pool : Pool size : 1024 Cells in use : 0 Peak cells in use : 1 Alloc success : 401 Alloc failures : 0 Client 16 : "Audigy MPU-401 #2" [Kernel] Port 0 : "Audigy MPU-401 (UART)" (RWeX) Port 32 : "Audigy MPU-401 #2" (RWeX) Client 17 : "Emu10k1 WaveTable" [Kernel] Port 0 : "Emu10k1 Port 0" (-We-) Port 1 : "Emu10k1 Port 1" (-We-) Port 2 : "Emu10k1 Port 2" (-We-) Port 3 : "Emu10k1 Port 3" (-We-) snd-emu10k1-synth,loaded,1 snd-seq-midi,loaded,2 snd-seq-oss,loaded,1 OSS sequencer emulation version 0.1.8 ALSA client number 15 ALSA receiver port 0 Number of applications: 0 Number of synth devices: 1 synth 0: [Emu10k1] type 0x1 : subtype 0x20 : voices 64 capabilities : ioctl enabled / load_patch enabled Number of MIDI devices: 7 midi 0: [Midi Through Port-0] ALSA port 14:0 capability read/write / opened none midi 1: [Audigy MPU-401 (UART)] ALSA port 16:0 capability read/write / opened none midi 2: [Audigy MPU-401 #2] ALSA port 16:32 capability read/write / opened none midi 3: [Emu10k1 Port 0] ALSA port 17:0 capability write / opened none midi 4: [Emu10k1 Port 1] ALSA port 17:1 capability write / opened none midi 5: [Emu10k1 Port 2] ALSA port 17:2 capability write / opened none midi 6: [Emu10k1 Port 3] ALSA port 17:3 capability write / opened none --------- So that looks as if it should be raring to go. 'cat'ing a .mid file to any of the 0- devices is either a no such device error, or returns silently in 1 second or less. Whats the next thing to check here? -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jan 12 16:11:23 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jan 12 16:11:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1137100284.2370.66.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 15:51 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > Greetings; > > I have installed an Audigy 2 value board which is supposed to do midi > according to the propaganda. > > Kernel is 2.6.15, with all revelant audio as modules and are > modprobe.conf-iged in and showing in the lsmod listing which is > quite bulky so I won't post that list. > > In kde's control center, under sound, the normal, .wav or .ogg based > effects work rather nicely, but the midi test seems to be a total non > performer. You have to load a soundfont using "asfxload". > 'cat'ing a .mid file to any of the 0- devices is either a no > such device error, or returns silently in 1 second or less. That's not how ALSA MIDI works, you can't just cat a .mid file to a device node. Use aplaymidi. Lee From tuimonen at cc.hut.fi Thu Jan 12 18:00:27 2006 From: tuimonen at cc.hut.fi (Tommi Sakari Uimonen) Date: Thu Jan 12 18:00:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Xi instruments In-Reply-To: <43C4FE07.7060802@woh.rr.com> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> <200601101341.03640.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20060111062547.32aa63c2.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <200601110031.17174.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20060111182536.07e73c35.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060111094125.GA26180@emillo.net> <43C4FE07.7060802@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: > Happily, I can use both. CT is a very nice tracker, but like yourself I > simply prefer ST. However, CT does have some cool features I'd like to see in > ST. > >> soundtracker is a great program, and I sincerely hope one day it would gain >> jack support and jack_transport features. This would put it back "on the >> road again" in my setup. For midi trackers I have used shaketracker, tutka and kmiditracker. At some point tutka even worked with jack. http://www.reduz.com.ar/cheesetronic/index.php?section=3 http://www.nongnu.org/tutka/ http://www.monasteriomono.org/programs/kmiditracker/ All I'm waiting for is MIDI support for jack, to get midi-and-sample-sync. Tommi From ivalladt at punkass.com Thu Jan 12 18:15:54 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Jan 12 18:16:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] help with virtual midi? In-Reply-To: <20060112183626.GE4302@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060107115327.GB9915@fliwatut.scifi> <20060112183626.GE4302@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060112231554.GA2366@localhost.localdomain> Frank Barknecht escribe: > Hallo, > bernie arai hat gesagt: // bernie arai wrote: > > > simply eliminating that "snd_" in "snd_index" did the trick. virmidi > > loaded and works with no trouble now! i was in fact following the > > old virmidi HOWTO you wrote (and i found the old version repeatedly in > > many places across the web) so thanks for the pointer to the updated > > version. > > Yes, it's also part of the Midi-Howto. The net has long memory. I'll > try to contact the author. Is this still Phil Kerr? > > Ciao Where's that midi-howto? Pointers welcome! Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange From fbar at footils.org Thu Jan 12 18:30:28 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Jan 12 18:30:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] help with virtual midi? In-Reply-To: <20060112231554.GA2366@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060107115327.GB9915@fliwatut.scifi> <20060112183626.GE4302@fliwatut.scifi> <20060112231554.GA2366@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060112233028.GH4302@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Ismael Valladolid Torres hat gesagt: // Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Where's that midi-howto? Pointers welcome! Try one of the first ~120 hits when googling "midi-howto". ;) But you may also have it in /usr/share/doc/HOWTO Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From ivalladt at punkass.com Thu Jan 12 18:38:01 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Jan 12 18:38:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] help with virtual midi? In-Reply-To: <20060112233028.GH4302@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060107115327.GB9915@fliwatut.scifi> <20060112183626.GE4302@fliwatut.scifi> <20060112231554.GA2366@localhost.localdomain> <20060112233028.GH4302@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060112233800.GB2795@localhost.localdomain> Frank Barknecht escribe: > Hallo, > Ismael Valladolid Torres hat gesagt: // Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > > Where's that midi-howto? Pointers welcome! > > Try one of the first ~120 hits when googling "midi-howto". ;) The first one served www.midi-howto.com, damn easy! > > But you may also have it in /usr/share/doc/HOWTO > > Ciao It's not there, in fact there are few things there here, just installed this operating system... Thanks a lot anyway! Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange From gavin-stevens at gavmusic.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 12 19:15:46 2006 From: gavin-stevens at gavmusic.freeserve.co.uk (Gavin Stevens) Date: Thu Jan 12 19:12:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: New music In-Reply-To: <20060110135316.D539514B575@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060110135316.D539514B575@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060113001546.39359bef@gavmusic.gavmusic> Hi James & all, "Slumpy" is a nice track. Most enjoyable & with a happy vibe. Thanks for sharing, Gavin. > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:16:58 +0000 > From: james@dis-dot-dat.net > Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music > To: A list for linux audio users > Message-ID: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Now that LAU seems to be workign again... > > Hello all, > > I have some new music and new tracker ramblings at > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/01/music-delays-and-perl-nightmares.html > > The track uses a sample of railway station ambiance I found at > freesound, and some cycles taken from my own voice for the bass and > main synth. > > Comments, feedback and criticism are, as always, gratefully > received. Almost, anyway. You can't see if I sulk. > > James From smoak at mis.net Thu Jan 12 20:23:21 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Thu Jan 12 20:18:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] re: midi problems In-Reply-To: <1137097034.2370.46.camel@mindpipe> References: <200601081829.05568.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <87slrtv2vy.fsf@laymusic.org> <1137097034.2370.46.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200601122023.21663.smoak@mis.net> On Thursday 12 January 2006 15:17, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 11:15 -0500, Laura Conrad wrote: > > >>>>> "CL" == Clemens Ladisch writes: > > >> Jan 11 12:08:23 serpent modprobe: FATAL: Error > > >> inserting snd_seq_oss > > >> (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/sound/core/seq/oss/ > > >>snd-seq-oss.ko): Device or resource busy > > > > CL> What are the output of lsmod, and the contents of > > CL> /proc/asound/oss/devices? > > > > [come]# cat /proc/asound/oss/devices > > 2: [0- 2]: raw midi > > 12: [0-12]: digital audio > > 3: [0- 3]: digital audio > > 0: [0- 0]: mixer > > 13: [0-13]: raw midi > > [come]# > > You have a bunch of OSS modules loaded, don't do that: > > sound 80332 1 uart401 > uart401 11332 0 > ac97_codec 20108 0 > > Lee Pardon me, but what does that mean? From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jan 12 20:22:54 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jan 12 20:22:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] re: midi problems In-Reply-To: <200601122023.21663.smoak@mis.net> References: <200601081829.05568.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <87slrtv2vy.fsf@laymusic.org> <1137097034.2370.46.camel@mindpipe> <200601122023.21663.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <1137115374.2370.113.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 20:23 -0500, M P Smoak wrote: > On Thursday 12 January 2006 15:17, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 11:15 -0500, Laura Conrad wrote: > > > >>>>> "CL" == Clemens Ladisch writes: > > > >> Jan 11 12:08:23 serpent modprobe: FATAL: Error > > > >> inserting snd_seq_oss > > > >> (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/sound/core/seq/oss/ > > > >>snd-seq-oss.ko): Device or resource busy > > > > > > CL> What are the output of lsmod, and the contents of > > > CL> /proc/asound/oss/devices? > > > > > > [come]# cat /proc/asound/oss/devices > > > 2: [0- 2]: raw midi > > > 12: [0-12]: digital audio > > > 3: [0- 3]: digital audio > > > 0: [0- 0]: mixer > > > 13: [0-13]: raw midi > > > [come]# > > > > You have a bunch of OSS modules loaded, don't do that: > > > > sound 80332 1 uart401 > > uart401 11332 0 > > ac97_codec 20108 0 > > > > Lee > > Pardon me, but what does that mean? > OSS was the old sound system used before ALSA, it's incompatible with ALSA. Your distro's init scripts would not do this on their own, unless it's a truly ancient distro. Probably someone added "uart401" to the list of modules loaded in a misguided attempt to get MIDI working. Lee From smoak at mis.net Thu Jan 12 20:32:50 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Thu Jan 12 20:28:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <1137100284.2370.66.camel@mindpipe> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1137100284.2370.66.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200601122032.50261.smoak@mis.net> On Thursday 12 January 2006 16:11, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 15:51 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings; > > > > I have installed an Audigy 2 value board which is supposed > > to do midi according to the propaganda. > > > > Kernel is 2.6.15, with all revelant audio as modules and are > > modprobe.conf-iged in and showing in the lsmod listing which > > is quite bulky so I won't post that list. > > > > In kde's control center, under sound, the normal, .wav or > > .ogg based effects work rather nicely, but the midi test > > seems to be a total non performer. > > You have to load a soundfont using "asfxload". > > > 'cat'ing a .mid file to any of the 0- devices is either a no > > such device error, or returns silently in 1 second or less. > > That's not how ALSA MIDI works, you can't just cat a .mid file > to a device node. Use aplaymidi. > > Lee Speaking of aplaymidi, how do I pause a playback, back it up or just stop it, once it's playing. man aplaymidi tells me nothing. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jan 12 20:36:53 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jan 12 20:36:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <200601122032.50261.smoak@mis.net> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1137100284.2370.66.camel@mindpipe> <200601122032.50261.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <1137116214.2370.116.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 20:32 -0500, M P Smoak wrote: > On Thursday 12 January 2006 16:11, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 15:51 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Greetings; > > > > > > I have installed an Audigy 2 value board which is supposed > > > to do midi according to the propaganda. > > > > > > Kernel is 2.6.15, with all revelant audio as modules and are > > > modprobe.conf-iged in and showing in the lsmod listing which > > > is quite bulky so I won't post that list. > > > > > > In kde's control center, under sound, the normal, .wav or > > > .ogg based effects work rather nicely, but the midi test > > > seems to be a total non performer. > > > > You have to load a soundfont using "asfxload". > > > > > 'cat'ing a .mid file to any of the 0- devices is either a no > > > such device error, or returns silently in 1 second or less. > > > > That's not how ALSA MIDI works, you can't just cat a .mid file > > to a device node. Use aplaymidi. > > > > Lee > > Speaking of aplaymidi, how do I pause a playback Ctrl-Z > , back it up You can't do that > or > just stop it Ctrl-C > , once it's playing. man aplaymidi tells me nothing. > You need to get a sequencer if you want full featured MIDI playback, aplaymidi is just a simple utility, a toy basically. Lee From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Jan 12 20:48:54 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu Jan 12 20:48:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <1137100284.2370.66.camel@mindpipe> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1137100284.2370.66.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200601122048.54638.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 12 January 2006 16:11, Lee Revell wrote: >On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 15:51 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: >> Greetings; >> >> I have installed an Audigy 2 value board which is supposed to do >> midi according to the propaganda. >> >> Kernel is 2.6.15, with all revelant audio as modules and are >> modprobe.conf-iged in and showing in the lsmod listing which is >> quite bulky so I won't post that list. >> >> In kde's control center, under sound, the normal, .wav or .ogg based >> effects work rather nicely, but the midi test seems to be a total >> non performer. > >You have to load a soundfont using "asfxload". > >> 'cat'ing a .mid file to any of the 0- devices is either a no >> such device error, or returns silently in 1 second or less. > >That's not how ALSA MIDI works, you can't just cat a .mid file to a >device node. Use aplaymidi. > So I've now been told. And I haven't tried aplaymidi yet because kmid works well ince I'd used sfxload to intall a soundfont, the big one on the Audigy drivers cd. Thanks, Lee. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Jan 12 20:49:52 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu Jan 12 20:49:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <200601122032.50261.smoak@mis.net> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1137100284.2370.66.camel@mindpipe> <200601122032.50261.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <200601122049.52927.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 12 January 2006 20:32, M P Smoak wrote: >On Thursday 12 January 2006 16:11, Lee Revell wrote: >> On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 15:51 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: >> > Greetings; >> > >> > I have installed an Audigy 2 value board which is supposed >> > to do midi according to the propaganda. >> > >> > Kernel is 2.6.15, with all revelant audio as modules and are >> > modprobe.conf-iged in and showing in the lsmod listing which >> > is quite bulky so I won't post that list. >> > >> > In kde's control center, under sound, the normal, .wav or >> > .ogg based effects work rather nicely, but the midi test >> > seems to be a total non performer. >> >> You have to load a soundfont using "asfxload". >> >> > 'cat'ing a .mid file to any of the 0- devices is either a no >> > such device error, or returns silently in 1 second or less. >> >> That's not how ALSA MIDI works, you can't just cat a .mid file >> to a device node. Use aplaymidi. >> >> Lee > >Speaking of aplaymidi, how do I pause a playback, back it up or >just stop it, once it's playing. man aplaymidi tells me nothing. If you have kde, try kmid, it works for all that. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From smoak at mis.net Thu Jan 12 21:08:12 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Thu Jan 12 21:03:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <1137116214.2370.116.camel@mindpipe> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200601122032.50261.smoak@mis.net> <1137116214.2370.116.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200601122108.12559.smoak@mis.net> On Thursday 12 January 2006 20:36, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 20:32 -0500, M P Smoak wrote: > > On Thursday 12 January 2006 16:11, Lee Revell wrote: > > > That's not how ALSA MIDI works, you can't just cat a .mid > > > file to a device node. Use aplaymidi. > > > > > > Lee > > > > Speaking of aplaymidi, how do I pause a playback > > Ctrl-Z > How do I restart it? > > , back it up > > You can't do that > I guess I can't forward either? > > or > > just stop it > > Ctrl-C > Elegant in it's simplicity. > > , once it's playing. man aplaymidi tells me nothing. > > You need to get a sequencer if you want full featured MIDI > playback, aplaymidi is just a simple utility, a toy basically. > > Lee You mean to say that to play back a midi filed with pause, back up or forward, I need to use a sequencer? You're saying that there is no midi player in linux that allows the simple controls of a tape player? I'm running rh9/planet ccrma, I can't find a player there. I figured that's because I'm a slowhead. Is there none? Is there a midi file player for the 2.6 kernal, fc?? kernel? If there's nothing, I'm starting to think linux is real weak on midi playback. By the way, could you comment on my recent question on tuning a midi keyboard? From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 21:13:24 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Jan 12 21:13:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <200601122108.12559.smoak@mis.net> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200601122032.50261.smoak@mis.net> <1137116214.2370.116.camel@mindpipe> <200601122108.12559.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0601121813h42bd828dx72d2b33b1d74bdd4@mail.gmail.com> On 1/12/06, M P Smoak wrote: > > You mean to say that to play back a midi filed with pause, back > up or forward, I need to use a sequencer? > > You're saying that there is no midi player in linux that allows > the simple controls of a tape player? > > I'm running rh9/planet ccrma, I can't find a player there. I > figured that's because I'm a slowhead. Is there none? > > Is there a midi file player for the 2.6 kernal, fc?? kernel? > > If there's nothing, I'm starting to think linux is real weak > on midi playback. > > By the way, could you comment on my recent question on tuning > a midi keyboard? Rosegarden? Muse? - Mark From smoak at mis.net Thu Jan 12 21:19:43 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Thu Jan 12 21:14:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <200601122049.52927.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200601122032.50261.smoak@mis.net> <200601122049.52927.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200601122119.43043.smoak@mis.net> On Thursday 12 January 2006 20:49, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 12 January 2006 20:32, M P Smoak wrote: > >On Thursday 12 January 2006 16:11, Lee Revell wrote: > >> On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 15:51 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> > Greetings; > >> > > >> > I have installed an Audigy 2 value board which is > >> > supposed to do midi according to the propaganda. > >> > > >> > Kernel is 2.6.15, with all revelant audio as modules and > >> > are modprobe.conf-iged in and showing in the lsmod > >> > listing which is quite bulky so I won't post that list. > >> > > >> > In kde's control center, under sound, the normal, .wav or > >> > .ogg based effects work rather nicely, but the midi test > >> > seems to be a total non performer. > >> > >> You have to load a soundfont using "asfxload". > >> > >> > 'cat'ing a .mid file to any of the 0- devices is either a > >> > no such device error, or returns silently in 1 second or > >> > less. > >> > >> That's not how ALSA MIDI works, you can't just cat a .mid > >> file to a device node. Use aplaymidi. > >> > >> Lee > > > >Speaking of aplaymidi, how do I pause a playback, back it up > > or just stop it, once it's playing. man aplaymidi tells me > > nothing. > > If you have kde, try kmid, it works for all that. No joy: kmid /home/marv/Marv/enchanted-island.mid KMid 2.0 Copyright (C) 1997,98,99,2000,01 Antonio Larrosa Jimenez. Malaga (Spain) KMid comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details view file COPYING This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions Sorry, this KMid version was compiled without ALSA support but you're using ALSA . Please compile KMid for yourself or tell the people at your Linux distribution to compile it themselves Player :: There are no midi ports ! I'm running planetccrma/rh9. From smoak at mis.net Thu Jan 12 21:23:12 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Thu Jan 12 21:18:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0601121813h42bd828dx72d2b33b1d74bdd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200601122108.12559.smoak@mis.net> <5bdc1c8b0601121813h42bd828dx72d2b33b1d74bdd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200601122123.12258.smoak@mis.net> On Thursday 12 January 2006 21:13, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 1/12/06, M P Smoak wrote: > > You mean to say that to play back a midi filed with pause, > > back up or forward, I need to use a sequencer? > > > > You're saying that there is no midi player in linux that > > allows the simple controls of a tape player? > > > > I'm running rh9/planet ccrma, I can't find a player there. I > > figured that's because I'm a slowhead. Is there none? > > > > Is there a midi file player for the 2.6 kernal, fc?? kernel? > > > > If there's nothing, I'm starting to think linux is real weak > > on midi playback. > > > > By the way, could you comment on my recent question on > > tuning a midi keyboard? > > Rosegarden? > Muse? > > - Mark I need to run a sequencer to tune? Doesn't that seem a bit odd? From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 21:22:14 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Jan 12 21:22:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <200601122123.12258.smoak@mis.net> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200601122108.12559.smoak@mis.net> <5bdc1c8b0601121813h42bd828dx72d2b33b1d74bdd4@mail.gmail.com> <200601122123.12258.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0601121822p7a9d049cj2cbef6fc01121cf6@mail.gmail.com> On 1/12/06, M P Smoak wrote: > On Thursday 12 January 2006 21:13, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > By the way, could you comment on my recent question on > > > tuning a midi keyboard? > > > > Rosegarden? > > Muse? > > > > - Mark > > I need to run a sequencer to tune? Doesn't that seem a bit odd? Sorry - I didn't think I was responding to that question as much as to your comment about playing MIDI. Can you not tune the keyboard/synth in it's own domain? Why use MIDI at all? Or is this a sound module? If so you need either a keyboard driving it directly or a sequencer making it play notes. I hope I'm not misunderstanding your need here. I didn't pay attention to the earliest part of this thread. Cheers, Mark From smoak at mis.net Thu Jan 12 21:43:48 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Thu Jan 12 21:39:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0601121822p7a9d049cj2cbef6fc01121cf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200601122123.12258.smoak@mis.net> <5bdc1c8b0601121822p7a9d049cj2cbef6fc01121cf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200601122143.48482.smoak@mis.net> On Thursday 12 January 2006 21:22, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 1/12/06, M P Smoak wrote: > > On Thursday 12 January 2006 21:13, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > By the way, could you comment on my recent question on > > > > tuning a midi keyboard? > > > > > > Rosegarden? > > > Muse? > > > > > > - Mark > > > > I need to run a sequencer to tune? Doesn't that seem a bit > > odd? > > Sorry - I didn't think I was responding to that question as > much as to your comment about playing MIDI. Can you not tune > the keyboard/synth in it's own domain? Why use MIDI at all? Or > is this a sound module? If so you need either a keyboard > driving it directly or a sequencer making it play notes. > > I hope I'm not misunderstanding your need here. I didn't pay > attention to the earliest part of this thread. > > Cheers, > Mark Have a look at my post "Midi tuning control" on the 10th of this month. Any help on that simple need will be greatly appreciated. Marv From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Jan 12 21:47:25 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu Jan 12 21:47:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <200601122108.12559.smoak@mis.net> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1137116214.2370.116.camel@mindpipe> <200601122108.12559.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <200601122147.25322.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 12 January 2006 21:08, M P Smoak wrote: >On Thursday 12 January 2006 20:36, Lee Revell wrote: >> On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 20:32 -0500, M P Smoak wrote: >> > On Thursday 12 January 2006 16:11, Lee Revell wrote: > > > >> > > That's not how ALSA MIDI works, you can't just cat a .mid >> > > file to a device node. Use aplaymidi. >> > > >> > > Lee >> > >> > Speaking of aplaymidi, how do I pause a playback >> >> Ctrl-Z > >How do I restart it? > >> > , back it up >> >> You can't do that > >I guess I can't forward either? > >> > or >> > just stop it >> >> Ctrl-C > >Elegant in it's simplicity. > >> > , once it's playing. man aplaymidi tells me nothing. >> >> You need to get a sequencer if you want full featured MIDI >> playback, aplaymidi is just a simple utility, a toy basically. >> >> Lee > >You mean to say that to play back a midi filed with pause, back >up or forward, I need to use a sequencer? > >You're saying that there is no midi player in linux that allows >the simple controls of a tape player? > >I'm running rh9/planet ccrma, I can't find a player there. I >figured that's because I'm a slowhead. Is there none? > >Is there a midi file player for the 2.6 kernal, fc?? kernel? > >If there's nothing, I'm starting to think linux is real weak >on midi playback. > If you have kde installed, take a look at kmid. >By the way, could you comment on my recent question on tuning >a midi keyboard? Its probably more accurate than the piano tuners tuning forks if its had any fine tuning done reset back to no corrections. The crystals used as the reference generators are typically better than .001% accurate and you can tune the piano/whatever to the keyboard with good confidence that you are at least as correct as the tuning fork the piano tuner used to use. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From smoak at mis.net Thu Jan 12 22:08:55 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Thu Jan 12 22:04:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <200601122147.25322.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200601122108.12559.smoak@mis.net> <200601122147.25322.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200601122208.55061.smoak@mis.net> On Thursday 12 January 2006 21:47, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 12 January 2006 21:08, M P Smoak wrote: > >On Thursday 12 January 2006 20:36, Lee Revell wrote: > >> On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 20:32 -0500, M P Smoak wrote: > >> > On Thursday 12 January 2006 16:11, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > That's not how ALSA MIDI works, you can't just cat a > >> > > .mid file to a device node. Use aplaymidi. > >> > > > >> > > Lee > >> > > >> > Speaking of aplaymidi, how do I pause a playback > >> > >> Ctrl-Z > > > >How do I restart it? > > > >> > , back it up > >> > >> You can't do that > > > >I guess I can't forward either? > > > >> > or > >> > just stop it > >> > >> Ctrl-C > > > >Elegant in it's simplicity. > > > >> > , once it's playing. man aplaymidi tells me nothing. > >> > >> You need to get a sequencer if you want full featured MIDI > >> playback, aplaymidi is just a simple utility, a toy > >> basically. > >> > >> Lee > > > >You mean to say that to play back a midi filed with pause, > > back up or forward, I need to use a sequencer? > > > >You're saying that there is no midi player in linux that > > allows the simple controls of a tape player? > > > >I'm running rh9/planet ccrma, I can't find a player there. I > >figured that's because I'm a slowhead. Is there none? > > > >Is there a midi file player for the 2.6 kernal, fc?? kernel? > > > >If there's nothing, I'm starting to think linux is real weak > >on midi playback. > > If you have kde installed, take a look at kmid. > > >By the way, could you comment on my recent question on tuning > >a midi keyboard? > > Its probably more accurate than the piano tuners tuning forks > if its had any fine tuning done reset back to no corrections. > The crystals used as the reference generators are typically > better than .001% accurate and you can tune the piano/whatever > to the keyboard with good confidence that you are at least as > correct as the tuning fork the piano tuner used to use. Please see my post on 2006-01-10 subject Midi tuning control. Thanks. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jan 12 22:10:24 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jan 12 22:10:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <200601122208.55061.smoak@mis.net> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200601122108.12559.smoak@mis.net> <200601122147.25322.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200601122208.55061.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <1137121825.7904.0.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 22:08 -0500, M P Smoak wrote: > On Thursday 12 January 2006 21:47, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Thursday 12 January 2006 21:08, M P Smoak wrote: > > >On Thursday 12 January 2006 20:36, Lee Revell wrote: > > >> On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 20:32 -0500, M P Smoak wrote: > > >> > On Thursday 12 January 2006 16:11, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > That's not how ALSA MIDI works, you can't just cat a > > >> > > .mid file to a device node. Use aplaymidi. > > >> > > > > >> > > Lee > > >> > > > >> > Speaking of aplaymidi, how do I pause a playback > > >> > > >> Ctrl-Z > > > > > >How do I restart it? > > > > > >> > , back it up > > >> > > >> You can't do that > > > > > >I guess I can't forward either? > > > > > >> > or > > >> > just stop it > > >> > > >> Ctrl-C > > > > > >Elegant in it's simplicity. > > > > > >> > , once it's playing. man aplaymidi tells me nothing. > > >> > > >> You need to get a sequencer if you want full featured MIDI > > >> playback, aplaymidi is just a simple utility, a toy > > >> basically. > > >> > > >> Lee > > > > > >You mean to say that to play back a midi filed with pause, > > > back up or forward, I need to use a sequencer? > > > > > >You're saying that there is no midi player in linux that > > > allows the simple controls of a tape player? > > > > > >I'm running rh9/planet ccrma, I can't find a player there. I > > >figured that's because I'm a slowhead. Is there none? > > > > > >Is there a midi file player for the 2.6 kernal, fc?? kernel? > > > > > >If there's nothing, I'm starting to think linux is real weak > > >on midi playback. > > > > If you have kde installed, take a look at kmid. > > > > >By the way, could you comment on my recent question on tuning > > >a midi keyboard? > > > > Its probably more accurate than the piano tuners tuning forks > > if its had any fine tuning done reset back to no corrections. > > The crystals used as the reference generators are typically > > better than .001% accurate and you can tune the piano/whatever > > to the keyboard with good confidence that you are at least as > > correct as the tuning fork the piano tuner used to use. > > Please see my post on 2006-01-10 subject Midi tuning control. > Thanks. > > Did you not see Tim Hall's response? Lee From smoak at mis.net Thu Jan 12 22:35:17 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Thu Jan 12 22:30:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <1137121825.7904.0.camel@mindpipe> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200601122208.55061.smoak@mis.net> <1137121825.7904.0.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200601122235.17875.smoak@mis.net> On Thursday 12 January 2006 22:10, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 22:08 -0500, M P Smoak wrote: > > On Thursday 12 January 2006 21:47, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Thursday 12 January 2006 21:08, M P Smoak wrote: > > > >On Thursday 12 January 2006 20:36, Lee Revell wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 20:32 -0500, M P Smoak wrote: > > > >> > On Thursday 12 January 2006 16:11, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > That's not how ALSA MIDI works, you can't just cat > > > >> > > a .mid file to a device node. Use aplaymidi. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Lee > > > >> > > > > >> > Speaking of aplaymidi, how do I pause a playback > > > >> > > > >> Ctrl-Z > > > > > > > >How do I restart it? > > > > > > > >> > , back it up > > > >> > > > >> You can't do that > > > > > > > >I guess I can't forward either? > > > > > > > >> > or > > > >> > just stop it > > > >> > > > >> Ctrl-C > > > > > > > >Elegant in it's simplicity. > > > > > > > >> > , once it's playing. man aplaymidi tells me nothing. > > > >> > > > >> You need to get a sequencer if you want full featured > > > >> MIDI playback, aplaymidi is just a simple utility, a > > > >> toy basically. > > > >> > > > >> Lee > > > > > > > >You mean to say that to play back a midi filed with > > > > pause, back up or forward, I need to use a sequencer? > > > > > > > >You're saying that there is no midi player in linux that > > > > allows the simple controls of a tape player? > > > > > > > >I'm running rh9/planet ccrma, I can't find a player > > > > there. I figured that's because I'm a slowhead. Is there > > > > none? > > > > > > > >Is there a midi file player for the 2.6 kernal, fc?? > > > > kernel? > > > > > > > >If there's nothing, I'm starting to think linux is real > > > > weak on midi playback. > > > > > > If you have kde installed, take a look at kmid. > > > > > > >By the way, could you comment on my recent question on > > > > tuning a midi keyboard? > > > > > > Its probably more accurate than the piano tuners tuning > > > forks if its had any fine tuning done reset back to no > > > corrections. The crystals used as the reference generators > > > are typically better than .001% accurate and you can tune > > > the piano/whatever to the keyboard with good confidence > > > that you are at least as correct as the tuning fork the > > > piano tuner used to use. > > > > Please see my post on 2006-01-10 subject Midi tuning > > control. Thanks. > > Did you not see Tim Hall's response? > > Lee Yes, and I'm trying to compose a reply; briefly I don't need microtuning for special scales. I need a tuning slider. Is that so much to ask. And I don't prefer to run a sequencer or soft synth to get it. Thanks for you interest; I'm a bit po'ed about life-in-general tonight and a bit into the scotch. But I do think I'm needing things that a musician/desktop user needs. Players, tuners don't seem like rocket science to me. Again thanks. (ps I'm getting an audigiy card and upgrading to planetccrma/fc? "some time soon" (so say the guy who's helping me with the new machine) From groups at xscd.com Thu Jan 12 22:38:40 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Thu Jan 12 22:38:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: New music In-Reply-To: <20060113001546.39359bef@gavmusic.gavmusic> References: <20060110135316.D539514B575@music.columbia.edu> <20060113001546.39359bef@gavmusic.gavmusic> Message-ID: <20060113033840.GG3887@xscd.com> On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:15:46AM +0000, Gavin Stevens wrote: > Hi James & all, > "Slumpy" is a nice track. Most enjoyable & with a happy vibe. > Thanks for sharing, > Gavin. Wow, it sure *is* nice. Thanks James. I have really enjoyed Gavin's music as well. I'm having so much fun learning how to use Ardour. What a great program. Thanks Paul and all the developers of Ardour and Jamin and qjackctl (and jack)--and Steve Harris and Tom Szilagyi for their great plugins, and--and everyone who has supplied such great tools for us audio and music people who like to steer away from that other ubiquitous OS. Thorsten, I'm about one-third to half finished with my work on your percussion track. Lots of fun. At first I didn't think I would be able to come up with anything--kind of like writer's block for a composer. But I sat down at the piano and listened to your track over and over, let it sink in, and sounds, melodies and harmonies began to suggest themselves. Although I have created about half of the music necessary to accompany your track, I still don't know if I'll be able to think of anything appropriate or good-sounding for the rest. My "well of creativity" could dry up at any time, but it's fun while it lasts. ;-) -sd James S. had written: > > I have some new music and new tracker ramblings at > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/01/music-delays-and-perl-nightmares.html -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Actual political quote-- "I resent your insinuendoes." ---------------------------------------------------------------- From vroetman at myrealbox.com Thu Jan 12 22:38:34 2006 From: vroetman at myrealbox.com (Victor Roetman) Date: Thu Jan 12 22:39:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE and MIDI Message-ID: <43C720BA.8050301@myrealbox.com> How can I get my WINE applications to see my alsa MIDI ports? I have read some reports of people using Band-in-a-Box and Jammer with WINE, with varied success. I wanted to try using several of my Windows MIDI apps (Jammer, OneManBand, some synth editors) under WINE, but when I am able to get the application to work, it says there are no MIDI devices available, except the MIDI mapper for output, which seems to do nothing for me. How can I get these applications to see a MIDI input and MIDI output port that I can route to somewhere useful? Thanks. vic -- -= =- vroetman@myrealbox.com -= =- From smoak at mis.net Thu Jan 12 23:09:31 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Thu Jan 12 23:04:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Apology Message-ID: <200601122309.31155.smoak@mis.net> I usually don't say much 'round here. Tonight I said a bit. Maybe too much. Well, like Leon said, "the firewaters not the villain". We got a group together here right now that cooking. Playin' the realbook. and folk composing. and me recording. and me not able to get any of it for you folks to hear cause of 'copyright concerns'. and last weekend, Joe brought in a tape. an out of tune tape. sounded real good and we worked on it. but I ditched the keyboard and went to alto sax. it's easy to tune; kb is impossible now. (kb pitchbend has a spring; i'm not ripping into the kb to take it out (but I'm tempted0)). And that reminds me of using aplaymidi and ctrl-whatever to play midi file. And how I really like linux but how could I reccomend it to one of the folks I play with. I've probably said too much, so i continue with this apology. Marv From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jan 12 23:16:03 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jan 12 23:16:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Apology In-Reply-To: <200601122309.31155.smoak@mis.net> References: <200601122309.31155.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <1137125763.9383.1.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 23:09 -0500, M P Smoak wrote: > I usually don't say much 'round here. Tonight I said a bit. > Maybe too much. Well, like Leon said, "the firewaters not > the villain". We got a group together here right now that > cooking. Playin' the realbook. and folk composing. and me > recording. and me not able to get any of it for you folks > to hear cause of 'copyright concerns'. > > and last weekend, Joe brought in a tape. an out of tune > tape. sounded real good and we worked on it. but I ditched > the keyboard and went to alto sax. it's easy to tune; kb > is impossible now. (kb pitchbend has a spring; i'm not > ripping into the kb to take it out (but I'm tempted0)). > > And that reminds me of using aplaymidi and ctrl-whatever > to play midi file. And how I really like linux but how > could I reccomend it to one of the folks I play with. > > I've probably said too much, so i continue with this > apology. Sorry, I think I just misunderstood. aplaymidi is really just for testing, it's not meant for serious use. For regular MIDI playback, like Gene said, kmid is probably the best option. As for the tuning slider, you are saying you want to be able to tune the SBLive's synth? That's not supported unfortunately. Lee From smoak at MIS.NET Thu Jan 12 23:34:05 2006 From: smoak at MIS.NET (M P Smoak) Date: Thu Jan 12 23:30:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Apology In-Reply-To: <1137125763.9383.1.camel@mindpipe> References: <200601122309.31155.smoak@mis.net> <1137125763.9383.1.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200601122334.05301.smoak@mis.net> On Thursday 12 January 2006 23:16, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 23:09 -0500, M P Smoak wrote: > > I usually don't say much 'round here. Tonight I said a bit. > > Maybe too much. Well, like Leon said, "the firewaters not > > the villain". We got a group together here right now that > > cooking. Playin' the realbook. and folk composing. and me > > recording. and me not able to get any of it for you folks > > to hear cause of 'copyright concerns'. > > > > and last weekend, Joe brought in a tape. an out of tune > > tape. sounded real good and we worked on it. but I ditched > > the keyboard and went to alto sax. it's easy to tune; kb > > is impossible now. (kb pitchbend has a spring; i'm not > > ripping into the kb to take it out (but I'm tempted0)). > > > > And that reminds me of using aplaymidi and ctrl-whatever > > to play midi file. And how I really like linux but how > > could I reccomend it to one of the folks I play with. > > > > I've probably said too much, so i continue with this > > apology. > > Sorry, I think I just misunderstood. > > aplaymidi is really just for testing, it's not meant for > serious use. > > For regular MIDI playback, like Gene said, kmid is probably > the best option. > > As for the tuning slider, you are saying you want to be able > to tune the SBLive's synth? That's not supported > unfortunately. > > Lee Lee, please forgive me, but it must be somehow. I can use the pitchbend weel and get it in tune. So the kb doen't have a tuning slider; can't linux give me a slider? I mean it's a (sblive) midi synth that understands midi pitch shift . I don't really understand midi, but I think I know that pitch shift ain't missing. Again thanks (and I do think this must be of interest to others) Marv From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jan 12 23:52:24 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jan 12 23:52:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Apology In-Reply-To: <200601122334.05301.smoak@mis.net> References: <200601122309.31155.smoak@mis.net> <1137125763.9383.1.camel@mindpipe> <200601122334.05301.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <1137127944.9383.4.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 23:34 -0500, M P Smoak wrote: > On Thursday 12 January 2006 23:16, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 23:09 -0500, M P Smoak wrote: > > > I usually don't say much 'round here. Tonight I said a bit. > > > Maybe too much. Well, like Leon said, "the firewaters not > > > the villain". We got a group together here right now that > > > cooking. Playin' the realbook. and folk composing. and me > > > recording. and me not able to get any of it for you folks > > > to hear cause of 'copyright concerns'. > > > > > > and last weekend, Joe brought in a tape. an out of tune > > > tape. sounded real good and we worked on it. but I ditched > > > the keyboard and went to alto sax. it's easy to tune; kb > > > is impossible now. (kb pitchbend has a spring; i'm not > > > ripping into the kb to take it out (but I'm tempted0)). > > > > > > And that reminds me of using aplaymidi and ctrl-whatever > > > to play midi file. And how I really like linux but how > > > could I reccomend it to one of the folks I play with. > > > > > > I've probably said too much, so i continue with this > > > apology. > > > > Sorry, I think I just misunderstood. > > > > aplaymidi is really just for testing, it's not meant for > > serious use. > > > > For regular MIDI playback, like Gene said, kmid is probably > > the best option. > > > > As for the tuning slider, you are saying you want to be able > > to tune the SBLive's synth? That's not supported > > unfortunately. > > > > Lee > > Lee, please forgive me, but it must be somehow. I can use the > pitchbend weel and get it in tune. So the kb doen't have a > tuning slider; can't linux give me a slider? I mean it's a > (sblive) midi synth that understands midi pitch shift . I > don't really understand midi, but I think I know that pitch > shift ain't missing. > > Again thanks (and I do think this must be of interest to others) I just meant the driver currently does not have one, but you are right, that could probably be implemented easily. I'll ask on the ALSA list. Lee From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Jan 13 02:52:15 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Jan 13 02:46:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: New music In-Reply-To: <20060113001546.39359bef@gavmusic.gavmusic> References: <20060110135316.D539514B575@music.columbia.edu> <20060113001546.39359bef@gavmusic.gavmusic> Message-ID: <20060113075215.GN17646@phlunky.Belkin> On Fri, 13 Jan, 2006 at 12:15AM +0000, Gavin Stevens spake thus: > Hi James & all, > > "Slumpy" is a nice track. Most enjoyable & with a happy vibe. > > Thanks for sharing, Thanks for listening. > Gavin. > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:16:58 +0000 > > From: james@dis-dot-dat.net > > Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music > > To: A list for linux audio users > > Message-ID: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Now that LAU seems to be workign again... > > > > Hello all, > > > > I have some new music and new tracker ramblings at > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/01/music-delays-and-perl-nightmares.html > > > > The track uses a sample of railway station ambiance I found at > > freesound, and some cycles taken from my own voice for the bass and > > main synth. > > > > Comments, feedback and criticism are, as always, gratefully > > received. Almost, anyway. You can't see if I sulk. > > > > James > > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Jan 13 03:40:37 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Jan 13 03:40:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Apology In-Reply-To: <200601122334.05301.smoak@mis.net> References: <200601122309.31155.smoak@mis.net> <1137125763.9383.1.camel@mindpipe> <200601122334.05301.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <1137141637.43c76785d990b@webmail.uni-halle.de> M P Smoak wrote: > On Thursday 12 January 2006 23:16, Lee Revell wrote: > > As for the tuning slider, you are saying you want to be able > > to tune the SBLive's synth? That's not supported > > unfortunately. > > Lee, please forgive me, but it must be somehow. I can use the > pitchbend weel and get it in tune. So the kb doen't have a > tuning slider; can't linux give me a slider? I mean it's a > (sblive) midi synth that understands midi pitch shift. The pitch bend control is supported. ALSA sequencer ports can be opened by more than one application, so you can send it from any program you like. If you want to automate this, 1) load the snd-virmidi module, 2) use aconnect to connect one of the virmidi ports to the wavetable port, 3) use amidi to send a pitch bend command to the virmidi port, e.g.: amidi -p hw:... -S "E0 12 34" (use "amidi -l" to see what the port name is). HTH Clemens From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Jan 13 05:36:26 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Jan 13 05:30:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: New music In-Reply-To: <20060113033840.GG3887@xscd.com> References: <20060110135316.D539514B575@music.columbia.edu> <20060113001546.39359bef@gavmusic.gavmusic> <20060113033840.GG3887@xscd.com> Message-ID: <20060113103625.GA7820@phlunky.Belkin> On Thu, 12 Jan, 2006 at 08:38PM -0700, Steve D spake thus: > On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:15:46AM +0000, Gavin Stevens wrote: > > Hi James & all, > > "Slumpy" is a nice track. Most enjoyable & with a happy vibe. > > Thanks for sharing, > > Gavin. > > Wow, it sure *is* nice. Thanks James. Thanks > I have really enjoyed Gavin's music as well. > > I'm having so much fun learning how to use Ardour. What a great program. > Thanks Paul and all the developers of Ardour and Jamin and qjackctl (and > jack)--and Steve Harris and Tom Szilagyi for their great plugins, > and--and everyone who has supplied such great tools for us audio > and music people who like to steer away from that other ubiquitous OS. > > Thorsten, I'm about one-third to half finished with my work on your > percussion track. Lots of fun. At first I didn't think I would be able > to come up with anything--kind of like writer's block for a composer. > But I sat down at the piano and listened to your track over and over, > let it sink in, and sounds, melodies and harmonies began to suggest > themselves. Although I have created about half of the music necessary to > accompany your track, I still don't know if I'll be able to think of > anything appropriate or good-sounding for the rest. My "well of > creativity" could dry up at any time, but it's fun while it lasts. ;-) > > -sd > > James S. had written: > > > I have some new music and new tracker ramblings at > > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/01/music-delays-and-perl-nightmares.html > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From tuimonen at cc.hut.fi Fri Jan 13 06:06:32 2006 From: tuimonen at cc.hut.fi (Tommi Sakari Uimonen) Date: Fri Jan 13 06:06:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE and MIDI In-Reply-To: <43C720BA.8050301@myrealbox.com> References: <43C720BA.8050301@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: > How can I get my WINE applications to see my alsa MIDI ports? > > I have read some reports of people using Band-in-a-Box and Jammer with > WINE, with varied success. I wanted to try using several of my Windows > MIDI apps (Jammer, OneManBand, some synth editors) under WINE, but when > I am able to get the application to work, it says there are no MIDI > devices available, except the MIDI mapper for output, which seems to do > nothing for me. How can I get these applications to see a MIDI input > and MIDI output port that I can route to somewhere useful? Just yesterday I successfully used BuzzTracker with midi output to ZynAddSubFx. Nothing shiny though, most of the events were lost although the timing was accurate, ie. no shuffle. Buzz did not see Zyn, but it shows Midi through port 0 and my soundcard's midi out. I selected the through port and used qjackctl to connect it to Zyn. Do you have snd_seq_midi module loaded? Tommi From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Jan 13 08:31:27 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri Jan 13 08:31:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: New music In-Reply-To: <20060113103625.GA7820@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060110135316.D539514B575@music.columbia.edu> <20060113033840.GG3887@xscd.com> <20060113103625.GA7820@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <200601130831.27862.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 13 January 2006 05:36, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: >[...] >> >> James S. had written: >> > > I have some new music and new tracker ramblings at >> > > >> > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/01/music-delays-and-perl-nightm >> > >ares.html And I just pulled it my self, nice work James. Thanks. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Jan 13 09:21:23 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Jan 13 09:21:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Apology In-Reply-To: <200601122334.05301.smoak@mis.net> References: <200601122309.31155.smoak@mis.net> <1137125763.9383.1.camel@mindpipe> <200601122334.05301.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <200601131421.23513.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 13 January 2006 04:34, M P Smoak was like: > Lee, please forgive me, but it must be somehow. ?I can use the > pitchbend weel and get it in tune. ?So the kb doen't have a > tuning slider; can't linux give me a slider? ?I mean it's a > (sblive) midi synth that understands midi pitch shift . ?I > don't really understand midi, but I think I know that pitch > shift ain't missing. Pitch bend isn't really the same as pitch shift. Pitch shift needs to implemented by the synth engine or soundcard in this instance - and it _is_ missing in many cases. It should be possible to assign the pitchbend controller to a different hardware controller, but this involves getting your hands dirty. There is no nice UI for this - and really there should be. Please no-one consider this a fully formed feature request (yet) - I shall work on it, however. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Jan 13 09:26:32 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Jan 13 09:26:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <200601122108.12559.smoak@mis.net> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1137116214.2370.116.camel@mindpipe> <200601122108.12559.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <200601131426.32854.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 13 January 2006 02:08, M P Smoak was like: > You mean to say that to play back a midi filed with pause, back > up or forward, I need to use a sequencer? > > You're saying that there is no midi player in linux that allows > the simple controls of a tape player? Yes, because if it did that it would be a sequencer by definition. Most people use Timidity++ as their starting point. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Jan 13 10:43:32 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Jan 13 10:37:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: New music In-Reply-To: <200601130831.27862.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <20060110135316.D539514B575@music.columbia.edu> <20060113033840.GG3887@xscd.com> <20060113103625.GA7820@phlunky.Belkin> <200601130831.27862.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20060113154332.GA8387@phlunky.Belkin> On Fri, 13 Jan, 2006 at 08:31AM -0500, Gene Heskett spake thus: > On Friday 13 January 2006 05:36, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > >[...] > >> > >> James S. had written: > >> > > I have some new music and new tracker ramblings at > >> > > > >> > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/01/music-delays-and-perl-nightm > >> > >ares.html > > And I just pulled it my self, nice work James. Thanks. Ta! -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From lconrad at laymusic.org Fri Jan 13 11:42:19 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Fri Jan 13 11:42:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] re: midi problems In-Reply-To: <1137115374.2370.113.camel@mindpipe> (Lee Revell's message of "Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:22:54 -0500") References: <200601081829.05568.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <87slrtv2vy.fsf@laymusic.org> <1137097034.2370.46.camel@mindpipe> <200601122023.21663.smoak@mis.net> <1137115374.2370.113.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <878xtkt6z8.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "LR" == Lee Revell writes: LR> Your distro's init scripts would not do this on their own, unless it's a LR> truly ancient distro. Probably someone added "uart401" to the list of LR> modules loaded in a misguided attempt to get MIDI working. I'm pretty sure the distro's init scripts did it on their own. I certainly didn't do it. I believe what happens is that the knoppix hardware initialization finds all the oss stuff and adds it to /etc/modules (and /etc/modules.), and all the stuff from this gets modprobed *before* the hotplug stuff starts, so having all these OSS things on the hotplug blacklist (which current alsa versions do) doesn't actually prevent them from being loaded. I'd be happy to hear a better explanation from someone who actually knows how the Knoppix boot sequence works, but this is what I've deduced from several hours of watching my system boot. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Jan 13 11:48:16 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Jan 13 11:48:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <200601131426.32854.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200601122108.12559.smoak@mis.net> <200601131426.32854.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <200601131748.16979.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 13 January 2006 15:26, tim hall wrote: > On Friday 13 January 2006 02:08, M P Smoak was like: > > You mean to say that to play back a midi filed with pause, back > > up or forward, I need to use a sequencer? > > > > You're saying that there is no midi player in linux that allows > > the simple controls of a tape player? > > Yes, because if it did that it would be a sequencer by definition. Most > people use Timidity++ as their starting point. Hi Tim. This is sort of a reply to M P Smoak, but also a question to you. The reply: Kmid does work ok as a basic midiplayer, but only directly through your soundcard if you have a Creative card with EMU driver. You need to have a soundfont loaded on the card, the snd-emu10k1-synth module loaded, and make sure that in Kmids "Settings" / "Midi-setup" you have a route to one of the emu10k1 wavetable ports. It does crash now and then. The question: On FC1 I used to use Kmidi that used TiMidity, and that worked fine, but seems to have been dropped with the change to the 2.6 kernel. Do you know if there is a front end to TiMidity? The Sourceforge page for it shows a GUI, and there is also a link on that page to a Japanese site, from which I got a shell script for a GUI, but was not able to run it. Perhaps my own lack of knowledge, but will have another look at it. Any other suggestions for a GUI would be welcome. I did try installing from the tarball, but there are so many ./configure options for audio, and GUI's that I got quite lost. If you have a set of options that you know work with ./configure for FC2,3 I'd be very gratefull. Nigel. BTW. Theres another Icon attached below for Specimen. I don't think I've sent this already. it hasn't been sent to the author for approval, and is a bit (no offence) girly looking, colour wise, but is better than staring at a binary gear icon. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any other >suggestions for a GUI would be welcome. I did try installing from the >tarball, but there are so many ./configure options for audio, and GUI's that >I got quite lost. If you have a set of options that you know work >with ./configure for FC2,3 I'd be very gratefull. > 'man timidity' is your friend. See the -i option. On Marv's system TiMidity has been compiled to support only the GTK and Xaw graphic interfaces. However, both of those GUIs include the transport controls that Marv asked about. So for Marv's PlanetC RH9 : timidity -ig foo.mid or timidity -ia foo.mid Best, dp From lconrad at laymusic.org Fri Jan 13 12:38:27 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Fri Jan 13 12:38:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] re: midi problems In-Reply-To: <1137097034.2370.46.camel@mindpipe> (Lee Revell's message of "Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:17:14 -0500") References: <200601081829.05568.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <874q4ens2f.fsf@laymusic.org> <200601091501.08340.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <87y81mwtil.fsf_-_@laymusic.org> <1137081768.43c67da8bc59d@webmail.uni-halle.de> <87slrtv2vy.fsf@laymusic.org> <1137097034.2370.46.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <871wzct4do.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "LR" == Lee Revell writes: OK, now I have neither the modules you name, nor anything else from /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/linux-sound-base_noOSS. I am also booting with the alsa option, which I'm pretty sure I was doing the last time hardware MIDI worked. I have tried both with and without muting "" in alsamixer. 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I am also booting > with the alsa option, which I'm pretty sure I was doing the last time > hardware MIDI worked. I have tried both with and without muting " Live>" in alsamixer. I still get no sound from "aplaymidi -p 65:0 > " > > >> >>>>> "CL" == Clemens Ladisch writes: > > CL> What are the output of lsmod, and the contents of > CL> /proc/asound/oss/devices? > > [astronomers]# cat /proc/asound/oss/devices > 2: [0- 2]: raw midi > 12: [0-12]: digital audio > 3: [0- 3]: digital audio > 0: [0- 0]: mixer > 1: : sequencer > 8: : sequencer > 13: [0-13]: raw midi > [astronomers]# Did you make sure you don't have ld10k1 installed or running? I am really out of ideas here, this should Just Work, I have never heard of it not working. The code has not been changed in ages. Can you try a different machine, or Linux distro? Maybe it's a hardware problem? Try posting to the alsa-user list. Lee From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Jan 13 13:03:26 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Jan 13 13:03:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <43C7E363.1000100@woh.rr.com> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200601131748.16979.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <43C7E363.1000100@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200601131903.26449.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 13 January 2006 18:29, Dave Phillips wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > >Do you know if there is a front end to TiMidity? The Sourceforge page for > > it shows a GUI, and there is also a link on that page to a Japanese site, > > from which I got a shell script for a GUI, but was not able to run it. > > Perhaps my own lack of knowledge, but will have another look at it. Any > > other suggestions for a GUI would be welcome. I did try installing from > > the tarball, but there are so many ./configure options for audio, and > > GUI's that I got quite lost. If you have a set of options that you know > > work with ./configure for FC2,3 I'd be very gratefull. > > 'man timidity' is your friend. See the -i option. > > On Marv's system TiMidity has been compiled to support only the GTK and > Xaw graphic interfaces. However, both of those GUIs include the > transport controls that Marv asked about. > > So for Marv's PlanetC RH9 : > > timidity -ig foo.mid > > or > > timidity -ia foo.mid > > Best, > > dp Hi Dave. I had tried those options before on FC2, but trying them again, all I get back is. "Interface 'g' or 'a' is not compiled in. Weird. This is timidity++-2.11.3-9, installed via apt-get from planetccrma. I know TiMidity++-2.13 is now available, but cannot understand why GUI's havn't been compiled in. I will have another go at the tarball install. What I'm really looking for is a way of configuring TiMidity, so that I can then set up a desktop link to application, which will bring up a GUI similar to what I had with Kmidi, and can then load a midi file, and play it. Please don't get me wrong. I'm not afraid of the CLI. Running tools like oggenc, oggdec, etc, is no problem to me. It's just that playing music files, whether they are .ogg, .wav, .mid, or whatever, is just a bit more user friendly with a GUI than the CLI. I'm not giving up on this, as TiMidity is a really good synth, and you're not tied down to having to have a sound card that is capable of using soundfonts.. Thanks for the reply. Nigel. From lconrad at laymusic.org Fri Jan 13 14:25:20 2006 From: lconrad at laymusic.org (Laura Conrad) Date: Fri Jan 13 14:25:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] re: midi problems In-Reply-To: <1137175237.15108.21.camel@mindpipe> (Lee Revell's message of "Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:00:36 -0500") References: <200601081829.05568.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <874q4ens2f.fsf@laymusic.org> <200601091501.08340.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <87y81mwtil.fsf_-_@laymusic.org> <1137081768.43c67da8bc59d@webmail.uni-halle.de> <87slrtv2vy.fsf@laymusic.org> <1137097034.2370.46.camel@mindpipe> <871wzct4do.fsf@laymusic.org> <1137175237.15108.21.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <87slrsrkv3.fsf@laymusic.org> >>>>> "LR" == Lee Revell writes: LR> Did you make sure you don't have ld10k1 installed or running? You mean emu10k1? What's ld10k1? [astronomers]# lsmod | grep ld10k1 [astronomers]# ps auxww | grep ld10k1 lconrad 6462 0.0 0.2 4888 776 pts/1 S+ 14:16 0:00 grep ld10k1 [astronomers]# dpkg -l ld10k1 No packages found matching ld10k1. [astronomers]# slocate ld10k1 You have mail in /var/spool/mail/lconrad [astronomers]# LR> I am really out of ideas here, this should Just Work, I have LR> never heard of it not working. The code has not been changed LR> in ages. It seems to me that both this list and the rosegarden list are full of people who don't have this working. Some of them are "easy" fixes, but it certainly doesn't "Just Work" for a lot of people besides me. LR> Can you try a different machine, or Linux distro? Maybe it's LR> a hardware problem? I'll try booting the demudi-live disk on this machine. I think I tried it a couple of months ago, but my memory is vague about what I tried and what the results were. I'm getting a new laptop next week, and I'll certainly try demudi or something on that. But it's probably fast enough that it doesn't matter whether I get hardware MIDI working. This machine is the one with the good screen for publishing, and it would be good if it had good MIDI output for proofreading as well. Timidity at it's best has a lot of dropouts on this machine. LR> Try posting to the alsa-user list. Maybe. I found them an unpleasant bunch the last time I was reading it. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From km at km-it.de Fri Jan 13 14:59:49 2006 From: km at km-it.de (Konrad Mathieu) Date: Fri Jan 13 14:59:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio interface full duplex Message-ID: <200601131959.k0DJxgBJ027672@web.local> Hi, Konrad here, I am new to this list and about to build a serious linux box. We are planning to build a system that can send (serve) and receive mp3 streams at the same time using a multi channel interface such as an RME Hammerfall card. As I have about ten boxes running different flavours of linux but never even touched a graphical interface, I have gotten as far as running mplayer to receive one stereo feed and send it to an M-Audio Delta 44 from command line. I wonder if a) you can run several instances of mplayer and send their signals to separate outputs of the same I/O card and b) whether it's possible to run multiple shoutcast servers at the same time that get their audio from the inputs of that same card. I've heard of jackd but am not sure if it can do all this. The whole thing is meant to be run in a recording studio so it must be rather professional. Thanks very much for your comments and cheers, Konrad From fbar at footils.org Fri Jan 13 18:19:51 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Fri Jan 13 18:19:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio interface full duplex In-Reply-To: <200601131959.k0DJxgBJ027672@web.local> References: <200601131959.k0DJxgBJ027672@web.local> Message-ID: <20060113231951.GE10467@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Konrad Mathieu hat gesagt: // Konrad Mathieu wrote: > We are planning to build a system that can send (serve) and receive > mp3 streams at the same time using a multi channel interface such as > an RME Hammerfall card. > > As I have about ten boxes running different flavours of linux but > never even touched a graphical interface, I have gotten as far as > running mplayer to receive one stereo feed and send it to an M-Audio > Delta 44 from command line. > > I wonder if a) you can run several instances of mplayer and send > their signals to separate outputs of the same I/O card and It's possible to do this, either using ALSA's plugin configuration or, which may be easier, using jack, or better yet ... see below. > b) whether it's possible to run multiple shoutcast servers at the > same time that get their audio from the inputs of that same card. I don't know much about shoutcast, people tend to prefer icecast2 nowadays. An icecast server doesn't connect directly to the soundcard itself, you use a seperate client software to send audio data to the icecast server (called the "source client") or read an icecast stream and play it on a soundcard (the "listening client"). You can use multiple source and listening clients at the same time, that's most of the fun with streaming. See http://www.icecast.org/docs/icecast-2.3.1/icecast2_basicsetup.html for more details. You can use different clients for recording from different combinations of the soundcard's channels as well, again either using ALSA's plugins or jackd. Alternatively you can also use one source client, that can read from all channels at once and generates different streams to send to the icecast server. One software, that can do this, is the almighty Pure Data which you can use to read streams from an icecast2-server as well, so it would be an all in one solution to your task (and you can control it remotely using midi or networking as well, build custom GUIs etc...) Pd is, what I would use. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From bwanab+lau at juraview.com Sat Jan 14 07:30:51 2006 From: bwanab+lau at juraview.com (Bill Allen) Date: Sat Jan 14 07:30:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio interface full duplex In-Reply-To: <20060113231951.GE10467@fliwatut.scifi> References: <200601131959.k0DJxgBJ027672@web.local> <20060113231951.GE10467@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <43C8EEFB.8070000@juraview.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > >Pd is, what I would use. > > > Now, there's a surprise :) From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Jan 14 07:58:40 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Jan 14 07:58:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Next question re midi In-Reply-To: <200601131748.16979.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200601121551.07785.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200601131426.32854.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200601131748.16979.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <200601141258.41267.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 13 January 2006 16:48, Nigel Henry was like: > The question: On FC1 I used to use Kmidi that used TiMidity, and that > worked fine, but seems to have been dropped with the change to the 2.6 > kernel. Do you know if there is a front end to TiMidity? The Sourceforge > page for it shows a GUI, and there is also a link on that page to a > Japanese site, from which I got a shell script for a GUI, but was not able > to run it. Perhaps my own lack of knowledge, but will have another look at > it. Any other suggestions for a GUI would be welcome. I did try installing > from the tarball, but there are so many ./configure options for audio, and > GUI's that I got quite lost. If you have a set of options that you know > work > with ./configure for FC2,3 I'd be very gratefull. Nigel. Sure it does, several. man timidity ---- -i mode, --interface=mode --realtime-priority=n --sequencer-ports=n Selects the user interfaces from the compiled-in alternatives. mode must be begun with one of the supported interface identi- fiers. Run TiMidity++ with the -h option to see a list. For ALSA sequencer interface, optionally to use --realtime-pri- ority, set the realtime priority by n, and to use --sequencer-ports, set the number of opened sequencer ports. Default value is 4. The following identifiers may be available: -id dumb interface -in ncurses interface -is S-Lang interface -ia X Athena Widget interface -ik Tcl/Tk interface -im Motif interface -iT vt100 interface -ie Emacs interface (use ``M-x timidity'' in Emacs) -ii skin interface Environment variable TIMIDITY_SKIN must be set to the path of the skin data (compressed data are also sup- ported). -ig GTK+ interface -ir Launch TiMidity++ as MIDI server. -iA Launch TiMidity++ as ALSA sequencer client. -iW Windodws synthesizer interface -iw Windodws GUI interface -iP PortMIDI synthesizer interface -ip UMP interface ---- I tend to use the -ig interface. > BTW. Theres another Icon attached below for Specimen. I don't think I've > sent this already. it hasn't been sent to the author for approval, and is a > bit (no offence) girly looking, colour wise, but is better than staring at > a binary gear icon. I like the concept, bear in mind that Ipx wide lines in a 64x64 icon will disappear when it gets reduced to smaller sizes (as it inevitably does. I like the concept, but I would remove all the lettering and notes and perhaps just have a waveform in the specimen jar. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From fbar at footils.org Sat Jan 14 08:57:41 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Jan 14 08:57:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio interface full duplex In-Reply-To: <43C8EEFB.8070000@juraview.com> References: <200601131959.k0DJxgBJ027672@web.local> <20060113231951.GE10467@fliwatut.scifi> <43C8EEFB.8070000@juraview.com> Message-ID: <20060114135741.GG10467@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Bill Allen hat gesagt: // Bill Allen wrote: > Frank Barknecht wrote: > > > > >Pd is, what I would use. > > > Now, there's a surprise :) Yeah, guess not. ;) But I'm really not the only one using Pd for streaming. Unfortunatly the Pd streaming howto seems to be offline, but streaming with Pd is a very popular application of Pd, because it's so quick to do and can be customized easily for very different needs. E.g a basic streaming patch to do, what Konrad wants to do just takes a couple of minutes to whip together. It's attached (ogg-version). Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ -------------- next part -------------- #N canvas 0 0 812 397 10; #X obj 33 76 oggamp~; #X obj 33 109 dac~ 1 2; #X obj 36 155 oggamp~; #X msg 33 53 connect otherhost stream-other12.ogg 8000; #X msg 36 133 connect otherhost stream-other34.ogg 8000; #X obj 36 188 dac~ 3 4; #X obj 36 239 oggamp~; #X msg 36 217 connect otherhost stream-other56.ogg 8000; #X obj 36 272 dac~ 5 6; #X text 41 304 [...]; #X obj 485 101 oggcast~; #X obj 486 78 adc~ 1 2; #X msg 451 53 connect localhost stream12.ogg 8000; #X obj 489 180 oggcast~; #X obj 472 262 oggcast~; #X text 485 308 [...]; #X obj 489 157 adc~ 3 4; #X obj 473 239 adc~ 5 6; #X msg 455 132 connect localhost stream34.ogg 8000; #X msg 438 214 connect localhost stream56.ogg 8000; #X text 452 18 Recording and sending to a stream (source clients); #X text 37 19 Reading and playing streams (listening clients); #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 0 1 1 1; #X connect 2 0 5 0; #X connect 2 1 5 1; #X connect 3 0 0 0; #X connect 4 0 2 0; #X connect 6 0 8 0; #X connect 6 1 8 1; #X connect 7 0 6 0; #X connect 11 0 10 0; #X connect 11 1 10 1; #X connect 12 0 10 0; #X connect 16 0 13 0; #X connect 16 1 13 1; #X connect 17 0 14 0; #X connect 17 1 14 1; #X connect 18 0 13 0; #X connect 19 0 14 0; From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sat Jan 14 09:30:27 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sat Jan 14 09:31:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux Message-ID: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> I wrote this about a week after the storm. Later my daughter worked on the melody and a bit on the lyrics. It was recorded in Ardour (qjackctl/JACK), mastered with JAMin, and trimmed with Audacity. It's in mp3 for my poor benighted Windoze using friends. It is dedicated to Sam who didn't die in the lower ninth ward but in Pass Christian, MS with his two year old son. http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From bengan at sunet.se Sat Jan 14 09:52:56 2006 From: bengan at sunet.se (Bengt =?iso-8859-1?B?R/ZyZOlu?=) Date: Sat Jan 14 09:52:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <20060114145256.GA19033@sunet.se> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 08:30:27AM -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > I wrote this about a week after the storm. Later my daughter worked > on the melody and a bit on the lyrics. It was recorded in Ardour > (qjackctl/JACK), mastered with JAMin, and trimmed with Audacity. It's > in mp3 for my poor benighted Windoze using friends. > > It is dedicated to Sam who didn't die in the lower ninth ward but in > Pass Christian, MS with his two year old son. > > http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 I really like it. It might just go into my Archos PMA430 so that I can listen even more to it. My 3 year old son got interessted in it and sat down beside me to listen and that I can say is a good indication :-) Keep up the good work. I hope that I also can distribute my own stuff someday. regards, - Bengan ------------------------------------------------------------- From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Jan 14 10:47:34 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Jan 14 10:25:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <43C91D16.3040309@woh.rr.com> Jan Depner wrote: > I wrote this about a week after the storm. Later my daughter worked >on the melody and a bit on the lyrics. It was recorded in Ardour >(qjackctl/JACK), mastered with JAMin, and trimmed with Audacity. It's >in mp3 for my poor benighted Windoze using friends. > > It is dedicated to Sam who didn't die in the lower ninth ward but in >Pass Christian, MS with his two year old son. > >http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 > > Nice mix and performance, but on my cheapo system for my laptop (Peavey desktop speakers, no sub) the vocals aren't always clear. I'll listen to it again later on the desktop system, it's much better for more realistic playback. Thanks for sharing, it's always good to hear something from eviltwin69. :) Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Jan 14 10:50:04 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Jan 14 10:28:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ardour-users] a nice song recorded with ardour, rosegarden, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc... In-Reply-To: <200512302307.20578.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> References: <200512302307.20578.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <43C91DAC.90504@woh.rr.com> Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: >Today we finished a job with a man called Juan M. Bogado: a nice song! >He did the MIDI job with his PC and then I imported the .mid file into >Rosegarden. > >We used Specimen for the piano, Zynaddsubfx for Bass and synths, Qsynth >for GM percusion, Hydrogen for the main drums (kit: yamaha vintage), >and his acustic guitar. > >We recorded all the audio files into Ardour, and then mastered with >Jamin, you can listen to it by clicking here: > >www.musix.org.ar/ogg/Juan-Martin-Bogado__Yira_Mundo__Musix_GNU-Linux.ogg > >Hope you like it! > > > I tried that link last week but it didn't connect. Two days I tried it again and finally heard this tune. Very sweet ! My compliments to Juan Bogado and yourself, please do more ! :) Best, dp From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Jan 14 10:32:42 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Jan 14 10:32:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <20060114153242.GA6783@charly.SWORD> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 08:30:27AM -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > > http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 Beautiful, very balanced and a clear sound. Just the vocals could be more upfront. Thanks for sharing. --- Thorsten Wilms From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sat Jan 14 10:43:20 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sat Jan 14 10:44:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ardour-users] a nice song recorded with ardour, rosegarden, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc... In-Reply-To: <43C91DAC.90504@woh.rr.com> References: <200512302307.20578.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <43C91DAC.90504@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1137253400.6475.3.camel@eviltwin> On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 10:50 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > >Today we finished a job with a man called Juan M. Bogado: a nice song! > >He did the MIDI job with his PC and then I imported the .mid file into > >Rosegarden. > > > >We used Specimen for the piano, Zynaddsubfx for Bass and synths, Qsynth > >for GM percusion, Hydrogen for the main drums (kit: yamaha vintage), > >and his acustic guitar. > > > >We recorded all the audio files into Ardour, and then mastered with > >Jamin, you can listen to it by clicking here: > > > >www.musix.org.ar/ogg/Juan-Martin-Bogado__Yira_Mundo__Musix_GNU-Linux.ogg > > > >Hope you like it! > > > > > > > I tried that link last week but it didn't connect. Two days I tried it > again and finally heard this tune. Very sweet ! My compliments to Juan > Bogado and yourself, please do more ! :) > > Best, > > dp > Wow! Really nice song! Yeah, like Dave said - more! -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Jan 14 10:47:21 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat Jan 14 10:49:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <200601141047.21778.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 14 January 2006 09:30, Jan Depner wrote: > I wrote this about a week after the storm. Later my daughter > worked on the melody and a bit on the lyrics. It was recorded in > Ardour (qjackctl/JACK), mastered with JAMin, and trimmed with > Audacity. It's in mp3 for my poor benighted Windoze using friends. > > It is dedicated to Sam who didn't die in the lower ninth ward but > in Pass Christian, MS with his two year old son. > >http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 And one of the better mp3's I've heard, thanks for the link. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Jan 14 10:51:09 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat Jan 14 10:52:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <43C91D16.3040309@woh.rr.com> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <43C91D16.3040309@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200601141051.10106.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 14 January 2006 10:47, Dave Phillips wrote: >Jan Depner wrote: >> I wrote this about a week after the storm. Later my daughter >> worked on the melody and a bit on the lyrics. It was recorded in >> Ardour (qjackctl/JACK), mastered with JAMin, and trimmed with >> Audacity. It's in mp3 for my poor benighted Windoze using friends. >> >> It is dedicated to Sam who didn't die in the lower ninth ward but >> in Pass Christian, MS with his two year old son. >> >>http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 > >Nice mix and performance, but on my cheapo system for my laptop > (Peavey desktop speakers, no sub) the vocals aren't always clear. > I'll listen to it again later on the desktop system, it's much better > for more realistic playback. Thats the same comment I'd make. Seems the vocals needed another db or 2 of gain in places, but its very well balanced in that regard in the last half. Overall its an enjoyable, even if the theme is sad, piece of music. Thanks. >Thanks for sharing, it's always good to hear something from > eviltwin69. :) > >Best, > >dp -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Jan 14 11:56:21 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Jan 14 11:34:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] questions regarding SBLive multichannel use Message-ID: <43C92D35.5050308@woh.rr.com> Greetings: This question is directed to Lee Revell and anyone who is using or has tried to use the multichannel capability for the ALSA SBLive module. When I select multichannel duplex operation in QJackCtl I get 16 channels for input and two channels for output. Is that the default I/O channel arrangement ? Regardless of framesize I get constant xruns. SR is set to 48 kHz, and the period size has been left at 2. Has anyone figured a way to defeat the dreaded xrun with setup ? Card is an SBLive Value, system is Demudi 1.3.0rc1, ALSA version is 1.0.10rc1, JACK is 0.100.0. Best, dp From ce at christeck.de Sat Jan 14 11:59:24 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Jan 14 11:57:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <200601141759.24845.ce@christeck.de> > It's > in mp3 for my poor benighted Windoze using friends. http://www.videolan.org/ SCNR :) . Kindest regards, ce From strombrg at dcs.nac.uci.edu Sat Jan 14 12:19:27 2006 From: strombrg at dcs.nac.uci.edu (Dan Stromberg) Date: Sat Jan 14 12:19:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cutting background noise from a voice recordering? Message-ID: <1137259167.16287.52.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> Hi folks. Thanks for the round of suggestions about software for cutting up a large .wav into CD-sized pieces - I'll probably be using sox's "trim" option the most. I have a new question though, about cutting background noise from a recording. The conference room my workgroup uses the most, has an incredibly noisy air duct passing right above it, and I'm told there's pretty much no way they can cut the noise output from it, without curtailing the airflow to the remainder of the building. Which means that aside from not being able to hear what's going on in meetings sometimes, especially when people are mumbling (I have a tad of a high frequency hearing loss), it also means that my voice recordings have a more or less steady level of background noise due to that air duct. On top of that, in some of our meetings, people want to use a projector, which adds its own level of white noise - even after we shut it off, since it needs to cool down slowly to minimize thermal stress. Which brings me back to my current question: What sort of linux software might be good for eliminating the noise from a loud air duct and/or projector fan from a voice recording? Thanks! From reuben.m at gmail.com Sat Jan 14 13:08:49 2006 From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin) Date: Sat Jan 14 13:08:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cutting background noise from a voice recordering? In-Reply-To: <1137259167.16287.52.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> References: <1137259167.16287.52.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> Message-ID: On 1/14/06, Dan Stromberg wrote: > > Hi folks. > > Thanks for the round of suggestions about software for cutting up a > large .wav into CD-sized pieces - I'll probably be using sox's "trim" > option the most. > > I have a new question though, about cutting background noise from a > recording. > > The conference room my workgroup uses the most, has an incredibly noisy > air duct passing right above it, and I'm told there's pretty much no way > they can cut the noise output from it, without curtailing the airflow to > the remainder of the building. > > Which means that aside from not being able to hear what's going on in > meetings sometimes, especially when people are mumbling (I have a tad of > a high frequency hearing loss), it also means that my voice recordings > have a more or less steady level of background noise due to that air > duct. > > On top of that, in some of our meetings, people want to use a projector, > which adds its own level of white noise - even after we shut it off, > since it needs to cool down slowly to minimize thermal stress. > > Which brings me back to my current question: What sort of linux software > might be good for eliminating the noise from a loud air duct and/or > projector fan from a voice recording? > > Thanks! > > > Gnome-wave-cleaner + an expander. From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Sat Jan 14 13:22:42 2006 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio64) Date: Sat Jan 14 13:22:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <200601141051.10106.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <43C91D16.3040309@woh.rr.com> <200601141051.10106.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <43C94172.6030306@walescomputers.co.uk> Gene Heskett wrote: >On Saturday 14 January 2006 10:47, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >>Jan Depner wrote: >> >> >>> I wrote this about a week after the storm. Later my daughter >>>worked on the melody and a bit on the lyrics. It was recorded in >>>Ardour (qjackctl/JACK), mastered with JAMin, and trimmed with >>>Audacity. It's in mp3 for my poor benighted Windoze using friends. >>> >>> It is dedicated to Sam who didn't die in the lower ninth ward but >>>in Pass Christian, MS with his two year old son. >>> >>>http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 >>> >>> >>Nice mix and performance, but on my cheapo system for my laptop >>(Peavey desktop speakers, no sub) the vocals aren't always clear. >>I'll listen to it again later on the desktop system, it's much better >>for more realistic playback. >> >> > >Thats the same comment I'd make. Seems the vocals needed another db or 2 >of gain in places, but its very well balanced in that regard in the >last half. Overall its an enjoyable, even if the theme is sad, piece >of music. Thanks. > > > >>Thanks for sharing, it's always good to hear something from >>eviltwin69. :) >> >>Best, >> >>dp >> >> > > > Hi Really Nice piece, been playing along with it myself!! Nice guitar work. Many thanks Bob From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Jan 14 13:47:27 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Jan 14 13:47:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0601141047u4038de6av75e6a8ba45911df3@mail.gmail.com> On 1/14/06, Jan Depner wrote: > I wrote this about a week after the storm. Later my daughter worked > on the melody and a bit on the lyrics. It was recorded in Ardour > (qjackctl/JACK), mastered with JAMin, and trimmed with Audacity. It's > in mp3 for my poor benighted Windoze using friends. > > It is dedicated to Sam who didn't die in the lower ninth ward but in > Pass Christian, MS with his two year old son. > > http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 > > > -- > Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner > The Fuzzy Dice Hey Jan, Good stuff. Thanks for sharing the music. It's great to know that after all the horror or Katrina and how much it's effected folks in your area that you're still in the game. Very cool. How did you record the acoustic/classical guitar? Where's you place the mic/mics? I like the sound of that instrument a lot. Cheers, Mark From florin at andrei.myip.org Sat Jan 14 14:36:40 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sat Jan 14 14:36:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music In-Reply-To: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <1137267400.2978.9.camel@scout.home.local> On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 11:16 +0000, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/01/music-delays-and-perl-nightmares.html Slumpy: I love the atmosphere. Happy, smiling, full of light. You weave the drums with authority and skill. The dynamics of the song are pretty much driven by the clever rhythm alterations. Some harp-like sounds in the background in the 2:20's region - I would use a less obvious reverb on them, less boxy, more breathy. Maybe that's just me. But I do perceive the humorous intent behind the existing sound. ;-) Very nice song overall. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From florin at andrei.myip.org Sat Jan 14 14:47:29 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sat Jan 14 14:47:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <200601141051.10106.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <43C91D16.3040309@woh.rr.com> <200601141051.10106.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1137268049.2978.12.camel@scout.home.local> On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 10:51 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > >>http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 > Thats the same comment I'd make. Seems the vocals needed another db or 2 > of gain in places Maybe not more gain, but a little less processing. To me, it seems like an overdone effect. Otherwise, yes, the song is very nice. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From d_baron at 012.net.il Sat Jan 14 14:59:34 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Sat Jan 14 14:59:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: (Days of ) WINE and MIDI In-Reply-To: <20060113084049.D9F3B1B6552@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060113084049.D9F3B1B6552@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200601142159.34491.d_baron@012.net.il> On Friday 13 January 2006 10:40, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > How can I get my WINE applications to see my alsa MIDI ports? I have the line about OSS in .wine/config uncommented. MIDI ALSA ports work fine through their OSS emulation. I have, if I remember, had mixed success with ALSA directly with different WINE version working, others not. I never had it work using Jack. > I have read some reports of people using Band-in-a-Box and Jammer with > WINE, with varied success. ?I wanted to try using several of my Windows > MIDI apps (Jammer, OneManBand, some synth editors) under WINE, but when > I am able to get the application to work, it says there are no MIDI > devices available, except the MIDI mapper for output, which seems to do > nothing for me. ?How can I get these applications to see a MIDI input > and MIDI output port that I can route to somewhere useful? Jammer will crash with newer wine versions. Previous versions had the program come up and play. The style loading dialogs were usable but did not display or work correctly. Other apps: XGEdit -- operates. Its rightmost column of buttons (sound program selection) does not appear at all. Tabledit -- works 100% Abcmus -- works 100% . There is a wealth of music around in abc format which is good old 7-bit ascii and was once the mainstay of unix music coding. Tabledit will import abc files as well. Tracktion -- come up, samples all the VSTs, displays but does not play. Its child-dialogs do not appear but function control/F4 "closes" them. This one is tantalizing close but so far! Cakewalk -- heard tell old version once worked in WINE. New ones will not. Most MIDI programs that worked or almost worked on older WINEs will crash now. Their custom controls are usually the problem. From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Sat Jan 14 11:42:12 2006 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sat Jan 14 15:34:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU+Linux 0.31 Message-ID: <200601141742.13263.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> http://musix.k-maleon.com/Musix_GNU-Linux-031.iso http://musix.k-maleon.com/Musix_GNU-Linux-031.iso.md5 Musix 0.31 news * Soundcard installation system upgraded * New backup system * MMA Musical MIDI Accompaniment * Band in a box Converter * gmma (graphic interface for MMA) * Qsampler (gigasampler host) * Ceres3 (audio editor) * New Kit Hydrogen + Bass Tutorial Lilypond by David Asorey ?lvarez Tutoriales MMA by Gilberto Andr? Borges * Realtime module now loads fine at boot time * Help! desktop * Bugs fixed and more... -- Marcos Guglielmetti (www.pc-musica.com.ar) Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) (www.musix.distrux.net) ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From groups at xscd.com Sat Jan 14 15:49:26 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Sat Jan 14 15:49:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <20060114204926.GL4957@xscd.com> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 08:30:27AM -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > I wrote this about a week after the storm. > > http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 --- --- Great song! I love the harmonica, and the comp and lead guitar are very nice also. I agree with others that the vocals could be a bit louder, but both the performance and recording are really nice, as well as the composition itself of course. -sd -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Actual political quote-- "The average age of a 7 year old in this state is 13." ---------------------------------------------------------------- From ce at christeck.de Sat Jan 14 15:58:43 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Jan 14 15:56:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <200601142158.44071.ce@christeck.de> Hi Jan, > I wrote this about a week after the storm. ?Later my daughter > worked on the melody and a bit on the lyrics. ?It was recorded in > Ardour (qjackctl/JACK), mastered with JAMin, and trimmed with > Audacity. ?It's in mp3 for my poor benighted Windoze using friends. > > ? ? It is dedicated to Sam who didn't die in the lower ninth ward but > in Pass Christian, MS with his two year old son. > > http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 thanks for sharing. Though it isn't my taste of music, I find it very nice. Sounds a bit like a mixture of Irish music in the wild west :) ?!? I'd join the chorus of the others: The vocals could be a bit more present. Maybe reducing the reverb already helps a lot. Best regards ce From kevinc at doink.com Sat Jan 14 16:34:39 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Sat Jan 14 16:35:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cutting background noise from a voice recordering? actually In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060114213440.6B245406F@joseph.doink.com> On 14 January 2006 at 12:08, Reuben Martin wrote: > On 1/14/06, Dan Stromberg wrote: > > I have a new question though, about cutting background noise from a > > recording. [snip] > > Which brings me back to my current question: What sort of linux software > > might be good for eliminating the noise from a loud air duct and/or > > projector fan from a voice recording? > Gnome-wave-cleaner + an expander. I concur. You might also use a gate. You'll have to play with the threshold on the expander & gate to optimize your results. You could do something like this with dedicated hardware during the talk to minimize the amount of background noise picked up by the mic and coming through the PA. Hmm, maybe you're recording the talk from your vantage point, and the presenter doesn't use a mic? I'm not sure how much money you want to put into cutting the noise in your building. But, there are sound engineering companies that design rooms & buildings to minimize this kind of problem. They also can do some retrofitting. A friend of mine in Oregon (USA) does this for a living. G'luck.... -- Kevin From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sat Jan 14 17:19:19 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sat Jan 14 17:13:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music In-Reply-To: <1137267400.2978.9.camel@scout.home.local> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> <1137267400.2978.9.camel@scout.home.local> Message-ID: <20060114221919.GO17646@phlunky.Belkin> On Sat, 14 Jan, 2006 at 11:36AM -0800, Florin Andrei spake thus: > On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 11:16 +0000, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > http://blog.dis-dot-dat.net/2006/01/music-delays-and-perl-nightmares.html > > Slumpy: > > I love the atmosphere. Happy, smiling, full of light. > > You weave the drums with authority and skill. The dynamics of the song > are pretty much driven by the clever rhythm alterations. If I ever released a real CD, I'd want you writing the sleeve notes! > Some harp-like sounds in the background in the 2:20's region - I would > use a less obvious reverb on them, less boxy, more breathy. Maybe that's > just me. But I do perceive the humorous intent behind the existing > sound. ;-) Yes, I'm afraid towards the end of things, I do sometimes just slap things on to get it finished. It's not that I don't enjoy making it (I do, a lot), but the excitement of having completed something takes over. > Very nice song overall. Thanks for listening, James -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Sat Jan 14 13:46:42 2006 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sat Jan 14 17:42:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ardour-users] a nice song recorded with ardour, rosegarden, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc... In-Reply-To: <43C91DAC.90504@woh.rr.com> References: <200512302307.20578.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <43C91DAC.90504@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200601141946.42735.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> On Saturday 14 January 2006 16:50, Dave Phillips wrote: > Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > >Today we finished a job with a man called Juan M. Bogado: a nice > > song! He did the MIDI job with his PC and then I imported the .mid > > file into Rosegarden. > > > >We used Specimen for the piano, Zynaddsubfx for Bass and synths, > > Qsynth for GM percusion, Hydrogen for the main drums (kit: yamaha > > vintage), and his acustic guitar. > > > >We recorded all the audio files into Ardour, and then mastered with > >Jamin, you can listen to it by clicking here: > > > >www.musix.org.ar/ogg/Juan-Martin-Bogado__Yira_Mundo__Musix_GNU-Linux > >.ogg > > > >Hope you like it! > > I tried that link last week but it didn't connect. Two days I tried > it again and finally heard this tune. Very sweet ! My compliments to > Juan Bogado and yourself, please do more ! :) Thanks Dave, I will tell Juan Mart?n to compose some more stuff, and maybe he will like to record it, cheers -- Marcos Guglielmetti (www.pc-musica.com.ar) Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) (www.musix.distrux.net) ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From sayhi2guy at tiscali.co.uk Sat Jan 14 18:32:55 2006 From: sayhi2guy at tiscali.co.uk (guy) Date: Sat Jan 14 18:32:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cutting background noise from a voice recordering? In-Reply-To: <1137259167.16287.52.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> References: <1137259167.16287.52.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> Message-ID: <43C98A27.3030904@tiscali.co.uk> Dan Stromberg wrote: > Hi folks. > > (snip) > > Which brings me back to my current question: What sort of linux software > might be good for eliminating the noise from a loud air duct and/or > projector fan from a voice recording? > > Thanks! > Hi Audacity has a noise removal facility - you just need a bit of the sound & nothing else to get a noise print. Regards Guy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.18/230 - Release Date: 14/01/2006 ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From florin at andrei.myip.org Sun Jan 15 01:00:54 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sun Jan 15 01:00:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music In-Reply-To: <20060114221919.GO17646@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060110111658.GI17646@phlunky.Belkin> <1137267400.2978.9.camel@scout.home.local> <20060114221919.GO17646@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <1137304854.2983.3.camel@scout.home.local> On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 22:19 +0000, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > If I ever released a real CD, I'd want you writing the sleeve notes! Deal! :-) > Yes, I'm afraid towards the end of things, I do sometimes just slap > things on to get it finished. It's not that I don't enjoy making it > (I do, a lot), but the excitement of having completed something takes over. I think that's a very common occurrence. Come back to it with fresh ears and the soundscape will be different. Keep on jammin'... ;-) -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From capocasa at gmx.net Sun Jan 15 05:57:52 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sun Jan 15 05:55:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: Wow, both a beautiful piece of music and a wonderful proof of concept for ardour. Thank you. Carlo From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sun Jan 15 09:31:34 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sun Jan 15 09:32:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0601141047u4038de6av75e6a8ba45911df3@mail.gmail.com> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <5bdc1c8b0601141047u4038de6av75e6a8ba45911df3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1137335494.19476.11.camel@eviltwin> Mark, et al, Many thanks for all the feedback (mostly positive). To paraphrase a familiar quote - with many ears all mixes are easy ;-) I forgot to mention that I used LADSPA effects (not counting the electric guitar which is through a V-AMP Pro) other than running the final master mix through a BBE sonic maximizer. I have taken most everyone's advice and lifted the vocals (dropped some processing too). Also, a tip of the hat to Dave Phillips for introducing me to the Versatile Plate Reverb. The new version is in the same place - http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 10:47 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > Hey Jan, > Good stuff. Thanks for sharing the music. It's great to know that > after all the horror or Katrina and how much it's effected folks in > your area that you're still in the game. Very cool. > > How did you record the acoustic/classical guitar? Where's you place > the mic/mics? I like the sound of that instrument a lot. > It's mostly the guitar - hand made Jose Morales classical, Spanish cedar top, bookmatched rosewood back and sides, hand made rosette, all wood binding. It's a beautiful instrument. I picked it up in Granada Spain at Jose Morales' shop in 1978 for $150 (with case ;-) I've played it next to $3000+ Ramirez guitars and it blows them away. I used a cheap Marshall 603 condenser mic about a foot away from where the fingerboard meets the body and a cheap Marshall 2001 about 3 feet away and more towards the bridge. I used a little Gverb on both sides and some Tape Delay Simulation on the 603. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jan 15 10:27:08 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun Jan 15 10:27:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137335494.19476.11.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <5bdc1c8b0601141047u4038de6av75e6a8ba45911df3@mail.gmail.com> <1137335494.19476.11.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <200601151027.08547.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 15 January 2006 09:31, Jan Depner wrote: >Mark, et al, > > Many thanks for all the feedback (mostly positive). To paraphrase > a familiar quote - with many ears all mixes are easy ;-) I forgot to > mention that I used LADSPA effects (not counting the electric guitar > which is through a V-AMP Pro) other than running the final master mix > through a BBE sonic maximizer. I have taken most everyone's advice > and lifted the vocals (dropped some processing too). Also, a tip of > the hat to Dave Phillips for introducing me to the Versatile Plate > Reverb. > > The new version is in the same place - > >http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 > That addressed all my concerns, great stuff. Thank you for the effort, and please do some more. > > It's mostly the guitar - hand made Jose Morales classical, Spanish >cedar top, bookmatched rosewood back and sides, hand made rosette, all >wood binding. It's a beautiful instrument. I picked it up in Granada >Spain at Jose Morales' shop in 1978 for $150 (with case ;-) I've > played it next to $3000+ Ramirez guitars and it blows them away. I > used a cheap Marshall 603 condenser mic about a foot away from where > the fingerboard meets the body and a cheap Marshall 2001 about 3 feet > away and more towards the bridge. I used a little Gverb on both > sides and some Tape Delay Simulation on the 603. I have a friend who made his guitar in high school shop, a solid body electric of course. Autographed by Johnny Johnson many years ago. Its a pretty fair sounding piece of maple, but no comparison to the clarity of your instrument. To paraphrase a nearly 80 year old acoustic bass player brother-in-law of mine, that guitar is 'tasty stuff'. He (the friend) and about 3 others, another guitar player, a father & teen aged son trade places on an axe, & a drummer whom I've never figured out why he isn't doing it professionally, he's that good. They get together to jam on friday nights, but even on their best night, theres no comparison to this. Thanks. This one is a definite keeper. But why an mp3, why not a q7 (or higher) ogg? -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Jan 15 11:21:17 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Jan 15 11:19:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137335494.19476.11.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <5bdc1c8b0601141047u4038de6av75e6a8ba45911df3@mail.gmail.com> <1137335494.19476.11.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <20060115162117.57bcaaf2@localhost> On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:31:34 -0600 Jan Depner wrote: > Mark, et al, > > Many thanks for all the feedback (mostly positive). To paraphrase a > familiar quote - with many ears all mixes are easy ;-) I forgot to > mention that I used LADSPA effects (not counting the electric guitar > which is through a V-AMP Pro) other than running the final master mix > through a BBE sonic maximizer. I have taken most everyone's advice and > lifted the vocals (dropped some processing too). Also, a tip of the hat > to Dave Phillips for introducing me to the Versatile Plate Reverb. > > The new version is in the same place - > > http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 Very nice piece of work, especially with the vocals lifted a bit. Who need the RIAA :) -- F From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sun Jan 15 11:19:12 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sun Jan 15 11:20:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <200601151027.08547.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <5bdc1c8b0601141047u4038de6av75e6a8ba45911df3@mail.gmail.com> <1137335494.19476.11.camel@eviltwin> <200601151027.08547.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1137341952.20756.3.camel@eviltwin> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 10:27 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 15 January 2006 09:31, Jan Depner wrote: > >Mark, et al, > > > > Many thanks for all the feedback (mostly positive). To paraphrase > > a familiar quote - with many ears all mixes are easy ;-) I forgot to > > mention that I used LADSPA effects (not counting the electric guitar > > which is through a V-AMP Pro) other than running the final master mix > > through a BBE sonic maximizer. I have taken most everyone's advice > > and lifted the vocals (dropped some processing too). Also, a tip of > > the hat to Dave Phillips for introducing me to the Versatile Plate > > Reverb. > > > > The new version is in the same place - > > > >http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 > > > That addressed all my concerns, great stuff. Thank you for the effort, > and please do some more. > > > > > It's mostly the guitar - hand made Jose Morales classical, Spanish > >cedar top, bookmatched rosewood back and sides, hand made rosette, all > >wood binding. It's a beautiful instrument. I picked it up in Granada > >Spain at Jose Morales' shop in 1978 for $150 (with case ;-) I've > > played it next to $3000+ Ramirez guitars and it blows them away. I > > used a cheap Marshall 603 condenser mic about a foot away from where > > the fingerboard meets the body and a cheap Marshall 2001 about 3 feet > > away and more towards the bridge. I used a little Gverb on both > > sides and some Tape Delay Simulation on the 603. > > I have a friend who made his guitar in high school shop, a solid body > electric of course. Autographed by Johnny Johnson many years ago. Its > a pretty fair sounding piece of maple, but no comparison to the clarity > of your instrument. To paraphrase a nearly 80 year old acoustic bass > player brother-in-law of mine, that guitar is 'tasty stuff'. > I also used to make guitars but I turned my garage/shop into a studio. Take a look at http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/two_guitars.jpg The guitar on the left is the first one I made (about 1989). The one on the right is the one I used for the electric guitar on this recording. > He (the friend) and about 3 others, another guitar player, a father & > teen aged son trade places on an axe, & a drummer whom I've never > figured out why he isn't doing it professionally, he's that good. They > get together to jam on friday nights, but even on their best night, > theres no comparison to this. Thanks. This one is a definite keeper. > Many thanks. > But why an mp3, why not a q7 (or higher) ogg? > I made an ogg but a lot of Windoze people have trouble with that format (even though Winamp and Audacity handle it). -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jan 15 11:53:00 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun Jan 15 11:53:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137341952.20756.3.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <200601151027.08547.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1137341952.20756.3.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <200601151153.01226.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 15 January 2006 11:19, Jan Depner wrote: >On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 10:27 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Sunday 15 January 2006 09:31, Jan Depner wrote: >> >Mark, et al, >> > >> > Many thanks for all the feedback (mostly positive). To >> > paraphrase a familiar quote - with many ears all mixes are easy >> > ;-) I forgot to mention that I used LADSPA effects (not counting >> > the electric guitar which is through a V-AMP Pro) other than >> > running the final master mix through a BBE sonic maximizer. I >> > have taken most everyone's advice and lifted the vocals (dropped >> > some processing too). Also, a tip of the hat to Dave Phillips for >> > introducing me to the Versatile Plate Reverb. >> > >> > The new version is in the same place - >> > >> >http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 >> >> That addressed all my concerns, great stuff. Thank you for the >> effort, and please do some more. >> >> > It's mostly the guitar - hand made Jose Morales classical, >> > Spanish cedar top, bookmatched rosewood back and sides, hand made >> > rosette, all wood binding. It's a beautiful instrument. I picked >> > it up in Granada Spain at Jose Morales' shop in 1978 for $150 >> > (with case ;-) I've played it next to $3000+ Ramirez guitars and >> > it blows them away. I used a cheap Marshall 603 condenser mic >> > about a foot away from where the fingerboard meets the body and a >> > cheap Marshall 2001 about 3 feet away and more towards the bridge. >> > I used a little Gverb on both sides and some Tape Delay >> > Simulation on the 603. >> >> I have a friend who made his guitar in high school shop, a solid >> body electric of course. Autographed by Johnny Johnson many years >> ago. Its a pretty fair sounding piece of maple, but no comparison >> to the clarity of your instrument. To paraphrase a nearly 80 year >> old acoustic bass player brother-in-law of mine, that guitar is >> 'tasty stuff'. > > I also used to make guitars but I turned my garage/shop into a >studio. Take a look at > >http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/two_guitars.jpg > >The guitar on the left is the first one I made (about 1989). The one > on the right is the one I used for the electric guitar on this > recording. > Choice! I do a little wood myself but don't seem to be able stick to a project of late. Thumbhole style gunstocks from a plank are what I unwind with. But lately, I've been playing with a micromill, running it with emc from the Brain Dead Install. And definitely feeling the need for a much larger xy table, along with some real rpms in the spindle, currently 2500 tops. I'd like to do the rough carving on it due to its repeatability. But I'd need a 4th axis, lengthwise rotary to do that 'in the round'. Someday, if I don't fall over first from the inevitable effects of 71 years and counting... :-) >> He (the friend) and about 3 others, another guitar player, a father >> & teen aged son trade places on an axe, & a drummer whom I've never >> figured out why he isn't doing it professionally, he's that good. >> They get together to jam on friday nights, but even on their best >> night, theres no comparison to this. Thanks. This one is a >> definite keeper. > > Many thanks. > >> But why an mp3, why not a q7 (or higher) ogg? > > I made an ogg but a lot of Windoze people have trouble with that >format (even though Winamp and Audacity handle it). -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jan 15 12:24:46 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun Jan 15 12:24:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <20060115162117.57bcaaf2@localhost> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <1137335494.19476.11.camel@eviltwin> <20060115162117.57bcaaf2@localhost> Message-ID: <200601151224.46439.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 15 January 2006 11:21, Folderol wrote: >On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:31:34 -0600 > >Jan Depner wrote: >> Mark, et al, >> >> Many thanks for all the feedback (mostly positive). To >> paraphrase a familiar quote - with many ears all mixes are easy ;-) >> I forgot to mention that I used LADSPA effects (not counting the >> electric guitar which is through a V-AMP Pro) other than running the >> final master mix through a BBE sonic maximizer. I have taken most >> everyone's advice and lifted the vocals (dropped some processing >> too). Also, a tip of the hat to Dave Phillips for introducing me to >> the Versatile Plate Reverb. >> >> The new version is in the same place - >> >> http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 > >Very nice piece of work, especially with the vocals lifted a bit. > >Who need the RIAA :) Surely off topic by now, but what the hey... We don't. But that raises the question as to how we should compensate those who are doing work such as this? Thats what the RIAA was supposedly formed to do as part of their reason to exist. But once you get a suit involved its everyone for himself, suits first. Some, like Janice Ian, have taken the commercial route by selling her work on cd's, over the net at prices in the area of the big name stuff, and I've bought some knowing she will get quite a bit of it to spread to her assistants after the card processing fees. This is a good model for those well established although Janice is a bit borderline to the 'great unwashed masses'. What I'd like to see is a site where works like this could be posted in a quad of format choices. A very highly smunched version could be used as the free sampler, in both ogg and mp3 formats, while the high quality, ogg at Q7 or so, mp3 at or more than 128k, would cost the downloader a trip into his wallet for his credit card. The site owner could then take 50 cents of that dollar for processing the credit card, and the artist gets the other 50 cents. More than he/she would ever get from the RIAA today. Maybe thats unrealistic from the standpoint of the card people, who probably lose money processing a $1 purchase if they aren't fully computerized, but you get the idea. Personally I think it sucks the big one when the RIAA gives the artist less than 5 cents on the dollar and then has the unmitigated gaul to charge the artist for the production and advertising of the disk, sleeve and carrier as has become prevalent today. Where is their gamble? The artist is sure tossing the dice, with a heck of a lot lower chances than a roll of the dice offers. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From hanaghan at starband.net Sun Jan 15 11:45:53 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Sun Jan 15 13:44:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137341952.20756.3.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <5bdc1c8b0601141047u4038de6av75e6a8ba45911df3@mail.gmail.com> <1137335494.19476.11.camel@eviltwin> <200601151027.08547.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1137341952.20756.3.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <43CA7C41.8080506@starband.net> Jan Depner wrote: >On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 10:27 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > >>On Sunday 15 January 2006 09:31, Jan Depner wrote: >> >> >>>Mark, et al, >>> >>> Many thanks for all the feedback (mostly positive). To paraphrase >>>a familiar quote - with many ears all mixes are easy ;-) I forgot to >>>mention that I used LADSPA effects (not counting the electric guitar >>>which is through a V-AMP Pro) other than running the final master mix >>>through a BBE sonic maximizer. I have taken most everyone's advice >>>and lifted the vocals (dropped some processing too). Also, a tip of >>>the hat to Dave Phillips for introducing me to the Versatile Plate >>>Reverb. >>> >>> The new version is in the same place - >>> >>>http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 >>> >>> Mmmm I do love my BBE sonic maximizer!! :)I got lucky and picked up a almost new 482 for $75 from Craigslist in San Francisco! These things are just awesome! > I also used to make guitars but I turned my garage/shop into a >studio. Take a look at > >http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/two_guitars.jpg > >The guitar on the left is the first one I made (about 1989). The one on >the right is the one I used for the electric guitar on this recording. > > A man after my own heart...I DO love telecasters in any form, shape or style. Just built a custom tele of my own loaded with active EMG's as a "nashville" tele with 3rd pickup in the center. Sounds awesome and is very versitile. I just listened to your work. Nice piece Jan. The mix and sound quality of the instruments obviously had a good ear and knowledge of what to do with that "ear". The musical content aside from mechanics of the mix / linux audio, ardour, etc...reminds me of a couple of folk / light rock / contemporary bands out of Australia tears ago...for thos who know...sort of a cross between the Seekers and Redgum! It is a good original piece but it feels as though the tempo is a liitle forced or rushed. Almost as thought the bass line could have settled on or behind the beat where it is leading the beat most of the way. Not to detract from a very nice effort though. Some of our playing styles are very similar when I listen to your guitar work. Great work. Thanks for sharing. It's NOT easy to do! :) Cheers, R~ From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sun Jan 15 13:50:41 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sun Jan 15 13:50:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <200601151224.46439.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <1137335494.19476.11.camel@eviltwin> <20060115162117.57bcaaf2@localhost> <200601151224.46439.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <43CA9981.2050208@poeticstudios.com> Gene Heskett wrote: >On Sunday 15 January 2006 11:21, Folderol wrote: > > >>On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:31:34 -0600 >> >>Jan Depner wrote: >> >> >>>Mark, et al, >>> >>> Many thanks for all the feedback (mostly positive). To >>>paraphrase a familiar quote - with many ears all mixes are easy ;-) >>>I forgot to mention that I used LADSPA effects (not counting the >>>electric guitar which is through a V-AMP Pro) other than running the >>>final master mix through a BBE sonic maximizer. I have taken most >>>everyone's advice and lifted the vocals (dropped some processing >>>too). Also, a tip of the hat to Dave Phillips for introducing me to >>>the Versatile Plate Reverb. >>> >>> The new version is in the same place - >>> >>>http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 >>> >>> >>Very nice piece of work, especially with the vocals lifted a bit. >> >>Who need the RIAA :) >> >> > >Surely off topic by now, but what the hey... > >We don't. But that raises the question as to how we should compensate >those who are doing work such as this? Thats what the RIAA was >supposedly formed to do as part of their reason to exist. But once you >get a suit involved its everyone for himself, suits first. > >Some, like Janice Ian, have taken the commercial route by selling her >work on cd's, over the net at prices in the area of the big name stuff, >and I've bought some knowing she will get quite a bit of it to spread >to her assistants after the card processing fees. > >This is a good model for those well established although Janice is a bit >borderline to the 'great unwashed masses'. > >What I'd like to see is a site where works like this could be posted in >a quad of format choices. A very highly smunched version could be used >as the free sampler, in both ogg and mp3 formats, while the high >quality, ogg at Q7 or so, mp3 at or more than 128k, would cost the >downloader a trip into his wallet for his credit card. The site owner >could then take 50 cents of that dollar for processing the credit card, >and the artist gets the other 50 cents. More than he/she would ever >get from the RIAA today. > >Maybe thats unrealistic from the standpoint of the card people, who >probably lose money processing a $1 purchase if they aren't fully >computerized, but you get the idea. > >Personally I think it sucks the big one when the RIAA gives the artist >less than 5 cents on the dollar and then has the unmitigated gaul to >charge the artist for the production and advertising of the disk, >sleeve and carrier as has become prevalent today. Where is their >gamble? The artist is sure tossing the dice, with a heck of a lot >lower chances than a roll of the dice offers. > > > All this is unnecessary! Artists can publish themselves nowadays, putting their music on a web page and provide a paypal button for donations. If you really care for an artist and his/her music you can give him some money. That's all. Sorry if I sound rude, but to me it's absurd to read this kind of comments on a list about using open source software. Your assumption is that artists shouldn't make their music available unless they get paid while fine programmers should give away the result of years of work? c. www.cesaremarilungo.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 15 13:52:16 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 15 13:52:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] questions regarding SBLive multichannel use In-Reply-To: <43C92D35.5050308@woh.rr.com> References: <43C92D35.5050308@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1137351137.25801.44.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 11:56 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > This question is directed to Lee Revell and anyone who is using or has > tried to use the multichannel capability for the ALSA SBLive module. > > When I select multichannel duplex operation in QJackCtl I get 16 > channels for input and two channels for output. Is that the default I/O > channel arrangement ? > You should get 16 in and 16 out. You have to individually select the multichannel devices for input (hw:x,2) and output (hw:x,3). > Regardless of framesize I get constant xruns. SR is set to 48 kHz, and > the period size has been left at 2. Has anyone figured a way to defeat > the dreaded xrun with setup ? > > Card is an SBLive Value, system is Demudi 1.3.0rc1, ALSA version is > 1.0.10rc1, JACK is 0.100.0. It's no different from diagnosing xruns on any other system... Lee From sayhi2guy at tiscali.co.uk Sun Jan 15 14:08:33 2006 From: sayhi2guy at tiscali.co.uk (guy) Date: Sun Jan 15 14:08:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy Message-ID: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> Hi I have read several comments about ogg format & Windoze & want to highlight what seems a very well kept secret. There is a brilliant & tiny (592kb!) open source media player for Windoze called coolplayer. It runs straight from the binary without need for installation. If you want to stick to an open music format it is very easy for anyone to obtain. The bottom line is folks, anyone can easily & freely have a means of playing ogg files on a windoze box. The url is http://coolplayer.sourceforge.net/ & the zip file download is only 318kb. Hope you do not feel this is OT as it concerns sharing music in an open format. Guy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.18/230 - Release Date: 14/01/2006 ___________________________________________________________ NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 15 14:22:45 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 15 14:22:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 19:08 +0000, guy wrote: > Hi > > I have read several comments about ogg format & Windoze & want to > highlight what seems a very well kept secret. There is a brilliant & > tiny (592kb!) open source media player for Windoze called coolplayer. > It runs straight from the binary > without need for installation. If you want to stick to an open music > format it is very easy for anyone to obtain. The bottom line is folks, > anyone can easily & freely have a means of playing ogg files on a > windoze box. > > The url is http://coolplayer.sourceforge.net/ & the zip file download is > only 318kb. > > Hope you do not feel this is OT as it concerns sharing music in an open > format. Personally I think it's a losing battle to ask Windows users to use anything but WMP. Like it or not MP3 is the standard. We need to make MP3 "Just Work" on Linux. MP3 is not a "closed format" it just has some patent issues (which may not be issues at all). I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due to its "encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia driver... Lee From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Sun Jan 15 14:30:01 2006 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio64) Date: Sun Jan 15 14:29:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137341952.20756.3.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <5bdc1c8b0601141047u4038de6av75e6a8ba45911df3@mail.gmail.com> <1137335494.19476.11.camel@eviltwin> <200601151027.08547.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1137341952.20756.3.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <43CAA2B9.9050908@walescomputers.co.uk> > I also used to make guitars but I turned my garage/shop into a >studio. Take a look at > >http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/two_guitars.jpg > >The guitar on the left is the first one I made (about 1989). The one on >the right is the one I used for the electric guitar on this recording. > > > > > > Hi They look nice!! I've built my own strat and am about to start a twin neck project. Nice song by the way!! Many thanks Bob From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sun Jan 15 14:48:31 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sun Jan 15 14:49:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1137354511.23566.1.camel@eviltwin> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 14:22 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 19:08 +0000, guy wrote: > > Hi > > > > I have read several comments about ogg format & Windoze & want to > > highlight what seems a very well kept secret. There is a brilliant & > > tiny (592kb!) open source media player for Windoze called coolplayer. > > It runs straight from the binary > > without need for installation. If you want to stick to an open music > > format it is very easy for anyone to obtain. The bottom line is folks, > > anyone can easily & freely have a means of playing ogg files on a > > windoze box. > > > > The url is http://coolplayer.sourceforge.net/ & the zip file download is > > only 318kb. > > > > Hope you do not feel this is OT as it concerns sharing music in an open > > format. > > Personally I think it's a losing battle to ask Windows users to use > anything but WMP. Like it or not MP3 is the standard. We need to make > MP3 "Just Work" on Linux. > > MP3 is not a "closed format" it just has some patent issues (which may > not be issues at all). > > I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due to its > "encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia driver... > I don't have any problem using mp3 (as demonstrated) but ogg is superior in reproducing the sound of the original. If it weren't for exactly what you pointed out I would much prefer using ogg. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 15 14:55:00 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 15 14:55:08 2006 Subject: MP3 (was Re: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy) In-Reply-To: <1137354511.23566.1.camel@eviltwin> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> <1137354511.23566.1.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <1137354901.25801.59.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 13:48 -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > I don't have any problem using mp3 (as demonstrated) but ogg is > superior in reproducing the sound of the original. If it weren't for > exactly what you pointed out I would much prefer using ogg. This reminds me, when do the MP3 patents expire? Because at that point, we'll have to switch everyone back to MP3... Lee From brad at sonaural.com Sun Jan 15 15:47:16 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Sun Jan 15 15:48:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy Message-ID: <43CAB4D4.8050607@sonaural.com> On 11:48 AM Jan Depner wrote: > I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due to its > > "encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia driver... Is there an alternative to the Nvidia driver? If so, I sure would like to know what it is! brad -- *Brad Fuller* +1 (408) 799-6124 *Sonaural Audio Studio* See Us At GDC 2006 Hear us online: www.Sonaural.com See me on O'Reilly From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 15 15:54:39 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 15 15:54:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <43CAB4D4.8050607@sonaural.com> References: <43CAB4D4.8050607@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1137358480.25801.71.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 12:47 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > On 11:48 AM Jan Depner wrote: > > I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due to its > > > "encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia driver... > > Is there an alternative to the Nvidia driver? If so, I sure would like > to know what it is! Yes, the open source "nv" driver. Does not support hardware accelerated 3D, but then again we care more about free software than being able to use every bell and whistle, right? Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 15 15:55:52 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 15 15:55:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <43CAB4D4.8050607@sonaural.com> References: <43CAB4D4.8050607@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1137358553.25801.73.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 12:47 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > On 11:48 AM Jan Depner wrote: > > I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due to its > > > "encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia driver... > > Is there an alternative to the Nvidia driver? If so, I sure would like > to know what it is! The most obvious alternative is not to buy hardware that required a proprietary driver. For example many ATI cards have open source drivers that support 3D HW acceleration. Lee From brad at sonaural.com Sun Jan 15 16:18:24 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Sun Jan 15 16:19:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <1137358480.25801.71.camel@mindpipe> References: <43CAB4D4.8050607@sonaural.com> <1137358480.25801.71.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <43CABC20.2020904@sonaural.com> Lee Revell wrote: >On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 12:47 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > >>On 11:48 AM Jan Depner wrote: >> >> >>> I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due to its >>> > "encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia driver... >>> >>> >>Is there an alternative to the Nvidia driver? If so, I sure would like >>to know what it is! >> >> > >Yes, the open source "nv" driver. Does not support hardware accelerated >3D, but then again we care more about free software than being able to >use every bell and whistle, right? > > I care about getting the job done well, first of all. I sure would like it to be FOSS, though! On my systems, the nvidia driver seems to work better for mpeg2 than nv. That's why I'm using it. But, it too has problems on some older nvidia chipsets. From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sun Jan 15 16:23:17 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sun Jan 15 16:24:36 2006 Subject: MP3 (was Re: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy) In-Reply-To: <1137354901.25801.59.camel@mindpipe> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> <1137354511.23566.1.camel@eviltwin> <1137354901.25801.59.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1137360197.23566.3.camel@eviltwin> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 14:55 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 13:48 -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > > I don't have any problem using mp3 (as demonstrated) but ogg is > > superior in reproducing the sound of the original. If it weren't for > > exactly what you pointed out I would much prefer using ogg. > > This reminds me, when do the MP3 patents expire? Because at that point, > we'll have to switch everyone back to MP3... > Good point, but I think Fraunhofer keeps extending them by adding minor changes. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sun Jan 15 16:26:11 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sun Jan 15 16:27:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <43CABC20.2020904@sonaural.com> References: <43CAB4D4.8050607@sonaural.com> <1137358480.25801.71.camel@mindpipe> <43CABC20.2020904@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1137360371.23566.6.camel@eviltwin> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 13:18 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > >On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 12:47 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > > > > >>On 11:48 AM Jan Depner wrote: > >> > >> > >>> I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due to its > >>> > "encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia driver... > >>> > >>> > >>Is there an alternative to the Nvidia driver? If so, I sure would like > >>to know what it is! > >> > >> > > > >Yes, the open source "nv" driver. Does not support hardware accelerated > >3D, but then again we care more about free software than being able to > >use every bell and whistle, right? > > > > > I care about getting the job done well, first of all. I sure would like > it to be FOSS, though! > On my systems, the nvidia driver seems to work better for mpeg2 than nv. > That's why I'm using it. But, it too has problems on some older nvidia > chipsets. We've been through this before. If all you have to worry about is mpeg2 playback you should be able to get by with the nv driver. I have extreme 3D requirements (not games) and there is not a comparable driver of any type for any other card. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 15 16:33:31 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 15 16:33:38 2006 Subject: MP3 (was Re: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy) In-Reply-To: <1137360197.23566.3.camel@eviltwin> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> <1137354511.23566.1.camel@eviltwin> <1137354901.25801.59.camel@mindpipe> <1137360197.23566.3.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <1137360812.25801.84.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 15:23 -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 14:55 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 13:48 -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > > > I don't have any problem using mp3 (as demonstrated) but ogg is > > > superior in reproducing the sound of the original. If it weren't for > > > exactly what you pointed out I would much prefer using ogg. > > > > This reminds me, when do the MP3 patents expire? Because at that point, > > we'll have to switch everyone back to MP3... > > > > Good point, but I think Fraunhofer keeps extending them by adding > minor changes. > Hmm, can they really do that? At least I don't think US patent law allows it, otherwise the pharmaceutical companies would do the same thing to block generic drugs. And if so wouldn't an MP3 implementation based on the original expired patents be in the clear? Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 15 16:34:11 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 15 16:34:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <1137360371.23566.6.camel@eviltwin> References: <43CAB4D4.8050607@sonaural.com> <1137358480.25801.71.camel@mindpipe> <43CABC20.2020904@sonaural.com> <1137360371.23566.6.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <1137360852.25801.86.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 15:26 -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 13:18 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > Lee Revell wrote: > > > > >On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 12:47 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > > > > > > > >>On 11:48 AM Jan Depner wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>> I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due to its > > >>> > "encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia driver... > > >>> > > >>> > > >>Is there an alternative to the Nvidia driver? If so, I sure would like > > >>to know what it is! > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Yes, the open source "nv" driver. Does not support hardware accelerated > > >3D, but then again we care more about free software than being able to > > >use every bell and whistle, right? > > > > > > > > I care about getting the job done well, first of all. I sure would like > > it to be FOSS, though! > > On my systems, the nvidia driver seems to work better for mpeg2 than nv. > > That's why I'm using it. But, it too has problems on some older nvidia > > chipsets. > > We've been through this before. If all you have to worry about is > mpeg2 playback you should be able to get by with the nv driver. I have > extreme 3D requirements (not games) and there is not a comparable driver > of any type for any other card. > Yeah sorry I did not want to restart that flame war, I was just trying to illustrate a point... Lee From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Jan 15 17:14:37 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Jan 15 16:52:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <43CAC94D.2020304@woh.rr.com> Lee Revell wrote: >Personally I think it's a losing battle to ask Windows users to use >anything but WMP. Like it or not MP3 is the standard. We need to make >MP3 "Just Work" on Linux. > > What's the problem ? Is there a lack of MP3 players for Linux ? >MP3 is not a "closed format" it just has some patent issues (which may >not be issues at all). > > The "issue" is that Frauenhofer has openly stated its intention to collect royalties from any & all MP3 encoders, and they've done a pretty good job of it. They are easy with the decoders (more people playing MP3s mean more people buying the encoders so more people will play MP3s, loop ad infinitum), which is why I asked what's the problem with MP3 "just working". See these URLs: http://www.8hz.com/mp3/ http://bladeenc.mp3.no/ http://www.mp3dev.org/mp3/ (for the interesting "educational purposes" rationale) http://www.mp3licensing.com AFAICT only the LAME project continues to produce an open-source MP3 encoder, and they are vocal about the fact that it is not based on the dist10 code. But if I recall correctly there was a time when even the LAME guys weren't really sure of their position wrt Frauenhofer's legal arm. At any rate, no binaries are available from the LAME site, only the "educational" source code. Don't take me the wrong way, I'm not fundamentally opposed to the format. I've done this research a few times already, it's always the same conclusion: Frauenhofer have worked and *will* work their legal arm to enforce their patent, EOF. >I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due to its >"encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia driver.. > > I prefer Ogg because it sounds good and is open-source. If it sucked I wouldn't use it, open-source or no. I use the nvidia driver for my ancient video card because I do some 3D+audio stuff with Pd, I like the Stellarium program, and I occasionally use the OpenGL display in Snd. When I read some rave reviews of the ATI cards from someone else on this list who does similar work, I'll consider purchasing an ATI card (assuming it's an affordable purchase). Best, dp From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sun Jan 15 16:57:09 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sun Jan 15 16:57:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <43CAC535.60107@poeticstudios.com> Lee Revell wrote: >On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 19:08 +0000, guy wrote: > > >>Hi >> >>I have read several comments about ogg format & Windoze & want to >>highlight what seems a very well kept secret. There is a brilliant & >>tiny (592kb!) open source media player for Windoze called coolplayer. >>It runs straight from the binary >>without need for installation. If you want to stick to an open music >>format it is very easy for anyone to obtain. The bottom line is folks, >>anyone can easily & freely have a means of playing ogg files on a >>windoze box. >> >>The url is http://coolplayer.sourceforge.net/ & the zip file download is >>only 318kb. >> >>Hope you do not feel this is OT as it concerns sharing music in an open >>format. >> >> > >Personally I think it's a losing battle to ask Windows users to use >anything but WMP. Like it or not MP3 is the standard. We need to make >MP3 "Just Work" on Linux. > >MP3 is not a "closed format" it just has some patent issues (which may >not be issues at all). > > http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/emd.html http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html >I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due to its >"encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia driver... > >Lee > > > > > c. www.cesaremarilungo.com From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jan 15 16:57:14 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun Jan 15 16:57:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200601151657.14415.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 15 January 2006 14:22, Lee Revell wrote: >On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 19:08 +0000, guy wrote: >> Hi >> >> I have read several comments about ogg format & Windoze & want to >> highlight what seems a very well kept secret. There is a brilliant >> & tiny (592kb!) open source media player for Windoze called >> coolplayer. It runs straight from the binary >> without need for installation. If you want to stick to an open >> music format it is very easy for anyone to obtain. The bottom line >> is folks, anyone can easily & freely have a means of playing ogg >> files on a windoze box. >> >> The url is http://coolplayer.sourceforge.net/ & the zip file >> download is only 318kb. >> >> Hope you do not feel this is OT as it concerns sharing music in an >> open format. > >Personally I think it's a losing battle to ask Windows users to use >anything but WMP. Like it or not MP3 is the standard. We need to > make MP3 "Just Work" on Linux. > >MP3 is not a "closed format" it just has some patent issues (which may >not be issues at all). > >I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due to its >"encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia driver... The difference in the audio is that we DO have a choice, and in case you've never done an A-B test, a megabyte a minute ogg is far less tiresome to listen to than a megabyte a minute mp3. Also, I was in on the negotiations if you could call it that, for an mp3 license for a web music site several years ago. For a startup site, built with linux on a 500 dollar machine they also built, the fees they wanted just for them to be able to serve mp3's were so onerous they went ogg only. They started out asking for $25k. In the case of the video, the choice is to run an ati card, but then I'm not a gamer that needs 400 frames a second, so this ati 9200SE works very well indeed here with the inkernel drivers, and beaucoup faster than the budget nvidia that went before it. Unforch, the nvidia shorted out something on the buss and blew the motherboard. When I bought a new motherboard, I was so upset with nvidia that I was bound to buy something, anything, else but another nvidia. And getting the nvidia driver to work was such a hassle that I don't think I ran it for more than a week all told, the nv driver, while too slow for tuxracer, was stable and did everything else I needed to do on a 1600x1200x32 bit screen. Tuxracer plays fine on this ati, which is no doubt faint praise, but it at least works. >Lee -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jan 15 17:06:36 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun Jan 15 17:06:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <43CAC535.60107@poeticstudios.com> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> <43CAC535.60107@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <200601151706.36306.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 15 January 2006 16:57, Cesare Marilungo wrote: >Lee Revell wrote: >>On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 19:08 +0000, guy wrote: >>>Hi >>> >>>I have read several comments about ogg format & Windoze & want to >>>highlight what seems a very well kept secret. There is a brilliant >>> & tiny (592kb!) open source media player for Windoze called >>> coolplayer. It runs straight from the binary >>>without need for installation. If you want to stick to an open >>> music format it is very easy for anyone to obtain. The bottom line >>> is folks, anyone can easily & freely have a means of playing ogg >>> files on a windoze box. >>> >>>The url is http://coolplayer.sourceforge.net/ & the zip file >>> download is only 318kb. >>> >>>Hope you do not feel this is OT as it concerns sharing music in an >>> open format. >> >>Personally I think it's a losing battle to ask Windows users to use >>anything but WMP. Like it or not MP3 is the standard. We need to >> make MP3 "Just Work" on Linux. >> >>MP3 is not a "closed format" it just has some patent issues (which >> may not be issues at all). > >http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/emd.html > >http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html Interesting. Maybe someone has convinced them that there is profit in mass production. For a barebones license 5+ years ago, it was $25k they were asking. They obviously still don't want to deal in tensies though. Thanks for the links. >>I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due to its >>"encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia driver... >> >>Lee > >c. >www.cesaremarilungo.com -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jan 15 17:13:46 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun Jan 15 17:13:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <43CAB4D4.8050607@sonaural.com> References: <43CAB4D4.8050607@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <200601151713.46195.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 15 January 2006 15:47, Brad Fuller wrote: >On 11:48 AM Jan Depner wrote: >> I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due to its >> >> > "encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia driver... > >Is there an alternative to the Nvidia driver? If so, I sure would like >to know what it is! > >brad Sure. In kernel, the nv driver. Its only 2d, but it is stable and does what it does quite well. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 15 17:20:08 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 15 17:20:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <43CAC94D.2020304@woh.rr.com> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> <43CAC94D.2020304@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1137363609.25801.101.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 17:14 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > >Personally I think it's a losing battle to ask Windows users to use > >anything but WMP. Like it or not MP3 is the standard. We need to make > >MP3 "Just Work" on Linux. > > > > > What's the problem ? Is there a lack of MP3 players for Linux ? > Install a random Linux distro, simple MP3 *playback* is usually not enabled OOTB (Mandriva seems to be the exception). They make you deal with external package repositories to get the packages needed for MP3 support which means editing /etc/apt/sources.list or whatever. Every time there's a Linux story on /. this is one of the complaints that comes up. And rightly so, MP3 playback is up there with email and Web browsing, they can't believe that any system where this does not Just Work could be worth a damn. Many of them give up at that point, and we've lost a potential Linux user for good... If there were a "New Linux User FAQ" I suspect "I just installed Linux, why can't I play MP3s?" would be in the top 2 or 3. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 15 17:27:14 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 15 17:27:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <200601151713.46195.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <43CAB4D4.8050607@sonaural.com> <200601151713.46195.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1137364034.25801.104.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 17:13 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 15 January 2006 15:47, Brad Fuller wrote: > >On 11:48 AM Jan Depner wrote: > >> I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due to its > >> > >> > "encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia driver... > > > >Is there an alternative to the Nvidia driver? If so, I sure would like > >to know what it is! > > > >brad > > Sure. In kernel, the nv driver. Its only 2d, but it is stable and does > what it does quite well. > It's an X driver not a kernel driver, FWIW. (Sorry I brought up the nvidia issue, this caused a huge flame war last time and I did not mean to go there...) Lee From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sun Jan 15 17:33:39 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sun Jan 15 17:33:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <1137363609.25801.101.camel@mindpipe> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> <43CAC94D.2020304@woh.rr.com> <1137363609.25801.101.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <43CACDC3.20503@poeticstudios.com> Lee Revell wrote: >On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 17:14 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >>Lee Revell wrote: >> >> >> >>>Personally I think it's a losing battle to ask Windows users to use >>>anything but WMP. Like it or not MP3 is the standard. We need to make >>>MP3 "Just Work" on Linux. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>What's the problem ? Is there a lack of MP3 players for Linux ? >> >> >> > >Install a random Linux distro, simple MP3 *playback* is usually not >enabled OOTB (Mandriva seems to be the exception). They make you deal >with external package repositories to get the packages needed for MP3 >support which means editing /etc/apt/sources.list or whatever. > >Every time there's a Linux story on /. this is one of the complaints >that comes up. And rightly so, MP3 playback is up there with email and >Web browsing, they can't believe that any system where this does not >Just Work could be worth a damn. Many of them give up at that point, >and we've lost a potential Linux user for good... > >If there were a "New Linux User FAQ" I suspect "I just installed Linux, >why can't I play MP3s?" would be in the top 2 or 3. > >Lee > > > > Maybe it is just because a distro that is shipped in large quantities should otherwise pay royalties? c. www.cesaremarilungo.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 15 17:34:22 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 15 17:34:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <200601151657.14415.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> <200601151657.14415.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1137364463.25801.111.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 16:57 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > The difference in the audio is that we DO have a choice, and in case > you've never done an A-B test, a megabyte a minute ogg is far less > tiresome to listen to than a megabyte a minute mp3. Also, I was in on > the negotiations if you could call it that, for an mp3 license for a > web music site several years ago. For a startup site, built with > linux on a 500 dollar machine they also built, the fees they wanted > just for them to be able to serve mp3's were so onerous they went ogg > only. They started out asking for $25k. Hmm, interesting, that's good info. I wonder if that has gone up or down as the patents get closer to expiration (decoding in 2011, encoding in ~2015). Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 15 17:38:55 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 15 17:39:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <43CACDC3.20503@poeticstudios.com> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> <43CAC94D.2020304@woh.rr.com> <1137363609.25801.101.camel@mindpipe> <43CACDC3.20503@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <1137364736.25801.116.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 23:33 +0100, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Maybe it is just because a distro that is shipped in large quantities > should otherwise pay royalties? > They don't have to ship it, they just have to set up their installer so it goes on the Net and downloads the MP3 packages from a server in a non software patent country. For example (not to beat a dead horse) the distros can't ship the Nvidia binary driver, as this would violate the GPL (GPL code cannot be linked with proprietary code) but some have a package where if you "apt-get install" it, it will go and grab the driver from nvidia's site, compile the wrapper and link it to the kernel you are running. It's still a GPL violation, but the individual user is violating the GPL, not the distro. Lee From brad at sonaural.com Sun Jan 15 18:04:16 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Sun Jan 15 18:05:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <1137360371.23566.6.camel@eviltwin> References: <43CAB4D4.8050607@sonaural.com> <1137358480.25801.71.camel@mindpipe> <43CABC20.2020904@sonaural.com> <1137360371.23566.6.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <43CAD4F0.9010004@sonaural.com> Jan Depner wrote: >On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 13:18 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > >>Lee Revell wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 12:47 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>On 11:48 AM Jan Depner wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due to its >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>"encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia driver... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Is there an alternative to the Nvidia driver? If so, I sure would like >>>>to know what it is! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Yes, the open source "nv" driver. Does not support hardware accelerated >>>3D, but then again we care more about free software than being able to >>>use every bell and whistle, right? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>I care about getting the job done well, first of all. I sure would like >>it to be FOSS, though! >>On my systems, the nvidia driver seems to work better for mpeg2 than nv. >>That's why I'm using it. But, it too has problems on some older nvidia >>chipsets. >> >> > > We've been through this before. If all you have to worry about is >mpeg2 playback you should be able to get by with the nv driver. I have >extreme 3D requirements (not games) and there is not a comparable driver >of any type for any other card > > can the nv driver make use of nvidia hw facilities like XvMC? If so, that'd be great. From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sun Jan 15 18:27:15 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sun Jan 15 18:27:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <1137364736.25801.116.camel@mindpipe> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> <43CAC94D.2020304@woh.rr.com> <1137363609.25801.101.camel@mindpipe> <43CACDC3.20503@poeticstudios.com> <1137364736.25801.116.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <43CADA53.9080608@poeticstudios.com> Lee Revell wrote: >On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 23:33 +0100, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > >>Maybe it is just because a distro that is shipped in large quantities >>should otherwise pay royalties? >> >> >> > >They don't have to ship it, they just have to set up their installer so >it goes on the Net and downloads the MP3 packages from a server in a non >software patent country. > >For example (not to beat a dead horse) the distros can't ship the Nvidia >binary driver, as this would violate the GPL (GPL code cannot be linked >with proprietary code) but some have a package where if you "apt-get >install" it, it will go and grab the driver from nvidia's site, compile >the wrapper and link it to the kernel you are running. It's still a GPL >violation, but the individual user is violating the GPL, not the distro. > >Lee > > > > > Yes, but this explains why mp3 doesn't work out of the box in gnu/Linux. What I'm trying to say is that the assumption that you won't get caught doesn't mean it's legal. There are some distros (for example yoper, or gamesknoppix) that indeed ship with the nvidia binary. I think we should be careful when we say that mp3 is not a proprietary codec. Meanwhile, I found this link I've bookmarked some weeks ago: http://www.mondodesigno.com/music/ogg.html Read the paragraph: "What's wrong with mp3?" c. www.cesaremarilungo.com From set at pobox.com Sun Jan 15 18:46:26 2006 From: set at pobox.com (Paul) Date: Sun Jan 15 18:46:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060115234626.GS7450@squish.home.loc> Lee Revell , on Sun Jan 15, 2006 [02:22:45 PM] said: > > Personally I think it's a losing battle to ask Windows users to use > anything but WMP. Like it or not MP3 is the standard. We need to make > MP3 "Just Work" on Linux. > > MP3 is not a "closed format" it just has some patent issues (which may > not be issues at all). > > I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due to its > "encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia driver... > > Lee > Hi; There is some possibility of having mp3 'just work' after Fluendo licensed the mp3 'tech'. I dont know how much of a practical effect this will have for the various distributions, however: http://lwn.net/Articles/165985/ Paul set@pobox.com From kevinc at doink.com Sun Jan 15 20:13:32 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Sun Jan 15 20:14:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <43CAC94D.2020304@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060116011333.1C47F4068@joseph.doink.com> Anyone else besides me subscribe to "Pro Audio Review"? I was heartened to see hardware advertised in that magazine which supports OGG/Vorbis. OGG being marketed to, or demanded by, pro-audio customers is a good thing I'd think. -- Kevin From kevinc at doink.com Sun Jan 15 20:18:41 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Sun Jan 15 20:19:22 2006 Subject: MP3 (was Re: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy) In-Reply-To: <1137360812.25801.84.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060116011841.761884068@joseph.doink.com> On 15 January 2006 at 16:33, Lee Revell wrote: > Hmm, can they really do that? At least I don't think US patent law > allows it, otherwise the pharmaceutical companies would do the same > thing to block generic drugs. Nexium is a small adjustment to the Priolosec formulation from what I understand. I could be wrong tho. Disney just has their legal department change copyright laws when they need to extend the profit life of Mickey Mouse. OK, I'll stop being a cynic any day now. ;-) -- Kevin From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 15 20:23:39 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 15 20:23:45 2006 Subject: MP3 (was Re: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy) In-Reply-To: <20060116011841.761884068@joseph.doink.com> References: <20060116011841.761884068@joseph.doink.com> Message-ID: <1137374620.25801.124.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 17:18 -0800, Kevin Cosgrove wrote: > On 15 January 2006 at 16:33, Lee Revell wrote: > > > Hmm, can they really do that? At least I don't think US patent law > > allows it, otherwise the pharmaceutical companies would do the same > > thing to block generic drugs. > > Nexium is a small adjustment to the Priolosec formulation from what I > understand. I could be wrong tho. > > Disney just has their legal department change copyright laws when > they need to extend the profit life of Mickey Mouse. > > OK, I'll stop being a cynic any day now. ;-) > Bwahahaha, you mean the "Sonny Bono Copyright Act"? The one that Congress slapped their recently deceased colleague's name onto so they could pass it? I don't think you're the cynic here... Lee From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sun Jan 15 20:30:19 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sun Jan 15 20:31:38 2006 Subject: MP3 (was Re: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy) In-Reply-To: <1137360812.25801.84.camel@mindpipe> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> <1137354511.23566.1.camel@eviltwin> <1137354901.25801.59.camel@mindpipe> <1137360197.23566.3.camel@eviltwin> <1137360812.25801.84.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1137375019.23566.9.camel@eviltwin> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 16:33 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 15:23 -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 14:55 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 13:48 -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > > > > I don't have any problem using mp3 (as demonstrated) but ogg is > > > > superior in reproducing the sound of the original. If it weren't for > > > > exactly what you pointed out I would much prefer using ogg. > > > > > > This reminds me, when do the MP3 patents expire? Because at that point, > > > we'll have to switch everyone back to MP3... > > > > > > > Good point, but I think Fraunhofer keeps extending them by adding > > minor changes. > > > > Hmm, can they really do that? At least I don't think US patent law > allows it, otherwise the pharmaceutical companies would do the same > thing to block generic drugs. > > And if so wouldn't an MP3 implementation based on the original expired > patents be in the clear? > I'm not entirely sure but there was a case that was mentioned on Groklaw where the patent holder kept adding minor changes to lengthen the duration of the patent. Luckily, in that case, he was defeated in court. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sun Jan 15 20:31:50 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sun Jan 15 20:33:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <1137360852.25801.86.camel@mindpipe> References: <43CAB4D4.8050607@sonaural.com> <1137358480.25801.71.camel@mindpipe> <43CABC20.2020904@sonaural.com> <1137360371.23566.6.camel@eviltwin> <1137360852.25801.86.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1137375110.23566.12.camel@eviltwin> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 16:34 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 15:26 -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 13:18 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > > Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > > >On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 12:47 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>On 11:48 AM Jan Depner wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due to its > > > >>> > "encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia driver... > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>Is there an alternative to the Nvidia driver? If so, I sure would like > > > >>to know what it is! > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >Yes, the open source "nv" driver. Does not support hardware accelerated > > > >3D, but then again we care more about free software than being able to > > > >use every bell and whistle, right? > > > > > > > > > > > I care about getting the job done well, first of all. I sure would like > > > it to be FOSS, though! > > > On my systems, the nvidia driver seems to work better for mpeg2 than nv. > > > That's why I'm using it. But, it too has problems on some older nvidia > > > chipsets. > > > > We've been through this before. If all you have to worry about is > > mpeg2 playback you should be able to get by with the nv driver. I have > > extreme 3D requirements (not games) and there is not a comparable driver > > of any type for any other card. > > > > Yeah sorry I did not want to restart that flame war, I was just trying > to illustrate a point... > No need to apologize. I certainly favor your view on this. I just wish there were some way to get a really good, accelerated, open 3D driver for some video card. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sun Jan 15 20:40:01 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sun Jan 15 20:41:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <1137364736.25801.116.camel@mindpipe> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> <43CAC94D.2020304@woh.rr.com> <1137363609.25801.101.camel@mindpipe> <43CACDC3.20503@poeticstudios.com> <1137364736.25801.116.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1137375601.23566.15.camel@eviltwin> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 17:38 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 23:33 +0100, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > Maybe it is just because a distro that is shipped in large quantities > > should otherwise pay royalties? > > > > They don't have to ship it, they just have to set up their installer so > it goes on the Net and downloads the MP3 packages from a server in a non > software patent country. > > For example (not to beat a dead horse) the distros can't ship the Nvidia > binary driver, as this would violate the GPL (GPL code cannot be linked > with proprietary code) but some have a package where if you "apt-get > install" it, it will go and grab the driver from nvidia's site, compile > the wrapper and link it to the kernel you are running. It's still a GPL > violation, but the individual user is violating the GPL, not the distro. > Damn good point! Unfortunately, with the latest US Supreme Court ruling on contributory infringement I doubt if any US distro could get away with this. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jan 15 21:54:08 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun Jan 15 21:55:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <20060116011333.1C47F4068@joseph.doink.com> References: <20060116011333.1C47F4068@joseph.doink.com> Message-ID: <200601152154.08269.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 15 January 2006 20:13, Kevin Cosgrove wrote: >Anyone else besides me subscribe to "Pro Audio Review"? I was >heartened to see hardware advertised in that magazine which supports >OGG/Vorbis. OGG being marketed to, or demanded by, pro-audio >customers is a good thing I'd think. > >-- >Kevin And that is indeed good news, Kevin. But can we make mp3 irrevelant by the time the patents expire? That should be the goal. And yes, the pro audio folks are well aware of ogg from my observations. Now we just need to figure out a way to get that message out to Joe SixPack & friends. We, or better yet FOSS/Vorbis, need some sort of a "new, and improved, and better than mp3" label and logo that can readily be identified by Joe to be used in ALL publicity. OTOH, very few seem to understand that the lack of the Phillips owned "compact disk digital audio" label on a cd should mean other than squat to them. Phillips hasn't exactly spent more than pocket change to tell the public about that. Education, education, education. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Jan 15 22:10:53 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun Jan 15 22:11:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <1137375110.23566.12.camel@eviltwin> References: <43CAB4D4.8050607@sonaural.com> <1137360852.25801.86.camel@mindpipe> <1137375110.23566.12.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <200601152210.53348.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 15 January 2006 20:31, Jan Depner wrote: >On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 16:34 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: >> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 15:26 -0600, Jan Depner wrote: >> > On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 13:18 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: >> > > Lee Revell wrote: >> > > >On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 12:47 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: >> > > >>On 11:48 AM Jan Depner wrote: >> > > >>> I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due >> > > >>> to its >> > > >>> >> > > >>> > "encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia >> > > >>> > driver... >> > > >> >> > > >>Is there an alternative to the Nvidia driver? If so, I sure >> > > >> would like to know what it is! >> > > > >> > > >Yes, the open source "nv" driver. Does not support hardware >> > > > accelerated 3D, but then again we care more about free >> > > > software than being able to use every bell and whistle, right? >> > > >> > > I care about getting the job done well, first of all. I sure >> > > would like it to be FOSS, though! >> > > On my systems, the nvidia driver seems to work better for mpeg2 >> > > than nv. That's why I'm using it. But, it too has problems on >> > > some older nvidia chipsets. >> > >> > We've been through this before. If all you have to worry >> > about is mpeg2 playback you should be able to get by with the nv >> > driver. I have extreme 3D requirements (not games) and there is >> > not a comparable driver of any type for any other card. >> >> Yeah sorry I did not want to restart that flame war, I was just >> trying to illustrate a point... > > No need to apologize. I certainly favor your view on this. I > just wish there were some way to get a really good, accelerated, open > 3D driver for some video card. So do we all, Jan. In fact, the suits at ati funded an open source driver for their better card, what 3 years ago? Presumably to impress us FOSS frogs I think. It might have been nice, but AIR by the time the driver was released, the card on the dealers shelves had a new, totally incompatible chipset on it. A classic case of the boardroom not knowing, or careing about, what engineering/production was doing as long as sales were steady. And this was done without changing a single character in the artwork of the box. I even went out and bought the supposedly correct driver from some x outfit, but it also wouldn't even see the card. I tried to get a refund but their defense was that I still had a copy of the driver, so the charge on my card stood. At that point I returned the card to the vendor I'd bought it from and made no attempt to hide the smoke pouring liberally from both ears when I did so. A lot of yelling about false advertising at the time. But when the nvidia card I'd bought to replace that ati died a year later and wiped a mobo doing it, I was so upset with nvidia that another ati seemed like the lessor of 2 evils. And so far, it has been. That knocking sound in the background? Me, knocking on wood... And now there is an nvidia card in the rebuilt box out in the shop thats running my milling machine. Damned if I do, and damned if I don't I guess. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From dlc at radix.net Mon Jan 16 02:15:48 2006 From: dlc at radix.net (David L. Craig) Date: Mon Jan 16 02:16:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden Catalyzing NMI 35 Reboot Message-ID: <20060116071548.GA4748@saltmine.radix.net> I'm running gentoo-sources-2.6.14-r5 on an IBM 5664 Netfinity server with no problems until I try running Rosegarden. Every time I have the system reboots after 30-60 seconds with the following error message in the kernel log: Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 35 on CPU 0. The one unusual hardware component to the server is an M Audio Delta 1010 that has served me faithfully to date using Ardour. It may have something to do with the MIDI interfaces since this is the first time I'm trying to do anything with MIDI. I did an strace of rosegarden and it generated several megabytes of data. The messages rosegarden prints don't appear to reveal any glaring problems to my ignorant eyes. I searched the IBM website for non-maskable interrupt issues without success. As I bought the box on eBay I do not have IBM software or documentation, nor can I afford support. I would appreciate the assistance of the more knowledgable among this list with determining the best direction to go with this problem. The full kernel log and dmesg files follow. -- May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave Craig - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "'So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe.'" --from _Nightfall_ by Asimov/Silverberg = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = dlc@muse ~ $ sudo cat /var/log/kernel/current Password: Jan 16 01:12:00 [kernel] [4294667.296000] Linux version 2.6.14-gentoo-r5 (root@muse) (gcc version 3.3.6 (Gentoo 3.3.6, ssp-3.3.6-1.0, pie-8.7.8)) #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jan 16 01:00:29 EST 2006 Jan 16 01:12:02 [kernel] [ 40.966297] eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 Jan 16 01:12:30 [kernel] [ 68.762937] mtrr: Serverworks LE rev < 6 detected. Write-combining disabled. Jan 16 01:12:30 [kernel] [ 68.763128] mtrr: your processor doesn't support write-combining Jan 16 01:26:48 [kernel] [ 931.386133] Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 35 on CPU 0. Jan 16 01:29:59 [kernel] [4294667.296000] Linux version 2.6.14-gentoo-r5 (root@muse) (gcc version 3.3.6 (Gentoo 3.3.6, ssp-3.3.6-1.0, pie-8.7.8)) #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jan 16 01:00:29 EST 2006 Jan 16 01:30:01 [kernel] [ 41.265632] eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 Jan 16 01:30:16 [kernel] [ 56.039429] mtrr: Serverworks LE rev < 6 detected. Write-combining disabled. dlc@muse ~ $ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = dlc@muse ~ $ dmesg [4294667.296000] Linux version 2.6.14-gentoo-r5 (root@muse) (gcc version 3.3.6 (Gentoo 3.3.6, ssp-3.3.6-1.0, pie-8.7.8)) #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jan 16 01:00:29 EST 2006 [4294667.296000] BIOS-provided physical RAM map: [4294667.296000] BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009e000 (usable) [4294667.296000] BIOS-e820: 000000000009e000 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) [4294667.296000] BIOS-e820: 00000000000e0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) [4294667.296000] BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 000000001fffb8c0 (usable) [4294667.296000] BIOS-e820: 000000001fffb8c0 - 0000000020000000 (ACPI data) [4294667.296000] BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec01000 (reserved) [4294667.296000] BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fee01000 (reserved) [4294667.296000] BIOS-e820: 00000000fff80000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) [4294667.296000] 511MB LOWMEM available. [4294667.296000] found SMP MP-table at 0009e140 [4294667.296000] On node 0 totalpages: 131067 [4294667.296000] DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:1 [4294667.296000] Normal zone: 126971 pages, LIFO batch:31 [4294667.296000] HighMem zone: 0 pages, LIFO batch:1 [4294667.296000] DMI 2.1 present. [4294667.296000] Intel MultiProcessor Specification v1.4 [4294667.296000] Virtual Wire compatibility mode. [4294667.296000] OEM ID: IBM GNK Product ID: Teton SMP APIC at: 0xFEE00000 [4294667.296000] Processor #1 6:8 APIC version 17 [4294667.296000] Processor #0 6:8 APIC version 17 [4294667.296000] I/O APIC #14 Version 17 at 0xFEC00000. [4294667.296000] I/O APIC #15 Version 17 at 0xFEC01000. [4294667.296000] Enabling APIC mode: Flat. Using 2 I/O APICs [4294667.296000] Processors: 2 [4294667.296000] Allocating PCI resources starting at 30000000 (gap: 20000000:dec00000) [4294667.296000] Built 1 zonelists [4294667.296000] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=G2-2.6.14-r5 root=804 devfs=mount [4294667.296000] mapped APIC to ffffd000 (fee00000) [4294667.296000] mapped IOAPIC to ffffc000 (fec00000) [4294667.296000] mapped IOAPIC to ffffb000 (fec01000) [4294667.296000] Initializing CPU#0 [4294667.296000] PID hash table entries: 2048 (order: 11, 32768 bytes) [ 0.000000] Detected 866.763 MHz processor. [ 83.528552] Using tsc for high-res timesource [ 83.530340] Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 [ 83.532344] Dentry cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) [ 83.535141] Inode-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) [ 83.580862] Memory: 515400k/524268k available (2206k kernel code, 8336k reserved, 750k data, 200k init, 0k highmem) [ 83.580910] Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode... Ok. [ 83.640761] Calibrating delay using timer specific routine.. 1734.30 BogoMIPS (lpj=867151) [ 83.640862] Security Framework v1.0.0 initialized [ 83.640911] Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 [ 83.641140] CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0387fbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 [ 83.641156] CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0387fbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 [ 83.641175] CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K [ 83.641203] CPU: L2 cache: 256K [ 83.641222] CPU serial number disabled. [ 83.641247] CPU: After all inits, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 00000000 00000040 00000000 00000000 00000000 [ 83.641261] Intel machine check architecture supported. [ 83.641286] Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. [ 83.641322] mtrr: v2.0 (20020519) [ 83.641351] Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. [ 83.641376] Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. [ 83.641410] Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. [ 83.645009] CPU0: Intel Pentium III (Coppermine) stepping 06 [ 83.645080] Booting processor 1/0 eip 2000 [ 83.655398] Initializing CPU#1 [ 83.715742] Calibrating delay using timer specific routine.. 1732.25 BogoMIPS (lpj=866129) [ 83.715753] CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0387fbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 [ 83.715764] CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0387fbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 [ 83.715779] CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K [ 83.715784] CPU: L2 cache: 256K [ 83.715788] CPU serial number disabled. [ 83.715793] CPU: After all inits, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 00000000 00000040 00000000 00000000 00000000 [ 83.715803] Intel machine check architecture supported. [ 83.715810] Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#1. [ 83.716168] CPU1: Intel Pentium III (Coppermine) stepping 06 [ 83.716350] Total of 2 processors activated (3466.56 BogoMIPS). [ 83.716542] ENABLING IO-APIC IRQs [ 83.716569] BIOS bug, IO-APIC#1 ID is 15 in the MPC table!... [ 83.716592] ... fixing up to 15. (tell your hw vendor) [ 83.716866] ..TIMER: vector=0x31 pin1=2 pin2=0 [ 83.726902] ..MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC [ 83.726928] ...trying to set up timer (IRQ0) through the 8259A ... [ 83.726941] ..... (found pin 0) ...works. [ 83.838724] checking TSC synchronization across 2 CPUs: passed. [ 0.001023] Brought up 2 CPUs [ 0.001915] NET: Registered protocol family 16 [ 0.002239] PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfd34c, last bus=4 [ 0.002269] mtrr: your CPUs had inconsistent fixed MTRR settings [ 0.002289] mtrr: probably your BIOS does not setup all CPUs. [ 0.002313] mtrr: corrected configuration. [ 0.003615] SCSI subsystem initialized [ 0.003664] PCI: Probing PCI hardware [ 0.003689] PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) [ 0.004054] Boot video device is 0000:00:01.0 [ 0.005078] PCI: Discovered peer bus 01 [ 0.005877] PCI->APIC IRQ transform: 0000:00:02.0[A] -> IRQ 225 [ 0.005907] PCI->APIC IRQ transform: 0000:00:0a.0[A] -> IRQ 161 [ 0.005939] PCI->APIC IRQ transform: 0000:00:0f.2[A] -> IRQ 9 [ 0.005982] PCI->APIC IRQ transform: 0000:01:05.0[A] -> IRQ 169 [ 0.006008] PCI->APIC IRQ transform: 0000:01:07.0[A] -> IRQ 201 [ 0.009367] Machine check exception polling timer started. [ 0.011241] audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled) [ 0.011289] audit(1137392965.261:1): initialized [ 0.011763] Initializing Cryptographic API [ 0.011887] pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5 [ 0.011910] ibmphpd: IBM Hot Plug PCI Controller Driver version: 0.6 [ 0.015533] Real Time Clock Driver v1.12 [ 0.017241] serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 [ 0.017341] serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 [ 0.017369] Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 4 ports, IRQ sharing disabled [ 0.017679] ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A [ 0.017889] ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A [ 0.018419] parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP,TRISTATE] [ 0.100193] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice [ 0.100222] io scheduler noop registered [ 0.100282] io scheduler deadline registered [ 0.100385] Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M [ 0.115330] FDC 0 is a National Semiconductor PC87306 [ 0.116492] pcnet32.c:v1.30j 29.04.2005 tsbogend@alpha.franken.de [ 0.116613] pcnet32: PCnet/FAST III 79C975 at 0x2000, 00 06 29 a8 d8 95 assigned IRQ 225. [ 0.116813] eth0: registered as PCnet/FAST III 79C975 [ 0.116849] pcnet32: 1 cards_found. [ 0.116970] Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 [ 0.117000] ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx [ 0.117216] Probing IDE interface ide0... [ 0.126777] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0 [ 0.296636] logips2pp: Detected unknown logitech mouse model 62 [ 0.342294] input: ImExPS/2 Logitech Explorer Mouse on isa0060/serio1 [ 0.917997] hda: LTN485S, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive [ 1.223680] Probing IDE interface ide1... [ 1.743568] ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 [ 1.744592] hda: ATAPI 48X CD-ROM drive, 120kB Cache [ 1.744639] Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 [ 1.757433] scsi0 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 7.0 [ 1.757438] [ 1.757441] aic7880: Ultra Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/253 SCBs [ 1.757444] [ 16.760710] Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST318203LC Rev: 0002 [ 16.760922] Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 [ 16.760987] scsi0:A:0:0: Tagged Queuing enabled. Depth 32 [ 16.761035] target0:0:0: Beginning Domain Validation [ 16.766186] target0:0:0: wide asynchronous. [ 16.769550] target0:0:0: Domain Validation skipping write tests [ 16.769954] target0:0:0: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50 ns, offset 8) [ 16.774323] target0:0:0: Ending Domain Validation [ 17.044195] Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST318203LC Rev: 0003 [ 17.044395] Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 [ 17.044457] scsi0:A:2:0: Tagged Queuing enabled. Depth 32 [ 17.044506] target0:0:2: Beginning Domain Validation [ 17.049608] target0:0:2: wide asynchronous. [ 17.052950] target0:0:2: Domain Validation skipping write tests [ 17.053348] target0:0:2: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50 ns, offset 8) [ 17.057702] target0:0:2: Ending Domain Validation [ 20.211323] SCSI device sda: 35566480 512-byte hdwr sectors (18210 MB) [ 20.212806] SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back [ 20.213707] SCSI device sda: 35566480 512-byte hdwr sectors (18210 MB) [ 20.215189] SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back [ 20.215217] sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 [ 20.226722] Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 [ 20.229867] SCSI device sdb: 35566480 512-byte hdwr sectors (18210 MB) [ 20.231337] SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write back [ 20.232212] SCSI device sdb: 35566480 512-byte hdwr sectors (18210 MB) [ 20.233692] SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write back [ 20.233714] sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4 [ 20.240753] Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 2, lun 0 [ 20.240889] Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.10rc1 (Mon Sep 12 08:13:09 2005 UTC). [ 20.266387] ALSA device list: [ 20.266420] #0: M Audio Delta 1010 at 0x4b00, irq 201 [ 20.266444] oprofile: using NMI interrupt. [ 20.266588] NET: Registered protocol family 2 [ 20.277026] IP route cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 3, 32768 bytes) [ 20.277425] TCP established hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 393216 bytes) [ 20.278966] TCP bind hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 393216 bytes) [ 20.280787] TCP: Hash tables configured (established 32768 bind 32768) [ 20.280817] TCP reno registered [ 20.280929] TCP bic registered [ 20.280998] NET: Registered protocol family 1 [ 20.281037] NET: Registered protocol family 17 [ 20.281091] Starting balanced_irq [ 20.281150] Using IPI Shortcut mode [ 20.293174] EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem. [ 20.293206] EXT3-fs: write access will be enabled during recovery. [ 20.434486] (fs/jbd/recovery.c, 255): journal_recover: JBD: recovery, exit status 0, recovered transactions 415317 to 415365 [ 20.434501] (fs/jbd/recovery.c, 257): journal_recover: JBD: Replayed 921 and revoked 149/153 blocks [ 21.285801] EXT3-fs: recovery complete. [ 21.285859] kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds [ 21.287246] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. [ 21.287701] VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly. [ 21.288013] Freeing unused kernel memory: 200k freed [ 24.434187] Adding 996000k swap on /dev/sdb2. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:996000k [ 24.443726] Adding 996000k swap on /dev/sda2. Priority:-2 extents:1 across:996000k [ 24.743493] EXT3 FS on sda4, internal journal [ 34.305509] kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds [ 34.306179] EXT3 FS on sdb3, internal journal [ 34.306189] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. [ 34.321230] usbcore: registered new driver usbfs [ 34.322680] usbcore: registered new driver hub [ 41.265632] eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 [ 56.039429] mtrr: Serverworks LE rev < 6 detected. Write-combining disabled. [ 56.039447] mtrr: your processor doesn't support write-combining From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jan 16 03:24:40 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jan 16 03:24:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden Catalyzing NMI 35 Reboot In-Reply-To: <20060116071548.GA4748@saltmine.radix.net> References: <20060116071548.GA4748@saltmine.radix.net> Message-ID: <1137399881.19444.4.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 02:15 -0500, David L. Craig wrote: > I'm running gentoo-sources-2.6.14-r5 on an IBM 5664 > Netfinity server with no problems until I try running > Rosegarden. Every time I have the system reboots after > 30-60 seconds with the following error message in the > kernel log: > > Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 35 on CPU 0. This sounds like a hardware problem or a kernel bug, you should probably report it to the kernel mailing list. Lee From florin at andrei.myip.org Mon Jan 16 03:28:41 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Mon Jan 16 03:28:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1137400121.3145.2.camel@scout.home.local> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 19:08 +0000, guy wrote: > > I have read several comments about ogg format & Windoze & want to > highlight what seems a very well kept secret. There is a brilliant & > tiny (592kb!) open source media player for Windoze called coolplayer. "Well kept secret"? WinAMP, one of the most popular mp3 players for Windows, has been able to play ogg files/streams for quite some time now. ;-) -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From rob at curates-egg.org Mon Jan 16 03:45:11 2006 From: rob at curates-egg.org (Rob Fell) Date: Mon Jan 16 03:35:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <1137364034.25801.104.camel@mindpipe> References: <43CAB4D4.8050607@sonaural.com> <200601151713.46195.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1137364034.25801.104.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <43CB5D17.7020108@curates-egg.org> Lee Revell wrote: > (Sorry I brought up the nvidia issue, this caused a huge flame war last > time and I did not mean to go there...) Pah! That wasn't a flame-war :) R From tito at rumford.de Mon Jan 16 03:56:49 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Mon Jan 16 03:58:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137335494.19476.11.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <5bdc1c8b0601141047u4038de6av75e6a8ba45911df3@mail.gmail.com> <1137335494.19476.11.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <200601160956.30182.tito@rumford.de> Jan Depner : > http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 Good song, marvellously done. Love the harmonica. Wolfgang From b0ef at esben-stien.name Mon Jan 16 10:49:25 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Mon Jan 16 08:57:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cutting background noise from a voice recordering? In-Reply-To: (Reuben Martin's message of "Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:08:49 -0600") References: <1137259167.16287.52.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> Message-ID: <87acdw9nqy.fsf@esben-stien.name> Reuben Martin writes: > Gnome-wave-cleaner + an expander. How about realtime? -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Mon Jan 16 09:08:42 2006 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Mon Jan 16 09:08:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cutting background noise from a voice recordering? In-Reply-To: <87acdw9nqy.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <1137259167.16287.52.camel@seki.nac.uci.edu> <87acdw9nqy.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <43CBA8EA.2000906@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! >>Gnome-wave-cleaner + an expander. > > > How about realtime? > pd ;) LG Georg From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Mon Jan 16 10:15:28 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Mon Jan 16 10:15:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <43CAC94D.2020304@woh.rr.com> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> <1137352965.25801.51.camel@mindpipe> <43CAC94D.2020304@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200601161515.29343.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Sunday 15 January 2006 22:14, Dave Phillips was like: > >I find it amusing that so many people who won't use MP3 due to its > >"encumbrance" will happily run the proprietary Nvidia driver.. > > ? > > I prefer Ogg because it sounds good and is open-source. If it sucked I > wouldn't use it, open-source or no. Ditto. _And_ I'm running a Voodoo Banshee, next question? -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Mon Jan 16 10:19:43 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Mon Jan 16 10:19:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <1137358480.25801.71.camel@mindpipe> References: <43CAB4D4.8050607@sonaural.com> <1137358480.25801.71.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200601161519.43684.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Sunday 15 January 2006 20:54, Lee Revell was like: > Yes, the open source "nv" driver. ?Does not support hardware accelerated > 3D, but then again we care more about free software than being able to > use every bell and whistle, right? There are legitimate uses for 3D support in multimedia situations. We're not talking 'bells and whistles'. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From guinan at bluebutton.com Mon Jan 16 11:41:00 2006 From: guinan at bluebutton.com (Jamie Guinan) Date: Mon Jan 16 11:41:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hardware In-Reply-To: <1136012659.3050.15.camel@mindpipe> References: <1136012659.3050.15.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Lee Revell wrote: > I am thinking of getting an AMD X2 system. I want to avoid Nvidia > chipsets as their hardware is too closed and the Via stuff seems cheap > which leaves me with ATI (I realize the latest stuff does not have open > drivers, but at least there's a chance they'll release one eventually) > > Does anyone have any experience with the ASUS A8R-MVP? > > http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=BA22189 > > Thanks, > > Lee Hi Lee and group, So did you ever get your new system? I can see you're not a big fan of NVidia, but I thought I'd play a little devil's advocate here. I put together a new AMD X2 system a few weeks ago with a Tyan motherboard, NVidia CK804 (nforce4) chipset, http://www.tyan.com/products/html/tomcatk8e.html Its rock solid so far (bleeding edge Gentoo, vanilla 2.6.14), and all the devices I care about are supported. Here's my lspci output, with my comments in []'s, 00:00.0 Memory controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 Memory Controller (rev a3) 00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 ISA Bridge (rev a3) [ basic stuff, no problem ] 00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation CK804 SMBus (rev a2) [ haven't tried this yet ] 00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 USB Controller (rev a2) 00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 USB Controller (rev a3) [ works fine ] 00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2) [ driven by snd_intel8x0, despite the driver name ] 00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation CK804 IDE (rev f2) [ works fine, I have a Seagate drive ] 00:07.0 RAID bus controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 Serial ATA Controller (rev f3) 00:08.0 RAID bus controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 Serial ATA Controller (rev f3) [ haven't tried, don't have an SATA drive, might not be supported ] 00:09.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCI Bridge (rev a2) 00:0a.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 Ethernet Controller (rev a3) [ drivers/net/forcedeth.c ] 00:0b.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCIE Bridge (rev a3) 00:0c.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCIE Bridge (rev a3) 00:0d.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCIE Bridge (rev a3) 00:0e.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCIE Bridge (rev a3) 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control [ nothing here that I need to bother with ] 01:05.0 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL (rev 27) [ old chip, probably supported by Mach64 DRI for basic 3D ] 01:06.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host Controller (rev 80) [ haven't tried this yet, but it looks like bog-standard VIA OHCI ] 01:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02) [ Delta 66, works fine ] 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5721 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 11) [ yucky proprietary driver available, but I don't use this port, the above forcedeth-driven port is enough ] 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6200 TurboCache(TM) (rev a1) [ I added this, forgive me :) ] I had looked at all the others, and bought Tyan based on its reputation for stability, and mixed customer reviews of other makers (DOAs and returns). I plan to run this thing for at least 5 years. I respect your reasons for avoiding the NVidia 3D driver, but I overall the CK804 chipset isn't bad (notable exception being SATA if that doesn't work). Only hiccup was that I had to do a BIOS upgrade before it would recognize both cores of the X2 processor, and it was a little confused about how much memory I had at first (saw 16MB instead of 2GB), but I got it sorted out. I bought all the parts from newegg, including this solid/cheap case, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119047 -Jamie p.s. I don't work for NVidia. In fact, I have several close friends who work at ATI (shhh...). From kevinc at doink.com Mon Jan 16 13:01:06 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Mon Jan 16 13:01:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <200601152154.08269.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20060116180109.DF5684068@joseph.doink.com> For anyone who cares about mp3 and quality related issues -- yes, it's all been said before -- try to get a copy of the DVD-Audio disc called "The Resolution Project". It showcases a number of audio formats so that the listener can hear differences. More info is here: http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_resolution_project/ Cheers.... -- Kevin From km at km-it.de Mon Jan 16 13:32:23 2006 From: km at km-it.de (Konrad Mathieu) Date: Mon Jan 16 13:32:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] icecast2, bandwidth? In-Reply-To: <20060113231950.AC4D41CADBC@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200601161832.k0GIWBoJ017642@web.local> Following up on my recent posting about full duplex operation, I've now gotten as far as installing and running icecast2 and mplayer. Connecting it all using jackd or pd without a gui still seems like a bit of mystery to me but that will hopefully resolve along the way. Because a Hammerfall card and some ADAT interfaces is a bit of an investment, I wonder if anyone can estimate the bandwidth. Does it seem likely that an icecast box with a 100Mbit/s connection can serve and receive eight separate stereo streams simultaneously? Or would that need gigabit I/O? Thanks and cheers, Konrad From ix at replic.net Mon Jan 16 13:39:54 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Mon Jan 16 13:40:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] icecast2, bandwidth? In-Reply-To: <200601161832.k0GIWBoJ017642@web.local> References: <20060113231950.AC4D41CADBC@music.columbia.edu> <200601161832.k0GIWBoJ017642@web.local> Message-ID: <20060116183954.GB21258@replic.net> On Mon Jan 16, 2006 at 07:32:23PM +0100, Konrad Mathieu wrote: > > Following up on my recent posting about full duplex operation, I've now gotten as far as installing and running icecast2 and mplayer. > Connecting it all using jackd or pd without a gui still seems like a bit of a mystery i assume you mean the kh branch of ices which supports JACK? if so you could try jack.plumbing (but it never worked for me). for the JACK over UDP stuff youd actually want to use the same thing likely.. > > Because a Hammerfall card and some ADAT interfaces is a bit of an investment, I wonder if anyone can estimate the bandwidth. Does > it seem likely that an icecast box with a 100Mbit/s connection can serve and receive eight separate stereo streams simultaneously? you can do the math, 441000 32 bit samples is what, 176.4K/second? a high quality ogg stream, say 256kbit, would use 32K/second... > Or would that need gigabit I/O? if you have it, it doesnt hurt to use it, especially since any kind of collisions or latency can muck things up.. From techlist at pathfinder.phys.utk.edu Mon Jan 16 13:48:07 2006 From: techlist at pathfinder.phys.utk.edu (Reuben D. Budiardja) Date: Mon Jan 16 13:48:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for Sound card recommendation Message-ID: <200601161348.08800.techlist@pathfinder.phys.utk.edu> Hello, I am in the process of looking for a decent sound card to replace my current soundcard which is integrated in the motherboard. The requirement I am looking for are: 1. Supported by ALSA 2. 5.1 output channel with decent sound. 3. Have MIDI/Joystick port and MIDI capture is supported by ALSA. I want the to use the computer to capture MIDI from my keyboard with some sort of sequencer program so then I can print the music. 4. Line-in and Mic input. Line-in capture should be supported so I can record / digitize music. 5. Not too expensive :). Probably I am looking at around $50 or less to spend. Is there such soundcard ? I was first thinking Sound Blaster Live 5.1 but that card is hard to find nowadays in any online store that I browsed. So any recommendation / suggestion, and probably with link, is greatly appreciated. Thank you. RDB -- Reuben D. Budiardja Dept. Physics and Astronomy University of Tennessee, Knoxville, TN From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Mon Jan 16 14:26:48 2006 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio64) Date: Mon Jan 16 14:27:05 2006 Subject: MP3 (was Re: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy) In-Reply-To: <20060116011841.761884068@joseph.doink.com> References: <20060116011841.761884068@joseph.doink.com> Message-ID: <43CBF378.2030405@walescomputers.co.uk> Hi Doesn't Winamp play ogg?? Most users I know use winamp anyway. (the ones I know and help do!) Thing is Ogg sounds better. cheers Bob Kevin Cosgrove wrote: >On 15 January 2006 at 16:33, Lee Revell wrote: > > > >>Hmm, can they really do that? At least I don't think US patent law >>allows it, otherwise the pharmaceutical companies would do the same >>thing to block generic drugs. >> >> > >Nexium is a small adjustment to the Priolosec formulation from what I >understand. I could be wrong tho. > >Disney just has their legal department change copyright laws when >they need to extend the profit life of Mickey Mouse. > >OK, I'll stop being a cynic any day now. ;-) > > >-- >Kevin > > > > > From riwright at vt.edu Mon Jan 16 14:29:00 2006 From: riwright at vt.edu (Rick Wright) Date: Mon Jan 16 14:29:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] questions regarding SBLive multichannel use In-Reply-To: <1137351137.25801.44.camel@mindpipe> References: <43C92D35.5050308@woh.rr.com> <1137351137.25801.44.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <43CBF3FC.2090801@vt.edu> Lee Revell wrote: >On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 11:56 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >>Greetings: >> >> This question is directed to Lee Revell and anyone who is using or has >>tried to use the multichannel capability for the ALSA SBLive module. >> >> When I select multichannel duplex operation in QJackCtl I get 16 >>channels for input and two channels for output. Is that the default I/O >>channel arrangement ? >> >> >> > >You should get 16 in and 16 out. You have to individually select the >multichannel devices for input (hw:x,2) and output (hw:x,3). > > What Lee said. I am using the EMU10K1 driver on both an Audigy2 EX and ZS models. These cards both have 6 analog inputs (3 stereo lines) and the EX is 6.1 out (7 analog outputs) and the ZS is 7.1 out (8 analog outputs). I have worked out the mapping from the pcm_capture and pcm_playback ports to the physical analog inputs and outputs which I will share if you are interested. The only problem I found is that the alsa-mixer volume control sliders are left-right switched for all of the stereo output pairs. I mean, if you plug a standard 1/8" stereo-to-RCA cable into the stereo output on the card, the appropriate left slider controls the signal on the red RCA plug - which is typically the right channel - and vice versa. This is true for all stereo output pairs. I reported this bug to the ALSA bugtracker about a year ago (https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=904), but the behavior persists.... Rick From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Mon Jan 16 14:40:55 2006 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio64) Date: Mon Jan 16 14:41:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <20060116180109.DF5684068@joseph.doink.com> References: <20060116180109.DF5684068@joseph.doink.com> Message-ID: <43CBF6C7.5000108@walescomputers.co.uk> Hi Kevin Just taken a look at the site, I see Ogg isn't used or mentioned as a format. Nice page though and I would love to hear the DVD sometime. Do you know if it's available in the UK? cheers Bob Kevin Cosgrove wrote: >For anyone who cares about mp3 and quality related issues -- yes, it's >all been said before -- try to get a copy of the DVD-Audio disc >called "The Resolution Project". It showcases a number of audio >formats so that the listener can hear differences. More info is here: > >http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_resolution_project/ > >Cheers.... > >-- >Kevin > > > > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jan 16 15:09:21 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jan 16 15:09:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] questions regarding SBLive multichannel use In-Reply-To: <43CBF3FC.2090801@vt.edu> References: <43C92D35.5050308@woh.rr.com> <1137351137.25801.44.camel@mindpipe> <43CBF3FC.2090801@vt.edu> Message-ID: <1137442162.19444.17.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 14:29 -0500, Rick Wright wrote: > The only problem I found is that the alsa-mixer volume control sliders > are left-right switched for all of the stereo output pairs. That's only the EX right? The Audigy2 ZS should not have that problem. Lee From hanaghan at starband.net Mon Jan 16 13:24:24 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Mon Jan 16 15:23:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] questions regarding SBLive multichannel use In-Reply-To: <43CBF3FC.2090801@vt.edu> References: <43C92D35.5050308@woh.rr.com> <1137351137.25801.44.camel@mindpipe> <43CBF3FC.2090801@vt.edu> Message-ID: <43CBE4D8.60200@starband.net> Rick Wright wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > >> On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 11:56 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: >> >> >>> Greetings: >>> >>> This question is directed to Lee Revell and anyone who is using or >>> has tried to use the multichannel capability for the ALSA SBLive >>> module. >>> >>> When I select multichannel duplex operation in QJackCtl I get 16 >>> channels for input and two channels for output. Is that the default >>> I/O channel arrangement ? >>> >>> >> >> >> You should get 16 in and 16 out. You have to individually select the >> multichannel devices for input (hw:x,2) and output (hw:x,3). >> >> > What Lee said. > > I am using the EMU10K1 driver on both an Audigy2 EX and ZS models. > These cards both have 6 analog inputs (3 stereo lines) and the EX is > 6.1 out (7 analog outputs) and the ZS is 7.1 out (8 analog outputs). > I have worked out the mapping from the pcm_capture and pcm_playback > ports to the physical analog inputs and outputs which I will share if > you are interested. > > The only problem I found is that the alsa-mixer volume control sliders > are left-right switched for all of the stereo output pairs. I mean, > if you plug a standard 1/8" stereo-to-RCA cable into the stereo output > on the card, the appropriate left slider controls the signal on the > red RCA plug - which is typically the right channel - and vice versa. > This is true for all stereo output pairs. > > I reported this bug to the ALSA bugtracker about a year ago > (https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=904), but the > behavior persists.... > > Rick > > Does this work on older SBlive 5.1 cards as well? Thanks R~ From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Jan 16 15:29:38 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon Jan 16 15:36:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Timidity tarball install now working Message-ID: <200601162129.38798.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Hi Tim. Just out of academic interest I thought I'd send you "my" fix for getting the tarball install of TiMidity 2.13.2 working. Just trash this if your not interested. On FC2, install with apt-get, timidity++-2.11.3-9. Next, with KDE's superuser file manager or the CLI, copy /usr/share/timidity to /home/user_name/timidity. Then copy /etc/timidity.cfg to /home/user_name/timidity.conf. Next. Uninstall the timidity++-2.11.3-9 install, which only has run from CLI or ncurses interfaces. Next run ./configure for the 2.13.2 version which you have unpacked and waiting for action in your /home/user_name directory. Syntax follows. ./configure --enable-debug --enable-audio=alsa,jack --enable-interface=ncurses,emacs,gtk --enable-spectogram (enter) make (enter) make install (su to root then enter) So far so good. Now, open Kde's superuser file manager again or use cp from the CLI, and copy /home/user_name/timidity to /usr/local/share/timidity, and /home/user_name/timidity.cfg to /etc/timidity.conf. Now this didn't work first go, as the /etc/timidity.conf was looking for the GUS patches is /usr/share timidity, and I got errors showing that. So a bit more work, and copying the /home/user_name/timidity to /usr/share/timidity as well, fixed this. This was probably something to do with the file in /etc being connected with the directory in /usr/share from the original rpm install. Anyway it works. The gtk interface is the best. Ncurses isn't much better than running it from the CLI, and I'm a bit clueless about the Emacs one. There are probably easier ways to go about this, but as I'm having problems posting to the timidity list, (my ISP) I've had to sort this out for myself. I think there is something to be said for finding yourself blocked from posting legitimately to lists. It makes you work harder to solve your own problems. Icons. Icons. I havn't checked the bunch of icons you sent me, but attached is the TiMidity one from version 2.13.2 in case you don't have it. All the best. Nigel. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: timidity.xpm Type: image/x-xpm Size: 11976 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060116/e59e6aec/timidity.bin From hanaghan at starband.net Mon Jan 16 15:46:14 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Mon Jan 16 15:45:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Timidity tarball install now working In-Reply-To: <200601162129.38798.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200601162129.38798.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <43CC0616.2090906@starband.net> Nigel Henry wrote: >Hi Tim. Just out of academic interest I thought I'd send you "my" fix for >getting the tarball install of TiMidity 2.13.2 working. > >Just trash this if your not interested. > >On FC2, install with apt-get, timidity++-2.11.3-9. Next, with KDE's superuser >file manager or the CLI, copy /usr/share/timidity >to /home/user_name/timidity. Then copy /etc/timidity.cfg >to /home/user_name/timidity.conf. Next. Uninstall the timidity++-2.11.3-9 >install, which only has run from CLI or ncurses interfaces. Next >run ./configure for the 2.13.2 version which you have unpacked and waiting >for action in your /home/user_name directory. Syntax follows. >./configure --enable-debug --enable-audio=alsa,jack >--enable-interface=ncurses,emacs,gtk --enable-spectogram (enter) >make (enter) >make install (su to root then enter) > >So far so good. > >Now, open Kde's superuser file manager again or use cp from the CLI, and >copy /home/user_name/timidity to /usr/local/share/timidity, >and /home/user_name/timidity.cfg to /etc/timidity.conf. > >Now this didn't work first go, as the /etc/timidity.conf was looking for the >GUS patches is /usr/share timidity, and I got errors showing that. So a bit >more work, and copying the /home/user_name/timidity to /usr/share/timidity as >well, fixed this. This was probably something to do with the file in /etc >being connected with the directory in /usr/share from the original rpm >install. > >Anyway it works. The gtk interface is the best. Ncurses isn't much better than >running it from the CLI, and I'm a bit clueless about the Emacs one. There >are probably easier ways to go about this, but as I'm having problems posting >to the timidity list, (my ISP) I've had to sort this out for myself. I think >there is something to be said for finding yourself blocked from posting >legitimately to lists. It makes you work harder to solve your own problems. > >Icons. Icons. I havn't checked the bunch of icons you sent me, but attached is >the TiMidity one from version 2.13.2 in case you don't have it. > >All the best. Nigel. > > Just curious, as a result of this build and with --enable-jack, alsa, does the timidity soundbank now make itself available as a jack audio and midi plugable device in say, Qjackctl? IE: so that say Muse can patch to timidity midi soundbank for those who dont have a soundfont card or easilly accesible GM 128 midi bank of sounds? thanks R~ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jan 16 15:46:55 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jan 16 15:47:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] questions regarding SBLive multichannel use In-Reply-To: <43CBE4D8.60200@starband.net> References: <43C92D35.5050308@woh.rr.com> <1137351137.25801.44.camel@mindpipe> <43CBF3FC.2090801@vt.edu> <43CBE4D8.60200@starband.net> Message-ID: <1137444415.19444.30.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 12:24 -0600, Russell Hanaghan wrote: > Rick Wright wrote: > > > Lee Revell wrote: > > > >> On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 11:56 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Greetings: > >>> > >>> This question is directed to Lee Revell and anyone who is using or > >>> has tried to use the multichannel capability for the ALSA SBLive > >>> module. > >>> > >>> When I select multichannel duplex operation in QJackCtl I get 16 > >>> channels for input and two channels for output. Is that the default > >>> I/O channel arrangement ? > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> You should get 16 in and 16 out. You have to individually select the > >> multichannel devices for input (hw:x,2) and output (hw:x,3). > >> > >> > > What Lee said. > > > > I am using the EMU10K1 driver on both an Audigy2 EX and ZS models. > > These cards both have 6 analog inputs (3 stereo lines) and the EX is > > 6.1 out (7 analog outputs) and the ZS is 7.1 out (8 analog outputs). > > I have worked out the mapping from the pcm_capture and pcm_playback > > ports to the physical analog inputs and outputs which I will share if > > you are interested. > > > > The only problem I found is that the alsa-mixer volume control sliders > > are left-right switched for all of the stereo output pairs. I mean, > > if you plug a standard 1/8" stereo-to-RCA cable into the stereo output > > on the card, the appropriate left slider controls the signal on the > > red RCA plug - which is typically the right channel - and vice versa. > > This is true for all stereo output pairs. > > > > I reported this bug to the ALSA bugtracker about a year ago > > (https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=904), but the > > behavior persists.... > > > > Rick > > > > > Does this work on older SBlive 5.1 cards as well? Yes, it works on everything supported by the emu10k1 driver, all the way back to the SBLive! PCI 512. Lee From hanaghan at starband.net Mon Jan 16 15:57:28 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Mon Jan 16 15:56:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] questions regarding SBLive multichannel use In-Reply-To: <1137444415.19444.30.camel@mindpipe> References: <43C92D35.5050308@woh.rr.com> <1137351137.25801.44.camel@mindpipe> <43CBF3FC.2090801@vt.edu> <43CBE4D8.60200@starband.net> <1137444415.19444.30.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <43CC08B8.90207@starband.net> Lee Revell wrote: >On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 12:24 -0600, Russell Hanaghan wrote: > > >>Rick Wright wrote: >> >> >> >>>Lee Revell wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 11:56 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Greetings: >>>>> >>>>> This question is directed to Lee Revell and anyone who is using or >>>>>has tried to use the multichannel capability for the ALSA SBLive >>>>>module. >>>>> >>>>> When I select multichannel duplex operation in QJackCtl I get 16 >>>>>channels for input and two channels for output. Is that the default >>>>>I/O channel arrangement ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>You should get 16 in and 16 out. You have to individually select the >>>>multichannel devices for input (hw:x,2) and output (hw:x,3). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>What Lee said. >>> >>>I am using the EMU10K1 driver on both an Audigy2 EX and ZS models. >>>These cards both have 6 analog inputs (3 stereo lines) and the EX is >>>6.1 out (7 analog outputs) and the ZS is 7.1 out (8 analog outputs). >>>I have worked out the mapping from the pcm_capture and pcm_playback >>>ports to the physical analog inputs and outputs which I will share if >>>you are interested. >>> >>>The only problem I found is that the alsa-mixer volume control sliders >>>are left-right switched for all of the stereo output pairs. I mean, >>>if you plug a standard 1/8" stereo-to-RCA cable into the stereo output >>>on the card, the appropriate left slider controls the signal on the >>>red RCA plug - which is typically the right channel - and vice versa. >>>This is true for all stereo output pairs. >>> >>>I reported this bug to the ALSA bugtracker about a year ago >>>(https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=904), but the >>>behavior persists.... >>> >>>Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Does this work on older SBlive 5.1 cards as well? >> >> > >Yes, it works on everything supported by the emu10k1 driver, all the way >back to the SBLive! PCI 512. > >Lee > > > > Cool! Thanks Lee. I know I've seen stuff about this previous and you have long been a supporter of the usefulness of SB cards. I guess it's nice to know that I have about 5 SBlive 5.1 (about $19.00 for the OEM version) laying around that are multi channel cards of sorts! :) R~ From james at dis-dot-dat.net Mon Jan 16 16:33:51 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Mon Jan 16 16:27:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> On Sat, 14 Jan, 2006 at 08:30AM -0600, Jan Depner spake thus: > I wrote this about a week after the storm. Later my daughter worked > on the melody and a bit on the lyrics. It was recorded in Ardour > (qjackctl/JACK), mastered with JAMin, and trimmed with Audacity. It's > in mp3 for my poor benighted Windoze using friends. > > It is dedicated to Sam who didn't die in the lower ninth ward but in > Pass Christian, MS with his two year old son. > > http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 I didn't get chance to listen to this for quite a while, but I'm glad that I managed it. One of the best tracks I've heard on these lists - although I have to echo what a few people have said about the vocals. They just need bringing out a little more. I also like the idea of songs that speak plainly about important events, if done properly. Badly done (which this isn't), they sound quite naive, cheesy and depthless. Done well (which I think this is), they feel like an alternative way to record history. Which, of course, songs have been doing for as long as there were singers. One of the more beautiful incarnations of oral history. Thanks for sharing. Another criticism, and one I think is more important than quibling over small changes to vocals, is the copyright. You obviously want people to hear it, so why restrict copying? I can't mail this to a friend, make a copy for my walkman or do any of the many things that would get this listened to by a wider audience than the list. Why not use creative commons? http://creativecommons.org/ If you want to keep it "pure", use the no-derivatives option. If you're worried about people not knowing it's yours, use the attribution option. If you don't want people to use your song commercially without seeking a separate license with you, use the non-commercial option. Or mixtures of these. But I'll just make sure that the main theme in this mail is the one I intended at the start: Wonderful track! Absolutely wonderful! James > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Jan 16 16:55:55 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon Jan 16 16:56:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <200601161655.55704.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 16 January 2006 16:33, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: >On Sat, 14 Jan, 2006 at 08:30AM -0600, Jan Depner spake thus: >> I wrote this about a week after the storm. Later my daughter >> worked on the melody and a bit on the lyrics. It was recorded in >> Ardour (qjackctl/JACK), mastered with JAMin, and trimmed with >> Audacity. It's in mp3 for my poor benighted Windoze using friends. >> >> It is dedicated to Sam who didn't die in the lower ninth ward >> but in Pass Christian, MS with his two year old son. >> >> http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 > >I didn't get chance to listen to this for quite a while, but I'm glad >that I managed it. > >One of the best tracks I've heard on these lists - although I have to >echo what a few people have said about the vocals. They just need >bringing out a little more. > >I also like the idea of songs that speak plainly about important >events, if done properly. > >Badly done (which this isn't), they sound quite naive, cheesy and >depthless. > >Done well (which I think this is), they feel like an alternative way >to record history. Which, of course, songs have been doing for as >long as there were singers. One of the more beautiful incarnations of >oral history. > >Thanks for sharing. > >Another criticism, and one I think is more important than quibling >over small changes to vocals, is the copyright. > >You obviously want people to hear it, so why restrict copying? I >can't mail this to a friend, make a copy for my walkman or do any of >the many things that would get this listened to by a wider audience >than the list. 'scuse me? I have yet to see a copyright notice of any kind, and yes, I was somewhat concerned. What os and player program are your using that is causeing these 'restrictions'? And to Jan, what are your terms? I saved it for replay here, and even sent it to another local friend who has done some similar work, and he liked it too. But I surely don't want to be looked at as a pirate. So what do I do next? >Why not use creative commons? http://creativecommons.org/ > >If you want to keep it "pure", use the no-derivatives option. If >you're worried about people not knowing it's yours, use the >attribution option. If you don't want people to use your song >commercially without seeking a separate license with you, use the >non-commercial option. Or mixtures of these. > >But I'll just make sure that the main theme in this mail is the one I >intended at the start: Wonderful track! Absolutely wonderful! > >James -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Mon Jan 16 17:24:35 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Mon Jan 16 17:25:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <1137450275.6308.11.camel@eviltwin> On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 21:33 +0000, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jan, 2006 at 08:30AM -0600, Jan Depner spake thus: > > I wrote this about a week after the storm. Later my daughter worked > > on the melody and a bit on the lyrics. It was recorded in Ardour > > (qjackctl/JACK), mastered with JAMin, and trimmed with Audacity. It's > > in mp3 for my poor benighted Windoze using friends. > > > > It is dedicated to Sam who didn't die in the lower ninth ward but in > > Pass Christian, MS with his two year old son. > > BTW, my wife corrected me on this. It was actually in Long Beach, MS, 5 blocks due south of my house. Sam was one of my coworkers. I had used the name Charlie first and that's why that verse was set in the ninth ward. When I found out Sam had died I changed the name but (not being a very good poet) I couldn't come up with a better line. > > http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 > > I didn't get chance to listen to this for quite a while, but I'm glad > that I managed it. > > One of the best tracks I've heard on these lists - although I have to > echo what a few people have said about the vocals. They just need > bringing out a little more. Did you get the copy after I updated it yesterday? I brought them up and dumped some of the effects. > > I also like the idea of songs that speak plainly about important > events, if done properly. > > Badly done (which this isn't), they sound quite naive, cheesy and > depthless. > > Done well (which I think this is), they feel like an alternative way > to record history. Which, of course, songs have been doing for as > long as there were singers. One of the more beautiful incarnations of > oral history. > This was written in the dark, sweating out a 3 week power outage with just a floor fan, in south Mississippi, in the summer (which lasts through November around here ;-) > Thanks for sharing. > > Another criticism, and one I think is more important than quibling > over small changes to vocals, is the copyright. > > You obviously want people to hear it, so why restrict copying? I > can't mail this to a friend, make a copy for my walkman or do any of > the many things that would get this listened to by a wider audience > than the list. > I'm terribly sorry. I meant for you to be able to copy it and/or send it to your friends. All I did was place the copyright notice in it. This doesn't really restrict you at all. It's the license that does the restriction. Just like all GPL software is copyrighted. > Why not use creative commons? http://creativecommons.org/ > > If you want to keep it "pure", use the no-derivatives option. If > you're worried about people not knowing it's yours, use the > attribution option. If you don't want people to use your song > commercially without seeking a separate license with you, use the > non-commercial option. Or mixtures of these. > I guess it is under the non-commercial license although every time I look at the creative commons page I get confused ;-) I'm really easy about commercial too (in most cases). If you (or anyone else) would like to cover it just give me a yell and we'll talk ;-) > But I'll just make sure that the main theme in this mail is the one I > intended at the start: Wonderful track! Absolutely wonderful! > Many thanks to you and all who commented. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Mon Jan 16 17:28:41 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Mon Jan 16 17:30:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <200601161655.55704.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <200601161655.55704.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1137450522.6308.16.camel@eviltwin> On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 16:55 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 16 January 2006 16:33, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > >On Sat, 14 Jan, 2006 at 08:30AM -0600, Jan Depner spake thus: > >> I wrote this about a week after the storm. Later my daughter > >> worked on the melody and a bit on the lyrics. It was recorded in > >> Ardour (qjackctl/JACK), mastered with JAMin, and trimmed with > >> Audacity. It's in mp3 for my poor benighted Windoze using friends. > >> > >> It is dedicated to Sam who didn't die in the lower ninth ward > >> but in Pass Christian, MS with his two year old son. > >> > >> http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 > > > >I didn't get chance to listen to this for quite a while, but I'm glad > >that I managed it. > > > >One of the best tracks I've heard on these lists - although I have to > >echo what a few people have said about the vocals. They just need > >bringing out a little more. > > > >I also like the idea of songs that speak plainly about important > >events, if done properly. > > > >Badly done (which this isn't), they sound quite naive, cheesy and > >depthless. > > > >Done well (which I think this is), they feel like an alternative way > >to record history. Which, of course, songs have been doing for as > >long as there were singers. One of the more beautiful incarnations of > >oral history. > > > >Thanks for sharing. > > > >Another criticism, and one I think is more important than quibling > >over small changes to vocals, is the copyright. > > > >You obviously want people to hear it, so why restrict copying? I > >can't mail this to a friend, make a copy for my walkman or do any of > >the many things that would get this listened to by a wider audience > >than the list. > > 'scuse me? I have yet to see a copyright notice of any kind, and yes, I > was somewhat concerned. What os and player program are your using that > is causeing these 'restrictions'? > > And to Jan, what are your terms? I saved it for replay here, and even > sent it to another local friend who has done some similar work, and he > liked it too. But I surely don't want to be looked at as a pirate. So > what do I do next? > Send it to anyone you like. I'm easy (but I'm not cheap ;-) The copyright notice is in the mp3 id3 tag. The license is Creative Commons non-commercial/attribution (as good as anything I guess ;-) Actually, the only reason I say non-commercial is that I would like for anyone covering it to let me know that they did so I can get a copy ;-) -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Mon Jan 16 17:33:39 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Mon Jan 16 17:35:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <1137450819.6308.21.camel@eviltwin> On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 21:33 +0000, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > Another criticism, and one I think is more important than quibling > over small changes to vocals, is the copyright. > > You obviously want people to hear it, so why restrict copying? I > can't mail this to a friend, make a copy for my walkman or do any of > the many things that would get this listened to by a wider audience > than the list. > > Why not use creative commons? http://creativecommons.org/ > > If you want to keep it "pure", use the no-derivatives option. If > you're worried about people not knowing it's yours, use the > attribution option. If you don't want people to use your song > commercially without seeking a separate license with you, use the > non-commercial option. Or mixtures of these. > James, Speaking of which, how could I mark the song as licensed under Creative Commons non-commercial/attribution license. I have no idea how to place that in the id3 tag or anywhere else. > -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Jan 16 17:49:27 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon Jan 16 17:49:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Timidity tarball install now working In-Reply-To: <43CC0616.2090906@starband.net> References: <200601162129.38798.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <43CC0616.2090906@starband.net> Message-ID: <200601162349.27944.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Monday 16 January 2006 21:46, Russell Hanaghan wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > >Hi Tim. Just out of academic interest I thought I'd send you "my" fix for > >getting the tarball install of TiMidity 2.13.2 working. > > > >Just trash this if your not interested. > > > >On FC2, install with apt-get, timidity++-2.11.3-9. Next, with KDE's > > superuser file manager or the CLI, copy /usr/share/timidity > >to /home/user_name/timidity. Then copy /etc/timidity.cfg > >to /home/user_name/timidity.conf. Next. Uninstall the timidity++-2.11.3-9 > >install, which only has run from CLI or ncurses interfaces. Next > >run ./configure for the 2.13.2 version which you have unpacked and waiting > >for action in your /home/user_name directory. Syntax follows. > >./configure --enable-debug --enable-audio=alsa,jack > >--enable-interface=ncurses,emacs,gtk --enable-spectogram (enter) > >make (enter) > >make install (su to root then enter) > > > >So far so good. > > > >Now, open Kde's superuser file manager again or use cp from the CLI, and > >copy /home/user_name/timidity to /usr/local/share/timidity, > >and /home/user_name/timidity.cfg to /etc/timidity.conf. > > > >Now this didn't work first go, as the /etc/timidity.conf was looking for > > the GUS patches is /usr/share timidity, and I got errors showing that. So > > a bit more work, and copying the /home/user_name/timidity to > > /usr/share/timidity as well, fixed this. This was probably something to > > do with the file in /etc being connected with the directory in /usr/share > > from the original rpm install. > > > >Anyway it works. The gtk interface is the best. Ncurses isn't much better > > than running it from the CLI, and I'm a bit clueless about the Emacs one. > > There are probably easier ways to go about this, but as I'm having > > problems posting to the timidity list, (my ISP) I've had to sort this out > > for myself. I think there is something to be said for finding yourself > > blocked from posting legitimately to lists. It makes you work harder to > > solve your own problems. > > > >Icons. Icons. I havn't checked the bunch of icons you sent me, but > > attached is the TiMidity one from version 2.13.2 in case you don't have > > it. > > > >All the best. Nigel. > > Just curious, as a result of this build and with --enable-jack, alsa, > does the timidity soundbank now make itself available as a jack audio > and midi plugable device in say, Qjackctl? IE: so that say Muse can > patch to timidity midi soundbank for those who dont have a soundfont > card or easilly accesible GM 128 midi bank of sounds? > > thanks > R~ Hi Russell. I'm not sure. I've just looked in Qjackctl with TiMidity's gtk interface open, and there are no connections for TiMidity showing, either in audio or midi. The gtk interface's main menu is a bit basic, and both "File" and "Options" are directly connected with the playing of files. I added the jack option to ./configure hoping it would set it up, and configure gave me a "yes" with it, but it don't seem to be working. I have been trying since I started with computers over 2 years ago, to get a gui up for TiMidity. Admittadly not full time, and have just this evening got it working on FC2. It may just be using Alsa's oss emulation layer, but ./configure did show that both Alsa, and Jack got a yes. I know I have an Audigy2 with a wavetable, so have no problem with midi, but this is a problem if you have no wavetable or a card with a wavetable but no Alsa support for it. I've also got a Debian Sarge install of TiMidity with gtk interface, but having just booted that up, Qjackctl is showing a decided lack of interest in TiMidity. There is a similar problem with Wine, where jack is an option, but doesn't appear to work. I suppose we have to be a bit patient, and in time these things will be fixed. Sorry I can't help more. Nigel. From conrad at metadecks.org Mon Jan 16 17:54:10 2006 From: conrad at metadecks.org (Conrad Parker) Date: Mon Jan 16 17:55:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137450819.6308.21.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <1137450819.6308.21.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <20060116225410.GF10160@vergenet.net> On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 04:33:39PM -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > > Speaking of which, how could I mark the song as licensed under > Creative Commons non-commercial/attribution license. I have no idea how > to place that in the id3 tag or anywhere else. Creative Commons have the basic info about this here: http://creativecommons.org/technology/mp3 Some tools for manipulating ID3 tags are listed on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=id3 For oggs: http://creativecommons.org/technology/ogg A bit more detail: http://blog.kfish.org/creativecommons/ogg-tagging.html cheers, Conrad. From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Jan 16 18:24:04 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon Jan 16 18:24:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <200601170024.04106.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Saturday 14 January 2006 15:30, Jan Depner wrote: > I wrote this about a week after the storm. Later my daughter worked > on the melody and a bit on the lyrics. It was recorded in Ardour > (qjackctl/JACK), mastered with JAMin, and trimmed with Audacity. It's > in mp3 for my poor benighted Windoze using friends. > > It is dedicated to Sam who didn't die in the lower ninth ward but in > Pass Christian, MS with his two year old son. > > http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 Hi Jan. I've only just listened to this, twice. It's the vocals enhanced version. Such terrible things seem to be happening all over this planet in recent times. It's nice to think that a piece of music can help to remember those who have died, or are still alive, but have lost everything. A really nice song man, and a fitting dedication to your friend Sam, and his son. Nigel. From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Mon Jan 16 19:00:54 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Mon Jan 16 19:02:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <20060116225410.GF10160@vergenet.net> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <1137450819.6308.21.camel@eviltwin> <20060116225410.GF10160@vergenet.net> Message-ID: <1137456055.6308.30.camel@eviltwin> On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 09:54 +1100, Conrad Parker wrote: > On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 04:33:39PM -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > > > > Speaking of which, how could I mark the song as licensed under > > Creative Commons non-commercial/attribution license. I have no idea how > > to place that in the id3 tag or anywhere else. > > Creative Commons have the basic info about this here: > > http://creativecommons.org/technology/mp3 > > Some tools for manipulating ID3 tags are listed on freshmeat: > > http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=id3 > > For oggs: > > http://creativecommons.org/technology/ogg > > A bit more detail: > > http://blog.kfish.org/creativecommons/ogg-tagging.html > > cheers, > > Conrad. Conrad, All good stuff. Unfortunately, 1) the Creative Commons page wants me to set up a license verification page on my web site (a transient place at best), 2) ccLookup and Publisher listed on the Creative Commons page are not available for Linux, 3) I can get none of the mp3 tools on freshmeat to build (all have compiler errors, most don't have configure, make, make install builds), 4) using the available command line id3v2 I still have only 30 characters for a comment (which is why it has (c) 2005 Jan and Jenn Depner instead of Copyright (c) 2005 Jan and Jennifer Depner). So, my questions come down to a couple of simple ones. Is there some way to get xmms or id3v2 to place a huge comment in the id3 tag? Can I just put a link in that comment to the Creative Commons page for the proper license (and, if so, what guarantee is there that that page will remain in place)? -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Mon Jan 16 20:17:29 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Mon Jan 16 20:18:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <20060116225410.GF10160@vergenet.net> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <1137450819.6308.21.camel@eviltwin> <20060116225410.GF10160@vergenet.net> Message-ID: <1137460649.6308.36.camel@eviltwin> On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 09:54 +1100, Conrad Parker wrote: > On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 04:33:39PM -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > > > > Speaking of which, how could I mark the song as licensed under > > Creative Commons non-commercial/attribution license. I have no idea how > > to place that in the id3 tag or anywhere else. > > Creative Commons have the basic info about this here: > > http://creativecommons.org/technology/mp3 > > Some tools for manipulating ID3 tags are listed on freshmeat: > > http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=id3 > > For oggs: > > http://creativecommons.org/technology/ogg > > A bit more detail: > > http://blog.kfish.org/creativecommons/ogg-tagging.html > > cheers, > > Conrad. Ah ha! I finally got it. In order to label it this way I had to force the use of id3v2 for mp3 (it's much easier in ogg). Since I'm using lame to encode I had to use the id3v2 options. I have replaced the file with one that is labeled (hopefully) correctly. All this legal stuff is really strange - all I wanted to do was post a song ;-) Oh well, you live and learn. BTW, even though I couldn't use the stuff on the above pages, the links were invaluable. Thanks Conrad. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From hanaghan at starband.net Mon Jan 16 20:43:52 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Mon Jan 16 20:42:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137460649.6308.36.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <1137450819.6308.21.camel@eviltwin> <20060116225410.GF10160@vergenet.net> <1137460649.6308.36.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <43CC4BD8.5050409@starband.net> Jan Depner wrote: >On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 09:54 +1100, Conrad Parker wrote: > > >>On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 04:33:39PM -0600, Jan Depner wrote: >> >> >>> Speaking of which, how could I mark the song as licensed under >>>Creative Commons non-commercial/attribution license. I have no idea how >>>to place that in the id3 tag or anywhere else. >>> >>> >>Creative Commons have the basic info about this here: >> >> http://creativecommons.org/technology/mp3 >> >>Some tools for manipulating ID3 tags are listed on freshmeat: >> >> http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=id3 >> >>For oggs: >> >> http://creativecommons.org/technology/ogg >> >>A bit more detail: >> >> http://blog.kfish.org/creativecommons/ogg-tagging.html >> >>cheers, >> >>Conrad. >> >> > > Ah ha! I finally got it. In order to label it this way I had to >force the use of id3v2 for mp3 (it's much easier in ogg). Since I'm >using lame to encode I had to use the id3v2 options. I have replaced >the file with one that is labeled (hopefully) correctly. All this legal >stuff is really strange - all I wanted to do was post a song ;-) Oh >well, you live and learn. BTW, even though I couldn't use the stuff on >the above pages, the links were invaluable. Thanks Conrad. > > > > I like the line "All I wanted to do was post a song!" :) Sad in this world of less than original people that one has to protect themsleves at the cost of sharing something good and fun in the simplest way available today! BTW, just checked your Website.....As a young inspired guitfiddler in Australia, playing in a country rock band (my first band) and beleive me, there was no such thing as "Country rock" (Amazing Rythym Aces and Pure Prarie Legue somewhat lost on our audiences) as such then in Aus, we covered a tune by Rodney Crowell called "Stars on the Water"...a simple but catchy little tune (I still play it today)...and I remembered thinking...who the heck plays that solo...it seemed relatively easy to play. That is untill I tried to pick up all those little inflections and the super clear voicing of bending notes. I looked at the back of the album to see and behold, Mr. Albert Lee! An English Country picker no less!!! :) I then watched one of those Videos he had showing how to play on that beat up ol' tele he has with a million signatures on it. That RH finger style coupled with a pick had me just baffled back then. I use it in a round about way today. He is truly one of my guitfiddler gods! :) R~ From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Mon Jan 16 20:55:35 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Mon Jan 16 20:57:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <43CC4BD8.5050409@starband.net> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <1137450819.6308.21.camel@eviltwin> <20060116225410.GF10160@vergenet.net> <1137460649.6308.36.camel@eviltwin> <43CC4BD8.5050409@starband.net> Message-ID: <1137462935.6308.41.camel@eviltwin> On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 19:43 -0600, Russell Hanaghan wrote: > Jan Depner wrote: > > >On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 09:54 +1100, Conrad Parker wrote: > > > > > >>On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 04:33:39PM -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Speaking of which, how could I mark the song as licensed under > >>>Creative Commons non-commercial/attribution license. I have no idea how > >>>to place that in the id3 tag or anywhere else. > >>> > >>> > >>Creative Commons have the basic info about this here: > >> > >> http://creativecommons.org/technology/mp3 > >> > >>Some tools for manipulating ID3 tags are listed on freshmeat: > >> > >> http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=id3 > >> > >>For oggs: > >> > >> http://creativecommons.org/technology/ogg > >> > >>A bit more detail: > >> > >> http://blog.kfish.org/creativecommons/ogg-tagging.html > >> > >>cheers, > >> > >>Conrad. > >> > >> > > > > Ah ha! I finally got it. In order to label it this way I had to > >force the use of id3v2 for mp3 (it's much easier in ogg). Since I'm > >using lame to encode I had to use the id3v2 options. I have replaced > >the file with one that is labeled (hopefully) correctly. All this legal > >stuff is really strange - all I wanted to do was post a song ;-) Oh > >well, you live and learn. BTW, even though I couldn't use the stuff on > >the above pages, the links were invaluable. Thanks Conrad. > > > > > > > > > I like the line "All I wanted to do was post a song!" :) Sad in this > world of less than original people that one has to protect themsleves at > the cost of sharing something good and fun in the simplest way available > today! > > BTW, just checked your Website.....As a young inspired guitfiddler in > Australia, playing in a country rock band (my first band) and beleive > me, there was no such thing as "Country rock" (Amazing Rythym Aces and > Pure Prarie Legue somewhat lost on our audiences) as such then in Aus, > we covered a tune by Rodney Crowell called "Stars on the Water"...a > simple but catchy little tune (I still play it today)...and I remembered > thinking...who the heck plays that solo...it seemed relatively easy to > play. That is untill I tried to pick up all those little inflections and > the super clear voicing of bending notes. I looked at the back of the > album to see and behold, Mr. Albert Lee! An English Country picker no > less!!! :) I then watched one of those Videos he had showing how to > play on that beat up ol' tele he has with a million signatures on it. > That RH finger style coupled with a pick had me just baffled back then. > I use it in a round about way today. He is truly one of my guitfiddler > gods! :) > Damn! I used to play that one too. I had no idea that was him on that song. We used to play that song because it's about here (the Gulf Coast, I'm only about 15 miles west of Biloxi). I actually only have one instructional video - Albert Lee's. I just had to buy it. Not because I ever thought I could play like that but just to watch. The guy is amazing. The funny thing is, I bought the video about ten years before I met him. He's one hell of a nice guy. The first guitar I built now has Albert's signature on it ;-) -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From hanaghan at starband.net Mon Jan 16 21:10:55 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Mon Jan 16 21:09:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137462935.6308.41.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <1137450819.6308.21.camel@eviltwin> <20060116225410.GF10160@vergenet.net> <1137460649.6308.36.camel@eviltwin> <43CC4BD8.5050409@starband.net> <1137462935.6308.41.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <43CC522F.4010605@starband.net> > > >>I like the line "All I wanted to do was post a song!" :) Sad in this >>world of less than original people that one has to protect themsleves at >>the cost of sharing something good and fun in the simplest way available >>today! >> >>BTW, just checked your Website.....As a young inspired guitfiddler in >>Australia, playing in a country rock band (my first band) and beleive >>me, there was no such thing as "Country rock" (Amazing Rythym Aces and >>Pure Prarie Legue somewhat lost on our audiences) as such then in Aus, >>we covered a tune by Rodney Crowell called "Stars on the Water"...a >>simple but catchy little tune (I still play it today)...and I remembered >>thinking...who the heck plays that solo...it seemed relatively easy to >>play. That is untill I tried to pick up all those little inflections and >>the super clear voicing of bending notes. I looked at the back of the >>album to see and behold, Mr. Albert Lee! An English Country picker no >>less!!! :) I then watched one of those Videos he had showing how to >>play on that beat up ol' tele he has with a million signatures on it. >>That RH finger style coupled with a pick had me just baffled back then. >>I use it in a round about way today. He is truly one of my guitfiddler >>gods! :) >> >> >> > > Damn! I used to play that one too. I had no idea that was him on >that song. We used to play that song because it's about here (the Gulf >Coast, I'm only about 15 miles west of Biloxi). I actually only have >one instructional video - Albert Lee's. I just had to buy it. Not >because I ever thought I could play like that but just to watch. The >guy is amazing. The funny thing is, I bought the video about ten years >before I met him. He's one hell of a nice guy. The first guitar I >built now has Albert's signature on it ;-) > > > Wish I could say "I have met him" :) Wish I could play "Country boy" too! It's like the guy had an extra finger! I think he is one of the unsung heros...he has backed nearlly everyone including Clapton for that matter. It is probably fair to say he was doing a lot of that stuff in an electric axe before the Nashville super invasion kicked in also. Most that played like that were flat pickers on steel string acoustics. And don't think I'm attempting to imply I can play like him either! :) He has more ability in his little fingers than I hope to have in my life! But I can say this...the feel I attempt to place in anything I play comes from his type of style and many other well rounded greats like him. Folks that could coax a piece of wood and steel to sing like a bird! :) OH...and Nashville tuning (octave set E,A,D & G) on a regular 6 string acoustic...another little cool trick as a sort of cross over mandolin feel....I picked that up from his video....gawd...must be 25 yrs ago now. Ugh...I feel old! :) R~ From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Jan 17 03:48:12 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Jan 17 03:42:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137450275.6308.11.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <1137450275.6308.11.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <20060117084812.GA25950@phlunky.Belkin> On Mon, 16 Jan, 2006 at 04:24PM -0600, Jan Depner spake thus: > On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 21:33 +0000, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Jan, 2006 at 08:30AM -0600, Jan Depner spake thus: > > > I wrote this about a week after the storm. Later my daughter worked > > > on the melody and a bit on the lyrics. It was recorded in Ardour > > > (qjackctl/JACK), mastered with JAMin, and trimmed with Audacity. It's > > > in mp3 for my poor benighted Windoze using friends. > > > > > > It is dedicated to Sam who didn't die in the lower ninth ward but in > > > Pass Christian, MS with his two year old son. > > > > > BTW, my wife corrected me on this. It was actually in Long Beach, > MS, 5 blocks due south of my house. Sam was one of my coworkers. I had > used the name Charlie first and that's why that verse was set in the > ninth ward. When I found out Sam had died I changed the name but (not > being a very good poet) I couldn't come up with a better line. > > > > > http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/katrina.mp3 > > > > I didn't get chance to listen to this for quite a while, but I'm glad > > that I managed it. > > > > One of the best tracks I've heard on these lists - although I have to > > echo what a few people have said about the vocals. They just need > > bringing out a little more. > > Did you get the copy after I updated it yesterday? I brought them > up and dumped some of the effects. No, I had a version I saved when you first posted. I'll take a listen when I'm at a real computer. > > > > I also like the idea of songs that speak plainly about important > > events, if done properly. > > > > Badly done (which this isn't), they sound quite naive, cheesy and > > depthless. > > > > Done well (which I think this is), they feel like an alternative way > > to record history. Which, of course, songs have been doing for as > > long as there were singers. One of the more beautiful incarnations of > > oral history. > > > > This was written in the dark, sweating out a 3 week power outage > with just a floor fan, in south Mississippi, in the summer (which lasts > through November around here ;-) Well, the output was beautiful, even if the circumstances it was written in and about weren't. I see people have been doing all the CC evangelism and link-posting for me, so I can duck out of that now. Thanks again for the music. James > > > Thanks for sharing. > > > > Another criticism, and one I think is more important than quibling > > over small changes to vocals, is the copyright. > > > > You obviously want people to hear it, so why restrict copying? I > > can't mail this to a friend, make a copy for my walkman or do any of > > the many things that would get this listened to by a wider audience > > than the list. > > > > I'm terribly sorry. I meant for you to be able to copy it and/or > send it to your friends. All I did was place the copyright notice in > it. This doesn't really restrict you at all. It's the license that > does the restriction. Just like all GPL software is copyrighted. > > > > Why not use creative commons? http://creativecommons.org/ > > > > If you want to keep it "pure", use the no-derivatives option. If > > you're worried about people not knowing it's yours, use the > > attribution option. If you don't want people to use your song > > commercially without seeking a separate license with you, use the > > non-commercial option. Or mixtures of these. > > > > I guess it is under the non-commercial license although every time I > look at the creative commons page I get confused ;-) I'm really easy > about commercial too (in most cases). If you (or anyone else) would > like to cover it just give me a yell and we'll talk ;-) > > > > But I'll just make sure that the main theme in this mail is the one I > > intended at the start: Wonderful track! Absolutely wonderful! > > > > Many thanks to you and all who commented. > > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From timg at expressmart.com Tue Jan 17 15:18:28 2006 From: timg at expressmart.com (Timothy Alan Gorman) Date: Tue Jan 17 08:15:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? In-Reply-To: <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <43CD5114.4090305@expressmart.com> Like the Subject says.... Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? I think a nice guy named "luke" was doing it..... thanks tag From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Jan 17 09:08:23 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Jan 17 09:02:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? In-Reply-To: <43CD5114.4090305@expressmart.com> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5114.4090305@expressmart.com> Message-ID: <20060117140823.GC8772@phlunky.Belkin> On Tue, 17 Jan, 2006 at 08:18PM +0000, Timothy Alan Gorman spake thus: > Like the Subject says.... > Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? What was it? > > I think a nice guy named "luke" was doing it..... Skywalker? Yeah, he's a nice guy. His Dad's a git, though. > thanks > tag > > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From timg at expressmart.com Tue Jan 17 16:10:07 2006 From: timg at expressmart.com (Timothy Alan Gorman) Date: Tue Jan 17 09:06:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? In-Reply-To: <20060117140823.GC8772@phlunky.Belkin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5114.4090305@expressmart.com> <20060117140823.GC8772@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <43CD5D2F.5010708@expressmart.com> james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: >On Tue, 17 Jan, 2006 at 08:18PM +0000, Timothy Alan Gorman spake thus: > > >>Like the Subject says.... >>Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? >> >> > >What was it? > It was a packaged audio install system.. like ccrma but for slackware > > >>I think a nice guy named "luke" was doing it..... >> >> > >Skywalker? Yeah, he's a nice guy. His Dad's a git, though. > > > Let's leave "the force" out of this one............ (changes to his best yoda voice) ....As I feel strong it is in the air today. >>thanks >>tag >> >> >> >> > > > -- 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack, now there's 63,005 bugs in the code!! From khj at be.cs.appstate.edu Tue Jan 17 08:45:15 2006 From: khj at be.cs.appstate.edu (Kenneth Jacker) Date: Tue Jan 17 09:11:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Recording FM Radio Card In-Reply-To: (Kai Vehmanen's message of "Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:31:21 +0200 (EET)") References: <87irtbvqq0.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu> <20051227000714.GD1382@fliwatut.scifi> <878xu5rzop.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu> Message-ID: <874q43q87o.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu> kv> Check output of "arecord -l" to get a list of all cards currently kv> available via ALSA. ... Thanks for your suggestions. As it turned out, I went to my office Debian system and "things just worked"! Since I was able to record off of FM radio there for about 5-6 hours (>600MB of mp3!) straight without "issues", I pretty much gave up trying to get it to work on my home machine. Even wrote a little script that runs in 'cron' to capture NPR headlines at the top-of-the-hour ... Then the new semester started. :-( Anyway, I appreciate everyone's help. When I get a bit caught up, I'll return to getting 'ecasound' and ALSA to cooperate at home. Thanks again, -Kenneth From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Jan 17 09:48:22 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Jan 17 09:26:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] virmidi and 2.6.14 (Demudi) Message-ID: <43CD03B6.7070405@woh.rr.com> Greetings: I've had nothing but bad luck with the snd-virmidi module and the Demudi 2.6 kernels. Alas, no-one seems to be able to say what the problem might be, so I thought I'd ask here: Does anyone have snd-virmidi actually working on any Demudi 2.6 kernel ? On my system (1.3.0rc1) it will load correctly, it shows up in QJackCtl's MIDI connections panel, but it simply doesn't work. No MIDI is passing through any virmidi port. MIDI does work perfectly via the MIDI Through and via the hardware port, so I know it's not a general system error. Btw, if you have loaded it please be sure to actually test it. And just to clarify: MIDI Through will *not* do the job I need done. I need the virmidi ports. This is the second Demudi kernel that has had serious problems with this module. I would like to hear from anyone who has it working under Demudi. I'd really like to hear from anyone who has a clue as to why it's so fubar'd here. Best, dp From cesare at poeticstudios.com Tue Jan 17 09:33:50 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Tue Jan 17 09:33:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? In-Reply-To: <43CD5D2F.5010708@expressmart.com> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5114.4090305@expressmart.com> <20060117140823.GC8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5D2F.5010708@expressmart.com> Message-ID: <43CD004E.1070906@poeticstudios.com> Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: > > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > >> On Tue, 17 Jan, 2006 at 08:18PM +0000, Timothy Alan Gorman spake thus: >> >> >>> Like the Subject says.... >>> Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? >>> >> >> If this helps, I use the plain Slackware 10.2 and I'm really happy with it. I'm using the 2.6.13 kernel that came with it, recompiled with realtime-lsm patch. Every application I use is compiled from source and works as it should (ardour, muse, zynaddsubfx, cinelerra). I can give you my kernel config and the rt-lsm patch version I used, if you want. c. www.cesaremarilungo.com >> What was it? >> > > It was a packaged audio install system.. like ccrma but for slackware > >> >> >>> I think a nice guy named "luke" was doing it..... >>> >> >> >> Skywalker? Yeah, he's a nice guy. His Dad's a git, though. >> >> >> > Let's leave "the force" out of this one............ > (changes to his best yoda voice) > ....As I feel strong it is in the air today. > >>> thanks >>> tag >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > From timg at expressmart.com Tue Jan 17 16:45:27 2006 From: timg at expressmart.com (Timothy Alan Gorman) Date: Tue Jan 17 09:42:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? In-Reply-To: <43CD004E.1070906@poeticstudios.com> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5114.4090305@expressmart.com> <20060117140823.GC8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5D2F.5010708@expressmart.com> <43CD004E.1070906@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <43CD6577.6000209@expressmart.com> I'd love to have your mod's as I'm using 10.2 with the standard kernel.... Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: > >> >> james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 17 Jan, 2006 at 08:18PM +0000, Timothy Alan Gorman spake thus: >>> >>> >>>> Like the Subject says.... >>>> Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? >>>> >>> >>> >>> > If this helps, I use the plain Slackware 10.2 and I'm really happy > with it. > > I'm using the 2.6.13 kernel that came with it, recompiled with > realtime-lsm patch. Every application I use is compiled from source > and works as it should (ardour, muse, zynaddsubfx, cinelerra). > > I can give you my kernel config and the rt-lsm patch version I used, > if you want. > > c. > www.cesaremarilungo.com > >>> What was it? >>> >> >> It was a packaged audio install system.. like ccrma but for slackware >> >>> >>> >>>> I think a nice guy named "luke" was doing it..... >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Skywalker? Yeah, he's a nice guy. His Dad's a git, though. >>> >>> >>> >> Let's leave "the force" out of this one............ >> (changes to his best yoda voice) >> ....As I feel strong it is in the air today. >> >>>> thanks >>>> tag >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack, now there's 63,005 bugs in the code!! From cesare at poeticstudios.com Tue Jan 17 10:33:23 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Tue Jan 17 10:33:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? In-Reply-To: <43CD6577.6000209@expressmart.com> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5114.4090305@expressmart.com> <20060117140823.GC8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5D2F.5010708@expressmart.com> <43CD004E.1070906@poeticstudios.com> <43CD6577.6000209@expressmart.com> Message-ID: <43CD0E43.3020006@poeticstudios.com> Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: > I'd love to have your mod's as I'm using 10.2 with the standard > kernel.... > Apply this patch to your 2.6.13 kernel source: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=106645 I've attached my kernel config, but it's a bit customized. You may want to change the processor and add the rest of the hardware you have (I've removed everything and added just my hardware). But I think you just need to apply the patch, maybe set the interrupt timer resolution to 1000 and add the alsa support for your soundcard. Also check the reading and writing permissions on the various devs. Then my suggestion is to get every application you need as source. That's all. c. > > Cesare Marilungo wrote: > >> Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: >> >>> >>> james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 17 Jan, 2006 at 08:18PM +0000, Timothy Alan Gorman spake thus: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Like the Subject says.... >>>>> Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> If this helps, I use the plain Slackware 10.2 and I'm really happy >> with it. >> >> I'm using the 2.6.13 kernel that came with it, recompiled with >> realtime-lsm patch. Every application I use is compiled from source >> and works as it should (ardour, muse, zynaddsubfx, cinelerra). >> >> I can give you my kernel config and the rt-lsm patch version I used, >> if you want. >> >> c. >> www.cesaremarilungo.com >> >>>> What was it? >>>> >>> >>> It was a packaged audio install system.. like ccrma but for slackware >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I think a nice guy named "luke" was doing it..... >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Skywalker? Yeah, he's a nice guy. His Dad's a git, though. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Let's leave "the force" out of this one............ >>> (changes to his best yoda voice) >>> ....As I feel strong it is in the air today. >>> >>>>> thanks >>>>> tag >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: my.config.tar.gz Type: application/gzip Size: 13856 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060117/299a94bc/my.config.tar.bin From listreader at lupulin.net Tue Jan 17 11:56:36 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Tue Jan 17 11:59:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? In-Reply-To: <43CD5D2F.5010708@expressmart.com> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5114.4090305@expressmart.com> <20060117140823.GC8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5D2F.5010708@expressmart.com> Message-ID: <20060117165636.GA1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 09:10:07PM +0000, Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: > > It was a packaged audio install system.. like ccrma but for slackware > I'm more curious as to how many people use slackware (here). I do, and make my own pacakges, but it would be nice to borrow other poeple's packages or SlackBuild scripts. Audioslack didn't make it to the current version, and they made you use slapt-get to download the packages, which IMO is not in the spirit of slackware. -- paul \ / wisehart >/ |\|\|\ From clemens at ladisch.de Tue Jan 17 12:28:08 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue Jan 17 12:29:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] virmidi and 2.6.14 (Demudi) In-Reply-To: <43CD03B6.7070405@woh.rr.com> References: <43CD03B6.7070405@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1137518888.43cd2928da794@webmail.uni-halle.de> Dave Phillips wrote: > I've had nothing but bad luck with the snd-virmidi module and the > Demudi 2.6 kernels. Did you have any kernel version that worked? > On my system it will load correctly, it shows up in QJackCtl's MIDI > connections panel, but it simply doesn't work. No MIDI is passing > through any virmidi port. Does it work with aseqdump+amidi? If not, please show the exact commands you used to test it. Regards, Clemens From timg at expressmart.com Tue Jan 17 19:36:17 2006 From: timg at expressmart.com (Timothy Alan Gorman) Date: Tue Jan 17 12:32:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? In-Reply-To: <20060117165636.GA1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5114.4090305@expressmart.com> <20060117140823.GC8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5D2F.5010708@expressmart.com> <20060117165636.GA1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> Message-ID: <43CD8D81.2070404@expressmart.com> paul wisehart wrote: >On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 09:10:07PM +0000, Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: > > >>It was a packaged audio install system.. like ccrma but for slackware >> >> >> > >I'm more curious as to how many people use slackware (here). >I do, and make my own pacakges, but it would be nice >to borrow other poeple's packages or SlackBuild scripts. > >Audioslack didn't make it to the current version, and >they made you use slapt-get to download the packages, >which IMO is not in the spirit of slackware. > > > Put me down as a 10.2 user..... -- 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack, now there's 63,005 bugs in the code!! From salvuz_78 at virgilio.it Tue Jan 17 12:42:10 2006 From: salvuz_78 at virgilio.it (Salvatore Di Pietro) Date: Tue Jan 17 12:42:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? In-Reply-To: <43CD8D81.2070404@expressmart.com> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5114.4090305@expressmart.com> <20060117140823.GC8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5D2F.5010708@expressmart.com> <20060117165636.GA1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <43CD8D81.2070404@expressmart.com> Message-ID: <43CD2C72.9040800@virgilio.it> Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: > paul wisehart wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 09:10:07PM +0000, Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: >> I'm more curious as to how many people use slackware (here). > Put me down as a 10.2 user..... Same for me, Slack 10.2. -- salvuz POST FATA RESVRGO Linux registered user #291700 | machine #174619 get counted on ---> http://counter.li.org/ <--- From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Jan 17 13:09:21 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Jan 17 12:47:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] virmidi and 2.6.14 (Demudi) In-Reply-To: <1137518888.43cd2928da794@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <43CD03B6.7070405@woh.rr.com> <1137518888.43cd2928da794@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <43CD32D1.9000306@woh.rr.com> Clemens Ladisch wrote: >Dave Phillips wrote: > > >> I've had nothing but bad luck with the snd-virmidi module and the >>Demudi 2.6 kernels. >> >> > >Did you have any kernel version that worked? > > Sure, it's flawless on the 2.4 kernels. >>On my system it will load correctly, it shows up in QJackCtl's MIDI >>connections panel, but it simply doesn't work. No MIDI is passing >>through any virmidi port. >> >> > >Does it work with aseqdump+amidi? If not, please show the exact commands >you used to test it. > > I tested it with seq24, hooking its output to the virmidi ports from within seq24 itself (that's how it works). The virmidi port(s) were connected to qsynth and to the hardware synth on the SBLive. I started seq24, got no sound. I hooked the output to the MIDI Through port, got sound. I also performed the same tests with the same hookups, but using a MIDI keyboard to send events to the virmidi ports. Got the same results. I tested it just now with aseqdump, again with the same results. MIDI Through works fine, the virmidi ports report connection but no i/o. Best, dp From clemens at ladisch.de Tue Jan 17 13:14:36 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue Jan 17 13:14:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] virmidi and 2.6.14 (Demudi) In-Reply-To: <43CD32D1.9000306@woh.rr.com> References: <43CD03B6.7070405@woh.rr.com> <1137518888.43cd2928da794@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD32D1.9000306@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1137521676.43cd340cd2923@webmail.uni-halle.de> Dave Phillips wrote: > Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > >Does it work with aseqdump+amidi? If not, please show the exact commands > >you used to test it. > > > I tested it with seq24, hooking its output to the virmidi ports from > within seq24 itself (that's how it works). The virmidi port(s) were > connected to qsynth and to the hardware synth on the SBLive. I started > seq24, got no sound. I hooked the output to the MIDI Through port, got > sound. I also performed the same tests with the same hookups, but using > a MIDI keyboard to send events to the virmidi ports. Got the same results. You never mentioned the raw MIDI port (which es where the MIDI data shows up). What do you want to do that the through ports cannot do? Regards, Clemens From cesare at poeticstudios.com Tue Jan 17 13:23:13 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Tue Jan 17 13:23:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? In-Reply-To: <43CD8D81.2070404@expressmart.com> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5114.4090305@expressmart.com> <20060117140823.GC8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5D2F.5010708@expressmart.com> <20060117165636.GA1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <43CD8D81.2070404@expressmart.com> Message-ID: <43CD3611.5030005@poeticstudios.com> Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: > paul wisehart wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 09:10:07PM +0000, Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: >> >> >>> It was a packaged audio install system.. like ccrma but for slackware >>> >> >> >> I'm more curious as to how many people use slackware (here). >> I do, and make my own pacakges, but it would be nice >> to borrow other poeple's packages or SlackBuild scripts. >> >> Audioslack didn't make it to the current version, and >> they made you use slapt-get to download the packages, >> which IMO is not in the spirit of slackware. >> >> >> > Put me down as a 10.2 user..... > > Have you counted me, already? :-) c. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Jan 17 14:16:54 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Jan 17 13:54:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] virmidi and 2.6.14 (Demudi) In-Reply-To: <1137521676.43cd340cd2923@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <43CD03B6.7070405@woh.rr.com> <1137518888.43cd2928da794@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD32D1.9000306@woh.rr.com> <1137521676.43cd340cd2923@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <43CD42A6.4060506@woh.rr.com> Clemens Ladisch wrote: >>>Does it work with aseqdump+amidi? If not, please show the exact commands >>>you used to test it. >>> >>> >>> >>I tested it with seq24, hooking its output to the virmidi ports from >>within seq24 itself (that's how it works). The virmidi port(s) were >>connected to qsynth and to the hardware synth on the SBLive. I started >>seq24, got no sound. I hooked the output to the MIDI Through port, got >>sound. I also performed the same tests with the same hookups, but using >>a MIDI keyboard to send events to the virmidi ports. Got the same results. >> >> > >You never mentioned the raw MIDI port (which es where the MIDI data shows up). > > I'm not sure what you mean here. I've attached a variety of reports to the end of this message, perhaps you'll see something significant there. >What do you want to do that the through ports cannot do? > > I use Xsteem and Dosemu to run various MIDI applications. They want a direct link to the device, and linking to /dev/snd/midiCxDx gives me the greatest flexibility. It would be much better if they abided by the ALSA convention of indicating devices (hw:x,x), but they don't. Best, dp ******************** Reports from Demudi 1.3.0rc1 ************** dlphilp@localdomain:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [M66 ]: ICE1712 - M Audio Delta 66 M Audio Delta 66 at 0xd800, irq 5 1 [Live ]: EMU10K1 - SBLive! Value [CT4832] SBLive! Value [CT4832] (rev.8, serial:0x80271102) at 0xd000, irq 3 2 [VirMIDI ]: VirMIDI - VirMIDI Virtual MIDI Card 1 dlphilp@localdomain:~$ lsmod |grep midi snd_virmidi 4288 1 snd_seq_virmidi 8448 3 snd_virmidi,snd_emux_synth snd_seq_midi_emul 7680 1 snd_emux_synth snd_seq_midi 9504 2 snd_rawmidi 26528 4 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_midi snd_seq_midi_event 7680 3 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi snd_seq 56336 13 snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi_emul,snd_seq_instr,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq_device 8844 8 snd_emu10k1_synth,snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq snd 58596 24 snd_virmidi,snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_hwdep,snd_ice1712,snd_ak4xxx_adda,snd_cs8427,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_i2c,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device dlphilp@localdomain:~$ amidi -l Device Name hw:1,0 EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) hw:1,1 Emu10k1 Synth MIDI (16 subdevices) hw:1,2 Emu10k1 Synth MIDI (16 subdevices) hw:2,0 Virtual Raw MIDI (16 subdevices) hw:2,1 Virtual Raw MIDI (16 subdevices) hw:2,2 Virtual Raw MIDI (16 subdevices) hw:2,3 Virtual Raw MIDI (16 subdevices) dlphilp@localdomain:~$ aseqdump -l Port Client name Port name 0:0 System Timer 0:1 System Announce 62:0 Midi Through Midi Through Port-0 72:0 EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) 80:0 Virtual Raw MIDI 2-0 VirMIDI 2-0 81:0 Virtual Raw MIDI 2-1 VirMIDI 2-1 82:0 Virtual Raw MIDI 2-2 VirMIDI 2-2 83:0 Virtual Raw MIDI 2-3 VirMIDI 2-3 hw { @args.0 CARD @args.1 DEV @args.2 SUBDEV @args.CARD { type string default { @func getenv vars { 0 ALSA_RAWMIDI_CARD 1 ALSA_CARD } default { @func refer name 'defaults.rawmidi.card' } } } @args.DEV { type integer default { @func igetenv vars { 0 ALSA_RAWMIDI_DEVICE } default { @func refer name 'defaults.rawmidi.device' } } } @args.SUBDEV { type integer default -1 } type hw card $CARD device $DEV subdevice $SUBDEV } default { type hw card { @func getenv vars { 0 ALSA_RAWMIDI_CARD 1 ALSA_CARD } default { @func refer name 'defaults.rawmidi.card' } } device { @func igetenv vars { 0 ALSA_RAWMIDI_DEVICE } default { @func refer name 'defaults.rawmidi.device' } } } virtual { @args.0 MERGE @args.MERGE { type string default 1 } type virtual merge $MERGE } dlphilp@localdomain:~$ modinfo snd-virmidi filename: /lib/modules/2.6.14-1-multimedia-386/kernel/sound/drivers/snd-virmidi.ko author: Takashi Iwai description: Dummy soundcard for virtual rawmidi devices license: GPL vermagic: 2.6.14-1-multimedia-386 preempt 686 gcc-4.0 depends: snd,snd-seq-virmidi parm: midi_devs:MIDI devices # (1-8) (array of int) parm: enable:Enable this soundcard. (array of bool) parm: id:ID string for virmidi soundcard. (array of charp) parm: index:Index value for virmidi soundcard. (array of int) From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Tue Jan 17 14:20:01 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Tue Jan 17 14:20:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? In-Reply-To: <43CD5114.4090305@expressmart.com> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5114.4090305@expressmart.com> Message-ID: <20060118062001.04385c7c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: > Like the Subject says.... > Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? > > > I think a nice guy named "luke" was doing it..... I know Luke and I believe that at least some of his machines are now running Debian or Ubuntu :-). Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "Slavery is a part of Islam. Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam." -- Sheikh Saleh Al-Fawzan, Saudi cleric http://www.arabianews.org/english/article.cfm?qid=132&sid=2 From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 17:10:17 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Jan 17 17:10:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1137335494.19476.11.camel@eviltwin> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <5bdc1c8b0601141047u4038de6av75e6a8ba45911df3@mail.gmail.com> <1137335494.19476.11.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0601171410t2d66ad47o4924d78ff3256d67@mail.gmail.com> On 1/15/06, Jan Depner wrote: > > How did you record the acoustic/classical guitar? Where's you place > > the mic/mics? I like the sound of that instrument a lot. > > > > It's mostly the guitar - hand made Jose Morales classical, Spanish > cedar top, bookmatched rosewood back and sides, hand made rosette, all > wood binding. It's a beautiful instrument. I picked it up in Granada > Spain at Jose Morales' shop in 1978 for $150 (with case ;-) I've played > it next to $3000+ Ramirez guitars and it blows them away. I used a > cheap Marshall 603 condenser mic about a foot away from where the > fingerboard meets the body and a cheap Marshall 2001 about 3 feet away > and more towards the bridge. I used a little Gverb on both sides and > some Tape Delay Simulation on the 603. > > > -- > Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The guitar, as well as the player, are both keepers. Cheers, Mark From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 17:52:35 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Jan 17 17:52:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? Message-ID: Has anyone actually got this working? If so how and with what settings? I've got 2.6.15 with patch-2.6.15-rt2 to compile fine and boot but the irq handlers seem to use 90% of cpu and the system really feels like it's chugging, everything takes 10 to 100 times longer to load, and anything musical is impossible. I'm running amd64 3000 on an ati chipset based mb. All normal modules, nothing external. I've tried with a number of older kernels / patches but i'm wondering if there is a magic collection that actually works. ;-) Loki From mista.tapas at gmx.net Tue Jan 17 17:55:42 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Tue Jan 17 17:55:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060117235542.2a8e8483@mango.fruits.de> On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:52:35 +1100 Loki Davison wrote: > Has anyone actually got this working? If so how and with what > settings? I've got 2.6.15 with patch-2.6.15-rt2 to compile fine and > boot but the irq handlers seem to use 90% of cpu and the system really > feels like it's chugging, everything takes 10 to 100 times longer to > load, and anything musical is impossible. I'm running amd64 3000 on an > ati chipset based mb. All normal modules, nothing external. I've tried > with a number of older kernels / patches but i'm wondering if there is > a magic collection that actually works. ;-) Hi, i'm on X86, so i cannot test to see whether this is reproducable, but i would suggest you make sure to run the latest version and if the problem persists, email to ingo (CC to lkml if you feel like it). Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jan 17 17:57:21 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jan 17 17:57:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1137538642.19678.59.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 09:52 +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > Has anyone actually got this working? If so how and with what > settings? I've got 2.6.15 with patch-2.6.15-rt2 to compile fine and > boot but the irq handlers seem to use 90% of cpu and the system really > feels like it's chugging, everything takes 10 to 100 times longer to > load, and anything musical is impossible. I'm running amd64 3000 on an > ati chipset based mb. All normal modules, nothing external. I've tried > with a number of older kernels / patches but i'm wondering if there is > a magic collection that actually works. ;-) Which IRQ handlers? Is this an SMP system/kernel? If you enable latency tracing what does /proc/latency_trace say? Lee From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 18:03:49 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Jan 17 18:03:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: <1137538642.19678.59.camel@mindpipe> References: <1137538642.19678.59.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 1/18/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 09:52 +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > Has anyone actually got this working? If so how and with what > > settings? I've got 2.6.15 with patch-2.6.15-rt2 to compile fine and > > boot but the irq handlers seem to use 90% of cpu and the system really > > feels like it's chugging, everything takes 10 to 100 times longer to > > load, and anything musical is impossible. I'm running amd64 3000 on an > > ati chipset based mb. All normal modules, nothing external. I've tried > > with a number of older kernels / patches but i'm wondering if there is > > a magic collection that actually works. ;-) > > Which IRQ handlers? Is this an SMP system/kernel? If you enable > latency tracing what does /proc/latency_trace say? > > Lee > > I'm not currently running it for obvious reasons. I'll reboot and check but i'm pretty sure it's called something like irq_timer not actually irq 11 or anything like that. This is a single core, non-smp system. I haven't got latency tracing enabled, but i'll recompile with it and check. Has anyone got it actually working on x86_64 though? Loki From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 18:12:46 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Jan 17 18:12:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Looking for Sound card recommendation In-Reply-To: <200601161348.08800.techlist@pathfinder.phys.utk.edu> References: <200601161348.08800.techlist@pathfinder.phys.utk.edu> Message-ID: On 1/17/06, Reuben D. Budiardja wrote: > > Hello, > I am in the process of looking for a decent sound card to replace my current > > soundcard which is integrated in the motherboard. > > The requirement I am looking for are: > 1. Supported by ALSA > 2. 5.1 output channel with decent sound. > 3. Have MIDI/Joystick port and MIDI capture is supported by ALSA. I want the > to use the computer to capture MIDI from my keyboard with some sort of > sequencer program so then I can print the music. > 4. Line-in and Mic input. Line-in capture should be supported so I can > record / digitize music. > 5. Not too expensive :). Probably I am looking at around $50 or less to > spend. > > Is there such soundcard ? > > I was first thinking Sound Blaster Live 5.1 but that card is hard to find > nowadays in any online store that I browsed. So any recommendation / > suggestion, and probably with link, is greatly appreciated. > > Thank you. > RDB > -- > Reuben D. Budiardja > Dept. Physics and Astronomy > University of Tennessee, Knoxville, TN > Second hand sblive. USD50 doesn't sound like a whole lot. Decent sound is not going to happen from an sblive though. I've got one, and compaired to my 60 euro griffin imic it's really, really horrible. Maybe for digital out it would be fine though. I'd pay a bit more and get the cheapest m-audio card. Much nicer and seeing as it's got digital out 5.1 shouldn't be a prob. Loki From ix at replic.net Tue Jan 17 18:25:08 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Tue Jan 17 18:25:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060117232508.GA1873@replic.net> On Wed Jan 18, 2006 at 09:52:35AM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > Has anyone actually got this working? If so how and with what > settings? I've got 2.6.15 with patch-2.6.15-rt2 to compile fine and > boot but the irq handlers seem to use 90% of cpu and the system really > feels like it's chugging, everything takes 10 to 100 times longer to > load, and anything musical is impossible. I'm running amd64 3000 on an > ati chipset based mb. All normal modules, nothing external. I've tried > with a number of older kernels / patches but i'm wondering if there is > a magic collection that actually works. ;-) proper and stable audio timing and performance from my perspective after trying to get it for the past year seems to be a holy grail relegated to those running x86_32 hardware and RME cards... ive generally tried out ingo's about once every 6 weeks since switching to AMD64. about 10% of the time the compile fails, and about 90% of the time it compiles fine, and it freezes anywhere from 3 minutes to an hour after booting, regardless of load or current activity, it seems to be straight up random kernel lock, with no panic message or anything.. once it DID actually work, and my card was flawlessly pumping out audio under load and X server activity and 16 or 32 sample buffers.. i'll never remember the kernel version, though. thats with a desktop, with a turion (and X2) the situation is significantly worse, involving timer drift causing jack problems (recently discussed here) and ive been too lazy to track down what is the preferred solution/patch/workaround and whether its compatible with mingo patch or not.. so basically ive been thinking about installing OsuX instead (and just buying a copy even though im running it on Turion) since its ATI driver is bound to be vastly better and its GPU-offloaded windowing system less likely to interfere with CoreAudio (i often get problems even with 2 1024 sample buffers in JACK and a nice -19 (or is that +20?) Xserver...even with the 1000hz timing resolution./ good luck! ,c From roberts.noah at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 18:30:11 2006 From: roberts.noah at gmail.com (Noah Roberts) Date: Tue Jan 17 18:30:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: References: <1137538642.19678.59.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <567aa5f60601171530i1a226912g7d84208991e627cf@mail.gmail.com> On 1/17/06, Loki Davison wrote: > On 1/18/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 09:52 +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > > Has anyone actually got this working? If so how and with what > > > settings? I've got 2.6.15 with patch-2.6.15-rt2 to compile fine and > > > boot but the irq handlers seem to use 90% of cpu and the system really > > > feels like it's chugging, everything takes 10 to 100 times longer to > > > load, and anything musical is impossible. I'm running amd64 3000 on an > > > ati chipset based mb. All normal modules, nothing external. I've tried > > > with a number of older kernels / patches but i'm wondering if there is > > > a magic collection that actually works. ;-) > > > > Which IRQ handlers? Is this an SMP system/kernel? If you enable > > latency tracing what does /proc/latency_trace say? > > > > Lee > > > > > > I'm not currently running it for obvious reasons. I'll reboot and > check but i'm pretty sure it's called something like irq_timer not > actually irq 11 or anything like that. This is a single core, non-smp > system. I haven't got latency tracing enabled, but i'll recompile with > it and check. > > Has anyone got it actually working on x86_64 though? Yes, I had up to 2.6.15-rt1 working but ran into too many problems with various areas of running a 64 bit system that when I fried my HD on accident I installed in legacy mode. Too much just didn't work right. I haven't tried the RT kernel yet to see if certain areas of the system still break, but already I am happier with the system as a whole. From carotinobg at yahoo.it Tue Jan 17 18:35:57 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Tue Jan 17 18:31:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it =?iso-8859-1?q?be=09back=3F?= In-Reply-To: <20060117165636.GA1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <43CD5D2F.5010708@expressmart.com> <20060117165636.GA1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> Message-ID: <200601180035.58101.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 17:56, marted? 17 gennaio 2006, paul wisehart ha scritto: > I'm more curious as to how many people use slackware (here). > I do, and make my own pacakges, but it would be nice > to borrow other poeple's packages or SlackBuild scripts. I am too on a Slackware 10.2, I compile everything from the sources. I've compiled a custom 2.6.15 with realtime-lsm. The real problem is that I'm on a dialup, so I really miss the various Gnome libraries that Volkerding decided to leave out from the last Slackware. I personally really don't like Gnome, but you know, there are so many software linked to various gnome libs... It's a pain to download everything and compile 10 libraries for a single software... why people don't only link to GTK?:) Byez! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From listreader at lupulin.net Tue Jan 17 18:29:41 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Tue Jan 17 18:33:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? In-Reply-To: <43CD3611.5030005@poeticstudios.com> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5114.4090305@expressmart.com> <20060117140823.GC8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5D2F.5010708@expressmart.com> <20060117165636.GA1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <43CD8D81.2070404@expressmart.com> <43CD3611.5030005@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <20060117232941.GB1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 07:23:13PM +0100, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > > > > Have you counted me, already? :-) > > c. > Four ,.. Four peanut-butter sandwiches Timothy Alan Gorman Salvatore Di Pietro Cesare Marilungo paul wisehart when do we begin to take over the world ? do you guys build packages by making your own SlackBuild scripts ? checkinstall is pretty good for sharing binary packages if your in a hurry. -- paul \ / wisehart >/ |\|\|\ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jan 17 18:34:56 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jan 17 18:35:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: <20060117232508.GA1873@replic.net> References: <20060117232508.GA1873@replic.net> Message-ID: <1137540896.3587.6.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 23:25 +0000, cdr wrote: > On Wed Jan 18, 2006 at 09:52:35AM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > Has anyone actually got this working? If so how and with what > > settings? I've got 2.6.15 with patch-2.6.15-rt2 to compile fine and > > boot but the irq handlers seem to use 90% of cpu and the system really > > feels like it's chugging, everything takes 10 to 100 times longer to > > load, and anything musical is impossible. I'm running amd64 3000 on an > > ati chipset based mb. All normal modules, nothing external. I've tried > > with a number of older kernels / patches but i'm wondering if there is > > a magic collection that actually works. ;-) > > proper and stable audio timing and performance from my perspective after trying to get it for the past year seems to be a holy grail relegated to those running x86_32 hardware and RME cards... Does it work on the same hardware with a 32 bit kernel? Lee From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Tue Jan 17 18:36:18 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Tue Jan 17 18:37:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: <20060117232508.GA1873@replic.net> References: <20060117232508.GA1873@replic.net> Message-ID: <1137540978.7138.4.camel@eviltwin> On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 23:25 +0000, cdr wrote: > On Wed Jan 18, 2006 at 09:52:35AM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > Has anyone actually got this working? If so how and with what > > settings? I've got 2.6.15 with patch-2.6.15-rt2 to compile fine and > > boot but the irq handlers seem to use 90% of cpu and the system really > > feels like it's chugging, everything takes 10 to 100 times longer to > > load, and anything musical is impossible. I'm running amd64 3000 on an > > ati chipset based mb. All normal modules, nothing external. I've tried > > with a number of older kernels / patches but i'm wondering if there is > > a magic collection that actually works. ;-) > > proper and stable audio timing and performance from my perspective after trying to get it for the past year seems to be a holy grail relegated to those running x86_32 hardware and RME cards... > > ive generally tried out ingo's about once every 6 weeks since switching to AMD64. about 10% of the time the compile fails, and about 90% of the time it compiles fine, and it freezes anywhere from 3 minutes to an hour after booting, regardless of load or current activity, it seems to be straight up random kernel lock, with no panic message or anything.. > > once it DID actually work, and my card was flawlessly pumping out audio under load and X server activity and 16 or 32 sample buffers.. i'll never remember the kernel version, though. > > thats with a desktop, with a turion (and X2) the situation is significantly worse, involving timer drift causing jack problems (recently discussed here) and ive been too lazy to track down what is the preferred solution/patch/workaround and whether its compatible with mingo patch or not.. > > so basically ive been thinking about installing OsuX instead (and just buying a copy even though im running it on Turion) since its ATI driver is bound to be vastly better and its GPU-offloaded windowing system less likely to interfere with CoreAudio (i often get problems even with 2 1024 sample buffers in JACK and a nice -19 (or is that +20?) Xserver...even with the 1000hz timing resolution./ > > good luck! > ,c Interesting. I'm running an AMD64 Athlon 3700+ with no problems. Ardour, JACK, and JAMin run with zero hiccups. Here's how - I'm running Fedora Core 4 32 bit OS and Planet CCRMA 2.6.14-0.10.rrt.rhfc4.ccrma. I decided I'd rather record easily and without xruns than live on the bleeding edge. My system runs like a scalded dawg as we say down here in the "Sowf". -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 19:39:48 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Jan 17 19:39:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: <1137540978.7138.4.camel@eviltwin> References: <20060117232508.GA1873@replic.net> <1137540978.7138.4.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: On 1/18/06, Jan Depner wrote: > On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 23:25 +0000, cdr wrote: > > On Wed Jan 18, 2006 at 09:52:35AM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > > Has anyone actually got this working? If so how and with what > > > settings? I've got 2.6.15 with patch-2.6.15-rt2 to compile fine and > > > boot but the irq handlers seem to use 90% of cpu and the system really > > > feels like it's chugging, everything takes 10 to 100 times longer to > > > load, and anything musical is impossible. I'm running amd64 3000 on an > > > ati chipset based mb. All normal modules, nothing external. I've tried > > > with a number of older kernels / patches but i'm wondering if there is > > > a magic collection that actually works. ;-) > > > > proper and stable audio timing and performance from my perspective after > trying to get it for the past year seems to be a holy grail relegated to > those running x86_32 hardware and RME cards... > > > > ive generally tried out ingo's about once every 6 weeks since switching to > AMD64. about 10% of the time the compile fails, and about 90% of the time it > compiles fine, and it freezes anywhere from 3 minutes to an hour after > booting, regardless of load or current activity, it seems to be straight up > random kernel lock, with no panic message or anything.. > > > > once it DID actually work, and my card was flawlessly pumping out audio > under load and X server activity and 16 or 32 sample buffers.. i'll never > remember the kernel version, though. > > > > thats with a desktop, with a turion (and X2) the situation is > significantly worse, involving timer drift causing jack problems (recently > discussed here) and ive been too lazy to track down what is the preferred > solution/patch/workaround and whether its compatible with mingo patch or > not.. > > > > so basically ive been thinking about installing OsuX instead (and just > buying a copy even though im running it on Turion) since its ATI driver is > bound to be vastly better and its GPU-offloaded windowing system less likely > to interfere with CoreAudio (i often get problems even with 2 1024 sample > buffers in JACK and a nice -19 (or is that +20?) Xserver...even with the > 1000hz timing resolution./ > > > > good luck! > > ,c > > Interesting. I'm running an AMD64 Athlon 3700+ with no problems. > Ardour, JACK, and JAMin run with zero hiccups. Here's how - I'm running > Fedora Core 4 32 bit OS and Planet CCRMA 2.6.14-0.10.rrt.rhfc4.ccrma. I > decided I'd rather record easily and without xruns than live on the > bleeding edge. My system runs like a scalded dawg as we say down here > in the "Sowf". > > -- > Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner > The Fuzzy Dice > http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html > > > "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be > glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and > this we should do freely and generously." > > Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of > Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 > > Lee, i haven't tried the same hardware with rt patched 32 bit kernel. I'm guessing i'm just sticking to non-rt kernel then... though how the hell do the studio 64 guys do it? Then again could reinstall whole system as 32 bit mode... Loki From mike.taht at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 20:05:55 2006 From: mike.taht at gmail.com (Mike Taht) Date: Tue Jan 17 20:06:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: References: <20060117232508.GA1873@replic.net> <1137540978.7138.4.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <158277e20601171705k47cfb17dt326e89f6f7dd89be@mail.gmail.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If anyone else has positive reports i'd love to hear. thanks, Loki From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 20:40:08 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Jan 17 20:40:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0601171740n3a2cb5admd7f53f2d095acbb9@mail.gmail.com> Hi Loki, I'm running exactly that kernel in 64-bit mode: mark@lightning ~ $ uname -a Linux lightning 2.6.15-rt2 #2 PREEMPT Thu Jan 5 16:13:25 PST 2006 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux mark@lightning ~ $ It works OK for me. I'm xrun free at 64/2 on my HDSP 9652 for anywhere from 2 - 6 hours and then I'll get a flurry of xruns. I see pretty much the same problems in Aqualung, which doesn't generally mind the xruns, or Ardour which will usually shut down when they happen. Folks here have blamed my complicated setup which uses the Gentoo chroot'ed 32-bit environment for web browsing and 32-bit multimedia only, but I've run the same tests with all of that turned off and still see that problem. I see no issues like you are describing with CPU usage, but I'm using an NForce4 chipset with an ATI PCI Express video card. Possibly it's an ATI chipset issue. I could send you a copy of my config file offline. Cheers, Mark On 1/17/06, Loki Davison wrote: > Has anyone actually got this working? If so how and with what > settings? I've got 2.6.15 with patch-2.6.15-rt2 to compile fine and > boot but the irq handlers seem to use 90% of cpu and the system really > feels like it's chugging, everything takes 10 to 100 times longer to > load, and anything musical is impossible. I'm running amd64 3000 on an > ati chipset based mb. All normal modules, nothing external. I've tried > with a number of older kernels / patches but i'm wondering if there is > a magic collection that actually works. ;-) > > Loki > From groups at xscd.com Tue Jan 17 21:15:56 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Tue Jan 17 21:16:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Homemade music Message-ID: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> More homemade music-- Some days ago Thorsten Wilms sent me a great percussion track called Gnomes. I have added melodic and harmonic elements to it and the result can be found here: OGG format: http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/thorsten-wilms-and-steve-doonan_gnomes.ogg MP3 format: http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/thorsten-wilms-and-steve-doonan_gnomes.mp3 I did not edit Thorsten's track at all. I just decoded it into .wav format using oggdec, then imported the .wav into Ardour and began adding tracks. I used Jamin to make the mixdown track, exported it from Ardour, then encoded the exported .wav into ogg (with oggenc) and mp3 (with lame). Criticisms (of the melodic/harmonic elements) is welcome. I have a pretty bad case of flu right now so my ears aren't as good as they should be. ;-) If anyone would like to compare this to Thorsten's original track, that track can be found here: Thorsten's percussion track: http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/thorsten-wilms_gnomes.ogg Best wishes all, and Thorsten, thank you for this enjoyable Internet collaboration, although I have no idea if you will like what I have done to your track. ;-) -Steve D -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Doing research is like being in a darkened room, feeling the sides of an object to determine what color it is. -Eli Khamarov ---------------------------------------------------------------- From steve at hassard.net Tue Jan 17 21:38:20 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Tue Jan 17 21:38:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Looking for Sound card recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <200601161348.08800.techlist@pathfinder.phys.utk.edu> Message-ID: <43CDAA1C.20406@hassard.net> Loki Davison wrote: > Maybe for digital out it would be fine though. I'd pay a bit more and > get the cheapest m-audio card. Much nicer and seeing as it's got > digital out 5.1 shouldn't be a prob. Just a quick word of caution about picking up an M-Audio Revolution 7.1. Their is some bug sitting in alsa right now that causes the left side of the front stereo pair to be muted until you twiddle the volume. Naming of the channels also causes some problems with gui mixers that expect naming other than DAC[0-8] or so .. Otherwise, the audio out is nice, but the above problems make it a bit more of a pain in the ass. I've replaced mine with a SB Audigy2, and it sound fairly close in the way of quality, and is much less of a pain in the ass .. later, Steve From timg at expressmart.com Tue Jan 17 22:31:13 2006 From: timg at expressmart.com (timg@expressmart.com) Date: Tue Jan 17 22:45:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) itbe back? In-Reply-To: <200601180035.58101.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin><43CD5D2F.5010708@expressmart.com><20060117165636.GA1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <200601180035.58101.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <1515.24.97.120.68.1137555073.squirrel@24.97.112.38> I think that dropline would get all of those in ... in an easy way... I just compiled everything.. and alot of the packages came from "linux packages.org" ot what ever the URL is.... > Hi! > > Alle 17:56, marted? 17 gennaio 2006, paul wisehart ha scritto: >> I'm more curious as to how many people use slackware (here). >> I do, and make my own pacakges, but it would be nice >> to borrow other poeple's packages or SlackBuild scripts. > > I am too on a Slackware 10.2, I compile everything from the sources. I've > compiled a custom 2.6.15 with realtime-lsm. The real problem is that I'm > on a > dialup, so I really miss the various Gnome libraries that Volkerding > decided > to leave out from the last Slackware. I personally really don't like > Gnome, > but you know, there are so many software linked to various gnome libs... > It's > a pain to download everything and compile 10 libraries for a single > software... why people don't only link to GTK?:) > > Byez! > > Carotinho > > > > > > ___________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB > http://mail.yahoo.it > -- Timothy Alan Gorman Petr-all Petroleum 6567 kinne rd dewitt ny 13214 cell 315 415 8108 office 315 446 0125 x 126 From clemens at ladisch.de Wed Jan 18 03:43:54 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Wed Jan 18 03:45:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] virmidi and 2.6.14 (Demudi) In-Reply-To: <43CD42A6.4060506@woh.rr.com> References: <43CD03B6.7070405@woh.rr.com> <1137518888.43cd2928da794@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD32D1.9000306@woh.rr.com> <1137521676.43cd340cd2923@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD42A6.4060506@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1137573834.43cdffcace003@webmail.uni-halle.de> Dave Phillips wrote: > Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > > You never mentioned the raw MIDI port (which es where the MIDI data > > shows up). > > I'm not sure what you mean here. The raw MIDI ports are the old OSS device files (/dev/midi*). In your configuration, the virtual MIDI devices are configured like this: OSS emul. ALSA raw MIDI ALSA sequencer /dev/midi02 hw:2,0 <--> 80:0 /dev/amidi02 hw:2,1 <--> 80:1 hw:2,2 <--> 80:2 hw:2,3 <--> 80:3 Please run the following commands (in separate consoles): aseqdump -p 80:0 amidi -p hw:2,0 -S "90 12 34 80 56 78" or, for the other direction: amidi -p hw:2,0 -d aplaymidi -p 80:0 something.mid Is there any output? Regards, Clemens From carotinobg at yahoo.it Wed Jan 18 07:14:25 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Wed Jan 18 07:09:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) =?iso-8859-1?q?itbe=09back=3F?= In-Reply-To: <1515.24.97.120.68.1137555073.squirrel@24.97.112.38> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <200601180035.58101.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <1515.24.97.120.68.1137555073.squirrel@24.97.112.38> Message-ID: <200601181314.25997.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 04:31, mercoled? 18 gennaio 2006, timg@expressmart.com ha scritto: > I think that dropline would get all of those in ... in an easy way... > I just compiled everything.. and alot of the packages came from "linux > packages.org" ot what ever the URL is.... I know about dropline, but I'll wait for some fast internet connection (due next month here in my town) before attempting to download such a beast!:) Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Jan 18 08:50:49 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Jan 18 08:28:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] virmidi and 2.6.14 (Demudi) In-Reply-To: <1137573834.43cdffcace003@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <43CD03B6.7070405@woh.rr.com> <1137518888.43cd2928da794@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD32D1.9000306@woh.rr.com> <1137521676.43cd340cd2923@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD42A6.4060506@woh.rr.com> <1137573834.43cdffcace003@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <43CE47B9.9010205@woh.rr.com> Clemens Ladisch wrote: >>>You never mentioned the raw MIDI port (which es where the MIDI data >>>shows up). >>> >>> >>I'm not sure what you mean here. >> >> > >The raw MIDI ports are the old OSS device files (/dev/midi*). > >In your configuration, the virtual MIDI devices are configured like this: > >OSS emul. ALSA raw MIDI ALSA sequencer >/dev/midi02 hw:2,0 <--> 80:0 >/dev/amidi02 hw:2,1 <--> 80:1 > hw:2,2 <--> 80:2 > hw:2,3 <--> 80:3 > > Thank you for that clarification. So the ALSA virtual MIDI ports are mapped to the raw MIDI ports ? >Please run the following commands (in separate consoles): > >aseqdump -p 80:0 >amidi -p hw:2,0 -S "90 12 34 80 56 78" > >or, for the other direction: > >amidi -p hw:2,0 -d >aplaymidi -p 80:0 something.mid > >Is there any output? > > Yes, there is. But if I connect the virmidi port to a synth there's still no sound. The second example shows the MIDI file playing along fine, but using QJackCtl to connect 80:0 to a synth produces no sound. I set the port to the MIDI Thru port, got sound. How can this be happening ? Btw, when I rebooted into Demudi this morning the virmidi card was placed first in my cards list in /proc/asound/cards. I removed the module and tried to reload it with index=2 but the load failed with an error stating that snd-virmidi.ko didn't exist. I tried loading it without the parameter, it loaded fine (but still doesn't work). Also btw, I asked on the Demudi list whether anyone has this module actually working. One user reported that he has the same problem, i.e., the module loads but is not working. Same kernel (2.6.14). And thank you very much for helping me with this trouble. Best, dp From x at branwelt.de Wed Jan 18 08:51:28 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Wed Jan 18 08:59:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] timer resolution In-Reply-To: <43A163F8.1080207@laposte.net> References: <20051214221643.63430.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> <43A135EA.3030900@walescomputers.co.uk> <200512151158.35416.tito@rumford.de> <43A156E1.9050309@walescomputers.co.uk> <43A163F8.1080207@laposte.net> Message-ID: <43CE47E0.4010900@branwelt.de> hi When starting rosegarden (cvs), I get the message "System timer resolution to low". However, AFAICT the high resolution timer is enabled (?) How would I test it manually? What to do? kernel-config: CONFIG_HPET_TIMER=y CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS=y CONFIG_HIGH_RES_RESOLUTION=1000 Muse output: cannot set ticks 1024 on /dev/rtc: No right precise timer not available set timer ticks failed $ cat /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq 1024 $ ls -lh /dev/rtc crw-rw---- 1 root audio 10, 135 2005-12-15 12:27 /dev/rtc $ cat /proc/asound/seq/timer Timer for queue 0 : system timer Period time : 0.004000000 Skew : 65536 / 65536 $ cat /proc/asound/timers G0: system timer : 4000.000us (10000000 ticks) Client sequencer queue 0 : running : lost interrupts 0 P0-0-0: PCM playback 0-0-0 : SLAVE P0-0-1: PCM capture 0-0-1 : SLAVE P1-0-0: PCM playback 1-0-0 : SLAVE P1-0-1: PCM capture 1-0-1 : SLAVE $ cat /proc/driver/rtc rtc_time : 13:58:36 rtc_date : 2005-12-15 rtc_epoch : 1900 alarm : 17:50:32 DST_enable : no BCD : yes 24hr : yes square_wave : no alarm_IRQ : no update_IRQ : no periodic_IRQ : no periodic_freq : 1024 batt_status : okay From x at branwelt.de Wed Jan 18 08:56:51 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Wed Jan 18 09:04:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] notes on fst In-Reply-To: <20051207234945.GA8490@mobilat> References: <20051207234945.GA8490@mobilat> Message-ID: <43CE4923.30407@branwelt.de> 'NI Reaktor Session' started with fst (v1.7) doesn't respond to mouse-clicks (more exactly: it seems to respond, but not visually: I can select a comboBox-entry and hear the changes, but it doesn't update visually). Maybe there's something as an "updateGuiHandler" missing? When started standalone with wine (or with savihost), there's no such problem. (Wine 0.9.5) A suggestion: Some plugins do not support patch-loading/saving themself, but use the vst-api (??) Maybe this could be added to fst todo-list, since state-saving is important. best regards, emanuel From timg at expressmart.com Wed Jan 18 16:14:45 2006 From: timg at expressmart.com (Timothy Alan Gorman) Date: Wed Jan 18 09:11:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) itbe back? In-Reply-To: <200601181314.25997.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <200601180035.58101.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <1515.24.97.120.68.1137555073.squirrel@24.97.112.38> <200601181314.25997.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <43CEAFC5.1070702@expressmart.com> You need to have someone on here send you a cd or 2 ...... Carotinho wrote: >Hi! > >Alle 04:31, mercoled? 18 gennaio 2006, timg@expressmart.com ha scritto: > > >>I think that dropline would get all of those in ... in an easy way... >>I just compiled everything.. and alot of the packages came from "linux >>packages.org" ot what ever the URL is.... >> >> > >I know about dropline, but I'll wait for some fast internet connection (due >next month here in my town) before attempting to download such a beast!:) > >Carotinho > > > > > >___________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB >http://mail.yahoo.it > > -- 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack, now there's 63,005 bugs in the code!! From t_w_ at freenet.de Wed Jan 18 09:27:08 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Wed Jan 18 09:27:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsasound suddenly freezing system Message-ID: <20060118142708.GA6976@charly.SWORD> Hi! This morning my system froze when it was about bringing up alsasound. I didn't change anything kernel or alsa related since last boot, when it was all working fine. Tried slightly older versions of alsa-lib and co, compiled kernel and modules again to make sure it's not some gcc compatibiliy issue. Tried a new kernel (2.6.15 instead 2.6.13). If I start alsasound on the console, the usual output happens and after a delay of about 1 sec there's some error output, a lot of gibberish ending with: <6>note: events/0[3] exited with preempt_count 1 It's nowhere in the logs and I wasn't like writing down the whole screen. Have been surprised by lastlog and faillog being binary!? lspci lists it just fine, but I wonder if my card is broken now, and how to go about diagnosis. I will be thankful for any suggestion. And all that just when Steve D posted his work on Gnomes :} --- Thorsten Wilms From clemens at ladisch.de Wed Jan 18 10:42:17 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Wed Jan 18 10:42:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] virmidi and 2.6.14 (Demudi) In-Reply-To: <43CE47B9.9010205@woh.rr.com> References: <43CD03B6.7070405@woh.rr.com> <1137518888.43cd2928da794@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD32D1.9000306@woh.rr.com> <1137521676.43cd340cd2923@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD42A6.4060506@woh.rr.com> <1137573834.43cdffcace003@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE47B9.9010205@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1137598937.43ce61d930e75@webmail.uni-halle.de> Dave Phillips wrote: > Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > So the ALSA virtual MIDI ports are mapped to the raw MIDI ports ? Yes. Anything sent to the sequencer ports will show up (only!) on the raw MIDI ports, and vice versa. Anything sent to a through port will be routed to all other connected ports. > >Please run the following commands (in separate consoles): > > > >aseqdump -p 80:0 > >amidi -p hw:2,0 -S "90 12 34 80 56 78" > > > >or, for the other direction: > > > >amidi -p hw:2,0 -d > >aplaymidi -p 80:0 something.mid > > > >Is there any output? > > Yes, there is. But if I connect the virmidi port to a synth there's > still no sound. The virtual MIDI ports convert between old programs using /dev/midi* and new programs using ALSA sequencer ports. They do not connect ALSA sequencer programs together; use the through ports for this. I think you can achieve what you want by connecting a virmidi port and a through port together. HTH Clemens From clemens at ladisch.de Wed Jan 18 10:46:46 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Wed Jan 18 10:47:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsasound suddenly freezing system In-Reply-To: <20060118142708.GA6976@charly.SWORD> References: <20060118142708.GA6976@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <1137599206.43ce62e622df4@webmail.uni-halle.de> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > If I start alsasound on the console, the usual output happens and after > a delay of about 1 sec there's some error output, a lot > of gibberish ending with: > <6>note: events/0[3] exited with preempt_count 1 May be a kernel oops. > It's nowhere in the logs and I wasn't like writing down the whole > screen. Capture the screen with a digital camera and put the .jpg online. Regards, Clemens From ws at seh.de Wed Jan 18 10:50:03 2006 From: ws at seh.de (Werner Schweer) Date: Wed Jan 18 10:48:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] timer resolution In-Reply-To: <43CE47E0.4010900@branwelt.de> References: <20051214221643.63430.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> <43A163F8.1080207@laposte.net> <43CE47E0.4010900@branwelt.de> Message-ID: <200601181650.03256.ws@seh.de> On Wednesday 18 January 2006 14:51, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: > hi > > When starting rosegarden (cvs), I get the message "System timer > resolution to low". > > However, AFAICT the high resolution timer is enabled (?) > How would I test it manually? > What to do? > > > kernel-config: > CONFIG_HPET_TIMER=y > CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS=y > CONFIG_HIGH_RES_RESOLUTION=1000 > > > Muse output: > cannot set ticks 1024 on /dev/rtc: No right > precise timer not available > set timer ticks failed > > > $ cat /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq > 1024 > > > $ ls -lh /dev/rtc > crw-rw---- 1 root audio 10, 135 2005-12-15 12:27 /dev/rtc ----------^^ if you are not in group audio, you dont have any permissions for /dev/rtc. Please check with "id" command. /Werner From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Jan 18 11:29:06 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Jan 18 11:06:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] virmidi and 2.6.14 (Demudi) In-Reply-To: <1137598937.43ce61d930e75@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <43CD03B6.7070405@woh.rr.com> <1137518888.43cd2928da794@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD32D1.9000306@woh.rr.com> <1137521676.43cd340cd2923@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD42A6.4060506@woh.rr.com> <1137573834.43cdffcace003@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE47B9.9010205@woh.rr.com> <1137598937.43ce61d930e75@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <43CE6CD2.5010605@woh.rr.com> Clemens Ladisch wrote: >The virtual MIDI ports convert between old programs using /dev/midi* >and new programs using ALSA sequencer ports. They do not connect >ALSA sequencer programs together; use the through ports for this. > > I'm not sure I understand that. I've been connecting ALSA sequencer clients with the virmidi ports for years. I can send a screenshot of my MIDI connections in QJackCtl, with virmidi ports connected to QSynth, Jack Rack, the Emu10k1 synth, etc. But I may misunderstand what you're telling me. >I think you can achieve what you want by connecting a virmidi port and a >through port together. > > Been there, tried that, got no joy. :( Btw, my results with this problem have been verified by another user of Demudi and the 2.6.14 kernel. Should I be looking at anything else in the system that might cause the trouble ? I'm terribly ignorant about the 2.6 kernels... Well, I can use the MIDI Thru for new work in Demudi. Best, dp From x at branwelt.de Wed Jan 18 11:41:30 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Wed Jan 18 11:49:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] timer resolution In-Reply-To: <200601181650.03256.ws@seh.de> References: <20051214221643.63430.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> <43A163F8.1080207@laposte.net> <43CE47E0.4010900@branwelt.de> <200601181650.03256.ws@seh.de> Message-ID: <43CE6FBA.7060905@branwelt.de> Werner Schweer wrote: >>$ ls -lh /dev/rtc >>crw-rw---- 1 root audio 10, 135 2005-12-15 12:27 /dev/rtc >> >> >----------^^ >if you are not in group audio, you dont have any permissions for /dev/rtc. >Please check with "id" command. > > I'm in the audio-group (debian system, 2.6.13) $ id Groups=......25(floppy),29(audio),40(src),...... From ws at seh.de Wed Jan 18 12:32:47 2006 From: ws at seh.de (Werner Schweer) Date: Wed Jan 18 12:31:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] timer resolution In-Reply-To: <43CE6FBA.7060905@branwelt.de> References: <20051214221643.63430.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> <200601181650.03256.ws@seh.de> <43CE6FBA.7060905@branwelt.de> Message-ID: <200601181832.47419.ws@seh.de> On Wednesday 18 January 2006 17:41, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: > Werner Schweer wrote: > >>$ ls -lh /dev/rtc > >>crw-rw---- 1 root audio 10, 135 2005-12-15 12:27 /dev/rtc > > > >----------^^ > >if you are not in group audio, you dont have any permissions for /dev/rtc. > >Please check with "id" command. > > I'm in the audio-group (debian system, 2.6.13) > > $ id > Groups=......25(floppy),29(audio),40(src),...... ok, another thing i noticed: your "cat /proc/driver/rtc" gives ... update_IRQ : no periodic_IRQ : no my configuration says: periodic_IRQ : yes Maybe you should disable HPET in your kernel. As far as i know nobody is using it. Especially the kernel option "HPET Control RTC IRQ" may disable your /dev/rtc. /Werner From jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com Wed Jan 18 12:56:44 2006 From: jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham) Date: Wed Jan 18 13:10:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] finding format 0 and 2 midi files Message-ID: <20060118175644.GB29177@chicagoguitar.com> I have been working on improving the midi import functions of denemo. I have the current cvs version importing polyphonic type 1 files. I want to know if there is a website that anyone knows of that has a collection of midi format 0 and format 2 files. I would like to add support for importing and exporting type 0 and 2 files. I want some files to test with. Thanks, Jeremiah From carotinobg at yahoo.it Wed Jan 18 13:33:53 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Wed Jan 18 13:29:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) itbe back? In-Reply-To: <43CEAFC5.1070702@expressmart.com> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <200601181314.25997.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <43CEAFC5.1070702@expressmart.com> Message-ID: <200601181933.53859.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 22:14, mercoled? 18 gennaio 2006, Timothy Alan Gorman ha scritto: > You need to have someone on here send you a cd or 2 ...... That's kind of you:) But next month we'll have a wifi high speed connection, I just need to keep calm and wait, wait...:) Byez!:)) Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From robin at rektau.ukfsn.org Wed Jan 18 13:56:39 2006 From: robin at rektau.ukfsn.org (robin) Date: Wed Jan 18 13:56:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] virmidi and 2.6.14 (Demudi) In-Reply-To: <43CE6CD2.5010605@woh.rr.com> References: <43CD03B6.7070405@woh.rr.com> <1137518888.43cd2928da794@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD32D1.9000306@woh.rr.com> <1137521676.43cd340cd2923@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD42A6.4060506@woh.rr.com> <1137573834.43cdffcace003@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE47B9.9010205@woh.rr.com> <1137598937.43ce61d930e75@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE6CD2.5010605@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <43CE8F67.1010803@rektau.ukfsn.org> Dave Phillips wrote: > Clemens Ladisch wrote: > >> The virtual MIDI ports convert between old programs using /dev/midi* >> and new programs using ALSA sequencer ports. They do not connect >> ALSA sequencer programs together; use the through ports for this. >> >> > I'm not sure I understand that. I've been connecting ALSA sequencer > clients with the virmidi ports for years. I can send a screenshot of my > MIDI connections in QJackCtl, with virmidi ports connected to QSynth, > Jack Rack, the Emu10k1 synth, etc. But I may misunderstand what you're > telling me. > >> I think you can achieve what you want by connecting a virmidi port and a >> through port together. >> >> > Been there, tried that, got no joy. :( > > Btw, my results with this problem have been verified by another user of > Demudi and the 2.6.14 kernel. Should I be looking at anything else in > the system that might cause the trouble ? I'm terribly ignorant about > the 2.6 kernels... > > Well, I can use the MIDI Thru for new work in Demudi. > > Best, > > dp > > > Possibly grasping at straws. I've just noticed under /proc/asound/VirMIDI is oss_mixer which when cat gives zero levels. Should there also be some sort of alsa mixer there? Or should the alsa oss compatibility take care of that? robin From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Wed Jan 18 14:44:42 2006 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio64) Date: Wed Jan 18 14:45:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Real Time Sound Levels readings and comparing Message-ID: <43CE9AAA.1050007@walescomputers.co.uk> HI All Is there a Linux way of recording sound from a club or pub/bar using a real time analyzer and then getting an average DB level reading? I would then need to take another reading later and compare the two. In the UK there is a lot of new legislation re sound levels from bars and clubs and I would like to offer a service to show them the levels they are putting out. I would need some way of printing the levels out in a document. This will show that if the clubs has a certain sound level on the dance floor it can't be above a certain level at the street. ie: 75db in the club may read only 65db in the street, meaning they are not causing a noise problem. I'm using 64studio/Ardour/Jamin at the moment on debian, but have also use the planet on Redhat/Fedora. I'm sure its all in here somewhere I just need to know what to learn. Cheers Bob From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Jan 18 15:06:05 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Jan 18 15:04:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Real Time Sound Levels readings and comparing In-Reply-To: <43CE9AAA.1050007@walescomputers.co.uk> References: <43CE9AAA.1050007@walescomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060118200605.71716ce0@localhost> On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:44:42 +0000 studio64 wrote: > HI All > Is there a Linux way of recording sound from a club or pub/bar using a > real time analyzer > and then getting an average DB level reading? > > I would then need to take another reading later and compare the two. > > In the UK there is a lot of new legislation re sound levels from bars > and clubs > and I would like to offer a service to show them the levels they are > putting out. > > I would need some way of printing the levels out in a document. > > This will show that if the clubs has a certain sound level on the dance > floor it can't be above a certain level at the street. > > ie: > 75db in the club may read only 65db in the street, meaning they are not > causing a noise problem. > > I'm using 64studio/Ardour/Jamin at the moment on debian, but have also > use the planet on Redhat/Fedora. > > I'm sure its all in here somewhere I just need to know what to learn. > > Cheers > Bob Getting reliable field sound level measurements is a notoriously difficult task. I do not envy you. Making assumptions about transmission attenuation through walls etc. is even more fraught. One of the most unbelievable variables is the number of people in the space, the clothes they are wearing and where they are standing! Not only does this affect absorbtion but also standing wave characteristics etc. I wish you luck! -- F From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Jan 18 15:26:41 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Jan 18 15:25:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Homemade music In-Reply-To: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> References: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> Message-ID: <20060118202641.250601cd@localhost> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:15:56 -0700 Steve D wrote: > More homemade music-- > > Some days ago Thorsten Wilms sent me a great percussion track called > Gnomes. I have added melodic and harmonic elements to it and the result > can be found here: > > OGG format: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/thorsten-wilms-and-steve-doonan_gnomes.ogg > > MP3 format: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/thorsten-wilms-and-steve-doonan_gnomes.mp3 > > I did not edit Thorsten's track at all. I just decoded it into .wav > format using oggdec, then imported the .wav into Ardour and began adding > tracks. I used Jamin to make the mixdown track, exported it from Ardour, > then encoded the exported .wav into ogg (with oggenc) and mp3 (with > lame). > > Criticisms (of the melodic/harmonic elements) is welcome. I have a > pretty bad case of flu right now so my ears aren't as good as they > should be. ;-) > > If anyone would like to compare this to Thorsten's original track, that > track can be found here: > > Thorsten's percussion track: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/thorsten-wilms_gnomes.ogg > > Best wishes all, and Thorsten, thank you for this enjoyable Internet > collaboration, although I have no idea if you will like what I have done > to your track. ;-) > > -Steve D Very impressive! I'd like to hear more such collaborations! -- F From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Wed Jan 18 15:40:44 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Jan 18 15:51:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music material - Gnomes In-Reply-To: <20060111210814.GG11002@charly.SWORD> References: <20060111210814.GG11002@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <200601182140.44940.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 11 January 2006 22:08, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Hi! > > So I made a pure percussion track for Steve D - but also everyone else, > who would like to use it as basement or for cutting up :) > > Full mix with a little reverb: > http://ccmixter.org/people/thorwil/thorwil_-_Gnomes_full_percussion_track.o >gg > > Single dry tracks are linked from > http://ccmixter.org/media/files/thorwil/3566 > > I chose ccMixter because it is aimed at such things and provides > visibility outside the lau/lad community. Sadly they have a filesize > limit at 10 MB, otherwise the full mix would have been flac, too. > > An early version of this made someone on #lad think of gnomes moving stuff > around and suddenly running away and hiding when the houseowner looks > after the noise. I tried to make it a bit more to that story. > > All sounds come from custom Om patches. For drum_1 3 Fm operators are > triggered seperately, influencing each other, with 2 of them having audio > outs. slight offsets between the trigger notes change the sound in > interesting ways because of this. Dave is my hero for this gift to > humankind, even though I more or less have to use an old CVS version ;) > > All MIDI mouse-clicked in MusE. Also used for recording. Removed the files > from the arrangement to normalize them (even though there was almost no > headroom) in Sweep and to rename them. Audio file handling is realy a bit > weak in MusE, but it's all straightforward. > > Reimported the tracks to add reverb. Used a single reverb (gverb, afair) in > one group and groups for the audio tracks to have send levels. I also like > this approach to insert highpass filter in front of reverb for tracks > with bass / kick to avoid low frequency smear. But found it unecessary in > this case. > > Thanks to the developers of all the fine software, making things like this > possible in an open environment! > > Looking forward to work based on this. Don't hold back with criticism or > imitations of this procedure ;) > > > --- > Thorsten Wilms Hi Thorsten. You've really got to get your soundcard fixed. Steve Doonan's made a really nice track from your percussion track. This is really great, this sort of thing. No money involved. Just for a bit of fun, and working together. Nigel. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jan 18 16:04:47 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jan 18 16:04:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hardware In-Reply-To: References: <1136012659.3050.15.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1137618288.26812.11.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 11:41 -0500, Jamie Guinan wrote: > Hi Lee and group, > > So did you ever get your new system? > > I can see you're not a big fan of NVidia, but I thought I'd play a > little devil's advocate here. > > I put together a new AMD X2 system a few weeks ago with a Tyan > motherboard, NVidia CK804 (nforce4) chipset, > 00:0a.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 Ethernet Controller > (rev a3) > [ drivers/net/forcedeth.c ] > I don't want to buy a board where the 100MBit Ethernet controller requires a reverse engineered driver that's marked EXPERIMENTAL in the kernel config, and the 1000Mbit controller requires a binary only driver... Lee From fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk Wed Jan 18 16:34:46 2006 From: fsmith at walescomputers.co.uk (studio64) Date: Wed Jan 18 16:34:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Real Time Sound Levels readings and comparing In-Reply-To: <20060118200605.71716ce0@localhost> References: <43CE9AAA.1050007@walescomputers.co.uk> <20060118200605.71716ce0@localhost> Message-ID: <43CEB476.50608@walescomputers.co.uk> Folderol wrote: >On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:44:42 +0000 >studio64 wrote: > > > >>HI All >>Is there a Linux way of recording sound from a club or pub/bar using a >>real time analyzer >>and then getting an average DB level reading? >> >>I would then need to take another reading later and compare the two. >> >>In the UK there is a lot of new legislation re sound levels from bars >>and clubs >>and I would like to offer a service to show them the levels they are >>putting out. >> >>I would need some way of printing the levels out in a document. >> >>This will show that if the clubs has a certain sound level on the dance >>floor it can't be above a certain level at the street. >> >>ie: >>75db in the club may read only 65db in the street, meaning they are not >>causing a noise problem. >> >>I'm using 64studio/Ardour/Jamin at the moment on debian, but have also >>use the planet on Redhat/Fedora. >> >>I'm sure its all in here somewhere I just need to know what to learn. >> >>Cheers >>Bob >> >> > >Getting reliable field sound level measurements is a notoriously >difficult task. I do not envy you. > >Making assumptions about transmission attenuation through walls etc. is >even more fraught. > >One of the most unbelievable variables is the number of people in the >space, the clothes they are wearing and where they are standing! Not >only does this affect absorbtion but also standing wave >characteristics etc. > >I wish you luck! > > > HI Yes your right on this, I'm thinking that the DB level will be louder with the club/Bar empty (no people to get in the way) and taking readings from any vents, open doors to show the increase in level. This is how the councils seem to be doing it here in the UK. Cheers Bob From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 17:22:33 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Jan 18 17:22:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi through in 2.6 Message-ID: <43CEBFA9.9090402@gmail.com> Hi I've been using the multimedia kernel from demudi, where I used the midi through alsa device. Now I succesfully roled my own 2.6.15 with this patch: http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/ But I miss the midi through device. How do I enable it with a vanilla + patched kernel? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Jan 18 17:59:40 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Jan 18 17:37:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi through in 2.6 In-Reply-To: <43CEBFA9.9090402@gmail.com> References: <43CEBFA9.9090402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43CEC85C.6020701@woh.rr.com> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I've been using the multimedia kernel from demudi, where I used the > midi through alsa device. Now I succesfully roled my own 2.6.15 with > this patch: http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/ > > But I miss the midi through device. How do I enable it with a vanilla > + patched kernel? > modprobe snd-seq-dummy From sayhi2guy at tiscali.co.uk Wed Jan 18 17:38:41 2006 From: sayhi2guy at tiscali.co.uk (guy) Date: Wed Jan 18 17:40:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? In-Reply-To: <20060117232941.GB1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5114.4090305@expressmart.com> <20060117140823.GC8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5D2F.5010708@expressmart.com> <20060117165636.GA1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <43CD8D81.2070404@expressmart.com> <43CD3611.5030005@poeticstudios.com> <20060117232941.GB1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> Message-ID: <43CEC371.9030206@tiscali.co.uk> paul wisehart wrote: > On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 07:23:13PM +0100, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > >> Have you counted me, already? :-) >> c. >> >> Timothy Alan Gorman >> Salvatore Di Pietro >> Cesare Marilungo >> paul wisehart >> >> I use slackware 10.2. I miss Audioslack, I used to use the packages (you could just use the repository address & download manually without getting involved in slapt-get). Luke was really helpful if you emailed him. I guess it is a lot of work keeping it all current. Now I just "./configure && make && checkinstall --default" the source code to build my packages. Works like a charm (at least once you sort out the pkgconfig path). I am using the 2.6.14 kernel with low latency enabled & am very happy with the results. In fact with all the star wars jokes I'm suprised no one has said it - 'may the source be with you' ;0) >> Regards Guy ___________________________________________________________ Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. http://www.yahoo.co.uk/blackberry From pinojazz at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 17:58:52 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Wed Jan 18 17:59:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi through in 2.6 In-Reply-To: <43CEBFA9.9090402@gmail.com> References: <43CEBFA9.9090402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43CEC82C.2090505@gmail.com> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I've been using the multimedia kernel from demudi, where I used the > midi through alsa device. Now I succesfully roled my own 2.6.15 with > this patch: http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/ > > But I miss the midi through device. How do I enable it with a vanilla > + patched kernel? > Hi,if my english doesn't lie,you must enable: Device Drivers/Sound/Sound card support/Advanced Linux Sound Architecture <*> Sequencer dummy client Or choose instead This is from the "help" tab of the kernel menuconfig CONFIG_SND_SEQ_DUMMY Say Y here to enable the dummy sequencer client. This client is a simple MIDI-through client: all normal input events are redirected to the output port immediately. You don't need this unless you want to connect many MIDI devices or applications together. To compile this driver as a module, choose M here: the module will be called snd-seq-dummy. Symbol: SND_SEQ_DUMMY [=y] Prompt: Sequencer dummy client Defined at sound/core/Kconfig:31 Depends on: !M68K && SOUND!=n && SND_SEQUENCER Location: ->Device Drivers -> Sound -> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture -> Sequencer support (SND_SEQUENCER [=y]) Hope this help. Saludos --Carlos. From musound at jps.net Wed Jan 18 18:04:34 2006 From: musound at jps.net (Sean Bolton) Date: Wed Jan 18 18:04:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hexter DSSI plugin 0.5.9 Message-ID: <70c7ac28070daebe09c9529011edd7a0@jps.net> A minor update of hexter, the Yamaha DX7 modeling DSSI plugin, is now available at: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php? group_id=104230&package_id=134428 Changes include: * The coarse frequency of each operator now can be controlled in real time via MIDI control changes. * Fixes for RPM, gcc 2.9x and 4.x, and Mac OS X 10.4 'Tiger'. More information about hexter and DSSI can be found at: http://dssi.sourceforge.net/hexter.html hexter is written by Sean Bolton, and copyright (c)2006 under the GNU General Public License, version 2 or later. From carotinobg at yahoo.it Wed Jan 18 18:41:35 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Wed Jan 18 18:37:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden, DSSI and note-off In-Reply-To: <43CEB476.50608@walescomputers.co.uk> References: <43CE9AAA.1050007@walescomputers.co.uk> <20060118200605.71716ce0@localhost> <43CEB476.50608@walescomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <200601190041.35898.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! I like to use Rosegarden as a DSSI host, but the problem is that when I play with my external midi keyboard, the DSSI synths seems not to get the note-off message, or what else it's called. I mean, all the notes I pressed keep playing, until I stop them manually pressing the play button. Why is this happening? Is there a solution? By the way, I'd really like to see more DSSI-compliant plugins (ZynAddSub...), is so much easier than having to load each time 5 or 6 different software and connect them before being able to play something :) Thanks! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From cesare at poeticstudios.com Wed Jan 18 18:44:19 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Wed Jan 18 18:44:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? In-Reply-To: <43CEC371.9030206@tiscali.co.uk> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5114.4090305@expressmart.com> <20060117140823.GC8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5D2F.5010708@expressmart.com> <20060117165636.GA1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <43CD8D81.2070404@expressmart.com> <43CD3611.5030005@poeticstudios.com> <20060117232941.GB1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <43CEC371.9030206@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <43CED2D3.5040101@poeticstudios.com> guy wrote: > > > paul wisehart wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 07:23:13PM +0100, Cesare Marilungo wrote: >> >> >>> Have you counted me, already? :-) >>> c. >>> >>> Timothy Alan Gorman Salvatore Di Pietro >>> >>> Cesare Marilungo paul wisehart >>> >>> I use slackware 10.2. I miss Audioslack, I used to use the packages >>> (you could just use the repository address & download manually >>> without getting involved in slapt-get). Luke was really helpful if >>> you emailed him. I guess it is a lot of work keeping it all >>> current. Now I just "./configure && make && checkinstall --default" >>> the source code to build my packages. Works like a charm (at least >>> once you sort out the pkgconfig path). I am using the 2.6.14 kernel >>> with low latency enabled & am very happy with the results. In fact >>> with all the star wars jokes I'm suprised no one has said it - 'may >>> the source be with you' ;0) >>> >> Or... don't make packages, Luke. Use the source. :-) c. > Regards > Guy > > > > ___________________________________________________________ Win a > BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. > http://www.yahoo.co.uk/blackberry > > From carotinobg at yahoo.it Wed Jan 18 18:52:45 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Wed Jan 18 18:47:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden, DSSI and note-off In-Reply-To: <200601190041.35898.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <43CE9AAA.1050007@walescomputers.co.uk> <43CEB476.50608@walescomputers.co.uk> <200601190041.35898.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200601190052.45381.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Alle 00:41, gioved? 19 gennaio 2006, Carotinho ha scritto: > Hi! > I like to use Rosegarden as a DSSI host, but the problem is that when I > play with my external midi keyboard, the DSSI synths seems not to get the > note-off message, or what else it's called. I mean, all the notes I pressed > keep playing, until I stop them manually pressing the play button. > Why is this happening? Is there a solution? Ok, I answer to myself. I changed the timer in use from auto (it selected the PCM playback something) and now things work as they should. Of course, I don't know why, but that's another question:) Am I wrong, or Rosegarden tends to eat more CPU than MUSE? Sorry!:) Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From carotinobg at yahoo.it Wed Jan 18 19:16:39 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Wed Jan 18 19:12:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden, DSSI and note-off In-Reply-To: <200601190052.45381.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <43CE9AAA.1050007@walescomputers.co.uk> <200601190041.35898.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <200601190052.45381.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200601190116.39930.carotinobg@yahoo.it> > Am I wrong, or Rosegarden tends to eat more CPU than MUSE? Ok, I'll STOP!:) I found that using the RTC timer the cpu hunger diminishes. It looks like I am doing a psychanalistic therapy, speaking to myself:) Byez!:) Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: chiama da PC a telefono a tariffe esclusive http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From florin at andrei.myip.org Wed Jan 18 23:37:48 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Wed Jan 18 23:37:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Looking for Sound card recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <200601161348.08800.techlist@pathfinder.phys.utk.edu> Message-ID: <1137645468.2989.5.camel@scout.home.local> On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 10:12 +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > Second hand sblive. USD50 doesn't sound like a whole lot. Decent sound > is not going to happen from an sblive though. I've got one, and > compaired to my 60 euro griffin imic it's really, really horrible. I agree that SB sounded pretty bad up to a point, but after that it was ok. The transition must have happened around the Live series. I've an Audigy2 that sounds reasonably well. I also have a Live that I never listened to in good conditions (studio monitors, etc) but it sounds ok for casual listening. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From florin at andrei.myip.org Wed Jan 18 23:45:00 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Wed Jan 18 23:44:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Homemade music In-Reply-To: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> References: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> Message-ID: <1137645900.2989.10.camel@scout.home.local> On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 19:15 -0700, Steve D wrote: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/thorsten-wilms-and-steve-doonan_gnomes.ogg What a fun little song! I can't say anything about the technical aspects because I'm listening on my laptop's speakers. :-( > Best wishes all, and Thorsten, thank you for this enjoyable Internet > collaboration, although I have no idea if you will like what I have done > to your track. ;-) I can certainly see this kind of collaborative music becoming more popular. The Internet is ideal for this kind of things and the Free Software community has the right mindset for that. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Thu Jan 19 00:04:11 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Thu Jan 19 00:03:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Soundfont players Message-ID: <43CF1DCB.2040901@sillylovesongs.com> Greetings - my first post here... I've been tinkering with Linux for a few years and I just decided to jump in and set up Ardour. I have it working and am still figuring things out, but I have a question - what Linux apps do you guys use to play soundfonts (the only app I could find is FluidSynth, which I haven't tried yet). Also, I notice that this is a pretty technical list. If my question is too elementary for this list, please point me to a list that is more appropriate. Thanks. Ruben From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Wed Jan 18 18:45:54 2006 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Thu Jan 19 00:10:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden, DSSI and note-off In-Reply-To: <200601190041.35898.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <43CE9AAA.1050007@walescomputers.co.uk> <20060118200605.71716ce0@localhost> <43CEB476.50608@walescomputers.co.uk> <200601190041.35898.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <1137627954.8734.1.camel@c213-100-50-8.swipnet.se> On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 00:41 +0100, Carotinho wrote: > I like to use Rosegarden as a DSSI host, but the problem is that when I play > with my external midi keyboard, the DSSI synths seems not to get the note-off > message, or what else it's called. I mean, all the notes I pressed keep > playing, until I stop them manually pressing the play button. > Why is this happening? Is there a solution? Do you have the same problem if you play the same synth plugins in another host, like jack-dssi-host? -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060119/1cdabaae/attachment.bin From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Jan 19 00:13:43 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu Jan 19 00:13:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Homemade music In-Reply-To: <1137645900.2989.10.camel@scout.home.local> References: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> <1137645900.2989.10.camel@scout.home.local> Message-ID: <200601190013.43786.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 18 January 2006 23:45, Florin Andrei wrote: >On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 19:15 -0700, Steve D wrote: >> http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/thorsten-wilms-and-steve-doo >>nan_gnomes.ogg > >What a fun little song! I agree! >I can't say anything about the technical aspects because I'm listening >on my laptop's speakers. :-( Technically, to these ancient ears, pretty darned good. I saved a copy if thats alright with TPTB? >> Best wishes all, and Thorsten, thank you for this enjoyable Internet >> collaboration, although I have no idea if you will like what I have >> done to your track. ;-) > >I can certainly see this kind of collaborative music becoming more >popular. The Internet is ideal for this kind of things and the Free >Software community has the right mindset for that. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From mike.taht at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 00:22:01 2006 From: mike.taht at gmail.com (Mike Taht) Date: Thu Jan 19 00:22:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0601171740n3a2cb5admd7f53f2d095acbb9@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0601171740n3a2cb5admd7f53f2d095acbb9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <158277e20601182122x5fea972ax70b0bc0c52af0261@mail.gmail.com> Over the last 3 days I conducted the most intense test of Ingo's realtime patches I've conducted to date. Running 2.6.15-rt5 I have simultaneously running on a 1.8Ghz x86_64 Emachines laptop (1GB of memory), w 2displays enabled at 16 bit... kernel compiled for no kernel debugging except CONFIG_DEBUG_DEADLOCKS: Jackd (some version post .100) Linuxsampler (from cvs about 2 months ago) Rosegarden (also from cvs about 2 months ago) HDSP sound interface configured at 96khz/128 frames FC3 std apps: KDE Konqueror Mozilla Kopete About 30 ssh tabs in various shell windows mplayer playing directly from dvd to the laptop's sound card Rosegarden playing multiple fairly complex midi hour+ long files into linuxsampler with the Bardstown 96khz 24 bit piano. The HDSP audio card is configured for 96Khz 1.9 ms 128 frames... 480MB are out on swap as I write. Linuxsampler is pulling it's samples from an ext3 formatted firewire drive The dvd is coming from /dev/hdc. The dvd's sound is perfect, except when the window is moved, and it occasionally drops video frames under this workload. 92-100% of cpu is in use and has been in use for 8-16 hrs a day for the last 3 days 4 hrs. Linuxsampler's as perfect as it ever gets (I have some sections in this piece that exaust the available voices and my (older) version of linuxsampler doesn't quite do voice stealing right) Rosegarden's timing seems to be dead on, no matter what. About the only weirdnesses I have are: my typing (although perfectly interactive!) tends to make the frame rate on mplayer much more jumpy. Also, most of my USB devices disappeared early on, and won't come back. I doubt that's an RT related problem however. (If they were still here, I'd try a few more devices - at the moment I'm going for a workload that will crash the machine - with, so far, no luck) mplayer occasionally gets hung upon looping a few frames for a few seconds (no dvd access during that time), then continues. I don't normally run video apps (me: audio biggot), but I'll twiddle with some things on that after I post this mail... (boost /dev/hdc's irq? try a different dvd? maybe try it on a less loaded box would be a start. :)) scp performance is dismal - less than a MB/sec on a 100Mbit network (I have NO cpu left over, so this makes sense). Since most of my SCP's over over the internet, this doesn't bother me. Interactive (e.g. typing) performance is excellent. I have been hacking all day for days without really noticing (aside from the cacaphony!) that I have been running with a flatlined cpu. I do have problems under this workload with marking text for copy and paste with my touchpad. My guess on that one is that X could use a RT thread in this case for device input... The only tuning I did was to force jackd, rosegardensequencer, and the RME IRQ to be realtime (-65,-64,-66 prios respectively) Over these nearly 3 days of constant operation I've had about 41 xruns (as best as I can tell, related to major program startup (things like openoffice) and heavy swapping). The maximum scheduling latency was 31.177 msec. Finding out what caused it strikes me as an intensive exercise... and I don't think anyone in their right mind would run a workload like this. I'm going to keep it going for as long as I can... My hat's off to Ingo. I am delighted to see some of this code (mutexes/HRT) migrating into 2.6.16 mainline. -- Mike Taht PostCards From the Bleeding Edge http://the-edge.blogspot.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jan 19 00:26:35 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jan 19 00:26:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: <158277e20601182122x5fea972ax70b0bc0c52af0261@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0601171740n3a2cb5admd7f53f2d095acbb9@mail.gmail.com> <158277e20601182122x5fea972ax70b0bc0c52af0261@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1137648395.4736.14.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 21:22 -0800, Mike Taht wrote: > The maximum scheduling latency was 31.177 msec. Finding out > what caused it strikes me as an intensive exercise... and I don't > think anyone in their right mind would run a workload like this. It's actually not hard at all, and would be interesting to know. Just enable the latency tracing options in the kernel configuration, reset the tracer on boot with "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/preempt_max_latency", and post the contents of /proc/latency trace after generating some xruns. Lee From kevinc at doink.com Thu Jan 19 00:54:26 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Thu Jan 19 00:55:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Looking for Sound card recommendation In-Reply-To: <1137645468.2989.5.camel@scout.home.local> Message-ID: <20060119055428.A7F0E406F@joseph.doink.com> I like my Hoontech. It's got S/PDIF and sounds good. At the time it was about $50US. G'luck.... -- Kevin From swirlee at stickist.com Thu Jan 19 01:05:44 2006 From: swirlee at stickist.com (JP Mercury) Date: Thu Jan 19 01:05:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Music & A Sneak Peek @ Freewheeling 0.5.1 Message-ID: <20060119060056.M65958@stickist.com> Hey Guys n Gals, Here is -New music made the open-source way. -A sneak peek at what's to come in Freewheeling 0.5.1, an open-source live looper project. Please visit: http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net Cheers, -JP Mercury From plutek at infinity.net Thu Jan 19 01:18:13 2006 From: plutek at infinity.net (Peter Lutek) Date: Thu Jan 19 01:16:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Music & A Sneak Peek @ Freewheeling 0.5.1 In-Reply-To: <20060119060056.M65958@stickist.com> References: <20060119060056.M65958@stickist.com> Message-ID: <43CF2F25.9010804@infinity.net> JP Mercury wrote: >Hey Guys n Gals, > >Here is >-New music made the open-source way. >-A sneak peek at what's to come in Freewheeling 0.5.1, an open-source live >looper project. > >Please visit: >http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net > > nice work, jp! can't wait for the new version -- looks very exciting. -p From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jan 19 01:22:38 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jan 19 01:22:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: <158277e20601182122x5fea972ax70b0bc0c52af0261@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0601171740n3a2cb5admd7f53f2d095acbb9@mail.gmail.com> <158277e20601182122x5fea972ax70b0bc0c52af0261@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1137651759.4736.27.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 21:22 -0800, Mike Taht wrote: > > Running 2.6.15-rt5 I have simultaneously running on a 1.8Ghz x86_64 > Emachines laptop (1GB of memory), w 2displays enabled at 16 bit... > kernel compiled for no kernel debugging except CONFIG_DEBUG_DEADLOCKS: > That seems to be a pretty expensive debug option, you'd probably get much better performance with it off. Lee From mike.taht at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 01:45:17 2006 From: mike.taht at gmail.com (Mike Taht) Date: Thu Jan 19 01:45:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: <1137651759.4736.27.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0601171740n3a2cb5admd7f53f2d095acbb9@mail.gmail.com> <158277e20601182122x5fea972ax70b0bc0c52af0261@mail.gmail.com> <1137651759.4736.27.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <158277e20601182245w1e789469q53fe551973a45e8@mail.gmail.com> Lee: At the moment, the madwifi-ng drivers compiled for this machine oops out. It's not RT's fault - in fact the 2.6.15 non-rt kernel just hangs completely a few seconds into accessing the madwifi card. The machine survives a bit longer and prints out a reasonable error message when compiled for RT and CONFIG_DEBUG_DEADLOCKS. I have some hope now that the mutex code is in 2.6.16 that it will get easier to track down the problem with madwifi. I will try tracking down the latency issue as per your previous mail...after I convince this box to crash somehow... I tried to accenuate the positive in the last email (I am impressed as hell), I didn't mention that madwifi issue nor that the default X driver for this machine is pretty weak (and the proprietary ATI driver hasn't worked with RT in a long time - though I haven't tried it since .13)... those ain't issues to solve in this forum. But, while I was on the mplayer problem, I did make the RTC (IRQ 8) and DVD's (IRQ 15) IRQ be realtime, and the frame looping problem went away, the frame rate went up, and cpu usage pegged at 100% with it and rosegarden/linuxsampler running. I noticed a little bit of timing issue (purely subjective) with rosegarden, but not much. Without anything else running but mplayer, cpu use is at 85%. (The default X.org driver for this card is pretty sad! and this mplayer doesn't have things like SSE enabled for x86_64) ... and the system is still running. Jeeze, is there anything else I can throw at this to make if fall over and die? :) I'm going to leave rosegarden and mplayer looping overnight. On 1/18/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 21:22 -0800, Mike Taht wrote: > > > > Running 2.6.15-rt5 I have simultaneously running on a 1.8Ghz x86_64 > > Emachines laptop (1GB of memory), w 2displays enabled at 16 bit... > > kernel compiled for no kernel debugging except CONFIG_DEBUG_DEADLOCKS: > > > > That seems to be a pretty expensive debug option, you'd probably get > much better performance with it off. > > Lee > > -- Mike Taht PostCards From the Bleeding Edge http://the-edge.blogspot.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jan 19 01:51:39 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jan 19 01:51:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: <158277e20601182245w1e789469q53fe551973a45e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0601171740n3a2cb5admd7f53f2d095acbb9@mail.gmail.com> <158277e20601182122x5fea972ax70b0bc0c52af0261@mail.gmail.com> <1137651759.4736.27.camel@mindpipe> <158277e20601182245w1e789469q53fe551973a45e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1137653500.4736.30.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 22:45 -0800, Mike Taht wrote: > Lee: > > At the moment, the madwifi-ng drivers compiled for this machine oops > out. It's not RT's fault - in fact the 2.6.15 non-rt kernel just hangs > completely a few seconds into accessing the madwifi card. The machine > survives a bit longer and prints out a reasonable error message when > compiled for RT and CONFIG_DEBUG_DEADLOCKS. I have some hope now that > the mutex code is in 2.6.16 that it will get easier to track down the > problem with madwifi. Please, when posting a report like this, be sure to mention if you are using any proprietary kernel modules, otherwise it's impossible to interpret! Lee From mike.taht at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 02:05:54 2006 From: mike.taht at gmail.com (Mike Taht) Date: Thu Jan 19 02:05:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: <1137653500.4736.30.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0601171740n3a2cb5admd7f53f2d095acbb9@mail.gmail.com> <158277e20601182122x5fea972ax70b0bc0c52af0261@mail.gmail.com> <1137651759.4736.27.camel@mindpipe> <158277e20601182245w1e789469q53fe551973a45e8@mail.gmail.com> <1137653500.4736.30.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <158277e20601182305p576390c0k6d1b45fc793f5d0c@mail.gmail.com> I am not using any proprietary kernel modules at present, I was trying to say was that CONFIG_DEBUG_DEADLOCKS was an artifact of me trying to debug madwifi earlier in the 2.6.15 release cycle. (I guess I got onboard this release on 2.6.15-rt2) The module is certainly not inserted now. After I get this kernel to crash some different way, or after another day of surviving the abuse I've been throwing at it, I will rebuild without CONFIG_DEBUG_DEADLOCKS and with latency tracing enabled. From a device and driver coverage standpoint I've exercised everything I can think of, all that remains is how long can it hold up... I've only had one RT kernel work this good, ever... I will take up the madwifi issue on the appropriate forum when I have time to return to it. (and I figure someone else will have solved it by then) On 1/18/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 22:45 -0800, Mike Taht wrote: > > Lee: > > > > At the moment, the madwifi-ng drivers compiled for this machine oops > > out. It's not RT's fault - in fact the 2.6.15 non-rt kernel just hangs > > completely a few seconds into accessing the madwifi card. The machine > > survives a bit longer and prints out a reasonable error message when > > compiled for RT and CONFIG_DEBUG_DEADLOCKS. I have some hope now that > > the mutex code is in 2.6.16 that it will get easier to track down the > > problem with madwifi. > > Please, when posting a report like this, be sure to mention if you are > using any proprietary kernel modules, otherwise it's impossible to > interpret! > > Lee > > -- Mike Taht PostCards From the Bleeding Edge http://the-edge.blogspot.com From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 03:11:28 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Jan 19 03:11:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi through in 2.6 In-Reply-To: <43CEC85C.6020701@woh.rr.com> References: <43CEBFA9.9090402@gmail.com> <43CEC85C.6020701@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <43CF49B0.4090706@gmail.com> Dave Phillips wrote: > modprobe snd-seq-dummy Ah. What a stupid name for a useful module.... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From clemens at ladisch.de Thu Jan 19 03:48:35 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu Jan 19 03:49:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] virmidi and 2.6.14 (Demudi) In-Reply-To: <43CE6CD2.5010605@woh.rr.com> References: <43CD03B6.7070405@woh.rr.com> <1137518888.43cd2928da794@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD32D1.9000306@woh.rr.com> <1137521676.43cd340cd2923@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD42A6.4060506@woh.rr.com> <1137573834.43cdffcace003@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE47B9.9010205@woh.rr.com> <1137598937.43ce61d930e75@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE6CD2.5010605@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1137660515.43cf5263632e7@webmail.uni-halle.de> Dave Phillips wrote: > Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > >The virtual MIDI ports convert between old programs using /dev/midi* > >and new programs using ALSA sequencer ports. They do not connect > >ALSA sequencer programs together; use the through ports for this. > > I'm not sure I understand that. I've been connecting ALSA sequencer > clients with the virmidi ports for years. I can send a screenshot of my > MIDI connections in QJackCtl, with virmidi ports connected to QSynth, > Jack Rack, the Emu10k1 synth, etc. But I may misunderstand what you're > telling me. A virmidi port has two ends: a rawmidi port and a sequencer port. Anything written to the rawmidi device will be sent to all ports connnected to the sequencer port, but cannot be read back from /dev/midi?. Any messages arriving at the sequencer port can be read from the rawmidi device, but are not sent to any other sequencer port. > >I think you can achieve what you want by connecting a virmidi port and a > >through port together. > > Been there, tried that, got no joy. :( What are you actually trying to do? >From where to where to you want MIDI messages to be routed? Regards, Clemens From tito at rumford.de Thu Jan 19 04:16:19 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Thu Jan 19 04:15:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: <158277e20601182122x5fea972ax70b0bc0c52af0261@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0601171740n3a2cb5admd7f53f2d095acbb9@mail.gmail.com> <158277e20601182122x5fea972ax70b0bc0c52af0261@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200601191016.20040.tito@rumford.de> Mike Taht : > Over these nearly 3 days of constant operation I've had > about 41 xruns (as best as I can tell, related to major > program startup (things like openoffice) and heavy > swapping). The maximum scheduling latency was 31.177 msec. Have you tried cdparanoia / cdrecord as workload? From mockingbird at ihug.co.nz Thu Jan 19 04:29:35 2006 From: mockingbird at ihug.co.nz (Chris Bannister) Date: Thu Jan 19 04:29:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music made with Linux In-Reply-To: <20060114153242.GA6783@charly.SWORD> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060114153242.GA6783@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060119092934.GE3614@kan> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 04:32:42PM +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > --- > Thorsten Wilms > I noticed your sig did not render correctly in my mailer. The delimiter for a sig should be -- not --- -- Chris. ====== Reproduction if desired may be handled locally. -- rfc3 From tito at rumford.de Thu Jan 19 04:30:56 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Thu Jan 19 04:31:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Homemade music In-Reply-To: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> References: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> Message-ID: <200601191030.35737.tito@rumford.de> Steve D : > More homemade music-- > > Some days ago Thorsten Wilms sent me a great percussion > track called Gnomes. I have added melodic and harmonic > elements to it and the result can be found here: > > OGG format: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/thorsten-wilms-and- >steve-doonan_gnomes.ogg Mr. Wilms, Mr. Doonan, thanks for this most distinguished sexy track. The percussion is so nice and funny and I just love the keyboard glissandi up-down-up and the down-up-down too and the awesome e-piano showdown from 1:48. Hey: I thought slap bass sounds were illegal since the 90's! :) Wolfgang From m_nels at gmx.net Thu Jan 19 04:38:20 2006 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Thu Jan 19 04:37:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Soundfont players In-Reply-To: <43CF1DCB.2040901@sillylovesongs.com> References: <43CF1DCB.2040901@sillylovesongs.com> Message-ID: <43CF5E0C.2040004@gmx.net> Ruben Lopez wrote: > I've been tinkering with Linux for a few years and I just decided to > jump in and set up Ardour. I have it working and am still figuring > things out, but I have a question - what Linux apps do you guys use to > play soundfonts (the only app I could find is FluidSynth, which I > haven't tried yet). I use fluidsynth, controlled by Rosegarden. I would be interested to know of a recommendation for a more lightweight MIDI sequencer - perhaps one that I will be able to syncronise with Ardour? The only problem I have with using fluidsynth is that the better soundfonts tend to use a lot of memory - but I don't think that is the fault of the software, just the nature of the problem. Another useful program is qsynth, which provides a graphical interface to fluidsynth. They are both included in PlanetCCRMA's packages. Regards Michael From dubphil at free.fr Thu Jan 19 04:54:17 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Thu Jan 19 04:55:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Freewheeling-user] New Music & A Sneak Peek @ Freewheeling 0.5.1 In-Reply-To: <20060119060056.M65958@stickist.com> References: <20060119060056.M65958@stickist.com> Message-ID: <19225.80.124.137.201.1137664457.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> > -New music made the open-source way. > -A sneak peek at what's to come in Freewheeling 0.5.1, an open-source live > looper project. Hey JP ! Happy to get news from you, I'm about to achieve synchronizing my TB303 with my Linux setup, what about fw for the next release 5.2 or 6.0 ? Thanks a lot ! Philippe From groups at xscd.com Thu Jan 19 05:11:02 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Thu Jan 19 05:11:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Homemade music In-Reply-To: <200601191030.35737.tito@rumford.de> References: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> <200601191030.35737.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <20060119101102.GF3890@xscd.com> On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 10:30:56AM +0100, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > Steve D : > > More homemade music-- > > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/thorsten-wilms-and-steve-doonan_gnomes.ogg > > Mr. Wilms, Mr. Doonan, thanks for this most distinguished sexy > track. The percussion is so nice and funny and I just love > the keyboard glissandi up-down-up and the down-up-down too > and the awesome e-piano showdown from 1:48. Hey: I thought > slap bass sounds were illegal since the 90's! :) Hey, I *like* slap bass! ;-) Thank you very much for your compliments, Wolfgang. -sd -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one. -Charles Mackay ---------------------------------------------------------------- From bengan at sunet.se Thu Jan 19 05:24:17 2006 From: bengan at sunet.se (Bengt =?iso-8859-1?B?R/ZyZOlu?=) Date: Thu Jan 19 05:23:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Soundfont players In-Reply-To: <43CF1DCB.2040901@sillylovesongs.com> References: <43CF1DCB.2040901@sillylovesongs.com> Message-ID: <20060119102417.GD9768@sunet.se> On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 09:04:11PM -0800, Ruben Lopez wrote: > Greetings - my first post here... Welcome. > I've been tinkering with Linux for a few years and I just decided to > jump in and set up Ardour. I have it working and am still figuring > things out, but I have a question - what Linux apps do you guys use to > play soundfonts (the only app I could find is FluidSynth, which I > haven't tried yet). timidity is another one. Not really sure how the status is on that one. > Also, I notice that this is a pretty technical list. If my question is > too elementary for this list, please point me to a list that is more > appropriate. Thanks. Just so that you don't get this wrong. This exactly the kind of question that should go here. I'm not sure how others see it but from my point of view everyone have been new to linux audio and in need of advice. I'm an old Linux/BSD/Unix user but fairly new LAU (3 years now) and still need to sort out some of the more intricate linux audio things. regards, - Bengan ------------------------------------------------------------- From ivalladt at punkass.com Thu Jan 19 06:41:51 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Jan 19 06:42:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] virmidi and 2.6.14 (Demudi) In-Reply-To: <1137660515.43cf5263632e7@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <43CD03B6.7070405@woh.rr.com> <1137518888.43cd2928da794@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD32D1.9000306@woh.rr.com> <1137521676.43cd340cd2923@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD42A6.4060506@woh.rr.com> <1137573834.43cdffcace003@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE47B9.9010205@woh.rr.com> <1137598937.43ce61d930e75@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE6CD2.5010605@woh.rr.com> <1137660515.43cf5263632e7@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <20060119114151.GK1596@spma33> Clemens Ladisch escribe: > A virmidi port has two ends: a rawmidi port and a sequencer port. > Anything written to the rawmidi device will be sent to all ports connnected > to the sequencer port, but cannot be read back from /dev/midi?. > Any messages arriving at the sequencer port can be read from the rawmidi > device, but are not sent to any other sequencer port. Does this mean that a virmidi port just serves for sending copies of MIDI data to different sequencers/sound generators? Can I use vkeybd or a MIDI keyboard connected to the MIDI in of a MIDI interface to play a virtual synthesizer without using virmidi? Thanks for any comments. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One is to use the midid daemon, but I've had latency issues with it so I prefer the second method, which is to create a link between ~/.dosemu/run/dosemu-midi and /dev/snd/CxDx. Yes, I could route it to /dev/midi directly on my desktop machine because it has a hardware MIDI port, but my laptop has no MIDI hardware. Thus, if I want to run dosemu MIDI apps on the laptop I need the virmidi module. The situation is nearly identical with Xsteem, I need the virmidi module for running Xsteem on my laptop. As I said before, if these applications abided by ALSA standards I might be able to designate MIDI ports with the hw:x,x syntax. Alas, they don't, and I can't. Best, dp From jri at broadpark.no Thu Jan 19 07:01:26 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Thu Jan 19 07:00:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Soundfont players In-Reply-To: <43CF5E0C.2040004@gmx.net> References: <43CF1DCB.2040901@sillylovesongs.com> <43CF5E0C.2040004@gmx.net> Message-ID: <43CF7F96.4040400@broadpark.no> Michael T D Nelson wrote: > I would be interested to know of a recommendation for a more lightweight > MIDI sequencer - perhaps one that I will be able to syncronise with Ardour? Newest version of seq24, 0.7.0, works beautifully with jack and ardour. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.1go.dk/ From errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk Thu Jan 19 07:01:56 2006 From: errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk (Martin Habets) Date: Thu Jan 19 07:03:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] timer resolution In-Reply-To: <200601181832.47419.ws@seh.de> References: <20051214221643.63430.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> <200601181650.03256.ws@seh.de> <43CE6FBA.7060905@branwelt.de> <200601181832.47419.ws@seh.de> Message-ID: <20060119120155.GA12414@palantir8> On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 06:32:47PM +0100, Werner Schweer wrote: > your "cat /proc/driver/rtc" gives > ... > update_IRQ : no > periodic_IRQ : no > > my configuration says: > > periodic_IRQ : yes Only the real RTC driver supports this, the generic RTC driver does not. Check in you kernel config that CONFIG_RTC is set and CONFIG_GEN_RTC is not. I have an old patch somewhere that adds these features to the generic rtc driver. Let me know if you need that. -- Martin From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Jan 19 07:27:02 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Jan 19 07:04:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Soundfont players In-Reply-To: <43CF1DCB.2040901@sillylovesongs.com> References: <43CF1DCB.2040901@sillylovesongs.com> Message-ID: <43CF8596.5000301@woh.rr.com> Ruben Lopez wrote: > I've been tinkering with Linux for a few years and I just decided to > jump in and set up Ardour. I have it working and am still figuring > things out, but I have a question - what Linux apps do you guys use to > play soundfonts (the only app I could find is FluidSynth, which I > haven't tried yet). I use fluidsynth via the QSynth GUI. I also use TiMidity configured as a soundfont server: timidity -iA -B2,8 -c /home/dlphilp/timidity.cfg -Os -EFreverb=0 -Efchorus=0 & -iA Sets up the program to act as an ALSA sequencer client. In this case it acts as a softsynth available to any program connected to it via the ALSA aconnect utility or one of its GUIs. -B2,8 Sets the audio buffer fragment size -Os Indicates WAV-format output -EFreverb=0 Turns off the reverb effect (saves CPU cycles) -EFchorus=0 Turns off the chorus effect My timidity.cfg file includes only one line: soundfont /home/dlphilp/soundfonts/8mbgmsfx.sf2 QSynth is easier to use, but TiMidity runs nicer in a light-weight system like my aging laptop. > Also, I notice that this is a pretty technical list. If my question is > too elementary for this list, please point me to a list that is more > appropriate. Thanks. You've come to the right place. Please don't hesitate to say if a response is too technical. Not all of us here have propellors growing out of our heads, but some do. ;-) Best regards, Dave Phillips From chris.cannam at ferventsoftware.com Thu Jan 19 07:23:49 2006 From: chris.cannam at ferventsoftware.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Thu Jan 19 07:23:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] timer resolution In-Reply-To: <200601181650.03256.ws@seh.de> References: <20051214221643.63430.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> <43CE47E0.4010900@branwelt.de> <200601181650.03256.ws@seh.de> Message-ID: <200601191223.49271.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> On Wednesday 18 January 2006 14:51, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: > When starting rosegarden (cvs), I get the message "System timer > resolution to low". You need the kernel timer frequency (CONFIG_HZ) set to 1000. Chris From clemens at ladisch.de Thu Jan 19 07:38:26 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu Jan 19 07:40:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] virmidi and 2.6.14 (Demudi) In-Reply-To: <20060119114151.GK1596@spma33> References: <43CD03B6.7070405@woh.rr.com> <1137518888.43cd2928da794@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD32D1.9000306@woh.rr.com> <1137521676.43cd340cd2923@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD42A6.4060506@woh.rr.com> <1137573834.43cdffcace003@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE47B9.9010205@woh.rr.com> <1137598937.43ce61d930e75@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE6CD2.5010605@woh.rr.com> <1137660515.43cf5263632e7@webmail.uni-halle.de> <20060119114151.GK1596@spma33> Message-ID: <1137674306.43cf8842e16ee@webmail.uni-halle.de> Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Clemens Ladisch escribe: > > A virmidi port has two ends: a rawmidi port and a sequencer port. > > Anything written to the rawmidi device will be sent to all ports connnected > > to the sequencer port, but cannot be read back from /dev/midi?. > > Any messages arriving at the sequencer port can be read from the rawmidi > > device, but are not sent to any other sequencer port. > > Does this mean that a virmidi port just serves for sending copies of > MIDI data to different sequencers/sound generators? The purpose of the snd-virmidi module is to serve as a bridge between old programs that understand only /dev/midi* and new program that use the ALSA sequencer API. > Can I use vkeybd or a MIDI keyboard connected to the MIDI in of a MIDI > interface to play a virtual synthesizer without using virmidi? Yes; vkeybd, the MIDI in, and the virtual synthesizer all use ALSA sequencer ports. HTH Clemens From clemens at ladisch.de Thu Jan 19 07:49:57 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu Jan 19 07:50:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] virmidi and 2.6.14 (Demudi) In-Reply-To: <43CF83CB.9000009@woh.rr.com> References: <43CD03B6.7070405@woh.rr.com> <1137518888.43cd2928da794@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD32D1.9000306@woh.rr.com> <1137521676.43cd340cd2923@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD42A6.4060506@woh.rr.com> <1137573834.43cdffcace003@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE47B9.9010205@woh.rr.com> <1137598937.43ce61d930e75@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE6CD2.5010605@woh.rr.com> <1137660515.43cf5263632e7@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CF83CB.9000009@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1137674997.43cf8af527182@webmail.uni-halle.de> Dave Phillips wrote: > Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > >What are you actually trying to do? > >From where to where to you want MIDI messages to be routed? > > Dosemu [...] Case 1: sending from Dosemu to an ALSA program: - tell Dosemu to write to /dev/midi02; - run "aseqdump" (or any other program); - run "aconnect 80:0 aseqdump"; - data sent by a DOS program will be received by aseqdump. Case 2: sending from an ALSA program to Dosemu: - tell Dosemu to read from /dev/midi02; - run "aplaymidi -p 80:0 something.mid", or "aconnect 72:0 80:0" to route your external keyboard to Dosemu. Do these work? Regards, Clemens From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Jan 19 07:56:31 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Jan 19 07:56:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Soundfont players In-Reply-To: <43CF8596.5000301@woh.rr.com> References: <43CF1DCB.2040901@sillylovesongs.com> <43CF8596.5000301@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200601191256.32151.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 19 January 2006 12:27, Dave Phillips was like: > You've come to the right place. Please don't hesitate to say if a > response is too technical. Not all of us here have propellors growing > out of our heads, but some do. ;-) 8<;)> -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Jan 19 08:10:09 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Jan 19 08:10:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Soundfont players In-Reply-To: <43CF7F96.4040400@broadpark.no> References: <43CF1DCB.2040901@sillylovesongs.com> <43CF5E0C.2040004@gmx.net> <43CF7F96.4040400@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <43CF8FB1.9010403@poeticstudios.com> Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > Michael T D Nelson wrote: > >> I would be interested to know of a recommendation for a more >> lightweight MIDI sequencer - perhaps one that I will be able to >> syncronise with Ardour? > > > Newest version of seq24, 0.7.0, works beautifully with jack and ardour. > I've tried seq24 for this purpose but it is a bit limited if your music is not based on loops (If for example I want to use it to record and edit an improvisation on the piano). Muse can be invoked with the -a flag to start it without the audio functionalities but in this way it doesn't sync to jack anymore. I'm still looking for a better and lightweight solution for MIDI only sequencing. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From timg at expressmart.com Thu Jan 19 15:19:50 2006 From: timg at expressmart.com (Timothy Alan Gorman) Date: Thu Jan 19 08:16:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? In-Reply-To: <43CED2D3.5040101@poeticstudios.com> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5114.4090305@expressmart.com> <20060117140823.GC8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5D2F.5010708@expressmart.com> <20060117165636.GA1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <43CD8D81.2070404@expressmart.com> <43CD3611.5030005@poeticstudios.com> <20060117232941.GB1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <43CEC371.9030206@tiscali.co.uk> <43CED2D3.5040101@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <43CFF466.4090300@expressmart.com> I like this below one the best ;) > Or... don't make packages, Luke. Use the source. :-) > 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack, now there's 63,005 bugs in the code!! From m_nels at gmx.net Thu Jan 19 08:21:24 2006 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Thu Jan 19 08:20:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] MIDI sequencers (slight thread hi-jack, sorry) In-Reply-To: <43CF8FB1.9010403@poeticstudios.com> References: <43CF1DCB.2040901@sillylovesongs.com> <43CF5E0C.2040004@gmx.net> <43CF7F96.4040400@broadpark.no> <43CF8FB1.9010403@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <43CF9254.5030305@gmx.net> Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > >> Michael T D Nelson wrote: >> >>> I would be interested to know of a recommendation for a more >>> lightweight MIDI sequencer - perhaps one that I will be able to >>> syncronise (sic) with Ardour? >> >> Newest version of seq24, 0.7.0, works beautifully with jack and ardour. >> Thanks for the tip, Johannes - I have looked at seq24 before, but only briefly. I'll look again. > I've tried seq24 for this purpose but it is a bit limited if your music > is not based on loops Thanks Cesare, good point. Well, some of my stuff is looped, and some isn't. I'm thinking of using seq24 & qsynth as a substitute for hydrogen in this case, so it might just be right for me. > I'm still looking for a better and lightweight solution for MIDI only > sequencing. > That would be nice, wouldn't it? I'd like something with the ability to write conventional notation, and MIDI sequencing, synchronisation but not too much more. Regards Michael From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Jan 19 09:44:31 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Jan 19 09:44:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Homemade music In-Reply-To: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> References: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> Message-ID: <20060119144431.GA9122@charly.SWORD> On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 07:15:56PM -0700, Steve D wrote: > OGG format: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/thorsten-wilms-and-steve-doonan_gnomes.ogg > > MP3 format: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/thorsten-wilms-and-steve-doonan_gnomes.mp3 So I listened to it on my brother's pc with bad speakers due to my alsa breakage ... brought a smile to my face right away. It's quite sweet, more so than I would have dared to make it, but I like it very much :D It's very fluid, airy, joyful. At places I would have liked a more strict rhythmical alignment, but perhaps that would have been harmful (and hard to do). The part after the break, about 1:15 is especialy nice. You picked up the build-up /roll before the break to silence very well, respect! I think the flute gets a bit in the way of the fade out, but i'm nitpicking now. It's great. Don't listen to a glass half empty person too much ;) Steve, I would love to see this added to ccmixter.org. Best with your parts also in separate files added to the mix (additional files can be 'associated' with an upload afterwards). All the empty 'I sampled this' fields on my page there look so sad ;) If you can't be bothered to create an account there, i could pick up your files as you make them avalibale and put them there myself, giving you all due credit, of course. But I will respect it, should you not want that at all without bad feelings. http://ccmixter.org/media/files/thorwil/3566 It would generaly be cool, to see more free/open music made with free/open tools up there. > Best wishes all, and Thorsten, thank you for this enjoyable Internet > collaboration, although I have no idea if you will like what I have done > to your track. ;-) Hey, I thank you, Steve, for taking one part and delivering back a most enjoyable whole :) Best, Thorsten W From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Jan 19 09:48:42 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Jan 19 09:48:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Homemade music In-Reply-To: <200601190013.43786.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> <1137645900.2989.10.camel@scout.home.local> <200601190013.43786.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20060119144842.GB9122@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 12:13:43AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 18 January 2006 23:45, Florin Andrei wrote: > >What a fun little song! > > I agree! > > >I can't say anything about the technical aspects because I'm listening > >on my laptop's speakers. :-( > > Technically, to these ancient ears, pretty darned good. I saved a copy > if thats alright with TPTB? Thanks Folderol, Florin, Gene :) It is: CreativeCommons Attribution Share-Alike: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ Cheers, Thorsten Wilms From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Jan 19 09:53:28 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Jan 19 09:53:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Homemade music In-Reply-To: <200601191030.35737.tito@rumford.de> References: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> <200601191030.35737.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <20060119145328.GC9122@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 10:30:56AM +0100, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > Mr. Wilms, Mr. Doonan, thanks for this most distinguished sexy > track. The percussion is so nice and funny and I just love > the keyboard glissandi up-down-up and the down-up-down too > and the awesome e-piano showdown from 1:48. Hey: I thought > slap bass sounds were illegal since the 90's! :) /me prints out 'most distinguished sexy track' Many thanks for the compliments :) Best, Mr. Wilms From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Jan 19 10:30:04 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Jan 19 10:07:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? In-Reply-To: <43CFF466.4090300@expressmart.com> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <20060116213344.GB8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5114.4090305@expressmart.com> <20060117140823.GC8772@phlunky.Belkin> <43CD5D2F.5010708@expressmart.com> <20060117165636.GA1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <43CD8D81.2070404@expressmart.com> <43CD3611.5030005@poeticstudios.com> <20060117232941.GB1875@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <43CEC371.9030206@tiscali.co.uk> <43CED2D3.5040101@poeticstudios.com> <43CFF466.4090300@expressmart.com> Message-ID: <43CFB07C.8070206@woh.rr.com> Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: > I like this below one the best ;) > >> Or... don't make packages, Luke. Use the source. :-) >> > 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, > ya get 1 whacked with a service pack, > now there's 63,005 bugs in the code!! > > LOL! Of course, one needs to know the tune to get the joke... From groups at xscd.com Thu Jan 19 10:52:54 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Thu Jan 19 10:53:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Homemade music In-Reply-To: <20060119144431.GA9122@charly.SWORD> References: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> <20060119144431.GA9122@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060119155254.GE3895@xscd.com> On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 03:44:31PM +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 07:15:56PM -0700, Steve D wrote: > > > OGG format: > > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/thorsten-wilms-and-steve-doonan_gnomes.ogg > > > > MP3 format: > > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/thorsten-wilms-and-steve-doonan_gnomes.mp3 > > > So I listened to it on my brother's pc with bad speakers due to my alsa breakage ... > brought a smile to my face right away. It's quite sweet, more so than I would > have dared to make it, but I like it very much :D Well, I think that anything I do is bound to be stamped with my character. One of the things I have enjoyed about working with your percussion tracks is the difference in style and feel between your creative technique and my own. Perhaps because they are disparate, they each add something to the other, making a richer whole. (Or, maybe that's too philosophical.) ;-) > It's very fluid, airy, joyful. At places I would have liked a more strict rhythmical > alignment, but perhaps that would have been harmful (and hard to do). --Hard to do. Your track has so many small quirks to it (which I like), that to design some other musical elements to accompany it precisely would require a much greater amount of thought and time (and I do have other things I need to do). ;-) So, after importing your track into Ardour, I changed the tempo Ardour associates with the piece until it more or less precisely matched most of the main rhythmic ques in your track. Then, instead of listening *too* closely to all the minor variances, I composed the additional tracks as though there were a strict metronomic beat (which there was, at the most macro level). The small rhythmic quirks then became spice, interesting details to the overall composition. That's how I approached it. > The part after the break, about 1:15 is especialy nice. You picked up the build-up > /roll before the break to silence very well, respect! > I think the flute gets a bit in the way of the fade out, but i'm nitpicking now. I did that (re: the flute) because your percussion track ended just about a quarter measure sooner than the rest of the composition, so I had to do *something* to distract from the fact that the percussion track had already stopped. ;-) > It's great. Don't listen to a glass half empty person too much ;) The problem, as I see it, with being too critical of oneself or of one's creative products, is that if taken to extremes (and critical people seem to often become "perfectionists"), eventually *nothing* is good enough: everything is seen to have a flaw, and the flaws are viewed ever more closely, and magnified in the mind of the critical person, until they become for all practical purposes "fatal flaws," which make the entire piece or project or track not "worthy" enough. One then discards the flawed material and sometimes gives up in frustration, because it is so hard to make something that is "perfect." I personally believe that there is no such thing as perfect. Instead, I think that there is only the external realization of an internal creative idea/ideal, and the closer we can come to making the external version like the one we create inside, the better generally the creation will be. > > Steve, I would love to see this added to ccmixter.org. Best with your parts also > in separate files added to the mix (additional files can be 'associated' with an > upload afterwards). I'll check out ccmixter.org Regarding the individual tracks I recorded, some of them are very brief (only a few seconds long). There are quite a few tracks, for a piece that is so "airy." ;-) > Hey, I thank you, Steve, for taking one part and delivering back a most enjoyable > whole :) Thank you Thorsten. By the way, what kind of musical elements were you thinking of to accompany that track. If you give me an idea, I may be able to make an alternate composition using the same percussion track. Thank you everyone for your comments about this collaborative composition. best wishes, Steve D New Mexico, US -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- --From a church newsletter-- Miss Charlene Mason sang "I will not pass this way again," giving obvious pleasure to the congregation. ---------------------------------------------------------------- From m_nels at gmx.net Thu Jan 19 12:19:37 2006 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Thu Jan 19 12:19:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Homemade music In-Reply-To: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> References: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> Message-ID: <43CFCA29.7060408@gmx.net> Steve D wrote: > More homemade music-- > > Some days ago Thorsten Wilms sent me a great percussion track called > Gnomes. I have added melodic and harmonic elements to it and the result > can be found here: > > OGG format: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/thorsten-wilms-and-steve-doonan_gnomes.ogg > > MP3 format: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/thorsten-wilms-and-steve-doonan_gnomes.mp3 > > I did not edit Thorsten's track at all. I just decoded it into .wav > format using oggdec, then imported the .wav into Ardour and began adding > tracks. I used Jamin to make the mixdown track, exported it from Ardour, > then encoded the exported .wav into ogg (with oggenc) and mp3 (with > lame). > > Criticisms (of the melodic/harmonic elements) is welcome. I have a > pretty bad case of flu right now so my ears aren't as good as they > should be. ;-) > That's really cool. I'll try to give it a more constructive listen later, I'm a bit too tired right now. Suffice it to say that my cats like it enough to come and sit in right in front of my speakers, messing my stereo imaging up completely! Regards Michael From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jan 19 12:40:53 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jan 19 12:40:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: <200601191016.20040.tito@rumford.de> References: <5bdc1c8b0601171740n3a2cb5admd7f53f2d095acbb9@mail.gmail.com> <158277e20601182122x5fea972ax70b0bc0c52af0261@mail.gmail.com> <200601191016.20040.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <1137692453.4736.46.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 10:16 +0100, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > Mike Taht : > > > Over these nearly 3 days of constant operation I've had > > about 41 xruns (as best as I can tell, related to major > > program startup (things like openoffice) and heavy > > swapping). The maximum scheduling latency was 31.177 msec. > > Have you tried cdparanoia / cdrecord as workload? > > What would be the point of that? cdrecord runs at the maximum RT priority so of course it will cause xruns, it's the expected behavior. Lee From njcross at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 19 13:42:17 2006 From: njcross at sbcglobal.net (njcross@sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu Jan 19 13:21:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Looking for Sound card recommendation In-Reply-To: <20060119052210.96C842769F6@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060119052210.96C842769F6@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200601191042.17376.njcross@sbcglobal.net> Just wondering if anyone has got the 'Audigy2 ZS' pcmcia card working with Linux yet. Have Creative released the card spec? On Wednesday 18 January 2006 09:22 pm, Florin Andrei wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:37:48 -0800 > From: Florin Andrei > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: Looking for Sound card > ????????recommendation > To: A list for linux audio users > Message-ID: <1137645468.2989.5.camel@scout.home.local> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 10:12 +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > Second hand sblive. USD50 doesn't sound like a whole lot. Decent sound > > is not going to happen from an sblive though. I've got one, and > > compaired to my 60 euro griffin imic it's really, really horrible. > > I agree that SB sounded pretty bad up to a point, but after that it was > ok. The transition must have happened around the Live series. > > I've an Audigy2 that sounds reasonably well. I also have a Live that I > never listened to in good conditions (studio monitors, etc) but it > sounds ok for casual listening. > > -- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jan 19 13:28:02 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jan 19 13:28:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Looking for Sound card recommendation In-Reply-To: <200601191042.17376.njcross@sbcglobal.net> References: <20060119052210.96C842769F6@music.columbia.edu> <200601191042.17376.njcross@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1137695282.32195.4.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 10:42 -0800, njcross@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Just wondering if anyone has got the 'Audigy2 ZS' pcmcia card working with > Linux yet. Have Creative released the card spec? Yes, some people report it partially works with the latest ALSA version. But no, Creative has not and will not release the spec - the partial support was reverse engineered. Lee From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Jan 19 13:56:20 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Jan 19 13:56:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Homemade music In-Reply-To: <20060119155254.GE3895@xscd.com> References: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> <20060119144431.GA9122@charly.SWORD> <20060119155254.GE3895@xscd.com> Message-ID: <20060119185620.GD9122@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 08:52:54AM -0700, Steve D wrote: > > > > So I listened to it on my brother's pc with bad speakers due to my alsa breakage ... > > brought a smile to my face right away. It's quite sweet, more so than I would > > have dared to make it, but I like it very much :D > > Well, I think that anything I do is bound to be stamped with my > character. One of the things I have enjoyed about working with your > percussion tracks is the difference in style and feel between your > creative technique and my own. Perhaps because they are disparate, they > each add something to the other, making a richer whole. (Or, maybe > that's too philosophical.) ;-) Hehe, that's the whole reason I offered 'This and That' to you back then: your obviously high skills and quite different musical background I anticipated a good kind of tension. Same here, and it works out nicely. Always a surprise, though, and that's the context to see my remark in ;) > > It's very fluid, airy, joyful. At places I would have liked a more strict rhythmical > > alignment, but perhaps that would have been harmful (and hard to do). > > --Hard to do. Your track has so many small quirks to it (which I like), > that to design some other musical elements to accompany it precisely > would require a much greater amount of thought and time (and I do have > other things I need to do). ;-) So, after importing your track into > Ardour, I changed the tempo Ardour associates with the piece until it > more or less precisely matched most of the main rhythmic ques in your > track. Then, instead of listening *too* closely to all the minor > variances, I composed the additional tracks as though there were a > strict metronomic beat (which there was, at the most macro level). The > small rhythmic quirks then became spice, interesting details to the > overall composition. That's how I approached it. A valid approach, no doubt. 122 BPM, btw ;) Would have had a hard time to create something to this percussion myself (and I don't feel like it doing it, other things promise to be more rewarding) > > The part after the break, about 1:15 is especialy nice. You picked up the build-up > > /roll before the break to silence very well, respect! > > I think the flute gets a bit in the way of the fade out, but i'm nitpicking now. > > I did that (re: the flute) because your percussion track ended just > about a quarter measure sooner than the rest of the composition, so I > had to do *something* to distract from the fact that the percussion > track had already stopped. ;-) You succeeded in distracting me, then :) > > It's great. Don't listen to a glass half empty person too much ;) > > The problem, as I see it, with being too critical of oneself or of one's > creative products, is that if taken to extremes (and critical people > seem to often become "perfectionists"), eventually *nothing* is good > enough: everything is seen to have a flaw, and the flaws are viewed ever > more closely, and magnified in the mind of the critical person, until > they become for all practical purposes "fatal flaws," which make the > entire piece or project or track not "worthy" enough. One then discards > the flawed material and sometimes gives up in frustration, because it is > so hard to make something that is "perfect." I have that problem with my drawings. Especialy as teenager I started to hate older drawings of mine, because the flaws became more clear with time (and I concentrated on them). But it was part of the learning process, and doesn't happen with such intensity anymore, since I reached some kind of plateau. I still like to listen to even very old music of my own, so it's different here. Looking closely at someones work is a matter of curisity and respect for me and I like to communicate what I see. That means risking to hurts someones feelings at times. But as an Artist I like constructive criticism or just some decriptive terms giving insight into someone elses perception, so I get more out of it. I try to act accordingly. > I personally believe that there is no such thing as perfect. Instead, I > think that there is only the external realization of an internal > creative idea/ideal, and the closer we can come to making the external > version like the one we create inside, the better generally the creation > will be. I would agree. If only I ever had a very clear internal idea and not so much random influence. Stuff just happens! Then again, I started with blind experimentation and now I often have a general direction, even some vague ideas, properties rhythm, melody and sounds should have. So in a some years I might start to pre-produce tracks in my head ;) > I'll check out ccmixter.org Regarding the individual tracks I recorded, > some of them are very brief (only a few seconds long). There are quite a > few tracks, for a piece that is so "airy." ;-) Heh, I meant airy not like thin or hollow, but rather like light-footed :) Most important to me would be having the track up there at all. All your tracks in one would be a nice addition, everything separately great, but I know that can be quite some work. If you use flac, all silence in the tracks will be encoded in a most efficient way, taking up close to no space at all. Flac seems to be not well-known and is obviously not used often there, though. Victor (site admin) wasn't too happy about the flac of that metronomic, somewhat cymbal like sound. ^^ http://ccmixter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2090&cc_cfg_root=media&sid=a1983c414f744dc006a8fefa7fc391d4 > Thank you Thorsten. By the way, what kind of musical elements were you > thinking of to accompany that track. If you give me an idea, I may be > able to make an alternate composition using the same percussion track. Never developed a concrete concept of that. But I would concentrate on the Gnomes. Gnomes that are not friendly, but also not evil. They might set up a trap for you, though. Would have to be gnarly/knabby/ knobbed/knotty/snaggy. Sounds that speak of earth and wood. This shall not be the last percussion track I release. Only that I might do a complete piece at times :) Cheers, Thorsten W Moenchengladbach, Germany From riwright at vt.edu Thu Jan 19 13:57:47 2006 From: riwright at vt.edu (Rick Wright) Date: Thu Jan 19 13:58:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: <1137648395.4736.14.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0601171740n3a2cb5admd7f53f2d095acbb9@mail.gmail.com> <158277e20601182122x5fea972ax70b0bc0c52af0261@mail.gmail.com> <1137648395.4736.14.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <43CFE12B.1030107@vt.edu> Lee Revell wrote: >On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 21:22 -0800, Mike Taht wrote: > > >>The maximum scheduling latency was 31.177 msec. Finding out >>what caused it strikes me as an intensive exercise... and I don't >>think anyone in their right mind would run a workload like this. >> >> > >It's actually not hard at all, and would be interesting to know. > >Just enable the latency tracing options in the kernel configuration, >reset the tracer on boot with "echo 0 > > >>/proc/sys/kernel/preempt_max_latency", and post the contents >> >> >of /proc/latency trace after generating some xruns. > >Lee > > > > Lee, Could you elaborate a little more on which "kernel hacking" .config options are needed to do the latency tracing you have referred to a few times now? Besides the obvious "Latency Tracing (LATENCY_TRACE)", there are others such as: "Wakeup latency timing (WAKEUP_TIMING)" and it's associated histogram "Non-preemptible critical section latency timing" (CRITICAL_PREEMPT_TIMING) and it's associated histogram "Interrupts-off critical section latency timing" (CRITICAL_IRQSOFF_TIMING) and it's associated histogram Each warns of increased kernel size and - more importantly - overhead with these options enabled. Could you provide a brief overview of: 1) what each of these options do and used for? 2) what to expect from the "increased overhead" in practice? 3) which ones are essential to provide good latency trace feedback? I suspect the reason many people, myself included, don't already do this is simply lack of knowledge. Thanks, Rick From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jan 19 14:05:16 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jan 19 14:05:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: <43CFE12B.1030107@vt.edu> References: <5bdc1c8b0601171740n3a2cb5admd7f53f2d095acbb9@mail.gmail.com> <158277e20601182122x5fea972ax70b0bc0c52af0261@mail.gmail.com> <1137648395.4736.14.camel@mindpipe> <43CFE12B.1030107@vt.edu> Message-ID: <1137697516.32195.16.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 13:57 -0500, Rick Wright wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > >On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 21:22 -0800, Mike Taht wrote: > > > > > >>The maximum scheduling latency was 31.177 msec. Finding out > >>what caused it strikes me as an intensive exercise... and I don't > >>think anyone in their right mind would run a workload like this. > >> > >> > > > >It's actually not hard at all, and would be interesting to know. > > > >Just enable the latency tracing options in the kernel configuration, > >reset the tracer on boot with "echo 0 > > > > > >>/proc/sys/kernel/preempt_max_latency", and post the contents > >> > >> > >of /proc/latency trace after generating some xruns. > > > >Lee > > > > > > > > > Lee, > > Could you elaborate a little more on which "kernel hacking" .config > options are needed to do the latency tracing you have referred to a few > times now? > > Besides the obvious "Latency Tracing (LATENCY_TRACE)", there are others > such as: > "Wakeup latency timing (WAKEUP_TIMING)" and it's associated histogram > "Non-preemptible critical section latency timing" > (CRITICAL_PREEMPT_TIMING) and it's associated histogram > "Interrupts-off critical section latency timing" > (CRITICAL_IRQSOFF_TIMING) and it's associated histogram > > Each warns of increased kernel size and - more importantly - overhead > with these options enabled. > > Could you provide a brief overview of: > 1) what each of these options do and used for? > 2) what to expect from the "increased overhead" in practice? > 3) which ones are essential to provide good latency trace feedback? > > I suspect the reason many people, myself included, don't already do this > is simply lack of knowledge. Enable them all but leave the histograms disabled. Don't worry about the overhead, this is just for debugging. Lee From x at branwelt.de Thu Jan 19 16:02:24 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Thu Jan 19 16:02:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] timer resolution In-Reply-To: <200601181832.47419.ws@seh.de> References: <20051214221643.63430.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> <200601181650.03256.ws@seh.de> <43CE6FBA.7060905@branwelt.de> <200601181832.47419.ws@seh.de> Message-ID: <43CFFE60.5050007@branwelt.de> Werner Schweer wrote: >>On Wednesday 18 January 2006 17:41, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: >> >> > > >>>>Werner Schweer wrote: >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>$ ls -lh /dev/rtc >>>>>>>>crw-rw---- 1 root audio 10, 135 2005-12-15 12:27 /dev/rtc >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>----------^^ >>>>>>if you are not in group audio, you dont have any permissions for /dev/rtc. >>>>>>Please check with "id" command. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>I'm in the audio-group (debian system, 2.6.13) >>>> >>>>$ id >>>>Groups=......25(floppy),29(audio),40(src),...... >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>ok, another thing i noticed: >> >>your "cat /proc/driver/rtc" gives >> ... >> update_IRQ : no >> periodic_IRQ : no >> >>my configuration says: >> >> periodic_IRQ : yes >> >>Maybe you should disable HPET in your kernel. As far as i know nobody >>is using it. Especially the kernel option "HPET Control RTC IRQ" >>may disable your /dev/rtc. >> >>/Werner >> > > Now I disabled all options I found that contained the word HPET: CONFIG_HPET_TIMER=n CONFIG_HPET=n CONFIG_HPET_MMAP=n I also followed Martin Habets suggestion and set CONFIG_RTC=y CONFIG_GEN_RTC=n and also CONFIG_SND_RTCTIMER=m to CONFIG_SND_RTCTIMER=y Without success. ----------------------------------- Then I built a new kernel (2.6.15.1) (previos was 2.6.13) Now the timer is working, but my usb card isn't anymore, while the pci card is working. jackd started with PCI-card (hw:0): (OK) $ jackd -R -d alsa -d hw:0 -p512 jackd 0.100.0 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|512|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:0 configuring for 48000Hz, period = 512 frames, buffer = 2 periods nperiods = 2 for capture nperiods = 2 for playback ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- jackd started with USB-card (hw:1): (FAILES) $ jackd -R -d alsa -d hw:1 -p512 jackd 0.100.0 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. creating alsa driver ... hw:1|hw:1|512|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:1 configuring for 48000Hz, period = 512 frames, buffer = 2 periods Note: audio device hw:1 doesn't support a 32bit sample format so JACK will try a 24bit format instead nperiods = 2 for capture Note: audio device hw:1 doesn't support a 32bit sample format so JACK will try a 24bit format instead nperiods = 2 for playback ALSA: could not start playback (Broken pipe) DRIVER NT: could not start driver cannot start driver jackd watchdog: timeout - killing jackd Aborted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the snd-usb-audio module loaded successfully. but jackd sais: cannot start driver. any suggestions ? Thanks for your help and inputs, Emanuel From domain.admin at online.ie Thu Jan 19 18:14:28 2006 From: domain.admin at online.ie (Hiram Abiff) Date: Thu Jan 19 18:14:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DR-880 problems with USB MIDI Message-ID: <20060120001428.ukrjl0shwggwo8kk@mail.online.ie> Hello! I recently bought a BOSS DR-880 drum machine and am having problems getting it to be recognized as a USB MIDI device on my Slackware 10.1 I use a 2.6.10 kernel with Alsa support compiled in. I also have the snd-usb-audio module which works perfectly with my XP MIDI Mate USB MIDI cable. It gets recognized instantly when plugged in and I see it as a MIDI device in qjackctl. When I plug in the DR-880 via USB to my laptop I see this in /var/log/messages: Jan 19 23:56:01 localhost kernel: usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 When I do "cat /proc/bus/usb/devices" I see: T: Bus=03 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=01 Cnt=01 Dev#= 3 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff MxPS= 8 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=0582 ProdID=0075 Rev= 1.00 S: Manufacturer=BOSS Corp. S: Product=BOSS DR-880 C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr= 0mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none) E: Ad=01(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms I: If#= 0 Alt= 1 #EPs= 2 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none) E: Ad=01(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=82(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 64 Ivl=1ms However, dmesg says: usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 midi: probe of 3-2:1.0 failed with error -5 What is error -5? I tried googling and searching the newsgroups and searching this list for any help. No luck. I tried searching for earlier BOSS models, the DR-770 and 670, nothing. This link: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=3168 says that the DR-880 is supported from Alsa version 1.0.9 or later. I use 1.0.10. I do not know how to roubleshoot this problem. Why doesn't the driver for the DR-880 load. I set up USB mode on the DR-880 to MIDI, so no fuck-up there. Could you please offer some assistance, I would like to sync the DR-880 with the Muse sequencer so it starts playback when I press Play in Muse and I want it to playback from a ceratin point when I adjust the playback slider in Muse. Once again, I kindly ask for help. Best, Hiram. -- Come, fill the Cup, and in the Fire of Spring The Winter Garment of Repentance fling: The Bird of Time has but a little way To flutter -- and the Bird is on the Wing. From tito at rumford.de Thu Jan 19 18:22:12 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Thu Jan 19 18:21:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: <1137692453.4736.46.camel@mindpipe> References: <200601191016.20040.tito@rumford.de> <1137692453.4736.46.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200601200022.12526.tito@rumford.de> Lee Revell : > On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 10:16 +0100, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > Mike Taht : > > > Over these nearly 3 days of constant operation I've had > > > about 41 xruns (as best as I can tell, related to major > > > program startup (things like openoffice) and heavy > > > swapping). The maximum scheduling latency was 31.177 > > > msec. > > > > Have you tried cdparanoia / cdrecord as workload? > > What would be the point of that? cdrecord runs at the > maximum RT priority so of course it will cause xruns, it's > the expected behavior. Ah ok, I never looked closer. Do you know whether this maximum priority for cdrecord and the like is still a necessity on contemporary machines and kernels? Wolfgang From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Jan 19 19:12:36 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu Jan 19 19:13:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where did Audioslack.com go? when (will) it be back? In-Reply-To: <43CFB07C.8070206@woh.rr.com> References: <1137249027.5775.6.camel@eviltwin> <43CFF466.4090300@expressmart.com> <43CFB07C.8070206@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200601191912.36838.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 19 January 2006 10:30, Dave Phillips wrote: >Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: >> I like this below one the best ;) >> >>> Or... don't make packages, Luke. Use the source. :-) >> >> 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, >> ya get 1 whacked with a service pack, >> now there's 63,005 bugs in the code!! > >LOL! > >Of course, one needs to know the tune to get the joke... Not only that, he's obviously a winderz user. Sad. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 22:09:46 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Jan 19 22:09:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux/Windows/Mac MIDI over LAN? Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0601191909j3b1d74e7g3906e910678e8ea1@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Is there any solution for removing MIDI cables and doing MIDI over Ethernet for all three platforms? Thanks, Mark From set at pobox.com Thu Jan 19 23:53:13 2006 From: set at pobox.com (Paul) Date: Thu Jan 19 23:53:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Re: x86_64 and ingo's realtime patches, works? In-Reply-To: <200601200022.12526.tito@rumford.de> References: <200601191016.20040.tito@rumford.de> <1137692453.4736.46.camel@mindpipe> <200601200022.12526.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <20060120045312.GV7450@squish.home.loc> Wolfgang Woehl , on Fri Jan 20, 2006 [12:22:12 AM] said: > Lee Revell : > > On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 10:16 +0100, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > > Mike Taht : > > > > Over these nearly 3 days of constant operation I've had > > > > about 41 xruns (as best as I can tell, related to major > > > > program startup (things like openoffice) and heavy > > > > swapping). The maximum scheduling latency was 31.177 > > > > msec. > > > > > > Have you tried cdparanoia / cdrecord as workload? > > > > What would be the point of that? cdrecord runs at the > > maximum RT priority so of course it will cause xruns, it's > > the expected behavior. > > Ah ok, I never looked closer. Do you know whether this maximum > priority for cdrecord and the like is still a necessity on > contemporary machines and kernels? > > Wolfgang > Hi; Its never been a necessity in my experience. It is, rather a safeguard against buffer underruns. Ive never bothered to run it suid root, or as root. Or rather, I have avoided doing that. Paul set@pobox.com From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 20 00:30:05 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Fri Jan 20 00:30:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Anyone tried JackLab? Message-ID: <20060120053005.86040.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> I admin SuSE 9.3 (among other versions and distros) at work, and am not impressed. Has anyone tried JackLab, based on OpenSuse 10.0? Is it good enough to migrate from Old Reliable (Debian)? -=cybersean3000=- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 20 00:38:15 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Fri Jan 20 00:38:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Anyone tried JackLab? In-Reply-To: <20060120053005.86040.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060120053815.88335.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry, forgot the links: http://www.jacklab.net/ http://www.jacklab.org/ --- Sean Edwards wrote: > I admin SuSE 9.3 (among other versions and distros) > at > work, and am not impressed. > > Has anyone tried JackLab, based on OpenSuse 10.0? > > Is it good enough to migrate from Old Reliable > (Debian)? > > -=cybersean3000=- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Jan 20 03:31:05 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Jan 20 03:31:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DR-880 problems with USB MIDI In-Reply-To: <20060120001428.ukrjl0shwggwo8kk@mail.online.ie> References: <20060120001428.ukrjl0shwggwo8kk@mail.online.ie> Message-ID: <1137745865.43d09fc9ad899@webmail.uni-halle.de> Hiram Abiff wrote: > When I do "cat /proc/bus/usb/devices" I see: > > P: Vendor=0582 ProdID=0075 Rev= 1.00 > S: Manufacturer=BOSS Corp. > S: Product=BOSS DR-880 > C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr= 0mA > I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none) Apparently the snd-usb-audio module is not loaded. HTH Clemens From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Jan 20 03:36:33 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Jan 20 03:37:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] timer resolution In-Reply-To: <43CFFE60.5050007@branwelt.de> References: <20051214221643.63430.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> <200601181650.03256.ws@seh.de> <43CE6FBA.7060905@branwelt.de> <200601181832.47419.ws@seh.de> <43CFFE60.5050007@branwelt.de> Message-ID: <1137746193.43d0a111e67bf@webmail.uni-halle.de> Emanuel Rumpf wrote: > [...] > Then I built a new kernel (2.6.15.1) (previos was 2.6.13) 2.6.15 has a bug in the USB driver (should be fixed in 2.6.15.2), but it seems your device isn't affected. > Now the timer is working, but my usb card isn't anymore, while the pci > card is working. > > ALSA: could not start playback (Broken pipe) What is the error message in the system log? If the error code is "-28", disable USB bandwidth checking in the kernel configuration. HTH Clemens From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Fri Jan 20 03:43:20 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Jan 20 03:43:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux/Windows/Mac MIDI over LAN? In-Reply-To: <20060120083726.38E722A9DBE@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060120083726.38E722A9DBE@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Mark Knecht: >Hi all, > Is there any solution for removing MIDI cables and doing MIDI over >Ethernet for all three platforms? I know that midishare has support for eth midi for at least linux and mac. (tried it, it works very well). And I would be surprised if it hadn't support for eth midi for windows as well. -- From x at branwelt.de Fri Jan 20 03:51:44 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Fri Jan 20 03:51:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] timer resolution In-Reply-To: <1137746193.43d0a111e67bf@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <20051214221643.63430.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> <200601181650.03256.ws@seh.de> <43CE6FBA.7060905@branwelt.de> <200601181832.47419.ws@seh.de> <43CFFE60.5050007@branwelt.de> <1137746193.43d0a111e67bf@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <43D0A4A0.2080504@branwelt.de> Clemens Ladisch wrote: >Emanuel Rumpf wrote: > > >>[...] >>Then I built a new kernel (2.6.15.1) (previos was 2.6.13) >> >> > >2.6.15 has a bug in the USB driver (should be fixed in 2.6.15.2), but it >seems your device isn't affected. > > > >>Now the timer is working, but my usb card isn't anymore, while the pci >>card is working. >> >>ALSA: could not start playback (Broken pipe) >> >> > >What is the error message in the system log? >If the error code is "-28", disable USB bandwidth checking in the kernel >configuration. > > > Thanks, Clemens, that helped. CONFIG_USB_BANDWIDTH=n emanuel From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Jan 20 05:10:15 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Jan 20 05:10:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Music & A Sneak Peek @ Freewheeling 0.5.1 In-Reply-To: <20060119060056.M65958@stickist.com> References: <20060119060056.M65958@stickist.com> Message-ID: <43D0B707.2000700@poeticstudios.com> JP Mercury wrote: >Hey Guys n Gals, > >Here is >-New music made the open-source way. >-A sneak peek at what's to come in Freewheeling 0.5.1, an open-source live >looper project. > >Please visit: >http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net > >Cheers, >-JP Mercury > > > > > I've tried it yesterday. It's really interesting. Anyway I can't find how to cut a recorded sample. I edited .fweelin.rc to use the comma key to toggle cut mode on/off and 'cut' is hilited when I press it, but when I press the key of a prerecorded sample It just start or stop playing. I was trying to loop some guitar chords but I need both hands on my instrument and it's uncomfortable to press a key with my nose. I need to cut the first bar of the loop so that it starts from when the notes start. Any clue? c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From ivalladt at punkass.com Fri Jan 20 05:28:14 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Fri Jan 20 05:28:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Anyone tried JackLab? In-Reply-To: <20060120053005.86040.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060120053005.86040.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060120102814.GC3960@spma33> Sean Edwards escribe: > Is it good enough to migrate from Old Reliable > (Debian)? Nothing ever is IMHO. Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But, just my opinion, I don't claim any expertise at anything except maybe watching television or reading comic strips. The mix, however, is really nice, and so is the sound color! Carlo From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Jan 20 06:32:47 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Jan 20 06:33:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DR-880 problems with USB MIDI In-Reply-To: <20060120112822.612rkyxtcscwc0gw@mail.online.ie> References: <20060120001428.ukrjl0shwggwo8kk@mail.online.ie> <1137745865.43d09fc9ad899@webmail.uni-halle.de> <20060120112822.612rkyxtcscwc0gw@mail.online.ie> Message-ID: <1137756767.43d0ca5f9668d@webmail.uni-halle.de> Hiram Abiff wrote: > Quoting Clemens Ladisch : > > Hiram Abiff wrote: > >> I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none) > > > > Apparently the snd-usb-audio module is not loaded. > > ok. what could cause this? Any recent distribution should automatically load USB driver. Which one are you using? Did you compile your own kernel? > can I force load it with modprobe? Yes. > It get's automatically loaded when I use mu USB to MIDI > XP MIDI MATE cable. But this is on another computer, isn't it? Regards, Clemens From errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk Fri Jan 20 07:24:20 2006 From: errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk (Martin Habets) Date: Fri Jan 20 07:24:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux/Windows/Mac MIDI over LAN? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0601191909j3b1d74e7g3906e910678e8ea1@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0601191909j3b1d74e7g3906e910678e8ea1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060120122420.GB16582@palantir8> On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 07:09:46PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi all, > Is there any solution for removing MIDI cables and doing MIDI over > Ethernet for all three platforms? I think midi.osc will do this. Have been unable to download it tho. Supposedly it's somewhere inside http://www.alphalink.com.au/~rd/ but that's a dead end... Rohan? -- Martin From domain.admin at online.ie Fri Jan 20 07:53:02 2006 From: domain.admin at online.ie (Hiram Abiff) Date: Fri Jan 20 07:53:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: DR-880 and USB MIDI problems Message-ID: <20060120135302.teujzs9z8ksc8o8c@mail.online.ie> Quoting Clemens Ladisch : [Hide Quoted Text] Hiram Abiff wrote: Quoting Clemens Ladisch : Hiram Abiff wrote: I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none) Apparently the snd-usb-audio module is not loaded. ok. what could cause this? Any recent distribution should automatically load USB driver. Which one are you using? Did you compile your own kernel?? I use Slackware 10.1. And yes I compiled my own kernel with ALSA as a module. [Hide Quoted Text] can I force load it with modprobe? Yes. It get's automatically loaded when I use mu USB to MIDI XP MIDI MATE cable. But this is on another computer, isn't it? Regards, Clemens No it's on the same computer, that's what puzzles me. The module loads for the MIDI MATE but not for the DR-880. When I do lsmod I see that snd-usb-audio is loaded???? BTW. thanks for all the help, Clemens. Best, Hiram. -- Come, fill the Cup, and in the Fire of Spring The Winter Garment of Repentance fling: The Bird of Time has but a little way To flutter -- and the Bird is on the Wing. From bengan at sunet.se Fri Jan 20 07:56:20 2006 From: bengan at sunet.se (Bengt =?iso-8859-1?B?R/ZyZOlu?=) Date: Fri Jan 20 07:55:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux/Windows/Mac MIDI over LAN? In-Reply-To: <20060120122420.GB16582@palantir8> References: <5bdc1c8b0601191909j3b1d74e7g3906e910678e8ea1@mail.gmail.com> <20060120122420.GB16582@palantir8> Message-ID: <20060120125620.GE9789@sunet.se> On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 12:24:20PM +0000, Martin Habets wrote: > On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 07:09:46PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Hi all, > > Is there any solution for removing MIDI cables and doing MIDI over > > Ethernet for all three platforms? > > I think midi.osc will do this. Have been unable to download it tho. > Supposedly it's somewhere inside http://www.alphalink.com.au/~rd/ > but that's a dead end... Rohan? I had no problem download it. http://www.alphalink.com.au/~rd/sw/osc.html regards, - Bengan ------------------------------------------------------------- - KTHNOC/SUNET/NORDUnet | http://www.noc.kth.se/~bengan | 08-7906586 - From peppercorn at netspace.net.au Fri Jan 20 09:36:57 2006 From: peppercorn at netspace.net.au (Vaughan Famularo) Date: Fri Jan 20 09:37:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] GDay Message-ID: <1137767817.31436.9.camel@studio.kowbouys.org> Hi everyone, I am new to the list and new to using Linux as a an audio platform. So far, I am 3/4 of the way through a song on Ardour and everything is sound ing great. I only have one problem atm By mistake I "hid" a track in Ardour Editor. The track still shows up in Ardour Mixer so I can change some volume settings but it has definitely disappeared in the track editor section. I have now come to the point where I need to do some track editing but the track is unavailable. can anyone tell me how to make the track reappear again please???? I really have a problem if I have to re-record it because it's the drum track. Any help is much appreciated Regards Vaughan From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Fri Jan 20 09:43:33 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Fri Jan 20 09:43:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] GDay In-Reply-To: <1137767817.31436.9.camel@studio.kowbouys.org> References: <1137767817.31436.9.camel@studio.kowbouys.org> Message-ID: <43D0F715.9080409@chapelperilous.net> Vaughan Famularo wrote: > I am new to the list and new to using Linux as a an audio platform. > So far, I am 3/4 of the way through a song on Ardour and everything is > sound ing great. > I only have one problem atm > > By mistake I "hid" a track in Ardour Editor. The track still shows up in > Ardour Mixer so I can change some volume settings but it has definitely > disappeared in the track editor section. I have now come to the point > where I need to do some track editing but the track is unavailable. can > anyone tell me how to make the track reappear again please???? I really > have a problem if I have to re-record it because it's the drum track. > Any help is much appreciated The farmost left window should show a list of all available tracks... your hidden track should be greyed out, and clicking on it should it should unhide it (or you may need to right click and select from a context menu, I don't remember exactly -- soryr, don't have ardour up in front of me right now). -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From groups at xscd.com Fri Jan 20 09:50:18 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Fri Jan 20 09:50:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Homemade music In-Reply-To: References: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> Message-ID: <20060120145018.GL5483@xscd.com> On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 12:03:47PM +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Hi, thanks for sharing, it's beautiful! There's a lot of skill and love > there, and I just got my new sub-woofer, and the bass is great... In > fact, my neighbour just made me turn it off while I was writing this > mail :) I was afraid I had overdone the bass in volume a little, especially in the middle part with the mallet-instrument melody. Perhaps I *did* overdo the bass. ;-) The mixing technique I use can tend to exagerrate the bass. It's a method I have developed for myself that seems to work fairly well, although it is very simplistic in theory. At normal listening volumes, it is easy to hear detail and distinquish all parts, and it can be very difficult and confusing (for me) to set appropriate levels and balance for the various tracks or sequential parts of tracks. So, I start by turning the volume of my auditioning equipment down until I can barely hear the piece and begin to listen. At that low volume, it is very easy to hear what should be turned up a little, or down a little in volume in order that all parts of the piece be able to be heard, with nothing lost in the mix and nothing drowning out other parts of the mix. This low-volume mixing is good for getting a general balance (I'm just a beginning amateur with this mixing stuff, so perhaps this technique is just a way to compensate for my bad ears), but at low volume the bass is disproportionately lower in volume than other higher-frequency sound, so when one turns the bass up loud enough to hear well in the low-auditioning-volume mix, it can later seem too loud at normal listening volumes. So, after doing the very low volume mixing to bring all the levels into reasonable balance, I listen to the song again at normal-to-slightly-loud levels in order to turn down the volume of the bass elements, and lower them back into the mix instead of allowing them to override the rest of the sound too much. As I said, my beginner's method of mixing is *very* simplistic. ;-) > If you want a little feedback there's some rhythmic glitches in > the beginning, like the pulse of the rhythm is slightly different than > the pulse of the organs... I'll listen very carefully to the beginning, and perhaps slow the file down while listening to it to try to hear and correct what you mention and syncronize the track better. Thank you. > Also, I didn't like the blue notes in the > melody very much because it broke the warm coozy friendliness of it. Which part of which melody? Can you tell me at about which time(s) in the music the "blue" notes you mention occur? I may rewrite that section. > > But, just my opinion, I don't claim any expertise at anything except > maybe watching television or reading comic strips. Hey, you're an expert at knowing what sounds good to you and what doesn't, right? ;-) I thank you very much for your comments and suggestions. Steve D -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -Abraham Lincoln ---------------------------------------------------------------- From x at branwelt.de Fri Jan 20 11:02:51 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Fri Jan 20 11:05:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden dssi problem In-Reply-To: <43D0A4A0.2080504@branwelt.de> References: <20051214221643.63430.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> <200601181650.03256.ws@seh.de> <43CE6FBA.7060905@branwelt.de> <200601181832.47419.ws@seh.de> <43CFFE60.5050007@branwelt.de> <1137746193.43d0a111e67bf@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43D0A4A0.2080504@branwelt.de> Message-ID: <43D109AB.1010401@branwelt.de> If I load/open a rosegarden project with dssi plugins applied, there is no sound output. The sound comes back, when I deselect each of the plugins and then reselect it. Obviously the dssi-plugin outputs are not auto-connected with the master-output on project-loading(?) Looks like a bug to me. Note: With the default-studio this does not happen, I can here the plugins there after rosegarden started. I'm using rosegarden 1.2_cvs, but had this error with previous versions too. dssi version = 0.9.1 (i think - how to know it?) I know, it's cvs, sid, but wanted to let you know... ... since it prevents dssi from beeing actually usable... Emanuel From florin at andrei.myip.org Fri Jan 20 11:42:30 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Fri Jan 20 11:42:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Homemade music In-Reply-To: <20060120145018.GL5483@xscd.com> References: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> <20060120145018.GL5483@xscd.com> Message-ID: <1137775350.2921.12.camel@scout.home.local> On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 07:50 -0700, Steve D wrote: > The mixing technique I use can tend to exagerrate the bass. It's a > method I have developed for myself that seems to work fairly well, > although it is very simplistic in theory. A piece of advice that I've seen repeated many times by experts is to listen on many different types of audio gear while you're mixing/mastering. Of course, most of the work must be done on your highest-quality speakers and amps (ideally studio monitors), but you must do several brief reality checks, a few times, on things such as your car stereo, your TV, your laptop, your walkman's headphones, etc. The song will sound, of course, worse on those devices, but it must not exhibit unexpected huge problems - if it does, then go back to your mixer software and fix it. When it starts to sound more or less uniform everywhere, that's a sign you're getting close and you must not apply major transformations at this point anymore. Listen to professionally mixed music, in the conditions described above, to figure out what can be done. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri Jan 20 12:02:39 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri Jan 20 12:02:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Homemade music In-Reply-To: <1137775350.2921.12.camel@scout.home.local> References: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> <20060120145018.GL5483@xscd.com> <1137775350.2921.12.camel@scout.home.local> Message-ID: <20060120170238.GB9093@slinkp.com> On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 08:42:30AM -0800, Florin Andrei wrote: > A piece of advice that I've seen repeated many times by experts is to > listen on many different types of audio gear while you're > mixing/mastering. Of course, most of the work must be done on your > highest-quality speakers and amps (ideally studio monitors), but you > must do several brief reality checks, a few times, on things such as > your car stereo, your TV, your laptop, your walkman's headphones, etc. > > The song will sound, of course, worse on those devices, but it must not > exhibit unexpected huge problems - if it does, then go back to your > mixer software and fix it. > When it starts to sound more or less uniform everywhere, that's a sign > you're getting close and you must not apply major transformations at > this point anymore. > > Listen to professionally mixed music, in the conditions described above, > to figure out what can be done. Another great tip is the "hallway trick": Leave the mixing room and listen a bit from out in the hall, or in the next room, or whatever your building's layout allows... This throws away the stereo image and kind of blurs things together, which is useful for another reality check. Ask yourself: Can I still hear all of the most important things? (Don't worry about minor details and "sweetener" tracks") Does it work well as a piece of music? -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From florin at andrei.myip.org Fri Jan 20 13:21:20 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Fri Jan 20 13:21:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mixing / mastering [was: Homemade music] In-Reply-To: <20060120170238.GB9093@slinkp.com> References: <20060118021556.GM9312@xscd.com> <20060120145018.GL5483@xscd.com> <1137775350.2921.12.camel@scout.home.local> <20060120170238.GB9093@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <1137781280.2921.23.camel@scout.home.local> On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 12:02 -0500, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 08:42:30AM -0800, Florin Andrei wrote: > > A piece of advice that I've seen repeated many times by experts is to > > listen on many different types of audio gear while you're > > mixing/mastering. > Another great tip is the "hallway trick": > Leave the mixing room and listen a bit from out in the hall, > or in the next room, or whatever your building's layout allows... Absolutely. It seems like there's some similarity between these methods: instead of listening through near-perfect audio chains (studio monitors), force the sound to go through less-than-perfect media. A building's inner structure placed between your ear and the monitors is full of resonators, filters, chicanes, etc., a little bit like a lo-fi audio chain. If the character of the song survives through these distorting media, then it must possess coherence and balance. It is surprising how many indie songs fail these tests. I guess this shows the importance of the contribution of a good sound engineer to the overall result. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Jan 20 13:20:59 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Jan 20 13:21:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DR-880 problems with USB MIDI In-Reply-To: <20060120135110.9ivyzc57cwsg8ws8@mail.online.ie> References: <20060120001428.ukrjl0shwggwo8kk@mail.online.ie> <1137745865.43d09fc9ad899@webmail.uni-halle.de> <20060120112822.612rkyxtcscwc0gw@mail.online.ie> <1137756767.43d0ca5f9668d@webmail.uni-halle.de> <20060120135110.9ivyzc57cwsg8ws8@mail.online.ie> Message-ID: <1137781259.43d12a0b32c6b@webmail.uni-halle.de> Tomislav Tomasic wrote: > Quoting Clemens Ladisch : > > Any recent distribution should automatically load USB driver. > > Which one are you using? Did you compile your own kernel? > > I use Slackware 10.1. And yes I compiled my own kernel with ALSA > as a module. Which ALSA version? (see /proc/asound/version) > >> It get's automatically loaded when I use mu USB to MIDI > >> XP MIDI MATE cable. > > > > But this is on another computer, isn't it? > > No it's on the same computer, that's what puzzles me. > The module loads for the MIDI MATE but not for the DR-880. > When I do lsmod I see that snd-usb-audio is loaded???? What are the options in /etc/modprobe.conf? Regards, Clemens From chris.cannam at ferventsoftware.com Fri Jan 20 14:17:42 2006 From: chris.cannam at ferventsoftware.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Fri Jan 20 14:13:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden dssi problem In-Reply-To: <43D109AB.1010401@branwelt.de> References: <20051214221643.63430.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> <43D0A4A0.2080504@branwelt.de> <43D109AB.1010401@branwelt.de> Message-ID: <200601201917.42913.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> On Friday 20 Jan 2006 16:02, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: > If I load/open a rosegarden project with dssi plugins applied, there > is no sound output. > The sound comes back, when I deselect each of the plugins and then > reselect it. > [...] > I'm using rosegarden 1.2_cvs Last updated when? There have been some recent changes to the plugin state save/restore logic. Does this affect all DSSI plugins, or only certain ones? There have been problems in the past with state being incompletely restored for some particular plugins -- Xsynth was the most obvious example -- so that they when reloaded would either play silently or with some barely-audible clicks or other pathological configuration. This should be fixed in current CVS, as of about a week ago. > I know, it's cvs, sid, but wanted to let you know... We're just building up to another release, so reports on problems in CVS are welcome just now. > Note: With the default-studio this does not happen, I can here the > plugins there after rosegarden started. The default studio doesn't have any synth plugins in it... I'm puzzled as to what you mean there. Chris From sayhi2guy at tiscali.co.uk Fri Jan 20 15:03:18 2006 From: sayhi2guy at tiscali.co.uk (guy) Date: Fri Jan 20 15:03:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ogg for Windows made really easy In-Reply-To: <1137400121.3145.2.camel@scout.home.local> References: <43CA9DB1.6060801@tiscali.co.uk> <1137400121.3145.2.camel@scout.home.local> Message-ID: <43D14206.1080909@tiscali.co.uk> Florin Andrei wrote: > On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 19:08 +0000, guy wrote: > >> I have read several comments about ogg format & Windoze & want to >> highlight what seems a very well kept secret. There is a brilliant & >> tiny (592kb!) open source media player for Windoze called coolplayer. >> > > "Well kept secret"? > > WinAMP, one of the most popular mp3 players for Windows, has been able > to play ogg files/streams for quite some time now. ;-) > Hi I think you missed the thrust of my post, (or I didn't express myself very well), ogg players aren't the secret I meant - the open source coolplayer is not very well known. I know that Winamp can play ogg & you can get a plug in for media player too. The point is that coolplayer is a very small - small enough to email even on dial-up & is open source & can be given out freely with your oggs, I have done this. They do not have to install it to use it. Ogg made easy. hope this clears things up Guy ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From domain.admin at online.ie Fri Jan 20 15:18:05 2006 From: domain.admin at online.ie (Tomislav Tomasic) Date: Fri Jan 20 15:18:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DR-880 problems with USB MIDI In-Reply-To: <1137781259.43d12a0b32c6b@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <20060120001428.ukrjl0shwggwo8kk@mail.online.ie> <1137745865.43d09fc9ad899@webmail.uni-halle.de> <20060120112822.612rkyxtcscwc0gw@mail.online.ie> <1137756767.43d0ca5f9668d@webmail.uni-halle.de> <20060120135110.9ivyzc57cwsg8ws8@mail.online.ie> <1137781259.43d12a0b32c6b@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <20060120211805.5gzfdxm3ackcg80o@mail.online.ie> Quoting Clemens Ladisch : > Tomislav Tomasic wrote: >> Quoting Clemens Ladisch : >> > Any recent distribution should automatically load USB driver. >> > Which one are you using? Did you compile your own kernel? >> >> I use Slackware 10.1. And yes I compiled my own kernel with ALSA >> as a module. > > Which ALSA version? (see /proc/asound/version) I nailed it, Clemens. Thnx a bunch. I did cat /proc/asound/version and found out that I use alsa 1.0.6 that I compiled with my kernel. I thought I was using v 1.0.10 which I installed via slapt-get without problems. I removed the .tgz alsa packages and did a "make uninstall" on the alsa 1.0.10 sources, restarted and recompiled the 1.0.10 driver, libs, oss and utils. Now the DR-880 gets recognized no problem. Allright. I am mucho happy. Thank you, Clemens I owe you one. Stay well, Tomislav. > >> >> It get's automatically loaded when I use mu USB to MIDI >> >> XP MIDI MATE cable. >> > >> > But this is on another computer, isn't it? >> >> No it's on the same computer, that's what puzzles me. >> The module loads for the MIDI MATE but not for the DR-880. >> When I do lsmod I see that snd-usb-audio is loaded???? > > What are the options in /etc/modprobe.conf? > > > Regards, > Clemens > From x at branwelt.de Sat Jan 21 04:49:17 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Sat Jan 21 04:52:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden dssi problem In-Reply-To: <847949093-1137798358-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-13016-@engine03.bwc.produk.on.blackberry> References: <847949093-1137798358-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-13016-@engine03.bwc.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <43D2039D.6090407@branwelt.de> Chris Cannam wrote: >Where does the 3.4.3 come from? Is this some sort >of package? I don't recognise that numbering. > > In the help-menu, there's an entry: "Report problems and wishes". When clicked a menu appeared with this version number. Maybe it's not rosegaren related, I don't know. From x at branwelt.de Sat Jan 21 04:57:10 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Sat Jan 21 05:00:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden dssi problem In-Reply-To: <200601201917.42913.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> References: <20051214221643.63430.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> <43D0A4A0.2080504@branwelt.de> <43D109AB.1010401@branwelt.de> <200601201917.42913.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> Message-ID: <43D20576.2070309@branwelt.de> This mail accidently went as personal mail, so here it is again sent to the list. Chris Cannam wrote: >>On Friday 20 Jan 2006 16:02, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: >> >> > > >>>>If I load/open a rosegarden project with dssi plugins applied, there >>>>is no sound output. >>>>The sound comes back, when I deselect each of the plugins and then >>>>reselect it. >>>>[...] >>>>I'm using rosegarden 1.2_cvs >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>Last updated when? >> > > The version I'm talking about is 1.2_cvs 3.4.3 The binary date: 2006-01-15 22:52 /usr/bin/rosegarden >>Does this affect all DSSI plugins, or only certain ones? >> >> >> > > All plugins are affected. >>There have been problems in the past with state being incompletely >>restored for some particular plugins -- Xsynth was the most obvious >>example -- so that they when reloaded would either play silently or >>with some barely-audible clicks or other pathological configuration. >>This should be fixed in current CVS, as of about a week ago. >> >> >> > > >>>>I know, it's cvs, sid, but wanted to let you know... >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>We're just building up to another release, so reports on problems in CVS >>are welcome just now. >> >> >> > > >>>>Note: With the default-studio this does not happen, I can here the >>>>plugins there after rosegarden started. >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>The default studio doesn't have any synth plugins in it... I'm puzzled >>as to what you mean there. >> >> > > Right it doesn't have any synth plugins by default, but I saved another project with dssi-synth-plugins as default-studio. (Menu: Composition/Studio/Save current project as default) If rosegarden is started, there's the default-studio loaded first. This plays the plugins. But if I open other projects with synth-plugins, they are all quit then. Also there was a situation, when the select dialog-window for the synth-plugin got confused: There was a synth-plugin selected, but the synth-instrument-list showed the patches for the previously selected fluid-dssi. Other errors I get, if I try to save synth-instruments (patches): " WhySynth: load error: no patches recognized in patch file '/home/admin/.whysynth/WhySynth_patches-_plugin_dssi_10007_synth_WhySynth' " " Xsynth: patch configuration failed: corrupt data " I will try a more recent cvs-snapshot soon. Some other things I would enjoy to see: (just my thoughts and suggestion) - In the track-editor it is possible to duplicate segments by holding +drag. This should be possible in the matrix editor as well for note-events (for consequency), but doesn't. - The matrix editor is nice for note input and editing, but I sometimes accidently put notes. This requires me to select the eraser-tool and back to the draw-tool. What about introducing some trick?: Double-clicking the note on the (very) left side, to erase it. This behaviour would also be very usefull in the drum-editor. At the moment the event-property-dialog appears on double-click: move it to the right-mbutton-menu instead. Reason: It will be much less used, than the eraser tool (I assume). - matrix-editor: The draw and resize-tools should allow events to be resized by click-dragging them on the right side because moving and resizing is often done mutual. - I've seen a "brush" tool in some sequencers, allowing many notes to be drawn by clicking and draging, with the note-position specified by the grid and note-lenght by quantisation. This is also usfull for drum (hihat) editing. - taste but: The mouse jumps to the note-event-start on mouse-click with move/select-tool. I would prefere it to keep the position relative to the event. - in the german version, "velocity" is bad translated. In this case velocity is not "Geschwindigkeit". "velocity" is "Anschlagst?rke" here and "adjust (event-)velocities" is "Anschlagst?rke (der T?ne) setzen" - The accordname-ruler in the matrix editor doesn't view anyting. - symbols for the main-toolbar for metronome on/off , solo on/off - make the transport (re-)disappear by repressing the T-key. - there's already the nice command 'Join overlapping notes with equal pitches'. This could be extended by the command: 'Shorten preceeding overlapping note, so that it ends 1/64 before the following (equal pitched) note.' (legato) - Velocity Property Ruler: allow 'free-draw properties' . Bring velocities of selected notes to front. 'Draw property line' now affects all events. Maybe affecting selected events only would be more powerfull. - The project (and propably tracks) could have a small notepad for notices. (I would use it for some hints, how to continue editing, reminding me to make coffee etc.) Thanks for all efforts and this versatile program Emanuel From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Jan 21 06:54:05 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Jan 21 06:31:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE + audio experiences ? Message-ID: <43D220DD.6020700@woh.rr.com> Greetings: I'm working on a new article for the Linux Journal, it's focused on using system emulators for running sound and music applications. I'm reviewing recent releases of DOSemu 1.3.3, Xsteem, and the new WINE 0.9.6 beta. I've been pleasantly surprised by some of the results with WINE. AudioMulch runs nicely, as does Buzz, and I was even able to load and run the latest demo of Band In A Box. However, the Finale demo wouldn't install and NI's FM7 ran but produced no sound. I'll probably use those three working apps for my profile, but are there any other sound applications that users commonly run under WINE ? Anything I should take a look at in addition to what I've already selected ? Btw, in case anyone ever thinks development of Linux audio resources is too slow, consider that WINE spent the last 12 years in alpha stage. It went to the beta devel stage just last year. Maybe in another six or seven years we'll see WINE 1.0rc1. :) Best, dp From core at jacklab.net Sat Jan 21 06:36:08 2006 From: core at jacklab.net (Michael Bohle) Date: Sat Jan 21 06:36:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Anyone tried JackLab? In-Reply-To: <20060120053815.88335.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060120053815.88335.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1137843368.5542.37.camel@jacklab.metanet> Hi Sean I think there are many people interested but most of of the list members has their wonderfull LAsystems so there is no need to change. But - there are are some good reasons to take a look into openSUSE JAD. Allmost every typical SuSE proAudio problem is left behind with the jad2 kernel - MusE, Rosegarden and Ardour and many more apps running perfectly and at last I made yesterday a first session with NINJAM (www.ninjam.com). openSUSE JAD aims to be the userfriendliest linux audio system ever, with the wonderfull graphical YAST for configuration... There is now a lot of proAudio software, the fast kernel and a small but growing community around. The story behind is maybe a bit funny: i was not able to use multimonitor support and initialising my audiocard (dsp2000) in debian (DeMuDi) -but suse was working with all my hardware. So I decided - maybe it is easier to screw up SUSE to a DAW. Now this idea is growing up and we have found methods to share this with you. In this early version we work with apt4rpm for distribution. But now we are want to rent a rootserver, so we are able to make a YAST compatible repository and all software maintained by JackLab will be integrated in the next releases of SL-OSS, I think in 10.2. I hope for the LAC (as far as they accept our "answer") I can bring a first CD (image) with a very slim openSUSE JAD preview Hope I see you as an early adaptor ;) Michael Am Donnerstag, den 19.01.2006, 21:38 -0800 schrieb Sean Edwards: > Sorry, forgot the links: > > http://www.jacklab.net/ > > http://www.jacklab.org/ > > --- Sean Edwards wrote: > > > I admin SuSE 9.3 (among other versions and distros) > > at > > work, and am not impressed. > > > > Has anyone tried JackLab, based on OpenSuse 10.0? > > > > Is it good enough to migrate from Old Reliable > > (Debian)? > > > > -=cybersean3000=- > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Jan 21 07:52:11 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Jan 21 07:29:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU+Linux 0.31 In-Reply-To: <200601141742.13263.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> References: <200601141742.13263.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <43D22E7B.9080505@woh.rr.com> Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: >Musix 0.31 news >[snip] >* Band in a box Converter >* gmma (graphic interface for MMA) > > > Hi Marcos: I'm interested in these two programs, but I can't find them anywhere on the net. Can you post a URL where I can retrieve them ? I'd like to try building them under my existing systems. >Tutoriales MMA by Gilberto Andr? Borges > > I'd also like to look at this tutorial if it's available on-line. Thanks ! dp From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Jan 21 08:36:47 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Jan 21 08:36:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE + audio experiences ? In-Reply-To: <43D220DD.6020700@woh.rr.com> References: <43D220DD.6020700@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0601210536n466d97b4uc37f1f353f49edcf@mail.gmail.com> Hi Dave, NI's Battery runs fine for me under Wine from CVS. I *think* Geoff Beasley uses Kontakt under some version of Wine, but it may be the older 20040505//fst sort of solution. I'm not sure. This last 2 weeks we've been working on trying to get Reaktor to run under CVS Wine. For most of us it won't install or won't even start. As for audio the Jack driver in Wine CVS isn't working at all so I have to use non-realtime drivers (OSS, Alsa) and suffer with higher latencies. Sometimes I also run older versions of Acid Pro under Wine. Newer versions (4.0, 5.0) don't run the last time I checked. (I should check again...) Truth in advertizing - mostly I'm sticking with Windows for Windows audio programs. I do run iTunes and Quicken under Wine from CXO though. Cheers, Mark On 1/21/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > I'm working on a new article for the Linux Journal, it's focused on > using system emulators for running sound and music applications. I'm > reviewing recent releases of DOSemu 1.3.3, Xsteem, and the new WINE > 0.9.6 beta. > > I've been pleasantly surprised by some of the results with WINE. > AudioMulch runs nicely, as does Buzz, and I was even able to load and > run the latest demo of Band In A Box. However, the Finale demo wouldn't > install and NI's FM7 ran but produced no sound. > > I'll probably use those three working apps for my profile, but are > there any other sound applications that users commonly run under WINE ? > Anything I should take a look at in addition to what I've already > selected ? > > Btw, in case anyone ever thinks development of Linux audio resources is > too slow, consider that WINE spent the last 12 years in alpha stage. It > went to the beta devel stage just last year. Maybe in another six or > seven years we'll see WINE 1.0rc1. :) > > Best, > > dp > From fbar at footils.org Sat Jan 21 10:08:37 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Jan 21 10:08:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] virmidi and 2.6.14 (Demudi) In-Reply-To: <1137674997.43cf8af527182@webmail.uni-halle.de> References: <43CD32D1.9000306@woh.rr.com> <1137521676.43cd340cd2923@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD42A6.4060506@woh.rr.com> <1137573834.43cdffcace003@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE47B9.9010205@woh.rr.com> <1137598937.43ce61d930e75@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE6CD2.5010605@woh.rr.com> <1137660515.43cf5263632e7@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CF83CB.9000009@woh.rr.com> <1137674997.43cf8af527182@webmail.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <20060121150837.GF20712@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Clemens Ladisch hat gesagt: // Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Case 1: sending from Dosemu to an ALSA program: > - tell Dosemu to write to /dev/midi02; > - run "aseqdump" (or any other program); > - run "aconnect 80:0 aseqdump"; > - data sent by a DOS program will be received by aseqdump. > > Case 2: sending from an ALSA program to Dosemu: > - tell Dosemu to read from /dev/midi02; > - run "aplaymidi -p 80:0 something.mid", > or "aconnect 72:0 80:0" to route your external keyboard to Dosemu. What would be the best setup for a third case: sending from Dosemu to Dosemu or more generally: sending from one program, that can only use rawmidi/OSS ports to another program, that can only use rawmidi/OSS ports? Assuming I have a virmidi card as card 2, then I would have four ports shown in aconnect: Virtual Raw MIDI 2-0', Virtual Raw MIDI 2-1' etc. I know and actually used the fact, that these are available as rawmidi ports in /dev/snd/midiC2D0, /dev/snd/midiC2D1, ... So connecting like this "aconnect 80:0 80:1" will let me read at /dev/snd/midiC2D1 what I write to /dev/snd/midiC2D0. Is there a way to access these "sub-ports" through /dev/midi?? or /dev/amidi?? as well? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From markus at herhoffer.net Sat Jan 21 11:49:51 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Sat Jan 21 10:37:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst 1.7 doesn't compile Message-ID: <43D2662F.8000601@herhoffer.net> Hello! If I try to compile fst 1.7 I get an error message that there's something wrong with the Steinberg VST-SDK: #$ make cp -a `find . | grep 'vstsdk[^/]*\$'`/source/common ./vst cp: cannot stat `./vstsdk2.4/source/common': No such file or directory make: *** [hackheaders] Error 1 There is really no directory called /source/common in the latest SDK (version 2.4) that I have downloaded from the official Steinberg website. Did I get the right version of the SDK? Do I have to move some files in the right directory? Greets, Markus Herhoffer From m_nels at gmx.net Sat Jan 21 11:01:31 2006 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Sat Jan 21 11:00:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Creating tuition videos Message-ID: <43D25ADB.7010806@gmx.net> Hi all, I've been thinking about writing and producing some instrumental tuition videos. I have a mini-DV firewire camcorder available. I was wondering if anyone knew of any (GPL) software I can run on Linux to create these with. I'm planning (amongst other things) to write some examples in MIDI. I'd like to generate some dynamic video footage of the notation - so a student can watch a cursor moving over the score, synchronised with the backing track audio, for example. It would also be cool to do some other things - dynamic performance notes, guitar tablature, chord shapes, add lyrics (maybe with cheesy karaoke-type word highlighting...) I'd also like to edit this together with footage of the examples being played acoustically, and explanations of what is going on. This is only an idea in the very early stages at the moment, but I'd like to know what help I could get from software... It would be nice if decent tools exist - so the hard part will be writing the material... Regards Michael From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Sat Jan 21 11:22:46 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Sat Jan 21 11:17:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Creating tuition videos In-Reply-To: <43D25ADB.7010806@gmx.net> References: <43D25ADB.7010806@gmx.net> Message-ID: <43D25FD6.2010301@chapelperilous.net> Michael T D Nelson wrote: > I've been thinking about writing and producing some instrumental tuition > videos. I have a mini-DV firewire camcorder available. > > I was wondering if anyone knew of any (GPL) software I can run on Linux > to create these with. For the video portion, Kino and Cinelerra are your best bets for handling DV. You can use Kino for dumping stuff from the camera over firewire and basic editing, and you can use Cinelerra for the post-production (and more advanced editing features). There are lots of audio choices, but your biggest problem is going to be with synchronization. I think both video apps can synch with SMPTE, so you would need to figure out a way to use this with, say, Ardour or Rosegarden. I haven't kept up on Kino development lately, maybe it has more advanced synch options now (it would be nice if they included Jack synch!) -- Brett -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Sat Jan 21 11:26:00 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Sat Jan 21 11:20:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Creating tuition videos In-Reply-To: <43D25ADB.7010806@gmx.net> References: <43D25ADB.7010806@gmx.net> Message-ID: <43D26098.90802@chapelperilous.net> Michael T D Nelson wrote: > I've been thinking about writing and producing some instrumental tuition > videos. I have a mini-DV firewire camcorder available. > > I was wondering if anyone knew of any (GPL) software I can run on Linux > to create these with. Sorry, I forgot to include links! Kino: http://www.kinodv.org/article/view/115/1/7/ (note: now includes ALSA support!) Cinelerra: http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3 (supports LADSPA plugins) -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From x at branwelt.de Sat Jan 21 11:17:54 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Sat Jan 21 11:21:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst 1.7 doesn't compile In-Reply-To: <43D2662F.8000601@herhoffer.net> References: <43D2662F.8000601@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <43D25EB2.2050504@branwelt.de> Markus Herhoffer wrote: >Hello! > >If I try to compile fst 1.7 I get an error message that there's >something wrong with the Steinberg VST-SDK: > >#$ make >cp -a `find . | grep 'vstsdk[^/]*\$'`/source/common ./vst >cp: cannot stat `./vstsdk2.4/source/common': No such file or directory >make: *** [hackheaders] Error 1 > >There is really no directory called /source/common in the latest SDK >(version 2.4) that I have downloaded from the official Steinberg website. > >Did I get the right version of the SDK? Do I have to move some files in >the right directory? > > Create the directory vstsdk2.3/source/common/ inside the fst-1.7 directory. Try to copy AEffect.h and aeffectx.h from your downloaded sdk to that directory. Else try it with vstsdk2.3. regards, emanuel From markus at herhoffer.net Sat Jan 21 13:09:52 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Sat Jan 21 11:57:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst 1.7 doesn't compile In-Reply-To: <43D25EB2.2050504@branwelt.de> References: <43D2662F.8000601@herhoffer.net> <43D25EB2.2050504@branwelt.de> Message-ID: <43D278F0.6070105@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello! Thanks for the quick reply. The files in VST-SDK version 2.4 seem to be incompatible with fst 1.7. I get the following error. Does somebody know where I can get the older SDK or at least the needed files? There is no official link on the Steinberg website. The error output of make: cp -a `find . | grep 'vstsdk[^/]*\$'`/source/common ./vst sed -i '/struct VstFileType\|struct VstFileSelect/,/};/d' vst/aeffectx.h winegcc -c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` -I. -o audiomaster.o audiomaster.c In file included from jackvst.h:8, from audiomaster.c:23: ./fst.h:26:25: vst/AEffect.h: No such file or directory In file included from jackvst.h:8, from audiomaster.c:23: ./fst.h:58: error: parse error before "AEffect" ./fst.h:58: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union ./fst.h:61: error: parse error before '}' token ./fst.h:65: error: parse error before "AEffect" ./fst.h:65: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union ./fst.h:78: error: parse error before '}' token ./fst.h:89: error: parse error before "audioMasterCallback" In file included from ./vst/aeffectx.h:17, from audiomaster.c:24: ./vst/aeffect.h:33: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], )' - ignored ./vst/aeffect.h:112: error: parse error before '*' token ./vst/aeffect.h:113: error: parse error before '*' token ./vst/aeffect.h:114: error: parse error before '*' token ./vst/aeffect.h:115: error: parse error before '*' token ./vst/aeffect.h:116: error: parse error before '*' token ./vst/aeffect.h:117: error: parse error before '*' token ./vst/aeffect.h:301: error: parse error before '<' token ./vst/aeffect.h:333: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without matching #pragma pack (push, ) In file included from audiomaster.c:24: ./vst/aeffectx.h:30: warning: malformed '#pragma pack(push[, id], )' - - ignored ./vst/aeffectx.h:89: error: parse error before "VstEvent" ./vst/aeffectx.h:89: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union ./vst/aeffectx.h:617: error: parse error before "VstSpeakerProperties" ./vst/aeffectx.h:617: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union ./vst/aeffectx.h:1094: warning: #pragma pack (pop) encountered without matching #pragma pack (push, ) audiomaster.c:40: error: parse error before '*' token audiomaster.c: In function `jack_host_callback': audiomaster.c:47: error: syntax error before "_timeInfo" audiomaster.c:48: error: `effect' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:48: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once audiomaster.c:48: error: for each function it appears in.) audiomaster.c:54: error: `opcode' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:59: error: `opt' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:89: error: `audioMasterWantMidi' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:103: error: `_timeInfo' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:114: error: `value' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:140: error: `audioMasterSetTime' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:144: error: `audioMasterTempoAt' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:149: error: `audioMasterGetNumAutomatableParameters' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:153: error: `audioMasterGetParameterQuantization' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:165: error: `audioMasterNeedIdle' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:191: error: `audioMasterGetPreviousPlug' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:196: error: `audioMasterGetNextPlug' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:200: error: `audioMasterWillReplaceOrAccumulate' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:239: error: `audioMasterSetOutputSampleRate' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:244: error: `audioMasterGetSpeakerArrangement' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:252: error: `ptr' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:271: error: `audioMasterSetIcon' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:286: error: `audioMasterOpenWindow' undeclared (first use in this function) audiomaster.c:291: error: `audioMasterCloseWindow' undeclared (first use in this function) winegcc: i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc failed. make: *** [audiomaster.o] Error 2 Emanuel Rumpf wrote: > Markus Herhoffer wrote: > > >>Hello! >> >>If I try to compile fst 1.7 I get an error message that there's >>something wrong with the Steinberg VST-SDK: >> >>#$ make >>cp -a `find . | grep 'vstsdk[^/]*\$'`/source/common ./vst >>cp: cannot stat `./vstsdk2.4/source/common': No such file or directory >>make: *** [hackheaders] Error 1 >> >>There is really no directory called /source/common in the latest SDK >>(version 2.4) that I have downloaded from the official Steinberg website. >> >>Did I get the right version of the SDK? Do I have to move some files in >>the right directory? >> >> > > > Create the directory vstsdk2.3/source/common/ inside the fst-1.7 directory. > Try to copy AEffect.h and aeffectx.h from your downloaded sdk to that > directory. > Else try it with vstsdk2.3. > > regards, > emanuel > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD0njw4ihw6BWdedERAmJ1AKDM0aDPZU8kU75C2Ux3NXxfxE4d9wCfViQP +PL2CBdh+mO10NnUv6e4c0c= =x/Yi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From x at branwelt.de Sat Jan 21 12:25:27 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Sat Jan 21 12:24:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst 1.7 doesn't compile In-Reply-To: <43D278F0.6070105@herhoffer.net> References: <43D2662F.8000601@herhoffer.net> <43D25EB2.2050504@branwelt.de> <43D278F0.6070105@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <43D26E87.7070905@branwelt.de> Markus Herhoffer wrote: > Hello! > > Thanks for the quick reply. > > The files in VST-SDK version 2.4 seem to be incompatible with fst 1.7. I > get the following error. Does somebody know where I can get the older > SDK or at least the needed files? There is no official link on the > Steinberg website. Try to make a second directory, call it "vst". Copy the header-files there too. From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sat Jan 21 12:32:29 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sat Jan 21 12:32:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Creating tuition videos In-Reply-To: <43D26098.90802@chapelperilous.net> References: <43D25ADB.7010806@gmx.net> <43D26098.90802@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <43D2702D.7030401@poeticstudios.com> Brett McCoy wrote: > Michael T D Nelson wrote: > >> I've been thinking about writing and producing some instrumental >> tuition videos. I have a mini-DV firewire camcorder available. >> >> I was wondering if anyone knew of any (GPL) software I can run on >> Linux to create these with. > > > Sorry, I forgot to include links! > > Kino: http://www.kinodv.org/article/view/115/1/7/ > (note: now includes ALSA support!) > > Cinelerra: http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3 > (supports LADSPA plugins) > About cinelerra, my suggestion is to use the cvs branch at: http://cvs.cinelerra.org I've had some problems compiling the official version. With the cvs version I've succesfully edited and rendered (in mpeg2) some video footage. It is pretty stable. You can use dvgrab to acquire the footage from the fireware camera. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From adrian at f4z.org Sat Jan 21 13:18:15 2006 From: adrian at f4z.org (Adrian Prantl) Date: Sat Jan 21 13:18:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux/Windows/Mac MIDI over LAN? In-Reply-To: <20060120122420.GB16582@palantir8> References: <5bdc1c8b0601191909j3b1d74e7g3906e910678e8ea1@mail.gmail.com> <20060120122420.GB16582@palantir8> Message-ID: <8C9433D2-F056-40AA-AFEE-6843272EC251@f4z.org> Am 20.01.2006 um 13:24 schrieb Martin Habets: > On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 07:09:46PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: >> Hi all, >> Is there any solution for removing MIDI cables and doing MIDI over >> Ethernet for all three platforms? > > I think midi.osc will do this. Have been unable to download it tho. > Supposedly it's somewhere inside http://www.alphalink.com.au/~rd/ > but that's a dead end... Rohan? Is there such a thing as a HOWTO? I wanted to set it up to route from MIDI in -> jack-dssi-host but didn't get very far.. (I'm not sure if that's how it's supposed to be used anyway) -- Adrian From m_nels at gmx.net Sat Jan 21 14:03:38 2006 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Sat Jan 21 14:02:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Creating tuition videos In-Reply-To: <43D25FD6.2010301@chapelperilous.net> References: <43D25ADB.7010806@gmx.net> <43D25FD6.2010301@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <43D2858A.8070100@gmx.net> Brett McCoy wrote: > Michael T D Nelson wrote: > >> I've been thinking about writing and producing some instrumental >> tuition videos. I have a mini-DV firewire camcorder available. >> >> I was wondering if anyone knew of any (GPL) software I can run on >> Linux to create these with. > > > For the video portion, Kino and Cinelerra are your best bets for > handling DV. Thanks. I'll check these out properly soon. > There are lots of audio choices, but your biggest problem is going to be > with synchronization. I think both video apps can synch with SMPTE, so > you would need to figure out a way to use this with, say, Ardour or > Rosegarden. I haven't kept up on Kino development lately, maybe it has > more advanced synch options now (it would be nice if they included Jack > synch!) Yep, that's one of my major concerns. It would be awesome if *any* of these programs were to include JACK synchronisation. In fact, for me to do proper *multimedia* production on Linux, I would imagine it to be essential in the long term. The other concern is the process of creating computer-generated video footage of music notation. Does anyone know of a way to do this, short of creating lots of images of notation (with, say, different notes or measures highlighted), and editing them into an animation manually? I guess I could brush up my OpenGL and C and have a go at writing a utility myself that converts MIDI into video notation... Imagine a more serious version of that Nintendo GameCube Donkey Konga bongo game... with proper notation, multiple instruments... Maybe you could even plug in a MIDI instrument & it could grade your performance... It could be an awesome music tuition tool! I'm having far too many ambitious ideas today! Thanks, Michael From carotinobg at yahoo.it Sat Jan 21 14:40:28 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Sat Jan 21 14:35:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Creating tuition videos In-Reply-To: <43D2858A.8070100@gmx.net> References: <43D25ADB.7010806@gmx.net> <43D25FD6.2010301@chapelperilous.net> <43D2858A.8070100@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200601212040.28365.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 20:03, sabato 21 gennaio 2006, Michael T D Nelson ha scritto: > Imagine a more serious version of that Nintendo GameCube Donkey Konga > bongo game... with proper notation, multiple instruments... Maybe you > could even plug in a MIDI instrument & it could grade your > performance... It could be an awesome music tuition tool! Well, I won't regret even a not serious version!!:))) Please!!:) Byez! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sat Jan 21 15:37:46 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sat Jan 21 15:38:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Creating tuition videos In-Reply-To: <200601212040.28365.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <43D25ADB.7010806@gmx.net> <43D25FD6.2010301@chapelperilous.net> <43D2858A.8070100@gmx.net> <200601212040.28365.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <43D29B9A.30502@poeticstudios.com> Carotinho wrote: >Hi! > >Alle 20:03, sabato 21 gennaio 2006, Michael T D Nelson ha scritto: > > >>Imagine a more serious version of that Nintendo GameCube Donkey Konga >>bongo game... with proper notation, multiple instruments... Maybe you >>could even plug in a MIDI instrument & it could grade your >>performance... It could be an awesome music tuition tool! >> >> > >Well, I won't regret even a not serious version!!:))) Please!!:) > >Byez! > >Carotinho > > > > In fact I believe that some interactive software could be more interesting than a DVD. c. > > >___________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB >http://mail.yahoo.it > > > > -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Sat Jan 21 11:24:04 2006 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sat Jan 21 16:39:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU+Linux 0.31 In-Reply-To: <43D22E7B.9080505@woh.rr.com> References: <200601141742.13263.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <43D22E7B.9080505@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200601211724.04672.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> On Saturday 21 January 2006 13:52, Dave Phillips wrote: > Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > >Musix 0.31 news > >[snip] [1] > >* Band in a box Converter [2] > >* gmma (graphic interface for MMA) > > Hi Marcos: > > I'm interested in these two programs, but I can't find them > anywhere on the net. Can you post a URL where I can retrieve them ? > I'd like to try building them under my existing systems. Hi, [1] is out there: http://www.brenzi.ch/builder.php?content=projects_biabconverter [2] gmma.sh it's only one bash script I made to solve the matter-of-fact that new GNU+Linux users will like to use MMA from a graphic interface. You will need: MMA, gmessage & leafpad to run it, and I suggest to have timidity (we into Musix completed the freepats GM Drums) and rosegarden. Also: you can change this script gmma to use another apps with it: it will be easy. > >Tutoriales MMA by Gilberto Andr? Borges > > I'd also like to look at this tutorial if it's available on-line. It's only in portuguese and spanish for now... and it's in the same server as musix.org.ar (it's down for now), so I am mailing you this html > Thanks ! > > dp Tell me if you have luck with them -- Marcos Guglielmetti (www.pc-musica.com.ar) Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) (www.musix.distrux.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gmma.sh Type: application/x-shellscript Size: 4905 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060121/b421f47f/gmma-0001.bin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: tutorialMMAes.html.bz2 Type: application/x-bzip2 Size: 6292 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060121/b421f47f/tutorialMMAes.html-0001.bin From hanaghan at starband.net Sat Jan 21 17:03:35 2006 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Sat Jan 21 17:01:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE + audio experiences ? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0601210536n466d97b4uc37f1f353f49edcf@mail.gmail.com> References: <43D220DD.6020700@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0601210536n466d97b4uc37f1f353f49edcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D2AFB7.2090308@starband.net> Mark Knecht wrote: >Hi Dave, > NI's Battery runs fine for me under Wine from CVS. I *think* Geoff >Beasley uses Kontakt under some version of Wine, but it may be the >older 20040505//fst sort of solution. I'm not sure. This last 2 weeks >we've been working on trying to get Reaktor to run under CVS Wine. For >most of us it won't install or won't even start. > > As for audio the Jack driver in Wine CVS isn't working at all so I >have to use non-realtime drivers (OSS, Alsa) and suffer with higher >latencies. > > Sometimes I also run older versions of Acid Pro under Wine. Newer >versions (4.0, 5.0) don't run the last time I checked. (I should check >again...) > > Truth in advertizing - mostly I'm sticking with Windows for Windows >audio programs. I do run iTunes and Quicken under Wine from CXO >though. > >Cheers, >Mark > >On 1/21/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >>Greetings: >> >> I'm working on a new article for the Linux Journal, it's focused on >>using system emulators for running sound and music applications. I'm >>reviewing recent releases of DOSemu 1.3.3, Xsteem, and the new WINE >>0.9.6 beta. >> >> I've been pleasantly surprised by some of the results with WINE. >>AudioMulch runs nicely, as does Buzz, and I was even able to load and >>run the latest demo of Band In A Box. However, the Finale demo wouldn't >>install and NI's FM7 ran but produced no sound. >> >> I'll probably use those three working apps for my profile, but are >>there any other sound applications that users commonly run under WINE ? >>Anything I should take a look at in addition to what I've already >>selected ? >> >> Btw, in case anyone ever thinks development of Linux audio resources is >>too slow, consider that WINE spent the last 12 years in alpha stage. It >>went to the beta devel stage just last year. Maybe in another six or >>seven years we'll see WINE 1.0rc1. :) >> >>Best, >> >>dp >> >> >> > > > Slightly off topic but in conflict to Marks experience with "Jack: audio driver under wine... Thac has recently repackaged Wine 9.5 for PclinuxOS. I have been messing with "VSThost" from the "savihost" site. VST host laods and even loads my more intensive VST's such as HyperCanvas in a fullt functional manner. AND...with new this new WIne package, the JACK audio driver does work and is patchable in Qjackctl. No "jack midi" but VST host and it's loaded vst's can be talked to via ALSA midi "thru" port if ALSA and JACK audio are mutully selected in Wine config. I'm useing the WineTools app to do that. So far all seems to work ok! :) Only issue is that VSTHost running directly in Wine is sucking the resources up and running CPU at 99%. If not for this, I would view this as a VERY useful new funtionality to my audio toys! :) Cheers, R~ From seablaede at gmail.com Sat Jan 21 17:10:34 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sat Jan 21 17:08:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Basics Message-ID: <43D2B15A.3090500@softhome.net> So I just pulled out my old sound card and installed a brand new RME HDSP 96/32 - the one that can do 192 KHz. Now I am looking for basic info on the mixer in it, and the basics of how to get it up and running. I ran alsaconf, got the interface in, but apparently the mixer is a bit different, due to the DSP mixer onboard most likely I would assume, and unfortunatly alsamixer is leaving me a bit behind on this compared to my older ICE1712 based card. So yea looking for basics of how to use the mixer with it I suppose. GUI based applications wouldnt hurt I suppose, but console based examples is also good. Personally I am hoping to put my older card back in eventually since the RME I believe is compatible with PCI-X and I have a few of those slots open to move it to, but before I do that I want to make sure I can get the RME up and running perfectly first. Seablade From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sat Jan 21 17:23:33 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sat Jan 21 17:20:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Basics In-Reply-To: <43D2B15A.3090500@softhome.net> References: <43D2B15A.3090500@softhome.net> Message-ID: <1137882213.9170.122.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 17:10 -0500, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > So I just pulled out my old sound card and installed a brand new RME > HDSP 96/32 - the one that can do 192 KHz. Now I am looking for basic > info on the mixer in it, and the basics of how to get it up and > running. I ran alsaconf, got the interface in, but apparently the mixer > is a bit different, due to the DSP mixer onboard most likely I would > assume, and unfortunatly alsamixer is leaving me a bit behind on this > compared to my older ICE1712 based card. So yea looking for basics of > how to use the mixer with it I suppose. GUI based applications wouldnt > hurt I suppose, but console based examples is also good. you need hdspmixer, which is in one of the alsapackages. alsamixer and other tools have no way to handle the idea of a matrix mixer. otoh, hdspmixer is very complex - be sure to read docs on the RME site, since it works identically (same bitmaps etc) as the win/mac version. i am not sure you can get 192KHz from the existing ALSA driver. --p From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jan 21 17:25:11 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jan 21 17:25:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE + audio experiences ? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0601210536n466d97b4uc37f1f353f49edcf@mail.gmail.com> References: <43D220DD.6020700@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0601210536n466d97b4uc37f1f353f49edcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1137882311.411.28.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 05:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > I do run iTunes and Quicken under Wine I've been meaning to ask, how well does iTunes work for you under Wine? Can I take a stack of CDs, "Import CD", then "Update ipod" and have it Just Work? What's the best native Linux way to rip a bunch of CDs and load them onto an ipod (GUI please, don't tell me to use a bunch of shell scripts - it has to be as easy for my girlfriend to use as itunes)? Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jan 21 17:25:39 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jan 21 17:25:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] virmidi and 2.6.14 (Demudi) In-Reply-To: <20060121150837.GF20712@fliwatut.scifi> References: <43CD32D1.9000306@woh.rr.com> <1137521676.43cd340cd2923@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CD42A6.4060506@woh.rr.com> <1137573834.43cdffcace003@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE47B9.9010205@woh.rr.com> <1137598937.43ce61d930e75@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE6CD2.5010605@woh.rr.com> <1137660515.43cf5263632e7@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CF83CB.9000009@woh.rr.com> <1137674997.43cf8af527182@webmail.uni-halle.de> <20060121150837.GF20712@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1137882340.411.30.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 16:08 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: > What would be the best setup for a third case: sending from Dosemu to > Dosemu or more generally: sending from one program, that can only use > rawmidi/OSS ports to another program, that can only use rawmidi/OSS > ports? Fix the apps? ;-) Lee From ix at replic.net Sat Jan 21 17:28:58 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Sat Jan 21 17:29:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE + audio experiences ? In-Reply-To: <1137882311.411.28.camel@mindpipe> References: <43D220DD.6020700@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0601210536n466d97b4uc37f1f353f49edcf@mail.gmail.com> <1137882311.411.28.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060121222858.GB2138@replic.net> On Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 05:25:11PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 05:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > I do run iTunes and Quicken under Wine > > I've been meaning to ask, how well does iTunes work for you under Wine? > Can I take a stack of CDs, "Import CD", then "Update ipod" and have it > Just Work? > > What's the best native Linux way to rip a bunch of CDs and load them > onto an ipod (GUI please, don't tell me to use a bunch of shell scripts > - it has to be as easy for my girlfriend to use as itunes)? grip is incredibly simple, just pop in a cd and it does the rest..no clicking even necessary gtkpod can then throw them on the ipod > > Lee From seablaede at gmail.com Sat Jan 21 17:36:33 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sat Jan 21 17:34:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Basics In-Reply-To: <1137882213.9170.122.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43D2B15A.3090500@softhome.net> <1137882213.9170.122.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43D2B771.3020408@gmail.com> >i am not sure you can get 192KHz from the existing ALSA driver. Thats ok all I really wanted was 96;) I dont have a reason to go above that yet myself. I got the 96/32 more for the combination of analog and digital for the price and the support/quality of it. Any idea which alsa package that is in? I believe I have all of them and all I can find is hdsploader(The firmware loader I believe?) Seablade From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jan 21 17:34:57 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jan 21 17:35:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE + audio experiences ? In-Reply-To: <20060121222858.GB2138@replic.net> References: <43D220DD.6020700@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0601210536n466d97b4uc37f1f353f49edcf@mail.gmail.com> <1137882311.411.28.camel@mindpipe> <20060121222858.GB2138@replic.net> Message-ID: <1137882898.411.32.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 22:28 +0000, cdr wrote: > On Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 05:25:11PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 05:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > I do run iTunes and Quicken under Wine > > > > I've been meaning to ask, how well does iTunes work for you under Wine? > > Can I take a stack of CDs, "Import CD", then "Update ipod" and have it > > Just Work? > > > > What's the best native Linux way to rip a bunch of CDs and load them > > onto an ipod (GUI please, don't tell me to use a bunch of shell scripts > > - it has to be as easy for my girlfriend to use as itunes)? > > grip is incredibly simple, just pop in a cd and it does the rest..no clicking even necessary > gtkpod can then throw them on the ipod Argh, that's 2 apps. There isn't a single app that can rip CDs then load them onto the ipod? Lee From m_nels at gmx.net Sat Jan 21 17:39:28 2006 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Sat Jan 21 17:38:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Basics In-Reply-To: <1137882213.9170.122.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43D2B15A.3090500@softhome.net> <1137882213.9170.122.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43D2B820.1000708@gmx.net> Paul Davis wrote: > you need hdspmixer, which is in one of the alsapackages. alsamixer and > other tools have no way to handle the idea of a matrix mixer. otoh, > hdspmixer is very complex - be sure to read docs on the RME site, since > it works identically (same bitmaps etc) as the win/mac version. Did I read recently that hdspmixer should also work for Digi9636/52 cards, but doesn't at the moment? I have a Digi9636, but currently have no way of changing any settings on the card, as far as I know. Regards Michael From fbar at footils.org Sat Jan 21 17:47:06 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Jan 21 17:47:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] virmidi and 2.6.14 (Demudi) In-Reply-To: <1137882340.411.30.camel@mindpipe> References: <43CD42A6.4060506@woh.rr.com> <1137573834.43cdffcace003@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE47B9.9010205@woh.rr.com> <1137598937.43ce61d930e75@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE6CD2.5010605@woh.rr.com> <1137660515.43cf5263632e7@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CF83CB.9000009@woh.rr.com> <1137674997.43cf8af527182@webmail.uni-halle.de> <20060121150837.GF20712@fliwatut.scifi> <1137882340.411.30.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060121224706.GI20712@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 16:08 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > What would be the best setup for a third case: sending from Dosemu to > > Dosemu or more generally: sending from one program, that can only use > > rawmidi/OSS ports to another program, that can only use rawmidi/OSS > > ports? > > Fix the apps? They aren't broken. ;) In the past I just did some symlinks to /dev/snd/midiCxDx, which works fine, but maybe this isn't necessary? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jan 21 17:51:10 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jan 21 17:51:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] virmidi and 2.6.14 (Demudi) In-Reply-To: <20060121224706.GI20712@fliwatut.scifi> References: <43CD42A6.4060506@woh.rr.com> <1137573834.43cdffcace003@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE47B9.9010205@woh.rr.com> <1137598937.43ce61d930e75@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CE6CD2.5010605@woh.rr.com> <1137660515.43cf5263632e7@webmail.uni-halle.de> <43CF83CB.9000009@woh.rr.com> <1137674997.43cf8af527182@webmail.uni-halle.de> <20060121150837.GF20712@fliwatut.scifi> <1137882340.411.30.camel@mindpipe> <20060121224706.GI20712@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1137883870.411.41.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 23:47 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 16:08 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > > What would be the best setup for a third case: sending from Dosemu to > > > Dosemu or more generally: sending from one program, that can only use > > > rawmidi/OSS ports to another program, that can only use rawmidi/OSS > > > ports? > > > > Fix the apps? > > They aren't broken. ;) > > In the past I just did some symlinks to /dev/snd/midiCxDx, which > works fine, but maybe this isn't necessary? While many people think it's a neat trick, "cat foo > /dev/midi" and /dev/dsp and ioctl()s on /dev nodes and what not is an interface we are trying to move away from. So they are not necessarily broken, they are just being stubbornly old fashioned. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Jan 21 18:13:23 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Jan 21 18:13:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Basics In-Reply-To: <43D2B820.1000708@gmx.net> References: <43D2B15A.3090500@softhome.net> <1137882213.9170.122.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43D2B820.1000708@gmx.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0601211513o56f3e70eh47037fa1c9539cf4@mail.gmail.com> On 1/21/06, Michael T D Nelson wrote: > Paul Davis wrote: > > you need hdspmixer, which is in one of the alsapackages. alsamixer and > > other tools have no way to handle the idea of a matrix mixer. otoh, > > hdspmixer is very complex - be sure to read docs on the RME site, since > > it works identically (same bitmaps etc) as the win/mac version. > > Did I read recently that hdspmixer should also work for Digi9636/52 > cards, but doesn't at the moment? > > I have a Digi9636, but currently have no way of changing any settings on > the card, as far as I know. > > Regards > Michael > I use hdspmixer on my HDSP 9652 every day. As for settings you need to change those using hdspconf. Good luck, Mark From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sat Jan 21 18:17:44 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sat Jan 21 18:14:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE + audio experiences ? In-Reply-To: <1137882898.411.32.camel@mindpipe> References: <43D220DD.6020700@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0601210536n466d97b4uc37f1f353f49edcf@mail.gmail.com> <1137882311.411.28.camel@mindpipe> <20060121222858.GB2138@replic.net> <1137882898.411.32.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1137885464.9170.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 17:34 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 22:28 +0000, cdr wrote: > > On Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 05:25:11PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 05:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > I do run iTunes and Quicken under Wine > > > > > > I've been meaning to ask, how well does iTunes work for you under Wine? > > > Can I take a stack of CDs, "Import CD", then "Update ipod" and have it > > > Just Work? > > > > > > What's the best native Linux way to rip a bunch of CDs and load them > > > onto an ipod (GUI please, don't tell me to use a bunch of shell scripts > > > - it has to be as easy for my girlfriend to use as itunes)? > > > > grip is incredibly simple, just pop in a cd and it does the rest..no clicking even necessary > > gtkpod can then throw them on the ipod > > Argh, that's 2 apps. There isn't a single app that can rip CDs then > load them onto the ipod? cdda2wav ...options... -o /where/your/ipod/is/mounted or something like that From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sat Jan 21 18:20:03 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sat Jan 21 18:16:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Basics In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0601211513o56f3e70eh47037fa1c9539cf4@mail.gmail.com> References: <43D2B15A.3090500@softhome.net> <1137882213.9170.122.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43D2B820.1000708@gmx.net> <5bdc1c8b0601211513o56f3e70eh47037fa1c9539cf4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1137885603.9170.126.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 15:13 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 1/21/06, Michael T D Nelson wrote: > > Paul Davis wrote: > > > you need hdspmixer, which is in one of the alsapackages. alsamixer and > > > other tools have no way to handle the idea of a matrix mixer. otoh, > > > hdspmixer is very complex - be sure to read docs on the RME site, since > > > it works identically (same bitmaps etc) as the win/mac version. > > > > Did I read recently that hdspmixer should also work for Digi9636/52 > > cards, but doesn't at the moment? > > > > I have a Digi9636, but currently have no way of changing any settings on > > the card, as far as I know. > > > > Regards > > Michael > > > > I use hdspmixer on my HDSP 9652 every day. As for settings you need to > change those using hdspconf. he wants to use it on a digi9632 or digi9652, not an hdsp. until thomas c. reappears from the haze of berlin, or someone else steps up to do it, it isn't going to happen. sorry. its not hard, but it is work. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jan 21 18:17:36 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jan 21 18:17:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE + audio experiences ? In-Reply-To: <1137885464.9170.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43D220DD.6020700@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0601210536n466d97b4uc37f1f353f49edcf@mail.gmail.com> <1137882311.411.28.camel@mindpipe> <20060121222858.GB2138@replic.net> <1137882898.411.32.camel@mindpipe> <1137885464.9170.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1137885457.411.53.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 18:17 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 17:34 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 22:28 +0000, cdr wrote: > > > On Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 05:25:11PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 05:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > I do run iTunes and Quicken under Wine > > > > > > > > I've been meaning to ask, how well does iTunes work for you under Wine? > > > > Can I take a stack of CDs, "Import CD", then "Update ipod" and have it > > > > Just Work? > > > > > > > > What's the best native Linux way to rip a bunch of CDs and load them > > > > onto an ipod (GUI please, don't tell me to use a bunch of shell scripts > > > > - it has to be as easy for my girlfriend to use as itunes)? > > > > > > grip is incredibly simple, just pop in a cd and it does the rest..no clicking even necessary > > > gtkpod can then throw them on the ipod > > > > Argh, that's 2 apps. There isn't a single app that can rip CDs then > > load them onto the ipod? > > cdda2wav ...options... -o /where/your/ipod/is/mounted > > or something like that > I was asking whether there is a single GUI app where I can insert a CD, click 'Import CD', then click 'Update ipod' and be done. I don't want to worry about where my ipod is mounted. All of the suggestions so far involve a lot more work than I am looking to do. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jan 21 18:19:03 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jan 21 18:19:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE + audio experiences ? In-Reply-To: <1137885464.9170.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43D220DD.6020700@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0601210536n466d97b4uc37f1f353f49edcf@mail.gmail.com> <1137882311.411.28.camel@mindpipe> <20060121222858.GB2138@replic.net> <1137882898.411.32.camel@mindpipe> <1137885464.9170.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1137885544.411.55.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 18:17 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > cdda2wav ...options... -o /where/your/ipod/is/mounted > > or something like that > This also does not transparently compress the audio, I don't want to fill my GF's ipod with .wav files. Lee From dmills at spamblock.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 21 18:47:24 2006 From: dmills at spamblock.demon.co.uk (Dan Mills) Date: Sat Jan 21 18:47:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Basics In-Reply-To: <43D2B771.3020408@gmail.com> References: <43D2B15A.3090500@softhome.net> <1137882213.9170.122.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43D2B771.3020408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <60334C30-3460-41B4-8409-4F058D93D1CC@spamblock.demon.co.uk> On 21 Jan 2006, at 22:36, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > >i am not sure you can get 192KHz from the existing ALSA driver. 192 does work, but note that you have to set it up in hdspconf (the thing seems to have separate internal logic for <=96K and >96K as far as I can tell). > Thats ok all I really wanted was 96;) I dont have a reason to go > above that yet myself. I got the 96/32 more for the combination of > analog and digital for the price and the support/quality of it. It is a top bit of kit. > Any idea which alsa package that is in? I believe I have all of > them and all I can find is hdsploader(The firmware loader I believe?) I am not at that box at the moment, but I think it is in alsa_tools? Regards, Dan. From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Jan 21 19:41:15 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Jan 21 19:41:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE + audio experiences ? In-Reply-To: <1137882311.411.28.camel@mindpipe> References: <43D220DD.6020700@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0601210536n466d97b4uc37f1f353f49edcf@mail.gmail.com> <1137882311.411.28.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0601211641n633b5c1budb8d1b620ff38fac@mail.gmail.com> On 1/21/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 05:36 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > I do run iTunes and Quicken under Wine > > I've been meaning to ask, how well does iTunes work for you under Wine? > Can I take a stack of CDs, "Import CD", then "Update ipod" and have it > Just Work? I cannot speak to iPod stuff as I don't own one. Sorry. My understanding is that the answer would be 'No, it doesn't work', but maybe someone else will have a better answer. As for iTunes I use it only for playing their radio stations. My music collection is ogg based and so far iTunes didn't seem to recognize it. iTunes under Linux woll not, and probably will never, write CDs. Also, under Crossover Office, where I use iTunes