From brad at sonaural.com Thu Jun 1 00:31:27 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Jun 1 00:31:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 and Flash Audio In-Reply-To: <1149124774.11033.17.camel@mindpipe> References: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> <20060601005527.GC9293@slinkp.com> <447E3E63.7040005@sonaural.com> <1149124774.11033.17.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <447E6D9F.7050004@sonaural.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 18:09 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > >> So sorry, I should have added that other audio apps work: aplay, >> amarok (using xine engine) work ok. >> >> Yeah, snd_pcm_oss is there. >> > > If snd_pcm_oss is loaded but you have no /dev/dsp it has to be a udev > bug (IOW a distro issue). > > any idea how I can track this down? From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jun 1 01:20:55 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jun 1 01:21:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 and Flash Audio In-Reply-To: <447E6D9F.7050004@sonaural.com> References: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> <20060601005527.GC9293@slinkp.com> <447E3E63.7040005@sonaural.com> <1149124774.11033.17.camel@mindpipe> <447E6D9F.7050004@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1149139256.12404.5.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 21:31 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 18:09 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > > > >> So sorry, I should have added that other audio apps work: aplay, > >> amarok (using xine engine) work ok. > >> > >> Yeah, snd_pcm_oss is there. > >> > > > > If snd_pcm_oss is loaded but you have no /dev/dsp it has to be a udev > > bug (IOW a distro issue). > > > > > any idea how I can track this down? > Sorry, no. Try to reproduce it with a stock FC5 install. If it's still broken report it to them. Lee From bourdon at kabelfoon.net Thu Jun 1 01:30:27 2006 From: bourdon at kabelfoon.net (Bert Visser) Date: Thu Jun 1 01:30:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 and Flash Audio In-Reply-To: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> References: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <447E7B73.3030204@kabelfoon.net> > I've upgraded to FC5, and I'm slowly inching my way up to get audio > working (PlanetCCRMA). I have a particular problem in that Flash video > works fine, but I have no audio (occurs in Firefox, Opera and > Konqueror.) I've searched for a solution and really haven't found > anything that works. Some reports have said that a chmod to /dev/dsp of > 0666 will help. Others say that changing the permissions on the > "plugins" directory will do the trick. Nope, not for me. > > I noticed that I had no /dev/dsp. So, I kinda figured that maybe the > Flash plugin hard defaults to writing to /dev/dsp. So I made one with > ./MAKEDEV audio... and sure enough, a dsp1 was made. However, I still > have no audio when playing flash in a browser. > > Anyone come across this problem? Any ideas? > > brad > > There is a special yum repo for macromedia. Try installing flash with that as described on this page: http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_5_installation_notes.html# For me this did the trick. regards, Bert From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Jun 1 06:04:07 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Jun 1 06:04:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Three last tracks In-Reply-To: <1149079956.6217.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060530201520.GO22506@localhost> <200605311140.37636.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1149079956.6217.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200606011104.07737.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 31 May 2006 13:52, Paul Davis was like: > On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 11:40 +0100, tim hall wrote: > > It's hard to listen to a cover of this song as the original has such a > > peculiar numinous quality that has little to do with the notes played. > > This is how Tim Blake would do it I guess. I was looking forward to a bit > > more > > whoa! did somebody just say Tim Blake? Crystal Machine!! Cosmic Eggs! > VCS3's! make that ARP2600 twinkle! woohoo! !-) I have still never heard anything that comes close to those filters. I confess to being a big fan of resonant filter sweeps. You can blame Blakey for that. OK, and Basil & Tom Brooks, Gwyo, Gavin "da Blitz" and Joie Hinton too. > seriously though, "New Jerusalem" is a standout of its genre. whatever > its genre actually is :) New-age synth music, really. I regard him as one of the original synth pioneers along with Tangerine Dream and the BBC radiophonic workshop. I can report that he is miraculously still alive, he came and played at my venue last year, So I actually got to see Tim Blake play _in_ New Jerusalem, which was nice. ;) We had something like 3 VCS3's in the building and one of the original synthi100's on that day (not all his I might add). Tim's set included a cover of "Spirit of the Age" - Yves reworking of Astronomy Domine reminded me of this in approach. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From pieterp at joow.be Thu Jun 1 06:53:25 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Thu Jun 1 06:53:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] bcx2000edit: Editor for BCR2000/BCF2000 Message-ID: <447EC725.9070903@joow.be> Hi all, I had to familiarize myself with python for work, and I took it as an opportunity to hack on something I've want for some time now. I have these behringer control surfaces, and they are pretty cool, but there is no editor for them on linux. And using the device interface itself is a little cumbersome. So I figured out the sysex format (the patch dump format from "edit + >") and wrote a parser for it in python. I also have a small PyQt inteface (had to learn that too) that allows you to load files, change the values and save them as a new file. Note that this is very basic & non-bugfree software. No checking whatsoever is performed on the sysex files, so if your control surface displays "ERR" when you send a sysex file, you're probably violating the format. The GUI is also limited to changes on existing files only. I put this code online because I think it might be a nice starting point for somebody that want's to write a real editor. It shouln't be that hard (mostly GUI design), and they can use this code to further explore the sysex format. I'm not planning to work on this any further because (1) it serves my needs and (2) I need my time for other projects (most notably freebob). Anyway, you can find the code here: http://freebob.sourceforge.net/old/bcx2000edit.tar.gz Let me know if you start something with it. Greets, Pieter From klaus.kosten at gmx.de Thu Jun 1 07:21:09 2006 From: klaus.kosten at gmx.de (Klaus Kosten) Date: Thu Jun 1 07:20:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] bcx2000edit: Editor for BCR2000/BCF2000 In-Reply-To: <447EC725.9070903@joow.be> References: <447EC725.9070903@joow.be> Message-ID: <447ECDA5.8080709@gmx.de> Pieter Palmers schrieb: > Hi all, > > I had to familiarize myself with python for work, and I took it as an > opportunity to hack on something I've want for some time now. I have > these behringer control surfaces, and they are pretty cool, but there is > no editor for them on linux. And using the device interface itself is a > little cumbersome. > Didn?t you try the editor from Behringer?s homepage? It?s written in Java and runs under Linux, too. Not everything is functional, but that applies to (at least) Win98 as well. Klaus -- From pieterp at joow.be Thu Jun 1 07:27:17 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Thu Jun 1 07:27:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] bcx2000edit: Editor for BCR2000/BCF2000 In-Reply-To: <447ECDA5.8080709@gmx.de> References: <447EC725.9070903@joow.be> <447ECDA5.8080709@gmx.de> Message-ID: <447ECF15.4050000@joow.be> Klaus Kosten wrote: > Pieter Palmers schrieb: >> Hi all, >> >> I had to familiarize myself with python for work, and I took it as an >> opportunity to hack on something I've want for some time now. I have >> these behringer control surfaces, and they are pretty cool, but there >> is no editor for them on linux. And using the device interface itself >> is a little cumbersome. >> > > Didn?t you try the editor from Behringer?s homepage? It?s written in > Java and runs under Linux, too. Not everything is functional, but that > applies to (at least) Win98 as well. > I did. It didn't work for me, I couldn't even write sysex files with it. I guess it had something to do with my JRE version. Pieter From james at dis-dot-dat.net Thu Jun 1 08:36:31 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Thu Jun 1 08:36:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Indentity change? In-Reply-To: <20060531224354.6da6ae92@office> References: <20060531224354.6da6ae92@office> Message-ID: <20060601123631.GI17442@fitz.Belkin> On Wed, 31 May, 2006 at 10:43PM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > I was somewhat dismayed to find that both my e-mail handle and given > name are extremely common on the net, and I'm somewhat concerned at > the prospect of possible confusion as other musicians, DJs etc are > included. > > I have taken to using the name Will J Godfrey on all ID tags for my > music, and on my homepage title. It will probably take a while to change > all the existing files. Eventually I'll move the website too, but will > maintain a link for the foreseeable future. > > This is just to let you know so you won't think one of 'me' is being > ripped off! You could just change to "Foldy Roll", a kind of easily portable bread product. From b0ef at esben-stien.name Thu Jun 1 10:51:40 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu Jun 1 08:53:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] bcx2000edit: Editor for BCR2000/BCF2000 In-Reply-To: <447ECDA5.8080709@gmx.de> (Klaus Kosten's message of "Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:21:09 +0200") References: <447EC725.9070903@joow.be> <447ECDA5.8080709@gmx.de> Message-ID: <87r729q683.fsf@esben-stien.name> Klaus Kosten writes: > Didn?t you try the editor from Behringer?s homepage? Be adviced that this is not free software. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Thu Jun 1 10:53:44 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu Jun 1 08:55:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] bcx2000edit: Editor for BCR2000/BCF2000 In-Reply-To: <447EC725.9070903@joow.be> (Pieter Palmers's message of "Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:53:25 +0200") References: <447EC725.9070903@joow.be> Message-ID: <87mzcxq64n.fsf@esben-stien.name> Pieter Palmers writes: > I figured out the sysex format This is really excellent;). It's quite tedious programming this device using the knobs;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From klaus.kosten at gmx.de Thu Jun 1 09:24:31 2006 From: klaus.kosten at gmx.de (Klaus Kosten) Date: Thu Jun 1 09:23:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] bcx2000edit: Editor for BCR2000/BCF2000 In-Reply-To: <87r729q683.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <447EC725.9070903@joow.be> <447ECDA5.8080709@gmx.de> <87r729q683.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <447EEA8F.30103@gmx.de> Esben Stien schrieb: > Klaus Kosten writes: > > >>Didn?t you try the editor from Behringer?s homepage? > > > Be adviced that this is not free software. > I couldn?t care less. Klaus -- From jh at brainiac.com Thu Jun 1 09:44:46 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Thu Jun 1 09:44:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] bcx2000edit: Editor for BCR2000/BCF2000 In-Reply-To: <447ECDA5.8080709@gmx.de> References: <447EC725.9070903@joow.be> <447ECDA5.8080709@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20060601094446.692e3a28.jh@brainiac.com> On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:21:09 +0200 Klaus Kosten wrote: > Pieter Palmers schrieb: > > Hi all, > > > > I had to familiarize myself with python for work, and I took it as an > > opportunity to hack on something I've want for some time now. I have > > these behringer control surfaces, and they are pretty cool, but there is > > no editor for them on linux. And using the device interface itself is a > > little cumbersome. > > > > Didn?t you try the editor from Behringer?s homepage? It?s written in > Java and runs under Linux, too. Not everything is functional, but that > applies to (at least) Win98 as well. I never got the Behringer software to run acceptably well under Linux. Details of my tests are at the bottom of the page at http://ardour.org/manual/control_surfaces/bcf2000 Pieter, I haven't had a chance to look at your software yet, but many thanks for diving into it! If it writes the changes back to the BCF, you've already improved on behringer's own software. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From gkjoyce at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 09:45:39 2006 From: gkjoyce at gmail.com (greg) Date: Thu Jun 1 09:46:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nifty gizmo Message-ID: <1149169539.7503.6.camel@localhost> http://monome.org Impressive video, runs OSC. $500 (ow!). Open source on the drivers and firmware but they don't say how to build it. Anyone seen this in the wild? Supposedly they're going to be shipping by two weeks ago. gkj From lars.luthman at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 09:45:54 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Thu Jun 1 09:46:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] bcx2000edit: Editor for BCR2000/BCF2000 In-Reply-To: <447EEA8F.30103@gmx.de> References: <447EC725.9070903@joow.be> <447ECDA5.8080709@gmx.de> <87r729q683.fsf@esben-stien.name> <447EEA8F.30103@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1149169554.8847.3.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 15:24 +0200, Klaus Kosten wrote: > Esben Stien schrieb: > > Klaus Kosten writes: > >>Didn?t you try the editor from Behringer?s homepage? > > > > Be adviced that this is not free software. > > I couldn?t care less. If it was free you could fix those bugs that make things not functional. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060601/c51a5c24/attachment.bin From pieterp at joow.be Thu Jun 1 10:00:26 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Thu Jun 1 10:00:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] bcx2000edit: Editor for BCR2000/BCF2000 In-Reply-To: <20060601094446.692e3a28.jh@brainiac.com> References: <447EC725.9070903@joow.be> <447ECDA5.8080709@gmx.de> <20060601094446.692e3a28.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <447EF2FA.9000403@joow.be> Joe Hartley wrote: > On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:21:09 +0200 > Klaus Kosten wrote: > >> Pieter Palmers schrieb: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I had to familiarize myself with python for work, and I took it as an >>> opportunity to hack on something I've want for some time now. I have >>> these behringer control surfaces, and they are pretty cool, but there is >>> no editor for them on linux. And using the device interface itself is a >>> little cumbersome. >>> >> Didn?t you try the editor from Behringer?s homepage? It?s written in >> Java and runs under Linux, too. Not everything is functional, but that >> applies to (at least) Win98 as well. > > I never got the Behringer software to run acceptably well under Linux. > Details of my tests are at the bottom of the page at > http://ardour.org/manual/control_surfaces/bcf2000 > > Pieter, I haven't had a chance to look at your software yet, but many > thanks for diving into it! If it writes the changes back to the BCF, you've > already improved on behringer's own software. > You can write a sysex file that can be written to the device. Again I have to note though that this is just an example implementation of the sysex format that contains no checking. It would be nice if someone figured out the configuration format details, implemented valididy checking, wrote a nice GUI, and implemented direct read from/write to device functionality. But as I already mentioned, that someone isn't going to be me ;) Greets, Pieter From jh at brainiac.com Thu Jun 1 10:14:25 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Thu Jun 1 10:14:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] bcx2000edit: Editor for BCR2000/BCF2000 In-Reply-To: <447EF2FA.9000403@joow.be> References: <447EC725.9070903@joow.be> <447ECDA5.8080709@gmx.de> <20060601094446.692e3a28.jh@brainiac.com> <447EF2FA.9000403@joow.be> Message-ID: <20060601101425.3125d472.jh@brainiac.com> On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:00:26 +0200 Pieter Palmers wrote: > > Pieter, I haven't had a chance to look at your software yet, but many > > thanks for diving into it! If it writes the changes back to the BCF, you've > > already improved on behringer's own software. > > > You can write a sysex file that can be written to the device. Oops, I misunderstood, but I'm definitely familiar with using amidi to write sysex files to the BCF. I'm still willing to bet it's an improvement on BCedit! -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From brad at sonaural.com Thu Jun 1 10:27:15 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Jun 1 10:27:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 and Flash Audio In-Reply-To: <447E7B73.3030204@kabelfoon.net> References: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> <447E7B73.3030204@kabelfoon.net> Message-ID: <447EF943.3030905@sonaural.com> Bert Visser wrote: > >> I've upgraded to FC5, and I'm slowly inching my way up to get audio >> working (PlanetCCRMA). I have a particular problem in that Flash video >> works fine, but I have no audio (occurs in Firefox, Opera and >> Konqueror.) I've searched for a solution and really haven't found >> anything that works. Some reports have said that a chmod to /dev/dsp of >> 0666 will help. Others say that changing the permissions on the >> "plugins" directory will do the trick. Nope, not for me. >> >> I noticed that I had no /dev/dsp. So, I kinda figured that maybe the >> Flash plugin hard defaults to writing to /dev/dsp. So I made one with >> ./MAKEDEV audio... and sure enough, a dsp1 was made. However, I still >> have no audio when playing flash in a browser. >> >> Anyone come across this problem? Any ideas? >> >> brad >> >> > There is a special yum repo for macromedia. Try installing flash with > that as described on this page: > > http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_5_installation_notes.html# > > For me this did the trick. Thanks. Funny, I saw that after I sent the msg. But, it still doesn't work for me. bummer.... From illth at gmx.de Thu Jun 1 10:49:05 2006 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Thu Jun 1 10:49:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 and Flash Audio In-Reply-To: <447EF943.3030905@sonaural.com> References: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> <447E7B73.3030204@kabelfoon.net> <447EF943.3030905@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <447EFE61.6070301@gmx.de> Brad Fuller wrote: > Bert Visser wrote: > >>> I've upgraded to FC5, and I'm slowly inching my way up to get audio >>> working (PlanetCCRMA). I have a particular problem in that Flash video >>> works fine, but I have no audio (occurs in Firefox, Opera and >>> Konqueror.) I've searched for a solution and really haven't found >>> anything that works. Some reports have said that a chmod to /dev/dsp of >>> 0666 will help. Others say that changing the permissions on the >>> "plugins" directory will do the trick. Nope, not for me. >>> >>> I noticed that I had no /dev/dsp. So, I kinda figured that maybe the >>> Flash plugin hard defaults to writing to /dev/dsp. So I made one with >>> ./MAKEDEV audio... and sure enough, a dsp1 was made. However, I still >>> have no audio when playing flash in a browser. >>> /dev/dsp* are oss audio devices. oss drivers are marked as depreciated in the kernel, and are replaced with alsa drivers. thus i am sure, FC5 will use ALSA instead of oss. there are oss compatibility modules for alsa, they are named: snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_seq_oss do 'lsmod | grep oss' and see if these modules are loaded. if yes, there is something foobared with your udev setup - if no (thats what i expect) load these modules: modprobe snd_pcm_oss modprobe snd_mixer_oss modprobe snd_seq_oss note, for sound playback (flash), only the first module is required. once you load the snd_pcm_oss module, udev should create /dev/dsp* as required automatically. if sound playback still doesn't work, this might be because your soundcard has no built in mixing capabilities, and some other application is using your audio device. 'other application' might include arts, which is started together with KDE check with 'ps aux | grep artsd' and kill with 'killall artsd'. the later command will disable sound in all kde apps. if you are running KDE (and arts), you might also try running firefox as 'artsdsp firefox' from the konsole. this doesn't need the aforementioned kernel modules. >>> Anyone come across this problem? Any ideas? >>> >>> brad >>> >>> >>> >> There is a special yum repo for macromedia. Try installing flash with >> that as described on this page: >> >> http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_5_installation_notes.html# >> >> For me this did the trick. >> > Thanks. Funny, I saw that after I sent the msg. But, it still doesn't > work for me. > bummer.... > > > From michael.wgnr at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 10:53:27 2006 From: michael.wgnr at gmail.com (Michael Wagner) Date: Thu Jun 1 10:53:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Nord Modular Editor in Wine Message-ID: <79f0682c0606010753j5ca95a02re23c2a8735352800@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, I have searched the archives to find out, if it is possible to run the Nord Modular Editor from within wine and transfer patches from / to the Nord MicroModular. Unfortunately I haven't found any useful information. The editor itself seems to be working. The MIDI-Interface in Setup -> MIDI shows up as well, when I click one of the enable checkboxes (well, there are no port numbers showing up (every (physical) port has the same name), so i cannot assure that I chose the right ports; I have a MOTU MIDIexpress XT, by the way), but as soon as I click "Apply", the wine process goes into uninterruptible sleep state. Is it actually possible to connect the NM1 / MicroModular with the editor in wine? Has anyone managed this? Thank you very much in advance. -Michael From b0ef at esben-stien.name Thu Jun 1 12:55:11 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu Jun 1 10:56:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nifty gizmo In-Reply-To: <1149169539.7503.6.camel@localhost> (greg's message of "Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:45:39 -0400") References: <1149169539.7503.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <87ejy8rf2o.fsf@esben-stien.name> greg writes: > http://monome.org ;), I need. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From nescivi at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 11:00:58 2006 From: nescivi at gmail.com (Marije Baalman) Date: Thu Jun 1 11:01:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Nord Modular Editor in Wine In-Reply-To: <79f0682c0606010753j5ca95a02re23c2a8735352800@mail.gmail.com> References: <79f0682c0606010753j5ca95a02re23c2a8735352800@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <447F012A.1040403@gmail.com> Hi, I've never tried this, but you might want to look at: http://nmedit.sourceforge.net/ sincerely, Marije Michael Wagner wrote: > Hello there, > > I have searched the archives to find out, if it is possible to run the > Nord Modular Editor from within wine and transfer patches from / to > the Nord MicroModular. Unfortunately I haven't found any useful > information. > > The editor itself seems to be working. The MIDI-Interface in Setup -> > MIDI shows up as well, when I click one of the enable checkboxes > (well, there are no port numbers showing up (every (physical) port has > the same name), so i cannot assure that I chose the right ports; I > have a MOTU MIDIexpress XT, by the way), but as soon as I click > "Apply", the wine process goes into uninterruptible sleep state. > > Is it actually possible to connect the NM1 / MicroModular with the > editor in wine? Has anyone managed this? > > Thank you very much in advance. > -Michael > From brad at sonaural.com Thu Jun 1 11:08:09 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Jun 1 11:08:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 and Flash Audio In-Reply-To: <447EFE61.6070301@gmx.de> References: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> <447E7B73.3030204@kabelfoon.net> <447EF943.3030905@sonaural.com> <447EFE61.6070301@gmx.de> Message-ID: <447F02D9.1010701@sonaural.com> Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > Brad Fuller wrote: >> Bert Visser wrote: >> >>>> I've upgraded to FC5, and I'm slowly inching my way up to get audio >>>> working (PlanetCCRMA). I have a particular problem in that Flash video >>>> works fine, but I have no audio (occurs in Firefox, Opera and >>>> Konqueror.) I've searched for a solution and really haven't found >>>> anything that works. Some reports have said that a chmod to >>>> /dev/dsp of >>>> 0666 will help. Others say that changing the permissions on the >>>> "plugins" directory will do the trick. Nope, not for me. >>>> >>>> I noticed that I had no /dev/dsp. So, I kinda figured that maybe the >>>> Flash plugin hard defaults to writing to /dev/dsp. So I made one with >>>> ./MAKEDEV audio... and sure enough, a dsp1 was made. However, I still >>>> have no audio when playing flash in a browser. >>>> > /dev/dsp* are oss audio devices. > > oss drivers are marked as depreciated in the kernel, and are replaced > with alsa drivers. > > thus i am sure, FC5 will use ALSA instead of oss. > > there are oss compatibility modules for alsa, they are named: > snd_pcm_oss > snd_mixer_oss > snd_seq_oss as I mentioned, these do exist. So it's looking more and more like a udev problem. > > do 'lsmod | grep oss' and see if these modules are loaded. > if yes, there is something foobared with your udev setup - > if no (thats what i expect) load these modules: > > modprobe snd_pcm_oss > modprobe snd_mixer_oss > modprobe snd_seq_oss > > note, for sound playback (flash), only the first module is required. > > once you load the snd_pcm_oss module, udev should create /dev/dsp* as > required automatically. > > if sound playback still doesn't work, this might be because your > soundcard has no built in mixing capabilities, > and some other application is using your audio device. > 'other application' might include arts, which is started together with > KDE check with 'ps aux | grep artsd' and kill with 'killall artsd'. > the later command will disable sound in all kde apps. nope, don't have artsd running. I only use alsa. > > if you are running KDE (and arts), you might also try running firefox as > 'artsdsp firefox' from the konsole. this doesn't need the > aforementioned kernel modules. I've also tried 'aoss firefox' but that didn't work either. Thanks for the detailed and clear msg! brad From illth at gmx.de Thu Jun 1 11:22:32 2006 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Thu Jun 1 11:22:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 and Flash Audio In-Reply-To: <447F02D9.1010701@sonaural.com> References: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> <447E7B73.3030204@kabelfoon.net> <447EF943.3030905@sonaural.com> <447EFE61.6070301@gmx.de> <447F02D9.1010701@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <447F0638.2050203@gmx.de> Brad Fuller wrote: > Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > >> Brad Fuller wrote: >> >>> Bert Visser wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> I've upgraded to FC5, and I'm slowly inching my way up to get audio >>>>> working (PlanetCCRMA). I have a particular problem in that Flash video >>>>> works fine, but I have no audio (occurs in Firefox, Opera and >>>>> Konqueror.) I've searched for a solution and really haven't found >>>>> anything that works. Some reports have said that a chmod to >>>>> /dev/dsp of >>>>> 0666 will help. Others say that changing the permissions on the >>>>> "plugins" directory will do the trick. Nope, not for me. >>>>> >>>>> I noticed that I had no /dev/dsp. So, I kinda figured that maybe the >>>>> Flash plugin hard defaults to writing to /dev/dsp. So I made one with >>>>> ./MAKEDEV audio... and sure enough, a dsp1 was made. However, I still >>>>> have no audio when playing flash in a browser. >>>>> >>>>> >> /dev/dsp* are oss audio devices. >> >> oss drivers are marked as depreciated in the kernel, and are replaced >> with alsa drivers. >> >> thus i am sure, FC5 will use ALSA instead of oss. >> >> there are oss compatibility modules for alsa, they are named: >> snd_pcm_oss >> snd_mixer_oss >> snd_seq_oss >> > as I mentioned, these do exist. So it's looking more and more like a > udev problem. > > ok, /dev/dsp1 does exist and is usable (the modules are loaded) you could try to make a symlink from /dev/dsp1 to /dev/dsp ln -s /dev/dps1 /dev/dsp and see if things work. i noticed that for my installation (which is gentoo!), legacy oss devices are created in /dev/sound/ . maybe that is true for FC5 also. on my sys there are symlinks created from /dev/dsp to /dev/sound/dsp and so on. the udev rules look like this: # sound devices KERNEL=="adsp", NAME="sound/%k", SYMLINK+="%k", GROUP="audio" KERNEL=="adsp[0-9]*", NAME="sound/%k", SYMLINK+="%k", GROUP="audio" KERNEL=="audio", NAME="sound/%k", SYMLINK+="%k", GROUP="audio" KERNEL=="audio[0-9]*", NAME="sound/%k", SYMLINK+="%k", GROUP="audio" KERNEL=="dsp", NAME="sound/%k", SYMLINK+="%k", GROUP="audio" KERNEL=="dsp[0-9]*", NAME="sound/%k", SYMLINK+="%k", GROUP="audio" KERNEL=="mixer", NAME="sound/%k", SYMLINK+="%k", GROUP="audio" KERNEL=="mixer[0-9]*", NAME="sound/%k", SYMLINK+="%k", GROUP="audio" KERNEL=="sequencer", NAME="sound/%k", SYMLINK+="%k", GROUP="audio" KERNEL=="sequencer[0-9]*", NAME="sound/%k", SYMLINK+="%k", GROUP="audio" they are located under /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules (here in gentoo). >> do 'lsmod | grep oss' and see if these modules are loaded. >> if yes, there is something foobared with your udev setup - >> if no (thats what i expect) load these modules: >> >> modprobe snd_pcm_oss >> modprobe snd_mixer_oss >> modprobe snd_seq_oss >> >> note, for sound playback (flash), only the first module is required. >> >> once you load the snd_pcm_oss module, udev should create /dev/dsp* as >> required automatically. >> >> if sound playback still doesn't work, this might be because your >> soundcard has no built in mixing capabilities, >> and some other application is using your audio device. >> 'other application' might include arts, which is started together with >> KDE check with 'ps aux | grep artsd' and kill with 'killall artsd'. >> the later command will disable sound in all kde apps. >> > nope, don't have artsd running. I only use alsa. > > >> if you are running KDE (and arts), you might also try running firefox as >> 'artsdsp firefox' from the konsole. this doesn't need the >> aforementioned kernel modules. >> > I've also tried 'aoss firefox' but that didn't work either. > > Thanks for the detailed and clear msg! > > brad > > > From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Jun 1 15:24:55 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Jun 1 13:25:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nifty gizmo In-Reply-To: <1149169539.7503.6.camel@localhost> References: <1149169539.7503.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <447F3F07.5020606@poeticstudios.com> greg wrote: >http://monome.org > >Impressive video, runs OSC. $500 (ow!). Open source on the drivers and >firmware but they don't say how to build it. Anyone seen this in the >wild? Supposedly they're going to be shipping by two weeks ago. >gkj > > > I've read about it on many blogs in the past few months. I believe that the price is high because of the trendy design and the stylish pictures they made of the first prototypes. If you want to try to make your own, the electronic circuit to make such thing should be pretty cheap (10-20$). Then you should find and buy those backlit buttons, but you can use a simple button with a led above it for a less futuristic, more retro style. Anyway, it shouldn't be difficult to find this kind of buttons on some online shop. The firmware: one of the simplest assembly programs you can write. You can make it with the PIC 16f84 (5$) and a bunch of demultiplexer ICs. The protocol is: just send this 64 bits (one for each button). c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Jun 1 14:59:55 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Jun 1 14:57:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Indentity change? In-Reply-To: <20060601123631.GI17442@fitz.Belkin> References: <20060531224354.6da6ae92@office> <20060601123631.GI17442@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060601195955.7d5ff9b1@office> On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:36:31 +0100 james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > You could just change to "Foldy Roll", a kind of easily portable bread > product. Damn! Now look what you've done. I was just taking a swig of coffee :( -- F From gkjoyce at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 15:45:52 2006 From: gkjoyce at gmail.com (greg) Date: Thu Jun 1 15:46:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nifty gizmo In-Reply-To: <447F3F07.5020606@poeticstudios.com> References: <1149169539.7503.6.camel@localhost> <447F3F07.5020606@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <1149191152.18560.3.camel@localhost> I think it's based on this device more or less Arduino USB board http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=666 does anybody know about music-oriented projects around it already? If not, would anybody be interested in starting one? The PD HID object seems like it might be helpful as like a middleware for it. From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Jun 1 17:54:02 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Jun 1 15:54:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nifty gizmo In-Reply-To: <1149191152.18560.3.camel@localhost> References: <1149169539.7503.6.camel@localhost> <447F3F07.5020606@poeticstudios.com> <1149191152.18560.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <447F61FA.1070106@poeticstudios.com> greg wrote: >I think it's based on this device more or less >Arduino USB board >http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=666 >does anybody know about music-oriented projects around it already? If >not, would anybody be interested in starting one? The PD HID object >seems like it might be helpful as like a middleware for it. > > > > > I was already thinking about buying an arduino board. Too bad the bluetooth version isn't ready yet. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Jun 1 15:56:16 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (nigel henry) Date: Thu Jun 1 15:56:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 and Flash Audio In-Reply-To: <447EF943.3030905@sonaural.com> References: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> <447E7B73.3030204@kabelfoon.net> <447EF943.3030905@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <200606012156.17391.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Thursday 01 June 2006 16:27, Brad Fuller wrote: > Bert Visser wrote: > >> I've upgraded to FC5, and I'm slowly inching my way up to get audio > >> working (PlanetCCRMA). I have a particular problem in that Flash video > >> works fine, but I have no audio (occurs in Firefox, Opera and > >> Konqueror.) I've searched for a solution and really haven't found > >> anything that works. Some reports have said that a chmod to /dev/dsp of > >> 0666 will help. Others say that changing the permissions on the > >> "plugins" directory will do the trick. Nope, not for me. > >> > >> I noticed that I had no /dev/dsp. So, I kinda figured that maybe the > >> Flash plugin hard defaults to writing to /dev/dsp. So I made one with > >> ./MAKEDEV audio... and sure enough, a dsp1 was made. However, I still > >> have no audio when playing flash in a browser. > >> > >> Anyone come across this problem? Any ideas? > >> > >> brad > > > > There is a special yum repo for macromedia. Try installing flash with > > that as described on this page: > > > > http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_5_installation_notes.html# > > > > For me this did the trick. > > Thanks. Funny, I saw that after I sent the msg. But, it still doesn't > work for me. > bummer.... Hi. Sorry, I've lost the original post to this Flashplayer on FC5 problem. I have no such problems with Flashplayer and Firefox. Firefox version 1.5.0.3-1.1.fc5 (from latest FC5 updates) Kernel: 2.6.16-1.2080.13.rrt.rhfc5.ccrma (from planetccrma) Extra Alsa packages are all from planetccrma, including "alsa-oss" the alsa emulation layer for OSS. Flash tried on http://laracameron.com/main.html . Some of her stuff needs Flash, including sounds, and it works ok. My Flashplayer install. I have Apt installed, and added to /etc/apt/sources.list rpm http://macromedia.mplug.org/ rpm macromedia I could not find a GPG key for it on their site, so after DL'ing the flash-plugin using Synaptic, you have to uncheck the verify signature box otherwise it won't install. Then ran (as root) /usr/lib/flash-plugin/setup, and the Flashplayer just worked with Firefox, and no problems. I can't say much more, as it just seems to work, Nigel. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jun 1 16:10:05 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jun 1 16:10:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 and Flash Audio In-Reply-To: <200606012156.17391.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> <447E7B73.3030204@kabelfoon.net> <447EF943.3030905@sonaural.com> <200606012156.17391.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <1149192606.2472.30.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 21:56 +0200, nigel henry wrote: > My Flashplayer install. > > I have Apt installed, and added to /etc/apt/sources.list > rpm http://macromedia.mplug.org/ rpm macromedia > > I could not find a GPG key for it on their site, so after DL'ing the > flash-plugin using Synaptic, you have to uncheck the verify signature > box > otherwise it won't install. > > Then ran (as root) /usr/lib/flash-plugin/setup, and the Flashplayer > just > worked with Firefox, and no problems. The problem has nothing to do with Flash player. It cannot possibly work if /dev/dsp does not exist. Lee From lanas at securenet.net Thu Jun 1 17:03:59 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Thu Jun 1 17:04:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My two best songs so far In-Reply-To: <1148675850.31954.4.camel@groovious> References: <1148675850.31954.4.camel@groovious> Message-ID: <20060601170359.68389682@mistral.stie> On Fri, 26 May 2006 22:37:30 +0200 John Anderson wrote: Hi, Here are my brief impressions. > http://www.semiosix.com/songs/firelightless.ogg This one has a definite charm that installs itself despite the percussion being - I find - a turn off from the start. It's a strong piece, I find, that can live in a bare minimum, which is a pretty good thing after all. > http://www.semiosix.com/songs/thirty.ogg This one does not give such an impression. It's nice, but there's no focal point I find. In both pieces the percussion could benefit a lot from not being so straight forward. You write that you like real instruments, so the percussion also should be real. With a percussion track that is much more alive, then it's possible to redo the bass track to play some hide and seek with the percussion. Only that would add much more of a driving force (not in the sense of power, but in the sense of tone colours). Again, the first piece is quite good. Cheers, Al From brad at sonaural.com Thu Jun 1 18:42:33 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Jun 1 18:42:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 and Flash Audio In-Reply-To: <1149192606.2472.30.camel@mindpipe> References: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> <447E7B73.3030204@kabelfoon.net> <447EF943.3030905@sonaural.com> <200606012156.17391.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1149192606.2472.30.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <447F6D59.2030802@sonaural.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 21:56 +0200, nigel henry wrote: > >> My Flashplayer install. >> >> I have Apt installed, and added to /etc/apt/sources.list >> rpm http://macromedia.mplug.org/ rpm macromedia >> >> I could not find a GPG key for it on their site, so after DL'ing the >> flash-plugin using Synaptic, you have to uncheck the verify signature >> box >> otherwise it won't install. >> >> Then ran (as root) /usr/lib/flash-plugin/setup, and the Flashplayer >> just >> worked with Firefox, and no problems. >> > > The problem has nothing to do with Flash player. It cannot possibly > work if /dev/dsp does not exist. > after I: * cd /dev * ./MAKEDEV audio * ln -s dsp1 dsp audio started to work in flash. Don't know what will happen when I reboot.. brad From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 19:16:29 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Jun 1 19:17:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: nifty gizmo In-Reply-To: <1149169539.7503.6.camel@localhost> References: <1149169539.7503.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On 6/1/06, greg wrote: > http://monome.org > > Impressive video, runs OSC. $500 (ow!). Open source on the drivers and > firmware but they don't say how to build it. Anyone seen this in the > wild? Supposedly they're going to be shipping by two weeks ago. > gkj > > Are they touch sensitive, i.e mpc style or just on off? ?$500 is really really over the top for on off and pretty pointless. Loki From josepadovani at yahoo.com.br Thu Jun 1 22:27:00 2006 From: josepadovani at yahoo.com.br (Jose Henrique Padovani) Date: Thu Jun 1 22:27:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Quatafire 610 and freebob: recent news? Message-ID: <447FA1F4.80109@yahoo.com.br> So: I have visited six motnhs ago the freebob site and became very curious about Quatafire 610 under linux... The site has not changed to much since then. Any news? It would be a very nice interface to use in any system. (linux, mac, win...) I have particular interest in intercative music on Puredata then low latency would be a important thing.. Another thing that would be nice know is if anyone knows about freebob integration on Debian based distros like Ubuntu. I thanks anyone that has news or sugestions (not RME, please: to high prices on my country). J.H. _______________________________________________________ Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail: 1GB de espa?o, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. http://mail.yahoo.com.br/ From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 17:32:23 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti Gmail) Date: Thu Jun 1 22:28:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RV: Musix 0.40 released! Message-ID: <200606012332.23839.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> http://www.musix.org.ar/en/software-detalles2-040.html Musix 0.40 released! Thanks to the support of the Ututo Proyect, FSF, Ourproject, and to the usual collaborators, the Musix project has just released Musix 0.40, whose programs were tested for over 2 months, time that allowed to solve all kind of problems over Musix 0.39, and to make the more relevant software updates. 0.40 can be consider the more stable and functional Musix version until now, and its use is recommendable in the long term. Musix 0.49 will be an extremely updated version, hopping to support new hardware. When Musix reaches version 1.0 at the beginning of 2007, the stability of the system will be optimal, mainly because the package repository of the Debian/testing distribution will be frozen, that is to say, stable, so the users of Musix will not have problems when trying to install new software. Musix counts with its own software package repository that has been growing. It is hoped to incorporate new software nonavailable in Debian, like mplayer or cinelerra (video edition). The Musix project has offered several speeches in different institutions during 2005 and 2006, affirming the commitment with the diffusion of free software among musicians, sound engineers and users in general. Important programs/packages updated * Ardour 0.99.2 (some bugs fixed, last stable version) * Hydrogen Drum Machine 0.9.3 * Hwdata 0.177-1 (better hardware detection, specially video) * Freewheeling 0.5.1 (fweelin-0.5.1_0.5.1-1_i386.deb) * Rox-Filer 2.4.1-1 (file manager and desktop icons) * Zynaddsubfx 2.2.1-4 New programs/packages installed * Rosegarden 1.2.3 (Musix 039 and 040 are the only distros with this new version!) * Mixxx 1.4.2-1 (Digital Disc Jockey Interface) * Cecilia 2.0.5-2 * Csound 4.23f13 * guidedog 1.0.0-3 (routing) * guarddog 2.5.0-1 (firewall) * jackeq 0.4.0-2 (simple EQ for JACK) * echomixer - control tool for Echoaudio soundcards * envy24control - control tool for Envy24 (ice1712) based soundcards * hdspconf - GUI program to control the Hammerfall HDSP Alsa Settings * hdspmixer - advanced routing features control of the RME Hammerfall DSP * rmedigicontrol - control tool for RME Digi32 and RME Digi96 soundcards Packages removed * libncurses5-dev and its dependencies * libx11-dev and its dependencies * kernel 2.6.15.2 Others changes * Spanish Documentation about Ardour * kernel 2.6.15.2 was replaced by 2.6.11 of Musix 0.31 to achive more compatibility with SATA disks * The others kernels of Musix 0.40: 2.6.15.4, 2.6.13, 2.6.15.3-rt still remain * Several scripts were created and improved to make more easy the use of the system * A new script that can change the themes for the rox-filer desktop * Isolinux screenboot was modified (logo.16) * Wallpapers from Jorge Salgueiro were added * Some new presets for Jamin were added from Gilberto Borges (~/.jamin) Solved problems Generally speaking, this problems has been solved: * KDM (desktop manager) takes too long to launch, solved * After updated GTK, some desktop icons disappear, solved * After the installation, the system reboots Ok Known problems in Musix 0.40 * The new Rosegarden 1.2.3 (Musix is the only distro with this version) crashes when trying to record audio. We will soon inform how to solve it * It is probable that the installation in some SATA hard disks may not possible (test) * It is probable that the no-root users does not inherit the configuration of the Musix's desktop. This is solved with 2 commands in text console (terminal), just type: mkdir ~/.config cp -Rp /root/.config/* ~/.config Next version, Musix 0.49 * Musix 0,49 will have the new version of ALSA, 1.0.11 , which solves hundreds of bugs and incorporates new functionalities and support for soundcards * Hundreds of software packages will be updated ( 459 until now) * Kernel 2.6.16-beyond4.1 could be the default one for this version. This kernel already can be installed along with the new ALSA drivers from the Musix repository (apt-get update && apt-get -y install alsa-modules-2.6.16-beyond4.1 linux-image-2.6.16-beyond4.1) * It is hoped to be released in a few days -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * Descarga el CD de Musix: (www.musix.org.ar) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ From chris at mccormick.cx Thu Jun 1 22:41:02 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Thu Jun 1 22:43:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nifty gizmo In-Reply-To: <1149191152.18560.3.camel@localhost> References: <1149169539.7503.6.camel@localhost> <447F3F07.5020606@poeticstudios.com> <1149191152.18560.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20060602024101.GA24209@mccormick.cx> On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 03:45:52PM -0400, greg wrote: > I think it's based on this device more or less > Arduino USB board > http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=666 > does anybody know about music-oriented projects around it already? If I beleive that Hans Steiner has written an ardurino interfacing object for Pd. He is the author of [hid]. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From _ at whats-your.name Fri Jun 2 00:43:33 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (c) Date: Fri Jun 2 00:43:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux-friendly SIP provider Message-ID: <20060602044333.GA6574@replic.net> hey.. just wondering if anyone has any experience with or recommendations for providers of something like the SkypeIN service (eg, POTS network users can call you) but supporting IAX/SIP/whatever protocols are usable in the latest groovy gtk/jack-compatible VOIP apps...(ok, im assuming those exist).. thanks,c From ernst at pulsewidth.ca Fri Jun 2 02:49:43 2006 From: ernst at pulsewidth.ca (Ernie Dulanowsky) Date: Fri Jun 2 02:49:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nifty gizmo In-Reply-To: <20060602024101.GA24209@mccormick.cx> References: <1149169539.7503.6.camel@localhost> <447F3F07.5020606@poeticstudios.com> <1149191152.18560.3.camel@localhost> <20060602024101.GA24209@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <321dfa6a0606012349i5265ba31w240dfa10bcca56b6@mail.gmail.com> I thinkthe developers are Mac users, based on the amount of Max/MSP patches available. There's some PD patches as well, but not as many. The mapd server, which I believe performs mapping to OSC or MIDI, is opensource. I don't think the buttons are touch sensitive. The relatively high price comes from the fact that they are making small, handbuilt production run, down to heating solder paste in a toaster oven. They've actually designed their own logic board based on an amtel mega32, the big brother of the mega 8 on the Arduino board. The demo videos are worth a look. cheers, ernie On 6/1/06, Chris McCormick wrote: > On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 03:45:52PM -0400, greg wrote: > > I think it's based on this device more or less > > Arduino USB board > > http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=666 > > does anybody know about music-oriented projects around it already? If > > I beleive that Hans Steiner has written an ardurino interfacing object > for Pd. He is the author of [hid]. > > Best, > > Chris. > > ------------------- > chris@mccormick.cx > http://mccormick.cx > -- "Both Rob and I see sound as shapes. I only have to do this (makes a fist) and he knows what sound I mean". - Autechre ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Ernie Dulanowsky CCNA CWLSS www.pulsewidth.ca >> test_tones on www.cjtr.ca << From _ at whats-your.name Fri Jun 2 03:20:39 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (c) Date: Fri Jun 2 03:20:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] usb-audio compatibe ATA devices In-Reply-To: <20060602044333.GA6574@replic.net> References: <20060602044333.GA6574@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060602072039.GA19245@replic.net> there appear to be a number of USB ATA devices, with a rj-11 plug for analog telephone network. i'm wondering if any of these are compatible with the usb-audio ALSA driver? USB would certainly be preferable to the other options which require a large wall-wart, and an ethernet hub/cables... From arnold.krille at gmail.com Fri Jun 2 04:16:59 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Fri Jun 2 04:17:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Indentity change? In-Reply-To: <20060601195955.7d5ff9b1@office> References: <20060531224354.6da6ae92@office> <20060601123631.GI17442@fitz.Belkin> <20060601195955.7d5ff9b1@office> Message-ID: <2def88b80606020116k7b080c6s614649870ff9024b@mail.gmail.com> 2006/6/1, Folderol : > On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:36:31 +0100 > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > You could just change to "Foldy Roll", a kind of easily portable bread > > product. > Damn! Now look what you've done. I was just taking a swig of coffee :( I am just waiting for "Foldy('s) Roll over Beethoven" :-) Arnold, the true one -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From ardour at semiosix.com Fri Jun 2 05:19:30 2006 From: ardour at semiosix.com (John Anderson) Date: Fri Jun 2 05:20:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My two best songs so far In-Reply-To: <20060601170359.68389682@mistral.stie> References: <1148675850.31954.4.camel@groovious> <20060601170359.68389682@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <1149239970.26055.20.camel@groovious> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 17:03 -0400, lanas wrote: > Here are my brief impressions. > > > http://www.semiosix.com/songs/firelightless.ogg > > This one has a definite charm that installs itself despite the > percussion being - I find - a turn off from the start. What exactly don't you like about it? > > http://www.semiosix.com/songs/thirty.ogg > > This one does not give such an impression. It's nice, but there's no > focal point I find. > > In both pieces the percussion could benefit a lot from not being so > straight forward. You write that you like real instruments, so the > percussion also should be real. With a percussion track that is > much more alive, then it's possible to redo the bass track to play some > hide and seek with the percussion. Only that would add much more of a > driving force (not in the sense of power, but in the sense of > tone colours). Yeah, finding a real live drummer / percussionist is on my todo list. Thanks for your comments. bye John From pieterp at joow.be Fri Jun 2 05:51:32 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Fri Jun 2 05:52:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Quatafire 610 and freebob: recent news? In-Reply-To: <447FA1F4.80109@yahoo.com.br> References: <447FA1F4.80109@yahoo.com.br> Message-ID: <44800A24.4050204@joow.be> Jose Henrique Padovani wrote: > So: > I have visited six motnhs ago the freebob site and became very curious > about Quatafire 610 under linux... > The site has not changed to much since then. Any news? > It would be a very nice interface to use in any system. (linux, mac, > win...) I have particular interest in intercative music on Puredata then > low latency would be a important thing.. > Another thing that would be nice know is if anyone knows about freebob > integration on Debian based distros like Ubuntu. > I thanks anyone that has news or sugestions (not RME, please: to high > prices on my country). > J.H. > FreeBoB 1.0 is going to be released very shortly now. Normally it would have been this week, but we are waiting for the other projects upon which we depend to release their stuff, so that it is insta-usable. FreeBoB 1.0 will support the quatafire 610. I'd say: keep an eye on the list. Greets, Pieter Palmers FreeBoB developer From asbjs at stud.ntnu.no Fri Jun 2 06:11:01 2006 From: asbjs at stud.ntnu.no (=?iso-8859-1?B?QXNiavhybiBT5mL4?=) Date: Fri Jun 2 06:10:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Generating x frames of silence wav. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060602101101.GB20972@stud.ntnu.no> On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 09:45:36PM +0200, Alex Polite wrote: > I need to programatically pad a wav file with x frames of silence. I > figure the best way of doing is to generate a wav file containing x > frames of silence and concatenate the generated file with the > original. Problem is I don't know how to generate the silence. Read the wave file into octave (wavread()). Generate all the zeros you want (zeros()). Append the the zeros to the original. Write the wave file out again (wavwrtie()). > The method I'm using now feels kind of backwards. I generate two sine > waves that are phase shifted in relation to one another and then I mix > them so that they cancel one another out. If you can generate a sine wave, why not generate one with amplitude zero? Asbj?rn From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Jun 2 06:19:43 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Jun 2 06:19:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Generating x frames of silence wav. In-Reply-To: <20060602101101.GB20972@stud.ntnu.no> References: <20060602101101.GB20972@stud.ntnu.no> Message-ID: <20060602101943.GP17442@fitz.Belkin> On Fri, 02 Jun, 2006 at 12:11PM +0200, Asbj?rn S?b? spake thus: > On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 09:45:36PM +0200, Alex Polite wrote: > > I need to programatically pad a wav file with x frames of silence. I > > figure the best way of doing is to generate a wav file containing x > > frames of silence and concatenate the generated file with the > > original. Problem is I don't know how to generate the silence. > > Read the wave file into octave (wavread()). > Generate all the zeros you want (zeros()). > Append the the zeros to the original. > Write the wave file out again (wavwrtie()). > > > > The method I'm using now feels kind of backwards. I generate two sine > > waves that are phase shifted in relation to one another and then I mix > > them so that they cancel one another out. > > If you can generate a sine wave, why not generate one with amplitude > zero? Maybe that particular kind of silence is copyrighted? If only that quip wasn't inspired by fact. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2276621.stm > Asbj?rn > > From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Jun 2 06:37:12 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Jun 2 06:37:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: linux-friendly SIP provider In-Reply-To: <20060602044333.GA6574@replic.net> References: <20060602044333.GA6574@replic.net> Message-ID: There is a provider in Switzerland and Austria called 'SipCall' which offers Swiss and Austrian PSTN numbers for free and is rapidly expanding (phone calls to regular PSTN numbers are charged). If you want to call pure SIP clients you would probably have to run an asterisk or similar server under your own domain and call forward to this service. It's something I've been wanting to do for quite a while but never got round to. If you sign up, please take the time to do so over my web site! I make a profit from recommending them but the reason I do so is that I use them for all my private and business calls and am very satisfied with them. If you want to create a server I'd be only to happy to participate in some way! Carlo -- All the music your friends don't know yet - for free! http://carlocapocasa.com From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Jun 2 08:45:21 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Jun 2 08:46:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Indentity change? In-Reply-To: <2def88b80606020116k7b080c6s614649870ff9024b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060531224354.6da6ae92@office> <20060601195955.7d5ff9b1@office> <2def88b80606020116k7b080c6s614649870ff9024b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200606021345.21420.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 02 June 2006 09:16, Arnold Krille was like: > 2006/6/1, Folderol : > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:36:31 +0100 > > > > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > You could just change to "Foldy Roll", a kind of easily portable bread > > > product. > > > > Damn! Now look what you've done. I was just taking a swig of coffee :( > > I am just waiting for "Foldy('s) Roll over Beethoven" :-) I for one would support this name change because you will inevitably make more money: every gig of yours will be "A bun dance" and considering the additional origami implied, each time you use this new moniker, you will find it "in creases". You asked for that. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From michael.wgnr at gmail.com Fri Jun 2 10:02:06 2006 From: michael.wgnr at gmail.com (Michael Wagner) Date: Fri Jun 2 10:02:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Nord Modular Editor in Wine In-Reply-To: <447F012A.1040403@gmail.com> References: <79f0682c0606010753j5ca95a02re23c2a8735352800@mail.gmail.com> <447F012A.1040403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79f0682c0606020702w2500f7b7rb5f03b17b072def@mail.gmail.com> On 6/1/06, Marije Baalman wrote: > I've never tried this, but you might want to look at: > > http://nmedit.sourceforge.net/ Thanks. I may have a look at it. -Michael From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jun 2 12:24:15 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jun 2 12:24:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] usb-audio compatibe ATA devices In-Reply-To: <20060602072039.GA19245@replic.net> References: <20060602044333.GA6574@replic.net> <20060602072039.GA19245@replic.net> Message-ID: <1149265455.27227.5.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 07:20 +0000, c wrote: > there appear to be a number of USB ATA devices, with a rj-11 plug for analog telephone network. i'm wondering if any of these are compatible with the usb-audio ALSA driver? USB would certainly be preferable to the other options which require a large wall-wart, and an ethernet hub/cables... > ATA is a disk drive technology, what does it have to do with audio? Lee From lau at kudla.org Fri Jun 2 12:30:57 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Fri Jun 2 12:31:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] usb-audio compatibe ATA devices In-Reply-To: <1149265455.27227.5.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060602044333.GA6574@replic.net> <20060602072039.GA19245@replic.net> <1149265455.27227.5.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200606021230.57524.lau@kudla.org> On Fri June 2 2006 12:24, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 07:20 +0000, c wrote: > > there appear to be a number of USB ATA devices, with a rj-11 > > plug for analog telephone network. i'm wondering if any of > > these are compatible with the usb-audio ALSA driver? USB > ATA is a disk drive technology, what does it have to do with > audio? ATA also means "analog telephone adapter", in the telecom world. Many ATA's (like the Linksys one we use with Vonage) are little embedded boxes, sometimes with a built-in router or other hardware, but they also make them as PC peripherals. This is what he is referring to. Usually they show up as sound cards, though I assume they have extra ioctl's or whatever for dealing with things like detecting off-hook status, etc. My only ATA experience with Linux was with PCI and ISA cards, which did have drivers. Rob From rzewnickie at rfa.org Fri Jun 2 12:32:11 2006 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Fri Jun 2 12:32:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] usb-audio compatibe ATA devices In-Reply-To: <1149265455.27227.5.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060602044333.GA6574@replic.net> <20060602072039.GA19245@replic.net> <1149265455.27227.5.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060602163211.GK8696@rfa.org> On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:24:15PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 07:20 +0000, c wrote: > > there appear to be a number of USB ATA devices, with a rj-11 plug for analog telephone network. i'm wondering if any of these are compatible with the usb-audio ALSA driver? USB would certainly be preferable to the other options which require a large wall-wart, and an ethernet hub/cables... > > > > ATA is a disk drive technology, what does it have to do with audio? I think, but could be wrong, ATA is overloaded in phone speak scope where it means something like "a phone". -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki Apprentice Linux Audio Developer and Mostly Harmless Sysadmin (text below this line mandated by management) Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jun 2 12:38:43 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jun 2 12:38:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] usb-audio compatibe ATA devices In-Reply-To: <20060602163211.GK8696@rfa.org> References: <20060602044333.GA6574@replic.net> <20060602072039.GA19245@replic.net> <1149265455.27227.5.camel@mindpipe> <20060602163211.GK8696@rfa.org> Message-ID: <1149266323.27227.8.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 12:32 -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:24:15PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 07:20 +0000, c wrote: > > > there appear to be a number of USB ATA devices, with a rj-11 plug for analog telephone network. i'm wondering if any of these are compatible with the usb-audio ALSA driver? USB would certainly be preferable to the other options which require a large wall-wart, and an ethernet hub/cables... > > > > > > > ATA is a disk drive technology, what does it have to do with audio? > > I think, but could be wrong, ATA is overloaded in phone speak scope > where it means something like "a phone". > Arrrgh, what genius decided to overload a really common acronym like this? Lee From hans at fugal.net Fri Jun 2 12:45:28 2006 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Fri Jun 2 12:45:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] usb-audio compatibe ATA devices In-Reply-To: <1149266323.27227.8.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060602044333.GA6574@replic.net> <20060602072039.GA19245@replic.net> <1149265455.27227.5.camel@mindpipe> <20060602163211.GK8696@rfa.org> <1149266323.27227.8.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060602164528.GA6455@falcon.fugal.net> On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 at 12:38 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > I think, but could be wrong, ATA is overloaded in phone speak scope > > where it means something like "a phone". > > > > Arrrgh, what genius decided to overload a really common acronym like > this? Alas acronym overloading happens all the time. In this case, the voip ATA is a noun, and the disk ATA is an adjective so they rarely get confused. -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060602/4146407c/attachment.bin From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jun 2 12:40:05 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jun 2 12:46:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] usb-audio compatibe ATA devices In-Reply-To: <200606021230.57524.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060602044333.GA6574@replic.net> <20060602072039.GA19245@replic.net> <1149265455.27227.5.camel@mindpipe> <200606021230.57524.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1149266406.27227.10.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 12:30 -0400, Rob wrote: > On Fri June 2 2006 12:24, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 07:20 +0000, c wrote: > > > there appear to be a number of USB ATA devices, with a rj-11 > > > plug for analog telephone network. i'm wondering if any of > > > these are compatible with the usb-audio ALSA driver? USB > > ATA is a disk drive technology, what does it have to do with > > audio? > > ATA also means "analog telephone adapter", in the telecom world. > > Many ATA's (like the Linksys one we use with Vonage) are little > embedded boxes, sometimes with a built-in router or other > hardware, but they also make them as PC peripherals. This is > what he is referring to. Usually they show up as sound cards, > though I assume they have extra ioctl's or whatever for dealing > with things like detecting off-hook status, etc. > > My only ATA experience with Linux was with PCI and ISA cards, > which did have drivers. Is there a standard, or does each vendor roll their own? Lee From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Fri Jun 2 13:15:46 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Fri Jun 2 13:12:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 and Flash Audio In-Reply-To: <447F6D59.2030802@sonaural.com> References: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> <447E7B73.3030204@kabelfoon.net> <447EF943.3030905@sonaural.com> <200606012156.17391.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1149192606.2472.30.camel@mindpipe> <447F6D59.2030802@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <44807242.4030900@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brad Fuller escribi?: > Lee Revell wrote: >> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 21:56 +0200, nigel henry wrote: >> >>> My Flashplayer install. >>> >>> I have Apt installed, and added to /etc/apt/sources.list rpm >>> http://macromedia.mplug.org/ rpm macromedia >>> >>> I could not find a GPG key for it on their site, so after >>> DL'ing the flash-plugin using Synaptic, you have to uncheck the >>> verify signature box otherwise it won't install. >>> >>> Then ran (as root) /usr/lib/flash-plugin/setup, and the >>> Flashplayer just worked with Firefox, and no problems. >>> >> The problem has nothing to do with Flash player. It cannot >> possibly work if /dev/dsp does not exist. >> > after I: > > * cd /dev * ./MAKEDEV audio * ln -s dsp1 dsp > > audio started to work in flash. Don't know what will happen when I > reboot.. > > brad > Please check your udev rules. I'm pretty sure it is not recognizing your manufacturer's ID, so you may need to add a rule for it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEgHJCXM+XOp70dwoRAjalAJ9nbWSbV9SA55ksKEkNAsYmgAXHUwCdHour h8yiHYgjjmPSROMfXsGqN9I= =Ln20 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brad at sonaural.com Fri Jun 2 13:20:55 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Fri Jun 2 13:21:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 and Flash Audio In-Reply-To: <44807242.4030900@prodigy.net.mx> References: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> <447E7B73.3030204@kabelfoon.net> <447EF943.3030905@sonaural.com> <200606012156.17391.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1149192606.2472.30.camel@mindpipe> <447F6D59.2030802@sonaural.com> <44807242.4030900@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <44807377.8070101@sonaural.com> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Brad Fuller escribi?: > >> Lee Revell wrote: > >>> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 21:56 +0200, nigel henry wrote: > >>> > >>>> My Flashplayer install. > >>>> > >>>> I have Apt installed, and added to /etc/apt/sources.list rpm > >>>> http://macromedia.mplug.org/ rpm macromedia > >>>> > >>>> I could not find a GPG key for it on their site, so after > >>>> DL'ing the flash-plugin using Synaptic, you have to uncheck the > >>>> verify signature box otherwise it won't install. > >>>> > >>>> Then ran (as root) /usr/lib/flash-plugin/setup, and the > >>>> Flashplayer just worked with Firefox, and no problems. > >>>> > >>> The problem has nothing to do with Flash player. It cannot > >>> possibly work if /dev/dsp does not exist. > >>> > >> after I: > >> > >> * cd /dev * ./MAKEDEV audio * ln -s dsp1 dsp > >> > >> audio started to work in flash. Don't know what will happen when I > >> reboot.. > >> > >> brad > >> > Please check your udev rules. I'm pretty sure it is not recognizing > your manufacturer's ID, so you may need to add a rule for it. What do I look for? Are you referring to the file: /etc/udev/50-udev.rules? I have a delta 66 (ice1712), are you referring to that when you say it's not recognizing the manufacturer's ID? FWIW, here is some info on my 50-udev.rules file: [root@ives rules.d]# cat 50-udev.rules | grep oss KERNEL=="osst*", GROUP="disk", MODE="0660" KERNEL=="nosst*", GROUP="disk", MODE="0660" KERNEL=="nosst[0-9]", BUS=="scsi", SYMLINK+="tape-%k", MODE="0660" # st/osst: 1 TYPE_TAPE SYSFS{model}!="ADR*", RUN+="/sbin/modprobe osst" [ root@ives rules.d]# cat 50-udev.rules | grep dsp KERNEL=="dsp*", MODE="0660" KERNEL=="adsp*", MODE="0660" KERNEL=="dsp0", SYMLINK+="dsp" From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jun 2 13:26:19 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jun 2 13:26:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 and Flash Audio In-Reply-To: <44807377.8070101@sonaural.com> References: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> <447E7B73.3030204@kabelfoon.net> <447EF943.3030905@sonaural.com> <200606012156.17391.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1149192606.2472.30.camel@mindpipe> <447F6D59.2030802@sonaural.com> <44807242.4030900@prodigy.net.mx> <44807377.8070101@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1149269180.27391.13.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 10:20 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > What do I look for? Are you referring to the > file: /etc/udev/50-udev.rules? > I have a delta 66 (ice1712), are you referring to that when you say > it's not recognizing the manufacturer's ID? Was this a fresh FC5 install or an upgrade? Is there any way to check whether old packages are hanging around? Lee From brad at sonaural.com Fri Jun 2 14:20:00 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Fri Jun 2 14:20:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 and Flash Audio In-Reply-To: <1149269180.27391.13.camel@mindpipe> References: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> <447E7B73.3030204@kabelfoon.net> <447EF943.3030905@sonaural.com> <200606012156.17391.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1149192606.2472.30.camel@mindpipe> <447F6D59.2030802@sonaural.com> <44807242.4030900@prodigy.net.mx> <44807377.8070101@sonaural.com> <1149269180.27391.13.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44808150.9010907@sonaural.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 10:20 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > >> What do I look for? Are you referring to the >> file: /etc/udev/50-udev.rules? >> I have a delta 66 (ice1712), are you referring to that when you say >> it's not recognizing the manufacturer's ID? >> > > Was this a fresh FC5 install or an upgrade? Is there any way to check > whether old packages are hanging around? > > fresh install. Complete reformat of drive From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Jun 2 14:48:35 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (nigel henry) Date: Fri Jun 2 14:48:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 and Flash Audio In-Reply-To: <1149192606.2472.30.camel@mindpipe> References: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> <200606012156.17391.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1149192606.2472.30.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200606022048.35457.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Thursday 01 June 2006 22:10, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 21:56 +0200, nigel henry wrote: > > My Flashplayer install. > > > > I have Apt installed, and added to /etc/apt/sources.list > > rpm http://macromedia.mplug.org/ rpm macromedia > > > > I could not find a GPG key for it on their site, so after DL'ing the > > flash-plugin using Synaptic, you have to uncheck the verify signature > > box > > otherwise it won't install. > > > > Then ran (as root) /usr/lib/flash-plugin/setup, and the Flashplayer > > just > > worked with Firefox, and no problems. > > The problem has nothing to do with Flash player. It cannot possibly > work if /dev/dsp does not exist. > > Hi Lee. Fair comment. I did a fresh install of FC5 on some harddrive freespace last night. On the first install of FC5, when I eventually got X to start, the bootup showed selinux started, then udev tried to start, but failed, also saying it would continue to try in the background. I disabled selinux, as I don't feel that I need it, and at the next reboot udev started with no problems. On that install I now have planetccrma stuff, music apps, etc. I thought it best to try a fresh install to see if /dev/dsp was there with these udev problems on bootup. Some time later (4 am) , with the same udev failure showing on the fresh install, I got logged into KDE. Opened up /dev , and there is dsp giving me the finger, so it does not appear to be a problem caused by selinux, and udev showing a fail on bootup. I have never done an upgrade over an existing install, but have read that there can be problems. Nigel. From fbar at footils.org Fri Jun 2 15:06:48 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Fri Jun 2 15:06:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nifty gizmo In-Reply-To: <20060602024101.GA24209@mccormick.cx> References: <1149169539.7503.6.camel@localhost> <447F3F07.5020606@poeticstudios.com> <1149191152.18560.3.camel@localhost> <20060602024101.GA24209@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <20060602190647.GG28773@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote: > On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 03:45:52PM -0400, greg wrote: > > I think it's based on this device more or less > > Arduino USB board > > http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=666 > > does anybody know about music-oriented projects around it already? If > > I beleive that Hans Steiner has written an ardurino interfacing object > for Pd. He is the author of [hid]. It's available here [1] and contains of a general purpose firmware for the Arduino, which makes it possible to control it with standard Pd messages send to or read from the serial port using the Pd object [comport]. An example Pd patch is included. [1] http://at.or.at/hans/pd/objects.html There also is Christian Klippel's IObox/MultiIO, which provides more in- and outputs. Normally it's available through http://multio.mamalala.de/ but the site seems to be in resturctureing or something, it's just shows the Apache default page ATM. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From fbar at footils.org Fri Jun 2 15:16:31 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Fri Jun 2 15:16:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: nifty gizmo In-Reply-To: References: <1149169539.7503.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20060602191630.GH28773@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Loki Davison hat gesagt: // Loki Davison wrote: > On 6/1/06, greg wrote: > >http://monome.org > > > >Impressive video, runs OSC. $500 (ow!). Open source on the drivers and > >firmware but they don't say how to build it. Anyone seen this in the > >wild? Supposedly they're going to be shipping by two weeks ago. > >gkj > > > > > > Are they touch sensitive, i.e mpc style or just on off? ?$500 is > really really over the top for on off and pretty pointless. You're not only getting the readymade board, but also full source code, which is way more than e.g. M-Audio provides. And with buying the unit, you also support the developement of the source code as free software. Plus: It's probably a very small run with not a big number of units produced. I wish the monome-people all the best with their stuff, they seem to have the right attitude. This also is visible in their "about" page with words like this: we choose not to outsource production in cases where it supports controversial governments, exploits workers, and leads to destructive environmental practices. by working with small, local companies we hope to foster long-term relationships, gain more insight and control over production, and actually witness our products? progression. as a result we engage in continuous and responsive design. we choose to support companies who share our values; companies who provide living wages, clean and safe working environments, and high quality goods. $500 may be a lot of money, but obviously one shouldn't expect Behringer prices with these standards. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jun 2 15:30:11 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jun 2 15:31:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 and Flash Audio In-Reply-To: <44808150.9010907@sonaural.com> References: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> <447E7B73.3030204@kabelfoon.net> <447EF943.3030905@sonaural.com> <200606012156.17391.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1149192606.2472.30.camel@mindpipe> <447F6D59.2030802@sonaural.com> <44807242.4030900@prodigy.net.mx> <44807377.8070101@sonaural.com> <1149269180.27391.13.camel@mindpipe> <44808150.9010907@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1149276612.27391.38.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 11:20 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 10:20 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > > > >> What do I look for? Are you referring to the > >> file: /etc/udev/50-udev.rules? > >> I have a delta 66 (ice1712), are you referring to that when you say > >> it's not recognizing the manufacturer's ID? > >> > > > > Was this a fresh FC5 install or an upgrade? Is there any way to check > > whether old packages are hanging around? > > > > > fresh install. Complete reformat of drive > You should report it in the Fedora bugzilla then. Lee From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Jun 3 12:04:38 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Jun 3 12:04:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Awakening the Avenger with percussion Message-ID: <20060603160438.GA7333@charly.SWORD> Hi! http://www.archive.org/details/avenger Folderol/Terry Blunt/Will J Godfrey's Awakening the Avenger in a mix with somewhat busy percussion by yours truly :) Questions and comments welcome, including sugestions for a more descriptive ... description on the Archive page. Thanks to Will for letting me work with his great material. Thanks to all involved in the nice tools used (Rosegarden, ZynAddSubFX, MusE, Timemachine, Sweep, Patchage, Om and many LADSPAs) and all the infrastructure. Special thanks to Dave Robillard for Om, making me forget my drum sample collection ... Oh, and to Loki for showing me via Smack how to get more out of it ;) Best, Thorsten Wilms From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sat Jun 3 15:43:22 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sat Jun 3 15:44:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Awakening the Avenger with percussion In-Reply-To: <20060603160438.GA7333@charly.SWORD> References: <20060603160438.GA7333@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <200606032143.23609.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Saturday 03 June 2006 18:04, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Hi! > > http://www.archive.org/details/avenger > > Folderol/Terry Blunt/Will J Godfrey's Awakening the Avenger > in a mix with somewhat busy percussion by yours truly :) > > Questions and comments welcome, including sugestions for a more > descriptive ... description on the Archive page. > > > Thanks to Will for letting me work with his great material. > > Thanks to all involved in the nice tools used (Rosegarden, > ZynAddSubFX, MusE, Timemachine, Sweep, Patchage, Om and many > LADSPAs) and all the infrastructure. Special thanks to Dave > Robillard for Om, making me forget my drum sample collection ... > Oh, and to Loki for showing me via Smack how to get more out > of it ;) > > > Best, > Thorsten Wilms Hi Thorsten. It's a while since I listened to folderol, aka Will, aka Foldy Rolls, aka private Godfrey's original, which I liked a lot. Adding the percussion to it has really given it some punch. I was expecting some Techno version from you, but you've done a great job adding the percussion. I pushed it as much as I could through my DJ sound system, and it really sounds great. Colaborations really do work. Nigel. ps: I have all the music apps, am rubbish at using them, but do enjoy listening to the music, that folks that are good at it ,have created. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sat Jun 3 17:32:48 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sat Jun 3 17:32:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: nifty gizmo In-Reply-To: <20060602191630.GH28773@fliwatut.scifi> References: <1149169539.7503.6.camel@localhost> <20060602191630.GH28773@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1149370368.11527.161.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 21:16 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > I wish the monome-people all the best with their stuff, they seem to > have the right attitude. This also is visible in their "about" page > with words like this: > > we choose not to outsource production in cases where it supports > controversial governments, exploits workers, and leads to > destructive environmental practices. by working with small, local > companies we hope to foster long-term relationships, gain more > insight and control over production, and actually witness our > products? progression. as a result we engage in continuous and > responsive design. we choose to support companies who share our > values; companies who provide living wages, clean and safe working > environments, and high quality goods. > > $500 may be a lot of money, but obviously one shouldn't expect > Behringer prices with these standards. Very strongly echoed. The price still seems very high, but that is mostly because Behringer and many others have convinced us that its normal to pay (for example) US$120 for a full-featured MIDI pedal board. if the world had less hands in pockets, and more hands on hearts, we'd be paying more for everything but be so much richer at the same time. its great to see some other people trying to live up to such goals. From pcoccoli at gmail.com Sat Jun 3 22:14:04 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Sat Jun 3 22:14:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 and Flash Audio In-Reply-To: <1149276612.27391.38.camel@mindpipe> References: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> <447EF943.3030905@sonaural.com> <200606012156.17391.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <1149192606.2472.30.camel@mindpipe> <447F6D59.2030802@sonaural.com> <44807242.4030900@prodigy.net.mx> <44807377.8070101@sonaural.com> <1149269180.27391.13.camel@mindpipe> <44808150.9010907@sonaural.com> <1149276612.27391.38.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <8d27a0610606031914l30a223c6u72a605d334060fc7@mail.gmail.com> For the record, I installed FC5 last night and Flash audio did not seem to work for me either. /dev/dsp was there, the ALSA OSS compatiblity modules were loaded, and XMMS using the OSS output plugin worked fine. My default soundcard is a Delta 66, but my motherboard has on-board audio. It turns out Flash audio is going to the motherboard audio while everything else is coming out the Delta 66 (including XMMS using OSS). Strange...I guess I should disable the on-board audio in the BIOS, or at least fiddle /etc/modules.conf... paul From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Sat Jun 3 19:59:45 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti Gmail) Date: Sun Jun 4 00:55:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] An experimental version of Musix 0.49 will be available in a few hours/days Message-ID: <200606040159.45212.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> An experimental version of Musix 0.49 will be available in a few hours/days Main features: * kernel 2.6.16-beyond4.1 (it might support installation in SATA hard drives) * knxinstaller -optional- (advanced installer taken from Kanotix distribution) * 460 updated software packages * ALSA 1.0.11 audio drivers for kernel 2.6.16-beyond4.1 * Note: kernel 2.6.16-beyond4.1 does not have the realtime patch from Ingo Molar applied, but its performance is quite good (it was tested). "Beyond4.1" refers to a series of patches that were not applied to the traditional kernel yet (vanilla). Musix 0.49 will at least give hardware support for new sound cards, etc. We hope you can test it and report errors or success. Musix 0.40 is much more tested, and we suggest to use this version in long-term if you do not have hardware detection problems. Musix 0.49 is thought for those who have new computers and/or hardware compatibility problems. -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * Descarga el CD de Musix: (www.musix.org.ar) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ From yo at xrousse.org Sun Jun 4 05:09:33 2006 From: yo at xrousse.org (Yohann =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=E9r=E9ziat?=) Date: Sun Jun 4 05:07:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Motu Traveler Message-ID: <20060604090933.GA18376@xrousse.lan> I wanted to buy a MOTU Traveler, but as you know, this external audio card isn't supported by Freebob since MOTU looks hostile to support GNU/Linux... Here is the email I wrote to MOTU sales department: >Dear all, > >I was looking to buy a MOTU traveler because it's the best interface >fiting my needs I have seen on the web! > >The only reason I won't do that and buy another firewire device, is >that the Traveler doesn't support GNU/Linux. I only use opensource >softwares and I work exclusively with Linux to compose my music so I >can't use your product... > >It will be a great pleasure the day you will be listed in this table >:-) >http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Working_Setups > >Best regards. And here is the answer from MOTU Sales Dpt: Yohann, Thank you for your interest. MOTU has no current plans to support Linux OS. I will forward your email to our Director of Marketing so that he is aware of your interest in Linux support. If I can be of further service, please let me know. Dave Roberts - MOTU ----------- My email will probably have no effect... But maybe if every musician working with Linux and interested by the Traveler send such an email... Cheers. -- Yohann http://www.xrousse.org From t_w_ at freenet.de Sun Jun 4 05:15:22 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sun Jun 4 05:15:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Awakening the Avenger with percussion In-Reply-To: <200606032143.23609.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <20060603160438.GA7333@charly.SWORD> <200606032143.23609.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20060604091522.GA7306@charly.SWORD> On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 09:43:22PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote: > > http://www.archive.org/details/avenger > > Hi Thorsten. It's a while since I listened to folderol, aka Will, aka Foldy > Rolls, aka private Godfrey's original, which I liked a lot. Adding the > percussion to it has really given it some punch. I was expecting some Techno > version from you, but you've done a great job adding the percussion. I pushed > it as much as I could through my DJ sound system, and it really sounds great. Thank you! Techno version ... heh ... never even though of going 4 to the floor / all machine-like on this one :) > Colaborations really do work. Yes, and they're fun. > ps: I have all the music apps, am rubbish at using them, but do enjoy > listening to the music, that folks that are good at it ,have created. If you knew how my early steps did sound like, more than 10 years ago ;) Cheers, Thorsten Wilms From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Jun 4 10:50:01 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Jun 4 10:47:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Awakening the Avenger with percussion In-Reply-To: <20060604091522.GA7306@charly.SWORD> References: <20060603160438.GA7333@charly.SWORD> <200606032143.23609.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20060604091522.GA7306@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060604155001.54ce7044@office> On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:15:22 +0200 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 09:43:22PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > http://www.archive.org/details/avenger > > > > Hi Thorsten. It's a while since I listened to folderol, aka Will, aka Foldy > > Rolls, aka private Godfrey's original, which I liked a lot. Adding the > > percussion to it has really given it some punch. I was expecting some Techno > > version from you, but you've done a great job adding the percussion. I pushed > > it as much as I could through my DJ sound system, and it really sounds great. > > Thank you! Techno version ... heh ... never even though of going 4 to the floor > / all machine-like on this one :) Ummm, now you're using language I don't even understand :( > > Colaborations really do work. > > Yes, and they're fun. And gives you another dimension on your own work! > > > ps: I have all the music apps, am rubbish at using them, but do enjoy > > listening to the music, that folks that are good at it ,have created. > > If you knew how my early steps did sound like, more than 10 years ago ;) My very early attempts were done on multi-track tape recorders in the 1970s, now all lost (ahem) sadly. On my first attempts using keyboard and sequencers I cheated rather, by learning to play the pieces complete and using the sequencer just as an editing tool. ... then of course I wanted to add counter melodies etc. and the fun REALLY started :) -- Fol ... Wi ... Oh put what you like here! From t_w_ at freenet.de Sun Jun 4 11:03:49 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sun Jun 4 11:03:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Awakening the Avenger with percussion In-Reply-To: <20060604155001.54ce7044@office> References: <20060603160438.GA7333@charly.SWORD> <200606032143.23609.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20060604091522.GA7306@charly.SWORD> <20060604155001.54ce7044@office> Message-ID: <20060604150349.GB7306@charly.SWORD> On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 03:50:01PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > > > Thank you! Techno version ... heh ... never even though of going 4 to the floor > > / all machine-like on this one :) > > Ummm, now you're using language I don't even understand :( The common Techno/House kickdrum on all 4 beats is sometimes called 4 to the floor. > > > Colaborations really do work. > > > > Yes, and they're fun. > > And gives you another dimension on your own work! And gives you insight into how others work / how their stuff is structured :) > My very early attempts were done on multi-track tape recorders in the > 1970s, now all lost (ahem) sadly. On my first attempts using keyboard > and sequencers I cheated rather, by learning to play the pieces complete > and using the sequencer just as an editing tool. Strange you would call learning to play the pieces completely cheating. The sequencer is my first instrument and my keyboard skills ... well, I play in a few monophonic lines sometimes :) -- Thorsten Wilms From quibbles at adelphia.net Sun Jun 4 12:11:43 2006 From: quibbles at adelphia.net (The Quibbler) Date: Sun Jun 4 12:09:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] lost recording capability of my soundcard Message-ID: <200606041211.43710.quibbles@adelphia.net> I don't know what happened. Less than a month ago, I could record, now I can't. Playback works, and I can hear the input through the speakers. It just doesn't get recorded. I think the problem started after a debian sarge update of KDE. I've played with every button in KMix, but nothing resolves the problem. I can't record from any imput source, no matter which I select in KMix. Can someone please point me in the right direction? It's a dual-boot system. I can bring up Windows, and record fine, so there's nothing wrong with the card. I'm using 2.6.10 kernel with ALSA, and it's a SB Live! card. And, as I said, everything was working fine a short while ago, so some setting must have changed somewhere. The weird thing (and maybe a key clue to you all) is that playback works fine. From capocasa at gmx.net Sun Jun 4 12:14:21 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sun Jun 4 12:14:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Motu Traveler In-Reply-To: <20060604090933.GA18376@xrousse.lan> References: <20060604090933.GA18376@xrousse.lan> Message-ID: > My email will probably have no effect... But maybe if every musician > working with Linux and interested by the Traveler send such an email... On the contrary. Your e-mail will set in motion a chain of events that will lead to MOTU traveller support. Just don't give up! After all, businesses are only there to serve people and are sometimes a little sluggish when it comes to numbers... Also, due to Richard Stallman's occasional screamingness when it comes to biz in general they are probably a little cautious with linux. There simply need be a little bit of propaganda that working with linux can lead to large profits, and that working with linux profitably need not compromise the Open Source spirit. Nothing easier than that :) Just need to keep thinking about it. Carlo From kvehmanen at eca.cx Sun Jun 4 15:33:36 2006 From: kvehmanen at eca.cx (Kai Vehmanen) Date: Sun Jun 4 15:36:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ecasound interactive mode In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610605252037w5975a56fiefb7f5bda270a7b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d27a0610605221934p4ee11852i90c4c64ee646a86a@mail.gmail.com> <8d27a0610605252037w5975a56fiefb7f5bda270a7b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Paul, On Thu, 25 May 2006, Paul Coccoli wrote: > On 5/25/06, Kai Vehmanen wrote: > Thanks for the help. One other question: is there a way to play one > file followed immediately by another, without having to first append > one to the other? short answer: not as easy as you'd like. You can sort of do it with the ewf files [1], but with limited functionality. Depends a lot on the use-case whether the ewf-files are sufficient for your use. This has been a much asked ecasound feature (and has been for many years). There clearly is a need for easier-to-use software for doing simple audio clip sequencing from the command-line and scripts. You can do these things with various tools (ecasound, sox, csound, plus many, many others), but either the tools are too powerful for the task in hand (-> too complex), or are functionally limited. I'd really like to improve ecasound in this area, but so far I've just not had the time (and clearly we are not talking about a trivial task). There has been a ewf-v2.0 development effort (ecasound 'edi-20' devel item) going on since November 2001, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that one. ;) And the ewf-v2.0 is probably a dead end anyways. I think the basic operations should be doable straight from the command line, making it much more usable for scripts and other similar apps (like say, a script for adding a short commercial sound clip to thousands of audio files ;)). [1] http://eca.cx/ecasound/Documentation/users_guide/html_uguide/users_guide.html#htoc37 -- links, my public keys, etc at http://eca.cx/kv From wsynth at gjcp.net Sun Jun 4 16:08:13 2006 From: wsynth at gjcp.net (Gordon JC Pearce) Date: Sun Jun 4 16:08:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux-friendly SIP provider In-Reply-To: <20060602044333.GA6574@replic.net> References: <20060602044333.GA6574@replic.net> Message-ID: <1149451693.29788.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 04:43 +0000, c wrote: > hey.. > just wondering if anyone has any experience with or recommendations for providers of something like the SkypeIN service (eg, POTS network users can call you) but supporting IAX/SIP/whatever protocols are usable in the latest groovy gtk/jack-compatible VOIP apps...(ok, im assuming those exist).. > > thanks,c I'm using sipgate.co.uk for a few numbers, and gossiptel for my outgoing calls. They work pretty well. There's also voipuser.org who provide non-geographic numbers and allow limited free outgoing calls. Gordon. From link at sumerianbabyl.com Sun Jun 4 16:35:02 2006 From: link at sumerianbabyl.com (Link Swanson) Date: Sun Jun 4 16:35:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HELP! udev fails at boot after plugging in MIDI keyboad on CCRMA Message-ID: <20821.216.17.51.98.1149453302.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> I just got a cheap "Quickshot MIDI Composer" MIDI keyboard and plugged it into my RME HDSP/MultifaceII. I had the keyboard powered on at boot and udev took longer than usual and then said "FAILED" and stops the entire boot process. I have no idea what to do, as I am a noob. The frightening thing is that I need to export four hours of High School choir and band recordings that I did with Ardour and need to be done tomorrow by 8:00a.m. or I won't get paid and the students won't have a CD to take with them as they finish the year. I need to get this done tonight but my system won't boot past "starting udev" If anyone knows what to try, THANK YOU! Link From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jun 4 16:54:00 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jun 4 16:54:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HELP! udev fails at boot after plugging in MIDI keyboad on CCRMA In-Reply-To: <20821.216.17.51.98.1149453302.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> References: <20821.216.17.51.98.1149453302.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> Message-ID: <1149454440.30785.29.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 15:35 -0500, Link Swanson wrote: > > I just got a cheap "Quickshot MIDI Composer" MIDI keyboard and plugged it > into my RME HDSP/MultifaceII. I had the keyboard powered on at boot and > udev took longer than usual and then said "FAILED" and stops the entire > boot process. I have no idea what to do, as I am a noob. > > The frightening thing is that I need to export four hours of High School > choir and band recordings that I did with Ardour and need to be done > tomorrow by 8:00a.m. or I won't get paid and the students won't have a CD > to take with them as they finish the year. > > I need to get this done tonight but my system won't boot past "starting udev" > > If anyone knows what to try, THANK YOU! I guess you already tried rebooting with the keyboard unplugged? Lee From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Jun 4 17:02:15 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Jun 4 17:00:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HELP! udev fails at boot after plugging in MIDI keyboad on CCRMA In-Reply-To: <1149454440.30785.29.camel@mindpipe> References: <20821.216.17.51.98.1149453302.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <1149454440.30785.29.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060604220215.0fd463a2@office> On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 16:54:00 -0400 Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 15:35 -0500, Link Swanson wrote: > > > > I just got a cheap "Quickshot MIDI Composer" MIDI keyboard and plugged it > > into my RME HDSP/MultifaceII. I had the keyboard powered on at boot and > > udev took longer than usual and then said "FAILED" and stops the entire > > boot process. I have no idea what to do, as I am a noob. > > > > The frightening thing is that I need to export four hours of High School > > choir and band recordings that I did with Ardour and need to be done > > tomorrow by 8:00a.m. or I won't get paid and the students won't have a CD > > to take with them as they finish the year. > > > > I need to get this done tonight but my system won't boot past "starting udev" > > > > If anyone knows what to try, THANK YOU! > > I guess you already tried rebooting with the keyboard unplugged? > > Lee Exactly what I was going to suggest! -- Will J G From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jun 4 17:04:45 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jun 4 17:04:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HELP! udev fails at boot after plugging in MIDI keyboad on CCRMA In-Reply-To: <20060604220215.0fd463a2@office> References: <20821.216.17.51.98.1149453302.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <1149454440.30785.29.camel@mindpipe> <20060604220215.0fd463a2@office> Message-ID: <1149455085.30785.31.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 22:02 +0100, Folderol wrote: > > I guess you already tried rebooting with the keyboard unplugged? > > > > Lee > > Exactly what I was going to suggest! > Another possibility is that the plug connecting the breakout box to the PCI card came loose. Lee From link at sumerianbabyl.com Sun Jun 4 17:43:56 2006 From: link at sumerianbabyl.com (Link Swanson) Date: Sun Jun 4 17:44:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HELP! udev fails at boot after plugging in MIDI keyboad on CCRMA In-Reply-To: <1149454440.30785.29.camel@mindpipe> References: <20821.216.17.51.98.1149453302.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <1149454440.30785.29.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <50659.216.17.51.98.1149457436.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> On Sun, June 4, 2006 3:54 pm, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 15:35 -0500, Link Swanson wrote: >> >> I just got a cheap "Quickshot MIDI Composer" MIDI keyboard and plugged >> it >> into my RME HDSP/MultifaceII. I had the keyboard powered on at boot and >> udev took longer than usual and then said "FAILED" and stops the entire >> boot process. I have no idea what to do, as I am a noob. >> >> The frightening thing is that I need to export four hours of High School >> choir and band recordings that I did with Ardour and need to be done >> tomorrow by 8:00a.m. or I won't get paid and the students won't have a >> CD >> to take with them as they finish the year. >> >> I need to get this done tonight but my system won't boot past "starting >> udev" >> >> If anyone knows what to try, THANK YOU! > > I guess you already tried rebooting with the keyboard unplugged? You guessed correctly. > > Lee > > -- e-mail is . . . From link at sumerianbabyl.com Sun Jun 4 17:49:16 2006 From: link at sumerianbabyl.com (Link Swanson) Date: Sun Jun 4 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HELP! udev fails at boot after plugging in MIDI keyboad on CCRMA In-Reply-To: <1149455085.30785.31.camel@mindpipe> References: <20821.216.17.51.98.1149453302.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <1149454440.30785.29.camel@mindpipe> <20060604220215.0fd463a2@office> <1149455085.30785.31.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <53979.216.17.51.98.1149457756.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> On Sun, June 4, 2006 4:04 pm, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-06-04 at 22:02 +0100, Folderol wrote: >> > I guess you already tried rebooting with the keyboard unplugged? >> > >> > Lee >> >> Exactly what I was going to suggest! >> > > Another possibility is that the plug connecting the breakout box to the > PCI card came loose. > > Lee I'm not sure if this was the case or not, but I unplugged the breakout box and it booted fine, then I reconnected it and booted again: POOF! It's back to normal! Thanks so much guys. This truly is an amazing list. Not that this was an amazing solution (I had it going before I read responses), but the fact that I got responses, with a working solution, in less than 40 minutes is better than any tech support I've experienced. I suppose you guys want a check for your work . . . be well, Link > > > -- e-mail is . . . From link at sumerianbabyl.com Sun Jun 4 17:50:57 2006 From: link at sumerianbabyl.com (Link Swanson) Date: Sun Jun 4 17:51:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE: Update: HELP! udev fails at boot . . . fixed! solved! In-Reply-To: <20821.216.17.51.98.1149453302.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> References: <20821.216.17.51.98.1149453302.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> Message-ID: <54924.216.17.51.98.1149457857.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> Thanks for reading this. It's all better now and I stopped sobbing :) Link On Sun, June 4, 2006 3:35 pm, Link Swanson wrote: > > > I just got a cheap "Quickshot MIDI Composer" MIDI keyboard and plugged it > into my RME HDSP/MultifaceII. I had the keyboard powered on at boot and > udev took longer than usual and then said "FAILED" and stops the entire > boot process. I have no idea what to do, as I am a noob. > > The frightening thing is that I need to export four hours of High School > choir and band recordings that I did with Ardour and need to be done > tomorrow by 8:00a.m. or I won't get paid and the students won't have a CD > to take with them as they finish the year. > > I need to get this done tonight but my system won't boot past "starting > udev" > > If anyone knows what to try, THANK YOU! > > Link > > _______________________________________________ > PlanetCCRMA mailing list > PlanetCCRMA@ccrma.stanford.edu > http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/planetccrma > -- e-mail is . . . From ivalladolidt at terra.es Mon Jun 5 04:50:04 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Mon Jun 5 04:50:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Free (as in freedom) sample converter Message-ID: <20060605085004.GA1900@spma33> Any GPL program in the shape of Awave Studio or Chicken Systems Translator for converting sample formats to soundfonts in order to be used with fluidsynth? It doesn't matter if it's pre-alpha stuff, anyway it would be funny helping testing. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Mon Jun 5 10:00:05 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Mon Jun 5 10:00:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Guitar Software In-Reply-To: <20060605085004.GA1900@spma33> References: <20060605085004.GA1900@spma33> Message-ID: <1149516005.7069.7.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Hi, After much googling I am unable to find a peice of software that will generate guitar lines. I need a midi synth of some form, but that will for example handle strumming as well as plucked chords, and sounds like an acoustic guitar. (which I can choose to or not to distort.) If anyone has any ideas then please let me know, or if there are any resources I should have been aware of before posting this. God Bless Jonty From b0ef at esben-stien.name Mon Jun 5 15:40:03 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Mon Jun 5 13:42:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux-friendly SIP provider In-Reply-To: <20060602044333.GA6574@replic.net> (c.'s message of "Fri, 2 Jun 2006 04:43:33 +0000") References: <20060602044333.GA6574@replic.net> Message-ID: <87lksbie7g.fsf@esben-stien.name> c <_@whats-your.name> writes: > eg, POTS network users can call you (supporting IAX/SIP) I use a SIP provider for all my PSTN affairs. There is a list on voip-info[2] of clean SIP providers offering a SIP account. I'm using the norwegian televoip[1]. [1]http://televoip.no [2]http://voip-info.org The things I'm looking for is using a pay-as-you-go scheme, which enables me to use any provider, best suited for the call I'm making. Many companies offer SIP service, but refuse to let you be independent by offering a SIP account. It doesn't really matter what country the provider is in, as long as latency is not too high. You should try your luck asking the asterisk users list as you will get a more thorough answer, also taking into account, the country which you reside. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Mon Jun 5 16:08:19 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Mon Jun 5 16:08:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC5 and Flash Audio In-Reply-To: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> References: <447E3A65.1000705@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1149538099.6528.76.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 17:52 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > I've upgraded to FC5, and I'm slowly inching my way up to get audio > working (PlanetCCRMA). I have a particular problem in that Flash video > works fine, but I have no audio (occurs in Firefox, Opera and > Konqueror.) I've searched for a solution and really haven't found > anything that works. Some reports have said that a chmod to /dev/dsp of > 0666 will help. Others say that changing the permissions on the > "plugins" directory will do the trick. Nope, not for me. > > I noticed that I had no /dev/dsp. So, I kinda figured that maybe the > Flash plugin hard defaults to writing to /dev/dsp. So I made one with > ./MAKEDEV audio... and sure enough, a dsp1 was made. However, I still > have no audio when playing flash in a browser. > > Anyone come across this problem? Any ideas? I stumbled across something similar a while back (no solution found). What soundcard are you using? If flash does not find the "correct" mixer controls or configuration it just keeps looking for another soundcard it can use, in my case it ignored by delta66 and went on to the (unused) mobo soundcard. Do an "strace mozilla &>trace", try the thing you want to use and browse through the copious output searching for "/dev" or something like that - to try to find out what the plugins is trying to do. -- Fernando From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Jun 5 17:07:38 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Jun 5 17:08:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Apogee Ensemble / Freebob Message-ID: Hi! What's the status of the Apogee Ensemble with Freebob? Carlo From pieterp at joow.be Mon Jun 5 18:12:22 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Mon Jun 5 18:12:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Apogee Ensemble / Freebob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4484AC46.30409@joow.be> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Hi! > > What's the status of the Apogee Ensemble with Freebob? > The product page says: "FireWire 400 I/O, compatible with OS X Core Audio (no driver required)" As far as I know, this 'no driver required' on OSX is a feature of the BeBoB based solutions (only?). We had positive reports for the AD-16X and the DA-16X with FreeBoB, and the product page indicates that they use the same control panel for all of these products. All circumstantial evidence of course, but I would expect it to be usable with FreeBob. I haven't tried one yet though. You can always ask their customer department if the Ensembe is BeBoB based. Or direct this to the FreeBoB-devel mailing list, I'm not sure everyone there is watching this list. Greets, Pieter Palmers FreeBoB developer From zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk Mon Jun 5 19:40:03 2006 From: zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk (peter) Date: Mon Jun 5 18:40:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Call for LV2 logo designs Message-ID: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> sorry about the new thread. i just subscribed. here's my entry for the logo comp: http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/logo_variations.png sources can be found here http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/LV2_logo_paugh.tar not quite late but far from early. :) pete. -- ====================== paugh on irc.freenode.org in #sweep, #lad kickback@users.sourceforge.net ====================== From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 5 21:07:17 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Mon Jun 5 21:07:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] streaming dvd audio over wlan In-Reply-To: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> References: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <4484D545.3000302@sbcglobal.net> Hi fellas. I need some suggestions as to the best way to play audio from a dvd in my laptop on my desktop ( which is connected to my serious stereo ). the goal here is to be able to sit back on my couch and watch a movie on the laptop, but with my jawesome stereo for sound rather than the pipsqueak built in speakers. The network is 802.11b, which i'm thinking won't have the bandwidth to handle netjack. Should I set up an mp3 or ogg vorbis stream server on my laptop that i can then tune in on the desktop? if so, how do i handle syncronizing the sound on the desktop with the image on the laptop? I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of cool ideas you all may have. Brian From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Mon Jun 5 21:20:11 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Mon Jun 5 21:22:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Call for LV2 logo designs In-Reply-To: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> References: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <1149556811.8563.6.camel@DaveLap> On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 00:40 +0100, peter wrote: > sorry about the new thread. i just subscribed. > > here's my entry for the logo comp: > http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/logo_variations.png > > sources can be found here > http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/LV2_logo_paugh.tar > > > not quite late but far from early. > :) > pete. Damn, nice work. I like the lower right one (but maybe make the '2' yellow as well?) -DR- From _ at whats-your.name Mon Jun 5 22:32:16 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (c) Date: Mon Jun 5 22:32:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] streaming dvd audio over wlan In-Reply-To: <4484D545.3000302@sbcglobal.net> References: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> <4484D545.3000302@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20060606023216.GA31853@replic.net> On Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 08:07:17PM -0500, Brian Dunn wrote: > Hi fellas. > I need some suggestions as to the best way to play audio from a dvd in my laptop on my desktop ( which is connected to my serious stereo ). > > the goal here is to be able to sit back on my couch and watch a movie on the laptop, but with my jawesome stereo for sound rather than the > pipsqueak built in speakers. > > The network is 802.11b, which i'm thinking won't have the bandwidth to handle netjack. Should I set up an mp3 or ogg vorbis stream server on my > laptop that i can then tune in on the desktop? if so, how do i handle syncronizing the sound on the desktop with the image on the laptop? 2 ideas come to mind. they both involve mplayer.. - start playback on both at once, with a pair of xterms, a python script, ssh, whatever. one with -noaudio and one with -novideo - on the video machine, run jackd, ices-jack (in the 'kh' branch of their SVN last i checked), and mplayer -ao jack (set mplayer to autoconnect to ices, with jack.plumbing or qjackctl). on the server, run icecast, and mplayer http://localhost:8000/.ogg. the audio delay should be fairly consistent so you can fix it with either an audio predelay or a video delay argument to mplayer.. might also want to check out NMM, its designed for this purpose. i just tend to find these other progs never play nearly as much stuff as mplayer.. > > I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of cool ideas you all may have. > > Brian > From _ at whats-your.name Mon Jun 5 22:35:55 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (c) Date: Mon Jun 5 22:36:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Call for LV2 logo designs In-Reply-To: <1149556811.8563.6.camel@DaveLap> References: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> <1149556811.8563.6.camel@DaveLap> Message-ID: <20060606023555.GB31853@replic.net> On Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 09:20:11PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 00:40 +0100, peter wrote: > > sorry about the new thread. i just subscribed. > > > > here's my entry for the logo comp: > > http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/logo_variations.png > > > > sources can be found here > > http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/LV2_logo_paugh.tar > > > > > > not quite late but far from early. > > :) > > pete. > > Damn, nice work. > > I like the lower right one (but maybe make the '2' yellow as well?) part of me thinks the 2 is too small like its hanging off a ledge. and as long as youre going for a ripoff of the VST logo, might as well use the one in the lower left, since its 'modern' in terms of the candy-coating and glare we've come to expect (but lay off the glare a bit) > > -DR- > > From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Mon Jun 5 19:59:52 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti Gmail) Date: Tue Jun 6 00:54:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for high quality samples for Linux In-Reply-To: <200604090151.28356.stuff@trackingsolutions.ca> References: <4438B11D.7010205@vtr.net> <200604090151.28356.stuff@trackingsolutions.ca> Message-ID: <200606060159.52742.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El Domingo, 9 de Abril de 2006 09:51, stuff@trackingsolutions.ca escribi?: > Well... after spending 2 week researching and building my hardware and > software and spending $1000 I have the following: > > - Demudi 1.2.1 > - AMD 3200 + XP (NVidea) > - 1 GB RAM > - M-Audio Audiophile 2494 > - Yamaha P-70 keyboard > - Recompiled kernel with "Complete Preemption (Real-Time)" turned on > - Priorities set for my card and jack > - 0 XRUNS! Finally! That only took me a week! > > I am at the stage now where I need to make my wife (the composer) happy. We > are looking for the best quality orchestra samples that we can run under > Linux. I have been referred to several samples that apparently cannot run > in Linux due to the fact that the sound is processed by Windows apps first > and the samples themselves do not sound that good. > > What is our best route to take in solving our problem? http://theremin.music.uiowa.edu/MIS.html http://freepats.opensrc.org/samples/tmue/ Freepats it's working in that, you can help by making sf2 files :D http://opensrc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freepats -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * Descarga el CD de Musix: (www.musix.org.ar) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Tue Jun 6 03:03:35 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Petter_Sundl=F6f?=) Date: Tue Jun 6 03:03:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Call for LV2 logo designs In-Reply-To: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> References: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <448528C7.5080006@findus.dhs.org> I really like it. peter wrote: > sorry about the new thread. i just subscribed. > > here's my entry for the logo comp: > http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/logo_variations.png > > sources can be found here > http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/LV2_logo_paugh.tar > > > not quite late but far from early. > :) > pete. > > -- > > ====================== > paugh on irc.freenode.org in #sweep, #lad > kickback@users.sourceforge.net > ====================== > > > > From julien at c-lab.de Tue Jun 6 04:17:46 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue Jun 6 04:18:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] listening to livestream of german radio In-Reply-To: <20060531160048.GH14780@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060531160048.GH14780@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: In May 31 A.D. 2006 Frank Barknecht scripsit: > Hallo Julien, Hallo Frank! > I've heard that "wget http://dradio-live.ogg.t-bn.de/dlf_high.ogg" can > save the stream to a file, but of course I've never used that with a > cronjob to record late night programs. No, I never did that. I also would NEVER dream of it... Kindest regards Julien > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > > -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Tue Jun 6 06:39:41 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Tue Jun 6 06:40:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Motu Traveler In-Reply-To: References: <20060604090933.GA18376@xrousse.lan> Message-ID: <200606061139.41438.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Sunday 04 June 2006 17:14, Carlo Capocasa was like: > On the contrary. Your e-mail will set in motion a chain of events that > will lead to MOTU traveller support. Just don't give up! After all, > businesses are only there to serve people and are sometimes a little > sluggish when it comes to numbers... Also, due to Richard Stallman's > occasional screamingness when it comes to biz in general they are > probably a little cautious with linux. There simply need be a little bit > of propaganda that working with linux can lead to large profits, and > that working with linux profitably need not compromise the Open Source > spirit. > > Nothing easier than that :) Just need to keep thinking about it. In principle you are right Carlo, positive thinking usually works, however, I think you have a loose *earth connection*. MOTU have made a hard-headed business decision not to support Linux AFAICT. Your "little bit of propaganda" is likely to get dismissed as just that. Changing their minds will take skillful arguments and positive action from users, like Yohann and many others. I feel you underestimate MOTU, they need serious convincing if they are ever to take Linux seriously and that will take weight of numbers. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From julien at c-lab.de Tue Jun 6 07:20:59 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue Jun 6 07:21:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ls >2GB limitation resolved? Message-ID: Hi! Can anyone tell me if the limitation to ls not loading .gig-instrument larger than 2gb, is resolved? Because I'm seriously thinking about purchasing a big nice grandpiano. Also does anyone definitely know about pedal-down and key-release-samples. Does LS recognise those and treat them right? Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk Tue Jun 6 09:32:33 2006 From: zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk (peter) Date: Tue Jun 6 08:33:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Call for LV2 logo designs In-Reply-To: <20060606023555.GB31853@replic.net> References: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> <1149556811.8563.6.camel@DaveLap> <20060606023555.GB31853@replic.net> Message-ID: <1149600753.5420.78.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 02:35 +0000, c wrote: > On Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 09:20:11PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 00:40 +0100, peter wrote: > > > sorry about the new thread. i just subscribed. > > > > > > here's my entry for the logo comp: > > > http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/logo_variations.png > > > > > > sources can be found here > > > http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/LV2_logo_paugh.tar > > > > > > > > > not quite late but far from early. > > > :) > > > pete. > > > > Damn, nice work. > > > > I like the lower right one (but maybe make the '2' yellow as well?) DR: they are supposed to be different variations of the same logo for different circumstances, rather than being 4 different candidates. (mono for display on a white bg, inverted for a black bg, flat colour for simple colour displays/print and bling version for the sake of bling. (i forgot to take the drop shadow off of the bottom right logo, it shouldn't be there.)) as for the colours, as with everything else, i'm happy to make changes as required. i don't mind if parts of mine are combined with other entries either. > > part of me thinks the 2 is too small like its hanging off a ledge. and as long as youre going for a ripoff of the VST logo, might as well use the one in the lower left, since its 'modern' in terms of the candy-coating and glare we've come to expect (but lay off the glare a bit) c: i like the height. it lends the logo a unique identity. it might be too thin though. a rip off of the vst logo? is that what they teach you in troll school? ;) (it isn't a ripoff of the vst logo, period) cheers, pete. -- ====================== paugh on irc.freenode.org in #sweep, #lad kickback@users.sourceforge.net ====================== From _ at whats-your.name Tue Jun 6 08:58:57 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (c) Date: Tue Jun 6 08:59:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Call for LV2 logo designs In-Reply-To: <1149600753.5420.78.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> References: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> <1149556811.8563.6.camel@DaveLap> <20060606023555.GB31853@replic.net> <1149600753.5420.78.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060606125857.GD31853@replic.net> > (it isn't a ripoff of the vst logo) yeah. http://www.lnt.de/~stepe/demo/VSTPlugin/pics/VST_logo.jpg . 3 characters, sounded by a rounded rect, and a shiny coating of some sort.. thats all the points of inflection I need.. the reason i prefer thorwils is the hand-crafted look instead of just a font (and 2 different incongruous fonts at that), the 2 is too thin and hanging off a clif, and looks like its about to be replaced with a 3, then a 4. where as the 2 in the other one is clearly there to stay (given the extensibility i'd hope this is the case), and is 'plugging in' to the rest of the logo, without an obvious graphical plug as displayed in the VST logo id like to see thorwil's logo given the 4 panel treatment. since i definitely agree with everything in logo_variations.png except the typography itself.. cheers... > ;) From mis at artengine.ca Tue Jun 6 09:19:43 2006 From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta) Date: Tue Jun 6 09:18:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Guitar Software In-Reply-To: <1149516005.7069.7.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <20060605085004.GA1900@spma33> <1149516005.7069.7.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <86mzcq2zgw.fsf@localhost.localdomain> Jonty Needham writes: > Hi, > > After much googling I am unable to find a peice of software that will > generate guitar lines. I need a midi synth of some form, but that will > for example handle strumming as well as plucked chords, and sounds like > an acoustic guitar. (which I can choose to or not to distort.) I think you are being very vague about what you are actually looking for. For starters, take a look at http://linux-sound.org/guitar.html. Otherwise, it seems to me that you're looking for a combination of sequencer/sampler/effects processor (any of those ca be found in various sections of the http://linux-sound.org website). ./MiS From zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk Tue Jun 6 11:34:54 2006 From: zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk (peter) Date: Tue Jun 6 10:35:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Call for LV2 logo designs In-Reply-To: <20060606125857.GD31853@replic.net> References: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> <1149556811.8563.6.camel@DaveLap> <20060606023555.GB31853@replic.net> <1149600753.5420.78.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> <20060606125857.GD31853@replic.net> Message-ID: <1149608095.5420.166.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 12:58 +0000, c wrote: > > (it isn't a ripoff of the vst logo) > yeah. http://www.lnt.de/~stepe/demo/VSTPlugin/pics/VST_logo.jpg . 3 characters, sounded by a rounded rect, and a shiny coating of some sort.. thats all the points of inflection I need.. you didn't say it had similar elements. you said i was going for a ripoff design. you were wrong and should expect to be called on it when you throw around language like that. perhaps you should think about the significance of what you say. if you did, you would understand why i'm annoyed. so, lets see: "3 characters" indeed there are 3 characters. would you have me put six in the logo instead? or, how many? and which letters should i choose now that the logo can no longer show the actual name of the plugin system that the logo is supposed to represent? "surrounded by a rounded rect" a surround is important in order to facilitate the inverted monochrome version (for display against a black background) in a manner consistent with the requisite variations. as the characters are written from left to right. (i'm not japanese or arabic and so it's natural to me to do it that way.. as did thorwil in each of his designs, i might add). if the fonts are of typical proportions then the footprint will be similar to any other LtR logo of three chars. a border or boundary would normally trace the outline of the text in some way. so, while the end result is not inevitable it's certainly not unusual or even inventive. it's just what you get when you need a border around a simple 3 letter sequence, written LtR. note also that these versions http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/logo-corporate-bling.png http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/render-plug-1-shrp.png _preceeded_ my final design and when i optimised out the superfluous detail, i ended up with what you now see. "and a shiny coating of some sort" now you are taking the piss. a logo with a reflective surface? heresy!!! in spite of the obvious fact the the vst logo features brushed metal and NOT glass as used in the detail version of my logo, you well know that the glass effect i used is the most over used effect in vector gfx ever. and certainly, the use of reflective surfaces is NOT the sole preserve of the vst logo designers anyway. basically, any similarities are born out of common considerations. within the above constraints, it would be difficult for it to be more dissimilar to the vst logo imo. (different colours, different fonts, asymmetrical layout, solid background, solid border, flat colour, no additional detail, glass not metal, combination of two fonts..) > the reason i prefer thorwils is the hand-crafted look instead of just a font (and 2 different incongruous fonts at that), > the 2 is too thin and hanging off a clif, and looks like its about to be replaced with a 3, then a 4. where as the 2 in the > other one is clearly there to stay (given the extensibility i'd hope this is the case), and is 'plugging in' to the rest of > the logo, without an obvious graphical plug as displayed in the VST logo the reason that you prefer thorwil's has little to do with accusing me of ripping off other peoples work. even after that, if your concerns spoke of anything other than personal preference i would still heed them. but they don't. so i won't. i can't please everyone and won't try to do so at the expense of my own opinions anyway. > id like to see thorwil's logo given the 4 panel treatment. since i definitely agree with everything in logo_variations.png except the typography itself.. if you think that it's a ripoff of the vst logo even though the layout, fonts and colours used are totally different then i fail to see how changing the text design again is going to change that. personally, i'm happy for one of thorwil's designs to be chosen. i only suggested the competition because i enjoy doing this kind of stuff but if i was also going to submit a logo, then why not anyone else? so yeah, thanks for accusing me of stealing other people's ideas, being manifestly unable to substantiate that claim and obliging me to waste time writing in defence of a project that i undertook for fun in the hopes of contributing to a linux audio project that i care about. have a nice day won't you c. pete. From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Tue Jun 6 11:01:22 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Tue Jun 6 11:01:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Guitar Software In-Reply-To: <86mzcq2zgw.fsf@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060605085004.GA1900@spma33> <1149516005.7069.7.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <86mzcq2zgw.fsf@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1149606082.7069.12.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Ok, apoligies for being quite so vague. I'll check those references -- many thanks for your patience! On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 09:19 -0400, Michal Seta wrote: > Jonty Needham writes: > > > Hi, > > > > After much googling I am unable to find a peice of software that will > > generate guitar lines. I need a midi synth of some form, but that will > > for example handle strumming as well as plucked chords, and sounds like > > an acoustic guitar. (which I can choose to or not to distort.) > > I think you are being very vague about what you are actually looking > for. For starters, take a look at http://linux-sound.org/guitar.html. > Otherwise, it seems to me that you're looking for a combination of > sequencer/sampler/effects processor (any of those ca be found in > various sections of the http://linux-sound.org website). > > ./MiS > -- Jonty Needham From b0ef at esben-stien.name Tue Jun 6 13:06:14 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Tue Jun 6 11:08:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Call for LV2 logo designs In-Reply-To: <1149608095.5420.166.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> (peter's message of "Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:34:54 +0100") References: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> <1149556811.8563.6.camel@DaveLap> <20060606023555.GB31853@replic.net> <1149600753.5420.78.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> <20060606125857.GD31853@replic.net> <1149608095.5420.166.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <877j3ugqnt.fsf@esben-stien.name> peter writes: > http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/render-plug-1-shrp.png This one gave me an idea. How about the outer edge is a piece of a puzzle?. You know; plugin;) It would be uniquely distinct with a small SVG size. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Tue Jun 6 11:10:23 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Tue Jun 6 11:25:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime Audio + Networking Message-ID: <20060606151023.GA18288@jdboyd.zill.net> I have a realtime audio/video system that almost works fine. I'm not too terribly concered with latency, so I'm using 400 samples of buffering both in and out. For the most part it all works. System load is about 1.5 according to top, and the 3 processes of my system list approximately 75% combined CPU usage. However, I need the system to be network connected. I need it to have sshd, snmpd, and some web server (not yet decided upon) running. When I turn them on, any network traffic to either service causes glitches in the audio, and possibly lost video frames. I am using Linux 2.6.12 plus bigphysarea patch. I'm using a custom non-Alsa sound card driver (when I started, I needed all of the AES metadata, but I no longer do. At this point it is too late for me to convert to using alsa though). I can provide my kernel .config file if that would help. I have CONFIG_PREEMPT and CONFIG_PREEMPT_BKL on. My application runs with SCHED_FIFO and has an elevated priority, but not realtime priority. When I tried setting it to realtime priority it grinds the networking, control panel, and VGA display applications to a halt. If I set the audio driver to loop back, the network never interupts it. It would be difficult to move the entire audio portion of my system into a kernel module though. I've been watching for awhile and haven't seen to much about how to fix this. Meanwhile, I've been tangling with this for months. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk Tue Jun 6 12:36:45 2006 From: zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk (peter) Date: Tue Jun 6 11:37:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Call for LV2 logo designs In-Reply-To: <877j3ugqnt.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> <1149556811.8563.6.camel@DaveLap> <20060606023555.GB31853@replic.net> <1149600753.5420.78.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> <20060606125857.GD31853@replic.net> <1149608095.5420.166.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> <877j3ugqnt.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <1149611805.5420.190.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 19:06 +0200, Esben Stien wrote: > peter writes: > > > http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/render-plug-1-shrp.png > > This one gave me an idea. > > How about the outer edge is a piece of a puzzle?. You know; plugin;) > > It would be uniquely distinct with a small SVG size. > i like it. you might have to kill Steve to get it passed though. (i don't think he's keen on extraneous detail else i would have submitted those too) ;) pete. From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Tue Jun 6 11:30:08 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Tue Jun 6 11:39:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Call for LV2 logo designs In-Reply-To: <1149608095.5420.166.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> References: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> <1149556811.8563.6.camel@DaveLap> <20060606023555.GB31853@replic.net> <1149600753.5420.78.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> <20060606125857.GD31853@replic.net> <1149608095.5420.166.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <1149607808.17739.3.camel@eviltwin> On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 16:34 +0100, peter wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 12:58 +0000, c wrote: > > > (it isn't a ripoff of the vst logo) > > yeah. http://www.lnt.de/~stepe/demo/VSTPlugin/pics/VST_logo.jpg . 3 characters, sounded by a rounded rect, and a shiny coating of some sort.. thats all the points of inflection I need.. > > you didn't say it had similar elements. you said i was going for a > ripoff design. you were wrong and should expect to be called on it when > you throw around language like that. perhaps you should think about > the significance of what you say. if you did, you would understand > why i'm annoyed. > > so, lets see: > > "3 characters" > indeed there are 3 characters. would you have me put six in the > logo instead? or, how many? and which letters should i choose now that > the logo can no longer show the actual name of the plugin system that > the logo is supposed to represent? > > "surrounded by a rounded rect" > a surround is important in order to facilitate the inverted monochrome > version (for display against a black background) in a manner consistent > with the requisite variations. > as the characters are written from left to right. (i'm not japanese or > arabic and so it's natural to me to do it that way.. as did > thorwil in each of his designs, i might add). if the fonts are of > typical proportions then the footprint will be similar to any other LtR > logo of three chars. a border or boundary would normally trace the > outline of the text in some way. so, while the end result is not > inevitable it's certainly not unusual or even inventive. it's just what > you get when you need a border around a simple 3 letter sequence, > written LtR. > I don't see a whole hell of a lot of similarity between your logos and the VST logo. I like your logos better than thorwils. That being said I think I like this one the best: > http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/render-plug-1-shrp.png > The others are cool too, though. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Tue Jun 6 11:29:44 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Tue Jun 6 11:44:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: nifty gizmo In-Reply-To: <20060602191630.GH28773@fliwatut.scifi> References: <1149169539.7503.6.camel@localhost> <20060602191630.GH28773@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060606152944.GB18288@jdboyd.zill.net> On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 09:16:31PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > You're not only getting the readymade board, but also full source > code, which is way more than e.g. M-Audio provides. And with buying > the unit, you also support the developement of the source code as free > software. Plus: It's probably a very small run with not a big number > of units produced. >From pictures of the Maker Faire, it looks like the buttons are custom made as well, and that the PCB is huge. Add those two items onto it being a small run device, and that even more explains the price. I'm aware of some off the shelf buttons that have a LED in them. However, it an exposed LED, not something that makes the entire button glow nicely, and these off the shelf buttons have a fairly cheap feel to them. If anyone cared for building their own cheaper knock offs, I could ask the hardware engineers what those buttons are. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jun 6 13:39:31 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jun 6 13:39:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime Audio + Networking In-Reply-To: <20060606151023.GA18288@jdboyd.zill.net> References: <20060606151023.GA18288@jdboyd.zill.net> Message-ID: <1149615571.4072.21.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:10 -0400, Joshua Boyd wrote: > I have CONFIG_PREEMPT and CONFIG_PREEMPT_BKL on. My application runs > with SCHED_FIFO and has an elevated priority, but not realtime > priority. When I tried setting it to realtime priority it grinds the > networking, control panel, and VGA display applications to a halt. Uhhh, SCHED_FIFO and "realtime priority" are the same thing. Can you be more specific? Lee From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Tue Jun 6 14:31:40 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Tue Jun 6 14:46:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime Audio + Networking In-Reply-To: <1149615571.4072.21.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060606151023.GA18288@jdboyd.zill.net> <1149615571.4072.21.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060606183140.GC18288@jdboyd.zill.net> On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 01:39:31PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:10 -0400, Joshua Boyd wrote: > > I have CONFIG_PREEMPT and CONFIG_PREEMPT_BKL on. My application runs > > with SCHED_FIFO and has an elevated priority, but not realtime > > priority. When I tried setting it to realtime priority it grinds the > > networking, control panel, and VGA display applications to a halt. > > Uhhh, SCHED_FIFO and "realtime priority" are the same thing. > > Can you be more specific? setpriority(PRIO_PROCESS, 0, -20); I was under the impression that that set priority to a "realtime" priority, although rereading the man page I don't see any specific correlation listed between -20 and realtime. I also do: sched_setscheduler(0, SCHED_FIFO, &sp); When I do the setpriority to -20, basically everything other than the main application grinds to a halt. If I use -10 instead, other programs work fine, but networking is then allowed to interfere with the main program. Is this specific enough? I also should probably have mentioned that my application (actually three programs on one box) is heavily threaded. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From lars.luthman at gmail.com Tue Jun 6 14:51:13 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Tue Jun 6 15:06:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime Audio + Networking In-Reply-To: <20060606183140.GC18288@jdboyd.zill.net> References: <20060606151023.GA18288@jdboyd.zill.net> <1149615571.4072.21.camel@mindpipe> <20060606183140.GC18288@jdboyd.zill.net> Message-ID: <1149619873.8903.1.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 14:31 -0400, Joshua Boyd wrote: > On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 01:39:31PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:10 -0400, Joshua Boyd wrote: > > > I have CONFIG_PREEMPT and CONFIG_PREEMPT_BKL on. My application runs > > > with SCHED_FIFO and has an elevated priority, but not realtime > > > priority. When I tried setting it to realtime priority it grinds the > > > networking, control panel, and VGA display applications to a halt. > > > > Uhhh, SCHED_FIFO and "realtime priority" are the same thing. > > > > Can you be more specific? > > setpriority(PRIO_PROCESS, 0, -20); > > I was under the impression that that set priority to a "realtime" > priority, although rereading the man page I don't see any specific > correlation listed between -20 and realtime. > > I also do: sched_setscheduler(0, SCHED_FIFO, &sp); > > When I do the setpriority to -20, basically everything other than the > main application grinds to a halt. If I use -10 instead, other programs > work fine, but networking is then allowed to interfere with the main > program. Just checking - is the SCHED_FIFO thread ever yielding the CPU? Or is it just running a loop without ever sleeping or waiting for some lock? -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I really like to play with it and love the sounds, but it seems that it's not in the same tune than other soft synths. Tuning the synths via gui does not solve the problem. Nick? My audigy uses samplerate of 48khz, if that helps to answer. Thanks -- ----------------------- http://www.emvg.net/esa http://www.emvg.net ----------------------- From zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk Tue Jun 6 18:48:37 2006 From: zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk (peter) Date: Tue Jun 6 17:49:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Call for LV2 logo designs In-Reply-To: <20060606200034.GA29871@charly.SWORD> References: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> <20060606200034.GA29871@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <1149634118.6192.11.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 22:00 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 12:40:03AM +0100, peter wrote: > > > http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/logo_variations.png > > So I added colour and shading and here's a table with > all the stuff, including Peter's: > http://affenbande.org/~thorwil/wordpress/2006/06/06/lv2-7/ dammit Thorsten, you didn't indicate which are mine. now all that money i gave out in bribes was wasted... *ahem* but clearly, having all the chars share one surface is bad for legibility but, having tried separating the chars myself, i just didn't like it. still don't. style over substance? i do still like the design in 2[A,B,C] though. just not with a border for some reason. i guess you're not hating on the colour scheme tho eh =P cheers, pete. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Tue Jun 6 19:02:58 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue Jun 6 19:03:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire audio in CME UF5 and linux Message-ID: <448609A2.5010305@gmail.com> Hi I though about getting the CME UF5 (http://www.cme-pro.com/products-list/product-uf.html). Anyone knows if the firewire audio option for these work (and if so, to what degree) with linux? Slightly related: What breath controller will work with these models (not linux related, just threw that on in in case someone knew)? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Tue Jun 6 19:14:39 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Tue Jun 6 19:29:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime Audio + Networking In-Reply-To: <1149619873.8903.1.camel@localhost> References: <20060606151023.GA18288@jdboyd.zill.net> <1149615571.4072.21.camel@mindpipe> <20060606183140.GC18288@jdboyd.zill.net> <1149619873.8903.1.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20060606231439.GG18288@jdboyd.zill.net> On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 08:51:13PM +0200, Lars Luthman wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 14:31 -0400, Joshua Boyd wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 01:39:31PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:10 -0400, Joshua Boyd wrote: > > > > I have CONFIG_PREEMPT and CONFIG_PREEMPT_BKL on. My application runs > > > > with SCHED_FIFO and has an elevated priority, but not realtime > > > > priority. When I tried setting it to realtime priority it grinds the > > > > networking, control panel, and VGA display applications to a halt. > > > > > > Uhhh, SCHED_FIFO and "realtime priority" are the same thing. > > > > > > Can you be more specific? > > > > setpriority(PRIO_PROCESS, 0, -20); > > > > I was under the impression that that set priority to a "realtime" > > priority, although rereading the man page I don't see any specific > > correlation listed between -20 and realtime. > > > > I also do: sched_setscheduler(0, SCHED_FIFO, &sp); > > > > When I do the setpriority to -20, basically everything other than the > > main application grinds to a halt. If I use -10 instead, other programs > > work fine, but networking is then allowed to interfere with the main > > program. > > Just checking - is the SCHED_FIFO thread ever yielding the CPU? Or is it > just running a loop without ever sleeping or waiting for some lock? Every thread in the process (since as I understand it, every thread in the process is being set to sched_fifo) blocks on something. The video thread blocks on the video card, the audio thread on the audio card, and most other threads block on pthread_cond_waits (one house keeping thread blocks on sleeps). From rfs at worfs.com Wed Jun 7 00:36:48 2006 From: rfs at worfs.com (Robert F. Scheer) Date: Wed Jun 7 00:36:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to get around PID attached to jackd clients? Message-ID: <448657E0.9000509@worfs.com> On my Ubuntu Dapper system, I'm having trouble with jack clients such as xmms and jack-rack showing up in the list of clients with their PID (process ID) attached to their app-names. My convolver program BruteFIR expects the clients to have fixed names. Easy fix or workaround for this? From jordan at jdnash.org Wed Jun 7 01:08:34 2006 From: jordan at jdnash.org (Jordan Nash) Date: Wed Jun 7 01:08:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux Message-ID: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> According to the May 2006 edition of Pro Audio Review (Page 12, Column 1, Paragraph 3), the Midas XL8 Digital Console uses Linux: "Like many other devices these days, the XL8 is built on a Linux platform, which has proven to be both stable and secure, compared to other common operating systems." I just thought that it was a bit interesting. Anyone want to take bets on how long it will be before DigiDesign switches over? ;-) Links related to this: http://proaudioreview.com/ http://www.midasconsoles.com/xl8.html -Jordan From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jun 7 01:32:34 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jun 7 01:32:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> Message-ID: <1149658355.13830.22.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 01:08 -0400, Jordan Nash wrote: > According to the May 2006 edition of Pro Audio Review (Page 12, Column > 1, Paragraph 3), the Midas XL8 Digital Console uses Linux: "Like many > other devices these days, the XL8 is built on a Linux platform, which > has proven to be both stable and secure, compared to other common > operating systems." > Any idea what audio interface it uses and where the source code can be downloaded? > I just thought that it was a bit interesting. Anyone want to take bets > on how long it will be before DigiDesign switches over? ;-) > That would be great, it would require them to open source their drivers. Lee From julien at c-lab.de Wed Jun 7 03:04:48 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed Jun 7 03:05:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to get around PID attached to jackd clients? In-Reply-To: <448657E0.9000509@worfs.com> References: <448657E0.9000509@worfs.com> Message-ID: Hi! I don't exactly know, how brutefir works. But I think there might be an option to tell it about the name of the client to connect to. There you can just enter something like: xmms_1359 (or whatever) Another option could be, have a look if xmms or jack-rack have an option to specify the cleint-name, there choose something without the PID. In the gui-based programs perhaps there might also be a menu-item somewhere. My guess would be, if it's there, then it will be in some config-dialog. HTH. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From mista.tapas at gmx.net Wed Jun 7 04:12:46 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Wed Jun 7 04:12:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime Audio + Networking In-Reply-To: <1149615571.4072.21.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060606151023.GA18288@jdboyd.zill.net> <1149615571.4072.21.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060607101246.5ffa434d@mango.fruits> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:39:31 -0400 Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:10 -0400, Joshua Boyd wrote: > > I have CONFIG_PREEMPT and CONFIG_PREEMPT_BKL on. My application runs > > with SCHED_FIFO and has an elevated priority, but not realtime > > priority. When I tried setting it to realtime priority it grinds the > > networking, control panel, and VGA display applications to a halt. > > Uhhh, SCHED_FIFO and "realtime priority" are the same thing. > > Can you be more specific? Don't some people refer to the maximum static SCHED_FIFO prio as "realtime priority". What was it again 99? or 100? Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From pieterp at joow.be Wed Jun 7 05:08:24 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Wed Jun 7 05:08:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire audio in CME UF5 and linux In-Reply-To: <448609A2.5010305@gmail.com> References: <448609A2.5010305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44869788.4030804@joow.be> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I though about getting the CME UF5 > (http://www.cme-pro.com/products-list/product-uf.html). Anyone knows > if the firewire audio option for these work (and if so, to what > degree) with linux? The CME UF-400e expansion board has been reported to work with the FreeBob code. http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Supported_Devices I think this is the expansion board they use for adding firewire to the UF's. Greets, Pieter Palmers FreeBob developer From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 00:37:41 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Wed Jun 7 05:32:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ANN] =?iso-8859-1?q?No=09More=09Specimen?= In-Reply-To: <4447C422.2000007@zhevny.com> References: <1140401605.16545.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060420163034.GF9579@slinkp.com> <4447C422.2000007@zhevny.com> Message-ID: <200606070637.42002.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El Jueves, 20 de Abril de 2006 19:25, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki escribi?: > conference. In the meantime, there is a copy of 0.5.1 available here: > ? > > http://zhevny.com/specimen/files/ > ? And here ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/sources049/s/ -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * Descarga el CD de Musix: (www.musix.org.ar) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 05:52:49 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Jun 7 05:52:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire audio in CME UF5 and linux In-Reply-To: <44869788.4030804@joow.be> References: <448609A2.5010305@gmail.com> <44869788.4030804@joow.be> Message-ID: <4486A1F1.4000002@gmail.com> Pieter Palmers wrote: > The CME UF-400e expansion board has been reported to work with the > FreeBob code. > http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Supported_Devices > > I think this is the expansion board they use for adding firewire to the > UF's. Ok, thanks. I'll try and ask on the freebob list... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Wed Jun 7 05:50:14 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Wed Jun 7 05:59:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149658355.13830.22.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149658355.13830.22.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1149673814.1455.1.camel@eviltwin> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 01:32 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 01:08 -0400, Jordan Nash wrote: > > According to the May 2006 edition of Pro Audio Review (Page 12, Column > > 1, Paragraph 3), the Midas XL8 Digital Console uses Linux: "Like many > > other devices these days, the XL8 is built on a Linux platform, which > > has proven to be both stable and secure, compared to other common > > operating systems." > > > > Any idea what audio interface it uses and where the source code can be > downloaded? > > > I just thought that it was a bit interesting. Anyone want to take bets > > on how long it will be before DigiDesign switches over? ;-) > > > > That would be great, it would require them to open source their drivers. > Why do you assume this? There are plenty of closed-source applications and drivers running on top of Linux. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Jun 7 07:52:57 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Jun 7 07:53:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Apogee Ensemble / Freebob In-Reply-To: <4484AC46.30409@joow.be> References: <4484AC46.30409@joow.be> Message-ID: Thanks, Pieter. And thanks for developing FreeBoB. Carlo Pieter Palmers wrote: > Carlo Capocasa wrote: >> Hi! >> >> What's the status of the Apogee Ensemble with Freebob? >> > > > The product page says: > "FireWire 400 I/O, compatible with OS X Core Audio (no driver required)" > As far as I know, this 'no driver required' on OSX is a feature of the > BeBoB based solutions (only?). > > We had positive reports for the AD-16X and the DA-16X with FreeBoB, and > the product page indicates that they use the same control panel for all > of these products. > > All circumstantial evidence of course, but I would expect it to be > usable with FreeBob. I haven't tried one yet though. > > You can always ask their customer department if the Ensembe is BeBoB > based. Or direct this to the FreeBoB-devel mailing list, I'm not sure > everyone there is watching this list. > > Greets, > > Pieter Palmers > FreeBoB developer > From t_w_ at freenet.de Wed Jun 7 08:10:24 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Wed Jun 7 08:10:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Call for LV2 logo designs In-Reply-To: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> References: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060607121023.GA7330@charly.SWORD> Here we go again: http://affenbande.org/~thorwil/wordpress/2006/06/07/lv2-8/ -- Thorsten Wilms From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Jun 7 08:53:53 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Jun 7 08:53:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime Audio + Networking In-Reply-To: <20060606183140.GC18288@jdboyd.zill.net> References: <20060606151023.GA18288@jdboyd.zill.net> <1149615571.4072.21.camel@mindpipe> <20060606183140.GC18288@jdboyd.zill.net> Message-ID: <1149684833.12354.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 14:31 -0400, Joshua Boyd wrote: > setpriority(PRIO_PROCESS, 0, -20); > > I was under the impression that that set priority to a "realtime" > priority, although rereading the man page I don't see any specific > correlation listed between -20 and realtime. there is no relationship whatsoever. > I also do: sched_setscheduler(0, SCHED_FIFO, &sp); on POSIX-ish operating systems, there are two orthogonal aspects to scheduling: scheduling class and scheduling priority. priority only ranks different execution contexts (kernel threads) within the *same* scheduling class - it has no impact when a scheduling decision has to be made between two execution contexts in two different classes. put differently, you can leave yourself in SCHED_OTHER (the default class) and raise your priority to the maximum, but you will never ever be scheduled to run if there is a SCHED_FIFO thread ready to run even if its numerical priority is lower than yours. there is no reason to use setpriority() for realtime work: sched_setscheduler's parameter argument defines the priority. --p From zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk Wed Jun 7 10:43:05 2006 From: zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk (peter) Date: Wed Jun 7 09:43:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Call for LV2 logo designs In-Reply-To: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> References: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <1149691385.7770.2.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 00:40 +0100, peter wrote: > sorry about the new thread. i just subscribed. > > here's my entry for the logo comp: > http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/logo_variations.png > > sources can be found here > http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/LV2_logo_paugh.tar > Thorsten pointed out that the svg's didn't look like the rendered examples. this is probably due to the fonts i used. so rather than include those, i just converted them into paths. updated sources (svg files) here http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/LV2_logo_comp_paugh.tar pete. -- ====================== paugh on irc.freenode.org in #sweep, #lad kickback@users.sourceforge.net ====================== From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jun 7 11:49:48 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jun 7 11:53:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149673814.1455.1.camel@eviltwin> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149658355.13830.22.camel@mindpipe> <1149673814.1455.1.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <1149695389.13830.34.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 04:50 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 01:32 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 01:08 -0400, Jordan Nash wrote: > > > According to the May 2006 edition of Pro Audio Review (Page 12, Column > > > 1, Paragraph 3), the Midas XL8 Digital Console uses Linux: "Like many > > > other devices these days, the XL8 is built on a Linux platform, which > > > has proven to be both stable and secure, compared to other common > > > operating systems." > > > > > > > Any idea what audio interface it uses and where the source code can be > > downloaded? > > > > > I just thought that it was a bit interesting. Anyone want to take bets > > > on how long it will be before DigiDesign switches over? ;-) > > > > > > > That would be great, it would require them to open source their drivers. > > > > Why do you assume this? There are plenty of closed-source > applications and drivers running on top of Linux. > Closed source applications are perfectly OK. A closed source ALSA driver violates the GPL. Lee From rfs at worfs.com Wed Jun 7 13:40:16 2006 From: rfs at worfs.com (Robert F. Scheer) Date: Wed Jun 7 13:40:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to get around PID attached to jackd clients? Message-ID: <44870F80.1050803@worfs.com> I figured it out! Applications like xmms and jack-rack show up in the jack connection list with their PID's appended and this was a bit difficult to reconcile with brutefir, which wants the user to name the in's and out's in a config file. The solution was already built into brutefir and I just configured the qjackctl patchbay to recognize the ports and connect them properly. The brutefir config file should name it's inputs as follows: input 0, 1 { device: "jack" { ports: "", "";}; sample: "AUTO"; channels: 2;}; From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jun 7 14:14:03 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jun 7 14:14:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime Audio + Networking In-Reply-To: <20060607101246.5ffa434d@mango.fruits> References: <20060606151023.GA18288@jdboyd.zill.net> <1149615571.4072.21.camel@mindpipe> <20060607101246.5ffa434d@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <1149704043.14267.36.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 10:12 +0200, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:39:31 -0400 > Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:10 -0400, Joshua Boyd wrote: > > > I have CONFIG_PREEMPT and CONFIG_PREEMPT_BKL on. My application runs > > > with SCHED_FIFO and has an elevated priority, but not realtime > > > priority. When I tried setting it to realtime priority it grinds the > > > networking, control panel, and VGA display applications to a halt. > > > > Uhhh, SCHED_FIFO and "realtime priority" are the same thing. > > > > Can you be more specific? > > Don't some people refer to the maximum static SCHED_FIFO prio as > "realtime priority". That's an incorrect useage, those people are wrong ;-) > What was it again 99? or 100? 99. Lee From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Wed Jun 7 14:32:48 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Wed Jun 7 14:28:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tuning Bristol In-Reply-To: <4485E50B.1080200@kolumbus.fi> References: <4485E50B.1080200@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <44871BD0.309@kolumbus.fi> Esa Linna kirjoitti: > > My audigy uses samplerate of 48khz, if that helps to answer. With the help of Nick Copeland, the problem solved with the option "-rate 48000" -- ----------------------- http://www.emvg.net/esa http://www.emvg.net ----------------------- From tdhoward at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 16:09:54 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Wed Jun 7 16:10:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Kontakt 2 usable under Linux? Message-ID: Hello all, I'm interested in a Kontakt 2 sample library (the Stradivari by Garritan, see http://www.garritan.com/stradivari.html) which I think looks absolutely awesome. But there is a slight problem... I don't have Kontakt 2, and I'm not sure if this type of library can be used under Linux. Does anyone here have any experience using Kontakt 2 libraries under Linux? If so, how did you go about it? I'm not completely opposed to buying/using commercial software if necessary, but I would much prefer an open-source solution. Any suggestions? Thanks, -TimH From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Wed Jun 7 18:23:18 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Wed Jun 7 18:38:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime Audio + Networking In-Reply-To: <1149684833.12354.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060606151023.GA18288@jdboyd.zill.net> <1149615571.4072.21.camel@mindpipe> <20060606183140.GC18288@jdboyd.zill.net> <1149684833.12354.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060607222317.GA22329@jdboyd.zill.net> On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 08:53:53AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > on POSIX-ish operating systems, there are two orthogonal aspects to > scheduling: scheduling class and scheduling priority. priority only > ranks different execution contexts (kernel threads) within the *same* > scheduling class - it has no impact when a scheduling decision has to be > made between two execution contexts in two different classes. put > differently, you can leave yourself in SCHED_OTHER (the default class) > and raise your priority to the maximum, but you will never ever be > scheduled to run if there is a SCHED_FIFO thread ready to run even if > its numerical priority is lower than yours. > > there is no reason to use setpriority() for realtime work: > sched_setscheduler's parameter argument defines the priority. Well, my code is cleaner now at least then. From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Wed Jun 7 19:53:04 2006 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Wed Jun 7 19:53:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Kontakt 2 usable under Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <448766E0.3080003@sympatico.ca> Tim Howard wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm interested in a Kontakt 2 sample library (the Stradivari by > Garritan, see http://www.garritan.com/stradivari.html) which I think > looks absolutely awesome. But there is a slight problem... I don't > have Kontakt 2, and I'm not sure if this type of library can be used > under Linux. > > Does anyone here have any experience using Kontakt 2 libraries under > Linux? If so, how did you go about it? I'm not completely opposed to > buying/using commercial software if necessary, but I would much prefer > an open-source solution. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > -TimH > That's something the Linux-Audio world is missing so much... a decent sampler. All promising projects are stalled because of their developers not having time to continue. LinuxSampler is indeed very good... but you can't create your own programs (Kontakt or Halion style)... hopefully some developers will resuscitate Specimen or other dead project and take it to a higher level. Come on guys! :-) Peace, Hector. From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 20:11:50 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Jun 7 20:12:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Kontakt 2 usable under Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606071711q519c02ao931e8f91b366e4c6@mail.gmail.com> Geoff Beasley would be a great font of information in this area. I know he ran Kontakt quite a lot earlier. Seems the last I heard Kontakt 2 was buggy, but I could be wrong about that. Look up Geoff if he doesn't respond directly to this thread. cheers, Mark On 6/7/06, Tim Howard wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm interested in a Kontakt 2 sample library (the Stradivari by > Garritan, see http://www.garritan.com/stradivari.html) which I think > looks absolutely awesome. But there is a slight problem... I don't > have Kontakt 2, and I'm not sure if this type of library can be used > under Linux. > > Does anyone here have any experience using Kontakt 2 libraries under > Linux? If so, how did you go about it? I'm not completely opposed to > buying/using commercial software if necessary, but I would much prefer > an open-source solution. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > -TimH > From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Jun 7 20:49:07 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Jun 7 20:49:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Link: Extremely high quality free music In-Reply-To: <4470E29C.70306@linuxuse.de> References: <4470E29C.70306@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: Are you kidding me? This is some of the finest stuff on the planet! Well anyways as mentioned here this is stuff that cares about 'good free music more than what tools it was made with'. I mean this guy is not just talking about things, he is actually putting out extremely high quality music for an open source license and I guarantee this is stuff people want to hear. Carlo Hartmut Noack wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello > > Carlo Capocasa schrieb: > >> Some of these sounds simply brought me to other places... they even have >> a song called 'Mind Travel'. I can't say exactly in what way but >> listening to the stuff is enlightening. > > Well, the piece is pretty OKayish. good sound, tastfully chosen > bassriff... loaded another one called blurred thought - nice too, to me > this goes for feel-OK Ambientstuff - yet it is quite conventional too, > neither sound nor composition is something never heared before, though > the mix is highclass at a level, one heares not very often in free > downloadables. > > And another question aroused, when you browse chillheimer: > > "with Cubase SX and loads of software synthesizers and effects." > > so the fellow is nice and i agree with him, as he talks about > MusicIndustry but has nothing to do with free Audiosoft let alone with > Linux... > > Still: as i live in Berlin/germ also i will try to contact him and ask > him to test the Linux Audio Workstation, i am about to build....;-) > > bets regards > > Z > http://linuxuse.de/snd/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFEcOKc1Aecwva1SWMRAhcrAJ4k4vhL0VfTsIuKBwkp0AtEH133NACfSGVJ > kRRKPvfgVrmaq/mshvQU0X8= > =oy6V > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Wed Jun 7 20:47:37 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Wed Jun 7 20:56:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149695389.13830.34.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149658355.13830.22.camel@mindpipe> <1149673814.1455.1.camel@eviltwin> <1149695389.13830.34.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1149727657.6250.1.camel@eviltwin> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:49 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 04:50 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 01:32 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 01:08 -0400, Jordan Nash wrote: > > > > According to the May 2006 edition of Pro Audio Review (Page 12, Column > > > > 1, Paragraph 3), the Midas XL8 Digital Console uses Linux: "Like many > > > > other devices these days, the XL8 is built on a Linux platform, which > > > > has proven to be both stable and secure, compared to other common > > > > operating systems." > > > > > > > > > > Any idea what audio interface it uses and where the source code can be > > > downloaded? > > > > > > > I just thought that it was a bit interesting. Anyone want to take bets > > > > on how long it will be before DigiDesign switches over? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > That would be great, it would require them to open source their drivers. > > > > > > > Why do you assume this? There are plenty of closed-source > > applications and drivers running on top of Linux. > > > > Closed source applications are perfectly OK. A closed source ALSA > driver violates the GPL. > But... what if... they didn't use ALSA? It's been known to happen. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jun 7 21:27:43 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jun 7 21:29:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149727657.6250.1.camel@eviltwin> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149658355.13830.22.camel@mindpipe> <1149673814.1455.1.camel@eviltwin> <1149695389.13830.34.camel@mindpipe> <1149727657.6250.1.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <1149730064.3151.16.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 19:47 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:49 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 04:50 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 01:32 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 01:08 -0400, Jordan Nash wrote: > > > > > According to the May 2006 edition of Pro Audio Review (Page 12, Column > > > > > 1, Paragraph 3), the Midas XL8 Digital Console uses Linux: "Like many > > > > > other devices these days, the XL8 is built on a Linux platform, which > > > > > has proven to be both stable and secure, compared to other common > > > > > operating systems." > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any idea what audio interface it uses and where the source code can be > > > > downloaded? > > > > > > > > > I just thought that it was a bit interesting. Anyone want to take bets > > > > > on how long it will be before DigiDesign switches over? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > That would be great, it would require them to open source their drivers. > > > > > > > > > > Why do you assume this? There are plenty of closed-source > > > applications and drivers running on top of Linux. > > > > > > > Closed source applications are perfectly OK. A closed source ALSA > > driver violates the GPL. > > > > But... what if... they didn't use ALSA? It's been known to happen. > That's certainly possible. I guess we have no way to know until someone buys one and gets the sources ;-) You think there's a chance they used OSS? Do you know of any pro audio vendors who have done this? Lee From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Wed Jun 7 23:43:56 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Wed Jun 7 23:52:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149730064.3151.16.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149658355.13830.22.camel@mindpipe> <1149673814.1455.1.camel@eviltwin> <1149695389.13830.34.camel@mindpipe> <1149727657.6250.1.camel@eviltwin> <1149730064.3151.16.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1149738236.7464.12.camel@eviltwin> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 21:27 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 19:47 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:49 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 04:50 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 01:32 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 01:08 -0400, Jordan Nash wrote: > > > > > > According to the May 2006 edition of Pro Audio Review (Page 12, Column > > > > > > 1, Paragraph 3), the Midas XL8 Digital Console uses Linux: "Like many > > > > > > other devices these days, the XL8 is built on a Linux platform, which > > > > > > has proven to be both stable and secure, compared to other common > > > > > > operating systems." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any idea what audio interface it uses and where the source code can be > > > > > downloaded? > > > > > > > > > > > I just thought that it was a bit interesting. Anyone want to take bets > > > > > > on how long it will be before DigiDesign switches over? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That would be great, it would require them to open source their drivers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you assume this? There are plenty of closed-source > > > > applications and drivers running on top of Linux. > > > > > > > > > > Closed source applications are perfectly OK. A closed source ALSA > > > driver violates the GPL. > > > > > > > But... what if... they didn't use ALSA? It's been known to happen. > > > > That's certainly possible. I guess we have no way to know until someone > buys one and gets the sources ;-) > > You think there's a chance they used OSS? Do you know of any pro audio > vendors who have done this? > They may not have used OSS. It's possible that they wrote their own drivers for audio. Personally, I'm all in favor of anyone using Linux for audio in any form or fashion. Of course, I hope that they built upon the work that has been done before by the people involved in ALSA and JACK but I can be magnanimous about it. The best case scenario is that they open source everything they've been doing but I can live with closed packages on top of Linux as long as it promotes the use of Linux in audio as opposed to Micro$oft. We both know that Linux is a far superior solution for audio, the more the "unwashed masses" see Linux as "the" solution for audio the closer we are to unseating the reigning king (HA) of operating systems. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" and, trust me, there is no greater enemy to you and me and free software than Micro$oft. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jun 8 00:09:30 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jun 8 00:11:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149738236.7464.12.camel@eviltwin> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149658355.13830.22.camel@mindpipe> <1149673814.1455.1.camel@eviltwin> <1149695389.13830.34.camel@mindpipe> <1149727657.6250.1.camel@eviltwin> <1149730064.3151.16.camel@mindpipe> <1149738236.7464.12.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <1149739771.3151.25.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 22:43 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > They may not have used OSS. It's possible that they wrote their > own drivers for audio. Personally, I'm all in favor of anyone using > Linux for audio in any form or fashion. Of course, I hope that they > built upon the work that has been done before by the people involved > in ALSA and JACK but I can be magnanimous about it. The best case > scenario is that they open source everything they've been doing but I > can live with closed packages on top of Linux as long as it promotes > the use of Linux in audio as opposed to Micro$oft. We both know that > Linux is a far superior solution for audio, the more the "unwashed > masses" see Linux as "the" solution for audio the closer we are to > unseating the reigning king (HA) of operating systems. "The enemy of > my enemy is my friend" and, trust me, there is no greater enemy to you > and me and free software than Micro$oft. > Sure, I am not an ideologue - closed packages are acceptable in userspace. Drivers are part of the kernel however so closed drivers are a violation of the GPL. (Nvidia is probably legal because they use the same binary blob as the windows drivers so it is not a derived work of the kernel). But if they developed the drivers for this system, the GPL requires them to release the source. In case it was not clear, my original reply only referred to the driver source, they are under no obligation to open source anything else. Lee From fbar at footils.org Thu Jun 8 02:18:17 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Jun 8 02:18:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Kontakt 2 usable under Linux? In-Reply-To: <448766E0.3080003@sympatico.ca> References: <448766E0.3080003@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20060608061817.GA22777@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Hector Centeno-Garcia hat gesagt: // Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > That's something the Linux-Audio world is missing so much... a decent > sampler. All promising projects are stalled because of their developers > not having time to continue. Except fluidsynth. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Jun 8 04:35:19 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Thu Jun 8 04:35:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [PATCHES] LASH for jack-rack and specimen Message-ID: <20060608103519.3ca22335@mango.fruits> Hi, here's two patches, one for jack-rack-1.4.4 and one for the last specimen-devel tarball. jack-rack gets updated from ladcca to lash [which is basically a search and replace opertion] and has an xrun producing bug on shutdown fixed. specimen just gets a first version of lash support. Both patches are to be applied _after_ running configure as i have no idea on how to integrate the stuff into autotools (the tools of the devil). For specimen Peter Shorthose actually did update the configure.ac and sent me a patch for it, but on my box running ./bootstrap gives me an unusable configure script and consequently makefile. Anyways, here it is [You still need the specimen patch below, this one just updates configure.ac]: http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/configure.ac_lash.patch The jack patch needs to be run from the toplevel source dir with -p0 and the specimen patch from the src/ subdir of the srctree [with -p0, too]. Find them here: http://affenbande.org/~tapas/jack-rack-lash-shutdown2.diff http://affenbande.org/~tapas/specimen_lash.diff Have fun Flo P.S.: Anyone heard anything from Leslie Polzer [the new jack-rack maintainer]. I didn't get any answer from him. Also, did anyone take over specimen maintenance? Who is the new maintainer? -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From alban.peignier at free.fr Thu Jun 8 05:01:43 2006 From: alban.peignier at free.fr (Alban Peignier) Date: Thu Jun 8 05:02:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack.udp clips Message-ID: <1149757303.14622.101.camel@localhost> We have a rivendell workstation which sends sound to a streaming server via jack.udp. I'm finishing the setup of our new rivendell workstation. The jack system (jackd realtime with alsa driver with rivendell) is very robust. Building the nvidia kernel module doesn't disturb the sound output :o) Everything is fine except .. jack.udp. jack.udp is clipping on a simple desktop switch :'( When the system is a bit loaded, the streaming server receives a very disturbed sound. At the same moment, the alsa ouput or the jack.backup output (looping jack.record) are perfect. I tried various buffer size for jack.udp (from 4096 to 20000 ..). At 4096, I have a error message (UDP thread too slow). With bigger buffers, no message. I reniced jack.udp to -5, -10, -15 .. No changes .. Anyone experienced the same kind of problem ? -- Alban Peignier http://people.tryphon.org/~alban -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060608/56781f94/attachment.bin From ats at offog.org Thu Jun 8 05:52:22 2006 From: ats at offog.org (Adam Sampson) Date: Thu Jun 8 05:52:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [PATCHES] LASH for jack-rack and specimen In-Reply-To: <20060608103519.3ca22335@mango.fruits> (Florian Paul Schmidt's message of "Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:35:19 +0200") References: <20060608103519.3ca22335@mango.fruits> Message-ID: Florian Paul Schmidt writes: > P.S.: Anyone heard anything from Leslie Polzer [the new jack-rack > maintainer]. I didn't get any answer from him. I got mail from him yesterday about some jack-rack patches of mine, so he's certainly around, just busy. The latest prerelease of jack-rack already has LASH support (configure with --enable-lash), but I don't know if it's got the xrun problem fixed. -- Adam Sampson From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Jun 8 08:24:13 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Jun 8 08:25:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Any drummers out there? Message-ID: What's up guys! Looking for a good MIDI drummer to make some Free music. I've got seperate revenue streams set up so expect a percentage. If we work out we end up playing huge gigs together. Distribution here: http://carlocapocasa.com For a reference, I wanna do stuff that's inspired by stuff like Zapp & Roger, check 'Heartbreaker'. GTK-Gnutella *wink* *wink* Carlo PS: Oh yeah, I'll probably play an electric mandolin hooked up to ZynAddSubFX bass sounds. From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Thu Jun 8 10:00:53 2006 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Thu Jun 8 10:01:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Kontakt 2 usable under Linux? In-Reply-To: <20060608061817.GA22777@fliwatut.scifi> References: <448766E0.3080003@sympatico.ca> <20060608061817.GA22777@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <44882D95.9030009@sympatico.ca> Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Hector Centeno-Garcia hat gesagt: // Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > > >> That's something the Linux-Audio world is missing so much... a decent >> sampler. All promising projects are stalled because of their developers >> not having time to continue. >> > > Except fluidsynth. > > Ciao > Yes, you are right and sorry for not acknowledging Fluidsynth, but how does SF compare with GIG or Kontakt format? I have had always the idea that SF is limited but I might be wrong. Can you program switch keys and layer crossfades in SF? cheers! Hector. From fbar at footils.org Thu Jun 8 11:39:19 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Jun 8 11:39:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Kontakt 2 usable under Linux? In-Reply-To: <44882D95.9030009@sympatico.ca> References: <448766E0.3080003@sympatico.ca> <20060608061817.GA22777@fliwatut.scifi> <44882D95.9030009@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20060608153919.GD23636@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Hector Centeno-Garcia hat gesagt: // Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > Yes, you are right and sorry for not acknowledging Fluidsynth, but how > does SF compare with GIG or Kontakt format? I have had always the idea > that SF is limited but I might be wrong. Can you program switch keys and > layer crossfades in SF? I only use fluidsynth with readymade soundfonts sometimes, so I cannot say much about this. But Josh Green's Swami is an editor for soundfonts, you could look at its feature list, if these things are available. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From notmyprivateemail at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 11:39:48 2006 From: notmyprivateemail at gmail.com (Alex Polite) Date: Thu Jun 8 11:40:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Stretching with very high accuracy Message-ID: Hi there. I'm developing a little tool to automatically sync two audio recordings of the same event made with two different recorders. I've got the algorithms worked out and can correctly compute the drift and offset between the files in my test recording. The next step is to pad, stretch and mix the two files into one perfectly synced stereo file. The drift is very small. In my test recording the drift is only 53 milliseconds over the course of an hour. My stretch factor is 0.99998525762821 I've tried to stretch the file with sox: sox infile.wav outfile.wav stretch 0.99998525762821 When I try to line up the files in a ardour I realise that the stretch sox makes is hugely inaccurate. For testing purposes I tried to stretch an hourly long file (44.1kHz) by some 2000 samples, but the resulting file was some 30000 samples longer. The stretch was off by more than 0.5 seconds! Is there anything I can do to increase the accuracy of sox? Is there any other tool out there that will do a better job at stretching with very high accuracy? alex -- Alex Polite http://flosspick.org - finding the right open source From ivalladolidt at terra.es Thu Jun 8 11:42:42 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Jun 8 11:42:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Kontakt 2 usable under Linux? In-Reply-To: <44882D95.9030009@sympatico.ca> References: <448766E0.3080003@sympatico.ca> <20060608061817.GA22777@fliwatut.scifi> <44882D95.9030009@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20060608154242.GA2536@spma33> Hector Centeno-Garcia escribe: > Yes, you are right and sorry for not acknowledging Fluidsynth, but how > does SF compare with GIG or Kontakt format? I have had always the idea > that SF is limited but I might be wrong. Can you program switch keys and > layer crossfades in SF? The point of Gigasampler was to be able to stream samples from hard disk, not needing to store all of an instrument sounds into memory at a time. This allowed setting up programs hundreds of MB each, something imposible using hardware samplers (let's include here Sound Blaster cards supporting SF2.) But I guess that telling SF2 limiting is something like telling Akai or E-mu sampler presets format limiting, this is, far from being true. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 11:59:13 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Jun 8 11:59:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Stretching with very high accuracy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70a871c80606080859s622c6239p27cfc2dedaa23a21@mail.gmail.com> > The drift is very small. In my test recording the drift is only 53 > milliseconds over the course of an hour. My stretch factor is > 0.99998525762821 I'd tried to drop some samples in this case. Not by a large chunk, but one by one periodically. Yes, it's not correct but it may work out if you carefully choose when to drop (for example, in silence). From notmyprivateemail at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 15:07:48 2006 From: notmyprivateemail at gmail.com (Alex Polite) Date: Thu Jun 8 15:07:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Stretching with very high accuracy In-Reply-To: <70a871c80606080859s622c6239p27cfc2dedaa23a21@mail.gmail.com> References: <70a871c80606080859s622c6239p27cfc2dedaa23a21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/8/06, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > I'd tried to drop some samples in this case. Not by a large chunk, but > one by one periodically. > Yes, it's not correct but it may work out if you carefully choose when > to drop (for example, in silence). Yes, I've thought of this approach. What would be a good tool or library to do that with? It would need to be something that can work on the audio files without reading the whole files into memory first. These files are very large. alex -- Alex Polite http://flosspick.org - finding the right open source From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 15:50:38 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Jun 8 15:50:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Stretching with very high accuracy In-Reply-To: References: <70a871c80606080859s622c6239p27cfc2dedaa23a21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80606081250g70943435jb40bfcb9efa15974@mail.gmail.com> > Yes, I've thought of this approach. What would be a good tool or I know only libsndfile + C (or whatever) From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Thu Jun 8 16:32:54 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Petter_Sundl=F6f?=) Date: Thu Jun 8 16:33:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Stereo compressor that reports latency? Message-ID: <44888976.1030108@findus.dhs.org> Is anyone here aware of a stereo compressor plugin (LADSPA) suitable for drums and/or bass that reports latency? I've been using SC4, but realized it adds latency and does not report it! :/ So my mix is basically held back by this... I can hear the delay, it's definitely there. So, not having to resort to using an artificial latency plugin would be nice. Cheers. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jun 8 16:49:42 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jun 8 16:50:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New RT testing tool Message-ID: <1149799783.3894.77.camel@mindpipe> Someone just posted this to LKML, it looks interesting: A README describing the rt-exec can be found at ftp://ftp.compro.net/public/rt-exec/README It can be downloaded from ftp://ftp.compro.net/public/rt-exec/rt-exec-1.0.0.tar.bz2 Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 17:06:40 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Jun 8 17:06:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New RT testing tool In-Reply-To: <1149799783.3894.77.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149799783.3894.77.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606081406v35973f9bh64e6a09b3ade213a@mail.gmail.com> For kicks I grabbed it and tried to build it but failed: /usr/bin/gcc -c -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -g3 -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -I. -I../include/linux/ -I../include -DSMR -DLOCKYES -DHAVE_HRT -I/usr/local/include attachp.c attachp.c: In function `attachp': attachp.c:75: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size /usr/bin/gcc -c -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -g3 -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -I. -I../include/linux/ -I../include -DSMR -DLOCKYES -DHAVE_HRT -I/usr/local/include thread.c /usr/bin/gcc -o task1 -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -g3 -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -I. -I../include/linux/ -I../include -DSMR -DLOCKYES -DHAVE_HRT -I/usr/local/include task1.c period.o account.o work.o attachp.o thread.o -L../library -L/usr/local/lib -lposix-time -lncurses -lpthread task1.c:52:24: posix_time.h: No such file or directory task1.c: In function `main': task1.c:296: warning: implicit declaration of function `clock_nanosleep' make: *** [task1] Error 1 mark@lightning ~/CODE/rt-exec $ After reading the README I changed HAVE_HRT to 0 and it built. Now, should I rebuild my AMD64-rt kernel to use high resolution timers? I'll try running the app later. Cheers, Mark On 6/8/06, Lee Revell wrote: > Someone just posted this to LKML, it looks interesting: > > A README describing the rt-exec can be found at > ftp://ftp.compro.net/public/rt-exec/README > > It can be downloaded from > ftp://ftp.compro.net/public/rt-exec/rt-exec-1.0.0.tar.bz2 > > Lee > > From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Thu Jun 8 17:15:03 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Thu Jun 8 17:15:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Stretching with very high accuracy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If the two files are both mono and you want to make them stereo then judicious sample insertion will probably work reasonably well. If they are both stereo then you need to look further into resampling since you may not be able to insert samples at the same point in each of the respective channels, and excessive insertion into one channel will introduce skew into an otherwise synchronous pair of channels. What is the format of the files? Raw audio, WAV, etc? What is the rough content - if the signal is constant than sample insertion is not easy since you may not have periods of silence. If the signal does have silent periods then the solution may be a noise gate that inserts samples - this would be all but inaudible. There is no reason why this should not work from file to file with 'cat oldfile | > newfile so should not need to have the lot in memory. Have you mailed the LAD list - somebody might be happy to bolt something together for you, its not actually a lot of work for mono tracks. Regards. >From: "Alex Polite" >Reply-To: A list for linux audio users > >To: "A list for linux audio users" >Subject: [linux-audio-user] Stretching with very high accuracy >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:39:48 +0200 > >Hi there. > >I'm developing a little tool to automatically sync two audio >recordings of the same event made with two different recorders. I've >got the algorithms worked out and can correctly compute the drift and >offset between the files in my test recording. The next step is to >pad, stretch and mix the two files into one perfectly synced stereo >file. > >The drift is very small. In my test recording the drift is only 53 >milliseconds over the course of an hour. My stretch factor is >0.99998525762821 > >I've tried to stretch the file with sox: > >sox infile.wav outfile.wav stretch 0.99998525762821 > >When I try to line up the files in a ardour I realise that the stretch >sox makes is hugely inaccurate. >For testing purposes I tried to stretch an hourly long file (44.1kHz) >by some 2000 samples, but the resulting file was some 30000 samples >longer. The stretch was off by more than 0.5 seconds! > >Is there anything I can do to increase the accuracy of sox? Is there >any other tool out there that will do a better job at stretching with >very high accuracy? > >alex > > >-- >Alex Polite >http://flosspick.org - finding the right open source _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Jun 8 17:42:36 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Jun 8 17:42:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Stretching with very high accuracy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060608214236.GA16582@slinkp.com> On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 11:15:03PM +0200, Nick Copeland wrote: > What is the format of the files? Raw audio, WAV, etc? What is the rough > content - if the signal is constant than sample insertion is not easy since > you may not have periods of silence. If the signal does have silent periods > then the solution may be a noise gate that inserts samples - this would be > all but inaudible. There is no reason why this should not work from file to > file with 'cat oldfile | > newfile so should not need to have the > lot in memory. Given the very small amount of drift (53 ms / hour), we're talking about inserting maybe 1 sample per 30000. I submit that nobody will notice if you just insert a copy of an adjacent sample, and if you want better than that, interpolation between two adjacent samples would be even smoother. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Thu Jun 8 18:18:28 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Thu Jun 8 18:18:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Stretching with very high accuracy In-Reply-To: <20060608214236.GA16582@slinkp.com> Message-ID: >From: Paul Winkler >Reply-To: A list for linux audio users > >To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu >Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Stretching with very high accuracy >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:42:36 -0400 > >On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 11:15:03PM +0200, Nick Copeland wrote: > > What is the format of the files? Raw audio, WAV, etc? What is the rough > > content - if the signal is constant than sample insertion is not easy >since > > you may not have periods of silence. If the signal does have silent >periods > > then the solution may be a noise gate that inserts samples - this would >be > > all but inaudible. There is no reason why this should not work from file >to > > file with 'cat oldfile | > newfile so should not need to have >the > > lot in memory. > >Given the very small amount of drift (53 ms / hour), we're talking about >inserting maybe 1 sample per 30000. I submit that nobody will notice >if you just insert a copy of an adjacent sample, and if you >want better than that, interpolation between two adjacent >samples would be even smoother. > You dont think that there may be issues with sample insertion at regular locations? They can become noticable as they are cyclic - I tried it with SLab, and for a while with bristol before deciding it needed resampling. Perhaps going half way would be to duplicate a sample at zero crossing rather than during silence. This would be a little more random and hence less noticable. Perhaps somebody should just fix sox - its such a cool tool that a fix might be in order. Is it still maintained? I also thinks sox had a few different options for resampling (binary/quadrature?), perhaps it just needs a different option for the algorithm? Nick _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 19:27:09 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Jun 8 19:27:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Any drummers out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/8/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > What's up guys! > > Looking for a good MIDI drummer to make some Free music. I've got > seperate revenue streams set up so expect a percentage. If we work out > we end up playing huge gigs together. Distribution here: > > http://carlocapocasa.com > > For a reference, I wanna do stuff that's inspired by stuff like Zapp & > Roger, check 'Heartbreaker'. > > GTK-Gnutella *wink* *wink* > > Carlo > > PS: Oh yeah, I'll probably play an electric mandolin hooked up to > ZynAddSubFX bass sounds. > > I'm sure about 10 of the LADers can help out as guest drummers/percussionists. If you need any hand drum stuff i'll help. Loki From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 8 21:34:52 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Thu Jun 8 21:35:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] streaming dvd audio over wlan In-Reply-To: <20060606023216.GA31853@replic.net> References: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> <4484D545.3000302@sbcglobal.net> <20060606023216.GA31853@replic.net> Message-ID: <4488D03C.5070502@sbcglobal.net> c wrote: >On Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 08:07:17PM -0500, Brian Dunn wrote: > > >>Hi fellas. >>I need some suggestions as to the best way to play audio from a dvd in my laptop on my desktop ( which is connected to my serious stereo ). >> >>the goal here is to be able to sit back on my couch and watch a movie on the laptop, but with my jawesome stereo for sound rather than the >>pipsqueak built in speakers. >> >>The network is 802.11b, which i'm thinking won't have the bandwidth to handle netjack. Should I set up an mp3 or ogg vorbis stream server on my >>laptop that i can then tune in on the desktop? if so, how do i handle syncronizing the sound on the desktop with the image on the laptop? >> >> > >2 ideas come to mind. they both involve mplayer.. > - start playback on both at once, with a pair of xterms, a python script, ssh, whatever. one with -noaudio and one with -novideo > - on the video machine, run jackd, ices-jack (in the 'kh' branch of their SVN last i checked), and mplayer -ao jack (set mplayer to autoconnect to ices, with jack.plumbing or qjackctl). on the server, run icecast, and mplayer http://localhost:8000/.ogg. the audio delay should be fairly consistent so you can fix it with either an audio predelay or a video delay argument to mplayer.. > >might also want to check out NMM, its designed for this purpose. i just tend to find these other progs never play nearly as much stuff as mplayer.. > > > > >>I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of cool ideas you all may have. >> >>Brian >> >> >> > > > The ices idea works great. the delay is between 3 and 7 seconds, and seems to vary randomly. A couple of things for anyone else wanting to do this: the ices-jack in the kh svn was broken when i tried this. the tarballs for libshout and ices at karl.mediacast1.com work well. also, mplayer on the video machine dropped the audio signal with a "too many frames in the buffer" error whenever the delay was adjusted to greater than 8 seconds. I fixed this by playing the stream on the audio machine with the -cache 32 option, and also by disabling the burst on connect option for the icecast server. Now is there any way to get dvd menus in mplayer? or if not, how can i figure out which track is the movie on a rented dvd? half the time the first track is some trailer, or a special feature, or something. Also, is jack realy required in this situation, or could i set up a dummy pcm channel in alsa to send the audio to from mplayer and to read it from in ices? (asoundrc?) one last thing, c. I noticed that mplayer natively supports the network audio system. So you don't have to use their limeted player to take advantage of the networkness. Not that i know from personal experience, or anything, but that is what it looks like. thanks, Brian From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jun 8 21:41:51 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jun 8 21:43:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] streaming dvd audio over wlan In-Reply-To: <4488D03C.5070502@sbcglobal.net> References: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> <4484D545.3000302@sbcglobal.net> <20060606023216.GA31853@replic.net> <4488D03C.5070502@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1149817312.3894.131.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 20:34 -0500, Brian Dunn wrote: > Also, is jack realy required in this situation, or could i set up a > dummy pcm channel in alsa to send the audio to from mplayer and to > read > it from in ices? (asoundrc?) It's probably possible but why would you want to? JACK is easier. Lee From mojofunk at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 23:36:49 2006 From: mojofunk at gmail.com (Tim Mayberry) Date: Thu Jun 8 23:36:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <1149008737.2077.14.camel@mindpipe> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <447C7A05.2050706@prodigy.net.mx> <1149008737.2077.14.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4bb03be40606082036p2cd95823w238595261408f203@mail.gmail.com> On 5/31/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 11:59 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > > Why do you want to recompile the kernel? It should Just Work with the > FC5 kernel. In fact there is no config option to disable the nice and > rtprio rlimits. This is why it's easier than realtime LSM - no kernel > patching is required. > > > PS: I read the thread, but the e-mail containing the pam controls was > > accidentally erased, were those the ones needed with this patch? > > Add to /etc/security/limits.conf something like: > > * hard rtprio 99 > * hard nice -20 > * soft nice -20 > * hard memlock 500000 > > There is some anecdotal evidence that "memlock" does not work. I have > not investigated it yet. > > Lee > I believe if you set a hard limit without also setting the soft limit it will leave the soft limit at the default. On FC5 the default limit for rtprio is 0 and memlock is 32k or so. I think you can use '-' to set both the soft and hard limit, so the above would become: * - rtprio 99 * - nice -20 * - memlock 500000 Tim. From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Fri Jun 9 02:33:11 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Fri Jun 9 02:33:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Stretching with very high accuracy In-Reply-To: <20060608214236.GA16582@slinkp.com> References: <20060608214236.GA16582@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20060609063311.GA5944@linux-1.site> On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 05:42:36PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > Given the very small amount of drift (53 ms / hour), we're talking about > inserting maybe 1 sample per 30000. I submit that nobody will notice > if you just insert a copy of an adjacent sample, and if you > want better than that, interpolation between two adjacent > samples would be even smoother. I tried a more elaborate scheme some time ago (for Aeolus): instead of just inserting on sample, replace N by N+1 samples using higher order interpolation, with N up to 64. It could still be heard on some sounds. One way to resample accurately with ratios near to unity is to use FFT based convolution to find the samples at fractional position a/b and (a+1)/b, then interpolate linearly between those. -- FA Follie! Follie! Delirio vano e' questo! From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 23:18:23 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Fri Jun 9 04:12:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "OK, I Lied" a little joke song recorded with Rosegarden 1.2.3+DSSI+Zyn+hydrogen (to Pete Bessman) Message-ID: <200606090518.23952.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Download from: ftp://ftp.musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/audio/Ok-i-lied-to-Pete-Bessman-from-Musix049.ogg Author: Marcos Guglielmetti = English = Pete Bessman, the Specimen's developer is "giving up on Linux audio" Ok, I made a song for Pete because it's almost funny to me :D * He wrote (http://blog.gazuga.net/?p=93): "I just might have wasted the last 6 years of my life being a GNU/Hippie and a Linux fag. Damn." * Pete wrote for me a script to convert some samples I used in Windows to use them into GNU/Linux, thanks Pete. = Espa?ol = Pete Bessman, el desarrollador de Specimen, est? abandonando el mundo del audio en GNU/Linux Hice una canci?n para ?l porque me pareci? casi gracioso. :D ?l escribi? en su blog (http://blog.gazuga.net/?p=93): "Puedo haber perdido los ?ltimos 6 a?os de mi vida siendo un GNU/Hippie y un Linux fag. Maldici?n." * Quiero destacar que Pete program? a pedido m?o unos scripts que permiten convertir instrumentos que utilizaba en Windows para utilizarlos en GNU/Linux. = English technical details = This song was recorded in a "sad" night using the new Rosegarden 1.2.3, Zynaddsubfx for the dist guitar, Hydrogen with my Colombo Drumkit, and DSSI instruments as Hexter or Xsynth. I used LADSPA plugins for the gates, compressors (SC4), EQs and reverbs, all from Rosegarden. Then it was quick mastered with Jamin and recorded with Timemachine. All GNU/Hippie apps :-D into Musix GNU/Linux 0.49 = Detalles t?cnicos en espa?ol = Esta canci?n fue grabada en una "triste" noche usando el nuevo Rosegarden 1.2.3, Zynaddsubfx para la guitarra distorsionada, Hydrogen con mi kit de percusi?n Colombo y los instrumentos DSSI como por ejemplo Hexter y Xsynth. Us? plugins LADSPA para las compuertas (gate), compresores (SC4), Ecualizadores y reverbs (CAPS), todos desde Rosegarden. Luego fue masterizada r?pidamente con Jamin y grabada hacia Timemachine. Todas aplicaciones GNU/Hippie dentro de Musix GNU/Linux 0.49 :-D =Download= * Hydrogen's Colombo Drumkit ftp://ftp.musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/sound-samples/Colombo-Acustic-Drumkit/ * Rosegarden 1.2.3 ftp://ftp.musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/sources049/r/rosegarden-4-1.2.3.tar.bz2 * Hydrogen ftp://ftp.musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/sources049/h/hydrogen_0.9.3.orig.tar.bz2 * DSSI ftp://ftp.musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/sources049/d/dssi_0.9.1.orig.tar.gz.bz2 ftp://ftp.musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/sources049/h/hexter-0.5.9.tar.bz2 ftp://ftp.musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/sources049/x/xsynth-dssi-0.9.0.tar.bz2 * Zynaddsubfx ftp://ftp.musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/sources049/z/zynaddsubfx_2.2.1.orig.tar.bz2 * Specimen ftp://ftp.musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/sources049/s/specimen_0.5.1.orig.tar.bz2 Long life to GNU/Linux !!! https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php/English-News -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * Descarga el CD de Musix: (www.musix.org.ar) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs From t_w_ at freenet.de Fri Jun 9 05:58:19 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Fri Jun 9 05:58:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "OK, I Lied" a little joke song recorded with Rosegarden 1.2.3+DSSI+Zyn+hydrogen (to Pete Bessman) In-Reply-To: <200606090518.23952.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200606090518.23952.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060609095819.GA7321@charly.SWORD> On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 05:18:23AM +0200, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > ftp://ftp.musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/audio/Ok-i-lied-to-Pete-Bessman-from-Musix049.ogg > Author: Marcos Guglielmetti This has a nice mood. But sadly I can understand only fractions of the singing, because most of the time it can't compete within the mix. Maybe you could increase the volume, thin out the mix, apply more compression or do it over with a bit less dramatic expression but clearer articulation. The drums seem to be too laid-back, dragging behind the beat a bit. The snare sounds cutted off in a way that I think doesn't work for this track. -- Thorsten Wilms From nescivi at gmail.com Fri Jun 9 06:22:30 2006 From: nescivi at gmail.com (Marije Baalman) Date: Fri Jun 9 06:22:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to get around PID attached to jackd clients? In-Reply-To: <448657E0.9000509@worfs.com> References: <448657E0.9000509@worfs.com> Message-ID: <44894BE6.5050902@gmail.com> Hi Robert, Robert F. Scheer wrote: > On my Ubuntu Dapper system, I'm having trouble with jack clients such > as xmms and jack-rack showing up in the list of clients with their PID > (process ID) attached to their app-names. > My convolver program BruteFIR expects the clients to have fixed names. actually in BruteFIR you can leave the name unspecified, and then BruteFIR comes up without connecting to other clients. Then you could use jack_connect and jack_lsp (or something like that) to find the client and connect to the right clients. This can then of course be done with a script which finds the right ones or done graphically with QJackCtl. sincerely, Marije From ivalladolidt at terra.es Fri Jun 9 08:10:54 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Fri Jun 9 08:11:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "OK, I Lied" a little joke song recorded with Rosegarden 1.2.3+DSSI+Zyn+hydrogen (to Pete Bessman) In-Reply-To: <20060609095819.GA7321@charly.SWORD> References: <200606090518.23952.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <20060609095819.GA7321@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060609121054.GA2388@spma33> Thorsten Wilms escribe: > because most of the time it can't compete within the mix. Maybe you could > increase the volume, thin out the mix, apply more compression or do it over > with a bit less dramatic expression but clearer articulation. "Thin out the mix" is always the answer. Increasing volume or abusing compression only adds confusion. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From notmyprivateemail at gmail.com Fri Jun 9 08:46:48 2006 From: notmyprivateemail at gmail.com (Alex Polite) Date: Fri Jun 9 08:46:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Stretching with very high accuracy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/8/06, Nick Copeland wrote: > What is the format of the files? Raw audio, WAV, etc? What is the rough > content - if the signal is constant than sample insertion is not easy since > you may not have periods of silence. If the signal does have silent periods > then the solution may be a noise gate that inserts samples - this would be > all but inaudible. There is no reason why this should not work from file to > file with 'cat oldfile | > newfile so should not need to have the > lot in memory. Sounds cool. It also sounds simple enough for me to put together on my own. The files are in mono wav. I could pipe them through sox to get them to raw if that's easier to manipulate. But I think I need to read up a bit on audio formats. I need to know how many bytes to read to get one sample, given a specific sample rate. And if I convert them to raw I need to find out how to get them back to wav with the right header attached. What are the best places to read up on that? alex -- Alex Polite http://flosspick.org - finding the right open source From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Fri Jun 9 06:38:58 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Fri Jun 9 11:33:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "OK, I Lied" a little joke song recorded with Rosegarden 1.2.3+DSSI+Zyn+hydrogen (to Pete Bessman) In-Reply-To: <20060609095819.GA7321@charly.SWORD> References: <200606090518.23952.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <20060609095819.GA7321@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <200606091238.58690.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El Viernes, 9 de Junio de 2006 11:58, Thorsten Wilms escribi?: > On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 05:18:23AM +0200, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > ftp://ftp.musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/audio/Ok-i-lied-to-Pete-Bessman- > >from-Musix049.ogg Author: Marcos Guglielmetti > > This has a nice mood. hehe > But sadly I can understand only fractions of the > singing, because most of the time it can't compete within the mix. Well, that's the idea > Maybe > you could increase the volume, thin out the mix, apply more compression or > do it over with a bit less dramatic expression but clearer articulation. It's a joke song > The drums seem to be too laid-back, dragging behind the beat a bit. > The snare sounds cutted off in a way that I think doesn't work for this > track. > More reverb to the snare? nice idea > -- > Thorsten Wilms -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * Descarga el CD de Musix: (www.musix.org.ar) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs From rcb at filter24.org Fri Jun 9 11:50:13 2006 From: rcb at filter24.org (Rob Buse) Date: Fri Jun 9 11:50:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "OK, I Lied" a little joke song recorded with Rosegarden 1.2.3+DSSI+Zyn+hydrogen (to Pete Bessman) In-Reply-To: <20060609095819.GA7321@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: >> ftp://ftp.musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/audio/Ok-i-lied-to-Pete-Bessman-from-Musix049.ogg >> Author: Marcos Guglielmetti > >This has a nice mood. But sadly I can understand only fractions of the singing, >because most of the time it can't compete within the mix. Maybe you could >increase the volume, thin out the mix, apply more compression or do it over >with a bit less dramatic expression but clearer articulation. > >The drums seem to be too laid-back, dragging behind the beat a bit. >The snare sounds cutted off in a way that I think doesn't work for this track. > Personally, and maybe it's just me.. but I think it could use more cowbell. Rob From torbenh at gmx.de Fri Jun 9 12:16:41 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Fri Jun 9 12:18:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Any drummers out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060609161641.GB8099@mobilat> On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 09:27:09AM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > On 6/8/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > >What's up guys! > > > >Looking for a good MIDI drummer to make some Free music. I've got > >seperate revenue streams set up so expect a percentage. If we work out > >we end up playing huge gigs together. Distribution here: > > > >http://carlocapocasa.com > > > >For a reference, I wanna do stuff that's inspired by stuff like Zapp & > >Roger, check 'Heartbreaker'. > > > >GTK-Gnutella *wink* *wink* > > > >Carlo > > > >PS: Oh yeah, I'll probably play an electric mandolin hooked up to > >ZynAddSubFX bass sounds. > > > > > > I'm sure about 10 of the LADers can help out as guest > drummers/percussionists. If you need any hand drum stuff i'll help. i just started dance mat drumming, and get misc results 8-) here are my first tries: http://galan.sf.net/dancemat.avi > > Loki > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Jun 9 13:39:19 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Jun 9 13:40:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Any drummers out there? In-Reply-To: <20060609161641.GB8099@mobilat> References: <20060609161641.GB8099@mobilat> Message-ID: <200606091939.19782.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 09 June 2006 18:16, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 09:27:09AM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > On 6/8/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > >What's up guys! > > > > > >Looking for a good MIDI drummer to make some Free music. I've got > > >seperate revenue streams set up so expect a percentage. If we work out > > >we end up playing huge gigs together. Distribution here: > > > > > >http://carlocapocasa.com > > > > > >For a reference, I wanna do stuff that's inspired by stuff like Zapp & > > >Roger, check 'Heartbreaker'. > > > > > >GTK-Gnutella *wink* *wink* > > > > > >Carlo > > > > > >PS: Oh yeah, I'll probably play an electric mandolin hooked up to > > >ZynAddSubFX bass sounds. > > > > I'm sure about 10 of the LADers can help out as guest > > drummers/percussionists. If you need any hand drum stuff i'll help. > > i just started dance mat drumming, and get misc results 8-) > here are my first tries: > > http://galan.sf.net/dancemat.avi > > > Loki Hi Loki. How big is this file? Kget is showing the filesize as 0 B, but has downloaded more than 7MB already. I presume it will play on Mplayer. If the file is huge, I'll have to move the partial download to the other machine, and continue it there, as I wan't to play around with FC5 on this machine, as it's giving a few problems. Anyway. Just what is this dance mat drumming? It's not kinky stuff I hope. Nigel. From plutek at infinity.net Fri Jun 9 13:44:38 2006 From: plutek at infinity.net (plutek) Date: Fri Jun 9 13:44:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Any drummers out there? In-Reply-To: <200606091939.19782.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <20060609161641.GB8099@mobilat> <200606091939.19782.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20060609134438.0314b8b4@localhost> On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:39:19 +0200 Nigel Henry wrote: > On Friday 09 June 2006 18:16, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 09:27:09AM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > > On 6/8/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > > >What's up guys! > > > > > > > >Looking for a good MIDI drummer to make some Free music. I've got > > > >seperate revenue streams set up so expect a percentage. If we work out > > > >we end up playing huge gigs together. Distribution here: > > > > > > > >http://carlocapocasa.com > > > > > > > >For a reference, I wanna do stuff that's inspired by stuff like Zapp & > > > >Roger, check 'Heartbreaker'. > > > > > > > >GTK-Gnutella *wink* *wink* > > > > > > > >Carlo > > > > > > > >PS: Oh yeah, I'll probably play an electric mandolin hooked up to > > > >ZynAddSubFX bass sounds. > > > > > > I'm sure about 10 of the LADers can help out as guest > > > drummers/percussionists. If you need any hand drum stuff i'll help. > > > > i just started dance mat drumming, and get misc results 8-) > > here are my first tries: > > > > http://galan.sf.net/dancemat.avi > > > > > Loki > > Hi Loki. How big is this file? Kget is showing the filesize as 0 B, but has > downloaded more than 7MB already. I presume it will play on Mplayer. If the > file is huge, I'll have to move the partial download to the other machine, > and continue it there, as I wan't to play around with FC5 on this machine, as > it's giving a few problems. i'm downloading now, too.... looks like 25.1Mb. .pltk. From plutek at infinity.net Fri Jun 9 13:50:31 2006 From: plutek at infinity.net (plutek) Date: Fri Jun 9 13:50:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Any drummers out there? In-Reply-To: <200606091939.19782.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <20060609161641.GB8099@mobilat> <200606091939.19782.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20060609135031.4c879157@localhost> On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:39:19 +0200 Nigel Henry wrote: > Anyway. Just what is this dance mat drumming? It's not kinky stuff I hope. doesn't look too kinky to me..... but that would be a question of personal taste, no? there IS a cat, and there ARE striped socks, so look out. .pltk. From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Fri Jun 9 13:55:33 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Fri Jun 9 13:51:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Any drummers out there? In-Reply-To: <200606091939.19782.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <20060609161641.GB8099@mobilat> <200606091939.19782.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <4489B615.6000909@kolumbus.fi> Nigel Henry kirjoitti: > On Friday 09 June 2006 18:16, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 09:27:09AM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: >> >>> On 6/8/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: >>> >>>> What's up guys! >>>> >>>> Looking for a good MIDI drummer to make some Free music. I've got >>>> seperate revenue streams set up so expect a percentage. If we work out >>>> we end up playing huge gigs together. Distribution here: >>>> >>>> http://carlocapocasa.com >>>> >>>> For a reference, I wanna do stuff that's inspired by stuff like Zapp & >>>> Roger, check 'Heartbreaker'. >>>> >>>> GTK-Gnutella *wink* *wink* >>>> >>>> Carlo >>>> >>>> PS: Oh yeah, I'll probably play an electric mandolin hooked up to >>>> ZynAddSubFX bass sounds. >>>> >>> I'm sure about 10 of the LADers can help out as guest >>> drummers/percussionists. If you need any hand drum stuff i'll help. >>> >> i just started dance mat drumming, and get misc results 8-) >> here are my first tries: >> >> http://galan.sf.net/dancemat.avi >> >> >>> Loki >>> > > Hi Loki. How big is this file? Kget is showing the filesize as 0 B, but has > downloaded more than 7MB already. I presume it will play on Mplayer. If the > file is huge, I'll have to move the partial download to the other machine, > and continue it there, as I wan't to play around with FC5 on this machine, as > it's giving a few problems. wget says it's 25 mb. -- ----------------------- http://www.emvg.net/esa http://www.emvg.net ----------------------- From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Jun 9 14:00:06 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (nigel henry) Date: Fri Jun 9 14:00:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Any drummers out there? In-Reply-To: <20060609134438.0314b8b4@localhost> References: <200606091939.19782.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20060609134438.0314b8b4@localhost> Message-ID: <200606092000.06920.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 09 June 2006 19:44, plutek wrote: > On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:39:19 +0200 > > Nigel Henry wrote: > > On Friday 09 June 2006 18:16, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 09:27:09AM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > > > On 6/8/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > > > >What's up guys! > > > > > > > > > >Looking for a good MIDI drummer to make some Free music. I've got > > > > >seperate revenue streams set up so expect a percentage. If we work > > > > > out we end up playing huge gigs together. Distribution here: > > > > > > > > > >http://carlocapocasa.com > > > > > > > > > >For a reference, I wanna do stuff that's inspired by stuff like Zapp > > > > > & Roger, check 'Heartbreaker'. > > > > > > > > > >GTK-Gnutella *wink* *wink* > > > > > > > > > >Carlo > > > > > > > > > >PS: Oh yeah, I'll probably play an electric mandolin hooked up to > > > > >ZynAddSubFX bass sounds. > > > > > > > > I'm sure about 10 of the LADers can help out as guest > > > > drummers/percussionists. If you need any hand drum stuff i'll help. > > > > > > i just started dance mat drumming, and get misc results 8-) > > > here are my first tries: > > > > > > http://galan.sf.net/dancemat.avi > > > > > > > Loki > > > > Hi Loki. How big is this file? Kget is showing the filesize as 0 B, but > > has downloaded more than 7MB already. I presume it will play on Mplayer. > > If the file is huge, I'll have to move the partial download to the other > > machine, and continue it there, as I wan't to play around with FC5 on > > this machine, as it's giving a few problems. > > i'm downloading now, too.... looks like 25.1Mb. > > > .pltk. Thanks. In that case I'll copy the 8.4MB partial DL to the other machine, and continue it there. This is what comes from being on dialup. 600+MB of updates just done for FC5. 8 days DL'ing over 3GB of iso's on 5 discs, plus the rescue disc. But it's all great fun isn't it. Nigel. From plutek at infinity.net Fri Jun 9 14:08:43 2006 From: plutek at infinity.net (plutek) Date: Fri Jun 9 14:08:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Any drummers out there? In-Reply-To: <200606092000.06920.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200606091939.19782.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20060609134438.0314b8b4@localhost> <200606092000.06920.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20060609140843.5dcb3588@localhost> On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 20:00:06 +0200 nigel henry wrote: > > > > i'm downloading now, too.... looks like 25.1Mb. > > > > > > .pltk. > > Thanks. In that case I'll copy the 8.4MB partial DL to the other machine, and > continue it there. > > This is what comes from being on dialup. 600+MB of updates just done for FC5. > 8 days DL'ing over 3GB of iso's on 5 discs, plus the rescue disc. But it's > all great fun isn't it. > > Nigel. yeah.... i guess it was pretty soon after my first serious linux installation that i moved to dsl. but i do miss hearing the data handshake! .pltk. From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Jun 9 14:14:24 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (nigel henry) Date: Fri Jun 9 14:15:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Any drummers out there? In-Reply-To: <4489B615.6000909@kolumbus.fi> References: <200606091939.19782.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <4489B615.6000909@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <200606092014.24807.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 09 June 2006 19:55, Esa Linna wrote: > Nigel Henry kirjoitti: > > On Friday 09 June 2006 18:16, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 09:27:09AM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > >>> On 6/8/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > >>>> What's up guys! > >>>> > >>>> Looking for a good MIDI drummer to make some Free music. I've got > >>>> seperate revenue streams set up so expect a percentage. If we work out > >>>> we end up playing huge gigs together. Distribution here: > >>>> > >>>> http://carlocapocasa.com > >>>> > >>>> For a reference, I wanna do stuff that's inspired by stuff like Zapp & > >>>> Roger, check 'Heartbreaker'. > >>>> > >>>> GTK-Gnutella *wink* *wink* > >>>> > >>>> Carlo > >>>> > >>>> PS: Oh yeah, I'll probably play an electric mandolin hooked up to > >>>> ZynAddSubFX bass sounds. > >>> > >>> I'm sure about 10 of the LADers can help out as guest > >>> drummers/percussionists. If you need any hand drum stuff i'll help. > >> > >> i just started dance mat drumming, and get misc results 8-) > >> here are my first tries: > >> > >> http://galan.sf.net/dancemat.avi > >> > >>> Loki > > > > Hi Loki. How big is this file? Kget is showing the filesize as 0 B, but > > has downloaded more than 7MB already. I presume it will play on Mplayer. > > If the file is huge, I'll have to move the partial download to the other > > machine, and continue it there, as I wan't to play around with FC5 on > > this machine, as it's giving a few problems. > > wget says it's 25 mb. Yeh. That was sort of suggested. It's at 10.9MB at the mo, and if I keep answering replies the dialup DL time will soon pass. Hit 11.3 now, so perhaps I'll just be patient. Nigel. From jesse at essej.net Fri Jun 9 14:48:28 2006 From: jesse at essej.net (Jesse Chappell) Date: Fri Jun 9 14:48:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Stereo compressor that reports latency? In-Reply-To: <44888976.1030108@findus.dhs.org> References: <44888976.1030108@findus.dhs.org> Message-ID: On 6/8/06, Petter Sundl?f wrote: > Is anyone here aware of a stereo compressor plugin (LADSPA) suitable for > drums and/or bass that reports latency? I've been using SC4, but > realized it adds latency and does not report it! :/ After consulting with Steve, SC4 definitely does not introduce latency. There must be another explanation, and bugs in ardour are definitely not ruled out here. Any interesting bus routing going on? jlc From alberto.botti at gmail.com Fri Jun 9 14:55:16 2006 From: alberto.botti at gmail.com (Alberto Botti) Date: Fri Jun 9 14:55:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149695389.13830.34.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149658355.13830.22.camel@mindpipe> <1149673814.1455.1.camel@eviltwin> <1149695389.13830.34.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Il giorno mer, 07/06/2006 alle 11.49 -0400, Lee Revell ha scritto: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 04:50 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > Why do you assume this? There are plenty of closed-source > > applications and drivers running on top of Linux. > > > > Closed source applications are perfectly OK. A closed source ALSA > driver violates the GPL. >From the ALSA soundcard support page (http://www.alsa-project.org/call.php): "There is nothing to stop any company from developing a binary only driver that works with ALSA. But there are several issues and requirements we want to make clear to anybody attempting to do this." From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Jun 9 15:08:36 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Jun 9 15:07:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "OK, I Lied" a little joke song recorded with Rosegarden 1.2.3+DSSI+Zyn+hydrogen (to Pete Bessman) In-Reply-To: <20060609121054.GA2388@spma33> References: <200606090518.23952.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <20060609095819.GA7321@charly.SWORD> <20060609121054.GA2388@spma33> Message-ID: <20060609190836.GB9936@fitz.Belkin> On Fri, 09 Jun, 2006 at 02:10PM +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres spake thus: > Thorsten Wilms escribe: > > because most of the time it can't compete within the mix. Maybe you could > > increase the volume, thin out the mix, apply more compression or do it over > > with a bit less dramatic expression but clearer articulation. > > "Thin out the mix" is always the answer. Increasing volume or abusing > compression only adds confusion. Don't be silly. Leave everything else at 10 and turn the vocals up to 11. > Cordially, Ismael From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jun 9 15:13:53 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jun 9 15:15:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149658355.13830.22.camel@mindpipe> <1149673814.1455.1.camel@eviltwin> <1149695389.13830.34.camel@mindpipe> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 20:55 +0200, Alberto Botti wrote: > Il giorno mer, 07/06/2006 alle 11.49 -0400, Lee Revell ha scritto: > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 04:50 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > > Why do you assume this? There are plenty of closed-source > > > applications and drivers running on top of Linux. > > > > > > > Closed source applications are perfectly OK. A closed source ALSA > > driver violates the GPL. > > >From the ALSA soundcard support page > (http://www.alsa-project.org/call.php): > > "There is nothing to stop any company from developing a binary only > driver that works with ALSA. But there are several issues and > requirements we want to make clear to anybody attempting to do this." > "Works with ALSA" is not exactly the same as a binary ALSA driver. "Binary-only drivers cannot be based on any ALSA source code. They must be written from scratch. Binary-only drivers that contain ALSA code are infringing on copyright laws." IOW, a binary only ALSA driver can implement the ALSA API, but it cannot use the ALSA kernel middle layer at all. AFAICT this means that you could implement a ALSA compatibility wrapper around a binary blob as long as that blob was not developed for use on Linux. But developing a binary driver for use on Linux is clearly a derived work of the kernel and thus illegal. Lee From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Jun 9 15:35:27 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (nigel henry) Date: Fri Jun 9 15:35:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Any drummers out there? In-Reply-To: <20060609140843.5dcb3588@localhost> References: <200606092000.06920.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20060609140843.5dcb3588@localhost> Message-ID: <200606092135.27267.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 09 June 2006 20:08, plutek wrote: > On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 20:00:06 +0200 > > nigel henry wrote: > > > i'm downloading now, too.... looks like 25.1Mb. > > > > > > > > > .pltk. > > > > Thanks. In that case I'll copy the 8.4MB partial DL to the other machine, > > and continue it there. > > > > This is what comes from being on dialup. 600+MB of updates just done for > > FC5. 8 days DL'ing over 3GB of iso's on 5 discs, plus the rescue disc. > > But it's all great fun isn't it. > > > > Nigel. > > yeah.... i guess it was pretty soon after my first serious linux > installation that i moved to dsl. but i do miss hearing the data handshake! > > .pltk. Agreed. I have 2 ISP accounts. One is a fixed, unlimited access account. The other is a pay by the minute job. I know I'm using a web interface on the Smoothwall firewall to connect, and it tells me which ISP I am dialling, but it's still nice to hear a phone No that I'm familiar with being dialed on the modem. Well the "Dance mat drumming" download has finished now. This will be interesting, if I can get Mplayer to work. Nigel. From ivarga at csounds.com Fri Jun 9 15:58:59 2006 From: ivarga at csounds.com (Istvan Varga) Date: Fri Jun 9 17:01:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Csound 5.02 release Message-ID: <200606092158.59326.ivarga@csounds.com> Links to downloadable packages can be found here: http://csound.sourceforge.net/ Changes in version 5.02: 2006-06-04 Michael Gogins * Changed the MIDI interoperability opcodes (OOps/midiinterop.c) midinoteoncps, midinoteonoct, midinoteonpch to leave key and velocity unchanged for score-driven performance. 2006-06-04 Istvan Varga * Engine/otran.c: work around constndx() not being compiled correctly 2006-06-03 Istvan Varga * Engine/fgens.c, InOut/libsnd_u.c, OOps/diskin.c, OOps/diskin2.c: GEN01, diskin, diskin2, soundin: with an iformat value of -1, reject headerless files, rather than assuming the same format as the one specified on the command line GEN01: added format codes 7 (8 bit unsigned), 8 (24 bit), and 9 (doubles) * Engine/entry1.c, H/sndinfUG.h, OOps/sndinfUG.c: filelen, filenchnls, filesr: added optional i-time argument that defaults to 1, and if zero, will make the opcodes return zero on headerless files rather than some possibly incorrect defaults * Opcodes/fout.c: fixed bug in fini opcode (negative numbers were read incorrectly) * Engine/sread.c, Engine/swrite.c, Engine/twarp.c: fixes to reading numbers in [] score expressions fixed 's' and 'e' score opcodes with time parameter 2006-06-02 Istvan Varga * New string opcodes: Sdst strsub Ssrc[, istart[, iend]] Sdst strsubk Ssrc, kstart, kend ichr strchar Sstr[, ipos] kchr strchark Sstr[, kpos] ilen strlen Sstr klen strlenk Sstr Sdst strupper Ssrc Sdst strupperk Ssrc Sdst strlower Ssrc Sdst strlowerk Ssrc Sval getcfg iopt ipos strindex Sstr1, Sstr2 kpos strindexk Sstr1, Sstr2 ipos strrindex Sstr1, Sstr2 kpos strrindexk Sstr1, Sstr2 * Engine/express.c, Engine/otran.c: fixed parsing of numbers in exponential notation also some parser fixes related to 0dbfs 2006-06-01 Istvan Varga * Added callback interface to the software bus with named channels, using new opcodes chnrecv and chnsend. The callback function can be set with csoundSetChannelIOCallback(). 2006-05-31 jpff * util/sndinfo.c: Added option to print looping information etc. 2006-05-31 Istvan Varga * InOut/widgets.cpp: FLbutton type 1 callback now sets the output to "ion" 2006-05-30 Istvan Varga * Opcodes/fout.c: new opcode: ficlose 2006-05-30 ma++ ingalls * aops.c, aops.h, csound.h: invalue/outvalue updates as per Istvan's comments * csound.c: changed "early return" comments to debug only * hetro.c: added pollevents inside processing loop * lpanal.c: added warning message with -g flag * sockrecv.c: took out usleep() declaration - was causing compile error 2006-05-28 ma++ ingalls * frontends/CsoundX: added to cvs * aops.c, entry1.c, entry1.h, csound.h: added hack to invalue/outvalue to support strings 2006-05-27 Istvan Varga * Added ATS analysis utility. 2006-05-26 ma++ ingalls * frontends/CsoundVST/AEffect.h: commented out 2 PRAGMAS causing compile error on mac * Opcodes/vst4cs/vsthost.c: added plug-in loading for MACH-O mac. commented out #includes that caused compile error on mac * Opcodes/vst4cs/vsthost.h: commented out #includes that caused compile error on mac * Opcodes/vst4cs/fxbank.h: commented out #includes that caused compile error on mac * OOps/aops.c: added i-rate support to invalue/outvalue 2006-05-24 Istvan Varga * InOut/rtalsa.c: changed default device from "default" to "plughw" * InOut/rtjack.c: list available device names for -i adc or -o dac if an invalid device is specified 2006-05-23 Istvan Varga * Opcodes/ugnorman.c: fixed "not initialised" bug in ATSbufread 2006-05-22 Istvan Varga * OOps/midiops.c: massign(): interpret channel number <= 0 as all channels * H/csoundCore.h, Top/csound.c: added new function GetCurrentThreadID() to CSOUND structure 2006-05-21 Michael Gogins * New API function: csoundGetCurrentThreadId() 2006-05-20 Istvan Varga * Opcodes/stackops.c: added new stack opcodes (stack, push, pop, push_f, pop_f); also moved monitor opcode here. * Reworked user defined opcodes to allow for up to 256 input/output arguments. * Opcodes/bilbar.c: removed use of C++ style comments. 2006-05-16 jpff * Engine/entry1.c: Change args of xin to match OPCODENUMOUTS 2006-05-15 Anthony Kozar * Top/cscormai.c: Fixed #includes. * interfaces/CsoundFile.cpp: isspace() is in and supposed to be in std namespace * H/csoundCore.h: Increased OPCODENUMOUTS to 64 as requested. 2006-05-15 Istvan Varga * Opcodes/monitor.c: added new opcode: monitor 2006-05-14 jpff * util/pvlook.c (pvlook): Rewritten for .pvx format 2006-05-13 jpff * util/pvanal.c: Added -B # argument to give a beta to the Kaiser window; still defaults to 6.8 2006-05-12 Istvan Varga * frontends/csound/csound_main.c: overwrite old log files, rather than appending messages 2006-05-08 Istvan Varga * New API functions: csoundCreateMutex, csoundLockMutex, csoundLockMutexNoWait, csoundUnlockMutex, csoundDestroyMutex, csoundRunCommand 2006-05-04 Istvan Varga * InOut/rtalsa.c: added new "devfile" MIDI driver that uses device files in /dev, based on code from Csound 4.23 mididevice.c 2006-05-03 Istvan Varga * InOut/FL_graph.cpp, InOut/widgets.cpp: * InOut/winFLTK.c, InOut/winFLTK.h: added more FLTK flags (see winFLTK.h) 2006-05-02 Istvan Varga * InOut/widgets.cpp, InOut/winFLTK.c, InOut/winFLTK.h: disable threads by default if graphs are used * OOps/sndinfUG.c: filepeak opcode now uses PEAK chunks with libsndfile >= 1.0.16 2006-04-30 Istvan Varga * Attempt to fix thread locks on MacOS X. * util/srconv.c: fixed output amplitude when downsampling allow utility to be stopped by yield callback * install.py, installer/misc/mkpackage.py: install TclCsound command documentation 2006-04-29 Istvan Varga * Made it possible to control the behavior of the FLTK plugin from the host application. This can be done with the following code between calling csoundPreCompile() and csoundCompile(): CSOUND *csound; ... csoundCreateGlobalVariable(csound, "FLTK_Flags", sizeof(int)); *((int*) csoundQueryGlobalVariable(csound, "FLTK_Flags")) = flags; where 'flags' can be the sum of any of the following values: 1: disable widget opcodes 2: disable FLTK graphs 4: disable the use of a separate thread for widget opcodes 8: disable the use of Fl::lock() and Fl::unlock() 16: disable the use of Fl::awake() additionally, after calling csoundCompile(), the same variable can be checked to find out if graphs or widget opcodes are used: 32: FLrun opcode was called 64: callbacks for FLTK graphs are set * Top/main.c: fixed crash on registering opcodes from the host application * frontends/fltk_gui: new GUI frontend that uses the Csound 5 API and FLTK 2006-04-19 Michael gogins * Updated Lua to version 5.1 (current version), changed lua_example.lua to use Class:method calls. 2006-04-17 John ffitch * Opcodes/bilbar.c: Added prepared piano string model * H/entry1.h: * Engine/entry1.c: Added remove opcode. Probably should be an API function rather than opcode * Engine/insert.c (delete_instr): New code to delete non-active instruments. Still needs to be checked as it may leave structures dangling. 2006-04-15 Istvan Varga * Engine/namedins.c, Engine/otran.c: optimizations in orchestra parser * interfaces/lua_interface.i: wrap cs_glue.hpp and csPerfThread.hpp 2006-04-09 Istvan Varga * Engine/envvar.c: csoundFileOpen(): check for files with .sd2 extension, and use sf_open() in this case if sf_open_fd() fails * InOut/FL_graph.cpp: wait for the window to be closed by the user at end of performance * InOut/libsnd.c: fixes in enabling peak chunks and dithering * InOut/libsnd_u.c: type2string(): added SD2 to file types * InOut/rtpa.c: print warning if the buffer size (-b) is not an integer multiple of ksmps in full-duplex mode * InOut/window.c: moved deferred loading of widgets plugin from main.c to make graphs work in utilities * Opcodes/compress.c: made rms levels relative to 0dBFS in distort opcode * H/csoundCore.h, Top/csound.c: added dispinit() function pointer to CSOUND structure, for use by utilities * H/version.h: updated API version to 1.01 to reflect change to CSOUND structure * util/pvanal.c: implemented graph displays (limited to 30 frames at this time) * util/sndinfo.c: clear SF_INFO structure before calling sf_open() 2006-04-08 Istvan Varga * OOps/sndinfUG.c: restored filepeak opcode 2006-04-07 Istvan Varga * H/version.h: updated version number to 5.02.0 to reflect addition of new opcodes * Opcodes/compress.c: fixed a few minor errors 2006-04-04 Michael Gogins * Changed FluidSynth opcodes slightly, with fluidEngine iChorusOn, iReverbOn pfields, defaulting to "on"; this can reduce noise in low frequencies in SoundFont rendering. * Updated Windows FluidSynth opcodes to use latest FluidSynth sources. 2006-03-28 jpff * Opcodes/compress.c: New code for distort and compress/expander from Barry Vercoe 2006-03-25 Istvan Varga * Engine/entry1.c, H/aops.h, H/entry1.h, OOps/bus.c, opcodes.dir, Opcodes/pitch.c, Opcodes/pitch.h, Opcodes/spectra.c, Top/csound.c: fixes in sensekey opcode 2006-03-22 Michael Gogins * Added ScoreGeneratorVST, a VST plugin for generating scores in VST hosts using Python. * Updated Windows installer for new targets, including Winsound. 2006-03-22 Istvan Varga * interfaces/cs_glue.cpp: * interfaces/cs_glue.hpp: - added new classes to wrap MIDI I/O: CsoundMidiInputStream sends MIDI input messages CsoundMidiOutputStream polls MIDI output messages - added MIDI I/O callbacks to CsoundCallbackWrapper - made it possible to use the message buffer in multiple threads, to allow for redirecting the message output of a CsoundPerformanceThread 2006-03-21 Istvan Varga * SConstruct, Makefile-win32: renamed Csound library to csound{32,64}.dll.5.1 on Windows * SConstruct: attempts to fix install target (still needs a lot of work) * Engine/namedins.c, OOps/bus.c: fixed a-rate channel allocation in user defined opcode with local ksmps * Engine/linevent.c: various minor fixes and code improvements From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Jun 9 20:34:37 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Jun 9 20:34:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Any drummers out there? In-Reply-To: <200606091939.19782.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <20060609161641.GB8099@mobilat> <200606091939.19782.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: On 6/10/06, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Friday 09 June 2006 18:16, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > Hi Loki. How big is this file? Kget is showing the filesize as 0 B, but has > downloaded more than 7MB already. I presume it will play on Mplayer. If the > file is huge, I'll have to move the partial download to the other machine, > and continue it there, as I wan't to play around with FC5 on this machine, > as > it's giving a few problems. > > Anyway. Just what is this dance mat drumming? It's not kinky stuff I hope. > > Nigel. > Nigel, it's torben not me! Dance dance revolution was never my thing! Though seeing torben do it will be worth the download... getting it now ;) From smoak at mis.net Fri Jun 9 22:12:13 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Fri Jun 9 22:11:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> On Friday 09 June 2006 15:13, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 20:55 +0200, Alberto Botti wrote: > > Il giorno mer, 07/06/2006 alle 11.49 -0400, Lee Revell ha scritto: > > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 04:50 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > > > Why do you assume this? There are plenty of closed-source > > > > applications and drivers running on top of Linux. > > > > > > Closed source applications are perfectly OK. A closed source > > > ALSA driver violates the GPL. > > > > > >From the ALSA soundcard support page > > > > (http://www.alsa-project.org/call.php): > > > > "There is nothing to stop any company from developing a binary only > > driver that works with ALSA. But there are several issues and > > requirements we want to make clear to anybody attempting to do > > this." > > "Works with ALSA" is not exactly the same as a binary ALSA driver. > > "Binary-only drivers cannot be based on any ALSA source code. They > must be written from scratch. Binary-only drivers that contain ALSA > code are infringing on copyright laws." > > IOW, a binary only ALSA driver can implement the ALSA API, but it > cannot use the ALSA kernel middle layer at all. > > AFAICT this means that you could implement a ALSA compatibility > wrapper around a binary blob as long as that blob was not developed > for use on Linux. But developing a binary driver for use on Linux is > clearly a derived work of the kernel and thus illegal. > > Lee So a company that wanted to have a proprietary connection to linux could write an open source blob and a closed connection to the blob for their closed hardware/software? ie linux remains useable for companies. If not, I'm having a hard time seeing this as a positive situation. More like alsa shooting themselves in the foot. I'm not a programmer or audio pro; just a linux user who advocates open source and avenues of co-existence with businesses. Marv From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jun 9 22:33:14 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jun 9 22:33:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 22:12 -0400, M P Smoak wrote: > So a company that wanted to have a proprietary connection to linux > could write an open source blob and a closed connection to the blob > for their closed hardware/software? ie linux remains useable for > companies. > Not if the closed part was specifically developed to run on Linux. The key is whether it's a "derived work" as far as copyright law is concerned or not. If there's IP in your hardware than you absolutely cannot risk disclosing (maybe because you went for trade secret protection rather than patenting it) you can put the secret part of the driver in userspace and keep it closed. > If not, I'm having a hard time seeing this as a positive situation. > More like alsa shooting themselves in the foot. > > I'm not a programmer or audio pro; just a linux user who advocates > open source and avenues of co-existence with businesses. Read LKML sometime, there are tons of large companies releasing open source drivers for their hardware - Intel, AMD, IBM, Cisco, Via, Toshiba, Fujitsu, Veritas, Novell, SGI, plus zillions of smaller companies like Pathscale, Emulex, Mellanox. For audio there's M-Audio, RME, AudioScience, EchoAudio, Digigram, etc. I could go on and on - these are just the ones I know off the top of my head. Keep in mind that if you patent your hardware innovations, you're free to release an open source driver and no one can rip you off - for example Creative did this with the emu10k1. The ones shooting themselves in the foot are the small minority that refuse to release open source drivers. Lee From seablaede at gmail.com Fri Jun 9 23:55:22 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Fri Jun 9 22:51:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <448A42AA.9080201@gmail.com> > Keep in mind that if you patent your hardware innovations, you're free > to release an open source driver and no one can rip you off - for > example Creative did this with the emu10k1. Considering how broken I consider the US patent system, or really the idea of most software patents, this does nothing to improve my thoughts on this situation. I think making it difficult for people to write drivers for their hardware to be used on Linux is a mistake. if they consider their ideas innovative enough to keep a driver closed source we may as well kiss the thought goodbye, RME Fireface for example. We arent spurring innovation in that sense, we are driving it to other platforms. Admitedly RME didnt write any of their drivers, however IMO they proved they arent against working with us(Linux community) but some things get taken a bit far IMO. Seablade From smoak at mis.net Fri Jun 9 22:54:17 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Fri Jun 9 22:53:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200606092254.17830.smoak@mis.net> On Friday 09 June 2006 22:33, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 22:12 -0400, M P Smoak wrote: > > So a company that wanted to have a proprietary connection to linux > > could write an open source blob and a closed connection to the blob > > for their closed hardware/software? ie linux remains useable for > > companies. > > Not if the closed part was specifically developed to run on Linux. > The key is whether it's a "derived work" as far as copyright law is > concerned or not. > > If there's IP in your hardware than you absolutely cannot risk > disclosing (maybe because you went for trade secret protection rather > than patenting it) you can put the secret part of the driver in > userspace and keep it closed. Thanks for the answer; I was thinking of companies that don't want to go the patent route. Marv From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jun 9 22:59:14 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jun 9 22:59:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <448A42AA.9080201@gmail.com> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> <448A42AA.9080201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1149908355.13569.57.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 20:55 -0700, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > > Keep in mind that if you patent your hardware innovations, you're free > > to release an open source driver and no one can rip you off - for > > example Creative did this with the emu10k1. > > > Considering how broken I consider the US patent system, or really the > idea of most software patents, this does nothing to improve my thoughts > on this situation. > I am referring to hardware patents. > I think making it difficult for people to write drivers for their > hardware to be used on Linux is a mistake. if they consider their ideas > innovative enough to keep a driver closed source we may as well kiss the > thought goodbye, RME Fireface for example. We arent spurring innovation > in that sense, we are driving it to other platforms. Admitedly RME > didnt write any of their drivers, however IMO they proved they arent > against working with us(Linux community) but some things get taken a bit > far IMO. Well, it's not really a matter of opinion, I'm just stating what the GPL requires. In order for this to change you'd have to relicense the kernel. Lee From seablaede at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 00:15:00 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Fri Jun 9 23:11:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149908355.13569.57.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> <448A42AA.9080201@gmail.com> <1149908355.13569.57.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <448A4744.20901@gmail.com> > Well, it's not really a matter of opinion, I'm just stating what the GPL > requires. In order for this to change you'd have to relicense the > kernel. > Not saying it was a matter of opinion, I was stating my opinion on the matter. Honestly I don't know the GPL good enough to argue it with ya anyways I don't think, thus I was taking your word on it and stating my opinion in as far as the current situation and what it does to business. Don't get me wrong though, I am not against open source, I believe in it fully, but I don't necessarily blame others for trying to keep things closed to make a bit of money, to a certain extent, though eventually I reach a point where it goes to far. In as far as hardware patents... You are familiar with Behringer I believe, how many times have they blatantly taken someone else's idea, and re manufactured it with no R+D and cheaper components? I can definitely see why some people might be a bit edgy over things like that. Seablade From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jun 9 23:31:50 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jun 9 23:31:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <448A4744.20901@gmail.com> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> <448A42AA.9080201@gmail.com> <1149908355.13569.57.camel@mindpipe> <448A4744.20901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1149910311.13569.71.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 21:15 -0700, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > > Well, it's not really a matter of opinion, I'm just stating what the GPL > > requires. In order for this to change you'd have to relicense the > > kernel. > > > > Not saying it was a matter of opinion, I was stating my opinion on the > matter. Honestly I don't know the GPL good enough to argue it with ya > anyways I don't think, thus I was taking your word on it and stating my > opinion in as far as the current situation and what it does to business. > Neither do I, really - which is why I did not try to define exactly what a "derived work" is. > Don't get me wrong though, I am not against open source, I believe in it > fully, but I don't necessarily blame others for trying to keep things > closed to make a bit of money, to a certain extent, though eventually I > reach a point where it goes to far. > There are at least three solutions I know of that don't violate the GPL - put the sensitive IP in the firmware, do it in userspace, or make your Linux driver a GPL wrapper around the same binary blob your Windows driver uses. Unfortunately it's quite common these days for companies to blatantly violate the GPL and just develop closed Linux drivers. > In as far as hardware patents... You are familiar with Behringer I > believe, how many times have they blatantly taken someone else's idea, > and re manufactured it with no R+D and cheaper components? I can > definitely see why some people might be a bit edgy over things like that. Yeah it's unfortunate. Maybe the rise of these cheap knockoffs is what drove a company like Creative, who were one of the first to open their drivers in the mid 1990s, to their current position of not releasing any hardware specs or Linux drivers at all. IIRC Behringer is careful not to infringe patents - they just copy things that can't be copyrighted or patented like a circuit board layout. But I'm not really an expert. Lee From seablaede at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 01:51:29 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sat Jun 10 00:47:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149910311.13569.71.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> <448A42AA.9080201@gmail.com> <1149908355.13569.57.camel@mindpipe> <448A4744.20901@gmail.com> <1149910311.13569.71.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <448A5DE1.8080203@gmail.com> > Yeah it's unfortunate. Maybe the rise of these cheap knockoffs is what > drove a company like Creative, who were one of the first to open their > drivers in the mid 1990s, to their current position of not releasing any > hardware specs or Linux drivers at all. Well truth be told, not much has changed quality wise since then;) Ok I jest some, but I dont really find creative to be all that great anymore myself. Not even a big fan of the EMU line;) But that has little to do with your point I suppose. I agree things like that above happening are quite unfortunate, though sometimes I wonder if there was a bit more to it than just that in their case. > IIRC Behringer is careful not to infringe patents - they just copy > things that can't be copyrighted or patented like a circuit board > layout. But I'm not really an expert. Well considering they have already knowingly violated FCC regulation with some of their products, it would not surprise me in the least to see if they had violated patents as well, and most likely knowingly. Can you tell I am not a big fan of them;) Seablade From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jun 10 01:05:53 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jun 10 01:06:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <448A5DE1.8080203@gmail.com> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> <448A42AA.9080201@gmail.com> <1149908355.13569.57.camel@mindpipe> <448A4744.20901@gmail.com> <1149910311.13569.71.camel@mindpipe> <448A5DE1.8080203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1149915954.14253.13.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 22:51 -0700, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > > Yeah it's unfortunate. Maybe the rise of these cheap knockoffs is what > > drove a company like Creative, who were one of the first to open their > > drivers in the mid 1990s, to their current position of not releasing any > > hardware specs or Linux drivers at all. > > Well truth be told, not much has changed quality wise since then;) Ok I > jest some, but I dont really find creative to be all that great anymore > myself. Not even a big fan of the EMU line;) > Oh, it sure has changed - it's gone down the shitter. Creative's new stuff is garbage compared to the SBLive! which IMHO was a brilliant piece of hardware. I wouldn't know about the EMU line because it can't be used with Linux. > But that has little to do with your point I suppose. I agree things > like that above happening are quite unfortunate, though sometimes I > wonder if there was a bit more to it than just that in their case. > The trend since then has been to make cheap junk cheaper every year and move as much logic as possible into the driver which makes supporting Linux more work with each generation of devices. It's not just PC hardware, it's the whole damn economy. For example new houses are bigger and more expensive than ever but they're basically made of cardboard. Where they used to use 2x4s for interior walls they use 2x2s now. In 10 years they'll be twice as big, 5x more expensive, and made out of paper. Economists call it "improving efficiency", engineers call it "cutting corners". The economists seem to have won. Yes, I'm a little bitter about the whole thing ;-) Lee From seablaede at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 02:15:10 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sat Jun 10 01:11:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149915954.14253.13.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> <448A42AA.9080201@gmail.com> <1149908355.13569.57.camel@mindpipe> <448A4744.20901@gmail.com> <1149910311.13569.71.camel@mindpipe> <448A5DE1.8080203@gmail.com> <1149915954.14253.13.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <448A636E.70909@gmail.com> > Yes, I'm a little bitter about the whole thing ;-) I find it easy, and pretty damn accurate to blame Walmart.... Completely agree though. I know quality can make you a living, but it certainly dont make you rich in today's society. Seablade From rj at spamatica.se Sat Jun 10 04:58:43 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Sat Jun 10 03:56:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Any drummers out there? In-Reply-To: <20060609161641.GB8099@mobilat> References: <20060609161641.GB8099@mobilat> Message-ID: <200606100958.46847.rj@spamatica.se> > > i just started dance mat drumming, and get misc results 8-) > here are my first tries: > > http://galan.sf.net/dancemat.avi Never thought I'd say it but that looks awfully fun 8-}-<-< I just might have to get one... for my kids.. ;) /Robert -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From torbenh at gmx.de Sat Jun 10 05:10:26 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Sat Jun 10 05:12:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Dance Mat Drumming (was Re: Any drummers out there?) In-Reply-To: References: <20060609161641.GB8099@mobilat> <200606091939.19782.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20060610091026.GA8188@mobilat> On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 10:34:37AM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > On 6/10/06, Nigel Henry wrote: > >On Friday 09 June 2006 18:16, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > >Hi Loki. How big is this file? Kget is showing the filesize as 0 B, but has > >downloaded more than 7MB already. I presume it will play on Mplayer. If the > >file is huge, I'll have to move the partial download to the other machine, > >and continue it there, as I wan't to play around with FC5 on this machine, > >as > >it's giving a few problems. > > > >Anyway. Just what is this dance mat drumming? It's not kinky stuff I hope. > > > >Nigel. > > > > Nigel, it's torben not me! Dance dance revolution was never my thing! > Though seeing torben do it will be worth the download... getting it > now ;) this is NOT dance dance revolution. this is an "el cheapo" Stay Cool! dance mat directly connected to gAlan. so i directly trigger events in galan. these events are connected to sample players. thats why i call this dance mat drumming. > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sat Jun 10 06:38:59 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (nigel henry) Date: Sat Jun 10 06:39:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Dance Mat Drumming (was Re: Any drummers out there?) In-Reply-To: <20060610091026.GA8188@mobilat> References: <20060610091026.GA8188@mobilat> Message-ID: <200606101238.59218.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Saturday 10 June 2006 11:10, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 10:34:37AM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > On 6/10/06, Nigel Henry wrote: > > >On Friday 09 June 2006 18:16, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > > > > >Hi Loki. How big is this file? Kget is showing the filesize as 0 B, but > > > has downloaded more than 7MB already. I presume it will play on > > > Mplayer. If the file is huge, I'll have to move the partial download to > > > the other machine, and continue it there, as I wan't to play around > > > with FC5 on this machine, as > > >it's giving a few problems. > > > > > >Anyway. Just what is this dance mat drumming? It's not kinky stuff I > > > hope. > > > > > >Nigel. > > > > Nigel, it's torben not me! Dance dance revolution was never my thing! > > Though seeing torben do it will be worth the download... getting it > > now ;) > > this is NOT dance dance revolution. > this is an "el cheapo" Stay Cool! dance mat directly connected to gAlan. > so i directly trigger events in galan. > > these events are connected to sample players. > > thats why i call this dance mat drumming. Hi torben. It looks great fun. I had been wondering what I could get for my dog, so that he could ask me for things. His paws are a bit big for the midi keyboard. This looks like the answer. Pictures of the different things he likes on the pads, which trigger vocal patches in gAlan. How "el cheapo" is "el cheapo"? And where do you get it from? Nigel. From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sat Jun 10 09:01:36 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sat Jun 10 09:10:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1149944496.6871.10.camel@eviltwin> On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 22:33 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 22:12 -0400, M P Smoak wrote: > > So a company that wanted to have a proprietary connection to linux > > could write an open source blob and a closed connection to the blob > > for their closed hardware/software? ie linux remains useable for > > companies. > > > > Not if the closed part was specifically developed to run on Linux. The > key is whether it's a "derived work" as far as copyright law is > concerned or not. > You can develop a closed package to specifically run on Linux. It is not in violation of the GPL. This is the old Micr$oft "GPL is a cancer" FUD. What you can't do is use GPL code in a closed application. > If there's IP in your hardware than you absolutely cannot risk > disclosing (maybe because you went for trade secret protection rather > than patenting it) you can put the secret part of the driver in > userspace and keep it closed. > > > If not, I'm having a hard time seeing this as a positive situation. > > More like alsa shooting themselves in the foot. > > > > I'm not a programmer or audio pro; just a linux user who advocates > > open source and avenues of co-existence with businesses. > > Read LKML sometime, there are tons of large companies releasing open > source drivers for their hardware - Intel, AMD, IBM, Cisco, Via, > Toshiba, Fujitsu, Veritas, Novell, SGI, plus zillions of smaller > companies like Pathscale, Emulex, Mellanox. For audio there's M-Audio, > RME, AudioScience, EchoAudio, Digigram, etc. I could go on and on - > these are just the ones I know off the top of my head. > M-Audio, RME, AudioScience, EchoAudio, Digigram do not release open source drivers for their hardware. Neither, AFAIK, do any of the companies listed above those (with the possible exception of Novell). What these companies do is make their specs available to the OS community so that the community can write the drivers. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sat Jun 10 09:09:41 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sat Jun 10 09:18:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT - Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149915954.14253.13.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> <448A42AA.9080201@gmail.com> <1149908355.13569.57.camel@mindpipe> <448A4744.20901@gmail.com> <1149910311.13569.71.camel@mindpipe> <448A5DE1.8080203@gmail.com> <1149915954.14253.13.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1149944981.6871.16.camel@eviltwin> On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 01:05 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 22:51 -0700, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > > > Yeah it's unfortunate. Maybe the rise of these cheap knockoffs is what > > > drove a company like Creative, who were one of the first to open their > > > drivers in the mid 1990s, to their current position of not releasing any > > > hardware specs or Linux drivers at all. > > > > Well truth be told, not much has changed quality wise since then;) Ok I > > jest some, but I dont really find creative to be all that great anymore > > myself. Not even a big fan of the EMU line;) > > > > Oh, it sure has changed - it's gone down the shitter. Creative's new > stuff is garbage compared to the SBLive! which IMHO was a brilliant > piece of hardware. > > I wouldn't know about the EMU line because it can't be used with Linux. > > > But that has little to do with your point I suppose. I agree things > > like that above happening are quite unfortunate, though sometimes I > > wonder if there was a bit more to it than just that in their case. > > > > The trend since then has been to make cheap junk cheaper every year and > move as much logic as possible into the driver which makes supporting > Linux more work with each generation of devices. > > It's not just PC hardware, it's the whole damn economy. For example new > houses are bigger and more expensive than ever but they're basically > made of cardboard. Where they used to use 2x4s for interior walls they > use 2x2s now. In 10 years they'll be twice as big, 5x more expensive, > and made out of paper. > Living at ground zero for Katrina (7 blocks off the beach in Long Beach, MS) I can testify to this. I also ran the local harbor surveys for the Navy. The only structures that survived were the old buildings. Bay St. Louis had about 5 buildings near the beach that are still standing - they were all built pre-1940. There was a lot of "corner cutting" going on prior to Katrina. Many of my neighbors 3 tab shingles were put on using only three nails. Needless to say, their roofs were stripped and their ceilings came down early on in the storm. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 10 12:33:19 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Sat Jun 10 12:33:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] streaming dvd audio over wlan In-Reply-To: <1149817312.3894.131.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> <4484D545.3000302@sbcglobal.net> <20060606023216.GA31853@replic.net> <4488D03C.5070502@sbcglobal.net> <1149817312.3894.131.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <448AF44F.2090003@sbcglobal.net> Lee Revell wrote: >On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 20:34 -0500, Brian Dunn wrote: > > >>Also, is jack realy required in this situation, or could i set up a >>dummy pcm channel in alsa to send the audio to from mplayer and to >>read >>it from in ices? (asoundrc?) >> >> > >It's probably possible but why would you want to? JACK is easier. > >Lee > > > > mainly desireable for efficeiency. playing a dvd in m player, running ices, and running jackd all at the same time uses nearly 80% of my poor little PIII 750Mhz processor. not to mention the extera 186ms of delay requred in jackd to avoid xruns. From smoak at mis.net Sat Jun 10 12:51:11 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Sat Jun 10 12:49:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149915954.14253.13.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <448A5DE1.8080203@gmail.com> <1149915954.14253.13.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200606101251.11319.smoak@mis.net> On Saturday 10 June 2006 01:05, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 22:51 -0700, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > > > Yeah it's unfortunate. Maybe the rise of these cheap knockoffs > > > is what drove a company like Creative, who were one of the first > > > to open their drivers in the mid 1990s, to their current position > > > of not releasing any hardware specs or Linux drivers at all. > > > > Well truth be told, not much has changed quality wise since then;) > > Ok I jest some, but I dont really find creative to be all that > > great anymore myself. Not even a big fan of the EMU line;) > > Oh, it sure has changed - it's gone down the shitter. Creative's new > stuff is garbage compared to the SBLive! which IMHO was a brilliant > piece of hardware. > Lee, what's your opinion of the CREATIVE AUDIGY 2 ZS PLATINUM? A buddy and I have been (very slowly) building a replacement for my current SBlive PlanetCCRMA/RH9 machine. We've got all the hardware done now and are getting ready to install PlanetCCRMA/FC5 "soon as we can find the time"... Is this a "good move" audio quality/function wise? TIA for your thoughts. Marv From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jun 10 13:15:52 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jun 10 13:16:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149944496.6871.10.camel@eviltwin> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> <1149944496.6871.10.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <1149959753.14253.27.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 08:01 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 22:33 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 22:12 -0400, M P Smoak wrote: > > > So a company that wanted to have a proprietary connection to linux > > > could write an open source blob and a closed connection to the blob > > > for their closed hardware/software? ie linux remains useable for > > > companies. > > > > > > > Not if the closed part was specifically developed to run on Linux. The > > key is whether it's a "derived work" as far as copyright law is > > concerned or not. > > > > You can develop a closed package to specifically run on Linux. It > is not in violation of the GPL. This is the old Micr$oft "GPL is a > cancer" FUD. What you can't do is use GPL code in a closed application. > I am talking about KERNEL DRIVERS. Please re-read the thread. Of course you can develop a closed USERSPACE package. The kernel is GPL. Drivers are part of the kernel. Therefore you cannot develop a closed source kernel driver. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jun 10 13:16:38 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jun 10 13:16:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <200606101251.11319.smoak@mis.net> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <448A5DE1.8080203@gmail.com> <1149915954.14253.13.camel@mindpipe> <200606101251.11319.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <1149959799.14253.29.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 12:51 -0400, M P Smoak wrote: > On Saturday 10 June 2006 01:05, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 22:51 -0700, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > > > > Yeah it's unfortunate. Maybe the rise of these cheap knockoffs > > > > is what drove a company like Creative, who were one of the first > > > > to open their drivers in the mid 1990s, to their current position > > > > of not releasing any hardware specs or Linux drivers at all. > > > > > > Well truth be told, not much has changed quality wise since then;) > > > Ok I jest some, but I dont really find creative to be all that > > > great anymore myself. Not even a big fan of the EMU line;) > > > > Oh, it sure has changed - it's gone down the shitter. Creative's new > > stuff is garbage compared to the SBLive! which IMHO was a brilliant > > piece of hardware. > > > > Lee, what's your opinion of the CREATIVE AUDIGY 2 ZS PLATINUM? A buddy > and I have been (very slowly) building a replacement for my current > SBlive PlanetCCRMA/RH9 machine. We've got all the hardware done now > and are getting ready to install PlanetCCRMA/FC5 "soon as we can find > the time"... Is this a "good move" audio quality/function wise? TIA > for your thoughts. It's a good card, it's what I have in the machine I am typing this on. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jun 10 13:18:21 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jun 10 13:18:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] streaming dvd audio over wlan In-Reply-To: <448AF44F.2090003@sbcglobal.net> References: <1149550804.22502.5.camel@dsl-62-3-104-34.zen.co.uk> <4484D545.3000302@sbcglobal.net> <20060606023216.GA31853@replic.net> <4488D03C.5070502@sbcglobal.net> <1149817312.3894.131.camel@mindpipe> <448AF44F.2090003@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1149959902.14253.31.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 11:33 -0500, Brian Dunn wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > >On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 20:34 -0500, Brian Dunn wrote: > > > > > >>Also, is jack realy required in this situation, or could i set up a > >>dummy pcm channel in alsa to send the audio to from mplayer and to > >>read > >>it from in ices? (asoundrc?) > >> > >> > > > >It's probably possible but why would you want to? JACK is easier. > > > >Lee > > > > > > > > > mainly desireable for efficeiency. playing a dvd in m player, running > ices, and running jackd all at the same time uses nearly 80% of my poor > little PIII 750Mhz processor. not to mention the extera 186ms of delay > requred in jackd to avoid xruns. > JACK is not going to make much of a difference there - it probably accounts for less than 1% of that CPU load. It sounds like JACK may not be running in realtime mode. Lee From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sat Jun 10 14:08:01 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sat Jun 10 14:17:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149959753.14253.27.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> <1149944496.6871.10.camel@eviltwin> <1149959753.14253.27.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1149962881.9230.0.camel@eviltwin> On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 13:15 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 08:01 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 22:33 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 22:12 -0400, M P Smoak wrote: > > > > So a company that wanted to have a proprietary connection to linux > > > > could write an open source blob and a closed connection to the blob > > > > for their closed hardware/software? ie linux remains useable for > > > > companies. > > > > > > > > > > Not if the closed part was specifically developed to run on Linux. The > > > key is whether it's a "derived work" as far as copyright law is > > > concerned or not. > > > > > > > You can develop a closed package to specifically run on Linux. It > > is not in violation of the GPL. This is the old Micr$oft "GPL is a > > cancer" FUD. What you can't do is use GPL code in a closed application. > > > > I am talking about KERNEL DRIVERS. Please re-read the thread. Of > course you can develop a closed USERSPACE package. > > The kernel is GPL. Drivers are part of the kernel. Therefore you > cannot develop a closed source kernel driver. > What would you call the NVIDIA driver? -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jun 10 14:23:54 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jun 10 14:23:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149962881.9230.0.camel@eviltwin> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> <1149944496.6871.10.camel@eviltwin> <1149959753.14253.27.camel@mindpipe> <1149962881.9230.0.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <1149963835.14253.37.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 13:08 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 13:15 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 08:01 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > > On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 22:33 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 22:12 -0400, M P Smoak wrote: > > > > > So a company that wanted to have a proprietary connection to linux > > > > > could write an open source blob and a closed connection to the blob > > > > > for their closed hardware/software? ie linux remains useable for > > > > > companies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not if the closed part was specifically developed to run on Linux. The > > > > key is whether it's a "derived work" as far as copyright law is > > > > concerned or not. > > > > > > > > > > You can develop a closed package to specifically run on Linux. It > > > is not in violation of the GPL. This is the old Micr$oft "GPL is a > > > cancer" FUD. What you can't do is use GPL code in a closed application. > > > > > > > I am talking about KERNEL DRIVERS. Please re-read the thread. Of > > course you can develop a closed USERSPACE package. > > > > The kernel is GPL. Drivers are part of the kernel. Therefore you > > cannot develop a closed source kernel driver. > > > > What would you call the NVIDIA driver? > > Nvidia driver is a special case - it is not a derived work of the kernel because they use the same binary blob the Windows driver uses. I covered this earlier in the thread. Lee From philicorda at ntlworld.com Sat Jun 10 17:26:37 2006 From: philicorda at ntlworld.com (philicorda) Date: Sat Jun 10 17:23:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio/video production hardware that runs Linux. Message-ID: <1149974797.10716.9.camel@localhost> I've seen some of these posted already. This is the list so far... anyone know any more? MIDAS XL8 (Mixer) Harrison Trion (Mixer) MediaMatrix NION (Audio processing+routing) Korg Oasys Muse Receptor (Vst Host) Lionstracks keyboards Roland RG100 Video Glyph GPM-216 Personal Monitor (Runs Slackware with Jack+alsa!) Plugzilla (Vst host) From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sat Jun 10 17:50:23 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sat Jun 10 17:59:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149963835.14253.37.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> <1149944496.6871.10.camel@eviltwin> <1149959753.14253.27.camel@mindpipe> <1149962881.9230.0.camel@eviltwin> <1149963835.14253.37.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1149976223.10633.2.camel@eviltwin> On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 14:23 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 13:08 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 13:15 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 08:01 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 22:33 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 22:12 -0400, M P Smoak wrote: > > > > > > So a company that wanted to have a proprietary connection to linux > > > > > > could write an open source blob and a closed connection to the blob > > > > > > for their closed hardware/software? ie linux remains useable for > > > > > > companies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not if the closed part was specifically developed to run on Linux. The > > > > > key is whether it's a "derived work" as far as copyright law is > > > > > concerned or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can develop a closed package to specifically run on Linux. It > > > > is not in violation of the GPL. This is the old Micr$oft "GPL is a > > > > cancer" FUD. What you can't do is use GPL code in a closed application. > > > > > > > > > > I am talking about KERNEL DRIVERS. Please re-read the thread. Of > > > course you can develop a closed USERSPACE package. > > > > > > The kernel is GPL. Drivers are part of the kernel. Therefore you > > > cannot develop a closed source kernel driver. > > > > > > > What would you call the NVIDIA driver? > > > > > > Nvidia driver is a special case - it is not a derived work of the kernel > because they use the same binary blob the Windows driver uses. > > I covered this earlier in the thread. > That's merely semantics, you can use any binary blob you want as long as you don't derive from GPL'ed software. It makes absolutely no difference what it was "specifically designed" to run on. This is a matter of copyright law, not coding. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jun 10 18:04:48 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jun 10 18:04:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149976223.10633.2.camel@eviltwin> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> <1149944496.6871.10.camel@eviltwin> <1149959753.14253.27.camel@mindpipe> <1149962881.9230.0.camel@eviltwin> <1149963835.14253.37.camel@mindpipe> <1149976223.10633.2.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <1149977089.14253.88.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 16:50 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 14:23 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > Nvidia driver is a special case - it is not a derived work of the kernel > > because they use the same binary blob the Windows driver uses. > > > > I covered this earlier in the thread. > > > > That's merely semantics, you can use any binary blob you want as > long as you don't derive from GPL'ed software. It makes absolutely no > difference what it was "specifically designed" to run on. This is a > matter of copyright law, not coding. > Um.... of course it's a matter of copyright law, that's what this thread is about. Who said anything about coding? My point was that as far as copyright law is concerned, a driver written for the Linux kernel is a derived work of Linux. Of course I could be wrong as it has not been tested in court, but that seems to be the consensus among the kernel people who have talked to lawyers about it. Lee From loki.davison at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 20:30:29 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sat Jun 10 20:30:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Dance Mat Drumming (was Re: Any drummers out there?) In-Reply-To: <20060610091026.GA8188@mobilat> References: <20060609161641.GB8099@mobilat> <200606091939.19782.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20060610091026.GA8188@mobilat> Message-ID: On 6/10/06, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 10:34:37AM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > On 6/10/06, Nigel Henry wrote: > > >On Friday 09 June 2006 18:16, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > > > > >Hi Loki. How big is this file? Kget is showing the filesize as 0 B, but > has > > >downloaded more than 7MB already. I presume it will play on Mplayer. If > the > > >file is huge, I'll have to move the partial download to the other > machine, > > >and continue it there, as I wan't to play around with FC5 on this > machine, > > >as > > >it's giving a few problems. > > > > > >Anyway. Just what is this dance mat drumming? It's not kinky stuff I > hope. > > > > > >Nigel. > > > > > > > Nigel, it's torben not me! Dance dance revolution was never my thing! > > Though seeing torben do it will be worth the download... getting it > > now ;) > > this is NOT dance dance revolution. > this is an "el cheapo" Stay Cool! dance mat directly connected to gAlan. > so i directly trigger events in galan. > > these events are connected to sample players. > > thats why i call this dance mat drumming. I know ;) It does however remind me of dance dance revolution. Directly connected as in input is translated to midi or something else? From torbenh at gmx.de Sun Jun 11 00:32:40 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Sun Jun 11 00:34:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Dance Mat Drumming (was Re: Any drummers out there?) In-Reply-To: References: <20060609161641.GB8099@mobilat> <200606091939.19782.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20060610091026.GA8188@mobilat> Message-ID: <20060611043240.GA17397@mobilat> On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 10:30:29AM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > On 6/10/06, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > >On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 10:34:37AM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > >> On 6/10/06, Nigel Henry wrote: > >> >On Friday 09 June 2006 18:16, torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > >> > >> >Hi Loki. How big is this file? Kget is showing the filesize as 0 B, but > >has > >> >downloaded more than 7MB already. I presume it will play on Mplayer. If > >the > >> >file is huge, I'll have to move the partial download to the other > >machine, > >> >and continue it there, as I wan't to play around with FC5 on this > >machine, > >> >as > >> >it's giving a few problems. > >> > > >> >Anyway. Just what is this dance mat drumming? It's not kinky stuff I > >hope. > >> > > >> >Nigel. > >> > > >> > >> Nigel, it's torben not me! Dance dance revolution was never my thing! > >> Though seeing torben do it will be worth the download... getting it > >> now ;) > > > >this is NOT dance dance revolution. > >this is an "el cheapo" Stay Cool! dance mat directly connected to gAlan. > >so i directly trigger events in galan. > > > >these events are connected to sample players. > > > >thats why i call this dance mat drumming. > > I know ;) It does however remind me of dance dance revolution. > Directly connected as in input is translated to midi or something > else? the dancemat is a usb-joystick so its events get to /dev/input/js0 galan has a joyport plugin to work with that. for midi one would have to fix/modify aseqjoy... but i think i will rather code a midi output for galan ;) > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sun Jun 11 02:29:27 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sun Jun 11 02:38:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1149977089.14253.88.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> <1149944496.6871.10.camel@eviltwin> <1149959753.14253.27.camel@mindpipe> <1149962881.9230.0.camel@eviltwin> <1149963835.14253.37.camel@mindpipe> <1149976223.10633.2.camel@eviltwin> <1149977089.14253.88.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1150007367.13522.2.camel@eviltwin> On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 18:04 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 16:50 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 14:23 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > > Nvidia driver is a special case - it is not a derived work of the kernel > > > because they use the same binary blob the Windows driver uses. > > > > > > I covered this earlier in the thread. > > > > > > > That's merely semantics, you can use any binary blob you want as > > long as you don't derive from GPL'ed software. It makes absolutely no > > difference what it was "specifically designed" to run on. This is a > > matter of copyright law, not coding. > > > > Um.... of course it's a matter of copyright law, that's what this thread > is about. Who said anything about coding? > > My point was that as far as copyright law is concerned, a driver written > for the Linux kernel is a derived work of Linux. > > Of course I could be wrong as it has not been tested in court, but that > seems to be the consensus among the kernel people who have talked to > lawyers about it. > That's the consensus among kernel people. Not lawyers. Take it to court first. It has zero chance in that venue. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Jun 11 08:27:32 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Jun 11 08:27:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "OK, I Lied" a little joke song recorded with Rosegarden 1.2.3+DSSI+Zyn+hydrogen (to Pete Bessman) In-Reply-To: <20060609095819.GA7321@charly.SWORD> References: <200606090518.23952.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <20060609095819.GA7321@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <200606111327.32867.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 09 June 2006 10:58, Thorsten Wilms was like: > On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 05:18:23AM +0200, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > ftp://ftp.musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/audio/Ok-i-lied-to-Pete-Bessman- > >from-Musix049.ogg Author: Marcos Guglielmetti Woo, I like this lots. Pete didn't turn up at any point in the recording process mysteriously claiming to be ready to do his part? no? > This has a nice mood. But sadly I can understand only fractions of the > singing, because most of the time it can't compete within the mix. Maybe > you could increase the volume, thin out the mix, apply more compression or > do it over with a bit less dramatic expression but clearer articulation. I don't think remixing the vocals is going to help. No I can't understand a word of it, but such considerations have never impaired my appreciation of bands like Can or the Cocteau Twins. Maybe Marcos could simply publish the lyrics, then we could all share in the joke? > The drums seem to be too laid-back, dragging behind the beat a bit. > The snare sounds cutted off in a way that I think doesn't work for this > track. I like the feel, personally. Although I would probably have nudged the whole drum track forward a tad. Nice work Marcos! -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Jun 11 08:37:51 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Jun 11 08:38:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio/video production hardware that runs Linux. In-Reply-To: <1149974797.10716.9.camel@localhost> References: <1149974797.10716.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200606111337.51479.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 10 June 2006 22:26, philicorda was like: > I've seen some of these posted already. This is the list so far... > anyone know any more? > > MIDAS XL8 (Mixer) > Harrison Trion (Mixer) > MediaMatrix NION (Audio processing+routing) > Korg Oasys > Muse Receptor (Vst Host) > Lionstracks keyboards > Roland RG100 Video > Glyph GPM-216 Personal Monitor (Runs Slackware with Jack+alsa!) > Plugzilla (Vst host) The new Allen & Heath mixer also uses a Linux subsystem, sorry don't have details to hand. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jun 11 13:34:10 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jun 11 13:34:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1150007367.13522.2.camel@eviltwin> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> <1149944496.6871.10.camel@eviltwin> <1149959753.14253.27.camel@mindpipe> <1149962881.9230.0.camel@eviltwin> <1149963835.14253.37.camel@mindpipe> <1149976223.10633.2.camel@eviltwin> <1149977089.14253.88.camel@mindpipe> <1150007367.13522.2.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <1150047251.14253.138.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 01:29 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > That's the consensus among kernel people. Not lawyers. Take it to > court first. It has zero chance in that venue. Can you cite any precedents? The kernel people I am referring to have talked to their lawyers about it and the consensus is that a driver is a derived work of the OS that it is developed for. Look at some driver source some day - it's basically impossible to write a driver without using any kernel APIs - driver model, spinlocks, etc. Lee From _ at whats-your.name Sun Jun 11 14:05:47 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (c) Date: Sun Jun 11 14:05:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack crash in alsa_driver_run_cycle Message-ID: <20060611180547.GD29550@replic.net> so i figured i'd finally try to get jack working. since maybe in the past year something has changed to make it not crash after a minute or two of use.. trying to build with portage FEATURES="nostrip" CFLAGS="-ggdb" USE="debug" jack-audio-connection-kit-0.100.7 or 0.9999, compilation fails here: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.0/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: .libs/alsa_driver.o: relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against `alsa_driver_run_cycle' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC without the -ggdb and debug, it will compile, but it crashes in the same or similar function mentioned above... this is with gcc-4.1.0 and alsa 1.0.11, on an ATIIXP/Turion and EchoMia/Athlon64. both running 2.6.16 or .17 (non -rt) with stock config and ALSA disabled in the kernel.. interestingly , compiling everything (jackd, alsa-lib, alsa-driver, glibc, and any jack-using apps) with gcc-3.4.6, the crashes happen much less, but still occasionally. in the kernel messsagelog it says something like (pid 23234: trap divide), where 23234 is the pid of jackd.. this has been happening ever since i switched to amd64 and ive never found a solution...any ideas? From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jun 11 15:10:37 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jun 11 15:10:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack crash in alsa_driver_run_cycle In-Reply-To: <20060611180547.GD29550@replic.net> References: <20060611180547.GD29550@replic.net> Message-ID: <1150053038.14253.148.camel@mindpipe> Please wrap your lines at 80 columns, this is very difficult to read. On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 18:05 +0000, c wrote: > so i figured i'd finally try to get jack working. since maybe in the past year something has changed to make it not crash after a minute or two of use.. > What is the *exact* output when it crashes? I don't remember ever seeing a bug report. > trying to build with portage FEATURES="nostrip" CFLAGS="-ggdb" USE="debug" jack-audio-connection-kit-0.100.7 or 0.9999, compilation fails here: > > /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.0/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: .libs/alsa_driver.o: relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against `alsa_driver_run_cycle' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC > Did you try doing what it says? > without the -ggdb and debug, it will compile, but it crashes in the same or similar function mentioned above... > > this is with gcc-4.1.0 and alsa 1.0.11, on an ATIIXP/Turion and EchoMia/Athlon64. both running 2.6.16 or .17 (non -rt) with stock config and ALSA disabled in the kernel.. > > interestingly , compiling everything (jackd, alsa-lib, alsa-driver, glibc, and any jack-using apps) with gcc-3.4.6, the crashes happen much less, but still occasionally. in the kernel messsagelog it says something like (pid 23234: trap divide), where 23234 is the pid of jackd.. Please provide the exact message from the kernel log and JACK. Lee From capocasa at gmx.net Sun Jun 11 17:01:27 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sun Jun 11 17:05:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Any drummers out there? In-Reply-To: <20060609161641.GB8099@mobilat> References: <20060609161641.GB8099@mobilat> Message-ID: Think you can handle the subtleties of funky drumming with a dance mat? Sounds curious... If you find a way to make dance mats look cool you're in. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Sun Jun 11 17:00:25 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sun Jun 11 17:10:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Any drummers out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <448C8469.10006@gmx.net> Cool, I'll keep that in mind Loki! Got any names for those drummers? Carlo Loki Davison schrieb: > On 6/8/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: >> What's up guys! >> >> Looking for a good MIDI drummer to make some Free music. I've got >> seperate revenue streams set up so expect a percentage. If we work out >> we end up playing huge gigs together. Distribution here: >> >> http://carlocapocasa.com >> >> For a reference, I wanna do stuff that's inspired by stuff like Zapp & >> Roger, check 'Heartbreaker'. >> >> GTK-Gnutella *wink* *wink* >> >> Carlo >> >> PS: Oh yeah, I'll probably play an electric mandolin hooked up to >> ZynAddSubFX bass sounds. >> >> > > I'm sure about 10 of the LADers can help out as guest > drummers/percussionists. If you need any hand drum stuff i'll help. > > Loki > From rtp405 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 11 17:28:16 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Sun Jun 11 17:28:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio/video production hardware that runs Linux. In-Reply-To: <1149974797.10716.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20060611212816.43090.qmail@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- philicorda wrote: > I've seen some of these posted already. This is the > list so far... > anyone know any more? > > MIDAS XL8 (Mixer) > Harrison Trion (Mixer) > MediaMatrix NION (Audio processing+routing) > Korg Oasys > Muse Receptor (Vst Host) > Lionstracks keyboards > Roland RG100 Video > Glyph GPM-216 Personal Monitor (Runs Slackware with > Jack+alsa!) > Plugzilla (Vst host) Yamaha AW 4416; I bought one when they first came out and immediately observed Tux in the boot up display. A couple years later someone informed me that the AW's in fact do run Linux. Yamaha is known to have invested in embedded Linux development with the intention of using it in many musical devices. ron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Jun 11 20:21:24 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Jun 11 20:21:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Audio/video production hardware that runs Linux. In-Reply-To: <1149974797.10716.9.camel@localhost> References: <1149974797.10716.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On 6/11/06, philicorda wrote: > I've seen some of these posted already. This is the list so far... > anyone know any more? > > MIDAS XL8 (Mixer) > Harrison Trion (Mixer) > MediaMatrix NION (Audio processing+routing) > Korg Oasys > Muse Receptor (Vst Host) > Lionstracks keyboards > Roland RG100 Video > Glyph GPM-216 Personal Monitor (Runs Slackware with Jack+alsa!) > Plugzilla (Vst host) > > hartmann neuron (synth) From glauberalex at uol.com.br Mon Jun 12 01:01:44 2006 From: glauberalex at uol.com.br (glauber alex dias prado) Date: Mon Jun 12 01:02:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music notation Message-ID: <1150088504.12292.20.camel@localhost> hello im new to this list, how this is the first time let me introduce myself, im 23 years computer graphic fan and also a music fan, i live in brazil and have one kid and a woman that i love, if someone wants to know more about me you can visit my messed site www.greboide.dahora.net (im still getting the hangs on web producing but im not too much worried about it now). Now im not a musician and this is a skill that i dont know if i can get one day, for now im looking for some info on making midi scores to composite together with my 3d videos that i do using blender. I would really aprecciate if someone could give me some directions on learning these things, first im considering buying a midi keyboard that i consider will make it more dynamic than using the virtual keyboard or a notation editor like the one at rosegarden. i have a relative good system here to make this and most apps are running and i already made some sound/music but nothing that worth it, the apps that i got running and think that can be usefull are theses: jackd ardour xjadeo(for video synchronized playback) jack-rack and ladspa plugins zynaddsubfx jack-dssi-host (fluidsynth,xsynth and hexter) clavier and vkboard freewheeling hydrogen rosegarden perhaps there is more but i think that these ones are enough for now otherwise it can get too much complicated. so my general question is where can i find composing infos like tutorials or whatever but the most important to me is make my own music or perhaps make a partnership with one but i would really like to be able to compound it, thanks for those who can give me some directions. From clemens at ladisch.de Mon Jun 12 07:12:00 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon Jun 12 07:14:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio/video production hardware that runs Linux. In-Reply-To: <1149974797.10716.9.camel@localhost> References: <1149974797.10716.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20060612111200.GA17565@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> philicorda wrote: > anyone know any more? > > Roland RG100 Video and several other models: Clemens From fbar at footils.org Mon Jun 12 07:27:01 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon Jun 12 07:27:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music notation In-Reply-To: <1150088504.12292.20.camel@localhost> References: <1150088504.12292.20.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20060612112700.GC8510@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado wrote: > Now im not a musician and this is a skill that i dont know if i can get > one day, for now im looking for some info on making midi scores to > composite together with my 3d videos that i do using blender. > > I would really aprecciate if someone could give me some directions on > learning these things, first im considering buying a midi keyboard that > i consider will make it more dynamic than using the virtual keyboard or > a notation editor like the one at rosegarden. > > i have a relative good system here to make this and most apps are > running and i already made some sound/music but nothing that worth it, > the apps that i got running and think that can be usefull are theses: > jackd > ardour ... You missing Pd in you list of applications here. Pd may be of special interest to you, because it also includes extensions to do 3D-graphics and combine both sound and the graphics. You can read more about Pd at www.puredata.info Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 07:33:49 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Jun 12 07:34:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: music notation In-Reply-To: <20060612112700.GC8510@fliwatut.scifi> References: <1150088504.12292.20.camel@localhost> <20060612112700.GC8510@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: On 6/12/06, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado wrote: > > > Now im not a musician and this is a skill that i dont know if i can get > > one day, for now im looking for some info on making midi scores to > > composite together with my 3d videos that i do using blender. > > > > I would really aprecciate if someone could give me some directions on > > learning these things, first im considering buying a midi keyboard that > > i consider will make it more dynamic than using the virtual keyboard or > > a notation editor like the one at rosegarden. > > > > i have a relative good system here to make this and most apps are > > running and i already made some sound/music but nothing that worth it, > > the apps that i got running and think that can be usefull are theses: > > jackd > > ardour > ... > > You missing Pd in you list of applications here. Pd may be of special > interest to you, because it also includes extensions to do 3D-graphics > and combine both sound and the graphics. You can read more about Pd at > www.puredata.info > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > I am unshocked frank ;) I may have to mention om then ;) And combining khagan and fluxes for 3d graphics. Loki From lars.luthman at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 07:56:09 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Mon Jun 12 07:56:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] GLASHCtl 0.2 Message-ID: <1150113369.8864.8.camel@localhost> GLASHCtl is a control applet for LASH. This is the first release. Other than my code it contains eggtrayicon.h and eggtrayicon.c (by Anders Carlsson and Jean-Yves Lefort), taken from libegg, and the LASH icon (by Thorsten Wilms) from the LASH project. A patch from Florian Schmidt, adding session renaming and directory switching, has also been applied. Get it at http://dino.nongnu.org/glashctl Attaching README: GLASHCTL ======================================================================= This is a simple applet for controlling the LASH Audio Session Handler. When you run it it will appear as a small LASH icon in your "notification area" or "system tray" (if your desktop manager is compatible with freedesktop.org's "System tray" standard, http://www.freedesktop.org/Standards/systemtray-spec). This is typically somewhere in the panel in KDE or GNOME. BUILDING IT ============================================================ To build this program you will need the following libraries: * libgtkmm (2.6.4 or newer) * libvte (0.11.15 or newer) * liblash (0.5.1 or newer) You will also need to have the LASH server, lashd, somewhere in your $PATH. To build the program with the default configuration (install in /usr/local, compile with -g -O2 etc), simply type 'make' in this directory. If you want to change the configuration, use the configure script (run configure --help for details). When you type 'make' a program called glashctl should be generated, and when you type 'make install' it should be installed on your system. You need to install it before you run it, otherwise it won't find the LASH icon file and will not start. USING IT ============================================================ To use the applet, simply run the program. If you have a standards-compliant system tray on your desktop a small LASH icon (a cardboard box with a soundwave on it) should appear there. It is probably insensitive (greyed out), unless you were already running lashd or have the LASH_START_SERVER environment variable set to 1. If you right-click the icon a menu will pop up where you can choose to start lashd. When lashd has started the icon should become sensitive (show colours), and you will be able to restore audio sessions, and when there is an active session, save it, close it, rename it or change its directory. You can also quit the applet from the popup menu. You can also left-click the icon to open a message window that shows information about the events received from lashd. NOTES ============================================================ The LASH icon was created by Thorsten Wilms for the LASH project (http://lash.nongnu.org). I know that the GNOME HIG discourages using the notification area for permanent icons and icons that have actions other than just opening a window associated with them, but until there is a standard for writing normal panel applets that work in both KDE and GNOME and in other window managers I'll do it anyway. Send bug reports and suggestions to Lars Luthman, lars.luthman@gmail.com -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you right-click the icon a menu will > pop up > where you can choose to start lashd. When lashd has started the icon > should You should maybe add that this will only work when jack is already started or JACK_START_SERVER is set in the environment. I haven't tried the 0.2 release, but the dev version i still run doesn't produce an error dialog if lashd failed to start. Maybe it should? Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From glauberalex at uol.com.br Mon Jun 12 11:40:28 2006 From: glauberalex at uol.com.br (glauber alex dias prado) Date: Mon Jun 12 11:41:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music notation In-Reply-To: <20060612112700.GC8510@fliwatut.scifi> References: <1150088504.12292.20.camel@localhost> <20060612112700.GC8510@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1150126828.17010.3.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 13:27 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado wrote: > what does this mean ^^^ ? i hope is something good > > Now im not a musician and this is a skill that i dont know if i can get > > one day, for now im looking for some info on making midi scores to > > composite together with my 3d videos that i do using blender. > > > > I would really aprecciate if someone could give me some directions on > > learning these things, first im considering buying a midi keyboard that > > i consider will make it more dynamic than using the virtual keyboard or > > a notation editor like the one at rosegarden. > > > > i have a relative good system here to make this and most apps are > > running and i already made some sound/music but nothing that worth it, > > the apps that i got running and think that can be usefull are theses: > > jackd > > ardour > ... > > You missing Pd in you list of applications here. Pd may be of special > interest to you, because it also includes extensions to do 3D-graphics > and combine both sound and the graphics. You can read more about Pd at > www.puredata.info > > Ciao thanks for a another piece of software i tried it and looks interesting can i use a kind of automated process to generate audio from a pre-processed video or i should do it manually in fact i didnt get the hangs of it so far but i am looking at it manual right now so maybe i can answer this alone, thanks for the info. regards Glauber. From glauberalex at uol.com.br Mon Jun 12 11:43:26 2006 From: glauberalex at uol.com.br (glauber alex dias prado) Date: Mon Jun 12 11:44:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: music notation In-Reply-To: References: <1150088504.12292.20.camel@localhost> <20060612112700.GC8510@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1150127006.17008.7.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 21:33 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > On 6/12/06, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > Hallo, > > glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado wrote: > > > > > Now im not a musician and this is a skill that i dont know if i can get > > > one day, for now im looking for some info on making midi scores to > > > composite together with my 3d videos that i do using blender. > > > > > > I would really aprecciate if someone could give me some directions on > > > learning these things, first im considering buying a midi keyboard that > > > i consider will make it more dynamic than using the virtual keyboard or > > > a notation editor like the one at rosegarden. > > > > > > i have a relative good system here to make this and most apps are > > > running and i already made some sound/music but nothing that worth it, > > > the apps that i got running and think that can be usefull are theses: > > > jackd > > > ardour > > ... > > > > You missing Pd in you list of applications here. Pd may be of special > > interest to you, because it also includes extensions to do 3D-graphics > > and combine both sound and the graphics. You can read more about Pd at > > www.puredata.info > > > > Ciao > > -- > > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > > > > I am unshocked frank ;) I may have to mention om then ;) And combining > khagan and fluxes for 3d graphics. > > Loki i was looking at fluxus today and it also is very interesting but by the time now im not so interested in making graphics realtime i want to make sound for pre-rendered video so fluxus is going to be at a next step i think, but what is this khagan? i will try to find something about it thanks. From ivalladolidt at terra.es Mon Jun 12 12:15:51 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Mon Jun 12 12:16:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digital mixer suggestions Message-ID: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> I am thinking of getting a digital mixer. My first choice is a Roland VM-3100 but digital connection to the computer is not via ADAT or TDIF but via proprietary RPC connection. A RPC-1 card is needed in the computer and I guess that this card is not Linux compliant. Any chance to use this one with Linux? Any other digital mixer suggestion plus interface supported by Linux on this price range (about 200 eur on eBay!)? Cordially, ISmael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From fbar at footils.org Mon Jun 12 12:16:57 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon Jun 12 12:17:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music notation In-Reply-To: <1150126828.17010.3.camel@localhost> References: <1150088504.12292.20.camel@localhost> <20060612112700.GC8510@fliwatut.scifi> <1150126828.17010.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20060612161657.GA23481@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado wrote: > On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 13:27 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado wrote: > > > what does this mean ^^^ ? i hope is something good "hat gesagt" is just german for "wrote" or rather for "said". ;) I often reply to german mails and I'm too lazy to change this line everytime. > thanks for a another piece of software i tried it and looks interesting > can i use a kind of automated process to generate audio from a > pre-processed video or i should do it manually in fact i didnt get the > hangs of it so far but i am looking at it manual right now so maybe i > can answer this alone, thanks for the info. Pd is a realtime system (currently). It can record its own output to a soundfile as well, but it always records in realtime. It's hard to say if it is of use for your current needs, because I don't really understood what exactly you want to achieve. If you just want to write a midi file, then a midi editor like Muse or Rosegarden is the better tool. With Pd/Gem or PDP you could realize more "strange" ideas, like analyzing a video file on the fly and make sounds from it, or use it as a sound engine for your Blender movies. You could get some ideas for sounds in Pd here: http://obiwannabe.co.uk/padawan12/onlinetutorials/html/tutorials_main.html Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From seablaede at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 14:34:13 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Mon Jun 12 13:30:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> References: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> Message-ID: <448DB3A5.2080804@gmail.com> > I am thinking of getting a digital mixer. My first choice is a Roland > VM-3100 but digital connection to the computer is not via ADAT or TDIF > but via proprietary RPC connection. A RPC-1 card is needed in the > computer and I guess that this card is not Linux compliant. > > Any chance to use this one with Linux? Any other digital mixer > suggestion plus interface supported by Linux on this price range > (about 200 eur on eBay!)? The VM3100Pro/RPC-1 will work with the ICE1712 driver. It is however to terribly stable in my experience running at 96kHz at anywhere near low latency(It was one of the first 96kHz boards that I was aware of, and at low latencies I couldnt get it to stable without dropouts etc). I also had a few other problems with it on occasion in as far as playing non 44.1 or 48 sample rates, however that was only on occasion and really depended on my install leading me to believe I missed a step somewhere on those occasion in setting it up. Obviously you would want to use envy24control with it. I never tried mapping the Midi, I still have it laying around my house so I may try to map it as a midi controller sometime. Note that the Pres are pretty noisy and not all that good in general, you would probably do better buying a cheap 100 dollar Art Pre or something to that effect. Key word there is of course Probably. Seablade From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Jun 12 13:47:57 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Jun 12 13:48:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> References: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> Message-ID: Depending on what you using it for I'd suggest simply using a multichannel card and ardour on low latency, coupled with a MIDI control board. At the very least for the pure spiritual beauty of it. And for Paul! Carlo From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Mon Jun 12 18:51:54 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Mon Jun 12 19:01:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1150047251.14253.138.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> <1149944496.6871.10.camel@eviltwin> <1149959753.14253.27.camel@mindpipe> <1149962881.9230.0.camel@eviltwin> <1149963835.14253.37.camel@mindpipe> <1149976223.10633.2.camel@eviltwin> <1149977089.14253.88.camel@mindpipe> <1150007367.13522.2.camel@eviltwin> <1150047251.14253.138.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1150152714.30257.17.camel@eviltwin> On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 13:34 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 01:29 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > That's the consensus among kernel people. Not lawyers. Take it to > > court first. It has zero chance in that venue. > > Can you cite any precedents? > > The kernel people I am referring to have talked to their lawyers about > it and the consensus is that a driver is a derived work of the OS that > it is developed for. > If the driver is part of the kernel then that is true. If it is a module then it isn't. The whole thing is moot though until someone takes it to court. I seriously doubt that anyone will be willing to try to win that battle when they face the possibility of losing and being counter sued for court and legal costs. > Look at some driver source some day - it's basically impossible to write > a driver without using any kernel APIs - driver model, spinlocks, etc. > My understanding of the NVIDIA driver is that it uses an open module to work with a closed module (BLOB). What you have been saying is that the intent of the vendor to only develop the closed module for Linux makes it a violation of the GPL and this is obviously not true. There is no infringement in the closed module. They're not using any GPL'ed code. This is why we have binary modules now. At any rate, as I said above, until someone wants to take it to court it doesn't matter. NVIDIA will continue to make closed drivers and so will other vendors. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jun 12 19:12:01 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jun 12 19:12:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1150152714.30257.17.camel@eviltwin> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> <1149944496.6871.10.camel@eviltwin> <1149959753.14253.27.camel@mindpipe> <1149962881.9230.0.camel@eviltwin> <1149963835.14253.37.camel@mindpipe> <1149976223.10633.2.camel@eviltwin> <1149977089.14253.88.camel@mindpipe> <1150007367.13522.2.camel@eviltwin> <1150047251.14253.138.camel@mindpipe> <1150152714.30257.17.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <1150153922.3062.69.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 17:51 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 13:34 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 01:29 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > > That's the consensus among kernel people. Not lawyers. Take it to > > > court first. It has zero chance in that venue. > > > > Can you cite any precedents? > > > > The kernel people I am referring to have talked to their lawyers about > > it and the consensus is that a driver is a derived work of the OS that > > it is developed for. > > > > If the driver is part of the kernel then that is true. If it is a > module then it isn't. The whole thing is moot though until someone > takes it to court. I seriously doubt that anyone will be willing to try > to win that battle when they face the possibility of losing and being > counter sued for court and legal costs. > Built-in vs. module is irrelevant - modules are linked into the kernel at runtime. See: http://kerneltrap.org/node/4674 http://lwn.net/2001/1025/a/module-license.php3 http://lwn.net/Articles/154602/ > > > Look at some driver source some day - it's basically impossible to write > > a driver without using any kernel APIs - driver model, spinlocks, etc. > > > > My understanding of the NVIDIA driver is that it uses an open module > to work with a closed module (BLOB). What you have been saying is that > the intent of the vendor to only develop the closed module for Linux > makes it a violation of the GPL and this is obviously not true. There > is no infringement in the closed module. They're not using any GPL'ed > code. This is why we have binary modules now. At any rate, as I said > above, until someone wants to take it to court it doesn't matter. > NVIDIA will continue to make closed drivers and so will other vendors. > As I've stated many times I am not talking about the nvidia driver. That is legal because the binary part cannot be a derived work as it was developed for another OS. Lee From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 19:17:37 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Jun 12 19:17:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: music notation In-Reply-To: <1150127006.17008.7.camel@localhost> References: <1150088504.12292.20.camel@localhost> <20060612112700.GC8510@fliwatut.scifi> <1150127006.17008.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On 6/13/06, glauber alex dias prado wrote: > On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 21:33 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > On 6/12/06, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > > Hallo, > > > glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado wrote: > > > > > > > Now im not a musician and this is a skill that i dont know if i can > get > > > > one day, for now im looking for some info on making midi scores to > > > > composite together with my 3d videos that i do using blender. > > > > > > > > I would really aprecciate if someone could give me some directions on > > > > learning these things, first im considering buying a midi keyboard > that > > > > i consider will make it more dynamic than using the virtual keyboard > or > > > > a notation editor like the one at rosegarden. > > > > > > > > i have a relative good system here to make this and most apps are > > > > running and i already made some sound/music but nothing that worth it, > > > > the apps that i got running and think that can be usefull are theses: > > > > jackd > > > > ardour > > > ... > > > > > > You missing Pd in you list of applications here. Pd may be of special > > > interest to you, because it also includes extensions to do 3D-graphics > > > and combine both sound and the graphics. You can read more about Pd at > > > www.puredata.info > > > > > > Ciao > > > -- > > > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > > > > > > > I am unshocked frank ;) I may have to mention om then ;) And combining > > khagan and fluxes for 3d graphics. > > > > Loki > i was looking at fluxus today and it also is very interesting but by the > time now im not so interested in making graphics realtime i want to make > sound for pre-rendered video so fluxus is going to be at a next step i > think, but what is this khagan? > i will try to find something about it thanks. > Khagan is an OSC controller. I.e fluxus is controlled by osc messages, like midi but more flexible and powerful. Khagan is one of the many ways to generate these messages. If you have a graphics tablet khagan can convert graphics tablet input to osc. Loki p.s. 3 - 1 australia beat japan! YAY! ;) From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Jun 12 22:24:41 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Jun 12 22:24:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Tidbit: The Midas XL8 uses Linux In-Reply-To: <1150153922.3062.69.camel@mindpipe> References: <1149656914.11308.10.camel@jordan.nash.net> <1149879316.8832.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149880433.3894.238.camel@mindpipe> <200606092212.13770.smoak@mis.net> <1149906794.13569.43.camel@mindpipe> <1149944496.6871.10.camel@eviltwin> <1149959753.14253.27.camel@mindpipe> <1149962881.9230.0.camel@eviltwin> <1149963835.14253.37.camel@mindpipe> <1149976223.10633.2.camel@eviltwin> <1149977089.14253.88.camel@mindpipe> <1150007367.13522.2.camel@eviltwin> <1150047251.14253.138.camel@mindpipe> <1150152714.30257.17.camel@eviltwin> <1150153922.3062.69.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1150165481.1765.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 19:12 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 17:51 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 13:34 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 01:29 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > > > > That's the consensus among kernel people. Not lawyers. Take it to > > > > court first. It has zero chance in that venue. > > > > > > Can you cite any precedents? > > > > > > The kernel people I am referring to have talked to their lawyers about > > > it and the consensus is that a driver is a derived work of the OS that > > > it is developed for. > > > > > > > If the driver is part of the kernel then that is true. If it is a > > module then it isn't. The whole thing is moot though until someone > > takes it to court. I seriously doubt that anyone will be willing to try > > to win that battle when they face the possibility of losing and being > > counter sued for court and legal costs. > > > > Built-in vs. module is irrelevant - modules are linked into the kernel > at runtime. although i agree with almost everything lee has said here, i have to admit that the GPL leaves a gray (or grey) zone here. i think it likely that because drivers inevitably end up utilizing significant chunks of kernel infrastructure, they will be considered "derivative works" by a court, and this is the legal consensus so far across the GPL community. but the GPL does appear to leave room for run-time linkage against shared objects whose functionality is not "central" to the operation of the program. i've talked to RMS several times about this, and regrettably, GPL 3.0 so far does not appear to be clarifying the intent in this area. it is important that this be clarified, because it matters a great deal to any apps using media plugins in closed-sourced formats. for things like VST etc, Lee's point that the binary blob was written for a different platform is relevant, but consider the example of someone who wanted to write a non-GPL'ed backend for JACK, or if a VJ app provided a plugin API and someone want to write a non-GPL'ed plugin using it. in the case of the kernel, the number of copyright holders pretty much requires that any legal decision on the issue falls on the conservative side - much easier to say "drivers are derivative works" than say "drivers are not" and run into further legislation from specific copyright holders who object to the decision. --p From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 22:23:26 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Tue Jun 13 03:17:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "OK, I Lied" a little joke song recorded with Rosegarden 1.2.3+DSSI+Zyn+hydrogen (to Pete Bessman) In-Reply-To: <200606111327.32867.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <200606090518.23952.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <20060609095819.GA7321@charly.SWORD> <200606111327.32867.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <200606130423.26667.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El Domingo, 11 de Junio de 2006 14:27, tim hall escribi?: > On Friday 09 June 2006 10:58, Thorsten Wilms was like: > > On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 05:18:23AM +0200, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > > ftp://ftp.musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/audio/Ok-i-lied-to-Pete-Bessma > > >n- from-Musix049.ogg Author: Marcos Guglielmetti > > Woo, I like this lots. Pete didn't turn up at any point in the recording > process mysteriously claiming to be ready to do his part? no? No, I am very sorry, I waited him but he was too late for the recording session :D, so my english is and was too bad :D > > > This has a nice mood. But sadly I can understand only fractions of the > > singing, because most of the time it can't compete within the mix. Maybe > > you could increase the volume, thin out the mix, apply more compression > > or do it over with a bit less dramatic expression but clearer > > articulation. > > I don't think remixing the vocals is going to help. No I can't understand a > word of it, but such considerations have never impaired my appreciation of > bands like Can or the Cocteau Twins. Maybe Marcos could simply publish the > lyrics, then we could all share in the joke? I should make public all those things, I will next time... but the singer is almost sleeping, like a depressive man, so the voice has to be something special, low volume > > The drums seem to be too laid-back, dragging behind the beat a bit. > > The snare sounds cutted off in a way that I think doesn't work for this > > track. > > I like the feel, personally. Although I would probably have nudged the > whole drum track forward a tad. > > Nice work Marcos! Well, thanks a lot, now I am happy, I should use specimen the next time: the last version works fantastic! -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * Descarga el CD de Musix: (www.musix.org.ar) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue Jun 13 03:48:43 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Jun 13 03:48:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: <448DB3A5.2080804@gmail.com> References: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> <448DB3A5.2080804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060613074842.GC2656@spma33> Thomas Vecchione escribe: > The VM3100Pro/RPC-1 will work with the ICE1712 driver. It is however to > terribly stable in my experience running at 96kHz at anywhere near low > latency(It was one of the first 96kHz boards that I was aware of, and at > low latencies I couldnt get it to stable without dropouts etc). I also > had a few other problems with it on occasion in as far as playing non > 44.1 or 48 sample rates, however that was only on occasion and really > depended on my install leading me to believe I missed a step somewhere > on those occasion in setting it up. I still never knew a reason for working at 96kHZ. Maybe now that I enjoy a powerful enough computer I find it! > Obviously you would want to use envy24control with it. I never tried > mapping the Midi, I still have it laying around my house so I may try to > map it as a midi controller sometime. Note that the Pres are pretty > noisy and not all that good in general, you would probably do better > buying a cheap 100 dollar Art Pre or something to that effect. Key word > there is of course Probably. A multi input soundcard and a JoeMeek pre is my other choice and maybe I'll go for it. I had a VC3Q in the past and recorded sooo lovely... Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue Jun 13 03:49:26 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Jun 13 03:49:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> Message-ID: <20060613074926.GD2656@spma33> Carlo Capocasa escribe: > Depending on what you using it for I'd suggest simply using a > multichannel card and ardour on low latency, coupled with a MIDI control > board. At the very least for the pure spiritual beauty of it. And for Paul! An M-Audio Delta 44 maybe? I'd like to have more than 2 outputs in order to use external processors. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Jun 13 06:30:38 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Jun 13 06:30:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: <20060613074926.GD2656@spma33> References: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> <20060613074926.GD2656@spma33> Message-ID: I would use something that includes Mic Pres because it reduces complexity in the analog signal chain. I just asked Apogee if their Ensemble device supports the Bebob FireWire standard. It costs $2000, but check this out: Four Apogee Microphone Pre-Amps Eight Apogee A/D converters Eight Apogee D/A converters Firewire (makes for good latency performance) If you get one of these it is probably the only Audio interface you will need to buy in the next ten years. Carlo Ismael Valladolid Torres schrieb: > Carlo Capocasa escribe: >> Depending on what you using it for I'd suggest simply using a >> multichannel card and ardour on low latency, coupled with a MIDI control >> board. At the very least for the pure spiritual beauty of it. And for Paul! > > An M-Audio Delta 44 maybe? I'd like to have more than 2 outputs in > order to use external processors. > > Cordially, Ismael From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue Jun 13 06:35:24 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Jun 13 06:35:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> <20060613074926.GD2656@spma33> Message-ID: <20060613103523.GA1104@spma33> Carlo Capocasa escribe: > I would use something that includes Mic Pres because it reduces > complexity in the analog signal chain. > > I just asked Apogee if their Ensemble device supports the Bebob FireWire > standard. It costs $2000, but check this out: > > Four Apogee Microphone Pre-Amps > Eight Apogee A/D converters > Eight Apogee D/A converters > Firewire (makes for good latency performance) > > If you get one of these it is probably the only Audio interface you will > need to buy in the next ten years. For sure but Apogee is out of budget. :) Any suggestion on USB kind of M-Audio, Edirol, Presonus... Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue Jun 13 07:11:14 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Jun 13 07:11:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem Message-ID: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> I just installed Ubuntu Dapper Drake. I am trying to hear previews browsing the Freesound web page using the bundled Firefox, but nothing's heard. It works fine here on W2K with Mozilla. ALSA works fine. I can download the samples and play them using aplay. Anything else needs to be installed or set up? Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From alewis at systemsfusion.com Tue Jun 13 07:15:04 2006 From: alewis at systemsfusion.com (Andrew Lewis) Date: Tue Jun 13 07:15:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> Message-ID: <200606131315.04800.alewis@systemsfusion.com> On Tuesday 13 June 2006 13:11, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > ALSA works fine. I can download the samples and play them using aplay. I think the problem is that Firefox doesn't know about ALSA (it uses OSS, or ALSA's OSS emulation). It should work if nothing is using your sound device when you startup Firefox. -AL. From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue Jun 13 07:20:53 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Jun 13 07:20:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <200606131315.04800.alewis@systemsfusion.com> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> <200606131315.04800.alewis@systemsfusion.com> Message-ID: <20060613112053.GA1104@spma33> Andrew Lewis escribe: > On Tuesday 13 June 2006 13:11, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > ALSA works fine. I can download the samples and play them using aplay. > > I think the problem is that Firefox doesn't know about ALSA (it uses OSS, or > ALSA's OSS emulation). It should work if nothing is using your sound device > when you startup Firefox. Maybe ALSA's OSS emulation's not loaded, I'll give a try. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From seablaede at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 10:35:56 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Tue Jun 13 09:31:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> <20060613074926.GD2656@spma33> Message-ID: <448ECD4C.4020402@gmail.com> > > I just asked Apogee if their Ensemble device supports the Bebob FireWire standard. It costs $2000, but check this out: Uh just for clarification, what did apogee say in response to that question? If it does I may have to look at it myself;) Seablade From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Jun 13 11:48:44 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Jun 13 11:49:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: <448ECD4C.4020402@gmail.com> References: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> <20060613074926.GD2656@spma33> <448ECD4C.4020402@gmail.com> Message-ID: Of course it still unanswered, or I would have mentioned it. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Jun 13 12:03:41 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Jun 13 12:04:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: <20060613103523.GA1104@spma33> References: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> <20060613074926.GD2656@spma33> <20060613103523.GA1104@spma33> Message-ID: I would go for firewire if anything for latency reasons. For example, there is the six channel ESI Quatafire with two Mic preamps. It's tiny. Also, the eight channel Roland Edirol 110 firewire, also with two Mic preamps. Both around $600. I have a hunch that ESI has better converter quality. Carlo From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jun 13 12:16:01 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jun 13 12:16:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> Message-ID: <1150215361.19205.14.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 13:11 +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > I just installed Ubuntu Dapper Drake. I am trying to hear previews > browsing the Freesound web page using the bundled Firefox, but > nothing's heard. It works fine here on W2K with Mozilla. > > ALSA works fine. I can download the samples and play them using aplay. > > Anything else needs to be installed or set up? How are the sounds provided? Flash, MP3, .wav etc? I don't think Firefox can play sound by itself. Which plugin is being used? Mplayer, totem, ? Lee From j_zar at openjay.org Tue Jun 13 19:23:00 2006 From: j_zar at openjay.org (J_Zar) Date: Tue Jun 13 12:22:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] OpenJay needs you! Help request Message-ID: <200606131823.00343.j_zar@openjay.org> Hi to all Linux Audio Users / Developers... I would like to stress my help request so I forward this mail to give some more attention... OpenJay.org is an opensource DJ site where you can find information and programs for djing and playing music with opensource software. OpenJay.org has been established 3 - 4 years ago. OpenJay.org has been recently updated to the Joomla web platform. The new graphic design has been coded by me around some past artwork of Ayo [http://www.73lab.com] (thanks Ayo!). During the upgrade there were some data which I can't save: unluckily the whole download repository. This is not necessarily a bad thing: repository was outdated and somewhere broken. However the point is that I really need some help to build it again. So I ask you to consider the idea of registering an account at OpenJay.org and submitting downloads that you know in the proper categories (Please do! Please!). (Please, use file upload only if needed! If not needed link to the download page of the item...) But this is not the only thing I need. I'm looking for people... and probably...for you! Hereunder, the short list of people and things I'm looking for... - users to reconstruct and improve the download repository - 1 or more moderators for the Forum - 1 or more operators for the IRC channel - 1 or more article / news contributors and software testers You should consider the following notes: - the more we are, the better it is; - duty and help may be discontinue and this is a personal promise not a contract! - OpenJay.org does not require a 24h duty but probably a couple of hours per week and no more Please help me (and you at the same time)! ;-P Ciao -- ---------------------------- Gianluca Romanin (aka J_Zar) ---------------------------- OpenJay.org Webmaster ---------------------------- From glauberalex at uol.com.br Tue Jun 13 12:31:38 2006 From: glauberalex at uol.com.br (glauber alex dias prado) Date: Tue Jun 13 12:32:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music notation In-Reply-To: <20060612161657.GA23481@fliwatut.scifi> References: <1150088504.12292.20.camel@localhost> <20060612112700.GC8510@fliwatut.scifi> <1150126828.17010.3.camel@localhost> <20060612161657.GA23481@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1150216298.17010.25.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 18:16 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado wrote: > > > On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 13:27 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > > glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado wrote: > > > > > what does this mean ^^^ ? i hope is something good > > "hat gesagt" is just german for "wrote" or rather for "said". ;) I > often reply to german mails and I'm too lazy to change this line > everytime. > > > thanks for a another piece of software i tried it and looks interesting > > can i use a kind of automated process to generate audio from a > > pre-processed video or i should do it manually in fact i didnt get the > > hangs of it so far but i am looking at it manual right now so maybe i > > can answer this alone, thanks for the info. > > Pd is a realtime system (currently). It can record its own output to a > soundfile as well, but it always records in realtime. > > It's hard to say if it is of use for your current needs, because I > don't really understood what exactly you want to achieve. If you just > want to write a midi file, then a midi editor like Muse or Rosegarden > is the better tool. With Pd/Gem or PDP you could realize more > "strange" ideas, like analyzing a video file on the fly and make > sounds from it, or use it as a sound engine for your Blender movies. > You could get some ideas for sounds in Pd here: > http://obiwannabe.co.uk/padawan12/onlinetutorials/html/tutorials_main.html > > Ciao a lot of thanks Frank Barknecht this puredata is really amazing and fits well on my needs, im trying to learn it and is really promising in my opinion, i just dont know how many years i will have to have to learn to make what i want but it is very cool, you helped me thanks From julien at c-lab.de Tue Jun 13 12:43:55 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue Jun 13 12:44:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Any drummers out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Carlo! I definitely like drumming on my midi-keyboard. But do I get this right? You need someone to do a midi-drumtrack on any kind of linux-software, with most probable free sounds? Or are you also interested in audiotracks? If some livestreaming access to the net is required I'm out of it completely, for I've no net at home. Kindest regards Julien P.S.: Btw.: I do almost all of my drumming live without step-sequencing. -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From fbar at footils.org Tue Jun 13 13:16:13 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Jun 13 13:16:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music notation In-Reply-To: <1150216298.17010.25.camel@localhost> References: <1150088504.12292.20.camel@localhost> <20060612112700.GC8510@fliwatut.scifi> <1150126828.17010.3.camel@localhost> <20060612161657.GA23481@fliwatut.scifi> <1150216298.17010.25.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20060613171613.GG14576@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado wrote: > a lot of thanks Frank Barknecht this puredata is really amazing and fits > well on my needs, im trying to learn it and is really promising in my > opinion, i just dont know how many years i will have to have to learn to > make what i want but it is very cool, you helped me thanks About 3 years should be a good start. ;) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue Jun 13 09:31:10 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Jun 13 13:17:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <200606131315.04800.alewis@systemsfusion.com> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> <200606131315.04800.alewis@systemsfusion.com> Message-ID: <20060613133110.GB1104@spma33> Andrew Lewis escribe: > It should work if nothing is using your sound device when you > startup Firefox. Yes, it does. Thanks. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From julien at c-lab.de Tue Jun 13 13:21:06 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue Jun 13 13:21:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] experience with doggiebox Message-ID: Hi all! Sorry for crossposting, but I wasn't sure, who could answer it more apropriately. Does anyone of you ever have had experience with doggiebox http://www.doggiebox.com Is the format of their drumkits known? It seems to me this software is kind of free. And they seem to have a few nice and free kits. Thus I thought perhaps one could convert them to hydrogen or soundfont. It looked straight forward enough. Any ideas, hints, whatever? Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jun 13 13:27:14 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jun 13 13:27:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <20060613133110.GB1104@spma33> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> <200606131315.04800.alewis@systemsfusion.com> <20060613133110.GB1104@spma33> Message-ID: <1150219634.19205.32.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 15:31 +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Andrew Lewis escribe: > > It should work if nothing is using your sound device when you > > startup Firefox. > > Yes, it does. Thanks. That's definitely a bug. Nothing should be using OSS in a modern distro, especially if we have the source and can fix it. Can you file a bug report in Malone? Try setting FIREFOX_DSP to "aoss" in /etc/firefox/firefoxrc. Lee From public at 0x09.com Tue Jun 13 14:24:35 2006 From: public at 0x09.com (I. E. Smith-Heisters) Date: Tue Jun 13 14:24:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel HDA and Jack Message-ID: Hi all, I'm having problems with my Intel HD Audio chipset and jack, and was wondering if any of you might have some tips. I'm running Ubuntu Dapper, and everything works fine out of the box. ESD works, aplay works, etc.. When I start jackd the xruns fly by about as fast as they can. If I start it with RT enabled, it just times out and crashes. I've experimented with lots of different flags, but this is an example: jackd -dhw:0 -p256 -r48000 -n2 Of course, the snd-hda-intel module is loaded, or basic alsa stuff wouldn't work. Also, I've been sure to start in fluxbox and do a 'ps ax' just to be sure no other audio apps were interfering with device. I've never run into this sort of thing before, where jackd won't work, but aplay will. Any suggestions for troubleshooting? Thanks, Ian Smith-Heisters -- http://0x09.com From arnold.krille at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 15:24:15 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Tue Jun 13 15:24:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2def88b80606131224ya6fcc7kc0789a0becc9a4cb@mail.gmail.com> 2006/6/13, I. E. Smith-Heisters : > I'm having problems with my Intel HD Audio chipset and jack, and was > wondering if any of you might have some tips. I'm running Ubuntu > Dapper, and everything works fine out of the box. ESD works, aplay > works, etc.. When I start jackd the xruns fly by about as fast as they > can. If I start it with RT enabled, it just times out and crashes. > Any suggestions for troubleshooting? Is that a laptop? If yes: { Is it your first experience with jack on laptop-builtins? If yes: { Get used to it. And get a real sounddevice for professional usage... } } Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jun 13 15:28:07 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jun 13 15:28:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <2def88b80606131224ya6fcc7kc0789a0becc9a4cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <2def88b80606131224ya6fcc7kc0789a0becc9a4cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1150226888.19205.74.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 21:24 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: > 2006/6/13, I. E. Smith-Heisters : > > I'm having problems with my Intel HD Audio chipset and jack, and was > > wondering if any of you might have some tips. I'm running Ubuntu > > Dapper, and everything works fine out of the box. ESD works, aplay > > works, etc.. When I start jackd the xruns fly by about as fast as they > > can. If I start it with RT enabled, it just times out and crashes. > > Any suggestions for troubleshooting? > > Is that a laptop? > > If yes: { > Is it your first experience with jack on laptop-builtins? > > If yes: { > Get used to it. And get a real sounddevice for professional usage... > } > } Eh... although onboard hardware is bad and getting worse, it should really be possible. Sounds like your hardware does not support those JACK settings. First try a bigger buffer, leaving the periods set to 2. If that fails, go back to a small buffer and try to increase the periods. If both of those fail try to increase both. Do all these tests in realtime mode. Lee From public at 0x09.com Tue Jun 13 15:34:39 2006 From: public at 0x09.com (I. E. Smith-Heisters) Date: Tue Jun 13 15:34:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <2def88b80606131224ya6fcc7kc0789a0becc9a4cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <2def88b80606131224ya6fcc7kc0789a0becc9a4cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: lol. Yes, it's a laptop. No, it's not my first time dealing with consumer-grade integrated audio chipsets. No, I don't have money for a Hammerfall or an FA-66. And yes, I think it should be possible to at least get it *working*, if not with sub 10ms latency. Thanks anyhow. On 6/13/06, Arnold Krille wrote: > 2006/6/13, I. E. Smith-Heisters : > > I'm having problems with my Intel HD Audio chipset and jack, and was > > wondering if any of you might have some tips. I'm running Ubuntu > > Dapper, and everything works fine out of the box. ESD works, aplay > > works, etc.. When I start jackd the xruns fly by about as fast as they > > can. If I start it with RT enabled, it just times out and crashes. > > Any suggestions for troubleshooting? > > Is that a laptop? > > If yes: { > Is it your first experience with jack on laptop-builtins? > > If yes: { > Get used to it. And get a real sounddevice for professional usage... > } > } > > Arnold > > -- > visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ > --- > Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich > verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und > einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. > From mista.tapas at gmx.net Tue Jun 13 15:57:11 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Tue Jun 13 15:57:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: References: <2def88b80606131224ya6fcc7kc0789a0becc9a4cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:34:39 -0400 "I. E. Smith-Heisters" wrote: > lol. > > Yes, it's a laptop. No, it's not my first time dealing with > consumer-grade integrated audio chipsets. No, I don't have money for a > Hammerfall or an FA-66. And yes, I think it should be possible to at > least get it *working*, if not with sub 10ms latency. Try playback only. not full duplex. some of these cheapo soundcards still have problems with duplex in 2006. flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jun 13 15:59:29 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jun 13 15:59:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> References: <2def88b80606131224ya6fcc7kc0789a0becc9a4cb@mail.gmail.com> <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <1150228770.19205.84.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 21:57 +0200, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:34:39 -0400 > "I. E. Smith-Heisters" wrote: > > > lol. > > > > Yes, it's a laptop. No, it's not my first time dealing with > > consumer-grade integrated audio chipsets. No, I don't have money for a > > Hammerfall or an FA-66. And yes, I think it should be possible to at > > least get it *working*, if not with sub 10ms latency. > > Try playback only. not full duplex. some of these cheapo soundcards > still have problems with duplex in 2006. It would have to be a software issue right? Seems like even the cheapest of the cheap vendors must test by installing Windows and running Skype. Lee From ce at christeck.de Tue Jun 13 16:04:02 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Jun 13 16:02:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> > Try playback only. not full duplex. some of these cheapo soundcards > still have problems with duplex in 2006. Full duplex is part of the HDA specs. Best regards ce From public at 0x09.com Tue Jun 13 16:17:05 2006 From: public at 0x09.com (I. E. Smith-Heisters) Date: Tue Jun 13 16:17:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: I've futzed around a bit more. I'd done this before, but I'd forgotten the exact results except that it didn't work. Tried all this both with and without RT and 16bit mode forced: upping frames/period to 4096 reduces the number of xruns to several/second. upping periods/buffer to 3 still gives xruns, as well as "usecs exceeds estimated spare time" messages. upping periods/buffer to 4 makes initialization fail with "ALSA: got smaller periods 2 than 4 for playback" putting it into non-duplex (ie. playback only) has no effect on behavior. So, yeah, that's why it's mysterious. In the past I sacrifice latency for no xruns, and everything's dandy. Not so, this time... Thanks for the suggestions. On 6/13/06, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > > Try playback only. not full duplex. some of these cheapo soundcards > > still have problems with duplex in 2006. > > Full duplex is part of the HDA specs. > > > Best regards > > > ce > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jun 13 16:20:29 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jun 13 16:20:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 16:17 -0400, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: > I've futzed around a bit more. I'd done this before, but I'd forgotten > the exact results except that it didn't work. Tried all this both with > and without RT and 16bit mode forced: > > upping frames/period to 4096 reduces the number of xruns to several/second. > upping periods/buffer to 3 still gives xruns, as well as "usecs > exceeds estimated spare time" messages. > upping periods/buffer to 4 makes initialization fail with "ALSA: got > smaller periods 2 than 4 for playback" > putting it into non-duplex (ie. playback only) has no effect on behavior. > > So, yeah, that's why it's mysterious. In the past I sacrifice latency > for no xruns, and everything's dandy. Not so, this time... > > Thanks for the suggestions. Are you saying that RT mode has no effect on the xruns? I find this hard to believe. Check the messages from JACK - maybe it's failing to set RT mode (thisis a bug that's fixed in the development tree). Try these tests in RT mode as root to be sure. Are you using the proprietary ATI or Nvidia drivers? Lee From notmyprivateemail at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 16:43:50 2006 From: notmyprivateemail at gmail.com (Alex Polite) Date: Tue Jun 13 16:43:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <1148404388.12529.83.camel@mindpipe> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <1148404388.12529.83.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 5/23/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > Reiserfs is a poor choice of filesystem for low latency. > Didn't know that. Will I be alright if I have my audio files on ext3 but the OS on reiserfs? alex -- Alex Polite http://flosspick.org - finding the right open source From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jun 13 16:47:20 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jun 13 16:47:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <1148404388.12529.83.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1150231641.19205.107.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 22:43 +0200, Alex Polite wrote: > On 5/23/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > Reiserfs is a poor choice of filesystem for low latency. > > > > Didn't know that. Will I be alright if I have my audio files on ext3 > but the OS on reiserfs? No, it makes no difference what files are where if there's IO going on - it can still disable preemption for a long time. It's best to have everything on ext3. This has the advantage that ext3 is actively developed and improved while reiser3 is in maintenance mode. Lee From glauberalex at uol.com.br Tue Jun 13 17:32:02 2006 From: glauberalex at uol.com.br (glauber alex dias prado) Date: Tue Jun 13 17:32:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: music notation In-Reply-To: References: <1150088504.12292.20.camel@localhost> <20060612112700.GC8510@fliwatut.scifi> <1150127006.17008.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1150234322.11492.3.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 09:17 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > On 6/13/06, glauber alex dias prado wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 21:33 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > > On 6/12/06, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > > > Hallo, > > > > glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado wrote: > > > > > > > > > Now im not a musician and this is a skill that i dont know if i can > > get > > > > > one day, for now im looking for some info on making midi scores to > > > > > composite together with my 3d videos that i do using blender. > > > > > > > > > > I would really aprecciate if someone could give me some directions on > > > > > learning these things, first im considering buying a midi keyboard > > that > > > > > i consider will make it more dynamic than using the virtual keyboard > > or > > > > > a notation editor like the one at rosegarden. > > > > > > > > > > i have a relative good system here to make this and most apps are > > > > > running and i already made some sound/music but nothing that worth it, > > > > > the apps that i got running and think that can be usefull are theses: > > > > > jackd > > > > > ardour > > > > ... > > > > > > > > You missing Pd in you list of applications here. Pd may be of special > > > > interest to you, because it also includes extensions to do 3D-graphics > > > > and combine both sound and the graphics. You can read more about Pd at > > > > www.puredata.info > > > > > > > > Ciao > > > > -- > > > > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > > > > > > > > > > I am unshocked frank ;) I may have to mention om then ;) And combining > > > khagan and fluxes for 3d graphics. > > > > > > Loki > > i was looking at fluxus today and it also is very interesting but by the > > time now im not so interested in making graphics realtime i want to make > > sound for pre-rendered video so fluxus is going to be at a next step i > > think, but what is this khagan? > > i will try to find something about it thanks. > > > > Khagan is an OSC controller. I.e fluxus is controlled by osc messages, > like midi but more flexible and powerful. Khagan is one of the many > ways to generate these messages. If you have a graphics tablet khagan > can convert graphics tablet input to osc. > > Loki > > p.s. > 3 - 1 australia beat japan! YAY! ;) hi Loki, unfortunately i couldnt get khagan working, phat modules isnt being loaded by python i dont know why cause it is a fresh install, i like this OSC controlled aproach maybe i will have more luck next time. ps. Brasil 1 x 0 Croacia :). From fbar at footils.org Tue Jun 13 18:29:49 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Jun 13 18:29:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: music notation In-Reply-To: <1150234322.11492.3.camel@localhost> References: <1150088504.12292.20.camel@localhost> <20060612112700.GC8510@fliwatut.scifi> <1150127006.17008.7.camel@localhost> <1150234322.11492.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20060613222949.GK14576@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado wrote: > ps. Brasil 1 x 0 Croacia :). But it was closer than expected. ;) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From glauberalex at uol.com.br Tue Jun 13 18:43:33 2006 From: glauberalex at uol.com.br (glauber alex dias prado) Date: Tue Jun 13 18:44:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: music notation In-Reply-To: <20060613222949.GK14576@fliwatut.scifi> References: <1150088504.12292.20.camel@localhost> <20060612112700.GC8510@fliwatut.scifi> <1150127006.17008.7.camel@localhost> <1150234322.11492.3.camel@localhost> <20060613222949.GK14576@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1150238613.11490.12.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 00:29 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado wrote: > > > ps. Brasil 1 x 0 Croacia :). > > But it was closer than expected. ;) > > Ciao are you a goto10.org member? this goto remember my really old back days when i was in Basic language, under my MSX really loveing times :). i was trying to load the pure:dyne at my pc but it wasnt able to load some modules and i couldnt load the kernel cause of that i think the modules that didnt loaded that i can remember of memory are amd64agp, nvidiafb and i2core, can i load this distro in a chroot environment cause a lot of packages that are into it im not able to compile at my architeture IA_x86_64? From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Jun 13 19:00:13 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Jun 13 18:57:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Progressive Quantisation (long) Message-ID: <20060614000013.781597ea@office> Well I don't know if this term actually exists or if I've just invented it! This is an idea I've thought about for quite some time, years in fact, but don't have the programming ability to try to put it into practice. As I think it should really be part of, or a plugin to a sequencer I've posted to LAU & Rosegarden lists. I hope nobody minds. I'd be very interested in other people's thoughts on it. Preamble over :) All the quantisation systems I've seen so far only work if the music has reasonably constant timing, and then produces much to rigid a structure for my tastes. When playing without a metronome (which always inhibits me) I find that in a very long piece, I sometimes gradually speed up or slow down. This is often only noticable if you go back to the start of a piece and replay it immediately it has finished. If 'standard' quantisation is applied to this then the results can be quite grotesque as notes fall outside the quantisation capture range and get placed into the wrong positions. What I would like to see is quantisation algorythm the detects trends rather than absolute values, then progressively applies small corrections the keep overall timing correct. (it would of course have to operate over all tracks simultaneously). For example. The musician could put markers on notes in, say, an accompaniment section, that aught to fall on the first beat of a bar. The quantisation would then stretch or shrink the time positions so most of these fit, and intervening notes of ALL tracks are adjusted a proportionate amount. Later bars can then be interpolated and occasional bars that don't actually have a note on the first beat will still be adjusted based on averaging. Deliberate note delays, syncopation etc. would then be perfectly preserved and the music would retain its liveliness. Having the musician place these markers rather than some automatic system, means that not only are the correct notes used as a reference, but the music can be brought into line even if it initially has absolutely no relation to the bar lines in the sequencer (this happens to me a lot when I try to record live). Overall timing can then of course be set be altering the beat rate. This whole idea could then be turned on it's head. I find it VERY hard to get several tracks to slow down at the end of a piece and stay 'together'. This quantisation system could do just this by having 'target' time/beat rates at the start and end of the section that is to be slowed (or speeded up). -- Will J G From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 14:53:35 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Tue Jun 13 19:47:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU+Linux 0.49 released! Message-ID: <200606132053.35835.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php/Anuncio-Musix049#English English Musix 0.49 released! Download ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu+linux-distros/ututo-e/ https://e.ututo.org.ar/utiles/torrent/ Thanks to the support of the Ututo project, FSF, FSF, Ourproject and to the usual collaborators, the Musix project has just released Musix 0.49 , along with 459 updated software packages, a new Linux Kernel version 2.6.16-beyond4.1, and the Kanotix installer Musix 0.49 is an "experimental" version that was made just to support new hardware, as instance the SATA hard disks, and the new sound and video cards. We hope the users could report bugs to: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs The most relevant upgraded packages into Musix 0.49 Short list: * abiword-common 2.4.4-1 (word processor based on GTK2) * alsa-base 1.0.11-1 * beast 0.6.6-5 (music synthesis and composition framework) * cheesetracker 0.9.9-4 (sound module tracking program (IT - Impulse Tracker clone) * denemo 0.7.5-1 (A gtk+ frontend to GNU Lilypond) * gaim 1:1.5.0+1.5.1 (multi-protocol instant messaging client) * gcc 4:4.0.3-4 (The GNU C compiler) * gftp 2.0.18-13 (X/GTK+ FTP client) * gimp 2.2.11-1 (The GNU Image Manipulation Program) * gimp-print 4.3.99 (print plugin for the GIMP) * gtick 0.3.9-1 (Metronome application) * jackd 0.101.1-1 (JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients)) * jackeq 0.4.1-1 (routes and manipulates audio from/to multiple sources) * linux-sound-base 1.0.11-1 (base package for ALSA and OSS sound systems) * lmms-common 0.1.4-1 (Linux Multimedia Studio - common files) * rezound 0.12.2beta-4 (Audio file editor) * specimen 0.5.1-1.1 (a MIDI controllable audio sampler for GNU/Linux systems) * xserver-xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 (the X.Org X server) * xserver-common 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 (files and utilities common to all X servers) Important programs/packages updated into Musix 0.40 * Ardour 0.99.2 (some bugs solved, last stable version) * Hydrogen Drum Machine 0.9.3 * Hwdata 0.177-1 (better hardware detection, specially video) * Freewheeling 0.5.1 (fweelin-0.5.1_0.5.1-1_i386.deb) * Rox-Filer 2.4.1-1 (file manager and desktop icons) * Zynaddsubfx 2.2.1-4 New programs/packages installed into Musix 0.40 & 0.49 * Rosegarden 1.2.3 * Mixxx 1.4.2-1 (Digital Disc Jockey Interface) * Cecilia 2.0.5-2 * Csound 4.23f13 * guidedog 1.0.0-3 (routing) * guarddog 2.5.0-1 (firewall) * jackeq 0.4.0-2 (simple EQ for JACK) * echomixer - control tool for Echoaudio soundcards * envy24control - control tool for Envy24 (ice1712) based soundcards * hdspconf - GUI program to control the Hammerfall HDSP Alsa Settings. * hdspmixer - tool to control the advanced routing features of the RME Hammerfall DSP. * rmedigicontrol - control tool for RME Digi32 and RME Digi96 soundcards Known problems in Musix 0.49 * It is probable that the installation in some SATA hard disks may not possible (test). -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * Descarga el CD de Musix: (www.musix.org.ar) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 21:15:51 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Jun 13 21:15:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: music notation In-Reply-To: <1150234322.11492.3.camel@localhost> References: <1150088504.12292.20.camel@localhost> <20060612112700.GC8510@fliwatut.scifi> <1150127006.17008.7.camel@localhost> <1150234322.11492.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On 6/14/06, glauber alex dias prado wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 09:17 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > On 6/13/06, glauber alex dias prado wrote: > > > On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 21:33 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > > > On 6/12/06, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > > > > Hallo, > > > > > glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Now im not a musician and this is a skill that i dont know if i > can > > > get > > > > > > one day, for now im looking for some info on making midi scores to > > > > > > composite together with my 3d videos that i do using blender. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would really aprecciate if someone could give me some directions > on > > > > > > learning these things, first im considering buying a midi keyboard > > > that > > > > > > i consider will make it more dynamic than using the virtual > keyboard > > > or > > > > > > a notation editor like the one at rosegarden. > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a relative good system here to make this and most apps are > > > > > > running and i already made some sound/music but nothing that worth > it, > > > > > > the apps that i got running and think that can be usefull are > theses: > > > > > > jackd > > > > > > ardour > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > You missing Pd in you list of applications here. Pd may be of > special > > > > > interest to you, because it also includes extensions to do > 3D-graphics > > > > > and combine both sound and the graphics. You can read more about Pd > at > > > > > www.puredata.info > > > > > > > > > > Ciao > > > > > -- > > > > > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unshocked frank ;) I may have to mention om then ;) And combining > > > > khagan and fluxes for 3d graphics. > > > > > > > > Loki > > > i was looking at fluxus today and it also is very interesting but by the > > > time now im not so interested in making graphics realtime i want to make > > > sound for pre-rendered video so fluxus is going to be at a next step i > > > think, but what is this khagan? > > > i will try to find something about it thanks. > > > > > > > Khagan is an OSC controller. I.e fluxus is controlled by osc messages, > > like midi but more flexible and powerful. Khagan is one of the many > > ways to generate these messages. If you have a graphics tablet khagan > > can convert graphics tablet input to osc. > > > > Loki > > > > p.s. > > 3 - 1 australia beat japan! YAY! ;) > hi Loki, unfortunately i couldnt get khagan working, phat modules isnt > being loaded by python i dont know why cause it is a fresh install, i > like this OSC controlled aproach maybe i will have more luck next time. > > ps. Brasil 1 x 0 Croacia :). You need to get pyphat. The readme and the khagan site gives instructions. The osc control method is very flexible but really quite programmer orientated they way it's done right now in khagan. With service discovery, etc it would be a lot easier. Still on the todo! looking forward to Brasil vs Australia on sunday. After seeing how well ronaldo played i think we have a chance :) From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 21:20:50 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Jun 13 21:20:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Progressive Quantisation (long) In-Reply-To: <20060614000013.781597ea@office> References: <20060614000013.781597ea@office> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606131820w1340afd4geadaa3e9dd8649a@mail.gmail.com> On 6/13/06, Folderol wrote: > Well I don't know if this term actually exists or if I've just invented > it! > > This is an idea I've thought about for quite some time, years in fact, > but don't have the programming ability to try to put it into practice. > As I think it should really be part of, or a plugin to a sequencer I've > posted to LAU & Rosegarden lists. I hope nobody minds. I'd be very > interested in other people's thoughts on it. > > > What I would like to see is quantisation algorythm the detects trends > rather than absolute values, then progressively applies small > corrections the keep overall timing correct. (it would of course have > to operate over all tracks simultaneously). > Hello, It's very funny but I went out for tea and to read a book this afternoon. As I was sitting in a local shop I was having some related ideas WRT MIDI drum tracks. I was thinking at the time more about languages to describe complete songs but there is an aspect you might want to consider yourself here, should any of this lead toward a tool of some type. I've recorded to MIDI some electronic drum kits in the past. I own a DrumKat which is fun to play with. One thing I think that makes MIDI drum tracks sound more real, and unfortunately very few drum programmers are ever willing to do, is when they have the 'ghost notes' that come from real drumming. I.e. - the stick hits the snare, bounces up, and then hits the snare a second time at a much lower volume. Try it yourself with a pencil on a table (or a stick on a drum pad) and you'll almost immediately discover it's often the ghost notes that add the most life to your beats. Notice that as you change the tempo the distance between the main hit and the ghost note doesn't vary the same way as the tempo slows since the ghost note comes from the way you hold the pencil & the weight of the pencil, etc. Anyway, the thought I was having had to do with the need to discover which hits were intended to be on the beat, whatever that is, and which hits where these ghost notes. IMHO a good tool for changing MIDI tempo would determine which is which and would vary the tempo without making huge changes to the time between the main hit and it's ghost. Cheers, Mark From jordan at jdnash.org Tue Jun 13 21:40:50 2006 From: jordan at jdnash.org (Jordan Nash) Date: Tue Jun 13 21:40:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Progressive Quantisation (long) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0606131820w1340afd4geadaa3e9dd8649a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060614000013.781597ea@office> <5bdc1c8b0606131820w1340afd4geadaa3e9dd8649a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1150249250.2228.4.camel@jordan.nash.net> My theory as a hobbyist musician, music listener, and computer nerd is that it is the human imperfection that adds life to music. It's the imperfection and feeling that sets apart the great soloists from the ones who copy them note-for-note. One of the cool things about Rosegarden (which I, unfortunately, haven't played with much due to my lack of MIDI interface and lack of funds) is that it keeps performance information separate from notation, rather than necessarily playing the notes directly as written. -Jordan On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 18:20 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 6/13/06, Folderol wrote: > > Well I don't know if this term actually exists or if I've just invented > > it! > > > > This is an idea I've thought about for quite some time, years in fact, > > but don't have the programming ability to try to put it into practice. > > As I think it should really be part of, or a plugin to a sequencer I've > > posted to LAU & Rosegarden lists. I hope nobody minds. I'd be very > > interested in other people's thoughts on it. > > > > > > > What I would like to see is quantisation algorythm the detects trends > > rather than absolute values, then progressively applies small > > corrections the keep overall timing correct. (it would of course have > > to operate over all tracks simultaneously). > > > > Hello, > > It's very funny but I went out for tea and to read a book this > afternoon. As I was sitting in a local shop I was having some related > ideas WRT MIDI drum tracks. I was thinking at the time more about > languages to describe complete songs but there is an aspect you might > want to consider yourself here, should any of this lead toward a tool > of some type. > > I've recorded to MIDI some electronic drum kits in the past. I own a > DrumKat which is fun to play with. One thing I think that makes MIDI > drum tracks sound more real, and unfortunately very few drum > programmers are ever willing to do, is when they have the 'ghost > notes' that come from real drumming. I.e. - the stick hits the snare, > bounces up, and then hits the snare a second time at a much lower > volume. Try it yourself with a pencil on a table (or a stick on a drum > pad) and you'll almost immediately discover it's often the ghost notes > that add the most life to your beats. Notice that as you change the > tempo the distance between the main hit and the ghost note doesn't > vary the same way as the tempo slows since the ghost note comes from > the way you hold the pencil & the weight of the pencil, etc. > > Anyway, the thought I was having had to do with the need to discover > which hits were intended to be on the beat, whatever that is, and > which hits where these ghost notes. IMHO a good tool for changing MIDI > tempo would determine which is which and would vary the tempo without > making huge changes to the time between the main hit and it's ghost. > > Cheers, > Mark > > From glauberalex at uol.com.br Tue Jun 13 22:10:19 2006 From: glauberalex at uol.com.br (glauber alex dias prado) Date: Tue Jun 13 22:11:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: music notation In-Reply-To: References: <1150088504.12292.20.camel@localhost> <20060612112700.GC8510@fliwatut.scifi> <1150127006.17008.7.camel@localhost> <1150234322.11492.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1150251019.15044.5.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 11:15 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > On 6/14/06, glauber alex dias prado wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 09:17 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > > On 6/13/06, glauber alex dias prado wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 21:33 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > > > > On 6/12/06, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > > > > > Hallo, > > > > > > glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now im not a musician and this is a skill that i dont know if i > > can > > > > get > > > > > > > one day, for now im looking for some info on making midi scores to > > > > > > > composite together with my 3d videos that i do using blender. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would really aprecciate if someone could give me some directions > > on > > > > > > > learning these things, first im considering buying a midi keyboard > > > > that > > > > > > > i consider will make it more dynamic than using the virtual > > keyboard > > > > or > > > > > > > a notation editor like the one at rosegarden. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a relative good system here to make this and most apps are > > > > > > > running and i already made some sound/music but nothing that worth > > it, > > > > > > > the apps that i got running and think that can be usefull are > > theses: > > > > > > > jackd > > > > > > > ardour > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > You missing Pd in you list of applications here. Pd may be of > > special > > > > > > interest to you, because it also includes extensions to do > > 3D-graphics > > > > > > and combine both sound and the graphics. You can read more about Pd > > at > > > > > > www.puredata.info > > > > > > > > > > > > Ciao > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unshocked frank ;) I may have to mention om then ;) And combining > > > > > khagan and fluxes for 3d graphics. > > > > > > > > > > Loki > > > > i was looking at fluxus today and it also is very interesting but by the > > > > time now im not so interested in making graphics realtime i want to make > > > > sound for pre-rendered video so fluxus is going to be at a next step i > > > > think, but what is this khagan? > > > > i will try to find something about it thanks. > > > > > > > > > > Khagan is an OSC controller. I.e fluxus is controlled by osc messages, > > > like midi but more flexible and powerful. Khagan is one of the many > > > ways to generate these messages. If you have a graphics tablet khagan > > > can convert graphics tablet input to osc. > > > > > > Loki > > > > > > p.s. > > > 3 - 1 australia beat japan! YAY! ;) > > hi Loki, unfortunately i couldnt get khagan working, phat modules isnt > > being loaded by python i dont know why cause it is a fresh install, i > > like this OSC controlled aproach maybe i will have more luck next time. > > > > ps. Brasil 1 x 0 Croacia :). > > You need to get pyphat. The readme and the khagan site gives > instructions. The osc control method is very flexible but really quite > programmer orientated they way it's done right now in khagan. With > service discovery, etc it would be a lot easier. Still on the todo! > i do have pyphat instaled but it isnt being loaded maybe is a path issue, nice that you are improving it. > looking forward to Brasil vs Australia on sunday. After seeing how > well ronaldo played i think we have a chance :) if Parreira let Robinho play from the beggining next time Australia will have a hard time ;). From martin.wohlleben at gmx.de Wed Jun 14 03:29:29 2006 From: martin.wohlleben at gmx.de (Martin Wohlleben) Date: Wed Jun 14 03:29:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <1148404388.12529.83.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200606140929.29996.martin.wohlleben@gmx.de> I think it's more important to place the fifo buffer in shared memory than the choice of your harddisk-fs. Did you check that shm option for the compilation of jack? Is shm enabled (read write excess to /dev/shm)? best regards Martin Am Dienstag 13 Juni 2006 22:43 schrieb Alex Polite: > On 5/23/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > Reiserfs is a poor choice of filesystem for low latency. > > Didn't know that. Will I be alright if I have my audio files on ext3 > but the OS on reiserfs? > > alex From fbar at footils.org Wed Jun 14 04:29:47 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Jun 14 04:29:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: music notation In-Reply-To: <1150238613.11490.12.camel@localhost> References: <1150088504.12292.20.camel@localhost> <20060612112700.GC8510@fliwatut.scifi> <1150127006.17008.7.camel@localhost> <1150234322.11492.3.camel@localhost> <20060613222949.GK14576@fliwatut.scifi> <1150238613.11490.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20060614082946.GB6601@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado wrote: > are you a goto10.org member? this goto remember my really old back days > when i was in Basic language, under my MSX really loveing times :). Yes, it's a play on the oldskool days. > i was trying to load the pure:dyne at my pc but it wasnt able to load > some modules and i couldnt load the kernel cause of that i think the > modules that didnt loaded that i can remember of memory are amd64agp, > nvidiafb and i2core, can i load this distro in a chroot environment > cause a lot of packages that are into it im not able to compile at my > architeture IA_x86_64? Actually for now you won't be able to run Pd properly in 64bit mode, so if you want to run Pd, you should have a 32bit system as well. Although I belong to goto10, I'm not involved in the pure:dyne team. If you have problems with that, you could open a ticket at https://puredyne.goto10.org/ Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From mista.tapas at gmx.net Wed Jun 14 05:25:45 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Wed Jun 14 05:25:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <200606140929.29996.martin.wohlleben@gmx.de> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <1148404388.12529.83.camel@mindpipe> <200606140929.29996.martin.wohlleben@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20060614112545.5da9c5db@mango.fruits> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:29:29 +0200 Martin Wohlleben wrote: > I think it's more important to place the fifo buffer in shared memory than the > choice of your harddisk-fs. > Did you check that shm option for the compilation of jack? Is shm enabled > (read write excess to /dev/shm)? This is an orthogonal issue. You will need both to get great jack performance. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From ivalladolidt at terra.es Wed Jun 14 05:37:28 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Wed Jun 14 05:37:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <1150215361.19205.14.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> <1150215361.19205.14.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060614093728.GA2504@spma33> Lee Revell escribe: > On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 13:11 +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > I just installed Ubuntu Dapper Drake. I am trying to hear previews > > browsing the Freesound web page using the bundled Firefox, but > > nothing's heard. It works fine here on W2K with Mozilla. > > > > ALSA works fine. I can download the samples and play them using aplay. > > > > Anything else needs to be installed or set up? > > How are the sounds provided? Flash, MP3, .wav etc? > > I don't think Firefox can play sound by itself. Which plugin is being > used? Mplayer, totem, ? I can't tell. I know that Flash is being tested and that for sure Flash will be used in the near future. Flash previewer looks cute. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From ivalladolidt at terra.es Wed Jun 14 05:39:35 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Wed Jun 14 05:39:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> <20060613074926.GD2656@spma33> <448ECD4C.4020402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060614093935.GB2504@spma33> Carlo Capocasa escribe: > Of course it still unanswered, or I would have mentioned it. Having said all said, what if the VM3100 digital mixer can be bought at the price of a, let's say, M-Audio Audiophile USB? Maybe preamps will not be in the shape of Apogee's ones, but maybe it would not be a bad purchase either... Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From ivalladolidt at terra.es Wed Jun 14 05:40:52 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Wed Jun 14 05:41:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> <20060613074926.GD2656@spma33> <20060613103523.GA1104@spma33> Message-ID: <20060614094052.GC2504@spma33> Carlo Capocasa escribe: > I would go for firewire if anything for latency reasons. > > For example, there is the six channel ESI Quatafire with two Mic > preamps. It's tiny. > > Also, the eight channel Roland Edirol 110 firewire, also with two Mic > preamps. > > Both around $600. Both fully supported by ALSA via Freebob? > I have a hunch that ESI has better converter quality. I also do. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Wed Jun 14 06:22:19 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Wed Jun 14 06:22:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Remixing Message-ID: <1150280539.7069.90.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Hi guys, I'm not sure whether this is off topic or not so if it is let me know. I'm working on remixing a live spantaneous intercession track at the moment, whose BPM increases from 70 to 103+ during the piece and wavers around there. I'm putting it to drum and bass, using various breaks, and the tempo needs to be kept consistent. I've chosen to make it 170 at the moment, but the issue is that I simply can't make the track samples fit and sound good --they either need slowing down until the vocalist sounds like she's hammered, or speeding up until she sounds like she's on something. I understand (from Google) there is a method by which one samples the track minus the vocals and then adds the inversion of that to the track to kill the instruments. I have not got that to work well yet (maybe I need to try again, and it's nontrivial due to the major tempo changes), but also I'm not sure how to get round the tempo issue. I am in the process of trying to take the vocals apart and then sequence them (Leon Switch and Kryptic Minds style) but with the instruments present the results are unsatisfactory. Does anyone have any advice? I'm using rosegarden, zynaddsubfx for bass (oh how beautifully perfect is zyn!), hydrogen for sequencing extra drum stuff and I will be using fluidsynth for any piano. -- Jonty Needham From ivalladolidt at terra.es Wed Jun 14 07:15:46 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Wed Jun 14 07:15:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Remixing In-Reply-To: <1150280539.7069.90.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1150280539.7069.90.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20060614111546.GA2284@spma33> Jonty Needham escribe: > I understand (from Google) there is a method by which one samples the > track minus the vocals and then adds the inversion of that to the track > to kill the instruments. AFAIK you can do left channel minus right channel so you're killing whatever it's in the middle of the stereo field, which usually are vocals. This work for karaoke. But I don't know a way to kill everything except the middle of the stereo field, and I don't think it's posible. (Being able to isolate something in a precise point of the stereo field would be the Holy Grail of audio production if it was posible!) Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From v2 at iki.fi Wed Jun 14 07:30:46 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Wed Jun 14 07:30:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Remixing Message-ID: <1150284646.448ff366bd120@www1.helsinki.fi> Quoting Ismael Valladolid Torres : > AFAIK you can do left channel minus right channel so you're killing > whatever it's in the middle of the stereo field, which usually are > vocals. This work for karaoke. But I don't know a way to kill > everything except the middle of the stereo field, and I don't think > it's posible. Reverse polarity on either channel (left or right, it doesn't matter) and then do a LEFT-RIGHT and you'll end up with the signal that Ismael's technique removed. Sampo From derry.fitzgerald at cit.ie Wed Jun 14 08:07:21 2006 From: derry.fitzgerald at cit.ie (Derry Fitzgerald) Date: Wed Jun 14 08:07:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 33, Issue 34 In-Reply-To: <20060614111558.7D64E1CA900F@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060614111558.7D64E1CA900F@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200606141307.21660.derry.fitzgerald@cit.ie> On Wednesday 14 June 2006 12:15, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:15:46 +0200 > From: Ismael Valladolid Torres > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Remixing > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Message-ID: <20060614111546.GA2284@spma33> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Jonty Needham escribe: > > I understand (from Google) there is a method by which one samples the > > track minus the vocals and then adds the inversion of that to the track > > to kill the instruments. > > AFAIK you can do left channel minus right channel so you're killing > whatever it's in the middle of the stereo field, which usually are > vocals. This work for karaoke. But I don't know a way to kill > everything except the middle of the stereo field, and I don't think > it's posible. > > (Being able to isolate something in a precise point of the stereo > field would be the Holy Grail of audio production if it was posible!) > > Cordially, Ismael Actually, it is possible to isolate something in a precise point of the stereo field, and separate it out - have a look at: http://www.dmc.dit.ie/2002/research_ditme/dnbarry/adress.html and check out the audio examples, they are worth a listen, Derry -------------------Legal Disclaimer--------------------------------------- The above electronic mail transmission is confidential and intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Its contents may be protected by legal and/or professional privilege. Should it be received by you in error please contact the sender at the above quoted email address. Any unauthorised form of reproduction of this message is strictly prohibited. The Institute does not guarantee the security of any information electronically transmitted and is not liable if the information contained in this communication is not a proper and complete record of the message as transmitted by the sender nor for any delay in its receipt. From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Wed Jun 14 08:39:33 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Wed Jun 14 08:39:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Remixing In-Reply-To: <1150284646.448ff366bd120@www1.helsinki.fi> References: <1150284646.448ff366bd120@www1.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <1150288773.7069.94.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Many thanks for the replies, but one thing I don't quite understand. I'm not sure what you mean by "left -right". Would that not be reversing the polarity of the signal and then adding them together, or am I missing something critical. On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 14:30 +0300, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > Quoting Ismael Valladolid Torres : > > > AFAIK you can do left channel minus right channel so you're killing > > whatever it's in the middle of the stereo field, which usually are > > vocals. This work for karaoke. But I don't know a way to kill > > everything except the middle of the stereo field, and I don't think > > it's posible. > > Reverse polarity on either channel (left or right, it doesn't matter) and > then do a LEFT-RIGHT and you'll end up with the signal that Ismael's > technique removed. > > Sampo -- Jonty Needham From eric at zhevny.com Wed Jun 14 08:45:37 2006 From: eric at zhevny.com (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Wed Jun 14 08:45:57 2006 Subject: specimen maintenance (was Re: [linux-audio-user] [PATCHES] LASH for jack-rack and specimen) In-Reply-To: <20060608103519.3ca22335@mango.fruits> References: <20060608103519.3ca22335@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <449004F1.80103@zhevny.com> Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > P.S.: Anyone heard anything from Leslie Polzer [the new jack-rack > maintainer]. I didn't get any answer from him. Also, did anyone take > over specimen maintenance? Who is the new maintainer? Hello Florian, I've planned to take over specimen maintenance. If the community is willing to give me a shot at this I am still planning to take it on. I left my job 1 week ago (the day before you wrote this). For the next 6-12 months I am working full time on FLOSS community projects. Specimen is one of 3 primary concerns for me. Pending the approval of folks here, the new home for specimen is http://zhevny.com/specimen/ just the 0.5.1 tarball at the moment. My near term specimen TODO: bug fixes jack-midi patch lash patch(es) re-work and publish Pete's old website mailing list subversion Please, everyone interested in specimen's future, tell me what you need. Are there outstanding bugs? feature requests? other patches? etc, etc. -Eric Rz. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Jun 14 09:12:26 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Jun 14 09:12:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU+Linux 0.49 released! In-Reply-To: <200606132053.35835.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200606132053.35835.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44900B3A.4040205@gmail.com> Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > * Csound 4.23f13 I believe this has been mentioned before, but csound5 is better in every way. If at all possible, I think you should include csound5.02 instead. Or whatever is the newest csound at your next release... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From steiner at block4.com Wed Jun 14 09:15:48 2006 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Wed Jun 14 09:16:09 2006 Subject: specimen maintenance (was Re: [linux-audio-user] [PATCHES] LASH for jack-rack and specimen) In-Reply-To: <449004F1.80103@zhevny.com> References: <20060608103519.3ca22335@mango.fruits> <449004F1.80103@zhevny.com> Message-ID: <44900C04.7030504@block4.com> Hello, > > Please, everyone interested in specimen's future, tell me what you need. > Are there outstanding bugs? feature requests? other patches? etc, etc. > Thanks for keeping specimen alive. I would like to see loopingfeatures like the Ensoniq samplers which should not add many cpu load. For instance midi controlled loop start and end, loop offset and -let me call it so- PPG wavetablemode where the loop jumps always a defined amount so it switches waveforms. Ensoniq called it transwave. Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- From mista.tapas at gmx.net Wed Jun 14 09:25:56 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Wed Jun 14 09:26:10 2006 Subject: specimen maintenance (was Re: [linux-audio-user] [PATCHES] LASH for jack-rack and specimen) In-Reply-To: <449004F1.80103@zhevny.com> References: <20060608103519.3ca22335@mango.fruits> <449004F1.80103@zhevny.com> Message-ID: <20060614152556.70685bef@mango.fruits> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:45:37 -0400 Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: Yo Eric, > I've planned to take over specimen maintenance. If the community is > willing to give me a shot at this I am still planning to take it on. I > left my job 1 week ago (the day before you wrote this). For the next > 6-12 months I am working full time on FLOSS community projects. Specimen > is one of 3 primary concerns for me. Please do it :) vote++ > > Pending the approval of folks here, the new home for specimen is > http://zhevny.com/specimen/ > > just the 0.5.1 tarball at the moment. > > My near term specimen TODO: > bug fixes > jack-midi patch > lash patch(es) > re-work and publish Pete's old website > mailing list > subversion > > > Please, everyone interested in specimen's future, tell me what you need. > Are there outstanding bugs? feature requests? other patches? etc, etc. I would like to see jack outputs for every patch additional to the master outs :) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From v2 at iki.fi Wed Jun 14 09:25:31 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Wed Jun 14 09:26:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Remixing Message-ID: <1150291531.44900e4b91bbb@www1.helsinki.fi> Quoting Jonty Needham : > Many thanks for the replies, but one thing I don't quite understand. I'm > not sure what you mean by "left -right". Would that not be reversing the > polarity of the signal and then adding them together, or am I missing > something critical. Sorry, my haste got the better of me last time :) Do the left minus right operation first. This way you'll end up with what Ismael told you: ths "karaoke" signal with all components common to l/r removed. To get the reverse (only the common components), you need to remove the karaoke signal from a mono version of the original signal. I'm not sure how well this will work.. Tell us if you decide to try! ;) Sampo From seablaede at gmail.com Wed Jun 14 10:38:05 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Wed Jun 14 09:34:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: <20060614093935.GB2504@spma33> References: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> <20060613074926.GD2656@spma33> <448ECD4C.4020402@gmail.com> <20060614093935.GB2504@spma33> Message-ID: <44901F4D.1040008@gmail.com> > Having said all said, what if the VM3100 digital mixer can be bought > at the price of a, let's say, M-Audio Audiophile USB? Maybe preamps > will not be in the shape of Apogee's ones, but maybe it would not be a > bad purchase either... The M-Audio pres are MUCH better. Also keep in mind the VM-3100 only has phantom on one of its pres as well. Seablade From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Wed Jun 14 09:46:07 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Wed Jun 14 09:46:10 2006 Subject: specimen maintenance (was Re: [linux-audio-user] [PATCHES] LASH for jack-rack and specimen) In-Reply-To: <449004F1.80103@zhevny.com> References: <20060608103519.3ca22335@mango.fruits> <449004F1.80103@zhevny.com> Message-ID: <4490131F.1040307@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Dantan Rzewnicki schrieb: > Pending the approval of folks here, the new home for specimen is > http://zhevny.com/specimen/ Hey Ho! Pretty cool! I had added specimen to a very little repository on my Website, that i call "orphanage" http://84.16.234.50/~zettberlin/law/orphanage now this poor little prog has found a new maintaining parent just in time - just great!!! If you approve i will replace the entry for specimen with a link to your site. And BTW: would you like to get a basic website in proper HTML for your specimen-project (no cms-overkill - just a description, some news and documentation maybe...)? I?d be honoured if i could help :-) > > Please, everyone interested in specimen's future, tell me what you need. > Are there outstanding bugs? feature requests? other patches? etc, etc. I distribute patches for specimen and get some reports saying, that the wavefiles used in the patches are absolutely linked so they cannot be transported if the wavs are not in a generic place like /usr/shared - most clumsy that is - it would be great, if one could pack the patch in an archiveformat as known from Open Office, that includes all needed binaries. best regards Hartmut Z Noack http://www.linuxuse.de/snd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEkBMf1Aecwva1SWMRAv2uAJ9QTY17YPJU/pg+jT5Ol8lEO+MjPwCgjCbi GSauC4/f2f2dxysfU4kF/Z0= =wM7+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From public at 0x09.com Wed Jun 14 09:56:07 2006 From: public at 0x09.com (I. E. Smith-Heisters) Date: Wed Jun 14 09:56:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: Okay, looked at it some more. When RT is enabled, jack just locks up and the watchdog terminates the process, regardless of the buffer size. When RT is disabled the xruns are allowed to continue, and the number of xruns decreases with a higher buffer size (but never go below about 10/second). There's no evidence that RT mode has failed to be set. This is all as root. I am using the proprietary NVIDIA drivers, as gotten from the Ubuntu repositories. I would be surprised if this had anything to do with it though, since direct alsa works fine with the same xOrg drivers. Unless, of course, there's some software conflict between the video drivers and jack itself (as opposed to there being a hardware-level conflict). hmm.... thanks for the advice. -Ian On 6/13/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 16:17 -0400, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: > > I've futzed around a bit more. I'd done this before, but I'd forgotten > > the exact results except that it didn't work. Tried all this both with > > and without RT and 16bit mode forced: > > > > upping frames/period to 4096 reduces the number of xruns to several/second. > > upping periods/buffer to 3 still gives xruns, as well as "usecs > > exceeds estimated spare time" messages. > > upping periods/buffer to 4 makes initialization fail with "ALSA: got > > smaller periods 2 than 4 for playback" > > putting it into non-duplex (ie. playback only) has no effect on behavior. > > > > So, yeah, that's why it's mysterious. In the past I sacrifice latency > > for no xruns, and everything's dandy. Not so, this time... > > > > Thanks for the suggestions. > > Are you saying that RT mode has no effect on the xruns? I find this > hard to believe. > > Check the messages from JACK - maybe it's failing to set RT mode (thisis > a bug that's fixed in the development tree). > > Try these tests in RT mode as root to be sure. > > Are you using the proprietary ATI or Nvidia drivers? > > Lee > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jun 14 12:47:45 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jun 14 12:47:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <20060614093728.GA2504@spma33> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> <1150215361.19205.14.camel@mindpipe> <20060614093728.GA2504@spma33> Message-ID: <1150303665.19205.187.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 11:37 +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Lee Revell escribe: > > On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 13:11 +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > > I just installed Ubuntu Dapper Drake. I am trying to hear previews > > > browsing the Freesound web page using the bundled Firefox, but > > > nothing's heard. It works fine here on W2K with Mozilla. > > > > > > ALSA works fine. I can download the samples and play them using aplay. > > > > > > Anything else needs to be installed or set up? > > > > How are the sounds provided? Flash, MP3, .wav etc? > > > > I don't think Firefox can play sound by itself. Which plugin is being > > used? Mplayer, totem, ? > > I can't tell. I know that Flash is being tested and that for sure > Flash will be used in the near future. Flash previewer looks cute. That's very unfortunate and renders the site unusable for me. The Linux flash plugin is terrible, and why is a site dedicated to freedom relying on a proprietary technology? Lee From yves_p at nnx.com Wed Jun 14 13:43:09 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Wed Jun 14 13:43:15 2006 Subject: specimen maintenance (was Re: [linux-audio-user] [PATCHES] LASH for jack-rack and specimen) In-Reply-To: <449004F1.80103@zhevny.com> References: <20060608103519.3ca22335@mango.fruits> <449004F1.80103@zhevny.com> Message-ID: <20060614174309.GH25648@localhost> Le 14 Jun ? 08:45, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki ecrivait: > Please, everyone interested in specimen's future, tell me what you need. > Are there outstanding bugs? feature requests? other patches? etc, etc. Hello, it's great to see that Specimen is still alive, thank you very much. The lack of a 64 bits version was the reason why I chose a couple of months ago to stay in 32 bits, and after searching fot a while I realize that it was you who answerded me something :) (http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2006/03/1152.html) On the other hand, after searching, I've never found a way to obtain multiple audio outputs, i.e. one for each sample or midi channel. I don't know if this would be of interest for others.. Best, Y. From brunogola at gmail.com Wed Jun 14 16:07:45 2006 From: brunogola at gmail.com (Bruno Gola) Date: Wed Jun 14 16:07:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some basic questions Message-ID: Hello all I'm new to this list and a linux user for 1 year. I use to play guitar and i'm planning to learn to play drum. As i'm starting to create my own songs and i wanna record it to my pc, i need some tips and advices about, witch programs to use and where to start reading about it. I wanna start reading about drum machines too, i've already downloaded and installed the Hydrogen Drum Machine, what do you have to say about it ? Is there another one better? Where can i find texts about programming these drum machines ? And the last doubt, i have an Amplifier with a line out and a phone plug, and i want to play the guitar and record it in the computer but using the amplifier to have a better sound and its distortion. My soundcard is a Onboard VIA AC97 (my mobo is a Asus A7V8X-X). Can i record it? Using the lino out of the amplifier and the line in of the soundcard ? I've tried but nothing happens, but if i try to plug the guitar into the soundcard's line in, i can hear it, but a bad and low song. Thanks (and sorry for any english mistake, i'm from Brazil =-] ). []'s -- Bruno Fialho Marques Gola http://www.brunogola.com.br Cel: (11) 9294-5883 From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Jun 14 17:58:49 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Jun 14 17:58:49 2006 Subject: specimen maintenance (was Re: [linux-audio-user] [PATCHES] LASH In-Reply-To: <449004F1.80103@zhevny.com> References: <20060608103519.3ca22335@mango.fruits> <449004F1.80103@zhevny.com> Message-ID: <200606142258.50210.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 14 June 2006 13:45, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki was like: > I've planned to take over specimen maintenance. If the community is > willing to give me a shot at this I am still planning to take it on. I > left my job 1 week ago (the day before you wrote this). For the next > 6-12 months I am working full time on FLOSS community projects. Specimen > is one of 3 primary concerns for me. > > Pending the approval of folks here, the new home for specimen is > http://zhevny.com/specimen/ Go Eric! :) Ready for testing when you are. Shout if you need help with website & docs. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From yves_p at nnx.com Wed Jun 14 18:16:27 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Wed Jun 14 18:16:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some basic questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060614221627.GI25648@localhost> Le 14 Jun ? 17:07, Bruno Gola ecrivait: > And the last doubt, i have an Amplifier with a line out and a phone > plug, and i want to play the guitar and record it in the computer but > using the amplifier to have a better sound and its distortion. My > soundcard is a Onboard VIA AC97 (my mobo is a Asus A7V8X-X). Can i > record it? Using the lino out of the amplifier and the line in of the > soundcard ? I've tried but nothing happens, but if i try to plug the > guitar into the soundcard's line in, i can hear it, but a bad and low > song. Hello Bruno. For the guitar, consider the Caps plugin suite and its cabinet simulator, among others very good plugins included in it. You can plug the output of the *preamp* in a sound card, without amp, and get a nice sound. The CAPS plugins work fine together in a jack-rack. http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html About your sound card, I fear you'll soon encounter important problems for seriously working with it... Cheers, Y. From glauberalex at uol.com.br Wed Jun 14 17:25:28 2006 From: glauberalex at uol.com.br (glauber alex dias prado) Date: Wed Jun 14 18:42:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some basic questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1150320329.22738.9.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 17:07 -0300, Bruno Gola wrote: > Hello all > > I'm new to this list and a linux user for 1 year. I use to play guitar > and i'm planning to learn to play drum. As i'm starting to create my > own songs and i wanna record it to my pc, i need some tips and advices > about, witch programs to use and where to start reading about it. Hi and welcome, im also new to this list and also a brazilian :), though i can answer some questions you made but not all of them that i can let to more experienced users to do so, first you would like to take look at jack audio connection kit, this is the place to begin in my opinion cause it enable a low-latency server that supports multi connections allowing you to record songs that you made in a high quality performance and have response in real time, you can read more about it here : http://jackit.sourceforge.net/ and here: http://linux-sound.org/one-page.html#jack > > I wanna start reading about drum machines too, i've already downloaded > and installed the Hydrogen Drum Machine, what do you have to say about > it ? Is there another one better? Where can i find texts about > programming these drum machines ? > i dont know about making custom drumkits for hydrogen but you can download their drumkits at the official site, there is also a good place to gather more information about it. > And the last doubt, i have an Amplifier with a line out and a phone > plug, and i want to play the guitar and record it in the computer but > using the amplifier to have a better sound and its distortion. My > soundcard is a Onboard VIA AC97 (my mobo is a Asus A7V8X-X). Can i > record it? Using the lino out of the amplifier and the line in of the > soundcard ? I've tried but nothing happens, but if i try to plug the > guitar into the soundcard's line in, i can hear it, but a bad and low > song. > I dont have experience in this field so i ask for someone else answer this for you. > Thanks (and sorry for any english mistake, i'm from Brazil =-] ). > welcome e de nada. > []'s From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Wed Jun 14 12:08:15 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Wed Jun 14 19:13:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU+Linux 0.49 released! In-Reply-To: <44900B3A.4040205@gmail.com> References: <200606132053.35835.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <44900B3A.4040205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200606141808.15785.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El Mi?rcoles, 14 de Junio de 2006 15:12, Atte Andr? Jensen escribi?: > Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > * Csound 4.23f13 > > I believe this has been mentioned before, but csound5 is better in every > way. If at all possible, I think you should include csound5.02 instead. > Or whatever is the newest csound at your next release... I will try the next time, thanks -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * Descarga el CD de Musix: (www.musix.org.ar) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Jun 14 21:01:50 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Jun 14 21:02:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: <20060614094052.GC2504@spma33> References: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> <20060613074926.GD2656@spma33> <20060613103523.GA1104@spma33> <20060614094052.GC2504@spma33> Message-ID: > Both fully supported by ALSA via Freebob? Freebob is currently a JACK backend which does not use ALSA at all. Both devices are listed as supported on the project site, which to my knowledge means that I/O and volume control is supported while more exotic features might not be. Given Pieter's behaviour here on the board it's quite probable he'd be very helpful in perhaps adapting certain exotic features if you'd test for him. Carlo From gateswideopen at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 03:49:29 2006 From: gateswideopen at gmail.com (we are) Date: Thu Jun 15 03:49:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] muse and midi timings Message-ID: <5969dc560606150049g6665211blf254cec2cdec018f@mail.gmail.com> hey there crew.... just wondering if there is anyone that has had experience with bad midi time. i am using alsa midi to link muse and PD together to build a sampler. after much frustration and testing i have come to the conclusion that both muse and seq are out of time on my gentoo machine. i am getting random variations of about 40ms. i have no idea why this is happing, could somebody suggest a possible solution or cause for this.... thanks t From ivalladolidt at terra.es Thu Jun 15 05:40:31 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Jun 15 05:40:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <1150303665.19205.187.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> <1150215361.19205.14.camel@mindpipe> <20060614093728.GA2504@spma33> <1150303665.19205.187.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060615094030.GA3452@spma33> Lee Revell escribe: > That's very unfortunate and renders the site unusable for me. The Linux > flash plugin is terrible, and why is a site dedicated to freedom relying > on a proprietary technology? Talking about Flash, I'd never write a website about music which Stevie Wonder couldn't read. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From pieterp at joow.be Thu Jun 15 08:26:38 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Thu Jun 15 08:26:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> <20060613074926.GD2656@spma33> <20060613103523.GA1104@spma33> <20060614094052.GC2504@spma33> Message-ID: <449151FE.7050500@joow.be> Carlo Capocasa wrote: >> Both fully supported by ALSA via Freebob? > > > Freebob is currently a JACK backend which does not use ALSA at all. > Both devices are listed as supported on the project site, which to my > knowledge means that I/O and volume control is supported while more > exotic features might not be. > Note: hardware mixing doesn't work yet. > Given Pieter's behaviour here on the board it's quite probable he'd be > very helpful in perhaps adapting certain exotic features if you'd test > for him. I wonder what is meant by 'exotic features'... Pieter From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Jun 15 08:59:25 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Jun 15 08:59:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: <449151FE.7050500@joow.be> References: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> <20060613074926.GD2656@spma33> <20060613103523.GA1104@spma33> <20060614094052.GC2504@spma33> <449151FE.7050500@joow.be> Message-ID: Wow Pieter you're really manage to be in all the relevant places. > I wonder what is meant by 'exotic features'... Things most boxes don't have. The Apogee Ensemble, for example, features a hardware downsampler. Carlo From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Jun 15 09:13:06 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Jun 15 09:04:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst-1.8 README revised In-Reply-To: <20060527120819.GA8066@mobilat> References: <20060527120819.GA8066@mobilat> Message-ID: <44915CE2.8020207@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Following the suggestion given at the end of the original document I've revised the README for the FST-1.8 package. Some questions: 1) Does the Steinberg link work for anyone ? I just get the same page appearing over and over, no matter where I go on the site. 2) Are there other option flags besides the -r switch ? 3) What exactly does this mean : "... it interprets transport info correctly" Is it referring to JACK or something else ? My edits are just minor readability improvements. Further improvements are also welcome. Best, dp -------------- next part -------------- Getting Started --------------- 0) Requires LASH now : http://lash.nongnu.org 1) Download Steinberg's VST SDK, currently available here : http://www.steinberg.de/Steinberg/Developers8b99.html It's been known to move about in the past. Also, you must agree to Steinberg's non-free licensing terms - that's how it is, sorry. 2) Unzip the SDK into the FST directory. 3) Type 'make'. If everything works correctly this should create an executable file named fst. 4) To run your VST plugins : ./fst /path/to/someplugin.dll Set up the audio/MIDI inputs and outputs with QJackCtl's Connections window. 5) Optional: To build Ardour 0.99.x with FST support : Copy the SC* files from the Ardour directory into your Ardour build path, then build Ardour with these flags : scons VST=1 VSTPATH=/path/to/compiled/fst Further notes ------------ According to the original README this software "... interprets transport info correctly". [JACK transport or ... ?] If Step 4 above results in a zombified plugin try running it with the -r option : ./fst -r /path/to/someplugin.dll [Any other flags or switches ?] License ------- FST is licensed under the GNU General Public License version 2. See file 'COPYING' for details. Authors/Contributors ---------------------- Torben Hohn, Paul Davis, Kjetil Matheussen, Joe Button, and some other guy (sorry, no time to find your name now, it's in the source somewhere). This document was written originally by Torben Hohn. It was revised on 15 June 2006 by DLP. From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Jun 15 09:04:48 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Jun 15 09:05:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: <44901F4D.1040008@gmail.com> References: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> <20060613074926.GD2656@spma33> <448ECD4C.4020402@gmail.com> <20060614093935.GB2504@spma33> <44901F4D.1040008@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah to get the best quality for the buck ('ding' for the buck) I suggest applying the Unix-philosophy to everything digital (including mixer controls and MIDI) but treat the complete analogue signal chain as a single unit. So an audio interface with included mixer (also known as digital mixer) would be considered bloat from this view point, an audio interface with included MIDI would be tolerable bloat, while a motorized MIDI mixer and seperate audio interface would not be. Also, seperate D/A converters, pre-amps and audio interface would be considered unnecessary complexity, since the unix philosphy would not be applied to anything 'outside the box' (ie computer). Jack provides the glue. Carlo From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Jun 15 09:25:40 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Jun 15 09:16:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst-1.8 README revised In-Reply-To: <44915CE2.8020207@woh.rr.com> References: <20060527120819.GA8066@mobilat> <44915CE2.8020207@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44915FD4.70403@woh.rr.com> Two lines added to note that JACK and LASH must be started before running the fst binary. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Jun 15 09:26:41 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Jun 15 09:17:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst-1.8 README revised In-Reply-To: <44915CE2.8020207@woh.rr.com> References: <20060527120819.GA8066@mobilat> <44915CE2.8020207@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44916011.6090206@woh.rr.com> Sorry, forgot the file... -------------- next part -------------- Getting Started --------------- 0) Requires LASH now : http://lash.nongnu.org 1) Download Steinberg's VST SDK, currently available here : http://www.steinberg.de/Steinberg/Developers8b99.html It's been known to move about in the past. Also, you must agree to Steinberg's non-free licensing terms - that's how it is, sorry. 2) Unzip the SDK into the FST directory. 3) Type 'make'. If everything works correctly this should create an executable file named fst. 4) To run your VST plugins : Start your JACK server. Start LASH (lashd). Enter the FST directory and run this command : ./fst /path/to/someplugin.dll Set up the audio/MIDI inputs and outputs with QJackCtl's Connections window. 5) Optional: To build Ardour 0.99.x with FST support : Copy the SC* files from the Ardour directory into your Ardour build path, then build Ardour with these flags : scons VST=1 VSTPATH=/path/to/compiled/fst Further notes ------------ According to the original README this software "... interprets transport info correctly". [JACK transport or ... ?] If Step 4 above results in a zombified plugin try running it with the -r option : ./fst -r /path/to/someplugin.dll [Any other flags or switches ?] License ------- FST is licensed under the GNU General Public License version 2. See file 'COPYING' for details. Authors/Contributors ---------------------- Torben Hohn, Paul Davis, Kjetil Matheussen, Joe Button, and some other guy (sorry, no time to find your name now, it's in the source somewhere). This document was written originally by Torben Hohn. It was revised on 15 June 2006 by DLP. From hardbop200 at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 09:32:59 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Thu Jun 15 09:33:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst-1.8 README revised In-Reply-To: <44916011.6090206@woh.rr.com> References: <20060527120819.GA8066@mobilat> <44915CE2.8020207@woh.rr.com> <44916011.6090206@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: On 6/15/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > 1) Download Steinberg's VST SDK, currently available here : > > http://www.steinberg.de/Steinberg/Developers8b99.html > > It's been known to move about in the past. Also, you must agree to Steinberg's non-free >licensing terms - that's how it is, sorry. Dave, Of late, I have been unable to find the VST SDK on their website. Didn't Yamaha take over Steinberg? I clicked on that link, and it took me to the home page. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From lars.luthman at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 09:32:51 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Thu Jun 15 09:33:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst-1.8 README revised In-Reply-To: <44915FD4.70403@woh.rr.com> References: <20060527120819.GA8066@mobilat> <44915CE2.8020207@woh.rr.com> <44915FD4.70403@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1150378371.8896.3.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 09:25 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Two lines added to note that JACK and LASH must be started before > running the fst binary. Unless you set JACK_START_SERVER and LASH_START_SERVER in your environment. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060615/1b65b6dd/attachment.bin From ivalladolidt at terra.es Thu Jun 15 10:19:07 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Jun 15 10:19:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> <20060613074926.GD2656@spma33> <448ECD4C.4020402@gmail.com> <20060614093935.GB2504@spma33> <44901F4D.1040008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060615141907.GA2936@spma33> Carlo Capocasa escribe: > Yeah to get the best quality for the buck ('ding' for the buck) I > suggest applying the Unix-philosophy to everything digital (including > mixer controls and MIDI) but treat the complete analogue signal chain as > a single unit. > > So an audio interface with included mixer (also known as digital mixer) > would be considered bloat from this view point, an audio interface with > included MIDI would be tolerable bloat, while a motorized MIDI mixer and > seperate audio interface would not be. Also, seperate D/A converters, > pre-amps and audio interface would be considered unnecessary complexity, > since the unix philosphy would not be applied to anything 'outside the > box' (ie computer). > > Jack provides the glue. UNIX philosophy is more or less "having many elements doing few things each but doing them perfectly and having the means to chain them together". A JoeMeek VC3Q i.e. preamps perfectly, a Soundtrack Spirit Folio notepad mixes perfectly, a M-Audio Audiophile 2496 does A/D perfectly, a Line6 POD makes your guitar sound lovely, and you have audio cables to chain them together. (Remember that studio freaks love to have many devices at hand!) Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From ivalladolidt at terra.es Thu Jun 15 10:22:07 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Jun 15 10:22:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst-1.8 README revised In-Reply-To: <44915CE2.8020207@woh.rr.com> References: <20060527120819.GA8066@mobilat> <44915CE2.8020207@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060615142207.GB2936@spma33> Dave Phillips escribe: > 1) Does the Steinberg link work for anyone ? I just get the same > page appearing over and over, no matter where I go on the site. This is [1]the link to be followed: 1. http://ygrabit.steinberg.de/~ygrabit/public_html/index.html Better if it's specified that's the version 2.3 of the SDK the one which needs to be downloaded. I just compiled fst using 2.3 and was unable to using 2.4. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com Thu Jun 15 10:26:09 2006 From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Thu Jun 15 10:25:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst-1.8 README revised In-Reply-To: References: <20060527120819.GA8066@mobilat> <44916011.6090206@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200606151526.09503.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> On Thursday 15 Jun 2006 14:32, Josh Lawrence wrote: > On 6/15/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > > 1) Download Steinberg's VST SDK, currently available here : > > > > http://www.steinberg.de/Steinberg/Developers8b99.html > > > > It's been known to move about in the past. Also, you must agree to > > Steinberg's non-free >licensing terms - that's how it is, sorry. > > Dave, > > Of late, I have been unable to find the VST SDK on their website. > Didn't Yamaha take over Steinberg? I clicked on that link, and it > took me to the home page. Michael Gerdau managed to find it, and sent me a link for inclusion in the dssi-vst README (but I haven't made another release since then). It's at this highly memorable location: http://www.steinberg.de/324+M54a708de802.html I wonder how long it'll stay there. Chris From ivalladolidt at terra.es Thu Jun 15 10:25:14 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Jun 15 10:25:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst-1.8 README revised In-Reply-To: <44916011.6090206@woh.rr.com> References: <20060527120819.GA8066@mobilat> <44915CE2.8020207@woh.rr.com> <44916011.6090206@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060615142514.GC2936@spma33> Dave Phillips escribe: > 3) Type 'make'. If everything works correctly this should create an > 3) executable file named fst. Watch out, as fst.exe.so needs to be in the same dir as fst (at least for 1.7 series). I'd suggest copying both to /usr/local/bin. I'd be glad to translate the finished README to spanish if you wanted to include it in the source distro. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From ivalladolidt at terra.es Thu Jun 15 10:26:50 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Jun 15 10:26:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst-1.8 README revised In-Reply-To: References: <20060527120819.GA8066@mobilat> <44915CE2.8020207@woh.rr.com> <44916011.6090206@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060615142650.GD2936@spma33> Josh Lawrence escribe: > Of late, I have been unable to find the VST SDK on their website. http://ygrabit.steinberg.de/~ygrabit/public_html/index.html The correct link's always been there I think I remember... > Didn't Yamaha take over Steinberg? I clicked on that link, and it > took me to the home page. Are you kidding? The next thing you'll say is that Apple took over Emagic, or some other stupid nonsense... Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Jun 15 11:24:44 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Jun 15 11:15:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst-1.8 README revised In-Reply-To: <1150378371.8896.3.camel@localhost> References: <20060527120819.GA8066@mobilat> <44915CE2.8020207@woh.rr.com> <44915FD4.70403@woh.rr.com> <1150378371.8896.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <44917BBC.9050202@woh.rr.com> Lars Luthman wrote: >On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 09:25 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >>Two lines added to note that JACK and LASH must be started before >>running the fst binary. >> >> > >Unless you set JACK_START_SERVER and LASH_START_SERVER in your environment. > Exact syntax ? Perhaps like so : export JACK_START_SERVER=1 ? Please advise, thanks. Minimum JACK/LASH versions for this to work ? Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Jun 15 11:45:08 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Jun 15 11:36:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst-1.8 README revised In-Reply-To: <44917BBC.9050202@woh.rr.com> References: <20060527120819.GA8066@mobilat> <44915CE2.8020207@woh.rr.com> <44915FD4.70403@woh.rr.com> <1150378371.8896.3.camel@localhost> <44917BBC.9050202@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44918084.30500@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Behold the revised standard version of the FST README. Some further questions: How to build FST support for Ardour2 ? Any other options besides the -r switch ? Contact addresses ? (a.k.a. "Who's in charge here ?!") Btw, Ismael: Feel free to translate, it's not my project. ;-) But you might want to wait a day or so until this version is community-ratified. Best, dp -------------- next part -------------- Getting Started --------------- 0) Requires the following software : LASH - http://lash.nongnu.org JACK - http://jackit.sf.net WINE - http://www.winehq.org VST SDK (see next step) These packages are required, you will not be able to build the FST system without them (and their devel packages). 1) Download Steinberg's VST SDK, currently available here : http://ygrabit.steinberg.de/~ygrabit/public_html/index.html or possibly here instead : http://www.steinberg.de/324+M54a708de802.html It's been known to move about in the past. Also, you must agree to Steinberg's non-free licensing terms - that's how it is, sorry. Note that you'll select the SDK version after reading the Steinberg license. Download version 2.3. 2) Unzip the SDK package into the FST directory. 3) Type 'make'. If everything works correctly this should create an executable file named fst and a shared library named fst.exe.so. 4) To run your VST plugins : Start your JACK server. Start LASH (lashd). Enter the FST directory and run this command : ./fst /path/to/someplugin.dll If your plugin zombifies at start-up try running it with the -r option : ./fst -r /path/to/someplugin.dll Set up the JACK audio/MIDI inputs and outputs (with QJackCtl, jack_connect, Patchage, etc). 5) Optional: To build Ardour 0.99.x with FST support : Copy the SC* files from the Ardour directory into your Ardour build path, then compile Ardour with these options : scons VST=1 VSTPATH=/path/to/compiled/fst Further notes ------------ According to the original README this software "... interprets transport info correctly". [JACK transport or ... ?] Lars Luthman advises that you can set JACK_START_SERVER and LASH_START_SERVER in your environment to eliminate the need to manually start JACK and LASH before running the fst program (or any other JACK/LASH application). Ismael Valladolid Torres notes that the fst.exe.so shared object library must be in the same dir as fst. FST currently does not include a 'make install' step, so you must either run the fst binary from the fst-x.x directory or copy the binary and the fst.exe.so library to a common place in your PATH, e.g. /usr/local/bin/. If your plugin zombifies at start-up try running it with the -r option : ./fst -r /path/to/someplugin.dll Torben Hohn has written that there appears to be a bug in WINE that prevents simultaneous startup of fst instances when a LASH project is restored. The problem can be avoided by having a persistent wineserver running, so just start 'wineserver -p' before reloading a LASH project. [Any other flags or switches ?] Please report problems, solutions, comments, criticisms, and anything else related to FST on the Linux Audio Users mail list. License ------- FST is licensed under the GNU General Public License version 2. See file 'COPYING' for details. Authors/Contributors ---------------------- Torben Hohn, Paul Davis, Kjetil Matheussen, Joe Button, and some other guy (sorry, no time to find your name now, it's in the source somewhere). This document was written originally by Torben Hohn. It was revised on 15 June 2006 by DLP. From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Jun 15 11:36:46 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Jun 15 11:37:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: <20060615141907.GA2936@spma33> References: <20060612161551.GB2656@spma33> <20060613074926.GD2656@spma33> <448ECD4C.4020402@gmail.com> <20060614093935.GB2504@spma33> <44901F4D.1040008@gmail.com> <20060615141907.GA2936@spma33> Message-ID: Yes. I have made an exception in the analogue world for the time being, for reasons of simplicity and roadworthiness (I'll thank myself when I have my first gig and carry only one box aside my notebook). If I was working studio only I might extend the UNIX philosophy to analogue gear, although there are still the complexity issues to deal with. If you have a lot of analogue gear you need to be proficient in music, digital engineering AND analogue engineering, so I try to at least limit myself to two fields and let the technology be smart as far as the analogue chain goes. Carlo From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jun 15 11:42:42 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jun 15 11:42:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] muse and midi timings In-Reply-To: <5969dc560606150049g6665211blf254cec2cdec018f@mail.gmail.com> References: <5969dc560606150049g6665211blf254cec2cdec018f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1150386162.2925.91.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 18:49 +1100, we are wrote: > hey there crew.... > > just wondering if there is anyone that has had experience with bad > midi time. i am using alsa midi to link muse and PD together to build > a sampler. after much frustration and testing i have come to the > conclusion that both muse and seq are out of time on my gentoo > machine. i am getting random variations of about 40ms. > > i have no idea why this is happing, could somebody suggest a possible > solution or cause for this.... What kernel are you running? What is HZ set to in the kernel config? What is /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq set to? Are you running realtime or not? Lee From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Jun 15 11:51:56 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Jun 15 11:43:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst-1.8 README revised In-Reply-To: <44918084.30500@woh.rr.com> References: <20060527120819.GA8066@mobilat> <44915CE2.8020207@woh.rr.com> <44915FD4.70403@woh.rr.com> <1150378371.8896.3.camel@localhost> <44917BBC.9050202@woh.rr.com> <44918084.30500@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4491821C.6070203@woh.rr.com> Links corrected for JACK and WINE. -------------- next part -------------- Getting Started --------------- 0) Requires the following software : LASH - http://lash.nongnu.org JACK - http://jackaudio.org WINE - http://www.winehq.com VST SDK (see next step) These packages are required, you will not be able to build the FST system without them (and their devel packages). 1) Download Steinberg's VST SDK, currently available here : http://ygrabit.steinberg.de/~ygrabit/public_html/index.html or possibly here instead : http://www.steinberg.de/324+M54a708de802.html It's been known to move about in the past. Also, you must agree to Steinberg's non-free licensing terms - that's how it is, sorry. Note that you'll select the SDK version after reading the Steinberg license. Download version 2.3. 2) Unzip the SDK package into the FST directory. 3) Type 'make'. If everything works correctly this should create an executable file named fst and a shared library named fst.exe.so. 4) To run your VST plugins : Start your JACK server. Start LASH (lashd). Enter the FST directory and run this command : ./fst /path/to/someplugin.dll If your plugin zombifies at start-up try running it with the -r option : ./fst -r /path/to/someplugin.dll Set up the JACK audio/MIDI inputs and outputs (with QJackCtl, jack_connect, Patchage, etc). 5) Optional: To build Ardour 0.99.x with FST support : Copy the SC* files from the Ardour directory into your Ardour build path, then compile Ardour with these options : scons VST=1 VSTPATH=/path/to/compiled/fst Further notes ------------ According to the original README this software "... interprets transport info correctly". [JACK transport or ... ?] Lars Luthman advises that you can set JACK_START_SERVER and LASH_START_SERVER in your environment to eliminate the need to manually start JACK and LASH before running the fst program (or any other JACK/LASH application). Ismael Valladolid Torres notes that the fst.exe.so shared object library must be in the same dir as fst. FST currently does not include a 'make install' step, so you must either run the fst binary from the fst-x.x directory or copy the binary and the fst.exe.so library to a common place in your PATH, e.g. /usr/local/bin/. If your plugin zombifies at start-up try running it with the -r option : ./fst -r /path/to/someplugin.dll Torben Hohn has written that there appears to be a bug in WINE that prevents simultaneous startup of fst instances when a LASH project is restored. The problem can be avoided by having a persistent wineserver running, so just start 'wineserver -p' before reloading a LASH project. [Any other flags or switches ?] Please report problems, solutions, comments, criticisms, and anything else related to FST on the Linux Audio Users mail list. License ------- FST is licensed under the GNU General Public License version 2. See file 'COPYING' for details. Authors/Contributors ---------------------- Torben Hohn, Paul Davis, Kjetil Matheussen, Joe Button, and some other guy (sorry, no time to find your name now, it's in the source somewhere). This document was written originally by Torben Hohn. It was revised on 15 June 2006 by DLP. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jun 15 11:43:45 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jun 15 11:44:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <20060615094030.GA3452@spma33> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> <1150215361.19205.14.camel@mindpipe> <20060614093728.GA2504@spma33> <1150303665.19205.187.camel@mindpipe> <20060615094030.GA3452@spma33> Message-ID: <1150386226.2925.93.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 11:40 +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Lee Revell escribe: > > That's very unfortunate and renders the site unusable for me. The Linux > > flash plugin is terrible, and why is a site dedicated to freedom relying > > on a proprietary technology? > > Talking about Flash, I'd never write a website about music which > Stevie Wonder couldn't read. Someone once told me on IRC "the linux flash player is so bad, you'd get better AV sync with an animated .gif and an embedded .wav". Lee From ivalladolidt at terra.es Thu Jun 15 11:47:35 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Jun 15 11:47:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <20060613074926.GD2656@spma33> <448ECD4C.4020402@gmail.com> <20060614093935.GB2504@spma33> <44901F4D.1040008@gmail.com> <20060615141907.GA2936@spma33> Message-ID: <20060615154735.GB3372@spma33> Carlo Capocasa escribe: > If you have a lot of analogue gear you need to be proficient in music, > digital engineering AND analogue engineering, so I try to at least limit > myself to two fields and let the technology be smart as far as the > analogue chain goes. It's always worth asking oneself, which part of the experience is the one I fancy? I enjoy starting songs, starting to put musical pieces together. I don't bother myself finishing a song. I've never used mastering software. Moreover my brother is the opposite, he needs to have things finished in a couple of hours because what he enjoys is sharing it with friends. I understand perfectly you only find comfortable having an analog chain as small as posible so you can center yourself in what's happening inside the computer. Others we enjoy grooveboxes. :) Indeed this is what's nice about Linux audio, extends freedom, further away from where freedom reached during first years of electronic musical production, which wasn't precisely "near". Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From ivalladolidt at terra.es Thu Jun 15 11:50:35 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Jun 15 11:50:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst-1.8 README revised In-Reply-To: <200606151526.09503.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> References: <20060527120819.GA8066@mobilat> <44916011.6090206@woh.rr.com> <200606151526.09503.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> Message-ID: <20060615155035.GC3372@spma33> Chris Cannam escribe: > Michael Gerdau managed to find it, and sent me a link for inclusion in the > dssi-vst README (but I haven't made another release since then). It's at > this highly memorable location: > > http://www.steinberg.de/324+M54a708de802.html Sorry for being so insistent, but the correct link's (right now the one you include) been referred from [1]here since years: 1. http://ygrabit.steinberg.de/~ygrabit/public_html/index.html So IMHO this is the link which should be included in any docs. > I wonder how long it'll stay there. No matter how long as far as *my link* is the one referred. :) Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From lars.luthman at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 12:30:13 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Thu Jun 15 12:30:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst-1.8 README revised In-Reply-To: <44917BBC.9050202@woh.rr.com> References: <20060527120819.GA8066@mobilat> <44915CE2.8020207@woh.rr.com> <44915FD4.70403@woh.rr.com> <1150378371.8896.3.camel@localhost> <44917BBC.9050202@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1150389013.8896.7.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 11:24 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Lars Luthman wrote: > > >On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 09:25 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > > > > > >>Two lines added to note that JACK and LASH must be started before > >>running the fst binary. > >> > >> > > > >Unless you set JACK_START_SERVER and LASH_START_SERVER in your environment. > > > Exact syntax ? Perhaps like so : > > export JACK_START_SERVER=1 > > ? Please advise, thanks. > > Minimum JACK/LASH versions for this to work ? I have export JACK_START_SERVER=1 export LASH_START_SERVER=1 in my .bashrc. It works with LASH since 0.5.1. For JACK I don't know, but it works with any non-ancient version. Autostarting should really be made the default behaviour. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060615/6eae183d/attachment.bin From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Jun 15 12:37:24 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Jun 15 12:38:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst-1.8 README revised In-Reply-To: <44918084.30500@woh.rr.com> References: <20060527120819.GA8066@mobilat> <44915CE2.8020207@woh.rr.com> <44915FD4.70403@woh.rr.com> <1150378371.8896.3.camel@localhost> <44917BBC.9050202@woh.rr.com> <44918084.30500@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1150389444.22276.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 11:45 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > How to build FST support for Ardour2 ? best to just wait, maybe till the end of today. From torbenh at gmx.de Thu Jun 15 14:39:31 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Thu Jun 15 14:41:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst-1.8 README revised In-Reply-To: <20060615142207.GB2936@spma33> References: <20060527120819.GA8066@mobilat> <44915CE2.8020207@woh.rr.com> <20060615142207.GB2936@spma33> Message-ID: <20060615183931.GA8206@mobilat> On Thu, Jun 15, 2006 at 04:22:07PM +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Dave Phillips escribe: > > 1) Does the Steinberg link work for anyone ? I just get the same > > page appearing over and over, no matter where I go on the site. > > This is [1]the link to be followed: > > 1. http://ygrabit.steinberg.de/~ygrabit/public_html/index.html > > Better if it's specified that's the version 2.3 of the SDK the one > which needs to be downloaded. I just compiled fst using 2.3 and was > unable to using 2.4. i did not look into the 2.4 vstsdk yet... with some "find and sed" magic it should however be possible to compile with the 2.4sdk. Thanks a lot Dave. Much apreciated. but changing the fst-1.8.tar silently is not nice, because md5 would change. I could roll a 1.8.1 in the meantime... we should at least put the README onto the webserver... joebutton: do you read me ? > > Cordially, Ismael > -- > Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 > Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org > http://digitrazos.info/ > http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From eric at zhevny.com Thu Jun 15 16:18:45 2006 From: eric at zhevny.com (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Thu Jun 15 16:18:51 2006 Subject: specimen maintenance (was Re: [linux-audio-user] [PATCHES] LASH for jack-rack and specimen) In-Reply-To: <20060614174309.GH25648@localhost> References: <20060608103519.3ca22335@mango.fruits> <449004F1.80103@zhevny.com> <20060614174309.GH25648@localhost> Message-ID: <4491C0A5.9000408@zhevny.com> Yves Potin wrote: > Le 14 Jun ? 08:45, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki ecrivait: >>Please, everyone interested in specimen's future, tell me what you need. >> Are there outstanding bugs? feature requests? other patches? etc, etc. > Hello, it's great to see that Specimen is still alive, thank you > very much. The lack of a 64 bits version was the reason why I chose a > couple of months ago to stay in 32 bits, and after searching fot a while I > realize that it was you who answerded me something :) I've a new amd turion (64bit) laptop, so I have some interest in this should be able to put some effort toward it. > (http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2006/03/1152.html) > > On the other hand, after searching, I've never found a way to > obtain multiple audio outputs, i.e. one for each sample or midi channel. I > don't know if this would be of interest for others.. > Best, There isn't a way right now. Thorsten has requested multiple jack-outs as well. Apparantly Pete wanted this, too, before he zombified. It's on the wishlist. Thanks, Eric Rz. From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Jun 15 17:09:38 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Jun 15 17:09:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: <20060615154735.GB3372@spma33> References: <20060613074926.GD2656@spma33> <448ECD4C.4020402@gmail.com> <20060614093935.GB2504@spma33> <44901F4D.1040008@gmail.com> <20060615141907.GA2936@spma33> <20060615154735.GB3372@spma33> Message-ID: Yeah, exactly, I love it. You have this tremendously effective philosophy and you can still right on its fruits even when you occasionally chose different. It's so effective it can easily balance it out. Good to be involved! God must we all be absolutely fantastically smart people that we are involved with linux audio. ;) Carlo Ismael Valladolid Torres schrieb: > Carlo Capocasa escribe: >> If you have a lot of analogue gear you need to be proficient in music, >> digital engineering AND analogue engineering, so I try to at least limit >> myself to two fields and let the technology be smart as far as the >> analogue chain goes. > > It's always worth asking oneself, which part of the experience is the > one I fancy? > > I enjoy starting songs, starting to put musical pieces together. I > don't bother myself finishing a song. I've never used mastering > software. Moreover my brother is the opposite, he needs to have things > finished in a couple of hours because what he enjoys is sharing it > with friends. > > I understand perfectly you only find comfortable having an analog > chain as small as posible so you can center yourself in what's > happening inside the computer. Others we enjoy grooveboxes. :) > > Indeed this is what's nice about Linux audio, extends freedom, further > away from where freedom reached during first years of electronic > musical production, which wasn't precisely "near". > > Cordially, Ismael From yves_p at nnx.com Thu Jun 15 17:09:41 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Thu Jun 15 17:10:03 2006 Subject: specimen maintenance (was Re: [linux-audio-user] [PATCHES] LASH for jack-rack and specimen) In-Reply-To: <4491C0A5.9000408@zhevny.com> References: <20060608103519.3ca22335@mango.fruits> <449004F1.80103@zhevny.com> <20060614174309.GH25648@localhost> <4491C0A5.9000408@zhevny.com> Message-ID: <20060615210941.GJ25648@localhost> Le 15 Jun ? 16:18, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki ecrivait: > I've a new amd turion (64bit) laptop, so I have some interest in this > should be able to put some effort toward it. I'm testing a 64bits gentoo sytem on another hard drive, if I can be of a help for any kind of test or compilation... Y. From brunogola at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 21:59:33 2006 From: brunogola at gmail.com (Bruno Gola) Date: Thu Jun 15 21:59:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some basic questions In-Reply-To: <1150320329.22738.9.camel@localhost> References: <1150320329.22738.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Thanks both of you :-) Today i've tried the jack audio connection kit and i loved it. I've tried the CAPS plugins too (with jack-rack) and it worked very fine :-) I've plugged my guitar direct into the line in of my soundcard and its sound really good.After trying a few times, i could send the sound from the amp to the soundcard, but now with the CAPS and JACK i dont need it anymore :-) Thanks again, -- Bruno Fialho Marques Gola http://www.brunogola.com.br Cel: (11) 9294-5883 From linuxmedia4 at netscape.net Thu Jun 15 19:06:30 2006 From: linuxmedia4 at netscape.net (LinuxMedia) Date: Thu Jun 15 23:05:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: specimen maintenance Message-ID: <4491E7F6.3000408@netscape.net> > I've planned to take over specimen maintenance. If the community is > willing to give me a shot at this I am still planning to take it on. I > left my job 1 week ago (the day before you wrote this). For the next > 6-12 months I am working full time on FLOSS community projects. > Specimeni s one of 3 primary concerns for me. > > Pending the approval of folks here, the new home for specimen is > http://zhevny.com/specimen/ I'm very excited to see you have decided to take over maintaining Specimen. Thanks for taking it on. It's a very worthy program to keep alive. Thanks, Rocco From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Fri Jun 16 00:33:28 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Fri Jun 16 00:34:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <1150386226.2925.93.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> <1150215361.19205.14.camel@mindpipe> <20060614093728.GA2504@spma33> <1150303665.19205.187.camel@mindpipe> <20060615094030.GA3452@spma33> <1150386226.2925.93.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44923498.9030107@boosthardware.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 11:40 +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: >> Lee Revell escribe: >>> That's very unfortunate and renders the site unusable for me. The Linux >>> flash plugin is terrible, and why is a site dedicated to freedom relying >>> on a proprietary technology? >> Talking about Flash, I'd never write a website about music which >> Stevie Wonder couldn't read. > > Someone once told me on IRC "the linux flash player is so bad, you'd get > better AV sync with an animated .gif and an embedded .wav". > > Lee > > I have been using it without problems by running firefox with aoss. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Jun 16 00:37:27 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Jun 16 00:37:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] x86_64 RT performance, ingo patches Message-ID: Has anyone tried the 2.6.17 series kernel with ingo patches on 64 bit? I've tried the 2.6.16 and couldn't get it to boot. Locked up after the loading schedulars message. I'm hoping 2.6.17 might actually work for me. Loki From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jun 16 01:21:26 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jun 16 01:21:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <44923498.9030107@boosthardware.com> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> <1150215361.19205.14.camel@mindpipe> <20060614093728.GA2504@spma33> <1150303665.19205.187.camel@mindpipe> <20060615094030.GA3452@spma33> <1150386226.2925.93.camel@mindpipe> <44923498.9030107@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <1150435287.22106.7.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 11:33 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 11:40 +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > >> Lee Revell escribe: > >>> That's very unfortunate and renders the site unusable for me. The Linux > >>> flash plugin is terrible, and why is a site dedicated to freedom relying > >>> on a proprietary technology? > >> Talking about Flash, I'd never write a website about music which > >> Stevie Wonder couldn't read. > > > > Someone once told me on IRC "the linux flash player is so bad, you'd get > > better AV sync with an animated .gif and an embedded .wav". > > > > Lee > > > > > > > I have been using it without problems by running firefox with aoss. > Maybe it depends on the speed of the machine. All I know is that I and everyone I talked to about it on IRC is afflicted by the AV sync bug. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jun 16 01:22:27 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jun 16 01:22:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] x86_64 RT performance, ingo patches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1150435348.22106.9.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 14:37 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > Has anyone tried the 2.6.17 series kernel with ingo patches on 64 bit? > I've tried the 2.6.16 and couldn't get it to boot. Locked up after the > loading schedulars message. I'm hoping 2.6.17 might actually work for > me. That bug should be fixed with the last 2.6.16 -rt patch. Lee From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Jun 16 02:07:05 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Jun 16 02:07:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 RT performance, ingo patches In-Reply-To: <1150435348.22106.9.camel@mindpipe> References: <1150435348.22106.9.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 6/16/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 14:37 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > Has anyone tried the 2.6.17 series kernel with ingo patches on 64 bit? > > I've tried the 2.6.16 and couldn't get it to boot. Locked up after the > > loading schedulars message. I'm hoping 2.6.17 might actually work for > > me. > > That bug should be fixed with the last 2.6.16 -rt patch. > > Lee > > Nice one, guess i'll try on the weekend. Any idea how to copy and change the fs of your root partition? I guess i copy it to my spare harddrive then boot to cd and copy the data back over? My new 300gb sata harddrive is ext3 but my root drive and other data drive is reiser3. From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Jun 16 02:08:11 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Jun 16 02:08:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <1150435287.22106.7.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> <1150215361.19205.14.camel@mindpipe> <20060614093728.GA2504@spma33> <1150303665.19205.187.camel@mindpipe> <20060615094030.GA3452@spma33> <1150386226.2925.93.camel@mindpipe> <44923498.9030107@boosthardware.com> <1150435287.22106.7.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 6/16/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 11:33 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 11:40 +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > >> Lee Revell escribe: > > >>> That's very unfortunate and renders the site unusable for me. The > Linux > > >>> flash plugin is terrible, and why is a site dedicated to freedom > relying > > >>> on a proprietary technology? > > >> Talking about Flash, I'd never write a website about music which > > >> Stevie Wonder couldn't read. > > > > > > Someone once told me on IRC "the linux flash player is so bad, you'd get > > > better AV sync with an animated .gif and an embedded .wav". > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been using it without problems by running firefox with aoss. > > > > Maybe it depends on the speed of the machine. All I know is that I and > everyone I talked to about it on IRC is afflicted by the AV sync bug. > > Lee > > Does flash exist for x86_64? Loki From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Fri Jun 16 02:39:00 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Fri Jun 16 02:40:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <1150435287.22106.7.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> <1150215361.19205.14.camel@mindpipe> <20060614093728.GA2504@spma33> <1150303665.19205.187.camel@mindpipe> <20060615094030.GA3452@spma33> <1150386226.2925.93.camel@mindpipe> <44923498.9030107@boosthardware.com> <1150435287.22106.7.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44925204.9080604@boosthardware.com> Lee Revell wrote: >> I have been using it without problems by running firefox with aoss. >> > > Maybe it depends on the speed of the machine. All I know is that I and > everyone I talked to about it on IRC is afflicted by the AV sync bug. > If you send me a link that gives this bug I will check it out. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From yves_p at nnx.com Fri Jun 16 03:03:42 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Fri Jun 16 03:03:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 RT performance, ingo patches In-Reply-To: References: <1150435348.22106.9.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060616070342.GK25648@localhost> Le 16 Jun ? 16:07, Loki Davison ecrivait: > Nice one, guess i'll try on the weekend. Any idea how to copy and > change the fs of your root partition? I guess i copy it to my spare > harddrive then boot to cd and copy the data back over? My new 300gb > sata harddrive is ext3 but my root drive and other data drive is > reiser3. AFAIK there's abolutely no way to transform a reiser file system into something other. The only way is, as you say, to copy the data elsewhere and mkfs on the partition. Y. From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Fri Jun 16 03:25:45 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Petter_Sundl=F6f?=) Date: Fri Jun 16 03:25:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <44925204.9080604@boosthardware.com> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> <1150215361.19205.14.camel@mindpipe> <20060614093728.GA2504@spma33> <1150303665.19205.187.camel@mindpipe> <20060615094030.GA3452@spma33> <1150386226.2925.93.camel@mindpipe> <44923498.9030107@boosthardware.com> <1150435287.22106.7.camel@mindpipe> <44925204.9080604@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44925CF9.4000007@findus.dhs.org> Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > >>> I have been using it without problems by running firefox with aoss. >>> >> >> Maybe it depends on the speed of the machine. All I know is that I and >> everyone I talked to about it on IRC is afflicted by the AV sync bug. >> > > If you send me a link that gives this bug I will check it out. > > Cheers. Every single streaming Flash video will exhibit this bug for me. It becomes painfully noticeable (like 1-2 seconds a/v delay) when there's has been pausing because of buffering. AMD643200, 1GB RAM, latest Firefox, latest Flash plugin, SBLive/emu10k1 and ALSA+OSS compatibility modules. From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Fri Jun 16 03:47:12 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Fri Jun 16 03:48:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <44925CF9.4000007@findus.dhs.org> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> <1150215361.19205.14.camel@mindpipe> <20060614093728.GA2504@spma33> <1150303665.19205.187.camel@mindpipe> <20060615094030.GA3452@spma33> <1150386226.2925.93.camel@mindpipe> <44923498.9030107@boosthardware.com> <1150435287.22106.7.camel@mindpipe> <44925204.9080604@boosthardware.com> <44925CF9.4000007@findus.dhs.org> Message-ID: <44926200.3050402@boosthardware.com> Petter Sundl?f wrote: > > > Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> Lee Revell wrote: >> >>>> I have been using it without problems by running firefox with aoss. >>>> >>> >>> Maybe it depends on the speed of the machine. All I know is that I and >>> everyone I talked to about it on IRC is afflicted by the AV sync bug. >>> >> >> If you send me a link that gives this bug I will check it out. >> >> Cheers. > > Every single streaming Flash video will exhibit this bug for me. It > becomes painfully noticeable (like 1-2 seconds a/v delay) when there's > has been pausing because of buffering. > > AMD643200, 1GB RAM, latest Firefox, latest Flash plugin, SBLive/emu10k1 > and ALSA+OSS compatibility modules. > I just checked out these and even though there was numerous pauses in the stream the sync stayed for me: http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/getcreative/ I have noticed more sync problems with gmplayer than the flash plugin but my gmplayer is quite old now. :-/ Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz 2.6.13.2 (gcc version 3.3.2 (Debian) MemTotal: 482092 kB Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.11rc4 Firefox/1.5.0.1 Flash 7,0,25,0 -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From ivalladolidt at terra.es Fri Jun 16 03:59:41 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Fri Jun 16 04:02:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <448ECD4C.4020402@gmail.com> <20060614093935.GB2504@spma33> <44901F4D.1040008@gmail.com> <20060615141907.GA2936@spma33> <20060615154735.GB3372@spma33> Message-ID: <20060616075941.GA3572@spma33> Carlo Capocasa escribe: > God must we all be absolutely fantastically smart people that we are > involved with linux audio. I do think we are but don't let audio users on other platforms notice. :P Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ ~When I grow up I will go there~ From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Jun 16 04:34:40 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Fri Jun 16 04:34:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <44926200.3050402@boosthardware.com> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> <1150215361.19205.14.camel@mindpipe> <20060614093728.GA2504@spma33> <1150303665.19205.187.camel@mindpipe> <20060615094030.GA3452@spma33> <1150386226.2925.93.camel@mindpipe> <44923498.9030107@boosthardware.com> <1150435287.22106.7.camel@mindpipe> <44925204.9080604@boosthardware.com> <44925CF9.4000007@findus.dhs.org> <44926200.3050402@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060616103440.5a8d558a@mango.fruits> On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:47:12 +0700 Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > Every single streaming Flash video will exhibit this bug for me. It > > becomes painfully noticeable (like 1-2 seconds a/v delay) when there's > > has been pausing because of buffering. > > > > AMD643200, 1GB RAM, latest Firefox, latest Flash plugin, SBLive/emu10k1 > > and ALSA+OSS compatibility modules. > > > > I just checked out these and even though there was numerous pauses in > the stream the sync stayed for me: > > http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/getcreative/ > > I have noticed more sync problems with gmplayer than the flash plugin > but my gmplayer is quite old now. :-/ http://youtube.com/watch?v=p2RRUVAD9Mc&search=john%20scofield That one is a good example of where the sync goes off [besides being a burning performance by pat martino and john scofield and the backing band] Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Fri Jun 16 04:52:34 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Fri Jun 16 04:53:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <20060616103440.5a8d558a@mango.fruits> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> <1150215361.19205.14.camel@mindpipe> <20060614093728.GA2504@spma33> <1150303665.19205.187.camel@mindpipe> <20060615094030.GA3452@spma33> <1150386226.2925.93.camel@mindpipe> <44923498.9030107@boosthardware.com> <1150435287.22106.7.camel@mindpipe> <44925204.9080604@boosthardware.com> <44925CF9.4000007@findus.dhs.org> <44926200.3050402@boosthardware.com> <20060616103440.5a8d558a@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <44927152.8010200@boosthardware.com> Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=p2RRUVAD9Mc&search=john%20scofield > > That one is a good example of where the sync goes off [besides being a > burning performance by pat martino and john scofield and the backing > band] > > Flo > That one definitely has buffer problems for me but the finger taps and drumstick hits all seems to line up when the buffer clears. I haven't noticed the video getting way behind. Just constantly stopping which means I won't get through the whole performance because it's annoying me... -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Jun 16 05:43:43 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Fri Jun 16 05:43:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <44927152.8010200@boosthardware.com> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> <1150215361.19205.14.camel@mindpipe> <20060614093728.GA2504@spma33> <1150303665.19205.187.camel@mindpipe> <20060615094030.GA3452@spma33> <1150386226.2925.93.camel@mindpipe> <44923498.9030107@boosthardware.com> <1150435287.22106.7.camel@mindpipe> <44925204.9080604@boosthardware.com> <44925CF9.4000007@findus.dhs.org> <44926200.3050402@boosthardware.com> <20060616103440.5a8d558a@mango.fruits> <44927152.8010200@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060616114343.766b3781@mango.fruits> On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:52:34 +0700 Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=p2RRUVAD9Mc&search=john%20scofield > > > > That one is a good example of where the sync goes off [besides being a > > burning performance by pat martino and john scofield and the backing > > band] > > > > Flo > > > > That one definitely has buffer problems for me but the finger taps and > drumstick hits all seems to line up when the buffer clears. I haven't > noticed the video getting way behind. Just constantly stopping which > means I won't get through the whole performance because it's annoying me... Interesting. My net access seems fast enough to not get buffering probs, but the sync is waaay off. It might be it depends on the flash plugin version or something. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Jun 16 05:59:26 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Jun 16 05:59:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: <20060616075941.GA3572@spma33> References: <448ECD4C.4020402@gmail.com> <20060614093935.GB2504@spma33> <44901F4D.1040008@gmail.com> <20060615141907.GA2936@spma33> <20060615154735.GB3372@spma33> <20060616075941.GA3572@spma33> Message-ID: Well, I do constantly praise the many advantages of the linux platform... I noticed however that there is still significant lock-out due to the command line. Ubuntu is IMHO a very large step towards a larger user base, now all we need to do there is make audio configuration command-line-free and I'd say we're set for mass migration. Oh yeah and Dave Robillard's MIDI for Ardour project is music. Pure music. Carlo From andrew.lyon at gmail.com Fri Jun 16 08:25:07 2006 From: andrew.lyon at gmail.com (Andrew Lyon) Date: Fri Jun 16 08:25:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] USB Audio device with toslink spdif output Message-ID: Hi, Can anybody recommend a usb audio device with toslink spdif output that works with alsa drivers? I need to add one to my pvr system as its onboard toslink is not well supported. My main criteria is price, and that the toslink optical spdif output must work reliably, I would really like to get a device that also has line-in connections which are output on the toslink, i.e. internally mixed into the toslnk output. I have found a few devices that might do the job: Audiotrak MAYA EX Behringer U-CONTROL UCA202 Voyetra Turtle Beach Audio Advantage Micro M-Audio Transit USB but it is hard to know if they are properly supported and work reliably. Any recommendation would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Andy From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Jun 16 08:29:08 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Jun 16 08:29:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Any drummers out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sup Julien! Well actually what I'm looking for is someone to do drumming on triggers, that is something like a ddrum, using my ZynAddSubFX kits. I'll be making those kits public soon by the way so anyone can experiment. Thanks for your Interest, Julien! Carlo Julien Claassen schrieb: > Hi Carlo! > I definitely like drumming on my midi-keyboard. But do I get this right? > You need someone to do a midi-drumtrack on any kind of linux-software, with > most probable free sounds? Or are you also interested in audiotracks? > If some livestreaming access to the net is required I'm out of it > completely, for I've no net at home. > Kindest regards > Julien > > P.S.: Btw.: I do almost all of my drumming live without step-sequencing. > > -------- > Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) > > ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== > http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide > From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Jun 16 09:34:24 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Jun 16 09:34:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] x86_64 RT performance, ingo patches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606160634q422e851fj72ec9a08f6e85bfe@mail.gmail.com> The bug stopping 2.6.16-rt from booting on the AMD64 was fixed around 2.6.16-rt25. Nothing earlier worked. I am currently running 2.6.17-rc6-rt1 and have been for about a week or a bit more. It's working fine for me so far. HTH, Mark On 6/15/06, Loki Davison wrote: > Has anyone tried the 2.6.17 series kernel with ingo patches on 64 bit? > I've tried the 2.6.16 and couldn't get it to boot. Locked up after the > loading schedulars message. I'm hoping 2.6.17 might actually work for > me. > > Loki > From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Fri Jun 16 11:25:55 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Petter_Sundl=F6f?=) Date: Fri Jun 16 11:26:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <44926200.3050402@boosthardware.com> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> <1150215361.19205.14.camel@mindpipe> <20060614093728.GA2504@spma33> <1150303665.19205.187.camel@mindpipe> <20060615094030.GA3452@spma33> <1150386226.2925.93.camel@mindpipe> <44923498.9030107@boosthardware.com> <1150435287.22106.7.camel@mindpipe> <44925204.9080604@boosthardware.com> <44925CF9.4000007@findus.dhs.org> <44926200.3050402@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <4492CD83.1050101@findus.dhs.org> > I just checked out these and even though there was numerous pauses in > the stream the sync stayed for me: > > http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/getcreative/ > > I have noticed more sync problems with gmplayer than the flash plugin > but my gmplayer is quite old now. :-/ > > > Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz > 2.6.13.2 > (gcc version 3.3.2 (Debian) > MemTotal: 482092 kB > Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.11rc4 > Firefox/1.5.0.1 > Flash 7,0,25,0 GMPlayer? How does that relate to Flash contents? For me it's ALWAYS played by the Flash plugin regardless if I have mplayerplug-in installed. From maex at firstfloor.org Fri Jun 16 11:30:36 2006 From: maex at firstfloor.org (maex@firstfloor.org) Date: Fri Jun 16 11:30:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] pd-open sound controll problems Message-ID: <20060616153036.GB614@firstfloor.org> hello i ve a problem with the stability of the opensoundcontroll used in pd. currently i am running debian 2.6 kernel and pd with the pd-osc_0.1.1_i386.deb package. pd receives osc realtime data from a imageanalysis programm /eyesweb- the osc input is frequently crashing ( segmentation fault ). i tryed out several methods in buffering the data aso. over time it was crashing again. it seems that ive to replace the pd-osc pkg with a newer one, but i coulnd find a good source for debain. i just found a newer version for ubuntu pd-osc_00.20031105-5_i386.deb http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/warty/sound/pd-osc any ideas any links? pls letmeno. thank you. best m From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Fri Jun 16 13:00:27 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Fri Jun 16 13:01:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Freesound preview problem In-Reply-To: <4492CD83.1050101@findus.dhs.org> References: <20060613111114.GE1104@spma33> <1150215361.19205.14.camel@mindpipe> <20060614093728.GA2504@spma33> <1150303665.19205.187.camel@mindpipe> <20060615094030.GA3452@spma33> <1150386226.2925.93.camel@mindpipe> <44923498.9030107@boosthardware.com> <1150435287.22106.7.camel@mindpipe> <44925204.9080604@boosthardware.com> <44925CF9.4000007@findus.dhs.org> <44926200.3050402@boosthardware.com> <4492CD83.1050101@findus.dhs.org> Message-ID: <4492E3AB.9080705@boosthardware.com> Petter Sundl?f wrote: >> > GMPlayer? How does that relate to Flash contents? For me it's ALWAYS > played by the Flash plugin regardless if I have mplayerplug-in installed. > Same here. I meant it as a comparison. I get more consistent quality from the flash plugin when it comes to sync. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jun 16 14:09:43 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jun 16 14:09:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 RT performance, ingo patches In-Reply-To: References: <1150435348.22106.9.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1150481384.24956.4.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 16:07 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > On 6/16/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 14:37 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > > Has anyone tried the 2.6.17 series kernel with ingo patches on 64 bit? > > > I've tried the 2.6.16 and couldn't get it to boot. Locked up after the > > > loading schedulars message. I'm hoping 2.6.17 might actually work for > > > me. > > > > That bug should be fixed with the last 2.6.16 -rt patch. > > > > Lee > > > > > > Nice one, guess i'll try on the weekend. Any idea how to copy and > change the fs of your root partition? I guess i copy it to my spare > harddrive then boot to cd and copy the data back over? My new 300gb > sata harddrive is ext3 but my root drive and other data drive is > reiser3. > I would recommend you attack one issue at a time. But yes, that will work. It might not even be the case anymore that reiser3 causes latency problems - the -rt kernel and the introduction of the preemptible BKL probably improved the situation. It has been a long time since I tested it. Lee From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Jun 16 14:31:01 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Jun 16 14:31:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour CPU Hogups Message-ID: Hi, I am using Ardour as my main production tool. Quite a lot is at stake, since I intend to be earning 20'000 to 30'000 dollars per month in the business my production work is part of, and funnel quite a lot of that into all those wonderful open source projects I'm using right now. The problem is, as far as I can track it down, that CPU usage goes over the roof as soon as the stop button is pressed in ardour after loading a specific number of LADSPA plugins (though it doesn't appear to matter which ones). It's not just a few dropouts either; either there are no XRUNS, or you can't even move the mouse. Sorry I can't be more specific, I'm puzzled myself. Maybe this can be worked out right here. I use Xubuntu Dapper, out of the box. Carlo From TimBlechmann at gmx.net Fri Jun 16 15:05:40 2006 From: TimBlechmann at gmx.net (Tim Blechmann) Date: Fri Jun 16 15:03:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour CPU Hogups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1150484740.4113.24.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 20:31 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > The problem is, as far as I can track it down, that CPU usage goes > over > the roof as soon as the stop button is pressed in ardour after loading > a > specific number of LADSPA plugins (though it doesn't appear to matter > which ones). It's not just a few dropouts either; either there are no > XRUNS, or you can't even move the mouse. that sounds to be related to a denormal problem ... try to figure out, which plugin causes the trouble and lobby the authors to fix their code ... from my experience, some swh plugins suffer from denormal problems (possiblty, because steve is working on amd machines?), but it's more or less trivial to fix that ... hth ... tim -- tim@klingt.org ICQ: 96771783 http://www.mokabar.tk After one look at this planet any visitor from outer space would say "I want to see the manager." William S. Burroughs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This release is the first official one which incorporates the new CLAM Music Annotator featuring chord extraction. Almost 30 new spectral transformations have been incorporated into the processing repository. Some of them are already available from the NetworkEditor. Application usage has received some extra stress on this release. Applications are better integrated on Windows and Linux desktops. Step by step application tutorials are available on the clam wiki for Music Annotator [1], SMSTools [2], Network Editor and Prototyper [3]. And, all of them all provide examples to start with. Please read these and other improvements in the changelog [4] or visit our website [5] for further details. We expect as much feedback as possible from all our users. Besides the mailing list, you can likely find us at #clam channel on FreeNode (IRC network). The CLAM team [1] http://iua-share.upf.es/wikis/clam/index.php/Music_Annotator_tutorial [2] http://iua-share.upf.es/wikis/clam/index.php/SMSTools_tutorial [3] http://iua-share.upf.es/wikis/clam/index.php/Network_Editor_tutorial [4] http://clam.iua.upf.edu/ChangeLog.html [5] http://clam.iua.upf.edu From public at 0x09.com Fri Jun 16 17:14:47 2006 From: public at 0x09.com (I. E. Smith-Heisters) Date: Fri Jun 16 17:14:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: Well.. just in case someone sees something that I don't, I thought I'd include a transcript of a failed session. But I don't see any errors there, except that it crashes, of course. # jackd -v -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -S getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/libjack0.100.0-0/jack_alsa.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/libjack0.100.0-0/jack_dummy.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/libjack0.100.0-0/jack_oss.so jackd 0.100.0 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. server `default' registered loading driver .. apparent rate = 48000 creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|16bit control device hw:0 registered builtin port type 32 bit float mono audio running with uid=0 and euid=0, will not try to use capabilites new client: alsa_pcm, id = 1 type 1 @ 0x8058a78 fd = -1 configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods nperiods = 2 for capture nperiods = 2 for playback new buffer size 1024 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_1, offset = 4096 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_2, offset = 8192 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_1, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_2, offset = 0 ++ jack_rechain_graph(): client alsa_pcm: internal client, execution_order=0. -- jack_rechain_graph() 6316 waiting for signals jackd watchdog: timeout - killing jackd Aborted # Thanks for any tips you might have. I'm quite stumped. Either no one has tried to use jack with an ICH7 family chipset (highly unlikely--it's quite common), or no one's run into this problem, since I can't find a single post about problems with ICH7 and Jack through Google. Thanks again, ian On 6/14/06, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: > Okay, looked at it some more. When RT is enabled, jack just locks up > and the watchdog terminates the process, regardless of the buffer > size. When RT is disabled the xruns are allowed to continue, and the > number of xruns decreases with a higher buffer size (but never go > below about 10/second). There's no evidence that RT mode has failed to > be set. This is all as root. > > I am using the proprietary NVIDIA drivers, as gotten from the Ubuntu > repositories. I would be surprised if this had anything to do with it > though, since direct alsa works fine with the same xOrg drivers. > Unless, of course, there's some software conflict between the video > drivers and jack itself (as opposed to there being a hardware-level > conflict). > > hmm.... > > thanks for the advice. > > -Ian > > On 6/13/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 16:17 -0400, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: > > > I've futzed around a bit more. I'd done this before, but I'd forgotten > > > the exact results except that it didn't work. Tried all this both with > > > and without RT and 16bit mode forced: > > > > > > upping frames/period to 4096 reduces the number of xruns to several/second. > > > upping periods/buffer to 3 still gives xruns, as well as "usecs > > > exceeds estimated spare time" messages. > > > upping periods/buffer to 4 makes initialization fail with "ALSA: got > > > smaller periods 2 than 4 for playback" > > > putting it into non-duplex (ie. playback only) has no effect on behavior. > > > > > > So, yeah, that's why it's mysterious. In the past I sacrifice latency > > > for no xruns, and everything's dandy. Not so, this time... > > > > > > Thanks for the suggestions. > > > > Are you saying that RT mode has no effect on the xruns? I find this > > hard to believe. > > > > Check the messages from JACK - maybe it's failing to set RT mode (thisis > > a bug that's fixed in the development tree). > > > > Try these tests in RT mode as root to be sure. > > > > Are you using the proprietary ATI or Nvidia drivers? > > > > Lee > > > > > From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Fri Jun 16 17:28:39 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Fri Jun 16 17:25:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 RT performance, ingo patches In-Reply-To: <1150481384.24956.4.camel@mindpipe> References: <"1 1 50435348.22106.9.camel"@mindpipe> <"ec9314860606152307u422ce3c7l45f09f4b383d c8 7"@mail.gmail.com> <1150481384.24956.4.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44932287.3050204@prodigy.net.mx> Lee Revell escribi?: > I would recommend you attack one issue at a time. But yes, that will > work. > > It might not even be the case anymore that reiser3 causes latency > problems - the -rt kernel and the introduction of the preemptible BKL > probably improved the situation. It has been a long time since I tested > it. > > Lee > > > Hmm... it might be interesting to have a test case of this... From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jun 16 17:45:39 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jun 16 17:45:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: x86_64 RT performance, ingo patches In-Reply-To: <44932287.3050204@prodigy.net.mx> References: <"1 1 50435348.22106.9.camel"@mindpipe> <"ec9314860606152307u422ce3c7l45f09f4b383d c8 7"@mail.gmail.com> <1150481384.24956.4.camel@mindpipe> <44932287.3050204@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <1150494340.26252.3.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 16:28 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Lee Revell escribi?: > > I would recommend you attack one issue at a time. But yes, that will > > work. > > > > It might not even be the case anymore that reiser3 causes latency > > problems - the -rt kernel and the introduction of the preemptible BKL > > probably improved the situation. It has been a long time since I tested > > it. > > > > Lee > > > > > > > Hmm... it might be interesting to have a test case of this... > It should be trivial to make one. The -rt kernel is of course unaffected, as all filesystem operations are offloaded to IRQ threads and softirqd. For testing the mainline kernel, use 2.6.16 with this patch: http://people.redhat.com/mingo/latency-tracing-patches/latency-tracing-v2.6.16.patch Generate a lot of disk activity (dbench, tiobench, etc) and check /proc/latency_trace for reiserfs related entries. Lee From lt at westnet.com Sat Jun 17 01:37:15 2006 From: lt at westnet.com (Larry Troxler) Date: Fri Jun 16 22:37:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Progressive Quantisation (long) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0606131820w1340afd4geadaa3e9dd8649a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060614000013.781597ea@office> <5bdc1c8b0606131820w1340afd4geadaa3e9dd8649a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200606162237.16148.lt@westnet.com> On Tuesday 13 June 2006 18:20, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 6/13/06, Folderol wrote: > > Well I don't know if this term actually exists or if I've just invented > > it! > > > > This is an idea I've thought about for quite some time, years in fact, > > but don't have the programming ability to try to put it into practice. > > As I think it should really be part of, or a plugin to a sequencer I've > > posted to LAU & Rosegarden lists. I hope nobody minds. I'd be very > > interested in other people's thoughts on it. > > > > > What I would like to see is quantisation algorythm the detects trends > > rather than absolute values, then progressively applies small > > corrections the keep overall timing correct. (it would of course have > > to operate over all tracks simultaneously). > So you have this tempo-imprecise piece of playing that you've recorded, and now you want to quantize it in such a way that the resulting performance follows a strict metronome throughout the whole piece? If so, then might I offer a thought here? it seems to me that what you are asking for is a beat detector, followed by tempo editing. I think that this would be a more general purpose feature set that would still accomplish what you want to do. Consider that often (at least in my case) I would like to detect the beats, but _not_ to correct the tempo, since to me at least, the slight variation in tempo sounds natural and captures the original spirit of the recording. However, I might like to add additional tracks that are synchronized to this meandering tempo, and also would like a notation display of the tempo-meandering performance. So in my case, I would run the beat detector, which would generate a tempo map and adjust the event times> The end result would sound the same as the original performance. In your case, you would take the additional step of then editing the tempo map to clear out all the generated tempo changes. That is, if I understand what you want to do correctly. Of course, there's always the possibility to provide an option in the sequencer's beat detector dialog, to not change the tempo map, and only adjust the event times. There is some prior art in studying beat detection algorithms - consider http://www.ofai.at/~simon.dixon/beatroot/index.html > Anyway, the thought I was having had to do with the need to discover > which hits were intended to be on the beat, whatever that is, and > which hits where these ghost notes. IMHO a good tool for changing MIDI > tempo would determine which is which and would vary the tempo without > making huge changes to the time between the main hit and it's ghost. > Would this in practice be an issue if the tempo doesn't vary wildly? If it is an issue, I guest there are several possible approaches to deal with it. And exercise for the reader, as they say? :-) Regards Larry From capocasa at gmx.net Sat Jun 17 00:29:53 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sat Jun 17 00:30:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Ardour CPU Hogups In-Reply-To: <1150484740.4113.24.camel@localhost> References: <1150484740.4113.24.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > that sounds to be related to a denormal problem ... try to figure out, > which plugin causes the trouble and lobby the authors to fix their > code ... > from my experience, some swh plugins suffer from denormal problems > (possiblty, because steve is working on amd machines?), but it's more or > less trivial to fix that ... Right on, I was using the SC4 or SC4 mono plugins on all the tracks. When I took those out, everything went back to normal again. I even thought of denormals but didn't even bother testing Steve's plugins because they usually work so well. So, everything well again! Thanks tons this was perfect... I'm using a 2GHz Intel Pentium 4 processor, BTW. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Sat Jun 17 00:36:02 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sat Jun 17 00:36:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Ardour CPU Hogups In-Reply-To: References: <1150484740.4113.24.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Oh yeah, interestingly, I was using the stock Ubuntu Kernel when I couldn't even move the mouse any more. Meanwhile I compiled myself a Kernel with Ingo's patches using the directions at UbuntuStudio.com. With this one, the CPU usage was 99% too, but the GUI was still perfectly responsive. Perfect argument for including the patch in the main kernel tree... Responsive GUI no matter what happens to the CPU. > Right on, I was using the SC4 or SC4 mono plugins on all the tracks. > When I took those out, everything went back to normal again. > > I even thought of denormals but didn't even bother testing Steve's > plugins because they usually work so well. > > So, everything well again! Thanks tons this was perfect... > > I'm using a 2GHz Intel Pentium 4 processor, BTW. From jack.oquin at gmail.com Sat Jun 17 00:51:43 2006 From: jack.oquin at gmail.com (Jack O'Quin) Date: Sat Jun 17 00:51:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 6/14/06, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: > Okay, looked at it some more. When RT is enabled, jack just locks up > and the watchdog terminates the process, regardless of the buffer > size. When RT is disabled the xruns are allowed to continue, and the > number of xruns decreases with a higher buffer size (but never go > below about 10/second). There's no evidence that RT mode has failed to > be set. This is all as root. > > I am using the proprietary NVIDIA drivers, as gotten from the Ubuntu > repositories. I would be surprised if this had anything to do with it > though, since direct alsa works fine with the same xOrg drivers. > Unless, of course, there's some software conflict between the video > drivers and jack itself (as opposed to there being a hardware-level > conflict). It would not surprise me for the proprietary drivers to behave in a non-realtime-safe manner. This would affect JACK much worse than some heavily-buffered ALSA application. Can you try it with the open source driver to compare? -- joq From fbar at footils.org Sat Jun 17 04:10:57 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Jun 17 04:11:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] pd-open sound controll problems In-Reply-To: <20060616153036.GB614@firstfloor.org> References: <20060616153036.GB614@firstfloor.org> Message-ID: <20060617081057.GC13359@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, maex@firstfloor.org hat gesagt: // maex@firstfloor.org wrote: > i just found a newer version for ubuntu pd-osc_00.20031105-5_i386.deb > http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/warty/sound/pd-osc Even this is *years* old, delete it immediatly. ;) I would recommend to compile OSC yourself. Just check out the sources from CVS at http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=55736 then go to CVSROOT/externals/OSCx/, type "configure && make" and copy over the *.pd_linux files in src to /usr/lib/pd/extra Or, if you have a bit more time, check out CVSROOT/pure-data/packages/linux_make to build the whole tree of almost all current externals and current Pd called "pd-extended". Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Jun 17 08:10:27 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Jun 17 08:01:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAM ?? Message-ID: <4493F133.5000500@woh.rr.com> Received from lam.fugal.net : Bad Gateway: The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. What's up ? dp From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sat Jun 17 08:17:24 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sat Jun 17 08:59:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAM ?? In-Reply-To: <4493F133.5000500@woh.rr.com> References: <4493F133.5000500@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060617121724.GM9801@fitz.Belkin> On Sat, 17 Jun, 2006 at 08:10AM -0400, Dave Phillips spake thus: > Received from lam.fugal.net : > > Bad Gateway: The proxy server received an invalid response from an > upstream server. > > What's up ? What were you doing? James > dp > > > > From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Jun 17 09:45:22 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Jun 17 09:36:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAM ?? In-Reply-To: <20060617121724.GM9801@fitz.Belkin> References: <4493F133.5000500@woh.rr.com> <20060617121724.GM9801@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <44940772.6090201@woh.rr.com> james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: >On Sat, 17 Jun, 2006 at 08:10AM -0400, Dave Phillips spake thus: > > >>Received from lam.fugal.net : >> >>Bad Gateway: The proxy server received an invalid response from an >>upstream server. >> >>What's up ? >> >> > >What were you doing? > > Visiting. From capocasa at gmx.net Sat Jun 17 10:33:01 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sat Jun 17 10:33:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Some basic questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bruno, welcome to the list. For recording, the weapon of choice is Ardour. As for Hydrogen, I think it's a very good drum machine for playing with or jamming, but I wouldn't use it in music production. The sample kits are rather limited. I'm working on a series of drum sample kits for the excellent ZynAddSubFX synthesizer. If you prefer acoustic samples, I would get them from http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/, and load them into the sampler Specimen, and trigger them with the sequencer Seq24. This way you will have unlimited supply of samples because there are constantly people recording samples and uploading them to the freesound project, while hydrogen samples largely depend on the work of one person. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Sat Jun 17 11:14:31 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sat Jun 17 11:14:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Denormal Trouble Message-ID: My problems with CPU hogging are unfortunately not solved. They are most probably denormal problems. I have a Pentium 4 Mobile CPU. I am using SWH 4.14, TAP 0.7 and also CAPS 0.7. Following Dave's advice I compiled SWH and TAP myself and used the --enable-sse switch on SWH and added -mfpmath=sse -msse2 to the TAP makefile. This had no effect. Is anyone aware of a user-space solution to this problem? Carlo From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Jun 17 11:32:05 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Jun 17 11:22:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Some basic questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44942075.5090108@woh.rr.com> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > As for Hydrogen, I think it's a very good drum machine for playing > with or jamming, but I wouldn't use it in music production. > > The sample kits are rather limited. IIRC Hydrogen is based on libsndfile so you should be able to use any sounds in any format supported by that excellent library. > ... there are constantly people recording samples and uploading them > to the freesound project, while hydrogen samples largely depend on the > work of one person. Emiliano Grilli and Artemiy Pavlov have designed excellent kits for Hydrogen, and you can easily create & save your own kits from any sounds you prefer. http://www.hydrogen-music.org/?p=drumkits Best, dp From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Sat Jun 17 11:33:43 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Sat Jun 17 11:33:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Some basic questions In-Reply-To: <44942075.5090108@woh.rr.com> References: <44942075.5090108@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <449420D7.9030802@chapelperilous.net> Dave Phillips wrote: > Emiliano Grilli and Artemiy Pavlov have designed excellent kits for > Hydrogen, and you can easily create & save your own kits from any sounds > you prefer. There are also hydrogen mappings available for the Natural Studio kit: http://www.naturalstudio.co.uk/ And the mapping file is here: http://rdoursenaud.free.fr/linux/ns_kit7free-h2.tar.gz -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From smcameron at yahoo.com Sat Jun 17 11:48:35 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Sat Jun 17 11:48:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Some basic questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060617154835.44593.qmail@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Hi Bruno, welcome to the list. > > For recording, the weapon of choice is Ardour. > > As for Hydrogen, I think it's a very good drum machine for playing with > or jamming, but I wouldn't use it in music production. > > The sample kits are rather limited. > > I'm working on a series of drum sample kits for the excellent > ZynAddSubFX synthesizer. > > If you prefer acoustic samples, I would get them from > http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/, and load them into the sampler Specimen, > and trigger them with the sequencer Seq24. Gneutronica is the MIDI drum sequencer I made. It has some good points (pretty flexible tempo control, easy, one click setting of note placement and velocity) It has some limitations too of course (right now only works with raw midi interface, not the alsa sequencer interface (snd-virmidi gets around that though.) and doesn't sync with Jack... I plan to work on that...eventually I'll get it there.) In any case, I've made some tolerable drum tracks with it. http://gneutronica.sourceforge.net -- steve -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From TimBlechmann at gmx.net Sat Jun 17 12:24:48 2006 From: TimBlechmann at gmx.net (Tim Blechmann) Date: Sat Jun 17 12:22:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Denormal Trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1150561488.9371.7.camel@localhost> > Following Dave's advice I compiled SWH and TAP myself and used the > --enable-sse switch on SWH and added -mfpmath=sse -msse2 to the TAP > makefile. This had no effect. enabling sse does not necessarily help ... many host applications don't switch on the sse denormal flushing ... > Is anyone aware of a user-space solution to this problem? you could try to add a white noise at a very low volume (below the resolution of a 24bit dac) to avoid denormals... cheers ... tim -- tim@klingt.org ICQ: 96771783 http://www.mokabar.tk The composer makes plans, music laughs. Morton Feldman -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks tons this was perfect... > > I'm using a 2GHz Intel Pentium 4 processor, BTW. > You can probably get away with using those plugins if you set "Stop plugins with transport" in the Options window. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sat Jun 17 13:27:09 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sat Jun 17 13:27:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Denormal Trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060617172709.GB6008@linux-1.site> On Sat, Jun 17, 2006 at 05:14:31PM +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Following Dave's advice I compiled SWH and TAP myself and used the > --enable-sse switch on SWH and added -mfpmath=sse -msse2 to the TAP > makefile. This had no effect. > > Is anyone aware of a user-space solution to this problem? If it's indeed denormals, report this as a bug to the authors. -- FA Follie! Follie! Delirio vano e' questo! From capocasa at gmx.net Sat Jun 17 13:50:16 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sat Jun 17 13:50:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Denormal Trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Update: Enabling SSE for the SWH plugins actually worked out as a reasonable workaround, while TAP still remains broken even though I did play with various CFLAGS. It is a reasonable solution for this project since SWH has a compressor and an EQ, however of course it would be nice to have as many plugin sets as possible working, perhaps even before authors correct this. I will be more than happy to help testing to solve these problems. Bug reports are being filed. Carlo From public at 0x09.com Sat Jun 17 15:05:20 2006 From: public at 0x09.com (I. E. Smith-Heisters) Date: Sat Jun 17 15:05:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: Unfortunately, changing to the OSS "nv" driver doesn't have any observable effect on Jack's behavior.... I'll try futzing around with that possibility some more though... maybe VESA drivers? ick. Thanks! On 6/17/06, Jack O'Quin wrote: > On 6/14/06, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: > > Okay, looked at it some more. When RT is enabled, jack just locks up > > and the watchdog terminates the process, regardless of the buffer > > size. When RT is disabled the xruns are allowed to continue, and the > > number of xruns decreases with a higher buffer size (but never go > > below about 10/second). There's no evidence that RT mode has failed to > > be set. This is all as root. > > > > I am using the proprietary NVIDIA drivers, as gotten from the Ubuntu > > repositories. I would be surprised if this had anything to do with it > > though, since direct alsa works fine with the same xOrg drivers. > > Unless, of course, there's some software conflict between the video > > drivers and jack itself (as opposed to there being a hardware-level > > conflict). > > It would not surprise me for the proprietary drivers to behave in > a non-realtime-safe manner. This would affect JACK much worse > than some heavily-buffered ALSA application. > > Can you try it with the open source driver to compare? > -- > joq > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jun 17 15:19:26 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jun 17 15:19:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1150571967.26252.88.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 15:05 -0400, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: > Unfortunately, changing to the OSS "nv" driver doesn't have any > observable effect on Jack's behavior.... I'll try futzing around with > that possibility some more though... maybe VESA drivers? ick. > It's probably a sound driver bug. This HDA intel crap is really getting to be a nightmare. It seems like sound is broken on every other new laptop. Can you try the -rt kernel and enable latency tracing? Does it make any difference if you boot with ACPI disabled? Check /proc/interrupts for your soundcard - when you launch JACK in realtime mode does the interrupt count increase? Lee > Thanks! > > On 6/17/06, Jack O'Quin wrote: > > On 6/14/06, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: > > > Okay, looked at it some more. When RT is enabled, jack just locks up > > > and the watchdog terminates the process, regardless of the buffer > > > size. When RT is disabled the xruns are allowed to continue, and the > > > number of xruns decreases with a higher buffer size (but never go > > > below about 10/second). There's no evidence that RT mode has failed to > > > be set. This is all as root. > > > > > > I am using the proprietary NVIDIA drivers, as gotten from the Ubuntu > > > repositories. I would be surprised if this had anything to do with it > > > though, since direct alsa works fine with the same xOrg drivers. > > > Unless, of course, there's some software conflict between the video > > > drivers and jack itself (as opposed to there being a hardware-level > > > conflict). > > > > It would not surprise me for the proprietary drivers to behave in > > a non-realtime-safe manner. This would affect JACK much worse > > than some heavily-buffered ALSA application. > > > > Can you try it with the open source driver to compare? > > -- > > joq > > > From sonicwarrior at gmx.de Sat Jun 17 18:35:55 2006 From: sonicwarrior at gmx.de (Joachim) Date: Sat Jun 17 18:30:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface II In-Reply-To: <1150571967.26252.88.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <1150571967.26252.88.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1ef14157b3ecfb27ac9d339b5ff68ccc@gmx.de> Hi there, I am new to this list and currently planing to shift from Windows to Linux because of the inacceptable future plans regarding DRM etc. . For the audiocard I plan to use a RME Multiface II which is not listed in the ALSA soundcard matrix: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-RME#matrix AFAIK the changes didn't affect the driver so that the from the driver view it should be possible to use the Multiface II with the driver used for the Multiface (I). Does anyone already use the Multiface II successfully in a Linux system? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Joachim From yves_p at nnx.com Sat Jun 17 20:19:58 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Sat Jun 17 20:20:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface II In-Reply-To: <1ef14157b3ecfb27ac9d339b5ff68ccc@gmx.de> References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <1150571967.26252.88.camel@mindpipe> <1ef14157b3ecfb27ac9d339b5ff68ccc@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20060618001958.GM25648@localhost> Le 18 Jun ? 00:35, Joachim ecrivait: > Does anyone already use the Multiface II successfully in a Linux system? Yes. Y. From link at sumerianbabyl.com Sat Jun 17 20:30:36 2006 From: link at sumerianbabyl.com (Link Swanson) Date: Sat Jun 17 20:31:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface II In-Reply-To: <1ef14157b3ecfb27ac9d339b5ff68ccc@gmx.de> References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <1150571967.26252.88.camel@mindpipe> <1ef14157b3ecfb27ac9d339b5ff68ccc@gmx.de> Message-ID: <22192.216.17.51.98.1150590636.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> On Sat, June 17, 2006 5:35 pm, Joachim wrote: > Hi there, > > I am new to this list and currently planing to shift > from Windows to Linux because of the inacceptable > future plans regarding DRM etc. . > > For the audiocard I plan to use a RME Multiface II > which is not listed in the ALSA soundcard matrix: > http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-RME#matrix > > AFAIK the changes didn't affect the driver so that the > from the driver view it should be possible to use the Multiface II > with the driver used for the Multiface (I). > > Does anyone already use the Multiface II successfully in a Linux system? I use the Multiface II/HDSP PCI card with my Fedora Core 5 Planet CCRMA system and everything works beautifully. The HDSP mixer and HDSP conf utilities are installed automatically with alsa and work "out of the box" for me. The versatility and quality is amazing. This is actually weird timing for you to ask about this because I was planning on listing my Multiface II/HDSP PCI system on eBay tomorrow in order to pay my rent and car insurance (booo) :( To respect the integrity of this list, please email me privately if you are interested. Hope this helps Link > Thanks in advance. > > Cheers, > Joachim > > -- e-mail is . . . From loki.davison at gmail.com Sat Jun 17 21:14:54 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sat Jun 17 21:15:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Some basic questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/18/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Hi Bruno, welcome to the list. > > For recording, the weapon of choice is Ardour. > > As for Hydrogen, I think it's a very good drum machine for playing with > or jamming, but I wouldn't use it in music production. > > The sample kits are rather limited. > > I'm working on a series of drum sample kits for the excellent > ZynAddSubFX synthesizer. > > If you prefer acoustic samples, I would get them from > http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/, and load them into the sampler Specimen, > and trigger them with the sequencer Seq24. > > This way you will have unlimited supply of samples because there are > constantly people recording samples and uploading them to the freesound > project, while hydrogen samples largely depend on the work of one person. > > Carlo > > If you prefer synthesised drums you can also try the drum synth smack. http://smack.berlios.de If you want TRX0X style drums and dance style stuff it could be what your looking for. I use hydrogen for sampled stuff, though i don't use the built in sequencer. I find seq24 more useful. Loki From public at 0x09.com Sun Jun 18 12:33:08 2006 From: public at 0x09.com (I. E. Smith-Heisters) Date: Sun Jun 18 12:33:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <1150571967.26252.88.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <1150571967.26252.88.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 6/17/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > It's probably a sound driver bug. This HDA intel crap is really getting > to be a nightmare. It seems like sound is broken on every other new > laptop. Strange, Intel is no nice with OSS video drivers.. > > Can you try the -rt kernel and enable latency tracing? > You mean compile a custom kernel? Sure, I'll get back once I've tried it. > Does it make any difference if you boot with ACPI disabled? No apparent change. > > Check /proc/interrupts for your soundcard - when you launch JACK in > realtime mode does the interrupt count increase? > I *think* so, I'm not sure what the format of /proc/interrupts is. Here's what I saw: *jack not started* 11: 852 XT-PIC uhci_hcd:usb2, HDA Intel *started jack* 11: 1010 XT-PIC uhci_hcd:usb2, HDA Intel 11: 1106 XT-PIC uhci_hcd:usb2, HDA Intel 11: 1325 XT-PIC uhci_hcd:usb2, HDA Intel 11: 1537 XT-PIC uhci_hcd:usb2, HDA Intel 11: 1591 XT-PIC uhci_hcd:usb2, HDA Intel *jack crashed* 11: 1591 XT-PIC uhci_hcd:usb2, HDA Intel Alright, I'll go try a custom kernel. Ugh, I was really hoping I could go with packaged kernels. > Lee > > > Thanks! > > > > On 6/17/06, Jack O'Quin wrote: > > > On 6/14/06, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: > > > > Okay, looked at it some more. When RT is enabled, jack just locks up > > > > and the watchdog terminates the process, regardless of the buffer > > > > size. When RT is disabled the xruns are allowed to continue, and the > > > > number of xruns decreases with a higher buffer size (but never go > > > > below about 10/second). There's no evidence that RT mode has failed to > > > > be set. This is all as root. > > > > > > > > I am using the proprietary NVIDIA drivers, as gotten from the Ubuntu > > > > repositories. I would be surprised if this had anything to do with it > > > > though, since direct alsa works fine with the same xOrg drivers. > > > > Unless, of course, there's some software conflict between the video > > > > drivers and jack itself (as opposed to there being a hardware-level > > > > conflict). > > > > > > It would not surprise me for the proprietary drivers to behave in > > > a non-realtime-safe manner. This would affect JACK much worse > > > than some heavily-buffered ALSA application. > > > > > > Can you try it with the open source driver to compare? > > > -- > > > joq > > > > > > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jun 18 12:47:35 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jun 18 12:47:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <1150571967.26252.88.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1150649255.4428.68.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-06-18 at 12:33 -0400, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: > On 6/17/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > It's probably a sound driver bug. This HDA intel crap is really getting > > to be a nightmare. It seems like sound is broken on every other new > > laptop. > > Strange, Intel is no nice with OSS video drivers.. > I don't think the video driver has anything at all to do with this. Can you post the output of "dmesg" after trying JACK in realtime mode? Lee From public at 0x09.com Sun Jun 18 14:38:53 2006 From: public at 0x09.com (I. E. Smith-Heisters) Date: Sun Jun 18 14:38:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <1150649255.4428.68.camel@mindpipe> References: <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <1150571967.26252.88.camel@mindpipe> <1150649255.4428.68.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: > > > > Strange, Intel is no nice with OSS video drivers.. > > > > I don't think the video driver has anything at all to do with this. Oh, no, I was referring, rather, to their OSS support of their 950 video chipset; I would think their linux-friendliness would extend to their audio chipsets. > > Can you post the output of "dmesg" after trying JACK in realtime mode? > Nothing in there. The following is exactly the same as it was before trying to start jack. [17179691.824000] ACPI: Video Device [VID] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no) [17179691.824000] ACPI: Video Device [VID2] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no) [17179695.124000] ppdev: user-space parallel port driver [17179695.352000] apm: BIOS not found. [17179698.448000] Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.8 [17179698.448000] Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized [17179698.452000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized [17179698.452000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized [17179698.452000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.7 I tried compiling the RT kernel (just running the default Ubuntu PREEMPT right now), but ran into some problems, so I'll have to play with it some more. Thanks for helping out with this. -Ian > Lee > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jun 18 14:43:53 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jun 18 14:43:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: References: <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <1150571967.26252.88.camel@mindpipe> <1150649255.4428.68.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1150656234.4428.83.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-06-18 at 14:38 -0400, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: > > > > > > Strange, Intel is no nice with OSS video drivers.. > > > > > > > I don't think the video driver has anything at all to do with this. > > Oh, no, I was referring, rather, to their OSS support of their 950 > video chipset; I would think their linux-friendliness would extend to > their audio chipsets. > Intel is fine. They wrote and released a perfectly good HDA driver. It's just that the vendors have a LOT of latitude to make small variations on the chipset and they don't help with ALSA drivers. It seems to work for many users but there are a lot of laptops that just get no sound or bad sound. > > > > Can you post the output of "dmesg" after trying JACK in realtime mode? > > > > Nothing in there. The following is exactly the same as it was before > trying to start jack. > > [17179691.824000] ACPI: Video Device [VID] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no) > [17179691.824000] ACPI: Video Device [VID2] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no) > [17179695.124000] ppdev: user-space parallel port driver > [17179695.352000] apm: BIOS not found. > [17179698.448000] Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.8 > [17179698.448000] Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized > [17179698.452000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized > [17179698.452000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized > [17179698.452000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.7 > > I tried compiling the RT kernel (just running the default Ubuntu > PREEMPT right now), but ran into some problems, so I'll have to play > with it some more. Maybe you could recompile the standard Ubuntu kernel and enable ALSA debugging? Lee From hans at fugal.net Sun Jun 18 17:45:53 2006 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Sun Jun 18 17:46:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAM ?? In-Reply-To: <4493F133.5000500@woh.rr.com> References: <4493F133.5000500@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060618214553.GA3212@falcon.fugal.net> Sorry, a daemon had died. It's up again. On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 at 08:10 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Received from lam.fugal.net : > > Bad Gateway: The proxy server received an invalid response from an > upstream server. > > What's up ? > > dp > > > -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060618/87e85298/attachment.bin From carotinobg at yahoo.it Mon Jun 19 07:11:48 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Mon Jun 19 07:13:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Remixing In-Reply-To: <20060614111546.GA2284@spma33> References: <1150280539.7069.90.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060614111546.GA2284@spma33> Message-ID: <200606191311.48786.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Alle 13:15, mercoled? 14 giugno 2006, Ismael Valladolid Torres ha scritto: > Jonty Needham escribe: > > I understand (from Google) there is a method by which one samples the > > track minus the vocals and then adds the inversion of that to the track > > to kill the instruments. > > AFAIK you can do left channel minus right channel so you're killing > whatever it's in the middle of the stereo field, which usually are > vocals. This work for karaoke. But I don't know a way to kill > everything except the middle of the stereo field, and I don't think > it's posible. How do you do this with Audacity? That is, subtracting a channel from another? Byez! Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From ats at offog.org Mon Jun 19 08:04:33 2006 From: ats at offog.org (Adam Sampson) Date: Mon Jun 19 08:04:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Remixing In-Reply-To: <200606191311.48786.carotinobg@yahoo.it> (carotinobg@yahoo.it's message of "Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:11:48 +0200") References: <1150280539.7069.90.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <20060614111546.GA2284@spma33> <200606191311.48786.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: Carotinho writes: > How do you do this with Audacity? That is, subtracting a channel > from another? Split the stereo track into two mono channels ("Split Stereo Track" on the track's menu), pan them both to the centre, and invert one ("Effect > Invert"). -- Adam Sampson From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Jun 19 08:19:15 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Jun 19 08:10:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAM ?? In-Reply-To: <20060618214553.GA3212@falcon.fugal.net> References: <4493F133.5000500@woh.rr.com> <20060618214553.GA3212@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <44969643.7030109@woh.rr.com> Hans Fugal wrote: >Sorry, a daemon had died. It's up again. > >On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 at 08:10 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >>Received from lam.fugal.net : >> >>Bad Gateway: The proxy server received an invalid response from an >>upstream server. >> >>What's up ? >> >> All is well now. :) Thanks ! Best, dp From mte_multi at hotmail.com Mon Jun 19 11:28:34 2006 From: mte_multi at hotmail.com (yvan chenard) Date: Mon Jun 19 11:28:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] loopback with hda-intel Message-ID: Hi, maybe someone can help me, I find no ways to route (loop_back) the Line-in(where I have my tv-tuner pluged in) to the headphone jack, maybe someone know how to do it or know any links on documentation on how to do it. The sound card is onboard Intel D945GTP the chipset is STAC9220 (from sigmatel) (HDA_intel compatible) I am runing ALSA 1.0.11 not in the kernel(as module). kernel 2.6.16.5. The only way to get sound from LineIn to HeadPhone right now is "cat /dev/dsp > /dev/audio", but the quality is realy bad( with this command I know that the configuration of the input and output is OK). Thank You for your time. Yvan _________________________________________________________________ Mode, recettes et d?tente sur Sympatico / MSN Mieux vivre http://mieuxvivre.sympatico.msn.ca/Accueil/ From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jun 19 12:14:52 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jun 19 12:14:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] loopback with hda-intel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606190914q3c606817w2bda2cfcedfb501d@mail.gmail.com> On 6/19/06, yvan chenard wrote: > Hi, maybe someone can help me, > > I find no ways to route (loop_back) the Line-in(where I have my tv-tuner > pluged in) to > the headphone jack, maybe someone know how to do it or know any links on > documentation on how to do it. > > The sound card is onboard Intel D945GTP > the chipset is STAC9220 (from sigmatel) (HDA_intel compatible) > I am runing ALSA 1.0.11 not in the kernel(as module). > kernel 2.6.16.5. > > The only way to get sound from LineIn to HeadPhone right now is > "cat /dev/dsp > /dev/audio", but the quality is realy bad( with this > command I know that the configuration of the input and output is OK). > > Thank You for your time. > > Yvan Sort of overkill for the application but possibly run Jack and then use QJackCtl to do your required connections? Good luck, Mark From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Jun 19 12:34:30 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon Jun 19 12:35:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] loopback with hda-intel In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0606190914q3c606817w2bda2cfcedfb501d@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0606190914q3c606817w2bda2cfcedfb501d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4496D216.8030809@boosthardware.com> Mark Knecht wrote: > On 6/19/06, yvan chenard wrote: >> Hi, maybe someone can help me, >> >> I find no ways to route (loop_back) the Line-in(where I have my tv-tuner >> pluged in) to >> the headphone jack, maybe someone know how to do it or know any links on >> documentation on how to do it. >> >> The sound card is onboard Intel D945GTP >> the chipset is STAC9220 (from sigmatel) (HDA_intel compatible) >> I am runing ALSA 1.0.11 not in the kernel(as module). >> kernel 2.6.16.5. >> >> The only way to get sound from LineIn to HeadPhone right now is >> "cat /dev/dsp > /dev/audio", but the quality is realy bad( with this >> command I know that the configuration of the input and output is OK). >> >> Thank You for your time. >> >> Yvan > > Sort of overkill for the application but possibly run Jack and then > use QJackCtl to do your required connections? > > Good luck, > Mark > The problem shouldn't be happening. The driver for the intel8x0 should automagically route the signal from line to master out. If you run alsamixer there might be a capture switch toggle to set or it could be a driver bug. What programs/mixers other than "cat" have you tried? Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Jun 19 12:46:22 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon Jun 19 12:47:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4496D4DE.4050304@boosthardware.com> Hi, I haven't followed this thread until now. It reminds me of a problem I was seeing with my system. It turned out I had to enable DMA or a specific associated flag in the kernel... Are you 100% certain your kernel is setup for lowlat with *your* hardware? It took me ages to figure out why it was happening for me and your problem is very similar to what I was experiencing... Cheers. I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: > Well.. just in case someone sees something that I don't, I thought I'd > include a transcript of a failed session. But I don't see any errors > there, except that it crashes, of course. > # jackd -v -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -S > getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/libjack0.100.0-0/jack_alsa.so > getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/libjack0.100.0-0/jack_dummy.so > getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/libjack0.100.0-0/jack_oss.so > jackd 0.100.0 > Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > > JACK compiled with System V SHM support. > server `default' registered > loading driver .. > apparent rate = 48000 > creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|16bit > control device hw:0 > registered builtin port type 32 bit float mono audio > running with uid=0 and euid=0, will not try to use capabilites > new client: alsa_pcm, id = 1 type 1 @ 0x8058a78 fd = -1 > configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods > nperiods = 2 for capture > nperiods = 2 for playback > new buffer size 1024 > registered port alsa_pcm:capture_1, offset = 4096 > registered port alsa_pcm:capture_2, offset = 8192 > registered port alsa_pcm:playback_1, offset = 0 > registered port alsa_pcm:playback_2, offset = 0 > ++ jack_rechain_graph(): > client alsa_pcm: internal client, execution_order=0. > -- jack_rechain_graph() > 6316 waiting for signals > jackd watchdog: timeout - killing jackd > Aborted > # > > Thanks for any tips you might have. I'm quite stumped. Either no one > has tried to use jack with an ICH7 family chipset (highly > unlikely--it's quite common), or no one's run into this problem, since > I can't find a single post about problems with ICH7 and Jack through > Google. > > Thanks again, > ian > > On 6/14/06, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: >> Okay, looked at it some more. When RT is enabled, jack just locks up >> and the watchdog terminates the process, regardless of the buffer >> size. When RT is disabled the xruns are allowed to continue, and the >> number of xruns decreases with a higher buffer size (but never go >> below about 10/second). There's no evidence that RT mode has failed to >> be set. This is all as root. >> >> I am using the proprietary NVIDIA drivers, as gotten from the Ubuntu >> repositories. I would be surprised if this had anything to do with it >> though, since direct alsa works fine with the same xOrg drivers. >> Unless, of course, there's some software conflict between the video >> drivers and jack itself (as opposed to there being a hardware-level >> conflict). >> >> hmm.... >> >> thanks for the advice. >> >> -Ian >> >> On 6/13/06, Lee Revell wrote: >> > On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 16:17 -0400, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: >> > > I've futzed around a bit more. I'd done this before, but I'd >> forgotten >> > > the exact results except that it didn't work. Tried all this both >> with >> > > and without RT and 16bit mode forced: >> > > >> > > upping frames/period to 4096 reduces the number of xruns to >> several/second. >> > > upping periods/buffer to 3 still gives xruns, as well as "usecs >> > > exceeds estimated spare time" messages. >> > > upping periods/buffer to 4 makes initialization fail with "ALSA: got >> > > smaller periods 2 than 4 for playback" >> > > putting it into non-duplex (ie. playback only) has no effect on >> behavior. >> > > >> > > So, yeah, that's why it's mysterious. In the past I sacrifice latency >> > > for no xruns, and everything's dandy. Not so, this time... >> > > >> > > Thanks for the suggestions. >> > >> > Are you saying that RT mode has no effect on the xruns? I find this >> > hard to believe. >> > >> > Check the messages from JACK - maybe it's failing to set RT mode >> (thisis >> > a bug that's fixed in the development tree). >> > >> > Try these tests in RT mode as root to be sure. >> > >> > Are you using the proprietary ATI or Nvidia drivers? >> > >> > Lee >> > >> > >> > -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jun 19 12:53:45 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jun 19 12:53:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] loopback with hda-intel In-Reply-To: <4496D216.8030809@boosthardware.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0606190914q3c606817w2bda2cfcedfb501d@mail.gmail.com> <4496D216.8030809@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <1150736026.4428.189.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 23:34 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > The driver for the intel8x0 should > automagically route the signal from line to master out. The bug report is about HDA intel not intel8x0. It would be helpful to see amixer output. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jun 19 12:54:56 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jun 19 12:55:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <4496D4DE.4050304@boosthardware.com> References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <4496D4DE.4050304@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <1150736097.4428.191.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 23:46 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > It turned out I had to enable DMA or a > specific associated flag in the kernel... Are you 100% certain your > kernel is setup for lowlat with *your* hardware? Sorry, this makes no sense at all. DMA for soundcards cannot be enabled or disabled. And no special setup should be required to get this to work. How *exactly* did you fix your problem? Lee From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Jun 19 13:10:08 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon Jun 19 13:11:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <1150736097.4428.191.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <4496D4DE.4050304@boosthardware.com> <1150736097.4428.191.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4496DA70.9060108@boosthardware.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 23:46 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> It turned out I had to enable DMA or a >> specific associated flag in the kernel... Are you 100% certain your >> kernel is setup for lowlat with *your* hardware? > > Sorry, this makes no sense at all. DMA for soundcards cannot be enabled > or disabled. And no special setup should be required to get this to > work. > > How *exactly* did you fix your problem? > DMA doesn't affect soundcards directly but it does cause latency issues. The exact details of how I fixed it have been forgotten but the process required me to go through my kernel with a finetooth comb. That's what I'm suggesting for Ian. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jun 19 13:33:54 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jun 19 13:33:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <4496DA70.9060108@boosthardware.com> References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <4496D4DE.4050304@boosthardware.com> <1150736097.4428.191.camel@mindpipe> <4496DA70.9060108@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <1150738435.4428.199.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 00:10 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 23:46 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >> It turned out I had to enable DMA or a > >> specific associated flag in the kernel... Are you 100% certain your > >> kernel is setup for lowlat with *your* hardware? > > > > Sorry, this makes no sense at all. DMA for soundcards cannot be enabled > > or disabled. And no special setup should be required to get this to > > work. > > > > How *exactly* did you fix your problem? > > > > DMA doesn't affect soundcards directly but it does cause latency issues. > > The exact details of how I fixed it have been forgotten but the process > required me to go through my kernel with a finetooth comb. That's what > I'm suggesting for Ian. Sorry, your advice is so vague as to be useless. How exactly does one "set up a kernel for lowlat with $FOO hardware"? Lee From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Jun 19 13:54:40 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon Jun 19 13:56:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <1150738435.4428.199.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <4496D4DE.4050304@boosthardware.com> <1150736097.4428.191.camel@mindpipe> <4496DA70.9060108@boosthardware.com> <1150738435.4428.199.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4496E4E0.5080207@boosthardware.com> Lee Revell wrote: > > How exactly does one "set up a kernel for lowlat with $FOO hardware"? > In a previous message Ian stated that the hardware works well with native alsa and that the problem only occurs with jack. If you are 100% certain that it is a hardware problem then you are discounting a plethora of variables that might be affecting the situation. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jun 19 13:59:35 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jun 19 13:59:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <4496E4E0.5080207@boosthardware.com> References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <4496D4DE.4050304@boosthardware.com> <1150736097.4428.191.camel@mindpipe> <4496DA70.9060108@boosthardware.com> <1150738435.4428.199.camel@mindpipe> <4496E4E0.5080207@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <1150739975.2754.0.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 00:54 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > > > How exactly does one "set up a kernel for lowlat with $FOO hardware"? > > > > In a previous message Ian stated that the hardware works well with > native alsa and that the problem only occurs with jack. > > If you are 100% certain that it is a hardware problem then you are > discounting a plethora of variables that might be affecting the situation. > I am not certain it is a hardware problem. But vague advice like "check your kernel config" does more harm than good. Lee From russ at virante.com Mon Jun 19 14:46:31 2006 From: russ at virante.com (Russ Jones) Date: Mon Jun 19 14:46:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IMA ADPCM > RAW (command line)... Message-ID: <4496F107.50708@virante.com> Anyone have any idea how to convert IMA ADPCM Wav to Raw from the command line? SoX does not handle this conversion. Fooling around with libsndfile but it seems way out of my league for complexity. Any help would be hugely appreciated. Russ Jones From domain.admin at online.ie Mon Jun 19 14:51:36 2006 From: domain.admin at online.ie (Hiram Abiff) Date: Mon Jun 19 14:51:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RT and Jack problems Message-ID: <20060619205136.f5vwque6g4wc48gc@mail.online.ie> Konichiwa!! This has been bothering me for some time. I cannot, for the life of me, run the muse sequencer with full real time (RT) capabilities. I use Slackware 10.2 and a 2.6.15.6 kernel that has RT capabilities compiled in. I start qjackctl which, in turn, starts the jack daemon (jackd) with RT enabled, which is indicated in qjackctl GUI (letters RT showing!!). But, then when I fire up muse I get this: Trying RTC timer... got timer = 14 showMarker 0 tickValues(0x41d3a21) not found(1) tickValues(0x41d3a21) not found(1) 3set realtime scheduler: Operation not permitted watchdog process 22391 _NOT_ running SCHED_FIFO JACK ERROR: cannot lock down memory for RT thread (Cannot allocate memory) JACK ERROR: cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 9) [for thread -1284142160, from thread -1284142160] (1: Operation not permitted) error set_schedparam 2:: Operation not permitted set realtime scheduler: Operation not permitted midi thread 22391 _NOT_ running SCHED_FIFO JACK thread not running SCHED_FIFO, try to set... set realtime scheduler: Operation not permitted JACK still not running FIFO !?! ======reliable RT operation not possible!!====== I tried setting the permissions on the /dev/rtc device so that regular users can have access, it didn't help. What could be the issue here, I probably misconfigured or am missing something. Please help. Hiram -- http://www.egoboobits.net/HiramAbiff From cesare at poeticstudios.com Mon Jun 19 16:56:07 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Mon Jun 19 14:55:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IMA ADPCM > RAW (command line)... In-Reply-To: <4496F107.50708@virante.com> References: <4496F107.50708@virante.com> Message-ID: <44970F67.7030404@poeticstudios.com> Sox should handle it. Try to force the format: sox -i yourfilename yourfilename.wav Cheers, c. Russ Jones wrote: > Anyone have any idea how to convert IMA ADPCM Wav to Raw from the > command line? SoX does not handle this conversion. Fooling around with > libsndfile but it seems way out of my league for complexity. > > Any help would be hugely appreciated. > > Russ Jones > > -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Jun 19 14:55:50 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon Jun 19 14:57:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <1150739975.2754.0.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <4496D4DE.4050304@boosthardware.com> <1150736097.4428.191.camel@mindpipe> <4496DA70.9060108@boosthardware.com> <1150738435.4428.199.camel@mindpipe> <4496E4E0.5080207@boosthardware.com> <1150739975.2754.0.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4496F336.8070601@boosthardware.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 00:54 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> Lee Revell wrote: >>> How exactly does one "set up a kernel for lowlat with $FOO hardware"? >>> >> In a previous message Ian stated that the hardware works well with >> native alsa and that the problem only occurs with jack. >> >> If you are 100% certain that it is a hardware problem then you are >> discounting a plethora of variables that might be affecting the situation. >> > > I am not certain it is a hardware problem. But vague advice like "check > your kernel config" does more harm than good. > Well you know I don't suggest that to everyone on this forum. In this case though I had a very similar problem that was fixed by delving into the kernel config. YMMV. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jun 19 15:00:03 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jun 19 15:00:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RT and Jack problems In-Reply-To: <20060619205136.f5vwque6g4wc48gc@mail.online.ie> References: <20060619205136.f5vwque6g4wc48gc@mail.online.ie> Message-ID: <1150743604.2754.8.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 20:51 +0200, Hiram Abiff wrote: > This has been bothering me for some time. I cannot, for the life of > me, run the muse sequencer with full real time (RT) capabilities. > I use Slackware 10.2 and a 2.6.15.6 kernel that has RT capabilities > compiled in. > I don't know what you mean by "RT capabilities". Are you using the realtime LSM module? What options are you loading it with? Is your user in the audio group? Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jun 19 15:13:04 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jun 19 15:13:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <4496F336.8070601@boosthardware.com> References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <4496D4DE.4050304@boosthardware.com> <1150736097.4428.191.camel@mindpipe> <4496DA70.9060108@boosthardware.com> <1150738435.4428.199.camel@mindpipe> <4496E4E0.5080207@boosthardware.com> <1150739975.2754.0.camel@mindpipe> <4496F336.8070601@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <1150744384.2754.13.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 01:55 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Well you know I don't suggest that to everyone on this forum. In this > case though I had a very similar problem that was fixed by delving > into the kernel config. Unless you can explain exactly what you changed, you are just confusing people. It's a bad idea to just go changing random kernel config options. Lee From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Jun 19 15:27:15 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon Jun 19 15:28:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <1150744384.2754.13.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <4496D4DE.4050304@boosthardware.com> <1150736097.4428.191.camel@mindpipe> <4496DA70.9060108@boosthardware.com> <1150738435.4428.199.camel@mindpipe> <4496E4E0.5080207@boosthardware.com> <1150739975.2754.0.camel@mindpipe> <4496F336.8070601@boosthardware.com> <1150744384.2754.13.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4496FA93.3070305@boosthardware.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 01:55 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> Well you know I don't suggest that to everyone on this forum. In this >> case though I had a very similar problem that was fixed by delving >> into the kernel config. > > Unless you can explain exactly what you changed, you are just confusing > people. It's a bad idea to just go changing random kernel config > options. > I merely suggested he look at his config and possibly the DMA settings. I didn't say he should do a Russian roulette. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jun 19 15:59:23 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jun 19 15:59:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RT and Jack problems In-Reply-To: <20060619205136.f5vwque6g4wc48gc@mail.online.ie> References: <20060619205136.f5vwque6g4wc48gc@mail.online.ie> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606191259t6fdf09f7m9f53444e8c007dd1@mail.gmail.com> On 6/19/06, Hiram Abiff wrote: > Konichiwa!! > > This has been bothering me for some time. I cannot, for the life of me, > run the muse sequencer with full real time (RT) capabilities. > I use Slackware 10.2 and a 2.6.15.6 kernel that has RT capabilities > compiled in. > > I start qjackctl which, in turn, starts the jack daemon (jackd) with > RT enabled, which is indicated in qjackctl GUI (letters RT showing!!). > But, then when I fire up muse I get this: > > Trying RTC timer... > got timer = 14 > showMarker 0 > tickValues(0x41d3a21) not found(1) > tickValues(0x41d3a21) not found(1) > 3set realtime scheduler: Operation not permitted > watchdog process 22391 _NOT_ running SCHED_FIFO > JACK ERROR: cannot lock down memory for RT thread (Cannot allocate memory) > JACK ERROR: cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 9) [for > thread -1284142160, from thread -1284142160] (1: Operation not > permitted) > error set_schedparam 2:: Operation not permitted > set realtime scheduler: Operation not permitted > midi thread 22391 _NOT_ running SCHED_FIFO > JACK thread not running SCHED_FIFO, try to set... > set realtime scheduler: Operation not permitted > JACK still not running FIFO !?! > ======reliable RT operation not possible!!====== > > > I tried setting the permissions on the /dev/rtc device so that > regular users can have access, it didn't help. What could be the > issue here, I probably misconfigured or am missing something. > Please help. > > Hiram Hiram, There are a few things to discover: 1) Are you running Jack as root or a user? - First, try running Jack as root and see if these problems go away. 2) Assuming you run as root without problems then the issue here is probably one of permissions. However it is not /dev/rtc that needs to be changed. Infact, nothing in /dev should be changed for this to work. You either need to install the realtime-lsm package, create a realtime group, add yourself to that group, and then load the realtime module telling it to grant realtime permissions to that group. For this to work you need a kernel with Linux Capabilities enabled in the security section of the .config file. Alternatively there is a PAM based solution to this that is newer but I haven't used it. Hope this helps, Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jun 19 16:10:44 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jun 19 16:11:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <4496FA93.3070305@boosthardware.com> References: <20060613215711.18a6305a@mango.fruits> <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <4496D4DE.4050304@boosthardware.com> <1150736097.4428.191.camel@mindpipe> <4496DA70.9060108@boosthardware.com> <1150738435.4428.199.camel@mindpipe> <4496E4E0.5080207@boosthardware.com> <1150739975.2754.0.camel@mindpipe> <4496F336.8070601@boosthardware.com> <1150744384.2754.13.camel@mindpipe> <4496FA93.3070305@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <1150747844.2754.28.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 02:27 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 01:55 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >> Well you know I don't suggest that to everyone on this forum. In this > >> case though I had a very similar problem that was fixed by delving > >> into the kernel config. > > > > Unless you can explain exactly what you changed, you are just confusing > > people. It's a bad idea to just go changing random kernel config > > options. > > > > I merely suggested he look at his config and possibly the DMA settings. > I didn't say he should do a Russian roulette. > These are the only DMA related settings in my kernel config. I doubt that any of them could be related to the inability to run JACK in RT mode. $ zgrep DMA /proc/config.gz CONFIG_GENERIC_ISA_DMA=y CONFIG_ISA_DMA_API=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_FORCED is not set CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y # CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y # CONFIG_IDEDMA_IVB is not set CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y Lee From mr at ramendik.ru Mon Jun 19 20:28:40 2006 From: mr at ramendik.ru (Mikhail Ramendik) Date: Mon Jun 19 16:28:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Use two ALSA PCMs for the same sound Message-ID: <200606200028.40722.mr@ramendik.ru> Hello, I would like to create a virtual device (pcm) that outputs sound to two pcms (hw:0,0 and hw:0,4) How do I write the ,asoundrc file? Should be a common examople but I could not find one... -- Yours, Mikhail Ramendik From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Mon Jun 19 17:17:26 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Mon Jun 19 17:17:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IMA ADPCM > RAW (command line)... In-Reply-To: <44970F67.7030404@poeticstudios.com> References: <4496F107.50708@virante.com> <44970F67.7030404@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <20060620071726.32a8ea21.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Sox should handle it. > > Try to force the format: > > sox -i yourfilename yourfilename.wav I strongly recomment converting the file to standard 16 bit WAV rather than RAW headerless files. The sndfile-convert program which comes with libsndfile should do the later quite happily: sndfile-convert -pcm16 ima_adpcm.wav 16bit_pcm.wav Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Moore's Law: hardware speed doubles every 18 months Gates' Law: software speed halves every 18 months From smcameron at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 01:51:02 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Tue Jun 20 01:51:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 Message-ID: <20060620055102.26821.qmail@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So, another dumb question from a hardheaded linux audio user (is there any other kind? ;-) I've got an RME hammerfall lite (9636/52) I've got a Yamaha AW4416 with an MY8AT module (8 channels ADAT i/o). I've got fibre cables connecting them together. The Yamaha seems happy, reporting 8 channels locked at 48kHz. What I don't have is any idea how to get anything good to happen on the linux side. I've been googling my brains out for the last two or three months, and the very best information I have been able to find anywhere is this 3 year old thread: http://www.music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/2003-March/003328.html Which in turn recommands alsa-lib/doc/asoundrc.txt which, looking at that, doesn't really help much at all, I'm afraid, you pretty much have to know how it works already in order to make head or tail of it. Is there any better information out there? I just want to be able to transfer tracks from the PC to the AW4416, and back, preferably as many as 8 at a time, or as few as 1 at a time, but, judging from my googling, it seems next to nobody is doing anything like this. I would estimate less than ten people on the entire planet (and that is my inflated guess) have an RME hammerfall AND are using the ADAT interfaces. Is that about right? Am I that far out in the weeds? I would really like to get this working... otherwise, I've just blown $700 (RME + yamaha ADAT interface + cables) for nothing , and I'm back to burning CDs to transfer tracks between AW and PC. Any hints appreciated... thanks. -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Jun 20 07:39:53 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Jun 20 07:39:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <20060620055102.26821.qmail@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060620055102.26821.qmail@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1150803593.8703.129.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 22:51 -0700, Stephen Cameron wrote: > So, another dumb question from a hardheaded linux audio user > (is there any other kind? ;-) > > I've got an RME hammerfall lite (9636/52) > I've got a Yamaha AW4416 with an MY8AT module (8 channels ADAT i/o). > I've got fibre cables connecting them together. > > The Yamaha seems happy, reporting 8 channels locked at 48kHz. > > What I don't have is any idea how to get anything good to > happen on the linux side. I've been googling my brains out > for the last two or three months, and the very best information > I have been able to find anywhere is this 3 year old thread: > > http://www.music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/2003-March/003328.html > > Which in turn recommands alsa-lib/doc/asoundrc.txt > > which, looking at that, doesn't really help much at all, I'm afraid, > you pretty much have to know how it works already in > order to make head or tail of it. a) make sure you are on a distro that makes hdspconf and hdspmixer available. several braindead distributions have removed the alsa package that includes these tools from their repositories. b) run hdspmixer to initialize the HDSP mixer to a sane default c) use hdspconf to set the clock master/slave relationship between the the AW4416 and the HDSP. i would recommend *not* use ADAT autosync for anything critical - i do not find it 100% reliable. you're better off getting a word clock cable. personally, i would make the HDSP the master and the AW4416 the slave, but you may prefer it the other way around. d) run JACK-enabled software. e) profit! --p From rtp405 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 08:05:40 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Tue Jun 20 08:05:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <20060620055102.26821.qmail@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060620120540.57455.qmail@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Stephen, > So, another dumb question from a hardheaded linux > audio user > (is there any other kind? ;-) There's the highly sexy, me. I estimate one good looker in the group and couldn't careless if there are others. > I've got an RME hammerfall lite (9636/52) > I've got a Yamaha AW4416 with an MY8AT module (8 > channels ADAT i/o). > I've got fibre cables connecting them together. Do you mean ADAT cables? > The Yamaha seems happy, reporting 8 channels locked > at 48kHz. > > What I don't have is any idea how to get anything > good to > happen on the linux side. I've been googling my > brains out > for the last two or three months, and the very best > information > I have been able to find anywhere is this 3 year old > thread: > > http://www.music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/2003-March/003328.html > > Which in turn recommands alsa-lib/doc/asoundrc.txt > > which, looking at that, doesn't really help much at > all, I'm afraid, > you pretty much have to know how it works already in > order to make head or tail of it. > > Is there any better information out there? I just > want > to be able to transfer tracks from the PC to the > AW4416, and > back, preferably as many as 8 at a time, or as few > as 1 at > a time, but, judging from my googling, it seems next > to nobody > is doing anything like this. If your talking about transfering a file rather than doing a realtime record pass then you are correct; assuming your using ADAT cables. I'm not aware of an alternative cable for the 4416 and the RME cards are ADAT. You can't use those interfaces for file transfer. I would estimate less > than ten > people on the entire planet (and that is my inflated > guess) > have an RME hammerfall AND are using the ADAT > interfaces. > Is that about right? Am I that far out in the > weeds? The AW4416 has a SCSI interface, it runs Linux (irrelevant for this issue but see Tux during the boot) so you could figure out the AW filesystem format, build and mount a drive for both systems and use that to transfer files. I suppose. Try fat32 or whatever is used in Windows. There's a Windows application for extracting files from AW archives. I'd try running it in Wine. Otherwise, I imagine Ardour to be the most intuitive solution for realtime recording. The AW will slave to Ardour MTC which works well as master for multiple passes of eight track groups. My last tests of Ardour as the slave weren't successful...it's been awhile. > I would really like to get this working... > otherwise, I've > just blown $700 (RME + yamaha ADAT interface + > cables) > for nothing , and I'm back to burning CDs to > transfer > tracks between AW and PC. Are you using an HDR because of mobility? Ron > Any hints appreciated... thanks. > > -- steve > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 08:53:52 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Jun 20 08:53:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <1150803593.8703.129.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060620055102.26821.qmail@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150803593.8703.129.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606200553n4884f635t468255d700675b90@mail.gmail.com> On 6/20/06, Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 22:51 -0700, Stephen Cameron wrote: > > I've got an RME hammerfall lite (9636/52) > a) make sure you are on a distro that makes hdspconf and hdspmixer > available. several braindead distributions have removed the alsa package > that includes these tools from their repositories. > > b) run hdspmixer to initialize the HDSP mixer to a sane default > Paul, Hammerfall, not HDSP. Does any of this work in his case? It didn't when I was running my Hammerfall under Linux. Steve, I have both an HDSP9652 and a Hammerfall Lite. My Hammerfall is now in a Windows box so I cannot step you though an exact solution but I have used it under Linux and it works well. I'm pretty sure some group of us can answer your questions and get you there pretty quickly. The Hammerfall will work correctly with Alsa drivers and the Jack server. I think your most simple answer is as Paul outlined, although I think that you cannot use hdspconf to set the clock rate of the Hammerfall unless hdspconf has been updated in some way I'm not aware of. To set the card's clock rate will likely require use of some amixer commands. man amixer and then play around with reading out the controls in the driver. The correct solution here is to configure either your Hammerfall or the AW4416 as a clock slave. I don't have any problems using the ADAT lines to sync clocks so you could try that to begin with. It will certainly work well enough to test the connection. You can go to a spdif or Word Clock sync later if you need it. I'm not sure if you can do Word Clock sync on a DIGI9636 anyway. That connection may be on the DIGI9652 expander card. I cannot remember. Anyway, it will work. Possibly you can post back your currect settings from /proc/asound/cards and the output of amixer's listing of controls and er can get you lined up pretty quickly. Cheers, Mark From smcameron at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 09:45:40 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Tue Jun 20 09:45:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0606200553n4884f635t468255d700675b90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060620134540.50943.qmail@web33012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Mark Knecht wrote: > On 6/20/06, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 22:51 -0700, Stephen Cameron wrote: > > > > I've got an RME hammerfall lite (9636/52) > > > a) make sure you are on a distro that makes hdspconf and hdspmixer > > available. several braindead distributions have removed the alsa package > > that includes these tools from their repositories. > > > > b) run hdspmixer to initialize the HDSP mixer to a sane default > > > > Paul, > Hammerfall, not HDSP. Does any of this work in his case? It didn't > when I was running my Hammerfall under Linux. Ah, thank you, that was going to be my next question. (and this morning, I tried to build hdspmixer from alsa-tools-1.0.11 and it wanted fltk lib... tried the latest fltk lib v. 1.1xxx and v. 2.xxx something, and though configure stopped complaining, hdspmixer would compile with neither version of the fltk libs. Maybe it needs some specific earlier version? (or newer CVS version?) It complained about no such member something->fl_widget. (I can reproduce the exact message when I get home tonight if anybody here wants me to.) But it sounds like I might not be able to use hdspmixer anyhow, even if I could build it. > > Steve, > I have both an HDSP9652 and a Hammerfall Lite. My Hammerfall is now > in a Windows box so I cannot step you though an exact solution but I > have used it under Linux and it works well. I'm pretty sure some group > of us can answer your questions and get you there pretty quickly. > > The Hammerfall will work correctly with Alsa drivers and the Jack > server. I think your most simple answer is as Paul outlined, although > I think that you cannot use hdspconf to set the clock rate of the > Hammerfall unless hdspconf has been updated in some way I'm not aware > of. > > To set the card's clock rate will likely require use of some amixer > commands. man amixer and then play around with reading out the > controls in the driver. The correct solution here is to configure > either your Hammerfall or the AW4416 as a clock slave. I don't have > any problems using the ADAT lines to sync clocks so you could try that > to begin with. It will certainly work well enough to test the > connection. You can go to a spdif or Word Clock sync later if you need > it. I'm not sure if you can do Word Clock sync on a DIGI9636 anyway. > That connection may be on the DIGI9652 expander card. I cannot > remember. Ok, this gives me some hints to play around with, and encouragement. Thanks a bunch! I imagine when I run, say qjackconnect, I should expect to see a bunch of inputs and outputs to the hammerfall? But maybe my config files (asound... ) have to be correct first? > Anyway, it will work. Possibly you can post back your currect > settings from /proc/asound/cards and the output of amixer's listing of > controls and er can get you lined up pretty quickly. Ok, I will do that tonight. Thanks again, -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From smcameron at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 12:14:59 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Tue Jun 20 12:15:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <20060620120540.57455.qmail@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060620161459.7448.qmail@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- R Parker wrote: > Hi Stephen, > [...] > > I've got fibre cables connecting them together. > > Do you mean ADAT cables? Yes. > If your talking about transfering a file rather than > doing a realtime record pass then you are correct; > assuming your using ADAT cables. I'm not aware of an > alternative cable for the 4416 and the RME cards are > ADAT. You can't use those interfaces for file > transfer. No, I'm not talking about transferring files, I mean realtime recording. (I *wish* there were a nice way to transfer tracks as wav files to/from the AW4416, but there just isn't. I think the newer (but smaller) AW2816 or 16G might have a usb port that allows something nice, but I'm not really sure. > > I would estimate less > > than ten > > people on the entire planet (and that is my inflated > > guess) > > have an RME hammerfall AND are using the ADAT > > interfaces. > > Is that about right? Am I that far out in the > > weeds? > > The AW4416 has a SCSI interface, it runs Linux > (irrelevant for this issue but see Tux during the > boot) so you could figure out the AW filesystem > format, build and mount a drive for both systems and > use that to transfer files. I suppose. Try fat32 or > whatever is used in Windows. There's a Windows > application for extracting files from AW archives. I'd > try running it in Wine. The SCSI interface is only used for backups. However, the hard drives in the AW are easily pluggable... might be possible to rig a usb/ide interface for easy access to the hard drive from a linux host... BUT... I think this has already been tried by smarter people than me. It's a proprietary filesystem called SFS, iirc. http://ampfea.org/pipermail/a-list/2001-May/004596.html Someone has had some success making a program to read the backup CDs, but it's not open source, and windows-only (AWextract) and has other limitations (doesn't really understand the complete backup format.) > Otherwise, I imagine Ardour to be the most intuitive > solution for realtime recording. The AW will slave to > Ardour MTC which works well as master for multiple > passes of eight track groups. My last tests of Ardour > as the slave weren't successful...it's been awhile. This is my plan, eventually. > > > I would really like to get this working... > > otherwise, I've > > just blown $700 (RME + yamaha ADAT interface + > > cables) > > for nothing , and I'm back to burning CDs to > > transfer > > tracks between AW and PC. > > Are you using an HDR because of mobility? That (computer is not in the music room) and because I've had it for ages, and it's basically got the majority of an O2R digital mixer in it, which is not a bad little piece of gear. Even if I didn't use the HD in the AW, the mixer section and preamps/compressors/eq's and so on that are in it would still be useful. It's really a very nice, convenient machine for tracking. Not so good for editing, and there's no nice way to get things into or out of it. Mostly what little music I do is internet collaborations, so I end up with a process like this: download/decode tracks (mp3 ->wav), burn cds, import tracks to AW, record my parts, burn cds, import tracks to pc, encode/upload. Rather tedious. Would be nice to transform that process to: download/decode tracks, transfer to AW over ADAT cables, record my parts, transfer to PC over ADAT cables, encode/upload tracks. That's where I'm trying to get to. -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From link at sumerianbabyl.com Tue Jun 20 12:36:22 2006 From: link at sumerianbabyl.com (Link Swanson) Date: Tue Jun 20 12:37:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 Message-ID: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> After removing my Multiface II and switching back to my nVidia onboard audio, qjackctl will not run at 44100. I can set it in the setup window and it reports starting 44100 in the messages: 11:07:46.232 Patchbay deactivated. 11:07:46.322 Statistics reset. 11:07:46.498 MIDI connection graph change. 11:07:46.528 MIDI connection change. 11:07:47.580 Startup script... 11:07:47.580 artsshell -q terminate 11:07:47.861 Startup script terminated with exit status=256. 11:07:47.861 JACK is starting... 11:07:47.862 jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:1,0 -r44100 -p512 -n2 -S 11:07:47.870 JACK was started with PID=3071 (0xbff). jackd 0.101.0 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. Enhanced3DNow! detected SSE2 detected apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... hw:1,0|hw:1,0|512|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|16bit control device hw:1 configuring for 44100Hz, period = 512 frames, buffer = 2 periods nperiods = 2 for capture nperiods = 2 for playback 11:07:49.953 Server configuration saved to "/home/bozone/.jackdrc". 11:07:49.954 Statistics reset. 11:07:49.979 Client activated. 11:07:49.980 Audio connection change. 11:07:49.981 Audio connection graph change. Enhanced3DNow! detected SSE2 detected 11:10:21.095 MIDI connection graph change. 11:10:21.123 Audio connection graph change. 11:10:26.482 Audio connection graph change. 11:10:26.504 MIDI connection graph change. But then both qjackctl and Ardour report 48000 as the samplerate. All help is appreciated. Link -- e-mail is . . . From rtp405 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 12:38:35 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Tue Jun 20 12:38:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <20060620161459.7448.qmail@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060620163835.54344.qmail@web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Stephen Cameron wrote: > --- R Parker wrote: > > > It's really a very nice, convenient machine for > tracking. Until you want to record and monitor 8+ tracks. And then it's infuriating. Not so good for editing, and there's no > nice > way to get things into or out of it. Mostly > what little music I do is internet collaborations, > so I end up with a process like this: > > download/decode tracks (mp3 ->wav), burn cds, > import tracks to AW, record my parts, burn cds, > import tracks to pc, encode/upload. Rather tedious. I think you can redesign for a much better studio. Is your PC hardware capable of running jackd without xruns? > Would be nice to transform that process to: > > download/decode tracks, transfer to AW over ADAT > cables, record my parts, transfer to PC over ADAT > cables, encode/upload tracks. Don't use the HDR but use the mixer and monitoring interfaces with i/o routed to the RME card all the time. Record to the AW HDR at a remote locations; practice space, bar, etc. I'm looking at your setup while occupied with something else. Am I overlooking your reasons for recording to the AW? Ron > That's where I'm trying to get to. > > -- steve > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 13:01:10 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Jun 20 13:01:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <20060620134540.50943.qmail@web33012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0606200553n4884f635t468255d700675b90@mail.gmail.com> <20060620134540.50943.qmail@web33012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606201001i46b7e446xc8fda291a7e9414@mail.gmail.com> On 6/20/06, Stephen Cameron wrote: > --- Mark Knecht wrote: > > Hammerfall, not HDSP. Does any of this work in his case? It didn't > > when I was running my Hammerfall under Linux. > > Ah, thank you, that was going to be my next question. > > (and this morning, I tried to build hdspmixer from alsa-tools-1.0.11 > and it wanted fltk lib... tried the > latest fltk lib v. 1.1xxx and v. 2.xxx something, and though > configure stopped complaining, hdspmixer > would compile with neither version of the fltk libs. Maybe it > needs some specific earlier version? (or newer CVS version?) > It complained about no such member something->fl_widget. (I > can reproduce the exact message when I get home tonight > if anybody here wants me to.) Should not be required or useful (as far as I know) for the DIGI9636. hdspconf and hdspmixer only work with the HDSP cards, not the older Hammerfall cards. This is a common mistake. I make it about 40% of the time people write here... > > But it sounds like I might not be able to use hdspmixer > anyhow, even if I could build it. Nope... > > > > > Steve, > > I have both an HDSP9652 and a Hammerfall Lite. My Hammerfall is now > > in a Windows box so I cannot step you though an exact solution but I > > have used it under Linux and it works well. I'm pretty sure some group > > of us can answer your questions and get you there pretty quickly. > > > > The Hammerfall will work correctly with Alsa drivers and the Jack > > server. I think your most simple answer is as Paul outlined, although > > I think that you cannot use hdspconf to set the clock rate of the > > Hammerfall unless hdspconf has been updated in some way I'm not aware > > of. > > > > To set the card's clock rate will likely require use of some amixer > > commands. man amixer and then play around with reading out the > > controls in the driver. The correct solution here is to configure > > either your Hammerfall or the AW4416 as a clock slave. I don't have > > any problems using the ADAT lines to sync clocks so you could try that > > to begin with. It will certainly work well enough to test the > > connection. You can go to a spdif or Word Clock sync later if you need > > it. I'm not sure if you can do Word Clock sync on a DIGI9636 anyway. > > That connection may be on the DIGI9652 expander card. I cannot > > remember. > > Ok, this gives me some hints to play around with, and encouragement. > Thanks a bunch! I imagine when I run, say qjackconnect, > I should expect to see a bunch of inputs and outputs to > the hammerfall? But maybe my config files (asound... ) have > to be correct first? You should not need any config files. I don't use them. There is one file which is created by the system called /etc/asound.state which sometimes is outdated by Alsa updates. If that happens you'll get messages when Alsa starts (probably boot time for you - what distro?) and the messages will say things like a 'control' has incorrect values, etc. If that happens just erase asound.state and let the system create a new one. > > > Anyway, it will work. Possibly you can post back your currect > > settings from /proc/asound/cards and the output of amixer's listing of > > controls and er can get you lined up pretty quickly. > > Ok, I will do that tonight. Will look in and see if I can help. Cheers, Mark From smcameron at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 13:21:33 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Tue Jun 20 13:21:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <20060620163835.54344.qmail@web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060620172133.12888.qmail@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- R Parker wrote: > --- Stephen Cameron wrote: > > It's really a very nice, convenient machine for > > tracking. > > Until you want to record and monitor 8+ tracks. And > then it's infuriating. I suppose so. That's not been an issue for me as of yet. The AW is probably overkill for what I do (record myself along with a few other tracks.) > > Not so good for editing, and there's no > > nice > > way to get things into or out of it. Mostly > > what little music I do is internet collaborations, > > so I end up with a process like this: > > > > download/decode tracks (mp3 ->wav), burn cds, > > import tracks to AW, record my parts, burn cds, > > import tracks to pc, encode/upload. Rather tedious. > > I think you can redesign for a much better studio. Is > your PC hardware capable of running jackd without > xruns? I think so, eventually. That is my hope. I forget the processor speed, but it's not ancient, nor the fastest thing, an Athlon 1700+, I think. 1Gb RAM. Hard disk seems kind of slow, but that's just gut feeling I haven't tried measuring, and maybe I'm comparing against what I'm used to at work (loads of hardware RAID systems.) I still have work to do to get a suitable kernel running. [...] > Don't use the HDR but use the mixer and monitoring > interfaces with i/o routed to the RME card all the > time. Record to the AW HDR at a remote locations; > practice space, bar, etc. > > I'm looking at your setup while occupied with > something else. Am I overlooking your reasons for > recording to the AW? Probably 2 reasons. 1) it's proven to work for me (albeit inconvenently) The linux approach is as yet not working (for me, obviously it's working for others.) So I'm taking smaller steps first, rather than trying to jump to the imagined optimal solution immediately. 2) This is the main reason. The PC isn't in the room with all the music making gear, and there's not enough room to move either into the other's room. Hence my (yet unproven) 50 foot adat cables. I think they're spec'ed to 10 meters, and 50 feet exceeds that... So essentially *all* my recording is remote... my living room is remote, lol. Well, this may all end up with me buying a house that is compatible with shorter ADAT cables and having the PC in the same room as the AW, heh. Also, I've noticed it's much harder for me to get a good sounding recording with the computer, guitar pickups tend to get a lot of RF noise/whine from monitors, fan motors, etc, esp. with high gain amp settings, and mics pick up fan noise, like when the CPU fan changes gears suddenly, and none of those have been as much of a problem with my AW. But with the AW as a front end to the RME, maybe that would be alleviated somewhat, since previously my computer recording experiments have been through line-in of a cheap sound card (audigy2 value). -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 13:24:09 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Jun 20 13:24:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606201024x6c745f58rc934276285e6c679@mail.gmail.com> Many built-in/inexpensive sound cards are stuck at 48K. Possibly this one is also? - Mark On 6/20/06, Link Swanson wrote: > After removing my Multiface II and switching back to my nVidia onboard > audio, qjackctl will not run at 44100. I can set it in the setup window > and it reports starting 44100 in the messages: > > 11:07:46.232 Patchbay deactivated. > 11:07:46.322 Statistics reset. > 11:07:46.498 MIDI connection graph change. > 11:07:46.528 MIDI connection change. > 11:07:47.580 Startup script... > 11:07:47.580 artsshell -q terminate > 11:07:47.861 Startup script terminated with exit status=256. > 11:07:47.861 JACK is starting... > 11:07:47.862 jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:1,0 -r44100 -p512 -n2 -S > 11:07:47.870 JACK was started with PID=3071 (0xbff). > jackd 0.101.0 > Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > JACK compiled with System V SHM support. > loading driver .. > Enhanced3DNow! detected > SSE2 detected > apparent rate = 44100 > creating alsa driver ... hw:1,0|hw:1,0|512|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|16bit > control device hw:1 > configuring for 44100Hz, period = 512 frames, buffer = 2 periods > nperiods = 2 for capture > nperiods = 2 for playback > 11:07:49.953 Server configuration saved to "/home/bozone/.jackdrc". > 11:07:49.954 Statistics reset. > 11:07:49.979 Client activated. > 11:07:49.980 Audio connection change. > 11:07:49.981 Audio connection graph change. > Enhanced3DNow! detected > SSE2 detected > 11:10:21.095 MIDI connection graph change. > 11:10:21.123 Audio connection graph change. > 11:10:26.482 Audio connection graph change. > 11:10:26.504 MIDI connection graph change. > > But then both qjackctl and Ardour report 48000 as the samplerate. > > All help is appreciated. > > Link > > > -- > e-mail is . . . > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jun 20 13:29:18 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jun 20 13:29:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0606201024x6c745f58rc934276285e6c679@mail.gmail.com> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <5bdc1c8b0606201024x6c745f58rc934276285e6c679@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1150824559.2754.126.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 10:24 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > Many built-in/inexpensive sound cards are stuck at 48K. Possibly this > one is also? > It's still a bug for JACK not to report any error. Does aplay report any errors with a 44100Hz file? > - Mark > > On 6/20/06, Link Swanson wrote: > > After removing my Multiface II and switching back to my nVidia onboard > > audio, qjackctl will not run at 44100. I can set it in the setup window > > and it reports starting 44100 in the messages: > > > > 11:07:46.232 Patchbay deactivated. > > 11:07:46.322 Statistics reset. > > 11:07:46.498 MIDI connection graph change. > > 11:07:46.528 MIDI connection change. > > 11:07:47.580 Startup script... > > 11:07:47.580 artsshell -q terminate > > 11:07:47.861 Startup script terminated with exit status=256. > > 11:07:47.861 JACK is starting... > > 11:07:47.862 jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:1,0 -r44100 -p512 -n2 -S > > 11:07:47.870 JACK was started with PID=3071 (0xbff). > > jackd 0.101.0 > > Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > > jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > > JACK compiled with System V SHM support. > > loading driver .. > > Enhanced3DNow! detected > > SSE2 detected > > apparent rate = 44100 > > creating alsa driver ... hw:1,0|hw:1,0|512|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|16bit > > control device hw:1 > > configuring for 44100Hz, period = 512 frames, buffer = 2 periods > > nperiods = 2 for capture > > nperiods = 2 for playback > > 11:07:49.953 Server configuration saved to "/home/bozone/.jackdrc". > > 11:07:49.954 Statistics reset. > > 11:07:49.979 Client activated. > > 11:07:49.980 Audio connection change. > > 11:07:49.981 Audio connection graph change. > > Enhanced3DNow! detected > > SSE2 detected > > 11:10:21.095 MIDI connection graph change. > > 11:10:21.123 Audio connection graph change. > > 11:10:26.482 Audio connection graph change. > > 11:10:26.504 MIDI connection graph change. > > > > But then both qjackctl and Ardour report 48000 as the samplerate. > > > > All help is appreciated. > > > > Link > > > > > > -- > > e-mail is . . . > > > From public at 0x09.com Tue Jun 20 14:05:22 2006 From: public at 0x09.com (I. E. Smith-Heisters) Date: Tue Jun 20 14:05:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <1150656234.4428.83.camel@mindpipe> References: <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <1150571967.26252.88.camel@mindpipe> <1150649255.4428.68.camel@mindpipe> <1150656234.4428.83.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: Okay, so I enabled ALSA debugging, as well as debug detect: CONFIG_SND_DEBUG and CONFIG_SND_DEBUG_DETECT. Here's the /var/messages tail produced by trying to start Jack: Jun 20 14:00:26 localhost kernel: [17179738.108000] azx_pcm_prepare: bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:26 localhost kernel: [17179738.108000] hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.116000] azx_pcm_prepare: bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.120000] hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.156000] azx_pcm_prepare: bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.156000] hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.164000] azx_pcm_prepare: bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.164000] hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.196000] azx_pcm_prepare: bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.196000] hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.204000] azx_pcm_prepare: bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.204000] hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.244000] azx_pcm_prepare: bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.244000] hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.252000] azx_pcm_prepare: bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.252000] hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.292000] azx_pcm_prepare: bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.292000] hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.300000] azx_pcm_prepare: bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.300000] hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.340000] azx_pcm_prepare: bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.340000] hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.348000] azx_pcm_prepare: bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.348000] hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 *snip* Jun 20 14:00:32 localhost kernel: [17179743.156000] azx_pcm_prepare: bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:32 localhost kernel: [17179743.156000] hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:32 localhost kernel: [17179743.164000] azx_pcm_prepare: bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:32 localhost kernel: [17179743.164000] hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 Jun 20 14:00:32 localhost kernel: [17179743.180000] hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x0, channel=0, format=0x0 Jun 20 14:00:32 localhost kernel: [17179743.188000] hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x0, channel=0, format=0x0 I can't make heads or tails of that; hopefully it means something to you. I'll try compiling the RT vanilla kernel now and see if that shows anything.. Thanks for the help. On 6/18/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-06-18 at 14:38 -0400, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: > > > > > > > > Strange, Intel is no nice with OSS video drivers.. > > > > > > > > > > I don't think the video driver has anything at all to do with this. > > > > Oh, no, I was referring, rather, to their OSS support of their 950 > > video chipset; I would think their linux-friendliness would extend to > > their audio chipsets. > > > > Intel is fine. They wrote and released a perfectly good HDA driver. > It's just that the vendors have a LOT of latitude to make small > variations on the chipset and they don't help with ALSA drivers. > > It seems to work for many users but there are a lot of laptops that just > get no sound or bad sound. > > > > > > > Can you post the output of "dmesg" after trying JACK in realtime mode? > > > > > > > Nothing in there. The following is exactly the same as it was before > > trying to start jack. > > > > [17179691.824000] ACPI: Video Device [VID] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no) > > [17179691.824000] ACPI: Video Device [VID2] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no) > > [17179695.124000] ppdev: user-space parallel port driver > > [17179695.352000] apm: BIOS not found. > > [17179698.448000] Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.8 > > [17179698.448000] Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized > > [17179698.452000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized > > [17179698.452000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized > > [17179698.452000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.7 > > > > I tried compiling the RT kernel (just running the default Ubuntu > > PREEMPT right now), but ran into some problems, so I'll have to play > > with it some more. > > Maybe you could recompile the standard Ubuntu kernel and enable ALSA > debugging? > > Lee > > From mista.tapas at gmx.net Tue Jun 20 14:27:10 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Tue Jun 20 14:27:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <1150824559.2754.126.camel@mindpipe> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <5bdc1c8b0606201024x6c745f58rc934276285e6c679@mail.gmail.com> <1150824559.2754.126.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060620202710.75425a6b@mango.fruits> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:29:18 -0400 Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 10:24 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Many built-in/inexpensive sound cards are stuck at 48K. Possibly this > > one is also? > > > > It's still a bug for JACK not to report any error. > > Does aplay report any errors with a 44100Hz file? Hmm, is this it: Index: drivers/alsa/alsa_driver.c =================================================================== --- drivers/alsa/alsa_driver.c (revision 976) +++ drivers/alsa/alsa_driver.c (working copy) @@ -445,13 +445,13 @@ frame_rate = driver->frame_rate ; err = snd_pcm_hw_params_set_rate_near (handle, hw_params, &frame_rate, NULL) ; - driver->frame_rate = frame_rate ; - if (err < 0) { + if (err < 0 || (driver->frame_rate != frame_rate)) { jack_error ("ALSA: cannot set sample/frame rate to %" PRIu32 " for %s", driver->frame_rate, stream_name); return -1; } + driver->frame_rate = frame_rate ; if (!*nchns) { /*if not user-specified, try to find the maximum * number of channels */ -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Jun 20 14:37:26 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Jun 20 14:37:40 2006 Subject: [Jackit-devel] [linux-audio-user] JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <20060620202710.75425a6b@mango.fruits> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <5bdc1c8b0606201024x6c745f58rc934276285e6c679@mail.gmail.com> <1150824559.2754.126.camel@mindpipe> <20060620202710.75425a6b@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <1150828646.8703.146.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 20:27 +0200, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:29:18 -0400 > Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 10:24 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > Many built-in/inexpensive sound cards are stuck at 48K. Possibly this > > > one is also? > > > > > > > It's still a bug for JACK not to report any error. > > > > Does aplay report any errors with a 44100Hz file? > > Hmm, is this it: > > Index: drivers/alsa/alsa_driver.c > =================================================================== > --- drivers/alsa/alsa_driver.c (revision 976) > +++ drivers/alsa/alsa_driver.c (working copy) > @@ -445,13 +445,13 @@ > frame_rate = driver->frame_rate ; > err = snd_pcm_hw_params_set_rate_near (handle, hw_params, > &frame_rate, NULL) ; > - driver->frame_rate = frame_rate ; > - if (err < 0) { > + if (err < 0 || (driver->frame_rate != frame_rate)) { no, that doesn't work. the lack of any "retval != requested_val" test was changed a year or two back, on purpose. if we want to test this, the test has to be flexible: some h/w will report as real rate of 44099 rather than 44100. From rtp405 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 15:52:35 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Tue Jun 20 15:52:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which graphics card? Message-ID: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I need a display card that supports dual monitors out-of-the-box. This is for an audio box so 3D or whatever fancy features aren't needed. I'm running FC5 with Planet CCRMA and have no interest in changing distros. Experimentations in the xorg.conf file are unacceptable. Is that realistic? I'd like the thing to be OSS and licensed GPL so Lee Revel doesn't rip the jewels from my body when I ask for help configuring it. Of course the card you recommend is gonna work out of the box so Lee would never know if I'm sleeping with the devil... It took alot of time to configure the ATI Radeon 9500 to properly span dual monitors in FC3. I saved the xorg.conf file but of course it's back to the same old configuration nausea with FC5. And google searches return confusion and depressing news. I'll search a little more while waiting for some good advice. Thanks much, Ron I love Linux, I hate Linux...it never ends. I'm gonna poke out one of my eyes, fill the socket with salt and run around preaching the virtues of open source software to anyone I can get to listen to me. OK, I don't feel any better but will shutup. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jun 20 16:02:46 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jun 20 16:03:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 12:52 -0700, R Parker wrote: > I'd like the thing to > be OSS and licensed GPL so Lee Revel doesn't rip the > jewels from my body when I ask for help configuring > it. Of course the card you recommend is gonna work out > of the box so Lee would never know if I'm sleeping > with the devil... Wow. Is my position on closed source drivers really considered extremist on this list? It's shared by about 95% of people on the kernel list. Sorry, I will shut up about it if it's such a big deal. Lee From link at sumerianbabyl.com Tue Jun 20 16:11:27 2006 From: link at sumerianbabyl.com (Link Swanson) Date: Tue Jun 20 16:12:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5870.216.17.51.98.1150834287.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> Ron I have a Matrox G450 PCI card that has dual-head and needs very little configuration with FC5. I believe the Matrox drivers are open source. I'm not using it right now and I live in Dinkytown so if you'd like to try it out I can get it to you if you let me check out your studio . . . Link Swanson --- On Tue, June 20, 2006 2:52 pm, R Parker wrote: > Hi, > > I need a display card that supports dual monitors > out-of-the-box. This is for an audio box so 3D or > whatever fancy features aren't needed. I'm running FC5 > with Planet CCRMA and have no interest in changing > distros. Experimentations in the xorg.conf file are > unacceptable. Is that realistic? I'd like the thing to > be OSS and licensed GPL so Lee Revel doesn't rip the > jewels from my body when I ask for help configuring > it. Of course the card you recommend is gonna work out > of the box so Lee would never know if I'm sleeping > with the devil... > > It took alot of time to configure the ATI Radeon 9500 > to properly span dual monitors in FC3. I saved the > xorg.conf file but of course it's back to the same old > configuration nausea with FC5. And google searches > return confusion and depressing news. I'll search a > little more while waiting for some good advice. > > Thanks much, > > Ron > > I love Linux, I hate Linux...it never ends. I'm gonna > poke out one of my eyes, fill the socket with salt and > run around preaching the virtues of open source > software to anyone I can get to listen to me. OK, I > don't feel any better but will shutup. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- e-mail is . . . From rtp405 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 16:23:06 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Tue Jun 20 16:23:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060620202306.14515.qmail@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 12:52 -0700, R Parker wrote: > > I'd like the thing to > > be OSS and licensed GPL so Lee Revel doesn't rip > the > > jewels from my body when I ask for help > configuring > > it. Of course the card you recommend is gonna work > out > > of the box so Lee would never know if I'm sleeping > > with the devil... > > Wow. No! I meant it to be a joke and do prefer OSS and GPL which is why I asked. Is my position on closed source drivers really > considered > extremist on this list? It's shared by about 95% of > people on the > kernel list. > > Sorry, I will shut up about it if it's such a big > deal. It's a misunderstanding that's my fault. Your message is solid as ever and my interest is evidence of your effect. Please continue the good fight. What card should I buy? :) Ron > Lee > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Tue Jun 20 16:26:50 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Tue Jun 20 16:26:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 16:02 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 12:52 -0700, R Parker wrote: > > I'd like the thing to > > be OSS and licensed GPL so Lee Revel doesn't rip the > > jewels from my body when I ask for help configuring > > it. Of course the card you recommend is gonna work out > > of the box so Lee would never know if I'm sleeping > > with the devil... > > Wow. Is my position on closed source drivers really considered > extremist on this list? It's shared by about 95% of people on the > kernel list. > > Sorry, I will shut up about it if it's such a big deal. FWIW I've spent a (very) great deal of time, money, and effort building an (AGP) machine without a card which requires proprietary drivers for decent GL (namely a Radeon 9250). Please don't shut up about it. If anything do the opposite - more people need to be made aware of how very serious this problem is. -DR- From rtp405 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 16:27:49 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Tue Jun 20 16:28:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <5870.216.17.51.98.1150834287.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> Message-ID: <20060620202749.37354.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Link, > I have a Matrox G450 PCI card that has dual-head and > needs very little > configuration with FC5. I believe the Matrox drivers > are open source. I'm > not using it right now and I live in Dinkytown so if > you'd like to try it > out I can get it to you if you let me check out your > studio . . . Awesome. Please call my cell at 612-236-8144 I'm in the middle of a rebuild/redesign but can have audio running within minutes. Ron > Link Swanson > > > --- > > On Tue, June 20, 2006 2:52 pm, R Parker wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I need a display card that supports dual monitors > > out-of-the-box. This is for an audio box so 3D or > > whatever fancy features aren't needed. I'm running > FC5 > > with Planet CCRMA and have no interest in changing > > distros. Experimentations in the xorg.conf file > are > > unacceptable. Is that realistic? I'd like the > thing to > > be OSS and licensed GPL so Lee Revel doesn't rip > the > > jewels from my body when I ask for help > configuring > > it. Of course the card you recommend is gonna work > out > > of the box so Lee would never know if I'm sleeping > > with the devil... > > > > It took alot of time to configure the ATI Radeon > 9500 > > to properly span dual monitors in FC3. I saved the > > xorg.conf file but of course it's back to the same > old > > configuration nausea with FC5. And google searches > > return confusion and depressing news. I'll search > a > > little more while waiting for some good advice. > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Ron > > > > I love Linux, I hate Linux...it never ends. I'm > gonna > > poke out one of my eyes, fill the socket with salt > and > > run around preaching the virtues of open source > > software to anyone I can get to listen to me. OK, > I > > don't feel any better but will shutup. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > -- > e-mail is . . . > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rtp405 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 16:27:49 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Tue Jun 20 16:28:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <5870.216.17.51.98.1150834287.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> Message-ID: <20060620202749.37354.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Link, > I have a Matrox G450 PCI card that has dual-head and > needs very little > configuration with FC5. I believe the Matrox drivers > are open source. I'm > not using it right now and I live in Dinkytown so if > you'd like to try it > out I can get it to you if you let me check out your > studio . . . Awesome. Please call my cell at 612-236-8144 I'm in the middle of a rebuild/redesign but can have audio running within minutes. Ron > Link Swanson > > > --- > > On Tue, June 20, 2006 2:52 pm, R Parker wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I need a display card that supports dual monitors > > out-of-the-box. This is for an audio box so 3D or > > whatever fancy features aren't needed. I'm running > FC5 > > with Planet CCRMA and have no interest in changing > > distros. Experimentations in the xorg.conf file > are > > unacceptable. Is that realistic? I'd like the > thing to > > be OSS and licensed GPL so Lee Revel doesn't rip > the > > jewels from my body when I ask for help > configuring > > it. Of course the card you recommend is gonna work > out > > of the box so Lee would never know if I'm sleeping > > with the devil... > > > > It took alot of time to configure the ATI Radeon > 9500 > > to properly span dual monitors in FC3. I saved the > > xorg.conf file but of course it's back to the same > old > > configuration nausea with FC5. And google searches > > return confusion and depressing news. I'll search > a > > little more while waiting for some good advice. > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Ron > > > > I love Linux, I hate Linux...it never ends. I'm > gonna > > poke out one of my eyes, fill the socket with salt > and > > run around preaching the virtues of open source > > software to anyone I can get to listen to me. OK, > I > > don't feel any better but will shutup. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > -- > e-mail is . . . > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From steve at hassard.net Tue Jun 20 17:11:50 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Tue Jun 20 17:12:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> Dave Robillard wrote: > FWIW I've spent a (very) great deal of time, money, and effort building > an (AGP) machine without a card which requires proprietary drivers for > decent GL (namely a Radeon 9250). This seems the best route to go ATM, but does anyone have any suggestions for doing something similar with a recent PCI-Express system? I see that Xorg is starting to support the ATI X800 line of cards using the radeon driver, but DRI support seems very early. Also, 2D speed on my X800 XL seems quite slow compared to the binary drivers, which is a big deterrent from staying with the OSS drivers. later, Steve From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 19:07:13 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Jun 20 19:07:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> Message-ID: On 6/21/06, Stephen Hassard wrote: > Dave Robillard wrote: > > FWIW I've spent a (very) great deal of time, money, and effort building > > an (AGP) machine without a card which requires proprietary drivers for > > decent GL (namely a Radeon 9250). > > This seems the best route to go ATM, but does anyone have any > suggestions for doing something similar with a recent PCI-Express system? > > I see that Xorg is starting to support the ATI X800 line of cards using > the radeon driver, but DRI support seems very early. Also, 2D speed on > my X800 XL seems quite slow compared to the binary drivers, which is a > big deterrent from staying with the OSS drivers. > > later, > Steve > My nvidia (6600le pci-e) works okay with the open source drivers (nv) but forget gl stuff unless you use the nvidia drivers. Loki From rtp405 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 19:27:07 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Tue Jun 20 19:27:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060620232707.49068.qmail@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Loki Davison wrote: > On 6/21/06, Stephen Hassard > wrote: > > Dave Robillard wrote: > > > FWIW I've spent a (very) great deal of time, > money, and effort building > > > an (AGP) machine without a card which requires > proprietary drivers for > > > decent GL (namely a Radeon 9250). > > > > This seems the best route to go ATM, but does > anyone have any > > suggestions for doing something similar with a > recent PCI-Express system? > > > > I see that Xorg is starting to support the ATI > X800 line of cards using > > the radeon driver, but DRI support seems very > early. Also, 2D speed on > > my X800 XL seems quite slow compared to the binary > drivers, which is a > > big deterrent from staying with the OSS drivers. > > > > later, > > Steve > > > > My nvidia (6600le pci-e) works okay with the open > source drivers (nv) > but forget gl stuff unless you use the nvidia > drivers. Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "mga" VendorName "Videocard vendor" BoardName "Matrox Graphics, Inc. G400/G450" This is the one Link Swanson just brought over to the studio and it's spanning dual screens running "2.6.16-1.2080.13.rdt.rhfc5.ccrma". I've had a couple hard lockups while configuring, we'll see how stable it is as I run it. Ron > Loki > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Tue Jun 20 19:40:38 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Tue Jun 20 19:41:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture V0.2.4 Message-ID: jack_capture is a small program to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers into a file without every having to patch jack connections, fiddle around with fileformats, or set options on the argument line. This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no one made. So here it is. http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ Changes 0.2.3 -> 0.2.4: *Give message to stderr during recording (not only after) if any overruns occur. *Do not delete file after recording if any overruns have occured. (stupid jackreq code #$!@$) *Increased default buffer size from 0.5M to 2M. From _ at whats-your.name Tue Jun 20 19:55:34 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Tue Jun 20 19:55:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> Message-ID: <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> > My nvidia (6600le pci-e) works okay with the open source drivers (nv) my Nvidia 6200 AGP is totally unusable with the nv driver (this is the dedicated RAM version of the card, a slower clocked 6600). the 2d is in VESA territory as far as performance, eg, wait a half second for window to update after you moved it, mplayer can't even output video at more than 0.2 fps, and for some reason it wont antialias fonts. the proprietary driver is pretty much perfect, license-zealotry aside, except that it wont work with XGL, since its compiled to a particular stable server version.. my Ati Mobility Radeon is actually faster with the free driver in 2D than the proprietary driver. fglrx likes to slow down the entire system just to say, draw a scrolling 'now playing' text in audacious. its routine to see 35-40% cpu usage just for X. and trails when dragging windows. in fact window dragging is much less smoth than my 1997 Vintage Mac, with an ATI Rage (2 mb VRAM), running OSX, where it doesnt even benefit from hardware acceleration since the card is so old..once again XGL doesnt work here either. yes, the situation is pretty bad.. i even had to switch my mom back to winXP from Gnome, since she complained about her brand new 2ghz sempron being 'too slow'... From cesare at poeticstudios.com Tue Jun 20 22:02:01 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Tue Jun 20 20:01:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <1150824559.2754.126.camel@mindpipe> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <5bdc1c8b0606201024x6c745f58rc934276285e6c679@mail.gmail.com> <1150824559.2754.126.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4498A899.2080204@poeticstudios.com> Lee Revell wrote: >On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 10:24 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > >>Many built-in/inexpensive sound cards are stuck at 48K. Possibly this >>one is also? >> >> >> > >It's still a bug for JACK not to report any error. > >Does aplay report any errors with a 44100Hz file? > > > In fact it happens on my laptop (it has a VIA AC97 chip). Jack does report the sample rate you choose but the other applications connect to it at 48000Hz. I guess it is because they're designed to play dvds (which are at 48000Hz) and they don't have a built-in sample rate converter. Maybe JACK assumes they always have one since it is designed for high end cards? >>- Mark >> >>On 6/20/06, Link Swanson wrote: >> >> >>>After removing my Multiface II and switching back to my nVidia onboard >>>audio, qjackctl will not run at 44100. I can set it in the setup window >>>and it reports starting 44100 in the messages: >>> >>>11:07:46.232 Patchbay deactivated. >>>11:07:46.322 Statistics reset. >>>11:07:46.498 MIDI connection graph change. >>>11:07:46.528 MIDI connection change. >>>11:07:47.580 Startup script... >>>11:07:47.580 artsshell -q terminate >>>11:07:47.861 Startup script terminated with exit status=256. >>>11:07:47.861 JACK is starting... >>>11:07:47.862 jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:1,0 -r44100 -p512 -n2 -S >>>11:07:47.870 JACK was started with PID=3071 (0xbff). >>>jackd 0.101.0 >>>Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. >>>jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY >>>This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it >>>under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details >>>JACK compiled with System V SHM support. >>>loading driver .. >>>Enhanced3DNow! detected >>>SSE2 detected >>>apparent rate = 44100 >>>creating alsa driver ... hw:1,0|hw:1,0|512|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|16bit >>>control device hw:1 >>>configuring for 44100Hz, period = 512 frames, buffer = 2 periods >>>nperiods = 2 for capture >>>nperiods = 2 for playback >>>11:07:49.953 Server configuration saved to "/home/bozone/.jackdrc". >>>11:07:49.954 Statistics reset. >>>11:07:49.979 Client activated. >>>11:07:49.980 Audio connection change. >>>11:07:49.981 Audio connection graph change. >>>Enhanced3DNow! detected >>>SSE2 detected >>>11:10:21.095 MIDI connection graph change. >>>11:10:21.123 Audio connection graph change. >>>11:10:26.482 Audio connection graph change. >>>11:10:26.504 MIDI connection graph change. >>> >>>But then both qjackctl and Ardour report 48000 as the samplerate. >>> >>>All help is appreciated. >>> >>>Link >>> >>> >>>-- >>>e-mail is . . . >>> >>> >>> > > > > > -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jun 20 20:07:48 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jun 20 20:08:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> Message-ID: <1150848469.2754.205.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 23:55 +0000, carmen wrote: > the proprietary driver is pretty much perfect, license-zealotry aside, Please don't refer to people who want vendors to comply with the GPL as "zealots". (Although the nvidia driver is *probably* legal it's still an attack on the intentions of the GPL) Lee From cesare at poeticstudios.com Tue Jun 20 22:10:28 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Tue Jun 20 20:10:16 2006 Subject: [Jackit-devel] [linux-audio-user] JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <1150828646.8703.146.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <5bdc1c8b0606201024x6c745f58rc934276285e6c679@mail.gmail.com> <1150824559.2754.126.camel@mindpipe> <20060620202710.75425a6b@mango.fruits> <1150828646.8703.146.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4498AA94.30606@poeticstudios.com> Paul Davis wrote: >On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 20:27 +0200, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > > >>On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:29:18 -0400 >>Lee Revell wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 10:24 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Many built-in/inexpensive sound cards are stuck at 48K. Possibly this >>>>one is also? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>It's still a bug for JACK not to report any error. >>> >>>Does aplay report any errors with a 44100Hz file? >>> >>> >>Hmm, is this it: >> >>Index: drivers/alsa/alsa_driver.c >>=================================================================== >>--- drivers/alsa/alsa_driver.c (revision 976) >>+++ drivers/alsa/alsa_driver.c (working copy) >>@@ -445,13 +445,13 @@ >> frame_rate = driver->frame_rate ; >> err = snd_pcm_hw_params_set_rate_near (handle, hw_params, >> &frame_rate, NULL) ; >>- driver->frame_rate = frame_rate ; >>- if (err < 0) { >>+ if (err < 0 || (driver->frame_rate != frame_rate)) { >> >> > >no, that doesn't work. > >the lack of any "retval != requested_val" test was changed a year or two >back, on purpose. if we want to test this, the test has to be flexible: >some h/w will report as real rate of 44099 rather than 44100. > > > Wouldn't be ok to have: + if (err < 0 || ( abs(driver->frame_rate - frame_rate) < 10 )) { The fact that jack didn't report that he couldn't set a choosen rate caused a bit of an headache to me too when I tried it for the first time on my laptop. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jun 20 20:14:05 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jun 20 20:14:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <4498A899.2080204@poeticstudios.com> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <5bdc1c8b0606201024x6c745f58rc934276285e6c679@mail.gmail.com> <1150824559.2754.126.camel@mindpipe> <4498A899.2080204@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <1150848846.2754.208.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 02:02 +0000, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > >On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 10:24 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > >>Many built-in/inexpensive sound cards are stuck at 48K. Possibly this > >>one is also? > >> > >> > >> > > > >It's still a bug for JACK not to report any error. > > > >Does aplay report any errors with a 44100Hz file? > > > > > > > In fact it happens on my laptop (it has a VIA AC97 chip). Jack does > report the sample rate you choose but the other applications connect to > it at 48000Hz. > > I guess it is because they're designed to play dvds (which are at > 48000Hz) and they don't have a built-in sample rate converter. Maybe > JACK assumes they always have one since it is designed for high end cards? > I think cards defaulted to 48000Hz before DVDs existed. I believe the AC97 spec requires it and it's cheapest to support a single sample rate and rely on a software sample rate converter for everything else. Lee > >>- Mark > >> > >>On 6/20/06, Link Swanson wrote: > >> > >> > >>>After removing my Multiface II and switching back to my nVidia onboard > >>>audio, qjackctl will not run at 44100. I can set it in the setup window > >>>and it reports starting 44100 in the messages: > >>> > >>>11:07:46.232 Patchbay deactivated. > >>>11:07:46.322 Statistics reset. > >>>11:07:46.498 MIDI connection graph change. > >>>11:07:46.528 MIDI connection change. > >>>11:07:47.580 Startup script... > >>>11:07:47.580 artsshell -q terminate > >>>11:07:47.861 Startup script terminated with exit status=256. > >>>11:07:47.861 JACK is starting... > >>>11:07:47.862 jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:1,0 -r44100 -p512 -n2 -S > >>>11:07:47.870 JACK was started with PID=3071 (0xbff). > >>>jackd 0.101.0 > >>>Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > >>>jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > >>>This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > >>>under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > >>>JACK compiled with System V SHM support. > >>>loading driver .. > >>>Enhanced3DNow! detected > >>>SSE2 detected > >>>apparent rate = 44100 > >>>creating alsa driver ... hw:1,0|hw:1,0|512|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|16bit > >>>control device hw:1 > >>>configuring for 44100Hz, period = 512 frames, buffer = 2 periods > >>>nperiods = 2 for capture > >>>nperiods = 2 for playback > >>>11:07:49.953 Server configuration saved to "/home/bozone/.jackdrc". > >>>11:07:49.954 Statistics reset. > >>>11:07:49.979 Client activated. > >>>11:07:49.980 Audio connection change. > >>>11:07:49.981 Audio connection graph change. > >>>Enhanced3DNow! detected > >>>SSE2 detected > >>>11:10:21.095 MIDI connection graph change. > >>>11:10:21.123 Audio connection graph change. > >>>11:10:26.482 Audio connection graph change. > >>>11:10:26.504 MIDI connection graph change. > >>> > >>>But then both qjackctl and Ardour report 48000 as the samplerate. > >>> > >>>All help is appreciated. > >>> > >>>Link > >>> > >>> > >>>-- > >>>e-mail is . . . > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 20:22:35 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Jun 20 20:23:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> On 6/20/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > > yes, the situation is pretty bad.. i even had to switch my mom back to winXP from Gnome, since she complained about her brand new 2ghz sempron being 'too slow'... > Boy, I understand that situation. I've finally managed to get DRI working on my wife's 32-bit machine with an Intel chipset with built-in VGA, but I can't seem to get DRI working on my AMD64 with a PCI-Express ATI card, nor on my son's old machine with an older off-beat card. (No suprise there I suppose...) I was talking to a guy I saw reading Linux Journal in a coffee shop this afternoon. We both agreed that Linux's major problem for the average user is not the way it operates but the problems of configuring it. Once set up it's great. The path to get it set up, while hugely better than a few years ago, is just way beyond what anyone should have to do. Cheers, Mark From cesare at poeticstudios.com Tue Jun 20 22:35:56 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Tue Jun 20 20:35:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <1150848846.2754.208.camel@mindpipe> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <5bdc1c8b0606201024x6c745f58rc934276285e6c679@mail.gmail.com> <1150824559.2754.126.camel@mindpipe> <4498A899.2080204@poeticstudios.com> <1150848846.2754.208.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4498B08C.10201@poeticstudios.com> Lee Revell wrote: >On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 02:02 +0000, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > >>Lee Revell wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 10:24 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Many built-in/inexpensive sound cards are stuck at 48K. Possibly this >>>>one is also? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>It's still a bug for JACK not to report any error. >>> >>>Does aplay report any errors with a 44100Hz file? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>In fact it happens on my laptop (it has a VIA AC97 chip). Jack does >>report the sample rate you choose but the other applications connect to >>it at 48000Hz. >> >>I guess it is because they're designed to play dvds (which are at >>48000Hz) and they don't have a built-in sample rate converter. Maybe >>JACK assumes they always have one since it is designed for high end cards? >> >> >> > >I think cards defaulted to 48000Hz before DVDs existed. I believe the >AC97 spec requires it and it's cheapest to support a single sample rate >and rely on a software sample rate converter for everything else. > >Lee > > Not all. On my desktop pc (which has a VIA 8237, an AC97 based card - the mb is a ASUS K8V-X) jack lets me choose both sample rates. c. > > >>>>- Mark >>>> >>>>On 6/20/06, Link Swanson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>After removing my Multiface II and switching back to my nVidia onboard >>>>>audio, qjackctl will not run at 44100. I can set it in the setup window >>>>>and it reports starting 44100 in the messages: >>>>> >>>>>11:07:46.232 Patchbay deactivated. >>>>>11:07:46.322 Statistics reset. >>>>>11:07:46.498 MIDI connection graph change. >>>>>11:07:46.528 MIDI connection change. >>>>>11:07:47.580 Startup script... >>>>>11:07:47.580 artsshell -q terminate >>>>>11:07:47.861 Startup script terminated with exit status=256. >>>>>11:07:47.861 JACK is starting... >>>>>11:07:47.862 jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:1,0 -r44100 -p512 -n2 -S >>>>>11:07:47.870 JACK was started with PID=3071 (0xbff). >>>>>jackd 0.101.0 >>>>>Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. >>>>>jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY >>>>>This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it >>>>>under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details >>>>>JACK compiled with System V SHM support. >>>>>loading driver .. >>>>>Enhanced3DNow! detected >>>>>SSE2 detected >>>>>apparent rate = 44100 >>>>>creating alsa driver ... hw:1,0|hw:1,0|512|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|16bit >>>>>control device hw:1 >>>>>configuring for 44100Hz, period = 512 frames, buffer = 2 periods >>>>>nperiods = 2 for capture >>>>>nperiods = 2 for playback >>>>>11:07:49.953 Server configuration saved to "/home/bozone/.jackdrc". >>>>>11:07:49.954 Statistics reset. >>>>>11:07:49.979 Client activated. >>>>>11:07:49.980 Audio connection change. >>>>>11:07:49.981 Audio connection graph change. >>>>>Enhanced3DNow! detected >>>>>SSE2 detected >>>>>11:10:21.095 MIDI connection graph change. >>>>>11:10:21.123 Audio connection graph change. >>>>>11:10:26.482 Audio connection graph change. >>>>>11:10:26.504 MIDI connection graph change. >>>>> >>>>>But then both qjackctl and Ardour report 48000 as the samplerate. >>>>> >>>>>All help is appreciated. >>>>> >>>>>Link >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>e-mail is . . . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jun 20 20:45:43 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jun 20 20:45:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <4498B08C.10201@poeticstudios.com> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <5bdc1c8b0606201024x6c745f58rc934276285e6c679@mail.gmail.com> <1150824559.2754.126.camel@mindpipe> <4498A899.2080204@poeticstudios.com> <1150848846.2754.208.camel@mindpipe> <4498B08C.10201@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <1150850744.2754.214.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 02:35 +0000, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > >I think cards defaulted to 48000Hz before DVDs existed. I believe > the > >AC97 spec requires it and it's cheapest to support a single sample > rate > >and rely on a software sample rate converter for everything else. > > > >Lee > > > > > Not all. On my desktop pc (which has a VIA 8237, an AC97 based card - > the mb is a ASUS K8V-X) jack lets me choose both sample rates. Yeah, some VIA chipsets have a hardware sample rate converter. But it's getting less and less common. And a hardware SRC is almost never as good as the best software SRCs. IMHO it's best to run JACK at the highest sample rate your hardware supports then downsample with a high quality software SRC if your target sample rate is 44.1Khz. Lee From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Jun 20 20:46:56 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Jun 20 20:47:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> Message-ID: I've been doing some Mastering work stuck at 44100 and have been using ecasound combined with the .asoundrc jackplug extension as well as the jack dummy driver to get some rudimentary support for Jack sample rate conversion. Of course it would be nice for Jack to do this by itself and simply display a warning. Carlo From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jun 20 20:52:42 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jun 20 20:53:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> Message-ID: <1150851163.2754.216.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 02:46 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > I've been doing some Mastering work stuck at 44100 and have been using > ecasound combined with the .asoundrc jackplug extension as well as the > jack dummy driver to get some rudimentary support for Jack sample rate > conversion. > > Of course it would be nice for Jack to do this by itself and simply > display a warning. > You can do it already, just run JACK with a plughw device rather than hw. But, why do you want this? You'll get better results running at a hardware supported sample rate then resampling at the end. Lee From smcameron at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 20:57:51 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Tue Jun 20 20:58:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0606201001i46b7e446xc8fda291a7e9414@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060621005751.848.qmail@web33010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Mark Knecht wrote: > > > To set the card's clock rate will likely require use of some amixer > > > commands. man amixer and then play around with reading out the > > > controls in the driver. The correct solution here is to configure > > > either your Hammerfall or the AW4416 as a clock slave. I don't have > > > any problems using the ADAT lines to sync clocks so you could try that > > > to begin with. It will certainly work well enough to test the > > > connection. You can go to a spdif or Word Clock sync later if you need > > > it. I'm not sure if you can do Word Clock sync on a DIGI9636 anyway. > > > That connection may be on the DIGI9652 expander card. I cannot > > > remember. > > > > Ok, this gives me some hints to play around with, and encouragement. > > Thanks a bunch! I imagine when I run, say qjackconnect, > > I should expect to see a bunch of inputs and outputs to > > the hammerfall? But maybe my config files (asound... ) have > > to be correct first? > > You should not need any config files. I don't use them. There is one > file which is created by the system called /etc/asound.state which > sometimes is outdated by Alsa updates. If that happens you'll get > messages when Alsa starts (probably boot time for you - what distro?) > and the messages will say things like a 'control' has incorrect > values, etc. If that happens just erase asound.state and let the > system create a new one. > > > > > Anyway, it will work. Possibly you can post back your currect > > > settings from /proc/asound/cards and the output of amixer's listing of > > > controls and er can get you lined up pretty quickly. > > > > Ok, I will do that tonight. > > Will look in and see if I can help. > > Cheers, > Mark > Well, here's what I've tried so far tonight: Ran jack as root. Ran qjackctl as root. -------------- On the setup/Settings page: Checked: Realime/hw monitor/hw meter. Left other messages alone. Priority: 0 Prames/period: 1024 (a guess) sample rate:22050 (default...) Periods/Buffer: 2 Port Max: 128 Timeout: 500ms Interface: hw:1 Dither: none Audio:duplex Input device:(default) output device:(default) input channels: 0 output channels: 0 input latency: 0 output latency: 0 Latency: 92.9 msec ----------- The "input channels: 0" and "output channels: 0" seem suspicious. If I try to change them Jack won't start and says: "ALSA: cannot set channel count to 1 for capture" If I leave them zero, jack will start (but I don't know if that's right.) On the AW4416: On the Setup/Patch In page, it looks like SL2-1 through SL2-8 are mapped to mixer input channels 17-24. For the mixer 1-24/rtn-1-2, I pushed the faders up. On the "Home" screen, 1-24/rtn, I can monitor the inputs. I ran ecasound like so: ecasound -c -b:1024 -i:planet-zoing-zoing-banjomix.wav -o:jack Then "start" Then in qjackctl, I can see ecasound in the "capture" column, and I routed it to every single output (all 18 of them -- presumably 2 s/pdif outs + 16 ADAT outs.) So I am seeing the hammerfall having 18 ports, which is encouraging I got nothing on the AW4416 where I would expect the sound from the wav file to show up on all 8 ADAT inputs. That's where things stand right now. -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Jun 20 20:58:57 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Jun 20 20:59:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <1150851163.2754.216.camel@mindpipe> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <1150851163.2754.216.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: > You can do it already, just run JACK with a plughw device rather than > hw. Cool! > > But, why do you want this? You'll get better results running at a > hardware supported sample rate then resampling at the end. I have sources that were recorded at 48kHz. I figured that if I downsampled before mastering the processing would possibly obscure the conversion noise for the finished product (CD), at the cost of having conversion noise during monitoring. Thanks for the tip! Carlo From artdent at freeshell.org Tue Jun 20 20:59:15 2006 From: artdent at freeshell.org (Jacob Lee) Date: Tue Jun 20 20:59:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] USB Audio device with toslink spdif output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1150851555.4890.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 13:25 +0100, Andrew Lyon wrote: > Hi, > > Can anybody recommend a usb audio device with toslink spdif output > that works with alsa drivers? I need to add one to my pvr system as > its onboard toslink is not well supported. > > My main criteria is price, and that the toslink optical spdif output > must work reliably, I would really like to get a device that also has > line-in connections which are output on the toslink, i.e. internally > mixed into the toslnk output. > > I have found a few devices that might do the job: > > Audiotrak MAYA EX > Behringer U-CONTROL UCA202 > Voyetra Turtle Beach Audio Advantage Micro > M-Audio Transit USB > > but it is hard to know if they are properly supported and work reliably. > > Any recommendation would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > Andy > I can tell you that the M-Audio Transit does not have an internal mixer. You can route the line-in to the output in software if you don't mind a bit of latency. I've never tried the optical output on that card, so I can't tell you if it works or not. -- Jacob Lee From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Jun 20 21:03:51 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Jun 20 21:05:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: RT and Jack problems In-Reply-To: <20060619205136.f5vwque6g4wc48gc@mail.online.ie> References: <20060619205136.f5vwque6g4wc48gc@mail.online.ie> Message-ID: As far as I know MusE authors admit to it being rather unstable, so this might be the reason. I know setting the muse exectutable 'setuid' works, however I would recommend simply using seq24 for MIDI and Ardour for Audio (MIDI support for Ardour is coming up). Carlo From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jun 20 21:05:43 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jun 20 21:06:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <1150851163.2754.216.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1150851944.2754.221.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 02:58 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > You can do it already, just run JACK with a plughw device rather than > > hw. > > Cool! > Maybe not so cool - the ALSA sample rate converter is definitely not high quality. It's designed to be fast. Good for desktop stuff but not so good for pro audio. > > > > But, why do you want this? You'll get better results running at a > > hardware supported sample rate then resampling at the end. > > I have sources that were recorded at 48kHz. I figured that if I > downsampled before mastering the processing would possibly obscure the > conversion noise for the finished product (CD), at the cost of having > conversion noise during monitoring. You have a soundcard that can't do 48KHz in hardware? That's unusual. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jun 20 21:07:52 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jun 20 21:08:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: RT and Jack problems In-Reply-To: References: <20060619205136.f5vwque6g4wc48gc@mail.online.ie> Message-ID: <1150852073.2754.222.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 03:03 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > As far as I know MusE authors admit to it being rather unstable, so this > might be the reason. > > I know setting the muse exectutable 'setuid' works, however I would > recommend simply using seq24 for MIDI and Ardour for Audio (MIDI support > for Ardour is coming up). No, the reason is that his setup does not support non-root realtime. Just use the realtime LSM. Lee From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Jun 20 21:01:44 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Jun 20 21:10:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <1150851163.2754.216.camel@mindpipe> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <1150851163.2754.216.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: > You can do it already, just run JACK with a plughw device rather than > hw. Just running plughw:0 won't let me select 44.1kHz. Can you be more specific on what needs to be done? Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Jun 20 21:16:32 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Jun 20 21:16:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <1150851944.2754.221.camel@mindpipe> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <1150851163.2754.216.camel@mindpipe> <1150851944.2754.221.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: I have one of the usual consumer cards that will only support 48kHz. I want to master 44.1kHz audio using Jack and Jamin, and for this I need to run Jack at 44.1kHz. I also need some way to monitor (ie upsample to 48kHz and output through ALSA), but this need not be high quality since I will be testing on other equipment as well. Carlo From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jun 20 21:28:24 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jun 20 21:28:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <1150851163.2754.216.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1150853305.2754.224.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 03:01 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > You can do it already, just run JACK with a plughw device rather than > > hw. > > Just running plughw:0 won't let me select 44.1kHz. Can you be more > specific on what needs to be done? That should be enough. I don't know why it would not work. Something must have been changed recently. I would report it on the JACK list. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jun 20 21:29:20 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jun 20 21:29:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <1150851163.2754.216.camel@mindpipe> <1150851944.2754.221.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1150853361.2754.226.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 03:16 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > I have one of the usual consumer cards that will only support 48kHz. I > want to master 44.1kHz audio using Jack and Jamin, and for this I need > to run Jack at 44.1kHz. I also need some way to monitor (ie upsample to > 48kHz and output through ALSA), but this need not be high quality since > I will be testing on other equipment as well. Why don't you just master at 48Khz then resample at the end? I think you'll get better quality this way than using the ALSA SRC. Lee From _ at whats-your.name Tue Jun 20 21:41:54 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Tue Jun 20 21:42:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <1150853361.2754.226.camel@mindpipe> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <1150851163.2754.216.camel@mindpipe> <1150851944.2754.221.camel@mindpipe> <1150853361.2754.226.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060621014154.GA18792@replic.net> > Why don't you just master at 48Khz then resample at the end? I think > you'll get better quality this way than using the ALSA SRC. mastering with an onboard consumer card that only supports 16bit/48khz? no thanks :) From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Jun 20 21:50:57 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Jun 20 21:51:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <20060621014154.GA18792@replic.net> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <1150851163.2754.216.camel@mindpipe> <1150851944.2754.221.camel@mindpipe> <1150853361.2754.226.camel@mindpipe> <20060621014154.GA18792@replic.net> Message-ID: <1150854658.2754.230.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 01:41 +0000, carmen wrote: > > Why don't you just master at 48Khz then resample at the end? I think > > you'll get better quality this way than using the ALSA SRC. > > mastering with an onboard consumer card that only supports 16bit/48khz? no thanks :) > Mastering at 16 bit/48Khz was the norm for the first 15 years or so of digital audio, and those CDs sound fine to me. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 23:07:06 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Jun 20 23:07:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <20060621005751.848.qmail@web33010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0606201001i46b7e446xc8fda291a7e9414@mail.gmail.com> <20060621005751.848.qmail@web33010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606202007t210a77edwebde1a0dff9cf1d3@mail.gmail.com> On 6/20/06, Stephen Cameron wrote: > > Well, here's what I've tried so far tonight: > > Ran jack as root. > Ran qjackctl as root. Let's try running Jack from within QJC. That way you can set up a Jack profile with settings that make sense and then you can save them. I suspect, for no good reason, that the mixer and the Hammerfall wouldn't be happy if the Hammerfall is really running at 22K. In QJC make sure that you are choosing the right soundcard. Is it possible that you have a built in sound card that is set up for card 0 and the Hammerfall is actually card 1? mark@lightning ~ $ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [CK804 ]: NFORCE - NVidia CK804 NVidia CK804 with ALC850 at 0xda103000, irq 225 1 [DSP ]: H-DSP - Hammerfall DSP RME Hammerfall HDSP 9652 at 0xda000000, irq 66 mark@lightning ~ $ If yours looks anything like this then the default Jack setting is running Jack with the built in card. However since you see 18 IO's it sounds like the Hammerfall and not a built in unless they are virtual ports... >From within QJC I start Jack here with the command shown, and again this is my HDSP9652, not a Hammerfall, but it should be very close if not exactly the same, and this is what I see in QJC's message window: (you do NOT need to run 64/2 for testing...) 20:01:52.019 jackd -R -P80 -p512 -dalsa -dhw:1 -r44100 -p64 -n2 20:01:52.035 JACK was started with PID=4148 (0x1034). jackd 0.102.14 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... hw:1|hw:1|64|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:1 configuring for 44100Hz, period = 64 frames, buffer = 2 periods ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 32bit little-endian ALSA: use 2 periods for capture ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 32bit little-endian ALSA: use 2 periods for playback 20:01:54.084 Server configuration saved to "/home/mark/.jackdrc". Hope this helps somehow, Mark From smcameron at yahoo.com Tue Jun 20 23:38:57 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Tue Jun 20 23:39:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0606202007t210a77edwebde1a0dff9cf1d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060621033857.14552.qmail@web33012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark Knecht wrote; > On 6/20/06, Stephen Cameron wrote: > > > > > Well, here's what I've tried so far tonight: > > > > Ran jack as root. > > Ran qjackctl as root. > > Let's try running Jack from within QJC. That way you can set up a Jack > profile with settings that make sense and then you can save them. Actually I did. After I typed "Run jack as root", I meant to replace that line with "Run qjackctl as root", not keep both lines. > > I suspect, for no good reason, that the mixer and the Hammerfall > wouldn't be happy if the Hammerfall is really running at 22K. Ok. I don't know what to make of that. > > In QJC make sure that you are choosing the right soundcard. Is it > possible that you have a built in sound card that is set up for card 0 > and the Hammerfall is actually card 1? > I set in the Setup window of qjackctl -> interface: "hw:1" but actually, this is a good point, I actually have _three_ soundcards, I think. The first is the completely useless one on the motherboard, the 2nd is an "audigy2 value" and the third is the RME. So, now that you mention it, I would think it should be hw:2, but somehow I still think it's "hw:1" Maybe it's because the motherboard soundcard is so utterly useless it doesn't even show up for work? Er, come to think of it I may have disabled it in the ROM setup of my computer because it was only causing problems... I can't recall if I did that or not. I am sure I thought about trying to do it. In any case, I think "hw:1" is correct, because of this: [scameron@zuul ~]$ arecord -l **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices **** card 0: Audigy2 [Audigy 2 Value [SB0400]], device 0: emu10k1 [ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: Audigy2 [Audigy 2 Value [SB0400]], device 1: emu10k1 mic [Mic Capture] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: Audigy2 [Audigy 2 Value [SB0400]], device 2: emu10k1 efx [Multichannel Capture/PT Playback] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: R15 [RME Digi9636 (Rev 1.5)], device 0: RME Digi9636 (Rev 1.5) [RME Digi9636 (Rev 1.5)] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 [scameron@zuul ~]$ [scameron@zuul ~]$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [Audigy2 ]: Audigy2 - Audigy 2 Value [SB0400] Audigy 2 Value [SB0400] (rev.0, serial:0x10011102) at 0x9000, irq 11 1 [R15 ]: RME9636 - RME Digi9636 (Rev 1.5) RME Digi9636 (Rev 1.5) at 0xea000000, irq 10 [scameron@zuul ~]$ > > mark@lightning ~ $ cat /proc/asound/cards > 0 [CK804 ]: NFORCE - NVidia CK804 > NVidia CK804 with ALC850 at 0xda103000, irq 225 > 1 [DSP ]: H-DSP - Hammerfall DSP > RME Hammerfall HDSP 9652 at 0xda000000, irq 66 > mark@lightning ~ $ > > > If yours looks anything like this then the default Jack setting is > running Jack with the built in card. However since you see 18 IO's it > sounds like the Hammerfall and not a built in unless they are virtual > ports... Yeah, I set it to "hw:1" so I think it's correct. > > >From within QJC I start Jack here with the command shown, and again > this is my HDSP9652, not a Hammerfall, but it should be very close if > not exactly the same, and this is what I see in QJC's message window: > > (you do NOT need to run 64/2 for testing...) > > 20:01:52.019 jackd -R -P80 -p512 -dalsa -dhw:1 -r44100 -p64 -n2 Ok, I will have to try that one. > 20:01:52.035 JACK was started with PID=4148 (0x1034). > jackd 0.102.14 > Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > JACK compiled with System V SHM support. > loading driver .. > apparent rate = 44100 > creating alsa driver ... hw:1|hw:1|64|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit > control device hw:1 > configuring for 44100Hz, period = 64 frames, buffer = 2 periods > ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 32bit little-endian > ALSA: use 2 periods for capture > ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 32bit little-endian > ALSA: use 2 periods for playback > 20:01:54.084 Server configuration saved to "/home/mark/.jackdrc". > > Hope this helps somehow, > Mark > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rtp405 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 00:11:26 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Wed Jun 21 00:11:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060621041126.28278.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Mark Knecht wrote: > On 6/20/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > > > > yes, the situation is pretty bad.. i even had to > switch my mom back to winXP from Gnome, since she > complained about her brand new 2ghz sempron being > 'too slow'... > > > > Boy, I understand that situation. I've finally > managed to get DRI > working on my wife's 32-bit machine with an Intel > chipset with > built-in VGA, but I can't seem to get DRI working on > my AMD64 with a > PCI-Express ATI card, nor on my son's old machine > with an older > off-beat card. (No suprise there I suppose...) > > I was talking to a guy I saw reading Linux Journal > in a coffee shop > this afternoon. We both agreed that Linux's major > problem for the > average user is not the way it operates but the > problems of > configuring it. Once set up it's great. The path to > get it set up, > while hugely better than a few years ago, is just > way beyond what > anyone should have to do. Some setup challanges really suck. I've been doing my best to be a hardcore Linux user for several years but it's hard to do because I spend to much time administrating. I'm about to give up and dive deeper into the mess by taking some online C programming classes. I figure spending $400 per class will piss me off so much that I'll actually learn something. Is Windows any better? I've gotta setup a Windows box during the July 4th holiday. It would be great if the stupid thing threw me for a lope and I couldn't finish the job before leaving for home. lol Ron > Cheers, > Mark > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From _ at whats-your.name Wed Jun 21 00:24:22 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Wed Jun 21 00:24:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060621041126.28278.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <20060621041126.28278.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060621042422.GB18792@replic.net> > Is Windows any better? performance for single-threaded GUI apps is much better on winXp than linux. which is 98% of what people use windows for. try to do even two things at once, especially involving disk access, and it quickly goes downhill > I've gotta setup a Windows box good luck. youll learn a whole new set of workarounds and tweaks - i hope you have enough spare brain cells. it can be made decently tolerable for light use. the first thing i'd suggest is installing MinGW, MSYS, and MSYS-DTK from http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/mingw/ and adding their respective bin/'s to your PATH . then you can start->run rxvt -e bash.exe... From rtp405 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 00:37:57 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Wed Jun 21 00:38:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060621042422.GB18792@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060621043757.72599.qmail@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > > I've gotta setup a Windows box > > good luck. youll learn a whole new set of > workarounds and tweaks - i hope you have enough > spare brain cells. Thanks for the warning. The last time I did anything challanging with Windows was around 1998. I'm gonna pay a Windows guy to build it for me. The last thing I need to do is think. Ron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lau at kudla.org Wed Jun 21 01:01:38 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Jun 21 01:05:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060621041126.28278.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060621041126.28278.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200606210101.40077.lau@kudla.org> On Wed June 21 2006 00:11, R Parker wrote: > Is Windows any better? I've gotta setup a Windows box > during the July 4th holiday. It would be great if the > stupid thing threw me for a lope and I couldn't finish > the job before leaving for home. lol Basically, either Windows comes preinstalled on a PC and the video and wifi and all that stuff that gives us trouble is already working, BUT the thing is loaded down with nags to register this or that and take this survey and warnings that your computer is not adequately protected and there are a ton of what appear to be programs but are actually just demos and there are 37 icons in the system tray.... or you'll be installing it from scratch, which these days takes about the same amount of time as a decent Linux but is subject to some of the same problems with obtaining and installing drivers. Oh yeah, and in either case, you'll be needing to download and install a bunch of stuff. Openoffice and Firefox come to mind (friends don't let friends run IE, but MS Works is even worse), but I also usually do gaim, acroread or foxit, java, flash, PDF Creator, putty (for my own use), vncviewer (ditto), irfanview, gimp, 7zip, and most surprisingly a codec pack (I was amazed at how few video formats XP would play out of the box.) I keep all that stuff on a usb memory key on my keychain and update it whenever I remember to, because when people know that you're a total tool they tend to ask you for help a lot. Rob From jstutters at jeremah.co.uk Wed Jun 21 03:45:49 2006 From: jstutters at jeremah.co.uk (Jonny Stutters) Date: Wed Jun 21 03:46:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> Mark Knecht wrote: > I was talking to a guy I saw reading Linux Journal in a coffee shop > this afternoon. We both agreed that Linux's major problem for the > average user is not the way it operates but the problems of > configuring it. Once set up it's great. The path to get it set up, > while hugely better than a few years ago, is just way beyond what > anyone should have to do. I don't agree that this is "Linux's problem" exactly. The sole remaining major problem with Linux imho is bad support from the hardware vendors. The OS is capable of accurate hardware detection but without drivers (either at all or of good quality) the configuration process gets mired in a quagmire of xorg.conf and kernel modules. I'm not laying blame exclusively at the feet of the graphics card manufacturers on this, the situation with soundcards is just as bad. The current workaround for this seems to be an all Intel system which is fine until you realise that this leaves us as vendor locked in as the Windows guys who can't switch because they've got too many accounts in Quicken. Note that in no way to I want to denigrate the hard work of the hackers working on Linux drivers. They've done an amazing job working completely in the dark in some cases. What I'm saying is that years of reverse engineering _shouldn't_be_necessary_ in the first place. The solution as I see it (and so this isn't a /completely/ negative rant ;) ) is more advocacy => more users => noticable difference to the bottom line of companies who don't supply quality (open-source where legally possible) Linux drivers. The people on this list are amongst the best advocates seen as we're out there on stages in front of people already. -- Jonny Music - http://jeremah.co.uk News - http://voxpolis.com From fbar at footils.org Wed Jun 21 03:59:28 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Jun 21 03:59:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Jonny Stutters hat gesagt: // Jonny Stutters wrote: > The solution as I see it (and so this isn't a /completely/ negative rant > ;) ) is more advocacy => more users => noticable difference to the > bottom line of companies who don't supply quality (open-source where > legally possible) Linux drivers. An important part of the solution also is to boycott vendors, who don't provide specifications for the development of open source drivers for their hardware. As long as people still buy NVidia chips, why should they change their current position? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Jun 21 05:47:22 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Jun 21 05:47:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <20060621014154.GA18792@replic.net> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <1150851163.2754.216.camel@mindpipe> <1150851944.2754.221.camel@mindpipe> <1150853361.2754.226.camel@mindpipe> <20060621014154.GA18792@replic.net> Message-ID: > mastering with an onboard consumer card that only supports 16bit/48khz? no thanks :) I'm so good you won't here a difference. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Jun 21 05:50:42 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Jun 21 05:55:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <1150853361.2754.226.camel@mindpipe> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <1150851163.2754.216.camel@mindpipe> <1150851944.2754.221.camel@mindpipe> <1150853361.2754.226.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: Again, the ALSA conversion process is not in the final product, only in the monitoring, which is fine since I will be testing on other devices anyway. I figured downsampling after mixdown before mastering would give me better quality since compression and equalization would compensate for downsampling noise. This is only a hypothesis though, which I am testing now. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Jun 21 06:31:48 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Jun 21 06:32:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <1150853305.2754.224.camel@mindpipe> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <1150851163.2754.216.camel@mindpipe> <1150853305.2754.224.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: > That should be enough. I don't know why it would not work. Something > must have been changed recently. I would report it on the JACK list. Done. From illth at gmx.de Wed Jun 21 07:51:46 2006 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Wed Jun 21 07:52:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Jonny Stutters hat gesagt: // Jonny Stutters wrote: > > >> The solution as I see it (and so this isn't a /completely/ negative rant >> ;) ) is more advocacy => more users => noticable difference to the >> bottom line of companies who don't supply quality (open-source where >> legally possible) Linux drivers. >> > > An important part of the solution also is to boycott vendors, who > don't provide specifications for the development of open source > drivers for their hardware. > > As long as people still buy NVidia chips, why should they change their > current position? > But nvidia DOES offer decent (non-GPL, proprietary, binary) drivers. not that i am totally happy about that, but this is the best you can get. sure - nv's drivers do suck in some respect, but also the ati open source drivers do. and even if there were open source drivers - no one* would use them, if the closed source drivers bring better performance. Or would anyone of you really spent ? 280 for a 7800GT and use (imaginatory) open source drivers instead of just get the same performance from a ?180 7600GT with closed source drivers ? well, i say that drivers for things like webcams, soundchips and all that stuff should be opensource. but i have to confess that 3D gfx drivers (with decent performance) are such a complex thing that you can not demand them to be opensource. *) ok, ppl that use the gfx card only for 2D and some eye candy that is GL accelerated probably will use them. > Ciao > From glauberalex at uol.com.br Wed Jun 21 08:26:36 2006 From: glauberalex at uol.com.br (glauber alex dias prado) Date: Wed Jun 21 08:27:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1150892796.12210.16.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 13:51 +0200, Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > Frank Barknecht wrote: > > Hallo, > > Jonny Stutters hat gesagt: // Jonny Stutters wrote: > > > > > >> The solution as I see it (and so this isn't a /completely/ negative rant > >> ;) ) is more advocacy => more users => noticable difference to the > >> bottom line of companies who don't supply quality (open-source where > >> legally possible) Linux drivers. > >> > > > > An important part of the solution also is to boycott vendors, who > > don't provide specifications for the development of open source > > drivers for their hardware. > > > > As long as people still buy NVidia chips, why should they change their > > current position? > > > But nvidia DOES offer decent (non-GPL, proprietary, binary) drivers. > > not that i am totally happy about that, but this is the best you can get. > > sure - nv's drivers do suck in some respect, but also the ati open > source drivers do. > and even if there were open source drivers - no one* would use them, if > the closed source drivers > bring better performance. > > Or would anyone of you really spent ? 280 for a 7800GT and use > (imaginatory) open source drivers > instead of just get the same performance from a ?180 7600GT with closed > source drivers ? > > well, i say that drivers for things like webcams, soundchips and all > that stuff should be opensource. > > but i have to confess that 3D gfx drivers (with decent performance) are > such a complex thing that > you can not demand them to be opensource. > > *) ok, ppl that use the gfx card only for 2D and some eye candy that is > GL accelerated probably will use them. > > > > Ciao > > > one solution to this could be we make a kind of petition to the nvidia company to have a opensource driver made by them how this is of their interest also cause this could be a more efficient way to work, i think that collaborative development is much more friendly than company only and friendship leads to efficiency imho, why boycott when we can show others alternatives? even microsoft is using open source libs somewhere, i dont know where but were in the news a few months ago. From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Jun 21 10:25:07 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Jun 21 08:29:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (R. Parker's message of "Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:52:35 -0700 (PDT)") References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8764iusi0s.fsf@esben-stien.name> R Parker writes: > This is for an audio box so 3D or whatever fancy features aren't > needed. Tomorrows desktop is 3d accelerated. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Jun 21 10:27:12 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Jun 21 08:31:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> (Dave Robillard's message of "Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:26:50 -0400") References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <871wtishxb.fsf@esben-stien.name> Dave Robillard writes: > I've spent a (very) great deal of time, money, and effort building > an (AGP) machine without a card which requires proprietary drivers > for decent GL (namely a Radeon 9250). Indeed. I did the same and I'm a die hard gamer;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From fbar at footils.org Wed Jun 21 08:34:28 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Jun 21 08:34:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20060621123428.GD13600@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Thomas Ilnseher hat gesagt: // Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > But nvidia DOES offer decent (non-GPL, proprietary, binary) drivers. In my opinion that's a kind of trojan horse, but this issue has been talked about here many times, so one might want to seach the archives for more on my opinion. > but i have to confess that 3D gfx drivers (with decent performance) are > such a complex thing that > you can not demand them to be opensource. I have an Intel laptop with a G900 chipset, whose open source drivers provide 3D performance that is decent enough for me to do a performance on stage with it that includes 3D-graphics and sound coming from the same laptop, see the LAC2006 site for a video. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From fbar at footils.org Wed Jun 21 08:35:51 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Jun 21 08:35:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <8764iusi0s.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8764iusi0s.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <20060621123551.GE13600@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Esben Stien hat gesagt: // Esben Stien wrote: > R Parker writes: > > > This is for an audio box so 3D or whatever fancy features aren't > > needed. > > Tomorrows desktop is 3d accelerated. Tomorrow's Intel cards will perform as today's nvidia cards. ;) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From arnold.krille at gmail.com Wed Jun 21 08:36:02 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Wed Jun 21 08:36:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <200606210101.40077.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060621041126.28278.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200606210101.40077.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <2def88b80606210536i19cb6cedkb08b72bcf2531deb@mail.gmail.com> 2006/6/21, Rob : > I keep all > that stuff on a usb memory key on my keychain and update it > whenever I remember to, because when people know that you're a > total tool they tend to ask you for help a lot. But they stop if you say something like "I am only a linux freak, my last windows-experience is long ago..." And even more of them stop asking if you admit that you are a linux-software-developer, not concerned with ether hardware nor windows... Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Jun 21 08:37:53 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Jun 21 08:38:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: JACK samplerate stuck at 48000 In-Reply-To: <1150853305.2754.224.camel@mindpipe> References: <31157.216.17.51.98.1150821382.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <1150851163.2754.216.camel@mindpipe> <1150853305.2754.224.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: Update: Setting jack to playback only mode re-sets the sampling rate to 48000, while duplex mode renders the following error message: ALSA: cannot set period size to 128 frames for capture ALSA: cannot configure capture channel Complete output: jackd 0.100.0 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... plughw:0|plughw:0|128|2|44100|2|2|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:0 configuring for 44100Hz, period = 128 frames, buffer = 2 periods ALSA: cannot set period size to 128 frames for capture ALSA: cannot configure capture channel cannot load driver module alsa no message buffer overruns Carlo From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Jun 21 10:44:26 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Jun 21 08:48:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> (Thomas Ilnseher's message of "Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:51:46 +0200") References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> Message-ID: <87wtbar2k5.fsf@esben-stien.name> Thomas Ilnseher writes: > would anyone of you really spent ? 280 for a 7800GT and use > (imaginatory) open source drivers instead of just get the same > performance from a ?180 7600GT with closed source drivers ? I would indeed do that and it's what I do today. This situation will turn in our favor if even more people could see that this is the only way we can make progress. By manifesting demand, more and more pressure will be visible. If they don't bend on this subject, I'm sure we'll get a hero in the form of a free hardware project. > i have to confess that 3D gfx drivers (with decent performance) are > such a complex thing that you can not demand them to be opensource. Sorry, but that's non sense, in my opinion. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Jun 20 21:09:09 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Jun 21 09:30:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <20060621005751.848.qmail@web33010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060621005751.848.qmail@web33010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1150852149.8703.175.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Ran jack as root. > Ran qjackctl as root. > > -------------- > On the setup/Settings page: > > Checked: Realime/hw monitor/hw meter. > Left other messages alone. > > Priority: 0 > Prames/period: 1024 (a guess) > sample rate:22050 (default...) > Periods/Buffer: 2 > Port Max: 128 > Timeout: 500ms > Interface: hw:1 > Dither: none > Audio:duplex > Input device:(default) > output device:(default) > input channels: 0 > output channels: 0 > input latency: 0 > output latency: 0 > Latency: 92.9 msec > ----------- > > The "input channels: 0" and "output channels: 0" > seem suspicious. If I try to change them Jack > won't start and says: "ALSA: cannot set channel > count to 1 for capture" If I leave them zero, jack > will start (but I don't know if that's right.) its correct. qjackctl could do a better job of presenting the idea that "zero = use however many channels the hardware offers". > Then in qjackctl, I can see ecasound in the "capture" column, > and I routed it to every single output (all 18 of them -- > presumably 2 s/pdif outs + 16 ADAT outs.) So I am seeing > the hammerfall having 18 ports, which is encouraging please jack_lsp -c and post the results here, that way we can see precisely what connections you have set up. > I got nothing on the AW4416 where I would expect the sound > from the wav file to show up on all 8 ADAT inputs. and where do you expect them to show up? From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Wed Jun 21 09:50:37 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Wed Jun 21 09:47:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <"115083 3 767.2754.155.camel"@mindpipe> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <"ec9314860606201607y54983316rf7f1152c55ef82 ba"@mail.gmail.com> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <"5bdc1c8b0606201722x 6d 8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53"@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <44994EAD.3020109@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Frank Barknecht escribi?: > Hallo, Jonny Stutters hat gesagt: // Jonny Stutters wrote: > >> The solution as I see it (and so this isn't a /completely/ >> negative rant ;) ) is more advocacy => more users => noticable >> difference to the bottom line of companies who don't supply >> quality (open-source where legally possible) Linux drivers. > > An important part of the solution also is to boycott vendors, who > don't provide specifications for the development of open source > drivers for their hardware. > > As long as people still buy NVidia chips, why should they change > their current position? > > Ciao I'll play devil's advocate here for a second, to what extent does a driver include such information of the hardware it "drives" that it would be considered a trade secret to release either its source or specifications of the hardware to build them? How much third party technology is involved in the drivers in the first place, that would violate *any* commercial agreements the hardware vendor may have with other companies in terms of licensed technologies? If removed these components from the drivers, how good their performance would be when compared to the closed ones? I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the video card market is one heck of a vicious business, with not only rapid development cycles, but also a lot (and I mean a *LOT*) of cross licensed technology not to mention a billion-dollar industry. This makes it way too complex (IMO) and extremely difficult to have fully open source drivers, unless it is for those considered low-end or entry-level class of cards/chips (where numbers level in the amount of units). I'm not sure what would be the panacea to this "problem", I for one have no problems using closed drivers (if they will get the job done, and will allow me to use the best hardware for the job). I do realize that if a high-end vendor opens up their drivers, Linux users will be more than happy to use them and there would be no problems with the GPL and other licensing issues, but this would also mean that these drivers wouldn't be allowed to include third-licensed technology in them. The most obvious situation with cross-license issues and open source video drivers has got to be the texture compression algorithms, especially S3TC. S3TC is not free, you have to license it to be able to implement it, and at the same time the hardware has to be compliant with it. I some years ago had a discussion about this very issue, and asked myself why wouldn't open source video drivers use an open texture compression algorithm... First I thought there was no such TC algorithm, but then I remembered 3dfx and the VSA-100 architecture (Voodoo 4, 5). They indeed developed a TC algorithm that they made open before they were bought up by nVidia, FXTC (not to be confused with DXTC, which is DirectX's texture compression, a derivative of S3TC). FXTC proved to have superior quality than S3TC, but it also required hardware support for it (as far as I remember, prove me wrong, please!), even if the algorithm and specification were open for anyone to implement, no one actually did (or did they?), so my allegation was why not use FXTC if it is open and pretty much (as much as I can remember) anyone could implement it for open source drivers as an alternative to S3TC? The answer is astonishingly simple: S3TC is now the de facto standard and the default format for a LOT of textures used in many applications and games, this would involve a massive move, which in turn would die (as it did) because (as MS-Office) some else made it not so nice, but bearably nice, cheaper and most of all, first (Ok, MSO wasn't there first, but it was cheaper). Trying to incorporate such technology at this point would be incredibly hard, I wonder, though if it would be harder than trying to make S2TC (and DXTC by extension) Open in turn? At the current rate, seems like VIA and Intel are the best options for anyone to have in terms of open source driver support, even if you lose in performance/features, why can't we have the three: features, performance and FREEDOM? Well, with current business models, it is simply not going to happen. Fortunately more player are willing to give us them three, but at baby-ant' steps. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEmU6tXM+XOp70dwoRAqhiAJ0eZUe/QlQAa8qKgCjkdiCzwoVlpQCcDgNt 9gMkP8ypcOomCg9ypFqsGLM= =gL0I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fbar at footils.org Wed Jun 21 10:36:39 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Jun 21 10:36:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <44994EAD.3020109@prodigy.net.mx> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <"ec9314860606201607y54983316rf7f1152c55ef82ba"@mail.gmail.com> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44994EAD.3020109@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <20060621143639.GG13600@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Gian Paolo Mureddu hat gesagt: // Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the video card market is one heck > of a vicious business, with not only rapid development cycles, but > also a lot (and I mean a *LOT*) of cross licensed technology not to > mention a billion-dollar industry. Note that NVidia is also not releasing specs (AFIAK) for their mainboard chipsets. Onboard ethernet is not exactly superhightech. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From illth at gmx.de Wed Jun 21 11:42:14 2006 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Wed Jun 21 11:42:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <87wtbar2k5.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> <87wtbar2k5.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <449968D6.2060404@gmx.de> Esben Stien wrote: > Thomas Ilnseher writes: > > >> would anyone of you really spent ? 280 for a 7800GT and use >> (imaginatory) open source drivers instead of just get the same >> performance from a ?180 7600GT with closed source drivers ? >> > > I would indeed do that and it's what I do today. ok. i couldn't think of anyone doing that. i would not do it, as i am quite comfortable w/ the closed driver, and can't see wha an open source driver can give me that is worth ?100. (i can see what an opensource driver can give me, but it's not worth ?100 imho) > This situation will > turn in our favor if even more people could see that this is the only > way we can make progress. By manifesting demand, more and more > pressure will be visible. how? you can not get any decent gfx performance w/ open source drivers. ati X series can hardly be called high end, not to speak about intel and via. so you can boycott nvidia by buying ! nvidia and ati are the only remaining high-end gfx chip vendors. both have specs closed. > If they don't bend on this subject, I'm sure > we'll get a hero in the form of a free hardware project. > i think this doesn't work. developing hardware is uber expensive, a set of masks for a chip is $1M. as you need several masks, this would cost you ~ $10M at least. i think this is too much money for an open organization. FPGA is also not an option due to speed/power/etc. also such a hardware would compete with via in the first place (slower than intel) but for via/intel specs are somewhat open. > >> i have to confess that 3D gfx drivers (with decent performance) are >> such a complex thing that you can not demand them to be opensource. >> > > Sorry, but that's non sense, in my opinion. > > From smcameron at yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 11:50:54 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Wed Jun 21 11:51:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <1150852149.8703.175.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060621155054.80042.qmail@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Paul Davis wrote: [...] > > The "input channels: 0" and "output channels: 0" > > seem suspicious. If I try to change them Jack > > won't start and says: "ALSA: cannot set channel > > count to 1 for capture" If I leave them zero, jack > > will start (but I don't know if that's right.) > > its correct. qjackctl could do a better job of presenting the idea that > "zero = use however many channels the hardware offers". Ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation. > > > Then in qjackctl, I can see ecasound in the "capture" column, > > and I routed it to every single output (all 18 of them -- > > presumably 2 s/pdif outs + 16 ADAT outs.) So I am seeing > > the hammerfall having 18 ports, which is encouraging > > please jack_lsp -c and post the results here, that way we can see > precisely what connections you have set up. Ok, I'll do that when I get home tonight. I noticed ecasound doesn't show up in qjackctl's connection window until I start it playing... then, after it's playing, I can set up connections. Wonder if there's a way to set up those connections before I start the playing? > > > I got nothing on the AW4416 where I would expect the sound > > from the wav file to show up on all 8 ADAT inputs. > > and where do you expect them to show up? On the pre-fader mixer input channel meters in the AW4416. Likely you don't really care too much about the esoteric workings of the AW4416, but in case you do, there is a pdf here which is not too bad. http://www.yamaha-europe.com/yamaha_europe/download/products/20_proaudio/multitrack_recorders/professional_audio_workstation/AW4416/aw4416_blockdiagramm.pdf ugh, big url... http://tinyurl.com/px3ot (well, the block diagram at the end cuts off the left hand side, which is unfortunate, as this is where the input meters are shown.) Anyway, on page 3 of that pdf, where it says "If you select F1 [1-24/RTN] you can see the meter array for all 24 possible inputs..." That is the screen I'm looking at. I have the 8 inputs of the Yamaha ADAT interface assigned to mixer channels 17-24, so expect to see something on the meters for those channels when I get all this working. -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jun 21 12:02:55 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jun 21 12:03:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <449968D6.2060404@gmx.de> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> <87wtbar2k5.fsf@esben-stien.name> <449968D6.2060404@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1150905776.2754.265.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 17:42 +0200, Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > how? you can not get any decent gfx performance w/ open source > drivers. > ati X series can hardly be called high end, not to speak about intel > and via. > > so you can boycott nvidia by buying ! > nvidia and ati are the only remaining high-end gfx chip vendors. > > both have specs closed. Some people value freedom and the ability to debug the kernel of somethign goes wrong over getting every ounce of performance out of their machine. Why is this so hard to understand? Lee From lau at kudla.org Wed Jun 21 12:06:05 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Jun 21 12:08:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200606211206.06985.lau@kudla.org> On Wed June 21 2006 07:51, Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > Or would anyone of you really spent ? 280 for a 7800GT and use > (imaginatory) open source drivers > instead of just get the same performance from a ?180 7600GT > with closed source drivers ? I have certainly paid more for hardware that I knew would work without having to install proprietary software on my computer, let alone into the kernel. Choosing Gravis over Creative Labs back in the day, ATI (pre-Radeon) over Diamond and then Nvidia, and just about any other wifi card over one that uses a Broadcom chipset are all examples of this behavior. > but i have to confess that 3D gfx drivers (with decent > performance) are such a complex thing that > you can not demand them to be opensource. Nvidia and ATI aren't keeping their graphics drivers proprietary because they're "such a complex thing", they're keeping them proprietary because they're in an arms race and don't want to hand their competition a roadmap to their advanced features. At any rate, yours is a straw man argument because the free software community isn't asking to be handed a working free software driver, we just want enough information on the card to write our own driver like we do for all the other video cards on the market who aren't competing with Nvidia and ATI on the high end. Rob From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Jun 21 13:25:05 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Jun 21 13:15:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <1150905776.2754.265.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> <87wtbar2k5.fsf@esben-stien.name> <449968D6.2060404@gmx.de> <1150905776.2754.265.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <449980F1.8040101@woh.rr.com> Greetings: This topic should be entered in the LA* FAQ. However, the FAQ itself is woefully out of date and needs repaired (Jazz++ is one of the "most recommended" MIDI applications). Perhaps someone on this list could take a little time off from their discourses here and work a bit on the FAQ ? Not so much fun as the LAU list but potentially more valuable (i.e. it might reach more people). At least then we could simply refer people to the FAQ instead of rehashing the thread. Best, dp From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Jun 21 13:19:21 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Jun 21 13:19:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <20060621033857.14552.qmail@web33012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0606202007t210a77edwebde1a0dff9cf1d3@mail.gmail.com> <20060621033857.14552.qmail@web33012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606211019p79484c47kfd8685a85d9082a3@mail.gmail.com> On 6/20/06, Stephen Cameron wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote; > > On 6/20/06, Stephen Cameron wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, here's what I've tried so far tonight: > > > > > > Ran jack as root. > > > Ran qjackctl as root. > > > > Let's try running Jack from within QJC. That way you can set up a Jack > > profile with settings that make sense and then you can save them. > > Actually I did. After I typed "Run jack as root", I meant to > replace that line with "Run qjackctl as root", not keep both > lines. > > > > > I suspect, for no good reason, that the mixer and the Hammerfall > > wouldn't be happy if the Hammerfall is really running at 22K. > > Ok. I don't know what to make of that. > > > > > In QJC make sure that you are choosing the right soundcard. Is it > > possible that you have a built in sound card that is set up for card 0 > > and the Hammerfall is actually card 1? > > > > I set in the Setup window of qjackctl -> interface: "hw:1" > but actually, this is a good point, I actually > have _three_ soundcards, I think. The first is > the completely useless one on the motherboard, > the 2nd is an "audigy2 value" and the third is > the RME. So, now that you mention it, I would > think it should be hw:2, but somehow I still > think it's "hw:1" Maybe it's because the motherboard > soundcard is so utterly useless it doesn't even > show up for work? Er, come to think of it I may have > disabled it in the ROM setup of my computer because > it was only causing problems... I can't recall if I > did that or not. I am sure I thought about trying to do > it. In any case, I think "hw:1" is correct, because of this: > > [scameron@zuul ~]$ arecord -l > **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices **** > card 0: Audigy2 [Audigy 2 Value [SB0400]], device 0: emu10k1 [ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback] > Subdevices: 1/1 > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > card 0: Audigy2 [Audigy 2 Value [SB0400]], device 1: emu10k1 mic [Mic Capture] > Subdevices: 1/1 > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > card 0: Audigy2 [Audigy 2 Value [SB0400]], device 2: emu10k1 efx [Multichannel Capture/PT > Playback] > Subdevices: 1/1 > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > card 1: R15 [RME Digi9636 (Rev 1.5)], device 0: RME Digi9636 (Rev 1.5) [RME Digi9636 (Rev 1.5)] > Subdevices: 1/1 > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > [scameron@zuul ~]$ > [scameron@zuul ~]$ cat /proc/asound/cards > 0 [Audigy2 ]: Audigy2 - Audigy 2 Value [SB0400] > Audigy 2 Value [SB0400] (rev.0, serial:0x10011102) at 0x9000, irq 11 > 1 [R15 ]: RME9636 - RME Digi9636 (Rev 1.5) > RME Digi9636 (Rev 1.5) at 0xea000000, irq 10 > [scameron@zuul ~]$ > > > > > mark@lightning ~ $ cat /proc/asound/cards > > 0 [CK804 ]: NFORCE - NVidia CK804 > > NVidia CK804 with ALC850 at 0xda103000, irq 225 > > 1 [DSP ]: H-DSP - Hammerfall DSP > > RME Hammerfall HDSP 9652 at 0xda000000, irq 66 > > mark@lightning ~ $ > > > > > > If yours looks anything like this then the default Jack setting is > > running Jack with the built in card. However since you see 18 IO's it > > sounds like the Hammerfall and not a built in unless they are virtual > > ports... > > Yeah, I set it to "hw:1" so I think it's correct. > > > > > >From within QJC I start Jack here with the command shown, and again > > this is my HDSP9652, not a Hammerfall, but it should be very close if > > not exactly the same, and this is what I see in QJC's message window: > > > > (you do NOT need to run 64/2 for testing...) > > > > 20:01:52.019 jackd -R -P80 -p512 -dalsa -dhw:1 -r44100 -p64 -n2 > > Ok, I will have to try that one. > > > 20:01:52.035 JACK was started with PID=4148 (0x1034). > > jackd 0.102.14 > > Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > > jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > > JACK compiled with System V SHM support. > > loading driver .. > > apparent rate = 44100 > > creating alsa driver ... hw:1|hw:1|64|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit > > control device hw:1 > > configuring for 44100Hz, period = 64 frames, buffer = 2 periods > > ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 32bit little-endian > > ALSA: use 2 periods for capture > > ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 32bit little-endian > > ALSA: use 2 periods for playback > > 20:01:54.084 Server configuration saved to "/home/mark/.jackdrc". > > > > Hope this helps somehow, > > Mark > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Jun 21 13:37:17 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Jun 21 13:37:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <20060621033857.14552.qmail@web33012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0606202007t210a77edwebde1a0dff9cf1d3@mail.gmail.com> <20060621033857.14552.qmail@web33012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606211037n44ebdec5r95a3476af96a1670@mail.gmail.com> On 6/20/06, Stephen Cameron wrote: > > I suspect, for no good reason, that the mixer and the Hammerfall > > wouldn't be happy if the Hammerfall is really running at 22K. > > Ok. I don't know what to make of that. Nor I. We need to figure this out. If the card is truly not running at 44/48K then I suspect your mixer will give you no sound, as it seems to be. > The first is > the completely useless one on the motherboard, > the 2nd is an "audigy2 value" and the third is > the RME. So, now that you mention it, I would > think it should be hw:2, but somehow I still > think it's "hw:1" Maybe it's because the motherboard > soundcard is so utterly useless it doesn't even > show up for work? No, Linux/Alsa is not like Windows. It does not automatically load drivers for you. If you do not load a driver for the onboard chip then it won't work and won't show up in the list, which looking below it did not. That is NOT the problem. > [scameron@zuul ~]$ cat /proc/asound/cards > 0 [Audigy2 ]: Audigy2 - Audigy 2 Value [SB0400] > Audigy 2 Value [SB0400] (rev.0, serial:0x10011102) at 0x9000, irq 11 > 1 [R15 ]: RME9636 - RME Digi9636 (Rev 1.5) > RME Digi9636 (Rev 1.5) at 0xea000000, irq 10 > [scameron@zuul ~]$ > You have two cards recognized by Alsa and the Hammerfall is hw:1 One thing that has caused problems with some RME cards in the past is the revision of firmward on the card. You seem to have Ver. 1.5 which appears to be the same one I had at the time: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.devel/36449 mark gigastudio ~ $ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [M2496 ]: ICE1712 - M Audio Audiophile 24/96 M Audio Audiophile 24/96 at 0xa400, irq 10 1 [R15 ]: RME9636 - RME Digi9636 (Rev 1.5) RME Digi9636 (Rev 1.5) at 0xe2000000, irq 9 2 [CMI8738MC6 ]: CMI8738-MC6 - C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC6 C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC6 (model 55) at 0xd800, irq 11 mark gigastudio ~ $ At this point I might suggest getting either meterbridge or jackbitscope (hope that's the name) and making sure that you are actually sending data on the Jack ports. You might also try a simpler application like Aqualung or alsaplayer as a verification of what you are doing with ecasound. I'm a bit lost as to where you might look next. On my HDSP 9652 I Can explore the /proc/asound/card1 directory a bit and see Alsa reporting things about the card. Note that unless the card is operating much of this was not reporting anything. However, after starting Jack I start getting info, most of which isn't helpful but the last one was. It shows sample rate: mark@lightning ~ $ cat /proc/asound/card1/pcm0c/sub0/status state: RUNNING trigger_time: 1150911228.996154244 tstamp : 1150911244.400714450 delay : 80 avail : 80 avail_max : 96 ----- hw_ptr : 679376 appl_ptr : 679296 mark@lightning ~ $ mark@lightning ~ $ cat /proc/asound/card1/pcm0c/sub0/sw_params tstamp_mode: NONE period_step: 1 sleep_min: 0 avail_min: 64 xfer_align: 64 start_threshold: 0 stop_threshold: 128 silence_threshold: 0 silence_size: 0 boundary: 4611686018427387904 mark@lightning ~ $ mark@lightning ~ $ cat /proc/asound/card1/pcm0c/sub0/hw_params access: MMAP_NONINTERLEAVED format: S32_LE subformat: STD channels: 26 rate: 44100 (44100/1) period_size: 64 buffer_size: 128 tick_time: 1000 mark@lightning ~ $ Maybe you can do something similar and see what you discover? Cheers, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Jun 21 13:55:30 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Jun 21 13:55:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0606211037n44ebdec5r95a3476af96a1670@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0606202007t210a77edwebde1a0dff9cf1d3@mail.gmail.com> <20060621033857.14552.qmail@web33012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5bdc1c8b0606211037n44ebdec5r95a3476af96a1670@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606211055q23326e31x9c0928f70ff6b9b@mail.gmail.com> On 6/21/06, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 6/20/06, Stephen Cameron wrote: > > > > I suspect, for no good reason, that the mixer and the Hammerfall > > > wouldn't be happy if the Hammerfall is really running at 22K. > > > > Ok. I don't know what to make of that. > > Nor I. We need to figure this out. If the card is truly not running at > 44/48K then I suspect your mixer will give you no sound, as it seems > to be. > > > Maybe you can do something similar and see what you discover? > > Cheers, > Mark > BTW - You can always take the ADAT cable and connected it from the output back to an input, send audio out and then see if you can record audio coming back in. It's a simple test to make sure the Alsa/Hammerfall set up is actually working. If that fails the problem is in your Linux setup, or the ADAT cables. If it works then it's either in the mixer or an interface problem where the mixer and the Hammerfall are not somehow compatible. (Or how you've configured your mixer I suppose.... From smcameron at yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 14:08:40 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Wed Jun 21 14:09:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0606211055q23326e31x9c0928f70ff6b9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060621180840.68968.qmail@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark Krecht wrote: [snip] > BTW - You can always take the ADAT cable and connected it from the > output back to an input, send audio out and then see if you can record > audio coming back in. It's a simple test to make sure the > Alsa/Hammerfall set up is actually working. If that fails the problem > is in your Linux setup, or the ADAT cables. If it works then it's > either in the mixer or an interface problem where the mixer and the > Hammerfall are not somehow compatible. (Or how you've configured your > mixer I suppose.... Oh, now that's a good idea. I can probably do the same on the AW as well. Thanks. I found jackbitscope here, btw: http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~njl98r/code/ladspa/bitscope/ Thanks for that... I'll post what I find out tonight. -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Wed Jun 21 14:27:24 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Wed Jun 21 14:27:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1150914444.19404.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 09:59 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Jonny Stutters hat gesagt: // Jonny Stutters wrote: > > > The solution as I see it (and so this isn't a /completely/ negative rant > > ;) ) is more advocacy => more users => noticable difference to the > > bottom line of companies who don't supply quality (open-source where > > legally possible) Linux drivers. > > An important part of the solution also is to boycott vendors, who > don't provide specifications for the development of open source > drivers for their hardware. > > As long as people still buy NVidia chips, why should they change their > current position? Boycott by buying what? -DR- From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Wed Jun 21 14:31:04 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Wed Jun 21 14:31:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1150914664.19404.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 13:51 +0200, Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > Frank Barknecht wrote: > > Hallo, > > Jonny Stutters hat gesagt: // Jonny Stutters wrote: > > > > > >> The solution as I see it (and so this isn't a /completely/ negative rant > >> ;) ) is more advocacy => more users => noticable difference to the > >> bottom line of companies who don't supply quality (open-source where > >> legally possible) Linux drivers. > >> > > > > An important part of the solution also is to boycott vendors, who > > don't provide specifications for the development of open source > > drivers for their hardware. > > > > As long as people still buy NVidia chips, why should they change their > > current position? > > > But nvidia DOES offer decent (non-GPL, proprietary, binary) drivers. > > not that i am totally happy about that, but this is the best you can get. > > sure - nv's drivers do suck in some respect, but also the ati open > source drivers do. > and even if there were open source drivers - no one* would use them, if > the closed source drivers > bring better performance. > > Or would anyone of you really spent ¤ 280 for a 7800GT and use > (imaginatory) open source drivers > instead of just get the same performance from a ¤180 7600GT with closed > source drivers ? Yes, I would. Why do you think this operating system even exists in the first place? Because of people who just run whatever garbage proprietary software that's out there because "hey, it makes our games go faster"? Duh. -DR- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jun 21 14:35:26 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jun 21 14:35:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <1150914444.19404.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <1150914444.19404.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1150914927.2754.298.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 14:27 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 09:59 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > Hallo, > > Jonny Stutters hat gesagt: // Jonny Stutters wrote: > > > > > The solution as I see it (and so this isn't a /completely/ negative rant > > > ;) ) is more advocacy => more users => noticable difference to the > > > bottom line of companies who don't supply quality (open-source where > > > legally possible) Linux drivers. > > > > An important part of the solution also is to boycott vendors, who > > don't provide specifications for the development of open source > > drivers for their hardware. > > > > As long as people still buy NVidia chips, why should they change their > > current position? > > Boycott by buying what? Via or Intel. Yes it's not "high end" but most people on this list really don't need S3TC or whatever the hell it's called. This is linux-audio-user, not linux-gamer-fanboy. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jun 21 14:35:34 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jun 21 14:35:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <449980F1.8040101@woh.rr.com> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> <87wtbar2k5.fsf@esben-stien.name> <449968D6.2060404@gmx.de> <1150905776.2754.265.camel@mindpipe> <449980F1.8040101@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1150914934.2754.299.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 13:25 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > This topic should be entered in the LA* FAQ. However, the FAQ itself > is woefully out of date and needs repaired (Jazz++ is one of the "most > recommended" MIDI applications). Perhaps someone on this list could take > a little time off from their discourses here and work a bit on the FAQ ? > Not so much fun as the LAU list but potentially more valuable (i.e. it > might reach more people). At least then we could simply refer people to > the FAQ instead of rehashing the thread. It seems like this stuff changes too rapidly to be in an FAQ. The Nvidia situation has not changed in a while, but there's ongoing reverse engineering work on ATI cards. Lee From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Wed Jun 21 14:36:03 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Wed Jun 21 14:36:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060620202306.14515.qmail@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060620202306.14515.qmail@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1150914963.19404.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 13:23 -0700, R Parker wrote: > > --- Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 12:52 -0700, R Parker wrote: > > > I'd like the thing to > > > be OSS and licensed GPL so Lee Revel doesn't rip > > the > > > jewels from my body when I ask for help > > configuring > > > it. Of course the card you recommend is gonna work > > out > > > of the box so Lee would never know if I'm sleeping > > > with the devil... > > > > Wow. > > No! I meant it to be a joke and do prefer OSS and GPL > which is why I asked. > > Is my position on closed source drivers really > > considered > > extremist on this list? It's shared by about 95% of > > people on the > > kernel list. > > > > Sorry, I will shut up about it if it's such a big > > deal. > > It's a misunderstanding that's my fault. Your message > is solid as ever and my interest is evidence of your > effect. Please continue the good fight. > > What card should I buy? :) There are PCI-E versions of direct ancestors of the old Matro G400 cards, which once upon a time had open drivers (Matrox has since been putting Evil Inside(TM)). Unless you happen to be a kernel hacker I guess that's not much use to you, but the old AGP drivers could probably be ported to work with the PCI-E cards with some work. I could go for a nice 3* DVI out PCI-E card with open drivers :) -DR- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jun 21 14:37:17 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jun 21 14:37:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <1150914664.19404.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> <1150914664.19404.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1150915038.2754.301.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 14:31 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 13:51 +0200, Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > > > > Or would anyone of you really spent ? 280 for a 7800GT and use > > (imaginatory) open source drivers > > instead of just get the same performance from a ?180 7600GT with closed > > source drivers ? > > Yes, I would. > > Why do you think this operating system even exists in the first place? > Because of people who just run whatever garbage proprietary software > that's out there because "hey, it makes our games go faster"? Duh. Careful Dave, people will start calling you a "zealot" with that kind of crazy talk ;-) Lee From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Wed Jun 21 14:42:08 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Wed Jun 21 14:42:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <1150915038.2754.301.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> <1150914664.19404.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150915038.2754.301.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1150915328.19404.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 14:37 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 14:31 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 13:51 +0200, Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > > > > > > Or would anyone of you really spent ¤ 280 for a 7800GT and use > > > (imaginatory) open source drivers > > > instead of just get the same performance from a ¤180 7600GT with closed > > > source drivers ? > > > > Yes, I would. > > > > Why do you think this operating system even exists in the first place? > > Because of people who just run whatever garbage proprietary software > > that's out there because "hey, it makes our games go faster"? Duh. > > Careful Dave, people will start calling you a "zealot" with that kind of > crazy talk ;-) Well, if they go run Windows where they belong and stop actively advocating the destruction of our beloved operating system / movement, they can call me whatever they want. Deal? :) -DR- From _ at whats-your.name Wed Jun 21 15:00:39 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Wed Jun 21 15:00:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <1150915328.19404.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> <1150914664.19404.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150915038.2754.301.camel@mindpipe> <1150915328.19404.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060621190039.GE18792@replic.net> > actively > advocating the destruction of our beloved operating system / movement, > they can call me whatever they want. i am kind of hoping Apple ditches their crusty Mach beast and switches to freeBSD. it could solve a lot of the problems of driver support on a free OS, especially among nicer audio and video hardware..oh and maybe make me think about getting a Mac again... From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jun 21 15:18:28 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jun 21 15:18:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060621190039.GE18792@replic.net> References: <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <449932D2.6010800@gmx.de> <1150914664.19404.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150915038.2754.301.camel@mindpipe> <1150915328.19404.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060621190039.GE18792@replic.net> Message-ID: <1150917508.2754.312.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 19:00 +0000, carmen wrote: > > actively > > advocating the destruction of our beloved operating system / movement, > > they can call me whatever they want. > > > i am kind of hoping Apple ditches their crusty Mach beast and switches to freeBSD. it could solve a lot of the problems of driver support on a free OS, especially among nicer audio and video hardware..oh and maybe make me think about getting a Mac again... > How would this help the video driver situation? Lee From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Wed Jun 21 13:44:23 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Wed Jun 21 15:28:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060621143639.GG13600@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <"449864 9 6.5020807"@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44994EAD.3020109@prodigy.net.mx> <20060621143639.GG13600@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <44998577.4050300@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Frank Barknecht escribi?: > Hallo, > Gian Paolo Mureddu hat gesagt: // Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > >> I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the video card market is one heck >> of a vicious business, with not only rapid development cycles, but >> also a lot (and I mean a *LOT*) of cross licensed technology not to >> mention a billion-dollar industry. > > Note that NVidia is also not releasing specs (AFIAK) for their > mainboard chipsets. Onboard ethernet is not exactly superhightech. > > Ciao Actually, the nvnet driver is not present in the Linux "ForceWare" drivers for their mainboards. The reverse-entgineered forcedeth driver is much more efficient than that of Nvidia (which had to be built from source, by the way) consumes far less CPU and (in my case, anyway) reaches higher transfer rates. First hand experience with an nForce2 motherboard, revealed that I could reach full 100Mbps (and virtual no CPU usage) when transferring stuff to my file server where as I was able to go as high as 55-60Mbps with the nvnet driver (and over 30% CPU usage), so yeah, I'm 100% confident that the OpenSource drivers here at least are 200% better than the proprietary ones, to the point that the nvnet driver no longer is part of the "ForceWare", which is actually excellent! However for the video drivers, as was said in another post to this thread by Rob, nVidia and ATi are not releasing specs for their hardware for Open Source drivers due to incarnate battle over features, price and performance... I would have to assume that an Open Source driver initiative on at least the kernel end would be tremendously helpful to prevent lockups and ease debugging, not to mention that installing their binary X drivers would be much easier, after all the kernel module pretty much is only a bridge between the X driver and the hardware, the magic is done in the X driver, not the kernel gateway (or am I terribly wrong here?) Alas, I think that if either of the giant companies did fully open their drivers and specs, not only would they be doing the right thing?, but I believe it would be much easier to implement new capabilities to the cards. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEmYV3XM+XOp70dwoRAnA3AJ0W661IEoKO4PYTOwCb1mGfQZTzGACbBoSP fCnUIp35RzwGGlsJI5mt0Q0= =2u0V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lau at kudla.org Wed Jun 21 15:25:32 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Jun 21 15:40:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <1150914934.2754.299.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <449980F1.8040101@woh.rr.com> <1150914934.2754.299.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200606211525.33455.lau@kudla.org> On Wed June 21 2006 14:35, Lee Revell wrote: > > This topic should be entered in the LA* FAQ. However, the > > FAQ itself is woefully out of date and needs repaired > > (Jazz++ is one of the "most recommended" MIDI applications). > > Perhaps someone on this list could take a little time off > It seems like this stuff changes too rapidly to be in an FAQ. > The Nvidia situation has not changed in a while, but there's > ongoing reverse engineering work on ATI cards. I suggested this last time the outdated FAQ came up, but would it be possible to put the FAQ into a wiki? (One with write access on request, not "anyone can add Chinese porno link farms" access.) That would address both the "always outdated" and the "things moving too fast to update" problems. I don't even know where to find the FAQ.... google links me to http://linuxaudio.org/audio/lad/faq.php3 which is a 404. Rob From lau at kudla.org Wed Jun 21 15:39:45 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Jun 21 15:40:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060621190039.GE18792@replic.net> References: <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <1150915328.19404.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060621190039.GE18792@replic.net> Message-ID: <200606211539.47073.lau@kudla.org> On Wed June 21 2006 15:00, carmen wrote: > i am kind of hoping Apple ditches their crusty Mach beast and > switches to freeBSD. it could solve a lot of the problems of > driver support on a free OS, especially among nicer audio and > video hardware..oh and maybe make me think about getting a Mac > again... Of course, Apple hasn't been releasing its kernel source since switching to Intel, and there's no reason they'd necessarily start releasing it again after a switch to FreeBSD.... which could negate the benefits to the free software world of them using BSD to begin with. They're entitled to keep it all to themselves by the terms of the license. Anyway, Mach/Darwin being open source previously never helped free software developers to add support for the Radeon or Geforce chipsets used for video in PPC Macs, so I don't have a lot of hope for that whole theory in the first place. Rob From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jun 21 15:52:49 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jun 21 15:52:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <44998577.4050300@prodigy.net.mx> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <"449864 9 6.5020807"@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44994EAD.3020109@prodigy.net.mx> <20060621143639.GG13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44998577.4050300@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <1150919570.2754.320.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 12:44 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > However for the video drivers, as was said in another post to this > thread by Rob, nVidia and ATi are not releasing specs for their > hardware for Open Source drivers due to incarnate battle over > features, price and performance... I would have to assume that an Open > Source driver initiative on at least the kernel end would be > tremendously helpful to prevent lockups and ease debugging, not to > mention that installing their binary X drivers would be much easier, > after all the kernel module pretty much is only a bridge between the X > driver and the hardware, the magic is done in the X driver, not the > kernel gateway (or am I terribly wrong here?) Unfortunately you are wrong. The nvidia kernel module contains a full OpenGL implementation :-P Lee From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Jun 21 16:05:38 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Jun 21 15:55:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <200606211525.33455.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <449980F1.8040101@woh.rr.com> <1150914934.2754.299.camel@mindpipe> <200606211525.33455.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <4499A692.6090808@woh.rr.com> Rob wrote: >I don't even know where to find the FAQ.... google links me to >http://linuxaudio.org/audio/lad/faq.php3 which is a 404. > > http://lad.linuxaudio.org/faq.php Linked from http://lad.linuxaudio.org/subscribelau.php Best, dp From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jun 21 15:56:01 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jun 21 15:56:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <200606211525.33455.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <449980F1.8040101@woh.rr.com> <1150914934.2754.299.camel@mindpipe> <200606211525.33455.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1150919762.2754.324.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 15:25 -0400, Rob wrote: > On Wed June 21 2006 14:35, Lee Revell wrote: > > > This topic should be entered in the LA* FAQ. However, the > > > FAQ itself is woefully out of date and needs repaired > > > (Jazz++ is one of the "most recommended" MIDI applications). > > > Perhaps someone on this list could take a little time off > > It seems like this stuff changes too rapidly to be in an FAQ. > > The Nvidia situation has not changed in a while, but there's > > ongoing reverse engineering work on ATI cards. > > I suggested this last time the outdated FAQ came up, but would it > be possible to put the FAQ into a wiki? (One with write access > on request, not "anyone can add Chinese porno link farms" > access.) That would address both the "always outdated" and the > "things moving too fast to update" problems. > > I don't even know where to find the FAQ.... google links me to > http://linuxaudio.org/audio/lad/faq.php3 which is a 404. I don't like Wikis because they tends to fill up with outdated or flat out wrong information (see the ALSA wiki for an example). People love to post their half baked advice, but they never take it down when it becomes obsolete. We still have zillions of users who think they need to create an .asoundrc to make ALSA work and they all end up copying the same one without any idea what it does or whether it's needed. Lee From seablaede at gmail.com Wed Jun 21 17:06:20 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Wed Jun 21 16:02:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <200606211525.33455.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <449980F1.8040101@woh.rr.com> <1150914934.2754.299.camel@mindpipe> <200606211525.33455.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <4499B4CC.6010203@gmail.com> > I suggested this last time the outdated FAQ came up, but would it > be possible to put the FAQ into a wiki? (One with write access > on request, not "anyone can add Chinese porno link farms" > access.) That would address both the "always outdated" and the > "things moving too fast to update" problems. > Heh I was working on that myself, unfortuantly I had to take it down when my host went through a platform switch and it broke it, hopefully soon I will have time to rebuild it again though, I can go ahead and put up the Wiki again though if others want to tackle it in the meantime, I am just a bit busy at the moment to do it myself. Seablade From tdhoward at gmail.com Wed Jun 21 16:16:23 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Wed Jun 21 16:16:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? Message-ID: On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 14:42:08 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 14:37 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 14:31 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 13:51 +0200, Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > > > > > > > > Or would anyone of you really spent ? 280 for a 7800GT and use > > > > (imaginatory) open source drivers > > > > instead of just get the same performance from a ?180 7600GT with closed > > > > source drivers ? > > > > > > Yes, I would. > > > > > > Why do you think this operating system even exists in the first place? > > > Because of people who just run whatever garbage proprietary software > > > that's out there because "hey, it makes our games go faster"? Duh. > > > > Careful Dave, people will start calling you a "zealot" with that kind of > > crazy talk ;-) > > Well, if they go run Windows where they belong and stop actively > advocating the destruction of our beloved operating system / movement, > they can call me whatever they want. > > Deal? :) > > -DR- IMHO, this mindset is the result of people not truly understanding why we say, "free as in free speech, not free as in free beer." The reason some people are using Linux is for the "beer" aspect... and they just ignore how we came to even have Linux in the first place. -TimH From domain.admin at online.ie Wed Jun 21 16:30:47 2006 From: domain.admin at online.ie (Hiram Abiff) Date: Wed Jun 21 16:31:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RT and Jack problems In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0606191259t6fdf09f7m9f53444e8c007dd1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060619205136.f5vwque6g4wc48gc@mail.online.ie> <5bdc1c8b0606191259t6fdf09f7m9f53444e8c007dd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060621223047.fdlnbrhm5cc4sk04@mail.online.ie> Quoting Mark Knecht : > Hiram, > There are a few things to discover: > > 1) Are you running Jack as root or a user? > > - First, try running Jack as root and see if these problems go away. > Gru? Dich, Mark I tried running it as root, works great. > 2) Assuming you run as root without problems then the issue here is > probably one of permissions. However it is not /dev/rtc that needs to > be changed. Infact, nothing in /dev should be changed for this to > work. You either need to install the realtime-lsm package, create a > realtime group, add yourself to that group, and then load the realtime > module telling it to grant realtime permissions to that group. For > this to work you need a kernel with Linux Capabilities enabled in the > security section of the .config file. I recompiled my kernel with the required module, I created a realtime group, added my user to it and loaded the module. lsmod reports it's loaded. However, I still get the same error messages when running muse. :( I also noticed that when running qsampler with ALSA output, not JACK, I get this in the messages window: 22:30:07.751 Channel 0 Some channel settings could not be set. Sorry. Thread: WARNING, can't assign realtime scheduling to thread!: Operation not permitted Thread: WARNING, can't mlockall() memory!: Cannot allocate memory > > Alternatively there is a PAM based solution to this that is newer but > I haven't used it. > > Hope this helps, > Mark > It does. Hiram. -- http://www.egoboobits.net/HiramAbiff From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jun 21 16:45:53 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jun 21 16:46:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RT and Jack problems In-Reply-To: <20060621223047.fdlnbrhm5cc4sk04@mail.online.ie> References: <20060619205136.f5vwque6g4wc48gc@mail.online.ie> <5bdc1c8b0606191259t6fdf09f7m9f53444e8c007dd1@mail.gmail.com> <20060621223047.fdlnbrhm5cc4sk04@mail.online.ie> Message-ID: <1150922753.2754.341.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 22:30 +0200, Hiram Abiff wrote: > Quoting Mark Knecht : > > > Hiram, > > There are a few things to discover: > > > > 1) Are you running Jack as root or a user? > > > > - First, try running Jack as root and see if these problems go away. > > > Gru? Dich, Mark > I tried running it as root, works great. > > > 2) Assuming you run as root without problems then the issue here is > > probably one of permissions. However it is not /dev/rtc that needs to > > be changed. Infact, nothing in /dev should be changed for this to > > work. You either need to install the realtime-lsm package, create a > > realtime group, add yourself to that group, and then load the realtime > > module telling it to grant realtime permissions to that group. For > > this to work you need a kernel with Linux Capabilities enabled in the > > security section of the .config file. > > I recompiled my kernel with the required module, I created a realtime > group, added my user to it and loaded the module. lsmod reports > it's loaded. However, I still get the same error messages when running > muse. :( > > I also noticed that when running qsampler with ALSA output, not JACK, > I get this in the messages window: > > 22:30:07.751 Channel 0 Some channel settings could not be set. Sorry. > Thread: WARNING, can't assign realtime scheduling to thread!: Operation > not permitted > Thread: WARNING, can't mlockall() memory!: Cannot allocate memory > How did you load the realtime module? You have to do "modprobe realtime gid=$FOO" where $FOO is the number of your realtime group. Also, you must log out and log back in for changes in group membership to take effect. Lee > > > > Alternatively there is a PAM based solution to this that is newer but > > I haven't used it. > > > > Hope this helps, > > Mark > > > > It does. > > Hiram. > From domain.admin at online.ie Wed Jun 21 16:51:09 2006 From: domain.admin at online.ie (Hiram Abiff) Date: Wed Jun 21 16:51:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: RT and Jack problems Message-ID: <20060621225109.cpc937h4w0ws0gco@mail.online.ie> Quoting Lee Revell : > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 03:03 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: >> As far as I know MusE authors admit to it being rather unstable, so this >> might be the reason. >> I am quite satisified with it, it gets better with each release and am hoping to see v1.0 soon. >> I know setting the muse exectutable 'setuid' works, however I would >> recommend simply using seq24 for MIDI and Ardour for Audio (MIDI support >> for Ardour is coming up). > > No, the reason is that his setup does not support non-root realtime. > Just use the realtime LSM. > > Lee > > Realtime module is loaded but the problem persists. Hiram. -- http://www.egoboobits.net/HiramAbiff From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Jun 21 17:34:13 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Jun 21 17:34:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RT and Jack problems In-Reply-To: <20060621223047.fdlnbrhm5cc4sk04@mail.online.ie> References: <20060619205136.f5vwque6g4wc48gc@mail.online.ie> <5bdc1c8b0606191259t6fdf09f7m9f53444e8c007dd1@mail.gmail.com> <20060621223047.fdlnbrhm5cc4sk04@mail.online.ie> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606211434h753dc86dm232241128226207c@mail.gmail.com> On 6/21/06, Hiram Abiff wrote: > Quoting Mark Knecht : > > > Hiram, > > There are a few things to discover: > > > > 1) Are you running Jack as root or a user? > > > > - First, try running Jack as root and see if these problems go away. > > > Gru? Dich, Mark > I tried running it as root, works great. > > > I recompiled my kernel with the required module, I created a realtime > group, added my user to it and loaded the module. lsmod reports > it's loaded. However, I still get the same error messages when running > muse. :( > It may be the way you are loading the realtime module. Here's how I do it at boot time on my Gentoo box in /etc/modules.autoload/kernel-2.6: realtime gid=600 any=1 and here is how I set up my group: mark@lightning ~ $ cat /etc/group | grep realtime realtime:x:600:mark mark@lightning ~ $ Nothing more than that and I work fine. lightning ~ # modinfo realtime filename: /lib/modules/2.6.17-rt1/extra/realtime.ko license: GPL description: Realtime Capabilities Security Module vermagic: 2.6.17-rt1 preempt mod_unload gcc-3.4 license: GPL description: Standard Linux Common Capabilities Security Module depends: vermagic: 2.6.17-rt1 preempt mod_unload gcc-3.4 parm: any: grant realtime privileges to any process. (int) parm: gid: the group ID with access to realtime privileges. (int) parm: mlock: enable memory locking privileges. (int) lightning ~ # Hope this helps, Mark And here is houw I From fbar at footils.org Wed Jun 21 18:21:07 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Jun 21 18:21:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <1150914927.2754.298.camel@mindpipe> References: <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <1150914444.19404.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150914927.2754.298.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060621222106.GJ13600@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 14:27 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: > > Boycott by buying what? > > Via or Intel. Yes it's not "high end" but most people on this list > really don't need S3TC or whatever the hell it's called. This is > linux-audio-user, not linux-gamer-fanboy. Or an old and gold Matrox G450, if you still can use AGP or PCI. These are perfect cards for a Linux audio machine, and you almost get them for free on *bay. Their 3D performance is okay for Quake 3 Arena. Also superhighendthreedeegraphicshardandsoftware can degrade audio performance in various ways, depending on the system, its drivers etc.. Currently Creative is fighting that issue btw., see http://xfi.blogspot.com/2006/05/crackling-and-popping-x-fi.html for some funny reading. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jun 21 18:45:22 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jun 21 18:45:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060621222106.GJ13600@fliwatut.scifi> References: <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> <1150835210.15826.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44986496.5020807@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <5bdc1c8b0606201722x6d8bb304nf7d69e6d6ff6cd53@mail.gmail.com> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <1150914444.19404.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1150914927.2754.298.camel@mindpipe> <20060621222106.GJ13600@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1150929923.2754.365.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 00:21 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Also superhighendthreedeegraphicshardandsoftware can degrade audio > performance in various ways, depending on the system, its drivers > etc.. > Currently Creative is fighting that issue btw., see > http://xfi.blogspot.com/2006/05/crackling-and-popping-x-fi.html for > some funny reading. Bwahahaha. They've been struggling with that since the first emu10k1 devices came out - about 10 years now ;-) Yet another reason that open source drivers are technically superior - vendors (especially video card vendors but it's also been seen with high bandwidth disk controllers) do rude things like hog the bus in order to get better Winbench scores. I found a problem like this with the open source VIA Xorg driver and it was quickly fixed by the developer. With closed drivers you're at the mercy of the vendor. Lee From rtp405 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 19:26:21 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Wed Jun 21 19:26:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060621222106.GJ13600@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060621232621.84724.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 14:27 -0400, Dave Robillard > wrote: > > > Boycott by buying what? > > > > Via or Intel. Yes it's not "high end" but most > people on this list > > really don't need S3TC or whatever the hell it's > called. This is > > linux-audio-user, not linux-gamer-fanboy. > > Or an old and gold Matrox G450, The G400 requires mga_hal which is a binary and blah, freakin blah. Link S. dropped his G400 buy the studio for me to try out. I think the G450 is a solid buy for technical and usability requirements. It's said to run out of the box and with dual monitor support at that. I'm gonna go find one. Ron if you still can use > AGP or PCI. These > are perfect cards for a Linux audio machine, and you > almost get them > for free on *bay. Their 3D performance is okay for > Quake 3 Arena. > > Also superhighendthreedeegraphicshardandsoftware can > degrade audio > performance in various ways, depending on the > system, its drivers etc.. > Currently Creative is fighting that issue btw., see > http://xfi.blogspot.com/2006/05/crackling-and-popping-x-fi.html > for > some funny reading. > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ > ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From illth at gmx.de Wed Jun 21 20:47:59 2006 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Wed Jun 21 20:48:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <1150919570.2754.320.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <"449864 9 6.5020807"@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44994EAD.3020109@prodigy.net.mx> <20060621143639.GG13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44998577.4050300@prodigy.net.mx> <1150919570.2754.320.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4499E8BF.9010107@gmx.de> Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 12:44 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > >> However for the video drivers, as was said in another post to this >> thread by Rob, nVidia and ATi are not releasing specs for their >> hardware for Open Source drivers due to incarnate battle over >> features, price and performance... I would have to assume that an Open >> Source driver initiative on at least the kernel end would be >> tremendously helpful to prevent lockups and ease debugging, not to >> mention that installing their binary X drivers would be much easier, >> after all the kernel module pretty much is only a bridge between the X >> driver and the hardware, the magic is done in the X driver, not the >> kernel gateway (or am I terribly wrong here?) >> > > Unfortunately you are wrong. The nvidia kernel module contains a full > OpenGL implementation :-P > at least the file sizes imply that you are right. i can guess why they have put it in there ... but this does change the light in which the driver shines ... > Lee > > > From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Wed Jun 21 21:08:24 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Wed Jun 21 21:08:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <44998577.4050300@prodigy.net.mx> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <"449864 9 6.5020807"@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44994EAD.3020109@prodigy.net.mx> <20060621143639.GG13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44998577.4050300@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <1150938504.19554.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 12:44 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Frank Barknecht escribi?: > > Hallo, > > Gian Paolo Mureddu hat gesagt: // Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > > > >> I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the video card market is one heck > >> of a vicious business, with not only rapid development cycles, but > >> also a lot (and I mean a *LOT*) of cross licensed technology not to > >> mention a billion-dollar industry. > > > > Note that NVidia is also not releasing specs (AFIAK) for their > > mainboard chipsets. Onboard ethernet is not exactly superhightech. > > > > Ciao > Actually, the nvnet driver is not present in the Linux "ForceWare" > drivers for their mainboards. The reverse-entgineered forcedeth driver > is much more efficient than that of Nvidia (which had to be built from > source, by the way) consumes far less CPU and (in my case, anyway) > reaches higher transfer rates. First hand experience with an nForce2 > motherboard, revealed that I could reach full 100Mbps (and virtual no > CPU usage) when transferring stuff to my file server where as I was > able to go as high as 55-60Mbps with the nvnet driver (and over 30% > CPU usage), so yeah, I'm 100% confident that the OpenSource drivers > here at least are 200% better than the proprietary ones, to the point > that the nvnet driver no longer is part of the "ForceWare", which is > actually excellent! > > However for the video drivers, as was said in another post to this > thread by Rob, nVidia and ATi are not releasing specs for their > hardware for Open Source drivers due to incarnate battle over > features, price and performance... I would have to assume that an Open > Source driver initiative on at least the kernel end would be > tremendously helpful to prevent lockups and ease debugging, not to > mention that installing their binary X drivers would be much easier, > after all the kernel module pretty much is only a bridge between the X > driver and the hardware, the magic is done in the X driver, not the > kernel gateway (or am I terribly wrong here?) > > Alas, I think that if either of the giant companies did fully open > their drivers and specs, not only would they be doing the right > thing?, but I believe it would be much easier to implement new > capabilities to the cards. There's absolutely no question that keeping specs and drivers proprietary has a negative effect on the quality of the drivers (and by extension the hardware, in user's eyes). Obvious, really. It's an interesting phenomenon when you get people cheering on the companies that are screwing them over, and defending the very practices they do it by :/ Teh gamar fanboys will be fanboys I guess. -DR- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jun 21 21:18:32 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jun 21 21:18:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <4499E8BF.9010107@gmx.de> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <"449864 9 6.5020807"@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44994EAD.3020109@prodigy.net.mx> <20060621143639.GG13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44998577.4050300@prodigy.net.mx> <1150919570.2754.320.camel@mindpipe> <4499E8BF.9010107@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1150939112.2754.387.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 02:47 +0200, Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 12:44 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > > > >> However for the video drivers, as was said in another post to this > >> thread by Rob, nVidia and ATi are not releasing specs for their > >> hardware for Open Source drivers due to incarnate battle over > >> features, price and performance... I would have to assume that an Open > >> Source driver initiative on at least the kernel end would be > >> tremendously helpful to prevent lockups and ease debugging, not to > >> mention that installing their binary X drivers would be much easier, > >> after all the kernel module pretty much is only a bridge between the X > >> driver and the hardware, the magic is done in the X driver, not the > >> kernel gateway (or am I terribly wrong here?) > >> > > > > Unfortunately you are wrong. The nvidia kernel module contains a full > > OpenGL implementation :-P > > > at least the file sizes imply that you are right. > > i can guess why they have put it in there ... > but this does change the light in which the driver shines ... They put it in there because on Windows, vendors are free to put any damn thing in a kernel driver (I've seen Windows drivers that contain a full AC3 decoder that uses floating point math), and their legal strategy to get around the GPL is to make the Linux nvidia driver a GPL wrapper around the same binary blob the Windows driver uses. This way it can't be considered a derivative work of the kernel and thus the GPL does not require them to make the source available. (Disclaimer: IANAL, this is all hearsay and certainly has not been tested in court) If you run strings on nvidia.o you can see HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE in there :-P Lee From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Wed Jun 21 22:06:11 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Wed Jun 21 22:06:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060622011857.A6D171E20C1C@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060622011857.A6D171E20C1C@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Ron: >> Hallo, >> Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: >> >> > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 14:27 -0400, Dave Robillard >> wrote: >> > > Boycott by buying what? >> > >> > Via or Intel. Yes it's not "high end" but most >> people on this list >> > really don't need S3TC or whatever the hell it's >> called. This is >> > linux-audio-user, not linux-gamer-fanboy. >> >> Or an old and gold Matrox G450, > >The G400 requires mga_hal which is a binary and blah, >freakin blah. Link S. dropped his G400 buy the studio >for me to try out. I think the G450 is a solid buy for >technical and usability requirements. It's said to run >out of the box and with dual monitor support at that. >I'm gonna go find one. Regarding matrox, heres my experiences with graphics cards on linux for audio use, posted half year ago: http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2005/12/0476.html Theres a typo there though: "Matrox 400+500" is supposed to be "Matrox 450+550". I'm afraid of those cards. They made my machines behave strangely, hanging, lots of cpu use. It might work for you though, but none of mine have been very pleasant, neither in windows or linux. You can find similar experiences on the net, you should search a bit. From _ at whats-your.name Wed Jun 21 22:17:02 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Wed Jun 21 22:17:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: References: <20060622011857.A6D171E20C1C@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060622021702.GI18792@replic.net> > Theres a typo there though: "Matrox 400+500" is supposed to > be "Matrox 450+550". I'm afraid of those cards. They > made my machines behave strangely, hanging, lots of cpu use. i had one of these in 2001, driving a dual setup. there were ghosts of the second screen on the first. and oddly, it was a ghost of the VGA screen on the DVI screen (at the time, the cards didnt have DVI, but they had this addon bridge thing which was unshielded pins to another connector on a second pci slot). the bottom line is, the signal quality was questionable, and the cards are massively obsolete. From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Wed Jun 21 22:48:48 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Wed Jun 21 22:48:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060622021702.GI18792@replic.net> References: <20060622011857.A6D171E20C1C@music.columbia.edu> <20060622021702.GI18792@replic.net> Message-ID: <1150944528.19554.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 02:17 +0000, carmen wrote: > > Theres a typo there though: "Matrox 400+500" is supposed to > > be "Matrox 450+550". I'm afraid of those cards. They > > made my machines behave strangely, hanging, lots of cpu use. > > i had one of these in 2001, driving a dual setup. there were ghosts of > the second screen on the first. and oddly, it was a ghost of the VGA > screen on the DVI screen (at the time, the cards didnt have DVI, but > they had this addon bridge thing which was unshielded pins to another > connector on a second pci slot). the bottom line is, the signal > quality was questionable, and the cards are massively obsolete. I'd chalk that up to the weird DVI thingy. My G400 has (had, at least) the best analog output quality of any card I compared it against (3dfx, ati, nvidia offerings at the time) They might be "obsolete", but if there were free drivers for it, I would probably be the proud new owner of a dual DVI G*** right now. -DR- From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Thu Jun 22 00:24:29 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu Jun 22 00:26:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <200606211525.33455.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <449980F1.8040101@woh.rr.com> <1150914934.2754.299.camel@mindpipe> <200606211525.33455.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <449A1B7D.1000006@boosthardware.com> Rob wrote: > On Wed June 21 2006 14:35, Lee Revell wrote: >>> This topic should be entered in the LA* FAQ. However, the >>> FAQ itself is woefully out of date and needs repaired >>> (Jazz++ is one of the "most recommended" MIDI applications). >>> Perhaps someone on this list could take a little time off >> It seems like this stuff changes too rapidly to be in an FAQ. >> The Nvidia situation has not changed in a while, but there's >> ongoing reverse engineering work on ATI cards. > > I suggested this last time the outdated FAQ came up, but would it > be possible to put the FAQ into a wiki? (One with write access > on request, not "anyone can add Chinese porno link farms" > access.) That would address both the "always outdated" and the > "things moving too fast to update" problems. > > I don't even know where to find the FAQ.... google links me to > http://linuxaudio.org/audio/lad/faq.php3 which is a 404. > > Rob > I can set up a wiki for the faq at linuxaudio.org Any suggestions for the software to use? Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From steve at hassard.net Thu Jun 22 00:29:18 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Thu Jun 22 00:29:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <449A1B7D.1000006@boosthardware.com> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <449980F1.8040101@woh.rr.com> <1150914934.2754.299.camel@mindpipe> <200606211525.33455.lau@kudla.org> <449A1B7D.1000006@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <449A1C9E.3030407@hassard.net> Patrick Shirkey wrote: > I can set up a wiki for the faq at linuxaudio.org > > Any suggestions for the software to use? Definitely take a look at mediawiki: http://www.mediawiki.org/ It's definitely one of the more robust solutions around. later, Steve From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Jun 22 00:32:11 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Jun 22 00:32:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <449A1C9E.3030407@hassard.net> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <449980F1.8040101@woh.rr.com> <1150914934.2754.299.camel@mindpipe> <200606211525.33455.lau@kudla.org> <449A1B7D.1000006@boosthardware.com> <449A1C9E.3030407@hassard.net> Message-ID: <1150950731.2235.2.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 21:29 -0700, Stephen Hassard wrote: > Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > I can set up a wiki for the faq at linuxaudio.org > > > > Any suggestions for the software to use? > > Definitely take a look at mediawiki: http://www.mediawiki.org/ > > It's definitely one of the more robust solutions around. I like the idea of making a master Linux audio page at Wikipedia, and just put a brief description and links to all the community resources. I think Google weights wikipedia pages pretty well so it would be a nice place to point newbies. Lee From glauberalex at uol.com.br Wed Jun 21 22:49:58 2006 From: glauberalex at uol.com.br (glauber alex dias prado) Date: Thu Jun 22 00:46:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1150944598.19021.3.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 13:16 -0700, Tim Howard wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 14:42:08 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 14:37 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 14:31 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 13:51 +0200, Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Or would anyone of you really spent ? 280 for a 7800GT and use > > > > > (imaginatory) open source drivers > > > > > instead of just get the same performance from a ?180 7600GT with closed > > > > > source drivers ? > > > > > > > > Yes, I would. > > > > > > > > Why do you think this operating system even exists in the first place? > > > > Because of people who just run whatever garbage proprietary software > > > > that's out there because "hey, it makes our games go faster"? Duh. > > > > > > Careful Dave, people will start calling you a "zealot" with that kind of > > > crazy talk ;-) > > > > Well, if they go run Windows where they belong and stop actively > > advocating the destruction of our beloved operating system / movement, > > they can call me whatever they want. > > > > Deal? :) > > > > -DR- > > IMHO, this mindset is the result of people not truly understanding why > we say, "free as in free speech, not free as in free beer." The > reason some people are using Linux is for the "beer" aspect... and > they just ignore how we came to even have Linux in the first place. > > -TimH i prefer to say free as the air, it feats better From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Thu Jun 22 00:44:55 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu Jun 22 00:47:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <1150950731.2235.2.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <449980F1.8040101@woh.rr.com> <1150914934.2754.299.camel@mindpipe> <200606211525.33455.lau@kudla.org> <449A1B7D.1000006@boosthardware.com> <449A1C9E.3030407@hassard.net> <1150950731.2235.2.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <449A2047.2000009@boosthardware.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 21:29 -0700, Stephen Hassard wrote: >> Patrick Shirkey wrote: >>> I can set up a wiki for the faq at linuxaudio.org >>> >>> Any suggestions for the software to use? >> Definitely take a look at mediawiki: http://www.mediawiki.org/ >> >> It's definitely one of the more robust solutions around. > > I like the idea of making a master Linux audio page at Wikipedia, and > just put a brief description and links to all the community resources. > I think Google weights wikipedia pages pretty well so it would be a nice > place to point newbies. > If there isn't a wikipedia page for linux Audio then someone should make it... I will install mediawiki (it was developed for wikipedia) but.. I don't have time to skin it so after I have installed it we should have a design round for the layout, colors etc... Obviously other peeps will have to add the content and keep it up to date too. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Jun 22 01:02:46 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Jun 22 01:03:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <449A2047.2000009@boosthardware.com> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <449980F1.8040101@woh.rr.com> <1150914934.2754.299.camel@mindpipe> <200606211525.33455.lau@kudla.org> <449A1B7D.1000006@boosthardware.com> <449A1C9E.3030407@hassard.net> <1150950731.2235.2.camel@mindpipe> <449A2047.2000009@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: On 6/22/06, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 21:29 -0700, Stephen Hassard wrote: > >> Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >>> I can set up a wiki for the faq at linuxaudio.org > >>> > >>> Any suggestions for the software to use? > >> Definitely take a look at mediawiki: http://www.mediawiki.org/ > >> > >> It's definitely one of the more robust solutions around. > > > > I like the idea of making a master Linux audio page at Wikipedia, and > > just put a brief description and links to all the community resources. > > I think Google weights wikipedia pages pretty well so it would be a nice > > place to point newbies. > > > > If there isn't a wikipedia page for linux Audio then someone should make > it... > > I will install mediawiki (it was developed for wikipedia) but.. I don't > have time to skin it so after I have installed it we should have a > design round for the layout, colors etc... > > Obviously other peeps will have to add the content and keep it up to > date too. > hopefully we can migrate as much other current info there as possible. Especially the handy stuff that used to be on tapas's wiki. Wasn't there a project to migrate dave's linux sound pages to some kind of wiki? Loki From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Thu Jun 22 01:15:32 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Thu Jun 22 01:11:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <1150919570.2754.320.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <"449864 9 6.5020807"@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44994EAD.3020109@prodigy.net.mx> <20060621143639.GG13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44998577.4050300@prodigy.net.mx> <1150919570.2754.320.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <449A2774.1050604@prodigy.net.mx> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lee Revell escribi?: > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 12:44 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: >> However for the video drivers, as was said in another post to this >> thread by Rob, nVidia and ATi are not releasing specs for their >> hardware for Open Source drivers due to incarnate battle over >> features, price and performance... I would have to assume that an Open >> Source driver initiative on at least the kernel end would be >> tremendously helpful to prevent lockups and ease debugging, not to >> mention that installing their binary X drivers would be much easier, >> after all the kernel module pretty much is only a bridge between the X >> driver and the hardware, the magic is done in the X driver, not the >> kernel gateway (or am I terribly wrong here?) > > Unfortunately you are wrong. The nvidia kernel module contains a full > OpenGL implementation :-P > > Lee > > So virtually what they are doing is simply recycle their Windows GL drivers for Linux...? I'm not that convinced, though, as they what is implemented in their GL library (which is fairly large too) and their nvidia X driver... If all was done in kernel space, couldn't they use the nv driver as well as the "X Glue"? (only guessing here, I have no experience whatsoever with kernel driver development) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEmid0XM+XOp70dwoRAhB0AJ9nilTa74gmFO8CQERALBnfBucjKQCeLQeC cgq1jlSQQa8nHgzAxNAmt0Y= =VIXv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Thu Jun 22 01:54:36 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu Jun 22 01:56:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <449A2774.1050604@prodigy.net.mx> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <"449864 9 6.5020807"@hassard.net> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44994EAD.3020109@prodigy.net.mx> <20060621143639.GG13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44998577.4050300@prodigy.net.mx> <1150919570.2754.320.camel@mindpipe> <449A2774.1050604@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <449A309C.2080501@boosthardware.com> Hi, The new LAU wiki FAQ is now up at: http://lau.linuxaudio.org/faq - If you want to be an admin/content manager please sign up for an account. - We will also need a nice new LAU theme skin. If you are interested in creating one please send .jpg screenshot mockups to the list. We will have a vote when/if there are some versions to choose from. If you need a place to host your screenshots on the web then send me a mail and I will organise it. Alright den. Av at it! Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From lau at kudla.org Thu Jun 22 02:16:47 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Jun 22 02:18:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <449A1B7D.1000006@boosthardware.com> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200606211525.33455.lau@kudla.org> <449A1B7D.1000006@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <200606220216.47479.lau@kudla.org> On Thu June 22 2006 00:24, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > I suggested this last time the outdated FAQ came up, but > > would it be possible to put the FAQ into a wiki? (One with > I can set up a wiki for the faq at linuxaudio.org > Any suggestions for the software to use? With all the 0-day exploits for TWiki vulnerabilities over the last year (some of which affected a wiki I was running for another free software project, allowing a ton of spam), I'm a MediaWiki proponent at this point. I've only done a little experimenting with MediaWiki and am neck deep in 2 work projects or I'd have already set one up. Rob From ardour at semiosix.com Thu Jun 22 02:27:25 2006 From: ardour at semiosix.com (John Anderson) Date: Thu Jun 22 02:27:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fmit weirdness Message-ID: <1150957646.19753.90.camel@groovious> I'm having weirdness with fmit (0.96.x) - it will only recognise A notes, and occasionally B notes. Is anyone else finding this? bye John From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Jun 22 03:02:58 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Jun 22 03:03:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: fmit weirdness In-Reply-To: <1150957646.19753.90.camel@groovious> References: <1150957646.19753.90.camel@groovious> Message-ID: On 6/22/06, John Anderson wrote: > I'm having weirdness with fmit (0.96.x) - it will only recognise A > notes, and occasionally B notes. > > Is anyone else finding this? > > bye > John I found tuneroid to be the only tuner i could get to work easily/well. Though i didn't try to hard and have a preference to gui's ;) It actually builds unlike so many of the other (unmaintained) gui tuners. http://zyzstar.kosoru.com/?tuneroid Loki From tito at rumford.de Thu Jun 22 03:21:41 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Thu Jun 22 03:20:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <20060621180840.68968.qmail@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060621180840.68968.qmail@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200606220921.41581.tito@rumford.de> Wednesday 21 June 2006 20:08, Stephen Cameron: > I found jackbitscope here, btw: > http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~njl98r/code/ladspa/bitscope/ For the record: The author moved the page to http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~njl98r/code/audio/ and renamed jackbitscope to "bitmeter". Great tool. From fbar at footils.org Thu Jun 22 04:16:30 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Jun 22 04:16:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: References: <20060622011857.A6D171E20C1C@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060622081630.GM13600@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Kjetil S. Matheussen hat gesagt: // Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > Ron: > >The G400 requires mga_hal which is a binary and blah, > >freakin blah. I don't think it requires any binary driver. I had a G400 before the G450, which I'm using for about two years now, and even with that I've never installed any binary-only module, just plain xfree86 (now xorg). > Regarding matrox, heres my experiences with graphics cards > on linux for audio use, posted half year ago: > http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2005/12/0476.html > Theres a typo there though: "Matrox 400+500" is supposed to > be "Matrox 450+550". I'm afraid of those cards. They > made my machines behave strangely, hanging, lots of cpu use. > It might work for you though, but none of mine have been > very pleasant, neither in windows or linux. You can find similar > experiences on the net, you should search a bit. Well, YMMV. ;) If you search a bit, you will also find opposite experiences. For example, if you search the old Sound on Sound forum for "matrox" you will find threads like this: http://tinyurl.com/ffatc or this: http://tinyurl.com/qwatg (Windows users) I think, as you get them for about 10 Euro or less, trying a Matrox card is worth it. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Jun 22 06:34:24 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Jun 22 06:24:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <449980F1.8040101@woh.rr.com> <1150914934.2754.299.camel@mindpipe> <200606211525.33455.lau@kudla.org> <449A1B7D.1000006@boosthardware.com> <449A1C9E.3030407@hassard.net> <1150950731.2235.2.camel@mindpipe> <449A2047.2000009@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <449A7230.8080801@woh.rr.com> Loki Davison wrote: > hopefully we can migrate as much other current info there as possible. > Especially the handy stuff that used to be on tapas's wiki. Wasn't > there a project to migrate dave's linux sound pages to some kind of > wiki? There's always someone who's going to improve and replace the linux-sound.org site, usually with my blessings upon their efforts. And to date exactly 000,000,000 people have succeeded and actually completed their replacement projects. It's considerably more labor than first appears. The community doesn't want to make the effort, and why should they if the original pages serve the purpose ? I've stopped caring about it, and I really don't concern myself with it anymore beyond the minimum update schedule. I'll support the soundapps pages for as long as I feel like it, then someday I'll post a "tetelestai" here and that will be the end of it until someone else revives it. IIRC linuxaudio.org has plans for an "all-in-one" Linux audio portal. It might be nice to have some coordination between the LAU plans and those of linuxaudio.org. Best, dp From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Thu Jun 22 07:12:27 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu Jun 22 07:13:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <449A7230.8080801@woh.rr.com> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <449980F1.8040101@woh.rr.com> <1150914934.2754.299.camel@mindpipe> <200606211525.33455.lau@kudla.org> <449A1B7D.1000006@boosthardware.com> <449A1C9E.3030407@hassard.net> <1150950731.2235.2.camel@mindpipe> <449A2047.2000009@boosthardware.com> <449A7230.8080801@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <449A7B1B.7080109@boosthardware.com> Dave Phillips wrote: > > IIRC linuxaudio.org has plans for an "all-in-one" Linux audio portal. > It might be nice to have some coordination between the LAU plans and > those of linuxaudio.org. > There's certainly no reason not to coordinate on that front. But the current site works and is very well positioned on Google etc... However if it was moved we could just redirect the urls to the new location and that would keep the page ranking IIUC. I would need a very compelling reason to recode it as it will take some time to strip out all the useful info for a database system. If I was going to change it I would put the content into a db, make a nice skin and write a little admin interface to make Daves life easier or even just make a batch insert from csv. We could even add a blog tool for the musings page with browsable archives... Actually a lot of the code from the Quicktoots or ladspavst portals could be reused. Then I would create a cache of the pages for the mirrors to access or some other way might be deemed simpler. Without the code for the mirrors and assuming I don't have to design the skin or add new features, it would be about a days work for me. However if someone volunteered to wrangle the content into a csv format it would save me a lot of time. Otherwise it would be about 5 days work to do everything on my own steam. Other than that the content is A1 top of the line, couldn't ask for more. It's up to y'all to convince Dave and I that it's worth the effort. If you want it done then I will schedule in into my workload throughout the next couple of months. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From rtp405 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 22 07:28:45 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Thu Jun 22 07:28:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060622081630.GM13600@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060622112845.50831.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Kjetil S. Matheussen hat gesagt: // Kjetil S. > Matheussen wrote: > > > Ron: > > >The G400 requires mga_hal which is a binary and > blah, > > >freakin blah. > > I don't think it requires any binary driver. I had a > G400 before the > G450, which I'm using for about two years now, and > even with that I've > never installed any binary-only module, just plain > xfree86 (now xorg). Were you running dual monitors with xinerama? You may be right about not needing the mga_hal. For the moment I power off the second monitor while starting X, power the monitor up and this causes the entire visible area to be filled with a spanning desktop. With the monitor left on during the start of X the screen is sized smaller than the monitor, is always a different size and what is there locates to different coordinates upon each invocation of X. ron > > Regarding matrox, heres my experiences with > graphics cards > > on linux for audio use, posted half year ago: > > http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2005/12/0476.html > > Theres a typo there though: "Matrox 400+500" is > supposed to > > be "Matrox 450+550". I'm afraid of those cards. > They > > made my machines behave strangely, hanging, lots > of cpu use. > > It might work for you though, but none of mine > have been > > very pleasant, neither in windows or linux. You > can find similar > > experiences on the net, you should search a bit. > > Well, YMMV. ;) If you search a bit, you will also > find opposite > experiences. For example, if you search the old > Sound on Sound forum > for "matrox" you will find threads like this: > http://tinyurl.com/ffatc > or this: http://tinyurl.com/qwatg (Windows users) > > I think, as you get them for about 10 Euro or less, > trying a Matrox > card is worth it. > > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ > ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Jun 22 08:17:20 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Jun 22 08:17:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <449A309C.2080501@boosthardware.com> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44994EAD.3020109@prodigy.net.mx> <20060621143639.GG13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44998577.4050300@prodigy.net.mx> <1150919570.2754.320.camel@mindpipe> <449A2774.1050604@prodigy.net.mx> <449A309C.2080501@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060622121720.GA7316@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 12:54:36PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > http://lau.linuxaudio.org/faq > > - We will also need a nice new LAU theme skin. If you are interested in > creating one please send .jpg screenshot mockups to the list. We will > have a vote when/if there are some versions to choose from. If you need > a place to host your screenshots on the web then send me a mail and I > will organise it. Ooh, so I went and made a mockup for the Wiki before realising that the lau mainpage isn't part of it. Well, I think it would be nice to have it all in one :) Anyway: http://affenbande.org/~thorwil/wordpress/2006/06/22/httplaulinuxaudioorgfaq/ Best, Thorsten Wilms From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Jun 22 08:57:08 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Jun 22 08:58:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060622021702.GI18792@replic.net> References: <20060622011857.A6D171E20C1C@music.columbia.edu> <20060622021702.GI18792@replic.net> Message-ID: <1150981028.10221.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 02:17 +0000, carmen wrote: > > Theres a typo there though: "Matrox 400+500" is supposed to > > be "Matrox 450+550". I'm afraid of those cards. They > > made my machines behave strangely, hanging, lots of cpu use. > > i had one of these in 2001, driving a dual setup. there were ghosts of the second screen on the first. and oddly, it was a ghost of the VGA screen on the DVI screen (at the time, the cards didnt have DVI, but they had this addon bridge thing which was unshielded pins to another connector on a second pci slot). the bottom line is, the signal quality was questionable, and the cards are massively obsolete. are you sure this wasn't a cable issue? i've had similar problems caused by using cheaper cabling that went away when i paid out for high end cabling (my cable runs were long) From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Thu Jun 22 09:11:33 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu Jun 22 09:12:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060622121720.GA7316@charly.SWORD> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060620235534.GC12206@replic.net> <4498F92D.7020609@jeremah.co.uk> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44994EAD.3020109@prodigy.net.mx> <20060621143639.GG13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44998577.4050300@prodigy.net.mx> <1150919570.2754.320.camel@mindpipe> <449A2774.1050604@prodigy.net.mx> <449A309C.2080501@boosthardware.com> <20060622121720.GA7316@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <449A9705.3040503@boosthardware.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 12:54:36PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >> http://lau.linuxaudio.org/faq >> >> - We will also need a nice new LAU theme skin. If you are interested in >> creating one please send .jpg screenshot mockups to the list. We will >> have a vote when/if there are some versions to choose from. If you need >> a place to host your screenshots on the web then send me a mail and I >> will organise it. > > > Ooh, so I went and made a mockup for the Wiki before realising > that the lau mainpage isn't part of it. Well, I think it would > be nice to have it all in one :) > > Anyway: > http://affenbande.org/~thorwil/wordpress/2006/06/22/httplaulinuxaudioorgfaq/ > > From here, the color tones of the blue and orange are quite easy on the eyes and somehow calming. It's kind of spooky ;) -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From fbar at footils.org Thu Jun 22 10:02:52 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Jun 22 10:03:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060622112845.50831.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060622081630.GM13600@fliwatut.scifi> <20060622112845.50831.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060622140252.GO13600@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, R Parker hat gesagt: // R Parker wrote: > --- Frank Barknecht wrote: > > I don't think it requires any binary driver. I had a > > G400 before the > > G450, which I'm using for about two years now, and > > even with that I've > > never installed any binary-only module, just plain > > xfree86 (now xorg). > > Were you running dual monitors with xinerama? Ah, sorry: no, I wasn't. I guess, there mga_hal is/was needed, I don't know. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From smcameron at yahoo.com Thu Jun 22 12:15:58 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Thu Jun 22 12:16:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <20060621180840.68968.qmail@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060622161558.63098.qmail@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Stephen Cameron wrote: > > Mark Krecht wrote: > > [snip] > > BTW - You can always take the ADAT cable and connected it from the > > output back to an input, send audio out and then see if you can record > > audio coming back in. It's a simple test to make sure the > > Alsa/Hammerfall set up is actually working. If that fails the problem > > is in your Linux setup, or the ADAT cables. If it works then it's > > either in the mixer or an interface problem where the mixer and the > > Hammerfall are not somehow compatible. (Or how you've configured your > > mixer I suppose.... > > Oh, now that's a good idea. I can probably do the same > on the AW as well. Thanks. > > I found jackbitscope here, btw: > http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~njl98r/code/ladspa/bitscope/ > Thanks for that... > > I'll post what I find out tonight. Well, something came up and I wasn't able to try out as much as I wanted to last night, but I did try the loopback test with the AW4416 talking to itself over 50 foot ADAT cable, and that worked. At least I know it's possible to use the cables under some circumstance. -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Jun 22 12:37:01 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Jun 22 12:37:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <20060622161558.63098.qmail@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060621180840.68968.qmail@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060622161558.63098.qmail@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606220937g50c9e0a3o18af714ea2c24158@mail.gmail.com> On 6/22/06, Stephen Cameron wrote: > --- Stephen Cameron wrote: > > > > Mark Krecht wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > BTW - You can always take the ADAT cable and connected it from the > > > output back to an input, send audio out and then see if you can record > > > audio coming back in. It's a simple test to make sure the > > > Alsa/Hammerfall set up is actually working. If that fails the problem > > > is in your Linux setup, or the ADAT cables. If it works then it's > > > either in the mixer or an interface problem where the mixer and the > > > Hammerfall are not somehow compatible. (Or how you've configured your > > > mixer I suppose.... > > > > Oh, now that's a good idea. I can probably do the same > > on the AW as well. Thanks. > > > > I found jackbitscope here, btw: > > http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~njl98r/code/ladspa/bitscope/ > > Thanks for that... > > > > I'll post what I find out tonight. > > Well, something came up and I wasn't able to try out as much > as I wanted to last night, but I did try the loopback test > with the AW4416 talking to itself over 50 foot ADAT cable, > and that worked. At least I know it's possible to use the > cables under some circumstance. > > -- steve Well, that's a good test as it says the ADAT interface for the mixer is working. Now you do the same tests with the Hammerfall until you have that functioning. At that point (hopefully) you'll reattach the Hammerfall to the mixer and get better results. good luck, Mark From benjamin.fabricius at lawo.de Thu Jun 22 12:37:29 2006 From: benjamin.fabricius at lawo.de (Benjamin Fabricius) Date: Thu Jun 22 12:38:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst-1.8 triggers wine-preloader processes using a lot of ram In-Reply-To: <1150656234.4428.83.camel@mindpipe> References: <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <1150571967.26252.88.camel@mindpipe> <1150649255.4428.68.camel@mindpipe> <1150656234.4428.83.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1150994249.6632.26.camel@barney> Hi all, ive made some more progress on the madi vst server. now ive got following problem. i am planing on being able to run a large amount of plugins as i route 64 channels of audio i/o. fst seems to start a dedicated wine-preloader process for every plugin that is loaded. this causes my ram to decimate very quickly and thats one thing i dont have a lot of. 512MB - Ramdisk (running kind of an embedded system). after starting 15 - 17 plug instances there is none left obviously. is there a possibility of using only one shared wine process or does anybody out there know a different work around to this problem? any help is welcome, cheers, ..ben -- ------------------- Benjamin Fabricius German Student Lawo AG From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Jun 22 12:51:02 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Jun 22 12:53:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst-1.8 triggers wine-preloader processes using a lot of ram In-Reply-To: <1150994249.6632.26.camel@barney> References: <200606132204.02643.ce@christeck.de> <1150230030.19205.98.camel@mindpipe> <1150571967.26252.88.camel@mindpipe> <1150649255.4428.68.camel@mindpipe> <1150656234.4428.83.camel@mindpipe> <1150994249.6632.26.camel@barney> Message-ID: <1150995063.10221.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 18:37 +0200, Benjamin Fabricius wrote: > Hi all, > > ive made some more progress on the madi vst server. > > now ive got following problem. i am planing on being > able to run a large amount of plugins as i route 64 channels > of audio i/o. > > fst seems to start a dedicated wine-preloader process for every > plugin that is loaded. this causes my ram to decimate very > quickly and thats one thing i dont have a lot of. 512MB - Ramdisk > (running kind of an embedded system). > after starting 15 - 17 plug instances there is none > left obviously. is there a possibility of using only one shared wine > process or does anybody out there know a different work around to this > problem? kjetil's vstserver design works this way. not totally sure what you're doing, but keep in mind that Muse put a lot of effort into making this work reliably across many plugins. don't expect to see this happen "easily". From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Thu Jun 22 13:14:30 2006 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier) Date: Thu Jun 22 13:14:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [admin] linux-audio-* maintainer wanted... Message-ID: <449ACFF6.9050501@folkwang-hochschule.de> hi guys! due to post-academic stress syndrome (read: i'm getting a real job ;), i would like to resign from being maintainer of the linux-audio-* lists. lately i haven't been able to keep up with the lists as much as i would have liked to, and i feel it's time for new people to take over. if you'd like to volunteer, holler now :) i'm leaving on a four-week iceland trip in about a week, and if no-one has expressed their interest by then, i would be very glad if somebody could at least step forward to tend to the lists for a month or so... as an added bonus, there is also the job of cleaning up the old lad.linuxaudio.org page, throwing out all the obsolete stuff (i.e. everything except the subscription information and the contrib/ section) and maybe linking to all the excellent documentation efforts elsewhere :) i hope to stay in contact with the linux audio community in the future, and i will definitely do some volunteer work for next year's linux audio conference in berlin, but my life has moved away from studio work to live audio engineering, systems administration and (ugh) web content management... all the best, j?rn -- j?rn nettingsmeier home://germany/45128 essen/lortzingstr. 11/ http://spunk.dnsalias.org phone://+49/201/491621 if you are a free (as in "free speech") software developer and you happen to be travelling near my home, drop me a line and come round for a free (as in "free beer") beer. :-D From rtp405 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 22 14:06:11 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Thu Jun 22 14:06:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <20060622161558.63098.qmail@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060622180611.85368.qmail@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Stephen Cameron wrote: > --- Stephen Cameron wrote: > > > > Mark Krecht wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > BTW - You can always take the ADAT cable and > connected it from the > > > output back to an input, send audio out and then > see if you can record > > > audio coming back in. It's a simple test to make > sure the > > > Alsa/Hammerfall set up is actually working. If > that fails the problem > > > is in your Linux setup, or the ADAT cables. If > it works then it's > > > either in the mixer or an interface problem > where the mixer and the > > > Hammerfall are not somehow compatible. (Or how > you've configured your > > > mixer I suppose.... > > > > Oh, now that's a good idea. I can probably do the > same > > on the AW as well. Thanks. > > > > I found jackbitscope here, btw: > > > http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~njl98r/code/ladspa/bitscope/ > > Thanks for that... > > > > I'll post what I find out tonight. > > Well, something came up and I wasn't able to try out > as much > as I wanted to last night, but I did try the > loopback test > with the AW4416 talking to itself over 50 foot ADAT > cable, > and that worked. At least I know it's possible to > use the > cables under some circumstance. I've been running my studio on a 50 foot snake; ADAT, keyboard, mouse, spdif, power, etc, for several years. No problems under any circumstances. Are you experiencing something weird? Ron > -- steve > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From smcameron at yahoo.com Thu Jun 22 15:12:19 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Thu Jun 22 15:12:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <20060622180611.85368.qmail@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060622191219.49257.qmail@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > I've been running my studio on a 50 foot snake; ADAT, > keyboard, mouse, spdif, power, etc, for several years. > No problems under any circumstances. Are you > experiencing something weird? No, not really. Just seems that most places sell cables up to 10m, and 10m seems to be the max distance recommended, and until you came along, I had not encountered anyone using 50 foot ADAT cables so I was a little bit worried that 50 feet might prove to be a problem, so I was glad to be able to find out it doesn't seem to be a problem. -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rtp405 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 22 17:48:49 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Thu Jun 22 17:48:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording ADAT inputs on RME hammerfall 9636/52 In-Reply-To: <20060622191219.49257.qmail@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060622214849.57488.qmail@web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Stephen Cameron wrote: > > I've been running my studio on a 50 foot snake; > ADAT, > > keyboard, mouse, spdif, power, etc, for several > years. > > No problems under any circumstances. Are you > > experiencing something weird? > > No, not really. Just seems that most places sell > cables > up to 10m, and 10m seems to be the max distance > recommended, > and until you came along, I had not encountered > anyone using > 50 foot ADAT cables so I was a little bit worried > that 50 > feet might prove to be a problem, so I was glad to > be able > to find out it doesn't seem to be a problem. The only place I see problems on the 50ft snake is with dual monitors. When the driver asks the monitors what they are the second one doesn't always return an answer. My assumption at the time was that the problem was due to cable length. I wrote the display types into the xorg.conf file which solves that. I'm no longer convinced the problem was cable length. It's probably a driver issue. Ron > -- steve > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Jun 22 19:49:55 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Jun 22 19:50:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <449A9705.3040503@boosthardware.com> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44994EAD.3020109@prodigy.net.mx> <20060621143639.GG13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44998577.4050300@prodigy.net.mx> <1150919570.2754.320.camel@mindpipe> <449A2774.1050604@prodigy.net.mx> <449A309C.2080501@boosthardware.com> <20060622121720.GA7316@charly.SWORD> <449A9705.3040503@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: On 6/22/06, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 12:54:36PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > > >> http://lau.linuxaudio.org/faq > >> > >> - We will also need a nice new LAU theme skin. If you are interested in > >> creating one please send .jpg screenshot mockups to the list. We will > >> have a vote when/if there are some versions to choose from. If you need > >> a place to host your screenshots on the web then send me a mail and I > >> will organise it. > > > > > > Ooh, so I went and made a mockup for the Wiki before realising > > that the lau mainpage isn't part of it. Well, I think it would > > be nice to have it all in one :) > > > > Anyway: > > > http://affenbande.org/~thorwil/wordpress/2006/06/22/httplaulinuxaudioorgfaq/ > > > > > > From here, the color tones of the blue and orange are quite easy on the > eyes and somehow calming. It's kind of spooky ;) > > > -- > Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. > Http://www.boosthardware.com > Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide > ======================================== > > "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will > become reality" - Macka B > > I'm voting for b. Loki From chris at mccormick.cx Fri Jun 23 00:03:03 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Fri Jun 23 00:08:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Free software AV set, Melbourne Message-ID: <20060623040303.GA3642@mccormick.cx> Hey All, Apologies if you got this gratuitous plug already. I am flying to Melbourne [Australia] this weekend to play a live, improvised audio visual set using Puredata and GEM on Linux. Next Thursday, June 29th at Plug N Play from 8-11pm (201 Smith st, Fitzroy). Hope you can join me if yr in that area of the world. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Jun 23 00:57:49 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Jun 23 00:58:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Free software AV set, Melbourne In-Reply-To: <20060623040303.GA3642@mccormick.cx> References: <20060623040303.GA3642@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: On 6/23/06, Chris McCormick wrote: > Hey All, > > Apologies if you got this gratuitous plug already. > > I am flying to Melbourne [Australia] this weekend to play a live, > improvised audio visual set using Puredata and GEM on Linux. Next > Thursday, June 29th at Plug N Play from 8-11pm (201 Smith st, Fitzroy). > > Hope you can join me if yr in that area of the world. > > Best, > > Chris. Nice one. As an added benifit I work in Fitzroy ;) So there are more PD users than just Frank! ;) Loki From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Fri Jun 23 01:14:52 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Jun 23 01:14:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: fst-1.8 triggers wine-preloader processes using a lot of ram In-Reply-To: <20060623045812.156731E5ECC0@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060623045812.156731E5ECC0@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Paul Davis: > On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 18:37 +0200, Benjamin Fabricius wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> ive made some more progress on the madi vst server. >> >> now ive got following problem. i am planing on being >> able to run a large amount of plugins as i route 64 channels >> of audio i/o. >> >> fst seems to start a dedicated wine-preloader process for every >> plugin that is loaded. this causes my ram to decimate very >> quickly and thats one thing i dont have a lot of. 512MB - Ramdisk >> (running kind of an embedded system). >> after starting 15 - 17 plug instances there is none >> left obviously. is there a possibility of using only one shared wine >> process or does anybody out there know a different work around to this >> problem? > > kjetil's vstserver design works this way. > Not really. I think vstserver V0.0.1 or something ran everything in one process. But I changed it quickly because if one plugin crashed, the whole server went down as well, I'm not sure how bugfree v0.0.1 is though. It might still work... From b0ef at esben-stien.name Fri Jun 23 03:54:44 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Fri Jun 23 01:59:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060622140252.GO13600@fliwatut.scifi> (Frank Barknecht's message of "Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:02:52 +0200") References: <20060622081630.GM13600@fliwatut.scifi> <20060622112845.50831.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060622140252.GO13600@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <878xnoparf.fsf@esben-stien.name> Frank Barknecht writes: > I wasn't. I guess, there mga_hal is/was needed Yes, this is correct. I had g400 before my g550. You needed proprietary software if you wanted to use both outputs. Of course, I never did;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Jun 23 05:50:01 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Jun 23 05:50:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital mixer suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <20060616075941.GA3572@spma33> Message-ID: <200606231050.01936.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 16 June 2006 10:59, Carlo Capocasa was like: > Well, I do constantly praise the many advantages of the linux > platform... I noticed however that there is still significant lock-out > due to the command line. Ubuntu is IMHO a very large step towards a > larger user base, now all we need to do there is make audio > configuration command-line-free and I'd say we're set for mass migration. > Oh yeah and Dave Robillard's MIDI for Ardour project is music. Pure music. Fair enough, I understand that most migrators find the Command Line scary, however please bear in mind that the Command Line Interface is part of the beauty of a Linux system for experienced users, it is not something that should be brushed under the carpet, it should be celebrated and its use encouraged. That said, CLI free configuration is a sensible move so long as it doesn't break the text-based approach, which considering the modular nature of a Linux system is fairly unlikely in most cases. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Jun 23 05:52:06 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Jun 23 05:52:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Some basic questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200606231052.07089.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 17 June 2006 15:33, Carlo Capocasa was like: > As for Hydrogen, I think it's a very good drum machine for playing with > or jamming, but I wouldn't use it in music production. I would. Why not make the drumkit you want for Hydrogen? -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From benjamin.fabricius at lawo.de Fri Jun 23 06:11:45 2006 From: benjamin.fabricius at lawo.de (Benjamin Fabricius) Date: Fri Jun 23 06:11:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: fst-1.8 triggers wine-preloader processes using a lot of ram In-Reply-To: References: <20060623045812.156731E5ECC0@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1151057505.6837.34.camel@barney> Am Donnerstag, den 22.06.2006, 22:14 -0700 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen: > not totally sure what you're doing, but keep in mind that Muse put a > > lot > of effort into making this work reliably across many plugins. don't > expect to see this happen "easily". what i want and am doing is to route a maximum of 64 audio channels through various plugins by using jacks routing matrix and then output these again. the plugins are being loaded by fst. ive ran some latency and signal tests on this system to check if the system is stable and bit transparent and also estimated s/n, distortion factor etc and everything is working to my satisfaction thanks to having built this system using a more or less embedded linux. this seems to offer enough cpu ressources for this setup to work (dedicated and thus) reliably with up to 18 (max. possible plugs to this date) plugins without getting xruns or other artifacts. so thats what im doing. yesterday while testing suddenly qjackctl crashes.. due to an out of memory fault. ive got 512MB ram minus the space for my ramdisk. a quick look into top now saw me confronted with a large list of wine-preloader processes using up to 10% of my memory each (!). i was not doubting the effort invested in making plugins run stable with fst or Muse etc. i merely thought it was worth finding out if any one has had these difficulties in an environment with similar low ressources. as a matter of fact i would actually like to stick with fst because i am surprised it works as reliably as i have experienced. > > > > kjetil's vstserver design works this way. > > > i thought vstserver was an obsolete approach... > Not really. I think vstserver V0.0.1 or something ran everything in one > process. But I changed it quickly because if one plugin crashed, the whole > server went down as well, I'm not sure how bugfree v0.0.1 is though. It > might still work... on the other hand this seems to be an issue also. what i certainly dont want is the server going down if one plugin throws in the towel... so im still thinking about the possibilities ive got and the pros and cons. any advice out there? or reports on how you got your system to work the way you wanted with many plugins? ive also got another question. havent gone through the code looking for this yet so pardon this question of mine. id like to change plugin user parameters using the vst api funtions (setParameter(..) etc). is there a way i could extend fsts functionality in the sense of an interface accepting these values an then passing them on through fst and into the plugin instance? im more from a oop backround so sorry about this abstract idea ;-) > > -- ------------------- Benjamin Fabricius German Student Lawo AG From kluppe at klingt.org Fri Jun 23 06:47:46 2006 From: kluppe at klingt.org (kluppe) Date: Fri Jun 23 06:47:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] kluppe 0.6.5 released Message-ID: <449BC6D2.2080102@klingt.org> hello! kluppe version 0.6.5 is available. kluppe is a jack-based loop player designed for live-use. since my last email to this list there have been many changes including *) new playmodes ("play/rec once", "clickmodes",...) *) disc stream support for larger soundfiles *) several bugfixes (thanks to piem and toni) kluppe can be downloaded at http://kluppe.klingt.org as always: please let me know if you run into troubles using or compiling kluppe. i'm always happy to get feedback from people who use kluppe. best regards d13b From markus at herhoffer.net Fri Jun 23 07:15:30 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Fri Jun 23 07:16:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "on stage" pc Message-ID: <449BCD52.60209@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello! I need a recommendation for a sound card or USB device for a PC that will serve as sequencer and virtual instrument on stage. I need a cheap yet powerful sound card with the following features: - - about 4 ins and 4 outs. (If there are more, the sound engineer will go crazy) - - ultra low latency - - compatible to be built into a 19'' rack. - - MIDI-In/Out Any ideas? Markus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEm81SuXdsp50C0vMRAojrAJ0TgUJVVfSI5vqKf0Jjj3LyIL3CgACgy7uh oMsVpisJRPSWxmpe2ytDgzw= =hbBc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Fri Jun 23 07:19:10 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Fri Jun 23 07:20:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060621075928.GC13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44994EAD.3020109@prodigy.net.mx> <20060621143639.GG13600@fliwatut.scifi> <44998577.4050300@prodigy.net.mx> <1150919570.2754.320.camel@mindpipe> <449A2774.1050604@prodigy.net.mx> <449A309C.2080501@boosthardware.com> <20060622121720.GA7316@charly.SWORD> <449A9705.3040503@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <449BCE2E.2070103@boosthardware.com> Loki Davison wrote: > > > I'm voting for b. > B is easy on the eyes but there's not much to it. IMO it would be nice to have a skin that has some flava. After all this will be for the "uber cool" Linux Audio Users FAQ and not for the stuffed shirt Linux Audio Devs. If a Dev needs to read the FAQ they will just have to grit there teeth and bear the uncomfortable feeling of being in a site where style is put before functionality... Anyhow, I know Thorsten can do something a lot funkier than those first too and I'm sure there are others who could too. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From dave at pawfal.org Fri Jun 23 10:40:16 2006 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Fri Jun 23 10:40:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] a little livecoded a/v movie Message-ID: <31337.193.203.82.226.1151073616.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> hi all, a little movie of some of the livecoding I've been doing live lately (usually alongside slub[1]) http://www.pawfal.org/patterncascade/movies/rotblox.mpg the visuals and audio are both generated from the same improvised code (lsystem rules used in a similar way to the mondrian project[2]) more info: http://www.pawfal.org/patterncascade/ cheers, dave [1] http://www.slub.org/ [2] http://www.math.tu-berlin.de/~brinkman/software/mondrian/ From lars.luthman at gmail.com Fri Jun 23 10:57:51 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Fri Jun 23 10:58:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] a little livecoded a/v movie In-Reply-To: <31337.193.203.82.226.1151073616.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> References: <31337.193.203.82.226.1151073616.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: <1151074673.7420.0.camel@c-5f75e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 15:40 +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote: > hi all, > > a little movie of some of the livecoding I've been doing live lately > (usually alongside slub[1]) > > http://www.pawfal.org/patterncascade/movies/rotblox.mpg > > the visuals and audio are both generated from the same improvised code > (lsystem rules used in a similar way to the mondrian project[2]) > > more info: http://www.pawfal.org/patterncascade/ So that's what a 3D piano roll looks like! Very, very cool. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060623/da85bd2d/attachment.bin From public at 0x09.com Fri Jun 23 11:00:58 2006 From: public at 0x09.com (I. E. Smith-Heisters) Date: Fri Jun 23 11:01:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: References: <1150571967.26252.88.camel@mindpipe> <1150649255.4428.68.camel@mindpipe> <1150656234.4428.83.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: I can't seem to get any of the vanilla kernels to run on my machine--I must need some Ubuntu patch, but I haven't any idea which one. I'll look into it further, but for the time being it looks like my debugging abilities will be limited to what can be done by compiling the Ubuntu kernel (eg. no RT or latency tracing..) Thanks again. On 6/20/06, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: > Okay, so I enabled ALSA debugging, as well as debug detect: > CONFIG_SND_DEBUG and CONFIG_SND_DEBUG_DETECT. Here's the /var/messages > tail produced by trying to start Jack: > > Jun 20 14:00:26 localhost kernel: [17179738.108000] azx_pcm_prepare: > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:26 localhost kernel: [17179738.108000] > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.116000] azx_pcm_prepare: > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.120000] > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.156000] azx_pcm_prepare: > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.156000] > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.164000] azx_pcm_prepare: > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.164000] > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.196000] azx_pcm_prepare: > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.196000] > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.204000] azx_pcm_prepare: > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.204000] > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.244000] azx_pcm_prepare: > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.244000] > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.252000] azx_pcm_prepare: > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.252000] > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.292000] azx_pcm_prepare: > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.292000] > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.300000] azx_pcm_prepare: > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.300000] > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.340000] azx_pcm_prepare: > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.340000] > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.348000] azx_pcm_prepare: > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:27 localhost kernel: [17179738.348000] > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 > *snip* > Jun 20 14:00:32 localhost kernel: [17179743.156000] azx_pcm_prepare: > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:32 localhost kernel: [17179743.156000] > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x1, channel=0, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:32 localhost kernel: [17179743.164000] azx_pcm_prepare: > bufsize=0x1000, fragsize=0x800, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:32 localhost kernel: [17179743.164000] > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x11 > Jun 20 14:00:32 localhost kernel: [17179743.180000] > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x0, channel=0, format=0x0 > Jun 20 14:00:32 localhost kernel: [17179743.188000] > hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x3, stream=0x0, channel=0, format=0x0 > > > I can't make heads or tails of that; hopefully it means something to > you. I'll try compiling the RT vanilla kernel now and see if that > shows anything.. > > Thanks for the help. > > On 6/18/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-06-18 at 14:38 -0400, I. E. Smith-Heisters wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Strange, Intel is no nice with OSS video drivers.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think the video driver has anything at all to do with this. > > > > > > Oh, no, I was referring, rather, to their OSS support of their 950 > > > video chipset; I would think their linux-friendliness would extend to > > > their audio chipsets. > > > > > > > Intel is fine. They wrote and released a perfectly good HDA driver. > > It's just that the vendors have a LOT of latitude to make small > > variations on the chipset and they don't help with ALSA drivers. > > > > It seems to work for many users but there are a lot of laptops that just > > get no sound or bad sound. > > > > > > > > > > Can you post the output of "dmesg" after trying JACK in realtime mode? > > > > > > > > > > Nothing in there. The following is exactly the same as it was before > > > trying to start jack. > > > > > > [17179691.824000] ACPI: Video Device [VID] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no) > > > [17179691.824000] ACPI: Video Device [VID2] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no) > > > [17179695.124000] ppdev: user-space parallel port driver > > > [17179695.352000] apm: BIOS not found. > > > [17179698.448000] Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.8 > > > [17179698.448000] Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized > > > [17179698.452000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized > > > [17179698.452000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized > > > [17179698.452000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.7 > > > > > > I tried compiling the RT kernel (just running the default Ubuntu > > > PREEMPT right now), but ran into some problems, so I'll have to play > > > with it some more. > > > > Maybe you could recompile the standard Ubuntu kernel and enable ALSA > > debugging? > > > > Lee > > > > > From dave at pawfal.org Fri Jun 23 11:37:50 2006 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Fri Jun 23 11:37:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] a little livecoded a/v movie In-Reply-To: <1151074673.7420.0.camel@c-5f75e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolag et.se> References: <31337.193.203.82.226.1151073616.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <1151074673.7420.0.camel@c-5f75e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> Message-ID: <55072.193.203.82.226.1151077070.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 15:40 +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote: >> hi all, >> >> a little movie of some of the livecoding I've been doing live lately >> (usually alongside slub[1]) >> >> http://www.pawfal.org/patterncascade/movies/rotblox.mpg >> >> the visuals and audio are both generated from the same improvised code >> (lsystem rules used in a similar way to the mondrian project[2]) >> >> more info: http://www.pawfal.org/patterncascade/ > > So that's what a 3D piano roll looks like! Very, very cool. thanks! :) I'm working on other ways of visualising the note events but that seems to be the most successful so far, as it's the clearest. cheers, dave From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Jun 23 14:07:08 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Jun 23 13:57:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] a little livecoded a/v movie In-Reply-To: <55072.193.203.82.226.1151077070.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> References: <31337.193.203.82.226.1151073616.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> <1151074673.7420.0.camel@c-5f75e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> <55072.193.203.82.226.1151077070.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: <449C2DCC.2000708@woh.rr.com> Dave Griffiths wrote: >>>more info: http://www.pawfal.org/patterncascade/ >>> >>> >>So that's what a 3D piano roll looks like! Very, very cool. >> >> > >thanks! :) I'm working on other ways of visualising the note events but >that seems to be the most successful so far, as it's the clearest. > > Hi Dave: Long time ago the journal Die Reihe ran an article that included a hypothetical view of a 3D music representation. It looked very much like what you've accomplished. Nice work. :) Best, dp Nihil sub sole novum. From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Fri Jun 23 14:00:55 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Fri Jun 23 14:01:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Free software AV set, Melbourne In-Reply-To: References: <20060623040303.GA3642@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <1151085655.18267.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 14:57 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > On 6/23/06, Chris McCormick wrote: > > Hey All, > > > > Apologies if you got this gratuitous plug already. > > > > I am flying to Melbourne [Australia] this weekend to play a live, > > improvised audio visual set using Puredata and GEM on Linux. Next > > Thursday, June 29th at Plug N Play from 8-11pm (201 Smith st, Fitzroy). > > > > Hope you can join me if yr in that area of the world. > > > > Best, > > > > Chris. > > Nice one. As an added benifit I work in Fitzroy ;) So there are more > PD users than just Frank! ;) Of course nobody announced any damn Pd shows in Fitzroy when /I/ was living down the street... figures :) -DR- From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Jun 23 14:53:24 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Jun 23 14:54:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "on stage" pc In-Reply-To: <449BCD52.60209@herhoffer.net> References: <449BCD52.60209@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: Sure. Same goal, some research done. I'd avoid USB because of latency, but FireWire is great (low latency, large throughput, works with both Apple and IBM style machines). I like the ESI Quatafire (1/3 19"). Roland Edirol has a similar device that is slightly cheaper, but offers a restriction on how many channels you can use. (1/2 19") Then there is the RME Multiface that uses either PCI or PCMCIA, and is supposed to have superior quality at a superior price. (1/2 19") Finally, for the ultra high end (my dream card), there is the Apogee Ensemble FireWire that offers the famous Apogee D/A converters and four Apogee Pre-Amps. This is my dream card. (19") It is untested with linux. To go a bit lower in price, Echo offers the Indigo DJ with two stereo outputs and no inputs as a PCMCIA card. To run firewire cards on linux you need the FreeBob package, that has a seperate backend to Jack to be used instead of ALSA. Note all of this based on my research and is untested. Carlo From perodog at gmx.net Fri Jun 23 15:10:24 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Fri Jun 23 15:09:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture V0.2.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <449C3CA0.20000@gmx.net> hi to the list, would like to try this, but not able to make: nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/jcapt/jack_capture-0.2.4$ make gcc -O3 jack_capture.c -o jack_capture -ljack -lsndfile -Wall jack_capture.c: In function 'stop_disk_thread': jack_capture.c:226: error: 'linfo' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:226: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once jack_capture.c:226: error: for each function it appears in.) make: *** [all] Fehler 1 nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/jcapt/jack_capture-0.2.4$ anybody an idea, what is wrong here? cheers, doc Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > jack_capture is a small program to capture whatever > sound is going out to your speakers into a file without > every having to patch jack connections, fiddle around with > fileformats, or set options on the argument line. > > This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no > one made. So here it is. > > > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ > > > Changes 0.2.3 -> 0.2.4: > *Give message to stderr during recording (not only after) if any > overruns > occur. > *Do not delete file after recording if any overruns have occured. > (stupid > jackreq code #$!@$) > *Increased default buffer size from 0.5M to 2M. > > > > From arnold.krille at gmail.com Fri Jun 23 15:22:14 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Fri Jun 23 15:22:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "on stage" pc In-Reply-To: <449BCD52.60209@herhoffer.net> References: <449BCD52.60209@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <2def88b80606231222l6129f697n412f5a1a0812a03e@mail.gmail.com> Hi, untested comments follow: 2006/6/23, Markus Herhoffer : > I need a recommendation for a sound card or USB device for a PC that > will serve as sequencer and virtual instrument on stage. I need a cheap > yet powerful sound card with the following features: > - - about 4 ins and 4 outs. (If there are more, the sound engineer will go > crazy) > - - ultra low latency > - - compatible to be built into a 19'' rack. > - - MIDI-In/Out M-Audio has the Delta 44 which is 4in and 4out. With a small breakout-box to jack in your cables... PCI has the advantage that rather a lot of cards are tested and functional on linux. If you prefer USB, you won't find 4x4 devices. Because usb1.1 can only carry four streams reliable (which is stereo in and out) and usb2.0 hasn't an audio standard, so most of these devices don't work on linux. Firewire has some devices available through the FreeBob-project, but the devices with more channels aren't cheap. (You didn't say anything about the money you want to spend.) So long, Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From njcross at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 23 15:42:03 2006 From: njcross at sbcglobal.net (njcross@sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri Jun 23 15:24:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl Message-ID: <200606231242.03944.njcross@sbcglobal.net> Is there a linux midi program that takes midi controller data and transform it to midi note data? Seems really simple? cheers, Nev. From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Jun 23 17:37:05 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Jun 23 15:36:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture V0.2.4 In-Reply-To: <449C3CA0.20000@gmx.net> References: <449C3CA0.20000@gmx.net> Message-ID: <449C5F01.2020409@poeticstudios.com> Open jack_capture.c and change 'linfo' to 'info' at line 226. Then try 'make' again. linfo->status = EPIPE; should be: info->status = EPIPE; Kjetil is one of those old school hackers that use to voluntarily put bugs and mispelled instructions on their code for educational purpose. ;-) c. Dragan Noveski wrote: > hi to the list, > would like to try this, but not able to make: > > > > nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/jcapt/jack_capture-0.2.4$ make > gcc -O3 jack_capture.c -o jack_capture -ljack -lsndfile -Wall > jack_capture.c: In function 'stop_disk_thread': > jack_capture.c:226: error: 'linfo' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:226: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported > only once > jack_capture.c:226: error: for each function it appears in.) > make: *** [all] Fehler 1 > nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/jcapt/jack_capture-0.2.4$ > > > anybody an idea, what is wrong here? > > cheers, > doc > > Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > >> >> jack_capture is a small program to capture whatever >> sound is going out to your speakers into a file without >> every having to patch jack connections, fiddle around with >> fileformats, or set options on the argument line. >> >> This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no >> one made. So here it is. >> >> >> http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ >> >> >> Changes 0.2.3 -> 0.2.4: >> *Give message to stderr during recording (not only after) if any >> overruns >> occur. >> *Do not delete file after recording if any overruns have occured. >> (stupid >> jackreq code #$!@$) >> *Increased default buffer size from 0.5M to 2M. >> >> >> >> > > > -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From perodog at gmx.net Fri Jun 23 15:53:03 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Fri Jun 23 15:51:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] GLASHCtl 0.2 In-Reply-To: <1150113369.8864.8.camel@localhost> References: <1150113369.8864.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <449C469F.5010805@gmx.net> hi lars, really great thing, this is the first lashd control, which works for me intuitively! muse works good with this. is there anywhere any kind of list of wich appis can be build with lash-support? great thing, thanx a lot regards, doc Lars Luthman wrote: >GLASHCtl is a control applet for LASH. This is the first release. Other >than my code it contains eggtrayicon.h and eggtrayicon.c (by Anders >Carlsson and Jean-Yves Lefort), taken from libegg, and the LASH icon (by >Thorsten Wilms) from the LASH project. A patch from Florian Schmidt, >adding session renaming and directory switching, has also been applied. > >Get it at http://dino.nongnu.org/glashctl > >Attaching README: > > >GLASHCTL >======================================================================= >This is a simple applet for controlling the LASH Audio Session Handler. >When you run it it will appear as a small LASH icon in your >"notification >area" or "system tray" (if your desktop manager is compatible with >freedesktop.org's "System tray" standard, >http://www.freedesktop.org/Standards/systemtray-spec). This is typically >somewhere in the panel in KDE or GNOME. > > >BUILDING IT >============================================================ >To build this program you will need the following libraries: > > * libgtkmm (2.6.4 or newer) > * libvte (0.11.15 or newer) > * liblash (0.5.1 or newer) > >You will also need to have the LASH server, lashd, somewhere in your >$PATH. >To build the program with the default configuration (install >in /usr/local, >compile with -g -O2 etc), simply type 'make' in this directory. If you >want to >change the configuration, use the configure script (run configure --help >for >details). When you type 'make' a program called glashctl should be >generated, >and when you type 'make install' it should be installed on your system. > >You need to install it before you run it, otherwise it won't find the >LASH >icon file and will not start. > > >USING IT >============================================================ >To use the applet, simply run the program. If you have a >standards-compliant >system tray on your desktop a small LASH icon (a cardboard box with a >soundwave on it) should appear there. It is probably insensitive (greyed >out), unless you were already running lashd or have the >LASH_START_SERVER >environment variable set to 1. If you right-click the icon a menu will >pop up >where you can choose to start lashd. When lashd has started the icon >should >become sensitive (show colours), and you will be able to restore audio >sessions, and when there is an active session, save it, close it, rename >it >or change its directory. You can also quit the applet from the popup >menu. > >You can also left-click the icon to open a message window that shows >information about the events received from lashd. > > >NOTES >============================================================ >The LASH icon was created by Thorsten Wilms for the LASH project >(http://lash.nongnu.org). > >I know that the GNOME HIG discourages using the notification area for >permanent icons and icons that have actions other than just opening a >window >associated with them, but until there is a standard for writing normal >panel >applets that work in both KDE and GNOME and in other window managers >I'll do >it anyway. > > >Send bug reports and suggestions to Lars Luthman, lars.luthman@gmail.com > > > > > From perodog at gmx.net Fri Jun 23 16:01:40 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Fri Jun 23 16:00:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture V0.2.4 In-Reply-To: <449C5F01.2020409@poeticstudios.com> References: <449C3CA0.20000@gmx.net> <449C5F01.2020409@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <449C48A4.9040104@gmx.net> yepp, that way it works just great, good hack! qjackctl does not show that it is connected, but it does record! thanks for the support, and thanks to kjetil for his work, cheers, doc Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Open jack_capture.c and change 'linfo' to 'info' at line 226. Then try > 'make' again. > > linfo->status = EPIPE; > > should be: > > info->status = EPIPE; > > Kjetil is one of those old school hackers that use to voluntarily put > bugs and mispelled instructions on their code for educational purpose. > ;-) > > c. > > Dragan Noveski wrote: > >> hi to the list, >> would like to try this, but not able to make: >> >> >> >> nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/jcapt/jack_capture-0.2.4$ make >> gcc -O3 jack_capture.c -o jack_capture -ljack -lsndfile -Wall >> jack_capture.c: In function 'stop_disk_thread': >> jack_capture.c:226: error: 'linfo' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:226: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported >> only once >> jack_capture.c:226: error: for each function it appears in.) >> make: *** [all] Fehler 1 >> nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/jcapt/jack_capture-0.2.4$ >> >> >> anybody an idea, what is wrong here? >> >> cheers, >> doc >> >> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >> >>> >>> jack_capture is a small program to capture whatever >>> sound is going out to your speakers into a file without >>> every having to patch jack connections, fiddle around with >>> fileformats, or set options on the argument line. >>> >>> This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no >>> one made. So here it is. >>> >>> >>> http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ >>> >>> >>> Changes 0.2.3 -> 0.2.4: >>> *Give message to stderr during recording (not only after) if any >>> overruns >>> occur. >>> *Do not delete file after recording if any overruns have occured. >>> (stupid >>> jackreq code #$!@$) >>> *Increased default buffer size from 0.5M to 2M. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > From smcameron at yahoo.com Fri Jun 23 16:05:12 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Fri Jun 23 16:05:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl In-Reply-To: <200606231242.03944.njcross@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20060623200512.45222.qmail@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- "njcross@sbcglobal.net" wrote: > Is there a linux midi program that takes midi controller data and > transform it to midi note data? > Seems really simple? > cheers, > Nev. > Isn't the data that comes from a midi controller typically already in the form of noteon/noteoff events? I know when I was messing around with an Akai MPD16 (drumpad thingy) I was getting note-ons coming out of it. There was no real "conversion" necessary, though I filtered out some things it was sending which I wasn't interested in. Maybe I misunderstand your question -- and I'm amateur, so don't take what I say as being authoritative by any stretch. Maybe you mean record incoming MIDI events into a MIDI format file? There's arecordmidi -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pinojazz at gmail.com Fri Jun 23 16:57:38 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Fri Jun 23 16:58:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RT and Jack problems In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0606211434h753dc86dm232241128226207c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060619205136.f5vwque6g4wc48gc@mail.online.ie> <5bdc1c8b0606191259t6fdf09f7m9f53444e8c007dd1@mail.gmail.com> <20060621223047.fdlnbrhm5cc4sk04@mail.online.ie> <5bdc1c8b0606211434h753dc86dm232241128226207c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <449C55C2.8080307@gmail.com> Mark Knecht escribi?: > On 6/21/06, Hiram Abiff wrote: >> Quoting Mark Knecht : >> >> > Hiram, >> > There are a few things to discover: >> > >> > 1) Are you running Jack as root or a user? >> > >> > - First, try running Jack as root and see if these problems go away. >> > >> Gru? Dich, Mark >> I tried running it as root, works great. >> > >> >> I recompiled my kernel with the required module, I created a realtime >> group, added my user to it and loaded the module. lsmod reports >> it's loaded. However, I still get the same error messages when running >> muse. :( >> > > It may be the way you are loading the realtime module. Here's how I do > it at boot time on my Gentoo box in /etc/modules.autoload/kernel-2.6: > > realtime gid=600 any=1 > > and here is how I set up my group: > > mark@lightning ~ $ cat /etc/group | grep realtime > realtime:x:600:mark > mark@lightning ~ $ > > Nothing more than that and I work fine. > > lightning ~ # modinfo realtime > filename: /lib/modules/2.6.17-rt1/extra/realtime.ko > license: GPL > description: Realtime Capabilities Security Module > vermagic: 2.6.17-rt1 preempt mod_unload gcc-3.4 > license: GPL > description: Standard Linux Common Capabilities Security Module > depends: > vermagic: 2.6.17-rt1 preempt mod_unload gcc-3.4 > parm: any: grant realtime privileges to any process. (int) > parm: gid: the group ID with access to realtime privileges. > (int) > parm: mlock: enable memory locking privileges. (int) > lightning ~ # > > Hope this helps, > Mark > > And here is houw I > With ubuntu and 2.6.17-rt1 I load it in this way realtime gid=29 wich is the audio group Saludos. --Carlos. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jun 23 17:00:06 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jun 23 17:03:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: fst-1.8 triggers wine-preloader processes using a lot of ram In-Reply-To: <1151057505.6837.34.camel@barney> References: <20060623045812.156731E5ECC0@music.columbia.edu> <1151057505.6837.34.camel@barney> Message-ID: <1151096407.2931.40.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 12:11 +0200, Benjamin Fabricius wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 22.06.2006, 22:14 -0700 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen: > > > not totally sure what you're doing, but keep in mind that Muse put a > > > lot > > of effort into making this work reliably across many plugins. don't > > expect to see this happen "easily". > > what i want and am doing is to route a maximum of 64 audio channels > through various plugins by using jacks routing matrix and then output > these again. the plugins are being loaded by fst. ive ran some latency > and signal tests on this system to check if the system is stable and bit > transparent and also estimated s/n, distortion factor etc and everything > is working to my satisfaction thanks to having built this system using a > more or less embedded linux. this seems to offer enough cpu ressources > for this setup to work (dedicated and thus) reliably with up to 18 (max. > possible plugs to this date) plugins without getting xruns or other > artifacts. so thats what im doing. yesterday while testing suddenly > qjackctl crashes.. due to an out of memory fault. ive got > 512MB ram minus the space for my ramdisk. a quick look into top now saw > me confronted with a large list of wine-preloader processes using up to > 10% of my memory each (!). > > i was not doubting the effort invested in making plugins run stable with > fst or Muse etc. i merely thought it was worth finding out if any one > has had these difficulties in an environment with similar low > ressources. > > as a matter of fact i would actually like to stick with fst because i am > surprised it works as reliably as i have experienced. Try lowering RLIMIT_STACK from 8MB to 256KB or something (the default is set in /etc/security/limits.conf). Heavily mulithreaded processes + mlockall() wastes a LOT of memory for thread stacks. The latest SVN Jack solves this problem by setting the thread stack size itself. Lee From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Fri Jun 23 17:24:53 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Jun 23 17:25:02 2006 Subject: [ANN] jack_capture V0.2.5 (Re: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture V0.2.4 In-Reply-To: <20060623190916.499671E7DD9A@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060623190916.499671E7DD9A@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Dragan Noveski: > hi to the list, > would like to try this, but not able to make: > > nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/jcapt/jack_capture-0.2.4$ make > gcc -O3 jack_capture.c -o jack_capture -ljack -lsndfile -Wall > jack_capture.c: In function 'stop_disk_thread': > jack_capture.c:226: error: 'linfo' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:226: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only > once > jack_capture.c:226: error: for each function it appears in.) > make: *** [all] Fehler 1 > nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/jcapt/jack_capture-0.2.4$ > > anybody an idea, what is wrong here? Oops, I'm so sorry about that, I must have forgotten to test before releasing. New version is up: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetism/src/jack_capture-0.2.5.tar.gz From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Fri Jun 23 17:33:24 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Jun 23 17:33:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture V0.2.4 In-Reply-To: <20060623205831.5F9371E825AE@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060623205831.5F9371E825AE@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Cesare Marilungo: > Open jack_capture.c and change 'linfo' to 'info' at line 226. Then try > 'make' again. > > linfo->status = EPIPE; > > should be: > > info->status = EPIPE; > > Kjetil is one of those old school hackers that use to voluntarily put > bugs and mispelled instructions on their code for educational purpose. ;-) Yes, you're right, thats the reason why my software contains so many bugs. :-) (BTW, what misspellings???) From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Fri Jun 23 17:36:05 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Jun 23 17:36:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture V0.2.4 In-Reply-To: References: <20060623205831.5F9371E825AE@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >> >> Kjetil is one of those old school hackers that use to voluntarily put >> bugs and mispelled instructions on their code for educational purpose. ;-) > > Yes, you're right, thats the reason why my software contains so many bugs. > :-) > (BTW, what misspellings???) Oops, tried to be funny by misspelling "misspelling". However, I didn't even manage that... From lars.luthman at gmail.com Fri Jun 23 18:10:30 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Fri Jun 23 18:10:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] GLASHCtl 0.2 In-Reply-To: <449C469F.5010805@gmx.net> References: <1150113369.8864.8.camel@localhost> <449C469F.5010805@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1151100630.7420.7.camel@c-5f75e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 21:53 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > hi lars, really great thing, this is the first lashd control, which > works for me intuitively! > muse works good with this. Great to hear. > is there anywhere any kind of list of wich appis can be build with > lash-support? There is an incomplete list on http://lash.nongnu.org . Other than the ones listed there Dino also supports LASH, and there are patches for Specimen and ZynAddSubFX. I think there are also (partial?) patches for Ardour and JACK-rack somewhere. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060624/be1a47a7/attachment.bin From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Jun 23 20:12:05 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Jun 23 18:12:24 2006 Subject: [ANN] jack_capture V0.2.5 (Re: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_capture V0.2.4 In-Reply-To: References: <20060623190916.499671E7DD9A@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <449C8355.4080804@poeticstudios.com> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > Dragan Noveski: > >> hi to the list, >> would like to try this, but not able to make: >> >> nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/jcapt/jack_capture-0.2.4$ make >> gcc -O3 jack_capture.c -o jack_capture -ljack -lsndfile -Wall >> jack_capture.c: In function 'stop_disk_thread': >> jack_capture.c:226: error: 'linfo' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:226: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported >> only once >> jack_capture.c:226: error: for each function it appears in.) >> make: *** [all] Fehler 1 >> nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/jcapt/jack_capture-0.2.4$ >> >> anybody an idea, what is wrong here? > > > > Oops, I'm so sorry about that, I must have forgotten to test before > releasing. > > New version is up: > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetism/src/jack_capture-0.2.5.tar.gz > You mean: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/jack_capture-0.2.5.tar.gz :-) c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From njcross at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 23 21:23:35 2006 From: njcross at sbcglobal.net (njcross@sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri Jun 23 21:05:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl Message-ID: <200606231823.35617.njcross@sbcglobal.net> Stephen Cameron wrote: > Isn't the data that comes from a midi controller typically > already in the form of noteon/noteoff events? > > I know when I was messing around with an Akai MPD16 > (drumpad thingy) I was getting note-ons coming out > of it. There was no real "conversion" necessary, > though I filtered out some things it was sending which > I wasn't interested in. > > Maybe I misunderstand your question -- and I'm amateur, > so don't take what I say as being authoritative by > any stretch. > > Maybe you mean record incoming MIDI events into a MIDI > format file? There's arecordmidi > I don't think that midi control data sends midi note on/note off specific commands. Dunno, maybe I'm wrong. N. From smcameron at yahoo.com Fri Jun 23 21:20:01 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Fri Jun 23 21:20:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl In-Reply-To: <200606231823.35617.njcross@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20060624012001.91878.qmail@web33015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > I don't think that midi control data sends midi note on/note off specific > commands. > Dunno, maybe I'm wrong. > I suspect I do not know what "midi control data" is. -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From james at dis-dot-dat.net Fri Jun 23 22:30:05 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Fri Jun 23 22:30:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [LAM] a little livecoded a/v movie In-Reply-To: <31337.193.203.82.226.1151073616.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> References: <31337.193.203.82.226.1151073616.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: <20060624023005.GA10261@fitz.Belkin> On Fri, 23 Jun, 2006 at 03:40PM +0100, Dave Griffiths spake thus: > hi all, > > a little movie of some of the livecoding I've been doing live lately > (usually alongside slub[1]) > > http://www.pawfal.org/patterncascade/movies/rotblox.mpg > > the visuals and audio are both generated from the same improvised code > (lsystem rules used in a similar way to the mondrian project[2]) That's really nice. I never knew cubes sounded so good. > more info: http://www.pawfal.org/patterncascade/ > > cheers, > > dave > > [1] http://www.slub.org/ > [2] http://www.math.tu-berlin.de/~brinkman/software/mondrian/ > > > > > From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Jun 23 22:49:56 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Jun 23 22:50:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "on stage" pc In-Reply-To: <449BCD52.60209@herhoffer.net> References: <449BCD52.60209@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: On 6/23/06, Markus Herhoffer wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello! > > I need a recommendation for a sound card or USB device for a PC that > will serve as sequencer and virtual instrument on stage. I need a cheap > yet powerful sound card with the following features: > > - - about 4 ins and 4 outs. (If there are more, the sound engineer will go > crazy) > - - ultra low latency > - - compatible to be built into a 19'' rack. > - - MIDI-In/Out > > Any ideas? > > Markus echo mona. 4 in 6 out with preamps and adat, 19" rack mount. Pci or pcmcia. It's discontinued but you can get them on ebay, etc. They are on the slightly more expensive end of things though. Loki From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Jun 23 22:50:59 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Jun 23 22:51:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl In-Reply-To: <20060624012001.91878.qmail@web33015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200606231823.35617.njcross@sbcglobal.net> <20060624012001.91878.qmail@web33015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606231950h8335a4clc0b33f9b4522bb95@mail.gmail.com> On 6/23/06, Stephen Cameron wrote: > > I don't think that midi control data sends midi note on/note off specific > > commands. > > Dunno, maybe I'm wrong. > > > > I suspect I do not know what "midi control data" is. > > -- steve > MIDI Controller? Stuff like pitch bend, sustain, etc. Not the notes but the other stuff that synths and keyboards do? - Mark From ryan at ryanheise.com Sat Jun 24 00:29:14 2006 From: ryan at ryanheise.com (Ryan Heise) Date: Sat Jun 24 00:29:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi streaming Message-ID: <20060624142914.A5557@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> Is there a way to play midi from a URL while it is downloading? timidity http://... doesn't, it waits until the entire file has downloaded before playing. pmidi only accepts a filename, not a url. Timidity++ and fluidsynth are able to act as servers that respond to midi events in realtime, but is there an easy way to hook this feature up to read events from a url stream while it is being downloaded? Thanks for any suggestions, -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/ From _ at whats-your.name Sat Jun 24 00:43:48 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sat Jun 24 00:43:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi streaming In-Reply-To: <20060624142914.A5557@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> References: <20060624142914.A5557@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> Message-ID: <20060624044348.GE2312@replic.net> On Sat Jun 24, 2006 at 02:29:14PM +1000, Ryan Heise wrote: > Is there a way to play midi from a URL while it is downloading? > > timidity http://... doesn't, it waits until the entire file has > downloaded before playing. pmidi only accepts a filename, not a url. > > Timidity++ and fluidsynth are able to act as servers that respond to > midi events in realtime, but is there an easy way to hook this feature > up to read events from a url stream while it is being downloaded? im not sure theres an wasy way (uless writing your own program to do it is easy). try audacious. maybe it is up to the task. it can play mp3s over htttp before theyre done downloading anyways.. > > Thanks for any suggestions, > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/ > From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sat Jun 24 02:13:51 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sat Jun 24 02:15:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "on stage" pc In-Reply-To: <2def88b80606231222l6129f697n412f5a1a0812a03e@mail.gmail.com> References: <449BCD52.60209@herhoffer.net> <2def88b80606231222l6129f697n412f5a1a0812a03e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <449CD81F.9050904@boosthardware.com> Arnold Krille wrote: > Hi, > > untested comments follow: > > 2006/6/23, Markus Herhoffer : >> I need a recommendation for a sound card or USB device for a PC that >> will serve as sequencer and virtual instrument on stage. I need a cheap >> yet powerful sound card with the following features: >> - - about 4 ins and 4 outs. (If there are more, the sound engineer >> will go >> crazy) >> - - ultra low latency >> - - compatible to be built into a 19'' rack. >> - - MIDI-In/Out > > M-Audio has the Delta 44 which is 4in and 4out. With a small > breakout-box to jack in your cables... > PCI has the advantage that rather a lot of cards are tested and > functional on linux. > > If you prefer USB, you won't find 4x4 devices. Because usb1.1 can only > carry four streams reliable (which is stereo in and out) and usb2.0 > hasn't an audio standard, so most of these devices don't work on > linux. That's not quite true. I have a usb-1.0 maudio usb quattro 4x4 which can do four channels at latency of 128 on my 2.6Ghz celeron. However if you want true low latency then you should go for pcmcia/pci or (mostly untested but highly anticipated) firewire devices with freebob. Cheers -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Jun 24 05:23:59 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Jun 24 05:24:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [admin] linux-audio-* maintainer wanted... In-Reply-To: <449ACFF6.9050501@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <449ACFF6.9050501@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <20060624092359.GA7310@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 07:14:30PM +0200, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote: > > due to post-academic stress syndrome (read: i'm getting a real job ;), i > would like to resign from being maintainer of the linux-audio-* lists. > lately i haven't been able to keep up with the lists as much as i would > have liked to, and i feel it's time for new people to take over. Congrats and thank you for your work :) What exactly does maintainership of the lists encompass? > as an added bonus, there is also the job of cleaning up the old > lad.linuxaudio.org page, throwing out all the obsolete stuff (i.e. > everything except the subscription information and the contrib/ section) > and maybe linking to all the excellent documentation efforts elsewhere :) Now this I might be interested in. --- Thorsten Wilms From markus at herhoffer.net Sat Jun 24 05:23:39 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Sat Jun 24 05:24:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "on stage" pc In-Reply-To: <449BCD52.60209@herhoffer.net> References: <449BCD52.60209@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <449D049B.8040003@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for the recommendations! What do you think about a classical pci-card with cables and a customized break-out panel for the 19" rack? On http://www.schaeffer-apparatebau.de you can order a customized panel for less than 40?. Cinch sockets are less than 1?. Markus Markus Herhoffer wrote: > Hello! > > I need a recommendation for a sound card or USB device for a PC that > will serve as sequencer and virtual instrument on stage. I need a cheap > yet powerful sound card with the following features: > > - about 4 ins and 4 outs. (If there are more, the sound engineer will go > crazy) > - ultra low latency > - compatible to be built into a 19'' rack. > - MIDI-In/Out > > Any ideas? > > Markus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEnQSbuXdsp50C0vMRAsJWAJ4iI51yjlNcXROHw7UX6g8aWy4sZwCfSTpO j6BmMMVaFXN1j+GtbXv1rGg= =41Wi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fbar at footils.org Sat Jun 24 06:12:55 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Jun 24 06:13:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi streaming In-Reply-To: <20060624142914.A5557@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> References: <20060624142914.A5557@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> Message-ID: <20060624101255.GE10778@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Ryan Heise hat gesagt: // Ryan Heise wrote: > Is there a way to play midi from a URL while it is downloading? > > timidity http://... doesn't, it waits until the entire file has > downloaded before playing. pmidi only accepts a filename, not a url. > > Timidity++ and fluidsynth are able to act as servers that respond to > midi events in realtime, but is there an easy way to hook this feature > up to read events from a url stream while it is being downloaded? Maybe this (untesteed): $ wget -O /dev/midi http://midi.com/midifily.mid Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Jun 24 06:18:12 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Jun 24 06:18:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200606241118.12548.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 20 June 2006 20:52, R Parker was like: > I love Linux, I hate Linux...it never ends. I'm gonna > poke out one of my eyes, fill the socket with salt and > run around preaching the virtues of open source > software to anyone I can get to listen to me. OK, I > don't feel any better but will shutup. Hey, you're not alone. Tequila mockingbird anyone?-) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From jacob01 at gmx.net Sat Jun 24 06:41:08 2006 From: jacob01 at gmx.net (Jacob) Date: Sat Jun 24 06:40:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi streaming In-Reply-To: <20060624142914.A5557@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> References: <20060624142914.A5557@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> Message-ID: <20060624104108.GE31408@localhost> On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 02:29:14PM +1000, Ryan Heise wrote: > Is there a way to play midi from a URL while it is downloading? Concerning .mid files: IIRC they may be composed of serveral tracks (not to be confused with MIDI channels) that will be played simultaneously (the 1st containing general information like speed changes). The problem here is, that the tracks come one after the other within the file. So, streaming .mid files is probably only sensible, if there is only one huge track and if this track is the last one. OTOH, you might get interesting results (similar to rendering interlaced images) if you start immediatly with the first track and add the others (with the right time offset of course) as soon as they are available ;-) Yours, Jacob From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Jun 24 07:02:54 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Jun 24 07:03:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1150833767.2754.155.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200606241202.56473.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 20 June 2006 21:02, Lee Revell was like: > Wow. ?Is my position on closed source drivers really considered > extremist on this list? ?It's shared by about 95% of people on the > kernel list. No, your position isn't extreme. It is simply because you do not pull your punches or pad out your answers with social fluff that your answers come across as a bit harsh sometimes. It may not be immediately obvious to everyone that you keep answering questions because you deeply care about the Linux Audio community. In the same way, it may not be obvious that the occasional digs you may receive from some of the more er, light-hearted members of this community are slightly twisted acknowledgements of the value of your contributions. Dealing with piss-taking creative lunatics is all part of the territory. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim "Ashes, ashes, all fall down." From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Jun 24 07:28:06 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Jun 24 07:28:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <2def88b80606210536i19cb6cedkb08b72bcf2531deb@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060621041126.28278.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200606210101.40077.lau@kudla.org> <2def88b80606210536i19cb6cedkb08b72bcf2531deb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200606241228.07285.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 21 June 2006 13:36, Arnold Krille was like: > 2006/6/21, Rob : > > I keep all > > that stuff on a usb memory key on my keychain and update it > > whenever I remember to, because when people know that you're a > > total tool they tend to ask you for help a lot. > > But they stop if you say something like "I am only a linux freak, my > last windows-experience is long ago..." > And even more of them stop asking if you admit that you are a > linux-software-developer, not concerned with ether hardware nor > windows... Yeah, I just flutter my eyelids blondely and tell them that I'm not clever enough to fix Windows and I don't use Dreamweaver because it makes me feel stupid and try not to let them know I'm now one of the sysadmins for the town's main server. Heh. Ooops!-) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Jun 24 07:53:25 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Jun 24 07:53:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <8764iusi0s.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8764iusi0s.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <200606241253.27240.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 21 June 2006 15:25, Esben Stien was like: > Tomorrows desktop is 3d accelerated. This is true. To think otherwise is to completely underestimate the market. True that this list is solely interested in audio, however, there are enough of us that want fully operational multimedia systems for reasons that aren't entirely to do with being gamer-fanboys that these issues should not be ignored. I will point out that I'm still using a Voodoo3, the driver for which I fully expect to disappear into obsolescence anytime soon unfortunately. Then I will have to do some soul-searching. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From ryan at ryanheise.com Sat Jun 24 08:02:02 2006 From: ryan at ryanheise.com (Ryan Heise) Date: Sat Jun 24 08:02:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi streaming In-Reply-To: <20060624104108.GE31408@localhost>; from jacob01@gmx.net on Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:41:08PM +0200 References: <20060624142914.A5557@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <20060624104108.GE31408@localhost> Message-ID: <20060624220202.A23070@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:41:08PM +0200, Jacob wrote: > The problem here is, that the tracks come one after the other within the file. > So, streaming .mid files is probably only sensible, if there is only one > huge track and if this track is the last one. > > OTOH, you might get interesting results (similar to rendering interlaced > images) if you start immediatly with the first track and add the others > (with the right time offset of course) as soon as they are available ;-) I see.. Can a midi file be reformated to have just a single track, while preserving the different instruments for each note? Assuming there is no tool yet that can play streaming midi, what is the basic idea of how it should work? Does it just copy verbatim the midi data read from the socket (in the midi file format) to the midi device? Or does the midi device accept a different protocol? (e.g. with no timestamps, so that the tool must inspect the timing information in the midi file stream and then send events to the midi device only at the correct times according to the timing information) Or, is there a tool that does this? -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/ From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Sat Jun 24 08:28:12 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Sat Jun 24 08:28:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <449BCE2E.2070103@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <002d01c69789$b23a5980$3c4ffea9@64BitBadass> FWIW, second that. As some of you may be already aware (definitely Thorsten ;-), I am a sucker for a more "curved" design (although not as curvy as Apple's). Hence, I'd like to see some more of that in addition to Patrick's comments... Best wishes, Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Patrick Shirkey > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:19 AM > To: A list for linux audio users > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI > > Loki Davison wrote: > > > > > > I'm voting for b. > > > > B is easy on the eyes but there's not much to it. > > IMO it would be nice to have a skin that has some flava. After all this > will be for the "uber cool" Linux Audio Users FAQ and not for the > stuffed shirt Linux Audio Devs. If a Dev needs to read the FAQ they will > just have to grit there teeth and bear the uncomfortable feeling of > being in a site where style is put before functionality... > > Anyhow, I know Thorsten can do something a lot funkier than those first > too and I'm sure there are others who could too. > > > -- > Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. > Http://www.boosthardware.com > Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide > ======================================== > > "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will > become reality" - Macka B From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Jun 24 09:56:17 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Jun 24 09:46:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [admin] linux-audio-* maintainer wanted... In-Reply-To: <20060624092359.GA7310@charly.SWORD> References: <449ACFF6.9050501@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20060624092359.GA7310@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <449D4481.30008@woh.rr.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: >On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 07:14:30PM +0200, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote: > > >>due to post-academic stress syndrome (read: i'm getting a real job ;), i >>would like to resign from being maintainer of the linux-audio-* lists. >>lately i haven't been able to keep up with the lists as much as i would >>have liked to, and i feel it's time for new people to take over. >> >> > >Congrats and thank you for your work :) > > I'd simply like to echo Thorsten's congratulations. Joern has done wonderful work for all of us with his conscientious maintenance (think: "herding cats") and we have all benefitted from his unsung labors. Thank you, Joern, and I hope to buy you more than one beer in Berlin next year. :) Best regards, dp From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sat Jun 24 12:32:14 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sat Jun 24 12:31:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "on stage" pc In-Reply-To: References: <449BCD52.60209@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <1151166734.10221.90.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 20:53 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Finally, for the ultra high end (my dream card), there is the Apogee > Ensemble FireWire that offers the famous Apogee D/A converters and four > Apogee Pre-Amps. This is my dream card. (19") It is untested with linux. personally, i think that combining converters with the computer audio interface is silly in general, and ridiculous at the "high end". you can buy an apogee standalone converter and connect it to any computer audio interface via ADAT, S/PDIF or other protocols. then, when you have to sell the apogee to pay for your next house or apartment, you can replace it with a cheap fostex unit, and keep your audio computer alive and functioning. From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sat Jun 24 13:02:09 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sat Jun 24 13:03:30 2006 Subject: LAU content [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card?] In-Reply-To: References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <449980F1.8040101@woh.rr.com> <1150914934.2754.299.camel@mindpipe> <200606211525.33455.lau@kudla.org> <449A1B7D.1000006@boosthardware.com> <449A1C9E.3030407@hassard.net> <1150950731.2235.2.camel@mindpipe> <449A2047.2000009@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <449D7011.5030906@boosthardware.com> Loki Davison wrote: > > > hopefully we can migrate as much other current info there as possible. > Especially the handy stuff that used to be on tapas's wiki. Wasn't > there a project to migrate dave's linux sound pages to some kind of > wiki? > > Loki > If you or anyone else has this content we can definitely host it or integrate into lau.linuxaudio.org Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From lau at kudla.org Sat Jun 24 12:05:21 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Sat Jun 24 13:25:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <200606241253.27240.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8764iusi0s.fsf@esben-stien.name> <200606241253.27240.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <200606241205.22101.lau@kudla.org> On Sat June 24 2006 07:53, tim hall wrote: > should not be ignored. I will point out that I'm still using a > Voodoo3, the driver for which I fully expect to disappear into > obsolescence anytime soon unfortunately. Then I will have to > do some soul-searching. We had to run out and get a cheap nvidia card for my partner's workstation (go ahead, try to find a card in a brick and mortar shop that's neither ATI or Nvidia, and that 6 year old Matrox card your local boardbender hasn't been able to sell all this time doesn't count) after I installed Mandriva 2006 and discovered that it would no longer do 3D acceleration on his voodoo3, so that day may already be here depending on your distro. Rob From lau at kudla.org Sat Jun 24 12:17:57 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Sat Jun 24 13:29:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <200606241228.07285.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060621041126.28278.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2def88b80606210536i19cb6cedkb08b72bcf2531deb@mail.gmail.com> <200606241228.07285.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <200606241217.58067.lau@kudla.org> On Sat June 24 2006 07:28, tim hall wrote: > > > I keep all > > > that stuff on a usb memory key on my keychain and update > > > it whenever I remember to, because when people know that > > > you're a total tool they tend to ask you for help a lot. > > But they stop if you say something like "I am only a linux > > freak, my last windows-experience is long ago..." > Yeah, I just flutter my eyelids blondely and tell them that > I'm not clever enough to fix Windows and I don't use I was telling people for a while that I'm not familiar with Windows anymore, but honestly, I've had to look at so many compromised, virus infected, registry corrupted, spyware infested or otherwise turd-burgled XP installations in the last two years that I can't pretend to be unfamiliar with it anymore.... that and when someone bats his or her eyes at me and says pretty please, I am easily swayed. I'm not the guy who buys the "No, I will not fix your computer" T-shirt from Thinkgeek. My solution used to be to hand them a copy of Knoppix and say to use that as a backup, but my social circle and family includes many AOL users and gamers, not to mention the shift towards laptops with wifi chipsets that can't be set up without an hour and a half of nerd intervention. That, and the tendency of people to go, "You fixed my computer once, now come back and fix it again" increases by an order of magnitude when I give them Linux. Sometimes you just gotta know what your limits are. Rob From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jun 24 13:37:11 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jun 24 13:37:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <200606241205.22101.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060620195235.85287.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8764iusi0s.fsf@esben-stien.name> <200606241253.27240.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200606241205.22101.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1151170632.2931.145.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 12:05 -0400, Rob wrote: > On Sat June 24 2006 07:53, tim hall wrote: > > should not be ignored. I will point out that I'm still using a > > Voodoo3, the driver for which I fully expect to disappear into > > obsolescence anytime soon unfortunately. Then I will have to > > do some soul-searching. > > We had to run out and get a cheap nvidia card for my partner's > workstation (go ahead, try to find a card in a brick and mortar > shop that's neither ATI or Nvidia, and that 6 year old Matrox > card your local boardbender hasn't been able to sell all this > time doesn't count) after I installed Mandriva 2006 and > discovered that it would no longer do 3D acceleration on his > voodoo3, so that day may already be here depending on your > distro. I call that a bug, and would have replaced the distro, not the hardware. Lee From njcross at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 24 14:09:34 2006 From: njcross at sbcglobal.net (njcross@sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat Jun 24 13:51:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl Message-ID: <200606241109.34915.njcross@sbcglobal.net> > On 6/23/06, Stephen Cameron wrote: > > > I don't think that midi control data sends midi note on/note off >>>specific > > > commands. > > > Dunno, maybe I'm wrong. > > > > > > > I suspect I do not know what "midi control data" is. > > > > -- steve > > > > MIDI Controller? > > Stuff like pitch bend, sustain, etc. Not the notes but the other stuff > that synths and keyboards do? > > - Mark Yes, I need to transform pitchbend or sustain etc (I can choose) continuous controller data into midi note data. The program I've got spews out ctrl data and I want it to send midi note data instead. There must be a linux program that can do that? n. From bourdon at kabelfoon.net Sat Jun 24 14:00:00 2006 From: bourdon at kabelfoon.net (Bert Visser) Date: Sat Jun 24 14:00:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl In-Reply-To: <200606241109.34915.njcross@sbcglobal.net> References: <200606241109.34915.njcross@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <449D7DA0.90106@kabelfoon.net> njcross@sbcglobal.net schreef: >> On 6/23/06, Stephen Cameron wrote: >> >>>> I don't think that midi control data sends midi note on/note off >>>> specific >>>> commands. >>>> Dunno, maybe I'm wrong. >>>> >>>> >>> I suspect I do not know what "midi control data" is. >>> >>> -- steve >>> >>> >> MIDI Controller? >> >> Stuff like pitch bend, sustain, etc. Not the notes but the other stuff >> that synths and keyboards do? >> >> - Mark >> > > Yes, I need to transform pitchbend or sustain etc (I can choose) continuous > controller data into midi note data. > The program I've got spews out ctrl data and I want it to send midi note data > instead. There must be a linux program that can do that? > n. > > Take a look at Qmidiroute; perhaps this is what you are looking for. Regards, Bert From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jun 24 14:01:03 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jun 24 14:01:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl In-Reply-To: <200606241109.34915.njcross@sbcglobal.net> References: <200606241109.34915.njcross@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1151172064.2931.150.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 11:09 -0700, njcross@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > On 6/23/06, Stephen Cameron wrote: > > > > I don't think that midi control data sends midi note on/note off > >>>specific > > > > commands. > > > > Dunno, maybe I'm wrong. > > > > > > > > > > I suspect I do not know what "midi control data" is. > > > > > > -- steve > > > > > > > MIDI Controller? > > > > Stuff like pitch bend, sustain, etc. Not the notes but the other stuff > > that synths and keyboards do? > > > > - Mark > > Yes, I need to transform pitchbend or sustain etc (I can choose) continuous > controller data into midi note data. > The program I've got spews out ctrl data and I want it to send midi note data > instead. There must be a linux program that can do that? Why would you expect there to be an app that can do this? It's a very strange thing to want to do. How do you expect control data to be mapped to note on/note off? You can of course write your own program to do this. Lee From klaus.kosten at gmx.de Sat Jun 24 14:06:11 2006 From: klaus.kosten at gmx.de (Klaus Kosten) Date: Sat Jun 24 14:05:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl In-Reply-To: <200606241109.34915.njcross@sbcglobal.net> References: <200606241109.34915.njcross@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <449D7F13.6040902@gmx.de> njcross@sbcglobal.net schrieb: > > Yes, I need to transform pitchbend or sustain etc (I can choose) continuous > controller data into midi note data. > The program I've got spews out ctrl data and I want it to send midi note data > instead. There must be a linux program that can do that? > n. > > I know that such programs exist for other OS?s, even as Freeware, but i don?t know about such a beast for linux. I always wanted to write one, but the ALSA documentation kept me from doing so. Klaus -- From arnold.krille at gmail.com Sat Jun 24 14:11:31 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Sat Jun 24 14:11:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <200606241217.58067.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060621041126.28278.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2def88b80606210536i19cb6cedkb08b72bcf2531deb@mail.gmail.com> <200606241228.07285.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200606241217.58067.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <2def88b80606241111t9d9e83lc49688f3afbe379d@mail.gmail.com> Hi, 2006/6/24, Rob : > I'm not the guy who > buys the "No, I will not fix your computer" T-shirt from > Thinkgeek. I haven't bought that t-shirt either... > My solution used to be to hand them a copy of Knoppix and say to > use that as a backup, but my social circle and family includes > many AOL users and gamers, not to mention the shift towards > laptops with wifi chipsets that can't be set up without an hour > and a half of nerd intervention. That, and the tendency of > people to go, "You fixed my computer once, now come back and fix > it again" increases by an order of magnitude when I give them > Linux. Sometimes you just gotta know what your limits are. Funny thing is that even my girlfriend realised the advantage of me not giving support for "friend": More time with her ;-) Thats why I tell them that I am a software-DEVELOPER and otherwise hardware and software just has to work for me (which is the reason I no longer use windows if there isn't a real good reason like UT or Corel Draw [*]). BTW: I am one of those nvidia-binary-users. :-) And it works, even with low-latency-audio and semitransparent windows. Seeing ardours meters behind the tracks _is_ nice! Have a nice weekend, Arnold [*] Yes, I know. Ut can be run on linux too and inkscape is a good replacement for Corel, but the files are in Corel and currently I only have to do minor modifications on them. Not enough to switch them over to svg... PPS: Wir werden Weltmeister! -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jun 24 14:13:31 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jun 24 14:13:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl In-Reply-To: <449D7F13.6040902@gmx.de> References: <200606241109.34915.njcross@sbcglobal.net> <449D7F13.6040902@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1151172811.2931.151.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 20:06 +0200, Klaus Kosten wrote: > njcross@sbcglobal.net schrieb: > > > > > Yes, I need to transform pitchbend or sustain etc (I can choose) continuous > > controller data into midi note data. > > The program I've got spews out ctrl data and I want it to send midi note data > > instead. There must be a linux program that can do that? > > n. > > > > > > I know that such programs exist for other OS?s, even as Freeware, but i > don?t know about such a beast for linux. I always wanted to write one, > but the ALSA documentation kept me from doing so. Huh? The ALSA sequencer is well documented. And there are plenty of working apps you can use as an example. Lee From _ at whats-your.name Sat Jun 24 14:15:08 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sat Jun 24 14:16:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl In-Reply-To: <1151172064.2931.150.camel@mindpipe> References: <200606241109.34915.njcross@sbcglobal.net> <1151172064.2931.150.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060624181508.GG2312@replic.net> > > Yes, I need to transform pitchbend or sustain etc (I can choose) continuous > > controller data into midi note data. > > The program I've got spews out ctrl data and I want it to send midi note data > > instead. There must be a linux program that can do that? > > Why would you expect there to be an app that can do this? It's a very > strange thing to want to do. i get this on other lists, and its annoying. people should just assume poeple want to do unconventional things.. > > How do you expect control data to be mapped to note on/note off? > > You can of course write your own program to do this. or use pd > > Lee > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jun 24 14:19:08 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jun 24 14:19:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl In-Reply-To: <1151172811.2931.151.camel@mindpipe> References: <200606241109.34915.njcross@sbcglobal.net> <449D7F13.6040902@gmx.de> <1151172811.2931.151.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1151173148.2931.153.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 14:13 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 20:06 +0200, Klaus Kosten wrote: > > njcross@sbcglobal.net schrieb: > > > > > > > > Yes, I need to transform pitchbend or sustain etc (I can choose) continuous > > > controller data into midi note data. > > > The program I've got spews out ctrl data and I want it to send midi note data > > > instead. There must be a linux program that can do that? > > > n. > > > > > > > > > > I know that such programs exist for other OS?s, even as Freeware, but i > > don?t know about such a beast for linux. I always wanted to write one, > > but the ALSA documentation kept me from doing so. > > Huh? The ALSA sequencer is well documented. And there are plenty of > working apps you can use as an example. > Here is the documentation: http://www.alsa-project.org/~frank/alsa-sequencer/ Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jun 24 14:21:58 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jun 24 14:22:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl In-Reply-To: <20060624181508.GG2312@replic.net> References: <200606241109.34915.njcross@sbcglobal.net> <1151172064.2931.150.camel@mindpipe> <20060624181508.GG2312@replic.net> Message-ID: <1151173318.2931.155.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 18:15 +0000, carmen wrote: > > > Yes, I need to transform pitchbend or sustain etc (I can choose) continuous > > > controller data into midi note data. > > > The program I've got spews out ctrl data and I want it to send midi note data > > > instead. There must be a linux program that can do that? > > > > Why would you expect there to be an app that can do this? It's a very > > strange thing to want to do. > > i get this on other lists, and its annoying. people should just assume poeple want to do unconventional things.. > Of course, but if you want to do something unconventional you can't assume there will already be an app that can do it. > > > > How do you expect control data to be mapped to note on/note off? > > > > You can of course write your own program to do this. > > or use pd > > > > > Lee > > > From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sat Jun 24 14:26:42 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sat Jun 24 14:26:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl In-Reply-To: <1151172064.2931.150.camel@mindpipe> References: <200606241109.34915.njcross@sbcglobal.net> <1151172064.2931.150.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060624182642.GB5950@linux-1.site> On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 02:01:03PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > Yes, I need to transform pitchbend or sustain etc (I can choose) continuous > > controller data into midi note data. > > The program I've got spews out ctrl data and I want it to send midi note data > > instead. There must be a linux program that can do that? > > Why would you expect there to be an app that can do this? It's a very > strange thing to want to do. > > How do you expect control data to be mapped to note on/note off? > You can of course write your own program to do this. Indeed. There must be zillions of ways to do such a mapping, even if it stateless - which is probably not what you want. You really can't expect any app to do this unless you 'program' it yourself in a sense. -- FA Follie! Follie! Delirio vano e' questo! From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Sat Jun 24 14:30:01 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Sat Jun 24 14:30:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: midi ctrl In-Reply-To: <20060624181353.917611EAB7BE@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060624181353.917611EAB7BE@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: "njcross@sbcglobal.net": >> On 6/23/06, Stephen Cameron wrote: >>>> I don't think that midi control data sends midi note on/note off >>>> specific >>>> commands. >>>> Dunno, maybe I'm wrong. >>>> >>> >>> I suspect I do not know what "midi control data" is. >>> >>> -- steve >>> >> >> MIDI Controller? >> >> Stuff like pitch bend, sustain, etc. Not the notes but the other stuff >> that synths and keyboards do? >> >> - Mark > > Yes, I need to transform pitchbend or sustain etc (I can choose) continuous > controller data into midi note data. > The program I've got spews out ctrl data and I want it to send midi note data > instead. There must be a linux program that can do that? Have you looked at the program called "amidimap"? I think it might do what you want. From arnold.krille at gmail.com Sat Jun 24 14:39:52 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Sat Jun 24 14:40:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "on stage" pc In-Reply-To: <449D049B.8040003@herhoffer.net> References: <449BCD52.60209@herhoffer.net> <449D049B.8040003@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <2def88b80606241139m4f7f6e0aic00f3e6b6874077b@mail.gmail.com> 2006/6/24, Markus Herhoffer : > What do you think about a classical pci-card with cables and a > customized break-out panel for the 19" rack? On > http://www.schaeffer-apparatebau.de you can order a customized panel for > less than 40?. Cinch sockets are less than 1?. As long as your definition of "classical pci-card" doesnt contain low-grade consumer cards. If it does, forget it. The technician will kill you for the low quality and high noise, your band and the audience will probably kill you as well for the bad sound. Most (perhaps even all) of the quality products (pci-based) already have a breakoutbox or a lot of cables. Because they aren't satisfied with stereo-mini-jacks and there isn't much space for normal-sized jacks or even XLR sockets on a pci-slot... Arnold PS: My current dream setup apart from Firewire is that RME with 3x adat-io and a cheap behringer ada800(0?) for the start (2x ~200?). Extendible andfully digital, if you have enough money, buy a second ad/da and/or throw out the behringer... -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From njcross at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 24 15:15:10 2006 From: njcross at sbcglobal.net (njcross@sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat Jun 24 14:56:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: midi ctrl Message-ID: <200606241215.10322.njcross@sbcglobal.net> > On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 11:09 -0700, njcross@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > On 6/23/06, Stephen Cameron wrote: > > > > > I don't think that midi control data sends midi note on/note off > > >>>specific > > > > > commands. > > > > > Dunno, maybe I'm wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect I do not know what "midi control data" is. > > > > > > > > -- steve > > > > > > > > > > MIDI Controller? > > > > > > Stuff like pitch bend, sustain, etc. Not the notes but the other stuff > > > that synths and keyboards do? > > > > > > - Mark > > > > Yes, I need to transform pitchbend or sustain etc (I can choose) continuous > > controller data into midi note data. > > The program I've got spews out ctrl data and I want it to send midi note data > > instead. There must be a linux program that can do that? > > Why would you expect there to be an app that can do this? It's a very > strange thing to want to do. > > How do you expect control data to be mapped to note on/note off? > > You can of course write your own program to do this. > > Lee > > > njcross@sbcglobal.net schrieb: > > > > > Yes, I need to transform pitchbend or sustain etc (I can choose) continuous > > controller data into midi note data. > > The program I've got spews out ctrl data and I want it to send midi note data > > instead. There must be a linux program that can do that? > > n. > > > > > > I know that such programs exist for other OS?s, even as Freeware, but i > don?t know about such a beast for linux. I always wanted to write one, > but the ALSA documentation kept me from doing so. > > Klaus There's a wonderful little midi program called raton for linux and the interface is very intuitive, it's like conducting your composition into creation, er, or would be if it would send out note data and (for me) quarter note flat and sharp notes, besides the midi control data. I kinda (badly) set up something close to this in Max/msp many years ago and it helped me get over myself, musically of course! Brian Eno used to bang on about intuitive interfaces to aid compostion etc as well. From markus at herhoffer.net Sat Jun 24 15:32:14 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Sat Jun 24 15:32:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "on stage" pc In-Reply-To: <2def88b80606241139m4f7f6e0aic00f3e6b6874077b@mail.gmail.com> References: <449BCD52.60209@herhoffer.net> <449D049B.8040003@herhoffer.net> <2def88b80606241139m4f7f6e0aic00f3e6b6874077b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <449D933E.6080401@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > As long as your definition of "classical pci-card" doesnt contain > low-grade consumer cards. If it does, forget it. The technician will > kill you for the low quality and high noise, your band and the > audience will probably kill you as well for the bad sound. I would count the ESI Maya 44 as a "classical pci-card". Markus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEnZM+uXdsp50C0vMRApOvAJ9EZ86hawt1XTNnrnb+d71M9KuBugCePfg5 GqZUEW8C5YxgZUXNGmTWNjM= =/48g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From njcross at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 24 15:55:35 2006 From: njcross at sbcglobal.net (njcross@sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat Jun 24 15:37:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: midi ctrl Message-ID: <200606241255.35937.njcross@sbcglobal.net> > Bert Visser wrote: > > njcross@sbcglobal.net schreef: > >> On 6/23/06, Stephen Cameron wrote: > >> > >>>> I don't think that midi control data sends midi note on/note off > >>>> specific > >>>> commands. > >>>> Dunno, maybe I'm wrong. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> I suspect I do not know what "midi control data" is. > >>> > >>> -- steve > >>> > >>> > >> MIDI Controller? > >> > >> Stuff like pitch bend, sustain, etc. Not the notes but the other stuff > >> that synths and keyboards do? > >> > >> - Mark > >> > > > > Yes, I need to transform pitchbend or sustain etc (I can choose) continuous > > controller data into midi note data. > > The program I've got spews out ctrl data and I want it to send midi note data > > instead. There must be a linux program that can do that? > > n. > > > > > Take a look at Qmidiroute; perhaps this is what you are looking for. > > Regards, > Bert > Actually, I thought I could make Qmidiroute do that, but I just can't either figure it out or it won't do it - it still ends up as midi controller data. This is probably my error. n. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jun 24 15:40:38 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jun 24 15:40:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl In-Reply-To: <449D7F13.6040902@gmx.de> References: <200606241109.34915.njcross@sbcglobal.net> <449D7F13.6040902@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1151178038.2931.172.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 20:06 +0200, Klaus Kosten wrote: > njcross@sbcglobal.net schrieb: > > > > > Yes, I need to transform pitchbend or sustain etc (I can choose) continuous > > controller data into midi note data. > > The program I've got spews out ctrl data and I want it to send midi note data > > instead. There must be a linux program that can do that? > > n. > > > > > > I know that such programs exist for other OS?s, even as Freeware, but i > don?t know about such a beast for linux. I always wanted to write one, > but the ALSA documentation kept me from doing so. > Here is some more ALSA sequencer documentation: http://www.suse.de/~mana/alsa090_howto.html#sect04 Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jun 24 15:45:08 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jun 24 15:45:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: midi ctrl In-Reply-To: <200606241255.35937.njcross@sbcglobal.net> References: <200606241255.35937.njcross@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1151178308.2931.178.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 12:55 -0700, njcross@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Actually, I thought I could make Qmidiroute do that, but I just can't > either > figure it out or it won't do it - it still ends up as midi controller > data. > This is probably my error. You STILL have not explained what you want the mapping from MIDI controler data to note on/off to be. Lee From klaus.kosten at gmx.de Sat Jun 24 15:58:40 2006 From: klaus.kosten at gmx.de (Klaus Kosten) Date: Sat Jun 24 15:58:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl In-Reply-To: <1151178038.2931.172.camel@mindpipe> References: <200606241109.34915.njcross@sbcglobal.net> <449D7F13.6040902@gmx.de> <1151178038.2931.172.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <449D9970.6010004@gmx.de> Lee Revell schrieb: > On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 20:06 +0200, Klaus Kosten wrote: > >>njcross@sbcglobal.net schrieb: >> >> >>>Yes, I need to transform pitchbend or sustain etc (I can choose) continuous >>>controller data into midi note data. >>>The program I've got spews out ctrl data and I want it to send midi note data >>>instead. There must be a linux program that can do that? >>>n. >>> >>> >> >>I know that such programs exist for other OS?s, even as Freeware, but i >>don?t know about such a beast for linux. I always wanted to write one, >>but the ALSA documentation kept me from doing so. >> > > > Here is some more ALSA sequencer documentation: > > http://www.suse.de/~mana/alsa090_howto.html#sect04 > > Lee > > I knew these already, but I think such a filter is better written using raw MIDI data, not a sequencer. This seems to be exactly the problem. Klaus -- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jun 24 16:01:04 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jun 24 16:01:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl In-Reply-To: <449D9970.6010004@gmx.de> References: <200606241109.34915.njcross@sbcglobal.net> <449D7F13.6040902@gmx.de> <1151178038.2931.172.camel@mindpipe> <449D9970.6010004@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1151179264.2931.182.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 21:58 +0200, Klaus Kosten wrote: > Lee Revell schrieb: > > On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 20:06 +0200, Klaus Kosten wrote: > > > >>njcross@sbcglobal.net schrieb: > >> > >> > >>>Yes, I need to transform pitchbend or sustain etc (I can choose) continuous > >>>controller data into midi note data. > >>>The program I've got spews out ctrl data and I want it to send midi note data > >>>instead. There must be a linux program that can do that? > >>>n. > >>> > >>> > >> > >>I know that such programs exist for other OS?s, even as Freeware, but i > >>don?t know about such a beast for linux. I always wanted to write one, > >>but the ALSA documentation kept me from doing so. > >> > > > > > > Here is some more ALSA sequencer documentation: > > > > http://www.suse.de/~mana/alsa090_howto.html#sect04 > > > > Lee > > > > > > I knew these already, but I think such a filter is better written using > raw MIDI data, not a sequencer. This seems to be exactly the problem. You need documentation for that? Just read and write MIDI bytes to the device. Lee From seablaede at gmail.com Sat Jun 24 17:07:10 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sat Jun 24 16:03:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <2def88b80606241111t9d9e83lc49688f3afbe379d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060621041126.28278.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2def88b80606210536i19cb6cedkb08b72bcf2531deb@mail.gmail.com> <200606241228.07285.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200606241217.58067.lau@kudla.org> <2def88b80606241111t9d9e83lc49688f3afbe379d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <449DA97E.5050904@gmail.com> > > BTW: I am one of those nvidia-binary-users. :-) And it works, even > with low-latency-audio and semitransparent windows. Seeing ardours > meters behind the tracks _is_ nice! Hmm I never had a reason to bother with transparency until I read that... Now I am insanely curious. Mind emailing me a link to a screenshot so I can decide if I want to bother? Seablade From arnold.krille at gmail.com Sat Jun 24 16:12:32 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Sat Jun 24 16:12:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <449DA97E.5050904@gmail.com> References: <20060621041126.28278.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2def88b80606210536i19cb6cedkb08b72bcf2531deb@mail.gmail.com> <200606241228.07285.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200606241217.58067.lau@kudla.org> <2def88b80606241111t9d9e83lc49688f3afbe379d@mail.gmail.com> <449DA97E.5050904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80606241312g43ccaa47kfbf726e1667ddb34@mail.gmail.com> 2006/6/24, Thomas Vecchione : > > BTW: I am one of those nvidia-binary-users. :-) And it works, even > > with low-latency-audio and semitransparent windows. Seeing ardours > > meters behind the tracks _is_ nice! > Hmm I never had a reason to bother with transparency until I read that... > Now I am insanely curious. Mind emailing me a link to a screenshot so I > can decide if I want to bother? Well, I didn't have much time for making music lately. Maybe I have one on monday. Stay tuned... Furthermore even if transparency is done on the graphics board, it still takes up more cpu-cycles. So my fine sessions with ~10 TAP-plugins and Jamin and hydrogen + transparency take up way to much cpu-power (over 50% that is). But even without transparency the speedup of graphics using the full potential of the card (instead of the main processor) is nice... I even went back to "Redraw windows while moving" instead of "Only show window-borders while moving". :-) Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Jun 24 16:33:33 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Jun 24 16:34:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <002d01c69789$b23a5980$3c4ffea9@64BitBadass> References: <449BCE2E.2070103@boosthardware.com> <002d01c69789$b23a5980$3c4ffea9@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <20060624203333.GE7310@charly.SWORD> On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 08:28:12AM -0400, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > FWIW, second that. As some of you may be already aware (definitely Thorsten > ;-), I am a sucker for a more "curved" design (although not as curvy as > Apple's). Hence, I'd like to see some more of that in addition to Patrick's > comments... How's this? http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/lau-wiki_02_i.png -- Thorsten Wilms From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Jun 24 17:04:03 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Jun 24 16:53:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl In-Reply-To: <1151172064.2931.150.camel@mindpipe> References: <200606241109.34915.njcross@sbcglobal.net> <1151172064.2931.150.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <449DA8C3.9030903@woh.rr.com> Lee Revell wrote: >>Yes, I need to transform pitchbend or sustain etc (I can choose) continuous >>controller data into midi note data. >>The program I've got spews out ctrl data and I want it to send midi note data >>instead. There must be a linux program that can do that? >> >> > >Why would you expect there to be an app that can do this? It's a very >strange thing to want to do. > > As William Gibson puts it, "The street finds its own uses for these things". MIDI event mapping isn't a very strange thing at all, unless you can't imagine any uses for it. >How do you expect control data to be mapped to note on/note off? > >You can of course write your own program to do this. > > Or he can use Pd, as others point out. To the original poster: Pd can easily do what you want, but you should be aware that there is some variety in the types of MIDI continuous controllers that you may have to consider. Many controllers, such as mod wheel or volume control, define the same range of values as note-on/off messages, i.e., 0 to 127. In those cases the mapping is straightforward. However, pitch bend has a range from -32768 to 32768 (IIRC), so the mapping is not linear. It is also possible to append an extension message to controllers 0-31 that raises their resolution from 128 steps to 16384. So you have something to think about before assuming the map is 1 to 1. My advice: Try Pd, it's a delight anyway, and you'll have advice and encouragement from Frank Barknecht, a true Pd virtuoso. We await the day that the Yamaha MEP4 appears as a standalone Linux binary. ;) Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Jun 24 17:07:28 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Jun 24 16:57:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060624203333.GE7310@charly.SWORD> References: <449BCE2E.2070103@boosthardware.com> <002d01c69789$b23a5980$3c4ffea9@64BitBadass> <20060624203333.GE7310@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <449DA990.9090902@woh.rr.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: >How's this? >http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/lau-wiki_02_i.png > > Very nice, I like it. From seablaede at gmail.com Sat Jun 24 18:17:56 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sat Jun 24 17:13:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <2def88b80606241312g43ccaa47kfbf726e1667ddb34@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060621041126.28278.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2def88b80606210536i19cb6cedkb08b72bcf2531deb@mail.gmail.com> <200606241228.07285.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200606241217.58067.lau@kudla.org> <2def88b80606241111t9d9e83lc49688f3afbe379d@mail.gmail.com> <449DA97E.5050904@gmail.com> <2def88b80606241312g43ccaa47kfbf726e1667ddb34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <449DBA14.2080603@gmail.com> > > Furthermore even if transparency is done on the graphics board, it > still takes up more cpu-cycles. So my fine sessions with ~10 > TAP-plugins and Jamin and hydrogen + transparency take up way to much > cpu-power (over 50% that is). Yep that is why I had never bothered in the past, though something like that could be very useful to me so that I can free up desktop space elsewhere. I am actually looking at replaceing my single core processor with twin dual core processors, and as it is it does take a little bit for me to use up most of my processor(But I still do it;) so I can probably afford the cycles if it helps my workflow. That and I already have a NVidia card and dont have a problem using the binary blob;) Though I am safely staying out of this conversation for the time being, Lee and I already discussed viewpoints on this once in recent past, so no need for me to repeat it at the moment I dont think. Seablade From njcross at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 24 17:48:36 2006 From: njcross at sbcglobal.net (njcross@sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat Jun 24 17:30:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi ctrl Message-ID: <200606241448.36998.njcross@sbcglobal.net> Just to say that as soon as I used pd it worked for me. It's simple, clear and more importantly familiar to me. Thank you to the people who suggested pd, what a great program! I didn't mean to start a war! The cup is neither half full or half empty - it's just the wrong size? n. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Jun 25 02:20:08 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Jun 25 02:20:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: which graphics card? In-Reply-To: <2def88b80606241111t9d9e83lc49688f3afbe379d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060621041126.28278.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200606241217.58067.lau@kudla.org> <2def88b80606241111t9d9e83lc49688f3afbe379d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200606250720.09038.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 24 June 2006 19:11, Arnold Krille was like: > [*] Yes, I know. Ut can be run on linux too and inkscape is a good > replacement for Corel, but the files are in Corel and currently I only > have to do minor modifications on them. Not enough to switch them over > to svg... WADR, that's not in my book of "Really excellent reasons for still being hooked into Windows". Mind you, my copy seems to be entirely full of blank pages. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Jun 25 05:59:52 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun Jun 25 06:01:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060624203333.GE7310@charly.SWORD> References: <449BCE2E.2070103@boosthardware.com> <002d01c69789$b23a5980$3c4ffea9@64BitBadass> <20060624203333.GE7310@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <449E5E98.8000801@boosthardware.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 08:28:12AM -0400, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: >> FWIW, second that. As some of you may be already aware (definitely Thorsten >> ;-), I am a sucker for a more "curved" design (although not as curvy as >> Apple's). Hence, I'd like to see some more of that in addition to Patrick's >> comments... > > How's this? > http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/lau-wiki_02_i.png > I like the curves but it stills feels like it is missing some punch. Maybe it needs some shadows or layers to give it a more 3d effect? Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From lars.luthman at gmail.com Sun Jun 25 06:14:46 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Sun Jun 25 06:14:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <449E5E98.8000801@boosthardware.com> References: <449BCE2E.2070103@boosthardware.com> <002d01c69789$b23a5980$3c4ffea9@64BitBadass> <20060624203333.GE7310@charly.SWORD> <449E5E98.8000801@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <1151230486.7780.0.camel@c-5f75e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Sun, 2006-06-25 at 16:59 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 08:28:12AM -0400, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > >> FWIW, second that. As some of you may be already aware (definitely Thorsten > >> ;-), I am a sucker for a more "curved" design (although not as curvy as > >> Apple's). Hence, I'd like to see some more of that in addition to Patrick's > >> comments... > > > > How's this? > > http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/lau-wiki_02_i.png > > > > I like the curves but it stills feels like it is missing some punch. > > Maybe it needs some shadows or layers to give it a more 3d effect? How about some stronger colours? Bright orange on dark blue, or something? -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060625/9283b6b5/attachment.bin From ljc at internet.com.uy Sun Jun 25 08:42:37 2006 From: ljc at internet.com.uy (luis jure) Date: Sun Jun 25 08:46:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <449E5E98.8000801@boosthardware.com> References: <449BCE2E.2070103@boosthardware.com> <002d01c69789$b23a5980$3c4ffea9@64BitBadass> <20060624203333.GE7310@charly.SWORD> <449E5E98.8000801@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060625094237.0ff07b5d@acme.acmenet> > How's this? > http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/lau-wiki_02_i.png well, i must say i find it difficult to evaluate the design of a web site from a png... how does it look with a real browser? are those rounded corners made with images? are those really necessary? how does it look with a text browser like links? and with different screen resolutions? is the text in those tabs text or images? what about visually impaired users that need to increase font sizes, or blind users that use text only browsers? personally i hate those designs with rounded corners, but this is a web site, not an album cover, and i think the points i mentioned above are more important than the shape of the bullets or things like that. BTW, the pngs at the /httplaulinuxaudioorgfaq/ page don't look bad at all. IMO they'd look still better with solid colors, which is the only improvement i can see in this new design. best, lj From domain.admin at online.ie Sun Jun 25 09:23:32 2006 From: domain.admin at online.ie (Hiram Abiff) Date: Sun Jun 25 09:23:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RT and Jack problems In-Reply-To: <449C55C2.8080307@gmail.com> References: <20060619205136.f5vwque6g4wc48gc@mail.online.ie> <5bdc1c8b0606191259t6fdf09f7m9f53444e8c007dd1@mail.gmail.com> <20060621223047.fdlnbrhm5cc4sk04@mail.online.ie> <5bdc1c8b0606211434h753dc86dm232241128226207c@mail.gmail.com> <449C55C2.8080307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060625152332.qgozou6i9s008wgs@mail.online.ie> Quoting Carlos Pino : > Mark Knecht escribi?: >> On 6/21/06, Hiram Abiff wrote: >>> Quoting Mark Knecht : >>> >>> > Hiram, >>> > There are a few things to discover: >>> > >>> > 1) Are you running Jack as root or a user? >>> > >>> > - First, try running Jack as root and see if these problems go away. >>> > >>> Gru? Dich, Mark >>> I tried running it as root, works great. >>> >> >>> >>> I recompiled my kernel with the required module, I created a realtime >>> group, added my user to it and loaded the module. lsmod reports >>> it's loaded. However, I still get the same error messages when running >>> muse. :( >>> >> >> It may be the way you are loading the realtime module. Here's how I do >> it at boot time on my Gentoo box in /etc/modules.autoload/kernel-2.6: >> >> realtime gid=600 any=1 >> >> and here is how I set up my group: >> >> mark@lightning ~ $ cat /etc/group | grep realtime >> realtime:x:600:mark >> mark@lightning ~ $ >> >> Nothing more than that and I work fine. >> >> lightning ~ # modinfo realtime >> filename: /lib/modules/2.6.17-rt1/extra/realtime.ko >> license: GPL >> description: Realtime Capabilities Security Module >> vermagic: 2.6.17-rt1 preempt mod_unload gcc-3.4 >> license: GPL >> description: Standard Linux Common Capabilities Security Module >> depends: >> vermagic: 2.6.17-rt1 preempt mod_unload gcc-3.4 >> parm: any: grant realtime privileges to any process. (int) >> parm: gid: the group ID with access to realtime privileges. (int) >> parm: mlock: enable memory locking privileges. (int) >> lightning ~ # >> >> Hope this helps, >> Mark >> >> And here is houw I >> > With ubuntu and 2.6.17-rt1 I load it in this way > > realtime gid=29 wich is the audio group > > Saludos. > --Carlos. > Hi! Thanx for the help everyone, I load the modprobe with the following parameters and it works: modprobe realtime gid=500 any=1 mlock=1 -- http://www.egoboobits.net/HiramAbiff From t_w_ at freenet.de Sun Jun 25 10:22:26 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sun Jun 25 10:22:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060625094237.0ff07b5d@acme.acmenet> References: <449BCE2E.2070103@boosthardware.com> <002d01c69789$b23a5980$3c4ffea9@64BitBadass> <20060624203333.GE7310@charly.SWORD> <449E5E98.8000801@boosthardware.com> <20060625094237.0ff07b5d@acme.acmenet> Message-ID: <20060625142226.GA7312@charly.SWORD> On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 09:42:37AM -0300, luis jure wrote: > > > How's this? > > http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/lau-wiki_02_i.png > > well, i must say i find it difficult to evaluate the design of a web site > from a png... how does it look with a real browser? are those rounded > corners made with images? are those really necessary? how does it look with > a text browser like links? and with different screen resolutions? is the > text in those tabs text or images? what about visually impaired users that > need to increase font sizes, or blind users that use text only browsers? Usualy I don't do mockups, but work directly in XHTML/CSS to make sure it's all clean, degrades gracefully and to avoid tryin things that would look great but are hard or even impossible to achieve. But some things can be tried and changed much faster in mockups and I have been asked for some "flava" ... I guess the tabs can't be done like that without being images. The penguin and the area its in, and perhaps also the "Linux Audio User Wiki" headline would have to be one image. While I'm not going to completely ignore the concerns you mentioned, you are still invited to present a own design with perfect accesibilty and all, Luis ;) -- Thorsten Wilms From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Jun 25 10:27:30 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun Jun 25 10:28:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060625094237.0ff07b5d@acme.acmenet> References: <449BCE2E.2070103@boosthardware.com> <002d01c69789$b23a5980$3c4ffea9@64BitBadass> <20060624203333.GE7310@charly.SWORD> <449E5E98.8000801@boosthardware.com> <20060625094237.0ff07b5d@acme.acmenet> Message-ID: <449E9D52.2070205@boosthardware.com> luis jure wrote: >> How's this? >> http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/lau-wiki_02_i.png > > well, i must say i find it difficult to evaluate the design of a web site > from a png... how does it look with a real browser? are those rounded > corners made with images? are those really necessary? how does it look with > a text browser like links? and with different screen resolutions? is the > text in those tabs text or images? what about visually impaired users that > need to increase font sizes, or blind users that use text only browsers? > > personally i hate those designs with rounded corners, but this is a web > site, not an album cover, and i think the points i mentioned above are more > important than the shape of the bullets or things like that. > > BTW, the pngs at the /httplaulinuxaudioorgfaq/ page don't look bad at all. > IMO they'd look still better with solid colors, which is the only > improvement i can see in this new design. > Hi Luis, W3c CSS compliant websites allow for all the above and you are still able to have really modern, unique and interesting design. For an example of the possiblities please visit http://www.csszengarden.com/ There's nothing that says rounded corners are mandatory but I prefer them to straight edges for this site in particular. I think the LAD site could handle harder corners though. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From t_w_ at freenet.de Sun Jun 25 11:30:00 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sun Jun 25 11:30:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <449E5E98.8000801@boosthardware.com> References: <449BCE2E.2070103@boosthardware.com> <002d01c69789$b23a5980$3c4ffea9@64BitBadass> <20060624203333.GE7310@charly.SWORD> <449E5E98.8000801@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060625153000.GB7312@charly.SWORD> On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 04:59:52PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > Maybe it needs some shadows or layers to give it a more 3d effect? I would like to try a shadow to the page, but tell me how to realise that afterwards? Another: http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/lau-wiki_03_i.png -- Thorsten Wilms From d_baron at 012.net.il Sun Jun 25 11:41:42 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Sun Jun 25 11:41:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OSS (deprecated) has support for CS4232 pnp cards! Message-ID: <200606251841.42987.d_baron@012.net.il> New in kernel 2.6.17! Of course, we are using alsa and jack so this does not buy much. Would love to be able to use my rusty trusty dman2044 with its solid breakout box. Have no $$ to replace it right now. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jun 25 12:00:29 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jun 25 12:00:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RT and Jack problems In-Reply-To: <20060625152332.qgozou6i9s008wgs@mail.online.ie> References: <20060619205136.f5vwque6g4wc48gc@mail.online.ie> <5bdc1c8b0606191259t6fdf09f7m9f53444e8c007dd1@mail.gmail.com> <20060621223047.fdlnbrhm5cc4sk04@mail.online.ie> <5bdc1c8b0606211434h753dc86dm232241128226207c@mail.gmail.com> <449C55C2.8080307@gmail.com> <20060625152332.qgozou6i9s008wgs@mail.online.ie> Message-ID: <1151251230.2931.234.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-06-25 at 15:23 +0200, Hiram Abiff wrote: > Hi! > Thanx for the help everyone, I load the modprobe with the following > parameters and it works: > > modprobe realtime gid=500 any=1 mlock=1 You should not need to use "any" if you are in group 500. Lee From illth at gmx.de Sun Jun 25 12:13:37 2006 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Sun Jun 25 12:13:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OSS (deprecated) has support for CS4232 pnp cards! In-Reply-To: <200606251841.42987.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <200606251841.42987.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <449EB631.7050306@gmx.de> David Baron wrote: > New in kernel 2.6.17! > > Of course, we are using alsa and jack so this does not buy much. Would love to > be able to use my rusty trusty dman2044 with its solid breakout box. Have no > $$ to replace it right now. > according to the alsa website, there is a cs4232 driver in alsa: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Cirrus+Logic&card=.&chip=CS4232%2C+CS4232A&module=cs4232 > > From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Jun 25 12:18:06 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun Jun 25 12:19:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060625153000.GB7312@charly.SWORD> References: <449BCE2E.2070103@boosthardware.com> <002d01c69789$b23a5980$3c4ffea9@64BitBadass> <20060624203333.GE7310@charly.SWORD> <449E5E98.8000801@boosthardware.com> <20060625153000.GB7312@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <449EB73E.1030101@boosthardware.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 04:59:52PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> Maybe it needs some shadows or layers to give it a more 3d effect? > > I would like to try a shadow to the page, but tell me how to realise > that afterwards? > > > Another: > http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/lau-wiki_03_i.png > This is a nice progression. If you can figure out how to add a raised edge to the dark blue curve around the penguin and down the left hand side of the grey box that would add three layers. It's also easy to add a drop shadow behind the "Linux Audio User Wiki" title to create more 3d effect. However I still feel that it is very corporate at this point. The thing is I can't think of a specific way to break out of that paradigm with this design. Maybe the long edges need to be roughened up a little in an 'ar...tis..tic' kind of way. Think high school Goth rebellion or abstract synthetic noise art. ---------- - If that's too "hard" (as in on the eyes not the brain) then maybe something working with hiphop/street style or perhaps jazz fusion, Drum n Bass or MIDI deconstructivism. - Anyway the point I'm trying to make is we need to get inside the head of a typical Linux audio user and find the common ground the makes us all continue to use this platform and hopefully explain to people why they should feel comfortable migrating without having to actually explain it. - Maybe we should be coming at it from the point of view that Linux is the procrastinators best friend ;) ie if you want to find a way to spend a lot of time getting something done then you should use Linux... - Maybe we could take on a theme of Linux audio being for the hard working thoughtful type who wants to see things changed at a fundamental level of society and this is a way to contribute to that effort? ----------- It's a tough one and I'm certain that it will not be a quick answer. For Thorsten and anyone else who would like to contribute to the graphic design process please be sure to let us know if the pressure to output a work of art becomes too full on. As you can probably see already this topic can get very pedantic. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From bumpycarrot at gmail.com Sun Jun 25 12:38:34 2006 From: bumpycarrot at gmail.com (Joseph Jones) Date: Sun Jun 25 12:38:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem with DeMuDi and tasksel Message-ID: Hiya, crossposted, so sorry if you've read this before, but didn't get any response from the DeMuDi list so thought I'd try a broader audience. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Joseph Jones Date: Jun 18, 2006 3:19 AM Subject: The tasksel unathenticated problem To: users@lists.agnula.org Hi kids, new to the list here, but been familiarising myself (even recording a whole track) with DeMuDi for the last couple months or so. So I've been trying to upgrade to testing and I've run up against this problem: http://lists.agnula.org/pipermail/users/2006-May/010934.html I tried the suggestion in there but it didn't work. Do I perhaps need to be echo-ing to something in the apt.conf.d directory instead? Is there another way of working around this? Any help is much appreciated :) -- Joe Jones -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/MU d-- s+:-- a-- C++ UL+ L++ E---- W++ w M t(++) 5++ tv D++ e+ h-- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Sun Jun 25 19:45:40 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Sun Jun 25 19:45:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060625153000.GB7312@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <001501c698b1$7b962a70$bf411dc3@64BitBadass> Very nice work Thorsten! I personally liked the 02 version better. FWIW, I'd suggest adding one strong corner akin to the linuxaudio.org logo (namely bottom left) of the text canvas could also add a little spice, and having the "go" button also stylized (or converted in a .png since we would have several of them anyhow) so that it does not stick out that much. Keep up the great work! Best wishes, Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Thorsten Wilms > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 11:30 AM > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI > > On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 04:59:52PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > > > Maybe it needs some shadows or layers to give it a more 3d effect? > > I would like to try a shadow to the page, but tell me how to realise > that afterwards? > > > Another: > http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/lau- > wiki_03_i.png > > > -- > Thorsten Wilms From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Sun Jun 25 23:02:09 2006 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Sun Jun 25 23:02:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rui's rtirq script for debian? Message-ID: <449F4E31.8020909@sympatico.ca> Hello, Some days ago I discovered Rui Nuno Capela's script for realtime kernels. I'm trying to use it with my own custom kernel with Ingo's RT patches in Ubuntu Linux. I found a debian package made by Free Ekanayaka but it's an older verion, so I downloaded the latest rpm from Rui's site and converted it to deb using alien. For the post-install I executed the postinst script that I found inside Free's deb package. I would like to ask you a couple of questions: the first one, would the script taken from the rpm work in a debian distro? and if not, does anyone know of any debianized package of the script's latest version? Thanks! Hector From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Jun 25 23:37:20 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Jun 25 23:37:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem with DeMuDi and tasksel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200606260437.20838.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Sunday 25 June 2006 17:38, Joseph Jones was like: > didn't get > any response from the DeMuDi list Probably because your question is incomprehensible. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From rncbc at rncbc.org Mon Jun 26 04:35:46 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Mon Jun 26 04:36:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rui's rtirq script for debian? In-Reply-To: <449F4E31.8020909@sympatico.ca> References: <449F4E31.8020909@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <5359.213.58.131.130.1151310946.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> On Mon, June 26, 2006 04:02, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > Hello, > > > Some days ago I discovered Rui Nuno Capela's script for realtime > kernels. I'm trying to use it with my own custom kernel with Ingo's RT > patches in Ubuntu Linux. I found a debian package made by Free Ekanayaka > but it's an older verion, so I downloaded the latest rpm from Rui's site > and converted it to deb using alien. For the post-install I executed the > postinst script that I found inside Free's deb package. I would like to > ask you a couple of questions: the first one, would the script taken from > the rpm work in a debian distro? and if not, does anyone know of any > debianized package of the script's latest version? > > Thanks! > I believe it should, it's just a LSB init script. When properly installed it consists on only two files: /etc/sysconfig/rtirq <- rtirq.conf (configuration) /etc/init.d/rtirq <- rtirq.sh (the script) As I'm not fluent in debianese I don't have a clue if this is supposed to work as-is on debian. Isn't debian LSB compliant? ;) For the reference, the most recent and original rtirq packages are found in: http://www.rncbc.org/jack/rtirq-20060218.tar.gz http://www.rncbc.org/jack/rtirq-20060218-13.src.rpm http://www.rncbc.org/jack/rtirq-20060218-13.noarch.rpm Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From t_w_ at freenet.de Mon Jun 26 10:22:59 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Mon Jun 26 10:28:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <449EB73E.1030101@boosthardware.com> References: <449BCE2E.2070103@boosthardware.com> <002d01c69789$b23a5980$3c4ffea9@64BitBadass> <20060624203333.GE7310@charly.SWORD> <449E5E98.8000801@boosthardware.com> <20060625153000.GB7312@charly.SWORD> <449EB73E.1030101@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060626142259.GA7516@charly.SWORD> On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 11:18:06PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > However I still feel that it is very corporate at this point. The thing > is I can't think of a specific way to break out of that paradigm with > this design. Maybe the long edges need to be roughened up a little in an > 'ar...tis..tic' kind of way. Think high school Goth rebellion or > abstract synthetic noise art. Usualy I try to avoid things that could distract from the actual content too much. If it shall be accesible, table-less, hack-free css and even work in the POS Internet Explorer ... > - Anyway the point I'm trying to make is we need to get inside the head > of a typical Linux audio user and find the common ground the makes us > all continue to use this platform and hopefully explain to people why > they should feel comfortable migrating without having to actually > explain it. I wonder if there is such a thing as a typical Linux audio user. Things as having fun seeing how things work might be somewhat common, but visual preferences can be expected to vary almost as much as musical taste. Using the design to get some message across is a nice idea. Patrick, all in all I think you overestimate the importance of the design, and I say that as a designer ;) Anyway, next one and I think it's too disco and by tomorrow I might hate it: http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/lau-wiki_04.png -- Thorsten Wilms From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Jun 26 12:03:22 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon Jun 26 12:04:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAU FAQ WIKI In-Reply-To: <20060626142259.GA7516@charly.SWORD> References: <449BCE2E.2070103@boosthardware.com> <002d01c69789$b23a5980$3c4ffea9@64BitBadass> <20060624203333.GE7310@charly.SWORD> <449E5E98.8000801@boosthardware.com> <20060625153000.GB7312@charly.SWORD> <449EB73E.1030101@boosthardware.com> <20060626142259.GA7516@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <44A0054A.2010701@boosthardware.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > Patrick, all in all I think you overestimate the importance of the design, > and I say that as a designer ;) > If this is the case then Macs wouldn't exist or any of the "super cool" VST plugins either. Think Jaguar, Porsche, BMW, Adidas, Bape etc... Maybe I need to be more specific with the design brief? ---------------- - The new site template must be visually attractive so that it will be considered a visual artwork in it's own right. - The target audience is new users for the Linux platform. Experienced Linux users do not require the content that is available on the LAU Guide and sub directories. - As a substantial percentage of the viewers of the site will come from a professional or semi professional audio environment on a Mac or Windows system we should try to appeal to them on a subconscious level with modern artwork and design. - The colors should be clean and fresh but not overbearing. Light colors will give viewers a feeling that Linux audio apps are light (easy) to use. Heavy colors will do the opposite. Bright colors are more fun and grayer colors are more serious/corporate. - It's ok to change the general layout of the wiki to compliment the overall design. - The purpose of this design round is to give the wiki a style and "flava" that represents the best of what can be acheived with Linux Audio applications. *NB. It is unnecessary to modify the current template of the wiki unless we have a well designed theme as it is perfectly functional for utilitarian purposes. ---------------- > Anyway, next one and I think it's too disco and by tomorrow I might hate > it: > http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/lau-wiki_04.png > It's got potential but I wouldn't use that version. It's very flat and early 90's Trance. We are definitely beyond that point of development. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Jun 26 13:48:28 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Jun 26 13:49:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "on stage" pc In-Reply-To: <1151166734.10221.90.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <449BCD52.60209@herhoffer.net> <1151166734.10221.90.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: In theory I agree. I feel that the Unix philosophy applies in the analogue world as well as it does in digital. However, there are three reasons I chose to think Ensemble: * An Apogee Rosetta eight-channel ADA converter costs $2500, an Apogee stereo Mic Pre-Amp costs $2000, and the FireWire extension for the D/A converters costs $500 (roughly the same as something PCMCIA that supports S/PDIF). I can get an Apogee Ensemble in Switzerland for $2000, that's $4000 in savings. * I intend to use the same gear in my studio as live on stage. There is some advantage to carrying two small boxes only, notebook and breakout box. (I can't wait to proudly display my giant penguin while working the ladies' minds) * Since as an independant producer I need so many different skills already to get my music heard (Sound synthing, sequencing, composing, performing, singing, recording, equalizing, compressing, echoing, limiting, encoding, web design, content management, internet marketing, merchandising design) I decided it would be nice to save me the learning of some expertise and "let the technology be smart" as far the analogue signal chain goes. Of course, this approach might or might not work, as it is simply what looks most promising given what I know right now, which is a lot compared to last year, and very little compared to all the knowledge in the universe. Carlo Paul Davis schrieb: > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 20:53 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: >> Finally, for the ultra high end (my dream card), there is the Apogee >> Ensemble FireWire that offers the famous Apogee D/A converters and four >> Apogee Pre-Amps. This is my dream card. (19") It is untested with linux. > > personally, i think that combining converters with the computer audio > interface is silly in general, and ridiculous at the "high end". > > you can buy an apogee standalone converter and connect it to any > computer audio interface via ADAT, S/PDIF or other protocols. then, when > you have to sell the apogee to pay for your next house or apartment, you > can replace it with a cheap fostex unit, and keep your audio computer > alive and functioning. > > > From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Jun 27 08:30:54 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Jun 27 08:20:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question Message-ID: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Not long ago I mentioned that a student had traded an MSI mobo (socket 939) for some lessons. I'm ready to start building a system around that board, and I have some questions for this list: 1) I can get a new AMD64 Athlon 3800 2.4 GHz for (US) $145. Is the Athlon 64 a good chip for audio work, and is that a good price ? It's the best listed on Pricewatch. 2) Recommended case/power supply ? 3) The MSI box says it includes an nVidia nForce3 chipset, which I assume means that there's an audio/video chipset on the mobo. I'll probably disable the audio, and I have a gForce AGP video card to put in the machine. Question: Am I better off using the integrated video or should I use my card instead ? (Btw, I use the kernel nv driver, not nVidia's binary driver). 4) I assume I'll have to buy new RAM. What should I buy ? 5) The CPU includes a fan, but should I get something more powerful ? 6) How can I best reduce the noise from this system ? 7) Am I correct to assume that this system runs in a 32-bit more as well as the 64-bit ? How do I determine which mode I'll run in ? This system will replace my ancient desktop machine, so also I need to know if there are any precautions or warnings re: running Linux audio software on it. The distro of choice will be Debian Etch a la Demudi 1.3.0. Sorry for all the questions, I'm completely new to the 64-bit game. As always, any & all advice will be vastly appreciated. :) Best regards, dp From ardour at semiosix.com Tue Jun 27 08:52:56 2006 From: ardour at semiosix.com (John Anderson) Date: Tue Jun 27 08:53:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question In-Reply-To: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1151412776.8583.12.camel@groovious> On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 08:30 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > Not long ago I mentioned that a student had traded an MSI mobo (socket > 939) for some lessons. I'm ready to start building a system around that > board, and I have some questions for this list: > > 2) Recommended case/power supply ? I"ve been eyeing an Antec case, with power supply. Never used it but I heard good reports. www.antec.com > 3) The MSI box says it includes an nVidia nForce3 chipset, which I > assume means that there's an audio/video chipset on the mobo. I'll > probably disable the audio, and I have a gForce AGP video card to put in > the machine. Question: Am I better off using the integrated video or > should I use my card instead ? (Btw, I use the kernel nv driver, not > nVidia's binary driver). I vaguely remember there being issues with the onboard ethernet for these chipsets - as in you have to install a driver that doesn't come as part of the standard kernel source. But I could be completely wrong. > 5) The CPU includes a fan, but should I get something more powerful ? Something quieter, probably. Zalman make some interesting fans for CPUs. www.zalman.co.kr > 6) How can I best reduce the noise from this system ? Fans and hard drives are the noisiest components. So if you have quiet PSU and CPU fans (and GPU if it's a powerful nvidia), the next step is to get a hard drive enclosure. Or maybe go for a 2.5 inch laptop drive, bearing in mind that the throughput is lower. Although I read recently that laptop drives aren't as slow as they used to be and can be used acceptably in a desktop system. bye John From mdeboer at iua.upf.edu Tue Jun 27 09:07:22 2006 From: mdeboer at iua.upf.edu (Maarten de Boer) Date: Tue Jun 27 09:09:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question In-Reply-To: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060627150722.3d24f2b8.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> Hi Dave, What is the exact model of the mobo? Is it by any change the MSI K8NGM2-FID ? There is very useful info in this forum http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=29&threadid=1803985 > 2) Recommended case/power supply ? I recently helped a friend with a very similar setup (with above mobo). He went for the Antec P150, which is a very nice quiet case, with a quiet PSU, for a good price. http://www.silentpcreview.com/article272-page1.html The Antec P150 is the second recommended case of SPCR, but !!! note the warning: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article75-page3.html In my friends case, the PSU got replaced with a different model, because of these issues (The store he bought the case was aware of them). So, make sure that when you buy it, that the PSU is a revised one, or that you can return it if it fails. A bit of a hassle maybe, but the case is really really nice. > 3) The MSI box says it includes an nVidia nForce3 chipset, which I > assume means that there's an audio/video chipset on the mobo. I'll > probably disable the audio, and I have a gForce AGP video card to put in > the machine. Question: Am I better off using the integrated video or > should I use my card instead ? (Btw, I use the kernel nv driver, not > nVidia's binary driver). If you use the nv driver, I think you will not notice any difference between the onboard and external video card. > 4) I assume I'll have to buy new RAM. What should I buy ? See the anandtech forum. > 5) The CPU includes a fan, but should I get something more powerful ? Something more silent, rather. Maybe a Zalman heatsink+fan? > 6) How can I best reduce the noise from this system ? See above. A good case with damping and good airflow, a silent PSU, a silent CPU fan, and one large case fan (maybe 120 mm) at low speed. It will not give you a perfectly silent system, but it won't be the vacuumcleaner noise level you'd get without taking care of these issues :-) > 7) Am I correct to assume that this system runs in a 32-bit more as > well as the 64-bit ? How do I determine which mode I'll run in ? You may run into some hassle running at 64 bit, 32 bit will work fine. But since you are no newbie, you might want to go fo 64 bit. > This system will replace my ancient desktop machine, so also I need to > know if there are any precautions or warnings re: running Linux audio > software on it. The distro of choice will be Debian Etch a la Demudi 1.3.0. Hm, on the MSI based system of my friend, I didn't get the reverse engineered driver for the nvidea onboard ethernet to work, so I installed the binary driver from nvidea. Many people however do report the reverse engineered driver to work, and better even than the nvidea binary, so YMMV. But if you are stuck with the binary driver (for either video or ethernet), low latency might be at risk. Maarten From mdeboer at iua.upf.edu Tue Jun 27 09:14:33 2006 From: mdeboer at iua.upf.edu (Maarten de Boer) Date: Tue Jun 27 09:16:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question In-Reply-To: <1151412776.8583.12.camel@groovious> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <1151412776.8583.12.camel@groovious> Message-ID: <20060627151433.3095dbd9.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> Hi, John's post and mine crossed eachother, and they do not contradict :-) Just one point: John wrote: > Fans and hard drives are the noisiest components. So if you have quiet > PSU and CPU fans (and GPU if it's a powerful nvidia), the next step is > to get a hard drive enclosure. Note that the P150 case has a nice system for mounting the harddrives, with rubber bands, which at least dampens some of the vibrations. There is also quite some difference in noise level of harddrives, but sadly even between harddrives of the same model (but different revisions). The seagate barracuda IV's were known for being very quiet, but later versions (due to a patent dispute with samsung i believe) are noisier... And I just remembered the name of the reverse engineered onboard ethernet driver: forcedeth Maarten From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Jun 27 09:17:47 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Jun 27 09:18:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question In-Reply-To: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606270617y1f660ffdr1ff2b0f53a268154@mail.gmail.com> Hi Dave On 6/27/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > Not long ago I mentioned that a student had traded an MSI mobo (socket > 939) for some lessons. I'm ready to start building a system around that > board, and I have some questions for this list: > > 1) I can get a new AMD64 Athlon 3800 2.4 GHz for (US) $145. Is the > Athlon 64 a good chip for audio work, and is that a good price ? It's > the best listed on Pricewatch. Yes. Im using an AMD64 Athlon 3000+. Works fine. You might want to check in with Lee Revel or someone technically in tune with the kernel developers about dual core chips. Mine is single core. There are still (I think...) soome dual core issues but they are fewer now then before. > > 2) Recommended case/power supply ? Coolermaster case I think I'm using an Antec 450W supply. It's pretty quiet. Look into the Zalman power supplies if you can afford it. > > 3) The MSI box says it includes an nVidia nForce3 chipset, which I > assume means that there's an audio/video chipset on the mobo. I'll > probably disable the audio, and I have a gForce AGP video card to put in > the machine. Question: Am I better off using the integrated video or > should I use my card instead ? (Btw, I use the kernel nv driver, not > nVidia's binary driver). Whatever you choose try for no fans... > > 4) I assume I'll have to buy new RAM. What should I buy ? Crucial.com > > 5) The CPU includes a fan, but should I get something more powerful ? More quiet - Zalman definiately. > > 6) How can I best reduce the noise from this system ? Zalman fan, Zalman or other quiet power supplies, no fans on the motherboard or video card, good disk drive. > > 7) Am I correct to assume that this system runs in a 32-bit more as > well as the 64-bit ? How do I determine which mode I'll run in ? No - it will run either 32-bit or 64-bit. However Linux has 32-bit emulation libraries to allow 32-bit binaries to run an a 64-bit system. I run 64-bit but I think if I was to do it again I'd just go 32-bit. 64-bit systems have trouble with many 32-bit Windows media types as win32codec built for 64-bit isn't completely compatible (or just doesn't work) yet. Some of Java isn't as well supported on 64-bit yet. Flash s OK. No clue whether any of that matters to you but it does to me. > > This system will replace my ancient desktop machine, so also I need to > know if there are any precautions or warnings re: running Linux audio > software on it. The distro of choice will be Debian Etch a la Demudi 1.3.0. Gentoo for me. Cannot comment on distros much. > > Sorry for all the questions, I'm completely new to the 64-bit game. As > always, any & all advice will be vastly appreciated. :) We owe you so much you don't have to apologize for anything. Ask away. We need to put the universe's karma bit more in balance. Good luck, Mark > > Best regards, > > dp > > From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Jun 27 09:21:28 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Jun 27 09:21:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question In-Reply-To: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060627132128.GI10261@fitz.Belkin> On Tue, 27 Jun, 2006 at 08:30AM -0400, Dave Phillips spake thus: > Greetings: > > Not long ago I mentioned that a student had traded an MSI mobo (socket > 939) for some lessons. I'm ready to start building a system around that > board, and I have some questions for this list: > > 1) I can get a new AMD64 Athlon 3800 2.4 GHz for (US) $145. Is the > Athlon 64 a good chip for audio work, and is that a good price ? It's > the best listed on Pricewatch. It's all good here! I'm running the 3700 (2.2GHz) san diego and loving it. I moved from a 3.06GHz p4 when it fried and although I've lost ~0.8GHz, the speedup is fantastic. Other things probably help, too. The last machine was store bought, so not much else in it was high spec. This time I have 1GB of RAM as two paired units running in that new dual mode doodah, SATA HD with 16MB cache and the processor has 1MB of L2 cache. I paid 115 sterling, so $145 seems like a good price. Check the other stuff, like the sandiego business, though. > 2) Recommended case/power supply ? Whatever you like. Quiet power supplies are cheap now. I also have the Zalman FS-C77 processor cooler (Fatal1ty, I think) which is really nice and keeps the processor cool at low speeds, if the mobo can adjust the speed based on temperature. It's running at 1.7krpms quite quietly at the moment, but can go slower than that even. And a hell of a lot faster. > 3) The MSI box says it includes an nVidia nForce3 chipset, which I > assume means that there's an audio/video chipset on the mobo. I'll > probably disable the audio, and I have a gForce AGP video card to put in > the machine. Question: Am I better off using the integrated video or > should I use my card instead ? (Btw, I use the kernel nv driver, not > nVidia's binary driver). Use the better of the two. I'm guessing this will be the card, but check the specs. Xorg will be able to use it to reduce the processor load for X stuff. But why use the nv rather than nvidia module? If you don't like a tainted kernel, then that's fine. If that's not the problem... why not? > 4) I assume I'll have to buy new RAM. What should I buy ? Try the corsair matched pairs if your mobo can do dual channel voodoo. > 5) The CPU includes a fan, but should I get something more powerful ? Yes. > 6) How can I best reduce the noise from this system ? Simplest solution: quiet power supply, big finned heatsink/fan combo (see above) or heat pipe wotsit (didn't have the nerve to try that myself), quiet HD cooling enclosure (extra fans, but can actually quieten your HD). If that's not quiet enough, you can get special sound dampening padding for inside the case or a special cabinet with a door and lots of foam. > 7) Am I correct to assume that this system runs in a 32-bit more as > well as the 64-bit ? How do I determine which mode I'll run in ? It just does it. Don't worry about it :) The only thing I even noticed any oddness with was the codecs for mplayer et al. Even then, it was just WMV (eugh!) that wouldn't work, so I also installed an x86 binary of mplayer, which worked fine. > This system will replace my ancient desktop machine, so also I need to > know if there are any precautions or warnings re: running Linux audio > software on it. The distro of choice will be Debian Etch a la Demudi 1.3.0. I know distro choice is a personal religious matter, but... Use Gentoo! It's a fact that it's WAY better than all other distros (1). Plus you get all the benefit of sse3/amd64 goodness. I used to use Redhat, then switched to Debian. I used Debian for a long time, but got annoyed by the way it would break if I monkeyed with it too much. Gentoo lets me tinker as much as I want and fixing my cock-ups is just a matter of emerging a few packages. Have fun! James (1) Not actual fact, but rabid opinion. > Sorry for all the questions, I'm completely new to the 64-bit game. As > always, any & all advice will be vastly appreciated. :) > > Best regards, > > dp > > From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Jun 27 09:27:29 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Jun 27 09:27:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0606270617y1f660ffdr1ff2b0f53a268154@mail.gmail.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0606270617y1f660ffdr1ff2b0f53a268154@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060627132729.GJ10261@fitz.Belkin> On Tue, 27 Jun, 2006 at 06:17AM -0700, Mark Knecht spake thus: > Hi Dave > > On 6/27/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > >Greetings: > > > > Not long ago I mentioned that a student had traded an MSI mobo (socket > >939) for some lessons. I'm ready to start building a system around that > >board, and I have some questions for this list: > > > > 1) I can get a new AMD64 Athlon 3800 2.4 GHz for (US) $145. Is the > >Athlon 64 a good chip for audio work, and is that a good price ? It's > >the best listed on Pricewatch. > > Yes. Im using an AMD64 Athlon 3000+. Works fine. You might want to > check in with Lee Revel or someone technically in tune with the kernel > developers about dual core chips. Mine is single core. There are still > (I think...) soome dual core issues but they are fewer now then > before. > > > > > 2) Recommended case/power supply ? > > Coolermaster case > > I think I'm using an Antec 450W supply. It's pretty quiet. Look into > the Zalman power supplies if you can afford it. > > > > > 3) The MSI box says it includes an nVidia nForce3 chipset, which I > >assume means that there's an audio/video chipset on the mobo. I'll > >probably disable the audio, and I have a gForce AGP video card to put in > >the machine. Question: Am I better off using the integrated video or > >should I use my card instead ? (Btw, I use the kernel nv driver, not > >nVidia's binary driver). > > Whatever you choose try for no fans... > > > > > 4) I assume I'll have to buy new RAM. What should I buy ? > > Crucial.com > > > > > 5) The CPU includes a fan, but should I get something more powerful ? > > More quiet - Zalman definiately. > > > > > 6) How can I best reduce the noise from this system ? > > Zalman fan, Zalman or other quiet power supplies, no fans on the > motherboard or video card, good disk drive. > > > > > 7) Am I correct to assume that this system runs in a 32-bit more as > >well as the 64-bit ? How do I determine which mode I'll run in ? > > No - it will run either 32-bit or 64-bit. However Linux has 32-bit > emulation libraries to allow 32-bit binaries to run an a 64-bit > system. I run 64-bit but I think if I was to do it again I'd just go > 32-bit. 64-bit systems have trouble with many 32-bit Windows media > types as win32codec built for 64-bit isn't completely compatible (or > just doesn't work) yet. Some of Java isn't as well supported on 64-bit > yet. Flash s OK. No clue whether any of that matters to you but it > does to me. I have absolutely no problems with 64bitness. I wouldn't go back and if someone made a 65 bit processor, I'd happily give it a go. That last bit was a joke, BTW. > > > >This system will replace my ancient desktop machine, so also I need to > >know if there are any precautions or warnings re: running Linux audio > >software on it. The distro of choice will be Debian Etch a la Demudi 1.3.0. > > Gentoo for me. Cannot comment on distros much. Why not? Where's all the dogmatic, fiery, evangelistic rightiousness that is the right of all Gentoo users? > > > >Sorry for all the questions, I'm completely new to the 64-bit game. As > >always, any & all advice will be vastly appreciated. :) > > We owe you so much you don't have to apologize for anything. Ask away. > We need to put the universe's karma bit more in balance. > > Good luck, > Mark > > > > >Best regards, > > > >dp > > > > > From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Jun 27 09:44:43 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Jun 27 09:34:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0606270617y1f660ffdr1ff2b0f53a268154@mail.gmail.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0606270617y1f660ffdr1ff2b0f53a268154@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44A1364B.4030500@woh.rr.com> Mark Knecht wrote: >> 7) Am I correct to assume that this system runs in a 32-bit more as >> well as the 64-bit ? How do I determine which mode I'll run in ? > > > No - it will run either 32-bit or 64-bit. However Linux has 32-bit > emulation libraries to allow 32-bit binaries to run an a 64-bit > system. I run 64-bit but I think if I was to do it again I'd just go > 32-bit. 64-bit systems have trouble with many 32-bit Windows media > types as win32codec built for 64-bit isn't completely compatible (or > just doesn't work) yet. Some of Java isn't as well supported on 64-bit > yet. Flash s OK. No clue whether any of that matters to you but it > does to me. Thanks for those notes, Mark. The Java and Flash stuff does matter to me. Any comment on WINE and VST support ? Am I best advised then to simply run in 32-bit mode most of the time ? Btw, if I had to explain it to a very normal user, what benefits should she expect from running a 64-bit system ? WRT Linux audio software, what applications receive the greatest performance boosts ? > We need to put the universe's karma bit more in balance. :) Back to the balance... Best, dp From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Jun 27 09:38:34 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Jun 27 09:40:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question In-Reply-To: <44A1364B.4030500@woh.rr.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0606270617y1f660ffdr1ff2b0f53a268154@mail.gmail.com> <44A1364B.4030500@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1151415514.28727.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 09:44 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Thanks for those notes, Mark. The Java and Flash stuff does matter to > me. Any comment on WINE and VST support ? Am I best advised then to > simply run in 32-bit mode most of the time ? wine works on x86_64, but you can't load 32 bit plugins of any type into a 64 bit host application (unless the plugin API doesn't use pointers for anything and has all other type widths defined independently of the CPU type). so basically, yes, 32 bit all the way if you want to use firefox/audio/other plugins. > Btw, if I had to explain it to a very normal user, what benefits should > she expect from running a 64-bit system ? WRT Linux audio software, what > applications receive the greatest performance boosts ? most 64 bit systems these days have better system busses and processors that are better at the kind of floating point work most audio apps require. thats really about it. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Jun 27 09:59:23 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Jun 27 09:48:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question In-Reply-To: <20060627132128.GI10261@fitz.Belkin> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <20060627132128.GI10261@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <44A139BB.8040108@woh.rr.com> james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: >> 3) The MSI box says it includes an nVidia nForce3 chipset, which I >>assume means that there's an audio/video chipset on the mobo. I'll >>probably disable the audio, and I have a gForce AGP video card to put in >>the machine. Question: Am I better off using the integrated video or >>should I use my card instead ? (Btw, I use the kernel nv driver, not >>nVidia's binary driver). >> >> > >Use the better of the two. I'm guessing this will be the card, but >check the specs. Xorg will be able to use it to reduce the processor >load for X stuff. > >But why use the nv rather than nvidia module? If you don't like a >tainted kernel, then that's fine. If that's not the problem... why not? > > I'm glad you asked. As a matter of personal (moral/ethical/philosophic) preference, I'd rather use the open-source solution than the locked-up binary *unless* I have a compelling reason to do otherwise. In past I've used nVidia's driver for exactly two purposes: Quake and Pd. :) Well, I can't play Quake worth a damn anyway, and my experiments with GEM and Pd were just experiments. I'm not currently working with Pd or anything else that wants accelerated 3D, so I'm working with the kernel driver. It's also a shame that 3D support under Linux should be so woeful. IIUC it's worse than the audio hardware situation. >> 7) Am I correct to assume that this system runs in a 32-bit more as >>well as the 64-bit ? How do I determine which mode I'll run in ? >> >> > >It just does it. Don't worry about it :) The only thing I even >noticed any oddness with was the codecs for mplayer et al. Even then, >it was just WMV (eugh!) that wouldn't work, so I also installed an x86 >binary of mplayer, which worked fine. > > That's all cool. I like easy. :) Best, dp From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Jun 27 10:14:53 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Jun 27 10:15:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question In-Reply-To: <44A1364B.4030500@woh.rr.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0606270617y1f660ffdr1ff2b0f53a268154@mail.gmail.com> <44A1364B.4030500@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0606270714u16bab44fj67d63ca0fda9c7ac@mail.gmail.com> On 6/27/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > >> 7) Am I correct to assume that this system runs in a 32-bit more as > >> well as the 64-bit ? How do I determine which mode I'll run in ? > > > > > > No - it will run either 32-bit or 64-bit. However Linux has 32-bit > > emulation libraries to allow 32-bit binaries to run an a 64-bit > > system. I run 64-bit but I think if I was to do it again I'd just go > > 32-bit. 64-bit systems have trouble with many 32-bit Windows media > > types as win32codec built for 64-bit isn't completely compatible (or > > just doesn't work) yet. Some of Java isn't as well supported on 64-bit > > yet. Flash s OK. No clue whether any of that matters to you but it > > does to me. > > Thanks for those notes, Mark. The Java and Flash stuff does matter to > me. Any comment on WINE and VST support ? Am I best advised then to > simply run in 32-bit mode most of the time ? I'm not doing enough with Wine or VST's on Linux latey to comment. I find the whole wine thing has gotten so complex and (frankly) flakey) that it hasn't been worth my time. All my VST's have moved back to windows where 'it just works'. ;-) Jack/Ardour/Aqualung are very, very stable on 64-bit. No problems there. Note that I have recently suffered a large number of ogg files on a 1394 ext3 drive getting corrupted. I have no idea why. I started seeing this when running 2.6.16-rt25. I upgraded to 2.6.17-rt1 and things got worse. I do not think it's a kernel issue. Possibly the drive is just having trouble. one the less that's my Linux negative for the last 14 days... > > Btw, if I had to explain it to a very normal user, what benefits should > she expect from running a 64-bit system ? WRT Linux audio software, what > applications receive the greatest performance boosts ? I do not think there is much extra value to running audio apps on 64-bit yet. I'd defer to Paul, Jess & Taybin for real numbers. All I can say is that it works fin on 64-bit, for me, on this machine, today. I have a 32-bit Gentoo chroot built up on this same machine, incase I need to run 32-bit, but for Ardour that hasn't been necessary. I should have mentioned that before. Even though I run 64-bit Gentoo provides a bunch of support for running a complete 32-bit chroot inside of the 4-bit environment. All the 32-bit stuff (Java, Flash, win32codecs, etc.) work fine in there. The down side is you have to keep two Gentoo builds up to date, and keeping one Gentoo build up to date is a bunch of work so it's not a gret solution for everyone. That said, if you wanted to run 64-bit and ran into a real problem then it is a working solution. > > > We need to put the universe's karma bit more in balance. > > :) > > Back to the balance... > You're far too generous. Suck a little more your way more often! :) :) :) Cheers, Mark From pw_lists at slinkp.com Tue Jun 27 10:18:04 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Jun 27 10:18:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question In-Reply-To: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060627141804.GA27857@slinkp.com> On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 08:30:54AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > Not long ago I mentioned that a student had traded an MSI mobo (socket > 939) for some lessons. I'm ready to start building a system around that > board, and I have some questions for this list: > > 1) I can get a new AMD64 Athlon 3800 2.4 GHz for (US) $145. Is the > Athlon 64 a good chip for audio work, and is that a good price ? It's > the best listed on Pricewatch. I think so. I paid more for a 2.2 GHz 3500+ two months ago! > 2) Recommended case/power supply ? I went with an Antec Sonata, which out-of-the-box is hardly silent, but it's solid and pretty easy to work with. Then I added the foam kit for it that quietpc.com sells. I had the case for a while, and when I recently upgraded (from a PIII 866 to the AMD) I decided to get the foam kit. Took a bit of fiddling to get everything in, but the difference is very noticeable. It's now similar in noise to an idling laptop. This is with the stock AMD cpu fan. The case came with a quiet power supply. I'm happy. I chose my graphics card largely for lack of fan - I got a Gigabyte GV-NX66256DP2. Works well with either the kernel drivers or the nvidia drivers. Most of the remaining noise in my system seems to come out the rear, where the fans are. I put the case about 8" away from the back wall and put some foam acoustic treatment on that wall behind the case to reduce reflections off the wall. That made a noticeable difference. The one remaining irritant is hard drive noise. The Sonata 3.5" drive mounts are supposed to reduce hard drive vibration coupling to the case, but my main drive still makes quite a bit of noise wheen seeking. (I don't hear whining, but I do hear fast "clunky" noises.) I moved my "audio" drive up to the 5.25" drive bay, mounted on one of these ... http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817991002 ... largely for cabling, because it was the only way I could get that drive on the second IDE channel; I was having problems with drive performance with lots of tracks in ardour. Seems better now. As a nice side benefit, that drive seems quieter now. I may get another of those 5.25" mounts and try putting the system drive up there too. > 3) The MSI box says it includes an nVidia nForce3 chipset, which I > assume means that there's an audio/video chipset on the mobo. I'll > probably disable the audio, and I have a gForce AGP video card to put in > the machine. Question: Am I better off using the integrated video or > should I use my card instead ? (Btw, I use the kernel nv driver, not > nVidia's binary driver). No idea, sorry. BTW, nforce3 doesn't automatically mean it has onboard video. My nforce 4 board doesn't. Onboard audio is likely. I just disabled mine in the BIOS. > 4) I assume I'll have to buy new RAM. What should I buy ? Something compatible ;-) I went with 1 GB of Kingston ValueRAM. The system reports it as 1004 MB, but hey, it was cheap :-p > 5) The CPU includes a fan, but should I get something more powerful ? I'd try it first. Mine seems fine. I was afraid it would be very noisy, but with all the padding in my case I don't hear it at all over the (quiet) case fan and PSU fan. > 6) How can I best reduce the noise from this system ? See above :) > 7) Am I correct to assume that this system runs in a 32-bit more as > well as the 64-bit ? How do I determine which mode I'll run in ? I'm a gentoo guy, so I just read their 64-bit guide and followed that. So I'd advise to read whatever info your distro provides about the matter. Once I was up and running, I just use the system as normal... I rarely if ever have to think about how many bits. The one inconvenience is that sometimes a gentoo ebuild that's marked stable for 32 isn't marked stable for 64 yet. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From perodog at gmx.net Tue Jun 27 10:19:48 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Tue Jun 27 10:18:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] kluppe 0.6.5 released In-Reply-To: <449BC6D2.2080102@klingt.org> References: <449BC6D2.2080102@klingt.org> Message-ID: <44A13E84.4080104@gmx.net> hi, the older version of kluppe wanted not to build on my sytem, so i ended up using the debian binary of it, but this version builds very well and all works good! thanks for your work, doc kluppe wrote: > hello! > > kluppe version 0.6.5 is available. > kluppe is a jack-based loop player designed for live-use. > > since my last email to this list there have been many changes including > *) new playmodes ("play/rec once", "clickmodes",...) > *) disc stream support for larger soundfiles > *) several bugfixes (thanks to piem and toni) > > kluppe can be downloaded at http://kluppe.klingt.org > > as always: please let me know if you run into troubles using or > compiling kluppe. i'm always happy to get feedback from people who use > kluppe. > > best regards > d13b > > From perodog at gmx.net Tue Jun 27 10:26:00 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Tue Jun 27 10:24:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] GLASHCtl 0.2 In-Reply-To: <1151100630.7420.7.camel@c-5f75e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> References: <1150113369.8864.8.camel@localhost> <449C469F.5010805@gmx.net> <1151100630.7420.7.camel@c-5f75e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> Message-ID: <44A13FF8.2070009@gmx.net> ok, thanks for the response, but there i have another question: where i can find out how to set the "LASH_START_SERVER" variable? can someone give here the explanation, or is there any online literature which i can read? cheers, doc Lars Luthman wrote: >On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 21:53 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > > >>hi lars, really great thing, this is the first lashd control, which >>works for me intuitively! >>muse works good with this. >> >> > >Great to hear. > > > > >>is there anywhere any kind of list of wich appis can be build with >>lash-support? >> >> > >There is an incomplete list on http://lash.nongnu.org . Other than the >ones listed there Dino also supports LASH, and there are patches for >Specimen and ZynAddSubFX. I think there are also (partial?) patches for >Ardour and JACK-rack somewhere. > > > From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Jun 27 10:50:24 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Jun 27 10:39:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0606270714u16bab44fj67d63ca0fda9c7ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0606270617y1f660ffdr1ff2b0f53a268154@mail.gmail.com> <44A1364B.4030500@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0606270714u16bab44fj67d63ca0fda9c7ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44A145B0.1000307@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Massive thanks for the assistance ! Of course, questions engender more questions, so : I can get an Antec P150 with 430W power supply for $150, that seems a good price. Is the PS sufficient for the CPU (2.4 GHz) ? Which Zalman CPU fan should I buy ? I forgot to ask about HD recommendations. I have two aged 15 GB drives I'd like to replace. 80 GB seems like a good start, but I haven't bought a drive for a long time. Suggestions ? Any specific recommendations concerning RAM ? Best, dp From pw_lists at slinkp.com Tue Jun 27 10:50:53 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Jun 27 10:51:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMD64 question In-Reply-To: <1151415514.28727.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <44A124FE.1020002@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0606270617y1f660ffdr1ff2b0f53a268154@mail.gmail.com> <44A1364B.4030500@woh.rr.com> <1151415514.28727.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060627145053.GB27857@slinkp.com> On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 09:38:34AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 09:44 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > > Thanks for those notes, Mark. The Java and Flash stuff does matter to > > me. Any comment on WINE and VST support ? Am I best advised then to > > simply run in 32-bit mode most of the time ? > > wine works on x86_64, but you can't load 32 bit plugins of any type into > a 64 bit host application (unless the plugin API doesn't use pointers > for anything and has all other type widths defined independently of the > CPU type). > > so basically, yes, 32 bit all the way if you want to use > firefox/audio/other plugins. uuuugh, I didn't know about the wine issues (and thus presumably fst). I don't have any vst plugins currently, but I might someday. Is it enough to just compile the host app (e.g. ardour) for 32? -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com