From pieterp at joow.be Sat Jul 1 05:55:28 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Sat Jul 1 05:55:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] MOTU Traveler ! opinions !? In-Reply-To: <87ejx63kb3.fsf@mixandgo.ro> References: <87ejx63kb3.fsf@mixandgo.ro> Message-ID: <44A64690.50102@joow.be> cezar@mixandgo.ro wrote: > Hello list, > > A friend of mine is thinking in buying a MOUT Traveler. I've looked > online at it, and it seems like a great interface but I have some > questions: > > 1. Is it supported by linux ? Not yet, but somebody's currently working on it. freebob 2.0 will have (some) motu support due to a massive reverse engineering effort. However, it will be reverse engineered support, hence not as good as manufacturer backed support. If you find linux support important, please choose an interface from a manufacturer that does support linux development. Pieter Palmers FreeBoB developer From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Jul 1 13:20:55 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Jul 1 13:16:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new tune #3 In-Reply-To: <20060629143726.kswgj2au1f0gwoww@webmail.conorotuama.com> References: <20060629143726.kswgj2au1f0gwoww@webmail.conorotuama.com> Message-ID: <20060701182055.721ac81c@office> On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:37:26 +0100 Conor O'Tuama wrote: > > Hi now :-) > > Here's a new tune, recorded using Ardour, hope 'tis not too offensive > to the ears ! Tnx to all Linux Audio Developers/Users once again ! > (off I go to clean up my Slackware installation.....long day ahead....). > > http://conorotuama.com/ice_on_a_wasteland.ogg > Just like to add my comments to everyone else's :0) A nice piece of work, good tune and very cleanly presented. -- Will J G From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Sat Jul 1 10:23:40 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sat Jul 1 15:20:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Please, help with this JACK crappy noise! Message-ID: <200607011623.41047.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Hi, Many Musix's users have this problem: in a moment, JACK's apps begins to make some continuous crappy noise. So I see JACK messages and I can debug it a little: [no noise] load = 44.3842 max usecs: 1267.000, spare = 1635.000 load = 44.9522 max usecs: 1321.000, spare = 1581.000 load = 44.3059 max usecs: 1267.000, spare = 1635.000 load = 44.1895 max usecs: 1279.000, spare = 1623.000 load = 44.3552 max usecs: 1292.000, spare = 1610.000 load = 45.0584 max usecs: 1328.000, spare = 1574.000 [noise] load = 61.8986 max usecs: 2285.000, spare = 617.000 load = 68.7853 max usecs: 2196.000, spare = 706.000 load = 80.8778 max usecs: 2698.000, spare = 204.000 load = 80.6353 max usecs: 2333.000, spare = 569.000 load = 79.3080 max usecs: 2263.000, spare = 639.000 load = 79.1096 max usecs: 2290.000, spare = 612.000 load = 79.6650 max usecs: 2328.000, spare = 574.000 load = 78.5989 max usecs: 2250.000, spare = 652.000 load = 76.1017 max usecs: 2136.000, spare = 766.000 load = 64.8082 max usecs: 1553.000, spare = 1349.000 [no noise] load = 51.3738 max usecs: 1101.000, spare = 1801.000 load = 43.9157 max usecs: 1058.000, spare = 1844.000 load = 40.1867 max usecs: 1058.000, spare = 1844.000 So, what's about this "max usecs:" and "spare"? What does it means? It happends with any kind of kernels, realtime patched or not, with any JACK setup, and with a system that has been tuned to achieve hi performance with JACK (rtirq, etc.) When I disable the capture ports into JACK, it almost doesn't happens... Could you help us? Thanks in advance... -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * Descarga el CD de Musix: (www.musix.org.ar) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From conor at conorotuama.com Sun Jul 2 11:48:05 2006 From: conor at conorotuama.com (Conor O'Tuama) Date: Sun Jul 2 11:48:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A new tune #3 In-Reply-To: <20060701182055.721ac81c@office> References: <20060629143726.kswgj2au1f0gwoww@webmail.conorotuama.com> <20060701182055.721ac81c@office> Message-ID: <20060702164805.7b6n2d4tjfokkokg@webmail.conorotuama.com> Quoting Folderol : > On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:37:26 +0100 > Conor O'Tuama wrote: > >> >> Hi now :-) >> >> Here's a new tune, recorded using Ardour, hope 'tis not too offensive >> to the ears ! Tnx to all Linux Audio Developers/Users once again ! >> (off I go to clean up my Slackware installation.....long day ahead....). >> >> http://conorotuama.com/ice_on_a_wasteland.ogg >> > Just like to add my comments to everyone else's :0) > > A nice piece of work, good tune and very cleanly presented. > > -- > Will J G > Cheers Folderol :-) -- Visit www.conorotuama.com From capocasa at gmx.net Sun Jul 2 12:59:53 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sun Jul 2 13:00:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ZynAddSubFX Dynebolic 2.0 Message-ID: Can anybody tell me how to use ZynAddSubFX with Dynebolic 2.0 please? Carlo From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 2 15:11:00 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Sun Jul 2 15:11:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [desktop] volume-control dockapp? In-Reply-To: <20060629060801.GO10056@replic.net> References: <20060629060801.GO10056@replic.net> Message-ID: <44A81A44.4050800@sbcglobal.net> carmen wrote: > wmix, wmmixer, and wmsmixer: portage's short description claims all 3 support ALSA. one fails on "XpmError: XpmOpenFailed (.1986-2)" and the others fail on "no such device /dev/mixer", while -d hw:0,0(,0) just sends them for a loop > > gnome-panel has the perfect volume control, but then gnome-settings-daemon launches and screws up all the fonts, not to mention chews 15 or 30 mb of ram. and when you kill gnome-settings-daemon, the volume control button _disappears_ from the panel, while the other stuff stays > > in summary, is there a volume control for fluxbox that actually works? > > I use keyboard shortcuts for volume control in fluxbox. take a look at this: http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php/Howto_edit_the_keys_file if you want some visual feedback on your mixer, you can set up a keyboard shortcut to launch good ole' alsamixer. something like Mod4 m :Exec xterm -e alsamixer here is the ~/.fluxbox/keys file i'm using on my laptop. Mod4 t :exec aterm Mod4 space :ShowDesktop Mod4 x :ExecCommand xmmsXclip Mod4 e :exec printenv | xmessage -file - Mod4 Print :ExecCommand gnome-screenshot none XF86AudioMute :exec amixer sset Master toggle none XF86AudioLowerVolume :exec amixer sset Master 1- none XF86AudioRaiseVolume :exec amixer sset Master 1+ none XF86WWW :exec firefox Mod4 m :exec xterm -e alsamixer The pretty little volume up, volume down keys work, thanks to the gentoo wiki. /brian From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Sun Jul 2 16:16:26 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Sun Jul 2 16:16:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [admin] linux-audio-* maintainer wanted... In-Reply-To: <449ACFF6.9050501@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <006501c69e14$66f6c260$6602a8c0@64BitBadass> Congrats Joern! BTW, does this mean that LA* lists might a new host? Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Joern Nettingsmeier > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:15 PM > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu; linux-audio- > dev@music.columbia.edu > Cc: nettings@folkwang-hochschule.de > Subject: [linux-audio-user] [admin] linux-audio-* maintainer wanted... > > hi guys! > > > due to post-academic stress syndrome (read: i'm getting a real job ;), i > would like to resign from being maintainer of the linux-audio-* lists. > lately i haven't been able to keep up with the lists as much as i would > have liked to, and i feel it's time for new people to take over. > > if you'd like to volunteer, holler now :) > > i'm leaving on a four-week iceland trip in about a week, and if no-one > has expressed their interest by then, i would be very glad if somebody > could at least step forward to tend to the lists for a month or so... > > as an added bonus, there is also the job of cleaning up the old > lad.linuxaudio.org page, throwing out all the obsolete stuff (i.e. > everything except the subscription information and the contrib/ section) > and maybe linking to all the excellent documentation efforts elsewhere :) > > > i hope to stay in contact with the linux audio community in the future, > and i will definitely do some volunteer work for next year's linux audio > conference in berlin, but my life has moved away from studio work to > live audio engineering, systems administration and (ugh) web content > management... > > > > all the best, > > j?rn > > > > > > -- > j?rn nettingsmeier > > home://germany/45128 essen/lortzingstr. 11/ > http://spunk.dnsalias.org > phone://+49/201/491621 > > if you are a free (as in "free speech") software developer > and you happen to be travelling near my home, drop me a line > and come round for a free (as in "free beer") beer. :-D From fbar at footils.org Sun Jul 2 16:25:55 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Jul 2 16:26:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [desktop] volume-control dockapp? In-Reply-To: <44A81A44.4050800@sbcglobal.net> References: <20060629060801.GO10056@replic.net> <44A81A44.4050800@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20060702202555.GE17000@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Brian Dunn hat gesagt: // Brian Dunn wrote: > carmen wrote: > >wmix, wmmixer, and wmsmixer: portage's short description claims all 3 > >support ALSA. one fails on "XpmError: XpmOpenFailed (.1986-2)" and the > >others fail on "no such device /dev/mixer", while -d hw:0,0(,0) just sends > >them for a loop > >gnome-panel has the perfect volume control, but then gnome-settings-daemon > >launches and screws up all the fonts, not to mention chews 15 or 30 mb of > >ram. and when you kill gnome-settings-daemon, the volume control button > >_disappears_ from the panel, while the other stuff stays > > > >in summary, is there a volume control for fluxbox that actually works? > > > > > I use keyboard shortcuts for volume control in fluxbox. take a look at this: > http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php/Howto_edit_the_keys_file Another solution can be hotkeys: http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/hotkeys It catches events from special keys on many keyboards and starts user-defined programs. It also can set the mixer and displays a nice volume slider as an on-screen-display-bar (OSD). Unfortunatly it seems, this is hardcoded to use the old OSS-mixer interface so it won't work with for example the M-Audio Audiophile that I have in my main machine but I'm using hotkeys on my laptop. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From hardbop200 at gmail.com Sun Jul 2 19:23:02 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Sun Jul 2 19:23:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ZynAddSubFX Dynebolic 2.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/2/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Can anybody tell me how to use ZynAddSubFX with Dynebolic 2.0 please? > > Carlo Carlo, I did some checking around some time back on my dyne:II install, and I couldn't find it. My guess is that it was left out. Supposedly, compiling new apps in dyne:II is easy, but I've never tried it. Give the dyne:II mailing list a shout, they should be able to help you. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Mon Jul 3 08:13:41 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Mon Jul 3 08:14:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Call for all LA projects Message-ID: <000301c69e9a$210cd880$6602a8c0@64BitBadass> Linuxaudio.org is getting ready to announce new memberships in the coming weeks. For this reason, I would like to invite all Linux Audio projects and its members, as well as other allied projects, institutions, companies, and hardware vendors to consider joining our organization. HOW TO JOIN Simply send an e-mail to ico at linuxaudio dot org stating your interest to join. There are no dues or hidden costs and the membership can be terminated at any time via member's written request. BENEFITS As the consortium grows, we strive to provide a focal, converging point through which we will represent our community, offer new opportunities for collaboration and interaction, represent and preserve interests of the community, as well as serve as a point of contact for commercial industry and hardware vendors. For more info please visit linuxaudio.org or do not hesitate to contact me directly. Best wishes, Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Composition Virginia Tech Dept. of Music - 0240 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-7047 (540) 231-5034 (fax) ico@vt.edu http://www.music.vt.edu/people/faculty/bukvic/ From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Jul 3 09:02:14 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Jul 3 08:50:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <200606281340.35140.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <20060627180034.GA32029@replic.net> <1151431736.2899.82.camel@mindpipe> <200606281340.35140.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> Greetings: First, I want to thank again everyone who suggested parts and suppliers. I scored a great buy on a B-stock Sonata II Antec case with 450W power supply (thanks to Paul W for that tip), and I've ordered my RAM through Crucial (thanks to Mark K and James S for the advice). I haven't yet decided what HD to buy, I see good prices on 320G drives, but I'm tempted to stay with my usual plan and install two drives, maybe two 160G drives. I'm especially interested in finding out if there are particular brands to avoid, and of course I'd like to know the recommended brands. The AMD64 3800 is still holding at ~$145, I'll probably order it today. Btw, the model is named Venice, it's a 2.4 GHz single-core socket 939 CPU, and I assume it's good for my purposes. Please advise if I have other options to explore. I'll also order the Zalman CPU fan recommended by Mark K. I'm really looking forward to putting this machine together. I've been running my antique 800 MHz boat-anchor for so long, I can't imagine what the difference will be like. Very exciting upgrade for Studio Dave. :) Best, dp From james at dis-dot-dat.net Mon Jul 3 09:05:57 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Mon Jul 3 09:06:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <20060627180034.GA32029@replic.net> <1151431736.2899.82.camel@mindpipe> <200606281340.35140.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060703130557.GD25650@fitz.Belkin> On Mon, 03 Jul, 2006 at 09:02AM -0400, Dave Phillips spake thus: > Greetings: > > First, I want to thank again everyone who suggested parts and > suppliers. I scored a great buy on a B-stock Sonata II Antec case with > 450W power supply (thanks to Paul W for that tip), and I've ordered my > RAM through Crucial (thanks to Mark K and James S for the advice). I > haven't yet decided what HD to buy, I see good prices on 320G drives, > but I'm tempted to stay with my usual plan and install two drives, maybe > two 160G drives. I'm especially interested in finding out if there are > particular brands to avoid, and of course I'd like to know the > recommended brands. > > The AMD64 3800 is still holding at ~$145, I'll probably order it > today. Btw, the model is named Venice, it's a 2.4 GHz single-core socket > 939 CPU, and I assume it's good for my purposes. Please advise if I have > other options to explore. > > I'll also order the Zalman CPU fan recommended by Mark K. If this is like mine, make sure to check mobo compatibility! > I'm really looking forward to putting this machine together. I've been > running my antique 800 MHz boat-anchor for so long, I can't imagine what > the difference will be like. Very exciting upgrade for Studio Dave. :) I wish I was upgrading again now. I'ts very pleasing, doing something physical. > Best, > > dp > > From smcameron at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 09:27:49 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Mon Jul 3 09:27:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Gneutronica-0.33 release Message-ID: <20060703132749.74615.qmail@web33014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> [ANN] Gneutronica-0.33 release Homepage: http://gneutronica.sourceforge.net source tar.gz: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gneutronica/gneutronica-0.33.tar.gz?download Changes since 0.32 * Scramble button did not adjust noteoff times -- fixed. * Shortened names of buttons at bottom of pattern window. * Added a way to transpose melodic patterns up or down. * Made the piano notes a little wider * Added ability to mute MIDI channels and tracks (in case you want to record those parts separately so they may be mixed independently later.) * Fixed remapping of drumkits to not screw up melodic patterns * Fuxed bug that freshly loaded songs didn't have noteoff data * Made noteoff get sent when program quits. -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From perodog at gmx.net Mon Jul 3 09:59:48 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Mon Jul 3 09:58:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Gneutronica-0.33 release In-Reply-To: <20060703132749.74615.qmail@web33014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060703132749.74615.qmail@web33014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44A922D4.4040004@gmx.net> hi, i wanted to try this, but choosing no matter which mirror on SF, i get some bad file: nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/gneutr$ tar xvzf gneutronica-0.33.tar.gz ./gneutronica-0.33/ ./gneutronica-0.33/documentation/ ./gneutronica-0.33/documentation/gneutronica.html ./gneutronica-0.33/documentation/pattern_editor1.png ./gneutronica-0.33/documentation/gneutronica_jack_connection.png ./gneutronica-0.33/documentation/arranger_window.png ./gneutronica-0.33/documentation/gneutronica_logo.png ./gneutronica-0.33/documentation/drumkit_editor.png gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file tar: Unerwartetes Dateiende im Archiv. tar: Unerwartetes Dateiende im Archiv. tar: Nicht behebbarer Fehler: Programmabbruch. nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/gneutr$ cheers, doc Stephen Cameron wrote: >[ANN] Gneutronica-0.33 release > >Homepage: http://gneutronica.sourceforge.net >source tar.gz: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gneutronica/gneutronica-0.33.tar.gz?download > >Changes since 0.32 > > * Scramble button did not adjust noteoff times -- fixed. > * Shortened names of buttons at bottom of pattern window. > * Added a way to transpose melodic patterns up or down. > * Made the piano notes a little wider > * Added ability to mute MIDI channels and tracks (in case > you want to record those parts separately so they may be > mixed independently later.) > * Fixed remapping of drumkits to not screw up melodic patterns > * Fuxed bug that freshly loaded songs didn't have noteoff data > * Made noteoff get sent when program quits. > >-- steve > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jul 3 10:17:14 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jul 3 10:17:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <20060627180034.GA32029@replic.net> <1151431736.2899.82.camel@mindpipe> <200606281340.35140.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607030717r494f7eamb1af653fc10a0e5d@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > I > haven't yet decided what HD to buy, I see good prices on 320G drives, > but I'm tempted to stay with my usual plan and install two drives, maybe > two 160G drives. I'm especially interested in finding out if there are > particular brands to avoid, and of course I'd like to know the > recommended brands. > While I nominally do not like the idea of two drives as it most certainly will cause more noise, one nice longer term option you can look toward is that if you put two drives in today, using one as a system drive and the second as an audio drive, should you get interested later you can take the audio drive, place it in a 1394 drive enclosure and move the drive external to the box. Once you do this you can use your Ardour sessions on other machines as well as install the laptop toolset and spin down the system drive completely for less noise. Good luck with however you go. - Mark From smcameron at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 12:40:48 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Mon Jul 3 12:40:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Gneutronica-0.33 release In-Reply-To: <44A922D4.4040004@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20060703164048.81096.qmail@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dragan Noveski wrote: > hi, > i wanted to try this, but choosing no matter which mirror on SF, i get > some bad file: [...] Oh, Argh. Apparently the tar.gz file got truncated somehow during or after the upload and I failed to notice FTP complaining when I uploaded it, I guess. First time I've ever had any trouble like that on sourceforge. It should be fixed now. (don't know how long the fix will take to get to all the source forge mirrors... the size of the file gneutronica-0.33.tar.gz is supposed to be 706499 bytes, if it's something different (400k or so), it's wrong. -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From seablaede at gmail.com Mon Jul 3 14:38:06 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Mon Jul 3 13:33:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <20060627180034.GA32029@replic.net> <1151431736.2899.82.camel@mindpipe> <200606281340.35140.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44A9640E.3040305@gmail.com> > I haven't yet decided what HD to buy, I see good prices on 320G drives, but I'm tempted to stay with my usual plan and install two drives, maybe two 160G drives. I'm especially interested in finding out if there are particular brands to avoid, and of course I'd like to know the recommended brands. For HDs there are two I would reccomend. The first being Seagate, and they probably have the upper hand at the moment with thier newer drives and the price per storage(750 GB for 450 dollars aint bad;) The other I would reccomend is Hitachi. Those are the two brands I use in all of my machines on any regular basis. Once in a while I might get Maxtor or someone like that if I am just backing stuff onto it, pulling it out and not touching it again;) Seablade From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jul 3 13:57:08 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jul 3 13:57:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44A9640E.3040305@gmail.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <20060627180034.GA32029@replic.net> <1151431736.2899.82.camel@mindpipe> <200606281340.35140.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <44A9640E.3040305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607031057lbcb5da9w40c5c3cb79530813@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/06, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > > I haven't yet decided what HD to buy, I see good prices on 320G drives, but I'm tempted to stay with my usual plan and install two drives, maybe two 160G drives. I'm especially interested in finding out if there are particular brands to avoid, and of course I'd like to know the recommended brands. > > > For HDs there are two I would reccomend. The first being Seagate, and > they probably have the upper hand at the moment with thier newer drives > and the price per storage(750 GB for 450 dollars aint bad;) > The other I would reccomend is Hitachi. Just goes to show......the only two drives I've had bring-up problems with in the last couple of years were a Hitachi I got from Fry's and a bunch of low-end Seagate drives I got from New Egg. I do have some 80GB Seagates in each of the 3 MythTV frontend only machines here and they are workign fine so far... I'm currently running Maxtors and IBMs in my studio machines which until recently were running very well. I am just now starting to have trouble with an older Maxtor since upgrading to 2.6.17-rt1. This drive is in an external 1394 case and holds my ripped CD collection. Just in the last few weeks I've lost a number of songs. No big deal as I can rerip them but the drive is ext3 and the journal didn't/isn't/hasn't/won't do anything to fix the problems. The songs are just messed up according to fsck. Bummer. > > Those are the two brands I use in all of my machines on any regular > basis. Once in a while I might get Maxtor or someone like that if I am > just backing stuff onto it, pulling it out and not touching it again;) > > Seablade > Strange how the picture can look so different to individuals. Glad they worked well for you! Cheers, Mark From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Mon Jul 3 09:52:02 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Mon Jul 3 14:50:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] test Message-ID: <200607031552.02694.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> does it works? thanks -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * Descarga el CD de Musix: (www.musix.org.ar) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From arnold.krille at gmail.com Mon Jul 3 15:35:16 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Mon Jul 3 15:36:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: test In-Reply-To: <200607031552.02694.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200607031552.02694.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80607031235p60a81f53la9348850c9b52ba8@mail.gmail.com> 2006/7/3, Marcos Guglielmetti : > does it works? and word too... Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From vincent at radiopytagor.com Mon Jul 3 16:23:18 2006 From: vincent at radiopytagor.com (Vincent Tabard) Date: Mon Jul 3 16:23:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motorola DSP56303 (Digigram PCX22v2) and ALSA Message-ID: <44A97CB6.6040506@radiopytagor.com> Hello everyone, I was wondering whether my Digigram PCX22v2 would work with my Ubuntu... According to the soundcard matrix, a few Digigram soundcards using Motorola DSPs work with ALSA. Has anyone been successful with Digigram's PCX22 and Linux? :) Regards, Vincent Tabard Radio Pytagor : http://www.radiopytagor.com/ From seablaede at gmail.com Mon Jul 3 18:01:28 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Mon Jul 3 16:57:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607031057lbcb5da9w40c5c3cb79530813@mail.gmail.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <20060627180034.GA32029@replic.net> <1151431736.2899.82.camel@mindpipe> <200606281340.35140.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <44A9640E.3040305@gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607031057lbcb5da9w40c5c3cb79530813@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44A993B8.7040208@gmail.com> > > Strange how the picture can look so different to individuals. Glad > they worked well for you! Indeed it is;) I tend to stick with Seagate not only because I havent had problems with reliability, but also for noise reasons as well. But then again as we have already established YMMV;) Ah well to each their own. Seablade From _ at whats-your.name Mon Jul 3 17:08:26 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Mon Jul 3 17:07:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44A993B8.7040208@gmail.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <20060627180034.GA32029@replic.net> <1151431736.2899.82.camel@mindpipe> <200606281340.35140.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <44A9640E.3040305@gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607031057lbcb5da9w40c5c3cb79530813@mail.gmail.com> <44A993B8.7040208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060703210826.GC8106@replic.net> On Mon Jul 03, 2006 at 03:01:28PM -0700, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > >Strange how the picture can look so different to individuals. Glad > >they worked well for you! > > Indeed it is;) > > I tend to stick with Seagate i tend to stick with Samsung. none of them have failed. but then none are older than 2 or 3 years either. seagates are my second choice, but theyre hotter, louder, and more expensive.. From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Mon Jul 3 18:27:01 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Mon Jul 3 18:26:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44A9640E.3040305@gmail.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <20060627180034.GA32029@replic.net> <1151431736.2899.82.camel@mindpipe> <"200 6 06281340.35140.tech"@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <44A9640E.3040305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44A999B5.6060008@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thomas Vecchione escribi?: >> I haven't yet decided what HD to buy, I see good prices on 320G >> drives, but I'm tempted to stay with my usual plan and install >> two drives, maybe two 160G drives. I'm especially interested in >> finding out if there are particular brands to avoid, and of >> course I'd like to know the recommended brands. > > > For HDs there are two I would reccomend. The first being Seagate, > and they probably have the upper hand at the moment with thier > newer drives and the price per storage(750 GB for 450 dollars aint > bad;) The other I would reccomend is Hitachi. > > Those are the two brands I use in all of my machines on any regular > basis. Once in a while I might get Maxtor or someone like that if > I am just backing stuff onto it, pulling it out and not touching it > again;) > > Seablade > I've heard of people having trouble with their Western Digital drives, but I have had none, I've also extensively used Seagate, Maxtor and Western Digital drives, all just fine. At the price/storage/performance ratio of these drives, I would have to say that Western Digital drives take an edge over the others (for ATA-1x0), for S-ATA, I've no much experience with them... I have one Seagate 120Gb S-ATA 150 drive working just fine. - From other computers I've used, seems like Samsung drives are bit slower than Seagates and Maxtors, and the fastest drives I've used had been ATA-133 Maxtors (even beating S-ATA 150 Seagate drives), however the one I own is ATA-100, so I can't comment much on that... Sadly down here in Mexico the prices are a bit steep and I usually buy Western Digital due to storage/performance/price ratio. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEqZm0XM+XOp70dwoRAuw+AKCNXmqJaTFNmwygkqsB6k1sapF53QCeKwvA 6E08w4JqWU/JPJ4pJ4j4aF0= =8zz0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From perodog at gmx.net Mon Jul 3 18:57:13 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Mon Jul 3 18:55:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Gneutronica-0.33 release In-Reply-To: <20060703164048.81096.qmail@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060703164048.81096.qmail@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44A9A0C9.4010508@gmx.net> ok, thank stephen, downloading and compiling works good now, but when i start from xterm "gneutronica", i get th eprog started, but there are no audio outputs on it (and also only midi outputs), so arranging the instrument seems to be easy, but playing the loop, no sound?! is there another way to start? what am i doing wrong? cheers, doc Stephen Cameron wrote: >--- Dragan Noveski wrote: > > > >>hi, >>i wanted to try this, but choosing no matter which mirror on SF, i get >>some bad file: >> >> >[...] > >Oh, Argh. Apparently the tar.gz file got truncated somehow during >or after the upload and I failed to notice FTP complaining >when I uploaded it, I guess. First time I've ever had any >trouble like that on sourceforge. It should be fixed now. >(don't know how long the fix will take to get to all the source >forge mirrors... the size of the file gneutronica-0.33.tar.gz >is supposed to be 706499 bytes, if it's something different >(400k or so), it's wrong. > >-- steve > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From _ at whats-your.name Mon Jul 3 20:24:28 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Mon Jul 3 20:23:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44A999B5.6060008@prodigy.net.mx> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <20060627180034.GA32029@replic.net> <1151431736.2899.82.camel@mindpipe> <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <44A9640E.3040305@gmail.com> <44A999B5.6060008@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <20060704002428.GE8106@replic.net> > I've heard of people having trouble with their Western Digital drives, > but I have had none, I've also extensively used Seagate, Maxtor and > Western Digital drives, all just fine. ive had 2 western digital drives. one was somehow fried by the controller. the other sounded like a jet engine taking off. ive had one maxtor, it died. ive heard more stories of maxtors failing than any other, but thats just because the kind of people who use them buy them beacuse theyre cheap, then put them in use on a heavy-traffic ftp site or something. its probably a cost-effective way to go if you use a RAID or build in redundancy via nightly rsync \ darcs synch ive never had a quantum die. everyone i have still runs, including a 40 mb, and a 1 gb, and a 4 gb. one of them is from 1992. but theyre all SCSI, so i dont ahve much use for them now that i gave away my Macs. From jack.oquin at gmail.com Mon Jul 3 21:07:45 2006 From: jack.oquin at gmail.com (Jack O'Quin) Date: Mon Jul 3 21:08:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <20060704002428.GE8106@replic.net> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <20060627180034.GA32029@replic.net> <1151431736.2899.82.camel@mindpipe> <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <44A9640E.3040305@gmail.com> <44A999B5.6060008@prodigy.net.mx> <20060704002428.GE8106@replic.net> Message-ID: On 7/3/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > > I've heard of people having trouble with their Western Digital drives, > > but I have had none, I've also extensively used Seagate, Maxtor and > > Western Digital drives, all just fine. > > ive had 2 western digital drives. one was somehow fried by the controller. the other sounded like a jet engine taking off. ive had one maxtor, it died. ive heard more stories of maxtors failing than any other, but thats just because the kind of people who use them buy them beacuse theyre cheap, then put them in use on a heavy-traffic ftp site or something. its probably a cost-effective way to go if you use a RAID or build in redundancy via nightly rsync \ darcs synch > > ive never had a quantum die. everyone i have still runs, including a 40 mb, and a 1 gb, and a 4 gb. one of them is from 1992. but theyre all SCSI, so i dont ahve much use for them now that i gave away my Macs. > We all have anecdotes about good and bad disks we have known. My impression is that all the manufacturers have trouble with various new technology at various times. I've heard good and bad stories about them all from time to time through the years. -- joq From smcameron at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 22:07:27 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Mon Jul 3 22:07:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Gneutronica-0.33 release In-Reply-To: <44A9A0C9.4010508@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20060704020727.89233.qmail@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dragan Noveski wrote: > ok, thank stephen, downloading and compiling works good now, > but when i start from xterm "gneutronica", i get th eprog started, but > there are no audio outputs on it (and also only midi outputs), so > arranging the instrument seems to be easy, but playing the loop, no sound?! > is there another way to start? > what am i doing wrong? Nothing, you aren't doing anything wrong. Gneutronica is strictly MIDI, there is no audio output. If you want host-based audio, you need to run a MIDI controllable softsynth, (e.g fluidsynth is one I've messed around with successfully) and find some percussion sound fonts, and drive the softsynth with gneutronica. Or, load some soundfonts into your soundcard, and drive that via MIDI. You will want to make a drumkit file, if the soundfont doesn't conform to GM (General MIDI) drum mappings. There is a whiff of documentation here, just point your browser... file:///usr/local/share/gneutronica/documentation/gneutronica.html There are a number of UI idiosyncracies you are unlikely to discover without reading that, btw. Yeah, setting all that up is kind of a pain, compared to how hydrogen just fires up and makes sounds right away. Keep in mind, I wrote this to drive MIDI hardware. Softsynths were a nice bonus. I have not found many decent soundfonts though. I haven't looked very hard though, as I have decent MIDI hardware I can use. Doesn't mean there aren't any... NSKit, http://www.naturalstudio.co.uk/ gets mentioned a lot, but I haven't the patience to download the monstrosity over dialup, LOL. If you have hydrogen installed, you might be able to drive it with gneutronica (though that might be kind of silly, unless you're using gneutronica for the handful of things it can do that hydrogen can't do, weird timing being the main one, and for all I know perhaps that has changed since I last checked on h2.) My motivation for writing this thing was partly due to having three different, pretty expensive MIDI devices lying around and no good (in my subjective view anyway) software to drive them with for drums. So the target user for gneutronica is very slightly different than the target user of Hydrogen. Hope that helps, -- steve > cheers, > doc > > > > Stephen Cameron wrote: > > >--- Dragan Noveski wrote: > > > > > > > >>hi, > >>i wanted to try this, but choosing no matter which mirror on SF, i get > >>some bad file: > >> > >> > >[...] > > > >Oh, Argh. Apparently the tar.gz file got truncated somehow during > >or after the upload and I failed to notice FTP complaining > >when I uploaded it, I guess. First time I've ever had any > >trouble like that on sourceforge. It should be fixed now. > >(don't know how long the fix will take to get to all the source > >forge mirrors... the size of the file gneutronica-0.33.tar.gz > >is supposed to be 706499 bytes, if it's something different > >(400k or so), it's wrong. > > > >-- steve > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From downerczx at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 00:06:25 2006 From: downerczx at yahoo.com (DCZX) Date: Tue Jul 4 00:06:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] aseqjoy - modulation and pitch? Message-ID: <20060704040625.18559.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a basic midi keyboard with no modulation or pitch bend wheels. I downloaded and compiled aseqjoy and was hoping to set up my x axis on my joystick as modulation and the y as pitch. However, I have no idea where to start doing this. Does anyone have an idea of where to start? thank you __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Jul 4 02:21:03 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Jul 4 02:21:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Gneutronica-0.33 release In-Reply-To: <20060704020727.89233.qmail@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <44A9A0C9.4010508@gmx.net> <20060704020727.89233.qmail@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 7/4/06, Stephen Cameron wrote: > --- Dragan Noveski wrote: > > > ok, thank stephen, downloading and compiling works good now, > > but when i start from xterm "gneutronica", i get th eprog started, but > > there are no audio outputs on it (and also only midi outputs), so > > arranging the instrument seems to be easy, but playing the loop, no > sound?! > > is there another way to start? > > what am i doing wrong? > > Nothing, you aren't doing anything wrong. > > Gneutronica is strictly MIDI, there is no audio output. If you want > host-based audio, you need to run a MIDI controllable softsynth, (e.g > fluidsynth is one I've messed around with successfully) and find some > percussion sound fonts, and drive the softsynth with gneutronica. > > Or, load some soundfonts into your soundcard, and drive that > via MIDI. You will want to make a drumkit file, if the soundfont > doesn't conform to GM (General MIDI) drum mappings. > You might also be able to drive a certain drum synth.... http://smack.berlios.de ;) Loki From _ at whats-your.name Tue Jul 4 02:36:14 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Tue Jul 4 02:35:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] aqualung BBOOMability In-Reply-To: <20060630142800.GA5308@r51> References: <44A4F47D.3010201@gmail.com> <1151677093.32444.17.camel@mindpipe> <20060630142800.GA5308@r51> Message-ID: <20060704063614.GA11080@replic.net> hi Tom, users..heres a bit of a diary of the hurdles i ran into when trying Aqualung, perhaps useful as a set of 'fresh eyes'.. my intorudction is a distinct frowning on my attempts to merely launch aqualing. that is, if no arguments are supplied, it simply fails instead of picking some that might work... like -o alsa -ddefault -p 2048 or whatever. amongst audio players this is a rarity. i think even alsaplayer defaults to jack with no arguments.. after figuring out working startup arguments. as an ex-amarok user, im a bit confused what the Music Store is. i tried adding /music, where my music is stored, to the list, and it said 'directory exists, add in Preferences'. so i add it in preferences, and it says 'error: is a directory'. so then i pull up aqualung's website, and find out its an xml database. so i figure i'll make a directory /var/lib/aqualung. finally it lets me add it without error. but theres no properties dialog to set paths where the actual music is. or at least i can't find it. since the store showed up titled 'Music Store' and not the name i gave it, leading me to believe it was the column header and not the store itself. at least, i only tried right clicking in the blank area delving into the manual. and quickly notice something else. there a bit of a standard for keyboard shortcuts in audio players, at least winamp, amarok, foobar2000, and audacious. in aqualung theyre completely different, so im going to have to try to learn them, or figure out how to map my beloved Z,X,C,V,B. after reading the bit on music store, it seems to discuss a manual curation process. i create an artist called 'all collection', and try adding some music. well, it only lets me pick files from a single dir, with no recursion. that might be how i operated, if i was meticulously ripping LPS off the Rega, maybe one or two a week. what is this, 1971! so at this point, unless theres something ive missed, it seems the only way im going to be able to use aqualung is by dropping the entire /music dir onto the playlist. or importing a pregenerated playlist. i try that first. its a file generated with gnu find (takes a few seconds) with an absolute path to all the audio files, one per line. none of the weird #extinf crap that winamp puts in. it works in audacious, but even there, i no longer need it as it has a 'don't scan any metadata until play time' option. i just still have the bash alias around...anyways, the playlist remains blank , on multiple load attempts. simply nothing happens. so my last recourse is dump the entire music dir into the playlist. and hope that it will automatically populate the music store with names via the ID3/FLAC tags as i play them. here again, i run into a hurdle. it wont let me just select the music dir. so, i fire up nautilus, which isnt even in my fluxbox menuy since i use graphical file browsers so rarely, in an attempt to do drag'n'drop. well, i try to drop it, and it zooms right back to where i dragged from. at this point, i gave up. every possible thing that could stand between me and using aqualung for what it was conceivable designed for, did. im sure for others its more a case of 'works for me'. thats what makes the community so great...diversity :) who knows...maybe i'll try it again some time.... c From dave at pawfal.org Tue Jul 4 04:47:34 2006 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Tue Jul 4 04:47:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] openlab2 video Message-ID: <51281.193.203.82.226.1152002854.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> hi all, a few months ago we had a little event for free software orientated performances, this is a movie documenting what happened: http://goto10.org/~openlab/57uff/openlab2_2006.avi more info: http://openlab.pawfal.org cheers, dave From perodog at gmx.net Tue Jul 4 04:56:49 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Tue Jul 4 04:55:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Gneutronica-0.33 release In-Reply-To: References: <44A9A0C9.4010508@gmx.net> <20060704020727.89233.qmail@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44AA2D51.8030505@gmx.net> all right, thanks for your help guys, the last suggestion sounds for me mostly interesting, since i dont have any hw-synth here, so i got finaly smack making sound now, for the fisrst time. in the moment, there are sn808 and sn 909 running, triggerd by gneutronica. i ll experiment with this now for longer and make some more comments, thanks a lot for the support and cheers, doc ps. i think it is not very easy to handle with, but enormous sound! Loki Davison wrote: > On 7/4/06, Stephen Cameron wrote: > >> --- Dragan Noveski wrote: >> >> > ok, thank stephen, downloading and compiling works good now, >> > but when i start from xterm "gneutronica", i get th eprog started, but >> > there are no audio outputs on it (and also only midi outputs), so >> > arranging the instrument seems to be easy, but playing the loop, no >> sound?! >> > is there another way to start? >> > what am i doing wrong? >> >> Nothing, you aren't doing anything wrong. >> >> Gneutronica is strictly MIDI, there is no audio output. If you want >> host-based audio, you need to run a MIDI controllable softsynth, (e.g >> fluidsynth is one I've messed around with successfully) and find some >> percussion sound fonts, and drive the softsynth with gneutronica. >> >> Or, load some soundfonts into your soundcard, and drive that >> via MIDI. You will want to make a drumkit file, if the soundfont >> doesn't conform to GM (General MIDI) drum mappings. >> > > You might also be able to drive a certain drum synth.... > http://smack.berlios.de > > ;) > > Loki > > From mista.tapas at gmx.net Tue Jul 4 05:40:12 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Tue Jul 4 05:40:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] openlab2 video In-Reply-To: <51281.193.203.82.226.1152002854.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> References: <51281.193.203.82.226.1152002854.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: <20060704114012.6a245cb5@mango.fruits> On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:47:34 +0100 (BST) "Dave Griffiths" wrote: > hi all, > > a few months ago we had a little event for free software orientated > performances, this is a movie documenting what happened: > > http://goto10.org/~openlab/57uff/openlab2_2006.avi > > more info: http://openlab.pawfal.org Thanks for that. BTW: who did the opening and end track? Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From atte.jensen at gmail.com Tue Jul 4 07:06:48 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue Jul 4 07:06:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] openlab2 video In-Reply-To: <51281.193.203.82.226.1152002854.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> References: <51281.193.203.82.226.1152002854.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: <44AA4BC8.801@gmail.com> Dave Griffiths wrote: > http://goto10.org/~openlab/57uff/openlab2_2006.avi Nice, thanks for sharing... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From smcameron at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 08:23:14 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Tue Jul 4 08:23:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Gneutronica-0.33 release In-Reply-To: <44AA2D51.8030505@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20060704122315.55477.qmail@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dragan Noveski wrote: > all right, thanks for your help guys, the last suggestion sounds for me > mostly interesting, since i dont have any hw-synth here, so i got finaly > smack making sound now, for the fisrst time. > in the moment, there are sn808 and sn 909 running, triggerd by gneutronica. > > i ll experiment with this now for longer and make some more comments, > thanks a lot for the support and cheers, > doc > > ps. i think it is not very easy to handle with, but enormous sound! Glad to see you got something working. I've been wanting to try smack, but it's got a pretty daunting dependency list that I'd have to work through. -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From d_baron at 012.net.il Tue Jul 4 07:26:55 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Tue Jul 4 08:23:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] XOWave cannot access any audio devices Message-ID: <200607041426.55956.d_baron@012.net.il> Problems about sample rates but no way to set them. Anyone succeded with this? From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Jul 4 09:05:33 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Jul 4 08:54:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] some ALSA questions Message-ID: <44AA679D.1090401@woh.rr.com> Greetings: I'm preparing a final draft of an article re: ALSA and I started wondering about whatever happened to modules.conf. In my old RH9 (2.4 kernel) I was able to freely manipulate the ALSA modules (designate for loading, reorder, set alias, etc) via /etc/modules.conf. Things have changed a lot in 2.6.x, and /etc/modules.conf is apparently not to be edited in Ye Olden Way. Is there a similar single file in the 2.6 file system ? If so, where is it ? On my Debian Etch system I have this file : /etc/modprobe.d/sound It looks like the file to change a la the old-time modules.conf, but my entries have no effect. Is there another file located elsewhere that I should be editing ? Here's my /etc/modprobe.d/sound : alias snd-card-0 snd-ice1712 options snd-ice1712 index=0 alias snd-card-1 snd-emu10k1 options snd-emu10k1 index=1 alias snd-card-2 snd-virmidi options snd-virmidi index=2 Also, what's the status of a user-friendly ALSA control and operations panel that might address such matters as ordering multiple soundcards, write/edit .asoundrc, start/stop ALSA services, etc. ? Is the ALSA development group pursuing anything like that ? Best, dp From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Jul 4 09:00:43 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Jul 4 09:00:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] aqualung BBOOMability In-Reply-To: <20060704063614.GA11080@replic.net> References: <44A4F47D.3010201@gmail.com> <1151677093.32444.17.camel@mindpipe> <20060630142800.GA5308@r51> <20060704063614.GA11080@replic.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607040600q11283cf1rd114168b49f25126@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > after figuring out working startup arguments. as an ex-amarok user, im a bit confused what the Music Store is. i tried adding /music, where my music is stored, to the list, and it said 'directory exists, add in Preferences'. so i add it in preferences, and it says 'error: is a directory'. so then i pull up aqualung's website, and find out its an xml database. so i figure i'll make a directory /var/lib/aqualung. finally it lets me add it without error. but theres no properties dialog to set paths where the actual music is. or at least i can't find it. since the store showed up titled 'Music Store' and not the name i gave it, leading me to believe it was the column header and not the store itself. at least, i only tried right clicking in the blank area Carmen, There are some simple scripts that I sent to this list last week which generate the required Music Store files from a directory of ogg or flac files. Please see the list archives to find them. - Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Jul 4 09:07:06 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Jul 4 09:07:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] some ALSA questions In-Reply-To: <44AA679D.1090401@woh.rr.com> References: <44AA679D.1090401@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607040607l11927bcfq5b4c43cc36ecb680@mail.gmail.com> Hi Dave, On my Gentoo systems (and I think many other distros) it's now modprobe.conf but it's not generally edited directly. On my systems there are subdirectories with numerous files, such as /etc/modules.d/alsa, where you make the entries for the specific type of modules you are interested in. Under Gentoo you then run a program (on Gentoo it's modules-update IIRC) which collects all these files together into /etc/modprobe.conf and at the same time does some checking to ensure things are somewhat correct. HTH, Mark On 7/4/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > I'm preparing a final draft of an article re: ALSA and I started > wondering about whatever happened to modules.conf. In my old RH9 (2.4 > kernel) I was able to freely manipulate the ALSA modules (designate for > loading, reorder, set alias, etc) via /etc/modules.conf. Things have > changed a lot in 2.6.x, and /etc/modules.conf is apparently not to be > edited in Ye Olden Way. Is there a similar single file in the 2.6 file > system ? If so, where is it ? On my Debian Etch system I have this file : > > /etc/modprobe.d/sound > > It looks like the file to change a la the old-time modules.conf, but my > entries have no effect. Is there another file located elsewhere that I > should be editing ? Here's my /etc/modprobe.d/sound : > > alias snd-card-0 snd-ice1712 > options snd-ice1712 index=0 > alias snd-card-1 snd-emu10k1 > options snd-emu10k1 index=1 > alias snd-card-2 snd-virmidi > options snd-virmidi index=2 > > Also, what's the status of a user-friendly ALSA control and operations > panel that might address such matters as ordering multiple soundcards, > write/edit .asoundrc, start/stop ALSA services, etc. ? Is the ALSA > development group pursuing anything like that ? > > Best, > > dp > > From atte.jensen at gmail.com Tue Jul 4 09:16:56 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue Jul 4 09:17:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] some ALSA questions In-Reply-To: <44AA679D.1090401@woh.rr.com> References: <44AA679D.1090401@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44AA6A48.1010500@gmail.com> Dave Phillips wrote: > I'm preparing a final draft of an article re: ALSA and I started > wondering about whatever happened to modules.conf. In my old RH9 (2.4 > kernel) I was able to freely manipulate the ALSA modules (designate for > loading, reorder, set alias, etc) via /etc/modules.conf. Things have > changed a lot in 2.6.x, and /etc/modules.conf is apparently not to be > edited in Ye Olden Way. Mark is right, you must edit /etc/modutils/alsa (make sure you don't have backup files from your editor such as alsa~ lying around, everything in that dir is used...). Then run update-modules to transport the changes into modules.conf. Also: /etc/modprobe.d/sound should be a copy of (or symlink to) /etc/modutils/alsa(-base). This makes the correct information show up in /sys/module/snd_usb_audio/parameters/*. I found this important if you want to control the order of your usb devices. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From cezar at mixandgo.ro Tue Jul 4 09:36:35 2006 From: cezar at mixandgo.ro (cezar@mixandgo.ro) Date: Tue Jul 4 09:37:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME support Message-ID: <87y7v9pk4c.fsf@mixandgo.ro> Hello, I saw some posts on this list that described RME Multiface II as behaving very well on linux. I was wondering, how about those other RME interfaces like Fireface 400, Fireface 800; are these better than Multiface II ? I am looking for an interface for my laptop for performing live. Regards, Cezar From schumann at physik.uni-kl.de Tue Jul 4 09:41:28 2006 From: schumann at physik.uni-kl.de (Christian Schumann) Date: Tue Jul 4 09:42:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME support In-Reply-To: <87y7v9pk4c.fsf@mixandgo.ro> References: <87y7v9pk4c.fsf@mixandgo.ro> Message-ID: <20060704134128.GA3775@diller-5.physik.uni-kl.de> On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 04:36:35PM +0300, cezar@mixandgo.ro wrote: > I saw some posts on this list that described RME Multiface II as > behaving very well on linux. I was wondering, how about those > other RME interfaces like Fireface 400, Fireface 800; are these > better than Multiface II ? I am looking for an interface for my > laptop for performing live. The PCI and PCMCIA products from RME work well under Linux, but the firewire stuff is not supported. See http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Supported_Devices on that. Regards Christian -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dipl.-Phys. Christian Schumann |Technische Universitaet Kaiserslautern Mail: schumann@physik.uni-kl.de | Fachbereich Physik Tel.: 0631/205-4842 (Office) | http://www.physik.uni-kl.de Tel.: 0631/205-4843 (Lab) | Fax.: 0631/205-3902 | Post: Erwin-Schroedinger-Strasse, D-67663 Kaiserslautern ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue Jul 4 09:54:24 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (nigel henry) Date: Tue Jul 4 09:54:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] some ALSA questions In-Reply-To: <44AA679D.1090401@woh.rr.com> References: <44AA679D.1090401@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200607041554.24034.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Tuesday 04 July 2006 15:05, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > I'm preparing a final draft of an article re: ALSA and I started > wondering about whatever happened to modules.conf. In my old RH9 (2.4 > kernel) I was able to freely manipulate the ALSA modules (designate for > loading, reorder, set alias, etc) via /etc/modules.conf. Things have > changed a lot in 2.6.x, and /etc/modules.conf is apparently not to be > edited in Ye Olden Way. Is there a similar single file in the 2.6 file > system ? If so, where is it ? On my Debian Etch system I have this file : > > /etc/modprobe.d/sound > > It looks like the file to change a la the old-time modules.conf, but my > entries have no effect. Is there another file located elsewhere that I > should be editing ? Here's my /etc/modprobe.d/sound : > > alias snd-card-0 snd-ice1712 > options snd-ice1712 index=0 > alias snd-card-1 snd-emu10k1 > options snd-emu10k1 index=1 > alias snd-card-2 snd-virmidi > options snd-virmidi index=2 Hi Dave. On FC1 using the 2.4 kernel the file was /etc/modudes.conf, and if for example you have a usb midi keyboard, you have to create an alias for snd-usb-audio, and create 2 options lines, so as to load the sound card first, and snd-usb-audio second. This is due to the USB starting early in the boot process, and Alsa wrongly seeing the usb midi keyboard using snd-usb-audio as a soundcard, and loading it as card 0 if you don't set the options. FC2 and later using the 2.6 kernel use /etc/modprobe.conf, and for FC2 the as above applies regarding setting options lines if you are using a usb midi keyboard. FC3, 4, and 5 have fixed the problem regarding the usb midi keyboard, when I booted these post install the sound card worked, and the usb midi keyboard was also ok. I'm in FC2 at the moment, but I'm pretty sure that snd-usb-audio doesn't even show up in /etc/modprobe.conf, just the sound card (Ihave only the 1). In Debian Sarge, and Etch, I've always added snd-usb-audio, and the 2 options lines to /etc/modutils/sound , which updates, (and I think I've got the filename right) /etc/modprobe.conf, which specifically tells you not to make changes in it, as anything in /etc/modutils will overwrite /etc/modprobe.conf. I've also seen folks saying to use /etc/modprobe.d/sound, which obviously works. Perhaps it doesn't matter, and you can use either method. Sorry I can't help with the other ???'s, but the multipurpose Alsa control panel sounds a nice idea. Nigel. > > Also, what's the status of a user-friendly ALSA control and operations > panel that might address such matters as ordering multiple soundcards, > write/edit .asoundrc, start/stop ALSA services, etc. ? Is the ALSA > development group pursuing anything like that ? > > Best, > > dp From phil at rephil.org Tue Jul 4 10:27:08 2006 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Tue Jul 4 10:27:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 00:24:28 +0000 > From: carmen <_@whats-your.name> > ive never had a quantum die. everyone i have still runs, including a 40 > mb, and a 1 gb, and a 4 gb. one of them is from 1992. but theyre all SCSI, > so i dont ahve much use for them now that i gave away my Macs. Not to be too much of a vulture, but I actually have a lot of old SCSI based computers from that era (VAX), and if you'd like to see those old, small drives get put to use, let me know via phil [at] rephil [dot] org. If there's a mutually beneficialy arrangement, maybe we can find it. Cheers, Phil M -- Dept. of Mathematics, 342 Machray Hall U. of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3T 2N2 Office: 446 Machray Hall, 204-474-6470 http://www.rephil.org/ phil at rephil dot org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jul 4 10:49:40 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jul 4 10:49:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] XOWave cannot access any audio devices In-Reply-To: <200607041426.55956.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <200607041426.55956.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <1152024581.25802.165.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 14:26 +0300, David Baron wrote: > Problems about sample rates but no way to set them. > > Anyone succeded with this? > You don't give nearly enough information to debug whatever problem you have alluded to. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jul 4 10:57:21 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jul 4 10:57:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] some ALSA questions In-Reply-To: <44AA679D.1090401@woh.rr.com> References: <44AA679D.1090401@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1152025042.15837.3.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 09:05 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > I'm preparing a final draft of an article re: ALSA and I started > wondering about whatever happened to modules.conf. In my old RH9 (2.4 > kernel) I was able to freely manipulate the ALSA modules (designate for > loading, reorder, set alias, etc) via /etc/modules.conf. Things have > changed a lot in 2.6.x, and /etc/modules.conf is apparently not to be > edited in Ye Olden Way. Is there a similar single file in the 2.6 file > system ? If so, where is it ? On my Debian Etch system I have this file : > > /etc/modprobe.d/sound > > It looks like the file to change a la the old-time modules.conf, but my > entries have no effect. Is there another file located elsewhere that I > should be editing ? Here's my /etc/modprobe.d/sound : > > alias snd-card-0 snd-ice1712 > options snd-ice1712 index=0 > alias snd-card-1 snd-emu10k1 > options snd-emu10k1 index=1 > alias snd-card-2 snd-virmidi > options snd-virmidi index=2 > AFAICT, every distro does this differenly. > Also, what's the status of a user-friendly ALSA control and operations > panel that might address such matters as ordering multiple soundcards, > write/edit .asoundrc, start/stop ALSA services, etc. ? Is the ALSA > development group pursuing anything like that ? No one is working on anything like this. You can set the default soundcard with gnome-sound-properties - it creates an .asoundrc that sets the default device. There should really be no need to reorder sound cards as they can be addressed by name. It's best to fix the apps that are hardcoded to talk to the first device. I'm not sure what you mean by "stop/start ALSA services". ALSA does not run any daemons and config file changes take place immediately. Users should really not need to modify .asoundrc. If the default does not DTRT it's a bug. What use cases do you have in mind? Lee From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue Jul 4 11:05:53 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue Jul 4 11:06:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] some ALSA questions In-Reply-To: <200607041554.24034.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <44AA679D.1090401@woh.rr.com> <200607041554.24034.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <200607041705.53779.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Tuesday 04 July 2006 15:54, nigel henry wrote: > On Tuesday 04 July 2006 15:05, Dave Phillips wrote: > > Greetings: > > > > I'm preparing a final draft of an article re: ALSA and I started > > wondering about whatever happened to modules.conf. In my old RH9 (2.4 > > kernel) I was able to freely manipulate the ALSA modules (designate for > > loading, reorder, set alias, etc) via /etc/modules.conf. Things have > > changed a lot in 2.6.x, and /etc/modules.conf is apparently not to be > > edited in Ye Olden Way. Is there a similar single file in the 2.6 file > > system ? If so, where is it ? On my Debian Etch system I have this file : > > > > /etc/modprobe.d/sound > > > > It looks like the file to change a la the old-time modules.conf, but my > > entries have no effect. Is there another file located elsewhere that I > > should be editing ? Here's my /etc/modprobe.d/sound : > > > > alias snd-card-0 snd-ice1712 > > options snd-ice1712 index=0 > > alias snd-card-1 snd-emu10k1 > > options snd-emu10k1 index=1 > > alias snd-card-2 snd-virmidi > > options snd-virmidi index=2 > > Hi Dave. On FC1 using the 2.4 kernel the file was /etc/modudes.conf, and if > for example you have a usb midi keyboard, you have to create an alias for > snd-usb-audio, and create 2 options lines, so as to load the sound card > first, and snd-usb-audio second. This is due to the USB starting early in > the boot process, and Alsa wrongly seeing the usb midi keyboard using > snd-usb-audio as a soundcard, and loading it as card 0 if you don't set the > options. > > FC2 and later using the 2.6 kernel use /etc/modprobe.conf, and for FC2 the > as above applies regarding setting options lines if you are using a usb > midi keyboard. > > FC3, 4, and 5 have fixed the problem regarding the usb midi keyboard, when > I booted these post install the sound card worked, and the usb midi > keyboard was also ok. I'm in FC2 at the moment, but I'm pretty sure that > snd-usb-audio doesn't even show up in /etc/modprobe.conf, just the sound > card (Ihave only the 1). > > In Debian Sarge, and Etch, I've always added snd-usb-audio, and the 2 > options lines to /etc/modutils/sound , which updates, (and I think I've got > the filename right) /etc/modprobe.conf, which specifically tells you not to > make changes in it, as anything in /etc/modutils will > overwrite /etc/modprobe.conf. I've also seen folks saying to > use /etc/modprobe.d/sound, which obviously works. Perhaps it doesn't > matter, and you can use either method. > > Sorry I can't help with the other ???'s, but the multipurpose Alsa control > panel sounds a nice idea. > > Nigel. > > > Also, what's the status of a user-friendly ALSA control and operations > > panel that might address such matters as ordering multiple soundcards, > > write/edit .asoundrc, start/stop ALSA services, etc. ? Is the ALSA > > development group pursuing anything like that ? > > > > Best, > > > > dp Hi Dave. Apologies. I missed the point you made about your additions to /etc/modprobe.d/sound NOT working. Secondly. I've booted up Etch to check the files, and can confirm that in my case, with one sound card, and the usb midi keyboard, it looks like this in /etc/modutils/sound. alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1 options snd-emu10k1 index=0 alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio options snd-usb-audio index=1 Then running update-modules, updates the file /etc/modules.conf (sorry I had the filename wrong before. It is not /etc/modprobe.conf). Nigel. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Tue Jul 4 12:45:03 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Tue Jul 4 12:45:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] some ALSA questions In-Reply-To: <44AA679D.1090401@woh.rr.com> References: <44AA679D.1090401@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200607041745.03562.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 04 July 2006 14:05, Dave Phillips was like: > ? /etc/modprobe.d/sound is correct. man modprobe.conf -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From dave at pawfal.org Wed Jul 5 05:30:52 2006 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Wed Jul 5 05:31:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] openlab2 video In-Reply-To: <20060704114012.6a245cb5@mango.fruits> References: <51281.193.203.82.226.1152002854.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <20060704114012.6a245cb5@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <60934.193.203.82.226.1152091852.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> > On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:47:34 +0100 (BST) > "Dave Griffiths" wrote: > >> hi all, >> >> a few months ago we had a little event for free software orientated >> performances, this is a movie documenting what happened: >> >> http://goto10.org/~openlab/57uff/openlab2_2006.avi >> >> more info: http://openlab.pawfal.org > > Thanks for that. BTW: who did the opening and end track? Chun Lee, aka sonicvariable: http://sonicvariable.goto10.org/ cheers, dave From d_baron at 012.net.il Wed Jul 5 07:18:19 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Wed Jul 5 07:18:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] XOWave cannot access any audio devices In-Reply-To: <20060705093117.1FD4B20ADDB4@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060705093117.1FD4B20ADDB4@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200607051418.19766.d_baron@012.net.il> > > Problems about sample rates but no way to set them. > > > > Anyone succeded with this? > > You don't give nearly enough information to debug whatever problem you > have alluded to. I got it working by giving audio group permissions to /dev/dsp. It will not (directly) access the listed alsa devices (a bunch of them including the actual audio card). The program will jacklaunch, lists jack clients but will not play through them. From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Wed Jul 5 10:01:03 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed Jul 5 10:01:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE: [linux-audio-dev] Call for all LA projects In-Reply-To: <3c808a150607042251o7cd53b18s7c462c379cf6593d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01c6a03b$7545a150$6602a8c0@64BitBadass> You are more than welcome to apply for membership at any time. However, the new members announcements happen on a more or less bimonthly basis simply for the sake of minimizing administrative overhead. Hope this helps! Best wishes, Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-dev-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-dev- > bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Marc-Olivier Barre > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 1:51 AM > To: The Linux Audio Developers' Mailing List > Cc: A list for linux audio users; consortium@lists.linuxaudio.org > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Call for all LA projects > > On 7/3/06, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > > Linuxaudio.org is getting ready to announce new memberships in the > coming > > weeks. For this reason, I would like to invite all Linux Audio projects > and > > its members, as well as other allied projects, institutions, companies, > and > > hardware vendors to consider joining our organization. > > Is this a time limited opportunity or can one join whenever he is > ready ? I am getting ready to launch an audio optimized distribution > which is not quite ready yet, and I also have a bit of work on the > home page. How much time do we have ? > > ______________ > Marc-Olivier Barre, > Kinoko en Orbite. From public at 0x09.com Wed Jul 5 11:04:46 2006 From: public at 0x09.com (I. E. Smith-Heisters) Date: Wed Jul 5 11:04:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: References: <1150571967.26252.88.camel@mindpipe> <1150649255.4428.68.camel@mindpipe> <1150656234.4428.83.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: Any more thoughts on this? I'm at a loss. TIA, Ian On 6/23/06, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: > I can't seem to get any of the vanilla kernels to run on my machine--I > must need some Ubuntu patch, but I haven't any idea which one. I'll > look into it further, but for the time being it looks like my > debugging abilities will be limited to what can be done by compiling > the Ubuntu kernel (eg. no RT or latency tracing..) > > Thanks again. > > On 6/20/06, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: > > Okay, so I enabled ALSA debugging, as well as debug detect: > > CONFIG_SND_DEBUG and CONFIG_SND_DEBUG_DETECT. Here's the /var/messages > > tail produced by trying to start Jack: > > > > Jun 20 14:00:26 localhost kernel: [17179738.108000] azx_pcm_prepare: > > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:26 localhost kernel: [17179738.108000] > > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.116000] azx_pcm_prepare: > > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.120000] > > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.156000] azx_pcm_prepare: > > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.156000] > > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.164000] azx_pcm_prepare: > > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.164000] > > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.196000] azx_pcm_prepare: > > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.196000] > > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.204000] azx_pcm_prepare: > > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.204000] > > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.244000] azx_pcm_prepare: > > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.244000] > > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.252000] azx_pcm_prepare: > > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.252000] > > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.292000] azx_pcm_prepare: > > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.292000] > > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.300000] azx_pcm_prepare: > > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.300000] > > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.340000] azx_pcm_prepare: > > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.340000] > > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.348000] azx_pcm_prepare: > > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.348000] > > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 > > *snip* > > Jun 20 14:00:32 localhost kernel: [17179743.156000] azx_pcm_prepare: > > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:32 localhost kernel: [17179743.156000] > > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:32 localhost kernel: [17179743.164000] azx_pcm_prepare: > > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:32 localhost kernel: [17179743.164000] > > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 > > Jun 20 14:00:32 localhost kernel: [17179743.180000] > > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x0, channel=0, format=0x0 > > Jun 20 14:00:32 localhost kernel: [17179743.188000] > > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x0, channel=0, format=0x0 > > > > > > I can't make heads or tails of that; hopefully it means something to > > you. I'll try compiling the RT vanilla kernel now and see if that > > shows anything.. > > > > Thanks for the help. > > > > On 6/18/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sun, 2006-06-18 at 14:38 -0400, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Strange, Intel is no nice with OSS video drivers.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think the video driver has anything at all to do with this. > > > > > > > > Oh, no, I was referring, rather, to their OSS support of their 950 > > > > video chipset; I would think their linux-friendliness would extend to > > > > their audio chipsets. > > > > > > > > > > Intel is fine. They wrote and released a perfectly good HDA driver. > > > It's just that the vendors have a LOT of latitude to make small > > > variations on the chipset and they don't help with ALSA drivers. > > > > > > It seems to work for many users but there are a lot of laptops that just > > > get no sound or bad sound. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post the output of "dmesg" after trying JACK in realtime mode? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing in there. The following is exactly the same as it was before > > > > trying to start jack. > > > > > > > > [17179691.824000] ACPI: Video Device [VID] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no) > > > > [17179691.824000] ACPI: Video Device [VID2] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no) > > > > [17179695.124000] ppdev: user-space parallel port driver > > > > [17179695.352000] apm: BIOS not found. > > > > [17179698.448000] Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.8 > > > > [17179698.448000] Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized > > > > [17179698.452000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized > > > > [17179698.452000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized > > > > [17179698.452000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.7 > > > > > > > > I tried compiling the RT kernel (just running the default Ubuntu > > > > PREEMPT right now), but ran into some problems, so I'll have to play > > > > with it some more. > > > > > > Maybe you could recompile the standard Ubuntu kernel and enable ALSA > > > debugging? > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Jul 5 11:32:34 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Jul 5 11:33:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607030717r494f7eamb1af653fc10a0e5d@mail.gmail.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <20060627180034.GA32029@replic.net> <1151431736.2899.82.camel@mindpipe> <200606281340.35140.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607030717r494f7eamb1af653fc10a0e5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060705153234.GA14229@slinkp.com> On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 07:17:14AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: (snip) > install the laptop toolset and spin down the system drive completely > for less noise. For other curious readers: I wasn't familiar with "the laptop toolset", but a bit of searching turned up this: http://www.xs4all.nl/~bsamwel/laptop_mode/tools/ Looks useful. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Jul 5 11:43:31 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Jul 5 11:43:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <20060627180034.GA32029@replic.net> <1151431736.2899.82.camel@mindpipe> <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <44A9640E.3040305@gmail.com> <44A999B5.6060008@prodigy.net.mx> <20060704002428.GE8106@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060705154331.GB14229@slinkp.com> On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 08:07:45PM -0500, Jack O'Quin wrote: > We all have anecdotes about good and bad disks we have known. > My impression is that all the manufacturers have trouble with various > new technology at various times. I've heard good and bad stories > about them all from time to time through the years. Yep. I've had cheapo drives work without problem until I upgraded and threw them out. I've had a carefully researched drive purchase completely die without warning after 2 years of light use. Since then, I try to assume that any drive by any manufacturer can die at any time. MAKE BACKUPS. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Jul 5 11:58:05 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Jul 5 11:58:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <20060705153234.GA14229@slinkp.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <20060627180034.GA32029@replic.net> <1151431736.2899.82.camel@mindpipe> <200606281340.35140.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607030717r494f7eamb1af653fc10a0e5d@mail.gmail.com> <20060705153234.GA14229@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20060705155805.GC14229@slinkp.com> On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 11:32:34AM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 07:17:14AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > (snip) > > install the laptop toolset and spin down the system drive completely > > for less noise. > > For other curious readers: > I wasn't familiar with "the laptop toolset", but a bit > of searching turned up this: > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~bsamwel/laptop_mode/tools/ > > Looks useful. ... but potentially dangerous if you don't read the FAQ: http://www.xs4all.nl/~bsamwel/laptop_mode/tools/faq.html -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From davep at rockynet.com Wed Jul 5 18:01:37 2006 From: davep at rockynet.com (Dave Price) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:00:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recommend micro atx motherboard for linux audio? Message-ID: <44AC36C1.4040909@rockynet.com> I know that onboard audio in not ideal ... But does anyone have a recommendation of a microATX mother board (AMD preferred) with good linux audio support? Thanks in advance. From link at sumerianbabyl.com Wed Jul 5 19:41:18 2006 From: link at sumerianbabyl.com (Link Swanson) Date: Wed Jul 5 19:41:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recommend micro atx motherboard for linux audio? In-Reply-To: <44AC36C1.4040909@rockynet.com> References: <44AC36C1.4040909@rockynet.com> Message-ID: <21987.216.17.51.98.1152142878.squirrel@sumerianbabyl.com> On Wed, July 5, 2006 5:01 pm, Dave Price wrote: > > I know that onboard audio in not ideal ... > > But does anyone have a recommendation of a microATX mother board (AMD > preferred) with good linux audio support? I use a Biostar T-Force6100-939 which I got on refurb from Newegg for 43 bucks. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138264 The onboard audio works fine for onboard under FC5 CCRMA. The video is pretty good too, with or without the proprietary nVidia drivers installed. I'd reccommend it. Link > > Thanks in advance. > -- e-mail is . . . From xirin6 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 19:45:39 2006 From: xirin6 at yahoo.com (kevin kelley) Date: Wed Jul 5 19:45:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] solaris 9 and audio recomendations Message-ID: <20060705234539.70979.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would like to run a sampler program and a good sound card on a sun sparc solaris 9 platfrom. Does anyone have any recomendations?? Kevin Kelley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Wed Jul 5 19:56:58 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Wed Jul 5 19:58:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] solaris 9 and audio recomendations In-Reply-To: <20060705234539.70979.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060705234539.70979.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060706095658.8c38de7c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> kevin kelley wrote: > I would like to run a sampler program and a good > sound card on a sun sparc solaris 9 platfrom. Does > anyone have any recomendations?? You're going to have some real problems here. Firstly, Solaris does not support OSS or ALSA; it has its own audio I/O architecure and few Linux audio programs are likely to support it. Secondly, SUN ships its own drivers for the hardware it supports. You are unlikely to be able to get Solaris drivers for any third party audio hardware. However, if you were willing to run Linux on this machine and it had PCI, then you would have drivers and OSS and ALSA. Just my AUS $0.02. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "Religion is a magic device for turning unanswerable questions into unquestionable answers." -Art Gecko, Wombat Discord-1, 128649 From xirin6 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 20:06:14 2006 From: xirin6 at yahoo.com (kevin kelley) Date: Wed Jul 5 20:06:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] solaris 9 and audio recomendations In-Reply-To: <20060706095658.8c38de7c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <20060706000614.6363.qmail@web36113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This machine is a pci based sparc machine so I can run a linux flavor on this machine. I got the conputer for free I would like to use it for audio if I can I am not set on running solaris though. Kevin Kelley --- Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > kevin kelley wrote: > > > I would like to run a sampler program and a good > > sound card on a sun sparc solaris 9 platfrom. Does > > anyone have any recomendations?? > > You're going to have some real problems here. > > Firstly, Solaris does not support OSS or ALSA; it > has its own > audio I/O architecure and few Linux audio programs > are likely > to support it. > > Secondly, SUN ships its own drivers for the hardware > it supports. > You are unlikely to be able to get Solaris drivers > for any third > party audio hardware. > > However, if you were willing to run Linux on this > machine and it > had PCI, then you would have drivers and OSS and > ALSA. > > Just my AUS $0.02. > > Erik > -- > +-----------------------------------------------------------+ > Erik de Castro Lopo > +-----------------------------------------------------------+ > "Religion is a magic device for turning unanswerable > questions into > unquestionable answers." -Art Gecko, Wombat > Discord-1, 128649 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Wed Jul 5 20:15:12 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Wed Jul 5 20:15:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] solaris 9 and audio recomendations In-Reply-To: <20060706000614.6363.qmail@web36113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060706095658.8c38de7c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060706000614.6363.qmail@web36113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060706101512.2a643ff8.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> kevin kelley wrote: > This machine is a pci based sparc machine so I can run > a linux flavor on this machine. What machine is it btw? > I got the conputer for > free I would like to use it for audio if I can. I am > not set on running solaris though. If you want to run the full set of Linux audio apps on this thing you will need to run Linux or be prepared to do a bunch of porting work for every app you want to run. These problems will largely disappear if you run Linux. Sparc is big endian like PowerPC so any software than will run on PowerPC Linux should also run on Sparc Linux with nothing more than a recompile. Obviously things like binary only Realplayer and Flashplayer will not be available to you. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "Always code as if the person who ends up maintaining your code will be a violent psychopath who knows where you live." -- Martin Golding From james at dis-dot-dat.net Wed Jul 5 20:27:40 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Wed Jul 5 20:27:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] solaris 9 and audio recomendations In-Reply-To: <20060705234539.70979.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060705234539.70979.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060706002739.GA21695@fitz.Belkin> On Wed, 05 Jul, 2006 at 04:45PM -0700, kevin kelley spake thus: > I would like to run a sampler program and a good > sound card on a sun sparc solaris 9 platfrom. Does > anyone have any recomendations?? What do you want to do with it? I mean, what is the purpose of running the sampler? Music making? Sound effects? ...? I have a very simple OSC-controlled sampler that I've been working on for a project of my own. You're welcome to give it a go if it fits your needs. J > Kevin Kelley > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From xirin6 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 20:31:41 2006 From: xirin6 at yahoo.com (kevin kelley) Date: Wed Jul 5 20:31:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] solaris 9 and audio recomendations In-Reply-To: <20060706002739.GA21695@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060706003141.86628.qmail@web36102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Main use is music sample archives. but hopefully a full use sampler similar to a hardware based sampler for music I.E. akai s 1000 ect... does not have to be fancy just trucate, adsr, and filter options. Kevin Kelley --- james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Wed, 05 Jul, 2006 at 04:45PM -0700, kevin kelley > spake thus: > > I would like to run a sampler program and a good > > sound card on a sun sparc solaris 9 platfrom. Does > > anyone have any recomendations?? > > What do you want to do with it? I mean, what is the > purpose of > running the sampler? Music making? Sound effects? > ...? > > I have a very simple OSC-controlled sampler that > I've been working on > for a project of my own. You're welcome to give it > a go if it fits > your needs. > > J > > > Kevin Kelley > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Wed Jul 5 23:25:55 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Wed Jul 5 23:25:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recommend micro atx motherboard for linux audio? In-Reply-To: <44AC36C1.4040909@rockynet.com> References: <44AC36C1.4040909@rockynet.com> Message-ID: <44AC82C3.1040401@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dave Price escribi?: > > I know that onboard audio in not ideal ... > > But does anyone have a recommendation of a microATX mother board > (AMD preferred) with good linux audio support? > > Thanks in advance. > I am using the MSI K8MM-V motherboard. There is a S-939 version of this motherboard (I have got the S-754), it comes with a VIA VT8235 onboard sound chip, which coincidently supports hardware mixing (up to 4 streams) and has very good performance. It should be fairly cheap nowadays. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFErILDXM+XOp70dwoRAjHYAJoCsG9L0BCKv+UZgtvvwpZJUTG7lQCfXlhe S8jmuJGIvgr8vnRdi+IeqeE= =XJ2K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From alewis at systemsfusion.com Thu Jul 6 02:32:12 2006 From: alewis at systemsfusion.com (Andrew Lewis) Date: Thu Jul 6 02:32:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] solaris 9 and audio recomendations In-Reply-To: <20060706095658.8c38de7c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <20060705234539.70979.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060706095658.8c38de7c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <200607060832.12677.alewis@systemsfusion.com> On Thursday 06 July 2006 01:56, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > Firstly, Solaris does not support OSS or ALSA; Au contraire, you can use OSS on Solaris: http://www.4front-tech.com/solaris.html However if I were you I'd really install Linux and use ALSA, more because I dislike Solaris than anything else... ;) -AL. From jh at brainiac.com Thu Jul 6 06:27:32 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Thu Jul 6 06:27:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] solaris 9 and audio recomendations In-Reply-To: <20060706000614.6363.qmail@web36113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060706095658.8c38de7c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060706000614.6363.qmail@web36113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060706062732.60e71ee3.jh@brainiac.com> On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:06:14 -0700 (PDT) kevin kelley wrote: > This machine is a pci based sparc machine so I can run > a linux flavor on this machine. I use Aurora Linux on a dual processor Sparc Ultra 60, and though I don't do any audio with it, I'm very happy with the setup. The 2.0 release is based on Fedora Core 3, and there are a great many apps precompiled for it. http://auroralinux.org -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From pieterp at joow.be Thu Jul 6 07:43:40 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Thu Jul 6 07:43:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <20060705154331.GB14229@slinkp.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <20060627180034.GA32029@replic.net> <1151431736.2899.82.camel@mindpipe> <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <44A9640E.3040305@gmail.com> <44A999B5.6060008@prodigy.net.mx> <20060704002428.GE8106@replic.net> <20060705154331.GB14229@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <44ACF76C.4010501@joow.be> Paul Winkler wrote: > On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 08:07:45PM -0500, Jack O'Quin wrote: >> We all have anecdotes about good and bad disks we have known. >> My impression is that all the manufacturers have trouble with various >> new technology at various times. I've heard good and bad stories >> about them all from time to time through the years. > > Yep. > I've had cheapo drives work without problem until I upgraded and > threw them out. I've had a carefully researched drive purchase > completely die without warning after 2 years of light use. > > Since then, I try to assume that any drive by any manufacturer > can die at any time. MAKE BACKUPS. It should also be noted that a lot of hard disk failures are due to mains power loss. Modern harddisks use a lot of write caching on the controller to achieve decent performance. So when power goes down when there is data in the write cache, it is lost. The file system however 'thinks' that data has been written correctly. This hence results in file system corruption. But there is also the issue of interruption of the actual physical write operation when power goes down. If a drive is writing a sector when the power goes down, it won't be able to update the CRC data for the sector, hence the next time the sector is read, the CRC check fails and the drive marks the sector as 'bad'. The sector is however not mechanically broken. When doing a low level format of the drive that also tries to re-initialize the bad sectors, the drive will be repaired to an 'as new' state. Another important note that this is *not* solved with RAID mirroring. In fact, RAID mirroring will make things worse, as you now have two independent write caches and head locations. One solution to this is to disable write caching on the drive, and live with the consequences, mainly a very big performance hit. My personal solution is a UPS. Most of the power outages for me are due to some circuit overload, so the 15 minutes of battery power are enough to survive the re-enabling of the circuit. And if not it shuts down cleanly. My experience is that *every time* your system has a power failure, you have some file system and hard disk corruption. I would certainly recommend everybody to use one, a UPS is a better investment than a second disk for software RAID mirroring. And it is pretty cheap (about 100? here). An unrelated remark with respect to hard disk configuration: I personally think that using a hardware RAID5 controller (e.g. a 3ware escalade), together with a bunch of less-performing but more silent/reliable drives will give you the best solution. I think something like a RAID-5 of 4x 100Gb 5400RPM disks will give you a system that is fast, reliable, and high capacity (300Gb). A shame that 5400RPM drives are so hard to get... I've tried a lot of setups and a lot of harddisks, all resulting in failures due to power outages. Since I switched over to a 3ware escalade RAID5 setup (3x160GB maxtor) and a UPS, I haven't had any problems. I can only recommend it. Of course it is not the quietest of setups, but it's not that bad... my laptop is noisier. Greets, Pieter From errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk Thu Jul 6 07:53:58 2006 From: errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk (Martin Habets) Date: Thu Jul 6 07:54:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] solaris 9 and audio recomendations In-Reply-To: <20060705234539.70979.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060705234539.70979.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060706115357.GA28504@palantir8> If your hardware has an onboard soundchip, it is supported by Solaris. If you are willing to use that (maybe you even have a line out/in on you machine) you could get some good results with Solaris. Try running audioctl and check if you have /dev/audio and /dev/audioctl. If your hardware does not have anboard audio, it's not good enough, or you want to use another card, you should use Linux. If you do decide to stay with Solaris, you pretty much have to setup a OSS build environment (gcc, libraries) in order to build your free sampler of choice. Not as difficult as it sounds, with the help of pkg-get. On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 04:45:39PM -0700, kevin kelley wrote: > I would like to run a sampler program and a good > sound card on a sun sparc solaris 9 platfrom. Does > anyone have any recomendations?? > > Kevin Kelley > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com -- Martin From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Jul 6 09:20:34 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Jul 6 09:20:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44ACF76C.4010501@joow.be> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <20060627180034.GA32029@replic.net> <1151431736.2899.82.camel@mindpipe> <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <44A9640E.3040305@gmail.com> <44A999B5.6060008@prodigy.net.mx> <20060704002428.GE8106@replic.net> <20060705154331.GB14229@slinkp.com> <44ACF76C.4010501@joow.be> Message-ID: <20060706132033.GA9627@slinkp.com> On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 01:43:40PM +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote: > Modern harddisks use a lot of write caching on the controller to achieve > decent performance. So when power goes down when there is data in the > write cache, it is lost. The file system however 'thinks' that data has > been written correctly. This hence results in file system corruption. FS corruption is no fun (I once spent two days recovering data after bad RAM corrupted an ext2 fs... I ended up with every file I had in lost+found). But the particular failure I mentioned was drive hardware, no doubt about it. Lots of low-level IDE errors in /var/log/messages. Couldn't fsck it, couldn't get any raw data out of it with "dd if=/dev/hdb", nothing. I didn't have any warning, either... no funny noises, no problems or errors the last time I mounted it. *shrug* +1 on the UPS idea, I've had one for years. -PW -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From pieterp at joow.be Thu Jul 6 10:05:53 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Thu Jul 6 10:05:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <20060706132033.GA9627@slinkp.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <20060627180034.GA32029@replic.net> <1151431736.2899.82.camel@mindpipe> <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <44A9640E.3040305@gmail.com> <44A999B5.6060008@prodigy.net.mx> <20060704002428.GE8106@replic.net> <20060705154331.GB14229@slinkp.com> <44ACF76C.4010501@joow.be> <20060706132033.GA9627@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <44AD18C1.8030800@joow.be> Paul Winkler wrote: > On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 01:43:40PM +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote: >> Modern harddisks use a lot of write caching on the controller to achieve >> decent performance. So when power goes down when there is data in the >> write cache, it is lost. The file system however 'thinks' that data has >> been written correctly. This hence results in file system corruption. > > FS corruption is no fun (I once spent two days recovering data > after bad RAM corrupted an ext2 fs... I ended up with every file I had > in lost+found). But the particular failure I mentioned was drive > hardware, no doubt about it. Lots of low-level IDE errors in > /var/log/messages. Couldn't fsck it, couldn't get any raw > data out of it with "dd if=/dev/hdb", nothing. > I didn't have any warning, either... no funny noises, no > problems or errors the last time I mounted it. *shrug* > Of course I'm not suggesting that there are no hardware failures, and I'm really not questioning your judgment. Just sharing my personal experience (own hardware and that of others), which is that once you prune out the hard disk failures caused by power outage, there are not much left. And in (almost) all of the power outage caused failures you can re-use the hard disk perfectly after a low level format. And that is not due to bad sector relocation, but simply because the CRC errors are cleared. Problems caused by the interruption of a write operation by the disk are not distinguishable from 'real' hardware failures by the OS. The hard disk's firmware treats the sector where this interruption occurred as a bad sector, and reports it like that to the OS. So you also get a lot of messages in /var/log/messages. This phenomenon occurs on the harddisk itself, past the operating system, filesystem and ide controller. However, you should be able to get some raw data out of it using dd (or ddrescue), as not all sectors are marked as 'bad'. That makes it slightly less bad as a total hard disk crash. Pieter PS: another tip: The sysadmins at work once told me that their experience is that harddisks tend to fail when they are shut down. What they dread the most is having to power down a server, even cleanly. From pcoccoli at gmail.com Thu Jul 6 12:38:25 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Thu Jul 6 12:38:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] aseqjoy - modulation and pitch? In-Reply-To: <20060704040625.18559.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060704040625.18559.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8d27a0610607060938i135229dfv46af502b2da00c9f@mail.gmail.com> On 7/4/06, DCZX wrote: > I have a basic midi keyboard with no modulation or > pitch bend wheels. I downloaded and compiled aseqjoy > and was hoping to set up my x axis on my joystick as > modulation and the y as pitch. > > However, I have no idea where to start doing this. > Does anyone have an idea of where to start? > > thank you > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > RTFM: -0 [controller] Select the MIDI controller ID for axis 0. As a default value aseqjoy will use 10 + the axis ID, so for axis 0 that would be 10 + 0 = 10. -1 [controller], -2 [controller], -3 [controller], Just like -0 this will set the controller IDs for axes 1, 2, 3. This will work for modulation (you need to look up what CC number the mod wheel is for whatever softsynths you're using), but I'm not sure about pitch bend. I think aseqjoy will only send CC messages, and pitch bend is it's own message type. If so, patching aseqjoy would be simple. I already modified my copy to send CC messages on joystick button pushes instead of changing the channel. I can probably whip a patch if you need help. paul From lars.luthman at gmail.com Thu Jul 6 12:50:04 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Thu Jul 6 13:10:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] aseqjoy - modulation and pitch? In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610607060938i135229dfv46af502b2da00c9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060704040625.18559.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8d27a0610607060938i135229dfv46af502b2da00c9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1152204604.7321.0.camel@c-d276e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 12:38 -0400, Paul Coccoli wrote: > This will work for modulation (you need to look up what CC number the > mod wheel is for whatever softsynths you're using) Mod wheel is always CC 1. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060706/1712b1ce/attachment-0001.bin From daneasley at gmail.com Thu Jul 6 14:00:05 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Thu Jul 6 14:00:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44AD18C1.8030800@joow.be> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <44A9640E.3040305@gmail.com> <44A999B5.6060008@prodigy.net.mx> <20060704002428.GE8106@replic.net> <20060705154331.GB14229@slinkp.com> <44ACF76C.4010501@joow.be> <20060706132033.GA9627@slinkp.com> <44AD18C1.8030800@joow.be> Message-ID: On 7/6/06, Pieter Palmers wrote: > Paul Winkler wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 01:43:40PM +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote: > >> Modern harddisks use a lot of write caching on the controller to achieve > >> decent performance. So when power goes down when there is data in the > >> write cache, it is lost. The file system however 'thinks' that data has > >> been written correctly. This hence results in file system corruption. Thanks much for this whole thread. It's added substance to what I previously thought was just personal paranoia and suspicion. I've been under the impression it's cheaper to buy used UPS's and buy replacement batteries for them. Has anyone done this to good results? -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From yves_p at nnx.com Thu Jul 6 15:12:45 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Thu Jul 6 15:13:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: References: <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <44A9640E.3040305@gmail.com> <44A999B5.6060008@prodigy.net.mx> <20060704002428.GE8106@replic.net> <20060705154331.GB14229@slinkp.com> <44ACF76C.4010501@joow.be> <20060706132033.GA9627@slinkp.com> <44AD18C1.8030800@joow.be> Message-ID: <20060706191245.GC30235@localhost> Le 06 Jul ? 14:00, Dan Easley ecrivait: > I've been under the impression it's cheaper to buy used UPS's and buy > replacement batteries for them. Has anyone done this to good results? Take care of pentential electrical issues with such devices. The last one I used permitted me to fry eggs on it after half an hour of usage :), with a very particular and not very nice smell in the office. More seriously, if I haven't unplugged it, I'm sure it would have caused a fire. It was more than 5 years old. Also, the standard life duration of UPS batteries is three years. They of course can be changed if you are sure of the device... On the other hand, the only UPSes which will normally work with linux are serial ones, be careful with USB models. The standard software for UPS monitoring, also for more than one computer across the network, is nut : http://www.networkupstools.org/ HTH, Y. From _ at whats-your.name Thu Jul 6 15:14:43 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Jul 6 16:18:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: References: <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <44A9640E.3040305@gmail.com> <44A999B5.6060008@prodigy.net.mx> <20060704002428.GE8106@replic.net> <20060705154331.GB14229@slinkp.com> <44ACF76C.4010501@joow.be> <20060706132033.GA9627@slinkp.com> <44AD18C1.8030800@joow.be> Message-ID: <20060706191443.GC7595@replic.net> On Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 02:00:05PM -0400, Dan Easley wrote: > On 7/6/06, Pieter Palmers wrote: > >Paul Winkler wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 01:43:40PM +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote: > >>> Modern harddisks use a lot of write caching on the controller to achieve > >>> decent performance. So when power goes down when there is data in the > >>> write cache, it is lost. The file system however 'thinks' that data has > >>> been written correctly. This hence results in file system corruption. > > Thanks much for this whole thread. It's added substance to what I > previously thought was just personal paranoia and suspicion. > > I've been under the impression it's cheaper to buy used UPS's and buy > replacement batteries for them. Has anyone done this to good results? im guessing 2 drives , synched nightly via rsync, or in a RAID configuration, is cheaper, and friendlier for the environment than huge/heavy UPS batteries. i guess i'd invest in that if the electricity infrastructure in my area was particularly bad. or in combination with daytime solar replenishing to run completely off-grid. soudns like overkill as a hedge against drive failure though. drives will fail. From pieterp at joow.be Thu Jul 6 16:33:25 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Thu Jul 6 16:33:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <20060706191443.GC7595@replic.net> References: <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <44A9640E.3040305@gmail.com> <44A999B5.6060008@prodigy.net.mx> <20060704002428.GE8106@replic.net> <20060705154331.GB14229@slinkp.com> <44ACF76C.4010501@joow.be> <20060706132033.GA9627@slinkp.com> <44AD18C1.8030800@joow.be> <20060706191443.GC7595@replic.net> Message-ID: <44AD7395.6040301@joow.be> carmen wrote: > On Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 02:00:05PM -0400, Dan Easley wrote: >> On 7/6/06, Pieter Palmers wrote: >>> Paul Winkler wrote: >>>> On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 01:43:40PM +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote: >>>>> Modern harddisks use a lot of write caching on the controller to achieve >>>>> decent performance. So when power goes down when there is data in the >>>>> write cache, it is lost. The file system however 'thinks' that data has >>>>> been written correctly. This hence results in file system corruption. >> Thanks much for this whole thread. It's added substance to what I >> previously thought was just personal paranoia and suspicion. >> >> I've been under the impression it's cheaper to buy used UPS's and buy >> replacement batteries for them. Has anyone done this to good results? > > im guessing 2 drives , synched nightly via rsync, or in a RAID configuration, is cheaper, and friendlier for the environment than huge/heavy UPS batteries. i guess i'd invest in that if the electricity infrastructure in my area was particularly bad. or in combination with daytime solar replenishing to run completely off-grid. > The RAID does *not* help against power failures. been there, done that. rsync will do, but then you have to make sure that the outage does not occur when running rsync. Anyway it lowers the chance that you'll have problems. > soudns like overkill as a hedge against drive failure though. drives will fail. UPS'es don't prevent mechanical drive failure, but they do prevent 'soft' bad sectors. My belief is that these are the most common. I wouldn't think a 100? UPS is more overkill than an extra 160G drive (costing about the same) for RAID/rsync mirroring. I've made up my mind about this: 'this UPS is to stay', but feel free not to agree of course ;) Pieter From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Jul 6 17:18:09 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Jul 6 17:16:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <20060706191245.GC30235@localhost> References: <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <44A9640E.3040305@gmail.com> <44A999B5.6060008@prodigy.net.mx> <20060704002428.GE8106@replic.net> <20060705154331.GB14229@slinkp.com> <44ACF76C.4010501@joow.be> <20060706132033.GA9627@slinkp.com> <44AD18C1.8030800@joow.be> <20060706191245.GC30235@localhost> Message-ID: <20060706221809.36ffda5a@localhost> On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 21:12:45 +0200 yves_p@nnx.com (Yves Potin) wrote: > Le 06 Jul ? 14:00, Dan Easley ecrivait: > > > I've been under the impression it's cheaper to buy used UPS's and buy > > replacement batteries for them. Has anyone done this to good results? > > Take care of pentential electrical issues with such devices. The > last one I used permitted me to fry eggs on it after half an hour of usage > :), with a very particular and not very nice smell in the office. More > seriously, if I haven't unplugged it, I'm sure it would have caused a > fire. It was more than 5 years old. > Also, the standard life duration of UPS batteries is three > years. They of course can be changed if you are sure of the device... > On the other hand, the only UPSes which will normally work with > linux are serial ones, be careful with USB models. The standard software > for UPS monitoring, also for more than one computer across the > network, is nut : http://www.networkupstools.org/ > HTH, I would add to that, be absolutely *obsessively* careful changing these high capacity batteries. An accidental short circuit on even an apparently 'dead' battery can often melt a spanner... before exploding :( -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Jul 6 17:34:40 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Jul 6 17:35:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix Message-ID: <20060706223440.3318f4b5@localhost> Is anyone else having problems accessing this website? I can get to the home page OK, but most of the links fail with 'access denied' using firefox 1.5. I rather wanted to download the iso to give it a try :( -- Will J G From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Jul 6 19:42:21 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Jul 6 17:42:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 Message-ID: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> ALSA MIDI Humanizer is a tiny application that route MIDI events between two applications adding random timing and velocity offsets to NOTEON and NOTEOFF events, with a bare bones GUI to adjust the two ranges. More infos here: http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/blog/?post=17 Download: http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/download/ALSA-MIDI-Humanizer-0.0.1.tar.gz To build it just 'make'. For the developers reading this list: at the moment the code is just a quick hack. I didn't know anything about ALSA develpment, the GTK+ toolkit and linux threads until this morning when I've started studying some tutorials (used the midirouter.c code from the ALSA tutorial by Matthias Nagorni as a starting point). So, be kind. Comments and suggestions are highly appreciated. Thank you! c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From jordan at jdnash.org Thu Jul 6 17:57:26 2006 From: jordan at jdnash.org (Jordan Nash) Date: Thu Jul 6 17:57:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix In-Reply-To: <20060706223440.3318f4b5@localhost> References: <20060706223440.3318f4b5@localhost> Message-ID: <1152223046.9924.7.camel@jordan.nash.net> Yes, I am getting 403 (Forbidden) errors on several pages of their website. It looks to me like they have made a mistake in their webserver configuration. It could be a simple permissions problem, or it could be an SELinux issue. - Jordan On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 22:34 +0100, Folderol wrote: > Is anyone else having problems accessing this website? I can get to the > home page OK, but most of the links fail with 'access denied' using > firefox 1.5. > > I rather wanted to download the iso to give it a try :( > From jordan at jdnash.org Thu Jul 6 18:04:00 2006 From: jordan at jdnash.org (Jordan Nash) Date: Thu Jul 6 18:04:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <1152223440.9924.11.camel@jordan.nash.net> Really interesting idea. I can't wait to play with it. I am using Fedora Core 5. This could be just the results of my being inexperienced at compiling, here is the console output of the make command: ------------------------ [me@mycomp ALSA-MIDI-Humanizer-0.0.1]$ make make: Warning: File `Makefile' has modification time 7.6e+02 s in the future gcc humanizer.c -o humanizer -lasound -lpthread `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0` Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'gtk+-2.0' found humanizer.c:15:21: error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory humanizer.c:33: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before ?*? token humanizer.c:34: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before ?*? token humanizer.c:127: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before ?delete_event? humanizer.c: In function ?updateSettings?: humanizer.c:138: error: ?spinnerT? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:138: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once humanizer.c:138: error: for each function it appears in.) humanizer.c:139: error: ?spinnerV? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c: At top level: humanizer.c:142: error: expected ?)? before ?*? token humanizer.c:148: error: expected ?)? before ?*? token humanizer.c: In function ?main?: humanizer.c:158: error: ?GtkWidget? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:158: error: ?window? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:159: error: ?button? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:160: error: ?main_vbox? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:160: error: ?hbox? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:161: error: ?GtkObject? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:161: error: ?adj1? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:161: error: ?adj2? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:164: error: ?frame? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:174: error: ?GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:177: error: ?delete_event? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:181: error: ?FALSE? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:186: error: ?TRUE? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:195: error: ?scaleT? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:201: error: ?spinnerT? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:208: error: ?cb_update_spinner? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:208: error: ?gpointer? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:208: error: expected ?)? before ?spinnerT? humanizer.c:211: error: ?cb_update_scale? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:211: error: expected ?)? before ?adj1? humanizer.c:230: error: ?scaleV? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:236: error: ?spinnerV? undeclared (first use in this function) humanizer.c:243: error: expected ?)? before ?spinnerV? humanizer.c:246: error: expected ?)? before ?adj1? make: *** [all] Error 1 ------------------------ On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 23:42 +0000, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > ALSA MIDI Humanizer is a tiny application that route MIDI events between > two applications adding random timing and velocity offsets to NOTEON and > NOTEOFF events, with a bare bones GUI to adjust the two ranges. > > More infos here: > > http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/blog/?post=17 > > Download: > > http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/download/ALSA-MIDI-Humanizer-0.0.1.tar.gz > > To build it just 'make'. > > For the developers reading this list: at the moment the code is just a > quick hack. I didn't know anything about ALSA develpment, the GTK+ > toolkit and linux threads until this morning when I've started studying > some tutorials (used the midirouter.c code from the ALSA tutorial by > Matthias Nagorni as a starting point). So, be kind. > > Comments and suggestions are highly appreciated. > > Thank you! > > c. > From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Jul 6 20:10:56 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Jul 6 18:10:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <1152223440.9924.11.camel@jordan.nash.net> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <1152223440.9924.11.camel@jordan.nash.net> Message-ID: <44ADA690.7000105@poeticstudios.com> Jordan Nash wrote: >Really interesting idea. I can't wait to play with it. > >I am using Fedora Core 5. This could be just the results of my being >inexperienced at compiling, here is the console output of the make >command: > >------------------------ >[me@mycomp ALSA-MIDI-Humanizer-0.0.1]$ make >make: Warning: File `Makefile' has modification time 7.6e+02 s in the >future >gcc humanizer.c -o humanizer -lasound -lpthread `pkg-config --cflags >--libs gtk+-2.0` >Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. >Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' >to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable > > You lack the gtk+2 development libraries or you should set the PKG_CONFIG_PATH. Check if you have the file 'gtk+-2.0.pc' in /usr/lib/pkgconfig or /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig. c. >No package 'gtk+-2.0' found >humanizer.c:15:21: error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory >humanizer.c:33: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? >before ?*? token >humanizer.c:34: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? >before ?*? token >humanizer.c:127: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? >before ?delete_event? >humanizer.c: In function ?updateSettings?: >humanizer.c:138: error: ?spinnerT? undeclared (first use in this >function) >humanizer.c:138: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only >once >humanizer.c:138: error: for each function it appears in.) >humanizer.c:139: error: ?spinnerV? undeclared (first use in this >function) >humanizer.c: At top level: >humanizer.c:142: error: expected ?)? before ?*? token >humanizer.c:148: error: expected ?)? before ?*? token >humanizer.c: In function ?main?: >humanizer.c:158: error: ?GtkWidget? undeclared (first use in this >function) >humanizer.c:158: error: ?window? undeclared (first use in this function) >humanizer.c:159: error: ?button? undeclared (first use in this function) >humanizer.c:160: error: ?main_vbox? undeclared (first use in this >function) >humanizer.c:160: error: ?hbox? undeclared (first use in this function) >humanizer.c:161: error: ?GtkObject? undeclared (first use in this >function) >humanizer.c:161: error: ?adj1? undeclared (first use in this function) >humanizer.c:161: error: ?adj2? undeclared (first use in this function) >humanizer.c:164: error: ?frame? undeclared (first use in this function) >humanizer.c:174: error: ?GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL? undeclared (first use in >this function) >humanizer.c:177: error: ?delete_event? undeclared (first use in this >function) >humanizer.c:181: error: ?FALSE? undeclared (first use in this function) >humanizer.c:186: error: ?TRUE? undeclared (first use in this function) >humanizer.c:195: error: ?scaleT? undeclared (first use in this function) >humanizer.c:201: error: ?spinnerT? undeclared (first use in this >function) >humanizer.c:208: error: ?cb_update_spinner? undeclared (first use in >this function) >humanizer.c:208: error: ?gpointer? undeclared (first use in this >function) >humanizer.c:208: error: expected ?)? before ?spinnerT? >humanizer.c:211: error: ?cb_update_scale? undeclared (first use in this >function) >humanizer.c:211: error: expected ?)? before ?adj1? >humanizer.c:230: error: ?scaleV? undeclared (first use in this function) >humanizer.c:236: error: ?spinnerV? undeclared (first use in this >function) >humanizer.c:243: error: expected ?)? before ?spinnerV? >humanizer.c:246: error: expected ?)? before ?adj1? >make: *** [all] Error 1 >------------------------ > >On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 23:42 +0000, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > >>ALSA MIDI Humanizer is a tiny application that route MIDI events between >>two applications adding random timing and velocity offsets to NOTEON and >>NOTEOFF events, with a bare bones GUI to adjust the two ranges. >> >>More infos here: >> >>http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/blog/?post=17 >> >>Download: >> >>http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/download/ALSA-MIDI-Humanizer-0.0.1.tar.gz >> >>To build it just 'make'. >> >>For the developers reading this list: at the moment the code is just a >>quick hack. I didn't know anything about ALSA develpment, the GTK+ >>toolkit and linux threads until this morning when I've started studying >>some tutorials (used the midirouter.c code from the ALSA tutorial by >>Matthias Nagorni as a starting point). So, be kind. >> >>Comments and suggestions are highly appreciated. >> >>Thank you! >> >>c. >> >> >> > > > > > -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Jul 6 18:50:27 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Jul 6 18:49:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New website trial Message-ID: <20060706235027.7532551d@localhost> I'm trying out some css ideas on a new web page and would appreciate any comments. Most of the links should work OK, but it's really the style and readability I'm interested in hearing about. It seems OK to me on firefox 1.5 and Opera 9. The link is: www.folderol.ukfsn.org/lostdreams -- Will J G From _ at whats-your.name Thu Jul 6 18:53:18 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Jul 6 18:53:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New website trial In-Reply-To: <20060706235027.7532551d@localhost> References: <20060706235027.7532551d@localhost> Message-ID: <20060706225318.GC13056@replic.net> On Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 11:50:27PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > I'm trying out some css ideas on a new web page and would appreciate > any comments. Most of the links should work OK, but it's really the > style and readability I'm interested in hearing about. > > It seems OK to me on firefox 1.5 and Opera 9. > > The link is: > > www.folderol.ukfsn.org/lostdreams Not Found The requested URL /lostdreams was not found on this server. also, adding http would ease url opening for those who dont use gnome-terminal.. > > -- > Will J G > From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Jul 6 19:07:08 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Jul 6 19:07:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44AD7395.6040301@joow.be> References: <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <20060704002428.GE8106@replic.net> <20060705154331.GB14229@slinkp.com> <44ACF76C.4010501@joow.be> <20060706132033.GA9627@slinkp.com> <44AD18C1.8030800@joow.be> <20060706191443.GC7595@replic.net> <44AD7395.6040301@joow.be> Message-ID: On 7/7/06, Pieter Palmers wrote: > carmen wrote: > > On Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 02:00:05PM -0400, Dan Easley wrote: > >> On 7/6/06, Pieter Palmers wrote: > >>> Paul Winkler wrote: > >>>> On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 01:43:40PM +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote: > >>>>> Modern harddisks use a lot of write caching on the controller to > achieve > >>>>> decent performance. So when power goes down when there is data in the > >>>>> write cache, it is lost. The file system however 'thinks' that data > has > >>>>> been written correctly. This hence results in file system corruption. > >> Thanks much for this whole thread. It's added substance to what I > >> previously thought was just personal paranoia and suspicion. > >> > >> I've been under the impression it's cheaper to buy used UPS's and buy > >> replacement batteries for them. Has anyone done this to good results? > > > > im guessing 2 drives , synched nightly via rsync, or in a RAID > configuration, is cheaper, and friendlier for the environment than > huge/heavy UPS batteries. i guess i'd invest in that if the electricity > infrastructure in my area was particularly bad. or in combination with > daytime solar replenishing to run completely off-grid. > > > The RAID does *not* help against power failures. been there, done that. > > rsync will do, but then you have to make sure that the outage does not > occur when running rsync. Anyway it lowers the chance that you'll have > problems. > > > soudns like overkill as a hedge against drive failure though. drives will > fail. > > UPS'es don't prevent mechanical drive failure, but they do prevent > 'soft' bad sectors. My belief is that these are the most common. > > I wouldn't think a 100? UPS is more overkill than an extra 160G drive > (costing about the same) for RAID/rsync mirroring. > > I've made up my mind about this: 'this UPS is to stay', but feel free > not to agree of course ;) > > Pieter > 100 euro! for 160G ouch! my 300 gb 16 mb cache sata2 drive was much less than that! I don't really have anything that vitial that loosing it would really suck... guess if i ever make some decent recordings... Otherwise it all makes sense ;) From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Jul 6 19:09:22 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Jul 6 19:08:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New website trial In-Reply-To: <20060706225318.GC13056@replic.net> References: <20060706235027.7532551d@localhost> <20060706225318.GC13056@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060707000922.677ffd85@localhost> On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:53:18 +0000 carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > On Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 11:50:27PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > I'm trying out some css ideas on a new web page and would appreciate > > any comments. Most of the links should work OK, but it's really the > > style and readability I'm interested in hearing about. > > > > It seems OK to me on firefox 1.5 and Opera 9. > > > > The link is: > > > > www.folderol.ukfsn.org/lostdreams > > > Not Found > The requested URL /lostdreams was not found on this server. > > also, adding http would ease url opening for those who dont use gnome-terminal.. Sorry. Goofed again try: www.folderol.ukfsn.org/lostdreams.shtml -- Will J G From jordan at jdnash.org Thu Jul 6 19:10:53 2006 From: jordan at jdnash.org (Jordan Nash) Date: Thu Jul 6 19:11:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <44ADA690.7000105@poeticstudios.com> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <1152223440.9924.11.camel@jordan.nash.net> <44ADA690.7000105@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <1152227454.9924.14.camel@jordan.nash.net> OK, I got it to run now. How do I get it to route midi information, though? I have it set to go between Rosegarden and ZynAddSubFX, but it doesn't seem to pass on the information. I've also tried to put it between the Virtual Keyboard and ZynAddSubFX, but I can't seem to get it to pass on the MIDI data. -Jordan On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 00:10 +0000, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Jordan Nash wrote: > > >Really interesting idea. I can't wait to play with it. > > > >I am using Fedora Core 5. This could be just the results of my being > >inexperienced at compiling, here is the console output of the make > >command: > > > >------------------------ > >[me@mycomp ALSA-MIDI-Humanizer-0.0.1]$ make > >make: Warning: File `Makefile' has modification time 7.6e+02 s in the > >future > >gcc humanizer.c -o humanizer -lasound -lpthread `pkg-config --cflags > >--libs gtk+-2.0` > >Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. > >Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' > >to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable > > > > > You lack the gtk+2 development libraries or you should set the > PKG_CONFIG_PATH. > > Check if you have the file 'gtk+-2.0.pc' in /usr/lib/pkgconfig or > /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig. > > c. > > >No package 'gtk+-2.0' found > >humanizer.c:15:21: error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory > >humanizer.c:33: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? > >before ?*? token > >humanizer.c:34: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? > >before ?*? token > >humanizer.c:127: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? > >before ?delete_event? > >humanizer.c: In function ?updateSettings?: > >humanizer.c:138: error: ?spinnerT? undeclared (first use in this > >function) > >humanizer.c:138: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only > >once > >humanizer.c:138: error: for each function it appears in.) > >humanizer.c:139: error: ?spinnerV? undeclared (first use in this > >function) > >humanizer.c: At top level: > >humanizer.c:142: error: expected ?)? before ?*? token > >humanizer.c:148: error: expected ?)? before ?*? token > >humanizer.c: In function ?main?: > >humanizer.c:158: error: ?GtkWidget? undeclared (first use in this > >function) > >humanizer.c:158: error: ?window? undeclared (first use in this function) > >humanizer.c:159: error: ?button? undeclared (first use in this function) > >humanizer.c:160: error: ?main_vbox? undeclared (first use in this > >function) > >humanizer.c:160: error: ?hbox? undeclared (first use in this function) > >humanizer.c:161: error: ?GtkObject? undeclared (first use in this > >function) > >humanizer.c:161: error: ?adj1? undeclared (first use in this function) > >humanizer.c:161: error: ?adj2? undeclared (first use in this function) > >humanizer.c:164: error: ?frame? undeclared (first use in this function) > >humanizer.c:174: error: ?GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL? undeclared (first use in > >this function) > >humanizer.c:177: error: ?delete_event? undeclared (first use in this > >function) > >humanizer.c:181: error: ?FALSE? undeclared (first use in this function) > >humanizer.c:186: error: ?TRUE? undeclared (first use in this function) > >humanizer.c:195: error: ?scaleT? undeclared (first use in this function) > >humanizer.c:201: error: ?spinnerT? undeclared (first use in this > >function) > >humanizer.c:208: error: ?cb_update_spinner? undeclared (first use in > >this function) > >humanizer.c:208: error: ?gpointer? undeclared (first use in this > >function) > >humanizer.c:208: error: expected ?)? before ?spinnerT? > >humanizer.c:211: error: ?cb_update_scale? undeclared (first use in this > >function) > >humanizer.c:211: error: expected ?)? before ?adj1? > >humanizer.c:230: error: ?scaleV? undeclared (first use in this function) > >humanizer.c:236: error: ?spinnerV? undeclared (first use in this > >function) > >humanizer.c:243: error: expected ?)? before ?spinnerV? > >humanizer.c:246: error: expected ?)? before ?adj1? > >make: *** [all] Error 1 > >------------------------ > > > >On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 23:42 +0000, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > > > > >>ALSA MIDI Humanizer is a tiny application that route MIDI events between > >>two applications adding random timing and velocity offsets to NOTEON and > >>NOTEOFF events, with a bare bones GUI to adjust the two ranges. > >> > >>More infos here: > >> > >>http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/blog/?post=17 > >> > >>Download: > >> > >>http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/download/ALSA-MIDI-Humanizer-0.0.1.tar.gz > >> > >>To build it just 'make'. > >> > >>For the developers reading this list: at the moment the code is just a > >>quick hack. I didn't know anything about ALSA develpment, the GTK+ > >>toolkit and linux threads until this morning when I've started studying > >>some tutorials (used the midirouter.c code from the ALSA tutorial by > >>Matthias Nagorni as a starting point). So, be kind. > >> > >>Comments and suggestions are highly appreciated. > >> > >>Thank you! > >> > >>c. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Jul 6 21:19:09 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Jul 6 19:18:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <1152227454.9924.14.camel@jordan.nash.net> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <1152223440.9924.11.camel@jordan.nash.net> <44ADA690.7000105@poeticstudios.com> <1152227454.9924.14.camel@jordan.nash.net> Message-ID: <44ADB68D.9010104@poeticstudios.com> Jordan Nash wrote: >OK, I got it to run now. > >How do I get it to route midi information, though? I have it set to go >between Rosegarden and ZynAddSubFX, but it doesn't seem to pass on the >information. I've also tried to put it between the Virtual Keyboard and >ZynAddSubFX, but I can't seem to get it to pass on the MIDI data. > >-Jordan > > > You can use qjackctl to connect Rosegarden MIDI output to it, and its output to Zyn input. c. >On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 00:10 +0000, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > >>Jordan Nash wrote: >> >> >> >>>Really interesting idea. I can't wait to play with it. >>> >>>I am using Fedora Core 5. This could be just the results of my being >>>inexperienced at compiling, here is the console output of the make >>>command: >>> >>>------------------------ >>>[me@mycomp ALSA-MIDI-Humanizer-0.0.1]$ make >>>make: Warning: File `Makefile' has modification time 7.6e+02 s in the >>>future >>>gcc humanizer.c -o humanizer -lasound -lpthread `pkg-config --cflags >>>--libs gtk+-2.0` >>>Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. >>>Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' >>>to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable >>> >>> >>> >>> >>You lack the gtk+2 development libraries or you should set the >>PKG_CONFIG_PATH. >> >>Check if you have the file 'gtk+-2.0.pc' in /usr/lib/pkgconfig or >>/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig. >> >>c. >> >> >> >>>No package 'gtk+-2.0' found >>>humanizer.c:15:21: error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory >>>humanizer.c:33: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? >>>before ?*? token >>>humanizer.c:34: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? >>>before ?*? token >>>humanizer.c:127: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? >>>before ?delete_event? >>>humanizer.c: In function ?updateSettings?: >>>humanizer.c:138: error: ?spinnerT? undeclared (first use in this >>>function) >>>humanizer.c:138: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only >>>once >>>humanizer.c:138: error: for each function it appears in.) >>>humanizer.c:139: error: ?spinnerV? undeclared (first use in this >>>function) >>>humanizer.c: At top level: >>>humanizer.c:142: error: expected ?)? before ?*? token >>>humanizer.c:148: error: expected ?)? before ?*? token >>>humanizer.c: In function ?main?: >>>humanizer.c:158: error: ?GtkWidget? undeclared (first use in this >>>function) >>>humanizer.c:158: error: ?window? undeclared (first use in this function) >>>humanizer.c:159: error: ?button? undeclared (first use in this function) >>>humanizer.c:160: error: ?main_vbox? undeclared (first use in this >>>function) >>>humanizer.c:160: error: ?hbox? undeclared (first use in this function) >>>humanizer.c:161: error: ?GtkObject? undeclared (first use in this >>>function) >>>humanizer.c:161: error: ?adj1? undeclared (first use in this function) >>>humanizer.c:161: error: ?adj2? undeclared (first use in this function) >>>humanizer.c:164: error: ?frame? undeclared (first use in this function) >>>humanizer.c:174: error: ?GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL? undeclared (first use in >>>this function) >>>humanizer.c:177: error: ?delete_event? undeclared (first use in this >>>function) >>>humanizer.c:181: error: ?FALSE? undeclared (first use in this function) >>>humanizer.c:186: error: ?TRUE? undeclared (first use in this function) >>>humanizer.c:195: error: ?scaleT? undeclared (first use in this function) >>>humanizer.c:201: error: ?spinnerT? undeclared (first use in this >>>function) >>>humanizer.c:208: error: ?cb_update_spinner? undeclared (first use in >>>this function) >>>humanizer.c:208: error: ?gpointer? undeclared (first use in this >>>function) >>>humanizer.c:208: error: expected ?)? before ?spinnerT? >>>humanizer.c:211: error: ?cb_update_scale? undeclared (first use in this >>>function) >>>humanizer.c:211: error: expected ?)? before ?adj1? >>>humanizer.c:230: error: ?scaleV? undeclared (first use in this function) >>>humanizer.c:236: error: ?spinnerV? undeclared (first use in this >>>function) >>>humanizer.c:243: error: expected ?)? before ?spinnerV? >>>humanizer.c:246: error: expected ?)? before ?adj1? >>>make: *** [all] Error 1 >>>------------------------ >>> >>>On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 23:42 +0000, Cesare Marilungo wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>ALSA MIDI Humanizer is a tiny application that route MIDI events between >>>>two applications adding random timing and velocity offsets to NOTEON and >>>>NOTEOFF events, with a bare bones GUI to adjust the two ranges. >>>> >>>>More infos here: >>>> >>>>http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/blog/?post=17 >>>> >>>>Download: >>>> >>>>http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/download/ALSA-MIDI-Humanizer-0.0.1.tar.gz >>>> >>>>To build it just 'make'. >>>> >>>>For the developers reading this list: at the moment the code is just a >>>>quick hack. I didn't know anything about ALSA develpment, the GTK+ >>>>toolkit and linux threads until this morning when I've started studying >>>>some tutorials (used the midirouter.c code from the ALSA tutorial by >>>>Matthias Nagorni as a starting point). So, be kind. >>>> >>>>Comments and suggestions are highly appreciated. >>>> >>>>Thank you! >>>> >>>>c. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From smcameron at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 19:45:35 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Thu Jul 6 19:45:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Cesare Marilungo wrote: > ALSA MIDI Humanizer is a tiny application that route MIDI events between > two applications adding random timing and velocity offsets to NOTEON and [...] > For the developers reading this list: at the moment the code is just a > quick hack. I didn't know anything about ALSA develpment, the GTK+ > toolkit and linux threads until this morning when I've started studying > some tutorials (used the midirouter.c code from the ALSA tutorial by > Matthias Nagorni as a starting point). So, be kind. > > Comments and suggestions are highly appreciated. Interesting idea, though I'm not sure adding random delays really "humanizes" things. Of course I realize this is mostly something you've put together as a learning exercise. BTW, in case you're interested in reading some ramblings of another beginning ALSA MIDI programmer (me), you might check out this: http://www.geocities.com/smcameron/linux-audio-notes.html, which is kind of a log I've kept for the last year or so. Maybe there are some interesting links in there, if nothing else, or maybe some humor at my expense, LOL. For a humanizing type feature of my drum machine application, I added a per instrument (per note, really, as MIDI drums instruments are mapped to notes) feature that allows a particular instrument to "drag" or "rush" which is to say, fire off a little late, or a little early. My implementation is a little buggy, in that when dragging or rushing causes an instrument to slip across a measure boundary, things get a little squirrelly, but the idea is there. I got that idea from reading a little instructional book about playing the drums, I guess it's common practice among drommers to keep some important instruments in fairly strict time, while kind of messing about with some others. I guess for a filter app, "rushing" is not really possible, without a time machine, though "dragging" every other instrument would amount to the same thing, plus insertion of latency. -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Jul 6 22:09:17 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Jul 6 20:09:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44ADC24D.8090901@poeticstudios.com> Stephen Cameron wrote: >--- Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > >>ALSA MIDI Humanizer is a tiny application that route MIDI events between >>two applications adding random timing and velocity offsets to NOTEON and >> >> >[...] > > >>For the developers reading this list: at the moment the code is just a >>quick hack. I didn't know anything about ALSA develpment, the GTK+ >>toolkit and linux threads until this morning when I've started studying >>some tutorials (used the midirouter.c code from the ALSA tutorial by >>Matthias Nagorni as a starting point). So, be kind. >> >>Comments and suggestions are highly appreciated. >> >> > >Interesting idea, though I'm not sure adding random delays >really "humanizes" things. Of course I realize this is mostly >something you've put together as a learning exercise. BTW, >in case you're interested in reading some ramblings of another >beginning ALSA MIDI programmer (me), you might check out this: >http://www.geocities.com/smcameron/linux-audio-notes.html, which >is kind of a log I've kept for the last year or so. > >Maybe there are some interesting links in there, if nothing >else, or maybe some humor at my expense, LOL. > >For a humanizing type feature of my drum machine application, >I added a per instrument (per note, really, as MIDI drums >instruments are mapped to notes) feature that allows a particular >instrument to "drag" or "rush" which is to say, fire off a little >late, or a little early. My implementation is a little buggy, in >that when dragging or rushing causes an instrument to slip across >a measure boundary, things get a little squirrelly, but the idea >is there. I got that idea from reading a little instructional book >about playing the drums, I guess it's common practice among drommers >to keep some important instruments in fairly strict time, while kind >of messing about with some others. > >I guess for a filter app, "rushing" is not really possible, without >a time machine, though "dragging" every other instrument would >amount to the same thing, plus insertion of latency. > >-- steve > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > Thank you for your suggestions, Steve! Yes, I'm writing it also as a learning exercise but I plan to actually use it. I've always used this kind of functionality in cubase. And yes, "rushing" is not possible without a timemachine. :-) It could be done inside a sequencer, reading ahead. Another problem that should be solved is that with the current implementation a noteon event that has been randomly delayed too much can happen after the noteoff. I've also planned to add the possibility to have more channels, each with its own settings. But it would be interesting if I can define some filtering rules (like notes and velocity ranges) for each channel. This is easy. Give me some time. It's just version 0.0.1! Don't they say to release early? c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From smcameron at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 20:17:19 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Thu Jul 6 20:17:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <44ADC24D.8090901@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <20060707001719.69491.qmail@web33014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Cesare Marilungo wrote: [...] > Give me some time. It's just version 0.0.1! Don't they say to release early? Of course. I wasn't meaning to criticize, hope it didn't seem that way. -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From james at dis-dot-dat.net Thu Jul 6 20:17:46 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Thu Jul 6 20:18:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New website trial In-Reply-To: <20060707000922.677ffd85@localhost> References: <20060706235027.7532551d@localhost> <20060706225318.GC13056@replic.net> <20060707000922.677ffd85@localhost> Message-ID: <20060707001746.GB21695@fitz.Belkin> On Fri, 07 Jul, 2006 at 12:09AM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:53:18 +0000 > carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > > > On Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 11:50:27PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > > I'm trying out some css ideas on a new web page and would appreciate > > > any comments. Most of the links should work OK, but it's really the > > > style and readability I'm interested in hearing about. > > > > > > It seems OK to me on firefox 1.5 and Opera 9. > > > > > > The link is: > > > > > > www.folderol.ukfsn.org/lostdreams > > > > > > Not Found > > The requested URL /lostdreams was not found on this server. > > > > also, adding http would ease url opening for those who dont use gnome-terminal.. > > > Sorry. Goofed again try: > > www.folderol.ukfsn.org/lostdreams.shtml The mouseoverness is neat. A HCI/Usability person might disagree, but stuff them ;) The grainy background makes it a bit of a strain to read the text. Why not go for something much softer, or even just a solid colour? James From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Jul 6 22:30:14 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Jul 6 20:29:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <20060707001719.69491.qmail@web33014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060707001719.69491.qmail@web33014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44ADC736.4000107@poeticstudios.com> Stephen Cameron wrote: >--- Cesare Marilungo wrote: >[...] > > >>Give me some time. It's just version 0.0.1! Don't they say to release early? >> >> > >Of course. I wasn't meaning to criticize, hope it didn't seem that way. > >-- steve > > > I was joking. c. >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jul 6 20:43:14 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jul 6 20:42:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New website trial In-Reply-To: <20060707001746.GB21695@fitz.Belkin> References: <20060706235027.7532551d@localhost> <20060706225318.GC13056@replic.net> <20060707000922.677ffd85@localhost> <20060707001746.GB21695@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <1152232995.4736.54.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 01:17 +0100, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > The grainy background makes it a bit of a strain to read the text. > Why not go for something much softer, or even just a solid colour? Hey, at least he didn't go for white text on black background ;-) Lee From _ at whats-your.name Thu Jul 6 21:13:36 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Jul 6 21:13:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New website trial In-Reply-To: <20060707001746.GB21695@fitz.Belkin> References: <20060706235027.7532551d@localhost> <20060706225318.GC13056@replic.net> <20060707000922.677ffd85@localhost> <20060707001746.GB21695@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060707011336.GG13056@replic.net> > > www.folderol.ukfsn.org/lostdreams.shtml > > The mouseoverness is neat. A HCI/Usability person might disagree only in the sense that normal stuff is broken, i mean you cant middle click to download the files, or even right click save target as. you have to manually click each one. s exist for a reason :) not to mention even single-clicking on them is broken in this case, not sure why. if i was impressed enough with the band or whatever this page was representing, via the layout, or a brief description or whatever, id overlook this glaring flaw of 'i cant listen to the music' and write a one-liner to grab the file urls out of the broken javascript, but im not getting that sense here.. From jordan at jdnash.org Thu Jul 6 21:23:55 2006 From: jordan at jdnash.org (Jordan Nash) Date: Thu Jul 6 21:24:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New website trial In-Reply-To: <20060707000922.677ffd85@localhost> References: <20060706235027.7532551d@localhost> <20060706225318.GC13056@replic.net> <20060707000922.677ffd85@localhost> Message-ID: <1152235435.2155.2.camel@jordan.nash.net> Nice idea. As a web user, I would prefer that a designed stick with standards wherever possible. In this case, you need to use CSS for style, and HTML for content. A simple test is to disable stylesheets in your web browser (Firefox: View > Page Style > No Style) and verify that it is still understandable. CSS is a wonderful thing. Every designer should be an expert in its use. -Jordan On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 00:09 +0100, Folderol wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:53:18 +0000 > carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > > > On Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 11:50:27PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > > I'm trying out some css ideas on a new web page and would appreciate > > > any comments. Most of the links should work OK, but it's really the > > > style and readability I'm interested in hearing about. > > > > > > It seems OK to me on firefox 1.5 and Opera 9. > > > > > > The link is: > > > > > > www.folderol.ukfsn.org/lostdreams > > > > > > Not Found > > The requested URL /lostdreams was not found on this server. > > > > also, adding http would ease url opening for those who dont use gnome-terminal.. > > > Sorry. Goofed again try: > > www.folderol.ukfsn.org/lostdreams.shtml > From t_w_ at freenet.de Fri Jul 7 04:47:00 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Fri Jul 7 04:47:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New website trial In-Reply-To: <20060706235027.7532551d@localhost> References: <20060706235027.7532551d@localhost> Message-ID: <20060707084700.GA7858@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 11:50:27PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > I'm trying out some css ideas on a new web page and would appreciate > any comments. Most of the links should work OK, but it's really the > style and readability I'm interested in hearing about. Only some of the MP3/Ogg links work. And even then right-click, Save_link_as doesn't lead to the file, but linkcount.pl. The CSS hover trick is neat. The background hurts readability quite some. You could try reducing its contrast. The grayness is so dry, rather depressing and doesn't look like your music sounds one bit. The following general associations I had with your music could lead to a colour scheme: air, rain, river, fog, moonlight but also a picknick in the green, in warm sunshine. -- Thorsten Wilms From fbar at footils.org Fri Jul 7 05:10:16 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Fri Jul 7 05:10:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060707091016.GG3356@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Stephen Cameron hat gesagt: // Stephen Cameron wrote: > Interesting idea, though I'm not sure adding random delays > really "humanizes" things. Humans, even bad musicians, don't play randomly "wrong", so it is indeed not exactly humanizing to just add some random deviations. How to really humanize is an ongoing debate. One interesting concept in this regard is described in the work of Jeff Blimes and in his concept of the "Tatum". A short introduction is this paper: http://ssli.ee.washington.edu/people/bilmes/mypapers/icmc93_paper.pdf Blimes also did listening tests with various approaches on humanizing including random, Gaussian variations. These were rejected by most listeners as "sloppy" and "random" and this approach according to his paper is the worst one to "humanize". Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From pieterp at joow.be Fri Jul 7 06:16:09 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Fri Jul 7 06:16:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: References: <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <20060704002428.GE8106@replic.net> <20060705154331.GB14229@slinkp.com> <44ACF76C.4010501@joow.be> <20060706132033.GA9627@slinkp.com> <44AD18C1.8030800@joow.be> <20060706191443.GC7595@replic.net> <44AD7395.6040301@joow.be> Message-ID: <44AE3469.4060501@joow.be> Loki Davison wrote: > On 7/7/06, Pieter Palmers wrote: > >> carmen wrote: >> > On Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 02:00:05PM -0400, Dan Easley wrote: >> >> On 7/6/06, Pieter Palmers wrote: >> >>> Paul Winkler wrote: >> >>>> On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 01:43:40PM +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote: >> >>>>> Modern harddisks use a lot of write caching on the controller to >> achieve >> >>>>> decent performance. So when power goes down when there is data >> in the >> >>>>> write cache, it is lost. The file system however 'thinks' that >> data >> has >> >>>>> been written correctly. This hence results in file system >> corruption. >> >> Thanks much for this whole thread. It's added substance to what I >> >> previously thought was just personal paranoia and suspicion. >> >> >> >> I've been under the impression it's cheaper to buy used UPS's and buy >> >> replacement batteries for them. Has anyone done this to good >> results? >> > >> > im guessing 2 drives , synched nightly via rsync, or in a RAID >> configuration, is cheaper, and friendlier for the environment than >> huge/heavy UPS batteries. i guess i'd invest in that if the electricity >> infrastructure in my area was particularly bad. or in combination with >> daytime solar replenishing to run completely off-grid. >> > >> The RAID does *not* help against power failures. been there, done that. >> >> rsync will do, but then you have to make sure that the outage does not >> occur when running rsync. Anyway it lowers the chance that you'll have >> problems. >> >> > soudns like overkill as a hedge against drive failure though. >> drives will >> fail. >> >> UPS'es don't prevent mechanical drive failure, but they do prevent >> 'soft' bad sectors. My belief is that these are the most common. >> >> I wouldn't think a 100? UPS is more overkill than an extra 160G drive >> (costing about the same) for RAID/rsync mirroring. >> >> I've made up my mind about this: 'this UPS is to stay', but feel free >> not to agree of course ;) >> >> Pieter >> > > 100 euro! for 160G ouch! my 300 gb 16 mb cache sata2 drive was much > less than that! I don't really have anything that vitial that loosing > it would really suck... guess if i ever make some decent recordings... I have the bad luck of living in an expensive country I guess: WD Caviar 1600JS : 160 Gb S-ATA II (7200/300-8Mb): 86 euro Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 160Gb S-ATA II 8Mb: 88 euro Maxtor 6V160E0 : 160Gb (7200/300-8Mb) SATA II: 78 euro MGE Protection Center 420: 89 euro MGE Protection Center 500 USB: 102 euro The 300Gb disks are around 120 euro here. Probably the you'll be able to get a UPS for less then too. Greets, Pieter PS: where did you get these prices? From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Jul 7 08:47:39 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Jul 7 06:47:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <20060707091016.GG3356@fliwatut.scifi> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060707091016.GG3356@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <44AE57EB.4070608@poeticstudios.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: >Hallo, >Stephen Cameron hat gesagt: // Stephen Cameron wrote: > > > >>Interesting idea, though I'm not sure adding random delays >>really "humanizes" things. >> >> > >Humans, even bad musicians, don't play randomly "wrong", so it is >indeed not exactly humanizing to just add some random deviations. How >to really humanize is an ongoing debate. One interesting concept in >this regard is described in the work of Jeff Blimes and in his concept >of the "Tatum". A short introduction is this paper: >http://ssli.ee.washington.edu/people/bilmes/mypapers/icmc93_paper.pdf > >Blimes also did listening tests with various approaches on humanizing >including random, Gaussian variations. These were rejected by most >listeners as "sloppy" and "random" and this approach according to his >paper is the worst one to "humanize". > >Ciao > > Well, I called it 'humanizer' just because it is how this kind of functionality in sequencers and drum machines has always been called, AFAIK. It doesn't pretend to make a track programmed in a sequencer more human. However I really find it useful when used with small range settings, even applied to the kind of tracks that in some music styles (like electronic music) could also have been left as they were programmed. As Stephen said, if you just randomize the timing and the velocity of a sequenced drum track it doesn't sound as a real drummer at all. But you can program the more audible variations by hand, add a very subtle randomization to the whole track and use a slightly wider range for the cymbals. Anyway, as I said, I've always used this functionality in various situations (but I can't speak for my own results). It is builtin in cubase, digital performer and any other commercial software sequencer I've tried in my life. Don't think of it as a pretentious attempt to revolutionize computer music. It's just a little utility app that somebody might find useful in some situations. Even more, I believe that an application that sounds just like a real drummer for instance, is possible, but I'm not really interested in such thing artistically speaking. Cheers, c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Jul 7 08:56:30 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Jul 7 06:56:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <44AE57EB.4070608@poeticstudios.com> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060707091016.GG3356@fliwatut.scifi> <44AE57EB.4070608@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <44AE59FE.70804@poeticstudios.com> Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Frank Barknecht wrote: > >> Hallo, >> Stephen Cameron hat gesagt: // Stephen Cameron wrote: >> >> >> >>> Interesting idea, though I'm not sure adding random delays >>> really "humanizes" things. >> >> >> Humans, even bad musicians, don't play randomly "wrong", so it is >> indeed not exactly humanizing to just add some random deviations. How >> to really humanize is an ongoing debate. One interesting concept in >> this regard is described in the work of Jeff Blimes and in his concept >> of the "Tatum". A short introduction is this paper: >> http://ssli.ee.washington.edu/people/bilmes/mypapers/icmc93_paper.pdf >> >> Blimes also did listening tests with various approaches on humanizing >> including random, Gaussian variations. These were rejected by most >> listeners as "sloppy" and "random" and this approach according to his >> paper is the worst one to "humanize". >> >> Ciao >> >> > Well, I called it 'humanizer' just because it is how this kind of > functionality in sequencers and drum machines has always been called, > AFAIK. It doesn't pretend to make a track programmed in a sequencer > more human. > > However I really find it useful when used with small range settings, > even applied to the kind of tracks that in some music styles (like > electronic music) could also have been left as they were programmed. > > As Stephen said, if you just randomize the timing and the velocity of > a sequenced drum track it doesn't sound as a real drummer at all. But > you can program the more audible variations by hand, add a very subtle > randomization to the whole track and use a slightly wider range for > the cymbals. > > Anyway, as I said, I've always used this functionality in various > situations (but I can't speak for my own results). It is builtin in > cubase, digital performer and any other commercial software sequencer > I've tried in my life. > > Don't think of it as a pretentious attempt to revolutionize computer > music. It's just a little utility app that somebody might find useful > in some situations. > > Even more, I believe that an application that sounds just like a real > drummer for instance, is possible, but I'm not really interested in > such thing artistically speaking. > > Cheers, > > c. > I've just found this: http://www.midi-plugins.de/mplug/mplug-hum.html This is more or less what I plan to do with this project. Are you interested? c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Jul 7 07:02:25 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Jul 7 07:02:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44AE3469.4060501@joow.be> References: <44A91556.5090207@woh.rr.com> <20060705154331.GB14229@slinkp.com> <44ACF76C.4010501@joow.be> <20060706132033.GA9627@slinkp.com> <44AD18C1.8030800@joow.be> <20060706191443.GC7595@replic.net> <44AD7395.6040301@joow.be> <44AE3469.4060501@joow.be> Message-ID: On 7/7/06, Pieter Palmers wrote: > Loki Davison wrote: > > > On 7/7/06, Pieter Palmers wrote: > > > >> carmen wrote: > >> > On Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 02:00:05PM -0400, Dan Easley wrote: > >> >> On 7/6/06, Pieter Palmers wrote: > >> >>> Paul Winkler wrote: > >> >>>> On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 01:43:40PM +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote: > >> >>>>> Modern harddisks use a lot of write caching on the controller to > >> achieve > >> >>>>> decent performance. So when power goes down when there is data > >> in the > >> >>>>> write cache, it is lost. The file system however 'thinks' that > >> data > >> has > >> >>>>> been written correctly. This hence results in file system > >> corruption. > >> >> Thanks much for this whole thread. It's added substance to what I > >> >> previously thought was just personal paranoia and suspicion. > >> >> > >> >> I've been under the impression it's cheaper to buy used UPS's and buy > >> >> replacement batteries for them. Has anyone done this to good > >> results? > >> > > >> > im guessing 2 drives , synched nightly via rsync, or in a RAID > >> configuration, is cheaper, and friendlier for the environment than > >> huge/heavy UPS batteries. i guess i'd invest in that if the electricity > >> infrastructure in my area was particularly bad. or in combination with > >> daytime solar replenishing to run completely off-grid. > >> > > >> The RAID does *not* help against power failures. been there, done that. > >> > >> rsync will do, but then you have to make sure that the outage does not > >> occur when running rsync. Anyway it lowers the chance that you'll have > >> problems. > >> > >> > soudns like overkill as a hedge against drive failure though. > >> drives will > >> fail. > >> > >> UPS'es don't prevent mechanical drive failure, but they do prevent > >> 'soft' bad sectors. My belief is that these are the most common. > >> > >> I wouldn't think a 100? UPS is more overkill than an extra 160G drive > >> (costing about the same) for RAID/rsync mirroring. > >> > >> I've made up my mind about this: 'this UPS is to stay', but feel free > >> not to agree of course ;) > >> > >> Pieter > >> > > > > 100 euro! for 160G ouch! my 300 gb 16 mb cache sata2 drive was much > > less than that! I don't really have anything that vitial that loosing > > it would really suck... guess if i ever make some decent recordings... > > I have the bad luck of living in an expensive country I guess: > > WD Caviar 1600JS : 160 Gb S-ATA II (7200/300-8Mb): 86 euro > Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 160Gb S-ATA II 8Mb: 88 euro > Maxtor 6V160E0 : 160Gb (7200/300-8Mb) SATA II: 78 euro > > MGE Protection Center 420: 89 euro > MGE Protection Center 500 USB: 102 euro > > The 300Gb disks are around 120 euro here. > > Probably the you'll be able to get a UPS for less then too. > > Greets, > > Pieter > > PS: where did you get these prices? > > 135.00 AUD Australia Dollars = 78.9844 EUR Euro Maxtor 300gb http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf Good prices there on most stuff. Though probably more handy if you live in Australia ;) Loki From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Jul 7 07:21:46 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 7 07:09:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <44AE57EB.4070608@poeticstudios.com> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060707091016.GG3356@fliwatut.scifi> <44AE57EB.4070608@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <44AE43CA.1030801@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Ah, one of my favorite threads. I compose a lot with MIDI, and sometimes I like to try making the results sound at least a little more human. A few (probably obvious) notes : No human player can play two notes in a row with exactly the same precision, it's simply not possible. Small-range random changes to velocity at least help shake up the flatness of MIDI parts. However, if the range of variation is too wide the randomizations sound pointless. No human players play with metronomic accuracy, nor is such a thing desirable from human players. However, the range of variation is a significant consideration. Set drummers often play the bass drum, snare, hi-hat, and cymbal in slightly different tempo relations, creating the various grooves and feels that underlie musical styles. A "groover" would be a cool piece of software, i.e., something that shapes the existing music into another rhythmic style, but I don't think it would be easy to get right. IMO the best way to humanize MIDI parts is to hand-code their velocities, note by note where necessary, which means the coder must have a practical knowledge of performance factors. I also routinely add a tempo track that loops an asymmetric group of fluctuating tempo values, like a very narrow-range LFO applied to tempo. Again, if the width of the range is too great the looseness becomes sloppy, destroying the intended effect. Usually I keep a range of +/-4 clicks, e.g. 120-121-122-121-120-119. If these values are applied to tempo events at the level of 16th-note triplets they'll have a nice "upsetting" effect on the rigidity of the sequencer's tempo. Dynamics and tempo relativities are profound aspects of any engaging performance, whether a player plans them in advance or they occur as an improvised response to the music (and possibly to the other players). Just some thoughts for further consideration. Best, dp From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Jul 7 09:21:28 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Jul 7 07:21:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <44AE43CA.1030801@woh.rr.com> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060707091016.GG3356@fliwatut.scifi> <44AE57EB.4070608@poeticstudios.com> <44AE43CA.1030801@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44AE5FD8.5020405@poeticstudios.com> Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > Ah, one of my favorite threads. I compose a lot with MIDI, and > sometimes I like to try making the results sound at least a little > more human. A few (probably obvious) notes : > > No human player can play two notes in a row with exactly the same > precision, it's simply not possible. Small-range random changes to > velocity at least help shake up the flatness of MIDI parts. However, > if the range of variation is too wide the randomizations sound pointless. > > No human players play with metronomic accuracy, nor is such a thing > desirable from human players. However, the range of variation is a > significant consideration. Set drummers often play the bass drum, > snare, hi-hat, and cymbal in slightly different tempo relations, > creating the various grooves and feels that underlie musical styles. > > A "groover" would be a cool piece of software, i.e., something that > shapes the existing music into another rhythmic style, but I don't > think it would be easy to get right. > > IMO the best way to humanize MIDI parts is to hand-code their > velocities, note by note where necessary, which means the coder must > have a practical knowledge of performance factors. I also routinely > add a tempo track that loops an asymmetric group of fluctuating tempo > values, like a very narrow-range LFO applied to tempo. Again, if the > width of the range is too great the looseness becomes sloppy, > destroying the intended effect. Usually I keep a range of +/-4 clicks, > e.g. 120-121-122-121-120-119. If these values are applied to tempo > events at the level of 16th-note triplets they'll have a nice > "upsetting" effect on the rigidity of the sequencer's tempo. > > Dynamics and tempo relativities are profound aspects of any engaging > performance, whether a player plans them in advance or they occur as > an improvised response to the music (and possibly to the other players). > > Just some thoughts for further consideration. > > Best, > > dp > > > Dave, have you seen this software I've just found? http://www.midi-plugins.de/mplug/mplug-hum.html This is quite close to what I want to achieve. After I've read your comments, and those by Frank and Stephen, I believe that the possibilty to choose different probability curves (linear, gaussian, exponential, reverse exponential) is the next feature to add. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Jul 7 08:07:05 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 7 07:55:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <44AE5FD8.5020405@poeticstudios.com> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060707091016.GG3356@fliwatut.scifi> <44AE57EB.4070608@poeticstudios.com> <44AE43CA.1030801@woh.rr.com> <44AE5FD8.5020405@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <44AE4E69.5040703@woh.rr.com> Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Dave, have you seen this software I've just found? > > http://www.midi-plugins.de/mplug/mplug-hum.html > > This is quite close to what I want to achieve. I took a look at it after seeing your link to it. Very interesting, I'd like to check it out. > After I've read your comments, and those by Frank and Stephen, I > believe that the possibilty to choose different probability curves > (linear, gaussian, exponential, reverse exponential) is the next > feature to add. I agree. These things are at least worth trying, and they may inspire some musical usage we haven't yet considered. I love surprises... :) Best, dp From ardour at semiosix.com Fri Jul 7 10:23:05 2006 From: ardour at semiosix.com (John Anderson) Date: Fri Jul 7 10:23:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <44AE5FD8.5020405@poeticstudios.com> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060707091016.GG3356@fliwatut.scifi> <44AE57EB.4070608@poeticstudios.com> <44AE43CA.1030801@woh.rr.com> <44AE5FD8.5020405@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <1152282185.18514.34.camel@groovious> On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 13:21 +0000, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > After I've read your comments, and those by Frank and Stephen, I believe > that the possibilty to choose different probability curves (linear, > gaussian, exponential, reverse exponential) is the next feature to add. ONe of the things that I find somewhat grating about certain soundfonts is that the vibrato on strings is always exactly the same. Some way to give that some variation would also be nice. bye John From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Jul 7 13:48:50 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Jul 7 11:48:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <1152282185.18514.34.camel@groovious> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060707091016.GG3356@fliwatut.scifi> <44AE57EB.4070608@poeticstudios.com> <44AE43CA.1030801@woh.rr.com> <44AE5FD8.5020405@poeticstudios.com> <1152282185.18514.34.camel@groovious> Message-ID: <44AE9E82.4030108@poeticstudios.com> John Anderson wrote: >On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 13:21 +0000, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > >>After I've read your comments, and those by Frank and Stephen, I believe >>that the possibilty to choose different probability curves (linear, >>gaussian, exponential, reverse exponential) is the next feature to add. >> >> > >ONe of the things that I find somewhat grating about certain soundfonts >is that the vibrato on strings is always exactly the same. Some way to >give that some variation would also be nice. > >bye >John > > > > > > I don't think this is possible in MIDI. Please, somebody correct me if I'm wrong. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From idragosani at gmail.com Fri Jul 7 11:50:28 2006 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett W. McCoy) Date: Fri Jul 7 11:50:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <44AE9E82.4030108@poeticstudios.com> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060707091016.GG3356@fliwatut.scifi> <44AE57EB.4070608@poeticstudios.com> <44AE43CA.1030801@woh.rr.com> <44AE5FD8.5020405@poeticstudios.com> <1152282185.18514.34.camel@groovious> <44AE9E82.4030108@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <18b65aac0607070850o3b27d02fu9191cc92a816ae17@mail.gmail.com> On 7/7/06, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > >ONe of the things that I find somewhat grating about certain soundfonts > >is that the vibrato on strings is always exactly the same. Some way to > >give that some variation would also be nice. > I don't think this is possible in MIDI. Please, somebody correct me if > I'm wrong. That would have to be addressed in the sample engine itself -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Jul 7 13:57:20 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Jul 7 11:57:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.2 Message-ID: <44AEA080.2030207@poeticstudios.com> Now you can choose between linear (uniform) and gaussian (normal) distribution both for timing and velocity. Needs testing. :-) http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/sw/alsamidihumanizer.php c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Jul 7 13:58:23 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Jul 7 11:58:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <18b65aac0607070850o3b27d02fu9191cc92a816ae17@mail.gmail.com> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060707091016.GG3356@fliwatut.scifi> <44AE57EB.4070608@poeticstudios.com> <44AE43CA.1030801@woh.rr.com> <44AE5FD8.5020405@poeticstudios.com> <1152282185.18514.34.camel@groovious> <44AE9E82.4030108@poeticstudios.com> <18b65aac0607070850o3b27d02fu9191cc92a816ae17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44AEA0BF.9000200@poeticstudios.com> Brett W. McCoy wrote: > On 7/7/06, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > >> >ONe of the things that I find somewhat grating about certain soundfonts >> >is that the vibrato on strings is always exactly the same. Some way to >> >give that some variation would also be nice. > > >> I don't think this is possible in MIDI. Please, somebody correct me if >> I'm wrong. > > > That would have to be addressed in the sample engine itself > Exactly. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From pcoccoli at gmail.com Fri Jul 7 12:47:35 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Fri Jul 7 12:47:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <44AE4E69.5040703@woh.rr.com> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060707091016.GG3356@fliwatut.scifi> <44AE57EB.4070608@poeticstudios.com> <44AE43CA.1030801@woh.rr.com> <44AE5FD8.5020405@poeticstudios.com> <44AE4E69.5040703@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <8d27a0610607070947y21a6de4ahfc73beb76de50047@mail.gmail.com> On 7/7/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > > Dave, have you seen this software I've just found? > > > > http://www.midi-plugins.de/mplug/mplug-hum.html > > > > This is quite close to what I want to achieve. > > I took a look at it after seeing your link to it. Very interesting, I'd > like to check it out. > > > After I've read your comments, and those by Frank and Stephen, I > > believe that the possibilty to choose different probability curves > > (linear, gaussian, exponential, reverse exponential) is the next > > feature to add. > > I agree. These things are at least worth trying, and they may inspire > some musical usage we haven't yet considered. I love surprises... :) > > Best, > > dp > Maybe a more musical way to "humanize" would be to increase velocity (by a small random amount) on the downbeat, and maybe decrease on 1/8th or 1/16th notes. Or an option to increase on the backbeats, decrease elsewhere. Sort of like a step sequencer where you program the delta (relative to the input) at each step instead of the absolute value. You'd need tempo information for any of that, I guess. Might be easier when Jack MIDI is more widely available. What about using pitch bend to slightly "detune" some notes? Might make rolls sounds a little less mechanical... From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Jul 7 15:19:07 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Jul 7 13:19:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610607070947y21a6de4ahfc73beb76de50047@mail.gmail.com> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060707091016.GG3356@fliwatut.scifi> <44AE57EB.4070608@poeticstudios.com> <44AE43CA.1030801@woh.rr.com> <44AE5FD8.5020405@poeticstudios.com> <44AE4E69.5040703@woh.rr.com> <8d27a0610607070947y21a6de4ahfc73beb76de50047@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44AEB3AB.2000609@poeticstudios.com> Paul Coccoli wrote: > On 7/7/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > >> Cesare Marilungo wrote: >> >> > Dave, have you seen this software I've just found? >> > >> > http://www.midi-plugins.de/mplug/mplug-hum.html >> > >> > This is quite close to what I want to achieve. >> >> I took a look at it after seeing your link to it. Very interesting, I'd >> like to check it out. >> >> > After I've read your comments, and those by Frank and Stephen, I >> > believe that the possibilty to choose different probability curves >> > (linear, gaussian, exponential, reverse exponential) is the next >> > feature to add. >> >> I agree. These things are at least worth trying, and they may inspire >> some musical usage we haven't yet considered. I love surprises... :) >> >> Best, >> >> dp >> > > Maybe a more musical way to "humanize" would be to increase velocity > (by a small random amount) on the downbeat, and maybe decrease on > 1/8th or 1/16th notes. Or an option to increase on the backbeats, > decrease elsewhere. Sort of like a step sequencer where you program > the delta (relative to the input) at each step instead of the absolute > value. I was thinking about implementing some filtering rules for this, along with the support for multiple channels. That way you can send notes to different channels with different settings. > > You'd need tempo information for any of that, I guess. Might be > easier when Jack MIDI is more widely available. > > What about using pitch bend to slightly "detune" some notes? Might > make rolls sounds a little less mechanical... > > No. The pitch bend would detune the notes being played all together. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From fbar at footils.org Fri Jul 7 13:57:12 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Fri Jul 7 13:57:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <44AE57EB.4070608@poeticstudios.com> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060707091016.GG3356@fliwatut.scifi> <44AE57EB.4070608@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <20060707175712.GH3356@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Cesare Marilungo hat gesagt: // Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Frank Barknecht wrote: > >to really humanize is an ongoing debate. One interesting concept in > >this regard is described in the work of Jeff Blimes and in his concept > >of the "Tatum". A short introduction is this paper: > >http://ssli.ee.washington.edu/people/bilmes/mypapers/icmc93_paper.pdf > > > Well, I called it 'humanizer' just because it is how this kind of > functionality in sequencers and drum machines has always been called, > ... > Anyway, as I said, I've always used this functionality in various > situations (but I can't speak for my own results). It is builtin in > cubase, digital performer and any other commercial software sequencer > I've tried in my life. Blimes explicitly criticizes the existing sequencer presets for "humanizing". He doesn't do so because they don't sound human, but because their way of just using random variations is "unmusical" - unless of course one tries to do a certain kind of mathematically inspired music, which has its place, too, but most of the times may not be, what users of commercial software sequencers want to achieve. (Actually many of these sequencers also provide ways to use uneven quantizations derived from recordings of real humans.) As Dave P. wrote, if a real *groove* is wanted, editing a lot of stuff like timings and velocities by hand and ear is the usual way to work. Obviously one takes this hard and time consuming road, because just adding gaussian or other randomization is not achieving satisfying results for the goal at hand. I would really recommend to read Blimes' paper and thesis. It is very interesting stuff and maybe you want to try your hand at a Linux clone of the software he presents in the paper afterwards? It would be an interesting project and you could build it on top of your current program. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Jul 7 14:48:34 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Jul 7 14:48:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New website trial In-Reply-To: <20060707001746.GB21695@fitz.Belkin> References: <20060706235027.7532551d@localhost> <20060706225318.GC13056@replic.net> <20060707000922.677ffd85@localhost> <20060707001746.GB21695@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060707194834.0d3fd132@localhost> On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 01:17:46 +0100 james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Fri, 07 Jul, 2006 at 12:09AM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > > On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:53:18 +0000 > > carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > > > > > On Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 11:50:27PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > > > I'm trying out some css ideas on a new web page and would appreciate > > > > any comments. Most of the links should work OK, but it's really the > > > > style and readability I'm interested in hearing about. > > > > > > > > It seems OK to me on firefox 1.5 and Opera 9. > > > > > > > > The link is: > > > > > > > > www.folderol.ukfsn.org/lostdreams > > > > > > > > > Not Found > > > The requested URL /lostdreams was not found on this server. > > > > > > also, adding http would ease url opening for those who dont use gnome-terminal.. > > > > > > Sorry. Goofed again try: > > > > www.folderol.ukfsn.org/lostdreams.shtml > > The mouseoverness is neat. A HCI/Usability person might disagree, but > stuff them ;) Thanks. I got the basic idea from: http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/ > The grainy background makes it a bit of a strain to read the text. > Why not go for something much softer, or even just a solid colour? > > James I've had several comments to this effect. I'll make changes! -- Will J G From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Fri Jul 7 14:58:37 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Jul 7 14:58:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <20060707110955.43470211AE90@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060707110955.43470211AE90@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Dave Phillips: > IMO the best way to humanize MIDI parts is to hand-code their >velocities, note by note where necessary, which means the coder must >have a practical knowledge of performance factors. I also routinely add >a tempo track that loops an asymmetric group of fluctuating tempo >values, like a very narrow-range LFO applied to tempo. Again, if the >width of the range is too great the looseness becomes sloppy, destroying >the intended effect. Usually I keep a range of +/-4 clicks, e.g. >120-121-122-121-120-119. If these values are applied to tempo events at >the level of 16th-note triplets they'll have a nice "upsetting" effect >on the rigidity of the sequencer's tempo. Increasing and decreasing tempo is especially convenient in Radium, where there is an editable tempo-graph available all the time made for making music more "human". http://www.notam02.no/radium/ Also, adding a bit of accelerando or ritardando at the end of each bar, or right before a new theme starts sometime helps as well. From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Jul 7 15:02:30 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Jul 7 15:01:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New website trial In-Reply-To: <20060707011336.GG13056@replic.net> References: <20060706235027.7532551d@localhost> <20060706225318.GC13056@replic.net> <20060707000922.677ffd85@localhost> <20060707001746.GB21695@fitz.Belkin> <20060707011336.GG13056@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060707200230.5612b41d@localhost> On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 01:13:36 +0000 carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > > > www.folderol.ukfsn.org/lostdreams.shtml > > > > The mouseoverness is neat. A HCI/Usability person might disagree > > > only in the sense that normal stuff is broken, i mean you cant middle click to download the files, or even right click save target as. you have to manually click each one. s exist for a reason :) not to mention even single-clicking on them is broken in this case, not sure why. I am really surprised that you are having difficulty with this as I tested all the active links 'live' before posting about this trial site. In both Opera and Firefox all mouse operations behaved normally. they behaved without errors on an old version of Konqueror but in a slightly non-standard way (appears to be the default with this browser for any site). Are you trying to use the links that I mentioned in the text as being invalid? All the ones with 0.0 as the size for ogg or mp3 are invalid for that file. When deciding how to lay the site out - bearing in mind it is a test of style rather than content - I was faced with four choices dealing with unused links. 1) point them to a dummy page - an irriating transfer to another page. 2) leave them as invalid pointers - equally irritating error 404 page. 3) take out the whole link - destroys the layout. 4) make them NULL links which almost all browsers will quietly ignore. I chose number 4. Which would you have preferred? > if i was impressed enough with the band or whatever this page was representing, via the layout, or a brief description or whatever, id overlook this glaring flaw of 'i cant listen to the music' and write a one-liner to grab the file urls out of the broken javascript, but im not getting that sense here.. There is no javascript anywhere on my site. There is a perl script that performs a click count, but this has not (to my knowledge) caused any problems from my main index page so I don't see how it could do so here. -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Jul 7 15:06:21 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Jul 7 15:05:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New website trial In-Reply-To: <1152235435.2155.2.camel@jordan.nash.net> References: <20060706235027.7532551d@localhost> <20060706225318.GC13056@replic.net> <20060707000922.677ffd85@localhost> <1152235435.2155.2.camel@jordan.nash.net> Message-ID: <20060707200621.07cd3d06@localhost> On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 21:23:55 -0400 Jordan Nash wrote: > Nice idea. > > As a web user, I would prefer that a designed stick with standards > wherever possible. That is what i am trying to do. > In this case, you need to use CSS for style, and HTML for content. A > simple test is to disable stylesheets in your web browser (Firefox: View > > Page Style > No Style) and verify that it is still understandable. Ouch! I see what you mean. I don't know how to get round this at present and retain the layout and behaviour I want. It seems to be very difficult to get clear instructions as to *exactly* what commands you can embed in style sheets, where, and to what effect! > CSS is a wonderful thing. Every designer should be an expert in its use. > > -Jordan Thanks. I am working on it... Might take some time :( -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Jul 7 15:12:02 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Jul 7 15:11:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New website trial In-Reply-To: <20060707084700.GA7858@charly.SWORD> References: <20060706235027.7532551d@localhost> <20060707084700.GA7858@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060707201202.683255a4@localhost> On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:47:00 +0200 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 11:50:27PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > I'm trying out some css ideas on a new web page and would appreciate > > any comments. Most of the links should work OK, but it's really the > > style and readability I'm interested in hearing about. > > > Only some of the MP3/Ogg links work. I did say in the text that ones displaying a size of 0.0 wouldn't work as the files simply weren't there yet. All the others should. > And even then right-click, > Save_link_as doesn't lead to the file, but linkcount.pl. Ah. I see the problem with this now. More work I think :( > The CSS hover trick is neat. As I mentioned before, inspired by the 'edge' site. > The background hurts readability quite some. You could try reducing > its contrast. Second complaint :( Must be sorted now! > The grayness is so dry, rather depressing and doesn't look like your > music sounds one bit. The following general associations I had with > your music could lead to a colour scheme: air, rain, river, fog, > moonlight but also a picknick in the green, in warm sunshine. > > > -- > Thorsten Wilms I want to get the overal design right first - lots to do as you can see - I'll pay more attention to colours later. -- Will J G From smcameron at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 16:36:56 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Fri Jul 7 16:37:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New website trial In-Reply-To: <20060707201202.683255a4@localhost> Message-ID: <20060707203656.93116.qmail@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Did nobody else notice the mouseover text that appears sometimes appears superimposed slightly over the edges of the buttons, or sometimes worse, slightly *under* the buttons (und thus unreadable)? I might be using weird fonts... Firefox 1.5.0.4 I like that ctrl+ and ctrl- (text zooming) works without things falling apart. -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Jul 7 16:58:55 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Jul 7 16:57:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New website trial In-Reply-To: <20060707203656.93116.qmail@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060707201202.683255a4@localhost> <20060707203656.93116.qmail@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060707215855.5df4af85@localhost> On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 13:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Stephen Cameron wrote: > > Did nobody else notice the mouseover text that appears sometimes > appears superimposed slightly over the edges of the buttons, or > sometimes worse, slightly *under* the buttons (und thus unreadable)? This *really* shouldn't happen :( > I might be using weird fonts... Firefox 1.5.0.4 I'm using default fonts... same version of firefox > I like that ctrl+ and ctrl- (text zooming) works > without things falling apart. > > -- steve This was something I was *especially* trying to achieve. All measurements/sizes are done in em so should scale together accurately. I've done a small update with the hitcounter removed till I can find out what wrong with it, and the true links coloured to differentiate them from the text information buttons. -- Will J G From st at tobiah.org Fri Jul 7 17:02:01 2006 From: st at tobiah.org (st) Date: Fri Jul 7 17:02:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New ipod video Message-ID: <44AECBC9.1040809@tobiah.org> I can't get this thing to work with windows. I think it's because I can't get service pack 2 on my pirated copy. My Gentoo box gets usb errors when I connect it. I don't want to fiddle with it too much. I thought I might try one of the new desktop type distros. My workmate like ubuntu. It seems to handle the ipod well as installed. What are suggestions as to how to use my ipod with Linux? Which distro, and which applications? Thanks, Toby From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Jul 7 17:10:51 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Jul 7 17:09:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New ipod video In-Reply-To: <44AECBC9.1040809@tobiah.org> References: <44AECBC9.1040809@tobiah.org> Message-ID: <20060707221051.2ba2d637@localhost> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:02:01 -0700 st wrote: > I can't get this thing to work with windows. I think it's because > I can't get service pack 2 on my pirated copy. I never cease to be amazed when people come out with comments like that... and we are supposed to feel helpful? -- Will J G From _ at whats-your.name Fri Jul 7 17:18:47 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Fri Jul 7 17:18:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New ipod video In-Reply-To: <44AECBC9.1040809@tobiah.org> References: <44AECBC9.1040809@tobiah.org> Message-ID: <20060707211847.GK13056@replic.net> On Fri Jul 07, 2006 at 02:02:01PM -0700, st wrote: > I can't get this thing to work with windows. I think it's because > I can't get service pack 2 on my pirated copy. My Gentoo box gets usb errors when I connect it. I don't want to fiddle with > it too much. I thought I might try one of the new desktop type > distros. My workmate like ubuntu. It seems to handle the ipod > well as installed. > What are suggestions as to how to use my ipod with Linux? Which distro, and which applications? my suggestion would be return the ipod, and get something that supports open standards rather than crippling DRM and trading features and flexibility for marketing. something like iAudio, which supports OGG, FLAC, full 'mass storage' support (even if you do get the ipod mounted eventually, all the files will be weird base64-esque names and have some proprietary db containing the tags), not to mention a better price-per-GB, more video formats, FM radio, record from FM or line in, no DRM, etc. if you want me to dig up more points on why you should return the ipod i coudl praobly find them. like pictures of their slave factory, or examples of how long youll be messing aroudn with udev, enabling kernel modules, and trying to compile and use broken 'sort of do some stuff with the ipod' apps... > > Thanks, np (and i bought Apple products for a decade, so i have a right to complain how low theyve fallen ;) > > Toby > From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Jul 7 18:12:34 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Jul 7 18:12:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New website trial In-Reply-To: <20060707084700.GA7858@charly.SWORD> References: <20060706235027.7532551d@localhost> <20060707084700.GA7858@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060707221234.GD21695@fitz.Belkin> On Fri, 07 Jul, 2006 at 10:47AM +0200, Thorsten Wilms spake thus: > On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 11:50:27PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > I'm trying out some css ideas on a new web page and would appreciate > > any comments. Most of the links should work OK, but it's really the > > style and readability I'm interested in hearing about. > > > Only some of the MP3/Ogg links work. And even then right-click, > Save_link_as doesn't lead to the file, but linkcount.pl. > > The CSS hover trick is neat. > > The background hurts readability quite some. You could try reducing > its contrast. > > The grayness is so dry, rather depressing and doesn't look like your > music sounds one bit. The following general associations I had with > your music could lead to a colour scheme: air, rain, river, fog, > moonlight but also a picknick in the green, in warm sunshine. Do you watch Three Non-blondes? Something warm and welcoming, but not overpowering. Something that sounds like sunshine, but tastes like Tuesday. Something to warm my heart and cool my head. Something small, but larger than tiny. Something that says "This person is a real go-getter". :) J From jstutters at jeremah.co.uk Fri Jul 7 19:01:47 2006 From: jstutters at jeremah.co.uk (Jonny Stutters) Date: Fri Jul 7 19:01:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New website trial In-Reply-To: <20060707200621.07cd3d06@localhost> References: <20060706235027.7532551d@localhost> <20060706225318.GC13056@replic.net> <20060707000922.677ffd85@localhost> <1152235435.2155.2.camel@jordan.nash.net> <20060707200621.07cd3d06@localhost> Message-ID: <44AEE7DB.3000308@jeremah.co.uk> Folderol wrote: > On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 21:23:55 -0400 > Jordan Nash wrote: >> In this case, you need to use CSS for style, and HTML for content. A >> simple test is to disable stylesheets in your web browser (Firefox: View >>> Page Style > No Style) and verify that it is still understandable. > > Ouch! I see what you mean. > > I don't know how to get round this at present and retain the layout > and behaviour I want. It seems to be very difficult to get clear > instructions as to *exactly* what commands you can embed in style > sheets, where, and to what effect! IMO the way to do this is to write a decent HTML page first with semantically correct markup and then do the CSS. The point of CSS is that it separates the look of the page from the meaning. The downloads page on my site gives a very simple example of what I'm on about. In other words design for Lynx then for Firefox. Based on the cool mouseover stuff your CSS skills are good so it shouldn't be too much trouble. Sorry if you know all this already. -- Jonny Music - http://jeremah.co.uk News - http://voxpolis.com From emillo at libero.it Fri Jul 7 19:26:17 2006 From: emillo at libero.it (Emiliano Grilli) Date: Fri Jul 7 19:26:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA 25 Message-ID: <20060707232616.GA14732@emillo.net> Hi all, I recently aquired an used edirol UA 25. While the audio part is working (recognized as I plug it), I can't see any MIDI ports... Anyone here has the same problem? It's a known issue or I have to pass some parameter to snd-usb-audio to get it working? Thank you in advance -- Emiliano Grilli Linux user #209089 http://www.emillo.net From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Fri Jul 7 19:32:37 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Fri Jul 7 19:47:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] solaris 9 and audio recomendations In-Reply-To: <20060706095658.8c38de7c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <20060705234539.70979.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060706095658.8c38de7c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <20060707233237.GE5155@jdboyd> On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 09:56:58AM +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > kevin kelley wrote: > > > I would like to run a sampler program and a good > > sound card on a sun sparc solaris 9 platfrom. Does > > anyone have any recomendations?? > > You're going to have some real problems here. > > Firstly, Solaris does not support OSS or ALSA; it has its own > audio I/O architecure and few Linux audio programs are likely > to support it. Are you sure it doesn't support oss? I know that 4front will sell drivers for Solaris. Also, a number of gnome programs have been ported to work with SunAudio. PortAudio works on Solaris as well, and that will help for some programs. I wonder if it would be feasible to get Jack to sit on the sun audio libraries. > Secondly, SUN ships its own drivers for the hardware it supports. > You are unlikely to be able to get Solaris drivers for any third > party audio hardware. In the past people have ported some sound card drivers to Solaris, although I am not aware of any of them really being pro quality (http://www.tools.de/solaris/audio/ seems to be the largest effort). Maybe OpenSolaris is encouraging more of that. I had hopes of writing a driver on Solaris for a pro sound card I had at work, but all my engineering samples were sent back to be replaced, and I'm not getting to play with the replacement. I wouldn't have been able to release the driver anyway though. But maybe it would have encouraged me to try porting drivers from alsa. Actually, does anyone know if it would be realistic to port ALSA to a new platform, or is it too severly linux dependent? However, I wonder what sort of latencies you will be able to get under Solaris 9 or Solaris 10. I've always assumed that they wouldn't be very good, but maybe someone else knows better than me. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From jstutters at jeremah.co.uk Fri Jul 7 19:50:17 2006 From: jstutters at jeremah.co.uk (Jonny Stutters) Date: Fri Jul 7 19:50:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA 25 In-Reply-To: <20060707232616.GA14732@emillo.net> References: <20060707232616.GA14732@emillo.net> Message-ID: <44AEF339.7070208@jeremah.co.uk> Emiliano Grilli wrote: > I recently aquired an used edirol UA 25. > While the audio part is working (recognized as I plug it), I can't see > any MIDI ports... > Anyone here has the same problem? It's a known issue or I have to pass > some parameter to snd-usb-audio to get it working? Have you got the "advanced mode" selected on the device? I haven't got the docs to hand but that's how I've got mine set up and the midi just works. -- Jonny Music - http://jeremah.co.uk News - http://voxpolis.com From link at sumerianbabyl.com Fri Jul 7 20:14:29 2006 From: link at sumerianbabyl.com (Link Swanson) Date: Fri Jul 7 20:14:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New website trial In-Reply-To: <44AEE7DB.3000308@jeremah.co.uk> References: <20060706235027.7532551d@localhost> <20060706225318.GC13056@replic.net> <20060707000922.677ffd85@localhost> <1152235435.2155.2.camel@jordan.nash.net> <20060707200621.07cd3d06@localhost> <44AEE7DB.3000308@jeremah.co.uk> Message-ID: <48107.216.17.51.98.1152317669.squirrel@sumerianbabyl.com> >> I don't know how to get round this at present and retain the layout >> and behaviour I want. It seems to be very difficult to get clear >> instructions as to *exactly* what commands you can embed in style >> sheets, where, and to what effect! I highly reccomend http://www.csszengarden.com for understanding the power and beauty of CSS. When you markup ONLY for structure and content, not for style, it becomes second nature to envision all colors, fonts, background images, link styles, menus, etc. as belonging to the stylesheet not the HTML. I did http://www.sumerianbabyl.com like this and it was FUN! Sorry if you know this already. > > IMO the way to do this is to write a decent HTML page first with > semantically correct markup and then do the CSS. The point of CSS is > that it separates the look of the page from the meaning. The downloads > page on my site gives a very simple example of what I'm on about. In > other words design for Lynx then for Firefox. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jul 7 21:09:05 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jul 7 21:08:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] solaris 9 and audio recomendations In-Reply-To: <20060707233237.GE5155@jdboyd> References: <20060705234539.70979.qmail@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060706095658.8c38de7c.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20060707233237.GE5155@jdboyd> Message-ID: <1152320946.4736.128.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 19:32 -0400, Joshua Boyd wrote: > Actually, does anyone know if it would be realistic to port ALSA to a > new platform, or is it too severly linux dependent? > It might not be that hard. It's really hard to say without trying it. > However, I wonder what sort of latencies you will be able to get under > Solaris 9 or Solaris 10. I've always assumed that they wouldn't be > very good, but maybe someone else knows better than me. I would actually expect them to be very good. Solaris pioneered many of the soft realtime features in the late 80s that Linux is only now getting in the -rt patch - for example, interrupt threading. Lee From ce at christeck.de Sat Jul 8 03:03:26 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Jul 8 03:03:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA 25 In-Reply-To: <44AEF339.7070208@jeremah.co.uk> References: <20060707232616.GA14732@emillo.net> <44AEF339.7070208@jeremah.co.uk> Message-ID: <200607080903.27179.ce@christeck.de> > Have you got the "advanced mode" selected on the device? ?I haven't > got the docs to hand but that's how I've got mine set up and the midi > just works. same here. Switch to advanced mode (see back panel of the device). Best regards ce From capocasa at gmx.net Sat Jul 8 03:44:23 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sat Jul 8 03:44:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: New ipod video In-Reply-To: <44AECBC9.1040809@tobiah.org> References: <44AECBC9.1040809@tobiah.org> Message-ID: I use Ubuntu. You could also give the rockbox firmware (http://rockbox.org) a shot to teach your ipod some manners. Carlo From fbar at footils.org Sat Jul 8 12:29:03 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Jul 8 12:29:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta5 released In-Reply-To: <44A4F47D.3010201@gmail.com> References: <44A4F47D.3010201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060708162903.GC31167@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Tom Szilagyi hat gesagt: // Tom Szilagyi wrote: > Aqualung: Music Player for GNU/Linux > > http://aqualung.sf.net > > Release 0.9beta5 > > > It is our greatest pleasure to announce the fifth official beta > release of Aqualung. Some features you'd rarely stumble upon in > other players (at least not too many of them at once): > > * Gapless playback (designed for this from the ground up) Quick question: Can I choose to play *with* gaps as well? I like gaps, I'm used to them from my vinyl collection. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From kouhia at nic.funet.fi Sat Jul 8 13:00:36 2006 From: kouhia at nic.funet.fi (Juhana Sadeharju) Date: Sat Jul 8 13:00:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wiki Message-ID: >From: Juhana Sadeharju >> >>Definitely take a look at mediawiki: http://www.mediawiki.org/ > >Many wiki pages have both the current wiki pages and the control pages >at the same directory. Then wget may download multiple GBs(!!) of >control pages instead of 200 MB of wiki pages. Because wget got trapped to such a wiki recently I have true figures: -Document is about 20 MB (with duplicate files I'm sure) -docu/index.php/ directory with Special:Recentchangeslinked/ etc subdirs is 63 MB -The whole wiki at docu/ is 13.5 GB with 1,600,000 files 20 MB vs 13.5 GB makes me think the wiki is not of the best technology. The download software could be better as well. I will mail my suggestions to wget list. Juhana -- http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-graphics-dev for developers of open source graphics software From tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net Sat Jul 8 14:26:05 2006 From: tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net (Tom Szilagyi) Date: Sat Jul 8 14:26:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta5 released In-Reply-To: <20060708162903.GC31167@fliwatut.scifi> References: <44A4F47D.3010201@gmail.com> <20060708162903.GC31167@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060708182605.GA9112@r51> On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 06:29:03PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Tom Szilagyi hat gesagt: // Tom Szilagyi wrote: > > > Aqualung: Music Player for GNU/Linux > > > > http://aqualung.sf.net > > > > Release 0.9beta5 > > > > > > It is our greatest pleasure to announce the fifth official beta > > release of Aqualung. Some features you'd rarely stumble upon in > > other players (at least not too many of them at once): > > > > * Gapless playback (designed for this from the ground up) > > Quick question: Can I choose to play *with* gaps as well? I like gaps, > I'm used to them from my vinyl collection. Well, no. There's no existing option to put gaps between tracks, though it would be relatively easy to implement. Tom From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jul 8 14:32:23 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jul 8 14:31:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta5 released In-Reply-To: <20060708182605.GA9112@r51> References: <44A4F47D.3010201@gmail.com> <20060708162903.GC31167@fliwatut.scifi> <20060708182605.GA9112@r51> Message-ID: <1152383543.28129.4.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-07-08 at 20:26 +0200, Tom Szilagyi wrote: > On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 06:29:03PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > Hallo, > > Tom Szilagyi hat gesagt: // Tom Szilagyi wrote: > > > > > Aqualung: Music Player for GNU/Linux > > > > > > http://aqualung.sf.net > > > > > > Release 0.9beta5 > > > > > > > > > It is our greatest pleasure to announce the fifth official beta > > > release of Aqualung. Some features you'd rarely stumble upon in > > > other players (at least not too many of them at once): > > > > > > * Gapless playback (designed for this from the ground up) > > > > Quick question: Can I choose to play *with* gaps as well? I like gaps, > > I'm used to them from my vinyl collection. > > Well, no. There's no existing option to put gaps between tracks, > though it would be relatively easy to implement. Is this really the job of the player? It seems that if you rip from a CD with gaps the MP3s should contain leading or trailing silence. Otherwise how can the player be expected to know that one batch of tracks is a live performance and should be played back gapless, and another is from a CD and should have 2 second gaps? Lee From lau at kudla.org Sat Jul 8 14:34:15 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Sat Jul 8 14:36:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200607081434.15673.lau@kudla.org> On Sat July 8 2006 13:00, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > 20 MB vs 13.5 GB makes me think the wiki is not of the best > technology. The download software could be better as well. I > will mail my suggestions to wget list. TWiki has a "publish" plugin (I think I've mentioned it before) that dumps a static, rendered version of all its pages with links rewritten in a way that makes sense, and optionally zips it (or maybe I added the zipping part to my local copy, I can't remember.) Unfortunately, TWiki has also been swiss cheese security wise in my experience, but with mediawiki's prominence I would think that someone must have written something like a "publish" plugin by now to do the same thing. I don't think the problem with mirroring wikis can really be fixed with a patch to wget.... it's the nature of dynamically generated content that a tool designed to retrieve static content will retrieve way more data than it needs to. The same would apply if you were trying to mirror a web forum or a more traditional CMS. Rob From florin at andrei.myip.org Sat Jul 8 14:37:48 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sat Jul 8 14:38:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <20060707175712.GH3356@fliwatut.scifi> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060707091016.GG3356@fliwatut.scifi> <44AE57EB.4070608@poeticstudios.com> <20060707175712.GH3356@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1152383868.2600.1.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 19:57 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > As Dave P. wrote, if a real *groove* is wanted, editing a lot of stuff > like timings and velocities by hand and ear is the usual way to work. > Obviously one takes this hard and time consuming road, because just > adding gaussian or other randomization is not achieving satisfying > results for the goal at hand. A potentially good but certainly expensive method would be to record many expert human players and analyze their playing. Some kind of patterns must emerge. Then try and reproduce that in software. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Jul 8 14:39:56 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Jul 8 14:40:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta5 released In-Reply-To: <1152383543.28129.4.camel@mindpipe> References: <44A4F47D.3010201@gmail.com> <20060708162903.GC31167@fliwatut.scifi> <20060708182605.GA9112@r51> <1152383543.28129.4.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607081139y76d0f34bof75005ecc88fdd89@mail.gmail.com> On 7/8/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-07-08 at 20:26 +0200, Tom Szilagyi wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 06:29:03PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > > Hallo, > > > Tom Szilagyi hat gesagt: // Tom Szilagyi wrote: > > > > > > > Aqualung: Music Player for GNU/Linux > > > > > > > > http://aqualung.sf.net > > > > > > > > Release 0.9beta5 > > > > > > > > > > > > It is our greatest pleasure to announce the fifth official beta > > > > release of Aqualung. Some features you'd rarely stumble upon in > > > > other players (at least not too many of them at once): > > > > > > > > * Gapless playback (designed for this from the ground up) > > > > > > Quick question: Can I choose to play *with* gaps as well? I like gaps, > > > I'm used to them from my vinyl collection. > > > > Well, no. There's no existing option to put gaps between tracks, > > though it would be relatively easy to implement. > > Is this really the job of the player? It seems that if you rip from a > CD with gaps the MP3s should contain leading or trailing silence. > Otherwise how can the player be expected to know that one batch of > tracks is a live performance and should be played back gapless, and > another is from a CD and should have 2 second gaps? > > Lee I agree Lee. In fact there is an old Quicksilver Album (Happy Trials I think) where the vinyl had no gaps in a 25 minute song. When a CD for it came out it played on my hardware CD player as one long song. If I played this on any Linux player other than Aqualung it put gaps in. This was not good. Aqualung was the only player I found that played the music correctly, as the original. I like the way Aqualung does this today. - Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jul 8 14:52:11 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jul 8 14:51:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <1152383868.2600.1.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060707091016.GG3356@fliwatut.scifi> <44AE57EB.4070608@poeticstudios.com> <20060707175712.GH3356@fliwatut.scifi> <1152383868.2600.1.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <1152384731.28129.5.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-07-08 at 11:37 -0700, Florin Andrei wrote: > On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 19:57 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > > As Dave P. wrote, if a real *groove* is wanted, editing a lot of stuff > > like timings and velocities by hand and ear is the usual way to work. > > Obviously one takes this hard and time consuming road, because just > > adding gaussian or other randomization is not achieving satisfying > > results for the goal at hand. > > A potentially good but certainly expensive method would be to record > many expert human players and analyze their playing. Some kind of > patterns must emerge. > Then try and reproduce that in software. > How does Hydrogen's humanize feature work? It certainly sounds good. Maybe that could be broken out into a standalone app? Lee From _ at whats-your.name Sat Jul 8 15:14:04 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sat Jul 8 15:14:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta5 released In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607081139y76d0f34bof75005ecc88fdd89@mail.gmail.com> References: <44A4F47D.3010201@gmail.com> <20060708162903.GC31167@fliwatut.scifi> <20060708182605.GA9112@r51> <1152383543.28129.4.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607081139y76d0f34bof75005ecc88fdd89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060708191404.GA24050@replic.net> > I like the way Aqualung does this today. it does look to have a nice set of options for quality playback path, resamping, gapless, good decoders. shame about the XML library thing :) i tried thsoe bash scripts and they had syntax errors :/ supporting .m3u/.pls like everything else would be really cool > > - Mark > From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Jul 8 15:22:54 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Jul 8 15:23:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta5 released In-Reply-To: <20060708191404.GA24050@replic.net> References: <44A4F47D.3010201@gmail.com> <20060708162903.GC31167@fliwatut.scifi> <20060708182605.GA9112@r51> <1152383543.28129.4.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607081139y76d0f34bof75005ecc88fdd89@mail.gmail.com> <20060708191404.GA24050@replic.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607081222u61116c56h53f1ba1667be4d0d@mail.gmail.com> On 7/8/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > > I like the way Aqualung does this today. > > it does look to have a nice set of options for quality playback path, resamping, gapless, good decoders. shame about the XML library thing :) i tried thsoe bash scripts and they had syntax errors :/ supporting .m3u/.pls like everything else would be really cool Yes, the library handling has been a problem from the beginning. I trust Tom when he says it will be a major focus in the future. I've been trying to use the RVA feature but I'm not having much luck. The problems are compounded by the fact that the RVA data is kept in the XML library. When I add a new CD to the library I then use Peter's scripts to update the Music Store file, but it's really making a new file, not updating, which overwrites all the RVA data and I have to rescan the complete library to get RVA data again. with a large library like I have it really becasme too much trouble and I stopped trying to use RVA anymore. I hope issues like this will be addressed the next time around. Cheers, Mark From fbar at footils.org Sat Jul 8 15:28:48 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Jul 8 15:29:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <1152383868.2600.1.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <20060706234535.5070.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060707091016.GG3356@fliwatut.scifi> <44AE57EB.4070608@poeticstudios.com> <20060707175712.GH3356@fliwatut.scifi> <1152383868.2600.1.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <20060708192848.GD31167@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Florin Andrei hat gesagt: // Florin Andrei wrote: > A potentially good but certainly expensive method would be to record > many expert human players and analyze their playing. Some kind of > patterns must emerge. > Then try and reproduce that in software. This is what Jeff Blimes (et al.) did. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sat Jul 8 17:42:04 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sat Jul 8 15:41:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta5 released In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607081139y76d0f34bof75005ecc88fdd89@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0607081139y76d0f34bof75005ecc88fdd89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B026AC.80208@poeticstudios.com> Mark Knecht wrote: --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: > Re: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta5 released > From: > "Mark Knecht" > Date: > Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:39:56 -0700 > To: > "A list for linux audio users" > > To: > "A list for linux audio users" > > > On 7/8/06, Lee Revell wrote: > >> On Sat, 2006-07-08 at 20:26 +0200, Tom Szilagyi wrote: >> > On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 06:29:03PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: >> > > Hallo, >> > > Tom Szilagyi hat gesagt: // Tom Szilagyi wrote: >> > > >> > > > Aqualung: Music Player for GNU/Linux >> > > > >> > > > http://aqualung.sf.net >> > > > >> > > > Release 0.9beta5 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > It is our greatest pleasure to announce the fifth official beta >> > > > release of Aqualung. Some features you'd rarely stumble upon in >> > > > other players (at least not too many of them at once): >> > > > >> > > > * Gapless playback (designed for this from the ground up) >> > > >> > > Quick question: Can I choose to play *with* gaps as well? I like >> gaps, >> > > I'm used to them from my vinyl collection. >> > >> > Well, no. There's no existing option to put gaps between tracks, >> > though it would be relatively easy to implement. >> >> Is this really the job of the player? It seems that if you rip from a >> CD with gaps the MP3s should contain leading or trailing silence. >> Otherwise how can the player be expected to know that one batch of >> tracks is a live performance and should be played back gapless, and >> another is from a CD and should have 2 second gaps? >> >> Lee > > > I agree Lee. > > In fact there is an old Quicksilver Album (Happy Trials I think) where > the vinyl had no gaps in a 25 minute song. When a CD for it came out > it played on my hardware CD player as one long song. If I played this > on any Linux player other than Aqualung it put gaps in. This was not > good. Aqualung was the only player I found that played the music > correctly, as the original. > > I like the way Aqualung does this today. > > - Mark But shouldn't the mp3 be encoded in a particular way to make gapless playback work? AFAIK, the mp3 format has a fixed frame size, the last frame is always only partially filled and so any mp3 track contains some silence at the end. And how does Aqualung know if two tracks were meant to be played without any gap? In theory, the cleanest solution could be to use a CD ripper that writes some sort of playlist file that the player can read to know which tracks should be played without gaps and which is the duration of the gap when it is meant to be there (gaps between tracks on a cd can be != 2secs). c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sat Jul 8 17:42:43 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sat Jul 8 15:42:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <1152384731.28129.5.camel@mindpipe> References: <1152384731.28129.5.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44B026D3.8080609@poeticstudios.com> Lee Revell wrote: >On Sat, 2006-07-08 at 11:37 -0700, Florin Andrei wrote: > > >>On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 19:57 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: >> >> >> >>>As Dave P. wrote, if a real *groove* is wanted, editing a lot of stuff >>>like timings and velocities by hand and ear is the usual way to work. >>>Obviously one takes this hard and time consuming road, because just >>>adding gaussian or other randomization is not achieving satisfying >>>results for the goal at hand. >>> >>> >>A potentially good but certainly expensive method would be to record >>many expert human players and analyze their playing. Some kind of >>patterns must emerge. >>Then try and reproduce that in software. >> >> >> > >How does Hydrogen's humanize feature work? It certainly sounds good. >Maybe that could be broken out into a standalone app? > >Lee > > > Lee, I've just checked the code. It uses a random offsets with gaussian distribution (just like my humanizer0.0.2). There's more: the algorithm used is the same I used for my project (found here: http://www.taygeta.com/random/gaussian.html). But hydrogen source uses rand() as a random generator, when I've heard that random() is much better (more uniform distribution) and in fact I also changed rand() to random() from v0.0.1 to 0.0.2. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sat Jul 8 17:43:15 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sat Jul 8 15:43:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <20060708192848.GD31167@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060708192848.GD31167@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <44B026F3.6010701@poeticstudios.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > Subject: > Re: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 > From: > Frank Barknecht > Date: > Sat, 8 Jul 2006 21:28:48 +0200 > To: > linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > > To: > linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > > >Hallo, >Florin Andrei hat gesagt: // Florin Andrei wrote: > > > >>A potentially good but certainly expensive method would be to record >>many expert human players and analyze their playing. Some kind of >>patterns must emerge. >>Then try and reproduce that in software. >> >> > >This is what Jeff Blimes (et al.) did. > >Ciao > > Frank, I've read the Jeff Blimes paper. It's interesting but his software is more like a drum machine (something that produces the midi events) when I'm trying to make something similar to hydrogen functionality, but more generic and with far more controls. Something that provides a lot of tools but leaves the decisions about how to use it to the musician. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From emillo at libero.it Sat Jul 8 16:09:17 2006 From: emillo at libero.it (Emiliano Grilli) Date: Sat Jul 8 16:09:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UA 25 In-Reply-To: <200607080903.27179.ce@christeck.de> References: <20060707232616.GA14732@emillo.net> <44AEF339.7070208@jeremah.co.uk> <200607080903.27179.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20060708200917.GA3547@emillo.net> sabato, 08 luglio 2006 alle 09:03:26, Christoph Eckert ha scritto: > > > Have you got the "advanced mode" selected on the device? ?I haven't > > got the docs to hand but that's how I've got mine set up and the midi > > just works. > > same here. Switch to advanced mode (see back panel of the device). > > > Best regards Thank you :) The device came without manuals.. Now all is working. Thanks -- Emiliano Grilli Linux user #209089 http://www.emillo.net From hansfong at zonnet.nl Sat Jul 8 16:15:23 2006 From: hansfong at zonnet.nl (Hans) Date: Sat Jul 8 16:15:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] batch creation of symlinks Message-ID: <44B0125B.3080502@zonnet.nl> Hello everyone, Maybe not entirely related to music, so forgive me for that. I have been busy with the following problem for sometime now and I can't seem to figure it out. I want to batch create symlinks in the main directory, of all the files in subdirectories. E.g. $ls dir1 dir2 dir3 file1.mp3 -> .dir1/file1.mp3 file2.mp3 -> .dir1/file2.mp3 file3.mp3 -> .dir2/file3.mp3 file4.mp3 -> .dir2/file4.mp3 file5.mp3 -> .dir3/file5.mp3 file6.mp3 -> .dir3/file6.mp3 I tried various shell thingies like: for i in *.mp3; do ln -s --target-directory=../ $i $i; done in the subdir, or for i in ./dir1/*.mp3; do ln -s $i $i;done with various variations, but it seems impossible to do it this way. What is the right way to go about this? I know very little Python and some bash scripting. I want to figure the solution out myself, so any suggestions/hints related to Python/bash are more than welcome. Cheers, Hans From emillo at libero.it Sat Jul 8 16:28:11 2006 From: emillo at libero.it (Emiliano Grilli) Date: Sat Jul 8 16:28:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] batch creation of symlinks In-Reply-To: <44B0125B.3080502@zonnet.nl> References: <44B0125B.3080502@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <20060708202811.GA6284@emillo.net> sabato, 08 luglio 2006 alle 22:15:23, Hans ha scritto: > Hello everyone, > > Maybe not entirely related to music, so forgive me for that. I have been > busy with the following problem for sometime now and I can't seem to > figure it out. > > I want to batch create symlinks in the main directory, of all the files > in subdirectories. E.g. > > $ls > dir1 > dir2 > dir3 > file1.mp3 -> .dir1/file1.mp3 > file2.mp3 -> .dir1/file2.mp3 > file3.mp3 -> .dir2/file3.mp3 > file4.mp3 -> .dir2/file4.mp3 > file5.mp3 -> .dir3/file5.mp3 > file6.mp3 -> .dir3/file6.mp3 > > I tried various shell thingies like: > > for i in *.mp3; do ln -s --target-directory=../ $i $i; done > > in the subdir, or > > for i in ./dir1/*.mp3; do ln -s $i $i;done This one works for me: for i in `ls dir1/*.mp3`; do ln -s $i `basename $i`; done > with various variations, but it seems impossible to do it this way. What > is the right way to go about this? I know very little Python and some > bash scripting. I want to figure the solution out myself, so any > suggestions/hints related to Python/bash are more than welcome. > > Cheers, > > Hans HTH Ciao -- Emiliano Grilli Linux user #209089 http://www.emillo.net From illth at gmx.de Sat Jul 8 17:15:23 2006 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Sat Jul 8 17:15:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] batch creation of symlinks In-Reply-To: <20060708202811.GA6284@emillo.net> References: <44B0125B.3080502@zonnet.nl> <20060708202811.GA6284@emillo.net> Message-ID: <44B0206B.3010201@gmx.de> Emiliano Grilli wrote: > sabato, 08 luglio 2006 alle 22:15:23, Hans ha scritto: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> Maybe not entirely related to music, so forgive me for that. I have been >> busy with the following problem for sometime now and I can't seem to >> figure it out. >> >> I want to batch create symlinks in the main directory, of all the files >> in subdirectories. E.g. >> >> $ls >> dir1 >> dir2 >> dir3 >> file1.mp3 -> .dir1/file1.mp3 >> file2.mp3 -> .dir1/file2.mp3 >> file3.mp3 -> .dir2/file3.mp3 >> file4.mp3 -> .dir2/file4.mp3 >> file5.mp3 -> .dir3/file5.mp3 >> file6.mp3 -> .dir3/file6.mp3 >> >> I tried various shell thingies like: >> >> for i in *.mp3; do ln -s --target-directory=../ $i $i; done >> >> in the subdir, or >> >> for i in ./dir1/*.mp3; do ln -s $i $i;done >> > > This one works for me: > > for i in `ls dir1/*.mp3`; do ln -s $i `basename $i`; done > this shell script should also do the job: #!/bin/bash find -name \*.mp3 | while read name; do name="`echo "$name"|sed 's/^\.\///'`" if ! echo $name|grep "/"> /dev/null; then continue fi ln -s "$name" "` basename "$name"`" done > >> with various variations, but it seems impossible to do it this way. What >> is the right way to go about this? I know very little Python and some >> bash scripting. I want to figure the solution out myself, so any >> suggestions/hints related to Python/bash are more than welcome. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Hans >> > > HTH > > Ciao > From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sat Jul 8 17:30:31 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sat Jul 8 17:30:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <44B026D3.8080609@poeticstudios.com> References: <1152384731.28129.5.camel@mindpipe> <44B026D3.8080609@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <20060708213031.GA11477@linux-1.site> On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 09:42:43PM +0000, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > But hydrogen source uses rand() as a random generator, when I've heard > that random() is much better (more uniform distribution) and in fact I > also changed rand() to random() from v0.0.1 to 0.0.2. >From the man page: The versions of rand() and srand() in the Linux C Library use the same random number generator as random() and srandom(), so the lower-order bits should be as random as the higher-order bits. However, on older rand() implementations, and on current implementations on different systems, the lower-order bits are much less random than the higher- order bits. And even that doesn't matter unless you use only the lower bits. There is certainly no difference in the distribution if you divide by RAND_MAX to a [0...1] float result. -- FA Follie! Follie! Delirio vano e' questo! From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sat Jul 8 19:46:54 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sat Jul 8 17:46:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <20060708213031.GA11477@linux-1.site> References: <1152384731.28129.5.camel@mindpipe> <44B026D3.8080609@poeticstudios.com> <20060708213031.GA11477@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <44B043EE.2010001@poeticstudios.com> Fons Adriaensen wrote: >On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 09:42:43PM +0000, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > > >>But hydrogen source uses rand() as a random generator, when I've heard >>that random() is much better (more uniform distribution) and in fact I >>also changed rand() to random() from v0.0.1 to 0.0.2. >> >> > >>From the man page: > > The versions of rand() and srand() in the Linux C Library use the same > random number generator as random() and srandom(), so the lower-order > bits should be as random as the higher-order bits. However, on older > rand() implementations, and on current implementations on different > systems, the lower-order bits are much less random than the higher- > order bits. > >And even that doesn't matter unless you use only the lower bits. >There is certainly no difference in the distribution if you divide >by RAND_MAX to a [0...1] float result. > > > Ok, right, on linux they're the same. Thank you. :-P c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From smcameron at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 18:59:57 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Sat Jul 8 19:00:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] batch creation of symlinks In-Reply-To: <44B0125B.3080502@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <20060708225957.27518.qmail@web33014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Hans wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Maybe not entirely related to music, so forgive me for that. I have been > busy with the following problem for sometime now and I can't seem to > figure it out. > > I want to batch create symlinks in the main directory, of all the files > in subdirectories. E.g. > > $ls > dir1 > dir2 > dir3 > file1.mp3 -> .dir1/file1.mp3 > file2.mp3 -> .dir1/file2.mp3 > file3.mp3 -> .dir2/file3.mp3 > file4.mp3 -> .dir2/file4.mp3 > file5.mp3 -> .dir3/file5.mp3 > file6.mp3 -> .dir3/file6.mp3 > > I tried various shell thingies like: > > for i in *.mp3; do ln -s --target-directory=../ $i $i; done > > in the subdir, or > > for i in ./dir1/*.mp3; do ln -s $i $i;done > > with various variations, but it seems impossible to do it this way. What > is the right way to go about this? I know very little Python and some > bash scripting. I want to figure the solution out myself, so any > suggestions/hints related to Python/bash are more than welcome. > > Cheers, > > Hans > How about this? for x in `find . -type f -name '*.mp3' -print` do b=`basename $x` ln -s $x $b done Careful about the quotes, some are backquotes. I didn't test it, it's just off the top of my head. You might try it with "echo" before the ln command just to see what it's going to do before you fire it off for real. -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Jul 8 19:22:25 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Jul 8 19:22:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta5 released In-Reply-To: <44B026AC.80208@poeticstudios.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0607081139y76d0f34bof75005ecc88fdd89@mail.gmail.com> <44B026AC.80208@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607081622k338fb79cw95bd4a9bd9bbaa85@mail.gmail.com> On 7/8/06, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > I agree Lee. > > > > In fact there is an old Quicksilver Album (Happy Trials I think) where > > the vinyl had no gaps in a 25 minute song. When a CD for it came out > > it played on my hardware CD player as one long song. If I played this > > on any Linux player other than Aqualung it put gaps in. This was not > > good. Aqualung was the only player I found that played the music > > correctly, as the original. > > > > I like the way Aqualung does this today. > > > > - Mark > > But shouldn't the mp3 be encoded in a particular way to make gapless > playback work? Certainly. And as far as I can tell Sound Juicer, which calls the ogg encoder or the flac encoder - the two formats I use - can as the files are built correctly. Note that earlier I said my hardware CD player - a Marantz or Sony or the one in my car - plays these CD correctly. The other Linux players I had tried - mplayer and alsaplayer - did not even play the the CDs correctly. Back in those days I didn't rip much so I don't know what other rippers might have done. However, I think there are two issues in making this work: 1) The encoded file - be it mp3, flac or whatever, must be encoded with no extra silence. 2) The player must get the second file ready to play before the first one has finished so that if there is not supposed ot be a gap there will not be a gap. I am guessing that it's #2 that causes most players problems. Aqualung has taken this all a step further by making the playback insensitive to file type, encoding frequency, storage location, etc. - Mark > > AFAIK, the mp3 format has a fixed frame size, the last frame is always > only partially filled and so any mp3 track contains some silence at the end. > > And how does Aqualung know if two tracks were meant to be played without > any gap? > > In theory, the cleanest solution could be to use a CD ripper that writes > some sort of playlist file that the player can read to know which tracks > should be played without gaps and which is the duration of the gap when > it is meant to be there (gaps between tracks on a cd can be != 2secs). > > c. > > -- > www.cesaremarilungo.com > > > From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sun Jul 9 01:14:37 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Sun Jul 9 01:14:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] batch creation of symlinks In-Reply-To: <44B0125B.3080502@zonnet.nl> References: <44B0125B.3080502@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <20060709071437.1b0a93f4@mango.fruits> On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:15:23 +0200 Hans wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Maybe not entirely related to music, so forgive me for that. I have been > busy with the following problem for sometime now and I can't seem to > figure it out. > > I want to batch create symlinks in the main directory, of all the files > in subdirectories. E.g. > > $ls > dir1 > dir2 > dir3 > file1.mp3 -> .dir1/file1.mp3 > file2.mp3 -> .dir1/file2.mp3 > file3.mp3 -> .dir2/file3.mp3 > file4.mp3 -> .dir2/file4.mp3 > file5.mp3 -> .dir3/file5.mp3 > file6.mp3 -> .dir3/file6.mp3 > > I tried various shell thingies like: > > for i in *.mp3; do ln -s --target-directory=../ $i $i; done > > in the subdir, or > > for i in ./dir1/*.mp3; do ln -s $i $i;done > find . -iname "foo.mp3" -exec ln -s \{\} ./ \; Or something. This automatically takes care of whitespaces and other hassles i think. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sun Jul 9 01:26:12 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Sun Jul 9 01:26:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] batch creation of symlinks In-Reply-To: <20060709071437.1b0a93f4@mango.fruits> References: <44B0125B.3080502@zonnet.nl> <20060709071437.1b0a93f4@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <20060709072612.683499ae@mango.fruits> On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:14:37 +0200 Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > find . -iname "foo.mp3" -exec ln -s \{\} ./ \; Errm, damn copy and paste: find . -iname "*.mp3" -exec ln -s \{\} ./ \; Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From fbar at footils.org Sun Jul 9 02:59:22 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Jul 9 02:59:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060709065922.GE31167@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Juhana Sadeharju hat gesagt: // Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > Because wget got trapped to such a wiki recently I have true > figures: > -Document is about 20 MB (with duplicate files I'm sure) > -docu/index.php/ directory with Special:Recentchangeslinked/ etc subdirs > is 63 MB > -The whole wiki at docu/ is 13.5 GB with 1,600,000 files > > 20 MB vs 13.5 GB makes me think the wiki is not of the best technology. Generally wikis only saves diffs, but show full pages in their history so you dowloaded a lot of duplicate material. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From fbar at footils.org Sun Jul 9 05:17:21 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Jul 9 05:17:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] batch creation of symlinks In-Reply-To: <44B0125B.3080502@zonnet.nl> References: <44B0125B.3080502@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <20060709091721.GG31167@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Hans hat gesagt: // Hans wrote: > in the subdir, or > > for i in ./dir1/*.mp3; do ln -s $i $i;done Almost, but you're trying to link a file on itself here ("$i->$i"). Use this instead: $ for i in ./dir1/*.mp3; do ln -s $i . ;done or even more general: $ for i in */* ; do ln -s $i . ; done Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sun Jul 9 09:22:20 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sun Jul 9 07:22:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer 0.0.3 Message-ID: <44B1030C.5050703@poeticstudios.com> I've added the support for 4 independent channels (if you need more you can edit the MAX_MIDI_CHANNELS value in the source file). With multiple channels you can now send, for instance, each group of instruments of a drum kit to a different channel with its own settings to make some instruments play more precisely and others with a more relaxed timing. http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/sw/alsamidihumanizer.php Maybe I should make the gaussian distribution the default setting? Obviously, if this utility will keep growing I'll add presets loading and saving. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From fbar at footils.org Sun Jul 9 09:25:39 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Jul 9 09:26:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] batch creation of symlinks In-Reply-To: <20060709091721.GG31167@fliwatut.scifi> References: <44B0125B.3080502@zonnet.nl> <20060709091721.GG31167@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060709132538.GH31167@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: > Almost, but you're trying to link a file on itself here ("$i->$i"). > Use this instead: > > $ for i in ./dir1/*.mp3; do ln -s $i . ;done > > or even more general: > > $ for i in */* ; do ln -s $i . ; done In case you didn't recognize the difference to your first try: You can use a directory as the second argument to ln as well, then it will create a link with the same name as the basename of the file in the first argument in that directory. All the backtick and find tricks suggested in the other answers of this thread are nice, but way overkill to your problem. Keep it simple, stupid. ;) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From oz at bluemonk.de Sun Jul 9 10:43:45 2006 From: oz at bluemonk.de (oz) Date: Sun Jul 9 10:44:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD Turion 64 X2 ? Message-ID: <20060709164345.78d13459.oz@bluemonk.de> Hi @ all, I have sympathy for a new notebook with AMD Turion 64 X2 dual-core cpu. It would open some new possibilities, like virtualization (pacifica, xen etc.), pure AMD64 Debian arch, other 32-bit OS' and - and that is the question - good realtime-audio performance? Do the realtime patches of Ingo Molnar work with SMP-Kernels for example? And the LSM-modules? Or is the realtime-preemption in Linux just optimized for single cpu systems? My main interest would be to use the laptop sometimes as "Linux-sound-module" triggered by an external midi-keyboard. Profit virtual-instruments (virtual-synths, VSTis) much from having two CPUs and therefore enhanced multithreading? Or is it contra-productive eventually? If using a SMP-Kernel would produce hassles - would it be a safe workaround to compile a kernel *without* SMP support and then driving one Turion core would be sufficient? Please forgive these many questions, but I just won't trust the marketing blindly for the benefits of dual-cores without asking some experienced users. Thanks for your time Oliver P.S. What about the laptop-fan? Can I expect, that it starts and stops frequently when the Turion computes "sound"? (that would be annoying) From fbar at footils.org Sun Jul 9 10:57:43 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Jul 9 10:58:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD Turion 64 X2 ? In-Reply-To: <20060709164345.78d13459.oz@bluemonk.de> References: <20060709164345.78d13459.oz@bluemonk.de> Message-ID: <20060709145743.GI31167@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, oz hat gesagt: // oz wrote: > I have sympathy for a new notebook with AMD Turion 64 X2 dual-core > cpu. It would open some new possibilities, like virtualization > (pacifica, xen etc.), pure AMD64 Debian arch, other 32-bit OS' and - > and that is the question - good realtime-audio performance? I would say be careful with AMD laptops and Linux. Intel machines tend to be much better supported because there are open source drivers for the other parts inside these machines like WLAN, gfx card (if it's Intel) etc. while AMD laptops often use NVidia chipsets and gfx cards or similar stuff by ATi for which you need to install binary drivers sometimes, that may mess up other things like power management in strange ways. 64bit isn't that important for audio anyways. Getting a laptop to run flawlessly is hard enough, don't make it harder on yourself by buying hardware without open source drivers. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From hansfong at zonnet.nl Sun Jul 9 11:16:04 2006 From: hansfong at zonnet.nl (Hans) Date: Sun Jul 9 11:16:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] batch creation of symlinks In-Reply-To: <20060709091721.GG31167@fliwatut.scifi> References: <44B0125B.3080502@zonnet.nl> <20060709091721.GG31167@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <44B11DB4.2070600@zonnet.nl> Frank Barknecht wrote: >Hallo, >Hans hat gesagt: // Hans wrote: > > > >>in the subdir, or >> >>for i in ./dir1/*.mp3; do ln -s $i $i;done >> >> > >Almost, but you're trying to link a file on itself here ("$i->$i"). >Use this instead: > >$ for i in ./dir1/*.mp3; do ln -s $i . ;done > >or even more general: > >$ for i in */* ; do ln -s $i . ; done > >Ciao > > This I don't understand: so what does the "." stand for? Hans P.S. Almost forgot to thank you. This one works and is short too! From phil at rephil.org Sun Jul 9 12:07:45 2006 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Sun Jul 9 12:07:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: batch creation of symlinks In-Reply-To: <20060709051453.9529E216B31B@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060709051453.9529E216B31B@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <62473.204.16.146.78.1152461265.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> > Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:15:23 +0200 > From: Hans > Subject: [linux-audio-user] batch creation of symlinks > I want to batch create symlinks in the main directory, of all the files > in subdirectories. E.g. > > $ls > dir1 > dir2 > dir3 > file1.mp3 -> .dir1/file1.mp3 > file2.mp3 -> .dir1/file2.mp3 > file3.mp3 -> .dir2/file3.mp3 > file4.mp3 -> .dir2/file4.mp3 > file5.mp3 -> .dir3/file5.mp3 > file6.mp3 -> .dir3/file6.mp3 > > I tried various shell thingies like: > > for i in *.mp3; do ln -s --target-directory=../ $i $i; done > > in the subdir, or > > for i in ./dir1/*.mp3; do ln -s $i $i;done You might find this useful. (cp -s rocks!) cd $TARGETDIR (any loop stuff) cp -s $FROMDIR *.mp3 ./ Cheers, Phil -- Dept. of Mathematics, 342 Machray Hall U. of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3T 2N2 Office: 446 Machray Hall, 204-474-6470 http://www.rephil.org/ phil at rephil dot org From smcameron at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 12:26:23 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Sun Jul 9 12:26:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] batch creation of symlinks In-Reply-To: <44B11DB4.2070600@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <20060709162623.95026.qmail@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > This I don't understand: so what does the "." stand for? "." is the current directory. >From the man page of "ln" SYNOPSIS ln [OPTION]... TARGET [LINK_NAME] --> ln [OPTION]... TARGET... DIRECTORY ln [OPTION]... --target-directory=DIRECTORY TARGET... [...] When using the second form with more than one TARGET, the last argument must be a directory; create links in DIRECTORY to each TARGET. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From chris at mccormick.cx Sun Jul 9 12:23:51 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Sun Jul 9 12:31:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] batch creation of symlinks In-Reply-To: <20060709162623.95026.qmail@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <44B11DB4.2070600@zonnet.nl> <20060709162623.95026.qmail@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060709162351.GE6478@mccormick.cx> On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 09:26:23AM -0700, Stephen Cameron wrote: > > > This I don't understand: so what does the "." stand for? > > "." is the current directory. > > >From the man page of "ln" > > SYNOPSIS > ln [OPTION]... TARGET [LINK_NAME] > --> ln [OPTION]... TARGET... DIRECTORY > ln [OPTION]... --target-directory=DIRECTORY TARGET... > > [...] > When using the second form with more > than one TARGET, the last argument must be a > directory; create links in DIRECTORY to each TARGET. I think you don't actually need the '.' in this case, so the solution can be two characters shorter. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sun Jul 9 13:10:16 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Sun Jul 9 13:10:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] batch creation of symlinks In-Reply-To: <20060709091721.GG31167@fliwatut.scifi> References: <44B0125B.3080502@zonnet.nl> <20060709091721.GG31167@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060709191016.2d21ff49@mango.fruits> On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 11:17:21 +0200 Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Hans hat gesagt: // Hans wrote: > > > in the subdir, or > > > > for i in ./dir1/*.mp3; do ln -s $i $i;done > > Almost, but you're trying to link a file on itself here ("$i->$i"). > Use this instead: > > $ for i in ./dir1/*.mp3; do ln -s $i . ;done > > or even more general: > > $ for i in */* ; do ln -s $i . ; done Watch out for whitespaces though. If your filenames can contain spaces, it might be wise to do export IFS=$'\n'$'\t' and then do your for-loop. Don't forget to change it back afterwards though. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From d_baron at 012.net.il Sun Jul 9 14:06:24 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Sun Jul 9 14:06:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re:[ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer 0.0.3 In-Reply-To: <20060709162635.4FA24217F10B@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060709162635.4FA24217F10B@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200607092106.24894.d_baron@012.net.il> Yes, a cute little utility. Obviously the horn solo would be looser and the drums tight. Note that the best "humanizer" around is the Ntonyx Style Enhancer. Two disadvanates is that one must buy it (heaven forfend!) and it runs in Windows (satan himself!). Actually, I have got it going using WINE which does not handle the multi-threading well but if one does not try tweaking while playing, it will work. I've been with this since they first came out with it. Results range from, well, better than flat MIDI to I can't believe it's MIDI. (For example, one does not randomly shift timings through a piece--one marks the phrazes and such shifts are applied accordingly.) From hansfong at zonnet.nl Sun Jul 9 15:22:18 2006 From: hansfong at zonnet.nl (Hans) Date: Sun Jul 9 15:22:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: batch creation of symlinks In-Reply-To: <62473.204.16.146.78.1152461265.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> References: <20060709051453.9529E216B31B@music.columbia.edu> <62473.204.16.146.78.1152461265.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> Message-ID: <44B1576A.3010701@zonnet.nl> That is a good one! I have a feeling I'm going to use this one a lot, because it makes sense. Thanks! --Hans Phil Mendelsohn wrote: >>Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:15:23 +0200 >>From: Hans >>Subject: [linux-audio-user] batch creation of symlinks >> >> > > > >>I want to batch create symlinks in the main directory, of all the files >>in subdirectories. E.g. >> >>$ls >>dir1 >>dir2 >>dir3 >>file1.mp3 -> .dir1/file1.mp3 >>file2.mp3 -> .dir1/file2.mp3 >>file3.mp3 -> .dir2/file3.mp3 >>file4.mp3 -> .dir2/file4.mp3 >>file5.mp3 -> .dir3/file5.mp3 >>file6.mp3 -> .dir3/file6.mp3 >> >>I tried various shell thingies like: >> >>for i in *.mp3; do ln -s --target-directory=../ $i $i; done >> >>in the subdir, or >> >>for i in ./dir1/*.mp3; do ln -s $i $i;done >> >> > >You might find this useful. (cp -s rocks!) > >cd $TARGETDIR >(any loop stuff) > cp -s $FROMDIR *.mp3 ./ > >Cheers, >Phil > > > From fbar at footils.org Sun Jul 9 18:28:07 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Jul 9 18:28:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] batch creation of symlinks In-Reply-To: <20060709191016.2d21ff49@mango.fruits> References: <44B0125B.3080502@zonnet.nl> <20060709091721.GG31167@fliwatut.scifi> <20060709191016.2d21ff49@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <20060709222806.GA1792@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Florian Paul Schmidt hat gesagt: // Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > > $ for i in */* ; do ln -s $i . ; done > > Watch out for whitespaces though. If your filenames can contain spaces, > it might be wise to do > > export IFS=$'\n'$'\t' > > and then do your for-loop. Don't forget to change it back afterwards > though. Alternatively you can quote $i as in: $ for i in */* ; do ln -s "$i" . ; done Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From fbar at footils.org Sun Jul 9 18:32:56 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Jul 9 18:33:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] batch creation of symlinks In-Reply-To: <20060709162351.GE6478@mccormick.cx> References: <44B11DB4.2070600@zonnet.nl> <20060709162623.95026.qmail@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060709162351.GE6478@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <20060709223255.GB1792@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote: > I think you don't actually need the '.' in this case, so the solution > can be two characters shorter. Or omit the loop instead: $ ln -s */* . That must be the shortest one, it's as short as $ cp -s */* . Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From ce at christeck.de Sun Jul 9 18:56:52 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Jul 9 18:58:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rt-lsm Message-ID: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> Hi all, I need your help. I always used the rt-lsm module with my rather dated but working kernel. For some reason (system resetup) I need to compile it anew. I never used the kernel patch but I built it as a module externally and copied it over to my modules directory. I tried to download it from http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/realtime-lsm/realtime-lsm-0.8.6.tar.gz?download but when trying to unpack it I get some errors and after that I only get a text file which is a patch, not the sources to build it externally. My question: * Can anyone provide the proper sources from his hard drive *or* * Can anyone provide an info how to extract the archive mentioned above properly? Any help is much appreciated, because on saturday I'll present linux audio on an Linux exhibition in Pforzheim, Germany. Thanks & best regards, ce From dplist at free.fr Sun Jul 9 19:36:14 2006 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Sun Jul 9 19:36:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rt-lsm In-Reply-To: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> References: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20060710013614.33fd0467.dplist@free.fr> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:56:52 +0200 Christoph Eckert wrote: > I tried to download it from > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/realtime-lsm/realtime-lsm-0.8.6.tar.gz?download get this : http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/realtime-lsm/rt-lsm-0.8.6-kernel.patch.gz It's a single patch file, compressed with gzip. -- David From jack.oquin at gmail.com Sun Jul 9 21:31:20 2006 From: jack.oquin at gmail.com (Jack O'Quin) Date: Sun Jul 9 21:31:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rt-lsm In-Reply-To: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> References: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: On 7/9/06, Christoph Eckert wrote: > My question: > > * Can anyone provide the proper sources from his hard drive *or* > * Can anyone provide an info how to extract the archive mentioned above > properly? I had uploaded that file incorrectly. I just made a new 0.8.7 release, which is unchanged except for having the correct file contents. As soon as the SourceForge mirrors are updated, you can use that. Please pardon the screwup. :-) -- joq From arnold.krille at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 04:45:06 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Mon Jul 10 04:45:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: rt-lsm In-Reply-To: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> References: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <2def88b80607100145m5341ed1egf97b609bfc727230@mail.gmail.com> Hi ce, 2006/7/10, Christoph Eckert : > I need your help. I always used the rt-lsm module with my rather dated > but working kernel. > For some reason (system resetup) I need to compile it anew. I never used > the kernel patch but I built it as a module externally and copied it > over to my modules directory. You're on gentoo, right? Why don't you just use "emerge realtime-lsm"? Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From oz at bluemonk.de Mon Jul 10 07:40:40 2006 From: oz at bluemonk.de (oz) Date: Mon Jul 10 07:40:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rt-lsm In-Reply-To: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> References: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <44B23CB8.9090307@bluemonk.de> Christoph Eckert wrote: > Hi all, > > > I need your help. I always used the rt-lsm module with my rather dated > but working kernel. > > For some reason (system resetup) I need to compile it anew. I never used > the kernel patch but I built it as a module externally and copied it > over to my modules directory. > > I tried to download it from > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/realtime-lsm/realtime-lsm-0.8.6.tar.gz?download > but when trying to unpack it I get some errors and after that I only get > a text file which is a patch, not the sources to build it externally. > > My question: > > * Can anyone provide the proper sources from his hard drive *or* > * Can anyone provide an info how to extract the archive mentioned above > properly? > > > Any help is much appreciated, because on saturday I'll present linux > audio on an Linux exhibition in Pforzheim, Germany. > > > Thanks & best regards, > > > ce Hi, another way could be to fetch it from the Debian-package 'realtime-lsm-source', that contains the lsm-sources: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/realtime-lsm/realtime-lsm_0.1.1.orig.tar.gz I was able to compile it as external module with my custom 2.6.16-kernel (I used module-assistant for it, but compilation with standard methods should be possible also.) - Oliver From t_w_ at freenet.de Mon Jul 10 09:32:16 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Mon Jul 10 09:32:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> References: <20060625153000.GB7312@charly.SWORD> <449EB73E.1030101@boosthardware.com> <20060626142259.GA7516@charly.SWORD> <44A0054A.2010701@boosthardware.com> <20060628130608.GB7322@charly.SWORD> <44A2B3BD.9000003@boosthardware.com> <20060629090844.GA7376@charly.SWORD> <44A39D48.1090003@boosthardware.com> <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 07:26:49PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >>>http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/la-scape_sketch_01.jpg > > > >>That's interesting and unique. It has a certain flava too. I am happy to > >> use that image by itself but if you want to "improve" it then feel > >>free to improvise some more. http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/la-scape_06_s.jpg Requires more work, but just so you know I'm on it :) -- Thorsten Wilms From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Jul 10 09:51:46 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Jul 10 09:39:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> References: <20060625153000.GB7312@charly.SWORD> <449EB73E.1030101@boosthardware.com> <20060626142259.GA7516@charly.SWORD> <44A0054A.2010701@boosthardware.com> <20060628130608.GB7322@charly.SWORD> <44A2B3BD.9000003@boosthardware.com> <20060629090844.GA7376@charly.SWORD> <44A39D48.1090003@boosthardware.com> <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <44B25B72.4050508@woh.rr.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: >http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/la-scape_06_s.jpg > >Requires more work, but just so you know I'm on it :) > Thorsten, that's very cool work. IMO certain Linux audio developers ought to be hiring you for logos. I've been putting up logos on the main page at linux-sound.org, and some notable apps have no logo at all or only a place-holder logo (e.g. Ardour and Planet CCRMA). Do you have a PayPal account ? Best, dp From conor at conorotuama.com Mon Jul 10 10:04:57 2006 From: conor at conorotuama.com (Conor O'Tuama) Date: Mon Jul 10 10:05:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> References: <20060625153000.GB7312@charly.SWORD> <449EB73E.1030101@boosthardware.com> <20060626142259.GA7516@charly.SWORD> <44A0054A.2010701@boosthardware.com> <20060628130608.GB7322@charly.SWORD> <44A2B3BD.9000003@boosthardware.com> <20060629090844.GA7376@charly.SWORD> <44A39D48.1090003@boosthardware.com> <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060710150457.i4scg5vb480gkwwo@webmail.conorotuama.com> Quoting Thorsten Wilms : > On Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 07:26:49PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >> >>>http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/la-scape_sketch_01.jpg >> > >> >>That's interesting and unique. It has a certain flava too. I am happy to >> >> use that image by itself but if you want to "improve" it then feel >> >>free to improvise some more. > > http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/la-scape_06_s.jpg > > Requires more work, but just so you know I'm on it :) > > > -- > Thorsten Wilms > That's really really nice :-) Great work. -- Visit www.conorotuama.com From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Jul 10 11:35:02 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon Jul 10 11:36:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> References: <20060625153000.GB7312@charly.SWORD> <449EB73E.1030101@boosthardware.com> <20060626142259.GA7516@charly.SWORD> <44A0054A.2010701@boosthardware.com> <20060628130608.GB7322@charly.SWORD> <44A2B3BD.9000003@boosthardware.com> <20060629090844.GA7376@charly.SWORD> <44A39D48.1090003@boosthardware.com> <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 07:26:49PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >>>>> http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/la-scape_sketch_01.jpg >>>> That's interesting and unique. It has a certain flava too. I am happy to >>>> use that image by itself but if you want to "improve" it then feel >>>> free to improvise some more. > > http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/la-scape_06_s.jpg > > Requires more work, but just so you know I'm on it :) > It's very smooth. Nice work. I'm not sure about the baby blue background color tho. But the subtle fade is a nice touch. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Jul 10 11:37:04 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon Jul 10 11:38:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New ipod video In-Reply-To: <44AECBC9.1040809@tobiah.org> References: <44AECBC9.1040809@tobiah.org> Message-ID: <44B27420.4030708@boosthardware.com> st wrote: > I can't get this thing to work with windows. I think it's because > I can't get service pack 2 on my pirated copy. My Gentoo box gets usb > errors when I connect it. I don't want to fiddle with > it too much. I thought I might try one of the new desktop type > distros. My workmate like ubuntu. It seems to handle the ipod > well as installed. > What are suggestions as to how to use my ipod with Linux? Which distro, > and which applications? > > Thanks, > > Toby > Hi Toby, With Linux as your OS you can use codeweavers cxoffice which has built in support for ipod software. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From michael at wd21.co.uk Mon Jul 10 12:04:20 2006 From: michael at wd21.co.uk (Michael Pacey) Date: Mon Jul 10 12:10:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD Turion 64 X2 ? In-Reply-To: <20060709164345.78d13459.oz@bluemonk.de> References: <20060709164345.78d13459.oz@bluemonk.de> Message-ID: <33598.127.0.0.1.1152547460.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> oz said: > Do the realtime patches of Ingo Molnar work with SMP-Kernels for > example? And the LSM-modules? Pretty sure Ubuntu ships an AMD64 kernel with PREEMPT and SMP enabled. I have personally used the realtime-lsm module on an Debian as-shipped SMP kernel, though not running on an SMP machine. Most (all?) of Debian's (x86) kernels (and presumably Ubuntu's) ship with SMP enabled by default, because it still works on uniprocesser machines without overhead. I talk about Ubuntu and Debian because that's what I use. If you can wait a week or two, I am getting a dual Opteron X2 (4 core 64-bit) machine this week and my intention is to do audio work on it. I can tell you how it goes. I hope it goes well, I've spent a lot of money! It's not a laptop. That will bring other complications, I'm sure - take note of Frank Barknecht's comments on drivers. I have a laptop with Intel Centrino chipset and it works well, though it is not fast enough for my audio work (softsynths and rosegarden, moving sequences about, quickly, in realtime). The graphics card is not Intel, it's ATI, and I'm having to use their proprietary driver to get what I want out of it. The graphics in the Opteron box will be nVidia though, so there's no escape as yet... -- Michael Pacey From ce at christeck.de Mon Jul 10 12:52:36 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Jul 10 12:53:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rt-lsm In-Reply-To: References: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200607101852.36973.ce@christeck.de> Hi Jack, > I had uploaded that file incorrectly. ?I just made a new 0.8.7 > release, which is unchanged except for having the correct file > contents. ?As soon as the SourceForge mirrors are updated, you can > use that. > > Please pardon the screwup. ?:-) nothing to pardon here, thanks a bunch for fixing! Thx & best regards, ce From ce at christeck.de Mon Jul 10 12:53:52 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Jul 10 12:55:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: rt-lsm In-Reply-To: <2def88b80607100145m5341ed1egf97b609bfc727230@mail.gmail.com> References: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> <2def88b80607100145m5341ed1egf97b609bfc727230@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200607101853.52375.ce@christeck.de> Hi Arnold, > You're on gentoo, right? Why don't you just use "emerge > realtime-lsm"? true, at least that way I could get the source. Thanks for the hint. But as I don't use Genkernel at all, emerge will not be able to install it properly. Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Mon Jul 10 12:54:51 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Jul 10 12:56:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rt-lsm In-Reply-To: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> References: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200607101854.51147.ce@christeck.de> Hi, thanks to all who helped! Best regards ce From t_w_ at freenet.de Mon Jul 10 12:56:48 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Mon Jul 10 12:57:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <44B25B72.4050508@woh.rr.com> References: <20060626142259.GA7516@charly.SWORD> <44A0054A.2010701@boosthardware.com> <20060628130608.GB7322@charly.SWORD> <44A2B3BD.9000003@boosthardware.com> <20060629090844.GA7376@charly.SWORD> <44A39D48.1090003@boosthardware.com> <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B25B72.4050508@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060710165648.GB7280@charly.SWORD> On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 09:51:46AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Thorsten, that's very cool work. IMO certain Linux audio developers > ought to be hiring you for logos. I've been putting up logos on the main > page at linux-sound.org, and some notable apps have no logo at all or > only a place-holder logo (e.g. Ardour and Planet CCRMA). Thanks :) Hey, it's not like I donated money to any of the great projects I use (allthough my financial situation is a good excuse :), so this is one way of giving back. An Ardour logo is already quite advanced. Now, if someone wanted to hire me for painting some fantastic landscape, vehicle, creature or something, we could talk (keep in mind that for a detailed print resolution image, 10 hours are just a start, though ...). > Do you have a PayPal account ? Nope. But I will set one up if the need arises. BTW, the full size is 2726x1948 pixels, so it could be used in print. -- Thorsten Wilms From jouni.rinne at luukku.com Mon Jul 10 13:42:37 2006 From: jouni.rinne at luukku.com (Jouni Rinne) Date: Mon Jul 10 13:42:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: rt-lsm In-Reply-To: <200607101853.52375.ce@christeck.de> References: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> <2def88b80607100145m5341ed1egf97b609bfc727230@mail.gmail.com> <200607101853.52375.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <44B2918D.8060804@luukku.com> Christoph Eckert kirjoitti: >> You're on gentoo, right? Why don't you just use "emerge >> realtime-lsm"? > > But as I don't use Genkernel at all, emerge will not be able to install > it properly. Why not? I don't use genkernel either, but "emerge realtime-lsm" works just fine. The realtime module compiles, installs & works perfectly. Are you sure you have the correct symlink from /usr/src/linux to the kernel sources? JR -- | me@home ~$whoami ^ ^ | "Trust me, I know what I'm doing!" | | Jouni 'Mad Max' Rinne ('x') | - Sledge Hammer | | me@home ~$man woman C " " | -------[ph34r t3h p3Ngu1n]-------- | | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | l33tmmx at sci dot fi | From t_w_ at freenet.de Mon Jul 10 13:48:16 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Mon Jul 10 13:48:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> References: <20060626142259.GA7516@charly.SWORD> <44A0054A.2010701@boosthardware.com> <20060628130608.GB7322@charly.SWORD> <44A2B3BD.9000003@boosthardware.com> <20060629090844.GA7376@charly.SWORD> <44A39D48.1090003@boosthardware.com> <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 10:35:02PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > It's very smooth. Nice work. Thanks. > I'm not sure about the baby blue background color tho. But the subtle > fade is a nice touch. The term baby-blue already points to the problem with that range of colours :) But what else would say wide, open space, sky? Conor O'Tuama: Thank you :) -- Thorsten Wilms From dustin at laurences.net Mon Jul 10 13:53:06 2006 From: dustin at laurences.net (Dustin Laurence) Date: Mon Jul 10 13:53:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: rt-lsm In-Reply-To: <200607101853.52375.ce@christeck.de> References: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> <2def88b80607100145m5341ed1egf97b609bfc727230@mail.gmail.com> <200607101853.52375.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20060710175306.GC489@alice.wonderland.caltech.edu> On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 06:53:52PM +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > Hi Arnold, > > > You're on gentoo, right? Why don't you just use "emerge > > realtime-lsm"? > > true, at least that way I could get the source. Thanks for the hint. > > But as I don't use Genkernel at all, emerge will not be able to install > it properly. Um, I don't use genkernel and I use a number of drivers emerged directly from the portage tree. Why would lsm be different? Dustin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm on Gentoo and use emerge realtime-lsm. works for me. mark@lightning ~ $ eix -I realtime-lsm * sys-apps/realtime-lsm Available versions: 0.8.5-r1 Installed: 0.8.5-r1 Homepage: http://www.joq.us/ Description: Enable realtime capabilties via a security module. Found 1 matches mark@lightning ~ $ mark@lightning ~ $ cat /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 # /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6: kernel modules to load when system boots.# # Note that this file is for 2.6 kernels. # # Add the names of modules that you'd like to load when the system # starts into this file, one per line. Comments begin with # and # are ignored. Read man modules.autoload for additional details. # For example: # 3c59x #fglrx radeon snd-intel8x0 snd-hdsp ieee1394 ohci1394 sbp2 serialize_io=0 realtime gid=600 any=1 mark@lightning ~ $ mark@lightning ~ $ cat /etc/group | grep realtime realtime:x:600:mark mark@lightning ~ $ It just works! Hope this helps, Mark From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Jul 10 15:14:04 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon Jul 10 15:15:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> References: <20060626142259.GA7516@charly.SWORD> <44A0054A.2010701@boosthardware.com> <20060628130608.GB7322@charly.SWORD> <44A2B3BD.9000003@boosthardware.com> <20060629090844.GA7376@charly.SWORD> <44A39D48.1090003@boosthardware.com> <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > The term baby-blue already points to the problem with that range of > colours :) > But what else would say wide, open space, sky? > Sky could work and have an added touch of photo reality which is always good. I have some original shots from various plane windows which might be useful. But it is quite obvious so if we can think of a better way to express it then it would be good. I will chew on it while I sleep and look after my new born baby boy who arrived on Friday at 8:50am... I'm not biased for/against baby blue ;) Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From t_w_ at freenet.de Mon Jul 10 15:52:58 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Mon Jul 10 15:54:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> References: <20060628130608.GB7322@charly.SWORD> <44A2B3BD.9000003@boosthardware.com> <20060629090844.GA7376@charly.SWORD> <44A39D48.1090003@boosthardware.com> <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060710194941.GD7280@charly.SWORD> On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 02:14:04AM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > I will chew on it while I sleep and look after my new born baby boy who > arrived on Friday at 8:50am... > > I'm not biased for/against baby blue ;) Heh, congratulations! :) -- Thorsten Wilms From ce at christeck.de Mon Jul 10 16:25:49 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Jul 10 16:27:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: rt-lsm In-Reply-To: <200607101853.52375.ce@christeck.de> References: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> <2def88b80607100145m5341ed1egf97b609bfc727230@mail.gmail.com> <200607101853.52375.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200607102225.49958.ce@christeck.de> Hi all, > But as I don't use Genkernel at all, emerge will not be able to > install it properly. glad to hear that emerge does a great job. But as I messed my kernel more than once, I prefer to keep control over what happens. Maybe I'm a chicken :) ? Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Mon Jul 10 16:26:15 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Jul 10 16:28:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: rt-lsm In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607101125w674c8903n33ac82bd9c5e3fe0@mail.gmail.com> References: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> <200607101853.52375.ce@christeck.de> <5bdc1c8b0607101125w674c8903n33ac82bd9c5e3fe0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200607102226.15248.ce@christeck.de> Hi Mark, > Not true! I'm on Gentoo and use emerge realtime-lsm. works for me. [...] > It just works! great to hear! But as I messed my kernel more than once, I prefer to keep control over what happens. But I'm glad to hear that emerge does a great job. Best regards ce From _ at whats-your.name Mon Jul 10 17:55:30 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Mon Jul 10 17:55:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD Turion 64 X2 ? In-Reply-To: <20060709145743.GI31167@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060709164345.78d13459.oz@bluemonk.de> <20060709145743.GI31167@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060710215530.GG24050@replic.net> On Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 04:57:43PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > oz hat gesagt: // oz wrote: > > > I have sympathy for a new notebook with AMD Turion 64 X2 dual-core > > cpu. It would open some new possibilities, like virtualization > > (pacifica, xen etc.), pure AMD64 Debian arch, other 32-bit OS' and - > > and that is the question - good realtime-audio performance? > > I would say be careful with AMD laptops and Linux. Intel machines tend > to be much better supported because there are open source drivers for > the other parts inside these machines like WLAN, gfx card (if it's > Intel) etc. while AMD laptops often use NVidia chipsets and gfx cards > or similar stuff by ATi for which you need to install binary drivers > sometimes, that may mess up other things like power management in > strange ways. 64bit isn't that important for audio anyways. Getting a > laptop to run flawlessly is hard enough, don't make it harder on > yourself by buying hardware without open source drivers. my ATI IXP based AMD64 works flawlessly on linux. even 3d accel is supported with the open drivers after hacking a line into drm_pciids.txt > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 18:00:31 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jul 10 18:00:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: rt-lsm In-Reply-To: <200607102226.15248.ce@christeck.de> References: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> <200607101853.52375.ce@christeck.de> <5bdc1c8b0607101125w674c8903n33ac82bd9c5e3fe0@mail.gmail.com> <200607102226.15248.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607101500p66d3c220hd21eee59605a53a0@mail.gmail.com> On 7/10/06, Christoph Eckert wrote: > Hi Mark, > > > > Not true! I'm on Gentoo and use emerge realtime-lsm. works for me. > [...] > > It just works! > > great to hear! But as I messed my kernel more than once, I prefer to > keep control over what happens. But I'm glad to hear that emerge does a > great job. > I don't understand what you mean by 'messed up' and 'keep control'. I do not use Gentkernel. I use make menuconfig, choose my settings, build the kernel and install it. I then emerge realtime-lsm after I've changed the /usr/src/linux link to point at the new source code tree and it all works. Anyway, if you get into any trouble we're all here to help. cheers, Mark From ce at christeck.de Mon Jul 10 18:20:20 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Jul 10 18:21:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: rt-lsm In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607101500p66d3c220hd21eee59605a53a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> <200607102226.15248.ce@christeck.de> <5bdc1c8b0607101500p66d3c220hd21eee59605a53a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200607110020.20861.ce@christeck.de> Hi Mark, > I don't understand what you mean by 'messed up' and 'keep control'. I > do not use Gentkernel. I use make menuconfig, choose my settings, > build the kernel and install it. I then emerge realtime-lsm after > I've changed the /usr/src/linux link to point at the new source code > tree and it all works. cool. But trust me, I managed to mess my machine up, and it's not only about the kernel :) . It has to do with switching back and forth the gcc profile during the last months, so various problems have risen. I really should rebuild the complete installation. > Anyway, if you get into any trouble we're all here to help. Thanks for the offer. I hope I can now get it to work by myself, but no one knows when batman appears :) . Thanks all, ce From oz at bluemonk.de Mon Jul 10 18:25:41 2006 From: oz at bluemonk.de (oz) Date: Mon Jul 10 18:25:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD Turion 64 X2 ? In-Reply-To: <20060709145743.GI31167@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060709164345.78d13459.oz@bluemonk.de> <20060709145743.GI31167@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060711002541.4d4d20b1.oz@bluemonk.de> On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 16:57:43 +0200 Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > oz hat gesagt: // oz wrote: > > > I have sympathy for a new notebook with AMD Turion 64 X2 dual-core > > cpu. It would open some new possibilities, like virtualization > > (pacifica, xen etc.), pure AMD64 Debian arch, other 32-bit OS' and - > > and that is the question - good realtime-audio performance? > > I would say be careful with AMD laptops and Linux. Intel machines tend > to be much better supported because there are open source drivers for > the other parts inside these machines like WLAN, gfx card (if it's > Intel) etc. while AMD laptops often use NVidia chipsets and gfx cards > or similar stuff by ATi for which you need to install binary drivers > sometimes, that may mess up other things like power management in > strange ways. 64bit isn't that important for audio anyways. Getting a > laptop to run flawlessly is hard enough, don't make it harder on > yourself by buying hardware without open source drivers. Thanks. I agree in general, but it's a dilemma - feed opportunistic companies like ati or feed quasi-monopols like intel. :-/ So the only thing, that's sure at the moment, is that I choose a AMD Dual-Core for my next computer. And one of its OS' (besides other multi-boots) will be a dedicated 32-bit linux for audio purposes. Because dual-core Turions are very recent, there seems to be not much experience with latencies and realtime-kernels at the moment. We'll see. In reality, I only found one (o-n-e) laptop at the moment, that could work for me (Asus A6T, nvidia/realtek based). At the same time I know, its WLAN-card (Airgo) is not supported. The problem you mentioned. A deal-breaker would be, if dual-cores don't work well with realtime-audio. Gruss, Oliver From oz at bluemonk.de Mon Jul 10 19:08:34 2006 From: oz at bluemonk.de (oz) Date: Mon Jul 10 19:08:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD Turion 64 X2 ? In-Reply-To: <33598.127.0.0.1.1152547460.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> References: <20060709164345.78d13459.oz@bluemonk.de> <33598.127.0.0.1.1152547460.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060711010834.b19ac7e6.oz@bluemonk.de> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:04:20 +0100 (BST) "Michael Pacey" wrote: > oz said: > > > Do the realtime patches of Ingo Molnar work with SMP-Kernels for > > example? And the LSM-modules? > > Pretty sure Ubuntu ships an AMD64 kernel with PREEMPT and SMP enabled. I > have personally used the realtime-lsm module on an Debian as-shipped SMP > kernel, though not running on an SMP machine. Most (all?) of Debian's > (x86) kernels (and presumably Ubuntu's) ship with SMP enabled by default, > because it still works on uniprocesser machines without overhead. I talk > about Ubuntu and Debian because that's what I use. Aha, thanks, that are strong hints, that the realtime patches compile cleanly against SMP-Kernels (that's good!). But it says not much about the achieved realtime capabilities. The situation with the Debian-Kernels seems not to be as clear to me. Recently I installed a Debian/stable on a dual Opteron and the default Kernel supported only one cpu (cat /proc/cpuinfo). I had to post-install a dedicated SMP-Kernel (2.6.15x-SMP). It seems, Debian has always two versions (SMP and not) of a Kernel. Eventually the new debian-installer from etch does a better autodetection and installs a SMP-kernel by default. > If you can wait a week or two, I am getting a dual Opteron X2 (4 core > 64-bit) machine this week and my intention is to do audio work on it. I > can tell you how it goes. I hope it goes well, I've spent a lot of money! Yeah, that would be great to read about it here in the forum! And I have to wait anyway, because my favorite notebook is not available the next few weeks. > It's not a laptop. That will bring other complications, I'msure - take > note of Frank Barknecht's comments on drivers. I have a laptop with Intel > Centrino chipset and it works well, though it is not fast enough for my > audio work (softsynths and rosegarden, moving sequences about, quickly, in > realtime). The graphics card is not Intel, it's ATI, and I'm having to use > their proprietary driver to get what I want out of it. The graphics in the > Opteron box will be nVidia though, so there's no escape as yet... Ok, but that was a mono-processor (right?). Best wishes for your quadro-core system! When it will be really fast, chances are good, that a dual-core in a laptop can be sufficient for me. Thanks for your comments, Oliver From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jul 10 19:17:53 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jul 10 19:18:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD Turion 64 X2 ? In-Reply-To: <20060711010834.b19ac7e6.oz@bluemonk.de> References: <20060709164345.78d13459.oz@bluemonk.de> <33598.127.0.0.1.1152547460.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> <20060711010834.b19ac7e6.oz@bluemonk.de> Message-ID: <1152573474.19047.41.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 01:08 +0200, oz wrote: > Aha, thanks, that are strong hints, that the realtime patches > compile cleanly against SMP-Kernels (that's good!). But it says not > much about the achieved realtime capabilities. As one would expect realtime performance is no better or worse than 32 bit i386. You need a recent JACK version as dual core AMDs have a hardware bug that screws up JACK's timing. Lee From yves_p at nnx.com Mon Jul 10 19:38:38 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Mon Jul 10 19:38:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD Turion 64 X2 ? In-Reply-To: <20060711010834.b19ac7e6.oz@bluemonk.de> References: <20060709164345.78d13459.oz@bluemonk.de> <33598.127.0.0.1.1152547460.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> <20060711010834.b19ac7e6.oz@bluemonk.de> Message-ID: <20060710233838.GB2637@localhost> Le 11 Jul ? 01:08, oz ecrivait: > > If you can wait a week or two, I am getting a dual Opteron X2 (4 core > > 64-bit) machine this week and my intention is to do audio work on it. I > > can tell you how it goes. I hope it goes well, I've spent a lot of money! > > Yeah, that would be great to read about it here in the forum! > And I have to wait anyway, because my favorite notebook is not > available the next few weeks. Hi. I have exactly the same hardware, and I'm particularly happy with it. It works really great, including with Ingo Molnar's realtime patch (2.6.16 kernel). The only difference is that I use it with 32 bits gentoo, not 64 bits. By the way, does one can expect real improvements with the 2.6.17 kernel, especially regarding the new scheduler for dual core CPU ? Thanks in advance for any advice, Y. From carotinobg at yahoo.it Tue Jul 11 20:32:47 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Mon Jul 10 20:40:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: rt-lsm In-Reply-To: <200607110020.20861.ce@christeck.de> References: <200607100056.52957.ce@christeck.de> <5bdc1c8b0607101500p66d3c220hd21eee59605a53a0@mail.gmail.com> <200607110020.20861.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200607120232.47278.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 00:20, marted? 11 luglio 2006, Christoph Eckert ha scritto: > Thanks for the offer. I hope I can now get it to work by myself, but no > one knows when batman appears :) . Building and properly installing it from plain downloaded source is really easy. The README is handy, it's very simple:) byez! Carotinho Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Jul 11 07:10:37 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Jul 11 06:58:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> Message-ID: <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> Greetings: The final pieces are coming together for the new iron here at Studio Dave. I have two last questions (well, for now) : Is this a good selection for the hard disk: Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 ST3400633A 400 GB 7200 RPM 16MB cache EIDE Ultra ATA100, new with Seagate warranty, $166 I'm considering trying a new distro. Gentoo and Ubuntu are recommended, so I might look at them. However, my main question is: Do I necessarily want to install a kernel for a 64-bit CPU ? IIUC I'm better off running most Linux audio applications in 32-bit mode, which I understand occurs seamlessly. But do I need to use a 32-bit kernel for those apps, or do I need to install the 64-bit ? (Is that a dumb question?) Best, dp From arnold.krille at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 08:54:45 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Tue Jul 11 08:54:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80607110554j5abe16c4q71d92db7450b0daa@mail.gmail.com> 2006/7/11, Dave Phillips : > I'm considering trying a new distro. Gentoo and Ubuntu are > recommended, so I might look at them. However, my main question is: Do I > necessarily want to install a kernel for a 64-bit CPU ? IIUC I'm better > off running most Linux audio applications in 32-bit mode, which I > understand occurs seamlessly. But do I need to use a 32-bit kernel for > those apps, or do I need to install the 64-bit ? (Is that a dumb question?) First I recommend gentoo, its nice, its cool, you don't install things you don't need. Second: If you have a 64bit processor you definitly want to make use of it. Most apps nowadays calculate with double-numbers. these run a lot faster on 64bit. And gentoo has a very good 32bit chain for everything that needs it (flash and other bin-only-apps), so there is no need to worry. Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Jul 11 09:11:18 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Jul 11 09:10:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <2def88b80607110554j5abe16c4q71d92db7450b0daa@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> <2def88b80607110554j5abe16c4q71d92db7450b0daa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1152623478.30718.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 14:54 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: > 2006/7/11, Dave Phillips : > > I'm considering trying a new distro. Gentoo and Ubuntu are > > recommended, so I might look at them. However, my main question is: Do I > > necessarily want to install a kernel for a 64-bit CPU ? IIUC I'm better > > off running most Linux audio applications in 32-bit mode, which I > > understand occurs seamlessly. But do I need to use a 32-bit kernel for > > those apps, or do I need to install the 64-bit ? (Is that a dumb question?) > > First I recommend gentoo, its nice, its cool, you don't install things > you don't need. > > Second: If you have a 64bit processor you definitly want to make use > of it. Most apps nowadays calculate with double-numbers. these run a > lot faster on 64bit. not really, they don't. floating point is done on a different processor. greater memory bandwidth on some processors/motherboards etc. can make working with 80-bit floats faster, but a 64 bit CPU itself has no real effect. also, i don't know many apps that use 80 bit FP, for audio or anything else that matter. there are some, but not many. From arnold.krille at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 10:23:44 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Tue Jul 11 10:23:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <1152623478.30718.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> <2def88b80607110554j5abe16c4q71d92db7450b0daa@mail.gmail.com> <1152623478.30718.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2def88b80607110723r79d0e4d0sd7f3bf32b9635c1c@mail.gmail.com> 2006/7/11, Paul Davis : > On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 14:54 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: > > Second: If you have a 64bit processor you definitly want to make use > > of it. Most apps nowadays calculate with double-numbers. these run a > > lot faster on 64bit. > not really, they don't. floating point is done on a different processor. > greater memory bandwidth on some processors/motherboards etc. can make > working with 80-bit floats faster, but a 64 bit CPU itself has no real > effect. Well, I _know_ that 64bit is faster: Here at work I have dual-Xeon's with 2.8GHz, my laptop is a Turion64 with 1.8GHz. The same computation (evaluating scientific data from time-of-flight/lifetime experiments) on the same data-files is significant slower on the work-pc's (almost factor 2). As my threads are one thread for computation and others for loading and saving the data, it is really a comparison of two single processors, where the faster one does even the IO-work itself... > also, i don't know many apps that use 80 bit FP, for audio or anything > else that matter. there are some, but not many. We will switch to 64bit here at work the next time we buy computers because they _are_ faster. (even more as we are starting a project with amd :-) ) Have a nice day, Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From steve at hassard.net Tue Jul 11 10:30:36 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Tue Jul 11 10:30:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <2def88b80607110723r79d0e4d0sd7f3bf32b9635c1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> <2def88b80607110554j5abe16c4q71d92db7450b0daa@mail.gmail.com> <1152623478.30718.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2def88b80607110723r79d0e4d0sd7f3bf32b9635c1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B3B60C.3090105@hassard.net> Arnold Krille wrote: > Well, I _know_ that 64bit is faster: Here at work I have dual-Xeon's > with 2.8GHz, my laptop is a Turion64 with 1.8GHz. The same computation > (evaluating scientific data from time-of-flight/lifetime experiments) > on the same data-files is significant slower on the work-pc's (almost > factor 2). As my threads are one thread for computation and others for > loading and saving the data, it is really a comparison of two single > processors, where the faster one does even the IO-work itself... You're really comparing apples to oranges. The AMD and Intel architectures are so different, that you should really be comparing 32bit to 64bit computing on the same machine. One of the side effects that you may end up noticing is that the AMD 64bit architecture makes more CPU registers available for use, and not the fact that you're computing everything in 64bits. later, Steve From nescivi at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 12:01:24 2006 From: nescivi at gmail.com (Marije Baalman) Date: Tue Jul 11 12:01:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Nomad - Nord Modular Editor Message-ID: <44B3CB54.6070605@gmail.com> Hi, I just came across this, and thought some people here might be interested... (I remember the topic coming up some time...) sincerely, Marije ----------------------------------- Hi, our first release of Nomad - Nord Modular Editor is now available. You can download the release in the Files section: Package: nomad Release 0.2.1-pre Please note that this is only a pre release and has several bugs and limitations. However you can do the most important operations: - import patch file(s) - export patch to a file - send a patch to the synthesizer - receive a patch from the synthesizer - edit patch which exists in the synthesizer See also the file 'README.txt' in the release. Requirements: ------------- - Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 - platform: any Starting Nomad: --------------- You start Nomad with the command: java -jar nomad.jar Micro Modular users: -------------------- Since none of us developers has a Micro Modular available for testing we don't support this model at the moment. However you can try if Nomad works with this model and supply us with feedback so that we can make necessary changes to achive support. Note: Before you use Nomad with the Micro Modular you have to ... - open nomad/conf/application.xml in a text editor - change the line 4 to 1 - save the file Feedback / Reporting Problems: ------------------------------ You can supply us with feedback or report problems at the nmedit-devel mailing list: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=18303 If you want to report exceptions please add the log file 'nomad.log' to your report. Your nmedit team From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Tue Jul 11 16:16:50 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Tue Jul 11 16:17:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> References: <20060626142259.GA7516@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <200607112116.50590.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Monday 10 July 2006 18:48, Thorsten Wilms was like: > > It's very smooth. Nice work. Ditto. Nice design, Thorsten. > Thanks. > ? > > > I'm not sure about the baby blue background color tho. But the subtle > > fade is a nice touch. > > The term baby-blue already points to the problem with that range of > colours :) > But what else would say wide, open space, sky? Cerulean blue, pedantically speaking. Somewhere between #00aaff and #88ccff, personally I prefer the darker shade, but I think the lighter shade is more correct. It just so happens to be the traditional colour of Bardic robes, which would also be appropriate. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Tue Jul 11 21:11:57 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Tue Jul 11 21:12:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture V0.3.1, das_watchdog V0.2.2 and Mammut V0.22 Message-ID: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ jack_capture ************************************************************************* jack_capture is a small program to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers into a file without having to patch jack connections, fiddle around with fileformats, or set options on the argument line. This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no one made. So here it is. Changes 0.2.4 -> 0.3.1: ----------------------- *Reduced CPU usage a lot because of better disk handling. (25% -> 1%) *Make sure the rest of the recorded file is not garbage in case of an overrun. *Added the port argument, which can be specified many times and accepts both input and output port names (including regexp expressions). This makes jack_capture to completely replace jackrec. *Rewrote buffer handling. Silence is now inserted when underruns occure. Previously, the file became shorter than the recording in case of underrun. It can still happen though, but much more seldom, and a warning about that will be printed to the terminal. *Last rests of jackrec code has been rewritten. Well, all the code with substance, at least. *Nicified code a lot. *More efficient way of handling overruns. *Fixed really stupid compilation error. Thanks to Dragan Noveski for spotting it. das_watchdog ************************************************************************* Whenever a program locks up the machine, das_watchdog will temporarily sets all realtime process to non-realtime for 8 seconds. You will get an xmessage window up on the screen whenever that happens. Changes 0.2.2->0.2.3 -------------------- *Fixed commandline arguments for increasetime, checktime and waittime. *Nicified source a bit Mammut ************************************************************************* Mammut will FFT your sound in one single gigantic analysis (no windows). These spectral data, where the development in time is incorporated in mysterious ways, may then be transformed by different algorithms prior to resynthesis. An interesting aspect of Mammut is its completely non-intuitive sound transformation approach. Changes 0.21->0.22 ------------------ *Added patch and instructions from Owen Green on how to make mammut compile on OSX. Thanks! (Sorry, I forgot to release this version for almost a year...) From dvenable6 at cox.net Tue Jul 11 23:17:04 2006 From: dvenable6 at cox.net (Devin Venable) Date: Tue Jul 11 23:16:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] zombified jackd tascam us-122 Message-ID: <1152674224.4961.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Audio has never worked well with the us-122 on my box. When it does work, the sound is clippy/choppy. This happens even before jack makes any complaints. I've tried every conceivable jack setting. Here's my latest configuration, along with a log that ends zobmified. Should I just give up and sell the damn us-122? (my PCI audio card works fine...but is noisy; which is why I invested in the us-122) 22:08:26.920 /usr/bin/jackd -R -p256 -t10000 -dalsa -r44100 -p1024 -n2 -D -Chw:1 -Phw:1,0 22:08:26.924 JACK was started with PID=5642 (0x160a). jackd 0.100.0 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... hw:1,0|hw:1|1024|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-| 32bit control device hw:1 configuring for 44100Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods Note: audio device hw:1 doesn't support a 32bit sample format so JACK will try a 24bit format instead nperiods = 2 for capture Note: audio device hw:1,0 doesn't support a 32bit sample format so JACK will try a 24bit format instead nperiods = 2 for playback 22:08:28.985 Server configuration saved to "/home/dextron/.jackdrc". 22:08:28.986 Statistics reset. 22:08:28.988 Client activated. 22:08:28.988 Audio connection change. 22:08:28.989 Audio connection graph change. 22:08:39.970 Audio connection graph change. 22:08:39.996 Audio connection change. 22:08:39.998 Audio connection graph change. 22:08:40.184 MIDI connection graph change. 22:08:40.201 MIDI connection change. 22:10:31.593 Audio connection graph change. 22:10:31.632 MIDI connection graph change. 22:10:31.750 Audio connection change. 22:10:31.752 MIDI connection change. jackd watchdog: timeout - killing jackd zombified - calling shutdown handler 22:10:37.271 Shutdown notification. 22:10:37.273 Client deactivated. 22:10:37.275 JACK was stopped successfully. cannot send request type 7 to server cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Broken pipe) cannot send request type 7 to server cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Broken pipe) Other interesting factors: I'm running 64 bit Ubuntu Dapper, dual core processor, NVIDIA nForce 4 chipset based K8N Neo4 motherboard From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Jul 12 05:04:21 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Jul 12 05:04:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta5 released In-Reply-To: <1152383543.28129.4.camel@mindpipe> References: <44A4F47D.3010201@gmail.com> <20060708182605.GA9112@r51> <1152383543.28129.4.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200607121004.22629.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 08 July 2006 19:32, Lee Revell was like: > > > Quick question: Can I choose to play *with* gaps as well? I like gaps, > > > I'm used to them from my vinyl collection. > > > > Well, no. There's no existing option to put gaps between tracks, > > though it would be relatively easy to implement. > > Is this really the job of the player? ?It seems that if you rip from a > CD with gaps the MP3s should contain leading or trailing silence. > Otherwise how can the player be expected to know that one batch of > tracks is a live performance and should be played back gapless, and > another is from a CD and should have 2 second gaps? The player doesn't need to be able to work out the original intention of the tracks. The request here is for the user to be able to choose gaps. So long as implementing gaps doesn't break gapless playback, I don't honestly see the problem. Running a helper application purely to add gaps or having to edit the ripped files seems daft to me. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Jul 12 05:52:48 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Jul 12 05:53:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <1152282185.18514.34.camel@groovious> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <44AE5FD8.5020405@poeticstudios.com> <1152282185.18514.34.camel@groovious> Message-ID: <200607121052.48747.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 07 July 2006 15:23, John Anderson was like: > ONe of the things that I find somewhat grating about certain soundfonts > is that the vibrato on strings is always exactly the same. Some way to > give that some variation would also be nice. Absolutely. The range and shape of the variations could be programmed into the instrument definition and linked to a spare MIDI controller. I can forsee us deprecating MIDI in favour of something like OSC for serious work, eventually. Obviously the format will have to remain negotiable for backwards compatibility reasons, but by and large I find MIDI and soundfonts so horrendously limited as to be only really useful for demos. I'd like to see proper microtonal support in all sound-producing applications, currently only ZynAddSubFX handles this nicely. For me 12Tet@A=440Hz always sounds out of tune. YMMV. Not being a confident programmer I'm finding Csound, supercollider and even Pd et al., rather complicated to get into and I have taxi'd up the runway many times, great for experimenting, but I haven't made the time to learn how to produce quality results - I suspect most ordinary musicians won't either. In general, I'm finding the process of creating new instrument sounds to be less straightforward than I would like it to be, be that editing soundfonts, csound orchestras, ZynAddSubFX patches or whatever. Really I'm yearning for analog synths, I have fond memories of playing with MS10s, SH101s and my old Pro1 and the kind of resonant filter sweeps that are possible with analog filters. Is the sound I am looking for simply not possible digitally? Would anyone with the appropriate skills consider modelling VCS3 or Prophet filters in software? The closest application is probably Alsa Modular Synth for what I want (as I'd like to be able to filter samples too), but it does appear to have limitations. I shall persevere, obviously. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Jul 12 06:05:57 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Jul 12 06:06:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <1152383868.2600.1.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <20060707175712.GH3356@fliwatut.scifi> <1152383868.2600.1.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <200607121105.57610.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 08 July 2006 19:37, Florin Andrei was like: > > As Dave P. wrote, if a real *groove* is wanted, editing a lot of stuff > > like timings and velocities by hand and ear is the usual way to work. > > Obviously one takes this hard and time consuming road, because just > > adding gaussian or other randomization is not achieving satisfying > > results for the goal at hand. > > A potentially good but certainly expensive method would be to record > many expert human players and analyze their playing. Some kind of > patterns must emerge. > Then try and reproduce that in software. This is only a theory*, but the majority of music that is considered 'harmonic' is based on whole-number ratios (2:3 -> 8:9). It makes a great deal of musical sense to apply this (filter) to rhythmic data and/or the randomised variations of that data. Most rhythmical information can be broken down into single, double and triplet groups. The aural complexity of the music is directly proportional to the complexity of the maths. It should be up to the user to specify the allowable amount of harmonic / rhythmic complexity. Just a thought. * It is, however a theory that I base most of my music on. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From michael at wd21.co.uk Wed Jul 12 06:49:29 2006 From: michael at wd21.co.uk (Michael Pacey) Date: Wed Jul 12 06:55:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta5 released In-Reply-To: <200607121004.22629.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <44A4F47D.3010201@gmail.com> <20060708182605.GA9112@r51> <1152383543.28129.4.camel@mindpipe> <200607121004.22629.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <36050.127.0.0.1.1152701369.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> tim hall said: > On Saturday 08 July 2006 19:32, Lee Revell was like: >> > > Quick question: Can I choose to play *with* gaps as well? I like >> gaps, >> > > I'm used to them from my vinyl collection. Gapless playback simply amounts to playing your audio files in immediate succession rather than having any pause while the player loads the next file. If there are silences at the end of your files, representing silences on your vinyl or CD between tracks, then they will be played as silence. The onus is on whoever does the ripping to include the silence or not. By the way, there are plenty of vinyl releases which do not have gaps, for instance lots of Pink Floyd and other prog rock. -- Michael Pacey From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 07:55:45 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Jul 12 07:55:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Nomad - Nord Modular Editor In-Reply-To: <44B3CB54.6070605@gmail.com> References: <44B3CB54.6070605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B4E341.60604@gmail.com> Marije Baalman wrote: > our first release of Nomad - Nord Modular Editor is now available. Maybe I should one of those then. Might complement csound and chuck nicely :-) -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From perodog at gmx.net Wed Jul 12 08:31:04 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Wed Jul 12 08:29:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problems building meterbridge Message-ID: <44B4EB88.2020201@gmx.net> hi to the list, i removed the debian meterbridge package from my system, cause i will get rid of the appis depending on jack.deb, making me unable to properli install svn-jack. so last night i compiled h2, zynadd, specimen, jack-rack, everything good, but runing make on meterbridge i get following error: nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/meterbridge/meterbridge-0.9.2$ make Making all in src make[1]: Entering directory `/home/nowhiskey/software/nove/meterbridge/meterbridge-0.9.2/src' make all-am make[2]: Entering directory `/home/nowhiskey/software/nove/meterbridge/meterbridge-0.9.2/src' source='vu_meters.c' object='vu_meters.o' libtool=no \ depfile='.deps/vu_meters.Po' tmpdepfile='.deps/vu_meters.TPo' \ depmode=gcc3 /bin/sh ../depcomp \ gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/local/include -DPKG_DATA_DIR=\"/usr/local/share/meterbridge\" -c `test -f 'vu_meters.c' || echo './'`vu_meters.c vu_meters.c:11: error: static declaration of 'buf_rect' follows non-static declaration main.h:11: error: previous declaration of 'buf_rect' was here make[2]: *** [vu_meters.o] Fehler 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/nowhiskey/software/nove/meterbridge/meterbridge-0.9.2/src' make[1]: *** [all] Fehler 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/nowhiskey/software/nove/meterbridge/meterbridge-0.9.2/src' make: *** [all-recursive] Fehler 1 for me as newbee, it does not look like missing dependency, but like a code error?! does anybody out there has an idea how to solve this problem. cheers, doc From jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com Wed Jul 12 08:36:46 2006 From: jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham) Date: Wed Jul 12 08:35:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] zombified jackd tascam us-122 In-Reply-To: <1152674224.4961.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1152674224.4961.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060712123646.GA19852@thor.chicagoguitar.com> On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 10:17:04PM -0500, Devin Venable wrote: > Audio has never worked well with the us-122 on my box. When it does > work, the sound is clippy/choppy. This happens even before jack makes > any complaints. > Other interesting factors: > I'm running 64 bit Ubuntu Dapper, dual core processor, NVIDIA nForce 4 > chipset based K8N Neo4 motherboard > You never did tell us your jack version. I get good sound out of my tascam us-122. I run it with 512 frames/period sample rate 44100 and period buffer = 2. For that device you need jack .100 or higher. Jeremiah > > From cesare at poeticstudios.com Wed Jul 12 11:02:48 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Wed Jul 12 09:02:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <200607121052.48747.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <44AE5FD8.5020405@poeticstudios.com> <1152282185.18514.34.camel@groovious> <200607121052.48747.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <44B50F18.80402@poeticstudios.com> tim hall wrote: >Really I'm yearning for analog synths, I have fond memories of playing with >MS10s, SH101s and my old Pro1 and the kind of resonant filter sweeps that are >possible with analog filters. Is the sound I am looking for simply not >possible digitally? Would anyone with the appropriate skills consider >modelling VCS3 or Prophet filters in software? The closest application is >probably Alsa Modular Synth for what I want (as I'd like to be able to filter >samples too), but it does appear to have limitations. I shall persevere, >obviously. > > I still own (and use) a Korg MS20. I had an MS10 also, but sold it two years ago to pay some bills :-) . I'm not a DSP expert but what makes these synths unique were their unpredictability and their lack of precision. An analog circuit like that is sensible to temperature, humidity. The difference between a real analog synth and a soft synth is much like the difference between a tape recorder and a digital recorder. We're used to the sound of the first kind, a sound that is determined by the intrinsic limitations of that technology. If we reproduce or store our performance in bits anyway, there's no difference between a well programmed soft synth and a real analog apart from the fact that the first one sound (and has been designed to sound) too perfect. Isn't, again, a matter of introducing a bit of randomicity (if this is the correct term)? c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From roberto.gordo at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 11:04:35 2006 From: roberto.gordo at gmail.com (Roberto Gordo Saez) Date: Wed Jul 12 11:04:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64bit vs 32bit (was: Re: AMD64 question: update) Message-ID: <53e0b1850607120804sb289b3cyae704ba02328c289@mail.gmail.com> On 7/11/06, Arnold Krille wrote: > Well, I _know_ that 64bit is faster: Here at work I have dual-Xeon's > with 2.8GHz, my laptop is a Turion64 with 1.8GHz. The same computation > (evaluating scientific data from time-of-flight/lifetime experiments) > on the same data-files is significant slower on the work-pc's (almost > factor 2). As my threads are one thread for computation and others for > loading and saving the data, it is really a comparison of two single > processors, where the faster one does even the IO-work itself... Personally, I would like to suggest everyone to actually make some serious tests on 64bit hardware with some intensive sound applications (or other programs that are main tasks for the computer). Latter, you can decide which one you want for everyday use. Surprisingly for myself, I've found that 64bit are NOT always much faster, and sometimes are actually slower. It is true that most applications may improve performance when running on 64bit. But exceptions does exist, mainly because the smaller data chunks on code with 4 byte pointers (32bit), which improves cache usage, and also because there are still lots of applications heavily optimized for 32bit x86 code, whose performance is degraded when running on 64bit. I've made tests mainly on big server applications, I have not made tests on audio software, so I suggest everyone to dedicate some time testing your own apps. It is simple: make two partitions, one of them with a 32bit OS, and the other optimized for 64 bit. Do not use a chroot nor mixed environment (32bit libs on 64bit system), because the results can be slightly different. There is one case in that 64bit is always recommended: if you want to use big resource hungry applications that handle more than 3GB of RAM per process. Linux does support more RAM even on 32bit machines (using PAE extension), but the ugly limit on memory per process on 32bit mode is still there. On 64bit mode processes can access up to 1TB. And yes, they actually exists. I've seen some applications easy allocating more than 50GB of RAM per process! But not on my main desktop computer, it is still a Pentium II :-) I'm interested on this, so if anyone has made some real performance tests with commonly used audio or other multimedia apps on 32bit and 64bit, it would be great to know results. From arnold.krille at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 12:20:40 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Wed Jul 12 12:20:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: 64bit vs 32bit (was: Re: AMD64 question: update) In-Reply-To: <53e0b1850607120804sb289b3cyae704ba02328c289@mail.gmail.com> References: <53e0b1850607120804sb289b3cyae704ba02328c289@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80607120920y39e43902u8ae1351c31f05bb3@mail.gmail.com> 2006/7/12, Roberto Gordo Saez : > I've made tests mainly on big server applications, I have not made > tests on audio software, so I suggest everyone to dedicate some time > testing your own apps. It is simple: make two partitions, one of them > with a 32bit OS, and the other optimized for 64 bit. Do not use a > chroot nor mixed environment (32bit libs on 64bit system), because the > results can be slightly different. Okay, I don't have space (and time) for a second partition. And while I understand that my testing might not be the optimum test, I think your's isn't either: Because you compare fully using a 64bit system with using a 64bit system in 32bit-mode. It is like comparing a big motorcycle with the same motorcycle but slowed down. For sure the slowed-down version will not be as fast. Also german IT-newspaper c't has made some comparisons when opteron64 and intel xeons with 64bit went onto the market Their result was that the amd64 are faster than the intel64. And surprisingly enough the amd64 in 32-bit mode where almost as fast as in 64-bit mode while the intels where significantly slower in 32-bit mode than in 64-bit mode... I am thinking about some other test, as someone mentioned registers and memory and stuff, which I think are good to recognise, but for the "real" computing speed maybe a mathematical test would be better? A test that wouldn't need lots of memory and lots of registers and doesn't have lots of cache-misses? Like computing pi to a certain number of relevant numbers? And, yes, I am comparing apples with oranges. But that was the question at least here in the lab: Comparing single-turion64 with double Xeon32. And guess what: On rather simple code, without special SSE/MMX/etc optimisation, with the same compilerflags, the turion was significantly faster. So I would like to prove this observation by a good test. But comparing a retarded 64bit system with a full 64bit system isn't the solution. (Who would for example shut down half of the heating of his toaster anyway?) Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From _ at whats-your.name Wed Jul 12 13:03:36 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Wed Jul 12 13:04:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: 64bit vs 32bit (was: Re: AMD64 question: update) In-Reply-To: <2def88b80607120920y39e43902u8ae1351c31f05bb3@mail.gmail.com> References: <53e0b1850607120804sb289b3cyae704ba02328c289@mail.gmail.com> <2def88b80607120920y39e43902u8ae1351c31f05bb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060712170336.GC18183@replic.net> you get twice as many registers, and some, but not all data is twice as large. the end result seems to be about 20-30% faster than running in 32bit mode (basing this on osc-count in synths + genlop -t compiletimes). certain things do feel slower, namely firefox and KDE, which could be due all the pointers. the big showstopper is all the coolest audio apps ( i mean the ones that arent just mediocre kde/qt knockoffs of what MacOS had in 1993 ) are not 64bit clean. someone should fedex miller puckette and james mccartney and ge wang linux-loaded amd64 boxen and demand a fix! right now i'd go Turion X2. if you want all 3 of: mobile, 64bit, dual-core, only AMD has an answer for you.. From roberto.gordo at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 13:37:18 2006 From: roberto.gordo at gmail.com (Roberto Gordo Saez) Date: Wed Jul 12 13:37:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: 64bit vs 32bit (was: Re: AMD64 question: update) In-Reply-To: <2def88b80607120920y39e43902u8ae1351c31f05bb3@mail.gmail.com> References: <53e0b1850607120804sb289b3cyae704ba02328c289@mail.gmail.com> <2def88b80607120920y39e43902u8ae1351c31f05bb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53e0b1850607121037y5c43d52eub66933e7ad4e5740@mail.gmail.com> On 7/12/06, Arnold Krille wrote: > Okay, I don't have space (and time) for a second partition. And while > I understand that my testing might not be the optimum test, I think > your's isn't either: Because you compare fully using a 64bit system > with using a 64bit system in 32bit-mode. It is like comparing a big > motorcycle with the same motorcycle but slowed down. For sure the > slowed-down version will not be as fast. Also german IT-newspaper c't > has made some comparisons when opteron64 and intel xeons with 64bit > went onto the market Their result was that the amd64 are faster than > the intel64. And surprisingly enough the amd64 in 32-bit mode where > almost as fast as in 64-bit mode while the intels where significantly > slower in 32-bit mode than in 64-bit mode... Hmm... I don't understand your point here. FYI: My message was to say the motorcycle but slowed down is actually faster some times. I am not native English speaker, so maybe it was not clear. The 64 bit extensions are documented on White Paper on AMD site; I think they are public, though I've obtained mine by other means (I've read them because I work right now as a driver and hardware engineer, at low level programming, in case you wonder). They are not to make your processor faster. Faster computing can be archived as a consequence, but it is not always the case. Even, I've read something from AMD people saying that 32bit mode is faster (and even recommended) for some tasks. Instead of trying to guess things, you should make tests (this is a mere suggestion, don't take it as a mandate or something...). I think you will be surprised, as I was. I was also thinking that new 64bit mode was always faster until did some tests. I've tested both AMD and Intel. That is the reason for being interested in hear some tests with audio apps. Yes, I *think* that multimedia software should be faster on 64bit, but real tests would be appreciated to confirm. Merely saying that it is faster because it should be does not make any sense to me, since I've seen sometimes it is not true. From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Wed Jul 12 14:04:56 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Petter_Sundl=F6f?=) Date: Wed Jul 12 14:05:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LS sources? Message-ID: <44B539C8.6080400@findus.dhs.org> Anyone know where I can acquire the most recent LS sources? The website is down, and the SF CVS match I found contained only "linuxsampler" (no libgig, liblscp, qsampler) and the file structure was odd. From _ at whats-your.name Wed Jul 12 14:20:54 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Wed Jul 12 14:21:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LS sources? In-Reply-To: <44B539C8.6080400@findus.dhs.org> References: <44B539C8.6080400@findus.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20060712182054.GD18183@replic.net> On Wed Jul 12, 2006 at 08:04:56PM +0200, Petter Sundl?f wrote: > Anyone know where I can acquire the most recent LS sources? The website is down, and the SF CVS match I found contained only "linuxsampler" (no > libgig, liblscp, qsampler) and the file structure was odd. eb `eq w linuxsampler` unpack >>> Downloading http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/linuxsampler-0.3.3.tar.bz2 eb `eq w qsampler` unpack >>> Downloading http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/qsampler-0.1.2.tar.gz eb `eq w libgig` unpack >>> Downloading http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/libgig-2.0.1.tar.bz2 eb `eq w liblscp` unpack >>> Downloading http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/liblscp-0.3.0.tar.gz did i mention portage ru0lz? let me say it again! From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jul 12 14:23:43 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jul 12 14:23:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LS sources? In-Reply-To: <20060712182054.GD18183@replic.net> References: <44B539C8.6080400@findus.dhs.org> <20060712182054.GD18183@replic.net> Message-ID: <1152728623.21909.159.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 18:20 +0000, carmen wrote: > did i mention portage ru0lz? let me say it again! > Please, don't give Gentoo specific answers to generic questions, it's very annoying. Lee From _ at whats-your.name Wed Jul 12 14:32:42 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Wed Jul 12 14:32:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LS sources? In-Reply-To: <1152728623.21909.159.camel@mindpipe> References: <44B539C8.6080400@findus.dhs.org> <20060712182054.GD18183@replic.net> <1152728623.21909.159.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060712183242.GE18183@replic.net> On Wed Jul 12, 2006 at 02:23:43PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 18:20 +0000, carmen wrote: > > did i mention portage ru0lz? let me say it again! > > > > Please, don't give Gentoo specific answers to generic questions, it's > very annoying. whenever gentoo applies patches, theyre put in the portage tree, rather than the source tarballs. so the answer shouldnt be gentoo specific :) > > Lee > From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 14:33:23 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Jul 12 14:33:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LS sources? In-Reply-To: <1152728623.21909.159.camel@mindpipe> References: <44B539C8.6080400@findus.dhs.org> <20060712182054.GD18183@replic.net> <1152728623.21909.159.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607121133u4276fc20j475fca70033f9e95@mail.gmail.com> On 7/12/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 18:20 +0000, carmen wrote: > > did i mention portage ru0lz? let me say it again! > > > > Please, don't give Gentoo specific answers to generic questions, it's > very annoying. > > Lee > > Lee, 'eb' is not Gentoo. I don't know where you got that idea. It's not on my box. If anyone has an interest ther are app notes out there for running portage on non-Gentoo systems which makes the Gentoo methodology more general. cheers, Mark From _ at whats-your.name Wed Jul 12 14:35:54 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Wed Jul 12 14:35:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LS sources? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607121133u4276fc20j475fca70033f9e95@mail.gmail.com> References: <44B539C8.6080400@findus.dhs.org> <20060712182054.GD18183@replic.net> <1152728623.21909.159.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607121133u4276fc20j475fca70033f9e95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060712183554.GF18183@replic.net> > 'eb' is not Gentoo. I don't know where you got that idea. It's not on my box. alias for ebuild. the linuxsampler-cvs ebuild, cant connect to cvs.linuxsampler.org. says the host does not exist.. From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Wed Jul 12 14:39:45 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Petter_Sundl=F6f?=) Date: Wed Jul 12 14:39:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LS sources? In-Reply-To: <20060712182054.GD18183@replic.net> References: <44B539C8.6080400@findus.dhs.org> <20060712182054.GD18183@replic.net> Message-ID: <44B541F1.5040104@findus.dhs.org> Thanks! carmen wrote: > On Wed Jul 12, 2006 at 08:04:56PM +0200, Petter Sundl?f wrote: >> Anyone know where I can acquire the most recent LS sources? The website is down, and the SF CVS match I found contained only "linuxsampler" (no >> libgig, liblscp, qsampler) and the file structure was odd. > > eb `eq w linuxsampler` unpack >>>> Downloading http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/linuxsampler-0.3.3.tar.bz2 > > eb `eq w qsampler` unpack >>>> Downloading http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/qsampler-0.1.2.tar.gz > > eb `eq w libgig` unpack >>>> Downloading http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/libgig-2.0.1.tar.bz2 > > eb `eq w liblscp` unpack >>>> Downloading http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo/distfiles/liblscp-0.3.0.tar.gz > > > did i mention portage ru0lz? let me say it again! > > From perodog at gmx.net Wed Jul 12 14:42:06 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Wed Jul 12 14:42:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LS sources? In-Reply-To: <44B539C8.6080400@findus.dhs.org> References: <44B539C8.6080400@findus.dhs.org> Message-ID: <44B5427E.4060309@gmx.net> Petter Sundl?f wrote: > Anyone know where I can acquire the most recent LS sources? The > website is down, and the SF CVS match I found contained only > "linuxsampler" (no libgig, liblscp, qsampler) and the file structure > was odd. > > hi, dont know what you are running on, but for debian i added this to sources.list: # QSampler and LinuxSampler (straight from their website) deb http://willem.engen.nl/debian/ sarge linuxsampler i think that was complete, cheers, doc From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 14:44:09 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Jul 12 14:44:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607121144l3940995ducee1f44d8710b8ff@mail.gmail.com> Dave, Very sorry for the late reply. I'm an ungrately lout for sure. ;-) On 7/11/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > The final pieces are coming together for the new iron here at Studio > Dave. I have two last questions (well, for now) : > > Is this a good selection for the hard disk: > > Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 ST3400633A 400 GB 7200 RPM 16MB cache > EIDE Ultra ATA100, new with Seagate warranty, $166 Being ATA100 it's not the fastest drive out there but 400GB is certainly nice storage. QUESTION: Are you going with a single drive or will there be separate system and audio drives? > > I'm considering trying a new distro. Gentoo and Ubuntu are > recommended, so I might look at them. However, my main question is: Do I > necessarily want to install a kernel for a 64-bit CPU ? IIUC I'm better > off running most Linux audio applications in 32-bit mode, which I > understand occurs seamlessly. But do I need to use a 32-bit kernel for > those apps, or do I need to install the 64-bit ? (Is that a dumb question?) OK, here goes the tough stuff. Gentoo is great. I run it on all my systems now. That said it is a STEEP learning curve and will likely take you 3-5 days to bring it up and get it to run Ardour for the first time if you've never done it before. I just rebuilt my son's machine - an AMD Athlon 2000+. It took the better part of two days before he could use it. NOTE: It is NOT that the Gentoo install is all that difficult. It just takes a lot of time to build everything. I do not use the new installer. I do it all by hand. Maybe the installer works and gets it done fast. I don't know. Anyway, be prepared for a long slog your first time through. In fact, if you have a junk machine sitting around I would STRONGLY recommend building Gentoo on it, getting it running, and then sending it back to the junk pile just to get the experience before you strt working on a machine you really care able, but that's just me. After Gentoo is built the big advantage is you never have to 'upgrade'. You just continually 'update' programs to keep the current. I have a couple of machines I haven't touched in 2 years now and they ae as up to date as anything you would build today on the same hardware. I like that but many people do not. Thee are issue with Gentoo, like slotting, that continue to frustrate me, but I think I'm not such an IT guy to be good at that. Hope this helps even a little. cheers, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 14:48:38 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Jul 12 14:48:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LS sources? In-Reply-To: <20060712183554.GF18183@replic.net> References: <44B539C8.6080400@findus.dhs.org> <20060712182054.GD18183@replic.net> <1152728623.21909.159.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607121133u4276fc20j475fca70033f9e95@mail.gmail.com> <20060712183554.GF18183@replic.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607121148n4f43b4c4u635e2691379fc304@mail.gmail.com> On 7/12/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > > 'eb' is not Gentoo. I don't know where you got that idea. It's not on my box. > > alias for ebuild. > > the linuxsampler-cvs ebuild, cant connect to cvs.linuxsampler.org. says the host does not exist.. > Humm....so maybe the developers of this non-GPL audio app have removed it and shut the server down? I don't run it anymore anyway. Sorry for the noise. Cheers, Mark From _ at whats-your.name Wed Jul 12 14:56:30 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Wed Jul 12 14:56:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607121144l3940995ducee1f44d8710b8ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607121144l3940995ducee1f44d8710b8ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060712185630.GG18183@replic.net> > NOTE: It is NOT that the Gentoo install is all that difficult. It just > takes a lot of time to build everything. on a recent cpu you can build xorg in about 25 minutes, including its ancillary libaries. add another 25 for firefox. and a couple for fluxbox. hardly 2 days.. > first time through. In fact, if you have a junk machine sitting around > I would STRONGLY recommend building Gentoo on it, getting it running, > and then sending it back to the junk pile but before that, equery list | xargs quickpkg. so you can use it as a PORTAGE_BINHOST so your next install will take 5 minutes instead of 50 ;) > After Gentoo is built the big advantage is you never have to > 'upgrade'. actually, you do. it mainly involves replacing a symlink to /etc/make.profile every 3 months, and hoping this doesnt break things badly :) if you are going from eg 2004.3 to 2005.1 (skipping 2005.0), i can guarantee you will probably have issues with your toolchain, eselect, or something..hopefully you dont get glibc/gcc errors that create a catch22 situation wrt building further updates..its happened to me, especially when updating to a multilib setup. the main reason i'd recommend gentoo is the proaudio overlay. im fairly sure nobody is even close to that amount of binary coverage on the binary distros.. From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Jul 12 15:04:27 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Jul 12 15:04:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LS sources? In-Reply-To: <1152728623.21909.159.camel@mindpipe> References: <44B539C8.6080400@findus.dhs.org> <20060712182054.GD18183@replic.net> <1152728623.21909.159.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060712190427.GA11703@slinkp.com> On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 02:23:43PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 18:20 +0000, carmen wrote: > > did i mention portage ru0lz? let me say it again! > > > > Please, don't give Gentoo specific answers to generic questions, it's > very annoying. Anyone can download those tarballs. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jul 12 15:06:39 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jul 12 15:06:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LS sources? In-Reply-To: <20060712190427.GA11703@slinkp.com> References: <44B539C8.6080400@findus.dhs.org> <20060712182054.GD18183@replic.net> <1152728623.21909.159.camel@mindpipe> <20060712190427.GA11703@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <1152731199.5145.0.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 15:04 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 02:23:43PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 18:20 +0000, carmen wrote: > > > did i mention portage ru0lz? let me say it again! > > > > > > > Please, don't give Gentoo specific answers to generic questions, it's > > very annoying. > > Anyone can download those tarballs. > Yes but talking about "eb `eq w linuxsampler` unpack" and "portage" is gibberish to a non-Gentoo user. Lee From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Wed Jul 12 15:06:51 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Petter_Sundl=F6f?=) Date: Wed Jul 12 15:07:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LS sources? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607121148n4f43b4c4u635e2691379fc304@mail.gmail.com> References: <44B539C8.6080400@findus.dhs.org> <20060712182054.GD18183@replic.net> <1152728623.21909.159.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607121133u4276fc20j475fca70033f9e95@mail.gmail.com> <20060712183554.GF18183@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0607121148n4f43b4c4u635e2691379fc304@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B5484B.4060304@findus.dhs.org> Mind pointing me to a substitute (i.e. can read GIG files and interface with ALSA/JACK MIDI)? Mark Knecht wrote: > On 7/12/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: >> > 'eb' is not Gentoo. I don't know where you got that idea. It's not >> on my box. >> >> alias for ebuild. >> >> the linuxsampler-cvs ebuild, cant connect to cvs.linuxsampler.org. >> says the host does not exist.. >> > > Humm....so maybe the developers of this non-GPL audio app have removed > it and shut the server down? > > I don't run it anymore anyway. > > Sorry for the noise. > > Cheers, > Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 15:08:05 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Jul 12 15:10:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <20060712185630.GG18183@replic.net> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607121144l3940995ducee1f44d8710b8ff@mail.gmail.com> <20060712185630.GG18183@replic.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607121208h70cbc716qa05c0d8712b43288@mail.gmail.com> On 7/12/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > > NOTE: It is NOT that the Gentoo install is all that difficult. It just > > takes a lot of time to build everything. > > on a recent cpu you can build xorg in about 25 minutes, including its ancillary libaries. add another 25 for firefox. and a couple for fluxbox. hardly 2 days.. Sure, and I can build fluxbox in about 10 minutes and X is up and running. What I really mean is to get everything set up and really going will, in my experience, take at least one full day and probably much more for folks that are unexperience. I was emerging xine, Gnome-light and some other big stuff. It takes time. Add to that process that you will almost certainly build one kernel to boot the machine, then an emerge world will pull in another one, or at least for an audio guy you'll want to add the pro-audio overlay and build a -rt kernel, and there is another hour gone by before you've rebooted and have it going. I admit that a big part of my 2-day process on my son's conversion was problems with getting ndiswrapper & wireless support working correctly. That was about 1/2 right there so subtract that from my previous numbers. Anyway, the point is, for Dave anyway, that a binary distro will be up and running in a couple of hours. Gentoo will take much more time, but I beleive you save huge amounts of time in the long run with Gentoo so I'm cool with that. Hey - no reason for us to argue here. We BOTH like Gentoo!! :) > > > first time through. In fact, if you have a junk machine sitting around > > I would STRONGLY recommend building Gentoo on it, getting it running, > > and then sending it back to the junk pile > > but before that, equery list | xargs quickpkg. so you can use it as a PORTAGE_BINHOST so your next install will take 5 minutes instead of 50 ;) Sounds like a good trick as long as the old junker isn't too noisy. > > > > After Gentoo is built the big advantage is you never have to > > 'upgrade'. > > actually, you do. it mainly involves replacing a symlink to /etc/make.profile every 3 months, and hoping this doesnt break things badly :) if you are going from eg 2004.3 to 2005.1 (skipping 2005.0), i can guarantee you will probably have issues with your toolchain, eselect, or something..hopefully you dont get glibc/gcc errors that create a catch22 situation wrt building further updates..its happened to me, especially when updating to a multilib setup. Yeah - I just consider that part of the update process, or even just maintainance process. It's far easier than doing the fc2->fc3->fc4-fc5 tango... > > the main reason i'd recommend gentoo is the proaudio overlay. im fairly sure nobody is even close to that amount of binary coverage on the binary distros.. > My main reason is that it has been, by far, the most stable distro I've run. I have 3 machines at my parents house. My dad is 78 (yes, I'm over 50!) and he's run Gentoo for nearly 3 years now with very few problems. (Mainly browsers and MythTV) My mom uses Gentoo now after getting sick of Windows pop ups. My wife loves it. My kid wants Windows (for Games) but too bad. The only windows boxen I have is in my studio so he comes in here to play a game once in awhile and I know he's not defocused in his bedroom playing games. Gentoo, and indeed all Linux ==== good. - Mark From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Jul 12 17:40:42 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed Jul 12 17:40:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: 64bit vs 32bit (was: Re: AMD64 question: update) In-Reply-To: <2def88b80607120920y39e43902u8ae1351c31f05bb3@mail.gmail.com> References: <53e0b1850607120804sb289b3cyae704ba02328c289@mail.gmail.com> <2def88b80607120920y39e43902u8ae1351c31f05bb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1152740442.17872.51.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 18:20 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: > 2006/7/12, Roberto Gordo Saez : > > I've made tests mainly on big server applications, I have not made > > tests on audio software, so I suggest everyone to dedicate some time > > testing your own apps. It is simple: make two partitions, one of them > > with a 32bit OS, and the other optimized for 64 bit. Do not use a > > chroot nor mixed environment (32bit libs on 64bit system), because the > > results can be slightly different. > > Okay, I don't have space (and time) for a second partition. And while > I understand that my testing might not be the optimum test, I think > your's isn't either: Because you compare fully using a 64bit system > with using a 64bit system in 32bit-mode. It is like comparing a big > motorcycle with the same motorcycle but slowed down. For sure the > slowed-down version will not be as fast. Also german IT-newspaper c't > has made some comparisons when opteron64 and intel xeons with 64bit > went onto the market Their result was that the amd64 are faster than > the intel64. And surprisingly enough the amd64 in 32-bit mode where > almost as fast as in 64-bit mode while the intels where significantly > slower in 32-bit mode than in 64-bit mode... > > I am thinking about some other test, as someone mentioned registers > and memory and stuff, which I think are good to recognise, but for the > "real" computing speed maybe a mathematical test would be better? A > test that wouldn't need lots of memory and lots of registers and > doesn't have lots of cache-misses? > Like computing pi to a certain number of relevant numbers? > > And, yes, I am comparing apples with oranges. But that was the > question at least here in the lab: Comparing single-turion64 with > double Xeon32. And guess what: On rather simple code, without special > SSE/MMX/etc optimisation, with the same compilerflags, the turion was > significantly faster. So, a single turion64 is faster than and double xoen32. That's all that the test says. It does not say "64 bit is faster than 32 bit". To answer that question to an approximation you would have to install the 32 bit version of the exact same distro that was running in the turion64 in the turion64 machine. Then run the test again. > So I would like to prove this observation by a good test. But > comparing a retarded 64bit system with a full 64bit system isn't the > solution. (Who would for example shut down half of the heating of his > toaster anyway?) If the performance advantage of 64bit mode over 32bit mode (in the same processor / distro version) is not big some users might prefer to stay in 32 bit mode simply because there is stuff that will not (yet) run in 64 bit mode. -- Fernando From rncbc at rncbc.org Wed Jul 12 17:53:38 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Wed Jul 12 17:54:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LS sources? In-Reply-To: <44B5427E.4060309@gmx.net> References: <44B539C8.6080400@findus.dhs.org> <44B5427E.4060309@gmx.net> Message-ID: <44B56F62.9040502@rncbc.org> > Petter Sundl?f wrote: >> Anyone know where I can acquire the most recent LS sources? The >> website is down, and the SF CVS match I found contained only >> "linuxsampler" (no libgig, liblscp, qsampler) and the file structure >> was odd. >> You can find something here, some personal RPMs for opensuse 10.1 OSS mostly. http://www.rncbc.org/ls/ Some tarballs can be unpacked from the provided SRPMs. Please note that those are not public GA releases; some are just my snapshots from CVS (timestamped). Take it at your own risk ;) Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From _ at whats-your.name Wed Jul 12 18:21:09 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Wed Jul 12 18:21:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: 64bit vs 32bit (was: Re: AMD64 question: update) In-Reply-To: <1152740442.17872.51.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <53e0b1850607120804sb289b3cyae704ba02328c289@mail.gmail.com> <2def88b80607120920y39e43902u8ae1351c31f05bb3@mail.gmail.com> <1152740442.17872.51.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20060712222109.GH18183@replic.net> > > So I would like to prove this observation by a good test. But > > comparing a retarded 64bit system with a full 64bit system isn't the > > solution. (Who would for example shut down half of the heating of his > > toaster anyway?) heres a test i did. compile glibc 2.3.6 (nptlonly) on 2 setups. athlon64/turion64, both single-core 2.0ghz connected via distcc over tcp over wifi. make -j4 time: 22 minutes macbook pro. 1.83ghz (32bit) dual-core. make -j3 time: 23 minutes seems like theres no real difference. except of course that if you run 64bit, you need to have your entire depchain down to glibc installed twice if you want to watch youtube or use PD :) From daneasley at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 18:24:00 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Wed Jul 12 18:24:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LS sources? In-Reply-To: <44B56F62.9040502@rncbc.org> References: <44B539C8.6080400@findus.dhs.org> <44B5427E.4060309@gmx.net> <44B56F62.9040502@rncbc.org> Message-ID: I've got some CVS tarballs from a month or so ago sitting on a box somewhere around here. Email me offlist if you'd like me to send them your way. > > Petter Sundl?f wrote: > >> Anyone know where I can acquire the most recent LS sources? The > >> website is down, and the SF CVS match I found contained only > >> "linuxsampler" (no libgig, liblscp, qsampler) and the file structure > >> was odd. -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From robert.jackson at student.manchester.ac.uk Wed Jul 12 18:48:54 2006 From: robert.jackson at student.manchester.ac.uk (Rob Jackson) Date: Wed Jul 12 18:49:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] S/PDIF capture with m-audio 2496 Message-ID: <44B57C56.4020100@student.manchester.ac.uk> Could anyone please give me a step-by-step guide to setting up my m-audio 2496 to capture from the S/PDIF? I am trying to record into either Audacity or Ardour, but cannot 'find' any sound. I can route data using Envy24Ctrl so that the digital mix bars on the L/H side are active, but cannot capture sound using applications. I'm guessing therefore that alsa is set up incorrectly. Using Audacity, under Edit->Preferences, only /dev/dsp is visible (I cannot select any other interface). Recording just produces a flat line. In Ardour (via jack), I cannot get anything to appear on the v/u bars despite selecting alsa_capture1 & 2. The interface works fine in winXP, so it's something I'm doing wrong. So, can anyone help me to get the sound from my interface to audio applications? Thanks, Rob Jackson From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Jul 12 19:00:07 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Jul 12 18:59:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] S/PDIF capture with m-audio 2496 In-Reply-To: <44B57C56.4020100@student.manchester.ac.uk> References: <44B57C56.4020100@student.manchester.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1152745207.13780.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 23:48 +0100, Rob Jackson wrote: > Could anyone please give me a step-by-step guide to setting up my > m-audio 2496 to capture from the S/PDIF? I am trying to record into > either Audacity or Ardour, but cannot 'find' any sound. i don't know this device well at all, but under ALSA it is almost certainly a separate subdevice from the main audio i/o. check the output of "aplay -l" ALSA represents most distinct i/o sections of an audio interface as its own subdevice, since its typically clocked independently of the rest of the card. From j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr Wed Jul 12 19:06:34 2006 From: j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr (joel silvestre) Date: Wed Jul 12 19:06:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] S/PDIF capture with m-audio 2496 In-Reply-To: <44B57C56.4020100@student.manchester.ac.uk> References: <44B57C56.4020100@student.manchester.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1152745594.4078.8.camel@zordi> Maybe you forget to select the SPDIF Master Clock in Envy24Ctrl Hardware Settings tab ? Actual Rate must show S/PDIF. Joel Le mercredi 12 juillet 2006 ? 23:48 +0100, Rob Jackson a ?crit : > Could anyone please give me a step-by-step guide to setting up my > m-audio 2496 to capture from the S/PDIF? I am trying to record into > either Audacity or Ardour, but cannot 'find' any sound. > > I can route data using Envy24Ctrl so that the digital mix bars on the > L/H side are active, but cannot capture sound using applications. I'm > guessing therefore that alsa is set up incorrectly. > > Using Audacity, under Edit->Preferences, only /dev/dsp is visible (I > cannot select any other interface). Recording just produces a flat line. > In Ardour (via jack), I cannot get anything to appear on the v/u bars > despite selecting alsa_capture1 & 2. > > The interface works fine in winXP, so it's something I'm doing wrong. > > So, can anyone help me to get the sound from my interface to audio > applications? > > Thanks, > Rob Jackson From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 19:55:53 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Jul 12 19:56:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Aqualung 0.9beta5 released In-Reply-To: <36050.127.0.0.1.1152701369.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> References: <44A4F47D.3010201@gmail.com> <20060708182605.GA9112@r51> <1152383543.28129.4.camel@mindpipe> <200607121004.22629.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <36050.127.0.0.1.1152701369.squirrel@sydb.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On 7/12/06, Michael Pacey wrote: > tim hall said: > > On Saturday 08 July 2006 19:32, Lee Revell was like: > >> > > Quick question: Can I choose to play *with* gaps as well? I like > >> gaps, > >> > > I'm used to them from my vinyl collection. > > Gapless playback simply amounts to playing your audio files in immediate > succession rather than having any pause while the player loads the next > file. If there are silences at the end of your files, representing > silences on your vinyl or CD between tracks, then they will be played as > silence. The onus is on whoever does the ripping to include the silence or > not. By the way, there are plenty of vinyl releases which do not have > gaps, for instance lots of Pink Floyd and other prog rock. > > > -- > Michael Pacey > > Quite a few vinyls i have no spaces, for instance desire by bob dylan. Loki From idragosani at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 21:23:21 2006 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett W. McCoy) Date: Wed Jul 12 21:24:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] S/PDIF capture with m-audio 2496 In-Reply-To: <44B57C56.4020100@student.manchester.ac.uk> References: <44B57C56.4020100@student.manchester.ac.uk> Message-ID: <18b65aac0607121823p3bda2cb6qd6780e1abef1765@mail.gmail.com> On 7/12/06, Rob Jackson wrote: > Using Audacity, under Edit->Preferences, only /dev/dsp is visible (I > cannot select any other interface). Recording just produces a flat line. > In Ardour (via jack), I cannot get anything to appear on the v/u bars > despite selecting alsa_capture1 & 2. If I recall, the digital input signals are not on 1 & 2 (those are analog), try some of the other inputs (might be 3 & 4). It's been a while since I've used the 2496... Also make sure you've got your master clock set right (for SP/DIF, not the A/D sampling rate) -- Brett -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From ljc at internet.com.uy Wed Jul 12 22:11:24 2006 From: ljc at internet.com.uy (luis jure) Date: Wed Jul 12 22:14:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] S/PDIF capture with m-audio 2496 In-Reply-To: <44B57C56.4020100@student.manchester.ac.uk> References: <44B57C56.4020100@student.manchester.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20060712231124.1c530b91@acme.acmenet> El Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:48:54 +0100 Rob Jackson escribi?: > Could anyone please give me a step-by-step guide to setting up my > m-audio 2496 to capture from the S/PDIF? I am trying to record into > either Audacity or Ardour, but cannot 'find' any sound. it took me hours of googling, and i finally found this. i don't know if it's the only or the best method, or if it'll work for you, but it did for me. 1) i put this on my .asoundrc: pcm.ice_spdif { type plug ttable.0.8 1 ttable.1.9 1 slave.pcm { type hw card 0 device 0 } } 2) then try ecasound -i alsa,ice_spdif -o alsa,plughw:0 to monitor your spdif inputs from the analog outputs, or ecasound -i alsa,ice_spdif -o test.wav to record to a file 3) remember to set the clock input to spdif from envy24control ->Hardware settings->Master clock->S/PDIF In From cezar at mixandgo.ro Thu Jul 13 04:48:38 2006 From: cezar at mixandgo.ro (cezar@mixandgo.ro) Date: Thu Jul 13 04:49:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface Message-ID: <87ejwplwk9.fsf@mixandgo.ro> Hello, Any ideea if Multiface II is suported ? I see that Multiface is suported by alsa, but nothing about Multiface II Regards, Cezar From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Jul 13 07:00:29 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Jul 13 07:00:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <44B50F18.80402@poeticstudios.com> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <200607121052.48747.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <44B50F18.80402@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <200607131200.29770.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 12 July 2006 16:02, Cesare Marilungo was like: > tim hall wrote: > >Really I'm yearning for analog synths, I have fond memories of playing > > with MS10s, SH101s and my old Pro1 and the kind of resonant filter sweeps > > that are possible with analog filters. Is the sound I am looking for > > simply not possible digitally? Would anyone with the appropriate skills > > consider modelling VCS3 or Prophet filters in software? The closest > > application is probably Alsa Modular Synth for what I want (as I'd like > > to be able to filter samples too), but it does appear to have > > limitations. I shall persevere, obviously. > > I still own (and use) a Korg MS20. I had an MS10 also, but sold it two > years ago to pay some bills :-) . I'm not a DSP expert but what makes > these synths unique were their unpredictability and their lack of > precision. An analog circuit like that is sensible to temperature, > humidity. The difference between a real analog synth and a soft synth is > much like the difference between a tape recorder and a digital recorder. > We're used to the sound of the first kind, a sound that is determined by > the intrinsic limitations of that technology. It's not just that we're used to the analog sound, there is a definite psycho-acoustic difference. IMO. > If we reproduce or store our performance in bits anyway, there's no > difference between a well programmed soft synth and a real analog apart > from the fact that the first one sound (and has been designed to sound) > too perfect. > > Isn't, again, a matter of introducing a bit of randomicity (if this is > the correct term)? It is possible to simulate oscillator drift et al., sure, but it is difficult to get good clean sine tones in the upper ranges digitally. I saw / heard some nice external boxes at the Sounds Expo, I don't remember the manufacturer offhand (I will look it up). They did a nice Prophet and Moog style synth, both digitally modelled, so I know it is possible. When I have a bit of spare cash I will probably get one of these - I have to say I also like the MS2000, which is in a similar price range. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From arnold.krille at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 07:01:50 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Thu Jul 13 07:01:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: 64bit vs 32bit (was: Re: AMD64 question: update) In-Reply-To: <20060712222109.GH18183@replic.net> References: <53e0b1850607120804sb289b3cyae704ba02328c289@mail.gmail.com> <2def88b80607120920y39e43902u8ae1351c31f05bb3@mail.gmail.com> <1152740442.17872.51.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060712222109.GH18183@replic.net> Message-ID: <2def88b80607130401i148347fetfa980b17007b8be9@mail.gmail.com> Just a short note, since I notice that i don't really know much about processor-internals to make deeper comments on "64bit vs 32bit" anymore... 2006/7/13, carmen <_@whats-your.name>: > seems like theres no real difference. except of course that if you run > 64bit, you need to have your entire depchain down to glibc installed twice > if you want to watch youtube or use PD :) PD runs in native 64bit mode just fine on my turion64 with gentoo. And for every proprietary app, that needs 32bits, gentoo has the right environment available and installs it via emerge without you doing anything... The last time an (audio) app didn't compile in 64bit was specimen (back then when it was activly developed), I wrote a report to the author and a day later it was running (basicly compilation stopped because of -Werror and a warning about casting a pointer to an int of different size). I even marked some 32bit apps as stable for 64bit on my system. So in my point the argument "some things don't (yet) run on 64bit" doesn't count a cent. :-) Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Jul 13 08:41:09 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Jul 13 08:40:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface In-Reply-To: <87ejwplwk9.fsf@mixandgo.ro> References: <87ejwplwk9.fsf@mixandgo.ro> Message-ID: <1152794469.13780.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 11:48 +0300, cezar@mixandgo.ro wrote: > Hello, > > Any ideea if Multiface II is suported ? > I see that Multiface is suported by alsa, but nothing about Multiface II all published accounts suggest that It Just Works. There are some new (minor) features that are not supported by the current driver (such as software-controlled sample clock varispeed). From chris at mccormick.cx Thu Jul 13 09:12:05 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Thu Jul 13 09:20:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <44B50F18.80402@poeticstudios.com> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <44AE5FD8.5020405@poeticstudios.com> <1152282185.18514.34.camel@groovious> <200607121052.48747.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <44B50F18.80402@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <20060713131205.GH25089@mccormick.cx> On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 03:02:48PM +0000, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > Isn't, again, a matter of introducing a bit of randomicity (if this is > the correct term)? The problem is that the idea of just adding a "bit of randomicity" is that "randomness" is always a matter of glossing over complexity, chaos, and non-linearity with a simple function which generally does not behave in the same way as the original system. There is nothing truly random in this universe, except at the quantum level, and we are not even 100% sure of that. Outside that there is only a glossing over of detail and calling it random. So adding random simulated heat fluctuations to the virtual components of a soft synth is not going to make it sound more like an actual analogue synth unless you have done a very heavy statistical analysis of the original system and come up with an equation for your soft synth that does approximate the mathematical properties of the original system closely. Most of the time though we all just call the rand() function (or whatever is available to you in your particular environment), which always yeilds the same statistical bell curve "feel" - in my opinion this is insufficient to make a soft synth sound analogue, or a drum machine sound like a person. (That said, I'm guilty of doing this in my own music all the time because I enjoy the robot like aesthetic of machine generated pseudo randomness). Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From _ at whats-your.name Thu Jul 13 13:45:39 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Jul 13 13:45:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: 64bit vs 32bit (was: Re: AMD64 question: update) In-Reply-To: <2def88b80607130401i148347fetfa980b17007b8be9@mail.gmail.com> References: <53e0b1850607120804sb289b3cyae704ba02328c289@mail.gmail.com> <2def88b80607120920y39e43902u8ae1351c31f05bb3@mail.gmail.com> <1152740442.17872.51.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060712222109.GH18183@replic.net> <2def88b80607130401i148347fetfa980b17007b8be9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060713174539.GE31504@replic.net> > PD runs in native 64bit mode just fine on my turion64 with gentoo. you clearly didnt use it. besides launch it and say 'oh, it runs fine'. i guess it is possible to use despite all the math errors and without the ability to store and recall audio in RAM. but i dont consider that usable. > So in my point the argument "some things don't (yet) run on 64bit" > doesn't count a cent. :-) i gues PD, SC, and Chuck dont count a cent in your world. despite their 'free' status. i place some value on them :) From nescivi at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 14:07:37 2006 From: nescivi at gmail.com (Marije Baalman) Date: Thu Jul 13 14:08:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: 64bit vs 32bit (was: Re: AMD64 question: update) In-Reply-To: <20060713174539.GE31504@replic.net> References: <53e0b1850607120804sb289b3cyae704ba02328c289@mail.gmail.com> <2def88b80607120920y39e43902u8ae1351c31f05bb3@mail.gmail.com> <1152740442.17872.51.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060712222109.GH18183@replic.net> <2def88b80607130401i148347fetfa980b17007b8be9@mail.gmail.com> <20060713174539.GE31504@replic.net> Message-ID: <44B68BE9.7040109@gmail.com> Hi, carmen wrote: > i gues PD, SC, and Chuck dont count a cent in your world. despite their 'free' status. i place some value on them :) > > Are you sure SC doesn't run on 64bit yet? The server in any case does, and I do believe Stefan Kersten has been working on getting the lang to work too... Not sure whether that came to an end, though... sincerely, Marije From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Thu Jul 13 14:43:47 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Thu Jul 13 14:43:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: S/PDIF capture with m-audio 2496 In-Reply-To: <20060713110210.57947223C7AE@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060713110210.57947223C7AE@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: > Rob Jackson wrote: >> Could anyone please give me a step-by-step guide to setting up my >> m-audio 2496 to capture from the S/PDIF? I am trying to record into >> either Audacity or Ardour, but cannot 'find' any sound. As far as I can see, there are no routing possibilities for input S/PDIF on an m-audio 2496 using the envy24control. For output, you can route any channel to s/pdif in hardware using that program. So what you have to do, is to use channel 9 and 10 instead, which I guess is hardwired to s/pdif in. (Maybe you could also mess around with .asoundrc, a third option is to hack the snd-ice1712 driver) From link at sumerianbabyl.com Thu Jul 13 15:27:06 2006 From: link at sumerianbabyl.com (Link Swanson) Date: Thu Jul 13 15:27:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface In-Reply-To: <87ejwplwk9.fsf@mixandgo.ro> References: <87ejwplwk9.fsf@mixandgo.ro> Message-ID: <20674.12.175.230.37.1152818826.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> Mine works perfectly with CCRMA/FC5 Jack/Ardour/JAMin Link On Thu, July 13, 2006 3:48 am, cezar@mixandgo.ro wrote: > Hello, > > Any ideea if Multiface II is suported ? > I see that Multiface is suported by alsa, but nothing about Multiface II > > Regards, > Cezar > > -- e-mail is . . . From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Jul 13 16:03:08 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Jul 13 16:03:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> References: <20060628130608.GB7322@charly.SWORD> <44A2B3BD.9000003@boosthardware.com> <20060629090844.GA7376@charly.SWORD> <44A39D48.1090003@boosthardware.com> <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 02:14:04AM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > Sky could work and have an added touch of photo reality which is always > good. I have some original shots from various plane windows which might > be useful. But it is quite obvious so if we can think of a better way > to express it then it would be good. It's already a bit problematic to get nice but small file-size JPGs of this. So I don't want to add complexity in the background. Changed the background colour and lots of other things: http://affenbande.org/~thorwil/wordpress/2006/07/13/laulinuxaudioorgfaq-8/ I have just been told that my picture implies linux audio would be a confusing maze. Wonder if I should go back to plain ellipses, or something? -- Thorsten Wilms From arnold.krille at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 16:16:44 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Thu Jul 13 16:16:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: 64bit vs 32bit (was: Re: AMD64 question: update) In-Reply-To: <20060713174539.GE31504@replic.net> References: <53e0b1850607120804sb289b3cyae704ba02328c289@mail.gmail.com> <2def88b80607120920y39e43902u8ae1351c31f05bb3@mail.gmail.com> <1152740442.17872.51.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060712222109.GH18183@replic.net> <2def88b80607130401i148347fetfa980b17007b8be9@mail.gmail.com> <20060713174539.GE31504@replic.net> Message-ID: <2def88b80607131316h1b62c5bfl63af30d01be7902a@mail.gmail.com> 2006/7/13, carmen <_@whats-your.name>: > > PD runs in native 64bit mode just fine on my turion64 with gentoo. > you clearly didnt use it. besides launch it and say 'oh, it runs fine'. Well, I don't claim to be a second Frank Barknecht. I do just some simple synthesis and midi-sequencing with it. And that runs fine so far... > i gues PD, SC, and Chuck dont count a cent in your world. despite their > 'free' status. i place some value on them :) Hmm, PD counts more than a cent in my world. But in comparison to ardour and all the other small tools to record and produce real music(*), I don't need (and use) PD that much. But as far as I use it, it works... So long, Arnold, quiting this thread, promised! (*) Thats my very personal opinion, if you like and make electronic music more than me, than don't get offended by my position. -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From denisfalqueto at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 17:05:56 2006 From: denisfalqueto at gmail.com (Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto) Date: Thu Jul 13 17:06:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> References: <20060628130608.GB7322@charly.SWORD> <20060629090844.GA7376@charly.SWORD> <44A39D48.1090003@boosthardware.com> <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: >http://affenbande.org/~thorwil/wordpress/2006/07/13/laulinuxaudioorgfaq-8/ Very beautifull. A piece of art, without a doubt. The level of detail is amazing! > I have just been told that my picture implies linux audio would be > a confusing maze. Wonder if I should go back to plain ellipses, or > something? Hmm, I don't think so. Maybe for that person audio on linux may have been a confusing maze and she is letting this drive his mind. Of course, sometimes all us have some bad times with linux... but we can't use that to say what others' experience will be. I think that this level of care shows that there are talented people behind the site and just encourages the users to go ahead and try. I think it is very inspiring. Of corse, it's not because of a logo that one decides to use audio on linux, but it shows that there are people who cares about it. A little naive, but that is what I think. I didn't say nothing about the logos until now, but all they were great. Each one better than the next. -- ------------------------------------------- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto ------------------------------------------- From daneasley at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 17:10:45 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Thu Jul 13 17:10:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: References: <20060628130608.GB7322@charly.SWORD> <44A39D48.1090003@boosthardware.com> <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: On 7/13/06, Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto wrote: > >http://affenbande.org/~thorwil/wordpress/2006/07/13/laulinuxaudioorgfaq-8/ > > Very beautifull. A piece of art, without a doubt. The level of detail > is amazing! > > > I have just been told that my picture implies linux audio would be > > a confusing maze. Wonder if I should go back to plain ellipses, or > > something? > > Hmm, I don't think so. Maybe for that person audio on linux may have > been a confusing maze and she is letting this drive his mind. Of > course, sometimes all us have some bad times with linux... but we > can't use that to say what others' experience will be. Actually, I think it looks like a very pleasant maze - much like a hedge maze. :) -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From b0ef at esben-stien.name Thu Jul 13 19:18:59 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu Jul 13 17:25:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface In-Reply-To: <87ejwplwk9.fsf@mixandgo.ro> (cezar@mixandgo.ro's message of "Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:48:38 +0300") References: <87ejwplwk9.fsf@mixandgo.ro> Message-ID: <87veq19jq4.fsf@esben-stien.name> cezar@mixandgo.ro writes: > Any ideea if Multiface II is suported ? Yes, it's supported (technically very much the same as the origianl Multiface), but I'll consider the following: This device requires exclusive access and if you're a die hard JACK user, you'll have problems. This means that you cannot use ALSA/OSS while you're using JACK; which is of course all the time. The support for JACK in ALSA, gstreamer, portaudio, etc, is not satisfactory. ALSA is apparently not advanced enough to handle this device, so that's also a bugger, meaning you have to use a GUI only mixer. It is to some degree possible to control it with alsa commands, but not satisfactory. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 17:41:41 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Jul 13 17:41:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface In-Reply-To: <87veq19jq4.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <87ejwplwk9.fsf@mixandgo.ro> <87veq19jq4.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <70a871c80607131441t4baa57een1f0c620825131232@mail.gmail.com> On 7/14/06, Esben Stien wrote: > This device requires exclusive access and if you're a die hard JACK > user, you'll have problems. This means that you cannot use ALSA/OSS > while you're using JACK; which is of course all the time. The support > for JACK in ALSA, gstreamer, portaudio, etc, is not satisfactory. > > ALSA is apparently not advanced enough to handle this device, so > that's also a bugger, meaning you have to use a GUI only mixer. It is > to some degree possible to control it with alsa commands, but not > satisfactory. Aha, I have a lot useful to write when I'll buy my Multiface II (September, I hope) :) Good, joss will not be alone. Dmitry. P.S. if you are interested, http://www.konstruktiv.org/joss/ From perodog at gmx.net Thu Jul 13 19:10:36 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Thu Jul 13 19:10:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture V0.3.1, das_watchdog V0.2.2 and Mammut V0.22 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44B6D2EC.3010705@gmx.net> yepp, compiles and runs just good. thanks a lot, this is one more of that linux-like command line tools, which are just so useful. cheers, doc Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ > > > jack_capture > ************************************************************************* > jack_capture is a small program to capture whatever sound is going out > to your speakers into a file without having to patch jack connections, > fiddle around with fileformats, or set options on the argument line. > > This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no > one made. So here it is. > > Changes 0.2.4 -> 0.3.1: > ----------------------- > *Reduced CPU usage a lot because of better disk handling. (25% -> 1%) > *Make sure the rest of the recorded file is not garbage in case of an > overrun. > *Added the port argument, which can be specified many times and accepts > both input and output port names (including regexp expressions). This > makes jack_capture to completely replace jackrec. > *Rewrote buffer handling. Silence is now inserted when underruns occure. > Previously, the file became shorter than the recording in case of > underrun. It can still happen though, but much more seldom, and a > warning about that will be printed to the terminal. > *Last rests of jackrec code has been rewritten. Well, all the code with > substance, at least. > *Nicified code a lot. > *More efficient way of handling overruns. > *Fixed really stupid compilation error. Thanks to Dragan Noveski for > spotting it. > > > > > das_watchdog > ************************************************************************* > Whenever a program locks up the machine, das_watchdog will temporarily > sets all realtime process to non-realtime for 8 seconds. You will get > an xmessage window up on the screen whenever that happens. > > Changes 0.2.2->0.2.3 > -------------------- > *Fixed commandline arguments for increasetime, checktime and waittime. > *Nicified source a bit > > > > > Mammut > ************************************************************************* > Mammut will FFT your sound in one single gigantic analysis (no windows). > These spectral data, where the development in time is incorporated in > mysterious ways, may then be transformed by different algorithms prior to > resynthesis. An interesting aspect of Mammut is its completely > non-intuitive sound transformation approach. > > Changes 0.21->0.22 > ------------------ > *Added patch and instructions from Owen Green on how to make mammut > compile on OSX. Thanks! (Sorry, I forgot to release this version for > almost a year...) > > > From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 19:24:03 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Jul 13 19:24:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <200607121052.48747.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <44AE5FD8.5020405@poeticstudios.com> <1152282185.18514.34.camel@groovious> <200607121052.48747.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: On 7/12/06, tim hall wrote: > On Friday 07 July 2006 15:23, John Anderson was like: > > ONe of the things that I find somewhat grating about certain soundfonts > > is that the vibrato on strings is always exactly the same. Some way to > > give that some variation would also be nice. > > Absolutely. The range and shape of the variations could be programmed into > the > instrument definition and linked to a spare MIDI controller. I can forsee us > deprecating MIDI in favour of something like OSC for serious work, > eventually. Obviously the format will have to remain negotiable for > backwards > compatibility reasons, but by and large I find MIDI and soundfonts so > horrendously limited as to be only really useful for demos. I'd like to see > proper microtonal support in all sound-producing applications, currently > only > ZynAddSubFX handles this nicely. For me 12Tet@A=440Hz always sounds out of > tune. YMMV. Not being a confident programmer I'm finding Csound, > supercollider and even Pd et al., rather complicated to get into and I have > taxi'd up the runway many times, great for experimenting, but I haven't made > the time to learn how to produce quality results - I suspect most ordinary > musicians won't either. In general, I'm finding the process of creating new > instrument sounds to be less straightforward than I would like it to be, be > that editing soundfonts, csound orchestras, ZynAddSubFX patches or whatever. > Really I'm yearning for analog synths, I have fond memories of playing with > MS10s, SH101s and my old Pro1 and the kind of resonant filter sweeps that > are > possible with analog filters. Is the sound I am looking for simply not > possible digitally? Would anyone with the appropriate skills consider > modelling VCS3 or Prophet filters in software? The closest application is > probably Alsa Modular Synth for what I want (as I'd like to be able to > filter > samples too), but it does appear to have limitations. I shall persevere, > obviously. > -- > cheers, ARRG you used the bad words!!!! AMS? I prefer a program that has a release in the last 2 years, i find it edging to impossible to do anything useful in AMS at all. Get the svn version of om/ingen http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/ You can do a lot of nice analog style stuff with it. Many of the smack patches are analog style. Loki From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 19:41:30 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Jul 13 19:41:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <44AE5FD8.5020405@poeticstudios.com> <1152282185.18514.34.camel@groovious> <200607121052.48747.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <44B6DA2A.1000806@gmail.com> Loki Davison wrote: > ARRG you used the bad words!!!! AMS? I agree that AMS is buggy, and that om in many ways are better. But I must admit that I found AMS even more fun/easy to work with than om. Esp if you stick to the build-in modules in AMS, the modules work together really smoothly. I know that defect, no-common-conventions, generic interfaces LADSPA plugins isn't om's fault, but it's still part of the user-experience. But of course the buggyness and fact that it's unmaintained makes AMS totally unusable for me too. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From dvenable6 at cox.net Fri Jul 14 01:05:51 2006 From: dvenable6 at cox.net (Devin Venable) Date: Fri Jul 14 01:04:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] zombified jackd tascam us-122 In-Reply-To: <20060712123646.GA19852@thor.chicagoguitar.com> References: <1152674224.4961.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060712123646.GA19852@thor.chicagoguitar.com> Message-ID: <1152853551.5099.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > Audio has never worked well with the us-122 on my box. When it does > > work, the sound is clippy/choppy. This happens even before jack makes > > I'm running 64 bit Ubuntu Dapper, dual core processor, NVIDIA nForce 4 > > chipset based K8N Neo4 motherboard > > > You never did tell us your jack version. I get good sound out of my > tascam us-122. I run it with 512 frames/period sample rate 44100 and > period buffer = 2. > > For that device you need jack .100 or higher. I was using jackd (0.100.0-4) before I gave up and bought a M-Audio FireWire Solo, which was yesterday. One complicated situation abandoned...on to another. I'm now building jackd 0.101.0, which has the freebob support I'll need to get the FireWire Solo going. Once I get the newer jackd rolling I plan to give the us-122 another try. I googled like hell on the us-122 problems (choppy audio), and found a few others who also experienced it. It wasn't an overrun problem; I was running jack with few xruns with settings similar to yours. I read about a amd dual core timing bug that was fixed (at some point) in jack. Perhaps that was my issue. From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Fri Jul 14 01:41:42 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Fri Jul 14 01:43:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> References: <20060628130608.GB7322@charly.SWORD> <44A2B3BD.9000003@boosthardware.com> <20060629090844.GA7376@charly.SWORD> <44A39D48.1090003@boosthardware.com> <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <44B72E96.2050109@boosthardware.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > Changed the background colour and lots of other things: > http://affenbande.org/~thorwil/wordpress/2006/07/13/laulinuxaudioorgfaq-8/ > That's looking very slick now. > I have just been told that my picture implies linux audio would be > a confusing maze. Wonder if I should go back to plain ellipses, or > something? > Personally it doesn't bother me and it's also pretty true in many cases. I'm proud of the fact that I can navigate the maze and if someone new to the system has any illusions that it will be easy to use Linux Audio software they have been mislead. In much the same way that a bedroom DJ is unlikely to get a multiplatinum single. It takes hard work and skill to get to the top for the majority of people (of course a minority use looks or bribery but that's a different story... I would like to see your ideas for incorporating the site layout into the design. Great Stuff!!! Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From t_w_ at freenet.de Fri Jul 14 04:04:27 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Fri Jul 14 04:04:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: References: <20060629090844.GA7376@charly.SWORD> <44A39D48.1090003@boosthardware.com> <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060714080427.GA7409@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 06:05:56PM -0300, Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto wrote: > >http://affenbande.org/~thorwil/wordpress/2006/07/13/laulinuxaudioorgfaq-8/ > > Very beautifull. A piece of art, without a doubt. The level of detail > is amazing! Most pleased to hear, thank you :) > I think that this level of care shows that there are talented people > behind the site and just encourages the users to go ahead and try. I > think it is very inspiring. Of corse, it's not because of a logo that > one decides to use audio on linux, but it shows that there are people > who cares about it. A little naive, but that is what I think. It's part of the idea :) -- Thorsten Wilms From t_w_ at freenet.de Fri Jul 14 04:12:04 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Fri Jul 14 04:12:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <44B72E96.2050109@boosthardware.com> References: <20060629090844.GA7376@charly.SWORD> <44A39D48.1090003@boosthardware.com> <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> <44B72E96.2050109@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060714081204.GB7409@charly.SWORD> On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 12:41:42PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >http://affenbande.org/~thorwil/wordpress/2006/07/13/laulinuxaudioorgfaq-8/ > > > > That's looking very slick now. Thanks! > >I have just been told that my picture implies linux audio would be > >a confusing maze. Wonder if I should go back to plain ellipses, or > >something? > > > > Personally it doesn't bother me and it's also pretty true in many cases. > I'm proud of the fact that I can navigate the maze and if someone new > to the system has any illusions that it will be easy to use Linux Audio > software they have been mislead. In much the same way that a bedroom DJ > is unlikely to get a multiplatinum single. It takes hard work and skill > to get to the top for the majority of people (of course a minority use > looks or bribery but that's a different story... Cool. Yes, implying it's easy would be a lying, indicating complexity is honest. It just bothered me because it isn't what I meant. I started with the ellipses as naive audio wave visualisation, just to give depth to the picture. The cut-outs and bridges are meant to give it a shamanic techno look, I didn't have a maze in mind at all :) Ok, so it will stay as is. > I would like to see your ideas for incorporating the site layout into > the design. Hey, one thing at a time ;) -- Thorsten Wilms From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Jul 14 08:20:55 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Jul 14 08:21:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ALSA MIDI Humanizer v0.0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <44AD9FDD.20009@poeticstudios.com> <200607121052.48747.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <200607141320.56115.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 14 July 2006 00:24, Loki Davison was like: > ARRG you used the bad words!!!! AMS? Oh do grow up. It's a Linux Audio app and its developers deserve respect for their efforts. > I prefer a program that has a > release in the last 2 years, i find it edging to impossible to do > anything useful in ?AMS at all. Agreed, however AMS isn't the only application with these problems, or by any means the worst. > Get the svn version of om/ingen > http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/ ?You can do a lot of nice analog style > stuff with it. I look forward to playing with om just as soon as someone produces a .deb for it. I know I'm perfectly capable of doing so myself from source, however I don't have time or headspace for that right now. I will be happy if om can do this relatively simply. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com Fri Jul 14 08:46:24 2006 From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Fri Jul 14 08:46:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANNOUNCE: Rosegarden 1.2.4 released Message-ID: <200607141346.24930.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> ROSEGARDEN 1.2.4 RELEASED Miscellaneous locations -- Bastille day, 2006 The Rosegarden team are pleased to announce the release of version 1.2.4 of Rosegarden, an audio and MIDI sequencer and musical notation editor for Linux. http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ The 1.2.4 release addresses several issues with the prior 1.2.3 feature release. 1.2.4 introduces no new application features. Fixes in this release include, briefly: * Avoid crash on startup if /dev/snd/seq does not exist * Fix incorrect sequencer status report ("no driver") * Fix MIDI Text Marker export * Fix text encoding for Lilypond 2.6 (UTF8 instead of ISO-8859-1) * Fix stuck notes in matrix after pressing a stop button * Fix crash when erasing a duplicated key signature * Fix crash when switching documents with a tempo editor window open * Fix incorrect sorting and insertion logic in marker editor * Fix hang in main canvas when a segment has zero duration * Fix audio preview display for repeating audio segments * Update percussion matrix when a different drum mapping is selected * Avoid crash when deleting a device with percussion matrix open * Fix matrix display for notes outside range of current key mapping * Ensure correct segment is acted on when clicking overlapping segments * Fix sequencer crash when playing back tiny audio files * Avoid display hang when too many segments overlap * Fix several build system bugs, and compilation with gcc-4.1.2 This release also includes several new MIDI device definition (.rgd) files, as well as updates for Catalan, Russian, Swedish, Czech and Italian translations, and a completely new Finnish translation from Heikki Johannes Junes. Special thanks go to Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas for preparing the release. For more information about Rosegarden and what it can do for you, please see http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ Rosegarden is Free Software under the GNU General Public License. From torbenh at gmx.de Fri Jul 14 10:19:10 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Fri Jul 14 10:20:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] netjack-0.12 - Low Latency Network Audio Driver Message-ID: <20060714141909.GA7913@mobilat> hi. netjack-0.12 is released. Netjack is a jack-driver which uses the network card. On the other end of the network there is a normal jack-client. So its possible, to share a single soundcard between several laptops. This release finally handles the packet disordering UDP does. Thus high channel counts can now be achieved. However a 24ch in/out link over 100Mbit gave me a major "net xrun" storm on vanilla 2.6.15 kernel. At a roundtrip latency of 2.9ms that is. It was reliable with 5.8ms. 16 channels gave me some "net xruns", which i could not hear though. i expect this performance to increase when using an rt-kernel with the network-irq set to rt-prio. So please report back. Additionally to the audio transport, netjack provides sample accurate transport syncronisation. The roundtrip latency is compensated for. get it while its hot at: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=140191 there is no link on http://netjack.sf.net because the project shell servers are down. -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From ardour at semiosix.com Fri Jul 14 14:30:22 2006 From: ardour at semiosix.com (John Anderson) Date: Fri Jul 14 14:30:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Quiet case - P180B Message-ID: <1152901823.10048.19.camel@groovious> I just bought an Antec P180B case. Very nicely put together. Much quieter than before, although some fan noise still escapes from the top and back vents. I covered the top vent with the breakout box from the EWS88MT. That works quite well. It's big, and heavy. Not the kind of thing you want to be taking to a gig. I can still hear the hard drives when they're working, but just barely. The noisiest component in there was the chipset fan, which I've unplugged - motherboard temp is sitting at 34 C so it's a cool case as well. Now it's the CPU fan, the servers-in-progress in the room next door, the Alesis monitor amp which does the 50Hz Tango, and the ringing in my ears. Hmm. Maybe some good earplugs will fix that :-| My keyboard sounds more clackety than before as well. Which is good, I guess. I still think the fanless Zalman TNN cases are the ultimate (from the website Note : TNN500A's noise level is below 20dB and cannot be measured. The anechoic room used by ZALMAN has an ambient noise level of 20dB. ). But waaaay expensive. bye John From t_w_ at freenet.de Fri Jul 14 15:35:13 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Fri Jul 14 15:35:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <44B72E96.2050109@boosthardware.com> References: <20060629090844.GA7376@charly.SWORD> <44A39D48.1090003@boosthardware.com> <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> <44B72E96.2050109@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060714193513.GC7409@charly.SWORD> On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 12:41:42PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > I would like to see your ideas for incorporating the site layout into > the design. http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/lau-wiki_06_i.png Dang, my eyes are tired now :) -- Thorsten Wilms From steve at hassard.net Fri Jul 14 16:09:07 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Fri Jul 14 16:09:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Quiet case - P180B In-Reply-To: <1152901823.10048.19.camel@groovious> References: <1152901823.10048.19.camel@groovious> Message-ID: <44B7F9E3.30206@hassard.net> John Anderson wrote: > I just bought an Antec P180B case. Very nicely put together. Much > quieter than before, although some fan noise still escapes from the top > and back vents. I covered the top vent with the breakout box from the > EWS88MT. That works quite well. I've heard good things about the Antec P150/Solo cases: http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=18500 http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=81500 They're pretty much the same thing less a bundled power supply and different colour. They include a rubber band suspension system for your hard drive, and don't have the top vent. It might be worth a look if you're in the market for a new case .. later, Steve From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Fri Jul 14 19:14:47 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Fri Jul 14 19:09:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] She's not a human being ("in your face-mix") Message-ID: <44B82567.6060006@kolumbus.fi> Just finishing my new tune: www.emvg.net/esa/shesnotahumanbeing.ogg and here's a copy from my blog from MySpace: My new song should have been a love song for my wife. Unfortunately she annoyed me for now forgotten reason (once again) and I wrote a song for our cat. Of course the lyrics in the chorus: "she's not a human being, she doesn't like Jeff Lynne, she's hairy all over the place" could be a perfect insult for my wife! This song has been recorded in many sessions, first ones many months ago in our bedroom. Drums were made with absolutely great software Hydrogen and I played the bass & few guitars through Behringer Tube Ultragain MIC200 -preamp/di and added some distortion & simulated cab "feel" with great CAPS plugins. Keyboards were played with Yamaha PSR-273 which was brought by Santa Claus for my kids. They are still wondering where the hell their keyboards are. The keyboard solo inspired heavily by Rick Wakeman was played through MIDI & astounding soft synth, ALSA Modular Synth. Right now I have fell in love with Bristol, another open source soft synth for Linux. Then some guitars were played with Behringer V-Tone Guitar GDI21 - a cheap but great sounding modelling preamp/DI. And then there were the vocals. I did millions of takes and it sounded everytime like shit. Finally decided to add "some" tube distortion from MIC200, and now I am mostly happy with it. I noticed too that mastering and mixing the whole damn thing should be done by professionals. I am on my holiday, sun in shining, sixpacks of cold beer is calling for my name and I sweat in my garage studio for trying to make my song sound like Green Day's Boulevard of Broken Dreams. Well, I didn't manage to do that. The mix you hear is in-your-face mix, with everything cranked up so that you can say bye bye for dynamics. But I am proud for the song, and want you to know that all of this wouldn't been possible without: Linux & Mandriva Linux 2006 Jack (jackit.sf.net) Ardour Alsa Modular Synth Hydrogen Audacity Jamin LADSPA plugins like TAP, CAPS and some more red wine Fosters Wojak Okocim Burgen Pils Grafen Walder Carlsberg bratwurst potato salad mushrooms (for eating, you fools!) and here's the lyrics (I know, they are bad - but purposely) She came to my life one august day and didn't like the songs I played She ran and runs away from me Far far away to maple tree She's not a human being She doesn't like Jeff Lynne She's hairy all over the place It's not a pretty thing to watch you eat those poor little birds and their raw meat -- ----------------------- http://www.emvg.net/esa http://www.emvg.net ----------------------- From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Jul 14 19:25:03 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Jul 14 19:25:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] She's not a human being ("in your face-mix") In-Reply-To: <44B82567.6060006@kolumbus.fi> References: <44B82567.6060006@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <20060714232503.GQ9439@fitz.Belkin> My socks are considerably rocked. I love the twiddly break in the middle, the lyrics, the way you sing like you're taking it all very seriously, eveything! Thanks! On Sat, 15 Jul, 2006 at 02:14AM +0300, Esa Linna spake thus: > Just finishing my new tune: > www.emvg.net/esa/shesnotahumanbeing.ogg > > and here's a copy from my blog from MySpace: > > My new song should have been a love song for my wife. > Unfortunately she > annoyed me for now forgotten reason (once again) and I wrote > a song for > our cat. Of course the lyrics in the chorus: "she's not a > human being, > she doesn't like Jeff Lynne, she's hairy all over the place" > could be a > perfect insult for my wife! > > This song has been recorded in many sessions, first ones > many months ago > in our bedroom. Drums were made with absolutely great > software Hydrogen > and I played the bass & few guitars through Behringer Tube > Ultragain > MIC200 -preamp/di and added some distortion & simulated cab > "feel" with > great CAPS plugins. Keyboards were played with Yamaha > PSR-273 which was > brought by Santa Claus for my kids. They are still wondering > where the > hell their keyboards are. The keyboard solo inspired heavily > by Rick > Wakeman was played through MIDI & astounding soft synth, > ALSA Modular > Synth. Right now I have fell in love with Bristol, another > open source > soft synth for Linux. > > Then some guitars were played with Behringer V-Tone Guitar > GDI21 - a > cheap but great sounding modelling preamp/DI. And then there > were the > vocals. I did millions of takes and it sounded everytime > like shit. > Finally decided to add "some" tube distortion from MIC200, > and now I am > mostly happy with it. > > I noticed too that mastering and mixing the whole damn thing > should be > done by professionals. I am on my holiday, sun in shining, > sixpacks of > cold beer is calling for my name and I sweat in my garage > studio for > trying to make my song sound like Green Day's Boulevard of > Broken > Dreams. Well, I didn't manage to do that. > > The mix you hear is in-your-face mix, with everything > cranked up so that > you can say bye bye for dynamics. But I am proud for the > song, and want > you to know that all of this wouldn't been possible without: > > Linux & Mandriva Linux 2006 > Jack (jackit.sf.net) > Ardour > Alsa Modular Synth > Hydrogen > Audacity > Jamin > LADSPA plugins like TAP, CAPS and some more > red wine > Fosters > Wojak > Okocim > Burgen Pils > Grafen Walder > Carlsberg > bratwurst > potato salad > mushrooms (for eating, you fools!) > > > and here's the lyrics (I know, they are bad - but purposely) > > She came to my life one august day > and didn't like the songs I played > She ran and runs away from me > Far far away to maple tree > > She's not a human being > She doesn't like Jeff Lynne > She's hairy all over the place > > It's not a pretty thing to watch you eat > those poor little birds and their raw meat > From listreader at lupulin.net Fri Jul 14 20:15:49 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Fri Jul 14 20:10:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] She's not a human being ("in your face-mix") In-Reply-To: <44B82567.6060006@kolumbus.fi> References: <44B82567.6060006@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <44B833B5.6060905@lupulin.net> Esa Linna wrote: > Just finishing my new tune: > www.emvg.net/esa/shesnotahumanbeing.ogg > > > Awesome, I love it! I always like the combination of melancholy and silly. -- paul w From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Fri Jul 14 21:47:34 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Fri Jul 14 21:47:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Quiet case - P180B In-Reply-To: <1152901823.10048.19.camel@groovious> References: <1152901823.10048.19.camel@groovious> Message-ID: <1152928054.10223.21.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 20:30 +0200, John Anderson wrote: > I just bought an Antec P180B case. Very nicely put together. Much > quieter than before, although some fan noise still escapes from the top > and back vents. I covered the top vent with the breakout box from the > EWS88MT. That works quite well. > > It's big, and heavy. Not the kind of thing you want to be taking to a > gig. I can still hear the hard drives when they're working, but just > barely. The noisiest component in there was the chipset fan, which I've > unplugged - motherboard temp is sitting at 34 C so it's a cool case as > well. Now it's the CPU fan, the servers-in-progress in the room next > door, the Alesis monitor amp which does the 50Hz Tango, and the ringing > in my ears. Hmm. Maybe some good earplugs will fix that :-| > > My keyboard sounds more clackety than before as well. Which is good, I > guess. > > I still think the fanless Zalman TNN cases are the ultimate (from the > website Note : TNN500A's noise level is below 20dB and cannot be > measured. The anechoic room used by ZALMAN has an ambient noise level of > 20dB. ). But waaaay expensive. Yup. The latest batch of machines I built for CCRMA live in those cases. A beauty... it is great to be near a cluster of them and hear nothing. -- Fernando From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Fri Jul 14 23:22:41 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Fri Jul 14 23:23:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060714193513.GC7409@charly.SWORD> References: <20060629090844.GA7376@charly.SWORD> <44A39D48.1090003@boosthardware.com> <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> <44B72E96.2050109@boosthardware.com> <20060714193513.GC7409@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <44B85F81.7010606@boosthardware.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 12:41:42PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> I would like to see your ideas for incorporating the site layout into >> the design. > > http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/lau-wiki_06_i.png > > Dang, my eyes are tired now :) > Mmmm. Nice color coordination. Isn't it a pity that MSIE users don't get to see transparency in all it's glory... Not! I'll start integrating it today. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From groups at xscd.com Sat Jul 15 01:34:40 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Sat Jul 15 01:34:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060714193513.GC7409@charly.SWORD> References: <44A39D48.1090003@boosthardware.com> <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> <44B72E96.2050109@boosthardware.com> <20060714193513.GC7409@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060715053440.GA2812@xscd.com> On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 09:35:13PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/lau-wiki_06_i.png That's beautiful Thorsten. Outstanding design. ;-) Steve D -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- There is no monument dedicated to the memory of a committee. -Lester J. Pourciau ---------------------------------------------------------------- From ardour at semiosix.com Sat Jul 15 02:36:50 2006 From: ardour at semiosix.com (John Anderson) Date: Sat Jul 15 02:37:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060714193513.GC7409@charly.SWORD> References: <20060629090844.GA7376@charly.SWORD> <44A39D48.1090003@boosthardware.com> <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> <44B72E96.2050109@boosthardware.com> <20060714193513.GC7409@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <1152945410.10050.23.camel@groovious> On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 21:35 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 12:41:42PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > > > I would like to see your ideas for incorporating the site layout into > > the design. > > http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/lau-wiki_06_i.png > > Dang, my eyes are tired now :) Hey, that's cool. And here I was thinking that penguins came out of eggs, like other birds ;-) bye John From ardour at semiosix.com Sat Jul 15 02:41:15 2006 From: ardour at semiosix.com (John Anderson) Date: Sat Jul 15 02:41:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Quiet case In-Reply-To: <1152928054.10223.21.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <1152901823.10048.19.camel@groovious> <1152928054.10223.21.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1152945675.10048.27.camel@groovious> On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 18:47 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 20:30 +0200, John Anderson wrote: > > I still think the fanless Zalman TNN cases are the ultimate (from the > > website Note : TNN500A's noise level is below 20dB and cannot be > > measured. The anechoic room used by ZALMAN has an ambient noise level of > > 20dB. ). But waaaay expensive. > > Yup. The latest batch of machines I built for CCRMA live in those cases. > A beauty... it is great to be near a cluster of them and hear nothing. Working with them, is there anything that you've found that doesn't live up to the information on the Zalman site? bye John From ardour at semiosix.com Sat Jul 15 02:43:33 2006 From: ardour at semiosix.com (John Anderson) Date: Sat Jul 15 02:43:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] She's not a human being ("in your face-mix") In-Reply-To: <44B82567.6060006@kolumbus.fi> References: <44B82567.6060006@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <1152945814.10049.30.camel@groovious> On Sat, 2006-07-15 at 02:14 +0300, Esa Linna wrote: > Just finishing my new tune: > www.emvg.net/esa/shesnotahumanbeing.ogg I finished listening to it about 5 minutes ago, and the chorus is now stuck in my head. bye John From _ at whats-your.name Sat Jul 15 02:56:17 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sat Jul 15 02:56:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Quiet case In-Reply-To: <1152945675.10048.27.camel@groovious> References: <1152901823.10048.19.camel@groovious> <1152928054.10223.21.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1152945675.10048.27.camel@groovious> Message-ID: <20060715065617.GI31504@replic.net> > Working with them, is there anything that you've found that doesn't live > up to the information on the Zalman site? after listening to sound clips of the Zalman 4'33" i can say its nice in theory, but silly in practice. you can buy a metal-cased laptop for $1000, put it on a metal table. and the fan wont even come on since the case and the table itself are giant sinks. i usualy set my laptop on the radiator (in the summer) when i want the fan to shut up.. likewise, sitting in an auditorium, listening to people cough (or hard drives seek) and paying for the privelege seems absurd my 3 shekels > > bye > John > > From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Jul 15 04:12:44 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Jul 15 04:12:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <44B85F81.7010606@boosthardware.com> References: <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> <44B72E96.2050109@boosthardware.com> <20060714193513.GC7409@charly.SWORD> <44B85F81.7010606@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060715081244.GA7282@charly.SWORD> On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 10:22:41AM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/lau-wiki_06_i.png > > > Mmmm. Nice color coordination. Isn't it a pity that MSIE users don't get > to see transparency in all it's glory... Not! > > I'll start integrating it today. Cool. It might be possible to implement the transparency effect by using a whitened out version of the background image. Besides having another 50kb+ file to load, I have no idea wether IE can handle those aspects of CSS, though. Thanks to Steve and John. Well, the speaker is kinda half-egg-shaped, isn't it? :) -- Thorsten Wilms From j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr Sat Jul 15 04:19:44 2006 From: j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr (joel silvestre) Date: Sat Jul 15 04:19:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel core-duo cpu and realtime patches Message-ID: <1152951584.4078.99.camel@zordi> Hi all, I have a brand new T2400 core duo laptop and some problems... SMP realtime patched kernel hangs at kernel boot. I first try FC5/PlanetCCRMA with 2.6.16-1 out of box kernel. Both SMP rrt and rdt doesn't boot, non SMP versions works flawlessly. Then I try to compile 2.6.16 with rt26 patch and 2.6.17-rt7 on Ubuntu 6.06 with the same results. SMP hangs, UP works well. Non realtime patched SMP kernel works nice. Does anyone experience the same? Maybe (I hope!) I made a mistake somewhere? joel From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 04:21:22 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Jul 15 04:21:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060715081244.GA7282@charly.SWORD> References: <20060629094923.GB7376@charly.SWORD> <44A3C709.7060908@boosthardware.com> <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> <44B72E96.2050109@boosthardware.com> <20060714193513.GC7409@charly.SWORD> <44B85F81.7010606@boosthardware.com> <20060715081244.GA7282@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <44B8A582.8040807@gmail.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Besides having another > 50kb+ file to load, I have no idea wether IE can handle those aspects > of CSS, though. If you mean something like http://anagrammer.dk it can... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Jul 15 04:35:41 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Jul 15 04:35:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <44B8A582.8040807@gmail.com> References: <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> <44B72E96.2050109@boosthardware.com> <20060714193513.GC7409@charly.SWORD> <44B85F81.7010606@boosthardware.com> <20060715081244.GA7282@charly.SWORD> <44B8A582.8040807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060715083512.GB7282@charly.SWORD> On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 10:21:22AM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > If you mean something like http://anagrammer.dk it can... That's what I meant, yes. Cool, so it's not _that_ bad! ;) Thanks. -- Thorsten Wilms From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 04:56:59 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Jul 15 04:57:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060715083512.GB7282@charly.SWORD> References: <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> <44B72E96.2050109@boosthardware.com> <20060714193513.GC7409@charly.SWORD> <44B85F81.7010606@boosthardware.com> <20060715081244.GA7282@charly.SWORD> <44B8A582.8040807@gmail.com> <20060715083512.GB7282@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <44B8ADDB.1070707@gmail.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > That's what I meant, yes. Cool, so it's not _that_ bad! ;) > Thanks. I only tested on latest IE under ME (all I have access to at work), but I suspect recent IE's on different win flavors would behave similar... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sat Jul 15 05:36:50 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sat Jul 15 05:38:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060715083512.GB7282@charly.SWORD> References: <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> <44B72E96.2050109@boosthardware.com> <20060714193513.GC7409@charly.SWORD> <44B85F81.7010606@boosthardware.com> <20060715081244.GA7282@charly.SWORD> <44B8A582.8040807@gmail.com> <20060715083512.GB7282@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <44B8B732.3000001@boosthardware.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 10:21:22AM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: >> If you mean something like http://anagrammer.dk it can... > > That's what I meant, yes. Cool, so it's not _that_ bad! ;) > Thanks. > Hi, I haven't bothered with the opaque images for ie nut you can see the current version online now... http://lau/linuxaudio.org/faq/ msie looks kindof bad but (linux) firefox looks good to me. Although I'm sure there are things I've missed as I whipped it up pretty quick... Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 06:13:01 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Jul 15 06:13:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <44B8B732.3000001@boosthardware.com> References: <20060710133216.GA7280@charly.SWORD> <44B273A6.5060006@boosthardware.com> <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> <44B72E96.2050109@boosthardware.com> <20060714193513.GC7409@charly.SWORD> <44B85F81.7010606@boosthardware.com> <20060715081244.GA7282@charly.SWORD> <44B8A582.8040807@gmail.com> <20060715083512.GB7282@charly.SWORD> <44B8B732.3000001@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44B8BFAD.6050702@gmail.com> Patrick Shirkey wrote: > msie looks kindof bad but (linux) firefox looks good to me. Although I'm > sure there are things I've missed as I whipped it up pretty quick... I see no transparency. Is the what you expected (http://atte.dk/download/lau.png) or did I misunderstand something? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Jul 15 06:18:50 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Jul 15 06:19:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <44B8B732.3000001@boosthardware.com> References: <20060710174816.GC7280@charly.SWORD> <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> <44B72E96.2050109@boosthardware.com> <20060714193513.GC7409@charly.SWORD> <44B85F81.7010606@boosthardware.com> <20060715081244.GA7282@charly.SWORD> <44B8A582.8040807@gmail.com> <20060715083512.GB7282@charly.SWORD> <44B8B732.3000001@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060715101850.GC7282@charly.SWORD> On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 04:36:50PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > I haven't bothered with the opaque images for ie nut you can see the > current version online now... > > http://lau/linuxaudio.org/faq/ > > msie looks kindof bad but (linux) firefox looks good to me. Although I'm > sure there are things I've missed as I whipped it up pretty quick... Looks like a good start :) - The head should extend all the way up, no gap. Alternatively, both the head and navigation boxes should have the same margin top/left. - The head box has no borders. - The "Linux Audio User Wiki" (or similar) caption is missing. - The orange is a bit pale. It's meant to be #ff9900. - The label "Search:" in front of the entry is missing. - I dropped the Search button from my mockup, since I didn't see the difference. If there's one, it should be pointed out on the search page it leads to. - The page links (Article ...) should be in one box, no gaps. The current should have thicker border inwards, not outwards (might be tricky). Finaly the whole box should be right aligned. - I wrote Article, Toolbox and so on with capitalisation, which looks better imho. But no problem to ge with the media-wiki default. - The nav boxes have single colour frames, not the 3 colours I used for a subtle 3d effect (ffffff, c3e2e5, a0a0b5, but feel free to tweak them). - It should be one nav box, with the captions inside. Alternatively, 3 boxes would be ok, but the captions should still be inside. - Weird things happen if you lower the width of the browser window (Firefox). - All the headlines with [edit] should perhaps be underlined. Or the [edit] should follow right after the text, not right aligned. - The background should be fixed, not scroll. -- Thorsten Wilms From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Jul 15 06:20:48 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Jul 15 06:21:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <44B8BFAD.6050702@gmail.com> References: <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> <44B72E96.2050109@boosthardware.com> <20060714193513.GC7409@charly.SWORD> <44B85F81.7010606@boosthardware.com> <20060715081244.GA7282@charly.SWORD> <44B8A582.8040807@gmail.com> <20060715083512.GB7282@charly.SWORD> <44B8B732.3000001@boosthardware.com> <44B8BFAD.6050702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060715102048.GD7282@charly.SWORD> On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 12:13:01PM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > I see no transparency. Is the what you expected > (http://atte.dk/download/lau.png) or did I misunderstand something? http://lau/linuxaudio.org/faq/ will lead to interesting sites, depending on browser defaults. http://lau.linuxaudio.org/faq/ is better ;) -- Thorsten Wilms From mprims at skynet.be Sat Jul 15 07:02:18 2006 From: mprims at skynet.be (mik) Date: Sat Jul 15 07:02:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel core-duo cpu and realtime patches In-Reply-To: <1152951584.4078.99.camel@zordi> References: <1152951584.4078.99.camel@zordi> Message-ID: <44B8CB3A.9060006@skynet.be> Hi You should use an amd64 kernel for dual core processors, i think, not an SMP one. m joel silvestre schreef: > Hi all, > > I have a brand new T2400 core duo laptop and some problems... > > SMP realtime patched kernel hangs at kernel boot. > > I first try FC5/PlanetCCRMA with 2.6.16-1 out of box kernel. Both SMP > rrt and rdt doesn't boot, non SMP versions works flawlessly. > > Then I try to compile 2.6.16 with rt26 patch and 2.6.17-rt7 on Ubuntu > 6.06 with the same results. SMP hangs, UP works well. > > Non realtime patched SMP kernel works nice. > > Does anyone experience the same? > > Maybe (I hope!) I made a mistake somewhere? > > > joel > > > -- http://www.mprims.net From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 07:26:08 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Jul 15 07:26:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060715102048.GD7282@charly.SWORD> References: <44B2A6FC.2040103@boosthardware.com> <20060713200308.GA7320@charly.SWORD> <44B72E96.2050109@boosthardware.com> <20060714193513.GC7409@charly.SWORD> <44B85F81.7010606@boosthardware.com> <20060715081244.GA7282@charly.SWORD> <44B8A582.8040807@gmail.com> <20060715083512.GB7282@charly.SWORD> <44B8B732.3000001@boosthardware.com> <44B8BFAD.6050702@gmail.com> <20060715102048.GD7282@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <44B8D0D0.9050204@gmail.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > http://lau.linuxaudio.org/faq/ > is better ;) indeed! very nice! -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From dsbaikov at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 07:28:47 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Sat Jul 15 07:28:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel core-duo cpu and realtime patches In-Reply-To: <44B8CB3A.9060006@skynet.be> References: <1152951584.4078.99.camel@zordi> <44B8CB3A.9060006@skynet.be> Message-ID: <70a871c80607150428q79319e67ya0f44df6570eb8ec@mail.gmail.com> > You should use an amd64 kernel for dual core processors, i think, not an > SMP one. 2x32 != 64 ;) Does mobile Core Duo have emt64? > > Non realtime patched SMP kernel works nice. rt-kernel has heavily reworked irq handling and seems to have issues with acpi and laptops. On my laptop (acer 3004wtmi, Sonoma 2ghz), rt-kernels boots, but harddrive crawls. Passing acpi=off to kernel solves this, but makes nearly all devices use 2 or 3 interrupts (bad). Try turning acpi off in rt-kernel. You'll loose battery info, but it may boot at least. Dmitry. From mprims at skynet.be Sat Jul 15 07:48:47 2006 From: mprims at skynet.be (mik) Date: Sat Jul 15 07:49:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel core-duo cpu and realtime patches In-Reply-To: <70a871c80607150428q79319e67ya0f44df6570eb8ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <1152951584.4078.99.camel@zordi> <44B8CB3A.9060006@skynet.be> <70a871c80607150428q79319e67ya0f44df6570eb8ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B8D61F.4090804@skynet.be> Dmitry Baikov schreef: >> You should use an amd64 kernel for dual core processors, i think, not an >> SMP one. > 2x32 != 64 ;) > Does mobile Core Duo have emt64? > oh, sorry. i thought it would be the same as with the pentium d, which apparently isn't the case. m -- http://www.mprims.net From dvenable6 at cox.net Sat Jul 15 11:22:48 2006 From: dvenable6 at cox.net (Devin Venable) Date: Sat Jul 15 11:21:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] running freebob enabled jackd with M-Audio FireWire Solo Message-ID: <1152976968.5566.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> I hope this isn't considered a cross-post, as I've already posted something similar to freebob-dev. But I think I may be beyond compile/install issues and on to basic user issues. I've managed to get freebob enabled jackd to build and run on my system, Ubunto Dapper 64bit version. I can run the daemon, but can't seem to get any jack clients to connect to it. When I run jackd, I see this EXCITING output: sudo jackd -v -R -P70 -dfreebob -r48000 -p512 -n2 getting driver descriptor from /usr/local/lib64/jack/jack_alsa.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/local/lib64/jack/jack_dummy.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/local/lib64/jack/jack_oss.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/local/lib64/jack/jack_freebob.so jackd 0.102.20 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. server `default' registered loading driver .. registered builtin port type 32 bit float mono audio registered builtin port type 8 bit raw midi clock source = system clock via gettimeofday new client: freebob_pcm, id = 1 type 1 @ 0x5290e0 fd = -1 Freebob using Firewire port 0, node -1 new buffer size 512 showDevice: not implemented FreeBoB MSG: Streaming thread running with Realtime scheduling, priority 74 FreeBoB MSG: Registering capture port dev1c_SpdifIn L FreeBoB MSG: Registering capture port dev1c_SpdifIn R FreeBoB MSG: Registering capture port dev1c_LineIn L FreeBoB MSG: Registering capture port dev1c_LineIn R FreeBoB MSG: Registering playback port dev1p_SpdifOut L FreeBoB MSG: Registering playback port dev1p_SpdifOut R FreeBoB MSG: Registering playback port dev1p_LineOut L FreeBoB MSG: Registering playback port dev1p_LineOut R FreeBoB MSG: MIDI threads running with Realtime scheduling, priority 73 registered port freebob_pcm:dev1c_SpdifIn L, offset = 2048 registered port freebob_pcm:dev1c_SpdifIn R, offset = 4096 registered port freebob_pcm:dev1c_LineIn L, offset = 6144 registered port freebob_pcm:dev1c_LineIn R, offset = 8192 registered port freebob_pcm:dev1p_SpdifOut L, offset = 0 registered port freebob_pcm:dev1p_SpdifOut R, offset = 0 registered port freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut L, offset = 0 registered port freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut R, offset = 0 ++ jack_rechain_graph(): client freebob_pcm: internal client, execution_order=0. -- jack_rechain_graph() FreeBoB MSG: MIDI queue thread started libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 0. You may need to manually set the channel on the receiving node. libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 1. You may need to manually set the channel on the transmitting node. 3712 waiting for signals load = 0.1078 max usecs: 23.000, spare = 10643.000 load = 0.2086 max usecs: 33.000, spare = 10633.000 ... But when I run a client like mplayer, I get: sudo mplayer -ao jack Mojave_3_-_Bluebird_Of_Happiness_ \(Ulrich_Schnauss_Mix\).mp3 MPlayer 2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team CPU: Advanced Micro Devices Athlon 64 Newcastle; Athlon 64 X2 Manchester (Family: 15, Stepping: 1) CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 1 3DNow2: 1 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1 Compiled with runtime CPU detection. ... ========================================================================== Opening audio decoder: [mp3lib] MPEG layer-2, layer-3 AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 160.0 kbit/11.34% (ratio: 20000->176400) Selected audio codec: [mp3] afm: mp3lib (mp3lib MPEG layer-2, layer-3) ========================================================================== Building audio filter chain for 44100Hz/2ch/s16le -> 0Hz/0ch/??... Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. Audio: no sound Video: no video Or when I run Hydrogen, I get: sudo hydrogen Warning: no locale found: /usr/share/hydrogen/data/i18n/hydrogen.en_US.UTF-8 Hydrogen 0.9.2 [Apr 8 2006] [http://www.hydrogen-music.org] Copyright 2002-2005 Alessandro Cominu Compiled modules: (FLAC) (Jack) (Alsa) (OSS) (LRDF) Hydrogen comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions. See the file COPYING for details Using data path: /usr/share/hydrogen/data [LadspaFX::getPluginList] reading directory: /usr/lib/ladspa [LadspaFX::getPluginList] reading directory: /usr/local/lib/ladspa [LadspaFX::getPluginList] directory /usr/local/lib/ladspa not found [LadspaFX::getLadspaFXGroup] [LadspaFX::getPluginList] reading directory: /usr/lib/ladspa [LadspaFX::getPluginList] reading directory: /usr/local/lib/ladspa [LadspaFX::getPluginList] directory /usr/local/lib/ladspa not found [WARNING] JackDriver Jack server not running? [ERROR] Hydrogen [audioEngine_startAudioDrivers] Error starting audio driver [audioDriver::init()] [ERROR] Hydrogen [audioEngine_startAudioDrivers] Error starting audio driver [ERROR] Hydrogen [audioEngine_startAudioDrivers] Using the NULL output audio driver [ERROR] Hydrogen [audioEngine_startAudioDrivers] m_pMainBuffer_L == NULL [ERROR] Hydrogen [audioEngine_startAudioDrivers] m_pMainBuffer_R == NULL [ERROR] Hydrogen [audioEngine_setupLadspaFX] nBufferSize=0 [ERROR] NullDriver [setBpm] not implemented yet [ERROR] AlsaMidiDriver [getPortinfo] Midi port qjackctl not found --- I noticed the line: Compiled modules: (FLAC) (Jack) (Alsa) (OSS) (LRDF) I didn't think I would have to recompile programs that use the jack daemon. Am I wrong? Devin From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jul 15 11:49:34 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jul 15 11:49:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] running freebob enabled jackd with M-Audio FireWire Solo In-Reply-To: <1152976968.5566.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1152976968.5566.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1152978575.16617.9.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-07-15 at 10:22 -0500, Devin Venable wrote: > I hope this isn't considered a cross-post, as I've already posted > something similar to freebob-dev. But I think I may be beyond > compile/install issues and on to basic user issues. > > I've managed to get freebob enabled jackd to build and run on my system, > Ubunto Dapper 64bit version. I can run the daemon, but can't seem to > get any jack clients to connect to it. > > > When I run jackd, I see this EXCITING output: > > sudo jackd -v -R -P70 -dfreebob -r48000 -p512 -n2 Why are you running with sudo? Dapper allows non-root users to run realtime tasks. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jul 15 11:58:32 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jul 15 11:58:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] running freebob enabled jackd with M-Audio FireWire Solo In-Reply-To: <1152976968.5566.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1152976968.5566.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1152979112.16617.11.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-07-15 at 10:22 -0500, Devin Venable wrote: > I didn't think I would have to recompile programs that use the jack > daemon. Am I wrong? Yes, if those apps were build against an old version of JACK then they need to be recompiled. Lee From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 12:59:29 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Sat Jul 15 12:59:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <44B8D0D0.9050204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002001c6a830$09d41b70$3402a8c0@64BitBadass> Very nice work! FWIW, there is inconsistency between the left-hand menu framing and the "title" table frame. Namely, the menu has a light gray line while title doesn't. Perhaps adjusting the two would bring about more consistency? Best wishes, Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Atte Andr? Jensen > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 7:26 AM > To: t_w_@freenet.de; A list for linux audio users > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI > > Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > http://lau.linuxaudio.org/faq/ > > is better ;) > > indeed! very nice! > > -- > peace, love & harmony > Atte > > http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk > http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From dvenable6 at cox.net Sat Jul 15 13:37:25 2006 From: dvenable6 at cox.net (Devin Venable) Date: Sat Jul 15 13:36:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] running freebob enabled jackd with M-Audio FireWire Solo In-Reply-To: <1152978575.16617.9.camel@mindpipe> References: <1152976968.5566.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152978575.16617.9.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1152985045.5566.76.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > sudo jackd -v -R -P70 -dfreebob -r48000 -p512 -n2 > > Why are you running with sudo? Dapper allows non-root users to run > realtime tasks. > > Lee > When I run jack without sudo, I get this: jackd -R -d freebob -p128 jackd 0.102.20 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. Freebob using Firewire port 0, node -1 Ieee1394Service::initialize: Could not get 1394 handle: Permission denied Is ieee1394 and raw1394 driver loaded? Fatal (devicemanager.cpp)[68] initialize: Could not initialize Ieee1349Service object Fatal (freebob.cpp)[69] freebob_new_handle: Could not initialize device manager FreeBoB ERR: FREEBOB: Error creating virtual device cannot load driver module freebob Segmentation fault I guess I have a permissions problem of some sort. When I was running a packaged jack, I was able to run as non-root. Can you advise? Devin From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Jul 15 17:29:44 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Jul 15 17:27:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] website clean-up Message-ID: <20060715222944.4db01e4e@localhost> I've done a bit more work on this and it all looks and works a bit better now I think. I know there are still issues with right clicking on some links. Bear with me, I'm working on it! There are also a couple of new tunes, and a few have both ogg and mp3 versions. As usual: http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org Hmmm, maybe I actually got it right this time :) -- Will J G From downerczx at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 19:14:46 2006 From: downerczx at yahoo.com (DCZX) Date: Sat Jul 15 19:14:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FreeAmp2 VST Plugin Message-ID: <20060715231446.48044.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There's an amazing free VST plugin of amp modelling at: http://www.frettedsynth.com/ unfortunately, I haven't gotten it to work in FST or DSSI-VST. Anybody want to try it and see if they can get it to work? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From _ at whats-your.name Sat Jul 15 20:09:32 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sat Jul 15 20:26:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FreeAmp2 VST Plugin In-Reply-To: <20060715231446.48044.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060715231446.48044.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060716000932.GJ31504@replic.net> On Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 04:14:46PM -0700, DCZX wrote: > There's an amazing free VST plugin doesnt sound very free to me.. requires 50 euro of your time at the minimum to fiddle with finding the right VST SDK and wine version, getting things compiled/configged and then finding out if the plugin even runs. ever wonder why 90% of VST plugins are free but NONE come with source (and thats not including the ones made with SynthEdit)? smartelectronix, DFX, Tweakbenc, simulanalog are all like that. im not sure if they just figure nobody wants the source, or if theyre afraid steinborg is going to steal it and theyll have no way of proving it? someone needs to whip those bastages into shape.. From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Sat Jul 15 23:50:41 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Sat Jul 15 23:51:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Quiet case In-Reply-To: <1152945675.10048.27.camel@groovious> References: <1152901823.10048.19.camel@groovious> <1152928054.10223.21.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1152945675.10048.27.camel@groovious> Message-ID: <1153021841.6545.25.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Sat, 2006-07-15 at 08:41 +0200, John Anderson wrote: > On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 18:47 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 20:30 +0200, John Anderson wrote: > > > I still think the fanless Zalman TNN cases are the ultimate (from the > > > website Note : TNN500A's noise level is below 20dB and cannot be > > > measured. The anechoic room used by ZALMAN has an ambient noise level of > > > 20dB. ). But waaaay expensive. > > > > Yup. The latest batch of machines I built for CCRMA live in those cases. > > A beauty... it is great to be near a cluster of them and hear nothing. > > Working with them, is there anything that you've found that doesn't live > up to the information on the Zalman site? Not that I remember (but then I don't remember much about their specs right now), the cases we have are currently housing X2 4400 processors and so far they are doing well. Obviously you have to heed their warnings about proper mobos and video cards, not all of them will fit in the case because of the heat pipes (and some processors will be above what the case can handle). We[*] really wanted silent machines and we considered and tested several options - this was the one that worked best (but very expensive, of course). The new machines match a complete renovation of our building which was damaged in the 1989 Loma Prieta quake (the whole third floor was declared off limits). It was finally fixed after a looong delay... we moved in last August after a year and a half in temporary trailers). -- Fernando [*] well, I was pushing hard for that. The story I usually tell dates back quite a few years when computers where even noisier, a big power outage at Stanford blacked out the whole building and most of campus. It was late evening and I was going through the building unplugging computers and equipment with a flashlight and it was a _different_ building - the silence was just beautiful... From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Sat Jul 15 23:59:29 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Sat Jul 15 23:59:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Quiet case In-Reply-To: <20060715065617.GI31504@replic.net> References: <1152901823.10048.19.camel@groovious> <1152928054.10223.21.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1152945675.10048.27.camel@groovious> <20060715065617.GI31504@replic.net> Message-ID: <1153022369.6545.34.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Sat, 2006-07-15 at 06:56 +0000, carmen wrote: > > Working with them, is there anything that you've found that doesn't live > > up to the information on the Zalman site? > > after listening to sound clips of the Zalman 4'33" i can say its nice in > theory, but silly in practice. you can buy a metal-cased laptop for $1000, > put it on a metal table. and the fan wont even come on since the case and > the table itself are giant sinks. i usualy set my laptop on the radiator > (in the summer) when i want the fan to shut up.. :-) I'm almost inclined to agree, but it depends on what you want to do. This is not laptops, it is fast powerful (or at least as powerful as I could cram in that case) desktops and many of them. We considered other solutions and some were obviously cheaper - the appeal of no fans won[*]. > likewise, sitting in an auditorium, listening to people cough (or hard drives > seek) and paying for the privelege seems absurd Hmmm, well... not from my point of view. Seek noise is there, of course. We can netboot and that gets rid of that but I have not really found that necessary so far. We have them in the studios and it is very nice, and clusters that don't make noise are also nice. Not for everyone, of course, and it depends on finding funding for them which was far from trivial in our case. But then again we then make godawful noises on our own with synthesis and whatnot. Go figure :-) ;-) :-) -- Fernando [*] another very quiet option was the Zalman Reserator(sp?) water cooled system... The thought of many workstations with a water pipe between the case and the cooler, and many students (some students are not particularly careful) moving things around did not quite convince me. From j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr Sun Jul 16 04:19:19 2006 From: j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr (joel silvestre) Date: Sun Jul 16 04:19:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel core-duo cpu and realtime patches In-Reply-To: <70a871c80607150428q79319e67ya0f44df6570eb8ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <1152951584.4078.99.camel@zordi> <44B8CB3A.9060006@skynet.be> <70a871c80607150428q79319e67ya0f44df6570eb8ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1153037959.4078.114.camel@zordi> Thank you, now the kernel boots! I can live without battery monitoring but it breaks the network interface. And this is a little annoying... joel Le samedi 15 juillet 2006 ? 15:28 +0400, Dmitry Baikov a ?crit : > rt-kernel has heavily reworked irq handling and seems to have issues > with acpi and laptops. > On my laptop (acer 3004wtmi, Sonoma 2ghz), rt-kernels boots, but > harddrive crawls. Passing acpi=off to kernel solves this, but makes > nearly all devices use 2 or 3 interrupts (bad). > > Try turning acpi off in rt-kernel. You'll loose battery info, but it > may boot at least. > > Dmitry. From jouni.rinne at luukku.com Sun Jul 16 05:32:45 2006 From: jouni.rinne at luukku.com (Jouni Rinne) Date: Sun Jul 16 05:33:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FreeAmp2 VST Plugin In-Reply-To: <20060715231446.48044.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060715231446.48044.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44BA07BD.3090909@luukku.com> DCZX kirjoitti: > There's an amazing free VST plugin of amp modelling > at: > > http://www.frettedsynth.com/ > > unfortunately, I haven't gotten it to work in FST or > DSSI-VST. Anybody want to try it and see if they can > get it to work? > DAMN! It's one of those badly-made VST plugins which make my system freeze completely... Had to use the 'Magick SysRq' keysequence to be able to reboot. "Don't try this at home", it's not worth it... JR -- | me@home ~$whoami ^ ^ | "Trust me, I know what I'm doing!" | | Jouni 'Mad Max' Rinne ('x') | - Sledge Hammer | | me@home ~$man woman C " " | -------[ph34r t3h p3Ngu1n]-------- | | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | l33tmmx at sci dot fi | From v2 at iki.fi Sun Jul 16 05:44:21 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Sun Jul 16 05:44:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FreeAmp2 VST Plugin In-Reply-To: <20060716000932.GJ31504@replic.net> References: <20060715231446.48044.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060716000932.GJ31504@replic.net> Message-ID: <1153043061.6250.1.camel@puppeli> On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 00:09 +0000, carmen wrote: > On Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 04:14:46PM -0700, DCZX wrote: > > There's an amazing free VST plugin > > doesnt sound very free to me.. requires 50 euro of your time at the > minimum to fiddle with finding the right VST SDK and wine version, > getting things compiled/configged and then finding out if the plugin > even runs. ever wonder why 90% of VST plugins are free but NONE come > with source (and thats not including the ones made with SynthEdit)? > smartelectronix, DFX, Tweakbenc, simulanalog are all like that. Never say never (or in this case, NONE): http://zr-3.sourceforge.net/ -- Sampo Savolainen From lars.luthman at gmail.com Sun Jul 16 06:22:53 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Sun Jul 16 06:23:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FreeAmp2 VST Plugin In-Reply-To: <20060716000932.GJ31504@replic.net> References: <20060715231446.48044.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060716000932.GJ31504@replic.net> Message-ID: <1153045373.3621.7.camel@c-1075e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 00:09 +0000, carmen wrote: > On Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 04:14:46PM -0700, DCZX wrote: > > There's an amazing free VST plugin > > doesnt sound very free to me.. requires 50 euro of your time at the > minimum to fiddle with finding the right VST SDK and wine version, > getting things compiled/configged and then finding out if the plugin > even runs. ever wonder why 90% of VST plugins are free but NONE come > with source (and thats not including the ones made with SynthEdit)? > smartelectronix, DFX, Tweakbenc, simulanalog are all like that. > > im not sure if they just figure nobody wants the source, or if > theyre afraid steinborg is going to steal it and theyll have no way > of proving it? someone needs to whip those bastages into shape.. I've wondered that too. I asked the Crystal author some time ago if he was interested in open sourcing his synth, and offered to port it to Linux if he did, but he replied (politely) that he wasn't interested. I don't see the point in holding back on the source when you are releasing the binaries for free, unless you have some kind of plan to start charging for new versions of the binaries at some point in the future. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060716/912dc85d/attachment.bin From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Sun Jul 16 08:26:10 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Sun Jul 16 08:20:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] She's not a human being ("in your face-mix") In-Reply-To: <1152945814.10049.30.camel@groovious> References: <44B82567.6060006@kolumbus.fi> <1152945814.10049.30.camel@groovious> Message-ID: <44BA3062.6010503@kolumbus.fi> John Anderson wrote: > I finished listening to it about 5 minutes ago, and the chorus is now > stuck in my head. > Hey, that's great, I'll take that as a compliment! Thanks! Paul Wiseheart wrote: > Awesome, I love it! > I always like the combination of melancholy and silly. Thanks! Yes, it is really silly.. james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > My socks are considerably rocked. > > I love the twiddly break in the middle, the lyrics, the way you sing > like you're taking it all very seriously, eveything! Thank you very much! I really appreciate all of your comments. Esa -- ----------------------- http://www.emvg.net/esa http://www.emvg.net ----------------------- From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Jul 16 10:48:27 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Jul 16 10:46:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] She's not a human being ("in your face-mix") In-Reply-To: <44BA3062.6010503@kolumbus.fi> References: <44B82567.6060006@kolumbus.fi> <1152945814.10049.30.camel@groovious> <44BA3062.6010503@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <20060716154827.0b2b9296@localhost> On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:26:10 +0300 Esa Linna wrote: > John Anderson wrote: > > I finished listening to it about 5 minutes ago, and the chorus is now > > stuck in my head. > > > Hey, that's great, I'll take that as a compliment! Thanks! > > > Paul Wiseheart wrote: > > Awesome, I love it! > > I always like the combination of melancholy and silly. > > Thanks! Yes, it is really silly.. > > > > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > My socks are considerably rocked. > > > > I love the twiddly break in the middle, the lyrics, the way you sing > > like you're taking it all very seriously, eveything! > Thank you very much! I really appreciate all of your comments. > > Esa Just listened to it myself. Good fun. Hey guys this fella can actually sing! -- Will J G From dsbaikov at gmail.com Sun Jul 16 12:50:03 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Sun Jul 16 12:50:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel core-duo cpu and realtime patches In-Reply-To: <1153037959.4078.114.camel@zordi> References: <1152951584.4078.99.camel@zordi> <44B8CB3A.9060006@skynet.be> <70a871c80607150428q79319e67ya0f44df6570eb8ec@mail.gmail.com> <1153037959.4078.114.camel@zordi> Message-ID: <70a871c80607160950p22d70192rd251cf9c102cac40@mail.gmail.com> On 7/16/06, joel silvestre wrote: > Thank you, now the kernel boots! > > I can live without battery monitoring but it breaks the network > interface. And this is a little annoying... Breaks? You said it does not even boot with acpi=on :) But possibly, acpi=off is the problem here, because I just remembered, with it my internal sound card does not work. I'm afraid no quick solution here. We have to wait. But it would be great if we can help Ingo and others to resolve all this problems. If somebody (Lee?) can help us with advice, how can we efficiently communicate with Ingo and other developers, as they are very busy, I suppose, and lkml has very high traffic. Dmitry. From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Jul 16 13:51:41 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Jul 16 13:49:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a special sound Message-ID: <20060716185141.26d07739@localhost> Hi all, I want to try to emulate a reed instrument rather like a clarinet with a slightly damaged reed, so that the effect is that it occasionally 'breaks' and gives a sort of squeak. Ideally this should be more likely to happen at higher velocities. I think this is the sort of thing that would suit ZynAddSubFX, but my experiments so far have been distinctly underwhelming. Anyone got anything like that, or any suggestions on how to achieve it? -- Will J G From t_w_ at freenet.de Sun Jul 16 14:42:05 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sun Jul 16 14:42:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a special sound In-Reply-To: <20060716185141.26d07739@localhost> References: <20060716185141.26d07739@localhost> Message-ID: <20060716184205.GA7315@charly.SWORD> On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 06:51:41PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > I want to try to emulate a reed instrument rather like a clarinet with > a slightly damaged reed, so that the effect is that it occasionally > 'breaks' and gives a sort of squeak. Ideally this should be more likely > to happen at higher velocities. > > I think this is the sort of thing that would suit ZynAddSubFX, but my > experiments so far have been distinctly underwhelming. > > Anyone got anything like that, or any suggestions on how to achieve it? I would use Ingen (formerly Om), but I do that anyway ;) A pulse oscillator with some more or less subtle pulse width modulation might be a good basis. Add (Bandpass filtered) white noise for a breathing sound. Now I don't know how a damaged reed sounds, I can only think of overblown flute or sax. Fast pulse width modulation (via a sine oscillator > 20 Hz) can add a metallic touch. The hard clipper or one of the tube amp effects, perhaps bandpass filtered might do something for the sound. For extra breakage, feed a tube amp back to itself (after a signal product with something like 0.1) A pitch envelope could be made to fade in on high velocity (fiddly business, though). Building such a patch can easily eat up most of the day, even if one already knows their way around Ingen, though :) -- Thorsten Wilms From _ at whats-your.name Sun Jul 16 14:56:41 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sun Jul 16 14:56:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a special sound In-Reply-To: <20060716184205.GA7315@charly.SWORD> References: <20060716185141.26d07739@localhost> <20060716184205.GA7315@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060716185641.GF20511@replic.net> On Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 08:42:05PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 06:51:41PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > > > I want to try to emulate a reed instrument rather like a clarinet with > > a slightly damaged reed, so that the effect is that it occasionally > > 'breaks' and gives a sort of squeak. i think STK has a sort of clarinet. i think STK stuff has also been ported to Chuck From smoak at mis.net Mon Jul 17 02:06:10 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Mon Jul 17 02:12:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a special sound In-Reply-To: <20060716185141.26d07739@localhost> References: <20060716185141.26d07739@localhost> Message-ID: <200607170206.10769.smoak@mis.net> On Sunday 16 July 2006 13:51, Folderol wrote: > Hi all, > > I want to try to emulate a reed instrument rather like a clarinet > with a slightly damaged reed, so that the effect is that it > occasionally 'breaks' and gives a sort of squeak. Ideally this should > be more likely to happen at higher velocities. > I'm not a synth sound user except for soundfonts for my keyboard. So can't comment on how to program a squeak. I'll question and comment as a sax/flute player. What type player are you trying to emulate? When I "squeak" it's me, not the reed. And I think it is for most all players. I know players that can play horns that are total wrecks with reeds "fixed" with a cigarette lighter. If they squeak, they make it fit; maybe even use it again. A poor player will stop playing or totally miss the line for a few measures or longer. What players do you want to emulate? Or maybe the better question is, what comes after the squeak (and before it)? A good teacher once told me, "there's no such thing as a bad note; hit any note, any time; if it sound wrong, go to one that sound better". If the squeak sounds natural, it's some overtone. If not, then it's what's played next that counts. Feel free to send me test squeeak ogg's; I know how they sound for real. Done lot's of um. Marv From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 04:55:50 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Jul 17 04:56:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a special sound In-Reply-To: <20060716185641.GF20511@replic.net> References: <20060716185141.26d07739@localhost> <20060716184205.GA7315@charly.SWORD> <20060716185641.GF20511@replic.net> Message-ID: <44BB5096.4010409@gmail.com> carmen wrote: > i think STK has a sort of clarinet. i think STK stuff has also been ported to Chuck Indeed: http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/doc/program/ugen_full.html#Clarinet -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From pieterp at joow.be Mon Jul 17 06:02:37 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Mon Jul 17 06:02:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] running freebob enabled jackd with M-Audio FireWire Solo In-Reply-To: <1152985045.5566.76.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1152976968.5566.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1152978575.16617.9.camel@mindpipe> <1152985045.5566.76.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44BB603D.1080201@joow.be> Devin Venable wrote: >>> sudo jackd -v -R -P70 -dfreebob -r48000 -p512 -n2 >> Why are you running with sudo? Dapper allows non-root users to run >> realtime tasks. >> >> Lee >> > > When I run jack without sudo, I get this: > > jackd -R -d freebob -p128 > jackd 0.102.20 > Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > > JACK compiled with System V SHM support. > loading driver .. > Freebob using Firewire port 0, node -1 > Ieee1394Service::initialize: Could not get 1394 handle: Permission > denied You should modify your udev rules & permissions to allow access to the raw1394 device by the users that use the Solo. By default they make the device accessible by root only. Pieter From ardour at semiosix.com Mon Jul 17 09:11:36 2006 From: ardour at semiosix.com (John Anderson) Date: Mon Jul 17 09:14:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] bcf2000 presets Message-ID: <44BB8C88.3000305@semiosix.com> I've been finding that I run out of sliders very quickly. There are two ways I can think of to solve the problem: 1) Create a second preset with channels 9-16. Which I've done, seems to work OK. Although I had to assign channel 2 to all the control change buttons for 9-16. 2) Use the "controllers only" (factory preset #1) and duplicate it up to 16 times with ascending channel numbers. And maybe tweak it a little to make sure the MMC buttons stay as MMC. I figure that certain apps that use the predefined midi control channel numbers (Rosegarden springs to mind) will prefer 1), whereas something like ardour which doesn't really care could work with 2). I don't know midi very well - is there something obvious that I've overlooked here? NRPNs? And in a setup like this where there are several presets to handle all the channels, what's a good way to handle the master channel - put it on the same position on every preset, or have a preset specifically for the master channel and monitoring and things like that? I've been working with the former, but I'm starting to lean towards the latter. Oh, and in the process of figuring all this out, I discovered that the text file written by the BCEdit java app is a ; delimited file containing the content of the sysex messages, excluding some header bytes. So I threw together 2 scripts, one (read.pl) that converts a file containing the sysex messages to a text format (same as the BCEdit format except with \n instead of ;) and another (write.pl) that takes a text format file produced by read.pl and writes the sysex binary format so that it can be piped directly to /dev/snd/midiCxDy. It works with a BCF2000 only right now, but a probably minor change will work with the BCR2000 as well. Thank to Pieter Palmers for bcx2000edit from which I borrowed that piece of information. Maybe someone will find these useful. And I've attached some samples. bye John -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bcf-read-write.zip Type: application/zip Size: 4842 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060717/ad355fca/bcf-read-write.zip From groups at xscd.com Mon Jul 17 02:20:52 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Mon Jul 17 10:18:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] bcx2000edit: Editor for BCR2000/BCF2000 In-Reply-To: <447EC725.9070903@joow.be> References: <447EC725.9070903@joow.be> Message-ID: <20060717062052.GB4147@xscd.com> On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 12:53:25PM +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote: > [...] I have > these behringer control surfaces, and they are pretty cool, but there is > no editor for them on linux. And using the device interface itself is a > little cumbersome. > > So I figured out the sysex format (the patch dump format from "edit + > >") and wrote a parser for it in python. I also have a small PyQt > inteface (had to learn that too) that allows you to load files, change > the values and save them as a new file. > [...] > Anyway, you can find the code here: > http://freebob.sourceforge.net/old/bcx2000edit.tar.gz Wow! Thanks so much Pieter for this program. I have begun to familiarize myself with it and its use. I think it will make the configuration of the BCF2000 much easier. Thank you! Steve D New Mexico US -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- A computer without a Microsoft Operating System is like a dog without bricks tied to its head. ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Jul 17 10:40:40 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Jul 17 10:27:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607121144l3940995ducee1f44d8710b8ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607121144l3940995ducee1f44d8710b8ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44BBA168.8050804@woh.rr.com> Mark Knecht wrote: > On 7/11/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > >> The final pieces are coming together for the new iron here at Studio >> Dave. I have two last questions (well, for now) : >> >> Is this a good selection for the hard disk: >> >> Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 ST3400633A 400 GB 7200 RPM 16MB cache >> EIDE Ultra ATA100, new with Seagate warranty, $166 > > > Being ATA100 it's not the fastest drive out there but 400GB is > certainly nice storage. > > QUESTION: Are you going with a single drive or will there be separate > system and audio drives? Ach, I must answer your question with another question: Assuming I want two drives, what special considerations should I make for them ? If one is for audio work alone, does that mean it merely needs formatted and I'll use it as recording space ? Sounds simple enough, but I've never set up a system like this one. At this time I'm planning for only one drive, but I can consider purchasing a second disk. I'm still mulling over the distro possibilities. I may install a few before deciding on one. Btw, I've assembled the mobo (added CPU, RAM, and ominous Zalman fan) and installed it in the case. The Antec Sonata II looks great, it's just waiting on its hard drive now. Best, dp From pcoccoli at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 10:55:40 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Mon Jul 17 10:55:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FreeAmp2 VST Plugin In-Reply-To: <20060715231446.48044.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060715231446.48044.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8d27a0610607170755x7897add4ubec8c14efe43dc0e@mail.gmail.com> On 7/15/06, DCZX wrote: > There's an amazing free VST plugin of amp modelling > at: > > http://www.frettedsynth.com/ > > unfortunately, I haven't gotten it to work in FST or > DSSI-VST. Anybody want to try it and see if they can > get it to work? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Version 1.1 worked on my old RH9/Planet CCRMA box with wine-0.9.2-1rh9winehq and fst 1.7. So did everything else on that site at the time, IIRC. BTW, you should check http://ladspavst.linuxaudio.org/ first (search for frettedsynth, for example). From mis at artengine.ca Mon Jul 17 10:59:29 2006 From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta) Date: Mon Jul 17 10:58:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FreeAmp2 VST Plugin In-Reply-To: <1153045373.3621.7.camel@c-1075e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> References: <20060715231446.48044.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060716000932.GJ31504@replic.net> <1153045373.3621.7.camel@c-1075e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> Message-ID: <868xmswa3y.fsf@localhost.localdomain> Lars Luthman writes: > I don't see the point in holding back on the source when you are > releasing the binaries for free, unless you have some kind of plan to > start charging for new versions of the binaries at some point in the > future. Yeah, or loose the whole thing in a hard-drive crash and have to reinvent the wheel (as Jeskola Buzz reportedly did, if it is at all true). In any case, the Caps LADSPA plugins have some nice amp emulators. They sound good to me, anyways. ./MiS From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 11:01:12 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jul 17 11:01:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44BBA168.8050804@woh.rr.com> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607121144l3940995ducee1f44d8710b8ff@mail.gmail.com> <44BBA168.8050804@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607170801m5eb1135et24fcf836044d0c5f@mail.gmail.com> On 7/17/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On 7/11/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > > > >> The final pieces are coming together for the new iron here at Studio > >> Dave. I have two last questions (well, for now) : > >> > >> Is this a good selection for the hard disk: > >> > >> Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 ST3400633A 400 GB 7200 RPM 16MB cache > >> EIDE Ultra ATA100, new with Seagate warranty, $166 > > > > > > Being ATA100 it's not the fastest drive out there but 400GB is > > certainly nice storage. > > > > QUESTION: Are you going with a single drive or will there be separate > > system and audio drives? > > Ach, I must answer your question with another question: Assuming I want > two drives, what special considerations should I make for them ? If one > is for audio work alone, does that mean it merely needs formatted and > I'll use it as recording space ? Sounds simple enough, but I've never > set up a system like this one. Yes. That's the idea. /dev/hdaX would hold Linux on multiple partitions. (root swap boot, etc.) /dev/hdc would be one large partition for nothing but the audio files and supporting stuff. (Complete Ardour song directories, etc.) Extra power from the power supply so don't skimp on that. Extra space in the case if you go internal. 1394 adapter, if one isn't built in to your motherboard, if you decide to go external. IF you buy a 1394 adapter then try for 1394b instead of 1394a. > > At this time I'm planning for only one drive, but I can consider > purchasing a second disk. I'm not sure it's necessary if you have enough RAM in your machine and you don't do anything other than Ardour when doing Ardour, etc. However, if you are recording with Ardour and running other apps at the same time that are accessing the drive, then for brief periods you will have apps seeking to different places on the drive and potentially causing problems. One thing might be to go with a single drive and buy the second if you decide it will solve some problem you run into later. > > I'm still mulling over the distro possibilities. I may install a few > before deciding on one. Yeah, big choice. I'm cursing Gentoo this weekend as I try to make a more than major upgrade to my home network of MythTV boxes. I've been at that 2 days now... > > Btw, I've assembled the mobo (added CPU, RAM, and ominous Zalman fan) > and installed it in the case. The Antec Sonata II looks great, it's just > waiting on its hard drive now. sounds exciting. Good luck! - Mark > > Best, > > dp > > From yves_p at nnx.com Mon Jul 17 11:30:11 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Mon Jul 17 11:30:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FreeAmp2 VST Plugin In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610607170755x7897add4ubec8c14efe43dc0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060715231446.48044.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8d27a0610607170755x7897add4ubec8c14efe43dc0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060717153011.GC2625@localhost> Le 17 Jul ? 10:55, Paul Coccoli ecrivait: > Version 1.1 worked on my old RH9/Planet CCRMA box with > wine-0.9.2-1rh9winehq and fst 1.7. So did everything else on that > site at the time, IIRC. Could you tell us if you have experienced better results with that than with CAPS ? Thanks :). Y. From illth at gmx.de Mon Jul 17 11:37:46 2006 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Mon Jul 17 11:37:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607170801m5eb1135et24fcf836044d0c5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607121144l3940995ducee1f44d8710b8ff@mail.gmail.com> <44BBA168.8050804@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607170801m5eb1135et24fcf836044d0c5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44BBAECA.7040800@gmx.de> Mark Knecht wrote: > On 7/17/06, Dave Phillips wrote: >> Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> > On 7/11/06, Dave Phillips wrote: >> > >> >> The final pieces are coming together for the new iron here at >> Studio >> >> Dave. I have two last questions (well, for now) : >> >> >> >> Is this a good selection for the hard disk: >> >> >> >> Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 ST3400633A 400 GB 7200 RPM 16MB cache >> >> EIDE Ultra ATA100, new with Seagate warranty, $166 >> > >> > >> > Being ATA100 it's not the fastest drive out there but 400GB is >> > certainly nice storage. >> > >> > QUESTION: Are you going with a single drive or will there be separate >> > system and audio drives? >> >> Ach, I must answer your question with another question: Assuming I want >> two drives, what special considerations should I make for them ? If one >> is for audio work alone, does that mean it merely needs formatted and >> I'll use it as recording space ? Sounds simple enough, but I've never >> set up a system like this one. > > Yes. That's the idea. /dev/hdaX would hold Linux on multiple > partitions. (root swap boot, etc.) /dev/hdc would be one large > partition for nothing but the audio files and supporting stuff. > (Complete Ardour song directories, etc.) > > Extra power from the power supply so don't skimp on that. Extra space > in the case if you go internal. 1394 adapter, if one isn't built in to > your motherboard, if you decide to go external. IF you buy a 1394 > adapter then try for 1394b instead of 1394a. really ... i would go for eSATA instead if 1394b. usb+eSATA external cases are cheaper than 1394b external cases, eSATA capable SATA controllers are cheaper, and it is faster than 1394b. ok, you might now say 800Mbps is as good 150MB/s, BUT: firewire uses a totally different (scsi-like) protocol to access mass storage devices, so the enclosures use a rather high-level firewire <-> ATA bridge. this one increases _disk access_ latencies, and limits the bandwidth. a ATA <-> SATA or SATA <-> SATA bridge is a fairly lowlevel bridge on contrary, so you have no problem with _disk access_ latencies and bandwith. it's just as fast as if the disk was internal. the only drawback is that linux currently doesn't support hotplug for SATA. so you have to plug / unplug while your PC is powered down. alternatively, you can load / unload the whole SATA driver, this should give you some hotplug capabilities. > >> >> At this time I'm planning for only one drive, but I can consider >> purchasing a second disk. > > I'm not sure it's necessary if you have enough RAM in your machine and > you don't do anything other than Ardour when doing Ardour, etc. > However, if you are recording with Ardour and running other apps at > the same time that are accessing the drive, then for brief periods you > will have apps seeking to different places on the drive and > potentially causing problems. > > One thing might be to go with a single drive and buy the second if you > decide it will solve some problem you run into later. > >> >> I'm still mulling over the distro possibilities. I may install a few >> before deciding on one. > > Yeah, big choice. I'm cursing Gentoo this weekend as I try to make a > more than major upgrade to my home network of MythTV boxes. I've been > at that 2 days now... > >> >> Btw, I've assembled the mobo (added CPU, RAM, and ominous Zalman fan) >> and installed it in the case. The Antec Sonata II looks great, it's just >> waiting on its hard drive now. > > sounds exciting. Good luck! > > - Mark >> >> Best, >> >> dp >> >> > > From yves_p at nnx.com Mon Jul 17 11:45:20 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Mon Jul 17 11:45:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44BBA168.8050804@woh.rr.com> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607121144l3940995ducee1f44d8710b8ff@mail.gmail.com> <44BBA168.8050804@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060717154520.GD2625@localhost> Le 17 Jul ? 10:40, Dave Phillips ecrivait: > Ach, I must answer your question with another question: Assuming I want > two drives, what special considerations should I make for them ? If one > is for audio work alone, does that mean it merely needs formatted and > I'll use it as recording space ? Sounds simple enough, but I've never > set up a system like this one. I have a drive exclusively for Ardour when I use it, with a single partition. Soundfonts and samples are on the main drive, in my home directory, and I record on the other drive. Also neither Qsynth nor linuxsampler, for example, may access the drive I'm recording on. I have sda1 for the system (14 Gb), sda4 for my home (the rest of sda), and sdb1, a single partition on the whole second disk, for Ardour (and storage or backups eventually). I mount it on /data. And I' m very confortable with ext3 ; after years using reiserfs, I realized quickly that it's not very handy for audio. Finally, as they are SATA disks, each disk is alone on its cable. This is very important, maybe even more with IDE drives. HTH, Y. From cesare at poeticstudios.com Mon Jul 17 13:46:12 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Mon Jul 17 11:46:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FreeAmp2 VST Plugin In-Reply-To: <868xmswa3y.fsf@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060715231446.48044.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060716000932.GJ31504@replic.net> <1153045373.3621.7.camel@c-1075e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> <868xmswa3y.fsf@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44BBCCE4.8070805@poeticstudios.com> Michal Seta wrote: >Lars Luthman writes: > > > >>I don't see the point in holding back on the source when you are >>releasing the binaries for free, unless you have some kind of plan to >>start charging for new versions of the binaries at some point in the >>future. >> >> > >Yeah, or loose the whole thing in a hard-drive crash and have to >reinvent the wheel (as Jeskola Buzz reportedly did, if it is at all >true). > > > True. Open sourcing a software is the definitive backup tool. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT -- Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, restrugo@fateware.com From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 11:53:14 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jul 17 11:53:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44BBAECA.7040800@gmx.de> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607121144l3940995ducee1f44d8710b8ff@mail.gmail.com> <44BBA168.8050804@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607170801m5eb1135et24fcf836044d0c5f@mail.gmail.com> <44BBAECA.7040800@gmx.de> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607170853l7de4da30g298f763a839d309a@mail.gmail.com> I have no problem with this recommendation from Thomas. I've not used eSATA ut I expect it' performance it pretty good. I know nothing about the implementation team for that technology. There doesn't seem to be much happening with 1394 development these days. I use it because I have the drives and have industry experience, not because it's the best technology. Do some searching around on your own and figure out what works for you. An internal drive is goig to be the least painful from a Linux POV. If you have no need to move your sessions around to different locations then I wouldn't bother with any external drive based on my personal Linux experience. - Mark On 7/17/06, Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 7/17/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > >> Mark Knecht wrote: > >> > >> > On 7/11/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > >> > > >> >> The final pieces are coming together for the new iron here at > >> Studio > >> >> Dave. I have two last questions (well, for now) : > >> >> > >> >> Is this a good selection for the hard disk: > >> >> > >> >> Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 ST3400633A 400 GB 7200 RPM 16MB cache > >> >> EIDE Ultra ATA100, new with Seagate warranty, $166 > >> > > >> > > >> > Being ATA100 it's not the fastest drive out there but 400GB is > >> > certainly nice storage. > >> > > >> > QUESTION: Are you going with a single drive or will there be separate > >> > system and audio drives? > >> > >> Ach, I must answer your question with another question: Assuming I want > >> two drives, what special considerations should I make for them ? If one > >> is for audio work alone, does that mean it merely needs formatted and > >> I'll use it as recording space ? Sounds simple enough, but I've never > >> set up a system like this one. > > > > Yes. That's the idea. /dev/hdaX would hold Linux on multiple > > partitions. (root swap boot, etc.) /dev/hdc would be one large > > partition for nothing but the audio files and supporting stuff. > > (Complete Ardour song directories, etc.) > > > > Extra power from the power supply so don't skimp on that. Extra space > > in the case if you go internal. 1394 adapter, if one isn't built in to > > your motherboard, if you decide to go external. IF you buy a 1394 > > adapter then try for 1394b instead of 1394a. > really ... i would go for eSATA instead if 1394b. usb+eSATA external > cases are cheaper > than 1394b external cases, eSATA capable SATA controllers are cheaper, > and it is faster > than 1394b. > > ok, you might now say 800Mbps is as good 150MB/s, BUT: firewire uses a > totally different > (scsi-like) protocol to access mass storage devices, so the enclosures > use a rather high-level > firewire <-> ATA bridge. this one increases _disk access_ latencies, and > limits the bandwidth. > > a ATA <-> SATA or SATA <-> SATA bridge is a fairly lowlevel bridge on > contrary, so you have no > problem with _disk access_ latencies and bandwith. it's just as fast as > if the disk was internal. > > the only drawback is that linux currently doesn't support hotplug for > SATA. so you have to > plug / unplug while your PC is powered down. alternatively, you can load > / unload the whole > SATA driver, this should give you some hotplug capabilities. > > > >> > >> At this time I'm planning for only one drive, but I can consider > >> purchasing a second disk. > > > > I'm not sure it's necessary if you have enough RAM in your machine and > > you don't do anything other than Ardour when doing Ardour, etc. > > However, if you are recording with Ardour and running other apps at > > the same time that are accessing the drive, then for brief periods you > > will have apps seeking to different places on the drive and > > potentially causing problems. > > > > One thing might be to go with a single drive and buy the second if you > > decide it will solve some problem you run into later. > > > >> > >> I'm still mulling over the distro possibilities. I may install a few > >> before deciding on one. > > > > Yeah, big choice. I'm cursing Gentoo this weekend as I try to make a > > more than major upgrade to my home network of MythTV boxes. I've been > > at that 2 days now... > > > >> > >> Btw, I've assembled the mobo (added CPU, RAM, and ominous Zalman fan) > >> and installed it in the case. The Antec Sonata II looks great, it's just > >> waiting on its hard drive now. > > > > sounds exciting. Good luck! > > > > - Mark > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> dp > >> > >> > > > > > > From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Jul 17 14:52:52 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Jul 17 14:39:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607170853l7de4da30g298f763a839d309a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607121144l3940995ducee1f44d8710b8ff@mail.gmail.com> <44BBA168.8050804@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607170801m5eb1135et24fcf836044d0c5f@mail.gmail.com> <44BBAECA.7040800@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0607170853l7de4da30g298f763a839d309a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44BBDC84.5080807@woh.rr.com> Mark Knecht wrote: > I have no problem with this recommendation from Thomas. I've not used > eSATA ut I expect it' performance it pretty good. I know nothing about > the implementation team for that technology. There doesn't seem to be > much happening with 1394 development these days. I use it because I > have the drives and have industry experience, not because it's the > best technology. Do some searching around on your own and figure out > what works for you. An internal drive is goig to be the least painful > from a Linux POV. If you have no need to move your sessions around to > different locations then I wouldn't bother with any external drive > based on my personal Linux experience. Many thanks to everyone again, I'm learning more than I bargained for. ;) The mobo does have a 1394 connector, but there's no need at this time to consider an external drive, I'm okay with the standard internal installation. Now I return to meditating upon the installation distro of choice... Chantingly, dp From seablaede at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 16:09:09 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Mon Jul 17 15:04:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44BBDC84.5080807@woh.rr.com> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607121144l3940995ducee1f44d8710b8ff@mail.gmail.com> <44BBA168.8050804@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607170801m5eb1135et24fcf836044d0c5f@mail.gmail.com> <44BBAECA.7040800@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0607170853l7de4da30g298f763a839d309a@mail.gmail.com> <44BBDC84.5080807@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44BBEE65.5060104@gmail.com> > > The mobo does have a 1394 connector, but there's no need at this time to consider an external drive, I'm okay with the standard internal installation. Just for reference, most PC motherboards these days STILL only come with 1394a connectors(Firewire400). If you were using it for an external HD or RAID I would definitely recommend 1394b(Firewire800) But like Mark I have seen no problem against eSATA, I just haven't used it myself to comment on it, but technically that SHOULD be better than Firewire for storage I believe. Again though, haven't used it so I cant really comment on it. Seablade From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 15:17:00 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jul 17 15:18:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44BBEE65.5060104@gmail.com> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607121144l3940995ducee1f44d8710b8ff@mail.gmail.com> <44BBA168.8050804@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607170801m5eb1135et24fcf836044d0c5f@mail.gmail.com> <44BBAECA.7040800@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0607170853l7de4da30g298f763a839d309a@mail.gmail.com> <44BBDC84.5080807@woh.rr.com> <44BBEE65.5060104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607171217vdf52508m4566980cd10fe1e3@mail.gmail.com> On 7/17/06, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > > > > The mobo does have a 1394 connector, but there's no need at this time to consider an external drive, I'm okay with the standard internal installation. > > Just for reference, most PC motherboards these days STILL only come with > 1394a connectors(Firewire400). If you were using it for an external HD > or RAID I would definitely recommend 1394b(Firewire800) > > But like Mark I have seen no problem against eSATA, I just haven't used > it myself to comment on it, but technically that SHOULD be better than > Firewire for storage I believe. Again though, haven't used it so I cant > really comment on it. > > Seablade > NOTE: I actually run 95% of my external audio on a couple of old 1394a drives. For most things, including Ardour up to so many tracks, they work fine. If you buy the right 1394b drive case it will support 1394a interfaces also so you can use it with the built in connector for now and go to 1394b later if desired. There is nothing wrong with 1394a, 1394b or AFAIK eSATA for doing audio on an external drive. They will all work and work fine. If I was going to buy a new controller to do this stuff I'd go with 1394b. Thomas would go with eSATA. IT's all cool. - Mark From stefan at space.twc.de Mon Jul 17 15:28:35 2006 From: stefan at space.twc.de (Stefan Westerfeld) Date: Mon Jul 17 15:24:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANNOUNCE: BEAST/BSE v0.7.0 Message-ID: <20060717192835.GA17181@space.twc.de> BEAST/BSE version 0.7.0 and BSE-ALSA version 0.7.0 are available for download at: ftp://beast.gtk.org/pub/beast/v0.7/ or http://beast.gtk.org/beast-ftp/v0.7/ This is a development version of BEAST/BSE, the BEdevilled Audio SysTem and the Bedevilled Sound Engine. BEAST is a powerful music composition and modular synthesis application released as free software under the GNU GPL and GNU LGPL, that runs under unix. BSE-ALSA is an ALSA driver for BSE. The project is hosted at: http://beast.gtk.org The "Bedevilled" portion of the names has no religious background, refer to the About page for more details: http://beast.gtk.org/about A mailing list is available at: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/beast/ GUI skins, example sounds and instrumets for BEAST/BSE as well as screenshots can be found at: http://beast.gtk.org/browse-bse-files.html http://beast.gtk.org/screenshots/index.html The 0.7 development series of Beast focusses on improving usability and ease of music production. Feedback is very much appreciated, please take the opportunity and provide your comments and questions in online forums like the Beast Help Desk, Beast Bugzilla or the mailing list, all of which can be reached through http://beast.gtk.org/. Overview of Changes in BEAST/BSE 0.7.0: * Renamed scheme shell to bsescm * Optimized core functions for MMX/SSE with runtime CPU detection * Fixed CPU profiler to work with newer Linux kernels * New probing code for optimized volume meters and FFT scopes * Plugins/Module changes: StandardOscillator - Added semitone transposition function FreeVerb - Fixed distortions due to subnormal handling GusPatchEnvelope - Better approximation of GUS Patch envelopes [Stefan] Adder - Deprecated in favour of BseSummation Constant - Number of output channels reduced to 4 DavSynDrum - Fixed retrigger logic [Stefan] * Added support for MMX/SSE-optimized plugins * Converted runtime documentation system to use a local web browser * Relicensed all example scripts and BSE files under an "AS IS" license * New loadable Instruments/Effects: BQS Organ BQS SynDrum BQS Fretless Bass [Stefan Westerfeld] BQS Queek Synth BQS MoogSaw Bass [Stefan Westerfeld] BQS Merp Pad BQS Compressor [Stefan Westerfeld] BQS Reverb [Stefan Westerfeld] BQS Saturation And Reverb [Stefan Westerfeld] * Major code reorganizations, only one library is installed now: libbse * Vastly extended test coverage of many core mechanisms * Moved source base to automake-1.9 and added support for gcc-4.2 * Lots of major and minor fixes and improvements * Bugzilla issues resolved: #337703, #342186, #343301, #340386, #340307 * Updated Canadian English translation [Adam Weinberger] * Updated German translation [Hendrik Richter, Jens Seidel] * Updated Spanish translation [Francisco Javier F. Serrador] * Updated Czech translation [Miloslav Trmac] * Updated Italian translation [Petrecca Michele] * Updated Catalan translation [Gil Forcada] * Updated Dutch translation [Vincent van Adrighem] * Updated Swedish translation [Daniel Nylander] * Added Nepali translation [Pawan Chitrakar] Overview of Changes in BSE-ALSA 0.7.0: * Build fixes for BEAST-0.7.0 * Moved source base to automake-1.9 and added support for gcc-4.2 -- Stefan Westerfeld, Hamburg/Germany, http://space.twc.de/~stefan From james at dis-dot-dat.net Mon Jul 17 15:26:01 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Mon Jul 17 15:26:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <44BBDC84.5080807@woh.rr.com> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607121144l3940995ducee1f44d8710b8ff@mail.gmail.com> <44BBA168.8050804@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607170801m5eb1135et24fcf836044d0c5f@mail.gmail.com> <44BBAECA.7040800@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0607170853l7de4da30g298f763a839d309a@mail.gmail.com> <44BBDC84.5080807@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060717192601.GW9439@fitz.Belkin> On Mon, 17 Jul, 2006 at 02:52PM -0400, Dave Phillips spake thus: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > >I have no problem with this recommendation from Thomas. I've not used > >eSATA ut I expect it' performance it pretty good. I know nothing about > >the implementation team for that technology. There doesn't seem to be > >much happening with 1394 development these days. I use it because I > >have the drives and have industry experience, not because it's the > >best technology. Do some searching around on your own and figure out > >what works for you. An internal drive is goig to be the least painful > >from a Linux POV. If you have no need to move your sessions around to > >different locations then I wouldn't bother with any external drive > >based on my personal Linux experience. > > Many thanks to everyone again, I'm learning more than I bargained for. ;) > > The mobo does have a 1394 connector, but there's no need at this time to > consider an external drive, I'm okay with the standard internal > installation. > > Now I return to meditating upon the installation distro of choice... > > Chantingly, Meditation... chanting... Is that a hint? Are you thinking of going for Source Mage? I still recommend gentoo, btw. :) James > dp > > From seablaede at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 18:04:36 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Mon Jul 17 17:00:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question: update In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607171217vdf52508m4566980cd10fe1e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060704085521.8659D207C9D8@music.columbia.edu> <60656.204.16.146.78.1152023228.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> <44B3872D.1090507@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607121144l3940995ducee1f44d8710b8ff@mail.gmail.com> <44BBA168.8050804@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607170801m5eb1135et24fcf836044d0c5f@mail.gmail.com> <44BBAECA.7040800@gmx.de> <5bdc1c8b0607170853l7de4da30g298f763a839d309a@mail.gmail.com> <44BBDC84.5080807@woh.rr.com> <44BBEE65.5060104@gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607171217vdf52508m4566980cd10fe1e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44BC0974.2010003@gmail.com> > For most things, including Ardour up to so many tracks, they > work fine. Yep completely correct, it is just when I am doing work I tend to go over that track count on my internal so I switch to external and go with b at that point to make sure I have room. My internal at the moment also has my OS on it though so most of the time you will get better performance out of a dedicated internal drive, for the record;) >If you buy the right 1394b drive case it will support 1394a interfaces also so you can use it with the built in connector for now and go to 1394b later if desired. I have found the LaCie Triple Interface good drives for this purpose myself, then again I also know people that hate them as well, so YMWV. Seablade From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 22:10:36 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Jul 17 22:10:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: FreeAmp2 VST Plugin, porting azr-3? Message-ID: On 7/16/06, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 00:09 +0000, carmen wrote: > > On Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 04:14:46PM -0700, DCZX wrote: > > > There's an amazing free VST plugin > > > > doesnt sound very free to me.. requires 50 euro of your time at the > > minimum to fiddle with finding the right VST SDK and wine version, > > getting things compiled/configged and then finding out if the plugin > > even runs. ever wonder why 90% of VST plugins are free but NONE come > > with source (and thats not including the ones made with SynthEdit)? > > smartelectronix, DFX, Tweakbenc, simulanalog are all like that. > > Never say never (or in this case, NONE): http://zr-3.sourceforge.net/ > > -- > Sampo Savolainen Anyone tried porting zr-3/etc to a dssi? Sounds like a fun project. A nice gpl organ sym would be pretty awesome. Loki From dvenable6 at cox.net Tue Jul 18 01:49:24 2006 From: dvenable6 at cox.net (Devin Venable) Date: Tue Jul 18 01:49:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] freebob port names Message-ID: <1153201764.22474.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I can't seem to get any jack clients to connect freebob-enabled-jackd, but I have managed to make a little progress. I built Hydrogen from source, and when it now tries to connect, I do see the attempt in qjackctl's Messages window. I get this: 00:39:40.097 MIDI connection graph change. unknown destination port in attempted connection [alsa_pcm:playback_1] In fact, I've seen this error when trying to connect other jack clients. My freebob port names: registered port freebob_pcm:dev1c_SpdifIn L, offset = 2048 registered port freebob_pcm:dev1c_SpdifIn R, offset = 4096 registered port freebob_pcm:dev1c_LineIn L, offset = 6144 registered port freebob_pcm:dev1c_LineIn R, offset = 8192 registered port freebob_pcm:dev1p_SpdifOut L, offset = 0 registered port freebob_pcm:dev1p_SpdifOut R, offset = 0 registered port freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut L, offset = 0 registered port freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut R, offset = 0 Is there a configuration file somewhere that is picking up alsa_pcm:placyback_1? Or is that just a default name that is expected to exist. It does not when I run jackd using the freebob driver. From pieterp at joow.be Tue Jul 18 04:56:18 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Tue Jul 18 04:56:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] freebob port names In-Reply-To: <1153201764.22474.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1153201764.22474.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44BCA232.8050801@joow.be> Devin Venable wrote: >I can't seem to get any jack clients to connect freebob-enabled-jackd, >but I have managed to make a little progress. I built Hydrogen from >source, and when it now tries to connect, I do see the attempt in >qjackctl's Messages window. > >I get this: > >00:39:40.097 MIDI connection graph change. >unknown destination port in attempted connection [alsa_pcm:playback_1] > >In fact, I've seen this error when trying to connect other jack clients. >My freebob port names: > >registered port freebob_pcm:dev1c_SpdifIn L, offset = 2048 >registered port freebob_pcm:dev1c_SpdifIn R, offset = 4096 >registered port freebob_pcm:dev1c_LineIn L, offset = 6144 >registered port freebob_pcm:dev1c_LineIn R, offset = 8192 >registered port freebob_pcm:dev1p_SpdifOut L, offset = 0 >registered port freebob_pcm:dev1p_SpdifOut R, offset = 0 >registered port freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut L, offset = 0 >registered port freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut R, offset = 0 > >Is there a configuration file somewhere that is picking up >alsa_pcm:placyback_1? Or is that just a default name that is expected >to exist. It does not when I run jackd using the freebob driver. > > > > You should disable the 'connect to default output pair' option in the hydrogen settings dialog. In any case, this is not a fatal error. You can still connect the outputs manually with qjackctl or the likes. Pieter From lars.luthman at gmail.com Tue Jul 18 05:41:59 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Tue Jul 18 05:42:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: FreeAmp2 VST Plugin, porting azr-3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1153215719.14668.2.camel@c-1075e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 12:10 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > On 7/16/06, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 00:09 +0000, carmen wrote: > > > On Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 04:14:46PM -0700, DCZX wrote: > > > > There's an amazing free VST plugin > > > > > > doesnt sound very free to me.. requires 50 euro of your time at the > > > minimum to fiddle with finding the right VST SDK and wine version, > > > getting things compiled/configged and then finding out if the plugin > > > even runs. ever wonder why 90% of VST plugins are free but NONE come > > > with source (and thats not including the ones made with SynthEdit)? > > > smartelectronix, DFX, Tweakbenc, simulanalog are all like that. > > > > Never say never (or in this case, NONE): http://zr-3.sourceforge.net/ > > > > -- > > Sampo Savolainen > > Anyone tried porting zr-3/etc to a dssi? Sounds like a fun project. A > nice gpl organ sym would be pretty awesome. No, not DSSI. But I'm halfway through porting AZR3 to LV2. Here's a short demo, sounds decent (modulo crappy keyboard setup / keyboard player): http://ll-plugins.sourceforge.net/ogg/azr3-lv2-pre003.ogg -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060718/31c46fc5/attachment.bin From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Jul 18 21:49:09 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Jul 18 21:49:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: FreeAmp2 VST Plugin, porting azr-3? In-Reply-To: <1153215719.14668.2.camel@c-1075e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> References: <1153215719.14668.2.camel@c-1075e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> Message-ID: On 7/18/06, Lars Luthman wrote: > On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 12:10 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > On 7/16/06, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > > On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 00:09 +0000, carmen wrote: > > > > On Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 04:14:46PM -0700, DCZX wrote: > > > > > There's an amazing free VST plugin > > > > > > > > doesnt sound very free to me.. requires 50 euro of your time at the > > > > minimum to fiddle with finding the right VST SDK and wine version, > > > > getting things compiled/configged and then finding out if the plugin > > > > even runs. ever wonder why 90% of VST plugins are free but NONE come > > > > with source (and thats not including the ones made with SynthEdit)? > > > > smartelectronix, DFX, Tweakbenc, simulanalog are all like that. > > > > > > Never say never (or in this case, NONE): http://zr-3.sourceforge.net/ > > > > > > -- > > > Sampo Savolainen > > > > Anyone tried porting zr-3/etc to a dssi? Sounds like a fun project. A > > nice gpl organ sym would be pretty awesome. > > No, not DSSI. But I'm halfway through porting AZR3 to LV2. Here's a > short demo, sounds decent (modulo crappy keyboard setup / keyboard > player): > > http://ll-plugins.sourceforge.net/ogg/azr3-lv2-pre003.ogg That actually sounds pretty decent! You da man Lars. Loki From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Tue Jul 18 21:55:27 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Tue Jul 18 21:56:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: FreeAmp2 VST Plugin, porting azr-3? In-Reply-To: <1153215719.14668.2.camel@c-1075e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> References: <1153215719.14668.2.camel@c-1075e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> Message-ID: <1153274127.18083.5.camel@DaveLap> On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 11:41 +0200, Lars Luthman wrote: > On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 12:10 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > On 7/16/06, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > > On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 00:09 +0000, carmen wrote: > > > > On Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 04:14:46PM -0700, DCZX wrote: > > > > > There's an amazing free VST plugin > > > > > > > > doesnt sound very free to me.. requires 50 euro of your time at the > > > > minimum to fiddle with finding the right VST SDK and wine version, > > > > getting things compiled/configged and then finding out if the plugin > > > > even runs. ever wonder why 90% of VST plugins are free but NONE come > > > > with source (and thats not including the ones made with SynthEdit)? > > > > smartelectronix, DFX, Tweakbenc, simulanalog are all like that. > > > > > > Never say never (or in this case, NONE): http://zr-3.sourceforge.net/ > > > > > > -- > > > Sampo Savolainen > > > > Anyone tried porting zr-3/etc to a dssi? Sounds like a fun project. A > > nice gpl organ sym would be pretty awesome. > > No, not DSSI. But I'm halfway through porting AZR3 to LV2. Here's a > short demo, sounds decent (modulo crappy keyboard setup / keyboard > player): > > http://ll-plugins.sourceforge.net/ogg/azr3-lv2-pre003.ogg Nice one -DR- From ivalladolidt at terra.es Wed Jul 19 02:59:12 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Wed Jul 19 02:59:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Delacrew Message-ID: <20060719065912.GA2592@spma33> Delacrew's a spanish band devoted to electronic music which extensively use and even evangelize people about using free software as far as it fulfils the needs of the artist. They even appeared using Puredata for VJing in a TV program last week. Please vote for [1]the video of their TV interview so it's not removed from YouTube! They have a blog [2]here and subtitle their opening web page as: Open Source, Digital Freedom, Machine's ego I hope their works are interesting for all of you. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LogtASxrZQc 2. http://www.delacrew.net/blog/ Cordially, Ismael -- When I grow up I will go there. From julien at c-lab.de Wed Jul 19 05:28:10 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed Jul 19 05:28:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] simple jack_player? Message-ID: Hi all! I'm looking for a VERY simple jack_paleyr. Perhaps something like aplay only for jack. What I want to do is: Get input from a pipe and then just play it through jack. Rate conversion might be a nice feature, yet I could live without it. Any suggestions are warmly welcome! Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From perodog at gmx.net Wed Jul 19 09:02:59 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Wed Jul 19 09:02:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ld.so.conf Message-ID: <44BE2D83.3060809@gmx.net> hi to the list, my neighbor gave me yesterday a suggestion that i should have a look on the file /etc/ld.so.conf! joe /etc/ld.so.conf: /usr/X11R6/lib # Begin qt addition to /etc/ld.so.conf /opt/qt/lib # End qt addition # Begin qt addition to /etc/ld.so.conf /opt/qt/lib # End qt addition # Begin qt addition to /etc/ld.so.conf /opt/qt/lib # End qt addition # Begin qt addition to /etc/ld.so.conf /opt/qt/lib # End qt addition # Begin qt addition to /etc/ld.so.conf /usr/share/qt4 # End qt addition on my system the dir /opt is empty, the qtlibs are in /usr/share/qt4/lib and /usr/share/qt3/lib. ...qt4/lib is containing lot of files, but /qt3/lib contains only a few: nowhiskey@murija2:/usr/share/qt3/lib$ ls libqt-mt.prl libqt-mt.so libqt-mt.so.3 libqt-mt.so.3.3 libqt.so.3 libqt.so.3.3 libqui.prl libqui.so libqui.so.1 libqui.so.1.0 though in the .bash_profile there is a entry: export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3 export PATH=$QTDIR/bin:$PATH all these ld.config stuff cant be o.k. like this. was already running ldconfig, but no changes. i would like the keep the qt3 path, cause making this entry in the bash_profile made my machine able to compile much better. so i suppose that i should change all the /opt/qt/lib entries into /usr/share/qt3/lib? perhaps anyone else here knows more about and can give me some support? cheers, doc From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Wed Jul 19 08:19:44 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Wed Jul 19 13:15:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.50, released! Message-ID: <200607191419.44740.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> =Musix 0.50 released!= Thanks to the support of the Ututo Proyect, FSF, Ourproject, and to the usual collaborators, the Musix project has just released Musix 0.50, whose programs were tested for over 1 month, time that allowed us to solve some problems over Musix 0.49, and to make the more relevant software updates. Musix 0.50 can be consider the more stable and functional Musix version until now, also, 0.50 can update old Musix versions, as instance Musix 0.40 could be updated without re-install all the system. Musix counts with its own software package repository that has been growing. It is hoped to incorporate new software nonavailable in Debian, like mplayer or cinelerra (video edition), or Wired. The Musix project has offered several speeches in different institutions during 2005 and 2006, affirming the commitment with the diffusion of free software among musicians, sound engineers and users in general. Important programs/packages updated * Knoppix-installer was updated (taking parts from Knoppix 5.0.1): Now you can update a single package or a group of packages from your actual Musix installed on HD. As instance, you can upgrade Musix 0.40 to 0.50 without re-install the system. * Rosegarden4 1.2.3 should work ok (record audio without crashing). The problem was in an old .rg file. * Installed: linux-image-2.6.16-1-multimedia-486 from 64studio, Removed kernel-image-2.6.13-1-multimedia-386 from aGNUla/DeMuDi * Gparted installed: it's more updated than qtparted, qtparted was removed. Now the installation process should be better. ==050 New programs/packages installed== * Added better support for desktop in German and Portuguese languages (deb package created with files for icewm and rox-filer). * Traverso 0.30 (A multitrack audio recorder/editor) * Terminatorx 3.82 installed (terminatorX is a realtime audio synthesizer that allows you to "scratch" on digitally sampled audio data). * Created and installed a package with firmware GPL for devices MIDISport/Midiman USB 1x1, 2x2, 4x4, 8x8 y USB-2-MIDI (Steinberg) https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php/EZ-USB * Installed: clearlook theme for GTK2 (Clearlooks GTK+ 2.x engine and theme) and KDE (Clone of GNOME's Clearlooks theme for KDE) * Grubconf was installed (it has a bug) * Icecast was installed (Ogg Vorbis and MP3 streaming media server) ==Others changes== * Improved Video hardware detection * Musix can be installed on Serial ATA hard disks * Added a text console menu created by Francisco Tufro, it also lets you change the video settings, read the User's Manual, and other tasks. * New wallpapers * The system name (Musix GNU/Linux) was corrected into the GRUB boot menu * Added new script for audio card configuration for testing: /etc/init.d/alsasound (apparently it works only with udev). It does not yet participates in the boot process. * The behavior to access to the Admin desktop was changed (stills needs other modifications) * Created "KDE-to-Rox" desktop, which takes icons in kdesktop (of the KDE desktop in ~/Desktop) and transfers them to the desktop using Rox-Filer. Besides, the "complete" KDE desktop can even be initiated from there. * Removed residual configuration files ==Solved problems== Generally speaking, this problems has been solved: * Solved Portuguese keyboard bug in text console? (ln -s /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/pt-latin1.kmap.gz /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/pt.kmap.gz) * Bug fixes into rosegarden+* scripts * KDM (desktop manager) takes too long to launch, solved * After updated GTK, some desktop icons disappear, solved * After the installation, the system reboots Ok ==Known problems in Musix 0.50== * Translation to french, italian and german languages needs more work. * Apparently, the 'bootfrom=' boot parameter ("cheatcode") does not work from the 2.6.16-beyond4.1 kernel. * In some PCs there is a problem with the network configuration that this scrip performs: /etc/init.d/networking A modified script ( /etc/init.d/networking-fix ) was added so that the ones who have this problem can solve it easily. ==Next version, Musix 0.59== * Hundreds of software packages will be updated * ... maybe squashfs will be used into the live-cd (more space to include more software) * a DVD version could be a nice idea :-D -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From julien at c-lab.de Wed Jul 19 13:46:56 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed Jul 19 13:47:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ld.so.conf In-Reply-To: <44BE2D83.3060809@gmx.net> References: <44BE2D83.3060809@gmx.net> Message-ID: Hi! Not directly support, but it seems a good idea to do this, editing your /etc/ld.so.conf. BUT BEWARE IMPORTANT: Kepp your old ld.so.conf present under some other name. If this fails, REALLY fails, you might only be able to use a few statically linked programs. I think you better ensure that cp or mv are statically linked: ldd /usr/bin/cp If it says something like: Not a dynamically linked file, this is ok. Go ahead and try it. Change your ld.so.conf and then again type ldconfig. Kindest regards and good luck! Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From chris.m.simpson at gmail.com Thu Jul 20 00:21:00 2006 From: chris.m.simpson at gmail.com (Chris Simpson) Date: Thu Jul 20 00:20:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel core-duo cpu and realtime patches Message-ID: <1153369260.7340.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> i can successfully compile a 2.6.17.6 kernel with patch-2.6.17-rt7, with ACPI disabled within the kernel .config (and from boot just to be doubly sure), but it still won't boot. the chip is exactly the same (intel core duo T2400). what is the difference between the realtime-lsm patch and the MIngo one? chris From dvenable6 at cox.net Thu Jul 20 00:34:03 2006 From: dvenable6 at cox.net (Devin Venable) Date: Thu Jul 20 00:34:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] freebob mixer? Message-ID: <1153370043.5827.20.camel@dextron.ok.cox.net> > >registered port freebob_pcm:dev1c_SpdifIn L, offset = 2048 > >registered port freebob_pcm:dev1c_SpdifIn R, offset = 4096 > > > >Is there a configuration file somewhere that is picking up > >alsa_pcm:placyback_1? Or is that just a default name that is expected > >to exist. It does not when I run jackd using the freebob driver. > > > > > You should disable the 'connect to default output pair' option in the > hydrogen settings dialog. In any case, this is not a fatal error. You > can still connect the outputs manually with qjackctl or the likes. > > Pieter > Thanks, that worked. I can connect Hydrogen's out_L and out_R to freebob's dev1p_lineOut L and R now, and can run jack. It looks like everything is running but I don't hear any sound coming out of the M-Audio FireWire Solo. In my M-Audio manual, I see a software mixer that allows you to bring levels up and down and mute. I wonder if my soundcared output is just muted? freebob doesn't use alsa, so I can't use alsamixer. What is my alternative? From wagi at monom.org Thu Jul 20 02:27:16 2006 From: wagi at monom.org (Daniel Wagner) Date: Thu Jul 20 02:27:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] freebob mixer? In-Reply-To: <1153370043.5827.20.camel@dextron.ok.cox.net> References: <1153370043.5827.20.camel@dextron.ok.cox.net> Message-ID: <44BF2244.3080301@monom.org> > In my M-Audio manual, I see a software mixer that allows you to bring levels up and down and mute. > I wonder if my soundcared output is just muted? freebob doesn't use alsa, so I can't use alsamixer. > What is my alternative? If the mixer on the device do not have a' good' default value then the answer is none. This is still an open task to be implemented in freebob. daniel From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Jul 20 14:02:49 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Jul 20 14:02:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel core-duo cpu and realtime patches In-Reply-To: <1153369260.7340.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1153369260.7340.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <70a871c80607201102w700d1fe4gbf1496c871fe24dc@mail.gmail.com> On 7/20/06, Chris Simpson wrote: > i can successfully compile a 2.6.17.6 kernel with patch-2.6.17-rt7, with > ACPI disabled within the kernel .config (and from boot just to be doubly > sure), but it still won't boot. the chip is exactly the same (intel core Seems you have to wait. Newest machines can't work properly without acpi. > duo T2400). what is the difference between the realtime-lsm patch and > the MIngo one? That's completely different patches. realtime-lsm helps you to get realtime privileges and realtime-preemp (Ingo's patch) actually tries to make kernel to work in realtime. From kouhia at nic.funet.fi Thu Jul 20 16:05:04 2006 From: kouhia at nic.funet.fi (Juhana Sadeharju) Date: Thu Jul 20 16:05:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Nomad - Nord Modular Editor Message-ID: [ in linux-audio-users, originally in nmedit-devel ] >our first release of Nomad - Nord Modular Editor is now available. It is at http://nmedit.sourceforge.net if that was not mentioned. The Nomad has also a UI builder for building UIs for modules. Check the screenshots and "nomad-ui-editor.jpg". Do we have anything similar? E.g. a collection of audio related widgets for Glade? How Nomad's UI builder could be re-used in other projects? By using it like VSTGUI? By building module UIs for Csound opcodes and writing Csound exporter? I have earlier suggested that Nord Modular modules could be written as Csound instruments, i.e., Nomad + Exporter + Csound == NM clone. One may find several thousands of NM patches from the web. Many of them are advanced and well documented. http://nm-archives.electro-music.com/010_NordModular/014_Interesting_Threads/ Juhana -- http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-graphics-dev for developers of open source graphics software From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Jul 20 19:16:25 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Jul 20 19:30:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Nomad - Nord Modular Editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/21/06, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > > [ in linux-audio-users, originally in nmedit-devel ] > >our first release of Nomad - Nord Modular Editor is now available. > > It is at > http://nmedit.sourceforge.net > if that was not mentioned. > > The Nomad has also a UI builder for building UIs for modules. > Check the screenshots and "nomad-ui-editor.jpg". > Do we have anything similar? E.g. a collection of audio related > widgets for Glade? Quote from the Khagan website: " Khagan is a live user interface builder for controling parameters via OSC. It's mainly aimed at the Om modular synthesizer. " http://khagan.berlios.de You can build a gui using phat widgets and control any OSC accepting app. I.e Build the synth in Om (now called ingen) and then control it using Khagan. It's got a few intersting input options too, like graphics tablet. 5-d input, etc. From pieterp at joow.be Fri Jul 21 03:46:58 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Fri Jul 21 03:47:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel core-duo cpu and realtime patches In-Reply-To: <1153369260.7340.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1153369260.7340.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44C08672.5050005@joow.be> Chris Simpson wrote: > i can successfully compile a 2.6.17.6 kernel with patch-2.6.17-rt7, with Did you try compiling a patched 2.6.17 base version (i.e. no .6)? If I'm not wrong, the -rt patches should be applied to these 'base' versions (or how are they called in official terms), not to the maintenance releases. Pieter From perodog at gmx.net Fri Jul 21 08:19:53 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Fri Jul 21 08:20:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to compile timidity Message-ID: <44C0C669.50401@gmx.net> hi, i am trying to remove from my system all the packages which are depending of the jackd debian package, for being able to run jackd from svn. compiling timidity works, but timidity wonts not to start. the distri version from timidity i used to start with "jacklaunch timidity -ig". now, starting the self-made timidity with the same command gives: nowhiskey@murija2:~$ jacklaunch timidity -ig /usr/local/share/timidity/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory timidity: Can't read any configuration file. Please check /usr/local/share/timidity/timidity.cfg nowhiskey@murija2:~$ in /usr/local/share there is no timidity on my system: nowhiskey@murija2:/usr/share$ whereis timidity timidity: /etc/timidity /usr/local/bin/timidity nowhiskey@murija2: though there are so many additional options for building timidity. perhaps someone is able to give me an example how to configure timidity that it can be started with the command jacklaunch timidity -ig? i tried already with this ./configure --enable-gtk --enable-xskin --enable-alsaseq --with-default-output=jack regards, doc From illth at gmx.de Fri Jul 21 08:31:48 2006 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Fri Jul 21 08:31:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to compile timidity In-Reply-To: <44C0C669.50401@gmx.net> References: <44C0C669.50401@gmx.net> Message-ID: <44C0C934.809@gmx.de> Dragan Noveski wrote: > hi, > i am trying to remove from my system all the packages which are > depending of the jackd debian package, for being able to run jackd > from svn. > compiling timidity works, but timidity wonts not to start. > the distri version from timidity i used to start with "jacklaunch > timidity -ig". > now, starting the self-made timidity with the same command gives: > > nowhiskey@murija2:~$ jacklaunch timidity -ig > /usr/local/share/timidity/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory > timidity: Can't read any configuration file. > Please check /usr/local/share/timidity/timidity.cfg > nowhiskey@murija2:~$ > > > in /usr/local/share there is no timidity on my system: > > nowhiskey@murija2:/usr/share$ whereis timidity > timidity: /etc/timidity /usr/local/bin/timidity > nowhiskey@murija2: [hack] try to make a symlink from /etc/timidity to /usr/local/share/timidity : # cd /usr/local/share # ln -s /etc/timidity . [/hack] you might have to play with the --sysconfdir= parameter to configure. but i don't know. > > > though there are so many additional options for building timidity. > perhaps someone is able to give me an example how to configure > timidity that it can be started with the command jacklaunch timidity -ig? > > i tried already with this > ./configure --enable-gtk --enable-xskin --enable-alsaseq > --with-default-output=jack > > > regards, > doc > > From yves_p at nnx.com Fri Jul 21 08:40:52 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Fri Jul 21 08:41:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to compile timidity In-Reply-To: <44C0C669.50401@gmx.net> References: <44C0C669.50401@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20060721124052.GG2625@localhost> Le 21 Jul ? 14:19, Dragan Noveski ecrivait: > nowhiskey@murija2:~$ jacklaunch timidity -ig > /usr/local/share/timidity/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory > timidity: Can't read any configuration file. > Please check /usr/local/share/timidity/timidity.cfg [...] > nowhiskey@murija2:/usr/share$ whereis timidity > timidity: /etc/timidity /usr/local/bin/timidity You should use locate instead of whereis (with updatedb just before), then find a example config file somewhere. With a Debian package, it should be in /usr/share/doc/timidity. I you have compiled it from source, the example config file must be somewhere in the directory where you compiled the software, if for some reason it was not installed in your system during the main installation. You can also just download the Debian package with apt-get install -d, then uncompress the package with ar x or something (file-roller...) and grab the file. You can also use Google to find a timidity's config file :) Then place this file where timidity asks for it. HTH, Y. From perodog at gmx.net Fri Jul 21 09:02:27 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Fri Jul 21 09:02:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to compile timidity In-Reply-To: <20060721124052.GG2625@localhost> References: <44C0C669.50401@gmx.net> <20060721124052.GG2625@localhost> Message-ID: <44C0D063.9040607@gmx.net> hi, really great help, it was just as easy as you described, timidity starts now with jacklaunch. the .cfg file looks like this: # Instrument configuration file for timidity # $Id: timidity.cfg,v 1.7 2005/09/03 19:26:03 hmh Exp $ # You can change just about every option in TiMidity++ using # This config file. Please refer to the timidity.cfg(5) manpage # for more details ## If you have a slow CPU, uncomment these: #opt EFresamp=d #disable resampling #opt EFvlpf=d #disable VLPF #opt EFreverb=d #disable reverb #opt EFchorus=d #disable chorus #opt EFdelay=d #disable delay #opt no-anti-alias #disable sample anti-aliasing #opt EWPVSETOZ #disable all Midi Controls #opt p32a #default to 32 voices with auto reduction #opt s32kHz #default sample frequency to 32kHz #opt fast-decay #fast decay notes ## If you have a moderate CPU, try these: #opt EFresamp=l #opt EFreverb=g,42 #opt EFchorus=s #opt s32kHz #opt p64a # Disabling some of the Midi Controls can help with the CPU usage a lot. # The same goes to the VLPF, sample anti-aliasing and effects such as # reverb and chorus # By default, try to use the instrument patches from freepats: source /etc/timidity/freepats.cfg i dont know if i should comment out some lines. have to experiment little more with! thanks a lot, doc Yves Potin wrote: > Le 21 Jul ? 14:19, Dragan Noveski ecrivait: > > >> nowhiskey@murija2:~$ jacklaunch timidity -ig >> /usr/local/share/timidity/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory >> timidity: Can't read any configuration file. >> Please check /usr/local/share/timidity/timidity.cfg >> > [...] > >> nowhiskey@murija2:/usr/share$ whereis timidity >> timidity: /etc/timidity /usr/local/bin/timidity >> > > You should use locate instead of whereis (with updatedb just > before), then find a example config file somewhere. With a Debian package, > it should be in /usr/share/doc/timidity. I you have compiled it from > source, the example config file must be somewhere in the directory where > you compiled the software, if for some reason it was not installed in your > system during the main installation. You can also just download the Debian > package with apt-get install -d, then uncompress the package with ar x > or something (file-roller...) and grab the file. > You can also use Google to find a timidity's config file :) > Then place this file where timidity asks for it. > HTH, > > Y. > > > From eric at zhevny.com Fri Jul 21 11:08:56 2006 From: eric at zhevny.com (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Fri Jul 21 11:09:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] New specimen list and home Message-ID: <20060721150856.GP2864@zhevny.com> Hello all, I've set up a mailing list for specimen: http://zhevny.com/mailman/listinfo/specimen Additionally the web site now lives at http://zhevny.com/specimen. This is a minimal re-working of Pete's old site. More improvements to follow. Let me know if anything is badly broken. (I know the guide is broken, but I need to re-do it with new screenshots anyway.) I just changed the dns record for zhevny.com to point to a new host earlier today. The TTL was set to 1 day, so some of you may get pointed to the old box. Let me know if you have any issues, or just try again a little later. Thanks, Eric Rz. From eun.sung at no-log.org Fri Jul 21 17:21:32 2006 From: eun.sung at no-log.org (eun.sung) Date: Fri Jul 21 17:21:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] libfreebob and jack 0.102.20 Message-ID: <44C1455C.3070309@no-log.org> Hi list. I managed to compile libfreebob for my edirol FA66 on ubuntu "almost-breezy", following those instructions : http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/Compiling_from_SVN_HOWTO. But i can't compile jack svn version, which is 0.102.20. Here is the output of the compilation : make[3]: entrant dans le r?pertoire ? /home/mihozu/Appz/jack/drivers/freebob ? if /bin/sh ../../libtool --mode=compile --tag=CC gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I../../config -I../.. -I../.. -D_REENTRANT -D_POSIX_PTHREAD_SEMANTICS -Wall -g -g -O2 -I/usr/include/nptl -I/usr/include/alsa -I../../config -I../.. -I../.. -D_REENTRANT -D_POSIX_PTHREAD_SEMANTICS -Wall -g -g -O2 -I/usr/include/nptl -MT freebob_driver.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/freebob_driver.Tpo" -c -o freebob_driver.lo freebob_driver.c; \ then mv -f ".deps/freebob_driver.Tpo" ".deps/freebob_driver.Plo"; else rm -f ".deps/freebob_driver.Tpo"; exit 1; fi gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I../../config -I../.. -I../.. -D_REENTRANT -D_POSIX_PTHREAD_SEMANTICS -Wall -g -g -O2 -I/usr/include/nptl -I/usr/include/alsa -I../../config -I../.. -I../.. -D_REENTRANT -D_POSIX_PTHREAD_SEMANTICS -Wall -g -g -O2 -I/usr/include/nptl -MT freebob_driver.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/freebob_driver.Tpo -c freebob_driver.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/freebob_driver.o freebob_driver.c: In function 'freebob_driver_attach': freebob_driver.c:70: error: 'freebob_options_t' has no member named 'verbose' freebob_driver.c: In function 'freebob_driver_new': freebob_driver.c:594: warning: implicit declaration of function 'freebob_get_api_version' make[3]: *** [freebob_driver.lo] Erreur 1 make[3]: quittant le r?pertoire ? /home/mihozu/Appz/jack/drivers/freebob ? make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 make[2]: quittant le r?pertoire ? /home/mihozu/Appz/jack/drivers ? make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 make[1]: quittant le r?pertoire ? /home/mihozu/Appz/jack ? make: *** [all] Erreur 2 Could someone please help me? Bye. From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Fri Jul 21 17:26:32 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Fri Jul 21 17:26:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Nomad - Nord Modular Editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1153517192.14939.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 09:16 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > On 7/21/06, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > > > > [ in linux-audio-users, originally in nmedit-devel ] > > >our first release of Nomad - Nord Modular Editor is now available. > > > > It is at > > http://nmedit.sourceforge.net > > if that was not mentioned. > > > > The Nomad has also a UI builder for building UIs for modules. > > Check the screenshots and "nomad-ui-editor.jpg". > > Do we have anything similar? E.g. a collection of audio related > > widgets for Glade? > > Quote from the Khagan website: > " > Khagan is a live user interface builder for controling parameters via > OSC. It's mainly aimed at the Om modular synthesizer. > " > > http://khagan.berlios.de > > You can build a gui using phat widgets and control any OSC accepting > app. I.e Build the synth in Om (now called ingen) and then control it > using Khagan. It's got a few intersting input options too, like > graphics tablet. 5-d input, etc. I'm going to get around to that whole service discovery thing one of these days. Honest. :) -DR- From christhemonkey at gmail.com Fri Jul 21 17:36:53 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Fri Jul 21 17:37:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Request for some recording time Message-ID: <79eea87e0607211436t24349a00p204938bd1ef39e2a@mail.gmail.com> Hey, The other day after a gig with my jazz trio, a lot of people kept asking us whether we had a cd that we could sell to them. So we got thinking, where could we get some studio time.... And then today i thought, i know! I'll ask on the LAU list! Im sure some lovely friendly linux audio user person in the north of England will let us come and do some recording!! Being the poor student types, we dont have the money to purchase any real time in a studio. (and to be honest my studio just wont cut it at all, havent even bothered re-installing jack after upgrading yet...) So yes, anyone who is interested, please let us know! We are based in Sheffield if that helps at all. Any help is appreciated. Chris PS Just had a thought, we are mainly playing stuff from real books (legal ones), is this ok to record and sell? From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Jul 21 19:00:30 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 21 18:46:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noise from USB printer Message-ID: <44C15C8E.4060602@woh.rr.com> Greetings: I hooked up my new HP 6540 printer today, it's a beauty, but it creates a terrible noise through my speakers when it's running. Is this a known problem with USB devices ? Is it a mobo problem ? (This is happening on my old 800 MHz machine.) Short of disconnecting the cable when the printer isn't being used, is there a solution to this trouble ? Best, dp From perodog at gmx.net Fri Jul 21 18:47:15 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Fri Jul 21 18:47:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ld.so.conf In-Reply-To: References: <44BE2D83.3060809@gmx.net> Message-ID: <44C15973.6090608@gmx.net> yeah, i found out that in this file the pat to all the places where libraries are sitting should be given, so i completely change them: usr/X11R6/lib /usr/share/qt3/lib /usr/share/qt4/lib /usr/local/lib /usr/lib /usr/local/kde/lib and everything works good. cheers, doc Julien Claassen wrote: > Hi! > Not directly support, but it seems a good idea to do this, editing your > /etc/ld.so.conf. BUT BEWARE IMPORTANT: Kepp your old ld.so.conf present under > some other name. If this fails, REALLY fails, you might only be able to use a > few statically linked programs. I think you better ensure that cp or mv are > statically linked: > ldd /usr/bin/cp > If it says something like: Not a dynamically linked file, this is ok. > Go ahead and try it. Change your ld.so.conf and then again type ldconfig. > Kindest regards and good luck! > Julien > > -------- > Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) > > ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== > http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide > > > From perodog at gmx.net Fri Jul 21 18:51:33 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Fri Jul 21 18:51:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] probs with ffmpeg Message-ID: <44C15A75.6060007@gmx.net> hi to the list, i just build ffmpeg from svn using this command: ./configure --enable-shared --enable-theora --enable-vorbis --enable-libogg --enable-mp3lame --disable-static all went good and i have now ffmpeg in /usr/local installed, but i am wondering if something is wrong, cause lot of appis can not handle the ffmpeg libs and wants not to compile. xjadeo gives following error on make: nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/xjadeo/xjadeo-0.1.1$ make make all-am make[1]: Entering directory `/home/nowhiskey/software/nove/xjadeo/xjadeo-0.1.1' if gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -g -O2 -MT xjadeo.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/xjadeo.Tpo" \ -c -o xjadeo.o `test -f 'xjadeo.c' || echo './'`xjadeo.c; \ then mv -f ".deps/xjadeo.Tpo" ".deps/xjadeo.Po"; \ else rm -f ".deps/xjadeo.Tpo"; exit 1; \ fi In file included from /usr/local/include/ffmpeg/avutil.h:24, from /usr/local/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:14, from xjadeo.c:51: /usr/local/include/ffmpeg/common.h:158:23: error: bswap.h: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden In file included from /usr/local/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:14, from xjadeo.c:51: /usr/local/include/ffmpeg/avutil.h:29:17: error: log.h: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden In file included from xjadeo.c:51: /usr/local/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:671: error: syntax error before 'AVClass' /usr/local/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2026: error: syntax error before '}' token /usr/local/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2036: error: syntax error before '*' token /usr/local/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2037: error: syntax error before '*' token /usr/local/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2038: error: syntax error before '*' token /usr/local/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2039: error: syntax error before '*' token /usr/local/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2046: error: syntax error before '*' token /usr/local/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2384: error: syntax error before '*' token /usr/local/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2429: error: syntax error before 'AVCodecContext' ... configuring k3b, it says: FFMpeg decoder plugin (decodes wma and others): no You are missing the ffmpeg headers and libraries version 0.4.9 or higher. The ffmpeg audio decoding plugin (decodes wma and others) won't be compiled. i already contacted the maintainers, but cause we dont really come forward, i decide to ask here. there is no ffmpeg-config on my system, i think you get it on debian only using the repository package. mplayer compiled well and it is running. if anyone has an idea what could be wrong, please response. i decided to change my .deb package of jack against a svn self made ones, that is why i am removing lot of packages from my system and installing them myself. cheers, doc From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Fri Jul 21 10:26:19 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Fri Jul 21 19:11:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] New specimen list and home In-Reply-To: <20060721150856.GP2864@zhevny.com> References: <20060721150856.GP2864@zhevny.com> Message-ID: <200607211626.19601.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El Viernes, 21 de Julio de 2006 17:08, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki escribi?: > Hello all, > > I've set up a mailing list for specimen: > http://zhevny.com/mailman/listinfo/specimen > > Additionally the web site now lives at http://zhevny.com/specimen. > This is a minimal re-working of Pete's old site. More improvements to > follow. Let me know if anything is badly broken. (I know the guide is > broken, but I need to re-do it with new screenshots anyway.) > > I just changed the dns record for zhevny.com to point to a new host > earlier today. The TTL was set to 1 day, so some of you may get > pointed to the old box. Let me know if you have any issues, or just > try again a little later. > > Thanks, > Eric Rz. Thanks! hey, I have some patches made with specimen, what could we do? Are you saving there those kind of whings? -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From aaron at nquit.com Fri Jul 21 20:29:54 2006 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron J. Trumm) Date: Fri Jul 21 19:26:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Gear for auction In-Reply-To: <44C15C8E.4060602@woh.rr.com> References: <44C15C8E.4060602@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1153528195.22905.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Once again, this is the group I always figure might be interested in gear for sale: Cassette Deck: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&ih=012&item=220009312628&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Tube Pre Amp: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&ih=012&item=220009710599&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Tone Module: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&ih=012&item=220009715258&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Drum Machine: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&ih=012&item=220009718401&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Cheers! -- Aaron From wsynth at gjcp.net Fri Jul 21 19:35:10 2006 From: wsynth at gjcp.net (Gordon JC Pearce) Date: Fri Jul 21 19:35:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New version of nekobee Message-ID: <1153524910.12154.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi all, I've just finished another version of my bass synth plugin. Now continuous controllers work (actual controller numbers are hardcoded for now), with the possible exception of "Decay" which works backwards. It's a feature, not a bug. Or is it? http://www.gjcp.net/nekobee-0.1.5.tar.gz Download, build and enjoy all that lovely squishy acidy goodness. Please report any problems you have building or using it to me. Gordon. From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Jul 21 20:29:24 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Jul 21 20:29:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noise from USB printer In-Reply-To: <44C15C8E.4060602@woh.rr.com> References: <44C15C8E.4060602@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607211729v309fa025j46a68a092779c02d@mail.gmail.com> Ground loop problem? As a test only, what happens if you unplug power on the printer, or turn the printer off? If it is a ground loop issue - I did hear of this recently with a USB hard drive I think - then possibly it's a cable issue or maybe you could stuck a USB hub in the middle to break the loop? (Just guessing!) ;-) On the off chance it's something more nefarious, what are the relative IRQ priorities of the USB controller vs. the sound card? I Assume the sound card's IRQ has a high realtime priority? If not, and it's lower than USB, then possibly there is some strange interaction. I've never run into anything like that with USB, but I have with other devices like a mouse, etc. Hope this helps. (not holding my breath!) ;-) Cheers, Mark On 7/21/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > I hooked up my new HP 6540 printer today, it's a beauty, but it > creates a terrible noise through my speakers when it's running. Is this > a known problem with USB devices ? Is it a mobo problem ? (This is > happening on my old 800 MHz machine.) > > Short of disconnecting the cable when the printer isn't being used, is > there a solution to this trouble ? > > Best, > > dp > > From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Fri Jul 21 22:09:29 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Fri Jul 21 22:08:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsamixer blackart (emu10k1). Message-ID: <44C188D9.9060202@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I know this is not the most suited place to ask this, but I'm no longer subscribed to the ALSA mailing list, so... I hope you can help me. I have recently ran into a "problem" with my old emu10k1 card and its mixer values... Using speaker-test I don't seem able to get proper 4+ channel support. What I get is simply the front stream being "cloned" to the rear speakers I remember I had this working not too long ago, but I don't remember how I did it or which options I had in alsamixer. By the way this is a Sound Blaster Live! Value card, and physically everything is connected properly. TIA for any suggestions. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEwYjZXM+XOp70dwoRAua3AJ0U7XojykkYgGxOC8GoNMJwhjx3BgCfWPrw Flbch7AmUGuqsM4+19BgPoI= =1LCT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From perodog at gmx.net Sat Jul 22 06:50:10 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Sat Jul 22 06:50:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] bootstrap? Message-ID: <44C202E2.40407@gmx.net> hi you all, trying to compile faac, the file INSTALL says: 3. Run: ./bootstrap ./configure make make install but my machine does not knows the command "bootstrap", so my question is, does anybody knows in which package i can find this? cheers, doc From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Jul 22 07:28:21 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Jul 22 07:14:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noise from USB printer In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607211729v309fa025j46a68a092779c02d@mail.gmail.com> References: <44C15C8E.4060602@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607211729v309fa025j46a68a092779c02d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44C20BD5.9030308@woh.rr.com> Hi Mark : > Ground loop problem? As a test only, what happens if you unplug power > on the printer, or turn the printer off? Same noise. It stops if I pull either the power or the USB cable. > If it is a ground loop issue - I did hear of this recently with a USB > hard drive I think - then possibly it's a cable issue or maybe you > could stuck a USB hub in the middle to break the loop? (Just > guessing!) ;-) I tried sticking a hub between the machine and the printer, it didn't reduce the noise at all. :( I'm going to visit our brand-new Wal Mart to look for a noise-suppressive cable. > On the off chance it's something more nefarious, what are the relative > IRQ priorities of the USB controller vs. the sound card? I Assume the > sound card's IRQ has a high realtime priority? If not, and it's lower > than USB, then possibly there is some strange interaction. I've never > run into anything like that with USB, but I have with other devices > like a mouse, etc. Here's the output from lspci and /proc/interrupts on the offending machine : Output from lspci: 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133] (rev 02) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133 AGP] 00:07.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super South] (rev 22) 00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 10) 00:07.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 10) 00:07.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 10) 00:07.4 Bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI] (rev 30) 00:10.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX [Linksys EtherFast 10/100] (rev 25) 00:12.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08) 00:12.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 08) 00:14.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2) Output from 'cat /proc/interrupts' : CPU0 0: 62304648 XT-PIC timer 1: 5639 XT-PIC i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 3: 127 XT-PIC EMU10K1 5: 9043743 XT-PIC ICE1712, uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2 7: 1 XT-PIC parport0 8: 4 XT-PIC rtc 11: 63698 XT-PIC eth0 12: 537858 XT-PIC i8042 14: 46717 XT-PIC ide0 15: 23 XT-PIC ide1 NMI: 0 LOC: 0 ERR: 0 MIS: 0 I'm concerned by the USB and ICE1712 sharing the same IRQ. How do I reassign the interrupt ? Best, dp From pieterp at joow.be Sat Jul 22 08:03:02 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Sat Jul 22 08:04:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] libfreebob and jack 0.102.20 In-Reply-To: <44C1455C.3070309@no-log.org> References: <44C1455C.3070309@no-log.org> Message-ID: <44C213F6.3040707@joow.be> eun.sung wrote: > Hi list. > > I managed to compile libfreebob for my edirol FA66 on ubuntu > "almost-breezy", following those instructions : > http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/Compiling_from_SVN_HOWTO. > > But i can't compile jack svn version, which is 0.102.20. Here is the > output of the compilation : > > make[3]: entrant dans le r?pertoire ? > /home/mihozu/Appz/jack/drivers/freebob ? > if /bin/sh ../../libtool --mode=compile --tag=CC gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. > -I. -I../.. -I../../config -I../.. -I../.. -D_REENTRANT > -D_POSIX_PTHREAD_SEMANTICS -Wall -g -g -O2 -I/usr/include/nptl > -I/usr/include/alsa -I../../config -I../.. -I../.. -D_REENTRANT > -D_POSIX_PTHREAD_SEMANTICS -Wall -g -g -O2 -I/usr/include/nptl -MT > freebob_driver.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/freebob_driver.Tpo" -c -o > freebob_driver.lo freebob_driver.c; \ > then mv -f ".deps/freebob_driver.Tpo" ".deps/freebob_driver.Plo"; else > rm -f ".deps/freebob_driver.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I../../config -I../.. -I../.. > -D_REENTRANT -D_POSIX_PTHREAD_SEMANTICS -Wall -g -g -O2 > -I/usr/include/nptl -I/usr/include/alsa -I../../config -I../.. -I../.. > -D_REENTRANT -D_POSIX_PTHREAD_SEMANTICS -Wall -g -g -O2 > -I/usr/include/nptl -MT freebob_driver.lo -MD -MP -MF > .deps/freebob_driver.Tpo -c freebob_driver.c -fPIC -DPIC -o > .libs/freebob_driver.o > freebob_driver.c: In function 'freebob_driver_attach': > freebob_driver.c:70: error: 'freebob_options_t' has no member named > 'verbose' > freebob_driver.c: In function 'freebob_driver_new': > freebob_driver.c:594: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'freebob_get_api_version' > make[3]: *** [freebob_driver.lo] Erreur 1 > make[3]: quittant le r?pertoire ? /home/mihozu/Appz/jack/drivers/freebob ? > make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 > make[2]: quittant le r?pertoire ? /home/mihozu/Appz/jack/drivers ? > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 > make[1]: quittant le r?pertoire ? /home/mihozu/Appz/jack ? > make: *** [all] Erreur 2 > > Could someone please help me? > You compiled an old version of libfreebob. Can you output the result of: 'pkg-config --modversion libfreebob'? Greets, Pieter From pieterp at joow.be Sat Jul 22 08:11:24 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Sat Jul 22 08:11:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noise from USB printer In-Reply-To: <44C20BD5.9030308@woh.rr.com> References: <44C15C8E.4060602@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607211729v309fa025j46a68a092779c02d@mail.gmail.com> <44C20BD5.9030308@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44C215EC.1040309@joow.be> Dave Phillips wrote: > Hi Mark : > >> Ground loop problem? As a test only, what happens if you unplug power >> on the printer, or turn the printer off? > > Same noise. It stops if I pull either the power or the USB cable. Is the noise only present when printing, or also when the printer is idle? > >> If it is a ground loop issue - I did hear of this recently with a USB >> hard drive I think - then possibly it's a cable issue or maybe you >> could stuck a USB hub in the middle to break the loop? (Just >> guessing!) ;-) > > I tried sticking a hub between the machine and the printer, it didn't > reduce the noise at all. :( That isn't very surprising as the ground will just be connected through. What you can do to test whether it is a ground loop is interrupting the ground connection of the power plug (e.g. by wrapping some non-conductive tape around the pin). If the noise stops, you have a ground loop. Don't use this as a solution to your ground loop however, as it is probably against regulations and is also pretty unsafe regarding electric shocks. If it is a ground loop, it is pretty difficult to solve. It's badly designed hardware. You could try to plug your printer into the same power outlet as the machine. Greets, Pieter From fbar at footils.org Sat Jul 22 08:44:05 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Jul 22 08:44:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] bootstrap? In-Reply-To: <44C202E2.40407@gmx.net> References: <44C202E2.40407@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20060722124405.GE3465@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Dragan Noveski hat gesagt: // Dragan Noveski wrote: > trying to compile faac, the file INSTALL says: > > > 3. Run: > ./bootstrap > ./configure > make > make install > > > but my machine does not knows the command "bootstrap", so my question > is, does anybody knows in which package i can find this? There should be a file "bootstrap" inside the faac-sources That's indicated by the way, bootstrap is called here: with the current directory in the command line ("./bootstrap" instead of just "bootstrap"). Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From jh at brainiac.com Sat Jul 22 08:46:42 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Sat Jul 22 08:47:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] bootstrap? In-Reply-To: <44C202E2.40407@gmx.net> References: <44C202E2.40407@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20060722084642.684ddf74.jh@brainiac.com> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:50:10 +0200 Dragan Noveski wrote: > 3. Run: > ./bootstrap > > but my machine does not knows the command "bootstrap", so my question > is, does anybody knows in which package i can find this? bootstrap should be an executable script in the top level directory of the faac source tree. You can try "sh ./bootstrap" and see if that helps. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Jul 22 09:26:10 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Jul 22 09:12:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noise from USB printer In-Reply-To: <44C215EC.1040309@joow.be> References: <44C15C8E.4060602@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607211729v309fa025j46a68a092779c02d@mail.gmail.com> <44C20BD5.9030308@woh.rr.com> <44C215EC.1040309@joow.be> Message-ID: <44C22772.50306@woh.rr.com> Pieter Palmers wrote: > Is the noise only present when printing, or also when the printer is > idle? Noise is there whether the printer is turned on or not. It disappears only when one or another of the cables are disconnected. > What you can do to test whether it is a ground loop is interrupting > the ground connection of the power plug (e.g. by wrapping some > non-conductive tape around the pin). If the noise stops, you have a > ground loop. Don't use this as a solution to your ground loop however, > as it is probably against regulations and is also pretty unsafe > regarding electric shocks. > > If it is a ground loop, it is pretty difficult to solve. It's badly > designed hardware. You could try to plug your printer into the same > power outlet as the machine. The printer is plugged into the same strip as the machine. I tried lifting the ground, the noise was undiminished. Next I'll try reprioritizing the interrupts, as soon as I can get irqtune built. Or is there other software I should try ? Linux 2.6 kernel, Debian Etch. Best, dp From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sat Jul 22 09:24:19 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sat Jul 22 09:23:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noise from USB printer In-Reply-To: <44C22772.50306@woh.rr.com> References: <44C15C8E.4060602@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607211729v309fa025j46a68a092779c02d@mail.gmail.com> <44C20BD5.9030308@woh.rr.com> <44C215EC.1040309@joow.be> <44C22772.50306@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060722132419.GA5895@linux-1.site> On Sat, Jul 22, 2006 at 09:26:10AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Pieter Palmers wrote: > > >Is the noise only present when printing, or also when the printer is > >idle? > > Noise is there whether the printer is turned on or not. It disappears > only when one or another of the cables are disconnected. Then it's probably not related to interrupts etc. Are you sure the ground connections of your audio cable and amplifier are OK ? -- FA Follie! Follie! Delirio vano e' questo! From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Jul 22 09:57:14 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Jul 22 09:43:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noise from USB printer In-Reply-To: <20060722132419.GA5895@linux-1.site> References: <44C15C8E.4060602@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607211729v309fa025j46a68a092779c02d@mail.gmail.com> <44C20BD5.9030308@woh.rr.com> <44C215EC.1040309@joow.be> <44C22772.50306@woh.rr.com> <20060722132419.GA5895@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <44C22EBA.60405@woh.rr.com> Fons Adriaensen wrote: >>Noise is there whether the printer is turned on or not. It disappears >>only when one or another of the cables are disconnected. >> >> > >Then it's probably not related to interrupts etc. > >Are you sure the ground connections of your audio cable and >amplifier are OK ? > Sure, they've been fine, I've had no similar trouble until I added this printer (recommended by linuxprinting.org). I haven't tried switching the M-Audio card slot yet, it's my next move. Best, dp From julien at c-lab.de Sat Jul 22 10:08:18 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sat Jul 22 10:08:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsamixer blackart (emu10k1). In-Reply-To: <44C188D9.9060202@prodigy.net.mx> References: <44C188D9.9060202@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: Hi! I think there's some option like "copy front to rear" or "dupplicate front", at least something close enough. I think you would find this in between or shortly after the other "3d-control" options in your alsamixer. HTH. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From perodog at gmx.net Sat Jul 22 10:51:21 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Sat Jul 22 10:51:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] bootstrap? In-Reply-To: <20060722084642.684ddf74.jh@brainiac.com> References: <44C202E2.40407@gmx.net> <20060722084642.684ddf74.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <44C23B69.7040905@gmx.net> hi, that works and it works good, even without "su"! cheers, doc Joe Hartley wrote: > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:50:10 +0200 > Dragan Noveski wrote: > >> 3. Run: >> ./bootstrap >> >> but my machine does not knows the command "bootstrap", so my question >> is, does anybody knows in which package i can find this? >> > > bootstrap should be an executable script in the top level directory > of the faac source tree. You can try "sh ./bootstrap" and see if that > helps. > > From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Sat Jul 22 11:39:05 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Sat Jul 22 11:38:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsamixer blackart (emu10k1). In-Reply-To: References: <44C188D9.9060202@prodigy.net.mx> <"Pine.LNX.4.53.0607221606580.24 062"@alene.c-lab.de> Message-ID: <44C24699.9060106@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Julien Claassen escribi?: > Hi! > I think there's some option like "copy front to rear" or "dupplicate front", > at least something close enough. I think you would find this in between or > shortly after the other "3d-control" options in your alsamixer. > HTH. > Kindest regards > Julien > > -------- > Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) > > ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== > http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide > Thanks for the reply. It turned out to be a misspelled command... I was simply using speaker-test -c 4 on the default alsa device, but I had to specifically say I wanted the surround40 one, like so: speaker-test -D pcm.surround40 -c 4 wav And it worked wonderfully. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEwkaYXM+XOp70dwoRApDSAJ9PeWefN0F1WwmodtTwcXjns8kyxACdHgql HJ0bPYTrhlZF0NbCRuIphaY= =VNbZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From perodog at gmx.net Sat Jul 22 11:52:36 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Sat Jul 22 11:52:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] compiling faad2 on debian Message-ID: <44C249C4.3020201@gmx.net> hi to the list, has anybody being successful in building faad" on a debian-testing machine. i tried several versions of it (2.2 and cvs2004), but all not works. is there any experience about these issue here? cheers, doc From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jul 22 12:17:36 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jul 22 12:17:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noise from USB printer In-Reply-To: <44C20BD5.9030308@woh.rr.com> References: <44C15C8E.4060602@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607211729v309fa025j46a68a092779c02d@mail.gmail.com> <44C20BD5.9030308@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1153585056.17115.119.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 07:28 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > I'm concerned by the USB and ICE1712 sharing the same IRQ. How do I > reassign the interrupt ? Move the ICE1712 to a different PCI slot. I agree with FA that the interrupts are not likely to be related to this problem, but it might help anyway if the problem is EMI. Lee From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Jul 22 12:41:04 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Jul 22 12:27:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noise from USB printer In-Reply-To: <1153585056.17115.119.camel@mindpipe> References: <44C15C8E.4060602@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607211729v309fa025j46a68a092779c02d@mail.gmail.com> <44C20BD5.9030308@woh.rr.com> <1153585056.17115.119.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44C25520.6050701@woh.rr.com> Lee Revell wrote: >On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 07:28 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >>I'm concerned by the USB and ICE1712 sharing the same IRQ. How do I >>reassign the interrupt ? >> >> > >Move the ICE1712 to a different PCI slot. I agree with FA that the >interrupts are not likely to be related to this problem, but it might >help anyway if the problem is EMI. > > Thanks, Lee, I plan to do it later this afternoon. I've also ordered a Monster USB cable made for EMI suppression, we'll see if that helps. Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Jul 22 14:34:03 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Jul 22 14:20:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noise from USB printer In-Reply-To: <44C25520.6050701@woh.rr.com> References: <44C15C8E.4060602@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607211729v309fa025j46a68a092779c02d@mail.gmail.com> <44C20BD5.9030308@woh.rr.com> <1153585056.17115.119.camel@mindpipe> <44C25520.6050701@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44C26F9B.6000004@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Okay, I swapped slots between the Delta 66 and my Ethernet card. My machine wouldn't boot, no idea why, other than it's a crappy machine that sometimes does stuff like that. So I pulled out the Delta (it's going in the new machine anyway) and put the Ethernet card back in its former slot. The machine booted, and 'cat /proc/interrupts' confirmed that the soundcard (an SBLive Value) is on IRQ5 and the USB ports are on IRQ 3. The noise from the printer is still present, but not so loud now. Also, there's no added noise when the printer is working. Formerly it made even more noise while printing. Eventually I'd like to add this printer to my new box. I'm curious to hear what happens then... As always, muchas gracias to everyone who replied to the topic. Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Jul 22 15:09:26 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Jul 22 14:55:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noise from USB printer In-Reply-To: <44C26F9B.6000004@woh.rr.com> References: <44C15C8E.4060602@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607211729v309fa025j46a68a092779c02d@mail.gmail.com> <44C20BD5.9030308@woh.rr.com> <1153585056.17115.119.camel@mindpipe> <44C25520.6050701@woh.rr.com> <44C26F9B.6000004@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44C277E6.2090801@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Btw, I noted that the UHCI controller for the machine is listed as USB version 1.10, the printer is listed as version 2.0. Is that meaningful wrt the noise coming through the speakers ? Best, dp From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Jul 22 15:04:16 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Jul 22 15:04:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noise from USB printer In-Reply-To: <44C277E6.2090801@woh.rr.com> References: <44C15C8E.4060602@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0607211729v309fa025j46a68a092779c02d@mail.gmail.com> <44C20BD5.9030308@woh.rr.com> <1153585056.17115.119.camel@mindpipe> <44C25520.6050701@woh.rr.com> <44C26F9B.6000004@woh.rr.com> <44C277E6.2090801@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607221204r6e1f3b0cg9b07bd3e844a91e5@mail.gmail.com> It should not matter. If your printer is USB 2.0 then it's able to run faster than USB 1.1. However 2.0 devices usually work fine on 1.1 controllers by just running as per the old spec. Backward compatibility. - Mark On 7/22/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > Btw, I noted that the UHCI controller for the machine is listed as USB > version 1.10, the printer is listed as version 2.0. > > Is that meaningful wrt the noise coming through the speakers ? > > Best, > > dp > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jul 22 16:35:43 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jul 22 16:35:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Alsa-user] alsa well supported Core 2 Duo/Extreme Motherboard sound? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1153600544.17115.150.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 09:20 +0100, Andrew Lyon wrote: > spdif output and hardware mixing including spdif is a must, I have > purchased a couple of systems in the past year which appeared (from > reading the alsa soundcard matrix) to be fully supported by alsa, but > I had problems with broken spdif output, lack of hardware mixer etc. > VIA makes the only onboard chipset that supports hardware mixing. All HDA intel stuff has no hardware mixing. I'm not sure if there are any devices that support hardware mixing via SPDIF. (Lack of hardware mixer is a hardware limitation not an ALSA bug) Lee From prg at ichthyostega.de Sat Jul 22 23:06:47 2006 From: prg at ichthyostega.de (Hermann Vosseler) Date: Sat Jul 22 23:06:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME Multiface II In-Reply-To: <20674.12.175.230.37.1152818826.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> References: <87ejwplwk9.fsf@mixandgo.ro> <20674.12.175.230.37.1152818826.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> Message-ID: <44C2E7C7.8080105@ichthyostega.de> Link Swanson wrote: > Mine works perfectly with CCRMA/FC5 Jack/Ardour/JAMin > Second that. Mine works perfectly with http://64studio.com/ on AMD64 as well on a ASUS Laptop with Ubuntu Drapper and some additional Packages from DeMuDi. And yes, I have to open the GUI Mixer first, ere I get no sound at all. For 96kHz, I have to open the HDSPConf gui application as well and switch the Hardware to 96kHz. Cheers, Hermann PS: does anyone know, what are the future plans of linux support by RME? PCMCIA is vanishing very fast today.... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060723/b5799f43/signature.bin From groups at xscd.com Sun Jul 23 02:57:24 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Sun Jul 23 02:57:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music Message-ID: <20060723065724.GB7048@xscd.com> Hello all-- It feels good to finally get back to composing and recording a little. I've been working on an old piece I never finished. The draft audio files are here: Blues in C 1 OGG http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-1.ogg MP3 http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-1.mp3 Usually I record the audio directly into Ardour or Audacity, but this time I recorded the MIDI performance instead, into Rosegarden (I also like Muse very much), then played back the slightly cleaned up MIDI file and recorded the audio produced by the tone generator (a rack-mounted Roland Fantom XR) that was being "played" by the MIDI file, which is here: Blues in C 1, MIDI (standard MIDI file type 1) http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/midi/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-1_version-2.mid A much older version of Blues in C 1, MIDI file: http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/midi/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-1_version-1.mid My Blues in C 2, a more recent composition that I finished and recorded before finishing Blues in C 1: http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-2.ogg http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-2.mp3 Both of these "blues in C major" were created with one original idea: to take a standard, bare-bones, dirt-simple blues progression in C (tonic/subdominant/dominant "1, 4, 5" song) and try to do something "interesting" with it, but retaining the essential skeleton of the blues in C major. In Blues in C 1, I aimed for putting in a different "passing chord" for every beat of every bar, only briefly landing on C, F and G at their mandatory times. For Blues in C 2, the more recent composition but the first to be completed and recorded, the idea and intent remained the same, but the technique I used was to have a bass line that shifted all around the C, F and G which formed the piece's structure, and that technique allowed for some interesting melodic composition. Anyway, I hope everybody's doing well-- Steve Doonan New Mexico US -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one. -Charles Mackay ---------------------------------------------------------------- From jordan at jdnash.org Sun Jul 23 03:23:12 2006 From: jordan at jdnash.org (Jordan Nash) Date: Sun Jul 23 03:23:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music In-Reply-To: <20060723065724.GB7048@xscd.com> References: <20060723065724.GB7048@xscd.com> Message-ID: <1153639393.2638.6.camel@jordan.nash.net> I downloaded and listened to http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-1.ogg and http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-2.ogg . They both sound really good. blues-in-c-1.ogg: Sounds very much like a real grand piano being recorded professionally. Very nice. blues-in-c-2.ogg: Sounds a bit more like MIDI. I don't hear as much expression from the flute. If a synth is being used, it sounds VERY nice and lifelike. By the way, which license are you planning to release these under? -Jordan On Sun, 2006-07-23 at 00:57 -0600, Steve D wrote: > Hello all-- > > It feels good to finally get back to composing and recording a little. > I've been working on an old piece I never finished. The draft audio > files are here: > > Blues in C 1 > OGG > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-1.ogg > > MP3 > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-1.mp3 > > Usually I record the audio directly into Ardour or Audacity, but this > time I recorded the MIDI performance instead, into Rosegarden (I also like > Muse very much), then played back the slightly cleaned up MIDI file and > recorded the audio produced by the tone generator (a rack-mounted Roland > Fantom XR) that was being "played" by the MIDI file, which is here: > > Blues in C 1, MIDI (standard MIDI file type 1) > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/midi/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-1_version-2.mid > > A much older version of Blues in C 1, MIDI file: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/midi/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-1_version-1.mid > > My Blues in C 2, a more recent composition that I finished and recorded > before finishing Blues in C 1: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-2.ogg > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-2.mp3 > > Both of these "blues in C major" were created with one original idea: to > take a standard, bare-bones, dirt-simple blues progression in C > (tonic/subdominant/dominant "1, 4, 5" song) and try to do something > "interesting" with it, but retaining the essential skeleton of the blues > in C major. In Blues in C 1, I aimed for putting in a different "passing > chord" for every beat of every bar, only briefly landing on C, F and G > at their mandatory times. For Blues in C 2, the more recent composition > but the first to be completed and recorded, the idea and intent remained > the same, but the technique I used was to have a bass line that shifted > all around the C, F and G which formed the piece's structure, and that > technique allowed for some interesting melodic composition. > > Anyway, I hope everybody's doing well-- > > Steve Doonan > New Mexico US From t_w_ at freenet.de Sun Jul 23 04:08:29 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sun Jul 23 04:08:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music In-Reply-To: <20060723065724.GB7048@xscd.com> References: <20060723065724.GB7048@xscd.com> Message-ID: <20060723080829.GA7281@charly.SWORD> On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 12:57:24AM -0600, Steve D wrote: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-1.ogg Beautyful. Sounds very 'real' :) > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-2.ogg Much of this one sounds very familiar, like I listened to it already in the past. Not necessarily a bad thing. Feels like early morning, gentle sunshine, but interesting things could happen later on the day :) Thanks for sharing. -- Thorsten Wilms From groups at xscd.com Sun Jul 23 09:39:54 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Sun Jul 23 09:40:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music In-Reply-To: <20060723080829.GA7281@charly.SWORD> References: <20060723065724.GB7048@xscd.com> <20060723080829.GA7281@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060723133954.GA2358@xscd.com> On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 10:08:29AM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 12:57:24AM -0600, Steve D wrote: > > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-1.ogg > > Beautyful. Sounds very 'real' :) > > > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-2.ogg > > > Much of this one sounds very familiar, like I listened to it already > in the past. Not necessarily a bad thing. Feels like early morning, > gentle sunshine, but interesting things could happen later on the day :) Thank you Thorsten, Jordan for you comments. The Blues in C 2 may sound familiar because I composed/recorded and posted the result to the Linux Audio Users' email list before, maybe a year ago. Since that time, several people asked me, since that piece was labeled "2," whether there was a "blues in C" number 1, and one man in the Phillipines heard an old MIDI file of the unfinished first "blues" and asked me for an MP3 of it. Those queries made me dig up this 20 year old piece and begin to work on it again. I posted the links to both Blues in C's just because both pieces were composed with the same original idea, to start with a strict, simple 1-4-5 blues progression and see how much I could do and how far I could go with the progression while still maintaining and not discarding the progression itself. ;-) A photo of my original chord chart for Blues in C 2 (originally named just "Steve's Blues") is at the following location if anyone cares to see it. (The "7-6" that follows some of the chord names was my way of indicating to myself that the voicing of that major or minor (depending on "M" or "m") 7th chord should also contain the 6th. The minus sign did not indicate a flatted-6th/augmented-5th. http://www.xscd.com/pub/pics/steves-blues-1-chart.jpg It was fun recording to MIDI format first, and then digital audio. I think I'm going to do more of that. Speaking of which, is there anyone who has a completed 2-4 minute Hydrogen or MIDI percussion track they might be willing to share with me? I would love to improvise/compose some piano music to someone else's drums. I have done this with Thorsten, with digital-audio, but I would enjoy doing something similar with a strictly MIDI or Hydrogen percussion track. Best wishes, Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- He is a fine friend. He stabs you in the front. -Leonard Louis Levinson ---------------------------------------------------------------- From groups at xscd.com Sun Jul 23 10:10:33 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Sun Jul 23 10:10:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music In-Reply-To: <1153639393.2638.6.camel@jordan.nash.net> References: <20060723065724.GB7048@xscd.com> <1153639393.2638.6.camel@jordan.nash.net> Message-ID: <20060723141033.GA2900@xscd.com> On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 03:23:12AM -0400, Jordan Nash wrote: > I downloaded and listened to > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-1.ogg > blues-in-c-1.ogg: > Sounds very much like a real grand piano being recorded professionally. > Very nice. For the piano sound I used my favorite piano samples, William Coakley's "Perfect Piano V": http://williamcoakley.com/piano.php?product=V These samples are a little expensive, but not really much more than the alternatives: a ROM add-on card that can be installed in a hardware tone generator or synthesizer, or a "virtual instrument" plugin for computer software such as Synthogy's Ivory. I have tried both myself (and own Roland's SRX-02 "Concert Piano" add-on card which I never use anymore--anybody with a Roland Fantom want it?) and have listened to demo audio files of countless highly touted piano samples, but to me William Coakley's samples sound the best. They are really superior, beautiful piano samples on CD that can be loaded onto a compact flash card which can be inserted into a Roland Fantom series keyboard, or a Yamaha Motif series (I use a Roland FantomXR rack-mounted tone generator). > blues-in-c-2.ogg: > Sounds a bit more like MIDI. I don't hear as much expression from the > flute. If a synth is being used, it sounds VERY nice and lifelike. Blues in C 2 was recorded as digital-audio, using a patch on my old GeneralMusic RealPiano Expander tone module for the piano/choir sound, and one of the many nice flute patches on the Roland FantomXR, played onto a second track in Ardour using my 88-key MIDI keyboard (a Yamaha P-90; I love Yamaha's particular weighted, hammer-action keboard). > By the way, which license are you planning to release these under? I tagged both the MP3 and OGG files with the Creative Commons non-commercial, attribution, share-alike license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ In truth, I really don't care how people use my files or my music, so perhaps I should have left off the "non-commercial" stipulation. I'm just happy if people listen to and use my music at all. ;-) Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Gardening Rule: When weeding, the best way to make sure you are removing a weed and not a valuable plant to pull on it. If it comes out of the ground easily, it is a valuable plant. ---------------------------------------------------------------- From t_w_ at freenet.de Sun Jul 23 10:58:45 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sun Jul 23 10:58:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: FM Casserole Message-ID: <20060723145845.GB7281@charly.SWORD> Hi! Chemicaly processed space-casserole, including FM-Synthesis, ancient coke-can-drumming and mangled samples, all in 6/4: http://www.archive.org/details/fm_casserole Once again it's Om, which will be gloriously reborn as Ingen someday, MusE and Sweep. I think it's crazy stuff, hope others think so to ;) This time I put a flac up and left it to the archive to generate Ogg and MP3. Sadly only Title and Author tags are set. Can't be bothered to replace the files just because of that, just thought I mention it for whoever else might upload to the archive :) Source files available on request. Reviews would make me happy ;) -- Thorsten Wilms From downerczx at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 13:55:20 2006 From: downerczx at yahoo.com (DCZX) Date: Sun Jul 23 13:56:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Rock Star (Ardour Interview) Message-ID: <20060723175520.61256.qmail@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've updated my blog, Linux Rock Star (http://linuxrockstar.blogspot.com) with an interview with Sampo Savolainen, one of the Ardour developers. Come check it out! thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From downerczx at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 15:42:36 2006 From: downerczx at yahoo.com (DCZX) Date: Sun Jul 23 15:42:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Vocoder (?) Message-ID: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone know of a good vocoder app or plugin? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From julien at c-lab.de Sun Jul 23 16:51:08 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun Jul 23 16:51:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Vocoder (?) In-Reply-To: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi! I think Steve Harris once made a vocoder LADSPA-plugin. If it wasn't him, it was some other guy, it should still belinked from Dave'spage: http://linux-sound.org See the audio plugins secition. Another good one is csound. There is a UDO (User defined opcode). It is really simple to use. If you're interested I - or most certainly someone else - could mail you a csound script to do the trick. The csound vocoder can have as many bands as your machine allows (I once did it with 3200 bnads, but I couldn't pull that one off in realtime... :-)) Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From pieterp at joow.be Sun Jul 23 17:21:43 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Sun Jul 23 17:21:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Vocoder (?) In-Reply-To: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44C3E867.80904@joow.be> http://www.sirlab.de/linux/download_vocoder.html DCZX wrote: > Does anyone know of a good vocoder app or plugin? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From mayouan at isonews2.com Sun Jul 23 19:24:41 2006 From: mayouan at isonews2.com (Johan Mattsson) Date: Sun Jul 23 19:34:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Vocoder (?) In-Reply-To: <44C3E867.80904@joow.be> References: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C3E867.80904@joow.be> Message-ID: <44C40539.3060402@isonews2.com> DCZX wrote: >> Does anyone know of a good vocoder app or plugin? >> Pieter Palmers wrote: > http://www.sirlab.de/linux/download_vocoder.html This is a nice program, but there is some problems with it, the stand alone application does not have support for JACK. It is desirable since JACK makes it a lot easier to plug a soft synths as formant. The LADSPA plugin could do this with inserted to a program (e.g AMS) but I wanted a more flexible approach so I thought it was a good idea using it with JACK-RACK. This is not possible because JACK-RACK assumes that every plugin has equally many input as output ports. I changed the LADSPA-plugin so it registers two outputports and therfore works with JACK-RACK. Further more have I added some LADSPA_HINTS that suggests appropriate default values, however JACK-RACK seems not to be able to handle the controls in a proper way, but as far as I understand is my changes valid according to LADSPA specifications and the problem is in jack-rack. I guess it could be done with ecasound too, but i never got the parameters right. Here is the a patch for this, I admit it is not a very nice way of solving the problem but it works. Johan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So > can't comment on how to program a squeak. Sorry it's taken a long time to get back on this. I've been busy doing other things - non music things :( > I'll question and comment as a sax/flute player. What type player > are you trying to emulate? When I "squeak" it's me, not the reed. > And I think it is for most all players. I know players that can play > horns that are total wrecks with reeds "fixed" with a cigarette lighter. > If they squeak, they make it fit; maybe even use it again. A poor > player will stop playing or totally miss the line for a few measures > or longer. What players do you want to emulate? That is actually a very hard question to answer. I would say it was an experienced player who actually knows the strengths and weaknesses of the instrument and is probably using then deliberately. > Or maybe the better question is, what comes after the squeak (and > before it)? A good teacher once told me, "there's no such thing as > a bad note; hit any note, any time; if it sound wrong, go to one that > sound better". The squeak comes at the start of the note, or not at all. It seems to be very pitch dependent, and will occur on just one note in a short run. > If the squeak sounds natural, it's some overtone. If not, then it's > what's played next that counts. > > Feel free to send me test squeeak ogg's; I know how they sound for > real. Done lot's of um. > > Marv Unfortunately I can't send and example. I am working from memory hearing a folksy sort of piece a long time ago - on the radio I think. -- Will J G From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun Jul 23 17:44:58 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun Jul 23 19:45:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music In-Reply-To: <1153639393.2638.6.camel@jordan.nash.net> References: <20060723065724.GB7048@xscd.com> <1153639393.2638.6.camel@jordan.nash.net> Message-ID: <44C3EDDA.2040801@gmail.com> >> Hello all-- >> >> It feels good to finally get back to composing and recording a little. >> I've been working on an old piece I never finished. The draft audio >> files are here: >> >> Blues in C 1 >> OGG >> http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-1.ogg >> >> MP3 >> http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-1.mp3 >> >> Usually I record the audio directly into Ardour or Audacity, but this >> time I recorded the MIDI performance instead, into Rosegarden (I also like >> Muse very much), then played back the slightly cleaned up MIDI file and >> recorded the audio produced by the tone generator (a rack-mounted Roland >> Fantom XR) that was being "played" by the MIDI file, which is here: >> >> Blues in C 1, MIDI (standard MIDI file type 1) >> http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/midi/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-1_version-2.mid >> >> A much older version of Blues in C 1, MIDI file: >> http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/midi/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-1_version-1.mid >> >> My Blues in C 2, a more recent composition that I finished and recorded >> before finishing Blues in C 1: >> http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-2.ogg >> http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/mp3/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-2.mp3 >> >> Both of these "blues in C major" were created with one original idea: to >> take a standard, bare-bones, dirt-simple blues progression in C >> (tonic/subdominant/dominant "1, 4, 5" song) and try to do something >> "interesting" with it, but retaining the essential skeleton of the blues >> in C major. In Blues in C 1, I aimed for putting in a different "passing >> chord" for every beat of every bar, only briefly landing on C, F and G >> at their mandatory times. For Blues in C 2, the more recent composition >> but the first to be completed and recorded, the idea and intent remained >> the same, but the technique I used was to have a bass line that shifted >> all around the C, F and G which formed the piece's structure, and that >> technique allowed for some interesting melodic composition. >> >> Anyway, I hope everybody's doing well-- >> >> Steve Doonan >> New Mexico US >> > > > Steve: Precioso . Beautiful , I especially like blues-in-c-1 .Very interesting developement of the harmony .I like very much your quiet way of playing . Thanks for sharing. Saludos . --Carlos From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Jul 23 19:49:43 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Jul 23 19:47:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a special sound In-Reply-To: <20060716184205.GA7315@charly.SWORD> References: <20060716185141.26d07739@localhost> <20060716184205.GA7315@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060724004943.00c9bfa4@office> On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:42:05 +0200 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 06:51:41PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > > > I want to try to emulate a reed instrument rather like a clarinet with > > a slightly damaged reed, so that the effect is that it occasionally > > 'breaks' and gives a sort of squeak. Ideally this should be more likely > > to happen at higher velocities. > > > > I think this is the sort of thing that would suit ZynAddSubFX, but my > > experiments so far have been distinctly underwhelming. > > > > Anyone got anything like that, or any suggestions on how to achieve it? > > > I would use Ingen (formerly Om), but I do that anyway ;) > A pulse oscillator with some more or less subtle pulse width modulation > might be a good basis. > > Add (Bandpass filtered) white noise for a breathing sound. > > Now I don't know how a damaged reed sounds, I can only think of overblown > flute or sax. > Fast pulse width modulation (via a sine oscillator > 20 Hz) can add a > metallic touch. > The hard clipper or one of the tube amp effects, perhaps bandpass filtered > might do something for the sound. For extra breakage, feed a tube amp back > to itself (after a signal product with something like 0.1) > A pitch envelope could be made to fade in on high velocity (fiddly business, > though). > > Building such a patch can easily eat up most of the day, even if one > already knows their way around Ingen, though :) Thanks for your suggestions but I really want to stick to Zyn if I can as i know it (fairly) well now and don't want the learning curve of starting over. Unfortunately I can't spend anything like as much time as I want to with music :( Thanks everyone else for your suggestions. This will take some time I think! -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Jul 23 19:53:37 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Jul 23 19:51:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music In-Reply-To: <20060723065724.GB7048@xscd.com> References: <20060723065724.GB7048@xscd.com> Message-ID: <20060724005337.3d46925d@office> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:57:24 -0600 Steve D wrote: > Hello all-- > > It feels good to finally get back to composing and recording a little. I know the feeling! > I've been working on an old piece I never finished. The draft audio > files are here: Nice to know I'm not the only one who does that. > Blues in C 1 I enjoyed listening to these. They sounded very clean. Blues isn't really my thing, but I can appreciate your effort and the quality of your playing. -- Will J G From yves_p at nnx.com Sun Jul 23 20:06:39 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Sun Jul 23 20:06:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music In-Reply-To: <20060723065724.GB7048@xscd.com> References: <20060723065724.GB7048@xscd.com> Message-ID: <20060724000639.GA27684@localhost> > > It feels good to finally get back to composing and recording a little. > I've been working on an old piece I never finished. The draft audio > files are here: > > Blues in C 1 > OGG [...] > > My Blues in C 2, a more recent composition that I finished and recorded > before finishing Blues in C 1: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/stephen-doonan_blues-in-c-2.ogg Very nice tracks, it's kind to have told us this was blues :). I particularly liked the way you harmonized the chords. Sounds great in both cases, nice job. Thanks, Y. From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Jul 23 22:08:46 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Jul 23 22:08:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: FM Casserole In-Reply-To: <20060723145845.GB7281@charly.SWORD> References: <20060723145845.GB7281@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: On 7/24/06, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Hi! > > Chemicaly processed space-casserole, including FM-Synthesis, > ancient coke-can-drumming and mangled samples, all in 6/4: > > http://www.archive.org/details/fm_casserole > > Once again it's Om, which will be gloriously reborn as > Ingen someday, MusE and Sweep. > > I think it's crazy stuff, hope others think so to ;) > > This time I put a flac up and left it to the archive to > generate Ogg and MP3. Sadly only Title and Author tags > are set. Can't be bothered to replace the files just > because of that, just thought I mention it for whoever > else might upload to the archive :) > > Source files available on request. > > Reviews would make me happy ;) > > -- > Thorsten Wilms I'm at work so simple review, it's good! I love the lead, subtle, not cheesy and a lot going on. Nice contrast between simplicity and complexity. A more obvious and interesting bridge/break could be nice. All round, i think your best track so far. Loki From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Jul 23 23:54:06 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Jul 23 23:54:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Linux Vocoder (?) In-Reply-To: <44C40539.3060402@isonews2.com> References: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C3E867.80904@joow.be> <44C40539.3060402@isonews2.com> Message-ID: On 7/24/06, Johan Mattsson wrote: > DCZX wrote: > >> Does anyone know of a good vocoder app or plugin? > >> > Pieter Palmers wrote: > > http://www.sirlab.de/linux/download_vocoder.html > > This is a nice program, but there is some problems with it, the stand > alone application does not have support for JACK. It is desirable since > JACK makes it a lot easier to plug a soft synths as formant. The LADSPA > plugin could do this with inserted to a program (e.g AMS) but I wanted a > more flexible approach so I thought it was a good idea using it with > JACK-RACK. This is not possible because JACK-RACK assumes that every > plugin has equally many input as output ports. > > I changed the LADSPA-plugin so it registers two outputports and therfore > works with JACK-RACK. Further more have I added some LADSPA_HINTS that > suggests appropriate default values, however JACK-RACK seems not to be > able to handle the controls in a proper way, but as far as I understand > is my changes valid according to LADSPA specifications and the problem > is in jack-rack. > > I guess it could be done with ecasound too, but i never got the > parameters right. > > Here is the a patch for this, I admit it is not a very nice way of > solving the problem but it works. > > Johan http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/ Very flexible ladspa host. You could try using it in Om (in processes of being renamed ingen) Loki From t_w_ at freenet.de Mon Jul 24 05:14:49 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Mon Jul 24 05:14:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: FM Casserole In-Reply-To: References: <20060723145845.GB7281@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060724091449.GA17461@charly.SWORD> On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 12:08:46PM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > >http://www.archive.org/details/fm_casserole > > I'm at work so simple review, it's good! I love the lead, subtle, not > cheesy and a lot going on. Nice contrast between simplicity and > complexity. A more obvious and interesting bridge/break could be nice. > All round, i think your best track so far. Thank you! :) Agreed on the bridge/break. I take it you listened to all of my 64 tracks on the archive? ;) -- Thorsten Wilms From jacob01 at gmx.net Mon Jul 24 07:24:41 2006 From: jacob01 at gmx.net (Jacob) Date: Mon Jul 24 07:24:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] App to sync file playback to external tick? Message-ID: <20060724112441.GI2721@localhost> Hi, does anybody know an open source app to keep the play back tempo of a local sound file in sync with an externally supplied tick (eg via MIDI clock). The pitch shouldn't change of course. And I would be happy, if it was not a GUI based program. Think of merging a tempo-stable track with a live recording, where the drummer didn't play to a metronome, so there are slight tempo changes that should survive :-) . The click source for the sync would then be some beat tapping on a MIDI keyboard for instance. Thanks for any ideas, Yours, Jacob From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Mon Jul 24 10:14:22 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Mon Jul 24 10:08:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Rock Star (Ardour Interview) In-Reply-To: <20060723175520.61256.qmail@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060723175520.61256.qmail@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44C4D5BE.7090002@kolumbus.fi> DCZX kirjoitti: > I've updated my blog, Linux Rock Star > (http://linuxrockstar.blogspot.com) with an interview > with Sampo Savolainen, one of the Ardour developers. > Come check it out! > This blog is great, been waiting for this kind of site since LinuxAudioBlog has died. Thanks! Esa -- ----------------------- http://www.emvg.net/esa http://www.emvg.net ----------------------- From alewis at systemsfusion.com Mon Jul 24 10:08:28 2006 From: alewis at systemsfusion.com (Andrew Lewis) Date: Mon Jul 24 10:11:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: FM Casserole In-Reply-To: <20060724091449.GA17461@charly.SWORD> References: <20060723145845.GB7281@charly.SWORD> <20060724091449.GA17461@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <200607241608.28231.alewis@systemsfusion.com> On Monday 24 July 2006 11:14, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 12:08:46PM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > >http://www.archive.org/details/fm_casserole Exxxxxxxcellent, I like it a lot. :) Damn I must really take some time to get to grips with Om, I hear lots of fantastic stuff being made with it .... -- Andrew Lewis From pinojazz at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 08:20:33 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Mon Jul 24 10:20:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: FM Casserole In-Reply-To: <20060723145845.GB7281@charly.SWORD> References: <20060723145845.GB7281@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <44C4BB11.6070008@gmail.com> Thorsten Wilms escribio': > Hi! > > Chemicaly processed space-casserole, including FM-Synthesis, > ancient coke-can-drumming and mangled samples, all in 6/4: > > http://www.archive.org/details/fm_casserole > > Once again it's Om, which will be gloriously reborn as > Ingen someday, MusE and Sweep. > > I think it's crazy stuff, hope others think so to ;) > > This time I put a flac up and left it to the archive to > generate Ogg and MP3. Sadly only Title and Author tags > are set. Can't be bothered to replace the files just > because of that, just thought I mention it for whoever > else might upload to the archive :) > > Source files available on request. > > Reviews would make me happy ;) > > -- > Thorsten Wilms > > I like very much . Thanks for sharing Saludos . -- Carlos. From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Jul 24 15:32:50 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Jul 24 15:30:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: FM Casserole In-Reply-To: <20060723145845.GB7281@charly.SWORD> References: <20060723145845.GB7281@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060724203250.078cd91a@office> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:58:45 +0200 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Hi! > > Chemicaly processed space-casserole, including FM-Synthesis, > ancient coke-can-drumming and mangled samples, all in 6/4: > > http://www.archive.org/details/fm_casserole > > Once again it's Om, which will be gloriously reborn as > Ingen someday, MusE and Sweep. > > I think it's crazy stuff, hope others think so to ;) > > This time I put a flac up and left it to the archive to > generate Ogg and MP3. Sadly only Title and Author tags > are set. Can't be bothered to replace the files just > because of that, just thought I mention it for whoever > else might upload to the archive :) > > Source files available on request. > > Reviews would make me happy ;) > > -- > Thorsten Wilms Absolutely excellent work. Now transferred to my iRiver, Works Computer & will put it on my car CD fav's. -- Will J G From mlist at hk-vision.de Mon Jul 24 15:42:57 2006 From: mlist at hk-vision.de (mlist) Date: Mon Jul 24 15:43:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] swami problems Message-ID: <200607242142.57539.mlist@hk-vision.de> Hello together, I'm using Debian-Testing with KDE for my sound stuff. I found swami as a good editor for SF2-Soundfonts. At the moment I have two problems: - How can I increase the size of the used fonts? I can't neither find any hint in the *cfg-Files nor while searching with google. The fonts are so small that I hardliy can use the program. - Fluidsynth doesn't react on events from swami. When I connect vkeybd to fluidsynth - all is ok. I hope someone can give me a hint where to look for. Thanx. Regards Helmut (mlist@hk-vision.de) From downerczx at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 16:47:52 2006 From: downerczx at yahoo.com (DCZX) Date: Mon Jul 24 16:47:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Vocoder - No output Message-ID: <20060724204752.17471.qmail@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So I applied that patch and make / make install'ed vocoder. I loaded it up in jack-rack and couldn't get any sound out of it. My reverbs and other effects seemed to work, but nothing from the vocoder... is there a trick? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From yves_p at nnx.com Mon Jul 24 16:58:36 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Mon Jul 24 16:58:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] swami problems In-Reply-To: <200607242142.57539.mlist@hk-vision.de> References: <200607242142.57539.mlist@hk-vision.de> Message-ID: <20060724205836.GC27684@localhost> Le 24 Jul ? 21:42, mlist ecrivait: > At the moment I have two problems: > > - How can I increase the size of the used fonts? Hi. As far as I understand Swami and soundfonts, you can't. Swami lets you edit the way samples are transformed in a soft synth, not what they are. If your sample weights 3k, you can't improve (nor reduce) its quality. > I can't neither find any hint in the *cfg-Files nor while searching with > google. > The fonts are so small that I hardliy can use the program. Maybe start searching for fluid soundfont on hammersound.net or something ? -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 142M avr 5 21:49 FluidR3_GM.SF2 > - Fluidsynth doesn't react on events from swami. > > When I connect vkeybd to fluidsynth - all is ok. Do you see the green light lit in swami ? If not, I suspect the bug, or the Debian packager's choice, not to activate fluidsynth support when building swami. The only solution I have found was to grab the source and compile it myself, installing tons of normally, in Debian, useless developpement librairies. It was a couple of months ago and I dont have a Debian audio system anymore to check if this problem remains in the package available in testing. This was one strong reason for me to move to gentoo... HTH, Y. From downerczx at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 18:19:43 2006 From: downerczx at yahoo.com (DCZX) Date: Mon Jul 24 18:19:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Vocoder Working Message-ID: <20060724221943.72580.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Okay, sorted out some file installation difficulties and now it's up! Pretty cool. I wonder if there's a program that can just "stick" a midi note for me though for the carrier... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From chris at mccormick.cx Mon Jul 24 21:48:21 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Mon Jul 24 21:48:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: FM Casserole In-Reply-To: <20060724091449.GA17461@charly.SWORD> References: <20060723145845.GB7281@charly.SWORD> <20060724091449.GA17461@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060725014821.GA20510@mccormick.cx> On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 11:14:49AM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > http://www.archive.org/details/fm_casserole Nice work! Awesome sounds. Can you tell me about your FM synthesis technique; specifically, how did you construct that cool sounding "plonky delay" bass that runs throughout the piece? Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 21:51:37 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Jul 24 21:51:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: FM Casserole In-Reply-To: <20060725014821.GA20510@mccormick.cx> References: <20060723145845.GB7281@charly.SWORD> <20060724091449.GA17461@charly.SWORD> <20060725014821.GA20510@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: On 7/25/06, Chris McCormick wrote: > On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 11:14:49AM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > http://www.archive.org/details/fm_casserole > > Nice work! Awesome sounds. Can you tell me about your FM synthesis > technique; specifically, how did you construct that cool sounding > "plonky delay" bass that runs throughout the piece? > > Chris. > > ------------------- > chris@mccormick.cx > http://mccormick.cx > Posting the .om sources might be nice too ;) Loki From perodog at gmx.net Tue Jul 25 04:58:10 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Tue Jul 25 04:57:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Vocoder (?) In-Reply-To: <44C3E867.80904@joow.be> References: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C3E867.80904@joow.be> Message-ID: <44C5DD22.3060502@gmx.net> hi, on my machine this one does not build: nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/vocoder/vocoder-0.5.14$ make gcc -c -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -W -g -DLINUX -DUSEGTK `gtk-config --cflags` main.c In file included from main.c:13: wind_common.h:37:18: warning: no newline at end of file gcc -c -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -W -g -DLINUX -DUSEGTK `gtk-config --cflags` sampleio.c sampleio.c: In function 'sam_init_all': sampleio.c:85: error: invalid storage class for function 'sam_restore_all' make: *** [sampleio.o] Fehler 1 nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/vocoder/vocoder-0.5.14$ cheers, doc Pieter Palmers wrote: > http://www.sirlab.de/linux/download_vocoder.html > > DCZX wrote: >> Does anyone know of a good vocoder app or plugin? >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com > > From t_w_ at freenet.de Tue Jul 25 07:32:13 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Tue Jul 25 07:32:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: FM Casserole In-Reply-To: <20060725014821.GA20510@mccormick.cx> References: <20060723145845.GB7281@charly.SWORD> <20060724091449.GA17461@charly.SWORD> <20060725014821.GA20510@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <20060725113213.GB7293@charly.SWORD> Many thanks for all the compliments, Andrew, Carlos, Will and Chris :D On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 09:48:21AM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote: > > http://www.archive.org/details/fm_casserole > > Nice work! Awesome sounds. Can you tell me about your FM synthesis > technique; specifically, how did you construct that cool sounding > "plonky delay" bass that runs throughout the piece? The basic concept is having separately MIDI controled FM operators. One is made to play a single note, the other melodic stuff tuned to result in good-sounding FM. A third operator thrown in for more complex attack phases. It's one patch with 3 MIDI inputs. 2 of them control FM operator subpatches. The 3rd is used to trigger 2 things via different notes: a sine-based kick used as influence to one operator, and a feedback loop on an AmpV plugin. There's also some delay applied for retriggering envelopes. It's actualy quite a mess, so following Loki's request, I put the the patches with the MusE song and MIDI export up at http://thorwil.affenbande.org/fm_casserole.tar.bz2 (28.8 KB) Sadly it will only work with one specific patched CVS version of Om, which you can get at http://www.scs.carleton.ca/~drobilla/files/om-synth-0.3.0pre.tar.bz2 Just don't ask Dave for any support. Actualy, best leave him alone until next release ;) The current SVN version of Ingen might be able to load the patches so you can at least look at the structure, though. -- Thorsten Wilms From t_w_ at freenet.de Tue Jul 25 09:08:16 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Tue Jul 25 09:08:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music In-Reply-To: <20060723133954.GA2358@xscd.com> References: <20060723065724.GB7048@xscd.com> <20060723080829.GA7281@charly.SWORD> <20060723133954.GA2358@xscd.com> Message-ID: <20060725130816.GC7293@charly.SWORD> On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 07:39:54AM -0600, Steve D wrote: > > It was fun recording to MIDI format first, and then digital audio. I > think I'm going to do more of that. Speaking of which, is there anyone > who has a completed 2-4 minute Hydrogen or MIDI percussion track they > might be willing to share with me? I would love to improvise/compose > some piano music to someone else's drums. I have done this with > Thorsten, with digital-audio, but I would enjoy doing something similar > with a strictly MIDI or Hydrogen percussion track. Well, if it's not too boring it's me again ... ;) Single Hydrogen pattern attached. Requires Millo-Drums v3 from top of the list on http://www.hydrogen-music.org/?p=drumkits and Hydrogen >= 0.9.3. If anyone gets that to work and likes it enough to work with it, I will add variations, fills and breaks :) -- Thorsten Wilms -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 01.h2song.tar.bz2 Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2427 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060725/682957ca/01.h2song.tar-0001.obj From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue Jul 25 03:43:38 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Jul 25 09:15:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] swami problems In-Reply-To: <200607242142.57539.mlist@hk-vision.de> References: <200607242142.57539.mlist@hk-vision.de> Message-ID: <20060725074245.GA3012@spma33> mlist escribe: > - How can I increase the size of the used fonts? > I can't neither find any hint in the *cfg-Files nor while searching with > google. > The fonts are so small that I hardliy can use the program. I am afraid you mean fonts, not soundfonts, so go apt-get install xfonts.*transcoded and restart your X server. Cordially, Ismael -- When I grow up I will go there. From shahn at cs.tu-berlin.de Tue Jul 25 11:31:16 2006 From: shahn at cs.tu-berlin.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F6nke_Hahn?=) Date: Tue Jul 25 11:31:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: FM Casserole In-Reply-To: <20060723145845.GB7281@charly.SWORD> References: <20060723145845.GB7281@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <44C63944.3060007@cs.tu-berlin.de> I don't know why, but it makes me feel happy. Like the other tune i heard from you. Gotta check out more... S?nke From mlist at hk-vision.de Tue Jul 25 11:52:17 2006 From: mlist at hk-vision.de (mlist) Date: Tue Jul 25 11:52:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] swami problems In-Reply-To: <20060724205836.GC27684@localhost> References: <200607242142.57539.mlist@hk-vision.de> <20060724205836.GC27684@localhost> Message-ID: <200607251752.17912.mlist@hk-vision.de> Hello Yves, thank you for the quick response. > > - How can I increase the size of the used fonts? This question is formulated in a way to be misunderstood. I'll try to clearify it: I'm meaning the character fonts for displaying the GUI of swami, not the soundfonts. I can't find Information, how to change this values (e.g. 4pt to 10pt). > Maybe start searching for fluid soundfont on hammersound.net or > something ? > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 142M avr 5 21:49 FluidR3_GM.SF2 Thany for this hint. I've downloaded this and will test it the end of the week. > > - Fluidsynth doesn't react on events from swami. > > > > When I connect vkeybd to fluidsynth - all is ok. > > Do you see the green light lit in swami ? yes. Therefore the fluidsynth-support should be integrated. May be there is a wrong configuration in the options field. Here my configruation: Audio driver: - type = auto, alsa, jack, oss (no difference) - device = empty field (standard) MIDI-driver: - type = alsa (no entry in qjackctl) - type = alsa_seq (a new MIDI-input-device entry [fluidsynth] in qjackctl) - device = empty field (standard) Could there be a problem with udev? The main problem seems to be to get audio-out from the fluidsynth to alsa_pcm. This is done automatically when I start the qsynth-frontend for fluidsynth. There I get Audio-Ports to connect via qjackctl. Regards Helmut (mlist@hk-vision.de) From mlist at hk-vision.de Tue Jul 25 11:51:55 2006 From: mlist at hk-vision.de (mlist) Date: Tue Jul 25 11:52:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] swami problems In-Reply-To: <20060725074245.GA3012@spma33> References: <200607242142.57539.mlist@hk-vision.de> <20060725074245.GA3012@spma33> Message-ID: <200607251751.56102.mlist@hk-vision.de> Hello Ismael, > > - How can I increase the size of the used fonts? > > I can't neither find any hint in the *cfg-Files nor while searching with > > google. > > The fonts are so small that I hardliy can use the program. > > I am afraid you mean fonts, not soundfonts, You're totally right! > so go apt-get install > xfonts.*transcoded and restart your X server. This doesn't make a difference. Regards Helmut (mlist@hk-vision.de) From yves_p at nnx.com Tue Jul 25 13:01:56 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Tue Jul 25 13:02:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] swami problems In-Reply-To: <200607251752.17912.mlist@hk-vision.de> References: <200607242142.57539.mlist@hk-vision.de> <20060724205836.GC27684@localhost> <200607251752.17912.mlist@hk-vision.de> Message-ID: <20060725170156.GD27684@localhost> Le 25 Jul ? 17:52, mlist ecrivait: > This question is formulated in a way to be misunderstood. I'll try to clearify > it: > I'm meaning the character fonts for displaying the GUI of swami, not the > soundfonts. I can't find Information, how to change this values (e.g. 4pt to > 10pt). Sorry :). It's a FAQ about Debian / GTK 1, and as Ismael said it should be corrected if you install the three transcoded fonts packages (base, 75 dpi and 100 dpi). If it doesn't work, it's a bit a hassle but you can put something like that : style "user-font" { fontset="-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1" } widget_class "*" style "user-font" in a ~/.gtkrc, or better in /etc/gtk/gtk.iso-8859-1 (backup this file before changing anything in it). It's explained for example there : http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=2186&sid=006b9fe606b30055e2b8507a948a35ea or in Google with keywords ? font size gtk 1 ?. But again, normally, the transcoded fonts must resolve this issue. > > Do you see the green light lit in swami ? > yes. Therefore the fluidsynth-support should be integrated. OK. Normally, you can click on this little green light to switch fluidsynth on and off. This means swami is compiled with fluidsynth support. > May be there is a wrong configuration in the options field. > > Here my configruation: > Audio driver: > - type = auto, alsa, jack, oss (no difference) I have jack. > - device = empty field (standard) Yes. It's completely weird that a new fluidsynth doesn't apper in qjackctl audio panel if you load a soundfont, see it appear in swami, and then click on a sound in the soundfont panel. You need to click on a sound again to reactivate the audio output each time you restart the drivers, click on the green light or touch something in the config. > MIDI-driver: > - type = alsa (no entry in qjackctl) > - type = alsa_seq (a new MIDI-input-device entry [fluidsynth] in > qjackctl) Well if you connect a midi out to it, it should work but of course won't produce any sound as long as a fluidsynth doesn't appear in qjackctl's audio panel. Maybe also remove the ~/.swami directory to get rid of previous tries... > Could there be a problem with udev? > > The main problem seems to be to get audio-out from the fluidsynth to alsa_pcm. > This is done automatically when I start the qsynth-frontend for fluidsynth. > There I get Audio-Ports to connect via qjackctl. For me, as long as fluidynth works with its qsynth frontend, the only problem is in swami, not in the system, especially not in udev. Swami and qsynth are interfaces to the same fluidsynth... Good luck, Y. From downerczx at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 15:13:31 2006 From: downerczx at yahoo.com (DCZX) Date: Tue Jul 25 15:13:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Can't Start OM Message-ID: <20060725191331.10865.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Compiled OM from CVS... ran JACK, ran lashd... then I ran OM: downerczx@(none):~> om [AlsaMidiDriver] Successfully opened ALSA sequencer. [OSC] Started OSC server at osc.udp://(none):16180/ [PreProcessor] Launching thread. [PostProcessor] Starting. [LashDriver] Lash initialised then om_gtk downerczx@(none):~> om_gtk [GladeFactory] Loading widgets from /usr/local/share/om/om_gtk.glade [Configuration] Unable to open settings file /home/downerczx/.omgtkrc [LashController] Lash initialised [OSCController] Started OSC listener on port 14173 [OSCController] Attaching to engine at osc.udp://(none):16180/ Segmentation fault everytime... something wrong with hostnames or aliases I suspect but I can't fix it... any ideas? thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rtp405 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 16:27:09 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Tue Jul 25 16:27:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: rsync mirror, scripting question Message-ID: <20060725202709.79944.qmail@web39704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I use rsync and cron to mirror the /dev/sda array. Mounted into that array is removable media that should not be mirrored. I'm sure someone will see why $LABEL is not being excluded much quicker than I can. #!/bin/bash #mirror ~/clients, delete from destination anything that doesn't exist at source #do not mirror removable media; anything other than /dev/sda #kill with ctrl-c, --partial allows resuming of session #find scsi device labels for arg in `ls /dev/sd[b-d][1-16]` do echo `/sbin/dumpe2fs -h $arg |grep Filesystem\ volume\ name` > /home/studio/.bin/syncExclude done #use sed for character substitution LABELS=`cat /home/studio/.bin/syncExclude |sed 's/Filesystem volume name:\ //'` rsync --exclude=$LABELS --rsh=ssh --times --perms --owner --verbose --progress --compress --delete --recursive --stats --partial --temp-dir=/media/mirror/tmp --bwlimit=0 /home/studio/clients/ /media/mirror/clients Thanks, Ron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pw_lists at slinkp.com Tue Jul 25 16:59:06 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Jul 25 16:59:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: rsync mirror, scripting question In-Reply-To: <20060725202709.79944.qmail@web39704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060725202709.79944.qmail@web39704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060725205906.GB16394@slinkp.com> On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 01:27:09PM -0700, R Parker wrote: > Hi, > > I use rsync and cron to mirror the /dev/sda array. > Mounted into that array is removable media that should > not be mirrored. I'm sure someone will see why $LABEL > is not being excluded much quicker than I can. > > #!/bin/bash > #mirror ~/clients, delete from destination anything > that doesn't exist at source > #do not mirror removable media; anything other than > /dev/sda > #kill with ctrl-c, --partial allows resuming of > session > > #find scsi device labels > for arg in `ls /dev/sd[b-d][1-16]` > do > echo `/sbin/dumpe2fs -h $arg |grep Filesystem\ > volume\ name` > /home/studio/.bin/syncExclude > done > > #use sed for character substitution > LABELS=`cat /home/studio/.bin/syncExclude |sed > 's/Filesystem volume name:\ //'` > > rsync --exclude=$LABELS --rsh=ssh --times --perms ^^^^^^^ Probably need to throw some double quotes around there. WHen in doubt, replace your command with an echo of the command and do a trial run... i can usually spot my shell issues quickly that way. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From rtp405 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 17:33:33 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Tue Jul 25 17:33:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: rsync mirror, scripting question In-Reply-To: <20060725205906.GB16394@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20060725213333.67011.qmail@web39706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Paul Winkler wrote: > On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 01:27:09PM -0700, R Parker > wrote: > > rsync --exclude=$LABELS --rsh=ssh --times --perms > ^^^^^^^ > Probably need to throw some double quotes around > there. That was it. > WHen in doubt, replace your command with an echo of > the command > and do a trial run... > i can usually spot my shell issues quickly that way. Right on. Thanks much, Ron > -- > > Paul Winkler > http://www.slinkp.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Jul 25 18:18:39 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Jul 25 18:18:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Oh No! It's That Man Again Message-ID: <20060725231839.0220cb61@localhost> Just added a pretty little tune to my site. It's called 'A Dream For The Future' and is in 'Lost Dreams'. There are a few others dotted about the site now. I now finally have broadband (Yay!) so should be able to do more now, and look at other peoples stuff more easily too. www.folderol.ukfsn.org -- Will J G From mlist at hk-vision.de Tue Jul 25 18:50:41 2006 From: mlist at hk-vision.de (mlist) Date: Tue Jul 25 18:51:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] swami problems In-Reply-To: <20060725170156.GD27684@localhost> References: <200607242142.57539.mlist@hk-vision.de> <200607251752.17912.mlist@hk-vision.de> <20060725170156.GD27684@localhost> Message-ID: <200607260050.41789.mlist@hk-vision.de> Hello Yves, screen fonts: ==> Solved > Sorry :). It's a FAQ about Debian / GTK 1, and as Ismael said it > should be corrected if you install the three transcoded fonts packages > (base, 75 dpi and 100 dpi). I've installed the packages - xfonts-100dpi - xfonts-100dpi-transcoded - xfonts-75dpi - xfonts-75dpi-transcoded - xfonts-base - xfonts-encodings - xfonts-konsole - xfonts-scalable In Debian-testing there is no package xfonts-base-transcoded. Only the normal xfonts-base-package exists. > If it doesn't work, it's a bit a hassle but > you can put something like that : > > style "user-font" > { > fontset="-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1" > } > widget_class "*" style "user-font" > in a ~/.gtkrc, Does not exist for my normal user. A first test with this entry in ~/.gtkrc doesn't change anything. When I increase the font size to 20pt a remarkable change is to see. For my desktop 14pt is a valid size. > or better in /etc/gtk/gtk.iso-8859-1 On my machine changed entries in /etc/gtk/gtkrc.iso-8859-15 show the same result as ~./gtkrc. sound: ==> work round When I use the audio driver type auto or alsa without starting jackd I get sound. As long as I start jackd before swami nothing works. Jackd stopps with errors, when I try to start it after swami. This is because the audio device is captured by swami. Could this result of a special setting in the swami-sources while compiling for Debian? Regards Helmut (mlist@hk-vision.de) From williamk at dit.ac.za Tue Jul 25 10:52:09 2006 From: williamk at dit.ac.za (William Kinghorn) Date: Wed Jul 26 02:15:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Noob at Music ( me ), Noob at Computers ( friend ) Message-ID: Hi All, I am a Computer Technician and not music literate, my friend is a musician and not computer literate. I am trying to show him music using open source. Can anyone point me in the right direction, I need to learn enough about music to show him how to do it. Any suggestions. William From alewis at systemsfusion.com Wed Jul 26 03:18:11 2006 From: alewis at systemsfusion.com (Andrew Lewis) Date: Wed Jul 26 03:21:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Noob at Music ( me ), Noob at Computers ( friend ) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200607260918.11965.alewis@systemsfusion.com> On Tuesday 25 July 2006 16:52, William Kinghorn wrote: > I am a Computer Technician and not music literate, my friend is a musician > and not computer literate. I am trying to show him music using open source. > Can anyone point me in the right direction, I need to learn enough about > music to show him how to do it. The thing about producing music on Linux (indeed, on any platform) is there is lots of choice/different ways to go about doing things, just have a look at the catalog of tools here: http://linux-sound.org/ An appropriately configured kernel with realtime pre-emption can improve audio performance but is not entirely necessary. How you can go about getting one depends on your distro, some generic info here: http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=6 A nice simple all-in-one sort of package is LMMS, http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ <- check a copy out of CVS and give it a try; although it has come a long way in a short while both in terms of features and stability it's still not entirely finished/stable... ;) Other all-in-one environments are BEAST, Frinika, hmmm, what else? Rosegarden is a relatively mature/stable MIDI sequencer with support for DSSI/LADSPA (and VST via a DSSI container/wine). There are plenty modular synths for Linux, of which Om is a good choice... Hydrogen is a nice simple/mature drum machine .... Bottom line is there is a lot of stuff which you might find useful, so you're best off trying as much of it as possible, so you can at least find what works best for you... :) -- Andrew Lewis From karl at aspodata.se Wed Jul 26 04:30:52 2006 From: karl at aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) Date: Wed Jul 26 04:30:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: rsync mirror, scripting question In-Reply-To: <20060725202709.79944.qmail@web39704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060725202709.79944.qmail@web39704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060726083052.845682B435F@aspodata.se> > Hi, > > I use rsync and cron to mirror the /dev/sda array. > Mounted into that array is removable media that should > not be mirrored. I'm sure someone will see why $LABEL > is not being excluded much quicker than I can. > > #!/bin/bash > #mirror ~/clients, delete from destination anything > that doesn't exist at source > #do not mirror removable media; anything other than > /dev/sda > #kill with ctrl-c, --partial allows resuming of > session > > #find scsi device labels > for arg in `ls /dev/sd[b-d][1-16]` > do > echo `/sbin/dumpe2fs -h $arg |grep Filesystem\ > volume\ name` > /home/studio/.bin/syncExclude > done > > #use sed for character substitution > LABELS=`cat /home/studio/.bin/syncExclude |sed > 's/Filesystem volume name:\ //'` > > rsync --exclude=$LABELS --rsh=ssh --times --perms > --owner --verbose --progress --compress --delete > --recursive --stats --partial > --temp-dir=/media/mirror/tmp --bwlimit=0 > /home/studio/clients/ /media/mirror/clients > > Thanks, > > Ron Why don't you simply use -x? $ man rsync 2>/dev/null | grep one-file -x, --one-file-system don't cross filesystem boundaries $ Regards, /Karl ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Hammar Asp? Data karl@aspodata.se Lilla Asp? 2340 Networks S-742 94 ?sthammar +46 173 140 57 Computers Sweden +46 70 511 97 84 Consulting ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ivalladolidt at terra.es Wed Jul 26 07:07:26 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Wed Jul 26 07:09:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Analog mixers with USB connection Message-ID: <20060726110726.GA1564@spma33> As far as I understand, at least a stereo bus is converted to digital and routed through the USB connection, apparently making very easy to select signals for recording. Any comments about whether they're usable with Linux and regarding the audio quality they offer? [1]Alesis MultiMix 8USB [2]Yamaha new USB mixing studios 1. http://www.alesis.com/products/multimix8usb/ 2. http://www.macmusic.org/news/view.php/lang/en/id/4024/ Cordially, Ismael -- When I grow up I will go there. From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Wed Jul 26 09:09:19 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Wed Jul 26 09:03:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi works with xfst and AmSynth but not with Bristol & ZynaddSubFx Message-ID: <44C7697F.8090500@kolumbus.fi> This is strange. Started Jack, connected the midi keyboard via Edirol UM-1X and everything's fine with xfst and VST instruments, as well as AmSynth. But Bristol synths and ZynaddSubFx don't work with it..? Any suggestions to find the solution for this. Before this day everything worked fine. -- ----------------------- http://www.emvg.net/esa http://www.emvg.net ----------------------- From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Wed Jul 26 09:32:52 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Wed Jul 26 09:27:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi works with xfst and AmSynth but not with Bristol & ZynaddSubFx In-Reply-To: <44C7697F.8090500@kolumbus.fi> References: <44C7697F.8090500@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <44C76F04.20809@kolumbus.fi> Esa Linna kirjoitti: > This is strange. Started Jack, connected the midi keyboard via Edirol > UM-1X and everything's fine with xfst and VST instruments, as well as > AmSynth. But Bristol synths and ZynaddSubFx don't work with it..? > > Any suggestions to find the solution for this. Before this day > everything worked fine. > > Or to be precise, there is no more sound coming to speakers this far with Bristol, Zynaddsubfx, Fluid synth (with Qsynth) or LinuxSampler (with QSampler). It seems that midi is fine, since Qsampler shows that it receives midi events. -- ----------------------- http://www.emvg.net/esa http://www.emvg.net ----------------------- From williamk at dit.ac.za Wed Jul 26 09:00:33 2006 From: williamk at dit.ac.za (William Kinghorn) Date: Wed Jul 26 09:32:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Noob at Music ( me ), Noob at Computers ( friend ) Message-ID: Hi Andrew, Thanks for the reply. I know about most of the packages ( dont know Frinika, hmmm or Om ). I was hoping for a tutorial teaching me a bit about music and also a bit about using some of the software to create what had been taught in the tutorial. I don't want to become a musician, but I want to learn enough for my friend to get started. You never know, after playing around with the software I might want to become a musician, and start studying more, but right now my main aim is to teach him so that he can continue on his own. William >>> Andrew Lewis 07/26/06 9:18 AM >>> On Tuesday 25 July 2006 16:52, William Kinghorn wrote: > I am a Computer Technician and not music literate, my friend is a musician > and not computer literate. I am trying to show him music using open source. > Can anyone point me in the right direction, I need to learn enough about > music to show him how to do it. The thing about producing music on Linux (indeed, on any platform) is there is lots of choice/different ways to go about doing things, just have a look at the catalog of tools here: http://linux-sound.org/ An appropriately configured kernel with realtime pre-emption can improve audio performance but is not entirely necessary. How you can go about getting one depends on your distro, some generic info here: http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=6 A nice simple all-in-one sort of package is LMMS, http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ <- check a copy out of CVS and give it a try; although it has come a long way in a short while both in terms of features and stability it's still not entirely finished/stable... ;) Other all-in-one environments are BEAST, Frinika, hmmm, what else? Rosegarden is a relatively mature/stable MIDI sequencer with support for DSSI/LADSPA (and VST via a DSSI container/wine). There are plenty modular synths for Linux, of which Om is a good choice... Hydrogen is a nice simple/mature drum machine .... Bottom line is there is a lot of stuff which you might find useful, so you're best off trying as much of it as possible, so you can at least find what works best for you... :) -- Andrew Lewis From d_baron at 012.net.il Wed Jul 26 09:54:26 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Wed Jul 26 09:54:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi works with xfst and AmSynth but not =?iso-8859-1?q?with=A0Bristol_=26?= ZynaddSubFx In-Reply-To: <20060726133225.7020624A0A2F@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060726133225.7020624A0A2F@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200607261654.27114.d_baron@012.net.il> On Wednesday 26 July 2006 16:32, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > This is strange. Started Jack, connected the midi keyboard via Edirol > UM-1X and everything's fine with xfst and VST instruments, as well as > AmSynth. But Bristol synths and ZynaddSubFx don't work with it..? > > Any suggestions to find the solution for this. Before this day > everything worked fine. Bristol does not support jack yet (soon, hopefully). Jack busies up the alsa device through which you might be play. MIDI can be "connected" through jack without jackd running. Action depends upon the program. Also, in many cases, when the program works with jack, you need to got to the jack "connections" and explicitely connevt the output of your program to the alsa device to hear anything. Try running this stuff through Rosegarden or Muse and see if everything is working as expected. From lars.luthman at gmail.com Wed Jul 26 09:58:38 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Wed Jul 26 09:58:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi works with xfst and AmSynth but not =?ISO-8859-1?Q?with=A0Bristol?= & ZynaddSubFx In-Reply-To: <200607261654.27114.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20060726133225.7020624A0A2F@music.columbia.edu> <200607261654.27114.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <1153922318.10636.11.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 16:54 +0300, David Baron wrote: > MIDI can be "connected" through jack without jackd running. This is not true. You can use QJackCtl to connect ALSA sequencer MIDI ports when JACK is not running, but they have nothing whatsoever to do with JACK, which has it's own MIDI ports (in the current development version). -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060726/ccf0bce8/attachment.bin From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Wed Jul 26 10:09:12 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Wed Jul 26 10:04:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi works with xfst and AmSynth but not with Bristol & ZynaddSubFx In-Reply-To: <200607261654.27114.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20060726133225.7020624A0A2F@music.columbia.edu> <200607261654.27114.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <44C77788.4010108@kolumbus.fi> David Baron kirjoitti: > On Wednesday 26 July 2006 16:32, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu > wrote: > >> This is strange. Started Jack, connected the midi keyboard via Edirol >> UM-1X and everything's fine with xfst and VST instruments, as well as >> AmSynth. But Bristol synths and ZynaddSubFx don't work with it..? >> >> Any suggestions to find the solution for this. Before this day >> everything worked fine. >> > > Bristol does not support jack yet (soon, hopefully). > It does, I've played with few weeks with Bristol and jack. Like this: ./startBristol -rate 48000 -jack -vox -- ----------------------- http://www.emvg.net/esa http://www.emvg.net ----------------------- From jri at broadpark.no Wed Jul 26 11:30:01 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Wed Jul 26 11:30:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Noob at Music ( me ), Noob at Computers ( friend ) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44C78A79.8040704@broadpark.no> William Kinghorn wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > Thanks for the reply. > > I know about most of the packages ( dont know Frinika, hmmm or Om ). > > I was hoping for a tutorial teaching me a bit about music and also a > bit about using some of the software to create what had been taught > in the tutorial. I don't want to become a musician, but I want to > learn enough for my friend to get started. You never know, after > playing around with the software I might want to become a musician, > and start studying more, but right now my main aim is to teach him so > that he can continue on his own. Here's some good videos on how to get going with jack and midi: http://sysexxer.sourceforge.net/files/JackConnectivity.avi (jack) http://sysexxer.sf.net/files/BasicMIDIconnectivity.avi (midi) They should at least get you started playing around. If you don't know much about music I'd recommend you just playing around with rythms first (like Hydrogen), then start building basslines etc on top of that. Keep in mind that music is (typically) divided into beats and segments, most often 4/4, wich you can count along with: "1,2,3,4, 1,2,3,4, 1,2,3,4, ....etc". Play with Hydrogen and you'll see. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Wed Jul 26 11:46:57 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Wed Jul 26 11:47:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Noob at Music ( me ), Noob at Computers ( friend ) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44C78E71.6030900@boosthardware.com> Hi, Did you check the quicktoots? http://quicktoots.linuxaudio.org Cheers. William Kinghorn wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > Thanks for the reply. > > I know about most of the packages ( dont know Frinika, hmmm or Om ). > > I was hoping for a tutorial teaching me a bit about music and also a bit about using some of the software to create what had been taught in the tutorial. I don't want to become a musician, but I want to learn enough for my friend to get started. You never know, after playing around with the software I might want to become a musician, and start studying more, but right now my main aim is to teach him so that he can continue on his own. > > William > > > >>>> Andrew Lewis 07/26/06 9:18 AM >>> > On Tuesday 25 July 2006 16:52, William Kinghorn wrote: >> I am a Computer Technician and not music literate, my friend is a musician >> and not computer literate. I am trying to show him music using open source. >> Can anyone point me in the right direction, I need to learn enough about >> music to show him how to do it. > > The thing about producing music on Linux (indeed, on any platform) is there is > lots of choice/different ways to go about doing things, just have a look at > the catalog of tools here: http://linux-sound.org/ > > An appropriately configured kernel with realtime pre-emption can improve audio > performance but is not entirely necessary. How you can go about getting one > depends on your distro, some generic info here: > http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=6 > > A nice simple all-in-one sort of package is LMMS, http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ > <- check a copy out of CVS and give it a try; although it has come a long way > in a short while both in terms of features and stability it's still not > entirely finished/stable... ;) Other all-in-one environments are BEAST, > Frinika, hmmm, what else? > > Rosegarden is a relatively mature/stable MIDI sequencer with support for > DSSI/LADSPA (and VST via a DSSI container/wine). There are plenty modular > synths for Linux, of which Om is a good choice... Hydrogen is a nice > simple/mature drum machine .... > > Bottom line is there is a lot of stuff which you might find useful, so you're > best off trying as much of it as possible, so you can at least find what > works best for you... :) > -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From williamk at dit.ac.za Wed Jul 26 11:59:46 2006 From: williamk at dit.ac.za (William Kinghorn) Date: Wed Jul 26 11:59:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Noob at Music ( me ), Noob at Computers ( friend ) Message-ID: Hi All, Thnks to the people who responded to my e-mail, will be checking out the videos and the URLs. William From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Wed Jul 26 12:43:51 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Wed Jul 26 12:43:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Can't Start OM In-Reply-To: <20060725191331.10865.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060725191331.10865.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1153932231.27972.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 12:13 -0700, DCZX wrote: > Compiled OM from CVS... ran JACK, ran lashd... then I > ran OM: > > downerczx@(none):~> om > [AlsaMidiDriver] Successfully opened ALSA sequencer. > [OSC] Started OSC server at osc.udp://(none):16180/ > [PreProcessor] Launching thread. > [PostProcessor] Starting. > [LashDriver] Lash initialised > > then om_gtk > downerczx@(none):~> om_gtk > [GladeFactory] Loading widgets from > /usr/local/share/om/om_gtk.glade > [Configuration] Unable to open settings file > /home/downerczx/.omgtkrc > [LashController] Lash initialised > [OSCController] Started OSC listener on port 14173 > [OSCController] Attaching to engine at > osc.udp://(none):16180/ > Segmentation fault > > everytime... something wrong with hostnames or aliases > I suspect but I can't fix it... any ideas? thanks. Please post Om (not an acronynm, BTW) questions to the Om list, I barely ever watch this list. You're lucky :) "(none)" for the hostname is.. uhh... "interesting". You might need to add a localhost entry to /etc/hosts (which comes up quite a bit. eg: 127.0.0.1 localhost CVS is a bit wacky though, things are in transition right now. Try this version for now until the new tree is ready for public consumption: http://www.scs.carleton.ca/~drobilla/files/om-synth-0.3.0pre.tar.bz2 -DR- From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Jul 26 14:03:11 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Jul 26 14:03:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Noob at Music ( me ), Noob at Computers ( friend ) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060726190311.5cee3fcb@localhost> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:59:46 +0200 "William Kinghorn" wrote: > Hi All, > > Thnks to the people who responded to my e-mail, will be checking out the videos and the URLs. > > William Rosegarden comes with some example tunes (presumably Muse does too) so you can experiment with them to get a feel for it. -- Will J G From james at dis-dot-dat.net Wed Jul 26 14:43:01 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Wed Jul 26 14:43:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Making money, minus the evil? Message-ID: <20060726184301.GR9439@fitz.Belkin> Amie St. is a DRM-free on-line record company (or should I say "music sales company"?) with quite an out-there cost model. Simply, all songs start off free (!) and grow in price bsaed on popularity. The idea is to promote "discovery" of new songs. And, people buying tracks, get "RECs" - recommendations that they can "spend" on tracks. If you recommend a track and it's price goes up, you actually get some money for it. It's all cheap, and a big chunk of proceeds go to musicians. They also don't require exclusive licensing, which is good/essential. So - what do you think? Will we see a big chunk of LAMers signing up? I have (http://members.amie.st/james%20shuttleworth). My tracks are free at the moment. Personally, I'd love it to take off. It would be nice to get some money, but it's also another avenue for getting your music into people's heads. If I do get any money, I'm spending it on making music. It might be just 10 blank CDRs, or it might be a new soundcard. It will be fun finding out. Have a look: http://members.amie.st/splash.php James From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Jul 26 17:50:59 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Jul 26 17:51:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Slightly Off Topic Message-ID: <20060726225059.6a5d40d0@localhost> If anyone is interested in my electronics stuff, I have completed the testing and updates to the Magnetic cartridge Equaliser. It now has improved sensitivity, slightly improved noise figure and uses all currently available parts. -- Will J G From florin at andrei.myip.org Wed Jul 26 17:53:36 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Wed Jul 26 17:53:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] customize equalizer for XMMS? Message-ID: <1153950816.31195.21.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Here's the background: I'm using XMMS-1.2.10 on Fedora Core 5 to listen to various things, mostly MP3 streams from Internet radio stations. I've a nice pair of cans, Grado SR125, that are used for listening. http://www.gradolabs.com/product_pages/sr125.htm The SR125 cans are nice, in fact, they're very analytical and quite revealing. Not exactly best for listening to 128k streams, but hey, that's what I got, that's what I use. The problem: The Grado cans are a bit too harsh for my ears. I very much prefer the Sennheiser HD600 but I'd rather keep the HD600 at home and drag the SR125 at the office to take a beating. The frequency response graph for the SR125 shows some peaks in the mid-high range, which are probably part of the cause for the harshness, and also a cliff in the low frequencies: http://www.headphone.com/products/headphones/all-headphones/grado-sr-125.php I would like to re-create the negative of that graph in an equalizer and apply it somewhere in the chain. I looked at the equalizer that comes with XMMS but there doesn't seem to be a way to create a graph that's so fine-grained. There's only a limited amount of controls that cannot seem to be tweaked. How do I create such a detailed equalizer graph and apply it to XMMS? This machine does not run JACK and I do not intend to change that. I'd like to keep it as simple as possible since, after all, the primary purpose of the system is to do work, not listen to music. Is there any player that can play MP3 streams and has a better equalizer? Any other ideas? -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed Jul 26 18:57:27 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Jul 26 18:58:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: customize equalizer for XMMS? In-Reply-To: <1153950816.31195.21.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <1153950816.31195.21.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: On 7/27/06, Florin Andrei wrote: > Here's the background: > I'm using XMMS-1.2.10 on Fedora Core 5 to listen to various things, > mostly MP3 streams from Internet radio stations. I've a nice pair of > cans, Grado SR125, that are used for listening. > > http://www.gradolabs.com/product_pages/sr125.htm > > The SR125 cans are nice, in fact, they're very analytical and quite > revealing. Not exactly best for listening to 128k streams, but hey, > that's what I got, that's what I use. > > The problem: > The Grado cans are a bit too harsh for my ears. I very much prefer the > Sennheiser HD600 but I'd rather keep the HD600 at home and drag the > SR125 at the office to take a beating. The frequency response graph for > the SR125 shows some peaks in the mid-high range, which are probably > part of the cause for the harshness, and also a cliff in the low > frequencies: > > http://www.headphone.com/products/headphones/all-headphones/grado-sr-125.php > > I would like to re-create the negative of that graph in an equalizer and > apply it somewhere in the chain. I looked at the equalizer that comes > with XMMS but there doesn't seem to be a way to create a graph that's so > fine-grained. There's only a limited amount of controls that cannot seem > to be tweaked. > > How do I create such a detailed equalizer graph and apply it to XMMS? > > This machine does not run JACK and I do not intend to change that. I'd > like to keep it as simple as possible since, after all, the primary > purpose of the system is to do work, not listen to music. > > Is there any player that can play MP3 streams and has a better > equalizer? > > Any other ideas? > > -- > Florin Andrei > > http://florin.myip.org/ > > Maybe use the ladspa plugin support in xmms or aqualung? Could be well suited. Loki From perodog at gmx.net Wed Jul 26 19:04:47 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Wed Jul 26 19:04:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: customize equalizer for XMMS? In-Reply-To: References: <1153950816.31195.21.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <44C7F50F.9000004@gmx.net> Loki Davison wrote: > On 7/27/06, Florin Andrei wrote: >> Here's the background: >> I'm using XMMS-1.2.10 on Fedora Core 5 to listen to various things, >> mostly MP3 streams from Internet radio stations. I've a nice pair of >> cans, Grado SR125, that are used for listening. >> >> http://www.gradolabs.com/product_pages/sr125.htm >> >> The SR125 cans are nice, in fact, they're very analytical and quite >> revealing. Not exactly best for listening to 128k streams, but hey, >> that's what I got, that's what I use. >> >> The problem: >> The Grado cans are a bit too harsh for my ears. I very much prefer the >> Sennheiser HD600 but I'd rather keep the HD600 at home and drag the >> SR125 at the office to take a beating. The frequency response graph for >> the SR125 shows some peaks in the mid-high range, which are probably >> part of the cause for the harshness, and also a cliff in the low >> frequencies: >> >> http://www.headphone.com/products/headphones/all-headphones/grado-sr-125.php >> >> >> I would like to re-create the negative of that graph in an equalizer and >> apply it somewhere in the chain. I looked at the equalizer that comes >> with XMMS but there doesn't seem to be a way to create a graph that's so >> fine-grained. There's only a limited amount of controls that cannot seem >> to be tweaked. >> >> How do I create such a detailed equalizer graph and apply it to XMMS? >> >> This machine does not run JACK and I do not intend to change that. I'd >> like to keep it as simple as possible since, after all, the primary >> purpose of the system is to do work, not listen to music. are you using alsa? if yes, you should run jackd, i think thats pretty easy to set up? >> >> Is there any player that can play MP3 streams and has a better >> equalizer? >> >> Any other ideas? >> >> -- >> Florin Andrei >> >> http://florin.myip.org/ >> >> > > Maybe use the ladspa plugin support in xmms or aqualung? Could be well > suited. > > Loki > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jul 26 19:04:37 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jul 26 19:05:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: customize equalizer for XMMS? In-Reply-To: References: <1153950816.31195.21.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <1153955077.2927.26.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-07-27 at 08:57 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > Maybe use the ladspa plugin support in xmms or aqualung? Could be well > suited. You could try a player that's still maintained... I don't think XMMS has been updated in some time. Aqualung does not seem to be mature enough for general use. Maybe BMP2? Lee From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed Jul 26 19:19:17 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Jul 26 19:19:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: customize equalizer for XMMS? In-Reply-To: <1153955077.2927.26.camel@mindpipe> References: <1153950816.31195.21.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1153955077.2927.26.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 7/27/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-07-27 at 08:57 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > Maybe use the ladspa plugin support in xmms or aqualung? Could be well > > suited. > > You could try a player that's still maintained... I don't think XMMS has > been updated in some time. Aqualung does not seem to be mature enough > for general use. Maybe BMP2? > > Lee > BMP2 was really dodgy last time i tried it. Heard good things about aqualung but haven't given it a go recently. Loki From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jul 26 19:25:03 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jul 26 19:25:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: customize equalizer for XMMS? In-Reply-To: References: <1153950816.31195.21.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1153955077.2927.26.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1153956303.2927.35.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-07-27 at 09:19 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > On 7/27/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-07-27 at 08:57 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > > Maybe use the ladspa plugin support in xmms or aqualung? Could be well > > > suited. > > > > You could try a player that's still maintained... I don't think XMMS has > > been updated in some time. Aqualung does not seem to be mature enough > > for general use. Maybe BMP2? > > > > Lee > > > > BMP2 was really dodgy last time i tried it. Heard good things about > aqualung but haven't given it a go recently. Yeah, the media player situation on Linux is kind of bad. I wish the community could pick one to standardize on and focus on improving it. Lee From perodog at gmx.net Wed Jul 26 19:36:56 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Wed Jul 26 19:36:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: customize equalizer for XMMS? In-Reply-To: <1153956303.2927.35.camel@mindpipe> References: <1153950816.31195.21.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1153955077.2927.26.camel@mindpipe> <1153956303.2927.35.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44C7FC98.7040107@gmx.net> Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-07-27 at 09:19 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > >> On 7/27/06, Lee Revell wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2006-07-27 at 08:57 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: >>> >>>> Maybe use the ladspa plugin support in xmms or aqualung? Could be well >>>> suited. >>>> >>> You could try a player that's still maintained... I don't think XMMS has >>> been updated in some time. Aqualung does not seem to be mature enough >>> for general use. Maybe BMP2? >>> >>> Lee >>> >>> >> BMP2 was really dodgy last time i tried it. Heard good things about >> aqualung but haven't given it a go recently. >> > > Yeah, the media player situation on Linux is kind of bad. I wish the > community could pick one to standardize on and focus on improving it. > > Lee > > > i think on this list there should be a kind of consensus that jackd is recomanded? From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jul 26 19:39:44 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jul 26 19:39:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: customize equalizer for XMMS? In-Reply-To: <44C7FC98.7040107@gmx.net> References: <1153950816.31195.21.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1153955077.2927.26.camel@mindpipe> <1153956303.2927.35.camel@mindpipe> <44C7FC98.7040107@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1153957184.2927.42.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-07-27 at 01:36 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > i think on this list there should be a kind of consensus that jackd > is recomanded? jackd is recommended for pro audio use but should not be required for desktop stuff. But yes, a key requirement should be NATIVE jack support (not bio2jack) Lee From florin at andrei.myip.org Wed Jul 26 20:31:42 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Wed Jul 26 20:31:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: customize equalizer for XMMS? In-Reply-To: References: <1153950816.31195.21.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <1153960302.31195.26.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> On Thu, 2006-07-27 at 08:57 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > Maybe use the ladspa plugin support in xmms How did I forget that? :-( Yes, there's a ton of powerful LADSPA plugins that can be used directly from within XMMS. E.g., I loaded the TAP EQ BW and only flattened the peak at 9kHz and filled the valley at 16kHz and... wow! what a difference it makes! The phones are still a bit harsh but now they're bearable. I wish that EQ could go below 40Hz so I can fill in the hole in the low frequencies. Well, I guess I could always load up a parametric EQ but it would be nicer to solve all the issues with just one plugin. Thanks! -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From _ at whats-your.name Wed Jul 26 20:38:52 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Wed Jul 26 20:39:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] customize equalizer for XMMS? In-Reply-To: <1153950816.31195.21.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <1153950816.31195.21.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <20060727003852.GC2300@replic.net> On Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 02:53:36PM -0700, Florin Andrei wrote: > Here's the background: > I'm using XMMS-1.2.10 on Fedora Core 5 to listen to various things, > http://www.headphone.com/products/headphones/all-headphones/grado-sr-125.php > > I would like to re-create the negative of that graph in an equalizer and > apply it somewhere in the chain. I looked at the equalizer that comes > with XMMS but there doesn't seem to be a way to create a graph that's so > fine-grained. There's only a limited amount of controls that cannot seem > to be tweaked. audacious and a ladspa eq or jamin via jack. i hvent loked thru all the ladspa eq's to see if any are nice, and when i tweaked around high frequencies in jamin i found the results a bit fatiguing (even when the source material was vinyl->FLAC).. From ivalladolidt at terra.es Thu Jul 27 03:51:50 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Jul 27 03:52:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: customize equalizer for XMMS? In-Reply-To: <1153960302.31195.26.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <1153950816.31195.21.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1153960302.31195.26.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <20060727075150.GA2652@spma33> Florin Andrei escribe: > I wish that EQ could go below 40Hz so I can fill in the hole in the low > frequencies. Well, I guess I could always load up a parametric EQ but it > would be nicer to solve all the issues with just one plugin. Your earphones can play frequencies at 40Hz!? Wow! }:) Cordially, Ismael -- When I grow up I will go there. From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Thu Jul 27 04:35:34 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Thu Jul 27 04:34:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] X events making noise through soundcard. Message-ID: <44C87AD6.4020709@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone! I have noticed this for a long time, but did not actually thought about it until recently. It so happens that apparently a lot of X events produce some sort of noise ranging also from what I am doing. First of all, here are my system's specs: * AMD Athlon 2800+ (S754) * VIA-based motherboard with K8TMM chipset. VIA VT8235 southbridge (the box says VT8237R, but it actually is a VT8235) * 2x 512Mb RAM DIMM sticks DDR PC-2700 * 2x 80 Gb ATA-100 HDDs; one Western Digital, one Seagate. Attached to primary IDE channel. * 1x 40 Gb ATA-133 Maxtor HDD, connected through add-on IDE card. * 1x 10 Gb ATA-66/100 Seagate HDD (used mainly for storing .ogg files), connected through the IDE add-on card * 1x LG CD-RW 52x32x52, secondary IDE master. * 1x LG 16x DVD-RW , secondary IDE slave. * 1x generic brand Floppy disk drive. * 1x GeForce 5900, 128Mb VRAM. Using nVidia's proprietary driver. * 1x Sound Blaster Live! Value, the primary sound card. Using ALSA 1.0.11 emu10k1 driver... This has been my trusty sound card for so many years now. So this noise happens whenever there are events, from dragging the mouse, to cliking on windows, to scrolling a window or even typing some text. The noise is not very audible, only if I crank the volume really high, and it is composed primarily of low frequency sounds. These noises even vary from application to application. They're like clicks in Thunderbird, with a rather low repetition frequency, and a much more rapid succession in Firefox, for instance. When changing focus of windows, or when changing from one virtual desktop with some windows to another (despite if the other has or no windows) the sound I can only describe it as "similar to that sound in Diablo II when you changed tabs or clicked the close button of any other "window", like the Inventory"... I can't really describe it better than that. I will try to see if I can record some these sounds. There's a "base humming" sound in the background if I crank all the way up the volume either on my speakers or headphones. Anyway, my question is what are these, and why are these produced? I know they respond to activity in the computer, mainly from X, or the video card, but why? Another thing that I think I read somewhere a while back. I have optical drives connected to the sound card through analog cables... Is it possible that these are working as "antennas" and what I hear is actually the the activity of the PSU/CPU/Memroy, etc? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEyHrVXM+XOp70dwoRAsj5AJ4xXaDY42LzDVqHODDortO3YK7gjwCdGQsT 3RrbKGGkvr+Sn3/fI6yEWq0= =52/R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Jul 27 04:43:26 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Thu Jul 27 04:43:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] X events making noise through soundcard. In-Reply-To: <44C87AD6.4020709@prodigy.net.mx> References: <44C87AD6.4020709@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <20060727104326.5ac5e004@mango.fruits> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:35:34 -0500 Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Anyway, my question is what are these, and why are these produced? I > know they respond to activity in the computer, mainly from X, or the > video card, but why? Bad shielding. The inside of a computer case is filled with electromagnetic fields. These induce currents in your soundcards circuits (mainly the DA's and output amplifiers), which are sometimes in the audible range. Oftentimes cheap soundcards also pick up noise from their direct electrical connection to the system, the bus. In your case the PCI bus. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From ivalladolidt at terra.es Thu Jul 27 05:34:05 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Jul 27 05:34:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] X events making noise through soundcard. In-Reply-To: <20060727104326.5ac5e004@mango.fruits> References: <44C87AD6.4020709@prodigy.net.mx> <20060727104326.5ac5e004@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <20060727093405.GA540@spma33> Florian Paul Schmidt escribe: > Oftentimes cheap soundcards also pick up noise from their direct > electrical connection to the system, the bus. In your case the PCI bus. It's very common with internal soundcards embedded in mobos, it's quite strange that happens with a SB Live! Maybe switching PCI slot? Cordially, Ismael -- When I grow up I will go there. From lars.luthman at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 06:37:15 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Thu Jul 27 06:37:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] X events making noise through soundcard. In-Reply-To: <44C87AD6.4020709@prodigy.net.mx> References: <44C87AD6.4020709@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <1153996635.19021.2.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Thu, 2006-07-27 at 03:35 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > I have noticed this for a long time, but did not actually thought > about it until recently. It so happens that apparently a lot of X > events produce some sort of noise ranging also from what I am doing. > First of all, here are my system's specs: I had this problem too with an SB Live, and in my case the problem was the ADCs. If I mute the analog inputs ("Line" and "Mic") the noise goes away. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060727/b5f5ba9a/attachment.bin From james at dis-dot-dat.net Thu Jul 27 07:36:26 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Thu Jul 27 07:36:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] X events making noise through soundcard. In-Reply-To: <44C87AD6.4020709@prodigy.net.mx> References: <44C87AD6.4020709@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <20060727113626.GW9439@fitz.Belkin> As people have been saying, it's EM interference. Muting the analogue stuff you aren't using might help (as has been suggested) but so does moving the soundcard as far away as possible from the graphics card. Alternatively, try and only move your mouse and perform window operations in time with your music. James On Thu, 27 Jul, 2006 at 03:35AM -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu spake thus: > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi everyone! > > I have noticed this for a long time, but did not actually thought > about it until recently. It so happens that apparently a lot of X > events produce some sort of noise ranging also from what I am doing. > First of all, here are my system's specs: > > * AMD Athlon 2800+ (S754) > * VIA-based motherboard with K8TMM chipset. VIA VT8235 southbridge > (the box says VT8237R, but it actually is a VT8235) > * 2x 512Mb RAM DIMM sticks DDR PC-2700 > * 2x 80 Gb ATA-100 HDDs; one Western Digital, one Seagate. Attached to > primary IDE channel. > * 1x 40 Gb ATA-133 Maxtor HDD, connected through add-on IDE card. > * 1x 10 Gb ATA-66/100 Seagate HDD (used mainly for storing .ogg > files), connected through the IDE add-on card > * 1x LG CD-RW 52x32x52, secondary IDE master. > * 1x LG 16x DVD-RW , secondary IDE slave. > * 1x generic brand Floppy disk drive. > * 1x GeForce 5900, 128Mb VRAM. Using nVidia's proprietary driver. > * 1x Sound Blaster Live! Value, the primary sound card. Using ALSA > 1.0.11 emu10k1 driver... This has been my trusty sound card for so > many years now. > > So this noise happens whenever there are events, from dragging the > mouse, to cliking on windows, to scrolling a window or even typing > some text. The noise is not very audible, only if I crank the volume > really high, and it is composed primarily of low frequency sounds. > These noises even vary from application to application. They're like > clicks in Thunderbird, with a rather low repetition frequency, and a > much more rapid succession in Firefox, for instance. When changing > focus of windows, or when changing from one virtual desktop with some > windows to another (despite if the other has or no windows) the sound > I can only describe it as "similar to that sound in Diablo II when you > changed tabs or clicked the close button of any other "window", like > the Inventory"... I can't really describe it better than that. I will > try to see if I can record some these sounds. There's a "base humming" > sound in the background if I crank all the way up the volume either on > my speakers or headphones. > > Anyway, my question is what are these, and why are these produced? I > know they respond to activity in the computer, mainly from X, or the > video card, but why? > > Another thing that I think I read somewhere a while back. I have > optical drives connected to the sound card through analog cables... Is > it possible that these are working as "antennas" and what I hear is > actually the the activity of the PSU/CPU/Memroy, etc? > Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFEyHrVXM+XOp70dwoRAsj5AJ4xXaDY42LzDVqHODDortO3YK7gjwCdGQsT > 3RrbKGGkvr+Sn3/fI6yEWq0= > =52/R > From ivalladolidt at terra.es Thu Jul 27 07:58:32 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Jul 27 07:59:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] X events making noise through soundcard. In-Reply-To: <20060727113626.GW9439@fitz.Belkin> References: <44C87AD6.4020709@prodigy.net.mx> <20060727113626.GW9439@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060727115832.GA2732@spma33> james@dis-dot-dat.net escribe: > Alternatively, try and only move your mouse and perform window > operations in time with your music. OK, and any chance to record the graphic card interference to the soundcard when moving the mouse, applying some cannon reverb and use it as an ambient pad!? Cordially, Ismael -- Dropping science like when Galileo dropped his orange! From clemens at ladisch.de Thu Jul 27 08:40:35 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu Jul 27 08:44:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Analog mixers with USB connection In-Reply-To: <20060726110726.GA1564@spma33> References: <20060726110726.GA1564@spma33> Message-ID: <20060727124035.GA2972@ifiu1.informatik.uni-halle.de> Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Any comments about whether they're usable with Linux? Any audio device that does not require a separate driver and that works with the standard drivers included in MacOS or Windows will work with Linux, too. > [1]Alesis MultiMix 8USB > [2]Yamaha new USB mixing studios The Alesis one seems to be OK. The Yamaha website isn't very clear on this point. HTH Clemens From renick at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 10:14:33 2006 From: renick at gmail.com (Renick Bell) Date: Thu Jul 27 10:14:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem: jackd, real-time, permissions, RLIMITS Message-ID: I've been working on this problem now for days, and I can't see where my mistake is (if I have made one). I have two identical computers running Gentoo with the proaudio overlay. I have 2.6.16-rt29 working on one computer, using RLIMITS. I can start jackd through qjackctl with the realtime option, 64 frames/period, 2 periods/buffer. I get no error messages and only get an occasional xrun when starting new applications. I have tried to duplicate that setup on another computer; however, I always get these errors, which don't occur on the properly-functioning computer: cannot lock down memory for jackd (Cannot allocate memory) cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 20) [for thread 49156, from thread 49156] (1: Operation not permitted) cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 10) [for thread 65541, from thread 65541] (1: Operation not permitted) This is followed by tons of xruns. Here is more relevant information on my configuration (identical on both computers): renick@localhost ~ $ uname -a Linux localhost 2.6.16-rt29 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jul 22 21:16:25 JST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux renick@localhost ~ $ groups wheel floppy audio cdrom video usb users # /etc/security/limits.conf # REALTIME support for audio group users @audio - rtprio 90 @audio - nice -5 @audio - memlock 512000 localhost renick # equery which pam /usr/portage/local/layman/pro-audio/sys-libs/pam/pam-0.78-r6.ebuild localhost renick # emerge -s pam * sys-libs/pam Latest version available: 0.78-r6 Latest version installed: 0.78-r6 localhost renick # equery which jack-audio-connection-kit /usr/portage/local/layman/pro-audio/media-sound/jack-audio-connection-kit/jack-audio-connection-kit-0.9999.ebuild localhost renick # emerge -s jack-audio * media-sound/jack-audio-connection-kit Latest version available: 0.9999 Latest version installed: 0.100.7-r3 This version, 0.100.7-r3, is the same version that is working on my other computer. I've asked on the proaudio list about this problem, but I haven't received an answer so I am asking here (is a four-day lag cross-posting? if so, sorry...). What could be causing the jack errors? Are there any other places besides /etc/security/limits.conf that I should be checking for correct configuration? Advice? Thanks! Renick From denisfalqueto at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 11:51:07 2006 From: denisfalqueto at gmail.com (Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto) Date: Thu Jul 27 11:51:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem: jackd, real-time, permissions, RLIMITS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/27/06, Renick Bell wrote: > I've been working on this problem now for days, and I can't see where > my mistake is (if I have made one). I have two identical computers > running Gentoo with the proaudio overlay. I have 2.6.16-rt29 working > on one computer, using RLIMITS. I can start jackd through qjackctl > with the realtime option, 64 frames/period, 2 periods/buffer. I get no > error messages and only get an occasional xrun when starting new > applications. I have tried to duplicate that setup on another > computer; however, I always get these errors, which don't occur on the > properly-functioning computer: > > cannot lock down memory for jackd (Cannot allocate memory) > cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 20) [for thread > 49156, from thread 49156] (1: Operation not permitted) > cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 10) [for thread > 65541, from thread 65541] (1: Operation not permitted) > > This is followed by tons of xruns. > > Here is more relevant information on my configuration (identical on > both computers): > > renick@localhost ~ $ uname -a > Linux localhost 2.6.16-rt29 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jul 22 21:16:25 JST 2006 > i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux > renick@localhost ~ $ groups > wheel floppy audio cdrom video usb users > > # /etc/security/limits.conf > # REALTIME support for audio group users > @audio - rtprio 90 > @audio - nice -5 > @audio - memlock 512000 > > localhost renick # equery which pam > /usr/portage/local/layman/pro-audio/sys-libs/pam/pam-0.78-r6.ebuild > > localhost renick # emerge -s pam > * sys-libs/pam > Latest version available: 0.78-r6 > Latest version installed: 0.78-r6 > > localhost renick # equery which jack-audio-connection-kit > /usr/portage/local/layman/pro-audio/media-sound/jack-audio-connection-kit/jack-audio-connection-kit-0.9999.ebuild > > localhost renick # emerge -s jack-audio > * media-sound/jack-audio-connection-kit > Latest version available: 0.9999 > Latest version installed: 0.100.7-r3 > > This version, 0.100.7-r3, is the same version that is working on my > other computer. > > I've asked on the proaudio list about this problem, but I haven't > received an answer so I am asking here (is a four-day lag > cross-posting? if so, sorry...). What could be causing the jack > errors? Are there any other places besides /etc/security/limits.conf > that I should be checking for correct configuration? Advice? > > Thanks! > > Renick > Hi Renick. I run through this kind of problem some time ago, but with ArchLinux. There is one place that you could look, just to be sure: /etc/pam.d. This directory contains several files, one for each program that supports PAM. So, in my case, there is a file named kde, which says how kdm will make its authentication with PAM. In the case of Arch, there was a bug in this file. It didn't contain the following line: session pam_limits.so This instructs kdm to load the pam_limits module, so that PAM can allow/deny access to the realtime capabilities configured in /etc/security/limits.conf. After I changed /etc/pam.d/kde, jack was able to get realtime right. Be sure to look the right file, according with your login method. Hope that helps, allthough I presume that it is right on your system. Just my 0.02 cents. -- ------------------------------------------- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto ------------------------------------------- From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Jul 27 13:03:14 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Jul 27 13:03:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] X events making noise through soundcard. In-Reply-To: <20060727115832.GA2732@spma33> References: <44C87AD6.4020709@prodigy.net.mx> <20060727113626.GW9439@fitz.Belkin> <20060727115832.GA2732@spma33> Message-ID: <20060727180314.20c52b8b@localhost> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:58:32 +0200 Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > james@dis-dot-dat.net escribe: > > Alternatively, try and only move your mouse and perform window > > operations in time with your music. > > OK, and any chance to record the graphic card interference to the > soundcard when moving the mouse, applying some cannon reverb and use > it as an ambient pad!? > > Cordially, Ismael Could start a new fashion. Interactive music :) -- Will J G From florin at andrei.myip.org Thu Jul 27 13:36:49 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Thu Jul 27 13:36:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: customize equalizer for XMMS? In-Reply-To: <1153957184.2927.42.camel@mindpipe> References: <1153950816.31195.21.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1153955077.2927.26.camel@mindpipe> <1153956303.2927.35.camel@mindpipe> <44C7FC98.7040107@gmx.net> <1153957184.2927.42.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1154021809.11380.13.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 19:39 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > jackd is recommended for pro audio use but should not be required for > desktop stuff. But yes, a key requirement should be NATIVE jack support > (not bio2jack) My thoughts exactly. BTW, I'm using the TAP Equalizer/BW to clear the roughness in the mid-highs and the 4-band parametric filter to give bass a kick in the pants. Seems to be working fine. I wish there was a way to sort the plugins by function, not by ID. Ah well... -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From _ at whats-your.name Thu Jul 27 13:57:27 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Jul 27 13:57:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: customize equalizer for XMMS? In-Reply-To: <1154021809.11380.13.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <1153950816.31195.21.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> <1153955077.2927.26.camel@mindpipe> <1153956303.2927.35.camel@mindpipe> <44C7FC98.7040107@gmx.net> <1153957184.2927.42.camel@mindpipe> <1154021809.11380.13.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <20060727175727.GA30303@replic.net> > I wish there was a way to sort the plugins by function, not by ID LV2 has this From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Thu Jul 27 15:03:57 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Thu Jul 27 15:03:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] X events making noise through soundcard. In-Reply-To: <44C87AD6.4020709@prodigy.net.mx> References: <44C87AD6.4020709@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <44C90E1D.3070701@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thank you all for the suggestions. I will apply some of them, as for moving the card, it already is in the farthest PCI slot available. I will, however remove the analog cables, as they pass rather close to the graphics card, and they might be acting as "antennas" to pick up the EM emitted by it (not to mention the rather big HSF the GeForces nowadays include :)). I guess a quick and dirty test could be to only mute the CD-In and Aux controls and see if those stop these sounds... Will report back. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEyQ4dXM+XOp70dwoRAqsDAKCKbfNLeXKNuuCS98TD/7lRFRwtjACfZt3Y Y8R4j5o8A5bqalvEu3QR394= =zIPq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From _ at whats-your.name Thu Jul 27 15:07:40 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Jul 27 15:07:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] X events making noise through soundcard. In-Reply-To: <44C90E1D.3070701@prodigy.net.mx> References: <44C87AD6.4020709@prodigy.net.mx> <44C90E1D.3070701@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <20060727190740.GC30303@replic.net> On Thu Jul 27, 2006 at 02:03:57PM -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thank you all for the suggestions. I will apply some of them, as for > moving the card, it already is in the farthest PCI slot available. I > will, however remove the analog cables, as they pass rather close to > the graphics card, and they might be acting as "antennas" to pick up > the EM emitted by it (not to mention the rather big HSF the GeForces > nowadays include :)). I guess a quick and dirty test could be to only > mute the CD-In and Aux controls and see if those stop these sounds... > Will report back. another thing (not sure it applies to SBLive or not, but it has to most onboard sound ive used), is the 'external amplifier' button in the alsa mixer. on Windows this is just permanently enabled. toggling this generally switches between silence and hiss and interference noises. with it disabled, and Master on 100%, putting PCM at around 80% is enough to drive MDR-V6 at comfortable levels. in otherwords bypass the crappy amp. better yet, bypas the crappy soundcard entirely :) From groups at xscd.com Thu Jul 27 20:41:55 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Thu Jul 27 20:42:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music In-Reply-To: <20060725130816.GC7293@charly.SWORD> References: <20060723065724.GB7048@xscd.com> <20060723080829.GA7281@charly.SWORD> <20060723133954.GA2358@xscd.com> <20060725130816.GC7293@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060728004155.GA2551@xscd.com> On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 03:08:16PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Single Hydrogen pattern attached. Requires Millo-Drums v3 from top > of the list on http://www.hydrogen-music.org/?p=drumkits and > Hydrogen >= 0.9.3. > > If anyone gets that to work and likes it enough to work with it, > I will add variations, fills and breaks :) --- --- Thank you very much for posting that Hydrogen percussion track Thorsten. I like it very much. I have downloaded it and and going to try to work with it. Thanks again-- Steve From rtp405 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 23:58:11 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Thu Jul 27 23:58:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: rsync mirror, scripting question In-Reply-To: <20060726083052.845682B435F@aspodata.se> Message-ID: <20060728035812.86812.qmail@web39701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Karl Hammar wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I use rsync and cron to mirror the /dev/sda array. > > Mounted into that array is removable media that > should > > not be mirrored. I'm sure someone will see why > $LABEL > > is not being excluded much quicker than I can. > > > > #!/bin/bash > > #mirror ~/clients, delete from destination > anything > > that doesn't exist at source > > #do not mirror removable media; anything other > than > > /dev/sda > > #kill with ctrl-c, --partial allows resuming of > > session > > > > #find scsi device labels > > for arg in `ls /dev/sd[b-d][1-16]` > > do > > echo `/sbin/dumpe2fs -h $arg |grep Filesystem\ > > volume\ name` > /home/studio/.bin/syncExclude > > done > > > > #use sed for character substitution > > LABELS=`cat /home/studio/.bin/syncExclude |sed > > 's/Filesystem volume name:\ //'` > > > > rsync --exclude=$LABELS --rsh=ssh --times --perms > > --owner --verbose --progress --compress --delete > > --recursive --stats --partial > > --temp-dir=/media/mirror/tmp --bwlimit=0 > > /home/studio/clients/ /media/mirror/clients > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ron > > Why don't you simply use -x? Because that could be to simple and direct. :) Thanks for the hint. Actually, I used the LABEL because I'm writing another script that rsyncs removable media if local and remote LABEL match. I think it's working. Maybe I'll post that one up for review too. If you've got time I'd love to have it torn into. Thanks, Ron > $ man rsync 2>/dev/null | grep one-file > -x, --one-file-system don't cross > filesystem boundaries > $ > > Regards, > /Karl > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Karl Hammar Asp? Data > karl@aspodata.se > Lilla Asp? 2340 > Networks > S-742 94 ?sthammar +46 173 140 57 > Computers > Sweden +46 70 511 97 84 > Consulting > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Fri Jul 28 00:25:13 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Fri Jul 28 00:24:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] X events making noise through soundcard. In-Reply-To: <20060727190740.GC30303@replic.net> References: <44C87AD6.4020709@prodigy.net.mx> <44C90E1D.3070701@prodigy.net.mx> <20060727190740.GC30303@replic.net> Message-ID: <44C991A9.6060208@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 carmen escribi?: > > another thing (not sure it applies to SBLive or not, but it has to most onboard sound ive used), > > is the 'external amplifier' button in the alsa mixer. on Windows this is just permanently enabled. toggling this generally switches between silence and hiss and interference noises. with it disabled, and Master on 100%, putting PCM at around 80% is enough to drive MDR-V6 at comfortable levels. > > > in otherwords bypass the crappy amp. better yet, bypas the crappy soundcard entirely :) > Yet again, thanks for the suggestions, Carmen. However, as odd as it seems, it actually HAD effect if I disabled the Aux entry. I will remove the analog cable for the DVD drive now! I right now have the headset on, with its volume control set all the way up (PCM is at about 71% as I have a surround setting, and have to balance Surround and PCM to be able to "properly" hear the 4 channels output). I must admit I was rather surprised that this actually had any effect in the end! Thanks again to all who responded! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEyZGpXM+XOp70dwoRAsMdAJ0TIVF78YS/u9dhFxaT6ogYeg/NmQCdGoOg aXEfaDku1aUnrnucKpq06P8= =hqz0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rtp405 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 00:31:23 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Fri Jul 28 00:31:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: another rsync script, reviews please In-Reply-To: <20060728035812.86812.qmail@web39701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060728043123.90374.qmail@web39710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi *, The following script uses rsync over LAN to mirror a raid1 array. If anyone has a better method for performing the task, I'd be interested in knowing about it or my method is OK but the script could use some improvements, etc. Please don't be sensetive with your comments. I really like having my ass handed to me. The problem with rsync mirror occurs when the source is lost and rsync mirrors nothing. The mirror is supposed to be a backup. I'll read the rsync man page but maybe someone knows an appropriate solution. #!/bin/bash #rsync; mirror studioagig:~/clients/$remLABEL (remote removable media) /media/clients/$locLABEL (local) if device LABELs match #write labels with /sbin/tune2fs -L fsb /dev/sda1 #root priveleges are required to run dumpe2fs #find label for remote scsi device for arg in `ssh root@studioagig ls /dev/sd[b-d][1-16]` do echo `ssh root@studioagig /sbin/dumpe2fs -h $arg |grep Filesystem\ volume\ name` > ~/.bin/RemoteSyncInclude done #find label for local mirror device for arg in `ls /dev/sd[a-f][1-16]` do echo `/sbin/dumpe2fs -h $arg |grep Filesystem\ volume\ name` > ~/.bin/LocalSyncInclude done remLABEL=`cat ~/.bin/RemoteSyncExclude |sed 's/Filesystem volume name:\ //'` locLABEL=`cat ~/.bin/LocalSyncExclude |sed 's/Filesystem volume name:\ //'` if [ "$remLABEL" == "$locLABEL" ]; then rsync --rsh=ssh --times --perms --owner --compress --delete --recursive --partial --temp-dir=/tmp --bwlimit=0 studio@studioagig:/home/studio/clients/$remLABEL/ /media/clients fi exit Thanks, Ron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Fri Jul 28 03:25:26 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (kjetil@ccrma.stanford.edu) Date: Fri Jul 28 04:44:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] das_watchdog V0.2.4 and jack_capture V0.3.7 Message-ID: New source location: http://www.notam02.no/~kjetism/src/ (Sorry, I have temporarily lost access to both my previously used upload directories) das_watchdog ************************************************************************* Whenever a program locks up the machine, das_watchdog will temporarily sets all realtime process to non-realtime for 8 seconds. You will get an xmessage window up on the screen whenever that happens. Changes 0.2.3->0.2.4 -------------------- *Test if the xmessage program found during the make process is a valid executable. If not, search the $PATH instead. This should fix it for Gentoo when the pro-audio overlay is updated to at least this version. *Various modifications for the High Res Timer, which should be used instead of setting the timer interrupt process to SCHED_FIFO/99. jack_capture ************************************************************************* jack_capture is a small program to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers into a file without having to patch jack connections, fiddle around with fileformats, or set options on the argument line. This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no one made. So here it is. Changes 0.3.1 -> 0.3.7: ----------------------- *Fixed potentional buffer underrun error. *Fixed potentional ringbuffer size allocation miscalculation. *Better way to set leading zeros in filename. Thanks to Melanie. *Better underrun handling. Thanks to Dmitry Baikov. *Added support for jack buffer size change. *Removed some unnecessary code and comments *Beautified code a bit. *Fixed a bug in the reconnection code. *Beautified code a lot. *Changed bufsize argument to accept seconds instead of frames. Default buffer size is 60 seconds. *Improved documentation and help option. *Beautified source a bit. *Fixed bug in ringbuffer size allocation. *Fixed so that more than one instance of jack_capture can run at once. From perodog at gmx.net Fri Jul 28 05:42:27 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Fri Jul 28 05:42:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] symbol link to libjack Message-ID: <44C9DC03.8030808@gmx.net> hi to the list, i recompiled all jack-dependent stuff on my machine, for being able to use the jackd from svn. since all the appis have been compiled while jackd was installed as a debian package, after replacing jackd with the svn version, the appis complains not to be able to start, because they dont find "libjack-100.so.0 shared objeckt. so i made a symlink from /usr/local/lib/libjack.so.0 to /usr/lib/libjack-100.so.0. now everything works fine and i was able to compile rezound and finally to apply the lashd patch to zynadd and rebuild. my question might sound funny for some of you, but: is it a kind of security risk or a performance loss, if now sound appis needing /usr/lib/libjack100.so.0 for their work, get the symlink to /usr/local...? hope that someone will know more about this issue, cheers, doc From markus at herhoffer.net Fri Jul 28 06:33:08 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Fri Jul 28 06:33:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Histogram Message-ID: <44C9E7E4.4000408@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello! For some research on musical recordings I need a software that is able to generate a graphical histogram (or a CSV table) out of an audio file. I need the dB on the x-axis and the frequency distribution on the y-axis. Audacity is somehow able to do this, but it only analyzes the first 30 seconds. That's insufficient for Beethoven's 9th :-) I could code this by myself but I don't want to invent the wheel a second time. Any ideas? Markus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEyefkuXdsp50C0vMRAlGCAJoCoigFdBpx9do1KN5rdBiml5WQ5QCgsGy7 IrC8WO6bwdJQZuqx/HRtThg= =xGOS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From t_w_ at freenet.de Fri Jul 28 08:16:45 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Fri Jul 28 08:17:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music In-Reply-To: <20060728004155.GA2551@xscd.com> References: <20060723065724.GB7048@xscd.com> <20060723080829.GA7281@charly.SWORD> <20060723133954.GA2358@xscd.com> <20060725130816.GC7293@charly.SWORD> <20060728004155.GA2551@xscd.com> Message-ID: <20060728121645.GA7354@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 06:41:55PM -0600, Steve D wrote: > > If anyone gets that to work and likes it enough to work with it, > > I will add variations, fills and breaks :) > --- --- > > Thank you very much for posting that Hydrogen percussion track Thorsten. > I like it very much. I have downloaded it and and going to try to work > with it. Thanks again-- My pleasure. I'm confident whatever you come up with will be more than worth my little effort :) Not wanting to put you under pressure, I can always recycle this stuff. New attachment, with Into, variations, breaks, fills and a mini arrangement for presentation. This drummer needs to be pirate with a parrot on his shoulder to manage the ride, I guess ... whatever grooves is my approach to drum programming ;) -- Thorsten Wilms -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 02.h2song.bz2 Type: application/octet-stream Size: 3047 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060728/26ffeb41/02.h2song.obj From torbenh at gmx.de Fri Jul 28 09:30:02 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Fri Jul 28 09:30:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Analog mixers with USB connection In-Reply-To: <20060727124035.GA2972@ifiu1.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <20060726110726.GA1564@spma33> <20060727124035.GA2972@ifiu1.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <20060728133002.GB8398@mobilat> On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 02:40:35PM +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > Any comments about whether they're usable with Linux? > > Any audio device that does not require a separate driver and that works > with the standard drivers included in MacOS or Windows will work with > Linux, too. > > > [1]Alesis MultiMix 8USB > > [2]Yamaha new USB mixing studios > > The Alesis one seems to be OK. The Yamaha website isn't very clear on > this point. i have an alesis and i am quite happy. using the connected PC as an FX device is quite tricky, but works. if you have some money and time you should wait for dice-2 support in freebob and get a firewire mixer instead, though. also note that the alesis usb is only 16bit 44.1kHz its not an error to run at 48kHz but you only record silence. > > > HTH > Clemens > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From a.gatt at btinternet.com Fri Jul 28 11:03:19 2006 From: a.gatt at btinternet.com (andrew gatt) Date: Fri Jul 28 10:57:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to get SPDIF working with ALSA and M-Audio 2496 References: Message-ID: <008501c6b256$f63e2fc0$0400000a@knuckles2> Hello all, I've been trying to get the spdif output of my m-audio 2496 card for a while now. I've played with .asoundrc files given on the alsa website and used the envy24 control but i still get nothing. Does anyone have a simple to follow step by step guide on getting the spdif to work? Any help would be really appreciated! Andrew From dsbaikov at gmail.com Fri Jul 28 11:25:42 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Fri Jul 28 11:25:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Histogram In-Reply-To: <44C9E7E4.4000408@herhoffer.net> References: <44C9E7E4.4000408@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <70a871c80607280825v3a259335t3fd1ff5ddc472af3@mail.gmail.com> > For some research on musical recordings I need a software that is able > to generate a graphical histogram (or a CSV table) out of an audio file. > I need the dB on the x-axis and the frequency distribution on the y-axis. This is called spectrogram. It looks like histogram but it is not it. Search for FFT, Fast Fourier Transform. Look at Mammut, it said to do one gigantic FFT of all input data (no windows). http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/sgi/mammut.tar.gz I haven't used it, though. Regards, Dmitry. From markus at herhoffer.net Fri Jul 28 11:36:49 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Fri Jul 28 11:37:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Histogram In-Reply-To: <70a871c80607280825v3a259335t3fd1ff5ddc472af3@mail.gmail.com> References: <44C9E7E4.4000408@herhoffer.net> <70a871c80607280825v3a259335t3fd1ff5ddc472af3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44CA2F11.20004@herhoffer.net> Well, I've written frequency distribution but I meant level distribution. So I think "histogram" is the right term. Markus Dmitry Baikov wrote: >> For some research on musical recordings I need a software that is able >> to generate a graphical histogram (or a CSV table) out of an audio file. >> I need the dB on the x-axis and the frequency distribution on the y-axis. > > This is called spectrogram. It looks like histogram but it is not it. > Search for FFT, Fast Fourier Transform. > > Look at Mammut, it said to do one gigantic FFT of all input data (no > windows). > http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/sgi/mammut.tar.gz > > I haven't used it, though. > > Regards, > Dmitry. From dsbaikov at gmail.com Fri Jul 28 11:42:27 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Fri Jul 28 11:42:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Histogram In-Reply-To: <44CA2F11.20004@herhoffer.net> References: <44C9E7E4.4000408@herhoffer.net> <70a871c80607280825v3a259335t3fd1ff5ddc472af3@mail.gmail.com> <44CA2F11.20004@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <70a871c80607280842y21034b32l50d8d4e5a926aa14@mail.gmail.com> On 7/28/06, Markus Herhoffer wrote: > Well, I've written frequency distribution but I meant level > distribution. So I think "histogram" is the right term. > In this case you can easily build it yourself. libsndfile is your friend. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Jul 28 12:19:17 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 28 12:04:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Histogram In-Reply-To: <70a871c80607280825v3a259335t3fd1ff5ddc472af3@mail.gmail.com> References: <44C9E7E4.4000408@herhoffer.net> <70a871c80607280825v3a259335t3fd1ff5ddc472af3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44CA3905.70000@woh.rr.com> Dmitry Baikov wrote: >> For some research on musical recordings I need a software that is able >> to generate a graphical histogram (or a CSV table) out of an audio file. >> I need the dB on the x-axis and the frequency distribution on the >> y-axis. > Have you looked at Sonic Visualizer ? http://sv1.sourceforge.net Or Baudline ? http://www.baudline.com/ Snd can probably be coaxed into doing a histogram, but Bill Schottstaedt will have to tell if & how it can be done. Best, dp From perodog at gmx.net Fri Jul 28 12:32:09 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Fri Jul 28 12:31:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Histogram In-Reply-To: <44CA3905.70000@woh.rr.com> References: <44C9E7E4.4000408@herhoffer.net> <70a871c80607280825v3a259335t3fd1ff5ddc472af3@mail.gmail.com> <44CA3905.70000@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44CA3C09.9020800@gmx.net> hi, how to start sonic with jack? jacklaunch does not work. cheers, doc Dave Phillips wrote: > Dmitry Baikov wrote: > >>> For some research on musical recordings I need a software that is able >>> to generate a graphical histogram (or a CSV table) out of an audio >>> file. >>> I need the dB on the x-axis and the frequency distribution on the >>> y-axis. >> > Have you looked at Sonic Visualizer ? > > http://sv1.sourceforge.net > > Or Baudline ? > > http://www.baudline.com/ > > Snd can probably be coaxed into doing a histogram, but Bill > Schottstaedt will have to tell if & how it can be done. > > Best, > > dp > > From st at tobiah.org Fri Jul 28 13:35:12 2006 From: st at tobiah.org (st) Date: Fri Jul 28 13:35:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Histogram In-Reply-To: <44CA2F11.20004@herhoffer.net> References: <44C9E7E4.4000408@herhoffer.net> <70a871c80607280825v3a259335t3fd1ff5ddc472af3@mail.gmail.com> <44CA2F11.20004@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <44CA4AD0.9080508@tobiah.org> Markus Herhoffer wrote: > Well, I've written frequency distribution but I meant level > distribution. So I think "histogram" is the right term. There is a command-line program called VU at: http://tobiah.org. It is character based, but you can adjust the resolution up to sample level if you want. I used it once in a class where we were supposed to analyze the level of a piece of music over time by watching the VU meter on the tape recorder and trying to match it up to a graph with a stop watch. This was in like 1990. I wowed the class by showing up with a huge dot matrix greenbar graph of the piece. Toby From nescivi at gmail.com Fri Jul 28 13:57:16 2006 From: nescivi at gmail.com (Marije Baalman) Date: Fri Jul 28 13:57:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] version BruteFIR package in PlanetCCRMA? Message-ID: <44CA4FFC.8090701@gmail.com> Hi, can anyone tell me which version of BruteFIR is packaged in PlanetCCRMA? I can't tell from the website, and I'm trying to give a user on Fedora some support to use swonder, which needs at least version 1.0c. Any pointers to other rpm-packages for brutefir which he could install are also welcome... sincerely, Marije From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Jul 28 15:20:25 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 28 15:05:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine Message-ID: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Well, the hardware has been assembled, but I have a show-stopper of a problem. When I try to start the machine I get a flash from the cool blue lights on my Antec case, the CPU fan does a little jig, then nothing. :( So how do I go about diagnosing this thing ? All possible connections have been made between the case, the power supply, and the mobo. I've scoured the manuals for those pieces, I can't see that I've missed connecting anything. Here's the main machine parts: MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard AMD64 CPU Antec Sonata II case with power supply 1 GB RAM in slot 1 Seagate Barracuda drive Lite-on DVD/CD RW drive Any and all suggestions are welcome. I'd like to get this iron running myself, the bench fees at the local shops are outrageous. Best, dp From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Jul 28 15:17:52 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Jul 28 15:18:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200607282117.52521.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 28 July 2006 21:20, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > Well, the hardware has been assembled, but I have a show-stopper of a > problem. When I try to start the machine I get a flash from the cool > blue lights on my Antec case, the CPU fan does a little jig, then > nothing. :( > > So how do I go about diagnosing this thing ? All possible connections > have been made between the case, the power supply, and the mobo. I've > scoured the manuals for those pieces, I can't see that I've missed > connecting anything. > > Here's the main machine parts: > > MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard > AMD64 CPU > Antec Sonata II case with power supply > 1 GB RAM in slot 1 > Seagate Barracuda drive > Lite-on DVD/CD RW drive > > Any and all suggestions are welcome. I'd like to get this iron running > myself, the bench fees at the local shops are outrageous. > > Best, > > dp Hi Dave. I'll start the show off. Harddrive on the first IDE contoller, and set to master? DVD/CD RW drive on the second IDE controller, and set to master? I hope you used a well grounded wrist strap when putting it all together. Nigel. From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri Jul 28 15:19:04 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri Jul 28 15:19:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060728191904.GB9445@slinkp.com> On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 03:20:25PM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > Well, the hardware has been assembled, but I have a show-stopper of a > problem. When I try to start the machine I get a flash from the cool > blue lights on my Antec case, the CPU fan does a little jig, then > nothing. :( > > So how do I go about diagnosing this thing ? All possible connections > have been made between the case, the power supply, and the mobo. I've > scoured the manuals for those pieces, I can't see that I've missed > connecting anything. > > Here's the main machine parts: > > MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard > AMD64 CPU > Antec Sonata II case with power supply > 1 GB RAM in slot 1 > Seagate Barracuda drive > Lite-on DVD/CD RW drive > > Any and all suggestions are welcome. I'd like to get this iron running > myself, the bench fees at the local shops are outrageous. Any beeps? http://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From daneasley at gmail.com Fri Jul 28 15:23:21 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Fri Jul 28 15:23:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: Dave, I had this exact trouble moving an old computer into the same model case last week. What I found: There's the big power connection to the motherboard that we're all familiar with. The motherboard I have has two additional 12V sockets - one that's square-shaped and one that's the same format as drives use. I plugged in both and had the same results as you - perhaps with more fear, as I thought that flash was something blowing (having no clue that the case has LEDs. :) I unplugged one of those additional 12V leads from the motherboard - I chose to unplug the drive-format one, freeing it up to power a drive, keeping the weird square-shaped one plugged in. It then ran fine. Apparently they are redundant, but you can only use one. Note I've found no documentation regarding these newfangled additional power connections anywhere, and have no clue why they're even necessary. Hopefully you've the same issue. (Addendum: looking at pictures of your board online, I don't see a drive-style power connector (though I may be missing it - those pictures are tiny!), but I do see the square-shaped one - is that plugged in?) If none of the above, I suggest double-checking/experimenting with the direction that the power/reset-switch leads from the case are plugged in. On 7/28/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > Well, the hardware has been assembled, but I have a show-stopper of a > problem. When I try to start the machine I get a flash from the cool > blue lights on my Antec case, the CPU fan does a little jig, then > nothing. :( > > So how do I go about diagnosing this thing ? All possible connections > have been made between the case, the power supply, and the mobo. I've > scoured the manuals for those pieces, I can't see that I've missed > connecting anything. > > Here's the main machine parts: > > MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard > AMD64 CPU > Antec Sonata II case with power supply > 1 GB RAM in slot 1 > Seagate Barracuda drive > Lite-on DVD/CD RW drive > > Any and all suggestions are welcome. I'd like to get this iron running > myself, the bench fees at the local shops are outrageous. > > Best, > > dp > > > > -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Jul 28 15:48:19 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 28 15:33:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <20060728191904.GB9445@slinkp.com> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> <20060728191904.GB9445@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <44CA6A03.2010805@woh.rr.com> Paul Winkler wrote: >Any beeps? >http://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm > > No beeps. :( From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Jul 28 15:51:10 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 28 15:36:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44CA6AAE.7080204@woh.rr.com> Dan Easley wrote: > There's the big power connection to the motherboard that we're all > familiar with. The motherboard I have has two additional 12V sockets > - one that's square-shaped and one that's the same format as drives > use. I plugged in both and had the same results as you - perhaps with > more fear, as I thought that flash was something blowing (having no > clue that the case has LEDs. :) > > I unplugged one of those additional 12V leads from the motherboard - I > chose to unplug the drive-format one, freeing it up to power a drive, > keeping the weird square-shaped one plugged in. It then ran fine. > Apparently they are redundant, but you can only use one. According to the Antec manual the square-shaped connector is the CPU power connection. It is plugged in correctly. > If none of the above, I suggest double-checking/experimenting with the > direction that the power/reset-switch leads from the case are plugged in. I'll try that. I always get that sort of thing mixed up. Thanks for the suggestions ! :) Best, dp From timg at expressmart.com Fri Jul 28 19:37:48 2006 From: timg at expressmart.com (Tim Gorman) Date: Fri Jul 28 15:38:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <44CA6A03.2010805@woh.rr.com> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> <20060728191904.GB9445@slinkp.com> <44CA6A03.2010805@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44CA9FCC.2070509@expressmart.com> Dave Phillips wrote: > Paul Winkler wrote: > >> Any beeps? >> http://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm >> >> > No beeps. :( > Best be when having this type of issue is to "go back to the basics.." unplug all the accessories and try to boot. if it still fails to run...then diagnose the issue (without the variables)... From st at tobiah.org Fri Jul 28 16:28:33 2006 From: st at tobiah.org (st) Date: Fri Jul 28 16:29:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44CA7371.4080102@tobiah.org> Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > Well, the hardware has been assembled, but I have a show-stopper of a > problem. When I try to start the machine I get a flash from the cool > blue lights on my Antec case, the CPU fan does a little jig, then > nothing. :( This could easily be th power supply. Do you have another case handy? The next thing I would do is to take out every card and hard drive, and see if the thing beeps. If it does, add the video card back in (make sure no onboard devices conflict!), then the first hard drive, and so-on. If you have no joy, then I say it's power supply, CPU, mother board, in that order. You will simply have to swap them out to find out. Not that I know a damn thing about any of this. Also, are you sure that your power supply can handle your setup? Removing the drives might help find out. If you are drawing too many amps from the power supply, I would expect the sort of behaviour that you are experiencing. It seems like 500W is par for the course these days. Also, don't tell me that you turned the power on EVEN FOR A SECOND without a greased and powered cpu cooler attached. Toby From daneasley at gmail.com Fri Jul 28 16:33:50 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Fri Jul 28 16:33:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <44CA7371.4080102@tobiah.org> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> <44CA7371.4080102@tobiah.org> Message-ID: On 7/28/06, st wrote: > If you > have no joy, then I say it's power supply, CPU, mother board, > in that order. You will simply have to swap them out to find > out. Seconded. It's one of these three components - anything else would give a problem at POST, but we're not to POST yet. > Also, don't tell me that you turned the power on EVEN FOR A SECOND > without a greased and powered cpu cooler attached. Yeah, I did that once. That's about as long as it takes for the magic smoke to escape. -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Jul 28 16:53:13 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 28 16:38:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <44CA7371.4080102@tobiah.org> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> <44CA7371.4080102@tobiah.org> Message-ID: <44CA7939.2010008@woh.rr.com> st wrote: > This could easily be th power supply. Do you have another case handy? Not one with a sufficient PS. :( > The next thing I would do is to take out every card and > hard drive, and see if the thing beeps. If it does, > add the video card back in (make sure no onboard devices > conflict!), then the first hard drive, and so-on. If you > have no joy, then I say it's power supply, CPU, mother board, > in that order. You will simply have to swap them out to find out. That looks like the order of the day. Alas, I probably won't get to it until later this weekend. > Also, are you sure that your power supply can handle your > setup? Removing the drives might help find out. If you > are drawing too many amps from the power supply, I would > expect the sort of behaviour that you are experiencing. > It seems like 500W is par for the course these days. The Sonata II comes with a 450W PS, it should be good enough for this system. > Also, don't tell me that you turned the power on EVEN FOR A SECOND > without a greased and powered cpu cooler attached. No fear, the CPU is covered by a massive Zalman fan. Power hasn't remained on for more than a second anyway. I'll take out drives etc., will see what happens next. Best, dp From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Jul 28 16:41:34 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Jul 28 16:41:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607281341o70b7477eu784075d3692ef015@mail.gmail.com> On 7/28/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > Well, the hardware has been assembled, but I have a show-stopper of a > problem. When I try to start the machine I get a flash from the cool > blue lights on my Antec case, the CPU fan does a little jig, then > nothing. :( > > So how do I go about diagnosing this thing ? All possible connections > have been made between the case, the power supply, and the mobo. I've > scoured the manuals for those pieces, I can't see that I've missed > connecting anything. > > Here's the main machine parts: > > MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard > AMD64 CPU > Antec Sonata II case with power supply > 1 GB RAM in slot 1 > Seagate Barracuda drive > Lite-on DVD/CD RW drive > > Any and all suggestions are welcome. I'd like to get this iron running > myself, the bench fees at the local shops are outrageous. > > Best, > > dp Sorry to hear about the problems. If you aren't getting beep codes then you have apretty fundamental problem indicating the processor is not taking the initial jump to BIOS. 1) Remove all PCI cards 2) If the MB has an onboard VGA and you have an AGP VGA installed then remove the AGP card and use the onboard VGA 3) Disconnect power and cabling to all hard drives and DVD drives 4) Power up and see if you get different results. If it still fails then there are a few possibilities: YOU ARE NOT ROOT CAUSE: 1) Bad MB 2) Bad PS 3) Bad processor 4) Bad memory YOU ARE ROOT CAUSE 1) Bad PS connections 2) Bent pins on the processor if you were the person who set it. (Or even if someone else did.) You can pull the processor and double check that no pins were bent when you put it in. You can also look into resetting the memory DIMMs. I wish I could be of more help Dave. I've been through these things before. I've had every problem mentioned above. Good luck finding the root cause. Cheers, Mark From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Jul 28 17:14:58 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Jul 28 17:15:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <44CA7939.2010008@woh.rr.com> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> <44CA7371.4080102@tobiah.org> <44CA7939.2010008@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200607282314.58687.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 28 July 2006 22:53, Dave Phillips wrote: > st wrote: > > This could easily be th power supply. Do you have another case handy? > > Not one with a sufficient PS. :( > > > The next thing I would do is to take out every card and > > hard drive, and see if the thing beeps. If it does, > > add the video card back in (make sure no onboard devices > > conflict!), then the first hard drive, and so-on. If you > > have no joy, then I say it's power supply, CPU, mother board, > > in that order. You will simply have to swap them out to find out. > > That looks like the order of the day. Alas, I probably won't get to it > until later this weekend. > > > Also, are you sure that your power supply can handle your > > setup? Removing the drives might help find out. If you > > are drawing too many amps from the power supply, I would > > expect the sort of behaviour that you are experiencing. > > It seems like 500W is par for the course these days. > > The Sonata II comes with a 450W PS, it should be good enough for this > system. > > > Also, don't tell me that you turned the power on EVEN FOR A SECOND > > without a greased and powered cpu cooler attached. > > No fear, the CPU is covered by a massive Zalman fan. Power hasn't > remained on for more than a second anyway. > > I'll take out drives etc., will see what happens next. > > Best, > > dp Just a thought, and I've no idea if this would cause these sort of problems. Was the CMOS battery preinstalled on the mobo? Sometimes preinstalled batteries have a piece of insulation to separate them from being in circuit, and discharging while sat on the shelf, perhaps for months. Nigel. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Jul 28 18:00:29 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 28 17:45:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> <44CA7371.4080102@tobiah.org> Message-ID: <44CA88FD.8030603@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Okay, I've removed all drives, leaving connected only the video, keyboard, and mouse. No joy, same problem. Looks like it's time to haul it to the repair guys. :( Btw, AFAICT the Antec has no speaker. I'll check that CMOS battery too. Who knows... Anyway, to reiterate: Nothing happens when I push the power-on button on the front. When I switch the power switch in the back of the machine, that's when I see the quick flash and can see the CPU fan make a revolution or two before everything stops again. One of the front-panel LEDs flashes once too, then it's out. The MSI mobo comes with a little USB/LED bracket that flashes a series of light combinations to indicate what's going on with the board. I installed and connected the bracket. When I flip the rear power switch to the "|" position all four LEDs flash once, then nothing. The power supply fan never starts up, and the CPU fan spins a few times before giving up. The manual notes that if all four lights stay on then the CPU is damaged, so hopefully I'm narrowing it down to the PS. Which is still a bummer, but at least it's an affordable part. Best, dp From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jul 28 17:49:56 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jul 28 17:49:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <44CA88FD.8030603@woh.rr.com> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> <44CA7371.4080102@tobiah.org> <44CA88FD.8030603@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1154123396.2927.194.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 18:00 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Anyway, to reiterate: Nothing happens when I push the power-on > button on the front. When I switch the power switch in the back of the > machine, that's when I see the quick flash and can see the CPU fan > make a revolution or two before everything stops again. One of the > front-panel LEDs flashes once too, then it's out. Sounds like power supply. I had similar symptoms with a new system - no beeps, no video at all, but the fan and LEDs came on. When the cheap no-name Chinese power supply was replaced with an Antec it worked. Lee From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Fri Jul 28 17:52:53 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Fri Jul 28 17:53:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] version BruteFIR package in PlanetCCRMA? In-Reply-To: <44CA4FFC.8090701@gmail.com> References: <44CA4FFC.8090701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1154123573.5796.55.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 19:57 +0200, Marije Baalman wrote: > can anyone tell me which version of BruteFIR is packaged in PlanetCCRMA? > I can't tell from the website, and I'm trying to give a user on Fedora > some support to use swonder, which needs at least version 1.0c. On which version of redhat/fedora? fc4: brutefir-1.0e-1.rhfc4.ccrma.i386.rpm fc < 4 older 1.0 -- Fernando > Any pointers to other rpm-packages for brutefir which he could install > are also welcome... From gidi at pandora.be Fri Jul 28 17:54:07 2006 From: gidi at pandora.be (Gerd Dehu) Date: Fri Jul 28 17:54:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44CA877F.3070805@pandora.be> Dave Phillips schreef: > Greetings: > > Well, the hardware has been assembled, but I have a show-stopper of a > problem. When I try to start the machine I get a flash from the cool > blue lights on my Antec case, the CPU fan does a little jig, then > nothing. :( Just resetting the BIOS (removing a jumper, or e.v. the battery for just a few seconds - look at the MB's manual) might (hopely) be a solution. In a similar situation did this once save my day. Good Luck! From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Jul 28 17:54:09 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Jul 28 17:54:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060728215409.GF12427@fitz.Belkin> On Fri, 28 Jul, 2006 at 03:20PM -0400, Dave Phillips spake thus: > Greetings: > > Well, the hardware has been assembled, but I have a show-stopper of a > problem. When I try to start the machine I get a flash from the cool > blue lights on my Antec case, the CPU fan does a little jig, then > nothing. :( > > So how do I go about diagnosing this thing ? All possible connections > have been made between the case, the power supply, and the mobo. I've > scoured the manuals for those pieces, I can't see that I've missed > connecting anything. > > Here's the main machine parts: > > MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard > AMD64 CPU > Antec Sonata II case with power supply > 1 GB RAM in slot 1 > Seagate Barracuda drive > Lite-on DVD/CD RW drive No video card...? > Any and all suggestions are welcome. I'd like to get this iron running > myself, the bench fees at the local shops are outrageous. > > Best, > > dp > > > > From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Jul 28 17:56:02 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Jul 28 17:56:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <200607282117.52521.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> <200607282117.52521.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20060728215602.GG12427@fitz.Belkin> On Fri, 28 Jul, 2006 at 09:17PM +0200, Nigel Henry spake thus: > On Friday 28 July 2006 21:20, Dave Phillips wrote: > > Greetings: > > > > Well, the hardware has been assembled, but I have a show-stopper of a > > problem. When I try to start the machine I get a flash from the cool > > blue lights on my Antec case, the CPU fan does a little jig, then > > nothing. :( > > > > So how do I go about diagnosing this thing ? All possible connections > > have been made between the case, the power supply, and the mobo. I've > > scoured the manuals for those pieces, I can't see that I've missed > > connecting anything. > > > > Here's the main machine parts: > > > > MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard > > AMD64 CPU > > Antec Sonata II case with power supply > > 1 GB RAM in slot 1 > > Seagate Barracuda drive > > Lite-on DVD/CD RW drive > > > > Any and all suggestions are welcome. I'd like to get this iron running > > myself, the bench fees at the local shops are outrageous. > > > > Best, > > > > dp > > Hi Dave. I'll start the show off. Harddrive on the first IDE contoller, and > set to master? DVD/CD RW drive on the second IDE controller, and set to > master? > > I hope you used a well grounded wrist strap when putting it all together. That's for newbies and old ladies. I only ever build computers in thunderstorms, while wearing nylon. My case is made of amber, and I keep a cat in it. James > Nigel. > From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Fri Jul 28 17:58:38 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Fri Jul 28 17:58:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1154123918.5796.59.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 15:20 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > Well, the hardware has been assembled, but I have a show-stopper of a > problem. When I try to start the machine I get a flash from the cool > blue lights on my Antec case, the CPU fan does a little jig, then > nothing. :( Check that you have connected the processor fan and that it is spinning at the fastest rate you can get it to spin. Some mobos will refuse to start if they don't detect a processor fan running happily. There's usually a boot time key combination that can be used to boot - and then you can change the detection to "off" in the bios. -- Fernando > So how do I go about diagnosing this thing ? All possible connections > have been made between the case, the power supply, and the mobo. I've > scoured the manuals for those pieces, I can't see that I've missed > connecting anything. > > Here's the main machine parts: > > MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard > AMD64 CPU > Antec Sonata II case with power supply > 1 GB RAM in slot 1 > Seagate Barracuda drive > Lite-on DVD/CD RW drive > > Any and all suggestions are welcome. I'd like to get this iron running > myself, the bench fees at the local shops are outrageous. > > Best, > > dp > > From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Fri Jul 28 18:03:02 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Fri Jul 28 18:01:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <44CA88FD.8030603@woh.rr.com> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> <44CA7371.4080102@tobiah.org> <44CA88FD.8030603@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44CA8996.9020008@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dave Phillips escribi?: > Greetings: > > Okay, I've removed all drives, leaving connected only the video, > keyboard, and mouse. > > No joy, same problem. Looks like it's time to haul it to the repair > guys. :( > > Btw, AFAICT the Antec has no speaker. > > I'll check that CMOS battery too. Who knows... > > Anyway, to reiterate: Nothing happens when I push the power-on > button on the front. When I switch the power switch in the back of > the machine, that's when I see the quick flash and can see the CPU > fan make a revolution or two before everything stops again. One of > the front-panel LEDs flashes once too, then it's out. This indicates that the power is being sent from the PSU to the MoBo, however something is not sitting that well... What I'd check: * Put the PSU to the O position. Unplug the power cord. * Touch any metallic surface to eliminate any electrostatic energy from your body. * Disconnect *everything* from the MoBo, including power, CPU, memory and video card. * Replug CPU, memory and video card. * Plug the power supply and the 12V for the CPU. * Turn on the PSU (set it at the | position). The CPU/case/video card fans should spin a bit. * Press the power button. If this fails: * Make sure you have plugged all the front panel connections in the RIGHT ORDER. These connections are ridiculously easy to miss and get wrong, so double and triple check those! * Also, some MoBos have the clear CMOS jumper set to "clear" by default, so no battery is being used, MAKE SURE IT IS IN THE RIGHT POSITION! It is extremely easy to blame all other components and this little fella could be the culprit. * If it still fails, recheck all of the above, and if you are 100% certain everything is as it should, start swapping parts. Of special interest here is the PSU. > > The MSI mobo comes with a little USB/LED bracket that flashes a > series of light combinations to indicate what's going on with the > board. I installed and connected the bracket. When I flip the rear > power switch to the "|" position all four LEDs flash once, then > nothing. The power supply fan never starts up, and the CPU fan > spins a few times before giving up. The manual notes that if all > four lights stay on then the CPU is damaged, so hopefully I'm > narrowing it down to the PS. Which is still a bummer, but at least > it's an affordable part. > > Best, > > dp > That is the expected behavior of them when power is being sent to the motherboard, AFAIK. Hope these advices help. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEyomVXM+XOp70dwoRAo1CAKCURARng5bG5tt9azoKn6/Wr8XMSQCfRsut dMV9MdO4zQu2Av0R0/H3lPI= =dOrM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Jul 28 18:02:15 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Jul 28 18:03:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <20060728215409.GF12427@fitz.Belkin> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> <20060728215409.GF12427@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060728220215.GH12427@fitz.Belkin> On Fri, 28 Jul, 2006 at 10:54PM +0100, James Shuttleworth spake thus: > On Fri, 28 Jul, 2006 at 03:20PM -0400, Dave Phillips spake thus: > > Greetings: > > > > Well, the hardware has been assembled, but I have a show-stopper of a > > problem. When I try to start the machine I get a flash from the cool > > blue lights on my Antec case, the CPU fan does a little jig, then > > nothing. :( > > > > So how do I go about diagnosing this thing ? All possible connections > > have been made between the case, the power supply, and the mobo. I've > > scoured the manuals for those pieces, I can't see that I've missed > > connecting anything. > > > > Here's the main machine parts: > > > > MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard > > AMD64 CPU > > Antec Sonata II case with power supply > > 1 GB RAM in slot 1 > > Seagate Barracuda drive > > Lite-on DVD/CD RW drive > > No video card...? But seriously... If you've tried all of the great suggestions from people without joy, try this: Take the mobo (and powersupply, if it's easy enough) out of the case and connect it all up on a copy of the yellow pages (or whatever colour book the telephone directory is in your part of the world). It sounds silly, but it has solved problems for me in the past. Sometimes, something touches the case that shouldn't. If this works, consider finding slightly longer standoffs. James (again) > > Any and all suggestions are welcome. I'd like to get this iron running > > myself, the bench fees at the local shops are outrageous. > > > > Best, > > > > dp > > > > > > > > > > From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Jul 28 19:13:12 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 28 18:58:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <1154123396.2927.194.camel@mindpipe> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> <44CA7371.4080102@tobiah.org> <44CA88FD.8030603@woh.rr.com> <1154123396.2927.194.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44CA9A08.5000009@woh.rr.com> Lee Revell wrote: >On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 18:00 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >> Anyway, to reiterate: Nothing happens when I push the power-on >>button on the front. When I switch the power switch in the back of the >>machine, that's when I see the quick flash and can see the CPU fan >>make a revolution or two before everything stops again. One of the >>front-panel LEDs flashes once too, then it's out. >> >> > >Sounds like power supply. I had similar symptoms with a new system - no >beeps, no video at all, but the fan and LEDs came on. When the cheap >no-name Chinese power supply was replaced with an Antec it worked. > > It's an Antec PS too, a 450W unit. I've put everything away until I can get the system to a repair shop and get it tested. Best, dp From burkhard.ritter at stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de Fri Jul 28 19:13:53 2006 From: burkhard.ritter at stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Burkhard Ritter) Date: Fri Jul 28 19:14:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine In-Reply-To: <44CA88FD.8030603@woh.rr.com> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> <44CA7371.4080102@tobiah.org> <44CA88FD.8030603@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060728231353.GE3859@muh> On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 06:00:29PM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: [...] > Anyway, to reiterate: Nothing happens when I push the power-on button > on the front. When I switch the power switch in the back of the machine, > that's when I see the quick flash and can see the CPU fan make a > revolution or two before everything stops again. One of the front-panel > LEDs flashes once too, then it's out. > [...] As somebody else already mentioned, the flash, etc on PSU-power-on is expected. It seems the power-on button just doesn't work. Did you double-check it's connected in the right way? Burkhard From gewang at CS.Princeton.EDU Sat Jul 29 01:45:08 2006 From: gewang at CS.Princeton.EDU (Ge Wang) Date: Sat Jul 29 01:45:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Introducing TAPESTREA: a new system/paradigm for sound design Message-ID: Dear linux audio users, (sorry for the cross-posting) tapestrea-0.1 (tap tap) is now released, for Mac OS X, Linux, and Windows. http://taps.cs.princeton.edu/ This is the very first release of TAPESTREA, a new paradigm and system for sound design (new research, led by Ananya Misra, with Perry Cook, Ge Wang, and others at the Princeton Sound Lab). In addition to the release, one can find documentation, papers, audio examples, and a video delineating the ideas and features of Taps at the URL above. The video is about 5 minutes in duration and explains the system clearly. TAPESTREA leverages sinusoidal analysis, wavelet-tree learning, transient analysis, and a new real-time graphical interface to perform analysis, transformation, and synthesis of sounds through a system of "sound templates". In addition, one can write scripts (in ChucK) to provide precise control over various parts of the system, and to script entire compositions combining taps with "traditional" audio synthesis techniques. We invite you to take a look, fire up the system, and let us know of any questions and suggestions. This is the first release, and we still working out some platform and build issues - please let us know if something seems fishy or just plain doesn't work/compile. There is also a taps mailing list for everyone interested in keeping up with the use and development of the system. Join us!!! Thanks!!! Best, Ananya, Perry, Ge! From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sat Jul 29 10:18:46 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sat Jul 29 08:27:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Introducing TAPESTREA: a new system/paradigm for sound design In-Reply-To: (Ge Wang's message of "Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:45:08 -0400") References: Message-ID: <87zmesqyt5.fsf@esben-stien.name> Ge Wang writes: > first release of TAPESTREA Most wicked;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From sonium at gmail.com Sat Jul 29 08:29:48 2006 From: sonium at gmail.com (Alexander Hupfer) Date: Sat Jul 29 08:29:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [FST] NI Electronic Instruments 2 crashing Message-ID: <1154176188.17986.6.camel@localhost> Hi, I installed Electronic Instruments 2 (wich is available as trail version) using wine. After starting it with fst the gui shows up. But after having asked me for the standart autosave dir it crashes. I'm using fst-1.8 and wine 0.9.17~winehq0~ubuntu6.01-1 I Here is my log: sonium@raumstation:~/Desktop/fst-1.8$ ./fst ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/Steinberg/VstPlugins/VSTPlugins/Photone\ EI2XT.dll yo... lets see... err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type (alsa type is 100000) of this midi device. Assuming FM Synth err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type (alsa type is 100000) of this midi device. Assuming FM Synth fixme:shell:BrsFolder_OnCreate flags 40 not implemented The program 'fst' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'RenderBadPicture (invalid Picture parameter)'. (Details: serial 9890 error_code 180 request_code 154 minor_code 7) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) sonium@raumstation:~/Desktop/fst-1.8$ ./fst ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/Steinberg/VstPlugins/VSTPlugins/Photone\ EI2XT.dll yo... lets see... err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type (alsa type is 100000) of this midi device. Assuming FM Synth err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type (alsa type is 100000) of this midi device. Assuming FM Synth fixme:shell:BrsFolder_OnCreate flags 40 not implemented The program 'fst' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'RenderBadPicture (invalid Picture parameter)'. (Details: serial 8623 error_code 180 request_code 154 minor_code 7) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Jul 29 10:26:42 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Jul 29 10:26:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nVidia MCP51 HDA Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607290726u13669bfdjc07816f155cfd68f@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Does anyone know what the requirements are to get the high definition audio controller in an NVidia chipset working? lspci says this: 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) Currently I'm running 2.6.17-gentoo-r4 with : alsa-tools-1.0.11 alsa-utils-1.0.11 A few emails and forum posts I found from last January suggested it works but I don't see it listed in the Alsa sound card database. Anyone know about this before I subscribe to the alsa-devel list again? Thanks, Mark From steve at hassard.net Sat Jul 29 10:40:15 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Sat Jul 29 10:40:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nVidia MCP51 HDA In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607290726u13669bfdjc07816f155cfd68f@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0607290726u13669bfdjc07816f155cfd68f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44CB734F.6020803@hassard.net> Mark Knecht wrote: > Does anyone know what the requirements are to get the high > definition audio controller in an NVidia chipset working? lspci says > this: > > 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio > (rev a2) You should just be able to use the snd-hda-intel module. Just like AC97, it's an Intel standard that everyone else has adopted. later, Steve From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Jul 29 10:46:58 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Jul 29 10:47:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nVidia MCP51 HDA In-Reply-To: <44CB734F.6020803@hassard.net> References: <5bdc1c8b0607290726u13669bfdjc07816f155cfd68f@mail.gmail.com> <44CB734F.6020803@hassard.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607290746g473c767dkd2fdda23e6f93b@mail.gmail.com> On 7/29/06, Stephen Hassard wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > Does anyone know what the requirements are to get the high > > definition audio controller in an NVidia chipset working? lspci says > > this: > > > > 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio > > (rev a2) > > You should just be able to use the snd-hda-intel module. Just like AC97, > it's an Intel standard that everyone else has adopted. > > later, > Steve > Steve, Thanks. I'll give it a try. However alsaconf did not discover it. Does that mean alsaconf needs a PCI ID update or something like that? Thanks again for the help. Cheers, Mark From rtp405 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 11:18:59 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Sat Jul 29 11:19:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Rock Star (Ardour Interview) In-Reply-To: <20060723175520.61256.qmail@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060729151859.30367.qmail@web39715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> that's excellent. i posted a couple factual corrections concerning mirror image studio. ron --- DCZX wrote: > I've updated my blog, Linux Rock Star > (http://linuxrockstar.blogspot.com) with an > interview > with Sampo Savolainen, one of the Ardour developers. > Come check it out! > > thanks > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From perodog at gmx.net Sat Jul 29 12:42:51 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Sat Jul 29 12:42:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack-rack with lash Message-ID: <44CB900B.7010507@gmx.net> hi to the list, i just compiled jack-rack 1.4.5rc1 which is lash capable: JACK Rack configured ALSA support: yes XML support: yes LRDF support: yes LADCCA support: no LASH support: yes GNOME 2 support: no anyway, after jack-rack startup, lashd does not recognize jack-rack. even the mouse was twice time frozen, that issue normally i dont have. so, does anybody else has compiled jack-rack with lash support, having simular strange issues after that? and generally, how do i run jack-rack now, so that qlashctl will recognize it? cheers, doc From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Jul 29 13:20:07 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat Jul 29 13:20:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nVidia MCP51 HDA In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607290746g473c767dkd2fdda23e6f93b@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0607290726u13669bfdjc07816f155cfd68f@mail.gmail.com> <44CB734F.6020803@hassard.net> <5bdc1c8b0607290746g473c767dkd2fdda23e6f93b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607291020s3f81a9d9y106e03e1ee245b61@mail.gmail.com> On 7/29/06, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 7/29/06, Stephen Hassard wrote: > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > Does anyone know what the requirements are to get the high > > > definition audio controller in an NVidia chipset working? lspci says > > > this: > > > > > > 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio > > > (rev a2) > > > > You should just be able to use the snd-hda-intel module. Just like AC97, > > it's an Intel standard that everyone else has adopted. > > > > later, > > Steve > > > > Steve, > Thanks. I'll give it a try. However alsaconf did not discover it. > Does that mean alsaconf needs a PCI ID update or something like that? > > Thanks again for the help. > > Cheers, > Mark > Steve, OK, so it turns out that alsaconf doesn't find cards until the driver is built for the card. Since I didn't know the NVidia device used the Intel driver then alsaconf couldn't configure for it until I rebuilt the kernel and included that device as a module. The Intel driver installs and alsamixer now comes up fine. The machine is not near speakers so I cannot test sound yet, but I'm curious about the controls I see in alsamixer. Comparing with other on-board sound chips I do not see a Master volume control and I do not see a PCM control. The only control that looks interesting is 'Front'. Is that the master volume for this type of sound chip? Again, thanks for the help. Seems it will likely work when I get the build finished up and get it moved. Still have ndiswrapper & wireless config to go. Cheers, Mark From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com Sat Jul 29 15:00:03 2006 From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Sat Jul 29 14:59:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Histogram In-Reply-To: <44CA3C09.9020800@gmx.net> References: <44C9E7E4.4000408@herhoffer.net> <44CA3905.70000@woh.rr.com> <44CA3C09.9020800@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200607292000.04118.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> On Friday 28 Jul 2006 17:32, Dragan Noveski wrote: > hi, > how to start sonic with jack? > jacklaunch does not work. Sonic Visualiser includes JACK support and uses it by default, falling back to PortAudio (v18) if that fails. If you're using the static binary downloaded from SourceForge, then it has JACK statically linked and your problem is probably a JACK version mismatch. In this case, you either need to build your own Sonic Visualiser binary, or find a distribution package. (For future builds I'll be experimenting with better ways to handle this.) Chris From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Jul 29 17:38:59 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Jul 29 17:36:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fragile! Message-ID: <20060729223859.4e3ca8a0@localhost> Is it just me... something about Demudi or? Gnome seems to be incredibly fragile. Almost any configuration change is liable to make it roll over and wave it's legs in the air :( Also... After an epic battle I managed to get Demudi dual booting with Mandrake. Is there a simple way to get Demudi 1.3 on board without upsetting LILO? -- Will J G From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Jul 29 19:00:24 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Jul 29 18:45:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problem with new machine: update In-Reply-To: <44CA9A08.5000009@woh.rr.com> References: <44CA6379.9070609@woh.rr.com> <44CA7371.4080102@tobiah.org> <44CA88FD.8030603@woh.rr.com> <1154123396.2927.194.camel@mindpipe> <44CA9A08.5000009@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44CBE888.8090807@woh.rr.com> Greetings: My brother brought his meter, checked out the PSU. It's dead as dead, which is actually good news. I'll get a new one, try again. Thanks again to everyone helping out. :) Best, dp From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Jul 30 04:52:31 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Jul 30 04:50:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Icons Message-ID: <20060730095231.73decd05@localhost> Does anyone know of a decent looking matched set of icons for mp3, ogg, wav, MIDI etc? -- Will J G From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sun Jul 30 05:05:44 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sun Jul 30 05:05:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Icons In-Reply-To: <20060730095231.73decd05@localhost> References: <20060730095231.73decd05@localhost> Message-ID: <20060730090544.GI12427@fitz.Belkin> On Sun, 30 Jul, 2006 at 09:52AM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > Does anyone know of a decent looking matched set of icons for mp3, ogg, > wav, MIDI etc? Something might take your fancy here: http://www.maxpower.ca/free-icons/2006/03/05/ From ce at christeck.de Sun Jul 30 10:00:56 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun Jul 30 10:02:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fwd: [linux-audio-dev] More pictures from LAC2006 Message-ID: <200607301600.56382.ce@christeck.de> Hi all, on behalf of Asbj?rn S?b?: ---------- ---------- Subject: [linux-audio-dev] More pictures from LAC2006 Date: Dienstag, 11. Juli 2006 13:54 From: Asbj?rn S?b? To: linux-audio-dev@music.columbia.edu A bit late, but maybe still of interest. A number of pictures from LAC2006 may be downloaded from . (The file is around 9MB.) * netjack workshop * Linux sound night * various With thanks for and interesting conference and nice company there! Asbj?rn S?b? From perodog at gmx.net Sun Jul 30 10:18:11 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Sun Jul 30 10:17:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Histogram In-Reply-To: <200607292000.04118.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> References: <44C9E7E4.4000408@herhoffer.net> <44CA3905.70000@woh.rr.com> <44CA3C09.9020800@gmx.net> <200607292000.04118.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> Message-ID: <44CCBFA3.6090604@gmx.net> hi and thank you very much for the response. i found now source.bz2 at freshmeat.org, but i am not able to build this. first i edited sonic-visualiser.pro file, commenting out the two lines about portaudio stuff, but qmake does not recognize anything else: nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/sonic/sonic-visualiser$ qmake sonic-visualiser.pro:86: Unknown test function: for Project MESSAGE: WARNING: PortAudio audio playback support will not be included Project MESSAGE: WARNING: JACK audio playback support will not be included Project MESSAGE: WARNING: No audio playback support is configured! Project MESSAGE: WARNING: .ogg file import will not be included Project MESSAGE: WARNING: .mp3 file import will not be included Project ERROR: FFTW3 library required nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/sonic/sonic-visualiser$ on the machine there is all the jack/ogg/fftw/ stuff installed. cheers, doc Chris Cannam wrote: > On Friday 28 Jul 2006 17:32, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >> hi, >> how to start sonic with jack? >> jacklaunch does not work. >> > > Sonic Visualiser includes JACK support and uses it by default, falling > back to PortAudio (v18) if that fails. > > If you're using the static binary downloaded from SourceForge, then it > has JACK statically linked and your problem is probably a JACK version > mismatch. In this case, you either need to build your own Sonic > Visualiser binary, or find a distribution package. (For future builds > I'll be experimenting with better ways to handle this.) > > > Chris > > > From j.zutt at tudelft.nl Sun Jul 30 13:07:21 2006 From: j.zutt at tudelft.nl (Jonne Zutt) Date: Sun Jul 30 13:07:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound on Acer 1640Z (1642ZWLMi) notebook Message-ID: <44CCE749.90405@tudelft.nl> Hi all, Recently, I've bought an Acer Aspire 1640Z (configuration 1642ZWLMi) notebook and I am not able to get sound working. I posted my configuration here: http://dutiih.st.ewi.tudelft.nl/~jonne/wiki/home/index.php?n=Main.AcerAspire1642ZWLMi I would be glad to hear if anybody got it working (with alsa or something else) on Linux. Thanks, JeeBee. From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Jul 30 13:49:00 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Jul 30 13:46:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Icons In-Reply-To: <20060730090544.GI12427@fitz.Belkin> References: <20060730095231.73decd05@localhost> <20060730090544.GI12427@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060730184900.2a811c0e@localhost> On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 10:05:44 +0100 james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jul, 2006 at 09:52AM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > > Does anyone know of a decent looking matched set of icons for mp3, ogg, > > wav, MIDI etc? > > Something might take your fancy here: http://www.maxpower.ca/free-icons/2006/03/05/ Thanks. I'll take a look in a spare moment. Spare? -- Will J G From sstubbs at shout.net Sun Jul 30 15:25:11 2006 From: sstubbs at shout.net (The Other) Date: Sun Jul 30 15:26:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fragile! In-Reply-To: <20060729223859.4e3ca8a0@localhost> References: <20060729223859.4e3ca8a0@localhost> Message-ID: <200607301425.11629.sstubbs@shout.net> On Saturday 29 July 2006 4:38 pm, Folderol wrote: > Is it just me... something about Demudi or? > > Gnome seems to be incredibly fragile. Almost any configuration > change is liable to make it roll over and wave it's legs in the air > :( > > Also... > > After an epic battle I managed to get Demudi dual booting with > Mandrake. Is there a simple way to get Demudi 1.3 on board without > upsetting LILO? I've found GRUB to be much easier to work with than LILO. Have you considered moving to GRUB when you install Demudi 1.3? Advantage 1: You don't have to update GRUB whenever you update the libraries (or something like that, I've forgotten now exactly what you had to do to LILO to get it to recognize new libraries.) Advantage 2: GRUB is very good at recognizing various installations of Linux and even Windows. I have Windows NT on the Master Boot Record of an IDE hard drive, and Linux (SuSE and Debian) on the Master Boot Record of a SCSI drive. GRUB allows me to boot from either hard drive. In the hardware BIOS I select booting from the SCSI drive (since that's what I use most of the time.) I could reset the hardware BIOS to boot from the IDE drive to get into Windows NT when I want Windows NT, but it's much more convenient to always boot into the SCSI drive and then let GRUB remap the drives to run Windows NT. Here's what the GRUB entry for Windows NT partition looks like: title Windows NT map (hd0) (hd1) map (hd1) (hd0) chainloader (hd1,0)+1 Regards, Stephen. From franciscoecheverria at vtr.net Sun Jul 30 15:42:34 2006 From: franciscoecheverria at vtr.net (francisco echeverria) Date: Sun Jul 30 15:42:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] capture line in (stereo) thru jack Message-ID: <44CD0BAA.8010705@vtr.net> hi list: i'm having some questions: I have a sbpci128 working under ubuntu dapper with no probs until i tried to record via jackit a stereo signal from an external mixer connected to line in at my soundcard, at this point i can see that capture port 2 at jack's control connection window is not sending any signal, i am able to record only a mono signal (L). strangely, when i set the ubuntu mixer to listen line-in directly, i can hear both channels, but when i setup to capture with jack i can only hear/record left one. /proc/asound/pcm: 00-00: ES1371/1 : ES1371 DAC2/ADC : playback 1 : capture 1 00-01: ES1371/2 : ES1371 DAC1 : playback 1 Qjackctl messages window: 15:38:33.869 /usr/bin/jackd -R -p256 -dalsa -r48000 -p128 -n4 -D -Chw:0 -Phw:0 -S -i2 -o2 15:38:33.890 JACK was started with PID=5969 (0x1751). jackd 0.100.0 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. apparent rate = 48000 creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|128|4|48000|2|2|nomon|swmeter|-|16bit control device hw:0 configuring for 48000Hz, period = 128 frames, buffer = 4 periods nperiods = 4 for capture nperiods = 4 for playback So, my question is: Is there something that i can do or it is due to a hardware limitation/failure?? From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Jul 30 18:06:48 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Jul 30 18:04:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] and another thing... Message-ID: <20060730230648.45cad423@localhost> When I compile Zyn... form source one annoying feature is the menus that disappear as soon as you lift your finger off the mouse. I had thought that this must just be a feature of the fltk toolkit used. However, the version of Zyn on the Musix 0.50 disk has 'proper' menus that stay up till you click on something. Anyone know how this has been achieved? Is it just a simple patch I can add to the source files? (he said hopefully) -- Will J G From a.gatt at btinternet.com Mon Jul 31 02:56:09 2006 From: a.gatt at btinternet.com (andrew gatt) Date: Mon Jul 31 02:50:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to get SPDIF working with ALSA and M-Audio2496 References: <008501c6b256$f63e2fc0$0400000a@knuckles2> Message-ID: <002101c6b46e$670dd5c0$0400000a@knuckles2> > Hello all, > > I've been trying to get the spdif output of my m-audio 2496 card for a while > now. I've played with .asoundrc files given on the alsa website and used the > envy24 control but i still get nothing. Does anyone have a simple to follow > step by step guide on getting the spdif to work? > > Any help would be really appreciated! > > Andrew > OK then, does anyone have the spdif output of the card working? Is it even possible. I'm sure i've read posts on forums where people have mentioned it working. If anyone does maybe they could send me their alsa config files? It seems such ashame to not have use of this port. Thanks again Andrew From clemens at ladisch.de Mon Jul 31 03:23:30 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon Jul 31 03:23:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nVidia MCP51 HDA In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607291020s3f81a9d9y106e03e1ee245b61@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0607290726u13669bfdjc07816f155cfd68f@mail.gmail.com> <44CB734F.6020803@hassard.net> <5bdc1c8b0607290746g473c767dkd2fdda23e6f93b@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607291020s3f81a9d9y106e03e1ee245b61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060731072330.GA17817@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Mark Knecht wrote: > I'm curious about the controls I see in alsamixer. Comparing with > other on-board sound chips I do not see a Master volume control and I > do not see a PCM control. What codec do you have? (see /proc/asound/cards)? The HDA driver is continually updated. If your board isn't yet known, it's possible that you have to add the 'model' option to the driver, and/or to update the driver. HTH Clemens From tuimonen at cc.hut.fi Mon Jul 31 05:45:07 2006 From: tuimonen at cc.hut.fi (Tommi Sakari Uimonen) Date: Mon Jul 31 05:47:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: S/PDIF capture with m-audio 2496 In-Reply-To: References: <20060713110210.57947223C7AE@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: >> Rob Jackson wrote: >>> Could anyone please give me a step-by-step guide to setting up my >>> m-audio 2496 to capture from the S/PDIF? I am trying to record into >>> either Audacity or Ardour, but cannot 'find' any sound. > > As far as I can see, there are no routing possibilities for input S/PDIF > on an m-audio 2496 using the envy24control. For output, you can route any > channel to s/pdif in hardware using that program. > > So what you have to do, is to use channel 9 and 10 instead, which I guess is > hardwired to s/pdif in. (Maybe you could also mess around with .asoundrc, a > third option is to hack the snd-ice1712 driver) Channels 11 and 12 resemble the digital mixer, so basically you can route whatever input to the mixer and record the mixer. This way you can mix analog inputs with digital input and record the result. Channes 9 and 10 are the spdif channels yes (though asoundrc counts them as 8 and 9 since it starts numbering from zero). At least I have managed to record from spdif and from digital mixer. I don't remember if it was the default settings or modified ones and I don't have the settings anymore. Tommi From aljordan at maine.rr.com Mon Jul 31 08:31:06 2006 From: aljordan at maine.rr.com (aljordan@maine.rr.com) Date: Mon Jul 31 08:31:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to get SPDIF working with ALSA and M-Audio2496 In-Reply-To: <002101c6b46e$670dd5c0$0400000a@knuckles2> References: <008501c6b256$f63e2fc0$0400000a@knuckles2> <002101c6b46e$670dd5c0$0400000a@knuckles2> Message-ID: I have spdif out working on my Audiophile 2496 via Envy-24. Unfortunately I wont be home until this evening. At that point I'll send you my alsa config files. I am on PlanetCCMRA Fedora Core 3 and the card worked without any fiddling on my part. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: andrew gatt Date: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:50 am Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] How to get SPDIF working with ALSA and M-Audio2496 To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > > Hello all, > > > > I've been trying to get the spdif output of my m-audio 2496 card > for a > while > > now. I've played with .asoundrc files given on the alsa website > and used > the > > envy24 control but i still get nothing. Does anyone have a simple to > follow > > step by step guide on getting the spdif to work? > > > > Any help would be really appreciated! > > > > Andrew > > > > OK then, does anyone have the spdif output of the card working? Is > it even > possible. I'm sure i've read posts on forums where people have > mentioned it > working. If anyone does maybe they could send me their alsa config > files? It > seems such ashame to not have use of this port. > > Thanks again > > Andrew > From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jul 31 10:43:33 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jul 31 10:43:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nVidia MCP51 HDA In-Reply-To: <20060731072330.GA17817@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <5bdc1c8b0607290726u13669bfdjc07816f155cfd68f@mail.gmail.com> <44CB734F.6020803@hassard.net> <5bdc1c8b0607290746g473c767dkd2fdda23e6f93b@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607291020s3f81a9d9y106e03e1ee245b61@mail.gmail.com> <20060731072330.GA17817@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607310743v7a2da706pda3d73e4b247d1ba@mail.gmail.com> On 7/31/06, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > I'm curious about the controls I see in alsamixer. Comparing with > > other on-board sound chips I do not see a Master volume control and I > > do not see a PCM control. > > What codec do you have? (see /proc/asound/cards)? > > The HDA driver is continually updated. If your board isn't yet known, > it's possible that you have to add the 'model' option to the driver, > and/or to update the driver. > > > HTH > Clemens > Hi Clemens, Thanks for responding. I *think* this was my problem. It seemed that alsaconf didn't find the card until I actually built the driver. That was a bit of a Catch-22 since I didn't know what driver to build, etc. Anyway, after building the driver based on Stephen's input alsaconf found the card, it's installed and mostly working. The only app I'm having trouble with so far is MythTV which says it is controlling PCM but doesn't actually control PCM on this card. IT works fine on all my non-HDA systems. That may be a MythTV problem, or maybe it's a driver problem we could look at since it will take months to get the MythTV people to pay any attention to a problem like this! ;-) Let me know what other information would be of interest. Cheers, Mark Sector9 ~ # cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.11rc4 (Wed Mar 22 10:27:24 2006 UTC). Sector9 ~ # Sector9 ~ # cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xfe024000 irq 16 Sector9 ~ # Sector9 ~ # lspci 00:10.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 PCI Bridge (rev a2) 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) Sector9 ~ # lspci -x 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) 00: de 10 6c 02 06 00 b0 00 a2 00 03 04 00 00 80 00 10: 00 40 02 fe 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3c 10 3e 2a 30: 00 00 00 00 44 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0a 02 02 05 Sector9 ~ # eix -Ic alsa- [I] media-libs/alsa-lib (1.0.11): Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Library [I] media-libs/alsa-oss (1.0.11): Advanced Linux Sound Architecture OSS compatibility layer. [I] media-sound/alsa-headers (1.0.11): Header files for Advanced Linux Sound Architecture kernel modules [I] media-sound/alsa-tools (1.0.11): Advanced Linux Sound Architecture tools [I] media-sound/alsa-utils (1.0.11): Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Utils (alsactl, alsamixer, etc.) Found 5 matches Sector9 ~ # Sector9 ~ # uname -a Linux Sector9 2.6.17-gentoo-r4 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jul 29 09:49:32 PDT 2006 i686 AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3200+ GNU/Linux Sector9 ~ # Sector9 ~ # cat /etc/modules.d/alsa # Alsa 0.9.X kernel modules' configuration file. # $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/media-sound/alsa-utils/files/alsa-modules.conf-rc,v 1.5 2006/06/13 10:18:25 uberlord Exp $ # ALSA portion # OSS/Free portion ## ## IMPORTANT: ## You need to customise this section for your specific sound card(s) ## and then run `modules-update' command. ## Read alsa-driver's INSTALL file in /usr/share/doc for more info. ## ## ALSA portion ## alias snd-card-0 snd-interwave ## alias snd-card-1 snd-ens1371 ## OSS/Free portion ## alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 ## alias sound-slot-1 snd-card-1 ## # OSS/Free portion - card #1 ## OSS/Free portion - card #2 ## alias sound-service-1-0 snd-mixer-oss ## alias sound-service-1-3 snd-pcm-oss ## alias sound-service-1-12 snd-pcm-oss alias /dev/mixer snd-mixer-oss alias /dev/dsp snd-pcm-oss alias /dev/midi snd-seq-oss # Set this to the correct number of cards. # --- BEGIN: Generated by ALSACONF, do not edit. --- # --- ALSACONF version 1.0.11 --- alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel alias sound-slot-0 snd-hda-intel # --- END: Generated by ALSACONF, do not edit. --- Sector9 ~ # From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Mon Jul 31 11:12:53 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Mon Jul 31 11:07:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi works with xfst and AmSynth but not with Bristol & ZynaddSubFx In-Reply-To: <44C7697F.8090500@kolumbus.fi> References: <44C7697F.8090500@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <44CE1DF5.9090708@kolumbus.fi> Esa Linna kirjoitti: > This is strange. Started Jack, connected the midi keyboard via Edirol > UM-1X and everything's fine with xfst and VST instruments, as well as > AmSynth. But Bristol synths and ZynaddSubFx don't work with it..? Found out that when changing midi channel to #15, things start to work. What should I do to tell these software to use channel #1 automatically? Esa From lars.luthman at gmail.com Mon Jul 31 11:25:15 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Mon Jul 31 11:25:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi works with xfst and AmSynth but not with Bristol & ZynaddSubFx In-Reply-To: <44CE1DF5.9090708@kolumbus.fi> References: <44C7697F.8090500@kolumbus.fi> <44CE1DF5.9090708@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <1154359515.10676.0.camel@c-6274e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 18:12 +0300, Esa Linna wrote: > Esa Linna kirjoitti: > > This is strange. Started Jack, connected the midi keyboard via Edirol > > UM-1X and everything's fine with xfst and VST instruments, as well as > > AmSynth. But Bristol synths and ZynaddSubFx don't work with it..? > > Found out that when changing midi channel to #15, things start to work. > What should I do to tell these software to use channel #1 automatically? In ZynAddSubFX you can set the MIDI channel for every instrument. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060731/d8e390b0/attachment-0001.bin From davep at rockynet.com Mon Jul 31 12:48:33 2006 From: davep at rockynet.com (Dave Price) Date: Mon Jul 31 12:49:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Problem - Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Message-ID: <44CE3461.3070208@rockynet.com> Greetings, I have a dell Latitude 600 with internal Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Output is fine with Alsa applications I have listed the AMIXER output below - in practice, most of the controls do not appear to be functional. I tried recording with audacity, and at first could not get any signal - by playing with alsamixer, I could get some very low distorted sound to record. I am trying to patch into the mic input from a headphone out - I can hear the sound in the PC Speakers, but not record at any acceptable quality. Any advice on how to get something to record on this laptop would be appreciated. aloha, dave AMIXER reports: Simple mixer control 'Master',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Front Left: Playback 29 [94%] [on] Front Right: Playback 29 [94%] [on] Simple mixer control 'Master Mono',0 Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Mono: Playback 0 [0%] [off] Simple mixer control 'Bass',0 Capabilities: volume volume-joined Playback channels: Mono Limits: 0 - 15 Mono: 0 [0%] Simple mixer control 'Treble',0 Capabilities: volume volume-joined Playback channels: Mono Limits: 0 - 15 Mono: 0 [0%] Simple mixer control '3D Control - Center',0 Capabilities: volume volume-joined Playback channels: Mono Limits: 0 - 15 Mono: 15 [100%] Simple mixer control '3D Control - Depth',0 Capabilities: volume volume-joined Playback channels: Mono Limits: 0 - 15 Mono: 12 [80%] Simple mixer control '3D Control - Switch',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [off] Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Front Left: Playback 30 [97%] [on] Front Right: Playback 30 [97%] [on] Simple mixer control 'PCM Out Path & Mute',0 Capabilities: Mono: Simple mixer control 'Line',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined cswitch-exclusive Capture exclusive group: 0 Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Front Left: Playback 23 [74%] [on] Capture [off] Front Right: Playback 23 [74%] [on] Capture [off] Simple mixer control 'CD',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined cswitch-exclusive Capture exclusive group: 0 Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Front Left: Playback 28 [90%] [on] Capture [off] Front Right: Playback 28 [90%] [on] Capture [off] Simple mixer control 'Mic',0 Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined cvolume pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined cswitch-exclusive Capture exclusive group: 0 Playback channels: Mono Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Capture 0 - 15 Mono: Playback 23 [74%] [off] Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [off] Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [off] Simple mixer control 'Mic Boost (+20dB)',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [on] Simple mixer control 'Mic Select',0 Capabilities: Mono: Simple mixer control 'Video',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined cswitch-exclusive Capture exclusive group: 0 Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [off] Capture [off] Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [off] Capture [off] Simple mixer control 'Phone',0 Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined cswitch-exclusive Capture exclusive group: 0 Playback channels: Mono Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Mono: Playback 0 [0%] [off] Front Left: Capture [off] Front Right: Capture [off] Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [off] Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA',0 Capabilities: volume volume-joined Playback channels: Mono Limits: 0 - 3 Mono: 2 [67%] Simple mixer control 'PC Speaker',0 Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Limits: Playback 0 - 15 Mono: Playback 11 [73%] [on] Simple mixer control 'Aux',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined cswitch-exclusive Capture exclusive group: 0 Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [off] Capture [off] Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [off] Capture [off] Simple mixer control 'Mono Output Select',0 Capabilities: Mono: Simple mixer control 'Capture',0 Capabilities: cvolume cswitch cswitch-joined Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Capture 0 - 15 Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [off] Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [off] Simple mixer control 'Mix',0 Capabilities: cswitch cswitch-joined cswitch-exclusive Capture exclusive group: 0 Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Front Left: Capture [off] Front Right: Capture [off] Simple mixer control 'Mix Mono',0 Capabilities: cswitch cswitch-joined cswitch-exclusive Capture exclusive group: 0 Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Front Left: Capture [on] Front Right: Capture [on] Simple mixer control 'External Amplifier',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [on] Simple mixer control 'Loudness (bass boost)',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [off] Simple mixer control 'Simulated Stereo Enhancement',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [off] ..................... From jri at broadpark.no Mon Jul 31 15:58:17 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Mon Jul 31 15:58:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" Message-ID: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> New tune made with GNU/Linux ready for download: http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org/index_en.html#kanskjeno I used lots of stuff on this one, AMS, Seq24, Ardour, Hydrogen and lots of LADSPA plugins. Comments are welcome... -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org From james at dis-dot-dat.net Mon Jul 31 19:19:47 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Mon Jul 31 19:19:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Ringheims Auto - "Kanskje No" In-Reply-To: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> References: <44CE60D9.8000306@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <20060731231947.GO12427@fitz.Belkin> On Mon, 31 Jul, 2006 at 09:58PM +0200, Johannes Mario Ringheim spake thus: > New tune made with GNU/Linux ready for download: > http://ringheimsauto.friwebteknologi.org/index_en.html#kanskjeno > > I used lots of stuff on this one, AMS, Seq24, Ardour, Hydrogen and lots > of LADSPA plugins. > > Comments are welcome... Wow! I love this, I really do. The "woo" vocal - is that actually a voice? How did you achieve the scratches? Were they put into the samples? Added to the individual tracks before final mix? For me, this is the new poster-boy for Free music and Free music software. Damn. I was just about to settle for a few hours of making noises, but now I don't want to because it won't sound as good as this. James From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jul 31 19:44:58 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jul 31 19:44:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nVidia MCP51 HDA In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607310743v7a2da706pda3d73e4b247d1ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0607290726u13669bfdjc07816f155cfd68f@mail.gmail.com> <44CB734F.6020803@hassard.net> <5bdc1c8b0607290746g473c767dkd2fdda23e6f93b@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607291020s3f81a9d9y106e03e1ee245b61@mail.gmail.com> <20060731072330.GA17817@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <5bdc1c8b0607310743v7a2da706pda3d73e4b247d1ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1154389498.2927.345.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 07:43 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > Thanks for responding. I *think* this was my problem. It seemed > that alsaconf didn't find the card until I actually built the driver. Why are you even using alsaconf for a PCI device? It's only needed for old ISA stuff. hotplug/udev/whatever should automagically load the right driver for a PCI card on boot. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jul 31 19:46:03 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jul 31 19:45:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nVidia MCP51 HDA In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607310743v7a2da706pda3d73e4b247d1ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0607290726u13669bfdjc07816f155cfd68f@mail.gmail.com> <44CB734F.6020803@hassard.net> <5bdc1c8b0607290746g473c767dkd2fdda23e6f93b@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607291020s3f81a9d9y106e03e1ee245b61@mail.gmail.com> <20060731072330.GA17817@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <5bdc1c8b0607310743v7a2da706pda3d73e4b247d1ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1154389564.2927.347.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 07:43 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > The only > app I'm having trouble with so far is MythTV which says it is > controlling PCM but doesn't actually control PCM on this card. IT > works fine on all my non-HDA systems. That may be a MythTV problem, or > maybe it's a driver problem we could look at since it will take months > to get the MythTV people to pay any attention to a problem like this! Does the PCM volume control in alsamixer work properly? If so it's a MythTV bug. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jul 31 20:08:23 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jul 31 20:08:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nVidia MCP51 HDA In-Reply-To: <1154389498.2927.345.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0607290726u13669bfdjc07816f155cfd68f@mail.gmail.com> <44CB734F.6020803@hassard.net> <5bdc1c8b0607290746g473c767dkd2fdda23e6f93b@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607291020s3f81a9d9y106e03e1ee245b61@mail.gmail.com> <20060731072330.GA17817@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <5bdc1c8b0607310743v7a2da706pda3d73e4b247d1ba@mail.gmail.com> <1154389498.2927.345.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607311708p4834e0f7o3e99c0525054d809@mail.gmail.com> On 7/31/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 07:43 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Thanks for responding. I *think* this was my problem. It seemed > > that alsaconf didn't find the card until I actually built the driver. > > Why are you even using alsaconf for a PCI device? It's only needed for > old ISA stuff. hotplug/udev/whatever should automagically load the > right driver for a PCI card on boot. > > Lee Lee, Sometimes I don't get where you are coming from with these strong statements... There was no driver to be loaded since I hadn't built any drivers when I built the kernel. As I said earlier, I didn't *know* what driver to build. It's a new machine. I didn't recognize the hardware. I didn't know what to do so I thought alsaconf would help me. There was no indication for a new user of this NVidia hardware that the NVidia HDA had anything at all to do with the Intel HDA. You might think I'm stupid. I suppose I am. Sorry. It just wasn't clear to me and I don't think it would be any clearer to most purely user types. We reside in a lower place my friend. So, as I said earlier, it was my thought that alsaconf, which does configure PCI devices quite fine thank you, would look at the PCI device ID, build a new modprobe.conf entry, and in doing that it would tell me what driver to build, albeit a bit indirectly. Unfortunately it didn't work that way *until* I built the driver. At that point alsaconf built modprobe.conf just fine. Anyway, I disagree that on a machine that has absolutely no audio drivers built that anything is going to load a driver automagically. Built I'm a stupid guitar player do what the F do I know. - Mark From florin at andrei.myip.org Mon Jul 31 20:12:10 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Mon Jul 31 20:12:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fragile! In-Reply-To: <20060729223859.4e3ca8a0@localhost> References: <20060729223859.4e3ca8a0@localhost> Message-ID: <1154391130.936.4.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 22:38 +0100, Folderol wrote: > Is it just me... something about Demudi or? > > Gnome seems to be incredibly fragile. Almost any configuration change > is liable to make it roll over and wave it's legs in the air :( Must be Demudi. I've been using Gnome with Fedora (and packages from PlanetCCRMA and Livna that pretty much cover all bases in terms of music and sound) for a long time and I've had no stability issues. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From florin at andrei.myip.org Mon Jul 31 20:19:03 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Mon Jul 31 20:19:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Introducing TAPESTREA: a new system/paradigm for sound design In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1154391543.936.6.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 01:45 -0400, Ge Wang wrote: > tapestrea-0.1 (tap tap) is now released, for > Mac OS X, Linux, and Windows. > > http://taps.cs.princeton.edu/ Very interesting. For some reason, it reminds me of Hartmann Neuron: http://www.hartmann-music.com/home/ -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jul 31 20:25:39 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jul 31 20:25:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nVidia MCP51 HDA In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607311708p4834e0f7o3e99c0525054d809@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0607290726u13669bfdjc07816f155cfd68f@mail.gmail.com> <44CB734F.6020803@hassard.net> <5bdc1c8b0607290746g473c767dkd2fdda23e6f93b@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607291020s3f81a9d9y106e03e1ee245b61@mail.gmail.com> <20060731072330.GA17817@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <5bdc1c8b0607310743v7a2da706pda3d73e4b247d1ba@mail.gmail.com> <1154389498.2927.345.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607311708p4834e0f7o3e99c0525054d809@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1154391940.2927.360.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 17:08 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 7/31/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 07:43 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > Thanks for responding. I *think* this was my problem. It seemed > > > that alsaconf didn't find the card until I actually built the driver. > > > > Why are you even using alsaconf for a PCI device? It's only needed for > > old ISA stuff. hotplug/udev/whatever should automagically load the > > right driver for a PCI card on boot. > > > > Lee > > Lee, > Sometimes I don't get where you are coming from with these strong > statements... > Sorry, I just got back into town and was going through 1000s of emails, and rattled that off too quickly. I did not mean to be rude but obviously I was. Apologies. Lee > There was no driver to be loaded since I hadn't built any drivers > when I built the kernel. As I said earlier, I didn't *know* what > driver to build. It's a new machine. I didn't recognize the hardware. > I didn't know what to do so I thought alsaconf would help me. There > was no indication for a new user of this NVidia hardware that the > NVidia HDA had anything at all to do with the Intel HDA. You might > think I'm stupid. I suppose I am. Sorry. It just wasn't clear to me > and I don't think it would be any clearer to most purely user types. > We reside in a lower place my friend. > > So, as I said earlier, it was my thought that alsaconf, which does > configure PCI devices quite fine thank you, would look at the PCI > device ID, build a new modprobe.conf entry, and in doing that it would > tell me what driver to build, albeit a bit indirectly. Unfortunately > it didn't work that way *until* I built the driver. At that point > alsaconf built modprobe.conf just fine. > > Anyway, I disagree that on a machine that has absolutely no audio > drivers built that anything is going to load a driver automagically. > Built I'm a stupid guitar player do what the F do I know. > > - Mark > From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jul 31 20:29:55 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jul 31 20:30:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nVidia MCP51 HDA In-Reply-To: <1154391940.2927.360.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0607290726u13669bfdjc07816f155cfd68f@mail.gmail.com> <44CB734F.6020803@hassard.net> <5bdc1c8b0607290746g473c767dkd2fdda23e6f93b@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607291020s3f81a9d9y106e03e1ee245b61@mail.gmail.com> <20060731072330.GA17817@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <5bdc1c8b0607310743v7a2da706pda3d73e4b247d1ba@mail.gmail.com> <1154389498.2927.345.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607311708p4834e0f7o3e99c0525054d809@mail.gmail.com> <1154391940.2927.360.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607311729h43426303uc7646b80853e4e69@mail.gmail.com> On 7/31/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 17:08 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 7/31/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 07:43 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > Thanks for responding. I *think* this was my problem. It seemed > > > > that alsaconf didn't find the card until I actually built the driver. > > > > > > Why are you even using alsaconf for a PCI device? It's only needed for > > > old ISA stuff. hotplug/udev/whatever should automagically load the > > > right driver for a PCI card on boot. > > > > > > Lee > > > > Lee, > > Sometimes I don't get where you are coming from with these strong > > statements... > > > > Sorry, I just got back into town and was going through 1000s of emails, > and rattled that off too quickly. I did not mean to be rude but > obviously I was. Apologies. > > Lee Happily accepted. Thanks. - Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jul 31 20:59:16 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jul 31 20:58:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nVidia MCP51 HDA In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607311729h43426303uc7646b80853e4e69@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0607290726u13669bfdjc07816f155cfd68f@mail.gmail.com> <44CB734F.6020803@hassard.net> <5bdc1c8b0607290746g473c767dkd2fdda23e6f93b@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607291020s3f81a9d9y106e03e1ee245b61@mail.gmail.com> <20060731072330.GA17817@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <5bdc1c8b0607310743v7a2da706pda3d73e4b247d1ba@mail.gmail.com> <1154389498.2927.345.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607311708p4834e0f7o3e99c0525054d809@mail.gmail.com> <1154391940.2927.360.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607311729h43426303uc7646b80853e4e69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1154393957.2927.364.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 17:29 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 7/31/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 17:08 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On 7/31/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 07:43 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > Thanks for responding. I *think* this was my problem. It seemed > > > > > that alsaconf didn't find the card until I actually built the driver. > > > > > > > > Why are you even using alsaconf for a PCI device? It's only needed for > > > > old ISA stuff. hotplug/udev/whatever should automagically load the > > > > right driver for a PCI card on boot. > > > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > Lee, > > > Sometimes I don't get where you are coming from with these strong > > > statements... > > > > > > > Sorry, I just got back into town and was going through 1000s of emails, > > and rattled that off too quickly. I did not mean to be rude but > > obviously I was. Apologies. > > > > Lee > > Happily accepted. Thanks. No problem. For future reference, I think you could have built and installed the driver, then restarted udev (/etc/init.d/udev restart on my system) and it would have loaded the correct driver. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jul 31 21:12:01 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jul 31 21:12:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nVidia MCP51 HDA In-Reply-To: <1154393957.2927.364.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0607290726u13669bfdjc07816f155cfd68f@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607290746g473c767dkd2fdda23e6f93b@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607291020s3f81a9d9y106e03e1ee245b61@mail.gmail.com> <20060731072330.GA17817@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <5bdc1c8b0607310743v7a2da706pda3d73e4b247d1ba@mail.gmail.com> <1154389498.2927.345.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607311708p4834e0f7o3e99c0525054d809@mail.gmail.com> <1154391940.2927.360.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607311729h43426303uc7646b80853e4e69@mail.gmail.com> <1154393957.2927.364.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0607311812w329b412amfdd0ed40a881c7c5@mail.gmail.com> On 7/31/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 17:29 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 7/31/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 17:08 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > On 7/31/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 07:43 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for responding. I *think* this was my problem. It seemed > > > > > > that alsaconf didn't find the card until I actually built the driver. > > > > > > > > > > Why are you even using alsaconf for a PCI device? It's only needed for > > > > > old ISA stuff. hotplug/udev/whatever should automagically load the > > > > > right driver for a PCI card on boot. > > > > > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > Lee, > > > > Sometimes I don't get where you are coming from with these strong > > > > statements... > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I just got back into town and was going through 1000s of emails, > > > and rattled that off too quickly. I did not mean to be rude but > > > obviously I was. Apologies. > > > > > > Lee > > > > Happily accepted. Thanks. > > No problem. > > For future reference, I think you could have built and installed the > driver, then restarted udev (/etc/init.d/udev restart on my system) and > it would have loaded the correct driver. > > Lee Lee, OK, I'll play along. I'm a new user setting up a new machine. I don't know what driver to build. How do I find out without resorting to joining lists or doing long, boring web searches. I looked at the alsa-project.org sound card lists didn't show it. It only listed the intel8x0 driver which was all I built before I started writing emails. Next, what do you mean by 'built and installed the driver'? Since nothing tells me to use the Intel HDA driver the only way I think this logic holds up is if I build every single driver offered by the kernel and hope for the best. I'm sure you're not really suggesting that path... And alsaconf worked just fine, but only once the driver was built. My original thought, which seemed innocent enough, was that alsaconf understood all the PCI IDs and then determined what driver to put in modprobe.conf from that. Apparently not. Cheers, Mark From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Mon Jul 31 23:26:24 2006 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Mon Jul 31 23:26:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to get SPDIF working with ALSA and M-Audio 2496 In-Reply-To: <008501c6b256$f63e2fc0$0400000a@knuckles2> References: <008501c6b256$f63e2fc0$0400000a@knuckles2> Message-ID: <44CEC9E0.8020108@sympatico.ca> Andrew, I have an Audiophile 24/96 and SPDIF is working for me. How are you testing it? Are you trying to output or input audio? I use it with Jack and the envy24control. It depends on what you want to do, but in my case I use the SPDIF out to output to my digital monitors and the input to receive from a M-Audio Duo that I use as an external A/D converter. Because I want to listen to everything coming out from the card through the monitors, I set the SPDIF to output the Digital Mix master. You can do this by going to the "Patchbay/Router" tab inside envy24control, and setting to "Digital Mix L" and "Digital Mix R" under the "S/PDIF Out" column for both L and R channels. You have to make sure that the PCM Out 1 and 2 is not muted and the volume set to the right level inside the "Monitor PCMs" tab (it uses a not very standard way of dealing with the channels by having two faders per channel instead of one single fader and a panning fader, so the way I have it is the right PCM Out 1 and left PCM Out 2 faders muted). If what you want is to output directly form an audio software to the SPDIF outs then in Jack you have to route to playbak_9 and playback_10 (I haven't find a way for alsa to display the real number of physical outputs). If you have any question, let me know! I hope this helps. Hector andrew gatt wrote: > Hello all, > > I've been trying to get the spdif output of my m-audio 2496 card for a while > now. I've played with .asoundrc files given on the alsa website and used the > envy24 control but i still get nothing. Does anyone have a simple to follow > step by step guide on getting the spdif to work? > > Any help would be really appreciated! > > Andrew > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jul 31 23:47:53 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jul 31 23:47:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nVidia MCP51 HDA In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0607311812w329b412amfdd0ed40a881c7c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0607290726u13669bfdjc07816f155cfd68f@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607290746g473c767dkd2fdda23e6f93b@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0607291020s3f81a9d9y106e03e1ee245b61@mail.gmail.com> <20060731072330.GA17817@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <5bdc1c8b0607310743v7a2da706pda3d73e4b247d1ba@mail.gmail.com> <1154389498.2927.345.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607311708p4834e0f7o3e99c0525054d809@mail.gmail.com> <1154391940.2927.360.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607311729h43426303uc7646b80853e4e69@mail.gmail.com> <1154393957.2927.364.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0607311812w329b412amfdd0ed40a881c7c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1154404073.14540.8.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 18:12 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > Lee, > OK, I'll play along. I'm a new user setting up a new machine. I > don't know what driver to build. How do I find out without resorting > to joining lists or doing long, boring web searches. I looked at the > alsa-project.org sound card lists didn't show it. It only listed the > intel8x0 driver which was all I built before I started writing emails. > > Next, what do you mean by 'built and installed the driver'? Since > nothing tells me to use the Intel HDA driver the only way I think this > logic holds up is if I build every single driver offered by the kernel > and hope for the best. I'm sure you're not really suggesting that > path... > > And alsaconf worked just fine, but only once the driver was built. > My original thought, which seemed innocent enough, was that alsaconf > understood all the PCI IDs and then determined what driver to put in > modprobe.conf from that. Apparently not. > You're right, it doesn't help with choosing the driver to compile. I was just referring to alsaconf which chooses the driver to load. It assumes that they are all present, as would be the case if a distro kernel was used. Lee