From daneasley at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 00:11:28 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Wed Mar 1 00:11:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] new music In-Reply-To: <1141166849.1386.1.camel@eviltwin> References: <1141166849.1386.1.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: On 2/28/06, Jan Depner wrote: > > Just use Audacity to do the fades. > ah - right you are - thanks! right now i'm using a linux box for synthesis/effects/looping, and a windows box for recording/editing/mixing. having separate machines for those task groups suits me very fine. i'm rather proud of my conservatism in changing audio production systems, but after three years lurking this list, a year or so of casually experimenting with a linux audio station, and now a month or so of solid productive use, i've certainly realized that the windows machine needs an exorcism. :) a year or two ago someone on this list mentioned the stylistic limitations imposed on musicians by the software tools they use. as though different applications, like instruments, had specific idioms. i believe they accused ableton of having a german techno personality (no offense to fans of ableton or german techno - though i'll stick with can). so, dig this - the reason i'm not recording/mixing/editing on a linux box right now is that my current projects are built on the stylistic limitations of my windows programs; it's my impression that the linux programs have (certainly) different, but moreso (in my estimation) LESS limitations than what i've been using, and so music composed with them would not fit with what i've gotten done on the windows box thus far. i'm struck by the irony of my reluctance to move to a different system due to its superior quality. it is artistically self-serving, though - it encourages me to finish off what's sitting on the windows box, and suggests that the stuff i do after that, on a linux setup, will be that much better. i guess i'm having trouble kicking the monkey off my back, but i can't say it's the cure's fault! new tools and instruments really make me happy. a borrowed drumset and the linuxsampler/freewheeling/jack-rack combination have kept me high for months now. -- dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com daneasley@gmail.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From daneasley at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 00:34:35 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Wed Mar 1 00:34:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: bad words In-Reply-To: <200602281449210590.01C7DE1F@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060228142241.12DF6853B85@music.columbia.edu> <200602281449210590.01C7DE1F@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: On 2/28/06, Maluvia wrote: > Re: 'ergo ipso fucto' and rosicrucian-audio-users, > > Silflay hraka, u embleer rah :D As compelled as I am to reply "no thanks, I'm full", what I really mean is that I'm sorry I got involved, and wish you the best of luck. I read the other week that David Gilmour's engineers test every audio cord by running sound both directions, to determine which direction sounds better. I don't know how that works, but Dave's pretty cool. Again, sorry for the earlier sarcasm; I should have learned by now that I can't snuff out fires with gasoline. -- dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com daneasley@gmail.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Mar 1 00:38:41 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Mar 1 00:39:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: linux MIDI controller keyboards In-Reply-To: <4404CDF1.5040605@earthwormandfire.com> References: <4404CDF1.5040605@earthwormandfire.com> Message-ID: Thrieth thou the almighty Shelljam. http://shelljam.sourceforge.net Carlo From jasonjgw at internode.on.net Wed Mar 1 00:42:36 2006 From: jasonjgw at internode.on.net (Jason White) Date: Wed Mar 1 00:42:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <200602282348.57643.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <20060228142241.12DF6853B85@music.columbia.edu> <200602281419040880.01AC24AF@mail.imbris.net> <8d27a0610602281929k69b9d962r64235e76281b10e1@mail.gmail.com> <200602282348.57643.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20060301054236.GA5307@jdc> On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 11:48:57PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 28 February 2006 22:29, Paul Coccoli wrote: > [...] > >I haven't seen this at all on this list. I think it's one of the most > >helpful and tolerant lists out there. But that's just my *perception* > >of it... That's my perception as well. > > Let me second this whole-heartedly. I came in here about 6 weeks back > looking for help, and got it in a clear, concise manner, for which I > hope I gave adequate thanks to those that threw me a lifering. I'm also getting informed help from this list as I try to sort out the configuration of my sound card. Correspondents have been very helpful despite my inability to identify the cause of the trouble. I'm learning more about Alsa as I work on this. From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Wed Mar 1 04:44:00 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (Bal Dobe) Date: Wed Mar 1 04:44:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden 4 problems with 3 distros Message-ID: <003601c63d14$ab3e87c0$0501a8c0@lappie> Hi I am new here trying to get help on Linux. I am having 3 different problems with Rosegarden 4 on 3 different debian distros. Xubuntu 32 bit When I start Rosegarden I get the splash screen then after a while I get an error message flashing up that's too fast to read. Rosegarden does not start up. Xubuntu 64bit I get the RG splashscreen and then a crash sound output (breaking glass). I do not get any error message. aGNUla/deMudi Nothing works when I start it up, no keyboard, no mouse, nothing. The only way out is to hit the system reset button whcih is obvously no good for the system. I also takes longer to recover from sucha position becasue Demudi does a system disk check. I really would like to get Rosegarden up an running as I have ben trying to do so for about a year now (on and off)!. Please let me know what info I need to post to get help on this. Thanks for any help. Bal -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4064 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060301/b3d37585/winmail.bin From jasonjgw at internode.on.net Wed Mar 1 04:56:19 2006 From: jasonjgw at internode.on.net (Jason White) Date: Wed Mar 1 04:56:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Digi9652 with Alsa In-Reply-To: <20060301020239.GA5104@jdc> References: <20060226103038.GA4540@jdc> <1140983146.24141.128.camel@mindpipe> <20060226233737.GA5562@jdc> <20060227105846.GA6452@jdc> <1141049874.4873.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060228050427.GA4172@jdc> <1141132232.2432.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060301001748.GA6983@jdc> <20060301020239.GA5104@jdc> Message-ID: <20060301095619.GA4414@jdc> The problem is now solved. It turns out that plughw:1,0 directs output to the first two channels of the card. However, the "IEC958 output also on ADAT1" amixer option was switched on by default, directing output to the IEC958 (s/pdif) channels to ADAT1, instead of the output of ADAT channels 1 and 2. From comments in the source code it appears that channels 17 and 18 are devoted to s/pdif. When this option is on, I assume that output channels 1 and 2 go nowhere, though this hasn't been confirmed. The solution was to turn off "IEC958 output also on ADAT1"; thereafter, aplay -D plughw:1,0 file.wav worked, that is, produced output on ADAT1 (channels 1 and 2) as desired. From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Wed Mar 1 02:05:01 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (baldobe) Date: Wed Mar 1 05:02:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, need to system reset. Message-ID: <3178614.post@talk.nabble.com> I am having 3 different problems with RG4 on 3 different debian distros. Xubuntu 32 bit When I start Rosegarden I get the splash screen then after a while I get an error message flashing up that's too fast to read. Rosegarden does not start up. Xubuntu 64bit I get the RG splashscreen and then a crash sound output (breaking glass). I do not get any error message. aGNUla/deMudi Nothing works when I start it up, no keyboard, no mouse, nothing. The only way out is to hit the system reset button whcih is obvously no good for the system. I also takes longer to recover from sucha position becasue Demudi does a system disk check. I really would like to get Rosegarden up an running as I have ben trying to do so for about a year now (on and off)!. Please let me know what info I need to post to get help on this. Thanks for any help. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Rosegarden4-Freezes-my-machine%2Cneed-to-system-reset.-t1204043.html#a3178614 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From shakti at bayarea.net Wed Mar 1 06:52:21 2006 From: shakti at bayarea.net (Tracey Hytry) Date: Wed Mar 1 06:52:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <20060301054236.GA5307@jdc> References: <20060228142241.12DF6853B85@music.columbia.edu> <200602281419040880.01AC24AF@mail.imbris.net> <8d27a0610602281929k69b9d962r64235e76281b10e1@mail.gmail.com> <200602282348.57643.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20060301054236.GA5307@jdc> Message-ID: <20060301035221.0a13fe18.shakti@bayarea.net> This discussion is getting tiring, at least for me. The only reason I've been reading all of it is because I also am one of the women on this list. As such, I understand that I can be biased in this. I will try my best to express what I feel about this list. I also consider this list one of the more friendly and helpfull lists around. I've been here for a long time and have never taken things personally when I don't get a positive response back about something I believe in. I would rather have people question my assumptions, giving me greater insights. If I percieve to have gotten a load of crap from the guys here I tend to sleep on it and give myself a chance to take the compassionate route; trying to understand where they're coming from. I really like the linux community(especially lau) and would rather see room for understandings, not differences. I would also try my best to work out differences here, bending a litle in the hopes that others will too. I understand all too well that my reality is mine alone, and my perceptions are mine alone. I think I am smart enough not to present something that is more my perception then others, and not expect to get seriously questioned about my ideas. As I said above, I would rather welcome the backlash as a way for me to expand my knowledge. Yes, a few of things said were harsh. I really didn't like seeing what this did to the list or the greater linux community. I myself took issue with Maluvia's perceptions, this being way before I even know her gender. I didn't jump right in and express my initial reaction that this Maluvia person must be nuts; I kept reading for a few days. Sometimes a little patience goes a long ways on everbody's part. If I was the target of ridicule for my own unpopular opinian I would try to be polite about it for a while. One thing I've really learned about people on mailing lists is that the asses show their colours easily, releasing them from being taken seriously even if they have real knowledge of a subject. I think it's getting too late for me to say much more. I'm tired from getting up too early and it being too late now. I hope I got some of my own feelings across on this. Tracey. BTW, I liked the discussions about guitar amps. etc. I learned a lot, thanks. From rtp405 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 06:55:29 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Wed Mar 1 06:55:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: bad words In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060301115529.21394.qmail@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dan Easley wrote: > On 2/28/06, Maluvia wrote: > > Re: 'ergo ipso fucto' and rosicrucian-audio-users, > > > > Silflay hraka, u embleer rah :D > > As compelled as I am to reply "no thanks, I'm full", > what I really > mean is that I'm sorry I got involved, and wish you > the best of luck. > > I read the other week that David Gilmour's engineers > test every audio > cord by running sound both directions, to determine > which direction > sounds better. roflmao i learned the art of bullshit from my father and i love him dearly for that. some of his pranks are my best childhood memories. ron (minister of misinformation) parker I don't know how that works, but > Dave's pretty cool. > Again, sorry for the earlier sarcasm; I should have > learned by now > that I can't snuff out fires with gasoline. > > -- > dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com > daneasley@gmail.com > http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Wed Mar 1 07:16:52 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (lilli chiffon) Date: Wed Mar 1 07:16:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, need to system reset. In-Reply-To: <3178614.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <3178614.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1141215413.10456.3.camel@yo-machine> Le mardi 28 f?vrier 2006 ? 23:05 -0800, baldobe a ?crit : > I am having 3 different problems with RG4 on 3 different debian distros. > > Xubuntu 32 bit > When I start Rosegarden I get the splash screen then after a while I get an > error message flashing up that's too fast to read. Rosegarden does not > start up. > > Xubuntu 64bit > I get the RG splashscreen and then a crash sound output (breaking glass). I > do not get any error message. > > aGNUla/deMudi > Nothing works when I start it up, no keyboard, no mouse, nothing. The only > way out is to hit the system reset button whcih is obvously no good for the > system. I also takes longer to recover from sucha position becasue Demudi > does a system disk check. > > I really would like to get Rosegarden up an running as I have ben trying to > do so for about a year now (on and off)!. > > Please let me know what info I need to post to get help on this. > > Thanks for any help. > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Rosegarden4-Freezes-my-machine%2Cneed-to-system-reset.-t1204043.html#a3178614 > Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. > > Hi Baldobe I had the same trouble on Debian sarge. I solve it (for the moment) like that : /etc/init.d/realtime start qjackctl start rosegarden4 I hope this is a solution for you P'tit Louis From nescivi at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 08:41:51 2006 From: nescivi at gmail.com (Marije Baalman) Date: Wed Mar 1 08:41:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] WONDER v2.1.0 is out! Message-ID: <4405A49F.1030201@gmail.com> Hi all, After a long while, I am proud to announce that there is a new release of WONDER - Wave field synthesis Of New Dimensions of Electronic music in Realtime It is designed to provide an interface between a wave field synthesis system and the software or hardware composers and performers of electronic music are used to. The current version (v2.1.0) allows the user to either create a composition for the movement of the sound sources in his composition or to control the movements in realtime, either via the gui or via open sound control. More information and download is available on: http://www.kgw.tu-berlin.de/~baalman/ or http://swonder.sourceforge.net This release finally concludes the restructuring of the program, I started well over a year ago (and talked about at the last LAC), and the program should run stable now, having done several tests myself and thoroughly using valgrind to check for memory leaks. :) I created an email list for users of the program, and invite anyone who is interested to subcribe at, to keep up-to-date on developments or to ask questions about the use of the program: http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/swonder-list Yours sincerely, Marije Baalman From x at branwelt.de Wed Mar 1 09:15:07 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Wed Mar 1 09:13:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] play GM-file in rosegarden In-Reply-To: <4405A49F.1030201@gmail.com> References: <4405A49F.1030201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4405AC6B.9010802@branwelt.de> I wanted to easily load a gm-midifile into rosegarden and play it using a soundfont-player (fluid,dssi,timidity,whatever...) and a gm-soundfont, *without re-assigning all the channels and instruments* (that's why gm was invented, wasn't it?) Just load and play, ...but found no way, is there any? Does rosegarden remove ProgramChange events, when importing midifiles? Emanuel From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 10:09:04 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Wed Mar 1 10:09:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Computer Case In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060301150904.42263.qmail@web52611.mail.yahoo.com> I am always looking for a computer case to fit into my rack, but I never thought to get one that could just sit on top! http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3880195342.html --- Dan Easley wrote: > On 2/28/06, Jan Depner > wrote: > > > > Just use Audacity to do the fades. > > > > ah - right you are - thanks! > > right now i'm using a linux box for > synthesis/effects/looping, and a > windows box for recording/editing/mixing. having > separate machines > for those task groups suits me very fine. i'm > rather proud of my > conservatism in changing audio production systems, > but after three > years lurking this list, a year or so of casually > experimenting with a > linux audio station, and now a month or so of solid > productive use, > i've certainly realized that the windows machine > needs an exorcism. :) > > a year or two ago someone on this list mentioned the > stylistic > limitations imposed on musicians by the software > tools they use. as > though different applications, like instruments, had > specific idioms. > i believe they accused ableton of having a german > techno personality > (no offense to fans of ableton or german techno - > though i'll stick > with can). so, dig this - the reason i'm not > recording/mixing/editing > on a linux box right now is that my current projects > are built on the > stylistic limitations of my windows programs; it's > my impression that > the linux programs have (certainly) different, but > moreso (in my > estimation) LESS limitations than what i've been > using, and so music > composed with them would not fit with what i've > gotten done on the > windows box thus far. > > i'm struck by the irony of my reluctance to move to > a different system > due to its superior quality. it is artistically > self-serving, though > - it encourages me to finish off what's sitting on > the windows box, > and suggests that the stuff i do after that, on a > linux setup, will be > that much better. > > i guess i'm having trouble kicking the monkey off my > back, but i can't > say it's the cure's fault! > > new tools and instruments really make me happy. a > borrowed drumset > and the linuxsampler/freewheeling/jack-rack > combination have kept me > high for months now. > > -- > dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com > daneasley@gmail.com > http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From daneasley at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 11:37:10 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Wed Mar 1 11:37:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Computer Case In-Reply-To: <20060301150904.42263.qmail@web52611.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060301150904.42263.qmail@web52611.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 3/1/06, Sean Edwards wrote: > I am always looking for a computer case to fit into my > rack, but I never thought to get one that could just > sit on top! > I'd love to hear recommendations for a 2-4U rack-mounted case shallow enough to fit in a typical audio gear rack (depth limitation of 14/15", as I recall.) -- dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com daneasley@gmail.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From m_nels at gmx.net Wed Mar 1 12:13:50 2006 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Wed Mar 1 12:13:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Computer Case In-Reply-To: References: <20060301150904.42263.qmail@web52611.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4405D64E.4010304@gmx.net> Dan Easley wrote: > On 3/1/06, Sean Edwards wrote: > >>I am always looking for a computer case to fit into my >>rack, but I never thought to get one that could just >>sit on top! >> > > > I'd love to hear recommendations for a 2-4U rack-mounted case shallow > enough to fit in a typical audio gear rack (depth limitation of > 14/15", as I recall.) > You could just buy an empty audio rack case and drill/cut holes to mount the components. Is that deep enough to fit disk drives, an ATX motherboard and power supply comfortably? You might find that a mini-ITX motherboard fits easier. Regards Michael From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Mar 1 12:32:15 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Mar 1 12:32:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audigy 2 question In-Reply-To: <200602282351.52445.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200602282351.52445.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1141234336.5860.128.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 23:51 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > Greetings all; > > Has anyone a url where I might be able to purchase the expansion > interface gizmo for an Audigy 2 value card? You mean the LiveDrive/AudigyDrive? They can be sound on eBay. Lee From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 12:41:46 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Wed Mar 1 12:41:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Computer Case In-Reply-To: <4405D64E.4010304@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20060301174146.5887.qmail@web52611.mail.yahoo.com> Go to http://www.partsexpress.com/ In the quick search box, enter rack chassis as your search term, and in the results page, scroll down to Pro Rack Acc. You will see "blank" 1, 2, and 3 space rack mount boxes. You can also go to eBay (Computers & Networking > Desktop PC Components > PC Case, Tower for Desktop PC) http://computers.listings.ebay.com/Desktop-PC-Components_PC-Case-Tower-for-Desktop-PC_W0QQfromZR4QQsacatZ42014QQsocmdZListingItemList Then enter the term rack into the search box. Just now, I see 89 hits, including ATX cases ranging from 1 to 4 U. --- Michael T D Nelson wrote: > Dan Easley wrote: > > On 3/1/06, Sean Edwards > wrote: > > > >>I am always looking for a computer case to fit > into my > >>rack, but I never thought to get one that could > just > >>sit on top! > >> > > > > > > I'd love to hear recommendations for a 2-4U > rack-mounted case shallow > > enough to fit in a typical audio gear rack (depth > limitation of > > 14/15", as I recall.) > > > > You could just buy an empty audio rack case and > drill/cut holes to mount > the components. > > Is that deep enough to fit disk drives, an ATX > motherboard and power > supply comfortably? You might find that a mini-ITX > motherboard fits easier. > > Regards > Michael > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Wed Mar 1 12:55:30 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (Bal Dobe) Date: Wed Mar 1 12:55:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, need tosystem reset. In-Reply-To: <1141215413.10456.3.camel@yo-machine> Message-ID: <004a01c63d59$54e56020$0501a8c0@lappie> Just so that I am absolutely clear about what I have to do lilli chiffon: In a Terminal window, do I type /etc/init.d/realtime start qjackctl start rosegarden4 And do I have to do these as root or a normal user? Baldobe -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of lilli chiffon Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 12:17 PM To: A list for linux audio users Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, need tosystem reset. Le mardi 28 f?vrier 2006 ? 23:05 -0800, baldobe a ?crit : > I am having 3 different problems with RG4 on 3 different debian distros. > > Xubuntu 32 bit > When I start Rosegarden I get the splash screen then after a while I get an > error message flashing up that's too fast to read. Rosegarden does not > start up. > > Xubuntu 64bit > I get the RG splashscreen and then a crash sound output (breaking glass). I > do not get any error message. > > aGNUla/deMudi > Nothing works when I start it up, no keyboard, no mouse, nothing. The only > way out is to hit the system reset button whcih is obvously no good for the > system. I also takes longer to recover from sucha position becasue Demudi > does a system disk check. > > I really would like to get Rosegarden up an running as I have ben trying to > do so for about a year now (on and off)!. > > Please let me know what info I need to post to get help on this. > > Thanks for any help. > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Rosegarden4-Freezes-my-machine%2Cneed-to-system-re set.-t1204043.html#a3178614 > Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. > > Hi Baldobe I had the same trouble on Debian sarge. I solve it (for the moment) like that : /etc/init.d/realtime start qjackctl start rosegarden4 I hope this is a solution for you P'tit Louis __________ NOD32 1.1422 (20060301) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Wed Mar 1 13:17:07 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (lilli chiffon) Date: Wed Mar 1 13:17:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, need tosystem reset. In-Reply-To: <004a01c63d59$54e56020$0501a8c0@lappie> References: <004a01c63d59$54e56020$0501a8c0@lappie> Message-ID: <1141237027.11101.7.camel@yo-machine> Le mercredi 01 mars 2006 ? 17:55 +0000, Bal Dobe a ?crit : > Just so that I am absolutely clear about what I have to do lilli > chiffon: > > In a Terminal window, do I type > > /etc/init.d/realtime start > qjackctl > start > rosegarden4 > > And do I have to do these as root or a normal user? > > Baldobe > Hi Baldobe, Here's that i do before using rosegarden4 (and avoid the freeze) In terminal, as root type : /etc/init.d/realtime start (it's allow a simple user to use applications needing realtime capabilities) But you must compile as module in your kernel (personnaly i use modules-assistant to do this) Qjackctl is the GUI for jack, and after launch it you start it (with the start button lol) And then you launch rosegarden4 Am i clear ? Hope it's helping you. P'tit Louis From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Wed Mar 1 14:07:47 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (Bal Dobe) Date: Wed Mar 1 14:08:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, needtosystem reset. In-Reply-To: <1141237027.11101.7.camel@yo-machine> Message-ID: <004b01c63d63$732eee70$0501a8c0@lappie> P'tit Louis Thanks for your email, I am clear about what I thought I had to do as root. "In terminal, as root type : /etc/init.d/realtime start (it's allow a simple user to use applications needing realtime capabilities) " Butr then I am a bit confused about what you mean next: "But you must compile as module in your kernel (personnaly i use modules-assistant to do this)" How do I do this and what do I do exactly. Please bear with me, I am sure I will get there. Baldobe. -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of lilli chiffon Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:17 PM To: A list for linux audio users Subject: RE: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, needtosystem reset. Le mercredi 01 mars 2006 ? 17:55 +0000, Bal Dobe a ?crit : > Just so that I am absolutely clear about what I have to do lilli > chiffon: > > In a Terminal window, do I type > > /etc/init.d/realtime start > qjackctl > start > rosegarden4 > > And do I have to do these as root or a normal user? > > Baldobe > Hi Baldobe, Here's that i do before using rosegarden4 (and avoid the freeze) In terminal, as root type : /etc/init.d/realtime start (it's allow a simple user to use applications needing realtime capabilities) But you must compile as module in your kernel (personnaly i use modules-assistant to do this) Qjackctl is the GUI for jack, and after launch it you start it (with the start button lol) And then you launch rosegarden4 Am i clear ? Hope it's helping you. P'tit Louis __________ NOD32 1.1422 (20060301) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Wed Mar 1 14:31:04 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (Bal Dobe) Date: Wed Mar 1 14:31:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, needtosystem reset. In-Reply-To: <1141237027.11101.7.camel@yo-machine> Message-ID: <004c01c63d66$ae45b400$0501a8c0@lappie> I tried that and I get the message Realtime command not found When I type Qjackctl I get an error window which says Could not open Alsa sequencer as a client, midi patchbay will not be available. Bal -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of lilli chiffon Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:17 PM To: A list for linux audio users Subject: RE: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, needtosystem reset. Le mercredi 01 mars 2006 ? 17:55 +0000, Bal Dobe a ?crit : > Just so that I am absolutely clear about what I have to do lilli > chiffon: > > In a Terminal window, do I type > > /etc/init.d/realtime start > qjackctl > start > rosegarden4 > > And do I have to do these as root or a normal user? > > Baldobe > Hi Baldobe, Here's that i do before using rosegarden4 (and avoid the freeze) In terminal, as root type : /etc/init.d/realtime start (it's allow a simple user to use applications needing realtime capabilities) But you must compile as module in your kernel (personnaly i use modules-assistant to do this) Qjackctl is the GUI for jack, and after launch it you start it (with the start button lol) And then you launch rosegarden4 Am i clear ? Hope it's helping you. P'tit Louis __________ NOD32 1.1422 (20060301) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Wed Mar 1 14:43:34 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Mar 1 14:43:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, needtosystem reset. In-Reply-To: <004c01c63d66$ae45b400$0501a8c0@lappie> References: <004c01c63d66$ae45b400$0501a8c0@lappie> Message-ID: <200603012043.34089.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 01 March 2006 20:31, Bal Dobe wrote: > I tried that and I get the message > > Realtime command not found > > > When I type > Qjackctl > > I get an error window which says > Could not open Alsa sequencer as a client, midi patchbay will not be > available. > > Bal Hi Bal. This means that the snd-seq-midi module isn't loaded. On the CLI as root, run. modprobe snd-seq-midi , and now this error should be gone. You don't have to use realtime, and I still don't have it working on my Debian installs, but it does work on my Fedora Core installs, but they are a bit different. Start Qjackctl after modprobing snd-seq-midi, then go to setup, and uncheck the realtime box. Now try to start jack. If it starts ok, then try Rosegarden4. Nigel. I'll come back with where you have to put snd-seq-midi, so that it loads at bootup, as I'm not booted into Debian at the mo. > > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu > [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of lilli > chiffon > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:17 PM > To: A list for linux audio users > Subject: RE: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, > needtosystem reset. > > Le mercredi 01 mars 2006 ? 17:55 +0000, Bal Dobe a ?crit : > > Just so that I am absolutely clear about what I have to do lilli > > chiffon: > > > > In a Terminal window, do I type > > > > /etc/init.d/realtime start > > qjackctl > > start > > rosegarden4 > > > > And do I have to do these as root or a normal user? > > > > Baldobe > > Hi Baldobe, > > Here's that i do before using rosegarden4 (and avoid the freeze) > > In terminal, as root type : /etc/init.d/realtime start (it's allow a > simple user to use applications needing realtime capabilities) But you > must compile as module in your kernel (personnaly i use > modules-assistant to do this) > > Qjackctl is the GUI for jack, and after launch it you start it (with the > start button lol) > > And then you launch rosegarden4 > > Am i clear ? > > Hope it's helping you. > > P'tit Louis > > > __________ NOD32 1.1422 (20060301) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From ce at christeck.de Wed Mar 1 14:47:16 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Wed Mar 1 14:47:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Bristol Audio synthesiser emulation In-Reply-To: <20060227235607.GB6442@linux-1> References: <200602280041.55024.ce@christeck.de> <20060227235607.GB6442@linux-1> Message-ID: <200603012047.16967.ce@christeck.de> Fons, > You can pull it to the correct pitch with the pitch bender. > I stick a piece of paper besides the wheel to block it to the > correct position - it's just within range :-) as always it was *much* simpler. Fluidsynth has a command line switch, and even qsynth has preferences where I can select: jack @ 24/48. I just have connected the output of fluidsynth to jack-rack, loading a tremolo and a reverb. Guess what I'll do the next hour ;-) . Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Wed Mar 1 14:48:39 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Wed Mar 1 14:48:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Bristol Audio synthesiser emulation In-Reply-To: <200602281247.53197.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <200602280041.55024.ce@christeck.de> <200602281247.53197.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200603012048.40359.ce@christeck.de> Hi, > You can select the sample rate when you start fluidsynth, even with > the qsynth gui. argh, that simple. Why did noone tell me ?RTFM?, eh ;-) ? Best regards ce From terakuma at imbris.net Wed Mar 1 15:19:34 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Wed Mar 1 15:20:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: bad words In-Reply-To: <20060301095631.5D545882E13@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060301095631.5D545882E13@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603011219340850.015E4454@mail.imbris.net> >As compelled as I am to reply "no thanks, I'm full", what I really >mean is that I'm sorry I got involved, and wish you the best of luck. Thanks, Dan. :) >I read the other week that David Gilmour's engineers test every audio >cord by running sound both directions, to determine which direction >sounds better. I don't know how that works, but Dave's pretty cool. One of our heros - and actually, we do that too. We started doing that when we switched to Zaolla cables since they are designed to have a preferred direction for the signal flow, (but they no longer put the arrows on the cables). Cheers, Maluvia From terakuma at imbris.net Wed Mar 1 15:24:26 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Wed Mar 1 15:24:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <20060301163723.5EE6C8904E4@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060301163723.5EE6C8904E4@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603011224260780.0162B8E0@mail.imbris.net> >But, you are here talking on a list dedicated to digital audio, where, >as a founding principle, we all agree on the fact that results drawn >from a computer's work are predictable >So, by definition, your bravely defended opinion is as much off-topic as >it can get Dave, Perhaps I mistook the meaning of 'Linux Audio User' - assuming that it meant the list was just a community of Linux_Audio_Users to discuss pretty much anything and everything of mutual interest. (I have seen discussions on what music people like (not focused on 'digital audio'), extremely prolonged threads on copyright, and other occasional threads even further removed from 'digital audio', and no one seemed to consider them inappropriate or OT. I think my thread went down in flames because I made comments that people just plain found offensive or took extreme exception to, not because it was OT. As you say, some comments I made appear to call into question basic premises most of you take as absolutely fundamental, and were hence unwelcome if not heretical. I have no further interest in debating this issue here - in fact I never did. I wanted to discuss the issue of bit-depth and its importance to audio fidelity, but my thread got hijacked by those who took exception to my comments about digital degradation - (which itself was just an off-hand comment on my part.) >If you're trolling, you do it well, because I've just fed you. ;) I don't do that - never my intention to raise such a ruckus. I think it's all Carlo's fault. He's so wild and crazy and spontaneous, he just made me feel like I could speak with similar impunity about whatever I thought - however radical, and be similarly open and spontaneous about my views. I will henceforth try really hard to stick to an 'acceptable' range of topics, though you've got me genuinely confused now about just what those are. >This discussion is getting tiring, at least for me. It got tiring for me quite a while back - I just have a tendency to go down fighting. ;) >The only reason I've been reading all of it is because I also am one of >the women on this list. As such, I understand that I can be biased in >this. I will try my best to express what I feel about this list. Please note: I never raised gender as being the issue here - I am (now) well aware that my ideas sound radical and provocative. >I also consider this list one of the more friendly and helpfull lists >around. I've been here for a long time and have never taken things >personally I commend you on your tolerance and wisdom - you doubtless have a thicker skin than I. >Sometimes a little patience goes a long ways on everbody's part. If I was >the target of ridicule for my own unpopular opinian I would try to be >polite about it for a while. Actually, I thought I *was* showing enormous restraint and politeness in response to the insults. (The 'bad words' thread is different - we're just having fun there.) > I hope I got some of my own feelings across on this. Thanks for your input - glad to know I'm not alone here. :) If this disastrous thread demonstrates anything, I think it shows why people like me do better on forums. That way if a weird topic gets started, people can just avoid it like the plague and focus on the ones that they find relevant. It's harder on a list - regardless of all your suggestions about filters, search functions and what not. When I scan through a digest, I end up reading a little bit of everything whether I want to or not. I'll have to go back through the archives and find out what happened w/re to that forum proposal. (Dan's idea is sounding better and better - maybe I will start an occultist's-audio-user list.) :D >>I haven't seen this at all on this list. I think it's one of the most >>helpful and tolerant lists out there. But that's just my *perception* >>of it... > >Let me second this whole-heartedly. I came in here about 6 weeks back >looking for help, and got it in a clear, concise manner, Your absolutely right - you're all a bunch of angels. :D I'm the devil in the black dress. }:> Carry on . . . . . - Maluvia From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Wed Mar 1 15:39:49 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Mar 1 15:40:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, needtosystem reset. In-Reply-To: <200603012043.34089.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <004c01c63d66$ae45b400$0501a8c0@lappie> <200603012043.34089.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <200603012139.49633.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 01 March 2006 20:43, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Wednesday 01 March 2006 20:31, Bal Dobe wrote: > > I tried that and I get the message > > > > Realtime command not found > > > > > > When I type > > Qjackctl > > > > I get an error window which says > > Could not open Alsa sequencer as a client, midi patchbay will not be > > available. > > > > Bal > > Hi Bal. This means that the snd-seq-midi module isn't loaded. On the CLI as > root, run. modprobe snd-seq-midi , and now this error should be gone. You > don't have to use realtime, and I still don't have it working on my Debian > installs, but it does work on my Fedora Core installs, but they are a bit > different. Start Qjackctl after modprobing snd-seq-midi, then go to setup, > and uncheck the realtime box. Now try to start jack. If it starts ok, then > try Rosegarden4. Nigel. > > I'll come back with where you have to put snd-seq-midi, so that it loads at > bootup, as I'm not booted into Debian at the mo. Hi Bal. I'm back in Debian Sarge now. On the CLI, su to root, and open a text editor, gedit,kwrite or something. Go to /etc/modules. Add on a new line. snd-seq-midi . Save it and exit. The module should now load at bootup. Nigel. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu > > [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of lilli > > chiffon > > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:17 PM > > To: A list for linux audio users > > Subject: RE: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, > > needtosystem reset. > > > > Le mercredi 01 mars 2006 ? 17:55 +0000, Bal Dobe a ?crit : > > > Just so that I am absolutely clear about what I have to do lilli > > > chiffon: > > > > > > In a Terminal window, do I type > > > > > > /etc/init.d/realtime start > > > qjackctl > > > start > > > rosegarden4 > > > > > > And do I have to do these as root or a normal user? > > > > > > Baldobe > > > > Hi Baldobe, > > > > Here's that i do before using rosegarden4 (and avoid the freeze) > > > > In terminal, as root type : /etc/init.d/realtime start (it's allow a > > simple user to use applications needing realtime capabilities) But you > > must compile as module in your kernel (personnaly i use > > modules-assistant to do this) > > > > Qjackctl is the GUI for jack, and after launch it you start it (with the > > start button lol) > > > > And then you launch rosegarden4 > > > > Am i clear ? > > > > Hope it's helping you. > > > > P'tit Louis > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1422 (20060301) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From terakuma at imbris.net Wed Mar 1 15:59:25 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Wed Mar 1 15:59:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity References: <20060301163723.5EE6C8904E4@music.columbia.edu> <200603011224260780.0162B8E0@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <200603011259250700.0182C101@mail.imbris.net> Paul and others here have alread got me sold on the idea of Apogee converters, but I just checked the prices on them - whooooo boy!!! - that hurts. At those prices, they damn well better be the best converters out there! - M From res0u2uc at verizon.net Wed Mar 1 16:47:19 2006 From: res0u2uc at verizon.net (res0u2uc@verizon.net) Date: Wed Mar 1 16:46:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <200603011224260780.0162B8E0@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060301163723.5EE6C8904E4@music.columbia.edu> <200603011224260780.0162B8E0@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <20060301214719.GA28383@sprite> On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 12:24:26PM -0800, Maluvia wrote: > > Your absolutely right - you're all a bunch of angels. :D > I'm the devil in the black dress. }:> > > Carry on . . . . . > > - Maluvia I am called to comment, with what I would hope are understanding and compassion. We all live under superstitions. Someone who is a brilliant musician has the strangest misconceptions regarding themselves and personal relationships... let us say about love. Someone wise in the realm of relationships and communication is woefully ignorant about electrical matters... cannot so much as change a lightbulb. So whenever we encounter what we believe to be ignorance in an area we are knowledgeable, perhaps it stings inwardly because of all the huge universes of our own darkness that surround the particular oasis of illumination at which we water (to mix metaphors.) At any rate, encountering what one believes to be emphatic ignorance often leads to strong reactions. On the subject of the direction of signals in cables, I think I can offer to put the issue to rest by reminding all parties that audio signals from a microphone or to a loudspeaker are carried by the AC (alternating current) component of electron movement. Thus the direction of the electric current reverses many thousands of times each second, more or less depending on the pitch. One can verify this by using a sinewave generator to drive a loudspeaker while watching the waveform on an oscilloscope. One immediately observes the waveform going both above and below the zero point. A change in the sign of the voltage means that the current flows in the opposite direction. To those of us to whom this is deeply understood to the point of being intuitive, we are surprised to encounter another opinion--as tho someone were arguing that the earth is flat, or that intercourse is not a factor in the making of babies. Perhaps this idea is harder to grasp for a person without an intuitive familiarity with the behavior of negative qualities--a rather recent cultural development. It is one thing to attempt to convince a person that they are mistaken, another to admit one is wrong on a subject one has been convinced for many years: the latter requires humility, the former can tolerate any amount of arrogance. We all grow inasmuch as we can recognize and learn from our own experience, and from the wisdom of others. All of which takes place more readily in an atmosphere of mutual respect. Thank you for your attention. -- Joel Roth From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Mar 1 17:52:33 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Mar 1 16:52:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <20060301214719.GA28383@sprite> References: <20060301163723.5EE6C8904E4@music.columbia.edu> <200603011224260780.0162B8E0@mail.imbris.net> <20060301214719.GA28383@sprite> Message-ID: <20060301225233.GA12679@slinkp.com> On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 06:47:19AM +0900, res0u2uc@verizon.net wrote: > On the subject of the direction of signals in cables, I > think I can offer to put the issue to rest by reminding > all parties that audio signals from a microphone or to a > loudspeaker are carried by the AC (alternating current) > component of electron movement. Thus the direction of the > electric current reverses many thousands of times each > second, more or less depending on the pitch. thanks, I was going to say much the same thing. The only exception I can think of is when there's a DC offset to the signal of sufficient voltage to force the signal always be positive (or always negative). But that would mean something's broken :) -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From res0u2uc at verizon.net Wed Mar 1 17:09:35 2006 From: res0u2uc at verizon.net (res0u2uc@verizon.net) Date: Wed Mar 1 17:08:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <20060301225233.GA12679@slinkp.com> References: <20060301163723.5EE6C8904E4@music.columbia.edu> <200603011224260780.0162B8E0@mail.imbris.net> <20060301214719.GA28383@sprite> <20060301225233.GA12679@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20060301220935.GA28660@sprite> On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 04:52:33PM -0600, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 06:47:19AM +0900, res0u2uc@verizon.net wrote: > > On the subject of the direction of signals in cables, I > > think I can offer to put the issue to rest by reminding > > all parties that audio signals from a microphone or to a > > loudspeaker are carried by the AC (alternating current) > > component of electron movement. Thus the direction of the > > electric current reverses many thousands of times each > > second, more or less depending on the pitch. > > thanks, I was going to say much the same thing. > > The only exception I can think of is when there's a > DC offset to the signal of sufficient voltage to force the > signal always be positive (or always negative). > But that would mean something's broken :) Not necessarily broken. Class A amplifiers do their work with sufficient DC offset that the signal never changes direction. Even so, the music is carried by an AC *component* which is present, and may be separated out by using a transformer. It is also a conceptual jump to appreciate how a DC signal can include an AC component. I balance my relative familiarity in this area with my abundant ignorance on the subject of music and recording! > > -- > > Paul Winkler > http://www.slinkp.com -- Joel Roth From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Wed Mar 1 17:15:37 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Wed Mar 1 17:12:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: bad words In-Reply-To: <200603011219340850.015E4454@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060301095631.5D545882E13@music.columbia.edu> <200603011219340850.015E4454@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <20060301221537.GD4966@linux-1> On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 12:19:34PM -0800, Maluvia wrote: > >I read the other week that David Gilmour's engineers test every audio > >cord by running sound both directions, to determine which direction > >sounds better. I don't know how that works, but Dave's pretty cool. > > One of our heros - and actually, we do that too. > We started doing that when we switched to Zaolla cables since they are > designed to have a preferred direction for the signal flow, (but they no > longer put the arrows on the cables). Don't forget to flush out the old and tired electrons every two weeks. -- FA From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Wed Mar 1 17:18:27 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (lilli chiffon) Date: Wed Mar 1 17:18:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, needtosystem reset. In-Reply-To: <200603012139.49633.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <004c01c63d66$ae45b400$0501a8c0@lappie> <200603012043.34089.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200603012139.49633.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <1141251507.11101.22.camel@yo-machine> Le mercredi 01 mars 2006 ? 21:39 +0100, Nigel Henry a ?crit : > On Wednesday 01 March 2006 20:43, Nigel Henry wrote: > > On Wednesday 01 March 2006 20:31, Bal Dobe wrote: > > > I tried that and I get the message > > > > > > Realtime command not found > > > > > > > > > When I type > > > Qjackctl > > > > > > I get an error window which says > > > Could not open Alsa sequencer as a client, midi patchbay will not be > > > available. > > > > > > Bal > > > > Hi Bal. This means that the snd-seq-midi module isn't loaded. On the CLI as > > root, run. modprobe snd-seq-midi , and now this error should be gone. You > > don't have to use realtime, and I still don't have it working on my Debian > > installs, but it does work on my Fedora Core installs, but they are a bit > > different. Start Qjackctl after modprobing snd-seq-midi, then go to setup, > > and uncheck the realtime box. Now try to start jack. If it starts ok, then > > try Rosegarden4. Nigel. > > > > I'll come back with where you have to put snd-seq-midi, so that it loads at > > bootup, as I'm not booted into Debian at the mo. > > Hi Bal. I'm back in Debian Sarge now. On the CLI, su to root, and open a text > editor, gedit,kwrite or something. Go to /etc/modules. Add on a new line. > snd-seq-midi . Save it and exit. The module should now load at bootup. Nigel. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu > > > [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of lilli > > > chiffon > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:17 PM > > > To: A list for linux audio users > > > Subject: RE: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, > > > needtosystem reset. > > > > > > Le mercredi 01 mars 2006 ? 17:55 +0000, Bal Dobe a ?crit : > > > > Just so that I am absolutely clear about what I have to do lilli > > > > chiffon: > > > > > > > > In a Terminal window, do I type > > > > > > > > /etc/init.d/realtime start > > > > qjackctl > > > > start > > > > rosegarden4 > > > > > > > > And do I have to do these as root or a normal user? > > > > > > > > Baldobe > > > > > > Hi Baldobe, > > > > > > Here's that i do before using rosegarden4 (and avoid the freeze) > > > > > > In terminal, as root type : /etc/init.d/realtime start (it's allow a > > > simple user to use applications needing realtime capabilities) But you > > > must compile as module in your kernel (personnaly i use > > > modules-assistant to do this) > > > > > > Qjackctl is the GUI for jack, and after launch it you start it (with the > > > start button lol) > > > > > > And then you launch rosegarden4 > > > > > > Am i clear ? > > > > > > Hope it's helping you. > > > > > > P'tit Louis > > > > > > Hi Baldobe, First Nigel was wright about the realtime module, i mean i just do the experience without and it works !! Thanks Nigel, you save my day !! I think that this module is loaded at the boot. Follow the explanation of Nigel about the /etc/modules to load the snd-seq-midi module. Then it's easier if you have the GUI to jack. You can configure rosegarden4 to launch jack with it, for me it doesn't work. But you had to start qjackctl (the GUI in question). And i have a question : Do you have a multimedia kernel ? Personnaly i prefer use a homemade 2.6.14 kernel If not, you can follow this howto : http://esaracco.free.fr/documentations/linuxaudio/linuxaudio/ It was given to me by a member of this list, and it's appropriate. And i would like to apologize if i'm not clear, english is not my native language. Enjoy P'tit Louis From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Mar 1 17:22:44 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Mar 1 17:22:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: bad words In-Reply-To: <20060301221537.GD4966@linux-1> References: <20060301095631.5D545882E13@music.columbia.edu> <200603011219340850.015E4454@mail.imbris.net> <20060301221537.GD4966@linux-1> Message-ID: <1141251765.5860.266.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 23:15 +0100, fons adriaensen wrote: > On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 12:19:34PM -0800, Maluvia wrote: > > > >I read the other week that David Gilmour's engineers test every audio > > >cord by running sound both directions, to determine which direction > > >sounds better. I don't know how that works, but Dave's pretty cool. > > > > One of our heros - and actually, we do that too. > > We started doing that when we switched to Zaolla cables since they are > > designed to have a preferred direction for the signal flow, (but they no > > longer put the arrows on the cables). > > Don't forget to flush out the old and tired electrons every two weeks. > If the capacitance of the guitar cable is known to affect the sound then isn't it plausible that this could have an effect? Lee From phil at rephil.org Wed Mar 1 17:23:32 2006 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Wed Mar 1 17:24:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] directional cable questions In-Reply-To: <20060301215248.3C5868A0E09@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060301215248.3C5868A0E09@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <59165.130.179.26.225.1141251812.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> Maluvia spoke in tongues: > One of our heros - and actually, we do that too. > We started doing that when we switched to Zaolla cables since they are > designed to have a preferred direction for the signal flow, (but they no > longer put the arrows on the cables). How, then, does the sound know which direction to go? You're not worried about rectification or picking up AM radio, are you? If I had cables with the arrows, how much would it cost to upgrade to cables without the arrows? Is there a kit? How would you characterise the difference between the sound of the older and newer cables? If I were to build a suspension bridge out of such cables, provided they were aligned correctly, would anyone be interested in purchasing one? (I bet it would sound great!) Just asking, of course. From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Wed Mar 1 17:24:09 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Wed Mar 1 17:36:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <20060301225233.GA12679@slinkp.com> References: <20060301163723.5EE6C8904E4@music.columbia.edu> <200603011224260780.0162B8E0@mail.imbris.net> <20060301214719.GA28383@sprite> <20060301225233.GA12679@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20060301222409.GE4966@linux-1> On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 04:52:33PM -0600, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 06:47:19AM +0900, res0u2uc@verizon.net wrote: > > On the subject of the direction of signals in cables, I > > think I can offer to put the issue to rest by reminding > > all parties that audio signals from a microphone or to a > > loudspeaker are carried by the AC (alternating current) > > component of electron movement. Thus the direction of the > > electric current reverses many thousands of times each > > second, more or less depending on the pitch. > > thanks, I was going to say much the same thing. That's true of course, but the energy flow is always in the same direction. Not that it matters - the whole directional cable issue is just one of the many hypes created to make easy money out of ignorant consumers. -- FA From terakuma at imbris.net Wed Mar 1 17:59:49 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Wed Mar 1 18:00:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <20060301215248.3C5868A0E09@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060301215248.3C5868A0E09@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603011459490280.01F0FE70@mail.imbris.net> >I am called to comment, with what I would hope are >understanding and compassion. . . . . . . . . . . . . >So whenever we encounter what we believe to be ignorance in >an area we are knowledgeable, perhaps it stings inwardly >because of all the huge universes of our own darkness that >surround the particular oasis of illumination at which >we water (to mix metaphors.) I really like that! - mixed metaphors, or no. >On the subject of the direction of signals in cables, I >think I can offer to put the issue to rest by reminding >all parties that audio signals from a microphone or to a >loudspeaker are carried by the AC (alternating current) >component of electron movement. Thus the direction of the >electric current reverses many thousands of times each >second, more or less depending on the pitch. But - but - but - it said on the Zaolla site - "Cables for Discerning Audio and Video Connoisseurs" - that they were unidirectional! OK - I just went back and checked - *now* they changed it to *omnidirectional* - it's just the silver conductor that is 'unidirectionally solidified'. (If you read through all those pages of specs, though, you gotta admit it's pretty impressive design.) I'll now have to disappoint you by saying we still think they sound slightly different depending upon which way they're hooked up, and I'm not even going to appeal to any physics - just magic. (How can you make music without a little magic?) So don't hit me on the head, just allow me my perceptions - they harm no one. >To those of us to whom this is deeply understood to the >point of being intuitive, we are surprised to encounter >another opinion--as tho someone were arguing that the >earth is flat, or that intercourse is not a factor in >the making of babies. > >It is one thing to attempt to convince a person that they >are mistaken, another to admit one is wrong on a subject one >has been convinced for many years: the latter requires >humility, the former can tolerate any amount of arrogance. > >We all grow inasmuch as we can recognize and learn from our >own experience, and from the wisdom of others. > >All of which takes place more readily in an atmosphere of >mutual respect. Wow Joel - that *was* truly compassionate. I've gotta give you a big hug for that. [hug] - Maluvia :) Disclaimer: [No scientists, programmers, musicians or metaphysicians were harmed in the course of this discussion.] From terakuma at imbris.net Wed Mar 1 19:06:51 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Wed Mar 1 19:07:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <20060301215248.3C5868A0E09@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060301215248.3C5868A0E09@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603011606510810.022E61A8@mail.imbris.net> Not to beat a dead dog, but . . . Before we blow a once-a-year tax refund on an Apogee converter, could someone - a compassionate scientist perhaps - explain to me why an Apogee converter is so vastly superior to the converter in, say, an RME hdsp9632 - as to justify it's second-mortgage price tag? (I know the best way to find out would be to just listen, but we can't afford to order one just to test it out.) At least Zaolla has 6 pages of detailed engineering specs, data, tests, charts, etc. to back up their claims, whereas with Apogee - they just seem to expect you to take their word for it. - Maluvia From rtp405 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 19:26:18 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Wed Mar 1 19:26:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <200603011259250700.0182C101@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <20060302002618.93106.qmail@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Maluvia wrote: > Paul and others here have alread got me sold on the > idea of Apogee > converters, but I just checked the prices on them - > whooooo boy!!! - that > hurts. Many people recommend Apogee. I don't. How much profit does your music generate (I don't actually want to know)? If not enough to purchase Apogee many times over then to hell with their over priced junk. Do yourself a favor and purchase some advertising. Well, that's what I do but of course I am clueless about what anyone else should do. And I fully intend to remain entirely clueless. ron > At those prices, they damn well better be the best > converters out there! > > - M > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dplist at free.fr Wed Mar 1 19:27:52 2006 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Wed Mar 1 19:29:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <200603011224260780.0162B8E0@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060301163723.5EE6C8904E4@music.columbia.edu> <200603011224260780.0162B8E0@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <20060302012752.272e71f0.dplist@free.fr> On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:24:26 -0800 "Maluvia" wrote: > As you say, some comments I made appear to call into question basic > premises most of you take as absolutely fundamental, and were hence > unwelcome if not heretical. Yes, this is what I meant. And yes, there are OT threads on LAU, and they sometimes are enlightening, insightful, memorable or just plain boring. But questioning the core principle of computer programming or computer use is bound to be received ("perceived" :) as provocation. And argue with people like Paul Davis on *this very subject* is bound to failure, if not rude. And I personaly wouldn't use a word like "heretical" here, I'm too wary of religious perceptions (once again !) to use such a heavy word. There is an agreement on using the same tools here, not a dogma we obey to. Anyway, I wish you to keep having a good time making or listening to music, through whatever device pleases you the most. Hearing is great. But this is just my perception of things ... ;) -- David From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Wed Mar 1 19:58:03 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (baldobe) Date: Wed Mar 1 19:58:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Any one using 6Strudio? Message-ID: <3195113.post@talk.nabble.com> I discovered the 64Stdudio site today and was wondering if people have any opinions on it. I have the HW to use it but it is in alpha stage at the moment so I am wondeirng if I am going tobe spending all my time on the techie side of things rather than using mylinuxtoys to make muisc. I have been struggling along with linux on various distros trying to get a working DAW and I still do have a machine that I can use to make music. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Any-one-using-6Strudio--t1209220.html#a3195113 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Wed Mar 1 19:58:03 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (baldobe) Date: Wed Mar 1 19:58:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Any one using 6Strudio? Message-ID: <3195113.post@talk.nabble.com> I discovered the 64Studio site today and was wondering if people have any opinions on it. I have the HW to use it but it is in alpha stage at the moment so I am wondeirng if I am going tobe spending all my time on the techie side of things rather than using mylinuxtoys to make muisc. I have been struggling along with linux on various distros trying to get a working DAW and I still do have a machine that I can use to make music. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Any-one-using-6Strudio--t1209220.html#a3195113 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From aaron at nquit.com Wed Mar 1 20:01:49 2006 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron Trumm) Date: Wed Mar 1 20:01:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Any one using 6Strudio? In-Reply-To: <3195113.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <3195113.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1141261309.12821.0.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> Send link On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 16:58 -0800, baldobe wrote: > I discovered the 64Studio site today and was wondering if people have any > opinions on it. I have the HW to use it but it is in alpha stage at the > moment so I am wondeirng if I am going tobe spending all my time on the > techie side of things rather than using mylinuxtoys to make muisc. > > I have been struggling along with linux on various distros trying to get a > working DAW and I still do have a machine that I can use to make music. > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Any-one-using-6Strudio--t1209220.html#a3195113 > Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. > From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Wed Mar 1 20:15:59 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (Bal Dobe) Date: Wed Mar 1 20:16:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Any one using 6Strudio? In-Reply-To: <1141261309.12821.0.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <005201c63d96$dd52aed0$0501a8c0@lappie> Fair comment, I was assuming that people already knew about it, but here it is: http://www.64studio.com/ -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Aaron Trumm Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:02 AM To: A list for linux audio users Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Any one using 6Strudio? Send link On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 16:58 -0800, baldobe wrote: > I discovered the 64Studio site today and was wondering if people have any > opinions on it. I have the HW to use it but it is in alpha stage at the > moment so I am wondeirng if I am going tobe spending all my time on the > techie side of things rather than using mylinuxtoys to make muisc. > > I have been struggling along with linux on various distros trying to get a > working DAW and I still do have a machine that I can use to make music. > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Any-one-using-6Strudio--t1209220.html#a3195113 > Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. > __________ NOD32 1.1423 (20060301) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From aaron at nquit.com Wed Mar 1 20:22:15 2006 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron Trumm) Date: Wed Mar 1 20:22:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Any one using 6Strudio? In-Reply-To: <005201c63d96$dd52aed0$0501a8c0@lappie> References: <005201c63d96$dd52aed0$0501a8c0@lappie> Message-ID: <1141262535.12821.3.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> I don't get it. It says "64 Studio is a collection of software for digital content creation on x86_64 hardware" what does that mean? what is this? On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 01:15 +0000, Bal Dobe wrote: > Fair comment, I was assuming that people already knew about it, but > here it is: > > http://www.64studio.com/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu > [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Aaron > Trumm > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:02 AM > To: A list for linux audio users > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Any one using 6Strudio? > > Send link > > On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 16:58 -0800, baldobe wrote: > > I discovered the 64Studio site today and was wondering if people have > any > > opinions on it. I have the HW to use it but it is in alpha stage at > the > > moment so I am wondeirng if I am going tobe spending all my time on > the > > techie side of things rather than using mylinuxtoys to make muisc. > > > > I have been struggling along with linux on various distros trying to > get a > > working DAW and I still do have a machine that I can use to make > music. > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/Any-one-using-6Strudio--t1209220.html#a3195113 > > Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1423 (20060301) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From michael at michaelshiloh.com Wed Mar 1 20:08:39 2006 From: michael at michaelshiloh.com (michael@michaelshiloh.com) Date: Wed Mar 1 20:25:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Any one using 6Strudio? In-Reply-To: <1141262535.12821.3.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> References: <005201c63d96$dd52aed0$0501a8c0@lappie> <1141262535.12821.3.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> Message-ID: It's a collection of audio applications that run on Linux and a 64 bit processor On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Aaron Trumm wrote: > I don't get it. It says "64 Studio is a collection of software for > digital content creation on x86_64 hardware" > > what does that mean? what is this? > > On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 01:15 +0000, Bal Dobe wrote: >> Fair comment, I was assuming that people already knew about it, but >> here it is: >> >> http://www.64studio.com/ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu >> [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Aaron >> Trumm >> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:02 AM >> To: A list for linux audio users >> Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Any one using 6Strudio? >> >> Send link >> >> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 16:58 -0800, baldobe wrote: >>> I discovered the 64Studio site today and was wondering if people have >> any >>> opinions on it. I have the HW to use it but it is in alpha stage at >> the >>> moment so I am wondeirng if I am going tobe spending all my time on >> the >>> techie side of things rather than using mylinuxtoys to make muisc. >>> >>> I have been struggling along with linux on various distros trying to >> get a >>> working DAW and I still do have a machine that I can use to make >> music. >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >> http://www.nabble.com/Any-one-using-6Strudio--t1209220.html#a3195113 >>> Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. >>> >> >> __________ NOD32 1.1423 (20060301) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de > From aaron at nquit.com Wed Mar 1 20:27:49 2006 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron Trumm) Date: Wed Mar 1 20:27:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Any one using 6Strudio? In-Reply-To: References: <005201c63d96$dd52aed0$0501a8c0@lappie> <1141262535.12821.3.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1141262869.12821.9.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> is the product the packaging together of a bunch of freeware? maybe like there's an executable or a CD that installs everything you need without you having to make a bunch of tweaks or download Ardour and such? maybe sort of like taking the Planet CCRMA idea a step further? is that the product? *scratches head* On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:08 -0800, michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote: > It's a collection of audio applications that run on Linux and a 64 bit > processor > > On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Aaron Trumm wrote: > > > I don't get it. It says "64 Studio is a collection of software for > > digital content creation on x86_64 hardware" > > > > what does that mean? what is this? > > > > On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 01:15 +0000, Bal Dobe wrote: > >> Fair comment, I was assuming that people already knew about it, but > >> here it is: > >> > >> http://www.64studio.com/ > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu > >> [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Aaron > >> Trumm > >> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:02 AM > >> To: A list for linux audio users > >> Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Any one using 6Strudio? > >> > >> Send link > >> > >> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 16:58 -0800, baldobe wrote: > >>> I discovered the 64Studio site today and was wondering if people have > >> any > >>> opinions on it. I have the HW to use it but it is in alpha stage at > >> the > >>> moment so I am wondeirng if I am going tobe spending all my time on > >> the > >>> techie side of things rather than using mylinuxtoys to make muisc. > >>> > >>> I have been struggling along with linux on various distros trying to > >> get a > >>> working DAW and I still do have a machine that I can use to make > >> music. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> View this message in context: > >> http://www.nabble.com/Any-one-using-6Strudio--t1209220.html#a3195113 > >>> Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. > >>> > >> > >> __________ NOD32 1.1423 (20060301) Information __________ > >> > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ___________________________________________________________ > >> Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de > > From phil at rephil.org Wed Mar 1 20:45:39 2006 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Wed Mar 1 20:45:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity (Maluvia) In-Reply-To: <20060302000719.C67A68A7C00@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060302000719.C67A68A7C00@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <61309.64.201.190.96.1141263939.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> > Before we blow a once-a-year tax refund on an Apogee converter, could > someone - a compassionate scientist perhaps - explain to me why an Apogee > converter is so vastly superior to the converter in, say, an RME hdsp9632 > - > as to justify it's second-mortgage price tag? > (I know the best way to find out would be to just listen, but we can't > afford to order one just to test it out.) > > At least Zaolla has 6 pages of detailed engineering specs, data, tests, > charts, etc. to back up their claims, whereas with Apogee - they just seem > to expect you to take their word for it. If you ask me, they're both a little out to lunch. (I mean using all the specs, vs. relying on their cachet.) I'd argue that Apogee is *hardly* worth it -- I've never *liked* the sound of their convertors. Their filters are very "shimmery" or "smooth" on the high-end, but it's not what I enjoy, nor what I ever got my clients to go for when I was doing high-resolution digital mastering daily. (I traded daily use of Sonic Solutions for occasional mastering using roll-your-own on Linux about 7 years ago, when I became Mr. Mom for a while and then fell into mathematics and DSP to keep the mind alive. Pretty fun -- haven't left! I only miss the hardware DSP on the odd occasion...) I built some D/As out of a Crystal 24-bit evaluation board that blew the socks off an equivalent Apogee -- with a good clean power supply and clock. For about $200 US! For A/D, I found that a 20-bit Burr-Brown chip *sounded* better than the Apogees at 44.1/48k and 24-bit, though most of that was still the input filtering. For 96k+, you may get different results, but I still don't like Apogees sound -- it washes out way too much high-end detail and does funny things to transient response in my professional opinion, because of their stylized filters. Now if a client says they really *do* like Apogees and have to have them, I'd never argue with them and go rent a pair for making their record. I might slip in a little blind testing along the way, but if they didn't say "Hey - what happened!", I'd let it slide and respect their wishes. Apogee makes a good product, so I'm not trying to say that they are crap -- but they also have a marketing vibe, and you don't want to confuse engineering and marketing! If it was a personal purchase, I'd be looking at Troisi convertors (not so much $$) or db Technologies (if I needed something to *really* spend $$ on). [Who are the British guys with the nice convertors for about $12k that are really a radar DSP house?? They sound pretty good -- Mike something.....] Anyway -- this is where the subjectivity *belongs*! Get convertors because they sound good to you, and that's unassailable. You can't argue with (or prove) "I like it and it makes me happy." Don't buy them because you feel you "should" somehow. Also -- many places will arrange an evaluation for a week or so of some high-end products. I don't know where you are geographically, but I've made arrangements for some pretty big products to be flown in for a few days. If the convertors are that expensive, you can't be expected to buy them sight unseen. (I know AID in LA might be amenable, or American Pro Audio in Minnetonka, MN, or several other dealers out East in the States. In Europe or South America I could probably dredge up a couple of old contacts) Keeping the Cult of Saints and Relics **{1} from between your ears and your music is often harder than it sounds. "Only a poor craftsman blames his tools," and I'd also say many who credit their tools are dilettants! I've always tried not to be one of either group! ;) Cheers, Phil Mendelsohn Owner/Chief Engineer, Hotdish Mastering Past President Upper Midwest section (Mpls) AES (And a lot of other things that don't justify my opinion any more than honesty and a whack of common sense will justify anybody's!) -- Dept. of Mathematics, 342 Machray Hall U. of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3T 2N2 Office: 446 Machray Hall, 204-474-6470 http://www.rephil.org/ phil at rephil dot org **{1} The Cult of Saints and Relics is any group of afficionados (not limited to audio) who believe that because Saint so-and-so used the relic , then it must be the key to success. From lee at rockingtiger.com Wed Mar 1 20:51:49 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Wed Mar 1 20:51:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional Message-ID: <4206097.2431141264309331.JavaMail.root@mugen> I have a Emagic emi26 usb 1.1 sound card on a 2.6.12.2 kernel I built myself. OSS emulation and ALSA drivers play back sound but jackd using the ALSA drivers will not start. The kernel complains about a broken pipe for the device. I have read the list archives about suggestions to solve this problem. Here the configuration and the steps I took: Debian stable with realtime-lsm built against custom kernel alsa version 1.0.8 jackd version 0.99.0 disabled USB bandwidth control disabled dynamic device assignment reloaded the snd-usb-audio module with an option of nrpacks=1 Any advice would be appriciated. From the list archives, other people are using this device with jackd. -lee From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Mar 1 21:33:26 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Mar 1 21:30:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <200603011606510810.022E61A8@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060301215248.3C5868A0E09@music.columbia.edu> <200603011606510810.022E61A8@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <1141266806.8789.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 16:06 -0800, Maluvia wrote: > Not to beat a dead dog, but . . . > > Before we blow a once-a-year tax refund on an Apogee converter, could > someone - a compassionate scientist perhaps - explain to me why an Apogee > converter is so vastly superior to the converter in, say, an RME hdsp9632 - > as to justify it's second-mortgage price tag? > (I know the best way to find out would be to just listen, but we can't > afford to order one just to test it out.) > > At least Zaolla has 6 pages of detailed engineering specs, data, tests, > charts, etc. to back up their claims, whereas with Apogee - they just seem > to expect you to take their word for it. apogee used to have some very detailed tech stuff. the reason their stuff is so good is not directly related to the converters themselves, but to the sample clock that drives them. the less jitter you have in the clock, the less likely it is that you will see differences between the original and reconstructed waveform after going through an A->D then D->A pass. how come? imagine a perfect system with zero jitter in the clock. every N nanoseconds, the converters generate a sample value for the A->D side; every N nanoseconds, they accept a sample and feed it into the D->A reconstruction process. so if you feed the digital signal back into the D->A process, you will get an identical waveform. this isn't because apogee is cool - this is basic digital audio theory. now give that clock a little jitter, and it turns out that you end up with the reconstruction phase having a slightly different sense of time than the sampling phase. as a result, the waveform that is reconstructed can differ (albeit in minute ways) from the original. so if you can reduce the clock jitter, you can reduce this effect, and apogee has basically the best clocks you can buy. their gear is not worth the money, but it is better than just about anything else. however, my compromise is to buy an apogee clock, when possible. so for example, the mackie digital 8 bus that i own has mackie's own burr-brown based converter circuitry, but it also has the optional apogee clock card to provide word clock to the converters. --p From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Mar 1 21:49:27 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed Mar 1 21:49:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: bad words In-Reply-To: <1141251765.5860.266.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060301095631.5D545882E13@music.columbia.edu> <20060301221537.GD4966@linux-1> <1141251765.5860.266.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200603012149.27291.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 01 March 2006 17:22, Lee Revell wrote: >On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 23:15 +0100, fons adriaensen wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 12:19:34PM -0800, Maluvia wrote: >> > >I read the other week that David Gilmour's engineers test every >> > > audio cord by running sound both directions, to determine which >> > > direction sounds better. I don't know how that works, but >> > > Dave's pretty cool. >> > >> > One of our heros - and actually, we do that too. >> > We started doing that when we switched to Zaolla cables since they >> > are designed to have a preferred direction for the signal flow, >> > (but they no longer put the arrows on the cables). >> >> Don't forget to flush out the old and tired electrons every two >> weeks. > >If the capacitance of the guitar cable is known to affect the sound > then isn't it plausible that this could have an effect? > Of course it can Lee. Its just as easily predictable, and measureable as any other 'imperfect' method of moving electrons around. Oh, wait, thats the audio signal isn't it. :) But, simple electronics math for l-c circuits can very accurately predict exactly where in the spectrum, possible even sub-ultrasonic and therefore hearable by good, or not so good, ears. The L in the formula is of course the inductance of the pickup coil driving the cable. The C is the cables rated capacitance per foot times feet of cable, or its actual measured value. It forms a resonant circuit thats pretty easy to either predict or measure. Its frequency is where the impedance of the L=impedance of the C. However, depending on the pickup coils inductance, I'd hazard a guess that it would take more cable (lengthwise) to get to where that condition would have an effect on the sound than is generally used. Most of you will stay within the 25 foot length of your best cable. For those that need more these days, as in complete stage freedom, there is always the little black box transmitter and receiver combo's to put to use. A friend of mine who plays a pretty mean electric bass has been using one of those during practice sessions for a couple of years now since thats one less cable to stumble over when the session gets late. It works from anyplace in the building, the building is an old steel building, one end of which has a 100kw tv transmitter thats also running. It hasn't bothered his 'cable stretcher' a bit that I've ever heard. >Lee -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From terakuma at imbris.net Wed Mar 1 22:21:07 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Wed Mar 1 22:21:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <20060302012804.2F8A08AB55D@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060302012804.2F8A08AB55D@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603011921070160.02E0414E@mail.imbris.net> David, you had me all the way up to this point: >And argue with people like Paul Davis on *this very subject* is bound >to failure, if not rude. I'm sorry, but I just can't go along with this concept that some people are off limits to argument, debate, disagreement, criticism or questioning. Perhaps there's some male heirarchical conditioning behind such a notion, but I can't accept it. If it was not 'rude' or 'disrespectful' to argue with or insult me, then it is not rude to argue with Paul, or anyone else on this list. As far as I am concerned, every single person on this list is an intelligent, accomplished person in their own right, in their own fields of endeavor, and deserving of equal respect - and equal scrutiny. I also think everyone here is making useful contributions in their own way to this community. It has not escaped my notice that certain individuals in this community are talked to, and about, with what borders almost on reverence and awe (sounding religious again ;) ) - and it makes me squirrelly, and rather embarassed. However much I may admire and respect someone, I cannot put them up on a pedestal - it's just not in my nature. I have had occasion in my life to interact with people who are considered powerful and famous or highly accomplished and influential in their fields, and I haven't felt toward or treated them any differently than I do anyone else. (And it has been my feeling that they have preferred it that way.) There are many people whom I do not respect, but that has to do with their character and conduct - not their rank or station in life, or level of achievement in their respective field. I am not a respector of class or station or worldly accomplishment - I respect people for what they are inside and how they treat others. If part of the community consensus here is that certain people are above others - for whatever reason - and that they are beyond questioning, I can no more fit in here than I did in academia. I hope that that is not really the case. [Sorry for the rant, but that definitely pushed one of my buttons.] >Anyway, I wish you to keep having a good time making or listening to >music, through whatever device pleases you the most. Well thank you very much - I will, and best wishes to you as well. :) ( And I respect your poise and graciousness in this awkward discussion.) - Maluvia From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Mar 1 22:33:24 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Mar 1 22:30:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <200603011921070160.02E0414E@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060302012804.2F8A08AB55D@music.columbia.edu> <200603011921070160.02E0414E@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <1141270404.8789.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 19:21 -0800, Maluvia wrote: > David, you had me all the way up to this point: > > >And argue with people like Paul Davis on *this very subject* is bound > >to failure, if not rude. > > I'm sorry, but I just can't go along with this concept that some people are > off limits to argument, debate, disagreement, criticism or questioning. finally we agree on something. --p From pcoccoli at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 22:59:51 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Wed Mar 1 23:00:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jesusonic effects processor? Message-ID: <8d27a0610603011959j2469e3a6mf49af37456034d36@mail.gmail.com> Anyone played with this: http://www.jesusonic.com/soft.php It runs on my RH9 box (no jack support though). Interesting demo video on the sight. Free as in beer, curses-style interface, and a ridiculous hardware version... From shakti at bayarea.net Wed Mar 1 23:04:18 2006 From: shakti at bayarea.net (Tracey Hytry) Date: Wed Mar 1 23:04:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <200603011921070160.02E0414E@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060302012804.2F8A08AB55D@music.columbia.edu> <200603011921070160.02E0414E@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <20060301200418.523f0e06.shakti@bayarea.net> "Maluvia" wrote: > I'm sorry, but I just can't go along with this concept that some people are > off limits to argument, debate, disagreement, criticism or questioning. And Maluvia stated a whole lot more that I agree with! Anyway, I spent 12 years of my middle age working tech at a major university. I made it a point to never address or refer to someone as professor, dean, etc. For me, addressing everyone by their first name was one of my ways to get the point across that I was there to help. As far as my feelings about Paul: (disclaimer: these are my observations, understandings, perceptions, and "feelings") He's quite good at coding, and has a lot of knowledge of audio and musicians needs too. He's put a _lot_ of time and energy into linux audio and I would consider him one of the experts at it. On the other hand he can be "moody", seem stressed out, and not be very compassionate sometimes(he acts kind of human like the rest of us here). Tracey. From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 23:17:32 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Mar 1 23:17:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Any one using 6Strudio? In-Reply-To: <1141262869.12821.9.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> References: <005201c63d96$dd52aed0$0501a8c0@lappie> <1141262535.12821.3.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> <1141262869.12821.9.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> Message-ID: On 3/2/06, Aaron Trumm wrote: > is the product the packaging together of a bunch of freeware? maybe > like there's an executable or a CD that installs everything you need > without you having to make a bunch of tweaks or download Ardour and > such? maybe sort of like taking the Planet CCRMA idea a step further? > > is that the product? > > *scratches head* Freeware? Sounds like a bad word to me. It's just another Planet CCRMA, etc Loki From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Mar 1 23:43:15 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Mar 1 23:43:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <20060301220935.GA28660@sprite> References: <20060301163723.5EE6C8904E4@music.columbia.edu> <200603011224260780.0162B8E0@mail.imbris.net> <20060301214719.GA28383@sprite> <20060301225233.GA12679@slinkp.com> <20060301220935.GA28660@sprite> Message-ID: <20060302044314.GA8066@slinkp.com> On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 07:09:35AM +0900, res0u2uc@verizon.net wrote: > On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 04:52:33PM -0600, Paul Winkler wrote: > > The only exception I can think of is when there's a > > DC offset to the signal of sufficient voltage to force the > > signal always be positive (or always negative). > > But that would mean something's broken :) > > Not necessarily broken. Class A amplifiers do their work > with sufficient DC offset that the signal never changes > direction. Even so, the music is carried by an AC > *component* which is present, and may be separated out by > using a transformer. Or a highpass filter tuned very low - AKA a capacitor in series. Which almost any modern electronic gear has on its inputs and outputs. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From res0u2uc at verizon.net Thu Mar 2 01:04:29 2006 From: res0u2uc at verizon.net (res0u2uc@verizon.net) Date: Thu Mar 2 01:03:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <20060302044314.GA8066@slinkp.com> References: <20060301163723.5EE6C8904E4@music.columbia.edu> <200603011224260780.0162B8E0@mail.imbris.net> <20060301214719.GA28383@sprite> <20060301225233.GA12679@slinkp.com> <20060301220935.GA28660@sprite> <20060302044314.GA8066@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20060302060429.GA29002@sprite> On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 10:43:15PM -0600, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 07:09:35AM +0900, res0u2uc@verizon.net wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 04:52:33PM -0600, Paul Winkler wrote: > > > The only exception I can think of is when there's a > > > DC offset to the signal of sufficient voltage to force the > > > signal always be positive (or always negative). > > > But that would mean something's broken :) > > > > Not necessarily broken. Class A amplifiers do their work > > with sufficient DC offset that the signal never changes > > direction. Even so, the music is carried by an AC > > *component* which is present, and may be separated out by > > using a transformer. > > Or a highpass filter tuned very low - AKA a capacitor in series. Which > almost any modern electronic gear has on its inputs and outputs. Hmm. Well, my knowledge here isn't great, but I think having a capacitor at the output of a Class A amplifier would prevent it from operating with a DC offset. You're right about most gear using capacitors. Most transistor amps are Class B or AB which output AC. Older tube amps, however are usually Class A to reduce the number of tubes, and like my dad's old Heathkit, have a big transformer on the output. (Which, sad to say he threw out one fine day. The only problem with that amp was that there would be a zhuuum zhuuum sound pulsating with a period of a couple seconds. Replacing one tube in the power amp would fix this for a number of hours.) > -- > > Paul Winkler > http://www.slinkp.com -- Joel Roth From florin at andrei.myip.org Thu Mar 2 01:53:20 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Thu Mar 2 01:54:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: <200603010031.26896.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <5bdc1c8b0602280848r2da8f100h40146c5f8f95aa79@mail.gmail.com> <1141154533.5860.25.camel@mindpipe> <200603010031.26896.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <1141282400.3088.6.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 00:31 +0100, Carotinho wrote: > Alle 20:22, marted? 28 febbraio 2006, Lee Revell ha scritto: > > On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 08:48 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > http://musicthing.blogspot.com/ > > > http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=8552 > > > > Behringer might have been cutting some corners?!? I am shocked, > > SHOCKED. > > Let's forgive them, for poor musician's sake:) As much as I like Behringer prices, their quality is something totally undesirable. I prefer to stick with Alesis, FMR Audio, Studio Projects, M-Audio, etc. Good quality, good prices. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Thu Mar 2 01:56:10 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (Bal Dobe) Date: Thu Mar 2 01:56:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Any one using 64Strudio? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005301c63dc6$6381aea0$0501a8c0@lappie> I am going to try and install it on my machine today and see how I go. I get the impression that it is a collection of multimedia apps SPECIFICALLY for 64 bit machines. As far as paying for it goes, I have no problem paying for software provided it works. I have paid or plenty of stuff before that "does not do what it says on the tin". Infact, this is one of the reasons I want to migrate to linux, I want stuff that "WORKS". Although, I must admit that I have tried several distros that did not work for me for music, including planet ccrma. I do find the people at planet ccrma still very helpful, even though I have abandoned the ccrma kernel. -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Loki Davison Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 4:18 AM To: aaron@nquit.com; A list for linux audio users Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Any one using 6Strudio? On 3/2/06, Aaron Trumm wrote: > is the product the packaging together of a bunch of freeware? maybe > like there's an executable or a CD that installs everything you need > without you having to make a bunch of tweaks or download Ardour and > such? maybe sort of like taking the Planet CCRMA idea a step further? > > is that the product? > > *scratches head* Freeware? Sounds like a bad word to me. It's just another Planet CCRMA, etc Loki ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 02:00:49 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Mar 2 02:00:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: <1141282400.3088.6.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <5bdc1c8b0602280848r2da8f100h40146c5f8f95aa79@mail.gmail.com> <1141154533.5860.25.camel@mindpipe> <200603010031.26896.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <1141282400.3088.6.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: On 3/2/06, Florin Andrei wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 00:31 +0100, Carotinho wrote: > > Alle 20:22, marted? 28 febbraio 2006, Lee Revell ha scritto: > > > On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 08:48 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > http://musicthing.blogspot.com/ > > > > http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=8552 > > > > > > Behringer might have been cutting some corners?!? I am shocked, > > > SHOCKED. > > > > Let's forgive them, for poor musician's sake:) > > As much as I like Behringer prices, their quality is something totally > undesirable. > I prefer to stick with Alesis, FMR Audio, Studio Projects, M-Audio, etc. > Good quality, good prices. > > -- > Florin Andrei > > http://florin.myip.org/ > > how about the v-amp? seems pretty solid for me so far, and i got it second hand. Loki From bengan at sunet.se Thu Mar 2 04:25:09 2006 From: bengan at sunet.se (Bengt =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6rd=E9n?=) Date: Thu Mar 2 04:25:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <200602262146230120.037A5931@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060227013954.2EA31808427@music.columbia.edu> <200602262146230120.037A5931@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <200603021025.16422.bengan@sunet.se> m?ndagen den 27 februari 2006 06.46 skrev Maluvia: > >perhaps we should fork this discussion off at some point...... > > Done. Please take this discussion in private. -- /bengan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060302/9dd4620f/attachment-0001.bin From clemens at ladisch.de Thu Mar 2 05:34:03 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu Mar 2 05:35:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional In-Reply-To: <4206097.2431141264309331.JavaMail.root@mugen> References: <4206097.2431141264309331.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <20060302103403.GB9499@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > I have a Emagic emi26 usb 1.1 sound card on a 2.6.12.2 kernel I built > myself. OSS emulation and ALSA drivers play back sound but jackd using > the ALSA drivers will not start. The kernel complains about a broken > pipe for the device. What is the error code in the system log? Is there a USB hub involved? Regards, Clemens From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Thu Mar 2 06:53:50 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Thu Mar 2 06:47:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <20060302060429.GA29002@sprite> References: <20060301163723.5EE6C8904E4@music.columbia.edu> <200603011224260780.0162B8E0@mail.imbris.net> <20060301214719.GA28383@sprite> <20060301225233.GA12679@slinkp.com> <20060301220935.GA28660@sprite> <20060302044314.GA8066@slinkp.com> <20060302060429.GA29002@sprite> Message-ID: <20060302115350.GC5085@linux-1> On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 03:04:29PM +0900, res0u2uc@verizon.net wrote: > Hmm. Well, my knowledge here isn't great, but I think having > a capacitor at the output of a Class A amplifier would > prevent it from operating with a DC offset. No. The essential point of (balanced) Class A is that both halves of the output stage (the one giving the + and the one giving the - voltage) are both active all the time and never 'cut off'. This doesn't imply there is any DC in the output signal, since this is usuaully the difference between the two halves, and so the DC cancels out. Anyway the DC component required for Class A would burn your speakers in a fraction of a second. > You're right about most gear using capacitors. Most > transistor amps are Class B or AB which output AC. Older > tube amps, however are usually Class A to reduce the number > of tubes, and like my dad's old Heathkit, have a big > transformer on the output. Transformers in tube amps are mainly there to do impedance matching, not to block the DC. There won't be any DC going into the transformers primary in a decently designed amp anyway - it would saturate the transformer and make it appear as a near short circuit to AC. -- FA From timg at expressmart.com Thu Mar 2 08:22:35 2006 From: timg at expressmart.com (timg) Date: Thu Mar 2 08:23:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AudioSlack is coming back! In-Reply-To: <1141168930.1386.20.camel@eviltwin> References: <20060220203146.E5A6D6FF416@music.columbia.edu> <200602201657.08684.lau@kudla.org> <1140473638.6722.73.camel@mindpipe> <200602201741.05624.lau@kudla.org> <20060220231522.GF4984@linux-1> <43FCC6E2.7020803@limov.com> <20060223013737.GA4925@linux-1> <4404CF16.10103@limov.com> <1141168930.1386.20.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <4406F19B.8030103@expressmart.com> Does anyone know when / if Luke will put audioslack back online? -- The information contained in this email is confidential, intended only for the use of the party to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that you are strictly prohibited from sharing,distributing, or copying this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender. Thank you Timothy Alan Gorman Petr-all Petroleum / ExpressMart 6567 Kinne rd Dewitt ny 13214 Cell 315 415 8108 Office 315 446 0125 x 126 From jh at brainiac.com Thu Mar 2 08:56:17 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Thu Mar 2 09:01:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <1141266806.8789.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060301215248.3C5868A0E09@music.columbia.edu> <200603011606510810.022E61A8@mail.imbris.net> <1141266806.8789.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060302085617.28a3d7bd.jh@brainiac.com> On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:33:26 -0500 Paul Davis wrote: > the reason their stuff is so good is not directly related to the > converters themselves, but to the sample clock that drives them. Paul, what's your opinion on the Delta 1010's word clock? -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Mar 2 09:19:53 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Mar 2 09:16:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <20060302085617.28a3d7bd.jh@brainiac.com> References: <20060301215248.3C5868A0E09@music.columbia.edu> <200603011606510810.022E61A8@mail.imbris.net> <1141266806.8789.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060302085617.28a3d7bd.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <1141309193.8789.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 08:56 -0500, Joe Hartley wrote: > On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:33:26 -0500 > Paul Davis wrote: > > > the reason their stuff is so good is not directly related to the > > converters themselves, but to the sample clock that drives them. > > Paul, what's your opinion on the Delta 1010's word clock? no opinion. lets just aim for the specs: what's the jitter? From terakuma at imbris.net Thu Mar 2 09:19:47 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Thu Mar 2 09:20:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <20060302040002.939948B0A4E@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060302040002.939948B0A4E@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603020619470480.00610AEF@mail.imbris.net> >I'd argue that Apogee is *hardly* worth it -- I've never *liked* the sound >of their convertors. Their filters are very "shimmery" or "smooth" on the >high-end . . . . . . >For 96k+, you may get different results, but I still don't like Apogees >sound -- it washes out way too much high-end detail and does funny things >to transient response in my professional opinion, because of their >stylized filters. That is a really good thing to know in advance, as filtering effects are precisely what we want to get away from (for the particular sound we are looking for). >I built some D/As out of a Crystal 24-bit evaluation board that blew the >socks off an equivalent Apogee -- with a good clean power supply and >clock. For about $200 US! Wow - that's really encouraging! (BTW, where does one come by something like a Crystal evaluation board?) >For A/D, I found that a 20-bit Burr-Brown chip >*sounded* better than the Apogees at 44.1/48k and 24-bit, though most of >that was still the input filtering. > >If it was a personal purchase, I'd be looking at Troisi convertors (not so >much $$) or db Technologies (if I needed something to *really* spend $$ on Thanks for the heads-up. I had not heard of any of these before. >Keeping the Cult of Saints and Relics **{1} from between your ears and >your music is often harder than it sounds. "Only a poor craftsman blames >his tools," and I'd also say many who credit their tools are dilettants! >I've always tried not to be one of either group! ;) Agreed! >the reason their stuff is so good is not directly related to the >converters themselves, but to the sample clock that drives them. >apogee has basically the best clocks you can buy. > >their gear is not worth the money, but it is better than just about >anything else. however, my compromise is to buy an apogee clock, when >possible. so for example, the mackie digital 8 bus that i own has >mackie's own burr-brown based converter circuitry, but it also has the >optional apogee clock card to provide word clock to the converters. This I can understand, and that sounds like a good alternative solution. Thanks for the feedback. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Please take this discussion in private. I don't think this merits a response. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks again for the suggestions, Maluvia From jh at brainiac.com Thu Mar 2 09:53:44 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Thu Mar 2 09:53:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: <1141282400.3088.6.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <5bdc1c8b0602280848r2da8f100h40146c5f8f95aa79@mail.gmail.com> <1141154533.5860.25.camel@mindpipe> <200603010031.26896.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <1141282400.3088.6.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <20060302095344.2ac9463d.jh@brainiac.com> On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:53:20 -0800 Florin Andrei wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 00:31 +0100, Carotinho wrote: > > Alle 20:22, marted? 28 febbraio 2006, Lee Revell ha scritto: > > > On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 08:48 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > http://musicthing.blogspot.com/ > > > > http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=8552 > > > > > > Behringer might have been cutting some corners?!? I am shocked, > > > SHOCKED. > > > > Let's forgive them, for poor musician's sake:) > > As much as I like Behringer prices, their quality is something totally > undesirable. I find that Behringer's quality varies greatly, as does their originality. I have a BCF2000 controller which is just frelling brilliant. It works really well, and is, as far as I can tell, a very original piece of equipment. I also have a Behringer T1953 mic preamp which I never use because it gives me a much harsher sound than I like. I even prefer the preamps in my Behringer mixer to it. The mixer's not bad, and has never given me problems. The last piece of B gear I'll mention that I have is a cable tester. This is the piece of gear that shows what little regard they have for other companies when designing gear. Here's the B tester: http://www.behringer.com/CT100/index.cfm?lang=ENG and here's a piece of gear calles a Swizz Army tester, which is the original product: http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--EBTSWIZZCT Other than the color of the case, these units appear identical, except for the price. This cheesed the folks who made the Swizz Army unit off, as you might expect. Google for behringer and aphex or roland or mackie, and you'll find that at least early on, the 2 big reasons they were able to sell their stuff so cheaply was Chinese labor (and that hasn't changed), and having a copying machine as the heart of their R&D department. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From timg at expressmart.com Thu Mar 2 09:57:08 2006 From: timg at expressmart.com (timg) Date: Thu Mar 2 09:57:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: <20060302095344.2ac9463d.jh@brainiac.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0602280848r2da8f100h40146c5f8f95aa79@mail.gmail.com> <1141154533.5860.25.camel@mindpipe> <200603010031.26896.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <1141282400.3088.6.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060302095344.2ac9463d.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <440707C4.9060000@expressmart.com> Joe Hartley wrote: >On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:53:20 -0800 >Florin Andrei wrote: > > > >>On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 00:31 +0100, Carotinho wrote: >> >> >>>Alle 20:22, marted? 28 febbraio 2006, Lee Revell ha scritto: >>> >>> >>>>On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 08:48 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>http://musicthing.blogspot.com/ >>>>>http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=8552 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Behringer might have been cutting some corners?!? I am shocked, >>>>SHOCKED. >>>> >>>> >>>Let's forgive them, for poor musician's sake:) >>> >>> >>As much as I like Behringer prices, their quality is something totally >>undesirable. >> >> > >I find that Behringer's quality varies greatly, as does their originality. >I have a BCF2000 controller which is just frelling brilliant. It works >really well, and is, as far as I can tell, a very original piece of >equipment. > >I also have a Behringer T1953 mic preamp which I never use because it >gives me a much harsher sound than I like. I even prefer the preamps in >my Behringer mixer to it. The mixer's not bad, and has never given me >problems. > >The last piece of B gear I'll mention that I have is a cable tester. This >is the piece of gear that shows what little regard they have for other >companies when designing gear. > >Here's the B tester: http://www.behringer.com/CT100/index.cfm?lang=ENG >and here's a piece of gear calles a Swizz Army tester, which is the original >product: http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--EBTSWIZZCT > >Other than the color of the case, these units appear identical, except >for the price. This cheesed the folks who made the Swizz Army unit off, >as you might expect. > >Google for behringer and aphex or roland or mackie, and you'll find that >at least early on, the 2 big reasons they were able to sell their stuff >so cheaply was Chinese labor (and that hasn't changed), and having a >copying machine as the heart of their R&D department. > > > But if these actions are found to be within legal limits what can be done? I must admint that a company that does not invest in it's own R&D is one that will fail... and lose (at least my) respect. tag -- The information contained in this email is confidential, intended only for the use of the party to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that you are strictly prohibited from sharing,distributing, or copying this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender. Thank you Timothy Alan Gorman Petr-all Petroleum / ExpressMart 6567 Kinne rd Dewitt ny 13214 Cell 315 415 8108 Office 315 446 0125 x 126 From d_baron at 012.net.il Thu Mar 2 10:02:08 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Thu Mar 2 10:02:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Bristol Audio synthesiser In-Reply-To: <200602281743.56967.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20060227234002.6CA06836F34@music.columbia.edu> <200602281743.56967.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <200603021702.08585.d_baron@012.net.il> > > I think you mean "jacklaunch" instead of "jackstart", don't you ? > > > > "jackstart" was used with the 2.4 kernel to spawn jackd and get the > > required capabilities to create RT threads. > > Jacklaunch it is. Will freeze up my system every time and must hit the > switch to restart. Thankful for ext3. I can jacklaunch bristolengine just fine. So it is the UI stage "brighton", "bristol.real" that is hanging when the engine is going through jack'd oss. Any ideas? From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 10:07:33 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Mar 2 10:07:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: <440707C4.9060000@expressmart.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0602280848r2da8f100h40146c5f8f95aa79@mail.gmail.com> <1141154533.5860.25.camel@mindpipe> <200603010031.26896.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <1141282400.3088.6.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060302095344.2ac9463d.jh@brainiac.com> <440707C4.9060000@expressmart.com> Message-ID: On 3/3/06, timg wrote: > Joe Hartley wrote: > > >On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:53:20 -0800 > >Florin Andrei wrote: > > > > > > > >>On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 00:31 +0100, Carotinho wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Alle 20:22, marted? 28 febbraio 2006, Lee Revell ha scritto: > >>> > >>> > >>>>On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 08:48 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>http://musicthing.blogspot.com/ > >>>>>http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=8552 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Behringer might have been cutting some corners?!? I am shocked, > >>>>SHOCKED. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Let's forgive them, for poor musician's sake:) > >>> > >>> > >>As much as I like Behringer prices, their quality is something totally > >>undesirable. > >> > >> > > > >I find that Behringer's quality varies greatly, as does their originality. > >I have a BCF2000 controller which is just frelling brilliant. It works > >really well, and is, as far as I can tell, a very original piece of > >equipment. > > > >I also have a Behringer T1953 mic preamp which I never use because it > >gives me a much harsher sound than I like. I even prefer the preamps in > >my Behringer mixer to it. The mixer's not bad, and has never given me > >problems. > > > >The last piece of B gear I'll mention that I have is a cable tester. This > >is the piece of gear that shows what little regard they have for other > >companies when designing gear. > > > >Here's the B tester: http://www.behringer.com/CT100/index.cfm?lang=ENG > >and here's a piece of gear calles a Swizz Army tester, which is the > original > >product: http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--EBTSWIZZCT > > > >Other than the color of the case, these units appear identical, except > >for the price. This cheesed the folks who made the Swizz Army unit off, > >as you might expect. > > > >Google for behringer and aphex or roland or mackie, and you'll find that > >at least early on, the 2 big reasons they were able to sell their stuff > >so cheaply was Chinese labor (and that hasn't changed), and having a > >copying machine as the heart of their R&D department. > > > > > > > But if these actions are found to be within legal limits what can be done? > I must admint that a company that does not invest in it's own R&D is one > that will fail... and lose (at least my) respect. > tag > > > -- > The information contained in this email is confidential, intended > only for the use of the party to whom it is addressed. If you are > not the intended recipient, please be aware that you are strictly > prohibited from sharing,distributing, or copying this email. > If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender. > > Thank you > Timothy Alan Gorman > Petr-all Petroleum / ExpressMart > 6567 Kinne rd Dewitt ny 13214 > Cell 315 415 8108 > Office 315 446 0125 x 126 > > > > again, the v-amp seems pretty different... not just a direct pod copy. There dj mixers are mostly really, really horrible though. a copy of pioneer mixers that suck to start with. So a copy of a crap product. Loki From lee at rockingtiger.com Thu Mar 2 10:09:58 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Thu Mar 2 10:10:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional Message-ID: <3781538.2521141312198689.JavaMail.root@mugen> ----- Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > > I have a Emagic emi26 usb 1.1 sound card on a 2.6.12.2 kernel I > built > > myself. OSS emulation and ALSA drivers play back sound but jackd > using > > the ALSA drivers will not start. The kernel complains about a > broken > > pipe for the device. > > What is the error code in the system log? > Is there a USB hub involved? No USB hub, connected directly. The error from the kernel is: cannot submit datapipe for urb 4, err = -28 And nothing else. I have usb bandwidth turned off in the kernel. ALSA and OSS emu drivers will playback sound. It is only a JACK issue. -lee From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 10:10:12 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Mar 2 10:10:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: References: <5bdc1c8b0602280848r2da8f100h40146c5f8f95aa79@mail.gmail.com> <1141154533.5860.25.camel@mindpipe> <200603010031.26896.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <1141282400.3088.6.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060302095344.2ac9463d.jh@brainiac.com> <440707C4.9060000@expressmart.com> Message-ID: On 3/3/06, Loki Davison wrote: > On 3/3/06, timg wrote: > > Joe Hartley wrote: > > > > >On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:53:20 -0800 > > >Florin Andrei wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 00:31 +0100, Carotinho wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>>Alle 20:22, marted? 28 febbraio 2006, Lee Revell ha scritto: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 08:48 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>http://musicthing.blogspot.com/ > > >>>>>http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=8552 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>Behringer might have been cutting some corners?!? I am shocked, > > >>>>SHOCKED. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>Let's forgive them, for poor musician's sake:) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>As much as I like Behringer prices, their quality is something totally > > >>undesirable. > > >> > > >> > > > > > >I find that Behringer's quality varies greatly, as does their > originality. > > >I have a BCF2000 controller which is just frelling brilliant. It works > > >really well, and is, as far as I can tell, a very original piece of > > >equipment. > > > > > >I also have a Behringer T1953 mic preamp which I never use because it > > >gives me a much harsher sound than I like. I even prefer the preamps in > > >my Behringer mixer to it. The mixer's not bad, and has never given me > > >problems. > > > > > >The last piece of B gear I'll mention that I have is a cable tester. > This > > >is the piece of gear that shows what little regard they have for other > > >companies when designing gear. > > > > > >Here's the B tester: http://www.behringer.com/CT100/index.cfm?lang=ENG > > >and here's a piece of gear calles a Swizz Army tester, which is the > > original > > >product: http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--EBTSWIZZCT > > > > > >Other than the color of the case, these units appear identical, except > > >for the price. This cheesed the folks who made the Swizz Army unit off, > > >as you might expect. > > > > > >Google for behringer and aphex or roland or mackie, and you'll find that > > >at least early on, the 2 big reasons they were able to sell their stuff > > >so cheaply was Chinese labor (and that hasn't changed), and having a > > >copying machine as the heart of their R&D department. > > > > > > > > > > > But if these actions are found to be within legal limits what can be > done? > > I must admint that a company that does not invest in it's own R&D is one > > that will fail... and lose (at least my) respect. > > tag > > > > > > -- > > The information contained in this email is confidential, intended > > only for the use of the party to whom it is addressed. If you are > > not the intended recipient, please be aware that you are strictly > > prohibited from sharing,distributing, or copying this email. > > If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender. > > > > Thank you > > Timothy Alan Gorman > > Petr-all Petroleum / ExpressMart > > 6567 Kinne rd Dewitt ny 13214 > > Cell 315 415 8108 > > Office 315 446 0125 x 126 > > > > > > > > > > again, the v-amp seems pretty different... not just a direct pod copy. > There dj mixers are mostly really, really horrible though. a copy of > pioneer mixers that suck to start with. So a copy of a crap product. > > Loki > photos are nice... http://www.polymix-dj.com/catalog/images/djm600.jpg vs http://www.bluearan.co.uk/sales/behringer/images/DJX700.jpg From jh at brainiac.com Thu Mar 2 10:12:41 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Thu Mar 2 10:12:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <1141309193.8789.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060301215248.3C5868A0E09@music.columbia.edu> <200603011606510810.022E61A8@mail.imbris.net> <1141266806.8789.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060302085617.28a3d7bd.jh@brainiac.com> <1141309193.8789.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060302101241.5782bd40.jh@brainiac.com> On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:19:53 -0500 Paul Davis wrote: > > > the reason their stuff is so good is not directly related to the > > > converters themselves, but to the sample clock that drives them. > > > > Paul, what's your opinion on the Delta 1010's word clock? > > no opinion. lets just aim for the specs: what's the jitter? Excellent question, and one that seems to be fairly hard to answer, as none of the 1010 literature I have gives specs for this, and it's not something easily found by Googling, either. That in itself makes me go hmmmm. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From jh at brainiac.com Thu Mar 2 10:15:34 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Thu Mar 2 10:15:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: <440707C4.9060000@expressmart.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0602280848r2da8f100h40146c5f8f95aa79@mail.gmail.com> <1141154533.5860.25.camel@mindpipe> <200603010031.26896.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <1141282400.3088.6.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060302095344.2ac9463d.jh@brainiac.com> <440707C4.9060000@expressmart.com> Message-ID: <20060302101534.6b09dc73.jh@brainiac.com> On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:57:08 -0500 timg wrote: > But if these actions are found to be within legal limits what can be done? > I must admint that a company that does not invest in it's own R&D is one > that will fail... and lose (at least my) respect. Nothing can be done if it's legal, and you can't copyright a circuit design. You can patent one, but it has to be sufficiently innovative to be given a patent. As you say, in the end, they lose respect, and perhaps business. I think it will be the newer products like the BCF2k that they design themselves that will eventually make or break them. (Assuming they fall into compliance with US laws :-/ ) -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From rtp405 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 10:15:46 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Thu Mar 2 10:16:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: <440707C4.9060000@expressmart.com> Message-ID: <20060302151546.74064.qmail@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- timg wrote: > Joe Hartley wrote: > > >On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:53:20 -0800 > >Florin Andrei wrote: > > > > > > > >>On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 00:31 +0100, Carotinho > wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Alle 20:22, marted? 28 febbraio 2006, Lee Revell > ha scritto: > >>> > >>> > >>>>On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 08:48 -0800, Mark Knecht > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>http://musicthing.blogspot.com/ > >>>>>http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=8552 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Behringer might have been cutting some > corners?!? I am shocked, > >>>>SHOCKED. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Let's forgive them, for poor musician's sake:) > >>> > >>> > >>As much as I like Behringer prices, their quality > is something totally > >>undesirable. > >> > >> > > > >I find that Behringer's quality varies greatly, as > does their originality. > >I have a BCF2000 controller which is just frelling > brilliant. It works > >really well, and is, as far as I can tell, a very > original piece of > >equipment. > > > >I also have a Behringer T1953 mic preamp which I > never use because it > >gives me a much harsher sound than I like. I even > prefer the preamps in > >my Behringer mixer to it. The mixer's not bad, and > has never given me > >problems. > > > >The last piece of B gear I'll mention that I have > is a cable tester. This > >is the piece of gear that shows what little regard > they have for other > >companies when designing gear. > > > >Here's the B tester: > http://www.behringer.com/CT100/index.cfm?lang=ENG > >and here's a piece of gear calles a Swizz Army > tester, which is the original > >product: > http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--EBTSWIZZCT > > > >Other than the color of the case, these units > appear identical, except > >for the price. This cheesed the folks who made the > Swizz Army unit off, > >as you might expect. > > > >Google for behringer and aphex or roland or mackie, > and you'll find that > >at least early on, the 2 big reasons they were able > to sell their stuff > >so cheaply was Chinese labor (and that hasn't > changed), and having a > >copying machine as the heart of their R&D > department. > > > > > > > But if these actions are found to be within legal > limits what can be done? > I must admint that a company that does not invest in > it's own R&D is one > that will fail... and lose (at least my) respect. There's a part of me that finds the Chinese dynamic upsetting but my wiser American capitalist spirit makes me realize this is the naturl order of the world market and everyone better adjust and compete. Maybe the Chinese manufacturer will eventually push some good R&D out of existence and acquire enough assets during the process to pay good bedroom engineers for their designs. We don't know what will happen. The Chinese can't subsist on rice and child labor forever. Eventually they need to succeed at competing against the old guard. Incidentally I think Behringer product is pure crap and that I can produce hit quality productions with some of that junk. ron > tag > > > -- > The information contained in this email is > confidential, intended > only for the use of the party to whom it is > addressed. If you are > not the intended recipient, please be aware that you > are strictly > prohibited from sharing,distributing, or copying > this email. > If you have received this email by mistake, please > notify the sender. > > Thank you > Timothy Alan Gorman > Petr-all Petroleum / ExpressMart > 6567 Kinne rd Dewitt ny 13214 > Cell 315 415 8108 > Office 315 446 0125 x 126 > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Mar 2 10:19:59 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Mar 2 10:18:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <20060302101241.5782bd40.jh@brainiac.com> References: <20060301215248.3C5868A0E09@music.columbia.edu> <200603011606510810.022E61A8@mail.imbris.net> <1141266806.8789.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060302085617.28a3d7bd.jh@brainiac.com> <1141309193.8789.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060302101241.5782bd40.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <1141312799.8789.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 10:12 -0500, Joe Hartley wrote: > On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:19:53 -0500 > Paul Davis wrote: > > > > > the reason their stuff is so good is not directly related to the > > > > converters themselves, but to the sample clock that drives them. > > > > > > Paul, what's your opinion on the Delta 1010's word clock? > > > > no opinion. lets just aim for the specs: what's the jitter? > > Excellent question, and one that seems to be fairly hard to answer, as > none of the 1010 literature I have gives specs for this, and it's not > something easily found by Googling, either. > > That in itself makes me go hmmmm. there is another possibility: that i've been duped by a highly tech- oriented sales pitch and that in reality jitter doesn't matter much. From phil at rephil.org Thu Mar 2 11:07:37 2006 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Thu Mar 2 11:07:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity (Maluvia) In-Reply-To: <20060302145741.4C6C08C5AC3@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060302145741.4C6C08C5AC3@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <62713.64.201.190.96.1141315657.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> So Maluvia says: >>I built some D/As out of a Crystal 24-bit evaluation board that blew the >>socks off an equivalent Apogee -- with a good clean power supply and >>clock. For about $200 US! > > Wow - that's really encouraging! > (BTW, where does one come by something like a Crystal evaluation board?) If you can convince a Crystal Semiconductor wholesaler that they should sell an engineering eval. unit to you, then that's where. I don't know who the industrial distributors might be for your region, though. You can try this for other companies as well. >>For A/D, I found that a 20-bit Burr-Brown chip >>*sounded* better than the Apogees at 44.1/48k and 24-bit, though most of >>that was still the input filtering. Caveat: yes -- that did include a careful and good word-clock. I agree with all comments about jitter _at the convertor_ I've seen so far; but most decent convertors won't mangle an external clock, and you can add a spendy stable clock later if you like -- just add next year's tax-refund as well! Cheers, Phil M -- Dept. of Mathematics, 342 Machray Hall U. of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3T 2N2 Office: 446 Machray Hall, 204-474-6470 http://www.rephil.org/ phil at rephil dot org From jh at brainiac.com Thu Mar 2 11:18:17 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Thu Mar 2 11:18:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <1141312799.8789.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060301215248.3C5868A0E09@music.columbia.edu> <200603011606510810.022E61A8@mail.imbris.net> <1141266806.8789.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060302085617.28a3d7bd.jh@brainiac.com> <1141309193.8789.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060302101241.5782bd40.jh@brainiac.com> <1141312799.8789.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060302111817.3a35533b.jh@brainiac.com> On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 10:19:59 -0500 Paul Davis wrote: > there is another possibility: that i've been duped by a highly tech- > oriented sales pitch and that in reality jitter doesn't matter much. Maybe you should try a double-blind listening test with a few different clocks. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From phil at rephil.org Thu Mar 2 11:25:49 2006 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Thu Mar 2 11:26:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Re: Digital Fidelity (fons adriaensen) In-Reply-To: <20060302145741.4C6C08C5AC3@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060302145741.4C6C08C5AC3@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <62724.64.201.190.96.1141316749.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> Fons said: > On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 03:04:29PM +0900, res0u2uc@verizon.net wrote: > >> Hmm. Well, my knowledge here isn't great, but I think having >> a capacitor at the output of a Class A amplifier would >> prevent it from operating with a DC offset. > > No. The essential point of (balanced) Class A is that both > halves of the output stage (the one giving the + and > the one giving the - voltage) are both active all the > time and never 'cut off'. Sorry -- I have to split a hair here. You're describing Class AB. Class A means that you are never out of the linear region of conductance for the semiconductor. This means that there are no "halves" to an output stage. > Anyway the DC component required for Class A would burn > your speakers in a fraction of a second. Only if you run from 0 to Vmax with a positive DC bias. You can run a class A device between positive and negative rails so that the output has no DC offset. There's no free lunch, though -- you want to consider a lot of practical things that outweigh the "pure" approach -- boy, your devices had better be thermally stable, class A is pretty wimpy for power dissipation, what happens to your DC offset when your output device fails, and a lot more that have little to do with Linux, so I'll stop there... Upshot: It's easier to make class A preamps than power amps. ("Man! I can't believe you got me monologuing again!") --The Incredibles Cheers, Phil M -- Dept. of Mathematics, 342 Machray Hall U. of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3T 2N2 Office: 446 Machray Hall, 204-474-6470 http://www.rephil.org/ phil at rephil dot org From terakuma at imbris.net Thu Mar 2 11:37:10 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Thu Mar 2 11:37:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: <20060302145741.4C6C08C5AC3@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060302145741.4C6C08C5AC3@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603020837100980.00DED8E8@mail.imbris.net> Yes - they make budget equipment for starving musicians, but I think they're performing a good deed in that regard. FWIW, our experience with B equipment has been mixed. We once tried one of their Euroracks and one of their Ultracurves, and sent them both back. Also tried one of their DI boxes and ultimately discarded it. (The electronics just sounded like cheap rock band quality.) We had written them off until we came across their V-Verb Pro, which we decided to go ahead and try due to its nominally higher resolution. It took some adjusting to, but we feel that we are getting a cleaner, more accurate sound through it. For its price - it's a very repectable unit. (Maybe it was by mistake.) ;) > I prefer to stick with Alesis, FMR Audio, Studio Projects, M-Audio, etc. > Good quality, good prices. Alesis *used* to be very good, but they've changed hands and dumbed-down their offerings quite a bit. They discontinued their Q20 processers and DM-Pro drum modules - which I think were their best products. I believe they've discontinued their M-EQ 230 as well, which was a very nice little unit. Our Q20 was very nice - lots of power, but had a muddiness we could never completely get rid of. Amazingly, our little V-Verb seems to be giving us a better sound. Who'd a thunk it? The only M-Audio product we have is our studio-monitor system, and we absolutely love it! - Maluvia From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 11:56:05 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Thu Mar 2 11:56:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: <20060302151546.74064.qmail@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060302165605.36162.qmail@web52611.mail.yahoo.com> => Fender has their Pre CBS and Post CBS (hecha en Mexico) era's. => Peavey was accused of making non-standard solid-state components that were only available in their factories. => Behringer's stomp box products were delayed for import to the USA over patent disputes. It seems a company's success is tied directly to it's ability to overcome adversity and misperception. So what their cable tester looks like another one. Did they copy it exactly, did they break any laws, or did they license the original design? Were any laws actually broken? What was settled with the stomp box patents? I believe the stomp boxes are available in the USA now. I find it funny, sad, and ironic that in a linux related list that someone is complaining that a company reused somebody's existing widget rather than coming up with it's own proprietary widget. Here is a question to the person who complained about this: Do you use a Linux distro, or do you use FIPS to partition your hard drive, then build your entire Linux system from source (and I am not referring to Gentoo)? I will admit Behringer had a rough start, but I like their products, and I like their prices. When I go to purchase something, there are many factors to consider. Sometimes I choose Behringer, but not all the time. If you wanted bash them about their linux support (or lack of it) I would be happy to join in, especially with the V-Amp and FCB1010. On this thread, I will have to come to their defense. BTW ironic does not mean made of iron. -=cybersean3000=- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Mar 2 11:57:48 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Mar 2 11:58:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: <200603020837100980.00DED8E8@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060302145741.4C6C08C5AC3@music.columbia.edu> <200603020837100980.00DED8E8@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <4407240C.9080201@poeticstudios.com> Maluvia wrote: >Yes - they make budget equipment for starving musicians, but I think >they're performing a good deed in that regard. > > What do all you people on this list have against starving musicians? :-) Shouldn't we deserve to have the gear and instruments to make music, too? ;-) p.s. Beringher mixer here. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From nescivi at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 12:04:52 2006 From: nescivi at gmail.com (Marije Baalman) Date: Thu Mar 2 12:04:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional In-Reply-To: <3781538.2521141312198689.JavaMail.root@mugen> References: <3781538.2521141312198689.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <440725B4.2090609@gmail.com> Hi, Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > >>What is the error code in the system log? >>Is there a USB hub involved? >> >> > >No USB hub, connected directly. The error from the kernel is: > >cannot submit datapipe for urb 4, err = -28 > >And nothing else. I have usb bandwidth turned off in the kernel. ALSA and OSS emu drivers will playback sound. It is only a JACK issue. > > > which parameters are you using to start JACK? 48kHz, and periods/buffer = 3 seem to be preferred by USB audio devices. There should be something about this in the archive of this list too.. sincerely, Marije From clemens at ladisch.de Thu Mar 2 12:36:28 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu Mar 2 12:36:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional In-Reply-To: <3781538.2521141312198689.JavaMail.root@mugen> References: <3781538.2521141312198689.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <20060302173628.GA22694@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > ----- Clemens Ladisch wrote: > cannot submit datapipe for urb 4, err = -28 28 = ENOSPC (not enough bandwidth) > I have usb bandwidth turned off in the kernel. Then try a newer kernel. > ALSA and OSS emu drivers will playback sound. It is only a JACK issue. Jack tries to use full duplex. Try using only playback or capture (-P, -C). HTH Clemens From terakuma at imbris.net Thu Mar 2 13:11:49 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Thu Mar 2 13:12:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: <20060302173651.8251B8CD459@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060302173651.8251B8CD459@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603021011490010.01357FEB@mail.imbris.net> >>Yes - they make budget equipment for starving musicians, but I think >>they're performing a good deed in that regard. >> >What do all you people on this list have against starving musicians? :-) Absolutely nothing - since we count ourselves amongst the ravening hordes. That is *why* I said they were doing a good deed. I am very grateful for their V-Verb, since we cannot afford a TC Electronics Reverb 6000. I am also grateful to RME for offering such high-quality equipment at an affordable price for people like ourselves who cannot afford the really high-end studio engineer equipment. (I think we are encountering a linguistic barrier, Cesare.) :) >Shouldn't we deserve to have the gear and instruments to make music, >too? ;-) Absolutely. I really wish we knew enough electrical engineering to be able to make it ourselves. Maybe we can start a musician's coop to that end? :) - Maluvia From lee at rockingtiger.com Thu Mar 2 13:27:02 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Thu Mar 2 13:27:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional Message-ID: <537831.2551141324022898.JavaMail.root@mugen> ----- Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > > ----- Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > cannot submit datapipe for urb 4, err = -28 > > 28 = ENOSPC (not enough bandwidth) > > > I have usb bandwidth turned off in the kernel. > > Then try a newer kernel. Seriously? I have 2.6.12.2 and I have read reports of people solving this problem with 2.6.11! How much newer is new? Doing kernel compile foo is one of my least favorite things. > > ALSA and OSS emu drivers will playback sound. It is only a JACK > issue. > > Jack tries to use full duplex. Try using only playback or capture > (-P, > -C). Woah...I'd prefer if the device can do duplex, because it's capable of that for sure. I'll take this to the jack email list. -lee From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Thu Mar 2 14:38:23 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Thu Mar 2 14:31:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <1141312799.8789.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060301215248.3C5868A0E09@music.columbia.edu> <200603011606510810.022E61A8@mail.imbris.net> <1141266806.8789.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060302085617.28a3d7bd.jh@brainiac.com> <1141309193.8789.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060302101241.5782bd40.jh@brainiac.com> <1141312799.8789.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060302193823.GA5054@linux-1> On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 10:19:59AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > there is another possibility: that i've been duped by a highly tech- > oriented sales pitch and that in reality jitter doesn't matter much. It matters if it's really bad. But given today's digital components and technology an audio card designer really has to be quite incompetent (or have an incompetent manager) in order to get to that point. For my work I design systems that sample at up to 1 Ghz. Clock jitter in sampled signals results in 'phase noise' and there are usually quite heavy specs on that in space telecom equipment. But even with sample periods in the nanosecond range it's usually *not* the AD or DA converters that dominate the phase noise equation. -- FA From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Mar 2 14:32:30 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Mar 2 14:32:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional In-Reply-To: <537831.2551141324022898.JavaMail.root@mugen> References: <537831.2551141324022898.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <1141327951.3042.3.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 13:27 -0500, Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > Seriously? I have 2.6.12.2 and I have read reports of people solving > this problem with 2.6.11! How much newer is new? Doing kernel compile > foo is one of my least favorite things. > 2.6.16 is about to be released and 2.6.15 was the last release. So you're 3-4 versions behind. LOTS of bugs have been fixed in year or so since 2.6.12. Lee From hansfong at zonnet.nl Thu Mar 2 15:53:33 2006 From: hansfong at zonnet.nl (Hans) Date: Thu Mar 2 15:53:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hydrogen - Blues Box drum patterns Message-ID: <44075B4D.3090809@zonnet.nl> Hello everyone, Every now and then a thread shows up on this list discussing a drum pattern library, especially for non-drummers. Being one myself I have collected and devised a load of drum patterns for myself to jam with. I like to share this with you, so ta-ta, ta-ta, ta-ta...... Blues Box!!! You can find it here.... http://hit.tweakdsl.nl/hikikomori/blues_box.h2song Load them in Hydrogen, string some patterns together and start jamming. If you enjoy these patterns, pass them on. If you feel they need improvement, then do improve them without much ado and send them back to me. Some facts: - made with Hydrogen 0.9.2 - written with the standard GM kit loaded - some velocity changes made, but otherwise no humanization - the patterns are standard blues/rock ones, collected from various book, the internet and devised by myself Now, can someone help me to a collection of jazz drum patterns, please? Cheers, Hans From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Mar 2 16:12:09 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Mar 2 16:12:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: <200603021011490010.01357FEB@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060302173651.8251B8CD459@music.columbia.edu> <200603021011490010.01357FEB@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <44075FA9.6080601@poeticstudios.com> Maluvia wrote: >>>Yes - they make budget equipment for starving musicians, but I think >>>they're performing a good deed in that regard. >>> >>> >>> >>What do all you people on this list have against starving musicians? :-) >> >> > >Absolutely nothing - since we count ourselves amongst the ravening hordes. >That is *why* I said they were doing a good deed. >I am very grateful for their V-Verb, since we cannot afford a TC >Electronics Reverb 6000. >I am also grateful to RME for offering such high-quality equipment at an >affordable price for people like ourselves who cannot afford the really >high-end studio engineer equipment. > >(I think we are encountering a linguistic barrier, Cesare.) :) > > I've read that part. I was only joking. :-) > > >>Shouldn't we deserve to have the gear and instruments to make music, >>too? ;-) >> >> > >Absolutely. >I really wish we knew enough electrical engineering to be able to make it >ourselves. >Maybe we can start a musician's coop to that end? :) > > Good idea. >- Maluvia > > > > > > > c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From ix at replic.net Thu Mar 2 16:26:29 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Thu Mar 2 16:17:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA confusion Message-ID: <20060302212629.GA6400@replic.net> i want to thank whoever explained the plug: vs hw: differences - ive been struggling for weeks trying to get amarok to make sound, only to give up and go back to mplayer. it turned out all i needed to do was preface hw or dmix with 'plug'...but this only works with gstreamer. helix is broken and XINE says it cant find any audio devices, even though it has ALSA support compiled in, and aplay -l lists stuff just fine (mainly, i think my 'default' doesnt work (perhaps defautling to hw, and not plughw?), but i have no idea how to fix that) i cant help but think theres a refactoring waiting to happen - it appears 'plug' is doing some type of sample format conversion voodoo, but then a different layer is needed to provide decoding facilities to apps, and this layer (the gstreamer/esound/polyp/arts/xine's of the world) cant even connect to JACK. the jackplug via ALSA hack is buggy and unstable, and surely not the way signal flow was meant to be arranged anyways. plus it seems gstreamer removed their JACK sink entirely in 0.10 (why??? - well, i know why, as i hacked the autotools files of the prior version, and was greeted with all sorts of errors when even trying to use it from the gst-test apps). i wouldnt really mind just using dmix or something, if it actually worked at the same time JACk does (it doesnt). not to mentino DMIX doesnt even work at all on my 'professional' card, but works fine on the horrid biltin chip which has so much noise leak that its unusable.. i guess i will just write a nice audio player as a DSSI plugin, and add a scripting layer to hook into amarok's database schema, since that seems easier than fighting with all of the above :) i just want to hear music damnit.... From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Mar 2 16:31:51 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Mar 2 16:32:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA confusion In-Reply-To: <20060302212629.GA6400@replic.net> References: <20060302212629.GA6400@replic.net> Message-ID: <1141335112.3042.24.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 21:26 +0000, cdr wrote: > > i guess i will just write a nice audio player as a DSSI plugin, and > add a scripting layer to hook into amarok's database schema, since > that seems easier than fighting with all of the above :) i just want > to hear music damnit.... > You must have some bizarre Win-soundcard that doesn't support any of the formats people actually use for .wav files, and/or be trying to use a USB audio device, which are impossible to determine good default settings for without hardware documentation. Yes, ALSA could be more user friendly, but my SBLive! has always Just Worked. Lee From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Mar 2 16:33:51 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Mar 2 16:34:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA confusion In-Reply-To: <20060302212629.GA6400@replic.net> References: <20060302212629.GA6400@replic.net> Message-ID: <440764BF.2030703@poeticstudios.com> cdr wrote: >i want to thank whoever explained the plug: vs hw: differences - ive been struggling for weeks trying to get amarok to make sound, only to give up and go back to mplayer. it turned out all i needed to do was preface hw or dmix with 'plug'...but this only works with gstreamer. helix is broken and XINE says it cant find any audio devices, even though it has ALSA support compiled in, and aplay -l lists stuff just fine (mainly, i think my 'default' doesnt work (perhaps defautling to hw, and not plughw?), but i have no idea how to fix that) > >i cant help but think theres a refactoring waiting to happen - it appears 'plug' is doing some type of sample format conversion voodoo, but then a different layer is needed to provide decoding facilities to apps, and this layer (the gstreamer/esound/polyp/arts/xine's of the world) cant even connect to JACK. the jackplug via ALSA hack is buggy and unstable, and surely not the way signal flow was meant to be arranged anyways. plus it seems gstreamer removed their JACK sink entirely in 0.10 (why??? - well, i know why, as i hacked the autotools files of the prior version, and was greeted with all sorts of errors when even trying to use it from the gst-test apps). > >i wouldnt really mind just using dmix or something, if it actually worked at the same time JACk does (it doesnt). not to mentino DMIX doesnt even work at all on my 'professional' card, but works fine on the horrid biltin chip which has so much noise leak that its unusable.. > >i guess i will just write a nice audio player as a DSSI plugin, and add a scripting layer to hook into amarok's database schema, since that seems easier than fighting with all of the above :) i just want to hear music damnit.... > > > > > > In amaroK, choose the alsa plugin and insert plug:hw:0 (or 1 if you want to ouput to the second card) in first two text fields. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From carotinobg at yahoo.it Thu Mar 2 16:33:33 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Thu Mar 2 16:36:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: <4407240C.9080201@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060302145741.4C6C08C5AC3@music.columbia.edu> <200603020837100980.00DED8E8@mail.imbris.net> <4407240C.9080201@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <200603022233.33708.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 17:57, gioved? 2 marzo 2006, Cesare Marilungo ha scritto: > Maluvia wrote: > >Yes - they make budget equipment for starving musicians, but I think > >they're performing a good deed in that regard. > > What do all you people on this list have against starving musicians? :-) > > Shouldn't we deserve to have the gear and instruments to make music, > too? ;-) > > p.s. Beringher mixer here. Yes, I'm a starving (not really)musician and I bought a Behringer UB1202:) It costs a fraction of similar mixers of other brands...:) Byez! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Mar 2 16:39:00 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Mar 2 16:39:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA confusion In-Reply-To: <20060302212629.GA6400@replic.net> References: <20060302212629.GA6400@replic.net> Message-ID: <1141335541.3042.28.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 21:26 +0000, cdr wrote: > i want to thank whoever explained the plug: vs hw: differences - ive > been struggling for weeks trying to get amarok to make sound, only to > give up and go back to mplayer. it turned out all i needed to do was > preface hw or dmix with 'plug'...but this only works with gstreamer. > helix is broken and XINE says it cant find any audio devices, even > though it has ALSA support compiled in, and aplay -l lists stuff just > fine (mainly, i think my 'default' doesnt work (perhaps defautling to > hw, and not plughw?), but i have no idea how to fix that) Gack, it sounds like not one of these apps supports ALSA correctly. Are you saying they all have free-form text entry fields to select the device? They should just have a dialog box where you can select hw or plughw or dmix or whatever and another to select the sound card to use. Lee From p.pruszczak at pro.onet.pl Thu Mar 2 16:37:56 2006 From: p.pruszczak at pro.onet.pl (Piotr Pruszczak) Date: Thu Mar 2 16:39:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] debian unstable kernel - low latency? preemptive? realtime-lsm? In-Reply-To: <20060228201956.7b5ce8d4@mango.fruits.de> References: <44045BA7.7080006@11h11.com> <1b6a07c30602280622s5ff88210pa2efac2f996dfce4@mail.gmail.com> <20060228184542.168fb2af@mango.fruits.de> <1141153873.5860.20.camel@mindpipe> <20060228201956.7b5ce8d4@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <440765B4.2020603@pro.onet.pl> Florian Schmidt napisa?(a): > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:11:12 -0500 > Lee Revell wrote: > > >>>Well, the realtime lsm is indeed a valid option, but it looks as if the >>>debian realtime lsm source package is broken (or better the default >>>debian kernel config doesn't work right with it). sth like this.you have to compile realtime-lsm from source (ver 0.8.5 or later..) before you try to compile realtime kernel.. >>> >>>Or it's too friggin complicated for me ;) not, its easy..after 5 times it will die - 6th should be ok ;) >> >>You can install Ubuntu Dapper where this Just Works (finally!). > well, but ubuntu seems to be simply too much..ubuntu :)) - I do mean all of thouse xxxxxx-ubuntu.deb's and the rest of problems with it.. > > Thanks for the tip, but personally i just stick with my debian install > and simply continue building my kernels from source :) > ;)) right - however in my personal opinion gentoo seems to be more attractive for workstation due to the development, new tools etc.. > This install is several years old. I got used to it :) No distro > switching for me in the near future. > ;)) ok, however - my point of view is... ;)) > Flo > regards, -- Piotr From carotinobg at yahoo.it Thu Mar 2 16:38:08 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Thu Mar 2 16:40:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: <4407240C.9080201@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060302145741.4C6C08C5AC3@music.columbia.edu> <200603020837100980.00DED8E8@mail.imbris.net> <4407240C.9080201@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <200603022238.08562.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Alle 17:57, gioved? 2 marzo 2006, Cesare Marilungo ha scritto: > Maluvia wrote: > >Yes - they make budget equipment for starving musicians, but I think > >they're performing a good deed in that regard. > > What do all you people on this list have against starving musicians? :-) > > Shouldn't we deserve to have the gear and instruments to make music, > too? ;-) > > p.s. Beringher mixer here. I forgot a thing: we bought a couple of 3-pieces-bag condenser mics, 30? each (I mean 30? for the 3 mics bag), for our church (we do open air shows 3 or 4 times in a year)... well, they actually LOOK goods, and this is quite important:) Byez! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 16:46:38 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Thu Mar 2 16:46:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Carlos Pino Track In-Reply-To: <43EFC157.9020607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060302214638.86299.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com> Carlos, In a previous post you mentioned ardour, hydrogen, muse, zynaddsubfx, seq24, and qsynth. Did you use those applications to create your tracks? Did you consider using LMMS? Other than personal preference, what lead you to choose those audio apps over the others avaiable? --- Carlos Pino wrote: > Sean Edwards wrote: > > >Carlos Pino posted this link in another mail list, > but > >since he used a V-Amp 2 on the guitar, I thought it > >appropriate to post here: > > > >http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg > > > >It is my understanding that the guitar was > recorded, > >everything else was computer generated. > > > >My only word is amazing! > > > > > Glad you like,Sean :-) > > Cheers > --Carlos. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ix at replic.net Thu Mar 2 17:08:39 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Thu Mar 2 16:59:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA confusion In-Reply-To: <1141335541.3042.28.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060302212629.GA6400@replic.net> <1141335541.3042.28.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060302220839.GB6400@replic.net> > Gack, it sounds like not one of these apps supports ALSA correctly. Are > you saying they all have free-form text entry fields to select the > device? yeah, they just have freeform tex boxes (well, mplayer its as commandline option, whre you have to substitute all sorts of special chars additionally) if 'default' is not the users cup of tea. i've seen the selection menu in qjackctl, thats definitely a nicer approach.. re the sampleformats: hw: used to work , but after some recent update to alsa-driver i have to use plug:, no idea whats changed, i am using ATIIXP but am thinking about springing for a PCMCIA Echo card since their PCI card has been rock solid and fuss free (except for the extra 'thinking' you have to do to use its 'virtual pcms' instead of just letting some CoreAudio or Everything-Plugs-Into-JACK magic take care of it :) From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Mar 2 17:04:44 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Mar 2 17:04:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA confusion In-Reply-To: <1141335541.3042.28.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060302212629.GA6400@replic.net> <1141335541.3042.28.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44076BFC.3030005@poeticstudios.com> Lee Revell wrote: >On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 21:26 +0000, cdr wrote: > > >>i want to thank whoever explained the plug: vs hw: differences - ive >>been struggling for weeks trying to get amarok to make sound, only to >>give up and go back to mplayer. it turned out all i needed to do was >>preface hw or dmix with 'plug'...but this only works with gstreamer. >>helix is broken and XINE says it cant find any audio devices, even >>though it has ALSA support compiled in, and aplay -l lists stuff just >>fine (mainly, i think my 'default' doesnt work (perhaps defautling to >>hw, and not plughw?), but i have no idea how to fix that) >> >> > >Gack, it sounds like not one of these apps supports ALSA correctly. Are >you saying they all have free-form text entry fields to select the >device? > >They should just have a dialog box where you can select hw or plughw or >dmix or whatever and another to select the sound card to use. > >Lee > > > I think that both a text entry field and a drop down menu (like in qjackctl) is the best solution. It's frustrating when the parameter you need is not included in the menu choices. If there's just one, the entry field is better, IMHO. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From terakuma at imbris.net Thu Mar 2 18:18:02 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Thu Mar 2 18:18:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DVD-Audio In-Reply-To: <20060302213411.705638D6550@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060302213411.705638D6550@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603021518020520.024DE64E@mail.imbris.net> We are considering releasing our next album in DVD-Audio format, as well as CD. (This would be high-resolution stereo 192khz) We've found authoring software (both open-source and commercial) that we think will work, but are confused about the hardware player end of things - the audio output in particular. I don't understand if any of today's DVD players, consumer grade or higher, will actually play back that format at it's original resolution given the various copy-protection schemes in place - particularly for the high-res PCM - and whether these files can be output analog or digital or both. Everything I've been reading about it seems to be pretty out of date, and has only served to confuse me further. Is anyone here producing DVD-Audios of this sort? Is this even a viable format anymore or has it already been abandoned in the marketplace? (If this is too OT for the list I'll move it elsewhere, but I'm really interested in what your guys opinion is about it all.) Confused, Maluvia From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Thu Mar 2 19:21:47 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Thu Mar 2 19:24:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <200603011921070160.02E0414E@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060302012804.2F8A08AB55D@music.columbia.edu> <200603011921070160.02E0414E@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <1141345307.18970.5.camel@eviltwin> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 19:21 -0800, Maluvia wrote: > David, you had me all the way up to this point: > > >And argue with people like Paul Davis on *this very subject* is bound > >to failure, if not rude. > > I'm sorry, but I just can't go along with this concept that some people are > off limits to argument, debate, disagreement, criticism or questioning. > I agree. Anyway, Paul's not off-limits to arguing - we argue with him all the time. I'm sure he loves it ;-) > Perhaps there's some male heirarchical conditioning behind such a notion, > but I can't accept it. > If it was not 'rude' or 'disrespectful' to argue with or insult me, then it > is not rude to argue with Paul, or anyone else on this list. > As far as I am concerned, every single person on this list is an > intelligent, accomplished person in their own right, in their own fields of > endeavor, and deserving of equal respect - and equal scrutiny. > I also think everyone here is making useful contributions in their own way > to this community. > > It has not escaped my notice that certain individuals in this community are > talked to, and about, with what borders almost on reverence and awe > (sounding religious again ;) ) - and it makes me squirrelly, and rather > embarassed. I do have to say that, after having programmed professionally for about 30 years, Paul is damn good! Probably on the same level as some of the higher end kernel people (and certainly way the hell better than me ;-) > If part of the community consensus here is that certain people are above > others - for whatever reason - and that they are beyond questioning, I can > no more fit in here than I did in academia. > I hope that that is not really the case. > Nope, you can yell at anyone here ;-) The nice thing here is that most people can handle it. If you want to get seriously slapped down try posting on prosoundweb (I don't even attempt it ;-) -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Thu Mar 2 19:37:07 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Thu Mar 2 19:40:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: References: <5bdc1c8b0602280848r2da8f100h40146c5f8f95aa79@mail.gmail.com> <1141154533.5860.25.camel@mindpipe> <200603010031.26896.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <1141282400.3088.6.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060302095344.2ac9463d.jh@brainiac.com> <440707C4.9060000@expressmart.com> Message-ID: <1141346228.18970.11.camel@eviltwin> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 02:07 +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > On 3/3/06, timg wrote: > > Joe Hartley wrote: > > > > >On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:53:20 -0800 > > >Florin Andrei wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 00:31 +0100, Carotinho wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>>Alle 20:22, marted? 28 febbraio 2006, Lee Revell ha scritto: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 08:48 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>http://musicthing.blogspot.com/ > > >>>>>http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=8552 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>Behringer might have been cutting some corners?!? I am shocked, > > >>>>SHOCKED. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>Let's forgive them, for poor musician's sake:) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>As much as I like Behringer prices, their quality is something totally > > >>undesirable. > > >> > > >> > > > > > >I find that Behringer's quality varies greatly, as does their originality. > > >I have a BCF2000 controller which is just frelling brilliant. It works > > >really well, and is, as far as I can tell, a very original piece of > > >equipment. > > > > > >I also have a Behringer T1953 mic preamp which I never use because it > > >gives me a much harsher sound than I like. I even prefer the preamps in > > >my Behringer mixer to it. The mixer's not bad, and has never given me > > >problems. > > > > > >The last piece of B gear I'll mention that I have is a cable tester. This > > >is the piece of gear that shows what little regard they have for other > > >companies when designing gear. > > > > > >Here's the B tester: http://www.behringer.com/CT100/index.cfm?lang=ENG > > >and here's a piece of gear calles a Swizz Army tester, which is the > > original > > >product: http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--EBTSWIZZCT > > > > > >Other than the color of the case, these units appear identical, except > > >for the price. This cheesed the folks who made the Swizz Army unit off, > > >as you might expect. > > > > > >Google for behringer and aphex or roland or mackie, and you'll find that > > >at least early on, the 2 big reasons they were able to sell their stuff > > >so cheaply was Chinese labor (and that hasn't changed), and having a > > >copying machine as the heart of their R&D department. > > > > > > > > > > > But if these actions are found to be within legal limits what can be done? > > I must admint that a company that does not invest in it's own R&D is one > > that will fail... and lose (at least my) respect. > > tag > > > > > > -- > > The information contained in this email is confidential, intended > > only for the use of the party to whom it is addressed. If you are > > not the intended recipient, please be aware that you are strictly > > prohibited from sharing,distributing, or copying this email. > > If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender. > > > > Thank you > > Timothy Alan Gorman > > Petr-all Petroleum / ExpressMart > > 6567 Kinne rd Dewitt ny 13214 > > Cell 315 415 8108 > > Office 315 446 0125 x 126 > > > > > > > > > > again, the v-amp seems pretty different... not just a direct pod copy. > There dj mixers are mostly really, really horrible though. a copy of > pioneer mixers that suck to start with. So a copy of a crap product. > I've got a V-Amp Pro and I like it a lot. You have to look at what you're going to use the gear for before you buy anything (Behringer or otherwise). I've used Behringer unpowered mixers for live sound and they're just fine (the onboard effects are pretty lame though). I see no point in paying ridiculous prices for a Mackie mixer for live sound when your speakers are only good from 60Hz to 16KHz if you're lucky. On the other hand, for a studio, if you have the money, an expensive mixer is worth it. As Mr. Natural used to say - at work or at play, get the right tool for the job ;-) -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Thu Mar 2 19:39:08 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Thu Mar 2 19:42:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: <20060302101534.6b09dc73.jh@brainiac.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0602280848r2da8f100h40146c5f8f95aa79@mail.gmail.com> <1141154533.5860.25.camel@mindpipe> <200603010031.26896.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <1141282400.3088.6.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060302095344.2ac9463d.jh@brainiac.com> <440707C4.9060000@expressmart.com> <20060302101534.6b09dc73.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <1141346348.18970.14.camel@eviltwin> On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 10:15 -0500, Joe Hartley wrote: > On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:57:08 -0500 > timg wrote: > > > But if these actions are found to be within legal limits what can be done? > > I must admint that a company that does not invest in it's own R&D is one > > that will fail... and lose (at least my) respect. > > Nothing can be done if it's legal, and you can't copyright a circuit design. > You can patent one, but it has to be sufficiently innovative to be given > a patent. > > As you say, in the end, they lose respect, and perhaps business. I think > it will be the newer products like the BCF2k that they design themselves > that will eventually make or break them. (Assuming they fall into compliance > with US laws :-/ ) > All of the bad mouthing of Behringer reminds me of the stuff they used to say about Peavey 30 years ago. That's turned around quite a bit. They make some pretty damn good stuff for live use. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 20:17:02 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Mar 2 20:17:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? Message-ID: I am searching for ideas for what to add next to smack ( smack.berlios.de ). Any ideas? I.e what drum sounds do you want synthed that smack doesn't do. Has anyone got ideas for other drum algos or patches etc? I've got to add something cool to the next release apart from just neatening it up... ;-) Loki From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Mar 2 20:19:35 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Mar 2 20:19:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Any one using 6Strudio? In-Reply-To: <1141262869.12821.9.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> References: <005201c63d96$dd52aed0$0501a8c0@lappie> <1141262535.12821.3.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> <1141262869.12821.9.camel@cmn18.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <440799A7.20506@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Aaron Trumm wrote: > is the product the packaging together of a bunch of freeware? maybe > like there's an executable or a CD that installs everything you need > without you having to make a bunch of tweaks or download Ardour and > such? maybe sort of like taking the Planet CCRMA idea a step further? > > is that the product? No it's a collection of Free Software that runs on 64bit ix86 architecture. So it's a Linux Audio distro based on 64bit Debian, as such it's closer to DeMuDi that Planet CCRMA. Had you bothered to follow the link, you would already know this. :] I understand Frank Smith (aka Bob) uses it in his studio and the company also provides the underlying system for the Lionstracs Mediastation, so it is certainly as usable as any Debian-based 64-bit system. I suspect the 'alpha' tag is being deliberately conservative. Oh, and before anyone starts, the project is cool. By which I mean that it has already made a major contribution to the development of Free Audio Software before it has even considered making money for itself. 64Studio is currently hosting the DeMuDi repositories, for instance. If you're running a 64bit machine with some spare HD space I'd go download the iso immediately and see for yourself. :) cheers tim hall /|\ From rtp405 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 20:33:29 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Thu Mar 2 20:33:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060303013329.92327.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Loki Davison wrote: > I am searching for ideas for what to add next to > smack ( > smack.berlios.de ). Any ideas? I.e what drum sounds > do you want > synthed that smack doesn't do. Has anyone got ideas > for other drum > algos or patches etc? I've got to add something cool > to the next > release apart from just neatening it up... ;-) Being completely ignorant about smack I don't know if it sequences but if you do I'd encourage not doing it by pattern interface. Use the percussion staff. It's so much easier than pattern interfaces and if it did realtime playback upon note input anyone could learn to read the percussion staff in about 10 minutes. OK, maybe five minutes. And if smack doesn't do sequencing then how about something rare like good documentation. I'd love to study synthesis I just haven't had the time to do it. Alwright, disreguard both of those ideas and get smack and it's dependencies to compile on FC whatever. Never mind, I'm being a dickhead. Seriously, smack looks like good stuff. One of these days I'd like to try it. ron > Loki > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 20:39:42 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Mar 2 20:40:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: <20060303013329.92327.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060303013329.92327.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Being completely ignorant about smack I don't know if > it sequences but if you do I'd encourage not doing it > by pattern interface. Use the percussion staff. It's > so much easier than pattern interfaces and if it did > realtime playback upon note input anyone could learn > to read the percussion staff in about 10 minutes. OK, > maybe five minutes. > Doesn't do sequencing ;-) > And if smack doesn't do sequencing then how about > something rare like good documentation. I'd love to > study synthesis I just haven't had the time to do it. > good idea... documentation.... don't have any of that at the moment.... > Alwright, disreguard both of those ideas and get smack > and it's dependencies to compile on FC whatever. Never > mind, I'm being a dickhead. Seriously, smack looks > like good stuff. One of these days I'd like to try it. > Thanks ;-) > > ron > > > Loki > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 21:14:28 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Mar 2 21:14:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0603021814tf8e6833x927273f046467778@mail.gmail.com> On 3/2/06, Loki Davison wrote: > I am searching for ideas for what to add next to smack ( > smack.berlios.de ). Any ideas? I.e what drum sounds do you want > synthed that smack doesn't do. Has anyone got ideas for other drum > algos or patches etc? I've got to add something cool to the next > release apart from just neatening it up... ;-) > > Loki > Hi, I've never used smack so take this with a grain of salt, but give it info about time signature and then add some features to allow smack to jam a bit. Let it add a few beats here and there, semi randomly, but sensibly like a drummer would do. Let it add ghost notes like the stick hitting a second time softly behind the first beat. It adds a lot of realism. There was a program along time ago called (IIRC) Jazz++ that had some sort of drum programming language that could do this sort of stuff. While it sounds crazy I use Groove Agent which does an excellent job of htis sort of thing. Just some thoughts. cheers, Mark From dplist at free.fr Thu Mar 2 21:26:05 2006 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Thu Mar 2 21:27:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <1141345307.18970.5.camel@eviltwin> References: <20060302012804.2F8A08AB55D@music.columbia.edu> <200603011921070160.02E0414E@mail.imbris.net> <1141345307.18970.5.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <20060303032605.16c25527.dplist@free.fr> On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:21:47 -0600 Jan Depner wrote: > > >And argue with people like Paul Davis on *this very subject* is > > >bound to failure, if not rude. > > > > I'm sorry, but I just can't go along with this concept that some > > people are off limits to argument, debate, disagreement, criticism > > or questioning. > > > > I agree. Anyway, Paul's not off-limits to arguing - we argue with > him all the time. I'm sure he loves it ;-) Misunderstanding here. I certainly shouldn't have mentioned anyone's name. No gregarious male attitude involved though. :) -- David From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Mar 2 21:33:41 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Mar 2 21:33:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0603021814tf8e6833x927273f046467778@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0603021814tf8e6833x927273f046467778@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141353222.3042.65.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 18:14 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 3/2/06, Loki Davison wrote: > > I am searching for ideas for what to add next to smack ( > > smack.berlios.de ). Any ideas? I.e what drum sounds do you want > > synthed that smack doesn't do. Has anyone got ideas for other drum > > algos or patches etc? I've got to add something cool to the next > > release apart from just neatening it up... ;-) > > > > Loki > > > > Hi, > I've never used smack so take this with a grain of salt, but give > it info about time signature and then add some features to allow smack > to jam a bit. Let it add a few beats here and there, semi randomly, > but sensibly like a drummer would do. Let it add ghost notes like the > stick hitting a second time softly behind the first beat. It adds a > lot of realism. There was a program along time ago called (IIRC) > Jazz++ that had some sort of drum programming language that could do > this sort of stuff. While it sounds crazy I use Groove Agent which > does an excellent job of htis sort of thing. > > Just some thoughts. Can't Hydrogen do that (with samples rather than synthesis)? Lee From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 21:35:00 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Thu Mar 2 21:35:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0603021814tf8e6833x927273f046467778@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060303023500.96003.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com> Jazz++ is still around, and they are looking for some volunteer developers to get it up to date. I have little luck with it running on Linux. http://www.jazzware.com/ --- Mark Knecht wrote: > lot of realism. There was a program along time ago > called (IIRC) Jazz++ that had some sort of drum > programming language that could do this sort of stuff. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Mar 2 21:42:46 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Mar 2 21:42:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT on LAU [was] Digital Fidelity In-Reply-To: <200603011921070160.02E0414E@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060302012804.2F8A08AB55D@music.columbia.edu> <200603011921070160.02E0414E@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <4407AD26.30805@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Maluvia wrote: > David, you had me all the way up to this point: > > >>And argue with people like Paul Davis on *this very subject* is bound >>to failure, if not rude. > > > I'm sorry, but I just can't go along with this concept that some people are > off limits to argument, debate, disagreement, criticism or questioning. Let's remove the 'rude' bit from that sentence. Paul gets respect because he knows his stuff, he is _very_ good at arguing his point and he is largely responsible for two pieces of software that allow all of us on this list to create some incredible pieces of great beauty. The pedestal he gets put on is rarely more that 6" high and mostly so the back rows can see him too. Deifying people is dumb, mostly people make these sort of statements with the intent of expressing respect or thanks and I suspect there is a certain amount of dry humour going on as well. There are actually quite a few people on this list who Really Fucking Know Their Stuff. If you are getting replies from such people, you can be assured that you are asking reasonably good questions, even if the answers seem impatient. Your answers _seem_ impatient to me. It's easy to seem impatient. I should know. ;) It's not that 'some people are off limits' - it's that some topics of conversation are generally considered OT - if I don't actually have all morning to carefully consider everyone's postings these are the ones that I don't bother reading. The main problem I'm having with your postings is that they are so incredibly verbose and take an awful lot of reading. Because you clearly do have a high degree of knowledge in the audio field, I find myself being drawn into considering your points and then personally I get frustrated because I don't understand what on earth you are trying to say. > Perhaps there's some male heirarchical conditioning behind such a notion, > but I can't accept it. Yeah, it's called honour codes. As you must be well aware, the fields of programming and sound engineering are horribly male dominated, which is unfortunate as women are more strongly conditioned to be good listeners than men. This is no more a general rule than saying that men are more honourable, of course. > If it was not 'rude' or 'disrespectful' to argue with or insult me, then it > is not rude to argue with Paul, or anyone else on this list. > As far as I am concerned, every single person on this list is an > intelligent, accomplished person in their own right, in their own fields of > endeavor, and deserving of equal respect - and equal scrutiny. > I also think everyone here is making useful contributions in their own way > to this community. I agree with this wholeheartedly. > It has not escaped my notice that certain individuals in this community are > talked to, and about, with what borders almost on reverence and awe > (sounding religious again ;) ) - and it makes me squirrelly, and rather > embarassed. > However much I may admire and respect someone, I cannot put them up on a > pedestal - it's just not in my nature. > I have had occasion in my life to interact with people who are considered > powerful and famous or highly accomplished and influential in their fields, > and I haven't felt toward or treated them any differently than I do anyone > else. (And it has been my feeling that they have preferred it that way.) > > There are many people whom I do not respect, but that has to do with their > character and conduct - not their rank or station in life, or level of > achievement in their respective field. > I am not a respector of class or station or worldly accomplishment - I > respect people for what they are inside and how they treat others. > > If part of the community consensus here is that certain people are above > others - for whatever reason - and that they are beyond questioning, I can > no more fit in here than I did in academia. > I hope that that is not really the case. > > [Sorry for the rant, but that definitely pushed one of my buttons.] Ooh! what does this big shiny red one do? *prod prod* It is not the case, no. This list does run at quite a high technical level, when I first signed up I thought I'd got LAD by mistake, when the list produces 100+ postings some days, we do owe it too each other not to waffle on too much, or at least be entertaining. When people say this is not the best place for certain topics I would take it as friendly guidance, not as any kind of personal comment. Yes, there are quite a lot of shared assumptions and jargon to get used to, this is one reason why it is always suggested to lurk a bit before posting to a new list, especially on such heavyweight topics. If you hang out here for a bit longer, I think you'll start to really appreciate the level of support this list can give. cheers tim hall /|\ From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 23:55:25 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Mar 2 23:55:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: <1141353222.3042.65.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0603021814tf8e6833x927273f046467778@mail.gmail.com> <1141353222.3042.65.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 3/3/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 18:14 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 3/2/06, Loki Davison wrote: > > > I am searching for ideas for what to add next to smack ( > > > smack.berlios.de ). Any ideas? I.e what drum sounds do you want > > > synthed that smack doesn't do. Has anyone got ideas for other drum > > > algos or patches etc? I've got to add something cool to the next > > > release apart from just neatening it up... ;-) > > > > > > Loki > > > > > > > Hi, > > I've never used smack so take this with a grain of salt, but give > > it info about time signature and then add some features to allow smack > > to jam a bit. Let it add a few beats here and there, semi randomly, > > but sensibly like a drummer would do. Let it add ghost notes like the > > stick hitting a second time softly behind the first beat. It adds a > > lot of realism. There was a program along time ago called (IIRC) > > Jazz++ that had some sort of drum programming language that could do > > this sort of stuff. While it sounds crazy I use Groove Agent which > > does an excellent job of htis sort of thing. > > > > Just some thoughts. > > Can't Hydrogen do that (with samples rather than synthesis)? > > Lee Not to point this out again... but... smack doesn't have any sequencing in it. I use a sequencer for that, like seq24. Smack is just a synth. Any ideas regarding drum sounds (synthesis) not sequencing? I.e any drum sounds you are dieing to have (synthed) that smack doesn't do. Loki From anthony at interlink.com.au Fri Mar 3 01:28:43 2006 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Fri Mar 3 01:29:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Griffin iMic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200603031728.44892.anthony@interlink.com.au> On Tuesday 28 February 2006 12:27, Kenneth Dombrowski wrote: > Hi there, > > I see there are a few people here who have a Griffin iMic, and are > using it successfully. I bought one a few months ago, and have > tried several distros & kernel versions, but have never been able > to get it to work I found I had to go into the mixer, and set the volume levels on everything down a tiny amount from 100% to get record to work. Then it's fine. From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Mar 3 02:52:42 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Mar 3 02:53:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Create a tool that creates Smack patches from samples, analogous to bitmap vectorizing tools. Carlo From v2 at iki.fi Fri Mar 3 04:33:55 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Fri Mar 3 04:34:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional Message-ID: <1141378435.44080d839cac2@www1.helsinki.fi> Quoting Clemens Ladisch : > Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > > ----- Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > cannot submit datapipe for urb 4, err = -28 > > 28 = ENOSPC (not enough bandwidth) Why doesn't jack tell the user this, why did Clemens need to post on LAU to ask? Sampo From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Mar 3 04:43:59 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Mar 3 04:44:09 2006 Subject: [Jackit-devel] Re: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional In-Reply-To: <1141378435.44080d839cac2@www1.helsinki.fi> References: <1141378435.44080d839cac2@www1.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <1141379039.3042.104.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 11:33 +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > Quoting Clemens Ladisch : > > > Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > > > ----- Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > > cannot submit datapipe for urb 4, err = -28 > > > > 28 = ENOSPC (not enough bandwidth) > > Why doesn't jack tell the user this, why did Clemens need to post on LAU to ask? These are standard, well known error codes, see /usr/include/linux/errno.h Lee From v2 at iki.fi Fri Mar 3 05:02:36 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Fri Mar 3 05:02:56 2006 Subject: [Jackit-devel] Re: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional Message-ID: <1141380156.4408143c43f37@www1.helsinki.fi> Quoting Lee Revell : > On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 11:33 +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > Quoting Clemens Ladisch : > > > > > Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > > > > ----- Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > > > cannot submit datapipe for urb 4, err = -28 > > > > > > 28 = ENOSPC (not enough bandwidth) > > > > Why doesn't jack tell the user this, why did Clemens need to post on > LAU to ask? > > These are standard, well known error codes, > see /usr/include/linux/errno.h So, instead of interpreting them to users the software should say: "learn C headers and read errno.h?". Gah. Good software tells the users what's really wrong and directs the user in how to fix the issue. This leads to happier users and less repeated "why doesn't this work" questions on mailing lists, irc, personal email, etc. Sampo From t_w_ at freenet.de Fri Mar 3 05:02:54 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Fri Mar 3 05:03:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060303100254.GA6732@charly.SWORD> On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 12:17:02PM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > I am searching for ideas for what to add next to smack ( > smack.berlios.de ). Any ideas? I.e what drum sounds do you want > synthed that smack doesn't do. - Natural sounding drumkit (pop, rock, jazz ... there are samples, there's Hydrogen, but tweakable envelopes and tuning without sampling artifacts would make this interesting. - Gated kicks and snares (think phil collins) - Orchestra: timpani, triangle, cymbals - Hip-hop / Lofi - Industrial - Amsterdamned kicks and matching snares for techno hardcore / gabber - FX like gunshot, whiplash, breaking glass, earthquake - a complete samba section (will send some of my own patches in the coming days.) Cheers, Thorsten Wilms From jacob01 at gmx.net Fri Mar 3 05:27:04 2006 From: jacob01 at gmx.net (Jacob) Date: Fri Mar 3 05:26:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Web-based collaborative band/musicians app? Message-ID: <20060303102704.GE23141@localhost> Hello, I'm looking for a web-based application that supports working on and discussing of music and pieces within an band. What do I would like to do with such an app: - Upload of mp3 takes which has been recorded during rehearsals or sessions. - Click somewhere in a timeline based image (e.g. amplitude/time or spectrum/time) and the playback starts there. - Define views on parts of an mp3 recording, because they are sometimes several hours long and often contain different songs and lots of talk - Attach Comments (of different musicians) to certain parts or timestamps of a recording - Discuss pieces, eventually with inclusion of some staves (which should be rendered on the server). - All editing should be stored in a versioning repository, like most wikis do. - It should be usable be musicians who don't have a degree in information sciences and who don't want to spent to much time with the platform itself. Perhaps something like a wiki for musicians. - Hardware requisites on the user side should not be more than be a web browser (graphics based) and a mp3 playing app that is capable to play back streams. What I'm _not_ looking for: - Something like Ardour with a web frontend (ok, it wouldn't be a show stopper if it's features were available as well). So, before starting to write something like that on my own from scratch I would like to know, if there is some similar project out there in the world that needs some contribution instead and that would be usable in the short term. Thanks for reading, Yours, Jacob From fbar at footils.org Fri Mar 3 05:41:42 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Fri Mar 3 05:41:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Web-based collaborative band/musicians app? In-Reply-To: <20060303102704.GE23141@localhost> References: <20060303102704.GE23141@localhost> Message-ID: <20060303104142.GH27812@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Jacob hat gesagt: // Jacob wrote: > I'm looking for a web-based application that supports working on and > discussing of music and pieces within an band. What do I would like to > do with such an app: I don't know something like that, at least not open source and for the web. But it would be an interesting tool to develop. A good starting point IMO would be Trac [1] which is a flexible webtool for managing (software) projects. To make that work as a management tool for music, some sound player would have to be developed as an extension. The Icecast2 streaming server could form the base for this, Pd with oggcast~ could be used to navigate inside a soundfile. Another tool collection to take a look at would be the Salem Radio Labs stuff [2] which is originally meant for radio production. [1] http://www.edgewall.com/trac/ [2] http://www.salemradiolabs.com/ Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From nnakae at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 06:01:31 2006 From: nnakae at gmail.com (nn) Date: Fri Mar 3 06:01:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMudi LiveCD In-Reply-To: <200602281155.00228.njcross@sbcglobal.net> References: <20060228071233.4868E846811@music.columbia.edu> <200602281155.00228.njcross@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <3082f7ff0603030301y397d2c0ao963a3da06d15ed0@mail.gmail.com> When I changed PCI soundcard, the same problem was reproduced with new DVD/CD drive. So you may not fix this problem by changing to new drive. I decided not to use DeMudi since neither Live nor installation was not stable. The jacklab of SUSE 10.0 is much more robust, and easy to maintain(for me). On 2/28/06, njcross@sbcglobal.net wrote: > I use 1GB (2x512) Ram. :) > > On Monday 27 February 2006 11:12 pm, Nobuyuki Nakae wrote: > > Message: 9 > > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:12:25 -0800 > > From: "Nobuyuki Nakae" > > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] DeMudi LiveCD > > To: "A list for linux audio users" > > > > Message-ID: > > <3082f7ff0602272312x4e234c08l81ea46a086c4af28@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > I had such weird problems, this maybe relarted to how many RAM are > > installed on the PC. I was using 512MB, for the live CD to run on > > memory, this might have been small and caused swap very frequently, > > anyway, I have not tested, high performance DVD/CD can work on such > > situation. But adding more memory might be better way... > > > > On 2/27/06, njcross@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > ...and you know what's really weird? The DeMudi used to > > > boot up OK with the same CD player, when I first burned it to CD - then > > > it began to hang at 'storing language'. > > > Anyway, think I should try a new CD player... > > > > > > On Monday 27 February 2006 06:50 pm, Nobuyuki Nakae wrote: > > > > Message: 7 > > > > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:50:14 -0800 > > > > From: "Nobuyuki Nakae" > > > > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] DeMudi LiveCD > > > > To: "A list for linux audio users" > > > > > > > > Message-ID: > > > > <3082f7ff0602271850r4d3c7b2cgfb5dc12af8e8abdf@mail.gmail.com> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > > > > > I just resolved this problem yesterday as I understood your problem > > > > correctly. The simpton was that during the 'storing language', there > > > > are frequent CD drive access, and in the end, it stops accssing CD > > > > disk, and hang. I originally thought this was MOBO problem, but finally > > > > I found this was the DVD/CD drive problem. I was using old DVD/CD ROM > > > > drives, but after I changed to the latest NEC DVD/CD drive, it could > > > > proceed the instaaltion without stopping the place. > > > > I think the live CD has divergent data allocation which would cause > > > > this kind of problem. I think it is better to support old/low > > > > performance DVD/CD drive, maybe some reorganization of data allocation > > > > of the CD would resolve this problem. > > > > Hope this help, > From acominu at tiscali.it Fri Mar 3 06:45:59 2006 From: acominu at tiscali.it (Alessandro Cominu) Date: Fri Mar 3 06:46:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hydrogen - Blues Box drum patterns In-Reply-To: <44075B4D.3090809@zonnet.nl> References: <44075B4D.3090809@zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <200603031245.59571.acominu@tiscali.it> Alle 21:53, gioved? 2 marzo 2006, Hans ha scritto: > Hello everyone, > > Every now and then a thread shows up on this list discussing a drum > pattern library, especially for non-drummers. Being one myself I have > collected and devised a load of drum patterns for myself to jam with. I > like to share this with you, so ta-ta, ta-ta, ta-ta...... Blues Box!!! > You can find it here.... http://hit.tweakdsl.nl/hikikomori/blues_box.h2song Hey! nice patterns! :) We are trying to collect songs and patterns in the hydrogen forum, hope you'll upload the song here http://www.hydrogen-music.org/forum/ Ciao -- comix From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 07:30:14 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Mar 3 07:30:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: <20060303100254.GA6732@charly.SWORD> References: <20060303100254.GA6732@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: On 3/3/06, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 12:17:02PM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > I am searching for ideas for what to add next to smack ( > > smack.berlios.de ). Any ideas? I.e what drum sounds do you want > > synthed that smack doesn't do. > > - Natural sounding drumkit (pop, rock, jazz ... there are samples, > there's Hydrogen, but tweakable envelopes and tuning without sampling > artifacts would make this interesting. > - Gated kicks and snares (think phil collins) > - Orchestra: timpani, triangle, cymbals > - Hip-hop / Lofi > - Industrial > - Amsterdamned kicks and matching snares for techno hardcore / gabber > - FX like gunshot, whiplash, breaking glass, earthquake > - a complete samba section > > (will send some of my own patches in the coming days.) > > > Cheers, > Thorsten Wilms > I'm going to need descriptions on what the hell some of these are. Amsterdamned kicks? How do they sound? name sounds mean! ;-) Industrial i can do, as well as the phil collins style. If anyone has other requests, do tell. Loki From jamesmichaelmcdermott at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 07:35:32 2006 From: jamesmichaelmcdermott at gmail.com (James McDermott) Date: Fri Mar 3 07:35:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: <20060303100254.GA6732@charly.SWORD> References: <20060303100254.GA6732@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: Well you've got lots of useless answers, and one good one: > - Natural sounding drumkit (pop, rock, jazz ... there are samples, > there's Hydrogen, but tweakable envelopes and tuning without sampling > artifacts would make this interesting. Yes. And it gets really cool when you can simulate a giant snare with a loose head, and things like that. I've been thinking of making a realistic snare-synth for ages but I guess I should admit that I don't have time. Metallic, ringing, noisy snares are my favourite... mmm, headachingly good! James From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 07:37:11 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Mar 3 07:37:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: <1141353222.3042.65.camel@mindpipe> References: <5bdc1c8b0603021814tf8e6833x927273f046467778@mail.gmail.com> <1141353222.3042.65.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0603030437ud4723b5q2f13064bf65d298a@mail.gmail.com> On 3/2/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 18:14 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 3/2/06, Loki Davison wrote: > > > I am searching for ideas for what to add next to smack ( > > > smack.berlios.de ). Any ideas? I.e what drum sounds do you want > > > synthed that smack doesn't do. Has anyone got ideas for other drum > > > algos or patches etc? I've got to add something cool to the next > > > release apart from just neatening it up... ;-) > > > > > > Loki > > > > > > > Hi, > > I've never used smack so take this with a grain of salt, but give > > it info about time signature and then add some features to allow smack > > to jam a bit. Let it add a few beats here and there, semi randomly, > > but sensibly like a drummer would do. Let it add ghost notes like the > > stick hitting a second time softly behind the first beat. It adds a > > lot of realism. There was a program along time ago called (IIRC) > > Jazz++ that had some sort of drum programming language that could do > > this sort of stuff. While it sounds crazy I use Groove Agent which > > does an excellent job of htis sort of thing. > > > > Just some thoughts. > > Can't Hydrogen do that (with samples rather than synthesis)? > > Lee No frankly it cannot. Hydrogen cannot add anything on a random basis to make it sound more real. Hydrogen doesn't know if the snare is playing on the down beat or the back beat, etc. You could of course attempt to go find samples of snare hits with ghost notes, and you could attempt to use them in ways that sound random making lots patterns and using them at different times. As for me that all takes so long I continue using Groove Agent because I can get what sounds like a drummer in about 5 minutes instead of 5 days. But that's just me... Anyway, he asked for inputs so he's free to dismiss them if they don't fit what he wants to do with Smack. - Mark From t_w_ at freenet.de Fri Mar 3 08:28:34 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Fri Mar 3 08:28:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: References: <20060303100254.GA6732@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060303132834.GB6732@charly.SWORD> On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 11:30:14PM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > I'm going to need descriptions on what the hell some of these are. > Amsterdamned kicks? How do they sound? name sounds mean! ;-) > Industrial i can do, as well as the phil collins style. If anyone has > other requests, do tell. After some research the term amsterdamned is not in active use at all (there's a movie with taht title, though). Read an article where it was called like that years ago, and it got stuck. Always wondered why it wasn't rather called rotterdamned. *shrug* Anyway, I mean techno hardcore and gabber style big, mean, hard distorted kicks. Techniques used to get them are fuzz pedals, overdriving a mixer channel, EQ, compressor, sampling (layering, pitching, cutting off a bit from the start). I tried to get there in a more direct way. Found a square wave with fast pitch envelope (like one you can use on a sine for a TR alike) works somewhat, but not convincing on its own. --- Thorsten Wilms From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Mar 3 09:11:47 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Mar 3 08:43:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] questions re: 2.6.15 kernel Message-ID: <44084EA3.1090907@woh.rr.com> Greetings: I retrieved the sources for the Linux kernel 2.6.15 (Debian's, not a Demudi kernel) and successfully built it. However, before I install it I need to know a few things. First, is the kernel itself enough for low-latency performance ? I opted for the PREEMPT config, along with the 1000 MHz resolution for the timer, and I've compiled the RTC into the kernel. So do I now need a PAM or lsm or what ? It's been a long while since I configured and compiled a kernel, lots of choices exist that weren't there the last time I looked. I'm not even sure I know what PAM and lsm do. Btw, if I do need more than the kernel sources please include URLs for the needed stuff. Second, do I need to compile anything other than ALSA for audio/MIDI USB support ? Finally, the build instructions still assume LILO. What considerations need to be made for using GRUB instead ? Any other advice/suggestions regarding this kernel will be greatly appreciated. :) Best, dp From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Mar 3 09:24:10 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Mar 3 09:24:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Web-based collaborative band/musicians app? In-Reply-To: <20060303104142.GH27812@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060303102704.GE23141@localhost> <20060303104142.GH27812@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <4408518A.8000201@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Jacob hat gesagt: // Jacob wrote: > > >>I'm looking for a web-based application that supports working on and >>discussing of music and pieces within an band. What do I would like to >>do with such an app: > > > I don't know something like that, at least not open source and for the > web. > > But it would be an interesting tool to develop. A good starting point > IMO would be Trac [1] which is a flexible webtool for managing > (software) projects. > > To make that work as a management tool for music, some sound player > would have to be developed as an extension. The Icecast2 streaming > server could form the base for this, Pd with oggcast~ could be used to > navigate inside a soundfile. Another tool collection to take a look at > would be the Salem Radio Labs stuff [2] which is originally meant for > radio production. > > [1] http://www.edgewall.com/trac/ > [2] http://www.salemradiolabs.com/ I'm sure you could do this entirely with Python, which would suit Trac. Not that I'd have a clue where to start, well not much of one anyway. It would be an awesome tool. cheers, tim hall /|\ From pinojazz at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 09:46:36 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Fri Mar 3 09:46:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Carlos Pino Track In-Reply-To: <20060302214638.86299.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060302214638.86299.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <440856CC.5080900@gmail.com> Sean Edwards wrote: >Carlos, > > hi Sean and everyone at the list. >In a previous post you mentioned ardour, hydrogen, >muse, zynaddsubfx, seq24, and qsynth. > >Did you use those applications to create your tracks? > > Yes. >Did you consider using LMMS? > I'm checkin' it and found it very interesting.It's not too difficult to make something with it but I need to explore it more. > Other than personal >preference, what lead you to choose those audio apps >over the others avaiable? > > I think the easyness (is that word correct?) way of use and the stability I found on it. I'm not much time working with audio and linux,and those apps are the first ones I checked because the gui are very intuitive and easy to explore,at least for me. Saludos Cheers --Carlos. From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Fri Mar 3 09:57:54 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Fri Mar 3 09:56:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New song Message-ID: <44085972.1030804@kolumbus.fi> http://www.emvg.net/iamallright.mp3 Personally I am happy with this song, although there are some things (cowbell, compression) in the final mix that I should work out. Or then not. I used these things to make it: - Mandriva Linux 2006, 1200 mhz AMD Duron, 512 mb RAM, Audigy2 - Ardour (with some VST & Ladspa plugins), Hydrogen - Katar Jazzblaster -bass guitar - Katar Popmaster - el. guitar - Maya -banjo - Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard - Behringer Tube Ultragain Mic200 preamp - Behringer Eurorack MX 602A -mixer - some BeyerDynamic -microphone From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Fri Mar 3 10:09:02 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Fri Mar 3 10:07:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New song In-Reply-To: <44085972.1030804@kolumbus.fi> References: <44085972.1030804@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <44085C0E.2090406@kolumbus.fi> Esa Linna kirjoitti: > http://www.emvg.net/iamallright.mp3 And here's the ogg... http://www.emvg.net/iamallright.ogg From rzewnickie at rfa.org Fri Mar 3 10:16:34 2006 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Fri Mar 3 10:16:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Quiet PC Components? In-Reply-To: <1141153824.5860.18.camel@mindpipe> References: <1141153824.5860.18.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060303151633.GE31592@rfa.org> On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 02:10:24PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 08:36 -0500, aljordan@maine.rr.com wrote: > > blick... Do you also have eighteen indoor cats? > > > > One is enough. A cat will fill a PC with dust much faster than smoking > will. I expected this to get better when I moved to a new place where I > don't smoke inside, no such luck - the fans are just full of cat dander > now. IF I ever get a door on this studio, the cats (4) are never ever coming in here ever again. Not only do they fill cases and fans with fur and dander, they seem to like the taste of cables. -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Linux Audio Developer and Sysadmin Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 10:21:14 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Fri Mar 3 10:21:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New song In-Reply-To: <44085C0E.2090406@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <20060303152115.89179.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> This is a linux group, you can't forget the ogg! Nice track, thanks for sharing! --- Esa Linna wrote: > Esa Linna kirjoitti: > > http://www.emvg.net/iamallright.mp3 > And here's the ogg... > > http://www.emvg.net/iamallright.ogg > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Fri Mar 3 10:25:22 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Fri Mar 3 10:23:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New song In-Reply-To: <20060303152115.89179.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060303152115.89179.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44085FE2.4040205@kolumbus.fi> Sean Edwards kirjoitti: > This is a linux group, you can't forget the ogg! > I know, I am banging my head to the wall now. :-( > Nice track, thanks for sharing! Thanks! From fbar at footils.org Fri Mar 3 10:28:38 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Fri Mar 3 10:28:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] questions re: 2.6.15 kernel In-Reply-To: <44084EA3.1090907@woh.rr.com> References: <44084EA3.1090907@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060303152838.GQ27812@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Dave Phillips hat gesagt: // Dave Phillips wrote: > First, is the kernel itself enough for low-latency performance ? I > opted for the PREEMPT config, along with the 1000 MHz resolution for the > timer, and I've compiled the RTC into the kernel. Just try it. For me the stock kernel already is low latency enough, others may want to go even lower. > So do I now need a PAM or lsm or what ? It's been a long while since > I configured and compiled a kernel, lots of choices exist that > weren't there the last time I looked. I'm not even sure I know what > PAM and lsm do. Do you remember "jackstart" and the Capabilities-hack? This is replaced by the PAM module pam_limits now. The don't give you better realtime performance itself, they just allow non-root users to run with higher priorities or nice values and do the memory lock to avoid swapping. > Second, do I need to compile anything other than ALSA for audio/MIDI > USB support ? No. Just make sure, you don't build the OSS modules or blacklist them in /etc/hotplug/blacklist > Finally, the build instructions still assume LILO. What considerations > need to be made for using GRUB instead ? If you build with make-kpkg (recommended!) you can do some configuration in "/etc/kernel-img.conf": postinst_hook=/sbin/update-grub postrm_hook=/sbin/update-grub This will update your grub-loader automatically, once you install a new kernel image from a Debian package. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 10:36:41 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Fri Mar 3 10:36:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New song In-Reply-To: <44085FE2.4040205@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <20060303153641.43490.qmail@web52610.mail.yahoo.com> Did you record that with Audacity? It may make a nice drum track for your next song ;) --- Esa Linna wrote: > I know, I am banging my head to the wall now. :-( __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From terakuma at imbris.net Fri Mar 3 10:41:08 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Fri Mar 3 10:41:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT on LAU In-Reply-To: <20060303093424.03A108EF6B6@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060303093424.03A108EF6B6@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603030741080990.007535DD@mail.imbris.net> >The main problem I'm having with your >postings is that they are so incredibly verbose and take an awful lot of >reading. . . . . Yes - this has been brought to my attention. ;) I see that most here do generally keep it to '6 lines or less', and recognize that on a list - especially such a busy one - this is good etiquette and a practical necessity. I have trouble with the terseness, but will definitely work on it - or just refrain from posting if I can't say what I want to in a succinct fashion. >> [Sorry for the rant, but that definitely pushed one of my buttons.] > >Ooh! what does this big shiny red one do? *prod prod* You don't wan't to know. ;) >This list does run at quite a high technical level, when I first signed >up I thought I'd got LAD by mistake. Definitely had the same reaction - sometimes I can't tell whether I'm reading from LAD or LAU, which is why I thought the forum was a good idea - though I agree it would be a shame to split up the community. But you must realize that there are many of us interested in using Linux for music production, (and more generally in the oss community) who are *not* programmers or engineers. The level of code-speak/tech-speak feels very high for a 'user' list, and I do think this community can be off-putting to a lot of people with less-technical backgrounds. There doesn't seem to be a place for more casual, less technically-focused discussion - and doubtless that's precisely as intended. Perhaps I can create a forum at linuxaudyssey which can serve as an LAU refugee camp where discussions of a more general nature can take place (even discussions about the spiritual aspects of music :) ) - kind of like a pub you go to after work - "A place where OT is always On-Topic" :D >If you hang out here for a bit longer, I think you'll start to really >appreciate the level of support this list can give. I already do. I respect the hell out of you guys - that's why I've hung with it so long trying to pick your brains and glean what I can comprehend from your erudite discussions. :) And thanks for yet another cruelty-free post. :) I'll turn this into a cruelty-free list yet! - Maluvia From conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de Fri Mar 3 10:46:31 2006 From: conrad.berhoerster at gmx.de (conrad =?iso-8859-1?q?berh=F6rster?=) Date: Fri Mar 3 10:49:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Web-based collaborative band/musicians app? In-Reply-To: <20060303102704.GE23141@localhost> References: <20060303102704.GE23141@localhost> Message-ID: <200603031646.32557.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Am Freitag 03 M?rz 2006 11:27 schrieb Jacob: > Hello, > > I'm looking for a web-based application that supports working on and > discussing of music and pieces within an band. What do I would like to > do with such an app: > > - Upload of mp3 takes which has been recorded during rehearsals or > sessions. > - Click somewhere in a timeline based image (e.g. amplitude/time or > spectrum/time) and the playback starts there. > - Define views on parts of an mp3 recording, because they are > sometimes several hours long and often contain different songs and > lots of talk > - Attach Comments (of different musicians) to certain parts or > timestamps of a recording > - Discuss pieces, eventually with inclusion of some staves (which > should be rendered on the server). > - All editing should be stored in a versioning repository, like most > wikis do. > > - It should be usable be musicians who don't have a degree in > information sciences and who don't want to spent to much time with > the platform itself. Perhaps something like a wiki for musicians. > - Hardware requisites on the user side should not be more than be a web > browser (graphics based) and a mp3 playing app that is capable to > play back streams. > > What I'm _not_ looking for: > > - Something like Ardour with a web frontend (ok, it wouldn't be a show > stopper if it's features were available as well). > > So, before starting to write something like that on my own from scratch > I would like to know, if there is some similar project out there in the > world that needs some contribution instead and that would be usable in > the short term. > > Thanks for reading, > > Yours, > > Jacob i think, this is what you are looking for. http://www.into-music.com/ and two additional links http://www.transjam.com/ http://www.netjam.org/ there was once a company (resrocket), who try to do something like that. but the costs of server exploded, so they gave up, i heard. sizu c~ From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri Mar 3 10:55:58 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri Mar 3 10:56:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: <1141346348.18970.14.camel@eviltwin> References: <5bdc1c8b0602280848r2da8f100h40146c5f8f95aa79@mail.gmail.com> <1141154533.5860.25.camel@mindpipe> <200603010031.26896.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <1141282400.3088.6.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060302095344.2ac9463d.jh@brainiac.com> <440707C4.9060000@expressmart.com> <20060302101534.6b09dc73.jh@brainiac.com> <1141346348.18970.14.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <20060303155558.GA19176@slinkp.com> On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 06:39:08PM -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > All of the bad mouthing of Behringer reminds me of the stuff they > used to say about Peavey 30 years ago. That's turned around quite a > bit. They make some pretty damn good stuff for live use. Well, the specifics are different. The main complaint I recall about Peavey was "sounds like crap". Was anybody accusing Peavey of ripping off other brands' designs? And at least since the early eighties, Peavey's had a reputation for making very reliable gear, unlike Behringer. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From b0ef at esben-stien.name Fri Mar 3 12:56:39 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Fri Mar 3 11:07:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: (Loki Davison's message of "Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:17:02 +1100") References: Message-ID: <871wxjs97s.fsf@esben-stien.name> "Loki Davison" writes: > Any ideas? The wave equation?;). Use of partial differential equations, definite integrals and Bessel functions. There are some algos you can use realtime, though they demand alot. Use of the Rabenstein algorithm: http://www.lnt.de/LNT_I/research/projects/soundsynthesis/index.php?lang=eng Maybe you can chop parts of it up spread them out on the network?;). Like realtime raytracing projects using 100 CPUs and more. Have you done any work on non realtime synthesis?. I'm very interested in this and I'm playing with octave and r now. I don't necessarily want to recreate a real drum. I'm looking for that dirty sound; the crushed cardboard box sound, the hit on trashcans and having control of all it's parameters;). We can probably do such extensive algorithms realtime in the near future. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 11:13:16 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Fri Mar 3 11:13:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT on LAU In-Reply-To: <200603030741080990.007535DD@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <20060303161316.91371.qmail@web52604.mail.yahoo.com> Maybe we should complement this group with a Blog or WiKi? --- Maluvia wrote: > >The main problem I'm having with your > >postings is that they are so incredibly verbose and > take an awful lot of > >reading. . . . . __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kouhia at nic.funet.fi Fri Mar 3 11:22:19 2006 From: kouhia at nic.funet.fi (Juhana Sadeharju) Date: Fri Mar 3 11:22:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Companies Refusing to Release/Permit Linux Drivers Message-ID: As long as MS Windows is the only preinstalled OS in purchased computers, Linux is a major loser. The purchased computer may even cost the same or more (more likely) if you don't want the MS Windows. Think about the world in which Linux is the only preinstalled OS in the purchased computers: how many domestic users would spend additional $$$ for MS Windows? I don't understand PC sellers because Linux is free. I'm sure in the above situation very soon people would demand more software to Linux so that people would not have to put $$$ extra to additional OS. I'm toying with the idea that when a computer is tax-deductible, the goverment pays with respect to lowest priced OS. Similarly with all kind of taxpayer funded grants/awards: grant would include only the lowest priced OS. And not only OS, any software would be treated the similar way: GIMP instead of Photoshop, Blender instead of Maya or Max, Ardour instead of Protools. When people do not get grants for $$$$ software, they are more willing to use the lowest priced alternative. We should educate politicians and grant givers about the lowest priced alternatives. Juhana -- http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-graphics-dev for developers of open source graphics software From kouhia at nic.funet.fi Fri Mar 3 11:22:23 2006 From: kouhia at nic.funet.fi (Juhana Sadeharju) Date: Fri Mar 3 11:22:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Quiet PC Components? Message-ID: I'm wearing ear plugs when I use my computer! Juhana From dave at pawfal.org Fri Mar 3 11:42:04 2006 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Fri Mar 3 11:42:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45740.193.203.82.226.1141404124.squirrel@www.webmail.pawfal.org> > I am searching for ideas for what to add next to smack ( > smack.berlios.de ). Any ideas? I.e what drum sounds do you want > synthed that smack doesn't do. Has anyone got ideas for other drum > algos or patches etc? I've got to add something cool to the next > release apart from just neatening it up... ;-) anyone know what happened to this app?: http://sourceforge.net/projects/industrializer it used to be my favorite for percussion generation... nick the algos and make them realtime :) cheers, dave From lee at rockingtiger.com Fri Mar 3 11:46:58 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Fri Mar 3 11:47:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional Message-ID: <740457.3041141404418573.JavaMail.root@mugen> ----- Sampo Savolainen wrote: > Quoting Clemens Ladisch : > > > Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > > > ----- Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > > cannot submit datapipe for urb 4, err = -28 > > > > 28 = ENOSPC (not enough bandwidth) > > Why doesn't jack tell the user this, why did Clemens need to post on > LAU to ask? For me it's not the fact that someone had to look up the error code and post it to the list, it's the fact that it happened with my kernel despite doing all the documented things to prevent it from happening. I built 2.6.15 last night. I'll try installing it tonight and see if that helps. I'm not holding my breath. -lee From hard.off at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 11:53:52 2006 From: hard.off at gmail.com (hard off) Date: Fri Mar 3 11:53:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Web-based collaborative band/musicians app? In-Reply-To: <200603031646.32557.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> References: <20060303102704.GE23141@localhost> <200603031646.32557.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> Message-ID: <161320dd0603030853j2c22b7a9neb8e06514531e38c@mail.gmail.com> just out of interest, if you have 2 people on opposite sides of the globe both with broadband connections....how much latency are you looking at if you send (control) data by OSC ??? is internet-based jamming still science fiction? From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Mar 3 11:55:40 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Mar 3 11:58:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: New song In-Reply-To: <44085972.1030804@kolumbus.fi> References: <44085972.1030804@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: Hey... Great work. I would have never guessed it's not a real drummer. I think this is the kind of song that can show someone how beautiful she (or he) really is. Carlo From pinojazz at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 11:59:49 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Fri Mar 3 11:59:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour crash when move the playing cursor Message-ID: <44087605.6010701@gmail.com> Hi there,I found an issue with ardour 0.99-1 and 0.99-2,that make crash the app if I move the playing cursor,with the mouse, during the reproduction of the tracks.It doesn't happens with 0.99,that works really smooth.Also tryed with the cvs version with same results. Anybody got the same or similar? Is there something to do to avoid these? My machine: PIV 2.6 mhz,1gb ddr,terratec dmx6 fire ,running Debian Sarge. Saludos. --Carlos. From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri Mar 3 12:08:01 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri Mar 3 12:08:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Web-based collaborative band/musicians app? In-Reply-To: <161320dd0603030853j2c22b7a9neb8e06514531e38c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060303102704.GE23141@localhost> <200603031646.32557.conrad.berhoerster@gmx.de> <161320dd0603030853j2c22b7a9neb8e06514531e38c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060303170801.GB19176@slinkp.com> On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 01:53:52AM +0900, hard off wrote: > just out of interest, if you have 2 people on opposite sides of the > globe both with broadband connections....how much latency are you > looking at if you send (control) data by OSC ??? > > is internet-based jamming still science fiction? Gaming might offer some interesting comparisons here. It is very difficult to get good latency when playing against somebody around the world, and even worse for musicians, there's a lot of variability (some packets arrive very late, packets are dropped completely, etc.) which can be smoothed in two ways: by increasing buffer sizes (and latency), and/or by predicting what was going to happen in the packets that didn't show up. The latter techique probably has to be tweaked heavily to the physics model of the game in question. I wonder how well that approach could be applied to music? My intuition is that it would be very very hard to generalize. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 12:32:11 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Fri Mar 3 12:32:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Web-based collaborative band/musicians app? In-Reply-To: <20060303170801.GB19176@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20060303173211.2086.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> I don't think the requirements are quite defined here yet, and I see the term 'latency' taking on dual meaning and creating some confusion. Firs of all, what are we talking about with collaboration? Real-Time prcessing/recording, or the assembly and editing of audio tracks in a shared environment? One of the biggest problems here is timing. When dealing with music, notes have values in relation to beats and time, ie 4 beats per measure, etc. In order for everything to be synchronized, everyone must first agree to the tempo (beats per minute). There are techniques to do this in a localized system, SMPTE, or MIDI Clock, are two examples. The challenge is to achieve this synchronization, in real time, and compensate for the distance latency. The other latency problem is with sound generation. We all know the challenges of getting things synchronized in our local machines, so this poses an even greater challenge by adding the time latency related physical distance. The vision I came up with for such a system is a combination of a file sharing (GNUTella, SAMBA, or NFS?) and clustering (Beowolf). Sharing the files and sharing in the processing will get everybody involved on the same page because time could be negotiated to the machine with the greatest time latency. I belive the pieces of the collaboration aspect exist; people smarter than me need to identify the pieces and assemble that puzzle. Because latency relates to both processing time and physical distance, I do not see how this could happen in real-time. Again, somebody smarter than me would have to solve this problem. --- Paul Winkler wrote: > On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 01:53:52AM +0900, hard off > wrote: > > just out of interest, if you have 2 people on > opposite sides of the globe both with broadband > connections....how much latency are you looking at if > you send (control) data by OSC ??? > > > > is internet-based jamming still science fiction? > > Gaming might offer some interesting comparisons > here. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Fri Mar 3 12:37:15 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (baldobe) Date: Fri Mar 3 12:37:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HOw do I connnect Demudi distro to the internet? Message-ID: <3225803.post@talk.nabble.com> I have just installed a demudi distro but I can connect to the internet with it. I did get a DHCP error when it was installing saying that it could not sort out the network. When I try and connect it says that a connection is not found. It is trying to do a PPPoE connection whilst my router requires a PPPoA connection, I am on an ADSL broadband line. Can someone guide me thorugh whatI need to do to get demudi connected to the internet,please. I can connect via my other distros. Thanks Bal. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/HOw-do-I-connnect-Demudi-distro-to-the-internet--t1219414.html#a3225803 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From tito at rumford.de Fri Mar 3 12:41:24 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Fri Mar 3 12:40:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: References: <20060303100254.GA6732@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <200603031840.24330.tito@rumford.de> "Loki Davison" : > sounds mean! ;-) Industrial i can do, as well as the phil > collins style. If anyone has other requests, do tell. If I were to conceive a rythm synth I'd look at ideas from voice synthesis. Not going for language or realism, mind you, but for something between the real and the robot. Vowels and gradations hardcore-grade. Is Phil Collins high on the list? Not that I miss the sound. I mean, there's only 3 zillion samples of his snare around. And honestly: Industrial rythm from a synth is so pathetic. I saw "Einstuerzende Neubauten" once and after that the idea of someone trying to make a synth sound like them just never recovered. Plus the time seems to be over somewhat. But who am I to say, ignore me :) -- Wolfgang From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Fri Mar 3 12:42:15 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (Bal Dobe) Date: Fri Mar 3 12:42:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, needtosystem reset. In-Reply-To: <200603012139.49633.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <009a01c63ee9$d50fea90$0501a8c0@lappie> Hi Nigel, I have done what you suggested below but I still have a problem. What should I do to try and track down the problem? I can not get Rosegarden to work on any distro. Cheers Bal. -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Nigel Henry Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:40 PM To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine,needtosystem reset. On Wednesday 01 March 2006 20:43, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Wednesday 01 March 2006 20:31, Bal Dobe wrote: > > I tried that and I get the message > > > > Realtime command not found > > > > > > When I type > > Qjackctl > > > > I get an error window which says > > Could not open Alsa sequencer as a client, midi patchbay will not be > > available. > > > > Bal > > Hi Bal. This means that the snd-seq-midi module isn't loaded. On the CLI as > root, run. modprobe snd-seq-midi , and now this error should be gone. You > don't have to use realtime, and I still don't have it working on my Debian > installs, but it does work on my Fedora Core installs, but they are a bit > different. Start Qjackctl after modprobing snd-seq-midi, then go to setup, > and uncheck the realtime box. Now try to start jack. If it starts ok, then > try Rosegarden4. Nigel. > > I'll come back with where you have to put snd-seq-midi, so that it loads at > bootup, as I'm not booted into Debian at the mo. Hi Bal. I'm back in Debian Sarge now. On the CLI, su to root, and open a text editor, gedit,kwrite or something. Go to /etc/modules. Add on a new line. snd-seq-midi . Save it and exit. The module should now load at bootup. Nigel. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu > > [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of lilli > > chiffon > > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:17 PM > > To: A list for linux audio users > > Subject: RE: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, > > needtosystem reset. > > > > Le mercredi 01 mars 2006 ? 17:55 +0000, Bal Dobe a ?crit : > > > Just so that I am absolutely clear about what I have to do lilli > > > chiffon: > > > > > > In a Terminal window, do I type > > > > > > /etc/init.d/realtime start > > > qjackctl > > > start > > > rosegarden4 > > > > > > And do I have to do these as root or a normal user? > > > > > > Baldobe > > > > Hi Baldobe, > > > > Here's that i do before using rosegarden4 (and avoid the freeze) > > > > In terminal, as root type : /etc/init.d/realtime start (it's allow a > > simple user to use applications needing realtime capabilities) But you > > must compile as module in your kernel (personnaly i use > > modules-assistant to do this) > > > > Qjackctl is the GUI for jack, and after launch it you start it (with the > > start button lol) > > > > And then you launch rosegarden4 > > > > Am i clear ? > > > > Hope it's helping you. > > > > P'tit Louis > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1422 (20060301) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de __________ NOD32 1.1423 (20060301) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From kevinc at doink.com Fri Mar 3 12:42:41 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Fri Mar 3 12:43:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: <1141282400.3088.6.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <20060303174241.8F724407F@joseph.doink.com> On 1 March 2006 at 22:53, Florin Andrei wrote: > As much as I like Behringer prices, their quality is something totally > undesirable. > I prefer to stick with Alesis, FMR Audio, Studio Projects, M-Audio, etc. > Good quality, good prices. My own experience with Behringer is good. I own compressors, patchbays and a feedback destroyer from them. The feedback destroyer's power transformer (the one in the power supply) is a little noisy, not in the audio path, it just puts out noise into the room. I had to send back my M-Audio Delta 1010 twice. The first unit was damaged at the factory by dropping or something; the faceplate was bent. The 2nd unit had 2 of the input converters die after about 30 days. My Alesis D4 display died after several years of use. My Alesis DM5 is intermittent about power-on booting. My Alesis QS8 keyboard pitch is off by 13 cents. I don't own gear from the others. -- Kevin From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Fri Mar 3 12:43:15 2006 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier) Date: Fri Mar 3 12:43:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [admin] reminder: no html postings on linux-audio-* Message-ID: <44088033.6070007@folkwang-hochschule.de> hi everyone! just a quick heads-up: html postings or other "enriched" atrocities are banned on linux-audio-*. unfortunately, the mailman response "message has a suspicious header" is less than helpful. if you see your postings bounce with this error, in 99 of 100 cases you are trying to send either html or binary attachments. this warning applies especially to our friends at gmail.com / googlemail.com. their web interface seems to send out dodgy mails by default. best, j?rn -- j?rn nettingsmeier home://germany/45128 essen/lortzingstr. 11/ http://spunk.dnsalias.org phone://+49/201/491621 if you are a free (as in "free speech") software developer and you happen to be travelling near my home, drop me a line and come round for a free (as in "free beer") beer. :-D From hard.off at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 12:44:43 2006 From: hard.off at gmail.com (hard off) Date: Fri Mar 3 12:46:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Web-based collaborative band/musicians app? In-Reply-To: <20060303173211.2086.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060303170801.GB19176@slinkp.com> <20060303173211.2086.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <161320dd0603030944y6232a2a4t313d45a7c2506a1f@mail.gmail.com> no, i mean like actual jamming..in realtime. still science fiction, yeah? i think it must be getting closer though. i have had some pretty good realtime phone conversations. don't get much lag over the phone line. of course sending actual audio data would be crazy, cos there's not even very good live audio streaming available yet....but simple control data must be possible, right? From tito at rumford.de Fri Mar 3 12:46:47 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Fri Mar 3 12:47:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: <871wxjs97s.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <871wxjs97s.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <200603031846.47161.tito@rumford.de> Esben Stien : > for that dirty sound; the crushed cardboard box sound, the Reminds me of the awesome film about Motown's Funk Brothers where Uriel Jones talks about his first kickdrum: An old Cardboard box. Says he never ever found another drum that would have had the punch. -- Wolfgang From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Fri Mar 3 12:52:17 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (baldobe) Date: Fri Mar 3 12:52:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work if JACK is running. Message-ID: <3226097.post@talk.nabble.com> If I try and paly a file in Audacity with JAck running I get an error about I/O not being available and that I should check the sample rate. Is this supposed to happen? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Audacity-will-not-work-if-JACK-is-running.-t1219519.html#a3226097 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From robin at rektau.ukfsn.org Fri Mar 3 13:10:53 2006 From: robin at rektau.ukfsn.org (robin) Date: Fri Mar 3 13:10:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HOw do I connnect Demudi distro to the internet? In-Reply-To: <3225803.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <3225803.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <440886AD.6000601@rektau.ukfsn.org> baldobe wrote: > I have just installed a demudi distro but I can connect to the internet with > it. > > I did get a DHCP error when it was installing saying that it could not sort > out the network. > > When I try and connect it says that a connection is not found. It is trying > to do a PPPoE connection whilst my router requires a PPPoA connection, I am > on an ADSL broadband line. > > Can someone guide me thorugh whatI need to do to get demudi connected to the > internet,please. I can connect via my other distros. > > Thanks > Bal. > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/HOw-do-I-connnect-Demudi-distro-to-the-internet--t1219414.html#a3225803 > Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. > > > First port of call is Network Admin from the Apps -> System menu. You should be able to configure your network from there. robin From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Mar 3 13:18:03 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Mar 3 13:38:03 2006 Subject: [Jackit-devel] Re: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional In-Reply-To: <1141380156.4408143c43f37@www1.helsinki.fi> References: <1141380156.4408143c43f37@www1.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <1141409883.3042.113.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 12:02 +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > Quoting Lee Revell : > > > On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 11:33 +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > > Quoting Clemens Ladisch : > > > > > > > Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > > > > > ----- Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > > > > cannot submit datapipe for urb 4, err = -28 > > > > > > > > 28 = ENOSPC (not enough bandwidth) > > > > > > Why doesn't jack tell the user this, why did Clemens need to post on > > LAU to ask? > > > > These are standard, well known error codes, > > see /usr/include/linux/errno.h > > So, instead of interpreting them to users the software should say: "learn C > headers and read errno.h?". Gah. > > Good software tells the users what's really wrong and directs the user in > how to fix the issue. This leads to happier users and less repeated "why > doesn't this work" questions on mailing lists, irc, personal email, etc. We don't KNOW what's wrong beyond "not enough bandwidth". Lee From terakuma at imbris.net Fri Mar 3 13:17:54 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Fri Mar 3 13:38:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Companies Refusing to Release/Permit Linux Drivers In-Reply-To: <20060303173225.EE091901E79@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060303173225.EE091901E79@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603031017540150.0104BE84@mail.imbris.net> >As long as MS Windows is the only preinstalled OS in purchased >computers, Linux is a major loser . . . . . > >I don't understand PC sellers because Linux is free. I'm sure in >the above situation very soon people would demand more software to >Linux so that people would not have to put $$$ extra to additional OS. Last time I checked, Wal-Mart was selling Microtels with Linspire preinstalled - the least expensive ones, not coincidentally. I find this encouraging, at least. >I'm toying with the idea that when a computer is tax-deductible, >the goverment pays with respect to lowest priced OS. Sadly, I don't see this changing. Government has shown no evidence of being concerned with cost - it's just good-old boys and girls in smoke-filled rooms - business as usual. (Incidently, since researching all this DVD-Audio and HD-DVD technology, I've developed considerably more insight into this issue. I've got a 'unified-field' theory about it all now - and it has everything to do with the copy protection concerns of the entertainment industry.) - Maluvia From kevinc at doink.com Fri Mar 3 13:20:34 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Fri Mar 3 13:38:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DVD-Audio In-Reply-To: <200603021518020520.024DE64E@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <20060303182036.A61784068@joseph.doink.com> On 2 March 2006 at 15:18, "Maluvia" wrote: > I don't understand if any of today's DVD players, consumer > grade or higher, will actually play back [the DVD-Audio] format > at it's original resolution given the various copy-protection > schemes in place - particularly for the high-res PCM - and > whether these files can be output analog or digital or both. > Everything I've been reading about it seems to be pretty out of > date, and has only served to confuse me further. I have one DVD-Audio disc. It only plays in audiophile DVD players that specificly advertise that they play DVD-Audio. It isn't recognized by computer DVD drives, nor by consumer DVD players. G'luck.... -- Kevin From fbar at footils.org Fri Mar 3 13:24:20 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Fri Mar 3 13:39:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] questions re: 2.6.15 kernel In-Reply-To: <44084EA3.1090907@woh.rr.com> References: <44084EA3.1090907@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060303182420.GT27812@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Dave Phillips hat gesagt: // Dave Phillips wrote: > I retrieved the sources for the Linux kernel 2.6.15 (Debian's, not a > Demudi kernel) and successfully built it. However, before I install it I > need to know a few things. ... > Second, do I need to compile anything other than ALSA for audio/MIDI > USB support ? Oh, and I forgot: Make sure you compile one of the newer releases of 2.6.15, as USB audio was broken in the first one(s). Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From ix at replic.net Fri Mar 3 13:53:25 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Fri Mar 3 13:44:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DVD-Audio In-Reply-To: <20060303182036.A61784068@joseph.doink.com> References: <200603021518020520.024DE64E@mail.imbris.net> <20060303182036.A61784068@joseph.doink.com> Message-ID: <20060303185325.GA6726@replic.net> On Fri Mar 03, 2006 at 10:20:34AM -0800, Kevin Cosgrove wrote: > > On 2 March 2006 at 15:18, "Maluvia" wrote: > > > I don't understand if any of today's DVD players, consumer > > grade or higher, will actually play back [the DVD-Audio] format > > at it's original resolution given the various copy-protection > > schemes in place - particularly for the high-res PCM - and > > whether these files can be output analog or digital or both. > > Everything I've been reading about it seems to be pretty out of > > date, and has only served to confuse me further. > > I have one DVD-Audio disc. same, some 24/96 PCM remaster of Morton Subotnick stuff from the 1960s/70s > It only plays in audiophile DVD players > that specificly advertise that they play DVD-Audio. It isn't > recognized by computer DVD drives, nor by consumer DVD players. pretty much the same. i finally got it playing, on win32 with some proprietary piece of warez, but only 16 of the 24 bits, and only the first 2 of 4 channels. which is pretty pointless since it included an audio CD with that much anyways. :) > > G'luck.... > > > -- > Kevin > From lau at kudla.org Fri Mar 3 13:50:19 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Fri Mar 3 13:50:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Companies Refusing to Release/Permit Linux Drivers In-Reply-To: <200603031017540150.0104BE84@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060303173225.EE091901E79@music.columbia.edu> <200603031017540150.0104BE84@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <200603031350.20232.lau@kudla.org> On Fri March 3 2006 13:17, Maluvia wrote: > Last time I checked, Wal-Mart was selling Microtels with > Linspire preinstalled - the least expensive ones, not > coincidentally. I find this encouraging, at least. Walmart.com is, but if you go into any Wal-Mart in the world hoping to buy a PC with Linux preinstalled (or even with no OS at all) you'll come out empty-handed. Also, if the Microtel PC's are anything like the laptop we bought through Linspire a couple years ago, they just did a default install and didn't even bother trying to get all the hardware working (the Linspire branded laptop has a Winmodem and flash card reader in it that have never worked.) But it is good that the biggest retailer in the world knows about Linux and sells it somewhere, even if it's only online (and even if they're bastards of the highest order otherwise.) Rob From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Fri Mar 3 14:16:31 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Fri Mar 3 14:09:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DVD-Audio In-Reply-To: <20060303182036.A61784068@joseph.doink.com> References: <200603021518020520.024DE64E@mail.imbris.net> <20060303182036.A61784068@joseph.doink.com> Message-ID: <20060303191631.GC4963@linux-1> On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 10:20:34AM -0800, Kevin Cosgrove wrote: > On 2 March 2006 at 15:18, "Maluvia" wrote: > > > I don't understand if any of today's DVD players, consumer > > grade or higher, will actually play back [the DVD-Audio] format > > at it's original resolution given the various copy-protection > > schemes in place - particularly for the high-res PCM - and > > whether these files can be output analog or digital or both. > > Everything I've been reading about it seems to be pretty out of > > date, and has only served to confuse me further. > > I have one DVD-Audio disc. It only plays in audiophile DVD players > that specificly advertise that they play DVD-Audio. It isn't > recognized by computer DVD drives, nor by consumer DVD players. Yep, DVD-video and DVD-audio are two different beasts. The DVD-A format by itself doesn't look bad, and it supports uncoded multi-channel sound at high quality. Both the DRM and the MLP coding are optional, so in theory you could create DVD-A disks using only open source software. The matter was discussed some time ago on the surround sound list, as the DVD-A format is the only 'mainstream' one allowing musicians and composers to create their own multichannel recordings. But real full-spec DVD-A players are rare, and the future of the format isn't very clear. -- FA From qb at f2s.com Fri Mar 3 14:10:23 2006 From: qb at f2s.com (Q) Date: Fri Mar 3 14:11:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New song In-Reply-To: <44085972.1030804@kolumbus.fi> References: <44085972.1030804@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <4408949F.5070205@f2s.com> > although there are some things (cowbell, compression) in the final mix... I can't believe nobody's said it, so here goes... "NEEDS MORE COWBELL!" ;-) Not really. I liked it, it sounds okay. I agree with the earlier comment about the drums ? it does sound like a cohesive drum kit with a drummer. Which kit did you use in Hydrogen? The whole song bounces along nicely. Personally, I'm not keen on the reverb on the vocals but that's just me. I like the vocal harmonies, the song seems to almost "open up" when they come in and they add interest. Oh yeah, I think the backwards... snare? in the intro is a nice touch. Thanks for sharing. From qb at f2s.com Fri Mar 3 14:18:05 2006 From: qb at f2s.com (Q) Date: Fri Mar 3 14:18:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work if JACK is running. In-Reply-To: <3226097.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <3226097.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4408966D.3090903@f2s.com> Audacity is not JACK-enabled: you need to stop JACK running to be able to use Audacity. Audacity looks to access the soundcard but can't because JACK is using it when it is running. HTH Q baldobe wrote: > If I try and paly a file in Audacity with JAck running I get an error about > I/O not being available and that I should check the sample rate. > > Is this supposed to happen? > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Audacity-will-not-work-if-JACK-is-running.-t1219519.html#a3226097 > Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. > > From ce at christeck.de Fri Mar 3 14:20:14 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri Mar 3 14:20:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work if JACK is running. In-Reply-To: <4408966D.3090903@f2s.com> References: <3226097.post@talk.nabble.com> <4408966D.3090903@f2s.com> Message-ID: <200603032020.14676.ce@christeck.de> > Audacity is not JACK-enabled: you need to stop JACK running to be > able to use Audacity. Audacity looks to access the soundcard but > can't because JACK is using it when it is running. AFIR there have been rumors that Audacity CVS has JACK support? Best regards ce From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Fri Mar 3 14:27:11 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Fri Mar 3 14:26:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa with Delta1010: something missing? Message-ID: <200633112711.092974@winxp1> After googling and reading for several hours last nite, I was still unable to find a solution to this, so I decided to give up and just ask. I am trying to get Ardour, Jack and my Delta 1010 working on Ubuntu Dapper Flight 4, but I wonder if I am missing something from alsa. There is also an onboard C-Media sound chip. I can get sound from the C-Media chip, but the only time I hear a sound from the Delta card is when the Ubuntu login screen appears, and only after a reboot. XMMS will play thru the C-Media, but when I try to change to the Delta card, I get the "couldn't open audio" error message. The snd_ice1712 module is loaded. I tried disabling the C-Media chip in the BIOS, but Ubuntu still recognizes and uses it. Here is what happens when I try to run alsamixer or alsa.conf as root: # alsamixer ALSA lib confmisc.c:1107:(snd_func_refer) Unable to find definition 'defaults.ctl.card' ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such file or directory ALSA lib confmisc.c:242:(snd_func_getenv) error evaluating default ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_getenv returned error: No such file or directory ALSA lib conf.c:3962:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such file or directory ALSA lib control.c:817:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL default alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory # /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf bash: /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf: Permission denied I have tried changing permissions, finally setting /dev/dsp, /dev/mixer and /dev/snd/* to 777. I have alsa-base, alsa-utils and alsa-tools installed. I may not have something alsa needs, but additionally getting a "permission denied" from alsa.conf as root seems to indicate that the file is being used, although I don't know by what. I would really appreciate it if someone could point me in the right direction with this. Thanks. Ruben From kevinc at doink.com Fri Mar 3 14:27:16 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Fri Mar 3 14:27:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work if JACK is running. In-Reply-To: <200603032020.14676.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20060303192716.49BED408C@joseph.doink.com> On 3 March 2006 at 20:20, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > Audacity is not JACK-enabled: you need to stop JACK running to be > > able to use Audacity. Audacity looks to access the soundcard but > > can't because JACK is using it when it is running. > > AFIR there have been rumors that Audacity CVS has JACK support? Or is it that Audacity uses PortAudio and JACK *can* have PortAudio support, depending on whether or not it's configured to be compiled in when JACK is built. -- Kevin From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Fri Mar 3 14:34:49 2006 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Fri Mar 3 14:34:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work if JACK is running. In-Reply-To: <200603032020.14676.ce@christeck.de> References: <3226097.post@talk.nabble.com> <4408966D.3090903@f2s.com> <200603032020.14676.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <44089A59.2010201@sympatico.ca> Christoph Eckert wrote: >>Audacity is not JACK-enabled: you need to stop JACK running to be >>able to use Audacity. Audacity looks to access the soundcard but >>can't because JACK is using it when it is running. >> >> > >AFIR there have been rumors that Audacity CVS has JACK support? > > >Best regards > > >ce > > > I got Audacity to use jack some days ago. You can use the stable release and follow these instructions that I found (originally posted by Linton Smith), just replace Audacity-1.2.3 for Audacity-1.2.4b (the latest stable): /> To make it work: />/ />/ 1. download the latest pa_snapshot_v19 from the PortAudio website. />/ 2. Unpack this into Audacity-1.2.3/lib-src/ />/ 3. Delete the old portaudio-v19 directory />/ 3. Rename the portaudio directory portaudio-v19 />/ 4. configure audacity to build with portaudio-v19 />/ ./configure --enable-portaudio=v19 />/ 5. build audacity />/ make />/ 6. optionally install audacity />/ 7. Start the jack daemon />/ jackd -d alsa />/ 8. Start your jack enabled sound sources />/ hydrogen />/ rosegarden />/ timidity -B2,8 -iA -Oj />/ />/ 9. Start a jack patch app />/ jack-patch-bay />/ />/ or />/ qjackctl />/ />/ 10. Ensure all jack apps have created their jack client ports. />/ Timidity requires a midi input to be connected before it />/ creates it's jack output port! />/ />/ 11. Once you have all of your Jack apps running with output ports, start />/ audacity (portaudio-v19 enabled) Note: if you start it from the command line />/ you will see error messages regarding access to the alsa devices />/ />/ 12. Open the preferences Audio I/O dialog. You will now be able to select />/ the available jack clients as your recording source. />/ />/ Note: if you start up more jack clients, they are not detected />/ by audacity. />/ You must exit audacity and restart it to detect the new jack clients. :( />/ Furthermore, Audacity does not open a jack input port until you hit record />/ or play. When it does it automatically connects them with the selected />/ input or output jack client. BUT it closes the ports when playback/record is />/ stopped. />/ />/ MATT/VAUGHAN/DOMENIC: This is not how jack access should />/ work. ports should not go away unless the client(eg audacity) />/ is shutdown. The idea is to create them, connect them, then />/ use them. this is may or may not be a portaudio problem. I />/ have not looked into Audacity's use of PA and PA_JAck to />/ determine where the fault is but it is possible that it is />/ in EITHER audacity's use of PA or PA's use of Jack. We would />/ greatly appreciate it if you would take a look and see IF />/ your use of PA needs to be modified to ensure jack client />/ longevity. I will inform the PA crowd of this as well so that />/ they can check their side of things, if I get a chance. />/ />/ MARCOS: Hope this helps. />/ />/ Hasta luego />/ />/ Linton/ It works for me. Hector. From h.centeno at sympatico.ca Fri Mar 3 14:40:30 2006 From: h.centeno at sympatico.ca (Hector Centeno-Garcia) Date: Fri Mar 3 14:40:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work if JACK is running. In-Reply-To: <44089A59.2010201@sympatico.ca> References: <3226097.post@talk.nabble.com> <4408966D.3090903@f2s.com> <200603032020.14676.ce@christeck.de> <44089A59.2010201@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <44089BAE.2020601@sympatico.ca> Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > Christoph Eckert wrote: > >>> Audacity is not JACK-enabled: you need to stop JACK running to be >>> able to use Audacity. Audacity looks to access the soundcard but >>> can't because JACK is using it when it is running. >>> >> >> >> AFIR there have been rumors that Audacity CVS has JACK support? >> >> >> Best regards >> >> >> ce >> >> >> > I got Audacity to use jack some days ago. You can use the stable > release and follow these instructions that I found (originally posted > by Linton Smith), just replace Audacity-1.2.3 for Audacity-1.2.4b (the > latest stable): > > /> To make it work: > />/ />/ 1. download the latest pa_snapshot_v19 from the PortAudio > website. > />/ 2. Unpack this into Audacity-1.2.3/lib-src/ > />/ 3. Delete the old portaudio-v19 directory > />/ 3. Rename the portaudio directory portaudio-v19 > />/ 4. configure audacity to build with portaudio-v19 > />/ ./configure --enable-portaudio=v19 > />/ 5. build audacity > />/ make > />/ 6. optionally install audacity > />/ 7. Start the jack daemon > />/ jackd -d alsa > />/ 8. Start your jack enabled sound sources > />/ hydrogen > />/ rosegarden > />/ timidity -B2,8 -iA -Oj > />/ />/ 9. Start a jack patch app > />/ jack-patch-bay > />/ />/ or > />/ qjackctl > />/ />/ 10. Ensure all jack apps have created their jack client ports. > />/ Timidity requires a midi input to be connected before it > />/ creates it's jack output port! > />/ />/ 11. Once you have all of your Jack apps running with output > ports, start > />/ audacity (portaudio-v19 enabled) Note: if you start it from the > command line > />/ you will see error messages regarding access to the alsa devices > />/ />/ 12. Open the preferences Audio I/O dialog. You will now be > able to select > />/ the available jack clients as your recording source. > />/ />/ Note: if you start up more jack clients, they are not > detected />/ by audacity. > />/ You must exit audacity and restart it to detect the new jack > clients. :( > />/ Furthermore, Audacity does not open a jack input port until you > hit record > />/ or play. When it does it automatically connects them with the > selected > />/ input or output jack client. BUT it closes the ports when > playback/record is > />/ stopped. > />/ />/ MATT/VAUGHAN/DOMENIC: This is not how jack access should > />/ work. ports should not go away unless the client(eg audacity) > />/ is shutdown. The idea is to create them, connect them, then > />/ use them. this is may or may not be a portaudio problem. I > />/ have not looked into Audacity's use of PA and PA_JAck to > />/ determine where the fault is but it is possible that it is > />/ in EITHER audacity's use of PA or PA's use of Jack. We would > />/ greatly appreciate it if you would take a look and see IF > />/ your use of PA needs to be modified to ensure jack client > />/ longevity. I will inform the PA crowd of this as well so that > />/ they can check their side of things, if I get a chance. > />/ />/ MARCOS: Hope this helps. > />/ />/ Hasta luego > />/ />/ Linton/ > > > > It works for me. > > > Hector. > I forgot to mention that you have to configure with these flags (and not --enable-portaudio=v19, as the how-to says): ./configure --with-portaudio=v19 --with-portmixer=no good luck, Hector. From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Mar 3 15:02:58 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Mar 3 15:03:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, needtosystem reset. In-Reply-To: <009a01c63ee9$d50fea90$0501a8c0@lappie> References: <009a01c63ee9$d50fea90$0501a8c0@lappie> Message-ID: <200603032102.59012.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 03 March 2006 18:42, Bal Dobe wrote: > Hi Nigel, > > I have done what you suggested below but I still have a problem. > > What should I do to try and track down the problem? > > I can not get Rosegarden to work on any distro. > > Cheers > > Bal. Hi Bal. I missed your original post about this problem. You say it won't work on any distro you've tried. Will you post the hardware your running it on, CPU, memory, soundcard, platform. I presume that Alsa is working ok, and that you can play CD's, use Alsaplayer to play soundfiles, etc. You can post the output of: cat /proc/asound/cards and cat /proc/asound/version Moving back to Qjackctl. Does it now start when you click on the desktop icon without any of the midi connections errors? When you press start on it, does the jack server start without any errors? This is with the realtime box unchecked, and the command to start the server in Qjackctls setup as "jackd". What happens now when you try to start Rosegarden4? Does the GUI for it open? And if so. When does the system freeze up? Thats enough for now. Nigel. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu > [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Nigel > Henry > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:40 PM > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my > machine,needtosystem reset. > > On Wednesday 01 March 2006 20:43, Nigel Henry wrote: > > On Wednesday 01 March 2006 20:31, Bal Dobe wrote: > > > I tried that and I get the message > > > > > > Realtime command not found > > > > > > > > > When I type > > > Qjackctl > > > > > > I get an error window which says > > > Could not open Alsa sequencer as a client, midi patchbay will not be > > > available. > > > > > > Bal > > > > Hi Bal. This means that the snd-seq-midi module isn't loaded. On the > > CLI as > > > root, run. modprobe snd-seq-midi , and now this error should be gone. > > You > > > don't have to use realtime, and I still don't have it working on my > > Debian > > > installs, but it does work on my Fedora Core installs, but they are a > > bit > > > different. Start Qjackctl after modprobing snd-seq-midi, then go to > > setup, > > > and uncheck the realtime box. Now try to start jack. If it starts ok, > > then > > > try Rosegarden4. Nigel. > > > > I'll come back with where you have to put snd-seq-midi, so that it > > loads at > > > bootup, as I'm not booted into Debian at the mo. > > Hi Bal. I'm back in Debian Sarge now. On the CLI, su to root, and open a > text > editor, gedit,kwrite or something. Go to /etc/modules. Add on a new > line. > snd-seq-midi . Save it and exit. The module should now load at bootup. > Nigel. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu > > > [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of > > lilli > > > > chiffon > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:17 PM > > > To: A list for linux audio users > > > Subject: RE: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, > > > needtosystem reset. > > > > > > Le mercredi 01 mars 2006 ? 17:55 +0000, Bal Dobe a ?crit : > > > > Just so that I am absolutely clear about what I have to do lilli > > > > chiffon: > > > > > > > > In a Terminal window, do I type > > > > > > > > /etc/init.d/realtime start > > > > qjackctl > > > > start > > > > rosegarden4 > > > > > > > > And do I have to do these as root or a normal user? > > > > > > > > Baldobe > > > > > > Hi Baldobe, > > > > > > Here's that i do before using rosegarden4 (and avoid the freeze) > > > > > > In terminal, as root type : /etc/init.d/realtime start (it's allow a > > > simple user to use applications needing realtime capabilities) But > > you > > > > must compile as module in your kernel (personnaly i use > > > modules-assistant to do this) > > > > > > Qjackctl is the GUI for jack, and after launch it you start it (with > > the > > > > start button lol) > > > > > > And then you launch rosegarden4 > > > > > > Am i clear ? > > > > > > Hope it's helping you. > > > > > > P'tit Louis > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1422 (20060301) Information __________ > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: > > http://messenger.yahoo.de > > __________ NOD32 1.1423 (20060301) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From dana at ubuntustudio.com Fri Mar 3 15:16:04 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Fri Mar 3 15:16:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New song In-Reply-To: <44085972.1030804@kolumbus.fi> References: <44085972.1030804@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30603031216v5bb17596re67459702a61a0a5@mail.gmail.com> On 3/3/06, Esa Linna wrote: > http://www.emvg.net/iamallright.mp3 > > Personally I am happy with this song, although there are some things > (cowbell, compression) in the final mix that I should work out. Or then > not. > > I used these things to make it: > > - Mandriva Linux 2006, 1200 mhz AMD Duron, 512 mb RAM, Audigy2 > - Ardour (with some VST & Ladspa plugins), Hydrogen > - Katar Jazzblaster -bass guitar > - Katar Popmaster - el. guitar > - Maya -banjo > - Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard > - Behringer Tube Ultragain Mic200 preamp > - Behringer Eurorack MX 602A -mixer > - some BeyerDynamic -microphone Hey, I really like it. For some reason, it reminds me of a cross between Neil Young and Oasis. I hope that doesn't offend you, I really love Neil Young. I think the cowbell sounds weird to me though, sounds a bit more like a woodblock I guess. It is a minor complaint and it's a matter of personal preference. Myself, I'd experiment with some plate reverb on it and see if I could make it a little different, but again, my preference. You did a much better mixing job than I could hope to do. I really liked the drum kit. What was the guitar running through to get that tone? Dana From dana at ubuntustudio.com Fri Mar 3 15:47:07 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Fri Mar 3 15:47:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: References: <20060303100254.GA6732@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30603031247w77c21b44i82dc282277ca106c@mail.gmail.com> On 3/3/06, James McDermott wrote: > Metallic, ringing, noisy snares are my favourite... mmm, headachingly good! Have you heard St. Anger by Metallica? I'm not sure it's so much a metallic, ringing snare as it is a large oil drum. And yeah, it gave me a headache! :) Dana From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Fri Mar 3 16:02:30 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (Bal Dobe) Date: Fri Mar 3 16:03:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work if JACK is running. In-Reply-To: <4408966D.3090903@f2s.com> Message-ID: <00ab01c63f05$c91571d0$0501a8c0@lappie> Thanks for clearing that up for me Q Bal -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Q Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 7:18 PM To: A list for linux audio users Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work if JACK is running. Audacity is not JACK-enabled: you need to stop JACK running to be able to use Audacity. Audacity looks to access the soundcard but can't because JACK is using it when it is running. HTH Q baldobe wrote: > If I try and paly a file in Audacity with JAck running I get an error about > I/O not being available and that I should check the sample rate. > > Is this supposed to happen? > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Audacity-will-not-work-if-JACK-is-running.-t121951 9.html#a3226097 > Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. > > __________ NOD32 1.1428 (20060303) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From rzewnickie at rfa.org Fri Mar 3 16:05:19 2006 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Fri Mar 3 16:05:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work if JACK is running. In-Reply-To: <44089A59.2010201@sympatico.ca> References: <3226097.post@talk.nabble.com> <4408966D.3090903@f2s.com> <200603032020.14676.ce@christeck.de> <44089A59.2010201@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20060303210519.GK31592@rfa.org> On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 02:34:49PM -0500, Hector Centeno-Garcia wrote: > Christoph Eckert wrote: > >>Audacity is not JACK-enabled: you need to stop JACK running to be > >>able to use Audacity. Audacity looks to access the soundcard but > >>can't because JACK is using it when it is running. > >AFIR there have been rumors that Audacity CVS has JACK support? > >Best regards There is a debian package of 1.2.4b built with a fairly recent portaudio-v19 snapshot, and hence jack support on debrfa: ftp://ftp.techweb.rfa.org/debrfa/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/ Seems to work ok for us so far. I'm working on a deb of 1.3.0b as well, but need to get a more recent wxwidgets packaged first. Audacity still creates new ports, connects them, disconnects them and destroys them on each read or write. As I understand it this isn't proper jack etiquette, but it's not clear to me if this is Audacity or Portaudio's problem. > I got Audacity to use jack some days ago. You can use the stable release > and follow these instructions that I found (originally posted by Linton > Smith), just replace Audacity-1.2.3 for Audacity-1.2.4b (the latest stable): > > /> To make it work: > />/ > />/ 1. download the latest pa_snapshot_v19 from the PortAudio website. > />/ 2. Unpack this into Audacity-1.2.3/lib-src/ > />/ 3. Delete the old portaudio-v19 directory > />/ 3. Rename the portaudio directory portaudio-v19 > />/ 4. configure audacity to build with portaudio-v19 > />/ ./configure --enable-portaudio=v19 > />/ 5. build audacity > />/ make > />/ 6. optionally install audacity > />/ 7. Start the jack daemon > />/ jackd -d alsa > />/ 8. Start your jack enabled sound sources > />/ hydrogen > />/ rosegarden > />/ timidity -B2,8 -iA -Oj > />/ > />/ 9. Start a jack patch app > />/ jack-patch-bay > />/ > />/ or > />/ qjackctl > />/ > />/ 10. Ensure all jack apps have created their jack client ports. > />/ Timidity requires a midi input to be connected before it > />/ creates it's jack output port! > />/ > />/ 11. Once you have all of your Jack apps running with output ports, start > />/ audacity (portaudio-v19 enabled) Note: if you start it from the > command line > />/ you will see error messages regarding access to the alsa devices > />/ > />/ 12. Open the preferences Audio I/O dialog. You will now be able to > select > />/ the available jack clients as your recording source. > />/ > />/ Note: if you start up more jack clients, they are not detected > />/ by audacity. > />/ You must exit audacity and restart it to detect the new jack clients. > :( > />/ Furthermore, Audacity does not open a jack input port until you hit > record > />/ or play. When it does it automatically connects them with the selected > />/ input or output jack client. BUT it closes the ports when > playback/record is > />/ stopped. > />/ > />/ MATT/VAUGHAN/DOMENIC: This is not how jack access should > />/ work. ports should not go away unless the client(eg audacity) > />/ is shutdown. The idea is to create them, connect them, then > />/ use them. this is may or may not be a portaudio problem. I > />/ have not looked into Audacity's use of PA and PA_JAck to > />/ determine where the fault is but it is possible that it is > />/ in EITHER audacity's use of PA or PA's use of Jack. We would > />/ greatly appreciate it if you would take a look and see IF > />/ your use of PA needs to be modified to ensure jack client > />/ longevity. I will inform the PA crowd of this as well so that > />/ they can check their side of things, if I get a chance. > />/ > />/ MARCOS: Hope this helps. > />/ > />/ Hasta luego > />/ > />/ Linton/ > > > > It works for me. > > > Hector. -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Linux Audio Developer and Sysadmin Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From v2 at iki.fi Fri Mar 3 16:09:33 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Fri Mar 3 16:09:41 2006 Subject: [Jackit-devel] Re: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional In-Reply-To: <1141409883.3042.113.camel@mindpipe> References: <1141380156.4408143c43f37@www1.helsinki.fi> <1141409883.3042.113.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1141420173.3793.7.camel@puppeli> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 13:18 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > So, instead of interpreting them to users the software should say: "learn C > > headers and read errno.h?". Gah. > > > > Good software tells the users what's really wrong and directs the user in > > how to fix the issue. This leads to happier users and less repeated "why > > doesn't this work" questions on mailing lists, irc, personal email, etc. > > We don't KNOW what's wrong beyond "not enough bandwidth". "Problems with jackd using your soundcard. Specifically 'Not enough bandwidth'. If you are using an USB soundcard, this probably means that you are running the soundcard with either a wrong buffer size or a wrong amount of periods. Try running jackd with -r 3" We don't? I think we do know more. :) -- Sampo Savolainen From rzewnickie at rfa.org Fri Mar 3 16:10:33 2006 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Fri Mar 3 16:10:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work if JACK is running. In-Reply-To: <20060303192716.49BED408C@joseph.doink.com> References: <200603032020.14676.ce@christeck.de> <20060303192716.49BED408C@joseph.doink.com> Message-ID: <20060303211033.GL31592@rfa.org> On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 11:27:16AM -0800, Kevin Cosgrove wrote: > > On 3 March 2006 at 20:20, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > > > Audacity is not JACK-enabled: you need to stop JACK running to be > > > able to use Audacity. Audacity looks to access the soundcard but > > > can't because JACK is using it when it is running. > > > > AFIR there have been rumors that Audacity CVS has JACK support? > > Or is it that Audacity uses PortAudio and JACK *can* have PortAudio > support, depending on whether or not it's configured to be compiled > in when JACK is built. I may be mistaken, but I think it's the other way around: portaudio-v19 can talk to jack. I can't think of a reason you would want to run jack on top of portaudio, even if it were possible. portaudio-v18 does not have jack support, so audacity must be configured with --with-portaudio=v19 if you want to use it with jack. Some fixes to portaudio-v19's jack support don't appear to be in the copy distributed with the audacity source code, so it's best to replace that dir with the latest snapshot before building. -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Linux Audio Developer and Sysadmin Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From fbar at footils.org Fri Mar 3 16:14:56 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Fri Mar 3 16:14:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] walking Message-ID: <20060303211456.GU27812@fliwatut.scifi> Walking. The grid is walking. Or as a friend put it: "An apple rolls around the grand piano keys." "Grand Walker" Total data length: 14,910,301 bytes Playback length: 21m:08.536s Average bitrate: 94.031524 kbps http://footils.org/cms/show/49 (techinfo: Pd, Gem, fluid~, NS_piano.sf2) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Fri Mar 3 16:17:50 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (Bal Dobe) Date: Fri Mar 3 16:18:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HOw do I connnect Demudi distro to theinternet? In-Reply-To: <440886AD.6000601@rektau.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <00b001c63f07$f16c5ed0$0501a8c0@lappie> Robin, thanks for your reply but I have already done this and I still get an error. Can I not copy some file frm one of my other distros into my demudi distro? Bal. -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of robin Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 6:11 PM To: A list for linux audio users Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] HOw do I connnect Demudi distro to theinternet? baldobe wrote: > I have just installed a demudi distro but I can connect to the internet with > it. > > I did get a DHCP error when it was installing saying that it could not sort > out the network. > > When I try and connect it says that a connection is not found. It is trying > to do a PPPoE connection whilst my router requires a PPPoA connection, I am > on an ADSL broadband line. > > Can someone guide me thorugh whatI need to do to get demudi connected to the > internet,please. I can connect via my other distros. > > Thanks > Bal. > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/HOw-do-I-connnect-Demudi-distro-to-the-internet--t 1219414.html#a3225803 > Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. > > > First port of call is Network Admin from the Apps -> System menu. You should be able to configure your network from there. robin __________ NOD32 1.1428 (20060303) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Mar 3 16:20:22 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Mar 3 16:20:31 2006 Subject: [Jackit-devel] Re: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional In-Reply-To: <1141420173.3793.7.camel@puppeli> References: <1141380156.4408143c43f37@www1.helsinki.fi> <1141409883.3042.113.camel@mindpipe> <1141420173.3793.7.camel@puppeli> Message-ID: <1141420823.3042.134.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 23:09 +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 13:18 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > > So, instead of interpreting them to users the software should say: "learn C > > > headers and read errno.h?". Gah. > > > > > > Good software tells the users what's really wrong and directs the user in > > > how to fix the issue. This leads to happier users and less repeated "why > > > doesn't this work" questions on mailing lists, irc, personal email, etc. > > > > We don't KNOW what's wrong beyond "not enough bandwidth". > > "Problems with jackd using your soundcard. Specifically 'Not enough > bandwidth'. If you are using an USB soundcard, this probably means that > you are running the soundcard with either a wrong buffer size or a wrong > amount of periods. Try running jackd with -r 3" > > We don't? I think we do know more. :) > "Or maybe you have enabled CONFIG_USB_BANDWIDTH. Or your kernel is buggy. Or your device is connected through a hub. The solution may depend on which host controller driver you are using..." Etc. Lee From theremin at free.fr Fri Mar 3 16:38:26 2006 From: theremin at free.fr (Christian Frisson) Date: Fri Mar 3 16:38:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki Message-ID: <1141421906.4408b75265c8c@imp5-g19.free.fr> Hi! Simply put, LinuxMAO.org (standing for "Linux Computer-aided Music") is a french-speaking Wiki for worldwide linux-audio-users: http://www.linuxmao.org/ In a rather humble than chauvinistic initiative, let's say it's a common wisdom french people do not speak english that fluently... ,-) Contributers are welcome! Christian From lee at rockingtiger.com Fri Mar 3 16:42:35 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Fri Mar 3 16:42:45 2006 Subject: [Jackit-devel] Re: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional Message-ID: <32333114.3251141422155651.JavaMail.root@mugen> ----- Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 23:09 +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 13:18 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > So, instead of interpreting them to users the software should > say: "learn C > > > > headers and read errno.h?". Gah. > > > > > > > > Good software tells the users what's really wrong and directs > the user in > > > > how to fix the issue. This leads to happier users and less > repeated "why > > > > doesn't this work" questions on mailing lists, irc, personal > email, etc. > > > > > > We don't KNOW what's wrong beyond "not enough bandwidth". > > > > "Problems with jackd using your soundcard. Specifically 'Not enough > > bandwidth'. If you are using an USB soundcard, this probably means > that > > you are running the soundcard with either a wrong buffer size or a > wrong > > amount of periods. Try running jackd with -r 3" > > > > We don't? I think we do know more. :) > > > > "Or maybe you have enabled CONFIG_USB_BANDWIDTH. Or your kernel is > buggy. Or your device is connected through a hub. The solution may > depend on which host controller driver you are using..." Crap. Those are a lot of variables. Perhaps a troubleshooting guide for USB interfaces? The alsa wiki is a total mess on this subject. I don't know enough about the issue to filter out what's true and what's luck but I would like to edit that document to be more conclusive. Here's where I'm at with my setup: 1) CONFIG_USB_BANDWIDTH is not configured 2) Buggy kernel? How do I determine that? the initial test was 2.6.12.2, I am installing 2.6.15.5 tonight. 3) Device is not connected through a hub 4) the host controller is usb-uhci for controller 1, 2 and 3 then ehci-hcd for a fourth 5) I have not yet tried running jackd with -r 3. I did read that periods with an odd number are deprecated but I did not understand the reason. Anything other options I might have left out? -lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Mar 3 17:02:05 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Mar 3 17:02:11 2006 Subject: [Jackit-devel] Re: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional In-Reply-To: <32333114.3251141422155651.JavaMail.root@mugen> References: <32333114.3251141422155651.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <1141423326.3042.141.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 16:42 -0500, Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > 4) the host controller is usb-uhci for controller 1, 2 and 3 then > ehci-hcd for a fourth You get the same results with either one? Lee From lee at rockingtiger.com Fri Mar 3 17:24:52 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Fri Mar 3 17:24:59 2006 Subject: [Jackit-devel] Re: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional Message-ID: <4600807.3311141424692541.JavaMail.root@mugen> ----- Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 16:42 -0500, Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > > 4) the host controller is usb-uhci for controller 1, 2 and 3 then > > ehci-hcd for a fourth > > You get the same results with either one? Here's the strange part, this laptop only has two physical USB interfaces on the back, yet lspci reports four controllers. I don't know how to interpret this, nor determine the function of the two different drivers. -lee From daneasley at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 17:26:27 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Fri Mar 3 17:26:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [admin] reminder: no html postings on linux-audio-* In-Reply-To: <44088033.6070007@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <44088033.6070007@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: On 3/3/06, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote: > hi everyone! > > this warning applies especially to our friends at gmail.com / > googlemail.com. their web interface seems to send out dodgy mails by > default. > gmail users will find a link titled "plain text" to the left, directly above the reply text box (directly below the text style toolbar). clicking it will remove the toolbar and make your email the way nature intended. you can turn it back on as easily, but beware - it remembers the last setting you used, rather than allowing a default option to be set. amazed it can be so handy for reading and wrong for writing. -- dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com daneasley@gmail.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From terakuma at imbris.net Fri Mar 3 17:28:50 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Fri Mar 3 17:29:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: DVD-Audio In-Reply-To: <20060303191834.EA10790BCC1@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060303191834.EA10790BCC1@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603031428500170.01EA83D6@mail.imbris.net> > Both the DRM and >the MLP coding are optional, so in theory you could create >DVD-A disks using only open source software. The matter was >discussed some time ago on the surround sound list, as the >DVD-A format is the only 'mainstream' one allowing musicians >and composers to create their own multichannel recordings. What concerns me is the output restrictions in place on *any* DVD player which supports the DVD-Audio format. As for digital outs - the industry has embraced the HDMI interface due to its HDCP compatiblility. HDCP licensees must agree to limit the capabilities of their products such that DVD-Audio is restricted to DAT quality on non-HDCP digital audio outputs and 'must design their products to "effectively frustrate attempts to defeat the content protection requirements." ' High-resolution audio can only ouput through HDCP digital outs (i.e. HDMI) or analog outs. This shouldn't be a problem for digital output, but does limit the audio receiver devices that can be used. As for analog outs, it appears they're being phased out in the newer DVD-Audio supporting players - almost certainly due to industry concerns about the "analog hole" or "analog reconversion problem". This is further muddied by the pending 'Broadcast Flag' legislation, which if approved, will require digital output protection technologies on all digital outs from HDTV signal demodulators and 'analog output must be limited to a resolution of 480p, which effectively limits sets with analog input to non-HD resolutions'. It is not clear to me at this point if this has any bearing on DVD-Audio, as it depends on what type of receiver system the player outputs to. (If anyone can shed further illumination on this subject, I'm all ears.) >But real full-spec DVD-A players are rare, and the future >of the format isn't very clear. It doesn't look like HD-DVD will replace DVD-Audio, at least w/re to high-resolution PCM, since it only supports MPEG compression. What is more the question is - is there any real market interest in DVD-Audio? It appears to be a fringe audiophile market - but it is also a *paying* one. ;) - Maluvia From kevinc at doink.com Fri Mar 3 17:29:59 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Fri Mar 3 17:30:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work if JACK is running. In-Reply-To: <20060303211033.GL31592@rfa.org> Message-ID: <20060303222959.725CD4068@joseph.doink.com> On 3 March 2006 at 16:10, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > I may be mistaken, but I think it's the other way around: portaudio-v19 > can talk to jack. I can't think of a reason you would want to run jack > on top of portaudio, even if it were possible. I'm not certain which talks & which listens. But, jack has a "--enable-portaudio" configure flag. > portaudio-v18 does not have jack support, so audacity must be configured > with --with-portaudio=v19 if you want to use it with jack. Some fixes to > portaudio-v19's jack support don't appear to be in the copy distributed > with the audacity source code, so it's best to replace that dir with the > latest snapshot before building. -- Kevin From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Fri Mar 3 17:48:14 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (lilli chiffon) Date: Fri Mar 3 17:48:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <1141421906.4408b75265c8c@imp5-g19.free.fr> References: <1141421906.4408b75265c8c@imp5-g19.free.fr> Message-ID: <1141426095.20235.2.camel@yo-machine> Le vendredi 03 mars 2006 ? 22:38 +0100, Christian Frisson a ?crit : > Hi! > Hi Christian > Simply put, LinuxMAO.org (standing for "Linux Computer-aided Music") is a > french-speaking Wiki for worldwide linux-audio-users: > http://www.linuxmao.org/ > I know this for a while, it's very usefull and i(m less tired to read in french. > In a rather humble than chauvinistic initiative, let's say it's a common wisdom > french people do not speak english that fluently... ,-) > And french linux users ? > Contributers are welcome! > I'm too newbies for that, but later of course !! > Christian P'tit Louis. From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 3 12:43:57 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Fri Mar 3 18:43:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work if JACK is running. Message-ID: <4408805D.5010803@sbcglobal.net> Have you tried rezound? I don't know what your specific needs are, but this thing is jack/ladspa enabled and it works great for editing samples/loops. rezound.sourceforge.net Brian From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 19:06:28 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Mar 3 19:06:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: <871wxjs97s.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <871wxjs97s.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: On 3/4/06, Esben Stien wrote: > "Loki Davison" writes: > > > Any ideas? > > The wave equation?;). Use of partial differential equations, definite > integrals and Bessel functions. There are some algos you can use > realtime, though they demand alot. > > Use of the Rabenstein algorithm: > > http://www.lnt.de/LNT_I/research/projects/soundsynthesis/index.php?lang=eng > I already have ;-) As part of my thesis i evaluated this algo. TFM's. They are more impressive than some of the other methods but don't produce satisfying results. Oh, and the polyphase filter bank version has horrible, horrible multirate dsp maths. > Maybe you can chop parts of it up spread them out on the > network?;). Like realtime raytracing projects using 100 CPUs and more. > > Have you done any work on non realtime synthesis?. Yeah. Though you should really try David Clark's stuff for non-realtime things. It's GOOD. ;-) http://home.earthlink.net/~davidrclark/engulf_audio/index.html I'm very interested > in this and I'm playing with octave and r now. I don't necessarily > want to recreate a real drum. I'm looking for that dirty sound; the > crushed cardboard box sound, the hit on trashcans and having control > of all it's parameters;). > okay... dirty... From terakuma at imbris.net Fri Mar 3 19:26:06 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Fri Mar 3 19:26:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org In-Reply-To: <20060303234347.2B6E4918D78@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060303234347.2B6E4918D78@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603031626060450.0255E568@mail.imbris.net> Wish my French was better :( (Does give me an incentive to brush up on it.) Looks like an interesting site - and very pretty. Thanks for the link. - Maluvia >Hi! > >Simply put, LinuxMAO.org (standing for "Linux Computer-aided Music") is a >french-speaking Wiki for worldwide linux-audio-users: >http://www.linuxmao.org/ > >In a rather humble than chauvinistic initiative, let's say it's a common >wisdom >french people do not speak english that fluently... ,-) > >Contributers are welcome! > >Christian From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Fri Mar 3 16:13:11 2006 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Fri Mar 3 20:15:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] No More Specimen In-Reply-To: <1140411467.3331.11.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <1140401605.16545.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1140411467.3331.11.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <200603032213.12028.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> El Lunes, 20 de Febrero de 2006 05:57, Florin Andrei escribi?: > On Sun, 2006-02-19 at 21:13 -0500, Pete Bessman wrote: > > I can hack specimen while working full time. And, I can hack > > specimen while studying full time. But, and this is empirically > > verifiable, I can't hack specimen while both working and studying > > full time. > > Damn. > > Ah well, everyone makes their own choices. Good luck with your > present and future endeavors! I think that you did a good job with specimen, I used it many times -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) Mirrors: (www.musix.distrux.net) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) (www.k-maleon.com/musix) ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Fri Mar 3 16:27:34 2006 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Fri Mar 3 20:30:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Newer kernels: SB Live! line's capture alsa driver bug? Message-ID: <200603032227.35375.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> With these kernel and alsa versions: The SB live! line's capture works fine (it captures from both left and right channels) Linux 2.6.11-1-386 #1 Mon Apr 25 01:18:07 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux Alsa version: apt-cache policy alsa-base alsa-base: Installed: 1.0.9b-4 ------------------------------------------------------ Using these kernel and alsa versions: The SB live! line's capture works bad: (it captures only from the line's left channel) Linux 2.6.14-1-multimedia-386 #1 PREEMPT Sat Dec 10 16:52:12 CET 2005 i686 GNU/Linux Also with 2.6.13-1-multimedia-386 from aGNUla /DeMuDi apt-cache policy alsa-base alsa-base: Installed: 1.0.10-1 ------------------------------------------------------- Here it fails too: uname -a Linux 030users 2.6.15.4-rt #1 PREEMPT Fri Feb 17 18:55:02 EET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux apt-cache policy alsa-base alsa-base: Installed: 1.0.9b-4 -------------------------------- Someone knows what is happening with this odd problem? Do you need more info? -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) Mirrors: (www.musix.distrux.net) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) (www.k-maleon.com/musix) ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From kevinc at doink.com Fri Mar 3 21:49:27 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Fri Mar 3 21:55:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa with Delta1010: something missing? In-Reply-To: <200633112711.092974@winxp1> Message-ID: <20060304024929.A918D4068@joseph.doink.com> On 3 March 2006 at 11:27, Ruben Lopez wrote: > After googling and reading for several hours last nite, I was > still unable to find a solution to this, so I decided to give > up and just ask. I am trying to get Ardour, Jack and my Delta > 1010 working on Ubuntu Dapper Flight 4, but I wonder if I am > missing something from alsa. There is also an onboard C-Media > sound chip. I can get sound from the C-Media chip, but the only > time I hear a sound from the Delta card is when the Ubuntu login > screen appears, and only after a reboot. XMMS will play thru > the C-Media, What does your /proc/asound/cards contain? > but when I try to change to the Delta card, I get > the "couldn't open audio" error message. The snd_ice1712 module > is loaded. I tried disabling the C-Media chip in the BIOS, but > Ubuntu still recognizes and uses it. What are you doing to "try to change to the Delta card"? > Here is what happens when I > try to run alsamixer or alsa.conf as root: Mine contains: 0 [AudioPCI ]: ENS1371 - Ensoniq AudioPCI Ensoniq AudioPCI ENS1371 at 0xdc00, irq 18 1 [M1010 ]: ICE1712 - M Audio Delta 1010 M Audio Delta 1010 at 0xd480, irq 19 As you can see, I have two soundcards, having disabled the on-board "card", which would have been a 3rd "card". > # alsamixer > ALSA lib confmisc.c:1107:(snd_func_refer) Unable to find definition 'defaults.ctl.card' > ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such file or directory > ALSA lib confmisc.c:242:(snd_func_getenv) error evaluating default > ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_getenv returned error: No such file or directory > ALSA lib conf.c:3962:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such file or directory > ALSA lib control.c:817:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL default > alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory > > # /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf > bash: /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf: Permission denied alsa.conf contains configuration data (hence the .conf) and isn't ever intended to be run. Rather, it is read by ALSA. What does your alsa.conf contain? I'll send you my 619 line file off-list. I hope that's OK with you and the list. The above line saying, "Unable to find definition 'defaults.ctl.card'" makes me suspect that the cards were never configured for some reason. Strangely, I never had to do that step. My Delta-1010 was simply discovered and configured by my Mandrake 10.1 system. My alsa.conf file contains one line reading like this: "defaults.ctl.card 0". Keep at it. You'll be glad you did. Ardour with a Delta 1010 is wonderful. G'luck..... -- Kevin From smoak at mis.net Fri Mar 3 22:24:53 2006 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Fri Mar 3 22:24:07 2006 Subject: [Jackit-devel] Re: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 =?utf-8?q?audio on=20i386?= non-functional In-Reply-To: <1141409883.3042.113.camel@mindpipe> References: <1141380156.4408143c43f37@www1.helsinki.fi> <1141409883.3042.113.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200603032224.53705.smoak@mis.net> On Friday 03 March 2006 13:18, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 12:02 +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > Quoting Lee Revell : > > > On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 11:33 +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > > > Quoting Clemens Ladisch : > > > > > Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > > > > > > ----- Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > > > > > cannot submit datapipe for urb 4, err = -28 > > > > > > > > > > 28 = ENOSPC (not enough bandwidth) > > > > > > > > Why doesn't jack tell the user this, why did Clemens need to > > > > post on > > > > > > LAU to ask? > > > > > > These are standard, well known error codes, > > > see /usr/include/linux/errno.h > > > > So, instead of interpreting them to users the software should say: > > "learn C headers and read errno.h?". Gah. > > > > Good software tells the users what's really wrong and directs the > > user in how to fix the issue. This leads to happier users and less > > repeated "why doesn't this work" questions on mailing lists, irc, > > personal email, etc. > > We don't KNOW what's wrong beyond "not enough bandwidth". > > Lee Then why not report "not engouh bandwidth" to the user? From espame at comcast.net Fri Mar 3 22:57:04 2006 From: espame at comcast.net (E) Date: Fri Mar 3 22:36:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour crash when move the playing cursor In-Reply-To: <200603031949.36257.ebasta@comcast.net> References: <44087605.6010701@gmail.com> <200603031949.36257.ebasta@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200603031957.04907.espame@comcast.net> I get exactly the same thing. In fact any kind of GUI movement crashes either Jack or Ardour. Asus a7n8x Deluxe 2800 amd Delta 1010lt 1gig ddr Archlinux latest (tried both as root and set_limits - there seems to be problem with pam at the moment.) >On Friday 03 March 2006 08:59, Carlos Pino wrote: >Hi there,I found an issue with ardour 0.99-1 and 0.99-2,that make >crash the app if I move the playing cursor,with the mouse, during the >reproduction of the tracks.It doesn't happens with 0.99,that works really >smooth.Also tryed with the cvs version with same results. >Anybody got the same or similar? Is there something to do to avoid >these? >My machine: >PIV 2.6 mhz,1gb ddr,terratec dmx6 fire ,running Debian Sarge. >Saludos. >Carlos. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Mar 3 23:07:11 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Mar 3 23:07:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Newer kernels: SB Live! line's capture alsa driver bug? In-Reply-To: <200603032227.35375.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> References: <200603032227.35375.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <1141445231.3042.169.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 22:27 +0100, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > Alsa version: > > apt-cache policy alsa-base It's libasound2 not alsa-base that must match the version in the kernel. apt-cache policy libasound2 Lee From steve at pro-ns.net Fri Mar 3 23:42:00 2006 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Fri Mar 3 23:42:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Quattro, SoundBlaster Live Xruns, and interface questions. Message-ID: <20060304044200.GF4023@pro-ns.net> Hello, all, I'm a new subscriber to this list, but I've been a long time linux user, even using audio for quite some time. I want to move up to "the next level", and am having problems. I tried to gather information from the list archives, but I didn't get too far, thought I'd just ask. I have 3 basic questions for now. I'll follow them with additional background information that you might need to answer the questions. 1. M-Audio Quattro, can it be made to work? I now know nobody seems to have a very high opinion of it. I am having problems using it (surprise). I'm running Fedora Core 3, with some stuff installed from CCRMA. Kernel is 2.6.11-0.3.rdt.rhfc3.ccrma, /proc/asound/version gives: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.9rc1. I used the sample Quattro asoundrc file from alsa-project.org (in a message from Patrick Shirkey from 2002), and the example arecord command lines given (like arecord -r 44100 -c 4 -f s16_le -D q4 -d 5 /home/xxx/q4.wav). I seem to still have endian problems -- playback sounds like a bunch of loud white noise unless I reduce the input level to something very low -- which I assume means I get most samples to fit in the least significant byte with zeroes elsewhere. I've read about some patches, but it seemed like they should have been already incorporated? Is there at least one person out there that has this interface work (well?) for them? If so, I'd be very interested in exchanging email with you. 2. Is a 700 MHz athlon a reasonable system for a few tracks of audio with Jackd and Ardour? I gave up on the Quattro for a while, and installed a SoundBlaster Live Value. I got it to work quite well. But I'm getting xruns all quite often from jackd (version 0.99.36) with ardour. Asside from installing the planet CCRMA kernel, I haven't begun to really try and optimize settings yet. But I'd like to know what I can reasonably expect from this older system. (As I mention below, it has "only" 192M of RAM, maybe that's a factor.) 3. Can ALSA use a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 to get 24 bit audio? Can it do four channels in and four out simultaneously? I don't have the money to spend on a better supported Pro level audio interface right now (assuming I have to give up on the Quattro). But I think I want something a bit (few bits?) better than the SB Live, so I won't be disappointed down the road at the audio work I do today. But I saw an old message that said the 24 bit converters were different than the 16 bit converters, and that they weren't supported yet. Did they become supported at some time? Thanks in advance for any replies! Here's some DETAILS that may fill in the blanks: I've been running linux for a long time; I have some Slackware 96 disks, that may have been my first linux load at home. Actually ran Novel Unixware at home before that, and have run various versions of Red Hat (4 through 9) and now Fedora. My main linux machine is much faster, but does some server things for the rest of the house (mail service, file service, DNS, etc.) that I don't think I want on the same system I'm using for audio work. I've now started to believe I should migrate all that low-priority stuff off to a lesser machine, but don't have a whole lot of spare time on my hands to make such a change... The 700MHz athalon system has only 192M ram, which might contribute to my xrun problems. It dual boots with Win98. I intend to make it my dedicated audio system. (If this proves too slow, I've been thinking of putting together a new machine to be a MythTV box, and I could probably make that a dual purpose machine, sometimes running mythtv, sometimes running audio.) As far as what to record into it, besides my son who's starting to play guitar: I have a couple of synths (Ensoniq VFX and Roland JV-1080), a few mics (best ones are two shure sm58s), a Mackie MS-1202 mixer (original, not newer VLZ), and a Behringer DDX3216 digital mixer with ADAT interface card, that I picked up when it went on blowout pricing, just after I purchased the Quattro. An audio interface that worked with linux and had an ADAT interface would be REALLY SWEET with this setup. But I don't think I can afford the RME stuff. (If there's any place I can help apply pressure to get Emu to release the details of the 1212M card, sign me up!) I also have my turntable and cassette deck hooked up so I can make CDs and MP3s of my old albums. And I have a MiniDisc recorder that I've done some "bootleg" style recordings of musicians at my church, that I then run into the computer and make CDs from as well. Up till now, for most of my recording to computer I've used a program I wrote myself (by the dates on the files, goes back to 1997!) when I couldn't find anything linux based with VU meters for recording. It is a simple, console and OSS based application, strictly 16-bit 44.1k stereo, and it is far surpassed by the stuff that's out there now. But I am used to it... I have a small script that follows recording the wav file with two passes of sox to calculate the scale value and then normalize the file -- if no scaling needs to be done, I usually assume I clipped somewhere and go back and re-record. That worked on a 100MHz pentium, so I expect I should be able to do similar things with a 700MHz athalon and current software, but I might be wrong which is why I ask. My needs right now really don't reach much past what one could do with a cassette porta-studio, or the current digital equivalents. I just have this stuff I've accumulated, and want to make it useful! My wish to go to 24 bits is based on this: my target is 16 bit CDs, and I want a few extra bits resolution so I can record low enough to not worry about clipping, and still have (pretty much) full 16 bits resolution after normalizing. So even 20 bits is probably enough, and I figure an SB Audigy 2 might not have the greatest noise floor but would probably still meet those needs. If anyone's read this far, let me know if that sounds spot-on, or misguided. I bought the Quattro after checking the Alsa soundcard matrix. But I didn't do a google search until after I had problems getting it to work. I'm thinking maybe the matrix should be edited and have that entry marked as not having the greatest success rate! Again, thanks to all of you for your time in reading this, and for any help you provide! --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Fools ignore complexity. Pragmatists suffer it. Some can avoid it. Geniuses remove it. -- Perlis's Programming Proverb #58, SIGPLAN Notices, Sept. 1982 From marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar Fri Mar 3 20:10:56 2006 From: marcospcmusica at yahoo.com.ar (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sat Mar 4 00:13:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Newer kernels: SB Live! line's capture alsa driver bug? In-Reply-To: <1141445231.3042.169.camel@mindpipe> References: <200603032227.35375.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> <1141445231.3042.169.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200603040210.56989.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> El S?bado, 4 de Marzo de 2006 05:07, Lee Revell escribi?: > On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 22:27 +0100, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > Alsa version: > > > > apt-cache policy alsa-base > > It's libasound2 not alsa-base that must match the version in the > kernel. > > apt-cache policy libasound2 > Thanks... so, I'm reporting again... with some extra info from a google search too: ----------- With these kernel and alsa versions: The SB live! line's capture works fine (it captures from both left and right channels) Linux 2.6.11-1-386 #1 Mon Apr 25 01:18:07 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux Alsa version: apt-cache policy alsa-base alsa-base: Installed: 1.0.9b-4 apt-cache policy libasound2 libasound2: Installed: 1.0.9-3 ------------------------------------------------------ Using these kernel and alsa versions: The SB live! line's capture works bad: (it captures only from the line's left channel) Linux 2.6.14-1-multimedia-386 #1 PREEMPT Sat Dec 10 16:52:12 CET 2005 i686 GNU/Linux Also with 2.6.13-1-multimedia-386 from aGNUla /DeMuDi apt-cache policy alsa-base alsa-base: Installed: 1.0.10-1 apt-cache policy libasound2 libasound2: Instalados: 1.0.10-1 ------------------------------------------------------- Here it fails too: uname -a Linux 030users 2.6.15.4-rt #1 PREEMPT Fri Feb 17 18:55:02 EET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux apt-cache policy alsa-base alsa-base: Installed: 1.0.9b-4 apt-cache policy libasound2 libasound2: Installed: 1.0.10-2 -------------------------------- Someone knows what is happening with this odd problem? ----- New Info from: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/24951 " Problem: Selection an audio input source and selecting the input monitor option gives random results. After clicking some input and output settings in the mixer, I sometimes can record from a source, but often some other sound is mixed with it. So recording cannot be used. With the alsamixergui the settings can be set a little more specific, but the same problems occur. The output does work for sounds created by programs, but selecting line-in or mic causes problems again. My soundcard is a "Creative SoundBlaster Live 1024" (SBLive), which is a CT4830 (identical to CT4832). The EMU10K1 driver is used, and either selecting ALSA or OSS has the same problems. This problem exists for some time, with all kernels and with previous Ubuntu versions. Ubuntu: 5.10 Kernel: K7 Re: Soundcard CT4832 (SB Live) has wrong input/output selections Posted by jdo at 2005-12-21 14:38:49 UTC Added info: This problem seems to be with all Debian-based distribution. The best way to test this, is to adjust the input gain and the selection of input channel, this has influence on the output (e.g. playing a MP3). The FreeSBIE and dynebolic LiveCDs do work with the CT4830/CT4832 soundcard. Re: Soundcard CT4832 (SB Live) has wrong input/output selections Posted by Ben Collins at 2005-12-21 16:14:57 UTC If possible, please upgrade to Dapper's 2.6.15-9 kernel. If you do not want to upgrade to Dapper, then you can also try the Dapper Flight 2 CD's: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/dapper/flight-2/ Let me know if this bug still exists with this kernel. Re: Soundcard CT4832 (SB Live) has wrong input/output selections Posted by jdo at 2005-12-21 18:18:04 UTC I have tested the dapper flight-2 LiveCD, and the problem still exist " -- Marcos Guglielmetti Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar) Mirrors: (www.musix.distrux.net) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) (www.k-maleon.com/musix) ___________________________________________________________ 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo http://correo.yahoo.com.ar From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Sat Mar 4 02:14:57 2006 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Sat Mar 4 02:16:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Web-based collaborative band/musicians app? In-Reply-To: <4408518A.8000201@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060303102704.GE23141@localhost> <20060303104142.GH27812@fliwatut.scifi> <4408518A.8000201@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <44093E71.7000706@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! > I'm sure you could do this entirely with Python, which would suit Trac. > Not that I'd have a clue where to start, well not much of one anyway. You could use Plone, which already has many communication-tools, and write an additional product in python for it ... (where you could in example use pd or anything else and stream with an icecast2 server ...) a little howto you can make something (Plone and communication with pd ...) is here: http://pdradio.iem.at/howto (of course not that advanced as you want it ... ;) LG Georg From fbar at footils.org Sat Mar 4 03:11:26 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Mar 4 03:11:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Quattro, SoundBlaster Live Xruns, and interface questions. In-Reply-To: <20060304044200.GF4023@pro-ns.net> References: <20060304044200.GF4023@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <20060304081126.GZ27812@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Steve Wahl hat gesagt: // Steve Wahl wrote: > 1. M-Audio Quattro, can it be made to work? No. Of course this depends on what you consider "working". Stereo sound should be no real problem, but everthing else ... My Quattro is still in view to remind of the fact, that dead machines can be hated as well. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sat Mar 4 04:18:37 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sat Mar 4 04:14:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] No More Specimen In-Reply-To: <200603032213.12028.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> References: <1140401605.16545.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1140411467.3331.11.camel@rivendell.home.local> <200603032213.12028.marcospcmusica@yahoo.com.ar> Message-ID: <44095B6D.3010805@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Marcos Guglielmetti schrieb: > > I think that you did a good job with specimen, I used it many times > Yeah, me too! Specimen is just handy it is clean, straight forward and still has the features needed for serious work with samples. It would be great, if you could keep it alive at least (no new features but some bugfixes from time to time and some "porting" to make it run/compile with recent Distros... This would raise the chances also, that someone who has the skills take over the project and thus your work could grow into the future... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFECVtt1Aecwva1SWMRAi/fAJ0TcjYFZ5L4EUduLCPLSVQHNdm7pACfRlmv MAycdTeG23GGfRPLttNNTdM= =d463 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Sat Mar 4 04:26:32 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Sat Mar 4 04:25:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: New song In-Reply-To: References: <44085972.1030804@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <44095D48.2070508@kolumbus.fi> Dana Olson wrote: > Hey, I really like it. For some reason, it reminds me of a cross > between Neil Young and Oasis. I hope that doesn't offend you, I really > love Neil Young. > Wow, that's great. I like Neil Young too, so it really doesn't offend me. In fact, I played the cover of Young's "Powderfinger" with my ex-band. > I think the cowbell sounds weird to me though, sounds a bit more like > a woodblock I guess. It is a minor complaint and it's a matter of > personal preference. Myself, I'd experiment with some plate reverb on > it and see if I could make it a little different, but again, my > preference. You did a much better mixing job than I could hope to do. > The cowbell is a little bit too loud, I agree.. > I really liked the drum kit. What was the guitar running through to > get that tone? > There are three (and sometimes four) guitars there. I used Dan Electro's Daddy-O overdrive and Cool Cat chorus in some guitars, and then there's also TAP plugins here and there. Thanks! -------------------------- Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Hey... Great work. I would have never guessed it's not a real drummer. > Thanks! I am glad to hear that it sounds like a real drummer. I tried to make it to sound like that, so it's very nice to hear that. ---------------------------------------- Q wrote: > I can't believe nobody's said it, so here goes... "NEEDS MORE COWBELL!" ;-) I heard it from my friend :-) > Not really. I liked it, it sounds okay. I agree with the earlier comment > about the drums ??? it does sound like a cohesive drum kit with a drummer. > Which kit did you use in Hydrogen? The whole song bounces along nicely. I used modified UltraAcousticKit, just replaced some sounds with drum samples I have. > Personally, I'm not keen on the reverb on the vocals but that's just me. > I like the vocal harmonies, the song seems to almost "open up" when they > come in and they add interest. > Yes, I prefer more the dry sound in vocals too, but I tested different kind of reverbs and it somehow ended up like this.. Thanks! From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sat Mar 4 04:27:14 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sat Mar 4 04:27:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] walking In-Reply-To: <20060303211456.GU27812@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060303211456.GU27812@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <44095D72.3080306@poeticstudios.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: >Walking. The grid is walking. Or as a friend put it: "An apple rolls >around the grand piano keys." > >"Grand Walker" >Total data length: 14,910,301 bytes >Playback length: 21m:08.536s >Average bitrate: 94.031524 kbps >http://footils.org/cms/show/49 > >(techinfo: Pd, Gem, fluid~, NS_piano.sf2) > >Ciao > > I like it a lot. But I would have added more reverb, maybe using convolution and an impulse response from a real piano. BTW, what have you used Gem for? chance to have the source to see the visuals, too? c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From m_nels at gmx.net Sat Mar 4 04:31:13 2006 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Sat Mar 4 04:29:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <1141426095.20235.2.camel@yo-machine> References: <1141421906.4408b75265c8c@imp5-g19.free.fr> <1141426095.20235.2.camel@yo-machine> Message-ID: <44095E61.2070004@gmx.net> lilli chiffon wrote: > Le vendredi 03 mars 2006 ? 22:38 +0100, Christian Frisson a ?crit : >>In a rather humble than chauvinistic initiative, let's say it's a common wisdom >>french people do not speak english that fluently... ,-) I'm not so sure about that. It's more obvious that the average French person's spoken English is *far* better than the average English person's spoken French! I'm English. I used to do quite well in French at school. There was only one kid in the year better than me, I think (and he'd spent a year living in France). Yet still, whenever my family visited France, almost all of the French kids spoke much better English than I could speak French. Regards Michael From seablaede at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 04:53:05 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sat Mar 4 04:50:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <44095E61.2070004@gmx.net> References: <1141421906.4408b75265c8c@imp5-g19.free.fr> <1141426095.20235.2.camel@yo-machine> <44095E61.2070004@gmx.net> Message-ID: <44096381.5070006@gmail.com> > > It's more obvious that the average French person's spoken English is *far* better than the average English person's spoken French! After spending a fair amount of my younger years travelling I came to the conclusion.. English is such a widespread language only because we Americans are to stupid or lazy(Or Both) to learn other languages so we force other countries to speak ours;) Seablade Who cant speak much of any language but english, and lives in America... Yea for proof;) From jazzride at laposte.net Sat Mar 4 06:37:43 2006 From: jazzride at laposte.net (jazzride) Date: Sat Mar 4 06:40:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <44096381.5070006@gmail.com> References: <1141421906.4408b75265c8c@imp5-g19.free.fr> <1141426095.20235.2.camel@yo-machine> <44095E61.2070004@gmx.net> <44096381.5070006@gmail.com> Message-ID: "English is such a widespread language only because we Americans are to stupid or lazy(Or Both) to learn other languages so we force other countries to speak ours;)" :) hi linux audio users :) -------------------- linux + music = international language no problem :) linux users never speak, always try to install a new soundcard, new videocard etc :) ----------------- euh.... sorry for my english ? LOL ----------- Hi i'm looking for a new computer for agnula + studio to go + delta audio (24/96 then 1010) what do you think about these 2 models ? [never had problems with HP, always have a 229.fr c?l?ron 2,2GHZ HP but becomes to be... "old " :-( Agnula + Studio To Go works perfectly with all Compaq/HP i bought... ] ---------------- 1? micro-ordinateur HP Pavilion w5229.fr Processeur AMD Athlon 64 3200+ M?moire vive : 512 Mo DDR. (+512 of course) Disque dur : 160 Go Serial ATA 7200 tr/mn(*). Emplacement pour disque dur amovible (disponible en option). (+ a second HD) Affichage : carte graphique PCI Express nvidia Geforce 6200 avec jusqu'? 256 Mo de m?moire vid?o (dont 64 Mo d?di?e) avec sortie TV. Equipement multim?dia : graveur de DVD+/-RW double couche (8,5 Go) ; lecteur de cartes m?moire 9 en 1 (formats Compact Flash, SmartMedia, Memory Stick...). Carte Tuner TV : Hybride (analogique et TNT) pour regarder la t?l?vision sur votre PC. A l'aide de la t?l?commande et du logiciel Home Theater, exploiter facilement vos photos, vid?o et musique. Communication : Port r?seau 10/100 Mb/s. Connecteurs d'extensions libres : 1 parall?le ; 2 PCI ; 6 ports USB 2 dont 2 accessibles en fa?ade ; 1 port IEEE FireWire, clavier et souris PS2. (problem : it's an AMD and not Intel based...) ------------- 2? HP m7325.fr MEDIA CENTER Processeur Intel Pentium 4 517 ? 2,93 GHz M?moire vive / extensible ? 512 Mo DDR2 / - Disque dur 160 Go Graveur DVD?RW double couche Processeur graphique Int?gr?, ATI RadeOn XPress 200 (jusqu'? 256 Mo partag?s) Carte modem / r?seau / Wi-Fi non / oui / non Lecteur de carte m?moire CF I et II, Md, SD, MMC, MS (+Pro), SM, xD Tuner TV non Carte son Int?gr?e Haut-parleurs Non fournis Ports USB 2.0 / FireWire 6 (dont 2 en fa?ade) / 2 (dont 1 en fa?ade) Clavier / souris / t?l?commande Filaire / filaire / oui Connecteur(s) interne(s) libre(s) 2 PCI, 1 PCIe -------------------- 3? I know a XEON etc based + RAID HD = better but it's too expensive for me :) [ and i'm not a professional musician !) --------------- regards from.. France Pascal From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Sat Mar 4 07:22:21 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (lilli chiffon) Date: Sat Mar 4 07:22:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: References: <1141421906.4408b75265c8c@imp5-g19.free.fr> <1141426095.20235.2.camel@yo-machine> <44095E61.2070004@gmx.net> <44096381.5070006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141474941.10796.9.camel@yo-machine> Le samedi 04 mars 2006 ? 12:37 +0100, jazzride a ?crit : > "English is such a widespread language only because we Americans are to > stupid or lazy(Or Both) to learn other languages so we force other > countries to speak ours;)" > > > :) hi linux audio users :) > > -------------------- > linux + music = international language no problem :) I agree with you > linux users never speak, always try to install a new soundcard, new > videocard etc :) I agree with you twice > ----------------- > euh.... > sorry for my english ? > LOL > ----------- > Hi > i'm looking for a new computer for agnula + studio to go + delta audio > (24/96 then 1010) > > what do you think about these 2 models ? [never had problems with HP, > always have a 229.fr c?l?ron 2,2GHZ HP but becomes to be... "old " :-( > Agnula + Studio To Go works perfectly with all Compaq/HP i bought... ] > > ---------------- > 1? micro-ordinateur HP Pavilion w5229.fr > Processeur AMD Athlon 64 3200+ > M?moire vive : 512 Mo DDR. (+512 of course) > Disque dur : 160 Go Serial ATA 7200 tr/mn(*). Emplacement pour disque > dur amovible (disponible en option). (+ a second HD) > Affichage : carte graphique PCI Express nvidia Geforce 6200 avec jusqu'? > 256 Mo de m?moire vid?o (dont 64 Mo d?di?e) avec sortie TV. > Equipement multim?dia : graveur de DVD+/-RW double couche (8,5 Go) ; > lecteur de cartes m?moire 9 en 1 (formats Compact Flash, SmartMedia, > Memory Stick...). > Carte Tuner TV : Hybride (analogique et TNT) pour regarder la t?l?vision > sur votre PC. A l'aide de la t?l?commande et du logiciel Home Theater, > exploiter facilement vos photos, vid?o et musique. > Communication : Port r?seau 10/100 Mb/s. > Connecteurs d'extensions libres : 1 parall?le ; 2 PCI ; 6 ports USB 2 > dont 2 accessibles en fa?ade ; 1 port IEEE FireWire, clavier et souris PS2. > > (problem : it's an AMD and not Intel based...) > ------------- > 2? HP m7325.fr MEDIA CENTER > Processeur Intel Pentium 4 517 ? 2,93 GHz > M?moire vive / extensible ? 512 Mo DDR2 / - > Disque dur 160 Go > Graveur DVD?RW double couche > Processeur graphique Int?gr?, ATI RadeOn XPress 200 (jusqu'? 256 Mo > partag?s) > Carte modem / r?seau / Wi-Fi non / oui / non > Lecteur de carte m?moire CF I et II, Md, SD, MMC, MS (+Pro), SM, xD > Tuner TV non > Carte son Int?gr?e > Haut-parleurs Non fournis > Ports USB 2.0 / FireWire 6 (dont 2 en fa?ade) / 2 (dont 1 en fa?ade) > Clavier / souris / t?l?commande Filaire / filaire / oui > Connecteur(s) interne(s) libre(s) 2 PCI, 1 PCIe > -------------------- > How much ? I mean why don't you go in Montgallet street (Paris) you can have the same kind of stuff for cheaper (maybe you are living far from Paris) > 3? > I know a XEON etc based + RAID HD = better but it's too expensive for me > :) [ and i'm not a professional musician !) > > --------------- > regards from.. France > Pascal > Best regard from France too. P'tit Louis. From ivalladt at punkass.com Fri Mar 3 06:27:25 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Sat Mar 4 07:23:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Web-based collaborative band/musicians app? In-Reply-To: <20060303104142.GH27812@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060303102704.GE23141@localhost> <20060303104142.GH27812@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060303112725.GB2503@localhost.localdomain> Frank Barknecht escribe: > But it would be an interesting tool to develop. A good starting point > IMO would be Trac [1] which is a flexible webtool for managing > (software) projects. I'd be very glad helping in such a project up to my knowledge! Cordially, Ismael -- m?, myself et moi http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ From dancer at netfort.gr.jp Sat Mar 4 07:40:37 2006 From: dancer at netfort.gr.jp (Junichi Uekawa) Date: Sat Mar 4 07:40:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: info about demudi In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30602241002p64848c2ble5e4d4e7c735f990@mail.gmail.com> References: <43FEEB2F.1060009@rumoridifondo.com> <20060224151620.GA13908@emillo.net> <1b6a07c30602241002p64848c2ble5e4d4e7c735f990@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <874q2etmbe.dancerj%dancer@netfort.gr.jp> Hi, I'm only reading this list very infrequently, > That is great news, for sure! > > >From the list of apps that I've collected, these don't appear to be in > debian yet: > -aeolus > -ceres > -ceres3 > -dssi-vst > -freecycle > -gmorgan > -hexter > -jdelay > -kaconnect > -linuxsampler > -mx44 > -om > -omins > -qamix > -qarecord > -qmidiarp > -qmidicontrol > -qmidiroute > -qsampler > -smack > -vcf-plugins > -xsynth-dssi But thanks for a list of potential packages to work on for Debian :) Cc'ing this mail to debian-multimedia, to see if some of these packages are ready for inclusion. regards, junichi -- dancer@{debian.org,netfort.gr.jp} Debian Project From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Mar 4 08:30:30 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Mar 4 08:29:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <44096381.5070006@gmail.com> References: <1141421906.4408b75265c8c@imp5-g19.free.fr> <1141426095.20235.2.camel@yo-machine> <44095E61.2070004@gmx.net> <44096381.5070006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060304133030.1c385b3c@localhost> On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 04:53:05 -0500 Thomas Vecchione wrote: > > > > It's more obvious that the average French person's spoken English is *far* better than the average English person's spoken French! > > > After spending a fair amount of my younger years travelling I came to > the conclusion.. > > English is such a widespread language only because we Americans are to > stupid or lazy(Or Both) to learn other languages so we force other > countries to speak ours;) > > Seablade > > > Who cant speak much of any language but english, and lives in America... > Yea for proof;) Sadly, my experience is that the average French person (or any other national) has better spoken English than the average Briton :( -- F - Ya, Ich bin Englander. From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sat Mar 4 08:48:15 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Sat Mar 4 08:41:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: info about demudi In-Reply-To: <874q2etmbe.dancerj%dancer@netfort.gr.jp> References: <43FEEB2F.1060009@rumoridifondo.com> <20060224151620.GA13908@emillo.net> <1b6a07c30602241002p64848c2ble5e4d4e7c735f990@mail.gmail.com> <874q2etmbe.dancerj%dancer@netfort.gr.jp> Message-ID: <20060304134815.GA4746@linux-1> On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 09:40:37PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > > > From the list of apps that I've collected, these don't appear to be in > > > > debian yet: > > -aeolus > > ... > But thanks for a list of potential packages to work on for Debian :) > Cc'ing this mail to debian-multimedia, to see if some of these > packages are ready for inclusion. As to Aeolus, the current official release isn't really fit for binary release as a working installation requires installing things in the user's home directory. In the next release (to be expected just before LAC2006), this will be taken care of. -- FA From gkjoyce at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 08:56:27 2006 From: gkjoyce at gmail.com (Greg) Date: Sat Mar 4 08:56:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] slightly OT: supercomputer music Message-ID: does anyone know of instances of big computing power going into making music? Any recordings? Just one of those questions rolling around the head. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Mar 4 08:57:13 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Mar 4 08:57:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Quattro, SoundBlaster Live Xruns, and interface questions. In-Reply-To: <20060304044200.GF4023@pro-ns.net> References: <20060304044200.GF4023@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <44099CB9.4060804@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Steve Wahl wrote: > 2. Is a 700 MHz athlon a reasonable system for a few tracks of audio > with Jackd and Ardour? Yes, you need a minimum of 256M RAM, double preferably. Ardour should run quite happily on this. cheers, tim hall /|\ From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Mar 4 09:18:11 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Mar 4 09:18:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <44095E61.2070004@gmx.net> References: <1141421906.4408b75265c8c@imp5-g19.free.fr> <1141426095.20235.2.camel@yo-machine> <44095E61.2070004@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4409A1A3.6040001@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Michael T D Nelson wrote: > lilli chiffon wrote: > >> Le vendredi 03 mars 2006 ? 22:38 +0100, Christian Frisson a ?crit : >> >>> In a rather humble than chauvinistic initiative, let's say it's a >>> common wisdom >>> french people do not speak english that fluently... ,-) > > > I'm not so sure about that. > > It's more obvious that the average French person's spoken English is > *far* better than the average English person's spoken French! > > I'm English. I used to do quite well in French at school. There was only > one kid in the year better than me, I think (and he'd spent a year > living in France). > > Yet still, whenever my family visited France, almost all of the French > kids spoke much better English than I could speak French. This is so embarrassingly true. English is a strange language, not only does it have loads of irregular verbs, it also lacks a proper future tense and often relies on word-order and auxiliary verbs to make sense. English language, like English law, doesn't have a written constitution, in contrast to French, especially. I suppose it is the fact that you can 'get away' with all sorts of different sentence constructions and imported phrases that makes it a good lingua franca. In terms of comprehensibility, it is sometimes necessary to put extra effort into the ordering of actions and making sure that it is clear which adjectives apply to which objects. Take care when using 'not' and 'and' in the same sentence, for example. With most posters on this list, I forget it's not the first language for most of you. Respect, tim hall /|\ From terakuma at imbris.net Sat Mar 4 09:34:58 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Sat Mar 4 09:35:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <20060304132959.9FAFF92D7DD@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060304132959.9FAFF92D7DD@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603040634580590.0057D8AA@mail.imbris.net> >English is such a widespread language only because we Americans are to >stupid or lazy(Or Both) to learn other languages so we force other >countries to speak ours;) Well said - and what a pity. (Doubtless why so many Americans are up in arms about becoming a bilingual country.) I have enough trouble trying to follow the technical jargon here - I can't even imagine trying to follow it in another language. Hat's off to all our non-'English' friends who do this every day. (I feel very dumb. :( ) - Maluvia From terakuma at imbris.net Sat Mar 4 09:51:11 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Sat Mar 4 09:51:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki References: <20060304132959.9FAFF92D7DD@music.columbia.edu> <200603040634580590.0057D8AA@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <200603040651110480.0066B19A@mail.imbris.net> >Hat's off to all our non-'English' friends who do this every day. Ha - case in point: meant hats off not hat's off. I'm pitiful even in my own language. (Now feeling even dumber.) -M From terakuma at imbris.net Sat Mar 4 10:00:19 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Sat Mar 4 10:00:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: slightly OT: supercomputer music In-Reply-To: <20060201155315.104F74647C2@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060201155315.104F74647C2@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603040700190970.006F105C@mail.imbris.net> >does anyone know of instances of big computing power going into making >music? Any recordings? Just one of those questions rolling around >the head. Don't they do this on the soundtracks for many big-budget film productions? I remember a fascinating special feature about how they did the sound effects on one of those animated films (I think it was 'Road to ElDorado') I believe they use a number of clusters and what not - and I'll bet you anything at least some of them are running Linux. -M From pinojazz at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 10:08:24 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sat Mar 4 10:08:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour crash when move the playing cursor In-Reply-To: <200603031957.04907.espame@comcast.net> References: <44087605.6010701@gmail.com> <200603031949.36257.ebasta@comcast.net> <200603031957.04907.espame@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4409AD68.8060205@gmail.com> E wrote: >I get exactly the same thing. In fact any kind of GUI movement crashes either >Jack or Ardour. > >Asus a7n8x Deluxe 2800 amd >Delta 1010lt >1gig ddr >Archlinux latest >(tried both as root and set_limits - there seems to be problem with pam at the >moment.) > > > I have not pam (don't know enougth about it yet),but realtime lsm with 2.6.15.5rt18. >>On Friday 03 March 2006 08:59, Carlos Pino wrote: >>Hi there,I found an issue with ardour 0.99-1 and 0.99-2,that make >>crash the app if I move the playing cursor,with the mouse, during the >> >> > >reproduction of the tracks.It doesn't happens with 0.99,that works really > > >>smooth.Also tryed with the cvs version with same results. >>Anybody got the same or similar? Is there something to do to avoid >>these? >> >> > > > >>My machine: >>PIV 2.6 mhz,1gb ddr,terratec dmx6 fire ,running Debian Sarge. >> >> > > > >>Saludos. >>Carlos. >> >> > > > From hans at fugal.net Sat Mar 4 10:16:17 2006 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Sat Mar 4 10:16:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <200603040634580590.0057D8AA@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060304132959.9FAFF92D7DD@music.columbia.edu> <200603040634580590.0057D8AA@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <20060304151617.GB24149@falcon.fugal.net> On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 at 06:34 -0800, Maluvia wrote: > >English is such a widespread language only because we Americans are to > >stupid or lazy(Or Both) to learn other languages so we force other > >countries to speak ours;) > > Well said - and what a pity. > (Doubtless why so many Americans are up in arms about becoming a bilingual > country.) I'm jumping in the middle of thing (and will be jumping promptly right out), but it seems to me that it's more likely that it's because PEOPLE are stupid/lazy, and Americans happen to be people. For whatever historical reasons, English ended up at the top of the heap (mostly due to arms and money, if I understand it correctly, and starting with British Imperialism, but my knowledge of this history is vague). So people learn English and people who have English as a native language get a free ride, and the process is self-sustaining for the most part as long as English is a useful common language. Americans aren't forcing people to use English globally. Don't hate us because we get a free ride. :-) If there's to be a common language, there's always going to be the native speakers that get the free ride, whatever it is. (Unless you want to try Esperanto again) If English-speaking countries became insignificant AND there was a drop-in alternative waiting in the wings (maybe French? Isn't that the runner-up?), then we might see a change. > I have enough trouble trying to follow the technical jargon here - I can't > even imagine trying to follow it in another language. Heh, me too. For me mostly it's that other universal language called math. I'm bilingual, btw. -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060304/382a835e/attachment-0001.bin From free at agnula.org Sat Mar 4 10:19:31 2006 From: free at agnula.org (Free Ekanayaka) Date: Sat Mar 4 10:17:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: info about demudi In-Reply-To: <874q2etmbe.dancerj%dancer@netfort.gr.jp> (Junichi Uekawa's message of "Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:40:37 +0900") References: <43FEEB2F.1060009@rumoridifondo.com> <20060224151620.GA13908@emillo.net> <1b6a07c30602241002p64848c2ble5e4d4e7c735f990@mail.gmail.com> <874q2etmbe.dancerj%dancer@netfort.gr.jp> Message-ID: <87d5h2teyk.fsf@miu-ft.org> Hi all, |--==> Junichi Uekawa writes: JU> Hi, JU> I'm only reading this list very infrequently, >>That is great news, for sure! >> >>>From the list of apps that I've collected, these don't appear to be in >>debian yet: Some of them are distribuited outside Debian: >>-dssi-vst >>-gmorgan >>-linuxsampler >>-qsampler deb http://archive.64studio.com/ custom main >>-freecycle deb http://piem.org/debian i386/ JU> Cc'ing this mail to debian-multimedia, to see if some of these JU> packages are ready for inclusion. With some work I think the could all be uploaded the official repository, except perhaps linuxsampler, whose license is problematic. Cheers, Free From terakuma at imbris.net Sat Mar 4 10:44:06 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Sat Mar 4 10:44:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <20060304151630.8169E93295F@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060304151630.8169E93295F@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603040744060780.00972708@mail.imbris.net> >If there's to be a common language, >there's always going to be the native speakers that get the free ride, >whatever it is. Touché But Americans (and English) do seem to be notoriously reluctant to learn other languages. I mean - we can't even wrap our heads around the metric system. >If English-speaking countries became insignificant AND there was a >drop-in alternative waiting in the wings (maybe French? Isn't that the >runner-up?), then we might see a change. Well, there's a reason they call it the linuga-franca. French once was, and may yet be again. If the dollar continues its decline in relation to the euro, and international culture starts becoming more Eurocentric - as seems very likely right now - we may indeed see another language replace English. Then we Americans will really have to buck-up, swallow our pride, and join the rest of the multilingual world. (Let's just hope it does not end up being Chinese!) - Maluvia From jazzride at laposte.net Sat Mar 4 12:15:32 2006 From: jazzride at laposte.net (jazzride) Date: Sat Mar 4 12:16:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux + dvd : professional DAW under Linux Message-ID: Hi Linux + DVD : "Studio d'enregistrement professionnel sous Linux" - Ardour (9 pages) - Interview :G. Laurent/Rosegarden - MusicPD, - Dynebolic - Mediainlinux 4-RC5 http://www.lpmagazine.org/fr/modules/news/ :) found in France :) From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Mar 4 12:54:24 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Mar 4 12:54:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <20060304151617.GB24149@falcon.fugal.net> References: <20060304132959.9FAFF92D7DD@music.columbia.edu> <200603040634580590.0057D8AA@mail.imbris.net> <20060304151617.GB24149@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <4409D450.70701@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Hans Fugal wrote: > If English-speaking countries became insignificant AND there was a > drop-in alternative waiting in the wings (maybe French? Isn't that the > runner-up?), then we might see a change. It would be more likely to be Spanish. cheers, tim hall /|\ From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sat Mar 4 13:25:51 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sat Mar 4 13:28:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting story for BCR2000 owners In-Reply-To: <20060303155558.GA19176@slinkp.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0602280848r2da8f100h40146c5f8f95aa79@mail.gmail.com> <1141154533.5860.25.camel@mindpipe> <200603010031.26896.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <1141282400.3088.6.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060302095344.2ac9463d.jh@brainiac.com> <440707C4.9060000@expressmart.com> <20060302101534.6b09dc73.jh@brainiac.com> <1141346348.18970.14.camel@eviltwin> <20060303155558.GA19176@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <1141496751.15925.2.camel@eviltwin> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 10:55 -0500, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 06:39:08PM -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > > All of the bad mouthing of Behringer reminds me of the stuff they > > used to say about Peavey 30 years ago. That's turned around quite a > > bit. They make some pretty damn good stuff for live use. > > Well, the specifics are different. > The main complaint I recall about Peavey was "sounds like crap". > Was anybody accusing Peavey of ripping off other brands' designs? > And at least since the early eighties, Peavey's had a reputation for > making very reliable gear, unlike Behringer. > Yeah, they were accused of ripping off everybody. Since Meridian Mississippi is just up the road from me I got hear a lot of the BS. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From dana at ubuntustudio.com Sat Mar 4 14:51:32 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Sat Mar 4 14:51:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: info about demudi In-Reply-To: <87d5h2teyk.fsf@miu-ft.org> References: <43FEEB2F.1060009@rumoridifondo.com> <20060224151620.GA13908@emillo.net> <1b6a07c30602241002p64848c2ble5e4d4e7c735f990@mail.gmail.com> <874q2etmbe.dancerj%dancer@netfort.gr.jp> <87d5h2teyk.fsf@miu-ft.org> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30603041151g65662a05t8a5fd0c86916bc5e@mail.gmail.com> On 3/4/06, Free Ekanayaka wrote: > Hi all, > > |--==> Junichi Uekawa writes: > > JU> Hi, > JU> I'm only reading this list very infrequently, > > >>That is great news, for sure! > >> > >>>From the list of apps that I've collected, these don't appear to be in > >>debian yet: > > Some of them are distribuited outside Debian: > > >>-dssi-vst > >>-gmorgan > >>-linuxsampler > >>-qsampler > > deb http://archive.64studio.com/ custom main > > >>-freecycle > > deb http://piem.org/debian i386/ > > JU> Cc'ing this mail to debian-multimedia, to see if some of these > JU> packages are ready for inclusion. > > With some work I think the could all be uploaded the official > repository, except perhaps linuxsampler, whose license is problematic. I have packaged these for Ubuntu Dapper. If someone wants to take them and modify them for Debian, that would be awesome. KAConnect QAMix QARecord QMidiArp QMidiControl QMidiRoute Om Mx44 Jdelay VCF LADSAP Plugins gmorgan Qsampler Omins A couple of them are based on packages by others (Mx44, for example, is based on Willem van Engen's package), but I had to make a lot of modifications to have them included into Ubuntu. Dana From lee at rockingtiger.com Sat Mar 4 16:37:45 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Sat Mar 4 16:37:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] No More Specimen Message-ID: <30000470.3401141508265045.JavaMail.root@mugen> ----- Hartmut Noack wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Marcos Guglielmetti schrieb: > > > > > I think that you did a good job with specimen, I used it many times > > > > Yeah, me too! Specimen is just handy it is clean, straight forward > and > still has the features needed for serious work with samples. It would > be > great, if you could keep it alive at least (no new features but some > bugfixes from time to time and some "porting" to make it run/compile > with recent Distros... > > This would raise the chances also, that someone who has the skills > take > over the project and thus your work could grow into the future... Most definitely. It's still in Debian and has a maintainer[1]. I think it should sit around and wait for someone to take over the source code. -lee [1]http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?maint=macan@debian.org;dist=stable From steffl at bigfoot.com Sat Mar 4 18:13:26 2006 From: steffl at bigfoot.com (Erik Steffl) Date: Sat Mar 4 18:13:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <200603040744060780.00972708@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060304151630.8169E93295F@music.columbia.edu> <200603040744060780.00972708@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <440A1F16.9020109@bigfoot.com> Maluvia wrote: ... > Well, there's a reason they call it the linuga-franca. > French once was, and may yet be again. nitpicking: don't think 'franca' stands for french, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingua_franca (I'm not 100% sure whether you were implying franca stands for french or simply that franch was lingua franca once) erik From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Sat Mar 4 18:57:19 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (baldobe) Date: Sat Mar 4 18:57:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, needtosystem reset. In-Reply-To: <200603032102.59012.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <3178614.post@talk.nabble.com> <1141215413.10456.3.camel@yo-machine> <004a01c63d59$54e56020$0501a8c0@lappie> <1141237027.11101.7.camel@yo-machine> <004c01c63d66$ae45b400$0501a8c0@lappie> <200603012043.34089.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200603012139.49633.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <009a01c63ee9$d50fea90$0501a8c0@lappie> <200603032102.59012.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <3244092.post@talk.nabble.com> OK problem solved by removing ESI Julia Pro Soundcard and inserting ESI Julia pro. Rosegarden now works in all my distros. Lets close this topic now and move on to the next problem. Many thanks to everyone that helped. Bal -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Rosegarden4-Freezes-my-machine%2Cneed-to-system-reset.-t1204043.html#a3244092 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From lanas at securenet.net Sat Mar 4 19:10:49 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sat Mar 4 19:11:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <200603040744060780.00972708@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060304151630.8169E93295F@music.columbia.edu> <200603040744060780.00972708@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <20060304191049.2abec149@mistral.stie> On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 07:44:06 -0800 "Maluvia" wrote: Hi there, > But Americans (and English) do seem to be notoriously reluctant to > learn other languages.I mean - we can't even wrap our heads around > the metric system. Coincidently, amazon.com U.K. has moved their support centre from England to Ireland, as Irish have a higher percentage of knowing other languages and in the context of European markets, Amazon.com found it a nec3essary move (see The Register and/or Slashdot). > If the dollar continues its decline in relation to the euro, and > international culture starts becoming more Eurocentric - as seems very > likely right now - we may indeed see another language replace English. I've lived in Europa for four years and there's more culture there than in America, that's one thing for sure. People in general like to know about things, they have interests, while in America only some do. As for international culture, this is primarily backed up by money and the enormous presence of American movies in theatres all around the world, be them bad (a lot), average (most), or good (very few). But as we've seen last year, UNESCO has voted a law to encourage countries to produce their own films (this is not a problem in france by the way, and that problem was overcomed in Spain in the last years) and to show them in their theatres. Two countries, out of 100-something countries has opposed that motion: the U.S.A. and Israel. Go figure. OK, back to MAO. Very nice site, looks quite good. The documentation seems simple and to-the-point. "... il parait que Windows plantouille un peu ? la longue." He he.. funny ;-) From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Mar 4 19:39:35 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Mar 4 19:39:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <20060304191049.2abec149@mistral.stie> References: <20060304151630.8169E93295F@music.columbia.edu> <200603040744060780.00972708@mail.imbris.net> <20060304191049.2abec149@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <1141519175.14714.25.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-03-04 at 19:10 -0500, lanas wrote: > I've lived in Europa for four years and there's more culture there > than in America, that's one thing for sure. People in general like to > know about things, they have interests, while in America only some > do. I don't know what part of America you live in, but there's TONS of culture where I am. Maybe you didn't get into the city enough. Lee From terakuma at imbris.net Sat Mar 4 19:39:48 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Sat Mar 4 19:40:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <20060304235735.758149410C2@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060304235735.758149410C2@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603041639480580.0281ABCA@mail.imbris.net> -> nitpicking: don't think 'franca' stands for french, see >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingua_franca (I'm not 100% sure whether >you were implying franca stands for french or simply that franch was >lingua franca once) Actually, I did mean both, as I knew the franca part had something to do with the Franks which had to do with Gaul which includes much of modern-day France. I actually thought that's where the term came from. Merci beaucoup - I stand corrected. (Self-esteem about bottomed-out for the day.) :) - M From seablaede at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 22:27:06 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sat Mar 4 22:24:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <1141519175.14714.25.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060304151630.8169E93295F@music.columbia.edu> <200603040744060780.00972708@mail.imbris.net> <20060304191049.2abec149@mistral.stie> <1141519175.14714.25.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <440A5A8A.70109@gmail.com> > I don't know what part of America you live in, but there's TONS of > culture where I am. Maybe you didn't get into the city enough. > Just for the sake of sake of clarity, I will define my definition of culture for this message as Individual Culture, or culture that identifies you from the rest. Unfortunatly it is actually very little comparitively and fading fast. I currently line in a city, and have toured to most cities as part of my work(Musical Theater Engineer, Touring shows pay well). I have also spent a fair amount of time touring europe on occasion, and have to agree, there was much more culture there than I had ever seen in America. I also have seen what little culture is in america that is individualistic is fading fast anbd being replaced by large corporations, chain restaurants snuffing out the local flavor of restaurant and the like. Also though America does tend to fight learning other languages(I wont speak for Britain). Just take how much effort is put into teaching a second language in school. Most countries teach at least two languages from the start, but in america how many people remember a fraction of what they had to learn to graduate 5 years later? We are at best forced to take 4 semesters of it here, but 24-32 semesters of english. the amount of difference is startling. Seablade From puredata at 11h11.com Sat Mar 4 23:10:35 2006 From: puredata at 11h11.com (patrick) Date: Sat Mar 4 23:10:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] http://download.linuxsampler.org/packages/debian/ Message-ID: <440A64BB.7040401@11h11.com> hi all, anybody have a debian package for linuxsampler. not anymore on download.linuxsampler.org? pat From torbenh at gmx.de Sat Mar 4 23:06:22 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Sat Mar 4 23:11:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Web-based collaborative band/musicians app? In-Reply-To: <161320dd0603030944y6232a2a4t313d45a7c2506a1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060303170801.GB19176@slinkp.com> <20060303173211.2086.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> <161320dd0603030944y6232a2a4t313d45a7c2506a1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060305040622.GA7972@mobilat> On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 02:44:43AM +0900, hard off wrote: > no, i mean like actual jamming..in realtime. > > still science fiction, yeah? i think it must be getting closer > though. i have had some pretty good realtime phone conversations. > don't get much lag over the phone line. > > of course sending actual audio data would be crazy, cos there's not > even very good live audio streaming available yet....but simple > control data must be possible, right? ninjam is an approach to transport audio... http://www.ninjam.com there is a jackified client here: http://galan.sf.net/ninjam-with-jack-0.02.tar.bz2 and some amd64 patches can be found here: http://www.cockos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159 there is a jacked client here: i doubt, that its possible, to transport control data in realtime, so i think its ok to do it for audio with exactly one bar of latency. the one bar latency makes everything appear in time. while this is quite complicated for real instrument jamming (requires some skill from the player) in my opinion its perfect for editing sequencer loops in a colaboration. the transmitted audio data is ogg compressed, so every client needs to record his own audio to wav and everything would need to be merged again. (there is no software to do that yet...) > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Mar 4 23:11:35 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Mar 4 23:11:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <440A5A8A.70109@gmail.com> References: <20060304151630.8169E93295F@music.columbia.edu> <200603040744060780.00972708@mail.imbris.net> <20060304191049.2abec149@mistral.stie> <1141519175.14714.25.camel@mindpipe> <440A5A8A.70109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141531895.14714.44.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-03-04 at 22:27 -0500, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > I also have seen what little culture is in america that is > individualistic is fading fast anbd being replaced by large > corporations, chain restaurants snuffing out the local flavor of > restaurant and the like. > I agree for the most part, but there are plenty of places in America that aren't like this. My city has 1000 mom and pop restaurants for every chain outlet, and I used to walk by the spot where Thomas Paine printed "Common Sense" every day on my way to work. Lee From dana at ubuntustudio.com Sat Mar 4 23:27:09 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Sat Mar 4 23:27:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] http://download.linuxsampler.org/packages/debian/ In-Reply-To: <440A64BB.7040401@11h11.com> References: <440A64BB.7040401@11h11.com> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30603042027u4297fda7tc61be3f4eddd2ec8@mail.gmail.com> On 3/4/06, patrick wrote: > hi all, > > anybody have a debian package for linuxsampler. > not anymore on download.linuxsampler.org? > > pat > > You could probably get the version in REVU for Dapper and just compile it for Debian. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1976 Dana From florin at andrei.myip.org Sun Mar 5 01:24:21 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sun Mar 5 01:24:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] slightly OT: supercomputer music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1141539861.3100.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Sat, 2006-03-04 at 08:56 -0500, Greg wrote: > does anyone know of instances of big computing power going into making > music? Any recordings? Just one of those questions rolling around > the head. Why would you need a lot of CPU power for? This thing... http://www.hartmann-music.com/home/ ...is only using the power of one normal CPU and it already makes very unusual and interesting sounds. I'm not bashing the idea, I'm just saying - find out why you would need a lot of processing power to generate music and you'll probably have your question answered. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From rzewnickie at rfa.org Sun Mar 5 01:30:35 2006 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Sun Mar 5 01:30:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: References: <20060303013329.92327.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060305063035.GA31732@rfa.org> On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 12:39:42PM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > Being completely ignorant about smack I don't know if > > it sequences but if you do I'd encourage not doing it > > by pattern interface. Use the percussion staff. It's > > so much easier than pattern interfaces and if it did > > realtime playback upon note input anyone could learn > > to read the percussion staff in about 10 minutes. OK, > > maybe five minutes. > > > > Doesn't do sequencing ;-) > > > And if smack doesn't do sequencing then how about > > something rare like good documentation. I'd love to > > study synthesis I just haven't had the time to do it. > > > > good idea... documentation.... don't have any of that at the moment.... What about your thesis paper? -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Linux Audio Developer and Sysadmin Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From florin at andrei.myip.org Sun Mar 5 01:30:55 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sun Mar 5 01:31:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DVD-Audio In-Reply-To: <20060303191631.GC4963@linux-1> References: <200603021518020520.024DE64E@mail.imbris.net> <20060303182036.A61784068@joseph.doink.com> <20060303191631.GC4963@linux-1> Message-ID: <1141540255.3100.8.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 20:16 +0100, fons adriaensen wrote: > DVD-A format is the only 'mainstream' one allowing musicians > and composers to create their own multichannel recordings. Well, you can always create a DVD-video with a dummy static image as the video track and your 5.1 multichannel songs as the audio track. It's gonna work on all DVD players out there. You can create a chapter for each song, with a nice menu to facilitate browsing, etc. Since the video track is static, the MPEG2 encoder will probably compress the hell out of it, so you'll have a lot of space, several hours probably. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From rzewnickie at rfa.org Sun Mar 5 01:58:18 2006 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Sun Mar 5 01:58:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] questions re: 2.6.15 kernel In-Reply-To: <20060303182420.GT27812@fliwatut.scifi> References: <44084EA3.1090907@woh.rr.com> <20060303182420.GT27812@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060305065818.GB31732@rfa.org> On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 07:24:20PM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Dave Phillips hat gesagt: // Dave Phillips wrote: > > > I retrieved the sources for the Linux kernel 2.6.15 (Debian's, not a > > Demudi kernel) and successfully built it. However, before I install it I > > need to know a few things. > ... > > Second, do I need to compile anything other than ALSA for audio/MIDI > > USB support ? > > Oh, and I forgot: Make sure you compile one of the newer releases of > 2.6.15, as USB audio was broken in the first one(s). > > Ciao If you go the pam route and need pam debs for sarge: ftp://ftp.techweb.rfa.org/debrfa/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/ Not sure if they would work for etch or not. You might have to grab the source package (also on techweb) and rebuild it. (disclaimer ... these aren't official packages in any way, just what we're using at are-fa for our rivendell deployment) -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Linux Audio Developer and Sysadmin Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From rzewnickie at rfa.org Sun Mar 5 02:11:38 2006 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Sun Mar 5 02:11:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT on LAU In-Reply-To: <200603030741080990.007535DD@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060303093424.03A108EF6B6@music.columbia.edu> <200603030741080990.007535DD@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <20060305071138.GC31732@rfa.org> On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 07:41:08AM -0800, Maluvia wrote: > There doesn't seem to be a place for more casual, less technically-focused > discussion - and doubtless that's precisely as intended. > Perhaps I can create a forum at linuxaudyssey which can serve as an LAU > refugee camp where discussions of a more general nature can take place > (even discussions about the spiritual aspects of music :) ) - kind of like > a pub you go to after work - "A place where OT is always On-Topic" :D There is the linart list. I've thought throughout reading this thread that much of the discussion might be appropriate there. It is currently a very very quiet list. I don't even remember the address. But, I know a bunch of the people on this list are subscribed there. If I remember correctly, discussions about the creative (and perhaps spirtual) were welcome there. It might just be possible to make that the warmer, friendlier, less technically bombastic place you're seeking. Anyone remember the address? (note, I don't mean to say this thread doesn't belong on LAU. Personally I think it's fine here. Just offerring an alternative, in case Maluvia and others feel a need.) -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Linux Audio Developer and Sysadmin Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From rzewnickie at rfa.org Sun Mar 5 02:16:08 2006 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Sun Mar 5 02:16:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Quiet PC Components? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060305071608.GD31732@rfa.org> On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 06:22:23PM +0200, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > > I'm wearing ear plugs when I use my computer! Doesn't work for those of us with bad tinnitus, unfortunately. :`( Of course, with this problem some of that PC noise just blends in ... -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Linux Audio Developer and Sysadmin Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 02:30:14 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Mar 5 02:30:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: slightly OT: supercomputer music In-Reply-To: <1141539861.3100.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <1141539861.3100.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: On 3/5/06, Florin Andrei wrote: > On Sat, 2006-03-04 at 08:56 -0500, Greg wrote: > > does anyone know of instances of big computing power going into making > > music? Any recordings? Just one of those questions rolling around > > the head. > > Why would you need a lot of CPU power for? > physical modeling. It still chews TONS of cpu. However, supercomputer means non-realtime music (realtime and mpi? i don't think so.) and you can do physical modeling offline fine on a normal machine. So well, not very much. Loki From rzewnickie at rfa.org Sun Mar 5 02:30:19 2006 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Sun Mar 5 02:30:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work if JACK is running. In-Reply-To: <20060303222959.725CD4068@joseph.doink.com> References: <20060303211033.GL31592@rfa.org> <20060303222959.725CD4068@joseph.doink.com> Message-ID: <20060305073019.GE31732@rfa.org> On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 02:29:59PM -0800, Kevin Cosgrove wrote: > On 3 March 2006 at 16:10, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > > > I may be mistaken, but I think it's the other way around: portaudio-v19 > > can talk to jack. I can't think of a reason you would want to run jack > > on top of portaudio, even if it were possible. > I'm not certain which talks & which listens. But, jack has a > "--enable-portaudio" configure flag. Well ... whadyaknow, jack does have a portaudio backend. How strange. So, I wonder if audacity and jack could share access to portaudio ... That would be pretty crazy ... portaudio talking to oss or alsa, jack talking to portaudio and audacity talking to portaudio. I somehow can't imagine that would work very well, if at all ... Anyway, I've been working a bit with audacity compiled with portaudio-v19 support. In that worldview audacity uses portaudio and portaudio uses jackd and it more or less works. I've had some weird behavior and crashes on my development box, but haven't sorted out if it's a wxwindows/wxwidgets thing or a jack/portaudio thing, or possibly just some other weirdness specific to the messy state of that box right now. On our rivendell workstations we've got people testing both rivendell and audacity via jackd and so far I haven't heard any negative reports. -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Linux Audio Developer and Sysadmin Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 02:36:13 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Mar 5 02:36:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: <20060305063035.GA31732@rfa.org> References: <20060303013329.92327.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060305063035.GA31732@rfa.org> Message-ID: On 3/5/06, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 12:39:42PM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > > Being completely ignorant about smack I don't know if > > > it sequences but if you do I'd encourage not doing it > > > by pattern interface. Use the percussion staff. It's > > > so much easier than pattern interfaces and if it did > > > realtime playback upon note input anyone could learn > > > to read the percussion staff in about 10 minutes. OK, > > > maybe five minutes. > > > > > > > Doesn't do sequencing ;-) > > > > > And if smack doesn't do sequencing then how about > > > something rare like good documentation. I'd love to > > > study synthesis I just haven't had the time to do it. > > > > > > > good idea... documentation.... don't have any of that at the moment.... > > What about your thesis paper? It's a touch verbose ;-) At 65 pages and it's not really that related, apart from the physical modeling stuff, which i don't ship with smack anyway because it's not really any good. I mean, if you want to use 95 % of cpu on a amd64 3000+ to have one (not great) conga it might be okay... It has got a solid intro on drums and info about modes, etc which would be helpful in understanding the synthesis stuff i guess. Some more load this and play with this knob docs i think are needed. Maybe i should do a video. ;-) Anyone got any other drums they want synthed? Or algos? Loki From rzewnickie at rfa.org Sun Mar 5 02:54:41 2006 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Sun Mar 5 02:54:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] No More Specimen In-Reply-To: <30000470.3401141508265045.JavaMail.root@mugen> References: <30000470.3401141508265045.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <20060305075441.GF31732@rfa.org> On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 04:37:45PM -0500, Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > ----- Hartmut Noack wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > Marcos Guglielmetti schrieb: > > > I think that you did a good job with specimen, I used it many times > > Yeah, me too! Specimen is just handy it is clean, straight forward > > and > > still has the features needed for serious work with samples. It would > > be > > great, if you could keep it alive at least (no new features but some > > bugfixes from time to time and some "porting" to make it run/compile > > with recent Distros... > > This would raise the chances also, that someone who has the skills > > take > > over the project and thus your work could grow into the future... > Most definitely. It's still in Debian and has a maintainer[1]. I think > it should sit around and wait for someone to take over the source > code. > [1]http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?maint=macan@debian.org;dist=stable Pete, Could you give an estimate of how much time it might take to keep specimen functioning without adding any new features? /me might be interested in maintaining it ... -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Linux Audio Developer and Sysadmin Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From rzewnickie at rfa.org Sun Mar 5 03:16:15 2006 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Sun Mar 5 03:16:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: info about demudi In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30603041151g65662a05t8a5fd0c86916bc5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <43FEEB2F.1060009@rumoridifondo.com> <20060224151620.GA13908@emillo.net> <1b6a07c30602241002p64848c2ble5e4d4e7c735f990@mail.gmail.com> <874q2etmbe.dancerj%dancer@netfort.gr.jp> <87d5h2teyk.fsf@miu-ft.org> <1b6a07c30603041151g65662a05t8a5fd0c86916bc5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060305081615.GG31732@rfa.org> On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 02:51:32PM -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > On 3/4/06, Free Ekanayaka wrote: > > Hi all, > I have packaged these for Ubuntu Dapper. If someone wants to take them > and modify them for Debian, that would be awesome. > > KAConnect > QAMix > QARecord > QMidiArp > QMidiControl > QMidiRoute > Om > Mx44 > Jdelay > VCF LADSAP Plugins > gmorgan > Qsampler > Omins > > A couple of them are based on packages by others (Mx44, for example, > is based on Willem van Engen's package), but I had to make a lot of > modifications to have them included into Ubuntu. Is there a URL for your source debs? -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Linux Audio Developer and Sysadmin Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From rzewnickie at rfa.org Sun Mar 5 03:33:43 2006 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Sun Mar 5 03:34:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Smack ideas. What else do people want in a drum synth? In-Reply-To: References: <20060303013329.92327.qmail@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060305063035.GA31732@rfa.org> Message-ID: <20060305083343.GH31732@rfa.org> On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 06:36:13PM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > On 3/5/06, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 12:39:42PM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > > > Being completely ignorant about smack I don't know if > > > > it sequences but if you do I'd encourage not doing it > > > > by pattern interface. Use the percussion staff. It's > > > > so much easier than pattern interfaces and if it did > > > > realtime playback upon note input anyone could learn > > > > to read the percussion staff in about 10 minutes. OK, > > > > maybe five minutes. > > > Doesn't do sequencing ;-) > > > > And if smack doesn't do sequencing then how about > > > > something rare like good documentation. I'd love to > > > > study synthesis I just haven't had the time to do it. > > > good idea... documentation.... don't have any of that at the moment.... > > What about your thesis paper? > It's a touch verbose ;-) At 65 pages and it's not really that related, > apart from the physical modeling stuff, which i don't ship with smack > anyway because it's not really any good. I mean, if you want to use 95 > % of cpu on a amd64 3000+ to have one (not great) conga it might be > okay... It has got a solid intro on drums and info about modes, etc > which would be helpful in understanding the synthesis stuff i guess. Sure, 0k. but Ron did say he would like to learn about synthesis, so maybe it's worth posting the URL so he can take a look. > Some more load this and play with this knob docs i think are needed. > Maybe i should do a video. ;-) Anyone got any other drums they want > synthed? Or algos? How about some various taiko drums and such al a Ondekoza, Kodo, etc.? Knives on chopping blocks? (/me saw Ondekoza do a great bit with these at a performance once.) I've always been partial to pots and pans and dishes and glasses and other things found in kitchens since a very young age. -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Linux Audio Developer and Sysadmin Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From rzewnickie at rfa.org Sun Mar 5 03:35:30 2006 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Sun Mar 5 03:35:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ sharing Message-ID: <20060305083530.GI31732@rfa.org> Old school Linux Audio lore held that it was bad to let your audio card share an IRQ with anything else. Is this a myth, or still good solid practical advice? -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Linux Audio Developer and Sysadmin Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From yves_p at nnx.com Sun Mar 5 04:03:14 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Sun Mar 5 04:03:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] http://download.linuxsampler.org/packages/debian/ In-Reply-To: <440A64BB.7040401@11h11.com> References: <440A64BB.7040401@11h11.com> Message-ID: <20060305090314.GA19852@localhost> Le 04 Mar ? 23:10, patrick ecrivait: > anybody have a debian package for linuxsampler. > not anymore on download.linuxsampler.org? You should try compiling the cvs. It compiles fine on Debian sid, the includes libraries are installed easily with apt-get. The downlaod procedure is clearly indicated on the site (just install the cvs package), and you should compile and installl in this order, as indicated : libgig, linuxsampler, liblscp, qsampler (don't know about the java frontend). The advantage of compiling it is that linuxsampler's configure script has lots of options which are really worth trying for very sensible optimisations, depending on your computer. Y. From florin at andrei.myip.org Sun Mar 5 05:02:18 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sun Mar 5 05:02:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ sharing In-Reply-To: <20060305083530.GI31732@rfa.org> References: <20060305083530.GI31732@rfa.org> Message-ID: <1141552939.3100.23.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 03:35 -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > Old school Linux Audio lore held that it was bad to let your audio card > share an IRQ with anything else. Is this a myth, or still good solid > practical advice? It might still have some influence, but nowadays the typical hardware is so fast, it doesn't matter like it used to. I'm getting pretty good latency with no xruns when running jackd with real-time priority, despite INT 5 being crowded like hell: $ cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 5132562 XT-PIC timer 1: 43690 XT-PIC i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 5: 298405 XT-PIC ICE1712, Bt87x audio, bttv0, ohci_hcd:usb2, eth0 7: 10 XT-PIC parport0 8: 1 XT-PIC rtc 9: 0 XT-PIC acpi 10: 4 XT-PIC ehci_hcd:usb1 11: 1849056 XT-PIC ohci_hcd:usb3, ohci1394, nvidia 12: 333945 XT-PIC i8042 14: 107572 XT-PIC ide0 15: 183634 XT-PIC ide1 NMI: 0 LOC: 0 ERR: 0 MIS: 0 -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sun Mar 5 05:21:30 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Sun Mar 5 05:14:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <440A1F16.9020109@bigfoot.com> References: <20060304151630.8169E93295F@music.columbia.edu> <200603040744060780.00972708@mail.imbris.net> <440A1F16.9020109@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <20060305102130.GA4746@linux-1> On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 03:13:26PM -0800, Erik Steffl wrote: > >Well, there's a reason they call it the linuga-franca. > >French once was, and may yet be again. > > nitpicking: don't think 'franca' stands for french, see > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingua_franca (I'm not 100% sure whether > you were implying franca stands for french or simply that franch was > lingua franca once) There is a least a very strong connection. The German name for France is 'Frankreich' - empire of the Franks - while the Wikipedia refers to 'Frankish Language'. French used the be the lingua franca in 'better circles' in most of Europe, and also in diplomacy. One remaining trace of this is seen in diplomatic protocol: when countries are ordered alphabetically, this is still done using their french names. It was a recurring pain for the English during WW II that in neutral countries 'Allemagne' came before 'Angleterre' :-) -- FA From rzewnickie at rfa.org Sun Mar 5 05:19:33 2006 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Sun Mar 5 05:19:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ sharing In-Reply-To: <1141552939.3100.23.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <20060305083530.GI31732@rfa.org> <1141552939.3100.23.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <20060305101933.GM31732@rfa.org> On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 02:02:18AM -0800, Florin Andrei wrote: > On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 03:35 -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > > Old school Linux Audio lore held that it was bad to let your audio card > > share an IRQ with anything else. Is this a myth, or still good solid > > practical advice? > > It might still have some influence, but nowadays the typical hardware is > so fast, it doesn't matter like it used to. > > I'm getting pretty good latency with no xruns when running jackd with > real-time priority, despite INT 5 being crowded like hell: Does anyone know if dual HyperThreaded Xeon's might impact this at all? I've got a user reporting jackd dieing on such hardware with an rme digi96/8 pad. It happens to be sharing and IRQ between these things: 10: 38948682 0 0 0 XT-PIC libata, RME96, uhci_hcd:usb1, eth0 Haven't had a chance to get physical access to the box, yet, to do some thorough sorting of the issue. But, just wondered if this might in anyway be a possible source of problems. -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki Apprentice Linux Audio Developer and Mostly Harmless Sysadmin (text below this line mandated by management) Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sun Mar 5 06:08:57 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sun Mar 5 06:09:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ sharing In-Reply-To: <1141552939.3100.23.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <20060305083530.GI31732@rfa.org> <1141552939.3100.23.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <20060305120857.2abccbe5@mango.fruits.de> On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 02:02:18 -0800 Florin Andrei wrote: > On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 03:35 -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > > Old school Linux Audio lore held that it was bad to let your audio card > > share an IRQ with anything else. Is this a myth, or still good solid > > practical advice? > > It might still have some influence, but nowadays the typical hardware is > so fast, it doesn't matter like it used to. > > I'm getting pretty good latency with no xruns when running jackd with > real-time priority, despite INT 5 being crowded like hell: Hi, this might work out in the most situations, but of course it depends on what kind of devices share the IRQ. Imagine a situation where the ide controllers and the sound interface are on the same irq. Now, if you do heavy disk I/O there's a very real chance of the audio operation getting disturbed, especially at low latency settings. If the ide controllers and the audio interface were on different IRQ's one could use the irq handler thread priorities of a -rt kernel to practically guarantee xrun free operation even under heavy disk load (simply by giving jack and the audio irq higher prios than the ide controller irqs). With a shared IRQ this option is not availale anymore. So, depending on what you want from your box, non shared IRQs can make sense and can have real advantages. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From julian at cipht.net Sun Mar 5 06:02:56 2006 From: julian at cipht.net (Julian Squires) Date: Sun Mar 5 06:31:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] slightly OT: supercomputer music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060305110255.GA15814@cipht.net> On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 08:56:27AM -0500, Greg wrote: > does anyone know of instances of big computing power going into making > music? Any recordings? Just one of those questions rolling around > the head. The first thing that comes to mind for me is some of Iannis Xenakis's compositions. I have no idea whether he would have been using something considered a supercomputer at the time, though. Certainly whatever computing power went into it then is easily achievable at home, now. Cheers. -- Julian Squires From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 07:33:44 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Mar 5 07:33:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: No More Specimen In-Reply-To: <20060305075441.GF31732@rfa.org> References: <30000470.3401141508265045.JavaMail.root@mugen> <20060305075441.GF31732@rfa.org> Message-ID: > Pete, > > Could you give an estimate of how much time it might take to keep > specimen functioning without adding any new features? > > /me might be interested in maintaining it ... > Somewhat related, who is going to be maintaining phat? I seem to be one of the few people/projects that use it, so i will if you want. Next project i'm working is using it too. Loki From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sun Mar 5 07:47:30 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sun Mar 5 07:47:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Music distribution in the internet age - I'm confused. Message-ID: <440ADDE2.80700@poeticstudios.com> Hi everybody, after almost two years spent ramblin about music distribution in the internet age, copyright issues, file sharing and such, trying to convince some people that physical mediums like CDs are dead and that artist must find other ways of financial support other than selling records, I've just stumbled upon the website of a musician I respect and follow since many years ago. There's a brand new mp3 store over there. If you decide to purchase a track you are redirected to a page - a typical shopping cart - in which you can choose (!?!?!?) the quantity of mp3s you want to buy of the same track. I'm tempted to try and buy two copies of a track to see if I receive two links of the same track or if I'll have to download the track two times, one for myself and one for a friend. My mind is exploding. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From lanas at securenet.net Sun Mar 5 08:22:25 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sun Mar 5 08:22:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <1141519175.14714.25.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060304151630.8169E93295F@music.columbia.edu> <200603040744060780.00972708@mail.imbris.net> <20060304191049.2abec149@mistral.stie> <1141519175.14714.25.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060305082225.3ab1dc9b@mistral.stie> On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 19:39:35 -0500 Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-03-04 at 19:10 -0500, lanas wrote: > > I've lived in Europa for four years and there's more culture there > > than in America, that's one thing for sure. People in general like > > to know about things, they have interests, while in America only > > some do. > I don't know what part of America you live in, but there's TONS of > culture where I am. Maybe you didn't get into the city enough. Can't have tons of culture when the country is only 400 years old at most. There's no blame to be put: simply look at the facts. What can you expect as 'tons of culture' when your country is large as a continent, does not include other old countries (as Russia, China, etc...), that Native people (the only ones who lived there before) are rendered irrelevent, that your northern neighbour is mostly the same (apart from that little corner up there of 7 millions, you know, but even them, they're Americans, but with a slight cultural twist), and when all immigrants, despite their exotic names, adhere quite fast to the American way of life. So that's pretty much uniform. And this uniformity prevents people from facing 'tons of culture'. Can't really blame people for that. Now compare this to Europe. All these little sovereign 'countries', each having their own language (most of them). You cannot live in Europe on a daily basis for years without that feeling coming up. Be it in the news, the papers, that prompts you to think 'Hey, there are Italians down there close by and Parmalat has troubles and it implies Berlusconi. Hey, there are Finnish people up there close by (yes I know, takes 24 hour ship trip from Rosotck to get to Helsinki) and they're doing some good business with Nokia. etc...". So on so forth. Be it the music. Especially in the middle-to-small leagues, but also the big stars such as Zugaro whose posters fills up the streets ofa German city. When did you had the oppurtunity to last see the very good Swedish band Isildurs Bane ? Or The Flower Kings ? Well, you know, IB takes their rental truck and drive it down to Germany and then they can play a few gigs there. And the week after ? Two Finnish ladies singing Lapland songs. Lots of that per week, 52 weeks per year. Be it the films, rentals and in theatres. be it the car industry with cars from France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Czech republic (Skoda - I know, owned by VW), Sweden. So you see, there's no blame to be put on the dynamics where people are living. Put European people in America and after a generation or two they'll behave like... Americans ! ;-) As for the second point I mentioned, people having in general more interests in things, this is very flagrant with the percentage of Americans not caring what Bush has lead them to so far. Political chitchat in America often boils down to echoing something heard on TV. In Europe you at least get the feel that the individual has given some thought to the matter. From fbar at footils.org Sun Mar 5 09:06:20 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Mar 5 09:06:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [PD-ot] walking In-Reply-To: References: <20060303211456.GU27812@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060305140620.GC19385@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > Are those moving data structures!? That's awesome, can we run the > patch ourselves, or do you have a video?!? > > I like the track, how are dynamics controlled? I want to know more! > It would go really well with walking boxes for visuals. You've guessed it! I've put up a screenshot on http://footils.org/cms/show/49 The dynamics are [random], actually. It's a very simple, but quite effective Pd patch. Still work in progress. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Sun Mar 5 09:10:38 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (baldobe) Date: Sun Mar 5 09:10:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] No Debian meu icons. Do I need a reinstall? Message-ID: <3248702.post@talk.nabble.com> On my Agnula/demudi install, running Gnome, I do not have any menu items in Debian menu. I have menu items in Applications but nothing in Debian menu. On a previous install there was a whole load of stuff here. Do I need to do a reinstall? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/No-Debian-meu-icons.-Do-I-need-a-reinstall--t1228383.html#a3248702 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Sun Mar 5 09:13:49 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (Bal Dobe) Date: Sun Mar 5 09:14:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work if JACK is running. In-Reply-To: <4408805D.5010803@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <00e501c6405f$06997970$0501a8c0@lappie> Brian, I tried to install ReZound but I can not. I did it through synaptic but I do not have a menu item for ReZound. -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Brian Dunn Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:44 PM To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work if JACK is running. Have you tried rezound? I don't know what your specific needs are, but this thing is jack/ladspa enabled and it works great for editing samples/loops. rezound.sourceforge.net Brian __________ NOD32 1.1428 (20060303) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Sun Mar 5 09:21:20 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (baldobe) Date: Sun Mar 5 09:21:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. Message-ID: <3248794.post@talk.nabble.com> I had a read through this: http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/DocumentsFaq#TheXWindowgraphicalsystemfailstostart To see how I can get my demudi distro to connect to the internet but I am getting nowhere. I loaded up Network settings and added a connection for eth0 Lan card but when I tell it to conenct it just does nothing. The mouse pointer still works but I get no reponse from anything and I still can not connect to the internet. Can someone guide me through this process please. Many thanks. Bal. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/agnula-demudi-unable-to-acces-the-internet.-t1228409.html#a3248794 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Sun Mar 5 09:38:51 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (Balbinder Dobe) Date: Sun Mar 5 09:38:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work if JACK is running. In-Reply-To: <00e501c6405f$06997970$0501a8c0@lappie> Message-ID: <20060305143851.93991.qmail@web51112.mail.yahoo.com> I did apt-get install rezound and I still do nto have an icon to open rezound. However, I am able to open it from the treminal but I can nto play anything. This is the messages that I got : using path '/usr/share/rezound' for share data directory 'lame' executable not found in $PATH -- mp3 support will be disabled If rezound dies unexpectedly while seeking with the keyboard, auto-repeat may be disabled.. if this happens run 'rezound --fix-auto-repeat' cannot write to working directory candidate: /mnt/sdb6/Projects/Elliman/Stranger -- Permission denied Segmentation fault What does this mean? --- Bal Dobe wrote: > Brian, I tried to install ReZound but I can not. I > did it through > synaptic but I do not have a menu item for ReZound. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu > [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] > On Behalf Of Brian > Dunn > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:44 PM > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work > if JACK is running. > > Have you tried rezound? I don't know what your > specific needs are, but > this thing is jack/ladspa enabled and it works great > for editing > samples/loops. > > rezound.sourceforge.net > > Brian > > __________ NOD32 1.1428 (20060303) Information > __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: > http://messenger.yahoo.de > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Mar 5 10:10:53 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Mar 5 09:41:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. In-Reply-To: <3248794.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <3248794.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <440AFF7D.5030707@woh.rr.com> baldobe wrote: >I had a read through this: >http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/DocumentsFaq#TheXWindowgraphicalsystemfailstostart > >To see how I can get my demudi distro to connect to the internet but I am >getting nowhere. >I loaded up Network settings and added a connection for eth0 Lan card but >when I tell it to conenct it just does nothing. The mouse pointer still >works but I get no reponse from anything and I still can not connect to the >internet. > >Can someone guide me through this process please. > > Hi Bal: It was a pain for me too, but I finally figured out a way to make it work. I'm on a high-speed cable modem connection. On some systems it connects automatically (my laptop with RH9) and on others it doesn't (my desktop with RH9 and Debian Etch). With RH9 I simply do (as root) : /etc/init.d/network restart Unfortunately that doesn't work with my Debian system. I discovered that I could do this : pump -i eth0 I'm not sure about the option flag, I'm not at that machine. Btw, I think you'll need to be the root user. That completely knocks out eth0. Then I run this command : ifup eth0 And that makes the connection. Weird, I know, but it works. As someone else wrote, you may have good luck with the GNOME network configurator, it's worth a try. Best, dp From terakuma at imbris.net Sun Mar 5 10:28:16 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Sun Mar 5 10:28:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT on LAU In-Reply-To: <20060305073627.F3CC494CA39@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060305073627.F3CC494CA39@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603050728160190.00490F64@mail.imbris.net> >There is the linart list. I've thought throughout reading this thread >that much of the discussion might be appropriate there. It is currently >a very very quiet list. I don't even remember the address. But, I know a >bunch of the people on this list are subscribed there. If I remember >correctly, discussions about the creative (and perhaps spirtual) were >welcome there. It might just be possible to make that the warmer, >friendlier, less technically bombastic place you're seeking. I think I found it - here: http://lists.alt.org/mailman/listinfo/linart Appears to be defunct (since 2004), but thanks for the suggestion, Eric. I still like the *idea* of a 'Linux Audio After Hours pub - where OT is always on tap', but it just depends on whether I can find the time to put it up. (Doubtful.) (Currently own 7 domains I had big ideas for - all just sitting there.) :( It looks like things can get pretty OT here without it bothering anyone much - just seems to depend on people's mood and what is being discussed. Cheers, Maluvia From terakuma at imbris.net Sun Mar 5 10:38:03 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Sun Mar 5 10:38:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: IRQ sharing In-Reply-To: <20060305101946.2B731951454@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060305101946.2B731951454@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603050738030610.00520665@mail.imbris.net> >On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 03:35 -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: >> Old school Linux Audio lore held that it was bad to let your audio card >> share an IRQ with anything else. Is this a myth, or still good solid >> practical advice? > >It might still have some influence, but nowadays the typical hardware is >so fast, it doesn't matter like it used to. > >I'm getting pretty good latency with no xruns when running jackd with >real-time priority, despite INT 5 being crowded like hell: Same here. We actually had the graphics card and the sound card on IRQ 5 for a long time with no apparent problems. (I attributed it to using Xvesa, and the processor speed.) We finally pulled the card out and moved it around to get it on IRQ 7, but have not noticed any change in performance - didn't seem to matter at all. (ymmv) - Maluvia From robin at rektau.ukfsn.org Sun Mar 5 10:52:59 2006 From: robin at rektau.ukfsn.org (robin) Date: Sun Mar 5 10:52:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] No Debian meu icons. Do I need a reinstall? In-Reply-To: <3248702.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <3248702.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <440B095B.9090802@rektau.ukfsn.org> baldobe wrote: > On my Agnula/demudi install, running Gnome, I do not have any menu items in > Debian menu. I have menu items in Applications but nothing in Debian menu. > On a previous install there was a whole load of stuff here. > > Do I need to do a reinstall? > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/No-Debian-meu-icons.-Do-I-need-a-reinstall--t1228383.html#a3248702 > Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. > > > No, as root run update-menus Not sure if you have to log out/log in, in gnome to effect change within gnome enviroment robin From terakuma at imbris.net Sun Mar 5 11:20:30 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Sun Mar 5 11:20:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <20060305142130.A5ED79583D0@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060305142130.A5ED79583D0@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603050820300450.0078E468@mail.imbris.net> >Can't have tons of culture when the country is only 400 years old at >most. I would second that, as well as your observation that our 'cultural' influence in the world revolves mainly around our movie industry. It has been my feeling for a long time that what passes for American culture is just 'Pop Culture' and the entertainment industry. Culture stems from shared history and experience, and that which binds people into a common system of values and behaviors - and it seems that in America, television, movies and the inescapable crass advertising that always accompanies it *is* that binding force. Regional dialects are disappearing as people - especially the young - seek to emulate the speech, appearance, and behavior of their favorite TV/movie stars. I'm afraid Hollywood and McDonald's *is* our culture. >So that's pretty much uniform. And this uniformity prevents people >from facing 'tons of culture'. > >As for the second point I mentioned, people having in general more >interests in things, this is very flagrant with the percentage of >Americans not caring what Bush has lead them to so far. Political >chitchat in America often boils down to echoing something heard on >TV. In Europe you at least get the feel that the individual has given >some thought to the matter. So true, and I would attribute this to our 'Hollywood' culture as well - it teaches people to be passive consumers of information and material goods and to conform to media-promoted images. Thinking is actively discouraged - I learned this the hard way in college and graduate school - especially by the rising would-be theocrats All my friends from foreign countries were so much more open-minded and willing to question things and consider alternative viewpoints. They demonstrated an individualism which while supposedly the hallmark of American society has all but disappeared. - Maluvia From terakuma at imbris.net Sun Mar 5 11:28:10 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Sun Mar 5 11:28:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: Music distribution in the internet age In-Reply-To: <20060305142130.A5ED79583D0@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060305142130.A5ED79583D0@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603050828100840.007FEB0D@mail.imbris.net> >Hi everybody, >after almost two years spent ramblin about music distribution in the >internet age, copyright issues, file sharing and such, trying to >convince some people that physical mediums like CDs are dead and that >artist must find other ways of financial support other than selling >records Ah yes - the eternal pursuit of how to actually make a living as a musician - especially nowadays, with so much music freely downloadable online, and live music gigs getting supplanted by karaoke and djs. >I've just stumbled upon the website of a musician I respect and >follow since many years ago. Link? >If you decide to purchase a track you are redirected to a page - a >typical shopping cart - in which you can choose (!?!?!?) the quantity of >mp3s you want to buy of the same track. > >I'm tempted to try and buy two copies of a track to see if I receive two >links of the same track or if I'll have to download the track two times, >one for myself and one for a friend. LOL, that is really pretty funny! - Maluvia From daneasley at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 11:44:57 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Sun Mar 5 11:45:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <200603050820300450.0078E468@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060305142130.A5ED79583D0@music.columbia.edu> <200603050820300450.0078E468@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: apt-get upgrade culture no, really. i like to decry the loss of working class intellectualism; in my admittedly speculative history of the world america lost it in the thirties. best antidote i've seen so far is the emergence of freely available media production tools, as are refined and developed in forums such as this one. certainly america has a culture; it's not one i'm particularly fond of, but it's also so diversified that i must claim ownership and alliance with bits of it, and lifelong enmity towards other parts. still, judging its value as a whole or in part is so difficult as to be misleading. let's say robert wyatt is my janet jackson - it would be as rude of me to force others to listen to wyatt as it is of others to make me listen to janet. certainly i read this list and work with linux audio tools while my roommates watch people shoot at each other on the tv. i don't think i'm any better than those guys - in fact, i wish i were as easily amused. i must take the canonized developer's attitude on this. don't like our culture? submit a bug report, or learn to code a patch. yours in america, proud land of harry partch and kurt vonnegut, dan -- dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com daneasley@gmail.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sun Mar 5 12:14:26 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sun Mar 5 12:14:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: Music distribution in the internet age In-Reply-To: <200603050828100840.007FEB0D@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060305142130.A5ED79583D0@music.columbia.edu> <200603050828100840.007FEB0D@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <440B1C72.3030109@poeticstudios.com> Maluvia wrote: >Link? > > Can't. ;-) c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From pirrone at localnet.com Sun Mar 5 12:38:07 2006 From: pirrone at localnet.com (pirrone) Date: Sun Mar 5 12:36:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IRQ sharing In-Reply-To: <20060305101933.GM31732@rfa.org> References: <20060305083530.GI31732@rfa.org> <1141552939.3100.23.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060305101933.GM31732@rfa.org> Message-ID: <440B21FF.60101@localnet.com> Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 02:02:18AM -0800, Florin Andrei wrote: > >> On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 03:35 -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: >> >>> Old school Linux Audio lore held that it was bad to let your audio card >>> share an IRQ with anything else. Is this a myth, or still good solid >>> practical advice? >>> >> It might still have some influence, but nowadays the typical hardware is >> so fast, it doesn't matter like it used to. >> >> I'm getting pretty good latency with no xruns when running jackd with >> real-time priority, despite INT 5 being crowded like hell: >> > > Does anyone know if dual HyperThreaded Xeon's might impact this at all? > I've got a user reporting jackd dieing on such hardware with an rme > digi96/8 pad. It happens to be sharing and IRQ between these things: > > 10: 38948682 0 0 0 XT-PIC > libata, RME96, uhci_hcd:usb1, eth0 > > Haven't had a chance to get physical access to the box, yet, to do some > thorough sorting of the issue. But, just wondered if this might in > anyway be a possible source of problems. > > No problems with dual 3.0GHz Xeons running either 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4smp or 2.6.13-0.3.rdt.rhfc4.ccrmasmp From artemio at kdemail.net Sun Mar 5 13:00:16 2006 From: artemio at kdemail.net (Artemiy Pavlov) Date: Sun Mar 5 13:04:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Rhythm Galaxy vol. 1 drum/percussion sample library Message-ID: <200603052000.16319.artemio@kdemail.net> Dear Linux audio software users and developers, many of you may know me - a sound designer behind many free sounds I keep on making for Hydrogen rhythm machine and other samplers. Now I am pleased to announce Rhythm Galaxy vol. 1 - an all-new sound library which boasts a huge load of drums, percussion and effects - from analog and digital emulations to brand new, amazing sounds. It is a low-cost but very high-quality library which delivers just the right sounds for various styles. Rhythm Galaxy vol. 1 includes over 250 world-class, superb sounds which satisfy the needs of professional composers and music-making lovers who have been searching for fresh, unique and inspiring material. All sounds are totally original material, they have been created completely from scratch, using Roland Fantom-S, V-Synth and VC-1 synthesizers, Krok 2401 analog vocoder and also ALSA Modular synth. Rhythm Galaxy is available in two formats: - .WAV files grouped in folders ("Kick", "Snare", etc.) - suitable for any hardware/software sampler - Hydrogen drum kit with all 256 sounds (will work only in Hydrogen 0.9.4 sound library manager). Sound demo: http://soniccharger.com/media/demos/Rhythm_Galaxy_1_demo.mp3 Specs and complete sample list: http://soniccharger.com/media/manuals/Rhythm_Galaxy_manual.pdf More info: http://store.rolandclan.info/?action=catalogueViewItem&category=4&id=RGALAXY1&skip=0 You can also read more about me and my works at http://sineshine.com. Sincerely, Artemiy. From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Sun Mar 5 13:05:45 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (lilli chiffon) Date: Sun Mar 5 13:06:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Could not connect to JACK server as client Message-ID: <1141581945.6284.18.camel@yo-machine> Hi people ! I gonna be clearest as possible ! My system : debian sarge, gnome, 2.6.14-2 homemade kernel. Before : (Just an abstract) Ardour (0.9beta28 debian version) Jack (0.99 debian version) Qjackctl (0.2.15a debian version) I was building new version of ardour (0.99.2) from sources, it was build in /usr/local a separate partition. I tryed and it works. So i built jack (0.100) from source too. It was okay so Know : Ardour (0.9beta28 debian version) Jack (0.99 debian version) Qjackctl (0.2.15a debian version) plus Ardour (0.99.2) Jack (0.100) installed in /usr/local. But, and this the trouble when i start Qjackctl (with /usr/local/bin/jackd in the setup path) i've got this message : 18:45:28.566 Patchbay deactivated. 18:45:28.653 Statistics reset. 18:45:28.759 Startup script... 18:45:28.760 artsshell -q terminateessai JACK compiled with System V SHM support 18:45:28.778 MIDI connection graph change. 18:45:29.364 Startup script terminated with exit status=256. 18:45:29.364 JACK is starting... 18:45:29.364 /usr/local/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p1024 -n2 18:45:29.373 JACK was started with PID=6237 (0x185d). jackd 0.100.0 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-| 32bit control device hw:0 configuring for 44100Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods Note: audio device hw:0 doesn't support a 32bit sample format so JACK will try a 24bit format instead Note: audio device hw:0 doesn't support a 24bit sample format so JACK will try a 16bit format instead nperiods = 2 for capture Note: audio device hw:0 doesn't support a 32bit sample format so JACK will try a 24bit format instead Note: audio device hw:0 doesn't support a 24bit sample format so JACK will try a 16bit format instead nperiods = 2 for playback 18:45:29.575 MIDI connection change. 18:45:31.586 Could not connect to JACK server as client. 18:45:33.573 JACK is stopping... jack main caught signal 15 no message buffer overruns 18:45:33.740 JACK was stopped successfully. (As you see there's the time in Paris :)) Same if i start Qjackctl under root. If i try to launch Qjackctl with the default path setup (/usr/bin/jackd) i've got a segmentation fault. Is there someone who have a idea, what can i do ? Merci d'avance, best regards P'tit Louis. From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Sun Mar 5 13:08:01 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0dGVyIFN1bmRsw7Zm?=) Date: Sun Mar 5 13:08:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ANN] Rhythm Galaxy vol. 1 drum/percussion sample library In-Reply-To: <200603052000.16319.artemio@kdemail.net> References: <200603052000.16319.artemio@kdemail.net> Message-ID: <440B2901.4020904@findus.dhs.org> Have you considered releasing this under a free license? Artemiy Pavlov wrote: > Dear Linux audio software users and developers, > > many of you may know me - a sound designer behind many free sounds I keep on > making for Hydrogen rhythm machine and other samplers. > > Now I am pleased to announce Rhythm Galaxy vol. 1 - an all-new sound library > which boasts a huge load of drums, percussion and effects - from analog and > digital emulations to brand new, amazing sounds. It is a low-cost but very > high-quality library which delivers just the right sounds for various styles. > > Rhythm Galaxy vol. 1 includes over 250 world-class, superb sounds which > satisfy the needs of professional composers and music-making lovers who have > been searching for fresh, unique and inspiring material. All sounds are > totally original material, they have been created completely from scratch, > using Roland Fantom-S, V-Synth and VC-1 synthesizers, Krok 2401 analog vocoder > and also ALSA Modular synth. > > Rhythm Galaxy is available in two formats: > > - .WAV files grouped in folders ("Kick", "Snare", etc.) - suitable for any > hardware/software sampler > > - Hydrogen drum kit with all 256 sounds (will work only in Hydrogen 0.9.4 > sound library manager). > > Sound demo: > http://soniccharger.com/media/demos/Rhythm_Galaxy_1_demo.mp3 > > Specs and complete sample list: > http://soniccharger.com/media/manuals/Rhythm_Galaxy_manual.pdf > > More info: > http://store.rolandclan.info/?action=catalogueViewItem&category=4&id=RGALAXY1&skip=0 > > You can also read more about me and my works at http://sineshine.com. > > > Sincerely, > > Artemiy. From terakuma at imbris.net Sun Mar 5 13:10:42 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Sun Mar 5 13:10:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <20060305171438.6773695F01E@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060305171438.6773695F01E@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603051010420330.00DDCC37@mail.imbris.net> >apt-get upgrade culture Spoken like a hard-core hacker. :) >certainly i read this list and work with linux audio tools while my >roommates watch people shoot at each other on the tv. i don't think >i'm any better than those guys - in fact, i wish i were as easily >amused. I don't think it's an issue of whose 'better' than who - to me it's more a matter of a demonstrated willingness to grow, change and adapt. Americans - for many reasons lanas mentioned - just tend to be insular w/re to the rest of the world. This isn't healthy from an evolutionary standpoint, and if continued, will lead to certain societal decline and diminishing global influence and significance. >i must take the canonized developer's attitude on this. don't like >our culture? submit a bug report, or learn to code a patch. Precisely what we are trying to do in our own unique fashion. I think it really starts at home - reforming yourself first, and focusing on how you raise your own children. If we each tend our own gardens, then I think the rest will take care of itself. >best antidote i've seen so far is the emergence of freely available >media production tools, as are refined and developed in forums such as >this one. I abolutely agree. >yours in america, proud land of harry partch and kurt vonnegut, And let's not leave out - 'the Blues', perhaps America's most precious gift to the planet. - Maluvia From carotinobg at yahoo.it Sun Mar 5 13:47:18 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Sun Mar 5 13:48:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <20060305082225.3ab1dc9b@mistral.stie> References: <20060304151630.8169E93295F@music.columbia.edu> <1141519175.14714.25.camel@mindpipe> <20060305082225.3ab1dc9b@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <200603051947.18724.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 14:22, domenica 5 marzo 2006, lanas ha scritto: > Can't have tons of culture when the country is only 400 years old at > most. Well, sometime I think that in my very small and insignificant town (4000 people) here in Italy, we have buildings that were built way before the discovery of America... included the internet connections... But I don't think this is related to culture, I think it's more related about perception of one's past. We have a lot of it... and every small town has its own version of our common dialect, well alive and kicking! Old Europe:) Byez! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From artemio at kdemail.net Sun Mar 5 13:55:58 2006 From: artemio at kdemail.net (Artemiy Pavlov) Date: Sun Mar 5 13:56:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Rhythm Galaxy vol. 1 drum/percussion sample library In-Reply-To: <440B2901.4020904@findus.dhs.org> References: <200603052000.16319.artemio@kdemail.net> <440B2901.4020904@findus.dhs.org> Message-ID: <200603052055.58429.artemio@kdemail.net> > Have you considered releasing this under a free license? l'll surely confider this when food and wear will be available for a free license too. ;-) A little bit strange question anyway, why do you think every piece of great software work should be free? This is not even a topic for discussion IMHO. Anyway, I have so much more free materials than commercial ones, these include samples, patches, FAQs, books, howtos. I am running two musicians forums with thousands of members, with no kind of ads anywhere. I take part in three open source projects. So now please flame me for trying to promote Linux as a pro music production platform with my nice 30-dollar sample library. Sincerely, Artemiy. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Mar 5 14:03:52 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Mar 5 14:04:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <20060305082225.3ab1dc9b@mistral.stie> References: <20060304151630.8169E93295F@music.columbia.edu> <200603040744060780.00972708@mail.imbris.net> <20060304191049.2abec149@mistral.stie> <1141519175.14714.25.camel@mindpipe> <20060305082225.3ab1dc9b@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <1141585433.14714.80.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 08:22 -0500, lanas wrote: > As for the second point I mentioned, people having in general more > interests in things, this is very flagrant with the percentage of > Americans not caring what Bush has lead them to so far. Thirty something percent? > Political > chitchat in America often boils down to echoing something heard on > TV. I don't watch TV and neither do most of my friends > In Europe you at least get the feel that the individual has given > some thought to the matter. You seem to be comparing cultured Europeans to American hicks, but you can go to the south of France or the mountains of Switzerland and find people who are the European equivalent of dumb ass rednecks in the US. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Mar 5 14:09:49 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Mar 5 14:09:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <200603050820300450.0078E468@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060305142130.A5ED79583D0@music.columbia.edu> <200603050820300450.0078E468@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <1141585790.14714.86.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 08:20 -0800, Maluvia wrote: > Regional dialects are disappearing as people - especially the young - > seek > to emulate the speech, appearance, and behavior of their favorite > TV/movie > stars. Bullshit. People in Philly still talk like they're from Philly. Always have, always will. > I'm afraid Hollywood and McDonald's *is* our culture. Those are the only culture of the suburban sprawl monster that is chewing up the real America and shitting it out. But that is NOT all of America, or even the most important part. And, unlike the real America, that part is doomed in the long run, as it's built on flawed 1950s premises (that gas will be cheap forever and no one would ever want to walk when they can drive). Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Mar 5 14:14:06 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Mar 5 14:14:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Rhythm Galaxy vol. 1 drum/percussion sample library In-Reply-To: <200603052055.58429.artemio@kdemail.net> References: <200603052000.16319.artemio@kdemail.net> <440B2901.4020904@findus.dhs.org> <200603052055.58429.artemio@kdemail.net> Message-ID: <1141586047.14714.91.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 20:55 +0200, Artemiy Pavlov wrote: > A little bit strange question anyway, why do you think every piece of > great > software work should be free? This is not even a topic for discussion > IMHO. > I'd like to thank everyone in advance for NOT starting a huge flamewar over this, as it was all covered in the "Free Software vs. Open Source" thread. Lee From yves_p at nnx.com Sun Mar 5 14:33:44 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Sun Mar 5 14:33:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <1141585433.14714.80.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060304151630.8169E93295F@music.columbia.edu> <200603040744060780.00972708@mail.imbris.net> <20060304191049.2abec149@mistral.stie> <1141519175.14714.25.camel@mindpipe> <20060305082225.3ab1dc9b@mistral.stie> <1141585433.14714.80.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060305193344.GA10400@localhost> Le 05 Mar ? 14:03, Lee Revell ecrivait: > You seem to be comparing cultured Europeans to American hicks, but you > can go to the south of France or the mountains of Switzerland and find > people who are the European equivalent of dumb ass rednecks in the US. Completely agree. You don't even need to go to the south of France, you will find them everywhere, also in Paris. The French term for them, here, is ? gros boeuf ? (big cow). They are very common :). Y. From jazzride at laposte.net Sun Mar 5 14:37:55 2006 From: jazzride at laposte.net (jazzride) Date: Sun Mar 5 14:38:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <20060305193344.GA10400@localhost> References: <20060304151630.8169E93295F@music.columbia.edu> <200603040744060780.00972708@mail.imbris.net> <20060304191049.2abec149@mistral.stie> <1141519175.14714.25.camel@mindpipe> <20060305082225.3ab1dc9b@mistral.stie> <1141585433.14714.80.camel@mindpipe> <20060305193344.GA10400@localhost> Message-ID: Yves Potin wrote: > Le 05 Mar ? 14:03, Lee Revell ecrivait: > >> You seem to be comparing cultured Europeans to American hicks, but you >> can go to the south of France or the mountains of Switzerland and find >> people who are the European equivalent of dumb ass rednecks in the US. > > Completely agree. You don't even need to go to the south of > France, you will find them everywhere, also in Paris. The French term for > them, here, is ? gros boeuf ? (big cow). They are very common :). > > Y. > :) From rtp405 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 5 14:51:12 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Sun Mar 5 14:51:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Rhythm Galaxy vol. 1 drum/percussion sample library In-Reply-To: <200603052055.58429.artemio@kdemail.net> Message-ID: <20060305195112.51508.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Artemiy Pavlov wrote: > > Have you considered releasing this under a free > license? > l'll surely confider this when food and wear will be > available for a free > license too. How dare you eat when there's a huge empty cultural void in the U.S.? You selfish bastard! Just for this I'm going to the kitchen to make myself a peanut butter and jelly sandwich which I'm gonna roll on like a dog does with shit. Then I'll return later on to sing the merits of saturated fat. Keep up the good work, ron > A little bit strange question anyway, why do you > think every piece of great > software work should be free? This is not even a > topic for discussion IMHO. > > Anyway, I have so much more free materials than > commercial ones, these include > samples, patches, FAQs, books, howtos. I am running > two musicians forums with > thousands of members, with no kind of ads anywhere. > I take part in three open > source projects. So now please flame me for trying > to promote Linux as a pro > music production platform with my nice 30-dollar > sample library. > > > Sincerely, > > Artemiy. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sun Mar 5 16:43:25 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sun Mar 5 14:53:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] GNU Audio Community Conference Room Message-ID: <87wtf8bm9u.fsf@esben-stien.name> I see some projects have started putting up public SIP conference rooms in combination with their mailing lists and irc channels. One is the freeswitch[0] project. The GNU Audio Community should be pioneering in this effort, in my opinion;). The topic would be the same as LAU; discuss music production, problems and software and whatever really;). There are some public SIP servers[1] that allows dynamic creation of conference rooms. The way it works is that you can call any number beginning with a certain prefix and you'll enter a conference room. If anybody else calls this number, they will of course join the conference. If anybody would like to try and see if they meet someone, you can call: sip:1-222-GNU-AUDIO@proxy01.sipphone.com Substitute the GNU-AUDIO with the corresponding letters. The complete SIP URI will then be: sip:1-222-468-28346@proxy01.sipphone.com Maybe in the future we can host our own server if this works out. Some other projects got a bot in irc which notifies of JOIN AND QUIT in the conference room. To get a SIP soft phone, you can check out the various free software projects at voip-info[2], specifically the SIP soft phone clients page[3]. Be aware that not all projects on that page is free software. If you need a terminal client, check out asterisk[4]. You can also run your sip phone through JACK;). A GUI client might be ekiga[5]. [0]http://www.freeswitch.org [1]http://http://www.cs.columbia.edu/sip/servers.html [2]http://voip-info.org [3]http://voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=VOIP+Phones#SoftPhonesvoiceonly [4]http://asterisk.org [5]http://ekiga.org -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From artemio at kdemail.net Sun Mar 5 14:57:36 2006 From: artemio at kdemail.net (Artemiy Pavlov) Date: Sun Mar 5 14:57:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ANN] Rhythm Galaxy vol. 1 drum/percussion sample library In-Reply-To: <440B363F.7040208@findus.dhs.org> References: <200603052000.16319.artemio@kdemail.net> <200603052055.58429.artemio@kdemail.net> <440B363F.7040208@findus.dhs.org> Message-ID: <200603052157.36752.artemio@kdemail.net> Guys, thanks for your understanding and little misunderstanding. To Peter: 1. It *was" an announcement, I do not ever "advertise". Or you want to say that if it's free product then it's an annoucemenet, and if it's not, this is an advertisement? I didn't yet know about such specifics in OSS terminology ;-) 2. I didn't say the sounds are great, I said "amazing" and "superb" ;-) 3. I don't think anyone ever released a commercial library for Linux software, so at least I thought you developers should know I did. Please take my apologies to anyone who my post hurt. But anyway I am a little surprised by how unwelcome any Linux-for-audio promotiing intentions like mine appeared to be to some of you. I must say that, still, there were much more positive reaction to this commercial Linux sound library from users who have been awating for some changes for a while. Anyway, for those whose ears fade away when they hear a word "commercial", please see: http://rolandclan.info/en/samples/index/ ;-) Yours, Artemiy. From jazzride at laposte.net Sun Mar 5 15:15:09 2006 From: jazzride at laposte.net (jazzride) Date: Sun Mar 5 15:15:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] Rhythm Galaxy vol. 1 drum/percussion sample library In-Reply-To: <200603052000.16319.artemio@kdemail.net> References: <200603052000.16319.artemio@kdemail.net> Message-ID: Artemiy Pavlov wrote: > Dear Linux audio software users and developers, > > many of you may know me - a sound designer behind many free sounds I keep on > making for Hydrogen rhythm machine and other samplers. > > Now I am pleased to announce Rhythm Galaxy vol. 1 - an all-new sound library > which boasts a huge load of drums, percussion and effects - from analog and > digital emulations to brand new, amazing sounds. It is a low-cost but very > high-quality library which delivers just the right sounds for various styles. > > Rhythm Galaxy vol. 1 includes over 250 world-class, superb sounds which > satisfy the needs of professional composers and music-making lovers who have > been searching for fresh, unique and inspiring material. All sounds are > totally original material, they have been created completely from scratch, > using Roland Fantom-S, V-Synth and VC-1 synthesizers, Krok 2401 analog vocoder > and also ALSA Modular synth. > > Rhythm Galaxy is available in two formats: > > - .WAV files grouped in folders ("Kick", "Snare", etc.) - suitable for any > hardware/software sampler > > - Hydrogen drum kit with all 256 sounds (will work only in Hydrogen 0.9.4 > sound library manager). > > Sound demo: > http://soniccharger.com/media/demos/Rhythm_Galaxy_1_demo.mp3 > > Specs and complete sample list: > http://soniccharger.com/media/manuals/Rhythm_Galaxy_manual.pdf > > More info: > http://store.rolandclan.info/?action=catalogueViewItem&category=4&id=RGALAXY1&skip=0 > > You can also read more about me and my works at http://sineshine.com. > > > Sincerely, > > Artemiy. > gonna try ... as i'm drummer i could be interested... From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sun Mar 5 17:25:47 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sun Mar 5 15:36:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] No Debian meu icons. Do I need a reinstall? In-Reply-To: <440B095B.9090802@rektau.ukfsn.org> (robin@rektau.ukfsn.org's message of "Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:52:59 +0000") References: <3248702.post@talk.nabble.com> <440B095B.9090802@rektau.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <87slpwbkb8.fsf@esben-stien.name> robin writes: > Not sure if you have to log out/log in, in gnome to effect change > within gnome enviroment You shouldn't really need to this any longer as long as you're running gamin. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Sun Mar 5 17:19:58 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (Bal Dobe) Date: Sun Mar 5 17:20:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] No Debian meu icons. Do I need a reinstall? In-Reply-To: <440B095B.9090802@rektau.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <000601c640a2$f082c760$0501a8c0@lappie> Worked perfectly, thanks Robin. Bal. -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of robin Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:53 PM To: A list for linux audio users Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] No Debian meu icons. Do I need a reinstall? baldobe wrote: > On my Agnula/demudi install, running Gnome, I do not have any menu items in > Debian menu. I have menu items in Applications but nothing in Debian menu. > On a previous install there was a whole load of stuff here. > > Do I need to do a reinstall? > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/No-Debian-meu-icons.-Do-I-need-a-reinstall--t12283 83.html#a3248702 > Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. > > > No, as root run update-menus Not sure if you have to log out/log in, in gnome to effect change within gnome enviroment robin __________ NOD32 1.1430 (20060304) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Sun Mar 5 17:32:03 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (Bal Dobe) Date: Sun Mar 5 17:32:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. In-Reply-To: <440AFF7D.5030707@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001c640a4$a04a5cc0$0501a8c0@lappie> Dave, I tried the network configurator but had no success with it. I wonder if someone can point me to a site that contains the details of how I can connect my machine up to the net. I need something that can really explain to me what I need to do and why. Cheers. Bal. -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Phillips Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:11 PM To: A list for linux audio users Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. baldobe wrote: >I had a read through this: >http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/DocumentsFaq#TheXWindowgraphicalsystemfai lstostart > >To see how I can get my demudi distro to connect to the internet but I am >getting nowhere. >I loaded up Network settings and added a connection for eth0 Lan card but >when I tell it to conenct it just does nothing. The mouse pointer still >works but I get no reponse from anything and I still can not connect to the >internet. > >Can someone guide me through this process please. > > Hi Bal: It was a pain for me too, but I finally figured out a way to make it work. I'm on a high-speed cable modem connection. On some systems it connects automatically (my laptop with RH9) and on others it doesn't (my desktop with RH9 and Debian Etch). With RH9 I simply do (as root) : /etc/init.d/network restart Unfortunately that doesn't work with my Debian system. I discovered that I could do this : pump -i eth0 I'm not sure about the option flag, I'm not at that machine. Btw, I think you'll need to be the root user. That completely knocks out eth0. Then I run this command : ifup eth0 And that makes the connection. Weird, I know, but it works. As someone else wrote, you may have good luck with the GNOME network configurator, it's worth a try. Best, dp __________ NOD32 1.1430 (20060304) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 5 17:58:54 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Sun Mar 5 17:59:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work if JACK is running. Message-ID: <440B6D2E.3030207@sbcglobal.net> Well, I'm no help there as i'm running gentoo. rezound worked great out of portage... maybe you should just roll your own. I think checkinstall can make those deb binary packages, so if you want to keep your system clean you should probably do something like get the tar gz, tar -xfz rezound.tar.gz cd rezound ./configure make checkinstall and if debian is at all like mandrake, you'll get to fill in some fields about your new binary package. then you should be able to use your package manager to distribute the files to there respective directories and whala. i hope some debian guy will stear you straight if i'm totaly wrong here. :) Brian >Brian, I tried to install ReZound but I can not. I did it through >synaptic but I do not have a menu item for ReZound. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu >[mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Brian >Dunn >Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:44 PM >To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu >Subject: > >Have you tried rezound? I don't know what your specific needs are, but >this thing is jack/ladspa enabled and it works great for editing >samples/loops. > >rezound.sourceforge.net From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Mar 5 18:07:48 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Mar 5 18:07:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. In-Reply-To: <000001c640a4$a04a5cc0$0501a8c0@lappie> References: <000001c640a4$a04a5cc0$0501a8c0@lappie> Message-ID: <1141600069.25487.4.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 22:32 +0000, Bal Dobe wrote: > Dave, I tried the network configurator but had no success with it. > > I wonder if someone can point me to a site that contains the details of > how I can connect my machine up to the net. I need something that can > really explain to me what I need to do and why. > > Cheers. It's possible that demudi simply does not support your network device (what kind is it?) and you'll have to try another distribution. Lee From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 5 18:09:50 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Sun Mar 5 18:09:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: best window manager for making music In-Reply-To: <20060305203627.07E1A968126@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060305203627.07E1A968126@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <440B6FBE.8000200@sbcglobal.net> Thanks again, lau. You've help me sort through the bazillion options out there and i'm now bedazzling myself with the glamor of fluxbox... so fresh, yet so clean. For a while i was frustrated by the absence of a good dockapp alsa mixer, then i discovered the beauty of the .fluxbox/keys file. Mod4 +, rear speakers louder. Mod4 -, rear speakers quieter. sweet. amixer provides no mute toggle for rear out of an emu10k1. so i wrote this goofy script and bound it to Mod4 m. # Check if the Wave Surround level is already 0 VOL=`amixer sget 'Wave Surround' | grep 'Front Left:' | cut --delimiter=' ' --fields=6` if [ $VOL -gt 0 ]; then #mute #store the current wave surround volume in VOL LASTVOL=`amixer sget 'Wave Surround' | grep 'Front Left:' | cut --delimiter=' ' --fields=6` #turn the sound all the way down. amixer sset 'Wave Surround' 0 echo $LASTVOL > ~/.lastvol else #unmute amixer sset 'Wave Surround' `cat ~/.lastvol` fi is this like a really dumb way to add a mute toggle? This is like my first real bash script, so any suggestions are welcome. Here i'll get the ball rolling: i should learn to use sed or awk so i don't have to pipe grep and cut together. well, thanks to ya'll my computer is looking and sounding sweeter than ever and it's oh so customized. God Bless, Brian From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Sun Mar 5 18:31:05 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (Bal Dobe) Date: Sun Mar 5 18:31:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. In-Reply-To: <1141600069.25487.4.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <000001c640ac$dfea61b0$0501a8c0@lappie> Lee I connect to the internet via a 3com router, using PPPoE while demudi is tying to connect using PPPoA. I do have other distros that are able to connect to the internet, Xubuntu 32 and 64 bit and a 64 bit DEbian based distro called 64Studio. I do wonder why demudi would not be able to support my router. Can I not just copy a file fm one of my other distros? Bal. -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Lee Revell Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 11:08 PM To: A list for linux audio users Subject: RE: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 22:32 +0000, Bal Dobe wrote: > Dave, I tried the network configurator but had no success with it. > > I wonder if someone can point me to a site that contains the details of > how I can connect my machine up to the net. I need something that can > really explain to me what I need to do and why. > > Cheers. It's possible that demudi simply does not support your network device (what kind is it?) and you'll have to try another distribution. Lee __________ NOD32 1.1431 (20060305) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From yves_p at nnx.com Sun Mar 5 18:36:45 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Sun Mar 5 18:36:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. In-Reply-To: <000001c640a4$a04a5cc0$0501a8c0@lappie> References: <440AFF7D.5030707@woh.rr.com> <000001c640a4$a04a5cc0$0501a8c0@lappie> Message-ID: <20060305233645.GB10400@localhost> Le 05 Mar ? 22:32, Bal Dobe ecrivait: > Dave, I tried the network configurator but had no success with it. > > I wonder if someone can point me to a site that contains the details of > how I can connect my machine up to the net. I need something that can > really explain to me what I need to do and why. It's difficult to help as long as you don't indicate the way you connect to the internet, but if you have a DSL connection, the command pppoeconf, as root, will do the job. AFAIK it's the standard way in Debian. Good luck, Y. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Mar 5 18:41:05 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Mar 5 18:41:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. In-Reply-To: <000001c640ac$dfea61b0$0501a8c0@lappie> References: <000001c640ac$dfea61b0$0501a8c0@lappie> Message-ID: <1141602066.25487.8.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 23:31 +0000, Bal Dobe wrote: > Lee > > I connect to the internet via a 3com router, using PPPoE while demudi is > tying to connect using PPPoA. > > I do have other distros that are able to connect to the internet, > Xubuntu 32 and 64 bit and a 64 bit DEbian based distro called 64Studio. > > > I do wonder why demudi would not be able to support my router. Can I > not just copy a file fm one of my other distros? > No, it's not that simple. This is a bug in Demudi, your only hope is to get it fixed. Is it maintained? Lee From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Sun Mar 5 19:06:43 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (Bal Dobe) Date: Sun Mar 5 19:07:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. In-Reply-To: <20060305233645.GB10400@localhost> Message-ID: <000001c640b1$d9e17ba0$0501a8c0@lappie> I have an ADSL connection. I would be happy to describe how I connect if someone will just tell me what they need to know. -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Yves Potin Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 11:37 PM To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. Le 05 Mar ? 22:32, Bal Dobe ecrivait: > Dave, I tried the network configurator but had no success with it. > > I wonder if someone can point me to a site that contains the details of > how I can connect my machine up to the net. I need something that can > really explain to me what I need to do and why. It's difficult to help as long as you don't indicate the way you connect to the internet, but if you have a DSL connection, the command pppoeconf, as root, will do the job. AFAIK it's the standard way in Debian. Good luck, Y. __________ NOD32 1.1431 (20060305) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Sun Mar 5 19:09:40 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (Bal Dobe) Date: Sun Mar 5 19:10:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. In-Reply-To: <1141602066.25487.8.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <000101c640b2$438565d0$0501a8c0@lappie> "This is a bug in Demudi, your only hope is to get it fixed. " How can I fix it? " Is it maintained?" What do you mean? Please explain. Bal. -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Lee Revell Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 11:41 PM To: A list for linux audio users Subject: RE: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 23:31 +0000, Bal Dobe wrote: > Lee > > I connect to the internet via a 3com router, using PPPoE while demudi is > tying to connect using PPPoA. > > I do have other distros that are able to connect to the internet, > Xubuntu 32 and 64 bit and a 64 bit DEbian based distro called 64Studio. > > > I do wonder why demudi would not be able to support my router. Can I > not just copy a file fm one of my other distros? > No, it's not that simple. This is a bug in Demudi, your only hope is to get it fixed. Is it maintained? Lee __________ NOD32 1.1431 (20060305) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sun Mar 5 19:10:08 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun Mar 5 19:10:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work if JACK is running. In-Reply-To: <20060305143851.93991.qmail@web51112.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060305143851.93991.qmail@web51112.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200603060110.08327.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 05 March 2006 15:38, Balbinder Dobe wrote: > I did > > apt-get install rezound > > and I still do nto have an icon to open rezound. > > However, I am able to open it from the treminal but I > can nto play anything. This is the messages that I > got : > using path '/usr/share/rezound' for share data > directory > 'lame' executable not found in $PATH -- mp3 support > will be disabled > If rezound dies unexpectedly while seeking with the > keyboard, auto-repeat may be disabled.. if this > happens run 'rezound --fix-auto-repeat' > cannot write to working directory candidate: > /mnt/sdb6/Projects/Elliman/Stranger -- Permission > denied > Segmentation fault > > What does this mean? > > --- Bal Dobe wrote: > > Brian, I tried to install ReZound but I can not. I > > did it through > > synaptic but I do not have a menu item for ReZound. Hi Bal. I've just put Rezound on FC2 to try and help, and it looks pretty good. A lot of apps don't turn up on the menu, but if you've installed with apt-get, or aptitude, you should find the binary for it in /usr/bin, and the icon for it is in /usr/share/resound. With Gnome, just right click on the destop, and choose, "Create Launcher". Fill in the name "Rezound", browse to /usr/bin/rezound to enter the command to start it, and click on the "No Icon" box, and browse to /usr/share/rezound, and choose the icon for it. Job done. I do get an error box when starting it, but closing this then opens up the Rezound GUI. I tried a .wav file in it and it works ok, but am not sure if the error is a problem. According to the intro to it, it is still beta, so you should perhaps expect the odd problem. Nigel. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu > > [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] > > On Behalf Of Brian > > Dunn > > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:44 PM > > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > > Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity will not work > > if JACK is running. > > > > Have you tried rezound? I don't know what your > > specific needs are, but > > this thing is jack/ladspa enabled and it works great > > for editing > > samples/loops. > > > > rezound.sourceforge.net > > > > Brian > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1428 (20060303) Information > > __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: > > http://messenger.yahoo.de > > ___________________________________________________________ > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! > Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Mar 5 19:16:55 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Mar 5 19:17:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. In-Reply-To: <000101c640b2$438565d0$0501a8c0@lappie> References: <000101c640b2$438565d0$0501a8c0@lappie> Message-ID: <1141604216.25487.20.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 00:09 +0000, Bal Dobe wrote: > "This is a bug in Demudi, your only hope is to get it fixed. " > > How can I fix it? > > " Is it maintained?" > > What do you mean? Please explain. Most distributions have mailing lists and bug tracking systems where you can report this kind of thing. Lee From pirrone at localnet.com Sun Mar 5 19:28:54 2006 From: pirrone at localnet.com (pirrone) Date: Sun Mar 5 19:27:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. In-Reply-To: <1141600069.25487.4.camel@mindpipe> References: <000001c640a4$a04a5cc0$0501a8c0@lappie> <1141600069.25487.4.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <440B8246.9080809@localnet.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 22:32 +0000, Bal Dobe wrote: > >> Dave, I tried the network configurator but had no success with it. >> >> I wonder if someone can point me to a site that contains the details of >> how I can connect my machine up to the net. I need something that can >> really explain to me what I need to do and why. >> >> Cheers. >> > > It's possible that demudi simply does not support your network device > (what kind is it?) and you'll have to try another distribution. > > Lee > Yeah, Bal, try doing an "ifconfig eth0 up" followed by a simple "ifconfig" to see if eth0 has indeed come up and if it's settings are complete (IP, netmask, etc.). Post results here for "expert" interpretation. Frank p.s. Here's a piece of mine (ifconfig) for your reference: eth0 xxxx inet addr:172.16.16.1 Bcast:172.16.16.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 xxxx UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 xxxx From pirrone at localnet.com Sun Mar 5 19:45:50 2006 From: pirrone at localnet.com (pirrone) Date: Sun Mar 5 19:44:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: best window manager for making music In-Reply-To: <440B6FBE.8000200@sbcglobal.net> References: <20060305203627.07E1A968126@music.columbia.edu> <440B6FBE.8000200@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <440B863E.2050301@localnet.com> Brian Dunn wrote: > Thanks again, lau. You've help me sort through the bazillion options > out there and i'm now bedazzling myself with the glamor of fluxbox... > so fresh, yet so clean. > For a while i was frustrated by the absence of a good dockapp alsa > mixer, then i discovered the beauty of the .fluxbox/keys file. Mod4 > +, rear speakers louder. Mod4 -, rear speakers quieter. sweet. > amixer provides no mute toggle for rear out of an emu10k1. so i wrote > this goofy script and bound it to Mod4 m. > > # Check if the Wave Surround level is already 0 > VOL=`amixer sget 'Wave Surround' | grep 'Front Left:' | cut > --delimiter=' ' --fields=6` > if [ $VOL -gt 0 ]; then > #mute > #store the current wave surround volume in VOL > LASTVOL=`amixer sget 'Wave Surround' | grep 'Front Left:' | cut > --delimiter=' ' --fields=6` > #turn the sound all the way down. > amixer sset 'Wave Surround' 0 > echo $LASTVOL > ~/.lastvol > else > #unmute > amixer sset 'Wave Surround' `cat ~/.lastvol` > fi > > > is this like a really dumb way to add a mute toggle? This is like my > first real bash script, so any suggestions are welcome. Here i'll get > the ball rolling: i should learn to use sed or awk so i don't have to > pipe grep and cut together. > > well, thanks to ya'll my computer is looking and sounding sweeter > than ever and it's oh so customized. > > God Bless, > Brian > > Perfectly fine way to get Fluxbox to do what you need. I've been using it for years and remain completely satisfied by the efficiency and productivity of working in this environment. I'll share one thing with you on the chance that you find MC (Midnight Commander) as useful and powerful as I do. First the entry from my ~/.fluxbox/keys file that brings it up with a "Mod1 f" in Eterm with everything turned off - no window frame, no title bar, no menu bar, no scroll bars, and with transparency: Mod1 f :ExecCommand Eterm --trans --borderless --scrollbar off --buttonbar off --geometry 100x44+185+65 --font 10x20 --foreground-color white -e mc >/dev/null 2>&1 Then the ~/.mc/ini [Colors] section that sets up transparency and other good display colors for the various file types: [Colors] base_color=normal=white,default:directory=white,default:marked=yellow,default:selected=gray,white:executable=brightgreen,default:link=lightgray,default:stalelink=brightred,default:special=brightblue,default:device=magenta,default:editnormal=white,default Ok, that requires scrolling from here to the next state, but no real problem. Anyway, what this will give you when you press Mod1 f is the magic appearance of MC "floating" in the middle of your Fluxbox screen with only the program's contents visible. Everything else is transparent and the rest is simply superimposed on the screen. If you do a ctrl-o to "shell out" of MC you'll see the command prompt eerily floating on the screen near the upper left. Executing any command with standard output will have that text simply scroll upon the screen, again floating against a transparent background with no window, no frame, no title, no menu, no scroll bars, nothing but the content. Sorry, but I still find that very cool, and along with 3DDesk where my 4 workspaces zoom out to a carousel which whirls around allowing me to choose and zoom back into whichever one I need just at a push of Mod1 3, are the two things I always show a prospective "convert" whenever I demo one of my systems. Frank From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Mar 5 21:17:20 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Mar 5 21:17:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <1141585433.14714.80.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060304151630.8169E93295F@music.columbia.edu> <200603040744060780.00972708@mail.imbris.net> <20060304191049.2abec149@mistral.stie> <1141519175.14714.25.camel@mindpipe> <20060305082225.3ab1dc9b@mistral.stie> <1141585433.14714.80.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <440B9BB0.5010909@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Lee Revell wrote: > You seem to be comparing cultured Europeans to American hicks, but you > can go to the south of France or the mountains of Switzerland and find > people who are the European equivalent of dumb ass rednecks in the US. So true. Britain is just as bad or worse. I spent years feeling culturally impoverished, despite living in a country that has history on its history. There is something to be said for having a cultural connection to the land by birthright, which is something only Native Americans get over there. I believe culture is a product of people's reactions and relationship to their environment, so actually all culture is valid, even if it's only 30 years old, like rave culture. The exciting thing is that culture is a living thing that we are all inextricably part of, so it's next to impossible to attempt to get an outside perspective. We need to stop looking to other cultures for salvation and realise that we are the people we've been waiting for ... and get on with it. And you're right, this has nothing whatsoever to do with Linux Audio in French. ;) cheers, tim hall /|\ From lanas at securenet.net Sun Mar 5 21:37:55 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sun Mar 5 21:38:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <440B9BB0.5010909@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060304151630.8169E93295F@music.columbia.edu> <200603040744060780.00972708@mail.imbris.net> <20060304191049.2abec149@mistral.stie> <1141519175.14714.25.camel@mindpipe> <20060305082225.3ab1dc9b@mistral.stie> <1141585433.14714.80.camel@mindpipe> <440B9BB0.5010909@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060305213755.7c12c664@mistral.stie> On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 02:17:20 +0000 tim hall wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > > You seem to be comparing cultured Europeans to American hicks, but > > you can go to the south of France or the mountains of Switzerland > > and find people who are the European equivalent of dumb ass > > rednecks in the US. > So true. You can find dumbasses everywhere. The hard fact that a vast majority of people in the whole world were against the invasion of Irak and a vast majority of Americans were for it does not mean that you can't find dumbasses in the vast majority of people in the world or that you can't find intelligent people in the country of Frank Zappa. Only extremist, short-sighted people would think otherwise. > Britain is just as bad or worse. No comment on that one :-) Really. > We need to stop looking to other cultures for salvation and realise > that we are the people we've been waiting for ... and get on with it. Yep, it's high time for a third major politcal party that's not funded by the same interest as the other two. Do it while people remember where the U.S.of A. are located on the map of the globe ;-) So, in good faith, let's listen to good American bands like Djam Karet, Boud Deun, and the Smoking Grannies. Can't say that there ain't good music in America ! From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Mar 5 21:38:56 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Mar 5 21:39:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. In-Reply-To: <1141602066.25487.8.camel@mindpipe> References: <000001c640ac$dfea61b0$0501a8c0@lappie> <1141602066.25487.8.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <440BA0C0.6010903@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 23:31 +0000, Bal Dobe wrote: > >>Lee >> >>I connect to the internet via a 3com router, using PPPoE while demudi is >>tying to connect using PPPoA. >> >>I do have other distros that are able to connect to the internet, >>Xubuntu 32 and 64 bit and a 64 bit DEbian based distro called 64Studio. >> >> >>I do wonder why demudi would not be able to support my router. Can I >>not just copy a file fm one of my other distros? >> > > > No, it's not that simple. > > This is a bug in Demudi, your only hope is to get it fixed. Is it > maintained? I doubt this is a bug in demudi, I'm fairly sure the network configuration tools are no different to those in Debian or Ubuntu. I don't understand why you're using either PPPoE or PPPoA, Bal, you would use these for connecting directly to a modem, surely? Have a look and check how the other distros are doing it - I would expect them to talk directly to the router via a straightforward network connection. If you really have to use PPP for this, then it could be complicated to configure. cheers, tim hall /|\ From lanas at securenet.net Sun Mar 5 21:57:05 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sun Mar 5 21:56:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: References: <20060305142130.A5ED79583D0@music.columbia.edu> <200603050820300450.0078E468@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <20060305215705.33cf70c5@mistral.stie> On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:44:57 -0500 "Dan Easley" wrote: > certainly america has a culture; it's not one i'm particularly fond > of, but it's also so diversified that i must claim ownership and > alliance with bits of it, and lifelong enmity towards other parts. > still, judging its value as a whole or in part is so difficult as to > be misleading. let's say robert wyatt is my janet jackson - it would > be as rude of me to force others to listen to wyatt as it is of others > to make me listen to janet. Glad to hear that you have TV and radio music shows that plays more than the same run-of-the-mill payola without falling into the 'classic rock' trap. I understand then that you do not feel that a certain choice of music is imposed on you. But up here in the northern part of America there's none, even if you pay $100 per month for cable TV. I do not say that the four basic musc TV channels in Germany are a lot better, but at least when zapping you may hear interesting stuff from time to time (like Rammstein's 'Amerika' ;-) while up here it's 100% not interesting. > certainly i read this list and work with linux audio tools while my > roommates watch people shoot at each other on the tv. i don't think > i'm any better than those guys - in fact, i wish i were as easily > amused. Strange goal to attain... Especially since there are so many shootings in schools in the USA (I didn't say there are none elsewhere, I've just underlined the quantity). > i must take the canonized developer's attitude on this. don't like > our culture? submit a bug report, or learn to code a patch. Yes, a cabbage patch ;-) > yours in america, proud land of harry partch and kurt vonnegut, Vonnegut recently at a US campus (audience filled at 2,000 capacity) had quite a few strong words against the US government. Many intellectuals in the USA do. Take Lewis Lapham, editor of Harper's Magazine (founded in 1850 something) who was doing a talk at Ottawa University recently. There's a good number of these fine people in the USA, but they are outweighted significantly and that's the second point I earlier mentioned: interest. General interest. When it lies in bing-bang shootings on the tube, what do you expect ? A strong democratic country with 4 or 5 strong political parties none of them having the same financial support background ? I don't think so, and that's the same everywhere in the world. The mass of people matters, not only individuals that you see once in a while, because it's after all the mass that makes the country. I think the mood is set for some 'Music for the Masses' ;-) Cheers. From lee at rockingtiger.com Sun Mar 5 22:04:01 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Sun Mar 5 22:04:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Web-based collaborative band/musicians app? Message-ID: <27717291.81141614241222.JavaMail.root@mugen> ----- torbenh@gmx.de wrote: > On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 02:44:43AM +0900, hard off wrote: > > no, i mean like actual jamming..in realtime. > > > > still science fiction, yeah? i think it must be getting closer > > though. i have had some pretty good realtime phone conversations. > > don't get much lag over the phone line. > > > > of course sending actual audio data would be crazy, cos there's not > > even very good live audio streaming available yet....but simple > > control data must be possible, right? Kind of off topic, but the Asterisk PBX can send a 64kbit RTP stream in realtime with no latency. The current implementation is for voice only, so the ulaw codec is fixed at a mono stream at 8000hz. Not too practical for music. I would guess that it's not impossible to up the bitrate a little by hacking the source to allow for a mono 44100hz stream. The transport is UDP, therefore it'll simply drop packets that don't get there. There's also the issue of signalling. The current sane options are SIP and IAX2. SIP seems like overkill. I'd go with IAX2. I could imagine a situation where you run an IAX2 softphone with JACK inputs through a hacked Asterisk PBX. Science fiction? Not at all. Hard? Probably. -lee From jesse at essej.net Sun Mar 5 23:33:45 2006 From: jesse at essej.net (Jesse Chappell) Date: Sun Mar 5 23:33:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour crash when move the playing cursor In-Reply-To: <4409AD68.8060205@gmail.com> References: <44087605.6010701@gmail.com> <200603031949.36257.ebasta@comcast.net> <200603031957.04907.espame@comcast.net> <4409AD68.8060205@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/4/06, Carlos Pino wrote: > E wrote: > > >I get exactly the same thing. In fact any kind of GUI movement crashes either > >Jack or Ardour. > > > >Asus a7n8x Deluxe 2800 amd > >Delta 1010lt > >1gig ddr > >Archlinux latest > >(tried both as root and set_limits - there seems to be problem with pam at the > >moment.) > > > > > > > I have not pam (don't know enougth about it yet),but realtime lsm > with 2.6.15.5rt18. > > >>On Friday 03 March 2006 08:59, Carlos Pino wrote: > >>Hi there,I found an issue with ardour 0.99-1 and 0.99-2,that make > >>crash the app if I move the playing cursor,with the mouse, during the > >> > >> > > >reproduction of the tracks.It doesn't happens with 0.99,that works really > > > > > >>smooth.Also tryed with the cvs version with same results. > >>Anybody got the same or similar? Is there something to do to avoid > >>these? Can you send a more descriptive message of exactly what you are doing to the ardour-users mailing list? Let's take this discussion there... jlc From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Mon Mar 6 03:25:07 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (Bal Dobe) Date: Mon Mar 6 03:25:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. In-Reply-To: <440BA0C0.6010903@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <000201c640f7$7a5c7fe0$0501a8c0@lappie> Tim Maybe I am mistaken about using PPPoE, but that is what my router manual suggests should be my settings. I believe that demudi is not even able to see the router, which is connected via one of the network ports. How can I check to see what the other distros are doing? Bal. -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of tim hall Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:39 AM To: A list for linux audio users Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 23:31 +0000, Bal Dobe wrote: > >>Lee >> >>I connect to the internet via a 3com router, using PPPoE while demudi is >>tying to connect using PPPoA. >> >>I do have other distros that are able to connect to the internet, >>Xubuntu 32 and 64 bit and a 64 bit DEbian based distro called 64Studio. >> >> >>I do wonder why demudi would not be able to support my router. Can I >>not just copy a file fm one of my other distros? >> > > > No, it's not that simple. > > This is a bug in Demudi, your only hope is to get it fixed. Is it > maintained? I doubt this is a bug in demudi, I'm fairly sure the network configuration tools are no different to those in Debian or Ubuntu. I don't understand why you're using either PPPoE or PPPoA, Bal, you would use these for connecting directly to a modem, surely? Have a look and check how the other distros are doing it - I would expect them to talk directly to the router via a straightforward network connection. If you really have to use PPP for this, then it could be complicated to configure. cheers, tim hall /|\ __________ NOD32 1.1431 (20060305) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From rncbc at rncbc.org Mon Mar 6 04:35:36 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Mon Mar 6 04:36:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] QjackCtl 0.2.20 released! Message-ID: <23310.195.245.190.93.1141637736.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> Greetings, So here comes the time for another public release of the (cute) JACK Audio Connection Kit - Qt Interface: QjackCtl 0.2.20 is out! Just as one can read from the change log: - Server path setting now accepts custom command line parameters (after a kind suggestion from Jussi Laako). - The internal XRUN callback notification statistics and reporting has been changed to be a bit less intrusive. - Patchbay socket dialog gets some more eye-candy as icons have been added to the client and plug selection (combobox) widgets. - Connections and patchbay lines coloring has changed just slightly :) - New patchbay socket forwarding feature. Any patchbay socket can now be set to have all its connections replicated (i.e. forwarded) to another one, which will behave actively as a clone of the former. Forward connections are shown by vertical directed colored lines, and can be selected either on socket dialog or from context menu (currently experimental, only applicable to input/writable sockets). - Optional specification of alternate JACK and/or ALSA installation paths on configure time (after a patch from Lucas Brasilino, thanks). Available from the usual places: http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/projects/qjackctl Enjoy. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From rncbc at rncbc.org Mon Mar 6 04:37:38 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Mon Mar 6 04:38:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Qsynth 0.2.5 released! Message-ID: <24973.195.245.190.93.1141637858.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> Greetings, So here comes the time for another public release of the (cute) FluidSynth Qt Interface: Qsynth 0.2.5 is out! Just as one can read from the change log: - New dial-knob behavior now follows mouse pointer angular position, almost similar to old QDial, but this time avoiding that nasty and rather abrupt change on first mouse click. - By simple use of widget subclassing, the value/position of any dial knob can now be reset to its default or original position at any time, by simply pressing the mouse mid-button. These default value positions are just committed to current dial values when switching engines and/or closing the application. - Optional specification of alternate fluidsynth installation path has been added to configure command arguments (--with-fluidsynth). - After some source code tweaks, a win32 build is now possible (instructions will be provided on demand :) - Bank offset finally gets its due effect, while on the channels and channel preset selection dialogs. Regretfully, the soundfont bank offset feature has been lurking ever since its inception, but now its live and hopefully effective. - A new fancy widget has arrived, qsynthKnob, with some modifications to replace the actual *ugly* QDial widgets in the main window. This widget is based on a design by Thorsten Wilms, formerly implemented by Chris Cannam in Rosegarden, and finally adapted and brought to Qsynth by Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas. Thankyou all. Available from the usual places: http://qsynth.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/projects/qsynth Enjoy. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From mista.tapas at gmx.net Mon Mar 6 05:40:45 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Mon Mar 6 05:41:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. In-Reply-To: <000201c640f7$7a5c7fe0$0501a8c0@lappie> References: <440BA0C0.6010903@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <000201c640f7$7a5c7fe0$0501a8c0@lappie> Message-ID: <20060306114045.5fcf67c2@mango.fruits.de> On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:25:07 -0000 "Bal Dobe" wrote: > Tim > > Maybe I am mistaken about using PPPoE, but that is what my router manual > suggests should be my settings. > > I believe that demudi is not even able to see the router, which is > connected via one of the network ports. > > How can I check to see what the other distros are doing? The normal mode of operation with a modern router/modem combo is that the router handles all the ADSL/PPPoE stuff. To your local lan it just looks like a normal gateway. And usually one with a DHCP server in it, too. So, basically, if your router is setup correctly (they usually offer a webinterface) and your ethernet card driver is loaded in linux (check i.e. the output of ifconfig -a (as root)), all you need to do is dhclient eth0 and after that you should be set. This command gives your box an ip address, default router, etc. At least you should now be able to access the router's webinterface to configure your username/pw etc. for the ADSL connection. Usually the router sits on an address like 192.168.0.1 (check the manual). Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From pinojazz at gmail.com Mon Mar 6 06:38:15 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Mon Mar 6 06:37:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour crash when move the playing cursor In-Reply-To: References: <44087605.6010701@gmail.com> <200603031949.36257.ebasta@comcast.net> <200603031957.04907.espame@comcast.net> <4409AD68.8060205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <440C1F27.7060702@gmail.com> Jesse Chappell wrote: >On 3/4/06, Carlos Pino wrote: > > >>E wrote: >> >> >> >>>I get exactly the same thing. In fact any kind of GUI movement crashes either >>>Jack or Ardour. >>> >>>Asus a7n8x Deluxe 2800 amd >>>Delta 1010lt >>>1gig ddr >>>Archlinux latest >>>(tried both as root and set_limits - there seems to be problem with pam at the >>>moment.) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> I have not pam (don't know enougth about it yet),but realtime lsm >>with 2.6.15.5rt18. >> >> >> >>>>On Friday 03 March 2006 08:59, Carlos Pino wrote: >>>>Hi there,I found an issue with ardour 0.99-1 and 0.99-2,that make >>>>crash the app if I move the playing cursor,with the mouse, during the >>>> >>>> >>>>reproduction of the tracks.It doesn't happens with 0.99,that works really >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>smooth.Also tryed with the cvs version with same results. >>>>Anybody got the same or similar? Is there something to do to avoid >>>>these? >>>> >>>> > >Can you send a more descriptive message of exactly what you are doing >to the ardour-users mailing list? Let's take this discussion there... > >jlc > > > ok From lanas at securenet.net Mon Mar 6 07:38:20 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Mon Mar 6 07:35:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LinuxMAO.org, a french Linux Audio Wiki In-Reply-To: <1141585433.14714.80.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060304151630.8169E93295F@music.columbia.edu> <20060305082225.3ab1dc9b@mistral.stie> <1141585433.14714.80.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200603060738.20462.lanas@securenet.net> Le Dimanche 5 Mars 2006 14:03, Lee Revell a ?crit?: > On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 08:22 -0500, lanas wrote: > > As for the second point I mentioned, people having in general more > > interests in things, this is very flagrant with the percentage of > > Americans not caring what Bush has lead them to so far. > > Thirty something percent? Quite recently. Takes a lot to bring it down. That was not the case in 2003 when most of the whole world was demonstrating against the invasion of Irak and Americans were all for it. They still would be if it was not for the falling job market and all the billions invested under the auspices of lies and the minimal deaths on the US side. Even in the last election, they did not vote for a real alternative. Sure, percentage in favor will continue to go down. Guess what. The USA will be still doing the same in 10 years from now if they have sufficient money to do it. Convincing people ? By choice or by force. People should express themselves much more clearly. Say you live in Boston. Say there's a study showing that Boston if a very violent city, worldwide. Say that you live a peaceful life and never had any problems whatsoever. Won't you be tempted to say, nay, Boston ain't a violent city at all ? That would be not getting it. > > Political > > chitchat in America often boils down to echoing something heard on > > TV. > > I don't watch TV and neither do most of my friends There's not an awful good choice to start with anyways. > > In Europe you at least get the feel that the individual has given > > some thought to the matter. > You seem to be comparing cultured Europeans to American hicks, but you > can go to the south of France or the mountains of Switzerland and find > people who are the European equivalent of dumb ass rednecks in the US. What with people in the south of France ? Are you referencing the Maghrebian population ? Or the people in the mountains of Switzerland ? I've never heard they were particularly dumb. Now, if what you meant were Belgians... ;-))))))))))) OK, 'twas nice to make a short detour on culture, politics and other interests, and I admire the list to tolerate this. Now these topics should nevertheless come to an end shortly, I think. Cheers. From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Mar 6 07:43:22 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Mar 6 07:44:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: Music distribution in the internet age - I'm confused. In-Reply-To: <440ADDE2.80700@poeticstudios.com> References: <440ADDE2.80700@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: lol... yeah, good ol' 'make money without blood, seat and tears' gig. What do you think of this guy's site? http://tipping.selfpromotion.com/ Carlo From cesare at poeticstudios.com Mon Mar 6 08:14:28 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Mon Mar 6 08:14:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: Music distribution in the internet age - I'm confused. In-Reply-To: References: <440ADDE2.80700@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <440C35B4.5050909@poeticstudios.com> Carlo Capocasa wrote: >lol... yeah, good ol' 'make money without blood, seat and tears' gig. > >What do you think of this guy's site? > >http://tipping.selfpromotion.com/ > >Carlo > > > > > This is exactly what I believe, and this is the way I choosed to take for my own music. If you want to listen to my music without paying, this is fine with me. Actually, I'm honoured that you like my music and pleased to know you're listening to it. But if you really appreciate it, you'll care for me, and maybe eventually make a donation. I know this topic is subjective and I don't want to start another flamewar, but I wouldn't like to receive money from people just because that is the only way they can obtain my material. Obviously this approach doesn't work if you plan to buy a Ferrari with the money earned from your artistic career, since people will stop making donations when they'll see you wearing Dolce & Gabbana. But I'm not interested in such lifestyle anyway. In fact - feeling guilty of living in a society that kills innocent people on my behalf to take their gas - I've decided to sell my Punto and not to buy another car. p.s. For those who didn't get it, my previous post was meant to show one of the many contradictions that arise when you're stuck with an old mindset. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Mon Mar 6 08:21:06 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Mon Mar 6 08:21:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. In-Reply-To: <000201c640f7$7a5c7fe0$0501a8c0@lappie> References: <000201c640f7$7a5c7fe0$0501a8c0@lappie> Message-ID: <440C3742.1010401@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Bal Dobe wrote: > Tim > > Maybe I am mistaken about using PPPoE, but that is what my router manual > suggests should be my settings. > > I believe that demudi is not even able to see the router, which is > connected via one of the network ports. > > How can I check to see what the other distros are doing? Bal, the questions you are asking go beyond the specific expertise of certainly me, and to an extent this list. I'm not saying don't ask, just that you sound like you need some intensive hand-holding in order to get started, first you need to train yourself up to ask questions in a way that will get you the answers you need. The problems you are facing are really similar to what I had to do when I first started using Linux, many of them, once you've figured them out, you will probably thankfully forget. I'm like this with PPP - Nowadays I will do anything I have to, including buying a different modem, to avoid having to configure PPP. However, the fact that your other three installs work out of the box, makes me think that a normal network connection should work - I don't know how to check for these things properly - If a window opens up in gkrellm, I assume its working. ;] I found my local Linux Users Group very handy for these sort of problems - eth0/ppp configuration is very similar in all Linux distros. The first two links here were essential for me to understand how to get the best results out of mailing lists and the software you have installed for troubleshooting purposes. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://wiki.debian.org/ http://www.linux.org/ And for A/DeMuDi specific questions, of course there is users@lists.agnula.org - although you will probably get repeats of the same answers that you just got here, but if you really think you have hit a bug that would be the right place to mention it. Sorry, I can't be any more immediate help on this subject, good luck! cheers, tim hall /|\ From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Mar 6 08:32:25 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Mar 6 08:36:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: slightly OT: supercomputer music In-Reply-To: References: <1141539861.3100.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: >(realtime and mpi? i don't think so.) Damn. Carlo From jazzride at laposte.net Mon Mar 6 08:38:26 2006 From: jazzride at laposte.net (jazzride) Date: Mon Mar 6 08:39:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. In-Reply-To: <440C3742.1010401@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <000201c640f7$7a5c7fe0$0501a8c0@lappie> <440C3742.1010401@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: tim hall wrote: > Bal Dobe wrote: >> Tim >> Maybe I am mistaken about using PPPoE, but that is what my router manual >> suggests should be my settings. >> I believe that demudi is not even able to see the router, which is >> connected via one of the network ports. >> >> How can I check to see what the other distros are doing? > > Bal, the questions you are asking go beyond the specific expertise of > certainly me, and to an extent this list. I'm not saying don't ask, just > that you sound like you need some intensive hand-holding in order to get > started, first you need to train yourself up to ask questions in a way > that will get you the answers you need. The problems you are facing are > really similar to what I had to do when I first started using Linux, > many of them, once you've figured them out, you will probably thankfully > forget. I'm like this with PPP - Nowadays I will do anything I have to, > including buying a different modem, to avoid having to configure PPP. > However, the fact that your other three installs work out of the box, > makes me think that a normal network connection should work - I don't > know how to check for these things properly - If a window opens up in > gkrellm, I assume its working. ;] > > I found my local Linux Users Group very handy for these sort of problems > - eth0/ppp configuration is very similar in all Linux distros. > > The first two links here were essential for me to understand how to get > the best results out of mailing lists and the software you have > installed for troubleshooting purposes. > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > http://wiki.debian.org/ > http://www.linux.org/ > > And for A/DeMuDi specific questions, of course there is > users@lists.agnula.org - although you will > probably get repeats of the same answers that you just got here, but if > you really think you have hit a bug that would be the right place to > mention it. > > Sorry, I can't be any more immediate help on this subject, good luck! > > cheers, > > tim hall > /|\ > Hi i use ethernet card : it works I only had to activate the connection that's all... regards From bengan at sunet.se Mon Mar 6 08:39:30 2006 From: bengan at sunet.se (Bengt =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6rd=E9n?=) Date: Mon Mar 6 08:40:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: Music distribution in the internet age - I'm confused. In-Reply-To: References: <440ADDE2.80700@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <200603061439.31057.bengan@sunet.se> m?ndagen den 6 mars 2006 13.43 skrev Carlo Capocasa: > lol... yeah, good ol' 'make money without blood, seat and tears' gig. > > What do you think of this guy's site? > > http://tipping.selfpromotion.com/ Very interesting. This could be a way. The only problem I see is that we need a way to do micro payments. There have been a few proposals but nothing that seems to work. PayPal is one way but way to troublesome to work with. And there seems to be some concern about their policy. I would like to pay a fraction of a dollar/euro/kronor sometime. And it needs to be fast. I would gladly "tip" for all the software that I use on my machines. Especially for LMMS, Hydrogen, MuSE, Ardour, Jack, Zynaddsubfx, Timemachine, Linux-kernel, KDE etc. regards, -- - Bengan ------------------------------------------------------------- - KTHNOC/SUNET/NORDUnet | http://www.noc.kth.se/~bengan | 08-7906586 - From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Mar 6 08:41:15 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Mar 6 08:42:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] QjackCtl 0.2.20 released! In-Reply-To: <23310.195.245.190.93.1141637736.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> References: <23310.195.245.190.93.1141637736.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> Message-ID: Hi there! Thanks tons for keeping it 'Q' Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Mar 6 08:50:38 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Mar 6 08:51:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: Music distribution in the internet age - I'm confused. In-Reply-To: <200603061439.31057.bengan@sunet.se> References: <440ADDE2.80700@poeticstudios.com> <200603061439.31057.bengan@sunet.se> Message-ID: > I would gladly "tip" for all the software that I use on my machines. > Especially for LMMS, Hydrogen, MuSE, Ardour, Jack, Zynaddsubfx, Timemachine, > Linux-kernel, KDE etc. Exactly what I've been thinking about. I also think we need a way to reward people who are making libraries, compilers, kernel patches, the kernel itself as you mention... And then reward them FIRST. A tool could be written to analyse the computer's contents, and then make a list of intelligent default percentages for a given donation. Which then could be customized on a scale of 'use every day' and 'installed just for testing'. Library donations would be adjusted accordingly. This tool would have to actually scan for software and run independantly of packaging systems. It could be coupled with this site: http://donorge.org/ Heh :) Thanks for adding to the mental effort. Carlo From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Mar 6 09:23:43 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Mar 6 08:54:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. In-Reply-To: <440C3742.1010401@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <000201c640f7$7a5c7fe0$0501a8c0@lappie> <440C3742.1010401@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <440C45EF.1040502@woh.rr.com> tim hall wrote: > Bal, the questions you are asking go beyond the specific expertise of > certainly me, and to an extent this list. I'm not saying don't ask, > just that you sound like you need some intensive hand-holding in order > to get started, first you need to train yourself up to ask questions > in a way that will get you the answers you need. The problems you are > facing are really similar to what I had to do when I first started > using Linux, many of them, once you've figured them out, you will > probably thankfully forget. I'm like this with PPP - Nowadays I will > do anything I have to, including buying a different modem, to avoid > having to configure PPP. However, the fact that your other three > installs work out of the box, makes me think that a normal network > connection should work - I don't know how to check for these things > properly - If a window opens up in gkrellm, I assume its working. ;] > [snip] Hi Tim, hi Bal: Alas, Bal's experience only echoes what I've gone through so many times. I don't know why network connectivity has rarely been transparent for me, but there you have it. I use a shell script to launch my net connection under RH9 on my desktop machine because it won't automatically connect. A simple '/etc/init.d/network start' does the trick; however, on my laptop, with the same version of RH9 and connected to the same router, everything autoconnects just fine (except that sometimes the system simply doesn't see my network hardware, a PCMCIA interface). My desktop machine has a Tulip ethernet interface connected to a cable modem. The modem heads to a Linksys router. I believe that perhaps the Tulip interface and/or hardware is the real culprit here, and neither Debian nor RH9 handle it well. To reiterate, the only way I can connect with my Demudi system is to use pump to knock eth0 out of the ifconfig report, then start the net connection with 'ifup eth0'. It works fine then, but if I close the connection with ifdown and leave it closed for a long while (say 8 hours or longer) I have to reboot the machine so the system finds the interface again. So, is this Debian's problem, a kernel driver problem, an Ethernet interface problem, or a router problem ? I don't know and I don't care to spend the time finding out. Bal, I'm sorry I can't be more helpful. Tim's advice is good, you should definitely join the Demudi mail-list (if you haven't already) and ask there too (if you haven't already). But keep at it: If you've had this hardware working for you under another Linux system, you'll get it working under Demudi. Btw, I'm running Demudi 1.3 here. Best, dp From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Mon Mar 6 08:59:09 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Mon Mar 6 09:00:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Midisport Message-ID: <440C402D.1020604@chapelperilous.net> Anyone used an M-Audio Midisport (like the 2x2 or 4x4)? How well do they work under Linux? I see they are supported in ALSA via EZ-USB. -- Brett -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Mar 6 09:35:52 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Mar 6 09:06:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Midisport In-Reply-To: <440C402D.1020604@chapelperilous.net> References: <440C402D.1020604@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <440C48C8.5010305@woh.rr.com> Brett McCoy wrote: > Anyone used an M-Audio Midisport (like the 2x2 or 4x4)? How well do > they work under Linux? I see they are supported in ALSA via EZ-USB. Works fine here. I use it to connect my laptop to a Kawai K4r. Best, dp From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Mon Mar 6 09:08:11 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Mon Mar 6 09:09:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Midisport In-Reply-To: <440C48C8.5010305@woh.rr.com> References: <440C402D.1020604@chapelperilous.net> <440C48C8.5010305@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <440C424B.8050809@chapelperilous.net> Dave Phillips wrote: > Brett McCoy wrote: > >> Anyone used an M-Audio Midisport (like the 2x2 or 4x4)? How well do >> they work under Linux? I see they are supported in ALSA via EZ-USB. > > > Works fine here. I use it to connect my laptop to a Kawai K4r. Excellent. I am finding myself lately running out of MIDI channels and need an additional interface. Too many damn instruments... :-) -- Brett -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Mar 6 09:23:49 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon Mar 6 09:23:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. In-Reply-To: <3248794.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <3248794.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <200603061523.49975.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 05 March 2006 15:21, baldobe wrote: > I had a read through this: > http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/DocumentsFaq#TheXWindowgraphicalsystemfailsto >start > > To see how I can get my demudi distro to connect to the internet but I am > getting nowhere. > I loaded up Network settings and added a connection for eth0 Lan card but > when I tell it to conenct it just does nothing. The mouse pointer still > works but I get no reponse from anything and I still can not connect to the > internet. > > Can someone guide me through this process please. > > Many thanks. > Bal. Hi Bal. Just a thought, as the network works with the other distro's. I know I had problems with Debian not loading the 8139too driver for my Realtek8139 network card and had to add it to /etc/modules. Will you post the output of lsmod , so as to see which modules are loading. And also the output of lspci , so as to check the network card. Nigel. > > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/agnula-demudi-unable-to-acces-the-internet.-t1228409. >html#a3248794 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From artemio at kdemail.net Mon Mar 6 09:27:11 2006 From: artemio at kdemail.net (Artemiy Pavlov) Date: Mon Mar 6 09:27:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Rhythm Galaxy vol. 1 drum/percussion sample library In-Reply-To: <20060305195112.51508.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060305195112.51508.qmail@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200603061627.11666.artemio@kdemail.net> > How dare you eat when there's a huge empty cultural > void in the U.S.? You selfish bastard! Just for this > I'm going to the kitchen to make myself a peanut > butter and jelly sandwich which I'm gonna roll on like > a dog does with shit. Then I'll return later on to > sing the merits of saturated fat. LMAO ;-) > Keep up the good work, Thanks a lot! Artemiy. From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Mar 6 10:05:29 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Mar 6 10:06:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] QjackCtl 0.2.20 released! In-Reply-To: References: <23310.195.245.190.93.1141637736.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> Message-ID: ... and, coding it, of course :) I use it all the time. Carlo From terakuma at imbris.net Mon Mar 6 10:13:40 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Mon Mar 6 10:14:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Rhythm Galaxy vol. 1 drum/percussion sample library In-Reply-To: <20060305203628.15FAE96812B@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060305203628.15FAE96812B@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603060713400400.005D6253@mail.imbris.net> Artemiy, I did not find your announcement offensive or inappropriate - (but then I differ w/ most folks here on just about everything.) :) Some people get their knickers in a twist about the pettiest things. Perhaps it does qualify as advertising and is not allowed on the list - I didn't see anything about it in the rules one way or the other, only: "It's a place for all things audio, but they should be viewed from a user's perspective." I think a useful collection of drum samples, whether for free or a modest price, certainly fits within that description. (If the list is to be restricted only to free oss then perhaps that should be better clarified in the list rules.) Personally, I think it's great that you're trying to get some compensation for your hard work and are offering it at such an affordable price. It's nice to know one can get good samples without having to shell out $300+ for them. Thanks for the link, and best of luck to you with your continuing endeavors. [BTW - hey list members: whatever you're doing *for_a_living* - I want it for free! Really! That way we won't need to try to make any money from our music. Free housing, free food, free gas, free everything - then free art makes sense too. JMNHO] - Maluvia >Guys, > >thanks for your understanding and little misunderstanding. > >To Peter: > >1. It *was" an announcement, I do not ever "advertise". Or you want to say >that if it's free product then it's an annoucemenet, and if it's not, this >is >an advertisement? I didn't yet know about such specifics in OSS >terminology ;-) > >2. I didn't say the sounds are great, I said "amazing" and "superb" ;-) > >3. I don't think anyone ever released a commercial library for Linux >software, >so at least I thought you developers should know I did. > >Please take my apologies to anyone who my post hurt. But anyway I am a >little >surprised by how unwelcome any Linux-for-audio promotiing intentions like >mine appeared to be to some of you. I must say that, still, there were >much >more positive reaction to this commercial Linux sound library from users >who >have been awating for some changes for a while. > >Anyway, for those whose ears fade away when they hear a word "commercial", >please see: http://rolandclan.info/en/samples/index/ > >;-) > > >Yours, > >Artemiy. From rncbc at rncbc.org Mon Mar 6 10:14:58 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Mon Mar 6 10:16:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] QjackCtl 0.2.20 released! In-Reply-To: References: <23310.195.245.190.93.1141637736.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> Message-ID: <13353.195.245.190.94.1141658098.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> On Mon, March 6, 2006 13:41, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Hi there! > > > Thanks tons for keeping it 'Q' > Thankyouall, but ... I'm affraid missing what you mean with 'Q' ? BR -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Mar 6 11:56:22 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Mar 6 12:05:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] QjackCtl 0.2.20 released! In-Reply-To: <13353.195.245.190.94.1141658098.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> References: <23310.195.245.190.93.1141637736.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> <13353.195.245.190.94.1141658098.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> Message-ID: > Thankyouall, but ... I'm affraid missing what you mean with 'Q' ? The ambiguity demon in me has struck again. He enjoys puzzledness. The meaning is, you created 'QJactCtl', not 'KJackCtl', and hence I may use it without also installing the KDE libraries and associates. Carlo From ce at christeck.de Mon Mar 6 12:51:56 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Mar 6 12:51:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Midisport In-Reply-To: <440C424B.8050809@chapelperilous.net> References: <440C402D.1020604@chapelperilous.net> <440C48C8.5010305@woh.rr.com> <440C424B.8050809@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <200603061851.56884.ce@christeck.de> > Excellent. I am finding myself lately running out of MIDI channels > and need an additional interface. Too many damn instruments... :-) The MS 8x8 works very well here. It needs a firmware loaded but there's midisport_fw by Clemens Ladisch (all credits go to him). Best regards ce From dana at ubuntustudio.com Mon Mar 6 13:00:29 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Mon Mar 6 13:00:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Rhythm Galaxy vol. 1 drum/percussion sample library In-Reply-To: <200603060713400400.005D6253@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060305203628.15FAE96812B@music.columbia.edu> <200603060713400400.005D6253@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30603061000u486e8352g258c305a88b44fd@mail.gmail.com> On 3/6/06, Maluvia wrote: > [BTW - hey list members: whatever you're doing *for_a_living* - I want it > for free! Really! > That way we won't need to try to make any money from our music. > Free housing, free food, free gas, free everything - then free art makes > sense too. Free telemarketing? What's your home number? From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Mon Mar 6 13:07:57 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (baldobe) Date: Mon Mar 6 13:08:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Horrible buzzing sound from speakers when PC switched off Message-ID: <3266480.post@talk.nabble.com> I have just put back my Audiophile 2496 SC into my DAW and when I shut down the system I get a terrible bizzing sound comng from the speakers. The AP2496 is connected to an A&H analogue mixing desk and the speakers are Mackie 824s. I am running various distros and it happend on all them. The buzzing goes when I switch the pc on. If I boot up into windows I get a sharp hissing sound which I sort out by not picking the SPDIF I/O. What is going on here??? I have checked in alsamixer and there is nothing there that would indicate why I get this sound which only occurs when the machine is switched off. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Horrible-buzzing-sound-from-speakers-when-PC-switched-off-t1234760.html#a3266480 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Mar 6 14:20:30 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Mar 6 14:19:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Midisport In-Reply-To: <200603061851.56884.ce@christeck.de> References: <440C402D.1020604@chapelperilous.net> <440C48C8.5010305@woh.rr.com> <440C424B.8050809@chapelperilous.net> <200603061851.56884.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20060306192030.3f2e422e@localhost> On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:51:56 +0100 Christoph Eckert wrote: > > > Excellent. I am finding myself lately running out of MIDI channels > > and need an additional interface. Too many damn instruments... :-) > > The MS 8x8 works very well here. It needs a firmware loaded but there's > midisport_fw by Clemens Ladisch (all credits go to him). > > > Best regards > > > ce Ditto here with 2x2 -- F From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Mar 6 14:21:43 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon Mar 6 14:21:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Horrible buzzing sound from speakers when PC switched off In-Reply-To: <3266480.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <3266480.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <200603062021.43416.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Monday 06 March 2006 19:07, baldobe wrote: > I have just put back my Audiophile 2496 SC into my DAW and when I shut down > the system I get a terrible bizzing sound comng from the speakers. > > The AP2496 is connected to an A&H analogue mixing desk and the speakers are > Mackie 824s. > > I am running various distros and it happend on all them. The buzzing goes > when I switch the pc on. Hi Bal. That sounds like the sort of thing you'd expect from a bad ground/earth/return connection. For instance. If only the left and right channels were connected, but the screen was disconnected, that is the sort of sound (more of a loud hum) that you would expect. It is worth checking that the ground/earth connections are good, on both the computer, mixer, and amps That is for the 240volt power connections. Also when the computer is switched off, try removing the line output from the computer, and seeing if anything changes. Then put it back, and remove the line input, and see for changes. I presume the screw is in to hold the soundcard in place, but there is so much metal in contact, that, that shoudn't be the problem. It might be worth trying different cables to connect from the computer to the mixing desk, just in case there is a faulty one. PLEASE. Don't electrocute yourself in the process. Nigel. > > If I boot up into windows I get a sharp hissing sound which I sort out by > not picking the SPDIF I/O. I get that problem on FC2 with an Ensoniqs ens1371 card until I mute IEC958. > > What is going on here??? > > I have checked in alsamixer and there is nothing there that would indicate > why I get this sound which only occurs when the machine is switched off. > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/Horrible-buzzing-sound-from-speakers-when-PC-switched >-off-t1234760.html#a3266480 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at > Nabble.com. From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Mon Mar 6 14:40:54 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Mon Mar 6 14:34:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Horrible buzzing sound from speakers when PC switched off In-Reply-To: <3266480.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <3266480.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20060306194054.GA4751@linux-1> On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 10:07:57AM -0800, baldobe wrote: > > I have just put back my Audiophile 2496 SC into my DAW and when I shut down > the system I get a terrible bizzing sound comng from the speakers. > > The AP2496 is connected to an A&H analogue mixing desk and the speakers are > Mackie 824s. > > I am running various distros and it happend on all them. The buzzing goes > when I switch the pc on. The distro probably doesn't matter when the PC is off ;-) What type of input are you using on the mixer (mic / line / high-Z) ? What type of cable and connectors ? What happens when you disconnect at the PC end, or at the mixer end ? A shielding or earth loop problem could give this type of trouble. When the PC / audio card is powered up, its output impedance will be very low and that could hide the problem. Anyway it isn't really wise to switch the PC on or off with the mixer channels open. If without the buzzing you could get a loud bang. -- FA From daneasley at gmail.com Mon Mar 6 15:29:05 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Mon Mar 6 15:29:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Rhythm Galaxy vol. 1 drum/percussion sample library In-Reply-To: <200603060713400400.005D6253@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060305203628.15FAE96812B@music.columbia.edu> <200603060713400400.005D6253@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: On 3/6/06, Maluvia wrote: > [BTW - hey list members: whatever you're doing *for_a_living* - I want it > for free! Really! i work in public broadcasting - go right ahead! (and, if you're a us citizen, thanks for the two dollars from your yearly taxes! aye, there's the rub. can something be half-free?) > That way we won't need to try to make any money from our music. my music got better and more fun when i stopped trying that. your mileage, of course, may vary, and you might want to eat better than me. > Free housing, free food, free gas, free everything - then free art makes > sense too. that'd be sweet, so long as i could paint the house a different color, add pepper, use it for a combustion powered kitchen robot, and ignore the rest. art's free regardless, if you can wait a few centuries. -- dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com daneasley@gmail.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From seablaede at gmail.com Mon Mar 6 15:36:44 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Mon Mar 6 15:34:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Horrible buzzing sound from speakers when PC switched off In-Reply-To: <20060306194054.GA4751@linux-1> References: <3266480.post@talk.nabble.com> <20060306194054.GA4751@linux-1> Message-ID: <440C9D5C.20503@gmail.com> Heh Hey Baldo, didnt realise you posted here, I suppose I could have avoided reccomending here as a good resource for you in that response I just finished;) Seablade From domain.admin at online.ie Mon Mar 6 15:43:44 2006 From: domain.admin at online.ie (Hiram Abiff) Date: Mon Mar 6 15:43:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse and MIDI Syncing stuff Message-ID: <20060306214344.0uosdtv3moggocwo@mail.online.ie> greetings! I've been messing with Muse a lot recently and there is one thing I haven't been able to manage completely. and that thing is, you've guessed it, MIDI syncing. I own a DR-880 Drum Machine which I connect via a USB cable to my computer and use it as a MIDI device in the qjackctl pathcbay I then proceed to add the DR-880 in Midi Ports/Soft Synths in Muse, after which Midi Ports/Soft Synths shows an Instrument named "generic midi" and a device named "DR-880" followed by: "Play:Device or resource busy". I don't understand why Muse says it's busy when nothing is playing on it. I set up MIDI Sync so that Muse is the Master and turn on "MIDI Clock" and "MIDI Machine Control" and set the port to 3 'cause that's the port I used in MIDI Ports/Soft Synths for the DR-880. So, finally when I press play in Muse the DR-880 starts playing. yay, great. But my enthusiasm didn't last for long as I was soon to find out that when I skip playback in Muse to a certain point or rewind it back the DR-880 keeps on playing. And this is EXTREMELY annoying and discouraging, especially for long songs where I have to play them from start each time just to record a MIDI solo on my keyboard at the last minute and it also makes music making tedious and boring. Now, what am I missing? Is Muse supposed to work this way and only sync with a MIDI device when played from the start? Or more probaly I misconfigured or my lack of knowledge is causing this. I kindly ask for any sort of help or some light on my dark path of playing the song from start to end each time I want to record a new part or edit it. Note: I figured out that I could place markers in certain points of the track where a pattern on the DR-880 is starting and then manually rewind on the DR-880 to that part when I want to start from a particular point in the song but this is also time consuming and driving me mad. Sorry for the extremely long mail but I am starting to lose my patience with this particular issue. Thnx, Hiram. -- "I happen to think that computers are the most important thing to happen to musicians since the invention of cat-gut which was a long time ago. " Robert Moog From baldobe2000 at yahoo.de Mon Mar 6 17:43:10 2006 From: baldobe2000 at yahoo.de (Bal Dobe) Date: Mon Mar 6 17:43:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. In-Reply-To: <440C3742.1010401@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <001e01c6416f$58502320$0501a8c0@lappie> Thanks for that Tim. I will see what I can achieve from the resources you pointed me to. Bal. -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of tim hall Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:21 PM To: A list for linux audio users Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] agnula/demudi unable to acces the internet. Bal Dobe wrote: > Tim > > Maybe I am mistaken about using PPPoE, but that is what my router manual > suggests should be my settings. > > I believe that demudi is not even able to see the router, which is > connected via one of the network ports. > > How can I check to see what the other distros are doing? Bal, the questions you are asking go beyond the specific expertise of certainly me, and to an extent this list. I'm not saying don't ask, just that you sound like you need some intensive hand-holding in order to get started, first you need to train yourself up to ask questions in a way that will get you the answers you need. The problems you are facing are really similar to what I had to do when I first started using Linux, many of them, once you've figured them out, you will probably thankfully forget. I'm like this with PPP - Nowadays I will do anything I have to, including buying a different modem, to avoid having to configure PPP. However, the fact that your other three installs work out of the box, makes me think that a normal network connection should work - I don't know how to check for these things properly - If a window opens up in gkrellm, I assume its working. ;] I found my local Linux Users Group very handy for these sort of problems - eth0/ppp configuration is very similar in all Linux distros. The first two links here were essential for me to understand how to get the best results out of mailing lists and the software you have installed for troubleshooting purposes. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://wiki.debian.org/ http://www.linux.org/ And for A/DeMuDi specific questions, of course there is users@lists.agnula.org - although you will probably get repeats of the same answers that you just got here, but if you really think you have hit a bug that would be the right place to mention it. Sorry, I can't be any more immediate help on this subject, good luck! cheers, tim hall /|\ __________ NOD32 1.1431 (20060305) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From ce at christeck.de Mon Mar 6 18:14:34 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Mar 6 18:14:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse and MIDI Syncing stuff In-Reply-To: <20060306214344.0uosdtv3moggocwo@mail.online.ie> References: <20060306214344.0uosdtv3moggocwo@mail.online.ie> Message-ID: <200603070014.35306.ce@christeck.de> > I kindly ask for any sort of help or some light on my dark path > of playing the song from start to end each time I want to > record a new part or edit it. I don't know if this is a bug or simply a misconfiguration, but there has been a thread about syncing in the lmuse user mailing list recently. Maybe it's a good idea to subscribe to the lmuse user maling list to get in contact with other users. Best regards ce From renatoftato at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 19:05:37 2006 From: renatoftato at yahoo.com (Renato Fabbri) Date: Mon Mar 6 19:05:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi?? What Midi?? Message-ID: <20060307000537.69975.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> I?ve tryed getting my Radium usb keybord to work for days now, its not nice. where can the probelm be? well.. I dont have that modules.conf ou conf.modules file in /etc. There is a modprobe.conf and I mess with it. Second, in console: #amidi -l Device Name and nothing more #aconnect -i -o gives me a cliente 0: ?system?[type kernel] an client 62: ?midi through? [type kernel] and nothing more.... I am using alsa for my delta 66 and it is doing fine. My Fedora Core 3 with planet ccrma is doing fine too. when alsa is turned on, it starts snd-usb-audio as it should. And I have hotplug installed. Help? thanx Renato __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hans at fugal.net Mon Mar 6 19:38:47 2006 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Mon Mar 6 19:38:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi?? What Midi?? In-Reply-To: <20060307000537.69975.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060307000537.69975.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060307003847.GA12753@falcon.fugal.net> It's possible that the firmware isn't being loaded properly. On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 at 16:05 -0800, Renato Fabbri wrote: > I?ve tryed getting my Radium usb keybord to work for > days now, its not nice. > where can the probelm be? well.. I dont have that > modules.conf ou conf.modules file in /etc. There is a > modprobe.conf and I mess with it. > Second, in console: > #amidi -l > Device Name > and nothing more > > #aconnect -i -o > gives me a cliente 0: ?system?[type kernel] > an client 62: ?midi through? [type kernel] > and nothing more.... > > I am using alsa for my delta 66 and it is doing fine. > My Fedora Core 3 with planet ccrma is doing fine too. > when alsa is turned on, it starts snd-usb-audio as it > should. And I have hotplug installed. > > Help? > > thanx > Renato > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060306/b546c9c3/attachment-0001.bin From lee at rockingtiger.com Mon Mar 6 21:08:35 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Mon Mar 6 21:08:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional Message-ID: <11042427.1271141697315556.JavaMail.root@mugen> ----- Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 13:27 -0500, Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > > Seriously? I have 2.6.12.2 and I have read reports of people > solving > > this problem with 2.6.11! How much newer is new? Doing kernel > compile > > foo is one of my least favorite things. > > > > 2.6.16 is about to be released and 2.6.15 was the last release. So > you're 3-4 versions behind. > > LOTS of bugs have been fixed in year or so since 2.6.12. I compiled 2.6.15.5 from source at kernel.org. After some anticipation, I rebooted and my mouse didn't work. Oh well. Back to 2.6.12.2. I did discover some interesting use cases where the emi26 works. Some of them make no sense at all. In particular, stereo duplex at 44100hz starts, then produces hunderds of xruns, killing jackd after a few seconds. But get this, stereo duplex at 96000hz works fine with very low latency. Unfortunately few of the files I have recorded on disk or applications that talk to jack opperate at this rate. I'm taking this to the Debian maintainer and jackit-devel list. It's obviously a problem with that code and not my kernel/device. -lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Mar 6 22:19:29 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Mar 6 22:19:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackd and usb 1.1 audio on i386 non-functional In-Reply-To: <11042427.1271141697315556.JavaMail.root@mugen> References: <11042427.1271141697315556.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <1141701570.25487.136.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 21:08 -0500, Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > I compiled 2.6.15.5 from source at kernel.org. After some > anticipation, I rebooted and my mouse didn't work. Oh well. Back to > 2.6.12.2. I did discover some interesting use cases where the emi26 > works. Some of them make no sense at all. In particular, stereo duplex > at 44100hz starts, then produces hunderds of xruns, killing jackd > after a few seconds. But get this, stereo duplex at 96000hz works fine > with very low latency. Unfortunately few of the files I have recorded > on disk or applications that talk to jack opperate at this rate. I'm > taking this to the Debian maintainer and jackit-devel list. It's > obviously a problem with that code and not my kernel/device. What if you just install the latest ALSA version, 1.0.11-rc3? You don't have to update the kernel. Lee From lee at rockingtiger.com Mon Mar 6 22:31:48 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Mon Mar 6 22:31:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian and friends Message-ID: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> Over the last few days I've been having quite a few problems with Debian stable and jack applications. I don't want to run sid or etch because I like to work with stable libraries and a base system. I'm comfortable doing backports and building packages myself. But lately I have been building so many packages myself I'm begining to feel like I'm making a little mini distro in my local apt repository. This got me thinking about potential alternatives to running sarge. So If you'll humor me for a minute, I'd like to take a little poll. This only concerns users/developers of real Debian and variants that pull from the official archives. 1) What Debian communities for audio software packaging are you a part of? 2) How do you install new releases to your system? 3) How often do you build your own kernel for audio systems? 4) If you're not running real Debian, what made you change? 5) If you are running real Debian, have you upgraded to etch or sid? I'll start by answering my own questions: 1) Not many. I'm looking through alioth and see some interesting projects but they have no notice of a package repo and the mailing lists are full of spam. 2) I usually don't. If I need to I'll try a backport, though this is failing with the version of jackd in sid. I don't know why. 3) I try not to as much as I can. Kernel compiling is a waste of time unless absolutely necessary for device support. I find myself compiling kernels for sound more than any thing else (video, web services). 4) I'm running sarge, eagerly awaiting etch. Thanks for your time... -lee From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 23:23:19 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Mon Mar 6 23:23:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian and friends In-Reply-To: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <20060307042319.27596.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> Responses are inline below. --- "Lee A. Azzarello" wrote: > 1) What Debian communities for audio software > packaging are you a part of? Musix > 2) How do you install new releases to your system? Synaptic, with default entries in /etc/apt/sources.list > 3) How often do you build your own kernel for audio > systems? Not in the last 5 months. > 4) If you're not running real Debian, what made you > change? Still use it, but it is on a slower CPU (AMD K7 500 Mhz) and doubles as desktop for work. With every kernel upgrade, I have to reinstall the Cisco VPN client for work, and that is terribly annoying (See response to question #3). I also changed because all the MIDI/audio packages I use are already included in Musix. I found a good combination of command line boot options for the Musix boot CD; I could not get Demudi to boot on my NetVista 8305. > 5) If you are running real Debian, have you upgraded > to etch or sid? Never used "stable" releases, just "testing" and did upgrades as libraries, kernel, etc required. > Thanks for your time... > > -lee > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From steve at hassard.net Mon Mar 6 23:47:14 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Mon Mar 6 23:47:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian and friends In-Reply-To: <20060307042319.27596.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> <20060307042319.27596.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <33792.192.168.1.50.1141706834.squirrel@hassard.net> On Mon, March 6, 2006 20:23, Sean Edwards wrote: >> 4) If you're not running real Debian, what made you >> change? > Still use it, but it is on a slower CPU (AMD K7 500 > Mhz) and doubles as desktop for work. With every > kernel upgrade, I have to reinstall the Cisco VPN client for work, and that > is terribly annoying (See response to question #3). I also changed You should definitely look at vpnc: http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~massar/vpnc/ I've found that it works just as well as the cisco client, and is a heck of a lot easier to deal with since it's all in userspace. later, Steve From clemens at ladisch.de Tue Mar 7 03:25:44 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue Mar 7 03:26:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi?? What Midi?? In-Reply-To: <20060307000537.69975.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060307000537.69975.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060307082544.GA9546@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Renato Fabbri wrote: > I?ve tryed getting my Radium usb keybord to work Exactly what model? Did you install the firmware loader? > I dont have that modules.conf ou conf.modules file in /etc. Those file would be used with a 2.4.x kernel. > There is a modprobe.conf and I mess with it. This is OK for 2.6 kernels. > Second, in console: > #amidi -l > Device Name > and nothing more What is the output of "lsusb" and of "lsmod"? Regards, Clemens From julien at c-lab.de Tue Mar 7 05:14:28 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue Mar 7 05:14:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler question Message-ID: Hi LinuxSamplers! I've just seen a nice gigasample library and I wonder, if it could be used with LS? For those, who wanna have a look themselves: http://www.postpiano.com Search for products, pianos "OLD LADY". The library has I think 12 velocity layers, same goes for pedal-down- and key-release-samples. It _CAN_ also use IR to give body-resonance and concert-hall reverb (but that's not so important. Anyone any ideas about that? Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From res0u2uc at verizon.net Tue Mar 7 06:17:24 2006 From: res0u2uc at verizon.net (res0u2uc@verizon.net) Date: Tue Mar 7 06:15:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian and friends In-Reply-To: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> References: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <20060307111723.GA6132@sprite> On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 Lee A. Azzarello asked: > 1) What Debian communities for audio software packaging are you a part of? none > 2) How do you install new releases to your system? Only when I need to. Recently I rebuilt my system starting with the etch network installer after breaking my system (and corrupting my apt database) after accidentally starting to upgrade hundreds of packages after requesting a package that needed to upgrade the C libraries to libc6. Quite a bit of configuring needed, even tho I could use many of my previous /etc files. There is nothing like having a stable production system! > 3) How often do you build your own kernel for audio systems? Once every two years or so. Just yesterday a new shiny 2.6.15.6 with 1000Hz clock and PREEMPT (after reading about it here.) I've been doing okay with a stock debian 2.6.12, but wanted to try flipping a few kernel settings. Not much need for patching these days. The more heavy duty realtime stuff loads your system quite a bit. > 4) If you're not running real Debian, what made you change? > 5) If you are running real Debian, have you upgraded to etch or sid? In the sarge days I would try to install a package with apt-get, and if I needed something newer would recompile from sources. Problem is, if your sources.list point only to stable, you only get old stuff, and missing a lot of the latest, newest stuff entirely. Add a couple lines and now you get newer stuff, but then you need to upgrade C libraries. I don't know how you do that in Debian. I've smashed my system every time I tried, probably because the only way I could see to do it was to use --force, which I did without really understanding (or heeding the many warnings.) In my new system, I thought I would stay with the 'etch' sources, but the siren call of prepackaged binaries has brought me to add the 'sid' package listings as well. The world is different now. I had spent weeks trying to get ardour to compile in the old days. Now I find a site that has a ardour .deb that came up right the first time! (Broken now, dunno what I did...) With the etch installer I got a 2.6 kernel out of the box. Alsa is already in there. Hotplugging USB and Firewire works much better, and now I'm about to test out the udev system for populating device nodes in /dev. Exim4 for debian comes with some simple templates for typical mail configurations. Using libc6 I can use rdiff-backup, which is the easiest, most painless, reliable system that I've ever used to back up my system. I just hacked up some scripts that use 'parted' and rdiff-backup to clone my system to another drive, with the added advantage of storing multiple file versions if I ever need them. Also works over NFS. I can use new stuff like 'powertweak' which can show me pages and pages of hardware and software parameters I could spend my whole life learning to diddle. I can find .debs for stuff like mplayer, and install the codecs I need to be able to see flash and videos and stuff and that is, I have to say, cooler than a text-and-images browser experience. That said, it is always a bit of a bear to reconfigure. I thought I would never need to do it again, but then I pressed the wrong button, and for some reasons, my tar backups didn't work quite right :-p -- Joel Roth From notmyprivateemail at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 08:22:48 2006 From: notmyprivateemail at gmail.com (Alex Polite) Date: Tue Mar 7 08:22:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aligning audiofiles for different recorders. Message-ID: Howdy I make a lot of interviews. Right now I have a two channel recorder. I connect one headset mic to each channel, put one on myself and one on the interviewee. Works kind of alright but I would rather have the interviewee wear one recorder and wear another myself. This gives us more freedom to move around during the interview. The tricky part will be to align the two separate recordings. I could probably do it manually in ardour, dragging the regions back and forth and stretching them until they line up exactly. I've googled a bit to find a tool that does this aligning automatically but haven't come up with anything. Does anybody out here know of something? alex -- Alex Polite http://flosspick.org - finding the right open source From jacob01 at gmx.net Tue Mar 7 08:26:19 2006 From: jacob01 at gmx.net (Jacob) Date: Tue Mar 7 08:26:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Web-based collaborative band/musicians app? In-Reply-To: <44093E71.7000706@student.kug.ac.at> References: <20060303102704.GE23141@localhost> <20060303104142.GH27812@fliwatut.scifi> <4408518A.8000201@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <44093E71.7000706@student.kug.ac.at> Message-ID: <20060307132619.GI8122@localhost> Hello, thanks a lot to all of you for your hints and ideas. If/when I'll manage to continue with this project, I'll drop a line here. Yours, Jacob On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 07:14:57AM +0000, Georg Holzmann wrote: > Hallo! > > >I'm sure you could do this entirely with Python, which would suit Trac. > >Not that I'd have a clue where to start, well not much of one anyway. > > You could use Plone, which already has many communication-tools, and > write an additional product in python for it ... > (where you could in example use pd or anything else and stream with an > icecast2 server ...) > a little howto you can make something (Plone and communication with pd > ...) is here: http://pdradio.iem.at/howto > (of course not that advanced as you want it ... ;) > > LG > Georg > From bourdon at kabelfoon.net Tue Mar 7 08:31:12 2006 From: bourdon at kabelfoon.net (Bert) Date: Tue Mar 7 08:30:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440D8B20.7010604@kabelfoon.net> Hello, I don't know about this one but I have a similar one (the PMI B?sendorfer 290) and that can't be loaded in LS because the file is to big. LS doesn't yet support file bigger than 2 GB it says. Regards, Bert >Hi LinuxSamplers! > I've just seen a nice gigasample library and I wonder, if it could be used >with LS? > For those, who wanna have a look themselves: > http://www.postpiano.com > Search for products, pianos "OLD LADY". > > The library has I think 12 velocity layers, same goes for pedal-down- and >key-release-samples. It _CAN_ also use IR to give body-resonance and >concert-hall reverb (but that's not so important. > Anyone any ideas about that? > Kindest regards > Julien > >-------- >Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) > >======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== >http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide > > > From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Tue Mar 7 09:09:10 2006 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Tue Mar 7 09:09:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Converting Unsigned Byte Audio to 2-Channel WAV with SOX Message-ID: <200603071409.k27E9Ahn001781@dc.cis.okstate.edu> I was once able to convert a 8K samples per second unsigned audio file gotten by sending /dev/dsp >thefile to a 44,100 samples per second stereo .wav file suitable for burning on to an audio CD. I found what I believe to have been the command I used in the form of a shell script but I get the following errors: sox: Do not support unsigned with 16-bit data. Forcing to Signed. sox: Invalid options specified to avg for this channel combination The script is: #! /bin/sh sox -r8000 -t ub cdda.ub -t wav -c 2 -w -r44100 output.wav resample .95 avg 1,1 Just for laughs, I removed the avg flag and actually got a .wav file which was the correct pitch and all, but which was full of clicks and missing pieces of sound, obviously not usable. According to the sox manual, the -r8000 isn't actually necessary since sox defaults to a 8-K sample rate. The only thing I can think of is that I have forgotten some step that I put in to the script originally or that sox has tightened up some of the syntax in the last couple of years. All I remember was that the resulting CD worked and didn't sound any worse than the original file gotten from /dev/dsp. The avg flag makes the levels correct for both channels which, in this case, are the same. Thanks for any help. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Network Operations Group From peder at musikhuset.org Tue Mar 7 09:34:04 2006 From: peder at musikhuset.org (Peder Hedlund) Date: Tue Mar 7 09:34:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Converting Unsigned Byte Audio to 2-Channel WAV with SOX In-Reply-To: <200603071409.k27E9Ahn001781@dc.cis.okstate.edu> References: <200603071409.k27E9Ahn001781@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Message-ID: > found what I believe to have been the command I used in the form of a > shell script but I get the following errors: > > sox: Do not support unsigned with 16-bit data. Forcing to Signed. > sox: Invalid options specified to avg for this channel combination > > #! /bin/sh > sox -r8000 -t ub cdda.ub -t wav -c 2 -w -r44100 output.wav resample .95 avg 1,1 I think the first message is just a warning. The latter is the error, saying you can't use "avg 1,1" in this case. Try removing that entry since the sox manual claims "If the avg effect is not specified on the command line it will be invoked internally with default parameters." And if I understand the manual correctly avg is only used to reduce the number of channels, not increasing it. If the file sounds corrupt then perhaps it is corrupted during the capture. I sometimes have to convert a 16kHz mono wav to 44.1kHz stereo and I use "sox in-16kHz-mono.wav -c 2 -r 44100 out-44kHz-stereo.wav" Also check your sox version. The latest seems to be 12.17.9 - Peder From rtp405 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 7 09:52:35 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Tue Mar 7 09:52:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aligning audiofiles for different recorders. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060307145235.75163.qmail@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> two wireless lavs two channels of compression one very small mixer one small recording device I don't see an easier way than that. Editing afterwards has gotta drive you nutty. It would me. I work with a television content production truck that does five camera and multiple audio source jobs. Audio and visual sources from the shoot are produced to final product. The director might edit to add something later but it's generally very small stuff. ron --- Alex Polite wrote: > Howdy > > I make a lot of interviews. Right now I have a two > channel recorder. I > connect one headset mic to each channel, put one on > myself and one on > the interviewee. Works kind of alright but I would > rather have the > interviewee wear one recorder and wear another > myself. This gives us > more freedom to move around during the interview. > > The tricky part will be to align the two separate > recordings. I could > probably do it manually in ardour, dragging the > regions back and forth > and stretching them until they line up exactly. > > I've googled a bit to find a tool that does this > aligning > automatically but haven't come up with anything. > > Does anybody out here know of something? > > alex > > -- > Alex Polite > http://flosspick.org - finding the right open source > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From arnold.krille at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 10:05:58 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Tue Mar 7 10:06:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Aligning audiofiles for different recorders. In-Reply-To: <20060307145235.75163.qmail@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060307145235.75163.qmail@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80603070705i1a2247e2y27a8615e0355a8bc@mail.gmail.com> 2006/3/7, R Parker : > two wireless lavs > two channels of compression > one very small mixer > one small recording device Why the mixer? For preamping? That would be before the compressor. For mixing? If the recorder has two channels its better to record both mics to separate channels and mix later. Even the compression could be done later if the recorder has a good input amp and enough (digital) headroom for low-level recordings... In my current situation I would connect two (wireless) lavs directly to my tascam-usb-interface and record with timemachine or something similar and mix/compress later on. My 0.002?... Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From hans at fugal.net Tue Mar 7 10:10:25 2006 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Tue Mar 7 10:10:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian and friends In-Reply-To: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> References: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <20060307151025.GA26931@falcon.fugal.net> On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 at 22:31 -0500, Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > 1) What Debian communities for audio software packaging are you a part of? Debian and Demudi. > 2) How do you install new releases to your system? Apt-get, for the most part. I run testing (etch). > 3) How often do you build your own kernel for audio systems? Once every version or so. > 4) If you're not running real Debian, what made you change? Demudi had more packages. But demudi is mostly real debian now so I've come full circle. > 5) If you are running real Debian, have you upgraded to etch or sid? > 1) Not many. I'm looking through alioth and see some interesting projects but they have no notice of a package repo and the mailing lists are full of spam. > 2) I usually don't. If I need to I'll try a backport, though this is failing with the version of jackd in sid. I don't know why. I used to have issues with a split of packages - some wanting a newer jack and some wanting an older one. Haven't had problems in at least a couple of months, I don't think. > 3) I try not to as much as I can. Kernel compiling is a waste of time unless absolutely necessary for device support. I find myself compiling kernels for sound more than any thing else (video, web services). I find dealing with stock kernels to be a waste of time. It takes me five minutes to answer the make oldconfig questions. > 4) I'm running sarge, eagerly awaiting etch. Stop waiting. -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060307/c4f3bd6e/attachment-0001.bin From arnold.krille at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 10:12:06 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Tue Mar 7 10:12:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: QjackCtl 0.2.20 released! In-Reply-To: References: <23310.195.245.190.93.1141637736.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> <13353.195.245.190.94.1141658098.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> Message-ID: <2def88b80603070712h6f0154cdic59dd7d46fb3ed00@mail.gmail.com> 2006/3/6, Carlo Capocasa : > > Thankyouall, but ... I'm affraid missing what you mean with 'Q' ? > The ambiguity demon in me has struck again. He enjoys puzzledness. The > meaning is, you created 'QJactCtl', not 'KJackCtl', and hence I may use > it without also installing the KDE libraries and associates. I want to chime in with the laudatio! But I am glad it is 'Q'JackCtl and not GJackCtl :-) Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From phil at rephil.org Tue Mar 7 10:33:38 2006 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Tue Mar 7 10:33:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Aligning audiofiles for different recorders. In-Reply-To: <20060307151037.0C23D9B6BDB@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060307151037.0C23D9B6BDB@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <39349.130.179.26.225.1141745618.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> > I make a lot of interviews. Right now I have a two channel recorder. I > connect one headset mic to each channel, put one on myself and one on > the interviewee. Works kind of alright but I would rather have the > interviewee wear one recorder and wear another myself. This gives us > more freedom to move around during the interview. > > The tricky part will be to align the two separate recordings. I could > probably do it manually in ardour, dragging the regions back and forth > and stretching them until they line up exactly. It's a lot easier to syncronize the word clocks when recording! The best solution is *one* wireless mic (for the interviewee) and you get to keep the recorder, your own mic, and the receiver. That way you can still all walk around. With two recorders, you really want a way to share word clock. You might get away with two recorders, but if you *do* develop a problem, that will _really_ drive you nuts in the editing room! If you have a budget for a second recorder, I'd get it to have a spare (or redundant recording!) Cheers, Phil M -- Dept. of Mathematics, 342 Machray Hall U. of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3T 2N2 Office: 446 Machray Hall, 204-474-6470 http://www.rephil.org/ phil at rephil dot org From notmyprivateemail at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 10:34:34 2006 From: notmyprivateemail at gmail.com (Alex Polite) Date: Tue Mar 7 10:34:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aligning audiofiles for different recorders. In-Reply-To: <20060307145235.75163.qmail@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060307145235.75163.qmail@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 3/7/06, R Parker wrote: > two wireless lavs > two channels of compression > one very small mixer > one small recording device > I did consider a solution along these lines but rejected it: 1) I have to invest i a lot of expensive equipment. 2) I have to carry that equipment around. 3) It'll probably be hard to find battery powered equipment. 4) If I want to add another interviewee the two channel recorder I have now will not do. I use the Iriver H340 recorder with the Rockbox firmware. It's consumer grade but quite adequate for my purposes (FM radio and podcast). I want my setup to remain affordable and easy to move. Also I have now tested to align the audio files from different recorders using ardour and is quite doable, but somewhat time consuming. So the question is just if it can be automated. alex -- Alex Polite http://flosspick.org - finding the right open source From philicorda at ntlworld.com Tue Mar 7 10:35:08 2006 From: philicorda at ntlworld.com (philicorda) Date: Tue Mar 7 10:35:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Aligning audiofiles for different recorders. In-Reply-To: <20060307151037.217509B6BDC@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060307151037.217509B6BDC@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1141745708.11991.11.camel@localhost> > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:22:48 +0100 > From: "Alex Polite" > Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aligning audiofiles for different > recorders. > Howdy > > I make a lot of interviews. Right now I have a two channel recorder. I > connect one headset mic to each channel, put one on myself and one on > the interviewee. Works kind of alright but I would rather have the > interviewee wear one recorder and wear another myself. This gives us > more freedom to move around during the interview. > > The tricky part will be to align the two separate recordings. I could > probably do it manually in ardour, dragging the regions back and forth > and stretching them until they line up exactly. > > I've googled a bit to find a tool that does this aligning > automatically but haven't come up with anything. > > Does anybody out here know of something? You could try using a clapper board, or anything that makes a sharp click. It should get picked up by both mics. Then, when you come to align the two recordings, you just line up the clicks at the start and they will be in sync. If both recorders are digital then they should stay in sync for quite a while. You should not need to do any time stretching. This is the old way of getting two recorders (a camera and location sound) to sync, and works quite well. It's still used nowadays when people are too cheap (like me) to do proper time code. > > alex From notmyprivateemail at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 10:38:30 2006 From: notmyprivateemail at gmail.com (Alex Polite) Date: Tue Mar 7 10:38:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Aligning audiofiles for different recorders. In-Reply-To: <1141745708.11991.11.camel@localhost> References: <20060307151037.217509B6BDC@music.columbia.edu> <1141745708.11991.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On 3/7/06, philicorda wrote: > > You could try using a clapper board, or anything that makes a sharp > click. > It should get picked up by both mics. Then, when you come to align the > two recordings, you just line up the clicks at the start and they will > be in sync. > yep. figured that one out already. -- Alex Polite http://flosspick.org - finding the right open source From mista.tapas at gmx.net Tue Mar 7 11:01:15 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Tue Mar 7 11:01:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian and friends In-Reply-To: <33792.192.168.1.50.1141706834.squirrel@hassard.net> References: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> <20060307042319.27596.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> <33792.192.168.1.50.1141706834.squirrel@hassard.net> Message-ID: <20060307170115.62517659@mango.fruits.de> On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:47:14 -0800 (PST) "Stephen Hassard" wrote: > You should definitely look at vpnc: > http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~massar/vpnc/ > > I've found that it works just as well as the cisco client, and is a heck > of a lot easier to deal with since it's all in userspace. Yeah, you need the tuntap interface though. I use it, too, though with great success. All my poor windows buddies suffer random disconnects here in my university wireless lan. vpnc just works and works. Might have other reasons though. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From rtp405 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 7 11:02:05 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Tue Mar 7 11:02:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Aligning audiofiles for different recorders. In-Reply-To: <2def88b80603070705i1a2247e2y27a8615e0355a8bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060307160205.40612.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Arnold Krille wrote: > 2006/3/7, R Parker : > > two wireless lavs > > two channels of compression > > one very small mixer > > one small recording device > > Why the mixer? > > For preamping? That would be before the compressor. > For mixing? If the recorder has two channels its > better to record both > mics to separate channels and mix later. That isn't necesarry, it's time consuming and time is money. What I described with the television truck is productions that have a requirement for good production quality. We produce final product in the field as a rule. Our product always meets or exceeds the quality expectation. This is an enviroment where zero tolerance for error is the rule. If an error, best case can be a client that doesn't pay. The worst case is someone loses their job. Disclaimer: My assertions are based on actual experience acquired over a number of years of doing this work professionaly. They are not college level hypotheses so it's likely I'm to naive and belligerent to see or admit to the shortcomings in producing final product from live events while in the field. :) In all seriousness productions like the one described are done with the methods I describe. ron Even the > compression could be > done later if the recorder has a good input amp and > enough (digital) > headroom for low-level recordings... > > In my current situation I would connect two > (wireless) lavs directly > to my tascam-usb-interface and record with > timemachine or something > similar and mix/compress later on. > > My 0.002?... > > Arnold > > -- > visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ > --- > Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder > Britney Spears wirklich > verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen > Stapel Brenner und > einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mista.tapas at gmx.net Tue Mar 7 11:04:41 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Tue Mar 7 11:04:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian and friends In-Reply-To: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> References: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <20060307170441.1a581939@mango.fruits.de> On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 22:31:48 -0500 (EST) "Lee A. Azzarello" wrote: > 1) What Debian communities for audio software packaging are you a part of? The nice thing is that debian is so good, that i don't even need a community site for it. I sometimes ask a question in the #debian channel on irc.freenode.org, but that's about it. I'm a pretty long time user though. > 2) How do you install new releases to your system? Errm, depends. Once or twice in a month i do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade > 3) How often do you build your own kernel for audio systems? Depends. Once a month maybe, or every second month. > 5) If you are running real Debian, have you upgraded to etch or sid? I run debian unstable (dunno what it's release name is). Backporting is too much of a hassle.If i build from source i don't bother to make a debian package. I just install it to /usr/local and am done with it. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From kevinc at doink.com Tue Mar 7 11:08:54 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Tue Mar 7 11:09:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] expander/gate plugin? Message-ID: <20060307160855.97B3A4068@joseph.doink.com> Is there a LADSPA expander gate plugin that I could use with Ardour and/or Audacity? The SWH SC[1-4] compressor plugins work nicely, now that I upgraded to something newer than a 2004 release. ;-) Thanks much.... -- Kevin From rhkramer at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 11:23:00 2006 From: rhkramer at gmail.com (Randy Kramer) Date: Tue Mar 7 11:23:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aligning audiofiles for different recorders. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200603071123.01517.rhkramer@gmail.com> On Tuesday 07 March 2006 08:22 am, Alex Polite wrote: > The tricky part will be to align the two separate recordings. I could > probably do it manually in ardour, dragging the regions back and forth > and stretching them until they line up exactly. > > I've googled a bit to find a tool that does this aligning > automatically but haven't come up with anything. > > Does anybody out here know of something? Would it be easier (and not too expensive) to get a wireless mike (or two)? Randy Kramer From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Mar 7 11:29:32 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Mar 7 11:29:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian and friends In-Reply-To: <20060307151025.GA26931@falcon.fugal.net> References: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> <20060307151025.GA26931@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <1141748973.767.15.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 08:10 -0700, Hans Fugal wrote: > I find dealing with stock kernels to be a waste of time. It takes me > five minutes to answer the make oldconfig questions. > Of course it takes forever if you read and try to understand every question. Just hit "enter" a bunch of times. Lee From arnold.krille at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 11:35:04 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Tue Mar 7 11:35:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Aligning audiofiles for different recorders. In-Reply-To: <20060307160205.40612.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <2def88b80603070705i1a2247e2y27a8615e0355a8bc@mail.gmail.com> <20060307160205.40612.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80603070835x4e164377k6b7dbead4d2c5b8@mail.gmail.com> 2006/3/7, R Parker : > --- Arnold Krille wrote: > > 2006/3/7, R Parker : > > > two wireless lavs > > > two channels of compression > > > one very small mixer > > > one small recording device > > Why the mixer? > > For preamping? That would be before the compressor. > > For mixing? If the recorder has two channels its > > better to record both > > mics to separate channels and mix later. > That isn't necesarry, it's time consuming and time is > money. What I described with the television truck is > productions that have a requirement for good > production quality. We produce final product in the > field as a rule. Our product always meets or exceeds > the quality expectation. This is an enviroment where > zero tolerance for error is the rule. If an error, > best case can be a client that doesn't pay. The worst > case is someone loses their job. Okay, thanks for the explanation. I just figured a single person cluttering around at the interviewees house struggling with wireless-set, compressor, mixer and recorder (which might be laptop + external interface) which all need power and a lot of cords to connect them and something doesn't work as it should and the interviewee has only limited time for you and you waste it by adjusting levels on three-to-four different devices... I think (*) the simpliest solution for on the field recording and offline processing would be a single sphere-condensor-mic with a small recorder. and doing compression etc. afterwards in the studio when you don't have to deal with the excitement of being "on the job". Of course, if you have several people to do the job you can have a transportable rack with all the devices in it and one (or more) technician only responsible for doing the audio perfectly. Arnold, who would love to be the technician for such a professional team with their equipment :-) (*) Disclaimer: I don't earn money with audio-work... -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Tue Mar 7 12:05:56 2006 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Tue Mar 7 12:06:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Converting Unsigned Byte Audio to 2-Channel WAV with SOX Message-ID: <200603071705.k27H5uhn070274@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Peder Hedlund writes: > If the file sounds corrupt then perhaps it is corrupted during > the capture. If I cat the original PCM file which is unsigned 8-bit mono >/dev/dsp, it sounds normal. I think the corruption occurs when that unsigned byte audio is read as signed audio. Thank you. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Network Operations Group From lee at rockingtiger.com Tue Mar 7 12:10:11 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Tue Mar 7 12:10:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian and friends Message-ID: <27147229.1731141751411697.JavaMail.root@mugen> ----- res0u2uc@verizon.net wrote: > Problem is, if your sources.list point only to stable, you > only get old stuff, and missing a lot of the latest, newest > stuff entirely. Add a couple lines and now you get newer > stuff, but then you need to upgrade C libraries. > > I don't know how you do that in Debian. I've smashed my > system every time I tried, probably because the only way I > could see to do it was to use --force, which I did without > really understanding (or heeding the many warnings.) It's called backporting. You add a deb-src line for sid in sources.list, apt-get source , apt-get build-dep , enter the source directory, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot and theoretically you should have an updated package for sarge. But the libc6 upgrade messed that up for some packages. I recently backported jackd and libjack from sid but they won't install without removing /every single/ package from sarge that depends on the old libjack. I'm assuming this is because the newer libjack is not backwards compatible or the current sid package has some broken dependencies. > With the etch installer I got a 2.6 kernel out of the box. > Alsa is already in there. Both of these are in the sarge installer. To install with 2.6, type linux26 at the d-i boot prompt. To install alsa, install discover and alsa-base then run alsaconf. > That said, it is always a bit of a bear to reconfigure. > I thought I would never need to do it again, but then I > pressed the wrong button, and for some reasons, my tar > backups didn't work quite right :-p It took me a while to understand debconf and the way maintainers split packages. That said reconfiguration is simple using Debian tools. It can get hairy if you are pulling packages from all over the place. I think my sources.list file on my development box has about 20 lines! -lee From daneasley at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 12:15:21 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Tue Mar 7 12:15:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Aligning audiofiles for different recorders. In-Reply-To: <2def88b80603070835x4e164377k6b7dbead4d2c5b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <2def88b80603070705i1a2247e2y27a8615e0355a8bc@mail.gmail.com> <20060307160205.40612.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2def88b80603070835x4e164377k6b7dbead4d2c5b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/7/06, Arnold Krille wrote: > 2006/3/7, R Parker : > > --- Arnold Krille wrote: > > > 2006/3/7, R Parker : > > That isn't necesarry, it's time consuming and time is > > money. What I described with the television truck is > > productions that have a requirement for good > > production quality. We produce final product in the > I just figured a single person cluttering around at the interviewees > house struggling with wireless-set, compressor, mixer and recorder > (which might be laptop + external interface) which all need power and > a lot of cords to connect them and something doesn't work as it should > and the interviewee has only limited time for you and you waste it by > adjusting levels on three-to-four different devices... in my experience (pub. tv, radio) you either a.) have a crew of at least two, preferably three, and produce final product live to storage media in-field, or b.) you have one to two guys in field and you put it together in an editor back home. i prefer the latter, but most of my colleagues prefer the former, for the reasons ron stated. i think i just get better work done left alone in a dark, windowless room. a second person in the field is always welcome and never affordable. if putting it together in an editor later, i'd prefer people on separate channels, to cover my butt relative dynamics wise. that said, i usually (in tv interviews) put the lavalier mics through a mixer into one channel of the recorder (a camcorder, in this case), and the camera's mic (an omni) into the other channel, as a lousy quality backup, in case either lav or the mixer craps out. our equipment's old. this would be a two-person crew - one person interviewing while the other runs camera and the mixer. of course, if anybody sways around too much in their chair, it gets difficult to keep them in frame. more people in the field is always better - the chance of scaring your subject with a big crew is far less important than having lots of people to remember to bring batteries. -- dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com daneasley@gmail.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Mar 7 12:44:04 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Mar 7 12:40:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Aligning audiofiles for different recorders. In-Reply-To: References: <2def88b80603070705i1a2247e2y27a8615e0355a8bc@mail.gmail.com> <20060307160205.40612.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2def88b80603070835x4e164377k6b7dbead4d2c5b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141753444.7625.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> in terms of automating the alignment, it seems that ardour should probably add a new feature: "position sync point at loudest sample". then you just make sure you have a loud reference point in each file, set up the sync points, and then align them all to a single reference region. alas, it does not have that feature at this time. From v2 at iki.fi Tue Mar 7 12:45:24 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Tue Mar 7 12:45:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] expander/gate plugin? In-Reply-To: <20060307160855.97B3A4068@joseph.doink.com> References: <20060307160855.97B3A4068@joseph.doink.com> Message-ID: <1141753524.3831.4.camel@puppeli> On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 08:08 -0800, Kevin Cosgrove wrote: > Is there a LADSPA expander gate plugin that I could use with > Ardour and/or Audacity? The SWH SC[1-4] compressor plugins > work nicely, now that I upgraded to something newer than a 2004 > release. ;-) The same package (swh-plugins) contains a gate. It's simply named "Gate". Also, the package contains an expander called: SE4. -- Sampo Savolainen From phil at rephil.org Tue Mar 7 12:59:58 2006 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Tue Mar 7 13:00:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aligning audiofiles for different recorders. In-Reply-To: <20060307174051.178EF9BD2E5@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060307174051.178EF9BD2E5@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <54254.130.179.26.225.1141754398.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> > in terms of automating the alignment, it seems that ardour should > probably add a new feature: "position sync point at loudest sample". > then you just make sure you have a loud reference point in each file, > set up the sync points, and then align them all to a single reference > region. > > alas, it does not have that feature at this time. Hi, Paul, My worst days in audio and audio for video usually involved the kind of "wild sync" that is being discussed here. If the drift between channels is small enough to avoid problems, it will be easy enough to align by hand. If not, it won't help anyway. If you're ever going to marry the audio to video -- and the audio is longer than a minute or two -- then God have mercy on your soul! One wild clock is bad enough; two isn't even funny. Loudest sample is a criteria that can result in false positives -- especially if the recording is a field recording, not a studio recording. There is a point -- reached quite soon -- where it would be better to take the two sources back to analog, so that they can be rerecorded in the studio with a single A/D than to monkey with them in the asychronous state. Be a pal, a remember that good habits don't have to be broken! "One clock to rule them all..." ;) Don't encourage sloppy sync! Save yourself the work, and add a cooler feature instead -- like "Auto-Improve Lyrics"! I've been playing with Ardour, but am not sure if it has the equivalent of "Sync to Mark" that I used to use in Sonic, but that's a nice compromise between automated and manual. Cheers, Phil M -- Dept. of Mathematics, 342 Machray Hall U. of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3T 2N2 Office: 446 Machray Hall, 204-474-6470 http://www.rephil.org/ phil at rephil dot org From contact at alexandredenis.net Tue Mar 7 13:43:56 2006 From: contact at alexandredenis.net (Alexandre DENIS) Date: Tue Mar 7 13:44:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian and friends In-Reply-To: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> References: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <440DD46C.5050907@alexandredenis.net> Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > > 1) What Debian communities for audio software packaging are you a part of? No particular community. I'm running plain Debian and compile very few applications by myself. > 2) How do you install new releases to your system? I installed Debian slink in 1999, upgraded to potato in 2000, and switched to sid in 2000. Every upgrade is done with apt-get upgrade. I never re-installed in 7 years. > 3) How often do you build your own kernel for audio systems? Every few months, when something new seems appealing enough (better hardware support, better latency, bug fixed) to make me build a new kernel. > 4) If you're not running real Debian, what made you change? > 5) If you are running real Debian, have you upgraded to etch or sid? I am tracking sid since 6 years. I apt-get upgrade every week. It is rock-solid and never broke since I discovered apt-listbugs. -a. From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Mar 7 13:59:15 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Mar 7 13:58:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Stuff Message-ID: <20060307185915.5b7bec5c@localhost> I've added two more pieces to my website - didn't know I would be able to stuff so much on it! Slinky is very experimental both from the point of view of the effects I've used, and from a more involved percussion track, which is something I'm never really comfortable with. Cinderella's Night At The Ball, is a much simpler and gentle style. The sort of thing I find myself slipping into quite easily. I hope you enjoy these. As before, the URL is: folderol.ukfsn.org -- F From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Mar 7 14:12:21 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Mar 7 14:12:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Stuff In-Reply-To: <20060307185915.5b7bec5c@localhost> References: <20060307185915.5b7bec5c@localhost> Message-ID: <20060307191221.GE17538@phlunky.Belkin> On Tue, 07 Mar, 2006 at 06:59PM +0000, Folderol spake thus: > I've added two more pieces to my website - didn't know I would be able > to stuff so much on it! > > Slinky is very experimental both from the point of view of the effects > I've used, and from a more involved percussion track, which is > something I'm never really comfortable with. > > Cinderella's Night At The Ball, is a much simpler and gentle style. The > sort of thing I find myself slipping into quite easily. > > I hope you enjoy these. As before, the URL is: > > folderol.ukfsn.org Not Found The requested URL / was not found on this server. Busted ;) -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) From pw_lists at slinkp.com Tue Mar 7 14:15:59 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Mar 7 14:16:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Stuff In-Reply-To: <20060307185915.5b7bec5c@localhost> References: <20060307185915.5b7bec5c@localhost> Message-ID: <20060307191559.GN11382@slinkp.com> On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 06:59:15PM +0000, Folderol wrote: > I've added two more pieces to my website - didn't know I would be able > to stuff so much on it! > > Slinky is very experimental both from the point of view of the effects > I've used, and from a more involved percussion track, which is > something I'm never really comfortable with. With that name I had to listen right away :-) It's a really fun song. Nice keys. One critique: The reverb sounds pretty grainy. btw, the link doesn't work without the "www"... I found the page at http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org/ -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Mar 7 14:27:51 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Mar 7 14:26:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Stuff In-Reply-To: <20060307191221.GE17538@phlunky.Belkin> References: <20060307185915.5b7bec5c@localhost> <20060307191221.GE17538@phlunky.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060307192751.206e162d@localhost> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:12:21 +0000 james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Tue, 07 Mar, 2006 at 06:59PM +0000, Folderol spake thus: > > I've added two more pieces to my website - didn't know I would be able > > to stuff so much on it! > > > > Slinky is very experimental both from the point of view of the effects > > I've used, and from a more involved percussion track, which is > > something I'm never really comfortable with. > > > > Cinderella's Night At The Ball, is a much simpler and gentle style. The > > sort of thing I find myself slipping into quite easily. > > > > I hope you enjoy these. As before, the URL is: > > > > folderol.ukfsn.org > > Not Found > The requested URL / was not found on this server. > > > Busted ;) Sorry. Forgot the www bit :( http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org -- F From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Mar 7 14:48:51 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Mar 7 14:47:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New Stuff In-Reply-To: <20060307191559.GN11382@slinkp.com> References: <20060307185915.5b7bec5c@localhost> <20060307191559.GN11382@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20060307194851.1318b214@localhost> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:15:59 -0500 Paul Winkler wrote: > On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 06:59:15PM +0000, Folderol wrote: > > I've added two more pieces to my website - didn't know I would be able > > to stuff so much on it! > > > > Slinky is very experimental both from the point of view of the effects > > I've used, and from a more involved percussion track, which is > > something I'm never really comfortable with. > > With that name I had to listen right away :-) Ah yes, seeing your sig :) > It's a really fun song. Nice keys. Thanks. Music should never be too serious! > One critique: The reverb sounds pretty grainy. Yes. That's partly the reverb. It's an external synth, and I thought about doiing overall reverb in software but that would muddy other bits, as it mostly the percussion I wanted this on. Unfortunately my mp3 encoder must also take some responsibility. It doesn't like lots of top end :( I've been saying for months now I'll get a decent sound card, and a lot of my problems will then disappear. But it's priorities isn't it? Like I also need to get a new CD writer. HDD is getting a bit long in the tooth and full. Oh, and I really could do with a faster processor. Unfortunately I can't afford a new 'pooter cos I've just splashed out on a new car - which I *really* needed if I am to continue working! > btw, the link doesn't work without the "www"... I found the page at > http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org/ Oh, er, yes of course. -- F From lee at rockingtiger.com Tue Mar 7 15:12:09 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Tue Mar 7 15:12:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] GNU Audio Community Conference Room Message-ID: <20685586.1851141762329413.JavaMail.root@mugen> ----- Esben Stien wrote: > > To get a SIP soft phone, you can check out the various free software > projects at voip-info[2], specifically the SIP soft phone clients > page[3]. Be aware that not all projects on that page is free > software. If you need a terminal client, check out asterisk[4]. You > can also run your sip phone through JACK;). A GUI client might be > ekiga[5]. Could you elaborate on this? I have tried to connect soft phones to a jack server and none worked. There appear to be a limited selection of SIP soft phones which are free software and one IAX soft phone that I have used with OSS drivers only. Specific, tested program recommendations would be super cool. FWIW, I have an Asterisk server running that has /plenty/ of bandwidth to go around for conference rooms. -lee From hardbop200 at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 15:26:07 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Tue Mar 7 15:26:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Midisport In-Reply-To: <440C402D.1020604@chapelperilous.net> References: <440C402D.1020604@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: On 3/6/06, Brett McCoy wrote: > Anyone used an M-Audio Midisport (like the 2x2 or 4x4)? How well do they > work under Linux? I see they are supported in ALSA via EZ-USB. > > -- Brett Funny you should ask about this...I've been looking at these on eBay today to use with my Ubuntu laptop for playing VSTi's. 2x2 looks real good, there's also a rackmount 8x8 on eBay now, I think it's the older model. Would be nice for a live rig. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From mike.taht at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 15:31:09 2006 From: mike.taht at gmail.com (Mike Taht) Date: Tue Mar 7 15:31:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <20685586.1851141762329413.JavaMail.root@mugen> References: <20685586.1851141762329413.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <158277e20603071231m6f679583pc49dfc47e6fb9da1@mail.gmail.com> Only kphone has jack support built in, and it doesn't upsample or downsample, so you have to run your jack server at 8khz. Even then it has trouble if your hardware can't do 8khz. It would be nice to have a jack driver and jack codec for asterisk. So far as I know the cvs version of gnomemeeting (now, akiga) has iaxclient support. I love the idea of a standard conference room server for linux-audio users. Freeswitch's #freeswitch irc channel is integrated with their audio conference room, and it's a gas. Useful would be a weekly concall for developers of the various linux audio projects, or just a place to hang out sharing helpful tips and information, even music.... Like everything in this world such a concall would only get more useful as metcalfe's law kicks in. If anyone needs help on how to setup an asterisk server or needs help getting voip (SIP or IAX) working in general, feel free to drop me a line. At the moment I have several asterisk servers operational, (a podcast -> iax/sip gateway for thespaceshow is publicly available) but few have tons of bandwidth available, so perhap's lee's server could become a std meeting place.... On 3/7/06, Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > > ----- Esben Stien wrote: > > > > To get a SIP soft phone, you can check out the various free software > > projects at voip-info[2], specifically the SIP soft phone clients > > page[3]. Be aware that not all projects on that page is free > > software. If you need a terminal client, check out asterisk[4]. You > > can also run your sip phone through JACK;). A GUI client might be > > ekiga[5]. > > Could you elaborate on this? I have tried to connect soft phones to a jack > server and none worked. There appear to be a limited selection of SIP soft > phones which are free software and one IAX soft phone that I have used with > OSS drivers only. Specific, tested program recommendations would be super > cool. > > FWIW, I have an Asterisk server running that has /plenty/ of bandwidth to go > around for conference rooms. > > -lee > > -- Mike Taht PostCards From the Bleeding Edge http://the-edge.blogspot.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Mar 7 15:48:58 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Mar 7 15:49:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <158277e20603071231m6f679583pc49dfc47e6fb9da1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20685586.1851141762329413.JavaMail.root@mugen> <158277e20603071231m6f679583pc49dfc47e6fb9da1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141764539.767.68.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 12:31 -0800, Mike Taht wrote: > Only kphone has jack support built in, and it doesn't upsample or > downsample, so you have to run your jack server at 8khz. Heh, that's pretty funny. Seems like it should be easy to fix if JACK is running at the standard 48000Hz or 96000Hz. Lee From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Tue Mar 7 15:41:16 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Tue Mar 7 15:56:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DVD-Audio In-Reply-To: <20060303182036.A61784068@joseph.doink.com> References: <200603021518020520.024DE64E@mail.imbris.net> <20060303182036.A61784068@joseph.doink.com> Message-ID: <20060307204116.GC3360@jdboyd.zill.net> On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 10:20:34AM -0800, Kevin Cosgrove wrote: > I have one DVD-Audio disc. It only plays in audiophile DVD players > that specificly advertise that they play DVD-Audio. It isn't > recognized by computer DVD drives, nor by consumer DVD players. As a counter-sample, my sole DVD-Audio disk will play in consumer DVD players as a DVD-Video disk showing a tracklist menu while playing AC3 encoded music. While I have a DVD-Audio player in my office, I only have the digital outputs hooked up (feeding into a Dolby E encoder), and when playing DVD-Audio disks, it only uses the analog outputs, so I can only use this disk in the non-DVD-Audio player. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From lee at rockingtiger.com Tue Mar 7 16:25:23 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Tue Mar 7 16:25:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room Message-ID: <14552133.1951141766723094.JavaMail.root@mugen> ----- Mike Taht wrote: > Only kphone has jack support built in, and it doesn't upsample or > downsample, so you have to run your jack server at 8khz. Even then it > has trouble if your hardware can't do 8khz. It would be nice to have > a > jack driver and jack codec for asterisk. Even though I have done it before, I still have the belief that installing Asterisk locally is overkill for a single person to make calls. I'm not even sure how an Asterisk jack channel would function for RTP input to Asterisk. What would do the signalling? > Like everything in this world such a concall would only get more > useful as metcalfe's law kicks in. If anyone needs help on how to > setup an asterisk server or needs help getting voip (SIP or IAX) > working in general, feel free to drop me a line. At the moment I have > several asterisk servers operational, (a podcast -> iax/sip gateway > for thespaceshow is publicly available) but few have tons of > bandwidth > available, so perhap's lee's server could become a std meeting > place.... I'll work on setting up a conference room with a limit of 15 users (that seems high but what the hell) running on SIP and IAX2 channels. Give me a few weeks. -lee From domain.admin at online.ie Tue Mar 7 17:01:54 2006 From: domain.admin at online.ie (Hiram Abiff) Date: Tue Mar 7 17:02:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse and MIDI Syncing stuff In-Reply-To: <200603070014.35306.ce@christeck.de> References: <20060306214344.0uosdtv3moggocwo@mail.online.ie> <200603070014.35306.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20060307230154.rm22unjejocos4o0@mail.online.ie> Quoting Christoph Eckert : > >> I kindly ask for any sort of help or some light on my dark path >> of playing the song from start to end each time I want to >> record a new part or edit it. > > I don't know if this is a bug or simply a misconfiguration, but there > has been a thread about syncing in the lmuse user mailing list > recently. > > Maybe it's a good idea to subscribe to the lmuse user maling list to get > in contact with other users. > > > Best regards > > > ce > thanks for the tip, chris. best, hiram -- "I happen to think that computers are the most important thing to happen to musicians since the invention of cat-gut which was a long time ago. " Robert Moog From hans at fugal.net Tue Mar 7 17:30:25 2006 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Tue Mar 7 17:30:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <1141764539.767.68.camel@mindpipe> References: <20685586.1851141762329413.JavaMail.root@mugen> <158277e20603071231m6f679583pc49dfc47e6fb9da1@mail.gmail.com> <1141764539.767.68.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060307223025.GA945@falcon.fugal.net> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 at 15:48 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 12:31 -0800, Mike Taht wrote: > > Only kphone has jack support built in, and it doesn't upsample or > > downsample, so you have to run your jack server at 8khz. > > Heh, that's pretty funny. Seems like it should be easy to fix if JACK > is running at the standard 48000Hz or 96000Hz. It's probably easier to fix kphone's jack support, but if anyone has the itch I once upon a time started a jack IAX client for talking to asterisk. It's not done, but what I did do is available. It just needs a UI and a jitter buffer, if my memory serves correctly. A simplistic UI wouldn't be hard, but realizing I needed a jitter buffer is where it stopped being fun. ;-) http://hans.fugal.net/src/alex At the time I was not impressed with any softphones for linux, so I started my own. Now I really like Twinkle, so if I really wanted JACK I'd see if I could add it to Twinkle. http://twinklephone.com -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060307/f715be3a/attachment.bin From fbar at footils.org Tue Mar 7 17:55:23 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Mar 7 17:55:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian and friends In-Reply-To: <1141748973.767.15.camel@mindpipe> References: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> <20060307151025.GA26931@falcon.fugal.net> <1141748973.767.15.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060307225523.GE827@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 08:10 -0700, Hans Fugal wrote: > > I find dealing with stock kernels to be a waste of time. It takes me > > five minutes to answer the make oldconfig questions. > > > > Of course it takes forever if you read and try to understand every > question. Just hit "enter" a bunch of times. But isn't that, what distribution maintainers normally do for me? ;) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Tue Mar 7 17:57:15 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Tue Mar 7 18:11:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: slightly OT: supercomputer music In-Reply-To: References: <1141539861.3100.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <20060307225715.GD3360@jdboyd.zill.net> On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 06:30:14PM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > physical modeling. It still chews TONS of cpu. However, supercomputer > means non-realtime music (realtime and mpi? i don't think so.) and you > can do physical modeling offline fine on a normal machine. So well, > not very much. There is more than MPI for super computing though. There are still vector machines, and there are still NUMA style machines like Origins, Altixs, or those large POWER or SPARC machines. I don't know that any of those are suitable for realtime either, but unless the answer is already known, they would be fun to explore for such purposes. Also, I wonder about clusters that don't use MPI. I seem to recall an organ system that used a cluster of PCs for physical modelling. Does anyone know how the different nodes communicated? I think it might have been something like master->node->audio output, where each node only modelled the pipes that it was responsible for outputing. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From florin at andrei.myip.org Tue Mar 7 18:35:15 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Tue Mar 7 18:35:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Midisport In-Reply-To: <440C402D.1020604@chapelperilous.net> References: <440C402D.1020604@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <1141774516.18510.2.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 08:59 -0500, Brett McCoy wrote: > Anyone used an M-Audio Midisport (like the 2x2 or 4x4)? How well do they > work under Linux? I see they are supported in ALSA via EZ-USB. 4x4 works fine for me under Fedora Core 4 with the firmware loader from here: http://usb-midi-fw.sourceforge.net/ -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 18:37:16 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Mar 7 18:37:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: slightly OT: supercomputer music In-Reply-To: <20060307225715.GD3360@jdboyd.zill.net> References: <1141539861.3100.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060307225715.GD3360@jdboyd.zill.net> Message-ID: On 3/8/06, Joshua Boyd wrote: > On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 06:30:14PM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > > physical modeling. It still chews TONS of cpu. However, supercomputer > > means non-realtime music (realtime and mpi? i don't think so.) and you > > can do physical modeling offline fine on a normal machine. So well, > > not very much. > > There is more than MPI for super computing though. There are still > vector machines, and there are still NUMA style machines like Origins, > Altixs, or those large POWER or SPARC machines. I don't know that any > of those are suitable for realtime either, but unless the answer is > already known, they would be fun to explore for such purposes. Well, think about the name NUMA. If you don't have a deterministic memory access time then realtime is somewhat difficult. > > Also, I wonder about clusters that don't use MPI. I seem to recall an > organ system that used a cluster of PCs for physical modelling. Does > anyone know how the different nodes communicated? I think it might have > been something like master->node->audio output, where each node only > modelled the pipes that it was responsible for outputing. i'd guess so, so not really programmed as a cluster but more in an osc style. > > -- > Joshua D. Boyd > jdboyd@jdboyd.net > http://www.jdboyd.net/ > http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ > From mike.taht at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 19:42:45 2006 From: mike.taht at gmail.com (Mike Taht) Date: Tue Mar 7 19:42:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <20060307223025.GA945@falcon.fugal.net> References: <20685586.1851141762329413.JavaMail.root@mugen> <158277e20603071231m6f679583pc49dfc47e6fb9da1@mail.gmail.com> <1141764539.767.68.camel@mindpipe> <20060307223025.GA945@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <158277e20603071642o3ed45c9drca0e7c23a0f751f9@mail.gmail.com> This is mostly a note for Esben... I setup an asterisk extension on one of my boxes to dial the 1222GNUAUDIO extension it's very straightforward, for you asterisk newbies out there, it's a one liner in your dialplan: exten => 333,1,Dial(SIP/1222GNUAUDIO@proxy01.sipphone.com); Judging from your setup description, however, it's not clear if the "-"s in 1-222-GNU-AUDIO are not required and in fact is invalid syntax for dialing via some clients. sip:1222GNUAUDIO@proxy01.sipphone.com sip:122246828346@proxy01.sipphone.com Secondly, these two numbers are not equivalent in your conference setup map. I just dialed both the ascii version and the number and they dump you into distinct conference rooms. The "hold" sample is quite nice. I would argue in favor of a greeting message "welcome to the lad conference room", and quiet crickets, over the repeated "you are the first participant" message (from a "I'll just hang out here and talk to anybody" perspective) I'm sore tempted to open up a whole bunch of sip/iax/h323 extensions on my own box with gateways to free world dialup, firefly, sip guest, iax guest, etc... Is there anything in sipphone.com's terms of service against using their conferencing service in this way? On 3/7/06, Hans Fugal wrote: > On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 at 15:48 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 12:31 -0800, Mike Taht wrote: > > > Only kphone has jack support built in, and it doesn't upsample or > > > downsample, so you have to run your jack server at 8khz. > > > > Heh, that's pretty funny. Seems like it should be easy to fix if JACK > > is running at the standard 48000Hz or 96000Hz. > > It's probably easier to fix kphone's jack support, but if anyone has the > itch I once upon a time started a jack IAX client for talking to > asterisk. It's not done, but what I did do is available. It just needs a > UI and a jitter buffer, if my memory serves correctly. A simplistic UI > wouldn't be hard, but realizing I needed a jitter buffer is where it > stopped being fun. ;-) > > http://hans.fugal.net/src/alex > > At the time I was not impressed with any softphones for linux, so I > started my own. Now I really like Twinkle, so if I really wanted JACK > I'd see if I could add it to Twinkle. > > http://twinklephone.com > > -- > Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net > > There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the > right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. > -- Johann Sebastian Bach > > -- Mike Taht PostCards From the Bleeding Edge http://the-edge.blogspot.com From mike.taht at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 20:08:14 2006 From: mike.taht at gmail.com (Mike Taht) Date: Tue Mar 7 20:08:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <14552133.1951141766723094.JavaMail.root@mugen> References: <14552133.1951141766723094.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <158277e20603071708q4eb2456cld32304fe9eaf49fe@mail.gmail.com> On 3/7/06, Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > Even though I have done it before, I still have the belief that installing > Asterisk locally is overkill for a single person to make calls. In wanting to bridge the world of Linux audio and asterisk telephony I had desires far beyond making a single phone call. I would argue, first, that a local setup of "single user" asterisk could be made a lot easier (freeswitch is veering in that direction) and the flexibility of having a pbx on your laptop or wherever (local voicemail. call presence information. Text-to-speech support. Etc) In particular I wanted to make it easier to do a call in radio station (see rivendell) and integrating the voice to mp3 function and music to mp3 function struck me as asterisk with jack as a natural bridge... If ladspa plugins could be run through asterisk or a jack compliant sip phone you could give your outgoing voice calls a little bass boost for that "voice of god" effect... surround sound conferencing becomes feasible. stuff like that. It doesn't make sense to me that these two worlds - telephony and professional audio - should be seperated. I haven't had much spare time recently to work on these ideas, but freeswitch seems to be a bit more hackable than asterisk has become, so I've been looking at that... > I'm not even > sure how an Asterisk jack channel would function for RTP input to Asterisk. > What would do the signalling? Mentally to me, a jack port is a inband telephone connection, no real signalling save perhaps silence suppression need be used... DTMF, etc, generated in band... -- Mike Taht PostCards From the Bleeding Edge http://the-edge.blogspot.com From dmills at spamblock.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 7 20:25:19 2006 From: dmills at spamblock.demon.co.uk (Dan Mills) Date: Tue Mar 7 20:25:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <158277e20603071708q4eb2456cld32304fe9eaf49fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <14552133.1951141766723094.JavaMail.root@mugen> <158277e20603071708q4eb2456cld32304fe9eaf49fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1DF0F509-F0C1-45B3-B8E3-CB0EEF2457A9@spamblock.demon.co.uk> On 8 Mar 2006, at 01:08, Mike Taht wrote: > > In particular I wanted to make it easier to do a call in radio station > (see rivendell) and integrating the voice to mp3 function and music to > mp3 function struck me as asterisk with jack as a natural bridge... > > If ladspa plugins could be run through asterisk or a jack compliant > sip phone you could give your outgoing voice calls a little bass boost > for that "voice of god" effect... A sip <-> jack "hybrid" would be way cool, but while that covers the audio side of the problem, it leaves the call setup and control side. > > I haven't had much spare time recently to work on these ideas, but > freeswitch seems to be a bit more hackable than asterisk has become, > so I've been looking at that... So many potential programs, so little time.... I know that one. >> I'm not even >> sure how an Asterisk jack channel would function for RTP input to >> Asterisk. >> What would do the signalling? > > Mentally to me, a jack port is a inband telephone connection, no real > signalling save perhaps silence suppression need be used... DTMF, etc, > generated in band... That would be a pair of jack ports, and to be at all usable in a radio context it needs to support at least "ring indicator" and ideally call termination detection. Being able to set up (and terminate) calls would also be kind of nice. Perhaps a daemon that could connect multiple sip "lines" to jackd and provided a couple of fifos to communicate line status and to handle dialing? This is something that has also been on my todo list for a while (with exactly the same intended use)..... Regards, Dan. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Mar 7 20:32:22 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Mar 7 20:32:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <1DF0F509-F0C1-45B3-B8E3-CB0EEF2457A9@spamblock.demon.co.uk> References: <14552133.1951141766723094.JavaMail.root@mugen> <158277e20603071708q4eb2456cld32304fe9eaf49fe@mail.gmail.com> <1DF0F509-F0C1-45B3-B8E3-CB0EEF2457A9@spamblock.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1141781544.767.109.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 01:25 +0000, Dan Mills wrote: > That would be a pair of jack ports, and to be at all usable in a > radio context it needs > to support at least "ring indicator" and ideally call termination > detection. > Being able to set up (and terminate) calls would also be kind of nice. > > Perhaps a daemon that could connect multiple sip "lines" to jackd > and > provided a couple of fifos > to communicate line status and to handle dialing? SIP over MIDI? Lee From gateswideopen at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 20:51:37 2006 From: gateswideopen at gmail.com (we are) Date: Tue Mar 7 20:51:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp pcmcia issues, again... Message-ID: <5969dc560603071751l71d580ft8d499a2267eee7a3@mail.gmail.com> hi crew, this issue is probably getting boring now but i've hit it. i am trying to get my Multiface PCMCIA card to work under linux and have tried many things but still a bit lost. i have it running on my windows setup on the same computer(another partition) without a hitch. for this reason i can't understnd why it would not function here in linux. i am running an Asus v6800v (v6v) laptop and would really appriciate some advice on where to move next... i have reached the point where alsa is set up ..... localhost tom # cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [DSP ]: H-DSP - Hammerfall DSP RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface at 0x54000000, irq 17 1 [ICH6 ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH6 Intel ICH6 with ALC650F at 0xdffff800, irq 17 ..... lspci | grep CardBus; lspci | grep RME 03:01.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev b3) 04:00.0 Multimedia audio controller: Xilinx Corporation RME Hammerfall DSP (rev 32) ..... uname -a Linux localhost 2.6.14-gentoo-r5 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jan 17 05:35:27 EST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux ..... i have tried using setpci latency scripts found on this thread http : lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-pcmcia/2004-April/000750.html However, i must admit i'm a really lost when it comes to this level of computing. so i'm stabbing in the dark and currently trying to learn about what all this means. script written by Daniel Ritz > #!/bin/sh > > # set lateny timers for the bridges > CB=`lspci | grep CardBus | cut -d" " -f1` > for i in $CB; do > echo "setting latency timer for CB $i" > setpci -s $i 0x0d.b=0xff > /dev/null > setpci -s $i 0x1b.b=0xff > /dev/null > > # for EnE only, others should ignore it > setpci -s $i 0xc9.b=0x06 > /dev/null > done this script did something but i'm not entirely sure what? pd seems to detect audio input but can't output,(anyone know if i need to compile pd with rme support to make it work.) after doing this i can get sound but its all distortorted and horrible. it feels like on the right track here but i don't understand the jargon or where to go next with it? ...... no problems loading hdsploader firmware ...... localhost tom # hdsploader hdsploader - firmware loader for RME Hammerfall DSP cards Looking for HDSP + Multiface or Digiface cards : Card 0 : RME Hammerfall DSP at 0x54000000, irq 17 Upload firmware for card hw:0 Firmware uploaded for card hw:0 Card 1 : Intel ICH6 with ALC650F at 0xdffff800, irq 17 ...... when trying to access change settings on hdspconf ...... tom@localhost ~ $ hdspconf HDSPConf 1.4 - Copyright (C) 2003 Thomas Charbonnel This program comes WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY HDSPConf is free software, see the file copying for details Looking for HDSP cards : Card 0 : RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface at 0x54000000, irq 17 Multiface found ! Card 1 : Intel ICH6 with ALC650F at 0xdffff800, irq 17 1 Hammerfall DSP card found. Error accessing ctl interface on card hw:0 ..... i have read that some people have had problems when modules are set on the same IRQ. i have no idea if this is a problem as my RME cardbus, wireless (ipw2200), onboard sound (AC97) and Yenta are all on IRQ 17. this is the same in windows and my bios is pretty limiting when it comes to changing this stuff around. /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 700336 IO-APIC-edge timer 1: 6148 IO-APIC-edge i8042 9: 2885 IO-APIC-level acpi 12: 2177 IO-APIC-edge i8042 14: 4815 IO-APIC-edge ide0 16: 2 IO-APIC-level uhci_hcd:usb5, ohci1394 17: 97673 IO-APIC-level yenta, hdsp, Intel ICH6, ipw2200 19: 0 IO-APIC-level uhci_hcd:usb4, skge 20: 92955 IO-APIC-level ehci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2 21: 0 IO-APIC-level uhci_hcd:usb3 NMI: 0 LOC: 50568 ERR: 0 MIS: 0 ..... Any suggetions links greatly appriciated! thanks tom. also.... have already tried pci=noacpi and acpi=off and there was no difference to the setups, irq and the like. bit worried about upgrading my bios as the new asus bios for the v6 is apparently noisy and has fan issues..... no good for my studio... From ico at vt.edu Tue Mar 7 21:20:29 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (ico) Date: Tue Mar 7 21:20:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp pcmcia issues, again... Message-ID: <443B6F73@zathras> This may sound ridiculously trivial suggestion, but have you tried running hdspmixer and making sure that the channels are not muted and that their levels are up? Also, when using Pd with hdsp, try running it via jackd. I found that this combination required less low-level setup (if we do not take into account installing realtime module). Best wishes, Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of we are > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:52 PM > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp pcmcia issues, again... > > hi crew, this issue is probably getting boring now but i've hit it. > > i am trying to get my Multiface PCMCIA card to work under linux and > have tried many things but still a bit lost. i have it running on my > windows setup on the same computer(another partition) without a hitch. > for this reason i can't understnd why it would not function here in > linux. > > i am running an Asus v6800v (v6v) laptop and would really appriciate > some advice on where to move next... > > i have reached the point where alsa is set up > > ..... > > localhost tom # cat /proc/asound/cards > > 0 [DSP ]: H-DSP - Hammerfall DSP > > RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface at 0x54000000, irq 17 > > 1 [ICH6 ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH6 > > Intel ICH6 with ALC650F at 0xdffff800, irq 17 > > ..... > > lspci | grep CardBus; lspci | grep RME > > 03:01.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev b3) > > 04:00.0 Multimedia audio controller: Xilinx Corporation RME Hammerfall > DSP (rev 32) > ..... > > uname -a > > Linux localhost 2.6.14-gentoo-r5 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jan 17 05:35:27 > EST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz GenuineIntel > GNU/Linux > > ..... > > i have tried using setpci latency scripts found on this thread http : > lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-pcmcia/2004-April/000750.html > > However, i must admit i'm a really lost when it comes to this level of > computing. so i'm stabbing in the dark and currently trying to learn > about what all this means. > > script written by Daniel Ritz > > > #!/bin/sh > > > > > > # set lateny timers for the bridges > > > CB=`lspci | grep CardBus | cut -d" " -f1` > > > for i in $CB; do > > > echo "setting latency timer for CB $i" > > > setpci -s $i 0x0d.b=0xff > /dev/null > > > setpci -s $i 0x1b.b=0xff > /dev/null > > > > > > # for EnE only, others should ignore it > > > setpci -s $i 0xc9.b=0x06 > /dev/null > > > done > > this script did something but i'm not entirely sure what? pd seems to > detect audio input but can't output,(anyone know if i need to compile > pd with rme support to make it work.) > > after doing this i can get sound but its all distortorted and > horrible. it feels like on the right track here but i don't understand > the jargon or where to go next with it? > > ...... > > no problems loading hdsploader firmware > > ...... > > localhost tom # hdsploader > > hdsploader - firmware loader for RME Hammerfall DSP cards > > Looking for HDSP + Multiface or Digiface cards : > > Card 0 : RME Hammerfall DSP at 0x54000000, irq 17 > > Upload firmware for card hw:0 > > Firmware uploaded for card hw:0 > > Card 1 : Intel ICH6 with ALC650F at 0xdffff800, irq 17 > > ...... > > when trying to access change settings on hdspconf > > ...... > > tom@localhost ~ $ hdspconf > > HDSPConf 1.4 - Copyright (C) 2003 Thomas Charbonnel > > This program comes WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > > HDSPConf is free software, see the file copying for details > > Looking for HDSP cards : > > Card 0 : RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface at 0x54000000, irq 17 > > Multiface found ! > > Card 1 : Intel ICH6 with ALC650F at 0xdffff800, irq 17 > > 1 Hammerfall DSP card found. > > Error accessing ctl interface on card hw:0 > > ..... > > i have read that some people have had problems when modules are set on > the same IRQ. > > i have no idea if this is a problem as my RME cardbus, wireless > (ipw2200), onboard sound (AC97) and Yenta are all on IRQ 17. this is > the same in windows and my bios is pretty limiting when it comes to > changing this stuff around. > > /proc/interrupts > > CPU0 > > 0: 700336 IO-APIC-edge timer > > 1: 6148 IO-APIC-edge i8042 > > 9: 2885 IO-APIC-level acpi > > 12: 2177 IO-APIC-edge i8042 > > 14: 4815 IO-APIC-edge ide0 > > 16: 2 IO-APIC-level uhci_hcd:usb5, ohci1394 > > 17: 97673 IO-APIC-level yenta, hdsp, Intel ICH6, ipw2200 > > 19: 0 IO-APIC-level uhci_hcd:usb4, skge > > 20: 92955 IO-APIC-level ehci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2 > > 21: 0 IO-APIC-level uhci_hcd:usb3 > > NMI: 0 > > LOC: 50568 > > ERR: 0 > > MIS: 0 > > ..... > > > > Any suggetions links greatly appriciated! > > thanks > > tom. > > > > also.... > > have already tried pci=noacpi and acpi=off and there was no difference > to the setups, irq and the like. > > bit worried about upgrading my bios as the new asus bios for the v6 is > apparently noisy and has fan issues..... no good for my studio... From gateswideopen at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 21:27:16 2006 From: gateswideopen at gmail.com (we are) Date: Tue Mar 7 21:27:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp pcmcia issues, again... In-Reply-To: <443B6F73@zathras> References: <443B6F73@zathras> Message-ID: <5969dc560603071827y4f595d50m28b85020c1b768b5@mail.gmail.com> cool thanks for the speedy reply ico. i'm pretty sure i have the levels up(although i am not near my computer right now) however i don't doubt that is a posibility. i have my system setup up for audio with realtime module set up. and i have been running everything trough jack and for testing. although i can not get anything out of pd, i have used ardour and am getting nothing but distortion.. it seems like a very similar problem that caused a huge thread here last year. alsa, i am still lost. cheers tom On 3/8/06, ico wrote: > This may sound ridiculously trivial suggestion, but have you tried running > hdspmixer and making sure that the channels are not muted and that their > levels are up? > > Also, when using Pd with hdsp, try running it via jackd. I found that this > combination required less low-level setup (if we do not take into account > installing realtime module). > > Best wishes, > > Ico > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of we are > > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:52 PM > > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > > Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp pcmcia issues, again... > > > > hi crew, this issue is probably getting boring now but i've hit it. > > > > i am trying to get my Multiface PCMCIA card to work under linux and > > have tried many things but still a bit lost. i have it running on my > > windows setup on the same computer(another partition) without a hitch. > > for this reason i can't understnd why it would not function here in > > linux. > > > > i am running an Asus v6800v (v6v) laptop and would really appriciate > > some advice on where to move next... > > > > i have reached the point where alsa is set up > > > > ..... > > > > localhost tom # cat /proc/asound/cards > > > > 0 [DSP ]: H-DSP - Hammerfall DSP > > > > RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface at 0x54000000, irq 17 > > > > 1 [ICH6 ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH6 > > > > Intel ICH6 with ALC650F at 0xdffff800, irq 17 > > > > ..... > > > > lspci | grep CardBus; lspci | grep RME > > > > 03:01.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev b3) > > > > 04:00.0 Multimedia audio controller: Xilinx Corporation RME Hammerfall > > DSP (rev 32) > > ..... > > > > uname -a > > > > Linux localhost 2.6.14-gentoo-r5 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jan 17 05:35:27 > > EST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz GenuineIntel > > GNU/Linux > > > > ..... > > > > i have tried using setpci latency scripts found on this thread http : > > lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-pcmcia/2004-April/000750.html > > > > However, i must admit i'm a really lost when it comes to this level of > > computing. so i'm stabbing in the dark and currently trying to learn > > about what all this means. > > > > script written by Daniel Ritz > > > > > #!/bin/sh > > > > > > > > > > # set lateny timers for the bridges > > > > > CB=`lspci | grep CardBus | cut -d" " -f1` > > > > > for i in $CB; do > > > > > echo "setting latency timer for CB $i" > > > > > setpci -s $i 0x0d.b=0xff > /dev/null > > > > > setpci -s $i 0x1b.b=0xff > /dev/null > > > > > > > > > > # for EnE only, others should ignore it > > > > > setpci -s $i 0xc9.b=0x06 > /dev/null > > > > > done > > > > this script did something but i'm not entirely sure what? pd seems to > > detect audio input but can't output,(anyone know if i need to compile > > pd with rme support to make it work.) > > > > after doing this i can get sound but its all distortorted and > > horrible. it feels like on the right track here but i don't understand > > the jargon or where to go next with it? > > > > ...... > > > > no problems loading hdsploader firmware > > > > ...... > > > > localhost tom # hdsploader > > > > hdsploader - firmware loader for RME Hammerfall DSP cards > > > > Looking for HDSP + Multiface or Digiface cards : > > > > Card 0 : RME Hammerfall DSP at 0x54000000, irq 17 > > > > Upload firmware for card hw:0 > > > > Firmware uploaded for card hw:0 > > > > Card 1 : Intel ICH6 with ALC650F at 0xdffff800, irq 17 > > > > ...... > > > > when trying to access change settings on hdspconf > > > > ...... > > > > tom@localhost ~ $ hdspconf > > > > HDSPConf 1.4 - Copyright (C) 2003 Thomas Charbonnel > > > > This program comes WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > > > > HDSPConf is free software, see the file copying for details > > > > Looking for HDSP cards : > > > > Card 0 : RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface at 0x54000000, irq 17 > > > > Multiface found ! > > > > Card 1 : Intel ICH6 with ALC650F at 0xdffff800, irq 17 > > > > 1 Hammerfall DSP card found. > > > > Error accessing ctl interface on card hw:0 > > > > ..... > > > > i have read that some people have had problems when modules are set on > > the same IRQ. > > > > i have no idea if this is a problem as my RME cardbus, wireless > > (ipw2200), onboard sound (AC97) and Yenta are all on IRQ 17. this is > > the same in windows and my bios is pretty limiting when it comes to > > changing this stuff around. > > > > /proc/interrupts > > > > CPU0 > > > > 0: 700336 IO-APIC-edge timer > > > > 1: 6148 IO-APIC-edge i8042 > > > > 9: 2885 IO-APIC-level acpi > > > > 12: 2177 IO-APIC-edge i8042 > > > > 14: 4815 IO-APIC-edge ide0 > > > > 16: 2 IO-APIC-level uhci_hcd:usb5, ohci1394 > > > > 17: 97673 IO-APIC-level yenta, hdsp, Intel ICH6, ipw2200 > > > > 19: 0 IO-APIC-level uhci_hcd:usb4, skge > > > > 20: 92955 IO-APIC-level ehci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2 > > > > 21: 0 IO-APIC-level uhci_hcd:usb3 > > > > NMI: 0 > > > > LOC: 50568 > > > > ERR: 0 > > > > MIS: 0 > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > Any suggetions links greatly appriciated! > > > > thanks > > > > tom. > > > > > > > > also.... > > > > have already tried pci=noacpi and acpi=off and there was no difference > > to the setups, irq and the like. > > > > bit worried about upgrading my bios as the new asus bios for the v6 is > > apparently noisy and has fan issues..... no good for my studio... > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Mar 7 21:30:57 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Mar 7 21:31:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp pcmcia issues, again... In-Reply-To: <443B6F73@zathras> References: <443B6F73@zathras> Message-ID: <1141785058.767.136.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 21:20 -0500, ico wrote: > > Also, when using Pd with hdsp, try running it via jackd. I found that > this > combination required less low-level setup (if we do not take into > account > installing realtime module). Installing realtime module is no longer needed with a modern distro like Ubuntu Dapper From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Mar 7 21:35:29 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Mar 7 21:32:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp pcmcia issues, again... In-Reply-To: <5969dc560603071827y4f595d50m28b85020c1b768b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <443B6F73@zathras> <5969dc560603071827y4f595d50m28b85020c1b768b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141785329.7625.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 13:27 +1100, we are wrote: > cool thanks for the speedy reply ico. > > i'm pretty sure i have the levels up(although i am not near my > computer right now) however i don't doubt that is a posibility. just run hdspmixer to make sure. its a simple step, and the most common error. without it, there is no sound. > although i can not get anything out of pd, i have used ardour and am > getting nothing but distortion.. oh, so you can hear something? > it seems like a very similar problem that caused a huge thread here > last year. alsa, i am still lost. which thread? link? the one involving ico and his detection of the register that windows set in the cardbus bridge but linux did not? --p From gateswideopen at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 21:41:25 2006 From: gateswideopen at gmail.com (we are) Date: Tue Mar 7 21:41:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp pcmcia issues, again... In-Reply-To: <1141785329.7625.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <443B6F73@zathras> <5969dc560603071827y4f595d50m28b85020c1b768b5@mail.gmail.com> <1141785329.7625.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5969dc560603071841k21ea16d5w64065e76c571c7d9@mail.gmail.com> > which thread? link? the one involving ico and his detection of the > register that windows set in the cardbus bridge but linux did not? yeah that sounds right, i investigated the differences between the WPCREDIT output of the cardbus bridge and the hdsp PCMCIA card and linux's hexdump, and they are slightly different. i suspect this is a problem bu i do not understand how to go about changing the settings to get what i want, setpci etc.... i have a screen shot of the comparisons but no way to post them at the moment. is there someone who could show me away to get these hexdumps/WPCREDIT output looking (and/or) functioning the same? or is this not the problem.... cheers tom From drh at niptron.com Tue Mar 7 21:44:23 2006 From: drh at niptron.com (D R Holsbeck) Date: Tue Mar 7 21:44:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp pcmcia issues, again... In-Reply-To: <5969dc560603071751l71d580ft8d499a2267eee7a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5969dc560603071751l71d580ft8d499a2267eee7a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141785864.3509.17.camel@localhost> Brings back memories :-( I have had a Digiface for, a few of years now. When I first setup my unit, I was using a pci card for the interface. Which worked pretty well. Then I got my thinkpad, and a pcmcia card. This did not work as well, to start with. I fought for many a night to make it work, so I could go mobile. I made sure the firmware loaded, channels were unmuted, the card was seen by alsa .... The reseller I purchsed the card from, even checked out the card, found nothing wrong, and returned a different card and a new cord, just in case. I finally ended up shipping the whole thing to Paul, so he could see for himself. After a couple of weeks it was discovered that the pcmcia card I had recieved, had was new version, which did not get along with the firmware code that hdsploader was loading. So I guess you should check the hardware version of the pcmcia card. Did you buy it new recently, I would guess so. Maybe the multiface box is causing the issue. My symptoms were, it made sound, and if I ran it with a sample rate of 32k, it sounded ok, but not nearly up to its potential. If it was set to any other sample rate, the sound was very garbled. Hope this helps. Cheers DuWayne On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 12:51 +1100, we are wrote: > hi crew, this issue is probably getting boring now but i've hit it. > > i am trying to get my Multiface PCMCIA card to work under linux and > have tried many things but still a bit lost. i have it running on my > windows setup on the same computer(another partition) without a hitch. > for this reason i can't understnd why it would not function here in > linux. > > i am running an Asus v6800v (v6v) laptop and would really appriciate > some advice on where to move next... > > i have reached the point where alsa is set up > > ..... > > localhost tom # cat /proc/asound/cards > > 0 [DSP ]: H-DSP - Hammerfall DSP > > RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface at 0x54000000, irq 17 > > 1 [ICH6 ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH6 > > Intel ICH6 with ALC650F at 0xdffff800, irq 17 > > ..... > > lspci | grep CardBus; lspci | grep RME > > 03:01.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev b3) > > 04:00.0 Multimedia audio controller: Xilinx Corporation RME Hammerfall > DSP (rev 32) > ..... > > uname -a > > Linux localhost 2.6.14-gentoo-r5 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jan 17 05:35:27 > EST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz GenuineIntel > GNU/Linux > > ..... > > i have tried using setpci latency scripts found on this thread http : > lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-pcmcia/2004-April/000750.html > > However, i must admit i'm a really lost when it comes to this level of > computing. so i'm stabbing in the dark and currently trying to learn > about what all this means. > > script written by Daniel Ritz > > > #!/bin/sh > > > > > > # set lateny timers for the bridges > > > CB=`lspci | grep CardBus | cut -d" " -f1` > > > for i in $CB; do > > > echo "setting latency timer for CB $i" > > > setpci -s $i 0x0d.b=0xff > /dev/null > > > setpci -s $i 0x1b.b=0xff > /dev/null > > > > > > # for EnE only, others should ignore it > > > setpci -s $i 0xc9.b=0x06 > /dev/null > > > done > > this script did something but i'm not entirely sure what? pd seems to > detect audio input but can't output,(anyone know if i need to compile > pd with rme support to make it work.) > > after doing this i can get sound but its all distortorted and > horrible. it feels like on the right track here but i don't understand > the jargon or where to go next with it? > > ...... > > no problems loading hdsploader firmware > > ...... > > localhost tom # hdsploader > > hdsploader - firmware loader for RME Hammerfall DSP cards > > Looking for HDSP + Multiface or Digiface cards : > > Card 0 : RME Hammerfall DSP at 0x54000000, irq 17 > > Upload firmware for card hw:0 > > Firmware uploaded for card hw:0 > > Card 1 : Intel ICH6 with ALC650F at 0xdffff800, irq 17 > > ...... > > when trying to access change settings on hdspconf > > ...... > > tom@localhost ~ $ hdspconf > > HDSPConf 1.4 - Copyright (C) 2003 Thomas Charbonnel > > This program comes WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > > HDSPConf is free software, see the file copying for details > > Looking for HDSP cards : > > Card 0 : RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface at 0x54000000, irq 17 > > Multiface found ! > > Card 1 : Intel ICH6 with ALC650F at 0xdffff800, irq 17 > > 1 Hammerfall DSP card found. > > Error accessing ctl interface on card hw:0 > > ..... > > i have read that some people have had problems when modules are set on > the same IRQ. > > i have no idea if this is a problem as my RME cardbus, wireless > (ipw2200), onboard sound (AC97) and Yenta are all on IRQ 17. this is > the same in windows and my bios is pretty limiting when it comes to > changing this stuff around. > > /proc/interrupts > > CPU0 > > 0: 700336 IO-APIC-edge timer > > 1: 6148 IO-APIC-edge i8042 > > 9: 2885 IO-APIC-level acpi > > 12: 2177 IO-APIC-edge i8042 > > 14: 4815 IO-APIC-edge ide0 > > 16: 2 IO-APIC-level uhci_hcd:usb5, ohci1394 > > 17: 97673 IO-APIC-level yenta, hdsp, Intel ICH6, ipw2200 > > 19: 0 IO-APIC-level uhci_hcd:usb4, skge > > 20: 92955 IO-APIC-level ehci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2 > > 21: 0 IO-APIC-level uhci_hcd:usb3 > > NMI: 0 > > LOC: 50568 > > ERR: 0 > > MIS: 0 > > ..... > > > > Any suggetions links greatly appriciated! > > thanks > > tom. > > > > also.... > > have already tried pci=noacpi and acpi=off and there was no difference > to the setups, irq and the like. > > bit worried about upgrading my bios as the new asus bios for the v6 is > apparently noisy and has fan issues..... no good for my studio... > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Mar 7 21:44:37 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Mar 7 21:44:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp pcmcia issues, again... In-Reply-To: <5969dc560603071841k21ea16d5w64065e76c571c7d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <443B6F73@zathras> <5969dc560603071827y4f595d50m28b85020c1b768b5@mail.gmail.com> <1141785329.7625.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5969dc560603071841k21ea16d5w64065e76c571c7d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141785878.767.142.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 13:41 +1100, we are wrote: > is there someone who could show me away to get these hexdumps/WPCREDIT > output looking (and/or) functioning the same? or is this not the > problem.... > This is almost certainly not the problem. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Mar 7 21:50:46 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Mar 7 21:47:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp pcmcia issues, again... In-Reply-To: <1141785878.767.142.camel@mindpipe> References: <443B6F73@zathras> <5969dc560603071827y4f595d50m28b85020c1b768b5@mail.gmail.com> <1141785329.7625.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5969dc560603071841k21ea16d5w64065e76c571c7d9@mail.gmail.com> <1141785878.767.142.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1141786246.7625.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 21:44 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 13:41 +1100, we are wrote: > > is there someone who could show me away to get these hexdumps/WPCREDIT > > output looking (and/or) functioning the same? or is this not the > > problem.... > > > > This is almost certainly not the problem. actually lee, it stands a pretty reasonable chance of being the problem. it bit ico and me quite hard, although to be fair, it appeared to be fixed (at least for my cardbus bridge) in the mid-stream 2.6 kernel series. however, i think dwayne holsbeck raises some other good issues too. --p From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Mar 7 21:52:42 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Mar 7 21:49:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp pcmcia issues, again... In-Reply-To: <1141785864.3509.17.camel@localhost> References: <5969dc560603071751l71d580ft8d499a2267eee7a3@mail.gmail.com> <1141785864.3509.17.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1141786362.7625.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 20:44 -0600, D R Holsbeck wrote: > Brings back memories :-( > > I have had a Digiface for, a few of years now. When I first setup my > unit, I was using a pci card for the interface. Which worked pretty > well. Then I got my thinkpad, and a pcmcia card. This did not work as > well, to start with. I fought for many a night to make it work, so I > could go mobile. I made sure the firmware loaded, channels were unmuted, > the card was seen by alsa .... The reseller I purchsed the card from, > even checked out the card, found nothing wrong, and returned a different > card and a new cord, just in case. I finally ended up shipping the whole > thing to Paul, so he could see for himself. After a couple of weeks it > was discovered that the pcmcia card I had recieved, had was new version, > which did not get along with the firmware code that hdsploader was > loading. > > So I guess you should check the hardware version of the pcmcia card. Did > you buy it new recently, I would guess so. Maybe the multiface box is > causing the issue. i do have some new "firmware" for the hdsp series too. its just that to date, nobody has needed it. CCRMA got several RME HDSP's around xmas, including a pcmcia device, and it has all just worked with current ALSA for them. --p From drh at niptron.com Tue Mar 7 21:49:54 2006 From: drh at niptron.com (D R Holsbeck) Date: Tue Mar 7 21:50:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp pcmcia issues, again... In-Reply-To: <1141785329.7625.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <443B6F73@zathras> <5969dc560603071827y4f595d50m28b85020c1b768b5@mail.gmail.com> <1141785329.7625.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1141786194.3509.22.camel@localhost> I was just talking about you ;-) It almost sounds like the problem I had with the firmware. But you are the expert. That reminds me I should send you more money ;-) Ive actually been getting paid to do mobile recordings. It aint much yet, but it could build into something soon. Cheers DuWayne On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 21:35 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 13:27 +1100, we are wrote: > > cool thanks for the speedy reply ico. > > > > i'm pretty sure i have the levels up(although i am not near my > > computer right now) however i don't doubt that is a posibility. > > just run hdspmixer to make sure. its a simple step, and the most common > error. without it, there is no sound. > > > although i can not get anything out of pd, i have used ardour and am > > getting nothing but distortion.. > > oh, so you can hear something? > > > it seems like a very similar problem that caused a huge thread here > > last year. alsa, i am still lost. > > which thread? link? the one involving ico and his detection of the > register that windows set in the cardbus bridge but linux did not? > > --p > > > > From gateswideopen at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 21:50:47 2006 From: gateswideopen at gmail.com (we are) Date: Tue Mar 7 21:51:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp pcmcia issues, again... In-Reply-To: <1141785864.3509.17.camel@localhost> References: <5969dc560603071751l71d580ft8d499a2267eee7a3@mail.gmail.com> <1141785864.3509.17.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <5969dc560603071850w8d1c8den639f5d45f8256c32@mail.gmail.com> >discovered that the pcmcia card I had recieved, had was new version, > which did not get along with the firmware code that hdsploader was > loading. that sounds awful!!! i do have a new pcmcia card, got it about three weeks ago. and the multiface is a a bit older as i got that second hand. i do hope this is not a problem still.... if there is anyone out there that can confirm this has been solved it would save me a lot of fiddling... thanks for the tip DuWayne, will try 32k when i get home, (32k, ew! whats the point!) cheers tom From terakuma at imbris.net Tue Mar 7 22:02:29 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Tue Mar 7 22:02:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Totally OT (was Rhythm Galaxy vol.1 drum/percussion sample library) In-Reply-To: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> I assume, (perhaps erroneously), the following things: 1. Everyone, unless they are independently wealthy, living on a pension, or a hobo, has a job or self-employment income by means of which they are enabled to pay their bills and purchase the goods and services they either require or simply desire. 2. All said individuals are actually being *paid* a wage, salary, or receiving some form of income for this work - else they could not pay the rent with it, so to speak. 3. All these same individuals believe they *deserve* to be paid for whatever work they do for their employer - or if self-employed - for whatever goods or services they offer for sale. This being the case, how on earth can such individuals make the case that they deserve to be paid for what they do for a living, while an artist, programmer, or individual in some line of work other than their own - does not? Just asking. I find the degree of hypocrisy underlying such a premise utterly dumbfounding - not to mention the conceit. - Maluvia From dana at ubuntustudio.com Tue Mar 7 22:09:30 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Tue Mar 7 22:09:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Totally OT (was Rhythm Galaxy vol.1 drum/percussion sample library) In-Reply-To: <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30603071909j7879a7ccua1caa95c9b1729ae@mail.gmail.com> On 3/7/06, Maluvia wrote: > I assume, (perhaps erroneously), the following things: > > 1. Everyone, unless they are independently wealthy, living on a pension, or > a hobo, has a job or self-employment income by means of which they are > enabled to pay their bills and purchase the goods and services they either > require or simply desire. > > 2. All said individuals are actually being *paid* a wage, salary, or > receiving some form of income for this work - else they could not pay the > rent with it, so to speak. > > 3. All these same individuals believe they *deserve* to be paid for > whatever work they do for their employer - or if self-employed - for > whatever goods or services they offer for sale. > > This being the case, how on earth can such individuals make the case that > they deserve to be paid for what they do for a living, while an artist, > programmer, or individual in some line of work other than their own - does > not? > > Just asking. > > I find the degree of hypocrisy underlying such a premise utterly > dumbfounding - not to mention the conceit. > > - Maluvia I agree, but I guess I stopped reading the other thread when it got heated to the point that you branched off into this one? Personally, I have no problems paying for this library, except that right now I don't have a job, so it will have to wait until I get a new one. What the attitude is with some Linux users, I don't know... Someone flipped on me because I accept donations at UbuntuStudio.com to help pay for the site fees and whatnot (I haven't actually received any donations, but that's besides the point). They said I started the site for the love of money and that they would not be supporting me. Oooook then. Dana From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Mar 7 23:21:48 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue Mar 7 23:21:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Totally OT (was Rhythm Galaxy vol.1 drum/percussion sample library) In-Reply-To: <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <200603072321.48342.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 07 March 2006 22:02, Maluvia wrote: >I assume, (perhaps erroneously), the following things: > >1. Everyone, unless they are independently wealthy, living on a > pension, or a hobo, has a job or self-employment income by means of > which they are enabled to pay their bills and purchase the goods and > services they either require or simply desire. > >2. All said individuals are actually being *paid* a wage, salary, or >receiving some form of income for this work - else they could not pay > the rent with it, so to speak. > >3. All these same individuals believe they *deserve* to be paid for >whatever work they do for their employer - or if self-employed - for >whatever goods or services they offer for sale. > >This being the case, how on earth can such individuals make the case > that they deserve to be paid for what they do for a living, while an > artist, programmer, or individual in some line of work other than > their own - does not? > >Just asking. Don't apologize girl, its not required. > >I find the degree of hypocrisy underlying such a premise utterly >dumbfounding - not to mention the conceit. Its a puzzle to me too, and all I can add is a hearty Amen. >- Maluvia -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Mar 7 23:32:43 2006 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue Mar 7 23:32:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Totally OT (was Rhythm Galaxy vol.1 drum/percussion sample library) In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30603071909j7879a7ccua1caa95c9b1729ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> <1b6a07c30603071909j7879a7ccua1caa95c9b1729ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603072332.43136.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 07 March 2006 22:09, Dana Olson wrote: >On 3/7/06, Maluvia wrote: >> I assume, (perhaps erroneously), the following things: >> >> 1. Everyone, unless they are independently wealthy, living on a >> pension, or a hobo, has a job or self-employment income by means of >> which they are enabled to pay their bills and purchase the goods and >> services they either require or simply desire. >> >> 2. All said individuals are actually being *paid* a wage, salary, or >> receiving some form of income for this work - else they could not >> pay the rent with it, so to speak. >> >> 3. All these same individuals believe they *deserve* to be paid for >> whatever work they do for their employer - or if self-employed - for >> whatever goods or services they offer for sale. >> >> This being the case, how on earth can such individuals make the case >> that they deserve to be paid for what they do for a living, while an >> artist, programmer, or individual in some line of work other than >> their own - does not? >> >> Just asking. >> >> I find the degree of hypocrisy underlying such a premise utterly >> dumbfounding - not to mention the conceit. >> >> - Maluvia > >I agree, but I guess I stopped reading the other thread when it got >heated to the point that you branched off into this one? > >Personally, I have no problems paying for this library, except that >right now I don't have a job, so it will have to wait until I get a >new one. > >What the attitude is with some Linux users, I don't know... Someone >flipped on me because I accept donations at UbuntuStudio.com to help >pay for the site fees and whatnot (I haven't actually received any >donations, but that's besides the point). They said I started the site >for the love of money and that they would not be supporting me. Oooook >then. No, its definitely NOT ok. I don't think its a bit unreasonable to want to recoup the sites costs, or to charge for the high bitrate version of the 11k/sec sampler. The bottom line is of course, and everyone with the its gotta be free attitude should understand that the site, however usefull it might be for those whose interests are in line with your's, will in fact go away if its not supported well enough for you to pay the bills. Thats simple economics 101 stuff & like the girl said, the hypocrasy runs rampant here. Leave me out. I'll be eternally gratefull if someone manages to come up with a pay as you go billing system where a good track could be sold for a buck, hopefully to 100k people, without the billing system eating 99k of the sales as overhead. Then I firmly believe we will have ushered in the marketing concept that will well and truely be the death knell of the creative accounting the RIAA, et all, get away with currently. >Dana -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 00:39:49 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Mar 8 00:39:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: DVD-Audio In-Reply-To: <20060307204116.GC3360@jdboyd.zill.net> References: <200603021518020520.024DE64E@mail.imbris.net> <20060303182036.A61784068@joseph.doink.com> <20060307204116.GC3360@jdboyd.zill.net> Message-ID: On 3/8/06, Joshua Boyd wrote: > On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 10:20:34AM -0800, Kevin Cosgrove wrote: > > > I have one DVD-Audio disc. It only plays in audiophile DVD players > > that specificly advertise that they play DVD-Audio. It isn't > > recognized by computer DVD drives, nor by consumer DVD players. > > As a counter-sample, my sole DVD-Audio disk will play in consumer DVD > players as a DVD-Video disk showing a tracklist menu while playing AC3 > encoded music. While I have a DVD-Audio player in my office, I only > have the digital outputs hooked up (feeding into a Dolby E encoder), and > when playing DVD-Audio disks, it only uses the analog outputs, so I can > only use this disk in the non-DVD-Audio player. > > -- > Joshua D. Boyd > jdboyd@jdboyd.net > http://www.jdboyd.net/ > http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ > How about just getting a vinyl cutter instead? http://www.vestax.co.uk/content.asp?ContentID=16 ;-) Loki From gateswideopen at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 01:08:56 2006 From: gateswideopen at gmail.com (we are) Date: Wed Mar 8 01:09:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp pcmcia issues, again... In-Reply-To: <5969dc560603071910oc58eeb3m4b63f3f47a041b6c@mail.gmail.com> References: <5969dc560603071751l71d580ft8d499a2267eee7a3@mail.gmail.com> <1141785864.3509.17.camel@localhost> <1141786362.7625.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5969dc560603071910oc58eeb3m4b63f3f47a041b6c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5969dc560603072208h798f98beo9cf6cca8670ef6f6@mail.gmail.com> ok, so here is another weird thingy that i have found, not only o i have distortion when getting my multiface to run, i also have input channels routing to wierd places. if i watch my hdspmixer while sending an analog signal through channel 1, it also shows a vu through channels 4,5 and 6 ? equally, if i test a sine tone in pd, the vu meters on all input channels light up? weird behavior. oh, and all input and output sounds are completely distorted.... > actually lee, it stands a pretty reasonable chance of being the problem. > it bit ico and me quite hard, although to be fair, it appeared to be > fixed (at least for my cardbus bridge) in the mid-stream 2.6 kernel > series. well here's all the info i can scrounge up about my cardbus.... if anyone understands anything at all about this, i would be really greatful on a lead as to what i can do here. hexdumps and WPCREDIT comparison below. for some reason wpcredit does some wierd thing with the order of the dumps but its all there. as you can see they are not entirely the same but very similar. here's my rme pcmcia card (sorry bout the formatting) ----------------------------------------------- localhost tom # hexdump -v /proc/bus/pci/04/00.0 0000000 10ee 3fc5 0086 0200 0032 0401 ff00 0000 0000010 0000 5400 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000020 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000030 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0111 0000 0000040 ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff 0000050 ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff 0000060 ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff 0000070 ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff 0000080 ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff 0000090 ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff 00000a0 ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff 00000b0 ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff 00000c0 ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff 00000d0 ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff 00000e0 ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff 00000f0 ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff 0000100 (and windows) -------------------------------------------------------- WPCREDIT Version 1.2a / Copyright (c) 1998-99 By H.Oda! -------------------------------------------------------- PCI Bus : 4 Vendor ID: 10EE Device : 0 Device ID: 3FC5 Function: 0 Revision : 32 Audio Controller -------------------------------------------------------- 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 00 | EE 10 C5 3F 86 00 00 02 32 00 01 04 00 FF 00 00 10 | 00 00 FF CF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 11 01 00 00 40 | FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 50 | FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 60 | FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 70 | FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 80 | FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 90 | FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF A0 | FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF B0 | FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF C0 | FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF D0 | FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF E0 | FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF F0 | FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF -------------------------------------------------------- and here's my cardbus bridge --------------------------------------------------- localhost tom # hexdump -v /proc/bus/pci/03/01.0 0000000 1180 0476 0007 0210 00b3 0607 a800 0082 0000010 0000 fbf0 00dc 0200 0403 b007 0000 5000 0000020 f000 51ff 0000 5400 f000 55ff d000 0000 0000030 d0fc 0000 d400 0000 d4fc 0000 01ff 0503 0000040 1043 1967 0001 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000050 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000060 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000070 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000080 0001 30a0 0300 0000 0463 0463 0000 0000 0000090 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 00000a0 0008 0000 0000 0000 0000 000c 0000 0000 00000b0 0000 0000 0000 2200 3000 0000 0000 0000 00000c0 1043 1967 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 00000d0 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0001 fe0a 00000e0 c000 24c0 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 00000f0 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000100 "and Windoze" -------------------------------------------------------- WPCREDIT Version 1.2a / Copyright (c) 1998-99 By H.Oda! -------------------------------------------------------- PCI Bus : 3 Vendor ID: 1180 Device : 1 Device ID: 0476 Function: 0 Revision : B3 Card bus Bridge -------------------------------------------------------- 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 00 | 80 11 76 04 07 01 10 02 B3 00 07 06 00 F8 82 00 10 | 00 F0 B7 FF DC 00 00 02 03 04 04 40 00 E0 B7 FF 20 | 00 E0 B7 FF 00 00 00 CC 00 F0 FF CF 00 FE 00 00 30 | FC FE 00 00 00 FD 00 00 FC FD 00 00 11 01 03 04 40 | 43 10 67 19 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 50 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 60 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 70 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 | 01 00 A0 30 00 00 00 00 63 04 63 04 00 00 00 00 90 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 A0 | 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0C 00 00 00 00 00 B0 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 22 00 30 00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 | 43 10 67 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 0A FE E0 | 00 40 C0 24 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F0 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 -------------------------------------------------------- i have been trying to translate ico's steps in the post... http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0404.1/0531.html but i do not know the jargon. but it seems like i have a similar problem. > however, i think dwayne holsbeck raises some other good issues too. i have attempted to step everything back to 32kbs but there is no change in the distortion or functionality. cheers crew tom . From peder at musikhuset.org Wed Mar 8 02:06:11 2006 From: peder at musikhuset.org (Peder Hedlund) Date: Wed Mar 8 02:06:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Converting Unsigned Byte Audio to 2-Channel WAV with SOX In-Reply-To: <200603071705.k27H5uhn070274@dc.cis.okstate.edu> References: <200603071705.k27H5uhn070274@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Message-ID: > If I cat the original PCM file which is unsigned 8-bit mono > >/dev/dsp, it sounds normal. I think the corruption occurs when that > unsigned byte audio is read as signed audio. Have you tried replacing "-t ub" with "-t uw" ? There's also a "-u" flag for "unsigned linear". What does 'file' say about your file? - Peder From kvehmanen at eca.cx Wed Mar 8 02:55:03 2006 From: kvehmanen at eca.cx (Kai Vehmanen) Date: Wed Mar 8 02:52:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <158277e20603071708q4eb2456cld32304fe9eaf49fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <14552133.1951141766723094.JavaMail.root@mugen> <158277e20603071708q4eb2456cld32304fe9eaf49fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Mike Taht wrote: > In particular I wanted to make it easier to do a call in radio station > (see rivendell) and integrating the voice to mp3 function and music to > mp3 function struck me as asterisk with jack as a natural bridge... > > If ladspa plugins could be run through asterisk or a jack compliant > sip phone you could give your outgoing voice calls a little bass boost > for that "voice of god" effect... I'm currently working with the sofia-sip project and we have a couple of test clients that use gstreamer for media and rtp. Gstreamer's JACK support is unfortunately not quite up to date, but at least it has LADSPA support, and an architecture that makes it easy to add new processing elements to the voice send/receive chains. - http://sofia-sip.sourceforge.net/ - http://sofia-sip.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/twiki-bin/view/SofiaSIP/SofiaApplications .. see the Gaim SIP plugin, Farsight/Telepathy and Tapioca apps These are so far just clients of course, but you can use them to connect to asterisk or to conference bridges (or use the libraries to build your own and/or enhance asterisk). Btw, in true ecasound-fashion ;), I'm working on a state-of-art, console-mode SIP VoIP/IM client that uses gstreamer for RTP and media (and hopefully JACK support at some point): - http://sofia-sip.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/twiki-bin/view/SofiaSIP/SofSipCli > stuff like that. It doesn't make sense to me that these two worlds - > telephony and professional audio - should be seperated. True, lot of the audio routing and processing functionality can be used in telephony apps, while transport of media over wide area networks is of interest to the audio crowd as well. -- http://www.eca.cx Audio software for Linux! From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Mar 8 03:12:58 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Mar 8 03:13:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT (was Rhythm Galaxy vol.1 drum/percussion sample library) In-Reply-To: <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: > This being the case, how on earth can such individuals make the case that > they deserve to be paid for what they do for a living, while an artist, > programmer, or individual in some line of work other than their own - does > not? Ah, I was wondering where the 'OT' dicussions were... LOL, not really OT but simply with a philosophical focus, and just as important. We gotta discuss these things ya know :) I believe the reason why digital products with a cost are frowned upon so heavily is simply that there is no cost (or very little cost) for reproduction, and hence their potential for widespread use and EXTREME network effects (especially when re-use is permitted) are much greater when they are distributed under one of the free licenses. I do not believe that proper compensation is not possible under these circumstances. The proper way to do it has simply not been implemented yet very widely. This guy http://tipping.selfpromotion.com might be a good place to start looking. That classic economics problem is this: Price | \ | \ |- - \ | ?\ | ? \ |_________________ Quantity x For any given price, you have a number of people who would have bought if the price was lower, and a number of people who would have bought even if the price was higher. The proper price is a compromise of the two. The income you yield is price times quantity, represented in the diagram by the area of the square. If you start a tipping economy, AND you assume that everyone will tip his or her highest price possible (which they will, if they are grateful enough for your product and have been able to earn some money with it as well), and further assume they will if you succeed in making them very grateful for your service, you need no such compomise; your yield is represented by the area of the complete triangle. Not to mention free viral advertising. My theory is that for good tipping marketing two things must be done: 1. Create a good product 2. Make the product as personal as possible to promote gratitude (If you've got a bald head and a pot belly that's great, it helps make you human and people will be thrilled that this less-than-perfect human is working his butt off for them) In my case, this will probably be the 'looks gay but is friendly sympathy bonus', LOL I can't wait to get some good songs out to test this. For linux software (and other free software) what we need is a good method for tipping distribution, because there are so many people involved who all deserve their fair share, so people simply can tip to 'linux audio' and the bulk will be covered... including kernel, libraries... And they then may proceed to tipping towards special sympathies :) You know, I just know this can work, and I'm looking forward to. Carlo From contact at alexandredenis.net Wed Mar 8 04:04:59 2006 From: contact at alexandredenis.net (Alexandre DENIS) Date: Wed Mar 8 04:05:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: slightly OT: supercomputer music In-Reply-To: References: <1141539861.3100.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060307225715.GD3360@jdboyd.zill.net> Message-ID: <440E9E3B.1060005@alexandredenis.net> Loki Davison wrote: > Well, think about the name NUMA. If you don't have a deterministic > memory access time then realtime is somewhat difficult. On NUMA, remote memory access is done in constant time (the so-called "NUMA factor"), so all memory accesses are bounded in time. Not deterministic, but the high bound is known. But even on cluster, MPI may be suitable for realtime audio. The typical latency of MPI over a high performance network is bellow 10 usec which should be enough for audio. -a. From cesare at poeticstudios.com Wed Mar 8 04:58:52 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Wed Mar 8 04:59:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT (was Rhythm Galaxy vol.1 drum/percussion sample library) In-Reply-To: References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <440EAADC.60906@poeticstudios.com> Carlo Capocasa wrote: >>This being the case, how on earth can such individuals make the case that >>they deserve to be paid for what they do for a living, while an artist, >>programmer, or individual in some line of work other than their own - does >>not? >> >> > >Ah, I was wondering where the 'OT' dicussions were... LOL, not really OT >but simply with a philosophical focus, and just as important. We gotta >discuss these things ya know :) > >I believe the reason why digital products with a cost are frowned upon >so heavily is simply that there is no cost (or very little cost) for >reproduction, and hence their potential for widespread use and EXTREME >network effects (especially when re-use is permitted) are much greater >when they are distributed under one of the free licenses. > >I do not believe that proper compensation is not possible under these >circumstances. The proper way to do it has simply not been implemented >yet very widely. > >This guy > >http://tipping.selfpromotion.com > >might be a good place to start looking. > >That classic economics problem is this: > >Price > >| \ >| \ >|- - \ >| ?\ >| ? \ >|_________________ Quantity > x > >For any given price, you have a number of people who would have bought >if the price was lower, and a number of people who would have bought >even if the price was higher. The proper price is a compromise of the >two. The income you yield is price times quantity, represented in the >diagram by the area of the square. > >If you start a tipping economy, AND you assume that everyone will tip >his or her highest price possible (which they will, if they are grateful >enough for your product and have been able to earn some money with it as >well), and further assume they will if you succeed in making them very >grateful for your service, you need no such compomise; your yield is >represented by the area of the complete triangle. > >Not to mention free viral advertising. > >My theory is that for good tipping marketing two things must be done: > >1. Create a good product >2. Make the product as personal as possible to promote gratitude (If >you've got a bald head and a pot belly that's great, it helps make you >human and people will be thrilled that this less-than-perfect human is >working his butt off for them) > >In my case, this will probably be the 'looks gay but is friendly >sympathy bonus', LOL > >I can't wait to get some good songs out to test this. > >For linux software (and other free software) what we need is a good >method for tipping distribution, because there are so many people >involved who all deserve their fair share, so people simply can tip to >'linux audio' and the bulk will be covered... including kernel, >libraries... And they then may proceed to tipping towards special >sympathies :) > >You know, I just know this can work, and I'm looking forward to. > >Carlo > > > > > I'm with you Carlo. Perhaps you already knew. To me the hypocrisy is questioning about these issues without taking the tipping option into consideration. Personally, I went in this direction. Is it working? Not yet. I received three donations since more than a year ago, when I started this . And two of them came from two kind people on this list, for whom this solution is maybe obvious. The reason - and this is the strongest hypocrisy - is also that people think that if you don't sell your work, but just ask for voluntary donations, you can afford it. Another reason, and this is why I was sarcastic with your first post, Maluvia, is that there are still people who believe that a printed cd sounds better than a cd-r or a flac file downloaded from the Net. Or just that they're two completely differen things. I contacted the same magazines that reviewed some of my printed records rating them as masterpieces of the genre. When they saw that I was giving my newer stuff as free downloads they din't even care to listen. Dana, to me it is great that you put a donation button on ubuntustudio.org. And your ambition should be that one day this could give you even a greater income than just enough to pay the hosting fees. For people it is ok to pay for a magazine full of advertising and with a content written by somebody who stumbled upon the topic the day before he wrote the article. Sorry for my poor english. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From ats at offog.org Wed Mar 8 05:58:27 2006 From: ats at offog.org (Adam Sampson) Date: Wed Mar 8 05:58:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <440EAADC.60906@poeticstudios.com> (Cesare Marilungo's message of "Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:58:52 +0100") References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> <440EAADC.60906@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: Cesare Marilungo writes: > Another reason, and this is why I was sarcastic with your first > post, Maluvia, is that there are still people who believe that a > printed cd sounds better than a cd-r or a flac file downloaded from > the Net. It won't sound better, but there are other advantages to buying a real CD (even if it's a CDR that the band's produced themselves) -- having a nicely-printed case with liner notes, and having a physical artefact that represents the music you've paid for. The cost of producing and shipping a CD (even halfway around the world) is pretty trivial these days. I'm not at all comfortable paying money just to download files, but I'm quite happy to buy CDs from musicians who've made their music available online (and have done, many times -- it's something like a third of my CD collection now). Most musicians don't make FLAC files available; they just have lossy MP3. In that case, buying the CD is the only way of getting a decent-quality version to listen to once you've decided you like the music. I don't think it's a business model that's going to make anyone fantastically wealthy, but it does seem to work pretty well for lots of musicians at the moment... -- Adam Sampson From TimBlechmann at gmx.net Wed Mar 8 06:32:16 2006 From: TimBlechmann at gmx.net (Tim Blechmann) Date: Wed Mar 8 06:30:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp pcmcia issues, again... In-Reply-To: <5969dc560603072208h798f98beo9cf6cca8670ef6f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <5969dc560603071751l71d580ft8d499a2267eee7a3@mail.gmail.com> <1141785864.3509.17.camel@localhost> <1141786362.7625.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5969dc560603071910oc58eeb3m4b63f3f47a041b6c@mail.gmail.com> <5969dc560603072208h798f98beo9cf6cca8670ef6f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141817536.21645.84.camel@localhost> if you have the similar problem that we had two years ago, it was not an alsa issue, but an issue of the cardbus bridge ... in that case, you should get in touch with the pcmcia-maintainers of the kernel ... the mailinglist is linux-pcmcia ... you could also ask Daniel Ritz directly, who was a great help solving my problem, which resulted in a kernel patch for my former o2micro cardbus bridge ... possibly it's helpful for them, if you can get a data sheet of you cardbus bridge and maybe even get in touch with the manufacturer, if that information isn't sufficient ... hth ... tim -- TimBlechmann@gmx.de ICQ: 96771783 http://www.mokabar.tk You can play a shoestring if you're sincere John Coltrane From cesare at poeticstudios.com Wed Mar 8 06:45:06 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Wed Mar 8 06:45:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> <440EAADC.60906@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <440EC3C2.6070301@poeticstudios.com> Adam Sampson wrote: >Cesare Marilungo writes: > > > >>Another reason, and this is why I was sarcastic with your first >>post, Maluvia, is that there are still people who believe that a >>printed cd sounds better than a cd-r or a flac file downloaded from >>the Net. >> >> > >It won't sound better, but there are other advantages to buying a real >CD (even if it's a CDR that the band's produced themselves) -- having >a nicely-printed case with liner notes, and having a physical artefact >that represents the music you've paid for. The cost of producing and >shipping a CD (even halfway around the world) is pretty trivial these >days. I'm not at all comfortable paying money just to download files, >but I'm quite happy to buy CDs from musicians who've made their music >available online (and have done, many times -- it's something like a >third of my CD collection now). > >Most musicians don't make FLAC files available; they just have lossy >MP3. In that case, buying the CD is the only way of getting a >decent-quality version to listen to once you've decided you like the >music. I don't think it's a business model that's going to make anyone >fantastically wealthy, but it does seem to work pretty well for lots >of musicians at the moment... > > > Not judging from what I read on forums. And anyway it is only a matter of time. For instance, I bought 20+ cds (and paid lot for them, since they were not printed in Italy but imported from england) in the past from a band who put a lot of emphasis on the fetishism of their phisical artefacts. They also used to emphasize the fact that those were *limited editions*, but the truth were that they just couldn't afford to print more copies, or they knew they wouldn't have sold more copies anyway. Now they're selling their whole catalogue on iTunes. Have they lost credibility? To me, yes. Personally, I've ripped all the physical cds I'm listening in these days at high quality lame vbr mp3s or ogg and listen to them with amaroK. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From nescivi at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 06:55:22 2006 From: nescivi at gmail.com (Marije Baalman) Date: Wed Mar 8 06:55:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> <440EAADC.60906@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <440EC62A.8090705@gmail.com> Hiho, Adam Sampson wrote: >Cesare Marilungo writes: > > >>Another reason, and this is why I was sarcastic with your first >>post, Maluvia, is that there are still people who believe that a >>printed cd sounds better than a cd-r or a flac file downloaded from >>the Net. >> >> > >It won't sound better, but there are other advantages to buying a real >CD (even if it's a CDR that the band's produced themselves) -- having >a nicely-printed case with liner notes, and having a physical artefact >that represents the music you've paid for. > there is a difference between a CD-R and a CD... not directly the sound quality, but how long the data is preserved... CD-R's decay much faster than printed CD's, even faster when not stored right. Of course, this also depends on the brand of CD-R you get: some are better than others. So in the end, it may be cheaper to get the real CD instead of a burned copy of it... as you have to renew the second one from time to time. Of course, if you don't like the music anymore after a few years, then there's no problem... sincerely, Marije From cesare at poeticstudios.com Wed Mar 8 07:20:23 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Wed Mar 8 07:20:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <440EC62A.8090705@gmail.com> References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> <440EAADC.60906@poeticstudios.com> <440EC62A.8090705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <440ECC07.6040905@poeticstudios.com> Marije Baalman wrote: > Hiho, > > Adam Sampson wrote: > >> Cesare Marilungo writes: >> >> >>> Another reason, and this is why I was sarcastic with your first >>> post, Maluvia, is that there are still people who believe that a >>> printed cd sounds better than a cd-r or a flac file downloaded from >>> the Net. >>> >> >> >> It won't sound better, but there are other advantages to buying a real >> CD (even if it's a CDR that the band's produced themselves) -- having >> a nicely-printed case with liner notes, and having a physical artefact >> that represents the music you've paid for. >> > there is a difference between a CD-R and a CD... not directly the > sound quality, but how long the data is preserved... CD-R's decay much > faster than printed CD's, even faster when not stored right. Of > course, this also depends on the brand of CD-R you get: some are > better than others. > So in the end, it may be cheaper to get the real CD instead of a > burned copy of it... as you have to renew the second one from time to > time. Of course, if you don't like the music anymore after a few > years, then there's no problem... > > sincerely, > Marije > > This is true. Even if, in my experience, it happened also with some printed cds were a wronk ink were used. For instance it happened with some phillips classical recordings. At the price of 10 cheap CDRs from a small label or mainstream 5 CDs you can buy an hard disk to backup hundreds if not thousands CDs at full quality. But my argument was that people's perception of an artefact that stores a digitalized information (music in this case) is still tied with the physical value, when what matter are just the bits. Once something has been digitalized it's archived for the eternity, or better as long as somebody owns a backup. This is also saving old records and films that would've been lost otherwise. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Wed Mar 8 08:02:21 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0dGVyIFN1bmRsw7Zm?=) Date: Wed Mar 8 08:02:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Totally OT (was Rhythm Galaxy vol.1 drum/percussion sample library) In-Reply-To: <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <440ED5DD.2050000@findus.dhs.org> The issue here is really if this mailing list is the appropriate place to advertise commercial and non-free products. Because we usually deal with free/open source software on these lists, and a large portion of the people here share music under a free license. Since the original posting here was about a commercial product, I thought it was inappropriate ('cause spam isn't allow, I can't see how this is any different) and wondered if he might be interested in reciprocating to the community in a more libre way. (I only asked this because I only use free software and liberated resources (sounds, samples, patches et cetera) and most of my friends do too; we release our materials under free license). Just wanted to explain my reason for asking him. I didn't want to tell him NOT to ask for money for his product (however I do question the appropriateness of posting it here). Cheers, Petter Sundl?f From arnold.krille at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 08:25:15 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Wed Mar 8 08:25:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Aligning audiofiles for different recorders. In-Reply-To: <1141753444.7625.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <2def88b80603070705i1a2247e2y27a8615e0355a8bc@mail.gmail.com> <20060307160205.40612.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2def88b80603070835x4e164377k6b7dbead4d2c5b8@mail.gmail.com> <1141753444.7625.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2def88b80603080525r6935b44eyecbe3bfaa43232a2@mail.gmail.com> 2006/3/7, Paul Davis : > in terms of automating the alignment, it seems that ardour should > probably add a new feature: "position sync point at loudest sample". > then you just make sure you have a loud reference point in each file, > set up the sync points, and then align them all to a single reference > region. And for merchandising "now" on ardours website: The ardour-shutter! Making big noise and promoting your favourite DAW to the crowds editing the movies... I would buy one. Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From notmyprivateemail at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 09:01:32 2006 From: notmyprivateemail at gmail.com (Alex Polite) Date: Wed Mar 8 09:01:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Aligning audiofiles for different recorders. In-Reply-To: <2def88b80603070835x4e164377k6b7dbead4d2c5b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <2def88b80603070705i1a2247e2y27a8615e0355a8bc@mail.gmail.com> <20060307160205.40612.qmail@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2def88b80603070835x4e164377k6b7dbead4d2c5b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/7/06, Arnold Krille wrote: > > I just figured a single person cluttering around at the interviewees > house struggling with wireless-set, compressor, mixer and recorder > (which might be laptop + external interface) which all need power and > a lot of cords to connect them and something doesn't work as it should > and the interviewee has only limited time for you and you waste it by > adjusting levels on three-to-four different devices... Exactly thing I want to avoid. alex -- Alex Polite http://flosspick.org - finding the right open source From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 09:17:19 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Mar 8 09:17:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <440ECC07.6040905@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> <440EAADC.60906@poeticstudios.com> <440EC62A.8090705@gmail.com> <440ECC07.6040905@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: On 3/8/06, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Marije Baalman wrote: > > > Hiho, > > > > Adam Sampson wrote: > > > >> Cesare Marilungo writes: > >> > >> > >>> Another reason, and this is why I was sarcastic with your first > >>> post, Maluvia, is that there are still people who believe that a > >>> printed cd sounds better than a cd-r or a flac file downloaded from > >>> the Net. > >>> > >> > >> > >> It won't sound better, but there are other advantages to buying a real > >> CD (even if it's a CDR that the band's produced themselves) -- having > >> a nicely-printed case with liner notes, and having a physical artefact > >> that represents the music you've paid for. > >> > > there is a difference between a CD-R and a CD... not directly the > > sound quality, but how long the data is preserved... CD-R's decay much > > faster than printed CD's, even faster when not stored right. Of > > course, this also depends on the brand of CD-R you get: some are > > better than others. > > So in the end, it may be cheaper to get the real CD instead of a > > burned copy of it... as you have to renew the second one from time to > > time. Of course, if you don't like the music anymore after a few > > years, then there's no problem... > > > > sincerely, > > Marije > > > > > This is true. Even if, in my experience, it happened also with some > printed cds were a wronk ink were used. For instance it happened with > some phillips classical recordings. > > At the price of 10 cheap CDRs from a small label or mainstream 5 CDs > you can buy an hard disk to backup hundreds if not thousands CDs at full > quality. > > But my argument was that people's perception of an artefact that stores > a digitalized information (music in this case) is still tied with the > physical value, when what matter are just the bits. > > Once something has been digitalized it's archived for the eternity, or > better as long as somebody owns a backup. This is also saving old > records and films that would've been lost otherwise. > > c. > -- > www.cesaremarilungo.com > I actually pretty much don't buy cds. If i can get it on vinyl i'll buy it that way otherwise i'll live without or get it digitally. Got a few cd's from gigs were vinyl wasn't an option but usually it's not a big problem. Transport / storage does become an issue though. Small apartment, large record collection, arse when moving etc. 500-600 vinyl takes a lot of room! ;-) Loki From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Mar 8 12:32:02 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Mar 8 10:42:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <20685586.1851141762329413.JavaMail.root@mugen> (Lee A. Azzarello's message of "Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:12:09 -0500 (EST)") References: <20685586.1851141762329413.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <87r75c3krx.fsf@esben-stien.name> "Lee A. Azzarello" writes: > I have tried to connect soft phones to a jack server and none > worked. You can use oss2jack. It will work with iaxcomm and kphone with no problems. Been using it for many months. It also works to some degree with asterisk, but got some chopping sounds. I badly need a terminal client, but I've decided to leave asterisk in favor of freeswitch. > I have an Asterisk server running that has /plenty/ of bandwidth to > go around for conference rooms. This is really great cause sipphone.com has a problem with users idling. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Mar 8 12:40:45 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Mar 8 10:51:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <20060307223025.GA945@falcon.fugal.net> (Hans Fugal's message of "Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:30:25 -0700") References: <20685586.1851141762329413.JavaMail.root@mugen> <158277e20603071231m6f679583pc49dfc47e6fb9da1@mail.gmail.com> <1141764539.767.68.camel@mindpipe> <20060307223025.GA945@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <87mzg03kde.fsf@esben-stien.name> Hans Fugal writes: > I once upon a time started a jack IAX client Woah, this is really great. I hope you continue with this project. We badly need a terminal client. I really don't need a GUI for this. Why not use a simple existing SIP stack?. An extremely simple client to just connect to the PBX is really enough for me. Anything else I can do by sending messages to the PBX. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Mar 8 12:46:32 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Mar 8 10:57:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <158277e20603071642o3ed45c9drca0e7c23a0f751f9@mail.gmail.com> (Mike Taht's message of "Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:42:45 -0800") References: <20685586.1851141762329413.JavaMail.root@mugen> <158277e20603071231m6f679583pc49dfc47e6fb9da1@mail.gmail.com> <1141764539.767.68.camel@mindpipe> <20060307223025.GA945@falcon.fugal.net> <158277e20603071642o3ed45c9drca0e7c23a0f751f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87irqo3k3r.fsf@esben-stien.name> "Mike Taht" writes: > invalid syntax Damn, /me hides. I knew this too well;). The SIP URI is just like any URL and can contain any character of course. > welcome to (..) Yeah, would be great with a greeting, too > anything in sipphone.com's terms of service against using their > conferencing service in this way? Well, if Lee setups a room on his PBX, then we don't need sipphone.com and that's great because it seems they kick idlers. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Mar 8 12:51:15 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Mar 8 11:01:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <14552133.1951141766723094.JavaMail.root@mugen> (Lee A. Azzarello's message of "Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:25:23 -0500 (EST)") References: <14552133.1951141766723094.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <87ek1c3jvw.fsf@esben-stien.name> "Lee A. Azzarello" writes: > not (..) sure how an Asterisk jack channel would function for RTP > input to Asterisk. What would do the signalling? Not sure what you mean. You don't stream anything directly to asterisk without going through a stack. > I'll work on setting up a conference room with a limit of 15 users Excellent. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Mar 8 12:54:39 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Mar 8 11:05:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <158277e20603071708q4eb2456cld32304fe9eaf49fe@mail.gmail.com> (Mike Taht's message of "Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:08:14 -0800") References: <14552133.1951141766723094.JavaMail.root@mugen> <158277e20603071708q4eb2456cld32304fe9eaf49fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87acc03jq8.fsf@esben-stien.name> "Mike Taht" writes: > a call in radio station This is my idea as well. I want listeners to call in using VOIP. > If ladspa plugins could be run through asterisk or a jack compliant > sip phone you could give your outgoing voice calls a little bass boost > for that "voice of god" effect... This is fully possible and it's working without problems for me using oss2jack. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From jstutters at jeremah.co.uk Wed Mar 8 11:06:25 2006 From: jstutters at jeremah.co.uk (Jonny Stutters) Date: Wed Mar 8 11:06:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Indigo IO problems Message-ID: <440F0101.60908@jeremah.co.uk> Hi all, I'm currently attempting to set up an Acer 3220 laptop running Gentoo. The soundcard I'm using is an Echo Indigo IO PCMCIA. The card worked fine with my last laptop and works ok in Windows on the new computer. So it's definitely something to do with Linux on this laptop. The problem is that Linux doesn't seem to see it at all - no mention in dmesg or /var/log/messages apart from an acknowledgment that there's a card in the slot. The internal Intel card and an Edirol UM-2 are seen fine so ALSA is presumably ok (snd-indigoio modprobes without any errors as well). I've tried the Gentoo 2.6.15 kernel and MM sources 2.6.16 with the same results. Also tried ALSA 1.0.10 and 1.0.11. The laptop has a Yenta cardbus bridge which is supported and detected so I don't think that's the issue. To be honest I don't have any idea where to start with solving this problem so any help would be much appreciated. I'm not keen to go down the new hardware route but if anyone does have reports of working configurations with this (or a similar) laptop that'd also be good. Cheers, Jonny www.jeremah.co.uk From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Wed Mar 8 11:07:55 2006 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Wed Mar 8 11:07:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Converting Unsigned Byte Audio to 2-Channel WAV with SOX solved. Message-ID: <200603081607.k28G7thn053286@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Peder Hedlund writes: > Have you tried replacing "-t ub" with "-t uw" ? That created an interesting effect. The original data are unsigned linear 8-bit samples. Silence is represented by 0x7f or 0x80 with 0 being the low extreme and 0xff being the highest extreme. Using uw or unsigned words told sox that this was 8,000 16-bit samples per second. It did that just fine and produced audio that was twice the correct pitch. > There's also a "-u" flag for "unsigned linear". > What does 'file' say about your file? There is no header on that file so it just says "data." The -u flag appeared to have no effect since sox already understood the data were unsigned linear. sox: resample opts: Kaiser window, cutoff 0.950000, beta 16.000000 sox: Input file cdda.ub: using sample rate 8000 size bytes, encoding unsigned, 1 channel sox: Do not support unsigned with 16-bit data. Forcing to Signed. sox: Writing Wave file: Microsoft PCM format, 2 channels, 44100 samp/sec sox: 176400 byte/sec, 4 block align, 16 bits/samp sox: Output file output.wav: using sample rate 44100 size shorts, encoding signed (2's complement), 2 channels sox: Output file: comment "Processed by SoX" sox: resample: rate ratio 80:441, coeff interpolation not needed sox: Finished writing Wave file, 125728820 data bytes 62864410 samples I began to wonder if the problem was in the resampling algorithm. If you listen to the sound, the glitches are at regular intervals at about 10 hits per second. When there is voice present, it sounds as if the "sixty Minutes" stopwatch was ticking away at around ten ticks per second and there were little segments missing from words. As I previously sed, the pitch was correct. I then tried the following line to change the algorithm: sox -V -r8000 cdda.ub -t wav -c 2 -w -r44100 output.wav polyphase .95 You can't tell any audible difference between the upconverted .wav file and the original unsigned linear data file. Being at 8000 samples/sec, the audio is voice grade and is a recording of two-way radio communications so it isn't the best anyway, but it appears that using the polyphase algorithm fixed the problem. The latest Debian port of sox is sox: Version 12.17.7. I am not sure but what the version was different a couple of years ago when I first wrote that script using the resample algorithm instead of polyphase. Maybe the previous version of sox had some different defaults and it forced polyphase, somehow. Thanks, Peder, for your suggestions on things to try as they got me to look at everything more closely. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Network Operations Group From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Mar 8 13:10:03 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Mar 8 11:20:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <1DF0F509-F0C1-45B3-B8E3-CB0EEF2457A9@spamblock.demon.co.uk> (Dan Mills's message of "Wed, 8 Mar 2006 01:25:19 +0000") References: <14552133.1951141766723094.JavaMail.root@mugen> <158277e20603071708q4eb2456cld32304fe9eaf49fe@mail.gmail.com> <1DF0F509-F0C1-45B3-B8E3-CB0EEF2457A9@spamblock.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <8764mo3j0k.fsf@esben-stien.name> Dan Mills writes: > A sip <-> jack "hybrid" would be way cool, but while that covers the > audio side of the problem, it leaves the call setup and control > side. The way this now with freeswitch is that you send messages to the server. No, not using OSC, though I have mentioned it to them;). They are using a simple text protocol over Jabber. With this you can transfer your call to a conference room, then call other participants and raise and lower their volumes, f.ex, just by sending these messages. (bind them to a midi controller) > Perhaps a daemon that could connect multiple sip "lines" to jackd > and provided a couple of fifos to communicate line status and to > handle dialing? This is not really necessary as you really only need one bus to send and one to receive, using ardour;) covering the mic and different feeds with a midi controller (like feed0, feed1) if you do all call management on the server, by sending these messages. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Mar 8 12:02:51 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Mar 8 11:33:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Totally OT (was Rhythm Galaxy vol.1 drum/percussion sample library) In-Reply-To: <440ED5DD.2050000@findus.dhs.org> References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> <440ED5DD.2050000@findus.dhs.org> Message-ID: <440F0E3B.5070207@woh.rr.com> Petter Sundl?f wrote: > Since the original posting here was about a commercial product, I > thought it was inappropriate ('cause spam isn't allow, I can't see how > this is any different) and wondered if he might be interested in > reciprocating to the community in a more libre way. Artemiy is already a contributor to the Hydrogen project. From lee at rockingtiger.com Wed Mar 8 11:38:26 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Wed Mar 8 11:38:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room Message-ID: <934966.2481141835906034.JavaMail.root@mugen> ----- Esben Stien wrote: > "Mike Taht" writes: > > > a call in radio station > > This is my idea as well. I want listeners to call in using VOIP. > > > If ladspa plugins could be run through asterisk or a jack compliant > > sip phone you could give your outgoing voice calls a little bass > boost > > for that "voice of god" effect... > > This is fully possible and it's working without problems for me using > oss2jack. In my experience oss2jack is /very/ application dependent. What softphone did you successfully use it with? I too have used a softphone for a radio station, but that was running on a sepperate computer and going through a hardware mixing board, using the classic aux send phone hybrid style. The addition of seperate input and output with the softphone makes a traditional hybrid obsolete, which made me very happy. All of this can work if a softphone which runs on Linux can connect to JACK, which I think is the point of this discussion. -lee From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Wed Mar 8 12:07:05 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0dGVyIFN1bmRsw7Zm?=) Date: Wed Mar 8 12:07:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Totally OT (was Rhythm Galaxy vol.1 drum/percussion sample library) In-Reply-To: <440F0E3B.5070207@woh.rr.com> References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> <440ED5DD.2050000@findus.dhs.org> <440F0E3B.5070207@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <440F0F39.8030504@findus.dhs.org> That's somehow not very relevant. Dave Phillips wrote: > Petter Sundl?f wrote: > >> Since the original posting here was about a commercial product, I >> thought it was inappropriate ('cause spam isn't allow, I can't see how >> this is any different) and wondered if he might be interested in >> reciprocating to the community in a more libre way. > > > Artemiy is already a contributor to the Hydrogen project. > > From terakuma at imbris.net Wed Mar 8 12:19:35 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Wed Mar 8 12:19:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <20060308140143.E67879E34DC@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060308140143.E67879E34DC@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603080919350180.00C4FE05@mail.imbris.net> >Since the original posting here was about a commercial product, I >thought it was inappropriate ('cause spam isn't allow, I can't see how >this is any different) > . . . . . >Just wanted to explain my reason for asking him. I didn't want to tell >him NOT to ask for money for his product (however I do question the >appropriateness of posting it here). Since Artemiy is obviously a member of the oss community - making many free contributions himself, and offering a very inexpensive product as well, I didn't really view this as spam - but yes, perhaps this list wasn't the appropriate place to promote it. What I took exception to was the censure he seemed to be receiving for asking money for his product.. >Ah, I was wondering where the 'OT' dicussions were... LOL, not really OT >but simply with a philosophical focus, and just as important. :) Until I am much more code-savvy and knowledgeable about electronics, I'm afraid 'OT' is mostly all I can contribute. But this community is centered around certain philosophies bearing on copyright, free software, free music, etc., and these philosphies need to be periodically revisited and subject to vigorous debate. We're obviously not 'there' yet with it all - lot's of issues still need to be worked out. >I believe the reason why digital products with a cost are frowned upon >so heavily is simply that there is no cost (or very little cost) for >reproduction, 'Reproduction' is not the only cost factor. There is a considerable cost in *production* that must also be taken into account. Computer hardware and high-quality audio hardware are not cheap, nor are fine musical instruments. Neither are the equipment and supplies needed to manufacture and ship your own CDs, and neither is the cost of hosting a website, maintaining a merchant account, etc. Costs of production/reproduction aside, there remains the intrinsic worth of the creative work itself. Even were it to cost nothing to produce, a beautiful work of art still holds value simply for what it is. >I do not believe that proper compensation is not possible under these >circumstances. The proper way to do it has simply not been implemented >yet very widely. Agreed. >This guy > >http://tipping.selfpromotion.com > >might be a good place to start looking. >If you start a tipping economy, AND you assume that everyone will tip >his or her highest price possible (which they will, if they are grateful >enough for your product and have been able to earn some money with it as >well), and further assume they will if you succeed in making them very >grateful for your service, you need no such compomise; your yield is >represented by the area of the complete triangle. > >Not to mention free viral advertising. Yup - no better advertising than word-of-mouth. >For linux software (and other free software) what we need is a good >method for tipping distribution, because there are so many people >involved who all deserve their fair share, so people simply can tip to >'linux audio' and the bulk will be covered... including kernel, >libraries... And they then may proceed to tipping towards special >sympathies :) > >You know, I just know this can work, and I'm looking forward to I think so too, but as I said - we're not there yet. As for tipping, it is a good approach, but doesn't seem to be working very well yet. Perhaps that is due to the fact that we don't have what you call a tipping 'economy'. I wish very much that I could just tip for electricity, internet access, web hosting, food, shelter, etc., etc. Tipping is an intermediate stage between a full-scale currency-based economy and a barter-based one. Believe me, I despise currency probably more than anyone here. I wrote a treatise against the concept of 'money' and in favor of barter when I was 6 years old, and have not altered my views about it significantly since then. :). (However I don't really see how technological innovations such as we now enjoy could have come about without it). >To me the hypocrisy is questioning about these issues without taking the >tipping option into consideration. Personally, I went in this direction. Wherever did you get the idea that I wasn't taking tipping into consideration? I was taking issue with the concept that music or software must be *free* as opposed to receiving reasonable remuneration for one's effort. Tipping *is* a form of remuneration. >Is it working? > >Not yet. It obviously is not working well at this time. If someone is making a modest living off of tips, I would really love to hear about it and learn their techniques. I think Ardour is a perfect case in point. As I understand it, Paul has received little more than $2K in donations - mostly from *one* individual - vs the $60K+ of his own he has put into development. He had to go to work part or full-time (I'm not sure which) to make up for the lack of support in the way of donations. I don't think anyone here questions the value of this great software and its importance to the community, but 'tipping' doesn't seem to be working here, does it? This is not right. >The reason - and this is the strongest hypocrisy - is also that people >think that if you don't sell your work, but just ask for voluntary >donations, you can afford it. It's actually worse than that: many people think that if you don't sell your work, it is because it is not *worth* anything. I know of many cases in the real world, where people selling various forms of arts and crafts actually experienced an *increase* in sales when they raised their prices considerably. There are some very obtuse mindsets at work here - brand-name snobbery, and the like. >Another reason, and this is why I was sarcastic with your first post, >Maluvia, is that there are still people who believe that a printed cd >sounds better than a cd-r or a flac file downloaded from the Net. Or >just that they're two completely differen things. Ah - another misunderstanding there, I think. I was not equating what I perceive to be 'audiophile' quality of music with its monetary worth. There is the music itself - the content which has intrinsic worth, no matter how poor the production quality may be. And it is precisely this value which seems to be getting ignored in all this discussion of 'cost of reproduction', etc. The creative work has value in and of itself, regardless of the tangible form it takes or means by which it is distributed. >I contacted the same >magazines that reviewed some of my printed records rating them as >masterpieces of the genre. When they saw that I was giving my newer >stuff as free downloads they din't even care to listen. That is utterly absurd, but ubiquitous in this society. It is precisely the type of shallow mindset I was referring to earlier. >Dana, to me it is great that you put a donation button on >ubuntustudio.org. And your ambition should be that one day this could >give you even a greater income than just enough to pay the hosting fees. Yes! - if there is not an actual 'profit', then it is still 'free' from the producer's standpoint. >It won't sound better, but there are other advantages to buying a real >CD (even if it's a CDR that the band's produced themselves) -- having >a nicely-printed case with liner notes, and having a physical artefact >that represents the music you've paid for. . . . >but I'm quite happy to buy CDs from musicians who've made their music >available online (and have done, many times -- it's something like a >third of my CD collection now). > . . . . >>music. I don't think it's a business model that's going to make anyone >>fantastically wealthy, but it does seem to work pretty well for lots >>of musicians at the moment... >> >Not judging from what I read on forums. And anyway it is only a matter >of time. I doubt anyone is making a living from this yet, but some bands are having varying degrees of success selling their CDs. We did best just selling them at live performances - I'd say 90% of our CD sales have been at gigs. >For instance, I bought 20+ cds (and paid lot for them, since they were >not printed in Italy but imported from england) in the past from a band >who put a lot of emphasis on the fetishism of their phisical artefacts. >They also used to emphasize the fact that those were *limited editions*, >but the truth were that they just couldn't afford to print more copies, >or they knew they wouldn't have sold more copies anyway. > >Now they're selling their whole catalogue on iTunes. > >Have they lost credibility? To me, yes. Not sure I'm following your reasoning here. This would certainly undermine the idea that their 'limited artifacts' have some enhanced value, but doesn't make them totally worthless. That would be the same reasoning adopted by the magazines that wouldn't listen to your music once they realized you were offering some of it for free. We sell our music both in CD form and through iTunes and other paid-download sites. I see nothing wrong with this, except that what we make from the downloads is negligible. But we'll take it - not any different from taking 'tips' for the music. >there is a difference between a CD-R and a CD... not directly the sound >quality, but how long the data is preserved... CD-R's decay much faster >than printed CD's, even faster when not stored right. Of course, this >also depends on the brand of CD-R you get: some are better than others. >So in the end, it may be cheaper to get the real CD instead of a burned >copy of it... as you have to renew the second one from time to time. Of >course, if you don't like the music anymore after a few years, then >there's no problem... I think that burning the master audio files directly to the marketed CD-Rs - if they are of high quality, like Mitsui - can yield a superior sounding product vs. pressed CDs - but that is due to my perception of generational degradation involved going from the original masters to the final pressed product. (Don't want to debate that one again here. :) ) The durability of this media is another matter altogether, but even pressed CDs have a limited life-span. I've even heard of peoples CDs deteriorating due to some kind of plastic-eating fungus! >But my argument was that people's perception of an artefact that stores >a digitalized information (music in this case) is still tied with the >physical value, when what matter are just the bits. Not just the bits - what the bits represent - the artistic content matters. Not all compositions are created equal. That is why Pat Metheny can still sell his "New Chautauqua" CD for $18 even though it's 27 years old. >Once something has been digitalized it's archived for the eternity, or >better as long as somebody owns a backup. This is also saving old >records and films that would've been lost otherwise. I don't think there yet exists a media which has virtually 'eternal' archival qualities. Perhaps when we can learn to encode data into crystal lattices, or as Arthur C. Clarke envisioned, lattices of light? In short, I think tipping *is* a good step on the way to reforming the way in which artists, programmers, etc. - maybe everyone - are compensated for their work, but it must all be in the context of a more general reformation in how goods and services are exchanged and paid for. Removing the middleman whenever possible is a very good way to reduce the costs of delivering goods and hence reducing the costs needing to be recouped by the producer. That is one of the things the internet makes possible. Those who are willing to adjust their lifestyle to a more modest, sustainable, and self-sufficient one will certainly be in the best position to take advantage of these new models of trade and exchange. And I sincerely hope it will become possible someday for technological innovation and specialization to exist without the need for currency. - Maluvia From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Mar 8 14:22:24 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Mar 8 12:33:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <87r75c3krx.fsf@esben-stien.name> (Esben Stien's message of "Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:32:02 +0100") References: <20685586.1851141762329413.JavaMail.root@mugen> <87r75c3krx.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <87veuozqq7.fsf@esben-stien.name> Esben Stien writes: > It also works to some degree with asterisk Of course, this is only when using the built in VOIP phone functionality of asterisk. I connect all my soft phones which use jack to asterisk and it works great. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Mar 8 13:04:21 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Mar 8 13:04:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <87r75c3krx.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <20685586.1851141762329413.JavaMail.root@mugen> <87r75c3krx.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <1141841062.767.174.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 18:32 +0100, Esben Stien wrote: > "Lee A. Azzarello" writes: > > > I have tried to connect soft phones to a jack server and none > > worked. > > You can use oss2jack. It will work with iaxcomm and kphone with no > problems. Been using it for many months. It also works to some degree > with asterisk, but got some chopping sounds. I badly need a terminal > client, but I've decided to leave asterisk in favor of freeswitch. Please, please bug the authors of these apps to add support for a modern audio API. It's crazy that they all think OSS is acceptable. Is it because that's what Skype does? Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 13:12:14 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Mar 8 13:12:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Totally OT (was Rhythm Galaxy vol.1 drum/percussion sample library) In-Reply-To: <440F0E3B.5070207@woh.rr.com> References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> <440ED5DD.2050000@findus.dhs.org> <440F0E3B.5070207@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0603081012w192536a9mc2a6b77486aef405@mail.gmail.com> > Petter Sundl?f wrote: > > > Since the original posting here was about a commercial product, I > > thought it was inappropriate ('cause spam isn't allow, I can't see how > > this is any different) and wondered if he might be interested in > > reciprocating to the community in a more libre way. Why? The title of this list is 'Linux-Audio-Users'? It's not Libre-Linux-software. No where in the sign up for this list do I remember ever seeing anything that suggested that someone who built a library, tested it with Linux software, and wanted to sell it couldn't announce it here. I think the original poster didn't abuse the board. He put out one simple email abut his library. I found the email announcement intersting and useful. I encourage all library developers that might make something that works in Linux Audio to announce it here no matter what the cost. It's my opinion, and only my opinion, that it's often the 'libre' community that causes more of these email thread problems by creating an extended diatribe instead of letting it go. Next time just consider saying nothing? To celebrate the idea I'm sending this message but at the same time creating a spam filter to delete any threads with this title. ;-) Contrary to Dave's email about the original poster I am not a contributor on any open source project. I do not feel my comments matter at all. You should ot pay attention to anything I say. I strongly and respectufully suggest that you create a spam filter to delete all emails I send to this list. Cheers, Mark From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Wed Mar 8 13:21:38 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Wed Mar 8 13:21:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Totally OT (was Rhythm Galaxy vol.1 drum/percussion sample library) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0603081012w192536a9mc2a6b77486aef405@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200638102138.601544@winxp1> On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:12:14 -0800, Mark Knecht was like: > I > strongly and respectfully suggest that you create a spam filter to > delete all emails I send to this list. > > Cheers, > Mark I would be missing out on way too much info if I did that. Ruben --------------------------- Debian DAW (2.6.15-1) Ardour 0.99-3+b1 AMD Athlon XP 2000 Delta 1010 From cesare at poeticstudios.com Wed Mar 8 13:27:40 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Wed Mar 8 13:27:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <200603080919350180.00C4FE05@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060308140143.E67879E34DC@music.columbia.edu> <200603080919350180.00C4FE05@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <440F221C.9070904@poeticstudios.com> Maluvia wrote: >I think Ardour is a perfect case in point. >As I understand it, Paul has received little more than $2K in donations - >mostly from *one* individual - vs the $60K+ of his own he has put into >development. >He had to go to work part or full-time (I'm not sure which) to make up for >the lack of support in the way of donations. > > This isn't encouraging. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Mar 8 14:01:28 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Mar 8 13:32:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Totally OT (was Rhythm Galaxy vol.1 drum/percussion sample library) In-Reply-To: <440F0F39.8030504@findus.dhs.org> References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> <440ED5DD.2050000@findus.dhs.org> <440F0E3B.5070207@woh.rr.com> <440F0F39.8030504@findus.dhs.org> Message-ID: <440F2A08.7090800@woh.rr.com> Petter Sundl?f wrote: > That's somehow not very relevant. > > Dave Phillips wrote: > >> Petter Sundl?f wrote: >> >>> Since the original posting here was about a commercial product, I >>> thought it was inappropriate ('cause spam isn't allow, I can't see >>> how this is any different) and wondered if he might be interested in >>> reciprocating to the community in a more libre way. >> >> >> >> Artemiy is already a contributor to the Hydrogen project. >> >> > Sorry, I thought that contributing to Hydrogen might be construed as reciprocating to the community in a libre way. My bad. From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Mar 8 13:47:56 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Mar 8 13:50:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> <440EAADC.60906@poeticstudios.com> <440EC62A.8090705@gmail.com> <440ECC07.6040905@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: > apartment, large record collection, arse when moving etc. 500-600 > vinyl takes a lot of room! ;-) Beds are a luxury anyway :) Carlo From notmyprivateemail at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 14:00:41 2006 From: notmyprivateemail at gmail.com (Alex Polite) Date: Wed Mar 8 14:00:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Simple scripting language to use for audio processing? Message-ID: Ok, since I can't find a tool that will automatically align two audio files, I think I might write one my self. What scripting language has the best modules for audio processing? I'm have pretty good at python and halfway comfortable with ruby, perl and java. I've looked at pythons wave module put it looks a bit crude. alex -- Alex Polite http://flosspick.org - finding the right open source From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 8 14:03:07 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Wed Mar 8 14:03:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Simple scripting language to use for audio processing? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060308190307.47785.qmail@web52602.mail.yahoo.com> Have you tried ecasound and related utilities? http://eca.cx/ecasound/ --- Alex Polite wrote: > Ok, since I can't find a tool that will > automatically align two audio > files, I think I might write one my self. > > What scripting language has the best modules for > audio processing? > I'm have pretty good at python and halfway > comfortable with ruby, perl and java. > I've looked at pythons wave module put it looks a > bit crude. > > alex > > -- > Alex Polite > http://flosspick.org - finding the right open source > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Mar 8 14:22:53 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Mar 8 14:19:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <1141841062.767.174.camel@mindpipe> References: <20685586.1851141762329413.JavaMail.root@mugen> <87r75c3krx.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1141841062.767.174.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1141845773.7625.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 13:04 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 18:32 +0100, Esben Stien wrote: > > "Lee A. Azzarello" writes: > > > > > I have tried to connect soft phones to a jack server and none > > > worked. > > > > You can use oss2jack. It will work with iaxcomm and kphone with no > > problems. Been using it for many months. It also works to some degree > > with asterisk, but got some chopping sounds. I badly need a terminal > > client, but I've decided to leave asterisk in favor of freeswitch. > > Please, please bug the authors of these apps to add support for a modern > audio API. It's crazy that they all think OSS is acceptable. Is it > because that's what Skype does? more likely because OSS exists on solaris too, so they kill two platforms with one stone From hardbop200 at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 14:20:46 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Wed Mar 8 14:20:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Indigo IO problems In-Reply-To: <440F0101.60908@jeremah.co.uk> References: <440F0101.60908@jeremah.co.uk> Message-ID: On 3/8/06, Jonny Stutters wrote: > So it's definitely something to do with Linux on this laptop. > To be honest I don't have any idea where to start with solving this > problem so any help would be much appreciated. I'm not keen to go down > the new hardware route but if anyone does have reports of working > configurations with this (or a similar) laptop that'd also be good. I own the Echo Indigo output-only card, and I can confirm that this works in Linux just fine. However, it is not "out-of-the-box." You must install the ALSA firmware package for this card to work. Otherwise, you won't see anything about the card in dmesg, /var/log/whatever, etc. Back when I was trying to get it to work, I emailed the author of the driver. His first name is Giuliano (forgive me if I misspelled it). Here is a cut from the email he sent me: On 01-Dec-2005 Josh Lawrence wrote: > Well now I'm deep in the fight of trying to get it to work - hotplug > will not load the firmware. I cannot find your site anymore, so can > you give me the quick instructions on the symlink that must be created > for the firmware to load? Anything I need to do before that, like > load the module? It's on http://www.webalice.it/g_pochini/ead . You have to install the hotplug scripts (they should be installed in /etc/hotplug/ and /etc/hotplug.d/), alsa-firmware and alsa-driver. Also, there is an entry in /proc that must point to the main hotplug script. A script in /etc/rc.d should set it up at boot time. On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Josh Lawrence wrote: > Does all this happen (adding of the scripts in rc.d) during the > firmware install? No, alsa-firmware only installs the firmware in /lib/firmware . You have to get the scripts from kernel.org or download the appropriate package of you distro. Also, check what /lib/firmware is. Usually the scripts (firmware-agent IIRC) looks for firmware files in /lib/firmware , while alsa installs them in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware . Fix it with a symlink. --END CUT-- So to sum it up, get the firmware, make sure you have the hotplug scripts (which you probably already do), and make sure you make a simlink from /lib/firmware to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware. Hope this helps, Josh -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Mar 8 14:33:18 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Mar 8 14:34:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT (was Rhythm Galaxy vol.1 drum/percussion sample library) In-Reply-To: <440EAADC.60906@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> <440EAADC.60906@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: > Is it working? I was wondering about that... You see I had a look at your site a couple times, and really, your 'Still Trying To Grasp The Zen Mind' is absolutely breathtaking. I mean, I started listening, and it STARTED ME UP. I went nuts and was calm at the same time. It was similar to when I was playing with a couple of binaural recordings a while back, totally brought me into a different land... Perhaps even the Zen mind! I'm not sure anyone who's not a complete geek (like me) would click on the link though. I'm a total Uber-Geek, even though I have absolutely no idea if I'm even a good programmer (I think I take way too long), I'm totally completely in love with the geek philosophy especially as applies to Open Source. I read essays by Richard Stallman and my heart explodes with joy. I understand what 'simplicity' is and appreciate the beauty of the underlying HTML when I read a site that looks like yours. However, a non-tech-savvy person just sees a bunch of Times New Roman characters at best and is frightened he might be expected to know things he doesn't at worst. I think donation-based musicians sites should look more like CD covers. And actualy have that function. Liner notes, photographs, the musicians should be dressed like they would be in that musical wonderland people get into when they hear a record. I think 99% of the people would not hesitate to throw an Original Van Gogh straight into the trash bin if it wasn't framed and hung in Louvre. I know I would! I know nothing about art (you can't hear). I wouldn't recognize the subtle beauty of its painting... I wouldn't even know what to look for. So I have to rely on the fact that it is framed and hung in Louvre in order to recognize it as art. That's how 99% of the people who enjoy our art will perceive it. It is only proof that the record companies get away with throwing out the Shmock they do. People just don't get the depth of it, except the really rare ones who are soul-mate enough that we probably know them or even live with them. And maybe we are the only physical being in the world who 'get's' the art, and maybe not even we do. We can, however, put a nice frame around our art. If we are artists we will know if it hurts our art or not and we can easily find out which type of frame that will be perceived as 'honorable'. Personally, I find there is a great depth of that kind of art available in the commercial music field. They sure know how to frame things. I like prince :) So heck why don't I style up a little so people at least can appreciate my crazy personality as long as they won't be 'getting' my art anyway :) Point I'm making. Perhaps we need to explain to people what exactly to think as long as they're not going to take the trouble to find that out themselves. I owe you one for that one, Cesare. We need to TELL PEOPLE WHAT WE ARE AND WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO RIGHT IN OUR MUSIC. That's how 'Die Fantastischen Vier' do it, a band I greatly respect because they are commercially successful (even with the record companies), they are pioneers, and I listen to their music and my heart goes 'WOW'. As far as I'm concerned these guys have it all. (Okay one of their clips is a bit tit-oriented, Troy, but I'm talking about their Live album especially) Anyway, these guys were introducing german hip hop back in the nineties. Back then, something like that was unheard-of. German hip hop would be just like Kraut & Sosse from Downtown Manhatten. So what these guys did, in their lyrics, they actually went out and explained to the people what they were all about. 'Hip Hop' is the music, and 'Rap' is the lyrics, and this guy has a sampler, and he's Rhyming, and this guy's name is Thomas D, blah blah blah... The first two CDs were like "Hi, I'm Carlo, what's your name?" Pure genius if you ask me. They went out and, as a CD, interacted with people who didn't know what they were all about. And rather than getting irritated about that they just went out and introduced themselves. I mean when you think about it it's kind of OBVIOUS, now isn't it! So what I think we gotta be doing is making SONGS saying 'This is the WE DONT NEED NO CDS NO MORE BLUEEEEEEEES!!!' Cuz ya see them people you by CDs from be kissin AAAAASSSSSS all day long n you wanna be listenin to FREEEEE MUSIC! N if ya wanna keep us from STARRRRVING ya betta give ya ten BUCKS AT THE WEBSITE DONATION BUTTON oh yah baby. And then when Richard Stallman's essays have been song over again, and our philosophy is clear to everyone, and we all have a full belly and a warm fire, then may we get back to getting REALLY crazy (like telling people THEY can actually make it as well. They'll try to shoot us. Good luck we don't care). Yes, we have a radically new philosophy and are probably thirty years advanced on the mainstream, and it is OUR JOB to educate people about this. The songs need to be viral, self-perpetuating. Now I know some people knock self promotion, but doesn't it just make sense? I mean better than self-destructive shit that's for sure! We've got to keep in mind that most people DON'T THINK. We tell them something and they take it at face value (we do to unless we do a lot of affirmations or something... Subconsious can be tricky to handle). So we've got to thell them that a) Our music is good b) CDs our out, direct downloads are IN c) They are good people d) waddle over to the button and DONATE already Yep! That's pretty much it! Just because we're not CHARGING doesn't mean we don't need to MARKET our music (MARKETING=Telling people what to think favourable to us). We also need to make it a social standard that musicians on the Internet are to be tipped, and everything else is simply a question of horrific manners. OK, that's pretty herculian... Enough so to be fun :) I think it's simply a matter of deciding what we want to be so... (Music off the Internet is superior to Music from the record so) and REPEATING IT UNTIL IT BECOMES THE TRUTH. Repetition. Repetion. Repetion. Over, and over again. We've got to hook these people. Why? Because other people have already hooked them. They want to be hooked. We're not going to milk them, we will treat them very well. But if we don't tell them what to think, somebody else will. And they can think whatever they want except for one thing: Internet musicians are to be TIPPED and their music is to be LISTENED TO. I mean it's not like I'm not guilty of this. Up until very recently I hardly even looked for music on the interent because I thought there needed to be a record executive saying it was good be fore it WAS good. Then I decided 'Screw That' and I've been finding some GREAT music on the web. INSANELY great music. (Yeah, Cesare, you're part of that one :) Boy this is sounding awfully devious... But Richard Stallman hooked ME on his philosophy, and it has caused me a whole lot of trouble at the University when everyone was using Microshit Word, but I would NEVER EVER EVER want to trade from having heard his words and getting hooked to where I was before. I mean I hated Windows all right but I didn't really know why. He explained it to me. I think we gotta do the same. We know things. These things are good and very wise. We need to explain them in a catchy way. Any ideas, gentlemen and -women? To sum up, mine are: * VERY spiffy web sites, like animated CD covers * Marketing tactic guerilla information ambush strategies (Like the 'Creative Commons' Button) * Song content that does not fight against anything, but simply IMPLIES that the truth is that downloadable music is superior. That nobody should even bother listening to anything else because it will be biased by corporatocracy anyway (I really BELIEVE this, personally) * People will disagree with us but start to agree with us after about the third time we repeat what we say as 'Truth' e.g. FALSE: "Why are these people so ignorant? You bastards!" CORRECT: "Internet music is a superior way to listen to music. Here is why. As an internet music listener, you are part of a powerful avantgarde... blah blah." We ASSUME people will listen. In fact, we should start today. Integrating these messages in our latest songs. Telling people. Writing web sites. Hehe :) I feel REALLY good. Carlo From dmills at spamblock.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 8 14:42:27 2006 From: dmills at spamblock.demon.co.uk (Dan Mills) Date: Wed Mar 8 14:42:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <8764mo3j0k.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <14552133.1951141766723094.JavaMail.root@mugen> <158277e20603071708q4eb2456cld32304fe9eaf49fe@mail.gmail.com> <1DF0F509-F0C1-45B3-B8E3-CB0EEF2457A9@spamblock.demon.co.uk> <8764mo3j0k.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: On 8 Mar 2006, at 18:10, Esben Stien wrote: >> Perhaps a daemon that could connect multiple sip "lines" to jackd >> and provided a couple of fifos to communicate line status and to >> handle dialing? > > This is not really necessary as you really only need one bus to send > and one to receive, using ardour;) covering the mic and different > feeds with a midi controller (like feed0, feed1) if you do all > call management on the server, by sending these messages. How do you handle "Talk to caller" for say line 2, while the remote sports report is going to air fed from line one? IMHO You actually do need separate pairs of ports for each line into the "desk" to make this work in all but trivial cases.... Regards, Dan. From hardbop200 at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 14:47:15 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Wed Mar 8 14:47:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Need links for website Message-ID: Hello all, I recently obliterated my website while trying to do a Wordpress upgrade and lost all of my content. (Note to self - back up your databases!) I am trying to rebuild it, and I need your help. I try to evangelize Linux, and more specifically Ubuntu, in my little corner of the world. I know that there are a few of you that have blogs or websites specifically relating to this. (At one time, there was an Ubuntu Studio website, and another individual named Oktobyr that had a website with some Ubuntu information.) If you have any links that you believe would be helpful, please send them to me at hardbop200@gmail.com so I can rebuild my Linux audio section of the site. Thank you very much for your help. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 8 14:53:50 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Wed Mar 8 14:53:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] configuring streaming music downloads in firefox In-Reply-To: <20060210092642.4A14159F8EE@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060210092642.4A14159F8EE@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <440F364E.10703@sbcglobal.net> Is it possible to configure firefox in such a way that clicking links to .mp3 and .ogg files causes them to play (prefferably in xmms) as they are downloaded? A link to a howto would be just dandy. God Bless, Brian From steve at pro-ns.net Wed Mar 8 15:00:29 2006 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Wed Mar 8 15:00:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] USB interfaces (was Re: M-Audio Quattro, SoundBlaster Live Xruns, and interface questions) In-Reply-To: <20060304081126.GZ27812@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060304044200.GF4023@pro-ns.net> <20060304081126.GZ27812@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060308200029.GF5610@pro-ns.net> On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 09:11:26AM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Steve Wahl hat gesagt: // Steve Wahl wrote: > > > 1. M-Audio Quattro, can it be made to work? > > No. > > Of course this depends on what you consider "working". Stereo sound > should be no real problem, but everthing else ... Damn. That's the only answer I got, to that part anyway. Combined with my own experience, it seems pretty definitive. (Should the ALSA soundcard list be edited to reflect this? I chose and purchased my quattro based on entries there!) Are there any interface options that have all of these attributes: * Working! * USB connected (for my laptop) * Four or more channels in simultaneously (at/around 24 bits/48KHz) Thanks, Steve Wahl From ce at christeck.de Wed Mar 8 15:05:10 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Wed Mar 8 15:05:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] USB interfaces (was Re: M-Audio Quattro, SoundBlaster Live Xruns, and interface questions) In-Reply-To: <20060308200029.GF5610@pro-ns.net> References: <20060304044200.GF4023@pro-ns.net> <20060304081126.GZ27812@fliwatut.scifi> <20060308200029.GF5610@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <200603082105.11014.ce@christeck.de> > Are there any interface options that have all of these attributes: > > ? ?* Working! > ? ?* USB connected ?(for my laptop) > ? ?* Four or more channels in simultaneously (at/around 24 > bits/48KHz) at least I have a cheap Terratec Aureon USB which can deal with 16/48/5.1. OTOTH, when calculating the USB bandwidth vs. the needed data amount at 5.1, an USB 1.1 bus is almost completely busy with audio. There's USB 2, but the audio standard has not been expanded for USB 2 and that's why there are only a few USB 2 audio devices, and those you get speak a proprietary protocol :( . Best regards ce From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 8 15:09:35 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Wed Mar 8 15:09:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] USB interfaces (was Re: M-Audio Quattro, SoundBlaster Live Xruns, and interface questions) In-Reply-To: <20060308200029.GF5610@pro-ns.net> References: <20060304044200.GF4023@pro-ns.net> <20060304081126.GZ27812@fliwatut.scifi> <20060308200029.GF5610@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <440F39FF.5090000@sbcglobal.net> >(Should the ALSA >soundcard list be edited to reflect this? I chose and purchased my >quattro based on entries there!) > > this may be a starting place: http://alsa2.opensrc.org/Main_Page maybe a post here will help keep others from learning the hard way too. From kouhia at nic.funet.fi Wed Mar 8 15:27:59 2006 From: kouhia at nic.funet.fi (Juhana Sadeharju) Date: Wed Mar 8 15:28:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Interesting story for BCR2000 owners Message-ID: >From: timg > >But if these actions are found to be within legal limits what can be done? >I must admint that a company that does not invest in it's own R&D is one >that will fail... and lose (at least my) respect. Monopoly game --- 500 million have played, inventor became millionare. Except -- the inventor stole and patented the game from public domain. Zero R&D; even a mispelling was copied to the patented game. And the game was not sold cheap like the Behringers. (Hasbro still repeats the wrong history of the game at their webpages. Monopoly aged to 70 a few weeks ago and we all heard the wrong history. I got interested in because I wondered why I have not seen any similar games in the shops -- cheaper clone games, say. But check Atlantik for open source computer game. I'm still looking for print-your-own-Monopoly PDF files or such.) Juhana -- http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-graphics-dev for developers of open source graphics software From mista.tapas at gmx.net Wed Mar 8 15:29:10 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Wed Mar 8 15:29:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] configuring streaming music downloads in firefox In-Reply-To: <440F364E.10703@sbcglobal.net> References: <20060210092642.4A14159F8EE@music.columbia.edu> <440F364E.10703@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20060308212910.64df54ec@mango.fruits.de> On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 13:53:50 -0600 Brian Dunn wrote: > Is it possible to configure firefox in such a way that clicking links to > .mp3 and .ogg files causes them to play (prefferably in xmms) as they > are downloaded? A link to a howto would be just dandy. i think xmms can simply play url's via: xmms -Q -p so the simplest would probably be to use a script like this one: #!/bin/bash xmms -Q -p `xclip -o` and bind it to a window manager keyboard shortcut (you need xclip for this). Then you can just right click on an url to copy it and then press the hotkey. The possibilities are endless :) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From ix at replic.net Wed Mar 8 15:34:20 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Wed Mar 8 15:34:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Indigo IO problems In-Reply-To: References: <440F0101.60908@jeremah.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060308203420.GF2932@replic.net> > > So to sum it up, get the firmware, make sure you have the hotplug > scripts (which you probably already do), and make sure you make a > simlink from /lib/firmware to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware. and make sure ALSA_CARDS=indigo is defined in /etc/make.conf. that _should_ be all you have to do (besids maybe make sure hotplug is checked in kernel config) then emerge alsa-firmware alsa-driver hotplug && /etc/init.d/alsasound restart... > > Hope this helps, > > Josh > > -- > Josh Lawrence > http://www.hardbop200.com From hardbop200 at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 15:38:32 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Wed Mar 8 15:38:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Indigo IO problems In-Reply-To: <20060308203420.GF2932@replic.net> References: <440F0101.60908@jeremah.co.uk> <20060308203420.GF2932@replic.net> Message-ID: On 3/8/06, cdr wrote: > and make sure ALSA_CARDS=indigo is defined in /etc/make.conf. that _should_ be all you have to do (besids maybe make sure hotplug is checked in kernel config) then emerge alsa-firmware alsa-driver hotplug && /etc/init.d/alsasound restart... Thanks for the clarification. I should have mentioned that I do not run Gentoo, so I may not know the specifics for that distro. Sorry for not mentioning that earlier. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From ix at replic.net Wed Mar 8 15:38:38 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Wed Mar 8 15:38:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Indigo IO problems In-Reply-To: <20060308203420.GF2932@replic.net> References: <440F0101.60908@jeremah.co.uk> <20060308203420.GF2932@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060308203838.GG2932@replic.net> On Wed Mar 08, 2006 at 08:34:20PM +0000, cdr wrote: > > > > So to sum it up, get the firmware, make sure you have the hotplug > > scripts (which you probably already do), and make sure you make a > > simlink from /lib/firmware to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware. > > and make sure ALSA_CARDS=indigo except for you its 'indigoio' this ALSA_CARDS and VIDEO_CARDS thing is a big reason i switched to gentoo, after getting sick of manually setting up video and audio modules on sid (despite it dangling utils like make-kpkg out like plastic carrots that didnt make the process any easier) unfortuntely the 'echomixer' util isnt built by the alsa-tools/utils ebuilds for whatever reason, proably missing in an autoconf script somewhre. you definitely want to install that, it requires GTK1.. From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Mar 8 17:31:37 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Mar 8 15:42:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: (Dan Mills's message of "Wed, 8 Mar 2006 19:42:27 +0000") References: <14552133.1951141766723094.JavaMail.root@mugen> <158277e20603071708q4eb2456cld32304fe9eaf49fe@mail.gmail.com> <1DF0F509-F0C1-45B3-B8E3-CB0EEF2457A9@spamblock.demon.co.uk> <8764mo3j0k.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <87zmk0y3ee.fsf@esben-stien.name> Dan Mills writes: > How do you handle "Talk to caller" for say line 2, while the remote > sports report is going to air fed from line one? Well, air is just another output on ardour, but I see what you are saying. If you got some feed coming in on line 2 from VOIP while you want to talk to someone on line 1, then you really need such a daemon. You're absolutely right and I was too quick. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Mar 8 17:38:15 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Mar 8 15:48:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <1141841062.767.174.camel@mindpipe> (Lee Revell's message of "Wed, 08 Mar 2006 13:04:21 -0500") References: <20685586.1851141762329413.JavaMail.root@mugen> <87r75c3krx.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1141841062.767.174.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <87veuoy33c.fsf@esben-stien.name> Lee Revell writes: > please bug the authors I have. I've sent mail to the kphone-, ekiga- and asterisk- list. The iaxcomm client is using portaudio. The JACK issue with glitch free connection is also a hot issue for something like an inet show. Some of these clients are ALSA capable, so it should be possible to use the plug:jack plugin, but I'm having some issues with that and I have more to test before I can provide a useful report for my HDSP Multiface II and this plugin. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From dmills at spamblock.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 8 16:03:50 2006 From: dmills at spamblock.demon.co.uk (Dan Mills) Date: Wed Mar 8 16:03:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <87zmk0y3ee.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <14552133.1951141766723094.JavaMail.root@mugen> <158277e20603071708q4eb2456cld32304fe9eaf49fe@mail.gmail.com> <1DF0F509-F0C1-45B3-B8E3-CB0EEF2457A9@spamblock.demon.co.uk> <8764mo3j0k.fsf@esben-stien.name> <87zmk0y3ee.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: On 8 Mar 2006, at 22:31, Esben Stien wrote: > Dan Mills writes: > >> How do you handle "Talk to caller" for say line 2, while the remote >> sports report is going to air fed from line one? > > Well, air is just another output on ardour, but I see what you are > saying. If you got some feed coming in on line 2 from VOIP while you > want to talk to someone on line 1, then you really need such a daemon. Your using ardour as a broadcast mixer?? Shudder! Not that ardour is not a very very cool program, but it strikes me as so wrong for this application (no automated monitor ducking, no fader start, insufficient PFL routing flexibility, no talk to caller.....). IMHO There is a reason recording studio desks and radio production desks are different! Regards, Dan (Now contemplating writing software radio desk). From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Mar 8 16:05:33 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Mar 8 16:05:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <87veuoy33c.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <20685586.1851141762329413.JavaMail.root@mugen> <87r75c3krx.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1141841062.767.174.camel@mindpipe> <87veuoy33c.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <1141851933.767.217.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 23:38 +0100, Esben Stien wrote: > I have. I've sent mail to the kphone-, ekiga- and asterisk- list. The > iaxcomm client is using portaudio. > > The JACK issue with glitch free connection is also a hot issue for > something like an inet show. > > Some of these clients are ALSA capable, so it should be possible to > use the plug:jack plugin, but I'm having some issues with that and I > have more to test before I can provide a useful report for my HDSP > Multiface II and this plugin. > Yeah what would be perfect is a cross platform VOIP app written in a callback model with ALSA, JACK, OSS, CoreAudio, etc backends. It seems like most of the existing apps focus too heavily on the network and GUI aspects and just hack together the audio part as fast as possible... even the flagship VOIP app (Skype) has crappy audio support. I guess the closest thing is something with a gstreamer backend. What are the showstoppers with ekiga (formerly gnomemeeting) + JACK? Lee From carotinobg at yahoo.it Wed Mar 8 16:20:50 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Wed Mar 8 16:22:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT (was Rhythm Galaxy vol.1 drum/percussion sample library) In-Reply-To: References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <440EAADC.60906@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <200603082220.51488.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Alle 20:33, mercoled? 8 marzo 2006, Carlo Capocasa ha scritto: > To sum up, mine are: > > * VERY spiffy web sites, like animated CD covers > * Marketing tactic guerilla information ambush strategies > (Like the 'Creative Commons' Button) > * Song content that does not fight against anything, but simply IMPLIES > that the truth is that downloadable music is superior. That nobody > should even bother listening to anything else because it will be > biased by corporatocracy anyway (I really BELIEVE this, personally) > * People will disagree with us but start to agree with us after about > the third time we repeat what we say as 'Truth' > > e.g. > > FALSE: "Why are these people so ignorant? You bastards!" > CORRECT: "Internet music is a superior way to listen to music. Here is > why. As an internet music listener, you are part of a powerful > avantgarde... blah blah." We ASSUME people will listen. > > In fact, we should start today. Integrating these messages in our latest > songs. Telling people. Writing web sites. > > Hehe :) I feel REALLY good. I think the way it's to sell the dissense. This always worked, no one would recognize the implicit contradiction. There are many examples of artists crying out loud they were off the mainstream music business, reaching that mainstram thanks to theirs complaints:) Get the facts: downloadable music makes people happier! Independent studies* reveals that my sister wasn't satisfied with bought cds, but now she's so happy with downloaded music! Oh my ogg!:) * Conflicting Bros. Ltd. Byez! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Mar 8 16:22:27 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Mar 8 16:24:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT (was Rhythm Galaxy vol.1 drum/percussion sample library) In-Reply-To: <440ED5DD.2050000@findus.dhs.org> References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> <440ED5DD.2050000@findus.dhs.org> Message-ID: > The issue here is really if this mailing list is the appropriate place > to advertise commercial and non-free products. My answer to that one: "Nope." Because: * This list is mainly populated by experts. * Advertising is only effective with non-experts * Advertising tends to disproportionately annoy experts -> Lose-Lose situation. Alternatives: Google SEO -> Own mailing list/fan club Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Mar 8 16:28:41 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Mar 8 16:30:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT (was Rhythm Galaxy vol.1 drum/percussion sample library) In-Reply-To: <200603082220.51488.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <440EAADC.60906@poeticstudios.com> <200603082220.51488.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: > Get the facts: downloadable music makes people happier! Independent studies* > reveals that my sister wasn't satisfied with bought cds, but now she's so > happy with downloaded music! Oh my ogg!:) Music in my ears bro, music in my ears :) Carlo PS: Always check for the VORBIS seal of quality. From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Mar 8 18:24:27 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Mar 8 16:35:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <1141851933.767.217.camel@mindpipe> (Lee Revell's message of "Wed, 08 Mar 2006 16:05:33 -0500") References: <20685586.1851141762329413.JavaMail.root@mugen> <87r75c3krx.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1141841062.767.174.camel@mindpipe> <87veuoy33c.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1141851933.767.217.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <87r75cwmdw.fsf@esben-stien.name> Lee Revell writes: > what would be perfect is a cross platform VOIP app written in a > callback model with ALSA, JACK, OSS, CoreAudio, etc backends. Isn't PortAudio supposed to be preferred option?. Maybe we need to start a thread on this?. It doesn't help much if it don't support JACK soon, though;). I don't even know if PortAudio can output through gstreamer and can gstreamer even be RT safe even though it got a JACK output plugin?. > What are the showstoppers with ekiga (formerly gnomemeeting) + JACK? They don't seem to care at the moment judging from the reply I got: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnomemeeting-list/2005-July/msg00137.html -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From dana at ubuntustudio.com Wed Mar 8 17:10:33 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Wed Mar 8 17:10:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A question of kernels Message-ID: <1b6a07c30603081410t3b7f5232uad5b4522b757cf6e@mail.gmail.com> I have been reading about the -ck patchset (http://ck.kolivas.org/faqs/audio_hints, http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/) and was wondering if it is or is not good for audio? The reason I am asking is that Ubuntu's kernel is patched and a lot of users rely on those patches, and although I have received a -rt patch that applies to the Ubuntu kernel, it does give me many issues (interestingly, only with RT apps like JACK and the like). The Ubuntu kernel can be patched with -ck rather easily, and most people that have tried it seem to say they have been results than using the standard Ubuntu kernel (me excluded). I saw that it uses CFQ as the default scheduler, but that can be changed back to anticipatory easily enough. I understand that Ingo's -rt patches are best, but is the -ck patchset better than a vanilla kernel, for audio, as a medium? Why or why not? Also, why does Studio To Go! use it if it is bad? Thanks for any insight in advance. Dana From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Mar 8 19:01:41 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Mar 8 17:12:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: GNU Audio Community Conference Room In-Reply-To: <934966.2481141835906034.JavaMail.root@mugen> (Lee A. Azzarello's message of "Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:38:26 -0500 (EST)") References: <934966.2481141835906034.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <87k6b4wknt.fsf@esben-stien.name> "Lee A. Azzarello" writes: > What softphone did you successfully use it with? I think I've answered this question 3 times now;). I'm using iaxcomm every day with oss2jack and the longest call I had was 7 hours, but kphone works ok too. I register my phones with asterisk. I also used asterisk CLI VOIP client before with some crackles, which were unacceptable. Asterisk has so many flaws, the code is too messy and monolithic, they have a dual license scheme which you can't use third party existing code and the crew is hard to work with, so I'm running now to freeswitch, which seems like a very friendly crowd, though the code is MPL. I'm aiming now to use the terminal client in the freeswitch project which Brian over at freeswitch told me about in a conference. In response to my request, he's upgrading it to use portaudio-19, even though it won't immediately help, but then I only have to worry about JACK support in portaudio for the immediate future. I don't want to use a frigging GUI, but I'm forced to now, because there is no working alternative. A daemon one could send OSC messages to would be perfect;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Wed Mar 8 17:25:32 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Wed Mar 8 17:28:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Totally OT (was Rhythm Galaxy vol.1 drum/percussion sample library) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0603081012w192536a9mc2a6b77486aef405@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060306192158.D06439940D9@music.columbia.edu> <200603071902290810.01856D40@mail.imbris.net> <440ED5DD.2050000@findus.dhs.org> <440F0E3B.5070207@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0603081012w192536a9mc2a6b77486aef405@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141856732.18941.2.camel@eviltwin> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 10:12 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Petter Sundl?f wrote: > > > > > Since the original posting here was about a commercial product, I > > > thought it was inappropriate ('cause spam isn't allow, I can't see how > > > this is any different) and wondered if he might be interested in > > > reciprocating to the community in a more libre way. > > Why? The title of this list is 'Linux-Audio-Users'? It's not > Libre-Linux-software. No where in the sign up for this list do I > remember ever seeing anything that suggested that someone who built a > library, tested it with Linux software, and wanted to sell it couldn't > announce it here. I think the original poster didn't abuse the board. > He put out one simple email abut his library. I found the email > announcement intersting and useful. I encourage all library developers > that might make something that works in Linux Audio to announce it > here no matter what the cost. > > It's my opinion, and only my opinion, that it's often the 'libre' > community that causes more of these email thread problems by creating > an extended diatribe instead of letting it go. Next time just consider > saying nothing? To celebrate the idea I'm sending this message but at > the same time creating a spam filter to delete any threads with this > title. ;-) > > Contrary to Dave's email about the original poster I am not a > contributor on any open source project. I do not feel my comments > matter at all. You should ot pay attention to anything I say. I > strongly and respectufully suggest that you create a spam filter to > delete all emails I send to this list. > Even though you're not listening Mark, I beg to differ. You have contributed quite a bit to a number of open source projects. Your contribution has been audio knowledge. You also have been very helpful to quite a few people on this and other lists (myself included). Sorry for going OTOT ;-) -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From steve at hassard.net Wed Mar 8 17:59:53 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Wed Mar 8 18:00:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A question of kernels In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30603081410t3b7f5232uad5b4522b757cf6e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6a07c30603081410t3b7f5232uad5b4522b757cf6e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <440F61E9.4090803@hassard.net> Dana Olson wrote: > I have been reading about the -ck patchset > (http://ck.kolivas.org/faqs/audio_hints, > http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/) and was wondering if > it is or is not good for audio? Quite good in fact. Although they tend to be a little more experimental than the basic kernel.org linux kernel. I know that with some of the more recent tweaks that some users are getting near RT performance with the required RT patches. Note also that CFQ has had a lot of fixing and really has fairly good performance. You should probably give it a kick if you haven't recently, it might give you a nice performance boost. later, Steve From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Wed Mar 8 17:55:58 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Wed Mar 8 18:10:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: DVD-Audio In-Reply-To: References: <200603021518020520.024DE64E@mail.imbris.net> <20060303182036.A61784068@joseph.doink.com> <20060307204116.GC3360@jdboyd.zill.net> Message-ID: <20060308225558.GE6208@jdboyd.zill.net> On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 04:39:49PM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > How about just getting a vinyl cutter instead? > http://www.vestax.co.uk/content.asp?ContentID=16 That would be cool. I might have to learn to DJ then though. However, for work, I deal strictly with digital signals, so it wouldn't be so much help there. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From terakuma at imbris.net Wed Mar 8 18:48:49 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Wed Mar 8 18:49:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603081548490660.02296829@mail.imbris.net> >We can, however, put a nice frame around our art. If we are artists we >will know if it hurts our art or not and we can easily find out which >type of frame that will be perceived as 'honorable'. Personally, I find >there is a great depth of that kind of art available in the commercial >music field. They sure know how to frame things. Absolutely! Images sell! This is *so* important in modern culture, where even our brocolli has to be dyed a perfect green and packaged up in PET plastic so that it 'looks really good'. People are buying images not just the product. They believe their purchases define them as an individual, and want to put their money into images that they feel they can relate to or are suggestive of how they would *like* to see themselves. Visual imagery can convey so much of where the music is coming from, as well as what the people making it are about. To this end, I have been carefully studying web sites to get good ideas on how to carry this out. I have a bookmark folder of what I call 'prototype' web sites - those that have very high visual impact (in a classy, artistic way), and seem to be very effective in drawing you into their site, stimulating your curiousity about the content and the people behind it, and at the same time conveying to you a sense of the *value* of what they have to offer. It is quite an art, and clearly takes a lot of work, but I think it really pays off. I have definitely noticed, as Carlo has mentioned, that images - especially high resolution *photographs* have the highest impact. The background and layout can be very stark and simple, as long as there are numerous interesting photographs to catch the eye and draw you in. ("A picture is worth a thousand words", etc.) >Point I'm making. Perhaps we need to explain to people what exactly to >think as long as they're not going to take the trouble to find that out >themselves. >The first two CDs were like "Hi, I'm Carlo, what's your name?" > >Pure genius if you ask me. They went out and, as a CD, interacted with >people who didn't know what they were all about. And rather than getting >irritated about that they just went out and introduced themselves. > >I mean when you think about it it's kind of OBVIOUS, now isn't it! I agree wholeheartedly with this as well - that's another thing I've been noticing about popular and succesful web sites. They give you a glimpse of the people behind the scenes - let you know who they are, what they think and are trying to accomplish. This humanizes the whole (hopefully very classy) presentation, reminding you that there are real people behind it all - (and they could really use your support!) People seem to really love this and respond to it. We are so disconnected in this modern industrial world - this creates a means of reconnecting on a personal level. >And then when Richard Stallman's essays have been song over again, and >our philosophy is clear to everyone, and we all have a full belly and a >warm fire, then may we get back to getting REALLY crazy (like telling >people THEY can actually make it as well. That is what is so great about it - lighting that fire in others and watching the fires spread. This is how the world changes. >Yep! That's pretty much it! Just because we're not CHARGING doesn't mean >we don't need to MARKET our music (MARKETING=Telling people what to >think favourable to us). We also need to make it a social standard that >musicians on the Internet are to be tipped, and everything else is >simply a question of horrific manners. > >Repetition. Repetion. Repetion. Over, and >over again. We've got to hook these people. Why? Because other people >have already hooked them. They want to be hooked. We're not going to >milk them, we will treat them very well. But if we don't tell them what >to think, somebody else will. And they can think whatever they want >except for one thing: Internet musicians are to be TIPPED and their >music is to be LISTENED TO. > . . . >I think we gotta do the same. We know things. These things are good and >very wise. We need to explain them in a catchy way. :) >* VERY spiffy web sites, like animated CD covers >* Marketing tactic guerilla information ambush strategies > (Like the 'Creative Commons' Button) >* Song content that does not fight against anything, but simply IMPLIES > that the truth is that downloadable music is superior. That nobody > should even bother listening to anything else because it will be > biased by corporatocracy anyway (I really BELIEVE this, personally) >* People will disagree with us but start to agree with us after about > the third time we repeat what we say as 'Truth' Very interesting ideas. I don't agree with the 'downloadable music is superior' part - but it is certainly not 'inferior'. It has its own place, and deserves compensation (i.e. donations), just as much as any other. >Get the facts: downloadable music makes people happier! Independent >studies* >reveals that my sister wasn't satisfied with bought cds, but now she's so >happy with downloaded music! Oh my ogg!:) :D - Maluvia From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Mar 8 19:24:59 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Mar 8 19:25:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <200603081548490660.02296829@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> <200603081548490660.02296829@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <1141863899.767.271.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 15:48 -0800, Maluvia wrote: > I have definitely noticed, as Carlo has mentioned, that images - > especially > high resolution *photographs* have the highest impact. > The background and layout can be very stark and simple, as long as > there > are numerous interesting photographs to catch the eye and draw you in. > ("A > picture is worth a thousand words", etc.) Speaking of, I've always thought these pics would be great album cover material for a DJ type artist: http://www.members.dca.net/rlrevell/amsterdam%20april%202004/DCIM/100NIKON/DSCN0645.JPG http://www.members.dca.net/rlrevell/amsterdam%20april%202004/DCIM/100NIKON/DSCN0643.JPG Lee From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Wed Mar 8 23:18:09 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Wed Mar 8 23:18:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian and friends In-Reply-To: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> References: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <1141877889.2614.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-06-03 at 22:31 -0500, Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > Over the last few days I've been having quite a few problems with Debian stable and jack applications. I don't want to run sid or etch because I like to work with stable libraries and a base system. I'm comfortable doing backports and building packages myself. But lately I have been building so many packages myself I'm begining to feel like I'm making a little mini distro in my local apt repository. This got me thinking about potential alternatives to running sarge. So If you'll humor me for a minute, I'd like to take a little poll. This only concerns users/developers of real Debian and variants that pull from the official archives. Run testing, it's plenty stable for any non-mission-critical work. "Stable" is more like "old" ;) -DR- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Mar 9 00:13:31 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Mar 9 00:13:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp pcmcia issues, again... In-Reply-To: <1141786246.7625.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <443B6F73@zathras> <5969dc560603071827y4f595d50m28b85020c1b768b5@mail.gmail.com> <1141785329.7625.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5969dc560603071841k21ea16d5w64065e76c571c7d9@mail.gmail.com> <1141785878.767.142.camel@mindpipe> <1141786246.7625.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1141881212.13319.11.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 21:50 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 21:44 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 13:41 +1100, we are wrote: > > > is there someone who could show me away to get these hexdumps/WPCREDIT > > > output looking (and/or) functioning the same? or is this not the > > > problem.... > > > > > > > This is almost certainly not the problem. > > actually lee, it stands a pretty reasonable chance of being the problem. > it bit ico and me quite hard, although to be fair, it appeared to be > fixed (at least for my cardbus bridge) in the mid-stream 2.6 kernel > series. > > however, i think dwayne holsbeck raises some other good issues too. > Can you guys look at this bug: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5736 Could it be the same issue? Maybe you could try to narrow it down, the bug report mentions a single commit that they think could be the cause. Lee From espame at comcast.net Thu Mar 9 00:23:28 2006 From: espame at comcast.net (E) Date: Thu Mar 9 00:21:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: <1141881212.13319.11.camel@mindpipe> References: <443B6F73@zathras> <1141786246.7625.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1141881212.13319.11.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200603082123.28750.espame@comcast.net> I am having hardware problems and rather than swap pieces to find the bad hardware, I was thinking of an upgrade. I have a delta 1010 that I want to keep and the hard drive is fine. Does anyone have any recommendations of a motherboard / processor combination that they like? I am looking for a audio / video editing friendly combination in linux. Thanks, E From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Thu Mar 9 01:28:49 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Thu Mar 9 01:28:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian and friends In-Reply-To: <20060307170441.1a581939@mango.fruits.de> Message-ID: <200638222849.814086@winxp1> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:04:41 +0100, Florian Schmidt was like: >> > I run debian unstable (dunno what it's release name is). If I understand Debian correctly, unstable is always "sid". When the build becomes more stable it moves to testing and gets a "Toy Story" name - the current testing is "etch". Ruben --------------------------- Debian DAW (2.6.15-1) Ardour 0.99-3+b1 AMD Athlon XP 2000 Delta 1010 From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 01:52:48 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Mar 9 01:52:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: <200603082123.28750.espame@comcast.net> References: <443B6F73@zathras> <1141786246.7625.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1141881212.13319.11.camel@mindpipe> <200603082123.28750.espame@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 3/9/06, E wrote: > I am having hardware problems and rather than swap pieces to find the bad > hardware, I was thinking of an upgrade. I have a delta 1010 that I want to > keep and the hard drive is fine. Does anyone have any recommendations of a > motherboard / processor combination that they like? I am looking for a > audio / video editing friendly combination in linux. > > Thanks, > E > amd64 seems like a good chip, but avoid ATI motherboard chipsets. Evil. EVIL. bad. bad. Loki From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Thu Mar 9 01:57:26 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Thu Mar 9 01:57:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian and friends In-Reply-To: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <200638225726.769793@winxp1> On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 22:31:48 -0500 (EST), Lee A. Azzarello was like: > > 1) What Debian communities for audio software packaging are you a > part of? Does this list count? > 2) How do you install new releases to your system? Manually with apt-get (or sometimes synaptic). I have never felt comfortable with "apt-get-upgrade". > 3) How often do you build your own kernel for audio systems? I never have for audio work (yet). > 4) If you're not running real Debian, what made you change? I ran Demudi as my first audio system. It worked well (pretty much everything worked right off the bat) but it didn't perform as well as WinXp/Sonar on the same hardware. I felt I could get better performance with a leaner system so I built a Debian system from scratch (using netinstall and manually selecting/installing programs) which gets much better latency numbers than Demudi. I could never get Ubuntu to work with my Delta 1010 cards. I understand that it does work, but I could not make it happen. > 5) If you are running real Debian, have you upgraded to etch or sid? I use etch - I tried sid but there were too many dependency/broken app problems with the software I wanted to use. In all the years I have used Debian (since 2.2 - potato?) I have rarely used stable. Ruben --------------------------- Debian Etch 2.6.15-1 Ardour 0.99-3+b1 AMD Athlon XP 2000 Delta 1010 From yves_p at nnx.com Thu Mar 9 02:03:28 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Thu Mar 9 02:03:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <443B6F73@zathras> <1141786246.7625.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1141881212.13319.11.camel@mindpipe> <200603082123.28750.espame@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20060309070328.GB3772@localhost> Le 09 Mar ? 17:52, Loki Davison ecrivait: > > Does anyone have any recommendations of a > > motherboard / processor combination that they like? > amd64 seems like a good chip, In true 64 bits mode or running a 32 bits OS ? Y. From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 02:52:58 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Mar 9 02:53:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: <20060309070328.GB3772@localhost> References: <443B6F73@zathras> <1141786246.7625.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1141881212.13319.11.camel@mindpipe> <200603082123.28750.espame@comcast.net> <20060309070328.GB3772@localhost> Message-ID: On 3/9/06, Yves Potin wrote: > Le 09 Mar ? 17:52, Loki Davison ecrivait: > > > > Does anyone have any recommendations of a > > > motherboard / processor combination that they like? > > > > amd64 seems like a good chip, > > > In true 64 bits mode or running a 32 bits OS ? > > Y. > I'm running in 64 bit mode. I'm not sure it's a good idea though. If you have huge amount of ram it's okay. Otherwise i think 32 might be better. I haven't compared both though. ATI chipsets are crap in any mode. ;-) Loki From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Thu Mar 9 02:53:50 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Thu Mar 9 02:53:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa with Delta1010: something missing? In-Reply-To: <20060304024929.A918D4068@joseph.doink.com> Message-ID: <200638235350.547278@winxp1> Sorry for the delayed response: On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:49:27 -0800, Kevin Cosgrove was like: > > On 3 March 2006 at 11:27, Ruben Lopez > wrote: > >> After googling and reading for several hours last nite, I was >> still unable to find a solution to this, so I decided to give up >> and just ask. I am trying to get Ardour, Jack and my Delta 1010 >> working on Ubuntu Dapper Flight 4, but I wonder if I am missing >> something from alsa. There is also an onboard C-Media sound chip. >> I can get sound from the C-Media chip, but the only time I hear a >> sound from the Delta card is when the Ubuntu login screen >> appears, and only after a reboot. XMMS will play thru the C-Media, >> > > What does your /proc/asound/cards contain? It shows both of my Delta 1010s and the on-board C-Media card. One of the Delta cards and the C-Media card are sharing IRQ 5, and the C-Media card is the default sound card. I don't understand this, because I have disabled the C-Media card in the BIOS. >> but when I try to change to the Delta card, I get the "couldn't >> open audio" error message. The snd_ice1712 module is loaded. I >> tried disabling the C-Media chip in the BIOS, but Ubuntu still >> recognizes and uses it. > > What are you doing to "try to change to the Delta card"? xmms -> Options -> Preferences -> Audio I/O Plugins/Output Plugin/Configure >> Here is what happens when I >> try to run alsamixer or alsa.conf as root: >> > What does your alsa.conf contain? I'll send you my 619 line file > off-list. I hope that's OK with you and the list. The above line > saying, "Unable to find definition 'defaults.ctl.card'" makes me > suspect that the cards were never configured for some reason. > Strangely, I never had to do that step. My Delta-1010 was simply > discovered and configured by my Mandrake 10.1 system. My alsa.conf > file contains one line reading like this: "defaults.ctl.card 0". I got yours - thanks. Mine looked the same, but I could not resolve the issues I had on Ubuntu, so I switched to a bare-bones Debian install, only adding packages I needed from etch. Along the way I discovered part of the solution - I modified /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, adding "options snd-cmipci index=2" to the end of the file. This prevents the C-Media card from being the default sound card. That, and running "modprobe snd-seq" pretty much solved my problems, and I am even getting lower latency numbers than with Demudi. Thanks for your help. > Keep at it. You'll be glad you did. Ardour with a Delta 1010 is > wonderful. I know - I have been using two on my Windows mobile DAW for almost 2 years - I'm just trying to transition them over to Linux. Ruben --------------------------- Debian Etch 2.6.15-1 Ardour 0.99-3+b1 AMD Athlon XP 2000 Delta 1010 From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Thu Mar 9 03:24:39 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Thu Mar 9 03:24:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] missing MIDI port In-Reply-To: <1139895782.11659.48.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20063902439.315938@winxp1> Sorry for the delayed response. On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:43:01 -0500, Lee Revell was like: > On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 21:30 -0800, Ruben Lopez wrote: > >> I have an onboard sound card with a game port. JACK identifies >> the card as a "C-Media PCI" card. I want to use the game port for >> my MIDI keyboard, but I'm not sure if JACK is seeing it. I have 2 >> Delta 1010 cards installed, and JACK shows their MIDI ports, but >> the only other MIDI port that shows in JACK is called "Midi >> Through", which doesn't appear to be from the onboard C-Media >> card, and I get no MIDI signal in Qsynth when I connect it. The >> card is enabled in the BIOS. Does anyone know how do I get this >> working? >> > modprobe snd-mpu401 I believe that the correct module for this C-Media card "snd-cmipci" which is loaded. However, midi still will not work thru the game port, and there is no midi port for this card that shows up in JACK. I've pretty much given up on getting this to work. Ruben --------------------------- Debian Etch 2.6.15-1 Ardour 0.99-3+b1 AMD Athlon XP 2000 Delta 1010 From clemens at ladisch.de Thu Mar 9 03:48:24 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu Mar 9 03:48:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] missing MIDI port In-Reply-To: <20063902439.315938@winxp1> References: <1139895782.11659.48.camel@mindpipe> <20063902439.315938@winxp1> Message-ID: <20060309084824.GD1314@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Ruben Lopez wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:43:01 -0500, Lee Revell was like: > > On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 21:30 -0800, Ruben Lopez wrote: > >> I have an onboard sound card with a game port. JACK identifies > >> the card as a "C-Media PCI" card. I want to use the game port for > >> my MIDI keyboard, but I'm not sure if JACK is seeing it. > > > > modprobe snd-mpu401 This would only work if the gameport is connected to the onboard Super-I/O chip and not the C-Media chip. > I believe that the correct module for this C-Media card "snd-cmipci" > which is loaded. However, midi still will not work thru the game port, > and there is no midi port for this card that shows up in JACK. Use the mpu_port=0x330 parameter for this module. HTH Clemens From res0u2uc at verizon.net Thu Mar 9 03:55:33 2006 From: res0u2uc at verizon.net (res0u2uc@verizon.net) Date: Thu Mar 9 03:53:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian and friends Message-ID: <20060309085533.GA17469@sprite> On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 11:55:23PM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 08:10 -0700, Hans Fugal wrote: > > > I find dealing with stock kernels to be a waste of time. It takes me > > > five minutes to answer the make oldconfig questions. > > > > > > > Of course it takes forever if you read and try to understand every > > question. Just hit "enter" a bunch of times. > > But isn't that, what distribution maintainers normally do for me? > > ;) The other polar extreme is to turn off all the stuff you *think* you don't need, compile the kernel, then wonder why it doesn't boot; which of the hundred options you touched made the difference. Fortunately the help is very helpful, and you can opt for making just the module if you are uncertain.... In my latest effort, with 2.6.15.6, I did manage to get rid of a lot of options. I think especially getting rid of the legacy ISA, EISA, etc. stuff has made the kernel boot much faster. And replacing hotplug with udev has also vastly sped up the init process. > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ -- Joel Roth From fbar at footils.org Thu Mar 9 04:06:25 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Mar 9 04:06:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <200603081548490660.02296829@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> <200603081548490660.02296829@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Maluvia hat gesagt: // Maluvia wrote: > >We can, however, put a nice frame around our art. If we are artists we > >will know if it hurts our art or not and we can easily find out which > >type of frame that will be perceived as 'honorable'. Personally, I find > >there is a great depth of that kind of art available in the commercial > >music field. They sure know how to frame things. > > Absolutely! Images sell! I can only recommend to get a real designer or artist to do covers, websites etc. Don't let a pure PHP-coder near the design of your website and don't let a pure musician do the print cover of a CD. There are people who studied long how to do this much better. Never believe, that just because you know beauty if you see it you would be able to create a good design yourself. It takes much more than that, just as making music takes much more than being able to recognize a melody. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From bengan at sunet.se Thu Mar 9 04:13:43 2006 From: bengan at sunet.se (Bengt =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6rd=E9n?=) Date: Thu Mar 9 04:14:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> <200603081548490660.02296829@mail.imbris.net> <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <200603091013.44252.bengan@sunet.se> torsdagen den 9 mars 2006 10.06 skrev Frank Barknecht: > Hallo, > > Maluvia hat gesagt: // Maluvia wrote: > > >We can, however, put a nice frame around our art. If we are artists we > > >will know if it hurts our art or not and we can easily find out which > > >type of frame that will be perceived as 'honorable'. Personally, I find > > >there is a great depth of that kind of art available in the commercial > > >music field. They sure know how to frame things. > > > > Absolutely! Images sell! > > I can only recommend to get a real designer or artist to do covers, > websites etc. Don't let a pure PHP-coder near the design of your > website and don't let a pure musician do the print cover of a CD. Ah. Would say that it has to do with the intended audience. Look at Exploited and such. Audience don't give a crap about how they look. Just how they sound ((and that could also be debated) :-). regards, -- /bengan From jstutters at jeremah.co.uk Thu Mar 9 04:22:35 2006 From: jstutters at jeremah.co.uk (Jonny Stutters) Date: Thu Mar 9 04:23:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Indigo IO problems In-Reply-To: <20060308203420.GF2932@replic.net> References: <440F0101.60908@jeremah.co.uk> <20060308203420.GF2932@replic.net> Message-ID: <440FF3DB.3090107@jeremah.co.uk> cdr wrote: >> So to sum it up, get the firmware, make sure you have the hotplug >> scripts (which you probably already do), and make sure you make a >> simlink from /lib/firmware to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware. > > and make sure ALSA_CARDS=indigo is defined in /etc/make.conf. that > _should_ be all you have to do (besids maybe make sure hotplug is > checked in kernel config) then emerge alsa-firmware alsa-driver > hotplug && /etc/init.d/alsasound restart... Sadly I've done all that and I still get nothing. Hotplug's loading the firmware for other stuff so that seems to be working. Everything seems to be completely blind to the indigo. The problem seems to be quite low level - I don't get any response in dmesg when the card is inserted apart from an acknowledgment from pccard. On the working laptop I get messages from the yenta driver and then some ACPI stuff. I'm going to try messing with the kernel options to see if I that makes any difference. Any help with this will be welcome. Jonny www.jeremah.co.uk From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Mar 9 04:24:15 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Mar 9 04:24:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> <200603081548490660.02296829@mail.imbris.net> <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: > I can only recommend to get a real designer or artist to do covers, > websites etc. Don't let a pure PHP-coder near the design of your > website and don't let a pure musician do the print cover of a CD. Being both a musician AND a PHP-coder, I couldn't agree more! Don't let a jackhammer operator be your dentist. Don't let your grocer sell your family jewels. Don't let your kid drive. So I guess we're going to need to convince someone we're going to be getting a LOT of donations! What'cha think of this site btw? http://lefunkboat.com. I'll tell ya what it is in the next post :) Carlo From bengan at sunet.se Thu Mar 9 04:29:31 2006 From: bengan at sunet.se (Bengt =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6rd=E9n?=) Date: Thu Mar 9 04:29:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <200603091029.32246.bengan@sunet.se> torsdagen den 9 mars 2006 10.24 skrev Carlo Capocasa: > > I can only recommend to get a real designer or artist to do covers, > > websites etc. Don't let a pure PHP-coder near the design of your > > website and don't let a pure musician do the print cover of a CD. > > Being both a musician AND a PHP-coder, I couldn't agree more! > > Don't let a jackhammer operator be your dentist. > > Don't let your grocer sell your family jewels. > > Don't let your kid drive. And still. It is whose who dare cross borders that do invent things :-) > So I guess we're going to need to convince someone we're going to be > getting a LOT of donations! Nononono. It spells tipping. :-) > What'cha think of this site btw? http://lefunkboat.com. I'll tell ya > what it is in the next post :) Wow. I like bells and whistles. Makes me smile and wanna dance (me doing the Travolta thing). regards, -- /bengan From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Mar 9 04:37:23 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Mar 9 04:37:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <200603091013.44252.bengan@sunet.se> References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> <200603081548490660.02296829@mail.imbris.net> <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> <200603091013.44252.bengan@sunet.se> Message-ID: <440FF753.6000907@poeticstudios.com> Bengt G?rd?n wrote: >torsdagen den 9 mars 2006 10.06 skrev Frank Barknecht: > > >>Hallo, >> >>Maluvia hat gesagt: // Maluvia wrote: >> >> >>>>We can, however, put a nice frame around our art. If we are artists we >>>>will know if it hurts our art or not and we can easily find out which >>>>type of frame that will be perceived as 'honorable'. Personally, I find >>>>there is a great depth of that kind of art available in the commercial >>>>music field. They sure know how to frame things. >>>> >>>> >>>Absolutely! Images sell! >>> >>> >>I can only recommend to get a real designer or artist to do covers, >>websites etc. Don't let a pure PHP-coder near the design of your >>website and don't let a pure musician do the print cover of a CD. >> >> > >Ah. Would say that it has to do with the intended audience. Look at Exploited >and such. Audience don't give a crap about how they look. Just how they sound >((and that could also be debated) :-). > >regards, > > > > And anyway, Maluvia, Carlo and Frank, I disagree on the importance of graphics and imagery. You surely need it to sell something, but I don't want to sell myself or anything else. My message is just: if you appreciate what I do, you can support me. Period. Recently I've redesigned my website from scratch, and I decided to make it as simple as possible. I want to concentrate on things more important to me, like music. You can't believe how much this choice has freed my mind. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Mar 9 04:42:16 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Mar 9 04:44:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Marketing Free Music Message-ID: Yep, you heard me right. We need to MARKET our free music. Just because it's free doesn't mean we don't have to work to make it acceptable to the general public. And, we've got to convince people to press those donation buttons once (preferably twice) a day. Right now, as Cesare pointed out in a previous post, CDs are looked at to have enough added value to pay 20 bucks to get a booklet and liner notes. Clearly, it's not the booklet and the liner notes. It's a ritual. a 'CD' is kind of like a diploma... We live in a culture where people just don't believe in themselves anymore. They need proof that an external authority has approved this whatchmahallit and hence it is 'good' (ie they may judge it 'good' and trust a lot of people will agree) College degrees. Course diplomas. Organic food. Plastic toy safety. Certificates, certificates, certificates, everywhere you look. It appears people somehow have this mysterious 'them' in their heads and believe they must appease them. As soon as you act like an authority you become a part of the mysterious 'them' and hence have credibility. Sad, but true. Of course there's a bunch of people out there with a mission to change that... There's Serge Kahili King (http://www.huna.org) and Neale Donald Walsch (http://www.cwg.com) to name two. They're all about 'What do YOU think? It's about you! Start thinking!' (actually speaking of thinking there's also Bob Proctor (http://www.bobproctor.com) but watch out the guys a REALLY GOOD salesperson. So these guys are all working to create a free society and that's what we should do to... A free society is one where people actually work to find out what suits them, what they want in life, their personal taste, etc. In other words, freedom of mental SERFDOM. But I do find it helpful to work with what people believe NOW in order to lead their minds somewhere. So we should create just that... logos, logos, logos. Brands. Marketing. We find our short, catchy message and then repeat it til the sun goes down. And up. And down. And up. And down. "Downloadable music is superior to store-bought CDs" "The OGG Vorbis file format is a sign of quality." "Music that costs something is worthless." "You are under a moral obligation to donate when you download music for free and listen to it regularly." OGG Vorbis needs a logo. "VORBIS Seal of quality." Kind of like 'Intel Inside'. People don't exactly know what this 'Intel' is that is inside but simply assume they need it. People don't know exactly what this 'VORBIS' is but assume it stands for freedom, love, good feelings... I believe the best 'brand' and 'credible authority figure' we can create is simply 'Free Music'. You get some free music and you know what to expect, and you know what is expected from you. Like in a well-known kingdom in the middle ages (some things never change). So we have just created a music label that is truly free, that anyone can participate in... That's pretty Sweet :) Now we're REALLY replacing the middleman, not only in terms of distribution but in terms of authority! Anyone wanna gimme a hand? What do YOU think of this long-ass post? :) ;) Carlo From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Mar 9 04:56:48 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Mar 9 04:56:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> <200603081548490660.02296829@mail.imbris.net> <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <440FFBE0.3070903@poeticstudios.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: >Hallo, >Maluvia hat gesagt: // Maluvia wrote: > > > >>>We can, however, put a nice frame around our art. If we are artists we >>>will know if it hurts our art or not and we can easily find out which >>>type of frame that will be perceived as 'honorable'. Personally, I find >>>there is a great depth of that kind of art available in the commercial >>>music field. They sure know how to frame things. >>> >>> >>Absolutely! Images sell! >> >> > >I can only recommend to get a real designer or artist to do covers, >websites etc. Don't let a pure PHP-coder near the design of your >website and don't let a pure musician do the print cover of a CD. > >There are people who studied long how to do this much better. Never >believe, that just because you know beauty if you see it you would be >able to create a good design yourself. It takes much more than that, >just as making music takes much more than being able to recognize a >melody. > >Ciao > > Frank, I totally disagree with you on this!!!!! :-) I can't believe you wrote this words. :-) Seriously, if you're right, then your music (like mine) should stink since you're also a coder and you can't do both things as good as somebody who is just a musician or a developer. My friends you're talking about marketing here. And marketing is crucial in our society to sell products. Art should not be a product. How can I believe your music is sincere if you communicate with a website full of marketing tricks? BTW, I've made my own album covers. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From fbar at footils.org Thu Mar 9 04:58:10 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Mar 9 04:57:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <440FF753.6000907@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> <200603081548490660.02296829@mail.imbris.net> <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> <200603091013.44252.bengan@sunet.se> <440FF753.6000907@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <20060309095810.GD24718@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Cesare Marilungo hat gesagt: // Cesare Marilungo wrote: > And anyway, Maluvia, Carlo and Frank, I disagree on the importance of > graphics and imagery. You surely need it to sell something, but I don't > want to sell myself or anything else. My message is just: if you > appreciate what I do, you can support me. Period. > > Recently I've redesigned my website from scratch, and I decided to make > it as simple as possible. I want to concentrate on things more important > to me, like music. You can't believe how much this choice has freed my mind. I agree that the importance of gfx depends on context. I did the "design" for my own page myself, because I don't care much about how it looks so it looks shitty but it's not important to me. However when I do a website for a customer (where I do html and python) I always refuse to do any design work and tell them to get and pay a real designer because everything else will just suck. Of course there are people who can do both graphics and coding and music. But one should not feel ashamed to admit to not be good in one of these areas: There are others who are and many will be happy to help out (either for free or for money). Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From fbar at footils.org Thu Mar 9 05:05:43 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Mar 9 05:05:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <440FFBE0.3070903@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> <200603081548490660.02296829@mail.imbris.net> <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> <440FFBE0.3070903@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <20060309100542.GE24718@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Cesare Marilungo hat gesagt: // Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Seriously, if you're right, then your music (like mine) should stink > since you're also a coder and you can't do both things as good as > somebody who is just a musician or a developer. I wrote "*pure* PHP-coder" and "*pure* musician". Being able to do PHP or HTML doesn't make you a good designer. It's a totally different profession. That doesn't completely rule out that people *can* be good at both, but that's actually quite rare because it takes years of commitment to become a good designer just as it takes years of practice to be good at, say, Pure Data or the Piano. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From fbar at footils.org Thu Mar 9 05:07:54 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Mar 9 05:07:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <20060309100542.GE24718@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> <200603081548490660.02296829@mail.imbris.net> <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> <440FFBE0.3070903@poeticstudios.com> <20060309100542.GE24718@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060309100754.GF24718@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Cesare Marilungo hat gesagt: // Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > > Seriously, if you're right, then your music (like mine) should stink > > since you're also a coder and you can't do both things as good as > > somebody who is just a musician or a developer. > > I wrote "*pure* PHP-coder" and "*pure* musician". Being able to do PHP > or HTML doesn't make you a good designer. It's a totally different > profession. That doesn't completely rule out that people *can* be good > at both, but that's actually quite rare because it takes years of > commitment to become a good designer just as it takes years of > practice to be good at, say, Pure Data or the Piano. And which site looks better: http://www.apple.com/ or http://sourceforge.net Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Mar 9 05:10:21 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Mar 9 05:10:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <20060309100754.GF24718@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> <200603081548490660.02296829@mail.imbris.net> <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> <440FFBE0.3070903@poeticstudios.com> <20060309100542.GE24718@fliwatut.scifi> <20060309100754.GF24718@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <440FFF0D.4010703@poeticstudios.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: >And which site looks better: >http://www.apple.com/ or http://sourceforge.net > >Ciao > > And which site you visit the most. And which as content more valuable to you? Ciao, c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Mar 9 05:17:41 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Mar 9 05:17:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <440FFF0D.4010703@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> <200603081548490660.02296829@mail.imbris.net> <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> <440FFBE0.3070903@poeticstudios.com> <20060309100542.GE24718@fliwatut.scifi> <20060309100754.GF24718@fliwatut.scifi> <440FFF0D.4010703@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <441000C5.2080203@poeticstudios.com> Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Frank Barknecht wrote: > >> And which site looks better: http://www.apple.com/ or >> http://sourceforge.net >> >> Ciao >> >> > And which site you visit the most. And which as content more valuable > to you? > > Ciao, > c. Also, if I have a website that looks like apple.com (I'm confident I could have made like it, since I've worked 10+ years as a graphic and web designer and teacher) what do I communicate? Maybe that I've decided to waste my time doing fancy graphics to convince you that I'm worth your attention, or worse that I've a professional studio who does this part for me. It's not the truth. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From fbar at footils.org Thu Mar 9 05:35:05 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Mar 9 05:34:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <441000C5.2080203@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> <200603081548490660.02296829@mail.imbris.net> <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> <440FFBE0.3070903@poeticstudios.com> <20060309100542.GE24718@fliwatut.scifi> <20060309100754.GF24718@fliwatut.scifi> <440FFF0D.4010703@poeticstudios.com> <441000C5.2080203@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <20060309103504.GG24718@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Cesare Marilungo hat gesagt: // Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > >Frank Barknecht wrote: > > > >>And which site looks better: http://www.apple.com/ or > >>http://sourceforge.net > >> > >And which site you visit the most. I hate visiting Sourceforge, but I have to. I don't visit apple.com, because they don't offer anything I want. > Also, if I have a website that looks like apple.com (I'm confident I > could have made like it, since I've worked 10+ years as a graphic and > web designer and teacher) what do I communicate? With that much experience in doing graphics, shouldn't you agree that someone with just 1 week experience in design will not have a full grasp of what it takes to do a good design, or that at least s/he will not have the same level of understanding as someone who spent 10 years with it? Let two people do a mockup for a web site design, one with 1 week, one with 10 years experience in design: Without question there will be a huge visible difference. All I'm saying is: If that difference is important to you, then choose a designer with 10 years experience. If it's not important, feel free to let someone without experience do the design and live with the difference. Just don't believe to be able to do a 10-year-design yourself without spending these 10 years on learning. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Mar 9 05:34:12 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Mar 9 05:35:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <441000C5.2080203@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> <200603081548490660.02296829@mail.imbris.net> <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> <440FFBE0.3070903@poeticstudios.com> <20060309100542.GE24718@fliwatut.scifi> <20060309100754.GF24718@fliwatut.scifi> <440FFF0D.4010703@poeticstudios.com> <441000C5.2080203@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: > Also, if I have a website that looks like apple.com (I'm confident I > could have made like it, since I've worked 10+ years as a graphic and > web designer and teacher) what do I communicate? Maybe that I've decided > to waste my time doing fancy graphics to convince you that I'm worth > your attention, or worse that I've a professional studio who does this > part for me. It's not the truth. ;) Well, I guess there are people out there who actually LIKE doing fancy graphics... you know, who get really passionate about it. As far as people on your level go agree, but frankly I don't think most people even think that far. A flash web site is UGLY to a coder, because he can 'see' the code under it and how useless it is and how it can't be read by screen readers and spits in the face of all the standards, etc. And simple web site can be pretty ugly to somebody who has some industrial product sitting next to the computer screen and compares. I think the secret is to find a way of doing both... Either oneself or through others. I know of ancient religious texts that have been written to be understandable and enjoyable on '300 different levels of consciousness'. In other words, everyone can understand and enjoy in his or her own way. I think this is also what distinguishes great literature. So how do we do this as for web sites? Well, this guy http://www.poweryoga.com puts it we all have these great Yoga Teachers in us that can come through when we quiet ourselves a little. I know I have an inner coder :) (I'm completely self-tought) and an inner musician, why not an inner web-site-design-marketing-delegator? I agree with simplicity though. I for myself would like to have a web site that is beautiful both on the code/standards compliance/simplicity level and also on the shiny glamour level... and about 500 other levels I'm not thinking of right now :) As far as truth goes... Well, the whole point of marketing is to allow other people to have their truths and interact with them there. It's PAINFUL. I know. But heck, we're here to be challenged :) So if you don't want to do your web site yourself, maybe if you think about it for a while something will turn up to make your site something that makes money... In the RIGHT way. I want MINE to be that way :) Carlo From carotinobg at yahoo.it Thu Mar 9 06:03:42 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Thu Mar 9 06:06:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <440FFBE0.3070903@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> <440FFBE0.3070903@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <200603091203.42469.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 10:56, gioved? 9 marzo 2006, Cesare Marilungo ha scritto: > My friends you're talking about marketing here. And marketing is crucial > in our society to sell products. Art should not be a product. How can I > believe your music is sincere if you communicate with a website full of > marketing tricks? The question is, what to "sell" with marketing tricks? A website eg. shouldn't be appealing as Apple's one, for example, but conveys the idea that free downloadable music is cool, Vorbis-seal of quality is cool, Linux-made-music is cool, because we are against the mainstream, and we think with our head. It's a different coolness. In fact, we are already convinced that we followed the right path, isn't it? We're already out of the MStream:) So, let's invent some logo, eg "Vorbis seal of quality" or "The Penguin plays here! (tm)", stick'em on websites, cd covers, ads etc., create some sort of manifesto, and create some hip hop song with a versification of GPL2 or something like this:) Let tell people that they can create a brave new world just by clicking on that PayPal button! The quality of your music should then speak by itself. We could say that "Creativity is Common, here!":) This would build a sense of community, some sort of a "CC-music scene". My 2 eurocents:) Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 07:54:51 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Mar 9 07:54:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Indigo IO problems In-Reply-To: <440F0101.60908@jeremah.co.uk> References: <440F0101.60908@jeremah.co.uk> Message-ID: <70a871c80603090454q16f6c4b0jed138655f4c4c8fc@mail.gmail.com> On 3/8/06, Jonny Stutters wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm currently attempting to set up an Acer 3220 laptop running Gentoo. > The soundcard I'm using is an Echo Indigo IO PCMCIA. The card worked > fine with my last laptop and works ok in Windows on the new computer. > So it's definitely something to do with Linux on this laptop. Hi! I am using Indigo IO with Acer 3004 running Gentoo. Everything works fine! Try to manually load driver via modprobe and look at dmesg output. Regards, Dmitry. From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Mar 9 07:55:28 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Mar 9 07:56:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <200603091203.42469.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> <440FFBE0.3070903@poeticstudios.com> <200603091203.42469.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: Brother in thought! Brother in mind! Be soluted, genius! May the fanfares play only for you today! Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Mar 9 08:06:14 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Mar 9 08:07:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <440FFBE0.3070903@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> <200603081548490660.02296829@mail.imbris.net> <20060309090625.GC24718@fliwatut.scifi> <440FFBE0.3070903@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: > BTW, I've made my own album covers. And they're great! lol... yeah some things are both ways :) The grande answer I suppose as always is 'it depends'. I heard once of a Hawaiian chief who was asked by the missionaries which of two ways to pronounce a word. 'That is correct' was his answer :) (This little story is a marketing trick by the way... was probably invented by someone but works charms to illustrate my point :) As for sincerety in marketing... Well, I guess the answer to that once is 'By BEING a commercial artist'. I'm a commercial artist. I see my art as a hybrid between a 'product' and art. It's both. It depends how you look at it. I want it to be 'art' in that it is infite, beautiful, loving... I want it to be a 'product' in that is may be easily devoured by those who wish to do so. Kind of like infecting the commercial machine with truly inspirational material. Or, if you are a marketer, I would say 'creating long-lasting products of genuinety'. The only thing that differs marketing from 'sincere' speech is that it tells people what to think. It says 'X is so'. 'Joe is desirable'. This is a problem if the question of whether X is so or not is a fight to the death. But if it is guided by intuition, which is the very source of genuineness, I am certain that it can be done. Respectfully, Carlo Busting dogma of all sorts since 1999 :) From jstutters at jeremah.co.uk Thu Mar 9 08:33:37 2006 From: jstutters at jeremah.co.uk (Jonny Stutters) Date: Thu Mar 9 08:33:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Indigo IO problems In-Reply-To: <70a871c80603090454q16f6c4b0jed138655f4c4c8fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <440F0101.60908@jeremah.co.uk> <70a871c80603090454q16f6c4b0jed138655f4c4c8fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44102EB1.5040700@jeremah.co.uk> Hi Dmitry, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > Hi! > I am using Indigo IO with Acer 3004 running Gentoo. > Everything works fine! > > Try to manually load driver via modprobe and look at dmesg output. Hmm.. the 3004 is very similar to the 3220 so I guess it's not a hardware problem that I'm having. I've tried loading snd-indigoio with modprobe but there's no relevant dmesg output. Could you tell me which kernel and alsa version you're using? If you could send me your kernel .config that'd be great. Cheers, Jonny www.jeremah.co.uk From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Mar 9 09:14:47 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Mar 9 08:45:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Debian and friends In-Reply-To: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> References: <18859698.1431141702308804.JavaMail.root@mugen> Message-ID: <44103857.8000000@woh.rr.com> Lee A. Azzarello wrote: >1) What Debian communities for audio software packaging are you a part of? > > AGNULA/Demudi >2) How do you install new releases to your system? > > I apt-get for updates fairly frequently. >3) How often do you build your own kernel for audio systems? > > Used to do it all the time, haven't done it for a few years though. Recently built a 2.6.15 kernel but haven't installed it yet. >5) If you are running real Debian, have you upgraded to etch or sid? > > Yes, I'm running a Demudi 1.3 system which is Etch-based. Kernel is 2.6.14. >4) I'm running sarge, eagerly awaiting etch. > > Wait no longer. :) Best, dp From jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com Thu Mar 9 09:18:53 2006 From: jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham) Date: Thu Mar 9 09:34:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] configuring streaming music downloads in firefox In-Reply-To: <440F364E.10703@sbcglobal.net> References: <20060210092642.4A14159F8EE@music.columbia.edu> <440F364E.10703@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20060309141853.GA24831@chicagoguitar.com> On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 01:53:50PM -0600, Brian Dunn wrote: > Is it possible to configure firefox in such a way that clicking links to > .mp3 and .ogg files causes them to play (prefferably in xmms) as they > are downloaded? A link to a howto would be just dandy. Well instead of downloading the mp3 choose open. Instead of choosing Save. You can select open with. Then pull down the drop menu and choose other. Then type in /usr/bin/xmms. More that likely if just doing open with no setting will either already use xmms or it will use mpg123. I have mplayerplugin installed. My mp3's tend to go to that. You can also edit you /etc/mailcap or ~/.mailcap. The firefox can be set to always perform this with this filetype and the popup dialog will no longer appear for mp3. You can then change that behavior by going into firefox's preferences. Jeremiah > > God Bless, > Brian From kevinc at doink.com Thu Mar 9 11:45:45 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Thu Mar 9 11:46:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa with Delta1010: something missing? In-Reply-To: <200638235350.547278@winxp1> Message-ID: <20060309164548.4F86A4079@joseph.doink.com> On 8 March 2006 at 23:53, Ruben Lopez wrote: > Sorry for the delayed response: No problem. > I know - I have been using two [Delta 1010s] on my Windows > mobile DAW for almost 2 years - I'm just trying to transition > them over to Linux. *When* you get both 1010s working on your Linux box, would you please publish a recipe for doing so that a novice could follow? I would buy a 2nd 1010 were it not for the fact that I can't find such a recipe, and I don't want to spend that kind of money unless I know it will work with reasonable effort. > Debian Etch 2.6.15-1 > Ardour 0.99-3+b1 > AMD Athlon XP 2000 > Delta 1010 Pretty much like my system, except Athlon 64-X2 4400 and Mandriva 2006.0 on one and Celeron with Mandrake 10.1 on the other. The Delta 1010 is on the Celeron box for the moment and will move to the Athlon box when I can get that box fully config'd and proven. Cheers.... -- Kevin From rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com Thu Mar 9 11:58:25 2006 From: rl1205 at sillylovesongs.com (Ruben Lopez) Date: Thu Mar 9 11:58:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa with Delta1010: something missing? In-Reply-To: <20060309164548.4F86A4079@joseph.doink.com> Message-ID: <20063985825.511749@winxp1> On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:45:45 -0800, Kevin Cosgrove was like: > > *When* you get both 1010s working on your Linux box, would you > please publish a recipe for doing so that a novice could follow? I > would buy a 2nd 1010 were it not for the fact that I can't find > such a recipe, and I don't want to spend that kind of money unless > I know it will work with reasonable effort. I haven't tried this yet, but it looks interesting: http://www.sound-man.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html Ruben --------------------------- Debian Etch 2.6.15-1 Ardour 0.99-3+b1 AMD Athlon XP 2000 Delta 1010 From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Thu Mar 9 11:45:08 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Thu Mar 9 11:59:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: slightly OT: supercomputer music In-Reply-To: References: <1141539861.3100.3.camel@rivendell.home.local> <20060307225715.GD3360@jdboyd.zill.net> Message-ID: <20060309164508.GA8687@jdboyd.zill.net> On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:37:16AM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > Well, think about the name NUMA. If you don't have a deterministic > memory access time then realtime is somewhat difficult. It may not be deterministic, but it is bounded. It is my understanding that a system doesn't need to be completely deterministic. It is suffiecient to know that the worst case is within your boundaries, as I understand it. From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Thu Mar 9 12:23:30 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0dGVyIFN1bmRsw7Zm?=) Date: Thu Mar 9 12:23:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa with Delta1010: something missing? In-Reply-To: <20063985825.511749@winxp1> References: <20063985825.511749@winxp1> Message-ID: <44106492.8090909@findus.dhs.org> Ruben Lopez wrote: > On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:45:45 -0800, Kevin Cosgrove was like: > >>*When* you get both 1010s working on your Linux box, would you >>please publish a recipe for doing so that a novice could follow? I >>would buy a 2nd 1010 were it not for the fact that I can't find >>such a recipe, and I don't want to spend that kind of money unless >>I know it will work with reasonable effort. > > > I haven't tried this yet, but it looks interesting: > > http://www.sound-man.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html It works, at least for me and Doug McLain (he was the one who helped me get it working, and wrote many patches for alsa). We both use 1010LT cards. Currently if you use 1010LT, you need to use ALSA-CVS also. Use no patches against ALSA CVS, but patches from that page for everything else. You need to connect the S/PDIF out of the master card to the S/PDIF in of the slave card. Use the most recent envy24control in CVS to make things work correctly. From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Mar 9 12:27:52 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Thu Mar 9 12:27:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] configuring streaming music downloads in firefox In-Reply-To: <20060309141853.GA24831@chicagoguitar.com> References: <20060210092642.4A14159F8EE@music.columbia.edu> <440F364E.10703@sbcglobal.net> <20060309141853.GA24831@chicagoguitar.com> Message-ID: <20060309182752.58ba972c@mango.fruits> On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:18:53 -0600 jjbenham@chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham) wrote: > Well instead of downloading the mp3 choose open. Instead of choosing > Save. You can select open with. Then pull down the drop menu and choose > other. Then type in /usr/bin/xmms. More that likely if just doing open > with no setting will either already use xmms or it will use mpg123. I > have mplayerplugin installed. My mp3's tend to go to that. You can also > edit you /etc/mailcap or ~/.mailcap. The firefox can be set to always > perform this with this filetype and the popup dialog will no longer > appear for mp3. You can then change that behavior by going into > firefox's preferences. I think the problem is that with this mechanism firefox always dl's the mp3 first before playing it. THe OP wants to stream and at the same time save. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Mar 9 12:37:00 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Mar 9 12:37:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa with Delta1010: something missing? In-Reply-To: <200638235350.547278@winxp1> References: <200638235350.547278@winxp1> Message-ID: <1141925820.13319.43.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 23:53 -0800, Ruben Lopez wrote: > >> but when I try to change to the Delta card, I get the "couldn't > >> open audio" error message. The snd_ice1712 module is loaded. I > >> tried disabling the C-Media chip in the BIOS, but Ubuntu still > >> recognizes and uses it. > > > > What are you doing to "try to change to the Delta card"? > > xmms -> Options -> Preferences -> Audio I/O Plugins/Output > Plugin/Configure > XMMS bug. The select list only contains "default" and "hw" devices which can't work because the ICE1712 only support S32_LE samples which are rarely used in .wav files. "default:x" or "plughw:x" should work where x is the number of the ICE1712 card. I guess you'll have to edit the XMMS config file. Please report this incorrect enumeration of ALSA devices as a bug to the XMMS maintainers. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Mar 9 12:39:53 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Mar 9 12:39:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] configuring streaming music downloads in firefox In-Reply-To: <20060309182752.58ba972c@mango.fruits> References: <20060210092642.4A14159F8EE@music.columbia.edu> <440F364E.10703@sbcglobal.net> <20060309141853.GA24831@chicagoguitar.com> <20060309182752.58ba972c@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <1141925994.13319.45.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 18:27 +0100, Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:18:53 -0600 > jjbenham@chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham) wrote: > > > Well instead of downloading the mp3 choose open. Instead of choosing > > Save. You can select open with. Then pull down the drop menu and choose > > other. Then type in /usr/bin/xmms. More that likely if just doing open > > with no setting will either already use xmms or it will use mpg123. I > > have mplayerplugin installed. My mp3's tend to go to that. You can also > > edit you /etc/mailcap or ~/.mailcap. The firefox can be set to always > > perform this with this filetype and the popup dialog will no longer > > appear for mp3. You can then change that behavior by going into > > firefox's preferences. > > I think the problem is that with this mechanism firefox always dl's the > mp3 first before playing it. THe OP wants to stream and at the same time > save. I believe the mplayer-plugin does what you want. The version I have still fails a lot (starts to buffer the file then just says "Stopped", but I can right-click, save and play with gmplayer). Lee From kevinc at doink.com Thu Mar 9 12:42:13 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Thu Mar 9 13:01:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa with Delta1010: something missing? In-Reply-To: <44106492.8090909@findus.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20060309174215.556014079@joseph.doink.com> On 9 March 2006 at 18:23, =?UTF-8?B?UGV0dGVyIFN1bmRsw7Zm?= wrote: > > http://www.sound-man.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html > > It works, at least for me and Doug McLain (he was the one who helped me > get it working, and wrote many patches for alsa). We both use 1010LT cards. I wonder if that works with non-LT "cards" or with a combination of LT and non-LT cards. I suppose it probably does. A friend of mine has an LT card. Maybe I can borrow that after upgrading to what you mention below. > Currently if you use 1010LT, you need to use ALSA-CVS also. Use no > patches against ALSA CVS, but patches from that page for everything else. > You need to connect the S/PDIF out of the master card to the S/PDIF in > of the slave card. Use the most recent envy24control in CVS to make > things work correctly. Would you know if the version upgrades recommended for the 1010LT are also recommended for 1010? Thanks... -- Kevin From terakuma at imbris.net Thu Mar 9 13:25:37 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Thu Mar 9 13:25:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <20060309075358.256E1A07D44@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060309075358.256E1A07D44@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603091025370890.01088B97@mail.imbris.net> >Speaking of, I've always thought these pics would be great album cover >material for a DJ type artist: > >http://www.members.dca.net/rlrevell/amsterdam%20april%202004/DCIM/100NIKON/ DSCN0645.JPG >http://www.members.dca.net/rlrevell/amsterdam%20april%202004/DCIM/100NIKON/ DSCN0643.JPG > >Lee Holy crap those were big pictures! WTH *is* that thing? - M From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Mar 9 13:45:15 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Mar 9 13:45:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <200603091025370890.01088B97@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060309075358.256E1A07D44@music.columbia.edu> <200603091025370890.01088B97@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <1141929915.13319.52.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 10:25 -0800, Maluvia wrote: > >Speaking of, I've always thought these pics would be great album cover > >material for a DJ type artist: > > > >http://www.members.dca.net/rlrevell/amsterdam%20april%202004/DCIM/100NIKON/ > DSCN0645.JPG > >http://www.members.dca.net/rlrevell/amsterdam%20april%202004/DCIM/100NIKON/ > DSCN0643.JPG > > > >Lee > > Holy crap those were big pictures! > WTH *is* that thing? It's just some random electrical box I saw on the street in Amsterdam, that someone had drawn a turntable on top of. Lee From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 13:48:10 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Mar 9 13:48:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Indigo IO problems In-Reply-To: <44102EB1.5040700@jeremah.co.uk> References: <440F0101.60908@jeremah.co.uk> <70a871c80603090454q16f6c4b0jed138655f4c4c8fc@mail.gmail.com> <44102EB1.5040700@jeremah.co.uk> Message-ID: <70a871c80603091048v35c4c9bq36ffd08d477d06d@mail.gmail.com> gentoo-sources-2.6.15-r5 alsa-driver-1.0.10-r2 (1.0.11_rc* have broken intel-hda) dmesg output on card insertion: pccard: CardBus card inserted into slot 0 PCI: Enabling device 0000:07:00.0 (0000 -> 0002) ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:07:00.0[A] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 ALSA /var/tmp/portage/alsa-driver-1.0.10-r2/work/alsa-driver-1.0.10/pci/echoaudio/echoaudio.c:2005: Card registered: Indigo IO rev.0 (DSP56361) at 0x54000000 irq 18 make.conf: ALSA_CARDS="hda-intel indigoio usb-audio" Kernel config attached. Hope that'll help. Good luck, Dmitry. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: kconfig.gz Type: application/x-gzip Size: 8010 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060309/90362223/kconfig.bin From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Mar 9 14:00:30 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Mar 9 14:01:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Shelljam 0.0.4 Overtones Edition! ;) Message-ID: <44107B4E.8080103@gmx.net> Got a demo n a new release for ya! Check it out! /* http://shelljam.sourceforge.net */ Hi, thanks for reading. Your host-to-brand-new-overrated software, Carlo Capocasa, has his pleasure welcoming you to this group of pixels that mysteriously enough makes sense to you (ask a fly what he has to say of this message). Bzzzz Thought so. /* http://shelljam.sourceforge.net */ In any case, there have been program updates (touchpad controlled Saw Wave Overtones! Ohboyohboyohboy this is great! Couple it with Zyn and... MAAAAAN! This is so awsome :) And, it actually gives you more control than the purchasable hardware bug-prone heavy-to-carry performance-latency-issue knob controlled MIDI hardware out there, because you can control _two MIDI controllers with just one finger_. The world seriously needs laptops with more than one touchpad : Also, on the web site is a little bit of my famous irrevent humor as a goodie (except when you are the target), a brand new mug shot (yes, I do actually look that way, and I have been boxing but I wasn't serious enough about it for it to change my appearence), and a brand new demo of the brand new touchpad controlled overtones saw-wave goodie feature, complete with Zyn patch and S24 live recording. Of course, directly listenable in your beloved OGG Vorbis. /* http://shelljam.sourceforge.net */ Oh yeah and everything in my last smackdown release is fixed, the new MIDI system is really fantastico, and the UI is still nonexistent. DUH. It works though. And the thing looks really great in my mind... cross graphics mode user interface! All this, and of course the program pre-compiled and partly-statically-linked and hence probably readily to use, or also as spiffy simplified source text files if you so prefer, at the same location as always, -> http://shelljam.sourceforge.net Enjoy! Carlo /* http://shelljam.sourceforge.net */ /* Yeah, I really MEAN it! ;) */ From oscar at oveas.com Thu Mar 9 11:06:04 2006 From: oscar at oveas.com (Oscar) Date: Thu Mar 9 14:25:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] No audio nor MIDI via USB (PlanetCCRMA/FC3/TASCAM US-122) Message-ID: <200603091706.05314.oscar@oveas.com> Dear fellow musicians, I'm trying to get my studio up and running with Rosegarden, but I can't get an audio or MIDI signal in Rosegarden. My distro is Fedora 3 with the Planet CCRMA kernel, and the latest versions of JACK and Rosegarden. I'm using a TASCAM US-122 Audio/MIDI-USB convertor. I've seen some earlier messages in this list about Rosegarden not showing up in the "Readable Clients / Output ports" tab in QJackCtl; that's the same with me, but not of the suggestions so far helped me. The TASCAM_X2Y shows up as readable and as writable client in MIDI, together with MIDI Through-0. Rosegarden only as Writable. In the audio tab, I've got alsa_pcm and rosegarden at both sides, but the only way I can get audio signal is by connecting the Tascam's Line-Out to my soundcard's line-in :-( TASCAM also looks okay in the USB device listing: [root@femoralis ~]# lsusb Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 004 Device 002: ID 058f:9360 Alcor Micro Corp. Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 003 Device 006: ID 1604:8007 Tascam US-122 Audio/Midi Interface Bus 003 Device 002: ID 058f:9254 Alcor Micro Corp. Hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 As far as I can see, all proper modules are loaded as well: [root@femoralis ~]# lsmod Module Size Used by snd_seq_midi 10400 2 snd_seq_midi_event 8704 1 snd_seq_midi snd_seq_dummy 4228 1 realtime 5256 0 commoncap 7040 1 realtime snd_seq 61456 12 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event,snd_seq_dummy parport_pc 27972 1 lp 12232 0 parport 36424 2 parport_pc,lp autofs4 20356 0 sunrpc 144836 1 ipt_REJECT 7296 1 ipt_state 1792 5 ip_conntrack 44728 1 ipt_state iptable_filter 2816 1 ip_tables 23424 3 ipt_REJECT,ipt_state,iptable_filter dm_mod 61308 0 video 15492 0 container 4352 0 button 6416 0 battery 9220 0 ac 4740 0 sd_mod 19088 1 snd_usb_usx2y 30912 2 snd_hwdep 10656 1 snd_usb_usx2y md5 4096 1 ipv6 265248 10 usb_storage 67904 1 scsi_mod 131272 2 sd_mod,usb_storage uhci_hcd 31760 0 ehci_hcd 35080 0 i2c_viapro 7696 0 i2c_core 22800 1 i2c_viapro snd_via82xx 28736 5 snd_ac97_codec 79736 1 snd_via82xx gameport 4608 1 snd_via82xx snd_mpu401_uart 8704 1 snd_via82xx snd_usb_audio 71488 0 snd_pcm_oss 63648 0 snd_mixer_oss 21632 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 108424 7 snd_usb_usx2y,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 28292 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 10884 3 snd_usb_usx2y,snd_via82xx,snd_pcm snd_usb_lib 16640 2 snd_usb_usx2y,snd_usb_audio snd_rawmidi 27936 3 snd_seq_midi,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_usb_lib snd_seq_device 9612 4 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi snd 69636 25 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq,snd_usb_usx2y,snd_hwdep,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_usb_lib,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device soundcore 9952 1 snd via_rhine 24196 0 mii 5120 1 via_rhine floppy 59472 0 ext3 135816 2 jbd 67096 1 ext3 Anybody any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Oscar From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Mar 9 14:45:30 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Thu Mar 9 14:45:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Shelljam 0.0.4 Overtones Edition! ;) In-Reply-To: <44107B4E.8080103@gmx.net> References: <44107B4E.8080103@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20060309204530.7b96c68d@mango.fruits> On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:00:30 +0100 Carlo Capocasa wrote: > /* http://shelljam.sourceforge.net */ Gnah, the 0.0.4 tarball seems to be broken: ~/source/build_stuff/shelljam-0.0.4$ ls -la total 56 drwxr-xr-x 2 tapas tapas 4096 Mar 9 12:46 . drwxr-xr-x 81 tapas tapas 4096 Mar 9 20:35 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 tapas tapas 378 Mar 9 12:46 AUTHORS -rw-r--r-- 1 tapas tapas 17976 Mar 9 12:46 COPYING -rw-r--r-- 1 tapas tapas 1238 Mar 9 12:46 INSTALL -rw-r--r-- 1 tapas tapas 4308 Mar 9 12:46 README -rw-r--r-- 1 tapas tapas 416 Mar 9 12:46 SConstruct -rw-r--r-- 1 tapas tapas 142 Mar 9 12:46 TODO -rw-r--r-- 1 tapas tapas 473 Mar 9 12:46 changelog scons rightously complains: ~/source/build_stuff/shelljam-0.0.4$ scons scons: Reading SConscript files ... scons: done reading SConscript files. scons: Building targets ... scons: *** Source `shelljam.cpp' not found, needed by target `shelljam.o'. Stop. scons: building terminated because of errors. Anyways,i almost started writing a software just like yours as i was inspired by SC3's MouseX and MouseY UGens. But you were quicker :) As i cannot test your app atm, i just leave some random ideas here which you maybe consider worth integrating into your app (maybe you already implemented some of them). - Read the mouse and keyboard regardless of the window focus. This enables twiddling with other knobs in other apps without having to switch focus all the time (of course twiddling other knobs will also generate midi events then, but often this is done in a fiddling phase anyways, so it doesn't hurt. - use a bunch of shortcuts to do certain stuff (again regardless of window focus) - read/ignore mouse/keyboard - grab/ungrab mouse/keyboard (if ungrabbed, but reading is on, the mouse/keys will be free to do other stuff while still generating midi events. I know this is possible as SC3's MouseX and MouseY do it - toggle configurable midi setups (as to which controllers are mapped to the mouse axes, midi channel, etc) - use the scrollwheel, too Have fun, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Mar 9 14:47:47 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Thu Mar 9 14:47:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Shelljam 0.0.4 Overtones Edition! ;) In-Reply-To: <20060309204530.7b96c68d@mango.fruits> References: <44107B4E.8080103@gmx.net> <20060309204530.7b96c68d@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <20060309204747.1ae3c580@mango.fruits> On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:45:30 +0100 Florian Schmidt wrote: [snip] And oh yeah, i forgot, a GUI to setup all these nicely and easily ;) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From plessas at mur.at Thu Mar 9 15:14:06 2006 From: plessas at mur.at (Peter Plessas) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:12:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] usb midi device numbers Message-ID: <44108C8E.1060008@mur.at> Dear List, whenever i connect my faderbox via usb-midi to my debian box, the device shows up as a different device-no (using it with pd). Is there a way to set the hot-pluggable device order in /etc/alsa.conf? thanks for any suggestions! Peter From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Thu Mar 9 15:29:24 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0dGVyIFN1bmRsw7Zm?=) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:29:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa with Delta1010: something missing? In-Reply-To: <20060309174215.556014079@joseph.doink.com> References: <20060309174215.556014079@joseph.doink.com> Message-ID: <44109024.7090605@findus.dhs.org> > Would you know if the version upgrades recommended for the 1010LT are > also recommended for 1010? Apparently not needed for ALSA if you use World clock syncing, since the sound-man.co.uk guy used 1010s (non-LT). From besnik at spymac.com Thu Mar 9 15:55:39 2006 From: besnik at spymac.com (besnik@spymac.com) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:56:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] dj-ing hardware under Linux Message-ID: <20060309205539.9F1875C002D@webmail2.spymac.net> Hello, I apologize if this is not the right place to ask the question, but I'd like to know a little more about any real experience with dj-ing hardware (like Hercules dj console, an announced product from Behringer, PCDJ console, some other product from Stanton). For instance, I can buy the Hercules' one for 116 Euros, but is there any chance to make that work under Linux? besnik From ico at vt.edu Thu Mar 9 16:01:24 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (ico) Date: Thu Mar 9 16:01:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Marketing Free Music Message-ID: <444E847A@zathras> Hi Carlo, I think that you have presented a couple valid points. This motion, however, is something that will be only as successful as community wants it to be. FWIW, we could talk about incorporating your idea into the Linuxaudio.org mission as long as the two remain within the same scope. This way we the two could mutually benefit and in the long-run through exposure encourage others to adopt similar (or preferably same) strategy. Best wishes, Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Carlo Capocasa > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:42 AM > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Subject: [linux-audio-user] Marketing Free Music > > Yep, you heard me right. We need to MARKET our free music. Just because > it's free doesn't mean we don't have to work to make it acceptable to > the general public. And, we've got to convince people to press those > donation buttons once (preferably twice) a day. > > Right now, as Cesare pointed out in a previous post, CDs are looked at > to have enough added value to pay 20 bucks to get a booklet and liner > notes. Clearly, it's not the booklet and the liner notes. It's a ritual. > a 'CD' is kind of like a diploma... We live in a culture where people > just don't believe in themselves anymore. They need proof that an > external authority has approved this whatchmahallit and hence it is > 'good' (ie they may judge it 'good' and trust a lot of people will agree) > > College degrees. Course diplomas. Organic food. Plastic toy safety. > Certificates, certificates, certificates, everywhere you look. It > appears people somehow have this mysterious 'them' in their heads and > believe they must appease them. As soon as you act like an authority you > become a part of the mysterious 'them' and hence have credibility. > > Sad, but true. > > Of course there's a bunch of people out there with a mission to change > that... There's Serge Kahili King (http://www.huna.org) and Neale Donald > Walsch (http://www.cwg.com) to name two. They're all about 'What do YOU > think? It's about you! Start thinking!' (actually speaking of thinking > there's also Bob Proctor (http://www.bobproctor.com) but watch out the > guys a REALLY GOOD salesperson. > > So these guys are all working to create a free society and that's what > we should do to... A free society is one where people actually work to > find out what suits them, what they want in life, their personal taste, > etc. In other words, freedom of mental SERFDOM. > > But I do find it helpful to work with what people believe NOW in order > to lead their minds somewhere. So we should create just that... logos, > logos, logos. Brands. Marketing. > > We find our short, catchy message and then repeat it til the sun goes > down. And up. And down. And up. And down. > > "Downloadable music is superior to store-bought CDs" > "The OGG Vorbis file format is a sign of quality." > "Music that costs something is worthless." > "You are under a moral obligation to donate when you download music > for free and listen to it regularly." > > OGG Vorbis needs a logo. "VORBIS Seal of quality." Kind of like 'Intel > Inside'. People don't exactly know what this 'Intel' is that is inside > but simply assume they need it. People don't know exactly what this > 'VORBIS' is but assume it stands for freedom, love, good feelings... > > I believe the best 'brand' and 'credible authority figure' we can create > is simply 'Free Music'. You get some free music and you know what to > expect, and you know what is expected from you. Like in a well-known > kingdom in the middle ages (some things never change). > > So we have just created a music label that is truly free, that anyone > can participate in... That's pretty Sweet :) Now we're REALLY replacing > the middleman, not only in terms of distribution but in terms of > authority! > > Anyone wanna gimme a hand? What do YOU think of this long-ass post? :) > > > ;) > > Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Mar 9 16:04:13 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Mar 9 16:05:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] Shelljam 0.0.4 Overtones Edition! ;) In-Reply-To: <20060309204530.7b96c68d@mango.fruits> References: <44107B4E.8080103@gmx.net> <20060309204530.7b96c68d@mango.fruits> Message-ID: Fixed. Had switched my file extensions from .cxx to .cpp and forgot to update my trusty build script... Thanks for letting me know. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Mar 9 16:24:18 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Mar 9 16:28:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] Shelljam 0.0.4 Overtones Edition! ;) In-Reply-To: <20060309204530.7b96c68d@mango.fruits> References: <44107B4E.8080103@gmx.net> <20060309204530.7b96c68d@mango.fruits> Message-ID: Sup Flo! > Anyways,i almost started writing a software just like yours as i was > inspired by SC3's MouseX and MouseY UGens. But you were quicker :) As i > cannot test your app atm, i just leave some random ideas here which you > maybe consider worth integrating into your app (maybe you already > implemented some of them). Appreciate it! :) didn't know about SC3 gotta give it a shot... Oh... and patches are ALWAYS welcome :) > - Read the mouse and keyboard regardless of the window focus. This > enables twiddling with other knobs in other apps without having to > switch focus all the time (of course twiddling other knobs will also > generate midi events then, but often this is done in a fiddling phase > anyways, so it doesn't hurt. That's a good one :) I have a suspicion however that one would need to somehow have kernel space access to the keyboard driver for this one to work... Have a look here: http://www.ggi-project.org/documentation/libgii/current/ index.html#libgii-libraries-and-utilities These are the input devices libgii supports... If you can find one that works regardless of window focus we're on :) Perhaps the linux event interface. Right now I use input-x under X. input-x simply locks the keyboard. Actually that works pretty darn well, since all patchable synths (ams, Om, spiralmodular probably too) and also amSynth support arbitrary assignment of controllers to their parameters. The hard-coded controllers of right now are made with Zyn's fixed controllers in mind. So you just assign the controllers to 71 for sound timbre and 74 for sound brightness do some pretty cool controller stuff (see demo)... I'd say it's already good for live performing :) > - use a bunch of shortcuts to do certain stuff (again regardless of > window focus) Planned :) > - read/ignore mouse/keyboard > - grab/ungrab mouse/keyboard (if ungrabbed, but reading is on, > the mouse/keys will be free to do other stuff while still generating midi > events. I know this is possible as SC3's MouseX and MouseY do it That's really nice :) Type a letter to Mom and send her the Midi :) LOL > - toggle configurable midi setups (as to which controllers are mapped > to the mouse axes, midi channel, etc) > - use the scrollwheel, too They'll be XML based assignment of any key/axis/button to any MIDI event... Also right in the GUI and savable, in time. Feel free to hack something up :) (code, that is) Great you were thinking about the same thing :) I can already play one handed with chords and two controllers on my laptop with touchpad... Great for scratching yourself while playing. Carlo From dana at ubuntustudio.com Thu Mar 9 16:37:57 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Thu Mar 9 16:38:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1b6a07c30603091337o1d50492eya134ac3e88bf4691@mail.gmail.com> On 3/9/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Yep, you heard me right. We need to MARKET our free music. Just because > it's free doesn't mean we don't have to work to make it acceptable to > the general public. And, we've got to convince people to press those > donation buttons once (preferably twice) a day. > > Right now, as Cesare pointed out in a previous post, CDs are looked at > to have enough added value to pay 20 bucks to get a booklet and liner > notes. Clearly, it's not the booklet and the liner notes. It's a ritual. > a 'CD' is kind of like a diploma... We live in a culture where people > just don't believe in themselves anymore. They need proof that an > external authority has approved this whatchmahallit and hence it is > 'good' (ie they may judge it 'good' and trust a lot of people will agree) > > College degrees. Course diplomas. Organic food. Plastic toy safety. > Certificates, certificates, certificates, everywhere you look. It > appears people somehow have this mysterious 'them' in their heads and > believe they must appease them. As soon as you act like an authority you > become a part of the mysterious 'them' and hence have credibility. > > Sad, but true. > > Of course there's a bunch of people out there with a mission to change > that... There's Serge Kahili King (http://www.huna.org) and Neale Donald > Walsch (http://www.cwg.com) to name two. They're all about 'What do YOU > think? It's about you! Start thinking!' (actually speaking of thinking > there's also Bob Proctor (http://www.bobproctor.com) but watch out the > guys a REALLY GOOD salesperson. > > So these guys are all working to create a free society and that's what > we should do to... A free society is one where people actually work to > find out what suits them, what they want in life, their personal taste, > etc. In other words, freedom of mental SERFDOM. > > But I do find it helpful to work with what people believe NOW in order > to lead their minds somewhere. So we should create just that... logos, > logos, logos. Brands. Marketing. > > We find our short, catchy message and then repeat it til the sun goes > down. And up. And down. And up. And down. > > "Downloadable music is superior to store-bought CDs" > "The OGG Vorbis file format is a sign of quality." > "Music that costs something is worthless." > "You are under a moral obligation to donate when you download music > for free and listen to it regularly." > > OGG Vorbis needs a logo. "VORBIS Seal of quality." Kind of like 'Intel > Inside'. People don't exactly know what this 'Intel' is that is inside > but simply assume they need it. People don't know exactly what this > 'VORBIS' is but assume it stands for freedom, love, good feelings... > > I believe the best 'brand' and 'credible authority figure' we can create > is simply 'Free Music'. You get some free music and you know what to > expect, and you know what is expected from you. Like in a well-known > kingdom in the middle ages (some things never change). > > So we have just created a music label that is truly free, that anyone > can participate in... That's pretty Sweet :) Now we're REALLY replacing > the middleman, not only in terms of distribution but in terms of authority! > > Anyone wanna gimme a hand? What do YOU think of this long-ass post? :) > > > ;) > > Carlo I read your whole post, but I think I forgot part of it already.. ;) Anyhow, I've been thinking a lot lately about removing the MP3s from my own website and leaving only the Oggs, but I think I'd rather have some great logos and information to promote it before - the timing would be right then. My suggestion would be to make any kinds of logos and things like that in SVG form, with a transparent background, as bands have different color schemes or button/banner schemes, etc. and it should really be fairly flexible. For example, if I have a black background, perhaps a white background for an "Ogg Rocks" logo would feel out of place, or whatnot. I say SVG because I like to have my images at certain sizes, and SVG is ideal for that. But these are just suggestions and I might not really know what I'm talking about. Either way, I'm really interested in supporting an initiative like this, even if my music isn't great and I have all of 3 fans. :) Dana From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Mar 9 17:19:06 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Mar 9 17:18:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30603091337o1d50492eya134ac3e88bf4691@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6a07c30603091337o1d50492eya134ac3e88bf4691@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060309221906.348b64a7@localhost> On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:37:57 -0500 "Dana Olson" wrote: > On 3/9/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > Yep, you heard me right. We need to MARKET our free music. Just because > > it's free doesn't mean we don't have to work to make it acceptable to > > the general public. And, we've got to convince people to press those > > donation buttons once (preferably twice) a day. > > > > Right now, as Cesare pointed out in a previous post, CDs are looked at > > to have enough added value to pay 20 bucks to get a booklet and liner > > notes. Clearly, it's not the booklet and the liner notes. It's a ritual. > > a 'CD' is kind of like a diploma... We live in a culture where people > > just don't believe in themselves anymore. They need proof that an > > external authority has approved this whatchmahallit and hence it is > > 'good' (ie they may judge it 'good' and trust a lot of people will agree) > > > > College degrees. Course diplomas. Organic food. Plastic toy safety. > > Certificates, certificates, certificates, everywhere you look. It > > appears people somehow have this mysterious 'them' in their heads and > > believe they must appease them. As soon as you act like an authority you > > become a part of the mysterious 'them' and hence have credibility. > > > > Sad, but true. > > > > Of course there's a bunch of people out there with a mission to change > > that... There's Serge Kahili King (http://www.huna.org) and Neale Donald > > Walsch (http://www.cwg.com) to name two. They're all about 'What do YOU > > think? It's about you! Start thinking!' (actually speaking of thinking > > there's also Bob Proctor (http://www.bobproctor.com) but watch out the > > guys a REALLY GOOD salesperson. > > > > So these guys are all working to create a free society and that's what > > we should do to... A free society is one where people actually work to > > find out what suits them, what they want in life, their personal taste, > > etc. In other words, freedom of mental SERFDOM. > > > > But I do find it helpful to work with what people believe NOW in order > > to lead their minds somewhere. So we should create just that... logos, > > logos, logos. Brands. Marketing. > > > > We find our short, catchy message and then repeat it til the sun goes > > down. And up. And down. And up. And down. > > > > "Downloadable music is superior to store-bought CDs" > > "The OGG Vorbis file format is a sign of quality." > > "Music that costs something is worthless." > > "You are under a moral obligation to donate when you download music > > for free and listen to it regularly." > > > > OGG Vorbis needs a logo. "VORBIS Seal of quality." Kind of like 'Intel > > Inside'. People don't exactly know what this 'Intel' is that is inside > > but simply assume they need it. People don't know exactly what this > > 'VORBIS' is but assume it stands for freedom, love, good feelings... > > > > I believe the best 'brand' and 'credible authority figure' we can create > > is simply 'Free Music'. You get some free music and you know what to > > expect, and you know what is expected from you. Like in a well-known > > kingdom in the middle ages (some things never change). > > > > So we have just created a music label that is truly free, that anyone > > can participate in... That's pretty Sweet :) Now we're REALLY replacing > > the middleman, not only in terms of distribution but in terms of authority! > > > > Anyone wanna gimme a hand? What do YOU think of this long-ass post? :) > > > > > > ;) > > > > Carlo > > > I read your whole post, but I think I forgot part of it already.. ;) > > Anyhow, I've been thinking a lot lately about removing the MP3s from > my own website and leaving only the Oggs, but I think I'd rather have > some great logos and information to promote it before - the timing > would be right then. > > My suggestion would be to make any kinds of logos and things like that > in SVG form, with a transparent background, as bands have different > color schemes or button/banner schemes, etc. and it should really be > fairly flexible. For example, if I have a black background, perhaps a > white background for an "Ogg Rocks" logo would feel out of place, or > whatnot. I say SVG because I like to have my images at certain sizes, > and SVG is ideal for that. But these are just suggestions and I might > not really know what I'm talking about. > > Either way, I'm really interested in supporting an initiative like > this, even if my music isn't great and I have all of 3 fans. :) > > Dana I think it is also possible to make use of language to make a cultural shift. People are naturally lazy in their speech. Look at how gasoline becomes gas in the US and petroleum spirit becomes petrol in the UK. Now in the mp3 v ogg vorbis contest the battle is half won if you drop the vorbis bit, and get *young* people talking like: Hey man, you got an ogg of that? And use subtle advertising like: mp3s are OK but oggs are cool. Bring in the technical reasons only after you've got people's attention and again, only if they ask for it. I also think it is a mistake to talk about 'free' music. There has been a decades long campaign by commercial interests that anything free is worthless. You can't fight that overnight and on a zero budget, so don't try. Instead, talk about say, 'urban' music or maybe 'natural' music. Give the suggestion that it's nothing new, and belongs to everyone without using the dangerous 'free' word. Make it seem like a right. In today's over-controlled world people are getting pretty uppety about what they think are rights being denied them. Apart from anything else, such an approach is also an honest one that detractors would find damn hard to challenge. -- F From tito at rumford.de Thu Mar 9 07:47:32 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Thu Mar 9 17:23:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <443B6F73@zathras> <20060309070328.GB3772@localhost> Message-ID: <200603091347.32968.tito@rumford.de> "Loki Davison" : > ATI chipsets are crap in any mode. ;-) Crap in what way? -- Wolfgang From ix at replic.net Thu Mar 9 17:27:35 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Thu Mar 9 17:27:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: <444E847A@zathras> References: <444E847A@zathras> Message-ID: <20060309222735.GL2932@replic.net> > > "Downloadable music is superior to store-bought CDs" i tend do disagree. since when i buy a CD i have a nice backup copy, ,and the artwork. its amazing that apple has sold 1 billion lossy tunes without a hardbackup, and then integrated all sorts of 'make the user orphan/lose their music' defaults into itunes and their policy. and all this along with selling a player without FM radio (since they could get the music for 'free' that way) this is what we're up against... ideally id like to not have to think about downloading it. for ex maybe i can just dedicate 20GB of my HD and 20% of upstream bandwidth to some kind of 'freenet' backend to a CC music database.. then i dont have to deal with curating a collection, but know i can still listen to disheled_mutt-a-0-2932-1266.ogg even when disheveledmutt.net is down, yagetme? > > "The OGG Vorbis file format is a sign of quality." the logo should be some kind of upright shiny egg, with maybe a crack or two in it and some red stuff inside (obligatory Turing nod) > > "Music that costs something is worthless." it is pretty disappointing that the only way i CAN pay for the music i want is buy the CDs one at a time as they come out, and pay their price again in shipping to order from a few boutique stores in London, since the incumbent music industry seems to have forgotten anything it ever knew about artistic diversity or a&R > > "You are under a moral obligation to donate when you download music > > for free and listen to it regularly." says who. g-d? i disagree > > > > OGG Vorbis needs a logo. "VORBIS Seal of quality." Kind of like 'Intel > > Inside'. People don't exactly know what this 'Intel' is that is inside > > but simply assume they need it. People don't know exactly what this > > 'VORBIS' is but assume it stands for freedom, love, good feelings... yeah. we can wrap up all sorts of positive emotions into a logo and then sell it to people for huge margins, then stop worrying about how to make money since our society will be replaced with one that runs on pure emotion and compassion. how about we callit the UTOPIA initiative? > > > > I believe the best 'brand' and 'credible authority figure' we can create > > is simply 'Free Music'. if i had money, id think about buying some of the music i have on my hd, but it would be pretty much impossible to track down more than 5% of it. so this is more or less why i mainly support free music., the other option is difficult, and inaffordable,. > You get some free music and you know what to > > expect, and you know what is expected from you. Like in a well-known > > kingdom in the middle ages (some things never change). > > > > So we have just created a music label that is truly free, that anyone > > can participate in... That's pretty Sweet :) Now we're REALLY replacing > > the middleman, not only in terms of distribution but in terms of > > authority! im pretty sure archive.org is what you describe. its also filled with crap. i like the servicse that middlemen like pirate radio, DJs, and mp3 release group 'brand names' provide. sifting thru the crap is a fulltime job. if you want to get started on some kind of 'digg' for CC audio, i might be interested... > > > > Anyone wanna gimme a hand? What do YOU think of this long-ass post? :) > > > > > > ;) > > > > Carlo From steve at hassard.net Thu Mar 9 18:05:35 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Thu Mar 9 18:15:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: <200603091347.32968.tito@rumford.de> References: <443B6F73@zathras> <20060309070328.GB3772@localhost> <200603091347.32968.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <4410B4BF.2070108@hassard.net> Wolfgang Woehl wrote: >> ATI chipsets are crap in any mode. ;-) > Crap in what way? Some of the boards have been having a double tick problem where the kernel ticks twice as fast. This was a kernel ACPI problem, not an ATI chipset one: http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=f9262c12c0084ddba445a9a42e98994018e51400 Also, some of the boards seem to have crappy ACPI implementations. A lot of the older RS480 boards and earlier seem to be affected. I've recently had a chance to play with three separate "current" generation ATI boards (RD480 chipset - Asus A8R-MVP + MSI RD480 Neo2, and RD580 chipsets - Asus A8R32-MVP) and all seem to work very well with linux when you take a few things into consideration: 1) You need a really recent kernel (2.6.16'ish). It'll have the fixed timer support, and the onboard Marvell NICs will actually work (recent fixes to the skge NIC, and inclusion of the sky2 module make things work). 2) Almost no distro includes the required kernel to get the board to work nicely. Expect a serious PITA when installing your distro. It's almost easier to install the distro on an older supported board, recompile a new 2.6.16 kernel for use with the board, replace the board, and boot the new kernel. If you pay attention to the above, you'll most likely have a really nicely running system. On the other hand, if you get an nvidia based board, almost everything should be supported out-of-the-box with current generation distros. later, Steve From rncbc at rncbc.org Thu Mar 9 18:27:12 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Thu Mar 9 18:28:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] No audio nor MIDI via USB (PlanetCCRMA/FC3/TASCAM US-122) In-Reply-To: <200603091706.05314.oscar@oveas.com> References: <200603091706.05314.oscar@oveas.com> Message-ID: <4410B9D0.90401@rncbc.org> Oscar wrote: > Dear fellow musicians, > > I'm trying to get my studio up and running with Rosegarden, but I can't get an > audio or MIDI signal in Rosegarden. > My distro is Fedora 3 with the Planet CCRMA kernel, and the latest versions > of JACK and Rosegarden. > I'm using a TASCAM US-122 Audio/MIDI-USB convertor. > > I've seen some earlier messages in this list about Rosegarden not showing up > in the "Readable Clients / Output ports" tab in QJackCtl; that's the same > with me, but not of the suggestions so far helped me. > > The TASCAM_X2Y shows up as readable and as writable client in MIDI, together > with MIDI Through-0. Rosegarden only as Writable. > > In the audio tab, I've got alsa_pcm and rosegarden at both sides, but the only > way I can get audio signal is by connecting the Tascam's Line-Out to my > soundcard's line-in :-( > It all looks like you're running jackd against your so-called soundcard, not your US-122. Take note of this fact, as is many often misunderstood: the MIDI features on QjackCtl are due to ALSA sequencer, not to JACK. JACK only deals with Audio, and that maps to one and only one soundcard at any one time. (ALSA sequencer may agregate all MIDI interfaces, at least the compliant ones, which almost are). If you start jackd for that one PCM interface, that's what you gonna get pictured on the Audio connections listings. No more no less. Truth is, you have make sure to run jackd against the proper usx2y hw interface. You have two choices: 1) hw:n,0 - regular ALSA backend interface; conservative choice. 2) hw:n,2 - one-of-a-kind ALSA/USX2Y (aka "rawusb") backend interface; astonishing low-latency performance in the whole USB 1.1 realm, second to nothing ;) only available iif you do modprobe snd-usb-usx2y nrpacks=1; Check which PCM audio device interface (hw:n) have you set on QjackCtl setup (the [>] button is your friend ;) Cheers -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From ce at christeck.de Thu Mar 9 18:35:11 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Thu Mar 9 18:35:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] usb midi device numbers In-Reply-To: <44108C8E.1060008@mur.at> References: <44108C8E.1060008@mur.at> Message-ID: <200603100035.11551.ce@christeck.de> > Is there a way to set the hot-pluggable device order in > /etc/alsa.conf? you want to edit /etc/modules.d/alsa or /etc/modules.conf directly (depending on your system configuration): vi /etc/modules.d/alsa alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0 alias snd-card-1 snd-intel8x0m alias snd-card-2 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-3 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-4 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-5 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-6 snd-usb-audio options snd-intel8x0 index=0 options snd-intel8x0m index=1 options snd-usb-audio index=2,3,4,5,6 vid=0x0582,0x0763,0x0763,0x0582,0x0ccd pid=0x0074,0x1033,0x0117,0x0009,0x0028 nrpacks=1 Best regards ce From ix at replic.net Thu Mar 9 18:37:58 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Thu Mar 9 18:38:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: <4410B4BF.2070108@hassard.net> References: <443B6F73@zathras> <20060309070328.GB3772@localhost> <200603091347.32968.tito@rumford.de> <4410B4BF.2070108@hassard.net> Message-ID: <20060309233758.GN2932@replic.net> On Thu Mar 09, 2006 at 03:05:35PM -0800, Stephen Hassard wrote: > Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > >>ATI chipsets are crap in any mode. ;-) > >Crap in what way? > 1) You need a really recent kernel (2.6.16'ish). It'll have the fixed > timer support, i think i still have to boot with -noapic on Linux a 2.6.16-rc4-git10 to avoid weird timer issues, random 'spurius interrupt - nobody cared' crap in dmesg and timer running about twice as fast > 2) Almost no distro includes the required kernel to get the board to > work nicely. Expect a serious PITA when installing your distro. It's the interrupts are so screwd that knoppix freezed every 2 seconds, for about 2 seconds, mouse and all. really was a hassle to get it setup with such interruptions to input and processing and networking. but it did eventually finish now the biggest problem by far is ATIs horrible video drivers. they barely work in 2d: distortion artifacts when the cursor nears the screen edge etc. unfortunately you need the fglrx binary/taint/driver-from-hell to have a working VGA port or openGL, at least for me with 8.22.2.whatever and a mobility X300 or R200 or something i wuld have definitely gotten an Nvidia chipset if i they had a small-form-factor Turion platform on the market. but all in all it works fine now, aside from video quirks (lots of apps will crash with 'bad_pixmap' type stuff, i cant use superkaramba, or anything that uses COMPOSITE for example, and forget about XGL/AIGLX) From ireneshusband at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 9 19:03:11 2006 From: ireneshusband at yahoo.co.uk (Robert Persson) Date: Thu Mar 9 19:02:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] netjack-0.7 build fails Message-ID: <200603091603.11610.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> I have just tried to build netjack-0.7 and failed. Here is what happened: zebedee netjack-0.7 # scons \ jack_source_dir=../jack-audio-connection-kit-0.99.0 scons: Reading SConscript files ... {'jack_source_dir': '../jack-audio-connection-kit-0.99.0'} scons: done reading SConscript files. scons: Building targets ... gcc -I../../ -I../../config -DPIC -D_REENTRANT -D_POSIX_PTHREAD_SEMANTICS -Wall -fPIC -I/usr/include/alsa -I/usr/local/src/jack-audio-connection-kit-0.99.0 -I/usr/local/src/jack-audio-connection-kit-0.99.0/config -c -o net_driver.os net_driver.c net_driver.c: In function `net_driver_run_cycle': net_driver.c:102: error: too many arguments to function scons: *** [net_driver.os] Error 1 scons: building terminated because of errors. What have I done wrong? Or am I just trying to do too much too soon? Cheers Robert -- Robert Persson Conspiracy Bears: Once upon a time there were lots of conspiracy bears... From carotinobg at yahoo.it Thu Mar 9 19:34:42 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Thu Mar 9 19:35:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: <20060309221906.348b64a7@localhost> References: <1b6a07c30603091337o1d50492eya134ac3e88bf4691@mail.gmail.com> <20060309221906.348b64a7@localhost> Message-ID: <200603100134.43007.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 23:19, gioved? 9 marzo 2006, Folderol ha scritto: > I also think it is a mistake to talk about 'free' music. There has been > a decades long campaign by commercial interests that anything free is > worthless. You can't fight that overnight and on a zero budget, so don't > try. Instead, talk about say, 'urban' music or maybe 'natural' music. > Give the suggestion that it's nothing new, and belongs to everyone > without using the dangerous 'free' word. Make it seem like a right. In > today's over-controlled world people are getting pretty uppety about > what they think are rights being denied them. We need an adjective that conveys all these positive feelings. It's all about words. This way, people can put their works under a collective name. But in my opinion, the "coolness" doesn't stay in the concept that it's free (to download? to share? where's the news? say this to an eMuler...). The coolest thing to communicate (and since this is a Linux Audio User I think you would all agree), is that music has been made with Linux, which is new, fresh, powerful, geeky, and so on. And, following the spirit of Linux, we share our music with the fresh and powerful Ogg, and with a fresh and powerful license. Linux is getting to the point of being usable out of the box, so it won't be any more a black art to make it work properly with realtime, jack etc. We need a cool flag behind which marching!:) ?????????!?????????!:) Ok, that's enough!:) Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From ireneshusband at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 9 19:39:40 2006 From: ireneshusband at yahoo.co.uk (Robert Persson) Date: Thu Mar 9 19:39:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alternative way of streaming from jack to another computer? Message-ID: <200603091639.40376.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> While we are waiting for the finishing touches to be put to netjack, I am looking for a way to stream audio from jack to another computer. The computer is an early G3 powerbook running Mac OS 10.3, which I often use to run remote X11 apps from my (relatively) fancy linux box when I'm in the wrong part of the house. I simply want to be able to receive audio from jack on the linux box so I can hear what I am doing. This is for rough work and general noodling, so latency is not a big issue. Nor is getting 32 bit 5 channel 48kHz with extra fancy bass, because that would be kind of lost on this particular powerbook. I suspect it may be something fairly simple that I need, something that may have been talked about several times before on this list. If so, sorry about that. I haven't managed to follow many threads in the last few months because of life and stuff. Many thanks Robert -- Robert Persson Conspiracy Bears: Once upon a time there were lots of conspiracy bears... From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 19:40:44 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Mar 9 19:40:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dj-ing hardware under Linux In-Reply-To: <20060309205539.9F1875C002D@webmail2.spymac.net> References: <20060309205539.9F1875C002D@webmail2.spymac.net> Message-ID: On 3/10/06, besnik@spymac.com wrote: > Hello, > > I apologize if this is not the right place to ask the question, but I'd like > to > know a little more about any real experience with dj-ing hardware (like > Hercules > dj console, an announced product from Behringer, PCDJ console, some other > product > from Stanton). > For instance, I can buy the Hercules' one for 116 Euros, but is there any > chance > to make that work under Linux? > > besnik > As far as djing hardware goes i'm very happy with my ecler hak 320, technics sl1200's and ortofon elektro needles. As far a computer dj stuff... why? What programs will you connect this up to? How? And what the hell are you going to do with it? If you want djing hardware for computer djing, try buying 2 griffin knobs http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/powermate/ nice, metal, actually feels like real equipment. Though really, YOU NEED A MIXER. No, you can't use one in a program. No. You can't. End of story. No mixer, in any software allows you to cue properly (listen to track not currently going to master in headphones) or have nice smooth eq/levels. To some up, YOU NEED A MIXER. I recommend a second hand ecler, smac or concept model. You can get them quite cheap. Any respectable brand second hand should be fine. I.e rodec, dataq, rane, etc. Djplay is the only mp3 dj prog i've found that is actually somewhat useable. I used it (plus turntables + mixer) at a gig a 1 1/2 years ago. http://djplay.sourceforge.net/ It supports herc mixer. Though really, buy second hand cheap turntables or cdj's and a decent mixer. Loki From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 19:50:18 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Mar 9 19:50:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: <200603100134.43007.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <1b6a07c30603091337o1d50492eya134ac3e88bf4691@mail.gmail.com> <20060309221906.348b64a7@localhost> <200603100134.43007.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: > Linux is getting to the point of being usable out of the box, so it won't be > any more a black art to make it work properly with realtime, jack etc. > We need a cool flag behind which marching!:) > > ?????????!?????????!:) > > Ok, that's enough!:) > > Carotinho > You've made learning russian totally worthwhile with that ;-) Aus Liebe zum Volk! From steve at hassard.net Thu Mar 9 20:29:55 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Thu Mar 9 20:30:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: <20060309233758.GN2932@replic.net> References: <443B6F73@zathras> <20060309070328.GB3772@localhost> <200603091347.32968.tito@rumford.de> <4410B4BF.2070108@hassard.net> <20060309233758.GN2932@replic.net> Message-ID: <1226.192.168.1.1.1141954195.squirrel@hassard.net> On Thu, March 9, 2006 15:37, cdr wrote: >>>> ATI chipsets are crap in any mode. ;-) >>> Crap in what way? >> 1) You need a really recent kernel (2.6.16'ish). It'll have the fixed >> timer support, > i think i still have to boot with -noapic on Linux a 2.6.16-rc4-git10 > to avoid weird timer issues, random 'spurius interrupt - nobody cared' > crap in dmesg and timer running about twice as fast The patch that I linked to went into 2.6.16-rc5-bk12 (yesterday's), so yeah, that's probably too old. ;) Even with this, one of the boards I have (RS482) is reporting periodic APIC errors, though this doesn't seem to affect the machine's stability. >> 2) Almost no distro includes the required kernel to get the board to >> work nicely. Expect a serious PITA when installing your distro. It's > the interrupts are so screwd that knoppix freezed every 2 seconds, for > about 2 seconds, mouse and all. really was a hassle to get it setup with > such interruptions to input and processing and networking. but it did > eventually finish Knoppix's kernel is probably much too old. You might want to try one of the livecd's from ubuntu's beta release and see how things work. > now the biggest problem by far is ATIs horrible video drivers. they > barely work in 2d: distortion artifacts when the cursor nears the screen > edge etc. unfortunately you need the fglrx binary/taint/driver-from-hell > to have a working VGA port or openGL, at least for me with > 8.22.2.whatever and a mobility X300 or R200 or something The X300 is now supported by the open source 'radeon' driver: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/radeon.4.html You'll need xorg 6.9 or 7.0 though, and you'll only get 2D support. Fortunately, it looks like basic 3d support is being worked on for the X?00 seriers cards. I've had some good luck with "regular" 2d support and my ATI X800XL, and the chipset built-in RS48x with this driver. > i wuld have definitely gotten an Nvidia chipset if i they had a > small-form-factor Turion platform on the market. but all in all it works > fine now, aside from video quirks (lots of apps will crash with > 'bad_pixmap' type stuff, i cant use superkaramba, or anything that uses > COMPOSITE for example, and forget about XGL/AIGLX) AMD's new dual-core turion line (supporting DDR2) is being launched soon. I'm pretty sure you'll see nvidia nforce 61x0 style laptops with it, since AMD has been seen demoing turion kits with "similar" configurations. It's always hard to tell what you'll see on the market when things finally come to light.. later, Steve From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 21:21:25 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Mar 9 21:21:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: <1226.192.168.1.1.1141954195.squirrel@hassard.net> References: <443B6F73@zathras> <20060309070328.GB3772@localhost> <200603091347.32968.tito@rumford.de> <4410B4BF.2070108@hassard.net> <20060309233758.GN2932@replic.net> <1226.192.168.1.1.1141954195.squirrel@hassard.net> Message-ID: On 3/10/06, Stephen Hassard wrote: > On Thu, March 9, 2006 15:37, cdr wrote: > >>>> ATI chipsets are crap in any mode. ;-) > >>> Crap in what way? > >> 1) You need a really recent kernel (2.6.16'ish). It'll have the fixed > >> timer support, > > i think i still have to boot with -noapic on Linux a 2.6.16-rc4-git10 > > to avoid weird timer issues, random 'spurius interrupt - nobody cared' > > crap in dmesg and timer running about twice as fast > > The patch that I linked to went into 2.6.16-rc5-bk12 (yesterday's), so > yeah, that's probably too old. ;) > > Even with this, one of the boards I have (RS482) is reporting periodic > APIC errors, though this doesn't seem to affect the machine's stability. > I get message like APIC error on CPU0: 00(40) sometimes in the log. Mandriva 2006 x86_64 installs fine on this machine, no boot params required or anything. However stability seems terrible. It totally locks up quite often. Memtest says ram is fine. I've heard this occurs with this board on windows/etc too. Not sure if it's just MSI's RS480 that is this bad or others as well. I currently don't use the nearly totally useless onboard graphic card at all. No dvi output, bad drivers and no 3d performance make it a much worse choice than a cheap nvidia card. Also temp/fan monitoring is a no go. All round, i'm certainly never touching anything made by them again, both ATI and MSI, though i'm not sure who's fault it is. Loki From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Mar 9 21:42:05 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Mar 9 21:42:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <443B6F73@zathras> <20060309070328.GB3772@localhost> <200603091347.32968.tito@rumford.de> <4410B4BF.2070108@hassard.net> <20060309233758.GN2932@replic.net> <1226.192.168.1.1.1141954195.squirrel@hassard.net> Message-ID: <1141958526.13319.111.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 13:21 +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > I get message like APIC error on CPU0: 00(40) sometimes in the log. > Mandriva 2006 x86_64 installs fine on this machine, no boot params > required or anything. However stability seems terrible. It totally > locks up quite often. Memtest says ram is fine. I've heard this occurs > with this board on windows/etc too. Not sure if it's just MSI's RS480 > that is this bad or others as well. I currently don't use the nearly > totally useless onboard graphic card at all. No dvi output, bad > drivers and no 3d performance make it a much worse choice than a cheap > nvidia card. Also temp/fan monitoring is a no go. All round, i'm > certainly never touching anything made by them again, both ATI and > MSI, though i'm not sure who's fault it is. I suspect the 32 bit drivers would be more stable than the 64 bit ones. I hope you guys are posting these in the kernel bugzilla or something. Search for your board in there, there are many bugs with patches that just need a tester. ACPI is such a pain in the ass and there are so many varieties of new hardware that bugzilla is the only reasonable way to track it. Really the problem is that vendors these days don't take the time to verify that their hardware is correct, they just ship it as soon as it seems to boot and run Windows. So the line between a hardware bug and a kernel bug gets blurry... Lee From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Mar 9 22:08:12 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Mar 9 22:04:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dj-ing hardware under Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20060309205539.9F1875C002D@webmail2.spymac.net> Message-ID: <1141960092.28481.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 11:40 +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > actually feels like real equipment. Though really, YOU NEED A MIXER. > No, you can't use one in a program. No. You can't. End of story. No > mixer, in any software allows you to cue properly (listen to track not > currently going to master in headphones) or have nice smooth > eq/levels. with all due respect, although you might not consider it the right tool for the task, ardour will allow precisely that, and via h/w control if you want it. you just need an audio interface with at least 4 outs. From ix at replic.net Thu Mar 9 22:25:03 2006 From: ix at replic.net (cdr) Date: Thu Mar 9 22:25:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <443B6F73@zathras> <20060309070328.GB3772@localhost> <200603091347.32968.tito@rumford.de> <4410B4BF.2070108@hassard.net> <20060309233758.GN2932@replic.net> <1226.192.168.1.1.1141954195.squirrel@hassard.net> Message-ID: <20060310032503.GP2932@replic.net> > required or anything. However stability seems terrible. It totally > locks up quite often. Memtest says ram is fine. I've heard this occurs > with this board on windows/etc too. Not sure if it's just MSI's RS480 im running a MSI RS480-based notebook, which is really unstable at 400mhz RAM speed. the issues went away when downclocking to 333.. whether this is MSI or ATIs fault, i dont realy know or care.. im quite happy with the MSI otherwise, they and ASUS are the only two companies serious about barebones notebooks, great way to not have a 256 MB module and 20mb 4200RPM hd sitting in your junkpile and bypass the 'Obligatory Windows Tax (sm)' > Also temp/fan monitoring is a no go. that works here, at least temp shows up in the ACPI thermal zone. but i guess if you had to disable ACPI features due to bugs, you might not get that.. i love how flashable firmwware enabled 'ship now, fix later', even for hardware :/ From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 9 23:47:59 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Thu Mar 9 23:48:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <20060310032503.GP2932@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060310044759.26500.qmail@web52602.mail.yahoo.com> Has anybody successfully compiled Free V-Amp? http://www.nongnu.org/freevamp/ -=cybersean3000=- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 9 23:54:20 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Thu Mar 9 23:54:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] configuring streaming music downloads in firefox In-Reply-To: <1141925994.13319.45.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060210092642.4A14159F8EE@music.columbia.edu> <440F364E.10703@sbcglobal.net> <20060309141853.GA24831@chicagoguitar.com> <20060309182752.58ba972c@mango.fruits> <1141925994.13319.45.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4411067C.4090408@sbcglobal.net> Lee Revell wrote: >On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 18:27 +0100, Florian Schmidt wrote: > > >>On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:18:53 -0600 >>jjbenham@chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham) wrote: >> >> >> >>>Well instead of downloading the mp3 choose open. Instead of choosing >>>Save. You can select open with. Then pull down the drop menu and choose >>>other. Then type in /usr/bin/xmms. More that likely if just doing open >>>with no setting will either already use xmms or it will use mpg123. I >>>have mplayerplugin installed. My mp3's tend to go to that. You can also >>>edit you /etc/mailcap or ~/.mailcap. The firefox can be set to always >>>perform this with this filetype and the popup dialog will no longer >>>appear for mp3. You can then change that behavior by going into >>>firefox's preferences. >>> >>> >>I think the problem is that with this mechanism firefox always dl's the >>mp3 first before playing it. THe OP wants to stream and at the same time >>save. >> >> > >I believe the mplayer-plugin does what you want. The version I have >still fails a lot (starts to buffer the file then just says "Stopped", >but I can right-click, save and play with gmplayer). > >Lee > > > > Thanks, Lee. the mplayer plugin works perfetly here ( so far), it plays files and then offers me a "save as" option when it's downloaded the whole stream. awesome. From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Mar 9 23:55:18 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Mar 9 23:55:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dj-ing hardware under Linux In-Reply-To: <1141960092.28481.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060309205539.9F1875C002D@webmail2.spymac.net> <1141960092.28481.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060310045517.GA18502@slinkp.com> On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 10:08:12PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 11:40 +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > actually feels like real equipment. Though really, YOU NEED A MIXER. > > No, you can't use one in a program. No. You can't. End of story. No > > mixer, in any software allows you to cue properly (listen to track not > > currently going to master in headphones) or have nice smooth > > eq/levels. > > with all due respect, although you might not consider it the right tool > for the task, ardour will allow precisely that, and via h/w control if > you want it. you just need an audio interface with at least 4 outs. I think it's largely a matter of physical UI. DJ mixers are really not complicated, but they are very well suited to the job they do. The one key feature is the crossfader. Without that, forget it. Ardour is of course more than flexible enough, but that's almost irrelevant. But hey, maybe one of these works with alsa's usb-audio driver? http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM05/Content/Numark/PR/DM950USB.html Or this with usb-midi? http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/XSession-main.html -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 10 00:09:42 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Fri Mar 10 00:09:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <20060310044759.26500.qmail@web52602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060310050942.24056.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> Nevermind. I installed gnome-core-devel and it compiled fine. --- Sean Edwards wrote: > Has anybody successfully compiled Free V-Amp? > > http://www.nongnu.org/freevamp/ > > -=cybersean3000=- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dana at ubuntustudio.com Fri Mar 10 00:11:09 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Fri Mar 10 00:11:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? Message-ID: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> Sean's email reminded me to ask if anyone knows of any Linux utilities to use with a Line6 POD or POD 2.0 for manipulating, saving, and loading settings? The pre-XT PODs don't have USB ports and the software available from Line6 is Java-based, but only for Mac and Windows. I have never reverse-engineered a file format before, and I wouldn't even know where to start, but there are lots of files available to download for the Line6 gear, and it would be nice to be able to use them. I'm not willing to install Windows to deal with it. Even if there was an app to just modify and load and save presets for just Linux users, it wouldn't have to inter-operate with existing files to be useful. You only have so many hardware preset slots to use, and remembering the settings is impossible. So, does anyone know if such a beast exists, or if anyone is working on one? Dana On 3/9/06, Sean Edwards wrote: > Has anybody successfully compiled Free V-Amp? > > http://www.nongnu.org/freevamp/ > > -=cybersean3000=- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 00:17:12 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Mar 10 00:17:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dj-ing hardware under Linux In-Reply-To: <20060310045517.GA18502@slinkp.com> References: <20060309205539.9F1875C002D@webmail2.spymac.net> <1141960092.28481.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060310045517.GA18502@slinkp.com> Message-ID: On 3/10/06, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 10:08:12PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 11:40 +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > > actually feels like real equipment. Though really, YOU NEED A MIXER. > > > No, you can't use one in a program. No. You can't. End of story. No > > > mixer, in any software allows you to cue properly (listen to track not > > > currently going to master in headphones) or have nice smooth > > > eq/levels. > > > > with all due respect, although you might not consider it the right tool > > for the task, ardour will allow precisely that, and via h/w control if > > you want it. you just need an audio interface with at least 4 outs. > > I think it's largely a matter of physical UI. DJ mixers are really not > complicated, but they are very well suited to the job they do. The one > key feature is the crossfader. Without that, forget it. > Ardour is of course more than flexible enough, but that's almost > irrelevant. > Truthfully, the crossfader thing is a myth. About the ui you are totally right though. In my now 6 years of djing i have never used a crossfader for a single mix, same as nearly all djs in my genres. However, nice smooth transitions are not possible without nice faders or knobs. If you had ardour connected up to some nice, long, smooth midi faders (with enough resolution) or nice knobs it could do the job well. I really mean you need something with hardware. The herc consoles look like crap plastic. Good cue mixing (easy to change FAST) smooth eqs and variable slope (if scratching and mixing) make this quite a challenging collection of knobs required. So either lots of expensive midi hardware or a tool actually for the job. My mixer is actually a turntablist mixer and looks like http://www.ecler.es/download/img_general_hak320.jpg but many djs dream mixer and certainly mine has no faders or crossfader at all. http://aes.harmony-central.com/113AES/Content/Allen_Heath/PR/Xone-V6-large.jpg mmm oh so sexy. ;-) The new urei is also without a crossfader and it's forbare was one of the most famous mixers ever. http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM05/Content/Soundcraft/PR/UREI-1620LE-lg.jpg Loki From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 00:20:42 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Mar 10 00:20:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: <1141958526.13319.111.camel@mindpipe> References: <443B6F73@zathras> <20060309070328.GB3772@localhost> <200603091347.32968.tito@rumford.de> <4410B4BF.2070108@hassard.net> <20060309233758.GN2932@replic.net> <1226.192.168.1.1.1141954195.squirrel@hassard.net> <1141958526.13319.111.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 3/10/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 13:21 +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > I get message like APIC error on CPU0: 00(40) sometimes in the log. > > Mandriva 2006 x86_64 installs fine on this machine, no boot params > > required or anything. However stability seems terrible. It totally > > locks up quite often. Memtest says ram is fine. I've heard this occurs > > with this board on windows/etc too. Not sure if it's just MSI's RS480 > > that is this bad or others as well. I currently don't use the nearly > > totally useless onboard graphic card at all. No dvi output, bad > > drivers and no 3d performance make it a much worse choice than a cheap > > nvidia card. Also temp/fan monitoring is a no go. All round, i'm > > certainly never touching anything made by them again, both ATI and > > MSI, though i'm not sure who's fault it is. > > I suspect the 32 bit drivers would be more stable than the 64 bit ones. > > I hope you guys are posting these in the kernel bugzilla or something. > Search for your board in there, there are many bugs with patches that > just need a tester. ACPI is such a pain in the ass and there are so > many varieties of new hardware that bugzilla is the only reasonable way > to track it. > > Really the problem is that vendors these days don't take the time to > verify that their hardware is correct, they just ship it as soon as it > seems to boot and run Windows. So the line between a hardware bug and a > kernel bug gets blurry... > > Lee > I haven't looked into it to much because i've heard the board is bad with any OS. I.e just not a good board ;-) I'm planning on getting rid of it when i get a job (hopefully soon). Loki From cybersean3000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 10 00:29:55 2006 From: cybersean3000 at yahoo.com (Sean Edwards) Date: Fri Mar 10 00:30:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060310052955.33861.qmail@web52612.mail.yahoo.com> Are you sure it is for only Mac and Windows? What is the required Java version? If the minimum Java version required is older than 1.4.2, it could be the limitation is related a Java MIDI provider. If this is the case, then Java 1.4.2 or newer may work; javax.media.sound.midi was finally fixed in 1.4.2. --- Dana Olson wrote: > Sean's email reminded me to ask if anyone knows of > any Linux utilities > to use with a Line6 POD or POD 2.0 for manipulating, > saving, and > loading settings? > > The pre-XT PODs don't have USB ports and the > software available from > Line6 is Java-based, but only for Mac and Windows. > > I have never reverse-engineered a file format > before, and I wouldn't > even know where to start, but there are lots of > files available to > download for the Line6 gear, and it would be nice to > be able to use > them. I'm not willing to install Windows to deal > with it. > > Even if there was an app to just modify and load and > save presets for > just Linux users, it wouldn't have to inter-operate > with existing > files to be useful. You only have so many hardware > preset slots to > use, and remembering the settings is impossible. > > So, does anyone know if such a beast exists, or if > anyone is working on one? > > Dana > > > > On 3/9/06, Sean Edwards > wrote: > > Has anybody successfully compiled Free V-Amp? > > > > http://www.nongnu.org/freevamp/ > > > > -=cybersean3000=- > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gateswideopen at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 00:31:53 2006 From: gateswideopen at gmail.com (we are) Date: Fri Mar 10 00:31:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp pcmcia issues, again... In-Reply-To: <1141881212.13319.11.camel@mindpipe> References: <443B6F73@zathras> <5969dc560603071827y4f595d50m28b85020c1b768b5@mail.gmail.com> <1141785329.7625.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5969dc560603071841k21ea16d5w64065e76c571c7d9@mail.gmail.com> <1141785878.767.142.camel@mindpipe> <1141786246.7625.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1141881212.13319.11.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5969dc560603092131m375cdee6r4e612dfcbdc733de@mail.gmail.com> thanks for your interest Lee. at this stage i am keen for any suggestions possible. i'm not quite sure just yet how to see if this bug is related to me. if there is a way to check i would be very interested to know. i will look into over the next couple of days. but all that aside, i have sent out an SOS to as many parties as possible and waiting on replies. still stuck, and as of a result, resulting to windows..... yuk! cheers tom On 3/9/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 21:50 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 21:44 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 13:41 +1100, we are wrote: > > > > is there someone who could show me away to get these hexdumps/WPCREDIT > > > > output looking (and/or) functioning the same? or is this not the > > > > problem.... > > > > > > > > > > This is almost certainly not the problem. > > > > actually lee, it stands a pretty reasonable chance of being the problem. > > it bit ico and me quite hard, although to be fair, it appeared to be > > fixed (at least for my cardbus bridge) in the mid-stream 2.6 kernel > > series. > > > > however, i think dwayne holsbeck raises some other good issues too. > > > > Can you guys look at this bug: > > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5736 > > Could it be the same issue? Maybe you could try to narrow it down, the > bug report mentions a single commit that they think could be the cause. > > Lee > > From renatoftato at yahoo.com Fri Mar 10 01:12:06 2006 From: renatoftato at yahoo.com (Renato Fabbri) Date: Fri Mar 10 01:12:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dj-ing hardware under Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060310061206.69968.qmail@web52313.mail.yahoo.com> > However, nice smooth transitions are not possible > without nice faders > or knobs. If you had ardour connected up to some > nice, long, smooth > midi faders (with enough resolution) or nice knobs > it could do the job > well. Can??t there be a PD processing with a "line" (or "line~") object with a jack routing to ardour to make a standard 127 resolution midi knob or fader work well? Maybe a electro bubble gum in the usb does it. I am the one that dont have a clue about it. ref __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dana at ubuntustudio.com Fri Mar 10 01:21:12 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Fri Mar 10 01:21:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <20060310052955.33861.qmail@web52612.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> <20060310052955.33861.qmail@web52612.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30603092221k6de23a15r491bf5b08efac5fe@mail.gmail.com> On 3/10/06, Sean Edwards wrote: > --- Dana Olson wrote: > > > Sean's email reminded me to ask if anyone knows of > > any Linux utilities > > to use with a Line6 POD or POD 2.0 for manipulating, > > saving, and > > loading settings? > > > > The pre-XT PODs don't have USB ports and the > > software available from > > Line6 is Java-based, but only for Mac and Windows. > > > > I have never reverse-engineered a file format > > before, and I wouldn't > > even know where to start, but there are lots of > > files available to > > download for the Line6 gear, and it would be nice to > > be able to use > > them. I'm not willing to install Windows to deal > > with it. > > > > Even if there was an app to just modify and load and > > save presets for > > just Linux users, it wouldn't have to inter-operate > > with existing > > files to be useful. You only have so many hardware > > preset slots to > > use, and remembering the settings is impossible. > > > > So, does anyone know if such a beast exists, or if > > anyone is working on one? > > > > Dana > > Are you sure it is for only Mac and Windows? What is > the required Java version? If the minimum Java > version required is older than 1.4.2, it could be the > limitation is related a Java MIDI provider. If this > is the case, then Java 1.4.2 or newer may work; > javax.media.sound.midi was finally fixed in 1.4.2. > I just downloaded and extracted (with Wine, which I didn't realize I had installed.. but anyhow). dana@polly:~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Line6/Line 6 Edit$ java -jar Line\ 6\ Edit.jar Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: libL6MIDIJava: libL6MIDIJava.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory at java.lang.Runtime._load (libgcj.so.7) at java.lang.Runtime.loadLibrary (libgcj.so.7) at java.lang.System.loadLibrary (libgcj.so.7) at com.line6.l6midijava.L6MIDIJava. (L6MIDIJava.java:75) at java.lang.Class.initializeClass (libgcj.so.7) at Line6Edit.Launch (Line6Edit.java:1899) at Line6Edit.main (Line6Edit.java:1894) So I installed Sun's Java, and this is what I get: dana@polly:~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Line6/Line 6 Edit$ java -jar Line\ 6\ Edit.jar Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no L6MIDIJava in java.library.path at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary(Unknown Source) at java.lang.Runtime.loadLibrary0(Unknown Source) at java.lang.System.loadLibrary(Unknown Source) at com.line6.l6midijava.L6MIDIJava.(L6MIDIJava.java:74) at Line6Edit.Launch(Line6Edit.java:1905) at Line6Edit.main(Line6Edit.java:1893) So, looks to me like they're using their own DLL (shipped with the Windows installer) and whatever Mac uses. Back a ways, the main Hydrogen developer was going to work on trying to hack something together, but I pinged him recently about it and he hasn't had time, and likely won't. It's too bad, because this device is really great, and I know a few Linux users would benefit from an app like this for the POD. I might try hacking something together, but I have a lot to learn, starting with C/C++. :P Dana From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri Mar 10 01:21:50 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri Mar 10 01:22:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dj-ing hardware under Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20060309205539.9F1875C002D@webmail2.spymac.net> <1141960092.28481.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060310045517.GA18502@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20060310062150.GB19111@slinkp.com> On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 04:17:12PM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > Truthfully, the crossfader thing is a myth. About the ui you are > totally right though. In my now 6 years of djing i have never used a > crossfader for a single mix, same as nearly all djs in my genres. > However, nice smooth transitions are not possible without nice faders > or knobs. Interesting! Maybe it's a genre thing. What do you play? I'm not a DJ, but the hip-hop guys I've watched do things that look to be impossible without a crossfader. House and Trance, though, don't seem to require any really crazy fader moves as far as I can tell. Just rock-solid tempo matching and invisibly smooth transitions. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Mar 10 01:46:47 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Mar 10 01:47:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141973208.19759.1.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 00:11 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > Sean's email reminded me to ask if anyone knows of any Linux utilities > to use with a Line6 POD or POD 2.0 for manipulating, saving, and > loading settings? > Have you seen this? http://www.tanzband-scream.at/line6 Lee From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 01:51:30 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Mar 10 01:51:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dj-ing hardware under Linux In-Reply-To: <20060310062150.GB19111@slinkp.com> References: <20060309205539.9F1875C002D@webmail2.spymac.net> <1141960092.28481.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060310045517.GA18502@slinkp.com> <20060310062150.GB19111@slinkp.com> Message-ID: On 3/10/06, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 04:17:12PM +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > Truthfully, the crossfader thing is a myth. About the ui you are > > totally right though. In my now 6 years of djing i have never used a > > crossfader for a single mix, same as nearly all djs in my genres. > > However, nice smooth transitions are not possible without nice faders > > or knobs. > > Interesting! Maybe it's a genre thing. What do you play? > I'm not a DJ, but the hip-hop guys I've watched do things that > look to be impossible without a crossfader. > > House and Trance, though, don't seem to require any really crazy fader > moves as far as I can tell. Just rock-solid tempo matching and > invisibly smooth transitions. > It's a genre thing. hiphop guys need a crossfader for the cuts/scratches etc. You need smoothness for other generes. I play prog (as in progressive house), breaks, some deep house and sometimes when i'm annoyed techno. Mostly prog and breaks though. For prog being really smooth is important. Stuff like Matthew dekay, hybrid, steve lawler, nick warren, g-pal, john creamer and stephane k, etc. Big fan of the more dirty tribal stuff. Breaks dj's are often in either camp when it comes to scratch style mixer or rotary style mixer. As both slow and fast transitions are needed. Trance and to some extent prog requires a lot of key mixing i.e layering keys nicely together. Loki From dana at ubuntustudio.com Fri Mar 10 01:56:22 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Fri Mar 10 01:56:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <1141973208.19759.1.camel@mindpipe> References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> <1141973208.19759.1.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30603092256p42515419mef843c7a55816d3@mail.gmail.com> On 3/10/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 00:11 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > Sean's email reminded me to ask if anyone knows of any Linux utilities > > to use with a Line6 POD or POD 2.0 for manipulating, saving, and > > loading settings? > > > > Have you seen this? > > http://www.tanzband-scream.at/line6 > > Lee Yes, but unfortunately I don't have a POD xt. The POD 2.0 doesn't have USB either. I just requested Linux support from Line6 here: http://line6.com/company/contact/productFeedback/?topicSelected=3 Dana From dana at ubuntustudio.com Fri Mar 10 02:25:30 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Fri Mar 10 02:25:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30603092256p42515419mef843c7a55816d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> <1141973208.19759.1.camel@mindpipe> <1b6a07c30603092256p42515419mef843c7a55816d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30603092325k2daac753wd21fa4b906d8248c@mail.gmail.com> On 3/10/06, Dana Olson wrote: > On 3/10/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 00:11 -0500, Dana Olson wrote: > > > Sean's email reminded me to ask if anyone knows of any Linux utilities > > > to use with a Line6 POD or POD 2.0 for manipulating, saving, and > > > loading settings? > > > > > > > Have you seen this? > > > > http://www.tanzband-scream.at/line6 > > > > Lee > > Yes, but unfortunately I don't have a POD xt. The POD 2.0 doesn't have > USB either. > > I just requested Linux support from Line6 here: > http://line6.com/company/contact/productFeedback/?topicSelected=3 > > Dana > A small glimmer of hope! http://www.squash-ligue.gf/podgui/podgui.php I'll let you know if it works.. Dana From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Mar 10 03:03:57 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Mar 10 03:05:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: References: <1b6a07c30603091337o1d50492eya134ac3e88bf4691@mail.gmail.com> <20060309221906.348b64a7@localhost> <200603100134.43007.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: >>?????????!?????????!:) All right I guess I'm gonna have to add one to that one... ? ????? ?????? ????. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Mar 10 03:20:05 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Mar 10 03:20:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: <20060309222735.GL2932@replic.net> References: <444E847A@zathras> <20060309222735.GL2932@replic.net> Message-ID: Sup Cdr! > i tend do disagree. since when i buy a CD i have a nice backup copy, ,and the artwork. its amazing that apple has sold 1 billion lossy tunes without a hardbackup, and then integrated all sorts of 'make the user orphan/lose their music' defaults into itunes and their policy. and all this along with selling a player without FM radio (since they could get the music for 'free' that way) this is what we're up against... Given your nickname, you would now, wouldn't you :) Seriously, the whole point is not what anyone (including you) considers true now, but what we WANT people to consider true in order to benefit our movement. Of course, if you take a rational standpoint, physical CDs have their strengths and weaknesses, and downloadable music has their strenghts and weaknessess. But we're not taking a rational standpoint now, we're taking a marketing standpoint. And all that matters from this perspective is that we CAUSE people to believe what is beneficial to US. (In other words, is beneficial to society, from our unique perspective). >From this standpoint: Downloadable music from the freemusic network is superior to CDs. Downloadable music from the freemusic network is superior to CDs. Downloadable music from the freemusic network is superior to CDs. Believing it yet? ;) > ideally id like to not have to think about downloading it. for ex maybe i can just dedicate 20GB of my HD and 20% of upstream bandwidth to some kind of 'freenet' backend to a CC music database.. then i dont have to deal with curating a collection, but know i can still listen to disheled_mutt-a-0-2932-1266.ogg even when disheveledmutt.net is down, yagetme? Freemusic servers are never down. There is beautiful artwork and liner notes on our shiny, beautiful, extremely cool web sites. We promise to never take down our music (or to put it back up when the public demands). There is no need for a backup, WE are your backup. We are infinetly cooler to anything of the corporate ass-wipes that put out CD music. You don't like CD music. You like downloadable freemusic. You look for the OGG Vorbis freemusic logo before listening. >>>"The OGG Vorbis file format is a sign of quality." > the logo should be some kind of upright shiny egg, with maybe a crack or two in it and some red stuff inside (obligatory Turing nod) Let's make a contest! Submissions? I suck at designing. I tried to make a logo but it sucked. Maybe if I try again. Keep in mind the logo must be 'cool'. Appealing. >>>"Music that costs something is worthless." > > it is pretty disappointing that the only way i CAN pay for the music i want is buy the CDs one at a time as they come out, and pay their price again in shipping to order from a few boutique stores in London, since the incumbent music industry seems to have forgotten anything it ever knew about artistic diversity or a&R That is false. There is way more free music downloadable on-line than could fit into any record shop. If a music salesperson charges you up-front he is a rip-off and a fraud. You want nothing to do with him. You want to download the music up front. You WANT to donate as much as you possibly can when you have done so. >>>"You are under a moral obligation to donate when you download music >>>for free and listen to it regularly." > > > says who. g-d? i disagree You are under a moral obligation to donate when you download music for free and listen to it regularly. You are under a moral obligation to donate when you download music for free and listen to it regularly. You are under a moral obligation to donate when you download music for free and listen to it regularly. You are under a moral obligation to donate when you download music for free and listen to it regularly. You are under a moral obligation to donate when you download music for free and listen to it regularly. Believing it yet? I'll buy you a beer if you read that 100 times every day for a week :) >>>OGG Vorbis needs a logo. "VORBIS Seal of quality." Kind of like 'Intel >>>Inside'. People don't exactly know what this 'Intel' is that is inside >>>but simply assume they need it. People don't know exactly what this >>>'VORBIS' is but assume it stands for freedom, love, good feelings... > > > yeah. we can wrap up all sorts of positive emotions into a logo and then sell it to people for huge margins, then stop worrying about how to make money since our society will be replaced with one that runs on pure emotion and compassion. how about we callit the UTOPIA initiative? You are a positive thinker. You are a positive thinker. You believe in yourself. You believe in yourself. You can make a difference. You can make a difference. >>>I believe the best 'brand' and 'credible authority figure' we can create >>>is simply 'Free Music'. > > > if i had money, id think about buying some of the music i have on my hd, but it would be pretty much impossible to track down more than 5% of it. so this is more or less why i mainly support free music., the other option is difficult, and inaffordable,. > im pretty sure archive.org is what you describe. its also filled with crap. i like the servicse that middlemen like pirate radio, DJs, and mp3 release group 'brand names' provide. sifting thru the crap is a fulltime job. if you want to get started on some kind of 'digg' for CC audio, i might be interested... This thought is slowly disappearing from your mind. You know that archive.org is filled with amazingly beautiful music and you will from now on look only in the right places. You like free music. You adore free music. Free music is the only kind that exists. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Mar 10 03:23:41 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Mar 10 03:30:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: <444E847A@zathras> References: <444E847A@zathras> Message-ID: > I think that you have presented a couple valid points. This motion, however, > is something that will be only as successful as community wants it to be. > FWIW, we could talk about incorporating your idea into the Linuxaudio.org > mission as long as the two remain within the same scope. This way we the two > could mutually benefit and in the long-run through exposure encourage others > to adopt similar (or preferably same) strategy. Sup Ico! I would absolutely LOVE to integrate this one with linuxaudio.org. The more integrated the more powerful. This thing will be, as all free movements, a matter of network effects. The more sites with the free music logo and working the free music way, the better! The more support, the better! Thanks! Carlo From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Mar 10 03:39:58 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Mar 10 03:40:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] No audio nor MIDI via USB (PlanetCCRMA/FC3/TASCAM US-122) In-Reply-To: <200603091706.05314.oscar@oveas.com> References: <200603091706.05314.oscar@oveas.com> Message-ID: <20060310083958.GE10971@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Oscar wrote: > # lsusb > Bus 003 Device 006: ID 1604:8007 Tascam US-122 Audio/Midi Interface > Bus 003 Device 002: ID 058f:9254 Alcor Micro Corp. Hub Please note that even the latest kernel may have some bandwidth problems (not related to the setting of CONFIG_USB_BANDWIDTH) when accessing USB 1.x audio devices (like the US-122) through a USB 2.0 hub. Clemens From dana at ubuntustudio.com Fri Mar 10 03:49:20 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Fri Mar 10 03:49:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: References: <444E847A@zathras> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30603100049w4a78c6fbja6601237cce1438c@mail.gmail.com> On 3/10/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > I think that you have presented a couple valid points. This motion, however, > > is something that will be only as successful as community wants it to be. > > FWIW, we could talk about incorporating your idea into the Linuxaudio.org > > mission as long as the two remain within the same scope. This way we the two > > could mutually benefit and in the long-run through exposure encourage others > > to adopt similar (or preferably same) strategy. > > Sup Ico! I would absolutely LOVE to integrate this one with > linuxaudio.org. The more integrated the more powerful. This thing will > be, as all free movements, a matter of network effects. The more sites > with the free music logo and working the free music way, the better! The > more support, the better! Thanks! > > Carlo Let's get started! I am ready... Are you? My design skills suck, and I can't even do SVG stuff in Inkscape or whatever, so there goes my idea of using SVG, oh well. I'll do a hi-res idea in Gimp... My skills are crap, as I said, but I think we should indeed have a competition and have votes of some kind to see what everyone thinks about each submission. BTW, Digg for music would be cool! I don't know that Digg's source is available, but it sure would be easily adaptable, I think. We'd still need a big host for it though. Dana From doj at cubic.org Fri Mar 10 03:52:17 2006 From: doj at cubic.org (Dirk Jagdmann) Date: Fri Mar 10 03:52:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44113E41.9050608@cubic.org> > So, does anyone know if such a beast exists, or if anyone is working on one? I'm working on a QT version of such a program. I haven't released anything yet, as not all features I'd like it to have are working yet. From a first look at podgui I assume it is similar to my attempt. -- ---> Dirk Jagdmann ^ doj / cubic ----> http://cubic.org/~doj -----> http://llg.cubic.org From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Mar 10 03:52:11 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Mar 10 03:52:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: <200603100134.43007.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <1b6a07c30603091337o1d50492eya134ac3e88bf4691@mail.gmail.com> <20060309221906.348b64a7@localhost> <200603100134.43007.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: Carotinho schrieb: > Hi! > > Alle 23:19, gioved? 9 marzo 2006, Folderol ha scritto: > >>I also think it is a mistake to talk about 'free' music. There has been >>a decades long campaign by commercial interests that anything free is >>worthless. You can't fight that overnight and on a zero budget, so don't >>try. Instead, talk about say, 'urban' music or maybe 'natural' music. >>Give the suggestion that it's nothing new, and belongs to everyone >>without using the dangerous 'free' word. Make it seem like a right. In >>today's over-controlled world people are getting pretty uppety about >>what they think are rights being denied them. Well, I DO think we need to counter that. We need to create a grassroots campaign saying that anything that is NOT free is worthless. I believe that this is possible... Does the word 'big dump company' mean anything to you? Some silicon valley entrepreneurs coined that one and what they're saying is that big companies have a lot of ooze, but are NOT agile, and would DIE without startups to do the innovation for them. I say 'never underestimate your own power' and I would say we go precisely for that... As for free software I know of plenty of university people who said 'software that costs something is worthless', and that's where I got the idea in the first place :) We can, we can, we can, we can, we can. Why? BECAUSE stuff you get on a budget is worthless, and stuff you get for free (for our campaign) is worth something. Nah, I'm not for 'urban music'... I think rednecks need free music too. I'm not for 'natural' music... My music is about as synthetic as you're going to get. I say let's jump on the bandwagon and go free... It's a big risk, but only with big risks are big gains! This guy http://www.paulgraham.com/wealth.html if you will scroll down about to the center explains it niceley when he says 'do things that are hard, just because they are hard, so it is difficult for competition (=commercial world) to follow. Also, from a spiritual perspective, if we care in the least about what commercial world does and take it as a reason to bow, we are affirming that we are powerless to the commercial world, which is NOT what we want to do. Do you think free software would exist if Richard Stallman had thought 'Oh well I'll not call it free software because then I will have a hard time versus the software companies' no. Richard Stallman took the software companies DEAD ON, and he's winning. WE CAN AND WE WILL. Record companies are now useless, corrupted folk and must be replaced. By whom if not us? I say: Free Music. > We need an adjective that conveys all these positive feelings. It's all about > words. This way, people can put their works under a collective name. But in > my opinion, the "coolness" doesn't stay in the concept that it's free (to > download? to share? where's the news? say this to an eMuler...). The coolest > thing to communicate (and since this is a Linux Audio User I think you would > all agree), is that music has been made with Linux, which is new, fresh, > powerful, geeky, and so on. And, following the spirit of Linux, we share our > music with the fresh and powerful Ogg, and with a fresh and powerful license. > Linux is getting to the point of being usable out of the box, so it won't be > any more a black art to make it work properly with realtime, jack etc. I say we need two concepts here: A broad label to promote the idea of free music, and that tipping is a good thing to do, and a second to promote the geek stuff as cool and make Richard Stallman the next teen idol. I say we promote geek, but don't make it obligatory so non geeks can share a tad of our fame :) > We need a cool flag behind which marching!:) Well, personally I believe we should just make the flag and leave the marching to others :) Making music doesn't leave an awful lot of time for marching... ;) URGH, okay honestly formulated when I hear to word 'march' I puke. Maybe that's just me but I perceive the letting people march our way rather then their way as something intermediate until people start to think themselves... But if you happen to like marching feel free to lead the mob! No court-marshals though. Carlo From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Mar 10 03:42:32 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Mar 10 03:59:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] usb midi device numbers In-Reply-To: <200603100035.11551.ce@christeck.de> References: <44108C8E.1060008@mur.at> <200603100035.11551.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20060310084232.GF10971@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Christoph Eckert wrote: > options snd-usb-audio index=2,3,4,5,6 > vid=0x0582,0x0763,0x0763,0x0582,0x0ccd > pid=0x0074,0x1033,0x0117,0x0009,0x0028 nrpacks=1 All these options must be on one line. You don't need to set the vid/pid parameters unless you have more than one USB audio device. HTH Clemens From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Mar 10 03:54:32 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Mar 10 04:00:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30603091337o1d50492eya134ac3e88bf4691@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6a07c30603091337o1d50492eya134ac3e88bf4691@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I read your whole post, but I think I forgot part of it already.. ;) That's fine I did too when I was writing it :) But you've got a subconscious mind the information will leap out from when you need it... > Anyhow, I've been thinking a lot lately about removing the MP3s from > my own website and leaving only the Oggs, but I think I'd rather have > some great logos and information to promote it before - the timing > would be right then. YES YES YES! Do it! > My suggestion would be to make any kinds of logos and things like that > in SVG form, with a transparent background, as bands have different > color schemes or button/banner schemes, etc. and it should really be > fairly flexible. For example, if I have a black background, perhaps a > white background for an "Ogg Rocks" logo would feel out of place, or > whatnot. I say SVG because I like to have my images at certain sizes, > and SVG is ideal for that. But these are just suggestions and I might > not really know what I'm talking about. Agree whole-heartedly. We can create nice PNGs for the web sites in an automated way FROM the SVGs, but we can also post the SVGs on buildings in five meter letters if we want to :) > Either way, I'm really interested in supporting an initiative like > this, even if my music isn't great and I have all of 3 fans. :) Three fans???? Diva! Carlo From dana at ubuntustudio.com Fri Mar 10 04:12:01 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Fri Mar 10 04:12:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <44113E41.9050608@cubic.org> References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> <44113E41.9050608@cubic.org> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30603100112g1f617400q7526c578d669426@mail.gmail.com> On 3/10/06, Dirk Jagdmann wrote: > > So, does anyone know if such a beast exists, or if anyone is working on one? > > I'm working on a QT version of such a program. I haven't released > anything yet, as not all features I'd like it to have are working yet. > From a first look at podgui I assume it is similar to my attempt. > > -- > ---> Dirk Jagdmann ^ doj / cubic > ----> http://cubic.org/~doj > -----> http://llg.cubic.org How could it not be similar? :) This is just a few Wish Tcl scripts, but they actually do work. Well, sorta. It can read some settings in realtime from the POD, and some only after you manually click Read POD. It can change the mode to Tuner or Manual, change patch Names, and it can Save settings on the POD. It detects when you modify anything on the POD. But what it doesn't appear to do is allow me to tweak the settings and have it change it on the POD. It's supposed to work, but it doesn't. I emailed the author already. This is a very good attempt, and if it can be perfect for what I need, if it could change the settings on the POD (some features aren't controllable on the POD unit itself, as I'm sure you know). There is a bit of a workaround, it appears... Set up the settings how you want on the POD, then Save... the settings to a sysex file. Then Open... the file up again, and your POD will light up EDITED. Save POD, and it's set. But it doesn't work for the software-only features, such as reverb type. --- Anyhow, how close is your app to being done? The author of this app hasn't done anything since May last year, so I'm not sure he'll be responsive to me... I might look at the code and see what I can figure out... But if you're close, I would be willing to test it and give you feedback too. I would like to start coding on something, and I haven't yet decided what. I've been wanting an app like this for a while, and last I searched I found nothing, but tonight my luck seems to have changed for the better. You can email me off-list if you like. Dana From dana at ubuntustudio.com Fri Mar 10 04:15:45 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Fri Mar 10 04:15:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: References: <1b6a07c30603091337o1d50492eya134ac3e88bf4691@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30603100115l1d144da8lab1216095c78fcac@mail.gmail.com> > > Anyhow, I've been thinking a lot lately about removing the MP3s from > > my own website and leaving only the Oggs, but I think I'd rather have > > some great logos and information to promote it before - the timing > > would be right then. > > YES YES YES! Do it! I will, but I need a logo first! > > My suggestion would be to make any kinds of logos and things like that > > in SVG form, with a transparent background, as bands have different > > color schemes or button/banner schemes, etc. and it should really be > > fairly flexible. For example, if I have a black background, perhaps a > > white background for an "Ogg Rocks" logo would feel out of place, or > > whatnot. I say SVG because I like to have my images at certain sizes, > > and SVG is ideal for that. But these are just suggestions and I might > > not really know what I'm talking about. > > Agree whole-heartedly. We can create nice PNGs for the web sites in an > automated way FROM the SVGs, but we can also post the SVGs on buildings > in five meter letters if we want to :) That was my thoughts. :) > > Either way, I'm really interested in supporting an initiative like > > this, even if my music isn't great and I have all of 3 fans. :) > > Three fans???? Diva! Diva?! Dana is my middle name. My first name is Arnold. I go by my middle name because my parents were on crack and yeah, whatever. I know we're a little behind now, but Carlo, this is still fitting: http://offload1.icculus.org/~dolson/images/clover_16.jpg :D Dana - ahem, ARNOLD. From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Mar 10 04:20:47 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Mar 10 04:20:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: <20060309221906.348b64a7@localhost> References: <1b6a07c30603091337o1d50492eya134ac3e88bf4691@mail.gmail.com> <20060309221906.348b64a7@localhost> Message-ID: <441144EF.4090909@poeticstudios.com> I'm surprised that most of the possibilities offered by these new technologies and media are used just by a very limited bunch of underground artists. Here's how I see it: - I'm confident that printed cds are dying anyway and that mainstream music will go in the iTunes direction. BTW, why iTunes has a lot of success? The answer is fashion. iPods are trendy, and people link buying music from iTunes to the whole iPod experience. Sad but true. - For independent artists and bands publishing their music on the web is the way to go, here are the plus: * Cheap, virtually free of costs. * You can publish unfinished versions, you can make your fans hear the process of the creation of a track * Let's say that you've made a better version of an already published track (even one included in an album). If you've published it on the web, you can swap the old version of the track with the newer one, instantly. There's no reason to wait years for a rerelease of the album. Or you can put both on-line and the listener can chose which one he/she prefers. * No need for the physical medium but also no need to backup your music. You can go to the artist's website and download the music anytime you want. * True artistic freedom (the most important IMHO). Nobody else decide if and what to publish, but the artist. * Instant releases. As soon as the track or the album is finished. Or even before (the work in progress). * Out of print doesn't make sense anymore. * No (or at least less) pollution (this is and will be even more important in the next few years) * Zero costs means also the freedom to publish more music. * You've made a typo in the liner notes? No need to wait for a rerelease to correct the typo. * You're no longer fond of that guitar solo or your vocals on a track? Rerecord them and swap the tracks instantly. Just my two cents, but I believe that 'free' is not the best adjective for this. I define myself a 'web releasing musician'. But thousands of artists on the web are already doing the things described above. Anyway, what do you think of 'web released music'? c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Mar 10 04:37:21 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Mar 10 04:37:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30603100049w4a78c6fbja6601237cce1438c@mail.gmail.com> References: <444E847A@zathras> <1b6a07c30603100049w4a78c6fbja6601237cce1438c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <441148D1.1010903@poeticstudios.com> Dana Olson wrote: >On 3/10/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > >>>I think that you have presented a couple valid points. This motion, however, >>>is something that will be only as successful as community wants it to be. >>>FWIW, we could talk about incorporating your idea into the Linuxaudio.org >>>mission as long as the two remain within the same scope. This way we the two >>>could mutually benefit and in the long-run through exposure encourage others >>>to adopt similar (or preferably same) strategy. >>> >>> >>Sup Ico! I would absolutely LOVE to integrate this one with >>linuxaudio.org. The more integrated the more powerful. This thing will >>be, as all free movements, a matter of network effects. The more sites >>with the free music logo and working the free music way, the better! The >>more support, the better! Thanks! >> >>Carlo >> >> > > >Let's get started! I am ready... Are you? > >My design skills suck, and I can't even do SVG stuff in Inkscape or >whatever, so there goes my idea of using SVG, oh well. I'll do a >hi-res idea in Gimp... My skills are crap, as I said, but I think we >should indeed have a competition and have votes of some kind to see >what everyone thinks about each submission. > >BTW, >Digg for music would be cool! I don't know that Digg's source is >available, but it sure would be easily adaptable, I think. We'd still >need a big host for it though. > >Dana > > > > Dana, I don't believe that emphasizing the ogg choice is as important. Yes, ogg quality is superior but there are a lot of devices that can't play ogg. To provide both is enough effort. FLAC will be the obvious choice in just a few years, or months. Think about this: If I want to print a cd, let's say the minimum quantity (500 copies), the costs are around 800$ for the bare bone jewel box. Here in Italy (and nothing is cheap here ATM) I can have a hosting service for 30 euros/year with unlimited space. Or you can host your music on archive.org and such for free. So, what are we talking about? You can provide mp3s, oggs and FLACs of your whole discography. And anyway, to say we're different because we use ogg and putting a logo on our website is just a marketing trick. These are the kind of tricks that big media use to brainwash people. I don't want to be a part of this. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From ivalladt at punkass.com Fri Mar 10 04:52:33 2006 From: ivalladt at punkass.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Fri Mar 10 04:52:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hardware samplers In-Reply-To: <20060309171946.GB1264@spma33> References: <20060309171946.GB1264@spma33> Message-ID: <20060310095233.GC2516@spma33> Anybody here is working with hardware samplers? How is it managed exchanging samples between sampler and computer? Is SCSI supported or is it needed using diskettes or zip drives? I'd like to get one of them second hand and I wonder which hardware sampler is more Linux-friendly, given that Linux doesn't seem very sampler-friendly. :) Cordially, Ismael -- mí, myself et moi http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is SCSI supported or >is it needed using diskettes or zip drives? > >I'd like to get one of them second hand and I wonder which hardware >sampler is more Linux-friendly, given that Linux doesn't seem very >sampler-friendly. :) > >Cordially, Ismael > > My suggestion is to save your money and give linuxsampler a try. If you already have a decent soundcard (otherwise you can buy one with that money) and a decent computer you can't beat the quality of the software sampler: same bitrate and sample frequency of your soundcard, no noise at all and routing to and from every jackd enabled software, unlimited possibilities. Future. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From dana at ubuntustudio.com Fri Mar 10 05:02:19 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Fri Mar 10 05:02:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: <441148D1.1010903@poeticstudios.com> References: <444E847A@zathras> <1b6a07c30603100049w4a78c6fbja6601237cce1438c@mail.gmail.com> <441148D1.1010903@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30603100202y7d50c89cyce486a01650ac646@mail.gmail.com> On 3/10/06, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Dana Olson wrote: > > >On 3/10/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > > > > >>>I think that you have presented a couple valid points. This motion, however, > >>>is something that will be only as successful as community wants it to be. > >>>FWIW, we could talk about incorporating your idea into the Linuxaudio.org > >>>mission as long as the two remain within the same scope. This way we the two > >>>could mutually benefit and in the long-run through exposure encourage others > >>>to adopt similar (or preferably same) strategy. > >>> > >>> > >>Sup Ico! I would absolutely LOVE to integrate this one with > >>linuxaudio.org. The more integrated the more powerful. This thing will > >>be, as all free movements, a matter of network effects. The more sites > >>with the free music logo and working the free music way, the better! The > >>more support, the better! Thanks! > >> > >>Carlo > >> > >> > > > > > >Let's get started! I am ready... Are you? > > > >My design skills suck, and I can't even do SVG stuff in Inkscape or > >whatever, so there goes my idea of using SVG, oh well. I'll do a > >hi-res idea in Gimp... My skills are crap, as I said, but I think we > >should indeed have a competition and have votes of some kind to see > >what everyone thinks about each submission. > > > >BTW, > >Digg for music would be cool! I don't know that Digg's source is > >available, but it sure would be easily adaptable, I think. We'd still > >need a big host for it though. > > > >Dana > > > > > > > > > Dana, > I don't believe that emphasizing the ogg choice is as important. Yes, > ogg quality is superior but there are a lot of devices that can't play ogg. > > To provide both is enough effort. > > FLAC will be the obvious choice in just a few years, or months. > > Think about this: If I want to print a cd, let's say the minimum > quantity (500 copies), the costs are around 800$ for the bare bone jewel > box. Here in Italy (and nothing is cheap here ATM) I can have a hosting > service for 30 euros/year with unlimited space. Or you can host your > music on archive.org and such for free. So, what are we talking about? > You can provide mp3s, oggs and FLACs of your whole discography. > > And anyway, to say we're different because we use ogg and putting a logo > on our website is just a marketing trick. These are the kind of tricks > that big media use to brainwash people. I don't want to be a part of this. > > c. > -- > www.cesaremarilungo.com > Okay, so stick to MP3 and other patent-encumbered formats if you like. The world doesn't need open formats I guess. From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Mar 10 05:16:30 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Mar 10 05:16:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30603100202y7d50c89cyce486a01650ac646@mail.gmail.com> References: <444E847A@zathras> <1b6a07c30603100049w4a78c6fbja6601237cce1438c@mail.gmail.com> <441148D1.1010903@poeticstudios.com> <1b6a07c30603100202y7d50c89cyce486a01650ac646@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <441151FE.30700@poeticstudios.com> Dana Olson wrote: >On 3/10/06, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > >>Dana Olson wrote: >> >> >> >>>On 3/10/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>I think that you have presented a couple valid points. This motion, however, >>>>>is something that will be only as successful as community wants it to be. >>>>>FWIW, we could talk about incorporating your idea into the Linuxaudio.org >>>>>mission as long as the two remain within the same scope. This way we the two >>>>>could mutually benefit and in the long-run through exposure encourage others >>>>>to adopt similar (or preferably same) strategy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Sup Ico! I would absolutely LOVE to integrate this one with >>>>linuxaudio.org. The more integrated the more powerful. This thing will >>>>be, as all free movements, a matter of network effects. The more sites >>>>with the free music logo and working the free music way, the better! The >>>>more support, the better! Thanks! >>>> >>>>Carlo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Let's get started! I am ready... Are you? >>> >>>My design skills suck, and I can't even do SVG stuff in Inkscape or >>>whatever, so there goes my idea of using SVG, oh well. I'll do a >>>hi-res idea in Gimp... My skills are crap, as I said, but I think we >>>should indeed have a competition and have votes of some kind to see >>>what everyone thinks about each submission. >>> >>>BTW, >>>Digg for music would be cool! I don't know that Digg's source is >>>available, but it sure would be easily adaptable, I think. We'd still >>>need a big host for it though. >>> >>>Dana >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Dana, >>I don't believe that emphasizing the ogg choice is as important. Yes, >>ogg quality is superior but there are a lot of devices that can't play ogg. >> >>To provide both is enough effort. >> >>FLAC will be the obvious choice in just a few years, or months. >> >>Think about this: If I want to print a cd, let's say the minimum >>quantity (500 copies), the costs are around 800$ for the bare bone jewel >>box. Here in Italy (and nothing is cheap here ATM) I can have a hosting >>service for 30 euros/year with unlimited space. Or you can host your >>music on archive.org and such for free. So, what are we talking about? >>You can provide mp3s, oggs and FLACs of your whole discography. >> >>And anyway, to say we're different because we use ogg and putting a logo >>on our website is just a marketing trick. These are the kind of tricks >>that big media use to brainwash people. I don't want to be a part of this. >> >>c. >>-- >>www.cesaremarilungo.com >> >> >> > > >Okay, so stick to MP3 and other patent-encumbered formats if you like. >The world doesn't need open formats I guess. > > > > I haven't said so, Dana. I just said that I wouldn't market my music as better just because I provide only the ogg files. Isn't FLAC an open format also? Can you compile the ogg library on Windows? And Pure Data? And can you compile Ardour on MacOS X? Aren't Windows and Os X patent-encumbered? I'm so thankful that my 5 years old iBook (the hd is so small I can't make it dual boot with gnu/linux) can be used as an hard disk recording system with jack, Ardour, ecasound (which is great, btw). c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From doj at cubic.org Fri Mar 10 05:25:04 2006 From: doj at cubic.org (Dirk Jagdmann) Date: Fri Mar 10 05:24:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30603100112g1f617400q7526c578d669426@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> <44113E41.9050608@cubic.org> <1b6a07c30603100112g1f617400q7526c578d669426@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44115400.9020204@cubic.org> > Anyhow, how close is your app to being done? The author of this app > hasn't done anything since May last year, so I'm not sure he'll be > responsive to me... I might look at the code and see what I can figure > out... But if you're close, I would be willing to test it and give you > feedback too. I would like to start coding on something, and I haven't > yet decided what. I've just hacked together an alpha website for this alpha software: http://llg.cubic.org/qtpod/ Get the source and have a look at it. Not everything is working yet, the TODO tells what's most urgent to fix. -- ---> Dirk Jagdmann ^ doj / cubic ----> http://cubic.org/~doj -----> http://llg.cubic.org From emillo at libero.it Fri Mar 10 05:29:03 2006 From: emillo at libero.it (Emiliano Grilli) Date: Fri Mar 10 05:29:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hardware samplers In-Reply-To: <20060310095233.GC2516@spma33> References: <20060309171946.GB1264@spma33> <20060310095233.GC2516@spma33> Message-ID: <20060310102903.GA7531@emillo.net> venerd?, 10 marzo 2006 alle 10:52:33, Ismael Valladolid Torres ha scritto: > Anybody here is working with hardware samplers? How is it managed > exchanging samples between sampler and computer? Is SCSI supported or > is it needed using diskettes or zip drives? I have a yamaha a4000, after a bit of struggle I got it working with SMDItools (http://nolv.free.fr/SMDITools/) but then I changed my main machine and dropped the scsi board :) However, it worked fine. > I'd like to get one of them second hand and I wonder which hardware > sampler is more Linux-friendly, given that Linux doesn't seem very > sampler-friendly. :) I have only experience with that... There was also a windows program that worked with wine, but was never really able to communicate with the sampler (I didn't try very hard, and it was a lot of time ago, maybe wine now has better MIDI support) AKAI samplers might have better support though (and a more vast library) > Cordially, Ismael HTH Ciao -- Emiliano Grilli Linux user #209089 http://www.emillo.net From x at branwelt.de Fri Mar 10 06:28:22 2006 From: x at branwelt.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Fri Mar 10 06:27:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: References: <1b6a07c30603091337o1d50492eya134ac3e88bf4691@mail.gmail.com> <20060309221906.348b64a7@localhost> <200603100134.43007.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <441162D6.9090002@branwelt.de> Let's not say "free music"! When stumbling across the word free in the internet, I often realize, it's actually not free... Maybe more convincing: We want the people to support the music and pay for it, so it's actually not free (in that meaning) "Free" isn't associated with "good" in this commercial world. "High price" is associated with "good"! When buying a dvd-player, I assume, the more money I investigate, the better it is. Let me suggest calling it "Value Music". (or worth music? ..my english....) It's value music, because it has more value for everyone. It has more value to the artist: he/she gets more freedom he/she can better spread his creations The customer has more value: he/she gets more freedom he/she can get the music faster (just downlaod) he/she can determine the price paid himself/herself etc. emanuel From arnold.krille at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 06:39:07 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Fri Mar 10 06:39:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: No audio nor MIDI via USB (PlanetCCRMA/FC3/TASCAM US-122) In-Reply-To: <200603091706.05314.oscar@oveas.com> References: <200603091706.05314.oscar@oveas.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80603100339h503c0698y6baf1ec01a38b456@mail.gmail.com> 2006/3/9, Oscar : > I'm using a TASCAM US-122 Audio/MIDI-USB convertor. Is the firmware loaded into the tascam? You can easily check this: If the usb-LED on the tascam is on its loaded... If not you have to execute usx2yloader. I realized that current kernels/hotplug-systems don't seem to call the firmware-loader. At least it is not loading the firmware... Btw: I always have to record into ram-disk since saving to hd seems to block the usb-irqs for to long (or otherwise round). But playback with linuxsampler and jack-rack and some real freaky effects works just nicely... Arnold, owner of an us-122 too. -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Mar 10 08:08:55 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Mar 10 08:09:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30603100115l1d144da8lab1216095c78fcac@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6a07c30603091337o1d50492eya134ac3e88bf4691@mail.gmail.com> <1b6a07c30603100115l1d144da8lab1216095c78fcac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >>Three fans???? Diva! > > > Diva?! Well I sure know I'd act like a COMPLETE Diva if I had three fans! Damn. > Dana is my middle name. My first name is Arnold. I go by my middle > name because my parents were on crack and yeah, whatever. > I know we're a little behind now, but Carlo, this is still fitting: > http://offload1.icculus.org/~dolson/images/clover_16.jpg :D Maybe if you show a little muscle... Yours truly, Arnie :) Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Mar 10 08:10:04 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Mar 10 08:20:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Hardware samplers In-Reply-To: <20060310095233.GC2516@spma33> References: <20060309171946.GB1264@spma33> <20060310095233.GC2516@spma33> Message-ID: MHO is... Hardware sample exchange=Proprietary Shmockware. From juan at nixbox.com.ar Fri Mar 10 09:07:51 2006 From: juan at nixbox.com.ar (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_Marcelo_Rodr=EDguez?=) Date: Fri Mar 10 09:11:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Manage sounds, patchs, combi and stuff for this hardware.- Message-ID: <44118837.6010406@nixbox.com.ar> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi guys, I have a Korg x5d and the midi interface to work with. I use the interface, record with Gnu/Linux and works quite well. But, as you know the keyboard includes a software for Windows and Mac to manage the combinations, the presets, and the sounds of the keyboard. I used to use this application with the OS mentioned above, but now I just use Gnu/Linux and I don't find an application to do this kind of work. It's, again, i.e.: to save the actual configuration of the keyboard, use another one downloaded from internet, edit sounds, combis, reset the keyboard, and use the bank A or B. All that controled by my Gnu/Linux machine. Best, Juan.- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEEYg3wWB8GXdhYbcRArarAJ9LwzLQDTFaW5T3GtvzENEvLfmkrACeKKTt 0Jfz3hpNPNYC6xxGL1uacOk= =Kxx5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Mar 10 09:51:28 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Mar 10 09:21:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <44115400.9020204@cubic.org> References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> <44113E41.9050608@cubic.org> <1b6a07c30603100112g1f617400q7526c578d669426@mail.gmail.com> <44115400.9020204@cubic.org> Message-ID: <44119270.4080606@woh.rr.com> JSynthLib also supports the Line 6 : http://www.jsynthlib.org/ From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Mar 10 09:58:49 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Mar 10 09:29:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Manage sounds, patchs, combi and stuff for this hardware.- In-Reply-To: <44118837.6010406@nixbox.com.ar> References: <44118837.6010406@nixbox.com.ar> Message-ID: <44119429.3020605@woh.rr.com> Juan Marcelo Rodr?guez wrote: > I have a Korg x5d and the midi interface to work with. I use the >interface, record with Gnu/Linux and works quite well. > >But, as you know the keyboard includes a software for Windows and Mac >to manage the combinations, the presets, and the sounds of the keyboard. >I used to use this application with the OS mentioned above, but now I >just use Gnu/Linux and I don't find an application to do this kind of >work. It's, again, i.e.: to save the actual configuration of the >keyboard, use another one downloaded from internet, edit sounds, >combis, reset the keyboard, and use the bank A or B. All that >controled by my Gnu/Linux machine. > > If the X5D is compatible with the X3 you might try JSynthLib : http://www.jsynthlib.org/ From jamesmichaelmcdermott at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 10:21:01 2006 From: jamesmichaelmcdermott at gmail.com (James McDermott) Date: Fri Mar 10 10:21:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: References: <1b6a07c30603091337o1d50492eya134ac3e88bf4691@mail.gmail.com> <1b6a07c30603100115l1d144da8lab1216095c78fcac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Digg for music would be cool! I don't know that Digg's source is available, but it sure would be easily adaptable, I think. We'd still need a big host for it though. This is a great idea. We need the links, so that anyone who discovers some good freemusic can easily find more; and we need the logos (though they'll be optional of course) for the brand-recognition factor; and we need the network effects, so that users bring in more users and better recommendations (or however it works). I don't know if we really need a big server - LinuxAudio.org (if the freemusic digg is to be there) wouldn't have to host the files, just provide links to everyone's home page, or archive.org, or googlepages, or whatever. On the subject of mp3s v ogg, I think it'd be great to have a mixture, because there *will*, if the initiative is even slightly successful, be lots of clueless users and people with hardware that can't play ogg. But there will inevitably be a strong ogg presence, and having a proportion of oggs without corresponding mp3s will create a strong try-ogg-out effect. James PS I have 3 fans, including girlfriend & brothers. From lee at rockingtiger.com Fri Mar 10 11:41:28 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Fri Mar 10 11:41:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dj-ing hardware under Linux Message-ID: <677970.3501142008888768.JavaMail.root@mugen> ----- Paul Davis wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 11:40 +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > > actually feels like real equipment. Though really, YOU NEED A > MIXER. > > No, you can't use one in a program. No. You can't. End of story. No > > mixer, in any software allows you to cue properly (listen to track > not > > currently going to master in headphones) or have nice smooth > > eq/levels. > > with all due respect, although you might not consider it the right > tool > for the task, ardour will allow precisely that, and via h/w control > if > you want it. you just need an audio interface with at least 4 outs. Since we're talking about it, has anyone used the MIDI mapping functionality of QAmix[1]? I use QArecord all the time to record a quick 16 bit stereo wav file through jack. QAmix supposedley can MIDI map any CC to any ALSA mixer control. -lee [1]http://alsamodular.sourceforge.net/ From terakuma at imbris.net Fri Mar 10 11:45:45 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Fri Mar 10 11:45:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: <20060310102919.118A2A4316F@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060310102919.118A2A4316F@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603100845450080.00ACF14F@mail.imbris.net> Hmmmm . . . . . . . . . . . . Lots of interesting ideas and an abundance of enthusiasm! Random First Thoughts: I've got to be honest - the 'Free Music' label makes me cringe. Two reasons - one personal, the other practical. Personal level: I *really, really* want my husband to be able to quit his stupid day-job flipping omelets and make music full, or nearly full-time. (If you're going to try to make a living at that, you've also got to spend a lot of time doing "self-sufficiency"-type things to provide for yourself what you can't afford to buy.) That 'Free Music' term just tells me we'll never be able to accomplish this - he can distribute an abundance of beautiful music to the world, freely - but forget ever getting anything back for it. That's just how it *feels* to me, and that is *really* depressing. Practical level: I have gotten from your posts Carlo, that you also want to encourage a culture of tipping/donation to go along with this movement. If you're going to address this from a psychological/subliminal/marketing standpoint - as you have been doing admirably - you must admit that using the term 'Free' so relentlessly in your marketing strategy psychologically works against the donation part of it. I mean, from the user's standpoint, it creates a cognitive dissonance of: "Well is it free or isn't it?" "They say it's so great and wonderful because it's free, but I'm morally obligated to pay for it too?" "Which is it?" Confusing your end-user/consumer is not good marketing strategy. I think most people will simply take you at your word that it is 'Free' and run with it - not feeling in the least obliged to donate - and possibly resent that whole aspect of it. (I know that to Stallman disciples the 'free' word is mandatory, but this is entertainment we're talking about here, and besides - as I keep saying, to make sense to me, the 'free' has to extend to *everything* or it just doesn't work.) I agree with Cesare that we could come up with a better term - I don't know - Open Music? Global Music? People's Music? Creative Commons Music? Direct Music? Shoot - I'm just not feeling very inspired today, but you know what I mean: a term that holds all the positive connotations of being freely accessible (at least to those with internet access), disconnected from the industry, made with wonderful open-source tools, freedom-of-*choice* about what they can listen to, the rich diversity and abundance of this global music, being part of a whole new global village where we support and empower one another outside the strictures of corporatocracy, etc. BTW, if we do come up with a good strategy to get people to donate/tip for the music, then we definitely need to share the wealth: All music made with open-source tools should have nice, big attractive sidebar buttons to take people to the project sites' donation page to encourage donations for the software tools that make this all possible. Or better still - how about taking a page from many commercial artists that say "10% of the proceeds go to benefit . . . . ('Save the whales', 'Save the rainforest', 'Campaign for Peace', 'Earthquake Relief' , etc.) We could say that "_% of the proceeds of all donations go to the OSS community" as support for the open-source tools that make this music possible. (I actually had the whacked-out idea at one point that we should pay Paul some kind of 'royalty' from our CD sales - but given the likely number of such sales, I quickly realized that would be an insult. :) ) Also wanted to mention one other aspect to this that we are going to try: Don't limit it just to downloadable music - make the CD/DVD-Audio an option as well - perhaps link it to the donation feature such as: "You can download these tracks for free - play them on your computer/portable player, share them with others, but if you would like to listen to this music in the best resolution and have a permanent copy of it you can buy it on CD for _$" Or alternatively - "$15 donation gets you the full CD with lots of bonus features, $20 gets you a DVD-Audio or DVD-Video with performance videos, multi-channel, pics, interviews, etc." Or for those who don't want to mess with CD production, it could be some other 'value-added' content: posters, T-shirts, mugs, bumper-stickers, calendars - lots of possibilities. Just something to give an incentive to donate. Gotta go drink some tea and do some yoga to get my brain more in gear. ;) Later, Maluvia From ce at christeck.de Fri Mar 10 12:31:03 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri Mar 10 12:30:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] usb midi device numbers In-Reply-To: <20060310084232.GF10971@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <44108C8E.1060008@mur.at> <200603100035.11551.ce@christeck.de> <20060310084232.GF10971@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <200603101831.03236.ce@christeck.de> Am Freitag, 10. M?rz 2006 09:42 schrieb Clemens Ladisch: > > options snd-usb-audio index=2,3,4,5,6 > > vid=0x0582,0x0763,0x0763,0x0582,0x0ccd ? > > pid=0x0074,0x1033,0x0117,0x0009,0x0028 nrpacks=1 > > All these options must be on one line. > > You don't need to set the vid/pid parameters unless you have more > than one USB audio device. I use five :) . Some are stationary (Midisport 8x8), some are mobile (TriggerFinger, UA-25) Best regards ce From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Mar 10 12:35:03 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Mar 10 12:35:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: <200603100845450080.00ACF14F@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060310102919.118A2A4316F@music.columbia.edu> <200603100845450080.00ACF14F@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <4411B8C7.5030408@poeticstudios.com> Maluvia wrote: >Hmmmm . . . . . . . . . . . . > >Lots of interesting ideas and an abundance of enthusiasm! > >Random First Thoughts: > >I've got to be honest - the 'Free Music' label makes me cringe. >Two reasons - one personal, the other practical. > >Personal level: >I *really, really* want my husband to be able to quit his stupid day-job >flipping omelets and make music full, or nearly full-time. >(If you're going to try to make a living at that, you've also got to spend >a lot of time doing "self-sufficiency"-type things to provide for yourself >what you can't afford to buy.) >That 'Free Music' term just tells me we'll never be able to accomplish this >- he can distribute an abundance of beautiful music to the world, freely - >but forget ever getting anything back for it. >That's just how it *feels* to me, and that is *really* depressing. > >Practical level: >I have gotten from your posts Carlo, that you also want to encourage a >culture of tipping/donation to go along with this movement. >If you're going to address this from a psychological/subliminal/marketing >standpoint - as you have been doing admirably - you must admit that using >the term 'Free' so relentlessly in your marketing strategy psychologically >works against the donation part of it. >I mean, from the user's standpoint, it creates a cognitive dissonance of: >"Well is it free or isn't it?" >"They say it's so great and wonderful because it's free, but I'm morally >obligated to pay for it too?" >"Which is it?" >Confusing your end-user/consumer is not good marketing strategy. >I think most people will simply take you at your word that it is 'Free' and >run with it - not feeling in the least obliged to donate - and possibly >resent that whole aspect of it. > >(I know that to Stallman disciples the 'free' word is mandatory, but this >is entertainment we're talking about here, and besides - as I keep saying, >to make sense to me, the 'free' has to extend to *everything* or it just >doesn't work.) >I agree with Cesare that we could come up with a better term - I don't know >- Open Music? Global Music? People's Music? Creative Commons Music? Direct >Music? > >Shoot - I'm just not feeling very inspired today, but you know what I mean: >a term that holds all the positive connotations of being freely accessible >(at least to those with internet access), disconnected from the industry, >made with wonderful open-source tools, freedom-of-*choice* about what they >can listen to, the rich diversity and abundance of this global music, being >part of a whole new global village where we support and empower one another >outside the strictures of corporatocracy, etc. > >BTW, if we do come up with a good strategy to get people to donate/tip for >the music, then we definitely need to share the wealth: >All music made with open-source tools should have nice, big attractive >sidebar buttons to take people to the project sites' donation page to >encourage donations for the software tools that make this all possible. > >Or better still - how about taking a page from many commercial artists that >say "10% of the proceeds go to benefit . . . . ('Save the whales', 'Save >the rainforest', 'Campaign for Peace', 'Earthquake Relief' , etc.) >We could say that "_% of the proceeds of all donations go to the OSS >community" as support for the open-source tools that make this music >possible. >(I actually had the whacked-out idea at one point that we should pay Paul >some kind of 'royalty' from our CD sales - but given the likely number of >such sales, I quickly realized that would be an insult. :) ) > >Also wanted to mention one other aspect to this that we are going to try: >Don't limit it just to downloadable music - make the CD/DVD-Audio an option >as well - perhaps link it to the donation feature such as: >"You can download these tracks for free - play them on your >computer/portable player, share them with others, but if you would like to >listen to this music in the best resolution and have a permanent copy of it >you can buy it on CD for _$" >Or alternatively - "$15 donation gets you the full CD with lots of bonus >features, $20 gets you a DVD-Audio or DVD-Video with performance videos, >multi-channel, pics, interviews, etc." >Or for those who don't want to mess with CD production, it could be some >other 'value-added' content: >posters, T-shirts, mugs, bumper-stickers, calendars - lots of >possibilities. >Just something to give an incentive to donate. > >Gotta go drink some tea and do some yoga to get my brain more in gear. ;) > >Later, >Maluvia > > > Maluvia, you wouldn't believe me, but this time I agree on everything. :-) About the definition, at least according to a google search I've been the first to use: 'web releasing musician'. I think it says it all. Music released on the web instead of in shops. I started to see also website that proudly say 'not available in shops', but this is limiting, since even some of my own releases are available as printed cd in (altough underground) records shops. About your goal to earn a living with music, what I was trying to convince you all about is that it wasn't possible for non-commercial artists to do this before. I've grown up listening mostly to music from artists who had a day job. This could be possible now thanks to the Web. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From ce at christeck.de Fri Mar 10 12:46:51 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri Mar 10 12:46:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603101846.51617.ce@christeck.de> Hi, > I have never reverse-engineered a file format before, and I wouldn't > even know where to start, but there are lots of files available to > download for the Line6 gear, and it would be nice to be able to use > them. I'm not willing to install Windows to deal with it. the pods understand sysex, so if you get presets as sysex files from the web you can send them to the pod, I guess. Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Fri Mar 10 12:49:46 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri Mar 10 12:49:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <1b6a07c30603100112g1f617400q7526c578d669426@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> <44113E41.9050608@cubic.org> <1b6a07c30603100112g1f617400q7526c578d669426@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200603101849.46300.ce@christeck.de> > But what it doesn't appear to do is allow me to tweak the settings > and have it change it on the POD. It's supposed to work, but it > doesn't Did you edit it using sysex? If so, I guess it uses a checksum. I have a Behringer V-Amp 2, just similar to the Pod, and I have reverse engineered almost the complete sysex stuff. Unfortunately I only have some poor Qt skills :( . Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Fri Mar 10 12:52:13 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri Mar 10 12:52:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <44119270.4080606@woh.rr.com> References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> <44115400.9020204@cubic.org> <44119270.4080606@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200603101852.13792.ce@christeck.de> > JSynthLib also supports the Line 6 : > > ? ? http://www.jsynthlib.org/ and via Tritonus JSynthLib also supports ALSA :) . Best regards ce From carotinobg at yahoo.it Fri Mar 10 13:08:24 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Fri Mar 10 13:10:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] POLL: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: <4411B8C7.5030408@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060310102919.118A2A4316F@music.columbia.edu> <200603100845450080.00ACF14F@mail.imbris.net> <4411B8C7.5030408@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <200603101908.24804.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 18:35, venerd? 10 marzo 2006, Cesare Marilungo ha scritto: > About the definition, at least according to a google search I've been > the first to use: 'web releasing musician'. I think it says it all. > Music released on the web instead of in shops. That's a definition close to our subject, but IMHO it's not appealing... I mean, a word like "blog" or "iTunes" is better to memorize and sounds cool (I know I've an obsession with the word "cool" but I still believe it's the way to let your ideas spread). Don't know, something like "World Wide Waves", "P.I.Z.Z.A. Connection (Powerful Interesting ZZ-rated Art)" "ECS-files (Environmental/Extraordinary/Excellent/Exalted Content Sharing spelled X-files)", did you get what I mean?:) But I have a poll for you: What are the key factors that we want to publicize? My answer is: - Alternative distribution (via the Web => modern, trendy) AND - Alternative composition (OSS tools, Linux... => modern, trendy) I think it's morally correct to publicize the fact that my music has been made with Linux, using OSS tools, so that I'm coherent with my ideas of free sharing of music etc. Byez! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From carotinobg at yahoo.it Fri Mar 10 13:13:32 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Fri Mar 10 13:14:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hardware samplers In-Reply-To: <44114E7B.40208@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060309171946.GB1264@spma33> <20060310095233.GC2516@spma33> <44114E7B.40208@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <200603101913.32614.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 11:01, venerd? 10 marzo 2006, Cesare Marilungo ha scritto: > My suggestion is to save your money and give linuxsampler a try. But, how can I create my own Gigasamples, or what else are they called? Is there only Windows software? Thanks! Carotinho ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Mar 10 14:09:52 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Mar 10 13:40:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <200603101852.13792.ce@christeck.de> References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> <44115400.9020204@cubic.org> <44119270.4080606@woh.rr.com> <200603101852.13792.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <4411CF00.7010707@woh.rr.com> Christoph Eckert wrote: >>JSynthLib also supports the Line 6 : >> >> http://www.jsynthlib.org/ >> >> > >and via Tritonus JSynthLib also supports ALSA :) . > > Hi Christoph: That's nice to know. How do I set it up ? Best, dp From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Mar 10 13:50:37 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Mar 10 13:50:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hardware samplers In-Reply-To: <200603101913.32614.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <20060309171946.GB1264@spma33> <20060310095233.GC2516@spma33> <44114E7B.40208@poeticstudios.com> <200603101913.32614.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <4411CA7D.1090507@poeticstudios.com> Carotinho wrote: >Hi! > >Alle 11:01, venerd? 10 marzo 2006, Cesare Marilungo ha scritto: > > >>My suggestion is to save your money and give linuxsampler a try. >> >> > >But, how can I create my own Gigasamples, or what else are they called? Is >there only Windows software? > >Thanks! > >Carotinho > > > The developement version of swami (http://swami.sourceforge.net/) has introduced sume basic support for the gigasample format. I've never used it for this, but I've succesfully produced some custom sf2 samplebanks with it and used them with fluidsynth (via qsynth, http://qsynth.sourceforge.net). If you couple one of the tools above with Pure Data, you can reach an umbelieveble level of flexibility. For instance, I'm making a pd patch that is basically a virtual drummer, with different ranges of random variation, both for timing and for velocity, routed to linuxsampler with a very good quality drum bank I've found at http://www.naturalstudio.co.uk/ns_kit7freedownload.html Another patch I'm working on can make a good piano soundbank sound even more realistic, implementing some of the intrinsicnesses of a real piano, like the sympathetic vibration of a string when the key is pressed and I play the same key at an octave above, or the fact that if I've just hit a key and I hit it again when the hammer hasn't had the time to go back in the rest position, and so on. In bocca al lupo. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Mar 10 13:53:29 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Mar 10 13:53:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hardware samplers In-Reply-To: <4411CA7D.1090507@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060309171946.GB1264@spma33> <20060310095233.GC2516@spma33> <44114E7B.40208@poeticstudios.com> <200603101913.32614.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <4411CA7D.1090507@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <4411CB29.2000608@poeticstudios.com> Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Carotinho wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Alle 11:01, venerd? 10 marzo 2006, Cesare Marilungo ha scritto: >> >> >>> My suggestion is to save your money and give linuxsampler a try. >>> >> >> >> But, how can I create my own Gigasamples, or what else are they >> called? Is there only Windows software? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Carotinho >> >> >> > The developement version of swami (http://swami.sourceforge.net/) has > introduced sume basic support for the gigasample format. I've never > used it for this, but I've succesfully produced some custom sf2 > samplebanks with it and used them with fluidsynth (via qsynth, > http://qsynth.sourceforge.net). > > If you couple one of the tools above with Pure Data, you can reach an > umbelieveble level of flexibility. > > For instance, I'm making a pd patch that is basically a virtual > drummer, with different ranges of random variation, both for timing > and for velocity, routed to linuxsampler with a very good quality drum > bank I've found at > http://www.naturalstudio.co.uk/ns_kit7freedownload.html > > Another patch I'm working on can make a good piano soundbank sound > even more realistic, implementing some of the intrinsicnesses of a > real piano, like the sympathetic vibration of a string when the key is > pressed and I play the same key at an octave above, or the fact that > if I've just hit a key and I hit it again when the hammer hasn't had > the time to go back in the rest position, and ...the key should play at a lower velocity. :-P > so on. > > In bocca al lupo. > > c. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Mar 10 13:54:04 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Mar 10 13:54:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <44115400.9020204@cubic.org> References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> <44113E41.9050608@cubic.org> <1b6a07c30603100112g1f617400q7526c578d669426@mail.gmail.com> <44115400.9020204@cubic.org> Message-ID: <1142016845.19759.18.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 11:25 +0100, Dirk Jagdmann wrote: > > Anyhow, how close is your app to being done? The author of this app > > hasn't done anything since May last year, so I'm not sure he'll be > > responsive to me... I might look at the code and see what I can figure > > out... But if you're close, I would be willing to test it and give you > > feedback too. I would like to start coding on something, and I haven't > > yet decided what. > > I've just hacked together an alpha website for this alpha software: > http://llg.cubic.org/qtpod/ > > Get the source and have a look at it. Not everything is working yet, the > TODO tells what's most urgent to fix. > Why exactly do we need two apps to do the same thing? Please, don't start a new project just because the existing one is missign some features you want, why not simply contribute to the original project? Lee From ce at christeck.de Fri Mar 10 14:16:12 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri Mar 10 14:16:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <4411CF00.7010707@woh.rr.com> References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> <200603101852.13792.ce@christeck.de> <4411CF00.7010707@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200603102016.13337.ce@christeck.de> > ? That's nice to know. How do I set it up ? See http://www.tritonus.org; after unpacking (I got the binaries) see the readme for installation details. It was just copying some files into some lib folders. Best regards ce From terakuma at imbris.net Fri Mar 10 14:45:08 2006 From: terakuma at imbris.net (Maluvia) Date: Fri Mar 10 14:45:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: <20060310181049.70BBBA51C76@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060310181049.70BBBA51C76@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200603101145080830.015135A0@mail.imbris.net> >Maluvia, you wouldn't believe me, but this time I agree on everything. :-) I knew we were of the same mind in spirit, Cesare. Sometimes words just really get in the way. [hug] >About the definition, at least according to a google search I've been >the first to use: 'web releasing musician'. I think it says it all. >Music released on the web instead of in shops. This is a perfectly sensible, honest, descriptive term - I just tend to agree with Carotinho that it is not very 'catchy'. (Just trying to think of a term that gets that idea across in shorter, more memorable fashion.) But I also realize you're not interested in 'gimmicky' marketing ploys, either - and I respect that. Unfortunately, it just seems that many people need an extra nudge of that sort to feel like opening their wallets - to feel like they are buying into a concept or image, not just a product. I wish it was not that way. Hollywood has insinuated its mentality into nearly every facet of modern society, and a big part of that mentality is that glamour is the commodity - and *they* get to define what is 'glamorous' - up to now. >I started to see also website that proudly say 'not available in shops', Actually, that sounds like a good phrase to put on one's site - where it's applicable. "Available only online" evokes the idea that someone might be missing out on something if they rely only on bricks-and-mortar establishments to purchase goods, and plays into that - to me utterly bizarre - mentality that something has more value because it is 'scarce'. >About your goal to earn a living with music, what I was trying to >convince you all about is that it wasn't possible for non-commercial >artists to do this before. I've grown up listening mostly to music from >artists who had a day job. This could be possible now thanks to the Web. I agree. It is certainly not a technological barrier - we have all the tools to make it happen. It is a *psychological* barrier that we are challenged to overcome. - Maluvia From torbenh at gmx.de Fri Mar 10 15:10:15 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Fri Mar 10 15:15:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] netjack-0.7 build fails In-Reply-To: <200603091603.11610.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> References: <200603091603.11610.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060310201015.GB9304@mobilat> On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 04:03:11PM -0800, Robert Persson wrote: > I have just tried to build netjack-0.7 and failed. > > Here is what happened: > zebedee netjack-0.7 # scons \ > jack_source_dir=../jack-audio-connection-kit-0.99.0 > scons: Reading SConscript files ... > {'jack_source_dir': '../jack-audio-connection-kit-0.99.0'} > scons: done reading SConscript files. > scons: Building targets ... > gcc -I../../ -I../../config -DPIC -D_REENTRANT -D_POSIX_PTHREAD_SEMANTICS > -Wall -fPIC -I/usr/include/alsa > -I/usr/local/src/jack-audio-connection-kit-0.99.0 > -I/usr/local/src/jack-audio-connection-kit-0.99.0/config -c -o net_driver.os > net_driver.c > net_driver.c: In function `net_driver_run_cycle': > net_driver.c:102: error: too many arguments to function > scons: *** [net_driver.os] Error 1 > scons: building terminated because of errors. your jackd version is too old. either get a recent jackd or remove the offending line. while looking at it, i find, that its never called :P netjack-0.8 is just about to get released. i will remove the offending stuff there... > > What have I done wrong? Or am I just trying to do too much too soon? > > Cheers > Robert > -- > Robert Persson > > Conspiracy Bears: > Once upon a time there were lots of conspiracy bears... > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From tito at rumford.de Fri Mar 10 16:56:58 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Fri Mar 10 16:56:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <443B6F73@zathras> <1226.192.168.1.1.1141954195.squirrel@hassard.net> Message-ID: <200603102254.32447.tito@rumford.de> "Loki Davison" : > On 3/10/06, Stephen Hassard wrote: > > On Thu, March 9, 2006 15:37, cdr wrote: Stephen, cdr, Loki, thanks. So there's some backup to the claim. Amazing how people dig into this. Whenever I want to upgrade I go downtown. My dealer shifts 100's of units every day and I reckon they'd rather not deal with dozens of people coming back complaining. Been lucky so far (last I got from them was ASUS A7V8X-X). -- Wolfgang From tito at rumford.de Fri Mar 10 17:14:56 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Fri Mar 10 17:14:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Totally OT In-Reply-To: <200603091203.42469.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <20060308200946.0B8279F34FC@music.columbia.edu> <440FFBE0.3070903@poeticstudios.com> <200603091203.42469.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200603102314.56126.tito@rumford.de> Carotinho : > "The Penguin plays here! (tm)" With H5N1 around the corner I'd consider past tense. -- Wolfgang From dana at ubuntustudio.com Fri Mar 10 17:15:58 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Fri Mar 10 17:16:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Marketing Free Music In-Reply-To: <200603100845450080.00ACF14F@mail.imbris.net> References: <20060310102919.118A2A4316F@music.columbia.edu> <200603100845450080.00ACF14F@mail.imbris.net> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30603101415l331ed7beod2395c8fc87591bd@mail.gmail.com> On 3/10/06, Maluvia wrote: > Hmmmm . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Lots of interesting ideas and an abundance of enthusiasm! > > Random First Thoughts: > > I've got to be honest - the 'Free Music' label makes me cringe. > Two reasons - one personal, the other practical. > > Personal level: > I *really, really* want my husband to be able to quit his stupid day-job > flipping omelets and make music full, or nearly full-time. > (If you're going to try to make a living at that, you've also got to spend > a lot of time doing "self-sufficiency"-type things to provide for yourself > what you can't afford to buy.) > That 'Free Music' term just tells me we'll never be able to accomplish this > - he can distribute an abundance of beautiful music to the world, freely - > but forget ever getting anything back for it. > That's just how it *feels* to me, and that is *really* depressing. > > Practical level: > I have gotten from your posts Carlo, that you also want to encourage a > culture of tipping/donation to go along with this movement. > If you're going to address this from a psychological/subliminal/marketing > standpoint - as you have been doing admirably - you must admit that using > the term 'Free' so relentlessly in your marketing strategy psychologically > works against the donation part of it. > I mean, from the user's standpoint, it creates a cognitive dissonance of: > "Well is it free or isn't it?" > "They say it's so great and wonderful because it's free, but I'm morally > obligated to pay for it too?" > "Which is it?" > Confusing your end-user/consumer is not good marketing strategy. > I think most people will simply take you at your word that it is 'Free' and > run with it - not feeling in the least obliged to donate - and possibly > resent that whole aspect of it. > > (I know that to Stallman disciples the 'free' word is mandatory, but this > is entertainment we're talking about here, and besides - as I keep saying, > to make sense to me, the 'free' has to extend to *everything* or it just > doesn't work.) > I agree with Cesare that we could come up with a better term - I don't know > - Open Music? Global Music? People's Music? Creative Commons Music? Direct > Music? > > Shoot - I'm just not feeling very inspired today, but you know what I mean: > a term that holds all the positive connotations of being freely accessible > (at least to those with internet access), disconnected from the industry, > made with wonderful open-source tools, freedom-of-*choice* about what they > can listen to, the rich diversity and abundance of this global music, being > part of a whole new global village where we support and empower one another > outside the strictures of corporatocracy, etc. > > BTW, if we do come up with a good strategy to get people to donate/tip for > the music, then we definitely need to share the wealth: > All music made with open-source tools should have nice, big attractive > sidebar buttons to take people to the project sites' donation page to > encourage donations for the software tools that make this all possible. > > Or better still - how about taking a page from many commercial artists that > say "10% of the proceeds go to benefit . . . . ('Save the whales', 'Save > the rainforest', 'Campaign for Peace', 'Earthquake Relief' , etc.) > We could say that "_% of the proceeds of all donations go to the OSS > community" as support for the open-source tools that make this music > possible. > (I actually had the whacked-out idea at one point that we should pay Paul > some kind of 'royalty' from our CD sales - but given the likely number of > such sales, I quickly realized that would be an insult. :) ) > > Also wanted to mention one other aspect to this that we are going to try: > Don't limit it just to downloadable music - make the CD/DVD-Audio an option > as well - perhaps link it to the donation feature such as: > "You can download these tracks for free - play them on your > computer/portable player, share them with others, but if you would like to > listen to this music in the best resolution and have a permanent copy of it > you can buy it on CD for _$" > Or alternatively - "$15 donation gets you the full CD with lots of bonus > features, $20 gets you a DVD-Audio or DVD-Video with performance videos, > multi-channel, pics, interviews, etc." > Or for those who don't want to mess with CD production, it could be some > other 'value-added' content: > posters, T-shirts, mugs, bumper-stickers, calendars - lots of > possibilities. > Just something to give an incentive to donate. > > Gotta go drink some tea and do some yoga to get my brain more in gear. ;) > > Later, > Maluvia A very good, if long ;), post. If we did make a site like Digg, it should be as close to Digg as possible, I think, so it's immediately familiar. Digg has a lot of users, and there are a lot of new sites out there that I just can't be bothered to figure out, as some of them can be very non-intuitive. As for the donation thing, the one thing that irks me about all the independant bands I listen to is that I have to give my credit card number out to so many different places. It'd be nice to have a central place for this. OH I KNOW, that Digg-like site! We could have the infrastructure in place there to allow users to register their PayPal or CCs, and allow them to tip artists from a central location. The artists would have to register with the site, but I don't see that as a problem. The problem would be that we would need someone to pay for it all and develop it, and I can't do that myself right now, unfortunately. It's an idea, and it would help the convenience factor for end-users. Or we could even make a client, not unlike iTunes.. to take over the world. Just some outlandish thoughts. Dana From m_nels at gmx.net Fri Mar 10 17:46:27 2006 From: m_nels at gmx.net (Michael T D Nelson) Date: Fri Mar 10 17:44:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <200603101849.46300.ce@christeck.de> References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> <44113E41.9050608@cubic.org> <1b6a07c30603100112g1f617400q7526c578d669426@mail.gmail.com> <200603101849.46300.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <441201C3.5060500@gmx.net> Christoph Eckert wrote: >>But what it doesn't appear to do is allow me to tweak the settings >>and have it change it on the POD. It's supposed to work, but it >>doesn't > > > Did you edit it using sysex? If so, I guess it uses a checksum. > > I have a Behringer V-Amp 2, just similar to the Pod, and I have reverse > engineered almost the complete sysex stuff. Unfortunately I only have > some poor Qt skills :( . I only have very limited programming skills, but I have a V-Amp Pro, and would be very interested in writing this sort of utility. Would the SYSEX stuff for the V-Amp 2 be similar to the V-Amp Pro, I wonder? If so, I would be very interested in learning what you have found out! Regards Michael From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 18:01:53 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri Mar 10 18:01:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] usb soundcard not working in 2.6.15 Message-ID: <44120561.2030102@gmail.com> Hi I cannot make my edirol ua-1a sound under 2.6.15. I have patched with the rt-21 patch, which otherwise work fine, but the problem is the same with an unpatched 2.6.15. And the problem is the same under debian/stable and debian/unstable. Same with multimedia-kernel from demudi. I was starting to suspect that is was dead, since everything looked fine, apps (audacity, aplay, csound) ran happily, nothing in dmesg. But as a last desperate atempt I booted in a plain debian/stable install with debian kernel 2.6.8, and it just worked. To test I run: aplay -D hw:1 test.wav And I have: [atte@aarhus atte]$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [SI7012 ]: ICH - SiS SI7012 SiS SI7012 with ALC200,200P at 0xdc00, irq 10 1 [UA1A ]: USB-Audio - EDIROL UA-1A Roland EDIROL UA-1A at usb-0000:00:03.2-1, full speed 2 [keyboard ]: USB-Audio - MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.1-2.1, f 3 [keyboard_1 ]: USB-Audio - MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-249C USB MIDI keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.1-2.2, f 4 [Keyboard ]: USB-Audio - MK-449C USB MIDI Keyboard Evolution Electronics Ltd. MK-449C USB MIDI Keyboard at usb-0000:00:03.1-2.3, f So now (before I post my kernel .config and all) I'm wondering, could it be a simple something that needs to be flipped somewhere? Where to look for additional information? I tried installing udev, but that didn't change anything... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From hardbop200 at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 18:14:17 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Fri Mar 10 18:14:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hardware samplers In-Reply-To: <4411CA7D.1090507@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060309171946.GB1264@spma33> <20060310095233.GC2516@spma33> <44114E7B.40208@poeticstudios.com> <200603101913.32614.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <4411CA7D.1090507@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: On 3/10/06, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > >But, how can I create my own Gigasamples, or what else are they called? Is > >there only Windows software? > > > >Thanks! > > > >Carotinho MHO: There's no point in wasting your time. There is a vast commercial market of fine samples out there to be had, and I don't see the open source community jumping on the task of creating their own, at least at the rate that commercial developers do. Unfortunately, not all hardware samplers import all formats, so going with the hardware solution will probably be just as frustrating as the software one. It's a catch-22, with no real good solution. The only viable option is to try to run something like Native Instruments' Kontakt on Linux, which a lot of people do, from what I understand. I would love to see Linuxsampler try to acheive the same level of functionality as Kontakt, which is a fine sample program. Why they are focusing so much on the Giga library and totally ignoring the Akai library is a mystery to me. Linux Audio needs a full-featured sample program *badly*, and Linuxsampler (from looking at the spec sheets) just ain't it (yet). -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 18:40:58 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri Mar 10 18:41:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] usb midi device numbers In-Reply-To: <200603100035.11551.ce@christeck.de> References: <44108C8E.1060008@mur.at> <200603100035.11551.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <44120E8A.1010405@gmail.com> Christoph Eckert wrote: > you want to edit /etc/modules.d/alsa or /etc/modules.conf directly > (depending on your system configuration): On debian edit /etc/modutils/alsa-base (or something like that) and run "update-modules" as root to get the changes into /etc/modules.conf. I've had trouble making this work under debian for quite a while (it used to work). I even asked here a while ago. Tonight I managed to figure it out: /etc/modprobe.d/sound should be a copy of (or symlink to) /etc/modutils/alsa(-base). This makes the correct information show up in /sys/module/snd_usb_audio/parameters/* So in case anyone (including the original poster, Peter) struggles with this, try this... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From kevinc at doink.com Sat Mar 11 01:31:45 2006 From: kevinc at doink.com (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Sat Mar 11 01:32:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] expander/gate plugin? In-Reply-To: <1141753524.3831.4.camel@puppeli> Message-ID: <20060311063145.A3B494068@joseph.doink.com> On 7 March 2006 at 19:45, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 08:08 -0800, Kevin Cosgrove wrote: > > Is there a LADSPA expander gate plugin that I could use with > > Ardour and/or Audacity? > > The same package (swh-plugins) contains a gate. It's simply named > "Gate". Wow, how could I have missed that. > Also, the package contains an expander called: SE4. How can I hook up this two input, two output expander in a mono chain? Thanks... -- Kevin From tito at rumford.de Sat Mar 11 02:18:25 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Sat Mar 11 02:17:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] expander/gate plugin? In-Reply-To: <20060311063145.A3B494068@joseph.doink.com> References: <20060311063145.A3B494068@joseph.doink.com> Message-ID: <200603110818.25616.tito@rumford.de> Kevin Cosgrove : > On 7 March 2006 at 19:45, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 08:08 -0800, Kevin Cosgrove wrote: > > > Is there a LADSPA expander gate plugin that I could use > > > with Ardour and/or Audacity? > > > > The same package (swh-plugins) contains a gate. It's > > simply named "Gate". > > Wow, how could I have missed that. > > > Also, the package contains an expander called: SE4. > > How can I hook up this two input, two output expander in a > mono chain? "Mono to Stereo" from the very same package (swh-plugins). > > Thanks... > -- > Kevin -- Wolfgang From renatoftato at yahoo.com Sat Mar 11 02:43:01 2006 From: renatoftato at yahoo.com (Renato Fabbri) Date: Sat Mar 11 02:43:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mac? Linux PC? Message-ID: <20060311074301.6588.qmail@web52314.mail.yahoo.com> There is a big budget heading my way and it is clear that buying a new lapop will be nice. But I am kind of confused about the choices. Mac or a Linux PC? I can spent anything like ten thousand dollars on this. I am a composer, mainly of concert music. Unfortunatelly, I used a win PC for compatibility on some temporary jobs I was doing. Already mess a little with macs and just loved this start on linux for audio. Macs are traditionaly dedicated to multimidia, ok, everyone knows they have splendid softwares for audio and that it is stable, beatiful and smells like flowers. On the other hand linux, it is a dream to just install, run and get a 8ms latency just for start, everything free, very configurable, very sable, PD runs better and with more things, jack is outstanding, PCs are cheaper... Please, have anyone experienced both macOS and a linux PC as a composer and/or a live performer (I intend doing both with it) to give some clearer view? I am grateful in advance. ref __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ce at christeck.de Sat Mar 11 02:52:23 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Mar 11 02:52:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <441201C3.5060500@gmx.net> References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> <200603101849.46300.ce@christeck.de> <441201C3.5060500@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200603110852.24607.ce@christeck.de> > I only have very limited programming skills, but I have a V-Amp Pro, > and would be very interested in writing this sort of utility. > > Would the SYSEX stuff for the V-Amp 2 be similar to the V-Amp Pro, I > wonder? no clue, but I guess it is. Can the Pro load sysex files of the 2? > If so, I would be very interested in learning what you have > found out! First, Behringer put more sysex doc into the manuals, thanks to them not making it a secrect. Second, the complete device memory (=125 patches) are dumped as one huge chunk. Third, one patch is about 58 bytes and I know of almost every byte what it does :) . I also have designed a GUI to program the V-Amp in Qt designer, but I have to search my archives for it if it is of interest. Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Sat Mar 11 03:07:25 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Mar 11 03:07:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mac? Linux PC? In-Reply-To: <20060311074301.6588.qmail@web52314.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060311074301.6588.qmail@web52314.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200603110907.25627.ce@christeck.de> > Please, have anyone experienced both macOS and a linux > PC as a composer and/or a live performer (I intend > doing both with it) to give some clearer view? no, but maybe a Mac book Pro with dual boot (if it is possible) gave the opportunity to have both worlds in one machine? Best regards ce From capocasa at gmx.net Sat Mar 11 03:23:10 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sat Mar 11 03:23:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Mac? Linux PC? In-Reply-To: <20060311074301.6588.qmail@web52314.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060311074301.6588.qmail@web52314.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Renato! Sure :) I say if you wanna do loop-based composing, go for either Mac OS X or Windows and use some proprietary software. I don't do that myself so I cannot really recommend anything but I hear that Ableton Live and FruityLoops are quite good (automatic time/pitch adjustment for loops, etc.) Linux's real strength is softsynths. Linux softsynths (ZynAddSubFX, Om, PureData) are absolutely amazing. Not to mention you can play them live! I tend to have a simplicity-based philosophy and have recently dropped the jaws of a few of my loop-based friends with the type of sounds I can synth, even though I am using two one-megabyte programs and don't filter the results. I tend to think that all that extra jazz that Mac and Windows have got are mainly used to compensate for their complexity and the end result can be similar but will always be more 'mudded' with proprietary tools, simply because there is a complexity-based philosophy. For example, my friend has a Win plugin that has measured, as audio files, the reverb characteristics of all major concert halls of the world. It's a three-hundred megabyte monster that takes ages to install and costs a fortune (Okay the dude Kazaas the stuff but that's probably also the only reason he can afford to even think about stuff like this). So you have a lot of ooos and aahs there when you hear all those fancy concert-hall names, but I would doubt that the end result will be worth much. It's NOT a concert hall, it's a friggin' simulation... And even if, WTF do you give a damn if Schubert and Schubinskiy played there? They're the past, the future is now. If you will excuse the mini-Rant :) So it's really a matter of what you want... If you don't mind doing a little technical work and end up with a fully-customized, extremely simple and effective powerhouse you can also use to play live (note/typesetting software is available but I haven't tried it... I don't write notes :)... Go for linux. For recording I say linux is just as good and all the 'extras' you get for Windows go into the category I mentioned above... Trying to stroke your ego, charge a lot, no real benefit for your LISTENERS. If you want things to be more streamlined at the price of flexiblity, a Mac or Windows box will be fine. You do however have to deal with a hoard of flatterers, combat spyware/malware/viruses/security glitches, deal with Mac/Win company politics (if they don't want you to have a certain effect because their friends in Hollywood are profiling themselves with it, you WILL NOT have it), bloat and pressurized (=error-prone, humorless) programming. Well, to me the choice is obvious, but I am a tad cyberpunkish! In case you haven't heard enough after this long-ass post, please do ask away. Carlo From fbar at footils.org Sat Mar 11 03:26:18 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Mar 11 03:26:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] usb soundcard not working in 2.6.15 In-Reply-To: <44120561.2030102@gmail.com> References: <44120561.2030102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060311082618.GA6387@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Atte Andr? Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > I cannot make my edirol ua-1a sound under 2.6.15. There's was a bug in 2.6.15 regarding USB audio. Which version are you running? It should be fixed in the latest revision of 2.6.15. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From dana at ubuntustudio.com Sat Mar 11 03:42:56 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Sat Mar 11 03:43:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Mac? Linux PC? In-Reply-To: References: <20060311074301.6588.qmail@web52314.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1b6a07c30603110042p53b06289haeabc455f9a631c7@mail.gmail.com> On 3/11/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Hi Renato! Sure :) > > I say if you wanna do loop-based composing, go for either Mac OS X or > Windows and use some proprietary software. I don't do that myself so I > cannot really recommend anything but I hear that Ableton Live and > FruityLoops are quite good (automatic time/pitch adjustment for loops, etc.) For looping, seq24 is a good sequencer, and LMMS is kinda all-in-one it seems, and is supposed to be similar to Fruity Loops, although is quite new, but progressing nicely. Dana From fbar at footils.org Sat Mar 11 03:45:41 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Mar 11 03:45:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mac? Linux PC? In-Reply-To: <20060311074301.6588.qmail@web52314.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060311074301.6588.qmail@web52314.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060311084541.GB6387@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Renato Fabbri hat gesagt: // Renato Fabbri wrote: > There is a big budget heading my way and it is clear > that buying a new lapop will be nice. But I am kind of > confused about the choices. Mac or a Linux PC? I can > spent anything like ten thousand dollars on this. > I am a composer, mainly of concert music. IMO Macs are overprized. The range of software actually isn't that big, and with the coming of the new Intel-Macs, a lot of software isn't even there yet. I don't know enough about your working style, but if you haven't used a Mac before, I see no reason to start with that now. With Common Music, Lilypond, Pd, Csound, Supercollider, every programming languange you want, and with the ability, to run the occasional foreign software through Wine, Linux is a very good platform for Composers IMO. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From epprecht at solnet.ch Sat Mar 11 03:53:04 2006 From: epprecht at solnet.ch (Robert Epprecht) Date: Sat Mar 11 04:00:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <200603110852.24607.ce@christeck.de> (Christoph Eckert's message of "Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:52:23 +0100") References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> <200603101849.46300.ce@christeck.de> <441201C3.5060500@gmx.net> <200603110852.24607.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <86k6b1pdlb.fsf@solnet.ch> Christoph Eckert writes: [Behringer V-Amp Pro and V-Amp 2] > Third, one patch is about 58 bytes and I know of almost every byte what > it does :) . I would be interested in that knowledge. > I also have designed a GUI to program the V-Amp in Qt designer, but I > have to search my archives for it if it is of interest. It is ;-) BTW: JSynthLib seems to support the V-Amp 2 Robert Epprecht From wsynth at gjcp.net Sat Mar 11 04:13:30 2006 From: wsynth at gjcp.net (Gordonjcp) Date: Sat Mar 11 04:17:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hardware samplers In-Reply-To: References: <20060309171946.GB1264@spma33> <20060310095233.GC2516@spma33> <44114E7B.40208@poeticstudios.com> <200603101913.32614.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <4411CA7D.1090507@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <441294BA.2090402@gjcp.net> Josh Lawrence wrote: > On 3/10/06, Cesare Marilungo wrote: >>> But, how can I create my own Gigasamples, or what else are they called? Is >>> there only Windows software? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Carotinho > > MHO: There's no point in wasting your time. There is a vast > commercial market of fine samples out there to be had, and I don't see See, that is *exactly* what is wrong with the Windows world of music. Some of us remember the Bad Old Days of the mid-80s, when every second track you heard on the radio entirely consisted of standard Linn drum samples and factory DX7 patches. I don't know about anyone else, but I almost never use factory samples, with the notable exception of the strings and piano samples for my Ensoniq Mirage. Everything else is created from scratch. Well, maybe I nick the odd breakbeat, but even at that I'd prefer to sample it myself so that any treatments fit correctly around the track I'm working on. Gordon. From wsynth at gjcp.net Sat Mar 11 04:20:30 2006 From: wsynth at gjcp.net (Gordonjcp) Date: Sat Mar 11 04:24:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Hardware samplers In-Reply-To: References: <20060309171946.GB1264@spma33> <20060310095233.GC2516@spma33> Message-ID: <4412965E.5080701@gjcp.net> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > MHO is... Hardware sample exchange=Proprietary Shmockware. errr, wtf? Why is that then? Both SDS and SMDI are well-documented and common. It's a piece of piss to write an SDS transfer program, and would be even easier if ALSA had a slightly less horrible API for handling sysex (that said, it's the best of a bad bunch). Incidentally, I've written a .wav to .syx converter to turn a sample into a sysex file that you can just fire into the venerable Ensoniq Mirage sampler. Great for crunchy gritty drums, especially with the analogue filters. Gordon. From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Sat Mar 11 04:47:55 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Sat Mar 11 04:48:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Hardware samplers In-Reply-To: <4412965E.5080701@gjcp.net> References: <20060309171946.GB1264@spma33> <20060310095233.GC2516@spma33> <4412965E.5080701@gjcp.net> Message-ID: <20060311204755.6b1bc45f.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Gordonjcp wrote: > Incidentally, I've written a .wav to .syx converter to turn a sample > into a sysex file that you can just fire into the venerable Ensoniq > Mirage sampler. Great for crunchy gritty drums, especially with the > analogue filters. libsndfile reads and writes SDS files as well. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "The beauty of religious mania is that it has the power to explain everything. Once God (or Satan) is accepted as the first cause of everything which happens in the mortal world, nothing is left to chance...logic can be happily tossed out the window." - Stephen King From ce at christeck.de Sat Mar 11 04:51:33 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat Mar 11 04:51:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <86k6b1pdlb.fsf@solnet.ch> References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> <200603110852.24607.ce@christeck.de> <86k6b1pdlb.fsf@solnet.ch> Message-ID: <200603111051.33698.ce@christeck.de> > > Third, one patch is about 58 bytes and I know of almost every byte > > what it does :) . > > I would be interested in that knowledge. http://www.christeck.de/files/BehringerPatchesSysexFormat.tar.gz http://www.christeck.de/files/PatchSysex.tar.gz This is no documentation, these are simply notes of a research I did some time before. > > I also have designed a GUI to program the V-Amp in Qt designer, but > > I have to search my archives for it if it is of interest. > > It is ;-) http://www.christeck.de/files/V-Amp2.ui.tar.gz > BTW: JSynthLib seems to support the V-Amp 2 I didn't get CVS compiling due to some heavy breaks in the CVS. but true, there's a driver in the CVS to support the V-Amp2. Furthermore I'd be glad if (with the help of someone else) I did manage to create a "stub" application using Qt4 and RtMidi as a base for various SysEx tools I'd like to write. Best regards ce From wsynth at gjcp.net Sat Mar 11 05:43:45 2006 From: wsynth at gjcp.net (Gordonjcp) Date: Sat Mar 11 05:47:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Hardware samplers In-Reply-To: <20060311204755.6b1bc45f.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <20060309171946.GB1264@spma33> <20060310095233.GC2516@spma33> <4412965E.5080701@gjcp.net> <20060311204755.6b1bc45f.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <4412A9E1.7070105@gjcp.net> Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > Gordonjcp wrote: > >> Incidentally, I've written a .wav to .syx converter to turn a sample >> into a sysex file that you can just fire into the venerable Ensoniq >> Mirage sampler. Great for crunchy gritty drums, especially with the >> analogue filters. > > libsndfile reads and writes SDS files as well. I'm using libsndfile to read the audio files. The main reason I'm using .wav at the moment is that I know exactly how many samples long the sound is when I edit in Audacity (or whatever). The Mirage can only accept a maximum of 64kB per dump (one half of the memory - yes, 128kB x 8 bit sampling). Gordon. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Mar 11 05:59:27 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Mar 11 05:59:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] usb soundcard not working in 2.6.15 In-Reply-To: <20060311082618.GA6387@fliwatut.scifi> References: <44120561.2030102@gmail.com> <20060311082618.GA6387@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <4412AD8F.4050903@gmail.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > There's was a bug in 2.6.15 regarding USB audio. Which version are you > running? It should be fixed in the latest revision of 2.6.15. Ah, that sounds promissing. I was using 2.6.15 but it seems the latest is 2.6.15.6. I'm downloading it from kernel.org as I speak, will patch/compile/test/get back asap. Thanks! -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk From klaus.kosten at gmx.de Sat Mar 11 06:11:21 2006 From: klaus.kosten at gmx.de (Klaus Kosten) Date: Sat Mar 11 06:07:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Line6 POD util? WAS: Anybody compiled Free V-Amp? In-Reply-To: <441201C3.5060500@gmx.net> References: <1b6a07c30603092111t6b2c36cco801416b151fea26e@mail.gmail.com> <44113E41.9050608@cubic.org>